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From YouTube: Citywide Advisory Committee Meeting #4 - 01/21/2021
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The fourth Citywide Advisory Committee Meeting for the Zoning Code Rewrite for the City of Boise.
A
B
B
B
One
of
our
citywide
advisory
committee
members
got
a
job
calling
and
so
nicole
windsor
has
relocated
to
cleveland
ohio,
which
means
that
she
had
to
resign
from
our
city-wide
advisory
committee.
However,
we
do
have
some
exciting
news
and
we'd
like
to
welcome
kelly
tag
to
the
citywide
advisory
committee
member.
As
a
committee
member,
she
was
selected
by
mayor
mclean
and
she'll
be
joining
us
from
here
on
out.
B
B
B
B
A
B
With
us
maria
week,
so
we
have
a
lot
of
city
staff
here
and
then
we
also
have
our
consulting
staff
with
us
as
well.
So
I'd
like
to
introduce
don
elliott
from
clarion
associates,
gabby
hart
from
clarion
and
associates,
and
then
we
also
have
diane
krishlan,
which
is
a
local
representative
part
of
the
consulting
team
but
she's
actually
with
krishnan
associates.
B
So
we've
got
quite
the
team
here
which
tells
you
how
important
the
zoning
code
rewrite
is
as
we
kick
off.
We've
got
a
lot
of
stuff
on
our
plate
today,
but
I
do
want
to
just
bring
to
everybody's
attention
that,
as
part
of
your
agenda,
I
have
continued
to
include
the
city's
vision,
mission
and
strategic
priorities.
B
So
that
can
also
help
guide
all
of
us
in
our
discussions
and
our
decisions.
And
then
I
also
included
the
role
of
the
zoning
code,
rewrite
citywide
advisory
committee
as
well
as
those
rules
of
engagement.
So
so
we
can
revisit
those
make
sure
that
we
are
up
to
date
with
each
one
of
those
as
we
move
forward.
B
They
have
a
high
capacity
transit
service
survey
that
is
available
and
it
talks
about
different
types
of
high
capacity
transit
that
could
be
available
over
time
and,
as
we
know,
transportation
and
land
use
play
an
integral
role
with
one
another,
and
so
that
might
be
of
interest
to
you
we'll
go
ahead
and
put
that
link
in
both
the
chat
for
you
today
and
then
we'll
put
it
in
the
minutes
as
well.
So
if
you'd
like
to
go
back
and
take
a
look
and
see
what
that
survey
has
to
offer,
you
can
do
that.
B
We
do
have
one
member
that
is
also
unable
to
join
us
today.
Christopher
chris
vanderstew
is
not
available
today,
his
work
actually
had
a
conflict,
so
he
has
read
the
materials
and
he's
provided
us
some
input,
and
so
when
the
time
is
right,
we'll
go
ahead
and
integrate
some
of
his
thoughts
as
well,
so
that
you
know
what
his
perspective
is
on
some
of
those
things
and
really
with
that.
I
think
we
will
take
a
look
at
the
upcoming
agenda
and
kind
of
walk.
B
You
through
we've
got
some
presentations
for
you,
but
we've
also
integrated
discussions.
So
we're
excited
to
hear
what
you
have
to
say.
So,
please
feel
free
to
share
your
thoughts
with
us,
because
that
is
why
we're
here
to
really
bounce
some
of
these
ideas
off
of
you
and
make
sure
that
we're
making
the
right
decisions
for
the
city
of
boise.
C
C
Very
you
know
pretty
rapid
review
you've
seen
it
you've
been
distributed,
it
there's
a
summary
and
so
we're
not
going
to
start
on
ground
zero.
There
we're
going
to
review
the
changes
that
have
been
made
to
the
diagnostic
report
that
was
distributed
in
november
and
then
move
on
to
the
substance
of.
What's
going
to
be
the
writing
rewriting
of
the
zoning
ordinance
we're
going
to
start
with
zoning
districts
and
we're
going
to
talk
about
some
of
the
questions
that
have
come
up
in
terms
of
background.
C
How
do
what
is
this?
How
does
it
differ
from
that
and
do
background
and
then
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
blueprint
boise
says
of
the
kind
of
places
you
want
to
see
in
boise
according
to
the
comprehensive
plan
and
how
we
could
help
make
that
happen
through
a
restructured
menu
of
zoning
districts
and
pose
some
very
fundamental
questions?
Look
you
we
could
go
this
way
or
we
could
do
something
different
and
building
a
lot
of
time
for
you
to
engage
with
those
and
to
make
sure
that
you
understand
them.
C
You
know
g
don.
I
still
don't
understand
the
question
or
yes,
I
do
and
here's
what
I
think
about
it.
So
we
have
three
or
four
different
places
in
today
where
we're
just
going
to
stop
and
say
we
need
to
hear
from
you
about
your
thoughts
on
this.
We
hope
we've
explained
it
clearly
and
we
need
some
general
discussion
is
this.
Is
this
something
we
should
move
on
to
with
boise?
Do
it
in
this
way
or
a
different
way?
C
So,
having
said
all
of
that,
I'm
going
to,
I
think
we
have
one
slide
here
that
I
would
do
here.
This
is,
I
should
have
put
this
up
before
see
the
image
of
a
bridge.
This
is
bridging,
bridging
from
the
diagnostic
to
the
heavier
work
of
actually
considering
options
in
the
zoning
ordinance
and
and
starting
to
to
get
guidance.
So
a
survey
b.
How
did
the
diagnostic
change
c?
Excuse
me?
It
says
two,
but
it
ought
to
be
three
down
at
the
bottom:
how
to
think
about
changes
in
the
zoning
districts.
C
D
D
D
So
you
should
all
have
received
the
final
draft
last
week
and
as
you
read
through
it,
the
key
changes
that
we
made.
The
additional
content
is
highlighted
in
blue
shaded
boxes
and
two
of
the
new
themes
that
emerge
from
the
input
we
received
in
the
fall
are
first
protecting
the
existing
character
that
makes
boise
special
and
also
making
the
zoning
code
more
equitable
and
inclusive.
D
A
D
C
So,
thank
you
gabby
just
to
so
to
just
to
just
recap:
the
there
were
two
new
themes
there
were.
There
are
some
themes
laid
out
at
the
beginning.
We
added
the
two
that
that
gabby
just
reviewed
concern
over
protection
of
of
character
being
a
key
one
and
inclusivity
being
another
one.
As
kind
of
overarching
themes
that
seemed
to
come
up
a
lot,
then
there
were
the
six
areas
and
in
each
one
of
those
in
each
sub-area
of
those
six
topics.
C
If
you
wanted
to
know
what
changed
you
look
at
the
blue
boxes,
we
did
not
the
rest
of.
It
is
grammatical
change,
trying
to
say
things
in
the
past
tense
if
that
time
has
already
passed,
but
the,
but
the
blue
boxes
contain
the
substance
of
it.
So
I
would
at
this
point
I
think
what
we
should
probably
do
is
perhaps
stop
sharing.
We
did
we.
We
don't
want
to
start
over
at
ground
zero,
but
we're
going
to
move
on
in
just
a
second
to
okay,
we're
crossing
the
bridge.
C
That
is,
we
have
a
diagnostic.
It
is
a
road
map.
Things
don't
will
not
follow
in
lockstep
from
that
roadmap.
I
know
from
doing
this
a
lot
of
times.
We
will
deviate
it
as
you
decide
more
of
this
less
of
that
wow
something
happened.
That's
not
how
we
intended
to
deal
with
things,
but
we're
crossing
this
bridge,
and
the
next
thing
we're
going
to
talk
about
is
okay.
So
how
does
the
drafting
process
flow?
C
C
We'd
love
to
hear
your
comments
about
if
you
had
reactions
to
the
diagnostic
report,
if
you
had
reactions
to
this
survey,
gabby's
right,
the
survey
has
a
pretty
good
number
behind
it.
I
I
am
aware
that
there
have
been
criticisms
of
that
survey.
I
did
you
know.
I
didn't
understand
the
questions
they're
asking
too
much
detail.
C
I
will
we
honor
those
comments.
We
will
do
our
very
best
to
make
future
surveys
more
easy
to
understand,
but
I
will
say
that
from
clarion's
part
of
you,
800
responses
and
400
responses
on
detailed
zoning
questions
is
a
good
response.
That
is
not
a
bad
response
that
is
far
better
than
we
do
in
many
communities,
and
so,
when
we
look
at
this,
we
say
you
know
we'd
love
to
have
comments,
but
it
it's
not
a
failed
survey.
C
C
If
any
of
you
feel
that
it
is
unfair
that
it
is
not
accurate,
it
did
not
accurately
reflect
or,
having
looked
at
the
survey
things
having
looked
at
the
blue
boxes,
you
think
we
just
plain
missed
it,
there's
something
wrong
or
missing
in
those
areas.
We
will
absolutely
respect
that
and
we
will
take
that
into
account
as
we
do
the
drafting.
C
If
necessary,
we
can
post
something
that
is
kind
of
a
supplement
or
a
note
that
the
following
comment
was
made
and
we
intend
to
proceed
in
that
way.
Somebody
had
something
more
to
add
about.
Inclusivity
was
worth
noting,
we'll
we'll
document
it,
but
there's
not
going
to
be
a
redo
of
the
diagnostic
there.
Just
isn't
time
and
effort,
and
frankly,
experience
shows
that
it
ain't
worth
the
time
to
wordsmith
the
road
map.
The
wordsmith
thing
comes
in
the
drafting
of
the
zoning
ordinance,
so
that's
where
we
have
to
get
to.
C
But
having
said
that,
there's
not
going
to
be
a
redo.
We
would
be
very
much
interested
in
your
reaction
to
the
survey,
the
diagnostic
anything
related
to
it
before
we
move
on,
and
I
think
I
think
andrea
would
like
to
use
the
raise
hands
feet.
We
would
like
to
use
the
raised
hands
feature
if,
if
you
have
anything
to
add
to
that.
B
They
had
approximately
700
individuals
respond
to
theirs,
and
then
I
was
able
to
talk
speak
with
their
coordinator
as
well,
and
they
had
a
completion
rate
that
was
very
similar
to
ours,
and
a
number
of
their
concerns
were
very
similar
to
ours.
So
the
good
news
is,
I
think
our
survey
was
truly
representative
of
individuals
in
our
area
because
of
the
similarities,
but
we
are
very
happy
that
we
did
receive
the
number
of
responses
that
we
did
so
so
we're
kind
of
keeping
tabs
with
ada
county
understanding.
C
So
I
see
two
hands
and
before
we
call
on
them,
I
just
would
say
one
thing:
it's
interesting
that
the
consultant
who's
writing
the
eight
accounting
code
is
very
good
friend
of
ours.
I
actually
was
on
a
phone
call
with
him
about
20
minutes
ago
on
something
differently,
so
there's
a
good
working
relationship.
This
is
not
people
who
wake
up
on
different
sides
of
the
bed.
We
we
know
those
guys
well
and-
and
we
are
we're
good
friends-
I
I
saw
esther's
hand
next
esther
did
you
have
a
comment.
E
I
am
a
little
concerned
that,
according
to
the
survey,
results
that
were
shared
with
us
earlier
late
last
week,
that
about
half
of
those
individuals
were
unable
to
provide
to
complete
the
the
survey
in
in
its
entirety
due
to
their
unfamiliarity
with
the
questions
posed,
and
so
you
know.
I
hope
that
at
some
point
we
can
discuss
how
we
will
address
that
as
we
move
forward,
because
we
need
to
be
able
to
provide
them
with
information
in
a
manner
that's
easily
understood
to.
If
we're
serious
about
obtaining
the
community's
input.
C
It's
very
thoughtful
comment
and
we
agree
absolutely,
I
think,
they're
there.
My
comment
briefly
would
be
two
things
a
I.
I
think
your
main
point
is
completely
valid,
but
we're
starting
with
zone
districts
as
we
move
on
to
uses
and
development
standards,
parking
landscaping,
heights
of
buildings
intensities
transitions
to
neighborhoods.
