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From YouTube: Citywide Advisory Committee Meeting #5 - 02/18/2021
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The fifth Citywide Advisory Committee Meeting for the Zoning Code Rewrite for the City of Boise.
A
A
A
So
our
project
has
five
phases
and
we
just
completed
that
phase
two,
so
that
diagnostics
report
that
we
all
reviewed,
that
was
part
of
phase
two
and
we're
just
beginning
phase
three,
which
is
that
module
one
so
we'll
be
working
on
that.
So
as
we
take
a
look
at
that,
we
also
wanted
to
let
you
know
that,
as
we
start
that
module
one
we
are
going
out
with
a
public
survey.
A
The
survey
will
be
available
online
at
the
zoning
code,
rewrite
website
for
anybody
to
fill
out
and
then
we're
also
sending
out
some
targeted,
postcard
mailers
to
some
specific
areas.
And
so
we
took
a
look
at
some
census
tracts
throughout
the
city
of
boise,
and
we
looked
at
their
health
indicators,
and
so
we
have
some
identified
areas
for
tier
one
census
tracts
and
that
is
really
takes
a
look
at
the
overall
health,
and
so
that
looks
at
everything
from
the
tree
canopy.
A
That's
currently
existing
the
sidewalks
access
to
goods
and
services,
and
it
takes
a
broad
view
of
overall
health,
and
so
some
of
those
tier
one
areas
have
a
lesser
health
indicator,
and
so
we
did
go
ahead
and
notice.
Those
so
we'll
be
seeing
postcards
go
out
in
the
next
week
and
then
we
will
be
able
to
bring
that
information
back
to
you.
The
information
that
we're
looking
for
is
very
similar
questions
to
what
we've
asked
each
one
of
you.
A
So
that
will
be
going
out
shortly
and
then
we
also
need
to
let
you
know
that
we
will
be
shifting
our
meeting
date
in
april
to
accommodate
for
that
survey.
We
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
gave
everybody
ample
time
to
respond
to
that
survey.
So
originally
the
april
meeting
that
third
thursday
would
fall
on
the
15th.
A
A
I
think
it's
always
good
to
take
a
look
at
our
vision,
which
is
creating
a
city
for
everyone,
as
well
as
our
strategic
priorities,
because
these
are
going
to
be
those
overreaching
goals
of
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish.
So
we're
trying
to
create
a
safe,
healthy
city
for
everyone
create
a
home
for
everyone,
movement
for
everyone,
a
clean
city
for
everyone,
opportunity
for
everyone
and
engaging
everyone.
A
And
then
we
have
also
been
asked
to
revisit
the
rules
of
engagement,
as
a
number
of
you
have
said
that
it's
really
helpful
to
go
over
that
everybody
has
arrived
prepared
and
I'm
sure
that
you're
ready
to
share
your
thoughts
and
ideas
make
sure
that
we're
keeping
an
open,
mind
and
thinking
about
community
as
a
whole.
So
really
taking
that
big
holistic
look
being
kind
to
everyone.
A
That
should
be
all
that
we
have
for
you
for
opening
discussions.
I
would
like
to
introduce
a
couple
of
individuals
too.
So
we
have
myself
andrea
tuning
with
the
city
of
boise.
We
also
have
deanna
dupuy
with
the
comprehensive
planning
division
as
well.
Cody
riddle
is
here.
He
is
our
planning
and
zoning
deputy
director.
A
We
have
wendy
ellis
dad
from
the
mayor's
office
and
she
is
a
on
the
project
team
as
well.
We
have
mark
lavin,
he's
our
pbs
director
so
planning
and
development
services
director,
and
then
we
also
have
maria
wigg,
who
is
our
community
engagement
director?
So
we
have
a
lot
of
people
here
to
assist
you.
So
if
you
have
any
questions,
go
ahead
and
let
us
know
we'd
be
happy
to
help
in
any
way
that
we
can
so
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
turn
it
over
to
our
consulting
team.
B
We
have
three
questions
we're
going
to
try
to
focus
on
today,
but,
as
we
have
in
the
past,
try
to
do
a
little
background
about
that,
and
I'm
going
to
I'm
going
to
now
do
just
introduce
gabby
hart
to
cover
the
beginning
of
this
presentation
and
then
in
a
few
minutes
I'll
take
it
up
and
we'll
we'll
address
the
very
first
topic
that
we
have
to
address.
So
can
someone
tell
me
whether
you
see
the
powerpoint
now?
Can
you
see
the
first
page
of
the
powerpoint?
B
Yes,
all
right,
great,
so
gabby
in
light
of
in,
in
order
to
make
this
as
efficient
as
possible,
I'm
going
to
suggest
that
we
skip
the
this.
This
was
basically
the
agenda
which
andrea
covered,
and
this
is
the
timeline
which,
in
a
different
graphic
form,
andre
also
covered.
So,
in
the
interests
of
using
more
time
to
listen
to
you,
let's
go
on
gabby.
Take
it
from
here.
C
Thanks
tom,
so
just
as
a
reminder
of
kind
of
where
we've
been
and
where
we're
going
at
the
last
meeting,
we
talked
about
zoning
districts
today,
we're
talking
about
use
regulations
which
includes
permitted
and
conditional
uses
within
zoning
districts,
and
also
you
specific
standards
in
march.
We'll
talk
about
the
remaining
issues
on
both
of
those
topics
that
come
up
during
the
drafting
process
and
then
in
april,
we'll
do
a
presentation
and
review
of
the
full
draft
of
module
1,
which
is
sony
districts
and
uses
next
slide.
Please.
C
For
example,
a
gas
station
is
a
principal
use
and
it
is
most
often
accompanied
by
a
convenience
store,
which
would
then
be
the
accessory
use
on
that
property,
and
then
a
temporary
use
is
a
use
that
is
permitted
only
for
a
limited
amount
of
time
and
an
example
of
that
would
be
a
farmer's
market
next
slide.
Please.
C
So
if
you've
ever
heard,
the
term
buy
right,
this
is
referring
to
a
permitted
use.
A
permitted
use
is
a
use
that
does
not
require
a
public
hearing,
but
it
needs
to
be
reviewed
against
parking
landscaping.
Lighting
and
other
types
of
general
standards
and
permitted
uses
may
or
may
not
include
what
are
called
use.
Specific
standards
and
use
specific
standards
limit
details
like
the
size,
the
scale,
the
hours
of
operation
of
businesses.
C
C
C
C
So
if
you
look
on
the
right
side
of
the
screen
there,
the
first
clip
is
of
the
table
and
then
the
next
clip
is
of
an
example
of
a
use,
specific
standard
where
it's
just
two
additional
paragraphs
and
then
the
following
is
a
clip
of
a
use
definition
and
you
can
find
these
in
the
existing
boise
code.
If
you
go
to
the
next.
C
Slide,
this
is
a
closer
up
clip
of
the
table
and
the
same
format
is
going
to
be
used
in
the
updated
version.
So
the
left-hand
column
answers
the
question.
What
is
it,
what
is
the
use?
What
is
the
business?
What
is
the
activity
and
then
the
next?
The
main
portion
of
the
use
table
has
all
of
the
zoning
districts
listed
and
it
answers
the
questions.
Where
can
it
go
and
by
which
process
will
I
need
council
approval?
B
Next
one
yeah:
that's
it
all
right!
So,
let's
pause
for
a
minute,
we're
making
good
time.
We
want
to
leave
a
lot
of
time,
but
I
want
them.
Let's.
I
will
not
repeat
what
gabby
said,
but
I
will
ask:
are
there
questions
about
it?
Are
there
things
that,
because
this
is
fundamental
primary
versus
an
accessory
and
a
temporary
use,
a
buy
right
versus
a
conditional
or
use
that
is
subject
to
use
specific
standards
or
just
no
and
by
the
way,
wherever
there's
a
blank
cell
in
this
table?
B
You
can't
do
it
if
you
want
to
do
that,
you
need
to
go
to
council
and
get
yourself
put
into
a
district
where
there's
a
c
european
cell.
That's
the
by
far
the
major
approach
across
the
country,
this
type
of
use
table
when
we
produce
it
and
have
a
discussion
in
april.
It's
very
helpful
because
it's
very
often
useful
to
ask
the
question:
why
not
you
allow
it
in
the
in
the
district
to
the
left?
You
allow
the
district
to
the
right,
why
not
in
this
district
or
why?
B
B
B
Okay,
all
right
all
right,
that's
fine!
The
do
we
have
his
do.
We
have
it
in
the
chat
already.
Oh
he's.
Gonna
come
later,
let's,
let's
we'll
keep
moving,
but
we
will
come
back
to
andrea.
Please
interrupt
me
whenever
he
has
framed
his
question
because
it's
it's.
If
he
has
a
question
at
this
point
in
the
process
we
need
to
to
address
it
and
so
all
right,
let's
I'm
going
to
go
back
to
this
presentation.
B
We
have
three
questions
that
we
would
like
to
focus
your
attention
on
today
and
draw
at
your
opinions
and
I'm
going
to
read
them
now.
We're
not
we're
not
we're
going
to
take
them
and
give
a
good
piece
of
time
to
give
a
couple
of
examples
about
what
we're
asking
and
then
to
have
me
shut
up
and
to
try
to
listen
to
who
has
to
say
the
first
one
relates
to
what
we
said
last
time.
B
B
Should
we
try
to
integrate
those
into
existing
neighborhoods,
or
should
we
try
to
add
new
and
creative
zone
districts
as
a
new
thing
that
would
allow
new
types
of
housing
and
we
got
a
mix
of
answers
which
I
took
as
considerable,
but
be
careful
about
putting
them
in
existing
neighborhoods.
Some
of
you
feel,
I
think,
it's
fair
to
say,
fairly
suspicious
or
nervous
about
that,
and
others
were
much
more
on
the
other
end
saying
I
want
us,
I
want
to
see
both.
B
I
want
to
see
new
districts
and
I
want
to
see
some
leavening
of
the
existing
districts.
Do
we
I'm
going
to
stop
right
there
and
ask?
Is
there
here's
the
chat?
Are
there
any
city
that
chat
that
byron
asked
in
the
chat
was?
Are
there
any
cities
with
probationary
uses
in
which
he
used
the
lab
for
a
period
of
time
to
determine
the
impact
sort
of
an
experimental
way
to
test
possible
uses?
