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A
Doing
it
after
that.
amanda,
cusworth,,
cob:,
yes,,
yes,,
jill,
lester,,
boza,
chair:,
all
right.,
good,
evening,
or
afternoon.,
I
guess
we're
kind
of
in
the
afternoon.
still,.
This
is
a
meeting
of
the
board
of
zoning
adjustment.
A
A
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:
hearing.,
but
we
have
first
twenty,
one,
twenty-four
pine
street,,
then
nine
hundred
and
seven
eleventh
street,
and
then
eight,
twenty,
thirty-six
street.
A
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:
on
each
item.,
the
staff
will
present
first,
and
the
applicant
second.
um,.
Just
so.
You
know
right
after
staff
presents
the
board,
normally
ask
staff
questions,
and
then
the
applicant
gets
their
opportunity
to
present.
A
A
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:,
some
of
the
things
we
try
to
share
with.
people
are
voting
rules,
et
cetera.,
but
before
I
do
that
we
normally
do
have
a
decorum
comment.
Uh:
is
that
devin?
are
you
gonna
do
that??
I
will
actually
do
this?
for
tonight's
meeting,
gentlemen?
thank
you,,
amanda.
welcome.
yeah,.
Let
me
just
share
my
screen
here.
Real
quick.
C
C
C
C
Amanda
cusworth,
cob:
no
participant
shall
make
threats
or
use
or
use
other
forms
of
intimidation
against
any
person.
C
Amanda
cusworth,
cob:
participants
are
required
to
identify
themselves,
using
the
name.
They
are
commonly
known.
By,
and
individuals
must
display
their
whole
name
before
being
allowed
to
speak
currently.
only
audio
testimony
is
permitted.
Online.
C
Amanda
cusworth,
cob:,
you
can
use
the
raise
hand
function
on
the
bottom
bar
of
your
screen.,
we're
in
zoom
webinar
format.
C
Amanda
cusworth,
cob:
um..
If
there
are
any
participants
on
the
phone,,
you
may
dial
star
nine
um!,
which
will
alert
us
that
you
have
raised
your
hand
to
speak
when
it's
your
turn.
um!.
I
will
be
adjusting
the
settings
and
allow
you
to
unmute
yourself.
C
A
A
Devin
saunders,
cob:
thank
you.
glad
to
be
here.
jill,
lester,
boza
chair:
thank
you..
So
when
you
go
over
the
voting
roles,
now.
um!,
just
so
that
everybody,
when
you're,
it's
your
turn.,
you
know
how
our
board
works,.
So
we
have
a
full
board
here.
Tonight.,
an
affirmative
vote
of
three
or
more
board
members
shall
result
in
passage
of
the
motion..
An
applicant
cannot
be
approved
with
less
than
three
affirmative
votes.
A
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:,
if
the
first
vote
taken
on
a
motion
to
prove
or
deny
an
application,
results
in
a
tie,
two
to
two,,
the
applicant
shall
be
allowed
to
rehearing
a
tie.
Vote
on
any
subsequent
motion.
to
approve
or
deny,
shall
result
in
defeated.
The
motion
and
denial
of
the
application.,
a
vote
of
two
to
one
or
one
to
two
on
a
motion,
shall,
in
all
respect
to
be
considered
a
tie;.
A
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:,
so
I
am..
We
are
now
ready
to
proceed.
um!.
With
the
first
item
on
our
docket,
which
is,
I
get
there.
D
D
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:,
the
resulting
west
setback,
will
be
approximately
five
point.
Seven
feet
taken
from
the
closest
point
of
the
rear
addition,,
where
eight
point
six
feet
is
required,
and
we're
approximately
five
point.
Seven
feet
taken
from
the
closest
point
of
the
house,
exists
today.
section
of
the
land
use
code
to
be
modified
for
the
revised
code.
Um,.
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
section
nine
hundred
and
seventy-one
boulder
revised
code,,
one
thousand
nine
hundred
and
eighty-one,
and
up
there
on
the
screen.
You
have
the
location
of
the
subject:
property.
two
hundred
and
twenty-four
pine
street,.
The
front
yard
is
up
or
north
along
pine
street,
and
within
the
packet
I'm
the
board..
I'm
sure
you
notice
that
there
were
two
letters
of
support,.
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:,
and
that
was
from
two,
one,
one,,
eight
pine
street
and
two
one,,
two
zero
pine
street,,
which
are
the
two
properties
to
the
west;,
also
the
two
properties
that
would
be
directly
impacted
by
the
combined
side,
yard
setback
variance,
and
to
the
south
of
the
property
is,.
It's
called
the
twenty-first
street
alli.
It
is
a
an
ally,.
D
Robbie
wyler,,
cob:
and
there,
up
on
the
screen..
You
see
the
existing
site
conditions
as
well
as
to
the
right..
You
see.
The
survey
plat
that
shows
the
existing,
and
down
is
the
front
of
the
property.
um,
in
case
that
looks
a
little
off,,
so.
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
to
the
upper
portion,,
where
it's
a
single
family,
brick
house.,
that's
where
the
subject
addition
is
going
to
be
added
on
to
the
house
pending
tonight's
decision,,
and
then
we
have
the
existing
conditions
today..
This
is
the
single
story.
single
family,
house,
nonconforming
house,
that
is
out
there.
Today.
D
D
D
Robbie
wyler,,
cob:
and
circled
there
in
red.,
I
have
the
subject
side
of
the
house.
um..
The
single
family
homes
are
required
to
meet
two
setbacks,
two
different
setback.
Requirements.
one
is
the
minimum
setback,,
which
is
five
feet,,
and
then
the
other
is
combined.
setback,,
which
is
the
total
of
both
yards
needs
to
add
up
to
fifteen,.
D
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
variance.,
it
is
just
the
combined
um!.
That's
why
it's
um.
they're
meeting
five
on
both
sides,,
so
they're
meeting
the
minimum.,
but
because
the
east,
um,
or
right
on
the
image
set
back,
is
currently
at
six
point.
Four
feet..
The
difference
of
fifteen
is
six
point.
four
means
that
they
have
to
have
at
least
eight
point
six
feet
on.
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:,
the
west
side.
with
that
um,
they're
proposing
five
point
seven..
So
that's
why
it
is
a
combined
side.
here
it's
set
that
variance
um,
and
not
a
minimum.
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:,
and
then
we
also
have..
This
is
all
provided
within
the
application
materials.
we
have
the
subject
existing
and
proposed
conditions,
or
the
proposed
conditions
of
both
the
main
level
and
the
upper
level
as
well
as
up
there.
On
the
screen.
um,,
you
see
the
proposed
elevations,
architecture,
elevations
for
all
sides
of
the
house,.
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
and
then
the
kind
of
darker
area
that
denotes
the
the
addition
to
the
house,
and
you
can
see
on
the
lower
right
image.
That
is
the
west
side
of
the
house,
the
more
impactful
side
of
the
house,
and
you
can
see
the
subject.
addition
to
the
right
of
that
image
into
the
right
of
the
existing
house.
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
little
on
the
way
of
the
zoning
metrics..
It
is
owned.
rmx..
One
lot
size
is
just
over
seven
thousand
square
feet,,
where
six
thousand
is
the
minimum
for
the
zoning
district..
The
maximum
allowed
building
coverage
for
the
property
is
twenty,
four,,
fifty,,
one,
and
including
the
addition,.
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:,
the
proposed
floor
area
is
proposed
at
twenty-seven,
forty-three,.
Both
of
these
would
be
confirmed
at
time
of
building
permit,.
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
and
then
solar
access
area,
two,,
which
is
a
twenty-five
foot,
solar
fence,
not
impacted,,
and
no
violation
is
created
as
a
result.
of
the
addition
we'll
verify
that
at
building
permit
like
always
and
then
same
with
side
yard,,
while
articulation
and
side
yard
bulk
plane,
not
impacted,,
but
will
be
verified
at
time
of
building
permit,.
