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A
A
Will
still
start
out
with
it,
even
though
mr.
Applebaum
is
in
here
so
because
so
many
of
our
outgoing
members
aren't
going
to
be
here
next
week
we
were
gonna,
stop
start
by
honoring
them
tonight,
and
this
is
bittersweet
say
goodbye
to
people
that
we've
spent
many
many
hours
with
over
the
last
few
years,
but
also
joyous
and
envious
that
they
will
now
have
free
Tuesday
evenings
from
here
forth.
So
with
that,
why
don't
we
start
out
with
mr.
Yates?
C
Jen
has
been
a
champion
of
the
city's
arts
and
culture
community
and
has
served
on
the
boards
of
several
music
nonprofits,
including
e
town,
Colorado,
Music,
Festival
and
Center
for
musical
arts
and
serves
on
the
music
advisory
board
at
the
Cu
College
of
Music
Jan
has
volunteered
as
a
raptor
monitor
for
the
city,
helping
to
protect
raptors
in
their
mating
season.
An
important
offer
to
effort
to
ensure
their
populations,
thrive
and
Jan
has
vowed
to
visit
each
and
every
National
Park
in
the
United
States.
C
And
while
we
will
miss
Jen
terribly
on
the
City
Council,
we
are
happy
that
she
will
have
the
time
to
continue
her
tour
of
the
parks
and
we
only
ask
her
to
send
us
photos
from
time
to
time.
We,
the
members
of
the
City
Council
and
the
city
of
Boulder,
recognize
appreciate
and
honor
the
service
on
city
council
of
Jan
Burton
and
as
a
hearse.
If
account
contribution
to
the
city
and
community.
D
Really
prepared
to
say
anything:
I
did
try
to
represent
voices
of
people.
I
thought
we're
not
being
heard
and
I
worked
as
hard
as
I
could
the
last
two
years.
It
is
not
an
easy
job,
but
it's
been
an
honor
to
represent
both
the
city
as
well
as
our
citizens.
So
thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
for
this
Thank.
A
E
Served
as
a
dedicated
member
of
the
city's
audit
and
management
compensation
committees,
the
Board
of
Commissioners
for
the
Boulder
Housing,
cart
partners,
the
Uni
hill
reinvestment
group,
the
cities
excels,
negotiating
team,
the
Housing
Strategy
subcommittee
and
as
the
city's
representative
to
the
Lhasa
city
sister
city.
Throughout
his
time
on
council
andrew,
has
continued
to
practice
law
and
to
maintain
his
reputation
as
a
top
litigator
in
the
region,
while
simultaneously
earning
the
respect
from
all
his
council.
Colleagues
for
his
razor-sharp
intellect
and
succinct
comments.
E
None
of
such
traits,
reflected
in
here
andrew,
has
been
a
tireless
champion
of
enhancing
the
quality
of
life
for
his
University
Hill
resident
and
business
neighbors
and
through
persistence,
wisdom
and
ability
to
build
consensus
has
crass
crafted
strategic
and
tactical
approaches
to
achieving
sustainable
changes
that
have
won
him.
The
first
ever
LAN
through
pused
philanthropist
and
the
admiration
of
all,
except
maybe
his
beer
pong
playing
constituents
but
I'm
sure
I'm
sure
they
appreciate
you.
E
Andrews
substantials
talents
go
far
beyond
the
council
chambers
or
the
court
room
and
will
and
include
being
a
skilled
musician
and
a
devoted
husband
and
father
of
children.
Who
undoubtedly
will
relish
having
him
released
from
city
indenture
ship.
We,
the
members
of
the
City
Council
of
the
city
of
Boulder.
We
all
recognize,
appreciate
and
honor
the
service
on
city
council
and
the
many
significant
contributions
to
the
city
and
community
made
by
you.
E
A
A
A
Is
we
reordered
the
agenda
in
terms
of
the
public
hearings,
so
assuming
council
agrees,
we
will
have
the
liquor
occupation,
tax
discussion
first,
followed
by
a
discussion
of
sexually
violent
predators,
followed
by
Boulder
Valley
comp
plan
map,
changes
for
Nold
in
Spring
Valley,
and
then
we've
added
one
item,
which
is
a
request
for
not
of
five
to
direct
staff,
to
investigate
the
possibility
of
having
the
city
join
a
lawsuit
against
leading
oil
companies
for
cost
incurred
because
of
climate
change
and
I
have
a
motion
to
that
effect.
So
move.
G
F
So
this
is
the
time
of
the
meeting
where
we
talk
about
that.
We
have
the
mayor
and
Mayor
Pro
Tem
speeches
of
interest
and
I've
taken
the
microphone
here,
because
I
suspect,
mayor
Jones
may
express
interest
in
something
and
in
the
process
here
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
Tom
is
that
that
it
doesn't
matter
whether
you're
expressing
interest
in
the
mayor
mayor
mayor
or
mayor
pro-tem,
there's
no
specific
order
just
indicate
whether
you
have
an
interest
in
addressing
one
of
those,
and
you
have
a
maximum
of
five
minutes
to
do
so.
H
F
I
J
E
Can
I
say
something
first,
so
I'm
not
going
to
throw
my
hat
in
for
mayor
mayor
pro-tem,
but
I
do
want
to
just
speak
two
seconds
about
the
role
of
CAC
and
I
want
to
reiterate.
The
role
of
CAC
is
to
sket
council
agenda
committee
and
agenda
setting
committee
and
the
council
agenda.
Setting
committee
meets
every
Monday
from
eight
to
nine
and
it's
composed
of
the
mayor.
E
I
think
it's
important
for
our
staff,
in
terms
of
them
being
able
to
work
the
next
day
at
a
reasonable
hour
and
I'm,
saying
that
for
you,
Tom
no
I'm,
saying
it
for
all
this
that
and
more
most
importantly,
it's
really
important
for
our
public
to
be
able
to
watch
our
deliberations
and
our
discussions
and
be
able
to
know
when
things
are
set.
So
with
that,
that's
all
I
have
to
say
sounds
like
a
pitch.
F
K
Both
of
us
would
be
happy
with
the
results,
so
I
wanted
to
state
that
up
front
and
I
also
was
just
wanting
to
give
a
few
reasons
as
to
why
I'm
interested
and
one
of
the
reasons
is,
as
Lisa
just
stated,
the
council
agenda
committee,
which
the
mayor
attends
on
a
weekly
basis
and
is
responsible
for
actually
leading
that
meeting
the
council
agenda
committee,
as
well
as
the
weekly
or
device
monthly
meetings
up
here.
So
I
have
had
experience
in
managing
meetings.
K
I
was
chair
of
the
city's
Planning
Board
and
I
managed
to
lead
us
through
whether
that
one
of
the
most
difficult
meetings
I
think
ever
in
the
history
of
the
city
of
Boulder
Planning
Board,
which
was
a
17-hour
hearing
on
who
contain
cost
and
did
so
efficiently.
As
well,
I
was
also
twice
the
top
vote-getter
and
the
second
time
as
an
incumbent
which
is
highly
unusual
for
an
incumbent
to
receive
the
highest
number
of
votes.
I
Whoever
the
council
chooses
that
to
be
to
keep
things
in
good
shape
and
on
the
right
track
and
I
would
be
a
resource
and
available
to
all
councilmembers.
If
you
had
something
that
you
want
to
discussed
at
the
CAC
meeting,
I
would
be
available.
You
know
all
weekend
give
me
a
call
or
send
me
an
email
text.
What
have
you
my
goal
would
be
to
try
to
serve
the
wishes
at
the
whole
council.
I
A
Think
I
might
be
a
little
longer.
So
I
want
to
echo
what
Mary
just
said
about
whatever
we
end
up
deciding
is
gonna
be
fine,
but
I
would
say
it's
been
a
huge
honor
to
serve
as
mayor
of
the
city.
It
is
not
a
well
I've
taken
lightly
and
I
would
ask
you
guys,
can
consider
me
for
one
more,
only
one
more
term
in
that
role
and
I
I
think
it's
important
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
role
mayor
in
in
Boulder.
It's
a
two
week
mayor.
A
It's
an
equal
among
peers
and
I
think
that's
exactly
the
way
it
should
be
I,
think
of
it,
sort
of,
as
maybe
a
team
captain
you're,
not
the
star
player
you're,
not
supposed
to
take
all
the
shots
you're
just
supposed
to
help
trying
to
bring
out
the
best
in
other
people
or
the
collective
and
I
think
that
that's
important
in
general.
What
I
have
found
is
two
years
is
pretty
short
the
first
year
you're
trying
to
figure
out
the
expectations
that
roll
around
mayorship
second
year.
A
You
feel
like,
maybe
you
got
it
and
then
it's
over
I
do
think.
Four
years
is
probably
two
plenty
and
I
am
remembering.
You
know
Matt
served
four
years,
and
then
it
was
time
it
was
time
for
change
and
we
sort
of
I
think
gently
move
them
over.
The
whole
idea
is
being
not
to
get
too
attached
to
the
role.
It's
not
about
you.
It's
about
the
role
of
mayor
and
I.
A
Think
that
should
be
so
regardless
of
number
of
years,
though
I
think
get
the
look,
get
the
leadership
you
want
and,
as
you
think,
I'm
doing
a
great
job
or
a
good
job
having
hanging
around,
and
if
you
want
change,
that's
absolutely
fine
and
one
of
the
I
think
there's
there's
two
big
roles
for
the
mayor.
One
of
them
is
sort
of
the
internal
to
the
city
role,
which
is
leading
the
meetings
and
one
of
the
big
issues.
A
When
I
became
mayor
with
shorter
meetings,
and
that
has
been
a
collective
end
endeavor,
we
have
remember
when
they
were
always
to
midnight
at
least
and
often
till
12:30,
and
we've
made
great
progress
and
I.
Don't
take
I.
Just
take
a
little
bit
of
credit
for
that
in
trying
to
nudge
us
along
and
to
find
that
right
balance.
There
are
times
I've
been
too
impatient.
A
You'll
have,
let
me
know
when
that
was
and
I've
adjusted
accordingly,
but
I
just
would
say
it's
an
art
form
to
herd
the
cats
and
half
the
council's
like
hurry
up
and
the
other
half
is
like
wait.
I
have
more
to
say
and
just
finding
that
right,
balance
and
I
think
it's
important,
but
the
other
role
is
external
and
out
there.
A
Every
two
years
there's
subtraction
we
get
from
having
some
continuity
there
and
so
there's
a
trade-off
there,
and
then
we
should
just
think
about
it.
I
feel
like
after
six
years
on
CML
and
finally
getting
some
of
the
good
old
boys
to
listen
to
me,
but
a
lot
of
that
has
to
do
is
because
I
got
mayor
behind
my
name.
A
lot
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
craft
solutions
here
and
then
ripple
them
out
and
be
a
leader
within
our
regions
and
to
others
who
other
progressive
cities
trying
to
do
the
right
thing.
A
So
I
think
that
bully
pulpit
of
the
mayor
is
important
and
we
should
figure
out
how
to
use
that
as
well
as
we
can.
The
other
thing,
I
guess
I
would
say
about
diversity.
I
am
thrilled
that
you're,
the
top
vote-getter
I,
think
it
speaks
volumes
about
you.
It
speaks
volumes
about
our
city,
I'm,
also
thrilled
that
this
council
is
saying
a
lot.
We
just
elected
the
first
openly
LGBTQ,
we
elected
one
of
the
youngest
people,
I
believe
in
47
years
we
perhaps
have
elected
the
oldest
person
in
the
history
of
council.
A
A
I
would
also
note
that
in
this
era
of
Trump
rollbacks
and
pulling
out
of
the
Paris
Accords
and
rolling
back
a
lot
of
the
environmental
protections
having
a
climate
activists
and
environmental
advocate
as
mayor
is
also
a
statement
and
anyhow
so,
whoever
we
choose
we're
saying
a
lot
and
we
should
figure
out
a
way
to
magnify
that
externally
and
also
work
to
embrace
and
engage
everybody
in
our
community.
So
everybody
should
look
up
here
and
feel
like
they
can.
A
They
see
somebody
that
they
can
relate
to
that
they
can
call
that
they
can
get
engaged
with
I
guess.
The
final
thing
I
would
just
say
just
in
terms
of
leadership,
qualities,
I
think
it's
really
important
to
be
collaborative,
even
in
while
being
passionate
and
try
to
bring
people
together
and
I.
Think
that's
one
of
the
things
that
is
very
important
to
me.
I
am
a
twin
after
all,
my
favorite
pronoun.
Is
we
not
I?
This
was
my
comfort
zone.
Don't
ya!
Thank
you
for
considering
me
again
and
again.
A
E
A
So
the
21st
is
a
big
day
for
the
new
council
we
meet
in
the
morning.
We
get
sworn
in,
we
get
our
photos
taken
and
then
we
adjourn,
we
do
have
a
lunch
in
there,
although
usually
it's
with
the
outgoing
members
I'm,
not
sure
you
need
the
outgoing
members.
Maybe
Matt
will
be
there
I'm,
not
sure,
but
that's
a
good
time
to
bring
people
together
and
then
in
the
evening
we
will
have
a
regular
council
meeting
and
you'll
get
sworn
in
and
then
BAM
you
have
to
vote
for
mayor.
A
A
Yep,
it's
time
I,
don't
think
you've
ever
been
embarrassed,
but
you
missed
our
earlier
acknowledgments
because
sorry,
so
we
want
to
fit
you
in
well.
People
are
still
watching
on
TV,
quick,
while
you're
still
waiting.
No,
this
is
long
because
everything
that
has
to
do
with
you
is
a
little
long-winded.
A
Okay,
this
is
complicated.
Okay,
Matthew
Applebaum
was
first
elected
to
the
Boulder
City
Council
in
1987,
served
until
1995
rejoining
the
council
in
2007
and
will
continue
to
serve
until
his
term
is
over
on
November
21st
2017.
We
call
that
a
retread
that's
18
years
ago,
recycle
no,
that's
18
years
of
dedicated
service
on
council,
as
well
as
its
willingness
during
that
time
to
take
on
hundreds
of
related
council
assignments,
epitomizes,
the
finest
qualities
expected
of
a
public
servant
during
a
summon
council
met
serve
four
years.
A
As
deputy
mayor
one
year
is
inner
mayor
and
four
years
as
mayor
the
city
of
Boulder,
the
city
declared
January
5th
2016
Matthew
Applebaum
day
to
celebrate
his
extensive
contributions
as
mayor
and
related
services
on
the
regional,
national
and
international
level,
accolades,
which
will
not
be
reiterated
here.
Excellent.
A
Councilmember
Matt
Applebaum
has
served
as
boulders
tireless
representatives
to
countless
regional
state,
national
and
international
initiatives,
which
is
where
he
was
just
now
and
organizations
Japanese
everything
from
sustainable
transportation
and
open
space
to
climate
change
mitigation
and
resilience,
and
a
one
such
trip
to
the
Vatican
City
was
the
person
who
was
wearing
sneakers
during
the
Pope's
reading
of
the
encyclical
on
the
environment.
It's
the
same
ones
he's
wearing
now,
Matt,
never
known
to
sugarcoat
his
views
on
anything
once
said
at
a
council
retreat.
A
Matthew's
unique
ability
to
communicate
and
consider
multiple
views
on
contentious
policy
topics,
ranging
from
budget
and
transportation
and
affordable
housing
to
bolder's,
full-contact
sport
of
planning
and
to
convincingly
arguing
all
sides
of
those
issues,
often
in
one
breath,
has
ensured
that
all
aspects
of
policy
issues
before
the
council
were
fully
considered
and
often
told
quite
late
in
the
night.
