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A
Without
to
chase
I'm
going
to
be
stepping
in
forgive
me
as
I
Stumble
through
it
we'll
be
calling
this
meeting
to
order.
It's
the
work
session
for
the
public
works.
Commission
I
think
we'll
be
starting
with
the
roll
call
Haley
cross
here,
Abigail
Morgan
here
sorry
I,
said
I've
been
I
was
doing
it
wrong.
Commissioner
Crowley
here,
commissioner
Gravette
foreign.
C
Chair
commission
members
good
afternoon,
thank
you
very
much.
My
name
is
Colin
Hickman
I
am
the
senior
manager
for
business
strategy
with
the
public
works
department
and
Steve
had
Family
Matters
to
attend
to
so
he
just
asked
for
me
to
step
in
with
you
all
this
afternoon.
It's
a
really
exciting
topic.
I'm
I'm
really
excited
for
the
group
to
be
able
to
share
with
you
all
the
the
outcomes
from
this
geothermal
design
Sprint
more
globally,
but
before
I,
introduce
Kyle
I
just
wanted
to
share
the
importance
of
that.
C
We
place
on
Innovation
at
the
city
and
in
public
works,
and
it's
going
to
become
more
and
more
important.
As
we
see
the
the
challenges
and
the
opportunities
that
our
work
present
to
us,
the
the
way
that
we
incorporate
innovation
in
a
functional
way,
along
with
all
the
other
ways
that
we
make
decisions
and
in
the
city,
will
continue
to
grow
and
be
a
bigger
part
of
what
we
do
and
how
we
bring
the
community
into
a
decision-making
processes
at
the
city.
D
Could
you
please
pull
up
the
presentation
on
the
screen
there?
We
go
Madam
chair,
Commissioners,
great,
to
meet
you
all,
thanks
for
having
me
today,
as
Colin
mentioned
I'm,
going
to
talk
about
some
of
the
work
we've
done
around
geothermal
Innovation,
and
this
was
really
an
effort
that
included
11
City
staff
from
six
different
departments.
And
these
are
it's
a
real
dream
team
of
Staff.
D
As
Colin
mentioned,
I'm,
the
director
of
innovation,
performance
and
I
know
that
can
sound
kind
of
just
like
two
buzzwords
that
we
threw
together
into
a
job
title.
But
really
it's
a
body
of
work
that
many
many
cities
across
the
country
have
been
doing
for
the
last
10
or
15
years,
and
really
the
idea
behind
it
is
that
we're
facing
really
complex
challenges
as
a
community
I
think
of
things
like
housing,
affordability,
like
climate
change.
These
are
challenges
that
don't
have
a
silver
bullet.
Their
challenge
is
that
nobody
has
solved
right.
D
So
if
we're
going
to
be
successful
on
these
fronts,
we
really
have
to
find
ways
to
innovate,
to
try
new
things
to
experiment,
and
sometimes
that
means
trying
new
things
that
might
fail,
but
but
being
okay
with
that,
and
of
course
we
have
to
try
new
things
in
the
right
way
right.
We
want
to
try
things
in
low-cost
low
risk
ways,
but
we
have
to
experiment.
I
would
argue.
We
also
have
to
build
Pathways
for
great
ideas
to
come
from
anywhere
in
the
community
and
be
heard
by
decision
makers.
D
We
have
so
many
smart,
creative
residents.
How
can
we
leverage
that
to
help
make
us
better?
And
lastly,
we
have
to
get
much
better
at
leveraging
data
to
get
better
as
an
organization
to
measure
our
performance
right
to
inform
decision
making
and
to
really
improve
and
just
to
speak,
a
little
bit
more
about
Innovation.
D
There's
three
broad
approaches
that
we
use
in
the
city
around
Innovation,
the
first
one
is
called
human
centered
design,
and
this
is
the
approach
we
use
around
the
geothermal
system
as
well,
and
this
is
really
about
deeply
engaging
the
public
work
in
co-creating
Solutions.
Together
last
year,
the
city
partnered,
with
Bloomberg
philanthropies
and
Harvard
University
on
a
project
focused
on
housing,
affordability,
Innovation,
similar
approach.
We
had
about
10
City
staff
from
across
departments.
They
worked
for
about
six
months
on
this
engaged.
D
Hundreds
of
residents
came
up
with
hundreds
of
ideas
and
as
a
direct
result
of
that
work,
we
are
now
piloting
two
housing:
affordability,
programs
in
partnership
with
leap
housing,
a
local
non-profit
that
I'm
very
excited
for
and
I
won't
get
into
too
much
detail
about
those
piles,
because
we
don't
have
time
but
I'm
happy
to
answer
questions
about
those.
Another
approach
that
we
use
around
Innovation
is
process
Improvement,
which
is
really
about.
D
How
do
we
sort
of
train
and
Coach
groups
of
Staff
within
the
organization
and
some
really
simple
process,
Improvement
tools
and
methods
and
then
Empower
them
to
make
changes
in
their
day-to-day
work?
That
will
increase
efficiency
or
improve
the
resident
experience
and
little
things
right
things
within
their
control,
things
that
cost
very
little.
Maybe
one
at
a
time
might
not
make
a
big
impact,
but
in
the
aggregate,
if
we're
doing
a
lot
of
this
work
can
be
really
impactful.
D
The
city
of
Denver
was
the
first
to
do
this
like
10
years
ago
and
over
the
last
10
years.
Their
program
has
saved
the
city
of
Denver,
I,
think
50
million
dollars
so
really
really
impactful
one
example:
last
year,
I
worked
with
the
utility
billing
division
in
public
works,
which
is
the
division
that
does
billing
for
like
trash
and
water
renewal.
Services-
and
you
know,
if
you
move
from
one
home
to
another,
you
have
to
call
in
Utility
Billing,
it's
a
15-minute
phone
call
to
change.
D
D
So
that's
enough
about
me
and
my
body
of
work
today
we're
going
to
be
really
focused
on
the
geothermal
system
and
this
project
tried
to
answer
the
question:
how
might
we
expand
the
use
of
our
geothermal
resource
so
in
a
moment,
I'll
pass
it
to
John
who's,
going
to
share
a
little
bit
about
our
geothermal
utility,
what
it
is
how
it
works.
D
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
why
we're
trying
to
answer
this
question.
Why
that
answer?
The
answer
to
that
question
is
so
important.
We'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
process,
our
findings
and
recommendations,
and
what
comes
next
all
right,
John.
E
Okay,
thanks
Kyle
good
afternoon,
my
name
is
John
gennerson
I'm,
an
engineer
in
public
works,
I've
been
over
saying
our
geothermal
program
for
about
10
years,
so
I
want
to
first
start
with
thanking
the
commission.
Many
members
of
you
have
worked
very
closely
with
on
different
different
strategies
and
different
program
processes
and
programs,
with
our
geothermal
system.
E
E
E
So,
first
off
as
a
reminder,
Boise
has
a
very
rich
history
in
geothermal
use
here
in
Boise,
I
mean
this
goes
all
the
way
back
to
Native
Americans,
using
Hot
Springs
here
in
Boise
for
wintering
and
bathing,
and
you
know
kind
of
a
place
of
ceremony.
E
E
If
we
continue
to
fast
forward
a
little
bit
further,
this
water
began
to
to
be
captured
and
was
piped
to
houses
along
Warm
Springs
Avenue.
This.
In
turn,
this
in
turn
developed,
what's
known
as
the
Boise
Warm
Springs
Water
District,
which
is
the
world's
first
geothermal
heating
District.
We
had
some
of
the
houses
on
on
Warm
Springs
Avenue
are
noted
as
the
first
houses
to
ever
be
heated
with
geothermal
water.
E
Similarly,
in
West
Boise
there
are
a
few
greenhouses
that
are
noted
to
be
the
world's
first
greenhouses
to
ever
be
heated
with
geothermal.
So
anyway,
long
story
short
there
there's
a
lot
of
history
with
geothermal
here
in
Boise,
and
then
we
fast
forward
a
little
bit
more
to
today
and
geothermal
is
continued
to
be
desired
throughout
our
community
here
downtown.
There
are
four
separate
geothermal
heating
districts
in
operation.
E
The
the
one
we're
gonna
be
talking
about
is
the
city
one,
but
there's
also
this
historic,
Boise,
Warm
Springs,
which
is
still
in
operation
today
there
is
the
state
of
Idaho,
has
their
own
geothermal
heating
District.
We
have
the
only
state
capital
competed
with
geothermal
water,
the
capital
of
the
capital
mall
and
about
11
buildings
over
there
and
then
also
the
VA
campus.
