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A Boulder View - May 2011, Episode featuring Lisa Morzel and Valerie Matheson. Lisa Morzel is interviewed by Carl Castillo about the city's West TSA. Valerie Matheson is interviewed by Jody Jacobson about Boulder's role in managing bears and mountain lions and the city's Urban Wildlife Management Plan.
A
Hi
and
welcome
to
a
bull
review,
I'm
Carl
Castilla
in
the
first
segment
of
the
show
I'll
be
speaking
with
councilmember
Lisa
Moore
zel
about
the
recently
approved
West
trail
study
area
plan,
a
ten-year
strategy
to
balance
the
need
to
preserve
and
protect
the
natural
resources
and
cultural
resources
of
the
city's
western,
most
open
space,
with
a
need
to
maintain
and
improve
the
visitor
experience
of
those
lands
in
the
second
half
of
the
show.
Jodi
Jacob
Senate
will
be
speaking
with
Val
Matheson
about
City
efforts
to
manage,
bears
and
mountain
lions
in
our
community.
A
A
B
So
where
it
is
it's
basically
all
of
our
acquired
open
space
from
west
of
boulder
and
its
northern
boundary
would
be
linden
avenue
and
its
southern
boundary
would
be
Eldorado
Springs.
So
it's
this
diverse
piece
of
land
that
basically
goes
from
our
planes
all
the
way.
To
our
mountain
backdrop,
it
is
our
largest
trail
study
area
of
the
four
that
we
have
west
north
east
and
south,
and
it's
also
the
most
heavily
visited.
It
probably
has
the
most
diverse
cultural
and
natural
resources.
So
it's
very,
very
special.
It's.
A
B
B
Think
you
know
we
have
our
birds
squirrels
Albert
ad,
they
call
them
aber
squirrels
and
then
different
bird
species.
Different
rare
grasses
we've
got
mountain.
Lions
bears
all
kinds
of
different
wildlife
it.
It
is
almost,
and
people
talked
about
it
in
in
the
discussion
that
led
up
to
our
decision
as
almost
the
National
Park,
saddest.
A
B
I
think
we
want
to
look
at
that.
We
have
an
estimated
five
to
five
and
a
half
million
visits
per
year,
which
is
greater
than
rocky
mountain
national
park.
You
know
when
you
look
at,
we
have
forty-eight
thousand
acres,
Rocky
Mountain,
National
Park
is
much
larger.
I
can't
say
exactly
how
large
it
is
I
know
in
Yellowstone,
where
I
work,
it's
three,
it's
two
million
acres
and
they
have
about
three
and
a
half
million
visitors
a
year.
So
you
put
that
in
comparison.
A
B
Know
it
comes
into
you
know
the
ecological
integrity
of
the
land,
but
also
one
of
the
things
we
were
trying
to
achieve
here-
was
recreational
opportunities
and
enjoyment
and
making
sure
that
people
who
or
gaining
access
and
having
access
to
the
open
space
we're
having
an
experience
that
was
a
pleasurable
and
memorial
memorable
one
and
not
one
that
they
came
back
from
their
hike
or
their
bike
ride
irritated.
But
that's.
A
B
I
think
it's
a
way
to
look
at.
You
know
how.
Well
we
did
the
visitor
master
plan
back
in
in
2005
and
in
order
to
really
address
the
different
issues
in
the
visitor
master
plan.
We
originally
had
nine
trail
study
areas
and
those
were
consolidated
into
for
study
areas
which
have
already
mentioned
those.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
the
ecological
values
are
being
retained,
if
not
improved,
and
we
also
want
to
make
sure
that
the
amount
of
visitors
and
the
uses
that
are
there
aren't
coming,
aren't
having
conflict.
Okay,.
A
B
I
think
it's
it's
an
important
thing.
You
asked
about
a
number
of
people
coming
to
our
open
space
from
outside
of
the
city
and
when
we
started
a
green
tag
program
back
in
two
thousand
five,
with
the
visitor
master
plan,
we
have
over
20,000
green
tags
now
that
people
use
for
dogs
and
and
the
green
tags
is
kind
of
an
educational
program
for
dog
user
people
who
want
to
have
their
dogs
on
voice
in
sight
right.
