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A
A
A
B
The
august
18th
2022
meeting
of
the
boulder
city
council
before
I
get
into
our
regular
announcements,
I
did
want
to
make
a
special
one.
I
wanted
to
extend
a
hearty
congratulations
to
our
colleague,
councilmember
junie
joseph
who
was
just
selected
to
be
the
nominee
for
the
hd10
seat
and
the
representatives,
the
house
of
representatives.
B
Congratulations
we're
very
proud
of
you,
although
we
will
miss
you
when
you
have
to
resign
early
after
what
I'm
sure
will
be
a
successful
election
in
the
fall.
So.
B
And,
let's
see,
then
can
we
move
into
a
couple
other
announcements
get
on
the
screen
here.
B
Okay,
during
the
entire
month
of
august
rtd
will
offer
zero
fares
across
his
system
as
part
of
the
zero
fare
for
better
air
initiative.
This
collaborative
statewide
initiative
made
possible
by
colorado
center
bill.
22
180
in
partnership
with
the
colorado
energy
office,
is
designed
to
reduce
ground
level
ozone
by
increasing
use
in
public
transit.
B
Current
rtd,
customers
will
also
benefit,
as
you
will
not
have
to
use
or
purchase
fair
products
from
august
1st
through
the
31st
during
colorado's
high
housing
season.
So
by
taking
advantage
of
free
transit
in
august,
you
can
save
money
on
gas
and
parking
avoid.
The
frustration
of
driving
in
traffic
help
improve
air
quality
by
reducing
single
occupant
vehicle
traffic,
use
your
commute
to
catch
up
on
work,
listen
to
music
or
read
a
book
so
for
more
information.
Please
visit
our
tds
site
at
wwe,
denver,
dot
com,
slash
url!
B
I
can't
see
because
it's
blocked
but
go
to
their
main
site.
You'll
find
it
from
there.
C
B
No
worries
next
coven
19
testing
and
vaccinations
so
for
information
provider
locations
for
free,
kobe,
19
testing.
You
can
go
to
www.voco.org
testing
the
boulder
site,
for
that
is
2445
stasio
drive
that's
open
seven
days
a
week
from
8
am
to
6
pm
and
for
vaccine
information
and
provider
locations.
You
can
go
to
www.boco.org
covey,
the
vaccine.
B
F
F
E
B
Thanks
so
much
all
right
now,
let's
talk
about
the
agenda,
I
actually
want
to
bring
up
a
couple
of
things
here.
So
one
is
that
the
outdoor
dining
item
has
a
bit
of
additional
information
to
it.
So
it's
looking
like
that's
going
to
take
longer
than
15
minutes
just
as
an
fyi.
It
might
be
30
minutes
or
so.
B
And
also
we
had
at
cac
this
week,
we
proposed
to
add
under
item
6b
to
add
item
6b,
disposable
bag,
feet
and
single
use
plastics
option
and
an
8a
living
wage
update
from
from
councilmember
volkerz.
There
was
also
a
hotline
email
from
our
director
and
housing
and
human
services
about
the
discussion
on
day
service
and
navigation
center.
B
There
is
some
concern,
though,
now
with
the
meeting
getting
too
long,
so
he
did
note
that
the
next
two
upcoming
provider
meetings,
which
which
are
coming
up
soon,
will
are
open
to
the
public
one
second.
B
So
those
are
open
to
the
public,
so
any
member
of
the
council
can
attend
those,
but
then
there's
the
question
of
potentially
setting
up
a
process
subcommittee
for
that.
So
my
proposal
is
that
we
talk
about
that
at
our
study
session
next
week
to
keep
the
meetings
balanced
and
that,
if
council
is
interested
in
forming
that
process
subcommittee
that
we
do
so
probably
on
consent
on
september
1st.
B
B
Okay
motion
second:
to
mend
the
agenda.
All
in
favor
hold
your
hand
up.
That's
everybody
very
good
thanks.
The
agenda
is
julie,
amended
also.
Now
I
want
to
turn
it
over
to
junie
just
for
a
quick
announcement
about
her
her
evening
so
june.
If
you
want
to
speak
to
that,
please.
G
Thank
you
so
much,
and
I
just
want
to
thank
you,
mayor
brackett,
for
your
kindness.
Thank
you.
So
much
also,
I
am
heading
I'm
part
of
the
geographic
naming
board
and
the
board
is
having
a
meeting,
so
I
might
be
have
to
step
away
from
our
council
meeting
for
about
15
to
20
minutes,
but
I'm
here
for
the
rest
of
the
night.
Thank
you.
B
J
J
As
some
of
you
may
know
these
slides
well,
I
appreciate
your
patience
while
we
go
through
them
for
folks
who
have
not
joined
us
as
often
or
might
be
joining
us
tonight
for
the
very
first
time
so
I'll
just
read
through
these
quickly,
the
city
has
engaged
with
community
members
to
co-create
a
vision
for
productive,
meaningful
and
inclusive
civic
conversations.
J
We
went
through
quite
a
process
to
design
this
vision,
and
you
can
learn
more
about
that.
By
going
to
our
website
bouldercolorado.gov
and
put
in
the
search
function,
productive
atmospheres,
you
can
learn,
probably
more
than
you'd
ever
want
to
know
next
slide.
J
Next
slide:
please
there
we
go
the
following:
are
examples
of
rules
of
our
decor
of
our
rules
of
decorum
found
in
the
boulder
revised
code
and
other
guidelines
that
support
our
vision,
and
these
will
be
upheld
during
tonight's
meeting.
All
remarks
and
testimony
shall
be
limited
to
matters
related
to
city
business.
J
No
participant
shall
make
threats
or
use
other
forms
of
intimidation
against
any
person,
obscenity,
racial
epithets
and
other
speech
and
behavior
that
disrupts
or
otherwise
impedes
the
ability
to
conduct
the
meeting
are
prohibited
and
participants
are
required
to
sign
up
to
speak
using
the
name.
They're
commonly
known
by
and
individuals
must
display
their
whole
name
before
being
allowed
to
speak
online.
J
B
K
Okay,
I
want
to
thank
boulder
city
council
for
their
time
and
consideration.
My
name
is
dr
arie.
All
I
am
a
physician
and
psychiatrist
working
in
boulder
colorado
am
here
to
talk
about
decriminalization
of
psychedelics.
In
the
past
10
years,
research
has
shown
that
psychedelics
can
have
a
profound
effect
on
anxiety,
depression
and
trauma.
A
single
dose
of
psilocybin
has
much
higher
emission
rates
for
depression
than
the
traditional
antidepressants
we
currently
use
in
psychiatry.
K
In
that
same
line,
mdma
has
been
shown
to
have
the
highest
efficacy
for
trauma
and
ptsd
of
any
treatment
tried
so
far
as
for
safety,
studies
have
shown
that,
in
terms
of
harm
to
society
and
harm
to
the
person
taking
the
drug,
alcohol
heroin
and
cocaine
cause
the
most
harm,
while
mdma,
lsd
and
psilocybin
cause
the
least
harm
of
any
illicit
drug.
A
recent
study
from
the
journal
of
psychopharmacology
showed
that
those
who
use
psychedelics
are
actually
less
likely
to
commit
a
crime
than
the
general
population.
K
Denver
has
decriminalized
psilocybin
and
a
review
panel
by
denver
city
council
reported
quote.
Decriminalizing
psilocybin,
mushrooms
in
the
city
and
county
of
denver
has
not
since
created
any
significant
public
health
or
safety
issue
in
the
city,
as
for
addiction,
studies
have
shown
that
psychedelics
have
anti-addictive
properties
and
can
be
used
to
treat
diseases
such
as
alcohol
addiction.
Furthermore,
due
to
the
high
tolerance
that
occurs
immediately
after
taking
psychedelics,
traditional
psychedelics
such
as
lsd
and
psilocybin
are
extremely
hard,
if
not
impossible,
to
use
every
day
lowering
the
risk
of
abuse.
K
L
Hello,
everyone
and
thank
you
for
taking
the
time
to
listen
to
me
speak
this
evening.
My
name
is
justin
weiss
and
I'll
also
be
speaking
on
the
topic
of
decriminalizing
visionary
plants
and
fungi,
such
as
the
psilocybin
mushrooms,
dmt
containing
plants
and
preparations
such
as
the
ayahuasca
brew
and
mescaline
containing
cacti.
So
for
the
last
seven
years,
I've
worked
for
the
multidisciplinary
association
for
psychedelic
studies,
which
is
a
non-profit
dedicated
to
medicalizing
and
legalizing
psychedelic
drugs
through
the
rescheduling
and
I've
worked
on
the
mdma
ptsd
trials.
L
Therefore,
I've
seen
upfront
the
astounding
power
that
these
drugs
have,
in
addition
to
their
surprising
safety
profiles.
While
I
envision
legalization
of
these
drugs,
the
decriminalization
approach
is
an
incredible
start,
so
decriminalization
would
help
destigmatize
drugs
that
may
have
more
dangerous
legal
ramifications
than
they
do
detriment
to
the
body
and
brain.
So
while
there's
a
vast
amount
of
scientific
validation
behind
the
benefits
and
safety
of
these
substances,
I'm
going
to
focus
on
the
ramifications
of
these
new
findings
themselves.
L
So
the
acceptance
of
psychedelic
substances
is
becoming
a
mainstream
happenstance,
with
major
names
in
science
and
journalism
such
as
michael
pollan,
openly
advocating
for
reconsideration
of
drug
laws.
More
people
are
going
to
be
curious
about
the
current.
The
current
scheduling
of
these
drugs,
which
once
again,
are
right
alongside
life-threatening
substances
in
their
legal
classifications.
L
So
as
cannabis
legalization
has
become
competent
with
progressivism.
I
expect
we'll
see
the
same
case
with
psychedelic
plants
and
fungi.
There
are
a
number
of
cities
that
have
taken
this
approach,
as
was
just
mentioned,
and
as
a
consequence,
many
non-violent
drug
users
who
no
longer
have
the
same
risk
of
their
lives
being
compromised
by
the
legal
ramifications.
L
So
with
increasing
curiosity
around
the
medical
potential
for
so
many
of
these
substances,
we
can
only
expect
to
see
more
people
drawn
to
psychedelic
alternatives
for
the
ailments
that
they
may
help.
Remedy
decriminalization
of
psychedelic
plants
and
fungi
is
a
chance
for
boulder
to
continue
being
a
safe
and
inclusive
place
to
live.
Thank
y'all
so
much.
M
M
Up
to
this
point,
I
had
struggled
all
my
adult
life
to
feel
and
relate
to
the
experiences
of
my
own
life
in
a
good
and
generative
and
connective
way
and
so
unable
to
relate
to
the
experiences
of
others
through
connection
and
compassion,
like
my
brother,
mother,
her
mother
and
a
line
of
ancestors
before
them.
Depression
among
us
was
configured
in
such
a
way
as
rendering
us
powerless
in
the
face
of
inclement
mental
health
to
an
unfortunate
degree.
M
Ayahuasca
changed
that
for
me
and
later
other
plants.
I'm
also
here
today
to
voice
my
desire
for
boulder
to
decriminalize
the
use
of
entheogenic
plants
and
fungi.
I
don't
use
ayahuasca
anymore.
I
received
the
messages
and
the
healing
it
defragmented
and
reconfigured
me
today.
I
not
only
embrace
my
own
life
but
truly
create
from
it
a
fully
engaged
experience
of
joy,
pleasure,
co-creation
and,
frankly
happiness.
M
M
Three
weeks
ago,
I
facilitated
teaching
children
aged
7-13
at
the
boulder
school
of
fine
arts
at
artcam.
Two
days
ago,
I
facilitated
teaching
adults
at
a
rich
street
over
the
course
of
five
days.
I
think
plant
medicines
for
these
connections.
Things
growing
from
the
earth
should
be
sacrament,
not
criminal.
J
I
am
not
seeing
neil
or
noah
at
this
point.
I
do
have
some
names
on
our
participant
list
who
are
not
on
our
registered
list.
So
if
you
are
here,
neil
or
noah
under
a
different
name,
please
reach
out
to
me
in
the
q
a
so
we
can
get
that
changed
and
put
you
back
in
the
line.
So
next
we
would
go
to
tammy,
followed
by
patrick
murphy,.
E
N
Okay,
thank
you.
You
can
hear
me:
okay,
yes,
okay!
Thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
speak
to
you
all
tonight.
My
name
is
tammy
brennan,
I'm
a
licensed
clinical
social
worker
in
the
state
of
colorado.
I've
been
practicing
for
over
23
years
in
health
care,
primarily
primarily
in
hospice
palliative
care
and
grief
and
loss.
N
Over
my
years,
I've
worked
with
hundreds
of
patients
with
major
psychological
needs
that
center
around
anxiety,
depression
as
well
as
emotional
and
existential
distress.
Today,
I'm
hopeful
with
your
support
that
soon
psychedelics
will
become
available
to
treat
and
help
these
patients
and
many
more
that
you've
heard
from
tonight.
N
O
My
name
is
patrick
murphy.
I've
lived
in
boulder
53
years,
just
like
many
of
today's
students.
I
moved
into
the
dorms,
but
that
was
53
years
ago.
I've
seen
lots
of
changes
in
boulder,
but
one
consistently
bad
change
has
been
boulder's.
Failure
to
rationally
attack
climate
change,
starting
with
the
muni
high
aspirational
narratives,
with
lack
of
critical
review
and
irrational
goals
that
were
filled
with
hype,
but
ultimately
hollowed
out
by
lack
of
honest
financial
assessment.
O
The
muni
was
the
start,
and
the
current
climate
in
action
is
the
second
act,
with
many
of
the
same
actors
slide.
Two.
The
current
climate
action
leader
spent
more
time
on
the
muni
than
on
his
actual
position
slide.
2,
please,
as
a
supposedly
separate
climate
and
sustainability
leader
boulder
seems
to
dwell
in
rhetoric
such
as
more
aggressive
goals,
but
little
action
slide.
Two
please.
This
is
sustained
by
a
lack
of
real
financial
accountability
and
transparency.
O
For
example,
it
took
a
couple
of
years
to
get
the
muni
to
reveal
their
real
budget
to
consume
millions
from
other
departments
that
included
jonathan's
department
slide
two,
please
he
and
others
just
went
along
that.
Muni
obsession
has
tainted
the
thinking
of
bolder
climate
action.
To
this
day,
I
watched
last
week's
excel
boulder
advisory
panel
in
true
to
form
only
a
fraction
of
the
panel
attended,
and
the
session
was
more
of
a
listing
of
good
intentions,
lots
of
collaboration
and
very
little
action.
O
This
bureaucratic
heaven
with
lots
of
talk,
replaces
a
true
cost-benefit
analysis
of
any
of
the
alternatives.
This
is
the
opposite
of
what
we
need
thanks
for
that
slide.
Accelerating
goals
is
about
the
best
thing
they
can
do,
but
based
on
the
actual
achievements,
I
can
almost
guarantee
failure
since
time
and
climate
change
are
not
slow,
but
rather
here
now,
when
we're
asked
for
more
climate
action,
money
in
november
be
skeptical
slide.
Three
patrick.
O
I
had
to
say
slide
two
over
and
over
again
to
finish
my
last
sentence:
yeah.
O
P
I'm
a
23-year
resident
of
boulder.
I
encourage
all
open
comment
speakers
to
identify
their
city
of
residence
august.
8Th
was
just
another
normal
monday
in
boulder.
Here's
a
sampling
of
happenings
from
just
that
one
day
at
southern
hills,
middle
school,
a
man,
breaks
windows
and
damages
a
police
car
with
a
12-pound
rock.
He
also
throws
the
rock
at
the
police
officer,
striking
his
knee
and
thigh
seriously,
injuring
him
at
a
bus
stop
near
whole
foods.
P
A
man
holding
a
metal
ray
can
hammer
his
menacing
others
and
breaking
glass
15
minutes
prior
police
had
just
given
him
a
summons
for
a
theft
at
target.
The
same
suspect
had
been
arrested
for
menacing
on
7
23.
He
was
also
arrested
on
5
6
for
exposing
his
genitals
to
a
father
and
his
13
year
old
daughter
on
the
bike
path.
This
is
a
repeat
offender
who
keeps
getting
released
out
to
the
community
to
do
more
harm
on
edison
lane,
amanda
scene
convulsing,
either
from
drugs
or
a
seizure.
P
He
is
violent
towards
the
first
responders
and
must
be
in
restraints
at
the
hospital
he
has
issued
a
felony
summons.
He
was
arrested
again
two
days
later.
This
isn't
even
the
tip
of
the
iceberg
of
the
multiple
crimes
that
happen
here
daily
city.
Council
majority.
Are
you
paying
attention
recently?
One
of
you
implied
that
we
speakers
were
trying
to
make.
It
seem
like
boulder
was
a
scene
out
of
the
movie
escape
from
new
york
in
that
movie
they
made
manhattan
into
a
place
to
incarcerate
criminals.
P
However,
in
boulder
we
mostly
don't
lock
up
criminals,
they
say
life,
imitates
art,
there's
a
great
movie
called
the
town,
there's
a
scene
in
the
movie
where
four
criminals
have
just
committed
a
crime.
A
police
officer
sees
them
and
they
all
lock
eyes
for
a
moment,
then
the
cop
looks
away
and
the
criminals
leave
in
a
getaway
car.
P
I'm
not
saying
our
boulder
police
ignore
crime,
quite
the
opposite,
as
they
are
getting
injured
and
even
killed
to
protect
us,
but
the
majority
of
you
on
city
council
are
looking
away
from
the
crime
that
is
happening
in
boulder.
I
invite
city
council
members
to
join
me
in
a
field
trip
around
boulder.
Thank
you
for
your
kind
attention.
Q
Q
Even
more
so
you
need
to
rethink
your
policy
deeply,
and
you
know
that
on
every
corner,
you're
seeing
homeless
people
camping
out
everywhere,
it
doesn't
matter.
If
you
tell
them
oh
in
48
hours,
you
have
to
leave
because
another
one
and
another
one
and
another
one's
going
to
take
their
place,
and
it
it's
just
endless
and
the
thought
of
sea,
south
and
and
the
impact
on
water
or
water
use.
Q
Q
Q
Q
R
Good
evening
boulder
council,
members
and
staff,
my
name
is
darren
o'connor
and
I'm
a
local
attorney
that
pays
particular
attention
to
police
matters.
I'm
also
the
criminal
justice
committee
chair
for
the
boulder
naacp
branch
I
come
tonight
to
share
concerns
with
policing,
and
especially
the
ongoing
calls
for
more
and
more
funding
for
the
boulder
police
department.
R
Much
of
this
is
for
new
hires
in
support
of
this.
You
are
told
by
community
members
and
by
our
police
chief
that
crime
is
rising,
that
a
thicker,
thin
blue
line,
that
is
more
police,
is
what
stands
between
a
safe
boulder
and
a
boulder
subject
to
terrorist
attacks,
to
white
supremacist
terrorism
and
to
homeless
individuals
taking
over
the
city.
Sadly,
this
narrative
has
landed
with
many
in
our
community,
including
many
on
council,
but
taking
homelessness
as
an
example.
R
The
police
data
on
the
impact
of
more
police
and
city
staff
dedicated
to
this
issue
in
boulder
and,
let's
not
forget,
nearly
three
million
extra
dollars
thrown
at
the
problem,
is
more
people
camping
in
public
spaces.
Policing
cannot
solve
this
problem.
It's
been
tried
here
before
it's
been
tried,
countless
other
places.
R
R
As
for
moore
police,
it
will
not
reduce
the
crime
that
the
police
chief
recently
presented
to
you
via
the
chief's
new
data
analyst.
I
resent
you
a
correlation
study
of
the
police's
own
data
today
that
shows
that
hiring
more
police
will
not
affect
crime
rates.
Stop
the
insanity,
stop
throwing
money
at
the
police
budget
and
start
funding
the
root
causes
of
what
too
many
in
this
town
call
crime
being
poor.
R
S
Hi,
steve
pomerance,
335
17th
street
former
council
member,
I'm
speaking
about
the
failure
of
the
ballot
title
for
the
referendum
to
repeal
ordinance.
8483
next
slide.
Please
all
right,
so
I
can
see
the
slide
system
doesn't
where
we
go.
Okay
problem
with
the
proposed
ballot
title,
the
ballot
title
sure
ordinance,
80
43
regarding
the
annexation
of
cu
south
be
repealed
is
inadequate.
The
problem
is
the
word
regarding
is
way
too
indefinite.
S
S
The
solution
is
very
simple
change
the
ballot
title,
so
it's
specific
should
ordinance
8483,
which
annexes
the
land
known
as
cu
south
and
sets
the
terms
thereof,
be
repealed.
This
language
clearly
distinguishes
a
yes
from
a
no
vote.
Voters
do
not
have
to
look
up
ordinance
8483
and
it
only
adds
seven
words.
S
The
charter
and
colorado
statutes
support
making
this
change
next
slide.
Please
charter
for
section
48,
which
is
the
charter
section
that
covers
titles,
requires
a
clear,
concise
statement.
Descriptive
of
the
substance
of
the
measure,
which
may
be
distinct
from
the
legal
title,
there's
been
an
argument
about
that.
The
the
title
was
plucked
from
the
initiative
which,
by
the
way,
the
sorry
the
petition
which
was
written
by
the
staff
by
the
way
next
slide.
Please,
the
colorado
statutes
state
consider
public
confusion
that
might
be
caused
by
misleading
titles.
S
Avoid
titles
for
which
the
effect
of
a
yes
or
no
vote
would
be
unclear
and
express
the
true
intent
of
the
meaning
of
the
measure.
Next
slide,
please
so
to
meet
the
charter
requirements,
requirements
of
state
law
use
the
title
that
is,
I
suggested
this
will
clearly
show
the
effect
of
a
no
yes
versus
no
vote
if
you
change
it
tonight.
Finally,
but
thank
you
for
your
time
to
get
into
the
county
clerk.
C
B
Brings
open
comment
to
a
close
I'll
turn
to
staff
to
see
if
there
are
any
responses.
T
No
responses
on
my
end,
except
just
say,
for
those
interested
in
a
conversation
about
homelessness.
We're
having
that
on
the
annual
homelessness
update
on
september
1st,
and
I
believe
that
we
have
not
yet
rescheduled
the
munich
and
pd
update,
which
we
usually
talk
about
some
stats
there
on
crime,
and
so
as
soon
as
we
get
that
we
will
be
sharing
that
with
the
public
as
well.
