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A
A
D
All
right:
well,
let's
get
going
welcome
everyone
to
the
Thursday,
January
5th
2023
meeting
of
the
Boulder
City
Council
welcome
and
a
Happy
New
Year
to
all
I'm
going
before
we
do.
Our
roll
call
I'm
going
to
turn
to
council
member
Benjamin
for
our
lead-in
joke
of
the
year.
E
Yeah,
it's
2023.,
happy
New,
Year
everybody.
Why
is
New
York,
City's
New
Year's
celebration?
Always
so
overrated?
Every
year
they
drop
the
ball.
A
F
B
D
H
D
D
A
our
first
item
of
an
update
and
discussion
regarding
methamphetamine
levels,
discovered
at
the
main
library
with
Boulder
County
Health
president
as
well
to
remove
item
8A,
a
council
discussion
on
proposed
boards
and
commissions
liaison
duties,
which
has
been
moved
to
the
January
12th
study
session
and
finally,
to
correct
item
4B
to
correct
the
address
of
the
utility
easement
from
3320
28th
Street
to
3265
30th
Street,
so
moved
second
motion.
Second,
all
in
favor
raise
your
hand.
D
That's
unanimous.
The
agenda
has
been
amended,
and
so
we
will
go
right
into
item
1A,
which
I
just
described
and
I'm
going
to
start
by
heading
over
to
Deputy
city
manager,
Chris
Mess
check
to
get
us
started.
Please
thank.
I
You
mayor
good
evening,
council
members
and
I'm
just
going
to
do
a
very
brief
intro
for
this
item.
Our
city
manager,
Nuria,
Rivera
vandermite,
is
on
vacation
but
has
joined
us
for
this
item
remotely.
So
I
will
turn
it
over
to
Nuria
who's,
going
to
kick
it
off,
and
then
we
will
have
David
farnin
our
library
director,
and
then
we
have
two
representatives
from
Boulder
County
Public
Health
that
are
joining
us
tonight
as
well.
So
with
that
Nuria
take
it
away.
J
Thank
you
so
much
Chris.
Can
you
hear
me
all
right?
Yes,
I
appreciate
being
able
to
join
you
this
evening,
though
note
I
may
have
to
turn
my
video
off.
It's
heavy
rains
where
I
am
are
causing
some
connectivity
issues
so
I
think
I'm,
also
just
a
little
blurry
I
apologize
for
that.
It
was
important
for
me
to
be
here
today.
It's
an
important
discussion.
It
comes
as
no
surprise
to
our
community
that
meth
continues
to
be
the
fastest
growing
drug
and
epidemic.
J
We
too
believe
this
is
an
important
conversation
and
are
looking
to
devote
time
at
an
upcoming
study
session
to
delve
into
this
topic
from
various
perspectives
across
the
city
departments,
as
well
as
possible,
Community
Partners.
But
for
today
we
wanted
to
provide
you
with
an
update
concerning
the
library
over
the
past
months,
or
so.
J
We
have
experienced
a
troubling
number
of
suspected
reports
of
drug
use
in
the
bathrooms
at
our
main
library,
so
much
so
that
our
library,
director,
David
farnan,
will
provide
you
with
more
detail
in
just
a
bit
called
for
testing
to
determine
what
exactly
we
were
dealing
with.
Those
initial
test
results
originally
focused
on
the
bathroom
areas.
They
came
in
on
Monday,
December,
19th
and
after
consultation
with
our
Public
Health
Partners,
as
well
as
the
expertise
of
our
facilities
and
Fleet
department
and
our
risk
management
department
and
finance.
J
We
called
for
the
library's
closure
at
that
time.
We
did
not
know
the
extent
of
the
contamination,
but
I
could
not
in
good
conscious
have
staff
and
the
public
invited
to
a
public
facility
where
we
needed
to
do
more
Environmental
Testing
throughout
the
building
to
put
together
the
appropriate
remedial
plan.
J
I
want
to
thank
Lexi,
Nolan,
Bill,
Hayes,
Joe
malinowski
and
any
additional
Boulder
County
public
health
staff
who
supported
us
throughout
the
process.
Many
who
disrupted
their
holiday
plans
and
vacations
to
assist.
We
are
so
appreciative
of
the
continued
partnership
and
support
we've
had
from
you
I'll
note
that
we
have
representation
from
Boulder,
County
Public
Health
with
us
today
to
answer
questions
as
well,
but
first
I'll
turn
it
over
to
our
library
director
who,
alongside
so
many
other
City
staff,
who
worked
quickly
throughout
the
holidays
as
well.
J
K
Thank
you
neria
good
evening
Council,
thanks
for
this
opportunity
to
come
and
tell
you
what
happened.
My
name
is
David
farnan
I'm,
the
library
director
for
the
city
of
Boulder
I,
want
to
open
up
with
just
some
brief
marks
about
what
the
library
is
and
what
we
do.
Typically
I
will
go
into
some
detail
with
regard
to
what
unfolded
over
the
last
four
weeks
and
then
describe
to
you
a
little
bit
what
the
library,
what
the
plan
for
reopening
is
and
what
the
library
is
going
to
look
like
when
we
reopen.
K
So
the
library,
as
you
all
well
know,
is
one
of
the
busiest
public
facilities
in
the
city
of
Boulder
prior
to
the
pandemic.
That
meant
roughly
2
000
visitors
a
day
to
the
library
downtown
since
the
Pandemic.
Those
numbers
are
off,
but
it's
well
over
a
thousand
visitors
a
day.
99
of
those
visitors
who
come
to
the
library
every
day
are
using
it
for
its
intended
purpose
and
I
need
to
stress
that
highly
the
plurality
of
those
daily
attendees,
I,
Far
and
Away
are
dominated
by
children
and
families.
K
So
they
make
up
easily
30
percent
of
the
people
who
are
walking
through
the
door
and
well
over
50
percent
of
all
of
my
business
metrics.
At
this
point,
books
checked
out.
Programs
attended
that
kind
of
thing.
But
if
you
look
at
the
cross
section
of
the
people
who
walk
in
the
door,
it
is
literally
a
cross
section
of
our
entire
Community.
They
are
students,
they
are
retirees.
There
are
folks
who
come
in
to
read.
They
are
folks
who
come
in
to
experience
Community,
they
are
both
unhoused
and
housed.
K
K
So
I
want
to
open
up
a
little
bit
here
about,
while,
while
of
course,
there
have
been
intermittent
issues
of
drug
use
in
the
library
over
the
course
of
time,
we
have
one
documented
arrest
in
2022
prior
to
this,
and
one
suspected
attempt
at
drug
use,
which
was
dealt
with
I
did
suspend
that
person
for
364
days.
Although
I'm,
not
a
court
of
law,
I
am
not
a
law
enforcement
officer,
it
was
a
Breaking
of
our
of
our
behavioral
guidelines
for
disrupting
Library
service
and
he
was
suspended.
K
The
incidents
that
began
this
year
began
on
November
20,
November
23rd.
On
that
day,
we
had
two
documented
incidents
of
smoking.
In
the
bathrooms
we
closed.
The
the
police
and
the
fire
department
were
called.
We
happened
to
have
a
Hazmat
investigator
who
came
with
the
fire
department.
He
was
unable
to
detect
any
chemicals.
He
was
unable
to
detect
any
CO2
to
place
displacement,
which
means
he
was
unable
to
even
detect
that
there
had
been
a
fire
in
the
space.
K
So
at
that
time,
the
next
day
we
were
closed
for
the
holiday.
We
we
discussed
at
the
time
the
building
facilities,
maintenance
manager
and
I
that
we
didn't
know
what
it
was,
but
we
suspected
narcotics
at
that
time
we
reopened
after
the
holidays.
There
was
again
another
incident
at
that
time.
Again:
some
staff
members,
six
staff
members,
three
security
guards,
two
cleaning,
mem
crew
members
and
one
of
my
front
line
staff
walked
into
the
smoke-filled
bathrooms.
Two
of
those
staff
members
reported
dizziness
I
also
went
into
the
bathrooms.
K
I
felt
no
symptoms.
We
had
everyone
checked
out
by
paramedics
and
paramedics,
as
is
there
their
way
with
a
sense
of
humor,
reported
that
all
of
the
six
individuals
were
much
healthier
than
myself
and
or
the
facility's
maintenance
manager
which
I
thought
was
humorous,
but
we
were
still
left
with
scratching
our
heads
because
we
didn't
know
what
it
was
going
on.
We
developed
a
protocol
at
that
time
right.
So
any
incident
in
which
there
was
fire
in
the
bathrooms
we
would
call
we
would
close
the
bathrooms.
We
would
call
the
fire
department.
K
It
was
at
the
same
time
that
the
facilities,
maintenance
manager
and
I
met
and
expressed
both
concern
that
we
did
not
know
what
we
were
asking
the
cleaning
crew
to
go
into,
and
it's
specifically
two
people.
We
consulted
with
the
Hazmat
person
who
was
there
on
site
the
facilities
maintenance
manager
followed
up
then,
with
the
chief
of
the
chief
of
the
HazMat
team
for
the
city
of
Boulder
and
realized,
the
HazMat
team
doesn't
do
testing
for
drugs.
K
We
then
chose
to
pursue
a
professional
opinion
at
that
time
in
tandem
I
reached
out
to
the
city
manager's
office
of
my
supervisor,
Chris
mestick,
to
talk
with
him,
and
we
agreed
that
it
was
best
if
I
would
reach
out
to
Chief
Harold
and
deputy
chief
Redfern
I
did
so
at
that
time
they
immediately
provided
assistance
to
the
library
and
attached
me
to
a
Narcotics.
K
Division
I
met
with
that
Sergeant
soon
after
and
we
began
work
by
bringing
in
an
undercover
team
of
Narcotics
detectives
into
the
library
to
see
if
they
could
discern
what
was
going
on.
We
began
at
the
very
same
time
to
share
information
with
those
undercover
narcotics
office,
including
people
who
we
suspected
any
suspect
activity
that
we
were
seeing
within
the
library
that
we
could
pick
up
on
on
surveillance
cameras,
including
in
a
couple
of
instances,
places
where
we
thought
a
person
or
persons
could
possibly
be
the
Nexus
of
some
form
of
drug
transactions
going
on.
K
It
turned
out
that
that
was
not
the
case.
They
were
not
transacting,
drugs
and
I
learned
a
lot
more
than
I
ever
thought.
I
would
learn
about
how
users
use
drugs,
but
it's
not
unlike
how
a
group
of
maybe
you
know
in
the
movies
alcoholics
would
share
a
bottle
of
of
alcohol
drug
users.
Typically
one
person
scores
than
three
people
score
and
so
they're
quite
often
sharing
drugs
among
each
other.
K
The
we
began
in
tandem
in
both
ways,
so
with
facilities
maintenance
managed,
we
were
pursuing
testing
with
the
police
department.
We
were
pursuing
investigations,
micro
security
guards
continued
to
monitor
activity.
We
had
eight
additional
incidents
between
November,
29th
or
maybe
10
I
guess
it
was
10
incidents
between
November,
29th
and
December
15th
on
December
12th,
the
tester
came
out
to
the
library
we
closed
the
bathrooms
for
that
testing,
so
they
could
test
the
air
ducts,
which
we
were
only
testing
the
air
ducts.
K
At
that
time
they
tested
the
air
ducts
and
then
on
the
19th
of
December.
We
received
the
results
of
those
tests.
That
was
myself:
the
facilities,
maintenance
manager,
the
head
of
risk
and
the
consultant
who
we
had
used
to
do
the
testing
we
immediately
set
out
to
do
a
meeting
with
Boulder,
County
Health
and
from
that
point
then
met
with
the
city
manager
and
involved
a
lot
of
other
people
at
which
point
as
Nuria
described.
The
decision
was
made
to
close
the
library
and
do
further
testing.
K
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
we,
what
it's
going
to
look
like
when
we
reopen
so
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
was
for
myself
I.
You
know
I've
learned
a
lot
more
than
I
ever
thought.
I
would
I've
been
doing
libraries
for
30
years.
I've
never
had
anything
like
this.
In
all
of
that
time,
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
was
probably
most
concerning
to
us
is
we
knew
we
had
to
meet
whatever
the
state
guidelines
were
so
we
have
cut.
K
We
are
we
have
a
remediation
team
now
on
site.
They
have
been
there
since
last
week.
They
are
actively
cleaning
all
different
areas.
We
we
brought
back
for
the
areas
that
were
considered
contaminated,
so
the
bathrooms
all
six
bathrooms
were
at
levels
considered
contaminated,
as
was
one
seating
area
outside
of
the
bathrooms.
That
one
was
one
that
was
probably
deeply
concerning
to
us,
because
we
learned
all
about
dermal
transmission,
so
unbeknownst
to
myself.
K
At
that
time
you
can
transfer
meth
from
one
surface
to
another
via
your
hand,
you
can
swipe
one
surface,
pick
up
enough
and
swipe
it
on
another
surface
and
provide
some
level
of
meth
contamination
which,
if
you
take
that
to
its
logical
conclusion,
is
frightening,
honestly,
that
that
led
us
to
the
library
and
what
we're
going
to
see
when
we
reopen.
We
have
decided
to
areas
that
were
not
necessarily
contaminated
contaminated,
but
potential
areas
for
contamination.
In
the
future.
K
We
have
decided
to
remove
all
upholstered
furniture
from
the
library
that
has
already
been
discarded.
We
have
looked
at
every
single,
commonly
used
piece
of
equipment
that
is
in
the
library
that
is
not
easily
cleaned
and
also
made
the
decision
that
we
will
discard
all
of
those
items
as
well,
and
then
we
are
going
through
the
process
of
the
remediation
of
the
bathrooms.
K
The
library
opened
up
on
what
was
it
two
days
ago
or
yesterday
for
holds
pickup
patrons,
are
welcome
to
come
into
the
library
currently
and
pick
up
their
holds
and
browse
the
fiction,
collection
and
there's
even
actually
a
couple
of
chairs
I
saw
people
sitting
in
yesterday,
but
when
we
reopen
more
fully
I
hope
next
week
after
the
remediation
of
the
the
bank
at
seating
area
is
cleared,
we'll
be
fully
open
to
the
public
and
all
the
cleaning
is
done.
K
The
only
thing,
the
biggest
thing
that
they're
going
to
notice
is,
there
are
no
public
bathrooms.
We
will
have
no
public
bathrooms
for
probably
the
first
three
to
four
weeks
as
remediation
continues
in
those
spaces
and
Remediation
means
really
tearing
out
air
ducts,
removing
some
of
the
contaminated
areas
and
replacing
them
with
new.
That
will
take
some
time
for
those
bathrooms
already
readily
reconstructed.
K
We
have
no
intention
at
any
time
of
reopening
the
bathrooms
for
un
monitored
access
that
is
going
forward,
and
that
is
going
to
be
one
of
the
things
that
when
I
mentioned
that
we
have
2
000
visitors
a
day,
I
guarantee
you
that
the
public
bathrooms
at
the
public
library
are
the
busiest
public
bathrooms
in
the
entire
city
of
Boulder.
We
provide
a
lot
of
bathrooms.
We
are
proud
of
those
areas,
but
we
they
will
be
on
restricted
access
going
forward.
K
If
you
are
a
with
a
child
child
and
or
the
caregiver
of
a
child
under
the
age
of
18,
we
have
children's
bathrooms.
The
children's
area
was
in
no
way
contaminated.
We
will
be
opening
those
bathrooms
to
parents
and
their
caregivers
beginning
next
week,
we're
doing
a
deep,
clean
on
them
as
well
and
actually
cleaning
all
the
air
ducts.
K
So
that
will
be
safe
for
people
to
return,
but
you
will
only
be
able
to
do
it
by
after
interacting
with
a
staff,
member
or
a
security
guard
within
the
library
and
getting
a
key
card
access
to
get
into
those
bathrooms
and
that
will
be
restricted
to
children
under
the
age
of
18
and
their
caregivers.
The
other
bathrooms
we
expect
to
open
up,
probably
in
about
three
to
four
weeks.
K
One
set
of
bathrooms
will
be
restricted
to
staff
access
only
so
staff
a
member
would
have
to
let
a
person
in
if
they
were
having
in
a
medical
emergency
or
had
a
legitimate
medical
condition.
There
are
a
number
of
medical
conditions
which
we
are
required
by
law
to
provide
access
to
the
bathrooms,
so,
for
instance,
somebody
who
has
a
colostomy
bag,
we
have
to
allow
them
access
to
a
bathroom
in
order
to
empty
that
bag.
Someone
who
is
legitimately
has
diabetes.
K
So
to
be
clear,
there
is
no.
There
was
never
a
time
when
any
illegal
activity
within
the
library
was
tolerated.
It
never
has
been
it
never
will
be.
We
call
the
police
in
the
event
of
any
sort
of
crime.
Staff
are
instructed
to
call
the
police
if
they
suspect
a
crime
is
being
committed
if
they
feel
unsafe
or
if
they
feel
like
a
situation,
is
out
of
control.
Our
library
commission
has
approved
guidelines
of
behavior,
which
we
enforce,
with
security
guards
and
with
staff
at
all
of
our
buildings.
K
I
feel
like
those
guidelines,
are
mostly
adequate
to
manage
ordinary
disruptions
and
to
deal
with
the
activities
that
may
disrupt
the
operations
of
the
library
or
inhibit
our
ability
to
provide
safe,
Public
Service.
They
have
been
effective
up
until
this
last
event.
I
do
believe,
and
the
city
has
assured
me
that
we
will
have
adequate
resources
to
increase
the
number
of
security
that
we
have
in
the
building,
as
well
as
increased
level
of
day
Porters,
to
provide
for
a
much
more
extensive
and
committed
cleaning
regimen
on
a
daily
basis.
So
I
think
that's
everything.
D
L
Good
evening
my
name
is
Joe
malinowski
I
serve
as
the
Boulder
County
public
health,
environmental
health
division
manager.
Thank
you
for
inviting
us
to
the
meeting
today.
I'm
sure
you're
going
to
have
a
lot
of
questions
and
we're
going
to
try
to
answer
those.
Today
we
are
prepared
to
really
talk
about
the
sampling
that
was
occurred
to
the
library
we're
more
than
willing
to
come
back.
L
It
sounds
like
there's
going
to
be
a
meeting
in
the
future
more
of
an
executive
session
where
we
can
invite
some
toxicologists
and
really
some
better
experts
than
we
are
to
really
talk
in
depth
and
answer
your
questions,
probably
even
better,
but
Bill
Hayes
should
be
able
to
answer
most
of
your
technical
questions
tonight
regarding
the
actual
Library
contamination.
I.
Think
one
thing
to
keep
in
mind
is
that
this
is
not
a
Boulder
County
issue.
This
is
actually
a
national
issue.
L
We
just
happen
to
be
diligent
in
Boulder,
County
and
and
actually
you're,
following
regulations
and
public
health
guidance.
To
do
this
testing
to
keep
our
citizens
safe
and
that's
why
we've
had
this
program
and
the
way
the
state
does
as
well.
So
again.
Happy
to
answer
any
questions
involving
the
library
and
can
come
back
later
at
another
time
when
we
have
some
more
experts.
So
thank
you
very
much.
D
Great
so
I'm
going
to
turn
to
council
for
questions
but
Joe
if
I
could
just
start
with
one
quick
one
just
that
David
described
some
remediation
approaches
here
are
those
sufficient
to
make
the
facility
in
the
bathroom
safe
for
the
public
to
visit
I'm.
L
M
Bill
Hayes
I'm
the
air
quality
coordinator
at
Boulder,
County,
Public
Health,
as
as
Joe
said,
Public
Health.
We
enforce
the
state,
statutes
and
regulations
on
meth
cleanup.
We
don't
prescribe
how
the
cleanup
is
conducted
but,
as
Joe
said
at
the
conclusion
of
any
remediation,
we
go
back
in
do
testing
and
it
has
to
be
shown
to
be
below
the
limits
and
listening
to
David.
Just
now,
I
was
very
impressed
with
the
steps
they
have
taken.
M
I
think
you
know
there
was
a
number
of
situations
that
you
know
you
could
have
debated
whether
it
was
necessary
to
take
such
a
step
and
in
every
case
they
took.
You
know
the
most
conservative
approach
possible.
M
So
I
am
very
pleased
with
the
remediation
work
they're
doing,
but
as
I
said,
you
know,
the
proof
will
be
in
the
follow-up,
sampling
and
I
would
say:
Quest
Environmental,
who
the
city
hired
to
do
the
initial
sampling
and
who
will
do
the
post
remediation
sampling
is
a
very
good
firm,
Bob
willner
who
led
the
sampling
effort,
is
one
of
the
top
experts
on
meth
sampling
in
the
state.
He
actually,
he
is
certified
by
the
state
to
do
that.
Work
and
he
trains
others
to
become
certified.
So
you
know
you've.
M
Yes
and
and
I'm
also,
you
know
impressed
with
the
steps
that
are
being
taken
to
prevent
recontamination.
N
I'll
start
with
a
public
health
question
in
hopes
that
maybe
bill
you
can
be
in
the
right
place
already
for
the
answer.
But
I
don't
know
if
it's
for
Joe
but
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
community
concern
about
you
know
if
you
were
in
the
library
at
the
time
of
the
contamination.
Might
you
be
in
any
danger
so
hoping
that
you
can
speak
to
that
and
I?
Don't
know
what
the
dermal
transfer
is
that
the
right
word
dermal
in
the
future?
N
If,
if
we
have
incidents
again,
our
our
members
of
the
public
at
risk
either
from
what's
happening
in
the
bathroom
or
from
you
know,
if,
if
somebody
touches
something
in
the
bathroom
and
then
out
in
the
stacks
or
whatever,
and
is
the
risk
any
different
for
adults,
kids,
toddlers,
elderly
yep.
M
I'll,
try
to
remember
all
the
points
to
tackle
there.
You
know
I
should
start
out
by
saying
that
working
on
meth-affected
properties
is
nothing
new
for
Boulder
County,
Public
Health
we've
been
doing
this
for
at
least
seven
years,
but
this
is
the
first
time
we've
dealt
with
a
public
building
and
a
large
space.
M
So
that's
that's
the
wrinkle,
and
so
we've
worked
very
closely
with
the
State
Department
of
Public
Health
and
environment
and
are
even
in
consultation
with
CDC
the
regulations
as
they're
written
and
not
every
state
in
the
U.S
even
has
regulations
for
meth
remediation
and
when
you
look
at
the
handful
of
states
that
do
we're
kind
of
in
the
middle,
some
have
higher
levels
that
trigger
remediation.
Some
have
lower
New
Zealand,
who
perhaps
you
know
as
a
country
is
ahead
of
us
in
addressing
meth.
M
They
used
to
have
a
level
that
was
three
times
higher
than
ours,
and
after
years
of
looking
at
data,
they
decided
that
they
could
raise
that
limit
to
tenfold.
So
you
know
they
have
a
significantly
higher
limit
than
what
we
have
in
Colorado.
Our
Colorado
limit
was
based
on
essentially
a
worst
case
scenario
and
to
your
question
of
who
is,
you
know,
perhaps
at
more
risk.
M
So,
looking
at
that
worst
case
scenario,
the
state
decided
that
a
protective
level
would
be
0.5
micrograms
per
100
square,
centimeters
little
wonky
I
know,
but
so
that
is
what
we
consider
to
be
a
conservative
level,
because
it's
looking
at
essentially
worst
case
scenario,
a
scenario
where
people
are.
You
know
living
exposed
long-term
exposed
most
hours
of
the
day.
So
when
you
take
that
level
and
apply
it
to
a
public
space
where
people
are
only
there
episodically
and
only
a
short
duration,
we
do
feel
that
you
know
if
we
clean
up
to
that
level.
N
If
somebody's
there
and
we
haven't
cleaned
it
up
yet
say
you
know
if
this
happens
again
in
the
future,
is
there
a
significant
risk
of
of
what
we
saw
previously
of
whatever
we
tested
or
and
and
I?
Think
some
members
of
the
public
are
still
a
bit
confused
about
like?
Were
they
at
risk
it?
My
understanding
is
probably
not
much
but.
M
Yeah
and
the
the
most
common
pathway
of
exposure
is
inhalation,
so
you
know,
as
David
was
saying,
had
some
employees
walk
into
the
bathroom
where
they
saw
smoke
inhaled
it
felt
ill?
That's
that's
going
to
be
the
highest
exposure.
M
You
know
if
you
come
in
contact
who
at
dermal
exposure.
Yes,
it
can
absorb
through
the
skin
and
affect
you,
but
it's
it's
a
much
slower
process,
a
much
less
amount
of
exposure,
and
you
know
if
you
go
home,
wash
your
hands
it's
going
to
take
care
of
it.
Also.
What
and
you
know
I
should
clarified
the
reason
that
we
have
such
a
low
standard
conservative
standard
in
Colorado
is
that
there
is
not
a
lot
of
data.
We
don't
have
the
answers
to
all
of
these
questions.
So
please
keep
that
in
mind.
M
You
know
when
I
say
this,
but
what
we
have
seen
in
medical
literature
is
that
when
people
are
exposed
episodically
to
low
levels
of
meth
contamination,
your
body
is
able
to
process
it
excrete
it
out
in
your
urine
within
a
day
or
two.
So
you
know
any
health
impacts
that
you
might
have
especially
dermally.
It
would
likely
show
up
as
a
rash,
but
if
it's
a
heavier
exposure,
you
might
have
headaches
dizziness
fatigue,
but
typically
those
are
going
to
resolve
within
a
day
or
two
after
you're
removed
from
the
contamination.
