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All
right,
I'm
gambling
to
order
this
meeting
of
the
Boulder
City
Council
for
Thursday
May,
4th
2023.
I
believe
now
we're
going
to
call
to
order
and
have
a
roll
call.
Emily.
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This
month
also
observes
the
birthday
of
Vincent
chin,
who
was
born
on
May
18th
and
brutally
murdered
in
a
hate
crime
in
1982.,
his
murder
fueled,
a
national
Asian-American
activist
movement
that
continues
to
this
day.
We
have
seen
a
staggering
rise
in
bullying
and
discrimination
and
hate
crimes
against
the
Asian-American
and
Pacific
and
Pacific
Islander
communities.
Since
the
start
of
the
covid-19
pandemic.
Every
day,
kids
of
all
ages
suffer
from
being
bullied
in
schools
and
online
across
the
country
in
the
aapi
community.
E
This
problem
is
often
compounded
by
cultural,
religious
and
linguistic
barriers
that
keep
these
youth
from
seeking
and
receiving
help,
and
certain
aapi
groups,
including
South
Asian,
Muslim,
Sikh,
micronesian,
lgbtq,
immigrant
and
limited
English.
Proficient
youth
are
more
likely
to
be
the
targets
of
bullying.
Acts
of
Asian
anti-asian
bias
are
wrong
and
they
are
un-American
and
they
must
stop.
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C
This
year
marks
the
43rd
annual
celebration
of
the
achievements
and
contributions
made
by
Jewish
Americans,
starting
with
the
establishment
of
Jewish
American
Heritage
week
in
1980
and
expanded
in
2006
to
Encompass
the
month
of
May
Jewish
American
Heritage
Month
acknowledges
achievements
of
American
Jews
in
the
fields
of
literature,
arts,
entertainment,
medicine,
business
science,
government,
military
service,
music
and
more
Jewish.
Americans
have
played
indispensable
roles
in
our
Civic
and
community
life,
making
invaluable
contributions
through
their
leadership
and
achievements.
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Jewish
Americans
have
advanced
their
Collective
efforts
for
a
more
just
and
fair
Society
leading
movements
for
social
justice
and
working
to
ensure
that
the
opportunities
they
have
secured
are
extended
to
others.
Unfortunately,
Jewish
communities
in
this
nation
continue
to
be
challenged
by
bigotry,
hostility,
discrimination
and
violence
as.
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Hello,
this
is
Ryan
and
I'm
happy
to
cover
those
as
we
have
the
slides
pulled
up.
I
serve
our
community
as
Community
engagement,
manager
and
I'm.
Thrilled
folks
are
here
this
evening
to
share
their
perspectives
and
and
their
thoughts
I
want
to
make
sure
that
everyone
knows
that
the
city
has
engaged
with
new
members
to
co-create
a
vision
for
productive,
meaningful
and
inclusive
Civic
conversations.
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All
American
testimonies
should
be
limited
to
matters
related
to
City
business.
No
participant
shall
make
threats
or
use
forms
of
intimidation
against
any
person.
Obscenity
is
racial,
epiphats
and
other
speech
and
behavior
that
disrupts
or
otherwise
impedes
the
ability
to
conduct
to
the
meaning
are
prohibited.
Participants
are
required
to
sign
up
using
the
name.
F
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G
How
are
you
guys
doing?
I
am
I
want
to
start
off
by
saying
I'm
really
humble
about
the
opportunity
to
speak.
City
council.
See
you
guys
in
Boulder
I
am
when
I
was
offered
the
opportunity
to
do
so.
It
was
at
the
last
moment,
I
read
the
email
and
it
was
about
something
I'm,
very
passionate
about
which
is
white
supremacy
and
how
it's
being
upheld
by
a
lack
of
acknowledgment
and
a
lack
of
accountability,
and
as
we
work
towards
accountability.
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A
little
bit
about
the
reason,
I'm
so
passionate
about
things
like
this
is
because
I'm,
a
black
man
I,
grew
up
in
Atlantic
Georgia
and
grew
up
in
poverty,
and
before
I
became
a
physician,
I
was
very
stereotypical,
and
so
the
criminal
justice
system,
I
I,
have
a
few
thoughts
about
it.
But
as
I
grew
when
I
learned
in
the
Dei
space,
I
knew
that
police
are
not
the
problem.
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G
The
systems
that
they
live
in
is
the
issue,
and
if
we
truly
want
to
uphold,
if
we
wanted
to
uphold
white
supremacy,
let's
keep
doing
things
the
way
they've
always
been
done,
but
the
way
to
address
those
is
to
address
the
systems
that
each
of
those
things
work
in,
and
today
I'm
going
to
be
talking
about
solely
about
criminal
justice
and
how
it
had
an
effect
on
my
life
negatively
at
first.
But
now
is
so
much
love,
because
I
know
that
individuals
have
a
job
to
do.
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If
we
know
about
the
history
of
policing,
it
was
to
catch
people
like
me.
It
wasn't
to
create
to
for
a
public
good
as
a
protect
and
serve
it
did
protect
and
serve
individuals.
That
did
not
again
look
like
me,
and
so
the
color
of
my
skin
has
been
weaponized
and
had
been
made
to
seem
as
though
it
is
the
problem.
Mr.
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However,
your
decision
is
a
much
bigger
one.
The
decision
you
are
actually
making
is
whether
you
will
increase
Community
involvement
in
police
oversight
and
ensure
that
the
that
historically
excluded
communities
have
a
voice
in
that
oversight.
Removal
of
Sweeney
Moran
will
be
a
continuing
exclusion
of
the
communities
that
the
police
oversight
panel
is
supposed
to
include
here
is
why
that
is
true.
Sweeney
Moran
was
recommended
by
El
Centro
Amistad,
the
NAACP
and
two
Pop
members
that
made
up
the
selection
committee
tasks
with
making
such
recommendation.
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When
concerns
about
bias
came
up,
you
sent
numerous
materials,
some
in
the
community
felt
were
concerning
evidence
prohibited
bias
to
them.
The
selection
committee
reviewed
the
materials
and
then
confirmed
the
entire
recommended
slate
of
potential
Pop
members.
Ultimately,
a
majority
of
you
approved
that
slate.
H
This
process
for
recommendation
and
approval
of
Pop
members
was
developed
with
the
intent
of
including
historically
excluded
communities
in
police
oversight.
A
vote
to
remove
Sweeney
Moran
would
negate
all
the
work
of
the
diverse
election
committee
members
members
and
would
ultimately
reverse
any
progress
in
achieving
Community
oversight
of
the
police.
The
naacp's
goals
in
recommending
pop
candidates
were
to
identify
candidates
who
possess
the
ability
to
assess
complaints,
offer
remedies
through
propositions
and
through
policy
and
training
recommendations
and
by
identifying
areas
of
concern
to
the
community.
H
Via
such
actions,
incidents
such
as
Zaid
Atkinson,
experienced
in
2019
could
be
avoided.
Do
the
right
thing
and
take
no
action
on
this
matter
tonight.
Do
otherwise,
and
you
will
send
the
message
that
you
do
not
value
the
lived
experiences
of
those
you
claim
to
wish
to
include
in
police
oversight.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Mr
O'connor.
I
Wow,
those
are
tough
acts
to
follow,
but
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak.
My
name
is
Samantha
weintraubleff
and
I
am
here
to
urge
Council
to
reject
the
removal
of
Lisa
sweetie
Moran
from
the
police
oversight
panel
as
I
understand
and
Darren
just
articulated.
The
aim
of
this
panel
is
to
increase
Community
involvement
in
police
oversight
and
again
to
ensure
historically
excluded
communities,
have
a
voice
in
that
oversight,
and
yet
because
Sweeney
Moran
expressed
some
negative
views
on
police
she's,
now
labeled
as
two
bias
to
sit
on
the
panel
I.
I
Think
that's
really
just
not
fair.
If
any
member
of
historically
marginalized
group
nominated
for
the
pop
is
required
to
have
no
negative
opinions
toward
police,
how
will
we
ever
cede
power
and
increase
actual
inclusion
of
black
and
brown
people
in
the
oversight
process?
The
mistreatment
of
these
communities
as
Courtney
was
articulating
by
police
Stars
centuries
ago
and
continues
to
this
day,
including
in
Boulder.
So
it's
of
course
understandable
that
many,
if
not
all,
would
have
at
least
some
negative
opinion
of
police,
but
they
should
not
exclude
them
from
participation
in
the
oversight
process.
I
It
shouldn't
be
about
someone's
previously
held
opinions
of
whether
they
can
be
a
critical
thinker
and
open-minded
when
forming
new
opinions
and
given
the
backing
of
NAACP
and
El
Centro
Amistad
I
have
faith
that
Sweeney
Moran
will
be
bringing
folks
into
dialogue
who
have
diverse
life.
Experiences
and
perspectives
is
critical
and
I
do
believe.
Police
should
have
to
interact
directly
with
representatives
from
groups.
They
have
most
often
harmed,
because
how
else
are
we
to
increase
understanding
and
Justice
in
our
society?
I
J
Hi
guys
Michelle
Rodriguez
AKA
Rodriguez
versus
Lola,
Thai,
federal
civil
lawsuit,
Chief
Harold,
there's
a
lot
to
be
said.
First,
first
off
I
want
to
read
from
when
I
I
went
to
court
with
this
lawsuit.
It
says
Court
calls
case,
attorneys,
David,
Goddard
and
Luis
Toro
for
defendants
who
have
been
dismissed
in
the
case.
J
In
her
appearances,
they
showed
up
in
person
for
intimidation
factors,
I
think
I'm,
not
sure
I
was
then
told
by
my
Pro
Se
advisor
that
why
were
they
there
and
I
really
couldn't
answer
that
and
then
last
week
in
the
park,
I
had
an
incident
a
couple
incidents
I
got
some
officers
behaving
good,
but
then
I
had
an
interaction
with
an
officer
Kessler
who
was
present
during
your
last
policing
of
the
police,
I
think
attempted
votes
or
something,
but
he
when
I
tried
to
address
him.
J
He
and
he
says
oh
you're,
Michelle,
Rodriguez
and
I
said
yeah
the
one
in
the
middle
of
the
lawsuit,
and
he
says
no
you're,
not
not
anymore
and
I've
got
them
on
video
saying
it
I
said:
did
you
really
say
that
and
he
was
standing
next
to
officer
Parker
who's?
The
known
officer,
who
testified
against
me
twice
in
front
of
two
six-person
juries:
one
ended
in
a
mistrial.
The
other
ended
in
a
guilty.
Finding
of
false
reporting
on
a
police
officer.
J
J
He
then
I
think
conferred
with
officer
Kessler
and
says:
did
you
did
you
confirm
that
lawsuit
and
he
got
him
out
of
the
park,
but
how
dare
they
function
and
flow
around
me
on
this
constant
intimidation,
I
mean
eventually
there's
going
to
be
a
day,
but
just
so
you
know,
I
did
my
peer
recovery
class
this
week,
tomorrow's
my
last
day
and
I
got
an
extension
to
be
able
to
handle
that
so
I
am
still
in
court.
Please,
chief.
K
C
Going
once-
and
she
appears
not
to
be
here-
we
will
move
on
to
Lupita
Jaime
and
we
will
be
providing
a
little
extra
time
as
interpretive
services
will
be
used.
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L
M
Hello
good
afternoon,
my
name
is
Lupita.
Jaime
I've
lived
in
Boulder
for
20
years,
I
work
with
Amistad
and
I'm
part
of
several
Community
groups,
and
several
parents
groups
in
My,
Children's
Schools
I've,
always
heard
how
the
city,
the
government,
the
different
departments,
want
to
build
trust
with
the
community
and
listen
to
our
voices.
But
there
are
still
spaces
such
as
this
one,
where
they're
doing
everything
possible
to
silence
us
and
end
up
invalidating
our
voices.
M
The
city
council
has
to
consider
the
effect
that
this
is
causing
and
how
our
community
feels
when
they
express
themselves.
Tell
us
what
message
are
you
sending
us
if
you
refuse
to
accept
the
recommendations
of
our
community
members,
our
community,
the
children
as
well
as
the
adults,
have
always
been
monitored
and
harassed
by
the
police.
We
clearly
know
what
bias
is
we
live
it
every
day.
It's
unfair
and
atrocious
that
the
guidelines
that
were
written
to
defend
the
rights
of
our
community
are
being
used
against
us.
M
We
don't
think
that
criticizing
the
police
because
of
their
action
should
be
a
cause
for
eliminating
someone
from
the
panel.
The
members
of
the
panel
were
chosen
because
they
demonstrated
that
they
have
the
highest
interest
in
the
well-being
of
our
community
and
that
they're
going
to
struggle
for
justice
and
equity.
M
Although
the
police
oversight
panel
was
not
created
specifically
to
improve
the
trust
that
the
community
has
in
the
police,
I
think
that
by
having
an
effective
Community
panel
to
supervise
the
police,
that
would
create
the
trust
in
the
community
for
the
police.
We
are
here
because
we
truly
want
our
community
to
feel
safe
around
the
police
and
that
they
have
trust
in
them.
I
am
here
because
I
want
our
children
to
grow
up
feeling
safe
around
the
police,
just
like
the
white-skinned
euro-american
children
do.
Thank
you.
N
N
We
continue
to
Champion
for
the
health
of
our
pollinators
and
our
planet
by
addressing
the
leading
cause,
one
of
the
leading
causes
of
pollinator
decline,
which
is
the
lack
of
biodiverse
habitat.
The
British
Nomo
May
movement,
has
done
a
wonderful
job
of
raising
awareness
about
the
food
desert
created
by
acres
and
Acres
of
monoculture.
Green
lawns,
I
read
a
recent
estimate
that
there
are
over
40
million
Acres
of
lawn
in
the
U.S.