D
B
It's
very
unusual,
and
the
reason
is
many:
usually
when
you
do
a
uc,
an
investment,
it
has
to
build
something
or
orient
or
stack
up
or
convert
the
property
and
we're
greater
than
we
expected.
You
got
to
stop
doing
it.
You
can,
and
frankly
I'm
it's
not
popular,
but
the
most
common
example
is
a
parking
lot.
I
want
to
build
something
great.
I
can't
get
financing
the
market's,
not
quite
there.
The
current
building
is
falling
down.
I
need
to
be
able
to
take
it
down
into
a
parking
lot
for
five
years.
B
Just
give
me
five
years
answer
usually
and
most
not
because
it's
not
a
reasonable
thing
to
ask,
but
because
our
experiences
once
people
have
made
an
investment
in
it,
it's
very
hard
to
terminate
a
probationary
use.
It
is
really
hard
to
tell
a
guy
who's
taken
out
a
loan
and
invested
their
own
money
that
they
got
to
stop
it
when
they
were
hoping.
This
would
be
part
of
a
longer-term
investment.
B
B
Okay
right
so
first
question:
last
time
we
talked
about
districts.
Do
we
need
a
new
zone
district?
I
heard
yes,
don't
put
all
your
eggs
in
that
basket,
but
nobody
said
no
new
districts
put
them
all
in
the
existing
districts,
so
you
can
expect
to
see
one
or
more
new
districts
to
allow
creative
housing
options,
and
you
could
also
expect
to
see
something
that
it
tries
to
incorporate
them
sensitively
in
some
existing
zone
districts.
Yep,
that's
what
I
heard
last
time
be
careful
don,
be
careful
clarion,
but
we're
not
going
one
or
the
other.
B
We
want
to
see
something
that
considers
both
new
types
of
housing
that
should
be
allowed
in
some
of
the
zone
districts.
Given
that
some
part
of
what
we
heard
last
time
was:
don't
we
didn't
tell
you
to
ring
fence
the
existing
neighborhoods
and
tell
you
not
to
change
them.
So,
let's,
let's
dive
deeper,
let's
ask
the
use
question:
we
have
a
new
district,
not
a
new
district.
It's
an
existing
district
that
you
all
live
in
one
or
the
other
of
in
boise.
B
How
how
what
types
of
housing
do
you
want
to
talk
about
or
not
talk
about
in
some
of
those
districts?
That's
the
first
question.
Secondly,
are
there
some
types
of
uses
that
are
currently
listed
as
conditional
uses,
meaning
a
public
hearing
is
required
that
could
become
permitted
uses
with
you
specific
standards?
B
The
story
is
this:
we
send
all
of
our
whatever
gas
stations
through
a
conditional
use
process.
Why?
Well,
because
we
got
to
make
sure
that
they
shield
the
cars
and
they
don't
operate
late
at
night
and
they
put
additional
landscaping
and
they
don't
store
cars
outside
you
just
list
them
off,
and
the
answer
is
so.
You
apply
the
same
kind
of
standards
to
everyone.
B
That's
not
saying
that
it
has
to
happen,
but
I
will
say:
there's
a
strong
trend
around
the
country
to
say,
as
you
do,
this
work
ask
yourself
the
question:
does
this
need
to
be
a
conditional
use
because,
as
a
general
rule,
they
add
time
expense
and
uncertainty
the
process?
The
flip
side
is,
of
course
they
give
the
neighborhood
a
voice,
but
if
there
is
a
trend
around
the
country
in
the
last
30
years
or
25
years,
I've
been
doing
this
most
jurisdictions
want
to
become
more
objective,
send
clearer
messages
to
the
market.
B
You
can
do
this
and
you
can
even
avoid,
but
you
can't
do
it
within
200
feet
of
a
neighborhood,
and
you
can't
do
it
if
you
want
to
stay
open
after
10
o'clock
at
night.
This
is
the
deal
on
this
use.
The
good
news
is
we're
turning
it
into
a
permitted
use.
You
do
not
need
to
go
through
a
public
hearing
for
this.
We
have
decided,
choose
your
use.
We've
decided
the
conditions
under
which
bed
and
breakfasts
are
are
allowed
in
this
neighborhood
and
we're
not
going
to
debate
them
one
at
a
time.
B
You
can
appeal
it
if
you
think
staff
got
it
wrong,
but
the
trend
is
to
say:
if
you
want,
the
clearest
thing
you
can
do
is
to
send
clear
messages
to
the
private
market.
That
says
you
can
do
this,
but
you
got
to
do
it
on
terms
that
make
it
a
good
neighbor
and
contribute
to
our
clinicals.
So
that's
the
second
question:
should
some
c's
turn
into
p's,
it's
a
big
deal.
You
could
go
the
other
way.
You
could
say
no
don.
We
don't
like
any
ps.
B
The
general
threats
in
government
services-
it's
this
open-ended
question,
I
see
a
hand
and
I'll
get
there
in
just
a
second.
Are
there
other
things?
Are
we
missing
something?
Having
put
out
the
two
kind
of
biggest
discussion
things
that
clarion
will
need
to
wade
through
in
terms
of
getting
inside
your
heads
as
to
the
the
thinking
of
this
group?
B
Are
you
no
I'm
just
reviewing
them
we're
going
to
go,
want
to
we're,
I'm
just
reviewing
the
three
questions
and
we'll
take
them
one
at
a
time.
Okay,
sorry.
Those
are
the
three
questions
we're
going
to
draw
your
attention
to,
but
now
you
know
kind
of
why
they're
big
deals
all
right.
First
one
was
this
housing
question
from
a
different
angle.
B
Yes,
you
will
see
some
new
districts
with
creative
housing,
second
part
of
it
which
of
these
should
we
talk
about
integrating
into
some
of
your
existing
zone
districts
or
proposing
that
either
as
permitted
or
permitted
subject
to
limitations
or
conditional
uses,
and
this
is
the
graphic
we
showed
last
time
about
missing
middle
housing
and
I
won't
read
all
of
that
is
duplexes
in
some
places
plexes.
This
is
just
a
typical
you.
B
Housing
triplex's
live
work
which
is
really
kind
of
like
a
townhouse
from
which
you
can
conduct
a
business
on
the
ground
floor,
artisans
people
who
make
things
who
can
afford
to
pay
a
mortgage
on
one
building,
but
not
two
buildings
and
in
some
parts
of
the
city,
increasingly
city,
you're,
saying
that
would
be
a
fine
use.
Yes,
it's
more
than
a
home
occupation,
it's
a
business
and
they're
living
above
the
business
because
they
chose
and
they
built,
or
they
bought
a
building
to
do
that.
That's
another
option.
B
So
these
are
the
things
between
single-family,
home
and
apartment
building,
that
that
is
illustrative
of
the
range
of
things.
Now
we've
been
asked
by
this
group
to
define
affordable
housing
and
for
purposes
of
today's
discussion
and
in
general
with
this
group,
we
recommend
that
the
discussion
be
anything
that's
more
likely
to
be
affordable
than
is
currently
available.
B
B
So
for
purposes
of
today's
discussion,
the
thing
is
not
do,
which
forms
of
deed,
restricted
housing.
Would
you
approve
in
existing
neighborhoods?
The
question
is
which
parts
of
housing
types
of
housing
might
be
good
neighbors
in
those
neighborhoods,
even
if
it
was
indeed
restricted
and
most
cities
are
asking
this
question,
because
the
more
you
can
allow
the
market
to
do
without
subsidies,
the
more
you
can
use
your
subsidies
for
those
who
really
need
it
at
the
bottom
of
the
income
spectrum.
B
How
do
we
know
don
that
this
triplex
would
be
affordable?
You
don't
on
for
purposes
of
today's
discussion.
You
could
say
I'm
only
interested
in
talking
about
that.
If
it's
affordable,
you
don't
really,
but
you
do
know
it's
adding
a
product
that
is
not
currently
allowed,
which
would
loosen
the
market
and
allow
builders
to
build
something
that
would
loosen
up
the
housing
market.
That's
their
most
communities
are
doing
both
the
other
reason
that
we've
done
this
is
that.
B
Well,
we
just
we
go
down
that
road
more,
but
this
comp
I
if
we
want
to
I'd
like
the
ami
or
d
restriction
to
be
a
later
part
of
today's
discussion,
because
don't
confuse
the
two
issues,
one
is:
what
kind
of
housing
would
be
a
good
neighbor,
and
this
is
the
answer
to
that
question
only
if
it's
steep
restricted,
often
in
most
cities,
it's
not.
There
are
two
separate
questions
and
we're
asking
the
first
one.
B
So
here
are
illustrative
pictures
of
some
of
those
types
of
housing
which
are
kind
of
in
between
they're
between
what
you
might
find
downtown
and
what
you
might
find
in
a
neighborhood.
So
let's
actually
I'd
like
to
how
long
have
we
gone
here?
I
don't
know,
I
think
we
thought
would
take
us
longer
to
get
here.
Let's
go
on.
I
want
to
do
the
break
after
we
have.
This
discussion
is
that
okay,
andrea.
B
A
B
B
So
in
terms
of
trends
in
use
regulations,
the
trend
around
the
country
is
to
go
to
fewer,
broader,
more
flexible
categories
of
uses,
and
the
reason
is
because
the
market
can
think
of
these
uses
faster
than
you
can
name
them
and
to
say
what
we're
really
in
many
cases
older
codes
say
we
don't
want
this
here
and
upon
reflection,
the
community
says.
Actually
it
was
the
size
we
were
envisioning
home
depot
turns
out.
B
You
could
have
that
use
at
ten
thousand
square
feet
or
five
thousand
square
feet,
and
it
would
be
a
perfectly
good
neighborhood
hardware
store
well,
it
depends
on
the
scale.
A
bookstore
depends
on.
The
scale
depends
on
whether
it
is
a
category
killer
that
will
overwhelm
the
neighborhood
or
a
little
one
that
would
accommodate
smaller
uses,
and
so
often
newer
codes
say
size
and
scale
is
important,
but
you
can
do
that
through
use
specific
standards.
It's
okay
in
this
district,
if
it's
not
bigger
than
x,
it's
okay
in
this
district.
B
If
it
provides
parking
y,
it's
okay
in
this
district,
if
it
would
do
additional
screening,
because
this
is
a
more
suburban
or
a
lower
density
area,
we're
used
to
more
screening
around
what
we
allow
in
these
places
or
it's
fine
in
this
district,
but
not
if
it
stays
open
late
at
night.