B
I'm
sorry-
and
I
will
note
that
neil
rasmussen
no
muskrat,
did
not
join
back
in
turn
to
council
for
any
responses
they
might
have.
Nicole.
H
Yeah,
I
just
had
a
question
first
off.
I
don't
know
if
anyone
from
our
police
department
is
here
tonight,
but
one
of
the
speakers
mentioned
not
sort
of
keeping
people
in
jails,
who've
had
kind
of
repeat
offenses
and
things
like
that.
My
understanding
was
that
it's
the
county
that
is
responsible
for
that
rather
than
the
city,
and
I
was
just
wondering
if
staff
could
clarify
that,
because
my
understanding
is
that
we
don't
really
have
a
say
in
that
and
it's
the
counties.
T
We
do
not,
I
believe,
have
anyone
from
pd
here
today,
but
I
will
affirm
that
the
jail
system
is
not
within
our
purview.
We
do
not
control
that
that
is
up
to
the
county
as
that
moves
forward,
so
in
the
courts.
So
that
is
not
us.
Okay,
thank.
H
You,
and
so
if
people
have
concerns
about
jailing
and
who,
who
would
be
the
correct
person
at
the
county
to
bring
that
to
would
that
be
the
district
attorney's
office
or
someone
else,
the
sheriff,
I'm
certain.
T
That
they
could
bring
it
to
both,
and
certainly
if
they're
is
someone
specific,
I
wouldn't
know
right
now
exactly
who
they
are,
but
the
sheriff
certainly
would
be
someone
to
speak
to.
I
think
that
would
be
the
right
person
teresa.
I
think
you're
nodding
your
head
with
me.
U
I
Yeah,
I
just
wondered:
we've
had
a
number
of
speakers
over
the
last
few
months
on,
like
psychedelics
and
psilocybin
mushrooms
and
as
someone
who
has
been
a
community
activist
in
the
past.
I
It's
I
think
it's
helpful
to
get
a
little
response
from
the
people
that
you're
advocating
to
so
I
didn't
know
if
it
was
worth
like
a
straw
poll
or
brief
discussion
amongst
ourselves.
Is
that
something
that
that
there
are
five
people
that
do
want
to
add
that
to
the
work
plan,
or
is
there
some
feedback
that
we
can
give
to
petitioners
on
on
ways
that
they
may
move
forward
with
their
goals?
From
our
perspective?
Is
that
it's
like
a
little
discussion
or
anything
we
can
have.
B
Yeah
and
I'll
just
say
that
richardson
thanks
for
for
responding
to
those
points,
but
I
think
without
putting
something
in
the
agenda,
I
wouldn't
do
a
straw
poll,
but
I
would
welcome
people
to
to
speak
to
their
interest
in
moving
something
like
this
forward
tonight.
If
they're
assuming.
I
And
but
but
also
you
know
not,
I
my
goal
would
not
be
to
try
to
inhibit
anyone's
first
amendment
rights
to
speak
to
us.
I
just
think
it's
helpful
if
we
give
give
some
feedback.
U
I
do,
and
I
want
to
correct
some
earlier
advice
that
I
gave
and
it
is
appropriate
under
matters
from
council,
for
you
all
to
take
up
items
that
were
brought
up
under
public
comment,
and
so
that's
certainly
something
that
you
could
do
tonight
in
my
apologies
for
not
having
that
information
at
my
fingertips
fingertips.
Last
time
we
discussed
it.
B
Okay
thanks
thanks
teresa,
the
meeting
may
get
a
little
long
tonight,
so
I
think
we
could
come
back
to
if
we
have
time
but
and
rachel
did
you
want
to
offer
anything
else.
I
Just
I
guess
my
perspective
is
I
I
think
we've
got
a
pretty
full
work
plan,
so
I'm
not
personally
probably
going
to
advocate
for
us
to
add
this
to
our
work
plan,
but
I
think
it's
it's
helpful
to
again
just
just
give
some
feedback
whatever
that
me
may
be
from
colleagues
for
how
people
could
move
this
forward,
whether
that's
a
getting
signatures
for
a
ballot
initiative
or
a
county
measure.
I
Things
like
that.
So
I
don't
know
when
the
appropriate
time
to
discuss
it
is,
but
I
feel
like
people
are
doing
a
lot
of
work
and
and
it's
respectful
of
us
to
respond
to
that.
B
Yeah,
I
think
it's
a
great
point,
so
we
can
see
if
we
have
10
minutes
to
maybe
talk
about
it
tonight
or
perhaps
in
another
business
meeting
at
times.
Sometimes,
if
we
do
not-
and
people
have
quick
thoughts
for
the
moment
feel
free
to
offer
them,
but
we
probably
don't
want
to
take
10
or
15
minutes,
plus
right
now
on
top
of
mark
and
then
tear.
V
Yeah
I
mean
we
have
a
pretty
full
agenda.
I'm
not
sure
that
that
I
want
to
veer
off
and
and
get
heavily
into
the
area
of
psychedelics.
But
what
I
would
like
to
understand
is
what
the
state
of
sciences
you
know.
We
have
references
from
speakers
that
some
studies
have
shown.
I
don't
know
which
studies
those
are.
I
don't
know
how
many
there
are.
Are
there
countervailing
studies?
V
It
would
be
helpful
to
me
if
somebody
could
tell
us
a
little
bit
more
about
where
the
state
of
the
medical
profession
is
with
respect
to
this,
and
is
this
a
does
this
represent?
You
know
the
majority
opinion
among
physicians
and
scientists,
or
is
it
simply
a
a
fringe
opinion
I
have
no
way
of
knowing,
but
it
would
be
nice
if
we
did
know.
My
second
comment
is:
what
is
the
appropriate
time
to
discuss
mr
pomeranz's
comments
about
the
referendum
or
the
language
of
the
referendum.
B
So
what
I
might
say
is
so
right
after
the
consent
agenda,
we'll
be
doing
the
continued
public
hearing
on
that
topic.
So
how
about
we
have
the
full
discussion
matter
at
that
time,
rather
than
the
response
to
open
comment.
If
that's
right.
V
W
W
X
I
was
just
gonna
make
a
request
if,
if
and
when
we
get
to
it,
I
agree-
we
don't
have
time
tonight
and-
and
we
may
not
have
time
on
this-
this
council's
we're
planning
this
year,
but
if,
even
when
we
have
that
discussion,
two
two
pieces
of
information
that
would
be
helpful
for
me.
I
I
have
a
dim
recollection
that
may
be
incorrect,
that
there's
some
state
ballot
measures
on
the
subject,
it'd
be
nice
to
know
from
the
state
attorney's
office.
X
What
those
are,
and
maybe
some
of
the
requests
that
are
being
made
of
us
might
be
made
moved
by
whatever
that
result
of
that
voting
might
be.
The
second
is,
is,
I
know,
there's
there's
been
some
requests
for
decriminalization.
F
Yeah
I'd
support,
bringing
up
this
under
council
matters
either
tonight
or
in
another
meeting.
I
think,
similarly
to
what
rachel
said,
I
would
really
appreciate
sort
of
understanding
what
kind
of
lift
this
would
be
from
staff
and
what
sort
of
the
options
are.
So
you
know
if
it's
not
taken
as
a
council
priority,
what
options
the
petition.
You
know
what
other
options
there
might
be
for
this
to
be
brought
forward
by
the
community.
T
To
that
end,
I
was
just
thinking
and
reminded
that
this
would
require
the
kind
of
research
that
you're
asking
both
from
the
decriminalization
aspect,
and
what
the
state
of
medical
research
is.
What
it
is
nationally
would
likely
require
a
nod
of
three
to
pursue
this
kind
of
research
for
your
handbook.
So,
as
you
are
thinking
about
it,
whenever
the
topic
comes
up,
just
know
that
we
will
likely
need
to
know
that
there
are
folks
in
agreement
that
we
actually
invest
some
time
and
resources
into
this.
B
Yeah
and
I'll
call
myself,
because
I
think,
there's
probably
the
threshold
question
about
whether
resources
should
be
devoted
to
getting
some
of
these
answers,
and-
and
I
will
note,
as
bob
brought
out
about
about
the
ballot
measure,
my
understanding
is
that
there
is
a
ballot
measure
that
is
qualified
for
the
statewide
ballot.
B
That
would
set
up
kind
of
healing
centers.
That
would
be
allowed
to
dis,
dispense,
psilocybin,
but
also
my
understanding
is.
It
would
also
decriminalize
those
substances
statewide.
So
it
feels
like
in
just
three
months
here
we're
going
to
see
whether
this
is
effectively
done
right
at
the
state
level.
So
I
think,
that's
very
relevant
personally
all
right,
if
that's
good
enough
for
that
topic
or
the
any
others
from
open
comment.
B
We
can
move
on
on
that
and
we'll
we'll
see
when
we
can
squeeze
in
a
another
touch
on
a
short
touch
on
this
and
under
matters
tonight
or
another
businessman.
B
Okay,
that
brings
us
to
our
consent
agenda.
I
believe.
D
F
Yeah
so
as
I
I
sent
out
a
hotline,
and
I
would
like
to
recommend
adopting
the
alternative
language
that
I
emailed
out
for
option.
I,
in
regards
to
our
in-person
hybrid
meeting
setup.
B
I
think
it's
a
short
amendment,
so
do
you
mind
just
reading
out
what
that
change
would
be
so
everybody's
familiar
with
what
you're
talking
about.
C
F
Y
Y
So
there
was
a
there
was
an
alternate
ordinance
8545
that
was
attached
to
the
hotline.
That
includes
this
new
language
and
that's
the
one.
I
think
that
you
want
to
pass.
H
B
Okay
motion:
a
second
mark:
did
you
want
to
speak
to
this.
Y
B
All
right
any
further
discussion
seeing
none.
Let's
do
a
roll
call
vote
here
on
the
consent
agenda
is
amended.
X
E
F
F
U
W
D
B
D
All
right,
sir,
we
have
item
number
five
on
tonight's
agenda,
which
is
our
public
hearings.
5A
is
the
continued
second
reading
of
the
following
ballot
items.
We
have
ordinance
8534,
which
is
related
to
the
annexation
referendum
of
cu,
south
8539,
which
is
related
to
the
library,
district
formation
and
changes
to
our
charter.
If
that
district
is
formed,
8540
is
related
to
council
candidates
and
how
candidates
can
run
in
the
election.
D
Z
Yes,
I
am
thank
you,
mayor
and
good
evening
council.
I
do
have
slides
that
sometimes
makes
this
easier
and
you
can
go
ahead.
The
second
slide,
thank
you.
Here's
a
list
of
the
ordinances
that
you
had
public
hearing
on
last
week
and
some
discussion
and
all
of
the
ordinances
were
continued
until
tonight,
ordinance
8534
about
the
referendum
on
cu
south
in
the
hotline
packet
you
received
section.
Five,
the
safety
clause
was
changed,
as
you
requested.
Z
8539
is
a
repeal
of
the
charter
library
provisions
that
does
not
have
any
change,
and
so
we'll
just
continue
it
tonight,
so
that
all
the
ballot
measures
will
be
finally
adopted
or
finally
considered
and
and
potentially
adopted.
On
september.
1St
8540
is
clarifying
the
candidate
provisions
of
the
charter
and
that
again
has
no
changes.
Z
8546
is
even
near
candidate
elections,
and
I
have
a
slide
for
that
and
8542
is
the
climate
tax
and
debt
authorization
next
slide,
please,
the
with
respect
to
8534
is
a
referendum
on
cu.
South
august
11
council
requested
that
section
5
the
safety
clause,
be
changed
to
say
that
the
that
this
was
adopted
pursuant
to
the
constitution
and
the
charter.
Z
Rather
than
as
necessary
for
the
safety
of
the
city
and
for
ordinance,
five,
four
six
about
even
year
elections,
the
language
that
we
added,
that
council
requested
be
added
the
to
the
ballot
language
that
the
november
election
date
in
2026
and
thereafter
should
be
the
same
date
as
the
state
ballot
issue.
Election
nicole
raised
a
good
point
that
we
have
ballot
issue
elections
every
year
and
a
better
phrasing
of
that
would
be
to
say
the
same
date
as
the
general
state
election.
Z
Z
This
is
amendments
to
the
climate
tax
that
are
recommended
by
staff.
After
we
looked
at
it
more
carefully
went
through
thought
that
there
were
some
easier,
more
clear
ways
that
things
could
have
been
worded
so,
and
there
was
a
mistake
in
that
admissions
was
not
plural.
Z
In
the
code
language,
we
eliminated
the
restriction
on
spending
for
greenhouse
gas
emission
targets
to
to
make
it
as
broad
as
all
the
climate
goals
of
the
city.
Z
We
added
two
new
categories
in
the
list
of
use
of
funds
that
are
consistent
with
the
ballot
issue
that
were
not
in
the
original
ordinances
drafted
and
gave
the
complete
definition
of
cpi,
rather
than
the
abbreviation
in
the
code
next
slide.
Please.
Z
B
Thanks
so
much
for
that
kathy
I'll
just
get
us
started.
There
was
some
interest,
I
think,
from
multiple
council
members
in
addressing
the
the
questions
that
were
raised
by
steve
pomerance
and
the
open
comment,
testimony
and
and
I'll
just
add
to
that.
I
think,
because
you
all
sent
an
email
over
to
him
or
some
other
folks
who
had
similar
concerns.
Z
Are
that
the
that
the
charter
language
be
clear
and
concise
and
not
use
arguments
for
against,
and
we
have
interpreted
that
as
also
being
complete,
which
it's
hard
to
be
clear
and
concise
when
you're
abbreviating,
you
know,
I
forget
how
long
the
cu
south
annexation
ordinance
is,
but
one
of
the
problems
with
the
change
to
the
language
that
was
recommended
by
the
committee
is
it
says
that
the
ordinance
just
annexes
the
cu
south
property,
when
the
ordinance
does
a
whole
lot
more
than
just
annex
the
property,
and
so
why
that
we
went
with
the
staff
recommended
language
that
it's
regarding
the
annexation
of
that
property.
Z
The
other
thing
I
think
is
important
to
know
is
that
when
mr
pomerance
was
referring
to
this,
he
was
talking
about
the
staff
that
it
was
staff's
wording
for
the
initiative.
There
was
an
earlier
initiative,
but
what's
on
the
ballot,
now
is
a
referendum,
and
staff
does
not
drop
that
they
can
make
comments,
but
they,
the
committee,
does
not
have
to
pay
attention
to
the
comments,
and
I
frankly
don't
know
if
there
were
comments
even
given
to
the
committee
on
that
one.
Z
The
other
thing
is
in
the
language
originally
requested,
which
is
different
than
what
mr
promise
requested
tonight.
There
was
a
summary
of
what
would
happen
if
the
ordinance
was
repealed.
Z
That
is
different
than
what
section
50
of
the
charter
says
if
the
ordinance
is
repealed,
so
mainly
because
it's
the
language,
that's
in
the
referendum
petition
itself,
that
is
in
the
ordinance,
is
the
reason
that
we're
recommending
that
that
the
council
keep
it
that
way
and
also
to
make
sure
that
we
aren't
misleading
the
voters
into
thinking
that
the
ordinance
only
annexes
the
property
it
does
more
than
just
annex
the
property.
Z
B
We'll
just
finish
our
questions
and
then
get
the
comments
here.
Okay,
any
other
questions
rachel.
I
I
guess
just
want
to
make
sure
I'm
following
kathy's
advice
here
or
feedback.
Would
you
say
that
you
know
to
to
mark's
point
that
we
can
change
language?
You
just
said
something
about.
I
think
risky
is
is
the
least
risky
route
to
keep
the
language
that
the
petitioners
had
on
their
on
their
petition
and
I'm,
I
guess
I'm
wondering
like
if
I
signed
a
petition
and
that
language
is
in
there
and
then
we
change
it.
I
That's
maybe
an
an
odd
thing
for
us
to
do
and
not
in
keeping
with
what
people
thought
they
were
signing.
Z
I
W
But
isn't
what
steve's
saying
that
he
wants
that's
more
important
to
him
than
risk
changing
about
language?
So
I
I
would
think
that,
and
I
guess
this
is
a
comment
I
don't
know
if
it's
a
question
or
comment,
but
if
I
can't
understand
a
ballot
question,
that's
really
frustrating
for
me
when
I'm
as
a
voter.
So
I
think
that
is
super
important.
Z
It
is
your
question:
is
it
a
bigger
risk
that
voters
won't
understand?
Well,
I'm
not.
I
don't
believe
that
what
has
been
proposed
by
the
committee
is
more
clear.
That's
what's
in
the
ordinance
that
we've
given
you,
in
fact,
I
think
it's
misleading
one.
Two.
If
you
think
that
the
ordinance
language
is
I'm
sorry,
the
ballot
language
is
unclear.
You
absolutely
can
change
that.
I
would
recommend
changing
it
in
a
way.
That's
clear
and
concise
and
accurately
reflects
the
ordinance
rather
than
just
takes
pieces
of
it.
C
X
Thanks,
cathy,
that's
a
great
segue
into
my
follow
my
question.
So
if
we,
if
we
were
to
go
down
the
path
which
sounds
like
you're
recommending,
we
don't,
but
if,
if
a
majority
in
council
wanted
to
go
down
this
path
of
changing
the
language
different
from
what
was
on
the
petition
pages,
it
sounds
like
you're
recommending
that
if
we're
going
to
go
down
that
path,
we
would
need
to
kind
of
enumerate
invalid
title,
not
only
the
annexation,
but
all
the
other
things
that
that
ordinance
did.
X
Z
B
V
This
is
coming
from
somebody
who
does
not
support
repealing
the
ordinance,
and
I
do
not
support
the
referendum
and
will
certainly
vote
against
it
in
november,
but
I
do
think
there
is
a
certain
lack
of
clarity
to
the
language
that
we're
using.
I
think
the
language
proposed
by
mr
pomerantz
gets
more
to
the
heart
of
the
matter,
and
I
don't
know
that
we
need
to
go
down
each
and
every
provision.
I
wouldn't
have
a
problem
with
that
as
well.
V
If
we
want
to
show
the
community
all
the
things
that
they
will
be
repealing,
if,
if
they,
if
they
pass
this
referendum,
but
as
again
coming
from
somebody
who
does
not
favor
this
referendum
or
the
repeal
of
what
we
have
done,
I
am
also
not
afraid
of
clarity
and
of
you
know,
being
upfront
and
transparent
to
our
community.
I
don't
think
that
the
more
we
are
transparent,
the
the
greater
our
risks
are
of
of
defeat.
V
With
respect
to
this,
so
I
I
would
actually
urge
that
we
be
a
little
more
detailed
and
transparent
than
we
are,
because
I
think
the
more
that
we
do,
that
the
greater
our
chances
are
of
being
successful
in
november,
as
opposed
to
this
rather
vague.
V
You
know
regarding
language,
which
I
just
don't
think
gets
to
the
heart
of
the
matter,
and
that's
just
you
know
my
two
cents
on
it.
So
thank
you.
I
I
guess
my
concern
is
you
know
the
the
petitioners
chose
that
language
and,
as
I
understand
it,
put
it
on
every
page
of
you
know
the
the
petition
that
they
had
people
sign
and
if
we
change
that
and
they
you
know,
aren't
successful
in
their
referendum,
then
then
I
think
anybody
who
signed
that
petition
can
say.
City
council
put
something
on
that's
different
than
what
we
signed.
It
was
changed.
It
wasn't
what
we
wanted.
I
So
I
I
think
if
there's,
if,
if
there's
risk
to
us
changing
the
language,
I
would
not
want
to
do
anything
that
that
could
could
result
in
in
problems
for
saving
lives
through
flood
mitigation
being
accomplished.
So
that's
my
concern,
so
I
would
you
know,
I
understand
the
petitioners.
I
I
AA
Thanks
aaron,
I
guess
a
couple
things
one.
I
think
it's
a
little
concerning
that
if
this
was
the
language
that
was
on
each
of
the
signature
pages
that
went
out
to
people
to
sign
it,
and
yet
the
people
that
put
this
together
are
saying
that
that
itself
is
ambiguous
language.
It
maybe
calls
into
question
what
was
being
signed
by
the
residents
themselves
and
the
ambiguity
of
that
language
at
the
heart
of
it,
so
that
sort
of
throws
a
lot
up
in
the
air.
AA
In
that
capacity
begs
a
lot
to
question
the,
but
I
would
say
in
terms
of
where
to
go
over
here.
I
would
either
stick
with
the
language
we
have
or
or
really.
If
we're
gonna
go
down
the
full
path
of
transparency,
then
we
need
to.
You
know:
go
down
that
laundry
list,
like
bob
said
of
stating
everything.
That's
gonna
be
repealed,
that's
full
transparency,
and,
if
that's
what
they
want,
then
I
don't
think
we
can
sort
of
get
some
transparency
or
clarity.
AA
W
Sure
yep,
I
agree
with
mark
that
I
wish
it
was.
I
agree
that
it
should
be
more
transparent,
but
I
am
concerned
about
timing
because
it
takes
us
an
awful
long
time
to
find
the
right
language
here
on
this
council,
never
mind
agreeing
to
new
language.
B
Calling
myself
so
I
find
particularly
persuasive
that
it's
the
the
language
that
was
in
the
petition
itself,
so
it
feels
fundamentally
like
we
should
stick
with
that
and
then
I
also,
although
secondarily
find
persuasive,
that
that
it
is
not
fully
accurate
to
say
that
it
is
reversing
the
annexation
because
of
all
the
other
things
that
that
ordinance
does.
So.
We
appreciate
the
chance
to
talk
this
through,
but
I
feel
like
we
really
should
put
on
the
ballot.
What
was
in
what
people
were
citing
during
the
petition
signing
process?
I
Just
real
quick
want
to
add
you
know
in
terms
of
going
into
the
laundry
list
I
mean
had
that
been
included
in
the
petitioner's
language.
I
I
also
wish
it
were.
You
know
more
ideal
language,
but
in
that
it
wasn't,
you
know
if
there's
risk
to
changing
it.
That
also
seems
like
an
additional
layer
of
risk
for
we're
massively
changing
it
at
that
point.
So
if
we're,
if
we're
worried
about
like
clarifying
with
three
words,
I
would
think
300
words
would
be
even
more
risky.
