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B
C
C
All
right
on
that
note,
it
is
6,
00
p.m.
So
ryan,
are
you
the
one
to
check
on
channel
8
support?
Are
we
ready
to
roll
this.
C
Carl,
thank
you.
Okay
and
I
see
a
quorum,
so
we
will
get
going
hi
everyone.
I
am
rachel
friend
a
member
of
boulder
city
council,
my
pronouns
are
she
and
her
and
I
will
be
chairing
tonight's
meeting
and
we
are
officially
calling
this
meeting
to
order.
This
is
a
study
session,
so
no
roll
call
is
required.
C
C
Second,
for
vaccinations.
The
state
vaccine
hotline
is
available
24
hours
a
day,
seven
days
a
week
and
answers
are
provided
in
multiple
languages,
including
spanish.
You
can
call
that
hotline
at.
C
C
So
that's
first
announcement.
Second
new
slide:
please
will
be
boards
and
commissions
our
annual
recruitment
for
the
2021
boards
and
commissions
has
closed
for
most
of
the
boards
or
commissions.
C
First,
the
boulder
junction
access
district
parking,
a
second
boulder
junction
access,
district
travel
demand
management
and
third,
the
beverage
licensing
authority.
If
you
are
interested
in
applying
for
one
of
these
boards,
please
view
our
boards
and
commissions
website
at
boulder
colorado.gov
boards,
hyphen
commissions.
C
All
right.
Third
announcement
is
on
the
energy
partnership
advisory
panel.
As
we
will
discuss
later
tonight.
The
city
and
excel
energy
are
partnering
and
are
now
seeking
a
representative
group
of
community
members
to
serve
on
the
first
energy
partnership
advisory
panel.
The
panel
will
meet
regularly
to
review
and
discuss
energy
issues
and
provide
feedback
on
projects
and
programs
that
arise
from
the
partnership.
The
advisory
panel
will
serve
to
connect
the
community
to
the
new
partnership
by
representing
electricity
and
gas
customers
in
boulder
in
both
residential
and
commercial
sectors.
C
The
panel
will
review
project
proposals,
gather
perspectives
on
community
impacts
and
make
recommendations
to
the
partnerships.
Project
oversight,
team
interested
members
of
the
community
are
invited
to
learn
more
about
the
working
group
and
apply
at
boulderdale
boulder
colorado.gov
energy,
hyphen
future
slash
excel
hyphen
partnership
and
I
hope
that's
up
on
the
slide.
The
application
will
close
at
5
pm
on
february
26th,
all
right
with
that
announcements
are
done,
and
now
I
will
turn
to
our
interim
city
manager,
chris
messcheck,
to
kick
off
the
staff
presentations
for
the
library
district
discussion.
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D
Tonight
we're
also
going
to
talk
about
funding
library,
service
services,
library,
governance
and
the
process
of
library
district
formation,
the
municipal
we
should
be
on
slide
two
right
now
by
the
way
the
the
municipal
library
is
governed
by
the
by
the
city
council,
with
the
advice
of
the
library
commission
in
the
future.
D
However,
it
could
also
be
governed
by
a
separate
government
entity,
a
library
district,
with
its
own
separate
board
of
trustees,
we're
going
to
review
the
process
for
creating
a
library
district,
listen
to
the
council's
conversation
and
answer
any
questions
that
you
may
have
about.
Tonight's
topics.
D
D
The
issue
of
library,
funding
and
government
was
raised
as
part
of
the
library
master
plan
that
was
adopted
by
the
city
council
in
2018
in
2019.
An
advocacy
group
called
the
boulder
library
champion,
circulated
a
petition
with
the
objective
of
forming
a
library
district
that
included
land
both
in
the
city
and
unincorporated
boulder
county.
D
The
timelines
in
the
state
library
law
are
fast
moving
and,
as
the
process
was
unfolding,
the
city
asked
the
library
champions
to
hold
the
petition
for
the
29
2019
election
and
let
the
city
have
a
more
robust
discussion
about
library
funding
in
march
2020.
The
council
was
ready
to
start
to
have
that
discussion
and
and
a
public
hearing
regarding
the
district.
D
That
discussion
was
interrupted
by
the
covet
19
pandemic.
D
We're
picking
that
conversation
up
now
and
intend
to
return
to
the
council
in
april
to
ask
the
council
whether
it
wants
to
look
at
approaches
to
fund
the
life,
the
municipal
library
or
in
the
alternative.
To
start
the
process
for
creating
a
library
district,
so
whoever's
running
this
slide.
If
you
could
take
me
to
slide
three,
the
city
can
continue
its
municipal
library
if
it
so
chooses
in
the
alternative.
D
There
are
two
approaches
to
creating
a
library
district
under
the
colorado
library
law,
governments
that
have
the
authority
to
create
libraries
to
can
come
together
and
through
cooperation,
adopt
resolutions
to
create
library
districts.
The
other
approach,
as
we
experience
at
least
part
of
in
2019,
is
through
a
petition
process.
D
D
If
a
a
governmental
entity
such
as
a
city
that
already
has
a
library
if
they
want
to
opt
out,
they
have
the
opportunity
to
opt
out
of
the
district
once
form
the
remaining
steps
of
creating
a
lot.
A
library
district
are
the
same
for
both
processes
and
I'll
get
into
those
in
a
little
bit
more
detail.
In
a
moment,
a
question
was
asked
about
whether
the
city
or
county
could
just
refer
the
entire
question
of
a
library
district
to
the
voters.
D
D
D
Adoption
of
the
resolution
or
ordinance,
the
legislative
bodies
establish
the
district
and
provide
for
its
financial
support,
beginning
on
or
before
january,
1st
of
the
f
following
the
adoption
of
the
resolution,
and
they
also
appoint
the
first
board
of
trustees.
D
So,
if
you
could
take
me
to
slide
five
next,
the
legislative
body
of
each
participating
government
will
develop
the
iga
within
90
days.
This
time
can
be
extended
by
mutual
agreement
of
the
parties.
The
iga
describes
those
rights
and
obligations
discussed
above
that
are
parties
to
the
agreement.
Typical.
D
Please,
if
the
establishment
is
by
a
petition
of
the
registered
election,
the
following
procedures
are
used.
The
petitioners
draft
a
petition
that
includes
a
request
for
the
establishment
of
a
library
district,
all
of
the
governments
that
will
be
creating
a
library
district,
in
our
case,
the
city
and
the
county.
D
D
D
Next
slide,
so
this
slide
here
just
simply
demonstrates
a
sample
timeline
of
how
one
might
look
to
forming
a
library
district,
either
by
resolution
or
ordinance
or
or
if
you
were
to
go
the
petition
route.
Of
course,
this
is
conceptual,
so
it
would
need
to
be
tailored
to
actual
timelines
and
notices
that
are
required
in
the
statute.
G
Thanks
david
and
good
evening,
council,
if
we
could
go
to
the
next
slide,.
C
H
C
I
was
going
to
save
all
questions
till
the
end
because
they
weren't
built
in,
but
if.
G
Okay
thanks,
I'm
kara
skinner
assistant,
director
of
finance,
so
we
are
going
to
now
step
into
funding
and
we're
going
to
cover
the
total
cost
of
service.
Different
estimates
for
different
levels
of
service,
we're
going
to
talk
about
four
different
library
funding
scenarios
and
then,
specifically
with
regard
to
a
library
district.
What
the
budget
impact
would
be
to
the
city's
budget
and
then
other
potential
financial
matters
that
we
just
want
to
provide
context
for
council
as
they
make
this
as
they
have
this
discussion.
G
So,
first
we're
going
to
talk
about
the
total
cost
of
providing
library
services
and
the
total
current
budget
is
comprised
of
the
2021
operating
budget,
which
is
6.4
million
dollars
funded
by
the
general
fund
and
1.4
million
dollars
funded
by
the
library
fund,
which
has
a
dedicated
mill
levy
of
0.333
that
helps
fund
provide
funding
for
the
library
fund.
So
the
total
2021
operating
budget
for
the
library
is
7.8
million
dollars.
G
Then
the
other
cost
of
providing
library,
services
that
is
budgeted
is
administrative
overhead
or
what
we
commonly
call
cost
allocation,
and
that
is
the
cost
of
support
services
to
the
library
such
as
human
resources,
finance
information
technology
facilities,
things
like
that
and
the
total
cost
of
that
is
3.4
million
and
that
is
funded
by
the
general
fund.
It
is
just
simply
not
reflected
if
you
look
into
the
city's
budget
book
at
the
library
department
budget.
You
won't
see
this
captured
there,
but
it
is
a
true
cost
of
providing
library
services.
They
do
require
that
support.
G
What
is
not
funded,
as
we
all
know,
that
there
was
a
reduction
to
the
library
budget
for
2021
from
what
we
had
planned
in
2020
and,
and
that
is
a
budget
gap
due
to
the
covet
19
economic
crisis
and
the
resulting
financial
crunch
for
the
city.
So
if
we
were
to
refund
that,
that
would
cost
1.3
million
dollars.
G
So
if
we
had
that
additional
level
of
service
that
would
cost
4.2
million
for
a
total
of
20
million
dollars,
so
total
cost
of
library
services
at
the
expanded
service
level
would
be
20
million
dollars
and
you'll
see
this
15.8
and
the
20
million
on
some
later
slides.
G
G
This
new
dedicated
property
tax
mill
levy
on
a
representative
residential
property
owner,
and
we
assumed
the
market
value
of
that
property
to
be
eight
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars.
So
it's
you
can
do
the
math.
If
you
wanted
to
calculate
for
a
property
that
was
half
that,
if
it
was
a
property
with
a
market
value
of
425
000,
then
you
would
just
split
these
numbers
in
half,
but
we're
using
850
000,
I
think,
is
actually
less
than
the
median
in
boulder
right
now.
G
So
for
the
county,
this
would
be
an
increase
of
3.85
mills,
so
the
impact
would
be
a
234
dollar
increase
to
their
annual
property
tax
bill
for
properties
within
the
city.
We
assume
the
property
owners
would
only
be
assessed
a
total
mill
levy
of
3.85
for
the
library,
so
the
city's
current
mail
levy,
as
I
mentioned
on
the
previous
slide,
the
city
currently
has
a
.33
dedicated
mill
levy
to
the
library.
G
G
G
So
the
next
scenario
is,
if
we
have,
if
the
city's
municipal
library
had
a
dedicated
property
tax,
that
would
fund
expanded
service
levels
similar
to
scenario,
one
that
would
generate
20
million
dollars
a
year
and
the
dedicated
property
tax
or
the
mill
levy
that
we
would
need
to
generate.
That
would
be
4.56
mills
and
it's
more
because
there
are
fewer
property
owners
paying
in
to
generate
that
same
level
of
revenue.
G
G
So
this
would
fund
the
budget
gap
from
covet,
19
reductions,
fund,
north
boulder
operating
and,
of
course,
fund
the
administrative
overhead,
because
we're
saying
it
would
fund
the
total
cost.
So
the
mill
levy
required
to
generate
that
15.8
million
dollars
would
be
3.53.
Mills
which
would
result
in
194
dollar
impact.
G
And
then
last
this
scenario,
four
is
sort
of
a
hybrid
scenario
of
current
undedicated
funding
and
potential
additional
increments
of
dedicated
property
tax.
So
I'll
walk
through
this
sort
of
line
by
line,
so
the
top
line
assumes
the
city's
current
funding,
which
is
that
general
fund
support
and
the
dedicated
0.333
mill
levy
would
support
that
current
level
of
funding,
which
is
the
11.2
million,
which
you
saw
on
that
total
cost
slide.
G
We
would
have
undedicated
funding,
plus
the
current
.33
mills,
to
support
the
current
level
of
funding
and
then,
if
we
were
wanting
to
add
dedicated
property
tax
to
fund
increments,
to
improve
our
service
level.
This
is
the
increments
that
you
would
need
for
each
so
that
next
line
to
fund
the
coven
19
gap,
which
is
1.3
million,
would
require
a
dedicated
mill
of
0.32
mils
and
the
impact
there.
G
My
little
zoom
guy
is
covering
it
up
is
19
dollars
a
year
increase
on
the
property
tax
bill.
The
next
line
to
generate
enough
to
cover
noble
operating
at
one
million
dollars
would
be
0.24
mills
with
a
15
annual
impact
and
the
last
line
to
fund
the
deferred
capital
maintenance
at
2.3
million
would
be
0.56
mils
additional
with
an
impact
of
34..
G
So
in
that
first
row
it
would
be
close
to
a
thousand
dollars
right,
nine
hundred
and
some
dollars
so
and
then
the
other
thing
to
just
keep
in
mind
with
commercial
property
is
on
average
their
property.
The
value
is
much
higher,
so
just
think
about
that.
That
would
be
another
in
all
practicality.
The
impact
would
be
more
than
a
thousand
dollars
for
pro
for
commercial
property
owners.
G
G
I
I
looked
to
that
word
instead
of
savings,
is
that
savings
sort
of
seems
to
imply
cost
avoidance
or
reduced
costs
and
really
there's
two
different
things
happening.
There
would
be
both
reduced
costs
or
avoided
costs,
but
there's
also
the
potential
for
new
revenue
and
new
revenue
offers
relief,
but
we
don't
think
of
that
as
savings.
So
it's
like
it's
like
if
we
had
a
new
revenue
source
to
fund
current
costs,
that
would
provide
us
budget
relief.
G
G
And
the
most
direct
and
near-term
relief
is
captured
in
that
first
bullet
point
that
it
would
free
up
current
general
fund
budget
of
6.4
million
dollars
that
could
be
used
for
other
high
priority
needs
and
then
the
other
near-term
relief
depending
upon
how
the
iga
is
constructed
and
if
the
library
district
contracted
with
the
city
to
continue
to
provide
administrative
support
services
that
would
provide
us
a
new
revenue
source
to
fund
those
costs
that
we
do
not
currently
have.
So
that
would
provide
us
relief.
G
So
if
you
add
those
two
together,
that's
9.8
million
dollars
close
to
10
million
dollars.
So
there
could
be
an
immediate
benefit
to
the
city
budget
of
approximately
10
million
dollars.
J
G
Want
to
acknowledge
that
we
say
there
there
would
be
no
net
budget
relief
related
to
the
1.4
million
dollars
that
the
library
fund
currently
funds,
because
we're
assuming
we
would
eliminate
that
mill
levy
so
the
while
the
costs
would
be
avoided.
We
would
also
lose
that
revenue,
so
no
net
change,
and
then
we
did
want
to
acknowledge
at
least
that
we
do
believe
this
would
relieve
future
general
fund
budget
pressure
to
fund
the
covet
19
gap
north
boulder,
operating
and
deferred
capital
maintenance.
G
We
did
not.
So
if
you
add
all
that
up,
that
gets
you
to
the
14.4
million
dollars.
We
did
not
include
those
additional
costs
to
fund
that
expanded
service
level.
We
think
that
that's
probably
very
visionary
and
and
whether
the
city
would
realistically
be
building
that
into
the
budget
with
its
current
revenue
sources
is
not
as
likely
so
we
we
constrained
this
at
the
up
to
14.4
million
and
again
that
would
be
over
time
and
it
would
depend
upon
the
construct
of
the
iga
and
whether
the
city
would
provide
administrative
services
to
the.
G
So
last,
as
as
we
did
when
we
discussed
the
capital
tax
renewal
with
you
last
week
as
you're
having
as
you're
considering
library,
governance
and
funding,
we
wanted
to
provide
you
the
context
of
other
financial
matters
and
tax
policies
that
are
being
considered
to
have
a
holistic
look
and
so
capital
infrastructure
sales
and
use
tax.
Renewals.
The
first
item
listed
here.
G
G
So
those
are
the
big
picture,
funding
summary
related
to
the
library
and
with
that
I
think
next
slide.
I'm
going
to
kick
it
back
over
to
david
gere.
D
Well,
I
think
that
we
were
thinking
that
tonight
it
would
be
great
to
get
council's
questions
on
the
table
and
if
you
have
any
thoughts
about
how
we
want
to
go
forward
and
how
we
will
how
how
you
would
wish
to
see
a
public
hearing
structured
in
april.
D
We
would
love
to
get
some
feedback
from
you
and
so
that
we
can
kind
of
design
a
good,
a
good
meeting
and
a
good
discussion
on
kind
of
the
next
steps
associated
with
governing
the
library,
as
well
as
funding
it
and
in
closing
juana
gomez.
One
of
the
library
commissioners
is
on
the
call
as
well
and
at
cac.
They
requested
that
a
library
commissioner
be
in
attendance
today
and
be
provide,
be
provided
an
opportunity
to
say
some
words
to
the
council
as
well.
L
D
L
Okay
well,
thank
you,
council,
and
thank
you
david
for
the
introduction,
I'm
juana
gomez.
I
am
a
commissioner
for
the
library
and
I
wanted
to
reiterate
our
request
for
this
evening.
We
would
like
council
to
seriously
consider
creating
a
library.
F
L
L
Members
of
creating
a
committee
to
further
look
into
this.
L
Of
council
members
and
perhaps
somebody
from
commission
from
library
commission
so
that
these
questions
and.
L
To
restart
the
public
discussion
about
the
library
district,
with
an
outreach
of
communication
about
what
all
this
means
and
how
does
this
benefit
the
city?
Thank
you.
C
Awesome,
thank
you.
I
wanna
david
and
cara
and
carl
I'm
sorry.
I
butchered
your
name
on
the
front
end
here.
So
thanks
for
bearing
with
me
on
that,
I
see
a
couple
hands
up.
So
are
there
staff?
Is
there
a
staff
slide
with
questions
for
council.
C
All
right
thanks!
So,
let's
start
with
just
general
questions
about
the
presentation
and
general
questions
that
you
have
and
then
we'll
get
into
the
specific
questions
and
discussion.
C
So
I
see
sam
up
first
and
then
aaron
bob
and
mark
and
real
quick
wanted
to
make
an
announcement
that
council
member
nagel
is
on
this
zoom
call,
but
her
her
volume
isn't
working
on
her
computer,
so
she
had
to
call
in
so
you
may
not
be
able
to
see
her,
but
she
is
here
and
I
can
see
her
hand
when
it
goes
up
so
hi
mirabai,
thanks
for
bearing
with
us,
okay,
sam
over
to
you.
N
Thanks
very
much
and
thanks
staff
for
the
presentation,
I
guess
first
I'll
ask
it
as
a
question
we
have
march
17th
on
the
last
slide
for
our
next
action.
I
assume
that's
supposed
to
be
a
different
date.
Is
that
correct.
D
N
Okay,
great
so
just
for
the
public
who's
watching
the
next
step
will
be
a
march
or
sorry
april,
20th
public
hearing.
If
it
would
be
possible
to
go
back
to
slide
four,
I
guess
I'll
start
really
quickly
with
governance
questions
and
then
I'll
move
on
to
some
finance
questions
I
have
but
I'll
start
asking
before
we
get
there
david.
This
is
probably
for
you.
It
talks
about
90
days
and
then
the
ability.
N
D
N
D
Is
that
once
the
the
petition
has
been,
you
know
that
they
have
certified
the
signatures,
then
the
county
commissioners
will
send
a
notice
to
the
city
setting
a
date
for
a
hearing
on
the
ballot
title
that
it
is
at
least
90
days
beyond
the
date
of
that
notice
and
within
that
time
frame
up
to
30
days
before
the
the
commissioners
take
action
on
that
ballot.