Those
are
just
examples
of
what
gabby
talked
about.
The
graphic
here
is
this.
I
just
want
to
make
this
point.
B
B
So
please,
I'm
just
you
can
think
any
way
you'd
like
to,
but
the
trend
is
to
say
if
your
mind
is
saying,
let's
name
them
all
individually.
I
want
bookstore
names
separate
from
sporting
goods
store
named
separately
from
computer
repair
operation.
That
is
also
not
the
trend
in
the
country.
For
the
reasons
I've
just
said
it
doesn't
work.
It
won't
work
another
one
again,
I'm
building
on
what
I
just
said
limits
on
side,
but
not
within
200
feet
of
a
residential
zone
district.
B
B
This
kind
of
youth,
specific
standard
or
code
standard
that
says
next
to
neighborhoods
read
carefully
because
the
way
we
regulate
it
in
most
cities
is
not
to
make
everything
go
through
a
conditioned
use
process,
but
to
make
it
be
a
better
neighborhood
size,
scale,
hours
of
operation,
etc,
and
so
that
is
a
clear
trend
around
the
country
and
again,
another
trend
which
we
just
wanted
to
mention
is
clean
up
your
regulation.
Excuse
me:
your
definitions,
a
bed
and
breakfast
is
a
bed
and
breakfast.
B
If
you
want
to
say
in
this
district,
it's
limited
to
four
bedrooms.
If
this
district,
you
can
have
eight
bedrooms
in
that
district,
the
owner
has
to
live
on
the
property
in
a
commercial
district.
They
don't
put
those
in
use
specific
standards;
they
don't
have
to
do
with
the
essence
of
a
bed
and
breakfast
they
have
to
do
with
tailoring
it
to
different
parts
of
your
city
and
how
it
becomes
a
good
neighbor
again.
This
is
another
example.
Outdoor
storage
you
can
see.
B
B
I
want
to
focus
on
the
second
issue,
and
I,
if
you
make
everything,
go
to
a
conditional
use.
I'll
just
say
this,
and
you
can
conflict
contradict
me
in
the
discussion.
If
you'd
like
it
tends
to
result
in
builders
asking
for
more
because
they're
afraid
they
will
have
to
give
it
away
in
the
public
negotiation
process,
and
you
turn
what
ought
to
be
a
set
of
fairly
predictable
rules
and
incentives
that
will
lead
you
to
implement
blueprint
boise
into
an
invitation
to
negotiate
everything.
B
Well,
what
do
you
do
when
you're
selling
a
car
and
yeah
you
know
the
guy
who's
buying
it
from
you
is
going
to
offer
you
a
low
ball
figure.
You
raise
your
price
and
you
you
ask
for
a
higher
figure,
knowing
you'll
meet
somewhere
in
the
middle.
You
know
the
the
point
is
it
I
I
don't.
I
will
be
criticized
for
having
said
this,
but
it
tends
to
turn
use
approvals
into
more
of
a
game.
B
B
I
know
that
some
of
you
have
already
weighed
in
on
the
process
and
said
that
you
do
like
negotiation
both
because
of
the
way
idaho
law
is
set
up,
and
otherwise
I
just
want
to
be
clear.
There
are
some
downsides
to
the
current
system
in
boise,
even
given
the
state
of
idaho
law,
and
so
again
your
current
approach
is
unusual.
There
you
use
that
c
in
those
phases
more
than
we
expected
to
see
in
a
middle
size
city
that
doesn't
make
it
wrong.
B
It
just
means
that
your
we
want
you
to
think
about
whether
it
needs
to
be
a
c
or
whether
it
could
be
a
p
with
standards.
Once
again,
the
bottom
bullet
is
also
important.
Unfortunately,
I'm
sorry
to
say
this
when
you
do
conditional
uses
and
there's
a
public
hearing
that
tends
to
put
a
thumb
on
the
scale
in
favor
of
people
who
have
time
to
go
to
hearings,
people
who
do
not
have
a
job
where
they
have
to
clock
in
and
clock
out
and
can't
get
flexibility
to
do
this
again.
B
We're
just
increasingly
aware
of
the
kind
of
unintended
consequences
of
a
lot
of
the
ways
we
run
local
government
in
america,
not
speaking
about
boys
in
particular
that
probably
have
consequences.
We
did
not
intend
and
don't
particularly
want
to
be
associated
with
perpetuating
we'd
like
to
have
believe
the
local
government
was
open
to
all
citizens
to
and
that
they
would
all
be
heard
and
that
we
would
set
it
up
so
that
those
who
have
to
work
nine
to
five
or
evening
shifts
or
two
shifts
could
also
find
a
way
into
the
system.
B
So
that's
all
of
those
are
reasons
why
the
trend
around
the
country
is
to
move
to
permitted
uses
with
standards
when
possible,
rather
than
keeping
as
many
conditional
uses
and
it's
true
of
almost
all
the
clients
we've
worked
with.
It
does
not
have
to
be
true
of
boise,
but
that's
the
trend.
So
I
want
to
point
this
out.
I'm
going
to
show
you
two
clips
and
then
I
think
we
will
take
a
break.
Here's
a
clip
from
the
boise
use
table
a
few
years
ago.
B
This
was
reorganized
so,
as
gabby
said,
it's
organized
like
a
modern
use
table
it's
by
categories,
multi-family
living
it's
a
little
unusual
that
you
have
size
limits
built
into
your
left
hand,
column.
Usually
those
would
not
be
in
a
modern
going.
They
would,
they
would
use
specific
standard
would
say:
hey
seven
units
are
okay
in
this
district
and
only
three
to
six
in
that
district.
B
It
does
not
have
to
be
the
case
in
boise.
You
can
just
plain
disagree,
but
as
cities
have
tried
to
implement
mixed
use,
they
tend
to
say:
why
would
we
make
you
go
through
a
hearing
to
do
housing
in
that
area?
And
there
are
some
answers.
Well,
because
we
don't
get
as
much
taxes,
we
have
to
figure
out
whether
we
can
afford
to
do
it.
B
So
that
is
one
example
and
here's
the
other
example
another
one
in
education.
These
are
civic
and
public
uses
in
boise
and
again
I'm
showing
you
the
same
thing.
This
is
one
reason
why
we
talked
about
mixed
use
activities
centers
last
time,
because
commercial
school
in
a
private
commercial
school
or
a
school
in
or
a
trade
or
vocational
school
in
most
new
york
codes
would
be.
I
used
by
right
in
those
districts,
and
the
question
is
where
what's
special
about
a
trade
or
vocational
school,
that
it
can't
exist
in
a
commercial
district.
B
What
what
is
there
to
talk
about
that?
You
couldn't
have
talked
about
in
the
you
specific
standards
and
said
be
careful.
We
only
want
them
above
the
ground
floor.
We
don't
want
them
to
occupy
more
than
50
of
the
building.
We
don't
want
them
next
to
residential.
We
don't
want
to
operating
late
at
night,
whatever
it
is,
I'm
repeating
myself,
but
those
are
two
examples
about
how,
when
clarion
stares
at
this
and
again
you
are
the
guidance
group,
but
when
we
looked
at
this
code
coming
in
the
door,
we
said
this.
B
This
looks
strange.
This
looks
unusual
in
the
amount
of
conditional
uses
for
things
that
strike
us,
as
our
initial
reaction
was
why
so,
I
think
with
that
I
want
to
here
are
some
examples.
Examples
of
currently
conditioned
uses
typically
permitted
uses,
multi-family
service
station
bed
and
breakfast
medical
research,
animal
hospital,
indoor,
recreation.
You
are
you're
just
used
to
seeing
those
in
your
code
as
as
conditional
and
they're.
Not
usually
so,
let's
go
back
here,
we'll
take
our
break
now,
but
before
we
do
for
people
forget
their
thoughts.
B
A
So
if
anybody
has
questions
or
if
she'd
like
to
share
that
with
the
group,
I
think
that
would
be
a
key
item
and
then
francis
has
also
said
you
know
it
seems
logical
to
convert
the
conditional
use
or
the
c
to
a
permitted
use
a
p
use.
What
would
the
argument
be
to
keep
some
of
the
c
uses
and
then
roberta
ties
on
to
that?
It
would
be
good
to
hear
the
downside
of
conditional
uses
for
developers
and
negotiations
here
as
a
larger
group.
A
So
I
think
it
would
be
good
if
we
could
maybe
go
back
to
the
slide.
That
talked
about
those
three
questions
that
we're
going
to
ask
to
give
everybody
a
really
good
idea
of
what
they're
going
to
be
thinking
about
give
everybody
about
five
minutes
to
think
about
it,
and
then
I'd
like
to
hear
from
shellin
to
really
talk
about.
You
know
the
the
drawbacks
for
conditional
use
permits
from
the
develop
developers
perspective
and
then
don.
A
B
B
B
B
A
A
Ask
the
question
and
then
I
think
we
need
to
hear
from
shelin
and
really
talk
about
the
pros
and
cons
of
conditional
uses,
because
sometimes
that
does
mean
time.
That
sometimes
does
mean
additional
money.
Interest
payments,
those
types
of
things
that
things
get
held
up
in
the
process,
and
I
think
that
that's
an
important
component
for
us
to
evaluate
so
that
we
can
balance
those
competing
interests.
B
So
the
key
question
related
to
this
is
the
second
one
that
conditional
and
permitted
comes
up
in
housing
context
and
it
comes
up
in
the
bottom
question
too.
Are
they
missing
and
if
they're
missing
from
the
boise
code,
should
they
be
promoted
or
conditional?
That
could
be
part,
but
the
key
one
is
the
second
one:
are
they
multi-family
mixed-use
non-residential
uses
that
are
currently
conditional
uses
that
could
be
revised
to
permitted
uses
if
they
were
subject
to
use
specific
standards
to
limit
their
impact
so
shelin?
Would
you
like
to
talk
about
that.
H
Hi
thanks.
I
certainly
didn't
like
prepare
to
talk
about
this.
I
guess
I
put
it
out
there,
so
that's
on
me.
I
was
I
had
a
moment
of
weakness.
I
you
know,
I
guess
I
guess
I
just
wanted
to
to
let
folks,
maybe
who
didn't
know
that
I
mean
at
the
end
of
the
day.
