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A
B
Welcome
everybody,
Boulder
County,
Boulder,
well,
Boulder
City,
Council
studies,
session
of
July,
ninth
2019
welcome
back
from
break
everybody,
as
you
can
tell
it
was
a
good
break,
can't
remember
anything,
and
we
have
two
issues
tonight
and
the
first
of
which
is
dealing
with
climate
change.
So
I
guess
I'm
handing
it
over
to
what.
C
Well,
thank
you.
Mary
City
Council
tonight
we're
here
to
talk
about
climate
change
and,
as
many
of
you
have
probably
noticed,
there's
a
tremendous
groundswell
among
the
youth
of
our
community
and
across
the
world
actually
and
this
community's
blessed
with
some
truly
extraordinary
young
people.
So
with
us
tonight
and
given
the
importance
of
this
topic,
we
wanted
to
open
this
with
a
group
by
the
name
of
young
women's
voices
for
climate
and
to
introduce
that
group
is
oznas.
D
Great
hello,
my
name
is
Beth
Ausmus
I'm,
a
professor
of
theatre
and
environmental
studies
at
the
University
of
Colorado
and
I've
had
the
great
pleasure
of
working
for
the
last
year
with
these
young
women
who
are
Boulder,
City
middle
and
high
school
students
who
are
concerned
with
climate
and
have
been
meeting
once
a
week
to
come
and
do
these
activities
as
we
look
to
expand
and
our
scope
and
our
scale
of
our
climate
action.
I.
A
F
G
J
H
In
fall
of
last
year,
we
performed
at
CU
in
front
of
upwards
of
150
people
for
Maria.
Oye
has
lecture
on
youth
and
climate.
Maria
said
the
actively
involving
adolescents,
while
they
are
still
relatively
young,
is
important.
Regarding
climate
related
issues,
since
research
reveals
that
pessimism
about
addressing
climate
change
increases
with
age,
particularly
from
early
to
late
adolescence,
we
also
sang
our
what's
climate
got
to
do
with
it
song.
H
G
I
J
K
Performances,
it
was
incredibly
inspiring
to
see
the
young
audience
that
we
performed
to
interact
and
join
us
in
finding
ways
to
reverse
climate
change.
Our
second
skit
wind
turbines
is
we're.
Gonna
do
a
song
from
that
right
now
and
if
you
guys
have
any
more
questions,
please
refer
to
the
pamphlets
that
we've
handed
out.
H
C
On
in
front
of
all
of
you,
there
are
some
fliers
about
the
work
that
they're
doing
and
of
the
group
that
they
belong
to
so
I'd
like
to
take
a
moment
to
introduce
to
my
left,
Jonathan
Cohen,
our
senior
sustainability
policy
advisor
and
Ratkin
Karen,
our
senior
policy
advisor
for
climate
sustainability
and
resilience,
and
myself
I'm
Steve
Kat
nak.
The
director
of
the
climate
initiatives
department
and
I'd,
also
like
to
recognize
that
about
half
of
the
climate
initiatives.
Department
is
also
here
and
is
looking
very
forward
to
this
conversation
with
Council.
C
So
tonight
what
we
wanted
to
discuss
with
all
of
you
is
really
more
that
process
and
get
your
thoughts
on
how
we
should
be
approaching
the
development
of
new
strategies
to
address
what
we
know
is
a
more
urgent
crisis
and
how
best
to
go
about
doing
that.
I
would
like
from
that,
to
turn
it
over
to
Bret
for
his
presentation,
Thank.
L
You
Steve
again,
my
name
is
Brett
ken
Karen
I'm,
the
senior
policy
advisor
for
climate
resilience
and
sustainability.
Here
for
the
city,
it's
my
honor
and
my
privilege
to
be
here
this
evening,
representing
so
many
people
who
are
a
part
of
this
work,
not
only
the
remarkable
colleagues
we
have
in
climate
initiatives.
L
There
are
many
members
of
our
other
staff
open
spaces
here
to
these
this
evening
transportations
here
this
evening,
and
really
we
also
represent
many
many
people
in
our
community
who
have
been
working
on
this
for
many
years,
some
of
whom
are
sitting
in
the
audience
tonight
as
well.
So
I
want
to
acknowledge
that
really.
This
is
the
culmination
and
the
continuation
of
all
of
that
work
just
to
review
for
those
who
can't
perhaps
see
the
screen.
I'll
just
read
the
questions
that
we
bring
to
council
this
evening.
L
First,
based
on
the
current
science
and
recent
changes
in
context,
should
the
city
expand,
accelerate
or
identify
new
climate
action
goals
and
if
so,
does
Council
have
specific
recommendations.
For
that.
Second,
does
council
want
to
consider
a
climate
emergency
resolution
as
some
in
the
community
of
call
for
third?
L
Does
the
council
agree
with
the
climate
action
focus
areas
that
we'll
discuss
this
evening
and
are
there
any
others
or
are
there
particular
ones
that
council
believes
we
should
prioritize
in
addition
to
the
list
and
part
of
what
we
will
be
discussing
this
evening
as
a
strategy
for
moving,
is
a
process
for
developing
a
strategy
moving
forward,
and
so
we
have
a
list
of
organizations
and
stakeholders.
We've
started
to
reach
out
to
and
we'd
like
to
know.
L
L
We
believe
that
we
have
learned
from
the
work
we've
done
over
the
past
15
or
so
years,
and
how
that
should
inform
how
we
go
forward
based
on
these
changes
in
context
and
finally,
to
describe
the
process
that
we
are
proposing
to
work
with
our
community
and
others
to
develop
this
updated
climate
strategy.
So
let's
talk
a
little
bit
about
this
changed
context.
L
L
So
much
has
changed
in
just
this
period
of
time,
and
that
was
completely
affirmed
and
illustrated
in
the
report
that
the
UN
panel
of
scientists,
the
Intergovernmental
Panel
on
Climate
Change,
released
in
October
of
this
past
year,
and
there
were
a
number
of
findings
there
that
have
sort
of
set
into
stark
relief.
How
significant
climate
change
has
become
first
is
that
climate
change
is
in
fact,
not
only
happening,
but
it's
accelerating.
L
So
or
so
years,
if
we
continue
at
our
current
rates,
this
report
also
noted
that
the
thing
we've
been
focusing
on
almost
exclusively
emissions
reduction
is
no
longer
going
to
be
sufficient
by
itself
to
stabilize
climate.
We
now
have
to
also
initiate
we
capturing
the
carbon
that
we've
released
at
very
large
scales
and,
finally,
that
our
communities
must
now
prepare
for
climate
change,
because
it
is
not
only
happening,
it
will
continue
to
happen
and
with
greater
intensity,
even
as
we
work
now
to
stabilize
that
situation.
L
Energy
systems
change
was,
of
course,
we've
been
working
on
for
many
years,
regenerating
ecosystems
and
now,
especially
how
we
work
with
these
ecosystems
to
recapture
carbon
through
sequestration
and
also
how
we
change
this
consumption
and
waste
oriented
economy
into
a
more
circular
one,
and
that
all
of
that
we
said
in
2016
had
to
be
done
from
the
context
of
how
addressed
our
community's
well-being
and
equity
issues.
What
we
now
know
is
that
there
is
a
fifth
element.
L
Yet,
despite
those
very
ambitious
goals
that
we
set
and
that
a
number
of
other
communities
have
set
as
well,
what
we
now
know
is
that
it's
insufficient
and
I
do
want
to
note
that,
unfortunately,
as
sobering
as
the
IPCC
report
is
the
Intergovernmental
Panel
on
Climate
change's
report
is,
it
is
actually
somewhat
muted
in
comparison
to
some
of
the
science
which
now
emerging.
There
is
a
concept
now
in
science,
and
this
is
a
quote
from
a
peer-reviewed
scientific
report.
L
That's
talking
about
a
phenomena
called
hothouse
earth
in
which
we
cross
thresholds
that
there
it's
the
possibility
that
we
could
cross
thresholds,
which
we
cannot
turn
back
from
in
terms
of
the
warming
of
the
climate,
and
so
I
want
to
read
this
just
because
it's
so
important,
I
think
to
hear
these
words
incremental
linear
change
to
the
present
socio-economic
systems
are
not
enough
to
stabilize
the
Earth's
system.
Widespread,
rapid
and
fundamental
transformations
will
be,
will
likely
be
required
to
reduce
the
risk
of
crossing
the
threshold
and
locking
in
the
hothouse
earth
pathway.
L
So
we
know
that
our
current
efforts
are
insufficient
in
part
because
global
emissions
continue
to
increase.
We
also
know,
unfortunately,
through
recent
analysis
that,
even
though
cities
have
been
a
very
important
part
of
trying
to
lead
this
effort,
the
scale
of
actions
within
even
the
most
ambitious
cities
have
not
been
achieving
those
objectives,
and
we
know
that
we're
not
seeing
the
spread
of
climate
action
into
other
cities.
There
are
17,000
municipalities
in
the
United
States
less
than
5%
of
them
are
actually
engaged
in
climate
action
and
that
number
is
not
rapidly
growing.
L
So
we
need
to
step
back
and
say.
Why
is
that?
And
how
do
we
change
that?
So
here
are
some
of
the
things
that
we
believe
are
at
the
root
of
why
our
strategies
haven't
worked
to
date.
One
of
the
first
of
these
is
that
we've
been
attempting
to
compel
change
at
an
individual
level.
It's
not
that
what
we
do
isn't
important.
It's
just
that
by
trying
to
make
people
change
individually,
that's
not
going
to
change
things
at
a
systems
level.
L
We
actually
need
to
figure
out
the
ways
that
we
change
the
conditions
so
that
people
don't
have
to
do
the
thing
that
is
difficult
or
complicated
or
expensive.
Also
that
we've
been
taking
the
same
approach
with
cities,
we've
been
hoping
that
each
a
city
at
a
time
could
actually
achieve
these
kinds
of
scales
of
action.
That's
not
happening.
We
know
that
markets
aren't
driving
this
sufficiently.
And
finally,
we
now
know
that
cities
don't
control
all
the
factors
that
they
need
to
accomplish
these
goals.
L
We
control
where
our
power
source,
we
don't
control,
how
the
automobiles
are
designed.
We
don't
control
many
of
the
regional
transportation
and
investments
that
are
critical
to
this.
So
what
do
we
need?
We
need
to
focus
on
changing
systems
and
not
people.
We
need
to
start
working
with
in
zazz
cities
outside
of
our
boundaries
and
especially
in
partnership
with
many
others,
and
we
need
to
start
creating
progressive
city
policies.
So
this
has
been
sort
of
the
bummer
part
of
the
presentation.
I
promise
it's
gonna
get
a
little
better.
L
M
Okay,
so
thanks
mayor
members
of
council,
Jonathan,
Cohen
I'm,
the
other
senior
sustainability
policy
adviser.
So
my
part
of
the
presentation
tonight
is
relatively
short,
but
Bret
and
I
really
thought.
It
was
important
to
highlight
some
of
the
recent
policy
efforts
that
really
aims
to
support
our
climate.
M
But
rather
a
matter
of
acting
the
right
policies
and
ensuring
that
they're,
properly
designed
and
enforced,
which
really
requires
a
coordinated
action
across
multiple
sectors
of
government
and
levels
of
government
and
be
clear
when
we
talk
about
policy
reform,
it's
really
not
something.
That's
terribly
new
to
the
city.
We've
been
working
in
the
area
of
policy
for
quite
a
while,
but
it
really
is
just
recently
they'll
be
put
a
lot
of
it.
Tension
on
the
climate
policy.
M
There
we
go
so
what
I
wanted
to
do
is
take
you
through
just
a
real
quick
snapshot
of
the
different
areas
of
policy,
work
that
we
do
and
give
you
some
examples,
so
starting
kind
of
at
the
high
level
at
the
national
level.
You
know
your
policy
adviser,
Cara,
Castillo
I,
think,
does
a
really
terrific
job
at
keeping
us
very
closely
aligned
with
our
delegates
in
d.c,
making
sure
that
we
have
a
seat
at
the
table
when
necessary
and
connecting
us
to
these
federal
policy
issues.
One
in
particular
issue
that
I
wanted
to
raise.
M
Boulder
is
one
of
five
cities
and
15
states
as
part
of
a
coalition
still
fighting
the
repeal
of
the
clean
power
plan.
In
fact,
we
actually
just
sent
letters
today
to
Senators
Bennett
and
Gardner
and
Congressman
to
Goose
requesting
their
opposition
to
the
ACE
rule,
which
is
the
administration's
proposed
replacement.
So
we
continue
to
be
engaged
and
involved
at
the
federal
level.
Dropping
down,
of
course,
to
the
state.
M
Administrative
actions
are
a
relatively
new
area
for
us,
but
we
do
in
fact
try
to
work
very
closely
with
the
administration
and
just
recently
tried
to
work
with
poulos's
administration
on
the
road
map
to
100%
renewable
energy.
We're
gonna
continue
to
try
to
work,
to
have
a
seat
at
the
table
and
be
a
resource
for
the
governor's
office.
Moving
forward.
Moving
on
to
regulatory
actions,
this
has
really
been
our
sweet
spot
for
many
years.
M
We've
spent
quite
a
bit
of
time
at
regulatory
agencies
like
the
Air,
Quality,
Control
Commission
and,
of
course,
the
Public
Utilities
Commission
and
I
won't
go
into
detail
about
the
proceedings
that
we've
been
involved
in
that
we're
currently
involved
in
what
I
would
ask
you
to
do
is
look
to
attachment
B
in
your
packet
and
I'm
gonna
reference
that
attachment
a
number
of
times,
because
we
packed
a
lot
into
that.
It
lists
the
legislative
bills.
M
It
lists
some
of
the
regulatory
actions
that
were
currently
involved
in
so
I'll
come
back
and
reference
that
a
number
of
times.
So.
Finally,
the
legislative
actions,
which
I
think
is
really
what
a
lot
of
people
have
been
interested
in
in
terms
of
what's
happened,
the
city
and
our
coalition's,
particularly
the
Colorado
coalition.
M
Excuse
me:
Colorado
communities
for
climate
action
should
be
able
to
say
that
CC
for
CA
we've
been
working
hard
to
identify
specific
local
and
statewide
policies
that
do
two
things.
First,
they
create
that
necessary
state
backdrop,
but
also
those
policies
that
allow
our
local
jurisdictions
to
go
further
faster.
So
there
was
a
lot
of
attention,
of
course,
on
the
General
Assembly.
M
This
year,
at
the
conclusion
of
this
last
session,
more
than
a
dozen
new
climate
and
energy
bills
were
signed
into
law
and
I
would
not
expect
you
to
read
this
long
list
again
looking
to
attachment
B.
What
we
tried
to
do
is
list
the
various
climate
and
energy
bills
and
their
implications,
so
you
can
get
a
snapshot
of
what
they
did
and
what
it
means
to
our
local
efforts
here.
So
that
arguably
makes
this
most
recent
session,
the
most
impactful.