Title
that's
the
period
when
the
city,
if
it
chooses
to
opt
out,
may
opt
out
of
the
district.
D
I'd
have
to
check
the
statute,
but
I
believe
so
yeah,
actually
that
that
looks
like
the
90
days
is
I
I
I
need
to
check
the
statute.
I
noticed
that
janet
michaels
just
popped
on.
Do
you
have
a
response
janet?
I.
O
Do
there's
there's
not
a
thank
you.
This
is
janet
michaels
with
the
city
attorney's
office.
There
is
not
an
opt
out
option
when
we
pass
a
resolution
or
an
ordinance
to
join
the
district.
So
that's
all
it
does.
It
gives
us
an
opt-out
so
that
if
a
petition
gets
filed
that
we
don't
have
control
over,
if
you
will,
then
we
can
opt
out
of
being
a
part
of
the
district,
but
if
we're
forming,
if
we
want
to
participate
in
the
formation
of
it,
we're
doing
that
by
ordinance
with
a
resolution
from
the
county.
N
Essentially
right,
so
I
understand
all
of
that.
I'm
sorry!
Let
me
try
rephrasing
my
question
one
more
time
on
slide.
Five.
It
says
within
90
days
enter
into
an
intergovernmental
agreement,
and
so
there's
a
90
days,
and
so
is
that
90
days
to
enter
into
an
iga
from
the
time
that
council
would
adopt
a
formation
resolution,
that's
correct
and
so
that
90
days
to
enter
into
an
iga
is
by
the
library
statute.
N
Right
and
so
that's
what
I
was
going
to
ask,
because
if
we
had
90
days
from
a
formation
resolution
to
create
an
iga,
if
we
look
at
the
ig,
it's
pretty
complicated
arrangement
that
would
need
to
be
made.
So
it
seems
like
we
definitely
want
to
have
that,
be
something
we
could
talk
about,
but
that
is
required
by
statute.
N
G
N
So
how
far
out
did
we
amortize
the
deferred
capital
maintenance
in
the
sense
that
the
question
is
because
it
seems
like
once
we
got
past
the
deferred
maintenance
or
on
a
regular
maintenance
schedule?
Then
it
would
only
be
new
capital
that
would
be
required.
So
how
did
we
blend
the
deferred
capital
with
the
new
capital
deferred
maintenance
with
the
new
company.
G
Yeah,
I
I
don't
know
that
exact
number
I
can
see
if
devin
billingsley
our
senior
budget
manager
knows
that
answer
and
if
not,
we
can
clarify
that
in
our
follow
up
to
this
study
session.
If
that
helps.
P
Yes,
so
that
is
something
that
we
certainly
can
verify,
but
I
believe
I'll
stop
my
head.
It
was
either
10
or
15
years,
but
we
can
certainly
conf
can
learn
that.
N
Okay,
it
just
seems
like
when
we're
past
the
deferred
part
when
we
caught
up.
I
was
curious
if
that
would
go
down
going
forward
or
not
another
question
about
something
cara
that
you
talked
about,
which
is
commercial
properties,
and
so
I
was
curious,
are
apartment
buildings,
considered
commercial
properties.
P
So
answer
that
the
answer
is
yes,
and
no
so
technically,
when
you
ass
s
them,
they
are
only
assessed
at
the
currently.
The
residential
rate
is
a
7.15,
whereas
all
other
commercial
properties
are
20.
P
29
so
for
purposes
of
property
tax
calculations,
they
are
actually
more.
N
Got
it,
and
so
that
means
that
the
impact
on
renters
is
proportional
to
the
property
value
just
like
it
is
with
homeowners.
So
I
was
just
checking
to
see
if
renters
would
pay
the
higher
commercial
rate
or
not
so
that's
great
to
know,
and
then
I
guess
the
final
question
I've
got
is
about
the
14.4
million
dollar
potential
budget
relief,
so
the
deferred
capital
maintenance
line
of
that
is
some
blend
of
deferred
capital
on
future
expansion
capital,
and
I
understand
that
part.
I
wanted
to
dig
into
the
nobo
operating
just
a
bit.
N
I
think
bob
had
asked
a
question
about
this
in
the
past
recently,
which
was
he
didn't?
Remember
it
being
1
million,
and
so
is
it
1
million
loaded
with
the
additional
overhead,
or
is
that
one
million
direct
and
there's
additional
overhead?
On
top
of
that.
G
Thanks
sam,
I
appreciate
that
I
meant
to
address
that
in
my
presentation.
So
yes,
the
one
million
dollars
for
operating
has
been
the
estimate
for
operating
alone
for
the
north
boulder
library.
N
Okay-
and
we
have
this
3.4
million
dollars,
which
appears
not
to
have
changed
as
we
reduced
the
general
fund
budget
from
7.5
million
to
6.4
million
or
whatever
was
it
was
a
reduction
because
of
covid
so
and
then
we're
adding
back
in
the
coven
19
gap,
and
so
I'm
just
curious,
with
both
the
coven
19
gap
and
nobo
operating
and
deferred
capital
maintenance
with
all
of
those
added
in
is
it
still?
3.4
million
will
be
the
administrative
overhead,
or
does
that
change
because
it
seems
like
the
general
fund
amount?
N
G
So
I
appreciate
that
question
and
I
actually
think
what
you
just
mentioned-
sort
of
offsets
they
might
offset
each
other,
so
the
3.4
million
does
get.
We
have
a
cost
allocation
step
study
that
we
do
it
typically
every
two
years,
and
so
it
does
get
revised
based
upon
new
budgets
for
those
support
departments.
G
So
there
is
potential
that,
given
the
fact
that
some
of
those
support
departments
budgets
went
down
that
that
3.4
million
might
go
down
because
of
that,
but
there
is
the
potential
that
the
library
is
going
to
need
proportionately
more
services
from
those
departments
than
they
did
before.
So,
even
though
the
budget
went
down,
their
cost
share
might
go
up,
so
things
are
going
to
move
around.
I
think
that
that
3.4
million
is
a
conservative
number.
G
You
know
in
a
year
or
two
it
might
be
slightly
different,
but
I
think
somewhere
between
3
million
and
3.4
million
dollars
and
or
3.5
million
dollars
in
support
needed
for
a
for
us.
G
N
D
N
Okay
and
assuming
that
we
wouldn't
have
a
tax
for
it,
yet
we
would
put
out
what
we
expect
the
mill
levy
to
be,
and
once
we
do
that
say
that
we
did
that
and
then,
through
the
process
of
the
iga
and
the
recalculation
of
the
overhead
rates
and
things
that
the
the
amount
that
the
council
future
council
decided.
It
wanted
to
set
up
an
iga
for
what,
if
that
was
different
than
the
mill
levy
which
was
set
in
the
resolution.
D
N
D
Well
or
change
it,
and
I
would
just
need
to
check
you
know
to
make
sure
that
this
is
that
this
is
an
accurate
statement,
but
you
know
the
way
it's
worded
in
the
statute.
It's
it's
it's
worded
as
more
along
the
lines
of
you're
you're
supposed
to
declare
what
the
estimate
is.
So
to
me.
D
That
seems
to
indicate
that
you
know
there
might
be
a
little
bit
of
room
for
up
and
down,
but
I,
but
I
would
I
would
I
would
check
with
kim
on
that
before
I
you
know,
drew
a
line
in
the
sand
and
then,
of
course,
yeah.
D
Oh
well,
there
you
know,
there's
also
two
places,
you
know.
If
you
do
the
you
know,
if
you,
the
the
county
commissioners,
could
put
on
a
tabor
measure
for
the
district,
that's
one
approach
and
that
would
usually
be
done
right
at
the
beginning
or
if
it's
in
subsequent
years
you
know
the
district
board
itself
can
do
a
tabor
measure.
You
know
once
you
have
a
board
of
trustees
appointed
and
the
authority.
N
Got
it
it
just?
It
was
a
question
because
it
seems
like
we're
going
to
get
a
lot
more
detailed
within
the
iga.
If
we
looked
at
the
outline
for
the
iga
that
the
library
commission
mailed
to
all
of
council,
that
outline
doesn't
have
terms
written
into
it
or
anything,
but
it
talks
about
what
you
would
need
to
know
and
part
of
that
is
budget
and
use
of
funds
and
and
all
of
that,
everything
about
the
transfer.
N
And
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
if
we
were
thinking
about
doing
something
by
resolution,
we
don't
lock
ourselves
into
a
middle
levy
rate.
Then,
when
we
haven't
necessarily
gone
through
the
entire
iga
process
and
my
last
question
just
to
make
sure
I'm
tracking
the
iga
that
would
be
put
together
after
a
district
formation
with
that
iga
be
between
the
city,
the
county
and
the
trustees
of
the
district.
D
Yeah,
the
district,
so
so
you
would,
it
would
be,
the
iga
would
be
entered
into
by
all
the
governmental
entities
that
are
throwing
in
for
the
district,
and
it's
typically
the
people
that
have
you
know,
responsibilities
under
the
district.
So
whether
or
not
I'm
not
sure
if
the
county
would
necessarily
have
to
be
a
party
to
the
district,
but
I
think
it
certainly
that
it
would
be
anticipated.
D
My
guess
is,
is
that
you
know
the
county
would
not
be
throwing.
Unless
you
know
the
county
would
not
be
throwing
money
into
this
and
yeah.
My
guess
is,
is
that
they
are
more
of
a
an
entity
that
has
responsibilities
that
are
described
by
state
statute
as
opposed
to
things
that
they
would
otherwise
do
in
terms
of
just
providing
governmental
services.
N
Got
it,
and
so
the
the
anticipation
is
that
if
we
don't
involve
the
county
through
a
petition
process
to
form
the
district,
if
we
form
a
district
by
resolution,
establish
the
trustees
of
the
district
seat
them,
then
most
of
the
iga
will
be
between
the
library
district
and
the
city,
with
some
kind
of
tangential
involvement
of
the
county
per
statute.
D
D
They
lay
out
a
statute.
They
lay
out
a
process
where
the
city
puts
a
couple
of
people
into
a
committee.
The
county
puts
a
couple
of
people
into
a
committee
and
together
that
committee
appoints
the
first
board
of
trustees,
which
then
gets
ratified
by
the
boulder
city
council
and
the
boulder
county
commissioners.
C
Thanks,
sam
okay:
next
we
have
aaron
and
then
bob
and
mark
well,
look
your
hand
was
up
and
went
down.
So
if
you
have
questions,
if
you
could
put
your
hand
up
again,
that
would
help
over
to
aaron.
A
Thank
you
very
much
so
with
this.
So
the
first
one
is
a
library
district
and
the
second
two
have
substantial,
dedicated
property
taxes
and
then
the
last
one
has
small
additional
increments
of
dedicated
property
taxes
had
a
couple
questions
about
the
scenarios
so
for
one
I
believe
that
car,
the
budget
relief
that
you
talked
about,
we
would
get
that
with
the
library
districts,
but
we
wouldn't
like
with
that
that
fourth
option
correct
the.
Can
you
just
have
some
additional
increments
of
dedicated
property
tax,
no
budget
relief.
G
G
So
I
think
that
this
4.6
million
dollars-
that
is
the
total
of
the
bottom
three
lines
of
scenario
for
we
could
realize.
G
A
So
the
that
these
dedicated
taxes,
they
would
require
a
charter
change,
wouldn't
they
like
how
far
away
are
we
from
our
charter
limit
on
property
taxes
right
now,.
D
A
That's
okay!
Yeah!
If
you
you
wouldn't
mind
throwing
that
number
together
when
you
get
a
chance,
but
anyway,
if
we
wanted
to
fund
with
a
dedicated
property
tax,
we
would
need
to
not
only
have
a
tabor
election,
but
also
a
charter
change.
I
believe
so
is
that
right,
that's
correct!.
C
A
C
A
Yes,
yeah,
I
think
it's
required,
so
all
right.
So
now,
if
we
did
get
that
budget
relief,
then
the
funds
that
were
freed
up
those
would
be
essentially
discretionary
right,
like
we
could
use
those
for
whatever
purposes
we
felt
like
were
the
highest
priority.
G
That's
correct
so
again
that
we
did
want
to
include
this
budget
relief
concept
of
the
relieving
us
of
the
pressure
of
having
to
fund
this
so
say
in
the
future
budget
year.
If
we
had
a
dedicated
mill
levy
to
fund
noble
operating
and
our
current
revenue
sources
grew,
we
could
then
we
would
be
free
to
use
that
revenue
source
on
other
high
priorities
in
the
city.
A
Thanks
and
would
there
be
any
limitations
to
prevent
us
setting
up,
say
a
property
tax
relief
program
with
some
of
those
funds
say
something
that
small
businesses
or
individuals
who
are
you
know
for
whom
the
incremental
increase
in
property
taxes
would
be
difficult
to.
You
know
have
a
kind
of
a
rebate
program
that
people
could
apply
to.
A
A
A
There
we
go
yeah,
I
was
I
was
staring
at
this
and
it
went
away
pretty
quickly.
This
is
really
helpful.
So
if
we,
if
we
wanted
to
go
the
resolution
ordinance
route,
could
we
form
the
could
we
have
a
public
hearing
on
the
resolution
of
the
library
district
sooner
in
the
process
like?
Would
there
be
anything
stopping
us
from
giving
direction
tonight
to
say
like
rather
than
have
two
public
hearings?
Let's
have
our
next
public
hearing
be
on
whether
we
should
have
a
resolution
resolution
from
the
library
district.
A
C
Thanks
for
keeping
discussion
cleanly
away
from
questions,
erin
chris
mess
chuck,
I
see
your
hand
up.
Do
you
have
something
to
add
to
aaron's
questions.
E
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
jump
in
on
the
last
on
one
of
erin's
questions
related
to
the
the
mill
levy
rate,
so
the
charter
cap
is
13.
Mils
currently
is
what's
listed
in
the
charter
and
we're
at
11.981.
If
my
memory
serves
me
correctly
and
devin
or
cara
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong.
So
so
that's
that's
our.
You
know
it's
just
over
one
mill
that
I
think
is
our
our
rule,
where
we
would
have
to
amend
the
charter.
H
I've
got
a
couple
questions
for
david.
I
had
more,
but
sam
sam
stole
most
of
my
thunder.
So
thank
you
sam
for
that
david.
Just
a
couple
questions
then
I
do
have
several
for
cara.
I'm
still
struggling
a
little
bit
understanding
the
the
mill
love
you
versus
the
taber
vote.
First
of
all,
I
guess
first
question
is
under
both
scenarios.
That
is
a
resolution
by
the
county
in
the
city
or
a
petition
by
residents.
In
both
instances
does
there
have
to
be
a
declaration
of
the
estimate
of
the
mill
levy?
H
Yes,
okay
and
you
know,
if
that
to
sam's
point
about
well
what
if
we
get
it
wrong,
what
if
we
put
down
a
mill
levy
and
then
a
year
or
two
later
is
there's
a
taber
vote
and
it's
wildly
off.
Do
you
know
if,
if
people
put
down
ranges
of
mill
levees,
which
we
said,
we
think
it's
going
to
be
more
than
two
and
less
than
five
or
do
you
have
to
pick
a
number.
D
That
I
would
have
to,
I
would
have
to
look
that
up
and
okay
about
that
idea.
When.
H
You
look
that
up
maybe
helpful
to
find
out
if
other
jurisdictions
have
gotten
themselves
in
a
situation
where
they've
picked
a
mill
levy
and
then
their
table
vote
ends
up
being
different.
I
guess
the
question
is
how
much
how
much
grace
do
you
have
there
so
you're
doing
that
research
that'd
be
helpful
and
then
the
only
other
question
I
have
for
david
right
now
is:
it
sounds
like
the
car.
The
county
is
a
party
to
this
three-way
iga,
which
has
to
be
negotiated
in
a
relatively
short
period
of
time.
H
D
They
do
frankly,
I
don't
know
the
extent
to
which
they
know
about
the
resolution
or
ordinance
formation
part,
but
I
think
that,
just
in
terms
of
conversation
that
have
had
been
had
between
the
staffs,
it's
my
understanding,
at
least
with
the
prior
commissioners,
was
that
they
were.
They
were
not
particularly
interested
in
forming
a
a
library
district
by
petition
or
not
by
petition,
I'm
sorry
by
resolution
or
ordinance
if
the
city
was
not
on
board
with
it.
H
Sure
I
mean
some
of
you
might
just
since
we
have
two
out
of
three
new
county
commissioners
as
of
a
month
and
a
half
ago,
somebody
might
just
check
in
with
with
the
county
staff
the
county
commissioners
give
them
a
heads
up
that
we're
having
these
discussions
so
they're
not
blindsided
this
spring
or
summer.
Could
we
go
to
slide
nine.
H
Okay,
sam
almost
asked
my
question:
it's
my
understanding,
cara
that
we're
spending,
or
at
least
pre-covered
we
were
spending
about
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
operating
the
nobel
hub.
Is
that
right,
yes,
okay
and
that
300
000
is
presumably
embedded
either
in
the
7.8
million
that
we're
spending
this
year
or
in
the
1.3
million
gap.
I'm
not
sure
how
much
of
that
300
000
got
cut,
maybe
it's
all
in
the
1.3
and
all
got
cut,
but
somewhere
in
the
9.1
million.
F
G
H
G
Right
right,
okay,
so
I
just
want
to
verify
that,
but
it
has
always
to
my
knowledge.
It
has
always
been
said
that
we
needed
one
million
dollar
additional
operating
to
run
the
new
north,
boulder
library.
H
Yeah
that'd
be
that'd,
be
great,
because
I
want
to
make
sure
we
don't
double
connect
that
300
thousand
stand
on
slide
nine.
This
is
kind
of
a
similar
question
to
what
sam
asked
about
the
2.3
million
defer
capital
maintenance.
How
much
of
that
is
how
much
of
that
is
backlog?
That's
been
advertised
over
a
certain
period
of
time
versus
how
much
of
it
is.
Oh,
we
should
spend
you
know
a
million
dollars
a
year
or
whatever
to
keep
up
the
capital,
so
it'd
be
good
to
get
that
detail.
H
Sam
has
asked
for,
but
I'd
also
appreciate
the
detail
on
the
4.2
million,
because
again
we
have
apples
and
oranges.
Here
we
have
operating
capital.
So,
for
example,
one
of
the
things
that
was
mentioned
that
the
4.2
million
would
be
spent
on
was
there's
like
a
one
or
two
million
dollar
capital
shortfall
on
the
construction
north
boulder
library.
H
That,
of
course,
is
a
one-time
expense,
but
this
4.2
million
is
every
year
forever,
so
it'd
be
nice
to
break
that
down
to
how
much
of
that
is,
is
operating
for
the
expanded
services
and
how
much
of
it
is
capital,
either
to
finish
nobo
or
to
build
gun
barrel
or
whatever.
It
is.
If
we
could
break
that
down
between
opex
and
capex
that'd
be
super
helpful.
H
The
the
second
bullet
point
is
what
I
want
to
ask
a
question
about
so
this
is.
This
is
money
that
we
spend
for
salaries
and
benefits
for
centralized
services
like
lawyers
it
hr
is
that's
allocated
to
the
library
and
it
kind
of
goes
up
and
down
every
year.
Is
that
right.