D
Robbie
wyler,,
cob:,
today,
and
then
low
away
in
the
history..
The
house
was
built
circa
in
one
thousand
nine
hundred
and
five,,
so
the
existing
setback
conditions
are
were
somewhat
different
than
what
we
would
see
today,,
especially
the
combined
setback.
Requirements.
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
with
that
being
said,,
the
applicant
did
respond
to
criterion.
h.
one
and
h.
five,,
and
that
is
what
staff
also
reviewed.
When
determining
our
recommendation.,
we
are
gonna.
We
are
recommending
support
of
the
application,
as
it
has
been
presented
by
the
application.
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
um,,
considering
the
law,
restrictions
and
the
fact
that
it's
not
a
minimum
side
here
at
setback,,
but
one
of
the
two
combined
setback
combined
setback,
requirements.
oh,.
We
feel
it
is
a
minimal
variance.,
um,,
relatively
speaking,
and
would
not.
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:,
a
negatively
impacted
surrounding
properties
or
the
neighborhood,
or
the
character
of
the
neighborhood,,
and
then
the
two
neighbors
that
would
be
directly
impacted,
have
written
in
with
support,,
and
that
has
been
provided
so
with
that
staff
is
recommending
support
of
the
application
as
presented.
A
E
A
E
Hollis
daniel:
oh,,
let's
say
halls,.
If
you
want
to
go
ahead.
well,
we're
just
saying
I
I
mean
robbie
did
a
great
job,,
explaining
all
the
things
that
we
are
requesting.
um..
We
love
this
house.
we've
owned
it
for
a
little
bit
now,
and
I
grew
up
in
the
wood.
Your
neighborhood.,
so
we're
just
trying
to
update
this
old
cool
house,
and
the
reason
we're
asking
for
that
side
set
back
is
so
that
it
doesn't.
The
addition
doesn't
look
like
a
big
mushroom
in
the
back..
We
kind
of
want
to
keep
it
like.
F
E
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:
thank
you.,
buffy
andrews:,
I'm
buffy
andrews..
I
live
at
fifteen
thirty,,
six,
easy
rider
lane
in
boulder
and
um,
and
working
with
hollis
and
callum.
yes,
and
and
thank
you,
robbie,.
You
did
a
fact,,
this
job
explaining
it.
um.,
and
so
basically
we
wanted
to
keep
the
footprint
as
compact
as
possible.
E
Buffy
andrews:
and
really
use
that
nook
to
maximize
the
amount
of
area
that
we
can
get,,
but
not
spread
it
all
the
way
across
the
site,,
as
well
as
architecturally
work
within
the
historic
nature
of
that
building,
which
is
such
a
neat
building
on
pine
that
we
wanted.
uh,
and
the
clients
wanted
to
preserve
the
you
know
the
building
itself
and
just
work
within
its
envelope..
It's
already
established.
E
A
G
A
C
Amanda
cusworth,
cob:
yeah,.
If,
if
anybody
would
like
to
raise
their
hand
now,
it's
the
time
to
do
so,
so
I'll
give
them
just
a
second
for
that.
C
A
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:
and
it
doesn't
seem
like
it's
very
controversial.
so
now.
May
I
please
ask
whether
or
not
there.
is
a
motion.
G
Jack
rudd,
boza:,
I
moved
there..
We
approved
the
request
for
variance,
for
uh,.
G
Jack
rudd,
boza:
those
number
two
thousand
and
twenty-two
to
zero,
zero,,
one
five,
two
thousand
one
hundred
and
twenty-four
pine
street
as
exhibited.
A
A
A
A
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
okay.,
so
this
is
docket
number
boz,,
two,
zero,
two,
two,,
zero,
zero,,
one,
six..
The
address
is
nine
hundred
and
seven
eleventh
street,,
and
this
is
a
fence
setback,
variance
as
part
of
a
proposal
to
recognize
and
establish
a
portion
of
an
existing
fence
along
the
south
property
line.
D
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:,
the
resulting
fence,
setback
from
the
subject.
Public
side
walk
along
aurora
avenue
will
be
approximately
zero
feet,
where
eighteen
inches
is
required
and
approximately
zero
feet
exists.
Today.
section
of
the
land
use
code
to
be
modified.,
section,
nine
hundred
and
fifteen,
all
the
revised
code,
one
thousand
nine
hundred
and
eighty
one.
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
and
going
into
my
presentation.
this
is
somewhat
different
from
most,,
if
not
all
the
board
members,
a
fence,
setback,
variance.
um,.
This
is
not
um,
as
it
relates
to
the
house,,
but
just
specifically
the
fence
along
aurora
avenue.
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
and
up
there
on
the
screen
we
have,
the
property.
aurora
is
to
the
south
and
eleventh
street
is
to
the
front,.
And
then
we
have
an
alley
to
the
west
or
left
of
the
property
up
on
the
screen.
D
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
um..
This
is
associated
with
an
active
ongoing
enforcement
matter.,
more
particularly
a
site
triangle.
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
issue,
that
was
that
that
was
presented
along
the
alley.,
so
the
left
part
of
that
circle,
and
the
applicant
has
been
working
with
the
city.
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
to
get
that
addressed,
and
in
that
review
it
was
also
realized.
recognize
that
there
is
a
fence
set
back.
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
matter
within
the
code.
We
do
require
eighteen
inches
that
is,
within
boulder
revised
code,
nine,
nine,
fifteen,,
and
it
does
provide
an
avenue
through
bosa.
D
D
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
from
our
transportation
engineering
manager
and
that
group,
um,,
stating
their
support
of
the
setback.
Variance
from
that
group
who
primarily
is
who
oversees
the
safety
of
the
sidewalks.
and
anything
transportation
related.
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:.
This
is
part
of
a
bigger
project
which
is
to
address
site
triangle
as
well
as
setback,,
but
they
did
provide
that
support
for
the
setback.
Specifically.
um,
in
case
the
board
was
wondering
what
would
the
city's
view
on
having
less
than
eighteen
inches
be?.
So
that
is
why
that
letter
was
provided,.
D
D
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:,
approximately
zero
inches.
and
then
beyond
that,
closer
to
the
alley
is
where
that
nine
feet
of
fence
will
be
modified
to
meet
the
site.
triangle
requirements..
But
there
is
a
portion
of
the
fence
that
is
proposed
to
remain.
D
D
D
robbie
wyler,
cob:
also.
um!,
there
is
permit
history..
There
was
a
fence
permitted
back
in
one
thousand
nine
hundred
and
ninety-eight,,
and
this
was
all
detailed
within
the
applicants,
materials.
um!
and
then
also
there
was
some
fixing
of
the
fences,
and
all
of
that
after
one
thousand
nine
hundred
and
ninety-eight..
So
this
fence
has
gone
through.
D
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
so.,
rather
than
replacing
the
entire
fence,
the
applicant
is
requesting
a
fence
setback,
variance
for
just
that
portion
along
aurora
avenue
at
approximately
zero
feet,,
where
eighteen
inches
is
required,
and
there
the
red
line
that
you
see
up
on
the
screen.
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
is
the
proximate
of
where
that
fence
is
to
be,
or
is
to
remain.,
and
then
also,
like
I
said,
a
portion
of
the
fence
around
the.
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
of
one
to
two
feet.,
just
within
the
fence,,
and
to
move
the
fence
back
eighteen
inches.
um,,
although
it
might
be
possible.
um,,
it
won't
be
just
straightforward.
Moving
offense.
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
it
would
require
having
to
modify
and
move
a
existing
rock
wall,
and
possibly
do
some
grade
work.
and
with
that
it
is
an
existing
condition.
