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It
away
Amy
good
evening
Council,
so
this
is
our
annual
revenue
and
budget
update
the
agenda
for
tonight.
I'll
be
talking
about
our
citywide
needs,
both
our
one-time
funding
options.
What
we're
calling
your
available
tool
box
for
funding
opportunities
and
ongoing
funding
Shen's,
and
then
this
year
staff
underwent
an
exercise
to
really
identify
all
of
the
major
unfunded
projects
and
priorities
that
we
have
going
on
in
the
city
to
hopefully
set
context.
G
As
we
begin
the
development
of
the
2020
budget,
then
my
colleague
Joel
Wagner,
will
be
taking
over
with
the
2018
year-end
picture,
looking
strongly
at
the
sales
and
use
tax
and
projections
for
2019
through
2025
retail
sales.
Tax
projections
based
upon
some
consultant
work
that
we
underwent
last
year
so
jumping
into
the
citywide
needs.
I
just
wanted
to
set
context
of
the
analysis
that
we
did
so
largely.
G
We
identified
projects
that
were
over
1
million
dollars,
so
we
know
that
there
are
several
needs
that
are
under
1
million
dollars,
but
wanted
to
really
identify
those
that
are
larger
and
unfunded.
We
also
excluded
the
Enterprise
Fund,
so
our
water
utility
funds,
the
purpose
of
the
analysis,
was
to
align
our
long-term
financial
plan.
G
We
can't
just
major
categories
of
what
these
unfunded
projects
fall
under.
We
really
looked
at
investment
into
critical
facilities.
We
have
a
lot
of
technology,
that's
about
approaching
or
just
at
the
end
of
its
lifecycle.
Also,
we
know
that
we've
had
increased
community
demand
in
a
lot
of
our
services
and
that
climate
initiatives
for
the
city
of
Boulder
is
critical.
G
We
also
grouped
projects
into
improvements
of
public
spaces
and
identify
new
facility
businesses
or
service
opportunities
that
were
not
currently
engaged
in
and
then
finally
grouped
categories
into
the
workforce,
recruitment
and
retention,
so
we're
gonna
dive
into
again
one-time
funding
sources
and
ongoing
funding
sources.
So
it
didn't
think
of
this
is
your
tool
box,
one-time
funding
sources
could
be
anything
between
utilizing
2018,
ending
fund
balance,
we'll
dive
into
that
a
little
bit
more
reducing
2019
and
beyond
reserves
or
utilizing
2019
revenues
in
excess
of
expenses,
which
again
would
be
our
2019
ending
fund
balance.
G
From
my
ongoing
perspective,
tools
include
reducing
services,
extending
inspiring
taxes,
and/or
implementing
new
taxes,
and
also
we
have
an
opportunity
to
look
at
this
year.
Policy
change
on
recreational
marijuana
revenue,
a
large
portion
of
the
recreational
marijuana
revenue
is
considered
one-time
dollars
still
so
one-time
funding
options,
we're
going
to
dive
a
little
bit
more
into
reserves.
G
So
why
and
how
much
to
hold
in
general
fund
reserves.
Standard
practice
is
that
at
minimum
17
percent
is
a
good
baseline,
which
is
about
two
months,
but
then
we
also
want
to
look
at
our
risks.
Some
of
our
risks
include
vulnerability
to
extreme
events
and
public
safety
concerns.
So
in
the
city
of
Boulder,
we
do
have
risks
with
both
nature,
fire
and
flooding,
but
also
we're
a
university
town
that
increases
our
risk
reserves
balance
out
when
revenue
sources,
and/or
expenses
may
be
unstable.
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They
can
also
provide
leverage
or
match
to
any
grant
opportunities,
and
then,
additionally,
as
many
of
you
know
that
the
general
fund
provides
support
to
other
funds,
including
the
recreational
activity
fund,
so
we
really
want
to
look
at
how
other
funds
are
dependent
on
the
general
fund
and
then
finally,
the
rating
agencies
use
a
reserve
amount
when
determining
bond
ratings
as
one
of
the
factors
we
put
this
up
last
year.
But
this
is
just
a
comparison
to
our
front.
G
Ranged
communities
demonstrating
that
at
our
current
2019
goal
of
19%
we're
just
behind
Fort
Collins
in
Denver,
with
the
intention
still
to
reach
20%
by
2020,
there's
also
different
best
practices.
When
you
look
at
funds
that
are
besides
the
general
fund,
so
special
revenue
funds,
you
really
want
to
balance
out
whether
there's
more
operating
or
capital
dollars
in
that
fund
operating
of
higher
staffing
costs,
and
so
you
want
to
hold
more
in
reserves,
because
capital
improvements
could
be
delayed
if
needed.
G
Enterprise
funds,
like
our
water
utilities,
their
revenue,
depend
on
customer,
behavior
and
external
factors,
so
whether
for
example,
and
also
the
cost
of
loss
of
service
delivery
is
high,
and
so
you
want
to
make
sure
you
have
higher
reserves
and
those
funds
and
then
internal
service
funds,
while
are
intended
to
break-even.
We
do
it's
responsible
to
accumulate
reserves
for
the
replacement
of
those
assets,
so
they
do
have
reserves
solely
for
the
purpose
of
replacing
critical
assets.
H
G
F
G
You
could
just
have
more
special
events
in
your
community
hosted
there
right
football
games
a
campus,
and
then
you
just
have
an
influx
of
population
and
certain
times
right,
so
a
real
high
change
that
requires
more
services.
Okay,
thank
you,
yeah
great,
so
that
wraps
up
our
one
time
kind
of
tool
box
going
on
to
unfunny
options,
we're
gonna
dive
into
Texas,
so
specifically
property
tax
and
sales
and
use
tax.
G
G
Again,
these
are
all
planned
shifts
that
were
approved
by
the
voters
in
the
ballot
language.
The
colors
demonstrate
the
general
fund
and
gray
community
culture
safety
tax.
In
orange,
the
points
you
5
cent
sales
tax,
which
is
dedicated
to
Parks
and
Recreation
and
gray,
open
space
and
green
and
transportation
at
the
top,
and
that
maroon
color.
G
So,
property
tax.
Similarly,
for
every
dollar
collected,
it's
always
important
reminded
that
the
city
only
receives
about
14
cents
to
that
dollar.
A
large
portion
of
it
goes
to
the
county
in
the
schools
and
then
of
that
the
general
fund
receives
about
some
80
percent
of
the
dollars,
but
we
do
have
some
dedicated
funds
that
receive
a
property
tax
dollars,
including
the
Community
Housing
Assistance,
Program,
Parks
and
Recreation,
and
the
library
fund,
so
I'm
going
to
spend
a
minute
explaining
how
and
who
calculates
the
property
taxes.
G
So
you
take
your
actual
value
of
your
property,
which
is
determined
by
the
counting
using
the
market
rate
approach
and
then
in
this
approach,
it's
based
on
analysis
of
comparable
sales.
So
in
2019,
the
taxes
that
are
paid
in
2020
are
based
upon
a
valuation
that
uses
comparable
sales
from
all
of
2017
and
half
of
2018.
G
So,
essentially,
there's
a
lag
when
you
go
to
calculate
your
value
of
your
property
and
when
you
look
at
the
assessment
rate
or
the
percent
of
property
value,
that's
subject
to
the
taxation
in
each
odd
number
year,
the
residential
rate
is
subject
to
change
by
the
Colorado
Legislature
as
prescribed
by
the
Gallagher
amendment.
And
then
the
change
in
that
percentage
maintains
the
present
balance
of
the
tax
burden
between
residential
and
all
other
taxpayers.
And
that's
how
you
come
up
with
your
assessed
value
or
the
value
that
you're
gonna
pay
on
the
millage.
B
I
B
C
What
I
think
is
if
you
wanted
to
dedicate
the
part
of
the
nine
cents,
not
the
one
cent
that's
already
dedicated
to
the
library
but
part
of
the
nine
cents
of
that.
If
you
wanted
that
to
go
exclusively
to
the
library,
you
could
put
it
to
a
vote
or
you
could
do
it
in
the
budget
and
if
you
do
it
in
the
budget,
then
every
year
you
could
change
it.
But
if
you
put
it
to
a
vote
then
it
would
be
dedicated
in
that
fashion.
Yeah,
I.
B
C
B
F
C
F
C
D
G
So
Dola
or
the
department
of
local
affairs,
let
me
get
six
I
actually
have
at
the
very
bottom.
They
do
an
initial
calculation
at
the
end
of
each
year
and
so
based
upon
by
the
classes
so
by
residential
or
non-residential,
and
this
came
out
in
December
and
I
believe
I
provided
a
link
in
the
memo,
but
based
upon
initial
calculations.
They
estimated
that
residential
may
increase
up
to
15%
and
commercial
up
to
15%,
but
they
also
anticipate
that
the
residential
assessment
rate
may
decrease
again.
Quinn
stantly.
D
G
So
I
wanted
to
just
remind
everyone
with
the
general
fund
supports
because
they
do
do
several
departments
that
don't
have
any
dedicated
funding
source,
including
police
and
fire,
and
the
internal
service
departments,
both
of
those
kind
of
in
the
yellow,
shading
and
Human
Services
Finance
and
I
team.
We're
showing
you
this,
because
we're
gonna
set
up
two
different
slides
that
does
a
municipal
comparison
of
like
services,
so
just
wanted
to
remind
everyone
what
the
general
fund
does
support.
G
So
first,
we
wanted
to
compare
municipal
sales
tax
rates.
So
what
you'll
see
here
is
what
the
general
fund
portion
is.
You'll
notice
that
the
general
fund
portion
compared
to
other
communities
is
relatively
low
in
the
second-lowest
just
behind
Longmont,
but
when
you
start
to
stack
up
other
dedicated
sales
tax
rates
like
open
space
here,
Parks
and
Recreation
Public,
Safety
transportation,.
G
Capital
improvements
or
community
projects
and
historic
preservation,
you'll
notice
that
we
do
keep
up
to
probably
the
second
highest
rate.
At
that
point,
when
you
add
in
the
state
rate
RTD
which
Fort
Collins
doesn't
have
sales
tax
rate
for
the
scientific
and
cultural
facilities,
district
which
again
Fort
Collins,
doesn't
have
a
tax
for
and
the
county,
we
do
end
up
with
one
of
the
highest
of
these
municipal
comparisons.
G
So
looking
at
then
property
tax,
this
is
the
city
mill
levy.
We
have
one
of
the
higher
rates,
but
is
important
to
note
that
the
city
mill
supports,
like
we
just
showed
you
both
the
general
fund,
as
well
as
other
special
revenue
sources,
but
other
communities
provide
some
of
the
general
fund
services
that
we
provide
through
districts.
This
is
a
Parks
and
Recreation
District,
Fire
District
in
those
communities,
library,
district
and
then
a
small
bond.
So
this
is
really
where
we
would
pause
and
say
this
is
kind
of
what
typical
municipal
services
are
provided.
G
B
G
G
A
large
portion
goes
to
the
general
fund
with
some
smaller
pieces,
but
you
are
correct.
It
does
encompass
the
total
Silla
City
Miller
rate.
So
we
add
on
other
districts,
which
are
typically
water
districts,
which
is
small
portion.
But
then
we
add
on
schools
and
counties
and
you'll
see
that
Boulder
is
the
third
lowest
overall,
when
looking
at
those
municipal
comparisons.
G
So
again,
as
a
reminder,
when
we
start
talking
about
the
actual
unfunded
priorities,
you
have
kind
of
two
sets
of
toolboxes
within
one
time
funding
sources.
We
anticipate
that
utilizing
the
20
eighteen
ending
fund
balance
is
roughly
fourteen
million
dollars
again.
These
are
all
preliminary,
but
to
give
the
order
of
magnitude.
D
G
Okay,
jumping
into
the
unfunded
priorities.
Again,
these
are
our
criteria
for
projects.
I
are
categorized,
I
won't
repeat
them
all,
but
you'll
see
them
show
up
when
we
talk
about
the
various
projects,
so
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
talking
about
one-time
and
ongoing
and
you'll
see
in
the
presentation,
we
identified
a
proposal
to
fund
someone
on
time,
one-time
priorities
listed
in
that
green,
but
we'll
need
to
use
utilize
various
tools
if
we
need
or
want
to
fund
the
other
projects.
G
So
you
have
on
your
table
and
in
the
packet
attachment
a
I
figured,
it
might
be
easier
to
see
it
printed
out,
but
more
detail
of
each
project
is
listed
on
there.
If
you
want
a
deep
description,
so
investment
in
critical
facilities
or
things
like
Fire
Station,
three
relocation
or
Alpine
balsam
hospital
deconstruction,
as
well
as
some
critical
deficiencies
within
the
fire
stations
themselves.
G
We
do
have
several
technologies
that
are
coming
up
for
the
end
of
life
cycle
replacement,
including
the
records
management
system
both
for
fire
and
the
Muni
Cort
software
within
kind
of
a
new
business
or
service
opportunities.
This
idea
of
middle-income
housing,
substitution
and
improvement
in
public
spaces
would
be
long
scarred
improvements
and
within
workforce
recruitment
and
retention.
We
have
the
conversation
around
living
wage
increases.
The
city
is
engaging
in
a
compensation,
parity
and
employee
retention
study
again
unknown
cost.
J
It's
a
question
about
them.
You
have
several
items
that
are
kind
of
system
replacement
system,
upgrades
management
systems,
software
replacement-
though
don't
we
amortize
for
that,
don't
we
have
a
sinking
from
that?
Don't
we
plan
for
obsolescence
and
renewal,
or
is
this
over
and
above
what
we
budgeted
for
a.
G
Little
bit
so
as
technology
has
changed
and
needs
have
shifted.
