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A
B
Alright
good
evening,
mayor
council,
I'm
David
Fernan,
the
librarian
arts
director
for
the
city
of
Boulder,
glad
to
be
here
tonight's
I'm
here
tonight,
with
Jennifer
Ferris,
the
library's
deputy
director
and
the
project
manager
for
our
master
plan
and
Jen
Bray.
Our
communication
specialist
will
be
taking
notes.
The
Commission
also
has
to
be
seated
at
the
table
tonight
and
I'm
proud
to
have
them
here.
These
are
all
amazing
volunteers.
B
A
B
The
library
commission
has
been
instrumental
all
along
the
way
we
have
been
about
this
process
of
master
planning
for
about
17
months.
We
anticipate
bringing
it
back
to
Council
in
March,
but
this
is
a
study
session
because
you
wanted
to
get
you
a
preview
of
some
of
the
ideas
that
are
coming
down
the
pike
and
knowing
that
some
of
you
are
new
council
members.
We
also
wanted
to
fill
you
in
on
what
the
library
is
and
does
so.
B
That
you
see
in
the
sense
in
which
we
bring
you
back
a
lot
of
things
that
we
say
this
is
what
the
community
desires
of
their
library,
where
ours
is
different.
I
think
in
some
ways
is
that
we
are
also
thinking
about
how
about
some
options
for
the
manner
in
which
we
could
actually
afford
to
do
some
of
these
things
in
a
financially
sustainable
way,
and
that's
the
meaty
part
really,
which
is
going
to
take
a
lot
of
direction
from
Council
and
we're.
B
Hopefully,
that
you'll
give
it
serious
consideration
for
how
we
can
actually
pull
off
a
lot
of
the
desires
that's
community
has
had.
So
what
is
the
public
library?
We
are
a
community
gathering
place
and
that's
been
true,
I
think
a
boulder
public
library
for
really
110
years
it
has
been.
It
has
been
a
good
Library
System
for
a
long
time.
In
the
last
four
years,
we
have
seen
some
pretty
significant
growth
and
that
growth
is
really
again.
B
The
trivia,
Bowl
I
think
a
lot
to
the
community's
investment
in
ideas
and
information
and
enjoying
a
community
place.
So
we
say
in
the
memo
that
nearly
a
million
visitors-
and
that
makes
us
one
of
the
busiest
public
libraries
in
the
state
of
Colorado
what
a
million
visitors
it
sounds.
A
little
bit
like
Austin
Powers
with
is
give
me
a
million
dollars.
It
really
is
not
very
relevant
until
you
see
it
in
comparison
or
in
relation
to
other
places
within
the
city
of
Boulder.
B
So
for
comparison,
that's
five
times
the
amount
of
visitors
for
Chautauqua,
it's
three
times
the
amount
of
visitors
for
all
the
combined
rec
centers.
It's
three
times
the
amount
of
visitors
that
the
reservoir
has.
It's
twice
the
size
of
the
combined
of
the
Museum
of
Boulder,
the
Boulder
Museum
of
Contemporary
Art,
the
dairy
and
Chautauqua
combined.
It's
twice
that
amount,
so
this
is
clearly
a
community
asset
which
the
community
values,
and
so
what
do
they
value
when
they
come
there?
B
B
The
thing
that
they
come
back
for
I
think
is
a
sense
of
of
rejuvenation
of
what
they
can
become
once
they've
digested
this
information
and
become
a
part
of
the
social,
the
social
network,
really
because
the
library
is
essentially
a
social
network
connecting
people
connecting
people
with
ideas
and
disseminating
a
kind
of
social
good
within
our
community.
So
libraries
are
also
based
on
firm
principles,
and
this
is
the
kind
of
thing
which
a
community
like
Boulder,
truly
truly
believes
in.
We
are,
we
are
a
place
that
offers
free
and
open
access.
B
Now
that
sounds
like
again
like
it's
a
little
Austin
Powers
free
and
open
access,
but
we
truly
are
a
free
place
that
open
is
open
to
everyone,
no
matter
what
your
walk
of
life
and
in
a
sense,
it
is
both
in
the
same
way
it's
a
social
network
where
in
the
community
can
come
together.
It's
also
a
great
individual
tool
for
an
individual
who
wants
to
come
in
and
get
their
high
school
diploma,
or
they
want
to
figure
out
how
to
start
a
business.
B
We
are
the
kind
of
ultimate
picking
yourself
up
by
the
bootstraps
kind
of
place.
We
are
a
user
centered
organization
which
is
going
to
respond
to
that
learners
needs
and
take
them
to
the
next
step.
Whatever
that
step
may
be,
whether
it's
a
degree
whether
it's
learning
to
speak
English,
whether
it's
learning
to
read
or
whether
it's
starting
a
corporation,
we
can
help
you
with
all
of
those
things.
B
Libraries
are
also
I
mean
if
you
read
your
resiliency
report
and
your
sustainability
report.
That
is
truly
the
basis
of
what
a
library
is
all
about,
so
you
bring
a
bunch
of
people
together
and
you
share
things.
This
is
the
definition
really
of
a
resilient
and
sustainable
community
and
libraries
exemplify
that
I
think
in
the
city
of
Boulder.
So
in
the
last
four
years
the
public
library
has
seen
remarkable
growth.
We
have
increased
our
hours
by
11
percent,
we've
seen
a
20%
increase
in
new
users.
B
We
send
a
hundred
percent
increase
in
program
attendance
and
roughly
a
hundred
and
sixty
percent
increase
in
downloadable
ebooks,
and
all
of
that
was
done
with
a
flat
budget
and
a
reduction
in
FTEs
I
think
that's
a
remarkable
accomplishment.
It
happened
not
by
will
or
not
by
one
or
two
people's
ideas.
The
key
element
in
that
was
investment
in
automation,
software
for
the
return
and
checking
out.
B
That
was
a
critical
kind
of
moment,
which
enabled
us
to
put
more
staff,
engage
with
the
public
to
help
them
answer
their
questions
and
also
to
automate
procedures
which
reduce
the
amount
of
touches
that
are
required
to
move
a
book
around,
because
that
truly
is
still
one
of
the
critical
elements
of
how
you
run
a
public
libraries.
You
got
to
move
those
materials
out
to
people's
houses
out
to
other
locations
and
then
back
to
the
Shelf
in
the
right
place,
so
somebody
can
find
them.
B
The
growth,
though,
that
we've
experienced,
is
really
just
the
beginning
of
something
right.
So
we
started
something
here
and
I
feel
I
feel
very
proud
of
that,
in
the
sense
of
which
the
community's
response,
through
the
course
of
our
master
plan
and
community
dialogue,
is
they
got
it
right.
So
little
things
like
building
61,
which
was
started
with
grant
funding
and
now
two
years
later,
almost
two
years
later
has
I,
think
nine
patent
applications
and
something
like
twelve
businesses
started
there
and
close
to
20,000
visitors.
People
recognize
it.
B
They
recognize
the
name
which
was
a
surprise
to
us,
because
when
we
went
out
to
do
the
survey
we
didn't
anticipate
that
people
were
already
going
to
be
recognizing
the
name
or
the
brand
building
61,
but
it
was
top
of
mind
for
many
of
the
citizens
we
spoke
to
in
focus
groups.
Everyone
wanted
to
get
in
and
have
a
piece
of
that.
B
That's
a
great
example
of
a
kind
of
innovation
that
we
did
mostly
grant
funded
with
support
from
the
city
in
terms
of
staffing
which
we
repurposed
from
other
areas,
that
is,
in
a
sense
a
new
way
of
experiencing
literacy
right,
so
libraries
went
from
book
literacy
in
a
in
an
era
of
scarcity
of
information.
You
know
it
was
difficult
to
find
information
when
libraries
began,
and
that
was
their
role.
B
This
is
an
exemplification
of
that
again.
It's
just
a
different
kind
of
form.
The
idea
behind
it
is
one
of
discovery
of
exploration
and
creation.
Obviously,
so
those
are
the
those
are
the
elements
really
of
the
library
as
we
have
it
today.
So,
let's
get
to
the
master
planning
process
and
I
want
to
describe
a
little
bit
about
what
the
process
has
been.
We
started
as
I
said
17
months
ago,
doing
a
lot
of
research
reading
a
lot
of
other
master
plans
from
the
city.
B
We
hosted
a
couple
of
thought
leader
discussions
after
the
interviews
and
then
put
out
a
survey
which
we
were
surprised
we
had,
they
had
like
2600
responses
to
it.
Not
all
of
them
were
complete.
Some
of
them
are
survey
or
thought
the
people
completed
it
too
quickly.
Just
to
get
the
prize,
and
so
it's
like
it's
a
$50
gift
card,
and
so
they
were
excluded
and
we
wound
up
with
seventeen
hundred
and
fifty-two
completed
surveys,
and
many
of
those
people
wrote
individual
responses
about
the
library
as
well.
B
So
there
was
a
lot
of
information
to
decipher.
After
that
point,
we've
done
a
number
of
check-ins
with
the
community
completed
six
or
eight
focus
groups
at
various
points
in
the
city
and
I.
Don't
know
how
many
sessions
where
we
brought
the
community
back
together
to
gauge
whether
those
ideas
were
warranted.
B
So
as
we
went
through,
we
refined
it
down
and
you
know
so
what
did
the
community
tell
us
right?
So
what
did
we
learn
from
this
process?
You
know
no
surprise.
They
believe
the
library
is
a
great
place
for
kids.
Truly,
that
is
one
of
our
bread-and-butter,
as
you
saw
in
the
memo.
Probably
40%
of
our
business
is
families
with
children.
They
check
out
more
books,
they
come
to
more
programs,
they
hang
out
in
the
library
more
than
any
group
and
that's
really
truly
a
big
part
of
our
business.
B
The
other
part
is
they
want
more
books
again,
no
surprise
right
so
give
us
more
books,
more
materials,
more
things,
because
that's
primarily
what
a
library
has
done.
We
share
materials,
but
some
of
the
surprising
things
that
we
learn
from
the
community
and-
and
we
we
struggled
with
even
putting
this
in
the
survey-
but
so
we
were
hearing
back
from
the
community-
was
that
we
were
a
trusted
institution,
and
so
when
we
put
that
out
in
the
survey
in
terms
of
asking
the
community
to
rank
in
values,
what
are
the
most
important
things
about?
B
The
Public
Library
a
trusted
institution
was
the
third
highest
ranked
thing
among
a
ton
of
things
within
that
survey.
So
we
were
a
trusted
institution
and
then
fifth
on
the
list
was
we
were
an
inclusive
environment.
So
those
are
things
that
we
we
fully
needed
to
unpack,
but
in
some
ways
it
resonated
with
us,
because
those
are
the
basic
principles
again
of
Public
Library.
We
are
a
free
and
open
place
with
open
access
to
everyone,
so
we
are
an
inclusive
environment
and
the
community
sees
us
in
that
way.
B
Libraries
have
always
stood
up
for
the
First
Amendment,
even
under
sometimes
under
duress
have
sit
up
for
the
rights
of
individuals
to
know
and
learn
what
they
want,
and
they
came
back
to
us
and
said
you
are
a
trusted
institution.
So
you
know
the
community
was
speaking
back
to
us.
Basically,
our
150
year
history
and
those
two
remarks
and
I
think
we
were
very
proud
of
it.
B
What
were
some
of
the
key
ideas
that
came
out
of
the
master
plan?
There
are
a
host
of
them
and
I
want
to
I
want
to
focus
really
on
the
ones
that
probably
cost
money,
because
that's
what
ultimately,
you
will
be
deciding
in
March,
so
new
buildings
right,
no
surprise.
Congratulations
to
all
of
you
who
won
in
November
of
two
M
also
won,
and
we
now
have
5
million
dollars
towards
building
a
new
library
in
North
Boulder,
which
is
huge
and
been
in
our
planning
for
about
30
years.
B
B
The
idea
was
that
we
should
look
at
increased
to
staffing,
to
uniform
to
provide
uniform
hours
throughout
the
library
system,
so
right
now,
no
bows
open
40
hours
a
week,
Reynolds
and
Meadows
around
58
or
60,
and
the
main
library
466.
The
goal
would
be
to
have
uniform
hours
across
the
place
continuing
to
pursue
creative
partners.
Partnerships
has
been
one
of
our
key
elements,
I
think
in
terms
of
our
success.
We
have
a
host
of
partners.
I've
mentioned
many
of
them
in
the
in
the
memo.
B
B
It
enabled
us
to
actually
mitigate
some
need
for
staffing
that
we
had,
and
so
we
were
able
to
repurpose
those
people
into
another
area
of
service
to
the
public
building
61
to
be
specific
specific,
but
some
of
the
other
partners,
like
sparkfun,
you
know,
stepped
up
big
in
the
beginning
of
some
of
our
steam
programs.
They
just
said
you
need
30
laptops
here.
B
Just
take
these
30
laptops
for
a
loaner
and
you
can
do
these
programs
for
kids,
so
the
creative
partnerships
is
one
that
we
want
to
pursue
and,
as
is
mentioned
here,
we
are
looking
to
explore
partnerships
with
for-profit
industry.
So
that
is
a
something
that
the
city
has
done,
certainly
in
the
past,
but
something
we
want
to
pursue
further
in
our
future
spaces.
B
The
development
of
work
share
space
is
building
61
and
you
know
libraries,
I
love
to
say
this.
Libraries
are
the.
You
know,
we're
the
original
co-working
space.
We
we
did
a
ad
in
the
CU
papers.
You
know
co-working
since
1907,
which
actually
was
is
true.
In
some
ways
people
have
used
the
libraries
as
a
subsidiary
for
their
office
or
their
office,
or
just
something
because
of
the
access
to
free
wireless
computing,
a
number
of
different
things,
space
things
that
you
need
to
get
a
business
running.
B
We
heard
a
lot
from
the
community
they'd
like
to
see
us
do
increased
marketing
and
promotions.
This
is
not
something
that
I
feel
like
we've
ever
been
very
good
about.
We
don't
put
much
money
into
it.
They,
the
community,
ask
you
know
when
they
hear
about
all
the
things
they
do.
They
were
like.
Oh
my
gosh
I
wanted
to
know
more
about
that.
Can
you
do
more
marketing
and
promotions?
B
That's
not
something
we're
equipped
to
do
now,
but
we
will
have
in
our
master
plan
and
we
anticipate
it
will
cost
us
money,
expanded
outreach
to
underserved
populations.
This
is
another
kind
of
critical
element,
I
think
we're
doing
very
well
here.
It's
been
in
our
plan
since
2007,
but
we're
not
hitting
on
all
cylinders,
and
so
much
of
it
is
dependent
upon
the
staff
that
we
have
at
present.
We
we
need
to
do
a
better
job
of
reaching
out
to
underserved
populations,
primarily
those
in
Boulder
that
we've
identified,
although
we
need
to
fully
unpack.
B
Are
we
do
off-site
programming
now
so
yeah?
It
would
probably
mean
off-site
and
creating
again
through
probably
some
strategic
partnerships
bringing
in
folks
that
can
help
us
either
build
a
bridge
or
break
down
barriers
to
bring
the
community
in
we.
Certainly
again,
we
are
the
most
visited
library
in
Colorado.
Lots
of
people
are
coming
in,
but
the
fact
is
is
that
we
have
heard
from
both
seniors
that
it's
not
always
accessible.
We've
heard
from
Latino
community
that
the
language
barrier
is
oftentimes
a
challenge
and
we
need
to
do
more
to
break
down
those
barriers.
B
B
One
of
the
last
things
that
I'll
mention
really
before
we
get
to
financial
sustainability
is
the
issue
of
safety,
so
the
community
did
there
were
some
members
of
the
community
who
raised
the
issue
of
safety
within
the
library
that
they
didn't
feel
safe.
The
Commission
and
staff
have
spent
quite
a
lot
of
time
trying
to
understand
what
it
is.
B
That
means
we
we
have
a
low
number
of
incidents
at
the
library,
I
mean
I,
think
a
surprisingly
low
number
of
incidents,
and
so
really
not
that
much
is
going
on
at
the
library
which
is
behavioral
or
requiring
people
to
be
asked
to
leave,
and
yet
still
some
members
of
our
community
feel
unsafe
and
primarily
they
point
to
the
presence
of
the
homeless
population
or
people
who
they
perceive
to
be
homeless.
B
Currently,
we
can
take
some
steps
to
evaluate
the
safety
concerns
that
may
overlap
is
that,
to
the
extent,
there's
an
overlap
there
and
address
some
of
those
needs,
and
to
that
end
we
will
be
hosting
some
conversations
in
the
course
of
2018
around
those
issues,
both
with
people
who
perceive
that
the
homeless
population
is
making
the
library
unsafe
and
also
bringing
in
some
individuals
within
the
homeless
community,
to
have
a
conversation.
So
we
can
better
understand
where
each
of
those
were
coming
from
so
to
wrap
that
all
up
right.
B
So
the
libraries
really
are
about
four
things:
it's
about
people
and
that's
the
people,
the
both
that
work
there
and
the
people
that
come
there.
We
are
about
place
and
place
if
you'd
ask
me
10
years
ago
about
the
importance
of
place
with
libraries.
I'd
have
been
downplaying
it
a
long
ways
but
I
my
my
idea,
that
is
shifted
dramatically,
I
think
in
the
last
five
or
six
years,
and
certainly
since
I've
been
in
Boulder
and
seeing
the
volume
of
people
who
actually
come
to
the
Public
Library.
B
The
importance
of
place
and
making
inviting
spaces
for
everyone
is
a
critical
kind
of
component
of
public
libraries
going
forward
and
we
are
a
platform
in
the
sense
of
which
we
are
so
user.
Centered
creating
spaces
really
for
the
community
to
design
both
their
own
future
and
a
social
future
with
their
community
is
an
important
thing
and
then
the
partners
partners
are
obviously
instrumental
into
getting
us
where
we've
gotten
to
I
think
and
they
will
be
even
more
instrumental,
probably
in
the
future,
so
that
wraps
up.
B
E
B
D
E
It's
sometimes
just
if
people
are
already
in
a
space
where
they
feel
safe
and
welcomed.
That
could
be
a
great
opportunity
to
you
know,
help
transition
into
working
arrangements
or
whatnot
yeah
and
then
on
the
engaging
you
know
seniors
and
the
Latina
population
have.
Does
the
library
have
any
kind
of
mobile
library
service
where
you
would
go
to
them?
We.
B
Do
homebound
delivery
so
we
have
a
volunteer
program
that
delivers
books
to
people's
homes
and
we're
always
looking
at
ways
to
improve
that
the
outreach
program
does
go
into
several
residential
facilities
and
deliver
books,
and
we
established
libraries
for
a
brief
period
of
time
in
several
of
the
residential
facilities
as
well.
