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A
A
All
right
we're
gonna
call
to
order
the
Boulder
City
Council
study
session
of
February
26
2019.
We
have
a
couple
of
items
before
us,
the
first
one
deals
with
mobile
homes
and
the
second
one,
the
variety
of
issues
teed
up
for
us
by
the
Human
Relations
Commission.
Before
we
get
started
just
a
couple
of
things.
One
is
you
guys
may
recall
that
we
are
having
on
march
19th
and
20th
a
bunch
of
the
I.
A
Don't
know
how
many
tribes
are
coming
to
have
a
two-day
session
with
us,
and
you
may
recall
that
some
parts
are
open
to
the
public
and
all
of
us,
the
entire
City
Council
is
encouraged
to
come
and
then
other
parts
are.
You
know,
government-to-government
consultations,
so
only
two
council
members
can
attend
and
some
I'm
supposed
to
attend
to
do
the
pomp
and
circumstance.
You
know
this
will
be
circulating
for
people
to
sign
up
council
members,
so
it's
kind
of
complicated
but
it'll
circulate
during
the
meeting.
I
guess
that's.
B
Gonna
do
one
other
housekeeping
thing
yeah.
We
also
to
receive
today
an
email
from
Jennifer
Faris
at
the
deputy
director
of
the
library,
with
draft
poll
for
the
library
board
member.
We
could
read
a
few
months
ago
that
we
had
to
pull
the
community
on,
but
Solis
and
I
have
served
on
the
polling
committee
with
Johnny
Teeter
him
as
well.
The
poll
that
you
got
in
your
mailboxes
today
is
the
product
of
three
or
four
means
that
we've
had
so
he
would
all
respond
back
to
Jennifer
by
a
week
from
today.
A
Okay,
I
guess
the
only
other
thing
I
want
to
tell
you
is
that
the
u.s.
36
mayors
and
commissioners
coalition
going
to
DC
tomorrow
for
a
new
Lobby
trip
with
all
the
muckety-mucks
around
here
to
go
and
pitch
a
couple
of
our
transportation
projects,
and
yes
I'm
going
on
that,
but
even
the
last
time
anyhow,
just
just
know
that
and
I'm
going
to
send
around
all
the
materials
to.
So
you
can
be
aware
of
the
messages
about
the
specific
projects
for
pitching,
but
just
an
FYI
to
all
of
you.
C
C
Yes,
our
presentation
is
in
Spanish
here
as
well,
so
I'm
Kurt
for
an
hour
director
of
housing,
Human
Services
and
this
evening
we're
going
to
be
talking
with
you
about
an
update
to
the
manufactured
home
strategy
and
I'm
joined
tonight
by
Brenda
written
our
crystal
Lander
and
Jeff
yin
and
Erin.
Poe
is
also
here
and
Jeff.
Arthur
is
here.
If
we
have
any
infrastructure
discussions
as
well.
C
C
But
the
thing
I
found
interesting
is
that,
like
her
and
other
families,
they
have
a
sister
or
a
brother
or
aunt
or
a
mother
who
lived
down
the
street
with
their
families
and
it
really
creates
a
special
place,
and
so,
if
you
could
go
to
the
next
slide,
I'll
just
read
a
quote
from
from
her.
At
present,
three
of
my
adult
children
have
purchased
mobile
homes
in
the
Mapleton
in
Mapleton,
and
a
fourth
is
currently
in
the
closing
process.
C
I
have
come
to
value
the
unique
sense
of
community
fostered
in
Mapleton,
so
tonight
we're
going
to
look
at
three
well
we're
gonna
we're
going
to
start
off
by
giving
an
overview
of
some
of
the
city
initiatives
and
and
hi,
and
give
highlights
of
the
community
engagement
that
that's
occurred.
To
get
us
to
this
point
and
what
we
heard
from
the
community
and
then
we're
gonna
have
sort
of
five
areas
of
focus
that
we're
gonna
present
to
you
and
the
goal
is
to
get
feedback
from
you.
Are
these
the
right
areas
of
focus?