N
This
is
40
million
acres
of
land
that
doesn't
provide
food
for
anything
often
requires
chemical
treatments
that
cause
further
environmental
harm
and
uses
a
tremendous
amount
of
water
for
its
upkeep.
Instead
of
halting
mowing
for
a
month.
We
want
to
encourage
people
to
shrink
their
lawns
and
create
more
healthy
habitats
to
support
the
more
than
560
different
species
of
native
bees
and
other
pollinators
in
Boulder
County.
N
N
We
want
to
change
the
mindset
on
having
the
Perfect
Lawn
to
a
landscape,
rich
with
native
plants,
trees
and
shrubs,
with
our
shrink
the
lawn
plant
for
pollinators
Proclamation.
We
hope
to
educate
people
about
the
many
ways
they
can
make:
a
positive
environmental
impact
and
Inspire
them
to
take
actions
that
will
provide
food
and
shelter
for
the
bees,
the
birds
for
all
insects
address
our
warming
climate
and
save
our
precious
water.
Thank
you
thank.
O
Hi,
it's
Michael.
O
This
proposed
action
can
only
be
viewed
as
a
blatant
attempt
to
circumvent
the
will
of
Boulder's
residence
who
voted
down
similar
occupancy
relaxations
with
their
defeat
of
bedrooms
or
for
people.
Initiative
in
a
recent
election
councils
should
take
notice
of
the
soon
to
be
decided
fate
of
SB
231
23
213,
which
includes
a
similar
action,
and
it
should
pay
particular
attention
to
the
fact
that
Boulder
was
surprisingly
one
of
the
few,
if
not
the
only
municipality
in
the
entire
state
that
publicly
supported
the
bill.
O
Passage
of
this
bill
would
eliminate
home
rule
in
Boulder
and
Empower
bureaucrats
in
Denver
to
make
land
use
decisions
for
our
city
I
submit.
There
is
no
correlation
between
building
more
and
reducing
housing
costs.
It's
never
worked.
Think
New,
York,
City,
Washington,
DC,
San,
Francisco,
to
name
a
few
cities,
building
more
AIDS
developers
and
landlords,
not
the
public.
Consider
the
infrastructure
constraints
of
unbridled
development
and
density,
one
approach
to
providing
affordable,
low
and
middle
income
housing
would
be
a
public
private
partnership
in
which
the
city
approves
housing.
O
C
Q
Hi,
my
name
is
Terry
bernchich
and
I'm
here
tonight
to
stop
ask
the
city
to
please
put
an
end
to
the
police
oversight
panel
Fiasco,
the
city
council's
primary
responsibility
is
to
create
laws
that
reflect
the
community's
priorities
and
values.
In
that
capacity
it
passed
the
ordinance
that
governs
the
formation
of
the
pop
when
a
complaint
was
filed,
alleging
that
the
selection
process
was
in
violation
of
the
law,
the
city
council
appointed
a
highly
qualified,
independent,
special
counsel
to
evaluate
the
merits
of
this
complaint.
Q
After
an
extensive
investigation,
he
agreed
that
the
law
had
been
violated
and
concluded
that
the
appropriate
remedy
would
be
to
remove
the
individual
in
question
and
yet
for
some
inexplicable
reason,
this
finding
is
being
discussed
as
if
the
facts
are
still
up
for
debate.
As
our
elected
officials,
you
took
an
oath
of
office
to
uphold
the
laws
of
our
city.
If
the
city
council
can
abide
by
its
own
rules,
how
can
you
expect
the
community
to
do
so?
The
police
oversight
panel
has
a
very
important
role
to
play
in
our
community.
Q
There's
enormous
value
in
continuously
examining
and
optimizing
our
policing
practices
with
a
specific
focus
on
equity
and
integrity,
but
oversight
means
working
within
the
existing
systems
to
make
them
better.
It
doesn't
mean
abolishing
them
all
together.
Having
a
stated
abolitionist
on
this
panel
is
entirely
at
odds
with
the
mission
of
the
pop
and
diminishes
its
credibility
as
an
objective
tool
for
police
reform.
Some
council
members
have
argued
that
an
abolitionist
perspective
does
not
constitute
perceived
bias,
but
the
special
counsel
engaged
specifically
to
address
this
question
concluded.
Otherwise.
Q
But
don't
put
this
controversial
position
on
the
backs
of
an
all-volunteer,
unelected
group
of
community
members
that
just
want
to
see
positive
reforms
and
policing
it's
unfair
to
them
and
has
made
it
virtually
impossible
for
the
pop
to
succeed
in
its
current
state.
Please
demonstrate
straight
to
the
voters
that
you
support
the
rule
of
law
by
by
following,
through
on
the
recommendations
of
the
special
counsel.
Thank.
R
Yeah
hello,
my
name
is
Liz
Jansen
I'd
like
to
thank
those
who
collaborated
with
me
on
this
declaration.
I'll
be
reading
in
a
second
Deborah
Foy
and
the
bee
chicas
rela
Abernathy
and
cool
Boulder
and
Dr
Adrian
Carper,
and
the
pollinator
advisory
committee
and
Taylor
Ryman
for
helping
us
Shepherd
this
through
shrinkle
lawn
plant
for
pollinators
pollination
pollinators
play
Vital
roles
in
our
ecosystems.
R
In
addition
to
honeybees,
Boulder
County
has
over
562
species
of
wild
bees,
plus
thousands
of
species
of
moths,
butterflies
and
other
insect
pollinators
that
require
diverse
and
abundant
floral
resources.
A
primary
cause
of
pollinator
decline
is
the
decreasing
availability
of
biodiverse
habitat
due
to
the
simplified
Urban
Landscapes,
such
as
turf
grass,
Lawns
monoculture,
Lawns
lack
floral
resources
for
pollinators
require
valuable,
limited
resources,
Like
Water
for
support
and
often
use
fertilizers
and
herbicides
that
can
cause
further
decline
in
pollinator
species.
R
Alternatives
to
turf
grass
include
trees,
shrubs
and
flowers
which
create
a
more
diverse
landscape
and
provide
habitat
for
pollinators
birds
and
other
Wildlife
planting
native
wildflowers.
That
flower
in
Spring
can
also
provide
important
nectar
and
pollen
for
pollinators
emerging
from
winter.
These
turf
grass
Alternatives
reduce
the
noise
and
pollution
associated
with
maintaining
Lawns,
while
creating
a
more
resilient
landscape
using
less
water,
sequestering
CO2
and
helping
to
lessen
the
effects
of
our
warming
climate.
R
S
Hi
everyone,
my
name,
is
Trina
Holland.
Thank
you
for
the
chance
to
speak
tonight,
I'll,
be
speaking
regarding
the
police
oversight
panel
and
the
special
counsel's
investigation,
and
recommendation
that
panel
member
Lisa,
Sweeney
Moran
resign
or
be
removed
by
city
council
I
urge
city
council
to
not
remove
Lisa
sweetie
mirand.
S
A
stated
intent
of
the
panel
is
to
ensure
that
historically
excluded
communities
have
a
voice
in
police
oversight.
However,
to
follow
the
recommendations
of
the
special
counsel
would
Elevate
his
perspective
on
bias
and
the
fitness
of
panel
members
over
that
of
the
selection
committee,
which
was
intended
to
represent
the
perspectives
of
those
very
communities
and
included
representative
representatives
of
the
NAACP
Boulder
County,
El,
Centro,
instad
and
members
of
the
panel.
S
In
addition,
the
special
counsel's
investigation
failed
to
interview
selection
committee
members
yet
claimed
that
they
failed
to
sufficiently
vet
the
panel
candidates.
This
represents
a
critical
Gap
in
the
investigation
that
resulted
in
the
removal
recommendation
to
remove
Lisa
Sweeney
Moran
would
undermine
confidence
in
the
city's
support
for
the
panel
and
the
intent
to
include
historically
excluded
communities,
as
well
as
demonstrate
disregard
for
the
selection
committee.
S
F
P
T
U
Greetings:
Council
I've
come
before
Council
I
think
at
least
four
or
five
times
since
the
beginning
of
this
process
to
speak
for
police
oversight
and
the
necessity
for
it.
I've
served
on
the
selection
committee.
I
find
it
outrageous
that
we
were
not
interviewed
and
read
the
special
counsel's
reasonings
for
that.
But
I
I
fail
to
understand
his
logic.
U
I
would
really
urge
council
members
to
search
their
conscience
about
what
bias
means
and
what
bias
means
in
the
context
of
How
It
Was
Written
in
the
ordinance
it
it
appears
to
be
being
misused
as
a
weapon
who
are
trying
to
remove
someone
who
is
has
been
outspoken
to
the
community
about
policing
issues.
As
our
first
Speaker
mentioned,
the
the
police
were
not
formed
for
black
and
brown
people.
U
The
police
were
formed
for
wealthy
white
slave
holders,
and
so
it
is
very
unnerving
and
not
a
very
good
look
to
have
city
council
try
and
dominate
the
process.
Try
and
heavy-handedly
put
their
point
of
view
or
their
agenda
on
the
community.
It
does
not
send
a
good
message:
I
am
a
parent
I
have
raised
six
children
of
my
own
in
Boulder,
County
I
want
my
children
to
be
safe.
Of
course,
I
understand
people's
concerns
that
they
want
the
police
to
remain
in
power
and
they
makes
them
feel
safe.
U
V
Good
evening,
Council
I
speak
tonight
in
favor
of
removing
the
flawed
panelist
Lisa
Sweeney
Moran
from
the
police
oversight
panel.
Considering
the
vast
evidence
showing
her
abolitionist
anti-police
bias,
it
would
be
absurd
to
pretend
otherwise,
if
you
don't
remove
her,
are
you
going
to
pay
back
to
Boulder
citizens
all
the
money
you
wasted
on
the
investigation?
Only
to
ignore
it's
more
it's
more
than
clear
findings.
V
The
investigating
attorney
clay
Douglas
answered
City
council's
questions
in
written
form,
for
example,
number
one.
Why
were
no
selection
committee
members
interviewed
answer
quote
requesting
the
selection
committee
to
explain
the
steps
it
took
in
writing
is
in
violation
of
the
police
oversight
code.
V
V
Despite
the
outrage
of
some
speakers
this
evening,
no
selection
committee
members
were
interviewed
because
that
wasn't
requested
and
it
would
be
against
the
law
and
on
and
on
and
on
with
the
questions
and
answers
beyond
the
scope
of
the
investigation.
That
is
extraneous
to
the
investigation
not
asked
to
investigate
that
specifically
prohibited
from
investigating
that
I
urge
you
to
consider
how
violating
the
Public's
Trust
on
an
obviously
flawed
panelist
is
going
to
work
for
you.
It
will
definitely
lessen
City
council's
credibility
with
the
community.
V
C
All
right,
if
she
does
show
up,
we
can
enter
to
the
back
end
of
the
of
the
speaker
list.
Lynn
Siegel
is
next.
F
Hello
Lynn:
this
is
Ryan.
The
timer
is
displayed
in
Zoom,
it's
under
Lisa
Cooper's
frame,
as
I
mentioned
in
Q.
A
you
may
need
to
to
scroll
use
the
arrow
to
look
at
additional
frames,
depending
on
your
screen.
X
C
X
X
C
I've
already
offered
to
give
you
interim
updates.
F
And
if
I
may
make
a
recommendation,
this
is
Ryan.
If
you
go
to
your
view,
you
can
adjust
to
the
gallery
view
I
see
gallery
on
my
end,
and
that
may
be
something
that
you
can
adjust
on
your
end
to
see
gallery
to
see.
X
The
number
of
people
been
there
done
that
I
do
zooms
all
day
long
I
don't
have
this
problem
with
anyone
else,
but
the
city
of
Boulder,
nothing,
not
a
good
suggestion.
Ryan
it
doesn't
work.
There
is
no
gallery
view
to
see
any
timer,
so
we'll
have
an
argument
about
the
timer
just
like
with
Lisa
Sweeney
Moran
we'll
have
an
argument
about
bias
in
the
community,
rather
than
actually
doing
the
people's
work.
For
the
last
two
years.
X
Y
Z
Hi,
can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
greeting
city,
council
and
staff
I'm
here
to
ask
that
you
make
Public
Safety
your
top
priority
as
a
long-term
resident
and
business
owner
here?
It
is
beyond
upsetting
to
see
what
is
happening
to
our
community,
see
it.
This
is
largely
due
to
the
inadequate
enforcement
of
our
laws.
Z
Z
I'm
asking
that
you
please
prioritize
the
discussion
of
Public
Safety
with
our
Municipal
Court,
Boulder,
Police,
Department
and
other
co-responders
now,
and
supporting
Lisa
Sweeney
Moran
on
the
police
oversight
panel
would
be
an
outrageous
step
in
the
wrong
direction
right
now,
you
need
to
better
support
our
Police
Department
rather
than
demoralize
them.
Thank
you.
AA
Hi
there
please
affirm
the
recommendations
of
our
police
oversight
panel
and
show
that
you
stand
with
the
NAACP
and
El
Centro
Amistad
police
oversight
is
important
and
critical
voices
belong
on
the
panel
I
think
the
community
owes
Lisa
and
the
panel
an
apology
for
putting
them
through
this
unnecessary
step
in
the
process.
Thanks
very
much.
C
AB
Thanks,
my
name
is
Katie
I'm
glad
to
close
it
out
today,
because
I
want
to
talk
a
bit
of
a
global
and
take
a
global
look
at
things.
We're
spending
time
tonight
deciding
whether
to
follow
the
advice
of
the
groups.
We've
appointed
to
advise
us
and
they've
been
clear
about
what
they
advise.
They've
done,
this
labor
for
free
and
they
followed
the
guidelines
that
we
gave
them.
I
know
a
complaint
was
made
and
there's
a
process
you
all
have
to
go
through.