We
recognize
it
is
not.
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:,
so
all
that
being
said,
steph
is
recommending
support
as
presented,,
and
this
is
kind
of
a
new
one..
So
if
you
have
any
questions,
I'd
be
more
than
happy
to
answer
them.,
but
I
also
know
the
applicants
might
have
more
to
add
on
in
terms
of
the
history,
and
moving
forward,.
So
I
will
leave
it
at
that..
A
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:
thank
you,,
robbie.
jill,
lester,,
boza
chair:,
so
first
we'll
ask
board
whether
they
have
questions
of
staff.
G
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
and
within
that
it
is
detailed
as
a
possible
issue
to
the
site
triangle
for
this
fence,
and
through
evaluation
of
that
enforcement
matter..
It
was
also
made
known
that
there
is
a
setback
issue
with
offense.,
so
it
was
kind
of
presented
through
the
enforcement
case.
D
B
A
I
I
I
I
B
B
B
Erin
poe
cob:
with
the
eighteen
inches
the
site
triangle.
The
bos
variance
would
not
change
those
requirements.
B
F
D
D
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
but,,
like
with
all
variance
matters..
It
is
something
that
can
be
modified,
and
that
really
does
not
come
specifically
from
zoning,,
which
is
why
we
did
reach
out
to
our
colleagues
in
transportation
engineering
to
get
their
input.
um..
If
they
had
concerns
with
a
setback
of
eighteen
inches,
they
would
have.
Let
us
know
in
that
would
have.
D
D
D
A
A
A
A
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:.
When
I
heard
that
explanation
first,,
I
was
like,,
you
know
that's
what
it
is,
and
then
I
thought
about
it,
for
instance.
well,.
But
you
shouldn't
be
writing
about..
You
might
be
pushing
it,,
but
you
should
be
writing,,
and
so
I
think
in
my
mind
that
because
niki,
I'm
kind
of
where
you
are,
I
I
was
absolutely
like,
hmm..
I
don't
really
feel
like.
I
want
to
approve
something:
that's
pretty
clear
in
the
call,,
but
the
way
robbie
is
explaining
it
with
the.
A
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:,
you
know
they've,
given
a
pathway
to
variance.
secondly,.
I
wish
my
neighbors
would
have
gone
and
gotten
variances
because,
ted,,
you
know,.
If
they're
supposed
to
pull
up,
perm,
it's
this
really
complicated
thing
going
on
with
the
fence
code,
and
it
not
is
not
always
logical..
A
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:
um!
jill
lester,
boza
chair:,
so
this
one
is
tricky,
and
I
just
want
to
say
I
feel
the
angst
over.
well,.
Why
is
it
there??
Then
you
know,?
Why
do
we
have
eighteen,
inches,
is
it?
and-
and
you
can
see,
if
you
walk
on
a
sidewalk
where
the
fence
is
right,
necessary.,
you
definitely
feel
more
constrained.
A
A
A
H
Jonathan
(he/him)
skinner-thompson:,
so
uh,
thanks
so
much,
robbie,
for
the
presentation..
My
name
is
jonathan
skinner,
thompson.
I'm.,
one
of
the
property
owners
of
nine
hundred
and
seven
eleventh
street,
in
boulder,,
with
my
husband,
scott,
who's,
not
able
to
be
here..
We
purchased
the
property,
I
think,
in
two
thousand
and
fifteen,
but,
as
robbie
explained,
um,.
There
had
been
a
fence
in
that
location
along
aurora
and
along
the
alleyway
for
a
number
years
of
years,,
dating
back
to
at
least
one
thousand
nine
hundred
and
ninety-eight,.
H
H
Jonathan
(he/him)
skinner-thompson:
handful
of
years
ago..
Now
there
was
some
wind
events,
and
then
part
of
our
fence
was
fell.
Down.,
we
replaced
it..
The
people
that
we
contracted
with
to
replace
it,
ended
up
cutting
the
stretch
along
aurora
um,,
and
so
we
had
to
rebuild
that,
and
we
put
it
in
the
same
spot
where
it
was,,
though
a
different
style.
um,
my
understanding
to
get
back
to,.
I
think
jack's
question
how
this
started
as
an
enforcement
action,.
My
understanding.
H
H
Jonathan
(he/him)
skinner-thompson:
through
some
discussions.,
it
was
then
raised
that,
or
at
least
identified,-
that
there
was
the
eighteen
and
set
back
issue
as
well.
um.,
and
so
we've
been
in
discussions
with
the
city's
attorney's
office,
and
with
various
folks
in
the
city
to
resolve
the
issues..
And
so
what
we're
requesting
today
is
robbie.
H
H
Jonathan
(he/him)
skinner-thompson:
address.
the
site
triangle
issue
that
was
raised,,
so
there
will
be
nine
feet
from
the
corner
of
the
alleyway,,
where
there
will
be
no.
H
Jonathan
(he/him),
skinner-thompson:
fence,,
or
at
least
we'll
draw
a
triangle
there,,
so
that
that
will
be
unobstructed
to
to
address
the
the
safety
concerns
that
the
city
had
identified.
um..
But
we
would
request,
or
are
requesting,
that
the
eighteen
and
setback
requirement
for
the
remaining
portion
of
the
wooden
fence.
H
Jonathan
(he/him)
skinner-thompson:
um,
that
we
be
granted
a
variance
for
that
in
light
of
the
reasons
that
we
included
in
our
application,
and
that
were
highlighted
by
robbie.
H
Jonathan
(he/him)
skinner-thompson:
pertaining
to
kind
of
the
unusual
situations
with
the
rock
wall
and
the
and
the
drop
off,
et
cetera..
So
um,
I'd
be
more
than
happy
to
address
any
questions
that
you
have.
C
Amanda
cusworth,
cob:
participate
in
public
comments..
Now
is
your
time.
if
you'd
like
to
raise
your
hand.
C
A
A
G
G
G
I
Nikki
mccord,
boza
member:
jack,.
I
respectfully
disagree
with
kind
of
the
simplicity
of
it.
I
Nikki
mccord,
boza
member:
understanding
that.
I
I
Nikki
mccord,
boza
member:,
the
folks
who
don't
have
a
voice.,
the
people
who
aren't
on
this
call
um,
and
I'm
thinking
when,
when
I
heard
that
eighteen
inches,
and
I
heard
the
safety,
and
and
I
did
hear
from
robbie,
as
well
as
kind
of.,
they
talked
to
transportation.
Transportation
didn't
raise
this
as
an
issue.,
I'm,
feeling
very
uncomfortable
with
the
buck.
Like.
I
I
I
I
I
Nikki
mccord,
boza
member:
paid
a
lot
of
money
to
put
this
fence
up.,
so
in
order
to
get
to
the
safety
of
this,
and
again,.
This
is
nothing
that
this
board
can
approve,
and
I'm
not
asking
us
to
approve
it.,
but
I'm
just
saying,,
like
the
reason
why
I
probably
would
not
approve..
This
variance
is
because
I
want
to
see.
I
I
A
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:
um,,
because
I'm
like
nicky,,
I'm
pretty
conflicted
about
this,
largely
because
of
the
precedent
that
it
sets
for
all
the
other
fences
that
are
non
conforming
as
a
matter
of
fact,.
We'll
never
get
reinforcement
on
all
of
these
fences,
and.
A
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:,
the
question
of
to
what
extent
is
it?
a
safety
issue
or
not.
Is,
is
partially
effective
to
me
by
a
perception
of
how
level
the
rest
of
the
ground
is
adjacent
to
the
sidewalk,,
and
I
couldn't
tell
from
the
images,
and
unfortunately,
I
didn't
get
to
drive
by,.
A
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:,
so
I
don't
know
the
answer,
and
we
can
ask.
I'll
ask
you
that
in
a
minute,
jonathan.
but
um!.