E
Just
north
of
downtown
is
heated
by
geothermal
as
well
I
believe
they
have
22
buildings,
they're
heated
off
a
geothermal
water
as
well,
so
these
systems
started
developing
early
1980s
and
around
the
same
time,
other
uses
of
geothermal
in
the
region
also
started
to
get
a
lot
of
traction,
a
lot
of
recreation,
the
the
temperature
of
this
water.
It
can
just
be
used
for
so
many
different
purposes,
and
so
people
are
understanding
all
the
uses
of
this
geothermal
water
and
trying
to
implement
it
to
offset
other
heating
sources.
E
So
to
give
you
an
understanding
of
where,
where
we're
talking
about
this
is
a
map
of
downtown
Boise
yeah,
you
can
see
the
river
kind
of
flowing
there
towards
the
bottom
of
the
screen.
The
four
districts
that
I
mentioned,
the
green
one
is
the
historic
Boise,
Warm
Springs,
Water
District.
They
start
kind
of
over
by
the
old
penitentiary.
E
Just
below
Table
Rock
still
serve
about
350
homes,
north
and
south
of
Warm,
Springs
Avenue,
there's
a
light
blue
one
kind
of
tucked
in
the
middle
there,
that's
a
state
of
Idaho
system
on
the
top
of
the
page,
there's
a
dark
blue
one
that
is
the
the
VA
system,
and
then
then,
this
pink
system
that
we're
showing
here,
that
is
the
city
of
Boise
system.
E
You
can
see
we
have
three
production
Wells
at
the
top
end
they're
up
in
military
Reserve,
so
we
have
three
production
Wells
that
pose
this
natural
177
degree
water
out
of
the
ground.
We
pipe
it
two
buildings
who
then
take
heat
off
of
it,
and
then
we
collect
that
water
again
through
a
second
set
of
pipes,
and
we
take
it
to
our
single
injection
well,
which
is
located
in
Julie
Davis
Park.
E
As
of
today,
we
are
serving
just
shy
of
100
buildings.
These
are
100
of
the
biggest
buildings
here:
downtown
commercial
buildings,
institutional
governmental,
residential,
all
different
shapes
and
sizes
of
buildings.
If
I
go
back
to
the
map
actually
about
seven
years
ago,
we
also
extended
across
the
Boise
River,
we
went
to
Boise
State
University
I'm,
now
serving
11
buildings
on
Boise
State
campus,
and
that
is
a
number
that's
growing
quickly
as
well.
Boise
state
has
very
similar
roles
as
we
do
and
they
want
to
grow
geothermales
there.
E
Our
water
is
primarily
used
for
heating
buildings,
so,
for
example,
City
Hall
here
is
also
heated
by
geothermal.
So
the
air
that
comes
out
of
the
vents
here
is
heated
by
our
geothermal
water,
about
a
third
of
our
buildings
that
are
connected
so
about
30.
Buildings
are
also
heating,
all
of
their
domestic
water,
so
their
showers,
their
faucets.
It's
not
geothermal
water,
that
you're
touching,
but
it's
heated
by
geothermal
water
and
then
there's
a
handful
of
other
miscellaneous
uses.
E
Our
downtown
YMCA,
their
pools
are
heated
by
geothermal
they're
showers,
they're
hot
tubs,
they're
building
the
the
St
Luke's
Rehab
Hospital.
They
have
therapy
pools
that
are
heated
by
it.
A
couple
of
the
hotels
downtown
heat
all
their
laundry
facilities,
but
by
it
there's
about
a
half
dozen,
a
sidewalk
snowmelt
systems
that
are
they're,
utilizing,
geothermal,
just
just
a
variety
of
different
uses,
but
the
primary
use
is
building
heat
here
in
the
winter
months,
okay,
so
so
why?
Why
are
we
proud
of
it?
Why
do
buildings
use
it?
E
There,
there's
there's
a
handful
of
different
reasons:
there.
There
is
potential
economic
savings
to
buildings
of
using
this
over
other
heating
sources.
There's,
of
course,
all
the
environmental
benefits
of
using
geothermal
versus
versus
fossil
fuels
for
building
heat.
E
It's
it's
a
local
energy.
It's
sourced
right
here.
This
energy
doesn't
have
to
be
shipped
from
other
states
or
other
countries.
It's
sustainable!
It's
clean,
meaning,
you
know,
there's
absolutely
zero
greenhouse
gas
emissions
coming
off
this
geothermal
yeah,
and
so
with
this
I
guess
not
getting
too
too
far
into
the
weeds.
We
have
secured
our
water
rights
for
this
water.
We've
actually
received
additional
water
rights
for
this
water
to
use
this
water,
so
we
have
ample
ability
to
produce
more
of
this
water.
E
But
but
as
I
say
this,
we
also
realized
that
we
had
to
take
a
big
step
back
and
Define
and
build
this
utility
plan
and
we're
putting
a
utility
plan
together
to
basically
provide
guidance,
guidance
and
Direction
of
where
we
want
to
take
this
utility
into
the
future,
and
so
so
we're
developing
this
utility
again.
E
Actually
we
we're
done
with
it
now,
but
right
on
the
cus
right
on
the
tail
end
of
finishing
this
utility
plan,
we
were
approached
with
this
design,
Sprint
process
and-
and
we
thought
this
would
be
a
great
tool
to
implement
into
our
utility
plan
and
to
further
look
at
different,
innovative
ways
to
use
this
water.
So
are
you
totally
planned,
is
kind
of
broken
up
into
three
three
critical
areas
on
the
bottom
kind
of
considering
in
the
foundation
of
our
utility
plan
is
looking
at
our
existing
customers.
E
How
we
operate,
how
we
set
our
rates,
just
kind
of
what
we
currently
have
and
and
how
to
how
to
make
it
sustainable.
Better
process
Improvement
whatnot
and
then
once
we
have
a
solid
foundation,
then
we
start
looking
at
growth
and
expansion
in
the
system
in
innovation
of
the
system
and
you'll
hear
in
a
second.
The
growth
and
Innovation
are
very
closely
related
to
one
another,
especially
with
such
a
unique
utility.
E
So
so
we
then
went
into
this
design
Sprint
process.
Our
team
will
be
presenting
some
of
the
recommendations
that
we
found
in
it.
We've
now
taken
those
recommendations:
we've
Incorporated
them
back
into
this
utility
plan
for
a
pathway
leading
forward.
E
So
with
that
I
I
can
stand
for
any
questions.
If
you
they
have
a
better
geothermal
program,
if
not
I
will
hand
it
back
to
Kyle.
B
Madam,
chair
Mr
Gunderson:
this
is
Robin
Lockett.
Can
you
hear
me
yes,.
E
A
B
Ahead,
I
have
a
question
please
if
it's
a
good
time
yeah
please
go
ahead.
Thank
you,
I'm
wondering
how
much
additional
capacity
approximately
you
have
I
mean.
Can
you
double
your
output?
Can
you
triple
it
or
are
you
not
sure
yet
does
it
depend
on
the
use
and
what
you
decide
to
do
with
with
this
plan
and
with
your
exploration.
E
Madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
thank
you
for
the
question
so
so
growth.
We
we've
got
a
couple
of
different
areas
that
we
can
Target
looking
at
the
growth
from
just
simply
a
water
rights
perspective
we're
using
about
two-thirds
of
our
allocated
water.
So
so
we
can
grow
this
system
by
about
another
third
of
what
we're
currently
doing.
E
That's
with
our
current
water
rate,
we
have
been
we've
taken
steps
in
management
to
make
sure
that
this
resource
is
sustainable
for
the
Future
Part
of
our
re-injection
program,
and
so
we're
also
getting
the
indication
that
we'll
be
able
to
apply
and
receive
additional
water
rates
in
the
future.
So
I
say
we
only
have
a
third.
We
can
grow
our
system
by
about
a
third
now,
but
there
is
that
potential
that
we'll
be
able
to
grow
a
lot
more,
but
we
don't
have
those
water
rates
today.
E
So
until
we
get
there
kind
of
to
be
determined,
there's
also
the
efficiency
side
of
it
right
now.
Buildings
are
served
this
water
as
utility
and
they
pull
the
heat
off
of
it.
E
We
have
learned
working
with
with
many
buildings
and
Engineers
around
the
valley
that
this
water
could
be
used
in
some
of
these
buildings.
Much
much
more
efficiently,
basically,
pull
more
heat
out
of
every
single
gallon
of
water,
and
by
doing
so,
as
these
buildings
become
more
efficient,
they
use
less
of
it,
which
frees
up
more
of
it
for
more
growth.
So
so
we
have
a
couple
Tools
in
our
toolbox
to
continue
to
look
for
for
additional
growth.