O
Yeah,
just
a
quick
colloquy.
Thank
you
so
much
for
all
this
information-
and
my
question
is
just
you
know,
because
the
dosage
differs
right
depending
on
body
size
and
things
like
that,
and
so
the
things
you
were
just
talking
about
in
relation
to
Rachel's
question.
Does
that
also
apply
to
children,
or
you
know
younger,
smaller,
basically,
bodies
is
that
still
is
there
anything
that
would
be
different
if
we
were
talking
about
children,
even
though,
as
I
understand
it,
this
wasn't
the
contamination.
There
was
no
contamination
detected
in
the
children's
areas.
M
Yeah
we,
as
I
said
you
know
those
most
at
risk
of
impacts
from
exposure
are
going
to
be
small
children,
and
so,
when
we
worked
with
Quest
environmental
on
the
sampling
protocol,
extra
attention
was
given
to
the
areas
that
you
know
the
children
use
and
hang
out
in
to
be.
You
know
sure
that
we
have
those
areas
properly
cleaned
and,
yes,
you
know
certainly
the
same
dosage
to
someone
my
size
versus
a
little
one.
It's
going
to
impact
that
smaller
one
much
more.
P
Thank
you
for
all
that
information
as
well.
When
I
looked
at
the
test
results,
there
were
three
test
results,
three
test
readings
that
came
in
at
greater
than
yes,
it
is
it's
hard
to.
P
M
I
I
think
I
think
maybe
we've
got
the
decimal
point
in
the
wrong
place.
Okay,
as
and
without
having
the
report
in
front
of
you
but
I
think
actually,
the
detection
limit
of
the
equipment,
I
believe,
is
.013
micrograms
per
100
square
liter
and
the
vast
majority
of
all
the
samples
taken
were
below
the
detection
level
of
the
equipment.
And
so
there
were
a
handful
of
samples
that
came
back
above
the
detection
limit
and
above
the
screening
limit
of
the
regulations.
M
And
that's
that's
the
0.5
micrograms,
and
there
was
only
one
of
those
samples
that
was
outside
of
the
restroom
area
and
that
was
in
the
in
the
great
room
area.
But.
P
M
Oh
I
see
what
you're
saying
that
yeah
the
reports
are.
Sometimes
you
see
that
greater
than
and
yeah
it
leaves
you
questioning,
but
what
it
really
means
is
that
it
it
was
a
non-detect.
M
M
Yeah
I'd
have
to
go
back
and
look
I,
don't
I,
don't
recall,
seeing
any
that
so
back
up,
I'm
I'm
thinking
of
the
sampling
that
was
done
after
we,
sampled
the
air
ducts
and
yes,
you're
right
when
we
sampled
the
air
ducts.
M
There
were
samples
that
were
above
the
top
end
of
the
equipment
and
yes,
75
is
the
top
end
that
the
equipment
can
detect,
and
you
know
at
that
point
you
know
you
have
to
do
remediation
and
get
it
under
the
0.5.
Okay.
M
Ducks
were
okay
right,
but
we
know
significantly
contaminated
and
we
know
we
have
to
remediate
and,
as
David
said
in
in
those
cases,
typically
in
ventilation
systems,
it's
very
impractical
to
think
you
can
get
in
and
adequately
clean
them.
So
it's
just
removed
and
replaced
okay.
P
And-
and
my
next
question
is-
and
this
may
not
be
for
you,
but
a
comment
was
made-
that
meth
is
a
national
problem
which
we
all
recognize.
Has
it
been
a
problem
specifically
in
libraries
elsewhere,.
M
Again,
as
as
Joe
said
at
the
beginning,
I
think
here
in
Boulder
County,
you
know
we
are
addressing
this
more
vigorously
than
a
lot
of
communities,
but
certainly
in
Portland
area
California
Seattle
area.
Yes,
we've
heard
of
other
libraries
with
similar
issues.
I,
don't
know
that
you
know
they've
done.
Testing
and
identified.
I
haven't
heard
specific
levels,
but
just
in
general
you
know
we
hear
across
the
country
of
libraries.
You
know
illicit
drug
use
happening
in
libraries.
P
I
Yes,
I
might
jump
in
on
that
one
and
then
Joanna
Korean,
our
director
of
facilities
and
Fleet,
is
here
as
well.
My
understanding
is
currently
we've
spent
about
fifty
thousand
dollars
on
testing.
We've
also
spent
about
fifty
thousand
dollars
on
this
initial
phase
of
remediation.
What
will
be
remaining
is
the
bathrooms
which
we
are
in
the
process
of
competitively
bidding
right
now,
and
so
those
are
the
the
current
numbers
that
we
have.
P
Q
Q
In
terms
of
the
remediation
specifically
so
to
add
on
what
Christmas
Chuck
was
just
saying:
we're
anticipating
the
re
I
guess
the
remediation
plus
actually
putting
in
new
ducts
and
drywall.
That
kind
of
thing
so
probably
around,
ultimately
it'll
be
around
125
000.
But
we
are
still
trying
to
get
more
bids
and.
R
Thank
you.
My
question
is
more
likely
for
David
we
received
some
emails
and,
as
I
was
reading,
some
of
them
community
members
had
some
solutions
and
I
hear
tonight
you
mentioned
and
thank
you
for
all
the
work
that
you've
been
doing,
but
hey
from
what
I'm
hearing
right
now
is
that
we're
working
on
this?
K
Appreciate
the
question
that
that
is
not
for
me,
though,
thank
you,
Judy
I,
that
that's
a
question
for
the
either
City
facilities
or
the
city
manager's
office.
I,
don't
make
determinations
about
such.
I
Things
but
yeah
I
I
can
jump
in
junior.
It's
a
great
question
and
it's
something
that
I
know.
We've
got
some
folks
that
have
been
looking
at
that
and
there's
a
potentially
a
technology
out
of
New
Zealand
that
could
be
a
meth
detector.
So
we're
going
to
try
and
learn
more
about
that
and
understand,
but
then
I
think
as
David
talked
about
as
well
looking
into
once,
the
remediation
is
complete
is
there?
Is
there
also
a
way
to
ensure
that
there's
monitored
access
to
to
the
bathrooms?
I
K
I
K
There
are
such
things
believe
it
or
not
like
there
are
guards
who
are
trained,
specifically
in
the
health
and
medical
conditions
around
primarily
for
hospitals,
but
also
for
other
kinds
of
facilities
for
monitoring
bathrooms,
and
so
we
will
be
looking
into
getting
guards
certified
in
that
who
can
deal
with
people's
various
health
conditions
to
determine
whether
or
not
to
allow
them
in
a
case
of
emergency
and
also
then,
to
regulate
the
bathrooms,
we
will
be
looking
to
those
guards
to
determine
how
that
access
will
be
managed.
K
D
If
I
could
just
drill
in
a
little
bit,
while
you're
up
here,
David
so
I'm
hearing
that
we're
looking
at
potential
Technology
Solutions,
so
it's
good
to
hear
that
we're
investigating
that
and
but
you're
talking
about
it,
that
a
primary
strategy
will
be
in
terms
of
limiting
and
monitoring
access
to
the
bathrooms.
That's
it
right,
yeah
and
so
you're
still
developing
the
exact
strategies,
but
the
plan
is
to
have
security
that
will
help
prevent
this
from
happening
again.
Is
that.
K
If
you
cannot
go
into
a
bathroom
currently
at
Union
Station,
without
encountering
at
least
one
person
who
is
there
working
and
in
fact,
if
you
actually
ask
for
questions
like
can
I
use
the
family
bathroom,
you
will
find
that
you're
confronted
with
someone
who
wasn't
there
before
within
a
minute
who
is
actually
able
to
give
you
access
to
that
bathroom.
So
there
are
ways
that
I
don't
know
that
ours
will
need
to
be
that
extreme.
But
there
are
certainly
other
communities
that
have
figured
this
process
out.
K
D
K
That
is
correct
and
to
answer
Mark's
question
we
have
been
contacted
since
this
event
by
two
other
libraries
in
the
Front
Range,
who
are
considering
want
to
do
testing
so.
D
And
I
I
think
goes
without
saying,
we'll
be
very
interested
in
your
plans
as
you
develop
them.
So
please
do
keep
us
in
the
loop
I
had
Bob
and
then
Matt
and
then
Rachel
David.
S
This
is
for
you,
if
you
don't
mind
getting
back
up.
David
I,
really
appreciate
you
giving
us
the
recent
history,
the
things
that
have
happened
in
November
and
December,
and
also
your
plans
for
the
future.
So
that
was
great
I'd
like
to
give
you
the
opportunity
to
maybe
back
up
in
time.
I
think
you've
been
the
library
director
here
for
about
10
years,
yeah.
S
And
so
can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
some
of
the
things
that
you
and
your
staff
have
done
by
way
of
security
in
in
the
library
during
the
years
leading
up
to
this?
The
situation,
because
I
I've
heard
that
that
there's
things
you've
done
with
respect
to
security,
with
respect
to
prevention
of
drug
use
and
other
inappropriate,
behaviors
and
I'd
like
to
hear
a
little
bit
more
about
what
you've
done
through
the
years
with
regards
to
them.
Yeah.
K
So
the
library
commission
approved
of
a
guidelines
some
time
ago,
10
years
ago,
at
least
their.
K
And
so
those
behavioral
guidelines
obviously
restrict
any
illegal
activity,
but
it
goes
beyond
that
to
restrict
disruptive
behavior.
It
just
restricts
people
lying
down
in
the
library
unless
they're
under
10
years
of
age.
It
restricts
the
presence
of
any
kind
of
of
drugs
or
possession
of
drugs
or
being
inhibited
by
any
form
of
drugs,
and
that
includes
legal
substances.
We
do
not
allow
for.
If
people
are
presumed
to
be
intoxicated
in
the
library,
we
frequently
ask
them
to
leave.
K
K
We've
done
everything
from
I
mean
extensive
training
on
working
with
the
unhoused
community,
extensive
training
on
de-escalation,
extensive
training
on
how
to
work
with
the
mental
ill,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
I
have
not
had
training
on,
and
my
staff
have
don't
have
either
is
how
to
deal
with
the
person
who
is
high
on
methamphetamines.
That
is
not
something
that
we
have
the
training
for.
K
History
has
been
I've
had
five
security
companies
in
10
years.
You
know
some
really
good,
some
less
good.
We,
you
know
we'd,
go
through
the
competitive
bidding
process.
K
K
We
went
through
a
process
of
of
you
know
disrupting
some
untoward
behavior
in
the
library
and
it
was
pretty
severe
and
I'm
not
sure
that
anybody
I
I,
know
that
I
was
thanked
by
a
lot
of
people,
but
I'm
not
sure
that
we
got
any
good
PR
for
it
and
I'm
not
sure
that
the
police
department
got
any
good
per
for
it,
but
nevertheless
I
worked
and
we
went
through
a
long
period
of
time
where
things
were
relatively
modicum
of
behavior.
K
Like
average,
we
may
have
somewhere
in
the
neighborhood
of
about
two
suspensions
a
week,
so
a
suspension
could
be
you're
in
the
library
and
you
you
know
you
harass
a
staff
member.
You
could
be
suspended
for
30
days.
For
that
you
just
tell
us
after
you
know,
you
know
so
something
like
that.
So
the
severity
of
the
suspensions
are
consistent
with
the
pattern
either
of
disruption
or
in
the
case
of
of
criminal
acts.
K
I
have
the
ability,
through
the
behavioral
guidelines,
to
suspend
somebody
for
up
to
364
days
and
we
use
it
liberally,
as
you
saw
from
the
report
that
we
shared
with
you
a
few
days
ago,
the
communications
here
with
you
a
few
days
ago.
All
of
the
people
who
were
involved
in
this
incident
that
we
could
apprehend
and
identify
as
people
involved
in
this
drug
and
they
were
all
suspended
for
364
days.
K
T
K
Of
smoking,
methamphetamine
in
a
public
area
is
a
is
a
misdemeanor
I,
don't
know
if
there's
any
criminal
sentence.
Our
stance
has
been
that
you
have
basically
forfeited
the
right
to
come
into
the
public
library
for
at
least
a
year,
which
is
the
maximum
that
I
can
give.
We've
had
great
support
from
the
city
attorney's
office
in
terms
of
implementing
those
policies
and
effectively
using
that
everyone.
You
know
the
city's
attorney's
office
as
do
I,
as
do
you
I'm
sure
as
well.
K
We
you
know,
there's
we
take
very
seriously
the
public
having
a
right
to
an
access
to
a
public
building
and
we
don't
hand
out
suspensions
lightly.
We
don't
do
it
for
no
reason
at
all,
but
we
do
hand
out
suspensions,
probably
to
the
tune
of
on
average
80
a
year.
Those
numbers
went
down
in
from
2017
to
2019,
but
they've
come
back
to
80
a
year
roughly
throughout
the
pandemic,
and
I
think
we're
probably
on
Pace
this
year
to
beat
that
primarily
because
of
the
events
in
November
and
December.
E
Thanks
Aaron
David's,
going
to
get
a
workout
tonight
getting
up
down
at
I'm,
not
saying
here
specifically
but
I
just
but
but
while
you're
here
I
mean
I
just
want
to
recognize
you
and
your
staff,
especially
over
the
holidays,
for
having
to
just
deal
with
a
really
difficult
and
impossible
situation.
E
Those
are
times
where
you
should
be
spending
time
with
your
family
and
you
guys
Rose
to
the
occasion
to
try
to
get
this
solved
and
try
to
get
us
to
a
good
place
as
fast
as
possible.
So
thank
you
for
that
and
I
just
want
to
recognize.
You
and
I
know
how
hard
that
is
for
you
and
your
staff,
especially
for
those
that
work
for
you
that
do
the
thankless
job
of
dealing
with
folks
all
day
long
every
day.
So
just
thank
you.
K
Thank
you
very
much
man
and
I
and
I
I
did
intend
to
apologize
the
beginning
of
this.
If
I
seem
in
any
way
untoward
or
impolite,
I
am
I
Am
Naturally
a
somewhat
serious
person.
My
wife
tells
me
that
sometimes
my
seriousness
comes
off
as
I
seem
like
I'm,
angry
or
I'm.
A
patient
and
I
I
assure
you
that
I
am
not
none
of
those
things.
K
I
mean
I'm
I'm
I
am
I,
am
extraordinarily
sad
that
this
event
happened
and
I'm
I
come
I
have
to
keep
reminding
myself
of
the
high
road
and
that
99
of
the
2
000
people
who
walk
in
there
every
day
are
that
using
this
library
for
its
intended
purpose
and
a
small
fraction
of
people
have
changed
now
the
way
the
disposition
of
the
public
library
for
the
immediate
future
and
maybe
for
a
long
period
of
time,.
E
E
My
question
kind
of
come
circles
back
to
something
that
Rachel
brought
up
earlier
and
it
really
kind
of
is
about
maybe
setting
some
of
the
community
at
ease
as
much
as
you
know.
We
might
have
framed
this
as
a
library
piece.
It's
a
public
bath.
There's
it's
a
public
bathroom
concern,
largely
right
and
I,
think
maybe
it's
important
for
us
to
maybe
reframe
it
in
a
public
bathroom
space,
and
so
in
that
concept,
question
I
and
maybe
there's
a
question
for
for
bill.
E
Is
this:
you
know
we're
coming
out
of
pandemic,
so
people
have
hygiene
protocols
there
still
people
have
either
have
them
or
still
wearing
masks,
regularly
wash
their
hands
or
have
hand
sanitizer
at
the
ready.
If
people
are
concerned,
when
they
walk,
maybe
into
a
public
bathroom
that
they
might
be
concerned
about,
would
exercising
those
same
coveted
precautions
that
we've
all
become
habituated
to
are
those
reasonable
precautions
that
people
might
feel
are
safe
would
make
them
safe
if
they're
wearing
a
k,
not
kn95,
not
knowing.
E
If
someone
maybe
had
done
something
in
the
bathroom
10
minutes
or
so
before
them
or
regularly,
wash
or
Pier
all
their
hands
do
do.
Would
people
feel
safe
that
that
habituated
behavior
will
largely
keep
them
safe
if
they
accidentally
come
into
contact
or
or
encounter
a
space
that
meth
had
may
have
been
recently
used
in
yeah.
M
And
I'll
I'll
start
by
saying
that
in
in
my
profession,
I
never
use
the
word
safe.
When
I
hear
safe
I
to
me,
that
means
there
is
absolutely
zero
risk
and
you
know
driving
your
car
to
the
library.
How
has
probably
the
biggest
risk
of
your
day,
but
certainly
covid,
has
changed
how
we
think
about
protecting
our
health
in
public
spaces
and
exactly
what
you
just
laid
out
would
be
beneficial
in
mitigating
the
risks
from
exposure
to
meth.
M
You
know
until
this
year
in
the
last
couple
of
years,
flu
season
was
very
mild
because
all
of
the
precautions
we
were
taking
for
covet
and
so
I
think
people
have
gotten
used
to
that,
and
you
know
if
they
are
concerned.
Certainly
you
know
masking
would
reduce
the
exposure
to
Vapors.
Those
masks
are
primarily
for
particulate
and
not
Vapor,
but,
as
we've
said,
the
meth
contamination
vapor
is
in
droplet
form
and
sticky,
so
it
would
provide
some
benefit,
but
I
think
the
hand
washing
is
the
biggest
piece
I'm
not
sure
hand.
M
Sanitizer
would
make
much
of
a
difference
other
than
the
alcohol
may
be
a
better
solvent
at
breaking
down
the
contaminants.
But
it's
washing,
then
those
contaminants
off
that's
going
to
be
beneficial
and
and
the
first
day
I
went
into
the
library
and
looked
in
the
bathrooms
and
after
all,
my
years
of
experience,
I
couldn't
believe
that
I
did
it,
but
the
insides
of
the
bathrooms
have
beautiful
artwork
on
the
walls
and
I
was
noticing
that
it's
a
non-porous
surface.
It's
an
acrylic,
I
think
which
is
great,
because
that
makes
remediation
easier.
M
U
E
The
rest
of
the
public
bathrooms
here
or
in
other
cities,
it's
just
good,
to
equip
people
with
what
they
think
may
work
and
if
they're
already
habituated
to
it,
then
all
the
better
in
that
capacity.
But
thank
you
I.
M
Appreciate
that
and
if
I
can
just
add,
I
was
talking
with
David
beforehand
and
my
family
are.
We
are
big
users
of
the
Boulder
Public
Library
I
have
a
daughter
that
just
turned
13
and
has
done
the
summer
reading
program
every
year
and
you
know
I,
don't
have
any
hesitation
for
once
the
library
reopens
letting
her
go
back
in
it's
good
to
hear.
K
N
I
think
this
question
may
end
up
being
for
Christmas
check
when
I
Meander
around
to
it.
So
obviously
our
Focus
tonight
is
on
the
library
and
I.
Don't
want
to
distract
from
that.
I
know
we'll
have
a
bigger
conversation.
I
do
want
to,
though,
make
note
that
it
is
a
community-wide
problem.
N
Myth
and
there's
been
a
lot
of
sort
of
vitriol
aimed
at
David
and
the
library
and
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
that
we
I
think
have
sort
of
made
the
library
a
de
facto
day,
shelter
and
David's
risen
to
that
occasion
remarkably
well
during
covid,
and
that
is
something
that
we
should
not
have
asked
the
library
to
be
in
my
opinion
and
that,
like
I,
think
the
buck
stops
here.
For
that
being
the
setup
there.
N
So
apologies,
but
and
David
mentioned
that
this
is
the
number
one
place
that
people
probably
go
to
use
bathrooms
and
that
they
we
will
need
them
to
go.
Probably
somewhere
else,
because
we
don't
yet
have
a
day
services
or
day
shelter,
so
my
question
is:
where
will
people
go
and
how
will
we
keep
those
places
safe.
I
I
Thanks
Rachel
for
that
question,
and
we
do
have
the
public
restrooms,
the
that
are
at
essentially
9th
and
Canyon
that
are
right
around
the
corner
from
the
library.
I
So
there
are
some
public
restrooms
that
are
nearby
while
we're
still
finishing
this
remediation
work
for
the
next
few
weeks
and
our
Parks
and
Recreation
team
is,
is
making
sure
that
they're
doing
everything
they
can
to
keep
those
bathrooms
operational
and
so
we're
the
the
library
staff
will
also
have
handouts
available
to
those
that
are
needing
a
restroom
that
maybe,
during
this
remediation
period,
don't
meet
any
of
the
the
medical
criteria
to
guide
them
exactly
on
how
to
get
there.
I
I
mean
those
restrooms
receive
a
cleaning
and
the
you
know
the
biggest
challenge
that
we
face
is
vandalism
of
those
facilities
and
so
we're
doing
everything
we
can
to
make
sure
that
they
stay
operational.
H
I'm
gonna
go
back
in
time
since
it's
been
about
15
minutes,
I
probably
should
have
colloquied,
but
I
wasn't
on
the
ball.
So
now,
I'm
gonna
have
to
ask
whoever
knows
the
most
about
the
report.
It
says
main
level.
Children's
family,
large,
bathroom
exhaust
vent
cover
0.75
micrograms
and
then
it
said
for
the
main
children's
small
bathroom
1.2.
So
those
are
both
above
0.5.
H
M
So
certainly
the
children's
bathroom
was
significantly
lower,
but
each
of
the
bathrooms
ventilation
system
is
it's
just
an
exhaust
fit
it's
completely
isolated
from
the
main
ventilation
system
for
the
entire
library,
and
so
each
bathroom
exhaust
vent
goes
straight
up
and
out
and
so
for
contamination
to
have
been
in
the
children's
restroom
air
bed.
It
is
most
likely
that
someone
smoked
meth
in
that
bathroom.
M
Is
I
think
you
know
the
highest
I've
ever
heard
of
is
two
thousand
okay,
thank
you,
and
so,
but
the
reason
it
gets
so
high
is
it's
a
additive
process.
M
The
chemical
compounds
in
meth
residue
do
not
volatilize,
they
do
not
decompose,
they
do
not
degrade
quickly
and
so
that
number
of
75
is
really
indicative
of
repeated
use
of
meth
in
the
bathrooms
and
it
accumulates
okay.
Thank
you.
H
Okay,
David
first
I
want
to
thank
you
so
much
for
last
minute
coming
and
for
giving
the
community
of
the
history
and
all
the
details.
It
was
really
meaningful
and
I
have
to
say
that
I
have
total
confidence
that
you
are
gonna,
take
care
of
this
to
the
best
that
it
can
be
taken
care
of
so
I
have
one
question.
You
said
mostly
adequate
in
your
when
you
spoke
that
you
felt
that
everything
the
way
you've
been
dealing
with
the
problem
with
narcotics
and
meth
is
that
it's
mostly
adequate.
K
It's
the
city
code,
you
know,
I
understand
both
sides
right
so
I
mean,
but
I
would
be
perfectly
honest
like
we.
We
have
requested
through
risk
management
and
through
the
city's
attorney's
office
in
the
past
considerations
for
potentially
extending
that
I
have
thanks
to
the
city
attorney's
office.
I
have
I,
have
con
worked
with
the
District
Attorney's
office
for
well
for
quite
some
time
right.
K
They
have
for
that
crime,
the
library
suspension
to
be
consecutive
with
so
someone
may
get
five
years
for
a
sentence
of
a
crime
that
was
committed
in
the
library.
I
can
then
get
a
five-year
suspension?
It's
not
it's
not
a
workaround
Teresa's
staff
is
Teresa's.
Staff
is
the
one
who
advised
me
of
this
like
seven
or
eight
years
ago
that
you?
Why
don't
you
try
to
pursue
this
path?
K
And
so
we
did
I
think
when
I
said
largely
adequate
when
I
said
largely
adequate,
I
meant
the
behavioral
guidelines
have
been
largely
adequate
for
controlling
the
situation.
Any
use
of
drugs
is
a
criminal
offense
and
we
prosecute
to
the
full
extent
that
we
possibly
can
I
I'm,
not
I
cannot
claim
to
be
the
victim.
The
city
doesn't
claim
to
be
the
victim
in
in
crimes
in
instances
where
crimes
have
been
committed.
We've
also
requested
I've
requested
to
be
the
victim
I,
not
just
because
we
want
to
prosecute
and
I.
K
Don't
frankly,
my
staff,
you
know
I,
have
had
in
the
10
years
I've
been
here.
I've
had
four
staff
members
assaulted
by
the
public
I
try
to
convince
them
to
testify
and
to
I've
been
successful
in
one
of
those
four
cases.
Most
of
the
them
choose
not
to
press
charges.
K
For
whatever
reason-
and
in
that
case
you
know
in
the
most
recent
one-
we
did
get
an
exemption
from
the
city
attorney's
office
that
allowed
us
to
this-
that
staff
member
rather
than
to
list
their
home
address
in
The
Testament
to
list
their
home
address.
So
there
are
things
that
we're
doing.
I
yeah
I
mean
my
sense
on
some
crimes
committed
in
the
library.
It's
not
many,
but
there
have
there.
K
There
will
be
one
probably
a
year
or
one
every
other
year,
I
mean
what
I
tell
the
police
is
I,
don't
want
this
person
to
ever
be
back
in
the
library.
Ever
again,
that's
my
you
know.
I
have
worked
in
other
libraries
where
there
wasn't
six
city
code,
that
limited
364
days
and
I
was
capable
of
suspending
a
person's
right
to
be
able
to
come
into
the
public
library
ever.
K
I
but
I
understand
the
reasons
why
we
do
it.