C
A
B
I
thought
it
was
really.
It
was
very
interesting.
I
think
all
nine
of
my
all
nine
council
members
did
an
incredible
job
at
really
looking
at
this.
They
may
have
had
positions
when
they
started
off,
but
I
think
each
and
every
one
of
us
took
it
very
seriously,
listen
to
all
the
different
groups
and
went
out
on
ground
and
saw
for
ourselves.
You
know
what
the
conditions
were.
B
A
B
B
I
think
there
were
many
of
us
who
had
this
issue
of
you
know.
Are
we
loving
our
open
space
to
death
and
how
do
we
address
that?
And
how
do
we
avoid
user
conflicts?
We
all
came
to
unanimous
agreement
that
the
trails
that
had
been
recommended
for
dog
free.
We
didn't
think
that
those
were
the
right
ones.
We
came
to
unanimous
decision
that
you
know
there
was
not
a
north-south
connector
for
mountain
bikes.
Don't.
A
A
B
Trail,
we
came
to
unanimous
decision
that
we
really
needed
to
curtail
the
use
of
undesignated
trails,
social
trails
and
two
we
one
of
the
things
one
of
the
ecological
values
we
were
trying
to
achieve
was
defragmentation
of
the
open
space
and,
as
you
are
well
aware,
the
more
fragmented
piece
of
property
becomes
that
wild
wild
land,
the
less
integrity
it
holds
shorts
ecological
values.
Well,.
A
So
you
raised
some
topics
that
I
thought
I
was
about
to
ask,
which
is,
if
you
look
at
the
open
space
in
the
city
of
Boulder
I.
Think
almost
everyone
agrees
that
it's
a
tremendous
value.
We
all
love
it
for
a
variety
of
reasons.
We
love
the
views
that
it
provides.
We
love
the
ecological
values
that
it
provides
for
us,
but
beyond
that
commonality,
people
look
at
it
a
little
differently.
A
Some
love
just
having
it,
knowing
that
it
provides
a
buffer
around
the
city
and
perhaps
to
shape
kind
of
an
urban
core
mix
is
very
distinct
from
other
cities
and
that's
enough,
whereas
on
the
other
side
of
the
spectrum,
there
are
those
who
really
intensely
want
to
use
it.
We
have
the
rock
climbers,
we
have
the
hikers,
we
have
the
mountain
bikers
we
have
a
question
users,
users
that
you
were
talking
about
so
in
terms
of
the
decisions
that
council
made,
how
did
those
users,
or
even
those
non-users
fair?
Were
they
happy
with
the
decision?
A
B
Think
you
know,
and
I
was
thinking
about
this
and
getting
prepared
for
this
interview
today
and
I.
Think
if
we
had
had
a
little
bit
more
conversation,
maybe
with
the
open
space
board
of
trustees
or
the
CCG,
we
might
have
had
a
better
understanding
of
how
they
came
to
their
decisions
on
on
the
horses.
But,
as
you
know,
when
we
looked
at
our
mats
at
all,
the
users
were
now
being
required
to
be
on
corridor
or
on
trail
and
except
for
the
horses.
And
so
when
you
look
at
this
map
and.
C
A
B
A
B
B
I
think
there's
also
a
real
misunderstanding
out
there
by
the
horse
user
group,
and
that
is
that
councils
trying
to
take
horses
off
of
open
space,
which
is
absolutely
not
the
case
and
in
fact,
we
added
new
horse,
trailing
trailer
parking
spaces
and
we
added
additional
trails
for
horses
to
use.
Okay.
A
B
A
Let
me
ask
you
one
more
question
in
this
regard,
so
beyond
a
West
PSA,
there
was
a
lot
of
issues
that
were
discussed
that
really
apply
equally
to
the
entire
open
space,
not
just
the
western
part
of
this
one
of
the
questions
that
some
people
have
asked.
They've,
certainly
Avast
me
is
the
city
owns
45,000
acres
or
more
of
open
space,
and
so
people
will
ask.