I
think
I
want
to
go
back
a
little
bit.
If
I
can
nick
it.
everybody,
robbie,,
you
put
up
the
image
with
multiple
years
of
photos
on
there,,
and
I
wondered
if
you
could
put
that
back
up
again,
just
for
a
minute,.
A
Jill
lester,,
boza,
chair:
and
and
jonathan
you
mentioned
one
thousand
nine
hundred
and
ninety
eight,,
but
I
think
the
oldest
image
we
have
is
two
thousand
and
seven,.
A
A
Jonathan
(he/him)
skinner-thompson:
is
there
another
reason
why
you
know
that?
sure,,
I'm
happy
to
answer
that.
So
with
respect
to
the
rock
wall,,
you
can
see
that
in
exhibit
the
the
top
right,
corner.
unfortunately,,
there's
snow,
there.
but
um,
though
the
level
of
the
the
sidewalk
is
at
the
bottom
of
the
the
wooden
fence,,
and
you
can
see
the
other
side
of
it
in
the
two
thousand
and
nineteen
photo
on
the
other
side
of
that
fence..
Of
course,
there's
about
a
a
two
foot
drop
off
into
where
our
yard
is.
H
Jonathan
(he/him),
skinner-thompson:,
um,
and
so
they're
on
different
planes,,
and
my
sense
is
that
this
rock
wall
was
constructed
to,
and
I
suspect
it
also
predated
the
sidewalk
to
help
hold
up
whatever
fence
was
originally
permitted.
There.
H
Jonathan
(he/him)
skinner-thompson:
one
of
our
these
other
slides
here
uh,
of
course,.
We
don't
have
a
a
photo
of
that
we're
not
able
to
confirm
with
any
images..
We
also
didn't
purchase
the
property
until
after
two
thousand
and
fifteen..
So
even
the
two
thousand
and
seven
photo
like
that
that
predates
us
as
well.
um,.
H
Jonathan
(he/him)
skinner-thompson:,
there
is
a
photo
in
jonathan
(he/him)
skinner-thompson:,
our
application.
um,.
That
shows
you
the
fence
that
existed
immediately
prior
to
the
one
that
we
built.
um!.
It's
rather
faded..
It's
an
old
cedar,
fence.
um!,
that's
the
one
that
we
believe
that
has
been
there.
For,
uh,,
at
least
when
we
were.
H
H
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:,
it
answers
my
questions.
thank
you.
um!
and
you
could
drop
that
screen
share..
I
will
hold
on
one
second,,
so
I
think
one
of
the
things
if
I
was,,
if
we
were
all
together.,
if
you
guys
imagine,
I
don't
think
you
can
see
my
cursor.
but.
A
A
A
A
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:.
I
think
that
that
this
is
another
one
of
those
rules
where
people
end
up,,
probably
saying
things
like,.
Why
do
we
have
this??
Can
we
be
more
clear?
why
we
have
this,
aaron,?
Did
you
have
a
comment
for
us
because
I
got
a
little
message
on
here?,
but
I
didn't
see
the
message.
B
B
Jill
lester,,
boza
chair:
and
the
tricky
part
with
exhibit
f.
if
you
look
at
that.
one
is
that
you
can't
see
the
condition
on
the
other
side
of
the
fence,.
So
you
can
see
there's
a
retaining
wall
in
the
in
and
and
I,
robbie,
is..
It
was
the
eighteen
inch,,
not
a
code
requirement
in
one
thousand.
Nine
hundred
and
ninety-eight.
D
A
A
A
A
A
G
Jack
rudd,
boza:,
we
don't
know
the
answer
to
that.,
so
you
know,,
since
I'm
just
I'm
falling
back
to.
G
A
A
A
J
J
Katie
crane,
boza
member:
and
his
husband
have
submitted
this
application
and
sort
of
gone
through
this
process,
and-
and
you
know
our
our
abiding
by
rules
that
apparently
people
on
your
street,,
you
know,
haven't
even
bothered
with
um..
They,
they
they're
already,,
you
know,,
above
and
beyond
what
a
lot
of
people
are
doing,
without
even
trying
to
apply
to
the
board.
J
Katie
crane,
boza
member:
to
get
a
variance.,
so
I
I'm
just
inclined
to.
J
J
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:-
and
I
was
just
gonna
say
if
there
are
any
concerns
that
the
board
would
be
setting
precedent
just
like
with
any
other
variance
application..
This
would
not
be
um..
This
has
the
same
criteria
that
a
setback
variance,
for
in
addition
to
the
house
would
have.,
and
the
reason
is
so
that
the
board
can
make
your
decision.
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:,
based
off
the
review
criteria
specifically,
and
on
the
requests
on
merit..
So
because
were
this
to
get
an
approval,,
it
would
not
set
a
precedent
that
somebody
down
the
street
or
next
door
could
do
the
same
thing,.
They
would
have
to
apply
just
like
this,
and
respond
to
the
criteria
and
justify.
D
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
um,.
It's
not
saying
that
because
of
this,.
D
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
create
other
issues
or
be
a
concern.
um!
through
other
review
processes..
That
letter
is
just
kind
of
clarifying
that.
no,,
it
would
not
be.,
and
this
is
an
ongoing,,
bigger
matter
which
involves
the
site
triangle..
So
I
just
mostly
wanted
to
say
that
this
is
just
like
with
anything
else
to
be
tied
into
the
review.
criteria
and
um,
I'll
leave
it
at
that..
H
Jonathan
(he/him)
skinner-thompson:
was
gonna,
say
robbie
had
addressed
as
well
specific
to
your
concerns,
too,,
with
the
setting
potentially
a
precedent,
or
some
suggestion
that
there's
that
this
requirement
is
not
necessary,,
you
know..
I
think
our
property
also
demonstrates
that
we.
H
Jonathan
(he/him)
skinner-thompson:,
when
appropriate,
support
the
eighteen
and
setback
requirement
in
part..
If
you
look
at
the
metal
fence
that
we
built
afterwards,
that
satisfies
even
more
than
eight,,
I
think
it
might
be
even
twenty
inches.
H
Jonathan
(he/him)
skinner-thompson:
um!,
and
so
we
certainly
appreciate
that.,
but
as
we
went
through
the
variance
criteria,,
noting
that
there
are
unusual
physical
conditions
that
we
did
not
create.
um,.
I
think
that,
hopefully
we
would
give
you
some
comfort,
and
recognizing
that
this
isn't
trying
to
suggest
that
all
fences
would
be
able
to
avoid
this.
This
requirement,-
and
we
just
want
that
limited
approval
for
this
particular
situation.
K
Marine
siohan
boza
member:
triangle
like
a
traffic
triangle,
or
however,.
They
call
it
um,,
which
definitely
was
a
concern
of
mine.
um!
in
terms
of
safety.
I'm
not
concerned
about
the
fence
being
on
the
sidewalk
for
safety
purposes.,
my
guess,
is,,
it's
more
of
a
aesthetic.
K
Marine
siohan
boza
member:
requirements
than
anything..
I
I.
K
K
Marine
siohan
boza
member:,
careful
in
terms
of
using
resources
that
we
don't
need
to.
and
when,
in
times
that.
K
K
K
Marine
siohan
boza
member:
within
that
eighteen
inches
requirements
or
something
like
this.
A
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:.
I
would
be
approving
this
on
the
basis
of
site,
physical
site,
conditions
that
make
it
just
as
they
outlined
in
their
application
that
make
it
difficult
for
them,,
if
not
impossible,,
to
build
that
fence.
Accordingly,.
A
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:
and
I
believe
that
those
site
conditions,
so
that's
under
nine
s,
two
to
three
desk
eight,,
where
there's
unusual
physical
circumstances
or
conditions,,
including
irregularity,
and
the
topography
in
this
case
is
such
that
if
we
were
out
there.