On
the
one
hand,
the
boulder
city
council
will
not
be
the
same
without
matt,
but
on
the
other
hand
he
will
nonetheless
continue
to
do
great
stuff
in
the
community
in
the
community.
A
L
To
say
the
reason
I'm
so
tired
as
I
was
in
Frankfort
this
morning,
I
was
one
of
two
representatives
of
the
city.
Actually,
at
the
UN
climate
conference
in
Bonn,
the
cop
23
Sam
Weaver
was
there.
He
has
since
gone
on
to
a
conference.
An
important
conference
on
smart
cities
in
Barcelona
and
I
did
run
into
Sam
a
couple
of
times
and,
and
that's
actually
an
example
of
you
know,
Bo
there
really
being
out
there
and
the
international
scene,
which
is
more
important
than
you
might
think,
especially
given
the
state
of
the
u.s.
L
at
the
moment,
at
least
at
the
national
level.
Let's
just
say,
it
was
very
much
appreciated
that
folks
from
cities,
big
and
small
in
the
u.s.
were
attending
this
conference
and
speaking
out,
Sam
was
on
a
panel.
I
was
on
a
panel
actually
with
with
Al
Gore
after
the
showing
of
his
latest
film,
which
you
should
see.
If
you
haven't
had
a
chance,
I
did
no
I
didn't
actually
he
wore
his
anyway
thanks.
So
much
I,
don't
need
to
say
much
other
than
when
I
first
got
elected
to
Council.
L
I
was
the
youngest
person
on
the
council
and
now
I'm
the
oldest,
and
that
means
it
must
be
time
to
leave.
Somehow
the
years
went
by,
it's
been
a
huge
amount
of
fun.
It's
been
an
incredible
honor.
It's
been
great
working
with
people,
it
is
really
a
fabulous
City,
Council
I
know
the
next
one
will
be
two
and
it
is
a
fabulous
staff.
I
need
to
point
out,
especially
this
latest
go-around
Tom
and
Jane
have
been
just
remarkable
and
leading
their
respective
departments
and
endeavors.
Without
them.
L
We
wouldn't
get
a
whole
lot
done
frankly,
anyway,
thanks
so
much
I,
don't
know
if
everybody
should
do
this
in
their
lifetime.
I
never
expected
to,
but
it's
really
been
an
incredible
honor
and
learned
a
huge
amount,
and
you
don't
often
get
an
opportunity
like
this
to
really
do
so
much
for
your
city
and
do
so
many
of
the
national
and
international
things
that
I
got
the
the
opportunity
to
do
so.
Thanks
thanks
to
everybody,
thanks
Suzanne
I
appreciate
it.
M
I
heard
earlier
this
week
from
Andre
Amanda
Gill
of
the
boulder
chamber
to
clarify
that
the
staff
recommendation
that
you
have
recently
received
in
your
packet
is
one
with
which
the
chamber
does
fully
agree
and,
as
you
know,
the
staff
recommendation
is
now
that
we
eliminate
the
manufacturers
and
wholesalers
tax
in
the
city
code.
Cara
will
carry
on
and
make
this
presentation,
but
I
wanted
to
make
it
clear
from
the
beginning
that
the
chamber
supports
this
recommendation.
N
N
As
we
know,
we
have
a
packed
agenda
so
first,
some
just
general
information
with
regard
to
the
liquor
occupation
tax.
As
you
know,
liquor
is
regulated
by
the
state,
because
it's
a
statewide
concern
and
state
liquor
code
establishes
liquor,
license
classifications
as
well
as
liquor
license
fees,
municipalities
can't
charge
different
fees
or
in
some
cases
it's
an
up
to
amount.
N
So
then
cities
do
have
the
discretion
to
implement
liquor,
occupation
taxes
to
recover
additional
costs
identified
with
industry
cities
then
set
the
liquor
occupation,
tax
amounts
for
each
liquor.
Classification
and
an
occupation
tax
is
by
definition
of
flat
tax.
So
all
of
the
businesses
within
a
classification
would
pay
the
same
amount,
regardless
of
the
size
of
their
business.
N
Specifically
with
regard
to
the
manufacturers
and
wholesalers,
as
I
think
you
all
are
aware,
during
2016
staff
was
doing
an
internal
review
of
the
BRC
title,
3
chapter
7
the
liquor
occupation
tax
code
and
discovered
that
they
were
to
be
assessing
an
occupation
tax
for
the
manufacturers
and
wholesalers
classes
of
licenses
in
an
amount
a
little
under
three
thousand
dollars
per
year.
So
with
that
discovery,
a
letter
was
sent
to
those
license
holders
indicating
that
the
city
would
begin
to
invoice
them
for
that
occupation,
tax,
beginning
January
of
2017
Oh.
N
N
We
wanted
to
give
you
a
table
of
the
license
types
that
have
been
assessed.
The
liquor
occupation
tax
and
our
currently
assessed
you'll
see
that
the
amounts
range
from
two
hundred
and
seventy
five
dollars
for
a
three-two
beer
off-premise
to
a
hotel
and
restaurant
license
of
three
thousand
two
hundred
fifty
three
dollars.
N
So
we
did
take
the
year
to
do
quite
a
bit
of
analysis,
and
here
are
the
factors
that
we
considered
as
we
looked
at
the
issue
and
had
conversations
with
the
boulder
chamber
and
industry,
and
we
did
particularly
look
at
benchmarks,
and
this
next
slide
does
present
those
benchmark
results.
And
we
draw
your
attention
to
the
line
highlighted
in
light.
Blue
and
you'll
note
that
for
the
cities
that
do
have
a
liquor
occupation
tax
as
part
of
their
tax
policy,
we
did
not
find
any
bit
charged
that
to
the
manufacturers
and
wholesalers
license.
N
So
staff
did
consider
a
number
of
options
and
these
options
are
presented
in
your
agenda
memo
and
there's
quite
a
bit
of
analysis
and
text.
With
regard
to
these
options,
we
did
consider
whether
we
should
assess
the
tax
as
currently
in
BRC
or
to
assess
the
tax
that
is
currently
in
BRC,
but
to
phase
it
in
over
three
years
to
give
the
industry
time
to
adjust.
We
also
considered
reducing
it
somewhat
to
recognize
the
fact
that
the
city
does
not
separately
license
these
classifications.
Only
the
state
licenses
them.
N
So
there
is
some
reduced
costs
of
licensing
and
enforcement.
It
was
suggested
at
a
time
that
we
consider
the
amount
of
Amand
dollars
and
eighty-five
thousand
eighty-five,
which
is
what
the
beer
and
wine
license.
Classifications,
pay
or
some
other
reduced
amount
based
upon
considering
those
factors.
And,
lastly,
we
considered
eliminating
the
tax,
and
that
is
the
staff
recommendation
right
now
and
we
did
present
pros
and
cons
with
respect
to
these
various
options.
In
your
agenda.
Memo.
N
So
the
staff
recommendation
to
eliminate
the
liquor
occupation
tax
for
the
manufacturers
and
wholesalers.
We
considered
that
the
pros
to
this
approach
is
that
we
did
not
find
any
other
municipality
that
collects
this
tax.
We
are
concerned
that
if
we
did
begin
to
assess
the
tax,
it
could
put
the
city
in
a
competitive
disadvantage
and
we
may
lose
these
businesses
or
fail
to
attract
them.
There
is
no
budget
act
as
there
was
no
revenue
included
in
the
2018
budget.
N
With
respect
to
assessing
this
tax
for
these
classes,
the
cons
are
that
it
does
not
acknowledge
the
characteristics
of
the
industry
and
the
impact
to
municipal
services.
This
industry
is
in
the
liquor
industry
and
there
is
a
retail
component
to
most
of
their
businesses.
It
would
treat
this
class
of
license
differently
from
the
other
liquor
license
classes
that
do
have
that
retail
element.
K
N
Spoke
with
some
of
it
was
a
joint
effort,
the
benchmarking.
So
we
did
some
research
as
far
as
going
to
their
websites
and
looking
what
the
liquor
occupation
tax
was
listed
on
their
websites
and
then
some
we
actually
spoke
with
the
city
clerks
in
most
instances,
and
there
were
definitely
some
that
I
spoke
with
that.
They
said
they
did
have
businesses
in
their
jurisdiction,
but
they
did
not
have
the
liquor,
occupation,
tax
and.
M
So
could
you
turn
to
so
that
we
can
see
which
cities
those
were
because
I
think
that
will
be
very
instructive?
This
actually
applies
mostly
to
craft
breweries
or
small
distilleries,
so
an
example
would
be
for
Owens
Fort
Collins
has
many
craft,
breweries
and
I
believe
they
also
have
some
small
distilleries
as
well.
K
A
M
So
it's
honestly
hard
to
speculate
about
this
I
have
sort
of
my
personal
theory
about
how
this
all
came
to
be
and
I
and
I
will
spin
it
out
for
you
right
now.
This
particular
tax
was
adopted
by
the
city
at
least
three
decades
ago,
a
long
time
ago,
at
a
time
when
we
had
none
of
these
businesses
in
our
city,
I
believe
that
the
council,
at
that
time,
must
have
been
thinking
as
they
were.
M
We
discovered
by
accident
that
we
were
not
collecting
this
particular
charge
and
then
realized
that
we
should
be
doing
that.
In
the
intervening
time,
we
have
not
been
able
to
identify
impacts
if
counsel
wanted
us
to
do
that,
we
could
hire
a
consultant
and
do
a
very
expensive
study
to
figure
out
the
impacts
of
each
one
of
these
different
types
of
licenses.
But
we
we
don't
think
that
that's
spending
that
kind
of
dollars
would
justify
the
small
amount
of
money
that
we
would
get
to
support
the
general
fund
and
enforcement.
M
We
already
have
a
robust
enforcement
and
these
other
licenses
that
we
know
absolutely
do
have
an
impact:
the
beer
licenses,
the
beer
and
wine,
the
retail
liquor
stores.
We
know
that
they
have
an
impact
and
we
receive
sufficient
dollars
to
support
our
enforcement
efforts.
So
I
am
the
one
I
guess
that
have
said:
I
believe
that
no
charge
for
this
would
be
appropriate
in
order
to
keep
the
economic
vitality
of
our
community,
and
this
really
robust
an
important
business
alive
in
the
city
of
Boulder.
Thank
you,
you're.
E
Welcome
Jane
thinks
that
was
a
great
answer
and
explanation.
I
had
a
question
about
your
presentation,
and
you
said
six
hundred
and
twenty
thousand
that's
per
year
and
is
that
all
of
the
occupation
taxes
or
is
that
we
I
thought
what
was
the
anticipate?
It
was
much
smaller.
It
was
like
less
than
eighty
thousand.
If
you
applied
this
tab,
that's.
M
E
Okay,
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
I
had
that
brightness
and
then
my
last
question
has
to
do
with
you
know
somewhere
in
the
memo.
It's
it's
not
really
clear.
I
mean
this
presentation
is
very
clear
what
the
staff
recommendation
is,
but
it
I
was
wondering
do
do
you
plan
on
coming
back
in
several
years
after
we
consider
this
tonight.
A
M
H
O
Okay,
I
hope
to
not
take
up
all
my
time
here
and
it's
my
third
City
Council
meeting
and
they've
all
been
great
and
I've
rode
my
ridden
my
bike
to
each
one.
The
first
time
was
in
the
snow
about
a
year
ago
you
just
you
and
candle
25:10
47th
Street
Vision
Quest
Brewing
Company
trippin,
Group
LLC.
We
also
operate
the
home
brew
shop
order
fermentation
supply.
O
We
cater
to
a
lot
of
the
bigger
industrial
breweries
who
are
looking
for
a
little
spot
goods
here
and
there
through
our
brew
shop,
but
we
also
brew
our
own
beer.
As
a
manufacturer,
it
was
just
common
knowledge
getting
into
the
beer
industry
about
the
different
license
classes
before
we
ever
started
our
business
before
we
filed
our
LLC
with
the
state
and
thank
you,
city
staff
were
providing
all
that
that
presentation
in
the
insight
onto
how
you
found
accidentally
the
tax
and
the
code.
I
was
really
curious
about
how
that
came
to
be.
O
It
was
really
encouraging
to
hear
what
I
had
suspected
and
look
I'm
ignorant
on
a
lot
of
things
right,
but
I'm
not
very
ignorant
on
beer
I'm
in
the
beer
industry.
So
to
me,
this
came
across
as
just
really
confusing
and
confused
people
who
were
who
were
confused
about
what
was
bar
and
what
was
industry,
standard
or
accepted
I.
Don't
know
in
a
governmental
atmosphere
what
you
would
call
industry
standards
since
government
isn't
an
industry,
but
government
has
standards
and
in
the
state
of
Colorado
the
government
standard.
O
The
municipal
government
standard
has
been
to
not
assess
these
taxes
to
manufacturers
and
wholesalers,
because
we
are
schlepping
around
hot
stuff
in
it's,
it's
hard
work
where
we're
working
our
butts
off
to
make
this
stuff
by
hand.
It
is
an
artisanal
good
which
is
like
a
whittled
craft
wooden
object,
or
you
know
some
kind
of
sculpture
that
that
someone
makes
these
are
on
par.
O
Our
creations
are
liquid
and
they're
consumed
and
they're
recreated
and
and
consumed,
and
you
know
we
try
to
respectfully
be
present
with
the
community
and
an
in
Boulder
we're
trying
to
operate
a
business.
That
is,
you
know,
focused
on
quality
rather
than
quantities.
So
when
you
talk
about
the
Budweiser's
and
these
big
things,
you
know
that
that
makes
a
lot
of
sense,
but
yeah
we're
really
trying
to
make
ends
meet.
O
This
would
be
a
large
sum
of
money
to
have
to
fork
over
every
year
and
I'm,
so
thankful
that
I
think
that
we're
all
on
the
same
page
now
and
that
we
can
get
this.
You
know
water
under
the
bridge
and
move
forward
with
more
important
issues.
So
thank
you,
everybody
for
your
time
in
consideration.
Okay,
thanks.
P
J
Hi,
my
name
is
Matt
cutter
I'm,
the
founder
of
sovereign
company.
We
have
two
locations
in
Boulder,
15:01,
Lee,
Hill
unit
20
in
our
main
product
production
facility
at
1898,
South
Flatiron
court
in
Flatiron,
Park
and
I
would
just
wanted
to
ask
the
well
first
of
all
start
with
the
City
Council
and
thanking
them
for
their
support
of
breweries
over
the
years.
J
Having
started
a
very
bootstrap
business
back
in
2008
$3,000
is
a
really
big
deal.
We
are
very
capital-intensive.
We
are
taxed
more
than
well
probably
any
other
businesses
out
there,
because
we
produced
alcohol
in
addition
to
all
the
regular
taxes
that
other
businesses
pay.
We
pay
excise
taxes,
seven
dollars
a
barrel
to
the
feds
and
two
dollars
and
48
cents
a
barrel
to
the
state.
So,
let's
just
round
that
up
was
called
$10
a
barrel
of
sobering
company
produced
and
sold
thirty-one
thousand
barrels
last
year,
so
that
hurts
we
can't.
J
We
do
provide
good
benefits
to
our
employees,
but
at
a
big
cost
and
and
we'd
love
to
give
the
more
raises,
but
there's
really
not
that
much
that
that's
leftover
in
the
end
so
having
gone
through
those
early
years
when
we
started
out
at
Lee,
Hill
$3,000
might
have
done
us
in
it
was
that's
about
all
we
had
in
the
bank
in
February,
2009
and
almost
and
and
squeaked
by
there
anyway.