You
know
communities
need
developers
and
sometimes
that's
a
hard
pill
to
swallow,
but
developers
are
the
ones
that
are
taking
risk
and
creating
places
better
for
better
or
for
worse
right,
and
so
it's
up
to
the
community.
H
H
They're,
going
to
be
able
to
have
an
assistant
that
manages
those
applications
and
those
application
fees,
whereas
small
developers
are
going
to
walk
away
at
that
uncertainty,
and
so
I
think
when
you,
when
you
fail
to
provide
an
even
when
you
create
a
lot
of
uncertainty,
you
for
the
developers
developers,
you
create
sort
of
a
lack
of
an
even
playing
field,
and
you
only
get
sort
of
the
developers
that
have
the
the
time
and
money
and
wherewithal
to
go
through
the
uncertainty
of
it.
And
so
it
seems
logical.
H
I
mean
I
guess
I
was
kind
of
looking
through
the
comments
that
if
you
know
what
you
want
in
a
community,
you
should
outline
it
clearly
and
objectively
so
that
you
can
get
any
developer
in
there
to
do
the
right
thing
and
you
shouldn't
negotiate
on
what
you
want
you.
I
guess
you
negotiate
on
what
you
don't
want.
B
So
I
see
hillary
has
her
hand
up,
but
before
we
go
there,
I
would
let
me
respond
from
the
other
perspective
and
say
what
is
the
advantage?
How
could
how
could
this
have
happened,
or
why
would
we
maybe
want
to
keep
more
seeds
in
a
fine
don?
Most
of
these
say,
that's
a
permitted
juice,
but
why
would
we
want
to
make
it
a
condition?
B
So
the
answer
is
there
may
be
things
that
the
community
knows
about
that
property
or
the
impacts
of
that
property
that,
despite
everybody's
best
efforts,
was
not
included
in
the
youth
specific
standards.
We
thought
about
the
things
we
could
think
about.
Those
were
the
things
that
usually
are.
The
community
cares
about.
We
wrote
them
down,
we
told
you,
you
got
to
do
them
and
we
missed
them.
B
We
missed
one
most
communities
say:
yep
people
make
mistakes
in
in
most
communities
these
days
they
say
all
right,
then
annually
we'll
update
the
code
to
kind
of
figure
out
what
we
missed
last
time,
but
it
is,
from
the
neighborhood
point
of
view,
sometimes
important
to
say
yeah,
but
there
are
things
about
this
here
on
this
site.
Given
this
traffic,
given
the
way
I'm
making
this
up,
we
have
asked
for
and
failed
to
get
intersection
improvements
on
that
intersection
which
ought
to
come
into
this
picture.
B
Giving
the
community
an
opportunity
to
come
in
and
give
their
unique
perspectives
about
this
piece
of
property
on
this
corner,
where
I
have
lived
for
many
years
nearby
tends
to
build
faith
in
in
confidence
in
local
government,
but
only
if
the
government
responds
to
that.
So
I'm
just
trying
to
be
very
even-handed
here
and
fair.
The
downside
is
yes
you,
you
do
know
something
unique
about
this,
but
the
conditioning's
process
can
result
in
situations
where
wait
a
minute.
B
B
I
Sure
I
think
shelin
was
probably
referring
to
me
in
that
because
I
do
represent
a
number
of
developers
and
I
have
played
in
this
pool
a
little
bit,
but
I
will
say
that
you
know
from
I.
I
will
echo
what
shelin
said,
which
is
the
more
sophisticated
developers,
the
larger
the
developer,
they're
more,
the
more
willing
they
are
to
push
the
envelope.
They
see
that
c
as
a
way
to
maybe
get
around
can
other
requirements
not
they're,
not
evil,
but
they
they
do.
I
They
are
more
willing
to
push
when
they
see
a
c.
They
also,
they
know
the
process
they're
more
able
to
negotiate,
they
are
more
able
to
absorb
costs,
and
so
that
c
doesn't
frighten
them.
Smaller
developers
are
often
kind
of
worried
about
the
flip
side
when
they
see
that
c
and
it
injects
uncertainty
into
the
process.
What
they're,
also
worried
about
is
what
the
city
might
require
of
them,
and
so
they're
they're
nervous
to
even
start
the
discussion,
because
they
don't
want
the
city
to
come
back
and
you're,
not
evil,
either
andrea.
I
I
promise,
but
they
don't
want
the
city
to
come
back
and
make
more
demands
on
their
property
and
it
so
they
shy
away
from
it.
I
mean
it
just
comes
down
to
how
much
those
parties
have
to
risk
how
much
they
have,
how
much
time,
how
much
money
you
know
and
what
the
perceived
risk
is
and
for
the
sophisticated
developer.
It's
a
minimal
risk
for
the
smaller
developer.
It
is
a
much
much
larger,
perceived
risk
and
I'll
respond
a
little
bit
to
what
don
said.
I
That's
turning
over
things
like
that
conditional
uses
make
some
sense,
because
what
you're
trying
to
do
is
allow
that
community
to
grow
organically,
and
you
don't
want
to
head
off
good
things
from
happening.
So
I
it
does
make
some
sense.
I'm
not
saying
that
conditional
uses
are
bad,
but
the
more
you
have
of
them,
the
more
you
actually
favor,
the
the
larger
developer
and
shrink
your
development
pool
and
the
diversity
of
people
playing
in
that
game.
B
I
put
up
on
the
screen
here,
the
first
the
examples,
visual
examples
of
the
first
question:
if
clarion
is
going
to
think
about
what
kinds
of
additional
housing
diversity
would
be
put
in,
which
of
the
ones
on
the
screen
or
any
others
that
you
are
aware
of
from
your
wildest
dreams
or
your
wildest
fears,
do
you
want
to
be
a
part
of
the
conversation
in
boise?
If
you
want
to
weigh
in
on-
and
I
think
it
should
be
a
permitted
use
and
many
just
go
ahead.
B
B
A
B
Manufactured
home
communities
is
an
area
where
newer
codes
differ
in
a
couple
of
ways.
Yes,
when
manufacturing
open
communities
are
you
have
to
write
some
detailed
standards
to
make
them
turn
out?
Well,
so
yes,
they
can
be
permitted
uses.
Yes,
they
you
always
have
used
specific
standards
to
try
to
make,
because
what
you're
trying
to
do
is
make
the
edges
of
it
a
good
neighbor
while
making
the
internal
part
of
it
function,
and
yet
you
wanna
you
wanna.
Let
the
developer
have
some
creativity
as
to
how
they
do
it
internally.
B
I
will
say
this:
there
are
two
issues
with
manufactured
housing,
communities,
new
ones,
and
I
think
that
was
what
the
comment
was
based
on.
Maybe
they
need
to
be
allowed
in
some
residential
districts
as
a
viable
form
of
new
ones.
It's
hard
for
new
ones
to
happen
just
because
of
land
value,
so
yeah.
We
could
do
that
and
I
don't
discourage
you
from
doing
that
at
all
it's
hard.
We
don't
see
a
lot
of
new
ones
being
done
in
the
west
in
urban
areas.
We
see
more
of
them
in
rural
and
suburban
areas.
B
Secondly,
is
the
old
ones-
and
I
will
just
put
this
out
here-
that's
it's
a
different
question
for,
if
birthday,
increasingly,
cities
are
trying
to
protect
the
old
ones
because
they
realize
they
will
never
level
of
affordability
in
most
manufactured
housing.
Homes
is
so
much
lower
than
anybody
could
put
into
a
new
product
that
they
need
to
protect
them
and
keep
them
from
being
redeveloped,
not
a
conversation
for
another
day.
J
J
A
K
Thank
you,
sorry
about
the
malfunction
before
I'd
like
to.
I
agree
with
ian.
I
think
it's
a
compatibility
issue
most
of
these
housing
types.
I
think
it's
really
up
to
the
designer
and
the
developer
to
demonstrate
compatibility
with
existing
neighborhoods.
I
would
also
love
to
see
duplexes
triplex's
fourplexes
allowed.
We
have
a
lot
of.
We
have
a
lot
of
older
homes
in
you
know,
established
boise
neighborhoods
that
have
demonstrated
that
four
plexes
and
even
six
plexes
in
a
boarding,
boarding,
house,
style
or
small
apartment
conversion
style
already
works
within
the
neighborhood
fabric.
K
K
L
L
So
it's
coming
from
an
r3
resident
here
where
a
single
family
is
allowed
by
right
and
I
wonder,
as
the
city
evolves,
if
that,
if
we
can
ask
the
hard
question,
does
that
make
more
sense
as
a
conditional
use
in
a
zone
like
r3
or
even
ro?
It
seems
like
one
of
the
maybe
strongest
areas
where
we
could
start
turning
the
code
to
encourage
more
density
by
making
single
family
housing
not
prohibited,
but
conditional
in
those
nearest
to
downtown
nearest
to
services.
Urban
neighborhoods.
B
And
by
the
way,
that
is
thank
you
by
the
way.
That
is
something
that
a
number
of
newer
codes
do
is
to
say:
look
we
did
allow
them
they're
legal.
We
need
to
protect
people,
you
don't
want
to
make
people
non-conforming.
So,
for
example,
I'm
just
giving
you
an
example.
There
are
a
number
of
codes
that
say
in
a
higher
density
or
near
downtown
residential
neighborhood
single-family
houses
constructed
on
or
before
the
effective
date
of
this
new
ordinance
are
our
permitted
uses
they're,
not
non-conforming,
but
you
can't
do
new
ones
going
forward.
B
We
can't
have
it
we.
We
need
to
have
more
intensity
near
the
transit
sections
or
near
downtown,
but
we
want
to
be
very
careful
that
everybody
who
owns
a
single
family
house
in
that
area
is
kept
legal.
So
when
they
go
to
the
bank
and
get
a
a
loan
to
to
renovate
their
house-
and
the
bank
says,
are
you
in
compliance
with
zoning?
B
The
answer
is
yes,
you
need
to
be
able
to
say
yes,
if
they
own
the
house,
and
so,
but
I
want
to
point
out
that
if
we
were
to
make
them
conditional
or
prohibited,
but
you've
suggested
conditional,
you
would
always
protect
those
who
have
already
invested
in
those
properties
up
to
the
date
on
which
you
changed.
The.
A
M
Okay,
hi.