M
Yet
in
Colorado's
efforts
to
address
the
climate
crisis,
the
bills,
of
course,
cover
array
of
issues
from
energy
issues,
building
codes,
efficiency
standards,
electric
vehicle
infrastructure.
So
there
is
a
lot
there,
one
a
particular
that
I
really
wanted
to
call
attention
to
is
House
bill.
1212
61
and
this
bill
again
got
a
lot
of
attention
during
the
session
and
continues
to
be
I
think
an
important
one
going
forward.
M
1261
puts
into
statute
strong
short
and
long
term
goals
for
cutting
climate
pollution
and
requires
the
state
to
develop
and
implement
regulations
to
achieve
those
mandates
in
a
timely
matter.
Under
the
law,
Colorado
will
reduce
greenhouse
gas
emissions
from
all
sectors,
not
just
electricity,
at
least
26%,
and
it's
up
on
the
screen
by
2025
50
percent
by
2030
and
90
percent
by
2050.
But
those
are
the
goals.
The
law
directs.
The
air
quality
control
commission
to
develop
the
rules
that
ensure
those
targets
are
met.
It
does
leave
retail
electricity
rulemaking
to
the
Public
Utilities
Commission.
M
Also
I
would
just
want
to
point
out
that
the
legislation
doesn't
include
penalties
or
rigorous
timelines
and
really
no
recourse
if
the
state
fails
to
meet
those
targets.
So
the
next
big
challenge
for
us,
as
this
and
other
important
bills,
make
their
way
through
the
rulemaking
process.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
the
intent
behind
the
legislation
is
retained.
M
Another
just
quick
snapshot
of
another
important
bill
is
Senate
bill
236.
This
was
the
Public
Utilities
Commission
reauthorization
or
sunset
bill.
Among
other
things,
it
requires
investor-owned
utilities
like
Xcel,
Energy,
Black,
Hills
and
now
tri-state
to
reduce
their
carbon
by
80
percent
by
2030
and
100
percent
by
2050,
and
it
puts
a
cap
on
the
expense
that
they
can
essentially
charge
back
to
ratepayers
at
1.5
percent.
The
third
bullet
point
is
important
for
the
work
that
we're
doing
here
around
kind
of
localization.
M
The
rules
also
include
distribution
system
planning,
so
our
hope
is
is
we
can
influence
that
rulemaking
to
ensure
that
it
really
creates
opportunities
for
more
local
generation,
new
technologies,
things
like
micro,
gritting,
on-site
generation
and
storage,
etc.
It
also
does
an
important
thing,
but
it
adds
the
cost
of
carbon
social
cost
of
carbon
for
few
evaluating
future
energy
projects.
So
this
will
be
a
really
important
bill
to
keep
an
eye
on
as
it
works
its
way
through
the
Public
Utilities
Commission.
M
So
many
highlights
to
that.
We
that
we
could
go
through
I'm,
not
going
to
read
through
these
I
would
just
say
that
I
think
there
are
a
number
of
things
that
really
align
with
our
local
goals
and
targets,
and
we
really
want
to
make
sure
that
we
harmonize
what's
happening
to
the
state
and
it
provides
that
backdrop
to
the
work
that
we
do
here
locally.
M
I
do
want
to
pause,
though,
and
emphasize
the
point
that
in
terms
of
what
these
various
bills
mean
to
our
local
Levitz
decarbonizing,
our
electricity
supply
is
still
our
number
one
priority.
Not
only
is
it
currently
Arnim
our
highest
or
biggest
sector
of
emissions,
a
decarbonized
electricity
supply,
we
know
sets
that
stage
for
our
ability
to
really
think
about
decarbonizing
other
sectors.
M
We're
going
to
talk
about
this
transformational
change
in
sectors
like
like
mobility
and
transportation
and
in
heating,
so
we
know
that
we
needed
to
decarbonize
our
electricity
supply
and
we're
not
shying
away
from
now
that
is
going
to
be
our
number
one
priority.
I
would
also
stress
that
we
know
that
climate
and
energy
policies
are
really
a
mixture
of
numerous
interdependent
and
involving
any
ball
building
parts.
So
from
our
experience,
we
know
it's
easy
to
commit
to
these
targets.
M
The
key
now
in
this
next
frontier
of
climate
change
in
climate
action
is
really
turning
those
pledges
into
reality
with
really
laser
focused
and
well-designed
requirements.
So
that
means
there's
gonna,
be
a
lot
more
work
to
do,
and
our
staff
and
our
coalition's
are
going
to
be
very
active
in
terms
of
next
steps,
we're
preparing
for
the
various
rulemaking
efforts
and
making
sure
that
we're
ready
to
fully
participate.
M
Of
course,
we'll
keep
council
involved
and
up
to
date
on
the
schedule
of
those
rulemaking
proceedings,
so
you
know
what's
coming
and
how
you
might
get
involved
in
those
as
well,
we're
also
already
mobilizing
to
prepare
for
the
next
legislative
session.
Thankfully,
we
have
a
new
political,
social
and
economic
environment
that
allows
the
General
Assembly
and
our
regulatory
agencies
to
really
keep
pushing
for
new
energy
and
climate
policy,
and
that
creates
the
necessary
foundation
for
long-term
systemic
changes
and
really
helps
to
find
the
emerging
role
of
cities
that
bread
is
gonna
explore
with
you.
Next.
L
So
that's
a
part
of
this
context,
change
both
in
terms
of
climate
change
and
in
terms
of
our
very
significant
steps
in
state
policy.
What
does
this
mean
about
what
the
role
of
Boulder
and
other
cities
is
in
the
context
of
climate
action
now
and
we've
been
starting
to
talk
about
this
notion
of
systems
change,
we
would
suggest
that
there
are
really
essentially
two
questions.
We
have
to
start
asking
of
any
action
that
we're
committing
to
as
a
city
that's
intended
to
to
contribute
to
stabilizing
climate
first.
L
How
does
that
action
lead
to
some
kind
of
systemic
change,
not
just
for
us,
but
for
others,
and
then
what
system
level
actions
actually
scale
and
replicate?
It
doesn't
do
a
lot
of
good
if
we
put
a
lot
of
effort
into
something
that
only
works
for
Boulder
but
won't
scale
or
replicate
anywhere
else
if
our
objective
is
ultimately
to
help
stabilize
climate.
L
So
what
do
we
mean
when
we
talk
about
systems
change?
One
of
the
simple
ways
we
thought
of
to
describe
this
is
that
essentially
it's
the
context
in
which
the
right
choice
or
the
that
need
that
we
need
to
make
to
stabilize
climate
is
either
the
easiest
choice
or
the
only
choice,
because
right
now
think
about
the
context
and
we'll
talk
about
this
more
in
a
moment
around
what
a
homeowner
faces
to
do
all
the
things
that
are
necessary
to
improve
their
homes.
It's
very
often
more
complicated,
it's
more
difficult
and
it's
more
expensive.
L
So
in
that
kind
of
a
context,
if
we
keep
expecting
others
to
take
those
actions
and
they
don't,
is
it
right
to
condemn
them
for
not
doing
that
or
should
we
be
saying?
Instead,
how
do
we
change
the
system
so
that
we
can
all
make
that
change
together?
And
then,
therefore,
how
do
we
make
changes
that
apply
to
everyone
that
work
for
everyone?
And,
finally,
how
do
we
make
sure
that
the
costs
of
those
steps
that
we
need
to
take,
because
we
face
the
need
to
change
a
huge
amount
of
infrastructure?
L
How
do
we
make
sure
that
those
costs
are
equitably
shared
not
only
right
now,
but
even
into
the
future,
for
those
who
are
going
to
benefit
from
the
investments
that
we're
making?
So
what
we
know
now
is
that
the
actions
that
we
need
to
take
need
to
be
bigger
than
our
organization
bigger
than
our
boundaries
replicable
and
actionable
soon.
L
So
we
could
think
about
the
role
of
cities
as
essentially
two
domains
and
we've
been
an
absolute
leader
in
really
both
of
them,
but
especially
in
this
notion
of
how
do
we
innovate?
How
do
we
find
those
new
things
that
we
can
do
and
I
think
we've
been
tremendous
in
whether
it's
developing
community,
solar
gardens
or
electrification,
or
all
these
different
things
that
we've
done?
But
now
we
need
to
think
about
how
those
apply,
not
just
within
our
boundary
and
meeting
an
emissions
target
with
for
Boulder,
but
how
do
they
actually
spread
elsewhere?
L
And
that's
where
this
notion
of
we
need
to
enter
into
partnerships
and
collaborations
that
are
pointed
towards
changing
the
rules,
not
changing
people
changing
the
rules
so
that
it
applies
to
everyone.
It
makes
it
possible
for
everyone,
and
that
also
change
the
markets,
because
of
course,
as
we
know,
money
drives
so
much
of
what
weather
this
transformation
happens
or
not
so
Jonathan
and
I
are
going
to
give
you
now
tangible
examples.
We've
been
talking
kind
of
in
an
abstract
sense.
L
Let's,
let's
talk
about
it
in
a
very
concrete
sense,
I'm
going
to
talk
about
it
in
the
context
of
a
particular
program
and
Jonathan's
going
to
talk
about
this
systemic
approach
in
the
context
of
policy.
So
in
the
context
of
a
programmatic
effort,
as
Jonathan
mentioned,
not
only
do
we
have
to
clean
up
our
electricity
source,
it
has
to
come
from
renewable
sources.
We
then
need
to
move
almost
everything
we
can
into
using
electricity
right
that
clean
electricity.
This
is
what
we
call
electrification.
L
Boulder
isn't
is.
It
has
been
an
early
leader
in
this,
in
fact
you've.
Some
of
you
have
seen
this
slide.
It
was
from
three
years
two
years
ago,
when
we
were
talking
about
this
effort,
that
Boulder
launched
in
2016
is
one
of
the
first
cities
in
the
West
to
do
this,
to
figure
out
how
we
could
support
our
our
residents
in
switching
out
their
natural
gas
appliances
to
high-efficiency
electric
heat
pumps,
and
we
did
we
initially
did
that
analysis.
L
We
started
to
demonstrate
that
it
could
be
economically
viable,
and
then
we
did
that
thing
that
we
just
talked
about.
We
reached
out
to
others.
We've
talked
to
New
York
City,
who
got
very
interested
Washington
DC,
Burlington,
Vermont,
Boston,
San
Francisco,
and
by
developing
that
sort
of
critical
mass
of
cities.
Because
you
know
Boulder
doesn't
carry
a
lot
of
weight
out
in
the
marketplace.
L
We
were
able
to
go
to
Mitsubishi
and
Dyken
in
LG
and
Panasonic
and
bring
them
together,
as
an
industry
collaborative
to
say
how
do
we
work
together
as
cities
and
as
industry
to
create
a
market
transformation
here,
and
so
we
worked
over
two
years
to
develop
a
strategy
to
implement
residential
electrification
and
Boulder.
Once
again
was
one
of
the
first
out
with
this
effort.
It
wasn't
in
any
way
perfect
because,
of
course,
that's
what
boulders
good
at
we
helped
innovate
early
so
that
others
can
follow,
but
we
launched
the
compass
365
program.
L
L
We
were
very
successful,
except
we
weren't
it's
accessible
at
the
scales
necessary
to
actually
achieve
the
kind
of
change
we
need
to
make.
So,
let's
think
about
what
it
takes
to
do
that
kind
of
a
scale
of
change.
Well,
let's
actually
think
about
this
from
the
homeowners
perspective.
To
really
do
a
lek,
trophic
ation,
you
should
first,
of
course,
as
we
always
say,
start
with
efficiency.
That's
not
cheap,
but
it's
it's
relatively
modest
in
cost,
but
they
don't
have
to
replace
all
my
appliances.
L
That
starts
to
get
quite
expensive
and
if
we
then
actually
want
to
make
the
source
of
our
energy
locally
clean
and
we
put
solar
on
top
of
that,
we
would
be
looking
at
each
household
in
the
community
needing
to
spend
somewhere
in
the
neighborhood
of
thirty
to
fifty
thousand
dollars.
That's
what
we
literally
need
for
people
to
do
to
be
able
to
achieve
this
objective
now.
There
are
many
benefits
to
this.
L
We
shouldn't
say
this:
this
is
just
an
upfront
cost
I
put
in
a
heat
pump
in
my
own
house,
I'm
part
of
that
sort
of
guinea
pig
cohort
and
it's
fantastic
I.
Don't
have
the
air
quality
issues
that
I
had
with
my
gas
furnace.
There
are
many
ways
that
have
more
control
over
the
system,
but
it
was
more
expensive.
L
It
was
more
complicated
and
so
we're
facing
this
situation
for
each
household
and
then,
if
you
think
about
okay,
now,
let's
think
about
this
in
the
context
of
our
climate
strategy,
we
need
every
household
to
do
this
in
Boulder,
there's
18,000
households.
What
does
that
literally
mean
in
terms
of
the
cost
18,000
households
times?
L
L
We've
been
here
before
we
faced
similar,
very
expensive
infrastructure
change
situations
before,
in
fact,
it
was
about
a
hundred
years
ago
that
we
created
regulated
monopoly
utilities
to
do
exactly
this,
to
aggregate
lots
of
money
and
deploy
a
lot
of
infrastructure
to
make
it
available
to
a
lot
of
people
and
then
spread
that
cost
out
over
society
and
over
time
we
know
how
to
do
this.
In
fact,
my
colleague
Jonathan
has
been
working
on
the
vehicle
to
do
it.
L
M
Was
so
intrigued,
I,
don't
even
wasn't
even
ready,
so
I
wanted
to
talk
just
just
very
quickly.
Brett
talks
about
Boulder
as
this
ignition
system
and
I
just
want
to
give
you
a
different
example
and
a
little
bit
different
flavor
as
we
swing
back
to
the
policy
realm
a
couple
of
years
ago,
we
were
really
facing
this
issue
of,
as
we
really
really
started
to
dig
into
this
idea
of
how
do
we
influence
policy
at
the
state
level?
M
We
recognized
that
a
we
were
just
one
voice,
be
we
really
needed
to
create
some
solidarity
with
other
players
in
this
space,
whether
it
be
local
jurisdictions
or
other
partners,
and
so
I'm
really
proud
of
the
fact
that
we
really
started
to
pull
together
a
number
of
communities
to
build
this
coalition.
Something
Brett
said
earlier
too
I
just
want
to
emphasize.
We
know
that
major
climate
drivers
are
controlled
or
managed
at
scales
larger
than
cities,
so
that
underscores
that
importance
of
influencing
or
engaging
with
other
cities
and
entities.
M
So
a
big
part
of
our
reality
is
that
we
have
to
balance
that
work
inside
and
outside
of
our
boundaries.
Thankfully,
the
work
that
we're
doing
locally
is
really
part
of
a
much
bigger
effort
to
fight
climate
change,
and
much
of
it
is
done
through
these
regional
collaboratives.