I
mean
we
are
a
public
place
this.
We
all
take
seriously
the
the
right
of
the
public
to
have
access
to
public
space,
so
I'm
I'm,
not
gonna.
You
know
I'll
keep
pursuing
the
possibility
of
extending
that
thing.
I
I
guarantee
you
I'll,
you
know
be
back
at
some
other
point,
complaining
that
I
want
to
have
a
longer
than
a
364
day
suspension.
K
But
it's
not
for
me
to
say
really
that
is
a
that
is
a
we
have
ways
when
people
are
committing
crimes
to
get
them
out
for
longer
than
that
and
I'm
it's
a
it's,
not
a
workaround.
It's
kind
of
like
a
tacit
way
that
we
then
Resort
not
to
the
city
code,
but
rather
to
us,
the
the
county
or
the
league
or
the
state
to
enforce
a
sentence
which
then
allows
us
to
override
the
city
code
of
limitation
of
364
days.
Is
that
an
okay
answer?
Can.
E
E
To
clarify
I
I
think
when
you
said
that
when
there
is
a
sort
of
the
district
attorney
or
when
the
person
is
convicted
of
a
crime
of
a
certain
say
one
year,
that
the
suspension
from
the
library
is
concurrent
not
consecutive.
L
K
W
H
F
K
Has
happened
so
you
know
it
used
to
stick
much
better
right,
I
mean
I,
I,
think
my
experience
during
the
pandemic,
and
certainly
over
the
last
years
we
were
having
a
lot
of
people
walk
right
back
into
the
library
and
we
have
to
tell
them
you're
suspended
for
364
days.
What
I'm
allowed
to
do
is
extend
their
extension,
their
suspension
from
the
date
that
they
come
back
in.
So
we
will
extend
the
suspension
for
that
many
more
days,
so
they're
still
the
date.
K
K
If
they
Pro
I
mean
in
those
cases
when
we
they
protest,
we
call
PD
and
police,
has
them
removed
from
the
facility,
and
we
are
you
know
we
do
often
times,
although
it's
not
something
we
have
access
to
through
the
city
code.
K
K
X
H
K
Y
H
I'm
done
with
this
at
300,
it's
just
I
was
just
saying
it
was
unfortunate.
The
whole
entire
thing
is
unfortunate
that
those
small
amount
of
people
had
such
a
large
effect
on
this
entire
community.
That
is
unfortunate.
H
So
I
just
want
to
say
and
I
can't
speak
for
everybody,
but
I
know
that
for
me,
I'm
here,
for
you
we're
you're
a
partner
of
ours,
and
we
don't
want
you
to
feel
alone
in
this
and
we're
going
to
work
together
and
thank
you
for
everything
and
thank
you.
Chris
staff
and
everybody
that
took
a
part
in
this
security
guards.
You
guys.
D
I
got
Nicole
and
then
come
back
to
Mark
and
we
should
wrap
up
here
pretty
soon,
but
yeah
yeah,
Nicole
awesome.
O
Thank
you,
I
had
just
a
really
quick
one
and
I.
Don't
know
that
it
needs
a
response
from
staff.
It's
more
just
a
a
question
mark.
You
had
asked
about
getting
a
summary
of
kind
of
the
remediation
costs,
as
that
becomes
more
clear
and
I
was
just
wondering
if
we
could
get
one
other
number
for
comparison
there
so
David
as
I
understand
it.
The
libraries
had
among
the
biggest
budget
cuts
in
2020
and
2021
of
City
departments
when
you
reopened.
O
It
was
during
a
time
when
the
homelessness
crisis
and
the
math
crisis
were
kind
of
on
their
way
up
and
when
you
reopened,
you
did
not
have
all
the
staff
that
you
had
had
pre-pandemic,
who
were
helping
the
99
of
people
who
were
not
engaging
and
prohibited
or
illegal
activity
in
the
library,
but
also
staff
who
were
keeping
an
eye
out
for
prohibited
and
illegal
activity.
So
you
basically
did
not
have
all
the
folks
that
you
had
before
so
as
we're
are
looking
at
what
these
remediation
costs
are.
O
I
would
really
love
to
see
a
comparison
of
what
would
it
have
cost
if
we
had
given
you
David
the
staff
that
you
needed
in
order
to
adequately
staff
the
library
to
the
levels
that
you
needed
in
the
first
place
to
watch
out
for
some
of
these
behaviors.
That
I
think
you
were
probably
already
even
noticing
I.
Think
some
of
the
stuff
started
really
kicking
off
in
2019,
even
a
little
bit
before
that.
O
P
Two
very
quick
questions.
The
first
is
to
the
City
attorney.
Is
it
a
simple
ordinance
to
give
David
greater
discretion
in
terms
of
the
length
of
suspensions.
P
Okay,
great
and
the
next
question
is
for
David.
There
are
many
computer
Terminals
and
obviously
some
of
those
are
vulnerable
to
I
guess
tactile
contamination.
Is
there
a
plan
for
how
we're
going
to
deal
with
those.
K
We
have
removed
them
all
from
the
main
Public
Library,
so
there
will
be
I
mean
I'm,
hoping
this
is
a
temporary
action,
but
so
what
I've
promised
my
staff
and
what
I
will
promise
the
public
is
that
we
will
bring
back
some
form
of
public
Computing
at
the
main
library
at
such
time
that
we
feel
like
it's
safe
to
do
so
right
now
the
public
can
use
the
George
Reynolds
and
The
Meadows
Branch
library,
for
public
Computing,
and-
and
this
is
going
to
be
a
major
inconvenience
for
a
lot
of
people
that
I
know
on
a
first
name
basis,
a
lot
of
retirees
and
seniors
in
our
community
who
use
the
public
libraries,
public,
Computing
every
single
day
and
Lynn
I'm.
K
P
K
Know
my
supervised
Chris
mustard
knows
that
Mike
I
think
on
November
24th
said
I
said:
I
will
close
the
bathrooms
and
I
will
restrict
computers
and
I,
and
now
we
are
and
so
like.
That
is
a
possibility
at
the
branch
libraries.
It
will
inquire
additional
resources
because
but
I'm
fully
ready
if
it
becomes
in
any
way,
starts
to
look
like
an
unmanageable
situation.
K
P
D
All
right
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
wrap
this
up
here,
but
yet
submit
good.
E
Not
not
a
question
just
sort
of
as
a
maybe
Preamble
ahead
of
open
comment
and
it's
really
kind
of
to
Echo.
What
council
member
friend
said,
which
is
the
public,
is
justifiably
angry
upset,
perhaps
even
looking
for
blame
and
I'll
just
ask
that
the
community
not
focus
their
ire
at
David
farnan,
our
director
or
his
staff,
or
any
staff.
E
If
you
are
looking
for
blame
and
looking
to
point
that
finger
point
it
no
further
than
this
dice
at
this
Council
and
past
councils,
we
are
those
that
were
elected
to
do
this
job
and
help
lead
this
community
and,
if
you're,
angry
about
how
a
public
institution
or
infrastructure
has
been
managed
or
has
has
been
afflicted
by
the.
A
D
Thanks
for
that
Matt,
so
David
I
just
want
to
say
another
very
large.
Thank
you
to
you
and
to
your
staff
right.
We
of
course
this
the
meth
usage
and
the
meth
contamination.
The
bathrooms
is
absolutely
unacceptable.
D
Thank
you
very
much
for
that
for
working
together
with
us
and
working
so
hard
over
the
holidays,
to
get
the
library
closed
and
to
get
this
remediation
moving
forward.
So
very
grateful
to
all
of
you
for
that,
and
we
stand
ready
here
to
partner
with
you
and
to
take
the
necessary
steps
to
prevent
this
from
happening
again
and
to
make
sure
that
the
library
is
a
safe
place
for
all
going
forward.
D
So
come
back
to
us
with
anything
that
you
need,
and
so
we
look
forward
to
hearing
from
more
about
your
plans
and,
and
let
us
know
about
any
way
we
can
help
to
Terrace
Point,
and
so
with
that
I'll
just
say
again.
Thank
you
to
all
involved.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank
you
for
being
here
all
right,
so
we
are
now
going
to
move
on
to
open
comment
and
I'm
going
to
turn
to
Ryan,
to
read
our
public
participation
guidelines.
C
Thank
you
good
evening,
Ryan
Henson
here
serving
the
people
of
Boulder
as
Community
engagement
manager,
and
we
appreciate
you,
members
being
here
tonight
to
share
thoughts
and
perspectives
during
open
comment
and
our
public
hearing,
as
we
have
slides
coming
up.
I
want
to
clarify
with
everyone
that
the
city
has
engaged
with
community
members
to
create
a
vision
for
productive,
meaningful
and
inclusive
conversations.
C
This
Vision
supports
physical
and
emotional
safety
for
community
members
staff
and
Council,
as
well
as
democracy
for
people
of
all
ages.
Identities
lived
experience
and
political
perspectives.
There's
more
information
about
this
Vision
on
the
city's
website
and
on
the
next
slide.
I
want
to
talk
through
a
few
different
examples
of
rules
of
decorum
found
in
the
boulder
Revised,
Code
and
other
guidelines
that
support
this
vision,
Each
of
which
will
be
upheld
during
this
meeting.
C
All
remarks
and
testimony
shall
be
limited
to
matters
related
to
City
business.
No
participants
will
make
threats
or
use
other
forms
of
intimidation
against
any
person,
obscenity,
racial
epiphats
and
other
speech
and
behavior
that
disrupts
or
otherwise
impedes
the
ability
to
conduct,
meeting
or
prohibited
participants
will
be
required
to
speak
using
their
full
name.
They're
commonly
known
by
individuals
will
display
their
whole
name
before
speaking
online
and
then
from
online
participants.
Only
audio
testimony
is
permitted
with
that
I'll
turn
it
back
to
you
mayor.
Thank
you.
D
AB
AA
Good
evening
Council
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
you
this
evening.
My
name
is
John
nestlich
I
am
here
because
I've
taken
a
deep
interest
in
the
matter
of
of
not
just
Health
but
safety
in
the
library,
primarily
because
of
an
incident
that
occurred
almost
exactly
one
year
ago
with
my
then
14
year,
old
daughter
on
a
Tuesday
afternoon,
1
30
on
a
school
day,
she
wandered
over
from
Boulder
High
School
to
study
and
became
the
victim
of
a
sex
crime.
AA
A
man
hid
behind
some
stacks
and
began
masturbating
within
10
feet
of
her
and
another
young
lady
who
were
studying
together
shocking,
but
then
again,
what's
on
these
Boards
show
the
over
1500
times
that
the
police
or
Emergency
Services
were
called
to
the
library
over
the
last
three
years.
Nothing
new.
AA
In
fact,
I
was
even
more
alarmed
to
learn
that
even
after
meeting
with
Mr
Farnham
and
asking
for
remedial
measures
to
be
taken
that
there
were
eight
further
cases
of
indecent
exposure
in
the
library
since
January
of
2022,
when
this
happened
to
my
my
daughter
and
our
family,
this
isn't
about
just
meth.
It's
about
feeling
feeling
safe
and
protecting
the
most
vulnerable
Among
Us
and
to
be
able
to
utilize
a
public
resource,
whether
you're,
a
child
or
elderly
student
whomever
it
isn't
limited
to
just
meth.
AA
This
is
not
something
that
we
should
take
lightly.
You
asked
some
good
questions,
but
I
think
there's
a
lot
more
questions
that
remain
unanswered,
one
of
which
was
what
happened
to
the
guards
who
just
quit.
That's
what
I
read
in
the
media
accounts
guards
are
supposed
to
be
present,
making
a
difference,
and
yet
it
happened
seven
times
after
my
child
was
victimized,
so
you
know
please
keep
an
eye
out
and
protect
them
more
vulnerable
among
our
community.
Thank
you.
D
AC
A
D
D
AC
Good
evening,
Council
over
the
past
13
months,
I've
been
witness
to
the
city
review
process.
My
wife
has
gone
through
for
her
new
Cafe
she's,
been
paying
rent
on
an
empty
space
prominently
on
Pearl
Street,
without
the
ability
to
do
anything
with
it,
her
hands,
tied
by
Boulder
City,
it's
frankly
been
completely
demoralizing
and
has
taken
a
significant
financial
and
emotional
toll
on
her
on
side.
One
I
believe
my
he
had
submitted
slides.
AC
It
was
a
photo
that
somebody
took
that
written
on
my
space.
Pharmaca
was
better
anything
of
course.
Providing
a
service
to
the
community
would
be
better
than
an
empty
space
for
over
a
year.
The
community
is
tired
of
seeing
I'm.
Sorry
I
think
those
are
the
incorrect
slides.
D
AC
The
community
is
tired
of
seeing
empty
spaces
along
Pearl
Street.
It
does
not
reflect
well
on
Boulder
and
is
a
waste
of
opportunities
for
the
community
to
come
together
in
various
establishments.
It
should
be
the
city's
goal
for
our
spaces
to
be
fully
utilized
for
the
benefit
of
the
community.
Before
my
wife
started
the
review
process,
when
I
saw
these
vacant
spaces,
I
thought
it
was
because
we
didn't
have
demand
for
new
business
here
in
Boulder.
AC
What
I've
now
learned
is
that
it's
because
of
a
broken
City,
Review
process,
each
review
stage
takes
months
and
the
state
of
deadline
is
never
met.
On
top
of
that,
reviewers
do
not
make
themselves
readily
available
to
help
most
egregious
of
all.
The
review
process
is
a
moving
Target
brand.
New
issues
are
brought
up
out
of
the
blue.
Having
never
come
up
in
Prior
Cycles
blocking
the
ability
to
move
forward.
AC
There
should
be
a
goal
to
help
businesses
who
are
eager
to
fill
these
spaces
and
make
meaningful
contributions
to
Boulder,
especially
at
the
small
local
businesses
and
those
started
by
underrepresented
people.
These
are
the
people
who
will
bring
about
the
most
special
contributions
to
Boulder.
If
the
review
process
was
designed
with
this
in
mind,
the
equity
guidelines-
councilwoman
Joseph
inquired
about
it-
would
be
completely
different.
This
is
the
type
of
Reform
I
think
is
warranted.
AC
The
current
system
skews
the
playing
field
towards
chains
and
big
Brands.
The
past
year
has
put
significant
strain
on
our
family
and
there's
no
doubt
that
most
new
small
businesses
cannot
handle
this
process.
It
drains
budgets
and
leads
to
those
new
businesses
failing
before
they
can
even
start
and
when
they
fail
There's
real
damage
caused
to
their
lives,
and
we
lose
out
on
another
small
local
business.
Boulder
could
have
had.
The
community
doesn't
want
Boulder
to
be
taken
over
by
big
corporations,
and
yet
Boulder
City
processes
are
creating.
That
outcome.
AE
Good
evening,
everyone
thank
you
for
holding
this
forum
about
the
situation
in
the
library
and
I
just
want
to
express
my
thanks
for
the
Frontline
Librarians
and
staff
at
the
library
who
I
see
every
day
frankly
doing
work
they
shouldn't
have
to
I.
AE
I
also
want
to
say
that
what
you've
seen
on
display
as
far
as
your
city,
staff's
response
to
all
this
has
been
true
integrity
and
character
on
display
and
is
something
I
get
to
experience
every
day
as
I'm
in
the
library,
this
unbreakable
culture
that
has
not
just
survived
but
been
able
to
help.
Carry
us
through
this
pandemic
by
keeping
one
of
our
treasured
resources
and
public
spaces
open,
isn't
to
be
taken
for
granted
I,
so
I
I
come
with
a
message
of
thanks.
They've
managed
a
tough
situation
for
too
long.
AE
AE
I
used
to
be
a
reporter.
One
of
the
biggest
stories
I
ever
did
was
about
meth.
This
was
20
years
ago
and
to
hear
that
this
is
a
Scourge
that
is
ticking
up
nationally
and
to
now
see
it
here
in
our
prominent
public
and
Civic
use
space.
This
is
something
that
I
am
really
really
motivated
with
you.
If
we
can
partner
with
others
to
look
at
this
holistically.
AE
Meth
is
something
that
just
it
can't
belong
in
our
community
and
and
it's
going
to
take
something
Beyond
a
day,
shelter
discussion.
This
is
a
specific
problem.
AE
The
drug
use
in
our
Civic
and
public
areas
is
going
to
require
a
separate
and
comprehensive
plan
with
action
behind
it.
So
I
appreciate
the
focus
on
okay.
What
happened
in
the
bathroom?
Let's
fix
the
bathroom,
let's
look
more
holistically
at
what's
happening
in
our
public
and
Civic
space,
and
let's,
let's
tackle
this.
AE
AF
AF
Aaron
is
merely
one
politician
who
has
learned
that
betrayal
has
the
biggest
payoff
in
politics:
Governor
polis,
famously
betrayed
anti-fracking
folks,
when
in
2014
he
first
sponsored
and
then
killed
a
ballot
Initiative
for
2500
foot,
drilling
setbacks
and
Biden
said
he'd
be
the
greatest
labor
Champion
since
FDR,
but
actually
prevented
Railway
workers
from
getting
sick
days.
When
he
has
unlimited
sick
days,
he
also
betrayed
his
promises
on
Asylum
Seekers
Etc.
That's
why?
AF
For
over
a
century,
we've
also
had
direct
democracy,
so
that
what
you
vote
for
is
what
you
get
you're
the
third
City
Council
in
a
row
to
allow
or
encourage
staff
on
behalf
of
behind
the
scenes
dark
money
to
obstruct
each
stage
of
our
first
in
the
country
online
petitioning
for
direct
democracy.
That's
71
percent
of
Voters
put
in
the
city
Charter
over
four
years
ago,
but
you've
lost
your
War.
The
city
of
Taipei
is
now
implementing
online
petitioning
for
direct
democracy
from
which
it
will
spread.
AF
T
Good
evening,
Council,
as
to
the
shuffling
of
committee
assignments
on
December
15th,
respectfully
the
decision
you
come
to
in
filling
Tara
Weiner's
seat
as
the
boulder
director
of
the
rocky
flat
Stewardship
Council
is
consequential
in
2024,
the
IGA
that
establishes
the
RF
LMA
contract
with
the
doe
will
be
re-signed
and
continued
for
another
three
years.
Protecting
the
rocky
flat
Stewardship
Council
from
2024
to
2027,
perhaps
even
longer,
unless
a
deficit
of
votes
are
found
to
continue
the
Stewardship
Council
contract
this
year.
T
It
is
appalling
to
me,
but
in
light
of
last
year's
fire,
this
Stewardship
Council
is
a
tabula
rasa.
It
has
nothing
to
say
it
contributes
nothing
to
the
Boulder
County
Health
or
safety
in
the
Safety
Management
in
the
area.
Coloradans
need
to
think
differently
about
the
way
forward
in
region.
8.,
therefore,
with
Boulder
counties,
Rocky
Flats
directorship
comes
an
opportunity
to
answer
the
question
of
why
we
cannot
have
a
comprehensive
fire
plan
for
the
entire
region.
T
AC
Good
evening,
mayor,
council,
I'm,
disappointed
and
frankly
frustrated
I
feel
the
need
and
responsibility
to
speak
tonight
now,
13
months
since
I
began
the
city's
review
process.
My
building
permit
timeline
on
the
first
slide
is
still
not
approved
due
to
new
reason
introduced
at
the
end
of
last
year.
The
constantly
changing
goal
posts
are
yet
another
example
of
how
the
planning
and
development
process
ultimately
suppresses
and
financially
devastates
small
business
owners.
Like
myself
when
I
spoke
at
Council
last,
it
was
noted,
I
had
a
meeting
scheduled
with
building
officials,
Edward
Stafford
and
Kirk
Moores.
AC
For
that
meeting,
my
architect
obtained
an
official
ICC
code
opinion
at
staff's
request
to
resolve
a
difference
in
code
interpretation
between
my
architect
and
Kirk.
The
ICC
opinion
came
back
in
favor
of
my
architect's
interpretation,
overturning
Kirks,
which
the
final
comment
blocking
my
permit
rested
upon.
As
next
steps.
We
were
provided
guidance
on
the
final
revisions
required
for
my
permit
to
be
issued.
AC
We
have
submitted
our
revised
plan
on
December
13th
and
on
December
20th
Edward
called
my
architect
to
inform
her
that
a
revised
plan
successfully
resolved
a
single
outstanding
comment.
However,
there
was
now
a
new
issue,
a
local
amendment
that
had
been
overlooked
until
then,
that
was
now
blocking
my
permit
issuance
how,
after
multiple
review
cycles
and
meetings
over
the
course
of
six
months,
was
a
local
Amendment
not
mentioned
until
the
11th
hour?
Is
this
truly
an
instance
of
oversight
and
job
incompetence?
AC
Or
is
this
something
else
something
worse?
Just
as
I'm
arriving
at
the
finish
line
of
a
13-month
maranathon
mind
you,
a
new
obstacle
is
added
and
the
Finish
Line's
been
pushed
back.
Yet
again,
it
feels
like
pnds
finds
ways
to
impede
progress,
a
sentiment
I've
heard
from
other
business
owners
in
Boulder.
Contrast
to
that
to
the
great
experience
I
had
working
with
the
licensing
department
for
my
beer
and
wine
license
slide
2
the
whole
process
from
application
submission
to
approval
took
three
and
a
half
months
posted
that
deadlines
are
adhered
to.
AC
Requirements
are
clear
and
do
not
change,
and
the
staff
make
themselves
readily
available.
I
share
my
positive
experience,
because
it's
important
to
recognize
departments
that
are
working
planning
and
development
services
is
not
one
of
those.
The
process
is
nothing
short
of
prohibitive
and
critical.
Small
businesses,
minority
and
women-owned
businesses
like
Vine,
will
continue
to
be
casualties
on
the
process
until
process
is
reformed.
AC
D
AG
Okay,
are
you?
Can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
okay,
great
hi,
my
name
is
Doug
Hamilton.
You
probably
all
know
me.
I
was
a
older
Library
champion
and
also
co-chair
of
the
campaign
that
created
a
Library
District.
Thank
you
so
much
for
taking
this
issue
with
the
library
serious
as
it
isn't
a
serious
issue
and,
as
you
know,
or
probably
should
know
that
the
status
quo
is
not
working.
The
problems
that
happened
at
the
library
are
probably
happening
in
every
space
or
every
type
of
space.
In
Boulder,
public
and
private.
AG
If
we
want
to,
we
need
to
start
looking
at
solutions
that
address
the
systematic
problems
that
cause
drug
addiction
and
Trauma
and
without,
and
we
need
to
propose
solutions
that
put
people
in
the
environment
first
above
you
know,
profits
and
property
and
property
values.
Without
that
I,
don't
think
we're
gonna
move
the
needle
on
this
issue.
We
need
to
treat
every
solution
as
a
prototype
and
every
everything
that
we're
doing
as
a
prototype.
AG
We
and
and
it's
okay.
We
might
fail
and
that's
okay,
but
I.
Think
if
you
know
I'm
here
to
support
you
in
you
know
things
that
don't
necessarily
work
because
your
heart's
in
the
right
place
and
we're
trying
to
make
our
city
safe
for
everyone.
Thank
you.
Y
Hello
I
just
want
to
first
and
foremost,
give
a
vote
of
confidence
to
our
Boulder
Public
Library
staff
to
our
library
director.
His
managers
and
my
workers,
who
serve
the
public
everyday
library
and
I,
appreciate
how
they
have
headlines
and
rules
to
our
library.
A
safe
space
for
people
like
me,
and
my
young,
kids
and
I
see
that
happening
with
how
the
situation
is
being
dealt
with.
I'm
looking
forward
to
coming
back
regularly
to
the
main
branch
with
my
family
I
tell
her.
This
is
an
especially
difficult
situation.
Y
Y
It's
a
symptom,
unfortunately,
of
addiction
Nationwide,
which
is
well
documented
if
anyone's
not
familiar
I
recommend
you
read
the
book
Empire
of
Pain
by
Patrick
radhe
about
the
origins
and
impact
of
the
opioid
crisis
in
its
relationship
to
meth
I
hope.
Our
city
leaders
can
plan
a
larger
discussion
about
these
systemic
issues
of
drug
addiction
and
use
in
public
spaces
in
Boulder.
Y
One
of
the
best
things
about
libraries
is
that
they
are
public
spaces.
They
are
democratic
spaces,
they
provide
access
to
information
for
all,
that's
their
mission
and
purpose,
and
that's
why
they're
so
valuable
in
our
society
and
in
our
city
and
as
public
space.
There
are
a
wide
variety
of
people
who
have
access
and
unresolved
issues
in
our
city
will
present
themselves.
Y
The
library
currently
has
a
good
working
relationship
with
the
police
when
a
security
guard
issue
needs
to
be
escalated
at
the
library,
but
our
library
workers
are
not
experts
in
dealing
with
drug
use
or
environmental
contamination
and
I
feel
strongly.
That
part
of
the
resolutions
issue
is
that
Librarians
should
not
be
expected
to
play
that
role.
Y
I've
read
their
plans
to
open
a
day,
shelter
which
certainly
be
a
great
development
for
our
city
and
something
that
has
been
needed
for
a
long
time,
but
a
day,
shelter
that
serves
the
unhoused
will
not
tolerate
drug
use,
so
it
doesn't
really
solve
this
problem.
I
saw
a
council
member
said
in
the
Daily
Camera.
This
would
be
a
problem
for
the
new
Library,
District
of
and
I,
don't
think
that's
fair
dependent
on
an
entity
that
doesn't
even
exist.
Yet
it
will
be
only
a
problem
if
the
city
and
county
doesn't
take
action
now.
