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B
And
channel
8
is
ready
to
go
so
let's
go
ahead
and
get
this
started
good
evening.
Everyone
and
welcome
to
tonight's
study
session
of
the
Boulder
City
Council
I
am
council
member
Nicole
Speer,
and
thank
you
for
joining
us
mayor.
Aaron
Brockett
is
out
tonight
due
to
a
family
emergency
and
mayor
Pro,
tem
walek
will
be
leaving
at
8
pm.
B
We
have
on
tonight's
agenda
three
items.
Our
first
item
will
be
providing
an
airport
Community
conversation
update.
Next,
we
will
have
a
discussion
on
the
membership
application
to
the
Rocky
Mountain
Airport
airport,
noise,
Roundtable,
and
our
last
item
is
a
presentation
on
community
broadband.
We
will
start
this
meeting
with
tonight's
announcement.
B
I
feel
like
this
should
come
with
a
song
and
dance
as
well,
but
2023
board
and
commission's
recruitment
is
now
open.
If
you
are
looking
for
an
opportunity
to
get
involved,
the
recruitment
period
is
now
open
from
December
19th
through
January
30th
the
end
of
this
month.
You
can
find
board
and
commission
descriptions
and
vacancies
online
at
bouldercolorado.gov
boards
Dash
commissions.
If
you
have
any
questions
or
need
assistance,
please
contact
the
city
clerk's
office
at
cityclerk's
office
at
bouldercolorado.gov,
or
call
303-441-4222.
B
Thank
you
before
we
get
into
our
work
items.
I
would
like
to
outline
how
the
meeting
will
be
conducted.
We
will
first
review
staff's
presentation
for
each
of
the
items
and
then,
following
the
presentation
for
each
item,
we
will
have
a
time
for
questions
at
the
end
of
the
presentation,
we'll
conduct
our
Council
discussion
with
staff.
If
you
have
any
questions
for
staff
along
the
way,
please
wait
for
stop
to
complete
their
presentation.
B
The
one
caveat
that
I
will
offer
there
is
when
we
get
to
our
conversation
about
Broadband
I
was
given
permission
that
if
we
have
questions
about
technical
terms,
if
there
is
jargon
or
something
that
we're
not
understanding,
we
may
ask
questions
about
those
terms,
but
please
wait
for
more
substantive
questions.
Until
the
end
of
the
conversation.
C
Thanks
so
much
council,
member
and
I
I
will
just
say
that
the
topic
of
the
airport
has
been
one
that
has
been
around
for
a
while
and
super
excited
to
be
talking
about
it,
but
just
wanted
to
note
and
I'll
send
it
to
our
interim
transportation
and
Mobility
director
Natalie
Stiffler
in
just
a
moment,
but
wanted
to
lift
up
John
the
work
that
you've
been
doing
with
the
airport.
C
I
know
you've
done
a
lot
of
conversations
and
had
a
lot
of
great
talks
with
the
folks
in
the
airport
and
folks
in
community,
and
just
you
know
not
all
of
that
goes
is
seen
in
the
public
and
just
wanted
to
thank
you
for
all
the
work
you've
been
doing
in
that
regard.
So
with
that
I'll
toss
it
to
Natalie.
First.
D
Thanks
Maria
good
evening,
Council
I'm,
Natalie
Stiffler,
the
interim
director
of
transportation
and
mobility
and
I'm
joined
Here
Tonight
by
John
Kinney,
the
airport
manager,
Allison
Moore,
Farrell
she's,
the
project
manager
and
Amelia
Andrews
from
Kimberly
horn
with
the
consultant
team.
That's
helping
us
with
this
work
I
wanted
to
take
a
few
minutes
tonight
to
address
a
couple
points
that
are
important
to
highlight
as
we
move
forward
with
this
process.
D
D
The
city
will
work
with
the
community
to
reassess
the
potential
for
developing
a
portion
of
the
airport
for
housing
and
neighborhood
serving
uses
staff's
perspective
on
this
request,
and
the
comprehensive
plan
was
that
we
take
a
step
back
to
hear
from
the
community
broadly,
including
on
and
off
airport
voices
to
understand,
Council
and
the
community's
desired
future
for
the
airport.
Having
this
understanding
prepares
us
to
begin
the
FAA
master
plan
in
late
2023,
the
FAA
master
plan
is
a
federally
prescribed
process
that
requires
us
to
plan
for
various
levels
of
capital.
D
Investment
in
the
airport
staff
wants
to
go
into
the
FAA
Master
planning
process,
with
a
strong
understanding
of
city
council
and
the
community's
desired
future
for
the
airport,
and
this
community
conversation
project
will
allow
us
to
do
so.
This
is
not
a
process
to
respond
to
individual
requests
for
repurposing
the
airport
or
to
noise
complaints.
Prior
to
this
evening,
we
heard
strongly
from
some
airport
tenants.
Their
concern
was
some
of
the
content
that
you
will
hear
tonight
and
that
was
also
shared
in
the
memo.
D
I
want
to
clearly
state
that
the
snapshot
of
feedback
that
was
provided
in
your
memo
and
that
you'll
hear
tonight
is
just
that
only
a
snapshot
for
various
reasons
that
Amelia
May
elaborate
on.
We
ended
up
only
conducting
a
small
number
of
interviews
with
off-airport
stakeholders,
as
we
prepared
for
this
item
tonight,
so
you're
only
seeing
feedback
from
a
small
number
of
interviews.
There
is
much
much
more
work
to
come.
D
We
fully
expect
that
there
will
be
varying
voices
and
feedback
from
on-airport
stakeholders
about
the
desired
future
of
the
airport
that
you
are
not
seeing
represented
in
the
comments
tonight.
For
example,
we
haven't
had
a
chance
to
conduct
interviews
with
the
business
Community
we've
engaged
with
John
tare
and
he
will
be
helping
us
facilitate
those
conversations
in
the
near
future.
E
Sorry
Natalie
thank
you
and
good
evening
to
the
members
of
the
city
council,
as
Natalie
described
the
community
conversation
as
a
preamble
to
the
airport
master
plan,
which
we've
accelerated
from
2025
up
to
2023,
and
it's
an
update
to
the
last
master
plan
that
was
conducted
in
2006
and
is
an
IOU
to
the
FAA.
E
The
master
plan's
design
and
format
will
not
answer
all
the
questions
of
the
boulder
comprehensive
studies
ious
to
the
community,
nor
do
airport
Master
plans
in
general,
Define
the
character
of
an
airport
complementary
to
its
Community.
It's
simply
outside
of
the
scope
of
an
airport,
Master
plans,
design
and,
conversely,
the
community
conversation
study
will
not
address
all
the
questions
and
issues
of
the
stakeholders
from
on
or
off
the
airport.
A
E
I
apologize,
slow
connectivity
or
something
so.
Conversely,
the
community
conversation
will
not
answer
the
all
the
questions
as
well,
but
collectively
the
two
studies,
along
with
a
future
strategic
implementation
plan,
which
mirrors
an
industry
approach
to
how
you
operate,
develop
of
an
airport
through
Community,
Partnerships
and
consistent
with
City
vision's
goals
will
and
that
Collective
process
begins
in
Earnest
tonight.
E
With
our
presentation
to
you,
the
exciting
news
is
that
the
last
time
that
this
time
last
year
last
year,
the
airport,
stakeholders
and
community
members
were
passionately
at
odds,
it
was
simply
cat
dog
data
was
absent
from
any
discussion.
Emotions
ruled
today
solid
operational
and
noise.
Compliant
data
now
exists.
It
is
beginning
to
drive
discussions
and
efforts
to
identify
problems,
causes
and
solutions.
This
information
is
shared
widely
with
tenants.
Issues
are
quickly
becoming
identified
by
the
tenants
and
solutions
are
just
beginning
to
enter
the
brainstorming
phase
of
an
emerging
group
of
tenants.
E
This
was
espoused
at
yesterday's
tenant
meeting
by
a
pace.
Setting
group
I
believe
this
is
progress.
I
thanked
him
yesterday,
I
thank
him
again
today.
This
I
think
is
going
in
the
right
direction,
also
serving
as
a
preamble
to
the
community
conversation
staff,
invited
12
thought
leaders
from
the
airport
tenant
group
to
join
a
technical
noise
committee
and
that
took
place
in
November.
We
challenged
them
with
reviewing
the
data
and
identifying
how
to
best
Fly
Quiet
over
the
city
of
Boulder,
while
preserving
their
air
safety,
enhancing
community
relations
and
retaining
the
success
of
existing
businesses.
E
After
three
meetings
of
reviewing
this
new
data,
which
is
now
about
six
months
in
its
duration,
they
came
back
and
said:
This
is
complicated,
but
the
exciting
part
is
their
narrative
towards
community
relations,
started
to
change
and
I.
Think
momentum
is
building
by
the
tenants
to
embrace
a
goal
of
creating
long-term
relations.
The
data
brought
clarity.
E
Noise
issues
at
airports
are
not
solved,
they're
simply
managed.
It
is
not
an
issue
that
has
a
destination,
but
so
long
as
you
can
get
both
sides
of
the
coin,
to
the
table
off
your
port
and
on
airport,
with
attitudes
of
I
won't
understand,
but
I
also
want
to
be
understood
by
both
sides.
That
is
the
secret
sauce.
E
We're
simply
at
step
two
of
20
with
more
interviews
to
take
place,
as
Natalie
said
that
you
then
received
the
full
360
degree
picture
I'd
like
to
introduce
to
the
Boulder
City
Council.
Now
Amelia
Anderson,
with
the
National
Aviation
planning,
consulting
firm
of
Kimberly
horn
Amalia
will
walk
the
council
through
the
specific
engagement
effort,
Amelia
Anderson
and
listen.
Natalie
I
put
it
back
to
you,
no
I.
We
send
it
over
to
Amelia.
F
G
F
You
all
right
good
evening
Council.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
be
here
with
you
this
evening.
My
name
is
Amelia
Andrews
with
Kimberly
horn
and
I.
Am
the
project
manager
for
the
boulder
Airport
Community
conversation
project
joining
me
this
evening
is
Olivia
Perez
part
of
our
community
engagement,
team
and
Andrew
Scanlon,
our
Aviation
technical
expert.
F
F
The
city
owns
the
airport
in
partnership
with
the
FAA,
the
Federal
Aviation
Administration
BDU
is
a
general
aviation
airport
that
offers
business,
private,
recreational
and
emergency
response
and
Recovery
Services
to
the
City
and
surrounding
communities.
It
has
two
published
runways
and
supports
training
flight
schools
and
also
has
heavy
glider
operations.
F
F
Let's
review
the
community
conversation
strategy
in
more
detail
again.
This
effort
is
intended
to
provide
a
process
to
hear
from
both
on
and
off
airport
stakeholders
and
the
broader
Community
about
their
desire
for
the
future
of
the
airport,
keeping
in
mind
the
goals
of
the
project,
we
will
conduct
Community
conversations
with
stakeholders,
we'll
listen
to
understand
the
impacts
on
surrounding
communities
and
the
desires
for
future
operations
of
the
airport.
F
The
community
conversations
effort
will
kick
off
with
one-on-one
stakeholder
interviews.
This
portion
of
the
project
will
allow
participants
an
opportunity
to
discuss
topics
of
primary
interest
and
concern
to
them.
We
received
participant
recommendations
for
these
one-on-one
interviews
from
airport
and
City
staff
during
the
meetings
held
so
far,
which
is
just
a
handful,
as
previously
mentioned,
with
several
more
scheduled,
we've
asked
participants
if
they
had
additional
recommendation
for
other
participants,
keeping
in
mind
an
equitable
approach.
City
staff
has
recommended
names
of
potential
participants
to
include
traditionally
underserved
communities.
F
F
We
have
connected
with
only
a
handful
of
people.
To
date
we
are
still
in
the
process
of
collecting
Community
feedback
from
several
other
people.
We
have
prepared
to
meet
with
Council
to
discuss
this
process.
We
have
also
been
working
concurrently
to
get
our
interviewees
to
the
table.
It
is
Our
intention
to
speak
to
both
on
and
off
airport
stakeholders
for
this
effort
and
have
made
progress
in
scheduling
times
with
additional
participants
in
the
coming
weeks.
F
Using
information
gathered
in
the
one-on-one
interviews,
we
will
convene
a
community
working
group
or
cwg,
which
will
consist
of
key
stakeholders.
This
group
is
scheduled
to
meet
in
February,
April
and
May,
or
a
total
of
three
meetings.
The
composition
of
the
cwg
is
expected
to
include
interview
participants
from
the
one-on-ones
airport,
tenants,
Aviation,
community
members
and
underserved
community
members,
we'll
host
three
meetings
to
create
a
discourse
between
all
impacted
groups.
Further
refine
recommendations,
identify
the
alternative
and
optimally
select
a
preferred
alternative
at
this
time.
F
F
F
Using
the
information
gathered
in
the
community
conversations
will
develop
a
range
of
four
Alternatives.
These
Alternatives
will
be
mindful
of
community
feedback,
state
and
local
requirements.
Faa
obligations
and
emergency
support
services
from
this
range
of
Alternatives
will
optimally
select
a
preferred
alternative.
F
Now
that
we've
reviewed
the
goals
and
strategy
of
our
project,
I'll
briefly
go
over
the
schedule
and
next
steps
excuse
me.
Engagement
will
be
ongoing
throughout
the
project.
We'll
also
work
we'll
also
be
working
on
developing
the
Alternatives
throughout
the
project.
As
we
engage
with
all
the
stakeholders
and
the
public,
we
will
optimally
identify
a
preferred
alternative
in
May
or
June,
and
will
prepare
to
present
to
council
with
a
final
report
in
June
for
review,
consideration
and
potential
budgetary
impacts.
F
F
So
our
next
steps
either
really
highlight
the
next
steps.
We
will
continue
our
stakeholder
interviews,
which
I
previously
mentioned,
and
some
have
taken
place
with
several
more
schedules.
We
will
then
convene
our
cwg
meetings,
followed
by
our
public
open
houses
all
while
a
developing
a
range
of
alternatives.
F
B
Can
just
go
ahead
and
call
on
people,
but
thank
you
so
much
for
your
presentation,
I'm
wondering
if
we
could
get
the
slide
down.
Okay,.
B
Much
for
the
presentation
and
Bob
do
you
want
to
go
ahead
with
your
questions.
H
Thanks
Nicole
I
appreciate
that
thanks
thanks
for
being
here
or
virtually,
and
you
and
your
colleagues
I
appreciate
it.
First
I
just
had
a
suggestion
as
you
go
through
this
process
over
the
next
few
months
and
just
on
some
of
the
language
you
might
consider
using
and
then
I
do
have
a
couple
questions
I
noticed
that
both
you
and
and
John
use
the
terms
on
Airport
and
off
airport
stakeholders.
H
My
suggestion
is
avoid
that
distinction
I,
don't
first
of
all
I,
don't
know
what
it
means.
I,
don't
know
if
I'm
in
on
and
off
I
live
I
live
near
the
end
of
the
runway
and
I've
been
up
in
an
airplane
before
I,
don't
know
if
that
makes
me
an
on
Airport
person
or
an
off
airport
person.
So
let's
maybe
not
make
the
distinction.
It
also
kind
of
implies
an
adversarial
relationship
between
the
off
people
and
Beyond
people.
So,
let's
just
maybe
not,
let's
just
we're
all
we're
all
part
of
the
same
community.
H
H
H
A
couple
comments,
a
question,
two
questions,
two
broad
questions
I
saw
in
the
memo
and
then
on
your
slide
presentation
this.
This
concept
of
a
I'm
going
to
use
the
exact
words
preferred
alternative
for
future
of
the
airport.
H
I'm,
not
sure
what
that
means.
That
kind
of
implies
that
there's
something
different
going
to
happen
at
the
airport.
So
when
you
I
heard
the
word
alternative,
it
sounds
like
we
have
something
and
we're
going
to
go
to
something
different.
So
what
is
alternative
to
Preferred
Future
of
the
airport
mean.
I
Sure
and
John
feel
free
to
jump
in
as
well.
Excuse
me
as
we
go
through
this
as
John
articulated
at
the
beginning.
The
master
plan
process
that
will
be
a
subsequent
process
to
this
is
really
prescribed
by
the
fa
and
the
the
process
is
really
focused
on
growth
on
the
airport.
What
this
community
conversation
is
intended
to
do
is
help
understand
what
the
community's
vision
is
for
the
airport.
H
H
So
when
we
say
Alternatives,
we
don't
mean
to
presuppose
that
we're
going
to
do
something
different
at
the
airport.
It
just
is,
we
could
do
something
different
at
the
airport
or
we
could
maintain
the
airport
more
or
less
as
it
is.
Is
that
is
that
my
understanding,
correct,
okay,
good
good,
it
wasn't
very
clear
from
the
matter
and
then
you
did
Amelia
did
you
did
ask
for
us
to
make
some
recommendations?
H
I,
I'm,
a
little
surprised
that
we're
gonna
have
our
first
meeting
of
this
community
working
group,
but
we
haven't
figured
out
how
to
convene
them
who
they
are.
So
you
did
solicit
from
us
input
on
on
on
who
those
might
be
that
you'll
point
in
the
next
couple
weeks.
I
guess
so,
I'll
give
you
a
little
bit
of
a
list.
H
I
have
here
on
my
computer,
I
would
I
would
suggest
the
community
working
group
that
you
convene
here
in
the
next
couple
weeks
include
people
from
Emergency
Services,
which
are
you
which
use
the
airport
pretty
extensively.
Wildfire
flood
rescue
air
ambulance.
You
mentioned
the
business
Community,
particularly
as
organized
by
the
chamber.
I.
Think
that's
great
I
understand
that.
H
There's
some
interest
in
perhaps
I'm
launching
an
air
taxi
business
out
of
our
airport
connecting
to
DIA
and
other
places,
so
that
would
be
certainly
something
to
be
interested
in
hearing
the
scientific
community,
of
course,
has
a
pretty
big
presence
there
at
the
airport
and
they
do
a
lot
of
scientific
research,
around
weather
and
climate
change,
and
emissions
and
I
think
CU
even
has
a
presence
out
there.
So
I
think
having
the
scientific
community
at
the
table
would
be
helpful.
H
We'd
use
the
airport
pretty
significantly
for
printing
commercial
pilot
student
Pilots,
particularly
younger
people,
so
obviously
having
them
at
the
table
and
their
their
flight
instructors
and
understanding
what
their
needs
are,
including
you
know
what
times
a
day
they
need
to
fly,
given
the
fact
that
some
of
them
are
transitioning
from
from
maybe
a
day
job
to
another
profession,
I'd
love
to
hear
from
people,
I,
don't
know
if
these
are
people
at
the
working
group,
but
I'd
love
to
hear
from
people
who
understand
the
future
of
Aviation.
H
Maybe
that's
you
guys
as
experts,
but
I
want
to
hear
a
little
bit
more
about.
You
know
what's
going
to
happen
in
the
next
5
10
15
years.
Is
this
master
plan
enrolls
as
far
as
distribution
of
of
items,
Air
Taxi
I
mentioned?
H
Obviously
there's
a
phase
out
of
leaded
gas,
which
I
think
is
great
I'd
love
to
hear
more
about
what
the
future
of
electric
planes
are
and
I've
even
heard
that
there's
some
interest
in
self-plane
flying
planes
or
automatically
fine
planes
just
as
we're
starting
to
do
with
cars.
And
of
course
we
have
County
residents
who,
even
though
the
airport
is
technically
in
the
city,
we
do
have
a
company
a
lot
of
County
residents
who
rely
on
the
airport
for
those
emergency
services.
H
So
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
include
the
County
residents,
both
those
who
maybe
feel
their
adversely
affected
by
noise
from
the
airport,
but
also
those
who
depend
upon
the
airport
for
their
emergency
services.
So
I
think
if
you,
you
asked
me
or
ask
us
who
we
thought
should
be
at
the
table
and
those
that's
a
partial
list.
I'm
sure
my
colleagues
will
have
other
suggestions.
But
that's
that's
my
input
on
on
who
you
might
want
to
make
sure
to
include
I
would
be
I'll,
say
it
differently
and
maybe
slightly
negatively.
H
B
Thank
you,
Bob
and
I
also
just
got
a
reminder
to
have
folks
introduce
themselves
for
people
who
are
listening
in
the
public
just
so
so
folks
know
who
they
are
and
also
and
I
apologize.
This
was
my
my
misunderstanding.
B
I
was
I
was
thinking
we
were
taking
questions
kind
of
on
the
presentation
itself,
but
there
are
also
three
questions
that
staff
had
posed
to
us
in
the
memo.
So
I
am
going
to
drop
these
three
questions
in
the
chat,
I'll
State
them
out
loud
here
as
well.
Bob
I
think
you
just
you
went
through
them
all
very
concisely.
Thank
you,
but
so
for
folks
who
are
responding.
B
If
you
would
please,
just
if
you
have
any
questions,
you
know
please
get
them
out
of
the
way
and
then
I
would
like
to
focus
on
these
three
questions
which
are:
are
there
any
additional
stakeholder
groups
not
already
identified
that
should
be
included
in
the
process?
Do
we
have
any
additional
feedback
about
the
process
defined
here
for
the
airport
Community
conversation
and
are
there
any
additional
conversations
that
the
project
team
should
be
aware
of
so
Bob
I
think
you
kind
of
hit
hit
on
all
three
questions
that
folks
moving
forward?
B
J
That
helps
doesn't
it.
Thank
you
for
the
presentation
and
thanks
for
bringing
some
of
this
information
forward.
Bob
touched
a
lot
of
where
I
was
going
to
head.
So
I
won't
repeat
that,
but
just
shocked
me
up
for
a
ditto
on
just
about
everything.
Bob
had
said
there
I'll
add
maybe
a
little
color
to
a
couple
pieces.
J
One
in
particular
is
just
I.
I
can't
stress
enough
in
reiterating
where
Bob
was
in
terms
of
I
think
everybody
needs
to
be
at
the
same
table
and
we
need
to
not
be
dividing
into
groups
for
one.
That's
I
think
where
the
best
ideas
are,
and
some
ideas
might
be
given
context
of
other
groups.
Knowledge
and
understanding
will
help
modify
one
particular
group's
ideas,
so
I
think
everybody's
got
to
be
at
the
same
table.
J
It
might
take
a
little
longer
to
synthesize
things,
but
I
think
the
overall
end
product
will
be
well
worth
our
while
and
then
I
want
to
sort
of
also
piggyback
a
little
bit
on
I.
Just
do
not
like
the
word
Alternatives
here,
because
to
me
it's.