G
That's
correct
and-
and
there
are
a
lot
of
fixed
costs
in
there
too,
besides
salaries,
so
like
our
in
our
core
infrastructure
for
information,
technology
and
financial
systems,
and
things
like
that
that
our
foundation
all
are
included
in
that
as
well.
H
Thanks
and
so
this
is,
this-
is
our
it's
our
best
guess
at
kind
of
true
pass
through
costs.
I
know
it's
an
inexact
science,
but
the
idea
is
is
if,
if
one
were
to
to
run
a
library
standalone
without
city
support,
they
would
have
to
spend
3.4
million
ish
to
to
get
those
services,
or
at
least
that's
how
much
we
allocate
our
the
central
fund
towards
that.
Is
that
right,
correct?
H
G
So
that's
correct,
so
if
the
library
bought
these
services
from
us,
we
would
have
new
new
revenue
to
fund
those
costs
that
currently
general
fund
revenue
is
having
to
fund.
So
that's
why
it
would.
It
would
be
relieved
to
us
if
they
did
pay
us,
because
we'd
have
a
new
revenue
source
to
fund
those
costs
and
right
now
those
costs
are
being
covered
by
general
fund
resources.
G
G
G
So
we
don't
think
we
could
if
they
did
not
buy
services
from
us.
We
do
not
believe
we
would
have
budget
relief
to
the
tune
of
3.4
million.
It
may
be
2
million,
it
might
be
1.5
million.
It
would
be
some
amount
less
than
that.
H
But
if
we
I
get
that
so
that's
helpful.
So,
but
if
we,
if
we're
saying
that
we're
going
to
incur
these
expenses,
or
some
at
least
some
of
these
expenses
anyway,
is
that
3.4?
Is
it
really
fair
to
say
that
it
costs
us
6.4
million,
plus
some
of
those
other
numbers
plus
34.4,
to
operate
the
library?
H
If
we
have
to
spend
that
3.4
if
we
need
those
lawyers
and
it
people
and
hr
people
and
systems
anyway,
it's
really
not
costing
us
that
extra
3.4
million
to
operate
the
library,
because
if
we
just
shut
the
library's
doors
tomorrow,
which
we
would
never
do,
that
3.4
million
a
lot
of
it
wouldn't
go
away.
We
just
keep
spending.
Is
that
right.
G
So
if
we
look
at
that
slide,
the
total
cost
of
providing
these
services,
I
think
that
what
that
was
really
trying
to
get
at
is.
If,
if
you
are
trying
to
buy
services
to
run
a
library,
it
probably
would
cost
you
between
three
and
three
point:
five
million
dollars
to
have
those
administrative
services
for
you.
H
I
H
H
Okay,
that's
helpful
to
break
that
out
so
about
two
million
is
it
could
be
avoided
if
we
didn't
support
the
library
or
the
library
district
didn't
want
to
buy
from
us
and
1.4
is
unavoidable?
Is
that
your
rough
estimate?
I.
G
A
Sorry
to
interrupt,
but
just
that
I
mean
about
that-
there's
a
good
set
of
questions,
but
I
don't
think
you
could
back
any
of
it
out
of
the
current
way
that
we
talk
about
how
much
the
library
costs,
because,
because
it
is
the
library's,
you
know
proportionate
share
of
those
centralized
expenses
of
the
entire
city
organization.
So
I
mean
in
different
hypotheticals,
where
the
library
gets
turned
off
or
or
tries
to
provide
all
the
services
on
their
own.
C
M
D
It
could
be
done
by
lease
it
could
be
done
either
way
and
from
what
we've
looked
at
of
the
other
library
districts
that
have
been
formed
with
municipal
in
part,
municipal
libraries,
it's
been
done
both
ways.
M
So
we
can
effectively
ensure
that
those
assets
are
not
subject
to
any
future
financing
by
the
library
district.
Yes,
okay,
my
next
question
I
guess
would
be
I'm
not
sure
who
would
answer.
I
am
just
curious.
Does
anybody
know
what
percentage
of
the
voters
in
the
proposed
district
live
outside
of
the
city
of.
M
M
Are
there
any
estimates
for
future
growth
in
salaries,
expenses,
inflation
that
are
that
are
built
into
your
estimates,
if
we're
doing
a
library
district
and
raising
15.8
million
dollars?
P
Constructed
in
2018
they
did
account
for
growth
on
an,
I
believe,
an
annual
basis
of
I
think
three
percent
to
three
and
a
quarter
percent
in
that
range.
So
that
is
a
accounted
for
to
a
certain
extent.
M
But
the
tax
itself
will
be
relatively
fixed,
except
the
extent
that
property
values
go
up.
M
I
guess
my
last
question
would
be,
I
think,
for
kara
we
we're
using
a
calculation
of
the
tax
impact
based
on
home
values
of
850
000.
How
did
we
arrive
at
that
number.
G
I
think
that
was
the
number
that
was
used
by
the
consultants
back
in
2018
and
I
think
it
was
a
median
value
for
single-family
homes,
something
like
that
at
the
time.
But
again
you
can
do
math
around
that.
You
know
clearly
like
multi-family
home
has
condos
and
townhouses
have
probably
a
lot
of
value,
so.
M
I'm
just
concerned
that
that
may
not
appropriately
state
what
the
impact
of
the
tax
will
be.
I
I
did
some
very
sophisticated
financial
research
today
and
looked
on
the
mls,
and
I
found
12
listings
of
single
family
homes
at
850,
000
or
under
against
134
in
excess
of
850..
M
So
I
mean
it
says
to
me
that
we
may
be
looking
at
a
number.
That's
a
little
low
in
terms
of
that.
Q
M
G
Right,
we
do
think
that
the
average
I
think
of
the
commercial
property
is
closer
to
3
million
or
the
median
is
closer
to
3
million.
We
can
provide
a
table
and
attach
that
to
the
study
session
summary
that
sort
of
provides
a
table
of
different
assumed
market
values
for
both
residential
and
commercial
and.
M
Very
very
helpful:
okay,
okay,
I
think
you've
covered
my
questions.
G
H
G
F
C
H
Thank
you
so
carl
that
was
real
helpful.
If
you
could
actually
provide
three
pieces
of
information,
one
is
the
impact
to
a
median
price
of
a
house
which,
whatever
that
is,
I
think
it's
above
850
as
mark
says
these
days.
Second,
is
the
impact
of
course
gallagher
will
phase
in
over
a
long.
The
gallagher
elimination
will
phase
in
a
long
time.
H
So
just
let's
focus
on
now
what
what
the
impact
tax
impact
on
an
average
commercial
property
would
be,
and
the
third
element
that
I'd
asked
for
is
is
it
and
this
will
be
a
little
harder
to
calculate,
but
I'm
going
to
guess
that
the
folks,
the
good
folks
of
bahrain,
could
probably
help
us
with
this
is
how
much
would
be
the
impact
for
tenants.
H
I
know
that,
unlike
commercial
properties,
where
taxes
are
generally
passed
straight
through
residential
tenants,
which
are
about
53
of
our
residents,
indirectly
pay
taxes,
but
eventually
the
landlords
recoup
that,
in
the
in
the
course
of
rent,
if
you
could
work
with
bara
and
see
if
you
could
get
a
rough
estimate
from
them
about
how
much
how
much
an
average
rent
is
and
how
much
what
proportion
of
that
is,
property
taxes
and
therefore
what
the
increase
would
be
at
these
middle
levies.
That
would
be
real
helpful
for
our
residential
tenants.
Okay,.
H
C
All
right,
thanks
bob
and
mark
and
cara,
I
wanted
to
note
that
wanna
put
in
the
chat
that
it's
assessed
value,
not
sales
price.
If
that
was
not
yet
understood
and
also
wanted
to
ask,
I
saw
david
farnan's
hand
up
and
then
down
so
david
did
you
have
a
response
to
a
question
that
mark
wallach
asked?
C
K
K
We
upped
that
to
850
at
the
time
in
2019
or
2020,
when
we
were
preparing
the
packet
for
city
council,
because
again,
council
said
the
property
values
were
significantly
higher
than
that
average
assessed
value
and
as
far
as
commercial
properties,
I
mean
it
is
a
good
question
and
the
average,
I
believe,
is
three
million
over
forty
percent
of
the
commercial
properties
are
valued
at
under
eight
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars.
So
some
for
some
perspective
on
there.
K
The
average
may
not
give
us
what
we're
looking
for
in
the
sense
in
which
there
are
some
rather
large
property
holders,
large
property
holders
which
skew
that
average
up
to
3
million
when
more
than
40.
When
40
of
the
house,
commercial
properties
are
valued
at
under
850.
C
C
Thank
you
all
right,
thanks
for
that
answer,
and
we
may
have
more
questions
for
you
later
mary.
You
are
up
next.
J
Thank
you
rachel.
My
first
question
has
to
do
with
slide
number
three.
J
We've
been
focusing
on
establishing
it
by
ordinance
of
resolution,
and
I
wanted
to
better
understand
the
petition
route
as
I'm
as
I'm
interpreting
it
here
is
it
you
do
the
petition,
you
do
the
hundred
signatures
and
that
100
signatures,
plus
the
boundaries
and
proposed
mill
levy
that
would
come
through
the
petition
I
presume,
would
establish
the
district.
Is
that
correct.
D
That's
correct
so
the
hundred
signatures
that
gets
you
on
that
that
will
get
you
on
the
ballot,
so
a
hundred
verified
signatures
will
get
you
a
place
on
the
ballot.
D
When
you
go
down
to
that
second
or
the
third
box
in
the
list,
you
know
you
kind
of
go
into
that
the
loop
in
the
statute
that
always
kind
of
wants
you
to
do
it
by
by
resolution
or
ordinance
so
that
you
can,
it
could
be
established
at
that
point
or
if
the
county
doesn't
establish
the
district,
the
the
matter
gets
referred
to
the
voters
and
then,
if
the
voters
approve
it,
it's
formed
at
that
formation
election
time.
D
You
could
have
your
taber
election
at
that
same
election
or
you
could,
or
you
could
wait
until
a
year
from
then
and
do
a
taper
election
in
a
subsequent
year
and
some
districts
do
that
or
have
done
that.
I
think
it's
really
kind
of
a
question
of
strategy
and
you
know
what
what
you
think
will
be
successful.
D
J
D
J
So
so
yeah,
so
my
ques
yeah,
just
my
question
is:
is
the
district
established
after
the
votes,
the
the
ballot
measure
is
decided
or
is
the
district
established?
I'm
not
understanding
that
red
line
over
to
a
point
of
a
board
of
trustees
and
then
underneath
it
where
it
says
or
referred
to
voters
yeah.
Could
you
help
me
with
that?
Please
sure.
D
So
I
think
that
probably
what's
confusing
about
it
is
that
you
know
it's
referring
to
two
different
things.
There
are
two
different
paths
that
the
county
commissioners
can
take
at
this
point
in
the
process.
D
D
Just
they
just
say
thanks
for
the
petition
petitioners,
and
then
they
just
do
what
we
normally
do
during
ballot
season.
When
you
get
a
petition,
you
set
a
ballot
title
and
set
it,
send
it
to
the
county
clerk,
for
you
know
for
getting
put
on
ballots
for
the
november
election,
so
it's
two
different
processes
and
if
they
do
the
district,
which
is
why
it's
in
red
and
then
the
red
arrow,
if
the
district's
established
the
next
step
in
the
process,
is
you
point
the
board.
J
J
J
D
J
So
the
commissioners
have
two
choices:
then
they
can
either
establish
a
district
and
then
appoint
the
board
or
they
can
refer
the
establishment
to
the
voters
correct
and
then,
after
the
voters,
if
they
decide
they
affirmative
to
the
district,
then
the
board
is
formed.
That's
correct!.
D
And
there's:
okay,
there's
a
you
know:
there's
a
recipe,
basically
in
the
statute,
for
how
the
the
two
governmental
entities
cooperate
in
forming
that
first
board
of
trustees.
J
Okay
got
it.
Thank
you,
that's
very
helpful
and
then
that
my
next
question
has
to
do.
I
believe
it
is,
and
I
need
to
go
look
at
my
version
of
the
slides
here
that
I
have.
O
J
It's
the
one,
that's
got
the
the
general
fund
7.6
up
at
the
top.
I
think
that
might
be
slide.
Nine
is
that
right,
okay,.
J
Yeah
yeah,
that's
it
that's!
It
slide
nine!
So
that's
the
one!
So
on
slide
nine.
I
wanted
to
better
understand
the.
J
The
budget
gap
due
to
covid
1.3,
I'm
I'm
trying
to
understand
so
so
because
of
coved,
the
library
and
the
library
had
to
close.
So
it
had
to
close,
because
you
couldn't
have
people
congregating
in
the
numbers
that
they
usually
do
at
the
library.
So
because
of
the
closure.
Then
there
was
a
resultant
staff
reduction.
J
J
So
in
other
words
there
there
were
staff
that
were
there
was
really
no
where
to
go
for
work
because
it
was
closed
and
then
once
it
opens
up
how
many
of
the
people
would
return
to
work.
If
it
is
just
a
budget
gap,
am
I
is
there.
R
G
So,
thank
you,
mary,
and
we
did
talk
about
that
during
the
budget
process
and
the
reductions
that
were
proposed
by
the
library
were-
and
david
may
jump
in
here
too.
But
they
were
characterized
as
both
budget
reductions
because
of
public
health
requirements
as
well
as
budget
reductions,
because
of
the
need
to
offer
up
budget
reductions
because
of
the
decline
in
revenue
for
the
general
fund.
G
But
the
the
library
is
not
funded
to
return
to
pre-covered
levels
of
service
is
my
understanding
and.
K
Yeah
I
mean
thank
you
for
the
question
mary.
If
I
understand
correctly,
car
is
absolutely
right.
We
we
don't,
we
do
not
have.
We
do
not
have
the
funding
to
reopen
the
branches
in
the
budget
for
2021.
we're
going
to
do.
You
know
we're
going
to
do
everything
we
can
we're
trying
to
restructure
some
things
to
offer
as
much
services
as
we
possibly
can,
but
the
funding
the
funding
is
the
critical
issue
at
this
point.
J
Is
that
so
yeah,
that's
well,
that
kind
of
so
my
understanding
is
that
the
branches
won't
be
reopening,
but
that
the
main
library
would
reopen
and
and
it
would
have
less
capacity
than
prior
pre-covet.
Nevertheless,
it
would
be
a
difference
between
closed.
J
You
know,
because
of
covid
and
then
full
on
operation
and
in
between
full-on
operation
and
closure.
Because
of
covid
there
is
the
post-covet
reopening
level.
So
what
is
that
difference
and
is
that
the
full
1.3.
K
Yeah,
the
majority
I
I
mean
car
would
have
to
clarify
this,
but
the
majority
of
the
1.3
million
dollars
that
the
library
reduced
in
funding
for
2021
was
personnel
cost.
So
I
believe,
that's
in
excess
of
60
of
all
the
cuts
we
made
cuts
across
the
board
in
everything
collections,
but
the
primary
reductions
were
to
staffing.
K
No,
not
not
until
funding
were
restored,
so
if
funding
were
restored
in
2022,
yes,
we
would
reopen
the
buildings
with
the
current
with
the
pre-covered
levels
of
staffing,
but
until
that
time
those
those
employees
have
been,
let
go
so
they're,
not
if
covered
restrictions
are
lifted
in
2021
we
don't
have
a
current
plan
for
how
to
reopen
the
branches.
J
Yeah
but
yeah
my
my
question
about
I
I
I
understand
that
branches
will
not
be
reopening
but
in
my
understanding,
go
ahead.
A
David,
the,
I
think
what
I'm
hearing
the
question
of,
which
is
a
really
interesting
question,
is
to
what
extent
does
the
2021
budget
include
the
1.3
million
dollar
budget
gap
just
baked
into
the
budget
for
both
the
main
library
and
the
branches
right,
so
that
like
to
mary's
point
that,
if
the,
if
suddenly
the
health
issues
went
away
tomorrow?
A
K
You
know
so
we
we
are
offering
carryout
services
at
meadows
and
have
been
since
august
of
last
year
with
the
short
interim,
when
the
covet
went
to
red,
we're
hoping
to
be
able
to
offer
some
level
of
carryout
services
at
our
other
locations
sometime
in
2021,
you
know
we,
we
re,
we
repurpose
staff
to
do
home
delivery
to.
I
think
you
know
we're
calling
every
single
patron
who's
over
the
age
of
60
just
to
check
in
on
them.
K
So
we
have
some
staff
who
are
available,
who
are
working
remotely,
who
are
bound
by
some
restrictions
to
covet
as
well
so
they're
not
going
to
be
coming
back
to
the
building.
Soon
we
have
gained
assurances
from
I'd,
say:
99
percent
of
our
staff
that
have
coveted
restrictions
are
lifted
further.
They
would
be
willing
and
able
to
come
back
to
work
one
hundred
percent
on
site.
So
the
majority
of
our
funding
is
staffing
that
are
in
public
service
buildings.
K
K
K
J
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
a
way
to
rephrase
my
question,
but
what
I'm
hearing
is
is
that
if
the
library
were
to
reopen-
and
it
would
just
be
the
main
branch-
I
understand
that
the
the
the
smaller
branches,
the
meadows
and
the
one
in
south
boulder,
the
reynolds
would
not
be
reopening
only
to
do
the
the
carryout
service,
but
the
live.
The
main
library
would
open
up
with
some
level
of
staffing,
minus
the
canyon,
theater
and
minus
the
maker
space.
K
That's
correct
we're
open.
Now
I
mean
it's
limited
browsing
and
no,
you
can't
stay
forever,
but
we
have
open
computing.
On
the
second
floor,
we
have
limited
browsing
in
the
main
library.
You
can
come
in
and
select
your
own
books
so
that
that
exists.
Now
I
mean
okay,
that
would
probably
not
expand
dramatically,
but
we
could.
We
have
had
a
lot
of
requests
to
open
up
the
stacks
so
that
patrons
can
come
in
and
browse
the
entire
collection.
Again,
I'm
you
know
I'd
love
to
be
able
to
do
that.
K
J
So
that
I
guess
that's
my
question
is
reopening
all
that
what
you
just
described
is
that
reopening
based
on
covet
or
funding,
or
both
it's
both
mary,
okay
and
and
right
now
that
1.3
budget
gap
is
for
both,
but
only
for
for
both
plus
the
branches.
Is
that
correct.
C
Thanks
mary,
I'm
gonna
ask
one
question:
maybe,
while
david's
nearby,
oh,
I
have
more
you're,
not
done
sorry.
Yeah.
J
Yeah
I
have
more
questions
yeah.
I
think
I
have
one
more
mark
asked
my
one
of
my
questions.
J
If
we
were
to
do
it
by
resolution,
there
will
ordinance
a
resolution.
There
would
be
a
some
staff
resources
that
would
be
necessary
in
order
to
do
that
and
probably
went
from
both
library
and
the
city,
attorney's
office
and
perhaps
other
departments
do
we
have
any
idea
about
what
kinds
of
resources
would
be
required
to
create
that
iga,
and
would
we
have
to
impact
other
things
going
on
in
the
city
and
to
what
extent
is
the
capacity
to
negotiate
the
iga
impede
it
by
covet
reductions
in
staff.
D
Well,
our
our
staff
is
down
like
many
city
departments,
but
I
think
that
we,
you
know
if
this
were
a
priority
of
the
council.
We
would
certainly
put
resources
towards
it
to
try
to
get
it
done.