A
A
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:
that
part
I
have
to
disagree
with.,
I
don't
think
we
can
in
the
future,
require
somebody
to
do
anything
any
differently,.
This
fence
will
have
to
be
replaced..
It's
a
sad
nature
of
wood
fences..
They
actually
don't
last
that
long..
Obviously
it's
been
replaced.
now.
This
is
what
appears
to
be
the
third
time
the
fence
has
been
replaced.
B
B
Erin
poe
cob:,
I
I
don't
believe,
repair,
would
if
it's
still,,
you
know
you're
repairing
a
couple
of
the
the
panels,
or
something
like
that.,
but
if
the
whole
fence
was
removed,
and
robbie
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong.
um.,
but
but
in
that
case
I
think
a
new
permit
would
be
required..
Is
that
correct,
robbie?.
D
D
D
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
a
new
variance,
review,
or
something
like
that.
I
I
H
H
A
A
A
A
I
I
I
Nikki
mccord,
boza
member:
someone
I
hired
did
something
that
they
weren't
supposed
to
do,.
Then
that's
my
responsibility
to
fix
it.
I
I
A
G
G
Jack
rudd,
boza:,
so
I
I
agree
with
that
when
the
shifting
here
is,
one
thing
that
makes
it
comfortable
for
me
to
approve.,
this
is.
G
G
B
B
B
A
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:,
and
so
we
can
each
vote
how
we
wish
to,
and-
and
we
can
give
you
an
idea
where
that
voting
is
going
to
go.
before
a
final
decision
gets
made,,
because
there
are
implications
of
our
voting,.
If
it's
not
approved.
A
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:
secondly,.
This
is
not
the
first
time,,
nor
will
it
be
the
last
time
that
a
contractor
has
done
something
contrary
to
the
owners
wishes,
and
having
been
a
contractor
in
this
town.
For
some
forty
years.
A
A
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:
did
I
say
that
jill
lester,
boza
chair:,
because
I
don't
think
I
said:
that,
jill,
lester,,
boza,
chair:
and
I've
learned
to
draw
pictures
and
do
lots
of
other
things.
and
unfortunately,.
I
think
what
aaron
is.,
what
you're
saying
is
the
applicant
doesn't
mean..
Does
that
mean
the
applicant
and
their
employees,
or
you're
saying
the
applicant.
B
B
A
Jill
lester,,
boza
chair:
is
that,
for
me
the
hardship
I
would
be
would
be
in
this
position:
either
way,,
whether
you
intentionally
remove
the
fence,,
and
you
are
here
asking
for
a
variance,
or
whether
somebody
else
removed
the
fence..
The
issue
remains..
If
there's
a
grade
change
there,
that
creates
this
very
difficult
situation
and
rebuilding
a
retaining
wall
two
feet
into
the
property.
may
not
be
the
practical
solution.
so
for
me,
I'm.,
okay,
with
it.
A
Jonathan
(he/him)
skinner-thompson:.
Now
I
will
give
you
the
floor.
sorry
about
that.
no,
no,.
I
appreciate
it.
and
I'm,.
That's
that's
really
what
I
wanted
to
speak
to,
and
this
is
in
response
to
nicki's
concerns..
We
we're
not
trying
to
point
to
the
contractors
as
our
hardship.
as
to
why
the
fence
is
being
rebuilt.,
we're
really
focusing
on
the
unusual
site
conditions
which
you
alluded
to
jill,
or
are
focused
on
that
those
weren't
created
by
us,
the
great,,
the
retaining
wall..
Those
are
the
unusual
conditions.
um,,
the
the
hardship,
so
to
speak,.
That.
H
Jonathan
(he/him)
skinner-thompson:
we're
not
created
by
us,
that
we're
relying
on
for
purposes
of
the
variance,,
not
the
the
contractor
situation.
That
was
more
just
to
provide
you
more
background
information
about
why
we're
in
this
position.
um,,
rather
than
that
being
the
quote:
unquote:
hardship.
um,!
If
that's
helpful.,.
E
G
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:
in
support.
A
A
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:
findings
in
the
motion,,
so
I
might
need
a
little
help.
In.
you
know,
in
stating
that
aaron
to
that,
you
always
tell
me
I
can't,
so
can
you,.
You
know,
definitely
want
to
say
that
it's
based
upon
the
unusual
topography,
there.
A
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:
physical
unusual,,
physical
circumstances
for
me,,
that's
important.,
um.
A
B
A
Jill
lester,
boza,
chair:
um,,
she
just
wrote
it.
so
have
a
second.
A
A
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:
the
motion
as
yes,
ma'am,.
B
Jill
lester,,
boza,
chair:
and
katie,.
I
think
you
skip
katie,
didn't
you
say
it
yes,
in
the
beginning..
I'm
sorry
I
thought
you
said
yes,.
I
I
think
I
did
it
as
part
of
the
straw
poll.,
but
but
oh,
you're
right.
yup,,
yup.,
sorry,,
katie,
please.,
my
apologies.,
that's
okay..
I
won't.
be
offended,
and
I'm:
a:
yes.
A
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:,
so
now
I
can
draw
the
conclusion
that
this
this
motion
has
passed.
We
the
board,
like
a
little
bit
of
discussion,
and.
A
I
I
Nikki
mccord,
boza
member:,
I
in
terms
of
the
topography.,
but
I
did
want
to
just
let
the
the
applicant
know,
I'm
I'm
happy
that
it
it
passed,
and
that
you're
not
going
to
have
a
hardship..
But
really
I
I'm
I'm
very
concerned
about
safety,
and.
I
I
G
Jack
rudd,
boza:
yeah,
jack,
rudd,
boza:.
I
think
one
of
this
issue
has
the
element
in
the
public
realm..
You
have
pedestrians
going
by..
You
have
bicycles,
going
by,
et
cetera,
et
cetera,.
That
brings
a
greater
urgency
to
it
than
just
a
regular
residential
sidewalk..
So
I
think
your
your
sense
of
the
the
importance.
A
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:,
it's
clearly
a
concern,
and-
and
I
think
it
would
really
help
us
if
we
had
some
historic
understanding
of
the
eighteen
inch
requirements.
so
robbing..
If
you
could
delve
into
that
and
bring
it
back
to
us
in
the
next
couple
of
board
meetings,,
I
think
it
would
be
useful
should
this
come
up.
Again.
um,,
I
think
another
solution,
a
very
costly
solution,
and
probably
the
one
nicki
was
alluding
to
you..
Tell
me
if
I'm
right
or
wrong,
would
be
to
rebuild
the
retaining,,
while
eighteen
inches
farther
into
the
property.
A
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:
a
significant
financial
burden
for
the
homeowner.
that
I've
definitely
seen.
A
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:,
we've
had.,
we've
had
a
couple
of
them
like
some
have
had
code
enforcement
on
them.,
some
people
who
said
no,.
They
didn't
do
anything,
and
another
place
where
we
literally
there
was
a
building
from
it.
out.
They
built
the
sidewalk..
They
replace
the
fence
where
it
was,
and
ultimately
was
put
twelve
and
a
half
inch,
twelve
and
a
half
feet
deeper
on
the
lot..
But
then
they
just
took
the.
A
Jill
lester,
boza
chair::
they
they
really
don't
have
to
rebuild
everything..
They
just
reset
the
posts
and
attach
the
fence
that
they'd
already
built
so
little
less
of
a
hardship,
significantly
less
of
a
hardship
than
building
a
retaining
wall,
bringing
in
filter,
and
things
so
on..
So
if
there
had
been
no
path,.
A
A
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:
there
we
go
jack,
rudd,
boza:
for
better
or
worse.
jonathan
best
wishes
to
you.
thanks
for
your
time
for
your
considerations
and
your
thoughtful
feedback..