B
So
if
people
are
all
right
for
how
about
a
quick
straw
poll
on
who
would
prefer
to
stick
with
the
existing
language,
let's
just
phrase
it
that
way
and
see
how
the
answer
get
there
all
right,
we
gotta,
we
got
a
strong
majority
on
that.
One,
nicole
did
sorry.
Did
you
hop
in
there.
H
No,
I'm
gonna
stay
out
of
this
one.
Just
given
my
employment,
let's
see
thanks
for
clarifying.
B
That,
okay,
so
it
looks
like
we,
we've
got
a
majority
who
want
to
stick
with
the
existing
language.
Thanks
for
that
discussion,
are
there
any
other
questions
or
comments
on
any
of
the
other
items
that
we're
going
to
move
forward
here
with
that.
AA
Thanks
aaron,
with
regards
to
8546,
I
had
sent
a
sent
an
email
to
kathy
about
just
a
switching
of
words,
since
we're
already
gonna
be
modifying
that
it
was
with
regards
to
really
being
again
for
talking
about
clarity
separating
the
true
ask
of.
Are
we
moving
to
even
your
elections
and
separating
the
mechanics
in
the
language
and
and
really
the
easiest
way
to
do?
AA
That
is
to
just
take,
at
the
very
end,
to
implement
the
transition
and
just
move
that
up
to
where
we
actually
talk
about
what
that
transition
is,
and
so
it
would
basically
just
read.
AA
You
know
shallow
sections:
5,
14,
22,
the
voter
home
rule
charter,
be
amended
to
change
the
regular
municipal
election
date
to
even
number
years
on
the
same
date
as
the
well,
as
we
said,
general
state
ballot
election,
or
at
least
language
that
was
recommended
by
kaffi,
beginning
november
2026
election
date
and
to
implement
the
transition,
reduce
the
term
of
the
council
members.
AA
So
it
allows
the
implementation
to
break
that
from
what
the
ask
is
of
even
year
versus
the
mechanics
of
how
we
get
there.
So
I
think
it's
the
cleaner
way
for
the
reader
and
voters
to
understand
exactly
what
part
is
even
year,
the
ask
versus
the
mechanics
of
how
we
get
there.
So
I
just
wanted
to
recommend
that,
since
we're
already
modifying
this
ordinance,
I
think
it
cleans
it
up
a
little
bit
better.
Z
I'm
absolutely
fine
with
that
change.
Matt
did
send
the
the
the
request
earlier,
which
I
very
much
appreciate,
since
it's
not
a
legal
issue,
it's
totally
up
to
you
guys
it's
it's
moving
a
phrase
from
the
beginning
of
what
it's
modifying,
rather
than
afterwards,
which
makes
sense.
H
Yeah,
I
think
it's
a
nice
change
just
for
clarity
in
terms
of
reading
through
the
measure
and
my
my
only
question
was
legally.
Is
it?
Okay
sounds
like
yes,
it
is
so
I
I
would
be
in
support
of
that
change,
as
well
as
just
the
the
change
that
I
mentioned
via
hotline.
B
Z
B
Z
Exactly
and
that
amendment
refers
to
changing
the
safety
clause
in
section
five
of
this
ordinance
that
you're
putting
it
on
the
ballot
not
for
the
health,
wealth
or
health
safety
and
welfare,
but
because
it's
required
by
the
constitution
and
the
charter.
B
I
Okay,
I
make
a
motion
to
amend.
I
I
mean
do
I
just
need
to
read
this
slide
that
we're
wearing.
I
make
a
motion
to
amend
and
pass
ordinance
8534
submitting
to
the
registered
electors
of
the
city
of
boulder
at
the
special
municipal,
coordinated
election
to
be
held
on
tuesday
november
8
2022,
the
question
of
whether
to
repeal
ordinance,
84
83
regarding
the
annexation
of
cu
south,
specifying
the
form
of
the
ballot
and
other
election
procedures
and
setting
forth
related
details.
E
E
D
X
Z
This
is
one
of
the
the
motions
or
the
ballot
issues
that
you
did
not
have.
Any
change
to
the
motion
was
to
last
week
on
august.
11Th
was
to
continue
everything
to
keep
these
on
the
same
date.
We're
asking
you
to
approve
this
one
and
the
next
one,
just
as
a
continuation
to
september
first
or
to
the
second
reading.
F
I
motioned
to
continue
ordinance
8539
submitting
to
the
registered
electors
of
the
city
of
boulder
at
the
special
municipal,
coordinated
election
to
be
held
tuesday
november
8th
2022,
a
question
of
whether
to
amend
section,
65,
102
and
130,
and
repeal
sections
69,
132,
133
and
134
from
the
boulder
home
rule
charter.
If
the
initiative
to
create
the
lib
create
a
library
district
on
the
boulder
county
ballot
is
approved
at
this
election,
specifying
the
form
of
the
ballot
and
other
election
procedures
and
setting
forth
related
details.
G
Motion
to
continue
ordinance,
8540
submitting
to
the
registered
electors
of
the
city
of
boulder
at
the
special
municipal,
coordinated
election
to
be
held
on
tuesday
november
8
2022.
The
question
of
whether
to
amend
section,
5
and
9
of
the
boulder
home
rule
charter
to
prohibit
running
for
more
than
one
office
at
an
election.
G
Z
This
one
is
one
that
will
be
a
little
bit.
We
have
two
amendments
to
this,
so
we
have
the
motion
with
the
amendments
to
move
the
language
to
implement
the
transition
up
in
the
ballot
issue
and
to
change
the
language
from
the
general
state
or
the
state
general
election
to
I'm
sorry
to
change
the
language
from
the
state
ballot
issue
election
to
the
state
general
election.
B
Z
H
H
Oh
beginner,
sorry,
I
already
messed
it
up.
Okay,
two
even-numbered
years
on
the
same
date
as
the
state
general
election
beginning
with
the
november
2026
election
date
and
to
implement
the
transition,
reduce
the
term
of
the
council,
members
elected
in
2023
and
2025
to
three
years
and
increase
the
term
of
the
mayor,
elected
in
2023
to
three
years,
specifying
the
form
of
the
ballot
and
other
election
procedures
and
setting
forth
related
details.
Z
If
it's
not
it's
not,
I
do
have
it
up.
If
somebody
can
give
me
permission
to
share
my
screen
and
what
I
did
is
just
the
amendment
which
I
believe
that
nicole
covered.
I
Z
Absolutely
thanks:
I'm
yeah,
oh
okay,
I'm
sorry
I
needed
to
push
another
button.
Otherwise
you're
gonna
see
my
stuff
from
all
the
work,
the
workshop.
I'm
doing
so
I
think
you
see
that
language.
This
is
just
the
amendment
and
I
think
that
nicole
mentioned
these
both,
but
is
that
accurate
for
your
motion.
H
B
E
F
H
Whiner
no.
D
X
V
F
Q
E
B
Wonderful:
okay,
thanks
everyone
kathy
a
huge
thank
you
for
joining
us
from
your
vacation
and
helping
us
get
through
this
really
appreciate
it.
D
D
So
a
consideration
of
a
motion
to
adopt
resolution.
1314
is
our
first
item
and
that
is
setting
fourth
findings
of
facts
and
conclusions
regarding
the
annexation
of
a
1.087
acre
property,
and
we
have
the
second
reading
and
consideration
of
a
motion
to
adopt
ordinance,
8522
annexing
to
the
city
of
boulder,
a
1.087
acre
property
with
an
initial
zoning
designation
of
residential
medium
dash,
3
rm3,
as
described
in
chapter
9-5
modular
zone
systems.
Brc
1981
amending
the
zoning
district
map
forming
a
part
of
said
chapter
to
include
the
property
in
the
above
mentioned.
AB
Okay,
I'm
hoping
you're
seeing
the
presentation
all
right
so
as
alicia
described
tonight,
I'm
presenting
an
application
for
the
annexation
of
an
approximately
one
acre
site
located
at
302
and
334
arapaho
avenue,
with
an
initial
zoning
designation
of
residential
medium.
Three,
the
application
I
apologize.
Could
you
introduce
yourself
to
I'm
sorry,
I
failed
too,
so
I
am
sloan
walbert,
I'm
in
the
planning
department
and
I'm
the
case
manager
on
this
application.
AB
So
the
applicant
has
requested
annexation
in
order
to
develop
the
site
within
the
city,
so
just
to
provide
some
history.
On
june
21st
council
considered
the
annexation
petition
for
the
annexation
and
also
first
reading
of
ordinance
8522
tonight
council
is
considering
second
reading
of
the
annexation
ordinance
and
a
public
hearing
is
required
for
this
type
of
annexation.
AB
In
response
to
the
public
notice,
staff
received
some
inquiries
from
neighboring
property
owners,
but
all
of
the
formal
feedback
was
sent
directly
to
council.
You
may
hear
from
some
of
those
members
of
the
public
tonight
planning
board
reviewed
the
proposed
annexation
and
the
initial
zoning
on
may
26th.
AB
AB
The
comprehensive
plan
states
that
the
city
will
annex
land
with
significant
development
or
redevelopment
potential
only
if
the
annexation
provides
a
special
opportunity
to
the
city
or
a
community
benefit,
and
then,
lastly,
when
is
it
when
a
property
is
annexed,
zoning
is
established
according
to
the
land
use
designation
on
the
land
use
map
of
the
comprehensive
plan,
and
it's
also
needs
to
be
consistent
with
existing
development
patterns
and
just
as
a
note,
the
property
is
not
required
to
complete
concept,
plan
or
site
review,
because
it
doesn't
meet
the
minimum
thresholds.
AB
AB
AB
AB
AB
The
applicant
is
requesting
residential
medium
3
zoning
staff
estimates
that
the
zoning
would
allow
up
to
13
units
on
the
site
and,
as
you
can
see
in
this
bird's
eye
view,
the
site
sits
on
the
northern
flank
of
flagstaff
mountain.
The
site
is
constrained
by
some
steep
slopes,
the
ditch
buffer
and
a
number
of
mature
trees
on
the
south
end
of
the
site.
AB
These
homes
are
connected
to
city,
water
and
sewer
services
through
an
out-of-city
permit,
and
the
southern
parcel
at
302
arapahoe
contains
a
single-family
home
originally
constructed
in
circa
1900,
with
some
additions
that
have
been
made.
Since
then,
this
property
is
accessed
from
an
unimproved
access
road
that
is
considered
boulder
county
right
of
way.
AB
AB
A
historic
survey
was
submitted
by
the
applicant,
which
found
that
this
structure
lacks
architectural
integrity
and
that
there's
no
evidence
that
it
was
associated
with
any
important
historic
event,
so
the
annexation
agreement
is
written
to
anticipate
future
development
of
the
property.
Some
of
those
provisions
include
conveyance
of
a
ditch
easement
for
the
anderson,
ditch
dedication
of
right-of-way
along
arapahoe
avenue,
construction
of
a
six
foot
wide
detached
sidewalk,
also
along
arapahoe
payment
of
plant
investment
fees.
AB
AB
So,
as
I
mentioned,
development
potential
exists
under
the
proposed
zoning
in
order
to
meet
that
requirement
to
provide
a
special
opportunity
or
benefit
to
the
city.
The
applicant
is
proposing
to
construct
affordable
housing
on
site.
The
agreement
requires
that
all
units
constructed
are
for
sale
units.
50
percent
of
the
new
units
are
deed,
restricted,
affordable
units.
I
would
just
note
that
the
applicant
receives
a
credit
for
the
four
existing
homes.
AB
AB
The
site
meets
the
required
continuity
to
the
city,
there's
also
a
community
interest
to
annex
the
property
and
the
area
is
capable
of
being
integrated
into
the
city
in
terms
of
policies
on
annexation.
The
site
may
be
considered
due
to
its
designation
as
an
area.
2
property
and
staff
finds
that
the
proposed,
affordable
housing
provided
at
time
of
redevelopment
satisfies
that
requirement
for
community
benefit.
AB
B
B
X
Either
way,
thanks
for
this
one,
that
was
very
helpful.
So
I
I
understand
that
the
zoning
that
we
designate
here
will
have
some
impact
on
what
can
be
built
here.
I
also
understand
that
the
zoning
that
we
designate
must
be
consistent
with
the
comp
plan,
the
boulder
valley,
comprehensive
plan,
and
I
also
understand
that
we
cannot
amend
the
bullet
comprehensive
plan.
I
think
I
heard
you
mention
at
the
very
end
there
of
your
presentation
that
there's
actually
three
choices
of
zoning
rm3
is
what's
being
recommended.
X
I
think,
was
unanimously
approved
by
the
by
the
planning
board.
Could
you
mention
briefly
the
two
other
zoning
district
possibilities
and
why
staff
recommends
the
rm3,
as
opposed
to
the
other
two.
AB
X
The
number
of
units
that
could
be
placed
there
would
be
up
to
13
in
either
instance
and
so
you're
recommending
rm3
is
that
right.
X
I
Thanks
erin
thanks
sloane.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
I
understood
what
happened
with
the
access
road
issue.
The
planning
board
unanimously
recommended
that
we
kind
of
see
to
and
make
sure
that
there
was,
I
think,
a
safe
public
access
in
perpetuity.
I
So
that
was
a
motion
that
looks
like
it
was
unanimous
and
then
the
staff
notes
say
that
it's
gonna
be
sort
of
unrelated
to
this
annexation.
So
I
don't
know
how
we
respond
to
planning
boards
motion
or
if
we
have
to
go
back
to
them
and
say
it
doesn't
work
or
how
that
works,
and
if
it's,
if
I'm
reading
that
correctly,
that
we
can't
do
what
they
best.
AB
AB
But
we
tried
to
include
a
lot
of
detail
about
what
the
current
status
is
and
how
you
know
the
city
is
limited
and
what
we
could
do
at
this
point,
but
I
don't
think,
there's
a
requirement
to
communicate
anything
back
to
planning
board.
I
think
they
just
had
a
strong
desire
to
bring
that
up
as
a
concern.
I
Okay,
I
mean
because
the
the
language
of
the
motion
was
like
ensure
that
public
access
remains,
and
I
don't
so.
It
seemed
like
more
than
have
a
look
at
it,
but
it
sounds
like
we
can't
do
more
so
to
make
sure
that
we
search
tied
that
up
with
a
bow.
V
Well,
first,
thank
you,
sloan.
That
was
a
very
helpful
and
clear
presentation
and
I
appreciate
it
in
reading
the
the
staff
memo
and
I
don't
mean
to
put
you
on
the
spot,
but
there
was
one
thing
that
was
making
my
head
explode
on
on
page
16.
It
says
the
proposed
agreement
would
limit
newly
constructed
market
rate
units
to
3
300
square
feet
of
floor
area
and
require
those
units
to
be
for
sale
in
furtherance
of
the
goals
of
the
middle
income.
V
AB
Well,
I'm
not
sure
I'm
able
to
speak
to
the
history
of
the
middle
income
housing
strategy.
I
think
michelle
allen
may
be
on
the
call
and
be
able
to
provide
that
background.
AC
Hello,
michelle
allen,
housing
and
human
services,
I'm
the
inclusionary
housing
program
manager,
and
I
also
do
the
negotiations
for
affordable
housing
and
annexations
so
mark.
I
think
you're
right.
I
think
that
that's
a
bit
of
a
I
think
it
kind
of
slipped
in
there.
The
the
the
size
restriction
on
the
home
is
intended
to
make
sure
that
very,
very
large
homes
are
not
built
on
the
market
market
homes.
AC
V
I
understand
for
the
smaller
units,
but
but
the
the
the
limitation
to
3
300
feet
really
has
no
nexus
to
enhancing
middle
income
housing.
It's
whether
whether
the
houses
are
3,
300
or
4,
500
that
all
that's
pretty
expensive.
That's
not!
What's
going
to
enhance
middle-income
housing,
it
will
be
the
the
few
units
that
we
get
as
a
result
of
this
annexation.
B
Thanks
mark
seeing
no
other
questions,
then
we
can
move
to
the
public
hearing
and
I
believe
we
have
one
person
signed
up.
Who
is
familiar
with
our
rules
and
procedures.
So
I
don't
think
we
need
to
redo
the
quorum
language,
so
I've
got
lynn
siegel
as
speaker
number
one,
and
then
you
get
three
minutes.
Q
Yeah,
this
is
on
the
annexation.
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
I
I
will
just
make
a
motion
to
annex
302
and
334
arapaho.
B
AE
I'll
just
add
that
you
know
the
comp
plan
and,
and
our
policies
are
to
try
to
acquire
some
of
these
frames,
bring
some
of
these
friends
properties
in.
I
think
this
is
a
good
opportunity
to
do
that.
We
had
a
worked
very
well
with
staff
worked
very
well
with
michelle
to
reach
agreements
on
this.
We
had
a
pretty
you
know
fairly.
AE
We
had
a
very
good
meeting
with
planning
board
and
walked
through
the
details.
So
unless
you
have
any
specific
questions
I
can
answer,
I
don't
think
I
have
any
more
to
add.
AE
B
And
so,
and
I
believe
we've
got.
B
I
I
just
didn't
have
the
right
page
up
okay,
so
I
will
make
a
motion
to
adapt
resolution
1314,
setting
forth
findings
of
fact
and
conclusions
regarding
the
annexation
of
a
1.087
acres
of
land
generally
located
at
302
and
334
arapahoe
avenue,
and
make
a
motion
to
adopt
ordinance,
8522
annexing
approximately
1080,
no
1.087,
that's
a
period,
another
comma
1.087
acres
of
land
generally
located
at
302
and
334
arapahoe
avenue,
with
an
initial
zoning
designation
of
residential,
medium
3
or
rm3,
as
described
in
chapter
9-5
modular
zone
system
of
brc
1981.
I
E
V
I
actually
you
had.
I
had
a
question
for
the
applicant
and
you
sort
of
failed
to
see
my
hand
up.
Is
that
still
possible
yeah.
V
Okay,
the
annexation
agreement
provides
that
the
affordable
units
or
middle
income
units
will
be
no
less
than
1350
square
feet.
V
Are
you
intending
to
adhere
to
that
minimum
standard,
or
will
any
of
the
units
be
a
little
more
a
little
larger,
a
little
more
comfortable.
AE
Well,
I
don't
think
we're
that
far
along
okay
and
I'm
planning
on
this
the,
but
I
would
like
to
say
that
that
you
know
the
affordable
housing
group
has
a
fairly
detailed
chart.
That
says
you
know
if
you
get
two
bathrooms,
you
can
charge
this.
You
get
three
bathrooms.
You
can
charge
this,
you
know,
so
we
would
tailor
the
units
to
be
cost
effective
and
efficient,
and
you
know
1350
square
feet
might
be
the
number
it
might
be
1400,
and
but
you
know
that
just
sets
a
minimum
threshold.
I
Sure
I
will
speak
briefly
to
it
as
set
forth
in
the
comp
plan.
There
are
economic
and
environmental
and
social
benefits
when
we
annex
properties
into
the
city.
So
all
of
those
I
will
let
speak
for
themselves
as
laid
out
in
the
staff
memo,
and
we
also
have
a
a
couple
of
of
homes
that
are
sort
of
at
the
end
of
their
natural
lifespan
in
this
area
that
where
we
can
add,
probably,
I
think,
five
units
of
affordable
housing,
which
is
always
to
the
good.
I
B
Okay,
I
will
I'll
go
ahead
and
call
on
myself
here
and
just
say
that
appreciate
the
work
that
the
applicant
did
with
the
staff
and
the
planning
board
to
kind
of
get
to
this
point
and
call
it
a
couple.
Things
like
the
staying
away
from
some
of
the
steeper
slopes
higher
up
the
hill
and
also
avoiding
impinging
on
the
the
road
there,
as
well
as
the
planning
board's
idea
to
replace
all
of
the
trees.
You
know
that
they're
impacted
by
the
construction
so
appreciate
all
that
and
then
planting
board.
B
I
thought
I
appreciated
them,
bringing
up
the
question
of
the
access
to
the
road
and
it
does
sound
like
per
the
answer
to
rachel's
questions
and
what
was
in
the
memo
that
that
will
continue
to
be
a
public
right-of-way
and
the
access
to
the
popular
trail
up.
There
will
not
be
impeded,
so
that's
good
to
hear
as
well,
and
then
we
get
some
some
much-needed
housing
of
affordable,
different
kinds,
including
middle-income
housing,
which
we
really
really
need.
B
B
All
right,
seeing
none
alicia,
what
kind
of
a
vote
do
we
have
here.
P
U
X
E
F
AF
Just
real
briefly,
unless
I'm
mistaken,
I
believe
this
might
be
sloan's
last
presentation
and
her
role
as
planning
manager,
and
I
just
wanted
to
take
the
opportunity
to
thank
her
for
all
the
work
that
she's
done
within
planning
and
development
services.
We're
really
excited
that
she
remains
a
colleague
in
hhs,
but
she
has
been
a
steady
force
for
us
in
planning
and
we
wish
her
well
in
that
capacity.
AB
B
Brad,
okay,
so
sloan
I've,
I've
seen
I
don't
know
how
many
dozens
of
presentations
from
you
dating
back
to
my
years
on
on
cleaning
board.
So
I
would
just
thank
you
for
just
years
of
extraordinary
service
in
this
role.
You've
done
a
remarkable
job,
but
I'm
also
thrilled
that
you're
staying
with
the
city
and
moving
on
to
a
different
role,
we'll
look
forward
to
working
with
you.
There.
B
Okay,
let's
bring
that
item
to
close
and
then
teresa,
I'm
gonna
turn
to
you.
I've
been
seeing
some
some
information,
maybe
about
our
previous
item.
That
needs
to
be
addressed
before
we
move
on
here
and
you're
muted.
U
Thank
you.
I
said
yes
mayor
my
apologies.
I
I
would
like
to
invite
the
council
to
revisit
item
5,
a
4
which
is
the
ballot
issue
with
respect
to
even
numbered
year
elections
it.
It
appears
that
there
was
some
language
inadvertently
left
off
the
slide,
and
so
the
motion
that
we
provided,
you
did
not
contain
all
of
the
language.
I
do
believe
that
we
have
some
council
members
prepared
to
to
correct
that.
B
So
thanks
for
that
teresa-
and
I
I
will
say
I
don't
think-
I've
led
a
meeting
where
we've
needed
to
do
this.
So
what
would
be
the
kind
of
formal
roberts
rules
thing
necessary
to
go
back
to
a
previously
passed
motion
and
alter
it.