Some
of
these
are
higher
costs
and
anticipated
in
the
replacement
funds,
and
then
I
think
it's
just
similar
to
what
we
saw
in
the
community
culture
safety
tax
that
for
a
while,
we
weren't
putting
away
those
funding
sources
for
annual
replacements,
so
just
getting
them
back
on
that
cycle
so
to
be
replaced
and
then
get
them
on
a
cycle
where
we
are
proactive
and
don't
have
to
come
in
a
big
lump
sum.
Okay,.
J
G
J
D
I
just
have
to
wait,
and
since
this
is
my
business
professional
business,
but
software
generally
is
an
operating
cost.
These
days
from
the
Brotherhood,
then
a
capital
costs
or
surprises
me
to
see
millions
of
dollars
in
capital.
I
know
that's
an
older
model,
but
I
think
I'd
hope
we
could
look
towards
using
some
new
approaches
for
software
that
don't
hit
us
with
hard
to
fund
capital
projects.
G
All
right
so
now
we're
looking
at
breaking
those
projects,
not
by
the
categories,
but
into
one
time
an
ongoing,
and
so,
as
I
mentioned,
we
have
a
proposed
funding
mechanism.
That's
the
green
portion.
That
was
a
small
piece,
so
we
are
proposing
exhausting
at
2018
excess
fund
balance
to
the
tune
about
fourteen
million
dollars
to
help
fund
the
hospital
deconstruction,
the
fire
station
three
construction
and
then
replacement
the
boulder
fire
record
records
management
system.
Some.
B
G
Next
to
fund
that
total
is
utilizing
one-time
dollars
for
the
2020
budget,
both
for
the
Alpine
balsam
in
the
hospital
site
and
then
finally,
to
cover
the
remaining
gap.
We
do
have
some
general
fund
dollars
that
we
anticipate
it
would
be
needed
for
fire
station
three,
but
we
didn't
specifically
allocate
through
the
2019
but
or
we
didn't
identify
through
the
2019
budget
for
fire
station
three.
So
those
three
tools
combined
equal
the
needed
dollars
so.
F
F
C
F
Then
I
have
another
question:
if
my
understanding
is
right
in
terms
of
residential
properties,
usually
that
cost
two
hundred
and
fifty
three
hundred
dollars
a
square
foot
in
this
fire
station,
it's
being
estimated
that
it's
between
seven
and
eight
hundred
dollars
a
score.
How
do
we
get
to
that
number.
K
Good
evening
Council,
my
caller
I
was
a
fire
chief,
so
fam
does
the
numbers
for
us,
but
for
the
most
part,
the
reason
it
is
so
expensive.
Besides
the
fact
that,
at
this
point
in
time,
getting
construction
contracts
for
cheap
is
not
easy
in
the
Denver
metro
region.
Fire
stations
themselves,
though,
are
pretty
complicated,
more
complicated
and
you
would
imagine
would
be
built,
especially
because
we're
talking
about
large
trucks
being
housed
inside
the
sleeping
facilities
decontamination.
K
The
way
the
air
is
filtered
in
the
stations
because
of
the
EMS
and
all
the
different
things
they
do.
The
fire
keep
their
their
gear,
separate
decontaminate
in
different
places,
and
so
all
those
little
configurations
create
a
complexity
of
building
that
that
actually
ramps
up
the
cost
we
were
originally
thinking
was
gonna,
be
around
five
to
six
hundred
dollars
a
square
foot
and
after
talking
with
fam,
their
experience
actually
suggests
that
we
go
higher
than
that
to
be
safe.
K
K
L
Came
up
to
the
table,
Michelle,
crane
city
facilities,
design
and
construction
manager,
so
another
potential
key
distinction
and
what
you're
talking
about
with
300
dollars
a
square
foot
a
lot
of
times.
People
talk
about
just
construction
cost
which
can
be
less
around
three
hundred
dollars,
a
square
foot,
the
budgets
that
we
put
together,
what
we
call
owners
budgets.
L
So
they
include
all
of
the
soft
costs
all
of
the
general
conditions,
all
of
the
permitting
fees,
and
that
many
times
can
get
you
to
double
the
cost
and
then
also
with
the
challenge
we've
had
with
getting
land
and
when
we're
gonna
start
construction.
There's
escalation
in
there
and
we're
seeing
really
big
amounts
of
escalation
over
years
and
by
the
time
we
actually
get
to
bid
likely
were
a
couple
years
out
from
now
and
so
escalation
over
a
couple
years.
This
is
reasonable,
so
we
don't
come
back
again
in
under
budget.
J
C
We're
thinking
about
a
way
to
do
that.
One
of
the
other
thoughts,
though,
is
that
part
of
the
land
might
be
used
for
affordable
housing,
and
that
would
be
our
sort
of
donation
to
the
to
the
affordable
housing
ability
or
whatever
developer
it
was
so
we
haven't
decided
yet.
But
yes,
there
is
excess
land
and
we
could
monetize
it
or
we
could
focus
and.
B
B
M
Our
Director
of
Public
Works
for
utility,
say
didn't
want
to
clarify
we're
talking
about
fire
station
in
the
Boulder
Creek
floodplain,
the
flooding
on
Boulder
Creek
in
2013
was
talked
about
as
being
in
the
30
year
event
versus
some
other
parts
of
town
that
had
closer
to
100
year
events,
so
the
flooding
experience
there
in
2013
would
not
be
indicative.
What
we'd
expect
in
a
100-year
floodplain
for
kind
of
for
context,
home
depot
is
elevated
to
be
out
of
the
floodplain.
So
that's
more
of
the
depth
of
water.
We're
talking
about
there
can.
D
M
M
F
D
If
I
can
just
finish
out
that
here,
so
the
I
totally
get
that
we
would
not.
We
don't
want
a
fire
station
where
that
current
fire
station
is,
but
not
tonight,
but
I'd
be
interested
in
hearing
what
the
thoughts
are
on
future
use
of
that,
whether
it
becomes
part
of
scott
carpenter
park
or
if
it's
in
a
flood
area
where
you
could
do
some
other
non-critical
uses
so
anyway.
If
we
could
just
get
some
more
information
about
that,
that'd
be
helpful,
so
Mary.
E
Yeah
I
Jeff
don't
go
away,
so
we
often
get
development
proposal
site
reviews
that
include
development
in
the
hundred-year
plane
or
we
look
at
proposals
and
we're
reassured
that
it
can
be
built
up
to
get
out
of
the
hundred-year
plane
floodplain.
What's
the
difference
between
those
proposals
and
the
fire
station
I,
don't.
M
Have
a
map
in
front
of
me,
but
generally
what
you
would
and
I'm
assuming
it
may
be
also
in
the
I'm
sorry.
So
if
it
was
just
in
the
hundred
year,
flood
plain
there
are
options
to
elevate
for
residential
uses
or
to
flood
proof
for
non-residential
uses.
My
guess
without
having
a
map
in
front
of
me,
is
that
it's
either
in
the
conveyance
tone,
in
which
case
you
can
add
things
that
would
make
water
deeper
for
someone
else
or
it's
in
the
high
hazard
zone,
which
means
the
water
around.
M
It
is
fast
or
deep
enough
that
it
would
lead
someone
away
so
I'm
speculate
that
it
is
it's
probably
an
one
or
both
of
those,
because
through
there
there's
water
in
Arapaho,
that's
trying
to
get
back
to
the
creek
again,
it's
actually.
If
we're
saying
it's
ten
feet
deep,
it
would
definitely
be
in
the
high
hazard
zone.
M
M
You,
but
you
can
and
in
a
hazard
zone,
have
impassive
recreational
uses.
It's
you
know
you
don't
want
parking,
because
cars
are
gonna,
float
away.
You
don't
want
structures,
you
don't
want
people
taking
shelter
there,
but
in
terms
of
a
passive
park,
type
use
where
people
are
gonna
be
ambulatory
unaware
that
that's
potentially
used
for
this.
B
There
I
had
one
other
question
before
we
move
on,
though
Jim
you
talked
about.
The
cost
of
the
land
was
nine
million
and
we're
expecting
four
or
five.
So
that's
about
four
and
a
half
million
dollars
and
the
Delta
is
seven
and
a
half.
So
is
the
remaining
three
million
dollars
for
increased
construction
costs
or
I
believe.
A
E
Gonna
move
away
from
fire
station
number
three
specifically,
but
I
did
want
to
ask
a
question
about
the
excess
fund
balance
I,
don't
recall
in
past
years,
seeing
that
amount
laid
out
as
to
what
it's
going
to
be
used
for.
So
I
was
curious
to
know
what
it's
been
in
the
past
and
what
it's
been
used
for.
Yeah.
G
It's
a
great
question
and
I
do
want
to
explain
what
excess
fund
balance
does
mean,
because
we
often
talk
about
fund
balance
and
reserves,
so
excess
fund
balance.
Is
you
take
your
revenues?
Less
your
expenses,
less
your
reserves,
so
we're
talking
our
19
percent
reserve
goal
and
that's
what
we
call
excess
fund
balance.
So
it's
really
those
dollars
that
are
undead,
ik,
ated
and
oftentimes
excess
fund
balance
is
used
to
cover
our
adjustment
base
processes.
G
So
whatever
was
left
over
from
last
year
gets
rebooted
during
the
adjustment
base
process
because
that's
one-time
dollars
and
ATVs
are
largely
one-time
adjustments
to
the
budget
and
then
sometimes
we
do
intentionally
budget
to
use
that
as
a
one-time
funding
source,
when
we
don't
have
additional
one-time
dollars
available.
So
in
the
2019
budget
we
did
see
a
draw
from
that,
but
decrease
between
18
and
19.
So
it's
for
one-time
items.
E
H
Following
up
on
that,
last
year,
we
had
the
fourteen
million
excess
property
tax.
Is
that
if
my
memory
serves
and
I
wondered
where
and
I
asked
at
the
time
during
the
budget
process,
where
that
was
going,
would
that
go
into
something
like
this
as
well?
I
mean
it
was
over
and
above
because
of
the
new
assessments
yeah.
G
So
you're
talking
through
the
2018
budget
process,
how
assessment
values
were
you
know
a
lot
higher
than
what
we
had
projected,
which
is
our
typical
five
percent
increase,
and
so
a
lot
of
the
property
tax
increase
dollars
if
I'm,
recalling
correctly,
were
utilized
for
ongoing
items,
and
so
some
of
this
support
of
the
general
is
developing
the
general
fund
capital
program
to
be
an
ongoing
capital
dollar
amount.
We
also
used
it
for
several
human
service.
G
N
D
G
E
Sure
so
so
that
does
raise
another
question
about
the
general
fund
capital
fund
that
the
city's
been
trying
to
grow
over
the
last
few
years.
Does
that
mean
because
it's
gonna
be
totally
expended
this
year,
that
the
excess
fund
balance?
Does
that
mean
that
there
will
be
no
money
going
into
that
capital.
G
Fund
nope,
the
plans
is
in
our
ongoing
I'm
gonna
switch
slides,
real
quick
because
I
hold
it
up
there,
so
we
do
have
a
proposal
like
I
said
to
allocate
some
of
those
dollars
that
weren't
previously
identified
to
the
fire
station.
But
here's
what
we've
planned
for
and
have
budgeted
for
our
general
fund
capital
dollars.
The
goal
was
to
start
out
kind
of
around
3%
and
build
up
to
5%
by
I.
Think
we'd
do
that
by
2023.
So
that's
already
in
the
budget.
G
So
if
we
were
to
utilize
the
excess
fund
balance,
we
still
have
this
already
budgeted.
So
we
want
to
be
taking
away
from
general
fund
capital.
I
do
want
to
remind
everyone
that
we
have
exhausted
a
lot
of
the
general
fund
capital
dollars
on
two
major
projects,
that
being
the
Hogan
Lane
Hogan
land
purchase,
repayment
to
the
owners
and
then
broadband
so
you'll
see
in
the
Box.
Those
two
general
fund
capital
dollars
are
what
I'm
proposing
for
fire
station
land
overage
after
that
in
2021.
F
F
G
Okay,
so
we
identified
these
as
proposed
funding
sources,
but
when
looking
at
some
of
our
unfunded
ongoing
dollars,
these
are
the
types
of
projects
that
we're
talking
about
and
unfunded
one-time
dollars.
These
would
be
the
types
of
projects
that
we
would
be
talking
about.
More
than
itial
cost
them
just
a
pause
here
and
let
you
take
a
look
at
the
list.
B
So
just
make
sure
that
I
understand
the
potential
and
we
haven't
talked
about
it
yet,
but
the
potential
to
shift
the
marijuana
dollars
to
ongoing
would
mean
that
we
could
apply
those
to
the
unfunded
ongoing
dollars
and
if
we
leave
them
in
one
time,
then
we
can
fund
the
other
lists
with
that
correct.
Okay,.
D
G
So
the
part
of
the
radio
services
infrastructure
is
to
include
ongoing
dollars
for
the
replacements,
similar
to
what
Bob
brought
up
for
the
software
replacements.
In
the
past,
we
weren't
putting
away
as
much
for
the
ongoing
replacement
of
it,
and
it
is
multi
million
dollars
when
it
does
come
time
for
which.
J
Things
I
notice:
his
son
gets
this
line
12
the
sheet
that
you
put
on
her
table
here.
You've
got
the
middle
income
housing
subsidize
a
ssin
three
million
dollars
ongoing
nest
included
in
that
16
million
ongoing
then
find
a
dollar
correct,
and
is
that
there
must
be
more
than
just
the
Dom
penis.
This
is
program,
that's
more
broadly
for
a
lot
of
types
of
middle-income,
I.
Believe.
G
J
B
I
was
gonna
say
in
addition,
we're
talking
about
a
pilot
stage
first
rather
than
we
don't
know
for
sure
if
it
will
be
ongoing
or
not
so,
and
the
last
thing
I'll
say
about
that,
because
I
agree
that
we
need
to
look
at.
This
is
there's
a
million
dollars
in
the
h2o
program.
That's
not
being
drawn
down
essentially
at
all,
and
so
there
was
conversations
about
using
the
h2o
dollars
as
the
starting
point
for
a
pilot.