Those
were
not
as
successful
as
we
had
hoped
and
we've
since
taken
them
down
just
last
year,
but
we
still
provide
a
lot
of
services.
B
Much
of
what
we
hear
from
the
the
elderly
community
is
they
want
opportunities
if
they're
in
a
residential
facility
they
want
opportunities
outside
of
that,
so
they
are
heavily
heavy
users
of
our
programs.
Our
musical
programs,
our
lunchtime
concerts,
probably
80%
of
the
audience,
is,
would
be
counted
among
the
senior
population.
There's
more.
We
can
do
there's,
certainly
more.
We
can
do
to
design
programs
with
them
in
mind.
Although
I
would
say
they
are
heavy
users
currently
of
the
library
as
it
stands.
B
You
know
some
of
the
things
that
have
provided
barriers
for
them
are
also
there's
a
benefit
to
it
as
well.
So
the
parking
solution
that
we
came
up
with
last
year,
charging
for
parking
and
making
the
three
hour
time
limit
an
hour
and
a
half
of
free
we've
heard
from
some
seniors.
You
know
individuals,
it's
not
by
no
means
a
landslide,
but
that
that's
an
impediment
use.
B
B
B
Oh
yeah,
we
do
have
a
book
bike
right.
Yes,
so
we
take
the
book
bike
out
primarily
to
schools.
It's
a
bike.
It
has
the
electronic
the
the
motorized
control.
If,
if
you
need
to
get
up
to
North
Boulder
but
yeah
I
can
haul
500
pounds,
we
go
to
the
rec
centers.
We
go
to
schools,
yeah,
I,
I
think
this
might
be
the
first
year
we're
not
in
the
parade.
Since
we've
had
it
well
cool.
B
E
That
may
answer
the
last
one
was
just
around
schools.
You
know
my
son
went
to
Columbine,
so
many
of
our
latina
families
are
both.
Parents
work,
multiple
jobs
and
the
kids
are
home
alone
or
their
after
school
programs,
and
maybe
we
could
capture
their
imagination
and-
and
you
know,
attention
through
going
to
them
so.
B
We
do
have
a
partnership
and
Boulder
housing
partners
and
that's
a
contractual
relationship
for
the
North
Boulder
library
and
through
that
relationship
we
have
had
the
ability
to
share
information
with
their
list
and
then
we
are
also
doing
programming
in
all
of
the
I
think
almost
all
of
the
Boulder
housing
locations,
which
is
great,
wanted
attended
several
of
the
focus
groups
and
things
that
we
did
there
as
well.
It's
been
it's
that's
been
a
great
relationship
for
us
and
certainly
one
that
begins
to
break
down
barriers.
B
We
brought
in
the
Latino
Chamber
last
year,
which
again
is
on
the
business
side
of
things,
has
been
beneficial
and
they've
used
the
library
for
a
number
of
different
things:
intercom
Bo.
We
do
Spanish
language
courses,
we
use
Spanish
conversation
conversations
in
English,
which
is
primarily
what
Spanish
so
there's
a
there's,
a
large
influx
of
people.
B
We
can
talk
more
about
it
I,
because
I
I
think
the
one
of
the
main
things
is
precisely
we
were
talking
about
is
about
children
and
the
gap,
the
educate,
the
education
gap
within
which
you've
probably
seen
the
trends
report
between
Anglo
children
and
Latino
children
in
Boulder
County,
but
some
of
the
financial
sustainability.
We
are
we're
asking
you
tonight
really
for
input
for
all
kinds
of
questions
around
this
model.
It's
by
no
means
would
be
an
easy
decision.
B
The
Library
Commission,
even
though
he's
spoken
about
it
for
over
a
year,
we've
not
arrived
at
a
point
where
we
would
decide
to
recommend
one
of
these
solutions
to
you
we're
looking
for
your
direction
on
what
direction
we
should
take
in
terms
of
being
financially
sustainable.
So
the
options
are
laid
out
in
detail.
We're
happy
to
answer
questions.
They
are
simple.
Simply
put
simply,
you
know
we
stay
with
the
city,
but
that
is
a
roughly
adoption
of
the
plan
within
the
next
two.
B
Next
five
to
ten
years
means
approximately
a
two
to
three
million
dollar
annual
operating
investment.
To
achieve
all
these
goals.
So,
that's
you
know
not
quite
a
20
25
28,
30
percent
increase
somewhere
in
there.
Between
for
what
our
current
operating
budget
is
the
other
option.
Another
option
that's
available
to
us
is
to
create
a
Regional
Library.
B
Authority
put
simply
that
has
never
been
done
in
the
state
of
Colorado,
but
if
you
think
about
a
Regional,
Transportation
Authority
or
there
are
a
number
of
regional
authorities
which
join
either
several
cities
together
to
contractually
obligated
to
put
in
resources
to
run
a
library
system
or
a
city
and
another
district
that
can
be
any
kind
of
district,
it
could
be
a
school
district
can
be
a
general
Improvement
District.
It
could
be
a
county,
anything,
that's
a
governmental
entity
and
then
the
third
is
to
become
an
independent
library
district.
B
So
a
library
district
is
a
subset
of
the
state
it
requires.
The
vote
of
the
public
requires
a
lot
of
hearing
and
it
requires
that
people's
property
taxes
are
used
to
pay
for
a
library
system.
The
manner
in
which
we've
described
that
here
comes
back
again
to
how
popular
both
our
public
library
is
and
the
fact
that
we
are
a
regional
hub.
So
we
have
fully
a
hundred
and
thirty
two
thousand
plus
users,
the
appendix
that
we
show
here
shows
96
thousand
of
those
users
are
Boulder,
but
that's
actually
Boulder
address.
B
That's
not
necessarily
the
city
of
Boulder.
So
that's
a
that's
a
number
that
we
would
have
to
unpack
as
well,
because
it
includes
areas
of
gunvarrel,
Cherryvale,
ponderosa,
pine
or
whatever.
It's
called
there's
a
number
of
areas
yeah
that
pay
low
park
that
are
that
are
Boulder
addresses,
but
not
city
of
Boulder.
So
they
are
not
paying
the
point.
Zero
three
mill
levy
on
their
property
tax,
to
support
the
library.
F
B
B
So
yeah,
some
of
those
92,000
are
actually
not
city
of
Boulder,
its
Boulder
by
their
address.
So
if
you
live
in
Gunbarrel,
your
address
is
Boulder
whether
you
were
within
the
city
or
outside
of
the
city.
So
if
it
says
Boulder
and
that's
the
same
as
with
cherryvale
those
that
area
is
also
listed
as
a
boulder
address.
A
B
B
Well,
so
by
contract,
some
of
our
some
of
our
downloadable
programs,
streaming
programs
are
limited
to
Boulder
residents.
So
that's
not
true
of
everything.
Some
of
the
databases
when
you
pay
for
so
interesting
right.
So
when
you
pay
for
a
database,
you
are
contractually
obligated
to
limit
those
resources
to
whatever
defined
area
you're
paying
for
so
in
the
case
of
most
of
the
downloadables,
we
are
limiting
that
to
Boulder
residents
only
for
some
of
them
for
overdrive.
B
Is
a
downloadable
service
that
you
can
download
books
and
materials?
So
it's
you
know
we
have
I,
can't
even
tell
you
I,
didn't
anticipate
this
question.
We
probably
have
70
or
so
databases
and
or
downloadable
services.
So
you
can
go
on
and
download
movies
books
all
kinds
of
audiobooks.
You
can
find
information.
B
There
are
data
information
databases
like
reference
USA,
which
is
an
expensive
product,
but
it's
also
a
cost
per
use
basis
is
our
most
highly
used
product.
It's
a
it's
something
that
you
can
do
market
research
for.
So
if
you
were
gonna
open
up
a
dentist
office,
you
could
figure
out.
Where
would
be
the
best
place
to
do
so
and
who
might
be
your
mailing
list?
So
it's
a
remarkable
resource
heavily
used.
G
You
noted
that
nobody
in
the
state
of
Colorado
has
enlisted
that
or
using
that
are
there
other
states
or
other
places
that
have
Regional
Library
authorities
and
how
do
they
work
I
mean
I.
Think
you
did
a
really
great
job
at
breaking
out.
You
know
how
these
districts
are
funded
or
authorities
are
funded,
but
why
haven't
they
tried
it
out
in
Colorado?
Is
it
that
they're
already
so
many
districts
that
the
authority
is
a
preferred
method?
I
mean
the
district
is
a
preferred
method.
I.
B
Mean
I,
you
know
it's
just
on
summary
glance
right.
So
it's
a
it
is
a.
It
certainly
was
written
with
the
intent
of
either
a
city
and
a
county
going
in
together
on
providing
library
service
to
an
area
or
two
cities.
So
that's
that
was
a
feasibility
thing
wrote
into
the
law
a
long
time
ago.
I
think
was
the
same
idea
around
regional
transportation
authorities
where
cities
need
to
join
together
to
provide
service.
So.
G
Could
there
be
like
an
authority
that
would
be
and
I'm
making
this
up?
So
it's
not
real.
So
you
have
bold
city
of
Boulder
city
of
Lafayette,
Longmont,
Boulder
County,
all
coming
together
to
form
a
an
authority
that
would
be
pretty
much
restricted
to
the
county,
but
people
are
sharing
their
resources.
B
G
B
You're
right,
you're,
absolutely
right
so
with
the
library
district,
it
becomes
an
independent
governing
entity
even
as
a
subdivision
of
the
state,
and
you
would
appoint
the
Board
of
Commissioners,
but
that
would
be
a
governing
board
right.
So
you
are
relinquishing
your
relinquishing
governance
right.
You
are
also
not
obligated
for
finance
and
what.
B
So
the
regional
library
authority
would
be
a
contractual
relationship
where
you
would
contribute.
You
would
guarantee
a
contribution
of
funds
to
support
a
library
system,
and
that
would
have
to
be
something
you
would
negotiate
contractually
with
one
or
more
entities
mm-hmm.
So
in
your
example
Lafayette
in
the
county
in
Louisville,
do
they
need
to
participate,
so
you
would
still
have
some
level
of
authority,
but
it
is
also
a
governing
board.
What
you
have
basically
committed
is
you
have
committed
an
ongoing
commitment
of
whether
sales
tax
or
property
tax
to
that
authority.
B
G
A
B
B
C
It's
fair
to
say
that
there'd
be
a
lot
of
details
to
be
worked
out
and
there
aren't
definitive
answers,
probably
to
how
you
would
handle
exactly
transfers
of
assets
or
say
who
maintain
facilities
or
you
know
say
I.
Imagine
one
option
would
be
that
the
city
could
still
run
the
personnel
Human
Resources
Department
for
a
library
district,
for
example,
but
there'd
be
a
lot
of
possibilities
that
would
have
to
be
worked
out.
A
lot
of
options
that
affair.
That's.
B
Well,
the
formation
of
a
district
and/or,
a
significant
increase
in
the
commitment
from
the
CM,
so
obviously
Gunbarrel
was
a
community.
We
heard
from
heavily
in
the
course
of
our
community
engagement.
We've
been
hearing
from
them
before
we
started
the
master
plan
and
we
just
kept
on
the
way
to
the
master
plan,
so
they
did
and
they
are
desirous
of
library
services.
You
know.
Ultimately,
what's
in
our
master
plan,
we
anticipate
recommending
points
east.
So
that's
a
vague
term.
B
B
If
the
comp
plan
is
correct
in
its
predictions
and
the
density
actually
occurs
there,
the
other
options
are
a
lot
of
grocers
in
southeast
Boulder,
and
so
we
right
now
our
Meadows
library,
is
in
us
in
a
shopping
mall
on
the
back
side
of
shopping
mall,
and
certainly
that
is
one
of
the
highest
populations
of
any
one
of
our
branches
that
they
serve.
I.
Think
it's
somewhere
around
25,000
and
expected
to
grow.
It
also
has
a
high
level
of
diversity
of
the
population,
both
in
age
and
in
terms
of
ethnicity.
B
D
Just
from
a
commision
standpoint,
I
just
wanted
to
emphasize
that
our
concern
is
not
just
for
expansion,
its
current
operating,
because
there
is
a
deficiency
in
our
view
in
the
operating
budget
it
was
identified
in
the
2007
master
plan
has
not
been
addressed
since
then.
So
it's
both
trying
to
maintain
what
we
have
today
and
looking
forward
in
the
expansion
and
that's
something
that
the
Commission
has
been
really
strong
about.
Thanks.
C
C
I,
definitely
reinforced
that
that
you
know
to
really
break
down
exactly
who's
a
boulder
resident
and
who
isn't-
and
you
know
some
I-
think
some
amount
of
you
know
shading
or
a
heat
map
or
something
of
the
areas
around
the
city
and
where
people
do
live,
who
have
cards.
It
would
be
really
really
excuse
me
really
really
helpful
and
I
know
that
Fort
Collins
formed
a
district
to
ten
odd
years
ago.
So
as
we,
if
we
proceed
with
analyzing
this,
that
is
a
case
study
would
probably
be
very
informative
about
what
worked.
F
So
David,
when
you
look
at
that
back
at
that
table
on
page
21,
it
was
you
look
at
all.
You
look
at
Longmont
Lafayette
in
Louisville
and
together
they
comprise
about
8%
of
the
the
users
of
the
Boulder
library
and
I'm
wondering
what
extent
we
already
collaborate
among
the
libraries
within
the
municipalities
in
the
county
and
to
what
extent
each
other's
efforts
are
leveraged
and
where
I'm
going
with.
That
is,
how
might
that
be
affected
by
a
district
versus
an
authority
that
the
collaboration
that
might
already
be
occurring?
Yeah.
B
B
We
formed
a
legal
entity
two
years
ago
and
opened
it
up
to
new
partners
and
doubled
in
size
so
that
that's
been
critical.
It's
running
of
the
library
system,
which
is
basically
the
database
that
holds
all
of
the
records
for
all
of
the
books.
That
is
a
uniform
system
and,
frankly,
as
a
user,
if
you
walk
into
any
of
those
places,
it
recognizes
you
no
matter
what
the
rules
are.
B
It
recognizes
you
as
a
member
of
this
larger
consortium,
so
that
is
a
way
that
we've
done
to
both
we're
now
the
second
largest
consortium
of
libraries
in
the
state
that
has
given
us
our
customers
a
great
benefit
in
the
sense
which
we've
doubled
the
amount
of
resources
they
have
access
to
over
night.
The
next
day
you
can
get
a
book,
it's
also
increased
our
leverage
as
a
negotiator.
So
we
we
find
that
vendors
are
much
more
likely
to
listen
to
us
now
as
a
large
consortium.
B
When
we
want
to
negotiate
for
price,
so
those
things
would
not
go
away.
No
matter
what
our
governance
was,
you
know
Longmont.
If
you
look
at
one
of
the
other
tables,
you'll
see
that
it
is
one
of
the
more
poorly
funded
libraries
in
the
state.
I,
don't
know
they're
it's
a
great
Library,
System
they're,
doing
great
work.
B
I,
don't
know
if
the
lack
of
resources
for
that
library
has
meant
that
some
people
who
maybe
live
in
Longmont
and
work
in
Boulder
would
rather
use
our
library
or,
if
they're,
just
totally
secular
about
and
they
use
both
I.
Don't
really
know
we.
What
this
list
does
not
show
you
is
that
we
honor
any
cards
that
come
from
an
FLC
library.
So
if
you
were
from
Longmont
Loveland,
Louisville,
Lafayette
or
Broomfield,
you
don't
have
to
get
a
boulder
library
card.
You
can
just
come
into
our
library
and
use
it.
B
So
these
people
who
have
chosen
that
live
in
these
areas
and
have
chosen
to
get
a
boulder
library
card
are
represented
here.
Does
that
make
sense
so
those
we
honor
anybody
in
the
consortium,
because
the
system
does
it
would
we
have
to
build
barriers
to
keep
them
out
and
that
the
system
recognizes
them
all?
Is
a
member
of
the
same
consortium
and
that
same
just
a
great
deal
of
money
and
again
increased
our
leverage.
F
B
B
Each
municipality
has
a
role
in
deciding
what
the
policies
are
for
their
libraries,
so
I
don't
know
that
it
would
change.
They
wouldn't
change
the
relationship
that
we
have
currently
I
at
a
political
level.
I,
don't
know
what
support
there
would
be
for
any
one
of
these
ideas
among
multiple
municipalities.
In
the
past
there
has
been
none
and
I
have
been
told
by
library
the
libraries
that
there
is
still
none
and
joining
us
in
a
an
actual
authority
and
or
district.
H
It
seemed
to
me,
like
a
key
question,
and
the
packet
here
was
should
be
PL
users,
we're
property
outside
the
city
limits
be
asked
to
contribute
to
library
funding
on
a
more
equitable
basis.
Could
you
talk
about
what
some
of
the
options
for
that
would
be
I
mean?
Is
there
way
to
charge
by
zip
code
or
I
mean?
Is
there
way
to
actually
have
a
charge
for
the
library
people
who
come
from
outside
that
the
city?
What
are
some
thoughts
there?
We.
B
Would
not
charge
for
use
the
charge
would
be
associated
in
all
likelihood,
with
property
tax
outside
of
the
city
city
of
Boulder
residents
currently
pay
a
point:
zero
three
percent
prop
milray
property
tax
to
the
library
that
amounts
to
about
I.
Think
in
2018.
It's
one
point:
two:
six
million
dollars
everyone
outside
of
those
City
Limits
may
shop.
Here
they
may
do
all
kinds
of
things,
so
it
contributes
to
sales,
tax
and
general
fund,
which
is
the
other
eighty
percent
of
our
budget.
B
The
idea
would
be:
is
it
possible
to
capture
property
tax
from
them,
so
that
would
be
informing
a
district.
So,
by
forming
a
district
you
would
eliminate
sales
tax
because
of
district
cannot
rely
on
sales
tax.
It
would
all
be
based
on
property
tax
within
a
map
drawn
by,
essentially
you
so
that
map,
the
only
one
that
we've
looked
at
that
makes
sense,
is
the
comp
plan
map.
G
B
Two
hundred
ollars
a
year,
so
it's
the
mill
rates
around
the
library
would
probably
be
I
mean
so
for
the
average
valued
home
in
Boulder,
six
hundred
and
seventy
eight
thousand
dollars
the
assessed
value
depending
is
somewhere
between
150
and
200
and
some
dollars
so
they're.
Basically,
the
price
of
your
smartphone
for
two
months
would
pay
for
a
library
district.
Well.
A
A
Per
household
I'm
an
equivalent
or
think.
B
The
regional
authority
would
also
there's
a
there:
is
the
option
and
a
regional
authority
to
just
identify
areas
outside
of
the
city
of
Boulder
and
then
negotiate
either
with
the
county
or
some
other
district
that
then
they
would
guarantee
some
subsidy
of
property
tax
that
they
collect,
and
the
city
of
Boulder
would
continue
to
contribute
the
sales
tax
that
they
contribute
and
the
city
of
Boulder
residents
that
point
zero.