C
B
Can
raise
our
hands
here
got
a
majority
there.
So
thanks
so
much
if
you
could
lay
out
what
what
language
needs
to
be
reconsidered.
Please.
AA
Thanks
aaron
yeah,
so
the
language
that
was
read
in
that
that
nicole
read
was
different
than
what
was
in
the
memo
and
so
just
for
the
sake
of
consistency
and
making
sure
we're
actually
reading
the
language
that
we're
all
is
just
for
consistency
that
we
all
have
agreed
upon.
AA
That
carries
forth
a
lot
of
the
other
changes
that
have
happened
up
to
this
point
and
we
sort
of
need
to
eject
what
was
on
the
ballot
language
in
the
presentation
and
go
back
to
the
memo
and
then
make
those
and
then
add
the
two
amendments
that
we
had
approved
so
that
the
language
is
then
self-consistent
and
I
just
want
to
check
with
teresa.
If
that's
an
appropriate
description
of
the
situation.
And
if
so,
then
I
can
go
ahead
and
maybe
make
a
new
motion
with
the
amendments.
B
AA
So
I'm
gonna
sort
of
read
from
three
different
versions.
So
what
we
had
in
the
memo
made
mention
of
I've,
gotta
figure
out-
I
didn't
redline
it
so
now.
I'm
gonna
have
to
do
this
ad
hoc.
AA
B
H
Over
I
do
yeah,
so
it's
basically
in
the
section.
This
is
the
part
that
was
on
the
screen.
That
was
different
from
what
was
in
the
memo.
It
said,
shell
sections,
5,
14
and
22
of
the
boulder
homeworld
charter
be
amended
to
change
the
regular
municipal
elections
of
candidates
to
even
numbered
years.
What
was
in
the
memo
was:
shall
sections
5,
14
and
22
of
the
boulder
homeworld
charter
be
amended
to
change
the
regular
municipal
election
date
to
even
numbered
years,
so
it's
just
three
words.
H
Language
and
just
because,
I
think
that's,
I
think,
that's
that's
captured
within
the
regular
municipal
election,
maybe
where
we
got
to
with
that
one.
Last
time.
B
AA
Yes,
and
thanks
nicole,
for
clarifying
that
piece
so
I'll
make
a
motion
see
if
I
can
go
back
and
get
the
right
language.
So
we
know
what
we're
saying
on
emotion
to
amend
and
then
I'll
get
the
right
language
up.
Let's
see
if
we
can
put
this
together,
all
right
so
I'll
make
a
motion
to
amend
and
pass
ordinance
8546
submitting
to
the
registered
electors
of
the
city
of
boulder
at
the
special
municipal,
coordinated
election
to
be
held
on
tuesday
november
8
2022.
AA
The
question
of
whether
to
amend
sections,
5,
14
and
22
of
the
boulder
home
rule
charter
be
amended
to
change
the
regular
municipal
election
date
to
even
number
years
on
the
same
date
as
the
state
general
election
beginning
with
november
the
november
2026
election
date
and
to
implement
the
transition,
reduce
the
term
of
council
members
elected
in
2023
and
in
2025
to
three-year
terms
or
to
three
years
and
increase
the
term
of
the
mayor
elected
in
2023
to
three
years,
all
as
more
specifically
provided
in
ordinance,
8546
and
setting
forth
related
details.
B
B
Language
all
right,
if
there's
no
further
discussion
alicia,
can
we
do
a
roll
call
on
this?
Please.
E
E
F
D
B
Again,
thanks
theresa
matt
and
nicole
for
guiding
us
through
that
to
make
sure
that
we're
doing
the
precisely
correct
thing
to
move
that.
C
B
With
that,
I
think
we're
going
to
our
first
matter
from
city
staff.
D
T
Thanks
so
much
and
well,
I
see
already
chris
jones
is
ready
to
take
us
through
it.
I'll
just
often
comment
that
he
has
been
really
a
convening
lead
and
such
terrific
leadership
on
this,
but
is
one
of
many
departments
who
are
really
working
hard
for
this
work
from
folks
in
pnds
folks,
in
transportation,
folks
in
finance,
in
our
licensing
division.
Folks
in
the
city
attorney's
office,
really
a
group
effort
to
move
a
lot
of
this
forward
and
with
that
I'll
ask
chris
to
take
us
through
this
quick
update
or
perhaps
not
so
quick.
AG
Thank
you
so
much
nuria,
I'm
just
working
to
share
my
screen.
Hopefully
everyone
sees
that
now.
Thank
you.
Nuria
good
evening
council,
chris
jones,
here
interim
director
of
community
vitality,
as
nuria
mentioned,
a
lot
of
folks
are
in
the
background.
I
will
be
the
talking
head
for
the
presentation.
That
will
be
brief,
but
we
have
a
number
of
folks
here
who
are
to
help
answer
questions
at
the
end.
AG
AG
We
rerouted
the
hop
route
in
the
downtown
area.
We
implemented
curbside
pickup
zones
and
implemented
the
temporary
extensions
for
businesses
that
were
interested
in
that
opportunity.
That
fall.
We
amended
the
rules
to
allow
for
some
winter
provisions
for
businesses
that
wanted
to
operate
through
the
winter
of
2020
to
2021.
AG
Businesses
then
needed
to
reapply
for
their
liquor
licenses
at
that
time.
Until
the
spring
of
2021,
we
extended
the
emergency
orders
again
and
through
the
fall
of
2021
and
then
in
september
2021
we
extended
the
emergency
orders
again.
Businesses
then
again
had
to
reapply
for
liquor
license
extensions
at
that
time
again
consistent
with
the
emergency
orders
that
went
through
until
spring
of
this
year.
AG
So
back
in
september
of
last
year,
council
supported
staff
exploration
of
a
downtown-based
pilot
program
for
outdoor
dining
staff,
prepared
an
information
item
that
we
presented
to
council
earlier
this
year
in
february
that
led
to
some
desire
for
a
city-wide
program,
and
so
in
march
of
this
year.
At
our
adjustment
to
base
conversation,
we
approved
some
resources
to
help
stand
up
a
citywide
program
and
the
emergency
orders
were
again
extended
through
august
31st
of
this
year,
businesses
again
had
to
reapply
for
their
liquor
ex
their
liquor.
AG
Permit
extensions
early
license
extensions
under
the
city's
emergency
order
in
the
state
emergency
order.
Back
in
april,
council
approved
the
framework
that
staff
put
together
for
the
creation
of
the
citywide
pilot
program.
In
june
we
presented
in
first
and
second
reading.
The
ordinance
change
is
required
to
stand
up
that
program
immediately
after
that
our
application
period
opened
up
on
june
27th
and
originally
that
went
through
july
15th.
AG
So
a
quick
review
of
the
program.
We
do
have
a
citywide
pilot
program
that
will
last
for
five
years
until
2027.
It
applies
to
outdoor
dining
extensions
in
the
public
right-of-way
in
on-street
parking
spaces,
certain
areas
of
the
pearl
street
mall
and
sidewalks
and
other
available
open
spaces
in
the
public
right-of-way.
We
also
are
allowing
private
property
expansions
into
existing
parking
spaces
and
other
available
open
spaces.
AG
As
far
as
the
city
or
arpa
subsidies
go,
we
have
three
options
that
businesses
could
pursue
in
their
application
process:
option
a
is
an
expansion
into
the
public
right-of-way
with
infrastructure
that
was
purchased
that
would
be
purchased
by
the
individual
business.
Those
businesses
are
still
eligible
for
reimbursement
of
up
to
2500
of
their
infrastructure,
any
any
dollars
that
they
spent
on
on
infrastructure.
AG
That's
no
longer
compliant
option
b
was
expansions
into
the
public
right-of-way,
but
participating
in
a
city
bulk
purchase
where
the
city
would
take
the
lead
in
purchasing
standard
infrastructure,
and
there
was
a
lease
rate
associated
with
that
for
businesses
who
wanted
to
take
that
route
and
that
we
estimate
is
about
a
50
discount
on
the
cost
of
of
the
compliant
infrastructure.
AG
Option
c
is
expansions
on
private
property,
so
that
would
not
be
folks
would
not
participate
in
a
revocable
lease
or
anything
like
that
with
the
city,
but
they'd
still
be
eligible
for
up
to
2
500
in
a
rebate
reimbursement
for
expenses
that
they
had
previously
incurred
for
non-compliant
infrastructure.
AG
AG
This
is
just
a
quick
preview
of
the
number
the
businesses
that
have
applied
for
each
of
those
different
options.
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
all
of
them,
but
wanted
to
give
folks
an
idea
of
the
mix,
and
I'm
sure
you
see
you
recognize
some
names
of
restaurants
that
you
like
just
want
to
reiterate.
So
we
had
31
applicants
of
those
18
applications
are
complete
and
in
review.
AG
One
of
those
applications
is
actually
fully
through
the
process
and
they
are
fully
ready
to
pursue
their
liquor,
licensing
the
remaining
17
that
have
complete
applications
they're
still
in
review.
Five
of
those
are
near
completion
and
also
about
ready
to
pursue
liquor
licensing.
The
remaining
13
applications
are
still
incomplete
through
this
application
process.
We've
gotten
a
number
of
questions
from
applicants
and
it's
led
to
some
adjustments
to
our
city
manager
rules
associated
with
the
pilot
program.
AG
So
we
now
have
included
images
of
compliant
infrastructure
to
give
folks
an
idea
of
what
type
of
infrastructure
we're
looking
for
in
the
program.
We've
also
detailed
required
compliance
with
the
city's
downtown
urban
design
guidelines
for
outdoor
dining
we've
detailed.
Our
traffic
engineer
approved
planter
boxes
to
protect
spaces
that
are
next
to
live
travel
lanes.
We
are
specifically
prohibiting
rope,
fences
and
jersey
barriers
as
part
of
the
pilot
program.
AG
We've
detailed,
the
six
foot
required
clearance
from
these
outdoor
dining
areas
and
other
obstructions
to
make
sure
that
we
have
space
for
pedestrians.
We've
clarified
the
thousand
square
foot
maximum
per
block
face
rules
to
let
folks
know
how
we
would
manage
that.
I
mean
in
the
event
that
new
applicants
come
in
to
the
program
on
a
specific
block.
AG
That's
already
reached
a
thousand
square
feet
and
we've
also
done
some
clarification
around
the
permission
permissible
expansion
areas
on
the
pearl
street
mall
to
be
really
specific,
with
where
folks
can
expand
onto
the
bricks
of
the
mall
real
quickly.
Taking
a
look
at
maps
of
the
mall
on
the
1100
block,
you
can
see
here
in
green
the
areas
where
staff
is
identified
where
we
might
allow
restaurants
to
expand
and
the
areas
in
red
are
where
they
are
allowed
and
we
actually
do
have
applications
in.
AG
AG
Those
are
the
spaces
that
we
would
allow
no
applications
currently
and
for
those
spaces
and
on
the
1400
block.
Avanti
has
applied
for
the
three
spaces
that
you
see
in
red
here
on
this
block,
so
just
wanted
to
give
council
an
idea
of
some
of
the
detail
that
we've
now
included
in
the
city
manager.
Rules
for
pearl
street
we've
also
done
some
work.
AG
Now
that
we
have
a
better
idea
of
the
number
of
folks
who
are
applying
for
the
different
options
available,
we've
been
doing
some
projections
and
estimates
on
the
program,
revenue
and
expenses
over
time.
We
still
have
some
more
work
to
do
here
to
get
this
in
a
good
spot,
to
present
to
council
at
the
next
adjustment
to
base
to
make
sure
that
we
can
account
for
how
we're
going
to
cover
the
expenses
and
revenues
for
the
program
for
the
five-year
duration.
AG
For
next
steps
for
the
program
again,
emergency
orders
we
know,
are
ending
on
august
31st
september.
1St
is
when
the
pilot
program
begins
at
that
time.
Participating
restaurants
will
need
to
reduce
their
operating
footprint
down
to
the
approved
areas.
We
are
communicating
a
one-week
race
period
for
folks
to
get
into
compliance,
whether
to
their
approved
area
or,
if
they're
not
participating
in
the
program.
AG
We
are
anticipating
receiving
the
the
infrastructure
through
the
bulk
purchase
by
the
end
of
october
in
october.
We'll
also
be
preparing
our
information
for
the
sec,
the
second
adjustment
to
base,
and
by
october
31st.
We
anticipate
full
pilot
program
implementation
over
the
fall
and
winter,
we'll
continue
to
monitor
the
program
and
make
modifications
to
the
rules
as
needed.
As
we
learn
more
about
how
the
pilot
program
is
going
and
then,
in
february
of
next
year,
we'll
have
our
next
application
window
for
new
businesses
that
want
to
participate
in
the
program.
AG
C
Thanks
so
much
chris
questions
from
bob
and
matt
mark.
X
Thanks
chris
I'll
just
start
with
a
few
questions,
I
might
have
some
later
so
I'll
reserve
the
right
to
ask
those,
but
I
wanted
to
make
sure
first,
I
understood
your
presentation.
I
don't
know
if
you
have
to
put
the
slide
back
out,
but
I
saw
in
a
couple
of
blocks.
There
was
kind
of
the
red
rectangles
and
the
and
the
green
ones
and
the
green
ones
I
think,
were
permissible
and
the
what
red
ones
were
applied
does.
AG
So
all
of
the
spaces
that
you
see
color,
we
will
allow
expansions
the
colors
in
red
mean
that
we
actually
have
applicants
for
that
space.
So
I
don't
see
any
color
any
red
or
green.
That
means
that
we
are
not
that,
even
if
somebody
applied
to
use
that
space
that
that
would
not
be
permitted,
an
example
would
be
right.
Now
we
have
hapa
has
encroached
into
all
the
space
around
the
weeping
rock,
and
you
can
see.
AG
We've
not
indicated
that
that
space
will
any
longer
be
available
for
restaurants
to
encroach
in
the
of
way
so
that
that
amenity
can
be
enjoyed
more
by
the
public.
The
weeping
rock
as
an
example
has
been
turned
off
for
the
duration
of
the
pandemic,
because
it
does
lead
to
some
splashback
and
and
that's
interfered
with
people's
ability
to
dine
near
it.
X
Okay,
so
the
language
was
just
confusing
to
me
so
everywhere,
there's
red
someone
has
applied
to
have
tables
and
you're
going
to
give
a
green
light
to
it
and
anywhere
there's
green
rectangles,
it's
just
vacant
space
that
someone
could
apply,
but
but
didn't
didn't
apply.
Is
that
right?
That
is
correct!
Okay
and
did
any
restaurant
apply
for
space?
X
There
may
have
been
other
reasons
why
you've
you
you're
still
working
with
them
as
far
as
the
completion
of
their
application.
I
want
to
get
into
that
right
now,
but
did
anyone
apply
for
more
space
than
you
will
allow?
In
other
words,
anybody
applied
for
x
space,
and
you
said
you
can't
have
x,
you
can
have
only
have
y
or
you
can't
be
here
or
is
there
any
denials
of
space
that
was
sought.
AG
That
is
a
good
question
I
think
originally,
when
folks
were
applying
so
hapa,
for
example,
I
think
originally
applied
for
all
of
the
space
that
they
had
previously
been
using,
and
so
staff
did
have
to
go
back
to
hapa
and
communicate
that
that
all
that
space
is
no
longer
available
to
use
and
that's
why
we've
clarified
these
diagrams
in
the
city
manager,
rules.
X
AG
X
And
then
kind
of
a
related
question.
I
know
that
there
was
some
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
were
even
having
this
checking
was.
I
think
there
was
a
rule
that
limited
square
foot
per
block,
and
I
know
there
was
some
concern
because
there's
a
lot
of
restaurants
in
the,
I
think
it's
the
1100
block
the
one
you're
showing
there
and
they
had
to
kind
of
divvy
it
up
among
themselves,
which
kind
of
made
some
of
the
spaces.
Pretty
small.
AG
To
my
understanding
at
this
point,
well,
while
we
only
have
one
applicant
that
is
fully
entitled
and
that's
chapango
to
my
knowledge
that
that
particular
conflict
has
been
resolved.
X
Okay,
great
thanks
chris
and
then
one
more
question.
Just
on
your
presentation,
then
I'll
ask
some
more
questions
later.
On
the
very
end
of
your
your
presentation,
you
talked
about
the
those
who
are
purchasing
the
this
infrastructure,
we'll
get
that
towards
the
end
of
october.
So,
if
folks
are
approved,
the
restaurants
are
approved
are
but
they're
going
to
use
the
city
provided
infrastructure.
Are
they
meant
to
continue
to
use
their
infrastructure
during,
like
september
and
october,
until
the
to
the
bold
purchase
happens?
X
Is
that
right,
they're
supposed
to
keep
in
using
their
platforms
and
tables
and
whatever
they've
got
until
until
the
city
purchases
happen
in
a
few
months?
Is
that
right?
Yes,
that's
correct,
and
that
would
include
the
role.
I
know
that
you're
a
sense
of
a
rope
you
mentioned
that,
but
they
they
would
use
the
rope
to
use
whatever
they
have
until
you
provide
what
it
is
that
you
promised
to
provide
them.
Is
that
right,
correct?
Okay,
great
thank
you.
I'll
have
some
questions
later,
but
that's
good
enough
for
now.
Thanks
thanks.
AD
Just
want
to
provide
one
clarification
to
one
of
bob's
questions
and
and
the
response
in
terms
of
the
green
and
the
red
on
the
pearl
street,
and
if
they
would
be
approved,
I
would
just
clarify
they
would
be
approved
as
long
as
they're,
also
in
compliance
with
all
the
other
rules
that
are
in
place,
so
the
type
of
infrastructure,
the
location,
specific
details
in
terms
of
accessibility,
those
types
of
things.
So
it's
not
an
automatic
approval.
X
AA
Thanks
aaron,
and
thanks
for
your
questions,
bob
that
you
asked
a
couple
I
was
going
to
ask,
but
certainly
what
you
launched
into.
I
think
it
still
requires,
maybe
a
little
bit
more
clarity,
even
though
restaurants
will
be
able
to
keep
what
they
have
for
transition
until
the
infrastructure
comes.
Did
I?
What
I
heard
from
edward
is
that
that
infrastructure
they
have
to
keep
now
has
to
get
maybe
reworked
and
retooled
to
then
be
in
compliance
outside
of
the
emergency
ordinances.
AA
So
there's
the
stuff
that
they've
got,
but
then
it
has
to
be,
then
they
have
to
fix
it
all
up
to
get
it
right
to
meet
ordinances
then
before
they
get
their
stuff.
Is
there
this
weird?
I
gotta
comply
with
what
I've
got
or
spend
more
money
on
infrastructure
temporarily
to
meet
those
guidelines.
Did
I
hear
that
right.
AD
Not
quite
so,
we
won't
and
then
chris
jump
in
feel
free,
but
they
don't
need
to
modify
all
of
their
existing
to
meet
all
the
regulations
during
that
transition
period.
I
think
the
only
one
that
we're
asking
them
to
look
at
is
the
size
restriction
to
ensure
that
they're
in
that,
but
the
other
pieces
we're
not
going
to
require
them
to
retool
that
infrastructure,
to
meet
accessibility
or
to
meet
certain
fencing
requirements
that
will
be
in
that
transition
period.
AA
Okay,
thanks
for
clarifying
that
the
other
one
kind
of
has
to
do
with
so
based
on
those
numbers
we've
got,
it
looks
like
we've
got
six
that
have
kind
of
green
lit
they're
going
through
and
there's
some
that
are
in
process
and
others
that
have
applied
but
haven't
really
gotten
everything
all
their
ducks
in
a
row
for
it
to
be
under
consideration
by
the
departments.
Is
that
is
that
a
good
understanding
sort
of
three
categories,
yes
of
the
ones
that
obviously
the
green
lit
ones?
AA
They
seem
like
they're,
good
and
then
of
the
ones
that
are
applied
and
in
process
for
review
are?
Are
they?
How
are
we
gonna?
What's
the
time
frame
to
get
them
approved
ahead
of
the
end
of
august
deadline?
Are
I
mean?
Is
it?
Are
you
confident
that
we'll
get
them
approved
or
are
we
gonna
have
some
that
have
applied
and
they're
gonna,
maybe
caught
on
the
other
end
of
the
emergency
order,
is
being
rescinded
and
then
be
sort
of
hung
out
for
a
little
bit
waiting
for
approval.
AD
I
certainly
try,
so
you
know
we
are.
We
have
prioritized
these
applications
through
the
review
process
beyond
anything
else
in
pnds
to
go
to
the
review.
It's
really
going
to
depend
on
whether
everything
is
found
to
be
ultimately
in
in
compliance.
There
are
usually
several
back
and
forth
on
some
of
them.
Some
are
more
complicated,
we're
working
to
try
as
hard
as
we
can.
If
they
aren't.
By
that
point
it
doesn't
mean
that
they're
going
to
be
cut
off
and
that
we
won't
finish
working
with
them
now.
AD
That
being
said,
the
issue
of
liquor
licensing
is
a
separate
issue.
I'm
sure
there'll
be
some
questions
on
that,
but
we'll
we
we
are
working
as
rapidly
as
we
can
through
those
the
goal
of
trying.
Some
of
it
depends
also
really
on
their
ability
to
reply
back.
If
we
need
further
clarification,
any
additional
information
that
was
not
present
in
our
application.
AA
All
right,
that's
helpful.
You
brought
up
the
elephant
in
the
room
with
liquor,
licensing.
I've
asked
a
couple
questions.
I'd,
certainly
love
to
hear
what
mark
and
rachel
had
to
say,
and
hopefully
we
can
wrap
back
to
the
liquor
license
stuff,
assuming
that's
an
appropriate
time
to
talk
about
it.
Thanks
edward
thanks
chris.
I
appreciate
those
responses.
C
V
All
right
mike,
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
You
know.
One
thing
that
struck
me
as
you
did.
The
charts
was
that
there
seemed
to
be
a
fairly
low
level
of
participation
in
terms
of
the
the
areas
that
are
available
versus
the
people,
who
have
applied
any
thoughts
as
to.
Why
that
that
is
the
case.
Is
it
simply
too
expensive
for
people
or
they
are
they're,
not
interested?
I
would
have
thought
there
might
be
a
higher
level
of
participation.