I
think
we
really
need
to
be
careful
about
throwing
a
blanket
over
certain
areas
of
housing,
some
like
say,
for
example,
you
know
some
of
these
older
neighborhoods
going
to
be
targeted
because
the
housing
is
older
and
people
want
to
go
in
there
and
knock
a
house
down
and
put
a
four
plex
up
or
a
bunch
of
tall
skinnies.
M
M
These
neighborhoods
are
like
curbed
neighborhoods,
and
you
know
you
knock
down
a
two-car
house
and
you
put
in
three
little
ones,
and
now
you
got
six
cars
trying
to
park
in
front
of
that
and
in
the
neighbor's
yard
I
think
we're
losing
privacy
way
of
life,
and
you
know
just
throwing
a
blanket
over
the
top
of
these
over
these
neighborhoods.
I
think
they're,
lower
income,
neighborhoods.
A
Brad
had
just
mentioned
that
parking
should
be
a
consideration.
Angie
michaels
has
also
reiterated
that
parking
is
one
of
the
biggest
considerations
in
allowing
those
higher
density
uses
in
some
of
those
existing
neighborhoods.
So
we'll
want
to
be
thinking
about
that
parking
standards
will
come
with
module
two,
but
it's
going
to
be
a
key
role
as
we
think
of
module
one
those
permitted
and
allowed
uses.
A
G
Yeah,
okay,
well
parking
just
to
touch
on
that
briefly,
you
know
much
of
our
neighborhood
is
we
have
as
a
neighborhood
supported
limited
parking,
but
it's
very,
very
site-specific.
You
know
if
we
know
it's
by
a
dangerous
intersection
or
whatever,
where
street
parking
is
going
to
be
dangerous.
That's
something!
That's!
That's!
Really!
The
neighbors
need
to
be
a
way
in
on
that.
G
I
believe
in
terms
of
what
I
like
here,
I'm
a
big
fan
of
the
tiny
houses,
because
I
think,
as
they
have
mobility,
especially
for
adus
they
can.
You
know
that
investment
it's
easier
to
make
an
investment
in
something
that's
mobile
right.
If
it
doesn't
work
on
one
property,
you
can
move
it
etc
or
you
can
invest
in
it
or
somebody
else
can
invest
it.
It
can
be
moved
around.
So
that's
one
thing
I
like
in
general,
you
know
I
hear
a
lot
about.
G
You
know
the
changes
that
allow.
You
know
the
organic
types
of
growth.
Now
what
that
means.
That's
harder
to
define,
of
course,
but
you
know
something
that
you
know
how
a
lot
of
these
neighborhoods
traditionally
grew
up.
You
know
which
was
you
know,
owner
contractor
builders
kind
of
thing
now
I
know
that
that's
not
so
common
or
affordable
now,
but
the
scale
the
impact
tended
to
blend
in
more
with
the
surroundings,
and
I
I
really
do
want
to
touch
on
just
for
a
moment.
You
know
I.
G
G
Idaho,
is
you
know
a
dylan
rural
state
and
and
very
very
strong
property
rights?
In
other
words,
it's
very
hard
for
a
city
or
land
use
agency
to
get
what
they
believe
may
be
in
the
public
interest,
for
instance
affordable
units,
so
we
probably
can
never
have,
or
at
least
not
in
the
foreseeable
future.
The
belief
is,
we
can't
have
a
zoning
district
that
will
require
deed,
restricted
units,
I
of
any
kind
of
inclusionary
zoning,
as
that's
called.
G
So
I
I
think
that
was
a
great
explanation
from
sharon
about
and
others
about
how
regulations
can
negatively
impact
the
smaller
developer,
and
especially
when
there's
flexibility
that
flexibility
can
be
exploited
and-
and
I
believe
I
see
we
do
see-
that
a
lot,
but
the
converse
of
that
is
that
the
public's
power,
the
municipalities
power,
is
largely
through
that
negotiation
in
idaho
and
that
isn't
only
about
you
know,
exacting
an
affordable
unit
or
two
in
a
project.
It's
also
about
you
know
many
many
of
the
policies
and
goals
of
the
of
blueprint
boise.
G
If
they're,
not
an
ordinance,
you
know
you'll
hear
a
developer
attorney
very
quickly,
say:
look,
you
know
you
can't.
You
cannot
force
us
to
do
that,
so
it
has
to
be
come
through
a
negotiation.
Maybe
we
can
write
zoning
code
that
that
foresees
many
of
those
things,
and
so
it
is
an
ordinance,
but
I
think
that
that
burden
is
on
us
and
it's
a
big
burden.
So
thank
you.
H
Oh,
I
just
kind
of
going
back
to
those
questions,
co-housing
and
micro
units.
Tiny
homes,
I
think,
are
all
important
ones.
I
also
if
you
could
educate
me
don
or
anyone
else
on
the
call.
Why,
like
the
stacked
flats
and
the
cottage
courtyards
are,
are
not
would
not
be
just
considered
multi-family
like
what's
the
benefit
of
separating
those
uses
out
going
back
to
some
of
those
points
you
made
earlier
about,
trying
to
you
know
trying
to
find
every
a
use,
type
for
every
single
building
type.
H
It
just
seems
hard,
so
I'm
wondering
what
the
benefit
of
that
is
and
then,
and
maybe
I'm
just
missing
it,
and
then
I
guess
the
last
point
someone
mentioned
it
just
sort
of
that
minimum
minimum
density.
I
mean,
I
think,
that
you
know
we
as
a
group
need
to
help
figure
out
where
we
want
density,
and
when
you
hear
about
a
single
family
residence
going
into
r3,
you
know,
I
think,
we've
all
lost
in
a
in
a
town
that
is
facing.
You
know
substantial
substantial
housing
need.
H
H
It
seems
that
people
don't
like
certain
types
of
housing
because
of
form,
and
so
I
just
wonder
if
you
can
make-
and
you
see
it
all
the
time,
especially
in
older
historic
neighborhoods,
you
see
a
single
family
home,
that's
been
converted
and
now
has
six
units,
and
so
why
not
put
three
four
five
units
on
a
single
family
site
if
it
looks
and
feels
like
a
single
family
home?
And
I
guess
I
I
know
that
it
can
be
done,
and
I
just
I
don't
know
if
that's
answers
your
question,
but
those
are
my
thoughts.
B
Let
me
answer
just
a
few
three
or
four
questions.
I
think
I
can
answer
them
in
30
seconds.
Stacked
flats
are
usually
named
separately
because
attached
housing
townhouses
are
usually
a
separate
type
of
housing,
but
they're
limited
to
one
household
per
so
usually
attached.
Housing
town
houses
are
not
considered
multi-family
in
a
code,
but
they
always
until
recently
were
limited
to
one
per
one
household
in
each
attached
product.
B
Now
we're
seeing
thanks
to
affordability,
pressures,
people
putting
like
a
one
floor
under
a
two
floor
and
it
cuts
the
housing
cost,
but
it
in
it's
just
a
new
thing
that
the
market's
doing,
if
you
said
multi-family
people
would
have
a
hard
time.
If
you
said
attached,
housing,
they'd,
say
yeah,
we
got
some
townhouses.
I
understand
that
one.
B
That's
I'm
not
going
to
fight
over
that
one,
but
this
product
of
one
over
the
other
has
parking
impacts,
has
intensity
impact
so
for
at
least
now
it's
being
named
separately,
the
courtyard
is
again
kind
of
a
thing.
If
I
said
multi-family
the
neighborhood
would
say
no,
if
you
said
multi-family
one
and
two
story
around
an
open
space
that
is
open
to
the
street,
that
is
minimum
dimensions
of
x
a
lot
and
by
the
way
you
have
four
of
them
in
your
neighborhood
already
people
might
say.
Oh
more
of
that,
okay,
I
can
do
that.
B
I
just
don't
want
to
open
the
door
to
quote
unquote
multi-family,
but
shell
and
you're
right.
It's
a
matter
of
form.
The
question
is:
do
you
gain
public
confidence
by
defining
the
form
you
don't
have
to
name
it
something
separate
but
sometimes
being
able
to
visualize?
That
form
would
look
like
that
and
I've
seen
that
and
I'm
okay
with
that
makes
the
conversation
easier.
A
D
Okay,
I'll
just
quickly
say
that
I
like
the
idea
of
more
different
kinds
of
housing
in
boise
and
so
allowing
new
things
that
people
can
make
work,
I'm
in
favor
of
and
so
want
to
get
behind
that,
and
then
maybe
just
anticipating
the
other.
The
second
question
so
I'll
take
some
of
my
time.
There
is,
you
know,
generally,
I
think,
having
fewer
conditional
uses
is
better
right.
D
You
know,
I
think
clearly,
there's
a
lot
in
in
crafting
them,
so
that
it
does
meet
our
goals,
but
I
am
of
the
mind
particularly
having
have
watched
someone
the
amount
of
time
the
city
council
spends
on
some
of
these
things.
It's
like
wow
that
like
they
should
have
better
things
to
do
with
their
time.
So
I'm
I'm
all
for
reducing
the
number
of
conditional
use
permits
thanks.
B
Thanks
and
before
we
go,
I
think
we
had
one
more
hand
up,
but
I
forgot
to
answer
one
thing
for
sheldon:
yes,
some
nor
some
newer
codes
do
include.
Multi,
excuse
me
minimum
densities,
particularly
in
activity
centers
and
around
transit
investments.
On
the
basis
that
you
know
this
is
a
big
public
investment.
B
We,
we
can't
have
this
kind
of
investment
serving
very
low
numbers
of
people,
it's
just
not
good
governance,
and
so
that
we're
seeing
that
more
and
more
when
I,
when
I
wrote
these
codes
15
years
ago,
nobody
enforced,
multifamily
or
even
wrote
it
down.
Now
most
codes
do,
but
they
apply
it
limited.
They
apply
it.
B
Where
there's
a
justification,
because
of
usually
because
of
investments
that
have
been
made,
that
that
need
were
made
based
on
the
fact
that
it
will
increase
mobility
for
people
that
need
additional
mobility
and
if
you're
spreading
that
over
very
few
people,
it
doesn't
make
much
sense
to
have
spent
that
kind
of
money.
So.
A
N
Okay,
I
very
much
support
all
of
these
ideas
for
increasing
the
housing,
diversity
and
more
housing
types
in
our
currently
existing
neighborhoods
and
and
like
daniel
just
mentioned.