N
For
Claire,
if
you're
still
there
and
can
hear
me,
would
you
mind
sending
us
the
book
recommendation
that
you
just
gave
emailing
well
out
to
the
ethers?
If
you
no
longer
have
an
ability
to
unmute
that.
AH
Hi
this
is
Jenna
Jenna
I'm,
also
here
to
talk
about
the
library
issue
and
as
a
person
who
really
loves
our
library
system,
I'm
thankful
for
the
library
staff
who
perform
their
services
every
day.
In
the
midst
of
very
challenging
circumstances,
Library
staff
may
be
among
the
most
visible
City
staff
in
the
downtown
area
on
a
daily
basis,
and
I
am
sorry
that
they
have
to
constantly
be
on
the
front
lines
of
a
growing
issue
that
is
devastating
communities
across
across
the
country.
AH
The
majority
of
people
using
our
downtown
library
are
using
it
for
its
intended
purpose
and
getting
tons
of
benefit
and
Joy
from
it.
Like
me,
for
the
very
small
number
of
visitors
who
have
been
abusing
the
library,
I
am
upset
I,
don't
want
Library
Services
impacted
by
that
small
group
of
people,
but
I
also
don't
want
City
policy
being
impacted
by
a
small
group
of
people
who
consistently
portray
Boulder
and
lately
the
library
as
dangerous
and
crime
ridden.
We
can't
effectively
govern
or
make
policy
from
a
place
of
fear
and
mistrust.
AH
I
also
think
we
owe
it
to
the
library
whose
staff
work
right
in
the
middle
of
the
Civic
area
every
single
day
to
have
a
serious
discussion
about
how
to
make
the
downtown
area
accessible
and
safe
for
everyone,
and
this
policy
should
be
rooted
in
Humane
and
proven
harm
reduction
approaches.
Thank
you.
AI
We
have
a
public
health
emergency
in
Boulder.
Our
indoor
public
spaces
are
being
contaminated
with
meff.
We
have
our
main
library
debacle,
which
is
being
reported
in
the
national
press.
The
community
has
complained
for
a
very
long
time
about
the
drug
use
at
the
library.
In
the
last
three
years
there
have
been
1499
reported
incidents
at
the
main
library
39
of
those
were
in
2022
alone.
Incidents
such
as
drug
use,
assault
harassment,
indecent
exposure,
criminal
mischief,
weapons,
fires
Etc.
AI
There
are
two
police
reports
of
drug
use
on
1223
at
both
the
East
Boulder
rec
center
and
the
boulder
homeless,
shelter
and
meth
was
found
in
the
shower
of
the
homeless,
shelter
according
to
the
Colorado
Department
of
Health
and
public
environment,
even
one
instance
of
mass
smoking
in
a
building
warrants
specialized
testing
and
a
strict
protocol
must
be
followed
for
that
testing
and
any
mitigation.
Do
you
know
that
smoking
meth
can
contaminate
a
building
more
than
manufacturing
it?
AI
Why
are
the
East
Boulder
rec
center
and
the
boulder
homeless,
shelter
not
being
tested
for
contamination,
because
City
officials
decided
that
just
one
instance
of
meth
smoking
inside
the
rec
center
doesn't
warrant
testing?
This
is
false.
Also,
how
does
the
city
know?
There
was
only
one
instance:
the
patrons
of
the
homeless
shelter
and
the
rec
center
deserved
better
than
this
by
a
city
with
half
a
half
trillion
dollar
annual
budget.
The
boulder
Works
Government
website
encourages
illegal
drug
use
in
public
bathrooms.
AI
AI
Were
you
able
to
hear
me?
Yes,
we
can
hear
you.
Oh
sorry,
I
urge
you
to
implement
the
same
security
measures
now
in
the
branch
libraries
that
are
planned
for
the
main
library.
We
need
to
be
proactive
and
not
reactive.
Thank
you.
AJ
Hi
everyone
can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
this
is
Sharon
procopio
I
live
here
in
Boulder.
I
also
happen
to
do
a
lot
of
Engineering
in
town,
so
I'm
very
familiar
with
the
library
and
a
lot
of
our
community
issues
and
I
wanted
to
speak
similar
to
others
just
to
chime
in
in
support
of
the
library
during
this
difficult
issue.
AJ
AJ
This
issue
is
something
that
I
think
we
all
recognize
as
a
community-wide
issue.
I
think
several
people
and
on
Council
have
noted.
This
is
not
a
library
issue,
but
it
is
kind
of
falling
on
the
library
to
handle
these
problems,
given
the
fact
that
we
don't
have
enough
resources
elsewhere,
I've
heard
the
days
shelter
mentioned,
and
it's
true
I
think
that
would
be
a
helpful
aspect,
but
as
a
community
I
think
we
have
to
work
towards
those
Solutions.
Several
other
people
have
already
said
that
as
well.
AJ
V
One
thing
I
know
and
what
is
known
by
every
single
major
drug
treatment
and
harm
reduction
program
in
the
world
is
that
you
cannot
force
people
into
treatment.
Another
thing
that
I
know
is
that
people
do
not
prefer
to
use
drugs
in
public
bathrooms
if
you
are
using.
V
If
your
best
place
to
use
a
drug
is
in
a
public
bathroom
you're
having
a
pretty
day
and
most
likely
a
pretty
life,
I
want
to
point
out
that
when
people
use
methamphetamine
intense,
they
are
causing
harm
to
no
one
but
themselves,
and
yet
methamphetamine
contamination
is
used
as
justification
for
police,
taking
people's
tents
and
worldly
possessions
and
throwing
them
directly
into
dump
trucks.
We
have
this
on
video.
V
It
was
done
by
the
Serb
pro
contractors,
it's
done
by
city
workers
now,
and
it
costs
millions
of
dollars
to
commit
that
of
people's
worldly
possessions,
and
you
do
this
and
wonder
why
anybody
would
smoke
in
the
bathroom,
but
I
also
want
to
fight
the
idea
that
this
is
only
a
problem
caused
by
unhoused
individuals.
It
is
caused
by
our
society's
General
criminalization
and
moralistic
Judgment
of
substance
use,
which
is
not
morally
wrong
and
when
it
becomes
a
disorder,
is
a
medical
phenomenon.
D
D
AK
Good
evening
my
name
is
Aidan
Reed.
Thank
you
to
the
library
staff
for
all
your
work,
I'd
like
to
caution
the
council
against
a
punitive
response
to
this
incident
and,
while
I
understand
the
impulse,
I
think
that
it's
important
to
avoid
a
push
to
continue
to
criminalize
homelessness.
Already
homelessness
is
criminalized
in
Boulder
and
criminalizing.
It
does
not
actually
reduce
the
risks
that
come
with
it.
Nor
does
it
reform
the
conditions
that
created
in
the
first
place.
AK
We
know
that
substance
misuse
mental
illness
and
housing
and
security
are
interlinked
and
a
response
should
reflect
that
a
punitive
response
is
insufficient
because
it
will
displace
crime
rather
than
reduce
it.
A
rotating
cycle
of
incarceration
and
subsequent
release
back
into
the
same
conditions
that
created
substance
misuse
in
the
first
place,
isn't
a
sustainable
model
of
Public
Health.
Nor
is
it
a
sustainable
model
of
public
security.
AK
What
is
required
instead
are
a
comprehensive
wraparound
services
and
sustained
funding
and
I
hope
that,
instead
of
pushing
to
continue
to
sweep
homeless
camps
and
make
it
illegal
to
camp
in
general,
the
council
will
consider
ways
to
ameliorate
the
conditions
that
create
homelessness
and
substance
misuse.
In
the
first
place,
the
council
has
the
power
to
set
the
priorities
for
Boulder
and
I
hope.
You
will
consider
what
public
health
measures
are
actually
effective
and
make
Boulder
a
safer,
more
pleasant
Community
for
all.
Thank
you.
AL
As
someone
who
loves
this
Library
loves
the
staff
who
worked
there
and
the
ends,
who
has
benefited
enormously
from
the
library
as
a
mother
and
a
resident
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
the
city
and
the
libraries
for
working
through
this
incident
swiftly
and
for
taking
action
to
fix
and
remediate
the
building
space
so
that
it
can
reopen
safely
again.
I
also
want
to
commend
our
Librarians
for
regularly
handling
difficult
incidents
and
problem
behaviors
from
the
public.
AL
Now
the
city
faces
a
much
more
complex
and
wide-reaching
problem
that
led
us
here,
I'm
glad
to
see
to
see
the
city
council,
taking
leadership
and
accountability
and
looking
at
this
incident
as
a
symptom
of
a
larger
issue
for
the
region.
Thank
you
to
the
council
in
advance
for
giving
our
libraries
the
necessary
support
in
dealing
with
the
specific
issue
and
for
protecting
these
space
spaces
for
everyone,
including
staff,
so
that
we
can
all
get
back
to
enjoying
one
of
Boulder's,
most
loved
Community
spaces.
AM
Hi
I
just
want
to
Echo
what
a
lot
of
other
folks
have
said
on
the
topic
of
sort
of
addressing
responding
to
methamphetamine
use
in
the
library
and
and
Echo
that
I
would
discourage
the
city
from
adopting
a
a
punitive
response.
As
another
speaker
said,
there's
been
a
lot
of
discussion
of
focusing
on
security
and
enforcement
in
the
context
of
the
library
in
response
to
this
issue,
and
the
reality
is
that
because,
as
many
Elders
have
said,
this
is
not
just
a
library
issue.
Enforcement
will
not
fix
this
right.
AM
Enforcement
drives
people
further
to
the
margins
of
society
and
makes
them
increasingly
desperate
and
rather
than
using
meth
in
places
that
are
safer
for
them
and
for
others
to
the
extent
that
it's
safe
to
use
men
at
all,
but
we're
going
to
save
it
for
them
brothers.
They
end
up
using
the
places
like
the
library,
bathroom
and
increased
enforcement,
and
response
to
this
is
going
to
drive
people
to
find
other
places
that
are
going
to
probably
be
even
less
safer
than
and
the
community.
AM
So
if
we
really
want
to
address
this,
what
we
need
are
Services.
We
need
safe
use
sites,
we
need
free,
involuntary
addition,
addiction,
treatment
programs
provided
unconditionally
and
I
think.
Most
importantly,
we
need
services
that
people
actually
want
to
use
if
we
look
to
homeless
services
in
the
city.
AM
A
C
Looks
like
Matthew
Reynolds
is
not
in
the
meeting
we'll
go
to
Ryan
Harwood.
AN
Thank
you,
Council
Eric,
but
I
live
in
Boulder.
I
also
wanted
to
speak
on
the
library
tonight.
I
really
appreciate
both
City
Library
staff,
as
well
as
the
city
council
for
talking
about
this
tonight.
AN
This
I
appreciate
the
remediation
efforts
and
that's
the
the
public
spaces
being
able
to
be
opened,
but
going
forward.
I
would
really
like
to
see
the
city
council
address
through
causes
here.
That's
you
know.
We
need
a
day
shelter
for
our
people
experiencing
homelessness
and
that
people
have
services,
for
we
have
services
for
people
experiencing
addiction
and,
what's
what's
not
helpful,
which
is
the
further
criminalization
of
people
suffering
from
addiction
and
homelessness.
That's
not
helpful,
hosting
police
officers
in
our
library
is
not
helpful
and
has
some
seriously
harmful
effects
to
marginalized
communities.
AN
So
it
sounds
like
this.
Closure
was
out
of
an
abundance
of
caution
and
that
further
investigation
found
no
additional
contamination,
and
the
officials
running
our
library
should
be
commended
for
quickly
moving
to
address
this
problem,
and
so
I
hope
council
is
thoughtful
in
ways
to
address
the
root
causes
of
these
problems
in
the
future.
Thank
you.
AB
AB
Now,
when
the
tent
ban
was
being
proposed,
I
distinctly
remember:
Chief
Harold,
saying
the
police
department
needed
the
ability
to
steal
people's
tents
on
site,
because
people
were
using
drugs
in
them.
I
wonder
where
those
drug
users
went.
It
is
such
a
mystery
to
me.
You
know
if
the
past
50
years
of
drug
policy
tells
us
anything
criminalizing.
Drug
users
makes
them
stop
using
drugs,
I'm
being
sarcastic.
Of
course,
the
War
on
Drugs
has
resulted
in
massive
increases
in
drug
use
and
Boulder
is
no
exception.
AB
Look
you
took
people's
tents
away,
so
homeowners
wouldn't
have
to
see
poverty
and
a
subset
of
those
people
use
map.
Those
people
found
the
next
best
secluded
place
to
use
the
library
bathroom.
It's
really
that
simple
I'm
not
making
excuses
for
anyone.
It
sucks
that
the
library
is
closed,
but
people
are
going
to
use
drugs
most
of
the
people
making
comments
tonight
use
drugs.
AB
The
difference
is
we
have
homes
to
use
our
drugs
in
almost
people,
don't
so
they're
going
to
find
the
next
best
thing
now
you're
going
to
have
a
bunch
of
people
here
talking
about
how
we
should
do
more,
what
caused
the
library
to
shut
down
in
response
to
the
library
getting
shut
down,
more
criminalization,
more
cops,
harder
punishments
and
so
on,
and
so
on.
I'm
sure
the
War
on
Drugs
will
work
this
time.
AB
Here's
the
deal
people
are
going
to
use
drugs,
whether
you
like
it
or
not,
say
a
few
sites
and
decriminalization
are
what
keep
our
public
spaces
drug
free.
You
can
either
listen
to
Decades
of
evidence
in
all
the
experts
in
addiction
and
homelessness,
or
you
can
listen
to
the
people
who
want
to
make
a
Guantanamo
Bay
for
homeless
people.
The
choice
is
yours.
C
D
I
I
think
we
just
had
one
David
farnan
would
like
to
address
some
of
the
speakers
related
to
the
library.
K
Yeah,
my
no
I
I
would
apprec
just
the
opportunity,
so
I
am
we'd
have
to
check
with
Chief
Herald
I.
Believe
the
data
shared
on
the
number
of
calls
to
the
public
library
the
Public
Library
address
is
given
out
for
all
kinds
of
calls
downtown
into
the
sub
Public
Service
to
the
park.
So
they
list
the
address,
including
areas
under
the
library
and
encampments,
and
a
lot
of
different
other
things.
K
So
I
don't
need
the
exact
number
I
believe
I
I
have
memory
of
six
actions
of
sexual
deviancy
in
the
library
in
the
past
10
years.
I
know
of
two
this
year
and
I
do
not
want
to
in
any
way
have
this
construed.
It's
disparaging
I
am
a
parent
as
well.
This
is
a
very
serious
offense.
The
police
also
filed
a
police
report
and,
that's
instance,
I
mean
we
take
everything
seriously.
K
We
captured
surveillance
cameras
and
identified
two
people
who
we
thought
were
suspects.
We
shared
that
with
PD.
They
were
able
to
identify
an
individual.
They
gave
us
the
name
of
that
individual
and
I
believe
sought
him
out.
I
do
not
know
if
they
made
contact.
My
staff
took
that
name
and
I
know
for
a
fact
that
that
person
has
at
least
five
convictions
of
of
public
indecent
public
exposure.
I
have
stayed
in
touch
this
entire
time
with
the
officer
who
opened
that
case.
K
That
gentleman
came
back
into
the
libraries,
probably
two
months
after
the
incident,
which
was
reported
to
you
this
evening.
He
was
again
at
this
time
witnessed
by
an
adult
male
who
agreed
to
testify
and
to
give
his
number
I
shared.
That
number
with
PD
I
do
not
know
if
PD
was
ever
able
to
make
contact
with
this
individual
I
know
that
we
suspended
him
for
364
days.
I
know
that
only
a
few
weeks
ago
he
walked
into
a
different
Library
within
the
Boulder
Public
Library
System.
K
My
staff
immediately
identified
him
from
us
having
shared
his
photo
and
expressed
the
seriousness
of
someone
in
our
library
who
was
a
sexual
deviant
and
they
immediately
called
the
police
that
person
again
fled.
I
do
not
know
if
the
police
have
ever
made
contact
with
the
individual
I
think
they
did
initially
in
order
to
identify.
He
was
I
am
unsure
where
he
lives.
I,
don't
have
any
of
that
information,
but
I
assure
you.
I
have
the
officer
the
case
manager.
K
The
number
on
my
desk
and
I
remain
in
contact
with
that
case
manager
of
that
case.
To
this
day,
I
mean
I
sent
an
email
two
weeks
ago,
when
he
or
when
the
when
this
gentleman
walked
into
one
of
our
other
libraries.
He
there
was
no,
he
had
no
offense,
but
he
is
trespassed
currently
from
the
library
for
364
days,
I'm
unaware
if
he
has
been
arrested
or
convicted
of
any
crime
in
the
city
of
Boulder
and.
D
N
I
have
a
couple:
I
mean
it's
been
a
while,
since
we
heard
from
the
public.
So
thank
you
all
for
being
here
and
we
probably
all
have
a
lot
of
questions.
So
first
is
on
Jess
who
testified
twice
this
situation.
I
think
it
would
be
helpful.
We
hear
this
so
often
that
it's
hard
to
get
through
Planning,
Department
Services
and
it's
hard
to
get
through
to
someone
and
it's
clunky
and
and
costing
people
money
and
the
the
sort
of
bigger
actors
can
get
through
it,
but
the
mom
and
pops
can't
so.
N
Can
we
get
another
update
on
on
how
we
I
mean
we
really
I
think
need
to
improve
the
whole
system,
and
somebody
shouldn't
have
to
come
to
council
once
let
alone
twice
to
get
through
the
Hoops.
So
an
update
on
that
would
be
great
on
her
situation
as
well
as
the
whole
like.
What
are
we
doing
to
make
it
usable.
U
Hi
good
evening,
Council
Brad
Miller,
director
of
Planning
and
Development
service,
so
sorry
to
duplicate
two
things,
just
wanting
to
address
the
specific
case
and
then
the
more
General
comment
that
you
speak
to
councilman
friend
after
Miss
Lou
spoke
this
this
last
time
a
couple
months
ago.
She,
as
as
she
noted,
already
had
a
meeting
in
plan
in
place
with
our
staff
and
we
followed
through
on
trying
to
process
a
building
permit.
U
We
did
make
a
mistake
in
that
case
and
not
flagging
something
early,
and
that
has
that
that
has
been
followed
up
from
a
Personnel
standpoint,
but
we've
acknowledged
that
and
then
advised
her
of
of
the
regulation
for
spring
clearing
in
this
case.
But
at
the
same
time
certainly
I
asked
staff
to
dig
deeper
into
you,
know
creative
possibilities,
and
this
week
we've
we've
been
able
to
do
that
and,
as
I
reported
in
my
meeting
with
her
this
afternoon
for
a
couple
hours.
U
W
D
U
Communication
with
the
office,
as
you
may
recall,
the
service
Hub
was
opened
last
spring.
This
is
the
in-person
site
that
we
have
open
at
the
New
Britain
building
from
10
o'clock
till
four
o'clock
Monday
through
Friday.
We
have
received
feedback
as
that
ramped
up
that
people
were
not
aware
of
that.
So
we
will
redouble
our
efforts
to
kind
of
make
sure
that
that
word
gets
out.
I
appreciate
it.
Actually,
the
the
suggestions
from
Miss
lewd
this
afternoon
about
how
we
can
put
that
on
people's
emails
and
some
things
like
that.
We
do.
U
It
is
a
big
culture
shift,
because
for
literally
for
decades
there
was
a
common
counter
for
in
real
time
use
of
specialist
subject
matter
specialist
that
was
very
expensive,
and
so
now
we
have
an
appointment-based
kind
of
situation
where
people
can
come
in
to
get
routing
and
Direction
on
information,
but
then
make
appointments
as
well.
U
But
we
acknowledge
that
that's
an
area
of
communication
that
we
need
to
do
better
and
just
even
in
the
last
month,
I've
heard
about
that
and
again,
these
These
are
the
steps
we
need
to
do
in
in
kind
of
Shifting
the
culture
that
went
all
virtual
suddenly
for
for
two
years
and
now
is
coming
back
out
of
that
and-
and
we
know
we
can
do
better
and
we've
got
steps
in
place
and
I'll
be
happy
to
provide
some
details
about
that
to
council
as
well.
I.
N
H
H
U
The
we
are
working
out
how
to
refund
the
parts
that
we
can,
which
is
the
fees
for
service
and
those
types
of
things,
and
there
are
limitations
on
being
able
to
refund,
for
example,
sales,
tax
and
development
impact
fees
and
those
types
of
thing.
Council,
Members.
Z
The
city
is
not
liable
for
the
time
that
the
regulatory
process
takes
unless
there's
a
prescribed
time
period,
and
we
violate
that
time
period
and
we're
found
liable
here.
There
is
a
suggested
time
period
that
can
be
extended,
and
so
that
is
it's
simply
not
a
liability
that
the
city
incurs.
H
It
must
cost
a
huge
amount
of
money,
and
it
really
is
true
that,
if
we're
trying
to
get
local
businesses
to
be
successful,
how
is
that
going
to
happen
under
these
circumstances,
when
I
walk
down
Pearl
Street
in
Westborough,
there
are
so
many
four
lease
signs,
and
likewise
I'm
like
oh
I,
guess
we
we
can't
lease
these.
Maybe
that's
not
even
true.
Maybe
we
just
can't
get
the
approvals
is.
U
U
I,
think
I've
described
to
council
before
a
couple
years
ago
before
I
started
and
is
being
implemented,
really
resulted
actually
in
the
development
of
the
department
being
formed
two
and
a
half
years
ago
to
speak
to
any
individual
permit
or
or
generalize
about
a
time
frame
is
difficult
because
some
permits
can
take
years
if
there
are
things
that
are
not
being
addressed
or
if
it's
simply
goes
dormant,
so
I'm
always
reluctant
to
try
to
say
that
a
particular
time
frame
is
accurate
or
not
accurate,
given
or
meaningful
based
on
on
specific
circumstances,
but
as
I've
talked
with
most,
if
not
all
of
you
certainly
there's
been
a
anecdotal
evidence
and
and
we've
also
have
our
performance
metrics.
U
That
show
that
those
turnaround
times
are
not
what
our
performance,
indicators
and
and
goals
are
I.
Think
I've
shared
with
you
more
recently
too
that
particularly
in
our
plan
review
we're
not
making
our
performance
goals
and
we've
been
taking
steps,
including
hiring
contractor
help
a
couple
months
ago
to
help
us
get
to
that
point.
I've
got
a
meeting
with
that
group
safe
belt
here
in
the
next
couple
of
weeks,
just
to
reinforce
our
need
and
double
down
on
on
their
services
as
well.
H
A
N
I
There
I
have
heard
that
there's
a
copy
of
a
police
report
that
is
circulated
around
on
the
on
an
incident
that
occurred
the
evening
of
December
23rd,
which
is
when
we
were
conducting
Sheltering
operations
at
the
East
Boulder
rec
center
and
Community
Center.
That
police
report
specifically
references
an
individual
who
was
found
that
had
a
blue
pill
on
tinfoil,
which
typically
is
associated
with
fentanyl,
not
methamphetamine.
AO
Good
evening
mayor
members
of
council,
Ali
Rhodes,
director
of
Parks
and
Recreation
and
Chris
Chris,
has
the
facts
accurate.
There
was
an
incident
the
evening
of
December
23rd,
the
police
were
called
and
an
individual
was
arrested
and
we
have
confirmed
with
PD
after
some
Community
questions
that
this
was
not
a
methamphetamine
related
incident.
N
Thanks
Sally
next
question:
there
was
someone
mentioned:
we
should
be
cleaning
the
homeless,
shelter,
we
don't
operate
the
homeless,
shelter,
correct.
N
And
then
my
last
question
is
several
speakers
mentioned,
or
sort
of
emphasized,
Public,
Health
aspects
and
needed
responses
to
the
math
epidemic.
Obviously
we
aren't
Public
Health,
that's
the
county.
So
are
we
talking?
Are
we
in
Communications
with
the
county
about
what
what
they're
planning
to
do
in
response
to
what
is
clearly
a
growing
epidemic.
I
I
D
H
I
know
oops,
that
was
my
stool
fun
night
here,
I
know
John
that
you
wanted
to
say
something
as
well
and
we
don't
have
the
back
and
forth.
So
if
you
want
to
contact
us
in
email,
that
would
be
good.
H
O
Thanks
just
two
relatively
relatively
quick
things,
one
of
them
I'm
not
sure.
Actually,
if
anybody
can
answer
this
because
I
think
it's
more
of
a
county
thing,
but
I
will
just
ask
it
in
just
a
quick,
yes
or
no.
If
we
do
or
do
not
have
the
information
for
it.
One
of
the
speakers
mentioned
that
the
Boulder
County
Works
website
tells
people
to
use
public
restrooms
to
use
drugs.
I
know
that's
a
county
program,
but
can
anybody
confirm
that.
O
And
then
I
think
the
other
question.
This
is
one
one
for
David
and
David
I.
Don't
need
a
long
answer
here,
because
I
know
we
are
getting
late,
but
just
you
know
any
any
quick
things
that
you
can
say
here.
O
I
heard
some
of
the
concerns
about
what
increased
security
would
look
like
as
the
library
reopens
and
I'm
just
wondering:
how
will
we
keep
the
library
a
welcoming
space?
What
what
are
your
plans?
I
mean
I
know
it's
one
of
the
most
welcoming
places
in
our
community
and
you
know:
will
the
security
be
armed,
you
know.