D
Thanks
John,
so
let's
talk
a
little
bit
about
why
we
want
to
expand
geothermal
and
I.
Think
the
key
answer
here
is
that
I
think.
As
you
all
know,
the
city
has
a
goal
for
the
community
to
become
carbon
neutral
by
the
year
2050,
which
is
a
really
exciting,
bold,
ambitious
goal
for
the
city,
and
we
have
a
climate
action
plan
that
charts
the
path
to
achieving
that
goal.
D
But
one
of
the
interesting
chapters
of
that
climate
action
plan
is
titled
Innovation
right
because
there's
an
understanding
that,
while
we
know
a
lot
of
what
we
need
to
do
to
achieve
this
goal,
we
don't
know
everything
that
we
have
to
try
some
new
things.
At
the
same
time,
John
just
spoke
really
eloquently
about
our
geothermal
utility,
which
is
totally
carbon
free
right.
D
We
spoke
with
lots
and
lots
of
residents
through
this
process
and
I'll
share
some
more
about
that
later,
but
I
just
want
to
share
a
few
quotes
that
I
think
are
really
emblematic
of
what
we
heard
from
folks
and
I'll.
Just
read
them
really
quickly.
D
Here
we
are
very
fortunate
to
have
this
resource
in
our
city
and
we
need
to
protect
it,
and
that
was
from
a
geothermal
user
and
it's
something
that
Boise
has
that
no
other
city
has-
and
we
heard
a
lot
from
folks
that
there's
a
really
sort
of
a
sense
of
community
pride
in
this
resource.
We
have
the
sort
of
interest
and
desire
to
really
use
this
in
a
way
that
helps
everybody
and
I
love.
This
quote
too:
if
the
general
public
heard
about
it,
they
would
be
amazed
holy
crap.
D
We
have
the
biggest
system
in
the
country,
and
that
was
from
an
engineer
who
works
with
this,
and
that
was.
This
was
definitely
true
right.
When
we
talk
to
folks
in
the
community
who
are
aware
of
the
geothermal
system,
they
were
really
excited
about
it.
They
saw
it
as
being
a
kind
of
iconic
Boise
thing
sort
of
like
our
Foothill,
something
that
makes
Boise
special
and
we
talked
with
folks
who
had
no
idea
about
the
system
which
there
are
a
lot
of
once
they
learned
about
it.
They
got
really
excited
about
it
all
right.
D
So,
let's
talk
about
the
process
that
we
use
this
sort
of
human-centered
design
process.
You
can
also
call
it
design
based
Innovation
this
table
sort
of
goes
over
a
contrast
between
the
way
government
has
historically
worked,
not
necessarily
the
city
of
Boise,
but
government
broadly
and
The
design-based
Innovation
process,
and
forgive
me
I'm,
going
to
read
some
of
these.
So
the
way
we
often
work.
The
way
government
has
historically
worked.
D
Our
residents
talk
a
right
to
us
and
typically
in
a
formal
context,
like
a
setting
like
this
right
in
City
Hall,
we
take
a
long
time
to
make
something,
because
we
wait
until
it's
perfect
before
we
share
with
the
public,
because
we
don't
want
to
mess
it
up
right.
We
really
care
about
that.
We
typically
try
and
find
a
single
best
solution
to
implement
and
we
work
really
closely
with
experts
to
decide
what
that
solution
is,
but
we
start
with
Solutions
right.
What
are
we
going
to
do
to
solve
this
problem?
D
In
contrast,
the
process
that
we're
using
is
really
about
trying
to
proactively
engage
constituents
from
the
beginning
before
we
get
to
Solutions
and
and
interact
with
them
in
their
context,
don't
make
them
come
to
City
Hall,
but
go
to
them
and
talk
to
them
in
their
context.
We,
rather
than
waiting
until
something's
perfect.
We
intentionally
try
to
make
things
quickly
and
test
them
quickly,
so
we
can
learn
from
that
and
we
create
tests
and
Implement
multiple
Solutions
right
when
it's
a
complex
challenge.
D
There
isn't
one
solution,
so
we
need
a
portfolio
of
solutions
from
practical
to
bold
Solutions.
We
intentionally
work
across
disciplines
because
that's
where,
when
we
get
the
best
ideas-
and
we
have
diverse
perspectives
at
the
table
and
then
we
start
with
questions
right,
we
don't
try
and
go
to
Solutions.
First,
we
really
want
to
understand
the
problem
from
the
perspective
of
our
users.
D
A
I
don't
mind
going
first
on
that
I've
had
quite
a
bit
of
experience,
working
with
public
sector,
specifically
in
construction
and
development
and
the
red
tape
and
the
time
that
it
takes
to
get
anything
done.
Yeah.
F
A
G
D
Thanks,
commissioner,
and
we
did
really
intentionally
try
to
assemble
a
team
of
City
staff
who
weren't
geothermal
experts
all
across
the
city.
Folks
who
knew
nothing
about
that
didn't
know
the
geothermal
system
existed
and
I'm
sure
it
was
pretty
uncomfortable
for
a
bunch
of
people
to
be
up
in
John's
business,
telling
him
what
he
should
do
as
a
professional,
but
John
was
amazing
throughout
and
I
really
appreciated
that
two
quick
things
I
wanted
to
add
on
this
table.
D
One
is
I,
don't
want
to
present
this
as
a
sort
of
value
judgment
where
the
right
side
is
good
and
the
left
side
is
bad
because
there's
lots
of
places
where
we
really
want
to
do
work
on
the
left
side
of
the
stable
right
like
this
is
why
we
have
subject
matter.
Experts
in
government-
and
sometimes
we
just
want
to
go
to
them.
Second-
is
I,
don't
want
to
make
it
sound
like
this
project
or
I,
have
some
sort
of
Monopoly
on
this
body
of
work
on
the
right
side,
either.
There's
lots
of
places.
D
I
know
the
city
has
for
many
years
worked
on
the
right
side
of
this
chart.
I.
Think
of
sort
of
the
water
renewal
planning
that's
been
done
where
I
think
Public
Works
really
actively
went
out
to
the
community
before
they
had
Solutions,
which
was
great
I.
Think
of
the
work
our
community
engagement
department
does
on
a
daily
basis
and
they
operate
on
the
right
side
of
this
table
quite
a
bit,
but
I
think
what's
really
key
about
this
table.
D
D
So
the
group
spent
a
lot
of
time
looking
at
the
data
around
geothermal,
researching
it,
but
also
did
at
least
a
couple
dozen
interviews
with
folks
in
our
community,
so
building
owners
developers,
building
managers,
maintenance,
people,
users
of
the
system,
folks,
who
could
be
potentially
users
of
the
system,
geothermal
systems
and
other
places
to
really
try
and
understand
sort
of
the
challenges
and
opportunities
around
our
geothermal
system.
D
From
the
perspective
of
our
users,
the
perspective
of
the
people
who
use
it
every
day
that
was
sort
of
phase
one
right
and
then
phase
two
is
really
around
ideation.
And
so
we
held
a
couple
of
co-creation
sessions
where
we
invited
residents
of
All
Sorts
scientists
developers
all
these
folks
together
to
sit
in
a
room
together
with
City
staff
and
come
up
with
as
many
ideas
as
we
can
about
ways
that
we
could
expand
the
system.
And
you
can
see
there.
D
D
And
so
it
was,
it
was
a
really
fun
process
there
and
the
group
did
really
a
tremendous
amount
of
work
here.
You've
probably
heard
me
talk
a
lot
about
the
number
of
ideas
we
created.
I.
Think
it's
a
a
normal
reaction
to
think.
Well,
like
I,
don't
care
how
many
ideas
you
have.
Are
they
good
or
not,
but
there's
a
real
reason?
Why,
when
we're
ideating,
when
we're
coming
up
with
Solutions,
we
want
to
get
quantity
over
quality.
We
want
as
many
ideas
as
we
can
I
think.
D
This
is
a
great
story
to
demonstrate
that
so
there's
an
organization
in
Canada,
that's
essentially
like
the
Bureau
of
Land
Management,
equivalent
oversee
a
lot
of
public
land,
very
isolated
land,
very
harsh
Winters,
and
they
were
having
a
problem
with
their
power
lines.
Power
would
go
out
because
it
was
so
cold
ice
would
collect
on
the
power
lines
and
it
would
go
down
so
they're
trying
to
think
through.
Well.
How
do
we
solve
this
problem?
They
got
in
a
room
together,
they
were
talking
about
it,
and
somebody
came
up
with
the
idea.
D
We
have
an
abundance
of
bears.
What
if
we
could
get
the
Bears
to
shake
the
power
lines
they
Shake
the
I
saw
problem
solved.