So
I
guess
I'm
speaking
on
behalf,
can
can
we
whether
this
add
up
soap,
yeah
yeah?
J
Q
Thank
you
so
much.
My
name
is
Andres
kill
Saldana,
my
address
is
2882
sundown
Lane
apartment
304.
Well.
Thank
you
very
much,
obviously,
for
the
time
that
you're,
considering
on
this
issue,
I'm
the
executive
director
of
the
Colorado
Brewers
Guild,
we
are
the
state
trade
association
for
all
Colorado
craft
beer
represent
about
200
craft
breweries
throughout
the
state.
In
Boulder
we
represent
about
30
I.
Think
I
just
want
to
reiterate
a
lot
of
the
points
that
you've
heard
today,
in
particular
the
fact
that
the
tax
that's
being
considered.
Q
You
know
in
particular
after
staff
looking
at
it
and
basically
deciding
that
it
should
be
abolished,
is
the
right
to
to
make
particularly
on
the
fact
that
the
matter
is
that
the
competitive
disadvantage
that
that
would
actually
put
Boulder
in
we
did
send
the
letter
to
City,
Council
and
I
hope
you
all
had
a
chance
to
take
a
look
at
it
kind
of
highlighting
the
really
unique
community
that
you
all
have
fostered
here
for
create
for
boulder
breweries.
In
particular,
the
number
of
GA
BF
Great,
American,
Beer
Festival
wins
that
recently
came.
Q
If
you
see
them,
you'll
see
that
breweries
of
all
sizes-
really
one-
you
know
ones-
that
opened
up
just
a
few
years
ago
to
ones
that
have
been
here
for
decades
and
really
the
reason
that
you're
able
to
do
that
is
because
Colorado
fosters
a
community
of
craft
beer
and
as
Matt
just
mentioned
a
second
ago.
It's
very
it's
a
scrappy
industry,
it's
ones
where
people
are
often
using
sources
of
income
that
include
loans
from
family
members
that
basically
or
the
quest
the
D,
basically
quintessential
example,
small
business.
Q
So
with
that
being
said,
the
three
thousand
dollars
it's
a
significant
amount
of
some
to
actually
ask
of
our
breweries,
but
in
particular
I
do
want
to
point
out
the
fact
that
it's
a
competitive
disadvantage
to
Boulder
to
move
forward
with
that
type
of
tax,
particularly
because
it's
the
only
jurisdiction
that
we're
aware
of
that.
Actually
love
levees
it
on
the
basis
of
either
holding
a
manufacturer
or
wholesaler
license.
We've
not
been
able
to
find
a
single
other
jurisdiction.
That
would
do
that.
So
we
understand.
Q
They
contribute
back
to
charitable
causes
and,
as
we
highlighted
in
our
letter,
obviously
they're
giving
to
charitable
causes
would
never
end
as
a
result
of
an
occupancy
tax.
It
is
strongly
believed
in
that,
but
it's
gonna
be
a
lot
harder.
It's
gonna
be
much
more
difficult
for
them
to
do
that,
so
I
urge
you
stronger
than
we
have
to
Colorado
Brewers
Guild,
to
adopt
staffs
recommendation
in
to
abolish
the
tax
and
that
way
support
the
crappier
community
here
in
Colorado.
Thank
you
thank.
R
Good
evening
my
name
is
sue.
Lamotte's
I'm,
one
of
the
co-owners
of
Bach
lived
in
youit's
call
the
car
Valley
Winery
I
am
also
located
at
1501
legal
Road.
We
moved
in
about
three
months
after
upslope
moved
into
that
location
and
really
helped
vitalize.
That
area.
First
I
want
to
thank
city
council
members
for
initiating
the
fact-finding
on
the
background
of
the
tax.
R
Without
you
probing
and
asking
the
questions
we
wouldn't
have
found
out
what
the
reason
for
the
tax
is
and
then
cheryl
patellae
and
her
staff
went
out
and
collected
the
information
that
revealed
that
no
other
community
or
jurisdiction,
actually
charges
attacks
for
manufacturers
of
alcoholic
beverages
so
and
I
also
very
much
appreciate
that
actually
received
a
public
hearing
on
that
it
first
looked
like
this
would
be
decided
behind
closed
doors.
So
I
very
much
appreciate
hearing
us
on
this
subject.
R
Today
you
have
the
opportunity
to
adopt
the
recommendations
from
staff
to
eliminate
this
tax.
I
encourage
you
to
do
so,
and
I
just
wanted
to
bring
this
proshare.
It
is
from
the
Bulger
visitors
and
convention
be
able
to
be
a
trail
wineries
into
salaries
and
I.
Think
we
all
agree,
you
want
to
keep
that
around
and
so
just
a
quick
note
on
manufacturers.
R
The
reason
they
may
not
get
taxed
they're
considered
primary
industries
who
bring
money
into
the
city,
because
actually
even
the
small
booklet
vineyard
sells
more
wine
outside
of
Boulder
than
within
the
city
of
Boulder,
so
we
bring
tax
dollars
in
and
so
they
are
not
taxed
for
their
capital
assets
outside
the
city
of
Boulder
taxes,
but
the
state
of
Colorado
doesn't
so
I.
Think,
that's
why
no
taxes
were
adopted
so
again,
I.
Thank
you
very
much
for
listening
and
I
hope
you
vote
to
abolish
the
occupational
tax.
Thank.
S
Hello,
Andrea
Amanda
gal
here
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
Boulder
Chamber
2440
Pearl
Street
and
I'd
like
to
thank
console
for
bringing
this
up
to
a
public
hearing
tonight,
but
I
really
like
to
thank
staff,
Jayne,
Sherrill,
patellae
and
her
team.
They
really
did
a
lot
of
work
to
try
to
dig
into
this
issue,
to
do
the
analysis
to
provide
the
information
that
gave
us
a
look
at
what
other
communities
are
doing
and
how
he
compared.
What
we
found
is
here
in
Boulder
were
lucky
to
have
this
industry
here.
S
I
can't
say
things
better
than
what
some
of
the
folks
who
spoke
before
me
did
we
have
a
innovative
industry
here
that
was
created
on
their
own
here
in
Boulder,
because
we
created
the
landscape
for
for
them
to
exist.
Other
communities
would
die
to
have
this.
They
would
love
to
have
this
they'd
love
to
create
it,
but
we
have
something
that
evolved
here.
S
We
do
express
that
concern
that
this
does
put
Boulder
at
a
disadvantage
to
retain
these
folks
with
the
other
high
cost
of
doing
business
in
the
community.
So
that
being
said,
we
really
encourage
you,
as
a
council
to
stand
up
for
this
industry
for
these
small
businesses
and
to
take
the
staff
recommendation
of
eliminating
the
implementation
of
this
tax.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
You
Andrea.
A
G
Lisa
Spaulding
1135
J,
as
a
former
member
of
the
beverage
licensing
authority,
familiar
with
the
issue
of
Tap
Room's
I
urge
you
to
reject
staff,
surprising
recommendation
to
eliminate
the
liquor
occupation
tax
for
manufacturers
and
wholesalers.
The
analysis
in
your
information
packet
presents
a
well-reasoned
recommendation
to
reduce
the
tax
to
2257
dollars,
based
on
the
current
proliferation
of
breweries
distilleries
and
wineries
with
Tap
Room's
and
the
costs
resulting
from
the
increased
need
for
city
services.
Boulder
currently
has
about
25
manufacturers
with
Tap
Room's
the
basically
function
as
unregulated
bars.
G
The
boulder
Police
Department
does
not
currently
conduct
compliance
checks
at
Tap,
Room's,
4-over,
service
or
service
to
minors,
because
they
are
licensed
only
by
the
state.
Boulder
requires
our
liquor
license:
holders
to
train
employees
through
state
sanctioned,
responsible
beverage
service
classes.
We
also
hold
licensees
to
strict
standards
for
over
service
and
service
to
minors,
because
we
believe
that
health
and
safety
are
extremely
important.
G
Our
municipal
licensees
help
to
cover
the
cost
of
these
city
services
by
paying
the
liquor
occupation
tax
when
the
chamber
of
commerce
recommended
reducing
the
liquor
occupation,
tax
for
manufacturers
and
wholesalers
from
two
thousand
nine
hundred
and
fifty
seven
dollars
and
fifty
cents
to
one
thousand.
Eighty
five
dollars,
businesses
with
other
types
of
liquor
licenses
ask
that
their
occupation
taxes
be
reduced
as
well.
If
you
eliminate
the
occupation,
tax
from
manufacturers
and
wholesalers
expect
other
life
businesses
to
request
the
same.
G
The
proliferation
of
Tap
Room's
that
function
as
bars
greatly
increases
the
city's
need
for
the
revenue
it
would
collect
under
the
liquor
occupancy
tax.
The
argument-
the
occupation
tax
on
manufacturers
and
wholesalers
will
put
Boulder
a
disadvantage
for
attracting
these
businesses,
privileges,
breweries,
distilleries
and
wineries.
Above
all,
other
businesses
that
are
competing
for
space
in
industrial
and
commercial
properties
in
Boulder,
which
are
tight.
G
I
urge
you
to
support
option
3
in
your
matrix
by
directing
staff,
to
revise
the
liquor
occupation,
tax
for
manufacturers
and
wholesalers
down
to
two
thousand
two
hundred
and
fifty
seven
dollars
and
fifty
cents.
If
necessary,
it
can
be
phased
in
over
three
years.
If
you
support
eliminating
the
tax,
you
will
directly
charge
the
citizens
of
Boulder
for
services
these
that
should
be
paid
by
these
businesses.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
T
E
E
C
First
of
all,
I
just
want
to
relate
I,
remember
very
clearly
the
day
that
this
first
came
to
my
attention
because
it
was
almost
exactly
a
year
ago.
It
was
Mertz
called
me
up,
and
she
told
me
about
this
text.
I
couldn't
believe
it
I
had
never
heard
of
it
before
I
remember
the
day
very
distinctly
because
it
was
the
day
after
Donald
Trump
was
elected.
You
remember
that
bula
and
I
was
already
kind
of
bummed
out
and
then
hula
brought
me
down
even
further.
C
So
thanks
for
that
hula,
but
I
also
think
and
and
the
chamber
and
the
and
the
industry,
for
their
persistence
and
and
what
I
really
want
to
do
is
think
Sheryl
and
the
rest
of
the
staff
for
gathering
the
information
necessary.
I.
Think
we
just
can
stumble
across
this,
and
you
guys
did
a
great
job
of
answering
our
questions
and
in
providing
what
I
think
is
a
really
solid
recommendation.
You
know
we've
gotten
by
with
out
this
tax
for
three
decades.
C
Apparently
we
didn't
even
know
we
had
it
on
the
books
and
I
think
we
can
probably
continue
to
get
by
without
the
$80,000
that
it
would
theoretically
bring
in
as
a
matter
of
fact,
I
suspect
that
we'd
probably
spend
a
decent
amount
of
that
a
thousand
simply
collecting
the
80,000,
so
I'm
at
that
doesn't
make
a
whole
lot
of
sense.
To
me,
I
know
that
some
people
have
raised
concern
that
somehow
we're
differentiating
between
manufacturers
and
bars,
and
that
may
be
unfair
I,
don't
think
that's
the
case.
C
Our
bars
and
restaurants
to
serve
liquor
do
have
an
impact
in
our
community.
We
collect
$600,000
from
them
and
we
spend
that
back
in
enforcement,
as
the
chief
just
indicated,
he
hasn't
heard
and
we'll
gather
more
information
of
a
particular
problem
with
respect
to
these
tasting
room,
as
many
of
which
are
only
open
a
few
hours
a
week.
I
don't
think
people
go
to
tasting
rooms
to
over-consume
I,
think
that
tends
to
happen
in
other
places.
C
So
I
think
it
is
her
to
differentiate
between
these
craft
distillers
and
Brewers
inventors
and
our
standard
bars
and
restaurants.
There's
about
two
dozen,
as
I
understand
of
folks
in
this
class
and
most
and
they're,
very,
very,
very
small.
Some
of
them
only
have
two
or
three
or
four
employees,
so
why
three
thousand
dollars
doesn't
sound
like
a
whole
lot
of
money
for
some
of
these
organizations?
That's
literally
their
profit
margin.
That's
the
difference
between
breaking
even
and
losing
money,
so
I'm
I
want
the
final
thing.
C
I'll
say:
I'm,
really
proud
of
the
fact
that
the
National
headquarter
we
heard
from
the
Colorado
Brewers
Association
the
national
headquarters
for
the
Brewers
Association,
the
United
States
is
here
in
Boulder.
Colorado,
wouldn't
be
I
kind
of
ironic.
If
we
were
the
only
place
that
actually
taxed
the
Brewers
that
we're
supporting
here
so
I
think
it's
really
really
cool
that
this.
This
nascent
industry
has
grown
up
here
in
the
last
couple
decades
and
I'm
not
proud
of
it
and
I.
Think
we
need
to
do
everything
we
can
to
encourage
it.
C
I
Seller,
West,
Brewing
a
little
bit
further
away.
Still
within
walking
distance.
We
just
have
a
really
vibrant
culture
around
these
small
manufacturers,
which
I
would
like
to
encourage
and
not
suppress
and
and
the
point
being
that
when
you're
just
getting
off
the
ground,
you
know
I
started
a
small
business
in
mind.
Many
years
ago,
gosh
three
thousand
dollars,
there's
a
lot
of
money
when
you're
just
trying
to
get
started
so
I'd
hate
to
squelch
our
local
scene,
so
I
certainly
support
the
staff
recommendation,
Thank
You
staff
for
all
of
your
hard
work.
I
D
Would
support
that
as
well
and
I
agree
with
everything
that
Bob
and
Aaron
said?
Thank
you
very
much
for
doing
the
work
on
this
I
mean
it's
very
clear:
we're
not
eliminating
a
tax
because
we've
never
assessed
it.
So,
in
my
view
to
do
this
to
one
of
our
special
industries,
we
haven't
done
it
for
30
years.
D
No
one
else
does
it
as
a
ludicrous
idea:
I
have
still
some
guilt
to
what
we
did
that
kombucha
manufacturers
through
the
cigarette
tax
I,
don't
think
that
was
originally
intended
for
them
and
they
are
our
small
businesses
here
and
they're
being
impacted
by
that.
So
I
very
much
support
the
recommendation
that
you
guys
have
made
and
thank
you
so
much
for
doing
the
research
on
it.
A
I'll,
just
jump
in
and
I'll
agree.
I
have
spent
some
time
it
up
so
now,
I
find
staffs
argument
compelling
I
think,
especially
since
there's
no
adjusting
it's
all
or
nothing,
it
doesn't
make
sense
to
me
and
the
fact
that
nobody
else
applies.
This
I
think
he's
also
very
compelling.
So
I
am
fine,
I
guess
I!
Second,
did
it
so
anyhow,
so
I'm
fine
with
staffs
recommendation
very.
K
And
to
that
I'll
just
add
that
and
I
just
lost
my
train
of
thought.
But
this
afternoon
I
was
at
a
meeting
with
folks
down
in
Denver,
and
one
of
the
people
had
a
sticker
from
one
of
the
local
breweries
and
even
folks
from
Denver
are
coming
up
to
Boulder
to
take
a
tour
of
each
and
every
brewery
in
town.