It
sets
up
that
we
have
predetermined
outcomes
and
that's
not
really
where
we
are
so
I.
J
Think
talking
about
Airport,
word,
Evolution
or
or
modifications
I
think
is
a
more
palpable
way
to
phrase
things,
because
the
status
quo
could
be
this,
in
which
case
Alternatives
seem
to
rule
that
out
by
the
virtue
of
how
that
word
is
defined
and
used.
So
I
think
we
can
lay
some
of
those
semantics
out
a
little
little
cleaner,
so
everybody
has
a
clear
understanding
of
where
we're
headed
and
where
maybe
we're
not
headed
or
what
is
clearly
unknown
in
the
process.
J
So,
with
regards
to
the
questions
that
sort
of
answers,
it's
a
ditto
on
Bob
on
a
lot
of
that,
especially
those
groups.
If
I
mentioned
feedback
about
the
process
again
bringing
everybody
to
the
table
and
the
last
thing
is
sort
of
additional
considerations.
It's
a
question
that
may
be
related,
maybe
slightly
not
and
and
by.
We
have
some
FAA
related
folks
here
at
least
know
the
process.
But
would
we
go
about
engaging
the
FAA
with
regards
to
some
general
like
safety
concerns
with
not
just
BDU
in
the
surrounding
region?
J
One
thing
in
particular
in
some
of
my
experience
flying
is
there's
not
a
whole
lot
of
coordinated
communication
because
we
don't
have
a
succinct
set
of
towers
between
BDU
and
a
bunch
of
other
Regional
airports
and
so
I'm
wondering
if
there's
ways
in
which
there's
some
greater
communication,
because
I
do
understand
that
for
some
Pilots
that
becomes
somewhat
of
an
issue
in
terms
of
understanding
where
they
need
to
be
in
space
and
certain
other
interactions.
J
So
it
might
be
a
little
separate,
but
it
might
be
part
of
that
larger
Master
planning
conversation
we
have
is
is
how
do
we
evolve,
that
airspace
to
be
a
bit
more
safer
and
and
dealing
with
the
increased
volume
of
traffic
and
use
in
that
area
and
moving
from
What
Might
Have
Been,
originally
more
of
a
rural
airport
to
a
more
you
know,
really
more
Metropolitan,
but
really
a
stronger
municipal
airport
and
some
of
the
amenities
that
sort
of
demand
go
along
with
that.
J
So
that's
maybe
a
future
question,
but
I
just
wanted
to
pose
that,
certainly
to
John
and
and
others
that
are
focused
on
those
pieces
as
well.
So
that's
my
input.
I
appreciate
it.
Thank
you.
K
A
couple
things
first
I
wanted
to
thank
John
for
the
efforts
that
he's
making
to
create
a
better
atmosphere
and
environment
at
the
airport.
It's
obviously
been
the
subject
of
a
lot
of
complaints
and
I.
Think
the
steps
John
is
taking
are
going
to
be
helpful.
I
certainly
hope
they
will
be.
I
would
first
suggest
that
we,
the
term
preferred
alternative,
is
a
little
odd
to
me.
K
Essentially
I
think
it's
our
job
to
select
the
preferred
alternative
and-
and
that
sounds
like
it's
getting
into
the
policy
making
that
we
ought
to
be
doing
and
with
respect
to
the
groups
who
should
be
at
the
table.
I
thought
Bob's
list
was
very
comprehensive,
but
it
was
essentially
comprehensive
with
respect
to
those
people
who
either
operate
at
the
airport,
do
business
at
the
airport
and
have
a
deep,
deep
connection
to
the
airport.
K
I
would
like
to
see
some
people
at
the
table
who
are
neighbors
I'd
like
to
see
some
people
from
Vista
Village
who
are
neighbors
and
have
have
felt
disproportionate
impacts
from
the
airport
and
and
I'd
like
to
see
some
people
who
might
even
consider
an
alternative
use
of
the
airport.
If
you
don't
expand
the
group
at
the
table,
you're
going
to
get
a
fairly
predictable
outcome
and
I
would
like
to
see
a
less
predictable
outcome.
K
One
that
is
is
not
just
put
on
our
plate
and
said
here.
We
we've
talked
to
a
lot
of
people,
and
this
is
what
we've
got
so
I'm
I
would
like
to
see
a
much
more
diverse,
num,
a
set
of
people
who
are
participating
in
this.
K
You
know
whether
it's,
whether
it's
the
Vista
Village
residence
or
people,
who
might
have
a
different
Vision
or
a
different
view
of
the
airport
and
don't
depend
upon
it
for
either
their
Recreation
or
their
business,
because
if
that's
the
only
if
those
are
the
only
people
at
the
table,
you're
not
going
to
get
much
in
the
way
of
diversity
of
thought.
B
L
You
Nicole
thank
you,
so
thank
you.
I
want
to
first
thank
staff
for
the
presentation
and
also
the
memo,
which
was
very
succinct.
Thank
you
very
much
for
that.
I
do
have
a
question
which,
as
I
was
reading
I
didn't
felt
that
was
answered
as
part
of
the
memo.
So
I
was
thinking
again
for
our
community,
especially
when
we
have
fires.
L
My
question:
if
we
were
in
need
of
a
fire
retardant
plane,
I
had
to
Google
that
does
it
land
at
that
airport,
because
I
know
Bob
mentioned
the
emergency
services
that,
as
part
of
the
use
of
the
airport,
so
I
just
wanted
to
know.
If
also
that's
another,
that
would
be
the
airport
that
we
would
be
using.
E
Judy
so
there's
a
variety
of
aircraft
size
in
the
fleet
of
the
U.S
forest
services
and
its
respective
contractors,
the
smallest
of
those
aircraft.
You
can
almost
think
of
it
as
a
crop,
duster
size,
aircraft
and
a
lot
of
times.
It's
used
as
an
advanced
spotter
for
the
larger
aircraft
to
hit
the
target
accurately,
but
they
also
do
drop
retardant.
Those
type
of
aircraft,
as
well
as
rotor
aircraft
of
pretty
much
any
size
and
I
would
think.
E
There's
pushing
probably
half
a
dozen
different
types
of
rotor
aircraft
in
their
Arsenal
Fleet
during
firefighting
could
also
operate
out
of
the
boulder
airport.
So
a
fair
number
rotor
and
a
couple
fixed
Wing,
but
for
the
most
part,
the
fixed
Wing
they're,
just
simply
too
big
for
Boulder,
and
they
would
come
out
of
Rocky
Mountain.
That
has
a
dispensing
mixing
station
already
in
place.
Okay,.
L
Thank
you
for
that
and
I
appreciate
that
so
I
have
a
few
other
questions
as
I
was
reading.
L
Here's
a
question
as
I
was
reading.
You
talked
about
consistent
on
page
number.
Three
you
talked
about
have
Community
engagement,
which
I
appreciate
a
lot.
You
talk
a
lot
throughout
this
really
small
report.
How
much
Community
engagement
that
you
intend
to
have
as
part
of
this
process
and
including
different
groups
of
people
of
neighbors,
the
underserved
underserved
communities,
and
also
you
mentioned
the
racial
Equity
plan,
all
all
things
that
I
believe
are
extremely
important
to
us
as
a
community,
but
my
question
to
you:
I
saw,
as
you
were
talking
about
underrepresented
communities.
L
My
question
was:
what
type
of
questions
are
people
from
these
communities
would
be
asked
and
I
don't
I
want
to
be
careful?
How
I
ask
this
question
because
I'm
not
saying
don't
ask
them
but
I'm
wondering
what
type
of
feedback
would
you
be
looking
for
from
them,
because,
as
I
read
the
document
and
having
been
on
Council
for
about
three
years
and
we've
had
this
conversation
before
on
repurposing
the
airport
for
housing,
for
instance,
and
reading
this
document?
L
F
I'm,
just
sorry
I
was
on
the
wrong
button
there.
So
we
are
trying
to
ask
the
same
series
of
questions
to
everyone
that
we
talked
to
in
the
one-on-one
setting
I
was
just
pulling
up
my
questions
that
I
typically
ask
in
those
meetings,
but
we
ask
people
generally
try
to
understand
what
is
their
connection
with
the
airport.
You
know:
are
they
a
tenant?
Do
they
live
nearby
whatever
it
may
be?
We
that's
helpful
for
us
to
understand
that
context
of
their
involvement.
F
We
also
asked
them
to
think
broadly
about
things
they'd
like
to
see
at
the
airport,
whether
it
be
same
things
that
are
happening
or
change,
and
it
is
a
very
broad
question.
So
we
we
like
to
understand
you
know
if
they
have
concerns
or
if
they
have
ideas,
to
make
changes
and
generally
those
are
the
questions
we're
asking
people
again.
F
Some
of
the
Comfort
we've
only
had
a
few
meetings
with
people
right
so
far
and
the
conversation
are
kind
of
just
people
elaborate
how
they
choose
to
elaborate,
and
we
just
make
sure
that
we're
asking
very
similar
questions
so
we're
getting
that
same
set
of
information
from
everybody.
I'd
be
happy
to
provide
the
list
of
questions
the
council
offline.
If
that
would
be
helpful,
I
don't
know
Allison
did
you
have
anything
to
add.
M
Sure
yeah
Jenny.
Thank
you
so
much
for
asking
that
question
and
and
thanks
Amalia,
we
have
been
reaching
out
to
underserved
folks
in
the
community.
There's
two
mobile
home
communities
near
the
airport,
both
San
Lazaro
and
Vista
Village,
and
we've
actually
been
building
off
some
of
the
work
from
the
East
Boulder
sub
community
plan,
even
though
the
airport
is
not
in
the
East
Boulder
subcommunion
planet
is
adjacent
to
so
in.
In
speaking
with
the
project
manager.
M
From
from
that
project,
we
learned
that
there
were
some
conversations
about
the
airport
and
concerns,
and
you
know,
and
so
we
looked
into
those
comments
and
concerns,
and
so
that
did
provide
some
additional
background
into
some
of
the
underserved
communities
that
that
are
are
directly
impacted
by
the
airport.
So
that
was
important
for
us
to
gather
that
understanding
and
then
and
then
kind
of
learn
more
from
these
interviews
and
continue
on
with
our
engagement
process
from
there
yeah.
N
L
Thank
you
for
that
and
I
to
answer
your
questions.
I
just
I
agree
when
it
comes
to
the
stakeholding
and
I
agree
with
the
list
that
Bob
mentioned
the
business
Community
emergency
Support
Services
flight
instructors-
oh
that
sounds
good,
but
also
I,
think
Mark
mentioned
that
earlier
having
community
members
as
part
of
this
process,
which
you've
already
mentioned,
and
you
I
looked
at
in
page
four,
you
mentioned
the
common
comments
or
aspirations
and
desired
outcome.
Most
deaf,
certainly
people
who
live
in
there.
L
L
This
I
thought
maybe
X,
because
if
the
plan
is
to
keep
the
status
quo,
it
could
be
ultimately,
how
do
we,
how
maybe
having
experts
in
noise
reduction
when
it
comes
to
these
flight
patterns,
which
you
mentioned
in
the
document,
you
talked
about:
introduce
traffic
pattern,
modifications
so
again,
traffic
Management
program
having
those
type
of
people
involved
as
part
of
the
process
as
well,
because,
ultimately,
we
don't
know
which
way
we
could
go.
But
oh,
but
hopefully,
as
you
consider
this
this
process,
you
you
you
engage.
L
You
know
people
from
various
parts
of
the
community,
but
also
there
is
a
balance.
I
think
that's
another
thing.
Percentage
of
stakeholders
ensure
that
there
is
a
balance
as
you're,
considering
that
it's
not
heavily
one-sided
based
on
One's
group
involvement,
which
is
very
likely
you.
L
You
know
there
are
people
who
that's
their
job,
to
get
involved
in,
and
government
processes
so
reaching
out
to
those
community
members
who
are
at
least
likely
to
be
involved
as
part
of
this
process,
who
are
often
the
people
who
are
most
impacted
by
by
living
in
those
areas
so
yeah.
That
is
my
comments
and
thank
you.
O
O
The
only
thing
I
was
going
to
bring
up
I
don't
want
to
need
to
reiterate
all
the
other
things
my
colleagues
have
said,
but
I
have
been
thinking
about
the
East
Boulder
subcommunity
plan
and
how
it
how
will
the
airport
will
affect
it?
Since
we've
started
talking
about
these
Boulder
sub
community
plan,
because
nobody
on
Council
wants
hundreds
of
more
letters
of
people
complaining
so
how
we
would
rather
fix
the
problem
first,
so
I'm
very
happy
to
know
that
you've
already
been
thinking
about
that
and
I
was
going
to
say.
M
Yes,
the
project
manager,
she's
she's
on
the
meeting
right
now
actually
she's
on
our
for
the
East
Boulder
subcommunity
plan.
We've
asked
her
to
join
our
internal
City
team
for
this
project,
so
I
think
she's,
probably
one
of
the
most
knowledgeable
city
City
staff
to
to
be
sharing
that
perspective.
That's.
O
Great
news,
and
since
we
are
putting
so
much
effort
into
housing
into
more
housing
in
East
Boulder,
it
makes
me
very
happy
to
know
that
we're
going
to
be
dealing
with
this
now
ahead
of
time
and
I'm,
hoping
for
everybody
involved
to
there's
nothing
better
than
a
working
group.
In
my
opinion,
I
was
involved
involved
in
two
of
them
before
I
was
on
Council
and
we
actually
solved
problems
and
we
worked
together
just
like
we
and
they
were
very
specific
problems,
so
it
wasn't
General.
O
So
we
were
able
to
really
you
know
really
hone
in
on
the
specifics.
So
I'm
extremely
excited
about
the
future
of
the
working
group
and
all
that
we
have
planned.
B
Thank
you,
Tara
does
anybody
else
have
questions,
otherwise,
I
will
just
jump
in
with
a
couple.
Yes,
Bob
yeah.
H
Thanks
Nicole
just
a
couple
clarifications:
first
of
all,
I
really
appreciate
Mark
and
Jenny,
calling
out
the
community
I
I
meant
to
include
that
in
my
list
it
was
already
in
the
list
in
the
memo.
So
I
was
trying
to
supplement
that
list,
but
I
should
have
mentioned
members
of
the
community.
Of
course,
members
of
the
community
to
be
part
of
a
community
working
group
and
I'm
glad
that
they
clarified
that
the
second
is.
We
actually
haven't
received
very
many
emails
from
community
members
complaining
about
airport
noise
in
the
last
few
months.
H
I
don't
know
if
it's
the
weather
and
people
fly
Less
in
the
wintertime
or
or
maybe
this
noise
kind
of
reduction
committee
has
already
started
to
take
some
effect.
I
know
that
there's
guidelines
at
the
airport
and
I
know
this
committee
has
been
working
on
making
sure
to
inform
Pilots
about
what
the
those
guidelines
are
and
I
just
noticed,
a
very
significant
Decline
and
we
didn't
receive
a
ton
of
emails
from
community
members.
I've
been
on
Council
for
seven
years
and
they
kind
of
pop
up
in
little
little
bunches.
H
But
we
haven't
received
a
whole
lot
recently
and
so
John.
If,
if
that's
as
a
result
of
the
group
that
you
convened,
congratulations
we'll
see
if,
if
that
continues,
when
the
weather
improves
and
more
people
are
up
in
the
air,
so.
E
I'll,
give
you
a
two-part
answer:
I
think
it's
seasonality,
I
think
you've
had
about
50
reduction
in
operations
this
last
month,
but
you
still
have
a
extremely
high
number
of
non-compliant
flights.
E
Having
said
that,
and
and
I'm
only
talking
seriously
less
than
a
week
in
terms
of
this,
this
shift
by
a
group
of
of
Folks
at
the
airport,
which
is
just
great.
E
You
had
two
people
from
Gun
Barrel
write
letters
of
compliment,
appreciation,
saying
you're,
going
east
you're
staying
High,
we'll
complain,
we
don't
comply,
but
we'll
also
praise
you
when
you
do
and
it's
it's,
that
type
of
getting
those
very
reasonable
groups
together
in
a
working
group
that
I
think
will
yield
the
greatest
results
so
seasonality
and
awareness,
which
is
one
of
your
most
effective
tools
and
one
of
the
most
probably
low-hanging
fruit
that
we
have
on
this
noise
program
is
to
heighten
the
awareness
throughout
the
Front
Range
of
Boulders
issues
and
hot
spots.
K
Just
a
quick
question
for
John
I
I
think
what
what
you're
doing
with
with
that
group
is
is
terrific.
But
my
question
is:
if
you
have
somebody
who's
recalcitrant
or
non-compliant,
do
we
have
enforcement
Authority.
E
I
would
describe
the
group
as
evolving
and
I
think
that
we've
got
some
traction
after
each
one
of
those
meetings.
We
originally
brought
this
data
to
the
entire
group
without
having
a
technical
committee
back
in
March,
and
it
was
simply
there's
not
a
problem
but
In
fairness
and
they
had
no
data
to
look
at.
It
was
just
simply
hearsay
and
and
folklore.
There
was
four
people
complaining
about
the
airport.
E
Well
then,
we
started
collecting
the
data
and
it
was
80
90
100
120
people
complaining
and
they
got
to
see
some
of
the
complaints,
and
some
were
very
legitimate
and
others
were
just
were,
were
a
little
bit,
but
the
vast
majority
were
very
legitimate
and
as
that
Trend
continued
and
folks
started.
Looking
at
the
data
they
started
saying
you
know,
we
really
probably
should
do
something
about
this,
and
we
just
didn't
realize
it
was
this
bad.
But
again
the
data
was
not
available.
E
So
now
that
you
do
have
the
data
and
you're,
seeing
some
very
specific
Trends
and
you're,
seeing
some
very
specific
operators
or
type
of
equipment
or
days
of
Opera.
Excuse
me
times
of
operations
you're
starting
to
see
that
that
12-person
group
probably
be
unified
about
10
out
of
two
and
I,
think
that
that
was
a
eight
to
four
before
so
you're
you're.
Just
the
momentum
is
gaining,
but
you
you
not.
E
Everybody
has
the
same
level
of
awareness
or
participation
level
right
now,
but
we
hope
time
will
fix
that
and
I
think
that
this
community
process
will
help
it,
because
it's
it's
it's
real.
It
needs.
It
needs
to
be
addressed
in
any
airport
that
you
go
to
in
this
country.
That
is
successful.
It
has
a
very
strong
partnership
with
its
Community.
It's
it's
a
necessary
component.
So
no.
K
I
think
that's
great
at
my
but
I.
If
you
get
to
12
to
2,
do
you
have
any
ability
to
enforce
better
practices
with
respect
to
the
two.
E
Well,
the
program
noise
available
program
at
the
airport
is
100
voluntary,
because
the
f8
does
not
allow
us
to
put
on
those
types
of
restrictions.
What's
interesting
is
you
have,
in
a
variety
of
airports,
find
themselves
in
that
situation,
yet
having
some
issues
that
continue
and
they
don't
have
resolution
to
them.
So
there
is
some
legislation
that
is
emerging
for
a
second
time
now,
I
believe
out
of
Congressman
Jonah
Goose's
office.
E
That
is
specifically
saying:
let's
increase
the
ability
for
smaller
airports
to
Institute
restrictions,
operational
restrictions
for
those
folks
who
aren't
being
good
neighbors,
so
I
think
the
voluntary
is
still
in
place,
but
there's
a
fatigue
setting
in
and
what
are
that
gains
momentum
into
legislative
action
yet
to
be
seen.
So
that's
that's
kind
of
our
the
tools
in
our
our
quiver
but
you're.
Also
seeing
the
tenants
saying
we're
trying
as
hard
as
we
can.
E
We
need
everybody
to
try
as
hard
as
we
can,
because
it's
not
to
say
that
the
front
end
of
the
boat
is
going
to
sink
and
the
back
end
is
not
going
to
sink.
It's
not.
We
we're
all
in
this
boat
together
and
we
either
rise
with
the
tide
or
sink
with
the
wave,
so
I
think
time
time
is,
is
going
to
be
very
helpful.
E
B
All
right,
I'm
just
going
to
call
myself
then
for
a
few
questions
and
comments.
One
of
the
questions
I
had
is
just
about
the
process.
Alice
we're
bringing
these
stakeholders
together,
especially
for
some
of
the
folks
that
may
not
have
as
much
understanding
about
the
functions
at
the
airport
and
things
like
that
is
there
kind
of
a
an
introduction
of
the
history
of
the
airport,
its
uses
and
things
like
that.
As
part
of
these
conversations.
F
As
we
talk
to
people
so
far,
there's
been
quite
a
decent
understanding
again
just
a
handful
of
people.
We
talked
to,
but
they've
lived
in
the
community
for
a
long
time
and
have
their
sense
of
history,
and
so
we
haven't
needed
to
have
that.
But
that's
the
reason
that
John,
Allison,
Andrew,
Olivia
and
I
are
all
on
the
call,
because
everybody
brings
a
little
bit
different
contexts
of
the
conversation
depending
on
what
is
needed
at
the
time.
F
And
so
the
intention
is,
as
we
continue
to
talk
to
more
stakeholders,
their
knowledge
and
awareness
of
the
airports
going
to
be
different,
and
so
the
intention
is
to
have
that
conversation
in
a
very
comfortable
and
safe
way
and
allow
for
that
to
take
place.
So
my
intention
is:
if
people
need
more
information
to
understand
the
history,
we're
prepared
to
provide
that
we
have
a
you
know
a
list
of
some
general
information
about
the
history
of
the
airport
that
we
can.
We
can
give
if
needed,
haven't
had
to
yet
but
definitely
prepared.
If
that's
needed,.
B
Okay,
thank
you.
Yeah
and
I
can
definitely
see
that
as
it
expands
out
a
little
bit,
you
know
for
those
in
other
areas
of
town
who
aren't
that
close
to
it.
We
may
not
have
a
thorough
understanding
of
all
the
different
functions
and
uses.
So
thank
you
in
terms
of
thinking
about
other
groups
to
engage
one
of
the
ones
I
was
wondering
about.
B
How
do
we
get
at
understanding
the
impact
on
things
like
the
environment
that
aren't
necessarily
represented
as
a
person
or
a
stakeholder
organization,
or
something
that
we
can
go
to
so
I'm
kind
of
having
The
Lorax
Flash
in
my
head
of
who's,
going
to
speak
for
the
trees
right?