Thank
you,
quick
question,
jonathan..
You
mentioned
a
wind
event
some
time.
Ago.
yes.
is
that
your
house,
where
a
giant
limb
went
down
through
the
the
roof
of
the
garage.
H
A
A
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:
um!,
let
me.
I
I
just
want
to
make
a
note:
here.
I'm..
I
think
we
are
responsible,
and
amanda
and
devin
you'll
have
to
say
we
while
we're
in
attendance
in
the
meeting..
I
think
we
have
to
be
on
video..
So
what
are
the
rules
about
that,
aaron??
If
we
need
to
leave
for
a
minute,,
do
we
need
to
excuse?
Ourselves,
can
we?.
B
B
B
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
okay.,
and
this
is
docket
number
robbie
wyler,
cob:
e
o,
z.
two,
zero,
two,
two,
zero,
zero,
zero,,
one
seven..
The
address
is
a
twenty
thirty
sixth
street,,
and
this
is
a
parking
in
front
yard
setback
and
a
setback,
variance
as
part
of
a
proposal
to
recognize
and
establish
a
single.
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
off-street,
parking
space
within
an
existing
access,
driveway
off
thirty
sixth
street,,
as
well
as
to
add
in
and
closed
entry
room
to
the
front
west
side
of
the
house..
The
applicants
are
requesting
a
variance
to
allow
both
the
parking
and
the
addition
in
the
front
west
yard.
Setback.
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:,
the
subject,
nine
foot
by
nineteen
foot
parking
space
will
be
located
approximately
eight
feet
from
the
front
west
property
line,
where
twenty-five
is
required
and
no
conforming
parking
exists.
Today.
the
subject
front
entry
addition
will
be
located
approximately
twenty
feet
from
the
front
west
property
line,.
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:,
where
twenty-five
feet
is
required.
and
twenty-seven,
feet
taken
from
the
front
of
the
house,
exists
today.
section
of
the
land
use
code
to
be
modified,
section,
nine
hundred
and
seventy-one,
b,,
the
revised
code,
one
thousand
nine
hundred
and
eighty-one,,
and
up
on
the
screen.
you
have
the
property..
It
is
a
single.
D
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
and
up
on
the
screen,
you
have
some
existing
conditions.
um!.
The
upper
right
image
is
the
existing
street
view,,
showing
the
subject
driveway,
and
also
the
subject.
um,,
formerly
enclosed,
a
one
car
garage
that
is
now
habitable
space
condition,
space.
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
and
then
to
the
left
of
that
driveway
is
the
location
of
the
subject:
entry
away,
seventy
square
for
entry,
away.
addition.,
the
two
circles
that
you
see
in
both
the
left
image
and
the
lower
right
image
show
the
location
of
that
entry,
way,
and
also
the
location
of
where
the
parking
space
is
proposed,.
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:,
but
the
next
diagram
shows
that
in
a
little
more
detail,.
D
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:,
and
that
is
a
front
west
setback
for
approximately
twenty
feet
where
twenty-five
feet
is
required,
and
twenty-seven
feet
exists.
Today.
the
subject:
seventy
square
for
entry,
o
addition
has
been
denoted
on
the
site
plan.
and
you
see,
that
blue
box.
That
is,
the
seventy
square.
Feet,.
D
D
Robbie
wyler,,
cob:
and
just
below
that
is
the
second
variance
item
that
the
board
is
considering
this
evening,
and
that
is
a
parking
setback,
variance
to
establish
parking
with
access
up
thirty
sixth
street
within
the
front
yard
setback
that
is
a
front-west
set
back
of
approximately
eight
feet,.
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
parking
space,,
where
twenty-five
feet
is
required,
and
no
conforming
parking
exists,
today,
and
the
red
line
that
I
placed
over
where
the
parking
spaces.
That
is,
where
that
eight
feet
is
being
taken..
So
that's
where
the
the
nineteen
foot
stall
will
um,
and
essentially
pending
the
decision
of
the
board
tonight..
So
those
are
the
two
variance
items
that
the
board's
looking
at
this
evening..
There
is
also
as
a
part
of
the
bigger.
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
picture,
a
rear
addition
being
constructed
to
the
back
of
the
house.
That
is
not
in
requiring
any
sort
of
a
variance.
um,.
It
will
go
through
the
building.
permit
process,
just
like
anything
else,,
but
it
does
not
require
a
variance,.
So
it's
not.
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
within
the
items
being
considered
by
the
board
this
evening,,
but
it
is
shown
on
the
site
plan..
So
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
in
case
there
were
any
questions,.
D
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
and
then
we
have
the
proposed
floor
plan,
as
well
as
the
proposed
roof
plan,
showing
that
front
entry.
um!
it's
labeled
as
front
porch,,
but
it
is
not
a
front
porch..
It
is
just
in
addition,
it's
conditioned,
and
it
does
not
meet
our
porch
standards
because
it
is
enclosed..
So
if
it
does
say
front
porch,,
it's
not
a
front
porch,.
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:,
as
well
as
the
proposed
rear
and
other
side,
the
south
side
of
the
house
shown,,
and
then
I
circled
where
that
front
entry
away
would
be,
and
I
can
go
back
to
any
of
these.
If
the
board
needs
to
look
at
them
again,.
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
little
on
the
way
of
some
zoning
metrics..
It
is
owned,
ro
one..
It
is
a
seven
thousand
square
foot
lot,,
where
seven
thousand
is
required,.
The
and
maximum
allowed
building
coverage
for
the
properties
around
two
thousand
four
hundred
and
fifty,,
and
including
the
additions,
they're,
proposing
around
one
thousand
eight
hundred
and
eighty,.
D
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
actual
building
coverage,,
and
this
part
is
the
floor.
Area.
the
maximum
allowed
floor
area
is
three
thousand
five
hundred
square
feet,
and
including
the
proposed
editions,,
the
it
will
come
in
at
about
one
thousand,
eight
hundred
and
eighty
square
feet..
It's
a
one
story
house..
So
the
coverage
and
the
floor
area
are
basically
the
same.
Thing.
there's
no
upper
floor,.
D
D
D
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
living
space
conditioned
space.,
so
there
is
currently
no
conforming
parking
on
this
property,
and
in
order
to
move
forward
with
certain
projects,
and
to
allow
for
certain
permits,,
a
property
owner
does
have
to
show
compliance
with
the
parking
standards,.
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
variance
is
being
considered.
tonight.
There
are
two
different
groups
of
criteria
that
the
board
is
going
to
consider,,
because
this
is
a
parking
in
the
front
yard.
Setback,
variance
that
relates
to
a
previously
converted
garage
that
the
property
used
to
have.
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
they
do
qualify
to
respond
to
a
criterion,
nine,
two,
three,
j.,
which
is
specific
to
converted
garages,
no
longer
providing
parking
for
the
site.
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:,
so
for
the
parking
element.
specifically,,
the
board
should
consider
criterion.
Nine,
two,
three,
j.
one
through
seven,,
and
that
is
what
the
applicant
did
respond.
To,
and
I
can
leave
this
up
on
the
screen
when
the
board
gets
to
that,
if
they
want
to,
and
then
jumping
to
the
other
variance.
item:.
D
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:,
so
specific.
I'm.,
going
to
go
back.
One
slide
specific
to
the
parking
setback.
Variance
staff
is
in
support
of
the
application,
as
it
has
been
presented,
using
criteria.
Nine,
two,
three,
j.
one
through
seven..
It
meets
the
zoning
district.
it.
um!.
It
was
a
conversion
that
was
done.