C
We
do
intend
to
produce
to
provide
additional
background
information
and
we
may
do
exist
additional
surveys
on
those
points
in
order
to
say,
look
now
that
we're
at
that
point,
we
can
provide
additional
background
based
on,
what's
going
on
so
far
and
and
try
to
explain
it
better,
so
that
I
I
think
your
your
your
point.
Esther
is
a
very
is
a
valid
point.
I
would
say
that,
in
our
experience,
not
everybody
who
doesn't
get
to
the
end
of
the
survey
doesn't
understand
it.
Some
of
them
don't
have
an
opinion.
C
They
gave
their
opinions
in
the
first
half
of
the
survey.
Those
were
my
concerns
tall
buildings,
open
space
mobility.
So
when
we
get
down
we,
we
really
want
people
to
understand
the
substantive
issues
down
the
road.
So
we
asked
some
questions
and
we
did
get
some
criticisms.
Geez
you're
you're,
acting
as
if
I
know
zoning,
but
I
don't
well.
We
we
asked
this
question.
We
may
ask
them
again
and
try
to
explain
them
better,
but
sometimes
people
just
don't
have
an
opinion
about
it.
C
They
didn't
answer
the
question
because
they
don't
have
an
opinion
rather
than
they
were
confused,
and
so
there
is
some
of
that
going.
We
in
our
experience.
Some
of
that
is
some
of
that
goes
on.
Look
it's
a
fairly
on
survey.
I've
said
my
thing.
I
said
it
twice.
I
said
it
three
times.
I
don't
need
to
finish
the
survey
so
richard
you
had
your
hand
up
too.
F
C
We
I
agree,
I
agree
and
and
basically
what,
if
we'd
gotten
a
30,
I
support
blueprint.
Boise
we'd
be
in
trouble.
70
just
says
we
should
continue
going
down
this
road,
but
as
we
deal
with
each
parcel
you're
exactly
right
richard
you
could
look
at
page
7
and
say
we
should
go
left
and
look
at
page
31
and
say
we
should
go
right.
That's
what
this
group
is
going
to
talk
through.
It
says
two
good
things,
but
those
two
good
things
can't
happen
in
the
same
place.
C
In
the
same
time,
how
is
boise
going
to
reconcile
those
competing
values?
So
I
think
it.
I
read
it
as
a
general
endorsement,
but
I'll
even
say
this.
My
guess
is
most
people
really
like
it.
Many
people
could
find
probably
find
something
in
it
that
they
don't
like,
but
but
on
the
whole
they
they
like
it
sheldon.
You
had
your
hand
up
too.
G
Hi
thanks,
this
might
not
be
the
best
place
to
make
the
comment,
but
I
wanted
to
say
it
in
case.
It
was
because
I
felt
like
it
was
speak
now
or
forever
hold
your
peace.
So
with
that
said,
I
was
wondering
one
of
the
things
that
I
don't
know
if
it
came
out
in
the
questions
of
the
survey
or
in
the
diagnosis
report,
but
it
certainly
came
out
in
this
group.
C
I
I
I
think
we
did
acknowledge
some
of
that
in
the
diagnostic
I
wouldn't
revise
the
diagnostic.
However,
I
think
your
main
point
is
exactly
right
part
of
the
job
behind
this
job.
This
job
is
a
complicated
job
that
you're
all
engaged
and
volunteered
to
to
work
on,
and
that
is
working
through
zoning,
which
is
not
easy.
C
The
job
behind
the
job
is
to
do
that
in
such
a
way
that
we
do
build
confidence,
and
I
think
there
are
two
or
three
things.
One
is
having
very
candid
conversations
in
these
meetings,
in
which
we
admit,
what's
going
well,
what's
not
going
well
and
what
we're
hearing
each
one
of
us,
what
we're
hearing,
but
also
providing
more
background
materials
not
only
to
this
group
but
to
the
public
along
the
way
so
that
they
can
build
their
their
education.
C
So
I
I
I
guess
my
feelings
all
in
this
I'll
keep
saying
it
verbally,
I'm
for
the
same
reason,
I
don't
want
to
reissue
point
two
of
the
diagnostic.
It
says
that,
and
I
think
it's
it's
I've
said
it
publicly
several
times
and
instead
of
being
criticized,
I
get
thanked
for
saying
it,
because
I
think
there
are
people
who
think
it's
really
true.
G
C
Yep,
so
that's
a
good
segue.
I
think
with
that.
I
don't
want
to
cut
it
off
and
I
want
to
be
very
clear
guys
if,
if
you
have
additional
comments-
and
you
have
not
raised
your
hand
and
said
them
contact
andrea,
she
brings
us
into
those
conversations.
The
point
is
not
to
perfect
the
diagnostic.
The
point
is
to
listen
as
we
go
down
the
road
so
that
we
remember
to
include
those
things
and
we
remember
what
people
have
to
say
about
them.
C
So
you
are:
it's
not
speak
down
forever,
hold
your
peace,
we
it's
a
road
map,
it's
something
we're
going
to
aim
at
and
we
know
we're
going
to
have
to
get
supplemental
information
along
the
way.
Having
said
that,
let
me
share
this
and
let's
go
on
in
the
interest
of
time,
because
we
have
a
lot
to
cover
and
do
this
I
can
do.
If
I
can
do
this
gabby,
would
you
walk
a
little
bit
through
the
walk
through
the
timeline
a
little
bit.
B
So
it
looks
like
we
do
have
a
a
hand
raised
from
a
leonard
osborne
who
is
an
attendee.
Unfortunately,
because
this
is
a
city-wide
advisory
committee,
active
group.
What
we're
doing
is
we're
participating
actively
and
so
any
attendees
comments
that
they
might
have
we'll
go
ahead
and
address
those
at
the
end.
So
all
attendees,
we
have
three
of
them
today.
If
they
please
hold
their
questions
till
the
end,
we
will
make
sure
that
we
get
to
you
and
we
address
those.
C
D
D
City
staff
came
up
with
this
conceptual
diagram
and
it
shows
you
the
timing
of
how
these
three
modules
are
going
to
come
forward
and
it's
about
in
every
quarter
of
this
year.
We'll
have
a
new
one
of
the
modules
for
you
and
we
want
to
work
that
out
so
that
by
early
2022
you
have
the
full
public
draft
in
hand
and
then,
after
that,
we
built
in
a
lot
of
time
to
comment
and
revise
it.
D
And
so
today,
to
begin
the
module,
1
discussion
with
zoning
districts
and
then
in
february
we
will
discuss
permitted
and
conditional
uses
and
use
specific
standards,
and
then,
in
march
we
will
discuss
any
of
the
remaining
issues
with
those
topics
that
come
up
during
the
process.
The
drafting
process
before
the
april
meeting,
where
we'll
be
presenting
and
reviewing
the
full
draft
of
module
one
and
now
I'll
I'll,
pass
it
back
to
don
to
get
into
the
fun
stuff.
C
So
I'm
going
to
back
up
just
for
a
second
and
say
great
job
gabby,
but
for
the
sake
of
the
committee
model,
one
is
the
foundation.
What
kind
of
places
do
you
want
to
see
in
boise
to
make
the
plan
a
reality,
and
what
can
you
do
of
them?
Do
you
need
permission
whose
permission
do
you
need?
That's
that's
the
foundation
of
many
zoning
ordinances,
design
and
development
is
okay.
Then,
how
do
you
lay
it
out
so
that
it's
a
good
neighbor
so
that
it's
not
too
tall
so
that
it's
buffered
whatever
three.
C
What
should
the
procedure
for
involvement
be?
There's
a
logic
behind
doing
it
in
this
way,
even
though
there
is
a
lot
of
distrust
and
frustration
over
the
procedures,
a
lot
of
that
has
to
do
in
our
mind
with
the
bad
and
the
the
out
of
datedness
and,
let's
say,
of
the
zoning
ordinance.
People
are
frustrated
because
the
process
leads
to
unpredictable
results
there.
They
don't
like
the
process.
Why
don't
you
fix
that?
C
First,
clarion
answer,
because
one
of
the
reasons
the
process
is
the
source
of
distrusted,
boise
and
frustration
is
because
the
code
that
it's
trying
to
interpret
and
apply
is
not
a
particularly
good
code.
It
doesn't
reflect
the
planning
goals.
The
law
doesn't
reflect
it,
so
the
process
is
left
trying
to
deal
with
a
law
that
doesn't
agree
with
your
plan
and
it
produces
unpredictable
results.
The
time
to
talk
about
the
process
is
after
we
kind
of
try
to
get
a
lot
more
clear
about
what
the
rules
are
type
uses,
density
transitions,
landscaping
buffer.
C
H
C
Well,
in
the
course
of
this,
the
short
answer
is
no
that's.
We
are
not
paid
to
rewrite
it,
but
in
the
course
of
doing
what
belongs
in
zoning,
we
will
be
looking
at
that
design
process
and
that
and
the
standards
you
use
now
in
general,
some
of
those
in
modern
zoning
ordinances
come
into
the
zoning
ordinance,
so
they're
not
negotiated
or
applied
on
a
kind
of
a
case-by-case
basis.
C
So
when
we
get
to
two
and
I'm
out
on
a
limb
here,
because
I
should
have
let
andrea
answer
first,
our
intention
would
be
to
keep
our
eyes
on
what
you
already
tried
to
to
regulate
through
that
process
and
bring
to
boise
what
other
newer
codes
would
say.
Some
of
that
probably
belongs
in
the
code
and
and
may
need
to
be
moved
there,
but
we're
not.
Our
job
is
not
to
take
a
side
trip
there
and
rewrite
the
design
standards
at
the
same
time.
B
Yeah,
so
we
will
be
evaluating
what
those
design
standards
and
guidelines
are,
and
then
we
also
have
historic
preservation
guidelines
as
well
and
we'll
be
codifying,
what's
appropriate
as
part
of
those
and
then
really
looking
at
site,
design
that
goes
even
beyond
building
design.
So
in
the
zoning
code
we'll
be
talking
about
setbacks,
parking
requirements,
building
height
those
other
key
components
that
you
would
always
find
as
part
of
a
zoning
code.
C
You
know
they
describe
the
kind
of
places.
I
would
urge
that
if,
for
today's
meeting
january's
meeting,
we
think
about
types
of
places
not
can
they
do
a
convenience
store.
Not
can
they
do
a
hotel
not
can
they
do
multi-family
housing?
That's
february.
In
february,
we
have
a
very
important
meeting
where
we
start
to
lay
out
these
questions
of
okay.
What
uses
in
these
devices
should
stay
the
same
as
they
are
today
or
change.
C
Today
is
kind
of
what
kind
of
places
do
we
have
a
menu
of
zone
districts
that
aligns
with
blueprint
boise
so
that
it
can
start
encouraging
developers
to
either
preserve
those
spaces
or
make
those
spaces
it's
whether
it's
preserve
or
change
and
they're
generally
talk
about
general
character,
scale
form
intensity,
that's
in
the
zone
district
eventually,
today
we're
not
talking
about
the
uses
part
of
it
we're
talking
about.
Basically,
this
is
what
the
framework
is
think
about
types
of
place
and,
as
I
said
earlier,
aligning
it
with
blueprint
boise.
C
C
It
was
a
little
bit
unusual
how
many
of
those
responses
we
got
in
in
the
boise
survey.
A
base
zone
district
covers
basically
every
piece
of
land
in
boise
I
mean
it
is
the
base
that
means
this
is
our
description
of
the
general
type
of
place.
Now
the
graphic
to
the
right
comes
out
of
the
book.
I
wrote
it's
pretty
cryptic,
I
understand,
but
it
basically
is
in
that
graphic
the
basis
all
right.
This
is
a
residential
zone
district
1c.
This
is
a
residential
zone,
district
3d.
C
Whatever
I
made
up
those
those
labels,
but
it
covers
basically
all
of
the
private
development.
Usually,
the
all
the
public
land
in
the
city
is
is
in
a
zone
district
with
the
exception,
sometimes
of
railroads
and
streams
and
streets,
but
things
upon
which
things
can
be
built
are
in
his
own
district
and
the
hatched
graphic
above
it
is
overlay
zones.