B
So
it's
just
that
sort
of
thing
and
who
can
give
a
sense
of
the
of
impacts
on
you
know
the
environment
or
just
speak
for
that
aspect
of
it
because
I
imagine
there
are
some
emissions
related
things
that
impact
on
our
air
quality
and
especially
for
those
who
are
living
really
close
to
the
airport.
B
So
just
trying
to
I
don't
know
what
the
answer
is
and
I
expect
that
you
all
know
that
better
than
I
do
but
who's
going
to
be
the
The
Lorax
in
this
situation
and
then
the
other
question
I
had
around
that
and
and
Natalie
and
folks.
Please
tell
me
if
this
is
maybe
not
the
right
phase
for
this
question,
but
I'm
thinking
about
along
those
lines.
B
How
do
we
get
at
the
kind
of
equity
and
social
and
economic
making
impacts
both
positive
and
negative
of
having
the
airport
as
well
again,
these
are
sort
of
they're,
not
necessarily
at
one
particular
group
of
people,
the
sort
of
broader
goals
that
we
have
as
a
city
that
are
not
necessarily
around
who
is
engaged,
but
the
types
of
information
that
we're
getting
from
people
or
from
the
data
that
we
have
and
I
just
wanted
to.
B
Echo
also
Bob's
comment
about
thinking
about
the
future
of
Transportation,
so
especially
as
we're
moving
to
more
of
these
vertical
takeoff
and
Landing
times
the
vehicles
and
things.
What
does
that
mean
for
what's
coming
in
the
future?
Because
that's
another
group,
that's
not
represented
necessarily
right
now
in
terms
of
airport
users
or
people
in
the
community,
but
certainly
one
that's
coming
down
the
road
and
how
are
we
engaging
with
those
folks
too?
B
So
that
is
I,
think
everything
then
and
I
think
we
can
wrap
up
this
discussion
so
just
to
kind
of
hit
on
some
of
the
highlights.
We
talked
about
some
changes
to
some
of
the
language
that
we're
using
throughout
this
engagement
process.
B
We
gave
you
quite
a
bit
of
feedback
on
who
else
we
we
would
like
to
hear
from
which
groups
to
engage
and
I
think
overall,
what
I
heard
is
that
we
would
like
a
very
Broad
and
inclusive
process
here
and
I.
Think
the
other
theme
that
I
heard
was
not
going
in
with
a
predetermined
outcome,
but
really
being
open
about
what
we're
going
to
be
hearing
from
people
in
these
conversations.
So
is
there
anything
else
that
you
all
need
from
us
on
Council
As,
you
move
forward
foreign.
B
Awesome
well,
thank
you
and
thank
you,
Natalie
John
Maria
meeting
at
Amalia,
Olivia
Andrew
Allison.
Thank
you
all
so
much
for
being
here
and
bringing
us
this
information
and
including
us
in
the
conversation.
C
Thank
you,
councilmember
Spear,
and
because
you
haven't
heard
enough
of
them,
we
will
have
Natalie
and
John
continuing
to
join
us
in
this
conversation,
as
we
move
forward,
Natalie.
D
I
turned
off
my
video,
but
I
was
like
oh
right,
we're
still
going
okay.
Well,
yes,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Nuria,
and
this
will
be
relatively
relatively
brief.
D
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
reiterate
the
information
that
we
submitted
in
the
memo
that
Carl
submitted
to
you
earlier
I
believe
last
week,
and
really
the
request
is
of
counsel
to
consider
participating
in
the
Rocky
Mountain
Metro
Airport,
Community,
noise,
Roundtable
and
really
you
know
the
staff's
interest
in
bringing
this
forward
to
you
is
that
we've
recognized
that
there
are
potentially
decisions
being
made
at
the
community
noise
Roundtable
that
we're
just
not
at
the
table
at
right
now
now
other
areas,
other
local
governments
around
the
area
that
are
impacted
by
our
MMA
flights,
Arvada
Boulder,
County,
Jefferson,
County,
Lafayette,
Louisville,
Superior,
Westminster,
they're,
all
at
the
table,
and
so
there's
just
the
ask
of
if
Council
would
be
willing
to
participate
in
this,
and
we
can
certainly
John
and
I
are
available
to
answer
questions.
B
Thanks
so
much
Natalie.
Well,
let
me
first
start
with.
Does
anybody
have
questions
for
Natalie
about
what
this
looks
like
Matt?
You
have
a
question.
J
Two
I
I
would
I
guess
it's
sort
of
I
would
assume
for
some
clarification
that,
given
that
we'd
be
entering
into
an
IGA,
would
it
be
like
some
of
these
others,
external
ones
where
it's
a
council,
representative
and
a
staff
backup
is
that
kind
of
the
structure
you're
looking
at
here.
D
E
Thanks
Natalie
Matt,
yeah,
you're,
correct,
yes,
you're,
correct
the
the
attendees
at
the
table
are
elected
officials
and
then
they
lean
on
supportive
staff
for
that
role.
B
Thank
you
together.
Questions
is.
O
It
possible
for
more
than
one
council
member
to
be
on
this
subcommittee,
since
we
already
have
a
heavy
lift,
but
also
this
is
in
terms
of
Hub
committees,
but
also
I,
believe.
This
is
a
very
vital
committee.
D
I
think
that
if
you're
asking,
if
you
can
kind
of
have
a
backup
is
that
what
yeah
I
think
that
that
is
certainly
welcome.
I
imagine
the
other
entities
are
doing
that
as
well.
C
And
I
just
make
a
I
apologize.
Can
I
make
a
clarification
on
that,
because
if
we
do
have
two
or
more
council
members
at
a
meeting,
then
that
could
constitute
a
business
meeting
and
may
then
need
to
be
notified.
But
if
the
question
is
whether
or
not
Council
can
elect
someone
to
be
at
the
meeting
and
if
they're
not
able,
then
someone
else
can
substitute
in
their
stead.
So
it's
not
two
at
the
same
meeting,
but
rather
an
alternate
or
a
substitute
correct.
O
B
Tara,
do
you
have
any
other
questions
your
hand's
still
up
so
just
wondering
if
there's
more
okay,
great,
then
let's
maybe
go
first
to
the
questions
that
staff
asked
us
and
Matt
I
know.
You've
got
some
comments,
but
if
it's
all
right,
I
would
like
to
do
that.
Just
the
questions
first
and
then
we
can
do
comments
after
so.
The
first
question
was:
is
Council
interested
in
applying
for
City
membership
in
the
Rocky
Mountain
Metropolitan
Airport
Community
noise
Roundtable?
P
I'm
going
to
also
interject
that
mayor
Brockett
said
that
he
was
supportive
as
long
as
we
have
a
volunteer.
B
H
H
B
No,
no!
Okay!
That's
that's
all
right
so,
but
you
wouldn't
be
opposed
if
somebody
wanted
to
it
looks
like
there's
majority
of
us
anyway,
that
are
that
are
interested
in
having
someone
participate.
So
the
second
question
and
put
your
hands
down
unless
you
want
to
be
selected.
As
tribute
does
council
have
a
member
willing
to
serve
as
the
city's
representative
should
the
city
be
granted
membership?
So
please
raise
your
hand
if
you
would
be
willing
to
serve
in
this
role.
O
P
B
B
Does
that
sound
okay
did
I,
specify
that
correctly
Tara
and
Mark
okay,
see
you
nodding
and
does
that
is
there
anybody
that
has
an
issue
with
that
or
objects
to
that
all
right
silence
so
I
think,
then,
that
that
is
your
answer.
Natalie,
so
we'll
have
Mark
as
Welling.
If
we
are
admitted
and
Tara
will
be
an
alternate
as
needed,
and
now
open
up
for
comments,
foreign,
yes,
Teresa.
Q
B
Perfect.
Thank
you,
and
is
this
anything
that,
because
we're
saying
it
here
is
that
sufficient
to
get
it
on
the
next
CAC
on
our
agenda?
Great
yeah.
J
I
thought
Mark
was
piping
in
there
and
he
even
did
it
with
Scout's
Honor,
so
I
I
really
hold
him
to
his
word.
Well,
I
mean
the
only
thing
I
I
just
is
there's.
J
You
know
predominant
departing
traffic
takes
off
on
Runway
3-0
at
Rocky
Mountain,
and
that
takes
them
West
right
towards
us.
So
there's
there.
J
I
just
want
to
just
sort
of
point
that
out
just
how
that
that
Aerospace
tends
to
operate
with
the
commercial
traffic
going
overhead.
So
just
wanted
to
clarify
that.
K
Yeah
I
I
agree
with
the
comments
that
Matt
made
I.
You
know
this
is
this:
is
a
this
group
is
going
to
have
a
fairly
limited
brief
in
terms
of
what
they
do
and
what
they
can
do.
K
K
O
B
Right,
thank
you
and
thank
you
for
what
must
be
one
of
the
shortest
study
session
items
we've
had
so
thanks
thanks
all
right,
we
are
running
Terry.
Your
hand
is
up
again.
Is
that
an
oh
holding
a
new
hand?
Okay,
wonderful!
Thank
you.
We're
running
a
little
bit
ahead
of
time.
Does
anybody
need
a
three
minute
stretch
break.
B
I
see
some
yeses,
so
let's
maybe
7
10
and
then
we'll
head
into
our
Broadband
discussion.
So
just
take
a
really
quick
stretch.
Break
and
I'll
see
you
at
7
10.
A
A
A
A
C
Thank
you
so
much
councilmember,
Spear
and
speaking
of
tributes.
We
often
turn
to
Chris
messeck,
who
is
our
resident
historian
for
all
things
that
happened
certainly
before
I
arrived
and
so
we'll
turn
to
Chris
again
to
get
us
kicked
off
on
the
conversation,
because
I
believe
Chris
you're,
one
of
the
last
team
members
from
those
2018
efforts.
It
started
so
long
ago.
So
we'll
kick
it
off
to
Chris
but
know
that
behind
Chris,
our
amazing
team
and
I.T
will
be
coming
forward
to
also
share
all
the
great
work
that
they've
been
doing.
Chris.
R
And
thanks
neria
and
yes,
I
did
have
the
pleasure
of.
R
Helping
on
our
team
last
time,
we
were
intensively
working
on
this,
so
they
asked
that
I
kicked
things
off,
so
I
will
do
that.
Very
briefly.
R
If
Emily
you
could
pull
up
the
presentation
for
us
and
as
Nuria
mentioned,
it's
been
a
little
while,
since
we've
been
before
Council
I
think.
The
last
time
we
were
here
was
in
2019,
so
I'm
just
gonna
introduce
our
other
team
members
and
presenters
and
go
over
our
agenda.
R
So
if
we
go
to
the
next
slide
first,
what
we're
gonna
do
is
cover
the
Broadband
ecosystem
and
really
the
fiber
investment
that
has
occurred
in
Boulder
and
that's
going
to
be
presented
by
Tim
Scott,
who
is
our
Broadband
project
manager
and
we
hired
Tim
back
in
I,
think
it
was
2018.
R
Tim's,
really
an
expert
in
broadband
and
in
the
Fiber
space
he
was
just
concluding
some
work
in
Centennial.
We
were
lucky
enough
to
snag
him
and
he's
been
leading,
especially
a
lot
of
our
backbone
work
and
then
second,
we're
going
to
cover
the
approaches
to
community
broadband
and
really
the
options
that
we've
laid
out
for
Council
consideration
and
Mike.
Gian
Santi,
our
deputy
director
of
innovation
and
technology,
is
going
to
present
this,
as
well
as
the
key
decisions
that
are
coming
in
the
year
ahead
and
our
next
steps.
R
Mike's,
really
our
key
leader
in
this
space
in
the
department,
has
been
leading
much
of
our
Smart
City
work
as
well.
We're
going
to
have
Tim
myself
and
as
well
as
Mike
and
Jennifer
Douglas
who's,
our
director
and
chief
Innovation
and
Technology
officer
here
as
well,
and
we're
really
teeing
this
conversation
up
today
for
really
an
initial
scoping
conversation
and
really
a
framing
conversation
to
make
sure
we're
focusing
on
the
right
next
steps.
As
we
dive
back
into
this
work
and
as
Tim's
going
to
cover
there's
a
lot.
R
That's
changed
in
the
landscape
since
2015
to
2018.
When
we
were
working
on
this
and
then
some
areas
that
haven't
really
changed,
but
but
some
of
the
areas
that
have
changed,
especially
in
Boulder,
is
the
private
investment
that
our
incumbent
providers,
Comcast
and
Lumen
or
CenturyLink
have
made
in
upgrading
their
systems
as
well
as
changes
and
kind
of
who,
the
the
service
providers
are
nationally
and
the
models
that
are
successful.
So
we're
going
to
spend
a
fair
amount
of
time
on
background
and
kind
of
context
to
bring
everybody
up
to
speed.
R
So
with
that,
I
think
we'll
go
to
the
next
slide
and
we
have
three
questions
that
we're
going
to
pose
for
Council.
We'll
recap
these
again
at
the
end.
So
with
that
next
slide
and
I'll
turn
it
over
to
Tim.
S
Thanks
Chris
good
evening
Council
thanks
for
being
here
this
evening,
I'm
assuming
everybody
can
hear
me:
okay,
okay,
great
so
yeah
next
slide.
Please.
S
So
yeah,
as
Chris
mentioned
I'm,
just
going
to
sort
of
talk
about
the
a
little
bit
of
background
and
then
bring
everybody
up
to
date
with
what's
been
going
on
with
the
current
fiber
backbone
project
in
the
city
which
which
actually
started
Construction
in
in
2020.
So
right
around
not
long
before
covid
rolled
in
but
started
in
2020
and
I'll
give
a
little
background
and
perspective
to
to
that
project
and
where
it
stands.
S
So
what
are
we
trying
to
do?
And
and
really
the
the
Cornerstone
of
the
boulder
project
was
to
start
with
what
we
call
a
fiber,
backbone
infrastructure
and
I'll
sort
of
outline
why
we
started
with
the
backbone
itself
and
then
the
longer
term
goal
has
always
been
to
sort
of
understand
how
that
fiber
can
then
be
backbone,
could
be
utilized
to
bring
fiber
to
the
premise.
So
the
goal
to
get
fiber
and
and
fiber
I
think
now
is
become.
S
You
know
a
common
talking
point
amongst
municipalities
and
Mayors
and
is
really
seen
as
as
the
leading
type
of
telecommunications
infrastructure.
S
And
it's
you
know
a
piece
of
glass,
cable,
the
it's
an
engine!
Diameter
and
it's
typically
deployed
underground,
and
it's
not
a
very
gritzy
technology.
S
So
we
don't
talk
about
it
very
much,
but
when
you're
driving
around
or
along
an
interstate
and
you'll,
see
the
big
coils
of
orange
piping
at
the
side
of
the
road
or
in
the
last
few
years
in
Boulder,
when
you've
seen
the
orange
and
other
colored
conduits
that
we
use
on
the
big
reels,
those
conduits
are
going
underground
and
and
the
city's
fiber
cable
is
being
deployed
within
that
two
inch
conduit.
So
it's
a
pretty
pretty
slow,
pretty
labor-intensive
process,
obviously
to
get
that
infrastructure
built.
S
But
you
know,
as
I
mentioned,
you
know
widely
widely
regarded
as
as
the
new
infrastructure
of
the
21st
century
and
and
really
that's
because
it's
got
this
ability
to
essentially
offer
unlimited
data.
S
So,
as
we
all
know,
we
we
constantly
consume
more
and
more
data
and
and
fiber's
really
been
the
enabler
to
drive
the
capacity
for
us
to
consume
multiple
amounts
of
data,
whether
that's
at
home,
on
your
computer,
whether
that's
through
your
mobile
phone,
you
know,
fiber,
has
been
pushed
closer
and
closer
to
the
to
the
user
over
the
years
and
and
is,
is
essentially
the
the
the
the
main
reason
we
have
both
high-speed
Wireless
Solutions,
such
as
your
your
cell
type
services,
and
you
hear
of
things
like
5G.
S
These
are
all
driven
by
fiber
capacity,
even
though
the
end
connecting
technology
might
be
Wireless
like
Wi-Fi
at
home
or
your
cellular
service.
It's
that
pervasive
growth
of
fiber
and
pushing
fiber
closer
to
the
premise
and
closer
to
people.
That's
really
enabled
these
different.
S
S
You
know,
certainly
at
home,
we've
seen
how
you
know
during
covid
when
everybody
was
working
at
home,
and
we
had
you
know,
kids
that
needed
video
access
as
well,
that
even
our
current
infrastructure
that
we
have
today
in
the
city
of
Boulder.
You
know
those
that
infrastructure
was
was
was
tested
just
like
any
other
municipality
across
the
country,
to
support
the
ability
for
everybody
to
be
home,
running
videos
and
maybe
kids,
running
movies
and
stuff
at
the
same
time.
S
So,
if
you
just
look
at
the
right,
you'll
see
here,
how
you
know
cable
is
the
predominant
infrastructure
in
most
mid-sized
cities,
and
it
has
sort
of
served
well
over
the
last.
You
know
20
years
30
years,
and
they
continue
to
think
of
innovative
ways
to
try
to
get
more
capacity
out
of
that
cable
infrastructure.
But
really
you
know,
fiber
is
considered
the
new
infrastructure
and
the
goal
of
of
many
municip
municipalities
has
been.
How
do
they
really?
S
You
know
figure
out
creative
ways
to
bring
fiber
into
their
communities
and
again
push
that
fiber
as
close
to
premises,
whether
that's
residential
premises
or
businesses,
and-
and
has
this
really
unlimited
capacity
to
offer
gigabit
type
speeds
that
you've
heard
about
from
different
gigabit
communities
and
stuff,
like
that.
So
so,
really
the
the
key
infrastructure
and
the
goal
to
to
bring
fiber
out
to
premises
in
in
the
city
of
Boulder.
So
next
slide.
Please
and-
and
this
this
piece
of
it
is-
is
an
interesting
reflection
and
I.
S
Think
as
Chris
mentioned,
you
know
a
decade
ago.
We
wouldn't
have
seen
this
in
in
Colorado,
but
but
basically
this
is
a
snapshot
of
where
you
can
get
one
gigabit
Broadband
Solutions
sort
of
in
the
Front
Range
area,
and
you
can
see
that
you
know
there's
a
few
sort
of
stars
there
that
are
that
are
clearly
highlighted
and,
and
those
are
sort
of
neighboring
communities
that
have
brought
gigabit
Broadband
Solutions
to
their
communities
in
some
capacity,
maybe
directly
themselves
or
through
creative
Partnerships.
S
And
you
can
see
that
within
Boulder
we
have
very
limited
number
of
units
and
availability
for
fiber-based,
one
gigabit
Broadband
speeds
within
the
city
and
I
think
you
know,
one
gigabit
speeds
is
sort
of
considered
the
Benchmark
today
for
any
type
of
telecommunications
infrastructure
in
a
modern
municipal
polity.
So
this
slide
is
is
interesting.
S
I
think
gives
a
good
example
of
how
other
other
neighboring
municipalities
have
moved
forward
to
to
bring
this
type
of
capacity
to
the
residents
and
businesses,
and
each
model
is
a
little
unique
and
each
way
they've
done
a
little
league,
but
but
certainly
Colorado's
been
been
at
the
Forefront
of
figuring
out
different
ways
by
which
the
you
know
the
municipalities
have
been
able
to
to
deliver
this
next
slide.
S
Please-
and
you
know
this
is
an
important
piece
and
sort
of
hard
to
squeeze
into
to
to
our
times
tonight,
but
I
think
it's
obviously
important
to
take
a
little
bit
of
time
to
talk
about
what
we've
actually
been
doing
on
the
what
we
call
the
Broadband
or
the
fiber
side
within
the
city.
So
in
2018
it
was
kind
of
kicked
off
the
concept
of
creating
this
backbone
fiber
infrastructure.
S
In
2019
we
moved
into
sort
of
the
design
phase,
so
how
would
it
ultimately
be
designed?
And
in
early
2020
we
got
contracts
done
and
started
on
the
construction
of
that
fiber
backbone.
So
today,
we've
completed
about
75
of
that
backbone.
So
that's
yellow
infrastructure.
S
There
is
completed,
it's
100
underground,
it's
all
being
fine,
you
know
final
sort
of
testing
and
and
what
we
call
splicing,
which
is
how
the
cables
are
joined
together
and
then
you
know
it's
important
also
to
to
point
out
that
the
backbone
itself,
it
doesn't
just
sit
there
in
this
architecture
that
you're
looking
at
and
not
connect
to
anything.
We
we
have
direct
connections
to
over
120
traffic
signals.
We
have
connections
to
some
of
the
municipal
buildings
across
the
city.
We
have
connections
to
some
Public
Safety
sites
that
were
part
of
this
design.
S
That
sort
of
represents
why
it
goes
in
the
route
that
you
see
there.
So
you
know
it
was
important
that
we
spend
a
lot
of
time
on
that
design
and
probably
a
good
full
year
and
we've
gone
through
the
phases
of
connecting
those
other.
What
we
kind
of
call
Community,
Partners
and
City
Sites
to
that
infrastructure
and-
and
one
piece
I
want
to
point
out
that
I
think
is
very
important.
People
often
feel
that
we
build
this
infrastructure
and
then
you're
not
able
to
connect
it
to
it
in
the
future.
S
The
whole
purpose
of
building
this
infrastructure
was
to
insert
as
many
what
we
call
splice
points
or
connectivity
points
as
possible
so
that
it's
possible
to
expand
from
this
backbone
infrastructure
in
the
future,
whether
it's
to
additional
communities
sites,
whether
it's
for
you
know
some
extension.
The
city
wants
to
do.
I
heard
an
interesting
discussion
previously
about
the
airport.
There
are
lots
of
creative
ways
to
connect
to
the
infrastructure.
So
what
we
build
today,
isn't
what
you
get.
It's
really
just
the
starting
point
to
figure
out
how
we
expand
from
that
in
the
future.
S
So,
as
I
mentioned,
the
the
red
area
is
on
schedule
to
be
completed
during
2023.
We
call
that
phase
five
and
phase
six,
it's
our
Canyon
and
Table
Mesa
rings,
and
we
have
started
construction
there.
There's
a
lot
of
rock,
as
you
might
know,
on
the
west
side
of
the
city,
which
makes
things
very
slow,
but
I
do
believe,
we'll
get
that
completed
in
2023
and
that
whole
sort
of
65
miles
of
infrastructure
that
you're
looking
there
looking
at
there
should
be
completed
and
in
service
by
by
the
end
of
2023.
S
next
slide.