Three
mill
rate.
So
then
that
combined
would
have
a
regional
there.
So.
H
Philosophically,
is
it
just
an
epimer
for
libraries
to
want
to
charge
for
you,
even
if
it's
people
outside
of
the
library
tax,
taxing
area,
because
it
seems
to
me
like
the
real
challenge
here,
you
know
the
two
alternate
governance
structures
are
going
to
be
complicated
and
difficult,
but
it
certainly
seems
like
charging
for
use
for
people
who
are
not
otherwise
paying
for
the
library
services
should
be
something
that
we
at
least
talk
about.
I,
don't
know
we've
on
the
land
there,
but
it's
another
model
anyway.
So
what
are
your
thoughts
on
that.
B
I'm
unaware
of
any
library
in
the
United
States,
that
does
it,
but
if
that's
something
we
want
to
look
at
then
I
think
we
should.
I
I,
don't
know
how
it
would
work.
I
mean
your
yeah,
so
I,
don't
know
how
it
work.
I
think
it
would
you'd
be
talking
about.
Probably
what
is
the
number
chain?
70
percent
of
the
city's
staff
would
be
paying
for
library
services
if
they.
I
A
B
A
B
That
would
major
we'd
have
to
we'd
have
to
obviously
do
that
research,
but
it's
what
it's
52,000-
households
within
the
Boulder
valley,
complan
district,
52,
seven
what's
in
the
city
of
Boulder,
is
about
46,000.
That
would
that
would
certainly
get
us
there.
That's
that
is
that
difference
really
in
terms
of
the
funding
levels.
That
would
put
us
at
the
average
level,
and
it
would
actually
probably
whoever
asked
for
the
heatmap.
J
One
thing
I
want
to
say
is
that
the
Boulder
Valley,
the
area
outside
the
city
of
Boulder
is
unincorporated
and
it
has
been
designed
to
not
be
a
commercial
area
because
we
want
the
commercial
inside
the
city
of
Boulder.
That's
the
comp
plan
philosophy,
a
lot
of
the
property
taxes
that
we
receive,
a
significant
portion
comes
from
commercial
and
so
adding
another
10,000
homes
outside
of
the
city.
Limits
that
are
in
the
Boulder.
F
J
A
Just
a
couple
of
questions
that
because
because
this
makes
a
question
about
gun
barrel,
it's
like
totally
sympathetic,
they
need
a
library
but
their
house
in
the
county.
And
if
you
don't
want
to
annex,
then
you
don't
get
the
benefits
of
a
city
which
is
libraries.
So
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
tension
there
in
between
the
desire
to
stay
out
of
the
city,
but
to
want
some
of
the
city
services
right.
I'll
just
put
up.
A
B
So
they're,
so
this
is
the
rub
right.
So
a
percentage
of
these
are
people
who
have
fines,
who
may
not
have
used
their
card
and
they're
still
in
the
system.
So
that's
probably
about
18%.
We
think
that
probably
is
mitigated
by
the
fact
that
we
also
use.
We
also
open
the
library
system
to
anyone
who
wants
to
come
in.
So
many
people
who
are
using
the
library
are
not
represented
in
this
list
either,
because
if
you
would
live
in
Broomfield
and
have
a
Broomfield
card,
you
can
use
our
library
without
getting
a
card.
B
A
B
Clean
the
database
every
two
years
for
people
who
have
not
used
their
card
in
three.
So,
okay,
that
but
I
don't
disagree
with
you
saying
I
think
we
need
to
scrub
the
numbers.
Further.
We've
been
scrubbing
these
numbers
for
a
year
because
I
just
seems
improbable.
There's,
not
another
library
like
this
of
ours
of
a
city,
our
size,
there's
no
wood.
A
B
A
Last
question:
for
me:
if
I'm
remembering
correctly,
when
we
are
looking
at
impact
fees,
development
impact
fees,
there's
a
certain
amount
of
money
that
comes
in
from
that
for
expansion,
purposes
and
I-
think
maybe
you
mentioned
it,
but
I'm
just
trying
to
when
we
tease
apart
the
money
we
need
to
maintain
a
robust
system
and
the
money
we
need
to
expand.
How
do
the
development
impact
fees?
What
percentage
of
that
is
helped
by
those.
B
Impact
fees
we
are,
you
know
that
that
will
certainly
assist
us
in
expansion.
We
could.
We
could
easily
I,
don't
want
to
say
this
too
much,
but
we
could
easily
open
a
storefront
location
in
Gunbarrel
within
six
months.
The
issue
is
the
cost
of
operation,
which
we
cannot
use
development
in
next
taxes
for
and
the
cost
for,
opening
up
a
location.
Ultimately,
the
cost
for
operation
outstrip
that
initial
investment.
You
know
relatively
rapidly.
B
You
know
we
don't
have
a
solid
estimate
again
because
it
comes
down
to
cost
of
utilities,
but
if
we
were
to
get
a
free
rent,
probably
the
cost
of
staffing
is
around
$300,000
a
year,
the
cost
of
a
storefront
first
to
our
front,
roughly
250
to
300
thousand
dollars
a
year,
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
materials
and
then
factored
in
cleaning
and
electricity
and
those
kind
of
costs.
Fama's.
Given
us
a
number
for
new
construction
of
eighteen
dollars,
a
square
foot,
that's
that's
way
in
excess
of
what
we're
currently
paying
for
our
facilities.
B
Now,
that's
the
number
that
we
provided
you
in
conjunction
with
the
to
M
ballot,
was
an
$18
square.
Foot
maintenance
cost
Magnusson
utility
cost
weight,
maintenance
and
and
utility
cost.
So
that's
that
roughly
is
a
little
more
than
a
little
more
than
a
third
of
the
cost
of
opening
up
a
operation.
Okay,.
G
It
it
seems
to
me
that
you
know
going
a
district
route,
isn't
gonna
work
for
us
just
because
well
for
a
couple
reasons:
I
think
increasing
our
property
taxes
right
now
is
not
something.
Anybody
in
our
community
would
really
appreciate,
given
that
our
taxes
have
gone
up
substantially
in
the
last
year
or
two
and
people
are
still
reeling
over
over
that.
So
it
seems-
and
nobody
wants
to
like
do
anything
beyond,
doesn't
sound
like
it.
You
know
an
authority
or
a
real
district.
So
then
the
question
comes.
G
G
Think
originally
Jane
did
we
have
like
20
hours
of
staff
planned
and-
and
that
was
a
real
stretch
that
first
year
and
then
trying
to
get
you
know
it
more
fully
staffed,
so
I
guess
I'm
interested
in
looking
at
what
tax
would
be
a
library
tax
and
in
your
survey
you
asked
people
what
they,
if
they
would
be
open
to
some
kind
of
a
library,
tax
and
I.
Think
it's
written
somewhere
in
there.
That
72%
were
at
least
open
to
having
that
discussion.
So
I
guess
I
would
like
to
know
what.
What
would
that
be?
G
How
much
would
that
be
and
for
how
many
years,
because
it
seems
like
needs
to
be
kept
I,
think
we
have
a
real
problem
with
a
part
of
the
community
that
says
they
are
bolder,
but
they're,
not
the
city
of
Boulder
residents
and
I.
Don't
know
how
we
get
them
to
the
only
way
I
can
figure
that
we
get
them
to
step
up
to
the
plate.
Is
a
annexing
and
I
know.
That's
not
so
something
people
are.
B
J
What
kind
of
tax
you
would
want,
so
the
two
that
we
usually
do:
a
property
tax,
which
we
do
rarely
and
increase
the
sales
and
use
tax
which
we
do
not
frequently,
but
we
have
done
what
I
think
you're
talking
about
is
a
dedicated
stream
exactly
and
probably
sales
and
use
tax.
The
thing
to
keep
that's
a
perfectly
good
way.
G
J
The
thing
to
keep
in
mind
is
that
we
are
not
the
highest
sales
and
use
tax.
It
e
in
the
area,
but
we
are
near
the
top,
and
we've
been
talking
at
Council
about
reserving
some
of
that
capacity.
For
possibly
other
matters
like
affordable
housing
is
a
topic
that
we've
talked
about
or
additional
human
services
dollars
or
broadband.
J
So
we've
got
many
uses
for
additional
tax
dollars
and
we'd
want
to
be
careful
as
we
thought
about
it
to
be
strategic
about
how
extra
dollars
would
be
used
and
whether
or
not
we're
coming
up
to
our
carrying
capacity
so
to
speak,
for
sales
and
use
taxes.
So
just
keep
that
in
mind
as
we
talk
about
right.
G
Yeah
I
guess
at
some
point
in
time
and
I
would
hope
before
the
budget
and
maybe
part
of
this
whole
discussion
that
we
look
at
all
of
our
taxes.
We
do
that
almost
every
year
and
we
look
at
what's
been
a
sunset,
and
maybe
we
could
have
a
conversation
that
it
might
be
prudent
to
let
some
of
these
taxes
sunset
III,
don't
have
one
in
mind
right
now,
but
yeah.
J
G
Mean
I
guess
I
will
just
take
it
back
to
you,
given
that
you
know
we
want
to
be
careful
with
our
carrying
capacity
of
our
tax.
How
much
we're
going
to
ask
our
property
taxes.
We
have
to
be
careful
with.
We
have
a
large
population
that
isn't
residents
of
the
city
that
are
using
our
our
services
without
paying
for
those
you
know
what
what
are
the
options?
I
mean,
what
are
the
options?
It
seems
like
Authority,
district
tax,
annexation,
I,
don't
know.
B
D
I
just
wanted
to
remind
you
out
on
sales
tax.
If
you
are
not
in
the
city
of
Boulder,
you
don't
necessarily
pay
the
same
sales
tax,
because
large
and
kind
of
anything
that
is
delivered
to
your
home
things
like
automobiles,
those
kinds
of
things
you're
charged
based
on
where
you
live,
not
so
sales
tax
doesn't
necessarily
get
at
this
equity
issue
just
make
sure
you're
almost
in
them.
So.
A
C
Is
just
a
follow-up
question
on
that?
The
taxing
issue
suit
I'm
Jane,
that
some
of
our
property
taxes
that
we
assess
are
go
to
the
general
fund
correct.
So
would
it
be
conceivable
if,
if
we
went
the
district
drought
that
was
funded
by
property
taxes,
I
mean
to
Lisa's
point
about?
You
know
that
they're
high
and
have
gone
up
recently,
not
the
mill
rate,
but
the
total
amount?
J
Think
the
answer
to
that
is:
yes,
we
have
to
determine
what
that
looks
like
and
I
need.
Cheryl
patellae
and
Bob
I
come
to
help
me
with
that
one.
The
point
O
three
that
they
get
is
around.
You
said
a
million
or
a
million
to
a
year
and
I
think
that
the
library
in
total
is
funded
with
around
seven
million
a
year.
J
C
B
Said
so
I
think
also,
we
did
run
all
the
numbers
for
that
kind
of
trade-off
in
within
the
city
of
Boulder,
but
we
haven't
done
it
in
a
in
imaginary
district,
because
we
don't
know
what
map
you
guys
would
have
in
mind.
But
it's
a
it's
approximately
a
five
and
a
half
to
six
percent
reduction
in
sales
tax
and
a
three
percent
increase
in
property
tax.
So
that's
the
trade-off
between
those
values.
E
Being
a
new
person,
you
know,
Lisa
you
just
sort
of
started
after
the
last
commentary,
saying
I,
don't
think
regional
Regional
District
to
work
and
one
nor
the
other
option.
Do
you
find
that
to
be
true?
Do
you
see
the
same
kind
of
limitations
that
at
least
as
pointing
out
do
you
feel
like
one
of
these
two
is
more
feasible
and
I
know
you're
looking
for
guidance
from
us,
but
do
you
for
preference
between
the
two.
B
You
know
I
feel
like
we've.
Just
gotten
started
right,
so
I
I
feel
the
need
for
the
library
to
really
achieve
the
goals
that
we've
set
out
and
those
are
those
are
significant
goals.
It's
not
just
people
coming
through
the
door.
It's
about
it's
about
economic
and
social
sustainability
of
our
community.
I,
truly
believe
that
I
think
the
library
is
the
is
the
last
great
promise
of
a
Democratic
Society.
So
that's
so
I
think
we
need
to
figure
out
a
way
to
do
this
right.
Do
I
have
a
preference.
B
You
know
the
Regional
Library
Authority
is
the
least
clean
because
it
hasn't
been
done.
The
district
is
certainly
the
trend
within
the
state
of
Colorado
and
I.
Think
to
answer
an
earlier
question
that
yes
put
a
river
in
Fort
Collins
is
very
happy
and
you
tell
us
what
they
did.
They
went
from
a
municipal
library
to
a
district
library,
including
a
broader
area,
and
that
was
six
years
ago.
B
C
B
That
never
very
very
pleased
so
of
that.
With
that
result,
so
you
know:
I
I
want
to
get
to
the
point
where
we
can
actually
say
that
we're
financially
sustainable
and
we
can
plan
for
the
future
right.
So
that's
that's
really.
What
I'm?
Looking
for,
how
we
get
there
I
think
is
gonna
require
a
lot
of
you
know.
It's
gonna
require
some
political
capital
and
it's
gonna
require
getting
out
in
the
community.
I
mean
the
property
thing.
Tax
is
not
a
non-issue,
it
is.
B
E
Here
are
significantly
lower
than
residential,
it's
not
commercial,
and
you
know
it's
important
I
think
as
we
talk
about
this,
to
note
that,
of
course,
those
payments
it
scales
with
the
price
of
the
property.
So
just
saying
it's
a
$200
increase,
you
know
an
average.
That's
obviously
not,
for
you
know,
learn
properties
and
in
sales
taxes
can
have
an
undue
burden
on
lower
income
individuals
as
compared
to
property
taxes,
so
that
would
be
the
route
that
I'd
prefer
to
look
at,
but
all
right.
Thank
you.
Any.
K
Thank
you.
My
question
was
basically
the
same
as
Jill's
I
wondered.
You
said
that
you
didn't
have
an
option
amongst
the
Library
Commission,
but
obviously
you've
studied
this
much
more
than
we
and
and
so
basically
I
hear
what
you're
saying
and
would
like
some
follow-up,
as
Erin
asked
for
the
Fort
Collins
model,
how
that
works
and
how
and
what
the
negatives
may
be.
You
said
they're
pretty
happy
with
it
as
far
as
you
know,
but
as
far
as
I
know
well,.
A
A
B
Actually
thought
there
were
two
in
Colorado:
we
did
some
research
and
it
turns
out
there
were
not,
but
there
were
agreements
there
were
contractual
agreements
between
multiple
entities
that
that
didn't
work
out.
Let's
just
put
it
that
way,
they
were
not
actually
a
regional
authority,
but
they
had
formed
contractual
relationships
between
a
city
in
a
county
that
you
know
over
the
course
of
20
years
deteriorating.
B
A
A
There's
one
approach
that
we
should
explore.
I
wish
there
was
a
way
to
get
at
the
equity
issue.
I
also
think
we
need
to
explore
a
district
in
some
reform,
just
as
I
think
it's
worth
looking
at
both
of
those
and
comparing
the
two
there's
trade-offs
there,
don't
I
guess
those
are
my
initial
thoughts
is
we
need
to
look
at
make
our
best
case
for
both,
and
we
talked
about
parsing
that
data
better
doing
the
heat
map
really
getting
a
sense
of
that
in
the
equity,
trade-offs
and
I.
A
C
Me
just
say
that
I'm
extremely
impressed
with
what
you've
done
with
flat
resources
that
you've
had
to
support
the
library
system.
The
amount
that
you've
accomplished
is
really
really
impressive.
So
thank
you
for
all
the
hard
work
for
you
and
the
staff
and
library
commission
that
supported
you.
It
really
would
very
much
like
to
support
the
expansion,
ideas
and
plans
that
you
have
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
North
Boulder
library
branch,
which
is
my
part
of
the
city.
I,
also
think
that
Gunbarrel
really
desperately
needs
some
services
in
this
area.
C
So
you
know
if
we
could
do
storefront
libraries
sometime
soon
and
a
you
know,
a
branch
library
in
the
future
I
think
that
would
be
a
really
valuable
thing
for
that
community
and
I
think
it's
definitely
worth
exploring
the
idea
of
a
district
as
a
way
to
accomplish
that
it
would
be
a
really
big
move.
It
would
be
a
big
change
for
our
city,
changing
the
governance
model,
creating
new
entity,
it's
not
something
that
we
would
want
to
do
lightly,
but
it
seems
to
me
worth
the
exploration
and
it
would
require
a
real
outreach.
C
You
know
this
is
not
something
that
we
would
want
to
do
unilaterally.
It's
something
we
want
to
reach
out
to
the
residents
of
unincorporated
Boulder
County,
who
would
be
included
in
the
district
if
it
were
to
have,
but
we
might
find
that
if
we
said
to
them,
hey
you're,
going
to
have
real
library
services
near
where
you
live.
How
do
you
feel
about
joining
a
district
in
order
to
accomplish
that?
They
might
love
the
idea
or
they
might
not,
but
so
there's
a
lot
to
look
into
there's
a
lot
to
explore.
C
We
should
absolutely
not
predetermine
the
outcome.
Looking
at
other
funding
models
would
be
important
as
well,
but
I
would
agree
with
what
Jill
said.
I'm
I'm
wary
of
continuing
to
increase
our
sales
taxes.
It
is
a
regressive
tax
and
well
property.
Tax
can
hit
people
on
fixed
incomes
very
hard.
It
is
a
less
regressive
tax
than
a
sales
tax,
so
I
would
probably
focus
efforts
in
that
direction
and
I
am
interested
in
the
idea
of
if
we
added
more
to
a
property
tax,
either
on
its
own
or
as
part
of
the
formation
of
a
district.
C
Well,
I
guess
this
would
be
if
we
formed
a
district
and
so
added
a
larger
property
tax
dedicated
to
the
district
looking
at
at
the
same
time
reducing
existing
property
taxes
within
the
city
of
Boulder,
so
that
it
would
not
just
be
an
increase
for
everyone
in
the
city.
I
think
that
would
be
one
of
the
things
worth
looking
at
so.
F
The
idea
of
property
taxes
raising
property
taxes
is
seems
like
a
sort
of
politically
infeasible
direction.
One
of
the
things
just
haven't
gotten
off
the
campaign
trail.
That
was
something
that
actually
took
the
time
to
learn
about
how
property
taxes
work
in
the
state
of
Colorado,
because
that
was
something
that
came
up
all
the
time.
My
property
taxes
are
going
up.