So
one
in
particular
that
I
was
just
relating
to
Colorado
communities
for
climate
action
or
CC
for
SCA.
M
Just
as
a
reminder
to
council
is
a
coalition
of
28,
now
counties
and
municipalities
across
the
state
advocating
for
effective
state
climate
policy
and,
as
you
might
imagine,
the
membership
spans
western
slope
and
Front
Range
small
in
rural
towns,
major
suburbs
and
much
of
our
regional
work.
Looking
forward
is
going
to
be
done
through
this
coalition.
You
know
it
just
as
a
personal
note.
It
really
is
gratifying.
M
We
just
had
our
annual
retreat
in
Vail
and
the
excitement
and
the
interest
in
the
coalition
and
recognizing
the
importance
and
the
work
that
we've
done
and
how
we've
really
been
able
to
get
a
seat
at
the
table
with
policy
makers
has
really
been
extraordinary.
This
kind
of
regional
kind
of
collaborative
or
climate
collaborative
is
really
getting
a
lot
of
tension
outside
of
Boulder
as
well.
M
Currently
we're
working
with
the
Institute
for
sustainable
communities
who
was
funded
by
the
Kresge
Foundation
to
research,
this
concept
as
governance
paradigm
or
a
regionalism
as
a
governor's
paradigm
when
it
comes
to
climate.
So
that's
something
that's
quite
unique,
we're
looking
at
ways
to
both
scale.
So
how
do
we
think
about
this
organization
and
the
way
we
uses
coalition
to
scale
up?
How
do
we
look
to
ways
to
replicate
whether
it
be
in
other
states
or
another
and
other
ways
to
kind
of
use?
This
model
moving
forward?
M
Also,
just
as
a
note
council
will
be
getting
an
invitation
relatively
soon
from
Park
City
Utah
they're
actually
convening
a
group
later
on
this
year
of
20
or
30
cities.
We're
moving
in
a
really
big
way
on
this
regional
climate
collaborative
concept-
and
they
see
Boulder
is
a
leader
in
this,
so
really
using
this
vehicle
of
collaborative
and
coalition's
to
really
drive
home
our
message
and
amplify.
M
Our
message
has
really
really
been
extraordinary
just
in
two
years,
so
I
would
expect
to
see
this
organization
grow
and
some
of
the
model
that
we
use
to
develop
our
policy
agenda
and
really
influence
policy.
At
the
state
level
to
really
take
off
so
I
would
say
Bret.
Would
you
want
to
talk
about
the
next
steps
and
developing
the
2030
plan?
Yes,
okay,.
L
So
we
have
a
sense
that
we've
learned
some
lessons.
We
have
a
pretty
good
picture
of
the
core
areas
of
action
that
we
need
to
take.
There
are
still
some
innovations
that
need
to
be
developed.
There
are,
there
are
a
lot
of
innovations
we
have
developed.
We
need
to
figure
out
how
to
take
to
scale.
So
this
is
the
framework
that
we
will
talk
about
in
a
few
minutes
just
that
we
want
to
get
feedback.
L
Do
you
think
this
is
the
right
framework
if
we
got
it
organized
correctly,
but
the
next
step
is:
how
do
we
bring
the
best
and
brightest,
as
we
always
do
in
Boulder,
together
both
our
community
and
organizations
and
other
stakeholders
who
have
been
working
on
this
and
look
for
what
those
innovations
are
in
each
of
these
areas
and
how
we
take
them
to
scale
and
I?
Think
one
of
the
things
that's
really
critical
to
understand
about
our
suggestion
here
is
that
we
need
to.
L
You
know
way
recognize
that
we
are
at
the
center
of
this
we're
a
very
significant
and
important
part
of
it.
But
for
this
to
be
successful,
we
need
to
actually
mobilize
and
catalyze
action
at
all
levels
and
in
all
sectors,
some
of
it,
which
we
will
never
touch
or
even
maybe
even
ever
know
about,
and
that
our
role
is
to
help
inspire
and
coordinate
and
facilitate
and
get
some
of
this
stuff
moving
out,
and
so
we've
to
reach
out
already
to
a
variety
of
organizations
and
say:
are
you
in?
Can
you
help
us?
L
Do
you
want
to
be
a
part
of
this
and
actually
ask
them
to
somewhat
formally
commit
to
this?
So
we've
drafted
a
letter
of
intent.
We
haven't
signed
any
of
these,
but
all
of
these
partners
have
actually
signed
already
their
signature
lines
on
these
letter
of
intent,
saying
we're
in
we
want
to
help
in
various
ways
in
various
of
these
areas
to
start
moving
this
agenda
forward.
N
N
Think
that
on
the
ground
block
to
block
communication
amongst
neighbors
really
does
make
people
change
in
their
ways
and
I
know
you're
saying
we
can't
change
people,
but
I
think
we
do
need
to
still
change
people
systems
can't
be
the
only
thing
and
so
I
think
there.
This
is
just
a
couple,
but
I
think
you
could
add
a
whole
lot
more
and
get
an
army
on
the
ground
of
people
who
want
to
do
this,
not
only
in
Boulder
the
beyond
Boulder.
Thank.
L
And
so
let
me
just
a
couple
of
things
and
I
also
want
to
show
you
how
we're
thinking
about
the
places
that
we
engage
more
of
the
community
so
but
I
do
want
to
point
out
something
because
it
has
come
up
in
conversations
that
I
know
folks
have
been
having.
Who
are
we
inviting
in
terms
of
some
of
these
institutional
partners
and
in
particular,
has
come
out
and
I've
just
circled
it
in
red?
Here
as
why
are
you
talking
to
shell?
L
Why
would
you
consider
an
organization
like
shell
like
aren't
they
the
enemy,
and
why
is
business?
Even
perhaps
a
part
of
this
process
and
I?
Think
most
of
us
are
many
of
us
at
least
believe
we
have
to
have
all
parties
in
this
game.
All
resources
in
this
game
and
I
think
we've
barely
clearly
demonstrated
to
the,
in
fact,
oil
and
gas
industry
that
if
you
are
going
to
take
a
proactive
step,
we'll
take
you
on
in
another
way,
because
we
are
in
fact
suing
some
of
them
too.
L
What
are
we
proposing
in
terms
of
a
process,
at
least
in
terms
of
a
time
frame?
It's
essentially
four
phases,
we're
closing
the
first
phase.
Now
that's
tonight
we're
asking
you
to
endorse
going
forward
in
this
effort.
Then
we
want
to
start
bringing
these
different
parties
together
and
creating
a
process
and
plan.
What
that
engagement
effort
looks
like
we
would
be
developing
a
information
packet
for
you
somewhere
towards
early
fall.
That
would
outline
what
that
process
will
look
like
and
then
launch
it
in
earnest.
L
So
just
about
finished
here,
I
just
want
to
note
that,
in
terms
of
that
letter
of
intent
that
we're
asking
our
partners
to
sign
this
is
one
of
the
core
aspects
of
what
we're
saying.
We
want
you
to
join
an
effort
whose
objectives
is
to
work
across
multiple
sectors
and
create
strategies
that
are
rapidly
replicated
across
the
world.
So
I'll
just
close
with
this,
that
is
Nathaniel.
L
It
feels
like
we're
standing
in
a
desert.
That's
my
son,
Nathaniel
standing
on
one
of
our
open
space
properties,
April
of
2018,
that
property
was
devastated
by
a
windstorm
in
2016.
It
lost
the
entire,
not
only
topsoil
level,
it
lost
the
a
horizon.
It
was
nothing
and
then,
through
the
remarkable
work
of
our
colleagues
in
open
space
and
mountain
parks
and
innovative
organizations
like
mad
agriculture
and
the
fine
work
of
the
folks
at
the
Natural,
Resource,
Conservation,
Service
and
others.
L
We
started
and
in
the
remarkable
persistence
and
courage
of
Marcus
McCauley
and
the
Macaulay
Farms
who's.
A
property
adjacent
to
ours
was
being
impacted
by
that
we
started
to
use
some
of
the
techniques
that
he'd
developed
and
others
that
we've
been
experimenting
with
to
start
working
on
solar
generation
and
carbon
sequestration,
and
that
was
just
eight
months
later.
L
And
what
I'm
trying
to
illustrate
is
that
there
is
a
remarkable
capacity
of
resilience
that
is
built
into
the
land
and
it's
built
into
us
and
it's
built
into
our
communities,
and
we
have
to
find
a
way
to
mobilize
that
and
to
work
with
that
and
to
start
bringing
it
forward
so
that
we
can
address
this
challenge
that
we
have
so
with
that.
I'll.
Take
us
now
back
to
the
questions
that
we
brought
here
to
you
this
evening
and
we're
ready
to
have
a
conversation.
Thank
you.
N
So
you
have
under
your
your
I,
don't
know
page
26
of
your
side's
other
potential
partners
and
you
have
the
public.
The
private,
nonprofit
and
academic
I
would
just
put
it
out
there
in
neighborhoods,
sorry
or
HOAs,
or
something
people
make
it
its
own
heading.
Okay,.
B
O
Thank
you.
This
is
great,
really
well
set
up
memo
very
clear
and
comprehensive,
so
it
was
nice
work.
I
think.
The
first
question
that
I
have
is,
should
realign
our
goals
with
the
state
goals,
so
we
are
80
percent
reduction
by
2050.
This
state
is
ninety
percent
by
2050.
Do
I
have
that
correct?
Okay,
so
it
seems
to
me
like
one
of
the
very
first
things
would
be
to
line
ourselves
up
with
the
context
that
we're
working
in,
especially
because
that's
a
more
ambitious
goal
than
we
have
now
as
staff
thought
of
this.
M
P
O
N
O
O
So
there's
a
whole
financial
systems
piece
to
this
right.
There's
who
we
bank
with
there's
who
our
insurance
company
is,
there's
the
entire
kind
of
spectrum
of
the
financial
system
that
we
interact
with,
and
you
that's
a
leverage
point
for
us
right
and
both
what
we
do
specifically
in
Boulder
and
then
how
we
advertise
what
it
is.
We
do
so
we've
tried
a
couple
times
to
talk
about.
Are
we
banking
with
the
right
people?
You
know
as
Morgan
Chase
the
right
bank
for
us?
Well,
they
have
all
the
services,
but
they
also
fund
pipelines.
O
So
I
would
suggest
as
an
idea
that
instead
of
circular
materials,
economy,
it'd
be
circular
systems
economy,
because
it's
broader
I
think
because
I
was
trying
to
figure
out
in
these
five
focus
areas.
Where
would
you
put
the
financial
and
there's
no
easy
place
to
fit?
It,
except
if
you
make
it
circular
systems
economy,
then
you're
thinking
about,
and
if
you
look
at
your
slide,
that
has
the
three
the
triangle,
the
other
two
have
the
word
systems
in
them,
and
so
it
seems
to
me
that
that
would
be
something
that
encompasses
like.
O
How
do
we
think
about
all
of
those
other
pieces
because
you're
talking
about
wanting
a
systemic
approach
right
and
so
from
a
big
picture,
standpoint
I
think
we
need
to
be
thinking
about
the
other
pieces
that
we
do
business
with
and
the
transactions
that
we
have
so
every
leverage
point
possible.
The
city
should
not
only
do
its
work,
but
talk
to
CC
for
CA
and
talk
to
our
legislators
and
I
know
it's
important
to
thank
people
here
at
the
high
level
staff.
O
Of
course,
you
guys
are
doing
great
the
community
for
all
the
support
and
the
attention.
The
suggestions
and
I
want
to
thank,
in
particular
our
state
legislators.
The
work
that
got
done
at
the
State
House
this
year
is
historic,
is
unbelievable
and
it
was
our
state
legislators
locally
and
our
governor
a
lot
of
that
water.
So
I'll
stop
there.
That's
my
big
picture
comments.
Q
Q
M
Thanks
very
so
when
I
talked
about
the
rulemaking,
maybe
just
unpack
that
a
little
bit.
It's
it's
really
a
question
of
volume.
There
were
so
many
bills
this
year.
That
then
have
to
go
through
a
rulemaking
process
and
each
goes
to
its
respective
regulatory
agency.
So
some
will
go
through
the
air
quality
control.
Commission
some
will
go
to
the
Public
Utilities
Commission.
So
it's
really
getting
those
things
scheduled.
M
I
think
the
really
important
thing
is
that
just
as
Sam
mentioned
I
think
our
legislators
had
the
foresight
to
really
acknowledge
that
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
the
urgency
related
to
these
bills
was
so
incredible
that
they
did
make
sure
that
there
was
a
fiscal
note
associated
with
the
bills.
So
there
is
staff
and
money
available
and
earmarked
to
get
to
get
it
done
essentially
and
a
process
in
a
timeline.
Some
of
the
bills
really
I
think
are
less
aggressive
in
terms
of
how
they
move
forward.
M
The
great
thing
is
is
that
we
have
great
leadership
at
those
regulatory
agencies
who
are
really
pushing
to
make
sure
that
it's
done
in
a
timely
manner.
Some
of
them
are
complex.
Some
of
the
bills
in
terms
of
the
rules
that
are
that
are
going
to
have
to
be
created
are
complicated,
though
what
we
know
from
meeting
with,
for
example,
John
Putnam,
and
will
tour,
and
some
of
these
agency
heads
they.
M
This
is
their
number
one
priority
to
make
sure
that
they
get
the
schedule
put
out
that
there
is
a
process
in
place
to
get
the
rules
enacted.
The
Public
Utilities
Commission
is
a
little
bit
different
because
essentially,
that
bill,
the
the
PC
reauthorization
bill
kind
of
plants,
the
rules
within
their
ongoing
proceedings,
and
so
it's
how
they
are
going
to
do
their
work
moving
forward,
not
a
separate
set
of
rules,
necessarily
so
I'm
not
terribly
concerned
I.
Don't
think
that
there
is
a
general
feeling
that
there
is
going
to
be
a
big
delay.
N
So
I
read
that
memo
and
and
I
understand
where
you
want
to
go,
but
I
do
have
some
concerns
and
one
of
the
concerns
is
I
read
something
and
I
thought
we
actually
had
more
compliance,
but
of
the
20,000
rental
units
we
have
in
Boulder.
Only
7,000
are
compliant
with
our
green
regulations,
smart
rakes,
yeah
and
so
what's
happening
with
the
other
13,000
I.
R
B
R
A
large
percentage
of
the
rental
units
we're
compliant
at
the
baseline
inspection
and
then
those
7,000
were
the
ones
that
got
compliant
through
energy.
Smart,
many
of
the
other
rental
units
could
get
compliant
on
their
own.
They
didn't
have
to
go
through
energy
smart,
but
that
was
the
number
that
we
had
that
went
through
energy.
Smart,
okay,
didn't
come
off;
yeah!
Apologies
for
that!
So.
N
So
I'm
also
kind
of
interested
in,
as
you
guys
will
know,
I'll
say
the
word
demolitions
and
that
we
aren't
doing
anything
about
demolitions,
really
I
mean
we've
we're
tracking
them
a
little
bit.