Please
so
I
wanted
to
take
a
little
bit
of
a
step
back
and
and
use
this
concept
of
of
a
road
Network
as
an
analogy
for
fiber
infrastructure
and
what
we're
doing
in
in
the
in
this
in
the
city,
the
highway
is
the
fiber
backbone
that
I
just
talked
about
so
the
highway
with
the
green
tip.
There
is
what
we've
been
building
since
2020
and
we'll
finish
in
2023..
S
The
next
steps,
or
the
next
phases
of
the
project,
will
will
really
involve
how
how
does
the?
How
does
the
side
streets
of
of
this
highway
get
built?
How
do
these
fiber
laterals
get
extended
from
this
backbone
infrastructure
into
neighborhoods
and
then
once
you're
extended
into
the
neighborhoods?
How,
ultimately
do
you
build
the
driveway?
So
how
do
you
get
fiber
drops
to
the
specific
residential
premise
or
the
or
the
business
premises
that
you
may
be
attaching
to?
So
that's.
S
Why
there's
a
question
mark
there,
because
the
decision
that
was
made
back
in
2018
was
let's
move
forward
and
fund
and
build
the
highway
first
and
we'll
have
specific
connectivity
points
to
building
the
highway,
but
that'll
be
the
starting
point
for
how
we
answer
the
the
process
of
building
the
the
next
phase
of
infrastructure
and
that's
basically
being
the
side
streets
and
the
driveways.
So
once
you
construct
those
side,
streets
and
driveways,
you
know
the
real
question
is
okay.
S
Well,
who
drives
the
car
and-
and
you
can
see
our
little
graphic
there,
so
the
car
is
meant
to
represent
so
who's
offering
the
internet
service.
So
if
the
city's,
building
or
or
part
of
of
a
plan
to
build,
fiber,
further
out
and
you're,
connecting
fiber
infrastructure
to
business
premises
or
or
and
or
residential
premises,
ultimately,
you
subscribe
to
some
sort
of
Internet
service,
and
that
is
is
represented
here
by
the
car.
So
who
would
that
be
in
this
Future
model
for
the
city
of
Boulder
and
and
then
just
on
the
right?
S
You
know
we
think
we've
addressed
the
the
question
of
who
builds
the
side,
streets
and
infrastructure.
Obviously
it
it
is
an
infrastructure
that
needs
to
be
maintained.
Fiber
itself
is
a
very
low
requirement
of
Maintenance.
Typically,
the
Fiber
goes
into
that
ground
goes
into
those
two
inch
conduits
and
you
don't
really
touch
it
for
25
or
30
years,
unless
it's
accidentally
dug
up,
but
you
know
the
electronics
that
bring
all
the
intelligence.
S
You
know
that
does
need
maintained,
and
that
does
need
upgraded
and
there
is
you,
know
software
and
stuff
associated
with
that,
and
then,
as
I
said.
The
last
point
is,
you
know
who
provides
the
internet
service
or
Services?
You
know?
Is
it
one
car
one
new
car,
that's
driving
around
the
city
or
is
it
multiple
cars
in
this
example?
S
S
And
then
just
to
recap-
and
this
gets
a
little
technical,
so
we're
going
to
try
to
keep
it-
you
know
really
high
level.
The
infrastructure
that
we're
building
today
the
fiber
asset
itself
is
is
known
as
a
is
a
432
fiber,
strand,
cable,
the
key
takeaway
here
is:
what
does
that
mean?
It
just
means
it's
a
very
high
density.
Cable.
These
fiber
strands
are
essentially
the
width
of
a
hair,
so
there's
432
of
those
in
a
in
an
inch
and
a
quarter,
diameter,
fiber,
cable
and
conceptually.
Why
you
build
it
like
that?
S
Is
that
those
those
strands
or
those
what
we
call
buffer
tubes
within
the
cable
can
be
used?
You
can
allocate
them
and
they
can
be
used
for
specific
purposes.
So,
obviously,
in
in
this
city
example
would
be
that
you
would
have
a
you
know,
an
allocation
of
the
432
that
would
be
used
for
municipal
government
services.
S
You
can
have
further
allocations
that
could
be
used
for
Partnerships
and
then
in
the
example
on
the
right
here
you
can
see
we
we're
hypothetically
taking
half
of
that
432
and
saying
that
that
could
be
used
for
Community
Broadband.
You
know
fiber-based
Solutions,
using
half,
essentially
of
the
backbone
that
the
city
is
building
around
the
city.
Another
key
point
is
this:
is
completely
hypothetical
at
this
stage.
These
are
just
ways
that
we
felt
the
asset
could
be
best
represented
at
this
stage.
S
S
So
this
is
just
in
a
conceptual
idea,
but
the
key
point
being
that
the
infrastructure
that
we're
building
today
is
is
a
very
high
capacity
and
that
infrastructure
that
we've
built
that
we'll
be
finishing
in
2023
can
absolutely
be
the
starting
point
that
we
can
use
as
as
the
enabler
for
the
pathway
towards
Community
Broadband.
T
Thanks,
Tim
and
and
good
evening,
Council
again,
my
name
is
Mike
Jan
Santi
I'm,
the
deputy
director
of
innovation
and
Technology
I'm,
going
to
take
you
through
the
broad
approaches
that
we've
outlined
for
the
future.
State
Community
Broadband
options,
but
before
I
jumped
there
I
do
want
to
provide
a
bit
more
context
to
the
Broadband
ecosystem.
Today,
as
Chris
mentioned
off
the
top,
it's
been
about
four
years
since
this
has
been
a
topic
of
council
and
obviously
a
lot
has
changed
in
the
last
four
years.
T
In
an
attempt
to
address
this
nationally,
the
bipartisan
infrastructure
deal
has
allocated
65
billion
dollars
to
expand
Broadband
across
the
United
States.
The
majority
of
these
funds,
however,
are
designated
for
Rural
and
tribal
land
uses
in
in
Colorado.
Our
portion
of
the
bipartisan
infrastructure
deal
will
be
allocated
through
the
department
of
local
Affairs
and
the
state
Broadband
office,
and
that
is
slated
to
start
later
this
year.
At
this
time
we
don't
believe
the
city
of
Boulder
will
qualify
for
any
of
those
any
of
those
funds.
T
Moreover,
at
the
state
level,
Boulder
is
absolutely
not
alone
in
wanting
to
take
action
to
ensure
that
we
have
the
highest
level
and
most
affordable
internet
options
out
there.
Several
of
our
regional
neighbors,
including
Longmont
as
many
are
aware,
Centennial
Fort,
Collins
Loveland,
have
all
worked
towards
some
model
of
community-sponsored
broadband.
There
are
in
fact
30
communities
across
the
state
today
who
have
implemented
Broadband
Solutions
at
the
municipal
level
in
some
form
or
another
here
in
Boulder,
since
the
city
began
construction
of
the
fiber
backbone.
T
Many
of
our
incumbent
providers,
as
Chris
mentioned
off
the
top
mainly
Comcast
and
CenturyLink,
have
greatly
improved
their
networks
and
have
made
substantial
Investments
in
our
community.
Here.
I
will
note
that
while
there
has
been
significant
Investments
by
mainly
those
two
providers,
our
competitive
landscape
largely
remains
unchanged
and
largely
remains
sort
of
a
duopoly
with
those
two
providers
being
the
the
main
providers
for
the
city.
T
So,
as
I
mentioned,
the
digital
divide
is,
is
obviously
a
huge
Global
issue.
It's
also
very
much
a
local
issue,
as,
as
many
of
you
know,
we
designed
the
city's
Backbone
in
2017-2018
to
deliberately
run
fiber
near
Boulder
housing
partner,
affordable
housing
sites
and
to
make
connecting
to
those
facilities
easier
in
the
future
in
an
attempt
to
close
our
accessibility
gaps.
T
Today,
we're
really
happy
to
report
that,
since
construction
of
the
backbone
began
in
2018,
BHP
has
done
some
really
really
impressive
work:
improving
access
to
Internet
services
through
some
of
the
private
providers
in
town
and
at
this
point
a
hundred
percent
of
BHP
tenants
have
access
to
Services
through
a
private
provider
in
their
unit
and
furthermore,
with
the
support
of
almost
nine
hundred
thousand
dollars
of
City
provided
arpa
funding.
Bhp
is
or
will
soon
be,
providing
free
Wi-Fi
for
their
tenants
in
in
the
majority
of
their
facilities.
T
This
is
over
and
above
access
to
wireless
wired
internet
delivered
into
the
units
that
is
available
at
retail
costs
of
the
tenants.
I
actually
just
received
an
update
today
that
nearly
half
a
dozen
sites
BHP
sites
are
at
or
near
completion
of
the
Wi-Fi
capability,
which
again
will
be
provided
free
to
tenants.
T
So
because
of
these
great
improvements
that
BHP
has
made,
we
partnered
with
them
last
summer
to
analyze
the
operational
and
capital
cost
to
actually
connect
BHP
to
the
city's
backbone,
of
which
there
were
some
funds
set
aside
in
this.
In
this
initial
phase
to
connect
those
sites,
we
found
that
the
service
quality
would
likely
be
improved
somewhat
because
we'd
be
delivering
Services
via
fiber
versus
the
current
cable.
T
After
doing
this
analysis,
coupled
with
a
lot
of
our
outstanding
questions
around
who
would
foot
these
bills,
we
decided
in
in
concert
with
BHP,
to
put
a
pause
on
construction
of
those
laterals
from
our
city-owned
backbone
to
those
sites
until
Council
had
an
opportunity
to
weigh
in
on
our
more
comprehensive
Broadband
strategy
for
the
whole
community
and
that
we
had
Assurance
from
BHP
that
the
new
infrastructure
that
we
built
would
actually
be
utilized
and
would
be
cost
effective
for
both
BHP
and
the
City.
T
So,
during
all
that,
we
also
worked
with
BHP
to
make
sure
that
tenants
do
have
information
about
public
funds
that
are
available
largely
federal
funds
through
the
fcc's
connectivity
program.
That
program
provides
up
to
30
a
month
discount
based
on
income
requirements
for
retail
internet
services
that
those
residents
can
can
use
to
purchase
internet
in
the
private
Marketplace.
T
So
we
can
move
on
to
the
next
slide
and
so
I'm
going
to
transition
into
talking
about
the
options
that
we
presented.
Hopefully,
you
had
a
chance
to
view
the
memo
that
was
submitted
and
the
options
that
we
highlighted
there
we're
going
to
review
those.
T
Now
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide
before
we
get
into
those
the
the
first
step
in
thinking
about
what
role
the
city
plays
in
this
market
is
really
to
make
sure
that
we're
aligned
around
a
common
intended
outcome,
and
one
of
the
questions
we
had
for
council
tonight
was
to
really
weigh
in
on
on
what
we've
sort
of
proposed
here
in
some
of
the
the
minor
changes
that
we've
made
from
what
council
and
staff
would
agree
to
back
in
in
2017,
2018
and
and
so
based
on
those
discussions
from
2017
and
2018
and
how
we've
seen
the
ecosystem
evolve
over
the
last
few
years.
T
T
But
regardless
of
the
approach
that
we
take
to
achieving
this
outcome,
we
really
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
rude
and
some
core
guiding
principles
or
what
we
had
called
objectives
back
in
2018.
And
these
guiding
principles
are
to
ensure
city-wide
access
to
Services,
make
sure
that's
being
done
through
a
competitive
Marketplace,
ensuring
that
we're
Equitable
and
inclusive
in
how
we're
delivering
internet
services
making
sure
that
we're
future
oriented
and
making
sure
that
we're
keeping
consumer
privacy
at
the
Forefront
of
all
the
work
that
we
do.
T
T
We
we
propose
removing
here,
not
because
they
aren't
still
Central
to
us
achieving
this
intended
outcome,
but
really
because
we
believe
they're
a
bit
duplicative
in
nature,
with
with
the
objectives
of
competitive,
Marketplace
and
Equitable
and
inclusive,
and
we
also
want
to
make
sure
we're
being
concise
that
our
guiding
principles
are
measurable
and
when
we
think
about
the
Three
core
potential
approaches
and
when
we
get
into
future
stages.
Many
more
variations
on
those
approaches
that
were
achieving
these
intended
outcomes
and
we're
evaluating
those
approaches
against
something.
That's
that's
quite
objective.
T
T
So
when
we
think
about
how
we're
going
to
get
to
that
intended
outcome,
there's
there's
obviously
a
broad
spectrum
of
approaches
the
city
could
take,
and
we've
charted
some
of
those
here
across
that
Spectrum
on
a
spectrum
of
a
risk
and
opportunity.
T
We've
seen
various
approaches
taken
even
here
regionally
along
the
Front
Range
we've
seen
vastly
different
approaches
taken
along
the
Spectrum
by
some
of
the
communities
around
us
to
fulfill
very
similar
desired
outcome
that
we
have,
and
so
you
know
all
of
these
are
very
plausible.
All
of
them
work
in
different
situations.
It
really
just
rests
on
Council
and
the
communities
appetite
for
risk
and
cost,
and
the
amount
of
control
that
that
we
want
to
have
as
a
municipality
for
Simplicity
of
today's
discussion.
T
What
we've
do
what
we've
done
is:
we've
simplified
all
of
these
options
across
the
Spectrum
into
three
core
approaches:
what
we've
called
options
a
b
and
c,
and
you
can
see
all
the
way
on
sort
of
the
left
side
of
the
chart
here.
This
is
the
lowest
risk,
also
the
lowest
opportunity.
This
is
an
approach
where
the
city
is
is
simply
advocating
for
changes
to
public
policy.
T
It's
an
approach
where
we
would
have
very
little
control
if
any
council
did
make
a
very
deliberate
decision,
four
or
five
years
ago,
to
move
the
city
to
the
right
along
this
graph.
T
Where
we
sit
today-
and
that's
indicated
by
that
orange-
that
yellow
or
orange
arrow
there,
where
we
do
actually
own
some
core
infrastructure,
and
we
do
actually
act
as
a
service
provider,
albeit
into
a
very
very
small
scope
of
Partners
and
and
to
a
small
scope
publicly,
where
we
provide
public
Wi-Fi
via
our
our
infrastructure.
Downtown.
T
Our
20
million
dollar
investment
in
the
backbone
has
really
propelled
us
forward
here,
and
it
really
enables
much
greater
capabilities
for
us
to
serve
the
community.
So
it
really.
It
opens
up
sort
of
the
right
side
of
this
graph
if
you
will,
and
that
really
brings
us
to
what
we're
calling
approach.
A
that's
sort
of
the
first
option
that
we're
proposing
here-
and
this
is
to
be
a
provider
of
Last
Resort
for
residents
and
organizations
who
are
not
serviced
by
a
private
provider.
T
As
we
move
to
the
right
on
this
chart,
we
come
to
option
b,
which,
as
we'll
discuss
here
in
a
minute,
is
the
staff
recommended
approach
which
is
to
enter
into
a
public-private
partnership
with
a
provider
who
is
already
very
proficient
in
delivering
internet
services
and
servicing
internet
customers.
T
A
public
private
partnership
can
take
on
a
lot
of
different
forms
and,
if
Council
agrees
with
our
recommendation
to
pursue
this
option,
we'll
be
doing
a
significant
amount
of
research
over
the
coming
months
and
engagement
with
a
lot
of
the
private
providers
in
this
space
to
understand
what
our
specific
options
are
as
a
city
and
then.
Lastly,
as
we
move
to
the
right
all
the
way
on
the
top
of
this
opportunity,
risk
curve
is
option
C,
which
is
a
fully
owned
and
operated
service.
T
This
is
the
city
actually
going
and
funding
and
building
all
of
the
infrastructure
on
our
own,
and
it
also
means
we're
going
in
and
operating
all
that
infrastructure
as
well,
which
means
we
likely
need
to
build
out
a
new
operational
Department
to
serve
needs
from
marketing
new
Services,
all
the
way
to
servicing
residential
and
business
customers
when
when
outages
might
occur,
however,
option
C
is
also
the
option
where
the
city
contains
the
retains
the
most
control,
and
so
it's
extremely
high
opportunity,
ceiling
and
and
and
much
higher
opportunity
to
achieve
those
outcomes
than
the
other
two
options
just
because
of
the
control
Factor.
T
So
there's
a
lot
here:
we've
taken
those
three
approaches
again
and
within
each
approach
you
know,
like
I
said
there
are
a
large
number
of
variants.
Tonight's
discussion
is
really
intended
to
focus
on
Broad
approaches
and
and
just
get
staff
working
in
the
right
direction
into
one
or
or
multiple
of
these
of
these
approaches.
T
Again,
A,
B
and
C
option.
A
is
lowest
risk,
it's
also
the
lowest
cost,
but
it's
also
the
lowest
control,
as
you
can
see
on
the
bottom
of
the
chart
where
we've
outlined
the
ability
to
achieve
objectives,
it's
also
low
to
moderate
on
on
all
of
those
on
all
of
those
objectives.
T
Options,
B
and
C
to
the
right
here.
I
do
want
to
highlight
both
options:
B
and
option
C
could
include
option
A
and
that's
actually
what
we're
recommending
we're
recommending
option
b,
which
includes
option
A.
So
we
would
do
a
public
private
partnership
and
we
would
also
try
to
retain
the
ability
to
go
and
serve
residents
and
businesses
that
are
unserved
by
private
providers.
T
Approach.
B
introduces
additional
risk
for
the
city
as
we'd
actually
be
engaging
with
a
private
entity.
We'd
be
more
involved
in
the
internet
Marketplace.
However,
it's
it's
likely
that
the
cost
of
the
city
remain
quite
low
in
this
mod.
In
this
option,
we
do,
in
this
option,
substantially
increase
our
ability
to
influence
service
levels
and
the
affordability
across
the
city
approach.
C
is
again,
the
city
operated
internet
service
provider.
T
Think
about
this.
The
way
we
deliver
water
utility
today
think
about
this.
The
way
that
Longmont,
if
you're
familiar
with
the
Way
Longmont,
provides
internet
services
to
their
residents.
The
risk
here
is
the
highest
of
these
options.
It's
Again
by
far
the
highest
cost
option.
There
was
a
2018
estimate
that
was
done
for
the
city
of
Boulder.
T
It
showed
that
the
infrastructure
cost
would
be
over
100
million
dollars
and
again
that
was
in
2018,
so
we'd
anticipate
if
we
were
to
do
additional
research
on
this
model
that
that
number
would
be
more
than
100
million
dollars,
and
it
would
also
require
an
operating
Department
of
upwards
of
40
head
count
or
so,
according
to
that
analysis
in
2018
to
execute
this
model
again,
however,
the
the
the
the
the
the
the
control
the
opportunity
here
is
the
highest.
We
would
control
our
own
destiny
right.
We
decide
where
to
build.
T
We
decide
when
to
build.
We
decide
what
price
to
offer
to
retail
customers,
and
so
this
model
has
the
highest
scores
across
our
ability
to
achieve
the
objectives
at
the
bottom.
T
So,
just
to
wrap
up
here
we
can
move
on
to
the
next
slide.
We've
provided
a
sort
of
a
high
level,
notional
timeline
just
so
Council
has
an
idea
of
where
we
hope
to
go
over
the
next
year
or
so.
If
you
do
agree
to
pursue
approach
B
over
the
course
of
the
next
six
months,
we
would
be
conducting
some
some
pretty
deep
operation
model
analysis,
which
would
include
looking
at
our
funding
approach.
Looking
at
governance
models,
we
would
also
be
engaging
with
providers
in
this
space
via
a
public
procurement
process.
T
T
Again,
if
we
go
this
way,
we
intend
on
coming
back
to
council
for
another
study
session,
to
review
what
we
we
learn
over
the
next
six
months
likely
in
mid
to
late
summer,
which
would
then
set
us
up
to
drive
towards
decision
and
public
hearing
sometime
in
Q4.
More
than
one
and
next
slide.
T
So
I
won't
go
into
excruciating
detail
here,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
come
back
to
our
next
study
session,
with
the
appropriate
information
to
start
driving
us
towards
the
final
decision.
So
I
would
ask
that,
in
addition
to
our
three
questions
to
council
tonight
that
you,
you
absolutely
weigh
in
here,
if
there
are
other
pieces
of
information
that
would
be
important
to
know
about
this
selected
approach
or
approaches
that
we
can
collect
before
our
next
study
session
with
you.
T
I
do
want
to
highlight
that,
for
our
recommendation
of
approach
a
and
b,
you
would
hopefully
see
us
back
here
in
late
summer.
That's
what
we
would
plan
on.
We
would
come
back
to
you
with
a
notional
analysis
of
how
we
would
allocate
our
backbone
capacity
that
model
that
Tim
showed
with
a
little
bit
more
rigor
around
it.
We
would
be
showing
an
analysis
of
City
cost.
T
If
Council
does
wish
for
staff
to
also
explore
approach
c,
we
will
for
sure
need
more
time,
we'd
likely
bring
in
a
consultant
to
help
support
our
re-analysis,
if
you
will,
of
of
both
capital
and
operating
costs
and
a
timeline
of
such
an
Endeavor,
so
we'd
likely
be
back
to
council
a
bit
later
in
2023,
if,
if
that
is
the
case,
and
the
last
slide
just
next
steps
over
the
next
six
months,
as
Tim
mentioned,
we'll
be
wrapping
construction
of
the
canyon
and
Table
Mesa
rings
of
the
backbone
we'll
be
conducting
our
backbone
use
strategy
analysis.
T
This
operating
model
analysis
that
I
mentioned
and
we'll
be
doing.
Engagement
with
private
providers
assuming
model
B
is
our
approach.
B
is
a
is
an
approach
that
is
of
interest
to
council
and
with
that
I
thank
Council
for
for
their
time
and
open
it
up
to
any
questions.
T
B
Thanks
so
much
Megan,
thank
you
Tim,
for
the
presentation
really
appreciate
that
I
am
going
to
kind
of
pop
some
questions
into
the
chat,
but
Mark
does
need
to
leave
us
very
soon.
So
Mark
I'm
going
to
give
you
the
liberty
of
commenting
and
questioning
all
at
once.
Everybody
else
I'm
going
to
ask
that
we
follow
the
format
in
the
chat
which
is.
Do
you
have
any
questions
on
the
presentation
and
then
heading
into
the
questions
posed
in
the
memo?
B
Do
we
have
any
questions
on
work
completed
to
date
and
then
we'll
get
into
some
comments
and
questions.
K
T
R
I'm
happy
to
to
jump
in
and,
as
we
were,
studying
in
the
2018
time
frame,
the
communities
that
have
been
successful
in
deploying
Municipal,
Broadband
or
or
essentially
City
run
Internet
Services.