Of
course
everybody
laughed
right,
that's
kind
of
a
silly
solution
that
per
that
person
could
have
censored
themselves
and
not
said
that,
because
it
sounded
silly.
The
group
said
could
have
said
now.
Let's
move
on
to
the
next
thing,
but
they
kind
of
went
with
it
and
they
said
all
right.
D
If
we're,
if
we're
going
to
get
Bears
to
do
this,
how
would
we
convince
them
to
shake
the
power
lines
for
us?
They
thought
about
it,
they
thought
well,
we
could
put
honey
pots
on
the
top
of
the
power
lines,
because
if
there
are
honey
pots
there,
the
Bears
will
come
they'll,
try
and
get
them
and
they'll
shake
the
power
lines.
It'll
fall
off,
it'll
be
great,
again,
more
laughter,
another
kind
of
silly
idea,
and
so,
but
they
kept
going,
they
said.
D
Well,
how
would
we
get
the
honey
pots,
the
top
of
these
power
poles,
and
so
they
thought
about
that?
Well,
we
do
have
a
bunch
of
helicopters
to
do
maintenance
and
other
stuff.
What
if
we
flew
in
Honey
pots
with
helicopters,
dropped
on
the
top
of
these
poles
and
the
Bears
would
come
again
we're
laughter
and
then
somebody
just
had
like
a
light
flash
in
their
mind
like
oh,
we
have
these
helicopters.
Why
don't?
We
just
fly
the
helicopters
over
these
power
lines.
D
It
will
get
the
ice
off
of
the
power
lines
and
problem
solved
and
to
this
day
this
is
the
solution.
They've
used
right
and
they
would
have
never
gotten
to
that
real,
really
great
solution
if
they
hadn't
created
a
space
where
they
could
come
up
with
a
bunch
of
ideas,
many
of
which
weren't
ever
going
to
work
but
sort
of
build
on
those
ideas
and
that's
sort
of
the
environment.
D
We
want
to
create,
with
this
work,
all
right,
I'm,
going
to
really
quickly
share
some
of
the
insights
we
learned
through
this
process,
but
you've
heard
me
talk
a
lot
and
I
want
to
get
to
other
other
team
members
to
share
the
recommendations,
so
I'm
going
to
try
and
go
through
these
really
quickly.
One
of
the
things
that
we
learned
through
all
of
our
conversations
and
research
is
is
John
and
the
Boise
system
are
really
highly
respected.
When
we
talk
to
users
of
the
system,
they
were
all
really
impressed
with
John.
D
He
was
their
go-to
guy.
If
they
had
questions
they
went
to
him,
they
were
really
impressed
with
his
customer
service.
When
we
talked
to
systems
in
other
states
and
cities,
they
thought
highly
of
the
Boise
system,
they're
the
ones
that
you
know.
Everybody
calls
Boise
if
they
have
questions
about
how
to
do
something
around
geothermal.
So
it's
pretty
clear
that
that
John
is
kind
of
a
big
deal
in
this
area.
D
D
There
are
some
real
barriers
to
connecting
to
the
geothermal
system,
though
one
is
the
cost
of
switching.
You
know
if
you
want
to
start
using
geothermal,
you
have
to
change
equipment
in
your
building
and
that
can
be
significant
cost.
You
may
have
to
connect
to
the
system
and
that
can
be
a
significant
cost.
D
So
that's
one
of
the
barriers
would
we
need
to
overcome
with
expanding,
also
there's
a
sort
of
perception
that
the
system
may
not
be
reliable
and
looking
at
the
data
that
the
system
is
quite
reliable,
but
we
think
what's
going
on
here,
is
in
part
that
anytime
there's
a
leak
in
the
system.
It's
very
visible
right,
like
there's
like
a
guy,
a
steaming
geyser
shooting
up
out
of
a
Street
downtown,
and
so
it's
hard
to
escape
that,
and
so,
amongst
some
sort
of
building
owners
and
building
managers
are
sort
of
perception
like.
D
Oh,
it's
going
to
go
down
all
the
time.
So
that's
something
we
have
to
work
through
a
real
lack
of
awareness,
there's
so
many
folks
who
don't
even
know
that
Boise
has
the
steel
thermal
utility
I,
remember
even
talking
to
somebody
who
worked
at
a
business
in
a
building
that
uses
geothermal
and
they
didn't
even
know
it
existed
right.
And
so,
of
course
we
can't
expand
the
system.
If
people
don't
know
it
exists,
a
lack
of
expertise
in
some
cases,
because
this
is
sort
of
like
a
unique
novel
utility.
D
It
requires
a
different
set
of
expertise
right
and
plenty
of
like
building
managers.
Engineers
are
used
to
working
with
hvacs
things
like
that,
and
this
requires
a
sort
of
different
set
of
expertise.
So
it's
something
we
would
really
need
to
grow
as
a
community
to
to
expand
the
system
and
then
last
but
not
least,
when
we,
when
we
talk
to
a
lot
of
users,
they're
really
motivated
for
two
very
different
reasons.
Sometimes
both
of
these
reasons
to
use
the
system,
one
is
sort
of
a
values
judgment
around
hey
Mike.
D
My
company
really
cares
about
sustainability
about
the
environment.
We're
doing
this
because
it's
the
right
thing
to
do
and
that's
why
we're
doing
this
and
other
folks
really
saw
the
economic
benefits
from
using
it
so
think,
a
hotel
who
can
Market
to
the
potential
customers
that
they're
heated
via
geothermal,
that
could
be
a
big
Edge
for
them,
or
a
building
owner
who's,
trying
to
attract
tenants,
businesses
who
might
be
values
driven
or
might
like
that,
it's
geothermal.
D
So
those
are
just
a
few
of
the
insights
we
had
that
are
the
most
to
remain
to
our
recommendations,
but
with
that
I'm
going
to
pass
it
to
Doug
Reinhardt
to
share
some
of
our
recommendations.
F
C
F
You
want
to
come
down
and
spend
a
day
with
me
and
talk
about
sewer,
pipe
I'm
not
going
to
get
anybody
down
here,
but
when
the
call
was
made
that
hey
John
would
like
to
talk
about
his
geothermal
pipe,
it's
the
same
pipe,
it's
the
same
manufacturers,
everybody
wanted
to
be
a
part
of
it
and
they
were
actually
recommending
people.
That
might
also
want
to
be
a
part
of
it,
and
it
was
just
really
cool
to
be
a
part
of
a
of
a
process
that
involved
that
kind
of
community
engagement.
F
What
am
I
doing
here
there
we
go.
One
of
the
key
recommendations
was
just
to
invest
in
the
geothermal
system.
The
system
started
out
as
a
as
a
pilot,
so
it
was.
Will
this
work
well
over
time?
They've
proven
that
it
has
worked,
and
now
it's
time
to
grow
it
into
a
full
utility.
In
order
to
do
that,
we
have
to
staff
it.
We
have
to
fund
it.
We
have
to
do
Rehabilitation
replacement,
there's
all
kinds
of
things
that
come
with
running
a
utility
and
it
all
requires
money.
F
Some
of
the
recommendations
from
the
group
were
that
we
we
need
to
hire
additional
staff.
We
need
the
funding
needed
to
implement
the
recommendations
that
the
group
put
together.
There's
high
potential
for
a
high
return
of
investment.
You
got
to
spend
money
to
make
money
is
kind
of
the
old
adage
in
our
world.
You.
D
F
Spend
money
just
to
break
even
but
money
needs
to
be
spent.
There's
potential
funding
sources
that
people
recommended
that
we
explore
some
of
them.
We
have
explored.
Some
of
them
were
in
the
process
of,
and
some
of
them
were
going
to.
Some
of
the
ideas
were
to
explore
franchise
fees
like
we
do
in
other
areas
of
the
city,
maybe
explore
general
fund
for
some
more
secure
funding,
maybe,
as
like
a
stop
Gap
or
to
bridge
the
transition
over
to
a
full-blown
utility
work
closely
with
CCDC
was
the
recommendation.
F
We
already
do
that,
but
maybe
there's
more
opportunities
where
we
can
get
more
involved
and
create
a
a
larger
relationship
with
them.
Another
thing
is
recommended
to
look
at
federal
funds.
Well,
of
course,
we're
always
looking
out
for
federal
funds
and,
as
those
become
available
we
apply,
but
if
we
were
to
have
additional
staff
that
could
devote
maybe
some
more
time
to
that
we
could
identify
more
funds.
The
problem
with
some
of
these
is
that
they're
intermittent
right,
like
so
you've
been
the
federal
funds
might
be
available.