How
can
we,
how
will
we
avoid
profiling
people
with
this
added
security,
yeah?
Well,.
K
AO
K
No
intention
of
bringing
armed
guards
back
the
guards,
the
The
increased
guards
that
we
are
intending
to
hire
Nicole
are
essentially
bathroom
monitors.
We
don't
I,
don't
don't
know
that
there'll
be.
You
know
there
are
questions
about
uniforms
and
that
kind
of
thing
or
whether
they
wear
a
polo
shirt.
I,
don't
really
know,
we've
never
hired
them
before,
but
we're
going
to
be
hiring
a
type
of
guard
that
can
actually
make
judgments
based
upon
someone's
health
condition
and
be
able
to
allow
people
into
the
bathrooms
on
a
regulated
basis.
K
P
P
A
U
We
are
very
close
to
thinking
it'll,
be
ready
to
go
so
very
detailed
analysis
that
allowed
us
to
find
a
way
to
not
require
sprinklering
and
that
analysis
is
being
written
up
by
Edward.
It's
taken
a
little
while
he's
got
bronchitis
right
now,
so
we
anticipate
that
that,
given
to
her
architect,
oh
the
architect
will
be
satisfied
with
that.
We'll
get
the
final
plans
and
then
be
able
to
release
it.
P
U
X
P
Months
for
1600
square
feet
seems
yeah
a
little
out
of
line.
U
So
six
months
of
that
was
a
zoning
review.
It
required
a
minor
modification
that
that
the
my
understanding
is
the
building
owner
was
not
aware
of,
and
then,
after
that,
we
we
started
the
review
a
couple
months
into.
U
That
is
when
you
know
that
was
the
dead
of
the
summer
when,
when
some
of
those
things
that
I
alerted
to
in
terms
of
service
delivery
were
happening,
we
subsequently
found
about
the
the
fire
sprinkler
issue
a
couple
months,
then,
to
entertain
a
potential
analysis
from
the
the
national
code
folks
and
then
and
then
the
last
month
or
so
working
through
a
creative
alternative
to
that
and.
P
My
last
question
is:
how
long
did
it
take
the
Macy's
developers
to
get
their
permits,
which
is
really
a
way
of
asking?
Are
we
treating
large
spaces
and
large
developers
differently
with
a
different
level
of
priority
than
small
businesses,
and
is
that
appropriate.
U
Well,
it
isn't
appropriate
and
I
feel
confident
that
we
are
not
doing
that.
We
did
do
some
analysis
when
you
all
asked
us
that
question
I
think
a
couple
months
ago
and
I'd
be
happy
to
to
provide
that
again
to
the
best
of
our
knowledge
in
looking
at
the
metrics
and
such
there
is
no
systemic
treatment
of
large
versus
small
now.
Is
it
possible
that
larger
groups
can
turn
around?
You
know
have
Consultants
who
can
turn
things
around
quicker?
U
Possibly
you
know
larger
larger
cases
take
longer
for
us
to
review
too,
but
we
weren't
able
to
identify
anything
that
was
systemic
in
that
regard.
D
F
Forward
but
I
would
like
to
know
sort
of
more
about
what
triggered
this
minor
mod.
That
or
you
know
the
six-month
review
for
this
smaller
space
that
they
were
that
the
building
owner
was
potentially
unaware
of,
as
well
as
what
you
mentioned.
Some
streamlining
I
think
we
could
use
some
more
detail
on
what
that
looks
like,
as
well
as
what
permitting
times
are,
and
you
know,
I'm
gonna
sort
of
harp
on
the
same
thing
that
I've
been
bringing
up
before,
which
is.
F
Are
we
really
staffed
enough
to
bring
forward
these
projects
and
you
know
to
go
through
permit
process
in
a
timely
manner,
while
also
doing
the
work
that
we
as
Council
have
on
our
work
plan?
I
mean
I
know
that
those
aren't
necessarily
overlapping
positions
but
sure
they're.
You
know
both
very
important
I
think.
U
For
this
Council,
just
to
speak
to
the
the
one
piece
of
you
know
a
department,
that's
got
many
different
kind
of
Permitting
things.
The
the
plan
review,
we
we
are
not
staffed
enough
and
we've
been
trying
to
hire
a
position
now
for
some
time
we've
been
trying
to
hire
a
chief
building
official,
which
I've
shared
with
you
all
are,
are
really
disappointing.
U
Failure
on
having
thought
we
filled
that
and
then
didn't
Council
was
very
supportive
in
giving
us
another
position
for
a
plans,
review,
expert
and-
and
we
are
actively
and
and
aggressively
trying
to
fill
that,
but
with
limited
success,
which
is
why
we've
hired
safe
build
some
months
ago.
They
have
made
a
dent,
but
it's
been
more
of
a
plateau
than
an
improvement.
That's
why
meeting
with
them
to
see
how
we
then
take
it
up
the
next
Notch
to
to
keep
improving.
U
AF
R
R
I
think
you
have
to
do
your
best
to
overcome
those
challenges,
and
tonight
I
didn't
hear
that
and
I'm
frustrated
for
her
coming
here
again,
it's
been
several
months
since
she's
been
coming
here
discussing
the
same
issue
and
it
should
not
be
happening
again.
It's
a
small
business.
We
have
to
do
better,
buy
or
small
businesses.
Thank
you.
So.
I
I'd
love
to
jump
in
here
and
just
appreciate
the
concern
that
council
members
are
raising
and
really
also
thank
Brad
for
addressing
the
questions
and
trying
to
be
as
as
open
and
clear
as
possible
and
I.
Think
Brad's
been
clear
that
that
his
team
has
been
working
and
focused
on
improvements
in
Service
delivery
and
and
the
experience
that
the
department
is
having
in
some
of
their
service
delivery.
I
They
know
is
not
meeting
the
standard,
but
they're
they're
working
day
in
and
day
out,
Brad
and
I
have
had
regular
con
communication
on
on
the
efforts
that
they
are
doing
to
continue
to
work
to
improve
their
services.
So
I
just
want
to
to
thank
Brad
for
the
work
that
they
are
doing
and
know
that
and
emphasize
to
counsel
and
the
community
that
this
is
an
area
that
we
are
focused
on.
I
U
D
You
that
would
be
helpful
Brad.
Maybe
tomorrow
we
could
get
some
additional
detail.
Okay.
That
brings
us
to
the
end
of
open
comment.
So
we're
now
going
to
move
on
to
yes
and
I'll
just
point
out.
It
is
8
8
15.
we
still
have
two
substantive
matters
to
to
get
through,
so
I
will
try
to
be
efficient
from
here
on,
try
to
be
efficient
going
forward.
Okay,
so
we
got
a
consent
agenda
items
Elisha.
If
you
could
take
us
into
that.
Please,
yes,.
F
D
I
Mayor
Brockett,
I
think
there's
just
one
clarification
and
there
was
one
item
in
the
consent
agenda
item
3E,
which
is
the
commit
committee.
Appointments
for
Council
I
think
we
had
an
error
when
we
produced
those
materials
on
one
of
the
committee
assignments
for
the
rocky
flat
Stewardship
Council.
We
listed
that
as
vacant
and
I
think
councilman
Winder
is
going
to
continue
to
serve
on
that
committee.
D
You
have
our
deep
gratitude,
Tara
for
continuing
to
serve
on
that.
So
perhaps
Mark
you
might
amend
your
your
motion
to
include
that
alteration.
I
am.
P
Amending
my
motion
to
include
passage
of
three
e
to
reflect
the
continuation
of
Tara
weiner,
respect
to
Rocky
Flats.
AF
D
Good
yeah,
let's.
K
D
B
Yes,
sir,
our
call-up
check-ins
are
item
four
on
tonight's
agenda.
4A
is
the
concept
plan
review
and
comment
for
proposed
Redevelopment
at
2801
J
road
to
include
84
for
sale
dwelling
units
ranging
from
1050
square
feet
to
1800
square
feet
consisting
of
town
home,
duplex
and
Triplex
housing
types.
The
plan
proposes
40
percent,
that
is
34
middle
income
and
affordable
units.
The
percent
of
affordable
housing
community
benefit
will
be
finalized
through
annexation.
This
is
reviewed
under
case
number,
lur
2022-00038.
D
AP
AP
So
the
purpose
of
the
concept
plan
is
to
review
these
acid
development
proposal
and
identify
key
issues
in
advance
of
more
detailed
submittals.
So
the
applicant
receives
comments
from
the
Clinton
board
staff
and
the
public
and
city
council.
If
you
choose
to
call
up
the
item,
the
planning
board
held
a
public
hearing
of
this
item
on
December
6th.
AP
This
proposal
is
an
unincorporated
from
the
county
Northeast
of
the
intersection
of
20
East
and
Jay
Road.
It's
immediately
east
of
City
Limits
and
the
4.58
Acre
Site
contains
the
existing
City
Church
Boulder
building
the
subject.
Property
is
in
area
two
of
the
bbcp,
which
is
the
area
under
County
jurisdiction
where
annexation
can
be
considered
and
the
underlying
bbcp
land
use
designation
is
public
which
reflects
the
current
religious
assembly
use.
The
proposal
would
involve
a
request
to
change
the
Landry's
map
designation.
AP
AP
District
The
Proposal
consists
of
84
drawing
units
on
P,
simple
Lots
in
town
home,
due
plus
the
triplex
configurations,
and
it
would
include
34
for
sale,
middle
income
permanently
affordable
units
in
this
area.
AP
This
slide
was
the
overall
review
processes
that
the
proposal
would
need
to
go
through
and
at
the
planning
board
hearing
on
December
6th
the
board
provided
help
and
feedback
on
several
key
issues,
including
the
Kirkland's
land
use,
designation,
initial
zoning
compatibility
with
the
surrounding
area
and
general
feedback
on
the
proposal
the
applicant
is
shared.
They
do
have
a
desire
for
Council
to
call
up
this
item,
the
eventual
annexation,
initial
zoning
and
the
land
use
map
change,
requests
that
their
proposal
requires
would
eventually
need
to
be
decided
by
the
council.
AP
So
coin
of
the
item
at
this
stage
would
allow
for
Council
to
provide
feedback
prior
to
those
detailed
submittals
being
prepared.
If
Council
chose
to
call
up
the
item,
public
hearing
would
be
scheduled,
and
then
upcoming
meetings
and
the
applicant
is
here
tonight
and
happy
to
share
more
about
that
request
or
answer
any
questions.
D
Thanks
Shannon,
that
was
very
risk
and
efficient,
appreciate
that
any
questions
or
interest
in
calling
this
one
up,
Rachel.
N
I
think
since
the
applicant
asked
us
to
call
it
up,
I
am
inclined
to
call
it
up.
I
also
just
want
to
clarify.
Is
it
at
call
up
or
right
now
that
we
would
need
to
invite,
like
others,
Transportation
tab
to
look
at
it.
Z
Yes,
it's
been,
the
the
practice
of
council
and
I.
Believe
code
suggests
that
if,
if
the
council
wants
to
call
this
item
up
and
it
wants
to
refer
to
tab
or
the
design,
Advisory
Board
Advisory
board,
thank
you
for
the
assist
that
you
would
do
that
at
this
time
as
well.
N
So
I
did
see
some
language
from
planning
board.
That
would
make
me
inclined
to
especially
refer
to
tab,
because
there
were
some,
some
I
don't
know.
Road
interplays
involved
I'd
have
to
go
back,
get
my
computer
to
reboot
and
reboot
and
look
at
it,
but
I
would
be
interested
in
calling
it
up
and
referring
at
least
to
tab.
I,
probably
looked
at
my
neighbor
to
the
left
here
on
dab.
D
N
N
N
I
I
know
that
there
were
questions
from
planning
board
members
and
it
was
identified
as
a
key
issue
and
in
looking
at
Transportation
quality,
open
space
and
providing
a
desirable
development,
so
perhaps
also
referral
to
Deb,
yeah
and
I'm
out,
including
in
my
motion.
You
referral
to
dab
for
giving
us
feedback
on
a
desirable
development.
D
B
D
D
D
B
Yes,
sir,
our
public
hearings
are
public
hearing.
My
apology
is
item
five
on
tonight's
agenda.
5A
is
the
concept
plan
review
and
comment
for
the
Redevelopment
of
a
2.33
acre
area,
including
the
properties
generally
known
as
2504
2506
2536
and
2546
Spruce
Street
20,
55,
26th,
Street
and
2537
Pearl
Street,
with
101
residential
units
and
160
parking
spaces
and
amenities
for
residences.
The
Proposal
includes
88
market
rate
and
13
affordable
on-site
Condominiums.
This
is
reviewed
under
case
number,
lur
20220033.
I
AD
Good
evening,
council
members,
my
name
is
shabnam
bista
senior
planner,
with
the
planning
and
development
services
and
tonight
I'll
be
presenting
on
the
concept
plan
for
the
papillio
project,
which
is
a
mixed-use
development
at
2504.
Spruce
Street
I
would
like
to
note
that
this
is
a
second
iteration
of
the
concept
plan
based
on
feedback
that
was
provided
by
city
council,
Tab
and
planning
board
back
in
2021..
AD
So
a
lot
of
the
the
materials
that
you
see
might
just
be
a
refresher
and
then
I'll
go
into
the
specifically
what's
changed
and
what
the
current
proposed
project
is
and
the
key
issues
as
well.
That
was
presented
to
planning
board
for
discussion
and
they
will
be
presented
tonight
for
councils
to
discussion.
AD
In
terms
of
the
location,
this
is
located
south
of
Spruce,
Street
and
North
of
pearl.
It's
approximately
2.33
acres
and
there
are
currently
seven
buildings
and
some
businesses
located
within
the
different
Parcels
on
the
site
in
terms
of
the
planning
framework
to
provide
a
broader,
a
broader
perspective,
So
within
the
bvcp
framework,
the
Boulder
Valley
comprehensive
plan.
AD
AD
AD
This
is
something
that
was
also
discussed
in
2021
and
it
was
referred
to
tab
for
their
decision
and
recommendation
by
City
Council
on
whether
the
applicant
can
remove
these
or
amend
the
plan
to
not
include
and
incorporate
these
connections
plans
within
the
concept
plan.
So
the
plan
you'll,
see
today
at
the
proposed
project
does
not
incorporate
these
two
connections.
Plan
and
I'll
talk
more
about
that
during
the
key
issues
portion.
AD
AD
And
in
terms
of
the
proposed
rezoning,
this
is
part
of
this
kind
of
Grew
From,
the
feedback
that
the
applicant
received
previously
in
order
to
maximize
housing.
They
are
looking
to
propose
a
rezoning
to
mixed-use
three.
AD
And
then,
in
terms
of
what's
existing
within
that
2.33
Acre
Site,
there
are
a
number
of
warehouses,
light
industrial
and
Retail
buildings
with
auto
repair,
a
thrift
store
and
furniture
store
and
then
at
the
northeast
corner
is
25.
46
Spruce,
which
is
I,
mean
you
can't
see
me
pointing,
but
it's
the
mecca
building,
that's
was
determined
to
be
eligible
eligible
for
local
Landmark,
designation
and
I'll.
Talk
about
that
during
the
key
issues
as
well.
AD
So
in
terms
of
project
background,
the
planning
board
public
hearing
was
held,
September
2nd
2021.
The
item
was
then
called
up
by
City
Council
on
September
21st
of
2021
and
then
was
presented
to
the
transportation
Advisory
Board
in
October.
And
lastly,
there
is
a
public
hearing
held
November
30th
of
2021.
AD
AD
AD
The
second
one
was
the
bvrc
transportation
connections
plan.
Again
this
was
sent
to
tab
where
they
discussed
and
determined
that
the
the
East-West
secondary
connection,
which
would
be
a
street
connection,
would
essentially
serve
as
an
alley
and
there's
a
ditch
as
well
to
the
west
of
the
property,
and
that
deemed
they
deemed
it
unnecessary
for
circulation
at
this
time
and
then
in
terms
of
The
north-south
Pedestrian
connection.
Tab
also
noted
that
the
site
is
well
surrounded
by
street
bike
Lanes,
as
well
as
pedestrian
walkways
and
multi-use
paths.
AD
So
the
conversation
was
centered
more
around
removing
these
connections
plan
in
order
to
maximize
the
units
on
the
site
and
then,
lastly,
the
landmarking
of
the
mecca
building,
the
planning
board
feedback
was
to
integrate
some
of
the
mecca
building
during
the
last
feedback
or
the
last
Council
hearing.
The
feedback
was
that
additional
housing
would
be
a
larger
Community
benefit
and
landmarking
was
not
necessarily
a
priority
at
the
time.
AD
In
terms
of
the
changes
made
to
the
concept
plan.
These
are
just
some
numbers
of
what's
changed.
The
applicant
will
also
be
doing
a
presentation
and
providing
additional
information
on
this,
but
there
is
an
increase
in
the
number
of
units
and
these
are
for
sale
units
at
this
time
increase
in
number
of
affordable
units
parking
height
and
the
number
of
stories
as
well.
AD
Just
to
reiterate
to
the
proposed
project
we'll
have
101
for
sale
units
as
it
stands
now.
There's
a
breakdown
of
the
different
types
of
bedrooms,
there's
13,
affordable
units,
160
parking
spaces
and
they
are
asking
for
a
height
modification
as
well.
AD
This
is
just
a
little
bit
more
detail
on
the
floor
plans,
as
well
as
the
breakdown
of
the
the
units
per
floor.
There
is
commercial
located
along
Spruce
Street
and
then
there
are
three
kind
of
Courtyards
located
for
common
open
space
with
amenities
on
the
second
floor
and
then
a
roof
deck
on
the
fourth.
AD
The
applicant
also
provided
some
conceptual
renderings
that
illustrate
the
building
modulation
along
Spruce
and
then
the
corners
as
well
and
on
Spruce
Street.
They
did
incorporate
some
of
the
elements
of
the
mecca
building
into
the
lobby
as
they're,
proposing
to
demo
it
for
this
specific
concept
plan.
AD
And
these
are
some
of
the
elevations
just
to
kind
of
look
at
the
mass
of
the
building.
It's
55
feet
in
height
again
and
four
stories
tall.
The
applicant
is
subject
to
community
benefit
requirements,
so
they
excuse
me
that
you
would
need
to
provide
additional,
affordable
units
for
anything,
that's
over
the
allowed
height
and
the
bonus
units.
On
the
fourth
floor,
additionally,
if
the
project
proceeds
at
the
for
sale
development,
this
would
require
at
least
50
percent
of
the
permanently
affordable
units
to
be
included
on
site.
AD
Moving
on
to
the
key
issue,
so
this
is
what
was
presented
to
planning
board
and
I
will
just
kind
of
briefly
go
over
each
one
and
before
that,
I
also
just
wanted
to
summarize
what
the
planning
board
discussion
was,
which
was
included
in
the
memo.
So
generally,
the
board
agreed
that
the
rezoning
would
align
with
the
city
policies
for
additional
housing
and
higher
density
in
terms
of
the
preservation
of
the
mecca
building.
AD
They
stated
that
it
falls
under
the
purview
of
landmarks
board
in
terms
of
the
height
mass
and
scale.
The
board
agreed
that
massing
along
Spruce
Street
should
be
modified
and
changed
during
the
site
review
process.
So
the
transition
to
rh2,
which
is
north
of
Spruce
Street,
would
be
a
smoother
transition.
Since
there
are,
you
know
one
two
residential
one,
two
story:
residential
buildings.
AD
So
moving
on
to
kishu
one,
this
just
asks
the
questions
of
whether
additional
residential
density
for
the
site
should
be
supported
through
a
rezoning
process.
AD
Kishu
one
and
two
are
connected,
because
in
order
to
move
forward
with
the
rezoning
to
an
me3,
the
applicant
would
need
to
demonstrate
that
the
proposed
rezoning
is
necessary
to
come
into
compliance
with
the
Boulder
Valley
comprehensive
plan,
land
use
designation,
and
so
it's
important
to
note
right
now.
The
designation
for
this
site
is
majority
mixed
use,
residential,
but
then
there's
portions
of
it.
That's
General
business
as
well
as
makes
use
business.
AD
AD
AD
And
then
the
second
part
of
the
key
issue,
two
is
just
regarding
the
Boulder
Valley
comprehensive
plan
and
whether
the
project
is
preliminarily
consistent
with
the
goals
and
objectives,
and
so
given
the
city's
policy
that
strongly
encourages
new
housing
in
an
area
with
Transit
jobs
and
mixed
use,
particularly
in
the
Boulder
Valley
Regional
Center
staff
leaves
that
this
has
been
preliminarily
met.
AD
Now,
in
terms
of
the
mecca
building
So
based
on
council's
prior
feedback
on
maximizing
housing,
the
proposed
concept
plan
shows
a
demo
of
the
mecca
building
with
elements
of
it
incorporated
into
the
development.
Initially,
the
recommendation
was
to
potentially
Landmark
the
building
and
it
was
potentially
eligible
for
landmarking
as
well.
AD
This
past
review
planning
board
stance
was
that
this,
what
this
was
a
purview
of
landmark's
board,
however,
staff
and
the
applicant
are
seeking
clear
direction
from
city
council
tonight
on
whether
in
balancing
the
comprehensive
plan,
objectives
and
policies,
the
building
should
or
should
not
be
landmarked.
AD
And
then,
in
terms
of
key
issue
4,
which
is
in
regards
to
the
height
mass
and
scale
of
the
proposed
buildings
compatibility
with
the
area
across
the
street
on
Spruce,
as
you
can
see,
there
are
two
two
to
one-story
homes
and
the
me3.
Zoning
allows
38
feet
and
three
stories.
There
are
some
within
the
design.
Currently
there
are
some
wall
modulations
and
fourth
floor.
That's
slightly
set
back,
however.
AD
And
then,
lastly,
key
issue:
5
is
a
preliminary
analysis
of
the
design
guidelines
within
the
Boulder
Valley
Regional
Center
I
won't
go
over
this
in
detail
as
we
are
early
on
in
the
process,
but
this
is
something
that
we
will
be
looking
at
in
close
detail
during
the
site
review
process.
S
Thanks
for
that
presentation,
maybe
this
may
be
a
question
for
Kurt.
Have
we
calculated
what
the
I
know
that
all
the
affordable
housing
is
not
on
site
yeah?
We
calculated
back
the
envelope.
What
the
contribution
would
be.
AQ
AQ
If,
if
this
project
was
to
pay
Simply
cash
and
Lou
I
think
it's
like
7.7
million,
if
they're,
if
they
implement
it
as
shown
or
half,
are
on
site,
the
remaining
cash
flow
gets
cut
in
half
I
think
it
was
three
and
a
half
million
cut
in
half.
So
that
would
be
the
amount
remaining.
But
I
can
check
that.
S
I'll,
let
you
know
thank
you,
appreciate
it
and
then
the
second
two
questions
is,
and
it's
not
for
you
for
Kurt.
This
is
something
that
I've
always
puzzled
about.
That's
not
just
for
this
particular
project.
If,
if
a
developer
comes
in
and
says
all
right,
this
is
going
to
be
for
sale
units
for
sale
residential.
S
How
is
that
binding?
In
other
words,
so
they
built
the
building
and
they
say
you
know
changed
my
mind.
Gonna
do
these
rentals?
How
is
that
kind
of
enforced
and
and
for
how
long
does
it
have
to
be
for
sale,
I
mean?
Could
it
could
be
for
sale
for
a
year
or
two,
and
then
they
didn't
have
very
good
sales,
and
so
they
flipped
them
to
rentals
or
how
does
that
work.
AD
AD
Forest
is
not
something
we
can
we
can
do,
however,
there
is
a
potential
of
including
it
as
a
condition
of
approval
when
the
site
review
gets
approved
and
if
the
applicant
at
any
point
feels
that
they
need
to
convert
to
a
for
rental
or
or
it's
the
it's
not
financially
feasible,
to
do
a
for
sale
project,
then
they
would
need
to
come
back
for
an
amendment
so
planning
border
Council
would
have
a
chance
to
kind
of
look
at
what
that
proposal
would
be.
Do.
S
I
just
want
to.
Let
me
follow
up
on
that,
so
so
let's
say
it
was
a
built
in
as
a
condition
and
the
sorry
review
approval,
that's
for
sale,
and
so
the
building
gets
built
and
certificates
of
occupancy
get
issued.
What's
our
enforcement
mechanism
down
the
road
after
CEOs
are
issued
and
then
the
developer
either,
you
know
success
for
whatever
reason:
I'm
not
going
to
sell
these
things,
I'm
going
to
least
summer
all
of
them.
What
do
we?
What
do
we
do?
Is
that
just
kind
of
tough,
tough
noogies
or
what
is
there?
AD
Sure
I
think
when
drafting
that
condition
of
approval,
there
would
be
a
in
Teresa
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
there
would
be
sort
of
a
timing
Incorporated
with
it,
so
it
would
be
either
prior
to
certificate
of
occupancy
or
prior
to
issuance
of
building
permit
that
some
of
the
conditions
would
need
to
be
met.
D
Those
conditions
yeah,
please
you
know
the
answer
so
well,
just
I'm
a
little
confused.
My
memory
from
my
time
on
planning
board
was
it
in
any
condition
in
your
site.
Review
approval
had
to
be
required
in
order
to
bring
them
into
compliance
with
the
site.
Review
criteria
like
that
was
what
you
had
to
base
your
conditions
on,
and
my
memory
was
that
there
wasn't
something
in
the
site
review
criteria
that
would
allow
you
to
say
well
in
order
to
be
compliant.
AD
Brad,
would
you
be
able
to
sure
yeah
Kurt?