E
Mary,
that's
a
really
good
question
that
in
you
know,
in
addition
to
the
city,
attorney's
office,
library,
staff,
finance
staff,
there's
you
know
a
whole
group
of
staff
that
would
probably
be
involved
in
in
working
on
an
iga
if
the
council
chose
to
go
that
route.
So
that
might
be
a
good
question
for
us
to
follow
up
on
and
bring
to
the
april
public
hearing
as
a
follow-up
item,
just
just
to
make
sure
that
we
can
answer
that
question
on
what
the
trade-offs
would
be.
E
I
think,
as
david
described,
if,
if
the
direction
of
council
is
to
move
down
the
iga
path
we
would
we
would
be
able
to,
we
would
rearrange
the
work
plan
to
make
it
happen.
I'm
not
sure
what
those
trade-offs
might
be
right.
Now,
I'd
like
to
huddle
up
with
the
team
to
be
able
to
understand
what
that
would
look
like.
J
Thank
you,
chris,
and
that
would
be.
I
think,
that
that
would
be
I
would
like
to
see.
That
is
what
what
would
we
have
to,
because
invariably
some
things
there
would
be
trade-offs
and
we
would
have
to
make
some
decisions
of
what
about
what
would
fall
off.
So
thank
you
thanks,
and
I
think
that
is
my
last
question.
C
Thank
you
thanks,
mary
sam,
I
see
your
hand,
I'm
gonna
ask
a
couple,
quick
questions
and
then
you'll
get
your
double
dip.
So
I
think
this
is
maybe
to
chris
or
david
gear
or
david
farnan.
What
would
be?
What
is
the
public
hearing
in
april
exactly
like?
What's
going
to
be
on
the
table
for
that
and
then
at
some
point
we
would
usually
receive
a
staff
recommendation
like
on
slide
11.
Here's
your
four
options:
here's!
What
we
think
is
is
the
best
one
for
the
library.
C
So
I'm
just
wondering
like
when
will
we
have?
Is
that
something
that
that
can
be
advised
tonight
is
that
coming
in
april,
because
it
seems
to
me
the
questions
are
sort
of
do
we
want
to
look
at
forming
a
library
district?
Do
we
want
to
move
forward
with
that
and
do
we
want
to
do
it
by
resolution
and
I'm
not
sure
if
staff
has
opinions
on
that
and
if
they
would
come
out
tonight
or
in
april.
D
D
When
we
started
when
we
were
working
on
this
in
2020,
we
were
starting
to
kind
of
move
down
the
road
to
actually
get
some
direction
from
council
on
kind
of
the
path
that
they
want,
that
they
would
like
to
see
the
city
take
in
terms
of
both
governance
and
finance,
and
you
know
covet
kind
of
knocked
us
off
our
our
path
and
we're
we're
starting
to
re
res
start
that
and
and
frankly,
we
even
took
a
step
backwards,
like
we
were
kind
of
retaking,
the
same
step
that
we
took
in
february.
D
In
terms
of
the
background,
the
questions
and
and
those
types
of
things
as
well.
So
I
guess
I
would
love
to
hear
what
the
council
thinks
and
in
terms
of
you
know,
I
know
that
both
members
of
the
library,
commission
and
the
boulder
library
champions
has
done
some
level
of
community
engagement
about
the
the
the
district.
D
One
of
the
things
that
we
were
talking
about
is
that
the
council
hasn't
had
the
opportunity
yet
to
let
the
community
kind
of
weigh
in
and
talk
to
them
about
it.
So
I
guess
we
would
be
nice
to
have
some
kind
of
a
little
bit
more
formalized
way
to
let
the
community
kind
of
weigh
in
on
some
of
the
the
ideas
around
this
topic.
J
So
david,
what
I'm
hearing,
if
I
may
just
jump
in
here
rachel,
I'm
hearing
that
essentially
this
is
a
political
question.
This
is
not
a
a
situation
in
which
staff
makes
a
recommendation.
D
I
I
don't
know
that
I
would
go
that
far,
because
I
I'm
guessing
that
david
farnan
would
have
some
probably
pretty
strong
views
about
how
libraries
get
funded,
but
there
certainly
is
quite
a
large
political
component
to
this.
You
know
what
a
municipal
library
is
a
service
that
the
city
has
been
providing
for.
You
know
over
a
hundred
years,
and
I
think
that
you
know
the
conversation
around
giving
that
up.
That's
that
that's
I!
I
would
consider
that
a
big
deal,
that's
a
big
conversation
and
yeah.
E
And-
and
maybe
I'll
just
add
on,
I
think
david
described
it
really
well
that
this
is.
This
is
a
really
big
decision,
and
so
what
we
were
anticipating
is
that
the
april
meeting
would
really
be
the
opportunity
one
to
hold
a
public
hearing
on
this
and
for
council
to
then
give
the
initial
direction
of
which,
which
of
these
paths
are
you
interested
in
in
potentially
going
down
if
any
of
them
and
really
get
get
that
direction?
E
That's
what
I
think
the
we
as
a
staff,
the
the
library
district
as
well
as
the
library
champions
are,
are
looking
for
is
which
route
are
we
going
to
go?
Are
we
going
to
look
at
keeping
the
library
as
a
municipal
service
and
exploring
continuing
to
explore
funding?
Are
we
going
to
begin
down
the
the
library
district
route
of
making
it
a
district
service
through
either
a
petition
process
or
a
resolution
process?
E
So
that's
what
we
were
envisioning,
but
I
think,
as
david
described
it's
really
for
for
I
think
council,
to
help
shape
that
in
what
you're
looking
for
as
well.
C
Okay,
so
you
will
be
looking
for
us
to
vote
in
april
on
whether
we
want
to
proceed
with
a
district
and
by
resolution.
If
I'm
hearing
that
correctly,
I
will
say
from
my
perspective,
it
would
be
helpful
if
there
was
a
you
know,
a
staff
recommendation
in
there,
because
we
usually
do
get
those
understanding,
mary's
point
that
it's
a
political
question.
C
It's
still
helpful,
in
my
opinion,
to
hear
from
staff
what
what
is
the
recommended
recommendation
for
the
best
outcome
for
this
department
so,
and
maybe
just
invite
you
before
we
get
into
discussion
because
we're
now
20
minutes
over
this
whole
agenda
item
and
we
haven't
even
gotten
to
discussion.
So
if
I
could
just
get
clarified,
what
is
it
that
you're
looking
for
us
to
give
feedback
on
tonight
as
we
launch
into
this
discussion
after
sam
and
mary's
questions.
D
Well,
I
I
think,
you've
given
us
a
lot
so
far,
just
by
your
questions,
one
of
the
things
that
I
was
really
kind
of
hoping
to
hear
tonight
was
the
kind
of
things
and
or
the
information
or
resources
that
council
members
need
to
be
educated
on
the
topic
and
you
know
ready
to
kind
of
start
to
provide
some
level
of.
N
Thanks
a
bunch-
and
I
know
that
we
are
over
rachel-
I
acknowledge
that
and
it's
a
big
topic.
So
there
we
go
on
slide
nine.
Some
of
the
questions
that
were
asked
tickled
me
a
bit
to
want
to
know:
we've
got
this
deferred
capital
maintenance
line,
2.3
million
we're
going
to
catch
up
on
deferred
and
then
eventually
that's
going
to
go
towards
presumably
additional
capital
and
then
at
the
bottom.
N
We
have
unfunded
needs
for
expanded
service
level,
operating
and
capital,
4.2
million
and
coincidentally
4.2
million
and
15
8.8
million
adds
up
to
20.0
million.
I
was
curious
how
the
4.2
million
was
derived
like
what
and
it
seems
to
be
ongoing
ad
infinitum.
So
how
did
that
come
about
that?
Was
that
part
of
the
master
plan
evaluation?
I
assume
there's
a
bottom-up
build
up
for
that.
K
K
How
do
you
predict
it
out
the
funding
in
the
future
and
so
the
gk
baum
study
that
was
done
in
2018
2019
around
funding
for
the
library
calculated
all
of
the
costs,
the
average
cost
of
operating
the
library
over
the
course
of
that
15-year
time
frame
that
gk
pound
did
was
roughly
20
million
dollars
a
year,
and
there
are
a
number
of
costs
that
factor
into
that
and
a
lot
of
assumptions,
a
lot
of
assumptions
and
variables,
and
so
that
is
the
really
the
best
case
scenario
that
they
came
up
with
in
terms
of
what
those
operating
costs
would
be.
K
I
can
tell
you,
because
I've
been
looking
at
it
recently
over
the
course
of
those
15
years.
Roughly
roughly
20
percent
of
those
costs
go
to
capital
maintenance,
roughly
seven
percent
of
those
costs,
total
accrued
revenue
goes
to
new
capital,
and
so
the
new
capital
funding
is
really
around
things
that
we
don't
know
yet
right.
So
reynolds
is
old
at
some
point,
do
we
replace
reynolds,
or
do
we
build
a
library
in
the
eastern
portion
of
of
boulder
county
above
the
city
of
boulder?
K
So
all
those
things
are
just
they're
all
speculative
guesses.
Having
played
around
with
the
model
at
infinitum,
I
feel
pretty
confident
that
those
mill
rates
and
the
overall
revenue
is
what's
necessary
because
again
going
back
to
the
assumptions
one
bad
year
in
property
assessments
and
everything
in
that
model
goes
out
the
window
right.
So
when
we
talk
about
expanded
service
level,
the
the
master
plan
paints
some
picture
of
that.
K
But
really
it's
not
they're,
not
huge
cost
holes
right,
opening
a
gun
barrel,
lamp
branch,
opening,
a
nylon
branch
activating
the
canyon
theater
funding
the
collections
at
a
level
which
we
think
is
more
appropriate
to
the
city
of
boulder
in
this
area.
Those
are
not
major
major
costs,
they
don't
add
up.
What
does
add
up
is
building
reserve,
building
a
20
reserve
and
addressing
those
capital
needs,
especially
the
capital
maintenance
needs
which,
by
my
calculations,
are
a
little
over
20
of
the
overall
expenditures
of
the
library
district
in
15
years.
N
Okay,
that's
helpful.
Now
if
we
go
to
page
25
of
the
packet,
so
I'm
jumping
off
the
presentation
here,
jumping
into
the
packet,
that's
where
we
show
the
library
budget
change
over
time,
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I'm
interpreting
that
right
before
covet
hit.
I
believe
we
had
a
9.1
million
dollar
total
budget
for
2020,
which
was
1.6
million
from
the
property
tax
7.5
million
in
the
general
fund,
so
leaving
covet
out
just
for
a
moment,
does
the
chart
at
the
top
of
page
25
of
the
packet
ongoing
library
budget
2002
to
2020.?
G
My
understanding
of
that
this
is
cara
and
devon
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
is
that
it's
that's
the
compound
growth
rate
of
the
cumulative
growth
rate,
not
counting
inflation,
and
then
the
0.39
is,
if
that
was
adjusted
for
inflation.
N
Okay,
so
just
making
sure
then
it
sounds
like
the
5.6
million
to
6.1
million
is
the
inflation
increase,
and
the
5.6
million
to
9
million,
as
this
was
budgeted
before
covet,
is
a
2.37
annual
budget
increase
for
the
library.
N
Okay,
super.
Thank
you
that's
helpful
and
then
my
last
question
is
again
about
formation
david.
This
is
for
you
and
I
just
wanted
to
understand
on
slide
four.
It
says
the
establishing
entities
determine
the
appropriate
boundaries
period.
Then
there's
another
bullet
that
says
public
hearing
or,
and
the
next
bullet
says
90
days,
written
notice
of
the
proposed
establishment
to
other
governmental
entities.
D
I
think
actually
that's
an
error
on
the
slide,
but
that's
okay.
The
90
days,
written
notice,
is
part
of
the
it's
part
of
the
petition
process.
N
C
Thank
you,
sam
mary,
perfect.
J
Segue,
this
is
the
slide.
I
wanted
to
go
to
the
establishing
entities,
appoint
the
first
board
of
trustees,
five
or
seven
members
to
the
library
district.
After
that,
is
it
the
council
that
continues
to
appoint
ongoing
members,
and
is
it
done
through
the
regular
boards
and
commissions
process?
How
does
that
work.
D
D
So
that's
how
that's
the
first
board
in
terms
of
just
kind
of
looking
at
various
ways.
Governments
have
done
it
like
douglas
county,
the
county
board
of
commissioners.
Does
it
they're
done
different
ways
in
different
districts,
whether
it's,
whether
they
continue
that
ratification
process
have
one
governmental
entity
or
the
other,
do
it?
And
then
some
actually
have
the
remaining
board
members
appoint
the
new
board
members,
so
that's
kind
of
the
gamut
and
after
the
first
board
it
has
been
seated.
J
D
Well,
I
guess
that
they
would
be
accountable.
Well,
they
had.
The
statute
makes
reference
to
the
fact
that
trustees
have
a
fiduciary
obligation
to
the
health
of
the
district.
D
When
I
kind
of
look
at
how
the
formation
and
how
they're
governed
it
seems
to
me
that
it's
more
akin
to
being
like
a
board
of
directors
of
a
corporation
or
a
non-pro,
you
know,
or
on
a
board
for
a
non-profit,
you
have
a
fiduciary
obligation
to
make
sure
that
the
organization
is
running
a
in
a
responsible
manner.
D
But
it's
not
you
know
it's
it's
not
the
same
as
being
on
city
council,
where
all
of
you
get
the
opportunity
to
run
for
election
as
well
as
once,
once
once
you
take
your
seeds,
you
you've
been
given,
you
know,
14
different
priorities
and
you
have
a
city
manager
that
will
ask
you.
Would
you
help
me
balance
these
priorities?
You
you
would
I
don't
think
you
would
have
that
same
kind
of
governance
with
the
library
district.
It
would
be
much
more
single
purpose.
D
Yeah
yep
and
the
there
are
provisions
in
the
statute
that
talk
about
the
end
procedures
for
removal
of
commission
members.
D
I
don't
have
that
right
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
I
do
recall
that
there
is
also
you
know
that,
in
addition
to
the
process
for
removal,
I
believe
that
there's
also
a
requirement
that
whoever
taught
would
toss
such
a
member
off
the
board
or
the
board
of
trustees
has
to
have
good
cause.
So
if
there
is
not
a
standardless.
C
Okay,
thanks
mary
thanks
david,
I
think
we
are
technically
it's
time
to
move
into
discussion
and
I
want
to
just
quickly
go
through
staff
had
asked
us
to
answer
a
couple.
Questions
did
or
make
sure
that
we
answered
these.
So
did
we
have
questions
about
options
for
governance?
I
think
people
asked
those
as
we
went
did
we
have
questions
about
process
and
procedures
for
forming
a
library
district?
I
think
that
one's
checked
off
and
questions
about
funding
options
presented
for
either
form
of
governance.
C
I
think
we
also
did
that
so
question
four
is:
is
there
additional
information
that
council
directs
staff
to
prepare
for
the
april
2021
public
hearing
and
my
sense
from
david
gear's
answer-
is
that's
what
they
were
hoping
for
us
to
answer
tonight
and
to
walk
away
with
so
that
they
can
prepare
for
the
april
hearing?
So
I
also
just
want
to
summarize.
I
think
there
were
some
kind
of
buckets
of
information
and
questions
that
we
wanted
staff
to
really
prepare
for
april
and
then
invite
people
to
expand
our
way
in.
C
If
I'm
getting
this
wrong.
But
one
is,
it
sounds
like
we
really
want
the
nuts
and
bolts
like
times
100
for
the
financial
questions
of
possibly
forming
a
district
and
and
where
our
finances
are
now
as
well
as
what
goes
into
the
iga
and
the
considerations
there.
And
then
you
know
the
the
questions
will
be
teed
up.
Do
we
want
to
form
a
district?
C
Do
we
want
to
do
it
by
resolution?
Do
we
want
to
get
working
on
an
iga,
and
I
think
I
heard
some
periphery
sort
of
when,
when
might
the
ballot
measure
be
be
teed
up
to
go
to
voters?
So
I
wanted
to
just
present
that
to
everyone
for
consideration
as
we
go
into
discussion.
I
think
that
those
are
the
questions
that
staff
once
answered.
C
I
think
that
we
have
given
staff
a
lot
of
information
and
and
prepared
them
to
answer
so
invite
people
to
weigh
in
beyond
that
now
and
the
hands
I
see
up
mary
is
yours
up
again
or
is
that
still
up?
Okay,
so
I
see
mark
mark
bob,
mirabai
and
aaron.
So,
let's
start
with
mark.
M
Well,
just
a
a
quick
comment:
I
think
we
need
to
add
to
the
information
that
we
need
from
staff
is
what
is
going
to
be
displaced
by
this
effort,
if
we're
doing
it
by
resolution,
how
much
staff
time?
What
will
we
have
to
forego
in
order
to
get
this
done?
I
think
that's
a
pretty
critical
component
of
of
how
we
move
forward,
so
that
would
be
my
request.
C
Thank
you
mark.
Next,
I
see
bob.
H
I
guess
I
have
a
kind
of
a
question
and
it's
really
for
council,
as
opposed
to
staff,
because
it
will
kind
of
inform
my
opinion
on
what
to
do
about
the
resolution
question.
I
kind
of
be
curious.
H
It
sounds
like
we
have
the
the
prerogative
we
or
petitioners
have
the
prerogative
of
forming
a
district
and
asking
the
tabor
tax
question
right
away
or
deferring
the
tabor
tax
question
for
some
period
of
time
a
year
or
two,
and
I
guess
I
would
ask
my
council
colleagues
if
people
don't
mind
answering,
do
how
do
folks
feel
about
a
tabor
tax
question
on
a
library
district
this
year,
because
if
the
answer
is
yes,
I
think
it
takes
us
down
a
certain
procedural
path.
H
If
the
answer
is
no,
it
may
take
us
down
a
different
procedural
path
and
so
rachel.
If
you
don't
mind,
I'd
like
to
ask
that
question
of
counsel,
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
do
that
by
straw
poll
or
let
everyone
weigh
in
but
I'd
love
to
know.
If
people
think
we
should
ask
the
mill
levy
question
on
the
november
2021
ballot.
C
Okay,
I'm
happy
to
do
a
straw
poll
on
that
and
I'm
assuming
that
you
think
that's
relevant
tonight.
I
I
personally
would
rather
answer
it
in
conjunction
with
the
april
discussion
because
I
don't
feel
like
I
have
all
the
information
yet
from
staff
in
terms
of
what
we
would
displace
and
whether
we
even
want
to
form
the
district.
That
seems
like
a
threshold
question
but
happy
to
do
a
straw
poll,
so
I
think
actually
go
ahead
and
start
it.
Could
I
just
request
yeah
sure.
C
That's
fine
with
me,
so
bob
I'm
going
to
put
a
pin
in
the
straw
poll,
but
we
will
get
into
it
before
we
finish
this
discussion.
J
H
C
All
right,
I
will
circle
back
to
you.
I
think
miraby's
up
next.
S
Oh
I'm
kind
of
with
bob.
I
I
do
think
that
this
is
an
important
question
to
ask
and
so
I'll
wait.
I
guess
till
we
have
the
discussion
on
it,
but
during
the
public
hearing,
I
guess-
and
I
understand
that
this
is
a
difficult
thing
to
ask
of
staff,
but
I
guess
maybe
base
it
on
the
emails
and
the
feedback
that
we've
heard
on
in
the
past
in
terms
of
what
to
have
ready.