So
I
think
that
that
kind
of
activity
that
you
promote
makes
more
than
makes
up
for
whatever
we
may
not
collect,
either
at
the
level
of
the
current
tax
or
or
some
other
level.
K
So
and
then
the
other
convincing
thing
for
me
is
that
on
Jane's
theory,
that
it
kind
of
was
placed
on
the
books
when
Coors
and
bud
were
the
only
wholesalers
in
the
region.
It's
compelling
to
me
that
Fort
Collins
doesn't
have
the
text
and
I
presume
that
at
the
time,
but
was
already
there.
So
for
those
reasons,
I
will
be
voting
in
support
of
the
staff
recommendation.
A
C
H
I'm
gonna
do
the
presentation
on
sexually
violent
predators.
As
you
can
see,
Police
Chief,
Greg
testa
has
joined
me
and
Karen
Ron
is
sitting
in
the
front
row
there
we're
here
to
answer
any
questions.
I
will
have
a
brief
presentation
to
talk
about
some
of
the
options
that
you
have
with
respect
to
regulating
a
sexually
violent
predators
in
Boulder.
H
This
I
just
want
to
go
over
where
Council
is
in
June.
In
response
to
community
interest
raised,
council
gave
an
out
of
five
to
have
staff
work
on
this
issue
on
August
29th
Council
held
a
public
hearing
after
hearing
from
some
experts
and
tonight
there's
another
public
hearing,
scheduled
with
a
request
for
council
direction
on
where
to
go.
Staff
recommendations
are
kind
of
twofold
one.
The
staffs
recommendation
is
that
no
ordinance
be
adopted.
H
The
council
forward
working
group
and
implement
the
recommendations
that
we've
made
with
respect
to
cooperating
with
parole
and
limiting
the
impact
through
communication
and
some
restrictions.
If
council
decides
to
pass
an
ordinance,
we've
provided
three
different
options
in
the
packet.
We,
the
direction,
will
be
to
ask
council
agenda
committee
to
schedule
first
and
second
reading
of
an
ordinance
so
background
on
sex
offender
registration.
As
you
know,
this
started
in
1994
after
the
rape
and
murder
of
a
young
woman
named
Megan
Kanka.
H
That
was
a
federal
law
that
required
individuals
convicted
of
certain
sex
offenses
to
register
with
local
authorities,
depending
on
the
nature
of
the
offense.
The
registration
is
for
five,
ten
twenty
years
or
life.
Sexually
violent
predators
is
a
much
newer
law.
It's
18
years
old.
They
are
required
to
register
for
life
of
a
competition
to
BD
registers.
H
One
of
the
important
things
to
remember
that
you
all
learn
the
last
time
we
had
some
experts
here
is
that,
especially
for
sexually
violent
predators,
the
registration
period
can
far
exceed
the
supervision
by
parole.
A
lot
of
the
things
that
was
were
discussed
were
things
such
as
ankle
monitors
or
staying
in
halfway
houses,
and
those
things
are
only
really
effective
if
they're
under
parole
supervision,
parole
ends,
and
the
registration
requirement
goes
on
for
most
of
these
folks
for
life.
So
we
in
and
in
fact
none
of
the
sexually
violent
predators.
H
H
This
summarizes
the
definition
of
sexually
violent
predators.
When
the
this
the
state
legislature
adopted
the
law
they
required,
starting
in
2007,
which
was
ten
years
after
the
law
was
adopted
that
the
state
produce
an
annual
report.
This
produces
a
sort
of
oddity
that
we
have
really
good
data
for
the
period
between
the
last
ten
years,
but
no
data
at
all
for
the
first
ten
years,
so
I
had
to
kind
of
make
some
estimates
based
on
what
I
got,
but
my
best
estimate
is
that
there
are
approximately
800
sexually
violent
predators.
H
Who've
been
designated
in
the
state
of
Colorado
and
of
those
542
are
incarcerated,
seven
of
whom
are
on
life
sentences
with
no
chance
of
parole.
The
average
sentence
for
the
the
incarcerated
one
is
35
points
six
years
since
we're
talking
about
an
18
year
old
statute.
You
will
see
a
steady
stream
of
individuals
coming
out,
and
so
some
people
have
asked.
Why
is
this
become
such
a
problem?
H
You
remember:
Greg
harms
said
that
he
had
very
rarely
had
one
SVP
in
the
shelter
and
two
was
unusual
and
at
one
point
this
summer
he
had
four
and
my
own
theory
on
that
is
that
with
the
law
now
aging
eighteen
years
old,
we're
going
to
see
more
and
more
of
these
designated
individuals
returning
to
the
community
over
the
over
the
coming
years.
So
it's
important
that
council
addressed
this
in
a
meaningful
way.
H
So
this
is
a
summary
of
where
we
are
in
the
city
of
Boulder.
We
currently
have
122
sex
offenders.
Registered
45
are
registered,
45
are
registered
with
no
fixed
address.
State
law
requires
the
the
the
city
to
accept
the
police
department
to
accept
registrations
at
no
fixed
address,
there's
an
exception
if
the.
If
the
person
is
registering
in
a
way
that
includes
a
residence
location
that
would
violate
state
or
local
law,
we
haven't
been
able
to
figure
out
what
that
would
mean
since
registering
at
no
address
generally
Kent
doesn't
violate
any
law.
H
H
So
after
the
last
year,
August
public
hearing
chief
tester
wrote
to
the
division
of
parole
and
asked
for
a
meeting
Melissa
Roberts.
The
director
immediately
responded
and
met
with
Greg
and
I
summarized
what
paroles
position
is
they're
committed
to
communicating
with
the
city
regarding
SVP
svt
place
in
Boulder.
They
listen
to
the
city's
input
on
placement
of
registration.
H
Well,
it's
tempt
to
limit
placement
2's
VPS
with
ties
to
Boulder,
which
is
kind
of
one
of
the
challenges
we
face
in
that
this
is
a
shared
responsibility
throughout
the
state,
and
many
communities
are
concerned
about
exporting
their
problems
to
other
communities.
Limiting
them
to
limit.
Trying
attempting
to
limit
placement
to
folks
who
have
some
tie
to
the
city
would
be
an
improvement
over
the
current
situation
and
their
attempt
to
place
anybody
who's
on
parole
into
a
structured
and
managed
environment.
H
So
legal
issues-
you've
gotten
some
emails
and
I
generally
tried
not
to
give
legal
advice
in
public,
but
I'm
gonna
sort
of
summarize
right
now,
you've
gotten
some
emails
about
whether
or
not
residency
restrictions
are
legal
right
now
in
the
state
of
Colorado
residency
restrictions
have
not
been
struck
down
by
the
state.
There
is
one
case
that
once
the
Colorado
Supreme
Court
the
in
that
case
it
was
a
federal
case.
The
federal
district
court
said
that
the
the
stat,
the
the
that
the
the
the
residency
restriction
was
a
preempted
by
state
law.
H
The
appealed
to
the
Tenth
Circuit,
the
Tenth
Circuit
said
well.
This
is
an
issue
of
state
law
and
they
sent
it
to
the
Colorado
Supreme
Court,
the
Colorado
Supreme
Court
issued
an
opinion.
That
said,
it
was
not
preempted,
but
one
of
the
basis.
For
that
opinion,
one
of
the
elements
that
court
looks
at
one
that
looks
at
preemption
is
what
does
this
have
an
impact
on
the
state
statewide
and
the
court
said,
since
there
are
only
seven
jurisdictions
at
that
time
that
had
residency
restrictions.
H
I
To
interrupt,
but
you
said
s
vp's,
but
these
are
not
SVP
restrictions
in
those
jurisdictions.
Aren't
they
general
sex
offender
restrictions,
they're.
H
H
That
is
that
there
there
is
an
argument
that
it
impairs
the
right
to
travel,
the
right
to
Liberty
and
the
California
Supreme
Court
has
found
California
state
law
restricting
sex
offender
locations
to
be
unconstitutional
and
struck
it
down
the
federal
courts
in
Colorado
that
the
district
court
decided
not
to
address
it
because
he
found
that
was
preempted,
and
then
it
went
up
to
the
the
court
as
things
work
in
the
courts.
Tenth
Circuit,
the
the
Supreme
Court
when
it
got
back
to
the
Tenth
Circuit.
H
H
K
H
That's
very
kind
of
you
so
and
also
I've
informed
you
previously,
a
judge
may
chon
the
the
the
federal
district
court
has
held
that
publication
of
information
about
sex
offenders
is
unconstitutional,
as
it
was
applied
to
the
particular
sex
offenders.
In
that
case,
it
was
a
very
sympathetic
case
where
people
who
had
committed
crimes
long
ago
who
were
having
trouble
getting
jobs
or
being
embarrassed
by
things,
but
because
of
the
publication
of
their
their
faces
on
the
internet.
H
He
found
that
that
was
a
violation
of
the
Constitution
that
the
state
is
appealing
that
to
the
Tenth
Circuit.
The
city
of
Boulder
has
responded
to
that
by
taking
down
our
web
page
that
lists
the
sexually
the
sex
offenders
in
the
city
of
Boulder,
because
that's
what
judge
made
focused
on
it
did
not
strike
down
the
law
generally,
it
was
just
the
publication.
The
embarrassment
factor
that
the
effect
that
has
on
their
on
their
ability
to
travel
and
get
jobs
and.
H
We
still
provide
notification
on
sexually
violent
predators.
We
just
don't
post
it
on
the
Internet.
The
state
has
their
website
up.
So
if
you
go
to
our
web
site,
there
is
a
link
to
the
state
website
where
you
can
put
in
Boulder
and
get
the
list
of
sexually
sex
offenders
and
including
sexually
violent
predators.
Does.
T
H
H
E
H
So
there
are
some
risks
to
adopting
residency
restrictions,
the
the
limitation
of
housing
choices
in
in
some
of
the
studies
they
reduced
it
almost
completely
and
I'll
give
you
some
dive
some
data
later
in
this
slide
deck
that
show
what
its
different
effect.
What
effect
it
would
have
here
in
Boulder
housing
instability
has
been
shown
to
raise
the
risk
of
her
citizen.
Ism
socialization
is
the
best
tool
to
reduce
crime
d.
Socialization
increases
crime.
H
In
my
own
experience,
I
ran
a
court
in
Seattle
where
we
we
dealt
with
offenders
by
instead
of
putting
them
in
jail.
We
had
them
do
community
service
with
community
groups,
and
it
was
amazing
to
me
to
see
people
who
had
been
completely
D
socialized,
because
that's
what
jail
is
we
put
them
in
jail
and
we
put
them
with
people
who
stealing-
and
things
are
okay
and
putting
them
out
in
the
community
where
they
were
working
side
by
side
with
people
who
had
different
values.
H
Actually,
the
changed
folks
and
I
was
at
a
presentation
once
where
someone
talked
about
cigarette
smoking.
Any
of
us
who
were
old
enough
will
recall
that
2025
years
ago,
if
you
went
to
a
party
people
put
out
ashtrays
because
everybody
was
assumed
to
accept
smoking
in
their
home.
Now,
if
you
lit
up
a
cigarette
in
someone's
home,
you
have
actually
be
more
radical.
If
you
do,
let's
rather
leave
it
above
your
pants,
you
would
just
not
do
that
anywhere
and
that
change
wasn't
driven.
H
C
H
And
cited
some
of
those,
mostly
it's
Mazzone
lis.
One
I
saw
that
actually
recruit
suggests
that
increased
recidivism
and
I
wasn't
really
sure
that
that
was
true.
There
are
several
that
show
that
it
increases
violations,
so
less
likelihood
to
report
that
sort
of
thing
and
that's
all
summarized
in
the
packet
violations.
H
Numbers
so
the
vast
majority
of
sex
offenders,
don't
reoffended
abysm
rate
than
or
than
most
of
other
crimes,
so
the
the
the
the
and
there
there
are
a
category
of
offenders
who
are
not
likely
to
Rio.
So
someone
who's,
a
shoplifter
has
a
much
higher
recidivism
rate
than
a
sex
offender.
Of
course
it's
a
much
more
serious
crime,
so
the
community
is
legitimately
more
concerned
about
recidivism
for
sex
offenders,
because
one
offense
is
awful.
Two
is
even
more
awful,
but.
C
K
C
H
C
Sexually
violent
predators
are
maybe
less
likely
to
offend
on
a
percentage
basis
than
shoplifters,
using
your
comparison
within
the
groups
of
sexually
violent
predators,
whether
it's
a
ten
percent
or
fifty
percent
or
three
percent
within
that
category
nationwide,
comparing
the
nationwide
receive
ISM
rates
to
those
jurisdictions
that
have
residency
restrictions
is
the.
Are
there
any
studies
that
you've
seen
out
there?
That
CheY
say
that
the
recidivism
rate
of
sex
offenses
among
sexually
violent
predators
is
greater
in
places
that
have
residency
restricted
as
compared
to
the
national
average?
No.
H
H
I'm
only
aware
of
it,
behavior
I
mean
I.
So
again,
not
an
area
of
my
expertise.
I
have
not
looked
at
every
state
law,
but
I've
not
seen
any
other
designations
and
I
know.
This
is
a
product
there
may
be
think
they
may
be.
There
may
be
a
higher
level
of
sex
offender
reporting
in
other
states
that
are
called
different
things
that
I'm
not
aware
of
so,
but
when
you
talk
about
sv
PS,
that
is
a
colorado
law
as
opposed
to
sex
offenders
which
started
in
on
the
federal
level
in
1994.
A
C
H
So
22
states
I
stand
corrected
Lisa.
Thank
you.
Potential
ordinances.
We've
we've
included
three
in
your
packet.
One
would
restrict
a
sexually
violent
predators
from
living
within
500
feet
of
a
school
and
staffs
recommendation
is,
if
you're
going
to
do
in
an
ordinance.
That's
the
one
and
I
can
chief.
Do
you
want
to
speak
to
the
500
foot,
restrictions
for
schools.
A
T
Establishing
restrictions
is
fine
and
I
think
that
it
could
be
helpful.
I,
don't
think
that
it
is
necessarily
detrimental
I
think
we're
talking
about
a
limited
of
sexually
violent
predators
in
our
community,
but
we
know
that
that
can
change
on
a
daily
basis
could
go
up
or
down,
certainly
a
500-foot
rule
or
distance
lessons
areas
where
other
words
reduces
areas
where
people
could
live
and
the
advantage
there
is
that
there's
more
potential
housing
availability
than
there
is,
if
you
increase
the
distance.
T
I
am
not
in
favor
of
banning
SPPs
from
the
shelter
for
obvious
reasons,
because
if
they're
not
in
a
in
an
environment
like
that
where
we
can
find
them-
and
there
is
some
regulation-
in
other
words,
there's
some
management
over
them-
they
have
to
be
there
for
a
certain
period
of
time.
There's
a
roof
over
their
head.
T
There
are
programs
available,
then,
if
they're
not
in
another
environment,
they're
going
to
be
on
the
street,
so
so
the
three
folks
that
are
there
now
were
originally
homeless
and
are
now
I
mean
the
coordinated
entry
system
and
staying
at
the
shelter.
So
if
we,
if
council
passes
an
ordinance
that
restricts
that,
then
those
three
individuals
will
either
have
to
try
and
find
some
type
of
living
situation,
hopefully
with
an
address
attached
or
they're
going
to
be
out
on
the
street.
T
T
So,
as
you
know,
I'm
not
an
expert
in
this
in
this
area,
so
I'm
just
going
to
give
you
my
personal
opinions,
I
think
it's
much
easier
to
try
and
enforce
and
regulate
living
restrictions,
in
other
words,
passing
over
mints.
