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B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
um.
I'll
just
quickly
read
the
land
acknowledgment..
The
city
of
boulder
arts,
commission
acknowledges
the
city
is
on
the
ancestral
homelands
and
unseated
territory
of
indigenous
peoples
who
have
traversed
lived
in
and
stewarded
lands
in
the
boulder
valley.
Since
time
immemorial,
those
indigenous
nations
include
the
apache,
arapaho,
cheyenne,
comanche,
kyowa,
pawnee,
shoshoni,
su
and
yute.
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:,
I'm
promising
that
we
with
bruce's
permission
that
we
discuss
the
questions
for
new
commissioners.
um,,
just
very
briefly.
Tonight,.
B
D
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
alright,
raise
your
hand
if
you're
in
favor,.
B
D
D
Lisa
wuycheck:
directing
the
name
of
the
community
culture,,
I
mean,,
you
know.
B
B
B
C
D
E
B
B
B
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
all
right
public
participation.
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
um.,
so
we
provided
sort
of
outlook
on
the
meetings
for
twenty
twenty-three.
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
um,,
so
I
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
two
things
is
the
the
holidays
that
we
run
a
foul
of
that
last
wednesday
of
november,,
just
like
we're
experiencing
that
one.
B
B
B
B
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
well,.
That's
the
next
agenda.
I
don't
know
today
to
discuss
that.,
but
just
you
know,,
if,
if
there's
any
questions,
or
if
there's
any
like
blaring
objections
to
that
overall
calendar,,
it's
wanted
to,,
you
know,
sort
of
talk
it
through
now.,
but
yeah,,
we'll
we'll
plan
an
agenda
out
of
specifically
about
those
two
days.
okay,
great.
thank
you.
B
Lisa
wuycheck:,
so
can
I
go
on
to
for
me
then?,
so
you
know
to
that
point.,
the
december
meeting.
uh,.
I
believe
that
it's,
the
twenty
eighth
is
what
would
be
the
fourth.
B
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:,
that's
interesting,
right?.
How
do
we
all
feel
about
that??
Is
anybody
just
real
quick,
raise
your
hand
if
you're
opposed
to
that
idea
of
canceling
the
the
summer
meeting.
F
F
F
Maria
cole:
do
some
informal,
lisa,
wuycheck:
work.,
bruce
that
way
via
the
internet.
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
that
we
we
don't
see
anything
that
would
cause
a
problem
for
people
to
wait
until
january.
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
not
be
going,
lisa
wuycheck:
that
the
one
thing
that
wouldn't
happen
is
the
grant
reports
being
confirmed
so
that
the
last
checks
could
be
me
to
those
current
recipients..
It's
gonna
send
the
balance
until
they.
B
B
E
E
Lauren
click
(she/her),
oac:
um,,
but
we
did
this
for
the
retreat
as
well,,
because
you
didn't
vote
on
any
reports,
and
I
just
send
a
note
to
whomever
has
turned
into
report
to
say,.
Will
this
cause
any
undo
hardship
to
you
if
we
delay
this
until
january,
and
they
all
said
it
was
fine,.
I
mean,
for
the.
E
E
E
Lauren
click
(she/her),
oac:,
it
looks
like
we
might
have
about
five
or
six
reports
that
come
in,
to
which
I
could
just
send
them
a
note
that
it
would
happen
in
the
january
meeting.
E
B
E
B
D
C
Eboni
freeman
(she/her):.
I
am
wondering
if
we
could
have
a
similar
adjustment,,
as
we
had
this
month
of
a
special
meeting
of
thirty
minutes,,
just
to
approve
those
reports.
One
week
in
advance
of
december
twenty
eighth,,
so
we'd
all
be
there,
and
we'd
all
know.
This
is
not
normal
to
our
meeting.,
no
one's
going
to
anticipate
that.
and
just
because
I'm
thinking
about
what's
best
for
the
grant
recipients,
and
that
month,,
especially
in
the
holiday
season,,
that
that
could
cause
more
undue
hardship
than
usual,.
And,
of
course,
there
are
definitely
times
where.
H
Eboni
freeman
(she/her):,
I
imagine
there
are
people
saying,
oh,.
It
won't
cost
me
any
hardship,
lauren,
because
they
don't
want
to
cause
a
negative.
uh,.
You
know,
communication
pathway
with
lauren
and
affect
their
future.
grant
proposals
which
of
course,
it
shouldn't.,
but
those
ideas
can
come
to
people's
minds.,
and
so
I
want
us
to
do
what's
best
for
the
grant
recipients,,
and
I
think
that
might
be
having
a
thirty
minute
meeting
a
special
meeting
one
week
in
advance
and
canceling
the
two
hour
general
meeting
on
december,
twenty
eighth..
As
for
the
reasons
mentioned,
earlier,.
B
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
have
special
meetings
with
meeting
days
around
you'd
want
it
to
be
later
than
the
meeting
rather
than
earlier,,
because
if
someone
misses
the
meeting,
and
it's
coming
up,
it's
better
than
if
they
didn't
know
it
was
coming
up,
and
they
got
it
right..
But
what
I.
B
B
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:,
but
but
lisa
wuycheck:,
it's
just
an
idea.
brainstorming..
All
ideas
are
good.
um,.
We
have,
lauren.,
send
out
that
email
to
everybody
like
she's
done
before,
and
everybody
respond,
saying,
yeah,,
that's
fine.!
If
it's
not
voted
on
in
december.,
then
we
move
it
to
january
and
don't
have
the
meeting
at
half
hour.
Meeting,.
B
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
okay,
maria
cole:
yeah,.
How
does
brier
ebony?
do
you
think?
That's
okay?
that
that's
fine
with
me,
and
just
concerned
about
staff
time,,
and
just
that
you
all
should
have
a
break.
you'll
work
so
hard..
So
I
think
it's.
B
B
B
B
B
B
C
B
H
Eboni
freeman
(she/her):
oh,.
I
was
just
saying,,
we're
really
all
showing
up
for
our
artists.,
and
I
think
these
are
those
moments
that
artists
don't
know
about,
and
especially,
if
they're
not
attending
the
meeting.
they're
like.
oh,,
the
bac
doesn't
do
it.
they.
They
don't
know
what
we
do..
They
don't
know
if
we're
doing
anything
for
them,
and
it's
like
no,.
All
of
us
are
going
to
show
up
on
december
twenty
eighth,
to
make
sure,
if
necessary,
that
they
get
their
grant
finding
on
time..
So
I
just
wanted
to,.
You
know.
E
Lauren
click
(she/her),
oac:.
Thank
you
very
much
for
reviewing
the
change
in
program
request
and
the
reports
for
this
evening..
So
I'm
going
to
take
you
through
the
change
of
grant
request,
first.
um!.
E
Lauren
click
(she/her),
oac:,
so
you
received
both
megan's
application,
and
then
her
letter
to
you
about
wanting
to
change
the
request.
After
a
couple
of
years,,
frankly
of
trying
to
get
into
the
national
guild
for
community
arts,
education,
conference.
um,.
E
Lauren
click
(she/her),
oac:
she's,
now
wanting
to
attend
some.
E
Lauren
click
(she/her),
oac:,
some
courses
through
coursera,,
which
will
be
super
useful
for
her
work.
at
rocky
bridge..
So
for
this
change
in
program
request.,
unless
you
have
any
questions,,
you
would
have
the
option
to
approve
the
change,
to
not
approve
the
change,
and
request
the
return
of
funds,.
E
B
D
Lisa
wuycheck:,
and
so
my
questions
are:.
How
much
was
the
of
the
original
grant.
E
E
E
D
B
B
G
D
D
B
D
F
Maria
cole:,
I
I
I
feel
like,
uh,.
We
shouldn't
be
punitive
about
this,,
that
we
should
give
her
the
funds
that
she
want.
It
really
wasn't
her
her
issue,
that
the
issue
I
have
is
that
her
original
goal
was
to
engage
more
with
arts
education,,
which
I
think
is
a
a
weak
spot.
We've
been
talking
about
for
several
months
in
in
the
community
that
the
desire
to.
F
Maria
cole:
educate
people
in
the
arts.,
and
so
I
wonder
if
we
can
have
stipulate
some
of
her
online
education
is
more
towards
art.
Education..
She
certainly
could
use
some
for
strategic
planning
and
marketing,,
but
I
don't
think
all
of
it
should
go
to
that..
I
think
some
of
it
should
come
back
to
her
learning
more
about
arts,
education,
and
how
to
engage
the
community
further
through
the
arts.
E
E
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
well,.
She
have
a
finished
thing..
I
you
know
I
was
looking
at
the
court,
sarah
website,
and
they
they're
very
um..
There's
a
lot
of
mystique
around
getting
like
a
certificate..
They
you
have
to
get
in
their
database
and
register
before
you
can
see
the
price
of
how
much
they
charge
for
a
certificate..
Do
you
know,
by
any
chance.
D
G
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
required.,
but
if
we're
looking
for
any
metrics,
like
you
finish
that
class.
you
got
this
thing
that
says
you
you
attended,
and
you
successfully
passed.,
there's
nothing
like
that.
um!.