But
at
this
point
in
time
you
can
demolish
your
house
if
it's
less
than
50
years
old
and
you
don't
need
a
review
and
there's
no
fee
incurred
for
demolishing
that
house
and
and
then
it's
the
same
thing.
So
somebody
scrapes
a
house
in
reasonable
construction,
and
so
there
should
be
a
sliding
scale.
I
recognize.
N
Not
all
houses
are
the
same,
but
when
you
scrape
a
house
there
should
be
a
fee
incurred
on
the,
especially
since
we
don't
have
a
landfill
one
of
our
biggest
methane
contributors
to
the
atmosphere,
and
we
don't
have.
We
have
net
zero
goals.
But
when
somebody
builds
a
new
big
house,
we
don't
have
any
fee
for
the
embodied
energy
used
in
building
that
new
big
house
and
all
those
materials.
So
we
should
be
talking
about.
N
I
mean
these
are
things
that
I
really
hope
we
aren't
trying
to
not
change
people's
behavior,
because
we
kind
of
have
to
change
people's
behavior
I.
Think,
and
so,
if
we
just
are
allowing
ourselves
to
demolish
either
hospitals
or
demolish
houses
or
demolish
buildings,
that
we
say,
aren't
significant
and
do
it
without
a
penalty.
We're
really
not
contributing
to
the
problem
at.
N
S
And
I
guess
I
was
just
going
to
clarify.
Also
sorry
Kara
Mertz
climate
initiatives
Department.
Those
issues
will
be
addressed
in
the
next
update
to
our
building
codes,
to
address
the
demolition
to
address
fees
for
scraping
and
while
I
think
council
got
an
update
about
a
month
ago
on
those
on
the
direction
we're
heading
with
the
new
building
codes.
We're
not
going
to
be
including
embodied
energy
in
that
just
yet,
because
we
are
keeping
that
on
the
horizon
just
to
see
what
the
best
practices
are
before
we
launch
into
that.
S
N
You
and
then
continuing
on
an
embodied
energy.
There
are
building
materials
that
are
appropriate
to
use
as
building
materials
that
are
not
so
trees,
which
are
probably
not
so
appropriate
to
use
versus
straw-bale
in
Adobe,
which
is
very
useful,
and
so
there
should
be
incentives
in
place
where
we
encourage
builders
to
use
straw,
bale
and
Adobe.
We
have
those
in
our
code,
we've
had
them
since
I
think
97
and
with
those
types
of
materials
your
heat
is
hardly
anything
and
your
air-conditioning
is
nothing.
N
Thank
you
guys
for
all
the
awesome
work
you
do,
but
my
only
concern
is
diverting
our
time
from
the
Muni,
which
is
where
we
get
the
biggest
bang
for
the
buck,
in
reducing
our
carbon
reductions
and
moving
forward
with
complete
intent
to
continue
on
our
municipal
ization
path
and
that
you
guys
don't
get
into
too
many
smaller
projects
that
that
diverts.
Your
focus.
C
And
just
to
speak
a
little
bit
to
the
muni,
the
fight
continues,
as
you
well
know,
we're
certainly
moving
forward
with
all
of
the
activities
associated
with
developing
those
costs
to
inform
a
vote,
be
it
2020,
2021
and
I.
Really
don't
see
this
as
detracting
I,
really
see
it
as
complementing.
How
do
we
go
about
really
leveraging
one
of
the
really
advantageous
things
we'll
be
doing
through
the
process
of
updating
our
strategy
has
to
do
with
that
community
engagement.
P
Thank
you
for
this,
so
that
you
know
the
initial
part
of
your
presentation
was
an
important
wake-up
call.
I
mean
it's
all
things
we
know
about
already,
but
I
appreciate
you
calling
it
forward
and,
of
course
we
can't
solve
this
in
our
city
alone.
So
I
really
appreciate
you
looking
at
the
system's
approach,
to
figure
out
how
we
can
come
up
with
solutions
that
are
exportable
and
replicable,
so
I
look
forward
to
seeing
what
you
come
up
with
I.
P
You
know
you
think
about
maybe
modules
like
if
we
develop
different
sets
of
strategies
that
one
community
might
be
better
suited
to
one
set.
Another
community
might
be
better
suited
another
one,
but
if
we
are
able
along
to
with
partners
to
say
hey,
we've
tried
this
here.
Other
cities
have
tried
it
as
well.
They
work
really
well,
and
you
could
take
this
piece,
but
hey
this
other
piece
may
may
not
be
the
best
one
for
you.
Don't
take
that
part
anyway.
P
B
Wanted
to
jump
in
with
a
few
thoughts
and
I'm
so
glad
we're
having
this
conversation
and
I
appreciate
that
both
city
staff
and
our
voters
and
a
lot
of
the
organizations
and
our
city
continue
to
make
this
a
priority,
because
I
do
think
it
is
in
number
one
a
priority
and
I.
What
I
see
us
doing
here
is
basically
adaptive
management
or
trying
stuff
we're
seeing
how
it
works.
B
We're
evaluating
it
we're
taking
a
look
at
how
the
context
is
changing,
how
we
are
actively
changing
the
context
and
then
reflecting
on
how
we
should
do
things
next
and
I.
Think
that's
a
very
important
conversation,
so
I'm
glad
we're
doing
it
and
I'm
I
think
in
general.
What
you've
laid
out
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
I
do
feel
like
we're
at
a
historic
moment
we're
at
the
state
legislature,
where
a
lot
of
frankly,
a
lot
of
Boulder
in
Boulder
County
legislators
are
playing
lead
roles.
We've
got
a
governor
from
Boulder.
B
We've
got
congressman
Nagi's
on
the
select
climate
committee
and
playing
a
leadership
role
to
really
leverage
all
the
great
thinking
and
the
big
brains
we
have
in
in
our
city
and
anyhow,
so
I
do
feel
like
that.
The
time
is
now
and
you
guys
are
obviously
reflecting
that
in
general,
the
three
the
triangle
with
equity
and
resilience
in
the
middle
I
think
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
I.
Think
you
raised
a
good
point
about
banking
and
other
ways.
We
have
leverage
that
we
should
also
be
taking
their
consideration.
B
I
do
appreciate
the
equity
piece
which
I
know
a
lot
of
people
were
part
of,
and
of
course,
resilience
is,
is
key
right.
We
already
know
it's
upon
us
all
the
impacts.
I
guess
I
will
say
that
the
carbon
sequestration
piece,
which
is
kind
of
the
hope
hopeful
piece
of
this,
is
how
do
we
use
natural
systems
to
really
draw
down
atmospheric
carbon
I
think
is
one
of
the
frontiers
and
I
feel
as.
T
B
Are
just
trying
to
figure
that
out
out
there
and
I'll,
just
I'll
mention
this
there's
a
several
interim
committees
that
are
preparing
for
the
next
legislative
session.
One
of
Amazon's
are
waste
and
I.
For
my
day,
job
I'm
gonna
go
testify
for
them
tomorrow,
but
one
of
the
issues
is:
how
do
we
help
address
organics
management
in
the
carbon
sequestration
piece
and
how
do
we
scale
it
rapidly
and
how
do
we
take
advantage
of
what's
in
the
existing
egg?
B
T
B
Do
I
says
the
fields
wide
open
to
help
you
get
that
figured
out
so
I
guess
I
would
underscore
that.
Our
hope
is
that
that
the
pilots,
the
studies,
the
beginnings
of
that
framework,
will
happen
next
legislative
session.
But
there's
a
lot
of
unknowns
to
figure
out
so
I
guess
I
just
want
to
highlight
that
I.
B
Don't
know
if
I'm
supposed
to
say
this,
but
I'm
gonna
say
it.
I
was
on
a
call
with
Congressman
yesterday
with
mayor's
from
the
twenty
as
a
second
CD,
and
he
did
announce
that
the
first
field
hearing
for
the
Select
climate
committee.
For
you
know
the
Congressional
selected
climate
committee
is
going
to
be
in
Boulder
and
so
yay
and
I
know
that
staff
has
been
talking
a
lot
to
them
about
that
and
the
dates
and
all
that
will
be
announced
soon.
B
B
I'll
tell
you
what
he
said
in
the
July
31st
August,
first
timerange
timeframe,
but
anyhow
I
guess
to
me
that
also
points
to
the
work
of
CC
for
CA,
because
it's
not
enough
and
yet
it's
a
beginning
and
it's
building
momentum
and
it's
a
real
opportunity
and
he
in
as
much
asked
know.
He
asked
all
the
folks
on
the
phone
from
across
the
second
CD
keeping
for
the
city
solutions
so
that
we
can
ripple
them
out
nationally.
B
O
A
quick,
Bob
and
I
were
in
Washington
for
the
National
League
of
Cities.
We
get
to
sit
with
congressman
and
the
goose
for
about
20
minutes
and
what
he
wanted
to
talk
about
was
his
environmental
action
policies
and
he
has
like
five
of
them
that
he's
looking
at
rolling
out
and
DC,
and
so
we're
very
lucky
to
have
him,
and
he
is
very
interested
in
working
with
the
cities
on
the
ground
about
solutions,
and
so
it's
great
who's.
B
U
I
agree
with
Lisa
about
keeping
our
focus
on
the
Muni,
since
that's
the
biggest
thing,
but
these
others
I
think
can
help
in
the
meantime
and
help
engage
people
as
Steve
did
say:
I
thought
about
the
banking.
This
is
something
we
talked
about
as
a
council
last
year
and
it
didn't
go
anywhere,
but
if
we
wanted
to
make
a
strong
statement,
this
is
something
that
we
could
take
up
and
actually
move
on.
N
U
U
I
don't
know
if
CC
4a
is
all
second
CD
or
not.
Are
there
all
of
those
communities
to
see
some
collaboration
with
Eastern
and
northeastern
Colorado
southeastern
Colorado,
where
they've
had
all
kinds
of
issues
throughout
the
years
the
century,
and
it
would
also
help
politically
I
think
to
move
out
of
this
Front
Range
sort
of
view
that
we've
had
and
we
seem
to
have
the
bubble,
and
so
those
are.
Those
are
basically
the
things
that
I
would
like
to
see.
Moving
forward
and
the
carbon
sequestration
I'm
very,
very
it's
it
is
encouraging.
U
I
talked
to
Brad
about,
and
some
people
have
seen
the
biggest
little
farm,
which
was
one
of
the
happy
notes
about
what
can
happen
to
ecosystems
when
there
is
some
effort
put
into
it
and
as
a
city,
I
would
like
to
see
us
really
move
forward
with
that
on
our
open
space
lands,
where
we
have
the
ability
to
do
that
on
the
irrigated
AG
lands
that
have
been
disturbed
and
that's
a
place
where
we
could
put
any
possible
new
monies
that
we
make
it.
So.
U
V
A
little
bit
of
what
I
was
hoping
to
say,
but
first
thank
you
to
staff
and
thank
you
to
the
community
thanks
to
the
young
women
that
was
fantastic
and
part
of
what
makes
this
job
really
fun.
So
I
think
the
biggest
thing
besides
I
mean
just
the
fantastic
job
and
I
mean
I,
absolutely
love.
This
idea,
I
think
it's
really
out-of-the-box
thinking,
that's
gonna.
V
W
You
know
leadership
is
fine,
but
if,
if
no
one
follows
you
you're,
not
a
leader
right
and
I,
think
your
your
broader
focus
on
systems
is
absolutely
right,
because
we
have
to
be
looking
at
systems,
not
individual
parts
of
this,
and
we
have
to
do
in
a
way
that,
as
aaron
indicated
other
cities
other
states,
other
countries
can
can
do
what
we're
doing
innovation
where
wealthy
community.
We
have
the
opportunity
to
be
innovative.
Q
A
couple
of
days
ago,
we
received
an
interesting
paper.
It
was
called
leverage
points
places
to
intervene
in
the
system,
and
I
was
fortunate
enough
to
be
in
one
of
those
places
where
it
seems
like.
We
really
live
in
a
bubble
in
El
Paso
Texas,
where
people
have
several
large
trucks
in
their
group
in
their
driveways
and
drive
everywhere,
and
it's
really
really
behind.
But
anyway,
I
had
the
opportunity,
because
it's
so
hot,
to
read
through
the
paper-
and
it
goes
through
all
of
the
places
to
intervene
in
a
system.
Q
And
what
we
talked
about
and
have
been
talking
about
are
some
of
those
things
that
are
lower
on
this
place
to
intervene
in
a
system
the
top
place
to
intervene
in
a
system.
The
number
one
place
is
transcending
paradigms,
and
so,
along
those
lines
we
have
page,
it's
slide
number
19,
where
it
talks
about
the
characteristics
of
systems,
change
and
in
terms
of
the
big
picture.
Getting
back
to
that.
M
Well
again,
it
depends
on
which
rule
and
which
bill
you're
talking
about,
but
some
are
already
underway.
Many
have
deadlines
the
middle
of
next
year
and
so
I
guess
I
would
just
revisit
my
response
and
to
say
that
I
think
we
feel
that
sense
of
urgency
also,
and
so,
while
I
mentioned,
that
there
are
a
number
of
organizations,
you're
really
gonna,
be
pushing
we're
gonna
be
right
there
pushing
as
well
to
ensure
that
the
timelines
are
our
ones
that
meet
the
urgency
of
the
situation.
M
So
right
now
we
are
trying
to
work
through
our
coalition's
to
ensure
that
we're
keeping
the
pressure
on
to
make
sure
that
those
schedules
get
released,
that
they
are
done
soon
and
that
we
understand
the
the
timelines
that
we
see
an
end
to
the
rulemaking
process
as
well.
So
we're
really
looking
at
another
year
for
the
entire
package
to
go
through
the
process
is.
Q
M
Again,
remember
that
the
one
you
just
reference
the
PC
reauthorization
bill,
so
that
really
looks
at
how
those
new
rules
are
applied
to
the
utilities
as
they
bring
their
their
resource
plans
to
the
Commission,
and
so
that's
where
those
will
be
applied,
and
that's
that's
where
that
lens
shows
up
the
others
in
terms
of
1261.
There
is
a
whole
new
rulemaking,
that's
going
to
take
place
at
the
air
quality
control
commission,
and
so
that's
what
we
are
eager
to
see.
We
want
to
see
that
timeline
and
that
process
laid
out
and
again.
Q
And
so
one
of
the
questions
I
would
have
is.
When
was
the
last
time
that
the
model
was
revised
and
does
it
make
sense
to
revise
it
with
what
we
know
now?
So
that's
that's
a
question
and
and
then
ask
ourselves
other
questions
so
that
we
have
the
latest
and
best
information
as
we
go
towards
the
vote.
The
public
vote
next
year
and
I
think
it's.
C
Q
Then
thank
you
for
that.
I
also
have
a
question
about
to
try
and
better
understand.
You
know
the
the
gap
between
our
100
percent
by
2030
for
electricity
and
the
80
percent.