Where
we
say
somebody
can't
live
or
reside,
then
it
is
traveling
through
an
area
and
I,
don't
even
know
whether
that's
constitutional
to
pass
an
ordinance
that
regulates
somebody
traveling
through
an
area
I.
E
T
It's
difficult
because
there's
the
intent
and
we
understand
what
all
that
is,
but
then
there's
the
practicality
of
enforcement.
You
know.
So
how
do
we?
How
do
we
regulate
that?
That
you
can't
be
there
for
a
certain
period
of
time?
Certainly
there's
behavior.
If
there's
looter,
if
there's
illegal
behavior,
then
that's
enforceable,
but
if
somebody
is
on
a
school
property
and
they
can
come
up
with
a
variety
of
reasons,
why
it's
the
practicality
of
trying
to
enforce
that
there's,
obviously,
transit
route
concerns
in
our
community.
We
have
many
transit
routes
and.
T
E
H
The
court
would
would
enter
the
soda
or
order
as
part
of
the
sentence
we
would.
We
did
a
big
computer
project
to
integrate
the
systems
we
would
have
that
into
the
police
data
system.
So
police
officer
contacting
the
individual
would
know
that
the
individual
had
a
soap
or
soda
order
and
what--what's
owns
it
applied
to
when
the
police
officers
all
had
the
maps,
but.
E
How
would
how
would
the
police
stop
I
mean?
How
would
when
the
policeman's
were
woman
is
what
is
driving
by
or
walking
by
I
mean
there
must
be
a
lot
of
people
and
how
would
they
know
that
or
was
it
a
complaint
base
based
on
I
was
talking
to
Mary
earlier
today?
Could
it
be,
would
we
see
maybe
racially
or
ethnically
based
complaints
just
because
a
person
was
walking
through
an
area
and
looked
different.
H
It's
always
a
risk.
Lisa
I
mean,
but
in
our
areas
there
were
officers
who
were
beat
officers
who
knew
the
community
and
generally
knew
people
they
had
arrested
previously,
and
so
they
could
just
run
their
name
and
see
if
they
had
a
soap
or
a
soda
order.
The
distinguishing
factor,
of
course,
was
in
that
case
the
order
was
entered
by
a
judge
after
due
process.
This
would
be
taking
a
designation,
that's
been
imposed
by
state
law
and
trying
to
leverage
there
and
I'd
have
to
think
about
that.
F
Just
as
a
practical
matter
as
I
understand
it
that,
for
example,
I
think
it
was
mr.
lawyer
at
the
time
when
he
was
when
he
did
wear
the
ankle
bracelet
he
was
prohibited
from
going
certain
locations.
Is
that
correct
I
believe
that,
yes,
so,
but,
but
to
your
point,
Tom
that
wasn't
adjudicated
that
wasn't
a
probe
was
that
can
probation
issue
those
without
Judy
without
the
judge
entering
a
specific
order,
or
is
it
in
other
words?
Can
probation
alone
decide
to
apply
those,
or
is
it
a
judge?
It.
H
Gets
parole?
Does
it
and
I
don't
know
that
the
judge
gives
generally
in
the
the
judge,
will
issue
conditions
of
parole,
yeah
and
a
condition
of
parole
could
be
don't
go
within
500
feet
of
a
school
and
that's
enforceable
sure
how
they
do.
It
is
generally
up
to
parole
and
so
ankle
monitor
rings
and
that's
a
little
thing,
I
think
is
their
discretion.
There's.
F
Two
issues
as
I
sense
here
that
one
is
just
sort
of
the
legality
of
creating
a
bubble,
add
a
time
bubble
as
opposed
to
a
residence
bubble
around
a
location,
and
it
sounds
like
it's
gray
enough
and
there's
well,
there's
the
potential
that
it
would.
That
could
be
done
and
the
other
is
just
sort
of
the
practical
effect
of.
Could
you
identify
the
person
during
the
most
likely?
My
sense
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
is
where
this
comes?
F
The
value
is,
there's
some
deterrent
factor
for
the
person
who
knows
that
they
can't
go
within
five
hundred
or
thousand
feet
of
a
school,
and
the
other
issue
is
if
they
are
caught
doing
something
else.
Then
this
is
an
additional
thing
to
tack
on
that
that
may
increase
their
sentence
or
put
them
away
a
little
bit
longer.
So.
T
Andrew,
that's
true
if
somebody
is
on
is
currently
on
parole
and
regulated,
but
if
you,
if
you
take
the
example
of
r3s
vp's,
currently
there's
they're
they're
not
monitored
the
only
regulation
they
have
is
under
state
law
that
they
have
to
because
there
as
for
UPS,
they
have
to
register
with
us
quarterly,
but
there's
no
restrictions
on
where
they
go
or
what
they
do.
They
can
travel
anyplace,
the
United
States.
You
know
out
of
the
country,
any
of
that.
T
F
Would
just
be
something,
for
example,
if
they
were
caught
selling
drugs
within
500
feet
of
a
school,
and
then
on
top
of
that
they
had
this
violation.
That
would
be
something
additional,
but
you
mentioned
the
fact
that
it
would
just
be
a
misdemeanor,
and
is
that
is
that
the
key,
whatever
we're
talking
about
doing,
would
only
have
that
additional
effect.
We
couldn't
create
a
felony
kind
of
that's.
K
H
K
H
K
L
A
H
H
And
so
the
courts
have
upheld
those
based
on
the
society's
interest
in
restricting
people
who
are
on
parole
and
generally
parole
is
something
you
get
as
a
reduction
of
your
time
in
jail
or
prison.
So
you
basically
you're
released
part
of
your
sentence
so
you're
still
under
some
court
compulsion
or
as
a
result
of
your
conviction,.
L
H
So
this
is
a
list
of
dwelling
units
that
would
be
affected
by
the
the
two
different
ordinances,
the
ordinance
with
all
of
those
things,
parks,
schools,
daycare,
centers
swimming
pools,
and
then
one
was
with
schools.
Only.
So
if
you
had
a
500
foot
restriction
that
would
eliminate
fourteen
thousand
six
hundred
and
sixty
one
dwelling
units
from
the
possibility
of
SPPs
living
there,
it
would
relieve
it
would
leave
thirty
thousand
seven
hundred
and
ten
dwelling
units
as
available
for
them
and
you
can
see
similar
numbers
are
actually
it's
kind
of
a
reverse
ratio.
H
If
you
had
all
the
buffers
at
500
feet,
you
would
have
thirty
three
thousand
seven
hundred
and
fifty
three
dwelling
units
they
prohibited
from
living
in
and
only
eleven
thousand
six
hundred
and
eighteen
remaining
and
the
bottom
line
was
it
would
be
if
you
extended
the
residency
restriction
to
a
thousand
feet.
You'd
have
forty-four
thousand
nine
hundred
and
thirty
two
units
affected
it
for
all
buffers,
and
only
four
hundred
and
thirty
nine
available
for
residency
by
us
VPS,
and
then
you
see
the
numbers
for
schools
only.
H
Okay,
so
there
was
the
CAC
asked
if
we
could
provide
some
information
on
the
shelter
management
plan,
and
karen
is
here
to
help
with
this,
so
we
have
been
going
back
and
forth
with
the
shelter
on
this.
As
you
know,
the
shelter
held
a
neighborhood
meeting
and
they've
made
some
changes
to
the
shelter
management
plan,
the
staff
reviewed
it
and
the
Planning
Department
and
sent
it
back
with
some
comments.
On
Monday,
we
received
a
version
back
from
the
shelter
that
incorporated
most
of
the
city's
comments.
H
The
planners
are
still
reviewing
that
they
will
once
they
finish,
reviewing
and
accept
it
from
the
the
shelter
they
will
send
it
to
Jane.
For
her
final
review,
it
will
come
back
to
the
council
for
consideration
on
December
5th,
which
means
it
has
to
be
finalized
by
November
28th,
which,
because
that's
when
we
submit
the
packet
I
looked
at
it
today,
it
looked
like
they
had
made
most
of
the
changes
as
you've
heard,
with
respect
to
sexually
violent
predators.
The
management
plan.
H
C
H
T
I've
been
assured
that
a
sexually
violent
predator,
who
is
on
parole,
so
is
regulated
and
managed
by
parole,
will
never
live
on
the
streets
or
homeless
in
the
city
of
Boulder,
but
really
I.
Think
it's
in
the
state
of
Colorado.
In
other
words,
those
individuals
like
Christopher
lawyer,
will
always
be
in
what
I
call
a
structured,
monitored
and
managed
environment.
So
if
Christopher
lawyer
was
to
have
to
use
him
as
an
example,
was
to
have
been
removed
from
or
no
longer
able
to
stay
at
the
shelter,
we
would
not
endure
him
living
on
the
streets.
T
E
Your
hand
up
I
did
oh
I'm.
Sorry,
so
I
didn't
hear
you
say:
Lisa,
sorry,
so
never
lost
my
train
of
thought.
Matt.
T
A
L
So
to
me
this
is
the
key
question
so
just
to
get
this
straight,
if
they're
on
parole,
the
parole
board
has
the
ability,
the
authority
to
place
them
somewhere.
So
that's
one
category
and
that's
where
you're,
presumably
working
with
them,
not
so
much
to
find
a
place
to
house
them,
but
it's
really
the
first
step,
which
is
which
ones
are
sent
to
Boulder
and
our
it's
hard
to
say
this
any
other
way.
Are
we
getting
our
fair
share
in
a
sense?
L
In
other
words,
are
we
getting
people
sent
here
because
they
have
some
connection
to
the
city
of
Boulder?
Either
they
have
family
here
or
I.
Suppose
it's
where
they
committed
their
crime
in
the
first
place,
because
they
were
living
here.
I
mean
that
we
have
any
sense
that
that's
not
what's
happening
over
the
years.
In
fact
that
we
are
getting
more
than
our
fair
share.
However,
on
earth
you
define
that
so.
T
I
think
that
has
happened
as
a
matter
of
fact.
I
know:
that's
happened
with
that
with
the
hundred
and
in
20
some
sex
offenders
now
I'm
not
talking
about
s
VPS.
There
are
people
here
who
who
have
no
ties
or
connection
to
Boulder
I
I,
don't
know
why
he
just
is
the
way
it
is.
Christopher
lawyer
obviously
had
connections
to
Boulder
County
I'm,
not
sure
about
the
specifics
on
the
other
three
who
are
currently
living
here,
whether
they
originally
whether
they
had
ties
or
not.
L
So
that's
the
second
question
I
mean
so
you
have
this
smaller
category
of
people
who
are
on
parole
that
the
parole
board
actually
has
some
authority
over.
It
places
them,
and
let's
assume
for
the
moment,
they're
doing
that
fairly
just
passaic
conversation.
Then
you
have
a
much
bigger
group
who
are
not
on
parole.
Who
apparently
can
go
where
they
choose
to
go,
and
we
don't
really
have
any.
Nobody
seems
to
have
any
control
over
that.
So
if
they
choose
to
go
to
Boulder,
they
choose
to
go
to
Boulder.
Yes,.
T
L
H
Okay,
so
Matt
just
two
things:
one
Boulder
is
probably
more
expensive
than
most
cities
in
the
state,
so
we
have
fewer
housing
opportunities
for
folks,
so
that
would
mitigate
against
folks
coming
here
and
but
we
have
more
services
correct
than
other
folks,
but
in
average
be
probably
balance
it
off
right.
I
we
have
not
looked
at
the
whole
state,
it
seemed
like
Longmont
may
have
more
than
we
do
and
because
long
launch
cheaper,
they
also
provide
services.
Very
so
it's
it's
hard
to
generalize.
H
L
No
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
we
all
understood
and
I
understood
this.
There
are
these
kind
of
two
classes
and
the
bigger
class
is
really
the
people
who
are
not
on
parole
any
longer
who
can
choose
to
go
where
they
want
to,
and
yes,
I
agree
with
you
time.
I
think
that's
the
right
analysis,
but
without
asking
people
it'd
be
hard
to
know
exactly
why
they're
choosing
because
yeah
we
provide
a
lot
of
services,
especially
if
somebody
is
or
might
be
homeless.
L
We
provide
more
services
than
most,
but
we're
also
a
really
expensive
place
to
find
housing,
so
that
would
tend
to
make
it
harder
for
somebody
who
is
actually
trying
to
find
housing
as
opposed
to
being
in
a
homeless,
shelter
or
something
well,
I,
yeah,
okay,
I
mean
I.
Think
it's
just
important
to
understand.
There
are
the
two
categories,
and
presumably
there's
way
more,
who
are
not
on
parole
at
any
given
moment,
then,
who
are
on
parole
in
any
given
moment
right.
T
C
H
The
who
is
I
thought
it
was
very
important
that
we
bring
members
of
the
community
in
with
experts
in
the
field
and
have
a
discussion.
I've
really
been
a
fan
of
the
map
process,
where
you
have
people
from
the
industry
working
with
people
from
the
community
to
sort
of
provide
a
kind
of
balanced
representation
to
the
council,
so
that
that
was
just
my
general
view.
I
I,
don't
have
I've
come
up
with
the
best
answers.
I
think
I
can
for
you
Bob,
but
I.
H
A
A
But
what
you,
okay,
we're
gonna,
go
to
the
public
hearing
them,
but
so
to
give
you
direction.
H
B
B
A
U
We
go
I'm,
Lola,
Waldo,
hey
good,
to
see
you
thank
you
for
giving
me
three
minutes
to
give
you
some
I
feel
like
it's
factual
information,
because
I
lived
within
the
homeless
community
for
a
good
four
years
here,
amongst
many
predators
that
are
not
from
Boulder.
They
have
no
connections
and
ties
here,
but
I
know
of
four
and
they're
not
classified
as
sexually
violent
predators.
But
if
you
go
on
the
list
for
city
of
Boulder
right
now,
there's
40
pages,
which
amounts
to
over
120
registered
sex
offenders.
U
Most
of
these
offenders
to
me
are
the
highest
level.
Offenders
I
think
that
when
you
offend
against
a
child
and
you're
not
classified
as
violent,
I
think
that
there
is
some
sort
of
we're
not
connecting
the
dots
here.
I
think
that
people
that
abuse
and
victimized
children
are
likely
to
do
it
again.
It's
probably
that
one
time
that
they
got
caught,
they're
not
monitored
here
and
it
seems
like
priority-
is
given
and
within
the
homeless
community,
where
you
can
get
your
coordinated
entry
and
your
service
and
access
to
services.
U
I
would
say
the
statistics
for
most
homeless
men
and
women
out
there
living
trying
to
get
housed
trying
to
do
the
right
thing.
I
would
say:
95%
of
them
have
been
victimized
in
their
childhood
or
in
their
adulthood,
whether
it
was
once
or
a
thousand
times
it's
hard
to
maneuver.
Through
this
system,
where
you
come
in
contact
with
them
every
day,
are
you
required
to
come
in
contact
with
them
on
a
daily
basis?
U
Now
I've
heard
a
lot
of
discussion
and
I'm
even
hearing
about
a
working
group
or
we're
going
to
throw
more
money
at
this
situation
where
clearly,
there
is
no
resolution
to
it.
I'd
like
to
see
a
statistic
or
a
report
ever
on
one
human
being:
that's
ever
been
rehabilitated,
especially
a
pedophile.
Now
you
can
go
and
look
at
the
link
yourself
and
you'll
see
conviction
after
conviction,
after
conviction
of
child
sex,
assault,
person
of
trust,
child
exploitation.