AB
However,
this
is
a
time
to
say:
hey
we've
got
real
issues
to
tackle,
and
this
is
not
one.
This
one
could
lead
to
a
massive
setback
in
trust
that
will
take
years
to
fix
White
Citizens.
Do
who
do
not
acknowledge
or
experience
discrimination
by
City
run
institutions
don't
get
Veto
power.
This
is
way
bigger
than
one
person
named
Lisa.
This
is
a
flex,
don't
let
them
use
your
power
to
set
us
all
back
on
this
work.
AB
A
few
weeks
ago,
someone
speaking
tonight
said
here
that
they
didn't
want
the
NAACP
to
participate
in
any
City
issues.
Just
think
about
that.
That
is
the
flex.
Meanwhile,
the
work
of
this
panel
is
under
threat
of
delay.
600
families
a
week
are
going
to
effa
homeless.
Kids
are
a
growing
demographic,
we're
fighting
to
keep
limiting
people's
housing
options
through
occupancy
rules
at
the
state
level
and
we're
sidelining
experts.
Who've
been
willing
to
give
us
advice
on
all
of
this
in
favor
of
the
comfort
of
a
single
overpowering
demographic.
AB
AC
Planning
to
have
a
discussion
on
the
police
oversight
panel
later
so
I
will
not
comment
on
that,
but
I
will
say
that
I
will
follow
up
on
Ms
Rodriguez's
recent
interactions
with
PD
and
appreciate
everyone
for
their
comments
tonight.
Thank.
AD
You
you
know,
we
heard
one
of
the
speakers
tonight
just
say
that
you
know
we're
not
enforcing
our
laws.
There
was
I,
think
a
letter
to
the
editor
and
the
Daily
Camera
today
or
yesterday.
AD
That
kind
of
talked
about
how
we're
not
enforcing
the
camping
ban
and
I
was
just
wondering
if
you,
if
you
could
speak
to
that
or
maybe
city
manager,
I,
don't
know
if
that's
a
better
question
for
you,
but
sorry
I
saw
saw
folks
in
the
audience
and
spoke
directly
to
them,
but
I,
just
I
kind
of
keep
hearing
this
from
some
of
the
community
that
we're
not
enforcing
the
laws
that
we
have,
and
so
I
was
just
wondering
if
you
could
speak
to
that.
Absolutely.
W
Good
evening
Council
mayor
Pro,
tem,
Steve,
Redford,
Deputy,
police,
chief
I,
didn't
read
the
article
that
you
referenced
council
member,
but
we
are
enforcing
the
laws
that
we
have
on
the
books.
In
fact,
we
we
have
not
ceased
enforcing
any
of
the
ordinances
that
are
on
the
books.
Obviously
we're
one
part
of
the
criminal
justice
system
and
and
we
can
only
control
what
we
can-
control
and
and
I
know.
You
know
we
hear
frustrations
about
other
parts.
Just
like
we
hear
frustrations
with
our
part.
W
So
you
know,
I
will
just
obviously
point
that
out
that
we're
just
one
spoke
in
that
wheel,
but
we
are,
we
have
there
have
been
no
directives
to
our
Personnel
to
not
enforce
any
particular
ordinance
or
loss
and
obviously
any
law.
That's
on
the
books,
that's
valid,
that
is
created
by
our
legislature
or
elected
officials.
We
will
enforce
until
things
change,
so
enforcement
continues.
You
know
summer
months
do
get
busier
as
the
weather
warms
up.
W
We
have
more
911
calls
for
service,
and
so
we
may
not
have
the
free
time
that
we
have
other
times
and
officers
end
up.
You
know
just
running
call
to
call
to
call
some
nights
and
so
there's
not
a
lot
of
free
time
to
go
and
proactively
enforce
things.
But
we
see
our.
You
know
our
run
sheets
every
night
and
day
of
all
of
our
activities,
and
we
are
still
writing
summonses
and
making
arrests
as
appropriate.
C
So
remember
any
other
comments
from
Council
all
right.
We
now
move
on
to
our
consent
agenda
I'd
like
to
float
a
an
idea,
which
is
that
we
break
this
into
two
pieces:
the
consent
agenda
items
a
through
D
and
deal
with
that
and
then
move
on
to
item
e,
which
is
going
to
agenda.
Obviously
more
comments.
D
I
moved
consent,
items
3A
through
d.
B
B
C
C
B
C
Next,
we
move
on
to
item
e
concerning
the
findings
of
fact,
the
conclusion
of
law
from
the
special
counsel
and
I
think
I
just
want
to
throw
in
one
quick
admonition,
as
we
have
essentially
been
put
on
notice
that
we
were
in
a
pre-litigation
status
with
respect
to
this
item,
I
I
just
urge
my
colleagues
to
be
cautious
and
careful
in
what
they
say
for
that
very
purpose
assume
we
have
many
comments.
K
AD
AB
K
I
believe
we
should
reaffirm
our
appointment
of
Lisa
Sweeney
Moran
to
the
police
oversight
panel,
despite
the
recommendations
of
special
counsel
as
Ariel
amaru,
the
pan,
the
panel's
former
co-chair
said
this
situation
is
layered
and
nuanced.
It
demands
precise
attention
to
detail
and
needs
to
be
treated
with
care.
K
K
As
our
human
relations
commission
so
eloquently
stated,
it
is
a
mistake
to
conflate
criticism
of
law
enforcement
with
bias
against
the
police.
Everyone
has
biases
and
acknowledging
our
biases
is
important
for
accountability
and
working
towards
Justice
Miss
Sweeney
Moran
has
expressed
opinions
about
policing
as
an
institution
and
has
been
vocal
about
her
concern
over
past
instances
of
police
violence.
K
K
Because
of
this
considerable
responsibility,
history
of
discrimination
and
after
extensive
deliberation,
Boulder,
specifically
empowered
non-profit
organizations
representing
historically
excluded
groups
to
review
and
recommend
nominees.
What
men?
What
message
would
we
be
sending
our
community
groups
if
we
reject
the
recommendations
from
the
very
groups
we
solicited
feedback
and
input
from?
K
Finally,
singling
out
one
individual
is
not
a
reasonable
solution
to
addressing
the
appointment
process.
This
sets
a
dangerous
precedent,
especially
when,
according
to
their
peers,
this
panel
member
has
not
done
anything
during
their
service
to
Warrant
their
removal.
We
must
consider
the
chilling
effects
on
free
speech
of
any
potential
actions.
K
These
are
not
just
my
concerns,
but
when
chatting
with
a
panel
member
yesterday,
I
was
asked
if
Lisa
is
removed.
Who
will
be
next?
Will
it
be
me
I
question
not
only
who
will
be
left
to
speak,
but
what
they
will
feel
comfortable
saying
if
we
follow
special
counsel's
recommendations,
because
of
this
I
urge
my
colleagues
to
consider
the
concerns
raised
about
special
counsel's
fine
findings
and
appoint
Sweeney
reappoint
Sweeney
Moran
to
the
police
oversight
panel.
K
AD
AD
AD
AD
AD
AD
AD
To
me,
this
is
a
decision
about
trust.
Do
I
trust
the
communities
who
have
experiences
I
do
not
have
to
know
what
they
need
better
than
I
do
and
do
I
trust
the
members
of
the
police
oversight
panel
to
address
issues
and
behaviors
that
may
impact
their
work.
If
those
issues
arise,
I
do
and
I
will
vote
from
this
place
of
trust
as
Community
leaders.
We
should
also
be
striving
to
build
trust
with
communities
that
deal
with
systemic
oppression.
AD
Otherwise
we're
wasting
everyone's
time
and
making
people
feel
dismissed,
tokenized
and
vulnerable
I
hope
we
can
do
better
as
a
community
moving
forward
and
make
sure
the
discussions
around
issues
of
race,
Center
the
perspectives
and
voices
of
bipoc
communities,
rather
than
the
perspectives
and
voices
of
non-bipot
communities.
Thank
you.
K
B
AG
AG
C
AH
Thanks
I
first
want
to
thank
everyone
who
took
the
time
to
speak
with
me
on
this
issue.
I'm
not
going
to
describe
conversations
because
I.
AH
Well,
on
the
record,
saying
I
think
Lisa
is
fit
to
serve
and
I
voted
to
appoint
her
and
nothing
in
the
special
counsel's
report
changes
my
mind,
but
the
special
counsel's
determination
is
not
appealable
under
our
current
processes
and
is
finding
concluded
that
Lisa
should
resign
or
be
removed.
AH
To
be
honest,
removing
Lisa
feels
like
a
slap
in
the
face
to
the
people
who
vetted
and
nominated
her
and
Talisa
herself,
who
I
am
confident
is
doing
good
work
and
I
certainly
don't
want
to
set
the
work
of
the
pop
back
and
I.
Don't
want
to
ignore
voices
of
folks
most
vulnerable
to
police
abuse
of
of
discretion
and
violence.
AH
It
would
be
a
vastly
easier
path
for
me
personally
to
say:
let's
take
no
action
and
to
have
voted
in
the
last
motion,
but
I
I
can't
do
that,
because
I
see
a
real
potential
danger
in
that
path.
In
light
of
the
special
counsel's
findings,
I
don't
see
how
Lisa
can
stay
on
the
panel
without
threatening
the
legal
sustainability
of
all
of
her
panel's
findings.
AH
That
does
not
apply
to
other
panelists
there's
no
similar
finding
as
to
anyone
else,
but
I
think
if
Lisa
stays
on
every
panel
that
she
is
on
that
recommends,
discipline
and
if
the
chief
agrees
and
disciplines
will
be
arbitrated
and
have
pretty
strong
evidence
for
reversal
as
an
attorney
if
I
represented
an
officer
who
is
recommended
for
discipline
on
a
panel
where
Lisa
was
one
of
the
three
panelists
participating.
I
would
argue.
AH
AH
We
could
roll
the
dice
and
see
if
I'm,
right
and
and
see
the
Ripple
effects
of
how
the
body's
decisions
would
play
out,
and
we
could
see
if
panels
that
she
weighs
in
on,
were
they
recommend,
discipline
and
where
disciplines
make
it
meet
it
out,
see
if
they
get
successfully
appealed
and
see.
If
that
results
in
officers
who
the
city
wants
to
discipline,
get
their
discipline
reversed,
but
I
think
that's
really
dangerous
to
roll
the
dice.
Some
officers
involve
nationally
and
some
of
the
worst
policing
atrocities
successfully
mitigated
attempted
discipline.
AH
That
part
is
not
theoretical.
It
happens.
It's
dangerous
and
it's
antithetical
to
the
very
core
of
Pop's
mission
to
have
a
police
police
oversight
piano
where
a
panelist
is
on
record,
as
recommended
for
removal
and
every
panel
that
she's
on
is
potentially
subject
to
a
slam.
Dunk
reversal,
I,
don't
see
how
that
moves
us
forward
on
either
racial
Justice
or
police
oversight,
which
I
I
believe
strongly
in
what
will
move
us
forward
is
reverse,
is
revising
the
police
oversight
ordinance
so
I'm
voting
to
remove
but
want
to
be
clear,
I'm,
not
affirming
any
findings.
AH
I
just
don't
have
an
Avenue
to
erase
those
findings
from
the
record,
and
given
this
current
structure,
however,
disappointed
I
am
in
it
with
it.
I
see
it
as
a
danger
to
the
viability
of
the
police
oversight
panel.
If
Lisa
stays
on
and
that's
I
feel
the
best
decision.
I
can
make
not
to
be
a
broken
record,
but
we
need
to
change
the
ordinance
ASAP.
We
need
to
ensure
that
we
set
up
our
panel
for
success
for
a
truly
wide
range
of
voices
being
invited
to
and
feeling
safe
at
the
table.
AG
AG
AG
I
support
the
panel's
work
wholeheartedly,
and
it
is
critically
important
that
they
have
the
Clean
Slate
from
which
to
do
the
work
and
have
that
work,
be
trusted
and
validated
and
I'm
just
really
concerned
that
if
we
have
an
independent
Viewpoint
that
says
she
should
be
removed
or
have
resigned
that
that
undercuts
the
very
work
of
that
panel.
It
is
about
the
work
of
this
panel
that
matters
the
most
and
I
think
it's
critical
that
we
make
sure
that
we
maintain
the
sanctity
of
that.
E
It's
been
a
really
long,
six
months
and
really
stressful
and
difficult
for
everybody
involved,
but
wanting
to
move
on
I
just
want
to
say
that
we
have
available
some
very
qualified
alternates,
including
Arlette
Barlow,
a
highly
qualified
woman
of
color,
who
I
know
all
of
them.
All
of
the
alternates
would
do
a
great
job
and
would
represent
the
community.
Well,
so
I
hope
that
we
could
go
on
and
the
work
of
the
police
oversight
panel
can
continue
to
do
its
great
work.
D
K
C
C
D
Yeah
I
like
to
call
this
up:
do
you
want
to
make
a
motion
to
call
it
up
and
see
if
there's
enough
votes?
Yes,
okay,
I,
move
that
we
call
up
item
4A,
The,
Landmark
alteration
certificate
with
respect
to
the
nurse's
dormitory.
Second,.
D
No
I
think
this
is
a
pretty
critical
consideration
and
I
think
the
community
deserves
to
be
heard
on
on
this.
One
I
know:
there's
a
lot
of
discussion
around
this
particular
property
a
few
years
ago
and
I
think
we
should
open
it
up
to
a
public
hearing.
Let
the
community
speak
about
this
and
hear
from
staff,
so
I'd
like
to
to
have
a
hearing
on
this
one.
C
I
believe,
okay
may
I
see
a
show
of
hands
to
call
up
the
certificate
application.
C
B
All
right
next,
we
have
item
five
on
the
agenda,
which
is
our
public
hearing
item
5A.