It
is
a
second
layer,
it's
as
if
you
were
looking
through
a
roll
of
vellum
or
a
roll
of
transparent
paper
at
what
went
on
below.
Usually
they
only
apply
to
specific
areas.
C
Not
all
of
the
city
is
in
an
overlay
zone
include
additional
development
rules
to
address
a
particular
challenge
and
in
case
of
a
conflict,
the
overlay
zoning
district
will
prevail
over
those
in
the
base
district
in
the
graphics
we
look
over
at.
If
you
look
at
the
graphic,
the
poster
child
for
an
overlay
district
is
a
flood
control
district,
a
flood
plain
district,
listen!
We!
We
know
that
this
is
zoned
for
commercial,
it's
next
to
the
river,
but
if
you're
within
the
fema
floodplain,
they
don't
want
a
lot
of
people
there.
C
They
don't
want
you
obstructing
the
flood
water
flows.
They
don't
want
you
backing
it
up
on
your
neighbor's
properties.
There
are
additional
rules
about
how
you
either
lift
or
mitigate
your
impact
on
the
flood
waters
upstream
and
downstream,
and
it
doesn't
change
most
of
what
goes
on
down
below
in
the
base
zone
district.
It
takes
away,
it
says
either
you've
got
to
do
it
this
way
or
you
can't
do
it
at
all,
but
it
doesn't
erase
the
base
sound
distance.
C
The
base
cell
district
of
r1c
still
says
what
r1c
says
and
everything
holds
except
what
has
been
changed
in
the
flood
plain
now.
Floodplains
are
one
example.
Other
examples
are
are
myriad,
you
could
have
a
hillside
area,
you
have
a
hillside
district,
but
you
could
have
hillside
area
there.
You
could
have
historic
preservation
framed
as
overlay
districts,
but
the
key
is
it
supersedes.
C
C
Several
cities
have
overlays
that
say
well
we're
pretty
strict
about
signs.
We
don't
like
flashing
jumping
moving
signs,
but
in
our
downtown
area
around
the
theater
or
in
our
proposed
entertainment
area.
We
do
we
like
them.
That's
exciting!
That's
a
little
mini
times
square,
I'm
not
proposing
that
for
boise,
but
I'm
saying
there
are
overlay
zones
out
there
that
say
generally
in
the
city.
You
can't
do
this
too
much
of
it
would
be
a
problem,
but
in
this
area
we
will
allow
you
to
do
this.
C
So
when
you
think
of
an
overlay,
it
doesn't
necessarily
mean.
If
I'm
in
an
overlay,
I
can
do
less,
it
could
mean
I'm
in
an
overlay.
I
can
do
more,
it
could
mean
I'm
in
an
overlay.
I
can
do
the
same
things,
but
I
have
to
do
them
with
a
different
configuration.
The
layout
has
got
to
be
more
pedestrian
oriented
because
it's
a
pedestrian,
focused
area.
C
Now
I
want
to
jump
back
from
the
graphics
on
the
right
side
to
the
left
side.
Overlay
zone
complicate
zoning
several
ways,
hence
the
confusion
in
the
survey.
I
don't.
How
does
this
work?
It
seems
like.
I
thought
I
knew
the
answer,
but
then
apparently
there's
an
overlay-
and
I
don't
know
the
answer
so
clarion's
focus
is
that
in
and
you
have
problems
if
you
have
too
many
overlays,
they
overlap
with
each
other.
Now
you're,
looking
through
two
layers
of
additional
standards,
that's
not
good!
C
So
in
a
general
as
a
general
rule,
when
when
modern
codes
are
rewritten,
we
we
like
to
not
have
so
many
overlay
districts
and
instead
say:
can
we
just
if
you
want
to
wave
parking
or
reduce
parking
downtown,
you
don't
need
an
overlay
district.
We
just
write
a
base
district
that
says
the
parking
standards
downtown
are
less
than
they
are
in
other
places.
C
There
are
lots
of
things
that
people
do
they're
kind
of
very
quick.
Our
experience
with
the
public
is
very
quick
to
say
I
want
a
special
rule.
Hence
I
need
an
overlay
and
our
philosophy
is
no.
If
you
want
a
special
rule
for
a
special
place,
that's
great
we'll
work
with
you
to
make
that
happen,
but
don't
say
the
word
overlay
until
we
figure
out
that
we
can't
do
it
another
way,
because
multiplying
overlays
is
confusing
and
leads
to
unpredictable
outcomes.
C
It's
much
easier
to
say
the
rule
is
x
and
we
have
a
particular
area
in
which
the
rule
is
a
little
bit
different
than
that.
We'll
put
a
little
map
in
the
code
to
say
be
aware:
the
sign
signs
are
classic
ones,
and
I
don't
want
to
go
down
the
road
too
far,
but
we
have
we.
You
know,
for
example,
we
have
no
rooftop
signs
is
our
rule.
C
The
city
doesn't
like
rooftop
signs,
but
in
our
old
historic
area
we
got
three
or
four
or
five
of
them
that
that
we'd
like
to
keep
and
we
don't
want
to
be
illegal
and
we
don't
even
actually
mind
if
new
people
replicate
that
that's
kind
of
the
style
of
that
area
that
we
could.
We
could
put
that
into
the
base
district.
You
don't
have
to
have
an
overlay
district
for
rooftop
signs,
special
rules,
character,
protection,
absolutely
jumping
to
an
overlay
district.
C
We
as
cl
as
consultants,
don't
recommend
it
it's
going
to
perpetuate
the
kind
of
g.
I
don't
understand
how
this
all
works.
Part
of
the
code,
so
here
are
your
current
menu
of
zoning
districts
in
boise.
The
diagnostic
noted
that
this
lineup
is
pretty
dated,
and
it's
not
very
well
aligned
blueprint
boise.
C
It
doesn't
address
some
of
the
things
that
develop
in
the
market
wants
to
build
and
it
pushes
when
your
menu
of
place
types
doesn't
align.
With
your
plan,
you
can
expect
builders
to
come
in
and
say.
Well,
then
I
need
to
negotiate
something
special
and
you
guys
do
that
through
the
planned
unit
development
process.
C
So
we're
going
to
talk
today
about
a
couple
of
ways
when
we
get
to
discussions
about
how
this
does
not
align
with
blueprint
boise
and
how
and
some
suggestions
that
we'd
like
you
to
discuss
about
how
it
could
be
made
better.
But
this
is
your
current
lineup
of
base
zoning
districts
base
zoning
districts
in
boise
by
the
way.
This
is
a
side
trip
when
we
redrafted
many
newer
ordinances.
Almost
all
of
them
like
to
take
this
question
we're
talking
about
today,
the
zoning
district
and
they
like
to
describe
it
in
a
two-page
spread.
C
There's
a
purpose
statement
over
at
the
left.
What
are
we
trying
to
get
at
here?
There's
an
illustrative
photo
that
is
not
regulatory.
It's
a
picture
of
a
place.
Half
of
our
clients
say,
make
it
a
picture
of
boise
because
we
like
to
look
at
our
own
town,
half
the
half,
the
our
clients
say,
make
it
a
picture
of
somewhere
else,
because
we
don't
want
to
imply
that
joe's
building
is
better
than
mary's
building,
but
that's
an
image
choose
that
put
a
crime
and
then
put
a
drawing
that
explains
heights
densities.
Things
like
that!
C
That's
not
the
topic
for
today.
I'm
only
showing
you
that,
when
you
think
about
types
of
places,
this
two-page
spread
is
a
much
easier
way
to
explain
to
the
public.
So
when
they
say
they're
going
to
rezone
the
property
on
the
corner
from
x
to
y,
I
can
flip
open
look
at
what
y
is
how
tall
could
it
be?
C
So
I'm
shifting
now
just
to
and
we'll
stop
and
do
a
discussion
I'll
ask
about
this
in
a
minute.
But
I
want
to
continue
that
was
your
base
on
districts,
we're
going
to
talk
in
the
discussions
about
a
couple
key
things:
here's
your
overlay
zone
districts
in
boise
today,
it's
pretty
complex,
it's
larger
than
you
see
in
most
cities,
and
it
appears
to
us
that
some
of
these
were
addressed
instead
of
saying:
let's:
let's
rework
the
base
districts
and
the
codes,
they
said,
let's
just
create
an
overlay
district.
C
Now
I
don't
know
the
history
of
a
lot
of
them,
but
I'll
give
you
an
example.
The
three
parking
overlay
districts
that
you
have
here
p1p2p3
in
the
middle
of
this
those
are
usually
not
overlay.
Districts-
waterways,
that's
not
too
unusual.
That's
a
river!
That's
like
flood
protection!
I
said
earlier
boise
river,
you
have
specific
plan
districts,
those
are
special
neighborhood
overlay
districts.
Sometimes
you
have
see
those
design
overlay
districts.
I
would
really
like
to
explore,
but
I
won't
say
this:
we're
ahead
of
ourselves.
C
We
don't
have
this
as
a
discussion
tonight.
We
will
bring
it
back
to
you
at
a
future
meeting.
I'm
only
trying
to
orient
you
to
in
case
you
don't
wake
up
in
the
morning
and
read
the
boise
zoning
ordinance.
This
is
what
you
got
today.
Both
the
base
districts
and
the
overlay
districts
are
the
base.
Districts
are,
in
our
opinion,
not
well
aligned
with
the
plan.
The
overlay
districts
are
more
complicated
than
we
would
normally
see,
because
some
of
these
things
can
be
solved
by
writing
better
base
zone
districts.
C
That
is,
we
don't
have
a
recommendation
for
you
today,
other
than
that
is
what
clarion
sees
when
it
looks
at
this
and
and
by
the
way
you
know
the
city
is
the
city.
If
you
conclude
you
want
them
all
to
stay,
then
that's
the
way
it's
going
to
turn
out,
but
this
is
kind
of
this
is
the
yellow
highland,
just
kind
of
says.
When
we
read
the
code
clarion,
our
first
reaction
is
really
not
sure
you
need
that
much
to
get
what
you're
trying
to
get
out
of
these
regulations.
C
C
We
have
had
questions
even
a
year
ago.
Why
doesn't
boise
do
inform
based
code?
Why
I'd
like
form,
based
only
we
had
survey
responses.
That
said,
I
really
don't
like
euclidean
zoning,
meaning
zoning
that
looks
at
primarily
what
you
can
do.
Is
it
a
hotel?
Is
it
a
parking
lot?
What
is
it?
Euclidean?
Zoning
is
considered
old
style
zoning,
meaning
it
looks
first
at
the
uses.
C
Form-Based
zoning
arrived
around
1990
and
it
said
no.
No,
no.
We
should
be
looking
at
the
types
of
buildings
that
fit
into
this
place
and
then
loosening
up
on
the
uses.
It
focuses
more
on
the
form
of
the
building
less
on
the
specific
land
uses
that
are
allowed
in
that
building.
Now
I'll
tell
you
the
secret
to
this
is
the
second
poem.
I
am
an
author
one
of
three
authors
of
the
book,
whose
cover
is
shown
on
the
right
hand,
side
it's
for
the
american
planning
association.
C
They
asked
us
to
write
that
book
and
I
said
okay,
but
I
think
you
got
the
wrong
number
because
I
think
they
only
work
part
of
the
time
and
they
said
that's.
Why
we're
asking
you
to
write
the
book,
so
my
opinion
is,
and
people
will
disagree
with
me
almost,
I
said
almost
zoning
districts,
that
is,
it
should
say,
zoning
codes
almost
all
well,
every
use
every
city
uses
a
different
one.
I'm
sorry,
zoning
districts
is
correct
in
that
second
bullet.
C
When
you
say
I
want
form
based
districts,
you
know
the
immediate
question
is
well.
I
assume
you
still
want
some
level
of
control
over
this.
You
you
want
to
know
whether
it's
going
to
be
a
a
bar
right
or
it
can't
be
an
adult
use.
Could
it
it
couldn't
be
a
commercial
use
in
a
residential
property.
So
you
want
more
focus
on
form
and
you
want
less
on
uses.
I
think,
because
there
are
no
pure
cases
of
any
of
these
things,
there
are
no
pure
form
based
codes
out
there.