So
I
would
like
to
understand
that
gap.
What
does
that
mean
in
terms
of
tons
of
carbon
and
and
how
does
that
compare
to
what
can
be
done
with
carbon
sequestration,
because
it's
really
that's
something
that
we
have
to
do?
We
have
to
do
the
carbon
sequestration
now,
that's
we
have
no
choice.
Q
C
Certainly,
what
the
state
has
done
and
where
we
presume
Xcel
Energy
and
the
other
large
investor
owned
utilities
will
be
moving
to
achieve
these
new
goals
is
really
laudable.
It's
really
fantastic.
What
is
going
to
happen,
and
it
does
take
us
significantly
forward
on
the
single
one
of
the
components
of
why
we're
moving
forward
with
Mena
civilization
and
that's
a
decarbonisation
path
contributes
or
what
the
state
has
done
will
take
us
part
of
most
of
the
way
there.
What
it
doesn't
do
is
add
local
control
and
that
ability
to
really
decentralized
our
system.
C
As
jonathan
noted,
the
Public
Utilities
Commission
will
be
going
through
some
rulemaking
having
to
do
with
distribution
systems
and
distribution
modeling,
which
is
basically
what
the
municipal
utility
is,
is
a
distribution
system
and
will
participate
in
that
rulemaking,
with
the
intent
of
trying
to
provide
the
level
of
freedom
that
the
community
wants
in
its
ability
to
participate
in
the
electric
system
and
to
move
forward
with
things
like
micro
grids
and
to
really
contribute
to
things
like
resiliency.
We
don't
know
what
the
end
result
of
that
rulemaking
will
be.
C
Of
course,
the
other
is
that
local
control,
which
there's
that
component
of
what
we
do
on
the
system,
but
a
part
of
that
is
also
the
revenues
and
our
ability
to
reinvest
the
revenues
from
a
municipal
utility
back
into
the
system.
If
the
community
decides
undergrounding
of
the
distribution
system
is
their
highest
priority,
the
city
has
the
freedom
to
make
those
choices.
All
of
that
won't
go
away
or
won't
change
as
we
move
forward
and
as
the
state
moves
forward
on
this
new
legislation,
but
ultimately
it
really
comes
down
to
a
community
conversation.
C
Q
C
Yeah,
we
will
continue
to
update
those
as
things
change.
Everything
from
you
know,
interest
rates
can
certainly
affect
what
we
project
as
revenues.
To
we've
done
initial
request
for
pricing
on
power
supply.
We
will
be
doing
another
request,
more
formal
request
from
power
supply
all
of
those
effect
of
cost
and
the
revenues
and
how
utility
will
operate.
Q
And
then
I
had
sorry
Suzanne,
but
this
is
a
comment,
and
this
is
something
I
noticed
in
in
the
memo
where
you
have
just
transition
or
equity
and
resilience
in
the
middle
of
the
diagram.
I
think
I
thought
that
was
a
great
way
to
look
at
it
and
then
the
other
three
items
around
the
perimeter.
But
in
the
slide
on
the
timeline,
it's
shown
as
a
separate
line
item
and
not
an
overarching.
Q
Item
that
you
pay
attention
to
and
I
think
I
think,
instead
of
being
its
own
line
item,
it
actually
needs
to
be
in
everything
else
and
not
something
that
is
thought
about.
Secondarily,
it
needs
to
be
the
driving
thing
as
its
shown
in
the
diagram,
so
that
was
just
something
I
noticed
in
the
way
that
the
schedule
was
placed
and.
C
Q
Good
to
know
and
I
think
that's
all
I
have,
and
you
know
just
to
I,
do
want
to
understand
the
the
carbon
sequestration
numbers
and
how
that
compares
to
well,
you
know
what
can
we
do
and
how
that
scalability
of
that
particular
action
can
benefit,
and
I
was
intrigued
by
the
fact
that
Jonathan
said
that
that's
our
opportunity
to
work
with
coalition's
across
party
coalition's
and
I
think
that
that's.
That
would
be
great
to
understand
just
how
much
can
be
accomplished
with
with
that
working
in
those
cross-party
coalition's.
O
Just
on
the
mini
issue
in
particular:
there's
the
just
transition
piece
that
runs
through
everything
and
there's
a
resilience
piece
that
runs
through
everything
and
one
of
the
key
things
about
having
local
controlled
electric
utility
would
be.
The
community
can
tell
us
how
much
resilience
they
want
in
their
electric
system,
because
there
won't
be
a
profit
margin
in
any
cash
flows,
so
anything
that
we
have
that
we
want
to
put
in
reserve
for
resilience
will
be
able
to
put
into
undergrounding
another
more
complicated
one.
O
Is
it's
not
in
a
private
utilities,
best
interest
to
enable
Mike,
microgrids
or
self
generation
which
can,
on
the
day-to-day
basis,
cut
into
the
revenue
stream
when
an
emergency
comes?
Becomes
the
backup
power
system
for
a
neighborhood
or
for
a
building?
That's
a
credit
critical
system,
so
I
think
that
resilience
piece
is
a
lens
that
we
need
to
look
at
the
Muni
through,
particularly
in
light
that
the
memo
calls
out
that
resilience
is
going
to
be
a
requirement.
O
O
Think
the
ability
not
only
to
underground
and
have
the
general
distribution
system
be
more
robust,
is
important,
but
also
enabling
end-users
and
nodes
to
be
more
robust,
because
we
don't
care
if
a
profit
gets
cut
in
two,
because
really
all
we
need
is
to
make
sure
that
we
can
maintain
the
distribution
system
as
the
community
wants.
It
so
I
think
that
resilience
running
through
everything
is
something
that
we're
going
to
need
to
use
to
analyze
the
the
Muni.
As
we
learn
more
about
the
costs.
B
Okay:
let's
come
back
to
the
climate
emergency
resolution.
At
the
end,
can
you
put
up
the
four
or
five
and
six
four
and
five
Lisa
mentioned
some
other
organizations
and
stakeholders,
namely
the
public
and
neighborhoods?
Were
there
others,
and
also
the
folks,
have
issues
or
thoughts
on
the
letters
of
intent
and
participation
agreements.
Q
Q
There
were
like
14
suggestions
that
if
we
can
go
back
and
look
at
that
email
were
he
listed
things
like
understand
each
other's
goals
and
priorities
and
each
other's
core
processes
and
on
and
on
with
the
final
one,
be
mutual
trust.
So
I
think
those
were
really
excellent
points
to
include
in
some
sort
of
a
letter
of
intent.
T
T
P
Just
have
to
give
a
shadow,
we
have
such
amazingly
talented
and
smart
people
in
this
town,
many
of
whom
are
in
the
room
and
passionate.
So
in
addition
to
the
organizations
that
you're
working
with
just
one
to
the
shadow,
to
lisas
idea
as
well
as
to
make
sure
that
we
are
engaging
those
individuals
in
our
community.
That
may
not
be
part
of
a
different
organization,
but
still
have
a
lot
of
great
ideas
and
energy
to
bring
to
the
effort.
She.
B
L
B
O
O
I
think
you
want
to
talk
to
the
local
entrepreneurial
community
and
broader,
not
just
local
experts
who
know
what's
going
on
broadly
I
would
use
carbon
sequestration
as
an
example
I'm,
not
quite
sure
what
bucket
it
fits
in,
because
if
it's
carbon
farming
it
fits
in
the
ecosystems
focus
area.
But
what?
If
it's
air
capture
right?
So
there's
various
air
capture,
technologies
and
development
all
over
the
world
right
now
and
those
are
approaches
which
could
be
quite
interesting.
O
There's
the
biofuels
biochar
that
whole
bucket
and
that
fits
in
I'm,
not
sure
we're
in
here
and
so
I
think
there
are
whole
bunch
of
technologies
that
are
going
to
be
potentially
applicable
to
the
carbon
sequestration,
for
example,
because
that's
probably
the
most
important
one
and
least
defined
one
that
you
need
to
think
about
what
buckets
those
fit
in
and
if
they
don't
fit
in
a
bucket.
You
need
to
define
a
bucket
and
so
that
the
technology
component
of
this
and
understanding
it
and
being
part
of
early
adopters
and
Taking
Chances.
O
We
need
to
figure
out,
and
so
that
partnership
has
to
be
with
both
the
entrepreneurial
community,
but
also
those
organizations
that
index
exists
that
universities,
who
track
that
stuff
who
understand
you,
know
kind
of
what's
emerging
and
what's
being
viable
and
what's
not
being
viable,
and
so
we're
talking
about
partnerships
I
think
we
need
to
think
about
those
kinds
of
partnerships
and
that's
not
a
specific
organization.
It's
just
classes
of
folks,
one.
L
L
That's
going
to
manage
this
whole
process,
that's
going
to
be
impossible,
and
so
what
we
want
to
do
is
try
to
figure
out
where
we
can
best
fit
where
we
have
the
most
leverage
and
we
can
offer
the
most
and
where
we
need
to
get
out
of
the
way
and
what
we
need
to
call
attention
to
other
people
that
are
doing
things
so
I.
Don't
think
we're
gonna
try
to
create
the
perfect
constellation
of
a
balanced
representation
of
all
interest,
because
we're
not
going
to
be
at
the
center
of
everything.
C
N
So
I
mean
you
have
young
people
behind
you,
I
mean
they
seem
to
have
a
lot
of
energy
and
a
lot
of
desire
to
want
to
help
and
I
think
they
can
and
I
totally
believe
in
engaging
people
in
their
early
adolescence
to
make
them
want
to
change
the
world
and
we
get
them
too
late.
It's
too
late.
So
I
can't
say
enough.
Thank
you
to
this
young
group
and
you
may
be
young,
but
you're,
very
mature,
sure,
I.
L
Think
again,
I
really
appreciate
your
comments.
I
also
want
to
note
I
think
you
might
know
about
this,
but
we
actually
partnered
and
helped
eco
cycle
design,
the
backyard
Carbon
Farming
initiative
that
now
has
over
200
households
that
are
actually
engaging
in
real
science.
So
I
totally
agree
with
you
and
there
are
things
that
people
can
do,
and
it's
really
exciting
to
see.
L
People
move
out
around
that
at
this
moment
for
not
having
started
my
presentation
this
evening
by
thanking
those
young
people
as
well,
because
that's
a
part
of
the
context,
change
that
we
are
seeing
young
people
are
stepping
forward
is
one
of
the
most
important
climate
actors
in
this
cotton.
In
this
context
and
I
hope
we
can
also
engage
it's.
B
Changes
in
analysis,
I
guess
I
want
to
echo
what
Mary
said
about
keeping
you
all
ready
said:
you're
gonna,
keep
us
updated
on
the
rulemaking,
but
I
think
that's
key,
because
the
rule
makings
don't
go
well
or
if
they're
not
implemented,
we
fail
to
achieve
what
could
be
an
amazing
step
forward.
I
also
think.
B
Well,
it's
relevant
to
the
questions
Mary
asked
about
as
we
proceed
with
municipal
ization
and
what
is
the
gap
that
remains.
How
deal
is
that?
What
are
the
numbers
behind
it?
The
rule
makings
will
will
clarify
those
numbers
and
so
I
think
that's
key
fodder
key
thought.
Our
key
input
into
this
larger
community
conversation
that
we're
going
to
have
over
the
next
year
and
a
half
about
both
this
plan
and
also
municipal
ization.
So
that
will
just
be
really
important
to
monitor
anything
else.
On
six.
O
I
said
something
I'm
three,
but
they're
minor
things.
One
thing
I
want
to
say
kind
of
colloquy
to
Lisa.
Is
it's
not
just
the
residential?
It's
the
business
community.
The
business
community
is
responsible
for
and
I'm
part
of
that
community
70%
of
our
missions
in
the
city
that
are
based
on
electricity,
and
so
it's
something
that
we
need
to
pay
close
attention
to
and
I
look
on,
page
29
of
our
packet
and
I
think
I
understand
this,
but
I
want
to
double
check
under
buildings,
there's
reduction
in
commercial
and
industrial
electricity
and
it's
minus
2%.
O
So
that
says
to
me
that
we're
going
the
wrong
way
in
our
commercial
and
industrial
emissions
and
so
I
think
we
need
to
pay
close
attention
to
that,
because
it
is
the
lion's
share
and
we
need
to
engage
business
leaders
and
tied
them
into
the
community
in
the
same
way
that
Lisa
you're,
describing
with
Vika
cycle
I.
Just
don't
want
to
lose
sight
of
that.
O
That's
the
only
kind
of
sector
that
is
more
or
less
flat
and
there's
a
declining
at
the
moment,
so
I
just
wanted
to
flag
that,
and
the
last
thing
I
want
to
point
out
and
I
should
have
mentioned
this
earlier.
Around
financial
considerations
is
Pera.
We
have
a
real
hook
into
Peres
and
it's
what
is
the
retirement
funding
for
many
of
our
employees
and
so
I
think
we
need
to
be
really
active
and
make
sure
that
Peres
is
investing
in
a
way
that
is
climate
friendly.
So
thank
you.
Q
B
B
M
Sorry
so
the
thoughts
we
did
just
put
together
a
quick
slide
just
so
there
was
clear
understanding
of
what
emergency
declaration
is
and
I'll
just
read
this
top
part
and
just
give
you
some
statistics
about
what's
going
on
in
the
world.
So,
as
you
may
know,
you
have
the
opportunity
to
declare
a
climate
emergency.
It's
really
a
resolution
passed
by
a
government
body
and
puts
the
government
on
record
and
support
of
emergency
action
to
reverse
global
warming.
M
So
we
have
in
fact
passed
a
number
of
similar
resolutions
in
the
past
related
to
under
two
and
other
climate
related
issues.
So
it's
not
that
unusual
that
we
would
do
something
like
this,
particularly
when
you
look
at
there
are
740
jurisdictions
and
16
countries
that
have
declared
a
climate
emergency
I
think
the
question
would
be
whether
council
wants
to
look
at
any
binding
actions
or
non-binding
actions.
I
do
have
a
template
that
a
lot
of
the
communities
have
used
as
a
guide,
and
let
me
just
give
you
a
map.
M
M
B
Strikes
me
I
mean
you're.
Gonna
have
a
whole.
You
could
either
do
this
at
the
beginning
of
the
end,
and
it
seems
like
there's
going
to
be
a
launch
event
in
September.
That
may
be
in
concert
with
that
that
that
would
be
timely
if
this
council
wanted
to
do
something,
since
this
plan
will
be
finished
in
another
council.
N
I
would
like
that
and
when
this
person
you
know
sent
us
the
email
and
then
I
communicate
it
with
them
back
and
forth,
and
then
he
sent
different
attachments
of
what
other
communities
and
it's
just
a
resolution.
So
it's
not
like
an
ordinance
and
that
we
have
to
have
one
or
two
readings
and
a
huge
public
hearing
it
just
as
a
statement
and
I
think
it
clearly
states
where
this
community
is
and
I,
don't
think
it
would
take
a
lot
of
time
from
our
agenda
and.