What's
the
title
of
the
original
grant,
and
the
nature
of
it?,
I
know
it
was
for
this
conference,.
But
what
was
what
was
the
name
grant.
B
E
Lauren
click
(she/her),,
oac:
yeah,.
This
is
a
professional.,
so
she
would
be
going
to
this
community
arts
education
conference
held
by
this
national
guild
in
new
york
city,,
and
she
tried,
like
I've
spoken
to
her
over
the
years.
She
really
tried..
She
was
really
excited
for
this
conference,
and
they
just
have
postponed
it,
and
maybe
not
hosting
it
again..
So
this
was
her
work
around
with
her
new
kind
of.
E
Lauren
click
(she/her),,
oac:,
goals,,
right,
professional
goals,
and
with
her
work
at
rocky
ridge,,.
B
B
H
H
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
so
yeah,
you
you're
allowed
to
do
that.,
lisa,
wuycheck:,
um,,
lisa,
wuycheck:
you're,
basically,
finding
the
grant
to
be
in
a
form
of
default
to
to
do
that.
now,.
We,
we
wouldn't
penalize,
though,,
so
there's
no
penalty
for
that.
If
they
applied
this
coming
here
for
another
thing.
no,
I
mean
we
would.,
we
would
not
like
that.,
but
it
would..
It
would
basically
be
saying,
like,.
B
H
Eboni
freeman
(she/her):,
we
do
have
a
follow
on
question:
there.
so,
matt,.
How
would
that
potentially
affect
our
conversations
on
budgeting
with
city
council
next
year??
If
they
do
see
that
we
have
a
grant
and
default.?
Is
that
the
kind
of
red
flag
on
for
them
when
they
think
about
budgetary
decisions??
Or
is
this
not
something?
That
is
a
a
major
concern
of
theirs.
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
uh,,
you
know
I
I
I
hesitate
to
speak
for
every
individual
council,
member.
uh,,
but
I
would
say
no,
that
you
know
the
minutes
will
reflect
the
discussion,
and
we'll
make
sure
everything
is
clear
about
why
you're
making
this
decision.
make
sure
it's
clear
that
you
know
we're
not
holding
them
responsible
for
that
or
anything..
So
I
think
that
we
could.
we
could.
B
F
Maria
cole:,
some
of
these
webinars
that
are
free
on
arts
education.,
so
I
think
that's
where
I
want
her
to
stay
with
the
original
topic
as
well.
E
E
Lauren
click
(she/her),
oac:,
where
she
could,,
either
in
coursera
or
through
the
free
webinars..
If
there,,
there
are
opportunities
that
she
could.
E
G
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
plans.,
that's
their
decision.
and
the
grant,.
The
the
decision
that
you
have
before
you
is,
does
this
still
qualify
as
professional
development?.
B
B
B
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
and
then
what
I
said
to
say
that
I
do
think
so..
This
professional,.
B
D
B
G
G
D
D
B
B
Lisa,
wuycheck:
and
and
all
opposed.,
please
raise
your
hand.
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
see.
and,
along
those
same
lines,
maria
and
ebony.
If
I,
if
for
some
reason,
I'm
not
seeing
that
you
have
something
to
say,
either.,
just
like,,.
B
E
E
E
Lauren
click,
(she/her),
oac:,
you
do
not
improve,,
not
approved
individual
great
reports,
and
you
cancel
the
final
twenty
of
the
payment,
or
you
can
postpone
approval
of
individual
reports
pending
answers
to
any
specific
questions.
um,.
I
will
give
it
back
to
bruce
for
discussion
through
these,
and
I
do
have
motion
language.
If
you
want
to.
E
Lauren
click
(she/her),,
oac:
change,
it
around,
or
you
know,,
lauren
click
(she/her),,
oac:
discuss.,
but
I
have
motion
language,
to.,
lisa,
wuycheck:
okay,
thank
you.,
um.,
well,,
first
off..
Does
anybody
want
to
make
a
move
before
we
get
into
a
discussion.?
Does
anybody
want
to
start
that
discussion
with
making
a
motion
to
approve
them
all?.
H
Eboni
freeman
(she/her):
um,
yes,
and
to
not
approve
them
all
as
a
batch,,
but
to
approve
them
one
by
one.
B
B
H
B
B
B
F
B
B
B
H
Eboni
freeman
(she/her):
before
we
make
the
motion.
I
did
want
to
call
out
that
I
really
appreciate
the
specific
activities
they
listed
to
the
fine
audience
engagement,,
as
well
as
their
audience
quotes.
they
gave
numerous,.
I
think
occasionally
some
grant
applicate
our
grant
reports.
they
only
give
one
or
two,,
but
I
think
they
gave
like
nine
or
ten..
It
was
a
really
robust
um..
So
I
just
want
to
call
that
as
a
positive
and
a
thank
you
to
lawrence..
F
A
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
of
of
performance
calls
are
filled,
and
that
they
may
sell
more
tickets
than
that.,
but.
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
thank
you..
A
motion
passes
unanimously
number
three
butterfly
effect.
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
I'll
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
report
for
butterfly.
D
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
in
some
cases,,
a
third
of
the
survey
participants,
I
refuse
to
complete
survey,.
So
I
don't
know
whether
you
know
that
that
choice
of
refuse
to
complete
or
just
did
not
complete..
But
so
that's
one
thing.
I
guess
I
quer
your
on,,
you
know,
not
in
a
formal
way.,
but
just
you
know,,
how
do
you??
How
do
you,.
D
Lisa
wuycheck:
prove
that
you
have
a
a
diverse
audience,
for
example,
when
a
third
of
your.
B
H
Eboni
freeman
(she/her):
continuing
along
those
same
lines
as
kathleen
kathleen..
I
think
we
drink
the
same
water
recently,
because
we
are
just
in
sync
tonight.
H
Eboni
freeman
(she/her):
on
page
three,
on
that
same
element.,
heather
did
stay
out
in
quotes..
We've
included
the
opt
out
numbers
above
to
show
how
big
the
margin
of
error
is..
This
measurement
issue
is
a
major
barrier
to
racial
equity,
work
and
audience
development,,
especially
when
households
of
color
opt
out
of
returning
surveys..
I
do
have
to
know
them.
kind
of
curious.
Do
households
of
color
have
a
lower
survey
response
rate
than
other
households?
and,
if
so,,
what's
the
source?
data
for
that,
as
well
as
what
steps
the
heather
and
betsy.
H
Eboni
freeman
(she/her):
take
to
ensure
that
households
of
color
did,
in
fact,
receive
the
surveys,
and
felt
the
psychological
safety
necessary
to
complete
the
survey,.
If
that
is
indeed
a
barrier
to
completion
rates
along
those
same
lines
as
what
kathleen
was
saying.,
it's
just
that
the
language
that
was
used,
and
I'm
sure
it
wasn't
um.
there
was
no
mal
intent..
It
was
a
bit
off
putting,
and
I'd
love
to
dive
deeper
into
that,
and
make
sure
that
any
any
misconceptions
are
removed,
and
a
full
understand,
feel,
and
clear
understanding.
H
Eboni
freeman
(she/her):
is
conveyed
on
the
other
side
kind
of
separately..
I
did.
H
Eboni
freeman
(she/her):,
as
kathleen
mentioned,
appreciate
the
statistics,,
especially
that
more
than
seventy-five
percent
of
amelia's
big
idea
survey
responses..
Our
respondents
were
influenced
by
the
no
cost
nature
of
the
show,.
I
think
that
was
a
great
representation
of
how
heather
and
betsy
are
specifically
meeting
and
aligning
with
folders,
community
priorities,
and
kind
of
rounding
back
to
that.
Those
questions
around
households
of
color,,
lower,
lower
survey
response
rates
and
ensuring
they
receive
their
surveys.
H
B
B
B
D
Lisa
wuycheck:,
thank
you
for
your
thoughts,,
you,
those
are
interesting..
I
had
no,.
E
E
Lauren
click
(she/her),,
oac:
ebony,.
If
you
don't.
oh,
lauren
click
(she/her),
oac:,
she
has
it
written
out,
already.,
so
do.
households
of
color
have
a
lower
survey
response
rate
than
other
households..
What
steps
did
you
take
to
ensure
that
households
of
color
received
and
felt
psychological
safety
necessary
to
complete
the
survey.?
If
that
is
indeed
a
barrier
to
completion
rates.?
Does
anybody
have
any
other
additions
to
those
questions.
B
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:,
so
maybe
we
see
the
survey,
questions
right
right
and
just
to
ebony's
point..
I've
been
working
with
some
groups
in
that
mobile
own
communities,,
and
that
is
a
big
thing
for
them:
feedback
that
I've
gotten
that
there
are
people
that
live
there,
that
you
know.
G
B
F
Maria
cole:
it.
yes,
yeah,
bruce.
is
it
possible
to
approve
the
report
and
ask
for
this
information
as
a
follow
up?.
B
B
A
B
Eboni
freeman
(she/her):,
let's
see.
so.,
but
you
want
to
withdraw
your
mode.
the
new.
Can
I
push
back
before
we
talk
about
withdrawals?,
I'd
um..