F
F
Another
problem
that
was
brought
up
by
the
group-
and
it
was
a
kind
of
a
surprise
to
me
personally,
as
this
group
had
developers,
we
had
Engineers,
we
had
building
owners
and
the
lack
of
awareness
about
our
system,
I'm
sure
they
might
have
heard
about
it.
They
knew
about
it,
but
they
didn't
really
know
the
details
of
it
or
what
it
truly
meant,
and
so
some
of
the
recommendations
that
came
out
of
the
this
group
was
to
create
a
website
with
General
and
Technical
information.
It's
not
that
Engineers,
don't
know
about
geothermal
they.
F
They
know
the
ins
and
outs
of
the
equipment
and
all
of
that,
what
they
weren't
aware
of
is
our
specific
system
and
how
you
know
different
ways
that
water
can
interact
with
the
pipe
so
they
need
they
want
to
know.
You
know
in
a
quick
reference:
what's
the
constituency
of
your
water,
what
what
type
of
pipe
has
been
successful
in
our
area?
How
do
you
prevent
corrosion
in
our
specific
area?
So
they
don't
have
to
spend
a
lot
of
time,
researching
it
and
then
in
turn
charge
their
client
for
that?
F
Another
idea
was
to
put
do
like
monthly
Brown
Bags
education
put
the
operators
of
the
systems
in
touch
with
the
engineers
of
the
system,
so
they
can
all
become
familiar
with
it.
F
They
can
call
their
counterpart
in
the
other
building
and
say:
hey
have
you
ever
experienced
this,
and
that
was
one
of
the
things
that
really
was
appealing
to
a
lot
of
them,
and
especially
in
the
operator
engineer,
world
is
just
that
kind
of
a
content.
F
Another
idea
that
was
thrown
out
was
to
reach
out
to
the
real
estate
community,
so
that
is
their
showing
a
building
or
they're
talking
about
buildings.
They
they
can
say
you
know,
hey,
you
have
geothermal
available
to
you,
and
this
is
why
that's
an
awesome
thing.
You
can
do
this.
You
can
do
that.
It
saves
this
there's
so
much
more
to
it
than
just
saying
it's
available,
because
if
you
don't
know
what
that
means,
okay,
so
it's
available
big
deal.
F
Another
recommendation
was
that
the
first
Contact,
when
someone
calls
in
is
generally
with
PDS
it's
a
great
opportunity
to
to
not
brow,
beat
him
with
the
geothermal.
You
know,
and
all
the
specifics
and
details,
but
to
get
it
in
front
of
them
and
say
oh
you're,
going
to
build
this
well
I,
see
that
you
happen
to
be
by
the
geothermal
pipeline.
This
might
be
something
that
you
want
to.
F
F
So
when
someone's
looking
at
a
plot
of
land
or
something
that's
often,
the
first
call
how
do
I
get
a
permit?
Who
do
I
talk
to
what
do
I
do
and
rules
and
regulations,
and
so
that's
a
great
opportunity
for
someone
just
to
sit
there
on
the
phone
and
go
hey.
Have
you
ever
considered
this
or
you
have
access
to
this?
This
is
a
great
thing
for
you.
F
Another
area
where
we
could
maybe
get
in
front
of
people
is
to
add,
like
a
geothermal
section
under
the
pre-development
forms
that
they
fill
out
just
another
way
to
do
a
little
dig
deeper
like
okay.
Now
you
we've
told
you
through
PDS
that
you
have
geothermal
available.
Let's
get
you
to
dig,
maybe
a
little
bit
deeper
and
do
a
little
bit
of
research
on
it
like
how
many
square
feet
do
you
have?
F
You
know
it
could
be
any
type
of
question
on
there
just
to
make
them
think
a
little
bit
deeper
about
it
before
they
just
dismiss
it
automatically.
We
could
offer
planning
incentive
packages.
Kyle
touched
on
it
that
one
of
the
barriers
to
entry
into
geothermal
is
just
the
cost
of
converting.
If
you
want
to
remodel
your
building
or
something
you
know,
you've
got
to
change
all
your
equipment
out
in
order
to
get
this
stuff
in
a
planning
incentive
package
also
for
new
buildings,
just
just
something
to
encourage
them
to
connect.
F
Some
of
the
ideas
were
kicked
around
as
incentives
were
the
fast
track
permits.
You
know
it
takes
a
long
time
to
get
through
process.
You
spoke
to
the
government
red
tape
right
there's
a
way.
Maybe
we
can
shrink
that
down
if
you're,
using
geothermal,
that
would
be
great,
reduce
parking
requirements.
You.
A
F
Maybe
give
a
little
bit
extra
room
for
them
so
that
they
can,
you
know,
put
in
this
equipment
or
there's
just
a
benefit
to
them:
height
exceptions,
maybe
added
floors.
You
know,
there's
any
number
of
things
that
maybe
we
can
do
that
doesn't
seem
like
it
makes
a
big
difference,
but
we
found
in
the
developer
Community
when
they're
talking
about
it.
It
does
make
a
big
difference
to
them
and
I
think
we
could
put
together
a
pretty
good
package.
F
Another
one
was
launch
of
direct
sales
campaign
right
oftentimes.
We
wait
for
people
to
approach
us.
Well,
maybe
we
need
to
get
out
in
the
community
and
approach
them
a
little
bit
harder
and
we
could
contract
with
external
resources.
To
do
that,
we
could
hire
someone
to
do
that,
but
the
groups
overall
recommendation
and
feeling
was
it
needs
to
be
done.
We
need
to
be
knocking
on
doors.
We
need
to
be
selling
this
and
making
people
aware
of
it.
F
The
first
easy
targets,
I
mean
always
starts
a
little
hanging
fruit
first
right,
so
the
first
ones
would
be
those
that
are
adjacent
to
the
existing
buildings.
You
know.
Do
you
know
that
this
resource
exists?
Do
you
know
it's
10
feet
away
from
you?
Have
you
ever
thought
about
connecting
to
it?
Let
me
help
you,
let's
assess
your
building.
Let's
look
at
your
equipment
that
you
have
right
now.
How
much
do
you
think
it
would
cost
just
kind
of
work
through?
All
of
that,
you
can
provide
a
how-to
guide
for
the
geothermal
system.
F
You
know,
how
do
you
convert
your
buildings
over?
How
do
you
get
the
permitting?
Who
do
you
talk
to
what
Engineers
are
familiar
with
it?
Who
have
we
had
experience
with?
Who
is
who
someone
in
the
community
that
you
could
talk
to?
That
can
kind
of
hold
your
hand
through
this
process,
if
you're
truly
interested
in
it
another
opportunity
that
this
person
or
this
group
could
do
would
be
to
test
Financial
incentives
that
we
come
up
with.
F
You
know
going
back
to
that
last
slide
this.
This
is
a
great
opportunity
to
get
on
the
community
and
say:
would
you
consider
connecting
if
we
were
to
do
this
or
if
we
were
to
do
that.
F
One
of
the
ones
this
one
kind
of
surprised
me
because
nobody
likes
to
be
told
what
to
do,
but
the
group
came
up
with
the
idea
of
why
not
making
it
a
requirement
to
connect
if
you're
next
to
geothermal
to
connect-
and
there
was
a
lot
of
support
for
this
from
the
group
which
was
really
surprising
to
me.
But
then
the
subject
came
up
that
well
a
lot
of
times.
These
buildings
are
pre-packaged.
They're
pre-designed
they've
got
their
heating
air
conditioning
everything,
pre-designed
and
they're.
F
Just
looking
for
a
lot
that
fits
that
building
to
plop
it
on
well
in
those
situations,
maybe
it's
unreasonable
to
say,
hey
redesign!
Your
whole
building
spend
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
just
to
put
in
our
system
that
we
like
so
maybe
on
those
situations.
You
can
do
an
opt-out
fee,
so
they're
still
paying
to
support
the
system.
F
F
Idea
and
one
of
the
last
ones
we
had
people
in
this
group
that
weren't
adjacent
to
the
pipeline
and
some
were
even
up
on
the
bench
and
some
of
the
comments
made
were
man
we
really
like
geothermal.
We
love
the
concept
or
Team
Green
all
the
way,
but
we
have
no
way
to
support
it
so
give
us
a
way
to
support
geothermal.
Some
of
the
ideas
that
were
kicked
around
out
of
that
came
like
the
geothermal
back
carbon
credits.
F
Maybe
they
can
buy
some
carbon
credits
just
to
show
their
support,
helps
them
out
in
their
business.
They
can
advertise,
they
support
green.
You
know
an
adopt
a
pipe
program.
You
know
I
picture
the
bricks
you
buy
downtown.