What
can
you
do
to
lower
them
and
there's
not
a
whole
lot
that
that
the
city
can
do
to
lower
property
taxes
or
for
that
matter
the
way
that
the
property
taxes
work?
F
There's
not
a
whole
lot
that
we
can
do
period,
so
that
seems
infeasible,
and
that
would
sounds
like
the
way
that
that
readdress
district
would
be
funded
and
then
with
Russo,
so
I
I,
don't
I,
don't
have
an
answer,
but
I
guess
to
continue
to
explore
the
different
options,
including
like
Lisa,
said
annexation
and
because
the
the
truth
of
the
matter
is
part
of
what
you
hear
when
you
go
out
to
gun
barrel
as
well.
Is
they
not
only
want
libraries,
they
want
parks,
they
want
rec
centers,
they
want
streets.
So
it's
you
know
it's!
F
That's
that's
a
question,
and
so
we
need
to
look
at
all
the
options,
I
think
and
I
guess
the
other.
The
other
thing
is,
it
sounds
like
we've
created
such
a
wonderful
place
in
our
library,
I
love
the
library.
It
makes
me
happy
every
time,
I
walk
in
there,
it's
just
a
beautiful
place
and
we've
created
such
a
wonderful
place
that
it's
something
that
people
from
all
around
want
to
come
to
and
where
I
was
going
with.
F
My
questioning
about
how
we
collaborate
with
other
municipal
libraries
is:
how
can
we
work
together
to
promote
or
encourage
the
development
of
that
kind
of
a
destination
feeling
in
other
communities,
so
that
the
the
impact
of
a
wonderful
place
is
shared
among
the
existing
libraries?
So
you
know
it's
kind
of
like
how
we're
working
with
housing
or
attempting
to
work
with
housing,
regionally
I
think
we
have
to
attempt
to
work
on
libraries,
regionally
and
I
think
that
that
should
be
an
Shanna's.
F
L
Mary,
pretty
much
to
my
first
point
about
property
taxes
and
I
will
say
just
getting
off
the
campaign
trail.
That
I
think
we
would
upset
a
lot
of
citizens
or
residents
of
Boulder
if
we
could
find
a
way
of
reallocating,
possibly
taking
away
some
and
then
putting
it
towards
the
library
that
might
be
something
worth
talking
about.
But
I
can
just
say
that
that
many
many
people
I
heard
from
that
was
probably
one
of
the
biggest
issues.
L
L
I'm,
just
I'm,
letting
you
know
just
having
to
voice
their
concerns
and
I'm,
not
saying
you
know,
I
understand
the
whole
cake
and
eat
it
too
issue
here,
but
I'm
just
I'm,
just
giving
you
guys
a
heads
up,
but
regardless,
regardless
of
how
this
goes,
it's
it's
gonna,
be
a
really
big
issue
for
many
people
out
there.
So
just
a
heads
up
and
I
would
actually
also
then
agree
with
Mary
I.
L
G
So
I'll
agree
with
much
of
what's
been
said:
I
loved
what
you
had
in
our
in
our
book
or
in
our
packet
tonight
that
the
library
is
a
core
service
in
a
Democratic
Society.
So
for
me
it's
not
a
plus
and
I
feel
like
for
many
years.
That's
how
we've
treated
library
as
an
option.
It's
not
an
option.
It's
a
basic
requirement
of
our
society
and
I.
G
Think
I
am
very
concerned
about
raising
taxes
I
liked
where
Aaron
was
going,
where
maybe
we
could
look
at
some
of
the
funding
already
within
our
general
fund,
and
so
I
would
encourage
you
to
look
at
that
and
see
if
there's
some
how
we
can
squeeze
the
terminator'
'nope
because
and
I.
Don't
think
anybody's
surprised
by
my
saying
that
you
know
I
think
I
used
to
say
if
you
don't
have
a
library
you're
going
to
have
a
dead
canary
in
your
coal
mine.
G
So,
yes,
that's
not
the
best
way
to
say
it,
but
libraries
are
fundamental
to
our
existence.
I'm
concerned
with
and
I
agree
with,
Joe
sales
tax
is
not
a
good
thing
to
do,
and
property
tax
also
is
something
so
I
would
like
to
look
internally
see.
How
can
we
do
this
I'm
very
keep
an
open
mind
but
I'm
I'm,
reticent
about
going
into
a
district,
because
I'm,
reticent
about
losing
control
of
all
the
assets
that
we
have
and
I
feel
like
and
I
went
into.
G
Second,
what
Aaron
said
to
you
my
word:
where
did
you
come
from?
You
have
done
an
amazing
job
with
our
library
system,
basically
squeezing
turnips
and
making
you
know
wonderful
things.
So
I
really
appreciate
that
and
I
think
it's
been
very
difficult
for
years.
You
know
because
I
know
you've
worried
so
much
and
wanted
to
do
so.
Many
wonderful
things
which
you
have
accomplished,
I,
don't
have
an
answer.
I
will
keep
my
mind
open,
but
I
will
say:
I
have
real,
can
I
liked
Aaron's
stuff
the
best
of
what's
been
put
out
here
tonight.
G
G
The
people
in
the
city
of
Boulder
pay
for
all
of
these
other
things,
and
then
we
have
people
who
live
on
our
periphery
and
they're,
wonderful
people
and
they
contribute
but
they're
not
paying
the
same
as
everybody
else
and
for
me
fundamentally
that
is
wrong
and
so
and
I've
said
this
before
I'm
happy
to
have
that
conversation
about
annexation
and
I'm,
not
up
for
election
and
I.
Think
I
think
it's
something
that
it
doesn't
matter
what
the
issue
is.
G
We
always
come
up
against
this
annexation
issue
and
we
either
need
to
deal
with
it,
suck
it
up
and
do
it
or
just
just
say:
okay,
we're
going
to
be
a
charity
to
all
of
these
enclaves
around
the
city
and
they
don't
have
to
pay
and
that's
not
fair,
so
I
guess
I
would
like
annexation
to
be
looked
at.
I
would
like
the
method
or
an
approach
that
Aaron
looked
at
and
I'm
very
concerned
about
losing
our
autonomy
on
our
this
wonderful,
wonderful
resource
and
I
agree
with
with
Mary
and
nearby.
G
Let
let
our
model
become
other
communities
models
as
well,
so
and,
and
one
last
thing-
and
this
just
has
to
do
with
libraries.
I-
would
be
very
reticent
about
ever
asking
people
who
are
coming
to
the
library
to
pay
for
those
services.
Just
because
it's
it's
the
core
of
our
fundamental
democratic
kind
of
spirit
in
America
and
and
it's
something
I
just
feel
as
a
given
and
and
we
need
to
have
libraries
so
Sam
and
then
Jill.
H
So,
thank
you,
David
for
all
you've
done
for
our
libraries.
In
fact,
I
wanted
to
call
out
one
program
in
particular
in
response
to
what
Jim
had
mentioned,
which
is
we
have
this
tree
debris
to
Opportunity
Program,
which
I
think
deserves
to
be
highlighted,
because
it's
a
12-week
program
for
people
who
are
unsheltered
to
learn
a
woodworking
technique
and
to
acquire
useful
skills.
So
I
think
that
is
another
in
which
the
library
has
collaborated
with
annouce
community.
So
thank
you
for
that.
H
This
is
a
sticky
problem
to
me
and
it's
really
a
funding
problem,
I
reflected
more
I'm
charging
for
services
and
that's
probably
not
the
right
way
to
go.
But
if
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
do
property,
taxes
and
annexation
is
politically
untenable
and
sales
taxes
are
progressive.
We
have
to
be
able
to
either
think
outside
the
box
or
live
within
the
current
budget.
H
So
we
could
talk
about
general
fund
dollars
and
how
those
allocations
are
done,
but
we
could
also
potentially
take
a
look
at
you
know:
sorting
people
who
apply
for
library
cards
either
well
geographically.
First
of
all,
because
everyone
in
Boulder
should
never
pay
anything
because
we're
already
paying
through
our
taxes,
but
if
there
are
people
who
are
coming
in
from
outside
the
system
to
regularly
use
the
system,
you
could
means-test
them
and
charge
for
a
card
right,
and
so
it's
not
charging
for
use.
It's
just
charging
to
qualify
to
be
allowed
to
use
the
facility.
H
I
mean
I,
don't
really
love
this
either.
But
if
you
go
down
the
list
of
very
tough,
you
know
options.
It's
certainly
something
that
I
think
should
be
on
the
table
as
a
way
to
think
about
how
we
take
people
from
outside
the
system
and
get
them
to
pay
their
way
both
for
the
operations
and
for
the
capital
needs.
That
being
said,
I
also
agree
with
getting
something
out
to
the
city
section
of
Gunbarrel
as
soon
as
possible,
so
getting
a
storefront
library.
H
So,
as
we
get
the
North
Boulder
facility
to
come
online,
then
maybe
we
can
use
some
of
that
operational
funding
source
to
support
Gunbarrel
I.
Don't
think,
there's
any
way
to
avoid
the
difficult
conversation
here
right.
It's
either
gonna
be
taxed,
I
mean
if
we
need
the
money,
it's
either
gonna
be
taxes
of
one
kind
or
another
or
it's
gonna
have
to
be
some
kind
of
Yousefi,
and
if
we
can
come
up
with
a
way
to
make
an
equitable
use
fee,
which
means
that
everyone
in
Boulder
never
has
to
pay
for
using
the
library.
H
H
The
district
I
really
only
be
interested
in
if
we
were
able
to
come
up
with
the
funding
source,
somewhat
similar
to
what
Aaron
brought
up,
where
it's
not
going
to
create
additional
burden
on
city
of
Boulder
residents,
who
are
already
essentially
paying
their
own
way,
but
would
bring
something
additional
and
from
the
outside
tax
base.
So
thanks
for
all
your
hard
work.
E
I'll
just
weigh
in
and
say,
I
would
also
love
to
see
us
continue
to
explore.
A
district
I
am
not
advocating
that
we
raise
property
taxes
I
in
an
ideal
world.
Obviously
we
find
funding
from
mixing
things
around
the
way
that
Aaron
suggested,
though
we're
looking
for
a
large
amount
of
money
and
I
would
push
back
a
little.
Having
also
been
on
the
campaign
trail
people
responded
to
that
thirty
to
forty
percent
increase
in
their
assessed
value,
not
necessarily
the
mill
rate.
That's
what
we
heard
that
came
after
years
of
the
highest
appreciation
we've
seen.
E
Those
are
only
assessed
every
two
years
if
it's
in
a
non
assessment
year,
what
we're
talking
about
is
the
mill
rate
and
the
difference
of
point
zero,
three
and
point
zero.
Six
is
not
you
know
a
million
and
a
half
dollars
for
you,
so
I
don't
know
that
it
would
be
as
abrasive
to
the
community
as
we're
making
it
sound.
That
said
it
maybe
who
knows
in
an
ideal
world,
we
find
you
know
funding
mechanisms
elsewhere,
but
it
sounds
like
a
sticky
problem
anyway.
E
A
K
F
M
Also
want
to
thank
commissioners.
I
know
this
is
a
lot
of
hard
work
and
a
lot
of
extra
hours.
Over
and
above
what
you
normally
have
to
do
to
serve
on
the
Library
Commission.
We
have
a
very
high
functioning,
Library,
Commission
and
I
think
we're
very
lucky
to
have
the
five
of
you
serving
I.
Just
went
in
I
mean
we've
been
talking
about
lots
of
ways
to
grow
the
pie.
M
You
know
whether
it's
user
fees
or
sales
tax
or
property
tax
or
annexation
or
district
or
whatever
I
think
you
know
those
are
all
just
different
flavors
of
the
same,
the
same
solution
which
is
growing
the
pie,
the
alternative,
obviously
a
mere
buy
touched
on
this
is,
is
reallocating.
The
pie
right,
in
other
words,
keep
the
pie
the
same
size
and
talk
about
priorities
within
our
general
fund.
So
if
david
says,
hey,
listen
for
an
extra
million
or
two
or
five
or
whatever
your
number
is.
These
are
all
the
wonderful
things
we
could
do.
M
Well,
that's
really
helpful
to
know
that
and
then
we
look
across
the
rest
of
the
budget
and
say
what
what
would
we
give
up
in
exchange
for
those
wonderful
things?
Would
we
do
less
road
repair?
Would
we
open
spaces
a
bad
example?
Cuz,
that's
you've
dedicated.
We
do
less
for
parks.
We
do
lust
for
recreation
facilities.
Would
we
degrade
our
fire
service?
M
What
do
you
need
and
what
will
we
good
for
that
and
then,
when
we
do,
our
budgets
and
I
know
that's
less
sustainable,
but
every
department
has
to
deal
with
that.
Every
department
has
to
arm
wrestle
with
all
the
other
departments
every
year
to
come
up
with
a
budget
that
they
feel
is
appropriate,
and
this
is
all
about
community
values
and
priorities,
and
so
I
want
us
to
focus
on
that
alternative
that
non
tax,
raising
alternative.
How
much
do
you
need
what
you
do
with
it,
and
then
we
can
compare
that
to
everything
else.
A
A
What
a
few
folks
said,
which
is
things
have
really
turned
around
in
the
last
few
years,
and
it's
because
of
you
guys
and
it's
really
a
thrill
to
walk
into
our
library,
especially
the
NE,
all
of
them,
but
I
think
about
how
the
downtown
one
has
been
renovated
and
it's
it's
just
something
else
and
the
makerspace
is
I,
think
opened
all
our
eyes.
So
that's
really
cool
I
think
in
terms
of
direction.
What
you
see
is
we
are
of
mixed
mind
and
I.
Don't
think,
there's
a
magic
answer
here.
A
B
Authority
ask
for
a
clarification
to
the
PI,
because
that's
basically
the
analysis
that
we've
done
internally
yeah,
but
we
are
not
here
to
question
the
city's
priorities.
Right
so
I
mean
you,
you
can
trace
those
priorities
over
the
course
of
the
last
15
years
and
that's
research
that's
available.
Is
that
what
you're
hoping
for
us
to
put
together?
Because
it's
quite
evident
when
you
do
that
research?
That's
a
library,
is
not
a
priority.
So
is
that
what
you're
hoping
that
we
bring
back
to
you.
A
M
The
data
I'd
like
to
see
I
mean
if
the
library
has
become
less
of
a
priority
relative
to
other
parts
of
the
budget.
That's
interesting
information
for
us
to
know
whether
that
decision
was
intentional
or
not.
I,
don't
know,
but
it
does
kind
of
doesn't
matter
I
liked.
It
I'd
like
to
know
where
we
are
and
where
you'd
like
to
take
us.
In
other
words,
one
at
one
set
of
assumptions.
I
think
I'd
like
to
see
the
Commission
and
the
staff
operator
is
assume
for
sake
of
discussion.
There's
no
new
dollars
coming
from
outside
sources.
M
What
what
do
you
need?
What
would
you
spend
it
on
and
then
let
us
work
with
the
city
manager
to
figure
out
where
those
dollars
can
come
from
internally
and
where
we
would
have
to
take
them
away
from
and
if
therefore
budget,
if
your
budget
has
shrunk,
the
library's
budget
has
shrunk
relative,
the
overall
city
budget.
That
would
be
interesting
to
know,
because
maybe
that
was
intentional-
and
maybe
that's
not.
Maybe
we
need
to
restore
the
library
to
the
funding
level
relative
to
the
other
departments
that
we
had
before
well,.
A
Degrees
of
ambition,
there's
all
the
wonderful
things
we
could
do,
there's
some
things
that
we
must
do,
there's
maintaining
what
we
have
and
I
think,
as
as
we
look
at
these
different
options
to
look
at
the
trade-offs
of
different
amounts
that
we
could
within
existing,
although
not
knowing
us
we're
not
going
to
stay
with
any
existing
but
Betty
how
what
the
trade-offs
are.
If
we
say:
okay,
we're
gonna
increase
it
some,
but
not
as
much.
What's
that
trade-off,
gonna
look
like.
G
G
You
know,
shoot
into
or
or
project
into,
Boulder
Meadows
and
project
into
Ponderosa,
which
I
think
would
be
great
when
you
think
there's
640
households
at
Boulder,
Meadows
and
less
than
15
percent.
Something
like
that
have
internet,
that's
a
huge,
huge
thing
and
so
I
like
Bob's
suggestion.
Let's
you
know,
see
what
we
have
and
I.
G
A
D
I
just
wanted
to
make
really
one
quick
request
if
I
could-
and
this
is
partly
in
response
to
two
Bob's
comment-
thank
you
for
letting
us
have
this
early
preview
of
the
master
plan.
The
Commission
actually
asked
for
this
because
we
wanted
to
make
sure
this
was
part
of
the
city's
next
two-year
work
plan.
To
do
the
kind
of
analysis
Bob
is
talking
about
is
not
library
staff.
They
can't
do
that.
D
So
I
would
really
request
from
you
guys
that
when
you
go
into
your
retreat
in
January,
you
have
this
on
the
agenda
and
think
about
the
staffing
that
would
be
required
from
outside
the
library
to
do
this
kind
of
analysis,
because
our
staff
is
is
strapped
and
frankly,
doesn't
have
those
some
those
resources
available
to
them.
So
so
that
was
a
primary
reason
for
being
here
tonight
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
we
emphasize
that.
C
Just
one
additional
thought,
just
as
you
think
about
in
analyzing
the
possibility
of
a
district
and
you
think
about
what
boundaries
that
might
have
I'm
the
Builder
valley
comp
plan
area
is
a
good
starting
place,
but
it
really
doesn't
go
to
the
West
much
at
all,
including
into
some
of
the
really
close
Mountain
subdivisions
that
I
think
are
probably
heavy
users
of
the
library.
So
don't
know
I
wouldn't
say
don't
stick
to
that.
As
the
only
thing
you
might
consider
and
thanks
again.
H
It
might
be
worth
reaching
out
to
the
county
to
see
if
there
are
county
staff
that
would
be
interested
in
helping
develop
like
what
the
boundaries
of
a
district
might
be
and
might
look
like,
because
the
county
would
probably
be
the
main
partner
with
the
city
in
any
kind
of
district
that
we
would
make.
So.
B
Our
memo
defines
that
in
some
to
some
extent
as
a
responsibility
of
City
Council
and
the
Library
Commission,
so
I
hope
you
will
assist
us
in
that
reaching
out
to
the
county.
We
know
the
staff
members,
but
it's
not
just
a
staff
effort
and
they're,
not
gonna,
have
the
time
to
work
on
it
without
some
direction.
From
that
part.
H
G
B
G
I
A
N
Thank
you
well
welcome.
Thank
you
so
much
for
giving
us
the
time
and
the
opportunity
to
update
you
all
on
both
our
climate
commitment
activities
as
well
as
municipal
ization.