When
is
enough
enough?
A
B
Number
one
I
would
say
that
we
have
an
accelerated
acquisition
plan,
and
so
somebody
wants
to
know
what
our
plan
is.
They
can
go
to
and
look
at
that.
The
other
question,
the
other
responses
that
we
are
still
buying
open
space
and
it's
important
for
ecological
purposes,
but
it's
also
important
for
potential
developments
that
may
occur
outside
of
the
city
of
Boulder,
but
have
severe
economic
transportation
and
environmental
impacts
on
the
city
of
Boulder.
A
What
we're
not
done
yet
we're
not
that
it's
interesting,
because
it's
really
hard
to
convince
a
public
who
assumes
that
area?
That's
not
developed
is
already
protected
and
staying
well.
It
may
look
green
and
may
look
open
to
you
right
now,
but
it's
in
private
hands
and
it
can
be
developed.
So
it
really
does
require
a
lot
of
foresight,
a
lot
of
background
information
and
really
the
ownership
parcels
all
right.
B
And
I
think
you
know
we
it's
not
like.
We
just
see
a
piece
of
open
space
and
say
hey
we're
going
to
buy
that
we.
This
has
a
lot
of
serious
thought
and
decision-making
that
goes
into
what's
a
environmental
integrity
of
that
land.
You
know
what
are
the
rare
species
that
might
be
on
it?
What
could
be
the
potential
recreational
use
of
our.
A
C
Many
crimes
committed
in
Boulder
are
crimes
of
opportunity.
You
can
greatly
reduce
a
criminal's
opportunity
to
hurt
you
by
following
some
simple
steps,
always
be
aware
of
your
surroundings.
Don't
limit
your
ability
to
hear
by
wearing
headphones
or
talking
on
a
cell
phone
while
walking
or
jogging
criminals,
don't
want
to
attract
attention.
Your
voice
can
be
a
powerful
weapon
in
preventing
or
interrupting
an
attack.
You
hold
the
key
to
your
own
safety.
You
can
make
a
difference.
D
Welcome
back
to
boulder
view
joining
us
today
is
the
city's
urban
wildlife
coordinator,
Val
Matheson
owls
here
to
talk
to
us
about,
bears
and
mountain
lions
in
and
around
the
city
limits,
and
what
the
city's
role
is
to
help
manage
that,
thanks
for
being
here
today,
Val
happy
to
be
here,
so
I
think
it's
no
surprise
to
most
people
that
living
this
close
to
the
foothills.
We
see
a
lot
more
large
animal
interactions
and
it
being
spring
we're
probably
going
to
start
hearing
a
lot
more
about
sightings
for
bears
and
mountain
lions.
I
know.
D
E
We
went
to
City
Council
because
we're
in
the
process
of
developing
the
bear
and
mountain
lion
management
plan.
It's
part
of
the
urban
wildlife
management
plan,
it's
one
chapter
of
it
and
we're
at
the
middle
phase.
So
we've
already.
The
first
phase
was
identifying
issues
which
we
did
last
year
and
now
we're
working
on
the
analysis.
Or
what
can
we
do
about
those
issues
and
that's
why
we
went
to
council
to
get
some
feedback
and
direction
on
what
we
can
do
with
this
urban
wildlife
management
plan.
So.
E
D
E
It
I'm
it's,
you
know,
basically,
the
the
mammals
we
see
in
town
and
it
ranges
from
the
large
bears
and
mountain
lions
and
dear
to
raccoons
and
fox
and
things
we
see
in
town,
and
we
have
an
urban
wildlife
management
plan.
That
vision
was
identified
or
accepted
by
council
back
in
2006
and
one
component,
which
was
prairie
dogs
and
so
now
we're
to
develop
the
rest
of
the
plan
based
on
what's
happening
in
the
city
and
our
highest
priorities,
which
right
now
is
black,
bear
mountain
lions.
E
Know
we
don't
know-
and
you
know
after
we
have
this
developed.