C
So
this
past
week
we
put
an
application
and
annexation
application
into
the
city.
It
includes
a
site
plan
and
really
a
plan
for
how
Ponderosa
would
be
developed
over
many
years
and
focusing
initially
on
the
infrastructure
and
getting
that
upgraded
and
then
gradually
replacing
some
of
the
older
homes
with
energy-efficient
homes
on
foundations.
C
There's
been
a
huge
amount
of
clean
engagement
on
that
and
we
have
a
resident
Leadership
Committee
there
that
meets
on
a
very
regular
basis.
We
have
office
hours
out
there
and
it's
a
tremendous
community
going
through
some
very
difficult
change
and
it's
it's
a
difficult
process
for
them,
but
we're
glad
that
they're
participating
in
letting
their
voices
now
and
around
having
input
to
what
their
community
will
be
like
in
the
future.
So
with
that
I'm
gonna
hand
it
over
I
think
to
Jeff.
Thank
you.
E
Good
evening,
I'll
give
you
a
short
overview
of
how
we
approach
development
development
of
a
manufactured
housing
strategy
will
provide
a
significant
amount
of
background
for
that's
drawn
from
the
memo
and
other
sources
talk
about
the
engagement
and
the
results
of
that
and
then
move
into
the
items
that
were
particularly
interested
in
hearing
from
you
about
the
proposed
principles
for
decision-making
around
manufactured
housing
communities
and
then
the
areas
of
focus
for
developing
work
plan
items.
Potentially,
the
approach
has
been
to
divide
this
project
into
three
phases.
E
We've
completed
the
first,
which
is
that
of
inquiry
and
information
gathering,
and
we
have
presented
that
to
you,
we're
in
the
middle
of
the
second
right
now
with
you
to
try
and
sort
what
we
learned
into
something
that's
actionable,
and
then
our
third
phase
of
this
will
be
to
flesh
out
those
actions
into
work,
plan,
items
that
or
can
then
be
prioritized
and
incorporated
into
work
plans.
If
you
so
direct
us,
the
input
we're
asking.
E
Is
you
know,
of
course,
if
you
have
thoughts
about
what
we
you
have
in
your
experience
or
what
you've
seen
from
what
we
have
gathered,
but
particularly
we're
hoping
to
hear
from
you,
as
Kirk
pointed
out,
if
the
areas
of
focus
are
the
right
ones,
if
some
should
be
prioritized
over
others
and
either
in
terms
of
work
effort
or
in
terms
of
calendaring.
That
would
be
particularly
useful.
E
Comp
plan
has
had
for
almost
two
decades
now
the
outlines
of
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
here,
which
is
to
preserve
the
parks
that
we
have
develop
new
ones,
if
possible
and
when
possible,
try
and
find
opportunities
for
residents
to
own
and
control
their
communities
and
then
to
address
health
and
safety
issues,
ideally
before
they
happen.
So
those
are
the
main
components
of
the
adopted
policy.
You'll
see
the
strategy
as
we've
developed.
It
is
organized
around
these
and
has
some
actions
or
orc
plan
items
that
could
address
them
and
in
many
different
ways.
F
So,
to
begin
with,
2.8
percent
of
boulders
housing
stock
is
manufactured
housing,
that's
about
1,300
units
and
I.
Think
the
significance
of
it
that
we
understand
is
that
it's
a
detached,
relatively
affordable
housing
stock
and
there
are
four
communities
located
inside
the
city
limits,
so
that's
Boulder,
Meadows,
Mapleton,
Orchard,
Grove
and
Vista
Village.
Those
communities
were
built
all
between
50
and
60
years
ago.
All
of
these
communities
have
pretty
much
in
your
zero
occupancy
or
a
zero
percent
occupancy
I'm,
sorry
vacancy
so
they're
they're
all
fully
occupied,
and
it's
been
that
way.
F
An
orchard
Grove
have
a
higher
share,
so
some
of
the
work
that
we
also
did
is
for
the
memo
was
to
reach
out
to
the
mobile
the
manufactured
home
community
owners
and
then
also
to
residents
to
understand,
what's
happening
with
rents
and
rent
increases
in
those
communities.