S
Because
again
this
is
a
very
hot
topic,
as
I'm
sure
we
all
know,
and
so
the
questions
that
I
would
have
prepared
is
anything
that
the
community
might
be
asking
and
obviously
again,
you
can't
know
what
they're
going
to
be
asking,
but
maybe
base
that
off
of
what
they've
asked
in
the
past
and
the
emails
that
we've
received.
So
that
would
just
be
the
one
thing
is
to
be
extremely
prepped
for
the
community
and
what
they're
going
to
be
asking
or
stating
during
the
public
hearing.
C
Thanks
miraby
aaron,
I've
got
your
hand
up
next.
A
But
so
sorry
about
that-
and
I
guess
nearby
didn't
mean
to
derail
your
comments.
I
I
guess
I
just
wanted
to
get
one
comment
out
before
we
took
a
straw
poll
and
I'm
fine
having
one
after
I
get
to
say
a
couple
words
here,
but
the
way
I
would
think
about
the
tax
is
that
I
I
would
want
to
hold
open
the
possibility
of
a
terrible
election
in
2021,
but
I
would
not
say
that
we
should
definitively
do
it
in
2021.
A
I
think,
and
that
would
to
me
would
depend
on
like
how
much
stimulus
comes
through,
for
example,
to
to
help
us
with
our
financial
situation,
the
city,
what
our
economy
is
looking
like.
You
know
what
sort
of
what
the
economic
conditions
are
like
in
the
city
later
on
this
year,
so
I
would,
I
would
hold
the
possibility
open
and
make
a
decision
later
this
year.
A
C
I
see
mark
mary
and
david
gear.
Does
anybody
else
have
a
a
in
terms
of
hands
up?
Does
anybody
else
have
a
comment
on
the
timing
of
the
straw
poll
and
adam's
hand
is
now
up?
Mary
does
all
right,
mary.
J
So
I
guess
I'm
gonna
answer
the
question
that
bob
posed.
I
you
know
soon
as
I
sit
on
the
finite
financial
strategy
committee
and
we
are
having
conversations
about
the
the
ccs
tax
which
I
actually
want
to
have
renamed
to
community
resilience
and
safety
tax
after
what
happened
in
texas.
But
anyway,
it's
another
matter.
J
C
Q
Mine
is
a
comment
I
don't
know
where
it
fits.
I
don't
know
if
it
should
be
pre-straw
poll
or
not
to
be
honest,
but
I'll
make
it
in
my
mind,
it's
probably
important
that
we
changed
the
maximum
mill
levy
before
we
asked
the
question
just
a
thought,
since
there's
no
point
in
asking
it,
if
we
can't
do
it-
and
I
don't
know
how
that
fits
in
the
process
at
all,
so.
M
No
problem,
I
have
a
very
strong
view
on
on
the
timing
issue.
It
is
consistent
with
mary's
view,
I'm
also
a
member
of
the
financial
strategies
committee.
I
think
the
extension
of
the
capital
improvement
tax
is
extremely
important
for
this
city,
but
any
extension
of
a
taxes
is
a
heavy
lift,
and
I
do
not
want
to
confuse
that
issue
with
a
tabor
ballot
measure
relating
to
the
library.
M
I
think
it's
it
would
be
horrible
timing,
especially
as
we're
still
dealing
with
the
the
pandemic
and
asking
for
approval
of,
in
effect
to
tax
measures,
I
think,
is
very
unwise.
So
I
have
a
I'm
happy
to
try
to
move
the
ball
along
a
little
bit
with
respect
to
the
library
district
itself,
but
I
would
not
want
to
see
the
tabor
tax
measure
this
year
and
I
also
suggest
that
its
chance
of
passage
might
be
a
little
better
during
a
general
election
year
than
a
special
election
year.
B
I
did
have
a
comment
and
I
think
there
were
people
ahead
of
me,
but
I
know
why
you
let
me
speak
first,
because
I
did
mention
that
I
was
going
to
leave
and
did
you
so.
Can
I
ask
the
question
or
should
I
wait,
no
go
for
it.
Thank
you
rachel.
I
think
I
understand
bob's
comment
and
I
just
wanted
to
add.
I
have
a
question
first
and
I
think
it
might
be
for
david.
B
Is
it
for
david
or
probably
para
how
many
ballot
measures
do
we
intend
to
have
this
year
because
I
know
mark
mentioned
well
one
or
two,
but
is
that
the
max?
Because
I
know
that
we
will
have
a
discussion
in
a
couple
of
weeks
and
we
will
be
talking
more
about
financing
when
it
comes
to
services
for
the
homeless?
I
don't
know
if
that's
gonna
be.
We
are
even
looking
into
it
a
tax
for
that
particular
issue.
B
D
Well,
there
was
a
slide
that
showed
potential
ballot
measures
in
the
presentation
and
I
don't
have
the
slideshow
in
front
of
me.
So
there
there
is
an
indication,
but
when
typically
when
we
come
to
council
in
may
for
the
kind
of
the
pre-ballot
season
study
session
staff
will
attempt
to
identify
what
the
potential
ballot
measures
will
be.
Based
on
the
conversations
that
you
all
have
had,
as
well
as
whatever
we're
hearing
from
our
colleagues
at
the
county,
the
stage
and
the
school
district.
B
Thank
you
yeah,
I
think
for
me.
That's
the
chat,
that's
the
only
challenge,
even
though
I
support
I
fully
support
the
districting.
I
do
think
if
it's
competing
with
another
issue
that
is
very
important
to
me.
I
think
it's
going
to
be
really
hard
so
and
then
the
thing
is
even
if
we
were
to
maybe
my
I
guess.
B
The
conflict
that
I
have
or
the
problem
for
me
is:
is
it
necessary
that
we
have
the
ballot
measure
this
year,
coupled
with
the
creation
by
resolution,
or
can
we
just
have
the
creation
and
then,
as
we've
met,
discussed
before
just
put
the
tax?
Kick
it
down
the
can
to
the
next
council
in
a
couple
of
years
and
what
difference
would
that
make
basically.
D
But
one
of
the
things
that
kim
talks
about
a
lot
is
that
the
benefits
of
exploring
a
district
without
your
tabor
measure
allows
you
to
have
that
community
conversation
about
what
this
district
is
going
to
look
like,
so
that
when
you
do
the
taber
election
people
know
what
they
truly
know.
What
they're
voting
on,
and
I
guess
as
a
way
to
kind
of
seal
that
deal.
You
know
he
has
talked
about
other
other
library
districts
where
they
put
a
provision
in
the
iga
that
says
continuity.
D
You
know
that
the
library
districts
formed
you
lease
all
the
property
to
it.
For
a
nickel,
the
city
would
usually
finance
it
in
the
interim
just
as
we're
financing
it
now,
but
but
that
if
they
don't
get
a
taber
mill
levy
within
you
know,
I
don't
know
one
two,
three
elections
that
the
district
will
end.
B
B
B
Thank
you
so
much.
I
think
that
those
were
my
only
questions.
I
don't
have
a
strong
preference
just
to
answer
bob's
question
deferring
I
I
think
I
just
feel
like.
I
don't
have
the
full
picture.
That's
really
the
problem.
I
just
don't
know
how
many
taxes
we
intend
to
have
on
the
ballot.
So
I
think
that
makes
it
a
little
bit
fuzzy
for
me
because
we're
still
having
that
discussion.
So
I
don't
have
the
answer
whether
we
should
defer
or
or
have
it
this
year,
and
I
just
wanted
to
add
as
well.
B
C
Thanks
for
being
here,
junie
and
and
good
luck
to
whatever's
coming
up
for
you,
so
does
anybody
mind
if
I
do.
The
straw
poll
now
give
me
a
all
right,
we're
doing
the
straw
poll
then.
So
I
think
the
question
that
bob
is
asking
is:
please
raise
your
hand
if
you
favor,
putting
let's
see
if
you
favor
putting
the
library,
district's
tabor
measure
on
the
2021
ballot
for
sure.
Does
anybody
just
for
sure
want
to
put
it
on
2021
ballot?
C
Does
anybody
okay,
so
that
one's
done
raise
your
hand
if
you
do
not
want
to
decide
that
tonight?
So
that's
the
category
I'm
in
so
I
see
one
two
three
four
of
us
in
that
category
and
then
raise
your
hand
if
you
know
that
you
do
not
want
to
put
the
library
district,
tabor
measure
on
the
2021
ballot
and
would
like
to
reserve
that
possibly
for
2022
or
beyond.
So
I
see
bob
sam
mary
mark
and
nearby.
So
that's
five,
so
that
is
five
four!
Do
not
put
it
on
in
2021,
okay!
C
So
that's
straw
poll
for
whatever
that
means
not
a
not
a
firm
vote,
but
whatever
we
can
do
in
study
sessions.
Straw
poll
accomplished
and
now
I
see
sam
and
then
adam
mary
and
aaron.
N
Thank
you,
rachel
david.
You
couldn't
have
answered
junie's
question
any
better
to
do
this
up.
So
thank
you
for
that.
I
think
that
the
the
meat
of
this
question
is
in
what
the
iga
says.
N
So,
if
I
look
at
the
iga
outline
all
the
details
about
what's
being
transferred
when
how
many
tapered
elections
could
fail
before
you
dissolve
it
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
it
seems
to
me
like
the
iga
is
the
heart
of
the
matter
and
what's
in
the
iga,
is
in
the
heart
of
the
matter
and
all
that
forming
the
district
does
is
get
some
straw
men,
people
appointed
to
the
the
board,
the
trustee
board,
but
we
don't
need
that
because
the
iga
itself
needs
to
really
be
driven
by.
N
N
So
that's
like
what
I
would
like
to
know
and
I
don't
see
a
particular
driver
to
do
the
formation
if
we
spent
the
rest
of
the
year
kind
of
working
through
the
iga
and
and
as
council
and
as
our
community
having
the
conversation
that
david
referenced,
which
I
think
is
great,
I
think
we
should
have
that
conversation
before
we
even
form
the
the
district.
Then
I
think
we
can
make
progress
this
year
and
I'm
not
necessarily
potentially
even
in
favor
of
forming
the
district,
because
I
don't
need.
N
I
think
we
need
to
now
by
the
time
it's
the
year
that
we're
going
to
do
a
taber
election.
So
say
it
was
2022.
I
would
totally
support
forming
a
district
if,
in
conjunction,
we
intend
to
go
to
the
ballot
and
have
a
pretty
good
iga
kind
of
worked
out,
because
the
iga
is
where
all
the
action
is.
So
that's
really
all
I've
got
for
tonight,
thanks
to
staff
and
thanks
for
putting
up
with
a
slightly
longer
meeting.
C
Thanks
sam
next
up
is
adam.
Q
I
had
one
more
question
that
has
probably
been
asked
and
answered,
but
is
it
good
for
faq
prep
for
our
april
meeting,
who
actually
gets
to
vote
on
the
iga
and
the
formation
of
the
district?
Do
people
who
would
be
in
the
district
but
outside
the
city
of
boulder
get
to
vote
on
it
like?
How
does
that
part
work?
Because
I
can't
remember
it.
D
Yeah,
so
if
you
were
to
do,
if
you
were
to
form
the
district
by
resolution
or
ordinance,
the
boulders
city
council
would
make
that
decision,
and
the
board
of
county
commissioner
would
make
it
on
behalf
of
anybody.
You
know
if
we're
going
to
put
unincorporated
areas
into
the
district.
Q
Okay,
so
just
trying
to
get
this
100
certain
the
formation
of
the
district
itself,
we
can
just
do
that
right
with
without
voter
approval,.
D
J
Rachel,
I'm
gonna
bring
up
a
question.
That'll,
probably
boo
me
out
of
the
room,
but
I'm
going
to
do
it
anyway,
because
I
found
the
math
really
interesting.
J
So
mark
asked
the
question
of
how
many
people
within
the
property
tax
revenue
area
of
the
proposed
this
of
the
proposed
district
boundaries
come
from
outside
of
the
city,
and
the
answer
was
30
percent,
and
so
I
took
that
30
percent
and
I
multiplied
15.8
million
by
30
percent
that
comes
out
to
about
four
and
three-quarters
million,
which,
when
you
subtract
four
and
three-quarters
million
from
15.8,
you
end
up
with
about
11
million,
just
a
little
over
11
million,
which
curiously
enough,
is
about
the
same
amount
that
on
slide
nine,
which
is
the
current
budget
for
the
library
so
and
then,
curiously
enough.
J
That
four
point
four
point:
seven
four
million
is
pretty
close
to
4.6,
so
you
know,
as
the
conversation
went
on,
then
I
heard
a
question.
Somebody
made
the
comment
about,
or
it
was
the
the
proposal
for
the
the
city,
the
cost
allocation
that
the
the
district
would
contract
with
the
city
to
provide
those
services.
J
So
what
if
we
flip
that
around
and
said
the
city
provided
library
services
to
the
people
outside
the
city
boundary,
but
within
the
proposed
library
district,
which
would
then
bring
in
that
four
and
three
quarters
million,
and
then
the
city
or
the
let's
call
it
a
out
of
city
district,
would
then
contract
with
the
city
for
library
services.
J
So
if
they,
if
that
would
produce
that,
would
bring
the
whole
budget
up
to
15.8
million
and
then
so.
The
question
then
becomes
is
how
could
you
set
it
up
in
a
way
that
the
people
outside
the
city
boundary,
but
within
the
proposed
library
district,
would
raise
the
money
in
order
to
pay
the
city
for
library
services?
J
C
The
I
have
a
question
it
looks
like
david
farnand
is
going
to
be
ready
to
answer.
That
mary's
has
something
you
want
answered
tonight
or
something
that
we
can
put
in
the
the
exciting
packet
for
april,
and
then
I
was
up
for
all
of
council.
Mary
did
invite
us
to
boo
her.
So
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
like
do
that,
all
at
once
or
just
kidding.
J
But
no
that
can
wait
till
the
april
memo
because
I
think.
K
Yeah,
I
feel
compelled
to
answer
right.
Juana
gomez,
I
believe,
was
answered
the
question
about
30
and
that's
not
inaccurate,
but
that
30
is
not
all
encompassed
by
the
district
boundaries,
so
the
district
boundaries
that
the
library
champions
drew
actually
encompasses.
20
percent
an
increase
in
20
percent
of
assessed
property
values,
so
80
of
the
assessed
property
value
that
would
make
up
the
revenue
for
the
district
is
within
the
city
of
boulder
20
of
the
assessed
property
tax
value
that
make
up
the
revenue
for
a
library
district
is
in
that
outer
lying
area.
K
J
Thank
you
for
that.
I
just
went
by
the
30
number,
so
thank
you.
A
A
You
know
we
do
have
the
you
know
our
library,
commission
and
and
many
interested
and
devoted
users
of
the
library
who
feel
like
that's
the
best
path
forward
to
providing
a
stable
revenue
stream
for
our
beloved
local
library
system.
So
I
I
want
to
see
to
what
extent
we
can
move
that
forward
this
year
now
it
sounds
like
at
least
at
this
time.
A
It's
not
a
binding
vote,
but
at
this
moment
majority
council
wouldn't
want
to
put
something
on
the
tabor
ballot
for
this
year,
but
I
think
it
would
still
behoove
us
to
strongly
consider
forming
a
district
this
year.
As
sam
noted,
the
the
really
the
the
details
of
how
it
would
work
would
be
in
the
iga.
A
But
you
can't
you
can't
write
and
approve
the
iga
until
you've
formed
the
district.
So
I
I
would
like
to
see,
in
april
city
staff,
bring
forth
kind
of
a
clear
path
to
passing
a
resolution
that
would
form
a
district
and
then
move
us
forward
on
negotiating
an
iga
with
the
county
and
the
future
library
district.
So,
to
me,
that's
kind
of
the
clear
path
forward
in
terms
of
setting
up
a
sustainable
future
for
our
library
system.
So
I
would
just
like
staff
to
have
you
know.
A
We
have
we're
asking
lots
of
questions
about
all
the
different
routes,
but
I
I
would
just
like
to
see
that
path
laid
out
clearly
as
as
a
potential
path
that
we
could
hear
from
the
public
on
as
an
alternative
and
see
if
that's
of
interest
to
the
to
the
public
and
how
we
could
move
forward
from
that
april
meeting
and
as
part
of
that,
I
would
really
like
rachel
said.
C
Thanks
aaron
and
I
was
going
to
colloquy
and
say
it
would
be
helpful
again
if
there's
a
staff
recommendation
attendant
to
that.
So
thanks
for
adding
that
in
we
have
bob
and
then
nearby.
H
H
Yes,
that's
how
we're
gonna
share
services,
how
we're
gonna
share
employees,
governance,
a
whole
bunch
of
things,
and
it
seems
to
me
that
creating
the
district
without
knowing
the
answers,
those
questions
and
then
answering
those
questions
is
a
little
like
the
famous
statement
of
one
of
our
federal
representatives,
who
said
we
have
to
vote
on
the
bill
before
we
find
out
what's
in
it,
and
I
think
we
should
find
out
what's
in
it
first,
I
get
the
fact
that
there
won't
be
a
library,
district
straw,
man
trustee
on
the
other
side
of
the
negotiating
table,
but
I
think
that
we
we
because
we're
gonna
have
ultimate
veto
power
over
the
iga,
should
put
to
take
the
time
and
put
together
an
iga
and
other
terms
and
conditions
that
we
feel
comfortable
with,
and
if
the
majority
on
council
feels
strongly-
and
I
agree
with
mark-
I
don't
want
to
muck
up
the
infrastructure
tax
that
we
won't
have
a
tax
on
the
november
ballot.
H
It
seems
to
me
we've
given
ourselves
a
fairly
long
runway
to
answer
those
questions.
That's,
in
other
words,
we're
not
under
a
shot
clock
to
try
to
get
all
those
questions
answered
by
august.
We
have
august
plus
a
year,
and
so
why
I
do
want
to
advance
this
and
I'm
happy
to
have
a
discussion
or
a
public
hearing
or
whatever
people
want
to
have
in
april.
S
I
said
one
other
thought
and
again
I
know
this
is
difficult
and
I
don't
know
if
this
is
possible
with
staff,
but
maybe
you
you
know
how
at
the
end
of
presentations
you
put
up
questions
for
us,
I'm
still
curious
to
hear
from
the
community,
and
so
when
we
have
this
public
comment,
they're
going
to
be
talking
about
everything,
they're
wanting
or
not
wanting
or
their
views.
S
But
if
there's
a
staff
presentation
prior
to
open
comment
which
I'm
hoping
there
will
be
to
bring
them
up
to
date,
maybe
you
can
put
up
some
questions.
S
You
know
a
few
pertinent
questions
that
we
really
would
like
answered
so
that
maybe,
while
they're
giving
their
few
minutes
speech
if
they
can
just
say
yes,
no,
yes,
no
to
those
questions,
it
just
might
be
helpful
again,
I'm
just
I'm
very
curious
in
terms
of
what
the
community
has
to
say,
because
I
think
we've
been
quite
divided
on
this
topic
and
it
would
just
be
helpful
when
they're
giving
those
comments
to
actually
have
some
guidance
with
what
they're
saying
rather
than
just
open-ended.
C
Thanks
nearby,
okay,
I
would
ask
staff,
I'm
not
oh
nearby,
we're
not
we're
not
bringing
it
home.