That
is
the
second
reading
and
consideration
of
a
motion
to
adopt
ordinance,
8571
amending
section,
4-20-18
rental
license
fee
Title,
IX
land
use
code
and
title
10
structures,
BRC
1981,
to
update
the
regulations
for
accessory
dwelling
units
and
setting
forth
related
details.
AI
Of
plan,
thank
you
good
evening,
council
members.
We
are
very
happy
to
bring
this
item
to
you
this
evening.
This
is,
as
you
know,
one
of
your
Council
priorities
from
last
year
and
and
coming
into
this
year.
We
have
really
represented
a
robust
discussion
over
many
years
in
many
different
formats
and,
of
course,
you've
seen
this
several
times
in
study
session,
as
well
as
first
reading
leading
up
to
this
second
reading,
I
think
it's
important
to
acknowledge
the
wide
range
of
communication.
AI
AJ
So,
as
you
know,
we've
talked
with
you
all
about
this
at
several
study
sessions
already,
but
for
those
who
may
not
be
as
familiar
with
accessory
dwelling
units
or
adus.
Just
a
brief
introductory
slide.
These
Graphics
show
all
the
different
ways
that
we
can
have
adus
and
Boulder.
So
we
have
both
attached.
Adus
and
detached
adus
attached
could
be
like
an
attic
apartment
or
basement
or
an
addition,
and
a
detached
Adu
is
something
that's
in
a
separate
structure,
but
essentially
an
Adu
is
a
small
residence.
AJ
That's
sharing
a
lot
with
a
larger
main
house
in
Boulder.
The
Adu
has
to
be
on
a
lot
with
a
single
family
home
and
the
lot
must
be
owner
occupied,
so
the
property
owner
has
to
live
either
in
the
main
house
or
in
the
Adu
itself,
but
an
Adu
is
always
an
independent
and
self-contained
living
space,
so
it
has
a
kitchen
or
bathroom.
AJ
As
you
know,
we've
worked
on
the
scope
of
the
Adu
update
project
with
you
over
the
last
several
months,
and
this
was
initiated
as
one
of
the
work
program
priorities
for
2022
and
2023,
with
the
express
objective
of
increasing
the
allowance
of
adus
in
the
community,
as
we
worked
through
the
scope
that
led
to
four
main
points
or
main
topics
that
are
part
of
the
scope
of
this
project.
So
the
first
is
eliminating
the
Adu
saturation
limit.
AJ
I
mentioned
we've
been.
We've
discussed
this
with
you
at
two
study
sessions
in
November
and
January
back
in
January,
we
discussed
the
saturation
limits
where
Council
supported
elimination
of
the
saturation
limit,
as
well
as
supported,
increasing
the
size
limits,
and
then
we
talked
through
many
of
the
code,
clarification
and
process
improvements
with
support
from
Council
for
those
as
well.
So
now
we're
coming
forward
with
the
actual
ordinance,
putting
pen
to
paper
to
the
actual
ordinance
and
so
I'll
go
through
that
in
this
presentation
today.
AJ
We've
talked
before
in
the
study
sessions
about
the
public
engagement
plan
for
this
project,
with
the
consult
level
of
Engagement.
Being
the
focus
for
this,
so
we've
been
doing
a
number
of
different
public
engagement
strategies
and
opportunities
over
the
last
several
months,
but
we've
also
relied
on
the
significant
public
engagement
that
was
done
at
the
last
major
update
of
the
ad
regulations
which
were
adopted
in
2018
and
so
there's
a
significant
number
of
touch
points.
AJ
Hundreds
of
touch
points
of
Engagement
from
that
point
that
were
also
really
relevant
to
the
work
that
we
were
still
doing.
So
we
asked
people
about
saturation
limits
and
size
limits
at
that
time.
So
we
did
use
that
engagement
as
well
to
inform
these
changes
and
there's
a
summary
of
all
of
that
engagement
in
your
packet
that
you
would
have
gotten
tonight
as
well.
AJ
I
would
say:
they're,
fairly
evenly
split
between
support
for
changes
and
even
people
expressing
a
desire
that
the
changes
would
go
even
further,
as
well
as
some
concerns
about
adus,
and
these
are
generally
centered
around
rental,
housing
issues,
parking
density
and
issues
of
affordability.
For
the
adus
I
mentioned
that
we
had
a
public
meeting,
a
community
conversation
back
in
February,
which
was
called
planning
for
affordable
housing.
That's
because
we
have
a
number
of
different
housing
related
code
changes,
as
you
know,
taking
place
right
now,
so
we
were
discussing
all
of
those.
It
was
about
25.
AJ
Representatives
of
neighborhood
organizations,
the
university
other
advocacy
groups
and
we
came
together
and
really
talked
about
the
issues
and
opportunities
related
to
all
of
these
housing
code
updates,
including
the
Adu
changes
there.
We
heard
support
for
the
proposal
again
for
the
Adu
changes
and
some
desire
to
go
further,
as
well
as
concerns
about
adu's,
potentially
not
being
used
as
rental
housing
or
the
affordable,
the
affordability
levels
of
adus.
AJ
They
also
expressed
a
number
of
programmatic
suggestions
to
ensure
that
the
benefits
are
more
widespread
for
homeowners,
with
adus
I
noted
that
we
went
to
housing,
Advisory,
Board
and
planning
board
for
public
hearing.
Both
boards
unanimously
recommended
approval
of
the
ordinance
that's
before
you
tonight,
so
that
was
back
in
March
and
April
and
then
I
know.
AJ
So
this
included
looking
at
all
the
quantitative
data
talking
to
having
a
survey
of
Adu
owners
talking
to
people
that
had
withdrawn
an
Adu
application
as
well
as
going
through
all
of
our
Inquirer
Boulder
Tickets
customer
service.
Things
to
try
to
understand
the
main
questions.
People
have
about
adus.
AJ
So
you
might
remember
this
chart,
so
this
shows
all
the
number
of
adus
that
have
been
approved
since
the
Adu
regulations
were
put
into
place
in
Boulder
in
1983.
So
you
can
see
after
the
most
recent
changes
were
adopted
in
2018,
we
had
a
significant
jump
in
adus
and
it
was
really
that
time
between
2019
and
present
that
we
were
studying
in
that
evaluation.
AJ
I
also
mentioned
that
we
did
a
survey
of
the
Adu
owners
where
we
got
heard
from
almost
half
of
them,
and
we
talked
about
those
highlights
at
the
study
session
and
then
we've
also
talked
about
the
comparable
City
research
that
went
into
the
evaluation.
So
we
looked
at
34
different
cities
around
the
country
that
also
have
accessory
dwelling
unit
regulations
that
are
comparable
to
Boulder.
AJ
In
some
way,
whether
it's
also
being
a
University
City,
a
similar
population
size,
similar
population
density-
things
like
that
and
some
of
the
most
relevant
takeaways
for
what's
before
you
tonight
in
the
ordinance,
is
that
none
of
the
cities
that
we
looked
at
these
comparable
cities
have
a
saturation
limit
for
adus.
We
did
some
further
digging.
We
found
one
town
in
Connecticut
that
does
have
a
similar
saturation
limit,
but
that's
that's
all
we
could
find
around
the
country
in
regards
to
size
limits.
AJ
Boulder's
maximum
size
right
now
of
detached
adus
is
smaller
than
most
other
cities
that
we
looked
at.
Although
many
cities
in
Colorado
tend
to
be
a
little
bit
on
the
smaller
side,
more
typically
adus
are
allowed
to
be
about
800
square
feet
and
then
there's
a
number
of
other
highlights
and
summaries
in
your
packet
as
well
related
to
those
comparable
cities,
all
right
so
getting
to
the
focus
areas.
AJ
So
first
is
the
saturation
limit.
I
know
we
talked
about
this
in
detail
at
this
study
session,
but
right
now,
Boulder
has
a
saturation
limit
and
it
only
applies
in
the
rl1
and
rl2
Zoning
districts.
So
we
allow
adus
in
several
other
zoning
districts
without
a
saturation
limit,
but
in
rl1
and
rl2
there
are
there's
a
saturation
limit
that
limits
adus
to
only
20
percent
of
a
particular
neighborhood
area,
which
is
a
300
foot
radius.
So
this
graphic
very
much
oversimplifies
it.
AJ
But
if
there
were
10
properties
within
300
feet,
only
two
of
those
properties
could
have
an
accessory
dwelling
unit.
There
is
some
Nuance
in
the
code
that
also
includes
non-conforming,
duplexes
and
co-ops,
and
things
like
that,
but
in
the
simplest
form,
20
of
properties
within
that
300
foot
radius
can
have
a
saturation
limit.
That
means,
if
you're
the
third
property,
you
have
no
way
to
develop
an
Adu.
So
if
the
area
is
saturated
at
20,
there
is
no
option
for
another
property
owner
within
that
area.
AJ
To
pursue
an
Adu,
the
saturation
limit
has
been
in
place
since
Boulder's.
First
adoption
of
Adu
regulations
in
1983,
understandably
at
the
time
accessory
dwelling
units
had
been
well.
They
were
they
were
allowed
historically,
but
with
the
onset
of
single-family
zoning,
they
were
made
illegal
in
most
of
the
country.
For
many
decades,
Boulder
was
on
the
Forefront
of
early
cities
that
re-legalized
adus
and
so
in
the
early
1980s.
AJ
Understandably,
there
were
concerns
about
what
impact
the
adus
might
have
on
single-family
neighborhoods
fast
forward
40
years,
it's
now
been
40
Years
of
having
Adu
regulations
in
Boulder
we
have
nearly
500
adus.
We
have
a
much
better
understanding
of
the
impact
of
adus,
as
well
as
we've
evolved
significantly
with
the
rest
of
our
land
use
code
and
different
zoning
standards
that
are
able
to
address
and
mitigate
those
impacts.
AJ
I
mentioned
also
that,
as
part
of
that
evaluation,
we
looked
at
our
inquire
Boulder
tickets,
which
is
our
customer
service
portal.
Where
people
write
in
and
ask
zoning
questions
or
any
type
of
question,
really
we
found
that
saturation
limits
are
the
number
one
question
that's
asked
related
to
adus.
It's
really
common
that
people
are
very
confused,
don't
understand
the
saturation
limit.
We
really
found
through
the
evaluation
that
the
saturation
limit
continues
to
be
both
a
real
and
perceived
barrier
to
adus
in
Boulder.
AJ
One
of
these,
these
are
all
verbatim
quotes
from
some
of
those
inquire,
Boulder
tickets,
but
just
one
that's
really
representative.
We
would
like
to
consider
putting
an
Adu
over
the
garage
of
our
home.
We
need
to
confirm
that
the
location
is
not
saturated.
First.
How
do
we
do
that
without
submitting
an
application
and
the
fee
and
everything?
So
it's
not
something
that
people
can
look
up
themselves.
They
can't
find
out
if
their
neighborhood's
saturated
already
and
also
uniquely,
unlike
pretty
much
any
other
zoning
standard,
the
saturation
limit
changes
over
time.
AJ
So
you
might
write
into
the
city
in
August
and
ask:
is
my
neighborhood
saturated
and
we
say
no,
it's
fine.
You
could
move
forward
with
an
application,
but
if
two
of
your
neighbors
apply
for
an
Adu
in
September
and
you
try
to
apply
in
October
you're
no
longer
able
to
have
an
Adu,
so
it
kind
of
works
in
a
way
that
no
other
zoning
standards
work.
So
it's
proving
to
continue
to
be
a
barrier
for
adus
and
that's
why
it's
one
of
the
the
main
focuses
of
this
ordinance
tonight.
AJ
I
mentioned
that
other
cities
do
not
have
saturation
limits.
We
were
only
able
to
find
one
in
the
country,
one
small
town
that
uses
the
same
kind
of
saturation
limit.
Most
other
cities
rely
on
their
existing
zoning
standards,
and
this
graphic
is
intended
to
look
as
complicated
as
our
code
really
is.
There
are
a
number
of
different
regulations
that
impact
the
design
and
location
of
adus.
So
that
can
be
things
like
maximum
height
of
the
principal
structure.
It
can
be
setbacks.
We
have
a
bulk
plane
requirement.
AJ
We
have
the
maximum
length
of
a
wall
requirement
as
well
as
things
like
floor
area
ratio,
building
coverage
and
I
did
want
to
clarify
that
a
property
with
a
single-family
home
is
subject
to
the
exact
same
floor
area
ratio
and
building
coverage
as
a
property
with
a
single-family
home
and
an
Adu.
AJ
So
if
you're
allowed
to
build,
say
3
000
square
feet
on
a
property,
you
can
either
put
3
000
square
feet
into
a
single
family
home
or
if
you
want
to
have
a
500
square
foot
Adu,
you
can
do
500
square
feet
for
the
Adu
2500
square
feet
for
the
single
family
home.
So
having
an
Adu
does
not
give
you
more
floor
area
on
the
property,
it's
essentially
fitting,
all
of
the
same
things
or
different
things
into
the
same
size
box.
AJ
If
that
makes
sense,
all
of
the
yellow
standards
on
this
slide
relate
to
accessory
structures
or
Adu.
So
we
have
a
number
of
Adu
specific
standards
that
also
help
to
mitigate
any
potential
impacts
of
adus.
So
that
includes
parking
requirements,
a
minimum
lot
size.
We
have
design
standards
for
both
detached
and
attached
adus
a
maximum
size
which
we'll
talk
about
a
little
bit
later,
as
well
as
well
as
the
owner
occupancy
requirement,
which
requires
a
property
owner
to
be
on
site
and
then
the
occupancy
limit.
AJ
The
number
of
unrelated
people
on
site
is
slightly
slightly
more
flexible
on
adus,
in
that
more
dependents
can
live
on
site
with
an
Adu,
but
essentially
the
number
of
unrelated
adult
adults
is
the
same.