C
There
are
no
pure
use
base
codes
out
there,
they're
always
a
mix,
and
the
key
is
to
choose
the
mix
that
works
for
you.
Farm-Based
districts
tend
to
be
used
most
in
downtowns
and
in
activity
centers.
They
work
pretty
well
there
because
in
the
downtown
you
want
it
to
be
beautiful.
You
want
it
to
be
active,
you
want
it
to
be
vibrant.
You
want
people
to
be
able
to
live
and
work
and
play
there.
C
What
particularly
is
happening
in
each
building
is
less
interesting
than
the
fact
that
the
whole
mix
makes
downtown,
exciting
and
economically
viable.
If
this
building
wants
to
change
from
residential
to
commercial
and
that
building
wants
to
change
through
redevelopment
from
commercial
to
residential,
it
doesn't
matter
because
it's
downtown
it's
supposed
to
be
exciting
and
the
physical
exactly
what's
happening
in
each
building
is
less
important
than
the
form
and
the
and
the
the
pedestrian
interest
and
activity
and
vervacity
of
that
area.
C
So
when
people
say
I
want
this
often
they
wind
up
thinking
about
more
form,
controls,
less
use,
controls,
downtown
and
inactivity
centers.
When
you
get
out
to
neighborhoods
often
they
say
no,
no,
no!
No!
I
I
do
want
neighborhoods
to
be
protected
and
they're
deteriorating,
but
I
really
want
use
controls.
I
don't
want
my
neighbor
doing
something
unusual
in
my
neighborhood.
C
C
C
Most
newer
codes
have
mo
have
a
lot
of
use,
controls,
fewer
form,
controls
in
residential
neighborhoods
mixed-use
neighborhoods
is
somewhere
along
the
middle
of
the
spectrum,
and
when
you
get
to
downtown
and
activity
centers,
they
they
have
more
controls
on
form
and
less
on
uses,
so
that's
form
based.
We
could
talk
about
it
more
and
here's
my
last
slide
about
this
puds
again.
Some
of
you
know
exactly
what
they
are
some
you
may
not.
It's
negotiated
zoning,
hence
the
handshake
they're,
a
form
of
negotiated
zoning
intended
to
allow
developers
more
creativity.
C
Boise
is
unusual,
most
people
most
medium
and
large
cities
in
america
approve
beauties
as
zone
districts.
You
would
have
to
go
to
city
council
and
get
it
approved
as
an
amended
to
the
zoning
map.
I'm
moving
from
this
district
to
that
district,
which
starts
with
the
letters
pud
everybody's
on
notice
that
was
negotiated,
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
figure
out.
What's
in
that
to
go.
Look
at
it,
it's
approved,
it's
recorded,
it's
public
information,
but
it's
not
a
chapter,
because
each
one
is
unique.
C
Boise
is
unusual
in
approving
these
through
the
conditional
use
processes
in
the
fact
that
you
can't
see
them
on
the
zoning
map.
I
think
that's
probably
contributing
to
confusion
is
that
I
thought
it
was
colored
x,
but
then
I
find
out
there's
negotiated
zoning
on
it.
We
noted
that
the
neighbors
perceive
these
as
unpredictable.
They
one
of
the
problems
that
many
cities
have
is
that
it's
horse
trading
I'll,
it's
kind
of
like
I'll
I'll
give.
They
were
designed
to
say
we'll
give
developers
additional
flexibility
and
they'll
give
us
more
quality.
C
We
run
into
a
lot
of
cities
where
they
say
well.
We
certainly
gave
them
a
lot
more
flexibility,
but
we
don't
think
we
got
much
more
quality
out
of
it.
So
we
have
recommended
that
this
be
tightened
in
the
sense
that
puds
should
be
more
the
exception
rather
than
the
norm.
If
you
fix
the
basics
of
your
code,
you'll
get
less
negotiation.
When
you
do
negotiate,
you
should
really
get
something
out
of
it,
rather
than
just
flexibility.
C
C
C
Now
we're
doing
it.
This
way,
often
they're
little
inset
maps
in
this
part
of
boise
the
following
rules
apply.
I
find
those
very
helpful,
I
think,
they're
very
helpful
to
the
citizens
who
who
frankly
would
like
to
know
if
that's
special
rules,
if
that's
specially
mapped
area
with
the
different
rules.
Just
tell
me
just
tell
me
so
I
know
before
I
think
it
was
one
thing
and
it
turns
out
to
be
another.
So
the
short
answer
is
yes,
I
think
I
saw
I
don't
yes
go
ahead,
go
ahead
and.
B
C
C
I
I
But
as
I
as
I
start
to
look
at
this,
and
I
look
at
the
overlay
zones
and
the
confusion
that
that
can
exist
not
just
with
the
overlays
but
with
with
the
various
special
districts,
etc,
etc.
It's
it's
exciting
to
think
that
we
will
be
able
to
to
together
collectively
clean
this
up
if
you
will
and
and
give
us
a
better
road
map.
I
C
I
think
there's
a
frustration
out
there
that
citizens
expect
the
current
code
to
be
keeping
it
the
same,
but
thanks
to
puds
and
thanks
to
these
special
rules,
it
actually
changes,
and
they
can't
there
was
no
way
for
them
to
know
that
that
change
was
going
to
be
allowed.
It's
not
doesn't
show
up
in
the
zoning
map,
it
doesn't
show
up
in
the
language
it
was
just
approved.
C
J
Thanks
don
yeah,
thanks
for
the
explanation
too,
I
guess,
could
you
speak
a
little
bit
more
and
this
may
be
getting
ahead
of
getting
ahead
of
ourselves.
But
could
you
speak
a
little
bit
more
to
the
likely
hybrid
zoning
ordinance
that
we
may
be
looking
at
that
mixes
euclidean
with
form
based
and
speak
about
what
some
other
cities
have
done
under
that
same
style
of
zoning
ordinance
is
the
form
based
really
just
you
know,
geographically
centered
around
downtowns
and
activity
centers?
C
No
you're
you're,
fine,
but
I'll
have
to
give
you
a
short
answer,
and
I
think
there
are
two.
There
are
two
important
questions
here:
yeah
it
they
do
tend
to
be.
Even
though
conversations
often
start
with,
we
want
more
form
controls.
We
want
to
form
base
code
in
the
end.
Most
cities
adopt
them
geographically,
they
turn
their
downtown
district
into
a
farm-based
district
or
they
turn
their
activity
center
district
and
they
call
it
form-based
more
often
than
that.
C
That's
fairly
common.
So-
and
I
will
point
you
to
some
examples
more
so
if
you,
if,
if
a
city
says
we
have
a
form-based
code,
first
question,
is
it
city-wide?
Oh,
no?
No,
it's
not
city-wide.
Where
is
it?
I
bet
you
a
of
coffee.
It
says
downtown.
Oh
yeah,
it's
downtown!
That's
where
it
most
of
the
time,
so
it's
usually
downtown.
If
it
they
go
further.
It's
that
downtown
and
activity.
Centers,
the
but
but
most
of
the
city
is
usually
not
a
form
based
control.
What
which
you
you?
C
You
ask
the
questions
behind
the
labels
and
the
question
is:
when
you
say
you
want
your
activity
centers
to
have
more
form.
What
do
you
mean
most
places
mean?
I
don't
want
a
parking
lot
in
front
of
the
building.
I
want
the
building
to
open
on
the
street,
so
people
feel
it's
more
pedestrian
friendly.
I
want
doors
and
windows
on
the
street,
I'm
guys
this
is
an
open
blank
slate.
I'm
I'm
not
telling
you
what's
right
for
boise,
but
you
have
to
ask
what
form
are
you
trying
to
control?
What
is
it
the
height?
C
Is
it
transitioning
the
heights
down?
Is
it
the
closest
to
the
street?
Do
you
really
care
about
the
articulation
and
no
blank
walls?
Most
codes
infuse
form
based
into
other
zone
districts
rather
than
saying
we're.
Taking
that
zone
district
out
and
writing
a
new
form-based
district,
they
might
do
that
downtown
everywhere
else.
They
usually
say
what
is
it
we
care
about,
because
you
can
do
that
in
any
zone
district?
You
just
change
the
rules,
the
setbacks,
change,
the
parking
lot
location
changes,
the
height
of
the
building
changes.
C
You
had
doors
and
windows
things,
so
I
I
had
that
slide
and
I'm
happy
to
talk
about
it
and
I
and
I
think
the
best,
but
but
what
I
want
you
to
think
about
is
almost
everybody
uses
a
a
mix
of
use
and
form
controls,
and
as
we
get
into
that,
we'll
ask
you
that
question.
What
are
you
concerned
about
in
this
area
which
parts
of
form
which
parts
of
use
because
that
the
labels
don't
tell
you
anything?
That's
what
the
book
that
I
co-authored
found
there
ain't.
There
are
no
pure
cases.
C
Every
single
city
does
it
differently,
but
I
do
think
in
response
to
your
question:
byron
and
andrea
this
I
I
I
haven't
checked
with
andrea,
so
she
may
cut
me
off.
You
know
she
does
it
all
the
time?
No,
she
doesn't.
I
think
it
might
be
helpful
for
us
to
give
you
some
some
codes
that
have
been
written
recently,
that
you
could
look
at
if
you'd
like
to
wander
through
them.
Just
don't
come
back
and
say
don.
C
I
want
you
to
do
bloomington
here
don,
I
hate
albuquerque,
don't
do
anything
like
albuquerque
as
long
as
you
understand
what
they
are.
They
are,
so
you
can
feel
more
comfortable
navigating
your
way
through
the
way
different
cities
have
blended
these
tools.
I'm
happy
to
give
you
examples
that,
in
your
spare
time,
you
could
get
on
and
say
don
says.
This
is
an
example
of
a
place
that
blended
these
types
of
tools
into
different
types
of
districts,
understanding
that
we're
not
going
to
copy
it.
B
It
does
and
we're
getting
some
positive
feedback
as
part
of
our
chat,
that
that
would
be
helpful,
useful
information
for
everyone,
and
so
we
can
go
ahead
and
provide
some
links
to
some
codes
in
the
minutes
and
so
that,
as
you
guys
have
time,
you
can
kind
of
explore
what
some
other
communities
have
done
for
them.
And
then
we
we're
often
asked
that
question
as
well.
So
I
think
it
would
be
a
helpful,
useful
tool
for
us
as
staff
as
well.
So
thank
you.
C
E
Oh
yes,
don!
Thank
you
for
talking
about
overlays
and
providing
that
that
chart
of
the
overlays-
and
you
know
for
the
sake
of
being
brief
here.
Maybe
it's
a
conversation
that
can
be
that
can
occur.
You
know
at
a
later
time.
You
know,
as
I
think,
about
forum
based
in
your
discussion
on
how
you
know
forum
based
is
really
it
focuses
more
on
the
building,
as
opposed
to
the
land
use
with
the
sycamore
overlay.
C
Great
question
and
you're
only
slightly
ahead
of
us.
I
think
the
short
answer
is,
I
think
we
meaning
clarion
and
the
team
in
boise
need
to
stare
at
those
overlays
and
and
and
answer
that
question
I
will
provide
an
answer
to
you.
Esther
there
are.
I
have
done
it
in
the
sense
that
I
have
taken
stacks
of
neighborhood.
We
clarion
I've
taken
a
neighborhood
that
had
piles
of
regulations
that
dealt
with
specific
neighborhoods
and
tried
to
embed
them
in
the
base
districts
in
a
way
where
the
neighborhoods
involved
said.
C
C
A
C
We
have
two
or
three
big
questions
coming
up,
so
andrea.
Is
it
okay?
If
I
move
on
with
the
presentation
and
and
once
again,
if
you
wake
up
at
a
cold,
sweat
at
night,
because
you
thought
you
understood
overlays
districts,
but
you
upon
reflection,
you
don't
understand
them,
just
email,
andrea
and,
and
she
can
involve
us
if
we
need
to
go
to
another
level
of
death.
Is
it
okay?
If
I
move
on
andrea.
C
All
right,
so,
let's
see
if
I
can
get
it
going
again.