There
are
a
few
sprinkled
in
there
that
have
committed
adults,
but
it's
a
high
level
of
that.
U
So
when
we
don't
change
their
policy
and
continue
to
house
these
men
up
because
there's
one
woman
but
there's
you
know
mostly
men-
is
that
we
exclude
women.
We
exclude
children,
we
exclude
anybody,
that's
been
victimized
by
it
and
it's.
It
seems
very
unfair
that
we
keep
funding
it
because
there
is
no
direct
correlation
that
if
you
have
a
house
that
you're
all
fixed
up
here
and
here
and
in
your
soul
and
that
you're
never
going
to
put
your
hands
on
a
child
again.
U
There
is
no
study
that
I've
ever
seen
or
any
proof
or
evidence
that
we
can
ever
change
any
kind
of
sexual
orientation
in
in
the
in
the
form
of
a
proclivity
to
children.
So
these
are
the
people
that
are
sitting
in
your
city
and
I
would
say
a
shoe
that
fits
one
man
pinches
another,
and
there
is
no
one
recipe
that
suits
all
life.
So
let's
give
some
people
a
chance
to
get
housed
and
start
rewarding
sanity
and
sobriety
here.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
P
V
V
You
guys
are
in
way
over
your
heads
and
I
mean
that
respectfully
I
would
strongly
encourage
you
to
have
an
advisory
council
or
a
working
group.
Take
your
time.
This
is
a
very
serious
issue,
very
serious
subject
that
impacts
human
lives,
sexually
violent
predators
are
not
just
let
out
of
prison
willy-nilly.
V
We
saw
some
of
the
statistics
from
the
city
attorney,
but
the
average
length
of
sentence
for
a
sex
offender
and
I
don't
know
if
that
was
applying
to
sex
sexually
violent
predators
was
35
years,
of
which
he'll
do
approximately
three-quarters
of
your
time.
If
we
don't
believe
that
the
prison
systems
are
areas
of
Correction,
then
maybe
we
need
to
re-examine
that
after
doing
time,
especially
for
sex
offenders,
you
have
learned
your
lesson
and
the
recidivism
rates
for
sex
offenders
proves
that
it
is
a
national
statistic
and
that's
a
Colorado
statistic
with
all
due
respect.
Mr.
V
City
Attorney
I'm
not
sure
that
you're
the
gentleman
to
be
giving
advice
on
this
subject,
because
you've
cited
two
things
that
were
completely
wrong.
Svp
is
not
a
determination
exclusive
to
Colorado.
As
a
quick,
Google
search
showed
you.
There
were
22.
Cities
are
22
states
in
the
country
that
had
espied
SVP
status,
while
I
was
sitting
back
here.
V
Listening
to
the
city
attorney
mentioned
that
they
don't
post
pictures
for
the
city
of
Boulder
sex
offenders,
I
jumped
on
Google
and
went
to
the
city
of
Boulder
website
for
sex
offender
and
there
they
are
with
their
pictures.
So
he
decided
to
pieces
of
informations
right
off.
The
bat
are
not
correct,
I'm,
not
disparaging.
He
was
a
human
being
I'm
just
saying.
V
Perhaps
we
should
not
be
taking
advice
from
this
gentleman
and
that
you
shouldn't
Ed
instead
turn
your
direction
to
a
working
group
calling
in
professionals
there's
no
reason
to
reinvent
the
wheel
here
in
Boulder
County,
every
municipality
in
this
state
has
discussed
this
six
have
determined
that
there
should
be
residency
restrictions
for
sex
offenders.
Your
focus
today
is
on
sex
offenders.
Residency
restrictions
for
sexually
violent
predators.
Statistics
show
that
if
you
are
not
housed
and
you're
not
allowed
to
get
get
jobs,
your
stress
level
goes
up
and
you're
most
likely
to.
V
A
E
My
question
is
recently
I
read
that
I
think
it's
in
Pueblo
that
they're
starting
a
in
the
prison
there
they're
starting
a
program
for
veterans
where
they
house
all
of
the
veterans
together,
and
they
think
that
that's
a
very
productive
and
constructive
way
to
help
rehabilitate
people,
because
the
various
vets
have
been
through
similar
experiences,
similar
paroles
and
that
they
have
found
that
they
help
each
other.
What
do
you
think
about
that?
E
V
The
sex
offender
world-
that's
called
a
shared
living
arrangement.
They
already
have
those
in
some
groups.
Some
treatment
providers
already
provided
fair
living
arrangement.
Mm-Hmm
I
can't
comment
on
one
I've,
never
I've
never
had
treatment
on
the
streets.
Mm-Hmm
I
had
treatment
on
the
streets,
but
it
was.
It
was
a
joke.
V
Again,
I
think
if
we
keep
this
conversation
towards
sexually
violent
predators.
My
comment
was
made
in
the
direction
of
if
you
want
to
keep
your
systems
community
safe.
If
you
are
afraid
of
these,
this
label,
these
human
beings,
who
have
been
given
this
label
based
on
whatever
and
you
don't
want
them
randomly
living
somewhere
under
a
bridge,
don't
even
consider
residency
restrictions.
I
am
a
registered
sex
offender.
Do
you
know
how
hard
it
is
to
find
someone
willing
to
open
their
home
to
me,
I
get.
V
You
would
let
me
live
with
you
based
on
my
label.
Maybe
after
you
got
to
know
me
and
you
heard
of
my
crime,
perhaps
a
sexually
violent,
predator
forget
it.
So
what
I'm
saying
is
it's
already
challenging
enough?
And
if
you
want
to
take
up
one
segment
of
the
society
and
say
you
can't
live
in
our
community
or
500
feet
from
a
school,
and
let
me
explain
500
feet
from
the
school:
that's
where
you
can
sleep
at
night.
That's
where
you
put
your
head
on
your
pillow.
V
That's
all
that
is
it's
not
where
you
go
during
the
day
and
there's
no
piece
of
paper
and
there's
no
law.
That's
going
to
keep
someone
safe.
If
someone,
if
anybody
wants
to
reoffending
violence,
meth
lab
producer,
shoplifter,
no
piece
of
paper
that
they've
signed,
no
law
is
going
to
keep
them
from
reoffending.
V
A
C
That's
it
another
question
for
you:
Tom
I
know
we'll
be
looking
at
the
shelter's
management
plan
here
in
a
few
weeks.
Ultimately,
I
know
it's
the
city,
manager's
discretion,
but
I
think
she's
gonna
at
least
solicit
some
input
from
us.
C
If
you
had
your
druthers
tom,
just
focusing
on
the
shelter
just
for
a
second
between
adopting
an
ordinance
that
preclude
effectively
precluded
sexually
violent
predators
from
living
in
the
shelter,
whether
it's
a
500-foot
radius
but
effectively
did
that
by
ordinance,
as
opposed
contractually
in
a
management
plan
where
the
city
and
the
shelter,
if
they
were
to
agree
to
this,
agreed
that
the
that
the
shelter
would
have
few
or
maybe
no
sexually
violent
predators
within
the
shelter.
Do
you
have
a
preference
between
the
contractual
arrangement
and
passing
an
ordinance
to
that
effect?
C
H
Not
sure
I,
if
your
question
is,
which
is
easier
to
enforce
or
would
be
more
effective,
the
ordinance
would
be
more
effective
if
I
think
in
terms
of
the
things
the
chief
has
said,
with
respect
to
knowing
where
they
are.
If
they
have
no
other
choice,
the
the
restriction,
the
management
plan
is
better.
Okay,
thank
you
and
then
could
I
explain
the
we
have
taken
down
the
list
from
the
website.
I
did
google
it.
While
the
gentleman
was
speaking,
there
is
a
cached
version
from
September
5th.
H
A
Ok,
the
one
thing
that
I
will
offer
is
because
I
don't
see
an
easy
way
forward
is
that
I
did
talk
to
one
of
our
homeless
providers,
who
also
agrees
with
some
of
what's
being
said
that
the
being
homeless
and
jobless
is
correlated
with
facilities
recidivism
and
that
I
don't
like
this
gentleman
just
said:
if
it,
if
we're
worried
about
that,
we
should
figure
out.
You
know
doctor
says:
there's
some
way
to
house
those
folks,
regardless
of
where
that
is
joining
out
me.
That's
an
it.
A
You
know
we're
investing
a
lot
in
homeless
services
already
and
to
have
people
jump
ahead
because
they
have
the
labels
seems
kind
of
crazy.
On
the
other
hand,
I
think
anyhow,
I
just
want
to
put
it
out
there
that
another
one
of
our
trusted
providers
also
sort
of
corroborated
that
finding
that
we
are
not
better
off
having
folks
if
they
end
up
in
our
community,
homeless
and
jobless,
but
if
we
can
prevent
them
from
our
community,
maybe
that's
part
of
it,
but
anyhow
I
just
throw
that
out
there
as
fodder.
L
From
the
first
of
the
four
times
we've
heard
this,
which
is
I,
don't
think
we
should
do
anything
because
well,
the
science
would
certainly
seem
to
indicate
that
restricting
resident
location
at
very
best
does
nothing
and
more
likely
does
bad
things,
and
you
know
I
think
we
do
pride
ourselves
on
listening
to
scientific
evidence,
whether
we
like
it
or
agree
with
it
or
not,
I,
don't
necessarily
like
it,
but
that
doesn't
mean
I
shouldn't,
listen
to
it,
the
concept
of
providing
housing
for
everybody,
whether
they
be
SPPs
or
not.
Well,
first,
they
really
Suzanne.
L
That
does
seem
a
little
crazy
to
let
folks
jump
the
queue
and,
secondly,
not
only
don't
we
have
the
resources
for
it,
but
you
can
be
certain
if
we
said
gee.
If
you're
a
sexual
predator
will
provide
housing
for
you,
we
get
all
the
sexual
predators
in
Colorado,
I
mean
that's
exactly
the
point.
You
provide
the
services
you
get
the
people
to.
L
L
Yes,
I
do
think
we
need
to
make
sure
we
are
not
getting
more
than
our
fair
share.
However,
you
wanted
to
find
that
that
to
me
sounds
eminently
reasonable,
but
that
requires
working
with
the
state,
as
the
chief
is
doing
that's
great.
We
should
pursue
that
absolutely,
but
for
the
much
bigger
number
who
are
not
on
parole
and
that's
why
I
asked
the
question
they
have
the
right
to
go
anywhere.
They
want
to.
We
can't
stop
them
and
just
limiting
their
housing
options.
Sure
doesn't
seem
to
me
like
it's
gonna.
Do
any
good
I
suppose.
L
Maybe
slightly
few
of
them
would
come
here,
but
that
seems
pretty
unlikely.
So
I
don't
think
that's
the
approach.
I'm,
not
convinced
the
working
group
would
do
much
either
it
might
make
some
people
feel
a
little
better.
I
mean
I
suppose
if
it
could
be
done,
it
pretty
low
cost.
That
might
be
worth
doing
just
because
another
investigation
is
maybe
useful,
but
you
know
there's
six
communities
or
seven
that
have
done
something
about
this
in
Colorado
and
all
the
rest.
L
They
apparently
have
decided
that
there
isn't
much
you
can
do
and
I
think
that's
the
position
we're
into
it's
been
an
interesting
conversation.
We've
learned
a
lot
but
I,
then
the
SVP
issue:
well
not
the
SVP,
the
parole
issue,
but
not
all
SVT's
other
than
the
parole
issue,
which
is
absolutely
worth
pursuing.
L
I'm,
not
sure
what
else
is
actually
going
to
get
us
anywhere
at
this
point,
so
I
agree
with
the
staff
recommendation
least
insofar
as
the
ordinance
committee
I,
don't
know,
I
you
know,
I
I
can
see
that's
what
people
will
go
just
because
it
frankly
it
makes
us
feel
like
we're
doing
something.
But-
and
you
never
know
you
might
get
a
really
clever
outcome
and
somebody
comes
up
with
a
really
good
idea.
L
I
don't
want
to
suggest
that
might
not
happen,
but
you
know
what
else
is
going
given
the
other,
the
situation
and
the
rest
of
Colorado,
it
seems
unlikely.
Somebody
would
have
already
come
up
with
a
really
good
idea
if
there
were
one
to
be
had.
So
that's
that's
my
if
it's
not
a
great
situation,
but
it's
not
one
of
our
making
or
fixing.
E
So
I
have
a
question
for
you
Matt,
so
with
respect
to
this
working
group
and
who
might
be
involved
in
it.
You've
read
the
emails
just
like
we
have
and
and
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
are
really
concerned.
Do
you
think
a
working
group
might
help
if
you
get
some
experts
as
well
as
some
residents
on
there,
so
that
you
could
increase
understanding
and
increase
understanding
of
the
problem
in
the
science
and
the
data
that
that
we
have
so.
L
That
would
be
the
hope,
and
if
that
were
the
outcome,
that
would
be
a
good
outcome
and
it
may
be
worth
trying,
but
I
think
when
I
think
an
issues
like
this
and
we've
seen
it
under
a
couple
of
others
where
people
really
have
just
kind
of
a
strong
emotional
view,
it's
they're
a
little
less
open
to
they're
blaming
people.
That's
my
hope.
D
I,
don't
disagree
with
Matt
I'm
gonna
make
one
very
small
recommendation,
and
that
is
given
what
the
parole
board
has
said.
I
think
we
have
to
be
concerned
with
the
success
of
the
management
plan
at
the
homeless
shelter.
So
one
thing
decision
I
think
we
could
make
would
be
to
put
it
in
the
management
plan,
the
homeless
shelter,
to
agree
with
us
that
we
would
not.
They
would
not
accept
parolee
s
vp's
that
to
me,
is
a
no-brainer,
so
that
is
at
least
one
decision
that
we
come
to
tonight.
P
C
Thanks
for
saying
that
Jen
cuz
I
was
going
to
say
the
same
thing,
I
think
that's
a
great
idea.
First,
I
want
to
start
by
thanking
both
the
chief
and
Tom
chief
I
know
we
kind
of,
or
at
least
I
kind
of,
beat
up
on
you
a
little
bit,
and
some
of
us
did
at
the
last
minute.
We
have
because
we
didn't
feel
there
was
adequate
coordination
between
our
local
authorities
and
the
states.
C
Thank
you
very
much
for
reaching
out
to
the
state
and
being
very
proactive
on
that,
and
thanks
Tom
for
bringing
us
as
much
information
as
you
could
I
know.
No
one,
no
one
you're
at
least
up
here
feels
like
they're
experts
of
this
and
we're
all
struggling
with
that.
My
biggest
concern
I
mean
we
all
know
that
SPPs
have
to
live
someplace
and
it
sounds
like
you're
gonna
be
working
with
with
youth
or
the
state
authorities
to
ensure
that
leave
our
fair
share.
I'll
call
it
our
people
at
least
have
connections
here.
C
What
really
troubles
me
is
the
concentration,
the
fact
that
we've
had
you
know
as
many
as
four
this
summer.
Three
right
now
living
at
the
shelter
and
in
Tom
I,
think
your
prediction
may
be
right
that
you
know
in
the
next
decade
or
two
we're
gonna.
Have
we
statewide
because
of
way
that
the
timing
works
out
and
the
pearls
are
gonna
work
out,
we're
all
going
to
have
more
SVP
s
living
in
our
neighborhoods
and
I?
C
Think
if
we
concentrate
them,
whether
it's
four
or
you
know,
maybe
five
years
it'll
be
ten
I'm
all
in
one
place,
I
think
that's
a
that's
a
bad
thing.