This
is
an
exciting
time
and
I
also
want
to
welcome
our
new
council
members,
councilmember
Nagle
Carlyle,
and
grant
oh
very
nice
to
see
you
and
we
look
forward
to
working
with
you
all
on
this
stuff
as
we
go
forward
so
I'm
going
to
start
off
with
a
brief
introduction
of
what
they're
what
we're
gonna
cover
tonight.
We
have
a
brief
introduction.
N
I'm
heather
bailey
executive
director
of
energy
strategy
and
electric
utility
development.
Kendra
pepper,
is
our
chief
sustainability
officer
and
she
will
be
talking
about
climate
commitment
programs
and
what
we've
achieved.
We
have
Jonathan
Cohen,
our
regional
sustainability
coordinator
and
Jonathan
is
the
person
who's
sort
of
the
go-to
person
on
our
legislative
and
partnership
activities,
with
a
lot
of
the
things
that
we're
doing,
and
so
he
will
talk
about
that.
N
Matt
Lehrman,
who
I
don't
believe
you
all
have
met,
is
our
energy
strategy
coordinator,
and
he
is
the
person
that
works
on
our
PUC
stuff.
He
also
is
working
on
our
electric
vehicle
strategy
and
does
all
the
really
complicated
bottling
and
analysis
that
you'll
see
that
you
see
from
time
to
time.
I'm
also
really
excited
in
that
we
have
two
guests:
Frank
Bruno
who's,
the
executive
director
of
via
mobility
services
and
david
kang,
the
vice
chancellor
of
infrastructure
and
safety
for
see.
N
You
all
are
very
familiar
with
this,
and
I
want
to
just
mention
that
it's
been
a
journey
for
the
city
and
I
say
say
that,
because
it
is
a
mix
of
the
community
becoming
very
active
and
asking
the
city
and
council
to
be
more
aggressive
in
addressing
climate
change
and
reducing
emissions,
as
well
as
staff
and
council
working
together
over
the
last
15
years.
To
do
some
really
great
things.
N
N
N
The
other
piece
providing
energy
customers
with
a
say
about
their
power
supply
is
this
whole
concept
of
democratization,
in
which
a
lot
of
the
muni
was
based
on
and
is
not
something
we
have
the
ability
to
do
today
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
always
talk
about
is,
if
we're
going
to
create.
While
we
need
to
control
the
power
supply
to
achieve
our
emissions
goals.
N
Economic
vitality
can
take
different
forms,
but
we
have
over
30
energy
based
companies
in
Boulder,
and
these
are
the
companies
that
are
creating
the
really
innovative
things:
the
new
technologies,
the
things
that
will
change
the
way
we
use
electricity
and
enhance
our
quality
of
life.
Our
vision
of
the
future
is
how
we
can
partner
with
those
entities
to
provide
services
to
our
community,
as
well
as
enhance
their
visibility
and
showcase
the
the
thing
that
are
happening
here:
social,
environmental
justice
in
the
energy
sector.
This
has
this
is
a
topic.
N
That's
really
risen
over
the
last
few
years
across
the
country,
solar
panels
and
energy
efficiency
measures.
There
is
a
segment
of
the
population
that
can't
afford
to
do
that,
and
so
some
of
those
folks
probably
need
those
things
more
than
anybody.
They
need
the
ability
to
reduce
their
costs
and
to
save
money,
but
they
don't
have
the
resources
to
do
that
as
we
move
forward
and
looking
at
any
of
our
programs,
Muni
and
otherwise,
being
able
to
serve
all
aspects
of
the
community
and
having
equal
access
to
these
services
is
very
important.
N
So
again,
our
energy
future
goals
are
how
we
do
it
and
the
goals
of
the
targets
that
we're
trying
to
reach.
Maybe
it's
easier
if
I
do
all
right
so
with
that
setup.
Here
are
the
questions
we
have
for
y'all.
Do
you
have
any
questions
related
to
me
to
civilization?
Is
the
work
plan
provide
the
information
that
you
need?
Are
there
any
other
County?
Is
there
anything
else?
N
The
council
would
like
to
see
at
the
April
28th
teen
station
and
Kendra
is
going
to
give
a
presentation
and
after
that
she's
going
to
list
the
things
that
are
gonna
be
presented
at
the
April
session
and
does
counsel
agree
with
staffs
part
ization
of
additional
strategies.
So
as
we
go
through
the
presentation,
if
you
could
keep
these
questions
in
mind,
we
will
ask
for
feedback
at
the
end.
N
O
Thanks
so,
as
Heather
already
mentioned,
the
city
is
committed
to
some
really
aggressive
climate
and
energy
go
energy
goals
and
overall,
our
climate
commitment
goal
is
to
reduce
emissions
80%
by
2050
and
that's
relative
to
a
2005
baseline,
and
this
is
in
line
with
what
climate
scientists
have
agreed
is
necessary
to
limit
temperature
rise
to
somewhat
sustainable
levels.
We
also
have
a
number
of
interim
2030
goals,
including
100%
renewables
and
100
megawatts
by
2030.
O
Important,
as
Heather
mentioned,
is
not
just
the
targets
themselves,
but
how
we
achieve
them
so,
for
instance,
going
out
and
buying
renewable
energy
certificates
or
recs
wouldn't
be
sufficient
to
meet
these
goals
if
they
didn't
contribute
to
safe,
reliable
resilient
energy
systems,
economic
vitality
and
social
equity,
and
so
we're
focusing
on
energy
tonight.
But
there
are
three
other
areas
of
focus
or
three
areas
of
focus
for
the
climate
commitment
and
that's
energy
resources
and
ecosystems.
We're
gonna
talk
about
all
three
of
these
in
a
study
session
in
2018,
but
just
for
context.
O
The
objective
for
energy
is
really
to
rapidly
transition
from
fossil
fuels,
to
clean
renewables,
with
resources,
we're
hoping
to
reduce
water
use
and
solid
waste,
and
overall
minimize
the
environmental
impact
of
our
material
and
food
consumption
and
with
ecosystems.
The
goal
is
to
restore
and
enhance
our
natural
ecosystems,
as
well
as
their
ability
to
sequester
carbon,
so
the
community
and
council
members
can
read
a
lot
more
about
all
these
efforts
by
downloading
the
city's
climate
commitment
document.
We
have
a
couple
copies
here
which
is
available
on
our
web
site.
O
So
when
we
talk
about
that
energy
goal,
the
transition
from
fossil
fuels
to
renewables,
it
can
be
difficult
for
people
to
envision
exactly
what
that
means
and
exactly
how
they
can
contribute
to
that
transition.
And
so
we
try
to
break
it
down
into
three
really
simple
objectives:
the
first
being
that
number
one
priority
of
achieving
a
100%
renewable
electricity
supply.
O
This
is
kind
of
what
everything
is
based
on,
because
the
other
key
factor
that
we
have
to
achieve
is
electrifying
our
vehicles
and
buildings,
so
that
gets
that
transitioning
our
vehicles
and
our
buildings
off
of
petroleum
and
natural
gas
and
on
to
electric
alternatives.
So
electric
heat
pumps
instead
of
natural
gas,
furnaces
electric
vehicles
instead
of
gasoline
and
then
then
those
buildings
and
vehicles
will
be
able
to
be
powered
by
the
100%
renewable
electricity
supply.
And
then
the
third
piece
is
to
maximize
building
and
vehicle
efficiency.
O
O
So
this
chart
represents
the
modeling
that
the
staff
has
done
out
to
2050,
where
we
were
testing
out
a
variety
of
scenarios
and
future
programs
to
see
if
we
actually
could
achieve
that
80%
reduction
target
by
2050,
and
so
it
shows
here
how
critical
it
is
to
have
a
100%
renewable
electricity
supply,
but
that
still
only
reduces
our
emissions
by
43
percent.
And
so
the
other
half
of
the
reductions
have
to
come
from
the
transportation
sector
and
from
building
efficiency
and
electrification,
and
then
even
projecting
out
savings
for
future
programs
that
haven't
been
designed.
O
It's
also
helpful
to
know
where
we
are
today
relative
to
those
end
targets,
and
so
the
important
takeaway
here
is
that
we've
made
real
progress
towards
these
goals,
even
though
we
have
a
long
way
to
go,
especially
with
reducing
our
community-wide
greenhouse
gas
emissions
13%
since
2005,
even
as
our
economy
grew
significantly.
So
during
that
time
period
our
gross
domestic
product
actually
went
up
by
49
percent,
and
so
with
on
my
I'm
gonna
turn
it
over
to
Matt.
P
Thanks
Kendra
I'm
Matt,
Lehrman
I'm,
the
energy
strategy
coordinator,
so
as
part
of
evaluating
the
options
to
achieve
our
climate
commend
the
goals
we
looked
at
a
number
of
different
power
supply
scenarios
that
could
be
in
play
in
Boulder.
What
you
see
here
is
four
different
scenarios
that
we
looked
at,
that
we
looked
at
two
related
to
the
Muni
and
two
in
Excel,
and
what
you're
seeing
is
each
bar
shows
the
cumulative
emissions
reductions
that
would
take
place
under
each
of
those
scenarios.
P
So
in
this
case
the
lower
is
the
better
that's
more
reduction
but
scenario
D
on
the
left
is
a
scenario
in
which
we
hit.
We
achieve
the
100%
renewable
electricity
goal
in
2030
under
the
Muni
scenario.
C
is
a
scenario
in
which
we
achieve
80%
emissions
reduction.
I'm,
sorry,
80
percent
renewable
is
compared
in
2030
scenario.
P
B
is
the
most
aggressive
plan
that
Xcel
put
forward
in
their
electric
resource
plan,
that's
currently
underway
at
the
Public
Utilities
Commission,
and
that's
about
45
to
50
percent
renewable
and
then
scenario
a
is
kind
of
the
midline
projection
from
the
ERP.
So
it
essentially
assumes
that
Xcel
achieves
the
renewable
energy
standard
requirements
in
2020,
which
is
30
percent
renewable
and
then
going
forward.
They
just
maintain
that
level
and
only
add
renewables
as
older
resources
fall
off.
P
The
difference
between
the
two
scenarios
is,
you
know
it's
29
million
metric
tons,
that's
about
16
years
worth
of
boulders
emissions
were
about
1.8
million
metric
tons
a
year,
so
I
think
the
key
takeaway
here
is
that
the
faster
we
can
get
to
our
goals,
the
better,
because
the
cumulative
emissions
really
add
up
quickly.
So
one
takeaway
from
this
slide
faster
is,
is
certainly
better.
P
And
once
we
figure
that
out,
we
also
figured
a
few
other
things
that
we
learned.
We
learned
a
few
things
as
we
were
evaluating
different
options
and
what
became
really
clear
is
that
there
are
significant
barriers,
three
of
which
I'll
talk
about
for
a
few
minutes.
One
is
legislative,
one
is
operational
and
one
is
regulatory,
and
essentially
these
barriers
make
it
very
difficult
to
achieve
our
climate
commitment
targets
without
addressing
them.
P
On
the
legislative
side,
there
are
ideas
like
Community
Choice,
aggregation
that
if
we
were
not
gonna
form
a
Muni
and
we
wanted
to
by
our
own
power
supply.
We
simply
can't
do
that
today
and
in
a
non
Muni
scenario,
that
would
be
an
essential
component
to
to
achieving
our
climate
commitment
goals,
but
that
requires
legislative
change
at
the
operational
level.
There's
simple
things
like:
if
we
wanted
to
build
a
community
solar
garden,
we
can't
do
that,
except
for
one
Excel
offers
an
RFP
for
community
solar
gardens.
P
We
can't
just
call
them
tomorrow
and
say
we're
building
a
garden.
You
know
connect
us
to
the
grid.
We
also
can't
do
things
that
are
really
important
to
the
community.
Like
investing
in
our
infrastructure.
We
can't
build
a
micro
grid
in
a
neighborhood
to
enhance
resilience.
We
can't
choose
when
and
where
various
parts
of
the
distribution
system
are
under
grounded
that's
entirely
up
to
excel,
so
we're
kind
of
at
the
whims
of
their
of
their
policy
goals.
P
At
this
point,
and
then,
finally,
on
the
regulatory
side,
there
are
things
like
on-bill
financing
that
are
simply,
you
know,
just
not
possible
in
the
regulatory
environment.
So
if
you
wanted
to
finance
something
on
your
bill
for
energy
efficiency
or
for
distributed
solar
today
and
in
this
environment,
it's
it's
not
possible.
We
can
that's
not
to
say
we
can
make
progress.
We
can
make
some
progress
under
the
current
environment,
but
it's
won't
go
fast
enough
and
won't
go
far
enough
to
to
achieve
our
client
commitment
goals.
O
Thanks
Matt,
so
I'm
gonna
talk
about
our
efforts
across
a
number
of
areas
and
just
wanted
to
make
the
point
that,
although
the
city
has
dedicated
a
lot
of
effort
to
pursuing
municipal
that
hasn't
been
at
the
expense
of
other
climate
and
energy
efforts,
and
so
in
the
interest
of
time,
Jonathan
and
I
are
gonna.
Try
to
go
through
these
five
other
areas:
voluntary
programs,
local
policy,
pilots,
policy,
reform
and
partnerships
and
hit
on
some
of
the
accomplishments
that
our
work
groups
have
made
over
the
years.
O
O
So
I'm
going
to
start
with
our
our
programs
are
voluntary
programs,
and
so
in
partnership
with
Boulder
County
pace
or
partners
for
a
clean
environment
has
been
providing
sustainability,
advising
services
and
financial
rebates
for
businesses
for
many
years
now,
and
this
program
covers
not
only
energy
but
wastewater
and
transportation
and
energy
smart.
The
energy
program
within
pace
has
assisted
with
nearly
1100
efficiency
upgrades
over
the
years
that
have
saved
annually
16
million
kilowatt
hours,
which
is
equivalent
to
taking
about
2,400
cars
off
the
road.
O
At
the
other
end
of
the
spectrum,
we
have
the
Boulder
Energy
Challenge,
which
is
an
innovative
grant
program
that
aims
to
fun
creative
solutions
in
support
of
boulders
climate
goals.
It
was
launched
in
2014
and
has
since
funded
ten
projects
over
two
rounds,
ranging
from
everything
from
new
hybrid
technology
pilot
projects,
behavior
change,
programs
with
Boulder
housing
partners
and
a
community
engagement
platform
called
Boulder
dot
earth.
Thus
far,
the
most
successful
projects
have
gone
on
to
secure
millions
of
dollars
of
outside
investment.
O
After
these
initial
pilots
and
the
city,
staff
is
currently
working
to
apply
for
grant
funding
to
try
to
spin
this
program
off
into
a
regional
program
that
could
be
run
by
a
community
partner.
That's
in
the
clean
tech
innovation
space
over
the
years
the
cities
work
in
solar
has
led
to
the
installation
of
about
20
megawatts
of
local
rooftop
solar.
Our
programs
include
providing
grants
for
low-income
residents
and
nonprofits
through
the
solar
grant
program.
O
As
well
as
solar
rebates
and
a
solar
bulk
purchasing
program
in
partnership
with
the
county
and
these
efforts,
along
with
changes
to
permitting
process
these
which
produce
soft
cast
and
then
updating
our
codes
to
require
new
buildings
to
be
solar,
ready,
have
led
to
builder
certification
as
a
platinum,
solar,
friendly
and
gold.
Sol
smart
community
and
staff
is
now
working
on
a
comprehensive
strategy
to
meet
our
long-term
local
solar
goals.
O
Staff
from
transportation,
energy
future
and
climate
and
sustainability
have
been
working
collaboratively
to
try
and
accelerate
the
adoption
of
electric
vehicles
throughout
the
city
by
the
end
of
2017,
the
city
will
operate,
48
publicly
available
charging
stations,
and
that
represents
a
16%
or
600
percent
increase
since
the
year
2015
and
finally,
Matt
is
leading
an
effort
to
develop
a
local
long
term.
Electric
vehicle
strategy,
as
well
in
terms
of
our
city,
owned
facilities
and
our
efforts
to
reduce
our
organizational
wide
emissions.
O
This
is
a
collaborative
effort
across
the
number
of
departments
working
towards
that
80%
goal
and
currently
we've
reduced
emissions
34%
and,
in
addition
to
efficiency,
retrofits
on
existing
facilities.
The
city's
working
to
redesign
the
new
Alpine
balsam
site
to
be
consistent
with
our
long-term
climate
goals
and
the
brenton
building,
which
is
currently
undergoing
a
renovation
post
renovation,
expects
to
use
90
percent
less
energy
than
it
did
when
we
purchased
it.
O
City
Council
adopted
the
building
performance
ordinance
in
2015,
and
this
ordinance
moves
beyond
just
our
voluntary
programs
and
requires
all
large
commercial
and
industrial
buildings
to
rate
and
report.
Their
energy
use
eventually
publicly
disclose
it
after
a
two-year
grace
period
and
to
perform
cost-effective
energy
efficiency
actions.
Over
time.
The
program
has
achieved
100%
compliance
thus
far,
and
by
2020
nearly
450
buildings
will
be
phased
in
and
affected
by
this
requirement,
generating
long-term
emissions
and
economic
benefits
for
the
community
adopted
in
2010.
O
The
smart
recs
policy
was
really
our
first
policy
that
that
targeted
existing
buildings
and
it
requires
all
of
our
licensed
rental
properties,
which
is
about
20,000
units
to
be
inspected
and
then
meet
a
basic
level
of
energy
efficiency
by
the
end
of
the
year,
2018,
which
has
come
faster
than
we
thought
you
have
to
meet
these
requirements
in
order
to
receive
your
rental
license.
So
the
city
was
able
to
leverage
the
existing
residential
energy
smart
program
that
we
already
had
in
place
to
provide
advising
services
and
also
financial
rebates
to
property
owners.
O
The
city
has
been
enforcing
a
requirement
since
2012
for
all
marijuana
facilities
to
offset
100
percent
of
their
electricity
use
with
renewable
energy.
The
options
have
always
been.
You
could
do
that
through
rooftop
solar
PV,
community,
solar
gardens
or
an
offset
of
some
kind
in
2017,
the
city
created
a
new
energy
impact
offset
fund
that
businesses
can
now
pay
into
this
requirement.
O
So
previously
the
businesses
were
we're
buying
into
excels,
win
source
program
or
third-party
racks
to
comply
with
the
offset
requirement,
and
that
resulted
in
about
a
half
a
million
dollars
a
year,
leaving
the
community
and
in
those
payments.
So
now
that
we
have
the
the
new
fund
set
up,
we're
about
to
invoice
them
for
the
first
time
so
starting
in
2018,
the
city
will
begin
to
collect
money
into
this
new
fund,
which
we
can
then
use
in
the
future
to
develop
local
renewable
projects
within
the
community.