AG
Thanks
mark
for
the
question,
we
haven't
gotten
any
specific
feedback,
one
way
or
the
other
on
that
relative
to
the
number
of
folks
who
haven't
applied,
who
have
been
taking
advantage
of
the
free
space
up
till
now.
So
there
might
be
a
number.
I
think
it's
a
variable.
It's
just
depends
on
their
business
interests
and
just
because
they
aren't
applying
this
winter
does
not
mean
that
they
might
not
choose
to
apply.
AG
You
know
apply
to
to
participate
next
year,
so
we
haven't
gotten
any
feedback
as
to
why
or
specific
reasons
or
that
that
folks
are
saying
why
they
don't
want
to
participate.
Okay,.
V
Fair
enough
just
go
through
the
numbers
with
me
again.
Am
I
correct
that
there
was
one
complete
app
an
approved
application,
or
is
that
the
wrong
number.
AG
There
is
one
application
that
has
gone:
it's
been
notarized
and
signed,
and
so
they
are
fully
entitled.
There
are
five
others
that
have
gone
there
at
their
final
stages
of
review.
So
we
anticipate
that
they,
you
know
it's
just
it's
it's
at
the
you
know,
city
attorney,
lease
language
review
level.
So
there's
nothing.
That's
really
standing
in
the
way.
The
remainder
are
either
incomplete
or
still
in
review.
AG
U
E
Y
Thank
you
theresa,
and
we
also
have
kristin
changaris
here
as
well.
Who
is
the
new
licensing
manager
and
I
bite
her
as
well
she's
the
expert
in
liquor
licensing,
but
it
does
take
a
significant
amount
of
time
at
least
30
days.
Typically,
okay,.
V
So
effectively
on
september
1
of
this
year
and
assuming
the
one
complete
applicant
has
not
already
applied
for
its
liquor
license
our
outdoor
dining
program
comes
to
a
complete
stop.
Is
that
correct
or
not
correct.
Y
They
would
only
they
would
not
be
able
to
serve
liquor
if
their
temporary
modification
wasn't
approved.
They
could
still
serve
as
long
as
they
had
a
an
approved
plan
through
the
city.
They
would
still
be
able
to
serve
their
clients
and
and
and
folks
food,
but
they
would
not
be
able
to
serve
alcohol
in
that
new
approved
location.
They
could
continue
to
serve
alcohol
within
their
premises,
just
not
in
the
outdoor
dining
area.
I.
V
Y
I
don't
know
the
details
about
where
the
applications
are.
They
all
have
different
deadlines,
but
if
the
information
isn't
sent
to
the
state
within
a
certain
amount
of
time,
they're
not
going
to
have
their
liquor
license
approved
for
that
temporary
modification.
V
Okay,
I
mean-
I,
I
think,
that's
a
more
detailed
way
of
saying
no
we're
not
going
to
have
much
of
a
program
on
september
1
on
the
present
circumstances.
Would
there
be
any
impact
on
the
ability
to
continue
to
operate
if
we
extended
our
emergency
ordinance,
while
all
of
this
catches
up.
Y
It
wouldn't
make
it
a
difference
because
the
state
still
has
to
approve
and
so
they're
they're.
Looking
it's
a
dual
licensing
process
just
to
take
us
a
step
back
during
the
pandemic,
the
state
had
an
emergency
order
in
place
that
allowed
for
temporary
use
of
outdoor
spaces
for
liquor
service.
It
was
an
expedited
process.
It
allowed
for
concurrent
dual
processing
of
the
state
and
local
license.
Y
So
usually
the
local
licensing
has
to
approve
first,
and
then
it
goes
to
the
state
for
approval.
That's
why
it
takes
so
long.
The
state's
emergency
order
expired
on
may
31st.
So,
even
if
we
were
to
extend
our
emergency
order,
it
would
not
change
the
fact
that
the
state
is
on
its
own
schedule
and
would
need
to
approve
it
as
well.
V
All
right,
I
I'm
going
to
let
my
colleagues
jump
in,
but
I
will
leave
with
the
comment
that
I
am
troubled
by
where
we
are
and
how
we
got
here.
The
timing
on
this
is
is
clearly
not
ideal
and
I
I
don't
think
we've
served
the
interest
of
our
restaurant
constituents
very
well.
AG
Might
I
not
to
interrupt
you
council,
member
wallach,
but
I
want
to
offer
that
our
business
licensing
group
has
been
first
of
all
working
very
hard
and
and
also
been
very
communicative
with
the
businesses
who
have
been
participating
in
this
program
in
the
emergency
orders.
They
were
informed
that
of
the
timeline
when
the
june's
27th
application
window
opened
of
all
the
steps
needed
to
be
accomplished
in
order
to
get
these
applications
across
the
finish
line
so
that
they
would
not
be
facing
this
delay.
AG
I
do
know
that
that
you
know
when
we're
talking
about
a
five-year
more
permanent
program.
It's
a
lot
different
than
temporary
modifications
associated
with
the
emergency
orders
of
the
pandemic,
and
so
certainly
the
application
process
has
been
more
onerous
for
folks
than
they
had
experienced
in
the
previous
iterations
of
our
temporary
expansions,
but
certainly
a
lot
less
onerous
than
our
pre-existing
outdoor
dining
patio
program,
which
we
know,
businesses
that
have
taken
years
to
get
their
outdoor
dining
patios
established
at
their
places
of
business.
In
the
past,
all
right.
V
B
Thanks
regional
chair
and
lauren.
I
All
right
thanks
chris
and
certainly
do
appreciate
all
the
work
that
your
team
is
doing
on
this
and
so
obviously
everybody's
concerned
about
the
the
liquor
you
know
becoming
a
dry
outdoor,
dining
town.
It's
going
to
be
upsetting
to
the
the
servers
there's
a
lot
of
money
made
from
from
serving
alcohol
and
a
lot
of
us
like
to
go
to
those
spots
and
and
drink
that
alcohol.
So
I
think,
there's
you
know
it's
not
a
criticism
of
the
hard
work.
I
I
Like
I
don't
quite
understand,
I
can't
imagine-
or
maybe
it
did
happen,
that
way
that
all
of
these
restaurants
were
licensed
on
the
same
day
such
that
they're
all
expiring,
at
august,
31st
at
the
state
level,
or
is
that
because
of
a
may
date
is,
I
guess,
is
august
31st
date
relevant
to
the
city
versus
the
state
who's?
Whose
deadline
is
that?
Who
controls
august
31st
this
year.
Y
Yeah,
I'm
happy
to
so
the
august
31st
date
becomes
important
because,
in
order
for
the
state
to
approve
the
liquor
license,
they
have
the
applicant
has
to
show
proof
that
they
have
possession
of
the
area
so
permission
to
use
the
city
property.
And
so
that's
why
it
becomes
an
issue.
T
In
the
spring,
it
is
a
public
health
order.
It
is
not
intended
for
to
support
businesses
that
it
really
is
an
emergency
health
order
based
on
covet
at
the
time
the
state
ended
their
orders
in
may.
We
actually
took
a
risk
and
extended
that
ourselves,
because
we
found
our
county
still
in
red.
We
are
currently
actually,
I
think
we
were
in
yellow
and
I
believe,
we've
just
gone
down
to
green.
So
there
is
no
public
health
reason
for
which
these
orders
move
forward.
I
And
to
end
to
devil's
advocate,
like
all
of
us,
had
coveted
in
the
last
couple
months,
during
which
time
people
would
have
been
expected
to
be
applying
for
these
permits
and
whatnot,
like
I
mean
not
all
of
us,
but
a
lot
of
us
that
I'm
looking
at
on
the
screen,
so
perhaps
the
public
health
issue
prevented.
You
know
people
from
reading
those
emails
timely
or
they
were.
You
know
busy,
trying
to
catch
up
and
recover
like
it's.
I
So
I
guess
I
just
wonder,
is:
is
there
no
valid
reason
that
we
couldn't
say
now
that
we
understand
and
we're
all
you
know
getting
back
on
our
feet
from
older
being
in
such
a
heinous
situation
there
we
could
go
to
september
30th
and
with
our
order
and
then
hope
that
that
extra
month
gave
people
time
to
to
follow
through.
So
that's
one
question
I
don't
know
if
anybody
wants
to
answer
it
right.
Andrew.
T
Correct
me,
if
I'm
wrong,
but
that
wouldn't
actually
solve
anything,
because
if
we
extended
it,
they
still
have
to
sort
of
go
to
the
state
to
seek
an
extension
of,
or
I
don't
know
if
it's
a
separate
liquor
license
or
an
extension
of
that
liquor
license.
AH
AH
So
even
if
we
acted
to
extend
their
city
liquor
license
under
an
emergency
rule,
they
would
still
need
to
apply
at
the
state
level
to
ex
to
extend
their
state
license
in
order
to
continue
operating
and
that's
really
where
the
biggest
time
delay
is
is
happening
is
under,
is
when
these
applications
go
to
the
state
for
final
review
and
approval.
I
Well,
but
I
guess
what
I'm
wondering
is
we
gave
them
an
extra
month,
like
does
everybody's
liquor
license
expire
august
31st?
Maybe
back
to
my
first
question
like
if
that's
if
the
state's
expiring
august
31st
chris
is
not
in
yes,
then
there's
nothing.
We
can
do
so.
Then.
Maybe
really
the
state
controls
that
day.
U
So
I'm
going
to
jump
in
here,
it's
possible
that
some
businesses
are
operating
outside
of
their
state
liquor
licenses.
Currently,
that's
not
a
situation
that
we
want
to
perpetuate.
U
I
I
Okay,
that
helps
thanks.
My
next
question
is,
I
think
I
heard
chris.
You
say
that
30
restaurants
had
applied
for
outdoor
dining.
Did
I
get
that
number
right,
31.
AG
I
AG
So
yeah,
but
and
I'm
trying
to
do
math
in
my
head
right
now,
but
and
somebody
help
me
if
I'm
missing
something
but
there's
yeah.
I
think
that
tackles
everybody
13
an
incomplete
18.
I
If
I'm
understanding
another
part
of
this
conversation,
I've
been
confused
a
lot
of
of
kind
of
where
we
are
because
it
feels
like
it's
not.
I
thought
this
is
going
to
be
like
a
five-minute
discussion
of
you
know
just
everything's
going
along
happy,
and
so
I've
been
trying
to
keep
up.
But
if,
if
people
aren't
gonna
have
structures
in
place
until
october,
say
like,
why
can't
we
just
approve
them
or
extend
it
and
tell
those
like
it
just
seems
like
we're.
I
Putting
more
arbitrary
deadlines
on
that
may
impact
liquor
licensing,
although
it
may
be
that
we
don't
have
any
power
now
that
the
state
controls
august
31st,
but
just
want
to
understand
like,
are
we
being
overly
burdensome
in
terms
of
like
what
we're?
What
we're
doing
right
now
in
this
planning
review
stage?
Could
we
approve
and
could
we
approve
provisionally,
as
one
question
that
I
asked
nuri
I
believe
is
ready
to
be
answered
and
then
you
know,
can
we
approve?
You
know
for
shorter
than
five
years?
Y
I
I
could
try
and
answer
the
provisional
question,
so
I
guess
theoretically,
we
could
provisionally
approve
some
of
the
applications.
It
would
have
to
be
in
very
limited
circumstances
because
we
wanted.
Y
We
would
need
to
know
that
if
there's
a
very
high
likelihood
that
they
would
be
approved,
but
secondly,
I'm
not
sure
that
the
state
would
accept
that
as
as
proof
of
possession
of
the
city
property
and
that's
what
they're
really
looking
for,
and
in
addition
to
that,
I
would
be
concerned
that
it
would
actually
create
additional
delays
if,
for
some
reason,
they
flag
it.
It's
provisional.
It's
not
approved
for
sure
that
it
would
actually
create
additional
delays
for
them.
AD
I
Thank
for
that
sorry,
I
was
muted,
so
provisional
is
not
a
go
like
is
there?
Is
there
a
way
we
can
say
you
know
we're
just
going
to
prove
everybody
who's
applied
for
six
months
more
and
then
we'll
we'll
get
back
to
this,
and
then
everybody
can
apply,
and
hopefully
you
know
if
everybody
can
apply
for
their
liquor
license
tomorrow.
I
Y
I
think
I
think
my
concern
from
that
approach
would
be
that
the
city
is
essentially
saying
you
qualify,
based
on
all
our
regulations
that
we
have
in
place
in
our
city
manager
rule
when
that
is
not
exactly
the
situation,
and
I
think
that
it
puts
the
city
in
a
a
liability
risk
situation.
If
something
were
to
happen,
we
were
essentially
saying
you
check
all
the
boxes,
because
we've
addressed
all
these
safety
issues,
but
really
we
don't
know
that
to
be
true,
and
so
my
concern
would
be
from
a
liability
perspective
for
the
city.
Y
I
don't
think
that's
an
approach
that
we
would
want
to
take.
I
AG
AG
The
state
is
not
in
that
space
and
we
don't
have
a
relationship
with
them.
Where
we
can.
We
can
pull
strings
and
have
them
be
be
permissive.
Now
that
we
are
not,
they
don't
have
the
emergency
orders
in
place
anymore
for
us
to
to
operate
under.
So
even
if
we
were
to
figure
out
a
way
to
to
temporarily
have
folks
reapply
for
another
couple
months,
they'd
still
have
to
pay
their.
I
think
it's
a
300
license.
You
know,
liquor
license
fee
to
the
state.
AG
They'd
still
have
to
wait
for
it
and
and
then,
and
then
we're
doing
a
bunch
of
work
on
the
city
side
to
do
this
temporary
thing
when
really
we're
trying
to
get
to
this
five-year
program.
And
yes,
it's
not
ideal.
None
of
us
are
happy
that
that
it's
taken
this
long
for
folks
to
get
their
materials
in
and
processed
through
all
the
work
that
we've
all
been
trying
to
do
to
get
this
set
up.
W
Matt,
wait:
are
you
sure
you're
done
rachel?
No,
I'm
just
kidding
it's
super
long
anyway.
I
remember
tell
me
if
I'm
wrong,
so
I
don't
remember
a
lot
that
we
had
a
long
discussion
about
this
and
was
it
may
or
june,
and
we
decided
we
didn't
want
to
give
staff
this
very
big
burden
of
pushing
it
past
august
31st
and
we
voted
on
it
except
for
I
think,
a
few
people.
The
majority
said,
let's
end
it
on
august
31st.
W
So
I'm
thinking
about
the
tremendous
amount
of
work
that
staff
has
been
doing
and
is
going
to
have
to
do
if
we
do
anything
different
than
our
current
trajectory,
which
we've
discussed
in
detail.
So
I'm
going
to
say
that
you
know
I'm
a
huge
fan
of
restaurants
and
also
I
don't
like
pesky
rules,
everybody
who
knows
me
knows
that,
but
I
don't
feel
like
we
have
a
choice.
Now
we,
the
staff,
tried
pretty
hard
paperwork
is
hard.
W
It's
tough
and
the
staff
has
been
trying
so
hard
to
get
people
to
to
send
in
their
paperwork
and
I'm
not
saying
that
they
weren't
hiccups,
but
maybe
there
are
other
reasons
too.
I
mean,
if
you
think,
about
why
restaurants
are
not
jumping
in
on
this
program.
First
of
all,
oddly,
the
timing
is
that
people
are
going
to
have
to
spend
money
on
infrastructure
right
before
the
winter,
and
certainly
they
might
say.
Maybe
I
should
wait
until
the
spring.
Why
would
I
spend
money
now
when
I'm
going
to
have
slow
months?
W
So
if
I
was
a
restaurant,
I
might
pull
back
and
just
wait
until
next
year.
There's
lots
of
reasons
we
don't
know
besides,
you
know
why
somebody
why
a
restaurant
would
decide
not
to
take
this
next
step
or
why
most,
wouldn't
I
think,
once
you
anybody
gets
used
to
not
having
rules,
it's
really
hard
to
start
having
them
again.
W
So
that
could
be
it
as
well,
but
you
know
there's
a
I'm
just
going
to
say
that
I
think
we
should
just
stick
with
what
we
said
and
not
ask
staff
to
redo
this
put
in
all
the
more
time
for
a
few
months.
I
I
feel
just
as
bad
as
everyone
else
and
I
love
eating
outside,
but
I
think
it's
a
big
it's
a
big
burden
right
now,
when
so
many
other
things
are
happening,
and
so
that
is
my
two
cents.
V
AA
Aaron
I
mean
this
is
going
to
be
my
second
crack.
If
you
want
to
go
for
it
since
you
haven't
spoke,
go
for
it
and
then
I
can
follow
up
after
you,
okay,
I
appreciate
it,
so
I
I
I've
heard
some
great
things
from
my
colleagues
on
this.
I
think
what
we're
missing
here
is
really
understanding
how
razor
thin
of
a
margin
our
restaurants
are
surviving
on
right
now
I
I
I
mean
I
think
we
have
to
really
recognize
just
how
one
bad
holiday
weekend
underwater
so
like.
AA
I
think
we
need
to
let
that
sink
in
a
bit
and
certainly
for
any
restaurants
or
people
or
or
people
in
our
service
industry.
Listening
to
this
or
or
hearing
the
conversation
we're
having
we're
talking
at
the
50
000
foot
level,
but
where
the
rubber
meets
the
road,
we
have
restaurants
that
are
literally
at
a
razer's
edge.
So
I
I
think
you
know
we
have
to
own
this
as
a
city,
and
we
have
to
find
the
most
expeditious
path
forward
to
reconcile
this
and
to
the
idea
of
us
taking
on
risk.
AA
I
would
take
on
more
legal
risk
as
a
city
to
not
watch
more
restaurants
and
small
businesses
go
under,
especially
for
something
that
we've
had
a
hand
in
creating.
So
so
I
I
think
we
have
to
be
really
really
quick
thinking
here
and
and
really
be
be
bold
in
terms
of
how
we're
going
to
solve
this
for
our
restaurant
community
and
small
businesses.
AA
We're
just
coming
out
of
kobe
now
is
not
the
time
to
cut
them
off
at
the
knees.
So
so
let
I
don't
know
how
else
to
say
that,
but
I
I
think,
there's
really
some
creative
things
approve
them
now
like
we
just
got
to
approve
them,
start
the
clock
on
the
approvals
for
liquor
licenses.
I
even
think
that
since
many
of
these
are
managed
by
parks
and
rec,
why
can't
we
consider
doing
like
you
can
at
any
of
our
parks,
by
having
a
temporary
liquor
license
that
a
non-profit
establishes?
AA
AA
I
don't
have
all
the
answers,
but
I'm
really
hopeful
that
we
can
set
aside
some
of
the
other
guard
rails
that
we
normally
are
attached
to
and
find
a
way
to
solve
this,
because
there's
going
to
be
restaurants
that
aren't
going
to
make
it
if
we
get
through
labor
day
and
another
month
of
great
weather
and
students
and
families
being
here
and
they
can't
serve
liquor
outside.
I
think
that's
going
to
be
devastating.
B
Right,
well,
I
don't
have
any
questions
per
se.
I
think
all
the
questions
have
been
asked.
I
appreciate
everybody
getting
those
voiced,
and
so
I
just
want
to
start
by
saying
I
know
staff.
This
has
been
a
really
heavy
lift
getting
this
move
forward,
because
this
is
a
five-year
program
right
that
I
think
that's
the
distinction
here
is
like
not
not
the
beginning
of
the
pandemic
or,
like
you
know,
whatever
just
put
something
together
with
you
know,
with
the
clothes
pins
and
some
bailing
wires.
B
Fine,
you
know
we're
we're
setting
up
a
much
longer
term
program
here,
so
it
takes
a
lot
more
work.
B
So
I
appreciate
all
the
all
the
great
work
that's
been
done,
while
also
acknowledging
that
the
the
timing
on
on
the
these
approvals,
and
in
particular
the
liquor
licenses,
is
really
problematic
for
some
of
these
businesses
that
are
caught
up
in
this
in
this
timing
problem
where
it
looks
like
there
are
a
number
of
them
that
will
not
be
able
to
serve
alcohol
in
their
outdoor
spaces
for
at
least
a
few
weeks,
and
that
is
going
to
be
hardship
for
them.
B
It
sounds
like
you
all,
have
explored
the
different
options
and
you're
doing
what
you
can,
and
so
what
I
would
just
say
is
that,
like
just
to
the
the
point
of
flexibility
that
if
there
are,
if
there's,
if
there's
any
way
like
you
know,
hopefully
we
can
get
these
move
through
pretty
quickly,
but
if
they're,
if
there's
some
minor
issues
that
aren't
safety
related
where
we
could
give
a
stamp
of
like
okay
approved,
just
make
sure
you
resolve
these
three
things
within
60
days.
B
You
know
or
something
like
that,
and
and
maybe
that's
the
provisional
approval
that
you
were
saying
doesn't
work,
but
I
just
say
if
there
is
some
version
of
that.
That's
that's!
It's
a
like
a
punch
list
for
minor
items.
I'd
encourage
you
to
see
if
there's
possibilities
there,
but
I'll
leave
it
in
your
hands
to
determine
you
know
the
best
way
to
balance
you
know
the
needs
of
public
safety
and
what
will
actually
get
folks
into
the
approval
process
the
most
quickly.
B
But
that's
that's
my
only
comment
just
for
us
to.
Can
you
continue
to
do
we
can
to
help
these
folks,
hopefully
get
things
approved
quickly,
so
that
there
can
be
the
least
disruption
to
their
business
possible,
which
I
know
is
also
what
you're
trying
to
do
mary
you've
raised
and
lower
your
hand
like
about
five
times,
I'm
very
interested
to
hear
what
you're
you're
gonna
say.
T
I
have
my
hair.
I
appreciate
that
right.
I
I
struggle
right
because
I
am
so
sympathetic
right.
We
don't
want
this
to
be
happening
to
businesses.
We
depend
frankly
on
businesses
doing
well
in
our
community
and
have
worked
so
incredibly
hard
behind
the
scenes
to
follow
up
with
businesses.
We
extended
the
deadline
because
they,
frankly
a
lot
of
businesses,
didn't
meet
the
july
deadline.
We
made
that
broader
staff
has
been
following
up
pinging
folks,
we've
been
very
clear
and
businesses
know
how
long
it
takes
a
liquor
license.
T
So
I'm
not
unsympathetic
and
staff
is
not
unsympathetic
to
what
is
happening
in
our
business
community
and
we
are
doing
so
much
to
make
sure
that
we
can
do
our
part
to
accelerate
it.