We
don't
want
to
live
in
under
bridges,
but
but
that
really
puts
an
undue
burden
on
a
neighborhood,
and
this
neighborhood
has
really
felt
a
lot
of
pain,
the
neighborhood
around
the
shelter
by
virtue
of
that
concentration,
they
feel
they
feel
unsafe,
they're
very
concerned
about
that
so
I
join.
C
You
Jan
I'd
like
to
see
the
SPPs
out
of
the
shelter
and
whether
we
do
that
for
the
management
plan
or
throw
an
ordinance
I'm
fine
with
I'd,
actually
prefer
it
in
the
management
plan.
I
understand
from
an
enforcement
standpoint,
it's
easier
for
the
cops
if
there's
an
ordinance
but
but
I
also
respect
the
shelter
and
I
know
that
they'll
fulfill
whatever
commitments
that
we,
whatever
arrangement
we
make
with
them
and
so
I
think
GN,
starting
with
with
no
parolee
s
VPS
and
the
shelter
is
a
good
start.
C
I
like
to
take
a
step
further
and
say
no
SV
pees
in
the
shelter
at
all.
I,
don't
feel
that
the
as
I
understand
the
proposal
on
the
table
that
says
no
SV
piece
of
the
shelter
unless
they
have
no
place
to
live
I
with
all
due
respect,
I
think
that's
a
bit
of
a
hollow
offer,
because
I
think
that
everybody
who's
at
the
shelter
has
no
other
place
to
live.
Otherwise
they
wouldn't
be
in
the
shelter
so
I'm,
not
sure
that
that
qualifier
is
much
of
a
qualifier.
C
So
my
first
choice
would
be
no
s
VPS
in
the
shelter
at
all.
We
have
to
find
a
place
for
them
to
be,
but
at
least
they'll
be
dispersed
in
neighborhoods
and
that's
less
unfair
than
what
we
have
right
now
may
not
be
fair,
but
it
can
be
less
unfair,
but
at
a
minimum
agree
with
you
GN
that
we
should
be
getting
the
parole,
keeping
the
parolees
out
of
the
shelter
no
longer
have
pearl
beds
for
4s
VPS
and
then
again
we
are.
The
gentleman
was
absolutely
right.
C
We
are
blind,
leading
the
blind
up
here,
common
chief,
he
both
said
you
don't
know
much
about
this.
None
of
us
up
here
know
much
about
this,
and
so
I
actually
do
as
much
as
it
feels
like.
It's
kicking
the
can
down
the
road
a
little
bit
I'd
like
to
take
an
action
tonight,
I'd
like
to
us
to
pass
an
ordinance
but
I.
Don't
think,
there's
the
vote,
sir,
to
do
that,
but
at
a
minimum
I
do
like
the
idea
of
a
working
group
allow
the
marijuana
advisory
panel.
That
was
a
very
highly
functioning
group.
C
We
had
experts,
but
we
also
have
residents
and
and
I'd
like
to
happen
to
have
that
happen
as
quickly
as
possible.
Jane
if,
if
you're
I
assume
that
you'd
be
the
appointing
person
so
that
they
get
together
under
Tom's
guidance
under
the
Chiefs
guidance
and
come
up
with
recommendations
as
quickly
as
possible,
because
then
the
neighborhoods
nuttin,
you
know
we're
gonna,
be
doing
the
management
plan
in
peril,
but
the
neighborhood
does
not
going
to
be
very
patient
with
us.
J
I
Bob
I
think
that
was
all
very
well
put.
So
thank
you
for
that.
I
think
I
found
myself
in
a
very
similar
place
and
Jim.
Thank
you
for
raising
that
idea
of
the
at
a
minimum,
saying
no
parolee
beds
for
SPPs
at
the
shelter,
because
I
think,
as
we've
heard,
the
parole
board
or
whatever
the
offices
would
make
every
effort
to
get
an
SVP
on
parole
in
some
kind
of
semi,
stable
housing
situation.
So
it's
that
would
be
one
case
where
there
would
be
an
alternative
right
so
to
the
shelter.
I
So
that's
that's
a
good
good
rule
to
start
with,
but
but
agree
with
the
the
issues
of
fairness
and
concentration
and
at
the
shelter
and
so
I'd
like
to
see
us
continue
to
push
the
shelter
to
minimize,
reduce
or
eliminate
the
presence
of
SPPs
there.
We
are
developing
said
this
a
few
times
at
other
meetings.
I
We
are
developing
the
wide
variety
of
other
housing
options
for
homeless
folks
in
our
community,
whether
that's
dispersed
housing
first
beds,
vouchers
I
know
that
our
housing
department
is
working
on
the
hard
we
have
the
you
know
the
path
to
home
temporary
shelter.
We
do
have
some
new
emergency
sheltering
options:
anyways
ooh
there
are
more
it
used
to
be
that
homeless.
K
That's
in
the
memo
by
Professor
Richard
G
right
it
is
a
hundred
and
fourteen
page
114
and
professor
Wright
wrote
a
book
called
sex
offender
laws,
failed
policies
and
then
a
reference
is
made
later
on
in
that
section
on
another
book
by
a
couple
of
other
authors,
which
is
titled
sex
offender,
residence,
restriction,
restrictions,
residency
restrictions,
the
law
of
unintended
consequences,
and
the
quote
is
that
perhaps
the
most
popular
and
empirically
ineffective
sex
offender
policy
is
residency
restrictions.
The
empirical
evidence
demonstrates
that
residency
laws
do
not
reduce
recidivism
and
may
increase
risk
to
the
community.
K
It's
our
responsibility
to
watch
out
for
the
safety
of
the
community
and
while
restricting
where
people
can
live,
sounds
good
and
I
said
this
at
the
last
meeting
it
may
make
you
feel
safer,
but
you're,
really
not
I
I
would
hesitate
to
put
residency
restrictions
and
and
to
say
that
we
can't
allow
people
at
the
shelter.
Well
then,
what
happens
if
we
can't
place
them
somewhere
else
they
might
be
out
on
the
streets,
and
then
it
does
exactly
as
what
these
scientists
have
found
is
that
it
increases
the
risk
to
the
community.
K
So
I
am
excuse
me
I,
am
that's
the
one.
That's
something
I
don't
want
to
do.
Is
increase
increase
risk
to
the
community
and
and
I
think
that
that
statement
Bob
about,
if
they
have
nowhere
else
to
go
I
think
could
be
narrowed
to
the
sexually
violent
predators
and
if
I
mean
but
then,
but
then
there
are
people
that
are
basically
can
come
here
and
are
free
to
do
to
live
where
they
want.
So
I
would
be
open
to
convening
a
task
force,
but
I
wonder
you
know.
A
Okay,
so
we
have
a
little
bit
of
Q,
but
can
I
just
stop
and
see
if,
if
we
have
agreement
on
certain
things,
one
is
what
the
chief
was
talking
about,
working
with
the
Department
of
Corrections.
To
do
everything
we
can
to
minimize
folks
are
not
coming
here
that
don't
have
connections.
We
all
agreement
in
that
was
okay,
starting
here.
What
sounds
like
critical
mass
for
a
working
group
is
that,
where
we're
headed,
okay,
I'd.
E
A
C
E
Give
knowing
and
I
just
want
to
speak
for
Sam
in
my
conversation
with
him
this
morning
he
doesn't
want
housing
restrictions,
so
he
know
he
was.
That
was
my
question
earlier.
He
was
more
interested
in
during
the
daytime
where
they
might
go
and
he
wanted
to
look
into
a
bubble
zone
around
schools,
parts
and
I
think
pools,
so
schools
parks,
playgrounds
and
schools.
So
he
wanted
okay
and
that
ring
the
days
restriction.
A
L
L
That's
next
to
a
park,
and
not
very
far
from
the
school
and
on
and
on
and
on,
and
have
you
really
solved
anything
so
I
think
I
think
it's
kind
of
okay,
but
subject
to
a
little
better
understanding
of
what
it
really
means.
But
I
would
limit
it
to
the
people
on
parole
at
the
moment
and
before
you
did
anything
else,
fine,
let
this
working
group
figure
out
what
the
implications
might
be
of
any
additional
at.
L
P
L
L
I
mean
Jam
started
it
and
I
think
it
was
a
good
point
that
in
theory,
if,
when
they're
on
parole,
it's
the
state's
response
I'm
using
the
state
in
kind
of
a
generic
sense
here,
the
state's
responsibility
to
find
some
place
for
these
people
to
live
well.
Okay,
let
them
do
that
instead
of
making
it
our
responsibility,
but
I
do
think
we
need
to
understand
what
the
practical
implications
of
that
would
be
and
I
sitting
here
tonight.
We
don't
understand
that
Andrew.
A
F
L
A
M
L
L
Again,
I
don't
know
that
it's
massively
different
one
way
or
another
I.
The
problem
with
an
ordinance
right
now
feels
to
me
at
least.
Is
we
don't
really
understand
what
the
implications
are?
Making
the
change?
That's
all
and
I
think
we
need
to
understand
that
better,
and
maybe
the
timing
will
be
that
we
will
in
the
next
council
will
understand
the
time-
maybe
not
but
sitting
here
tonight,
without
talking
to
the
state.
We
would
we're
just
guessing
what
the
implications
would
be
and.
A
L
Can
be
anywhere
they
want
to
be,
is
the
problem
in
a
sense
we
don't
have
control
over
what
community
they
choose
to
live
in,
and
the
state
is
not
going
to
do
anything
to
find
them
housing
because
they're
not
on
parole,
anymore,
I,
mean
I,
think
the
point
was
and
Jen
made.
The
point
well
was
that
all
there
on
parole,
the
state
has
some
responsibility,
these
people's
so
great.
Let
the
state
have
some
responsibility
once
they're
off
parole.
E
E
H
D
A
E
A
K
H
C
H
E
Mean
it
seems
to
me
that
we
have
it's
kind
of
a
linear
type
of
steps
that
we
have
to
take
that
first,
you
know
I
think
we
need
to
see
this
working
group
with
residents
and
experts
and
people
that
expressed
a
year
out
what
their
recommendations
are
going
to
be
work
with
the
homeless,
shelter
and
gray
in
terms
of
the
management
plan.
That's
coming
back
and
I,
don't
know
the
timing,
so
it's
coming.
A
A
A
So
you,
the
two
of
you,
want
to
in
an
ordinance
I
guess
given
that,
what's
before
us
immediately,
given
that
we're
trying
to
help
the
shelter
plan
get
launched,
we
have
neighborhood
concerns
is
to
advise
them
to
recommend
that
they
put
that
in
the
plan.
We
can
always
come
back
later
if
we
need
an
ordinance,
but
in
terms
of
the
timing,
factor
by
December,
5th
I
guess
like
I
would
go
with
the
plan
just
because
that's
the
vehicle
that
is
moving
now
yep.
Q
A
A
M
X
You
good
evening,
council
members
I'm
here
really
just
to
introduce
Beth
Chamberlain
from
the
comprehensive
planning
division.
This
is
a
project
that
Beth
has
taken.
The
leadership
on
she's
gonna,
give
the
presentation,
and
then
both
of
us
will
be
here
available
to
answer
any
questions
so
with
that
I'll
turn
it
over
to
Beth
great.
W
So
here
you
can
see
the
specific
changes
being
requested
for
each
neighborhood.
Knollwood
is
requesting
a
map
change
from
area
3,
rural
preservation
to
area
2
and
Spring.
Valley
Estates
is
requesting
a
map
change
from
outside
the
planning
area,
boundary
to
area
2
and
because
Spring
Valley
is
currently
located
outside
the
planning
area
boundary
it
doesn't
have
a
land
use
designation,
and
so,
if
the
neighborhood
is
moved
inside
the
planning
area,
it
will
be
assigned
a
land
use.
Designation
of
a
low
density,
residential.
W
So
these
requests
are
a
final
step
in
the
2015
Comprehensive
Plan
Update
process
and
they're
being
considered
now
for
two
reasons.
The
first
is
that
the
changes
would
alleviate
any
health
and
safety
concerns
such
as
having
to
manually
connect
the
neighborhood's
private
water
systems
to
city
water
during
emergency
situations
like
wildfires,
and
the
second
reason
would
be.
The
proposed
changes
would
bring
the
neighborhoods
into
alignment
with
the
changes
that
were
made
to
the
blue
line
in
November
2016.
W
So,
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
the
blue
line,
changes
the
city's
blue
line,
which
you
can
see
in
this
map,
identify
a
boundary
above
which
the
city
will
not
provide
water
service.
So
the
new
alignment
of
the
blue
line
is
shown
in
the
dark
blue,
with
the
previous
alignment
shown
in
the
light,
blue,
both
neighborhoods
were
moved
below
the
blue
line
in
November
2016
and
based
on
the
policy
1.1
6b
of
the
comprehensive
plan.
W
The
city
encourages
them
to
actively
pursue
annexation
of
properties
below
the
blue
line,
so
both
Knollwood
and
Spring
Valley
fit
this
description
and
changing
their
designation
to
area
two
would
bring
the
neighborhood's
into
alignment
with
this
policy,
so
the
staff
has
reached
out
to
residents
about
the
proposed
changes
through
a
couple.
Different
methods
through
mailings
to
all
the
residents
affected
by
this
have
they've
posted
information
on
the
city's
website
and
we've
had
open
office
hours.
City
staff
has
also
met
with
residents
from
both
of
the
neighborhoods
to
discuss
potential
annexation
costs.
W
So
based
on
the
new
IgA
amendment
procedures,
the
approval
process
for
each
neighborhood
is
a
little
bit
different.
The
map
change
for
Knollwood
will
be
a
two-body
decision
by
Planning,
Board
and
City
Council,
and
this
request
was
reviewed
by
Planning
Board
on
October
19th
and
was
unanimously
approved.
It
was
sent
to
the
county
for
recommendation
as
a
referral
and
they
took
it
to
the
board
of
county
commissioners
who
also
Union
unanimously
recommended
approval
and
because
Spring
Valley's
request
is
slightly
different.
W
W
The
next
few
slides
will
provide
some
information
about
the
existing
and
proposed
conditions
for
each
neighborhood
individually.
As
you
can
see
here,
Knollwood
is
an
enclave
located
near
the
city's
western
edge,
just
north
of
Pearl
Street
and
we've
already
gone
through
the
request
and
the
approval
required
for
this.
So
I'll
skip
to
the
existing
conditions.
It
is
a
28
acre
site
with
51
parcels,
48
of
which
are
already
developed
with
single-family
homes,
and
the
current
land
use
is
very
low-density
residential,
so
the
neighborhood
is
connected
to
the
city's
sewer
system.
W
However,
they
aren't
connected
to
the
city's
water
system
and
instead
provide
water
service
through
their
own
metropolitan
district,
and
here
you
can
just
see
the
existing
and
proposed
map
changes.
The
neighborhood
is
mostly
surrounded
by
area.
One
properties
which
you
can
see
in
that
yellow
to
the
east.
W
Spring
Valley
Estates
is
also
located
along
the
city's
western
edge
just
north
of
Linden
Avenue.
Again,
we've
gone
through
the
request
and
approval
process
required
for
this,
so
the
existing
conditions
of
this
site
or
that
it's
41
acres
and
includes
36
parcels
35,
which
are
already
developed
with
single-family
homes.
W
It's
outside
the
planning
area
boundary
as
I
mentioned
so
Spring
Valley,
doesn't
currently
have
a
land
use
designation
and
it
will
be
designated
very
low
density
residential
if
approved,
and
this
land
use
designation,
matches
the
existing
existing
intensity
on
the
site
and
is
the
lowest
land
use
designation
that
we
have.