So
there
are
a
number
of
standards
that
we
believe
adequately
mitigate
the
potential
impacts
of
adus
if
the
saturation
limit
were
not
in
place,
so
The
Proposal,
with
ordinance
8571,
is
to
eliminate
the
20
saturation
limit
that
currently
exists
within
300
feet
of
properties
in
rl1
and
rl2.
AJ
The
next
major
change
is
related
to
size
limits,
so
size
limits
vary
based
on
whether
it's
an
attached,
Adu
or
a
detached
Adu
for
attached.
Currently
you're
allowed
to
build
one-third
the
size
of
the
main
house
or
a
thousand
square
feet,
whichever
is
less
so.
The
way
that
works
is,
if
you
have
a
1500
square
foot
house,
you
can't
take
advantage
of
that
full
thousand
square
feet,
you're
limited
to
the
one-third,
so
you
would
max
out
at
500
square
feet
for
the
Adu
and
a
detached
data
use.
AJ
If
it's
in
a
separate
structure,
the
maximum
size
right
now
is
550
square
feet.
As
we
talked
about
in
the
study
session,
there
is
an
option
for
people
to
build
a
larger
Adu
if
they
designate
it
as
an
affordable
Adu,
which
means
that
they
are
limiting
the
rent
to
75
percent
of
area,
median
income,
The
Proposal
in
the
ordinance
tonight.
AJ
I
know
we
talked
about
this
in
the
study
session,
but
one
of
the
things
related
to
size
limits
is
that
our
current
Adu
regulations
have
a
unique
way
of
measuring
floor
area,
and
it's
something
that
we
ran
into
a
lot
in
the
evaluation
that
customers
and
Property
Owners
residents
alike,
as
well
as
staff,
get
very
confused
by
that
being
different.
And
so
the
proposal
is
to
just
strike
that
unique
floor
area
measurement
and
instead
just
use
the
typical
floor
area
measurement
that
we
use
for
every
other
building
in
the
city.
AJ
But
the
big
change
is
modifying
the
size
limits
so
for
an
attached
Adu,
the
ordinance
increases
the
allowable
size
to
half
of
the
principal
unit
or
a
thousand
square
feet,
whichever
is
less
and
then
for
detached.
It
would
increase
from
550
square
feet
to
800
square
feet.
Correspondingly,
we
did
want
to
increase
the
allowable
size
for
the
affordable
and
historic
properties
which
currently
have
an
incentive,
like
I
mentioned,
of
a
larger
size
for
an
Adu.
AJ
So
we
increased
in
the
ordinance
the
size
for
those
as
well
to
two-thirds
of
the
principal
unit
or
1200
square
feet
for
the
affordable,
and
then
the
detached
would
be
allowed
up
to
a
thousand
square
feet.
So
those
are
the
changes
related
to
size
limits
and
then
I
did
just
want
to
I.
We
went
out
and
took
some
pictures
because
we've
been
allowing
the
affordable
adus
to
to
be
a
little
bit
larger
in
size.
So,
just
to
put
some
pictures
and
size
limits
graphically
visually
for
you.
AJ
These
are
a
couple
of
the
affordable
adus
that
have
been
approved
in
the
last
couple
of
years,
closer
to
those
limits
that
are
proposed.
So
these
are
700
and
800
square
footage
used
images
from
the
street
side
and
Alley
side,
some
other
contexts,
some
lots
that
don't
have
alleys
the
ones
on
the
bottom
are
actually
attached
datus.
So
those
are
both
basement
units.
AJ
The
one
at
the
bottom
left
actually
had
to
go
through
a
variance
for
the
board
of,
through
the
board
of
zoning
adjustment,
to
be
able
to
turn
their
basement
into
an
affordable,
Adu
all
right.
So
the
last
section
that
I'll
really
focus
on
for
the
ordinance
is
the
code
clarification
and
we
did
go
through
these
issues
at
the
study
session.
But
these
are
some
of
the
main
issues
that
really
Rose
to
the
top.
When
we
did
the
evaluation
and
we're,
we
think
could
potentially
have
a
significant
impact
in
reducing
barriers
to
adus.
AJ
So
one
of
the
issues
that
came
up
frequently
was
adus
are
currently
required
to
be
established
within
a
year
of
their
Adu
application
being
approved.
That's
really
challenging
with
construction
timelines
right
now,
and
people
get
understandably
very
concerned
that
they're
going
to
have
their
application
expire.
It's
it's
just
getting
harder
and
harder
to
be
able
to
do
it
within
one
year,
and
we
talked
a
bit
before
about
the
fact
that
adus
are
currently
a
two-step
process.
AJ
So
you
have
to
get
an
administrative
application
approved
for
the
Adu
first
before
you
can
go
through
to
the
building
permit,
and
so
that's
just
a
really
challenging
process.
I'll
explain
that
a
little
bit
more
later,
also
the
public
notice
requirement,
because
it
has
that
administrative
application
and
Adu
also
requires
public
notice
of
your
adjacent
neighbors
and
that
gets
really
confusing
for
those
adjacent
neighbors,
because
it's
not
actually
something
that
they
can
submit
comments
for
or
really
have
any
impact
on.
It's
also
unusual
because
most
types
of
construction
don't
have
a
public
notice.
AJ
Most,
almost
all
of
our
administrative
applications
don't
have
an
administ
public
notice,
so
the
proposal
in
the
ordinance
is
to
change
an
accessory
dwelling
unit
from
a
conditional
use,
which
requires
the
administrative
application
to
an
allowed
use,
and
in
that
way
it
can
go
from
a
two-step
review
to
a
one-step
review.
So
if
you
want
to
get
an
Adu,
you
would
just
go
straight
to
the
building
permit
and
there's
not
this
first
administrative
step.
First.
AJ
In
that
way,
the
typical
building
permit
expiration
timeline
applies,
which
wasn't
really
the
issue
that
had
been
raised.
It
was
that
one
year
with
the
administrative
application,
and
so
people
would
just
be
subject
to
any
the
timeline
that
all
building
permits
are
subject
to
and
also
the
change
that
that
affects
is
that
allowed
uses
do
not
require
a
public
notice,
so
there
wouldn't
be
the
public
notice
step
as
well.
So
all
of
this
streamlines
the
application
process
significantly
to
to
bring
it
down
to
just
a
one-step
process.
AJ
One
of
the
other
issues
that
was
raised
through
the
evaluation
was
that
there
is
no
flexibility
currently
for
the
height
of
existing
structures.
If
they're
over
25
feet,
so
the
ordinance
updates
the
detached
Adu
height
standards
and
says
that
if
a
structure
exceeds
our
25
foot
height
limit
and
but
it's
already
existing,
it
can
be
reused
as
an
Adu.
AJ
So
this
is
helpful
because
then
people
can
adaptively
reuse,
an
existing
structure
which
is
more
environmentally
sustainable
and
probably
will
have
less
of
an
impact
on
their
neighbors,
because
it's
an
existing
structure
so
we're
trying
to
provide
that
flexibility
for
those
situations,
and
we
have
had
a
number
of
applicants
in
the
last
year
or
so
run
into
this
issue.
There's
also
a
confusing
standard
related
to
the
roof
wall
ratio.
That's
been
in
there
since
the
80s
that
confuses
everyone
then
doesn't
really
have
a
purpose.
AJ
So
we've
removed
that
and
then
this
one
gets
really
into
the
weeds
of
interpreting
zoning
code.
But
right
now
we
have
a
requirement
that
an
Adu
has
to
be
separated
with
a
lock
from
the
the
main
house.
It's
something
that's
kind
of
deeply
buried
in
the
land,
use
code,
definitions
and
but
people
run
into
it
a
lot.
So
we've
brought
that
into
the
ordinance
and
it's
included
in
the
attached
Adu
standards.
AJ
Another
one
I
mentioned:
there's
a
detached,
Adu
and
attached
Adu
type
in
Boulder.
We
actually
have
a
third
type.
It's
the
limited
accessory
unit.
However,
there's
only
one
property
in
the
whole
city:
that's
ever
used
this,
so
there's
kind
of
limited
utility
we've
actually
been
already
in
contact
with
the
property
owner
and
they're
fine
with
not
being
a
limited
accessory
unit.
So
this
removes
a
lot
of
excess
code.
AJ
Language
that's
never
been
used
other
than
for
that
one
property
and
then
finally,
we
did
discuss
at
length
in
the
study
session
issues
related
to
owner
occupancy,
specifically
related
to
llc's.
So
what
we
did
in
the
ordinance
was
we
added
Clarity
to
the
definition
of
owner
occupancy
to
explain
how
people
can
prove
that
their
owner
occupied,
even
if
it's
owned
by
an
LLC
and
so
that's
having
over
50
membership
of
that
LLC
and
they
would
have
specific
documents.
AJ
They
would
need
to
submit
to
the
city
to
prove
that
which
is
the
same
process
that
we
do
in
a
property
zoned
in
a
trust
or
something
like
that,
and
then
we
did
also
add
some
additional
enforceability
and
language
about
those
documents
and
in
the
Adu
standards
which
basically
say
that
the
city
can
request
those
documents
at
any
time.
So
right
now,
typically,
it's
reviewed
at
the
time
of
application,
but
there's
just
some
additional
language
that
the
city
can
ask
for
that
at
any
time
and
that
could
help
with
enforcement
as
well.
AJ
So
those
are
all
of
the
code.
Clarification
updates,
there's
a
number
of
other
improvements
just
to
the
language
and
organization
of
the
overall
standards,
just
simplifying
language
and
and
improving
the
organization
that
we
were
able
to
do
through
all
of
those
changes
as
well
and
then
the
final.
My
final
slide
or
the
final,
the
fourth
point
of
the
scope,
is
the
process
improvements.
These
aren't
necessarily
in
the
ordinance
but
they're
facilitated
by
the
changes
in
the
ordinance.
So
I
mentioned
the
one
step
review.
AJ
This
would
be
a
very
significant
administrative
Improvement
for
Adu
applications
and
eliminate
many
of
the
barriers
and
confusions
that
confusion
that
property
owners
and
applicants
face
when
trying
to
pursue
an
Adu.
Some
other
things
like
timing
of
addressing
and
the
Declaration
of
use
document
will
also
work
on
if
the
ordinance
is
adopted,
as
well
as
really
beefing
up
our
self-service
handouts
and
videos
for
our
online
for
the
the
Adu
page
online,
making
sure
that
people
can
better
understand
what
the
Adu
regulations
are
that
apply
to
them.
AJ
So
if
the
ordinance
is
adopted,
the
next
steps
would
be
to
spend
the
summer
working
on
the
process.
Improvement
changes,
preparation,
there's
things
like
electronic
permitting
and
all
that
that
we
would
have
to
sort
out
and
improve,
and
then
the
ordinance
does
set
an
effective
date
of
September
1st
for
these
rules
to
go
into
into
effect
and
I.
Think
that's
it
and
I
have
a
suggested
motion
but
happy
to
take
any
questions.
C
Thank
you.
That
was
an
excellent
excellent
presentation,
really
First
Rate.
So
thank
you.
Do
we
have
any
questions
for
staff?
C
AD
Thank
you,
I.
Think.
Thanks
for
the
presentation
super
helpful
I
just
got
some
questions
around
just
kind
of
information
that
you
know
we
may
track
if
these
changes
going
to
effect.
So
some
of
the
current
concerns
don't
really
seem
to
be
about
80s
per
se,
but
sort
of
the
impacts
of
having
a
little
bit
more
density
around
and
so
I'm
wondering.
AJ
Yeah,
certainly
we
have.
We
do
have
enforcement
data
that
we
can
look
at
it
is
we.
We
did
look
at
the
enforcement
data
in
the
analysis
for
this
ordinance,
it's
a
little
challenging
because
they're
all
in
different
places,
but
we
can
certainly
look
at
that
and
the
conclusion
we
came
to
even
just
looking.
AJ
Sure
so
the
HOA
regulations
there
are.
If
the
HOA
says
that
there
are
no
accessory
dwelling
units
allowed,
then
they're
not
allowed
to
do
that
through
their
HOA.
So
I
think
that
that
would
Trump
I
don't
know.
If
Carl
has
a
better
answer,
but
I'm
pretty
sure
the
HOA
would
be
able
to
Trump
whatever
the
the
city
has
because
I
know
they
have
more
detailed
things
like
color
and
things
that
we
don't
get
into
and.
P
C
AK
C
Questions
I
have
one
or
two
remind.
A
C
AJ
For
the
attached
having
larger
I
think
because
there's
a
perception
that
an
attached
Adu
would
be
less
impactful
because
it's
not
a
separate
unit,
so
people
might
not
even
know
you
saw
the
pictures,
the
the
attached
units.
You
might
never
know
that,
there's
a
unit
back
there
or
on
in
the
basement
so
and
a
lot
of
the
time.
People
are
renovating
their
basements
to
be
an
attached,
Adu,
and
so
often
that
is
half
of
the
house.
If
it's
a
one-story
house,
so
a
little
more
flexibility
for
those
versus
building
a
new
structure.
Okay,.
C
Thank
you.
If
there
are
no
more
questions,
I
guess
we
will
do
our
public
hearing
on
this
matter
and
I
believe
we
have
six
speakers.
Two
speakers
are
in
person,
Peter
baloran
and
Dorothy,
Cohen
and
Peter.
Forgive
me
if
I
have
butchered
your
name.
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
Goss
Grove
already
does
its
part
on
affordable
housing
and
building
Community
to
include
the
less
fortunate
we're
proud
to
host
a
Section,
8
housing
complex
and
one
of
only
two
Boulder
County
halfway
houses,
the
other
being
in
Longmont.
Please
don't
ruin
our
little
neighborhood
and
others
adjacent
to
CU
for
false
promises
that
chiefly
benefit
wealthy
investors.