Thank
you.
AQ
I'll
I'll
answer
something
slightly
different
to
that
which
relates
to
it.
So
we
had
a
similar
situation
at
the
Peloton.
AQ
That
project
was
developed
with
rental
housing
and
then
it
went
to
for
sale
and
cash
and
Lewis
higher
than
you
know
for
for
a
for
sale
project
than
it
is
for
rental.
So
in
that
case
they
actually,
four
years
after
the
project
was
built,
they
had
to
pay
additional
cash
and
Lube
back
to
the
city.
AQ
So
it's
a
bit
of
reverse
of
that,
but
that's
part
of
the
IH
ordinance
and
I
think
what
you're
asking
about
Falls
outside
of
the
IH
ordinance,
which
simply
States
you
know
that
people
have
choices
as
it
as
it
fits.
However,
into
conditions
of
approval.
AQ
AD
I
Happy
to
go,
my
recollection
is
similar
mayor
Brockett
to
what
you
described
is
and
I
think
that's
what
we
were
just
kind
of
combining
those
two
conversations
into
one
which
is
when
it's
about
the
use
of
the
dwelling
unit,
whether
it's
for
sale
or
rental,
is
really
outside
the
purview
of
the
site
review
process,
as
it
relates
then
to
affordable
housing
in
the
inclusionary
housing
ordinance.
That's
where
there's
a
connection
because
of
the
use
type
of
the
unit
is
related
to
the
fees
that
are
charged.
D
AD
Question
because
I
just
wanted
to
go
ahead.
I
just
wanted
to
clarify.
So
this
was
another
question
that
did
come
up
at
planning
board
and
the
response
from
hella
pennowick
who's
I,
don't
think
aligned
today
was
that
it
could
be
potentially
condition
of
approval,
so
I
can
kind
of
touch
race
with
her
and
provide
a
response.
S
Be
helpful
and
so
I
guess
there's
two
questions
or
one
is:
can
it
be
a
condition
of
approval
and
the
second
is
is
so
what
especially?
If
it
goes,
the
other
direction?
S
Maybe
they
overpaid
for
inclusion,
housing,
I
guess
is
we're
probably
not
going
to
kick
money
back
to
them
if
they
change
their
minds
and
so
I
guess
I'm
just
trying
I'm
struggling
with
enforcement,
because
when
you
say
oh
well,
if
it's
condition
of
approval
it's
before
the
co
or
it's
before
this
that
I'm
talking
about
like
the
building's
build
CEO's
been
issued
and
the
developer
says:
yeah
I
know
I
told
you
it
was
going
to
be
for
sale,
but
it's
really
going
to
be
for
rental
and
the
answer
may
be.
S
We
don't
have
any
enforcement
and
if
that's
the
answer,
that's
finally
like
Aaron
I'm,
not
happy
with
that
answer,
but
that
that's
that's
the
answer.
I
just
want
us
to
be
really
super
aware
of
that,
because
we
got
all
excited
last
time
about.
Oh,
these
are
for
sale
units.
Maybe
they
are,
and
maybe
they're
not
I
mean
they
may
be
the
good
faith
intention
of
the
developer.
At
this
moment
time,
but
we
should
all
be
big
boys
and
big
girls
and
realize
these
could
very
well
be
rentals.
E
Well,
I
didn't
want
to
call
a
queen
because
there's
more
to
say,
but
my
line
of
inquiry
is
really
kind
of
along
these
lines.
We
get
a.
We
were
sort
of
given
some
options
at
concept
or
you
know
when
it
came
to
us
about
December
and
we're
like
yeah.
We
like
the
one,
that's
got
more
housing,
it's
ownership,
affordability,
yeah,
yeah,
rah-rah,
good
job,
thanks
for
listening,
then
we
get
this
plan
good
and
then
we
hear
also,
oh,
that's
not
going
to
be
financially
viable.
It
may
not
work.
E
I
I
get
the
technical
pieces
of
what
are
our
mechanisms.
But
for
me
it's
a
larger
question
of
how.
How
do
we
create
the
guard
rails
so
that
when
we
approve
the
concept
of
a
plane,
we're
not
delivered
a
blimp,
they
might
both
fly,
but
they
are
fundamentally
different
and
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
as
a
community
we're
investing
our
time
on
what
we're
committing
to,
but
then
also
the
community
as.
AG
E
Knows
what
we're
committing
to
and
so
I
I
know,
that's
the
overall
process
we
have,
but
I'm
I,
don't
like
where
this
is
going,
where
we
can
have
a
switch
route
here,
where
they
ride
the
coattails
of
our
enthusiasm
of
ownership,
all
these
great
things
and
then
pull
the
rug
out
and
say
yeah.
It
doesn't
work
I
I,
just
don't
like
that.
E
W
E
How
do
we
not
make?
How
do
we
not
feel
the
fool?
I
guess
is
the
question,
and-
and
maybe
it's
really
just
the
question
of
what
are
these
mechanisms
for
accountability
and
holding
to
account
so
I,
don't
know
if
it's
a
separate
question,
but
it's
really
just
greater
context
to
what
maybe
Bob
and
Aaron
were
inquiring
at,
but
goodness
it
don't
feel
good.
AQ
Thank
you
for
that
councilman
Benjamin.
One
point
of
clarification
is
that
the
any
developer
as
they're
going
through
the
process,
the
point
where
they
have
to
the
last
point
of
making
the
decision
on
what
type
of
or
other
approach
towards
towards
affordable
housing
is
that
the
issuance
of
building
permit.
AQ
So
it's
at
the
beginning
of
the
process
in
in
the
development,
and
so
it
comes
the
challenges
that
comes
after
these
city
council
discussions,
often
and
we've
even
seen
this
project
change
over
time,
as
you
just
mentioned,
as
the
developer
in
the
architect
work
into
what's
feasible
as
it
relates
to
affordable
housing
related
to
the
design
and
cost,
and
unfortunately,
we've
also
seen
that
that
can
change
even
within
a
six-month
period
of
time.
AQ
We
saw
Lumber
spikes
and
you
know
all
sorts
of
things
that
occur,
that
impact
those
types
of
decisions,
but
at
the
point
of
building
permit,
which
is
a
long
not
a
long
time.
From
now
on
this
project,
that's
when
their
decision
would
be
made
under
the
IH
ordinance.
P
But
if
the
height
bonus
is
not
accompanied
by
sufficient
Community
benefit,
because
the
nature
of
the
project
keeps
changing,
why
should
the
height
bonus
be
permanent,
but
the
the
use
of
the
property,
as
has
been
described
to
us,
be
semi-permanent
and
we've
been
burned
before
and
and
I
think
that's
kind
of?
What's
what
my
colleagues
are
alluding
to?
Z
I
hear
your
your
concern:
council,
member
Yates
and
mayor
Pro,
tem
Wallach
I'll,
say
in
a
way
this
Con.
This
conversation
is
premature
because
we're
at
a
concept,
plan
phase
and
so
to
call
it
a
Switcheroo
is,
is
to
say
in
concept:
they
keep
changing
their
mind.
Well,
that's!
Okay!
D
P
I
take
it.
Landmarks
has
not
been
afforded
an
opportunity
to
weigh
in
on
the
matcha
building,
I
mean
I
know
we
have
a
preference
for
housing
versus
landmarking,
but
would
it
not
be
appropriate
to
at
least
understand
whether
this
is
a
building
of
no
consequence
or
the
greatest
treasure?
In
you
know,
in
in
North
America,
we
we
routinely
send
projects
out
for
analysis
by
design
Advisory
board
by
tab.
Would
it
not
be
appropriate
to
at
least
hear
from
landmarks?
P
We
don't
have
to
take
their
advice,
but
it
would.
It
would
be
nice
to
know
whether
this
is
something
of
such
consequence
that
we
ought
to
rethink
our
view
of
getting
an
extra
few
units
I'm
not
suggesting
we
won't
change
our
minds
or
we'll
change
our
minds.
But
you
know
more
information
is
better
than
no
information,
and
it
would
seem
to
me
that
that's
an
appropriate
step
to
take
we'll.
D
P
Comments,
yeah
I'll
just
leave
it
to
two
questions:
a
City
attorney
how
what
is
the
definition
of
spot
zoning.
P
U
You
know
I
I've,
always
characterized
spot
zoning
as
more
of
a
concept
and
I've
seen
over
the
years
throughout
my
career.
It
get
both
demonized
and
praised,
as
is
the
solution
all
things
or
or
the
the
worst
thing
in
the
world
and
and
I've
seen
jurisdictions
that
try
to
legislate
it.
It's
not
a
thing
per
se.
It's
it's
a
planning
concept
and
and
the
basic
concept
is
that
zoning
as
a
tool
and
all
laws
are
blunt
tools.
U
But
zoning
is
a
tool,
that's
designed
to
mitigate
off-site
impacts
and
to
minimize
incompatible
use
as
being
next
to
each
other.
That's
what
zone
districts
are
supposed
to
do
and
and
when
you
get
it
down
to
a
very
extreme
change
from
one
intensity
to
another
within
a
little
area
that
gets
characterized
as
spot
zoning
and
that
that
is
that
defeats
the
purpose
of
trying
to
separate
incompatible
uses.
U
There
is
a
lot
that
can
be
done,
though,
with
design
and
there's
a
big
difference
between
a
heavy
industrial
next
to
a
residential
versus
a
medium
residential
to
a
a
light
light
industrial,
for
example,
so
I
I
always
caution
kind
of
not
putting
too
much
stock
in
that
and
recognizing
that
the
idea
of
incompatibility
is
a
is
a
fluid
concept.
It
needs
to
be
taken
in
context.
I,
don't
know
if
that
helped
it
sounded
kind
of
professorial.
So
a
A
plus
okay.
U
Company
right
and
that's
where
there's
this
kind
of
chicken
and
egg
thing
you
know,
if
there's
a
sense
that
the
the
compatibility
is
there
and
supports
the
zoning,
then
that
kind
of
de
facto
means
that
the
the
comp
plan
also
should
support
that
and
be
be
reflected
to
do
that.
But
you
also
have
with
really
your
your
quasi-judicial.
You
know
judging
powers
to
say
no,
it's
the
comp
plan
that
really
is
is
guiding
what
the
zoning
should
be
in
this
case,
so
that
that
gets
to
the
site-specific
kind
of
nature.
D
You
I
thought
they
were
Thursdays
at
nine
PM.
Okay,
all
right
now!
Why
don't
we
move
to
the
applicant
presentation
if
the
applicant's
ready
to
go.
AR
Hello,
everyone-
this
is
Ali,
gitfar
and
I-
have
with
me
Adam
root.
Who
is
the
project
architect
go
ahead?
Just
say:
hi
hi,
everyone,
Chris
couldn't
be
here.
So
instead
we
have
Adam
with
us.
AR
I
I
was
going
to
show
a
presentation.
Maybe
I
will
I
will
flick
through
the
slides,
really
quickly,
I
think
as
I'm
pulling
that
up.
I
I
gotta
say
that
the
one
I
just
heard
from
through
the
council
members
is
a
little
bit
hurtful
I'm,
not
doing
a
Switcheroo
I've
been
open
with
you
guys
from
the
beginning
about
the
process.
AR
I
think
that,
just
to
reiterate,
you
ask
that
we
look
at
the
site
for
more
density
and
you
want
it
for
sale
and
I
agreed
to
do
it,
and
I
did
say
that
it
was
going
to
be
a
very
tall,
hard,
lift
and
I
spent
more
than
a
year
a
year
and
a
half
I
think
trying
to
make
this
plan
work
and
have
had
it
priced
pretty
accurately
and
gone
through
multiple
meetings
with
my
realtors
to
make
sure
that
the
numbers
that
we're
putting
into
the
performer
are
going
to
work
for
us
and
for
the
city
and
I've
shared
with
you.
AR
The
results
of
it
and
I've
also
said
that
I'm
perfectly
happy
to
have
you
come
in
and
actually
see
all
the
effort
that
has
gone
into
it
as
a
learning
experience
for
you,
as
it
has
been
for
us
as
well.
So
the
other
thing
I
do
want
to
make.
Do
you
do
want
to
say
is
that
this
is
not
a
Switcheroo
I've
been
again
very
open
and
if
I
had
gone
through
this
process,
all
the
way
to
the
end
and
at
the
last
minute
said,
I
wanted
to
do
either
for
sale
or
rent
or
whatever.
AR
At
that
point,
then
it
would
be
so
true,
but
I
haven't
done
that.
So
having
said
all
that,
I
will
now
just
quickly
go
through
the
slides,
because
I
think
we
all
are
very
familiar
with
all
the
issues
that
are
on
the
table.
AR
But
you
know
we've
talked
about
this
at
various
points
in
the
meeting
and
I
think
there
was
a
those
reference
made
to
a
force
that
we're
asking
for
fourth
floor.
We
never
asked
for
a
fourth
floor.
The
reason
we
have
a
fourth
floor
is
because
the
number
of
square
feet
that
we've
managed
to
work
out
that
we
can
put
on
this
site
and
that
has
forced
us
into
a
fourth
floor
and
I'll.
Let
Adam
explain
the
slide.
AS
Right
so
the
the
proposal
to
rezone
to
me3
is
in
service
of
the
goal
of
achieving
the
maximum
housing
on
the
site
and
the
the
diagram
on
the
left
shows
what
you
do
if
you
only
rezone
to
me3.
But
you
don't
add
the
fourth
floor.
You
can
you
end
up
with
a
continuous,
uninterrupted
Street
wall
and
these
enclosed
Courtyards,
which
are
very
undesirable.
AR
AS
We've
taken
steps
to
reduce
the
perceived
scale
of
the
top
floor
by
by
taking
a
subtraction
at
the
corners,
as
well
as
the
recesses
in
between
those
separate
masses.
If
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
you'll
see
the
other
Corner
where,
on
the
where
the
mecca
building
exist
today
and
we're
proposing
to
demolish
and
reuse
portions
of
it,
a
community
servant
Cafe
would
stand
in
its
place.
Here
is
the
the
the
lobby
Pavilion
which
we're
proposing
to
be
centered
in
the
in
the
the
middle
of
this
open-ended
Courtyard.
AS
So
these
are
just
some
of
the
primary
strategies
that
we're
using
to
kind
of
make.
This
building
have
a
positive
impact
on
the
neighborhood.
AS
This
shows
the
top
floor
plan,
which
again
demonstrates
how
we're
utilizing
these
open-sided
Courtyards
to
provide
as
much
openness
and
light
and
Views
into
and
out
of
the
project,
as
well
as
recessing
the
top
floor
from
the
lower
floors
to
minimize
as
a
visual
scale.
AS
Challenges
we've
been
we've
been
working
through
and
the
final
slide
is
really
about
the
the
question
to
councils
about
about
right.
AR
And
I
think
here
I
think
the
question
of
rental
or
for
sale.
Sorry.
AR
This
first
question,
Is,
It,
rental
or
for
sale,
is
something
that'd
be
great
to
talk
about
since
it's
been
brought
up
tonight
and
again
to
make
the
project
work.
I
think
we've
already
been
talking
about
this
for
the
past
year
that
to
have
the
amount
of
housing
that
you
have
asked
for
we're
going
to
have
to
resort
to
mu3
get
the
extra
height
we're
not
asking
for
it.
We
have
to
remove
the
mecca
building
and
the
cross-bought
connections,
and
with
that
I
will
I'm
happy
to
listen.
Yeah.
D
F
AR
So
for
the
for
sale
unit,
what
I
can
tell
you
is
that
for
the
For
Sale
Project,
we
averaged
1400
square
feet
and
if
you
know
when
I,
when
we
discovered
that
the
project
was
absolutely
not
going
to
work
as
a
for
sale
project,
couldn't
get
any
investors
on
board
that
would
take
on
that
kind
of
risk
and
I
communicate
that
with
you,
guys,
I
hired
a
an
apartment
consultant
in
Denver
and
right
before
Christmas.
AR
They
gave
me
the
mix
that
would
work
and
I
shared
that
with
you
as
well,
and
that
mixes
at
850
square
feet
per
unit.
Roughly.
Does
that
help.
F
Yeah,
thank
you
and
just
to
clarify,
I
mean
I,
know.
You've
discussed
this
a
little
bit
already,
but
the
difficulty
in
making
this
pencil
out
financially
as
a
for
sale,
is
that
driven
by
the
with
the
increased
height
needing
to
do
50
of
the
affordable
on-site,
or
would
you
still
have
issues
making
this
pencil
even
if
that
requirement
was
not
in
place?
That's.
AR
O
AF
AR
There
we
go
what
it
illustrates
it
Illustrated
to
us
and
I'm
I'm,
trying
to
share
that
with
you.
Is
that,
even
if
the
me3
on
the
on
the
far
left
with
zero,
affordable
on
site
and
just
spending
cash
in
lieu
which
yeah
you
can
see
and
I
I've
had
to
kind
of
mask
the
actual
numbers
and
again
I'm
perfectly
happy
to
share
all
this
in
my
office
with
you
live.
AR
But
you
can
see
that
the
profit
margin
at
the
bottom
is
what
really
drives
a
lot
of
projects
and,
more
importantly,
the
irr
and
those
numbers
are
low
enough.
That
I
can't
attract
investors
to
the
project
and
if
you
look
at
the
far
right
hand,
column
that's
where
the
36
percent
IH
that
would
be
required
on
site,
that's
14,
affordable
on
site
and
whereas
the
cash
in
lieu
is
only
eight
dollars
per
square
foot.
In
this
scaled
version
of
this
chart,
that's
in
reality
1.65
million
dollars.
A
AR
Yeah
I
think
what
we're
saying
is
that
we
would
take
the
same
building
volume
and
rework
those
extra
units
into
it
so
that
basically
nothing
changes
about
the
building.
The
visually
for
the
most
part,
I
think
you're,
going
to
end
up
with
more
balconies
and
exterior
elements
like
that
different
window
patterns
and
things
like
that.
But
we
try
and
work
within
the
same
building
envelope
that
we've
been
presenting
so
far.
F
And
then
my
last
question
is
about
the
mecca
building.
You
have
that
Lobby
space
that
looks
sort
of
like
the
repurposing
of
the
mecca
building.
Is
your
intention
right
now
to
keep
the
glue
lamb
beams
from
the
existing
building,
or
are
we
making
new
ones
that
look
similar?
What
what's
the
idea
there.
F
P
That
we
have
had
some
unfortunate
experiences
with
developers
who
were
less
reliable
in
their
representations
and.
AR
AR
P
AR
A
AR
Reasons
for
that
are
far
higher
Insurance
during
construction,
higher
construction
standards
and
costs
and
yeah.
Those
are
the
two
main
things
and,
of
course,
the
IH
requirement
to
have
all
these
units
on
site
kind
of
push
the
tip
the
scale
completely
over
and
so
not
all
online.
So
let
me
just
make
it
very
clear:
it's
not
all
I
age,
but
you
know
the
the
difference
between
for
sale
and
rental
for
IH
is
quite
significant.
AR
AR
Yes,
that's
the
idea,
so
that
I
think
the
only
way
we
have
forward
is
to
look
at
this
project
with
greater
density
and
for
rent,
we're
100
sure
we
can't
do
the
for
sale.
O
No
thank
you
and
thank
you
for
the
presentation,
one
of
the
things
that
I
was
wondering
about
looking
at
the
new
design
and
thank
you
so
much
for
listening
to
so
many
of
our
previous
comments
and
working
to
incorporate
them.
It's
around
the
the
parking-
and
you
know
a
lot
of
those
space
is
kind
of
set
aside
for
cars.
I
think
you
know
we
as
a
study
we're
very
interested
in
housing,
people
less
so
cars,
especially
on
such
a
Transit
Rich
area
like.
AA
O
And
so
you
know
looking
at
your
financial
numbers
if,
if
there
were
some
reductions
in
the
parking,
for
example,
with
that
lessen
your
costs
enough
to
have
some
on-site,
affordable
or
more
units
or
anything
like
that.
Well,.
AR
Here's
the
I
guess
unfortunate
or
unfortunate
thing
about
mu3.
Is
that
the
reason
we
get
the
bonus
square
footage
is
that
we
have
more
parking,
so
we've
created
a
building
whose
first
floor
is
entirely
cars,
because
that's
the
area
that
we
can
take
to
increase
far
it's
kind
of
a
perverse
thing
that
we
have
in
our
codes.
But
that's
the
rules
that
we're
playing
by
and
give
if
we
do
move
forward
with
the
rental
model.
We'd
actually
be
asking
for
a
variance
on
parking,
because
me3
requires
one
spot
per
unit.
AR
D
E
Thanks
Ali
in
I
I
share
Mark's
statement.
You
guys
have
been
forthright
and
you
guys
have
done
a
lot
of
transparency.
I
think
it's
the
situation
that
we
find
ourselves
a
bit
frustrated
with
so
so
know
that
and
know
that
we
hopefully
can
continue
to
to
work
with
you
to
try
to
find
a
way
to
make
this
work.
So
my
question
is
really
Center
on.
E
AR
E
Okay
and
and
really
sort
of
where
the
follow-up
comes
into
is
in
terms
of
trying
to
achieve
ownership,
and
this
question
is
to
you,
and
also
perhaps
a
holistic
one
for
our
community
as
a
whole
is:
are
there
any
city,
codes
or
ordinances
as
you're?
Looking
through
this
that
you
look
at
you
go
yeah?
If,
if
those
were
changed,
we
could
make
this
pencil
out
for
ownership,
and
so
that's
a
question
because
again,
I
think
there's
some
that
value
having
more
ownership
in
this
community
and
I
want
to
know
really.
E
Are
we
in
our
own
way
or
is?
Are
we
talking
about
Market
forces
that
are
prohibiting
this
goal
from
being
achieved.
AR
That
I
know
that
we
all
are
aware
of
it
and
Kurt
is
aware,
aware
of
it,
as
is
Michelle,
and
it's
hopefully,
something
that
can
be
fixed
quickly,
so
that
we
can
turn
this
around.
But
you
know
the
issue
is
that
in
our
state
those
defects
laws
are
really
onerous
and
really
forces
us
to
pay
through
the
notes
for
insurance.
I
think
our
insurance
costs
are
at
least
three
times
for
for
sale
versus
a
rental
and
construction
costs
are
enormously
higher.
I
think
the
you
know
to
build.
AR
D
Seeing
other
questions
we
can
go
to
the
public
hearing,
we've
got
two
people
signed
up
to
speak,
both
of
them
are
virtual.
D
Each
of
them
will
get
three
minutes
to
speak
and
they
are
Lynn
Siegel
and
Rebecca
Bach.
So
we
will
start
with
Lynn.
G
Okay,
that's
what
no
one
wants
to
say:
Don
Altman,
no
one
wants
to
say
Michael
bosma,
you
know,
but
those
are
the
guys
at
311
that
pulled
off
the
the
thing
that
you're
having
to
deal
with
Ollie.
You
know
because
you
get
the
bad
rap
from
that,
but
you
know
developers
in
town
should
get
together
and
and
not
violate
people
or
they're
going
to
have
trouble
later
on.
G
My
feeling
is
this
shouldn't?
You
should
go
back
to
version,
one
just
go
back
to
version
one.
You
know
it's,
not
a
you're,
not
gonna
make
this.
You
know
you
can't
create.
You
know
for
sale,
housing
on
new
bill.
You
know
if
you
want
to
if
you
want
to
get
for
sale,
housing,
take
some
old
crappy
condos
in
Boulder
and
sell
those
to
people,
but
this
is
just
like
a
a
shot.
You
know
like
dreaming,
you
know
it's
not
it's
not
gonna
happen.
G
So,
like
don't
waste,
More
Concept
plans
and
stuff
just
go
back
to
the
first
and
then
my
thought
also
really
is
yes.
This
is
Boulder
Valley
Regional
Center,
but
you
know
what,
for
me,
hoshimotors
was
everything
and
now
it's
way
out
and
I
ride.
My
bike,
mostly
I,
drag
my
car
with
my
bike.
If
I
could
to
take
it
out
there,
but
that's
kind
of
hard
to
do.
You
know
when
it's
way
out
now,
east
of
town,
so
I
want
my
services
close
into
town.
G
You
know
Boulder
Electric
gone,
you
know
where
do
I
I
I
somebody
stole
my
catalytic
converter,
so
I'm
not
just
hauling
my
steam,
cleaner,
you
know
to
to
Billy's
Boulder
Electric
I
got
to
go
to
Denver
somewhere,
no
I'm
not
going
to
do
it.
You
know,
and
and
you
know,
and
then
we
have
meth
in
the
bathrooms
at
the
library.
Okay,
this
is
it,
and
this
is
what
you're
saying
Ollie.
You
know
you
can't
make
this
happen.
You've
got
to
make
a
certain
profit.
G
G
When
you
got
a
meth
house,
you've
got
to
strip
it
down
to
the
frame,
basically
don't
or
maybe
you
even
have
to
demo
the
whole
frame
too
and
that's
what
happens
when
there's
this
greater
wealth
dispersion
and
then,
when
you
get
the
850
square
feet,
of
course
you
got
a
parking
space
for
for
each
one.
Then
you've
got
too
many.
You
know
then
you're
sure
and.
D
AT
My
name
is
Rebecca
Bach
and
I
am
the
business
owner
at
2546,
Spruce,
Street,
I,
rent,
the
entire
building
and
it
houses
one
of
Boulder's
last
locally
created
female
owned
and
operated
Fitness
Concepts
called
Mecca
Fitness
Mecca
is
not
a
national
chain.
It
was
founded
in
Boulder
specifically
to
address
the
fitness
needs
of
this
unique
community.