So
anyway,
yeah.
G
And
to
be
fair,
when
talking
with
housing,
they
did
provide
a
range
of
anywhere
between
zero,
and
you
know,
five
million
or
however
big
we
wanted
to
put
the
program,
so
they
just
recommended
for
the
information
that
we
had
at
the
time
to
put
in
three
million
dollars.
All
these
numbers
are
preliminary
can
shift,
depending
on
choices
that
are
made
so.
J
That
kind
of
raises
I
guess
another
question
in
my
mind:
if,
if
middle-income
housing,
substation
was
zero
to
five
and
you
kind
of
put
in
three
as
a
swag
I,
guess
it
calls
into
question
what
are
these?
What
other
numbers
here
are
ranges,
in
other
words,
I,
think
the
next
thing
we
see
this.
This
is
just
midpoints
of
swags.
J
You
know
spike
one
spike
and
you're
just
kind
of
putting
the
numbers
and
then
you'll
probably
be
helpful
for
councils
to
see
those
ranges,
because
if
the
ranges
are
really
significant,
that
probably
means
there's
a
lack
of
precision
at
this
point
in
time,
because
it's
uncertain,
as
opposed
to
really
narrow
ranges
where
we
really
are
sure
that
this
particular
software
is
going
to
cost
seven
or
$15,000
will
be
the
biter
we
don't
so
that
would
be
helpful.
No,
no.
G
G
Technical
term,
but
a
lot
of
those
really
have
been
vetted
because
they
are
in
the
immediate
needs
they
have
been
in
master
plans.
They
have
been
in
unfunded
capital
dollars
and
staff
have
done
a
lot
of
the
project
planning
already.
But
to
give
comfort
to
the
fact,
I
certainly
can
provide
ranges
for
the
other
pieces.
I.
E
Have
a
question
about
the
transportation
expansion
that
5.72
million,
so
it
includes
the
buy
up
for
the
jump,
bound
and
hop
expansion,
so
I'm
curious,
yeah
at
11
and
I'm
curious
about
the
jump
and
the
hop
in
particular.
The
jump
is
one
that
goes
all
the
way
out
to
Lafayette
and
services
a
lot
of
the
county.
The
hop
is
something
that
really
services
the
university
to
a
large
extent,
so
I'm
wondering
if
that
5.72
considered
that
potentially
other
entities
could
contribute.
It's.
P
Kathleen
brekkie
transportation,
so
great
questions
there's
a
lot
of
different
services
within
that
line.
Item
that
are
kind
of
rolled
up
to
that
5.7.
So
the
by
ups
for
the
routes,
such
as
the
bound
in
the
jump,
would
help
augment
that
service
and
buy
back
the
higher
frequency
service
on
those
routes.
So
that
is
something
that's
operated
by
RTD,
and
so
we
do
a
we
look
to
do.
P
Those
cost
share
arrangements
with
them
on
the
hop
we
currently
do
partner
with
several
organizations
to
Co
fund
the
hop
so
that's
funded
through
the
city
and
also
the
Cu
students,
as
well
as
our
TD,
so
we're
very
open
to
partnerships
to
fund
all
of
the
current
transit
service
as
well
as
future.
So
we
would
look
to
leverage
these
dollars
as
much
as
possible
between
any
other
existing
or
new
partnerships.
I,
guess
it's
the
short
answer
so.
P
For
the
service
compared
to
the
long
jump
service,
which
is
the
regional
there's,
two
versions
of
the
the
jump,
and
so
this
we've
kind
of
called
the
short
jump
or
the
local
jump
would
be
Co,
funded
primarily
between
the
city
of
Boulder
and
RTD.
Certainly,
as
we
look
to
grow
the
regional
bus,
rapid
transit
service
on
state
highway,
7
all
the
way
out
from
Boulder
to
Brighton,
there
could
be
other
opportunities
to
Co
fund
that
expanded
service
over
time
as
well.
P
I,
don't
have
all
the
specific
Headley's
because
they
vary
by
the
different
times
of
day,
but
our
goal
is
to
get
the
high
frequency
like
10-minute
frequency
during
the
peak
hour
and
at
this
time
it's
back
basically
a
half
hour
service
on
the
jump
today.
So
we're
looking
to
try
and
get
that
back
to
be
the
higher
quality
higher
frequency
service.
So
again,
as
a
bridge
to
the
longer-term
more
high
performing
all
day
long
bus,
rapid
transit,
so
right.
P
Yes,
we
we
work
with
all
of
our
partners
to
expand
on
the
service
on
each
of
these
routes
and
again,
this
line
item
includes
more
than
just
the
jump
in
the
bound
I'll
give
an
example
for
a
grant
project
that
we
just
applied
for
through
the
dr.
cog,
sub-regional
tip
process
to
seek
funding
to
leverage
the
dollars
to
grow
the
Hopf
service.
So
that's
looking
favor
favorable
for
the
Hopf
service,
so
that
would
be
a
way
to
help
Co
fund.
These
needs
with
federal
grant
dollars
for
a
three-year.
F
P
D
So
and
I'll
know
quite
favorable
in
the
hapax
bench
we
got
preliminary
approval
from
from
the
county
subform.
So
it's
looking
very
good
for
that
that
hop
extension,
which
is
great
but
Kathleen,
just
want
to
ask
so
you're
talking
about
by
ups
with
RTD
I
thought
they
weren't
really
offering
this
right
now
because
of
like
driver
shortages
and
such
right.
B
I
have
a
question
about
spreading
some
of
these
expenses
out.
So
when
things
are
one-time
expenses,
but
we
don't
want
to
pay
it
all
at
once,
so
we
can
find
a
partner
who
will
accept
multiple
payments
over
multiple
years
to
spread
out
the
payment.
Is
there
a
way
to
have
that
represented,
because
these
are
all
shown
as
the
total
dollar
amounts
paid
all
at
once,
and
for
even
some
of
the
ones
that
are
up
in
green?
It
seems
like
those
are
gonna
accrue
over
time.
Yeah.
G
So,
even
if
you
know
that
the
projects
can
take
two
years,
if
you're
utilizing
the
same
contract
or
the
same
vendor,
for
you
know
construction
of
pieces,
you
must
have
those
dollars
upfront
and
so
that
poses
kind
of
a
timing
challenge,
even
though
we
know
that
we
will
roll
over
those
dollars
in
the
next
year.
So
in
some
instances
you
are
able
to
break
up
contracts
and
two
discrete
pieces,
and-
and
we
do
do
that
when
we
can
but
often
times
it
does-
require
a
large
up
friend.
Some.
E
And
to
follow
up
on
Sam's
question,
some
contracts
are
likely
more
flexible
than
others,
perhaps
and
so
I'm
thinking
of
like
the
longs
garden
conservation
easement.
That
seems
to
me
that
it's
something
that
could
be
worked
out
with
the
family
and
and
it
doesn't
require
that
kind
of
incumbent
depending.
G
It's
so
jumping
in
to
our
intermediate
needs,
which
is
really
looking
at
2021
to
2020,
for
our
investments
in
critical
facilities
is
a
pretty
long
list,
including
the
continuation
of
the
Alpine
balsam
for
the
land
remodel
and
some
fire
stations
relocations.
And
then
it's
important
to
note
that
those
two
asterisks
for
rental
space
is
if
the
pavilion
didn't
occur,
so
that
there
is
a
need
that
the
new
Briton
buildings
and
the
buildings
across
the
way
do
have
to
be
vacated.
G
So
our
options
are
to
remind
remodel
the
pavilion
or
find
rental
space
for
New
Britain,
so
did
want
to
point
that
out
with
in
the
end
of
life,
cycle
technology
or
enterprise,
resource
planning
system,
additional
dollars
are
needed.
This
is
our
munis
financial
and
HR
system
for
increase
in
community
demand.
F
About
this
North
Boulder
library,
master
plan
and
I
think
it's
like
something
like
3.5
million
operating
costs
and
part
of
the
problem
with
the
North
Boulder
of
library
is
that
since
95,
we've
actually
had
the
building
the
funds
for
the
building,
but
then
they've
gotten
sold
or
they've
gotten
traded
off
for
a
fire
station
or
different
things,
but
it
always
comes
down
to
well.
We
can
have
the
funds
for
the
building,
but
we
don't
have
operational
cost,
so
we
can't
build
a
North
Boulder
library.
F
Now
last
year
we
passed
a
tax
that
put
5
million
dollars.
I
think
it
was
a
round
that
towards
and/or
the
construction
of
the
North
Boulder
library,
so
when
I
saw
this
I
was
very
surprised.
So
now
we
have
the
money
for
the
building,
but
we
don't
have
the
money
for
the
operation
to
set
what
you're
telling
us
friendly.
F
That
can't
be
the
case
because
I
mean
I,
think
people
voted
thinking,
this
library
was
going
to
happen,
is
gonna
happen
and
to
have
unfunded
operating
dollars
is
not
acceptable.
So
maybe
we
need
to
look
at
this
general
fund
and
do
a
dedication
of
maybe
a
cent
from
our
general
fund
and
make
that
dedication
I.
J
Just
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
the
light
I'm
33
that
I
think
Lisa
was
talking
about.
It
says
three
points.
This
was
three
point:
six
million
dollars
ongoing
for
North
Boulder
library
is
that
3.6
million
over
the
course
of
those
four
budget
years
or
3.6
million
each
year.
I
can't
imagine
it's
gonna
cost
us
two
point:
six
million
dollars
to
run
the
north
from
the
library.
Q
F
D
J
Now
I'm
confused
because
it's
line
33
is
3.6
million
dollars,
but
it's
over
those
four
budget
years,
21
22,
23,
24,
so
roughly
call
it
$900,000
a
year
times.
Four
years
equals
three
point:
six
million
right.
So
then
Katie
are
other
items
above
that
also
over
the
four
budget
year.
So,
for
example,
the
line
right
above
that
which
is
on
a
previous
page
32
library
master
plan,
6.5
million-
is
that
6.5
million
per
year
or
6.5
million
over
four
budget
years
over.
J
E
J
G
This
is
what
we're
looking
at
and
again
we'll
help
break
out
largely
those
are
just
annual
costs,
aside
from
the
library
master
plan,
and
then
this
is
kind
of
where
that
overall
dollar
amount
for
intermediate
kind
of
spiked
to
marry
your
point.
So
when
we
look
at
72
million,
this
would
be
what
the
total
bond
payment
would
need
to
be.
But
really
it's
roughly
four
million
dollars
a
year
spread
over.
B
B
B
B
G
O
Cheryl
again,
I
can
speak
to
that.
So
our
capacity
we
have
a
law
related
to
our
capacity
that
relates
to
our
general
obligation
bonds.
But
if
you
have
a
revenue
source
that
you're
backing
those
bonds
with
it
doesn't
really
hit
that
limit.
So
really,
when
you
talk
about
capacity,
you
want
to
talk
about.
How
are
you
gonna
fund
the
debt
service
payments
and
then
also?
How
are
the
rating
agencies
going
to
review
the
level
of
debt
that
you
have
at
the
city?
O
F
D
I
could
just
throw
in
just
a
point
just
just
to
point
out.
These
are
some
very
large
numbers.
I
mean
these
projects.
Some
of
them
certainly
are
optional.
Right,
I
mean
they're,
not
AB.
Not
all
of
them
are
absolutely
critical
to
the
future
of
the
city.
I
will
also
point
out
that
some
of
them
are
one
or
the
other,
like
the
rental
space.
If
we
don't
do,
the
pavilion
is
up
there
and
the
ongoing,
but
if
we
did
the
pavilion,
we
only
have
to
pay
for
that,
and
not
the
other
thing.
G
J
J
Well,
maybe
that
was
those
were
very
examples.
The
library
master
plan,
the
number,
the
numbers
you
included
for
the
two
numbers
you
can
cleared
if
the
library
master
plan
to
come
up
to
thirty
point,
seven
million
or
those
that
the
vision
level
as
opposed
to
their
mid-level
or
their
maintain
service
level.
G
B
So,
but
this
is
above
and
beyond
the
maintained,
current
level
correct
right,
so
it
is
a
notch
up
from
the
maintain
current
level,
yeah
and
yeah
I
mean
they
think.
That's
also
an
interesting
question,
because
they
see
Pearl,
Street
Mall
refresh
in
there
right
and
that's
obviously
got
to
be
in
the
parks
master
plan.
But
I
would
have
a
question
of
how
Parks
has
rank
ordered
what
they
want
to
see
happen.
Whether
because
that's
like
a
CIP,
almost
right,
it's
like
we
need
this
capital
improvement
in
this
part.
B
J
To
be
clear,
nothing
up
here
has
been
committed
to,
in
other
words,
this
is,
these
are
all
things
that
we
could
do
incremental
to
what
we're
doing
today.
There
may
be
really
important
things
or
things
we
really
want
to
do,
but
we
haven't
committed
to
any
of
these
things
yet
so
write
down.
B
F
R
So
Christmas
check
interim
planning
director
I
can
answer
both
questions
because
they're
actually
the
same
question
so
when
we
refer
to
subsurface
infrastructure
and
surface
infrastructure.
That's
what
we're
referring
to
is
any
other
connections
through
the
site:
subsurface,
meaning
water
sewer.
All
that
sort
of
things
so,
depending
on
how
we
decide
to
partner
or
not
partner
with
housing
developers
for
the
kind
of
area
of
this
site
that
would
be
dedicated
to
housing
are
our
typical
practice
across
the
city
is
if
there
are
additional
new
roads
or
infrastructure
extensions.
R
Those
are
paid
for
by
that
private
development,
and
so
we
could
do
that
and
do
that
same
approach
with
that,
depending
on
on
how
we
decide
to
finance
how
much
of
it
is
for
affordable
housing.