Yet,
I'm
sorry,
mary
one
more
question
comment.
J
Yeah
this
is
I
I
want
to
ask
the
clarifying
question,
I
guess
of
bob
and
to
see
if
I
understood
correctly
what
he
was
proposing
so
bob
what
you
were
proposing
is
to
create
the
iga
without
the
formation
of
that
four-person
committee
that
appoints
the
straw
trustees,
the
straw
man
trustees
and
that
the
city
we
the
council,
create
this
iga,
then
we're
not
bound
to
any
kind
of
timelines.
J
We
can
take
our
time
to
create
that
iga
and
then,
and
then
have
the
iga
basically
done
and
then
go
through
that
process
of
forming
the
the
committee
and
the
the
the
trustees,
the
temporary
trustees,
and
so
that
they
can
finish
off
the
iga
that
we
already
proposed
and
then
take
that
and
the
taber
question
to
the
voters
next
year.
Is
that
what
you
proposed?
That's.
H
Exactly
what
I'm
proposing
mary
thank
you,
you
summarized
it
better
than
I
did
and
I
just
to
be
clear.
I
think
the
the
people
who
work
on
the
iga
can
can
be
a
cross-section.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
just
council
or
city
staff.
We
could
have
community
members
members.
I
would
hope,
the
members
from
the
library,
commission,
the
library
champions,
perhaps
even
a
one
or
two
county
residents
who
would
be
affected
by
this
who
don't
live
in
the
city.
H
Maybe
people
the
county,
wants
to
put
some
people
up,
so
it
can
be
a
cross
section,
a
diverse
group
of
people
who
work
through
this
ihea.
But
but
if
we
create
the
district
this
year,
then
we're
under
a
shot
clock
of
90
days,
and
I
understand
it
could
be
extended,
but
I'm
not
too
sure
exactly
what
the
advantage
of
trying
to
rush
the
iga
this
year.
H
If
we're
not
going
to
ask
the
real
question,
which
is
the
tax
question
until
next
year,
why
not
put
together
that
group
of
people
see
if
we
can
put
pull
together
an
iga?
I
don't
know
if
that'll
take
us
two
months
or
ten
months,
but
take
take
the
time
since
we,
it
looks
like
we're
not
going
to
ask
the
tax
question
next
year,
either
way
anyway
and
then
bottom
this
out
and
have
some
answers
that
way.
J
So
could
I
if
I
could
just
respond
to
bob's
response,
I
like
the
idea-
and
I
especially
like
the
idea,
because
it
sort
of
spreads
out
the
needed
resources
for
creating
the
iga,
which
is
something
that
I
have
a
real
concern
for
the
staff
resources.
J
So
my
question
for
staff
would
then
be
to
bring
us
the
staff
resources
necessary
to
do.
You
know
the
shot,
clock
version
of
the
iga
and
then
this
spread
out
version
that
bob
just
proposed.
Thank
you.
That's
all.
I
have.
C
I'm
gonna
call
on
aaron
and
I
also
just
want
to
point
out.
I
think
we're
getting
a
little
bit
away
from
tonight's
study
session,
because
I
know
that
we
will
have
another
multi-hour
discussion
on
whether
to
do
a
district
this
year,
so
we'll
we'll
try
and
call
it
to
a
close
after
aaron
shares,
but
I
think
junie
left
the
meeting.
A
Yeah
thanks
for
that
rachel
and-
and
I
think
we
should
settle
these
questions.
You
know
the
next
thing
when
we
have
a
public
hearing,
but
just
one
quick
point
I
wanted
to
make
to
what
mary
and
bob
were
just
talking
about
is
that
you
know
by
statute.
The
iga
is
approved
by
if
we
went
this
path,
the
city
council,
the
county
commissioners
and
the
library
trustees
that
we
appoint.
If
we
pre-create
an
iga,
it
could
very
well
get
rejected
by
the
legal
bodies
who
were
in
charge
of
approving
it
afterwards.
A
H
I
could
just
respond.
I
think
the
county
would
be
at
the
table
from
the
iga,
so
I
don't
think
they're
going
to
veto
something
that
they
felt
draft
and
with
respect
to
the
trustees,
I
would,
I
would
select
people
that
we
think
are
going
to
be
the
trustees
and
have
them
participate
in
the
preparation
of
the
iga.
Then
we're
going
to
be
pretty
sure
that
once
we
appoint
those
people
they're
going
to
bless
what
they
just
helped
draft,
so
I
think
we
can
have
the
same
human
beings
around
the
table.
C
Sounds
like
we're
in
for
a
fun
discussion
april,
20th
sam
that'll
be
over
to
you
for
that
one.
This
is
herding
cats.
I
can
tell
you
right
now
so
david
I
wanted
to
check
in
with
you.
Did
we
answer
all
your
questions?
I
gave
you
sort
of
a
list
of
what
I
thought
I
heard
during
our
questions
and
then
I
think
mirabai
adam
and
mark,
and
maybe
marriott
and
mary
at
the
end
added
another.
So
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
was
all
captured
check
out.
That.
D
Yeah,
no
lots
of
great
feedback,
and
you
know
we'll
be
preparing
a
study
session
summary
so
that
you
guys
can
all
have
one
last
look
of
at
least
how
we're
interpreting
it
and
you
can
provide
us
with
any
feedback
on
this.
On
the
study
session.
Summary.
C
Thank
you
so
much
thanks
to
all
the
staff
and
commission
members
who
are
here
tonight,
so
I
would
like
for
us
to
take
a
two
minute
break
or
whatever
four
minute
break.
If
we
need
to
before
we
move
into
the
next
discussion
of
what
comes
after
the
muni
so
is
every
can
I
see
it
like
a
somebody
put
up
a
little
fire
or
something
if
that's,
not?
Okay,
okay,
so
we're
just
gonna.
Do
a
super
short
break
and
try
and
be
back
here
I
don't
know:
does
staff
have?
C
C
C
C
C
C
C
Does
anybody
have
the
protocols
like
let's
say
that
sam
just
decided
he's
going
to
bed,
but
what
is
the
time
that
we
wait
here.
J
We
go
ahead
and
get
started
because
we
do
not
need
a
quorum
and
it's
just.
Oh.
C
Here
he
is
anyhow,
okay,
perfect
all
right,
so
we
are
going
to
now
turn
to
the
second
issue
for
the
night,
which
is
kind
of
follow
up
on
the
wrap
up
of
the
muni
and
the
new
excel
partnership.
So
I'm
gonna
pass
this
over
to
chris
messchak
to
get
it
going.
Please.
T
Great
thanks
for
the
quick
handoff
there
chris
good
evening,
mayor
members,
council,
I
am
jonathan
cohen,
I'm
the
acting
director
of
the
climate
initiatives
department.
T
So
as
far
as
the
team
joining
tonight,
carolyn
elam
the
city's
energy
manager
in
the
climate
initiatives
department,
who
is
also
managing
the
excel
partnership
efforts,
is
going
to
be
joining
giving
part
of
this
presentation.
T
So
it
why
don't
we
go
ahead
and
go
to
the
next
slide
and
we'll
jump
right
in
so
just
doing
a
quick
look
at
our
agenda.
We
have
about
an
hour
scheduled
together.
I
know
you've
had
a
long
night,
so
we'll
try
to
move
through
the
slides
relatively
quickly
tonight
is
really
broadly
centered
on
our
energy
and
climate
work,
but
really
focused
on
two
very
specific
items.
First,
is
a
quick
update
on
the
wrap-up
efforts
related
to
municipalization,
followed
by
a
deeper
dive
on
the
work?
T
That's
really
taking
place
since
last
november's
vote,
including
a
bit
of
mapping
on
the
work
that's
currently
taking
shape
on
the
partnership.
I
did
want
to
point
out
on
the
agenda
that
we
do
have
iffy
jennings,
who
is
excel's
new,
boulder
area,
regional
manager.
She
is
with
us
tonight,
and
she
has
some
brief
words
to
say
to
council
when
we
get
to
that
point.
T
Go
ahead.
Go
to
the
next
slide.
Please
great!
So
we
do
have
a
few
questions
for
council
they're
fairly
general.
I
won't
read
them
out
loud
and,
of
course,
we'll
bring
them
back
up
at
the
end
of
the
presentation,
but
really
just
any
questions
that
council
has
with
respect
to
the
to
the
wrap-up
of
muni
and
then
how
we're
moving
forward
on
the
partnership
activities
next
slide,
please
so
to
start
with,
and
you
can
go
ahead
and
click
again.
T
You
know:
we've
spoken
often
that
electricity
generation
and
energy
more
broadly,
has
consistently
represented
the
majority
of
boulder's
emissions,
and
that
really
makes
it
a
key
target
for
our
climate
action,
and
it
has
really
been
decades
that
our
community
has
prioritized
an
energy
system
that
is
renewable,
local,
accessible,
reliable
and
secure.
You
can
see
those
words
on
your
screen
and
it's
really
that
framing
that's
consistently
driven.
T
So
many
of
our
policies
and
programs
locally
on
the
right-hand
side
of
your
screen
it
it's
a
reminder
that
council
has
also
endorsed
a
package
of
relatively
ambitious
energy
targets,
including
an
aggressive
100
renewable
electricity
target
by
2030..
Now.
The
reason
I
mentioned
that
is,
that
our
ability
to
rapidly
and
equitably
decarbonize
our
energy
supply
was
really
the
driving
factor
for
municipalization,
and
it's
going
to
continue
to
be
the
driving
factor
in
our
activities
moving
forward
through
the
excel
partnership.
T
T
We
do
plan
to
start
socializing
these
with
the
community
in
the
next
month
or
so,
and
that
will
lead
up
to
a
may
study
session
with
council
next
slide.
Please
so
just
a
very
quick
reminder
around
some
of
the
municipalization
discussion
between
2010
and
2020,
the
city's
primary
strategy
to
change
how
the
community's
energy
was
generated
was
to
bring
local
control
of
electricity
to
the
community
through
municipalization
or
the
creation
of
a
local
city-run.
T
Electric
utility
municipalization
was
really
from
the
beginning,
a
community
driven
effort
and,
as
we
know,
last
november,
after
many
months
of
negotiations
between
the
city
and
excel,
voters
approved
a
new
settlement
agreement
really
signaling
the
community's
desire
to
pause
municipalization
for
now
and
instead
focus
on
partnering
with
excel
energy.
Next
slide.
Please.
T
So
to
essentially
close
out
municipalization
at
this
point,
our
armeni
team
has
been
focused
on
a
handful
of
activities
really
over
the
past
couple
of
months
since
the
november
vote.
The
first
relates
to
funding
council
will
likely
recall
that,
prior
to
2018,
in
addition
to
the
utility
occupation,
tax
funding,
roughly
one
and
a
half
million
dollars
was
allocated
from
the
general
fund
to
supplement
staffing
and
really
unplanned
litigation
and
transition
expenses
that
were
were
not
part
of
the
project's
original
budget.
T
T
Remember
we
we
spent
nearly
10
years
or
over
10
years
in
an
adversarial
relationship
with
excel,
so
the
partnership
was
built
recognizing
that
ray
that
reality
excuse
me,
which
is
why
we
have
those
opt-outs.
So
if
we
determine
that
continuing
with
the
partnership
is
no
longer
in
the
best
interest
of
the
community
council,
of
course,
would
need
to
decide
whether
to
recommence
the
municipalization
effort
and,
in
particular,
the
funding
mechanism
necessary
to
continue
that
process
so
to
be
prepared.
T
In
that
event,
if
that
situation
arises,
the
staff
team
has
been
documenting
all
of
our
municipalization
work
activities,
archiving
pertinent
records,
including
our
engineering
designs
and
system
information.
T
T
So,
finally,
the
third
point
on
your
screen:
we,
we
really
have
covered
a
lot
of
territory
over
that
the
past
10
plus
years
and
and
made
what
I
see
is
an
unbelievable
amount
of
progress
on
a
really
complex
issue
that
the
tremendous
body
of
work
that
was
completed
by
the
staff
and
community
won't
be
wasted,
and
I
really
want
to
stress
that
point.
In
fact,
so
much
of
what
we
learned
through
the
municipalization
process
is
serving
us
in
the
partnership
we're
carrying
forward.
All
of
that
critical
information
and
all
of
the
lessons
learned.
T
There
is
additional
detail,
of
course,
on
the
specific
wrap-up
efforts
on
page
13
of
your
memo.
If
you'd
like
to
see
some
additional
detail
so
before
I
turn
it
over
to
carolyn
to
talk
about
the
partnership
activities,
I
did
want
to
reflect
that
really
throughout
the
history
of
municipalization,
our
community
was
divided
to
many.
The
vote
last
november
was
overdue
and
to
many
it
was
a
disappointment,
and
while
I
believe
there
is
general
agreement
around
our
community's
energy
goals,
I
I
do
think
there's
still
some
division
on
the
best
way
to
get
there.
Now.
T
I
I
raise
that
because
I
want
to
take
this
important
moment
to
really
thank
the
incredible
staff
team.
The
many
long
hours
we
spent
with
council
and
the
leadership
that
you
and
former
councils
showed
on
this
issue.
But,
most
importantly,
I
do
want
to
deeply
thank
our
community,
the
countless
hours
that
our
community
volunteered,
the
numerous
debates
and
the
overall
engagement
on
this
issue
was
really
extraordinary.
Regardless
of
what
side
of
the
issue
community
members
found
themselves
on.
T
I
Great,
thank
you
so
much
jonathan
and
thank
you
council
for
having
us
this
evening.
So
again,
as
jonathan
mentioned,
I'm
carol,
nielam,
I'm
the
energy
manager
in
climate
initiatives
and
just
to
some
background
for
since
I
joined
the
city
about
three
years
ago,
I've
been
really
leading
our
efficiency
and
local
generation
goals.
I
So
the
work,
the
energy
work
outside
of
municipalization
in
our
department
and
I'm
just
really
excited
to
to
be
launching
in
this
partnership
with
excel
and
really
kind
of
accelerating
the
goals
that
we
we've
laid
the
foundation
for
both
through
the
municipalization
work
and
our
work
outside
of
that
effort.
So
next
slide
and
then
again
next
slide.
Thank
you.
I
So
I
won't
rehash
the
timeline.
I
just
wanted
to
really
note
that
all
of
the
work
that
council
and
the
community
and
the
city
put
forth
in
excel
up
leading
up
to
the
vote
really
laid
the
foundation
for
what
we're
going
to
talk
about
tonight.
And
what
I'm
really
going
to
talk
to.
You
is
what
we've
been
doing
since
the
decision
that
occurred
in
november
to
launch
the
franchise
and
really
get
us
up
and
running
next
slide
before
I
really
dive
into
where
we're
at
with
the
partnership.
I
We
did
wanted
to
provide
a
brief
update
to
council
on
the
status
of
the
franchise
agreement
itself,
so
the
legal
document
that
governs
our
both
franchise
and
partnership
with
excel
so
just
as
background
that
does
get
filed
with
the
public
utilities
commission.
So
following
the
vote
in
november,
and
the
adoption
by
council
of
the
ordinance
that
adopts
that
franchise
excel
energy
did
file
that
with
the
public
utilities
commission
in
the
latter
part
of
december.
I
We
did
want
to
let
you
know
that,
as
you
know,
as
allowed
within
that
process,
there
is
opportunity
for
interested
parties
to
intervene,
and
so,
while
it's
not
typical
in
a
franchise
for
there
to
be
much
of
a
engagement
with
the
external
parties
or
even
the
public
utilities,
commission,
I
think
it's
no
surprise
that
you
know
just
with
some
of
the
nuances
of
our
our
franchise
agreement.
There
was
some
interest,
and
so
we
did
have
three
parties
interviewing
at
the
puc.
I
The
pc
has
since
referred
that
to
their
authority
having
jurisdiction
to
review
the
case
and
set
a
hearing
schedule,
so
we
have
not
formally
adopted
the
franchise.
We
can
answer
any
questions
about
that,
but
just
wanted
to
let
you
know
that
we
are
expecting
that
process
to
go
throughout
the
coming
months.
We
are
a
party
to
that
process
as
well,
so
we'll
certainly
keep
council
informed
and
we're
there
to
support
excel
in
the
commission
as
they
review
any
of
the
concerns
that
the
outside
parties
may
raise
through
that
process.
I
I
think
the
most
important
message,
though,
is
as
far
as
the
city
and
excel
are
concerned.
We
remain
committed
to
the
partnership
and
we're
not
slowing
down
progress,
as
we
continue
to
support
that
proceeding
so
just
wanted
to
to
make
that
clear
to
the
community
and
we'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
about
that
as
well.
Next
slide,
so
again,
just
the
founding
principles
of
the
partnership.
I
It's
really
to
advance
our
goals
around
our
greenhouse
gas
emissions
reduction
to
help
us
as
we
seek
to
eliminate
our
natural
gas
used
through
electrification
of
our
buildings
and
our
other
fossil
fuel
use
through
electrifying
our
transportation
system.
I
It's
really
to
help
us
boost
our
resilience
of
our
electricity
system
and
our
gas
system,
as
we
face
the
realities
of
climate
change
and,
and
some
of
the
stressors
that
come
with
that
and
then
founding
that
is,
is
really
addressing
our
equity
goals
and
delivering
a
more
equitable
solution
that
meets
all
of
our
communities.
Energy
needs
recognizing
that
we
have
a
ways
to
go
to
close
that
gap
next
slide.
I
So
the
partnership
agreement
outlined
kind
of
a
governance
structure.
So,
with
the
passing
of
the
the
franchise
we've
been
working
to
stand
up
that
structure
and
start
to
put
the
parts
and
pieces
in
place,
so
that
includes
the
executive
team,
which
is
a
joint
team
with
our
city
leadership,
so
chris
jonathan
and
some
key
members
of
our
executive
team,
as
well
as
the
excel
teams,
alice
jackson
and
her
leadership
team
serving
on
the
executive
team.
I
We
have
our
project
oversight
team,
which
is
really
managing
the
the
day-to-day
work,
helping
inform
priorities,
and
then
I
wanted
to
talk
about.
You
know
working
groups,
so
we
didn't
really
outline
this
in
the
partnership
agreement,
but
they're
really
core
to
the
operational
excellence
of
the
agreement.
So
we've
been
standing
up
those
groups
as
well,
that
really
brings
in
the
subject
matter,
expertise
from
both
the
city
and
and
from
excel,
and
thank
you
to
councilperson
friend
for
talking
about
our
advisory
panel
recruitment.
I
M
I
Russ
yeah,
sorry,
I
know
it's
a
big
number,
I'm
so
excited
and
it
represents
the
breadth
of
our
community
and
so
a
lot
of
residents,
businesses,
some
associations,
I'm
so
really
what
we
were
hoping
for.
I
still
encourage
people
to
imply
to
participate
because
I'm
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
that
means.
I'm
you
know
with
that
kind
of
interest
in
our
group,
we've
really
thought
about
what
the
balance
of
engagement
really
looks.
I
Like
you
know,
everybody
who
applies
to
be
a
member
of
that
panel
is
going
to
have
an
opportunity
to
provide
input
to
the
agreement
if
we
don't,
even
if
we
don't
formally
seek
them
on
the
panel,
so
really
looking
forward
to
that,
I'm
just
outlining
the
process
because
we
do
have
a
large
number
of
applicants.