AT
AT
The
city
planning
staff
recommended
finding
a
way
to
preserve
the
building.
Clients
always
comment
to
me
on
how
beautiful
and
unique
the
mecca
building
is.
You
should
drive
by
and
check
it
out
and
I.
Welcome
you
to
join
in
one
of
our
classes.
Preserving
this
significant
and
historic
building
would
decrease
the
number
of
condo
units
by
approximately
four
to
six
housing
units
per
the
developer.
AT
AT
Commercial,
real
estate
that
is
accessible
to
the
population's
Daily
needs
has
easy
access
and
good
parking
you
have
to
have
good
parking
is
nearly
impossible
to
find
I
started
looking
over
a
year
ago
and
so
far
I've
not
found
any
suitable
space
without
a
good
central
location
access
to
lots
of
parking.
We
can't
survive
part
of
the
reason
space
is
getting
so
scarce
is
because
of
projects
like
these
commercial
space
is
being
torn
down
for
a
million
dollar
condos.
It
seems
to
be
happening
everywhere.
AT
In
Boulder
we
can
pay
Market
rent,
but
when
space
is
available,
it
often
goes
to
National
chains.
I
remember
when
this
quirky
Town
supported
small
local
businesses,
that
is
the
boulder
I,
fell
in
love
with
I'm
afraid
we
are
headed
quickly
in
the
direction
of
a
generic
town
that
could
be
anywhere
in
the
U.S.
That
is
filled
with
nothing
but
a
sea
of
chains.
AT
To
sum
it
up,
Boulder
is
a
special
place.
I've
lived
here
since
the
early
90s,
it's
beautiful
and
vibrant.
Continuing
to
tear
down
local
businesses
to
build
pricey
condos
is
not
a
direction
to
keep
the
flavor
of
Boulder
alive.
It
is
not
making
Boulder
more
diverse.
This
is
the
wrong
move.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
consideration.
D
Thank
you,
Rebecca,
okay,
so
that
brings
the
public
hearing
to
a
close,
so
we'll
bring
it
back
to
council
for
discussion.
So
what
I'd
ask
is
if
we
could
get
the
key
issues
put
up,
and
so
maybe
we
can
tackle
those
one
by
one
but
hopefully
efficiently
as
the
hours
now
almost
9
30
and
in
fact,
actually
we
need
to
do
a
time
check
on
that
basis,
so
it
is
9
30.
D
We
have
one
significant
item
left
so,
ideally
we
would
give
our
feedback
on
this
item
pretty
quickly.
It's
important
that
we
give
good
feedback,
but
also,
hopefully
we
can
do
it
pretty
quickly
in
order
to
finish
at
our
agenda
tonight,
we'll
check
in
again
after
this
item
is
over
okay,
so
we've
got,
we've
got
five
key
issues
and
let's
just
tackle
them
one
by
one
here
in
the
order
that
they've
got
them.
D
So
the
first
one
is:
should
additional
residential
density
for
the
site
be
supported
through
the
rezoning
process,
there's
proposing
the
mu3
Zone,
which
allows
for
additional
density
based
in
park
on
our
feedback
from
last
time,
quick
thoughts
or
thoughts
on
this
one
dude
dude.
We
just
want
to
maybe
do
a
straw
poll
if
people
have
a
generally
do
people
feel
that
they're
comfortable
with
this
I'm
getting
head
knots?
Okay,
so
it
looks
like
yep
Mark
did
you
want
to
say
something
yeah.
A
P
D
Okay,
so
it
looks
like
we're
generally
comfortable
in
number
one
number
two
do
we
feel
like
the
concept
plan
is
broadly
consistent
with
the
goals,
objectives
and
recommendations
of
the
company
comprehensive
plan
I'm
getting
thumbs
up.
Okay,
so
that's
pretty
clear
and
then
staff
is
really
looking
forward
to
some
concrete
feedback
on
the
preservation
of
the
mecca
building
as
part
of
this
project.
N
Sorry,
it's
kind
of
a
question
flowing
from
the
last
speaker's
comments
at
the
public
hearing,
I
I,
think
I
recall
when
we
were
redeveloping
the
hill
hotel.
We
put
a
closet
that
required
some
help
with
relocating
businesses
that
were
being
displaced.
Have
we
looked
at
that
for
this?
N
Can
we
do
that,
because
that
I
don't
know
that
I'm
committed
to
the
building,
although
I
am
actually
a
big
fan
of
that
style
of
architecture,
so
you
know
I
could
go
either
way
really,
but
I
I
am
very
sensitive
to
what
the
the
business
owner
was
saying
and
would
like
to
not
displace
her
business.
If
we
can
find
a
way
there.
AF
D
AD
N
So
my
feedback
would
be:
let's
try
and
figure
out
a
way
to
make
that
tenant
whole
through
relocation,
Assistance
or
whatever
else
might
be
needed.
W
E
I
get
yeah
with
few
decks,
I'm
I'm
less
beholden
to
wanting
to
keep
the
building
as
it
is
in
its
current
location
like
that,
prohibits,
I,
think
what's
trying
to
be
built
there,
but
I
would
really
love
to
see
elements
of
it.
You
either
directly
materials
utilized
that
cool
group,
the
glue
lamps
that
was
mentioned,
or
at
least
those
interesting,
Design,
Elements
sort
of
folded
into
the
design,
which
I
think
has
already
sort
of
been
done
in
a
few
spaces,
but
I'd
love
to
not
see
it
evaporate
into
The
Ether.
E
So
there's
still
some
elements
left
for
us
to
enjoy
in
one
form
or
another,
going
forward.
D
Okay,
I'll
call
myself
and
then
Mark,
yeah,
so
I
agree.
I
I
don't
feel
like
the
building
itself
needs
to
stay.
There,
I
like
how
your
initial
plans
show
Design
Elements,
both
actual
physical
pieces,
the
building
potentially
or
at
least
the
design
elements
from
it.
I
think
please
continue
in
that
direction.
I
think
that's
really
positive,
but
I
was
going
to
bring
up
what
Rachel
said
as
well
about
relocation,
assistance,
I
feel
for
Ms
back
back
and
the
difficulties
there.
D
So
I
I
feel
like
assisting
that
business
with
relocation
would
be
the
right
thing
to
do
as
part
of
the
process,
market
and
Bob.
P
Now,
for
the
reasons
stated
earlier,
I
do
think
having
landmarks
look
at
it
would
be
useful,
but,
having
said
that,
I
am
also
very
reluctant
to
displace
a
business
with
20
employees
that
is
local,
and
that
is
important
to
our
community
and
I
think.
It
is
just
too
easy
to
run
over
those
businesses
and
simply
say
you
know
vaya
con
dios
too
bad
for
you.
P
S
Again,
Bob
yeah
I'm
going
to
concur
with
my
colleagues
while
it's
a
beautiful
building
and
I
like
it
too
Rachel
I,
don't
want
to
stand
in
the
way
of
four
to
six
or
seven
housing
units
and
so
I
think
the
the
developer
and
The
Architects
have
done
a
good
job
of
trying
to
incorporate
some
of
those
elements
in
if
they
can
do
a
little
bit
more
that'd
be
great
and
I
also
support
relocation.
S
Assistance
for
the
tenant
in
the
mecca
building
I
want
to
disclose
that
Rebecca
and
I
used
to
work
together
at
another
company.
So
I'm
not
saying
that
because
we
used
to
be
we're.
Colleagues
I'm
saying
it
because
it's
the
right
thing
to.
F
F
F
P
D
P
Right,
yes,
just
one
other
disclosure
I
have
previously
spoken
to
Rebecca
on
other
matters
and
I
just
wanted
everyone
to
know
that.
Thank.
P
Both
staff
and
planning
board
recommended
a
shifting
of
the
massing
to
make
it
a
little
more
Humane
on
Spruce,
Street
and
I
think
they
were
looking
at
Pearl
Street
as
a
better
location.
For
some
of
that,
can
you
accommodate
any
of
those
concerns,
a
question
for.
P
AR
I
think
the
what
shares
Atkins
rockmore
has
come
up
with
in
terms
of
a
plan
on
massing.
They
try
to
be
very
careful
about
the
mass
on
spruce
tree
and
the
reason
for
the
way
it's
been
set
up
is
that
there
are
the
courtyards
that
face.
South
will
have
more
units
that
face
South,
and
so
in
order
to
flip
the
building.
What
we're
saying
is
that
the
units
would
all
would
more
more
the
units
two
thirsty
units
would
have
North
light
versus
South
light.
AR
P
And
I
would
urge
you
to
think
about
that
possibility,
since
it
was
endorsed
both
by
planning
board
and
staff.
I.
Think
that's
something
you
might
want
to
give
serious
consideration
to.
Okay,.
D
X
A
D
Probably
wouldn't
suggest
that
flipping
of
the
two
Courtyards
to
the
north,
but
if
there
are
any
additional
moves
that
you
can
make
in
this
direction,
to
relieve
the
massing
on
the
North
side,
I
think
that
would
be
positive,
so
I
think
just
I
would
continue
to
work
on
that.
As
you
move
forward
to
site
review,
I.
AR
F
Yeah
I
agree
sort
of
with
what
you
suggested
well
Aaron
just
brought
up
that
as
this
continues
to
be
developed.
I
think
that
the
you
know
just
continue
to
look
at
ways
to
break
down
the
mass
a
little
bit
more
on
that
Spruce
Street
side,
as
you
continue
to
refine
it
and
I
think
that
that
would
be
sufficient
for
me.
D
So
are
people
comfortable
with
this
feedback
that
we've
given
so
far
good,
okay,
so
I
think
that's
the
answer
on
four
and
then
number
five.
Does
the
concept
plan
preliminarily
meet
the
bvrc
design,
guidelines
and
connections
plan?
It's
probably
a
little
early
for
the
design
guidelines,
but
I
think.
Are
we
comfortable
with
the
changes
to
the
connections
plan
that
have
been
proposed?
Tab
like
to
them?
Are
we
okay
with
these
sure?
Okay,
then
I
got
thumbs
up
on
that.
So
that
covers
our
key
issues.
D
O
I
just
had
a
question
getting
back
to
the
parking,
because
Lau
seemed
a
little
I,
don't
know
if
you
were
just
excited
to
see
a
new
face,
or
you
seemed
a
little
interested
by
this
idea.
But
you
know
one
of
the
things
I'm
thinking
about
is
the
housing
stock
we're
going
to
need
in
25
years,
when
our
population
is
significantly
older
right,
we're
going
to
be
looking
for
kind
of
more
smaller
units
and
things
like
that
I'm
just
curious
from
my
colleagues
really.
O
Would
anybody
be
interested
or
open
to
a
special
ordinance
if
Ali
could
reduce
the
parking
and
get
us
more
housing
units
and
I?
Don't
know
if
that's
even
possible
but
I'm,
just
I'm
curious
from
colleagues?
If
that's
something
that
would
be
of
interest,
could
we
potentially
reduce
parking
given
or
had
an
important
future
with
less
cars?
I'm.
H
Pretty
sure
I
read
Ali's
notes
that
to
make
for
people
to
buy
units,
they
really
do
want
a
place
to
put
their
car,
even
if
they
don't
use
it
so
I
don't
think
it's
something.
I
would
agree
to
just
because
there
is
winter
here,
and
people
do
have
a
car,
even
if
it's
just
one
and
so
I
think
that's
asking
a
lot
for
older
people
to
not
have
a
car
in
the
winter.
AR
Was
just
going
to
say
that
if
we
do
go
down
the
rental
at
165
units
and
the
number
there'd
be
154
spaces
for
those
165
units
is
the
way
it
would
work
out.
D
Well,
I'll
just
call
myself
to
Nicole's
question:
I
mean
I
I
feel
like
the
having
the
in
almost
the
entire
first
floor
would
be
parking,
is
an
inefficient
use
of
the
the
space,
so
I'd
be
open
into
looking
at
potentially
a
bigger
parking
reduction.
So
it's
worth
exploring
as
the
project
moves
forward.
F
The
issue
right
is
that
you
need
the
square
footage
the
amount
of
square
footage
in
the
parking
to
get
the
amount
of
square
footage
of
residential
similar
to
what
we
had
at
Macy's
right.
So
it
would
require
a
special
ordinance
for
reduction
in
parking
square
footage,
as
opposed
to
like
when
they're
doing
the
additional
units.
That's
just
a
parking
reduction
on
the
unit
count
and
so
I
think
it
seems,
and
I
could
be
wrong.
D
Thanks
for
articulating
that
Lauren,
yes
and
and
which
I
understand
and
I
guess,
I
might
say
to
that
specific
point
like
it's
probably
not
worth
it
to
remove
five
parking
spots.
But
if
you
felt
like
there
were
a
significantly
more
valuable
use
of
the
first
floor
for
part
of
the
first
floor
and
you
feel
like
you
could
Implement
a
strong
Transportation
demand
Management
program
to
accommodate
some
fewer
cars.
It
might
be
worth
considering
to
your
specific
point.
F
R
Just
wanted
to
say,
as
I
was
hearing
all
my
colleagues
make
their
comments.
I
just
wanted
to
say.
I
just
wanted
to
thank
Ally
for
the
level
of
Engagement.
All
throughout
this
process.
I
have
seen
he's
reached
out.
He
sent
email
to
us.
He
invited
us
to
in
meetings
to
also
look
at
the
plan
with
him.
So
I
really
appreciate
the
details
and
also
engaging
all
of
us
into
this
process.
So
at
least
I've
been
very
engaged,
so
I
really
appreciate
it.
Thank
you.
Thank.
AR
F
AR
I
think
that
our
next
step
is
to
go
and
try
go
for
the
results
so
that
we're
comfortable
as
we
continue
to
develop
the
plans
and
spend
more
money
on
Adam
here
and
we're
we're
heading
the
right
direction.
So,
if
I
think
I've
heard
from
your
comments
that
that
everybody's
in
support
of
the
mu3
upsonic.
D
Appreciate
that
great
staff,
do
you
need
anything
else
from
us?
You
get.
We
feel
like
we've
gone
through
the
issues,
yeah.
AD
AR
D
D
A
D
A
D
Let's
do
it
Elisha.
W
B
D
Great
job,
so
Chris
I'll
turn
it
to
you
to
hand
off
to
the
appropriate
staff.
I
I
am
happy
to
for
our
last
item
of
the
evening.
We
have
our
interim
director
of
Transportation
Natalie
Stiffler,
as
well
as
Transportation
planner
DK,
who
is
here
for
a
little
while
longer
for
us,
but
he's
pulling
up
the
presentation
and
then
we'll
Dive,
Right
In
here
so.
X
X
X
All
right
well
good
evening:
Council
I
am
DK
senior
Transportation
planner,
and
it's
great
to
be
back
with
you
all
this
evening.
We
have
a
lot
of
information
to
share
with
you
regarding
the
key
findings
from
the
shared
e-scooter
evaluation
report,
as
well
as
some
preliminary
next
steps
to
formalize
the
program
in
2023.
We
look
forward
to
addressing
any
questions
following
this
presentation.
X
Before
we
initiated
the
charity,
scooter
pilot
program
staff
identified
several
criteria
by
which
we
would
measure
the
efficacy
of
the
program.
All
these
criteria
were
evaluated
during
the
pilot
program,
but
with
a
special
emphasis
on
safety
and
sustainability,
as
these
criteria
were,
and
still
are,
of
very
high
importance.
X
And
here's
where
we
are
in
terms
of
the
overall
shared
e-scooter
evaluation
process
in
2020
city
council
directed
staff
to
include
e-scooters
in
the
shared
micro
Mobility
Program,
but
in
the
limited
service
area,
east
of
28th
Street
with
the
intention
to
test
e-scooters
and
determine
if
they
are
in
fact
a
good
fit
for
bowler.
Since
then,
we've
selected
a
vendor
lime
who's
with
us
tonight.
Through
request
for
proposal
process
and
on
August
17
2021,
we
launched
the
pilot
program.
X
X
Since
the
start,
staff
has
been
observing
the
operational
aspects
of
the
program
and
has
been
a
mixed.
It's
been
a
mix
of
both
good
and
bad
results.
On
one
hand,
the
charity
scooters
have
been
proven
to
be
a
new
convenient
form
of
transportation,
for
people
to
get
to
work
school
and
to
shop
and
run
errands.
On
the
other
hand,
these
scooters
have
had
a
negative
impact
on
people
also
using
sidewalks
and
multi-use
paths,
and
particularly
those
people
with
disabilities.
X
We
summed
up
the
major
themes
we've
heard
from
this
questionnaire:
a
lime
customer
questionnaire
and
numerous
inquirerable
reports,
as
well
as
direct
feedback
to
staff
over
the
year.
In
addition
to
the
issue
of
impeding
sidewalks
and
multi-use
paths,
people
have
also
witnessed
these
scooters.
Abandoning
creeks
and
ditches,
observed
unsafe
riding
behaviors
and
have
expressed
concerns
that
the
unorganized
parking
of
e-scooters
have
added
clutter
to
many
neighborhoods,
but
there's
also
an
appreciation
for
charity
scooters
as
they
provide
a
new
alternative
to
driving
and
are
considered
a
more
convenient
form
of
transportation
and,
quite
frankly,
they're
fun.
X
X
So
today,
lime
has
over
40
000
unique
customers
in
the
boulder
Market
alone.
Their
customers
are
in
the
average
age,
are
the
average
age
of
31
years
old
and
most
of
them
live
in
households
earning
less
than
the
medium
income
level.
This
could
be
attributed
to
a
high
number
of
college
students
using
the
program.
There
also
seems
to
be
an
equal
split
of
people
enjoying
the
recreational
value
of
e-scooters
and
those
people
using
e-scooters
for
utilitarian
purposes.
X
Okay,
now,
let's
look
at
some
of
the
general
stats
at
the
start
of
the
program,
200
e-scooters
were
deployed
through
a
demand
base.
Cap
formula
live
now,
has
300
e-scooters
operating
in
East
Boulder.
A
demand-based
cap
helps
to
regulate
the
overall
number
of
scooters
in
a
market
ensuring
there
is
sufficient
supply
for
people
wishing
to
use
an
e-scooter
for
their
Journey
over
the
course
of
the
pilot
program.
115
000
trips
regenerated
equaling,
nearly
118
000
miles
traveled
and,
as
you
can
see,
e-scooter
trips
are
generally
short
about
one
mile.
X
X
X
And
because
safety
is
such
an
important
Criterion,
let's
take
a
deeper
dive.
Our
report
examines
City
and
University
crash
records.
Only
that
said,
we've
also
been
coordinating
with
Boulder
Boulder
Community
Health's
trauma
unit,
and
unfortunately,
they
did
not
have
a
system
in
place
to
track
shared
e-scooter
crashes
in
2022.
However,
this
is
something
they
are
planning
to
track
in
2023
in
conjunction
with
the
state
of
Colorado,
so
that
will
be
a
good
source
of
data.
X
To
compare
our
crash
records
to
frankly,
based
on
the
early
National
charity
scooter
crash
data,
we
honestly
thought
there
would
be
we'd
see
more
frequent
and
more
severe
shared
executor
crashes,
but
we
didn't.
We
think
this
is
due
to
several
contributing
factors.
One
the
durability
of
the
e-scooters
has
greatly
improved,
since
2018.
more
people
have
become
from
number
two
more
people
have
become
familiar
with
these
scooters
based
on
experiences
elsewhere.
X
X
Look
at
mode
shift,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
we
used
a
25
figure
to
estimate
mode
shift
for
motor
vehicle
vehicles
to
an
e-scooter,
but
it's
clear
from
the
responses
in
the
questionnaire
that
shared
e-scooters
may
be
displacing
more
motor
vehicle
chips.
In
fact,
nearly
half
of
the
e-scooter
chips
appear
to
have
done
so
that
said,
active
Transportation
ships
are
also
impacted.
Nearly
30
percent
of
respondents
said
they
would
have
walked
if
an
e-scooter
was
not
available.
X
We
also
ask
people
where
they
normally
ride
in
these
scooter.
Bike
lanes
and
multi-use
paths
are
very
popular
and
some
people
indicated
sidewalks
staff
wanted
to
know
why
people
are
riding
these
scooters
on
the
sidewalk
since
it's
illegal.
Unless
there
is
no
adjacent
bike
facility
in
the
street,
then
they
may
do
so,
but
the
number
one
reason
why
people
don't
want
to
ride
in
the
street
in
the
bike
lane
is
because
they
are
fearful
of
vehicular
traffic,
vehicular
speeds
and
also
traffic
volume,
they're.
X
Okay,
now,
let's
shift
our
attention
to
overall
utilization.
We
also
examined
utilization
in
other
identified
zones
within
the
city
like
employment,
centers,
CU,
bullers,
East
campuses.
However,
for
the
sake
of
time,
denial
I
will
not
be
covering
those
areas
in
tonight's
presentation,
but
if
any
questions
come
up
regarding
those
areas,
we
are
prepared
to
speak
to
those.
X
Okay,
this
is
an
interesting
map.
The
heat
Maps
represent
all
routes,
traveled
with
an
East
Boulder
service
area
and,
as
you
can
see,
e-scooters
have
penetrated
all
parts
of
East
Boulder
and
they
have
been
ridden
on
nearly
every
street
and
multi-use
path.
The
dark
purple
Corridor
running
north
south
is
30th
Street.
X
And
here's
a
look
at
trip
starts
the
dark
purple,
polygons,
Decay,
High
activity
levels
and,
as
you
can
see,
all
Focus
areas
are
in
these
zones.
If
I
showed
you
a
trip
ends
meet
map,
sorry
trip
ends
map.
It
would
look
very
much
similar
to
this
map
in
that
most
trips
are
under
one
mile
29th
Street
mall
is
a
major
destination
indicating
Shady
scooters
May
induce
some
economic
activity
connecting
people
to
goods
and
services.
X
A
stipulation
of
the
city
services
agreement
with
Lyme
requires
Lyme
to
provide
charity,
scooter,
accessibility
to
committee
members
of
traditionally
underserved
Community
neighbor
underserved
neighborhoods.
There
are
five
racial
Equity
areas,
identifying
the
East
Boulder
service
area
and
being
Orchard
Grove
San
Juan
Del,
Centro,
La,
Vista
and
Parkside
Villages
and
San
Lazaro.
X
In
total,
there
were
9
370
trips
starts
stemming
from
the
racial
equities
area,
limes
affordability
program
called
lime.
Access
has
experienced
somewhat
low
participation
in
the
first
year
of
operation.
This
may
be
due
to
participants
unwillingness
to
share
personal
and
financial
data
with
a
private
entity
as
staff
approaches.
Program
formalization
in
2023
staff
will
continue
to
ensure
that
racial
Equity
remains
a
central
consideration
of
ongoing
program
improvements.
X
Okay,
so
before
we
transition
to
the
last
part
of
the
presentation
and
share
staff's
proposed
next
steps,
let's
take
a
quick
look
at
how
lime
and
B
cycle
are
working
together.
This
is
fascinating.
Combined,
b-cycle
and
lime
have
600
shared
Vehicles
operating
in
Boulder,
300,
e-bikes
and
300E
scooters
together,
they've
generated
513
000,
shared
micro
Mobility
trips
during
the
pilot
program
time
frame
equating
to
approximately
817
700
vehicle
miles
travel.
X
Okay,
I
promise:
this
is
the
final
section
of
tonight's
presentation.
The
key
findings
from
the
evaluation
report
and
Community
input
to
date
have
informed
or
preliminary
set
of
proposed
next
steps
to
guide
the
transition
from
the
pilot
phase
to
a
formal
program.
Okay,
let's
begin
here
are
the
initial
program
areas
we
think
comprise
the
foundation
of
our
next
phase
for
the
charity.
X
Expanding
the
program
Citywide
is
is
a
proposed
next
steps,
but
to
do
so
in
a
manner
that
exercise
strategic
and
coordinated
approach
with
stakeholders
and
builders.
Most
sensitive
areas
such
as
Pearl,
Street,
Mall
and
University
Hill
staff
will
also
continue
coordinating
with
CU
Boulder,
as
they
deem
the
appropriate
steps
necessary
to
continue
expansion
on
cu's,
Main
Campus.
X
X
And
to
address
many
of
the
concerns
associated
with
improperly
parked
e-scooters
in
sensitive
zones
like
Pearl
Street
Mall
staff
is
proposing
the
designated
designation
of
mandatory
designated
parking
zones,
consisting
of
both
on
and
off
Street
signed
and
marked
facilities.
Coordination
with
stakeholders
on
these
locations
will
be
imperative
to
the
success
of
the
strategy,
and
this
next
slide
provides
an
example
of
what
these
designated
parking
areas
may
look
like.
X
X
X
First,
most
importantly,
we
we're
going
to
eliminate
impacts
to
people
with
disabilities
on
sidewalks
and
multi-use
paths.
We
want
a
creative
culture
of
safety
and
courtesy
in
our
multi-use
path
system
through
signing
and
marketing
and
safety
education
efforts,
and
we
want
to
ramp
up
safety,
education,
safety,
education
messaging
through
special
events
and
social
media
campaigns.
X
And
in
terms
of
racial
Equity,
there's
more
work
in
coordination
to
be
done
to
optimize
a
program
for
people
living
in
traditionally
under
certain
neighborhoods,
such
as
San
Lazaro,
San,
monocentro
and
Orchard
Park.
Through
continued
coordination
with
the
city's
connectors
and
residence
program,
we
aim
to
remove
barriers
to
access,
Lyme's
affordability
program
and
increase
overall
utilization
stemming
from
all
racial
Equity
zones
in
Boulder.