O
O
Q
Not
done
mayor
members
of
council,
I'm
Jonathan
come
on
the
regional
sustainability
coordinator,
I'm
gonna,
take
just
a
couple
minutes
and
talk
a
little
bit
about
our
policy
strategy
and
also
some
of
the
partnerships
and
in
that
spirit
of
collaboration.
While
there
are
four
people
sitting
up
here,
just
as
Kendra
said,
I
really
want
to
acknowledge
the
amazing
work
of
the
staff
sitting
behind
and
also
the
community
members,
both
here
and
at
home,
because
really,
we
would
not
be
where
we
are
without
the
extraordinary
work.
Q
So,
starting
with
policy
for
over
a
decade,
we've
really
been
focused
on
how
we
can
influence
policy
at
the
local
state
and
federal
level.
It's
really
been
part
of
our
work
plan
for
some
time
to
be
clear
when
I
talk
about
policy
I'm
talking
about
both
the
rulemaking
that
occurs
at
the
Public
Utilities
Commission,
and
also
legislation
that
occurs,
of
course,
at
the
State
Capitol
and
so
on.
Q
So
we
really
try
to
identify
those
and
figure
out
how
we
can
either
work
around
or
through
some
of
those
challenges
attachment
a
in
your
packet
gives
a
sampling
of
some
of
those
challenges
that
we
hear
from
our
community
on
a
regular
basis,
things
that
they
would
like
to
do,
and
we
try
to
understand
really
where
those
pinch
points
occur.
And
then
we
try
to
build
that
into
our
policy
agenda
moving
forward.
Q
So
when
going
back
to
the
PUC
I,
think
council
is
familiar
with
the
PUC
in
the
context
of
our
municipal
ization
effort
and
of
course,
but
what
you
may
not
know
is
that
we
have
spent
quite
a
bit
of
time
over
the
past
10
years
or
so
advocating
for
certain
issues
at
the
PUC
attachment.
F
is
a
sampling
or
actually
a
pretty
good
list
of
30
proceedings
that
we've
been
involved
in
since
2009
and
5
I
believe
that
we're
current
in
right
now,
it's
a
challenging
place
to
do
work.
No
doubt
we're
one
voice.
Q
We
have
to
do
a
lot
of
work.
Deb
Kalish
in
the
city's
attorneys,
the
City
Attorney's
Office,
is
an
extraordinary
attorney
at
the
PUC
and
we're
incredibly
fortunate
to
have
her
on
the
team.
Yet
we
are
just
one
voice
in
trying
to
shape
some
of
the
policy
that
happens
there.
We
have
been
doing
a
lot
of
work
to
build
some
coalitions
with
other
cities,
particularly
the
City
and
County
of
Denver,
trying
to
work
with
them
to
have
more
of
a
presence
at
the
PUC
and
working
in
that
direction.
Q
So
I
think
we're
making
some
good
progress.
You
go
ahead
and
flip
so
shifting
to
our
legislative
efforts.
You
know
I,
think
that
the
point
of
this
is
that
we
know
that
the
best
way
for
local
governments
to
really
achieve
change
at
the
state
and
federal
level
is
to
build
coalitions
to
really
think
about
how
we
can
partner
with
other
entities
that
have
similar
goals.
Q
In
the
attempt
of
how
do
we
build
this
coalition
of
other
cities
that
have
similar
goals,
because
we
can
then
have
a
stronger
presence
at
the
state
capital
CC
for
CA
has
been
around
for
about
a
year
right
now
we
represent
about
one
eighth
of
all:
Coloradans,
that's
15
communities.
We
develop
a
legislative
agenda
each
year
with
right
now
about
15
policy
priorities
last
session.
Q
What
I
also
say
you
can
click
again
in
terms
of
kind
of
now
going
a
little
bit
wider.
The
work
that
we
do
in
terms
of
coalitions
and
partnerships
is
pretty
extraordinary
in
terms
of
the
reach
that
we
have.
We
are
part
of
a
countless
number
of
climate-related
coalition's
nationally
and
internationally
and
I'll
point
out
two
on
this
slide.
That
I
think
are
really
important
and
they're
in
the
bottom
left-hand
corner
us
DNR,
the
urban
sustainability
directors
Network
and
the
one
right
above,
which
is
a
carbon-neutral
Cities
alliance.
Q
Q
Kendra
mentioned
Boulder
dot
earth,
which
is
a
web
portal
that
was
funded
by
the
city
for
this
very
purpose.
It's
truly
a
grassroots
effort
created
by
the
community
for
the
community,
and
the
purpose
of
the
portal
is
to
really
identify
specific
actions
that
individuals
can
take.
It
has
a
great
community
calendar
of
events
and
a
directory
of
organizations
that
are
working
on
climate
issues
here
in
Boulder.
Now
why
the
city
plays
a
facilitating
role.
Q
The
portal
is
really
becoming
an
extraordinary
community
space
for
the
working
in
climate
action
and,
finally,
we
need
to
acknowledge
the
amazing
work.
That's
taking
place
here
locally,
particularly
by
the
private
sector.
Businesses
doing
amazing
things
which
brings
me
to
kind
of
our
next
piece
of
this
discussion.
We're
really
incredibly
fortunate
to
have
our
two
guests
to
talk
briefly
about
the
partnerships
that
we've
forged
with
their
organizations
before
I.
Q
F
Thanks
Jonathan
question
in
this
slide
that
you
showed
he
talked
about
the
CNC,
a
the
carbon-neutral
city's
alliance
and
and
the
urban
sustainability
directors
Network,
and
how
you've
been
able,
through
those
memberships,
obtain
some
funding
for
various
projects
and
I
was
curious
to
know
where
the
funding
where
the
money
comes
from
for
yep
delivering
that
funding.
Yes,.
O
So
there's
a
number
of
funding
partners
for
those
organizations,
everything
from
the
energy
foundation,
Kresge
Summit,
Foundation
Bloomberg,
and
so
they
have
a
number
of
funders
in
their
network
and
they
do
regular
innovation
grant
funding
rounds
both
through
us
TN
and
CN
CA,
where
you
partner
with
other
cities
and
propose
ideas
and
can
receive
funding
that
way.
I.
C
Tried
a
question
from
back
early
in
your
presentation:
I,
really
liked
how
you
laid
out
the
three
simple
objectives.
It
was
very
clear
and
coherent,
but
I
had
a
specific
question
about
the
last
last
one
was
maximizing,
maximizing,
building
and
vehicle
efficiency.
Do
we
have
any
levers
at
the
city
level
for
about
the
vehicle
efficiency,
not.
O
Really
but
there's
to
be
honest
when
we
projected
out
our
emissions
reductions
out
to
2050
the
pathway
to
get
there,
we
were
assuming
significant
reductions
coming
from
federal,
cafe,
standards
and
so
the
lever
that
we
have
really
is
sort
of
with
this
legislative
agenda
and
lobbying
for
things
that
the
federal
level
that
are
that
important
to
not
be
taken
away
and
to
not
be
degraded
and
Matt
did
some
work
recently.
On
that
we.
P
C
A
R
C
S
Q
And
just
one
less
piece
on
this
topic,
you
know
a
lot
of
that
work.
We
can
activate
through
some
local
coalition's
that
we
participate
in.
We
have
a
great
partnership
of
local
jurisdictions,
colluding
the
City
and
County
of
Denver
and
Front
Range
communities
that
we
tend
to
activate
when
these
issues
come
up
and
so
whether
it's
supporting
a
particular
initiative
at
the
state
or
at
the
federal
level,
it's
been
an
extraordinary
opportunity.
So
I'm
gonna
ask
Frank
to
come
on
up.
I,
don't
think
Frank
Bruno
needs
a
whole
lot
of
introduction.
S
S
Think
that's
what
Jonathan
and
Brett
have
been
envisioning,
where
our
facility,
where
we
install
in
addition
to
our
current
solar
array,
we
install
additional
solar
power.
We
installed
battery
backup
or
battery
support
and
backup
generation
on-site
generation
two
to
make
our
to
begin
the
transition
of
a
rather
routine
facility
in
making
beginning
to
make
it
much
more
sustainable
and
resilient.
We
are
a
second
responder
in
the
community
and
I
think
the
fact
that
we
operate
in
that
community
transit
networks
piece
as
well
as
that
second
responder
piece.
S
We
can
get
to
the
point
where
we
can
operate
our
vehicles
for
evacuations
and
maybe
even
Jonathan
was
talking
about
an
idea.
He
has
for
maybe
on-site
power
support
in
times
of
a
crisis
where
via
can
be
involved
in
that,
but
the
first
steps
are
to
get.
There
are
additional
solar
again
in
addition
to
our
current
array
and
we're
excited
about
that.
We'd
like
to
you
know,
looking
at
the
policies
that
that
the
city
has
adopted
we'd
love
to
see
via
really
become
completely
renewable
within,
say
10
15
years.
S
Obviously
we
have
to
be
very
vigilant
to
get
there,
but
then
we
would
see
a
renewable
facility
that
is
now
that
would
be
then
powering
renewable
vehicles
because
we're
moving
our
fleet.
We
will
be
taking
the
steps
very
shortly
here
to
move
our
fleet
to
electric
vehicles
and
obviously
that's
going
to
take
some
time.
The
hot
buses
would
be
the
first
goal
and
then
obviously
body
on
chassis,
the
white
via
buses
that
you
see
all
over
the
community,
those
are
not
being
constructed
with
in
an
electric
mode.
S
Yet
we're
gonna
do
everything
we
can
to
help
advocate
for
that
transition
as
well.
We
think
that
would
be
great.
So
you
know
it's
a
big
picture.
It's
a
it's
a
package,
but
the
work
begins.
I
think
it's
next
week
on
our
first
expenditure
of
dollars
to
make
this
happen,
and
it's
partnership
with
the
city
of
Boulder,
with
Boulder
County,
with
department
of
energy
with
via
it's
really
a
very
wonderful
project.
S
I
been
excited
to
sit
on
the
on
the
our
team
on
at
V,
aside
with
Bill
Patterson,
our
CFO
who's
been
leading
the
effort
with
Jonathan
and
and
Brett,
and
it's
been
really
a
great
model
but
I
think
because
of
the
involvement
of
the
city
staff.
It's
become
an
even
better
project
over
the
last
several
weeks
month
and
I'm
really
excited
about
that.
So
the
ability,
Eltham
Utley
to
operate
off-grid
in
times
of
crisis
and
also
in
times
when
we
are
completely
renewable,
will
be
very
exciting.
A
A
He
doesn't
thing,
I
would
say,
is
I
actually
like
soon
we
went
and
talked
to
the
chamber
about
the
stuff,
we're
doing
and
a
lot
of
people
don't
know
all
the
great
stuff
we're
doing
and
so
I
think
giving
updates
on
progress
towards
projects
like
this
I
think
would
be
really
inspiring
to
people
and
also
useful
to
know
how's
it
going.
Is
it
working?
How
do
we
you
know,
support
it?
It's
something
we
need
to
do
a
lot
more
of
so
welcome
your
thoughts
on
how
we
can
get
the
word
out
about
it.
Well,.
S
Actually,
to
that
end,
mayor
Jones
next
Wednesday
evening,
the
6th,
we're
hosting
the
Boulder
Chamber
of
Commerce
for
a
business
after-hours
and
my
thought
was
well.
You
know.
Yes,
we
can
do
that
in
the
conference
room
at
via
everyone's
seen,
a
conference
room
right,
but
instead
we're
hosting
it
down
in
the
garage
and,
frankly,
that's
where
the
action
happens
for
via
mobility.
That's
where
we
roll
from
and
we're
also
going
to
be
describing
the
resiliency
project
showing
them
we're,
showing
them
the
solar
array.
S
S
If
we
could
show
some
of
that
in
progress,
I
think
that's
the
beginning
of
really
trying
to
start
getting
business,
people
that
might
not
normally
be
thinking
about
this,
and
especially
in
the
context
of
via
and
seeing
us
with
a
different
role
in
a
partnership
with
the
city
and
frankly,
we
have
a
partnership
very
much
with
CEO
as
well
with
late-night
hop
and
some
of
the
other
things
we're
doing
so.
We're
gonna
be
talking
about
this
stuff.
A
lot.
G
S
A
great
question,
councillor
more
so
we
we
I,
think
many
people
are
aware
that
via
has
operated
the
late-night
hop
for
several
years
and
I
really
do
you
know
when
I
would
talk
to
students?
I
would
really
hone
in
on
that
service,
because
it's
not
it
really
is
so
much
about
community
transit,
but
it's
also
about
safety
and
I'm
really
excited
about
that
that
we're
doing
that
work
and
doing
that
work.
With
with
the
student
government.
S
This
summer
we
met
with
the
student
government
leaders
because
I
believe
there's
so
much
more
that
we
can
be
doing
together
around
community
transit.
I.
Think
part
of
that
starts
with
students
really
getting
a
better
sense
of
what's
available
to
them
and
when
it's
available
to
them
and
the
fact
that
I'm
willing
to
see
us
craft,
very
customized,
transit
approaches
with
smaller
vehicles
for
the
students
and
I
think
that
starts
with
the
student
leaders.
Tell
us
what
are
the
students
thinking
where?
Where
would
they
like
to
be
going?
How
do
they
want
to
get
there?
S
We
would
do
some
branding
with
the
students
as
well.
We
just
got
three
vehicles:
the
mve,
the
little
boxy
vehicles
that
you
see
and
we
we
got
them
in
black
this
time
and
we
did
a
reverse
color
scheme
just
so
we
might
be
able
to
brand
some
of
those
vehicles
with
see
you
as
well
so
I
think
it's
again
opening
up
many
eyes
to
what
we're
doing
together
already
and
getting
their
thoughts
as
to
what
may
be
possible
going
into
the
future,
because
I
think
there's
a
lot
more.
We
can
be
doing
no.
G
C
Yeah
and
just
one
more
thing
on
the
frame
thanks
for
coming
and
tell
us
about
this,
just
if
it
were
possible
to
get
like
a
fact
sheet
on
the
resilience
project,
if
he
is
doing
I,
think
that'd
be
very
helpful
for
me
and
the
rest
of
Council,
then
we
could
spread
the
information
about
it
more
into
the
community.
That's
great.
S
Q
A
good
segue
to
our
next
speaker,
David
kang,
who
is
coming
up,
and
I
should
say
that
our
relationship
with
see
you
runs
pretty
deep
in
a
lot
of
different
ways.
Since
david
has
been
with
the
university,
I
will
say
the
possibilities
and
the
partnership
opportunities
have
have
really
exploded
and
I.
Think
you'll
see
why
here
in
just
a
moment,
so
David
Kang
is
the
vice
chancellor
for
infrastructure
and
safety
and
the
chief
facilities
officer
and
the
chief
brain
on
all
of
all
things.
Resilient
and
energy.
T
Jonathan
good
evening,
and
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
come
here,
speak
to
you
about
my
favorite
topic,
sustainability
and
resiliency.
Again,
my
name
is
Dave
Kang
I'm,
the
vice
chancellor
for
infrastructure
and
safety
at
cu-boulder.
I'd
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
take
this
opportunity
to
brag
a
little
bit
about
Cu.
Our
campus
has
grown
from
one
building
in
1876
to
a
world-class
research
and
education
facility
or
engineering
space
physics,
geography
and
climate
programs
are
nationally
recognized.
T
T
The
state
of
the
relationship
between
Cu
and
the
city
I
think
has
never
been
better
either
and
I'm
really
here
to
reaffirm
our
commitment
to
continuing
to
work
with
the
city
on
areas
that
overlap
specifically
in
energy
sustainability
and
resiliency
I.
Think
we've
made
a
lot
of
good
progress
and
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
room
actually
to
move
as
well.
Now
my
goal
for
CU
Boulder
is
absolutely
to
be
recognized
as
a
world
leader
in
sustainability
and
resiliency
I'm
not
gonna,
accept
anything
less.
T
This
means
that
we
need
to
set
a
high
bar
for
ourselves.
We
need
to
set
the
example.
We
need
to
lead
by
example,
optimize
how
we
use
our
spaces,
how
we
use
energy,
how
we
use
water,
how
we
consume
things.
We
need
to
promote
sustainability
and
procurement.
We
need
to
explore
alternative
transportation
options.
All
the
things
that
Kendra
mentioned
I
mean
it
was
like
I
could
have
written
that
myself
and
I
have
waste
reduction
among
many
other
things,
and
in
case
you
didn't
know,
we
recently
created
and
hired
a
chief
sustainability
officer
position
as
well.
T
G
T
Sustainability
to
me
also
means
that
our
solutions
have
to
be
cost
effective
to
be
replicable.
This
has
been
a
focus
for
our
team
here
at
CU
we
were
focused
on
becoming
smarter
and
more
sustainable
so
that
we
can
become
more
resilient,
so
we've
been
really
dynamic
and
sometimes
in
an
unforgiving
environment
impacts
from
Hurricane,
Katrina
and
Sandy,
and
more
recently,
Harvey
Irma
Maria.
Don't
wake
us
up
what
will
closer
to
home
back
in
2013,
we
had
some
devastating
floods
as
well.
T
My
number
one
priority
is
to
make
sure
that
I
can
keep
our
faculty
staff
and
students
safe
equally
important.
We
need
to
ensure
that
we
can
keep
our
campus
functioning
because
we
have
a
mission
of
education
and
research
and
if
we
have
to
stop
what
we're
doing
every
time,
there's
a
disruption,
whether
it's
snow
or
power
or
water
or
fire
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
get
our
job
done.
I
think
you
have
similar
things
that
you
think
about
too.
As
a
community,
more
specifically,
energy
in
the
modern
age
is
a
necessity.
T
It's
our
responsibility.
They
say,
as
leaders
and
community
members
to
be
prepared
to
meet
these
issues
head-on,
and
we
need
to
be
prepared
for
disruptions.
We
need
to
invest
in
capabilities
that
help
weather
these
storms.
We
need
to
work
together
as
a
community,
not
as
individuals
or
pockets,
to
identify
and
mitigate
some
of
these
vulnerabilities
or
at
a
minimum.
We
need
to
be
able
to
keep
our
people
safe
and
then
be
able
to
quickly
recover
and
return
to
normal
operations,
but
I
firmly
believe
we
can't
do
this
in
a
vacuum.
T
We
live
in
the
community
of
Boulder,
and
so
we
all
need
to
work
together.
To
achieve
this
goals,
we
need
to
establish,
nurture
and
expand
research,
innovation,
partnerships
and
collaboration.
So
the
crown
jewel
project
that
I
want
to
talk
about
with
funding
from
from
do
eath
that
was
provided
by
the
city
of
Boulder
working
with
Jonathan
and
Brett.