You
know
I
got
my
name
on
The
Brick.
Well,
maybe
you
got
your
name
somewhere
that
says:
hey
you
adopted
150
feet
of
pipe
just
any
way
to
encourage
that
Community
involvement.
F
C
H
Hello,
everybody,
my
name
is
Ed
Jewell
I'm,
an
attorney
with
the
city.
I,
sometimes
sit
right
there,
but
I'm
on
this
side.
Today
and
yes,
it's
really
fun
to
be
part
of
the
interdisciplinary
team,
put
down
the
legal
hat
for
a
while.
You
know
where
there's
always
liabilities
and
consequences
lurking
everywhere
and
think
more
about
Innovation
and
excitement
like
if
somebody
was
like
Hey
we're
gonna
fly
helicopters
really
close
to
power
lines.
Do
you
see
any
liability
potentially
with
that
I'd
be
like?
H
Well,
you
should
call
risk
see
see
how
much
insurance
we
need
for
that,
but
so
it
was
really
fun
to
think
about
Innovative
fun,
Solutions,
building
them
opportunities
for
the
future
and
working
with
people
across
the
city
was
really
nice
too.
H
So
another
thing
that
the
the
group,
the
large
group,
including
the
members
of
the
community,
came
up
with
so
an
idea
of
a
dual
heating:
cooling
District.
So
right
now
it's
a
heating
District
right,
so
it's
valuable
in
December,
January
February,
so
like
three
months
out
of
the
year.
H
So
if,
if
you're
able
to
make
it
a
cooling
District
now,
you
know
the
payback's
much
quicker
right
because
you're
using
it
almost
the
entire
year
and
so
I'm
not
going
to
pretend
to
know
the
technical
details
of
how
this
is
accomplished.
But
I
was
told
and
heard
from
other
people
who
are
Engineers,
that
this
is
a
thing
that
is
possible,
it's
being
done
in
Europe
and
they're,
studying
it
out
at
the
National
Lab.
And
so
it
takes
the
energy.
H
That's
in
the
hot
water
and
there's
some
device,
and
that
takes
that
energy
and
and
through
sorcery,
turns
it
into
cold
air
and
pumps.
It
into
the
buildings
so
and
then
there's
also
an
opportunity
where
you
would
actually
run
another
or
swap
over
the
pipes
and
run
cool
water
through
it,
and
so
that
the
pipes
you
just
use
the
same
pipes
and
more
or
less
the
same
equipment.
But
then
you
know
what
do
you
do
in
the
shoulder:
Seasons
right,
where
it's
kind
of
hot,
sometimes
kind
of
cold?
H
Sometimes,
and
so
in
addition
to
making
this
pencil
quicker
for
individual
buildings?
Because
of
that
additional
capacity.
Use
that
that
bigger
Factor
Idaho
Power
is
a
is
a
summer
heating.
H
Well,
you
know
in
the
summer
when
it's
hot,
the
cooling
causes
their
grid
to
spike,
so
they
have
to
design
their
grid
to
them
summer
load,
and
so
that's
one
of
the
reasons
the
reduced
carbon
aspect
on
this
one
is
so
high
is
because
it
would
be
targeting
you
know
and
advancing
what
Idaho
Power
needs
to
meet
summer
resources,
and
so
we
do
note
that
significant
study
on
that
is
needed.
H
Like
I
said,
I've
been
told
it's
possible,
though
okay,
so
this
one's
a
little
less
wonky,
also
more
exciting,
not
more
exciting,
exciting
in
a
different
way,
one
or
more
demonstration
projects-
and
we
sort
of
presented
this
as
a
community
really
broadly
without
a
lot
of
details
and
the
thing
that
Community
member
that
we
heard
was
like
a
community
space
Outdoors.
So
when
it's
like
January
February,
it's
cruddy
out
it's
cold,
there's
an
inversion
someplace
you
can
go
like
an
outdoor,
Cafe
sidewalk,
maybe
there's
a
greenhouse,
maybe
there's
heated
bike
Lanes.
H
Maybe
the
greenhouse
is
growing
food.
Maybe
it's
growing
flowers.
Maybe
you
know
the
opportunity
is
really
endless,
but
sort
of
demonstrate
and
showcase
opportunities
to
use
the
the
the
resource
in
a
different
way
and
a
community
space
to
bring
people
together
also
raises
awareness
and
and-
and
it
provides
the
city
like
a
really
good
opportunity
to
ask
people
what
they
want
to
see
and
to
implement
feedback.
H
This
one
I'm
guessing.
Well,
we
sort
of
actually
discounted
this
from
the
very
beginning,
because
this
was
like
a
one
that,
like
everybody,
wants
like
just
do
a
Hot
Springs
right
and
what
we
kept
hearing
it
and
we
kept
thinking
about
it.
And
you
know,
like
our
wells,
our
geothermal
Wells
are
sort
of
up
by
military
Reserve
right
in
the
base
of
the
Foothills.
H
We
have
the
history
with
with
the
NAT,
so
you
know
the
NAT
would
be
sort
of
more
like
a
bath
house
style
or
you
could
do
more
of
like
a
natural,
hot
spring
style
in
the
Foothills
or
there's
geothermal
resources
along
the
river,
so
really
cool
opportunities
to
do
sort
of
like
a
natural
style,
hot
springs,
which
would
you
know
more
accessibility
for
folks
who
can't
make
it
out
to
the
hot
springs
in
the
mountains,
either
for
driving
purposes
or
or
for
different
accessibility
issues.
It
can
be
a
big
money
maker.
H
We
talked
to
the
folks
in
Lava.
Hot
Springs
is
I
I.
Guess
it's
technically
pronounced
Lava
Hot
Springs,
but
it's
hard
for
me
to
say:
Lava,
Hot,
Springs
and
they're.
They
they
have
a
city-run
Hot
Springs.
Where
you
go
and
you
soak
and
it's
they
said.
You
know,
however
Bill.
However
big
you
think
you're
gonna
build
it
like
just
make
it
way
bigger,
because
our
biggest
issue
is
like
having
enough
space
for
people
to
come
in
here
and
so
yeah.
H
Everybody
wants
a
hot
springs,
yeah,
what's
what's
not
to
like
I
suppose
and
then
so
this
one
sort
of
ties
into
kind
of
everything
else,
just
sort
of
promoting
what
we
are
doing.
H
H
So
we
had
we,
we
talked
a
lot
about
like
a.
What
do
you
call
it
the
like
the
mascot,
like
probably
spent
like
hours
like?
Should
it
be
a
pipe
or
should
it
be
a
steampunk
or
should
it
be?
You
know
whatever,
so
we
also
spent
a
lot
of
good
hours
talking
about
like
more.
You
know,
hard-hitting
things
too.
So
it
wasn't
all
that,
but
it
was
good
and,
and
so
I
think
that
would
be
where
I
handed
off
the
cow.
E
D
Dad
wow,
you
really
are
tall
thanks,
Doug
thanks
Ed,
so
that
really
completes
our
presentation.
I
wanted
to
share
a
little
bit
before
I
end
about
sort
of
the
progress
we're
making
on
this,
because
there's
a
lot
of
great
recommendations.
D
One
is
we
are
very
intentional
and
not
about
not
waiting
until
they
were
perfect
before
sharing
them
right,
there's
still
a
lot
of
work
that
needs
to
be
done,
sort
of
scope,
things
out
understand
if
they
would
really
work,
and
so
we're
excited
to
work
on
that
some
progress
we've
made,
though,
is
we
have
received
greater
investment
in
our
geothermal
system,
so
there
was
an
additional
staff
person
and
FTE
approved
for
geothermal,
and
that
person
is
probably
going
to
get
hired
this
spring,
which
will
be
really
instrumental
to
helping
John
out,
but
also
helping
Implement
some
of
these
recommendations.
D
We
were
also
able
to
secure
1.3
million
dollars
of
federal
funds
through
arpa
to
replace
about
2
400
feet
of
geothermal
pipe,
which
is
really
big
to
keep
our
system
running
I.
Think,
probably
the
most
Innovative
sort
of
solution
or
recommendation
here
was
that
dual
heating
cooling
system,
which
would
be
really
revolutionary,
it's
only
been
tried
at
really
small
scale,
could
make
a
huge
difference.
That
would
require
a
lot
of
study.
D
We
are
applying
right
now
to
a
department
of
energy
grant
that
would
be
up
to
10
million
dollars
so
that
we
could
study
that
for
further
understand,
evaluate
and
understand
the
feasibility
of
it
and
potentially
deploy
it
in
some
parts
of
our
system.
So
that's
really
exciting
and
then.