We
do
expect
to
work
through
march
to
really
screen
those
conduct,
some
phone
interviews
with
folks
and
and
work
towards
seeing
our
panel
towards
the
latter
part
of
the
month.
I
So
with
that,
we'll
be
looking
to
really
kick
off,
that
advisory
panel
function
in
the
april
time
frame
and
so
we'll
be
really
kicking
off
publicly
the
the
process
of
participating
in
the
partnership.
At
that
point
in
time
next
slide,
I'm
going
to
talk
about
some
of
our
project
successes
so
far,
but
I
do
want
to
throw
this
slide
up
I'm.
I
I
am
not
going
through
all
these
names,
but
I
do
want
to
really
just
mention
that,
while
jonathan-
and
I
heard
talking
to
you
this
evening-
this
is
a
citywide
effort
and
we
really
have
leadership
throughout
the
organization
for
key
aspects
of
this
partnership,
and
these
are
just
the
folks
who
I've
had
key
discussions
with
meetings.
They've
been
in
meetings
with
excel
so
far
in
just
these
first
couple
of
months,
and
that
list
is
going
to
grow
and
if
I
look
to
excel,
you
know
it's
a
similar
level
of
effort
on
their
side.
I
You
know
and
I'll
talk
about
some
examples,
but
you're
thinking
about
our
leadership
from
transportation,
on
how
we
underground
our
system,
how
we
transition
our
street
light
system,
how
we
plan
to
electrify
our
our
fleets,
so
everybody
on
this
list
is,
is
really
playing
a
critical
role
and
it's
going
to
continue
to
grow,
and
I
just
really
value
the
partners
throughout
the
city
that
have
really
you
know,
rolled
up
their
sleeves
and
dumped
into
this
partnership
with
us
next
slide,
so
key
project
areas
that
we
highlighted
in
our
memo,
I'm
in
some
more
detail,
but
I
just
wanted
to
to
touch
on
here
so
distribution
planning.
I
You
know
highlights
of
work
here
is
really
working
with
excel
to
get
details
on
our
historical
reliability,
understanding
where
some
of
our
challenges
are
looking
at
some
of
our
future
investments,
working
with
them
in
our
city
departments,
to
plan
what
some
of
our
load
growth
might
be
around
deploying
electric
vehicle
charging
infrastructure,
as
we
really
think
about
how
we
want
to
transition
our
buildings
to
cleaner,
healthier
building
stock.
So
it's
a
lot
of
work,
really
standing
up
the
foundation
of
what
projects
are
going
to
flow
from
that
going
forward.
I
We
have
had
kickoffs
for
our
alpine
balsam
project,
so
looking
at
our
energy
infrastructure
opportunities
there,
as
well
as
chautauqua
and
the
sustainability
plan
there
and
really
thinking
about
what
the
feasibility
looks
like
for
different
projects
and
at
both
places.
So
we've
already
launched
that
and
are
continuing
to
work
with
those
teams
and
to
get
those
projects
off
the
ground
in
the
undergrounding
area.
I
I
We're
really
thinking
about
how
we
can
use
that
project
to
pilot
a
joint
trench
standard
which
will
collectively
save
money
for
both
the
city
and
excel
moving
forward.
So
we're
moving
forward
on
that
as
well.
100
renewable
electricity
in
the
coming
months
excel
will
be
filing
their
energy
resource
plan.
I
So
by
the
end
of
march,
we'll
really
have
an
idea
of
where
they're
going
to
be,
and
then
we'll
kickstart
projects
to
and
working
groups
to
really
plan
on
how
we
as
a
city
and
the
community
and
partnership
with
excel,
are
going
to
close
the
gap
between
where
excel
is
projecting
to
be
and
what
our
community's
goals
are.
Climate
policy
we've
been
supporting
senator
fenberg,
as
he
pursues
potential
legislation
to
really
remove
some
of
the
barriers
to
solar
adoption
for
customer
side
systems.
I
I
Just
to
give
you
an
idea,
we
have
about
4
700
lights,
street
lights
that
are
owned
and
operated
by
excel
and
another
400
that
are
owned
and
operated
by
the
city
at
this
point
in
time,
and
how
do
we
merge
that
system
and
make
it
a
high-performing
system?
We've
conducted
the
baseline
assessment
of
where
we
can
get
with
excel's
existing
programs
and
then
we're
collectively
working
with
them
to
explore
options
which
could
include
our
acquisition
of
the
street
light
system.
I
I
We
have
been
working
to
collectively
develop
a
more
detailed
plan
for
the
balance
of
this
year,
really
focusing
on
our
near
term
so
next
month,
goals
as
well
as
into
the
mid-summer
goal
and
the
end
of
the
year.
So,
as
I
noted,
we've
already
stood
up
our
governance
structure.
We've
launched
our
advisory
panel
recruitment.
I
We're
going
to
have
the
first
draft
of
our
underground
priorities
out
there
we're
going
to
launch
some
additional
projects
and
really,
by
the
end
of
the
year,
we
want
to
have
a
solid
plan
on
how
we're
going
to
close
the
gap.
What
our
interim
targets
are
going
to
be
we're
getting
to
our
100
goal.
I
talked
about
finalizing
street
lighting
conversion
and
many
other
projects.
So
we
can
talk
about
this
in
more
detail,
but
just
wanted
to
highlight
that's
where
we
plan
to
go
with
the
balance.
I
I
So,
as
we
heard
the
gas
we
do
have
already
74
community
members
have
expressed
interest
in
this,
which
I
think
is
very
telling
about
how
important
energy
is
to
the
breadth
of
our
community,
and
so
with
that
you
know,
we
want
to
be
very
clear
that
the
advisory
panel
is
not
the
only
means
by
which
our
community
is
going
to
engage
with
us.
We
do
plan
to
stand
up
working
groups
with
technical
experts.
We
plan
to
use
individuals
who
have
expressed
interest
in
the
advisory
panel
to
serve
in
focus
groups.
I
There's
going
to
be
quarterly
public
engagement
events,
where
we'll
give
updates
to
the
community,
they
can
ask
questions
we're
going
to
have
technical
presentations
with
the
first
one
targeted
for
april
on
some
of
our
specific
projects.
So
we
are
really
committed
to
keeping
the
community
engaged
and
really
providing
many
opportunities
to
them
to
participate,
as
well
as
opportunities
for
council
to
participate.
So
just
wanted
to
highlight
that
and
we'll
be
doing
a
lot
of
recruitment
and
participation
over
the
balance
of
this
year.
I
Once
we
received
our
advisory
panel
and
finally,
next
slide,
we
do
have
a
question
for
council
later,
I'm
just
making
sure
that
we're
hitting
the
appropriate
touch
points
to
keep
you
informed
as
well.
So
our
thoughts
at
this
point
are
an
annual
study
session
such
as
this
one
to
to
provide,
updates
and
engage
and
make
sure
we're
heading
in
the
correct
direction,
and
we
do
anticipate
using
information,
packets
for
specific
issues
or
topics
of
interest.
Obviously,
we
still
have
email
heads
up
hotline
posts.
I
I've
had
the
the
pleasure
of
working
with
iffy
since
she
joined
excel,
and
I
moved
into
this
role
over
the
last
couple
of
months,
and
we're
really
excited
to
have
here
here
to
to
talk
about
her
vision
for
a
partnership
and
I'd
like
to
just
welcome
iffy
to
the
community
and
give
her
an
opportunity.
I
think
she's
already
been
elevated,
so
iffy
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you.
I
R
You
carolyn
thank
you,
mr
mayor
and
city
council,
for
allowing
me
to
come
and
speak
to
you
tonight.
I'm
really
excited
to
be
here
fairly
new
to
the
excel
community
and
the
boda
community.
I
started
with
excel
in
november.
R
What
excited
me
about
this
partnership
and
what
moving
forward
is
an
opportunity
for
us
to
have
a
new
start
to
our
partnership
and
an
opportunity
to
partner
and
collaborate,
and
that's
the
lens
that
we
will
be
looking.
I
will
be
looking
at
this.
Partnership
is
through
a
lens
of
collaboration
and
partnership,
with
the
idea
of
knowing
that
we're
working
together
to
meet
an
overarching
goal
of
clean
energy
and
energy
efficiency
in
your
community.
R
I
know
the
boulder
community
is
very
exciting,
has
a
lot
of
innovative
ideas
to
bring
to
the
table
with
this
idea.
So
I
look
forward
to
hearing
all
the
diverse
opinions
and
opportunities
to
listen
to
the
diverse
opportunities
that
I'll
have
in
the
community
with
different
community
members
as
well
as
the
city.
The
city
has
been
great
partners
with
us
with
the
city
staff,
a
number
of
the
members
that
were
on
the
slides
that
carolyn
mentioned
before.
R
In
her
presentation
were
people
that
I've
had
the
opportunity
to
work
very
closely
with
and
with
our
excel
partnership,
and
my
colleagues
we're
all
coming
with
the
view
of
collective
impact
and
how
we
approach
this
partnership
moving
forward.
So
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
come
to
you
before
before
counseling,
mr
mayor
tonight.
I
look
forward
to
getting
to
know
each
of
you
and
we
are
very
excited
about
this
partnership
and
opportunity
to
continue
to
partner
with
the
city
of
boulder
thanks
carolyn.
I
Yeah,
no
thank
you
so
much
iffy.
So
I
think
we
go
to
the
next
slide
and
I'll
kick
it
back
to
jonathan
to
lead
us
through
the
the
questions
to
you,
council
and
answer
any
questions
that
you
might
have
of
us.
T
Thanks
carolyn
and
it
will
be
another
quick
handoff
back
to
to
rachel
and
I
think
the
questions
just
to
wrap
this
up
again.
We
wanted
to
just
clarify
if
there
were
any
questions,
thoughts
or
concerns
about
the
wrap-up
or
repayment
of
the
general
fund
with
respect
to
municipalization
and
then
the
the
second
and
third
question
really
are
on
the
partnership.
T
Whether
or
not
council
has
questions
or
thoughts
about
the
goals
or
structure
of
the
partnership
or
any
of
the
identified
projects
or
programs
that
carolyn
walked
through
in
her
part
of
the
presentation
and
and
then
as
carolyn
also
mentioned,
we'd
love
to
hear
from
council.
If
you
have
thoughts
or
preferences
around
the
communications
and
future
updates
on
the
energy
partnership,
both
as
as
we
think
about
communicating
back
with
council
and
then
the
community.
C
Thanks
jonathan
and
carolyn,
and
welcome
to
boulder
iffy
and
thanks
for
being
here
with
us
tonight,
a
nice
job
moving
through
that
quickly
and
and
trying
to
get
us
a
little
closer
to
back
on
track.
So,
first
I'll
open
it
up
to
counselor,
just
general
questions
on
the
presentation
and
then
we'll
move
to
discussion
and
answer
the
three
questions
that
jonathan
has
teed
up.
So
any
questions
I
see
mark
wallach
out
of
the
gate
and
then
we'll
go
to
see
him
and
whoever
else
gets
a
hand
up
mark.
M
My
questions
are
actually
relating
to
the
the
memo
that
accompanied
this
presentation,
and
in
that
I
I
read
that
the
cost
of
undergrounding
as
a
citywide
project
is
going
to
be
half
a
billion
dollars.
Is
that
correct.
I
So
I
think
we're
estimating
it
as
some
it's
half
somewhere
between
500
000
and
a
million
dollars,
I'm
sorry
and
to
which
project.
I'm
sorry
about.
M
M
My
question
is
that
the
memo
also
states
that
there's
33
million
available
over
the
next
20
years
from
excel
and
if
we
are
reliant
only
upon
that
revenue
stream,
this
project
would
take
us
300
years
to
complete.
M
I
Yes,
no
now
I
understand
your
question
and
thank
you
for
that.
Councilman
wallach,
I
yeah,
so
we've
done
an
estimate
and
that
that
includes
undergrounding,
every
single
residential
feeder,
as
well
as
the
entire
backbone
of
the
of
the
system
and-
and
so
what
we
know
is
that
we
can
greatly
improve
reliability
by
underground,
even
just
a
small
section
of
that
in
the
very
near
term,
and
that's
how
we're
prioritizing
the
33
million
dollar
investment.
I
I
think
it's
a
very
important
conversation
for
the
community
that
we'll
be
having
moving
forward
as
to
how
we
collectively
share
in
the
cost
of
the
balance
of
that
system,
because
once
we
start
to
get
to
those
lower
level,
theaters
we're
really
talking
about
aesthetics
as
opposed
to
to
really
enhancing
our
resilience.
And
so
I
think
that
is
a
conversation.
We
definitely
want
to
start
to
have
with
the
community
and
see
what
kind
of
cost
sharing
mechanisms
we
can
put
in
place.
I
Another
investment,
but
yes,
the
the
proportion
that
excel
covers
through
the
one
percent
is
estimated
and
we're
projecting
about
33
million
dollars
over
the
the
term
of
the
franchise.
M
N
Mark
mark,
can
I
colloquy.
I
just
have
a
follow-up.
I
appreciate
that.
So
in
the
memo
it
also
says,
undergrounding
distribution
main
lines
will
yield
the
largest
benefit
in
terms
of
reliability.
So
I
was
curious
if
you've
got
a
breakdown,
because
mark's
right,
500
million,
is
very
daunting
and
it
would
be
many
many
years,
many
centuries.
In
fact
before
we
got
there,
but
the
biggest
bang
for
the
buck
is
with
the
bigger
lines.
I
Yeah,
so
we
don't
have
that
number
yet
mayor,
but
what
we
do
have
is
we've
gotten
from
excel
through
non-disclosure
at
this
point,
the
reliability
data
to
really
identify
what
those
key
segments
and
and
lines
are
where
we
do
see
the
greatest
reliability
issues
as
well
as
the
greatest
customer
benefits,
so
meaning
the
number
of
people
served
by
that
main
line.
So
we
do
hope
to
have
that
estimate
later
this
year.
As
part
of
that
five
year,
plan.
M
Okay
and
my
other
question
would
be
after
what
we've
seen
in
texas
besides
undergrounding:
are
there
any
things
we
need
to
do
with
our
energy
system
to
make
it
more
resilient
going
forward,
so
we
don't
have
the
same
experience
that
they
do,
even
though
we
have
different
climactic
conditions.
I
Yeah
so
first
you
know,
I
would
say
we
have
a
very
good
partner
in
excel
who
has
operated
in
extreme
weather
events
in
cold
climate
and
has
a
pretty
robust
management
plan
for
their
gas
service.
I
I
think
a
lot
of
what
you
saw
in
texas
really
has
to
do
with
the
fact
that
they
have
very
inefficient
heating
systems,
because
they
don't
rely
on
it
routinely,
combined
with
a
poor
plan
for
how
they
manage
that
gas
usage
and
electrical
consumption
that
went
with
that.
So
we
definitely,
I
think,
have
a
much
more
robust
system
to
start
with.
I
But
as
we
look
to
that,
I
think
it's
really
a
matter
of
really
planning
what
our
low
growth
could
look
like
and
continuing
to
deploy
some
of
the
most
efficient
and
resilient
management
approaches
that
our
community
has
really
been
a
leader
in
you
know
we
do
have
pockets
of
concern.
We
certainly
are
wrapping
up.
Our
programs
focused
on
our
manufactured
housing
communities
as
an
example
which
we
know
continue
to
be
very
vulnerable
to
the
impact,
so
the
city's
been
increasing
investment
directly
for
weatherization
in
our
manufactured
communities.
I
So
I
think
those
are
things
that
we
very
much
flagged
and
then
considering
to
look
at
things
like
how
we
may
deploy
microgrids
to
our
projects
at
alpine,
balsam
and
chautauqua,
and
thinking
about
how
those
could
be
more
scaled
to
enhance
our
resilience.
So
those
are
things.
We've
certainly
flagged
through
the
partnership
to
try
and
mitigate,
because
we
do
know
that
we're
going
to
see
continuing
climatic
events,
we
saw
the
fires
this
summer.
We
know
that
people
are
happy
to
shelter
more
and
more
in
buildings
which
increases
their
lows.
I
We've
seen
that
with
covid,
so
making
sure
that
we
have
a
resilient
electricity
system
to
that
kind
of
load.
Change
is
really
important.
I
Yeah,
I
think
once
we
make
a
decision
on
whether
we
want
to
acquire
the
system
and
a
few
nuances
to
that
is
under
you
know,
excel's
current
program.
They
would
cover
the
retrofit
of
about
60
of
our
lights,
the
balance
we
would
have
to
pay
for
so
we're
trying
to
estimate
that
cost.
You
know
once
we
have
the
green
light,
it's
a
fairly
rapid
process
to
convert
the
lights,
so
I'd
say
something
on
the
order
of
you
know.
Six
months
could
get
us
fully
converted.
I
I
do
think
we
want
to
work
with
the
community
really
to
understand
what
that
plan
is
because
we
know
changing
out
the
street
lights
changing
out.
The
lighting
quality
is
is
not
always
a
smooth
event,
and
so
we
want
to
make
sure
we
work
closely
with
the
community
to
manage
that
process
and
meet
their
expectations
and
make
sure
we
have
the
customer
service
to
back
up
that
conversion.
If
we
do
identify
issues,
so
I
would
say
we'd
probably
plan
for
a
full
year
deployment,
but
the
complete
conversion
is
is
a
relatively
rapid
process.
N
Great
thanks
for
the
presentation,
much
appreciated,
I
a
few
comments,
I'll
save
till
the
end,
but
my
first
question
is:
has
the
executive
team
had
a
meeting
yet
I
believe
the
executive
team
is
our
city
manager
and
the
ceo
of
piesco
excel
colorado
and
some
others
around
them.
So
is
that
met
yet
and
what
are
the
plans
for
communicating
out
the
results
of
those
meetings.
I
So
our
plan
is
to
really
kick
off
the
executive
team
meetings,
as
well
as
the
associated
public
meetings
starting
in
april,
so
they
have
not
met
yet,
but
we're
get
working
to
get
that
on
on
folks
calendars.
I
T
I
I
want
to
add
one
piece
to
that.
If
you
don't
mind
sam
thanks
for
the
question
I
I
do
want
to
report,
though,
that
we
do
meet
weekly
with
with
senior
leadership
at
excel,
to
talk
about
how
we
are
standing
up,
this
partnership
specifically
around
some
of
the
near-term
projects
and
actions
and
around
the
governance
structure.
So
while
the
executive
team
has
not
yet
met,
I
think
we
have
had
a
really
clear
line
of
communication.
N
Super
thanks
much
and
then
I
want
to
follow
up
on
mark's
questions
about
resilience,
and
I
love
the
answers
that
you
gave
there.
That
was
wonderful.
Another
component
of
this,
some
of
which
is
inside
our
boundaries,
but
much
of
which
is
outside
of
our
boundaries
is
wildfire
impacts,
and
I
know
that
there's
a
little
bit
of
work.
That's
starting!
I
know
there's
some
money.
The
puc
allowed
excel
to
be
spending
on
planning
for
this,
but
I
was
curious
how
we're
going
to
incorporate
the
wildfire
question
into
our
resilience,
planning
working
with
excel.
T
What
are
the
right
tactics
that
we
can
think
about
more
in
a
more
regional
basis,
so
I
really
appreciate
that
you're
bringing
up
the
wildfire
issue,
because
there
are
all
types
of
threats
to
our
energy
system
and
how
do
we
think
about
local
generation?