There
are
some
trade-offs
that
we
would
need
to
make
for
make
on
that,
and
we
actually,
the
project
team,
is
examining
those
costs
and
helping
us
understand
what
might
be
the
best
business
decision
for
us
as
a
city
to
make
in
terms
of
how
that
infrastructure
might
get
funded
and.
R
We
would
look
at
it
similar
to
whatever
portion
of
that
site
is
going
to
be
dedicated
to
that
mixed-use.
Let's
say
that
north
east
corner
is
kind
of
that
flex
parcel
let's
say
any,
and
that
becomes
a
mixed-use
development,
whatever
infrastructure
is
that
appropriate
share
for
that
parcel.
That
property
would
then
share
in
that
that
development,
okay.
So
then.
B
We
have
a
number
here
for
the
sub
surface
and
surface
infrastructure
that
will
eventually
be
paid
back
likely
at
least
part
of
it
will
part
of
it
could
be
yeah
part
of
it.
So
that's
another
way
of
thinking
about
this.
That's
a
little
less
painful
men
than
the
sticker
shock
from
the
number,
because
we,
even
if
we
front
this
number,
which
I
assume
is
what's
being
talked
about,
would
you
front
it
or
would
you
wait
until
we
had
a
site
plan
review.
R
That's
actually
part
of
the
analysis
that
we're
working
on
right
now
is:
what's
the
trade-off
decisions
of,
should
we
front
it
and
build
all
the
infrastructure
essentially
have
pad
sites
ready
to
go
for
development,
or
do
we
want
to
time
that
infrastructure
with
the
timing
of
whatever
that
ultimate
development
will
be
and
that's
part
of
what
we're
working
on
putting
together
and
we'll
bring
at
the
June
4th
study
session?
Thank
you
like.
E
F
K
Great
question:
so
it's
hard
to
predict
what
we
would
find
in
what
we
wouldn't
we're
looking
even
now,
even
in
the
Cu
South
discussions,
which
will
have
an
impact
on
our
services,
we're
talking
about
what
shared
possibility
could
exist
there,
but
regardless
there's
there's
land,
that's
not
even
this
land
that
we
actually
got
for
station
three
wasn't
even
for
sale
when
we
first
actually
inquired
about
it.
So
it's
a
it's
a
tough
market
for
station
three
in
particular.
K
When
we
were
first
looking,
it
looked
realistic
at
about
four
and
a
half,
so
I
can't
really
say
we're
gonna
hit
it
perfectly,
but
I
think
it's
a.
What
we've
got
in
here
right
now
is
a
fairly
reasonable
estimate
for
land
and
construction
for
the
size
of
stations.
We
did
increase
the
land
acquisition
costs
so
for
all
of
the
subsequent
projects.
Because
of
the
experience
with
station
3
I,
don't
know
if
that
helps
or
not,
but
but
it
is
we,
it
isn't
going
to
be
easy
of
course,
but
we
aren't
waiting.
F
K
Wish
we
could
for
both
sides?
In
fact,
if
we
could
rebuild
on
on
all
of
the
sites
to
to
expand
what
we
need
for
those
particular
locations,
we
would
that's
that's
option
number
one.
Every
time
I'll
go
into
both
station
station.
2
is
a
great
location.
It's
it's
at
the
right
spot.
The
only
challenge
we
have
is
that
it
hits
right
on
to
the
main
arterial,
which
is
not
ideal
for
fire
station
access.
K
K
I
have
a
wildland
truck,
but
in
order
to
get
the
wildland
truck
out
of
the
station
when
something
hits
in
the
interface,
we
have
to
pull
out
the
big
truck
the
regular
truck,
get
it
out
of
the
way
and
then
move
the
wildland
truck
out
then
put
the
other
truck
back
in
the
bed.
Obviously,
that
causes
response
time
problems
for
us.
So
we
can't
expand
the
size
of
the
bay.
We
cannot
go
up.
We
can't
do
anything.
K
We
can't
even
respond
out
the
back
of
the
station
if
you,
if
you're
familiar
with
it,
there's
a
there's,
actually
an
access
that
goes
out
the
back,
but
we
run
into
a
problem
with
the
the
walkway
and
the
bike
path
right
there,
and
we
cannot
drive
out
the
back
and
onto
there
for
a
controlled
intersection
onto
onto
Broadway.
So
so
we
can't
use
the
back
side
of
the
station
for
response.
K
D
K
K
Understand
so
when
we
talked
with
planning,
that's
that's
I,
don't
we
have
somebody
from
planning
here
now,
but
but
when
we
discussed
the
option,
it
isn't
an
option
for
us
to
actually
change
the
roofline
on
that
structure
and
I.
Don't
know
if
it
I,
don't
think
it's
historical
overlay
I
think
it's
just
an
issue
of
being
able
to
go
up
at
that
location
station
for
as
a
house
is
maxed
out
on
the
lot
that
it
is
there's
nothing
we
can
actually
do
to
add
on
to
it
to
actually
add
a
unit
to
that
station.
B
H
H
B
It
seems
to
me,
like
the
only
and
media
I'm,
just
trying
to
make
buckets
right,
there's
stuff,
that
we
can
decide
in
the
longer
term,
by
two
and
four
or
finding
out
information.
Now,
but
three
we
really
have
to
deal
with
that's
right
in
front
of
us.
We
have
land
built
and
you
know
so
how
we're
gonna
so
I'm
just
trying
to
kind
of
use
our
time
wisely
so
that
we're
setting
ourselves
up
for
this
coming
budget
process
and
not
during
long
term
planning
and.
G
We're
diligently
taking
notes
as
I
hear
typing.
Behind
me,
the
plan
is
to
send
out
a
Vance
study.
Sessions
am
I,
like
we
did
after
study
sessions
tomorrow
for
your
packet
Thursday,
outlining
what
items
were
following
up
on
and
timeline.
Some
of
these
things
that
are
kind
of
more
informational
can
be
certainly
just
done
quicker
in
the
regular
study
session
summary
and
some
may
come
back
during
the
budget
process
to
depending
on
the
relevancy
to
it,.
F
So
line
item
number
19
has
is
about
the
open
space
campus
and
you
know
I
started
hearing
and
I,
don't
ever
maybe
I
missed
IP
or
something
but
I.
Don't
ever
really
remember
the
City
Council
ever
approving
the
twelve
million
dollar
campus
for
open
space
and
I,
don't
know
where
that
came
from
and
whose
is
that
supposed
to
come
out
of
open
space
funds.
The.
F
Think
when
people
voted
for
open
space,
they
were
thinking
about
building
a
campus,
so
I
guess
I'd
like
to
put
some
brakes
on
that
and
I
guess.
I
also
am
wondering:
why
are
we
rebuilding
or
having
everything
new
and
I've
been
out
to
the
cherryvale
campus?
A
lot
and
I
know
it's
somewhat
tight,
but
it's
a
cool
campus
and
so
I.
Don't
know
why
you
don't
we
don't
use
what
we're
what
we
have
why
we
have
to
rebuild
everything
and
why
we
don't
do
some
cost-effective,
just
expansion
of
our
current
facilities
so.
C
F
J
Yeah,
just
kind
of
follow
up,
I'm
Lisa's
point
just
now.
This
kind
of
feels
like
a
wish
list
of
everything
that
anyone
could
think
of
some
of
them
real
high
priorities
that
we're
probably
certainly
gonna,
do,
and
some
of
them
are
things
that
are
probably
way
down
on
the
list
that
we're
not
going
to
do
anytime
soon
or
maybe
never
do
as
Lisa
just
observed
so
I
think
the
next
time
we
see
this.
J
It
would
be
really
really
helpful
to
have
some
degrees
of
privatizations
I
know,
I,
think
on
that
capital
investment
committee,
that
you
pointed
me
to
Jamie
Beck
2011.
We
had
like
Hayes,
B's
and
C's,
or
something
like
that,
some
sort
of
categorization.
So
we
know
this
is
my
wish
list.
If
money
was
no
object,
we'd
like
to
do
this
versus
this
is
something
we
probably
should
do
sometime
the
next
five
or
ten
years.
First
is.
J
C
Been
in
my
view,
this
is
not
a
wish
list.
This
is
a
list
of
items
that
we
have
heard
from
a
border
Commission.
We
have
heard
from
council
members.
We
have
heard
from
the
community
of
things
that
people
truly
want
and
we
are
coming
to
you
to
say
we
can't
afford
all
of
this,
and
we
need
your
help
in
telling
us
which
ones
to
move
forward
with
and
and
so
there
are
plenty
of
wishlist
items
that
are
not
on
this
list.
C
These
are
things
that
some
important
person
in
the
city
has
really
made
an
effort
around.
So
the
open
space
campus.
When
you
say
the
word
campus,
it
sounds
like
it's
kind
of
highfalutin,
but
it
wasn't
the
intent
at
all.
The
intent
of
that
is
to
redevelop
the
old
cherryvale
site
so
that
it
works
for
open
space.
The
thought
was
possibly
it
could
be
a
community
room
out
there,
and
there
was
also
a
thought
about
the
viele
house,
which
is
on
the
corner
there,
that
that
could
possibly
be
an
open
space
Museum.
C
But
every
single
one
of
these
items
are
things
that
we
think
we
truly
need
or
want,
and
they
are
significant
items,
but
we
may
decide
you
may
decide
as
you
look
ahead
to
the
future
over
the
next
five
years.
Well,
no,
the
open
space
is
in
a
really
lovely
location
right
now
we
don't
need
to
do
that.
We're
asking
we're
asking
help
us
figure
out
what
it
is
you
want
to
do
in
the
next
five
to
seven
years.
Guess.
J
What
I
was
saying,
Jane,
maybe
not
articulately,
is
I,
don't
see
a
staff
recommendation
here,
I,
don't
doubt
that
somebody
somewhere
in
the
city
thinks
that
these
are
all
good
ideas.
But
what
I'd
like
to
hear
from
his
staff
is:
what
do
you
think
are
the
good
ideas?
In
other
words,
tell
us
what's
really
really
important
and
what's
kind
of
nice
to
have
and
what's
kind
of
like
we
probably
won't
do
and
I
don't
see
that
here.
J
B
Let
me
make
a
suggestion,
just
the
use
of
our
time.
I
think
these
intermediate
needs
ones.
We
should
probably
take
responsibility
for
asking
the
questions
that
we
want
about
them
on
hotline,
but
I,
don't
think
we're
gonna
be
making
necessarily
decisions
in
this
budget
cycle
that
are
gonna
impact,
those
and
what
we
need
to
make
a
decision
about
and
guide
staff
tonight.
B
G
B
S
Good
evening,
Council
Joel
Wagner
tax
and
special
projects
manager,
so
I'm
gonna,
run
through
these
really
briefly
and
we'll
focus
on
the
year-end
situations.
So
I
won't
get
into
all
the
definitions.
Business
use
tax
go
ahead
and
bring
up.
We
budgeted
a
base
for
this
of
272
million
dollars
for
the
ongoing
needs
for
the
2020
budget.
This
excuse
me
translates
to
about
ten
and
a
half
million
dollars
in
sales
tax.
S
You
can
see
that
increased
that
gap
between
the
green
and
the
blue
lines
there
is
is
your
one-time
needs
or
additional
fund
balance
go
ahead
and
go
to
the
next
one.
It's
important
to
point
out
that
the
2017
increased
that
peak
there
was
related
to
one
voluntary
disclosure,
one
voluntary
payment
by
one
business.
Adjusting
for
that
2017
use
tax
was
really
right
at
the
base
for
the
2020
budget.
Similarly,
construction
use
tax
started
out
during
the
Great
Recession
pretty
low
it's
recovered.
Since
then,
it's
bounced
around
a
little
bit.
S
The
important
thing
to
point
out
with
construction
use
tax
is
that
most
of
this
is
paid
when
an
individual
or
a
contractor
pulls
a
permit
with
the
city.
So,
by
the
time
that
you're
seeing
a
hole
in
the
ground
or
cranes
in
the
air,
this
this
revenue
has
already
been
received
and
booked
very
high-level
retail
sales.
You
can
see
we
took
this
time
scale
out
a
little
bit
further
since
the
recession.
S
We've
had
some
good
recovery
in
this
having
growth
in
the
2013's
to
fifteen
in
the
two
and
a
half
to
three
and
a
half
percent,
this
stalled
in
2017.
Let
it
recover
a
little
bit
in
2019
at
2.8
percent
when
we
show
retail
sales.
We
also
like
to
show
this
adjusted
for
the
cost
of
inflation.
We
call
this
the
buying
power
slide,
so
the
difference
between
the
blue
line
and
the
Green
Line
is
consumer
price
index,
so
it
the
inflation
cost.
S
So
this
just
shows
that,
as
that
gap
is
widening,
that
means
that
our
retail
sales
growth
larb,
sorry,
our
total
sales
and
use
tax
growth
has
grown
at
a
rate
that
has
oftentimes
not
matched
CPR,
not
ashed
inflation.
One
thing
I
will
point
out
on
this:
one
is
that
we're
using
consumer
price
index
and
as
you've
heard
from
others
throughout
the
night,
construction
costs
have
increased
significantly.
So
if
anything,
this
is
a
little
bit
under
underestimated
there.
S
Okay,
so
I'll
cruise
through
this
and
I'm
almost
done
so
you
today,
sales
and
use
tax
based
on
current
economic
activity,
increased
by
five
point,
two
million
dollars
or
three
point:
nine
percent.
If
we
include
audit
revenues,
that
was
a
six
point,
1
million
dollar
gain
or
four
point
five
percent.
Just
a
couple
of
highlights.
S
Business
use
tax,
which
was
actually
trending
in
the
20s
and
30s
percent
through
most
of
the
year,
ended
up
down
by
eight
percent,
and
this
is
due
to
that
one
large
Balan
voluntary
payment
that
I
discussed
a
little
bit
earlier.
Construction
use
track
use
tax,
did
end
quite
strong
at
a
31
percent
increase
or
$300.
S
We
spoke
about
these
trends
at
length
last
year.