Lastly,
we,
the
city,
hired
a
Bloomberg
Harvard
fellow
just
a
couple
months
ago,
her
name
is
Sam.
D
Beck
Sans
out
there
hey,
Sam
Sam,
is
amazing
and
she's
been
sort
of
the
point
person
on
the
department
of
energy
Grant,
which
is
great
because,
to
be
honest,
we
wouldn't
have
had
the
bandwidth
to
apply
for
that
grant
funding
without
Sam's
help,
and
we're
really
hopeful
about
our
opportunity
to
get
that
funding
and
also
after
sort
of
the
grant
goes
in
on
October
11th
she's
Sam's
going
to
be
working
some
more
on
some
of
these
recommendations,
sort
of
test
and
iterate
on
things
like
marketing,
geothermal
or
Boise's,
geothermal
City,
going
out
and
doing
direct
Outreach
to
businesses.
D
A
So
I'll
go
first,
if
no
one
else
minds,
but
some
very,
very
exciting
ideas.
I
love
the
the
kind
of
multi-directional
way
that
you're
going
thinking
from
into
you
know.
In
Practical
terms,
you
talked
about
some
of
the
incentives
for
for
developers.
I
think
the
idea
of
definitely
reduce
parking
definitely
had
variants
and
not
just
to
accommodate
the
systems,
but
just
as
a
hey,
you're
doing
the
right
thing.
So
we're
going
to
kind
of
give
you
this.
A
You
know.
Similarly,
when
we
do
projects
with
CCDC
and
we
get
reimbursement
on
any
public
improvements,
if
there's
a
way
for
developers
to
get
reimbursement
for
engineering
fees
or
any
kind
of
construction
fees
that
relate
specifically
to
using
the
geothermal
system,
I
think
that
would
really
go
a
long
way
as
well.
A
I
love
the
idea
of
the
the
really
fun
Gardens
in
the
middle
of
winter,
because
my
gosh
it
gets
miserable
and
gray
and
I.
Think
Boise
is
such
a
great
Community,
Place
anytime,
there's
ever
a
community
event.
People
just
dive
in
and
get
so
involved
to
have
so
something
that
has
so
much
visibility
and
has
an
educational
component
and
kids
can
get
involved
and
that's
kind
of
the
Hub
of
of
kind
of
the
geothermal
face.
You
know
like
we
have
the
the
Water
Treatment
Center.
A
If
we
can
do
something
similar
for
this,
and
maybe
it
becomes
something
that
there's
even
a
support
fund
for
it-
that
maybe
big
local
companies
could
support.
Yeah
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
great
opportunity
and
I
love
the
idea
of
making
it
more
available
and
more
accessible,
so
really
good.
Work.
D
Thanks
Madam,
chair
and
I'll
add
that
the
city
is
in
the
middle
of
rewriting
its
zoning
code,
which
is
sort
of
a
once
in
a
generation
opportunity
to
sort
of
shape
the
future
of
our
city,
and
the
current
draft
of
that
includes
some
sort
of
performance
standards
for
development.
So
if,
if
you're
building
in
the
right
ways,
affordable
housing,
sustainable
construction,
we
will
give
you
some
sort
of
incentives.
You
can
add
an
extra
floor.
You
can
reduce
parking.
G
Any
other
questions
chair:
do
you
mind
if
I
go
next
I
want
to
say
these
are
really
great
recommendations,
great
work
to
you
all
who
worked
on
this
project,
it's
phenomenal
honestly
I
did
have
a
question
about
like.
What's
you
talked
about
a
little
bit
the
progress
of
what's
to
come,
but
there's
a
long
list
of
recommendations
here?
Are
you
gonna
like
dip
into
all
of
them
in
some
capacity
and
like?
G
D
At
Madam
chair,
commissioner,
great
question,
I
think
the
ones
that
we're
looking
to
focus
on
early
once
Sam
is
done
with
this
grant.
To
have
her
do
some
work
on
include
the
leveraging
our
Planning
Development
Services,
to
educate
and
promote,
because
there's
some
great
opportunities
there
around
the
zoning
code
rewrite
and
other
opportunities.
We
want
to
sort
of
Leverage
that
the
piece
about
launching
a
direct
sales
campaign.
I
know
this
is
not
it's
not
sexy.
It's
not
Innovative,
but
Klamath
Falls,
their
heating
utility,
which
is
much
smaller
than
ours.
They
did
this.
D
They
just
went
door
to
door
talked
to
folks
gave
them
a
sort
of
a
site
assessment
and
they
doubled
the
size
of
their
system.
From
you
know,
it
was
from
like
10
buildings
to
20
buildings,
so
the
scale
is
different,
but
if
we
could
add
15
20
buildings,
just
by
doing
that,
it
seems
really
worthwhile.
So
that's
the
second
piece
and
then
the
the
friends
of
geothermal
program
is
something
Sam
is
going
to
be
working
on
and
then
there's
some
other
scattered
in
there
too.
D
But
we
need
to
talk
some
other
City
stakeholders
like,
for
example,
if
we're
going
to
do
Hot
Springs,
we
need
to
work
really
closely
with
our
parks
department
and,
of
course,
we're
really
really
hopeful
about
this
department
of
energy
Grant,
which
could
really
help
move
forward.
The
piece
about
the
Dual
heating
and
cooling
system.
B
Madam,
chair
I,
have
a
question
please
this
is
Robin,
yes
go
ahead.
Thank
you.
I
actually
have
a
handful
of
questions,
I
Am
brand
new
to
the
commission
and
very
very
excited
about
what
I'm
learning
this
is
literally
my
second
meeting
and
I'm
just
very
impressed
with
your
team
and
wow.
This
is
very
cool,
so
a
couple
of
just
administrative
things,
I
was
hoping
to
get
a
copy
of
the
PowerPoint
emailed
to
me
later
at
some
point.
If
someone
could
take
care
of
that,
please
I
would
really
appreciate
it.
B
D
Yeah,
commissioner
Lockett
great
questions,
we'll
definitely
make
sure
you
get
the
slide
deck.
We
don't
have
a
formal
written
report
and
we
try
to
not
do
something
like
that,
because
we
wanted
to
make
this
really
accessible
for
folks,
but
I'd
also
be
happy
to
meet
with
you
personally,
commissioner,
and
walk
through
some
of
these
pieces
in
a
little
more
detail.
If
that's
helpful,.
B
Thank
you
I'd
appreciate
that
my
second
question
is
about,
and
I
was
having
sort
of
technological
issues
I'm
at
home
today
and
and
my
computer
was
actually
cutting
out
some.
So
during
the
piece
where
Mr
I
think
it
was
Reinhardt
was
speaking.
I
I
may
have
missed
this,
but
I'm
wondering
about
sort
of
the
distance
and
the
range
of
the
pipeline.
Like
our
footprint.
Do
we
have
to
for
now
focus
our
efforts
on
a
certain
geographical
region.
B
I
know
we're
going
to
dream
big
and
we're
gonna
we're
gonna.
You
know
nothing's
off
the
table,
but
my
question
is
more
about
our
our
current
footprint
based
on
our
current
water
rights.
Are
we
just
looking
to
kind
of
expand
in
that
Warm,
Springs
and
downtown
area?
Or
can
we
look
out
Beyond
there?
D
Great
question
commissioner,
Lockett
and
I'm
going
to
do
my
best
to
answer
it
and
I
might
invite
John
up
and
tell
me
if
I'm
saying
something
wrong
John,
but
it
is
something
we
talked
about
quite
a
bit
right,
because
if
we're
really
dreaming
big,
are
we
just
expanding
to
other
parts
of
downtown?
Are
we
thinking
of
the
city
as
a
whole?
There
are
some
real
challenges
to
expanding
geographically,
too
far.
D
The
actual
sort
of
aquifer
where
the
water
is
located
is
actually
thousands
of
feet
below
ground
normally,
and
so,
if
we
were
to
say
put
in
another
pump
on
the
bench
now
we're
talking
about
a
very
expensive
well,
because
we're
drilling
down
hundreds
or
thousands
of
feet,
and
so,
if
we're
just
pulling
from
the
area
where
we're
pulling
from
the
farther
it
goes
in
the
pipe
the
cooler
it
gets
and
the
less
useful
it
gets.
So
there's
some
real
constraints
to
that
piece.
D
As
far
as
we
can
go,
so
we
were
really
more
focused
on
sort
of
downtown
and
downtown
adjacent
neighborhoods
for
now,
because
there's
so
much
opportunity
for
growth
in
those
neighborhoods,
but
I
could
see
a
longer
term
goal
around.
Are
there
ways
that
we
can
expand?
Somebody
just
shared
an
idea
with
me.