I
think
I'm
at
a
different
place
in
the
presentation,
but
maybe
that's
because
I
just
started
it
there.
There
we
go
okay,
let's
talk
about
this,
we're
talking
base
zone
districts
their
table
on
the
right
should
look
very
familiar
to
you.
It's
the
one
I
showed
you
earlier.
C
This
is
your
current
menu
of
base
zone
districts
and
the
labels
that
go
next
to
them,
and-
and
I
I
want
to
start
with
a
caveat-
we
we
meaning
clarion,
don't
think
this
is
well
suited
to
get
where
you
said.
You
wanted
to
go
and
blueprint
boise,
but
everything
we
present
is
in
the
interest
of
trying
to
have.
C
You
weigh
different
options
and
go
forward
if
the
sense
of
this
group
and
staff
is
that
you
know
what
clarion
thinks
we
ought
to
change
it,
but
we
don't
think
we
ought
to
we're
going
to
keep
that
and
that's
the
way
it's
going
to
turn
out.
So
I
want
to.
I
want
to
be
clear
that
that,
in
many
in
all
these
topics
that
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
you
know,
don't
change.
C
Is
a
fair
comment
to
make
you
you
know
we
will,
we
will
probably
say:
well
if
you
don't
change
that
you're
going
to
have
a
hard
time
getting
to
the
following
goal
of
blueprint
boise.
But
if
that's
the
decision,
this
happens,
it
happens
in
large
cities,
medium
cities.
All
the
time
look,
I
know
we
meant
it.
We
said
it,
we
meant
it,
but
we
can't.
C
You
look
at
the
first
bullet
down
there
when,
when
in
this
in
this
process
this
advisory
committee
process
and
in
our
public
dealings,
we
need
to
come
to
a
common
understanding
of
what
mixed
use
means
in
the
in
what
we're
developing
and
what
we're
putting
out
there.
Today
it
means
a
zone
district
in
which
a
mixed
use
includes
residential
or
non-residential
bill.
Excuse
me
it.
C
It
includes
either
it's
zone
districts
that
allow
you
to
either
do
housing
or
commercial
or
both,
and
if
you
decide
to
do
both
in
side-by-side
buildings
or
in
vertical
buildings.
That's
what,
when
we
say
res
mixed
use,
that's
what
we
mean
it
allow
and-
and
it
is
a
major
trend.
Hence
the
word
trend
at
the
top
of
this
slide
around
the
country.
C
C
So,
but
what
you've
got
on
the
right
hand?
Side?
Is
you
divide
it
into
office,
commercial
and
industrial
categories?
Some
of
that
could
continue,
but
I
want
you
to,
for.
I
want
you
to
focus
on
these
things
on
the
yellow,
highlighting
in
most
newer
ordinances.
They
would
not
draw
a
distinction
between
office
and
commercial
and
they
probably
would
in
in
some
cases
they
would
take
your
multi-family
residential
and
again
I
I
know
that
r3
has
been
very
confident.
C
So
I
maybe
shouldn't
have
colored
that
in,
but
I
know
that
that's
been
a
hot
topic.
What
should
be
happening
in
r3,
but
many
new
ordinances
say
at
a
minimum.
We
should
add
flexibility
by
not
dividing
office
from
commercial
uses
and
down
at
the
bottom
of
the
yellow,
highlighting
obviously
m2
heavy
industrial.
That
stays
the
same,
but
I
colored
it
in
because
m1
in
your
current
case
is
light.
Industrial
park
or
light
industrial
t1
is
technologically
industrial
park.
T2
is
technology
manufacturing
park.
C
C
It's
listed
in
your
table,
so
my
yellow,
highlighting
mostly
intended
to
not
talk
about
m1
and
m2,
but
talk
about
t1
and
t2
and
pedestrian
commercial
that
that
middle
range
we're
not
talking
about
special
purpose
and
in
spite
of
my
coloring,
it's
not
m1
and
m2
the
rest
of
them
in
that
middle.
We're
not
talking
about
low
density,
neighborhoods,
we're
talking
about
the
stuff
between
there
and
when
we
get
into
industrial
uses
that
might
need
significant
truck
traffic
or
be
using
processes
or
have
noise
associated
with
them.
C
Most
newer
ordinances
would
would
call
that
mixed
use.
They
would
have
a
set
of
mixed-use
neighborhoods
so
that
don't
pay
attention
to
exactly
where
the
top
of
the
bottom
of
this
yellow
are
in
between
the
bookends
of
stuff.
That
really
needs
to
have
you
not
live
in
it
and
stuff
where
we
primarily
want
you
to
only
live
in,
it
might
have
some
exceptions,
home
occupations,
things
like
that.
C
There's
this
middle
category,
where
most
newer
ordinances
would
say
you
can
build
housing
in
there
or
you
can
build
commercial
in
there
or
you
can
mix
them
up
there
and
again,
it's
partly
excitement
and
there
it
is
partly
because
it's
more
interesting,
partly
because
their
comprehensive
plan
says
we
want
activity
centers
where
people
live
and
also
shop
or
work.
We
that's
what
their
plan
says
they
want
and
we
get
a
lot
of
positive
feedback
about
blueprint,
boise
and
its
activity
center
recommendations.
C
So
many
north
zone
nurses
address
it
by
collapsing
some
districts
into.
I
counted
them
up
into
three
to
six
mixed-use
districts
to
differ
in
scale.
The
issue
is
not
necessarily
the
mix,
it
is
scale.
So,
for
example,
we
have
drafted.
We
are
now
currently
drafting
some
codes.
That
say
what
about
the
thing
that
is
in
many
older
cities,
it's
just
the
four
corners
of
where
an
arterial
and
a
collector's
street
come
together.
C
It's
not
a
center,
but
somebody
got
permission
to
build
a
shop
at
shopit's
not
doing
too
well,
and
then
somebody
built
a
gas
station,
it's
a
routine
close
to
home
commercial
center.
But
it's
supposed
to
be
small.
We
actually
don't
mind
it.
It's
already.
There
we'd
like
it
to
have
better
stuff,
and
we
wouldn't
mind
it
if
it
had
housing,
but
it's
small
and
then
you
go
medium
for
bigger
intersections
large
and
some
places
do
regional
many
codes
just
say
small,
medium
large.
C
C
As
you
go
down
from
one
to
five,
you
get
more
uses
and
the
uses
get
heavier.
But
what
we
find
aligns
better
with
a
lot
of
plans.
Is
it's
actually
the
scale?
We
can
be
a
little
more
flexible
in
those
uses.
As
long
as
people
knew
the
one
that's
near,
my
house
on
the
corner
is
not
going
to
grow
into
a
bigger
one.
There's
a
maximum
size
and
there
are
may
even
be,
and
we
limit
the
uses
to
things
that
won't
draw
a
crowd.
C
People
won't
drive
across
town
to
get
here,
so
we
limit
the
scale
of
the
uses
and
we
limit
the
scale
of
the
area
that
can
be
covered
by
it
in
the
small
one.
So
it's
non-threatening,
medium
and
large
are
often
drafted
for
bigger
intersections
and
they
want
some
intensity
because
they're
actually
intended
to
to
build
transit
people.
They
build
populations
near
where
they
could
run
transit.
C
Well,
where's
that
gonna
happen
well,
transit
lines
tend
to
run
up
and
down
busier
streets
and
those
busy
streets
intersections
are
where
people
tend
to
gather
and
get
on
the
bus.
Then
their
bus
stops
in
between
so
medium
and
large
are
often
bigger.
They
are
bigger
in
terms
of
the
scale
in
the
terms
of
what's
allowed
there
and
height,
but
also
the
list
of
uses
and
in
some
codes
they
are
deliberately
drafted
to
allow
more
intensity
if
it
was
just
a
commercial
code.
C
We're
now
going
to
allow
you
to
do
residential
if
it
was
just
a
residential
mixed
use
or
excuse
me
multi-family
on
that
corner.
Maybe
that
would
be
a
mixed
use
area
where
you
do
shopping
and
residential
together.
So
again,
that's
kind
of
conceptually.
What
we're
talking
about
here's,
what
blueprint
boys
he
said.
You
know
you
identified
three
types
of
mixed
use:
activity:
centers,
regional
community
neighborhood.
Very
my
prior
slide
was
not
boise.
C
That's
what's
going
on
around
the
country,
blueprint
boise
aims
in
the
same
direction:
mixed-use
activity,
centers,
more
compact,
pedestrian
and
here's
some
quotes
establish
mixed-use
zoning
districts
develop
a
series
of
mixed-use
zoning
districts
include
form-based
approaches
were
appropriate,
so
that's
in
this
mix.
How
much
form
control
do
you
want?
C
So
here's
the
question
we'd
like
to
pose
for
you,
you
know
we
when
we
look
at
it,
we
think
well,
it
looks
like
blueprint
wants
to
do
that
and
it
is
well
in
the
mainstream
of
trends
around
the
country.
To
do
that.
Do
you?
Does
it
make
sense
to
consolidate
some
of
the
existing
higher
density
residential
office,
commercial
or
industrial
districts,
to
create
some
new
mixed
use
activity
center?
Zoning
districts?
That's
that's
the
question.
C
C
Yeah
you're
you're
right
and
I
want
to
be
clear
what
I
think
blueprint
boise
said.
I
I
don't
somebody
can
correct
me.
I
don't
think
it
said,
write
a
form
based
district.
It
says
control
the
form
use,
form
controls
when
you
when,
when
it's
appropriate,
so
when
you
anytime
you're
exactly
right
when
you
cross
that
line
from
kind
of
routine
retail
sales
would
be
fine,
starbucks
is
okay,
we'd,
be
so
lucky
as
to
have
a
viable
store
in
this
neighborhood.
C
That's
good!
When
you
cross
into
heavy
commercial
services,
anything
involves
loading,
auto
oriented
stuff,
let
alone
light
industrial,
putting
things
together.
You
you
need
some
strict
use
controls
and
you
when,
when
gabby
laid
the
table
for
next
week's
next
month's
meeting,
we
said
we're
not
just
going
to
talk
auto
body,
but
when
we
say
use
specific
standards.
What
standards
need
to
go
along
with
auto
body
shops
in
different
districts?
C
C
Well,
we
what
you'll
see
it
in
a
february
you're
a
little
bit
ahead
of
us
in
february,
we'll
show
you
different
ways
of
dealing
with
use
controls.
Often
it
says,
allowed
or
conditional
occasionally,
if
it's
a
power
line
or
something
big,
it
has
to
go
up
to
a
high
level
of
approval.
You
know
city
council,
but
it's
usually
permitted
or
after
a
public
hearing
and
then
in
the
right
hand,
column
for
many
of
the
uses
are
conditions,
and
I
just
labeled
you
I
made
those
up.
C
You
know
we
don't
mind
gas
stations,
but
no
cars
outside
you
can't
be
working
on
the
cars
outside.
You
can't
have
lighting
that
includes
on
the
neighborhood.
You've
got
to
have
a
buffering
fence,
I'm
making
these
up.
But
my
point
is
those
we
call
use
specific
standards
and
usually
they
apply
even
if
it's
a
permitted
juice,
so
it
says
permitted.
But
if
your
worry
is
we
need
a
public
hearing
because
we
don't
want
cars
stored
outside.
C
You
might
want
a
public
hearing,
but
we
could
just
write
to
you
specific
standards
to
say
in
this
district
in
in
a
big
intersection
who
they
can
have.
Cars
outside
doesn't
matter
in
a
neighborhood
if
it's
near
the
neighborhood
you're
going
to
have
to
have
no
cars
outside
I'm
making
up
these
examples.
But
the
point
is
that
there
is
permitted
conditional
and
then
there
are
conditions
that
apply
to
different
uses
usually,
and
they
apply
even
under
permitted.
Permitted
does
not
mean
have
at
it
and
do
whatever
you
feel
like
doing.
C
It
means
you
can
do
it
here
up
to
this
size.
With
these
limits
and
to
be
very
honest,
most
cities
say
you:
we
make
it
pretty
hard
to
vary
those
limits
when
we
have
decided
that
you
shouldn't
be
doing
that
outside
of
near
residential
property
or
whatever
we
didn't
intend
to
make
that
a
negotiable
thing.