Currently,
the
market
rate
rents
in
the
market
rate.
Excuse
me,
the
market
rate
rents
in
Vista,
Village,
Oranje,
Grove
and
Boulder
Meadows
are
arranged
between
725
and
800,
and
we've
also
looked
at
these
rent
creep
increases
over
time
and
for
market
rate
manufacturer
home
communities.
F
F
So
a
little
more
background
on
on
have
been
underway
since
2015,
when
we
did
our
last
study
session
focal
focus
on
manufactured
housing.
We
have
a
we've,
had
a
manufactured
home
community
consultant
for
four
years,
really
focused
on
developing
the
collective
voice
of
residents
through
by
supporting
HOAs,
also
a
citywide
resident
organization
called
Sima
or
the
Coalition
of
manufactured
homeowners
of
Boulder,
and
then
also
helping
to
get
the
Colorado
Coalition
of
manufactured
homeowners,
which
is
a
statewide
organization,
established
that
the
manufactured
home
consultant
helped
to
inform
ordinance
8216,
which
is
on
the
next
slide.
F
They
also
there.
We
had
a
1999
manufactured
homeowner
handbook
that
was
updated
by
the
consultant,
and
then
we've
had
two
consultant
teams,
and
so
we've
had
with
with
their
support
to
fall.
Programs
on
manufactured
housing
have
occurred
and
there's
been
a
shift
more
and
more
towards
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
do
more.
Inclusive
engagement
in
these
communities
so
background
on
ordinances,
80
43
in
8216,
so
those
ordinance
where
ordinances
were
passed
in
the
last
five
years
and
the
purpose
of
them
really
was
advancing.
F
A
manufactured
homeowner
protections
ordinance
80-43,
passed
in
2015
limits
manufactured
home,
community
owners
ability
to
prohibit
the
sale
of
pre
seventy
six
homes.
It
also
limited
required
upgrades
to
existing
manufactured
homes
and
it
and
it
placed
the
responsibility
of
tree
maintenance
on
the
owners
of
the
manufactured
home
communities.
And
then
the
second
ordinance
passed
in
2017
focused
on
the
right
to
privacy
of
manufactured
homeowners,
prohibited
retaliation
by
manufactured
homeowners
or
manufactured
home
community
owners
and
also
introduced
mandatory
mediation.
I.
G
E
The
enforcement
provisions
are
contained
in
the
code
and
rely
on
action
taken
by
people
who
believe
a
violation
has
occurred.
The
procedure
then,
and
I'll
probably
defer
to
our
city
attorneys
if
my
overview
is
not
sufficiently
detailed,
is
essentially
to
provide
us
a
notice
of
a
potential
violation
to
the
parties.
In
some
cases,
it's
required
to
be
that
they're
required
under
the
ordinance
to
enter
into
mediation.
E
G
Will
I
understand
all
of
that,
but
I
guess
my
question
goes
more
to
the
which
ties
into
the
prohibition
of
retaliation.
If
it's
an
individual
or
whether
or
not
it
is,
can
be
the
homeowners
association
itself,
how
many
times
does
this
happen?
What
kind
of
response
is
there,
and
maybe
those
don't
all
have
to
be
answered
right
at
this
moment,
but
I
think
in
terms
of
putting
teeth
into
some
of
these
items
that
we've
heard
about
in
your
in
your
memo
that
that
would
be
helpful.
H
Really
the
it's
like
most
of
our
code
enforcement,
its
complaint
based
in
some
areas.
We
have
dedicated
resources
to
have
more
proactive
enforcement.
This
isn't
one
where
we've
done
that,
so
it
goes
with
all
of
the
other
enforcement
that
we
do
for
code
violations.
So
that's
something
that
you
could
consider
is
whether
or
not
we
want
to
provide
dedicated
resources.
G
F
We're
also
looking
at
county
powers
to
regulate
and
enforce
the
mobile
home
park
act
and
then
extending
time
to
move
or
sell
a
mansion
home
upon
eviction
and
then
I
know,
there's
a
lot
of
interest
in
in
amending
the
mobile
home
park
act,
and
it
just
seems
that
generally,
there
should
be
that
some
stakeholder
engagement
would
need
to
happen
and
inform
at
2019
22.