D
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
um!
on
the
other
side
of
the
house.,
leading
to
the
the
backyard,,
which
may
or
may
not
be
feasible
or
logical
for
this
property
owner.
um.,
but
using
an
existing
driveway
for
the
purposes
of
establishing
what
is
recognizing
and
establishing,
what's
already
there.,
seems
appropriate
as
far
as
staff's
concerned,
and
we
are
recommending
support
of
the
parking
variance
as
it
has
been
presented,.
D
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
um!,
but
the
the
need
for
the
property
owners
to
have
a
for
implement,
whether
is
to
have
a
protected
space
for
entry
way,
rather
than
something
opening
up
into
a
living
room
and
reconfiguring
the
interior..
So
the
need
for
this
variance
is
to
help,
you
know,,
with
an
entry
away,
an
enclosure
that
protects
from
weather,,
and
we
also
recognize
that
the
lot
does
not
in
the
existing
house
itself
does
not
provide.
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
ample
space
to
have
a
similar
size
entry,
away.,
addition?
um!.
You
would
have
to
build
into
the
existing
living
room
or
family
room,
and
staff
recognizes
that,
in
addition
to
the
front
of
the
house,.
D
D
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
in
the
form
of
written
correspondences
for
or
against,,
so
we
do
not
necessarily
have
anything
from
the
neighbors
showing
if
they
are
concerned
or
not.,
we
did
have
a
neighbor
reach
out
recently
with
questions.
D
D
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
for
this
property,
and
I
can
kind
of
clarify
that
a
little
more,
if
anybody
needs
so.,
but
that
being
said,
staff
is
recommending
support
as
um.
it's
been
presented
for
both
the
parking,
as
well
as
the
front
entry,
away.
setback
variance,,
and
I
can
answer
any
other
questions..
If
you
haven't.
A
D
G
G
Jack
rudd,
boza:
renters,,
they
usually
have
three
or
four
cars,,
whereas
families
maybe
have
one
or
two
cars..
So
it's
really
just
a
matter.
Of,.
G
Jack
rudd,,
boza:
and
more
bedrooms,
you
have
the
more
cars
you
have
if
it's
a
rental.
B
J
J
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:,
you
know,
to
the
extent
that
that
answers
jack's
question.
um,,
I
I
agree:
it.
however,.
It's
not
part
of
the
criteria.,
the
fact
that
they
disclose
that
to
us
is,
you
know,,
it
could
be
anybody,
so
just
wanted
to
be
sure
that
everybody
knows
that
we
just
it's
not
who
lives
there.
A
L
Lisa
maurer:
yeah,
highly.,
so
just
when
you
stay
your
name
for
the
record.,
please
also
state
your
address
where
you
live.
please.
absolutely.
um..
My
name
is
lisa
mauer.
I'm.,
the
owner
and
the
registered
agent
of
dashka
investments,,
which
is
the
family
llc.
that
we
purchase
this
property
under
the
properties
at
eight,,
twenty,,
thirty-six
street
and
boulder.
A
L
Lisa
maurer:
absolutely.
um,,
I
robbie,
did
an
excellent
job
summarizing
our
case.
um!.
I
just
wanted
to
reiterate
that
our
main
concern
is
just
recognizing
and
establishing
the
single
parking
space
in
the
existing
dry
way..
So
we
we're
not
talking
about
building
anything
additional
to
accommodate
parking,
the
driveway
and
the
parking
current
parking
location
was,,
as
is
in
front
of
the
enclosed
garage,,
which
was
done
at
least
two
owners
ago.
L
Lisa
maurer:
um!,
and
I
also
want
to
point
out-
we've
gone
through
two
rental:
permit
applications
and
inspections.
As
part
of
this
property
purchase,
we
inherited
a
previous
tenant
um,
who's,
now,
no
longer
there.
but,.
Uh,
no
point
was
this
issue
disclosed
until
we
attempted
to
apply
for
a
building
permit..
So
the
main,
the
main
concern
is
just
getting
approval
of
this.
L
Lisa
maurer:
that
we
have
conforming
parking,
and
whether
or
not
we
decide
to
proceed
with
the
um.
addition
is
another
issue..
At
this
point,
we've
lost
a
year
due
to
these
issues
that
have
come
up
with
the
property..
So
our
goal
is
just
to
give
a
place
for
our
son
to
park,
and
then
future
roommates
or
tenants
for
the
small
house.
A
A
C
K
Marine
siohan
boza
member:,
if
they
would
support
all
of
this?.
L
Lisa
maurer:
people
have
been
parking
there
for
years.,
so
it's
never.,
it's
never
been
an
issue,
and
we
weren't
doing
anything
different
with
that
um..
But
both
the
neighbors
on
the
either
side
know
what
we're
doing.
um!,
and
I
would
also
say
that
many
of
the
houses
in
that
neighborhood,
and
on
that
street
have
converted
garages,
and
they
all
park
in
front
of
them..
So
many
of
them
have.
K
K
K
Marine
siohan
boza
member:,
you
know
I
would
be
more
comfortable
if
you
had
asked
your
neighbors
if
they
would
agree
with
the
other,
with
the
additions
on
the
front.
L
Lisa
maurer:
hmm.
yeah,,
we
haven't
had
a
lot
of
involvement.
um.
both
of
the
neighbors
on
either
side
have
built
directly
up
against
the
fence,,
so
without
permits
we've
noticed.,
but
we've
gone
through
the
permitting
process..
So
I
think
that's
pretty
typical.
In
the
area.,
everybody
has
a
shed.
everybody's
building
up
against
the
fence,,
so
I
think
we're
the
first,.
L
A
A
A
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:,
it
can
be
a
difficult
task
to
do
to
go
through
this..
I
want
to
say
that.
I've
set
with
the
city
council
meetings
and
discuss
the
issue
of
parking
in
the
front
yard
set
back,,
which
is
essentially.
A
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:,
not
an
enforced
provision
of
the
code,,
even
if
I
mean,,
I
don't
even
know
how
they
enforce
it.
it.
Just
the
only
time
that
comes
up
is
when
people
apply
for
billing
permit,
and
the
goal
is
to
have
a
every
single
family
residents
have
at
least
one
off
street
parking
space.
Right?,
probably
that's
a
fair
way
to
say
that.
D
D
D
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
parking.,
but
we
do
detail
in
the
code
specific
to
parking,
and
that
is,
you
have
to
provide
the
one
for
single
family
homes.,
it's
more
for
others.
um!
and
then
you
can
park
up
to
one
vehicle
directly
behind
that
as
long
as
it
doesn't
block
a
sidewalk..
So
that's
about
the
extent
for
single
family
homes
that
we
talk
about
parking.
A
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:
uh,,
particularly
martin
acres
area.,
where
and
probably
this
part,,
which
I
don't
think
it's.,
I
don't
know..
I
think
william
martin
built
that
area.
but
um,
we're.
They
only
provide
that
single
car
r.,
just
very
small
homes,,
one,
two,
and
three
bedroom,
one
bathrooms.,
and
so
the
logical
plan,
affordable
place
for
people
to
expand
is
into
that
garage.
A
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:
in
um..
This
has
come
up
with
for
us
before,,
so
some
of
you
who
are
new
may
have
some
questions
about
how
it
works.
and
robbie
I'm.,
I'm
trying
to
think
of
circumstances..
I
can
remember
with
the
eighty
you
where
we've
waved
the
extra
parking
requirement.,
but
it
seems
to
me
there
are
other
circumstances
where
we've
also
allowed,.
A
Jill
lester,,
boza
chair:,
and
particularly
a
circumstances
like
this,
where
the
homeowner
didn't
create
the
problem.
They've
inherited
the
problem.
and
in
effect,
um,.
A
D
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:,
not
through
a
permit,,
and
it
was
done
prior
to
the
ownership
of
this
property..
So
the
criteria,,
the
nine,
two,
three,
j.,
are
specific
to
a
request
like
this,,
which
is
there
used
to
be
parking,,
but
it
was
converted.