I
appreciate
what,,
caroline
and
maria,
the
sentiment
that
you're.
I
believe
I
understand
and
appreciate
the
sentiment
that
you're
going
for
there.,
but
I
do
feel
like
that
specific
language,,
which
again
this
could
be
a
complete
misunderstanding
and
a
complete
mis
wording.,
but
I
did
pick
up
on
hence
of
microaggression.
H
H
Eboni
freeman
(she/her):,
absolutely
I'm
in
that
quote:
of,
and
I'll
put
it
right
here
in
the
chat,
apology,
bruce,
that
you
mentioned,
you
weren't
able
to,,
and
we
can
see
it
now
on
the
screen.
oh,
perfect.,
but
yeah,
specifically,.
I
thought
that
there
was
a
interesting
element
of
saying,,
especially
when
households
of
color
opt
out
of
returning
surveys.
there
was,
in
my
opinion.
and
again,.
This
is
why
I'm
so
excited
to
hear
heather's
responses,,
because
I'm
sure,
as
kate
kathleen
mentioned.,
there
was
no
mal
in,.
H
H
Eboni
freeman
(she/her):.
That's
my
that's
the
way
I'm
reading
it.,
but
I'm
again.,
I
don't
anticipate.
um,.
I
think
I've
met
heather
before
I
don't
feel
like
that's
the
way
that
this
is
actually
going
to
play
out.
once
we
fully
understand
her
perspective..
But
at
this
point
we
can
only
read
what
she
has
provided
us,
and
what
she
has
provided
us
does
seem
to
have
hints
of
microaggression,.
H
Eboni
freeman
(she/her):.
I
I
definitely
think
the
motion
that
kathleen
put
forth
is
the
best
way
to
proceed
which
is
postponing
on
pending
those
answers,
because
hopefully,
at
the
end
of
this
it's
like,
oh,.
It
was
misunderstanding!.
Here's
the
rest
of
your
money,
smile..
We
all
walk
away,
really
happy.,
but
I
would
love
it
if
we
get
all
of
our
information
before
we
make
such
a
decision.
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
all
right.
number
four
boulder
opera.
H
Eboni
freeman
(she/her):,
um.,
minor,
notes,,
just
great
fantastic
pictures,
and
a
question
for
lauren..
Is
it
possible
for
us
to
share
them
on
the
b.
I
see
social
media
just
because
I
love
that
interaction
of
the
kids
really
being
zoned
in
on
the
art
being
brought
to
their
school.
and
I'm
just
wondering.?
Is
there
a
way
we
can
amplify
this
great
content?.
E
Lauren
click
(she/her),,
oac:
yes,,
it's
one
of
the
images
I'm
using
for
our
grants
program
for
twenty
twenty-three..
When
you
look
at
the
arts,
education
grant
program,
and
as
we
get
closer
to
those
arts,
education
opening
deadlines,,
that
that
is
one
of
the
highlight
images
because
they
are
so
fabulous.
yeah,.
E
D
Lisa
wuycheck:
reach
nearly
two
thousand
students
through
performances..
I've
got
to
acom
at
three
schools
in
boulder.
I'd,
say:
that's
an
excellent
return
for
the
community
on
a
three
thousand
dollar.
B
H
Lisa
wuycheck:
open
something
correctly..
I
didn't
see
any
photos
for
this
one.
okay,
I'll,
look,
again.
okay,
okay..
They
did
not
load
for
me.
okay,,
I'm
gonna,
look
again.
okay,,
then
what?
making
sure
it
wasn't
the
speed,
and
then,
just
out
of
the
side..
I
think
I
knew
the
two
women
that
had
organized
it
from
when
I
did
the
workshop
on
the
you
mountain,.
You
reservation
over
the
summer..
Those
are
two
of
the
people
that
had
made
this.
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
a
lot
of
the
stuff,,
so
that
was
neat
in
there..
I
just
wanted
to
thank
kelly
for
the
photos
of
these
beautiful
and
made
out
it's
which
it
really
works.
Apart.,
so
you'll
definitely
look
at
the
photos,.
B
Lisa
wuycheck:,
you
know.,
there's
a
bunch.
lisa,
wuycheck:
alright,,
so
any
other
discussion.
H
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:,
what
we
have
for
you
is
a
proposal
to
extend
the
letter
of
intent
with
the
nobel
monument
public
art
project
team.
B
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
and
was
wonderful
to
work
with
um.,
and
so
his
passing
is
a
loss
for
all
of
us,,
especially
for
the
family
who
lost
another
member
of
that
family
recently,
as
well.
they're
going
through
a
lot
right,
now.
but
um!.
B
Lisa
wuycheck:,
the
details
are
in
the
packet.
um!.
If
you
have
questions
for
lauren,,
we
can
post
them
to
her.,
but
there's
also
staff
recommendation
to
go
ahead
and
extend
the
date
on
the
letter
of
intent.
we'll
have
it
use
signatures
on
it,
and
we
did
suggest
it
for
two
years.
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
um,,
partly
because
now
of
the
new
leadership
team
in
new
context,,
it's
important
that
they
have
space
and
time
to
do
what
they
need
to
do
as
a
family,
and
then
move
into
fundraising
and
do
so
at
a
very
challenging
time..
So
uh,.
We
do
suggest
that
to
your
extension.
B
B
D
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
it
it
it
it's
hard
to
tell
what
the
project
is
in
early
in
design.
um!
and
the
fundraising
needs
to
be
complete..
So
then,
there's
a
lot
of
needs
to
go.
On.
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
um..
I
don't
see
anything
about
this
project
that
would
be
more
or
less
than
we
would
expect..
You
know
the
project
so
um!.
What
would
happen
is
the
same
thing.
You've
seen
with
all
our
other
public
art
projects
is,
we
will
integr
it.
it's
already
integrated
into
public,
basically
work
plan.
B
Lisa
wuycheck:,
and
so
when
we
hire
a
new
public
art
administrator
bill
review
that
work
plan
and
set
the
schedule
to
it,,
and
we
would
come
back
to
you
and
explain
how
that
I
don't
think
this
is
going
to
have
a
negative
effect..
It's
it's
part
of,
like
sort
of
the
run
up
show
for
of
the
you
know,
any
other
public.
B
C
G
G
Lauren
dubac:,
they
wanted
to
make
sure
we
had
some
legs
under
us
before
they
do
any
work,,
and
so
we
have
a
little
more
seed
funding
now
than
we
had
before
to
alter
that
design..
We
certainly
want
to
reduce
the
costs.
um,.
I
think
there
were
some
things
my
uncle
was
wanting
to
add
to
the
design
that
the
city
really
didn't,
like,
and
and
we
agree,,
and
so
we
are
trying
to
streamline
things.
G
Lauren
dubac:
raise
the
money,
and
in
terms
of
time
for
your
community.,
I
did
watch
the
art
council
meeting.
That
was
in
march,,
where
my
uncle
was
there,
and-
and
you
talked
about
that
as
well.
and
the
letter
of
intent
that
you
okayed
at
that
meeting,
was
sort
of
conditioned
on
not.
G
Lauren
dubac:
um!,
my
uncle
died
in
may,,
and
so
we
are
now
trying
to
get
back
on
track
talking
to
fundraisers,
and
we
anticipate
that
the
work
is
really
on
our
shoulders
to
come
back
to
you
and
say,.
You
know
this
is
the
progress
we've
made,
and
we,.
You
know
the
work,.
G
Lauren
dubac:
the
burden
of
the
work,,
I
think,
will
be
on
on
dawn's,
daughter,
myself.,
um,
and
the
artistic
team,.
If
I
understand.
A
maria
cole:,
so
there's
uh,
bruce..
Can
I
ask
a
question?
yeah,?
I
I
think.
and
I
think,
we're
all
saying
the
same
thing.
but,
as
I
recall,
uh,,
we
last
talked
about
it.
we,.
I
think
the
term
we
talked
about
was,,
you
know,,
to
put
some
rails
on
the
the
so
that
it
had
some
criteria
and
some
boundaries.
and
I
think,
lauren,
you're,
addressing.
F
Maria
cole:,
that
you
are
looking
at
having
some
criteria
and
boundary,,
so
it's
achievable.
um,
I
do
want
to
share
with
everyone.
I
know.
matt
knows
john
grant.
he's
an
excellent
partner
in
public
art,
and.
F
G
B
D
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
great
matters
from
commissioners.,
arena,
and
caroline.
D
Lisa
wuycheck:
um.,
I
don't
remember.,
who
else
was
there
that
in
had
a
joint
meeting
with
the
human
relations
council?
Many
commission
a
couple
of
weeks
back,
and
they
were
very
supportive
of
the
idea
that
we
work
in
tandem
with
them
um.
and
had
some
additional
ideas,,
including
perhaps
folding.
Some
of
the
the
outreach
work
into
um.
C
Lisa
wuycheck:
submit
a
joint
public
statement
via
the
newspaper,
and
doing
sort
of
a
joint
press
release
that
they
would
like
to
do
within
a
month
and
a
half
of
our
meeting,.
So.