You
can
go,
get
a
variance
for
hardship,
but
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
talk
somebody
into
it.
That's
that
is
how
we
do
gas
stations
in
that
district,
and
so
so.
C
K
K
I
guess
my
question
is:
if
we
go
down
a
path
like
this,
with
mixed
use,
small
medium
large,
are
we
intentionally
trying
to
be
hyper
on
certain
corridors
or
certain
intersections,
or
is
it
appropriate
to
think
that
there's
certain
areas
where
you
could
apply
this
more
as
a
blanket
so
to
speak
or
cover
a
larger
area?
Other
than
doing
air
quotes
an
activity
center.
C
Well,
other
than
other
than
downtown,
we
have
to
think
about
how
you
want
to
how
you
want
to
handle
downtown
the
that
usually
downtowns
are
the
only
activity
center
where
you
apply
it
over
an
entire
area.
Usually
activity,
centers,
small,
medium
and
large,
sometimes
large,
is
downtown.
Sometimes
large
is
the
regional
mall
or
the
big
mall,
that's
on
a
big
street,
and
we
all
know
how
malls
are
doing
these
days
and
and
it
has
turned
into
large
meaning.
C
C
In
order
to
think
this
through,
you
could
look
at
blueprint
boise
because
it
identifies
what
the
plan
says
are
the
small
medium
large
areas,
we're
not
men,
we're
not
going
to
make
them
up
we're,
not
mapping
them,
but
we're
trying
to
implement
a
plan
that
did
identify
particular
activity.
Centers,
it's
not
just
kind
of
well.
I
think
one
be
nice
over
here.
K
Thanks
that
helps,
I
think,
maybe
thinking
more
of
those
areas
that
are
on
the
fringe
of
downtown.
Where
that
flexibility
that
you're
saying
as
long
as
it
comes
with
certain
conditions
or
expectations,
you
can
have
a
broader
application
of
mixed
uc
benefits
outside
of
downtown,
and
I
guess
that's
kind
of
where
I
was
going,
but
I
totally
see
how
this
is
aiming
to
accomplish
blueprint,
voicing
goals.
C
C
At
that
point,
our
recommendation
is
that
we
would
produce
a
map,
so
you
could
see
what
the
new
names
are,
and
usually
that
is
a
conversion
map.
We're
not
trying
to
up
zone,
drew
we're
not
trying
to
download
zone
shelling.
We
are
converting
you
to
the
closest
thing
that
is
there
today
for
purposes
of
discussion,
because
you
need
to
not.
I
mean
I
don't
mind,
questions
at
all
like
drew's
question.
This
is
a
very
good
question.
C
You
need
to
be
able
to
visualize
it,
but
we're
not
drawing
a
map
today,
we're
not
going
to
draw
a
map
until
you
have
the
whole
pieces
in
front
of
it
and
then
we're
going
to
do
so
very
cautiously.
The
moment
I
roll
out
a
map,
everybody
stops
reading
the
code.
Nobody
cares
they
just
they
just
look
at
the
map.
We
need
the
code
to
have
all
the
rules
and
incentives
that
you
think
will
make
blueprint
boise
happen.
If
we
have
this
tool,
it
would
be
possible
to
apply
it
in
places
that
we
think
blueprint.
C
Boise
wants
it
to
happen
or
upon
reflection,
life
changed,
and
we
don't
want
to
do
that.
But
it's
important
it's
very
important
for
this
group
to
be
focused
on
the
toolbox.
Would
that
be
a
good
thing
to
have
in
our
toolbox,
because
it
helps
us
make
this
place
questions
in
general
about
location
scale?
I
love
drew's
question.
F
Yeah,
thank
you.
Having,
I
think,
my
cheapest
place.
I've
ever
lived
was
an
converted
apartment
above
an
upholstery
repair
shop,
and
I
certainly
appreciated
be
able
to
pay
69
a
month
back
in
the
late
80s.
For
that,
so
that's
mixed
use.
It
made
a
lot
of
sense
for
me
and
I
can
see
it
making
a
lot
of
sense.
A
lot
of
times
where
I
in
in
my
neighborhood
and
where
I've
heard
a
lot
of
concern
and
just
upset
and
angry
people
does
have
a
lot
to
do
with
scale
on
the
interface.
F
In
that
case
they
were
scaled
back
and
so
after
a
public,
you
know
long
public
process,
but
you
know
reading
jane
jacobs
a
little
bit
and
how
there
are
really
different
design
kind
of
standards.
Those
that
kind
of
arise
organically
in
in
highly
dense
places
where
most
people
are
strangers,
the
rules
of
the
sidewalk,
for
instance,
having
to
do
with
you,
know
a
strict
demarcation
between
private
and
public
space
having
to
do
with
eyes
on
the
street,
all
that
stuff
that
I'm
sure
you
guys
know
all
about.
F
You
can
design
that
into
the
new
place,
but
across
that
interface,
which
may
just
be,
you
know,
20
feet.
Those
neighborhoods
are
not
designed
that
way,
and-
and
so
anyway,
it's
just
well,
I'm
sure
we'll
revisit
this
in
many
ways,
but
the
interface
is
going
to
be
difficult
and
that's
one
reason.
I
think
what
scale
is
really
essential
here
when
we're
talking
about
this
so
I'll
shut
up
with
that.
C
C
It
appears
to
me
that
a
lot
of
the
cases
where
something
non-residential
or
more
intense
is
proposed
next
to
residential
neighborhoods.
You
work
it
out
in
the
end,
but
it's
not
a
fun
process.
It
is
it's
it's
a
it's!
It's
a
design
process
or
it's
conditional
process
of
hearings,
or
it's
more
than
one
hearing
most
new
ordinances
for
activity
centers,
but
also
even
for
multi-family
housing.
C
If
you
keep,
if
you
decide
to
keep
a
multi-family
housing
district
that
doesn't
allow
commercial
would
have
transition
rules
on
height
and
scale
and
you're
exactly
right,
jane
jacobs
is
kind
of
acting
as
if
it's
boston's
north
end
and
everybody
lives
on
a
crowded
area
with
eyes
on
the
street.
I
I
I
don't
think
that's
what
blueprint
boise
is
asked
to
happen
in
those
activity
centers.
I
think
it's
a
lot
less
intense
than
that,
but
all
every
new
ordinance
I've
written
for
a
long
time
does
talk
about
now.
C
It's
got
a
gradation
where
you're
you
might
be
in
an
activity
center,
but
you
are
within
a
distance
of
a
residential
neighborhood.
Certain
things
get
off
the
table.
The
building
step
down
often
buffering
goes
up.
Sometimes
car
circulation
is
not
allowed
in
that
area,
and
you
kind
of
build
that
into
your
code.
It
happens
all
over.
We
need
activity
centers,
given
we
need
residential
neighborhoods,
given
we
need
them
to
stop
fighting
with
each
other
so
to
come
up
with
a
series
of
transition
rules.
That
say
this
is
the
baseline.
Yes,
you
bought
activity
center.
C
Yes,
you
can
do
some
intense
mixes
of
things.
No,
you
cannot
do
that
on
the
parts
of
it
that
are
closest
to
the
residential
neighborhood.
That
is
a
scaled
down
in
a
whole
variety
of
about
five
ways
that
you
could
scale
down.
Different
cities
choose
different
combinations
of
those
things.
I
I
hope
that's
responsive
to
your
concern.
C
C
C
If
we
can
and
with
the
caveat
you
are
always
free,
always
free
to
email,
andrea
with
additional
questions
on
any
of
these
things,
and
she
will
try
to
get
an
answer
either
on
her
own
or
through
or
through
us
to
answer
question
after
the
meeting
or
we're
going
to
have
time
at
the
end
of
the
meeting
for
just
open
discussion
too.
So
all
right
in
light
of
that,
I'm
gonna
keep
moving
on
because
there's
another
very
important
matter
of
fact
harder
topic
oops.
C
B
B
I'm
seeing
lots
of
chat,
saying,
let's
move
forward
and
everybody
seems
to
be
okay,
so
why
we
have
some
momentum.
Let's
keep
going
because
I
would
like
to
preserve.
You
know
five
or
ten
minutes
at
the
end,
so
that
we
can
address
any
attendees
questions
or
comments
that
they
might
have
as
well.
So
so
take
it
away.
C
All
right,
let's
do
it
again,
then:
let's
do
this
all
right,
residential
variety,
a
city
for
everyone,
almost
all
new
ordinances
and
and
blueprint
boise
starts
and
all
news
ordinances
try
to
allow
new
types
of
housing
that
they
didn't
allow
before.
I
have
a
slide
right
after
this.
I
think
that'll
make
much
more
clearer,
but
basically
in
in
a
lot
of
older
codes,
the
types
of
housing
in
some
residential
zone
districts
is
pretty
limited,
and
that
makes
it
harder
for
the
market
to
respond
to
the
affordability
crisis
missing
middle.
C
That's
my
next
slide
and
new
types
of
housing
that
make
it
easier
for
the
elderly
to
age
in
place
without
moving
to
a
different
neighborhood.
That's
we're
seeing
that
in
a
lot
of
plans,
but
we
also
see
it
just
in
concerns.
It's
you
know,
I'm
a
baby
boomer.
There
are
a
lot
of
us
getting
older
there,
a
lot
of
us
retiring
and
in
many
cases,
we're
retiring
out
of
neighborhoods,
that
we
dearly
love
and
if
we
had
to
move,
we
would,
as
we
can
no
longer
take
care
of
our
houses
but
we'd.
C
We
would
rather
have
something
nearby
that
allowed
us
to
age
in
place,
and
that
requires,
in
many
cases,
a
different
kind
of
housing.
So
here's
your
here
is
your
menu
of
zone
districts,
and
this
time
I've
walked
out
on
a
limb
and
said:
let's
talk
about
low
density
residential
because
there's
a
very
im
there's
a
there's,
a
lot
of
energy
there's
a
lot
of
distrust
or
angst
over
what
might
happen,
and
that's
true
in
every
city,
in
this
case
I'll
stand
by
my
comment
regarding
distrust,
but
this
particular
topic
provokes
concern
everywhere.
C
C
C
I
do
want
to
have
just
this
one
slide
on
missing
middle
housing,
because
if
you're
a
planner
planner
geek,
then
you
know
this.
You
know
what
this
is,
but
I
and
it's
bandied
about
as
if
everybody
knows
what
it
is,
and
I
think
a
lot
of
the
public
does
not
know
what
this
is
about
and
and
that
a
lot
not
knowing
so
is
distrust.
C
It
really
is
any
form
of
housing
that
bridges
the
traditional
gap
between
single-family
or
duplex
houses
and
apartment
buildings.
Opticos
logo
is
at
the
bottom
of
this
slide,
they're
a
firm
out
of
berkeley,
california,
they're
highly
competent
they
and
we
compete
on
jobs.
Opticos
is
very
visual
and
design
oriented
and
and
it's
theirs
and
I
give
them
full
credit.
This
is
a
very
good
conversation
around
america.
C
Their
drawing
has
become
the
icon
of
why
we
need
to
have
this
conversation
and
how
what
direction
steve
can
take.
So
I'm
giving
full
credit
to
opticos.
I
didn't
invent
this.
They
invented
it.
Every
city
talks
about
it.
Often
it's
not
in
so.
If
you
look
at
this
in
their
drawing
this
iconic,
drawing
a
duplex
side
by
side
or
stacked
is
something
a
fourplex.
What
about
a
courtyard
building
where
you
would
have
we've
seen
these?
They
were
built
in
the
20s.
They
were
built
in
the
teens
they're,
not
terrible.
C
Some
are
very
beautiful,
courtyards
cottage
houses.
I
could
talk
about
that.
Townhouses
attached,
low
density,
multiplex,
even
stacked
flats
we're
starting
to
see
three
story:
town
houses
where
those
are
two
different
townhouses,
one
on
the
ground
floor
and
one
on
the
upper
two
floors,
or
vice
versa
or
live
work,
a
townhouse
type
product
where
you
could
actually
operate
a
business
more
than
a
home
occupation
off
the
ground
floor
and
live
above
it
or
behind
it.