There's
talk
dear,
have
been
a
challenge,
a
safety
issue
and
may
be
something
we
could
think
about
more
broadly
or
other
municipalities
are
developing
coyote
management
plan.
So
we're
not
really
sure
what
the
next
plan
is.
We're
just
sort
of
working
on
our
timeline
for
for
blackberry,
mountain
lion.
Now
so.
D
E
So
what
we
really
identified
as
issues
for
you
know
that
different
for
black
bear.
It
is
one
there
they
have
a
history
of
getting
in
trash
in
the
city
of
Boulder
and
since
2003
we've
had
about
six
black
bear
destroyed
in
the
city
and
about
12
relocated,
and
we
we
know
that
bear
getting
into
trash
constantly.
So
what
we're
trying
to
do
with
bear
is
think
about.
Why
are
they
in
town?
What
are
they
getting
into?
And
how
can
we
be
better
stewards,
or
what
can
we
do?
E
D
E
Know
it's
a
lot
of
different
things.
I
think
in
what
we're
really
working
with
here
is
a
community
value
that
Boulder
the
residents
of
Boulder
value
wildlife.
They
don't
want
harm
to
come
to
wildlife.
So
there's
one
aspect
that
it's
not
good
for
bears
to
be
eating
trash
and
we
find
aluminum,
foil
and
cellophane
and
scat-
or
you
know,
that's
left
behind.
E
We
don't
want
them
sick,
we
also
don't
want
them
destroyed
and
if
the
Division
of
Wildlife
determines
that
a
bear
is
a
nuisance
or
a
public
safety
concern,
it
can
be
destroyed
and
though
they
work
very
hard
for
that
not
to
happen
in
the
city.
That's
an
issue.
We
also
don't
want
trash
sprayed
around
and
we
don't
want
the
potential
for
public
safety
to
be
compromised
because
of
these
big
mammals
being
in
town.
So
there's
there's
a
lot
of
reasons
why
it's
not
a
good
idea
to
have
them
in
town,
so.
D
E
You
know
so
so
it's
I
can't
really
speak
to
you
know
the
divisions
policies,
but
they
do,
they
will
ear
tag
a
bear.
That's
been
a
problem
and
relocated,
and
if
that
bear
comes
back
or
is
again
an
issue,
it
will
be
destroyed
and
I
know,
there's
a
variety,
a
variety
of
tools
in
their
toolbox
as
to
how
they
will
address
or
work
with
an
animal.
That's
a
nuisance
or
a
public
safety
concern.
E
But
in
general
you
know,
we
sort
of
think
when
a
barrister
relocated
that
you
know
oh
great,
it
was.
You
know
the
problems
dissolve,
but
the
truth
is
when
a
bear's
been
relocated.
There's
a
pretty
high
probability
that
it's
going
to
get
into
some
kind
of
trouble
somewhere
else.
Once
it's
been
habituated
to
eating
trashing
and
getting
into
food,
it
shouldn't
be
eating.
So
so.
D
E
It's
a
really
good
point,
because
it's
confusing
when
we
say
the
city
is
working
on
a
wildlife
management
plan
and
it's
an
important
point
that
the
Division
of
Wildlife
is
responsible
for
actually
managing
directly
managing
those
animals,
so
you're
completely
right,
they're,
the
ones
that
do
the
relocation,
what
the
city's
role
is
and
I
would
say.
Also
the
community's
role
is,
is
trying
to
think
about.
How
can
we
avoid
these
potential
conflicts?
What
can
we
do
before
anything
happens?
That
makes
a
conflict
less
likely,
and
that's
really
what
this
plan
is
about?
E
How
can
we
manage
our
trash
better
for
bear,
but
for
mountain
lions,
something
that's
come
up.
Is
you
know
people
are
surprised
or
say
if
I
had
known
that
a
mountain
lion
would
come
into
my
backyard
on
sixth
Street
and
take
my
small
dog,
I
wouldn't
have
gotten
a
small
dog,
and
so
there's
definitely
need
for
more
information
and
awareness
so
that
people
understand
that
these
animals
are
in
town
and
what
the
impacts
of
having
them
are
right.