D
D
Lisa
wuycheck:,
I
miss
that
meeting.
we're
hoping
then
that
can.
and
I
don't
have
an
update.,
I'm
sorry.
I
did
not
get
an
update,
because
if
they
just
met
yesterday
before,
I
think.
yeah,,
but
they
were
expecting
um.
maria
and
I
had
offered
to
come
and
do
a
presentation,
and
they
felt,
and
we're
exhibiting
that
they
completely
understood
what
we
were
going,
for.
They
were
fully
supportive,
and
that
it
wasn't
even
necessary
for
us
to
go
catch
it,.
So
we
expect
that
there
will
be.
C
F
Maria
cole:
sure,
um.,
so
we
have
a
couple
of
sentences.
We
want
to
read
to
all
of
you
and
um,
if
it's
all
right,
bruce.
after
the
meeting,,
maybe
we
can
send
this
out,
so
people
can
think
about
it
and
provide
feedback..
Do
it
on
the
fly.
um!,
so
I'll
go
ahead
and
read
it,.
If
that's
all
right.
bruce.
F
Maria
cole:
mit
ctl.
and
uh,
the
boulder
arts
commission
deeply
believes
that
our
community
is
stronger
and
more
vital
when
we
are
inclusive
of
all
voices
and
perspectives..
The
arts
commission
continues
to
be
a
vital
institution
that
stands
up
for
those
who
are
targeted
and
excluded
because
of
their
race,
ethnicity,
sexual
orientation,,
gender
expression,,
religious
beliefs
or
backgrounds..
One
hundred
and
fifty.
F
Maria
cole:,
we
support
the
building,,
a
community
where
all
artists
and
create
a
feel
empowered
in
their
freedom
to
express
themselves.
if
you,,
an
artist
or
creative
who
needs
support
around
these
ideals,.
The
following
community
resources
are
available,
and
and
that's
um,
of
course,,
where
we
are
working
with
the
human
relations
commission
to
find
some
links.
A
B
B
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:,
you
could
do
whatever
you
want,,
you
know,
like,
like
I
say
in
every
sense
I
say
to
you,.
It
starts
with
that,,
I
know.
but,
uh,,
but
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
that
from
their
perspective,
who
are,
you
know,
are
so
better
experts
on
this
sort
of
thing.
um,.
There's
a
lot
of,.
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
one
that
we
send
out
one
that
we
can
post
on
the
website,
put
in
the
newsletter,
one
that
we
could
share
with
the
interse
that
they
could
adopt.
um,.
It
turns
out
the
library
is
going
through
something
right
now
with
dry
queen
story
time
that
relates
to
this?
um,,
but
that,
then,
brings
us
to
what
I
think
is
maybe
the
most
critical
like
pivot
on
this
is.
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
the
club
queue
shooting
was
at
an
arts
that.
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
right?
um!,
so
you
know
it..
It
seems
to
me
like
a
wise
idea
to
build
off
of
that
in
whatever
way
I
you
know,,
I
I
think
I'm
of
the
essence..
We
need
to
get
out
there
and
and
say
what
we
need
to
say.,
and
so
you
know
I
I
don't
want
to
stop
you
from
doing
anything
that
you
want
to
do.
Today.,
but
um,.
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
the
expanding
tragedies
that
we
have
to
do.
so.
um!.
Are
you
suggesting
context
when,
in
that
blur?
yeah,,
you
know,?
I
I'm
not.
sure..
I
I
think,
mario,.
What
you
said
was
spot,
on,
and
and
I'll
understand
when
I
think
about
like
sort
of
examples..
It's
like
whether
it's
not
something
I
want
on
the
front
page
of
the
website.,
but
mentioning
the
fact
that
this
has
that
context.
B
Lisa
wuycheck:,
that
that
that's
more
of
my
thought.
and
so
maybe
it's
more
like,.
What
is
the
preamble
to
the
statement?
or
what
is
the
nature
of
the
resources
themselves?
or
is
it
a
reaction
to
the
city
council,
statement?,
saying,
city
council,
said
this:.
We
experience
this
in
our
grant.
Reports
and
people
are
in
the
community
who
need
your
help.
and.
B
B
B
B
B
C
B
D
B
G
F
F
F
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
all
side
meetings
have
it.
um,.
If
we
have
fifteen
minutes
to
make
a
make
a
motion
yeah,
like
vote
on
a
motion
that
says
the
the
boulder
ours
commission
stands
with,.
B
B
B
F
A
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
move
that
lisa
wuycheck:
lisa
wuycheck:.
We
stand
with,
or
a
boulder
arts
commission
deeply
believes..
I
think
that's
fine,
too..
You
know
that
you're
you're,
the
unlike
sort
of
a
policy
stance
or
an
action..
This
is
a
value
statement
that
you're
agreeing
on
somewhere,.
So
we
need
to
tweak
the
the
end
of
it,.
B
H
Eboni
freeman
(she/her):,
if
we're
making
a
motion
on
it
tonight.
I
do
want
to
bring
up
a
question
that
is
not
uh,,
necessarily
something
that
I
think
should
be
changed
with
more
than
that,.
I
want
to
make
sure
it's
out
on
the
table.
The
list
that's
provided
of
those
targeted
and
excluded
race,
ethnicity,,
sexual
orientation,,
gender
expression,,
religious
beliefs,
and
or
background..
It
does.
H
Eboni
freeman
(she/her):
hmm.
bring
to
mind
a
conversation
that
was
brought
up
this
summer,
and
the
bypock
and
black
lives
matter
conversations
around
some..
Occasionally
we
use
the
the
acronym
by
pop,
when
a
reality.
black
people
are
the
ones
affected.
so,
for
example,,
with
targeted
police
shootings
that
across
the
country.
Sometimes
the
word
by
the
phrase
byp
is
used
when
reality,
it's
more
likely
to
be
a
black
person..
So
I
want
to
ensure
that
we're
thinking
about.
you
know,
when
we
list
out
these,
I
think
it's.,
six.
H
F
F
H
Eboni
freeman
(she/her):,
and
I
think
that
bruce
and
I'm
also
thinking
about
the
most
recent
examples..
I
don't
believe
the
most
recent
examples
were
art
pieces
that
were
related
to
folks
with
disabilities..
So
I
guess
that
brings
up
that
additional
question..
Are
we
proactively
saying
that
we
don't
want
that?
We
don't
want
to
exclude
and
target
people
with
disabilities
as
well?
or
do..
We
only
want
to
focus
on
the
folks
who
have
recently
been
targeted
and
affected?.
D
Lisa
wuycheck:
um!.
So
I
wonder
if,
if
that
also
how
I'm
reading
like,,
how
immigrant
folks
um,?
Because
this
is
how
it's
come
up
with
the
commission
recently.
B
B
D
Lisa
wuycheck:,
so
this
being
the
legacy
statement,
and
not
having
that
made
a
suggestion
that
we
bring
a
motion.
Today.
is
an
expansion
of
these
backgrounds
important
for
you
to
include
an
emotion
that
we
make
today?.
B
B
B
D
Lisa
wuycheck:
well,,
I
so
I
teach
a
class
and
adopt
the
dance
class
for
people
with
special
needs,,
and
I
know
that
what
I'm
hearing
from,
and
so
it's
children..
But
what
I'm
hearing
from
their
parents
is
that.
D
F
Maria
cole:,
I
don't
know,,
could
we,
georgia,
have
a
suggestion?.
Could
we
write
physical
ability?
yeah.,
but
it's
cognitive,
cognitive
and
physical.
D
G
B
D
Lisa
wuycheck:
the
emotion
today.,
it's
the
kind
of
immediate
statement
in
support
of
artists
and
creatives
that
are.
C
Lisa
wuycheck:
motions
or
or
declarations,
or.
B
D
Lisa
wuycheck:
artists
and
communities,
and
sorry,
artists
and
creatives.
D
Lisa
wuycheck:
do
we
need
documented
integration
status,,
or
we
just
think
that
most
people
know
what
that
means.
F
D
D
B
F
Lisa
wuycheck:
and
that's
I
don't
think,
that's
our
intent..
I
just
think
that
those
are
the
specific
recent
events,
and
that
it's
worthy
of
identifying
that
this
is
actually
happening.
Here.,
you
know,
we
have
a
low,
we
have
call
queue,
is
an
actual
event,
and
we
have
actual
local
harassment
based
on
those
other
categories.
H
Eboni
freeman
(she/her):.
I
would
second
what
caroline
is
saying,
and
also
call
out
the
kathleen..
We
were
on
a
role..
We
were
agreeing
with
each
other
on
everything
we
need
to
get
back
on
track.,
but
yes,,
so
I
would
kind
of
just
again.
second,
what
caroline
said.
and
of
course,
kathleen,.
I
appreciate
your
perspective.
um..
This
happened
to
our
people
right
now,
and
to
take
away
from
that
and
say,
all
big,
a
tree..
It
just
kind
of
feels
very.
H
Eboni
freeman
(she/her):
saying
it's
straightforwardly
whitewashed,
and
it's
like,
oh,
we
like
everybody,,
and
it's
just
like
putting
a
flag
on
your
door.,
but
then,
uh,.