Q
B
T
X
Thank
You
Council
for
the
opportunity
to
be
with
you
this
evening:
I'm
Yvette,
Bowden
I'm,
the
director
of
community
vitality.
For
purposes
of
this
conversation
we're
here
to
follow
up
on
an
earlier
conversation
and
I'm
gonna
turn
it
right
over
to
Sarah.
We
Vincent
who's,
been
the
project
lead
for
this
important
effort
before
I
do
on
behalf
of
the
community,
vitality
team
and
the
project
team.
I
just
want
to
thank
all
of
our
colleagues
across
the
city,
several
of
whom
are
in
the
audience
tonight
from
other
departments
who
were
part
of
our
internal
team.
X
On
this,
we
would
also
like
to
thank
our
many
partners
in
the
community
partner
organizations
like
the
chamber,
the
downtown
Boulder
partnership,
the
small
business
development
council,
so
many
others
that
were
helpful
in
helping
us
do
the
outreach
earlier,
and
we
really
also
want
to
extend
thanks
to
the
many
people
who
filled
out
survey
instruments
that
gave
us
the
ability
to
give
you
this
comprehensive
document.
This
evening,
Sarah.
Y
Thank
you
all
for
the
opportunity
to
present
the
final
report
of
the
citywide
retail
study,
citywide
regional
project
study
phase
in
the
interest
of
time.
Anyone
interested
in
reviewing
the
entirety
of
the
report
may
refer
to
the
council
agenda
packet,
and
we
also
will
post
it
to
the
city's
project
page
tomorrow.
Along
with
this
presentation
tonight,
we
will
be
focusing
on
the
key
findings
and
next
steps
towards
crafting
a
citywide
retail
strategy.
The
strategy
phase
is
intended
to
provide
counsel
with
actionable
recommendations
by
the
end
of
the
year.
Y
As
a
quick
recap,
the
citywide
retail
project
arose
out
of
to
retail
related
goals
and
the
Boulder
Valley
Comprehensive
Plan.
These
were
to
maintain
affordable
commercial
space
and
also
to
promote
a
vibrant
retail
base.
Overall,
almost
a
year
ago,
City
Council
provided
direction
for
the
study
requesting
that
it
reinforced
Boulder
core
values
such
as
sustainability,
environmental
stewardship,
creating
a
sense
of
place
and
promoting
Boulder
as
a
welcoming,
inclusive
and
diverse
community.
Y
It
should
be
noted
that
these
considerations
are
not
typical
of
local
retail
studies,
which
puts
Boulder
at
the
forefront
of
integrating
retail
planning
into
broader
nationwide
efforts
to
look
at
issues
of
affordability
and
inclusivity.
The
citywide
retail
study
also
builds
on
the
findings
of
the
more
finite
downtown
retail
vibrancy
study
that
was
completed
in
2018.
Y
The
final
report
provides
information,
ranging
from
how
boulders
retail
sector
performs,
overall
to
how
its
performance
compares
to
neighboring
communities
in
pure
communities
nationwide.
With
the
added
exploration
of
what
support
small
businesses
need
to
sustain
themselves
in
Boulder,
tonight's
presentation
will
focus
on
key
findings
from
the
study
and
how
these
might
be
addressed
in
the
citywide
retail
strategy,
which
key
findings
included.
Boulders,
retail
inventory
and
sales
are
strong
and
competitive,
boulders
sales
tax
revenues
both
benefit
from
and
are
reliant
on,
spending
by
non-residents,
for
example,
workers
and
visitors.
Sales.
Y
Tax
revenues
are
relatively
flat,
signaling
a
need
to
be
proactive
and
seek
opportunities
to
better
serve
our
shoppers,
including
a
look
at
more
inclusive
goods
and
reducing
retail
deserts,
and
to
be
ready
for
changes
in
consumer
behavior.
We
also
found
in
the
responses
to
the
shopper
survey
that
residents
are
calling
for
access
to
more
affordable
goods
and
retailers
are
calling
for
more
City
support
and
options
for
affordable
space.
Y
The
framework
will
consolidate
the
key
findings
from
the
report
into
two
sets
of
objectives.
The
strategy
will
provide
additional
exploration
for
these
findings
for
staff,
to
provide
actionable
recommendations
to
counsel
the
first
set
of
objectives,
focus
on
the
findings
related
to
boulders
retail
inventory
being
sufficient,
but
needing
to
address
declining
sales
in
certain
areas.
Unmet
needs
in
the
community
and
opportunities
to
enhance
our
position
in
the
face
of
growing
competition
and
I
will
go
into
more
detail
on
each
of
these
objectives.
Y
Y
The
study
also
looked
at
the
weather,
the
location
of
existing
bolder
retail
was
accessible
to
residents
and
workers.
The
map
at
left
shows
the
location
of
residential
density
relative
to
the
ten
primary
concentrations
of
retail
in
the
city.
Well,
the
map
at
right
shows
the
location
specifically
of
grocery
stores
and
pharmacies.
Y
These
two
types
of
retail
uses
are
typically
considered
as
important
elements
of
a
fifteen-minute
neighborhood
or
a
3/4
mile
radius
from
someone's
home
large
printed
maps
with
the
locations
of
bolder
retail
activity
are
available
on
boards
in
the
room
for
anybody
who
would
like
a
closer
look,
the
study
also
found
that
a
significant
portion
of
boulders
population
resides
outside
these
nodes.
Looking
at
areas
with
the
highest
density
population,
there
was
only
one
that
the
Vista
Village
neighborhood
east
of
foothills
and
north
of
Valmont,
that
did
not
have
walkable
access
to
groceries.
Y
Similarly,
looking
at
the
location
of
pharmacies,
citywide,
each
node
had
a
pharmacy
other
than
the
North
Boulder
annex
area
or
nobo,
which
we'll
go
into
later.
As
with
resident
access
to
groceries
and
pharmacy
uses.
It
is
expected
that
Boulder
workers
would
have
convenient
access
to
dining
out
options
and,
in
fact,
cafes
and
fine
dining
were
the
two,
only
the
two,
only
retail
categories
in
which
Boulder
workers
expressed
a
preference
for
spending
in
Boulder
rather
than
elsewhere.
Y
The
map
at
left
shows
areas
with
high
concentrations
of
employment
in
bold,
and
the
map
at
right
shows
the
locations
of
cafes,
restaurants
and
bars.
The
study
found
that
all
retail
nodes
in
Boulder
were
well
served
by
dining
options,
but
that
three
areas
with
high
concentrations
of
employment
fell
outside
those
areas.
These
were
the
bull
D
count
at
Boulder
County
office
areas
at
iris
and
Broadway,
the
northeast
corner
of
the
Boulder
industrial
area,
north
of
Arapaho
and
the
southwest
area
of
Gunbarrel.
Y
The
study
also
looked
at
boulders
overall
retail
performance,
both
by
retail
industry
category
and
by
geographic
area
within
the
city.
Large
maps
with
the
sales
tax
areas
are
also
available
in
the
room
for
anyone
interested
in
looking
getting
a
closer
look.
These
are
the
areas
that
are
tracked
by
our
finance
department
in
their
monthly
revenue
reports.
Y
The
study
found
that
two
of
the
top
performing
sales
tax
areas
are
experiencing
gradual
declines
that
are
reinforced
in
the
most
recent
year
to
year,
to
date,
figures
first,
food
stores
as
among
the
it's,
the
third
highest
grossing
sales
tax
industry
category.
However,
sales
have
dropped
off
considerably
in
the
past
year
and,
unfortunately,
that
red
circle
dropped
a
little
bit
when
I
converted
to
PDF.
But
that's
where
the
food
sales
are
going.
W
I
know
you
can
do
some
benchmarking
later
on,
but
I
don't
think
this
isn't
your
benchmarking
do
we
have
fun
benchmarking
or
comparative
information
with
respect
to
food
stores
in
the
region.
In
other
words,
there
are
grocery
dollars
going
outside
the
region
or
people
just
not
buying
groceries
anymore
yeah.
W
N
Just
have
a
question:
you
have
this
north
broadway
annex
and
I
know
you're
getting
talked
about
it,
but
you're
not
including
the
hillside,
shops
and
that's
kind
of
odd,
because
that
has
multiple
dining
options.
It
has
a
significant
grocery
store.
It
has
coffee,
shops,
I,
think
that's
included
in
a
different.
It
has
a
liquor.
N
Y
Y
Y
So
yes,
so,
first,
food
stores
sales
have
dropped
off
considerably
in
the
past
year.
Second,
sales
tax
revenues
from
the
29th
Street
area
are
not
remaining
flat
or
moderately
increasing,
as
was
the
case
with
the
other
top
three
performing
geographic
areas
and
was
seeing
us
like
decline.
It
was
worth
noting
the
additional
finding
that
sales
tax
growth
rates
are
not
keeping
pace
with
inflation.
In
fact,
the
increase
in
sales
tax
over
the
past
four
years
follows
closely
with
the
collection
of
out-of-state
sales
tax,
largely
impacted
by
the
evolution
of
online
sales
tax
remittances.
Y
We
mentioned
earlier
that
Boulder
retail
performs
well
compared
to
its
neighboring
communities.
The
chart
at
right
shows
that
Boulder
has
a
higher
pull
factor
in
a
number
of
retail
industry
categories
which
are
circled
in
red.
The
pull
factor
indicates
that
Boulder
sales
in
these
areas
exceed
the
spending
of
the
potential
of
its
own
households.
Interestingly,
Boulder
did
not
have
a
higher
pull
factor
in
two
categories
cited
by
Boulder
shoppers
as
not
meeting
their
needs,
namely
department
stores
in
apparel
those
are
shown
in
the
orange
squares
below
where
Broomfield
exceeds
the
pull
factor
there.
Y
The
study
produced
an
interesting
finding
related
to
the
impact
of
large
plate
retail
spaces.
Boulders
position,
as
already
as
having
the
highest
vacancy
rate
above
its
neighbors,
is
in
part
because
the
current
Macy
space
and
29th
Street
is
already
listed
as
vacant
in
the
coast.
Our
real
estate
database,
if
the
Macy
space
remains
filled,
boulders
vacancy
rate
drops
to
three
point:
nine
percent,
which
is
more
in
line
with
its
neighbors
other
than
Louisville,
which
also
currently
has
several
large
plate.
Vacancies
boulders.
Y
X
Y
So
it's
really
just
an
indication
if
you
look
at
the
Louisville
rates
being
so
much
higher
of
the
impact
of
these
large
spaces,
and
so,
if
that
space
remains
occupied,
our
absorption
rate
also
goes
down
to
about
zero,
which
means
that
our
current
retail
supply
is
meeting
current
demand
when
looking
at
builders
retail
performance
relative
to
pure
communities
nationwide.
These
were
communities
with
high
university,
related
populations
and
other
characteristics
similar
to
Boulder.
It
was
notable
that
four
out
of
the
five
of
these
communities
had
no
new
retail
construction
starts
planned.
Y
The
strategy
offers
an
opportunity
to
look
at
how
Boulder
can
better
utilize
its
existing
retail
space
to
meet
the
needs
of
its
residents
and
workers
and
to
remain
competitive.
Regionally.
The
map
at
right
shows
the
location
of
existing
vacancies.
The
strategy
could
include
looking
at
where
new
types
of
food
stores
could
be
located.
What
types
of
retail
could
boost
sales
in
the
twenty
ninth
Street
area
and
where
additional
retail
could
be
located
to
address
retail
deserts
and
possibly
provide
affordable
commercial
opportunities
for
smaller
businesses.
Sorry.
P
Can
I
ask
you
a
question
there,
as
because
in
there
and
in
a
few
other
places
in
our
packet,
it
talks
about
looking
for
opportunities
for
certain
kinds
of
retail,
but
what
latitude
do
we
have?
Is
a
government
to
set
that
right,
I
mean
we
can
optimize
from
work
retail
space
in
general,
but
how
would
we
try
to
get
a
food
store
in
a
particular
area
or
any
other
kind
of
retail
specific
retail
use?
If.
X
It
was
an
interest
that
came
out
in
this
strategy
and
the
subsequent
work
or
as
directed
by
Council.
There
are
communities
that
develop
pull
programs
to
actually
pitch
and
market
their
locations
to
certain
types
of
businesses
they're
trying
to
attract
this
would
be
part
of
a
larger
conversation,
one
that
we
feel
we
need
a
little
bit
more
digging
in
particular,
neighborhoods
and
I.
Think
ties
intensively
to
the
walkability
question
of
what's
happening
in
particular
neighborhoods
as
they
evolve.
So
we
think
we
need
to
do
a
little
bit
more
homework
on
that.
X
There
are
some
cities
that
have
particular
programs
to
pull
in
certain
types
of
community
serving
things,
and
they
typically
do
that
as
they're
evolving
neighborhoods.
To
say,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
this
is
going
to
be
walkable
and
has
these
kinds
of
things
in
it
and
then
they'll
have
a
group
like
ours
and
community
vitality,
be
working
with
those
types
of
businesses
to
see
if
there's
interest
in
a
formation,
so.
P
X
P
Y
Y
Okay,
in
terms
of
oh,
maybe
I'm,
furthering
promoting
small
business
sustainability
is
a
key
driver
of
the
citywide
retail
project.
The
findings
of
the
retail
studies
suggests
that
this
could
be
approached
in
two
ways:
first
and
directly:
responding
to
the
challenges
cited
by
existing
retailers
and
retailers
that
have
closed
within
the
past
two
years
and,
second,
by
continuing
to
build
on
city
efforts
to
maintain
affordable
commercial
in
ways
that
dovetail
with
the
findings
of
the
study.
Y
The
study
found
that
retailers
generally
are
very
happy
to
be
located
in
Boulder,
as
was
mentioned
earlier.
They
appreciate
its
natural
beauty,
a
well
educated
and
affluent
customer
base
and
the
mix
of
customer
types.
It
was
noted
in
the
survey
responses,
however,
that
a
majority
of
retailers
feel
that
it
is
becoming
more
difficult
to
do
business
in
Boulder
the
retailer
survey
and
exit
interviews.
With
recently
closed
retailers
provided
some
insight
on
how
the
city
could
help
reverse
this
impression.
Y
Some
of
the
challenges
cited
may
be
a
perception
that
are
not
that
it
is
not
actually
the
maybe
a
perception
well,
it
is
not
actually
worse
than
Boulder
than
a
neighboring
communities
such
as
taxes
and
rents.
The
suggested
framework
for
the
strategy
would
include
a
look,
however,
and
how
the
city
can
support
employee
retention
through
access
improvements
and
existing
efforts
to
provide
workforce
housing.
You
could
also
look
at
supplemental
parking
and
access
improvements,
help
with
navigating
city
processes
and
opportunities
to
create
more
affordable
commercial
space.