AK
AK
Another
I'd
like
to
explain
I
live
in
a
house
that
is
792
square
feet
on
the
closest
Martin
Acres
street,
across
from
CU
Baseline,
where
the
law
school
and
many
other
neighborhood
houses
of
the
same
size,
I,
don't
understand
how
you
can
have
an
800
or
900
square
foot
building
as
an
accessory
unit
when
it's
bigger
than
my
entire
house,
the
size
might
work
in
large
neighborhoods
with
a
4
000
square
foot
home,
but
the
neighborhood
we're
actually
very
bad.
AK
Looking
in
my
neighborhood,
in
addition
to
CU
and
other
neighborhoods
in
the
in
the
union,
Apartments
directly
behind
me,
many
of
the
units
have
three
bedrooms
and
three
occupants.
The
apartments
also
provide
one
off
Street
housing
parking
per
space
per
unit,
assuming
that
they
would
encourage
the
other
two
roommates
from
bringing
cars
to
Boulder.
Well,
they
did
bring
their
cars,
and
my
street
gets
overflow
parking
in
the
apartments
I've.
Even
had
people
block
my
driveway,
we
also
get
CU
students
and
faculty
driving
into
the
street
from
the
park
and
they
don't
even
talk
about
fall.
AK
Saturday
CU
football
games
see
you
fans
from
every
everywhere
Park
on
my
street
and
walk
to
campus.
We
often
have
people
parked
squarely
across
our
driveways
trapping
us,
so
we
don't
have.
We
can't
leave
now.
What
do
we
want?
Why?
Why
do
we
want
to
wave
off
street
parking?
Regulate
requirements
to
adus
in
my
neighborhood
50
or
more
of
the
houses
are
rentals.
Many
are
student
rentals.
We
encourage.
We
endure
parties,
houses,
noise,
constant
disruption
of
the
quality
of
life.
AK
Contrary
to
what
council
thinks
it
is
it,
it
did
nothing
and
really
to
improve
code
enforcement.
Folders
compliant
based
system
still
place
all
the
burden
and
proof
on
us.
We
don't
want
to
spend
our
lives,
documenting
problems,
taking
photographs,
videos
and
recordings
plus
many
people
like
me,
are
afraid
to
complain,
but
out
of
rate
out
of
retaliation,
it's
hard
for
people
to
figure
out
who
may
have
complained
about
the
boulder
system,
places
victims
in
Jeopardy
and
now,
on
top
of
all
of
this
you're,
proposing
a
total
deregulation
of
adus.
AK
C
AL
Does
does
anyone
have
the
slides,
oh
great,
perfect?
Thank
you,
Lisa
Spalding,
University,
Hill,
ordinance
8571
would
adversely
affect
the
neighborhoods
surrounding
the
university.
Each
neighborhood
has
different
problems,
but
all
desire
and
deserve,
and
overlay
Zone
exempting
them
from
this
ordinance
until
accommodations
can
be
made,
and
we
know
the
fate
of
Senate
Bill
213,
which
eliminates
both
parking
requirements
and
compulsory
owner
occupancy
next
slide.
AL
This
is
a
screenshot
of
the
800
block
of
13th
taken
from
the
city's
rental
housing
map.
Rental
properties
are
in
green
and
blue,
and
the
red
line
indicates
a
short-term
rental.
The
properties
with
occupancy
numbers
are
non-conforming
which
whether
they're
currently
licensed
or
not
next
slide.
Please.
The
current
combined
non-conforming
occupancy
is
58..
If
the
saturation
limit
is
lifted,
12
property
owners
could
build
agus
bringing
the
total
to
94..
AL
If
SB
213
passes
and
occupancy
increases
to
five,
the
number
of
occupants
would
increase
to
131,
no
parking
would
be
required
and
off-premise
landlords
could
build.
Adus.
Many
homes
would
be
sold
to
investors
next
slide,
please.
This
is
a
screenshot
of
legal
non-conforming
properties
in
the
800
block
of
11th
and
on
the
adjacent
side
of
12..
The
numbers
are
on
properties,
indicate
current
non-conforming
occupancy
next
slide.
Please,
the
current
combined
non-conforming
occupancy
is
166..
If
the
saturation
limit
is
lifted,
16
property
owners
could
build
adus
bring
the
total
to
214.
AL
if
SB
213
passes,
occupancy
would
increase
to
284.
last
slide,
please.
If
the
saturation
limit
is
abolished,
the
population
density
of
the
Hill
will
overwhelm
its
already
strained.
Carrying
capacity
and
neighborhood
conditions
will
continue
to
decline.
If
SB
2013
passes
the
University
Hill
Neighborhood
will
collapse,
and
the
student
ghetto
north
of
college
will
overtake
most
blocks
south
as
well.
It's
impossible
to
separate
overpopulation
from
adverse
impacts.
The
noise
trash
and
vandalism
would
require
dedicated
police
and
enforcement
units
stationed
on
the
hill.
The
city
would
never
afford
that.
AL
AM
That's
muted,
oh,
go
ahead.
Ryan
start
now:
I'm
Ron,
Depew
I
live
in
Martin
Acres
I.
Ask
that
you
exempt
the
four
CU
adjacent
neighborhoods
from
the
adud
regulations,
such
that
the
current
Adu
rules
remain
in
place
for
us.
I
ask
this
because
City
changes
that
create
a
small
pickup
for
most
neighborhoods
nearly
always
have
terribly
disproportionate
consequences
for
us.
AM
AM
The
irony
is
that
most
other
Boulder
neighborhoods
are
relatively
stable
and
tranquil
and
they're
likely
to
get
perhaps
a
10
increase
in
adus
from
your
ordinance
when
they
can
easily
which
they
can
easily
accommodate,
whereas
many
parts
of
our
neighborhoods
are
already
at
the
Tipping
Point
of
livability
and
we'll
see
a
25
percent
or
more
increase
in
adus
under
this
ordinance,
simply
because
of
the
unlimited
market
for
CU
students.
Also,
we
are
a
modest
neighborhood,
where
many
of
our
houses
are
only
800
to
1000
square
feet.
AM
To
begin
with,
the
relatively
huge
adus
in
this
proposal
dwarf
and
overpower
many
of
the
original
houses.
In
addition,
modest
neighborhoods,
like
Martin
acres
and
East
Aurora,
Baseline
sub,
or
among
the
last
remaining
neighborhoods,
where
middle
income
families
can
still
afford
to
buy,
there
are
still
small
houses.
Some
in
the
eight
hundred
thousand
dollar
range
here,
you
slap
an
800
square
foot
Adu
in
the
backyard
that
same
property
will
go
for
1.3
million
minimum.
AM
Many
families
don't
want
to
rent
and
you
are
removing
the
last
remaining
properties
from
Boulders
for
sale,
Market
that
would
be
affordable
to
them
again.
Most
families
seek
privacy
and
aren't
interested
in
elaborate
loan
schemes
that
require
them
to
have
strangers
living
in
their
backyards.
Finally,
I'll
just
point
out
that
this
proposal
is
severely
lacking
in
real
affordability
requirements.
AM
It's
a
backdoor
up
zoning
of
single-family
neighborhoods
to
duplex
neighborhoods,
while
some
on
Council
want
to
impose
duplexes
on
every
neighborhood,
regardless
of
how
the
residents
feel
realize
that
in
Boulder's,
inelastic
demand,
sellers
market
for
housing
you'll
simply
get
two
really
expensive
units
per
lot
instead
of
one.
Thank
you.
X
You
know
the
elephant
in
the
living
room
is
cu
and
you
this
Council
voted
to
double
the
size
of
Cu.
So
is
it
any
surprise?
You
have
problems
now
in
the
city,
with
an
already
inelastic
Market,
as
others
have
described,
see
you
put
so
much
pressure
on
the
city.
Everything
should
be
done
to
cap
enrollment
and
and
to
to
deplete,
enrollment
and
see
you
that
is
the
elephant
in
the
bedroom
or
in
the
living
room
as
I
say,
but
as
it
stands,
something
and
I
don't
live
around
there.
X
Okay,
but
see
you
affects
me
on
the
North
perimeter
of
Mapleton.
Hill
CU
affects
this
entire
every
square
inch
of
this
town
and
it
certainly
impacts
those
the
the
people
that
were
speaking
earlier
tonight
and
that
should
definitely
be
changed
in
the
immediate
area.
All
it's
going
to
do
is
spread
the
problem
out
to
me
because
you
haven't
stopped
the
real
problem,
which
is
the
size
of
Cu,
much
of
a
good
thing,
and
you
voted
for
it.
You
wanted
it
now.
You
got
a
problem.
X
X
I'm
not
gonna,
know
anyone
new
in
another
10
years,
because
I
don't
know
who
my
public
is
I'm
sequestered
from
knowing
who
they
are
that's
a
problem,
so
the
Adu
situation
needs
to
be
accepted
clearly
for
for
the
university
area
and
and
for
small
living
units.
There
should
be
nothing
smaller
than
400
feet
in
Boulder
for
a
person
to
live
in
and
there's
plenty
of
projects
being
approved
for
300
feet
and
that's
what's
driving
up
the
density
and
all
the
problems
that
you're
talking
about
tonight
with
adus.
Thank.
C
F
Oh
mayor
Pro
tem,
this
is
Ryan
I'm,
just
saying
that
Rosemary
has
joined
here.
If
you
would
like
to
have
her
speak
during
the
public
hearing.
Y
I
appreciate
you
letting
me
speak
I
had
a
little
trouble
finding
my
link
to
get
on
so
I
am
not
completely
100
opposed
to
adus
being
allowed
in
Boulder
I.
They
obviously
already
are
allowed
in
Boulder.
I
am
opposed
to
this
free-for-all
of
adus
being
able
to
put
on
without
any
dependency
on
the
size
of
the
lot,
without
any
consideration
of
how
many
edus
are
in
the
neighborhood,
without
any
consideration
of
parking,
I
feel
like
and
I
believe.
Y
Historically,
one
of
the
reasons
why
Boulder
put
some
limits
on
adus
was
what
happened
with
lower
Mapleton,
lower
Mapleton
Pine
that
neighborhood,
because
it
it
was
a
free-for-all
in
the
70s
and
80s,
and
became
this
unbelievably
dense
neighborhood,
because
there
were
no
regulations
and
now
we
want
to
go
backwards
and
completely
take
all
regulations
away
again.
Y
I
think
another
consideration,
I
haven't
heard.
A
lot
of
people
speaking
talking
about
is
I
really
fear
that
if
we
keep
allowing
people
to
do
whatever
they
want
to
with
their
property
as
far
as
building
adus
is
that,
especially
if
it
happens
with
the
smaller
homes
on
smaller
lots
that
we're
just
again
removing
lower
level
houses,
the
cheapest
houses
in
our
community
are
going
to
be
just
have
their
prices
increased
and
making
them
even
more
unaffordable
and
I
I
get
the
desire.
I
mean
I've
lived
in
my
home
for
almost
30
years.
Y
I
get
the
desire
to
say
gosh.
I
could
build
an
Adu
in
my
backyard,
because
now
it
doesn't
matter
if
I
have
a
backyard
anymore,
because
there's
no
regulations
around
that
and
then
I
can
either
move
into
the
Adu
and
rent
out
my
house
and
make
a
lot
of
money.
But
I
don't
want
to
do
that
because
I
don't
want
to
take
yet
another
home
away
from
a
young
family
that
might
be
able
to
afford
to
buy
my
home
at
some
time,
but
if
I
bought.
Y
But
if
I
build
an
Adu
in
the
backyard
it's
going
to
make
it
even
more
unaffordable
and
I.
Just
hope
that
we
look
at
the
big
picture,
you
know
I'm,
not
even
and
and
I
really
hope
that
we
protect
the
small
single-family
home
neighborhoods
that
are
already
struggling,
so
the
hill
Martin
Acres,
where
we
just
have
so
much
density
already
and
we're
struggling
with
students,
we're
struggling
with
parking,
we're
struggling
with
trash
that
at
least
those
neighborhoods
get
some
protection
from
having
to
deal
with
a
mass
amount
of
adus.
Thank
you
very
much.
C
AD
AD
AJ
So
that,
because
of
the
owner
occupancy
requirement,
it
has
to
be
somebody
that's
living
on
site,
so
the
property
owner,
maybe
their
profession,
is
a
developer,
but
they
have
to
live
there
on
site.
So,
for
the
most
part,
I
would
say
it's
homeowners
who
are
either
converting
a
part
of
their
existing
house
or
they're
constructing
a
detached
unit.
Okay,.
AD
Thank
you
and
then
I
mean
to
that
point
too
right.
If
owners
are
having
to
live
there,
then
I
mean
this
is
feels
a
little
different
to
me
than
if
somebody
were
just
to
like
build
a
big
apartment
building
or
something
on
their
spot
right,
because
the
owners
there
and
I
have
lived
next
to
actually
right
above
in
an
apartment
party
units
and
it's
no
fun,
especially
if
you've
got
little
kids.
AD
But
if
you
own
the
place,
then
it
feels
like
I
don't
know:
do
we
see
fewer
complaints
than
owner
occupied
units
or
anything
like
that
or
do
you.
AJ
Know
it's
not
something
that
we've
tracked
necessarily,
but
we
did
as
I
mentioned
earlier.
We
did
look
at
the
enforcement
data
and
there
just
wasn't
any
real
difference
between
properties
that
have
an
Adu
and
other
Residential
Properties.
You
get
typical
like
snow
shoveling
issues
and
things
like
that
at
any
residential
property
but
and
our
Enforcement
Officers
really
don't
know
the
difference
between
properties
that,
like
just
a
single
family,
home
or
a
single
family
home
with
an
Adu
yep.
P
C
AJ
Absolutely
so
that
was
something
that
came
up
early
in
this
project,
I
think
during
our
study
session.