You
know,
not
actually
doing
the
work,
not
actually
showing
up,,
not
actually
putting
it
out.
There,
and
I
agree
with
you,
kathleen.
there's
going
to
be
some
people
who
say,
wow,,
you
didn't,,
you
didn't
list
out
disability.,
you
didn't
list
out
xy
and
z,
and
then
we
can
confidently
say
as
a
commission,
you're
right..
We
didn't
list
it
out
because
your
community
in
this
moment
is
not
being
attacked,.
H
Eboni
freeman
(she/her):
conversation
of
oh,.
You
didn't
protect
my
feelings
at
this
exact
moment
when
I
was
hurt.,
well,
no,,
you
weren't,
hurt
at
this
moment,
and
I
think
we
have
to
have
the
confidence
and
the
courage
to
say
that
we
are
willing
to
stand
with
the
people
who
are
being
hurt
right
now.
H
B
E
Lisa
wuycheck:
yeah,
I
like
that.
yeah.,
so
it's
the
middle
bit
that
I
I
need
you
guys
to
to
articulate..
So
you
know,
in
recognition
of
recent
events,,
a
call,,
queue,
and
local
harassment
of
artists
and
creatives..
It's
part
of
share
based
on
their
sexual
orientation,,
gender
expression
and
immigration.
Status.
okay?.
H
B
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
all
right.,
I'm
in
a
junk
here
at
social
club.
H
H
Eboni
freeman
(she/her):
intriguing
question
is
around,.
How
do
we
enter
this?
Issue?
doesn't
arise
again,
because
the
amount
of
anxiety
felt
not
only
by
junkyard
social
club,,
but
by
many
venues
in
our
town.
um,
for
example,
and
see
caroline
nodding.
Our
head.
we've
got
fantastic
work
being
done
by
the
burner
community,
and
this
arises
for
them
as
well..
But
how
can
bac
be
a
force
for
good
and
advocating
for
artists,
interacting
with
the
planning
and
development
services
department,
and
specifically,
a
question
for
kind
of
matt
and
lauren
and
amy
to
a
degree.
H
Eboni
freeman
(she/her):
um.,
eboni,
freeman
(she/her):,
what
actions
have
been
taken
in
the
past,
and
what
proactive
processes
might
be
put
in
place
in
the
future
to
clarify
and
ease
the
permitting
process.,
because
I
think
this
is
keeps
kind
of
arising,
and
you
know,
junk
to
our
social
club
was
a
recent
example
of
this
issue,.
But
it's
not
going
to
stop,
and
I
think
we
are
in
a
great
position
to
help..
H
D
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
every,,
you
know,,
planning
expert
I've
talked
to
that
has
say,.
We
have
one
of
the
most
strict
side
codes
ever..
The
reason
we
do
is
because
people
in
boulder
wanted
to
have
a
mental
environment
that
isn't
caught
up
with
advertising
and
lighting
and
dynamic
science,,
and
you
know
that
they
want
it
a
different
type
of
environment.,
and
so
the
sign
code
is
mechanism
by
which
we
achieve
that.
All
of
the
parts
of.
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
the
land
use
code,
zoning
uh,
the
comprehensive
plan
that
stand
in
our
way
to
doing
some
of
these
things
are
there
for
reason?
okay..
So
with
that
context.,
since
I
started,
we
have
been.
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
encountering
problems
in,
you
know,,
sort
of
efficient
execution
of
public
art.,
um,.
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
because
of
permitting
requirements
also
with
taxation,,
but
that's
sort
of
a
slightly
separate
issue.
um!
and
we've
so
far
been
solving
them
one
by
one
with
inconsistent
success.
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:,
so
the
story
goes
that
um!.
We
actually
had
this
discussion
in
the
arts
commission
years
ago.
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
um,
at
the
time
um,
our
champion
on
city
council,
was
jan
burton,
who's
over
our
council,
but
continues
to
monitor
the
issue,
and
we
assign
this
to
mandy
to
go
and
figure
out
what
can
be
done.
within.
B
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
and
um,.
We
have.
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
five
different
things,
different
things
that
did
work..
We
finally
got
together
a
cohesive
effort
in
two
thousand
and
nineteen
to
sit
down
with
the
then
planning
to
record
and
say,
okay,.
Let's
build
a
plan.,
he
was
on
board..
We
had
a
strategy,
we
got
legal
involved.,
we
have
three
departments,
four
departments
working
on
it.
um.,
covid
stopped
us.
B
B
B
B
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:,
and
to
try
actually
two
pi
project
to
try
and
get
some
of
this
accomplished
um!,
so
those
are
still
under
way..
The
other
excuse
number
four
out
of
our
role,,
because
public,
our
projects
so
much
high.
a
pilot
project
implies
that
we're
going
to
be
evaluating
this
years
down
the
road.
right?.
B
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
and
running
away
contractor.,
who
then,
when
the
project
comes
to
us,
and
it's
too
small
for
that
project
to
hire
general
contractor
in
their
budget
that
we
have
someone
on
call
that
we
can
deploy..
So
you
know
there's
little
problems
like
that
that
are
really
pernicious,
but
are
hidden
right?
and
so
we're
going
to
try
and
attack
it
in
a
bunch
of
different
ways.
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
um,,
it's
it's
hard
on
purpose.,
so
you
know,,
there's,
there's
only
so
much
apology
we
can
make
for
a
community
that
really
wants
us
to
pay
attention
to
this
stuff,,
but
it's
also
been
noticed
in
these
meetings..
It's
been
notes
by
council.-
it
was
at
one
time
account
the
priority,
and
then
it
fell
off
again.
um!.
That.
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:,
so
I
have
a
question,
emily,.
How
is
that
resolved
for
junkyard??
Did
they
did
planning,
decide
that
it
wasn't
an
auxiliary,
welling
or
auxiliary
structure
that
this
you
know,
shipping
container
actually
was
an
art
installation.
H
H
H
Eboni
freeman
(she/her):,
instead
of
kind
of
solving
the
root
problem,
which,
as
matt
very
eloquently
listed
out,,
we've
got
four
huge
hurdles
that
we
have
to
overcome..
But
what
are
your
thoughts,
caroline?
from
your
lawyer?
perspective?
love
having
a
lawyer
on
the
team.
um,?
What
are
your
thoughts
on??
How
this
plays
out
both
fiduciarily
and
operationally.?.
D
Lisa
wuycheck:,
without
knowing
all
the
details
of
it.,
I
don't
see
any
barrier
to
setting
it
up
that
way..
I
um,.
You
know
you
can,,
as
a
fiduciary.
Body,
have
input,
from.
D
Lisa
wuycheck:
other
sources,,
you
know,,
which
is
what
I
would
see
the
role
being.
I
I
do
know
from
personal
experience,
and
working
with
the
temple
of
tranquility,,
that
if
there
were
a
staff,
general
contractor.
D
H
Eboni
freeman
(she/her):
yes,
and
it
rings
up
a
slight
um.
one
b.
Question
of
it
sounds
like
the
temple
of
tranquility
didn't
know
this
resource
was
available,,
so
I
guess
that
kind
of
directs
the
question
towards
matt,
so
actually
first
confirming
that
from
caroline
and
then
for
matt.
um..
How
well
publicized
is
this
resource?.
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
okay.,
so
the
resource
doesn't
exist
yet
lisa
wuycheck:
you'll
you'll
be
shocked
to
hear
that.,
that's
how
we
got
the
idea,
and
there's
been
other
people
as
well
that
we,.
You
know
we
knew
that
was
coming.
but
um,.
We
have
the
funding
to
put
it
in
place
next
year..
So
it's
going
to
be
for
the
future.,
but.
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck::
that's
when
we
deploy
them,,
you
know.,
so
we
get
community
initiative
projects
by
temporal
tranquility,
or
maybe
even
like
a
donation
like
the
sculpture,
or
of
a
very
small
commission
of
from
public
our
dollars..
Then
we
would
say,
okay,.
We
have
general
contractors.,
so
it
just
have
to
slow
down
and
impact
your
budget,
and
we'll
bring
that
to
a
project
to
help
move
things.
Along.
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
uh..
I
believe
we
move
money
around
from
our
maintenance
budget
to
make
that
happen..
So
you
have
a
maintenance
budget
right?,
because
it's
it's
better.,
it's
this.
well,.
We
got
more
funding.,
so
yeah,,
it's
better.
This
year.
um,.
It
will
continue
next
year..
We
have
some
more
funding,.
But
after
that.
F
Lisa
wuycheck:
that
that
maria
cole:
can
I
ask
a
few
questions.
so
so
in
ebony,
too,,
I
think.
um,,
you
know..
Are
we
finding
that
some
of
the
the
public
artists
don't
really
understand
the
the
codes
as
well,
and
also
the
structural
requirements.?
So
you
know,
being
someone?
That's
you
know,,
deep
in
the
trenches
on
this
stuff.,
so
there's
ada
codes
or
accessibility,
codes.,
there's.
F
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
and,
like
I
said
purposefully.,
and
so
I
I
think
that's
that's
one
problem
to
address
is
the
expertise.
um,.