We
have
prioritized
and
taken
staff
off,
particularly
in
pnds
from
other
projects,
so
that
we
could
really
move
this
permitting
and
this
approval
process
as
fast
as
possible.
T
Our
commitment
continues
to
move
forward
and
say:
if
we
can
look
at
whatever
is
close
to
it.
How
do
we
move
that
forward?
I
I
don't
know
how
to
get
around
the
liquor
license
issue,
because
we
need
complete
applications
and
of
all
those
numbers
that
have
been
saved.
I'll
also
say
that
not
all
of
them
are
in
a
place
that
we
can
even
provide
a
provisional
license
for
they're.
T
Not
there
are
some
that
are
simply
are
that
far
away
from
complete,
and
we
also
have
to
assure
for
the
safeguards
of
safety
that
we
have
insured
now
we're
trying
hard
to
break
down
the
barriers.
This
is
not
a
situation
where
I
believe
staff
is
doing
business
as
usual,
and
it
is
not
a
situation
we're
happy
to
be
in
so
we
will
continue
and
commit
to
doing
as
much
as
we
can
in
support
of
our
business
community.
T
But
I
I
just
don't
see
right
now.
We
we
can't
do
some
of
the
back
end
of
getting
their
documentation
in
for
them.
We
just
cannot.
B
Points
well
taken.
We
know
that
that
the
city
organization
cares
about
doing
this.
The
doing
this
well
and
supporting
our
business
community
community
for
sure
and
okay,
we've
been
at
this
a
long
time
bob
you
got
something
else,
and
maybe
we
can
move
on
here.
X
Yeah,
I
just
have
a
question
and
a
comment
because
I
haven't
made
a
comment.
Yet
with
respect
to
my
question
chris,
I
I
know
that
the
original
deadline
was
july
15
and
then
you
extended
it
because
some
of
you,
some
apparently
some
some
restaurants,
wanted
to
apply
after
that
and
extended
it
to
august
1.
We
have
a
total
of
31
applications.
What's
the
breakdown
of
the
31,
how
many
apply
before
july
15
and
how
many
apply
between
july
15
and
august
1.
AG
AD
AD
Don't
have
that
specific
data?
I
think
the
vast
majority
had
an
initial
application
in
by
july
15th,
but
some
of
those
were
truly
what
I
would
describe
as
just
a
placeholder
very
much.
You
know
we're
interested.
We
filed
the
first
piece
of
paper,
but
nothing
further.
I
don't,
but
I
don't
have
the
specific
numbers
we
can
get.
Those
for
you.
AG
AG
X
So
it's
it's
so
at
least
of
the
initial
applications,
maybe
I'm
not
as
complete
as
staff
would
like
to
see
we're
all
in
by
july
15.,
so
we're
now
at
august,
18th
we're
34
days
into
it.
We've
approved
one
out
of
31
and
I
get
the
fact
that
you
guys
have
been
chasing
people
for
documentation,
but
it
sounds
to
me
like
odds.
X
Are
that
we're
not
going
to
have
anywhere
close
to
all
31
approved
by
august
31,
let
alone
the
time
that
they're
going
to
need
for
state
liquor
license
which
sounds
like
it
takes
another
30
days.
Is
that
a
fair
assumption
that
we're
not
going
to
have
31
approvals
by
august?
31?
X
Yes,
okay!
So
that's
my
question.
It's
obviously
self-evident
and
I
would
like
to
see
those
numbers
by
the
way.
With
respect
to
a
comment,
I
guess
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
things.
I
could
say
that
I
won't
say,
but
you
can
imagine
how
I'm
feeling
right
now,
which
is
a
huge
level
of
disappointment,
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
should
have
been
said
at
that
june.
21
council
meeting
that
were
not
said
and
that's
to
us
or
the
community.
X
So
that's
a
huge
huge
disappointment
to
me,
and
perhaps
others,
but
we
are
where
we
are.
I
do
want
to
echo
looking
forward
constructively
what
aaron
said:
let's
pull
out
the
stops
and
get
these
done
I'll.
Give
you
a
couple
of
examples.
These
are
anecdotal
and
they
may
not
even
be
true,
but
this
is
what
I've
heard.
X
That
was
hanging
off
a
railing,
and
that
was
the
reason
why
they're
being
held
up
now-
maybe
there's
more,
but
that's
what
they
were
told
and
so
that's
an
example
of
something
that's
pretty
pretty
small
and
probably
pretty
curable,
and
that's
probably
a
phone
call
and-
and
you
take,
the
flower
pot,
often
problem
solved,
and
then
I
heard
another
restaurant
say
with
respect
to
the
documentation.
It
was
quite
burdensome
in
addition
to
this
was
a
restaurant
that
was
leasing
its
face
and
they
provided
their
lease.
X
I
just
would
ask
us
to
go
back
and
look
at
our
requirements
to
see
if
they're
reasonable
and
then,
as
we
apply
whatever
reasonable
requirements.
We
have
that
we
are
in
fact
reasonable
in
our
implementation.
If
it's
a
small
thing,
let's
either
not
hold
things
up
or
if
it's
a
small
thing
that
could
be
cured.
Let's
make
sure
we
sit
down
with
the
restaurant
in
real
time
and
get
those
things
cured,
because
you
know
we're
talking
flower
pots
and
deeds.
X
This
is
not
the
type
of
stuff
that
is
going
to
make
people
happy
and
we
are
going
to
get
a
lot
of
emails
and
they're
all
going
to
be
directed
right
to
staff.
So
I
hope
you
have
some
good
answers.
There.
F
Yeah,
so,
along
with
being
reasonable
and
sort
of
trying
to
help
get
this
going
to
the
extent
that
we
can,
I
think
that
we
also
need
to
be
reasonable
in
terms
of
our
enforcement
and
understanding
the
situation
that
where
these
businesses
are
in,
I
know
that
in
some
things
we
might
not
have
a
lot
of
leeway,
but
where
we
do,
I
think
that
you
know,
as
long
as
the
restaurants
are
putting
in
a
good
faith
effort,
we
should
pay
attention
to
that
and
try
and
work
with
them.
V
I
do
not.
I
share
bob's
disappointment
in
where
we
are-
and
I
very
much
agree
with
matt's
comments
as
to
the
jeopardy
in
which
we're
placing
some
of
our
restaurant
operators
because
of
the
thin
margins
under
which
they
work.
I
this
is
where
we
are
and
there's
not
much
that
can
be
done
about
it
now.
So
I
simply
urge
staff
to
do
what
bob
is
suggesting
be
expeditious,
be
reasonable.
V
If
there's
a
defect,
call
them
don't
send
them
a
letter
and
wait
for
you
know,
have
a
seven-day
turnaround,
call
an
operator
and
say
move
your
flower
pot
do
this,
whatever
it
is
and
and
let's
try
to
achieve
the
same
sense
of
urgency
in
this
approval
process
that
we
had
when
we
initiated
this
program
back
in
the
height
of
the
pandemic.
B
That's
mark
nicole
and
then
rachel
and
then
maybe
we
can
wrap
this
up.
H
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
say
I'm
I'm
not.
You
know
this.
This
idea
that
staff
could
go
and
kind
of
address
some
of
these
issues,
while
they're
also
trying
to
process
some
of
the
other
applications
and
things.
I
think
this
was
one
of
my
concerns
that
I
had
about.
This
is
just
the
amount
of
staff,
time
and
effort
that
it's
taking,
and
it
feels
like
we're
seeing
a
little
bit
of
that
play
out
here,
and
I
guess
you
know
one.
H
One
question
that
I
would
have
for
at
some
point
not
tonight
to
have
it
answered
is
what
portion
of
restaurants
revenue
is
is
coming
from
outdoor
dining
at
this
point.
For
for
the
folks
who
are
there,
I've
heard
it
said.
You
know
this
is
really
essential
for
them
to
stay
profitable
and
I'm
just
I'm
wondering
if
it
just.
H
It
would
be
nice
to
have
some
data
along
those
lines
too,
but
I
do
recognize
all
the
work
that
staff
is
doing
to
try
to
get
this
brand
new
thing
up
and
running
with
all
these
different
options
that
restaurants
have
while
providing
support,
while
also
addressing
concerns
about
applications
that
are
coming
in.
This
feels,
like
a
big
ask,
so
I
just
just
wanted
to
ask
us
to
have
a
little
bit
of
grace
there,
as
well
with
our
own
staff,
as
well
as
with
the
restaurants
that
are
working
on
this.
I
Just
something
mark
said
about
like
how
fast
we
were
in
2020.
Just
made
me
wonder:
like:
can
the
fate
can
the
state
be
faster
like
do
we
have
any
any
levers
there
or
anything
that
we
can
do
like?
If,
if
it's
going
to
be
the
state,
that's
a
bigger,
slow
down
here,
eventually
or
ultimately,
can
we
help
at
all
with
that.
T
I
think
that's
a
fair
question
and
I
know
we've
thought
about
it
is
how
much
we
can
ask
the
state
to
accelerate
or
not,
accelerate
and
figure
out
what
they're
doing,
and
so
we
can
certainly
have
that
conversation
and
again
I
just
want
to
reassure
council
and
our
community
that
staff
really
is
focusing
on
the
bigger
issues,
the
important
issue.
It
is
not
the
hanging
flower
pot
issue
that
is
keeping
us
from
approving
or
not
a
license,
and
so
we
will
continue
to
do
that.
T
I
know
steph
is
so
committed
to
continuing
to
do
that
expeditiously,
and
so
we
will
also
talk
to
the
state
and
see
if
there's
anything,
that
we
can
accelerate
on
that
end.
I
G
AG
Websites,
as
far
as
the
rules
for
the
program,
I
think
everything
is
posted
on
the
project
website
and
I'm
seeing
edward
nodding
his
head.
G
AG
And
I
was
just
going
to
say
just
to
speak
to
council
member
spears
question,
I
believe,
on
the
portion
of
sales.
While
we
don't
break
down
sales
tax
revenue
to
analyze
that
internally,
it
would
need
to
be
self-reported.
But
I
would
point
out
these
extensions
are
anywhere
between
100
to
500
square
feet
so,
depending
on
the
size
of
the
total
restaurant.
We're
only
talking
about
this
area
when
it
comes
to
whether
or
not
they're
able
to
serve
alcohol
for
a
period
of
time
relative
to
their
their
total
footprint
and
operating
area.
AG
So
you
know
if
it's,
if
we're
talking,
100
square
feet
of
a
thousand
square
foot
dining
area
and
then
we're
talking,
you
know
ten
percent.
B
B
We're
an
older
arnold
palmer,
whatever
your
non-alcoholic
drink
of
choice
is
great
good
enough.
Thanks
again
everybody
on
this
one
and
I
would
say
how
about
a
five
minute
break
before
we
hit
the
next
item.
B
Okay,
let's
go.
Let's
go
for
9
0
9
10.,
we'll
come
back
in
nine
times,
we'll
give
ourselves.
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
C
D
T
Thanks
so
much
alicia
and
I'll,
send
it
over
to
jonathan
to
get
us
started,
but
I'll
also
just
thank
him
and
his
team,
because
this
is
an
item
that
we've
rescheduled
a
couple
times
for
agenda
purposes
and
they
have
been
so
patient
to
bring
this
forward
and
just
appreciate
how
accommodating
that
team
is.
So.
Thank
you.
Jonathan.
AI
No
problem
area
thanks
good
evening
mayor
and
council,
I'm
jonathan
cohen,
with
the
climate
initiatives
department.
So
I
I'm
just
going
to
offer
a
few
brief
comments
before
handing
the
presentation
over
to
my
very
capable
colleague,
jimmy
harkins,
so
tonight
we're
seeking
council
feedback
on
staff's
proposed
changes
to
boulder's
10
year
old,
disposable
bag
fee
and
direction
related
to
single-use
plastics.
AI
So,
as
the
staff
memo
explains,
this
discussion
was
really
triggered
by
last
year's
passage
of
house
bill,
1162
known
as
the
plastic
pollution
reduction
act.
I
know
jamie's
planning
on
mentioning
the
bill,
sponsors
and
important
stakeholders
responsible
for
the
bill's
passage,
but
knowing
she
won't
do
it.
I
wanted
to
acknowledge
the
hard
work
specifically
by
jamie
and
our
zero
waste
team
in
the
legislative
process,
which
led
to
colorado
becoming
the
first
interior
state
to
enact
comprehensive
plastic
pollution
legislation.
AI
So
I
think
that's
pretty
exciting
and
and
bears
some
recognition
so
because
our
local
policy
is
allowed
to
be
as
strict
or
stricter
than
the
state
law
which
takes
effect.
Next
year,
staff
has
been
reviewing
the
state
law
speaking
with
community
partners
about
implementation
and
potential
approaches,
so
I'm
gonna
hand
it
directly
over
to
jamie
and
she's
gonna,
walk
through
those
options
and
staff's
recommendation.
AJ
AJ
Can
everyone
see
that
okay,
great
all
right?
Thank
you
so
much
jonathan
and
good
evening,
mayor
and
members
of
city
council,
so
the
goals
for
tonight's
meeting
are
first
to
obtain
council
direction
on
necessary
changes
to
boulder's
disposable
bag
feed
program
and,
second,
to
obtain
input
at
a
very
high
level
on
future
regulations
to
reduce
single-use
plastics
for
the
agenda
tonight,
I
will
begin
with
some
background
information
about
boulder's
bag
feed
program
and
then
the
state's
new
plastic
pollution
reduction
act,
which
I
will
shorthand
and
call
the
ppra.
AJ
I
will
then
highlight
the
inconsistencies
between
these
two
that
we
must
address
and
present
two
options
for
moving
forward,
including
the
staff
recommendation.
AJ
Finally,
I'll
briefly
touch
on
the
potential
for
future
additional
single-use
plastic
recommendations,
but
before
we
get
started
as
jonathan
mentioned,
I
did
want
to
just
take
a
moment
to
highlight
that
the
reason
we're
discussing
this
item
tonight
is
due
to
the
large
success
in
something
our
department
talks
about
a
lot
which
sounds
really
hard
and
messy,
which
is
a
really
big.
Larger
systems
changes
outside
of
our
city
boundaries.
AJ
So
we
did
indeed
work
for
many
years
with
our
partners
like
recycle
colorado
and
eco
cycle
and
our
absolute
zero
waste
champion
in
the
legislature
representative
lisa
cutter,
who
was
the
bill
sponsor
on
the
sun
to
support
the
passage
of
components
of
this
bill
over
the
years.
This
has
been
like
four
different
bills,
one
bill
and
then
back
to
four
and
and
finally
back
to
one.
So
it's
very
very
excited
exciting
and
it
has
made
colorado
a
leader
in
a
very
short
time,
so
boulder's
bag
feed
program.
AJ
This
took
effect
in
july
of
2013.
Yes,
almost
10
years
ago.
It
is
a
10
cent
fee
on
all
disposable
plastic
and
paper
checkout
bags,
and
it
is
charged
at
all
food
stores
in
the
city
regardless
of
size.
So
this
is
everywhere
from
our
small
international
markets
to
our
large
chains
like
king
supers
and
safeway
right
now
about
33
stores,
collect
and
remit
the
fee
to
the
city.
AJ
They
retain
four
cents
of
that
fee,
40
and
remit,
the
rest
of
it
to
the
city
and
because
this
is
a
fee
and
not
a
tax.
The
uses
of
fb
revenue
are
very
narrowly
defined.
In
the
ordinance
to
directly
address
the
impacts
of
of
bags,
so
we've
been
very
careful
over
the
years.
This
money
is
earmarked
separately
and
we
have
very
limited
uses
for
that
money.
AJ
So
the
ppra,
which
we're
I'm
very
excited
about,
was
adopted
by
the
legislature
in
2021,
and
it
has
four
main
components.
The
first
and
most
relevant
for
our
discussion
tonight
is
the
statewide
bag
fee.
So
this
begins
january
1st
2023,
and
it
is
what
we
call
a
policy
floor
or
minimum.
So
cities
can
go
above
and
beyond
this.
The
provisions
in
this
bag
fee,
if
they
choose
to
it,
did
model
our
language.
So
it
is
a
10
cent,
minimum
fee
on
all
plastic
and
paper,
the
same
split
between
stores
and
the
city
or
the
county.
AJ
But
these
last
two
pieces
are
where
it
differs.
One
very
exciting
provision
is
that
the
uses
of
the
revenue
are
broader
than
in
our
boulder
ordinance.
So
we
can
actually
use
this
fee
revenue
for
all
sorts
of
waste
reduction,
compost,
recycling
programs,
incentives
and
education.
So
it
does
broad
it's
still
waste
reduction,
but
it
does
broaden
that
out
a
little
bit
which
is
really
great
and
then
this
final
note,
the
state
law
did
include
this
small
store
exemption.
AJ
AJ
So
with
that
summary
of
the
ppra,
I
want
to
go
back
to
the
bag
fee,
since
that
is
mainly
why
we
are
here
tonight
and
highlight
the
inconsistencies
between
it
and
boulder's
feed
program.
So,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
the
boulder
fee
is
at
all
food
stores,
regardless
of
size
and
the
ppra
requires
we
implement
it
at
all
stores
who
are
not
that
fall
into
that
small
store
exemption.
AJ
So
staff
has
made
the
assumption
that
council
does
not
want
to
remove
food
stores,
small
food
stores
that
have
been
already
collecting
the
fee
for
nine
years
now
they
are
participants
in
the
program,
a
lot
of
them
really
like
participating.
AJ
AJ
The
second
option
is
to
expand
the
program
to
all
grocery
and
retail
stores
in
the
city,
regardless
of
size.
This
would
include
those
small
stores
that
are
exempt
in
the
ppra
under
option
2.
We
did
discuss
amongst
staff
that,
given
that
these
small
stores
are
not
required
by
the
state
to
be
in
a
bag
fee
program,
we
could
phase
them
in
at
a
later
date.
AJ
I
know
that
there's
a
lot
of
text
on
the
screen,
but
I
did
want
to
make
sure
all
the
pros
and
cons
of
these
two
options
are
there
for
everyone
to
see
so
with
option
one.
It
would
add
about
100
to
150
stores
to
our
current
33,
and
these
estimates
are
based
on
a
combing
throw
of
a
very,
very
long
spreadsheet,
that
finance
was
so
kind
enough
to
send
me
over.
AJ
So
these
are
rough
estimates,
but
that's
about
what
we're
looking
at
the
pros
of
this
approach
are
that
you
know
it
does
comply
with
the
state
law
and
it
actually
goes
beyond
it
because
it
does
include
those
small
food
stores.
AJ
I
estimate
it
would
capture
about
80
to
90
percent
of
bag
use
in
the
city,
and
it
does
recognize
a
potential
hardship
for
small
businesses.
The
cons
to
this
approach
is
are
that
the
city
would
need
to
develop
a
process
to
see
what
stores
meet
that
criteria
and
which
do
not,
because
that
is
not
information.
We
have
right
now.
We
don't
know
how
many
locations
a
corporation
has
around
the
country.
Things
like
that,
so
we'd
have
to
develop
and
implement
that
system.
AJ
It's
also
inconsistent
and
hard
for
consumers
to
understand
and
for
us
to
communicate
to
the
community
where
they'll
find
a
bag
fee
and
where
they
won't.
We
can
do
it.
Of
course.
It's
just
a
little
long
here
and
then
finally,
it
would
exempt
a
large
number
of
small
stores,
including
ones
that
are
perceived
as
large,
and
I
did
add
this
from
the
memo.
So
I
wanted
to
put
in
an
example
to
clarify
so
take,
for
example,
mcguckin's
hardware.
I
know
we
all
love
to
do
our
shopping
there.
They
actually
would
qualify.
AJ
I
believe
for
this
small
store
exemption
because
they
are
solely
in
colorado.
They
have
one
location
and
they're,
not
a
part
of
a
larger
corporation,
even
though
they
are
a
large
store.
That
goes
through
a
lot
of
bags
and
then
on
the
flip
side.
I
believe
that
a
store
like
pharmica,
who
is
part
of
a
corporation,
that's
based
outside
of
colorado
and
they
have
california
stores,
would
not
qualify
for
the
exemption.
So
it's
just
a
little
counterintuitive
that
some
large
stores
in
the
city
would
be
exempt
and
some
smaller
ones
would
not.
AJ
So
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
that
that's
kind
of
the
difficulty
that
we're
dealing
with
here
in
communicating
it
so
for
option
two.
We
are
roughly
estimating
again
that
this
would
add
a
lot
more
stores
to
the
bag
feed
program,
of
course,
but
it
is
a
consistent
application
across
the
city
that
is
easier
for
consumers
to
understand
and
anticipate.
AJ
Obviously,
it
results
in
the
greatest
reduction
in
values,
and
it
is
consistent
with
louisville
one
of
our
neighboring
jurisdictions,
who,
just
this
year,
put
in
a
25
cent
bag
tax
everywhere
in
the
city
and
then
it
we
can
use
that
phase
in
approach
would
reduce
the
administrative
burden
on
both
city
staff.
To
get
you
know,
the
systems
up
and
running
for
that
many
accounts
and
also
on
the
small
stores-
and
I
did
want
to
highlight
this
piece
as
well.
AJ
A
pro
to
this
approach
is,
I
know
it's
really
easy
to
see
that
the
collecting
the
fee
is
a
burden
on
small
business,
but
it
is
actually
also
a
revenue
source,
so
they
get
to
keep
forty
percent
of
whatever
the
fee
level
we
set,
and
that
is,
it
can
be
a
significant
revenue
source
for
a
small
business
who
has
to
buy
those
bags.
Recycle
content
paper
bags-
or
you
know
whatever
they're,
giving
out
to
their
consumers
that
can
help
offset
that
cost
for
them,
so
we
wouldn't
be
including
them
in
that
revenue
generation.
AJ
But
the
cons
of
this
approach,
of
course,
are
that
burden
and
then
a
substantial
increase
in
bag
fee
accounts
which
will
require
resources
in
the
city
to
administer
and
enforce.
I
will
note
with
this
one,
though,
as
I
said
in
the
memo
that
we
have
over
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
the
existing
bag
fee
account
that
money
can
be
used
to
help
with
these
resources,
and
so
whatever
we
need.
We
are
ahead
of
the
game.
Many
many
cities
across
colorado
do
not
have
a
system
in
place;
they
don't
have
the
tax
forms.