I
also
support
lowering
the
number
of
things
that
require
a
conditional
use
permit.
I
really
want
to
add
some
comments
to
what
we
heard
from
brad
earlier.
One
of
his
concerns
was
targeting
perhaps
some
of
the
older,
less
expensive
neighborhoods
that
have
affordable
housing
for
this.
N
N
I've
heard
in
our
previous
chats
and
I've
heard
again
today
is
a
desire
to
spread
this
out
throughout
the
whole
city,
not
just
in
specific
areas
so
like,
for
example,
the
north
end
where,
where
I
live,
is
very
expensive
and
it's
at
this
time
relatively
desirable,
and
if
we
made
it
possible
to
put
more
homes
in
here,
the
incentive
for
a
developer.
To
do
so
would
do
so.
N
So
I
strongly
support
making
it
not
targeted
toward
a
specific
neighborhood,
but
allowing
these
options
throughout
the
whole
city,
and
that
also
kind
of
diminishes
the
rate
of
change
and
will
help.
You
know,
make
it
less
dramatic
and
make
people
more
comfortable
with
allowing
more
housing
options
throughout
our
city.
B
Patrick,
if
I
could
I
thank
you,
I
think
it's
very
helpful
comment.
What
I
think
I
heard
brad
say
was
not
that
this
would
target
those
neighborhoods,
but
that
if
you're,
not
careful
once
you
open
up
alternatives,
the
market
will
go,
buy
those
lower
income
houses
first,
because
that's
where
the
quick
flips
and
the
quick
additional
monies.
So
it's
it's
it's
worth
considering.
B
Not
just
can
we
write
neutral
language,
but
what
do
we
think
the
market
is
going
to
do
in
response
to
these
new
opportunities?
And
there
are
some
newer
codes
that
have
been
written.
That
say,
you
can
do
this
in
general,
but
not
in
some
neighborhoods,
because
we
are
afraid
of
what
will
happen
in
in
hurting
those
neighborhoods
or
frankly,
pouring
gas
on
gentrification.
B
You
know,
if
you're
an
investor,
you
would
go
there
first,
and
that
is
not
what
we
had
hoped
to
happen
out
of
this,
but
that
still
leaves
a
lot
of
room
for
what
you
said,
patrick
for
spreading
it
out
over
a
variety
of
neighborhoods.
But
it's
worth
keeping
your
eye
on
the
ones
that
you're
you're
worried
about
how
the
market
will
respond
to
this
new
opportunity.
N
Not
to
have
too
much
of
a
rebuttal
but
a
point
of
confusion
for
me:
isn't
there
more
demand
to
live
in
a
place
that
is
more
expensive
and
one
of
the
market
respond?
If
you
allow
that
demand
to
be
satisfied
relatively
aggressively,
because,
by
definition
the
more
expensive
spots
have
more,
you
know
more
demand
to
live
there.
B
Yes,
if
they
can
afford
to
pay
those
rents,
but
if
they
can't,
then
the
problem
with
affordability
is
a
lot
of
people
can't
afford
to
live.
I
live
in
a
nice
neighborhood
in
denver.
In
theory,
den
could
denver
could
say,
convert
all
these
to
fourplexes,
but
the
cost
of
doing
so
and
the
cost
of
buying
the
house
to
do.
It
means
that
that
would
be
so
expensive
that
guests
like
to
live
in
this
neighborhood.
B
They
can't
afford
to
live
in
this
neighborhood,
even
with
four
plexes
instead
of
one,
and
so
we
don't
have
to
get
back
and
forth.
But
that's
that's
you're
right.
There
is
more
demand,
but
it's
gonna
cost
you
more
to
live
there
and
a
lot
of
people
don't
have
that
kind
of
money,
so
they
gotta
live
in
some
other
neighborhood,
where
this
type
of
use
is
allowed.
So.
A
All
right,
I
think,
let's
go
back
up
through
the
comments,
just
to
make
sure
that
we've
got
everybody,
because
we
have
a
really
great
group
today
with
lots
of
comments,
so
we
ultimately
heard
from
marissa
and
patrick
with
the
manufactured
home
communities
roberta
talks
about.
She
went
back
to
our
jam
boards
and
kind
of
looked
at
some
of
our
group
values.
A
Looking
at
sustainability,
mixed
uses,
affordability
were
all
phrases
that
were
used
and
her
concern
is.
Are
we
asking
too
much
of
zoning
regulations
and
developers
are
going
to
come
and
in
her
ideal
world
she'd
like
to
see
it
balanced
to
where
the
values
that
we
share
are
amongst
developers
and
the
existing
people?
A
A
Unfortunately,
I
think
sometimes
we
use
the
conditional
use
permitting
standards
for
so
many
various
things
we
use
it
for
height
exceptions.
We
use
it
for
drive-throughs,
we
use
it
for
things.
You
know
just
a
use
that
probably
should
be
allowed.
So
in
some
cases
just
based
on
density.
We
require
conditional
use
permits.
So
I
don't
know
that
we
know
really
the
origination
on.
Was
it
intended
to
disincentivize
or
what
that
was.
I
don't
really
know
we
do
have
chris.
He
talks
about
that.
A
He
believes
that
it
would
be
helpful
to
allow
flexible
housing
options
such
as
in-law
suites,
so
adus,
as
well
as
permitting
things
like
tiny
houses
or
tiny
house
communities
on
single
lots.
Even
an
existing
residential
neighborhoods
patrick
proposed
that
we
allow
duplexes
and
triplexes
on
most
of
the
lots
across
the
city.
A
Shellin
stated
that
live
work,
small
units
and
co
housing
come
to
mind
as
units
that
we
should
encourage.
Why
would
courtyard
apartments
or
stacked
flats
be
different
than
multi-family,
and
I
think
that
don?
I
think
you
touched
on
that
a
little
bit
when
you
talked
about
the
difference
between
townhouses
versus
stacked
flats
marissa
says
within
existing
neighborhoods,
tiny
houses,
cottage
and
courtyard
live
work.
A
Units
in
some
of
the
zones
should
be
allowed
richard
has
he
really
wants
to
evaluate
the
larger
issue
of
the
legal
limits
and
the
municipal
powers
that
idaho
gives
the
city
related
to
conditional
use
permits?
So
maybe
we
need
to
revisit
that
shelin
talks
about
seeing
adus
and
fourplexes
allowed
in
all
of
the
residential
zones.
A
Then
we
also
we
talked
about
parking.
Then
we
have
esther
saying
that
she
lives
on
a
street
with
single
family
homes
and
duplex
structures
sold
as
townhouses.
I
support
the
various
types
of
housing
options
displayed
on
the
slide.
I
do
believe
stacked
flats
similar
to
ian
and
drew
need
to
conform
to
the
neighborhood.
I
think
this
can
be
remedied
through
the
design
review
process
or
even
maybe
going
through
some
of
those
required
standards
that
we
talked
about.
B
B
Naturally,
according
affordable
housing
is
almost
always
more
affordable
than
the
new
housing
that
replaces
it,
and
so,
if
you
have
neighborhoods
where
that
is
existing,
you
could
have
restrictions
based
on
the
age
of
the
housing
or
based
on
a
mapped
area
and
and
say
guys,
I'm
throwing
this
out
in
response
to
andrew's
question.
It
is
not
a
recommendation
for
the
city
of
boise,
but
I'm
surprised
more
cities
have
not
come
in
and
said.
B
You
know
what
we
got
a
neighborhood
here
that
is
now
highly
affordable,
but
for
people
buying
houses
to
flip
them
or
pop
the
tops
or
scrape
them
and
put
more
on
it.
We're
going
to
limit
the
amount
by
which
existing
houses
need.
It
may
be
expanded
or
replaced
in
this
neighborhood,
which
I
think
in
most
states
you
could
do.
You
could
say,
look
there's
a.
We
don't
want
this
area
to
be
a
playground
for
speculation.
B
Yet,
whatever
happens
in
the
name
of
affordable
housing
is
going
to
be
a
lot
less
affordable.
What
is
that
there?
The
only
way
to
really
do
that
is
to
discourage
people
from
buying
the
old
housing
for
its
redevelopment
potential,
and
there
is
legal.
There
are
legal
tools
to
do
it.
In
all
honesty,
very
few
cities
have
used
that
tool,
but
I
won't
belabor
it,
but
that
it
is
possible.
A
A
A
Let's
see
ben
zamzo
said
that
he
supports
form
restricted,
duplex
and
triflex
as
allowed
uses
in
our
existing
residential
zones.
Missing
middle
options
that
do
not
match
the
form
of
an
existing
neighborhood
in
regard
to
height
or
density
should
be
encouraged,
near
transit
lines
and
serve
as
the
buffer
between
commercial
and
residential
uses
to
create
that
demand
for
mass
transit.
A
A
So
I
think
harris
ranch,
barber
valley,
those
are
all
specific
zones.
They
almost
have
their
own
code,
that's
written
specifically
for
them
that
that
designate
different
types
of
uses
setbacks
those
types
of
things,
so
those
are
specific
areas.
Actually,
I
think,
would
be
exempt
from
this
unless
we
were
to
look
at
it
differently,
but
that
would
that
would
take
quite
the
political
aptitude
to
do
that.
B
Well,
let
me
yeah
that
that
it
could
be
just
exempt
from
it
andrea,
but
in
in
a
number
of
cities-
and
I
know
harris
ranch-
is
in
those
three
districts
are
kind
of
codes
into
themselves.
They
could
be
exempted.
There
are
other
cities
that
just
make
them
subject,
but
then
the
homeowner's
covenants,
the
homeowners,
enforce
the
covenant
so
that,
even
if
the
city
says
it's
okay,
it
doesn't
override
the
neighbor's
ability
to
say
no.
It's
not
okay.
A
B
M
M
If
somebody
wanted
to
build
a
four
plex
or
you
know,
stacked
flat
or
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
or
even
a
tiny
house,
I
don't
think
we're
taking
into
consideration
the
people
that
have
lived
in
these
areas
and
I
don't
and
again
I'm
not
saying
we're
going
to
target
certain
areas
and,
as
dawn
said,
you
know,
the
money's
gonna
go
where
they
can
be
afforded
and
you're
not
gonna.
They're,
not
gonna,
allow
this
kind
of
stuff
in
spurwing
or
you
know,
harrison
ranch.