We
think
that
these
still
continue
to
be
the
main
drivers
in
those
our
competition
from
surrounding
communities,
competition
from
online
sales,
demographics,
yes
most
notably
aging
population-
and
this
is
the
most
concerning
one
for
us-
I'll
talk
about
that
a
little
bit
and
then
just
retail
mix
within
the
city
of
Boulder
and
we're
working
on
the
retail
study.
That
really
examined
this
piece
recommendations
or
the
study
and
recommendations
will
be
out
there.
So.
B
S
They
are
now
beginning
to
be
taxed
at
this
state.
Home
Rule
cities
have
not
moved
on
this.
We're
working
closely
with
the
Colorado
Municipal
League
to
coordinate
how
we
approach
this.
The
state
has
made
it
pretty
clear
that
if
any
home
rule
city
goes
out
on
their
own
they'll,
consider
this
a
matter
of
statewide
concern
and
kind
of
take
matters
into
their
own
hands.
S
That's
a
concern
for
municipal
for
Home
Rule
cities,
because
that
defines
the
base
and
other
things
which
we
have
significant
concerns
about,
especially
here
in
Boulder,
where
we
tax
certain
things
differently
than
the
state
does
so
we're
working
towards
it.
We
are
seeing
anecdotally
businesses,
out-of-state
businesses,
starting
to
get
business
licenses
with
us.
I
haven't
seen
a
meaningful
increase
in
2019
related
to
that,
but
we
only
have
one
month
of
data
so
we're
monitoring
it
and
we're
seeing
who's
coming
in.
S
B
S
S
So
miss
Reznick
came
up
with
several
models
for
us,
based
on
a
baseline,
an
optimistic
prediction
for
each
of
those
three
factors,
and
she
came
up
with
a
range
here.
You
can
see
at
the
lowest
at
point:
nine
percent
growth
and
the
highest
at
three
point.
Eight
percent
and
the
last
column
is
the
average,
ranging
in
the
two
to
three
percent,
and
that's
what
we've
used
to
inform
our
2020
budget.
S
S
So
mr.
Reznik
modeled,
two
scenarios,
including
essentially
mira,
1,
mirroring
the
Great
Recession
and
one
about
half
the
Great
Recession,
and
you
can
see
that
here.
The
blue
line
is
our
baseline
revenue
projections.
The
two
dips
include
a
potential
recession,
and
what
you
can
see
is
that
these
never
really
catch
up
to
the
baseline
and
that
little
dip
there
is
where
reserves
would
come
in
to
continue
core
services
when
members
of
our
community
need
it
the
most.
S
B
A
F
B
Okay,
so
on
to
questions,
shall
we
go
down
one
by
one,
because
I
think
these
are
pretty
big
questions?
Actually
so
I
would
say
who
wants
to
start
off
with
the
first
question,
which
is
what
should
the
2022
2022
budgets
focus
on
if
there
are
available
resources?
I
think
really.
That
question
is
focused
on
the
list
and
perhaps
the
slide
that
we
were
given
that
showed
a
staff
suggestion
which
is
back
on
slide.
B
B
So
you
wanna,
okay,
that's
helpful,
I'll.
Ask
the
question
then
so
the
first
question
is
of
the
immediate
and
intermediate
projects
discussed
and
I
think
we
should
just
focus
on
the
immediate
ones.
As
my
comment
being
immediate
ones
are.
We
saw
that
that
could
lead
us
to.
So
what
should
we
focus
on
in
this
list?
So.
F
But
as
we
continue
to
go
down
this
path,
I
think
it
just
were
digging
a
hole,
we're
not
going
to
get
out
of
and
I'm
wondering
if
we
should
just
call
it
good
and
get
rid
of
that,
and
that's
the
big
elephant.
That's
in
front
of
us
and
I
mean
we
spent
40
million
plus,
for
that
we
now
have
58
million
dollar
estimate
to
to
redo
the
pavilion.
We
have
a
the
numbers,
always
move.
We
have
sixteen
million
now
to
D
construct
the
hospital.
F
We
have
another
untold
amount
in
terms
of
soil
remediation
abatement,
I'm
still
not
sure
in
terms
of
how
much
funding
is
for
the
surface
and
subsurface
I
can't
remember
that
amount,
but
it
is
far
more
than
I
think
any
of
us
anticipated
and
I
think
we
call
it
good
and
get
out
and
try
to
sell
that
property
ASAP
on
best
possible
conditions.
So
that's
what
I
want
to
start.
The
discussion,
son
I,
think
we've
gotten
in
I
number
one
having
been
on
that
council.
F
You
know
the
idea
that
came
up
at
the
very
end
and
it
was
quickly
pulled
together
and
I'm,
not
pointing
fingers
at
anybody.
I
think
everybody
tried
to
work
together
on
this
I
think
people
saw
it
as
a
incredible
opportunity,
but
we
honestly
it
was
done
so
fast.
We
didn't
do
our
due
diligence
and
we
didn't
and
again
I'm
not
pointing
fingers,
because
the
buck
stops
here
at
the
council
and
the
council
voted
for
this,
but
I
do
think
we
should
stop
and
and
get
out
of
it
and
I'll
just
leave.
Leave
it
at
that.
F
I
I
think
it's
just
gotten
way
over
what
we
anticipate
it
and
we're
putting
the
lion's
share
of
our
funds
in
the
short
term.
Into
this
thing,
that's
just
going
to
take
more
and
more
and
more
and
I'll
just
make
a
comment,
and
this
has
to
do
some
with
some
of
Bob's
and
then
looking
and
again
it's
not
pointing
fingers
or
anything.
Everybody
and
I
really
appreciate
you,
people
putting
this
together
so
that
we
see
full
front.
F
You
know
how
much
money
it's
close
to
half
a
billion
dollars
is
what
we're
talking
about,
and
what
what
really
kind
of
jumped
out
at
me
was
that
there
were
all
these
buildings
and
city
city
building
needs
and
very
little
put
into
residents
needs
and
somehow
that
needs
to
be
balanced.
You
know
we
we
continue
and
I'm
at
large
I'm
a
big
housing
advocate,
but
as
we
continue
to
add
housing
to
what
we
have
here,
we
have
to
add
services.
F
H
Well,
I'll,
just
sort
of
Anna
I
wasn't
on
the
council
that
voted
to
buy
this
so
I'm
out
of
that
part
of
it.
But
it
is
a
rather
shocking
number
for
City
staff
offices,
particularly
when
on
line
number
31
in
the
intermediate
needs.
We
are
sort
of
postponing
one
point:
1.3
million
dollars
for
vision,
zero
needs
and
as
I
drive
around
the
city
and
look
at
the
potholes,
much
less
the
state
of
our
bike
lanes
some
pedestrian
access
and
such
and
see
that
this
isn't
one
of
our
primary
things
right
in
front
of
us.
D
Thank
you
for
that
Cindy,
because
I
mean
I
agree
that
the
the
safety
of
our
of
our
residents
needs
to
be
high
up
on
the
priority
list
and
so
that
those
visions
or
efforts
I,
think
are
extremely
important
and
and
I
do
feel
like.
We
need
to
pay
more
attention
to
the
state
of
our
streets.
I've
been
I,
mean
I,
know
it's
the
end
of
the
winter
season
and
yet
freeze
thaw,
and
so
it's
a
peak
time
for
potholes
but
I.
D
Just
looking
looking
around
as
I
walking
bike
and
driver
on
the
city,
I
feel
like
word:
we're
not
fully
maintaining
our
infrastructure
that
we
have
and
I
think
we
need
to
devote
more
resources
to
like
the
pothole
filling
and
things
like
that.
Some
of
those
basic
services
at
Lisa.
Thank
you
for
calling
out
the
elephant
in
the
room.
I've
been
getting
increasingly
concerned
with
dollar
figures
involved
in
the
hospital.
D
I
was
not
on
the
council
that
purchased
it,
but
I'm
not
pointing
any
fingers
either
and
so
I
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
what
the
the
exit
path
would
be,
but
I
think
we
need
to
explore
it
because
I'm
I
think
fundamentally,
when
I
look
at
the
the
resources
required,
the
dollar
amounts
the
city
resources
of
time
and
effort
and
such
like
that
I'm
not
seeing
us
getting
the
amount
of
value
to
the
city
that
we
will
need
to
put
in
in
terms
of
dollars
and
resources.
So
I
think
it
needs
exploring
Bob
I'll.
J
Just
go
down
the
line
and
agree
with
my
colleagues.
I
just
took
some
quick
math
here
alpine
ball
snow
alone
on
both
the
immediate
and
intermediate
we
had
it
all
out
that
comes
out
to
75
million
and
that's
75
million
out
of
250.
Yet
up
the
intermediate
in
me:
immediate
columns,
it's
it's
almost
a
third
of
the
amount
amount
of
money
we're
talking
about
spending
in
the
next
five
or
six
years
and
I
agree
that
these
numbers
continue
to.
J
Surprise
me:
the
58
million
on
the
pavilion
building
and
the
deconstruction
class
seems
to
continue
to
escalate.
So
I'm,
not
saying
I'm,
not
why
I
don't
want
to
declare
that
I
want
necessarily
disposed
of
the
Alpine
balsam
property,
but
I
think
we
need
to
have
a
big
step
back
deep
dive
and
talk
about
what
we're
doing
here.
E
So
I
will
echo
what's
been
said
and
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
item
number
10
on
the
immediate
needs
is
dealing
with
streets
and
potholes.
So
I
do
think
that
there
is
something-
and
we
can
certainly
prioritize
that
and
I
agree
with
the
sentiment
that
we
need
to
kind
of
look
and
see.
What
is
what
our
basic
fundamental
services
that
we
need
to
be
providing
to
make
sure
that
it's
a
safe
community
and
and
so
I'm
an
agreement
and
I
am
also
an
agreement
of.
E
We
need
to
kind
of
step
back
a
little
bit
on
Alpine
balsam
and
let's
see
what
our
options
are,
because
the
numbers
are
staggering
to
look
at
just
15
million
for
deconstruction
of
a
building
is
just
outrageous,
so
perhaps
we
you
know,
maybe
you
we
sell.
Maybe
we
put
it
on
a
longer
time.
Horizon
I,
don't
know
what
the
options
are,
but
I
think
we
need
to
explore
them,
and
that
would
certainly
open
it
up
for
other
things
that
we
could
prioritize.
N
So
I
guess
I'll
jump
on
the
bandwagon
here.
My
one
concern:
if
we
did
let
go
of
a
plane,
bustle
I'll
play
in
Boston
is
control
in
terms
of
what
we
can
control
right
now
and
how
the
outcome
looks.
I
mean
again
I
understand
that
the
monetary
side
is
staggering
and
extremely
concerning.
N
For
me,
controls
are
really
big
issue,
though
too.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
getting.
If
we
do
sell
it
or
whatnot,
it
doesn't
end
up
to
be
boxes,
high-density
that
doesn't
serve
the
community
and
it's
just
another
ugly
building
in
Boulder.
So
that's
just
my
one
point
on
that
and
then
my
question
to
staff
and
I
could
just
be
missing
it
in
here.
N
So
if
we
were
to
somehow
get
out
of
Alpine
blossom,
we
need
two
other
buildings
that
are
currently
being
rented.
They
need
to
be
renovated.
Is
there
an
amount
there
because
I
mean
some
of
the
money
there
that
that
we
were
gonna
go
towards
outside
I'll
play
and
awesome
could
then
go
to
Brighton
and
whatever
the
other
building.
G
G
If
you
look
at
lines
21
and
22,
that
would
be
the
rental
space
needed
for
the
capacity
of
New,
Britain
and
parkcentral.
If
the
pavillion
is
not
built,
that's
an
annual
cost.
It's
important
to
note
both
in
the
memo
and
I
believe
in
a
IP
that
was
sent
out,
that
if
you
span
that
that
dollar
amount
out
it
actually
to
remodel,
pays
itself
back
versus
the
cost,
we
would
have
lease
it
just
would
take
time
to
do
that.
So
those
are
your
two
weighing
options:
the
smaller
upfront
cost
or
overtime.
N
One
way
it's
just
it's
what's
feasible
for
us
has
an
effect,
unfortunately,
yeah
I'm,
obviously
smarter,
to
have
our
employees
be
in
our
property
on
buildings,
but
at
the
same
point,
if
we
don't
have
the
money,
seventy-five
thousand
dollars
just
or
75
million
dollars,
just
to
start,
we
may
have
to
do
it
the
other
way
and
just
haven't,
unfortunately
be
that
way.
So
it's
a
give-and-take
of
of
what
we
can
do
with
our
money.
So.
J
G
J
Do
we
borrow
72
million
and
only
formula
and
that
doesn't
even
amortize
over
20
years,
that
doesn't
say
that?
Doesn't
the
math
doesn't
30
years
30
this
58
million
58?
First,
this
20s,
that's
a
4%
costs.
I
mean
if
you
factor
the
time
value
money
we
actually
never
get
our
money
back
right.
In
other
words,
4%
158
million
is
2.8
million
dollars
roughly
yeah.
J
We
would
never
actually
get
our
money
back.
I
mean
that's
the
fallacy
of
repayment,
which
is
just
take
your
gross
number
divided
by
your
smaller
number
and
say:
oh
yeah.
We
could
pay
back
in
27
years
whatever,
but
it
ignores
the
interest
cost
at
the
time
value
of
money
right.
So,
if
you've
soon
time
value
money
is
3
or
4%
to
us,
you
actually
never
get
your
money
back.
N
Lisa
you're
saying
that
you
wanted
to
see
it
more
bounced
with
the
community,
but
I,
don't
know
I
kind
of
feel
like
it
just
with
as
much
focus
as
we're
putting
on
life
and
safety.
Well,
I
mean
I,
guess
it
technically
comes
down
to
life
and
safety
with
our
fire
departments,
I
mean
it
does
seem
like
we're,
trying
to
focus
a
lot
on
providing
that
service.