AJ
We
have
that
all
in
place
already,
so
we
are
ahead
of
the
game.
It's
just
a
matter
of
scaling
it
to
all
those
stores,
and
so
whatever
our
finance
department
would
need
to
help
do
that
we
can
help
provide
for
that
with
the
existing
bag.
If
you
money
all
right,
so,
in
addition
to
what
stores
charges,
the
fee
council
can
also
choose
to
increase
the
fee
level.
AJ
So
back
in
2012
we
conducted
a
v-nexus
study
and
it
justified
a
fee
at
that
time
of
up
to
20
cents,
and
then
council
cut
it
back
to
10.,
but
in
discussing
it
internally,
given
that
current
labor
costs
and
other
costs
associated
with
recycling
have
all
gone
up
as
well
as
the
continued
externalities
on
ecosystems
and
the
climate,
we
really
do
feel
that
an
updated
analysis.
If
we
were
to
redo
it
today,
would
justify
a
fee
higher
than
that
20
cents
per
bag
and
so
putting
it
at
that
level.
AJ
This
will
create
a
fee
that
is
easier
to
anticipate
and
communicate
to
residents
and
visitors
as
well,
while
also
allowing
some
additional
time
for
small
stores
to
implement
that
system.
As
I
mentioned,
the
increased
fee
level
of
20
cents
is
a
level
initially
recommended
back
in
2012,
so
we'd
be
catching
up
with
that
and
does
incorporate.
You
know.
As
I
said,
some
of
those
externality
costs
that
we're
not
capturing.
Now
we
did
talk
to
the
environmental
advisory
board
last
night,
a
doubleheader
here,
and
they
were
overall,
very
supportive
of
the
staff
recommendation.
AJ
All
right,
I
will
now
transition
to
a.
I
want
to
emphasize
a
very
high
level
discussion
of
additional
actions.
The
city
can
explore
to
reduce
other
single-use
plastics
so
as
we
think
about
our
circular
economy
goals
and
the
role
that
a
city
can
play
in
accelerating
that
transition,
it's
really
critical
to
have
a
longer
term
plan
for
phasing
out
disposable
plastics
that
are
not
of
high
value.
AJ
AJ
We
continue
to
get
emails
and
petitions
occasionally
to
ban
certain
plastic
items
as
the
realities
of
their
production
and
disposal
become
more
apparent
every
year.
Just
this
week.
Actually,
the
group
beyond
plastics
released
a
new
report.
They
kind
of
they
looked
at
the
life
cycle
of
producing
these
items
and
they
estimated
that
130
plastic
manufacturing
facilities
in
the
nation
emit
at
least
114
million
tons
of
co2
equivalent
annually,
which
is
about
57
coal-fired
power
plants.
AJ
So
this
is
an
incredibly
toxic
industry
that
I
think
every
city
plays
a
role
in
trying
to
phase
out
another
issue.
I
know
you're,
aware
of
from
various
emails
you
have
been
on.
Is
the
high
level
contamination
right
now
in
our
compost
stream
and
one
of
the
most
problematic
items?
Are
these
single-use
plastics,
including
disposable
food?
Wear?
AJ
Sometimes
I'm
sure
it
is
a
matter
of
folks
in
our
community
who
think
they
are
composable,
but
they're
not,
but
this
is
really
prolific
in
our
compost
stream.
AJ
So
reducing
their
use
throughout
the
community
would
greatly
assist
and
excuse
me,
our
goals
for
producing
a
really
high
quality
compost
product.
We
need
to
get
that
stream
cleaned
up
in
order
to
achieve
some
of
our
other
natural
climate
solutions
and
things
we
want
to
do
with
that
compost
and
then.
AJ
If
at
all,
I
know
we
all
have
those
drawers
at
home
which
are
disposable,
food,
wear
items,
and
so
previously,
what
we
saw
over
the
years
were
like
item
by
item
policies,
you'll,
remember,
straw,
bans
or
policies
that
go
over
after
other
items
and
now
we're
really
seeing
a
shift
where
some
cities
like
berkeley
and
others
in
california,
as
well
as
other
places,
are
looking
at
these
in
a
much
more
comprehensive
approach
and
they're
putting
ordinances
in
place
that
look
at
plastics.
You
know
in
totality
and
not
just
one
by
one.
AJ
So
on
this
slide,
I
have
the
most
common
components
of
these
comprehensive
ordinances
that
I
have
found.
They
usually
start
with
a
ask
a
provision
that
makes
restaurants
ask
if
folks
want
disposable
food
wear
and
not
just
provide
them
by
default,
and
then
they
typically
move
into
bands
on
plastic,
food,
wear
and
requirements
for
that
those
items
to
be
composable
or
recyclable,
and
that
would
really
depend
on
the
local
community
infrastructure
and
what
works
for
them,
and
I
have
seen
requirements
to
use
reusable
food
wear
for
eating
dining.
AJ
So
if
you
go
out
to
eat
it's
fast
casual,
you
have
to
actually
use
dishes
and
silverware
and
not
take
out
items.
However,
I
did
want
to
note
that
I
have
not
found
a
city
that
has
implemented
a
requirement
around
providing
an
option
for
you
reusable
takeout
container.
So
I
think
that's
a
really
exciting
thing
we
could
explore
this
photo
on.
The
right
is
one
from
our
partner
repeater,
soon
to
be
called
deliver
xero,
which
is
a
reusable
takeout
container
program.
AJ
AJ
I
haven't
checked
the
the
latest
latest
numbers,
restaurants
across
the
city,
but
so
this
is
something
that
I
think
boulder
could
really
innovate
around
and
we
could
incorporate
you
know
more
reusables
into
a
comprehensive
ordinance.
AJ
AJ
AJ
We
are
ready
to
immediately
start
talking
to
businesses
and
communicating
on
how
to
remit
the
fee
and
when,
as
well
as
back
in
2012-
and
I
was
the
person
who
did
this
in
2012-
I've
been
here
that
long,
we
have
lots
of
resources
on
our
website
of
signs.
They
could
print
out
one-page
training
materials
for
employees
little
postcards.
AJ
We
anticipate
having
all
that
available
again,
so
we'll
communicate
to
them.
They
don't
have
to
create
anything
for
this.
We
have
everything,
they'll
need
and
then
we're
also
going
to
do
additional
stakeholder
engagement
and
application
of
the
racial
equity
instrument.
We
did
talk
about
this
in
the
memo
and
we
are
continuing
to
look
at
the
strategies
we
used
in
2012
and
2013
to
address
the
impacts
of
the
fee
on
both
the
business
and
the
consumer
side
and
work
to
make
those
strategies
even
more
effective.
AJ
We
have
a
big
order
coming
in
soon,
so
we
are
ready
to
make
sure
that
what
we
did
back
10
years
ago
is
even
more
effective
today
and
reduces
those
burdens
and
then
finally
additional
broader-based
community
education,
so
that
everyone
knows
what
to
expect
next
year
and
no
one
is
surprised
and
then
with
single-use
plastics.
If
you
all
just
give
us
a
go
ahead
this
evening,
we
will
start
working
on
developing
a
work
plan
and
an
engagement
process
to
really
just
start
exploring
those
options.
AJ
What
I
highlighted
tonight
was
what
other
cities
have
done,
but
certainly
not
what
we
have
to
do.
So
we
will
be
looking
very
broadly
at
what
we
could
bring
into
our
community,
and
this
will
dovetail
really
really
nicely
with
efforts
we
will
be
taking
on
to
educate
businesses
about
those
other
provisions
of
the
ppra
as
well.
The
styrofoam
ban,
the
plastic
bag
phase
out,
so
we
want
them.
We
want
to
educate
around
that
too,
and
we
can
dovetail
in
engagement
around
these
other
plastics
as
well.
AJ
So
with
that
here
are
my
questions
for
you
all
this
evening.
So
does
council
support
applying
the
disposable
bag
fee
city-wide
to
include
small
stores
that
are
exempt
from
the
state's
ppra
discounts,
will
support
increasing
the
bag
fee
to
20
cents
and
finally,
should
staff
begin
exploring
options
for
a
dish,
additional
single-use
plastic
regulations
to
come
later
late,
2023
early
2024
whenever
we
can
get
it
scheduled?
So
that
concludes
my
presentation.
I'm
happy
to
take
questions
and
I'm
assuming
I
should
stop
sharing
my
screen.
B
X
X
What
was
a
little
distressing
to
me
was
the
fact
that
the
number
doesn't
seem
to
be
dropping
off
other
than
2020,
which
was
anomaly.
We
seem
to
be
kind
of
hovering
in
that
4.5
to
4.7
million
bags
a
year
going
back
many
many
years,
so
so
10
cents
doesn't
seem
to
be
doing
the
trick.
Are
there
any
studies
with
other
cities
that
have
had
bigger
bag
fees,
let's
say
15
or
20
or
25
cents?
AJ
Thank
you
for
that
question.
I
have
not
seen
any
we.
A
lot
of
us
are
watching
louisville
to
see,
but
theirs
has
only
been
implemented
a
few
months,
so
I
have
not
seen
anything.
I
have
been
asked
that
question
very
very
many
times
over
the
years
of
why
we
just
seem
to
be
consistently
at
a
certain
level,
and
it
was
interesting
when
we
we
did
the
original
fee
we
saw
when
we
studied
other
cities
and
countries
back.
AJ
If
I
was
asked
my
personal
opinion
of
why
that's
the
case,
I
do
think
there's
just
a
certain
part
of
the
population:
that's
willing
to
pay
10
cents.
Of
course
we
can't
set
a
fee
based
on
behavior
change,
but
that
is
the
case
and
then
I
also
think
the
new
students
every
year
that
come
in
we
do
try
to
educate
them.
We
work
with
cu,
but
I
do
think
if
they're
coming
from
a
community
without
a
bag
fee,
you
know
they're,
maybe
not
registering
or
when
they're
buying
their
groceries.
AJ
But
what
you're
seeing
in
the
numbers
is
absolutely
our
experience
and
I'm
not
aware
of
any
studies
that
I've
identified
a
pain
point.
There
are
countries
that
have,
I
believe,
as
high
as
like
a
dollar
a
bag,
but
I
haven't
seen
anything
recent
about
what
that
has
done.
X
Thanksgiving
just
second
question
I'll
say
my
my
answers
to
your
questions
till
later.
I
assume
that
one
way
we
could
a
girl
go
about
this.
Let's
say
there
was
an
inclination
to
go
from
10
cents
to
20
cents
that
could
be
phased
in
overtime,
maybe
15
cents
for
a
few
years
and
20
cents
are
some
cities
doing
that,
or
is
that
just
too
much
of
a
pain
in
the
butt?
And
we
should
just
bite
the
bullet
and
go
to
wherever
we're
going
to
go.
AJ
I'm
not
aware
of
any
cities
doing
that
we
could
go
either
way,
we're
happy
to
do
whatever
council's
preferences.
G
G
AJ
So
my
wonderful
colleagues
in
finance
have
been
working
on
some
revenue
modeling.
I
can't
say
I
have
time
I
have
had
time,
given
that
we
moved
this
up
a
week
to
dig
in
they.
They
approached
it
a
few
different
ways
based
on
partly
what
lewisville
is
experiencing,
but
so
I
don't
at
this
point,
but
I'm
happy
to
look
at
that
and
follow
up
with
council
afterwards.
I'm
so
sorry
that
we
don't
have
that
prepared
for
this
evening.
G
No,
that's
all
right,
I
think
part
of
the
question
I
wanted
to
ask
as
well,
because
I'm
looking
at
the
phase
in
later
for
the
smaller
smaller
businesses-
and
you
mentioned-
maybe
possibly
july
1st
2023
and
I'm
trying
to
understand
you
know,
would
it
cost
the
city
a
lot
to
include
those
smaller
stores
and
also
would
the
revenue
balance
the
fact
that
we
would
have
to
need
extra
staffing
to
be
able
to
do
that.
AJ
AJ
I
I
do
feel
that
the
new
fee
revenue,
in
addition
to
what
we
have
already
like
in
the
bank
from
the
existing
fee,
is
enough
to
cover
what
finance
needs
I
have
talked
to
them
about
that,
and
I
know
joel
is
on
the
call
if
we
have
any
further
questions
about
it,
but
it
would
they've
communicated
to
me
that
it
wouldn't
be
a
full-time
person,
but
we
certainly
could
maybe
add
it
to
some
other
duties
that
might
be
needed
and
the
bag
fee
could
help
provide
for
that
additional
resources.
AJ
I
Rachel
mcmark,
it's
great
to
see
you
jamie
harkins,
thanks
for
being
here
tonight,
so
I
am
one
of
those
people
that
has
like
700
bags,
because
I
forget
them
a
lot
and
then
I
buy
new
ones.
So
I
just
wonder,
like
you
know,
with
coffee
shops
where
you
can,
like
you
know,
rent
the
coffee
cup,
basically
take
it
home,
bring
it
back,
they
wash
it.
Is
there
anything
like
that
for
bags
in
other
cities
like?
Is
there
a
program
where
I
could
you
know,
pay
25
cents,
but
get
it
back?
AJ
So
not
like,
I
have
seen
bag
banks
that
are
free,
not
where
you
would
have
to
pay
25
cents,
but
one
of
our
partners
is
the
city
of
fort
collins
and
they
did
put
something
on
the
ballot
last
year
and
I
have
been
talking
to
them
a
ton
because
they
are
in
the
thick
of
it
right
now.
Theirs
just
took
effect
recently,
and
they
are
trying
to
figure
that
piece
out
of
creating
some
sort
of
bag
banks.
AJ
You
have
to
look
at
sanitation
just
because
you
don't
know
if
what
you're
taking
in
is
sanitary,
but
they
are
really
trying
to
figure
out.
So
I'm
excited
to
work
with
them.
That
is
an
idea
because
you're
right,
we
all
have
a
lot
of
bags
at
home,
and
so
I
think
that
we
can
absolutely
pilot
something
like
that
in
boulder
and
have
them
available
to
the
community
whenever
they
want
them.
I
AI
AA
Thank
you,
jamie
and
jonathan.
When
you
introduce
yourself
it's,
you
should
submit
yourself
as
the
director
of
climate
initiative.
So
again,
congratulations.
You
don't
need
to
shy
away
from
that
jonathan,
so
yeah,
my
and
you
you
may
have
said
this
jamie
and
I
may
have
been
percolating
on
something
you
said
earlier
and
then
missed
a
later
point
as
as
such,
with
good
content.
AA
Given
that
there's
the
plastic
checkout
bag
ban
that
begins
in
what
16
months,
are
we
just
trying
to
bridge
the
gap
to
that
point,
and
then,
with
the
ban,
we're
kind
of
good
and
we're
just
dealing
with
disposable
bag
fee
on
the
paper
side
and
some
small
scale
stuff,
and
I'm
just
wondering
like
how?
How
do
we
ramp
up
to
a
ban,
which
is
you
know,
obviously
all
all-encompassing
and
so
do
we
want?
AA
I
mean
so
I'm
just
sort
of
wondering
what
that
sort
of
scaling
to
the
band
looks
like,
and
do
we
want
to
be
more
aggressive
early
on
to
get
to
that
point
so
that
it's
not
just
cold
turkey
band
right
off
the
right
off
the
bat,
and
so
I'm
sort
of
curious
about
how
you
reconcile
that
16
month.
Difference
from
where
we're
at
to
being
a
complete
band.
AJ
Excellent
question:
thank
you.
It
is
a
little
tricky
and
actually
reading
the
bill.
It's
very
confusing
language.
So,
starting
january
1st,
you
are
correct
that
the
it
transitions
to
just
a
fee
on
paper
and
the
plastic
bags
are
phased
out.
They
do
have
like
a
provision
in
there.
That
stores
could
continue
to
give
out
some
plastic
bags
after
january.
AJ
I
think
until
like
june
30th,
if
they
were
purchased
in
part
of
their
inventory
before
january
1st,
so
it
isn't
quite
as
hard
of
a
date
like
it
is
in
the
bill,
but
they
do
allow
for
like
a
phasing
out
of
existing
inventory,
so
stores
aren't
just
throwing
away
cartons
and
cartons
of
bags,
but
you
are
correct
that
it
does
transition
to
that
fee
on
paper.
Now,
if
we
exempt
the
small
stores
that
are
exempt
in
the
ppra,
they
don't
have
a
fee
and
they
don't
have
a
ban.
AJ
So
they
can
continue
handing
out
plastic
bags
and
paper
bags
without
that
fee
under
just
the
state
law.
So
we
would
really.
You
know
if
we
do
include
them
in
the
program
we
could
honestly,
we
could
allow
them
to
keep
a
plastic
option
if
you
all
if
the
council
would
like
to
or
we
could
have
them
also
phase
out.
AJ
You
know
I
would
think
it'd
be
easier
and
more
consistent
to
have
them
phase
out
plastic
along
with
the
rest
of
the
community,
but
that's
sort
of
how
it's
designed
to
sort
of
like
transition,
but
it
is
going
to
be
tricky
and
I
think
it's
our
job
to
really
make
sure
folks
understand
the
dates
in
the
bill,
because
you
read
the
bill,
it
is
very
confusing,
so
we'll
make
sure
they
know
that
they
have
to
start
phasing
them
out
in
january,
so
they
can
plan
ahead
and
hopefully
not
be
have
more
than
like
five
six
months
to
to
phase
out
when
2024
starts.
AA
So
it
just
made
it
fall
up,
so
what
it
does
it
does
it
make
some
sense
to
then
maybe
work
on
a
stiffer
fee
early
on
to
not
incentivize
the
hoarding
of
bags
that
you
have
that
six-month
back
end
so
that
they
kind
of
take
that
sticker
shock
is
a
little
harder
up
front.
So
you're
not
pooling.
Does
that
does
that
will
or
or
is
it
so
cheap
and
both
purchasing?
That's
really
irrelevant
and
they're
going
to
hang
on
to
them,
regardless
yeah.
AJ
I
I
don't
really
think
it
would
really
matter
to
be
honest,
a
lot
of
the
bigger
stores
you
know
the
fee
is
already
at
kingsupers
they're
working
to
transition
plastic
out
totally
on
their
own.
I
don't.
I
don't
really
think
it
would
result
in
that,
but
I,
like
your
line
of
thinking,.
C
V
Thank
you.
That
was
a
great
presentation.
I
I
have
a
few
questions
back
in
2012
when
you
were,
there,
council
walked
back
from
a
20
cent,
a
bag
fee
to
a
10
cent,
a
bag
fee
out
of
concern
for
the
economically
disadvantaged.
V
AJ
Yes,
that's
an
excellent
question.
I
think
we
back
in
2012.
We
were
one
of
the
first
cities
to
try
this,
and
so
there
was
a
lot
of
concern
for
how
folks
in
the
community
who
are
of
lower
means
would
react
and
participate
or
not
in
the
program.
I
can
say
that,
so
we
do
have
an
exemption
in
there
to
exempt
folks
on
food
assistance
programs,
and
I
will
say,
anecdotally.
AJ
Over
the
years,
I've
heard
folks
like
store
managers
report
to
me
that
they
they
don't
want
to
be
exempt
like
they
want
to
participate
in
waste
reduction
in
the
community.
I
would
by
no
means
assume
that
that
is
universal.
That
is
just
anecdotally.
What
a
few
stories
I've
heard.
But
to
answer
your
question,
I
don't
think
much
has
changed,
but
I
do
think
the
culture
around
disposability
has
changed
a
little
and
we
have
spent
the
last
10
years
getting
bags
out
to
the
community.
So
every
single
year
we
are
giving
away
bags
at
events.
AJ
We
are
providing
thousands
to
every
food
bank
in
boulder.
We
have
really
kind
of
flooded
the
community,
along
with
everyone
else,
with
the
reusable
bag
shwag,
and
so
it's
not
that
their
means
have
changed
and
to
be
argued.
A
lot
of
folks
have
rougher
economic
means
now,
maybe
than
in
2012,
but
I
do
think
we're
in
a
different
place,
culturally,
where
we
can
make
sure
they
have
the
bags
they
need
available.
We
actually
mailed
them
out
back
in
2012,
which
is
something
we
can
do
as
well.
AJ
We
did
a
little
bit
of
canvassing
door-to-door
in
certain
neighborhoods,
so
I
think
council
back
then
was
just
unsure
of
how
it
would
work
in
the
community
and
wanting
to
just
test
the
waters,
and
then
we
we
have
sort
of
let
it
ride
since
then,
so
I
absolutely
would
understand
opinion
to
keep
it
at
10
cents
out
of
that
concern.
So
thank
you.
V
Have
you
done
much
outreach
to
the
business
community
on
on
this
and
gotten
much
feedback
I
mean?
Has
there
been,
I
guess,
I'm
asking?
Are
you
formulating
these
proposals
simply
from
the
environmental
perspective
or
you're
looking
at
all
at
the
impact
on
businesses
in
the
community.
AJ
Yes,
I
did
anticipate
that
question.
We
did
discuss
internally
in
outreach
to
business
and
we
are
meeting
with
the
chamber
and
our
other
economic
development
partners
in
a
few
weeks,
and
this
is
one
of
the
items.
But
I
will
say
these
recommendations
are
crafted
on
our
climate
and
circular
economy
goals,
with
with
obviously
a
recognition
of
the
burden
on
business
because
of
the
phase
in
and
trying
to
provide
them
resources.
AJ
AJ
Yes
include
us
in
this
in
this
program,
and
so
we
do
intend
to,
like,
I
said,
meet
with
business
partners,
reach
out
to
a
lot
of
other
businesses
and
make
sure
any
concerns
they
have
are
addressed
both
in
the
ordinance
as
well
as
what
we
do
to
implement
it
in
the
next
handful
of
months
and
the
next
year,
and
so
we
will
absolutely
be
listening
to
their
concerns
and
but
the.
But
the
recommendation
is
shaped
on
our
goals
around
climate
and
waste
reduction.
V
V
In
the
memo
there's
discussion
about
the
revenues
that
have
been
generated
by
our
program
when
you
stake
those
revenues
is
that
is
that
net
of
the
cost
of
administration.
V
AJ
That
may
I'll
see
joel's
turning
his
camera
on
the
bag
fee.
I
can
say
that
the
bag
fee
has
not
been
to
date
transferring
money
over
to
cover
personnel
expenses
in
the
finance
department,
so
we've
been
using
the
bag
fee
revenue
for
other
things
like
the
reusable
bag
giveaways
in
the
community,
the
food
banks,
we've
purchased
very
large
equipment
purchases,
as
I
put
in
the
memo,
but
joel
can
speak
to.