R
We
started
to
see
a
very
common
pattern
amongst
those
and
it's
communities
that
had
their
own
electric
utility,
because
that
electric
utility
had
had
likely
invested
in
fiber
infrastructure
in
the
community
a
long
time
ago
and
they
were
able
to
leverage
that
infrastructure
to
get
started,
and
that
is
a
big
part
of
how
Longmont
has
been
so
successful.
Is
they
were
able
to
leverage
their
electric
utility
fiber,
expand
on
that
and
then
build
out
into
the
neighborhoods
at
a
cost-effective
measure.
R
Fort
Collins,
the
exact
same
thing
doesn't
mean
you
can't
do
it
and
we
did
that
analysis.
But
it's
part
of
what
also
led
us
to
making
the
decision
of
building
the
backbone
is
every
community
that
was
successful,
started
with
a
backbone
in
place
and
that
backbone
was
a
bit
of
a
no
regrets
decision.
It
can
be
leveraged
for
so
many
things
and
as
Mike
referenced,
just
even
connecting
our
traffic
signals
to
fiber
sets
us
up
for
better
timing
in
the
future.
R
When
cars
start
talking
to
the
traffic
signals,
they're
going
to
be
set
up
ready
to
go
so
we're
positioned
in
a
great
place,
no
matter
what
choice
we
go
down
next,
but
that's
that's
how
some
of
the
communities
that
have
done
Municipal
internet
were
so
successful.
Thank.
K
You
Chris,
because
I
look
at
a
hundred
million
dollars
and
I
say
that
that's
not
a
number
we
can
afford
unless
we
want
to
utilize
a
a
very
large
percentage
of
our
remaining
bonding
capacity
and
I
suspect.
We
have
other
needs
for
that
as
well.
K
K
But
those
providers
would
have
the
right
to
use
the
the
the
fiber
Network
or
they
would
have
to
provide
it
as
they
provided
today.
So.
T
K
Just
so
I'm
clear,
you
know
if
it
were
Century
Link
Comcast
could
still
provide
services
to
say
to
me,
but
it
wouldn't
be
through
this
network.
K
T
In
this
hypothetical
I
think
it
would
encourage
them
to
invest
more
in
their
own
privately
owned.
Fiber
Network,
yeah,
okay,.
K
How
large,
if
we
decided
to
go
for
option
C
a
larger
Department,
would
we
have
to
stand
up
in
order
to
operate
this
system?
Do
we
have
any
sense
of
that?
The.
T
Analysis
from
2018
came
up
with
about
42
head
count.
We
would
look
at
that
again
if,
if
that
was
council's
desire,
but
that's
the
estimate
right
now
as.
K
I,
as
I
have
to
leave
I
will
I
will
simply
give
the
following
comment,
which
is
you
know
everybody
would
like
to
see
a
city-owned
system
given
the
expense
given
the
risk,
given
the
obvious
impact
it's
going
to
have
on
our
financing
capabilities
going
forward
if
we
can
get
a
good
product
through
option
b,
I
think
that
makes
the
most
sense
for
us
today.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
we'll
still
have
a
fiber
Network
system
and
I
think
it
would
make
I'd
rather
have
someone
to
blame.
K
We
don't,
and
if
you
see
what
happens
when
we
have.
Obviously
we
won't
have
this
problem
with
an
underground
system,
but
you
know
you
can
see
what
happens
when
we
have
large
snowfalls
and
power
goes
out
and
and
the
like,
larger
providers
can
bring
in
people
from
elsewhere
and
repair
something
much
faster
than
we
would
be
able
to
do
on
our
own.
So
I
am
a
an
option
b.
Advocate
and
on
that
note,
I'm
going
to
say
good
night
and
I
apologize
for
having
to
leave
early
but
good
night.
All
thank
you.
B
Thanks
so
much
for
being
here,
Mark
thanks
for
all
your
comments,
all
right
for
everyone
else,
I'm
going
to
ask
that
we
follow
the
structure
first,
just
asking
clarifying
questions.
So
if
you
have
clarifying
questions
on
the
presentation,
now
is
the
time
to
ask
those.
H
Yeah
I
do
have
a
clarifying
question
on
the
presentation,
because
I
don't
I,
think
we
started
in
the
middle
of
the
story,
so
I'd
like
to
have
Council
have
the
benefit
of
the
first
three
chapters
of
the
story,
which
were
skipped
over
I
know
that
staff
has
some
back
pocket,
slides
and
I'd
ask
if
staff
could
present
those
as
well,
because
we
started
the
history
of
the
universe
at
2018
and
and
of
course,
this
history
on
broadband
with
the
city
started
in
2015,
and
a
lot
of
things
happened
in
2015,
16
and
17,
which
I
think
could
have
an
impact
on
his
decision.
H
That
Council
makes
now
on
option,
A,
B
or
C,
and
so
I
think
it
would
be
of
benefit
to
councils,
especially
those
who
weren't
here
in
2015
and
16
and
17,
to
hear
what
did
happen
and
how
we
did
try
an
option
b
in
2000
16
and
how
that
didn't
go
so
well,
because
it
sounds
the
way
it
was
presented
tonight.
It
sounded
like.
H
Oh,
let's
just
see
if
there's
Partners
out
there
and
we've
actually
been
down
this
path
before
so,
could
I
ask
if
staff
could
go
to
the
back
pocket,
slides
and
actually
present
the
15,
16
and
17
history
before
we
start
talking
about
what
to
do
from
an
18
base.
B
Yeah
and
I
was
just
asked
staff
if
it's
possible
to
keep
it
to
like
no
more
than
five
minutes
just
so
we
can
try
to
stay
on
target
tonight.
Thank
you.
T
R
Yep
happy
to
and
as
as
Bob
referenced
yeah,
there
is
more
history
here
and
it
actually
goes
back
even
further
that
there's
a
state
law
that
prohibits
local
municipalities
from
engaging
in
the
Internet
space
and
we
had
to
exempt
ourselves
from
that
state
law.
But
really
the
the
Intensive
effort
started
in
2015
2016
with
really
exploring
there
was
a
community
working
group
Bob.
You
were
significantly
involved
in
that
as
a
council
member
and
we
explored
lots
of
different
approaches.
R
We
had
a
consultant
on
board
to
really
help
us
explore.
We
did
an
RFP
for
for
partners.
We
narrowed
that
to
three
did
further
analysis
and
then
had
narrowed
to
one
and
I.
Think
and
Bob.
Correct
me.
If
I've
got
my
history
wrong
here,
I
think
it
was
the
week
of
the
council
meeting
that
provider
came
to
us
and
said
I
think
we're
out
there's
a
change
in
our
business
model.
R
We're
no
longer
going
to
be
in
this
space
and
so
that
kind
of
pulled
us
to
a
bit
of
a
full
stop
to
step
back
and
re-look
at
what
do
we
want
to
do
here?
R
There
really
weren't
any
other
good
partners
that
were
that
were
out
there
at
the
time
that
could
potentially
meet
all
of
the
objectives
we
wanted
to
meet.
So
that's
when
we
did
further
business
analysis,
looked
at
different
options.
That's
when
we
really
dug
into
this
approach
of
starting
with
a
backbone,
and
that
was
the
decision
of
then
to
proceed
with
the
city
investment
in
the
the
construction
of
the
backbone.
R
So
that's
the
quick
overview
and
Bob
all
happy
to
look
to
you
to
see
if
there's
any
key
aspects
that
I
missed
on
that.
H
H
If
you
don't
I'll
answer
my
own
question,
because
Mark
referred
to
Comcast
and
CenturyLink,
which
are
the
principal
incumbents
right
now
that
provide
kind
of
the
low
speed,
fiber
connect
well
non-fiber
the
low
speed
internet
connections
to
most
of
the
businesses
and
residents
in
town
and
I
believe
in
to
create
me
if
I'm
wrong
Chris
in
2016,
when
we
did
do
an
RFP
and
we
were
looking
for
partners
I,
believe
that
both
Comcast
and
CenturyLink
either
didn't
bid
or
they
provided
non-compliant
bids.
H
R
Is
correct
and
the
the
I
think
as
we've
referenced
in
the
presentation,
then,
when
the
city
began
and
made
the
decision
to
build
the
backbone,
both
Comcast
and
CenturyLink
proceeded
to
make
pretty
significant
investments
in
their
networks
in
the
city
they
deployed
essentially
converting
more
of
their
copper
cables
to
fiber
cable,
so
what
they
call
fiber
deep
that
essentially
enables
faster
internet
speeds.
So
they've
made
a
pretty
significant
investment,
as
Tim
talked
about.
R
There's
super
interesting
research
happening
actually
here
and
in
Boulder
County
cable
labs
to
try
and
make
faster
internet
speeds
occur
over
cable.
We
were
just
learning
today
from
Comcast,
actually
that
they
they're
they're
testing,
10
gigabit
speeds
over
cable.
So
there's
there's
lots
of
interesting
research
happening
there,
but
we
still
have
essentially
the
same
two
incumbent
providers
right
now
in
the
community.
H
Yes,
great
thanks
Chris.
That
was
my
recollection
as
well.
So
I
do
have
a
couple
of
looking
forward
questions.
We
talked
a
little
bit
about
option
b
and
option.
C
and
Mike
I
got
your
point
about.
H
If,
if
we,
if
we
were
to
pick
option
b
right
now,
you
guys
could
probably
come
back
to
us
with
some
response
after
you've
talked
to
potential
providers,
whether
that's
Comcast
and
CenturyLink,
core
or
the
three,
or
that
we
talked
to
back
in
2016-17,
or
maybe
some
other
people
that
are
out
there
now,
but
but
I
think
you
also
were
helpful,
Mike
and
and
point
out
that
option,
but
going
down
the
path
of
exploring
option
b
doesn't
foreclose
option
C.
Is
that
right.
T
T
Path
again
and
find
that
the
options
to
the
city
just
aren't
aren't
attractive.
H
Right,
no,
that's
kind
of
what
I
assumed
as
well
and
I
know
that
if
we
were
to
pick
option
C
right
now,
you
said
you
need
a
little
bit
more
time,
which
is
understandable
if
we
did
option.
If
we
ask
you
guys
a
bit
on
the
path
of
option
b
tonight,
presumably
we
get
some
free
looks
and
some
some
good
healthy
information
that
would
help
us
make
a
decision
in
the
late
summer
about
whether
we
wanted
to
go
down
the
option.
H
The
path
of
B
and
C
is
am
I,
assuming
correctly
that
that
responses
from
whoever
you
wish
the
RFP
to
would
be
helpful
to
inform
a
possible
option.
C
alternative
would
be
decided
to
go
down
that
path.
H
H
So
I
can
see
what
you
scared
off
Mark,
but
I
want
to
understand
why
you
think
it's
very
high
risk,
because
I
I
see
the
Alternatives
between
B
and
C
is
largely
financing
Alternatives.
So
I'm
going
to
give
you
kind
of
a
multiple
choice
answer
here.
Maybe
it's
it's
neither
one
and
you
can
give
me
a
third
choice-
is-
is
option
C,
that
is
the
city
building
out
the
fiber
Network
and
operating
it.
Is
that
cons?
H
Do
you
considered
a
very
high
risk
because
it's
a
risk
over
the
over
estimating
the
cost
to
build?
That?
Is
we
estimated
at
100
million
or
120
million?
It
ends
up
being
a
lot
more
or
is
it
or
do
you
consider
high
risk
because
you're
worried
that
our
take
you
know
you're
familiar
with
the
term,
take
rate
Mike
right,
yep,
okay,
so
take
rates
just
how
many
subscribers
you
have,
and
you
have
to
make
an
assumption
about
how
many
subscribers
will
sign
up
to
your
service.
H
So
you
can
kind
of
figure
out
whether
you
have
enough
Revenue
to
pay
your
your
debt
and
your
expenses,
so
is.
Is
your
your
concern
that
it's
very
high
risk
that
will
make
a
bad
assumption?
Take
rate
will
think
it's
going
to
be
50
of
the
community
and
only
30
subscribe,
or
something
like
that
which
of
those
two
causes
this
to
be
a
very
high
risk,
the
the
cost
to
build
estimate
or
the
or
or
a
misguess,
on
the
take
rate.
T
So
I'll
start
and
I'll
ask
Tim
to
maybe
add
some
of
his
thoughts.
Just
because
he's
seen
this
in
other
communities
as
well,
I
I,
would
say
it's
it's
Part,
B
and
then
part
C,
which
is
one
I'm
going
to
Define
for
you,
Bob,
which
is
we're
not
in
this
business.
T
The
the
city
is
not
in
this
business
today
we
don't
have
the
expertise
in
houses,
so
there's
a
there's
a
whole
long
list
of
really
high
risk
things
that
we
have
to
do
right
around
procuring
staff
to
do
this
around
just
how
we're
going
to
do
this
as
a
city
staff,
so
I
think
it's
probably
more
that
c
a
little
bit
of
B
and
certainly
there's
some
uncertainty
into
the
estimates
of
the
capital
cost
right
now,
just
because
we
have
to
do
more
research,
that's
what
I
think
Tim
I'd
love
your
perspective
on
it.
S
Yeah
and
then
I
would
agree
with
most
of
that.
I
certainly
think
the
capital
cost
will
be
significantly
higher
than
100
million.
You
know,
we've
learned
a
lot
about.
You
know
the
the
last
60
miles
of
of
getting
fiber
in
the
ground
in
the
city
and
all
the
rock
and
obviously
with
a
lot
of
you
know,
issues
around
materials,
so
it
will
be
significantly
higher
than
100
million.
S
S
And
and
how
does
it
you
know
dovetail
into
you
know:
Smart
City,
applications
and
services
to
so
I
I
think,
ideally,
that's
kind
of
where
we
we
want.
We
want
it
to
go,
but
obviously
yeah.
The
the
first
step
is:
is
building
the
infrastructure
getting
the
take
rate
and
and
having
an
applicable
Finance
model
that
that
isn't
doesn't
fall
apart.
If
you
get
20
instead
of
23
pay
grade.
H
Yeah,
that's
helpful
guys
is
there?
Is
there
a
hybrid
between
B
and
C,
because
I
know,
you
guys
focused
a
lot
in
responding
to
my
last
question
about
the
ability
to
actually
operate
the
internet
service
provider?
Is
there
a
is
there
a
hybrid
where,
between
B
and
C,
where
the
city
owns
the
infrastructure
finances
the
build
out,
but
then
brings
in
an
operator
not
not
to
own
the
fiber
not
to
finance
it
but
actually
operate
the
ISP?
H
So
I
know
you,
you
mentioned
a
concern
about
the
you
know,
Staffing
up
and
the
fact
that
we
don't
know
how
to
run
this
and
I.
Guess.
Longmont
and
Fort
Collins
in
Loveland
have
figured
it
out,
but
maybe
they're
smarter
than
we
are
I,
don't
know
I,
don't
know
why
we
think
we're
down.
But
apparently
we
we're
concerned
about
that
is.
Is
it
possible
that
we
could
bring
somebody
in
maybe
even
one
of
those
cities
to
operate
the
ISP
for
us
I.
S
I
can
take
a
crack
of
that.
My
it
I
think
that
type
of
discussion
can
can
absolutely
come
out
of
conversations.
We
have
around
option
b.
S
You
know
I,
think,
there's
lots
of
flavors
of
what
that
P3
partnership
could
look
like
the
the
the
the
issue
and
just
adding
to
what
Chris
said
about
the
long
months,
because
it's
it's
you
know
it's
long
month.
It's
Loveland,
it's
Fort
Collins
right.
S
Yes,
they
have
the
capacity
because
they
have
the
electric
utility,
but
they
also
have
a
different
model,
which
is
as
predominantly
aerial
because
they
own
the
polls
in
Boulder
we're
100
underground,
because
we
don't
own
the
polls
and
we
don't,
and
even
if
we
do
down
the
road
which
I
know
has
been
an
ongoing
discussion,
you
know
we
don't
own
them
everywhere
across
the
city.
So
poll
ownership
is
also
a
big
issue
and
in
all
those
three
cities
they
they
own
nipples
right.
H
A
H
Okay,
that's
fine!
That
sounds
like
it's
more
like
a
cost,
as
opposed
to
know
how
I
want
to
move
on
a
little
bit,
because
we,
you
guys,
talked
about
the
risk,
whether
it's
a
risk
of
badly
estimating
the
risk
of
of
estimating
the
take
rate
wrong
or
a
risk
of
just
not
knowing
what
we're
doing.
H
Wouldn't
a
partner
have
some
of
those
risks
as
well.
In
other
words,
if
we're
saying
Jesus,
we
wouldn't
touch
that
with
a
10-foot
pole,
because
it's
a
lot
of
money
and
we
don't
know
what
the
take
rate's
going
to
be.
Isn't
a
partner
going
to
have
the
same
concern
I
mean
didn't
we
have
that
same
problem
in
2017
when
we
couldn't
find
a
partner.
S
Yeah
I
mean
they'll
they'll
be
taking
the
in
in
in,
in
the
basic
model
of
option
b,
as
I
said,
there's
there
could
be
various
flavors
off
it,
but
in
the
basic
model
of
option
b
the
partner
we
we
would
be
looking
towards
the
partner
to
take
the
market
risk
of
of
the
take
rate
again,
I
feel
like
since
the
conversations
that
Chris
was
alluding
to
in
2018
or
2017.
S
When
that
original
model
didn't
work,
it
was
very
much
built
on
internet,
take
great
only
and
I
think
now
the
Market's
moving
to
a
market
where
it's
more
than
just
about
the
Triple
Play
It's
about
the
longer
term.
As
I
said
these,
you
know
how
do
they
look
to
offer
other
applications
and
services
that
can
be
potentially
new
revenue
streams
for
that
partner?
That
again,
may
maybe
a
service
for
the
city
too
or
may
not,
but
those
those
newer
partners
are
looking
at
the
best
ways
that
they
can
Finance
this
type
of
infrastructure
investment.
S
You've
absolutely
got
infrastructure
groups
now
that
you
know
traditionally
do
tollways
and
and
or
real
systems
that
are
looking
at.
You
know
the
infrastructure
investment
for
fiber
and
looking
at
that
as
a
30-year
type,
fiber
investment,
but
then
often
with
that
type
of
partner,
they
are
working
with
the
more
creative
applications
and
services
Partners.
So
how
does
this
new
infrastructure
be
financed
correctly,
be
maintained
correctly,
but
offer
new
and
existing
applications
and
services?
Over
and
above
you
know,
the
basic
stuff
you
expect
to
see
on
home
internet,
for
instance,.
H
Okay,
that's
good
Tim
I'll
pause
there
and
turn
into
my
colleagues.
I'll
probably
come
up
with
comments
later
thanks.
B
Thanks
Bob,
all
right,
so
clarifying
questions
on
the
presentation
or
the
work
completed
to
date
or
the
current
Broadband
ecosystem
met
all
right.
J
P
All
right
thanks
Matt,
so
a
couple
questions.
First,
on
the
slide
and
in
the
presentation
where
it
shows
the
backbone,
Loops
I,
think
I,
know
the
answer,
but
just
want
to
make
sure
you
don't
have
to
be
inside
the
loops
to
to
get
quality
service
right,
there's
a
fair
number
of
residences
which
are
going
to
be
outside
those
loops
and
I'm
I'm.
P
S
P
Okay,
thanks
next
question
is
on
previous
engagement.
This
feels
like
a
pretty
big
fork
in
the
road,
and
while
this
does
not
have
like
the
big
environmental
impact,
I
think
that
the
the
muni
issue
had.
We
did
see
that
there's
a
a
pretty
large
interest
in
community
members
for
city-owned
utilities.
Generally
speaking,
I'm
just
wondering
what
what
the
engagement
has
looked
like.
P
Okay,
I'll
hold
that
for
for
comments,
then,
and
then
I'm
sorry.
This
might
be
a
little
bit.
P
Duplicative
of
some
of
what
Bob
was
asking,
which
was
some
of
that
was
I,
think
a
little
bit
over
my
head
on
technical
stuff,
but
we
we
saw
that
slide
with
like
the
the
backbone
that
was
a
highway,
and
then
you
had
the
side
streets
that
were
I,
don't
know
a
different
type
of
of
fiber
Outreach
and
then
driveways,
which
was
like
the
equivalent
of
the
internet
coming
right
into
your
house,
and
so
the
the
fiber
laterals
I
think,
is
what
it
was
called.
P
I'm
I'm
not.
This
is
not
an
area
of
expertise
for
me
5G,
but
with
new
5G
technology
rolling
out
and
whatever
is
going
to
come
after
that.
Do
we
really
need
fiber
to
roll
into
everyone's
home,
with
these
laterals
or
like
is
the
100
million
dollars
that
was
anticipated
for
getting
fiber
to
reach
every
house
still
going
to
be
needed
in
20
50.
P
S
So
so
let
me
answer
it
specifically
like
on
the
5G
questions.
So
so,
basically,
you
know
5G
as
I
think
most
because
I've
been
answering
that
topic
for
three
or
four
years.
You
know
it's
been
a
really
good
kind
of
marketing
Story
by
by
all
your
all
the
wireless
carriers.
S
It
is
available
in
certain
what
we
call
NFL
cities
in
certain
places
and
stuff
and
I'm
sure
at
some
point,
it'll
be
available
in
certain
areas
in
Boulder.
It
kind
of
goes
back
to
to
the
same
issue
of
of
the
situation,
we're
in
where
we
have
sort
of
two
incumbents
today
and
we
don't
really
have
any
control
or
influence
over
where
they
build
and
what
they
offer
in
the
in
the
wireless
world
with
the
cellular
carriers.
It's
the
same
thing
like
we.
S
We
won't
be
able
to
tell
them
where
to
offer
5G
or
you
know
if
they
do
it
on
Pearl
Street.
Only
then
what
about
everybody
else
in
the
city
that
you
know
can't
get
access
to
5G?
So
you
know,
5G
is
coming
it's
evolving
and,
and
it
is
a
definitely
a
a
faster
you
know,
play
for
for
your
cell
phone,
but
you
know
I
I.
It
is
not
meant
as
a
technology
to
replace
home
broadband.
S
That's
for
sure,
and
really
the
purpose
of
this
is
how
do
we
get
fiber
deeper
in
our
community,
to
businesses,
to
premises
and
and
actually
the
fiber
that
the
city
owns.
You
know
down
the
road
if,
if
the
console
ever
wanted
to
support
it,
your
5G
Wireless
Technologies
are
reliant
on
that
fiber
to
transport
traffic
around
the
city
and
out
of
the
city.