T
We
are
creating
the
process
of
creating
what
we
call
our
living
sustainability
laboratory
on
East
Campus,
where
we
plant
create
a
micro
grid
within
our
existing
micro
grid,
where
we
can
test
integration
of
renewable
energy
and
other
clean
energy
technologies.
Electric
vehicles
we've
already
installed:
seven
electric
charging
stations
we're
in
the
process
of
applying
for
a
grant
for
24
more
on
campus,
and
it's
not
just
the
technologies,
we're
also
working
on
what
are
the
policy
implications?
T
The
privacy
implications
appropriations
fund
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
issues
that
need
to
be
resolved
as
we
start
scaling
electric
vehicles-
it's
not
just,
let's
just
put
it
there
and
and
it'll
happen,
but
we
have
the
bandwidth
in
the
smarts
to
actually
help
address
some
of
these
issues
and
discussions,
vehicle-to-grid
I
think
it's
another
great
opportunity:
energy,
storage,
electrification
of
our
transportation
fleet.
These
are
just
some
of
the
things
that
we're
talking
about
right
now
and
we're
just
getting
started.
T
We're
also
I'm
also
extremely
excited
to
be
working
with
not
only
our
faculty
and
our
staff,
but
our
students
are
intimately
involved
in
this.
You
know
you
may
all
be
aware.
We
have
the
Environmental
Center,
where
we
have
students
that
are
very
active
in
this
space
and
they're
very
passionate
and
excited
about
some
of
the
things
that
are
coming
up
and
I.
Think
some
of
the
things
that
we're
focusing
on
may
be
on
the
facility
side,
because
efficiency
I
think
plays
a
key
role
in
this.
T
Obviously,
with
the
city
of
Boulder,
the
Rockefeller
Foundation
100
resilient
cities,
IBM
Google,
we
have
some
real
powerhouses
here
locally
within
a
stone's
throw
that
are
passionate
about
this,
and
we
should
be
working
with
them
and
we
are
we're
having
discussions,
we're
also
in
the
early
stages
of
a
transportation
master
plan
that
will
provide,
hopefully
enhance
sustainable,
multimodal
transportation
options.
That's
not
based
on
a
POV
that
every
student
brings
and
every
staff
member
and
faculty
brings.
T
We
just
formed
our
transportation
working
group
and
we've
had
two
meetings,
including
one
we've
at
the
city
of
Boulder
as
well
and
NREL,
to
talk
about
what
are
the
opportunities
and
as
we
planned
this
out,
you
know
one
of
the
things
that
we
want
to
integrate
into
our
transportation
master
plan.
I
think
it
aligns
very
well
because
you
guys
are
doing
the
same
thing
on
your
side,
so
we
need
to
coordinate
really
well
on
that
and
transportation
isn't
a
local
issue.
T
We
pursue
sustainability
and
resiliency
efforts
because
they're
right
for
the
University
and
the
world,
for
so
many
reasons
we
work
with
the
city
of
Boulder,
because
together
I
think
we
can
make
a
bigger
difference
and
if
we
work
alone,
especially
some
of
the
regulatory
barriers
and
things
like
that,
you
know
we
need
to
be
aligned,
as
we
do
that.
So
with
that.
I
want
to
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
and
I
really
look
forward
to
working
with
all
of
you
moving
into
the
future.
A
Well,
we
can't
thank
you
enough
for
coming
to
be
a
part
of
this
and
for
the
work
that's
happening.
I
agree
that
I,
don't
think
relationships
will
see.
You've
ever
been
better
and
that's
did
I
say
that
right
anyhow,
things
have
never
been
better
with
you
and
it's
it's
really
exciting.
All
the
things
that
are
going
on
and
I
was
just
thinking
about.
You
know
that
the
city
held
an
autonomous
vehicle
sort
of
the
future
of
mobility
forum
and
how
he
came.
I
hadn't
met
with
her
and
I'm.
Like
you
don't
know
about
it.
A
Oh
you
guys
gotta
come
anyhow
and
we
people
were
talking
about
hey
what
about
a
ton
of
a
shuttle
and
Cu
and
yeah
there's
just
so
many
possibilities,
and
it's
really
great
that
you
guys
are
so
willing
to
meet
us.
I,
don't
know
more
than
halfway,
probably
and
really
looking
forward
to
you
know
the
future
I.
T
That's
definitely
something
that
we
are
looking
at
as
a
policy
we
actually
put
on
holds
a
construction
of
a
new
parking
garage
because
we
want
to
and
also
you
know,
these
plans
that
were
made
10
or
15
years
ago.
You
know
we
need
to
have
one-and-a-half
parking
spaces
for
every
bed,
I
mean,
but
those
are
outdated
with
some
of
the
options
that
are
available
now,
so
we're
doing
a
pause
on
additional
parking,
I'm.
F
So
thank
you,
David
for
your
presentation
and
all
the
mentioning
all
the
numerous
projects
that
are
going
on
between
or
among
the
various
partnerships.
I
wanted
to
mention,
one
that
originated
as
a
partnership
between
the
city
and
and
the
university
which
continues
to
to
be
based
at
the
University,
which
is
that
just
transition
collaborative
is
also
something
that's
going
on
at
the
University,
which
is
really
fantastic.
O
So
we're
gonna
jump
back
into
the
monday
and
powerpoint
and
try
to
wrap
this
up.
So
we
have
time
for
four
questions.
You've
just
heard
a
lot
about
all
the
efforts
that
we
have
across
these
five
areas
and
you're
gonna
hear
from
heather
shortly
on
municipal
ization
and
there's
many
many
other
efforts
that
we
could
pursue
if
we
had
unlimited
timon
resources
and
a
number
of
those
suggestions
have
come
from
the
community.
O
Our
advisory
boards,
past
counsel
and
staff
will
continue
to
seek
feedback
and
suggestions
from
the
community,
but
this
slide
summarizes
some
of
the
efforts
that
have
been
most
commonly
suggested
and
with
the
exception
of
purchasing
recs.
All
of
these
ideas
support
our
climate
and
energy
future
goals.
O
By
giving
current
resources
realistically,
we
can
only
pursue
one
or
two
of
these
additional
strategies
within
our
work
plan
moving
forward
and
given
that
staff
is
prioritizing
the
pursuit
of
cap
tax
alternatives
and
ramping
up
our
efforts
related
to
solar
and
electric
vehicles,
and
all
of
these
additional
strategies
are
explained
in
more
detail
in
the
memo.
So
I
won't
go
into
all
of
them
here,
keeping
in
mind
that
full
implementation
of
our
solar
and
electric
vehicle
strategies
would
require
millions
of
dollars
a
year.
O
We're
prioritizing
ramping
up
those
efforts
in
the
near
term
and
with
regard
to
the
climate
action
plan
tax,
which
taxes
each
kilowatt
hour
of
electricity,
that's
used
in
our
community
there's
two
reasons
why
we're
starting
to
explore
alternatives.
The
first
is
that
revenues
have
been
declining
as
electricity
use
goes
down,
which
is
good.
Electricity
use
is
going
down,
but
fixed
costs
have
increased
over
time,
and
so
this
has
caused
difficult
trade-off.
O
Decisions
to
be
made
related
to
the
budget
like
I,
spoke
about
earlier,
looking
for
alternative
ways
and
private
partnership
opportunities
to
keep
programs
like
Boulder
energy
challenge
going
so.
The
second
reason
is
that
the
cap
tax
doesn't
actually
align
anymore
with
our
objective
of
encouraging
electrification
of
buildings
and
vehicles.
So
we
talked
about
how
we
want
to
incentivize
our
community
to
transition
off
of
natural
gas
and
petroleum
and
onto
electricity,
but
currently
the
only
fuel
that
we
tax
is
electricity,
and
so
there's
just
an
automatic
disincentive
or
misalignment.
O
When
cap
text
was
passed
in
2006,
our
grid,
our
electricity
grid
was
much
much
dirtier
and
it
actually
made
sense
to
tax
electricity
and
natural
reasons.
Why
it's
a
lot
easier
to
tax
electricity
in
this
community,
because
it's
regulated
and
there's
a
single
provider,
but
even
with
all
of
those
barriers,
we
want
to
start
exploring
more
long-term
sustainable
revenue
options
to
fund
these
efforts
moving
forward,
and
so
with
that
we
have
two
more
check-ins
planned
with
council
in
2018
coming
up
around
climate
commitment.
O
We're
also
going
to
present
our
2016
greenhouse
gas
inventory
results
and
dive
into
those
in
a
little
bit
more
detail,
and
we
want
to
have
time
to
have
a
pretty
robust
discussion
around
racks
or
renewable
energy
certificates
and
how
that
relates
to
the
city's
ability
to
reach
our
climate
goals
and
also
our
citywide
policy
for
ownership
of
recs
related
to
our
city
facilities.
We're
gonna
come
back
in
q4
of
2018
for
an
in-depth
review
of
progress
on
all
three
of
the
areas
of
the
climate,
commitment,
energy
resources
and
ecosystems.
O
So
when
the
climate
commitment
was
adopted
in
December
of
2016,
one
of
the
things
that
was
agreed
upon
was
every
two
years.
There
would
be
this
in-depth
review
that
happened
with
council
and
also
the
environmental
advisory
board,
and
so
this
will
be
the
first
of
the
two
year
in-depth
review
sessions
for
late
2018
and
with
that
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Heather
to
talk
about
munis.
A
O
In
terms
of
the
ownership
of
racks
and
therefore,
what
shows
up
in
our
greenhouse
gas
inventory
by
following
international
protocols
for
doing
our
inventory
and
that
actually
impacts
the
savings
that
were
allowed
to
claim
and
take
credit
for,
and
so
it
reopens
the
discussion
of.
How
much
do
we
care
about
racks?
It
impacts
our
ability
to
clean
greenhouse
gas
savings
against
our
main
target,
in
other
words,.
O
And
similarly
as
we're
starting
to
acquire
Alpine,
balsam,
sights
and
new,
sights
in
the
city
and
doing
major
renovations
and
looking
to
make
them
extremely
energy
efficient
and
even
Net
Zero,
we
can't
actually
claim
that
the
Brunton
building,
for
instance,
is
Net
Zero.
If
we
sell
the
Rex,
we
can't
legally
make
that
statement,
and
so
I
think
things
have
progressed
the
city's
doing
much
more
aggressive
things
with
our
city
owned
facilities.
O
Now
that
we
want
to
revisit
that
conversation
and
the
rec
prices
have
gone
down
a
lot
now
too,
and
so
it's
it
used
to
be
that
the
solar
project
simply
couldn't
pan
out
financially.
If
you
didn't,
sell
the
recs
and
that's
not
necessarily
the
case
anymore,
so
we
want
to
revisit
our
overall
policy
on
how
we
treat
rax,
both
within
our
inventory
and
then
also
on
city-owned
facilities.
So.
C
O
A
O
So
this
is
related
to
First
Solar
that
we
own
for
hydropower
that
we
own
do.
We
want
to
retain
the
recs
and
then
even
within
our
greenhouse
gas
inventory,
if
our
local
community
members
own
solar
in
their
roof,
but
they
sell
the
recs,
does
that
show?
Are
we
allowed
to
claim
that
as
solar,
we
allowed
to
claim
that
as
community-wide
emissions
reductions,
so
I
had.
C
O
So
Kim
Rankine
who's
here
is
just
wrapping
up
our
2016
inventory.
We
don't.
We
get
the
community
energy
report
from
Xcel
about
mid
year,
2017
for
2016,
so
she's
just
wrapping
it
up
now
and
we're
looking
to
review
it
with
environmental
advisory
board
will
likely
release
it
as
an
IP
to
Council
in
advance
of
that
study
session
and
then
be
able
to
dive
in
more
deeply
lots
of
per
capita
lots
of
metrics
right
in.
N
Okay,
the
last
part
of
our
presentation,
municipal
ization,
what
an
exciting
time
right,
we're
off
to
our
next
phase
and
I'm,
going
to
talk
about
that.
Let's
start
off
with
thanks.
I
almost
stepped
back
and
talked
about
our
vision
of
the
utility
of
the
future,
and
when
we
started
on
this
journey,
we
started
thinking
about.
As
I
said,
what
what
would
we
do?
N
It's
a
device
with
a
network
that
allows
different
types
of
services
and
the
apps
are
the
services
that
lay
on
top
of
that
platform,
and
we
have
and
private
inventors
innovators
create
all
the
apps
and
place
it
on
the
central
network
and
we
get
to
choose
which
services
make
our
lives
better.
Well,
as
we
start
thinking
about
our
energy
future,
we
start
thinking
well,
really
that's
kind
of
what
we
envision
with
the
electric
system
and
that
the
poles
and
wires
and
the
base
power
supply
are
the
operating
system.
N
But,
as
you've
heard
with
all
of
the
innovative
ideas,
the
partnerships
we
can
look
to
those
in
the
future
to
create
the
services
that
can
make
people's
lives
better
and
as
we
move
into
that
future,
that's
the
type
of
vision
that
we
have
created
for
the
utility
of
the
future.
Now
it's
not
going
to
happen
overnight
because,
as
we
know,
some
of
these
things
take
change,
but
I
think
that
is
a
great
opportunity
to
look
at.
How
can
empower
people
provide
the
unique
services
they
require
and
employ
innovation
to
reach
our
climate
goals?
N
These
are
just
some
examples
of
you
know,
ideas
that
we
got
from
the
community
and
what
they'd
like
to
see
in
their
utility
of
the
future.
One
of
my
favorites
are:
if
I
have
solar
on
my
rooftop
and
I'm,
not
home
all
day,
I
have
all
this
excess
power.
What,
if
I
wanted
to
donate
it
to
my
child's
school?
Wouldn't
it
be
a
cool
opportunity?
We
can't
do
that
today,
things
like
finding
what
is
the
right
rate
that
meets
my
needs
because
I
may
use
electricity
different
from
Kendra
I
have
three
20-somethings
in
my
house.
N
N
N
It's
the
resources
that
the
utility
will
use
to
provide
or
reduce
the
use
of
electricity
and
that's
where
we
incorporate
not
only
power
supply
contracts
for
wind
and
solar,
but
energy
efficiency
programs,
as
we've
heard
about
demand,
side
management,
local
generation.
And
how
do
we
bring
that
together
into
a
strategy
that
gets
us
to
that
hundred
percent?
And
how
do
they
fit
together?
And
so
we
will
be
working
on
that
over
the
next
couple
of
years
and
issuing
an
RFP
s
and
doing
a
lot
of
things
around
formalizing.
N
That
strategy
and
getting
a
clear
idea
of
what
that
path
is
and
last
our
goal
and
we've
had
lots
of
feedback
on
that
and
I
want
to
thank
the
community
for
reminding
us
that
we
need
to
communicate,
communicate,
communicate
and
communicate
and
engage
the
community.
We
had
in
2012
13
14
made
great
working
groups
that
advised
us
and
we're
very
active,
and
we
are
going
to
reignite
those
groups
and
advising
us
how
the
utility
should
look
what
the
utility,
the
future
vision
is,
what
our
resources
should
be.
N
So
there
are
going
to
be
some
great
opportunities
going
forward
near-term,
as
you
probably
have
heard,
we
need
to
finalize
three
agreements
by
order
the
PC
and
there's
a
report
that
is
due
to
the
PC
on
December
13th
and
the
status
of
those
agreements,
and
we
will
be
developing
a
communications
and
outreach
strategy.
Do
you
think
with
help
from
folks
in
our
community,
but
that's
again
a
priority?
The
other
thing
is
that
we
will
be
providing
council
with
regular
updates.
N
How
often
I
don't
know
could
be
quarterly,
it
could
be
semi-annually,
but
it
will
work
with
you
all
to
determine.
What's
what's
your
preference
from
a
task
work
plan?
Of
course,
y'all
know:
we've
got
the
PUC
decision,
we've
got
major
categories
of
work,
the
condemnation
process
and
I
need
to
make
a
correction.
It
actually
won't
start
until
the
first
quarter
of
2018
and
when
I
talk
about
condemnation,
it's
all
the
analysis.
It's
the
valuation
of
the
assets
that
we've
identified
the
negotiation
over
the
the
price
and
it's
the
actual
legal
proceeding.
N
N
We
are
in
the
process
of
preparing
a
loader
interconnection
requests
to
interconnect
as
a
wholesale
customer
on
the
Excel
transmission
system,
and
so
that's
a
pretty
detailed
engineering
process
that,
along
with
the
separation
engineering
that
we
committed
to
do,
will
form
the
basis
on
which
we
will
need
to
go
out
for
bids
and
once
all
that
engineering
is
complete
and
we
have
an
engineered
plan
that
Excel
is
is
happy
with
them.
We're
happy
with.
We
will
go
out
for
bids
and
that
will
determine
the
separation
cost
right
now.
N
We've
estimated
that
to
be
one
hundred
and
ten
million,
but
we
want
to
have
some
certainty
about
what
that's
going
to
look
like.
I've
already
talked
about
the
power
supply
and
resource
strategy
and
how
we're
going
to
bring
those
together
the
transition
plan.
The
transition
plan
is
the
work
that
we
do
to
stand
up
the
utility
and
that
I've
committed
in
the
past
to
council
nuts.
Just
not
spending
significant
amount
of
money
on
this,
such
as
we're
not
going
to
be
hiring
people
or
investing
in
infrastructure.
N
But
there's
a
lot
of
work
like
what
are
going
to
be
our
standards
for
safety.
What
are
going
to
be
our
guidelines
on
tree
trimming?
What
our
engineering
standards
customer
service
policies
there
are
a
whole
host
of
things.
What
is
our
staffing
plan?
Look
like?
How
are
we
going
to
incorporate
outsourcing
versus
in
sourcing?
How
do
we
set
up
all
the
different
systems?
N
We
will
come
to
council
with
our
information
and
there'll,
be
a
go/no-go
decision.
I
also
just
want
to
mention
that
we'll
post
these
slides
on
the
website,
if
you
click
on
transition
plan,
you'll
see
our
very
detailed
work
plan
that
we
prepared
some
time
ago
that
has
about
700
different
work,
steps
on
it
if
anyone's
interested
in
delving
into
that.
N
So
with
that,
that's
where
we
are
that's,
where
we're
going,
and
here
are
the
questions
that
we
posed
initially
any
any
other
questions
of
us
and
feedback
is
definitely
welcome.
Oh
I,
do
want
to
say
one
thing
before
we
go
on.
I
want
to
also
want
to
thank
everybody
back
here.
We
simplified
in
about
an
hour
and
15
minutes
a
whole
lot
of
work.
N
The
work,
that's
we
I'm
talking
about
all
of
these
people
do
the
real
work
and
I'm
just
very
fortunate
to
it
to
be
part
of
that,
so
I
do
want
to
give
them
and
the
community
a
lot
of
credit.
We,
as
I've
said
before
in
other
meetings.