Some
communities
I
think
especially
in
like
northern
Europe,
are
doing
like
I
can't
remember
what
they
called
it.
D
So
instead
of
that
server
Farm
having
to
use
a
lot
of
energy
to
cool
their
servers
right
they're
using
that
heat
instead
to
warm
other
buildings
and
so
I
started
to
think
like
well,
are
there
opportunities
for
something
like
that
where
we're
sort
of
heating
up
the
water
again
on
on
the
periphery
of
downtown
and
then
pumping
it
out?
So
there
may
be
some
opportunities
really
longer
term,
but
our
group
really
felt
like
there's
so
much
opportunity
in
the
downtown
and
downtown
adjacent
neighborhoods
to
expand.
D
B
Okay,
very
good,
thank
you
and
Madam
chair.
If
I
may
one
more
more
of
a
comment,
you
asked
for
some
feedback
and
I
really
liked
the
Lava
Hot
Springs
idea.
I've
I've
been
there
a
few
times
and
it's
very
cool.
It's
very
Innovative.
They
have
expanded
with
additional
appropriation
from
the
legislature
over
the
last
several
years
now
and
it's
been
really
really
successful
for
them
and
I
just
thought.
That
was
a
really
great
idea,
so
I
give
that
two
thumbs
up.
Potentially
you
know
if
it
pans
out.
B
Of
course,
we'd
have
to
we'd
have
to
look
at
the
details
and
then
lastly,
I'll
be
sure
to
start
dreaming
up
a
mascot.
You
know
in
our
next
review.
So
thanks
folks
for
your
time.
A
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Lockett
I
have
another
question,
so
it
seems
that
the
majority
of
the
buildings
that
are
currently
utilizing
the
geothermal
Heats
are
public
buildings.
Has
that
been
by
Design?
Is
there?
A
Is
there
any
kind
of
goal
to
to
keep
it?
You
know
we're
talking
about
an
extra
30
capacity.
A
D
Think
Madam
chair.
Thank
you
for
that
question.
Very
much.
The
latter
right
wherever
there's
opportunity
really.
The
goal
here
is
to
grow
the
system
to
help
us
achieve
this.
Carbon
neutrality
goal
and
who's
ever
willing
to
be
part
of
that
would
be
wonderful
and,
frankly,
I.
Think.
If
we're
going
to
grow
from
here,
it's
going
to
need
to
be
largely
non-public
sector
buildings,
but
I
would
say
I
would
say.
Probably
the
majority
of
square
footage
and
buildings
are
that
use.
Geothermal
are
probably
private
sector
buildings.
Is
that
fair.
E
D
E
I'm,
sorry,
thank
you.
You
know
building
Square
size
and
the
number
of
customers
that
we
can
serve.
I
mean
if
we
wanted
to
go
into
the
North,
End
and
start
serving
residential
homes,
which
we
are
doing.
We
have
recently
computed
a
study
of
I
mean
the
the
amount
of
infrastructure
and
the
cost
it
would
take
to
extend
blocks
and
blocks
and
blocks
through
residential
subdivision
compared
to
connecting
one
of
these
new
buildings
downtown
because
it
gets
us
the
same
uses
in
square
footage.
E
A
I
have
a
follow-up
question:
I,
don't
know
if
you're
going
to
have
the
answer
to
this,
but
if
we're
talking
about
brand
new
building
the
the
cost
of
regular
Heating
and
Casper's
just
heating
systems
right
now,
until
we
figure
out
the
cooling
system,
but
the
cost
of
what
traditional
building
methods
would
cost
versus.
If,
if
a
new
developer
would
cut
were
to
come
in
with
a
geothermal
system,
do
you
have
a
sense
of
what
the
difference
in
cost
would
be
up
front
and
then
long
term.
E
I
wish
it
were
that
black
and
white.
There
are
several
different
heating
types
types
of
heating
systems,
depending
on
the
type
of
heating
system
that
are
building
elects.
Sometimes
geothermal
is
less
expensive
other
times
it
is
more
expensive.
A
big
obstacle
that
we
are
we
have
been
running
into
is
for
high
density
residential
on
how
do
they
submeter
that?
How
do
they
understand
this
tenants
keeps
their
thermostat
this
high,
this
one
that,
and
so
you
know,
there's
different
challenges
with
each
building,
but
it
it's
something
we
are
exploring.
I
E
Sure,
commissioner,
great
question
that
is
going
to
be
part
of
the
study
that
we're
applying
for
this
grant
for
Kyle
alluded
to
there's
several
ways:
different
Technologies
out
there
for
for
cooling
the
I'm
going
to
call
it
the
the
historic
way.
The
older
way
of
doing
it
is
start
running,
chilled
water
through
pipes
to
buildings.
There
are
a
lot
of
cooling
districts
that
do
so
I've
been
hearing
a
lot
kind
of
they're,
calling
it
the
fifth
generation
kind
of
the
newest,
most
efficient
way
for
heating
cool.
E
It's
kind
of
alluding
to
what
Kyle
was
saying:
it's
currently
being
done
on
a
Cornell
University's
campus,
where
they
call
it
an
ambient
Loop
temperature,
and
so
it's
basically
a
temperature
that
ranges
between
about
75
and
85
degrees,
Fahrenheit,
and
so
this
is
a
it's
a
closed
loop
system
and
this
temperature
water
can
be
used
for
both
heating
or
cooling
via
heat
pumps,
and
so
so
we'll
say
in
the
winter
time
all
the
buildings
are
heating
from
it.
E
When
the
temperature
of
this
ambient
Loop
gets
low,
you
bump
it
with
some
geothermal
water
to
boost
it
back
up
and
in
the
summertime.
As
this
ambient
Loop
starts
getting
too
hot,
because
all
the
buildings
are
dumping,
their
heat
into
it,
you
find
a
cooling
source
to
lower
this
ambient
Loop.
But
the
benefits
of
this
is
the
mixed
use
buildings.
If
there
is
a
server
Farm
or
if
there
is
a
building,
that's
producing
heat,
they
start
balancing
each
other
out.
We
see
this
similarly
like
on
heat
pump
buildings
downtown.
E
They
are
extremely
efficient,
where
you
know
the
sun's
on
the
on
the
south
or
west
side.
It's
baking,
the
building,
the
the
Shady
Side
is
still
cold,
and
so
these
heat
pumps
are
basically
just
transferring
the
heat
within
a
building
and
they
don't
have
to
turn
on
geothermal
or
natural
gas
or
whatever
their
heating
sources.
They're,
essentially
just
moving
that
heat
around
within
a
building.
Another
example
we
we
saw
was
inside
of
the
Hof
building.
They
were
a
very
large
geothermal
User.
E
It's
also
a
heat
pump
building,
but
one
of
the
one
of
the
TV
stations
moved
in
there
and
they
had
a
huge
server
room
and
all
kinds
of
equipment
and
all
of
a
sudden,
we
saw
the
geothermal
used
to
drop
at
that
building
and
the
more
we
learned
we
realized,
there's
a
heat
pump,
building
and
they're
just
pulling
the
Heat,
basically
out
of
that
server
room
and
now
heating
their
entire
building.
So
long
long
story
short
something
that
we're
studying.
E
There
are
different
ways
of
doing
it,
there's
also
a
new
absorption
chillers
that
can
take
this
170
degree.
Water
run
it
through
a
heat
pump
and
start
chilling
with
it,
but
that
would
require
all
new
equipment
for
all
these
buildings,
and
so
we
talked
about
kind
of
the
the
foundation
of
our
strategic
plan.
Is
we
also
want
to
just
make
sure
we're
taking
care
of
our
existing
customers?
E
We
want
to
be
very
cautious
through
these
recommendations
that
we
don't
come
in
and
say
that
buildings
now
have
to
change
the
way
they
operate,
customers
that
have
been
loyal
and
a
user
for
the
last
40
years.
We
don't
want
to
just
start
pulling
the
rug
out
from
under
them,
so
this
is
all
stuff
that
we
anticipate,
studying,
assuming
or
hoping
that
we
get.
This
grant.
B
I
have
one
more
question:
if
I
may
yeah
go
ahead,
thank
you
so
much
there
was
a
woman
at
the
last
at
our
meeting
a
few
weeks
ago.
Heidi
and
I
don't
recall
her
last
name.
She
was
the
finance
director.
I.
Think
I
was
wondering
if
she
or
someone
would
be
able
to
send
me
just
a
couple
of
years
of
actual
expenditures
on
the
geothermal
program
and
maybe
this
year's
budget.
B
A
A
Okay,
so
with
no
more
gender
items
so
we'll
be,
do
we
have
a
motion
to
adjourn.