Now
we
don't
have
any
parking.,
it
was
not
done
by
us..
Can
we
have
parking
now?.
D
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
um!,
where
they
never
had
conforming
parking..
There
was
no
garage
conversion,,
so
they
actually
did
not
use
the
nine,
two,
three
j.
criteria..
They
use
the
standard,
nine,
seven,
one
or
nine,
two,,
three
setback
variance,,
because
we
do
regulate
parking
within
our
setback
standards
as
well,,
so
that
one
was
comparable
because
it
was
a
parking
variance,.
But
it's
different,
because
it
did
not
involve
the
conversion.
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
of
a
garage.,
so
there
is
a
more
recent
to
get
back
to
your
question,
jill..
There
are
more
recent
examples
of
the
board
considering
parking,,
but
this
one's
even
different,,
because
it's
specific
to
a
garage
conversion
that
was
done
without
a
permit,
and
prior
to
the
current
ownership.
D
A
D
D
A
D
A
A
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:
ownership,
occupation,,
evidently
prior
to
january.,
two
thousand
and
five.
A
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:
parking
space
cannot
be
reasonably
placed
anywhere
else.
A
A
A
A
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:,
the
the
homeowner,
is
indicating
the
higher
priority
for
them
is
the
parking
space.
um,,
because
it's
possible
that
they
won't
go
forth..
So
I
guess
my
question
is,.
Are
you
saying
you're
not
going
to
proceed
because
typically
people
are
going
to
come
here
and
to
us
what
they
want.
you've
applied
for
two
variances,.
A
A
B
A
A
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
robbie.
go
ahead.
okay,
and
also
want
to
make
clear..
There
is
actually
an
ongoing
building
permit.
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:
in
place.,
robbie
wyler,
cob:,
so
there
is,
and
it
was
um..
I
don't
know
if
it
was
caught
through
that
building.
permit
I?.
It
may
have
been
caught
by
me..
I
don't
know,
but
um!.
There
is
an
active
building
permit
for
the
overall
project,
and
I
think,
and
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
lisa,,
but.
D
D
A
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:
okay,,
so
I
think
on
that
basis,
at
least,
I'll.
Let
you
talk
if
you
want
to
add
something.,
but
I'd
say,,
let's,
let's
deal
with
parking,
and
then
we'll
deal
with
the
porch.
um,.
If
that's
okay
with
everybody
on
us,
everybody's
in
favor
of
both,,
in
which
case
we
can
just
do
both
of
them.
um,.
A
I
A
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:
um!.
Can
you
stay?
so
there's
this
fancy
way
that
aaron
likes
us
to
say,
the
number
of
the
and
it's
boz
twenty,
twenty-two
zero
zero,
zero,
one
seven.
A
A
A
A
A
A
B
Erin
poe
cob:,
so
so
yeah,,
if
we
want
to
take
matters
from
the
city
attorney
first,
what's
been
proposed,
are
an
update
to
the
bosa
and
rules
um.
B
Erin
poe
cob:,
the
biggest
change,
is
to
incorporate
hybrid
and
virtual
attendance
in
the
past.
Attendance
has
had
to
be
in
person.
um,,
and
this
clarifies
that
attendance
by
a
board
member
includes
a
virtual..
When
we
move
to
a
hybrid
situation,,
you
know,
board
members
can
come
in
through
zoom,
or
they
can
be
in
person,
and
it
kinda
just.
B
B
Erin
poe
cob:
pdf.
in
the
packet..
I
I
don't
know
if
it
was
just
my
system
viewing
it,,
but
I
couldn't
see
the
red
lines..
I
could
see
marks
on
the
side
showing
where
changes
had
been
made.,
but
I
didn't
see
like
strike
through
and
and
additions.
and
so
the
the
version
that
I
emailed
is
in
word,
and
it
shows
all
the
changes.
B
A
B
B
A
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:,
but
it's
in
our
notes..
I
mean
it's
something
that
cindy,
our
previous
fearless
leader,
put,
you
know,
has
provided
to
me
and
to
everybody
who
who
act
as
chair.
A
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:
um.,
so
I
don't
know
if
it
would
change
what
we
say.
There.
those
actually
need
to
be
edited.,
devin.
I'll
say
that
to
you.
there's
a
number
of
typos
in
there.
it's
called
the
both
the
meeting
outline,.
So
you
may
get
that.
and,
amanda,,
you
might
wanna,
you
guys,
might
take
a
look
at
that.
and
just
because
in
some
places,,
especially
if
you're
reading,,
I
mean,
I've
been
doing
this
for
a
long
time.
but
um,.
A
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:,
I'm
not
likely
to
be
the
chair
again,,
so
I
think
it'd
be
nice
to
clean
this
up..
I'm
happy
to
look
at
that.
If
you
send
me
a
word
document.
but
anyway,
irrelevant
to
that,
the
question
is,,
can
we
move?
make
a
motion
on
this
for
these
rules
to
be
approved
so
that
we
can
take
it
off
the
docket,
or
do
we
want
to
delay
it?.
A
A
B
Erin
poe
cob:
no;,
but
what
I
will
do
is
send
out
a
a
clean,
copy,
jill,
for
you
to
sign
as
chair,
and
then
we'll
distribute
that
new
updated
version
to
all
the
board
members,
so
that
you
have
them
for
the
december
meeting..
Thank
you
all
very
much..
This
has
been
a
project,.
I
I
think,
really,
that
started
before
the
pandemic.
um..
So
thank
you
all
for
your
input
on
it.
it
it's
great
to..
I
think
I
think
it
will
be
good
for
applicants..
A
Jill
lester,
boza
chair:,
and
I'm
just
you
know.,
I'm
out
of
town
for
the
next
week,.
So
if
you
need
it
signed.
you
need
to
send
it
with
docusign,
because
I'm
not
gonna
be
in
a
position.
We
can
wait
till
you
get
back.
thank
you.,
um,
robbie,.
Do
you
have
anything?.
D
D
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:,
we
typically
don't.,
so
I
don't
wanna
double
on
that
too
much,,
but
um,
we
do.
it
does
guide
the
message
definitely,
and
then
going
back
to
anything
else
from
staff.
um..
This
is
one
of
those
rare
times
where
the
application
deadline
for
the
next
month's
meeting
isn't
until
next
week,.
D
D
Robbie
wyler,
cob:,
we
are
going
to
have
a
meeting.
um!.
It
would
be
great
if
everybody
can
attend..
I
know
it's
the
holidays.,
so
if
you
cannot,
for
whatever
reason,
just
let
us
know
as
soon
as
possible.,
if
not,,
I
would
love
to
see
everybody
in
that
for
the
december
thirteenth
meeting,
and
it
does
appear,
we
are
going
to
have
one.
A
B
B
A
K
Marine
siohan
boza
member:
the
right
time
to
talk
about
it.
it.,
doesn't
work
anymore..
I
went
to
rtd..
They
told
me
to.
K
K
K
K
K
K
Amanda
cusworth,
cob:
to
me,
and
I
can
go
to
rtd:
something
like
this.,
now.,
okay,,
yeah,
I'll,
follow
up
on
that.
thank
you.,
let
you
know,,
sure.
and
and
and
I.
I
apologize.
I
missed
this,.
But
we
missed
a
step
with
just
approving
the
august
meeting.
Minutes.
yeah.
well,
we're
not
done
yet..
We
could
still
do
it.
A
Jill
lester,,
boza
chair:
no
problem.
feel
like
I
read
those
minutes,
and
we
talked
about,
and
then
you
made
that
one
edit.
yes,
um,
and
I
apologize.
I
did
get
your
edit,
but
um..
I
was
having
trouble
with
the
website
this
afternoon..
So
sorry
that
edit,
isn't
reflected.,
but
it
will
be.