So
I
mean
it's
me.
It's
I
think
there
is
a
balance
and
right.
F
And
I
think
public
safety
is
very
important
to
our
community,
but
I
think
also
amenities.
Like
parks,
I
mean
Sam
and
I
did.
We
were
assisted
by
Sarah
Huntley
and
we
did
a
council
chat
the
other
day
so
and
we
had
a
really
good
turnout
and
there
were
lots
of
people
there
talking
about
roads,
talking
about
parks
and
recs.
Talking.
B
Great
well
I
just
want
to
remind
us
of
a
couple
of
things
here
really
quickly.
First
of
all,
there
has
been
a
pretty
nice
analysis
done
as
long
as
the
numbers
haven't
moved
too
much
of
what
the
payback
time
is
for
renovating
versus
renting,
and
so
that's
all
pulled
together
into
place.
Maybe
staff
could
mail
memo
back
out
to
all
of
Council
on
hotline
again,
because
I
think
it's
worth
reviewing,
because
that
by
build
question
is
something
that
we
did
take
a
look
at
so.
D
B
A
week
actually
and
pretty
easily
but
yeah
it
didn't.
But
then,
if
you
put
the
time
value
money
and
it's
probably
gonna
be
close
to
wash
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we
then
own,
the
property.
So
there's
a
residual
value
question
as
well,
but
regardless
of
I,
don't
disagree
that
we
should
be
looking
closely
at
Alpine
balsam,
because
it's
a
huge
you
know,
contributor,
it's
a
choice
that
we're
having
to
make
a
point.
B
One
other
thing
out,
though,
about
Alpine
balsam,
there's
there's
a
few
reasons
we
made
the
decision
we
did
you
know:
40
million
was
not
something
taken
lightly
in
the
first
place,
but
it
was
land
banking
right.
The
whole
idea
was
that
we
could
effectively
control
the
outcomes
that
we
got
there,
not
just
from
a
design
perspective,
but
from
an
amount
of
affordability
perspective,
so
it
was
done
for
good
reasons.
Another
thing
is
some
of
the
the
costs
that
are
being
shown
is
going
in
there
like
the
infrastructure
costs
and
so
on,
we'll
come
back.
B
So
this
is
something
where
we're
putting
you
know
dollars
in
we'll
get
those
dollars
back
for
the
infrastructure,
but
we'll
also
probably
doing
a
Pollard
and
sell-off
property
to
developers.
That's
ready
or
close
to
ready
to
develop,
so
we're
gonna
be
getting
money
coming
back
in
for
those
as
well.
So
as
we
do
this,
these
dollar
figures
promote
sticker
shock
for
sure,
but
we
should
think
about
that's
why
I
thought
the
questions
about
how
to
spread
it
out
right.
B
So
the
four
million
a
year
interest
costs
was
for
some
portion
of
that
that
we're
spreading
out,
probably
for
the
pavilion
building.
But
it's
similar
for
the
rest
of
the
expenses
that
go
in
is,
if
there's
a
way
to
spread
them
out,
and
then
we
could
them,
there's
still
value,
I,
think
and
being
able
to
control
what
ends
up
at
that
site,
because
if
we
just
let
it
go
and
we
could,
we
could
turn
around
and
sell
it
maximize
what
we
get.
B
Then
it's
really
just
gonna
be
a
matter
of
the
site
plan,
review
process
and
maybe
any
area
plan
that
we
get
in
there
and
the
amount
of
affordable
housing
will
just
be
dictated
by.
You
know
the
linkage
fees
in
the
inclusionary
zoning
so
I
think
we
should
be
careful
about
just
yanking
it.
We
should
be
thoughtful
about
it
and
we
should
have
staff
come
back
and
offer
okay
if
we
turned
around
and
sold
it.
What
would
that
look
like?
In
other
words,
would
there
be
losses?
If
so,
how
much
would
they
be?
B
F
So
I
think
that's
true,
but
I
think
we
need
to
actually
have
a
public
hearing
in
a
business
meeting
on
Alpine
balsam.
We
bought
that
in
late
2015.
We
have
yet
at
least
in
my
memory
had
a
public
hearing
about
it
and
we
revisited
the
November
2013
November
13
2018,
and
these
are
study
sessions
and
in.
If
you
read
that
memo
it
says,
council
gave
direction.
We
do
not
give
directions
at
City
County
at
study
sessions.
F
We
I
mean
this
is
a
point
I
brought
up
a
year
after
year
after
year,
we
make
our
decisions
in
business
meetings,
not
in
study
sessions.
So
we,
you
know
I,
think
staff
is
unclear.
We're
unclear
and
I
would
just
ask
any
Alpine
bow
something
that
comes
back.
I,
don't
want
a
study
session.
I
want
actual
hearing
and
I
want
a
place
where
council
can
legally
direct
staff
to
do
X,
Y,
&,
Z
I.
Think
the
staff
to
date
has
done
a
great
job
and
they've
worked
hard
on
this.
F
J
It's
a
billion
billion
spent
sticking
around
and
I.
Think
staff
needs
to
know
that
now,
right,
I,
think
whether
we
sell
delay
on
the
underlying
land
or
not
is
a
different
discussion
and
doesn't
really
cost
us.
Anything
and
I
grew
through,
like
Sam
is
its
land,
banking,
so
I
think
that's
a
different
decision
sail
versus
not
a
sale
versus
how
we
deconstruct
and
I
think
staffs.
Gonna
need
to
know
on
deconstruction
even
before
the
sort
of
a
budget
I
think
they
need
to
know
like
now.
C
G
And
I
will
know
that
this
proposal
to
exhaust
2018
excess
fund
balance.
This
is
another
way
of
saying
you
will
see
this
in
the
first
adjustment
to
face
which
comes
before
you
May,
seventh,
and
there
is
a
public
hearing
scheduled
for
that.
So
we
could
separate
out
and
have
this
be
kind
of
a
separate
piece.
D
And
I
think
from
my
understanding
of
it
so
far,
it
seems
pretty
clear
that
the
pavilion
building
should
be
reused.
I
think
whether
another
story
gets
added
to
it
is
a
little
more
discretionary,
but
I
kind
of
what
I've
from
the
staff
analysis
is.
The
main
hospital
really
has
to
go,
but
you
you
really
want
to
keep
the
pavilion
building,
whether
you're
selling
it
or
using
it
for
City
offices
I,
think
it
has
a
value
more
value
kept
than
is
that
it's.
C
Complicated
because
if
we
are
keeping
the
pavilion
building
and
taking
down
the
hospital,
there
are
I
think
two
sides
of
the
building
that
are
just
open,
and
so
we
have
to
close
those
up,
and
so
that's
part
of
the
cost.
So
we
can
provide
more
information
and
revisit
the
difference
between
keeping
it
or
not.
E
Address
our
concerns
and
the
the
big-ticket
items
having
to
do
with
Alpine
balsam,
so
one
of
the
concerns
I've
heard
so
far
is
the
issue
of
well.
If
we
don't
we're,
not
controlling
what
goes
on
there
what's
going
to
happen,
and
that
could
be
a
big
concern
for
the
community,
so
there
are
things
that
we
might
be
able
to
do
to
maintain
some
semblance
of
control,
for
example
form-based
code.
So
too
things
like
how
could
we
address
the
issue
of
control
is?
Is
what
are
options
there?
E
How
can
we
address
the
issue
of
the
big-ticket
item?
Well,
maybe
we
sell
of
parcels
and-
and
it's
timed
in
such
a
way
that
works
out
with
addressing
the
big
expenses
with
the
the
pavilion
so
I
think
this
is
gonna.
Take
some
thought
and
I
think
it's
gonna
be
a
process
in
and
of
itself,
but
it
sounds
like
the
deconstruction
does
need
to
happen.
Yeah.
F
Today,
November
study
session
and
I
get
it.
The
basement
is
unusable,
I'm
still
not
convinced
it
does
need
to
be
deconstructed
and
the
first
floor
is
92
thousand
square
feet
and
the
second
to
fourth
floor.
We
have
a
hundred
and
sixty
three
thousand
square
feet.
I'm
I
I,
get
it
there's
all
this
wiring
there's
lead
shields,
there's
copper,
shielding,
there's
all
of
this
stuff,
but
I,
don't
know
why
it
just
can't
be
raft
and
and
used
and
I
know
I'm
a
minority
voice
on
this,
but
it
makes
no
sense
to
me
to
take
down
something.
F
I
mean
it's
one
reason
I
didn't
vote
for
311,
it's
a
hospital
and
they
build
hospitals
like
they
build
ships
and
they're,
usually
very
well
constructed,
and
to
say
that
you
can't
repurpose
one
of
those
hospital
rooms.
I've
been
in
that
hospital
many
times,
and
you
know
many
of
those
rooms
have
either
their
own
private
bath
or
they
share
it
with
the
next
door
and
there's
a
lot
of
different
types
of
housing
that
could
be
accommodated
here
without
taking
this
building
down,
but
I
I
do
think.
F
We
need
to
look
at
this
in
much
more
detail
and
when
I
just
did
just
a
simple
little
math
thing,
because
when
asked
to
take
14
million
out
of
this
excess
fund
balance,
so
I
just
started
after
the
deconstruction
which
is
in
here
at
fifteen
point
two.
But
we
know
it's
much
closer
to
sixteen
and
I
just
added
lines:
3
through
11.
Just
you
know
just
in
sequence
and
that
comes
to
15
point.
4
million
and
I
would
much
rather
spend
my
money
on
15
point.
4
million
dollars
on
all
of
these
different
items.
C
D
Just
would
like
to
make
my
intention
clear,
and
so
you
get
this
out
there,
that
we
don't
know
exactly
the
funding
mechanism,
but
that
there
would
be
an
intention
from
counsel
that,
once
that
building
is
completed,
that
we,
we
actually
run
it
and
operate
it,
and
so
I
would
like
to
see
that
move
from
the
unfunded
column
into
the
plan
to
be
funded,
column
and
and
and
be
plant
start
planning
for
that.
Now,
however,
that
whatever
that
looks
like.
E
B
Think
believe
that
request
came
across
clearly
just
staff.
Is
that
correct,
yep?
Okay?
So,
let's
see
if
we,
if
we
look
at
the
question
specifically,
let's
look
and
see
if
we've
answered
them
of
the
immediate
intermediate,
what
should
the
focus
be?
What
we've
said
so
far
is
how
high
Boston
is
questionable
in
the
current
state,
which
draws
into
question
the
expenses
for
it
in
the
near
term.
So
I
think.
B
We've
we've
answered
that
in
the
sense
that
staff
knows
it's
an
issue
and
we're
gonna
need
to
see
options,
but
it's
gonna
have
a
big
impact
on
the
budget.
You
know
so
it
seems
like
that
decision
or
hearing
from
counsel
needs
to
be
reconsidered,
and
it
probably
does
have
to
be
I
mean
the
budget
time
frame
is
out
to
October,
and
so
we
need
to
schedule
in
some
additional
scenarios
and
information
on
Alpine
balsam.
Does
that
sound
fair
to
Council?
Okay,
good?
F
B
Yeah
no,
we
got
we
got
that
and
that
was
actually
in
the
intermediate
right.
There
it'd
be
operational
funding
available
for
it,
and
so
that's
still
a
little
further
out
right.
So
it's
not
in
the
2020
budget,
which
is
what
we're
really
trying
to
think
about
here.
So
do
we
want
to
say
besides
alpine
balsam,
do
we
want
to
hold
fire
on
the
other
kind
of
near-term
questions?
Are
there
any
of
them
that
any
council
members
want
to
say
this
absolute
I
mean
I,
I'm,
gonna,
say
I,
think
Station
three
work
needs
to
be
funded.
B
N
Well,
I
think
that
would
I
mean
being
that
it's
on
the
immediate
I
mean
that
Long's
garden
I
think
would
be
a
perfect
example
of
that.
So
I
hope
that
we
can
figure
out
some
way
of
whether
or
not
we
use
the
one-time
funds
of
the
four
million
and
then
transfer
them
over
to
the
general
fund
or
if
we
can
work
out
a
program
where
they
don't
need
all
the
money
right
away.
But
I
think
that
would
be
a
huge
benefit
to
secure
for
our
community.
B
B
Don't
think
they
are
on
the
first
short-term
I
wasn't
suggesting,
then
we
go
into
the
medium-term
at
all.
I
was
just
asking
for
how
would
you
like
to
do
that?
So
we
have
this
list
of
short-term
possibilities,
we're
suspending
for
the
moment
Alpine
balsam
until
we
get
more
information.
So
for
me,
as
I
look
down
I
see,
there
are
some
things
that
are
relatively
inexpensive
and
people
have
been
working
on
for
a
long
time
and
fit
into
that
community
needs
like
the
sister
cities.
You
know
display
area
and
Plaza.
B
G
D
M
D
H
B
I
would
point
out-
and
we've
said
this,
but
just
since
we're
summarizing
kind
of
looking
at
this
I,
don't
think
the
middle
income
housing
support
needs
to
be
here
at
three
million
I
think
we
can
do
it
budgets
I
would
take
it
completely
off
of
this,
provided
that
we
can
doesn't
mean
stop
the
project.
It
just
means
there's
another
source
of
funding.
I
think
is
available
for
this.
G
G
F
B
G
G
B
B
E
Know
and
I
and
I
agree
with
that,
the
it's
my
understanding
that
the
estimate
hasn't
the
new
appraisal
hasn't
come
back
yet
and
that
the
Long's
family
is
pretty
flexible
on
how
that
is
parsed
out.
So
all
of
that
could
be
worked
out
and
there's
also
some
potential
funding
that
could
come
from
goko
funds.
So
there's
there
are
different
things
to
consider
on
that
one
and
and
need
some
more
discussion
before
we
add
it,
but
it
I
agree
with
Sam.
It
can
go
forward,
but
with
knowing
that
there's
that
somebody
worked.
F
G
We
had
implemented
in
2017.