Even
we
discussed
that
it
also
was
something
raised
by
planning
board
and
early
discussions
as
well.
So
it's
something
we've
been
analyzing
throughout
this
project,
they're
kind
of
three
main
points
for
the
reasons
why
we
decided
to
move
forward
with
an
ordinance
that
doesn't
specify
or
carve
out
specific
neighborhoods.
AJ
The
first
is
looking
at
all
of
those
other
cities
around
the
country
that
don't
have
a
saturation
limit
and
use
their
existing
zoning
standards
as
the
protection
for
those
standards.
You
know
no
other
cities
and
we
looked
at
a
lot
of
other
university
cities
that
would
have
similar
issues
with
college
neighborhoods.
No
one
else
uses
a
saturation
limit
or
has
to
specify
specific
neighborhoods,
so
that
was
informative.
AJ
Secondly,
we,
as
I
mentioned
the
saturation
limit,
only
applies
in
two
of
our
zoning
districts.
We
allow
adus
and
other
zoning
districts,
so
we
looked
at
the
difference
between
the
areas
that
have
saturation
limits
and
the
areas
that
don't
have
saturation
limits
so
like
our
rmx1
Sony
District
allows
adus
but
doesn't
have
a
saturation
limit.
AJ
We
didn't
see
a
difference
in
the
enforcement
issues
in
those
areas
that
have
saturation
limits
versus
the
ones
that
don't
and
then
the
third
point
is
again
going
back
to
what
I
said
before
talking
to
our
enforcement
officers
and
they
don't
see
a
difference
between
typical
residential
property
and
a
property
with
an
Adu
so
kind
of
with
those
three
things
in
mind,
and
we
did
we
University
Hill
was
at
our
community
conversation.
Carl
and
I
went
on
a
walking
tour
of
University
Hill.
AJ
It's
definitely
been
a
part
of
the
conversation
and
we've
been
discussing
it
with
residents
over
all
of
this
process
of
this
put
putting
together
the
ordinance,
but
we
really
landed
on
their
not
being
a
significant
difference
for
those
specific
neighborhoods
in
terms
of
impacts
that
we
were
seeing
from
adus.
Just
through
the
analysis
that
we're
able
to
do.
C
AJ
A
that's
a
helpful
clarification
that
I
can
make.
So,
as
I
mentioned,
with
that
complicated
slide
with
all
this,
the
standards
there's
the
floor
area.
That's
allowed
on
a
site,
so
you
can
either
do
it
with
a
single
family,
home
or
single
family
home
with
an
Adu
so
depending
on
how
large
the
site,
the
lot
is,
they
might
not
have
the
ability
to
you
know
max
out
the
size
of
the
Adu
if
their
building
coverage
is
already
over.
Whatever
that
limit
is
they
can't
add,
they
can't
take
advantage
of
the
full
size.
AJ
So
it
depends
a
lot
on
the
size
of
the
lot
and
what
the
the
existing
structure
is.
That's
there.
So
it
kind
of
tapers
and
changes
based
on
the
existing
lot
and
then
one
other
point
that
I
just
thought
of
related
to
kind
of
the
University
adjacent
neighborhoods
is
going
back
to
the
owner
occupancy
in
neighborhoods,
where
there
are
a
lot
of
rentals.
That
means
that
those
rental
properties
can
are
not
eligible
for
adus,
so
there's
actually
fewer
properties,
because
there's
fewer
owner
occupied
thoughts.
AJ
I
think
that
that's
the
plan-
and
we
now
have
the
you
know
all
of
the
data
that
we
tracked
for
this
most
recent
evaluation
and
then,
if
there
are
specific
items
that
we
want
to
be
sure
to
track,
we
can
also
add
that
on
and
be
sure
we're
tracking
it.
But
I
think
the
incremental
approach
that
we've
been
doing
with
adus
has
been
really
helpful
and
informative.
Okay,.
AG
First
off
a
great
job
on
the
presentation
and
not
just
the
presentation,
but
really
the
work
and
the
thoughtfulness
to
get
to
this
place,
and
so
I
want
to
thank
the
team
going
back
years
from
when
the
adus
were
really
just
Cur.
You
know
when
we
did
that
Ras
substantive
Adu,
update
I
believe
in
2018,
just
great
job
and
I.
Think
if
we
recall
in
2018
that
was
done
with
the
idea
of
monitoring
and
then
understanding
and
do
we
want
to
evolve.
AG
And
here
we
are
at
a
place
where
we've
monitored
and
we've
seen
the
value
of
it
and
the
need
to
expand.
And
this
is
why
I
think
this
is
so
great
and
the
the
considerations
to
remove
those
barriers
and
to
be
thoughtful
and
recognize
the
natural
barriers
that
exist
with
all
the
rentals
that
we
have
in
our
community.
AG
And
some
of
these
Lots,
not
even
being
big
enough
to
allow
for
them
I
think,
are
naturally
creating
almost
saturation
limits
in
a
natural
setting,
while
still
lowering
the
barriers
of
entry
for
those
that
want
to
so
I.
Just
commend
the
work
of
staff
to
navigate
and
really
understand
those
nuances
in
a
complex
and
detailed
manner,
so
I.
Thank
you
very
much
I'll
just
say
in
general.
I
love
where
this
is
at.
AG
This
is
the
kind
of
the
exact
Evolution
that
I
was
hoping
that
we
would
get
to
after
what
five
years,
since
it's
real
sort
of
modified
Inception,
so
I
I,
I
love
it
so
I
just
want
to
say
good
job
and
I
hope
that
we
can
get
this
done.
D
As
I
indicated
in
my
hotline
post,
I'd
like
to
first
of
all
I
completely
agree
with
Matt,
you
guys
did
a
great
job.
I
think
this
is.
This
is
great
work.
I
was
on
the
council
five
years
ago
when,
when
we
made
changes-
and
we
knew
that
I
think
we
even
said
out
loud
back-
then
we
know
we're
not
getting
exactly
right
and
we'll
probably
come
back
in
a
few
years,
and
here
we
are
so
thank
you
so
much
for
tracking
things
over
the
last
four
or
five
years
and
bringing
us
some.
D
What
I
think
are
relatively
modest
amendments,
but
important
amendments
to
our
Adu
rules.
I
think
it
was
important
that
Lisa
pointed
out
to
us
that
this
won't
go
into
effect
until
September
one.
So
we
you
guys
need
a
little
bit
of
time
to
to
do
some
process
and
whatnot
over
the
course
of
the
summer.
That's
entirely
understandable,
I
like
to
to
move
that.
We
continue
this
hearing,
hopefully
only
two
weeks,
it'll
be
up
to
CAC,
but
we'll
continue
this
hearing
as
one
or
two
the
speakers
pointed
out.
D
There's
a
parallel
activity
going
on
down
in
Denver
relating
to
a
lot
of
things,
but
one
of
them
is
is
adus
and
that
football
has
bounced
to
lots
of
different
directions
over
the
last
week
or
two.
D
As
a
matter
of
fact,
we've
got
one
set
of
of
rules
or
Bill,
that's
pending
in
front
of
the
house
and
other
in
the
Senate
and
they're
completely
different
and
they're,
going
to
somehow
reconcile
them
over
the
weekend,
because
the
legislature
adjourns
on
at
midnight
on
Monday
and
so
I
think
in
the
next
four
days.
We're
gonna
have
a
pretty
good
idea.
Some
of
the
things
that
the
legislature
has
talked
about
doing
with
adus
I
think
are
just
fine,
they're
very
compatible
with
what
our
staff
recommends
to
us.
D
Some
of
them
are
probably
incompatible
and
may
cause
us
to
want
to
do
something
slightly
different,
and
so
for
that
reason,
like
I
I
asked
my
Council
colleagues.
If
we
could
continue
this
I
think
it's
going
to
pass
I
think
it's
going
to
pass
unanimously,
but
I
think
it
would
be.
Maybe
not
smart
of
us
to
pass
this
now
and
then
get
some
surprise
over
the
weekend
about
what
the
state
legislature
does
and
then
have
to
go
back
and
change
things
based
upon
what
we
see
in
the
legislature.
D
We
will
know
in
four
days
what
the
legislature
will
do
and
hopefully
that
will
allow
us
to
go
forward
with
what
staff
is
recommended
here,
but
I'd
like
to
continue
the
hearing
for
a
very,
very
short
time,
just
to
get
us
past
the
legislative
session.
So
we're
not
we're
not
making
this
decisions
in
an
atmosphere
of
uncertainty.
C
Any
thoughts
comments
then
I'll
speak
to
that
I
think
that's
actually
a
reasonable
suggestion,
I'm
very
concerned.
If
we,
if
we
can't
use
parking
to
incentivize
affordability,
how
exactly
are
we
going
to
do
that
and
we've
had
very
good
success
so
far
with
with
getting
affordable,
adus
and
I?
Think
that's
a
really
important
thing
for
us
and
and
if
we
are
not
able
to
do
that,
I
would
want
us
to
discuss.
How
else
can
we
do
that?
Because
you
have
to
you,
you
have
to
provide
some
incentive
for
affordability
and
parking.
C
I
think
is
is
a
major
issue
and
this
is
going
to
pass
in
one
form
or
another
I.
Just
don't
see
that
there's
any
particular
harm
in
understanding
exactly
what
we
have
to
do
and
if
we
have
to
make
any
last
minute
tweaks
in
order
to
deal
with
whatever
it
is,
the
state
does
and
I
you
know,
I
just
I
just
think
it's
operating
on
a
a
better
base
of
knowledge,
we're
not
going
to
not
pass
Adu
reform.
It's
just
a
question
of.
C
Is
there
anything
we
need
to
address
going
forward
with
respect
to
things
like
affordability,
because
we've
had
a
great
track
record
on
that
really
good
and
I
I
would
not.
I
would
not
want
to
disincentivize
people
from
going
down
that
route,
because
simply
because
of
State
action
and
they
will
do
what
they
do.
But
if
we
need
to
address
that,
I
would
like
us
to
at
least
be
able
to
do
that.
As
I
said,
this
is
going
to
pass.
Bob
said
it's
going
to
pass
unanimously.
C
I
suspect,
that's
correct,
but
I
want
to
at
least
give
us
the
option
of
discussing
anything
we
might
want
to
do
to
cope
with
overriding
State
legislation.
K
So
again,
just
want
to
Echo
what
everyone
is
saying
in
terms
of
I
really
appreciate
you
what
has
been
brought
forward,
especially
all
the
boring
bits.
Those
are
really
great.
All
those
parts
that
we're
not
talking
about
that
are
about
sort
of
the
code.
Cleanup
aspects
I,
really
appreciate
that
you
guys
went
there
and
got
those
I
I
hear
what
you
guys
are
saying
in
terms
of
your
concerns
about
what
might
come
forward
with
the
how,
with
what's
going
on
than
the
state
legislature.
K
I
also
I'm
concerned
about
what's
on
our
plate
and
in
front
of
us
for
our
schedule,
and
so
since
this
is
not
going
into
effect
until
September
anyway.
My
inclination
is
to
move
forward
with
what
we
have,
because
I
do
think
that
this
is
a
really
great
package
and
with
what
I
know
now,
it.
K
Yeah
I
fully
support
it.
If
things
come
up
with
what
comes
forward
with
the
state
legislature,
we
always
have
time
to
address
them
before
this
goes
into
effect
anyway,
and
so
I
would
rather
have
us
do
that
if
we
need
to
and
move
forward
with
this
as
it
is
with
what
we
know
now,
you.
C
C
They
said
it's
going
to
pass
and
it's
just
it's
just
a
question
of
whether
we
take
the
opportunity
to
review
what
comes
out
of
the
state
and
we
you
know,
depending
upon
there,
may
be
no
bill
who
knows
at
this
point,
but
it
would
be
useful,
I
think
for
us
to
vote
on
this
in
in
two
weeks
and
there's
no.
That
could
be
a
rather
quick
conversation
and
I
I.
Just
don't
know
that
there's
a
downside.
AG
I,
do
not
so
a
process
question
about
sort
of
if
we
were
to
wait.
We
obviously
have
this
package
right
here,
ready
to
go.
We've
had
our
public
hearing.
If
we
hear
when
this
legislative
session
comes
to
an
end
and
it's
kind
of
no
changes
from
the
state
level,
can
we
just
pass
this
on
consent?
Do
we
do
we
have
to
have
any
sort
of
larger
ordeal
that
comes
with
it?
If
we
wait
two
weeks
or
or
do
we
have
some
extra
process
that
has
to
occur.
AF
I'm
happy
to
answer
your
question.
I.
Hopefully
I
get
I
heard
it
correctly,
but
it
sounds
to
me
like
you're
wondering
whether
or
not
they
would,
if
there's
a
continuation,
whether
there
would
be
an
additional
public
hearing
or
if
you
would
just
go
straight
into
deliberations,
and
the
answer
to
that
is.
That
is
entirely
up
to
the
council
to
decide
that.
So
you
could
structure
it
in
one
way
or
the
other.
AI
And
if
I
may
add
to
Brad
Mueller,
director
planning
and
development
services
up,
we
would
obviously
want
to
follow
the
will
of
council
if
this
were
brought
forward
in
two
weeks
and
taken
off
consent.
I
would
point
out
at
that
point.
We
would
probably
recommend
that
if
the
council
wanted
to
react
to
anything
that
was
in
the
state
bill,
but
that
would
probably
open
up
a
need
for
a
public
process
and
those
types
of
things
which,
which
obviously
would
be
your
purview
as
well.
AI
The
bill
as
it
currently
is
set
up
doesn't
require
jurisdictions
to
take
action
on
it
for
two
years.
So
that
may
be
something
just
for
the
the
group
to
be
aware
of,
as
well
plus
any
litigation
that
follows.