M
I
mean
this
kind
of
stuff,
you
know,
there's
money
there
and
there's
money
protecting
those
areas
again,
these
older
communities,
these
older
areas,
south
boise,
they're,
gonna,
get
attacked.
And
you
know
people
don't
want
that
next
door
to
their
single
dwelling.
You
know,
so
we
got
to
be
really
careful.
What
we're
doing.
E
Yeah,
thank
you,
so
I
just
wanted
to
get
back
to
the
sort
of
zoning
versus
transit
kind
of
thing
and
think
about.
I
don't
know
if
this
is
a
question
that
can
easily
be
answered
or
if
it's
just
something
or
something
we
can
easily
address,
and
I'm
not
exactly
sure
which
question
it
answers
or
if
it's
related
to
all
of
them,
but
thinking
about
like
mixed-use
zoning
and
thinking
about
where
we're
placing
things
like
denser
residential
units,
mixed-use
residential
commercial.
E
What
are
ways
that
we
can
try
to
sort
of
align
that
with
the
future
of
transit.
So
currently
our
transit
system
is
crap.
We
have
a
very
limited
transit
system.
It
doesn't
really
operate
in
as
many
areas
as
it
should.
It
doesn't
operate
as
many
times
as
it
should,
but
there
are
surveys
going
out
now.
There's
talk
of
light
rail
in
20
years
time.
How
do
we
make
our
code
address
those
sort
of
future
issues
of
transit
and
sort
of
encourage
this
denser
planning
along?
What
we
expect
will
be
those
transit
routes.
B
B
The
federal
government
takes
into
account
how
serious
you
are
about
creating
an
environment
that
will
create
sustainable
transit
as
they
give
out
their
very
limited
funds.
So
when
we
wrote
the
indianapolis
code,
bigger
city,
but
that's
exactly
why
they
wanted
to
do
it,
they
wanted
to
prove
to
the
federal
government
that
they
were
serious
by
creating
zone
districts
and
mapping
them
where
they
had
already
planned
for
transit.
B
L
B
L
I
just
wanted
to
bring
up,
and
we
don't
have
to
talk
about
it
too
much
today,
but
my
day
to
day
is
over
at
boise
state
and
I
think,
there's
probably
some
uses
that
aren't
encode
now
residential
type
uses
that
we
may
want
to
talk
about.
There's
a
lot
of
evolution
in
some
of
the
neighborhoods
have
been
happening
near
campus,
where
homes
are
being
built.
That
are,
I
think,
truly
unique
where
bathroom
counts
may
outnumber
bedroom
counts
and
it's
structured
for
student
style
living.
L
We've
spent
a
lot
of
time
with
the
city
cody,
as
you
know,
talking
about
the
university's
area
of
influence.
So
as
this
moves
forward,
maybe
that's
a
topic
we
could
spend
a
little
bit
more
time
on
is
if
there
are
university-specific
uses
that
the
code
may
benefit
from
having
the
only
other
thing
I
wanted
to
say,
is
kind
of
a
response
to
what
brad
said.
L
The
only
reason
I
said
what
I
did
about
r3
is
that
it
was
a
conscious
decision
of
mine
purchasing
a
home
there
years
and
years
ago,
knowing
that
it
wouldn't
always
be
that
way,
and
I
had
to
go
in
with
an
open
mind
that
what
might
be
next
door
to
me
in
the
future
would
be
very
different
than
the
product
that
I
purchased.
So
I
think
it's
a
bit
of
a
preserving
with
compatibility,
but
also
an
awareness
of
proximity
and
location
with
the
single
family.
I
Thanks
andrea,
I
wanted
to
also
address
brad's
comment
and
echo
drew's
a
little
bit.
I
I
don't
think
that
we,
I
don't
want
to
come
off
as
demonizing
single-family
housing
at
all,
because
I
think
for
most
people
that
that
would
be
the
dream
right.
I
mean
that's,
that's
the
goal,
that's
what
a
lot
of
people
would
like
to
obtain
and
they
they
spend
a
lot
of
time
and
effort
and
money
trying
to
build
that
nest
egg
and
build
that
home
and
and
create
that
sense
of
community.
So
I
don't.
I
I
don't
want
to
discount
that
I
just
I.
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
we
have
the
the
market
has
dictated
to
boise
recently
and
the
surrounding
areas
is
that,
given
the
land
prices
and
housing
prices
that
single-family
housing
isn't
going
to
solve
our
affordability
and
our
people
problem.
So
we
have
this
issue
where
we
have
to
house
people
and
while
we'd
love
to
do
a
single-family
housing.
I
And
how
do
you
make
that
development
easier
and
incentivize
it
in
some
areas,
while
still
trying
to
protect
some
other
areas?
And
you
know,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
one
of
the
one
of
the
benefits
out
there
of
having
something
like
a
conditional
use
is
to
protect
some
of
those
areas
and
to
protect
some
of
those
buffer
zones
where
it
doesn't
necessarily
make
sense
to
densify
so
quickly
or
at
all.
B
B
B
We
we
need
to
be
careful,
I
I
don't
know
brad
personally,
I
I
only
know
him
through
this
process,
but
I
will
know
that
I've
written
a
led
projects
to
rewrite
a
number
of
development
codes
around
the
country.
I
do
not
want
to
pre.
I
don't
want
to
presume
that.
I
know
how
this
is
going
to
come
out.
I
don't
it's
a
process,
we
work
it
through.
We
put
drafts
on
the
table,
we
talk
about
it.
Is
it
tailored
enough?
Is
it
going
to
have
unintended
consequences?
B
Does
it
allow
enough
diversity
without
upsetting
people,
but
there
in
almost
every?
Let's
not
talk
boise
in
almost
every
city,
I've
worked
with.
There
is
a
large
and
often
largely
silent
group
of
homeowners,
who
will
become
very
vocal
later
later
in
the
process.
If,
if
the
process
does
not
respect
the
desires,
these
strongly
felt
desires
of
people
with
single
family
housing
in
single-family
neighborhoods,
who
want
limited
change
in
their
neighborhoods.
If
at
all,
we
ignore
that
perspective
at
our
peril.
That
is
that
it
it's
real.
B
I
Yeah
and
not
to
jump
in
I
I
do
apologize.
If
my
comments
came
off
like
that,
because
I
I
don't
I
I
I
completely
agree
that
brad
is
definitely
not
alone
in
his
feeling
about
this
I
mean
this
has
been
vocalized
and
it's
being
vocalized.
A
lot
in
boise
people
are,
are
feeling
the
pain
of
growth
and
they're,
feeling
it
in
their
taxes
and
they're
feeling
it
with
what's
coming
in
next
to
them
and
they're
feeling
it
being
priced
out
of
things.
I
I
mean
there
are
a
lot
of
pain
points
here
and
I
brad
I
did
not
mean
to
discount
anything
that
you
said
at
all.
It's
it's
just.
I
think
I'm
glad
we're
having
this
discussion,
because
we
are
going
to
have
to
take
a
scalpel
a
bit
to
some
of
the
areas
and
figure
out
where
this
makes
sense
and
where
it
doesn't,
because
it
probably
makes
sense
in
some
areas-
and
you
know
others-
we're
gonna
have
to
be
more
delicate
about
well.
B
B
A
O
Am
can
you
hear
me
yeah
great?
I
just
had
a
question.
That's
maybe
jumping
back
a
bit,
but
you
were
talking
about
naturally
occurring,
affordable
housing
and
you
had
mentioned
on
sort
of
some
tools
that
may
or
may
not
be
reasonable
here,
but
that
you've
seen
or
that
you
know
you
wondered
why
they
weren't
used
more
often
elsewhere.
O
B
P
P
You
know
I
look
at
tiny
house
villages
and
I
think
about
the
different
areas
that
I
have
been
to
throughout
the
city,
where
we
have
trailer
parks
and
the
city's
not
approving
trailer
parks,
at
least
not
in
the
20
close
to
20
years.
I've
been
attending
planning
and
zoning
activities,
and
so
you
know
we
talk
about
the
missing
middle.
I
look
at
the
tiny
house
village
option
and
how
different
is
that
from
a
potential
trailer
park
set
up?
P
B
A
All
right
just
to
give
us
some
guidance.
We
have
about
11
minutes
left
in
the
meeting.
We
were
going
to
leave
the
last
10
minutes
for
any
guests
that
we
have,
but
we
don't
have
any
guests.
So
we
get
to
use
that
for
some
really
good
quality
discussion
and
to
be
able
to
continue
on.
I
think
question
number
one:
are
there
new
types
of
housing
that
should
be
allowed
and
permitted
or
conditional
uses
in
some
districts
to
promote
affordability?
A
I
think
we've
gotten
there,
but
then
the
next
question
is:
are
there
multi-family,
mixed
use
or
non-residential
uses
that
are
currently
listed
as
conditional
uses
that
could
be
revised
to
permitted
uses
if
they
were
subject
to
use
specific
standards
that
actually
limit
their
impact
and
roberta?
In
our
comments
section
has
said
you
know
don?
Is
there
an
example
of
what's
allowed
that
we
may
want
to
consider
not
allowing
in
the
future
she's
trying
to
wrap
her
head
around
all
of
this?
So
if
you
could
help.
B
That's
interesting,
I
can
give
you
part
of
an
answer
on
that
as
we
draft
the
youth
regulations
and,
frankly,
gabby
and
I
are
trying
to
frame
it,
we
haven't
done
it
now
because
we've
mentioned,
but
as
we're
framing
it
one
thing
we
will
bring
back
is
we
think
the
following
types
of
uses
are
shouldn't
be
included
because
they're
obsolete?
Basically
they
don't
happen
anymore
and
you're
still
listing
them
and
they
should
go
up
because
they're
about
or
it's
unusual
to
find
this
use
allowed
in
that
district.
B
Now
most
of
my
setup
was:
why
aren't
you
allowing
this
use
in
this
district?
But
there
are
cases
where
we
may
come
back
and
say:
that's
it's.
It's
kind
of
strange
to
allow
that
use
in
that
kind
of
a
district.
So
we
will,
in
terms
of,
is
there
a
use
that,
as
we
write
codes,
is
there
an
example
of
something
that
should
be
eliminated
other
than
what
I
just
said?
It's
obsolete.
B
You
should
not
allow
it
in
your
community
because
now,
having
said
that,
there
are,
we
sometimes
get
people
coming
in
and
saying:
we've
had
a
really
bad
experience
with
the
asphalt
batch
plant
and
we
don't
want
it
anymore,
but
I
have
not.