AJ
V
AK
All
right
how
about
now
it's
a
little
better,
all
right!
Thanks
the
precautions,
you
you,
you
take
to
make
sure
that
the
eight-year-old
doesn't
disrupt
a
council
meeting.
Sometimes
thank
you
when
you
get
called
up
and
apologies
so
joel
wagner,
deputy
director
of
finance,
so
currently
we're
we're
absorbing
the
the
costs
of
administration
just
based
on
other
departmental
functions.
Our
tax
system
has
a
disposable
bag.
Fee
return,
that's
already
built
into
the
system,
so
the
cost
of
administering
a
couple
of
dozen
accounts
is
pretty
minimal,
as
jamie
mentioned.
AK
If
we
do
expand
this
significantly,
there
may
be
increased
costs
in
the
interim
as
we
ramp
that
up
provide
education,
follow
up
with
taxpayers
who
forget
to
file
their
first
few
returns
and
things
like
that,
but
based
on
council's
feedback,
we
would
do
some
modeling
and
let
you
know
what
that
would
look
like.
Yeah.
A
AJ
V
And
I'm
not
suggesting
you,
you
need
to
know
offhand.
It
would
be
nice,
however,
to
take
a
look
at
it
and
when
you
come
back
to
us,
okay
tell
us
whether
we're
doing
something
that
that's
entirely
unique
or
whether
there's
a
lot
of
precedent
for
a
20
bag
fee
as
opposed
to
a
10
cent
back
fee.
AI
Councilmember,
just
one
quick
comment
there.
I
appreciate
the
question:
it's
completely
reasonable
and
going
back
to
something
jimmy
said.
I
would
just
point
out
that
I
think
there
are.
AI
We
are
ahead
of
a
lot
of
the
cities
that
really
have
no
system
set
up
yet,
and
so
I
think
we're
just
looking
at
a
handful
of
communities
that
had
already
enacted
some
kind
of
plastic
bag
fee,
and
so
I
think
we
can
come
back
to
you
and
talk
about
more
of
a
global
view
to
see
what's
going
on,
not
only
in
colorado
but
in
other
states,
and
that
might
be
helpful
to
kind
of
get
to
the
point
that
you're
raising.
AI
But
but
again
I
think
a
point
that
jimmy
made
that
just
bears
repeating
kind
of
to
your
earlier
question.
You
know
we
have
to
bring
our
ordinance
in
compliance
with
the
state
requirements,
and
so
our
choices
are
somewhat
limited.
We
can
keep
at
the
same
level,
we
can
increase
the
level
and
we
can
look
at
how
we
expand
or
not
the
the
program
to
all
businesses
or
not.
AI
So
we
have
a
few
few
toggles
that
we
can
pull
here,
but
otherwise
I
just
want
to
say
for
those
listening
at
home
that
again,
our
purpose
here
is
to
bring
our
ordinance
in
compliance
with
the
state
law,
and
we
can
do
that
in
in
a
few
different
ways,
but
certainly
we
can
bring
back
some
of
those
details
to
you.
Okay,.
V
And
I
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that
that
we're
getting
a
benefit
from
this
and
that
the
the
major
impact
of
it
is
not
simply
to
make
the
cost
of
living
in
boulder
even
higher
than
it
already
is,
because
it's
as
we
all
know
it
is
pretty
steep
and
that's
really
all
I'm
I'm
trying
to
get
at
here
all
right.
That's
my
questions.
G
Thank
you
and
I
appreciate
the
comments
made
by
mark
about
small
businesses
and
I
was
looking
at
the
memo,
the
part
that
talks
about
racial
equity
instruments
and
how
that
has
been
used
or
applied,
and
it
talks
about
small
businesses
and
minority-owned
businesses
and
the
implementation
side,
how
that
could
negatively
impact
them.
So
my
question
to
you
and
I
look
quickly,
I
didn't
see-
and
I
do
see
the
part
that
hey
we'll
continuously
look
at
this,
but
I'm
wondering
what
are
some
of
the
mechanism
that
maybe
your
office
is
looking
into
to.
G
I
I
don't
know,
maybe
protect
these
small
businesses
to
lessen
the
impact
of
this
new
policy
that
we're
looking
into.
AJ
Thank
you,
council
member.
I
think
a
few,
a
few
answers
to
that.
The
first
is
many
of
you
know:
we
have
an
annual
contract
with
the
pace,
business
advising
team
that
we
revisit
and
we
do
a
new
scope
of
work
every
year
and
they
have
a
current
equity
program
that
is
restaurant
focus
and
that
those
advisors
who
are
fluent
in
a
few
different
languages
are
so
amazing
in
getting
out
to
some
of
our
businesses
and
getting
them
involved
in
our
programs.
AJ
And
so
we
were
looking
at
maybe
transitioning
on
that
contract
next
year
to
include
outreach
to
some
of
the
retail
businesses
who
will
need
to
comply
with
or
not
depending
on
the
direction
you
all
would
like
to
go
in.
So
that's
one
avenue
and
then
the
other
is
that
sorry,
I'm
having
a
little
bit
of
a
mind
blowing
here.
AJ
You
know
back
when
we
did
the
fee
in
2012.
We
really
invited
them
personally
into
like
a
stakeholder
group
and
made
sure
that
they
had
the
resources
they
needed,
and
that
is
where
I
received
the
anecdotal
information
that
a
lot
of
these
international
markets.
AJ
We
discussed
this
back
in
2012
wanted
to
participate
in
the
program
because
you
know
back
where
in
their
country
of
origin,
for
example,
we
don't
they
never
use
plastic
bags
and
they-
and
so
just
it
was
super
interesting
for
me
to
learn
culturally
the
thoughts
around
waste
and
what
we're
producing.
And
so
I
think
we
would
replicate
some
of
the
approaches
we
did
in
2012
to
really
outreach
one-on-one
to
those
businesses.
AJ
We
know
may
have
language
and
technology
barriers
and
really
make
sure
they
have
the
resources
they
need,
and
then
I
I
do
know,
we've
outreached
or
I've
emailed
the
latino
chamber
as
well
to
set
up
a
meeting
to
talk
to
them
and
hopefully
through
our
partners,
which
we
have
a
lot
more
partners
than
we
did
back
in
2012.
AJ
We
can
really
work
to
make
sure
that
there
aren't
barriers
to
understanding
the
program
and
what
they
need
to
do.
So
we
didn't
have
any
issues
in
2012,
and
so
I
shouldn't
say
that,
of
course,
there
were
there
were
issues,
but
we
really
worked
really
hard
to
mitigate
them,
and
so
I
anticipate
in
adding
a
lot
more
businesses
to
the
program.
We
would
take
all
of
these
contracts.
We
have
existing
in
our
department
and
really
focus
them
on
making
that
as
easy
as
possible.
B
Okay,
so
great
questions,
I've
got
one
speaking
of
making
things
easier
for
small
businesses.
Have
we
thought
about
adding
more
of
a
share
back
to
businesses
with
the
20
cent
fee,
because,
right
now
it's
four
and
six.
Are
we
thinking
about
passing
along
some
of
that
additional
fee
to
the
businesses.
AJ
Yes,
the
current
ordinance,
the
way
it
is
drafted.
I
double
checked
this
earlier,
it's
40,
so
if
we
kept
that
they
would
receive
eight
of
it
back,
we
can
certainly
adjust
that,
though,
if
if
council
would
like
to
do
50
to
each,
we
could
do
that.
We
really
can
it's
our
ordinance,
so
we
can
as
long
as
we
meet
that
state
criteria
of
at
least
the
the
four
out
of
ten
so
40
going
back
to
them.
We
would
be
in
compliance.
B
Great
well
I'll
just
make
a
comment
on
that
particular
one,
since
I
just
brought
it
up
just
that,
I
think
that's
a
great
thing
to
do.
Outreach
on
and
also
kind
of
with,
the
sharp
and
pencils
and
the
revenue
projections
is
to
see
you
know
because,
as
you
mentioned,
this
can
be
a
revenue
source
for
small
for
small
businesses,
so
we're
going
to
be
what's
like
850
businesses
that
have
to
do
this
that
didn't
before
and
if
they
actually
are
getting
something
significant
out
of
this,
I
think
it'll
be
much
more
appealing
to
them.
B
B
So
if
we
can,
if
you
can
put
your
questions
to
us
back
up
and
y'all
it's
10
o'clock
in
the
interest
of
some
efficiency,
I'm
going
to
start
from
a
baseline
of
how
to
you
know,
are
we
okay
with
the
staff
recommendations
on
each
one,
and
then
you
can.
You
know,
disagree
if
you
want
to,
but
I'm
going
to
start
start
with
this,
so
I'm
going
to
say:
can
we
say
that
we
do
we
support
applying
the
disposable
bags
citywide
to
include
small
stores
per
the
staff
recommendation?
B
B
V
Yeah,
I
would
prefer
actually
to
ramp
up
on
this.
I
I
don't
really
have
a
problem,
ultimately
with
the
20
cent,
although
I'd
like
to
have
a
little
more
data
about
it.
With
respect
to
the
questions
I've
already
asked,
but
if
that's
the
direction
we
want
to
head,
I
I
prefer
to
have,
instead
of
doubling
it
overnight,
I
prefer
to
see
it
ramped
up
over
a
couple
of
years
and
let
it
sink
in,
and
people
adjust.
X
Yeah,
I'm
not
ready
to
stroll
pull
tonight
and
turn
it
to
a
binary,
yes
or
no.
I
I
I'd
like
to
get
the
answers
to
questions
I
asked
before.
I
would
probably
support
it,
but
I'd
like
to
see
information
about
ramp
up
I'd
like
to
see
information
about
what
the
the
point
is,
where
people
stop
buying
bags.
So
I'd
like
to
have
a
little
more
information
if
staff
could
just
bring
forward
maybe
two
or
three
proposals
with
some
more
data
that
would
be
great
lauren.
F
Yeah,
I
really
like
the
point
that
you
brought
up
aaron
about
looking
at
how
the
fee,
how
much
of
it
is
given
back
to
the
businesses
versus
how
much
the
city
takes
in
especially
trying
to
keep
in
mind
small.
You
know
the
needs
of
small
businesses
and
trying
to
help
support
minority
owned
businesses
as
well.
H
Yeah
I've
been
trying
to
figure
out
where
to
fit.
In
this
comment,
I
think
it
sort
of
overlaps
with
the
second
and
third
questions,
so
I'm
just
gonna
say
it
here,
and
this
will
kind
of
count
towards
the
single-use
plastics
discussion
too.
You
know
that
recent
climate
tax
poll
that
we
did
of
voters
right
show
that
climate
is
a
top
issue
for
more
than
a
third
of
our
community.
H
So
you
know
in
this
in
this
case,
where
we're
charging
for
plastic
bag
use,
we're
penalizing
use,
but
incentivizing
behavior
is
a
much
more
effective
tool
for
individual
behavior
change
than
penalties,
and
so
one
of
the
things
that
I'm
curious
about-
and
maybe
this
would
come
back
when
we
kind
of
revisit
the
the
plastic
bag
fee.
What
would
it
cost
to
pay
shoppers
to
stop
using
plastic
bags?
H
So,
for
example,
what
if
we
paid
people
25
cents
per
bag
that
they
bring
in,
I
mean
what
are
some
ways
that
we
can
think
about
incentivizing
this
behavior
rather
than
penalizing
it
because
I
think
our
community,
you
know,
at
least
for
that
poll,
really
showed
that
we
care
a
lot
about
climate,
and
you
know.
H
I
think
that
if,
if
our
community
is
caring
about
it,
this
much-
let's
start
investing
in
it
and
to
me
this
comes
down
to
single-use
plastics
as
well
they're,
terrible
terrible
for
a
community
for
the
environment
for
the
communities
where,
where
these
things
are
generated,
how
do
we
start
incentivizing
people
for
massive
changes
in
their
behavior
and
how
do
we
start
providing
the
support
to
businesses
and
other
folks
to
help
them
make
that
transition?
AD
H
There's
there's
lots
of
creative
ways
of
thinking
about
doing
that,
but
that's
just
just
in
general,
like,
yes,
I'm
supportive,
and
I
think
there
are
better
better
options
that
we
haven't
thought
about
yet,
and
I
would
just
like
to
encourage
us
if
we
were
gonna,
try,
incentivizing
and
investing
in
climate
solutions.
C
V
I
just
want
to
say
I
agree
entirely
with
nicole's
point
not
that
we're
not
going
to
raise
the
bag
fee,
but
that
we
need
to
put
in
a
component
of
incentivization,
not
just
putting
the
hammer
on
people
and
saying
you
know
we're
going
to
hit
you
in
the
wallet,
and
there
are
probably
a
bunch
of
clever
ideas
we
can
use
to
to
encourage
people
not
to
use
bags
and
that
ought
to
go
hand
in
hand
with
whatever
we're
doing
in
terms
of
raising
fees.
V
To
me,
it's
always
been
a
little
simplistic.
To
simply
say
you
know
we
we're
going
to
change
behavior
by
making
it
more
expensive
for
people
who
are
well
to
do
it's
a
rounding.
E
V
For
people
who
are
not,
it
becomes
a
little
more
burdensome,
so
I
I
think,
nicole's
on
to
something
and
I'd
like
to
see
you
come
back
with
some
aspects
that
go
beyond
simply
raising
the
fee.
But
how
do
we
create
some
incentives
for
better
behavior.
AI
I'm
smart,
I'm
sorry
mayor
can
I
just
can
I
can
I
respond?
Would
that
be
okay?
I
can't
help
myself.
I
apologize.
I
know
there
was
no.
I
know
there
was
no
question
there,
but
I
just
wanted
to
remark
that
I
really
appreciate
those
comments.
I
think,
with
respect
to
the
overall
single-use
plastics
issue.
That
area
has
a
lot
of
margin
for
creativity
and
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
jimmy
talked
about
the
repeater
program.
AI
For
example,
I
think
we
can
absolutely
start
talking
about
how
we
create
incentives
and
opportunities
for
people
to
really
start
shifting
their
behavior
in
terms
of
overall
plastics
use.
AI
G
Thank
you.
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you,
nicole,
for
bringing
this
idea
of
incentivizing
the
use
of
maybe
reusable
bags
or
also,
I
think,
there's
something
in
the
memo
about
educating
people.
I
welcome
that
as
well.
I
think
that's
great,
you
know
everyone
you
know
are
different.
Some
people
need
a
little
bit
more
education
around
how
they
use
plastic
in
the
community,
so
that
would
be
great
and
I'm
actually
in
the
same
position
as
some
of
my
other
colleagues
as
well.
G
What
I
really
would
like
to
see
is,
I
know
you
mentioned
the
other
program
within
the
equity
as
part
of
equity,
but
I
wanted
to
know
what
are
some
of
the
concrete
steps,
especially
for
small
businesses,
because
20
cents
is
a
lot
right
and
not
only
that
around
the
implementation.
If
it's
a
small
business
of
let's
say
it's
one
person
right
and
it's
a
business
that
is
frequented
a
lot
by
the
community.
How
do
they
you
know?
How
do
they
keep
on
top
of
this
new
requirement?
G
So
I
think,
knowing
what
it
is
and
how
the
city
intend
to
build
their
capacity,
because,
again
a
big
corporation
they'll
be
able
to
figure
it
out.
They've
already
have
the
system
on
lockdown,
but
now
you're,
bringing
in
brand
new
small
businesses.
You
have
to
build
their
capacity
in
order
for
them
to
stay.
You
know
to
be
able
to
to
engage
in
this
process
and
still
be
sustainable.
So
I
think
that's
very
important
to
keep
that
in
mind.
But
overall
I
think
I
I
I
really
appreciate
all
the
work.
I
appreciate
the
memo.
G
I
just
think
it's
it's
full
of
information
that
I
find
very
important
and
useful,
and
I
think
your
you
know
your
answers.
Around
equity
was
was
very
well
thought
of
so
in
the
education
piece
to
me.
Was
that
again,
that's
another
equity
piece
as
well.
So
thank
you
so
much.
B
Thanks
so
can
you
say
the
folks
who
haven't
spoken
out?
Are
you
kind
of
broadly
okay,
with
going
to
20
cents,
subject
to
some
of
the
comments
that
people
have
made?
B
Okay
generally
seeing
some
thumbs
up
so
I'll
just
add
in
you
know
the
comment
here
that
I
think
people
have
made
some
excellent
comments
and
suggestions
here.
So
I
think
the
you
know
jamie.
I
think
the
direction
we're
going
is
yes,
but
subject
to
some
creative
thinking
about.
You
know
how
it
faces
in
for
small
businesses
in
particular
how
either
from
a
time
perspective
or
a
dollar
perspective
like?
B
Is
it
easier
or
harder
like
would,
and
this
is
a
great
place
to
talk
to
the
chambers
in
the
community,
would
you
rather
have
it
phase
into
15
before
it
goes
to
20
or
or
not?
You
know,
and
if
there's
a
clear
message
there
then
that's
a
message
we
can
follow
and
you
know
great
great
points
on
incentives
and
avoiding
disparate
impacts,
and
so
I
know
you
all
are
very
very
good
at
this
stuff,
so
is.
Is
that
direction
that
you
can
work
with.
AJ
It
is
indeed,
I
always
love
a
creative
thinking
challenge
so
and
so
does
jonathan.
So
we
will
put
our
brains
together
and
answer
your
questions
and
have
some
ideas.
B
Great,
I
love
it
and
then
the
questions
about
then
the
last
one
is
about
proceeding
with
some
form
of
single-use
plastics
regulations,
and
can
I
just
ask
a
clarifying
question
process
here.
I
assume
that
the
next
step
would
be
a
study
session
where
we
talk
over
options
right.
It's
not
like
you're,
going
to
bring
us
back
an
ordinance
with
all
these
details,
all
right
now,
so
just
to
be
clear.
If
we
give
the
thumbs
up
to
this,
you
know
in
some
number
of
months,
you'll
come
back
and
be
like
here.
Here's
our
ideas.
B
What
do
you
think
so
with
that
framing
are
people?
Do
people
want
to
see
this
move
forward
with
ideas
to
come
back
to
us
some
some
months
from
now,
let's
see
I'm
seeing
nodding
heads
I'm
not
seeing
any
thumbs
down,
so
it
feels
like
good
but
nicole.
You
also
have
your
hand
up.
H
Yes,
I
just
wanted
to
ask:
I
know
you
all
are
going
to
be
thinking
about
the
racial
equity
instrument
and
applying
it
here.
It
would
also
be
amazing
to
talk
with
the
center
for
people
with
disabilities,
just
because
I
know
that
there's
been
a
lot
of
issues
within
the
disability
community
with
some
of
those
straw
transitions
and
I
would
just
love
to
have
their
perspective
understanding
what
some
of
the
concerns
may
be.
That
would
disproportionately
impact
them.
So
whenever
you
come
back
with
ideas,
I
would
love
their
input
as
well.
AJ
Thank
you
so
much
and
yes,
mayor
brockett,
similar
to
what
we
did
for
the
bag
fee
council
gave
us
general
direction.
We
brought
back
about
four
or
five
options
at
a
study
session
and
then
we
went
on
to
develop
an
ordinance
for
the
bag
fee
from
there.
So
I
would
anticipate
like
late
late
2023
likely
for
something
this
comprehensive
to
do
the
process
properly.
B
Okay,
great
great
well,
it
looks
like
we're
very
interested
in.
I
think
I'll
speak
from
for
my
colleagues
to
say
this
is
an
exciting
opportunity
that
the
legislature
has
granted
us
one
that
our
community
has
been
really
interested
in
for
a
long
time.
I'll.
D
That
is
correct,
sir,
and
that
is
our
item
number
eight
tonight
matters
from
the
mayor
and
members
of
council.
Eight
a
is
the
living
wage
update
to
be
presented
by
council
member
folkerts.
F
Looking
forward
to
starting
so
we
have
our
first
information
session
that
we're
hoping
to
hold
at
the
end
of
september.
Our
current
strategy
is
to
do
a
couple
rounds
of
outreach.
Each
round
starts
with
a
session
hosted
by
the
working
group.
That's
focused
on
providing
information
to
our
fellow
electeds,
and
then
the
working
group
would
help
support,
offering
help
to
all
our
fellow
communities
to
help
host
those
meetings
in
their
own
communities,
so
that
you
know
each
forum
is
tailored
to
that
community
and
hosted
by
one
of
their
own
electeds.
F
So
that's
kind
of
an
outline
of
where
we're
at
right
now
tonight,
I'm
asking
for
an
out
of
five
to
support
to
get
some
staff
support
to
continue,
exploring
all
options
for
regional
collaboration,
developing
a
draft
work
plan
and
timeline
for
a
local
wage
ordinance
for
a
community
conducting
necessary
outreach
within
our
own
community.
B
That's
that's
great
lauren.
Well,
I'm
really
very
appreciative
to
you
the
work
that
you're
doing
in
this
regional
collaboration
and
I'll
just
mention
as
well
that
I'm
doing
some
outreach
to
mayors
and
other
council
members
in
some
of
the
other
cities
that
are
engaged
in
this
effort
to
kind
of
try
to
do
some.
You
know
cross
support
for
the
initiative,
and
so
I
think
we're
got
a
group
of
us
working
on
this
hard
nerd.
You
want
to
say
something
we'll
go
to
mark.
T
T
The
current
outlying
staff
has
capacity
4
to
assist
in
this
in
this
work
as
that
ramps
up.
Potentially,
we
will
think
about
that
again
next
year,
but
right
now
we
were
comfortable
moving
forward
and
supporting
council
member
focus
and
this
moving
forward
so
just
know
that
staff
is
supportive.
V
But
there
you
just
answered
my
question,
which
was
you
know:
do
we
have
the
the
staff
support
and
can
we
handle
it
answer?
Given
so
end
of
my
comment.
B
Great,
so
I
guess
this
then
I'll
ask
for
a
knot
of
five,
but
maybe
we'll
call
it
a
show
of
hands.
Do
we
have
five
hands
to
say,
support
staff
working
on
this?
That
looks
unanimous
excellence.
B
B
All
right
very
good,
any
final
comments:
everybody.
B
B
B
All
right,
so
you
know
their
hands
gamble,
meeting
close
at
10
18
pm
thanks.
Everyone
have
a
good
night.