AI
C
AG
AN
You
so
much
I'm,
sorry,
I
couldn't
be
here
any
sooner
than
I
am
right
now,
because
I
am
at
the
Capitol
and
it's
the
last
three
days
of
session,
so
I
had
some
other
bills
I
had
to
attend
to,
but
I
I
am
sorry
to
community
members
who
felt
that
I
should
have
been
here
earlier
and
I
intended
to,
but
just
the
schedule
did
not
work
out,
but
I'm
glad
to
be
here
at
this
time.
Thank
you.
AD
So
I
think
Brad.
You
just
asked
some
of
my
answered
some
of
my
questions,
but
I
kind
of
just
had
a
question
around.
You
know
what
what
the
timeline
for
any
changes
would
be.
If
we
were
to
pass
this
tonight,
for
example,
and
then
say
something
does
happen
at
the
State
in
the
next
few
days,
I
mean
what
what
is
or
or
if
we
weren't
to
pass
it
tonight
right
I
mean.
AD
AI
Yeah
so
I
I
think
you
know
if
we
were
to
if
you
were
to
decide
to
bring
It
Forward
two
weeks
from
now.
It
certainly
would
give
all
of
us
time
to
understand
what
the
bill
said
and
be
able
to
acknowledge
its
potential
interaction
with
the
ordinances
we've
brought
it
forward.
AI
You
know
the
planning
process,
though
so,
if
direction
for
Council
from
that
point
were
okay,
because
it
says
this,
then
let's
do
this.
I
just
wanted
to
alert
you
that
that
would
then
probably
mean
you
know
additional
time.
AI
We
wouldn't
probably
want
to
rush
to
bring
you
some
revised
ordinance
that
struck
a
few
words
here
and
there,
because
presumably
it
would
relate
to
other
things
like
the
fact
that
it
maybe
wouldn't
be
owner
occupied
or
parking,
or
some
of
the
things
that
you've
all
identified
so
certainly
probably
no
harm
no
foul
in
just
simply
bringing
it
forward
in
two
weeks.
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
think
ahead
beyond
that
to
kind
of
some
of
the
different.
You
know
ways
that
that
would
go
at
that
point
sure
thank.
AF
AG
Because
I
so
I
guess
I'm,
just
trying
I
mean
I'm
trying
to
understand
the
Nuance
here,
given
that
there
might
be
a
two-year
Delay
from
any
state
action
to
take
effect
for
213.
I.
Got
that
my
question,
and
maybe
it's
about
how
many
adus
are
we
I
mean
I'm
wondering
are:
do
we
hurt
ourselves
in
terms
of
having
our
ordinance,
create
affordability
and
create
adus?
AG
If
we
are
sort
of
held
up
in
process
versus
like
if
we
passed
it
tonight
and
said,
go
and
then
we
see
State
bill
when
the
state
Bill
comes
in
and
says:
okay,
we're
going
to
have
to
change
things
and
we
got
a
long
process.
AG
Are
we
going
to
have
edu
applications
and
anything
like
in
that
time
frame,
and
or
is
this
such
a
long
Runway
that
over
the
next
five
six
months,
no
matter
what
we're
doing
we're
not
really
going
to
see
an
impact,
even
if
we
pass
something
tonight
so
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
like
do?
We
have
an
opportunity
to
unleash
somebody
to
use
while.
AG
AI
Yeah
I'm
not
sure
I
can
quite
answer
that
councilman,
because
that
that's
a
bit
of
a
policy
answer
to
answer
that
other
than
we
do
regularly
get
applications
for
adus
and
we
would
anticipate
those
to
continue
to
come
in.
AD
Thank
you.
That
was
all
of
my
questions.
I
just
just
have
a
couple
comments.
I
think
for
me,
the
the
question
that
I'm
thinking
about
is
what's
going
to
change
in
two
weeks
regarding
you
know
the
this.
This
particular
iteration
of
this
ordinance
we've
got
two
years
to
adjust
to
changes
and
to
to
do
kind
of
a
more
thorough
feedback
process.
If,
if
that
feels
like
it's
needed
so
for
me,
I,
don't
really
think
that
anything
I'm
gonna
I'm
not
going
to
be
sitting
here
in
two
weeks
in
a
different
spot.
K
AH
Yeah
I,
when,
when
Bob
suggested,
this
I
thought
it
made
sense.
But
now
in
hearing
that
it's
going
to
be
not
much
is
going
to
be
available
to
us
to
like
quickly
edit
in
two
weeks,
and
it's
going
to
take
two
years
really
to
know
I.
Think
we're
better
off
to
vote
tonight
a
little
bit
with
a
caveat.
I
think
it
would
be.
You
know
unfortunate
if
that
being
out
there
with
well
juny's
here
now,
so
it's
not
going
to
be
as
as
lopsided.
AH
Perhaps
you
know
I'm
a
little
bit
worried
about
like
the
potential
of
a
something
that
we're
all
so
so
supportive
of
having
like
a
four
to
three
vote.
So
I
don't
know
how
people
are
going
to
vote,
but
I
think
that
would
be
an
unfortunate
consequence.
So
if
that
was
going
to
change
in
two
weeks,
I
might
you
know
be
okay
with
the
delay
but
I
just
it
doesn't
seem
like
we're
going
to
have
much
more
information
in
two
weeks.
AH
So
that
means
it's
going
to
be
potentially
a
lengthy
delay
and
and
I'm
very
excited
and
want
to
reiterate
gratitude
to
staff
for
great
work
and
especially
Lisa
so
and
Carl
great
job.
Thanks.
D
D
So
we're
gonna
know
a
lot
more
and
one
of
two
things:
that's
going
to
happen
either
either
whatever
comes
out
of
the
legislature,
and
it
could
be
nothing
we'll
have
no
impact
on
what
we're
doing,
in
which
case
we
can
pass
this
on
consent
in
two
weeks,
easy
peasy,
because
we've
done
all
the
work
or
or
something's
going
to
Big
come
out
of
the
legislature.
D
That's
going
to
cause
us
to
want
to
fiddle
with
this
thing,
and
the
question
is:
do
we
want
to
pass
something
now,
knowing
that
we
might
need
to
fiddle
with
it
and
I
realize
we'll
have
two
years
to
fiddle
with
it
or
some
months
to
fiddle
with
it?
So
so
why
I
don't
understand
what
the
rush
is
here
to
vote
tonight?
I
I
think
some
I
will
vote.
No.
If
we
vote
tonight,
I
will
likely
vote
Yes
if
we
vote
in
two
weeks.
D
So
maybe
you
don't
care,
maybe
there's
a
majority
of
ones
to
vote
yet
I
don't
want
to
vote
it
against
this
thing.
I
want
to
vote
Yes
on
this
thing,
but
I
want
to
vote
with
understanding
and
knowledge
about
what
the
state's
going
to
do
and
whether
we
have
to
make
some
changes
or
not
so
I,
don't
know
what
the
rush
is.
This
is
not
going
to
happen
until
September
1
anyway
and
I.
Don't
know
what
the
rush
is
to
do
something
tonight,
as
opposed
to
two
weeks
from
now
on
consent.
D
So
I
I'll
just
make
a
motion
and
see
if
it
succeeds
to
continue
this
hearing
for
two
weeks,
with
a
request
to
CAC
that
it'd
be
scheduled
on
the
consent
agenda.
C
AF
AD
D
So
I
will
vote
Yes
because
of
the
overwhelming
advantage
of
what
the
staff
has
put
together
is
is
worthy
of
a
positive
vote
and
I
hope.
I
hope
that
we
don't
look
back
two
weeks
from
now
and
say
gosh
I
wish
we
would
have
waited.
Nothing
would
make
me
happier
than
to
be
wrong
about
that.
So
I
hope
the
legislature
doesn't
do
anything
that
screws
up
what
we're
trying
to
do
tonight.
If
it
does
then
I
guess
we're
just
gonna
have
to
come
back
and
fix
what
we're
doing
tonight.
C
AN
You
so
much
I
had
my
hand
raised
you
just
didn't
see
me.
I
was
gonna
say
even
though
Bob's
motion
fell
earlier.
AN
I
did
agree
with
him
because,
as
of
right
now,
on
the
house
floor,
there
are
debates
that
is
happening
and
there
are
amendments
being
made
to
this
bill.
So,
ultimately,
the
bill
I
mean
I
trust
that
Carl
Castillo
is
keeping
all
of
us
abreast
of
what's
going
on
at
the
legislature
But.
Ultimately,
there
could
be
change
through
throughout
this
process.
We're
on
second
reading
we're
going
on
third
reading.
AN
There
could
be
cow
amendments
so,
but
we've
already
voted
I
will
vote
yesterday
again
because
we're
doing
great
work
and
that
just
ensure
that
staff
continue
on
with
the
work
and,
if
they're
strict.
If
we
have
to
trip
the
work
as
we're
moving
forward,
then
so
be
it,
but
I
did
agree
with
Bob's
proposition
at
first.
Thank
you.
C
AD
AD
AD
I
I
would
like
to
have
some
time
to
think
about
how
we
schedule
this
in
if
there
are
changes
and
anyway,
so
that's
just
just
want
to
say,
like
I'm,
not
saying
we're,
I'm,
not
interested
in
changing
things
down
the
road
I,
just
I
with
how
full
our
work
plan
is.
I
would
really
like
to
be
thoughtful
about
how
we're
changing
that
and
not
be
trying
to
kind
of
rush
to
react
to
to
the
bill.
So
I
think
we've
got
you
know.
We've
got
two
years
I.
AD
Think
we've
got
a
lot
of
folks
here
who
are
very
interested
in
making
sure
that
that
we're
adjusting
to
the
bill
if
we
need
to
so
anyway,
but
thank
you.
A
B
C
D
L
X
AF
AC
AG
Right
council's
I
was
hoping
we
could
tackled
this
earlier
in
the
meeting
we've
been
receiving
a
number
of
emails
with
regarding
South
Boulder,
rec
center
and
rumors
of
its
imminent
closure.
It
seems
so
I
was
hoping
that
perhaps
our
esteemed
city
manager
could
respond
to
those
rumors
and
sort
of
help
set
some
of
the
record
and,
of
course,
maybe
some
of
that
process
straight
for
the
community.
AH
I
just
ask
a
quick
process:
question
which
is
is
I,
don't
know
that
we've
moved
on
to
discussion
or
debrief
and
I
don't
want
to
I,
don't
know
if
it's
appropriate
to
do
this
under
Matters
from
mayor
and
counselor
city
manager
attorney.
So
if
you
could
just
make
sure
that
we're
at
where
we
need
to
be
in
the
agenda
for
that
question,.
AC
AD
Right
so
this
came
out
of
the
racial
Equity
committee
a
couple
weeks
ago,
and
they
were
talking
about
how
they're,
starting
to
roll
out
the
role
of
government
training
that
I
think
most.
If
not
all,
of
us
have
taken
at
this
point
for
board
and
commission
members
and
that
they
were
trying
to
recruit
board
and
commission
members
to
take
these
trainings.
AD
And
so
one
of
the
things
that
we
talked
about
there
was
having
a
letter
or
email
be
sent
on
behalf
of
council
to
the
board
and
commission
members
just
encouraging
them
to
take
this
training.
So
that
was
kind
of
the
question
for
Council
is:
would
folks
be
supportive
of
council
sending
out
an
email
to
recommend
board
and
commission
members
take
this
training
and
if
so,
how
would
we
like
to
do
that?.
AH
C
Do
we
have
any
other
items?
Can.
AD
I
mention
one
one
more
thing
just
about
that,
but
I
think
the
trainings
were
starting
up
really
soon.
The
first
one
was
maybe
sometime
late,
May
or
early
June,
so
I
guess
I'm
I'm
just
wondering
if,
if
somebody
is
able
to
draft
that,
if
we
can
kind
of
all
commit
to
looking
it
over
and
and
getting
feedback
back
relatively
quickly,
so
that
this
will
be
useful.
AD
C
AC
So
thanks
so
much
council
member
Benjamin,
so
the
the
reports
of
the
demise
of
the
South
Boulder
Rec
Center
are
greatly
exaggerated,
that
it's
not
what
is
happening.
I
will
make
sure
that
our
director
of
Parks
and
Recreation
sends
out
a
hotline
and
more
detail,
but
they
are
in
the
midst
of
Parks
and
Rec.
In
the
midst
of
sort
of
doing
planning,
it
is
outdated
building
and
certainly
some
of
the
questions
are.
Do
we
serve
you
well
and
what
other
things?
Perhaps
would
you
like
to
see
in
the
rec
center?
AC
So
there
has
been
in
the
survey
I
believe
there
is
the
word
repurpose
and
perhaps
folks
have
taken
that
to
mean
that
we
are
doing
something
away,
we're
doing
away
with
the
building,
and
that
is
not
the
case,
but
we
certainly
want
to
know
that
if
there
is
more
of
an
interest
in
one
activity
versus
another,
then
we'd
like
to
know
what
that
is.
So
I
will
ask
the
director
to
send
you
a
much
more
comprehensive
note
in
the
morning,
but
please
know
that
we
are
not
indeed
closing
South
Boulder,
Rec
Center.
AH
I,
just
comment
on
on
the
repurpose
word
and
just
to
emphasize,
like
I,
was
surprised
when,
when
a
Community
member
wrote
that
that
was
verbiage
in
in
the
survey
and
I
I
do
think
that
repurposing,
a
building
sure
sounds
like
it
could
be.
You
know,
in
the
context
of
a
Parks
and
Rec
discussion,
becoming
something
that's
not
Parks
and
Rec,
so
that
would
be
really
helpful,
I
think
to
clarify
really
pointedly
and
I.
AH
Don't
know
if
we
can
change
a
survey
at
this
point,
but
if
we're
really
not
looking
at
repurposing
away
from
Parks
and
Rec
uses,
I
think
we're
we're
freaking
people
out.