C
C
C
But
we
don't
have
to
have
a
formula.
We
don't
have
to
have
a
picture
that
it
has
to
be
like
this.
What
we're
talking
about
is
the
scale
and
the
size
and
the
height
and
the
feel
of
what
we're
doing
and
let
the
architects
figure
out
what
they
can
do.
So
again,
there
are
two
choices:
some
newer
zoning
ordinances
address
this
by
allowing
new
types
of
housing,
almost
all
of
them.
C
Do
it's
been
a
long
time
since
I
wrote
a
code
that
did
not
involve
new
types
of
housing,
you
could
be
the
exception
and
if
that's,
what
boise
wants?
That's
fine,
but
that's
not
what
blueprint
boise
says
you
could
allow
them
in
existing
residential
zoning
districts
and
infuse
them
think
about
sprinkling
the
right
to
do
different
kinds
of
housing
over
some
areas,
usually
not
all
areas,
but
some
areas
where
you
can't
do
them
today.
I.E.
C
C
That
would
allow
this
to
happen,
but
council
is
going
to
have
to
decide
to
apply
them
now
again
we're
looking
at
this
here.
So
obviously
those
are
not
on
off
choices.
You
could
say
well,
we
want
some
new
districts
and
we
want
to
talk
about
some
housing
variety
in
some
existing
districts,
but
here's
what
blooper
and
boise
says
encourage
a
mix
of
housing
types
in
residential
neighborhoods,
implement
standards
that
require
a
mix
of
housing
types.
It
actually
says
proportion
the
size
of
development,
provide
incentives.
C
So
we
have
a
lot
of
experience
with
this.
I
want
to
encourage
you
that
it
is
it
is
it's
not
an
on
off
choice,
it
can
be
a
mix
of
both
or
neither
but
the
reason
it's
a
hard
conversation
is
that
if
you
decide
at
the
beginning
that
you're
not
going
to
change
your
existing
neighborhoods
and
you're,
only
doing
new
district
write
a
new
district
done,
let
a
thousand
flowers
bloom,
make
every
form
of
housing
available
and
then
we'll.
Let
council
will
decide
whether
it
wants
to
apply
it
anywhere.
C
Not
you're
not
going
to
get
a
lot
of
variety,
because
each
one
of
those
is
a
political
trip.
Cities
have
this
discussion
because
the
way
the
more
effective
way
to
build
diversity
is
to
is
to
think
very
hard
about
where
it
should
be
allowed
in
the
existing
neighborhoods.
So
each
one
is
not
an
individual
rezoning.
That's
why
they
do
it.
They
didn't
wake
up
being
liberal.
They
didn't
wake
up
being
socialist,
they
didn't
wake
up
being
housing
advocates.
C
C
M
All
right
so
a
couple
comments
and
questions,
so
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that
these
missing
middle
types
aren't
necessarily
new.
If
you
go
around
neighborhoods
in
boise,
you
know
north
end
other
neighborhoods,
and
you
look
really
closely.
You
will
see
these
duplexes
and
these
quote
unquote
like
mansion
style,
apartment
complexes,
sprinkled
into
single-family
neighborhoods.
So
something
to
consider
the
question.
M
I
guess
I
have
for
you
dawn
and
maybe
we
won't
get
there
today,
but
is
how
do
you
achieve
that,
while
not
like
you
said
making
it
a
political
football
and
while
maintaining
you
know
feels
of
certain
neighborhoods,
I
guess:
do
you
do
it
neighborhood
by
neighborhood,
do
you
have
a
zone
for
each
of
those
areas?
Do
you
have?
C
There
are
lots
of
ways
of
doing
it.
It's
exactly
right
in
the
end
I'll
default
back
to
to
something
that
I
think
you
know
four
six
months
from
now,
you'll
you'll
appreciate
we.
We
have
to
put
something
on
the
table:
people
it's
hard
to
talk
about
conceptually
at
some
point
and
we've
told
you
it's
in
april.
We
will
put
this
on
the
table
and
talk
about
it.
C
We,
you
can
do
it
by
the
following.
You
could
say,
as
we
propose,
for
example,
guys
I'm
making
this
up.
This
is
no
nobody's
written
one
sentence
of
any
proposed
revision
to
this
ordinance.
So
far,
if
you
were
to
say
in
the
following
district,
we
want
to.
We
think
that
it
ought
to
that
four
plexes
should
be
allowed
with,
with
after
a
public
hearing
making
this
up
you
also
in
the
u
specific
standards
might
say
this
is
only
limit.
This
is
limited
to
lots
on
corner
lots.
C
This
is
limited
because
we
would
not
mind
having
them
or
limited
to
areas
that
are
within
x,
distance
of
a
collector
or
higher
level
street.
You
you
put
the
if
ands
or
buts.
In
the
same
so
the
people
could
say
you
know,
I'm
not
anti
everything,
but
I'm
worried
about
how
many
of
these
we
would
get
I'm
worried
about
where
they
would
be
located.
I'm
worried
about
whether
the
speculators
will
come
in
and
take
over
the
whole
neighborhood
and
buy
houses,
because
now
they
can
make
more
money
with
this
new
housing
type.
C
So
you
limit
it.
You
say
no
more
than
x,
you
say
no
more
than
y,
you
know
they
have
to
be.
They
can't
use
more
than
x
square
feet
of
a
lot
or
you
say
the
unit
can't
be
any
bigger
than
an
average
single
family
house.
In
that
neighborhood
or
I
mean
set
the
numbers,
don't
make
them
do
an
average.
You,
you
set
a
number
and
people
say
well.
How
are
they
gonna
get
four
units
in
there
answer.
C
I
don't
know,
but
the
answer
is:
when
it
happens,
it
won't
be
bigger
than
your
house
and
it's
gonna
have
parking
for
those.
So
the
short
answer
ian
is
we're
going
to
have
to
go
out
on
a
limb
at
some
point.
I'd
love
to
do
it
with
some
feedback.
We
got
as
many
hands
on
this
as
we
had
on
all
the
other
ones.
So,
but
you
you
limit
the
impact
so
that
people's
first
question-
how
do
I
know
this
saying
yes
to
this-
will
not
ruin?
C
My
neighborhood
is
answered
in
some
of
the
limits
that
you
put
on
how
much
of
that
could
be
done
and
if
we're
wrong
people
will
be
sure
to
tell
us
and
they're
very
free
to
tell
us
I'll,
give
shorter
answers
from
now
on
richard.
Let's
go
down
the
line
here
as
they
appear
on
my
screen.
So
I'm
sorry.
If
it's
not
a
order,
would
you
raise
your
hands,
but
let's
just
go
down
the
road
richard.
F
F
F
So
you're
starting
to
get
there
and
talking
about
how
it
might
be
limited,
but
there
are
a
lot
of
competing
interests
and
policies
and
guidelines
in
in
blueprint
boise,
which
are
going
to
be
stretched
when
or
could
be
stretched
a
lot
of
times
by
focusing
on
that
part
of
blueprint,
boise
I'll
shut
up.
I
know
it's
kind
of
along
lines.
C
C
C
C
As
many
of
you
want
to
hear
what
I
heard
you
say
richard
though
very
politely,
and
I
I
think
you
feel
personally
pretty
strongly
about
this
topic
is,
is
you
know
be
careful
I
if,
if
you,
if
you
want
me
to
hear
don,
don't
don't
put
it
into
the
existing
residential
neighborhoods
I'll
I'll?
Happily
take
that
as
your
vote.
But
what
I
heard
you
say
is
be
careful
and
and
don't
read,
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
language
in
blueprint,
boise
about
preserving
the
character
of
your
wonderful
residential
neighborhoods.
Don't
forget
that
don!
F
Well,
I
know
you're
going
to
anyways
I
and
I
don't
even
want
to
say
that
I
don't.
I
don't
want
to
say
that
thin
ice
part,
but
I
will
say
there
may
be
certain
places
and
kind
of
what
you're
alluding
to
where
there
is
a
convergence
of
meeting
many
of
the
goals
of
the
other
goals
which,
because
I
think
you
know
people
in
my
neighborhood,
they
read
blueprint
boise
and
they
say
yeah
all
these
environmental
sustainability.
Things
are
great.
F
You
know
they
might
not
be
paying
attention
to
so
much
about
the
mixed
use
side
of
things.
At
any
rate,
always
in
our
mind,
I
think
how
do
we
maximize
all
of
blueprint
boise,
including
the
livability
components,
because
you
know
I've
said
it
before
if
these
things
aren't
applied
systematically
and
consistently
across
the
city?
And
so
you
know,
that's
we,
those
of
us
in
neighborhoods,
where
they
we
don't
feel
like
the
livability
side
of
things,
are
ever
discussed.
You
know,
that's.
We
want
those
things
to
be
important
in
blueprint
boise
as
well.
C
I
I
think
the
question
is:
do
we
add
more
zoning
districts
or
do
we
consolidate
what
we
have
to
create
more
housing
types
and
I
think
we're
gonna
have
to
strike
a
balance?
Okay,
in
the
sense
that
I
think
of
the
north
end.
So
I've
been
in
boise
a
few
years
and
I've
watched
the
north
end
completely
changing
characteristic,
and
that
is
because
there's
a
huge
push
for
the
adus
and-
and
the
adus
in
essence
were
thought
of
well,
we
can
get
more
affordable,
housing
and
whatnot.
I
That's
not
really
that
much
more
affordable,
but
but
it's
starting
to
solve
a
problem.
So
I
think,
as
as
we
look
at
this,
you
made
a
really
great
point.
We
have
to
set
the
parameters
for
the
new
type
of
housing
going
into
existing
neighborhoods
so
that
it
does
not
complicate
or
or
upset,
as
we
say,
protect
the
we
need
to
protect
the
character.
So
I
I
think
I
think
it's
really
a
combination
of
not
more
zones
but
a
better
definition.
C
N
That's
that
that
there
everybody
subject
to
the
new
rules,
and
so
it's
both
slightly
broader
and
then
it's
generally
perceived
as
fairer.
Rather
than
saying,
hey
we're
just
taking
this
area
that
used
to
be
r2
and
we're
going
to
up.
You
know
we're
going
to
really
change
the
rules
in
that
one
zone
and
somehow
that
group
got
picked
on.
N
So
I
just
wonder
if
you're
so
that
that's
sort
of
my
intuition,
but
I'm
wondering
if
your
experience
in
other
areas,
I
could
also
imagine
that
there
would
be
a
mix.
But
this
kind
of
you
know
kind
of
equity
case
for
let's
do
this
in
a
broad-based
way,
so
that
we
make
a
big
change
across
like
that
within
a
you
know,
these
existing
zoning
codes
that
everybody's
familiar
with
everybody
who's
in
that
code.
Suddenly
there
are
going
to
be
new
some
new
rules
that
allow
some
new
types
of
housing.
N
C
Well,
I
don't
want
to
predict
how
this
is
going
to
come
out
in
boise,
but
the
short
answer
is
the
equity.
The
fairness
argument
that
you've
made
is
a
common
argument.
There's
a
con
there's
a
corollary
argument
that
if
we
say
that
if
we
apply
it
in
a
broader
area,
the
impact
of
it
on
each
individual
neighborhood
will
be
less
because,
in
fact,
you're
not
kind
of
steering
people
towards
that
neighborhood
or
only
allowing
it
there.
People
who
want
to
do
this
will
be.
It
will
have
a
wider
variety
of
choices.
C
You'll
get
fewer
of
them
in
each
neighborhood
as
the
market
responds
and
therefore
each
one
of
us
will
feel
less
pain
or
less
change.
So
the
short
answer
is
I
I
I
I
want
to
hear
what
everybody
says.
I
don't
really
have
an
answer
for
you,
except
that
in
general,
you,
you
propose
things
that
you
think
are
fair
and
will
make
a
dent
in
this
process,
meaning
it'll
make
a
meaningful
change
on
the
citywide
and
boise,
and
then
politics
pushes
back
and
you
wind
up
somewhere
in
the
middle.
L
I
think
this
is
great.
I
agree
with
broad-based
approaches
to
allow
more
housing
options
throughout
the
city.