So
ultimately
the
fiber
asset
itself,
you
know,
could
one
day
support
further
Wireless
Technologies
such
as
5G,
if
console
ever
decided.
That
was
a
pathway
that
I
wanted
to
go
on.
P
So
we
don't
see
thanks
for
that.
We
don't
see
something
coming
down
the
pike
that
will
make
it
so
that
all
you
really
need
is
a
backbone,
and
then
you
won't
need
fiber
or
some
sort
of
brown
bed
and
Broadband
going
into
each
house,
because
that
again
lame.
But
I
have
read
that
like
we
should
be
able
to
sort
of
blast
off
of
something.
That's
nearby
us.
Unfortunately,.
S
Unfortunately,
not
there
are
a
couple
of
cities
that
have
done
creative,
Wireless
Solutions
again,
not
to
every
premise
by
any
stretch
of
imagination,
but
let's
say
they
have
a
certain
area
of
their
city
that
they
want
to
low
income
or
something,
and
they
want
to
do
some
sort
of
high-speed
Wireless
and
and
they've
had
fiber
assets.
To
do
that,
they've
been
able
to
put
that
together
and
make
that
work.
But
again
it
wouldn't
be
a
city-wide
strategy
and
it
wouldn't
you
run
into
other
issues
such
as
you
know.
S
We've
talked
about
polls
earlier
as
well.
You
know,
Wireless
is
is
requires
high
visibility,
you
know
so
you
again
you're
talking
about
then
new
towers
to
host
host.
You
know
wireless
equipment
that
has
to
be
at
certain
Heights
or
on
certain
roofs
and
people
don't
want
that.
So
it's
it
gets
messy
and
and
again
it
certainly
wouldn't
be
a
city-wide
solution,
but
in
any
means,
okay,.
B
All
right,
thank
you.
Rachel
Lauren,
I
think
you're
up
next.
N
Thanks
Nicole,
so
when
you
were
talking
about
goals,
you
mentioned
that
it
was
important
to
have
really
clearly
defined
goals.
In
my
mind,
net
neutrality
is
something
that
is
clearly
defined,
not
just
within
the
city,
but
is
this
kind
of
an
idea
that
is
broadly
accepted
as
clearly
defined
and
so
I'm
wondering
what
would
be
the
harm
of
keeping
that
as
a
goal,
and
why
would
we
want
to
move
away
from
that.
T
T
We
obviously
still
believe
very
strongly
that
that's
a
very
important
piece
to
having
a
free
and
open
internet
for
everybody.
What
we've
seen
since
that
ruling
from
the
SEC
is
is
not
any
sort
of
hiking
of
rates
and
in
certain
parts
of
the
internet,
and
so
it
just
it
has
become
less
of
a
issue
just
based
on
the
the
experience
that
we've
had
since
that
FCC
ruling
in
2018,
and
we
believe
that
it's
very
well
captured
under
competitive
market.
We
believe
it's
very
important.
N
N
N
T
Yeah
and,
to
some
extent,
we're
actually
already
operating
in
this
model
a
little
bit.
We
have
a
couple
agreements
with
partners
of
the
city
that
are
executing
government
services
on
behalf
of
the
city
that
we're
doing
this
for
they're,
just
in
areas
that
run
near
our
our
backbone
or
other
fiber
infrastructure
that
we
already
have
assets
that
we
have
and
we're
able
to
provide
them
service.
The
same
way,
we
provide
our
our
city
facilities,
internet
service.
So
we're
doing
this
in
a
very,
very
small
scope.
T
Today,
what
we've
proposed
here
as
approach
a
is
we
sh?
We
need
to
more
clearly
Define
how
we
would
take
folks
into
into
that
model,
how
we
would
take
residence
and
or
organizations
or
businesses
into
that,
and
and
what
the
funding
model
would
look
like
for
that
and
just
how
we
would
prioritize
one
over
the
other.
S
I
think
very
small,
though,
just
because
of
the
fact
that
you
could
only
really
tactically
do
it
from
where
the
backbone
is
today,
because
C
still
requires
those
sub
Loops,
all
those
side
streets
that
we
talked
about
all
those
driveways.
Whereas
option
A
is
just
maybe
a
like
we're
doing
a
connection
to
build
a
rescue
facility
as
an
example
which
which
you
could
serve
easily
with
the
dedicated
fiber
connection,
but
not
to
like
a
community
or
a
cul-de-sac
of
residence,
or
something
would
be
very
different.
N
So
that's
a
great
transition
into
my
next
question,
which
is
sort
of
about
the
proportionality
of
costs.
So
how
like
really
ballpark?
What
do
we
think
the
costs
are
of
the
backbone
versus
the
laterals
and
drops
versus
providing
the
internet
service
like
as
a
proportion
of
the
total
cost,
is
the
backbone
10
and
laterals
are
80,
and
so
you
know
like
what?
What
kind?
What
does
that
look
like.
T
I
can
start
and
Tim.
You
can
probably
add
a
little
bit
more
detail
here,
the
the
backbone
price
we
were
budgeted
for
20
million
dollars
for
that
I
believe
we're
going
to
come
in
a
little
under
budget
or
that's
the
forecast
right
now,
maybe
by
a
million
or
two.
T
The
estimates
in
2018
were
that
the
laterals
and
and
drops
to
premise
would
be
over
a
hundred
million
dollars.
So
a
little
bit
more
than
80
percent
of
that
Tim
I,
don't
know
if
you
have
any
additional
detail.
S
Yeah
I
mean
I,
I.
Think
I.
Think
that's
that's.
You
know
a
fair
summary.
Obviously
you
know
a
portion
of
the
the
the
driveways
or
or
the
drops
are,
are
based
on
take
rate
right.
So
you
don't
build
a
hundred
percent
of
those
drops.
You
build.
You
know
the
30
or
40
that
say
they're
going
to
take
the
service,
and
then
you
you
incur
the
cost
to
do
the
drop
to
them
once
they
say
they're
taking
service
but
I.
Think
at
a
high
level.
That's
good.
S
You
know,
obviously,
even
during
the
backbone
project,
we've
seen
a
significant
change
in
materials
during
the
project.
As
you
know,
as
we
went
through
all
these
supply
issues
around
the
world,
so
so
that
would
be
something
would
would
need
to
also
be
cautious
of,
and
then
I
think.
The
other
factor
is
is
just
that:
fiber
construction
or
or
infrastructure
construction.
Just
for
the
next
five
to
ten
years,
you
know,
especially
in
Colorado,
is,
is
a
very
busy
activity.
S
Space
and
a
lot
of
contractors
are
just
booked
they're,
just
booked
on
other
builds
and
other
projects.
So
it's
it's
a
very
competitive
space
and
with
all
that
Federal
funding
coming
that's
going
to
like
for
the
next
five
to
ten
years,
foreign.
S
Yeah
and
I
can
start
Mike
I
mean
that's
a
great
question
and
and
really
that
sort
of
get
the
detail
of
what
the
potential
partnership
could
look
like.
You
know,
I
feel
that
you
know
with
any
type
with
any
type
of
partnership.
You
would
have
certain
expected
service
levels
where
you
would
want
the
opportunity
to
look
to
regain
regain
that
infrastructure,
but
but
to
answer
your
question,
I
think
the
simplest
way
to
think
of
who
actually
pays
and
owns
the
rest
of
the
infrastructure.
S
So
the
the
side
streets
and
the
driveways
that
we're
talking
about
are
the
drops,
the
the
the
simplest
way
to
think
about.
It
would
be
that
the
partner
that
we
would
select
would
be
making
that
capital
investment
to
build,
that
portion
of
the
infrastructure,
and
obviously
that
means
they
own
that
infrastructure.
But
then
the
question
would
really
become
so
in
the
in
the
details
of
the
of
the
partnership.
You
know
what
happens
if
they
don't
perform.
S
S
In
some
cases
the
the
infrastructure
will
will
remain
there
and
they
leave
town
and
it's
just
a
stranded
asset,
that's
underground,
but
but
obviously
yeah.
That
would
take
some
thought,
I.
Think
of
the
partnership
stage.
B
L
T
L
L
Yeah
I
saw
that
the
estimate
to
be
138
million
for
option
C
and
then
I
saw
option
b.
It
just
give
more
details
as
opposed
to
a
number,
but
okay,
that's
fine.
My
question
to
you
is:
will
there
be
cost
recuperation
with
the
various
partners,
because
I
was
looking
at
the
give
me
a
second
I'm
looking
at
the
memo
and
it
talks
about
the
different
Partners
right
you
talk,
there
is
the
commute
in
the
pie.
Chart
there's
the
community.
L
There
is
the
purple
which
is
CD
services
and
then
and
the
blue
Shades
there
is
rtdcu
and
then
there
is
maybe
BHP
with
affordable
housing.
So
I'm
trying
to
understand
will
there
be
some
cost
recuperation
as
part
of
that
process.
T
Yeah,
that's
a
good
question
and
I
just
want
to
be
really
really
clear
on
on
sort
of
our
costs
across
the
the
two
options
B
and
C.
C
is
the
one
that
you
noted
Juni.
It's
it's
north
of
100
million
dollars
is
the
2018
estimate
in
option
b.
Our
expectation
is
that
the
private
partner
would
take
on
the
bulk
of
the
capital
costs,
and
so
the
city
capital
cost
would
be
closer
to
zero
on
on
that
scale.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
was.
That
was
really
clear.
T
It's
your
question
on
how
we
would
recoup
costs.
Certainly
we
don't
have
specific
answers
to
how
we
would
do
that
today,
but
certainly
that
would
be
something
we
could
explore.
The
notional
chart
that
you
saw
in
the
presentation
that
kind
of
outlines
how
we
would
use
some
of
the
the
fiber
backbone
capacity
for
City,
Services
and
Partnerships,
and
then
Community
Broadband.
Those
are
completely
notional
in
nature
and
and
not
on
anything.
T
That's
been
etched
in
stone,
but
certainly
if
we
were
to
enter
are
into
some
sort
of
agreement
with
RTD
or
CU
or
another
organization
that
had
use
for
our
fiber.
We
would
certainly
talk
about
with
them.
How
that
funding
model
would
look.
L
Yeah
and
I
think
maybe
my
other
question,
for
you
too
is,
and
you
may
not
have
the
answer
right
now,
I'm
looking
at
it
and
I'm
thinking,
do
we
have
a
cd-wide
problem
when
it
comes
to
access
to
broadband
I
mean
that
is
something
again
when
we're
thinking
of
equity.
That
is
very
important
when
we're
thinking
of
communities,
especially
in
the
time
of
covid
but
I'm,
still
wondering
I
can
understand
providing
services
to
communities
and
businesses
that
doesn't
have
that
access,
but
I'm,
not
sure
if
this
is
a
city-wide
issue.
T
I'm
not
sure
I
would
characterize
it
accessibility
as
a
city-wide
issue.
There
are
certainly
areas
of
the
city
that
do
not
have
access
to
even
cable
based
internet
fiber-based
internet
is
not
very
accessible
in
the
city
of
Boulder.
The
private
provider
penetration
of
fiber
infrastructure
in
the
city
is
is
quite
limited.
Yeah.
J
Thanks
Nicole
I
see
Lauren
wants
to
use
cert
my
cleanup
status,
so
that's
all
good.
J
So
actually
I'll
switch
my
questions
around
because
I
want
to
sort
of
piggyback
a
little
bit
on
what
where
the
direction
Judy
was
going.
You
know
my
question
was
really
going
to
be.
Have
we
identified
the
need
in
the
community
that
that
we
really
need
to
provide
something?
That's
missing
and
I
hear
that
there
are
folks,
but
but
who
are
they
how
many
I'm,
trying
to
one
I
I'd
like
to
know?
J
Are
we
talking
about
800
people
or
8
000
people
that
are
missing
connection,
because
wanting
to
bridge
that
digital
divide
I
know
is
a
big
focus
in
rural
communities
for
obvious
reasons?
But
what
is
that
digital
divide
here?
I
just
I'd
love
to
know
what
that
is,
I,
don't
know,
I
see,
Lauren,
maybe
saying
that
that
was
the
question
she
was
gonna,
ask
so
sweet.
J
We
can
stay
clean
up,
so
I
just
I
think
that's
really
critical
for
us
to
know
so
that,
depending
on
what
option
we
choose,
we
know
what
we're
serving,
but
then
also
the
Bob's
original
question
to
bring
It
full
circle.
We
also
know
what
that
sort
of
base
of
customer
need
is
in
order
to
sort
of
have
a
baseline
of
whether
the
numbers
are
going
to
work.
So
I'd
really
like
to
know
that
need
of
of
who's
not
being
served
in
that
capacity
and
and
that
going
forward.
S
J
Other
question
I
have
so
it's
a
comment,
slash
question,
but
it's
really
just
a
follow-up.
That's
a
critical
piece,
the
other
one
that
I
have
is
Bob
was
asking
about
sort
of.
Can
we
do
option
b
and
remain
open
to
doing
C?
Well,
my
question
is
what
if
we
started
at
a
does
that
become
mutually
exclusive
of
B
or
C
down
the
road
if
we
were
to
really
sort
of
walk
before,
but
you
know
crawl
before
we
run
sort
of
speak,
can
we
do
a
and
then
eventually
say?
T
Thanks
Matt
I'll
start
with
your
first
question
on
who's
not
being
served
so
I,
don't
have
an
exact
number.
I
know
Chris.
If
you
have
an
exact
number
of
households
or
not
it's
it's
a
very
small
number,
but
I
don't
know
if
you
have
the
exact
number.
R
I,
don't
have
an
exact
number.
What
I
can
share
is
when
we
were
doing
the
the
backbone
work
we
were
able
to
to
get
access
to
CenturyLink
and
Comcast
very
detailed
Network
designs
on
that
they
shared
with
us
and
what
it
showed
at
that
time
is
the
areas
in
our
community
that
literally
had
zero
access
to
wired
internet
where
our
mobile
home
parks,
some
of
those,
are
due
to
a
challenge
of
access,
because
the
the
property
owner
wouldn't
provide
land
access.
R
I
think
some
of
those
have
changed.
Some
of
those
maybe
haven't
changed,
but
I
think
the
other
thing
that
we
experienced
through
covid
was
I
think
there
were
like
700
hot
spots,
distributed
in
this
community
during
covid,
which,
whether
there
is
Internet
available
in
front
of
that
household
and
they
did
not
have
access
to
it
or
whether
there
wasn't
access
to
it.
R
What
we
experienced
is,
there
is
still
a
portion
of
our
community
that
didn't
have
reliable
internet
when
they
drastically
needed.
It
I
think
if
we
were
to,
if
we're
going
to
move
forward,
that
would
be
part
of
the
community.
Outreach
we
would
want
to
do
is
to
really
understand
where
are
the
holes
in
our
community
who
doesn't
have
access?
What
are
the
drivers
of
that
when
we
were
doing
the
work
before
we?
We
even
did
like
a
unscientific
survey
of
the
community
of
internet
speeds
just
to
see
what
people
were
getting
versus.
R
What
maybe
the
the
package
offers
that
you're
buying,
but
that's
some
of
what
I
think
we
would
want
to
explore
is
and
to
your
point
of
of
kind
of
maybe
walking
before
we
run.
That
could
be
part
of
our
partnership
exploration
as
looking
at.
Is
there
a
partner
that
just
wants
to
fill
gaps
and
holes
in
our
community
or
to
provide
Services,
maybe
they're,
even
Creative
Solutions,
as
Tim
described,
to
mobile
home
parks?
Maybe
that's
just
one
Avenue,
maybe
another
one
is
is
looking
at.
R
J
Thanks
for
that,
Chris
and
sort
of
that
second
question
with
regards
to,
if
we
did
a,
can
we
also
Reserve
our
right
for
B
and
then
C
later
I
mean?
Can
we
move
sequentially
through
that?
If.
T
We
want
in
terms
of
researching
these
options,
Matt
we
we
can
do
any
and
and
all,
and
certainly
the
timing
would
would
be
dependent
on
on
what
we
do
when
in
terms
of
actually
executing
on
them.
I
I
would
think
that
if
we
were
to
enter
into
a
public
private
partnership
agreement,
the
private
provider
would
want
some
language
in
there
limiting
the
city
or
putting
some
parameters
around
what
the
city
was
going
to
be
doing
on
its
own
again.
We
don't
have
the
details
on
that.
J
Sure,
but
just
as
reversely,
we
would
put
parameters
on
the
contract
to
say
you
got
to
meet
the
needs
and
make
sure
accesses
to
everybody
in
the
community.
So
I
mean
it
works
both
ways.
So
I
can't
see
us
entering
into
a
contract
where
we
would
need
to
then
thus
fill
a
gap
that
that
provider
that
we've
contracted
would
be
providing
so
I
I
would
feel
confident
on
the
on
the
two-way
street.
There
totally
I
appreciate
that
the
other
question
I
have
is
regarding
some
of
these
other
communities.
J
I
know
that
that
their
competitive
Advantage
is
because
they
have
they
have
their
own
electric
utility
and
so
they've
leveraged
that
infrastructure.
But
my
question
is
how
many
of
those
communities
are
the
cities
actively
still
subsidizing
the
very
service
they're
providing
or
do
the
numbers
work
for
the
city
where
they're
either
Revenue
neutral
or
make
just
enough
money
to
put
away
some
for
larger?
You
know
asset
management
or
or
upgrade
so
is
there
ongoing
subsidies
at
in
these
communities,
in
spite
of
them
already
having
that
that
deep
investment
in
their
infrastructure,
Tim.
S
S
And
and
Matt,
if
it's
okay,
I
I,
won't
maybe
talk
to
any
sort
of
specific
name
communities,
but
but
I
would
say
in
in
general
nationally
it's
a
very
different
landscape.
You
know
versus
what
it
was
10
15
years
ago,
where
there
was
some
issues
of
some
of
these
early
Municipal
networks
being
successful.
S
But
today
it's
it's
literally
a
little
bit
of
the
reverse.
You
have
some
very
large
utilities
on
the
on
the
Eastern
Seaboard
that
have
built
large
fiber
networks.
Again
with
a
similar.
You
know
the
similar
commonality
of
owning
the
polls,
owning
the
trucks
and
ladders
and
you
know
being
able
to
deploy
fiber
just
like
they
do
electric
lines,
but
they
have.
You
know
gotten
the
take
rates
that
they
need
to
to
to
to
do
their
funding.
S
And
actually
you
know
a
couple
of
them
years
ago-
got
got
in
trouble
in
the
whole
cross-subsidizing.
You
know
one
utility
to
the
other,
so
I
haven't
heard
that
mention
for
for
many
many
years,
and
you
know
the
local
models
of
Fort,
Collins
and
Loveland
and
I'll
forget
the
other
one
for
Collins
Loveland
Centennial.
S
No,
that's
not
electric
utility!
Thank
you
long,
one
yeah.
Those
three
have
have
been
very
successful,
or
at
least
what's
released
publicly.
Those
three
have
been
successful
in
terms
of
you
know
they
were
going
to
spandex.
They
were
pretty
close
to
spending
acts
and
got
the
sort
of
the
initial
take
rates
and
stuff
that
they
want
and
have
sustainable
models.
J
I
appreciate
that
the
last
question
I
have
before
leaving
it
off
to
Lauren
is
if,
if
we
chose
to
either
to
not
pursue
any
further
than
the
backbone
or
or
stick
with
a
limited
version
and
largely
it
was
going
back
to
that
pie,
chart
of
your
432
fiber,
it
is
this.
Does
the
city
have
plans
to
monetize
that
extra
capacity,
because
we're
not
going
to
use
it
I,
would
hate
to
see
it
Go
unused
and
I'd
love
to
know
if
we
can
monetize
it
or
if
we
do
do
it
in
Broadband?
J
S
Maybe
maybe
I
can
start
with
that.
So
I
think
that
for
me,
the
simplest
way
if
you're
looking
at
that
pie,
chart
again
very
conceptual
at
this
stage,
but
the
backbone
infrastructure
that
sort
of
pre-allocated
50
of
the
backbone
to
the
216
strands,
and
essentially
that's
what
you
would
take
to
the
to
the
table
in
conversation
with
your
P3
partner,
is
that
we've
already
spent
three
plus
years
building
this
infrastructure.
We
want
this
infrastructure
to
be
utilized
to
offer.
S
You
know
fiber
to
be
built
from
it
and
then
you
know
go
to
premises.
You
know
residential
and
businesses.
The
the
question
then
becomes
in
in
those
partnership.
Discussions
is:
are
you
offering
that
as
an
asset
to
utilize,
because
you
want
a
gig
service
in
the
city
at
a
price,
low
price
of
X,
or
you
want
100
coverage
to
every
single
premise
or
you
want
sort
of
any
of
these
gaps
that
we
find
or
low
income
Solutions
as
part
of
the
discussions?
J
I
appreciate
that
that
covers
my
questions
and
I'll
Reserve
comments
for
a
little
bit.
Thank
you
appreciate
it.
N
So
I
kind
of
wanted
to
give
a
little
anecdote
about
use
and
need
for
this
system
because
I,
you
know
we
there
is
like
the
residential
and
what
residences
aren't
served.
But
just
as
an
example,
you
know,
even
though
my
business
is
near
downtown,
our
ability
to
work
from
home
as
a
company
is
impacted
and
what
kinds
of
work
we
can
do
by
the
rates
and
speeds
that
we
get
at
our
business,
location
and
and
the
you
know,
the
costs
of
that.
N
So
I
think
I
think
that,
as
we
think
about
wanting
to
reduce
miles
traveled
and
things
like
that
that
having
this
utility
providing
service
ubiquity
ubiquitously
through
the
community
will
provide
more
than
just
internet
at
people's
homes
right
it.
It
provides
more
opportunity
for
how
we
work
from
home
from
what
kinds
of
businesses
can
do.
What
kinds
of
work
here
in
our
community
and
so
I
think
yeah
there's
a
lot
there.
N
I
also
wanted
to
reference
a
conversation.
Bob
and
I
were
having
Bob.
Could
you
maybe
talk
a
little
bit
about
because
I
kind
of
hear
this?
You
know
100
million
dollar
number
and
people,
you
know,
and
a
lot
of
concern
about
that
level
of
expense.
But
when
you
were
looking
at
this
before
there
was
you
know
if
the
city
owns
the
system,
we
also
collect
the
fees
for
using
the
system
right,
and
so
it's
not
just
that
we
would
spend
100
million
dollars.
There'd
be
income
related
to
that
spend.