We
get
a
lot
of
free
consulting
from
some
of
the
smartest
minds
in
this
country
because
they
live
in
Boulder
and
it's
no
joke.
N
A
M
Couple
of
questions,
probably
for
you,
Tom
drilling
a
little
bit
more
or
helped
me
understand
what
remains
I
understand
that
we've
got
these
agreements
to
work
out
with
with
Excel,
and
we
got
a
report
due
to
the
PUC
December
13th
I
get
that
part
of
it.
What
happens
next
or
what
final
things
final,
maybe
is
not
the
right
word.
M
U
Deb's
here
and
she
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
I,
don't
think
the
PUC
has
to
do
anything
more.
That's
our
position.
They
told
us
to
go
to
two
there.
They
tentatively
approved
the
transfer
of
the
assets
outside
the
substations
and
said
to
go
through
the
network
integration
system
to
design
the
substations.
U
My
impression
was,
they
didn't
want
to
see
us
again.
My
hope
is
that
we
can
get
the
the
condemnation
filed,
but
sometime
next
year
or
earlier,
rather
than
later,
it's
going
to
take
9
to
18
months
and
so
we're
pressing
it.
If
we
don't
get
it
filed
soon,
we
have
to
get
through
the
network
integration
process
and
figure
out
what
what
we're
taking
in
the
substations
before
we
can
file
condemnation.
So
that's
the
little
correction
heather
made
there
so
I
don't
have
a
firm
date.
U
G
I
had
a
couple
of
questions,
I
think
we're
coming
I
think
you
you're
commented
about
innovation
and
moving
forward
on
innovation
in
our
community.
We
have
all
of
these
high-tech,
innovative
type
people
and
so
I
think
it's
even
though,
maybe
some
of
them
didn't
support
these
efforts.
I
think
we
want
to
engage
them
seriously,
get
them
engaged
and
make
them
part
of
this
decision.
G
They
have
the
brains,
they
have
the
experience,
they
should
be
involved,
and
so
we
we
need
to
reach
out
to
the
people
who
may
not
have
won
at
this,
but
have
a
very
bright
mind
and
are
very
innovative
and
are
in
cutting-edge
technology.
So
I'd
like
to
see
that
my
second
question
has
to
do-
and
it's
not
really
in
here,
but
one
of
the
things
that
really
is
irritating
to
me
is
that
we
we
are.
G
Despite
the
fact
that
we
paid
the
same
is
that
they
underground
and
we
are
not
getting
that
benefit
and
I'm
wondering
what
we
could
do
to
be
much
more
aggressive
and
maybe
starting
with
a
talk
to
Excel
and
then,
if
they
can't
come
to
some
reason,
I
don't
know
proceed
farther
because
we're
we're
not
getting
what
we
should
be
getting
with
the
rates
that
we're
paying
and
we
should
be
getting
some
benefit
of
undergrounding
or
something.
So
that's
a
question
for
time.
Okay,.
U
I
can
answer.
The
excels
position
is
that
the
undergrounding
fund
is
a
benefit,
a
contractual
benefit
that
that
flows
from
the
franchise.
One
of
the
things
that's
never
discussed
is
folks
who
do
not
have
a
franchise
like
the
people
who
live
in
Boulder,
County
outside
of
the
city
also
never
got
the
benefit
of
the
undergrounding
fund.
We
have
repeatedly
asserted
that
we
have
a
right
to
that.
They
have
disagreed.
U
Our
current
view
is
that
we
have
enough
litigation
going
with
excel
that
we
don't
want
to
litigate
over
this
just
now,
but
it's
something
that
we
are
aware
of
and
will
and
have
always
pushed
with
them.
We
have
not
gotten
anywhere.
It's
a
lot
of
money
is
I.
Think
it's
about
a
million
dollars
a
year
in
terms
of
the
total
cost
that
we're
talking
it's
relatively
small,
so
we're
working
for
much
bigger
figures.
G
I
just
thought:
I'd
bring
it
up,
but
thank
you
it
is.
It
is
something
that
is
irritating
and
I
appreciate
you
continuing
to
bring
it
up,
but
we
should
always
continue
to
bring
it
up
and
I
understand
the
scale
of
priorities
and
then
my
last
thing
I'm
trying
to
find
my
packet,
but
it
had
to
do
with
communication
and
keeping
the
community
more
engaged
and
and
up
to
speed
with
where
we
are
in
our
progress
and
I.
G
G
It's
not
based
on
fact,
and
everything
we're
doing
here
is
based
on
fact
and
aspirations,
but
so
I
just
want
to
make
that
last
pitch
with
respect
to
communication,
engaging
the
community
very
robustly
and
keeping
people
up
to
speed
and
I
think
pictures
do
a
lot
and
the
more
graphics
you
can
include
the
better
for
the
public
to
understand.
What's
going
on,
okay,
Tom.
U
So
Heather
and
her
team
worked
very
hard
and
I
think
I
frustrated
them
a
lot
by
saying
no
a
lot,
two
things
that
they
wanted
to
do
to
outreach
to
the
community,
because
I
was
afraid
of
the
effect
it
would
have
on
the
commissioners
we're
out
from
under
that
now
and
so
I
know.
Her
team
is
working
really
hard
on
engaging
with
the
community
and
thinking
about
how
we're
going
to
do
that.
U
So
we
all
discussed
ways
that
we
can
get
into
that
kind
of
forum
where
we
can
just
have
a
conversation
with
the
community
and
provide
answers
because,
as
you
as
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
false
information
out
there.
We
hear
it
all
the
time
we
tend
to
be
noses
down,
get
the
work
done,
I
mean
certainly
the
people
in
my
office
that's
kind
of
what
we
do
and
lawyers
you
know
like
to
keep
secrets,
because
that's
our
job,
so
that
is
going
to
change
and
to
the
extent
that
it's
it
is
my
fault.
U
U
A
Some
other
people,
myself
included
absolutely
I,
just
wanted
to
echo
I'm
glad
to
hear
you
say:
communicate,
communicate,
communicate,
I'm
glad
you
take
responsibility
for
shouldn't,
say
that
for
explaining
why
there
hasn't
been
enough,
I
think
that
that
would
be
very
well
received.
I,
don't
know
how
many
people
have
said.
We
need
to
explain
more
and
absent.
A
No,
a
lot
of
plenty
of
engaged
people
in
town
who
are
still
a
little
baffled
because
it
wasn't
really
clear
so
on
that
I
did
have
a
question
which
is
you
mentioned
the
working
group
so
which
I
thought
were
very
valuable
mechanism
and
a
lot
of
free,
wonderful,
labor.
You
said
re-engage.
Can
you
be
more
specific
like?
Is
there
a
plan
or
when
that's
going
to
happen.
N
Now,
as
we
are
laying
out
I
mean,
we've
got
a
solar
working
group.
Currently
that's
working
with
us
on
the
solar
strategy
and
we've
had
a
resource
group
that
we've
tapped
into
off
and
on
so
that
group
will
we'll
bring
that
together.
We've
we're
looking
at
again
the
vision
of
that
utility.
The
future
I
think
getting
impact.
Getting
input
can
impact.
How
that
we
move
forward
with
that,
as
well
as
the
types
of
services
we've
been
talking
about.
N
I
know,
Kendra
is
looking
at
getting
some
public
engagement
on
their
work
plan,
so
we're
gonna
try
to
to
coordinate
those
and
tie
it
all
together.
There'll
be
things.
There
are
a
lot
of
folks
that
are
very
technical
in
this
community
and
so
some
of
the
technical
areas.
As
we
look
at
how
we
configure
the
way
we
do
things
from
a
technical
research.
Reliability
was
a
big
working
group.
A
I
think
it
would
be
useful
to,
as
that
gets
flushed
out
and
and
related
to
that.
I
know
that
we
have
a
dashboard
I
think
it
would
be
really
useful.
The
graphic
that
you
showed
earlier
that
showed
progress
on
goals,
I
think
that
I
think
that's
the
first
time,
I've
seen
that,
like
that
and
I,
think
that
that
is
very
useful
and
somebody
else
emailed
us
about.
A
You
know
progress
towards
the
solar
goal,
progress
and
oh
by
the
way
you
want
to
be
a
part
of
this
click
here-
that
sort
of
ability
for
folks
to
tap
into
how
we
doing
and
how
do
I
fit
in
as
an
individual
to
helping
us
reach
the
goal.
I
think
it's
part
of
helping
people
relate
to
our
energy
feature,
because
this
is
all
very
exciting
stuff.
Okay,
I
have
Marian
and
Sam
in
Cuba,
so.
F
My
question
was
along
the
lines
of
what
you
just
asked:
Suzanne
and
in
reading
through
Lesley
gloom
streams,
email
that
she
sent
out
this
afternoon
about
creating
a
communications
working
group
I.
Think
that's
a
fantastic
idea,
and
there
are
some
pretty
amazing
communications
specialists
within
the
community
who,
like
the
statistics,
people
like
to
figure
out
how
to
communicate
things
so
I
think
we
can
leverage
those
kinds
of
minds
in
the
community
as
well,
so
as
well
mediums
within
the
community
that
are
out
there.
F
You
know
KD,
and
you,
and
just
this
afternoon,
I
learned
about
a
new
podcast
that
a
Fairview
High
School
is
putting
out
regularly.
So
there's
you
know
to
tap
into
those
various
mediums
in
the
community
that
span
the
entire
community
and
not
just
you
know
those
that
are
very
much
interested
in
this
particular
topic.
So
thank
you
for
everything
sure.
N
N
H
This
is
very
helpful.
Things
of
this
type
are
very,
very
useful
handouts
and
leave-behinds
that
have
simple
graphics
on
them.
I
agree
with
saying
that
that
you
know
progress
towards
goals
slide
is
really
important.
That's
super
helpful
and,
to
the
extent
that
you
can
amplify
that
fantastic
if
tom
is
right
and
we're
out
from
under
the
lawyers
from
cone
of
silence,
we
really
need
to
take
this
opportunity
to
engage
our
community.
H
I
really
believe
that
there's
a
few
things
about
the
way
that
we
think
inside
the
city
that
it
just
doesn't
sound
right
to
other
people
like
the
term
municipal
ization,
for
instance,
one
of
the
things
Mary
and
I
came
up
with
when
we
were
doing
a
bunch
of
meetings
with
neighborhoods.
Was
community
power
works
really
well
for
people
to
understand
what
the
goal
is
that
we're
trying
to
get
to
here.
H
So
as
you
go
through
that
working
group
for
communications,
be
thinking
about
branding,
be
thinking
about
communication
and
how
we
can
make
this
as
accessible
as
possible
to
the
people
who
aren't
policy
monks,
so
that
would
be
one
focus.
I
think
another
thing
that
I
felt
on
the
campaign
trail
this
year
was
Mary
and
I
did
a
few
meetings
with
like
20
to
25
people.
H
H
This
is
people,
don't
understand
the
regulatory
impediments
and
that's
where
a
longer
conversation
can
be
helpful
and
the
other
thing
that
I
felt
from
this
campaign
cycle
is
that
there's
huge
leverage
there
might
be
20
people
there
at
a
meeting,
but
they
all
go
talk
to
other
people,
and
so
it's
not
just
the
20
folks
at
the
meeting
or
at
the
30
folks
at
the
meeting.
It's
all
the
people
that
they
explained
what
they
learned.
H
H
Yeah
they're
neighborhood
groups,
largely
the
other
thing
I
will
say,
is
you
know
to
the
extent
that
we're
gonna
be
moving
more
through
the
puc
process
and
in
the
condemnation,
the
more
that
we
can
update
the
community
about?
What's
happened
there
because
one
of
the
things
I
heard
over
and
over
again
was
we
feel,
like
we've,
completely
lost
track
of
what's
going
on
with
the
Muny
process,
so
to
the
extent
that
it
doesn't
put
us
in
legal
jeopardy,
I
really
do
think
that
that
being
is
open
about
the
legal
processes.
H
The
busey
remainder,
the
condemnation
and
the
FERC
will
be
really
important
to
people
as
far
as
what
they
want.
I'm
gonna,
come
back
to
what
Lisa
said.
I
know
that
it's
not
the
most
important
thing
we
can
be
thinking
about,
but
we're
being
completely
ripped
off
on
our
undergrounding
fee
I
mean
the
way
that
money
is
held
at
by
the
by
Excel.
There's
no
rational
relationship
with
the
franchise
agreement.
I
mean
with
an
urban
environment.
H
K
Just
like
to
add
one
more
piece
on
the
communication
piece
I
think
Leslie's
questrom
letter
was
very
good
in
nudging,
us
in
I
thought
it
was
addressed
to
all
the
council,
but
she
also
mentioned
budget
costs,
which
was
something
that
came
up
a
lot
during
the
campaign:
people
not
knowing
what
they
were
getting
for
the
money.
That
was
that
they
were
paying
into
the
kitty
for
so
I
think
anything
helping
along
those
lines
would
be
helpful
as
well.
I.
A
Okay,
are
we
good?
This
has
been
wonderful
and
I
guess
a
bit
overdue,
with
all
the
reasons
we
couldn't
do
it
sooner.
So
that's
great
thank.
A
N
A
H
It's
about
40
electeds
from
around
the
country
under
two
is
the
commitment
to
trying
to
cut
carbon
fast
enough
to
keep
the
temperature
rise
under
two
degrees,
Celsius
that
we
would
experience,
and
so
this
under
two
coalition
for
my
notes
here
it
has
about
forty
percent
of
the
global
economy-
has
already
signed
on
to
this.
So
the
population
of
the
cities
that
have
signed
on
to
this
represent
almost
half
of
the
global
population
already,
so
the
thing
I
want
to
communicate
back
to
the
people
of
Boulder
and
to
you
guys
is.
H
This
is
part
of
a
much
bigger
movement.
So
it
is
not
just
us
out
here
on
the
front
lines
doing
this.
These
forty
people
were
talking
about
what
each
of
their
communities
were
doing.
Jerry
Brown
was
there
and
gave
quite
a
hell
of
a
speech
at
the
under
two
meeting
and
then
the
next
day
at
the
cop
23
meeting,
he
gave
an
even
stronger
speech.
There
were
about
300
leaders
at
the
cop
23
meeting,
and
so
it
started
with
Jerry
Brown
giving
a
speech
early.
H
Then
we
had
a
whole
bunch
of
people
come
through
who
represented
different
organizations
at
the
sub
regional
level.
Scotland
was
there
as
this.
You
know
Scottish
government
and
they
have
a
really
advanced
just
transition
program.
That's
going
on.
They
have
85
million
euros
that
they're
giving
the
local
communities
for
climate
action
from
the
central
government
they're
creating
things
in
their
cities
called
low
emissions
zones
that
will
only
be
able
to
have
say,
electric
cars
and
electric
vehicles
go
in
them
and
yeah.
H
They
say
in
some
cities:
they're
gonna,
ban,
petrol
and
diesel
by
2032
in
Scotland,
Copenhagen
commits
to
being
carbon
neutral.
By
get
this
2025
Stockholm
has
to
in
the
same
pledge
by
2040.
Amsterdam
is
doing
a
similar
thing.
They
have
what's
called
a
circular
economy
program
where
they're
really
trying
to
go
through
carbon
emissions
reduction,
but
really
focus
on
local
food
and
local
economies.
H
Germany
has
an
initiative.
That's
across
the
whole
country,
about
the
transformative
urban
mobility
initiative.
There's
a
group
of
islands
that
are
getting
together.
The
global
island
partnership
they're
focused,
of
course,
on
resilience
on
how
they're
going
to
respond
to
this.
Interestingly,
this
cop
23
was
presided
over
by
the
prime
minister
of
Fiji,
so
Fiji
it
was
called
the
bulla
conference,
which
is
a
way
of
greeting
in
fission,
and
so
that
was
really
interesting
and
I
have
to
say
that
was
even
more
inspiring
and
I
want
to
bring
back.
H
So
from
there,
I
went
to
Barcelona
for
the
smart
cities,
World
Expo,
sorry
Expo
and
world
conference,
and
you
know
we
heard
a
lot
more
about
people
and
cities
trying
to
do
carbon
emissions
reduction
and
what
they
focus
on
at
the
smart
cities
conference
is
giving
cities
networks
and
one
of
the
things
I
definitely
took
away
from
this
is
that
you
know
the
exchange
of
ideas
between
cities
can
be
very
productive.
We're
not
going
to
invent
everything
here
in
Boulder,
so
they
give
some
examples
of
this.
H
Portland
has
a
new
green
bond
program
and
they
copied
that
from
your
haniss
berg,
and
so
you
know
they
gave
some
other
another
thing
that
they
emphasized
was
that
50%
of
city
emissions
reductions
are
going
to
have
to
come
from
businesses,
so
businesses
are
going
to
have
to
be
actively
involved.
If
this
is
going
to
be
successful
and
other
you
know,
this
is
a
different
conference
now,
but
I'm
hearing
at
this
conference
about
zero
emission
zones
within
cities
as
well-
and
you
know
we
talked
a
little
more
what's
going
on
in
London.
H
London
already
has
congestion
pricing
for
their
transportation
they're,
starting
to
do
toxicity
pricing
on
Diesel's,
so
Diesel's,
which
have
you
know,
they're
older,
that
have
higher
emissions
London's,
actually
making
them
pay
more
for
their
congestion
pricing
fee
for
coming
into
the
city
as
a
dirty
vehicle.
So
there's
a
lot
going
on
I,
don't
want
to
take
up
too
much
time,
but
I
just
want
everyone
to
feel
that
what
I
came
back
with
was.
This
is
a
worldwide
movement
we're
part
of
it.
We
are
I
felt
proud
to
be
able
to
talk
about.
H
You
know
some
of
our
climate
programs
I
gave
two
talks.
I
gave
a
talk
at
the
Japan
Embassy
it
caught
2013,
imc,
Japan
pavilion
at
cop
23,
and
then
I
gave
a
talk
at
at
buildings
forum
that
was
held
at
smart
cities.
So
I
was
able
to
use
the
presentation
that
staff
gave
me
to
be
able
to
give
these
talks
so
anyway,
it
was
a
great
trip.
I
want
to
thank
the
city
for
letting
me
do
it
and
I
want
to
say
it
was
fantastic.
H
Lots
of
pictures
from
Barcelona
that,
interestingly,
there's
a
corner
that
has
the
Gaudi
house
on
it,
which
is
an
apartment
building
that
Gaudi
did
and
then
there's
four
other
corners,
four
parts
to
that
corner
right
and
so
you've
got
an
older
building
there.
That
was
really
cool.
You
have
a
modern
building
which
has
done
a
nice
job
of
respecting
the
older
building
style
there
and
then
on
one
corner.
You've
got
just
this
terrible
ugly,
skyscraper
thing
so
I
thought
on
one
corner:
you
could
get
all
these
different
urban
form,
realizations
kind
of
cool.