A
lot
of
people
want
to
live
in
boise
and
many
people
are
priced
out
and
finding
ways
to
accommodate
them
in
existing
neighborhoods
of
all
types,
including
my
own,
is
wonderful,
and
I
support
all
of
this.
J
Yeah,
I
think
I
guess
my
personal
opinion
as
a
as
a
designer
of
missing
metal,
housing
and
affordable
housing
and
other
housing
options
that
all
of
boise's
neighborhoods
really
are
capable
of
increasing
and
accommodating
density,
increased
density
to
a
point
and
many
of
them,
if
not
most
of
them,
can
accommodate
density
increases
in
a
in
a
in
a
beautiful
and
graceful
way.
Depending
on
how
the
neighborhood
was
originally
planted,
gridded
neighborhoods
densify
in
a
very
different
way
than
suburban
neighborhoods
corner
lots
versus
interior
lots.
J
C
All
right,
thank
you.
We
have
four
hands
and
I'm
going
to
take
them
all,
but
I'm
not
going
to
respond
to
any
of
them,
because
I
want
everybody
to
be
heard
and
I
want
there
to
be
a
couple
minutes,
so
everybody
could
kind
of
limit
themselves
to
kind
of
a
minute
or
so
then
we
could
still
finish
and
and
andrea
will
still
be
able
to
see.
If
we
have
participant
observers
in
there
so.
E
So
roberta
in
the
chat
mentioned
defining
affordable
housing
and
I
guess
I
would
echo
roberta's
request.
I
think
the
city
should
be
clear
in
how
we
as
a
city
are
defining
affordable
housing
and
I
will
look
no
further
than
the
housing
bonus
and
the
pnz
meetings
and
the
city
council
meeting
people
had
different
ideas
of
affordable
housing.
There.
People
in
the
r2
who
submitted
comments
who
were
they
did
not
want
that
kind
of
housing
in
their
neighborhood.
E
A
E
C
O
Thanks
don
just
a
quick
thought,
on
kind
of
a
second
order,
consequence
to
this
discussion
and
one
of
the
ideas
that
you
threw
out
about,
possibly
allowing
the
missing
middle
within
a
certain
distance
of,
let's
say
a
certain
categorization
of
a
thoroughfare
or
a
collector
type
street.
That
could
help
build
the
case
and
the
demand
for
other
transit
options,
which
would
ripple
throughout
blueprint
boise
and
some
of
the
goals
that
are
in
there.
C
P
I
actually
just
had
a
question
how,
in
my
area
of
boise,
we
have
like
every
subdivision
is
their
own
neighborhood
and
they
all
have
their
own
name
and
their
own
cc.
And
ours-
and
I
know
some
of
those
ccnrs
are
written
specifically
to
like
how
big
your
house
can
be,
what
it
can
look
like
how
many
levels
so
how?
How
does
this
if
we
were
to
go
to
putting
more
different
types
of
housing
within
those
neighborhoods,
some
of
which
are
like
brand
new
neighborhoods?
C
Short
answer:
zoning
does
not
supersede
private
covenants,
so
most
cities
say:
listen,
that's
a
private
contract
among
people
who
bought
houses
in
that
thing
and
they're
legally
binding
and
they
but
they're
enforced
by
the
neighborhood
they're,
not
enforced
by
the
city.
The
city's
hands
can't
be
tied
by
what
the
individual
people
signed
a
private
contract
that
they
would
or
would
not
have.
We
are
going
to
zone
the
city.
This
is
the
normal
answer:
we're
going
to
zone
the
city
to
accommodate
our
comprehensive
plan.
C
But
the
the
outer
areas
with
modern
covenants
don't
want
to
so
they're
going
to
let
you
know
when
you
go
in
they're
going
to.
If
you
pull
a
permit
for
one
they're
going
to
go,
say
sam,
don't
do
that
we're
going
to
have
no
choice
but
to
sue
you.
So
where
will
it
go?
Well,
it
won't
go
in
those
neighborhoods.
It
may
go
into
the
inner
neighborhoods
or
the
older
neighborhoods
that
don't
have
covenants.
C
There
is
an
equity
issue
that
zoning
cannot
solve,
because
zoning
cannot
supersede
private
covenants,
but
generally
cities
say,
but
we're
not
going
to
have
our
hands
tied
by
private
covenants,
because
sometimes
they
don't
get
enforced
sometimes,
even
though
you've
written
it
you
use,
you
know
you
go
to
your
hoa
and
they
say
we're
not
going
to
allow
this
and
other
people
in
the
hoa
say.
Well,
actually
I
don't
think
we
should
be
spending
our
money
enforcing
this
one.
C
I
don't
think
we
ought
to
do
it
now
and
therefore
the
city
says,
since
we
don't
actually
know
whether
it
will
be
allowed
to
happen
or
not.
We
are
going
to
do
what
we
think
is
in
the
public
interest
and
if
we
run
into
a
private
agreement
that
thwarts
it
so
be
it,
but
I'm
pointing
out
today
we
will
get
into
an
equity
discussion
about
that.
If
people
perceive
that
the
newer,
richer
neighborhoods
will
not
be
affected
by
this,
but
older
areas
will
be
brad.
B
Can
hear
you,
but
I
am
not
hearing
brad
with
us,
so
while
brad
is
trying
to
figure
that
out,
I
do
want
to
go
to
the
chat,
so
roberta
has
asked
us
to
define
affordable
housing
as
it's
going
to
start
to
overlap
with
housing
types.
So
I
think
we'll
do
that,
and
we
can
do
that
as
part
of
your
minutes,
so
that
you
have
an
idea
there
and
we've
also
been
asked
to
define
what
neighborhood
character
is.
B
B
So
in
response
to
the
diagnostics
report,
if
predictability
is
a
big
concern,
it
seems
that
creating
a
new
zone
and
requiring
rezone
applications
on
a
case-by-case
basis
perpetuates
the
problem
or
unpredictability
people
are
concerned
with
today.
It
could
be
widely
unpredictable,
with
changes
in
decision
makers
etc.
C
C
A
G
G
My
understanding
and
you
can
help
me
is.
I
appreciate
the
question
about
defining
affordability.
I
think
it's
incredibly
complicated
that
that
somebody
asked,
but
I
wanted
to
understand
if,
if
what
we're
talking
about
today
really
has
a
whole
lot
to
do
with
the
incomes
of
folks
living
there-
and
I
know
we're
not
allowed
to
do
you-
know
we're
not
allowed
to
require
in
this
state.
G
The
the
state
supreme
court
has
not
allowed
us
to
require
affordable
housing
in
any
place
and
that's
been
brought
to
them
twice,
and
so
I'm
wondering
what
the
fear
is.
Someone
can
help
me
understand
what
the
fear
is
in
regards
to
defining
affordable,
affordable
housing,
because,
I
would
say,
I
think,
to
create
housing
for
everybody,
that's
achievable
for
anyone
and
any
income.
You
need
to
have
a
variety
of
housing
types
throughout
that
location.
B
Yeah
so-
and
I
think
that's
perfectly
stated-
is
that
you
know
if
we
do
revisit
those
initiatives
and
priorities
that
we
have
for
the
city
is
creating
places
and
housing
for
everyone,
and
so
I
want
everybody
to
do
a
big
reach
and
think
about.
You
know
what
what
your
needs
are
as
a
student,
what
your
needs
are
as
as
a
young
professional.
C
C
A
B
A
B
Q
All
right,
thank
you.
You
guys
are
tackling
a
big
problem.
It
was
very
eye-opening
for
me
to
sit
in
today
and
I
I
appreciate
what
you're
doing.
One
of
the
comments
I
had
is
what
what
are
the
impacts
of
covid
remote
work
and
all
that?
How
does
that
impact
the
zone
and
where
we
go
with
this
thing
I
mean
what
I'm
an
observer,
but
I
see
more
people
moving
to
the
suburbs
getting
out
of
the
out
of
the
city.
They
don't
want
to
give
up
their
cars
right.
They
want
independent
transportation.
Q
Q
Q
I
don't
really
want
to
see
high
density
infill
projects
coming
onto
the
lot
next
door
to
me,
I've
seen
it
in
other
areas
of
the
city
and
the
impacts
are
not
nice
and
and
the
people
that
I
think
live
by
those
they're.
You
know
they're
they're,
taking
an
impact
and
not
getting
mitigated
for
their
impact.
Q
Q
You're
right,
you
got
to
hold
equity
for
those
that
are
already
there
and
that
did
their
work
and
put
their
blood,
sweat
and
tears
into
their
property
that
they
love
and
they
want
to
maintain
so
the
others
I
have
are
more
appropriate,
maybe
for
down
the
road,
but
thank
you
for
giving
me
a
chance
to
voice
my
opinion
and
thank
you
for
what
you're
doing.
I
think
we
need
to
do
it.
It's
a
hard.
C
Problem
well
leonard,
I
I
thank
you
for
making
that
comment.
You
know
one
of
the
things,
despite
everybody's
efforts,
to
try
to
listen
to
every
voice,
what
you
just
articulated.
I
think
you
probably
speak
for
a
number
of
a
lot
of
people,
and
so
it's
good
to
get
that
on
the
record
and
to
remind
us
of
that,
so
I
I
am
very
grateful.
You
made
that
comment.
R
O
R
A
lot
of
the
conflicts,
including
with
the
I'm
sorry
I
can't
really
hear
because
of
the
piano.
Thank
you.
The
the
housing
bonus
ordinance
wasn't
necessarily
that
people
didn't
want
to.
You
know,
have
affordable
housing
in
their
neighborhood
anything,
but
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
as
your
consultant
described
very
well
trade-offs
that
go
on.
You
know
helping
developers
be
able
to
to
put
things
in
place,
but
then
the
buildings
themselves
are
really
tacky.
You
know,
and
so
I'd
love
to
learn
more
about
that
mixture
of
form-based
zoning.
R
In
with
the
euclidean,
I
learned
a
lot
listening,
so
thank
you
and
I
also
did
find
the
survey
extremely
complex
to
try
and
fill
out,
and
I
have
you
know,
degrees
and
understand
zoning
somewhat.
So
I
think
there
were
probably
quite
a
few
people
who
could
not
fill
it
out
because
it
was
so
complex.
I
think
I
may
have
even
stopped
at
one
point
and
it
seemed
to
be
kind
of
leading
in
one
direction,
so
I
do
put
that
out
there,
as
somebody
else
mentioned.
C
Thank
you
and,
as
I
said
earlier,
we
we,
we
admit,
num
enough
people
didn't
finish
it
and
enough.
People
have
told
us
that
it
was
complex
that
we
will
we'll
have
to
do
better
in
the
future.
I
will
say
this
before
andrea
winds
it
up,
but
thank
you
for
sticking
with
us.
You
know
I
was
worried.
This
is
very.
C
This
was
a
very
full
schedule
of
very
difficult
topics,
but
thanks
for
hanging
in
there
and
thank
you
for
the
comments
and
don't
forget
that
you
know
if
you
just
were
mulling
it
over
in
your
head
and
you
weren't
quite
sure
what
you
thought
about
it.
But
you
want
to
get
you
you.
You
have
thoughts
about
it,
send
them
to
andrea
and
get
them
get
them
included.
C
B
Yeah,
so
we
just
want
to
thank
everybody
for
participating.
We
don't
have
any
additional
comments
from
our
youtube
viewers.
We
did
have
between
six
and
ten
that
kind
of
popped
in
and
out
throughout
the
meeting.
So
we
do
have
people
interested,
and
this
is
a
important
endeavor.
So
we're
excited
that
you're
here
with
us,
then
you're
kind
of
taking
this
journey
with
us,
because
your
perspective
is
important.
So
thank
you
once
again.
B
If
you
do
have
questions,
let
me
know
we'll
be
sending
out
minutes
tomorrow
for
you
and
then
all
of
this
information
is
always
on
your
google
drive
as
well.
So
anytime
you'd
like
to
to
refresh
your
memory
on
a
presentation,
a
document,
an
article,
that's
all
there
for
you
and-
and
it
will
be
so
so
feel
free
to
use
that
as
a.