I
think
what
I'm
really
excited
about
is
what
planning
and
development
services
is
committed
to
along
those
lines
is
to
having
an
expert
embedded
in
their
team..
So
when
they
hire
up
there's
going
to
be
someone
who's
assigned
to
the
arts.
B
Lisa
wuycheck:,
but
expertise
doesn't
get
around
that
that
a
sculpture
in
beach
park
on
university
hill
has
to
be
zoned
as
it
is
about.
B
Lisa,
wuycheck:,
right,
and
and
it's,
or
or
else
you
need
to
have
it,,
be
an
a
to
you,
and
have
a
sprinkler
system
inside
of
a
billion,
right?.
It's
like
that.,
that's
an
a
a
real
example..
I
have
it
right.
so
so
so
yeah,.
I
think,
understanding
how
many
there's,
and
one
thing
but
um!
there,,
there's,
there's
um,.
B
B
B
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
um!,
it
brings
down
the
amount
of
art
we
get
to
buy,,
but
it
mitigates
some
of
those
issues,
and
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
we
can
do
better
is
when
community
projects
come
to
us
is
to
sit
down
and
actually
help
with
scheduling
something
we
didn't
do
with
you.
well,.
You
know
it's
like
um:.
B
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:,
just
I'll
put
an
asterisk
in
there
just
to
for
future
um.
B
B
B
F
Maria
cole:
oh,
can,
I
have
a
add,
something,
bruce?
um,.
I
I
think
just
to
build
upon
your
your
your
notion
about
having
a
kind
of
a
public
event..
When
someone
comes
on
board.
um,,
I
feel
like
a
portion
of
the
experiments
in
public
art,
or
something
something
of
that
kind
of
like
more
experimental,
should
be
a
way
to
sort
of
be
an
introduction
to
the
public
process
and
building
in
the
public
realm..
You
know
that
there's
some
real.
F
Maria
cole:
life
safety
issues
with
building
a
large
scale
object
in
the
public
realm,
and
I
feel
like,.
Perhaps
the
experiments
in
public
art
can
introduce
artists
into
that
process.
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck::
do
we
want
to
keep
going,
or
do
we
want
to
table
any
of
these
things
for??
I
guess
that'd
be
the
january
meeting.,
I'm
happy
to
keep
going.
B
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:,
so
the
idea
has
been
discussed
about
a
year
and
video.
The
guards
can
put
together
to
sort
of
send
a
message
community,
it's
book
with
our
communications,
team.
B
B
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
work
with
you
on
scripts.,
give
that
out
on
channel
eight
use
program
and
then
segment
that
out,,
so
that
we
can
use
that
video
in
other
places.
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
and
so
communication
teams
excited
about
that..
Now
that
said,
um,
you
know
we
we
uh,.
B
Lisa
wuycheck:,
then
we
have
to
bow
out
as
staff
right
can't
spend
money,
and
we
can't
spend
staff
time
on
any
message.
That's
like
um.
city
council
should
spend
more
money
on
the
arts,
or
even,.
You
know
the
community
should
go
to
city
council
meetings
and
talk
about
the
arts
right,,
so
you
can
do
that,,
but
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
support
it
right.
There's.
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
help
you,
with
the
the
cost
of
a
video.
um!.
B
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
that
offered
that
much
help
with
the
production
and
get
that
ready
to
post.,
and
then
our
communications
department
and
lauren
could
help
with
a
campaign
of
sorts
to
get
it
out,.
So
that
would
probably
mean
something
like
hosting
on
the
website.
putting
in
our
newsletter
social
media.
B
B
B
B
B
D
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
right.,
but
instead
of
having
it
a
talking,
heads
video,,
we
would.
then,,
you
know.,
you
see
each
person
for
the
first
five,
ten
seconds,
and
then
we
cover
them.
While
we
still
hear
what
they're
saying
with
the
role,
the
footage
of
that
we
have,
that
is
in
our
archive.
that,
or
it
has
tons
of
stuff,,
whether
it's
still
or
video.
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
and
we
didn't
have
any
facts
in
it
like
um.,
here's
how
we
spent
the
million
dollars.
You
gave
us
for
our
grants,
this
year,
and
then
show
a
whole
bunch
of
different,,
and
even
though
we
were
coming
out
of
covid,
you
know.
well,,
here's,
here's
all
the
good
euros
in
town.
yeah,.
I
mean,,
I
think,
that's
a
celebration
of..
You
know
the
resilience.,
that's
a
good
for
the
celebrations.
B
B
B
B
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:,
it's
just.
We
make
a
celebratory
video.
and
then,
in
the
letter,
say,
here's
the
link
to
all
of
it.
yeah.,
so
yeah,,
because
the
thing
about
it,,
and
especially
in
the
arts,
is,,
it's
a
celebratory
video
with
data
that
shows
that
the
arts
are
important
and
we're
doing
a
good
job
is
actually
a
great,,
so
we
can
post
it
all
around,,
and
then
you
can,,
you
know,
hop
on
instagram
posts,
a
video
and
say,.
This
is
the
reason
why
we
need
more
money,
right
like,,
so
you
can
use
it.
D
B
B
B
B
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
videos.,
it's
just
a
matter
of
it,
was
never
part
of
the
work
plan
until
older
it
showcase,
and
and
so
we
didn't.
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
like.
keep
an
archive
of
that
lisa
wuycheck:
piece
of
it.,
so
you
know
laura
can
speak
better
to
this,,
who
is
actually
has
a
comment.,
but
we
have
limits
on
our
server
for
the
city
of
how
much
content
we
can
hold..
So
we
have
amazing
photos
from
all
of
these
reports
and
things,,
but
we
don't
have
video
because
we
can't
hold
it
in
the
city
server
like
they.,
I
tried
to,
and
they
hollered
at
me..
So
I
was
just
with
with
the
showcase..
We
never
had
enough
overall.
B
B
D
Lisa
wuycheck:,
they
don't
want?,
I'm
saying
that
I'm
saying
they
did
not
ask
for..
So
what
does
that
mean?
Is
that
I
I
honestly
have.?
What
I
know
is
that
um,,
I
don't
think
so.
they
didn't
want
a
letter,
because
they
already
have
enough
stuff
to
do,
and
they
don't
want
to
have
to
read
the
letters
to.
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
well,.
I
remember
someone
like
actually
saying
that
I
don't
remember
who
it
was,,
I
mean,,
because
if
it,
if
we
can
take
that
part
out
of
the
equation,,
that
would
be
the
letter
that
just
opens
it
up
for
this
whole
thing
with
channel
eight,
and
they
can
do
the
editing
and
blah
blah:
blah:
yeah.
okay..
So
I
just
assumed
we
need
a
letter..
Since
every
year
I've
been
on
the.
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:,
you
know.,
maybe
you
can
assign
somebody
to
come
up
with
content,
because
we'll
fact,
check
it
with
the
communications
team
and
and
get
that
back
to
you,,
and
then
we
can,
you
know,
sort
of
work
with
channel
eight,.
If
that's
the
direction
you
want
to
go,,
but
just
empowering
somebody
to
between
now
and
the
next
time
you
meet
each
time
that
that
comes
into
the
video.
yeah,
okay,.
B
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
kind
of
walk
you
through
it
and
teach
you.
stop
about
producing
a
video.
B
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
in
other
words,.
Here's
that's!
Why,
like
the
celebratory
words,
that's
like,
yeah,
perfect.,
and
it's
so..
That's
why
I
wanted
to
separate
the
letter..
I
don't
need
to
do
that,,
but
that
we
can
focus
on
celebrating
our
artists,
the
idea
getting
out
supporting,
too,,
you
know..
I
think
it's!
It's
still
a
tough
time
for
a
lot
of
yeah.
yeah,,
I'd
like
to
make
it.
so
that
arts
organizations.
B
B
B
lisa
wuycheck:
thank
you.
I'll
make
this
quick
so
that
lauren
can
make
it
long.
great
um!.
I
will
entertain
questions
about
the
management,,
but
you
can
always
email
me
any
if
you
have.,
but
I
think
the
big
thing
is
that
far,
and
I
city
council
is
going
to
be
discussing
the
adjustment
to
the
budget..
This
is
something
that
happens
twice
a
year,,
but
in
this
one
we'll
also
be
discussing
a
last
round
of
of
funding.
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
and
city
council
uh,
has.,
there's
nothing
there..
There
was
nothing
in
staff
proposals
for
the
arts.
In
this
last
round.
Until
city
council
decided
to
ask
staff.
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
um,,
if
any
unspent
funds
can
be
used
for
the
arts,
community
and
um,.
There
was
a
lot
of
testimony
from
community
groups
and
people
affiliated,,
especially
with
bullet
for
harmonic
and
studios
around
for
our
funding
right
now.
B
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:,
which
is
the
affordability
of
venues
and
the
trouble
that
individual
artists
are
still
having.
in
god.
recovering,
is
for
those
rest
of
the
economy..
So
we
have
proposed
that
one
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars.,
if
council
decides
to
sign
that
for
us
that
funds.