How
do
we
think
about
microgriding?
How
do
we
think
about
islanding?
T
How
do
we
think
about
undergrounding
all
of
those
tactics
to
really
protect
and
harden
the
system,
but
also
create
benefits
in
real
time
as
well?
So,
that's
that's
something
that
we
have
started
discussions
with,
but
I
don't
think
we
have
a
full
answer
to
your
question.
Carolyn
may
have
a
better
response,
though.
I
No,
I
think
that
was
beautiful,
jonathan.
I
I
don't
really
have
anything
to
to
add.
Although
you
know
we
do
know
that,
there's
a
lot
of
work
going
on
right
now
to
harden
the
resilience
of
our
main
transmission
system
around
the
community.
So
that's
the
the
project,
that's
been
ongoing
and
will
continue
with
the
work.
I
It's
it's
up
near
boulder
hydro
at
this
point
really
looking
to
improve
those
large
towers,
their
resistance
to
start
their
durability,
their
ability
to
prevent
starting
fires
as
well,
as
you
know,
keeping
them
above
the
tree
canopy
so
that
they
aren't
as
susceptible.
So
I
mean
that
work
has
been
ongoing,
but
I
think,
as
jonathan
said,
it's
a
conversation.
That's
just
really
starting
and
has
a
lot
of
opportunity
to
to
really
grow
from
here.
N
C
Thanks
sam
mary
and
then
I
have
a
one
question.
J
Thank
you
rachel
and
thank
you,
jonathan
and
iffy
and
carolyn
for
your
presentations.
I
have
kind
of
want
to
follow
up
on
some
some
with
the
streetlights
question
that
mark
was
asking
I'm
curious
about
one
well.
The
this
piece
in
the
memo
with
respect
to
street
lights
mentioned
that
there
would
be
multiple
pathways
to
achieve
our
street
lighting
goals,
and
I'm
wondering
how
that
plays
in
with
the
memo
talks
about
just
replacing
the
lights.
J
But
it
doesn't
talk
about
the
poles
that
the
lights
are
on.
It
doesn't
talk
about
fixtures
such
as
I
would
assume
that
those
lights
would
have
to
comply
with
dark
skies
and
how
does
maintenance
play
into
that
and
so
and
and
how
does
how
does
equity
play
into
that?
I
mean
which
neighborhoods
would
come
first
and
how
would
all
of
that
be
handled?
So
I'm
just
curious
about
kind
of
a
more
holistic
approach
to
the
street
lighting
question
and
cost
wise
and
also
kind
of
management,
wise.
I
Yeah
that
that's
a
really
great
question
and
thank
you
very
much
for
framing
it.
That
way.
I,
what
I
would
say
is,
I
think,
that's
the
reason
we
haven't
moved
forward
with
just
working
under
excel's.
Existing
offering
to
convert
our
lights
is
because
we
know
that
as
a
community,
we
really
want
to
go
deeper
and
explore
right
sizing
our
lighting
system
to
really
address
the
current
community
needs
addressing
things
like
making
sure
we're
more
aligned
with
our
dark
skies.
I
So
our
plan
is
to
really
go
out
and
we're
planning
to
issue
a
request
for
proposals
coming
up
to
start
to
get
ideas
from
the
lighting
community
as
to
what
the
cost
of
that
might
look
like.
So
it
would
look
at
all
sorts
of
options
to
include
redesign
of
key
components
of
our
system,
which
would
replace
existing
light,
poles
and
lights
to
right
size
and
so
removing
some
fixtures
adding
adding
different
ones
so
that
we
can
ultimately
present
the
council
in
the
community
with
the
range
of
options
from
just
a
simple
retrofit.
I
All
the
way
to
you
know
what
would
be
a
more
holistically
designed
system
that
is
more
aligned
with
kind
of
what
our
standards
have
been
for,
how
the
city
has
deployed
our
400
lights
so
far.
So
that
is
our
our
goal
and
our
deliverable
that
we're
planning
to
present
you
with
later
this
year.
Hopefully
I'm
assuming.
We
have
success
with
that
request
for
proposals
and
getting
those
numbers,
because
it
will
be
ranges.
The
acquisition
is,
is
the
the
smallest
issue
of
the
whole
process.
J
Thank
you,
carolyn,
and
I
also
was
curious
about
the
structure
of
the
rates
the
memo
talked
about
that
and
what
does
the
puc
play
a
role
in
this.
I
Yes,
and
so
I
think,
that's
so
right
now-
the
4
700
lights-
I
refer
to
that
ourselves
are
non-metered,
and
so
we
pay
a
monthly
charge
for
those
called
a
street
lighting
rate
in
which
there's
all
sorts
of
components
into
that
rate.
That
includes
depreciation
of
those
lights,
as
well
as
some
operation
and
maintenance,
as
well
as
the
energy
charge.
I
That
goes
within
that
when
you
have
a
meter
lighter
or
more
of
a
metered
rate
you're
taking
out
some
of
those
other
costs
like
depreciation
of
the
light
and
such
which
greatly
lowers
the
cost,
all
the
cities
likes
the
400
that
we
own
are
metered,
so
we're
actually
paying
an
even
lower
rate
for
those,
but
that
comes
at
a
investment
cost
for
that
infrastructure
to
be
able
to
to
meter
those.
So
those
are
the
trade-offs
we're
going
to
have
to
explore,
but
that
is
set
at
the
public
utilities.
I
Commission,
they
review
those-
and
you
know
we're
really
working
with
a
design.
That's
decades
old
and
really
hasn't
been
modernized,
and
I
think
that's
why
you
see
excel
working
with
so
many
communities
right
now
to
explore.
What's
the
best
way
to
meet
their
lighting
needs
just
because
they
they
don't
have
as
much
opportunity
to
really
make
that
a
flexible
design
to
meet
specific
communities
needs.
And
so
I
think
that's
why
they've
been
working
with
us
to
explore
the
potential
acquisition
option,
which
would
give
us
a
greater
control
over.
C
It's
mary,
okay.
I
have
one
question
then
we'll
turn
to
discussion
and
it's
a
little
bit
similar
to
what
mark
was
asking
and
I'm
guessing.
We
were
all
kind
of
reading
this
memo.
You
know
at
the
same
time
as
we
were
watching
what
was
happening
in
the
dire
situation
in
texas,
so
I
was
struck
when
I
was
reading
it.
C
Looking
at
the
undergrounding
considerations,
we
did
put
an
emphasis
on
reliability
and
mitigation
of
risk
and
equity,
but
then
we
also
mentioned
things
like
the
view
shed,
and
so
I
was
just
thinking
given
the
gravity
of
what
we've
seen
play
out
in
texas.
Is
it
appropriate
to
be?
You
know,
looking
at
preserving
view
sheds
at
this
point
when
we're
talking
about
undergrounding
or
until
we
have
equity
in
place
and
reliability
locked
in
and
fire
hazards
mitigated?
I
I
You
know,
I
would
say,
first
and
foremost,
our
investment
is
going
to
be
prioritized
towards
any
kind
of
hazard
mitigation,
so
that
could
prevent
that
could
include,
as
we
talked
about
potential
ignition
sources
for
fire,
which
you
know,
I
don't
think
we
have
very
many
of
those
that
that's
what
we're
exploring
as
well.
As
you
know,
we
are
subject
to
flooding
and
so
considering
things
that,
could
you
know
systems
that
could
create
debris
powers?
I
Those
would
be
the
first
and
foremost
reliability
is
second,
I
think
you
know
if
there's
a
trade-off
consideration
that
might
be
where
view
shed
comes
into
play,
but
certainly
you
know
recognizing
the
magnitude
of
investment.
That's
needed,
you
know
I
don't.
I
don't
foresee
that
we
would
see
any
early
investment
prioritized
towards
something
that
strictly
be
shed,
but
we
might,
it
might
be
a
factor
into
how
you
design
or
how
far
you
take
it
or
other
considerations.
C
Okay,
thanks
for
that,
I
guess
maybe
I'll
just
circle
back
to
it
in
discussion.
Okay,
so
I'm
gonna
turn
now
to
discussion
and
go
through
the
three
specific
questions
that
staff
asked
and
then
open
it
up
for
general
comments
or
discussion
after
that.
So
the
first
question
is:
does
council
have
any
questions
about
the
municipalization,
wrap-up
or
repayment
of
the
general
fund?
C
I've
perhaps
a
merry
thumbs
up
all
right.
Moving
on
to
question
two:
does
council
have
any
questions
about
the
goals
and
structure
of
the
energy
partnership
or
any
identified
projects
or
programs.
C
Any
specific
questions
there:
okay,
third
council,
have
any
questions
or
preferences
around
communications
and
future
updates
on
the
energy
partnership,
all
right,
let's
just
open
it
up
to
random
discussion,
then
sam.
I
know
you
are
holding
some
some
stuff
back
and
I'm
going
to
probably
want
to
circle
back
to
the
half
a
billion
dollars
in
the
view
shed.
So
I'm
going
to
assume
your
hands
up
sam
and
turn
to
you.
If
that's
okay
and
anyway,.
N
Thanks,
I
guess
I
want
to
say
that
I
really
appreciate
the
framework
around
the
undergrounding
decision
making
process.
I
think
that's
a
good
way
to
kick
it
off,
because
I
think
we're
gonna
want
frameworks
around.
You
know
lots
of
projects
how
we
prioritize
them
and
how
we
have
equity
as
well
as
protection.
N
Our
as
driver
considerations,
I
mean
at
the
center
and
cmap
of
our
triangle
of
solutions
and
actions,
is
equity
and
resilience.
So
I
think
those
are
perfect
and
I
think
those
are
the
right
filters
to
kind
of
look
at
everything
with
so
I
guess
I'll.
N
We
know
alpine
balsam,
for
instance,
and
we
know
undergrounding,
but
I
guess
the
the
question
about
communication
is
really
interesting
because
there's
a
subset
of
us
who
would
be
really
interested
in
things
like
how's,
the
distribution
planning
working
because
that's
not
something
that
excel
has
done
before
is
work
with
the
community
on
distribution
system
planning.
So
I
think
you
know
among
the
group
of
us
who
care
about
that.
It
will
be
really
interesting
to
both
hear
it
in
our
community,
but
also
it
would
be
interesting
to
know
how
that
might
be
used
in
other
communities.
N
So,
in
other
words,
are
other
communities
interested
in
that
component.
For
us,
it
was
a
big
deal
because
resilience
is
a
huge
driver
and
I
would
be
curious
to
know
if
there
are
other
communities
interested
in
that
or
other
aspects
of
what
we're
doing.
So.
I
think
the
communication
portion
of
this
needs
to
continue
to
develop
in
a
way
that
there's
geeks
and
communicating
with
the
geeks
is
important,
but
also
showing
the
relevance
to
the
wider
community.
N
N
That
is
going
to
make
a
difference
in
our
community's
ability
to
get
through
those
things.
So
I
think
this
is
a
great
kickoff,
and
I
guess
that
does
that.
Word
brings
me
to
one
other
point.
I
do
think
we
want
to
have
a
kick
off
event.
You
know
once
kind
of
our
feet
are
under
us
and
and
covid's
ramping
down
and
the
partnership
is
ramping
up
and
the
puc
has
had
it
say.
N
I
think
it
would
be
good
to
have
a
kickoff
event
where
our
community
gets
to
meet
some
of
the
excel
principals,
who
will
be
working
with
us,
and
we
talk
about
how
we
want
to
hear
their
inputs
on
these
things
and
introduce
our
advisory
group
to
the
community.
So
I
think
it's
a
great
start
kudos
to
everyone
for
that,
and
I
look
forward
to
seeing
how
it
evolves.
C
Well
said,
sam
no
other
takers,
we
can
go
for
hours
on
the
municipality,
I
mean
so
I'll
summarize
here.
If
truly
nobody
else
wants
to
chime
in
and
and
just
reiterate
that
you
know
what
I
was
getting
at
is
while
we're
looking
at
a
half
a
billion
dollars
in
undergrounding.
C
I
would
think
a
lot
of
it
in
the
near
future
would
be
on
those
top
three
considerate
considerations
of
mitigation
and
reliability
and
equity,
and
until
those
are
really
locked
in,
I
just
don't
understand
why
we
would
be
looking
at
things
like
vue
shed,
so
hope
that
that's
that
that
is
the
plan
and
that
I'm
reading
it
correctly
and
then
I
will
just
distill.
I
think
some
of
the
priorities
that
I
heard
tonight,
which
is
resiliency
and
especially
concern
over
things
like
wildfires
and
undergrounding.
I
C
O
C
Jonathan
yeah
thanks
so
much
and
then
I
I
guess
I
lied
earlier
in
the
meeting
when
I
said
we
have
two
discussion
points
because
we
have
three
and
yeah
jonathan
left.
So
I'm
assuming
we
answered
all
of
his
questions,
although
I
should
have
clarified
that
if
you're
still
there
jonathan
anything
else,
you
need.
T
No,
I
don't
think
so.
I
I
think,
just
to
be
clear.
We
will
be
bringing
back
kind
of
answers
to
your
questions
and
thinking
about
a
regular
update
for
council.
It
may
be
in
the
form
of
ips,
because
I
think
there
were
some
things
that
were
brought
up,
that
that
we
can
easily
respond
to
so
just
know
that
we
want
to
strengthen
the
communication
line
between
both
the
work.
That's
going
on
in
council
and,
of
course,
the
community.
C
Perfect,
thank
you.
So
it's
a
very
brief
third
item.
It's
a
quick
city
attorney
recruitment,
update
around
the
firm
selection
and
a
draft
recruitment
timeline.
So
I
don't
know
if
I'm
over
to
chris
messchuck
and
jen
sprinkle
or
if
I
am
supposed
to
stay
with
this
so
over
to
chris,
maybe
as
a
question.
U
I
I've
got
it
good
evening:
council,
I'm
jen
sprinkle
hr
director
for
the
city
of
boulder.
The
city
attorney
recruitment
process
begins
this
week
with
the
recruitment
firm,
the
novak
group,
so
the
city
has
an
existing
recruitment
contract
with
the
novak
group,
which
is
part
of
raf
telus.
U
U
The
recruiter
then
after
that
process
will
present
confidential
candidate
materials
to
council
members.
The
week
of
may
5th
council
members
will
be
asked
then,
to
read
applications
and
provide
feedback
to
the
recruiter
and
the
council
subcommittee
and
then
the
week
of
may
17th.
Council
members
will
have
the
opportunity
to
interview
the
finalists
again
two
by
two.
There
will
also
be
an
opportunity
for
community
feedback
once
the
finalists
are
determined
and
we
anticipate
the
next
city
attorney
joining
the
city
of
boulder
in
the
month
of
june
and
any
questions.
C
Thanks
jen-
and
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
as
a
member
of
this
recruitment
subcommittee-
obviously
we're
not
voting
on
anything
tonight,
but
we
wanted
to
bring
this
to
you,
because
we're
really
trying
to
hammer
out
a
pretty
fast
timeline,
because
we
have
a
narrow
window
to
have
someone
begin
this
job
and
overlap
with
tom
carr
in
time
for
his
anticipated
retirement.
C
My
personal
feeling,
as
a
member
of
the
subcommittee,
is
again
we
are
trying
to
hit
the
ground
running
and
heather
has
been
wonderful
on
the
city
manager
search,
and
I
think
that
it
would
be
a
very
natural
thing
for
us
to
move
into
the
same
format
and
kind
of
know
what
we're
getting
from
heather
and-
and
I
think
it
will
be
pretty
seamless.
So
that's
my
take
on
why
it
would
be
good
to
hire
her
for
this
as
well,
and
I
see
a
couple
of
hands
up.
C
So
I'm
gonna
go
over
to
I'm
gonna
go
mary
and
then
erin.
A
Thanks
mary
yeah,
so
I
think
this
is
fantastic.
You
know
as
mary
and
I
of
course
have
been
the
city
manager,
search
subcommittee
and
working
with
heather
has
been
a
a
pleasure.
She
does
an
extraordinary
job
and
I
would
be
thrilled
to
have
her
continue
on
to
help
us
select.
The
next
city
attorney.
J
Yeah
and
I
agree
with
aaron-
and
I
just
want
to
add
that
the
the
process
for
the
city
manager
selection
has
gone
so
smoothly.
Jen
and
heather
have
coordinated
everything
pretty
seamlessly
and
things
have
gone
off
without
a
hitch
and
so
staying
with
the
same
team,
a
proven
success.
So
I
I
would
recommend
staying
with
heather.
C
N
M
Well,
my
my
question:
I've
had
wonderful
experiences
with
heather,
but
my
question
is
how
many
city
attorney
searches
has
her
firm
conducted,
acknowledging
that
that
recruitment
of
attorneys
is
is
a
little
bit
different
than
recruitment
recruitment
of
city
managers?
And
so
I
guess
I'm
just
asking:
what's
the
direct
applicable
experience.
U
I
don't
have
the
exact
number,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
there,
this
firm
has
a
current
active
recruitment
for
a
city
attorney
and
also
a
county
attorney.
So
these
are
active
attorney
recruitments
that
they
are
working
on.
C
Thanks
heather,
I
I
think
maybe
bob
has
the
the
new
hand
up.
I
don't
know
mary
if
mark,
if,
if
your
hands
are
old,
there.
A
H
Following
the
old
hands,
I
just
I
want
to
answer
sam's
question
mark,
and
I
have
had
a
discussion
so
mark
mark
was-
was-
was
going
to
serve
on
this
committee
with
in
partnership
with
rachel
and
as
we
discussed
last
week,
aaron
and
I
had
raised
our
hands-
have
not
yet
been
appointed
to
the
cu.
H
South
process
subcommittee
mark
and
I
have
had
a
discussion
and
not
to
confuse
folks,
but
I
think
we're
going
to
propose
to
council
next
week
in
the
council's
decision
that
we
actually
swap
places
and
that
I
serve
on
the
process
committee
for
the
city
attorney
with
rachel
and
mark
serve
on
the
cu.
South
process
committee
with
aaron
that'll,
obviously
be
a
vote
of
council
next
week,
but
just
to
tee
that
up
in
response
to
sam's
question.
C
Thanks
for
that,
bob,
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
flag
any
concerns
with
that
bob
and
mark
horse
trading
amongst
themselves
discussion.
Obviously,
you
can't
vote
on
anything
tonight,
adam
I'm.
C
Thanks
thanks
for
that,
yes,
I
think
that's
true
and
again.
That
will
be,
as
I
understand
it
taken
to
council
next
week
for
a
vote.
C
U
C
Right
now,
okay,
thank
you.
So
I
think
that
that
wraps
up
agenda
item
three
jen
did
you
need
anything
else
on
this
or
questions
concerns
before
we
move
and
tom
I
see
you're.
I
see
you
for
the
first
time
on
camera
tonight.
Did
you
have
a
did?
You
want
to
weigh
in
on
that
good
to
see
you
jenna?
Do
you
need
anything
else
from
us
here
tonight
before
we
move
on
no
we're
all
set?
Thank
you
great
thanks.
C
Okay,
if
there
are
no
more
hands,
I
believe
that
concludes
our
council
business
for
tonight
and
we
are
formally
adjourned.
Thank
you.
F
Or
you
know,
which
you
just
mentioned,
and
also
witnesses,
have
sort
of
spotted
two
notorious
military
troops
in
both
yangon
and
mandalay.
So
in
mandalay.