We
said
that
we
would
come
back
during
the
budget
process
if
the
self
sufficiency
standard
was
updated,
they
and
just
be
updating
it
every
couple
of
years
and
in
December
they
released
their
report,
updating
it
for
Boulder,
County
and
based
upon
preliminary
analysis,
the
minimum
wage
or
the
living
wage
of
1567
has
increased,
and
so,
if
we
were
to
continue
on
the
path
of
following
that
standard
at
that
mechanism
that
we
calculated
back
in
2016,
it
be
anywhere
from
a
million
five
to
maybe
two
million
dollars.
F
G
So
there's
two
different
pieces
of
it,
so
there
you
could
be
that
you
just
want
to
given
the
fact
that
we're
in
this
compensation
analysis
citywide
to
look
at
market
rates.
You
could
just
say:
let's
just
bring
everyone
up
to
that
base,
pay
right.
So
everyone,
that's
fifteen.
Sixty
seven
now
comes
up
to
the
new
rate.
It
does
cause
compression
and
equity
issues,
which
is
what
you're
saying
is
that
yeah
yeah
next
step
of
it?
And
that's
where
you
start
talking
in
the
higher
dollar
amounts
of
one
point:
five
to
two
million
dollars.
Yes,.
F
F
B
If
I
could
make
a
comment
here,
I
have
a
little
spreadsheet
going
and
if
we
defer
Alpine
balsam
and
we
eliminate
middle
income
housing
and
we
have
Long's
garden,
which
is
an
ongoing
process
which
may
result
in
payments
that
leaves
about
twenty
five
million
in
short
term,
which
is
about
how
much
money
we
have
now
I,
don't
know
how
it
breaks
down
to
long.
You
know
one-time
and
ongoing
column.
G
B
I'd
like
to
think
about
that
a
little
bit
but
I
would
just
say
and
I'm
not
saying
that
we're
gonna
decide
it
here,
but
I
would
just
say
that
with
those
changes
we
have
a
closer
budgetary
match
and
I'll.
Let
you
figure
out
like
what
that
means
and
how
to
is
there
a
way
to
rejigger
the
different
buckets
of
money
that
we
have
to
meet
that
and
I'm
not
I'm,
not
summarizing
for
Council,
but
we
think
help
in
ball
is
off
at
the
table.
The
deconstruction.
We
just
need
more
time
to
think
about
that
and.
D
On
a
different
point
that
you
brought
up
earlier,
I
I
think
it
is
probably
time
to
make
marijuana
funding
ongoing
rather
than
one
time
I
know
we
still
get
the
same
amount
of
money
right.
But
if
it's
ongoing
that
it's
flexible,
you
can
either
use
it
for
something
every
year
or
you
can
dedicate
it
to
one-time
funds.
So
I'd
like
to
go
ahead
and
see
us
get
that
budgetary
flexibility
was
it
30,
odd
states
that
have
some
form
of
marijuana
and
how
many
have
recreational
now
and
it
seems
pretty
safe,
yeah.
B
F
B
A
B
A
B
H
F
H
E
E
F
I
was
interested
in
some
of
the
things
that
Joel
said
about
out
of
state
and
and
doing
retail
and
adjusting
our
taxes
accordingly,
but
we
can't
do
that
yet
and
we're
working
with
the
Colorado,
Municipal,
League
and
so
I
would
that's
been
like
two
decades
long.
At
least
discussion
and
I
would
hope
that
we
keep
our
eye
on
that
and
I'm
sure
we
are
and
work
with
the
Municipal
League
to
make
sure
that
that
outcome
happens.
J
Just
to
be
clear,
we
do
get
some
online
sales
taxes,
I,
don't
want
anybody
to
walk
away
thinking,
we
get
none
of
it
and
we're.
We
haven't
gotten
around
to
figuring
out
I.
Think,
for
example,
much
of
what
Amazon
sells
sells.
We
get
paid
sales
tax
for
right,
I'm,
not
necessarily
everything,
but
much
of
what
they
saw.
Correct,
correct.
S
Amazon
and
a
few
other
large
businesses
are
registered
and
aren't
voluntarily
remitting
the
sales
tax,
and
we
are
working
very
closely
with
Colorado
Municipal
League
Carl
Castillo
is
very
much
monitoring
this,
as
well
as
the
sales
tax
staff
and
yeah.
The
goal
is
to
have
something
implemented
that
works
and
doesn't
violate
the
Commerce
Clause
and
benefits
us
for
the
long
term.
F
Just
make
one
last
comment:
please:
when
I
first
came
on,
we
had
less
than
a
2%
reserve,
so
I
have
to
say
our
staff
has
done
an
incredible
job
at
increasing
that
reserve
and
previous
councils
in
this
council
and
in
increasing
it
and
we're
in
a
fat
and
happy
stage
not
as
fat
as
we
would
like
to
be.
Never
but
I
just
appreciate
the
conservative
conservative
being
conservative
with
our
budget
and
it's
a
much
better
place
to
be
in
then
I
found
ourselves
in
when
I
first
came
in
in
95
and
realized.
G
Kind
of
end
with
wow,
this
is
seemingly
shocking.
It
is
an
introduction
to
conversation,
that's
going
to
be
iterative
over
the
coming
months
and
years,
so
it's
just
meant
to
take
all
the
pieces
that
you've
heard
in
various
study
sessions
or
public
hearings
and
put
it
in
front
of
you.
So
we
can
start
to
game
plan
to
make
a
sustainable
in
long
term.
So
thank
you
for
bearing
with
us
and
we'll
have
a
lot
of
follow-up
that
you'll
be
seeing.
Q
A
I
A
O
I
I
T
I
Ready
to
go
yep
Thanks,
so
this
is
a
continuation
of
study
session.
This
is
the
report
of
the
sexually
violent
predators.
Working
group
with
us
tonight
is
the
fabulous
Heather
Bergman
who
is
facilitated.
The
group
also
Ron
Gossage,
commander
Ron
Gossage,
who
was
representative
of
the
group.
We
had
two
other
members
who
were
planning
to
attend
one
had
an
emergency
this
evening
and
couldn't
attend
the
other
one
we
haven't
heard
from
so
we're
hoping
that
that
they
can
come
by,
but
that
one
of
them
can
come
by.
I
But
this
may
be
it
and,
of
course,
chief
test
is
here
as
well.
If
you
have
any
questions
for
the
chief,
so
at
the
end,
I'm
going
to
ask
you
these
questions
about
the
recommendations
and
implementations
of
a
non
consensus
recommendation,
but
I'll
give
you
some
background.
First
I'll
walk
you
through
the
recommendations
and
then
come
back
to
the
questions.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
you'd
seen
them
up
front
before
we
got
into
the
presentation
and
considering
the
hour.
I
So
just
give
you
some
history,
you
may
recall
that
when
Christopher
lawyer,
who
was
a
violent
rapist
who
committed
a
stranger
rape
in
Boulder,
who
many
people
remembered
was
released
into
the
community,
a
lot
of
the
community
was
very
concerned,
particularly
when
he
ended
up
living
at
the
homeless,
shelter,
and
so
that
created
a
community
conversation
about
how
we
deal
with
sexually
violent
predators
and
but
particularly
since
we
seem
to
be
seeing
more
of
them
and
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
in
a
minute.
So
this
is
a
history
of
counsels
involvement.
I
There
was
not
a
five
to
go
forward.
There
was
a
discussion,
as
you
recall,
principally
focused
on
whether
or
not
there
should
be
residency
restrictions
that
his
distances
from
parks
or
daycare
centers
or
things
like
that.
As
some
other
communities,
I
believe
for
the
communities
in
Colorados
have
adopted.
The
council
had
had
two
public
hearings
and,
in
January
of
2018
appointed
a
working
group.
The
working
group
met
met
throughout
2018
and
issued
its
final
report
in
December
and
because
of
the
president
council
business.
I
I
This
is
this
is
very
difficult
subject
matter
and
a
lot
of
things
are
counterintuitive.
We
had
very
strong
community
representation
and
some
really
good
discussions.
A
lot
of
the
the
process,
though,
was
educating
those
of
us
who
don't
necessarily
work
in
this
area
about
the
difficult
issues
that
your
face
when
you
deal
with
sexually
violent
predators,
so
just
a
real
quick
overview
of
sex
offender
registration
and
particularly
sex,
a
sexually
violent
predator.
This
is
really
a
notification
provision.
I
The
idea
is
that
when
you
have
someone
who's
endangered
dangerous
in
your
community,
you
have
a
right
to
know
about
it,
which
is
as
far
as
it
goes
a
very
good
thing.
The
challenge
is
that
there
isn't
a
whole
lot
that
you
can
do
about
it,
and
the
communities
tend
to
get
frustrated.
When
you
tell
them
we're
putting
somebody
in
your
community
who,
we
believe
is
dangerous,
but
there's
really
not
much.
You
can
do,
and
so
that's
a
challenge.
I
So
the
the
the
the
first
sexually
violent
predator
law
was
adopted
in
1994
after
the
rape
and
murder
of
a
young
woman
named
Megan
Kanka,
it
was
during
the
Clinton
administration.
It
requires
registration
with
local
enforcement
depending
on
the
offense.
Registration
can
be
5,
10,
20
years
or
even
life
sexually
violent
predators
register
for
life,
but
can
be
petitioned
to
remove
from
the
list,
and
this
is
a
very
important
point.
Registration
can
exceed
the
period
of
post-release
supervision
and
what
I
mean
by
that?
I
This
is
something
we
had
a
lot
of
trouble
getting
our
heads
around
generally,
when
you're
released
from
prison,
you're
on
parole,
and
so,
if
you're
on
parole
and
you
violate
you
go
back,
and
so
it's
basically
what
the
courts
do.
Is
they
say
when
you
get
a
sentence
of
say
20
years
and
you
get
released
early
ten
years,
they
have
ten
years
to
actively
supervise
your
reintegration
into
the
community
and
hopefully
prevent
you
from
from
reoffending.
I
I
So
it
is
a
very
challenging
thing
and
one
that
they
said
we
spend
a
lot
of
time
learning
about,
and
so
this
is
a
quick
definition
of
of
a
sexually
violent
predator
that
it
had.
They
have
to
be
convicted
of
sexual
assault,
unlawful
sexual
conduct
or
sexual
assault
of
a
child
by
position
and
one
trust
the
victim
was
a
stranger
or
the
offender
promoted.
The
relationship
of
the
purpose
of
victimization,
who,
based
on
a
risk
assessment,
is
likely
to
Rhea
fend
of
the
things
we
learned
very
much
about.
I
That
is
that
that
is
more
of
an
art
than
a
science
and
courts
initially
were
more
likely
than
not
to
make
the
determination
that
someone
was
likely
to
reoffended
because,
of
course,
they're
predicting
the
future,
and
nobody
knows
the
future.
There
are
approximately
eight
hundred
sexually
violent
predators
in
Colorado
these
day.
This
day
is
probably
a
little
bit
stale,
but
not
all
that
stale
542
are
incarcerated,
seven
on
life
sentences
with
no
with
no
parole.
I
So
the
importance
of
this
data,
though,
is
that,
as
you
see,
with
the
average
sentences,
thirty
five
point
six
years,
they're
gonna
start
more
and
more
get
start
getting
out,
and
so
you
know
we
were
sort
of
shocked
when
we
had.
We
had
never
had
widow,
nor
than
one
at
the
shelter
and
suddenly
we
had
four
and
people
were
just
sort
of
up
in
arms
and
how
could
that
be
happening?
Well,
what's
happening
is
when
you
put
in
something
twenty
years
ago,
and
you
have
an
average
sentence
of
thirty
five
point.
I
Six
years
people
start
getting
out,
and
so
you
have
more
and
more
and
it
is
incredibly
difficult
to
house
a
sexually
violent.
Predator.
Most
people
won't
rent
to
them.
It's.
They
have
trouble
getting
jobs,
so
a
lot
of
them
end
up
as
homeless
and
as
you'll
see
when
I
give
you
the
data
here.
The
data
for
both
are
currently
data
for
Boulder.
We
have
one
hundred
and
sixty
sixteen
sex
offenders
are
currently
registered
in
the
city
of
Boulder,
three
of
whom
are
sexually
violent
predators
to
list
the
homeless
shelter
as
the
registration
address.
I
So
it's
a
continuing
problem
of
finding
a
place
and
if
you
ask
the
police
apartment,
they
would
rather
know
where
the
person
is
sleeping
than
not,
and
so
we've
seen
sexually
violent
predators
registered
as
the
ape
at
the
vacant
building
on
55th
Street,
and
that's
not
really
good.
If
you're,
if
you're
a
police
department
worrying
about
somebody
who
has
been
committed
a
violent
crime
in
the
past
and
has
been
adjudged
to
be
likely
to
Rhea
fence.
I
So
the
problem
that
the
the
community,
the
working
group
talked
a
lot
about,
was
how
do
we
figure
out
a
way
to
house
these
individuals
and
also
put
them
in
a
situation
where
they're
less
likely
to
Rhea
fend
them
and,
as
you'll
see
the
recommendations
focus
on
that
also
on
better
community
notification?
But
let
me
talk
a
little
bit
about
Christopher
lawyer,
who
is
a
significant
concern
for
our
community.
His
parole
was
revoked.
You
remember
remember
that
he
ended
up
in
California.
He
committed
some
more
vital
parole
violations.
He
came
back.
I
His
parole
was
revoked
in
July
of
2018
chief
testa
went
and
testified
actually
at
the
hearing
to
make
sure
that
the
parole
board
understood
about
how
concerned
our
community
was
about
this
man.
His
original
sentence
was
12
years
to
life,
so
they
do
indeterminate
sentencing.
He
got
our
early
he's
now
back.
He
has
another
eligibility
hearing
this
July
and
we
will
monitor
that.