H
I'm
sure,
if
your
Council
doesn't
mind,
yeah,
I,
I
think
you're,
absolutely
right,
Lauren,
I
I'm,
you
know
it's
not
just
we
spend
100
million
dollars
and
hope
for
the
best
I
mean.
Obviously
before
anyone
invests
100
million,
whether
it's
us
or
a
partner
that
we
might
be
able
to
identify
you'd
want
to
do
a
little
surveying
of
the
community
to
find
out.
You
know
what
the
take
rate
might
be:
you're
gonna
get
the
number
off
a
little
bit.
H
You
know
you
might,
as
you
might
survey
the
community
and
and
hear
from
20
or
25
of
them
that
they
would
subscribe
to
this
faster
service
and
actually
get
a
21
take
rate
or
28
retriculate
or
some
other
number,
but
you'd
want
to
have
a
kind
of
an
idea
going
into
it.
I
mean
longmont's
service
for
one.
H
Gig
is
70
a
month,
which
is
almost
a
thousand
dollars
per
year
per
customer
right,
and
so
you
know
if
we
had,
we
have
46
000
premises,
that's
residential
premises
in
the
city
and
then,
of
course,
we
probably
have
another
five
or
ten
thousand
business
premises.
Chris
might
know-
and
so
you
know
you
start
to
get
up
into
the
to
the
revenue
numbers
of
of
millions
and
millions
of
dollars
per
year.
Now
you
have
to
to
pay
those
40
some
odd
people
to
run
the
service.
You
have
to
pay
for
the
equipment.
H
That's
you
know
is
probably
five
or
eight
million
dollars
a
year,
depending
on
what
our
interest
rate
is,
plus
the
cost
of
operating
the
system,
and
so
this
is
where
the
take
rate
number
becomes
really
really
critical,
because
you
can
either
be
a
very
profitable
business
or
it
could
be
one
that
you
have
to
subsidize
to
the
tune
of
two
or
three
million
dollars
a
year.
It's
not
it's,
not
a
subsidy
of
10
or
20
million
dollars
a
year.
It's
just
not
bad,
because
you're
only
spending
100
million
dollars
on
this
thing.
H
So
it's
not
like
you
can
have
zero
customers
because
you
wouldn't
build
it.
If
you
have
zero
customers-
and
so
you
know,
if
we
ever
get
to
an
analysis
of
option,
C
I'd
want
our
team,
including
with
our
partner
team
or
our
finance
team,
to
figure
out
what
is
that
in
a
worst
case,
situation,
high
low
high
low
medium?
What's
what's
the
subsidy?
Is
it
one
million
a
year
or
two
million
year,
five
million
a
year?
H
I
think
that
the
earlier
question
was
helpful
about
you
know
what
is
what
is
a
costing
Longmont
and
and
Fort
Collins
and
Loveland,
and
some
of
these
other
cities
that
are
doing
this?
What
is
it
costing
them?
They
have
some
advantage
in
that
they
have.
You
know
an
electric
Network
and
they
have
a
billing
system
and
a
probably
a
not
a
network,
Operation
Center
that
they
can.
H
They
can
double
up
on,
so
they
have
some
expenses
that
they
some
synergies
that
we
probably
we
wouldn't
have,
but
I
think
it
would
be
interesting
analysis
to
say
at
various
take
rate
assumptions
20
30,
40
percent,
where,
where
do
we?
Where
do
we
lose
money
and
how
much?
Where
do
we
break
even
and
where
could
we
possibly
make
money?
H
Because
these
cities
are
not
dumb
right,
they
they
have
taken
the
Gamble
and
as
far
as
we
can
tell
it's
paying
off
for
them
right,
they're,
not
subsidizing
to
the
tune
of
millions
and
millions
and
millions
of
dollars
a
year,
and
so
it's
it's
something
that
I
think
we
would
be
foolish
not
to
at
least
explore
and
evaluate,
but
I
think
you're,
asking
exactly
right.
Questions
Lauren
is
is
not
how
much!
Where
are
we
going
to
get
the
100
million?
H
And
how
are
we
going
to
pay
it
back?
It's
is
what
is
it
going
to
cost
us
on
the
annual
basis
net
of
the
revenue?
It
may
cost
us
nothing.
It
may
cost
us
a
little
bit,
but
we
need
to
figure
that
out
before
we
answer
the
B
versus
C
question
it
may
be,
it
may
be
smart
for
staff
to
do
the
RFP
under
option
b
and
learn
get
some
free
information
from
potential
providers.
H
Although
we
could
hear
crickets
too
right,
because
if
we
think
this
is
dumb
really
smart
people
in
the
business
world
are
going
to
think
it's
dumb
too.
But
if
we
hear
crickets
that's
very
instructive
and
if
we
get
some
information,
we
can
use
that
to
make
a
B
versus
a
c
decision
later
this
summer.
So
I
think
that's
a
great
question
Lauren
and
it's
actually
the
right
one
to
ask.
B
Great
thanks,
Lauren
and
Bob
and
I
think
we're
heading
a
little
bit
into
comments.
This
way,
so
I
think
folks
are
getting
done
with
answering
questions
and
ready
to
move
on,
but
Rachel
I
see
your
hand
out.
Do
you
have
another.
P
Question
maybe
a
colloquai
I,
don't
know
if
this
is
for
Bob,
probably
more
for
staff,
but
as
I
recall
in
the
Excel
settlement,
we
specifically
negotiated
to
get
permission
to
bury
our
fiber
lines
in
with
Excel
when
they
were
doing
work
and
I
know
we're
looking
at
at.
P
You
know
catching
up
on
the
stuff
that
wasn't
done,
but
I
think
also
going
forward
anytime
they're
opening
up
to
to
Barry
lines
we're
supposed
to
be
able
to
go
in
there
and
do
this.
So
is
that
taken
into
account
when
we're
saying
100
million,
because
I
would
imagine
when
we
looked
at
it
the
first
time
we
had
not.
You
know
gotten
anywhere
with
this
settlement.
R
R
It's
going
to
be
drastically
more
than
that.
If
we
were
to
look
at
that
business
analysis
today
with
the
cost
of
infrastructure,
the
cost
of
construction
that's
gone
up,
but
I
think
it
would
be
significantly
north
of
100
million
dollars.
That
said,
yeah,
Rachel
and
and
Tim.
Maybe
you
can
expand
on
this
as
we've
been
doing
the
backbone
construction.
Obviously,
anytime,
there's
a
dig
once
opportunity
where
the
streets
open,
we
that's
a
regular
practice,
but
maybe
Tim.
If
you
can
describe
a
little
bit
more
of
how
we
do
that,
yeah.
S
It
is
a
regular
practice.
Unfortunately,
the
the
reality
is
again.
Unless
it's
new
infrastructure,
it's
really
hard
to
coordinate
and
get
decent
synergies.
You
know
what
sometimes
happen
is
you
know.
Excel
has
to
put
something
in
in
one
block
and
if
that
one
block,
isn't
you
know,
on
our
backbone,
build
and
in
a
sort
of
time
frame?
That's
you
know,
kind
of
applicable,
it's
often
really
hard
to
to
get
that
Synergy
of
co-building
at
the
same
time.
S
So
if
you
looked
at,
if
you
fast
forwarded
to
okay
well,
you
know
what
about
all
the
other
new
infrastructure
that
has
to
be
built
now
off
the
backbone
I
I.
Don't
know
where
you
know
where,
where
that
correlates
with
with
Excel
and
if
it
does
and
in
any
way
that
would
make
a
difference
to
the
numbers.
S
I
would
suspect
it.
Wouldn't
because
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
where
you
know
you
would.
You
would
be
making
the
Assumption
then
that
they're
they're
putting
in
new
infrastructure-
and
it
just
happens
to
be
along
the
streets
that
we're
going
to
build
on
for
for
the
neighborhoods.
S
B
All
right
well,
thank
you,
everybody
that
was
really
informative
and
Illuminating.
So
thanks
for
all
your
questions,
okay,
so
we
will
now
head
into
comments
and
discussion
on
the
last
two
questions
that
staff
had
had
for
us.
So
let's
address
the
first
one
of
do.
B
Council
members
agree
with
the
proposed
revisions
to
the
outcome
and
objectives
for
the
City's
community
Broadband
initiatives,
and
would
that
be
helpful
for
anybody
to
see
those
again
like
just
have
that
screen
up
or
everybody
remember
them
mostly
all
right,
so
I
see
a
couple
and
as
you're
you
know
giving
your
comments.
If
you
could,
please
also
give
your
answer
so
that
we
can
provide
some
clarity
for
staff.
That
would
be
helpful.
Thank
you.
Laura
and
Europe.
N
So
I
already
alluded
to
this
in
my
questions
but
I
think
net
neutrality
is
a
widely
agreed
upon
term,
that's
measurable
and
sets
clear
expectations,
and
especially
if
we
were
to
go
with
option
b.
I
think
it
sets
a
very
clear
expectation
for
what
we
expect
our
partners
to
provide.
So
I
would
like
to
see
that
continue
to
be
included
in
our
goals.
B
J
Thanks
Nicole
I
mean
again
I
kind
of
alluded
to
it.
With
my
question,
I
I,
we
got
to
know
the
need,
and
so
I
really
think
it's
critical
that
we
study
the
spectrum
of
need
in
the
community
and
that
will
inform
us
of
are
we?
Are
we
going
to
be
in
the
business
of
trying
to
provide
to
lift
up
people
in
need
so
that
they
have
to
bridge
that
digital
divide?
J
Are
we
going
to
be
in
that
business
or
ask
someone
to
be
in
that
business,
or
are
we
going
to
be
in
the
business
of
all
of
the
above?
Do
that
and
provide
a
cheaper
alternative,
hopefully
a
cheaper
alternative
to
everybody
else,
and
so
so
I
think
the
identifying
the
spectrum
of
need
and
that's
not
just
a
low
income
like
a
business
need
to
Lauren's
in
to
Lauren's
Point
earlier
I
I.
J
Think
there's
still
a
lot
for
us
to
know
about
what
our
community
need
is
that
will
I
think
really
help
inform
us
of
perhaps
the
right
direction
here,
so
so
I
think
in
terms
of
objectives.
J
I'd
really
love
to
get
us
moving
on
on
identifying
that,
and
it
sounds
like
to
Chris's
point
that
information
might
already
exist
with
regards
to
you
know,
maps
from
com
from
Xfinity
or
CenturyLink,
and
so
it
seems
like
that
information
might
be
pretty
close
to
our
fingertips
in
terms
of
what
already
exists
and
then
hearing
from
our
community
about
what
they
really
need.
I
think
that's
going
to
be
a
critical
part
to
help
me
identify
where
we
go
from
here.
B
And
with
that
Matt,
so
is
there
a
proposed
outcome
or
objective
that
you
are
looking
to
add
there
well
right
of.
J
It's
hard
for
me
to
evaluate
any
outcome
until
I
have
this
information
right,
so
this
is
kind
of
the
this
is
the
horse
and
for
the
cart
yeah
thanks.
L
Thank
you,
I'll
just
give
my
feedback
quickly.
Thank
you
for
the
presentation.
The
slides
I
would
say,
I
agree
with
Matt
I.
As
I
was
reading
the
memo.
I
I
just
couldn't,
pin
down
the
need,
I
see
the
pie
chart,
but
still
that
still
a
little
bit,
not
I
suppose
concrete
enough
and
that
in
itself
created
its
own
problem.
L
So
I
think
that
we
would
need
to
figure
that
one
out
and
also
another
thing,
I've
been
thinking.
I
mean
I've,
been
on
Council
three
years
now
and
I'm
option
b,
regardless
of
when
we
find
we
once
you
have
the
numbers
I
still
feel
option
b,
maybe
or
best
option
because
of
execution,
because
when
I
think
of
the
city
itself
and
even
the
some
of
the
challenges
that
we
face
with
Staffing
over
the
last
two
years
with
kovid,
I
I,
think
option
b
makes
sense.
I
just
option.
L
C
seems
to
be
more
expensive
and
I
did
hear
Bob's
proposal
of
maybe
somehow
figure
out
figuring
out.
The
Staffing
plan
with
option
C
but
I,
still
think
option
b
is
the
best
option
again
because
I
know
as
a
community
or
as
a
city
apparatus
based
on
again
being
a
council
member
I
know
the
CDs
strive
to
offer
good
customer
service,
but
sometimes
we
do
fall
short
as
well
and
and
based
on
reading
on
the
memo
and
also
knowing
what
I
know.
L
Outsourcing
part
of
this
work
to
a
third
party
seems
to
make
sense
to
me.
Thank
you.
B
Thanks
Jenny
I
mean:
did
you
have
any
any
comments
on
the
the
changes
to
the
objectives
like
Lauren
was
talking
about
with
the
net
neutrality
or
anything
like
that.
L
B
Okay,
so
does
anybody
else
have
any
comments
about
the
objectives
and
outcomes
at
the
moment,
Lauren.
Q
B
So
do
people
so
I
mean
I,
think
I
think
we
heard
Lauren
say
that
she
would
like
net
neutrality
to
be
to
remain.
One
of
the
doci
here.
Do
folks
agree
with
that.
B
All
right
that
looks
like
looks
like
we
got
a
number
of
us
that
that
would
like
to
see
net
neutrality
remain
as
one
of
the
objectives
there.
B
Okay,
so
last
question
I
apologize.
We
are
going
a
little
bit
over
our
stated
end
time,
but
we're
still
going
to
try
to
get
out
at
a
decent
time.
So
folks,
you
know
if
we
could
try
to
just
keep
keep
your
comments
concise
here
generally,
do
we
agree
with
staff's
recommendation
to
further
explore
approach,
B
provider
of
Last
Resort
and
the
public
private
partnership?
B
So
as
you're
giving
your
comments,
please
also
give
a
clear
answer
on
where
you
stand
on
that,
even
if
it
is
a
clear
statement
that
you
are
not
quite
in
in
one
bucket
or
the
other
Bob
you're
up.
H
Thanks
well,
first
of
all,
I'm
I'm
going
to
agree
with
with
Lauren
that
we
should
explore
option
b,
but
keep
our
option
options
open
for
option.
C
I
want
to
play
back,
I.
Think
some
of
my
early,
my
colleagues
earlier,
were
answering
the
Wong
question,
which
is
who
doesn't
have
internet
or
or
where's
the
digital
divide.
The
digital
divide
is
moved
from
no
internet
versus
to
to
and
and
yes
internet
to
low
speed
internet
versus
high-speed
internet
Fort
Collins
is
offering
10
gigabit.
H
You
can
all
do
a
speed
test
right
now.
My
guess
is
you're
gonna
get
50
or
100
megabits,
and
that's
a
fraction
of
that.
And
so
the
question
is
not.
Does
everybody
have
internet?
The
question
is:
does
everyone
have
fast
internet
and
you
may
say:
well:
I,
don't
care
I'm,
I'm,
happy
with
slow
internet
and
that's
perfectly
fine?
H
If
that's
what
you're
happy
with,
but
that's
not
the
world
and
I
want
to
play
back
with
some
of
the
things
I
wrote
them
down,
but
but
I
thought
some
of
the
wisdom
that
that
Mike
and
contemporated
US
Tim
said
the
goal
is
to
bring
fiber
to
the
premises
in
Boulder,
so
we're
going
to
Big
fiber
to
the
premises.
The
question
is
not
are
we
going
to
do
that
and
do
we
need
to
do
that?
The
question
is:
is
who's
going
to
pay,
for
this
is
a
financing
question.
H
Tim
said
one
gigabit
is
considered
the
Benchmark
for
internet
capacity.
These
days,
that's
the
Benchmark
and
and
and
Fort
Collins
is
well
beyond
one
gigabit.
There
are
10
to
10
gigabits
Mike
said:
affordable,
high-speed
fiber-based,
internet
access
is
essential,
is
absolutely
essential
and
I
think
that's
absolutely
right
and
I
think
that
that
Lawrence
said
that
as
well.
I
think
that
this
bag's
a
really
deep
philosophical
question.
What
is
what
is
the
role
of
government
right?
H
We've
made
some
decisions
this
the
city
long
before
any
of
us
got
on
console,
made
some
decisions
about
what
services
the
city
was
going
to
provide
and
which
ones
we
were
not,
and
different
cities
make
different
decisions
for
so,
for
example,
we've
decided
to
provide
water
service
some
cities,
don't
some
cities?
Do
we've
decided
recently
not
to
provide
Electric
Services
some
cities
do
some
cities.
Don't
we
don't
provide
trash
service?
H
We
let
a
private
entity
do
that,
but
on
the
other
hand
we
run
most
of
the
parking
garage
and
some
cities,
those
are
run
by
private
businesses.
So
there's
no
right
or
wrong
answer
to
this,
and
the
question
I
think
we
have
to
ask
ourselves
is:
is
high-speed
internet
an
essential
element
of
daily
life
both
for
residents
and
businesses?
If
the
answer
is
no,
the
answer
is
no:
it's
not
essential
and
we're
going
to
let
the
market
decide
whether
or
not
to
provide
that
that's
fine.
That's
there's
nothing
wrong
with
that
answer.
H
I
would
point
out,
however,
that
we
have
two
incumbents
who
have
been
in
business
in
this
town
for
many
many
decades
who
have
chosen
for
their
own
business
reasons
not
to
provide
high-speed
internet
not
to
provide
high-speed
internet
this
community
that
could
have
last
year,
the
year
before
year,
before
they've
chosen
not
to
it's
not
in
their
financial
interest.
To
do
so,
we
can
wait,
maybe
in
10
years
or
20
years.
They'll
do
that,
but
so
far
they
haven't,
and
so
we
have
to
ask
ourselves.
Do
we
want
to
nudge
that
along?
H
Do
we
want
to
ensure
that
people
in
our
town,
just
like
people
in
Longmont,
in
Fort,
Collins
and
Loveland,
enjoy
very
high-speed
internet
for
their
businesses
and
for
the
residents
do
we
want
to
insure?
That?
Is
that
the
responsibility
of
our
government
or
do
we
want
to
leave
it
to
the
market
as
we
have
for
the
last
several
decades,
and
if
we're
all
happy
with
what
we
have
right
now
and
have
our
fingers
crossed
for
a
better
day?
That's
fine!
H
That's
not
proactive,
that's
reactive
and
passive
and,
as
you
saw
in
that
map
that
the
staff
provided
we're
falling
farther
and
farther
and
farther
behind
our
Front
Range
peers.
If
we're
okay
with
that,
if
we
don't
want
Boulder
to
be
number
one,
we're
number
10
or
number
20
we're
happy
to
be
at
the
bottom
of
the
list,
then
we
should.
We
should
just
stick
with
option
A
we
can
test
option
b.
I,
suspect
and
I
might
be
wrong.
H
We'll
find
out
in
a
few
months
that
the
answer
to
option
b,
the
RFP
that
we're
about
to
issue
is
going
to
be
the
same
as
it
was
in
2017..
The
the
the
dynamic
has
not
changed
significantly
now,
if
people
line
up
outside
our
door
to
provide
that
service
and
they're
willing
to
invest
100
million
dollars
or
so
to
to
build
that
out
and
take
the
risk.
That's
great!
That's
really
really
fantastic.
H
If,
however,
we
get
crickets
I
think
we're
going
to
have
to
take
a
giant
step
back
this
summer
or
whenever
we
reconvene
on
this
topic
and
ask
ourselves,
is
this
an
essential
service
of
government?
Yes
or
no?
If
it
is,
then
we
need
to
make
the
investment,
just
as
we
made
the
investment
in
our
water
utility
and
all
the
other
services
we
provide.
If
the
answer
is
no
we're
going
to
leave
our
residents
and
our
businesses
to
the
market
and
let
the
market
decide
whether
or
not
they
have
high-speed
internet.
That's
fine,
too.
H
That's
there's
nothing
wrong
with
that
answer.
It's
just.
We
just
have
to
answer
to
our
constituents
when
they
want
to
know
where's.
My
Broadband
where's,
the
Broadband
I
asked
for
in
2014
when
I
voted
in
favor
of
this.
So
that's
that's
our
responsibility.
That's
why
they
pay
us
the
big
bucks
to
make
those
hard
decisions.
I
am
in
favor
of
going
down
the
path
of
option
b.
If
for
no
other
reason
to
learn
how
much
will
it
cost
to
build
this
out?
B
Thanks
so
much
Bob
Matt,
you
are
up
next.
J
Well,
that's
hard
to
follow
up.
You
laid
that
out
pretty
well
I
share
a
lot
of
those
concerns
myself
and
so
one
rehash
I
think
you
said
it
well.
Bob
I
I
am
okay,
with
option
b
for
the
for
the
reasons
Bob
stated
and
I
share
that
same
skepticism
I'm,
not
sure
that
four
plus
years
is
going
to
drastically
change,
plus
everything's,
more
expensive
now
and
so
I
I
I'm,
not
sure
we're
gonna
I,
don't
I'm
skeptical
I'm.
Also,
you
know
think
it's
important
to
recognize.
J
J
It
I
mean
we're
paying
for
all
the
infrastructure
Excel
invests,
even
though
we
don't
own
our
utility,
we
pay
for
it
in
the
rate
base.
So
you
know
just
how
many
people
can
we
amortize
that
cost
over
to
make
it
work?
And
that's
that
that's
the
numbers,
that's
the
math,
that
has
to
make
sense
so
I,
I'm,
okay,
with
b
I
I
but
I
would
really
be
curious
about
a
fallback
of
option
A
but
modified
in
a
sense.
J
Only
and
I
say
that,
because
of
there's,
there
are
definitely
groups,
as
Chris
pointed
out
that
are
getting
no
service
and
and
and
you're
right
there.
It's
mostly
a
low
speed
precisely,
but
there
are
some
that
have
nothing
and
I
think
at
the
very
minimum.
We
do
have
the
role
to
make
sure
everybody
is
connected
and
I.
J
Think
if
we
understand
what
our
default
is
of
at
the
very
minimum,
we're
going
to
use
this
to
just
make
sure
everybody's
connected
and
then
we'll
move
on
from
there
I
I
would
love
us
to
think
about
what
that
a
modified
is
to
get
some
sort
of
wireless
tower
at
these
near
these
mobile
home
communities,
where
it's
a
concentrated
number
of
people
with
no
content
connectivity
I
would
just
love
to
know
that
we
can
go
that
Baseline
and
then
we
can
tackle
these
Hardware
challenges
overall
because
they
need
to
be
connected
to
our
society,
so
that
that's
my
thoughts,
I'm
good
with
B
but
I'd
love
to
know
what
that
sort
of
option
a
modified
is
has
a
fallback
for
bridging
that
divide
because
it
does
exist
in
our
community.