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
we'll
bring
it
back
to
you,
and
we're
we're
suggesting
we
divide
it
between
the
rental
systems,,
the
new
affordability
fund,
next
year,
and
another
round
of
the
artists,
hiring
it.
so,,
assuming
that
that's
what
they
agree:
to.
to.
B
C
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
there's
I
mean
you
forty,
and
it's
not
you..
I
I
think
the
important
thing.
if
you
attend
the
the
attending,
where
the
impact
is
fine.,
if
you
speak
the
most
important
thing,,
whether
wearing
an
ape
or
not,
it's
to
get
up
and
say
I
am
a.
Member
of
the
arts.
Commission.-
but
I'm
speaking
right
now
as
an
individual,.
B
F
Lisa
wuycheck:
I've
been
the
kids
today
lisa
wuycheck:
by
two
o'clock,.
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
from
new
york,
and
I
might.
so
one
question
is
that
it
reaches
for
us
to
stand
up
and
ask
for
that.
if
this,,
what
you've
heard
of
the
great
drive
is
really
all
we're.
Gonna
get
is
the
one
fifty,
which
is
um,.
It's
we're
grateful,
honestly.,
but,,
um!,.
B
C
Lisa
wuycheck:,
you
know
fulfill
more
of
the
the
us
funding
or
yeah.
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
you
with
everyone.
B
B
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:,
no
one
would
have
the
other
way,
or
your
second
guest
that
that
money
should
be
used
for
some
other
purpose.
right?.
I
like
that.
that..
They
didn't
have
to
do
that,,
but
they
saw
the
need.,
and
so
my
position,,
you
know.,
I'm
presenting
tomorrow.,
I'm
going
to
tell
them
about
this.
um..
My
position
is
that.
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:,
so
you
know,
whatever
you
say,,
I
think
for
me,
the
bottom
line
is
whether
you
ask
for
more
money,
or
you
just
thank
them
for
the
money
that
they
are.
they're,
considering
giving
um.
they're
doing
it
because
we're
effective
at
what
we.
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
alright,,
lisa,
wuycheck:,
great,
I'll
just
be
really
brief.
um.,
just
so..
We
get
in
the
record
that
we
have
special
meeting
on
our
team..
I
think
it
was..
Thank
you
for
those
who
could
participate.
went
very
well..
We
approved
the
public
art
project
to
the
finalists,
and
we're
entering
into
contracting
right
now.
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
sort
of
out
of
blue,
and
we
need
to
get
done
quick,
and
you
all
responded
and
helped
us
out
with
that.
So
and
so,
as
did
the
dmc.,
and
so
you
know
that
that
was
very
helpful,
and
we
won't.
do
it
again..
So.
D
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
D
D
B
Lisa
wuycheck:,
let's
see
where
the
parentheses
is
in
the
first
line,
such
as
education,
training,
service
or
governing
decision
making
boards.
um,.
I
think
I
had
added
for
experience
in
the
arts,
culture
or
involved
in
in
an
arts,
cultural
organization..
I
really
like
the
I
mean.
that's
kind
of
what
we're
about.
G
D
G
D
B
G
G
H
Eboni
freeman
(she/her):
yeah.
and
I
can
verbalize
this.,
but
exactly
that,
kathleen,
we're
back
on
track..
So
exactly
that
with
question
six.,
just
from
moving
the
language
around
visual
and
performing
artists..
It's
because
I
think,
um,.
As
mentioned
earlier,,
we
just
on
the
commission,,
make
up
a
very
diverse
range
of
artists
that
is
not
encapsulated
in
those
two
specific
sub
sectors,,
so
just
removing
that
language..
So
it's
more
inclusive,
and
then
on
question,
nine.,
very
this.,
a
little
touch
of
words.
H
B
H
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
and
we
just
need
your
advice..
So
if,
if
the
tone
of
the
room
is
in
agreement,,
then
so
what
is
the
goal
of
asking?
like
the
specific
question,
like
nine
is
on
now,,
but
eight
is
very
similar,
like..
How
would
you
stem
all
the
cart
money??
What
is
it
just
to
uncover
their
thought,
process,
or
like,.
B
B
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
um..
I
think
we
we
put
it
in
like
a
year
or
two
ago,,
and
just
because
I
I
think
we
thought
it
would
be
helpful
for
people
that
are
thinking
about
applying
to
know
what
they're
getting
into..
So
we
tried
to
be
real
specific..
I
would
encourage
everybody
to
look
at
those
f.
a.
queue..
Look
at
each
one,
see
what
it
says,.
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
or
it's
stuff
that
maybe
needs
to
be
updated,.
You
know.,
post,
covid.
uh,.
Maybe
we
look
at
it
differently
now
through
a
different
filter.,
so
you
know.
just
see
what's
missing,
and
the
the
fa
cues
are.
they're
not
set
in
stone.,
so
there
it's
a
living
document,.
So
we
can
totally
add
subtract.
Change.
F
G
D
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
I'll
send
the
faq
out
to
link
to
that
document.
um,
that
we
have
a
little
bit
longer
the
fuse
on.
So,
as
you
think,
of
things
and
review,
like,
take
your
time.,
but
the
main
thing
is
this:.
So
I'll
take
the
advice
that
we
talked
about
here,
any
other
you
advice
you
have
in
the
next
forty-eight
hours
like
shoot
over
to
lisa,
and
I.
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
um,
and
then
we'll
sort
of
lisa,
wuycheck:
yeah,
I'll,
be
out
of
town.,
but
I
don't
want
your
email
to
get
missed.,
but
we'll
we'll
be
submitting
this
on
monday..
So
anything
you
know
you
through
the
weekend
we'll
send
us
some
some
ideas.
we'll
talk
about
what
we've
talked
about,,
which
email
to
me,
and
we'll.
Let
you
know
the
final
result
when
we
send
that
into
the
city,
call.
E
E
Lauren
click
(she/her),
oac:,
three
lauren
click,
(she/her),
oac:
last
pieces
for
you.
um.
E
E
E
Lauren
click
(she/her),
oac:
what?
to
the
staff
recommendation,
at
least
for
how
to
use
these
funds.
you,
don't,
have
to
make
a
motion
on
this,
because,
as
you
know,.
The
budget
is
overseen
by
chris,
the
director..
So
this
is
really
getting
your
input
and
your
direction
to
give
to
chris
for
him
to
finalize
his
decision
on
this.
E
Lauren
click,
(she/her),,
oac:
and
lauren
click,
(she/her),
oac:,
I'm
happy
to
go
into
the
the
logic
behind
the
recommendation.,
but
if
you
have
any
questions,,
it's
really
just
to
get
your
you,
like
your
thoughts
and
your
input
kind
of
nodding
approval
that
this
is
what
we
give,
chris.
um.
as
a
recommendation.
D
B
Lisa
wuycheck:,
and
can
I
just
ask
the
community
lauren,
the
community
project
grants.
E
Lauren
click
(she/her),
oac:,
we're
proposing
for
the
organization
grants,,
and
that's
specifically
because
that
category,
we
get
the
most
applicants
that
we
cannot
fund..
So
generally
it's
between
twenty
and
thirty
that
we
can
fund
of
those
applicants,
and
generally,
there
are
a
lot
of
very
strong
applications..
So
the
logic
is
to
give
three
grants
of
ten
thousand
or
less
right,,
two
thousand
being
the
max
that
they
can
apply
for
in
the
community
project
grants
for
organizations
category.
F
F
F
Maria
cole:
music
then,,
not
venue,
sorry,
music,
organizations,,
classical
music
organizations
did
not
get
funded
for
their
general
operating
budgets,,
and
so
I
almost
would
rather
go
backwards
and
pick
up,
change,
stick.
G
F
Maria
cole:
par
parcel
out,,
but
I
the
ones
that
it
will
come
to
my
mind..
I
think
there
was
two
classical
musical
organizations.
does
they
want
to
remember
boulder
and
the
greater
roller
you
orchestra?
That's
next
correct
that
that
grants
is
twenty
thousand
dollars
a
year
for
three
years.,
well,
an
older
field.
Harmonic,
I
think,
would
be
fifty
thousand
a
year,.
B
B
B
D
B
B
B
F
G
F
Lauren
click
(she/her),,
oac:
right?
so
from
the
arts,
education,
grant,,
but
we
didn't
have
enough
applicants..
Some
is
from
the
the
the
equity
fund,
which
is
set
aside
for
the
indigenous
artist
fellowship
that
wasn't
hadn't
been
allocated,
yet.
um!.
E
F
B
B
E
E
Lauren
click
(she/her),
oac:
grants
to
thirty
percent
of
the
applicants,
and
previous
years..
It
was
twenty
and
twenty,
eight
percent,
like
it's
a
very
small
group,
that
we
can
actually
fund,
because
we
get
so
many
applications
there.
we
got
more
applications,
pre.
covid,
and
this
year
I'm
expecting
a
lot
to,.
E
B
D
F
B
B
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
okay,,
lisa
wuycheck:,
so
maria
cole:
is
that..
Tell
you
what?
yeah,,
that's
great,
and
we'll,
we'll
bring
that
back
to
chris
marie.
I'll.
Also
articulate
your
position
on
this
with
chris..
Let's
know
what
you
decide.
yeah,.