X
The
city
has
been
collecting
license
and
pro-ri
fees
and
to
date
has
amassed
over
twenty
thousand
dollars
from
shared
e-scooter
operations,
combined
with
revenue
from
B
Cycles
license
and
per
chip
fees.
The
city
will
determine
the
appropriate
expenditures
to
support
and
Advance
the
overall
shared
micro,
Mobility
Program.
X
Okay,
let's
Circle
back
to
where
we
were
where
we
are
in
the
process-
and
you
know,
following
tonight's
discussion-
will
fold
council's
feedback
into
our
overall
next
steps
to
refine
the
program.
These
steps
will
will
be
implemented
over
2023
and
will
continue
to
coordinate
with
affected
stakeholders
and
monitor
and
evaluate
the
program
over
time
to
ensure
program
optimization,
particularly
in
the
way
of
safety
and
sustainability.
D
S
A
D
For
being
here,
questions
first
staff
before
we
give
feedback,
Rachel,
Matt
Laura.
A
N
Them
so
on
the
serious
injuries
column
it
looked
like.
There
were
four
serious
injuries,
two
were
severe
head
injuries
and
then
you
know:
I
read:
the
crashes
off
hasn't
happened
because
of
human
behavior
and
we're
trying
to
make
it
more
safe.
But
did
we
do
a
root
cause
analysis?
It
looked
like
some
of
it
was
speed,
related
and
I
I.
Just
are
we
doing
everything
we
can
like
having
investigated
those
specific
crashes
in
our
town
to
figure
out
if
we
needed
to
make
any
changes.
X
With
every
crash
that
occurs,
particularly
when
there's
severe
crashes,
we
do
in
analysis
to
figure
out
how
and
why
that
happened.
We
work
closely
with
PD
on
those
and.
N
X
N
Okay,
well,
the
the
inebriation
one
maybe
gets
to
my
next
question,
which
is
I
I
saw
that
we
want
to
expand
hours.
Maybe
past
11
for
service
industry
workers
I
think
is.
That
is
that,
just
for,
because
I
think
we
were
pretty
intentional
about
like
we're,
gonna
cut
it
off
at
hours
when
people
might
be
most
likely
drinking.
How
will
we
no
like
why?
How
is
it
going
to
be
just
service
workers
who
are
going
after
11.
X
N
Like
let's
say,
Lauren
and
I
go
get
a
beer
after
this,
and
you
know
we.
Let's
say
we
were
service
workers
and
then
we
could
could
how?
How
will
we
be
educating
people
on
like
that?
Doesn't
you
still
can't
drink
and
use
the
scooter
or
like
we
don't
want
anybody
using
them
inebriated,
ideally
right.
That's.
N
Hopefully,
and
then
last
question
is
just
in
the
neighborhoods
like
we
pretty
routinely
have
a
couple
scooters
on
my
street
and
and
they're
often
there
for
extended
periods
and
I'm,
looking
at
the
this
spot
in
in
a
neighborhood
Park
East
Square,
where
you've
designated
a
street
like
how
many
neighborhoods
will
that
happen
for
or
what
are
we
doing
in
terms
of
the
designated
geofenced
spots,
where
you
know
it
is
obstructing
when
they're
on
the
sidewalk
for
General
neighborhood
people
getting
around?
N
X
Right,
so
a
lot
has
to
do
with
the
use
like
where
the,
where
are
the
hot
zones,
where
people
are
picking
up
the
screws
and
chopping
them
off
most
and
so
we'll
try
to
choreograph
that
data
that
we
have
today
with
where
how
people
are
using
them
with
where
we
would
locate
these
new
stations
and
make
them
visible
for
people.
So
a
lot
of
the
neighborhoods
that
we'll
see
will
have
these
pop
up.
X
If
you
will
designated
areas
where
people
can
drop
off
the
scooter,
but
essentially
we
want
to
forego
the
ability
just
to
drop
off
a
scooter
anywhere,
and
so
the
frequency
of
these
is
going
to
be
really
important
with
the
success
of
this
program,
so
that
there's
enough
locations
that
people
have
an
opportunity
to
drop
them
off.
Well,.
N
But
it
like
I
assume
that
what's
happening
in
my
neighborhood
is
people
are
picking
him
up
on
the
perimeter
of
of
Cu
and
then
driving
the
full
mile
to
their
house
and
there's
not
going
to
be
an
easy
place
along
Thunderbird
drive
to
to
park
one
so
like.
But
if
you
got
a
one-off
doing
it
pretty
much
every
day,
how
are
we
going
to
get
those
out
of
people's
way.
X
N
X
N
D
X
AU
X
That
said,
we
we
do
plan
to
maintain
the
dockless
capability
at
some
of
the
activity
centers
in
the
city,
so
major
shopping,
centers
like
29th,
Street,
Mall,
Baseline
baseball,
you
know
shopping
area.
Those
particular
areas
will
still
have
a
dockless
capability,
so
you
can
pick
it
up,
drop
it
off
any
anywhere.
You
like
on
that
property.
X
E
Matt
so
find
it
kind
of
interesting
that
with
Miles
traveled,
it's
almost
a
full
round
trip
to
the
moon
and,
back
so
I
think
that's
that's
pretty
cool.
My
question
since
goes
around
sort
of
what
are
I
didn't
really
see
in
here.
So
I'm
curious.
Are
there
estimates
of
what
the
2020
with
the
expansion,
what
these
2023
sort
of
metrics
would
be
in
terms
of
trips
and
distance
traveled
and
any
of
those
pieces,
so
I'm
just
kind
of
wondering
like
what
or
is
there
what?
E
X
A
lot
of
the
numbers
will
still
be
will
need
to
be
worked
out
depending
on
where
the
demand
is,
but
if
we
double
the
fleet
and
because
of
the
greater
frequency
or
the
greater
accessibility
throughout
the
city,
we
would
see
more
trips
taking
place
to
access,
Origins
and
destinations.
So,
even
though
we'd
be
doubling
the
the
number
of
scooters
number
of
devices
within
the
community,
we
could
eat
possibly
double
or
even
triple
the
amount
of
greenhouse
gas
savings
because
of
increased
induced
trips.
So.
E
X
It's
very
it's
very
doable
and
we've
actually
been
in
contact
with
climate
initiatives
and
a
lot
of
the
stuff,
also
in
conjunction
with
the
Electric
Mobility
work
plan,
so
trying
to
fold
that
element
into
this
overall
project
too,
because
that
relates
back
exactly
back
to
greenhouse
gas
emissions.
So
to
have
the
benefits
greenhouse
gas
benefits
that
we've
seen
and
then
projecting
into
the
future.
What
we
could
see
is
is
underway
all
right.
E
F
Thank
you.
You
talked
about
having
geo-fencing
for
parking
and
then
I
know.
We
also
have
like
where
we're
allowed
to
ride
them.
Currently.
F
X
X
F
Thank
you.
So
will
we
be
kind
of
collecting
data
and
looking
at
where
that
might
make
sense,
as
we
move
forward
absolutely.
X
You
know
you
know
this
program.
Most
definitely
is
organic
and
will
evolve
over
time.
The
optimization
you
just
don't
jump
over
it
next
day
and
you're
there.
It's
going
to
take
time
to
refine
it,
so
it'll
get
better
and
better.
F
Thank
you.
My
other
question
is
sort
of
about
the
affordability
and
you
talked
about
you
know,
working
with
Community,
connectors
and
sort
of
discussing
with
people.
Some
of
the
hurdles
to
that.
Might
we
also
look
at
how
the
program
itself
is
structured
and
if
there
are
ways
for
us
to
not
require
people
giving
personal
information
to
a
private
company
or
some
of
the
things
that
are
making
people
uncomfortable
like?
Can
we
come
up
with
a
different
mechanism
that
allows
like
you
were
talking
with.
F
X
We'll
need
to
talk
about
that
more
with
Lyme
as
they
or
their
provider,
and
you
know
they
have
a
terms
of
use
contract
that
they
have
with
each
individual
Rider
and
so
having
some
of
that
information
and
having
them
signed.
A
waiver
is
key
and
then
also
the
requirements
for
the
lime.
Access
program
right
now
follows
Federal
documentation
of
being
eligible
for
the
affordability
program,
but
there
might
be
ways
in
that
area
anyway,
to
have
some
more
flexibility
potentially
and
if
there's
a
way
in
which
you
know
I
don't
want
to
keep
this
away.
T
X
So
that's
that's
the
trick
with
the
with
geofencing
right
now.
It's
not
that
laser-like
focused
in
terms
of
where
you
so
geofencing
right
now
cannot
distinguish
between
10
feet
between
a
sidewalk
and
a
street.
We.
AQ
X
X
So
that's
why
we
hit
when
we
roll
into
the
more
sensitive
areas
like
Pearl,
Street,
Mall
and
University
Hill,
we've
got
to
think
really
carefully
about
how
we
allow
access
to
those
areas
we
want
circulation
through,
but
we
definitely
don't
want
them
rotting
around
in
the
downtown
on
sidewalks,
and
so
that's
going
to
be
the
trick.
Moving
forward
as.
P
O
Thank
you,
and
thanks
for
the
presentation,
I'm
asking
you
to
have
a
little
bit
of
a
crystal
ball
here.
So
I
understand
it's
a
harder
question,
but
I'm
wondering
when
the
higher
density,
neighborhoods
in
larger
residents
or
largely
residential
areas
can
think
about
getting
these
scooters
and
I.
O
Think
I
may
be
being
a
little
bit
selfish
here,
but
it
seems
ideal
to
have
them
embedded
in
neighborhoods
like
mine,
that
are
higher
density
residential,
but
still
have
half
a
mile
to
a
mile
to
go
until
they
can
get
to
Transit,
especially
in
you
know
some
of
these
neighborhoods
that
are
higher
density,
that
the
savings
would
have
a
significant
impact
on
people's
cost
of
living.
So
anyway,.
X
With
your
crystal
ball
yeah
well,
I
would
say
that
lime
is
I'm.
Sorry
I
would
say
that
lime
is
very
cute
or
Keen
into
where
they're
going
to
be
able
to
make
the
most
money.
They
are
profit,
motivated
and
so
they're
going
to
want
to
provide
the
service
to
where
they're
going
to
see
the
most
use
and
high
density
neighborhoods
are
going
to
be
those
areas
where
they're
going
to
want
to
Stack
the
area
with
scooters.
X
We
need
to
be
frank
with
with
the
financial
aspect,
but
they
do
have
to
maintain
a
profitable
business
and
that's
tough
to
do.
But
it's
interesting
because
that
is
also
what
kind
of
drives
use
is
the
high
demand
and
high
density
areas
have
higher
demand,
as
opposed
to
the
lower
density
areas
within
the
city.
O
X
The
next
year,
you
know
I,
think
we've
got
some
stuff
on
the
east
side
that
we'd
like
to
get
in
shape
before
we
expand
into
West
of
28th
Street,
and
so
but
I
would
imagine
it's
this
year
that
we
begin
to
expand
Citywide,
but
I
can't
give
you
the
exact
month.
At
this
point.
X
D
H
So,
first
of
all
wait
let
me
just
look
at
my
nose
for
a
second
okay.
My
first
question
is:
is
hybrid,
so
just
for
me
to
get
this
you
mind
if
I
stand
so
I'm
not
going
to
sit.
My
first
question
is
hybrid,
so
it's
hybrid
because
you're
still
going
to
have
certain
streets
that
are
dockless
but
you're.
Not
people
aren't
going
to
be
able
to
take
their
scooters
home
anymore
and.
X
Leave
them
there.
The
hybrid
really
refers
to
like
I
mentioned,
having
the
dockless
capability
at
some
of
our
activity.
Centers
like
shopping
centers,.
A
U
H
H
Yeah
so
I'm
wondering:
can
you
I'm
thinking
about
how
some
I
know
it's
illegal
to
ride
them
on
sidewalks,
but
I
noticed
that
almost
every
lime,
scooter
person
said
they
didn't
feel
safe
to
ride
them
on
the
streets,
especially
like
Arapahoe
and
such
would
there
be
possibility
and
you
can
blame
them.
Nobody,
so
would
there
be
possibilities
of
certain
streets
like
Baseline,
up
Baseline
down
Arapahoe,
where
they
can
nice
wide
sidewalks
that
they
can
ride
them?
A
X
Look
at
the
policy
around
riding
e-scooters
on
sidewalks
and
recognizing
that
not
all
corridors
and
sidewalks
are
equal
and
and
that
there
are
some
locations
where
there's
very
low
pedestrian
volume
and
those
areas
may
be
suitable
to
allow
e-scooters
on
sidewalks
like
55th
Street
like
Arapahoe,
like
you
mentioned
this
Baseline
and
whatnot.
H
Right
so
I
would
think
more
suitable
than
like
University
Hill,
where
there's
a
lot
of
smaller
streets,
and
you
know
people
nervous
about
being
hit
like
Mark,
very.
AB
H
Parking
well
in
general,
it's
just
it's
a
Pity
that
people
some
most
people
are
probably
fine.
You
know
they
probably
behave
well
and
there's
a
small
percentage
of
people
that
are
this
far
from
hitting
Mark
or
you
know,
drunk
or
you
know
right.
X
So
we're
speaking
of
the
enforcement
of
where
people
are
riding
and
how
they're
riding.
H
H
To
focus
on
I
was
thinking
of
lime,
giving
them
a
fine
if
there's
some
way
that
they
can
look
in
their
crystal
ball.
That
Nicole
was.
X
Know
a
lot
of
times
when
the
e-scooters
are
parked
in
properly
it's
because
they've
been
tampered
with
after
the
after
the
use
of
the
scooter.
So
it's
the
third
party
and
and
that's
why
getting
back
to
the
designated
parking
area
makes
a
lot
of
sense
because
you
don't
have
e-scooters
that,
are
you
know
far
away
from
the
you
know,
kind
of
the
main
area
where
they're
being
used,
and
so
when
they
are
more
remote,
they're,
more
susceptible
for
or
vandalism,
and
that's
when
we
they
end
up
in
trees
and
in
ditches
and
and
whatnot.
So.
AQ
H
U
H
And
but
let's
say
somebody
gets
off
a
bus,
are
they
then
going
to
have?
Are
there
going
to
be
scooters
right
there
for
people
to
take?
What
does
via
have
to
do
with
it?.
X
So
yes,
the
first
and
final
mile
is
a
significant
aspect
of
shared
micro-mobility
to
pair
these
devices
with
Transit
stops,
so
that
people
have
the
combination
of
being
able
to
use
a
scooter
or
bike
to
get
to
it.
Transit
stop
take
the
bus,
get
off
the
destination
and
then
have
another
one
available
for
the
last
leg
of
their
Journey,
so
that
makes
sense
from
a
local
perspective
too,
and
we're
also
thinking
about
that
from
a
regional
perspective.
X
So,
yes,
yeah,
that's
that's
being
done
today
and
as
part
of
our
next
proposed
next
step,
we
hope
to
amplify
that.
D
X
Right,
so
there
was
a
lot
of
interest
around
this
when
we
presented
to
the
downtown
Boulder
partnership
and
also
to
the
the
downtown
downtown
management
commission.
Thank
you
around
providing
more
Transportation
options
for
people
who
work
downtown.
Instead
of
using
a
car.
They
can
use
micro
Mobility,
but
they
want
to
make
it
easy
and
so
through
General
improvement,
district
tax
dollars.
Potentially
those
monies
could
be
used
to
subsidize
passes
for
employees
of
downtown
and
that
could
be
for
University
Hill.
X
It
could
be
for
Boulder
Junction
or
for
the
downtown
area,
and
so
and
then
the
concept
of
a
Mobility
card
was
that
would
be
like
a
sort
of
a
One-Stop
shop.
You
know-
and
that's
that's
really
dreaming
at
this
point.
You
know
how
we
would
be
able
to
use
a
car
that
you
could
use
for
Transit
that
you
could
use
for
e-bikes
that
you
could
use
for
e-scooters
that
you
could
use
to
rent
a
locker
you
know
and
so,
but
having
just
that
convenience
factor
of
just
one
unit
of
currency.
L
AU
Well,
yeah
I
can
just
say
that
it's
not
something
that
it's
not
a
project
on
the
work
plan,
yet
it's
definitely
something
that
it's
a
vision
that
I
think
everyone
shares
kind
of
the
local
governments
across
the
region
and
RTD,
and
probably
also
the
micro
Mobility
providers,
would
be
my
guess,
but
the
technology
really
I
mean
hasn't
been
there
and
been
proven
at
least
largely
across
the
United
States.
Yet
so
that's
something
we
definitely
know.
We
need
at
some
point
in
the
future,
but
it's
not
quite
there.
Yet.
N
I
guess
I'm
I'm,
just
continuing
with
my
earlier
concern
like
I'm,
so
impressed
with
the
numbers
on
the
first
and
last
mile
solution
and,
unlike
our
average,
is
one
mile
right
like
it's
so
awesome
that
we're
getting
people
from
their
house
to
the
scooter
but
I
feel
like
if
I'm
visualizing,
the
people
who
are
using
them
in
my
neighborhood
if
they
pick
it
up
at
Table,
Mesa
park
and
ride
or
near
cu,
and
especially
like
people
from
out
of
town
getting
disabled,
Mesa
they're
going
to
ride
it.
N
N
We're
gonna
lose
people
there
and
it
seems
like
it
almost
has
to
get
to
a
point
where,
on
the
end
of
every
block,
you
would
have
one
of
those
things
that
you
showed
us
in
that
neighborhood
available,
because
otherwise,
if
we're
trying
to
get
people
from
their
home-
and
we
are
a
largely
you
know-
single
family
home
spread
out
city
in
some
ways
like
not
everybody's,
going
to
live
near
one
of
these
spots,
where
you
can
dock
I
just
think
we're
gonna.
It
doesn't
make
sense
to
me
as
a
first
Last
Mile
solution.
E
Oh
I,
I'll
start
by
saying
I
think
this
kind
of
exemplifies
what
a
pilot
program
is
right.
You
set
some
goals.
You
have
some
aspirations,
you
set
it
in
motion
you
adapt
and
then
you
say:
Let's
scrap,
let's,
let's
fix
the
bad
and
expand
the
good.
E
That's
what
I
see
here
so
I
I
like
where
this
is
headed
and
I
do
share
some
of
these
concerns,
but
I
I
think
there's
been
a
case
study
that,
in
this
program,
there's
adaptability
to
want
to
adjust
in
real
time
and
and
make
those
changes
so
credit
to
staff
credit
to
to
Lime
for
for
being
adaptable
and
working
with
us
and
our
community.
So
thank
you
and
I,
just
I
like
where
this
is
headed
and
I'm
excited
to
see
where
the
expansion
goes
and
and
especially
when
it
reaches
downtown
and
other
core
areas.
W
H
So
if
I
hope
people
aren't
watching
me
late
at
night,
everybody
shut
off
their
TV
already,
so
that
me,
that
will
be
great
if
we
students
are
really
on
on
these
things,
and
so
that
really
is
exciting
for
us
for
less
traffic,
because
less
because
more
students
are
riding
e-bikes
and
they're
also
riding
scooters.
So,
although
some
people
are
scared
of
being
hit,
I
look
at
the
good,
and
that
is
that
we're
going
to
have
less
traffic,
because
students
really
like
to
ride
them.
H
R
Thank
you.
I
just
want
to
say
that
from
reading
the
packet
I'm,
thank
you
for
how
you,
how
do
I
put
it?
How
do
you
analyze
or
put
things
together
when
you
talked
about
safety
again,
I've
been
on
Council
for
three
years
and
I've
seen
this
program
being
deployed
and
the
concerns
had
been
people
with
disabilities,
the
scooters
being
littered
all
over
the
place
and
I
feel
like
this.
R
Particular
memo
has
been
really
trying
hard
to
explain
to
us
the
part
of
some
of
the
solutions
and
the
fact
that
in
the
future,
you'll
be
working
on
that
as
well.
So
thank
you
for
that.
That's
greatly
appreciated
and
also
another
part.
You
mentioned
education
as
well,
using
different
media
to
educate
Community.
That's
thank
you
for
for
that
aspect
of
it
as
well,
and
the
safety
so
safety,
equity
and
education
I
saw
that
all
throughout
the
memo.
R
That's
greatly
appreciated
and
one
last
thought
I
wanted
to
add,
not
to
co-op
your
idea
but
consider
geofencing,
I
I.
Welcome
that
thought
around
certain
time,
if
that's
even
possible,
because
again
when
it
comes
to
community
members,
people
who
are
maybe
using
these
scooters
at
night
time
when
they're
drinking
in
certain
areas,
you're
going
15
miles
an
hour
on
a
sidewalk.
There
are
safety
issues
there.
If
there
is
time
geofencing
I
think
that's
a
great
idea.
If
there's
area
geofencing
I
also
think
that
would
be
a
great
idea
as
well.
Thank
you.
AB
P
P
Care
of
the
second
is
the
unsightliness
of
scooters
everywhere
and
I
think
you're
addressing
that,
although
frankly
I'm
not
sure
why
you
wouldn't
put
geofence
parking
areas
in
the
shopping
centers,
you
just
dump
your
bike
and
go
go
shopping,
but
the
third
I
think
still
requires
a
little
bit
of
work,
which
is
pedestrian
safety.
P
What
I,
don't
want
to
see
happen
is
is
have
people
who
are
used
to
walking,
feel
unsafe
and
get
in
their
car
that
sort
of
defeats
the
the
whole
basis
of
the
program,
so
I
think
there's
still
more
to
be
done
with
that
and
I
I
hope.
We
will
continue
to
refine
this
so
that
safety
of
pedestrians
is
dealt
with
in
a
stronger
way,
but
other
than
that.
I.
P
Think
everything
that
I'm
hearing
is
is
a
positive
and
going
in
the
right
direction,
and
you
know,
as
Matt
said,
I
applaud
you
for
the
flexibility
to
adapt
to
conditions
and
and
continue
to
make
refinements
to
the
program,
and
you
know
you've
made
great
great
progress,
you're
almost
there,
but
there's
a
little
more
work
to
be
done
on.
You
know,
sidewalks.
T
F
Yeah
I
appreciate
all
the
detailed
thought
that's
gone
into
this
proposal.
I
think
for
me,
the
two
areas
that
I
want
to
see
continue
to
evolve
are
just
around
sort
of
thinking
about
maybe
different
kinds
of
zones
that
might
happen
throughout
the
city.
F
I
think
that
for
a
lot
you
know
especially
more
dense
areas
of
the
city,
the
parking,
the
geofence
parking
areas
make
a
lot
of
sense,
but
as
we
move
out
into
more
Suburban
areas
around
town
that
there
might
be
different
areas
of
town
where
that
doesn't
make
as
much
sense
and
so
just
continuing
to
think
about
what
what's
appropriate,
where
in
the
community
there
with
that
and
and
also
with
speeds,
you
know
and
just
thinking
about
what
parts
of
town
what
speeds
make
sense.
F
D
You
great
I'll
I'll
call
on
myself
here
and
I'm
just
going
to
go
back
to
a
few
years
ago,
when
we
were
teetering
on
the
edge
of
microability
Mobility
disappearing
right,
because
B
cycle
was
on
the
verge
of
going
away
and
we
didn't
have
a
good
scooter
program
or
plan
in
place
at
that
time,
and
it
was
really
looking
pretty
bad
for
our
first
and
final
mile
micro,
Mobility
future
and
meanwhile
b-cycled,
not
the
subject's
night,
but
they've
transitioned
to
the
e-bike
successfully.
D
Their
numbers
are
through
the
roof,
which
is
fantastic
and
we've
had
this
very
successful
e-scooter
pilot.
So
just
huge
Kudos
right
like
it.
It
was
looking
dark
there
for
a
little
while
and-
and
it's
going
so
well
now
and
I
think
you're
absolutely
on
target
with
these
next
steps.
So
I'd
absolutely
support
you
I'll
just
Echo
a
couple
things
I
think
Rachel's
point
about
that
balance
of
the
where
the
dockings
are
I
mean
I,
think
it's
generally
worth
it,
because
the
the
sidewalk
obstructions
and
users
with
disabilities.
D
That's
a
problem
right
so
but
it's
got
to
be
done
carefully
so
that
it's
still
a
usable
program.
So
maybe
that's
a
phased
in
thing,
you
know,
maybe
it's
maybe
the
the
docs
take
over
slowly,
you
know
and
and
it
obviously
it's
going
to
be
iterative
right.
We
know
that,
but
that's
going
to
need
some
work
for
sure
and
I
also
just
want
to
really
commend
the
focus
on
racial
equity
and
the
way
that
that's
been
implemented
so
far
and
it
seems
like
it
hasn't.
It
hasn't
been
100
successful.
D
It's
made
a
real
difference
and
I
think
there's
probably
gotten
a
lot
more
writers
in
those
area
in
those
areas
than
they
would
have.
If
we
hadn't
paid
attention
to
that,
so
Kudos
on
that
and
that'll
be
really
important
to
continue
that
work
as
we
spread
into
the
rest
of
the
city
right
and
to
evaluate
potential
other
areas
that
deserve
the
same
level
of
attention.
So
I
imagine
you'll
be
thinking
about
that
as
well.
But,
just
mostly
you
know,
huge
Kudos
and
looking
forward
to
the
next
steps.
D
X
D
All
right
any
final
thoughts
before
we
wrap
up
for
the
evening,
okay
good,
to
go
thanks
thanks
for
another
good
set
of
conversations.
Everybody
I'll
gavel
us
closed
at
10,
34.