C
D
E
I
mean
that's
one
of
them:
it
we
assume
for
the
most
part
they're
coming
in
town
for
prey,
but
there
are
other
urban
features
that
are
also
inviting
to
mountain
lions.
You
know
we
live
in
an
arid
environment
and
a
lot
of
backyards
have
water
features
like
pawns
and
and
waterfalls,
and
so
resources
that
might
be
more
hard
to
come
by
in
general
and
natural
areas
might
be
easy
to
come
by
in
a
backyard.
E
So
primarily
deer
is
what
they're
eating,
but
raccoons
fox
pets
like
cats
and
dogs,
prey
in
general
and
and
they're
also
they're
opportunistic.
So
there
you
know,
there's
been
a
great
study
with
the
division
of
wildlife,
coloring
them
and
we
are
getting
a
little
bit
more
information
about
what
they're
doing,
but
generally
Lions
are
spending
most
of
their
time
in
natural
areas
and
then
sort
of
doing
a
swoop
through
town.
And
if
there's
you
know
water
or
pets
or
a
deer
and
in
right
spot
at
the
right
time.
They'll
they'll
take
advantage
of
that.
So.
E
But
we
do
see
more
with
bear
set,
will
have
a
bear
that
will
be
coming
down
in
the
season,
then
keep
coming
down
and
keep
coming
down,
and
once
they're
rewarded
it's
harder,
particularly
in
years
where
there's
not
a
lot
of
food
and
the
natural
area
is
to
get
the
bear
to
go
back
and
ran
forage
and
natural
habitat.
So.
D
It
it
also
seems
like
I
guess,
from
what
I
heard
with
community
members
who
are
speaking
at
the
glass
council
meeting
there.
There
seems
to
be
more
fear
around
the
mountain
lion
and
I.
Don't
know
if
that's
warranted
or
not
in
your
opinion,
but
people
seem
to
fear
an
attack
from
a
mountain
lion
more
than
they
do
from
a
bear.
And
that's
just
my
perception.
I
don't
know
if
that's
true
that.
E
Seems
to
be
the
case,
the
teams
that
there's
a
lot
more
fear
associated
with
lions
than
with
bears,
although
there
have
been,
I
think,
two
people
in
colorado,
killed
by
mountain
lions
and
a
similar
number,
maybe
even
one
more
same
ballpark
by
bear,
there's,
certainly
a
perception.
I
think,
though,
that
lions,
because
they're
predators
and
they
prey
on
on
animals,
that
it
could
be
the
their
two-year-old
next
and
that's
certainly
a
possibility.
The
chance
is
really
miniscule.
It's
really
rare
that
lions
prey
on
on
people,
but
but
it's
it's
possible
so.
E
And
going
on
I
mean
that's
one.
One
aspect
that
came
up
in
the
issues
is
that
people
do
want
more
information
and
the
Division
of
Wildlife
and
the
city
has
a
huge
education
effort
and
talking
to
school
groups
and
kids
and
adult
groups
about
wine
and
beer
biology,
and
what
to
do,
if
you
see
one
and
how
to
make
your
home
more
safe.
E
So
both
departments
are
very
active
in
education,
something
that
we
identified
in
the
issues
in
developing
this
plan
is
we
could
do
more
with
getting
that
information
out
to
people
in
the
form
of
a
website
or
in
an
outreach
just
so
that
people
aren't
surprised
that
a
lion
was
sighted
at
iris
and
30th,
or
some
of
these
areas
that
there's
I
think
a
perception
that
they're
kind
of
stand
to
the
west.
Where
really.
D
E
Are
working
on
it
that
we
have
a
website?
That's
ww,
boulder
wildlife
plan
net,
where
we
are
now
putting
up
some
of
that
information
on
the
division
worked
on.
Bear
and
lion
frequently
asked
questions
about,
bears
and
lions
and
boulder
that
we
have
posted
as
well
as
a
map
of
activity,
and
that's
really
where
our
point
of
information
is
going
to
be
your
resource.
But
we're
once
our
plan
is
done,
will
develop
that
a
little
bit
more
okay,.