However,
we
do
have
once
it
if
it
is
annexed
into
the
city.
W
So
with
that
staff
recommends
approval
of
the
proposed
area,
changes
for
both
Knollwood
and
Spring
Valley,
based
on
the
criteria
outlined
in
the
BB
C
amendment
procedures
and
which
were
listed
in
your
packet
and,
in
addition,
staff
recommends
the
Planning
Board
or
sorry.
The
City
Council
approve
these
map
changes
using
the
following
motion:
language
with
that
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
follow-up
questions.
W
I
W
I
So
one
either
30,000
or
15,000
so
that
that's
like
a
little
over
a
unit,
an
acre
like
the
30,000
one
would
be.
If
my
math
is
correct,
then
in
looking
at
the
densities
that
those
developments
are
already
at
there's
a
little
bit
lower
density
than
that
you
know
so,
would
there
be
any
possibility
for
any
of
the
parcels
to
be
subdivided
under
the
like
the
rural,
residential
designation?
So.
W
So
in
in
Spring
Valley,
you
can
see
here
that
the
larger
parcels
are
located
on
the
west
side,
the
north
west
side
and
the
blue
line
does
run
through
those.
So
if
they
were
to
subdivide,
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
get
water
service
to
that
west
side
of
those
parcels.
So
really
you
can't
subdivide
those
and
still
have
a
second
development
that
would
be
connected
to
city
water.
Additionally,
I
believe
that
those
zoning
designations
they're
about
half
as
much
as
the
land
use
designation
allows.
I
W
E
We're
and
I
had
very
similar
questions.
My
first
question
is
just
just
based
on
what
you
know
right
now:
how
many
of
these
properties
do
you
anticipate
annexing
I
mean
and
and
in
conjunction
with
that
question,
would
you
if
there
were
requests
with
the
city,
encourage
the
enclave
to
come
in
as
one
or
would
you
do
it
piecemeal
and
that
has
significant
cost
to
it?
So.
W
The
intent
behind
both
of
these
is
to
annex
the
neighborhood
as
a
whole
because
they
are
on
a
private
water
system.
We
would
want
to
do
them
all
or
nothing,
and
one
of
the
emails
that
came
in
about
Spring
Valley
Estates
was
actually
a
request
for
that
exact
thing,
because
they
don't
want
people
piecemealing
off
of
their
water
system,
because
I
would
be
really
difficult
for
them
to
maintain.
E
That's
great
and
then
I
had
the
same
question
as
as
Aaron
about
potential
development
on
these
Lots
and
as
you're
probably
well
aware.
Spring
Creek
is
on
a
moving
alluvial
fan,
even
though
it's
moving
very
slowly.
It
is
moving
and
so
I
think
there,
with
the
2013
floods
I
would
hope.
We
would
be
very
cognizant
of
the
land
movement
that
happened
during
the
2013
floods
and
but
the
potential
risks.
The
hazards
that
are
there.
W
A
A
A
okay
I
just
want
to
do
not
saying
we,
there
seems
to
be
a
movement
in
one
direction.
I
got
that
I
just
met
same
with
the
people
that
haven't
studied
it,
don't
have
to
worry,
they're
gonna,
see
it
again.
Okay,
do
there
any
more
questions?
Oh
look
hearing!
No
one
signed
up.
Anybody
want
to
speak
to
this.
E
Yep
yeah,
so
I'm
gonna
move
to
approve
Boulder,
Valley,
Comprehensive
Plan
planning
area,
one
two:
three
map
change
from
area;
three
rural
preservation
to
area
two
from
Norwood,
as
shown
and
described
in
attachment
a
second
and
then
can
I
just
go
to
the
next
one
sure
I'd
like
to
move
to
approve
a
Boulder,
Valley,
Comprehensive
Plan
planning
area.
One
two:
three
map
change
from
outside
the
planning
area:
boundary
to
area
two
and
assign
a
land
use
designation,
a
very
low
density
for
Spring
Valley
as
states
as
shown
and
described
in
attachment.
B.
Second
and
I.
I
I
The
blue
line,
I
just
like
I,
think
you'd
be
good
to
have
the
minutes
reflect
that
I
think
it
would
be
a
good
idea
when
and
if
the
time
comes,
to
annex
these
properties
too
right
into
the
annexation
agreement
of
prohibition
against
subdividing
just
to
provide
that
safety
backdrop
that,
even
if
it
seems
like
well
gosh,
you
really
can't
do
it
because
of
various
rules,
just
get
it
in
the
annexation
agreement,
so
that
we
can
be
a
hundred
percent
clear.
Yet
that
there'd
be
no
additional
development
potential
brought
about
by
the
annexation.
Yep.
B
C
That
would
involve
an
investment
that
I
have,
in
addition
to
that,
I
have
a
plane
to
catch
because
I'm
going
to
National
League
of
Cities
and
regrettably,
I
have
a
red-eye
that
leaves
in
a
couple
hours
so
I'm
going
to
take
my
leave
Matt
and
Jan
and
Andrew.
It's
been
my
pleasure
serving
with
you
I,
look
forward
to
toasting
your
departures
and
you've
rest
your
life
over
some
beers
in
the
coming
weeks.
A
I
thought
I
was
going
to
have
to
would
if
you
want
to
well
I'll,
just
I'll,
just
teed
up
to
say,
I'm,
bringing
this
forward
as
a
potential
lawsuit,
not
a
five
for
staff
to
further
look
into
this,
and
we
could
vote
on
it,
hopefully
rather
relatively
soon.
To
me,
this
is
the
kind
of
sort
of
forward-thinking
climate
litigation
that
we'd
want
to
be
a
part
of
on
that
being
explained
it.
But
if
you
want
to
go
ahead.
H
H
We
have
been
approached
by
doing
more
of
more
like
something
like
the
latter
that
is
suing
under
a
nuisance
or
negligence
theory
in
state
court,
which
is
what
they've
done
in
California,
not
in
the
federal
court
to
to
client
to
recover
the
damages
the
city
has
suffered
and
potentially
will
suffer
as
a
result
of
climate
change
from
the
intentional
sale
of
the
products
that
these
companies
knew
or
should
have
known,
were
contributing
to
climate
change.
As
a
as
I
think,
I
said,
the
theory
is
similar
to
that
that
was
used
against
the
tobacco
industry.
H
That
is
various
jurisdictions
suit
for
the
cost
that
were
imposed
basically
through
their
health
care
systems
on
their
citizens
for
damages
that
incurred
through
the
use
of
tobacco
that
tobacco
companies
profited
from
it,
and
Neuer
should
have
known
what
we're
going
to
cause
those
injuries.
Obviously,
California
is
a
coastal
community.
We
are
not,
and
so
the
people
have
approached
us
are
interested
in
branching
out
to
other
communities
in
the
country
who
have
different
kinds
of
climate
effects
than
those
that
are
affecting
the
global,
no
coastal
communities.
H
This
not
a
five
would
be
to
basically
direct
me
to
work
with
this
group
that
has
contacted
Suzanne
and
find
out
the
details
about
what
they're
planning
to
I
understand.
The
county
is
also
interested
and
from
what
Suzanne
has
told
me,
they're
not
expecting
us
to
pay
for
the
litigation.
They
would
be
doing
it
themselves.
We
would
be
a
named
party.
H
We
would
have
some
potential
risk
if
it
was
deemed
frivolous
for
attorneys
fees,
but
we
I
would
want
to
work
and
examine
how
to
limit
that
potential
risk
so
that
the
city
didn't
have
any
exposure.
If
you
nod
to
do
this,
I
will
try
to
get
back
to
you
as
soon
as
possible,
maybe
even
by
the
December
5th
meeting,
with
an
answer
on
whether
or
not
we
a
recommendation
on
whether
we
and
more
information
now
this
because
I
didn't
get
the
Suzanne's
email,
it
didn't
get
I
think
didn't
come
up
til
yesterday.
So
you
that's.
L
Quick
question
you
you
partially
answered
it,
which
is
since
this
would
be
filed
in
state
court
and
I,
get
that
this
organization
would
really
be
doing
the
lawsuit
suit.
Do
we
know
if
they're,
rather
maybe
this
question
for
you
Suzanne?
Are
there
other
communities
in
Colorado
that
are
interested
in
this?
Since
it's
in
state
court,
it's
got
to
be
places
in
the
state
of
Colorado
right.
E
A
A
A
Well,
that's
true,
and
that's
so
the
knot
of
five
is
to
have
our
attorneys
spend
some
time.
I'm
just
trying
to
go
through
the
procedure,
so
just
is
to
have
him
look
into
it.
Mostly,
it
would
be
the
Lord,
well
other
lawyers
being
paid
by
other
people.
To
do
this.
There
would
be
some
amount
of
work
which
is
I,
think
what
we
want
to
find
out.
Okay,.
A
E
K
So
the
guiding
principles
of
the
working
group
have
been
to
create
cost-effectiveness
and
equitable
access
convenience,
increased
ridership
meet
the
striated
strategic
budget
plans,
brand
loyalty,
I
will
pause
there
and
revenue
certainty
and
simplifying
writer
operation
operator
and
interactions.
So
the
members
are
John
tire
of
the
chamber,
David
Cook
at
CU
and
Scot
McCarey,
Boulder,
County
and
myself.
K
So
there
was
a
lot
of
concern
that
was
expressed
by
the
community
and
that
was
because
I
believe
go.
Boulder.
Put
out
an
a
listserv
email
to
all
of
the
eco
nico
pass
coordinators,
and
so
they
were
all
really
concerned
that
the
eco
pest
was
going
to
go
away.
That
wasn't
the
case
today.
We
were
actually
just
getting
an
update
on
the
modeling
of
three
options
that
are
on
the
table,
and
so
we
had
three
options
and
I'll
go
over
and
real
quickly
option
B
and
their
options.
B
C
and
E.
K
A
and
D
went
away.
So
the
option
B
is
a
stored
value
card,
which
is
my
ride
card,
which
is
known
as
today,
and
what
you
do
is
you
load
it
with
some
amount
of
fare
and
you
effectively
get
10%
more.
You
get
what
10%
more
than
what
you
load.
So
if
you
load
$100
you
get
a
hundred
and
ten
dollars
loaded
and
that's
effectively
the
discount.
K
It
would
have
a
50%
discount
it
passed
for
low
income
up
to
200%
of
the
federal
poverty
level.
The
Eco
pass
in
this
case
would
be
eliminated,
the
college
pass
program
would
be
eliminated
and
the
neighborhood
eco
pass
program
would
be
eliminated
and
there
would
be
no
youth
program.
So
that's
terrible
option:
B,
okay,
well.
G
K
And
see
for
perhaps
so
story
the
option.
C
is
the
same
kind
of
concept.
With
the
stored
value
card,
except
you
get
25
cents
out
the
full
fare
discount
and
again
it
would
be
50%
discount
it
for
200%
of
the
federal
poverty
level
it
would
hold
on
to
the
day
pass
of
the
current
day
pass,
which
is
priced
at
two
times.
K
The
single
fare,
the
monthly
pass
and
the
business
eco
pass
would
be
replaced
with
a
pricing
utilization
pricing,
which
means
that
businesses
would
buy
up
these
passes
and
then
they
would
pay
according
to
how
many
people
used
it
for
how
many
rides.
So
it
would
basically
be
you
pay
for
each
ride
the
25
cents
discount,
and
that
would
be
the
discount
25
cents
25
cents,
which
right
now,
you
yeah.
So
it
is
so.
The
the
college
pass
would
be
replaced
by
similar
approach
with
the
utilization
pricing.
K
The
nikko
pass
would
be
eliminated
and
there
would
be
no
Youth
pass
option.
Ii
is
as
John
Terry
likes
to
call
it
is
that
don't
throw
the
baby
out
with
the
bathwater
approach,
which
is
improve?
What
we
have
the
Eco
passed,
the
business
Eco
passed,
the
college
pass
the
nikko
pass
with
a
youth
program
added
and
a
low
income
option
at
what.
K
You
know
sort
of
an
affiliation
sort
of
approach
and
it
would
retain
the
the
business
Eco
pass,
but
would
add
a
$5
fee
to
each
pass
that's
available
and
that
$5
fee
would
go
to
support
the
low-income
pass.
The
college
passed
$5,
so
$5
or
some
amount
that
would
cover
the
gap
to
provide
that
low-income
pass
program.
K
Would
just
be
the
fee:
it's
like
an
it's
like
an
added
yeah,
but
five
bucks
per
actually
five
bucks
is
what
was
thrown
out
there.
Okay,
a
whole
analysis
needs
to
happen.
Okay,
so
we
don't
know
exactly
what
that
fee
would
be.
The
college
Pass
would
remain
the
same.
The
Neko
Pass
would
remain
the
same
and
then
the
new
Youth
pass
would
be
added.
So
what
we
saw
saw
today
were
just
some
very
initial
modeling
results,
very,
very,
very
high-level.
K
K
K
Options,
and
one
of
them
is
that
if
you
remove
a
business
Eco
pass,
for
example,
you
would
still
retain
two-thirds
of
the
employees
that
were
previously
using
it.
Everything
that
we
know
about
any
past
program
is
that
if
you
take
away
that
kind
of
discount
people
are
gonna,
go
back
to
yeah,
driving
or
seven.
K
So,
like
I
said,
the
we're
still
a
long
way
and
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
get
get
across
to
our
TV
and
I.
Think
that
the
working
group
generally
agrees
that
doing
away
with
the
Eco
pass
in
any
of
its
form
would
increase
vehicle
trips
and
traffic
congestion,
parking
demand,
greenhouse
gas
emissions
and
a
recruitment
and
retention
retention
of
employees.
So
there's
a
lot
of
downsides
to
doing
away
with
it,
and
that
is
all
not
to
mention
the
estimated
forty
million
dollars
annually.
That
eco
passes
contribute
to
our
TD
revenue.
K
K
The
working
group
will
make
recommendations
to
the
RTD
board
and
at
the
initial
meetings
there
was,
there
were
about
three
of
the
working
group
meetings
at
which
the
director
of
RTD
Dave
de
Nova
was
at
these
meetings
and
myself
and
others
pressed
him
and
said:
are
we
just
checking
a
box
here?
Are
we
just
going
through
the
motions
and
every
single
time
he
was
there?
We
asked
him
and
he
said
no.
This
is
going
to
be
taken
very
seriously
by
the
board.
I
K
You
Erin
and
one
of
the
things
I
would
like
to
stress
to
the
community
is
so
a
lot
of
of
the
organizers
of
the
nico
passes
showed
up
today
and
spoke.
There's
public
comment
at
the
beginning
of
all
the
meetings
and
I
would
encourage
business
leaders
to
show
up
and
speak
up
as
well,
because
it's
a
Chamber
asking
them
so
we
kind
of
had
a
meeting
on
the
way
home.
Today
we
were
talking
about
this
and
yeah.
K
E
John
with
me
this
also,
if
this
goes
through
in
an
adverse
way
to
our
community
and
other
communities.
The
also
affects
some
basic
infrastructure,
because
we've
had
these
eco
passes
now
for
a
while
25
years,
yeah
and
and
I
think
some
of
our
planning
has
been
set
with
how
you
know
our
parking
unbundling,
the
parking,
reducing
the
amount
of
parking,
because
people
now
use
there
are
seven
times
more
likely
to
use
their
eco
pass
than
if
they
don't
have
it.