Y
The
final
way
in
which
retailers
said
that
Boulder
could
help
them
to
sustain
their
business
was
to
provide
more
opportunities
for
affordable
space.
This
was
one
of
the
comprehensive
plan
goals
that
helped
drive
the
retail
study
and
efforts
are
already
underway
to
pilot,
affordable
commercial
programs
such
as
the
spaces
being
created
at
30th
and
Pearl,
as
well
as
conversations
about
affordable
commercial
being
a
possible
community
benefit.
Y
The
city
has
discussed
looking
at
district
own
spaces
in
the
downtown
area
as
a
possible
approach
to
providing
affordable
space
and
to
reconfiguring
or
sharing
existing
spaces,
possibly
with
incentives
to
create
opportunities
for
smaller
or
shared
retail
concepts.
The
strategy
would
look
at
these
and
other
best
practices
nationwide
to
determine
if
there
are
additional
ways
to
provide
affordability.
Y
The
next
steps
would
include
updating
the
framework
based
on
council's
feedback
this
evening,
depending
on
the
priority
objectives,
staff
will
convene
an
interdepartmental
team
to
evaluate
the
resources
needed
to
complete
the
strategy.
As
with
the
study
phase,
the
strategy
would
include
a
rigorous
Community
Engagement
plan,
bringing
in
the
expertise
of
our
nonprofit
economic
vitality
partners,
as
well
as
retailers,
community
organizations
and
members
of
the
public.
As
part
of
the
survey
responses,
we
had
over
300
members,
the
public
offered
to
participate
in
follow-up
focus
groups.
Y
Lastly,
the
intention
is
to
provide
counsel
with
actionable
recommendations
by
the
end
of
the
year.
The
questions
we're
asking
counsel
are
whether
you
wish
to
add
or
remove
any
of
the
objectives
from
the
strategy
if
there
are
any
priority
objectives
that
you
want
the
strategy
to
focus
on.
And
lastly,
if
Council
agrees
with
the
proposed
set
of
next
steps,.
Y
B
W
W
You
touched
a
little
bit
on
setups,
but
I
think
the
regulatory
is
a
big
part
of
it
and
as
we
work
on
our
use
tables,
this
is
an
opportunity
for
us
to
look
at
what
our
use
tables
say
about
what's
permitted
and
if
we
have,
if
we
don't
permit
retail
in
certain
places,
this
is
a
wonderful
opportunity
for
us
to
remove
those
regulatory
barriers,
but
the
third-
and
this
is
the
toughest
one-
over
incentives
and
regulatory-
is
in
some
places.
It's
just
plain
old
infrastructure.
W
W
Neighborhoods
in
the
north
side,
there's
neighborhoods
in
the
north
side
and
then
south
you
saw
the
the
desert
there
and-
and
it's
not
just
a
matter
of
the
zoning,
doesn't
work
or
people.
Don't
think.
There's
enough
folks
there
to
have
the
incentive
to
open
a
shop,
there's
physically
no
place
to
open
a
shop,
and
so
I
think
we
need
to
be
looking
at
corners,
I'm,
a
big
fan
of
bodegas.
W
You
know
where
you
can
we're
on
every
corner
or
every
major
intersection,
there's
an
opportunity
to
to
spend
money
and
I
think
so,
for
example,
using
north
older
Broadway
iris.
If
that
ever
comes
into
our
control,
that
would
be
a
wonderful
place
for
us
to
eliminate
a
commercial
desert
in
that
part
of
town
and
I.
Think
there's
other
commercial
deserts
where
I
think
we
need
to
be
looking
at
actually
physically
changing
uses
from
what
they
are
right
now
and
is
more
than
just
incentive
as
more
than
just
regulatory
as
actual
infrastructure.
We.
N
B
X
W
You
so
that's
a
nice
segue
into
my
second
point,
which
is
you
mentioned.
You
know
it's
interesting
and
surprising
that
our
our
our
rental
rates
are
relatively
comparable
to
peer
to
peer
things.
Instead,
so
well,
I'm,
all
in
favor
of
experimenting
with
affordable
commercial
I
know
we're
gonna
start
the
30th
and
pearl
that
doesn't
seem
to
be
a
genuine
barrier
to
to
reach
diversity
of
retail
on,
nor
do
our
sales
tax
well
they're.
On
the
little
on
the
high
side,
we're
not
off
the
scale.
W
I
think
you
hit
the
nail
on
the
head,
but
only
only
part
of
the
nail.
It's
not
just
the
fees
that
we
impose
to
get
people
started
up.
It's
the
regulatory
burdens,
I,
don't
think.
There's
a
week,
that's
gone
by
in
my
three
and
a
half
years
on
council
that
I
haven't.
Had
somebody
call
me
up
and
say
you
know
how
hard
it
is
to
start
a
business
and
Boulder,
and
it's
not
just
the
check
the
editor
right.
W
It's
all
the
hoops
they've
got
to
go
through
in
the
fact
that
they've
got
to
go
from
Department
the
department,
the
Department,
and
they
don't
talk
to
each
other-
that
I
have
to
fill
out
the
same
form
with
five
different
people
and
and
I.
Don't
know
why
you
all,
aren't
you
guys
one
city
and
the
answer
is
no
we're
a
bunch
of
departments
and
I.
Think
that's
the
number
one
streamlining
that
we
need
doing
suicide,
the
fees
because
folks
can
bake
that
into
their
their
pricing.
N
Sentiment
and
this
week,
I've
heard
from
probably
six
different
people
who
have
you
know
filled
me.
It
sounds
like
I'm
talking
the
same
person
but
I
know
I'm
talking
to
different
people
and
just
how
hard
it
is
not
only
for
businesses
but
for
any
kind
of
permitting,
whether
it's
a
residential,
whether
you're
just
fixing
your
house
or
whatever
and
I,
can't
say
loud
enough.
N
We
somehow
have
to
collapse
that,
so
it's
not
such
a
burdensome
process,
it
shouldn't
be
so
hard
and
people
waiting
three
four
weeks
and
then
somebody
goes
on
vacation
and
doesn't
turn
it
over
to
somebody
else.
That
really
needs
to
get
fixed.
I
I
wanted
to
kind
of
follow
up
on
Aaron's
question
where
he
was
saying.
Is
there
any
way
we
can
incent
certain
types
of
retail
and
one
of
the
big
holes
that
I
know?
Bob
is
interested
and
I.
N
Think
a
lot
of
us
are
interested
in
is
the
diagonal
plaza
and
what
might
happen
there
and
I
know
there's
tons
of
complications.
There
was
multiple
ownerships,
but
we
should
really
figure
that
out
and
because
that
could
have
a
lot
of
benefit
for
the
communities
on
either
side
of
28th
or
30th
and
could
be
a
really
central
place
and
could
also
be
retail
and
other
things.
And
it's
lost
a
lot
of
its
former
retail.
So
things
like
music,
GART,
brothers
or
dicks,
or
something
big
retail
was
there
and
then
Albertsons
and
Olive
Sports
Authority.
N
Think,
oh
and
the
whole
thing
about
non-resident
shoppers
and
some
who
shop
in
some
who
don't
I
was
thinking
about
again
my
my
own
personal
experience
where
most
of
my
career
I
didn't
work
in
the
city
of
Boulder.
In
fact,
I
commuted
and
I,
never
shopped
in
the
community
that
I
worked
in
and
I
found
that
a
really
odd
thing
that
you're,
depending
on
people
who
don't
live
here
to
shop
here
and
I
guess
my
experience
was
I'm
at
work.
I
need
to
work
and
I
need
to
get
home
as
fast
as
possible.
N
X
Sense
to
me,
so
not
all
shoppers
are
the
same,
I
appreciate
the
inquiry
and
we
do
need
to
dig
a
little
deeper.
The
fact
is
that,
as
a
per
capita
amount
of
spen
the
revenue
generated,
we
are
reliant
upon
it.
One
thing
to
consider
that
we'll
need
to
continue
to
look
at
in
the
future
as
well
is
as
we
as
a
community
continue
to
age
and
or
have
young
students,
and
both
of
those
groups
have
fixed
incomes
or
less
disposable
income.
Let's
say
we'll
need
to
pay
even
greater
attention
on
our
reliance
over
time.
X
The
retail
industry
is
clearly
shifting.
This
was
acknowledged
by
the
consultant
that
helped
us
and
frankly,
in
the
space
and
I
think
profoundly
from
the
people
that
filled
out
the
survey
across
all
categories
and
from
the
retailers,
and
so
while
it
may
be
surprising,
it
is
nonetheless
of
the
sales
tax
realized
and.
N
X
Are
we
did?
There
is
a
capability
in
the
raw
survey
data
to
distinguish
between
a
visitor
versus
somebody
who
is
a
commuter
worker,
and
the
behaviors
are
different
mm-hmm.
So
in
a
place
where
you
have
high
workforce
density,
that
might
be
daytime
purchases
of
lunch
if
it's
nearby
or
even
an
immediate
after
work,
whereas
your
visitor
is
really
concentrating
on
the
core
in
your
downtown
and
on
29th
Street.
X
So
it
is
a
different
type
of
sales
behavior,
something
we
intend
to
look
at,
and
none
of
which
should
be
looked
at
as
the
only
thing
that
we
want
to
rely
on,
because
in
this
area,
diversification
is
key.
I.
Think
one
of
the
things
that
we
just
really
want
to
keep
an
eye
on
with
all
of
our
partners
are
what
is
keeping
our
businesses
afloat
and
all
of
these
people
employed
as
well
as
how
to
also
serve
the
needs
of
residents
who
are
purchasing
groceries
here
and
going
to
the
pharmacy
and
things
like
that.
A.
W
Follow-Up
question:
mm-hmm,
one
time
long
long
time
ago,
Bob
I
can
told
me
that
back
to
the
envelope,
if
I
understood
him
correctly,
that
he
estimated
that
somewhere
between
40
and
50
percent
of
our
sales
tax
was
paid
by
people
who
don't
live
here,
and
that
was
a
whole
spectrum.
It
could
be
that
the
commuter
I
think
that
just
bought
a
cup
of
coffee
or
lunch,
it
could
be
the
person
who
comes
up
from
Denver
or
Arvada
to
walk
a
Pearl
Street
Mall
on
a
Sunday
afternoon,
or
it
could
be.
W
Y
X
U
Wondering
if
there
are
any
if
there
are
any
times
where
that
shift
becomes
apparent,
because
that
did
not
used
to
be
the
case
and
just
what
it
what
it
would
have
been
in
terms
of
trending.
That
would
have
caused
that
I'm.
Not
sure
Bobby's
made
that
statement
to
Bob,
just
where
he's
sort
of
pulling
that
from
so
to
speak.
You've.
W
U
P
I've
certainly
heard
that
many
times
as
well
from
the
people
who
are
really
challenged
to
navigate
the
system
and
so
that
just
that
stood
out
to
me
as
something
that,
if
we
could
I
don't
know
if
we
have
a
someone,
who's,
an
ombudsman
or
or
somebody
in
each
department,
that's
tasked
with
knowing
who
to
coordinate
with
in
other
departments,
but
it
seems
like
a
kind
of
a
low-hanging
fruit,
particularly
for
the
smaller
businesses.
Right
I
mean
you
assume
that
somebody
like
a
Macy's
is
gonna.
P
Have
the
staff
people
to
figure
it
all
out
without
too
much
trouble,
but
if
you're
just
trying
to
start
a
1,500
square,
foot,
clothing
store
or
something,
it's
probably
gonna,
be
very
tough.
To
figure
that
stuff
out
so
I'd
love
to
see
us
figure
out
ways
that
we
can
make
that
process
easier
for
people
and
and
maybe
for
smaller
businesses.
We
could
look
at
you
know
a
different
path.
You
know,
maybe,
if
you're
under
a
certain
threshold,
you
get
the
quick
and
easy
path.
P
You
know,
if
you're
over
a
certain
threshold,
you
have
to
do
the
full
thing,
or
maybe
you
can
waive
a
couple
fees
first,
businesses
under
a
certain
size
or
something
like
that.
I
mean
we're
talking
about
I'm,
trying
to
encourage
businesses
that
sell
more
affordable
goods
right,
which
I
think
is
an
important
goal,
and
so
one
way
to
make
that
more
doable
is
to
offer
services
to
them
or
maybe
to
make
it
less
expensive.
P
I,
don't
know
how
you'd
quantify
that,
but
we
took
we're
working
on
an
affordable
commercial
space
program
which
would
be
about
the
rents
that
were
charged,
but
helping
out
with
the
fees
might
be
another
way
to
look
at
something
like
that
and
I.
When
I
was
reading
through
the
the
freeform
comments
on
the
surveys,
the
the
interest
in
more
affordable
codes
came
through
over
and
over
and
over
again
and
and
I
feel,
like
maybe
some
of
the
gaps
there
are
in
of
midsize
stores.
P
You
know,
like
you,
think,
about
like
Bed,
Bath
and
Beyond,
for
example,
that
we
do
have
here
in
town,
but
there
are
a
number
of
like
no
there's.
No
sporting
goods
store
of
a
certain
size
right
and-
and
so
we
have
a
few
of
those
spaces
in
town
like
diagonal.
Plaza
has
some
empty
ones,
but
I
know
you
talked
about
optimizing
existing
retail
spaces.
That
seems
like
one
of
those
opportunities.
You
know
if
we
could
maybe
attract
a
handful
of
stores
that
sold
goods
that
were
a
little
bit
more
affordable
in
broad
categories.
P
By
helping
people
to
reconfigure
spaces,
it
seems
like
that
could
be
handy.
I
also
echo
what
I
was
saying
about
where
retail
is
located.
The
idea
of
the
corner
shop,
which
our
zoning
doesn't
allow
in
most
places
you
think
about
the
what's
now
that
alpine
cafe
used
to
be
Delilah's,
you
know
store
up
on
the
hill,
which
is
just
the
super
functional
thing
in
the
middle
of
the
neighborhood,
and
you
can't
do
in
almost
any
part
of
the
city.
P
So
that's
one
of
those
things
to
look
at
I'd
agreed
like
Broadway
and
iris
would
be
a
great
place
to
have
a
mixed-use
node.
Eventually,
if
we
can
get
there
tying
into
the
the
use
table
discussion,
one
of
your
desert
areas
was
food
for
people
who
work
in
the
business
parks
and
so
I'll
put
in
another
plug
I've
plugged
a
couple
times
in
our
current
use.
Table
project
allow
for
small
restaurants
in
those
industrial
areas.
P
I'll
use
this
opportunity
to
put
in
another
plug
and,
as
some
planning
staff
has
pushed
back
on
that
a
little
bit,
but
it
seems
like
these
recommendations
point
us
in
in
that
in
that
very
direction.
I
think
that
would
be
handy
and
another
thing
you
noted
that
rents
are
roughly
comparable
for
retail
spaces
here
and
in
peer
communities
around
the
county,
which
I
see
is
the
case,
but
the
the
the
analysis
punted
on
the
property
tax
question
and
what
I've
heard
from
from
some
business
owners.