We
don't
have
a
list
of
those
things
that
apply
to
boise
that
I
would
be
ready
to
talk
about
today.
A
A
If
you
look
at
the
jump
times
so
the
trampoline
facilities,
they
need
to
have
the
taller
ceiling
structures,
so
they're
not
allowed
in
the
in
the
commercial
zone,
but
they
need
those
industrial
heights
and
so
but
they're
actually
prohibited
uses
in
those
industrial
areas,
because
that
area
is
preserved
for
those
manufacturing
sites.
That's
so
important
for
a
city
to
work.
So
we
see
that
often
you
should
you
know.
Trampoline
uses
be
allowed
in
the
commercial
areas.
A
We
also
sometimes
see
some
smaller
contractors
office.
They
don't
have
the
heavy
machinery,
the
vehicle
storage.
We
have,
you
know,
electricians,
sometimes
one-man,
plumbers
or
painters
that
need
small
office
space.
They
don't
like
that
larger
industrial
feel,
but
they're
only
allowed
in
that
industrial
area.
So
do
those
belong
so
be
thinking
about
some
of
those
uses
too
to
see,
if
there's
anything
that
you
guys
have
thought
about
or
you've
come
across
over
time
that
hey.
A
G
Yeah,
thank
you
just
quickly.
So
just
we
were
talking
about
you
know
the
western
part
of
our
neighborhood
out
by
old
horseshoe
bend
road
in
general,
our
neighborhood.
You
know
it
kind
of
evolved,
a
lot
of
small
farms
that
were
kind
of
divided
up,
but
people
typically
had
multiple
occupations,
a
lot
of
the
kinds
of
occupations
you
just
talked
about,
and
then
this
alluded
to
earlier.
G
I
was
talking
about
grandfathered
in
so
a
lot
of
that
has
now
been
zoned
as
r1c,
and
yet
it's
almost
I
mean
it's
extremely
common
to
have
both
small
agriculture.
You
know
chickens
running
down
the
street
shops
houses
built
as
shops,
it
just
simply
doesn't
fit.
You
know
what
our
our
our
notion
of
r1c
is
right
now.
I
believe-
and
these
are
grandfathered
in
for
the
most
part,
but
starting
to
get
contentious
and
problematic
in
my
neighborhood,
because
you
know
if
somebody
wants
to
remodel
or
you
know
whatever.
A
Thanks,
let's
go
with
brad
and
then
followed
by
kelly
and
we're
going
to
be
restricted
by
time,
but
I
don't
want
people
to
feel
like
they
didn't
have
a
chance
to
comment
because,
just
like
we
did
with
the
last
meeting
we're
going
to
send
you
a
follow-up
survey.
It's
going
to
have
these
exact
three
questions,
and
it's
going
to
allow
you
to
think
about
things
more.
If
you'd
like
to
speak
with
individuals
that
you
communicate
or
work
with
regularly
that's
going
to
give
you
that
opportunity
and
that
time
to
do
that.
M
M
M
You
know
other
other
forms
of
housing
there,
but
the
parking's
out
of
control
there.
So
it's
made
a
mess
of
that
neighborhood.
One
of
the
things
I
would
like
you
know
to
be
part
of
something
like
that
is
to
is
to
accommodate
the
the
travel.
You
know,
bus
lines
whatever
it
takes
to
you
know
to
move
traffic
through
areas
like
that,
so
where
they
don't
have
to
have
all
the
cars,
maybe
yeah
thanks
again.
A
Q
Q
I
live
in
the
west,
downtown
neighborhood,
we
are,
you
know,
close
we're
kind
of
a
transitional
neighborhood.
You
know
from
the
dense
city,
urban
area
to
the
more
residential
area
and
we're
a
mix
of
like
r3,
c2,
pc
and
ro
zoning,
and
that
that
what
you
expressed,
that
is
the
biggest
concern.
That's
what
I
hear
in
every
neighborhood
meeting
is:
is
homes
being
torn
down
with
inappropriate.
You
know
homes
that
are
you
know
too
tall
or
don't
fit
in
with
the
neighborhood,
and
you
know
I.
Q
I
do
think
that
the
in
in
writing
the
code
and
so
forth
talking
about
scale.
You
know
the
appropriateness
for
the
neighborhood
to
make
sure
you
know
one
of
the
things
that's
unique
about
our
neighborhood.
Is
we
don't
have
cutouts
for
driveways
there's
parking
in
the
back?
That's
you
know:
there's
been
proposed
developments
where
they
wanted
to
change
it
to
where
there's
parking
in
the
front
that
sort
of
thing,
so
those
are
elements
that
that
the
neighbors
you
know
that
we
talk
about
that
they're
concerned
about
that
are
built
into
you
know.
Q
I
I
don't
know
if
we
could
put
that
in
the
code,
but
things
that
they
express
that
are
concerned
about
wanting
to
keep
those
types
of
elements
keeping
it.
You
know
pedestrian,
friendly
and
bicycle
friendly
and
so
forth,
and
you
know
in
our
neighborhood
it
is
transitional,
probably
about
a
third
of
the
homes
in
our
housing
stock
are
currently
rentals.
Q
Where
I
mean
quite
frankly,
a
lot
of
the
property
owners
have
let
them
go
derelict
and
our
neighbors
are
waiting
like.
When
is
this
going
to
be
torn
down?
And
you
know
three
or
four
story
tall
skinny
something's
going
to
be
put
in
it,
and
so
that
that
is
a
huge
fear
and
and
one
that
I
think
don.
You
are
correct,
there's
a
silent
majority
of
people.
Q
A
B
Oh,
I
have
a
couple
final
thoughts
and
no
only
that
it's
been
a
great
conversation.
I
I'm
I'm.
You
know
I'm
impressed
with
everybody.
You
know
not
only
being
willing
to
express
themselves,
but,
but
obviously
it
goes
without
saying
treating
everybody
else
in
the
conversation
courteously
and
acknowledging
the
value
of
what
they're
saying
and
so
to
be
honest,
there
are
many
places
that
could
not
have
this
conversation
and
I've
been
in
places
that
cannot
have
this
conversation.
So
I'm
pleased
I'm
very
pleased
at
that.
B
I
want
to
point
out
what
the
way
this
is
structured.
We
lengthened,
as
we
said
a
couple
meetings
ago,
the
timeline
for
this
drafting
because
we
know
gabby
and
I
know-
and
I
think
andrea
and
her
staff
know
that
and
mark
when,
as
we
try
to
put
in
writing
the
general
directions
and
the
emotions
that
we
have
heard
and
the
desires
here,
we're
going
to
face
some
tough
choices
and
we're
so
the
next
meeting
in
march.
You
won't
see
a
draft
of
this.
B
You
will
see
a
framed
shorter
list
of
perhaps
more
challenging
questions
that
come
out
of
this.
You
said
you
wanted
a
mix
of
maybe
careful
integration
in
the
neighborhoods.
We
have
a
group,
a
substantial
group
of
people
who
are
very
skittish
of
change,
a
lot
of
advocates
who
want
more
change.
We
have
new
use
new
districts,
existing
districts,
we've
got
the
conditional
versus
permitted
uses.
B
We've
got
the
collapsing
of
use
categories,
we're
not
going
to
put
a
draft
on
the
table,
we're
going
to
draw
you
into
a
a
deeper
discussion
of
the
ones
that
have
gabby
and
I
and
maybe
andrea
and
deanna,
and
diane
scratching
our
heads.
Okay.
If
we
frame
this
question
in
a
different
or
better
way,
could
we
draw
them
out
further
on
their
reactions
to
these
particular
challenging
things
and
then,
in
april
put
a
draft
on
the
table,
so
we
deliberately
built
in
march
to
say:
we've
been
listening
carefully.
B
B
A
Just
following
some
of
the
chat
comments
and
we
were
asked
people
had
said:
hey
brad
and
kelly
brought
up
some
examples.
People
would
actually
like
to
go.
Take
a
look
at
those
to
see.
You
know
hey
what
is
wrong
with
those
and
what
we
could
do
better
and
then
it's
also
been
recommended
that
maybe
there's
some
good
examples
that
are
out
there
for
those
people
to
visit
as
well.
A
B
And
let
me
I
will
say
one
more
thing
since
I
gave
up
the
floor
and
I'll
take
it
back
for
a
minute.
I
do
think
we've
had
a
good
suggestion.
We
really
do
need
to
address
this
issue
under
idaho
law.
How
important
is
negotiation
and
how
much
of
that
could
be
written
into
the
code
and
and
be
built
in
as
it
is
in
many
other
states,
because
now
you're
not
making
it
up
you're,
not
extracting
it
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
B
B
Two
several
comments
here
are
about
parking
parking's,
not
module
one,
but
we
need
to
talk
about
it
and
we
need
to
frame
a
good
discussion
of
that
when
we
get
to
module
two
and
and
gabby,
and
I
need
to
kind
of
try
to
roll
that
into
our
heads
as
we're
doing
this
part
of
it.
But
we
we
have
to
do
this
in
sequence,
parking
has
come
up
with
something
that
needs
to
be
addressed
in
a
thoughtful
way.
Just
as
today's
conversation
was
a
thoughtful
conversation
thanks.
A
All
right,
well
I'd
like
to
thank
everybody
for
coming.
I
will
go
ahead
and
compile
our
minutes
and
get
those
sent
out
to
you
and,
like
I
said,
we'll
go
ahead
and
have
a
link
to
a
survey
for
you.
So
if
you
have
something
that's
keeping
you
up
at
night
or
if
you
have
a
final
thought
that
comes
to
you
at
a
later
time,
that's
okay!
You
haven't
missed
your
opportunity,
so
be
standing
by
we'll
be
sending
that
information
out
to
you
shortly
and
then
we'll
see
everybody
on
march
18th.
F
M
K
A
K
M
M
It's
the
charter
point
apartments
that
have
a
problem:
there's
a
newer
apartment
building
the
easton
village,
which
is
directly
on
the
corner.
They
actually
did
a
good
job
there
I
mean
there's
nothing
on
the
road,
but
if
you
go
to
the
older
area,
that
charter
point
up,
maple
grove
up
to
the
there's
a
feed
lot
up
there
at
the
end
of
maple
grove,
yeah.