I
think
I
think
if
I
could
take
one
less
pitch
to
get
the
money
out
as
quickly
as
possible..
I
think
the
groups
are
in
need
of
funding.
E
E
Lauren
click
(she/her),,
oac:
frankly,,
you
don't
even
have
to
have
a
threshold
score,,
but
it's
something
that
we
talked
about
a
lot,
and
then
we
said
that
we
would
talk
about
later
in
the
year..
So
the
threshold
score
for
twenty
twenty-two
for
this
year
was
seventy-five.
however,.
You
know
that
one
of
our
grantees
wasn't
above
that,
which
is
where
we
ran
into
this
question.
right?.
So.
E
E
E
Lauren
click
(she/her),
oac:
baseline
for
discussion,
rate..
If
you
have
a
lot
of
applicants
that
are
not
reaching
high
scores,,
if
that's
um,,
you
know,,
if
you're,
finding
that
you're
having
a
lot
of
applicants
that
are
having
challenges
in
your
program.,
that's
really
useful
to
say..
You
know
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
applicants
that
are.
E
E
Lauren
click,
(she/her),
oac:.
The
other
piece
is
for
advocacy,,
so
we
can
say,
there's
a
gap
in
funding
from
the
grants
that
we
have
to
this
threshold
score,,
which
was
very
useful.
but
um!.
E
E
Lauren
click
(she/her),,
oac:
um..
We
had
it
this
year
at
seventy
five,
and
then
voted
essentially
against
it
for
one
case.,
but.
E
B
Lisa
wuycheck:,
without
really
knowing
how
the
new
branch
program
is
going
to
operate.,
but
it's
basically
a
practice
that
grants
use
when
you
have.
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
money
and
not
a
lot
of
applicants,
right?,
and
so
you
have
to..
You
know
you
have
to
make
some
decisions
on
what
qualifies..
I
think
we
have
the
reverse,
problem.
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
um,,
but
um!
there's
some
indicators
to
us
that
maybe
you
don't
need
this
anymore,
right?,
the
the
fact
that,.
You
know
there
was
one
score
that
was
lower.
and
you
talk
about
still
getting
it
in
there..
I
mean,
that's
actually
a
really
great
thing,,
because
you're
actually
talking
about
the
quality
of
the
application,,
not
just
the
number.
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
you
know..
I.
I
also
think
that
it
creates
extra
winners
and
losers..
I
mean,
there's
always
going
to
be
one
that
you
decide
to
apply
it,
don't.,
but
then
there's
this
other
line
of
that
you're
you're,
an
an
additional
luther
in
your
below
this
line.
in.
In
addition
to
not
getting
funding.
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
lisa,
wuycheck:
individually.
a
utility
right
is
that
we
have
the
one
through
eight
scoring
system
from
the
naa..
We
have
the
rubric.
um..
There
are
ways
for
you
to
get
at
like..
Is
this
valuable
or
not?
in
the
context
of
the
application,
without
this,,
maybe
being
an
arbitrary
addition
to
that.
B
B
B
D
B
B
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
did
anything
for
you,
bruce..
I
mean
it's
either
here
or
there,
right,
or
maybe
you
actively
disliked
it..
I
don't
know.
no,.
I
just
never
found
it
useful.
I
mean
we
all
voted
individually..
Our
folks
are
aggregated..
The
the
numbers
of
the
numbers
speak
for
themselves,
and
it's
dictated
by
how
much
money
we
have
to
give
out,
and
whoever
the
top
number
of
people
are
that
get.
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
um,
there's
a
line
that
says
we
can
fund
this
many
applications,.
He
added
another
line.
Saying,
this
minimum
score
means
you're
worthy
of
funding
in
the
opinion
of
the
so
it
you
know,.
If,
if
you
know
seventy-five
percent
of
the
total
is
that
line,?
So
if
it
was
one
hundred.
then,,
you
know,,
you
would
score
at
a
a
seventy-six
would
be
a
good
score
and
a
seventy-four.
would
be.
B
Lauren
click
(she/her),
oac:.
So
what
is
this??
What
do
we
look?
At?
that
community
projects??
So
the
threshold
is
one
hundred
and
thirty.
right.
yeah,
the
threshold
is
thirty,,
so
you'll
see
the
top
six
were
awarded
grants..
That's
what
we
had
funding
for
right,
six,
sixty
thousand.!
All
of
these
grants
merited
funding
according
to
your
threshold
score.,
but
we
didn't
have
enough
funding
for
them,.
E
lisa
wuycheck:,
just
two.,
so
there's
just
two
more..
This
is
last
year,,
so
it's
quite
right,,
so
I
you
know..
I
guess
the
way
I
look
at
it
is
that
all
these
other
places
didn't
get
a
granted..
I
don't
care
about
the
threshold.,
it's
like
here's.
All
these
organizations
that
didn't
get
many
money,
and
they've
never
felt
good
about,
like
the
humiliation..
I
I
have
not
personally
found
it
useful..
I
I
have
the
same.
D
Lisa
wuycheck:
thought
is,,
you
know
it
all
goes
into
a
system,
and
it
never
gets
spit
out,
and.
D
Lisa
wuycheck:
and
we
never
get
down
to
the
to
the
the
line
anyway,
on
most
of
the
grant
decisions..
But
I
do
agree
with
your
point
that
if
it
can
be
useful
to
to
make
an
argument
to
whoever
funds
us.
D
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
G
Lisa
wuycheck:,
and
I
think
it
would
be
helpful,
like
I
know
the
as
a
liaison.
B
E
E
B
D
Lisa
wuycheck:
okay,,
lisa
wuycheck:,
I
just
I
I
mean
it.,
it
does
it?
it's
okay.,
it's
fine..
I
was
being
a
little
bit
fluent.,
but
yeah,.
It's
again.
it..
How
useful
is
it
when
you
are
sitting
down
and
putting
together
a
score,,
and
you
come
up
with
a
final
score,
and
you,
you're
about
to
hits.?
Do
you
really
think
is
this
above
the
threshold
or
not,.
B
B
B
Lisa
wuycheck:,
but
you
know
seventy-five
is
good..
It
means
that
it's
overwhelmingly
a
positive
score.
is
it
more
of
a
suggestion.
That,
like
a
a
hard
and
fast
line,
because
we
did.
yeah,.
We
did
it
for
one
that
was
below
it,
anyways.
yeah,
exactly.
yeah.,
so
you
you..
You
have
some
flexibility
with
it,,
but
it
you
are
sending
a
message.
B
B
E
E
Lauren
click
(she/her),
oac:.
This
was
quite
a
while
ago,,
so
these
were
funded
through
arpa,
and
they
were
funded
to
our
office
sponsorship
program,,
which
is
why
you're
not
reviewing
the
reports,
and
why
you
didn't
see
an
application.
um!.
These
were
to
help
defray
the
cost
of
covid
testing
and
cleaning
and
protection
and
vaccines,
vaccines.
E
Lauren
click
(she/her),,
oac:
um!.
The
funds
were
distributed
equally
to
eligible
applicants.,
so
we
ended,
up
giving
out
three
thousand
five
hundred
and
seventy-two
dollars
to
each
grantee,
or
just
each
awardy,,
because
they
it
like..
If
you
were
eligible,
and
you
applied
in
the
time
period,,
then
you
received
funding
right?,
I'm
not
going
to
read
the
list
of
awardees,,
but
they
were
some
of
our.
E
E
E
Lauren
click
(she/her),
oac:.
They
use
the
funds
for
what
they
applied
for
testing
materials,
staff
to
check
records,,
masks,,
sanitation,
projects,,
filtration
systems.,
one
of
the
things
that
came
up
in
some
of
the
theater
um,.
E
Lauren
click
(she/her),
oac:,
like
the
theater
guild
requirements,,
was
to
have
filtration
systems
like
some
of
the
organizations
really
needed
these
funds
to
cover
things
that
they
absolutely
needed
by
the
unions
of
music
and
theatre
organizations
for
their
for
their
performances..
So
it
was
really
really
important
to
a
lot
of
the
organizations
that
received
funding.
and
just
a
couple
of
quotes..
I
thought
we're
very
inspiring.
um,.
E
E
Lauren
click,
(she/her),
oac:.
If
any
of
you
have
questions
about
those
reports,,
if
you
want
to
read
the
reports,,
I'm
more
than
happy
to
send
them
to
you,,
but
it's
just
a
little
background.
update
on
one
of
our
sponsorships.
That
was
fairly
large,.
So
we
wanted
to
let
you
know
how
it
went..
That's
it.,.
E
Lisa
wuycheck:
yeah,
thank
you,
lauren.,
it
was..
It
was
a
very
timely
kind
of
an
event.
obvious
grant.
um,
obviously.,
but
what
I
thought
was
cool
was
that
it
wasn't
just
her
gloves
and
stuff..
It
was
also
for
live
streaming,,
which
was,
I
think,
held
out
a
lot
of
people..
It's
just
a
very
cool
thing
that
we
were
able
to
offer.
B
Lisa
wuycheck:
thank
you,
lauren.
any
comments
before
we
close
out
the
meeting.