I
Hopefully
he
will
not
get
out,
but
just
as
a
heads
up,
if
he
gets
out
our
community
is
going
to
be
very
concerned
if
he
tries
to
come
back
here
again
and
to
some
extent
he
is
from
here
it's
fair
that
he
tries
to
come
back
here,
but
he
committed
a
very
heinous
crime
and
that
was
very
notorious
in
our
community
and
sex.
Offenses
generally
are
committed
against
someone.
Someone
knows
stranger.
I
Assaults
are
very
unusual
and
tend
to
be
more
violent
and
even
deadly,
and
so
he
committed
a
stranger
rape
of
a
woman
who's
delivering
newspapers.
So
he
is
among
the
worst
kind
of
sex
offender,
the
one
we
worry
the
most
about.
So
we
will
keep
you
apprised
of
what
happens
and
keep
the
community
informed,
and
some
of
these
recommendations
will
also
help
with
that.
I
Heather,
you
can
correct
me
anytime,
you
want
okay,
actually,
so
there
were
eight
consensus
recommendations
and
one
recommend
that
was
pretty
much
made
by
one
member
and
not
supported
by
the
rest
of
the
the
group
and
but
to
give
that
to
honor
that
recommendation
I'm
going
to
present
it
to
you-
and
you
saw
one
of
my
questions-
was:
are
there
any
parts
of
that?
The
council
would
like
us
to
work
on
implementing?
I
So
one
of
the
biggest
challenges
is
housing
and
how
you
you,
so
people
tend
to
be
less
likely
to
offend
if
they
are
part
of
a
community
and
have
a
support
system.
If
they
are
out
on
their
own,
they
are
more
likely
to
offend
just
generally
true,
so
that
the
group
recommended
that
the
city
seek
parvis.
Privates
part
public-private
partnerships
to
incentivize
the
private
sector
to
provide
housing
and
show
the
commitment
to
addressing
SBP
housing
issues,
especially
given
the
growing
population
of
SB
Fifi,
the
future.
I
The
purposes
recommendation
is
say
there
isn't
we
can't
necessarily
guarantee
something,
but
this
should
be
on
the
city's
work
planned
to
at
least
try
to
make
sure
that
we
can
do
something
to
get
housing
for
SV
PS
having
them
homeless
or
having
them
at
the
shelter
are
both
bad
alternatives,
and
you
know:
we've
modified
the
operating
agreement
with
the
shelter
to
limit
the
number
of
VPS
who
can
be
there.
So
it's
not
an
option
for
everyone
into
one
right
to.
D
B
I
City
would
work
with
these
partners,
because
these
are
all
people
who
have
some
say
over
at
least
somebody
who's
out
of
on
parole,
mm-hmm
and
so
the
there
there
are
halfway
houses
and
there
the
the
idea
is
that
to
work
proactively
with
the
city
and
the
city,
the
city,
being
a
partner
rather
than
just
being
notified,
hey
this
guy's
in
your
community
and
so
to
have
our
housing
folks
looking
for
partnerships,
so
that
we're
not
in
a
situation
where
you
have
somebody
who
is
like
mr.
lawyer
out
on
the
street
homeless,
but.
I
That
was
the
idea
and
then
the
second
one
is
to
look
for
evidence-based
programs
that
help
reduce
recidivism.
This
circles
of
support
and
accountability
program
has
been
used
around
the
country
it
focused.
It
has
volunteers
who
focus
on
resocialize,
improve
IDing
support,
ex-offenders,
it's
a
model
that
has
worked
elsewhere.
It
has
been
in
place
in
Colorado,
but
not,
but
it's
it's
a
little.
It's
dormant
now
and
there
have
been
some
issues.
I
Community
communication
and
education,
so
the
recommended
that
the
city
put
information
regarding
the
SPPs
on
the
city
website,
with
links
to
relevant
studies
and
consider
developing
a
fact
sheet
that
has
key
statistics
and
information
about
SPPs.
One
of
the
things
the
group
wanted
to
do
was
Demuth's
the
size
this
there.
I
You
can't
sort
of
hide
the
fact
that
s
VPS
are
out
there
or
what
they
are,
but
understanding
the
limitations
on
what
you
can
do
and
having
the
information
out
and
we've
got
some
of
it
on
our
website
already
about
what
best
practices
are,
what
things
really
are
effective?
What
aren't
I
mean
you
remember?
This
whole
discussion
was
about
residential
restrictions.
The
group
is
not
recommending
that
in
any
way,
I
mean
I.
I
Think
all
the
data
we
saw
was
that
those
don't
really
work
and
they
tend
to
make
that
they
could
make
things
worse
so
that
that's
not
a
recommendation
of
the
group
and
then
the
second
one.
They
wanted
to
make
sure
that
incoming
councilmembers
were
aware
of
s
VPS
and
the
issues.
So
they
asked
that
as
part
of
the
orientation
that
we
do
when
we
onboard
new
council
members
that
we
include
a
little
bit
about
s
VPS
and
what
we're
doing
and
what
the
history
in
the
past,
so
they
you
all
were
kind
of.
I
I
There
was
a
lot
of
concern
about
the
notification
process
and
too
many
extra
largest
in
the
notification
process
is
designed
for
most
places
where
no
one
ever
shows
up,
and
so
you
have
a
whole
process
a
script.
You
have
questions
on
cards
and
you'll
have
two
or
three
people
in
the
room
when
they
did
the
notification
for
Christopher
a
lawyer,
the
room
was
packed
and
with
angry
individuals
who
felt
that
they
were
be
they
that
their
neighborhood
was
being
put
at
risk
and
the
the
standard
notification
practice,
especially
the
community
members
who
participate.
I
I
I
They
want
to
make
sure
we
get
the
word
out
when
one
of
these
things
happening.
So
people
are
not
surprised
in
showing
it
learning
about
at
the
last
minute
and
that
that
the
City
Council
be
informed
whenever
there's
a
notification
meeting
so
that
you
all
can
participate,
and
you
can
all
put
it
out
to
your
list
so
that
people
know
that
it's
happening.
So
whenever
we
have
a
new
SVP
in
town,
there
would
be
a
notification
process
that
you
would
be
informed
for.
I
So
these
three
specific
recommendations
for
the
notification
provide
the
information
that
community
means
allow
people
to
ask
questions
as
I
said
that
people
were
unhappy
about
having
things
having
to
write
their
questions
on
cards
and
have
some
somebody
selected.
That's
kind
of
a
crowd,
control
thing
that
they
do,
but
it's
not
Boulder,
and
so
they
didn't
want
that
and
allow
the
expression
of
opinions
that
generally
those
meetings
are
structured
as
an
information
meeting.
This
is
what's
happening
this
person's
coming
in
community.
I
There
isn't
anything
you
can
do
about
it,
but
that
didn't
go
over
well
in
Boulder
and
I
and
I'm,
not
faulting.
Anyone.
The
this
as
I
said
mr.
lawyer
is
a
real
problem.
People
are
perfectly
justified
in
being
really
angry
about
him
being
in
the
community
again,
and
the
process
that
that
that
was
set
up
was
not
really
designed
to
deal
with
that
situation
in
our
community.
I
So
those
that's
the
end
of
the
consensus
recommendations,
there's
a
there's
another
recommendation
that
was
more
comprehensive
and
it
was
drafted
by
one
by
one
of
the
community
members
who
was
appointed
the
board
and
she
put
a
lot
of
thought
and
work
into
it.
There
are
problems
with
it
and
it
would
require
a
significant
expenditure
of
funds
by
the
city
to
implement.
I
So
stay
in
the
contract
housing
for
five
years
there
would
be
incentives
paired
with
voluntary
requirements
targeted
the
abusers
are
not
being
supervised.
So
the
remember
I
said
that
a
lot
of
the
folks
who
are
out
are
no
longer
on
parole,
so
the
state
has
no
compulsive
ability
to
have
them
do
anything
by
providing
them
housing.
You
would
have
a
contract.
We
would
then
have
the
convulsive
ability
to
have
them
do
things.
We
were
to
reward
them
longer.
They
participate
and
focus
on
incentives.
I
I
The
the
residential
restrictions
that
some
of
these
things
would
drop
off
and
then,
of
course,
the
the
bottom
one.
It
would
not
be
limited
to
North
Boulder,
which
tends
to
feel
a
lot
of
the
impacts,
because
that's
where
the
shelter
is,
and
so
there
there
was,
as
I
said,
the
the
support
was
because,
if
you're
really
gonna
solve
this
problem,
you
need
an
integrated
approach.
You
need
to
spend
money
on
it
and
you
need
to
focus
on
it.
I
The
there
was
not
broad
support
because
in
part
the
city
has
a
lot
of
housing
needs
and
how
you
would
make
the
choice
to
spend
money
for
housing
a
sexually
violent
predator
than
a
family.
That
would
be
the
choice,
because
someone
be
getting
a
unit
that
somebody
else
couldn't
get
would
be
difficult.
The
units
would
tend
to
be
in
lower-income
housing,
so
you're
putting
a
dangerous
people,
a
person
in
a
community
that's
vulnerable
already.
I
So
there
were
concerns
about
that
approach
and
also
making
Boulder
Boulder
has
a
per
capita
a
relatively
no
low
number
of
sexually
violent
predators.
The
the
highest
is
pueblo
bubble
has,
has
I,
think
14
per
hundred
thousand
and
we
have
three
per
hundred
thousand,
so
the
the
so
we
don't
tend
to
attract
sexually
violent
predators
in
part
I
think
because
our
housing
costs
are
so
high
and
we
don't
have
a
prison
here.
I
think
pebble
has
a
lot
because
their
prisons
down
there
and
people
tend
to
just
stay
there.
I
I
That
I'm,
aware
of
no
you
didn't
hear
it
no,
and
so
I
want
to
make
clear
that
the
committee
did
not.
The
workgroup
did
not
recommend
an
ordinance
imposing
residence
restrictions,
which
was
part
of
our
original
charge.
You'll
recall
that
we
even
actually
I
think
drafted
one
at
one
point:
the
council
had
a
hearing
on,
so
that's
not
a
direction.
The
working
group
recommended
and
now
I
am
back
at
questions
for
Council.
Did
you
want
to
add
anything
thanks.
T
I
T
T
Obviously,
someone
like
Christopher
lawyer,
scares
everyone,
but
if
you
were
familiar
with
the
system,
some
some
people
find
great
comfort
in
that
familiarity
with
familiarity
with
the
system
and
others
who
don't
have
the
familiarity.
Don't
have
that
comfort.
This
was
a.
This
was
a
hard
conversation,
not
just
because
the
topic
itself
is
very
uncomfortable
and
very
scary
and
very
emotional,
but
also
because
we
more
than
most
groups
that
I
facilitate
for
you.
T
Mahir
how
hard
these
people
were
to
try
to
come
to
an
agreement,
sometimes
I
work
hard
to
get
groups
to
an
agreement
for
you
this
case.
This
group
worked
really
hard
to
find
an
agreement
and
just
the
the
technical
and
legal
complexity
of
it
made
it
very
hard
for
them
they
leaned
in-
and
this
is
what
this
is
where
they
got.
B
D
Mean
I
could
kick
us
off,
I'm
Heather.
Thank
you
for
your
work
on
this
process.
It
feels
to
me,
like
the
group,
worked
really
hard
and
came
up
with
a
really
solid
set
of
recommendations.
I
appreciate
the
community
members
involvement
and
then
all
the
experts
and
seems
like
they
were
able
to
come
together
and
reading
through
them
as
I
as
I.
Looked
through
my
packet
mica,
oh
yeah,
makes
sense.
Oh
sounds
good,
hey.
Let's
do
that.
D
D
F
H
The
part
of
the
the
idea
it
seemed
was
of
having
this
very
integrated
approach
was
to
get
past
that
first
five-year
period
right,
so
that
the
person
would
be
less
liable
to
to
recommit,
and
in
looking
at
that,
I
thought.
You
know
it's
too
bad.
This
is
left
to
communities
to
have
to
deal
with,
the
funding
should
be
there
and
it
should
be
there
from
the
feds
or
from
the
state
or
something
to
help,
but
they
more
and
more
of
this
comes
back
on
to
the
communities,
who
are
the
least
able
to
deal
with
it.
H
H
F
I
Things
I
think
we
can
do
in
my
office.
I
think
the
heaviest
lift
and
I
sent
this
to
Kurt
fern
Harbor
is
the
housing,
peace
coordinating
and
looking
because
there
is
that
recommendation
in
there
and
that's
gonna
require
some
staffing
from
housing
and
Human
Services
and
I'm
happy
to
report
back
to
you
on
that.
But
you
know
I
helped,
prepare
the
materials
for
the
new
council,
onboarding
and
so
I
can
do
that,
and
the
police
department
has
a
lot
of
data.
There's
some
limitations
on
what
we
can
disclose.
Now
the
state
limited.
F
I
would
be
interested
in
tracking
how
much
time
housing
staff
does
have
to
work
on
this,
and
if
it's
proportionate
to
number
of
people
served
I
mean
if
we
have
three
sexually
violent
predators.
That's
a
small
number
and
I
just
would
not
want
our
staff
disproportionately
spending
their
time.
Finding
housing
for
three
people,
I.
J
I
B
Yep
man
I
am
too
so
it
sounds
like
this
is
gonna,
be
a
pretty
easy
decision.
I
appreciate
the
time
the
community
put
in
and
cheap
testa
and
your
staff
and
everybody
else
who
was
involved
with
this.
It
looks
like
we've
come
to
a
pretty
good
place,
I'm
in
the
same
place,
I
think
everyone
else's
move
forward
with
these
don't
spend
too
much
time
on
it.
B
F
B
There's
a
possibility,
we'll
have
another
heated
moment
and
I
think
it's
what
some
of
the
recommendations
really
focus
on
is
not
only
how
do
you
deal
with
it,
but
how
do
you
learn
from
it
so
that
if
it
happens
after
that
that
you
better
so
I
think
it's
great,
they
got
anything
else.
I
think
we're
done.