B
Okay,
Jeanette
Rachel.
P
I
mostly
agree
with
Bob
and
Matt
I
guess:
I
I
a
little
bit
feel
like
we're
not
quite
fully
baked
to
make
a
decision
tonight
like
I'm,
not
ready
to
commit
to
B
I'd,
really
like
to
know
more
about
C.
Before
we
go
down,
you
know:
100
million
plus
dollar
decision
I
mean
I,
like
city-owned
infrastructure,
a
lot
of
the
times.
P
You
know,
I
think
that
in
the
same
vein
as
we
had
a
lot
of
complaints
about
Excel,
we
get
a
lot
of
complaints
about
internet
providers,
Broadband
providers,
so
I
I
really
would
like
to
know
what
the
community
wants
and
I
don't
feel
like.
We
have
that.
So
that's
a
big
piece
for
me
of
why
it's
not
fully
baked
like
if
we
ask
the
community
prior
to
pandemic,
what
do
you
know?
What
do
they
think
they
need
in
their
house
for
internet?
P
We
I
think
people
have
probably
moved
on
that
point
and
also
to
Bob's
Point
yeah
I
I,
don't
feel
like
the
need
is
at
all
vague.
We
know
that
other
cities
have
much
stronger
Broadband
than
we
do
and
given
that
we're
a
tech
City
at
least
to
some
degree
I,
don't
doubt
that
every
residence
in
business
should
have
improved
access,
and
you
know
like
with
Lauren's
example
in
my
household.
P
We
sometimes
are
on
both
sides
or
either
side
of
a
virtual
medical
visit
and,
if
you're,
trying
to
to
provide
a
service
or
like
we
are
in
this
council
meeting
together.
Somebody
usually
glitches
at
some
point
in
these
meetings
like
we're
at
a
time
in
in
the
world
where
we
need
really
high
quality,
home
internet
and
business
and
business
out
of
homes
service,
so
I
I
would
like
to
get
some
more
Community
engagement,
but
I
I
would
not
like
to
stall
or
delay
this.
P
It's
it's
been,
we've
all
been
sort
of
waiting
and
waiting
and
waiting
for
the
city
to
get
this
rolled
out
to
everyone.
So
I
would
like
us
to
move
quickly
towards
the
world
class
service
that
we're
hoping
to
provide
for
Boulder
and
I
would
also
like
to
know
more
about
C
and
what
the
community
wants.
N
Thanks
yeah
I
I
agree
with
a
lot
of
what's
been
said
already.
The
internet
is
a
utility
kind
of
like
phone
or
electricity
where,
because
of
you
know
the
wires,
it
takes
to
run.
It
really
isn't
set
up
to
create
a
competitive,
Marketplace.
Very
well
right,
like
the
kind
of
line
you
run
really
dictates
the
speed
of
the
service
you
can
have
so
right.
N
In
my
opinion,
potentially
renegotiating
contracts
down
the
road
I
just
see
a
number
of
issues
with
b
and
what
it
locks
the
city
into
the
same
way.
We
have
issues
with
Excel
already
I.
Don't
think
that
we
want
to
put
ourselves
in
that
kind
of
position
again,
and
we
have
a
great
opportunity
here
to
set
up
ourselves
up
for
long-term
success.
N
N
I
I
would
like
to
think
that
our
staff
and
our
city
organization
is
at
least
as
good
as
those
organizations
around
us,
and
we
can
do
this
at
least
as
well
as
they
can
no
I
understand
that
there
are
different
communities,
create
different
challenges,
but
I
believe
that
we
can
overcome
some
of
those
through
technology
or
other
means,
and
then
you
know
I
also
just
wanted
to
touch
on
risk.
So
the
building
industry
has
a
lot
of
risk
in
it.
N
When
you
push
your
risk
off
onto
someone
else
onto
a
different
entity,
they
charge
you
for
that.
They
charge
you
to
assume
that
risk
and
so
that
risk
doesn't
go
away.
Someone
is
assuming
risk
so
in
option
b,
it's
this
other
party
and
they
are
going
to
make
us
pay
for
that
risk,
probably
in
perpetuity.
You
know,
as
long
as
they
hold
a
contract,
they
are
going
to
continue
to
make
money
off
of
that
initial
risk,
which,
as
we've
sort
of
discussed
I,
don't
think
is
actually
that
great
I
mean
again.
N
A
lot
of
communities
are
doing
this.
It
is
a
difficult
numbers
game,
but
I
think
that
that
is
something
that
we
can
overcome.
N
Yeah
so
I'm
I'm
a
big
supporter
of
option
C
but
open
to
looking
at
option
b.
So
thank.
P
B
You
thanks
thanks
for
putting
that
out
there
and
just
a
reminder.
Since
it's
been
a
little
over
an
hour,
Mark
was
as
well
in
support
of
option
b.
Nobody
has
any
other
comments.
I
will
go
ahead
with
mine.
Yes,
oh
Tara
go
ahead.
O
O
Let
me
come
back
and
we
say
no,
we
can't,
and
then
we
spend
all
this
money.
So
that's
my
old
comment,
really
I
would
think
that
Tim
and
Chris
have
their
reasons
for
going
with
option
b
and
not
C.
So
that's
why
I'm
gonna
go
with
option
b,
foreign.
B
Thanks
Tara
and
I
kind
of
find
myself
agreeing
with
a
lot
of
what
other
folks
have
said,
so
I
won't
sort
of
repeat
everything
generally,
just
as
where
I
come
from
I,
don't
really
like
having
essential
services
in
the
hands
of
for-profit
Corporations
to
me,
as
as
Bob
shared
internet
does
seem
like
a
basic
human
right
that
we
all
kind
of
mean
to
exist
in
our
society
right
now
and
as
with
most
things
faster
is
better
in
this
case,
you
are
better
off
if
you
have
faster
access,
so
I
am
open
to
exploring
option
b
in
line
with
staff's
recommendation,
and
what's
going
to
be
critical
for
me
in
thinking
about
how
we
move
forward
as
we
explore,
that
option
is:
how
can
we
protect
residents
and
businesses,
and
especially
those
that
are
already
vulnerable
to
increased
costs
at
others,
expenses
or
at
others,
benefits?
B
B
I
am
open
to
be,
and
I
I
really
do
find
myself
thinking
about.
How
do
we?
How
do
we
protect
people
from
some
of
the
things
that
can
happen
when
we
put
basic
basic
needs
and
rights
in
the
hands
of
for-profit
Corporations
Tara
looks
like
you
got
another
comment:
yeah
I'm,
gonna
change
my
mind
too.
O
B
I
need
to
change
my
vote.
Okay,
thanks
Tara,
okay,
so
let
me
just
try
to
sum
this
up
for
staff,
so
it
sounds
like
we
are
somewhere
between
B
and
C
as
a
group,
at
least
the
majority
of
us
somewhere
between
BNC.
B
We
I
think
raised
a
lot
of
concern
and
some
some
points
that
we
would
like
to
have
more
information
on
when
this
comes
back
to
us.
But
it
sounds
to
me
like
we
have
a
path
forward
that
explores
being
while
holding
C
open
as
an
option.
B
Yes,
so
so
I
think
when
we
come
back.
What
I'm
sensing
from
from
this
discussion
is
that
it
we
would
like
to
have
a
bit
of
a
comparison
of
BNC
with
some
of
the
points
that
folks
raised
a
little
bit
in
terms
of
the
the
need
in
the
community
and
who
the
people
are
who
are
most
in
need,
as
well
as
what
the
sort
of
long-term
costs
and
how
that
that
may
all
balance
out.
C
I
appreciate
that
I
think
we're
hearing
it
loud
and
clear
as
you
summarized
it,
I
want
to
just
ask
if
that
impacts
the
timetable
that
you
have
presented
in
terms
of
coming
back
to
council
for
that
study
session.
I,
don't
know
the
answer
that
question
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
upfront
about
expectations.
T
I
guess
I
just
want
to
clarify
with
with
Nicole
your
summary
I
sort
of
heard
him
mix
there
from
Council
as
well
right.
We
absolutely
want
to
explore
option
b,
I
Heard
some
say:
let's
hold
option
C,
which
we
absolutely
can
do
I
heard
others
say
hey.
We
want
to
actually
compare
B
and
C
with
more
detail
on
both
of
them.
The
next
time
I
come
back.
So
if
it
is
that
latter
one
we,
we
definitely
will
need
some
more
time
to
investigate
c
as
well
in
in
parallel.
T
It
if
it's
not
that
if
it's
let's
go,
investigate
B
first
and
get
some
information
from
that
and
we'll
learn
some
more
as
Bob
highlighter.
We'll
definitely
learn
more
about
what
that
means
for
us
doing
it
on
our
own.
Then
we
could
probably
stick
with
a
similar
timeline
to
what
we
proposed
late
summer.
B
Okay,
thank
you
Mike.
So
let
me
just
pose
that
question
to
council,
so
who
so
so
we
just
heard
two
clear
choices:
right:
we're
either
doing
a
comparison
of
BNC.
That's
going
to
take
a
little
bit
longer
or
we
are
ex
going
forward
with
the
timeline
exploring
me
recognizing
that
does
not
cut
off
the
option
for
C,
so
I
think
the
question
is:
when
we
come
back
to
this.
B
Do
we
need
to
have
that
comparison
in
place,
or
is
it
enough
to
evaluate
the
and
then
move
on
to
see
if
we
decide
that
b
cannot
meet
the
concerns
that
we
have
so
I
will
ask
the
first
question:
who
is
in
favor
of
having
staff
stick
to
the
timeline?
That's
here
now
in
doing
this
exploration
of
B,
with
the
understanding
that
we
can
come
back
to
asking
for
information
about
C.
C
P
B
L
B
So
I
think
I
think
we're
not
I
think
we're
not
totally
in
a
place
where,
where
we
are
answering
that
question,
because
what
I
heard
from
a
lot
of
people
is
that
we
are
looking
there,
there
is
a
flexibility
in
wanting
to
look
at
B
and
then
potentially
also
hold
open,
C.
So
I
think
the
question
is:
do
we
need
analysis
of
both
B
and
C
before
we
move
forward
with
that?
Or
is
it
enough
to
look
at
B
see
where
we're
at
and
then
look
at
C?
H
B
So
whoever
is
comfortable
with
moving
forward
would
be
on
as
staff
proposed
on
the
timeline.
With
our
additional
information.
Sorry,
Lauren
I
saw
your
finger.
Go
up.
Did
you
have
something
to
add.
N
B
B
B
So
I
think
it's
do.
We
want
to
take
extra
time
and
ask
staff
to
take
extra
time
to
explore
both
the
and
C
to
help
us
reach
a
decision,
or
can
we
move
forward
with
B
now
on
this
timeline
that
has
us
coming
back
in
July
and
then
decide
in
July?
Do
we
want
to
is
be
good?
Are
all
our
concerns
met
or
do
we
need
to
think
about
C,
okay,
Matt
and
Rachel?
Both
of
your
hands
are
up,
which
makes
me
think
you
may
have
some
comments.
J
J
That's
really
the
question,
and
if
it's,
the
answer
is
yes,
great.
We've
learned
that
by
doing
so
does
not
preclude
us
pursuing
C
and
we
can
talk
about
and
address
C
at
a
later
date
and
that
that's
that's
really
what
the
question
is
so
I
support
that,
with
my
hand,
up
on
behalf
of
Mark,
my
only
clarify
piece
in
there
was
in
sort
of
that
summary.
There
was
a
lot
of
hey
I
agree
with
my
colleagues.
J
I
agree
with
my
colleagues
with
a
lot
of
those
linkages,
and
so
I
just
want
to
really
call
out
because
it
will
probably
take
resources,
and
so
I
want
to
be
really
explicit
here,
which
is.
Are
we
going
to
take
time
to
learn
what
the
community
need
is
here,
because
that's
going
to
require
probably
slowing
down
a
little
bit
and
so
I
just
want
to
be
really
clear
unless
that
was
already
baked
into
the
plan,
which
I
didn't
quite
see
that
in
the
memo.
J
But
what
is
the
need
from
a
business,
a
residential
who
does
or
doesn't
have
service
that
information
for
me
is
critical
from
which
to
evaluate
B
and
or
C.
So
I
just
want
to
be
really
clear.
If
that
is
something
my
colleagues
support,
then
I
want
to
know
from
staff
is
that
can
be
embedded
in
the
timeline
or
will
that
X
extend,
because
that
needs
to
be
some
front
end
work
before
the
other
stuff
goes
on,
so
I
just
wanted
to
get
real
big
Clarity
on
that,
so
that
there's
not
an
assumption.
It
happens.
P
And
that
that's
actually,
what
my
hand
is
up
to
if
I
can
calculate
on
that
it
just
that
the
summary
indicated
that
there
was
support
for
looking
at
need
and
I.
Don't
know
that
I
heard
that
from
five
people,
so
I
wanted
to
see
a
straw
poll,
maybe
because
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
Mark
or
Aaron
would
have
weighed
in
on
that
and
I.
P
B
Right,
thank
you
thanks
for
clarifying
that
Rachel,
so
we
can
have,
we
can
take
Junior
Bob.
Do
you
have
comments
on
Rachel's
comment?
Yeah.
L
Sure
I
do
and
I
think
I've
heard
earlier.
Staff
and
I
think
Bob
mentioned
that
in
sorry,
Bob,
if
you
were
not
the
person
who
mentioned,
we
probably
won't
need,
know
the
need
until
implementation
or
after
because
people
can
say
yes,
I
would
be
interested
in
this
and
do
they
have
to
actually
participate
in
this
program
right.
So
ultimately,
we
won't
know
the
need
100
but
of
course,
I
think
as
we
were
reading
as
I
was
reading
the
memo.
L
That's
the
question
I
had
I
was
wondering
what
is
the
need
that
we
are
trying
to
provide
a
solution
for
But.
Ultimately,
I
understand
that
yeah
we
we
will
do
the
community
outreach,
but
coming
to
a
concrete
saying
that,
okay,
this
is
how
many
people
we
will
serve.
That
might
be
more
fluid
than
we
expect.
Actually.
Thank
you.
H
Yeah
I
think
Jenny
and
Rachel
right.
First
of
all,
I'm
not
sure
what
what
the
definition
of
need
is.
Is
it
needed
one
gig?
Is
it
neither
10
gig
I
mean
like:
where
are
we
going
to
cut
that
off,
but
I?
Don't
think
we
have
to
do
all
a
study.
All
we
have
to
do
is
look
right
up
the
road
at
Longmont
in
Loveland
in
Fort
Collins
they
have
take
rates
of
50
60
70
percent,
their
demographics
are
not
much
different
than
ours,
okay
and
so
I
I
think
it
would
be
it'd
be
interesting.
H
What's
either
10
gigs,
but
you
know
what
Junior's
right
I
mean
we're
not
going
to
know
the
take
rate
until
we
get
to
the
take
rate,
and
so
we
we
just
look
at
our
peer
cities
and
see
they're
having
fabulous,
take
rates
with
very
similar
demographics
and
the
need
is
there,
because
people
have
have
an
appetite
for
this
at
the
price
points
that
they're
they're
offering
that
so
I
don't
think
we
need
to
spend
a
whole
lot
of
time
or
money
evaluating
what
the
need
is:
I'm,
not
sure,
even
how
to
define
the
need.
H
Let's
just
go
with
what
we're
seeing
in
other
places.
That's
that's
the
nice
thing
about
not
being
a
leader
about
being
a
follower
which
which,
in
this
case
we
are,
is
we
can
see
what
the
leaders
have
done
and
what
their
experiences
have
been.
So,
let's
just
build
on
their
experiences.
Let's,
let's
do
the
RFP,
let's
see
how
many
people
respond
and
and
then
let's
take
a
giant
step
back
and
decide
what
we
want
to
be
when
we
grow
up.
B
All
right
thanks,
Bob,
okay,
and
thank
you
Rachel
for
clarifying
that
just
that
question.
So
we
can
do
crystal
clear
for
stuff
so
who
is
in
favor
of
kind
of
exploring
the
need
a
little
in
a
way
that
would
take
longer
than
what
staff
has
already
proposed.
Is
that
anything
that
folks
are
going
to
need
to
make
a
decision
and
Matt?
If
there's
more
to
that
point
that
you
would
like
to
State,
please
do.
J
J
If
it
will
add
more
time,
I'm
just
wondering
if
we're
going
to
gather
that
information
believes
there's
some
mobile
home
communities
that
don't
have
any.
How
do
we
know
that?
Do
we
know
that
for
sure
are
there
others,
like
I
mean
this
is
just
the
Baseline
stuff
I'm
trying
to
know
if
that's
embedded
in
what
we're
doing
great?
If
it's
not
I'd
like
to
know
that,
that's
all
so
I
I,
don't
know
if
it's
going
to
take
more
time.
T
You
know:
we've
planned
some
Community
engagement
activities
that
speak
to
that
point.
T
B
All
right,
so
let
me
let
me
then
ask
that
question
who
feels
that
it
would
be
good
to
have
some
expanded
engagement
opportunities,
foreign.
P
B
B
Does
that
provide
you,
Clarity
staff
I
feel
like
we.
We
went
around
a
little
bit
there.
T
I
think
we
landed
on
the
staff
recommendation
and
and
we'll
just
make
sure
that
we're
embedding
some
we'll
talk
through
some
additional
engagement
opportunities.
T
B
Thank
you,
okay,
so,
back
to
this
point,
is
everybody
comfortable
with
moving
forward
with
b
with
the
idea
that
that
does
not
exclude
C
or,
let
me
say
who
is
comfortable
with
moving
forward
with
that
approach?.
B
B
Up,
oh
I'm,
sorry,
I'm,
sorry,
okay,
Lauren!
You
would
prefer
to
have
just
to
be
clear,
both
B
and
C
evaluations.
At
the
same
time,
yeah.
N
H
Nicole,
would
you
mind
if
I
ask
Lauren
a
question
on
that?
Yes,
Lauren,
would
you
be
okay,
I,
I,
I,
sure,
you're
concerned
I?
Think
you're
you're
right
to
raise
it?
Would
you
be
okay
if,
if
staff
is
part
of
the
RFP
also
asked
the
responders
to
provide
us
their
estimate
of
the
cost
of
build
cost
of
operations,
what
assumptions
are
making
on
take
rate,
what
a
rate
they
would
charge
a
different
Gig
throughputs?
H
N
Yeah
I
mean
I
would
like
that
better
I
think
that
in
some
ways
that's
a
staff
question
right
like
does
that
get
us
closer
to
being
able
to
make
a
guess
at
what
it
would
take
for
the
city
to
do
option
C.
T
I
I
think
it
excludes
in
in
Tim
and
Chris
I'd.
Welcome
your
thoughts
on
this
as
well,
but
I
think
that
it
excludes
the
sort
of
operational
analysis
that
it
would
take
in
the
whole
operational
side
of
this.
It
certainly
would
speak
to
the
capital
side
and
what
it
would
take
to
build
it,
but
there
would
still
be
a
missing
piece
there
to
actually
I
think
make
a
if
you
were
looking
to
actually
make
a
decision
between
B
and
C.
N
P
All
right,
Rachel
I,
want
to
clarify
and
push
us
past
9
30.
That
I
am
where
Lauren
is
that
the
question
was:
am
I
comfortable
moving
forward
with
B
I
mean
yes,
I'm,
not
uncomfortable
with
this
Council.
Having
done
that,
we
didn't
have
the
votes
to
go
BNC
concurrently,
so
I'm
comfortable,
but
my
preference
would
have
been
BNC
look
forward
to
hearing
back
what
the
B
result
is.
B
All
right
staff
that
I
think
you
have
everything
that
you
need
in
order
to
move
forward.
C
I
think
so,
and
I
appreciate
it.
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
what
we're
gonna
get
I
think
does
move
us
forward
on
future
conversations.
And
so
we
know
that
we
will
take
what
we
what
we
learn
and
then
we
will
come
back
when
we
come
back
in
the
summer
and
have
a
more
robust
conversation.
B
Great
thank
you
and
thank
you,
everybody
for
all
of
your
questions
and
points,
and
things
raised
tonight
which
hopefully
will
help
staff
as
they're
doing
this
exploration.
B
Thank
you,
I
apologize
for
taking
us
45
minutes
late,
but
it
was
awesome.
This
is
90
minutes.
So
great,
no
other
comments
or
anything.
N
Thank
you.
Oh
wait.
I
had
one
quick
one
which
was
just
right
when
I
got
on
Council.
There
was
a
discussion
about
broadband
and
me
and
Bob
volunteered
to
be
part
of
a
team
that
would
have
discussions
about
this
with
staff
and
I
personally
would
still
like
to
volunteer
to
be
part
of
that
team.
I
N
I
C
I
looked
to
Teresa
for
it,
because
if
this
is
a
formal
subcommittee
and
those
meetings
need
to
be
noticed,
so
that's
a
very
different
conversation
to
be
had
versus
some
of
the
staff
meetings
that
were
that
we're
having,
but
whether
that
has
to
be
a
topic
of
today's
conversation
or
whether
that's
a
future
convo
I
leave
it.
But
anytime.
We
have
two
or
more
council
members
that
constitutes
a
need
for
a
different
kind
of
notification.
Q
Which
which
I
think
would
sorry
just
jumping
right
in
which
which
I
think
we
should
also
think
through
the
implications
about
sort
of
whether
or
not
council
members
can
and
should
be
involved
in
a
procurement
process,
which
is
not
a
public
which
is
which
is
a
closed
process
until
it's
awarded,
and
so
there's
some
complicated
things
to
Think
Through.
So
so,
we'll
we'll
think
through
those
and
get
back
to
you.
I.
C
Appreciate
that
Teresa
and
was
not
necessarily
inviting
that
for
our
procurement
processes,
I
think
that's
a
very
that's
a
very
different
conversation.
B
All
right,
so
what
I'm
hearing
there
is
that
we'll
get
a
little
bit
more
information
back
about
that
and
we
can
schedule
some
time
if
we
need
a
little
bit
of
time
and
a
future
meeting
to
discuss
all
right
well
with
no
other
items,
unless
there
are
other
comments
going
once
going
twice:
okay,.
J
B
You
yeah
and
thank
you
especially
with
a
handful
of
us
that
are
fairly
new
to
all
of
this,
just
really
appreciate
all
the
history
and
context
and
from
Council
Members
as
well
as
staff.
So
thank
you
all
right,
then,
with
no
other
items
on
tonight's
agenda,
I
will
close
this
meeting
at
9.
32
pm
have
a
good
night.
Everyone,
and
thank
you
good.