P
Small
business
owners
in
particular
is
that
the
the
triple
net,
the
insurance
common
aromanians
and
tax
fees
can
actually
get
so
high
that
they're
comparable
to
the
rent
amounts.
So
I
feel,
like
those
triple
net
fees,
are
a
huge
part
of
what's
making
it
tough
to
afford
commercial
space
here
in
Boulder.
So
I'd
really
like
to
see
an
effort
to
capture
some
of
those
numbers
like
I,
get
that
there
are
special
taxing
districts
in
a
lot
of
different
places,
but
you
could
normalize
for
that
a
little
bit.
P
So
that
would
be
my
one
ask
as
part
of
that,
but
I
feel
like
in
general,
your
you're
absolutely
on
the
right
track,
and
we've
got
a
lot
of
good
stuff
going
here
and
so
I
look
forward
to
seeing
the
final
strategy
and
implementing
some
of
this
stuff.
Occasionally
the
plans
get
finished
and
then
not
necessarily
implemented
a
whole
lot.
Hopefully,
this
is
one
that
we
will
keep
working
on.
Thank
you.
O
O
What
Aaron
said
there
needs
to
be
restaurants,
convenience
stores-
and
you
know
things
that
workers
will
use.
Workers
are
not
going
shopping,
like
Lisa,
said
for
clothes
or
shoes
or
Sporting
Goods,
that's
something
they
do
in
the
weekends
wherever
they
they
live,
and
so,
when
we
think
about
the
needs
of
workers,
we
we
should
really
just
concentrate
on
this
service
needs
and
I
think
the
way
I
would
look
at
that
angle
of
a
reason.
O
Staff
hesitates
to
do
you
either
housing
or
services
in
industrial
parks
is
because
of
the
concentration
you
would
get
and
the
conflict
of
uses
right.
Some
of
the
industrial
areas
have
you
know
the
stinky
uses
like
coffee
roasting.
You
know
it's
great
we're
all
like
coffee,
but
it
can
be
not
where
you'd
want
to
eat
lunch.
O
So
you
can
look
at
that
location
as
kind
of
potentially
a
very
good
service
location
for
the
employment
centers
out
there.
So
that
was
one
of
my
thoughts,
because
your
your
strategy,
topic
area,
I'm
on
page
52,
talked
about
you
know
optimizing
for
what
the
employment
centers
need.
I
think
that's
pretty
obvious
what
they
need
and
then
the
one
other
thing
that
I
thought
I'd
bring
up
is
thank
you
for
the
Spanish
language
shopping
responses.
O
I
hadn't,
seen
that
Marian
when
I
was
talking
to
you
earlier
this
afternoon
there
and
I
hadn't
quite
gotten
to
that.
But
as
far
as
wanting
to
be
a
welcoming
community
I
think
that's
one
of
the
things
that
we
lack
is
what
folks,
who
are
telling
us
in
Spanish
that
they
need
and
that's
you
know
both
more
shopping
areas
that
serve
the
kinds
of
food
that
they
like
to
make
as
well
as
lower
cost
retail
and
so
I.
O
Don't
know
what
to
say
about
that,
except
that
it's
a
clear
request
from
a
community
that
we
want
to
be
welcoming
to
and
what
I
would
want
to
focus
on
is
is
a
lot
of
that.
You
know
I,
think
a
lot
of
the
retail
businesses
here.
Have
it
dialed
in
pretty
well
they're
doing
fairly
well
and
I
think
this
is
one
segment
you
know
we
have
Geographic
deserts
and
I
think
this
is
a
type
of
retail
surface
desert.
So,
but
thanks
and
good
work,
Mary.
Q
Thanks
them
for
that,
because
I
was
something
I
was
gonna,
bring
up,
I,
really
appreciated
those
comments
and
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that
a
lot
of
the
folks
that
are
because
I
hear
this
all
the
time
it's
I'm
going
I'm
driving
45
minutes
to
go
to
Northland,
North
Longmont
to
the
Walmart
and-
and
these
are
folks
that
are
working
two
three
jobs
that
have
less
time
that
are
having
to
drive
to
find
some
of
the
things
that
they
need.
Q
So
I
guess
what
we
need
to
do
is
again
put
the
equity
lens
on
this
and
focus
on
those
things
that
will
serve
people
with
lesser
means.
You
know
we
talk
a
lot
about
restaurants
and
coffee
shops,
but
that's
not
what
some
of
these
folks
are
looking
for,
they're!
Actually,
looking
for
practical
stuff
like
tortillas,
you
know,
I
mean
so
it's
it's!
Q
It's
an
important
thing
to
keep,
keep
our
eyes
on
and
and
figure
out
how
we
can
perhaps
work
with
the
existing
to
markets.
There's
two
two
fruit
that
he
has
there's
one
in
North
Boulder
in
Aaron's,
neighborhood
and
there's
another
one
right
at
30th
and
Belmont
and
to
work
with
those
folks
and
perhaps
find
out
from
them
what
it
is
they
need
because
often
times
they
are
sparsely
stocked.
N
Thank
you
colloquy.
You
know.
If
there's
we've
been
talking
about
affordable
businesses
and
things
like
that,
so
if
there's
an
opportunity
for
somebody
to
start
a
small
store,
a
small
retails
at
space
and
and
they
don't
have
the
wherewithal
totally
to
do
that-
and
we
do
have
the
small
business
group
and
I
know
they
do
a
pretty
good.
They
do
a
great
job,
but
I
would
like
to
see
how
we
can
a
lot
of
times.
People
aren't
even
aware
of
it.
N
Q
Q
So
you
mean
non-motorized
yeah.
The
push
cart
yeah
push
carts
was
the
item
that
was
left
off,
that
ordinance
for
later
revisiting
and
I.
Don't
think
we
ever
have
so
those
are
alternatives
to
having
a
brick-and-mortar
I
know
that
brick-and-mortar
folks
feel
competition
from
that,
but
especially
in
some
of
these
retail
deserts,
yeah.
B
N
N
Right
as
long
as
you're
still
on
the
same
topic,
otherwise
no
I,
like
tortillas
I,
was
just
kidding
to
say,
say
that
the
thing
about
these
desert
seas
of
industrial
deserts
and
having
smaller
retail
like
restaurants
and
services
is
so.
People
don't
have
to
drive
so
much
and
we're
trying.
We
just
had
the
climate
plan
and
we're
talking
about
the
retail
plan,
and
so
we
should
try
to
figure
out
how
to
reduce
the
amount
of
transportation
needed.
V
Okay,
I'm
gonna
go
a
little
bit
more
on
the
small
business
side
and
being
a
from
a
small
business
myself.
I
will
say
that
it
is
the
administrative
work
that
drowns.
You
and
we've
been
dealing
with
that
with
this
unfortunate
new
tax
that
our
legislature
put
through
that
we
now
have
to
charge
tax
from
every
other
state
or
county
city.
It's
insane
something
like
that,
will
destroy
a
business
and
it's
killing
us.
V
And
so
maybe
that
would
be
a
way
where
they
could
get
some
guidance
and
maybe
I
don't
know.
If
you
know
chamber,
if
you
pay,
your
dues
and
stuff
could
also
have
a
point
person
there
to
help
them
walk
through
these.
Because
again,
a
lot
of
people
might
have
a
specialty
in
a
small
business,
but
administrative
or.
V
Technology
may
not
be
had,
and
so
some
guidance
from
people
could
really
help,
because
I
think
having
been
here,
my
entire
life,
watching
our
small
businesses
go
away
and
be
replaced
by
chains
has
just
been
incredibly
sad.
I
think
it's
been
one
of
the
biggest
contributing
factors
to
losing.
The
amazing
feel
that
this
town
once
had
and
I
think
if
we
could
really
promote
bringing
in
some
really
unique
quote-unquote
mom-and-pop
shops.
Again.
I
would
love
to
see
that
and
there's
so
many
innovative
people.
V
Well,
the
same
thing
applies
to
lunch
hour
and
lunch
hour
and
Boulder
sucks
I
mean,
let's
just
be
honest:
I
don't
go
out.
I
try
to
stay
as
far
away
from
it.
I
mean
you
know.
So
if
people
are
having
things
that
are
brought
right
to
their
really
close
or
walkable
within
a
block
to
their
workplaces,
you're
gonna
decrease
your
carbon
emissions
you're
going
to
decrease
the
traffic,
even
a
decrease
that
frustration
you're
going
to
increase.
V
U
Sorry,
talking
to
my
paper
here,
I
agree
with
what
everyone
said
about
the
permitting
process.
I-
and
this
has
been
this
is
decades
old,
specifically
with
planning,
and
so
whatever
part
business
needs
to
have
to
go
through
in
that
and
I
was
thinking.
Maybe
we
could
get
someone
like
Chris
Hoffman,
who
just
who
contributed
I,
think
to
the
climate
discussion
who
does
organizational
development
correct?
U
We
just
put
it,
set
him
loose
in
the
planning
department
and
and
see
if
that
can't
be
of
some
help,
because
there
is
got
to
be
some
reason
why
this
has
been
so
difficult
decade
after
decade
after
decade
and
I'm,
not
exaggerating
with
that,
and
it
really
is
daunting.
And
it's
just
it's
it's
another
method
of
torture
in
this
community.
It
really
is
and
I
empathize
with
what
meerabai
is
saying
yeah.
This
is
so
at
any
rate,
that's
one
of
the
top
things
and
it's
not
business.
Necessarily,
it's
not
retail
study,
but
it's
the
process.
U
One
of
the
the
saturation
levels
in
the
industrial
I
think
Sam
had
just
mentioned
that
or
Aaron
had
about
having
just
a
limit
if
we're
going
to
have
food
places
so
that
as
we're
doing
with
the
ad
use
that
there
is
some
limitation
placed
and
one
of
the
questions
I
have
and
I
wonder.
If
you
did
any
sort
of
research
on
it
is
how
many
people
do
work
to
these
so-called
15-minute
neighbor
walk
to
these
15-minute
neighborhoods
places,
because
a
lot
of
them
have
parking
and
I
know
the
place
Lisa's
place.
U
U
The
time
so
and
people
do
stop
when
they're
going
back
and
forth
from
one
end
to
the
other,
but
part
of
the
part
that
would
be
as
how
many
people
in
the
neighborhood
actually
access
that
without
an
automobile
yeah.
If
that
could
be
measured,
it
would
be
helpful.
I
think,
because
this
may
be
just
a
name
that
we're
giving
that
doesn't
really
apply,
and
basically
that's
it
I
think
the
the
numbers,
the
information
you
gave
us
was
just
pretty
outstanding.
So
much
of
it
yeah.
U
Z
Suzanne,
so
thank
you,
Cindy
and
all
of
the
council
members
that
have
mentioned
concerns
with
permitting
in
the
planning
and
development
services
area.
So
what
I
want
you
to
know
is
that
we
are
well
aware
of
this
issue,
and
let
me
just
remind
you
that
when
we
had
the
first
adjustment
to
base
in
May,
the
council
was
good
enough
to
allow
us
to
hire
some
fixed
trim
positions.
We
recommending
some
others
that
will
extend
so
that
by
the
end
of
2020.
Z
Z
We
know
that
it's
an
issue
we're
trying
really
hard
to
make
progress
and
make
it
be
lasting
progress,
because,
when
Cindy
said
this
has
been
going
on
for
decades,
I
think
you're
100%
right
and
we
do
try
to
make
changes
and
tweak
some
and
things
get
better,
and
then
they
don't
always
stay
better.
So
we're
really
really
trying
on
this.
Z
U
May
I
make
just
one
suggestion
just
right
with
that
is
to
be
sure
and
include
users
in
the
process
to
people
who've
been
through
the
process
and
where
they
get
hung
up,
so
that
they
can
actually
actually
give
some
real
feedback
and
the
Planning
Department
knows.
Thank
you
for
the,
where
that
is
I
mean.
B
P
Real
quickly,
just
thanks
for
that
Cindy
I,
agree.
I'll,
just
know
that
you
know
a
few
years
ago,
David
Driscoll
I
had
a
group
that
was
working
on
process
improvements
at
the
Planning
Department
and
actually
came
under
some
pretty
harsh
criticism
for
members
of
council
because
it
was
perceived
as
working
with
users,
but
who
were
also
developers
or
building
people
building
things
so
I
would
ask
us
to
be
receptive,
because
the
council
has
not
always
been
receptive
to
similar
efforts
in
the
past
Thank.
W
Z
B
T
O
And
hop
in
on
this
real
quick
I
think
one-stop
shopping
right,
so
people
people
go
to
a
website,
start
your
business
and
here's
what
you
have
to
do
or
they
go
to
a
website,
building
permit
here's
what
you
have
to
do
because
I
know:
we've
talked
about
this
for
social
services
right
trying
to
have
one
spot
where
people
can
figure
out
all
the
different
forms
that
they
need
to
fill
out.
So
anyway,
that's
just
a
thought.
Yeah.
B
We
are,
we've
met
the
enemy
and
it
is
us
since
we
make
all
these
people
have
to
jump.
I
think
you
guys
have
said
it
all
very
well
and
I
will
not
repeat
it.
The
only
thing
I
would
say
is
I.
Do
we
mentioned
food
trucks
in
passing,
but
I
guess
they
devote
chunks
of
parking,
lots
to
food
truck
parks
and
I,
and
they
don't
have
to
be
as
permanent
as
they
are
there,
but
I
just
I
think
when
I
think
about
food
to
lunch,
the
worker
lunch
issue,
I
think
for
gosh
sakes.
B
Okay,
so
that's
what
I'm
saying
is
it's
time
for
us
to
change
that
one
look
at
Ray
Beck
and
how
well
that
works,
and
if
we
could
do
it
much
smaller
scale
for
the
lunchtime
crowd
but
I,
just
I
think
we
don't
have
to
make
this
as
difficult
as
we
make
it,
especially
in
some
of
these
places
where
we
both
work.
So
Mary's.
N
B
I
think,
especially
in
areas
of
town
where
existing
businesses
don't
need
to
go,
be
threatened.
Okay,
so
I
guess
in
general.
What
you're
hearing
from
us
on
your
questions
about
objectives
is
you're
headed
the
right
direction
and
there's
some
things
that
I
think
counsel
underscored
is
they're,
particularly
interested
in
addressing
and
it's
fun
to
watch
the
pendulum
swing
and
issues
to
come
around
again.
P
P
Does
right
and
and
what
who
can
be
mango
on
a
stick
with
some
lime
juice
right
but
I'll
just
say.
Thank
you.
So
much
is
an
amazing
packet,
amazing
memo
and
amazing
work,
and
thank
you
so
much
and
one
to
give
a
shout
out
as
well
to
sharon.
King
head
of
the
Small
Business
Development,
Center
who's
done
an
incredible
work
here
as
well.
I
noticed
that
she
like
went
out
and
found
the
people
for
the
eggs
it
interviews
it.
It
would
took
a
lot
of
work.