So
that
would
happen.
Kind
of
2019
2020
is
how
we're
looking
at
that
to
figure
out
what
exactly
it
might
be.
F
I
So
it
has
been
my
honor
and
pleasure
to
support
the
community
engagement
portion
of
this
work,
we've
gotten
to
talk
to
many
stakeholders,
and
so
it's
I'm
happy
to
be
able
to
share
that
work
with
you
tonight
as
you'll
see
in
front
of
you
on
the
slide,
we've
really
been
trying
to
follow
our
new
community
engagement
process,
which
really
is
the
decision-making
process
we're
trying
to
adopt
as
a
city.
So
you
can
see
because
of
the
timing
of
when
this
project
started,
we've
been
able
to
fully
utilize
the
decision-making
wheel.
I
So
we
worked
to
define
the
issue
before
we
started.
We
determine
who
we
needed
to
speak
to
who
we
needed
to
bring
into
the
process,
and
then
we
really
did
go
to
the
community
to
ask
them
how
they
would
like
to
be
involved
before
we
went
out
with
our
questions,
and
that
was
an
interesting
process.
I'll
explain
that
in
a
on
the
next
slide,
we
created
the
plan.
We
did
the
plan,
which
was
the
sharing
information,
a
foundation
of
information
and
inquiry,
and
now
we're
here
with
you
to
work
on
identifying
those
options.
I
So
so
really
we
went
with
the
first
primary
audience
of
stakeholders,
which
was
our
manufactured
housing
residents,
and
the
owners
and
management
was
very
important
to
us
to
get
both
sides
of
that
story,
and
we
asked
them
how
they'd
like
to
be
involved,
and
we
were
surprised
by
the
answer
and
grateful
that
we
asked
we
had
thought.
Maybe
this
is
an
opportunity
to
bring
everyone
into
a
room
together
to
have
conversations
together
and
that
didn't
quite
fit
with
with
how
everyone
wanted
to
engage.
I
Everyone
wanted
to
have
the
comer
and
where
they
were
really
able
to
bring
forward
the
things
that
were
important
to
them
and
that
they
needed
us
to
hear.
So
we
did
a
staff
led
process
where
each
of
us
took
part
in
meeting
with
parts
of
each
of
the
communities
separately.
So
we
met
with
residents
in
various
ways.
We
met
with
the
owners
and
management
in
various
ways.
I
We
then
also
took
that
out
to
agency
partners
outside
of
our
organization
and
internal
departments
inside
the
organization,
and
we
asked
them
essentially
the
same
questions
so
while
they
were
in
different
rooms,
but
we
were
asking
for
the
same
information
really.
What
we
were
talking
about
is
what
you
see
there:
the
value
of
manufactured
housing
communities
to
each
person.
We
spoke
with
the
challenges
that
they
see
of
the
type
of
housing
and
their
ideas
for
the
preservation
and
expansion.
I
We
engaged
in
a
lot
of
different
ways
and
we
created
a
webpage
that
had
a
lot
of
the
background
information
on
it
and
a
survey
that
people
could
take
online
in
English
or
Spanish.
We
sent
out
project
email
updates
when
they
were
relevant
on
that
webpage.
People
could
sign
up
for
that
list.
We
ended
up
with
over
100
names
on
that
list.
As
I
said,
we
met
with
owners
and
managers
for
each
of
the
four
parks.
We
did
resident
outreach
in
a
lot
of
different
ways.
I
We
went
to
see
mob
meetings,
we
had
a
table
at
Thal
forum,
we
had
a
table
at
Vista
villages
holiday
party,
which
they
were
nice
enough
to
invite
us
to.
We
also
used
some
of
the
best
practices
we've
learned
at
Ponderosa.
We
really
resourced
each
engagement
with
bilingual
support
and
with
childcare
so
that
it
could
be
as
accessible
as
possible.
We
did
have
monolingual
and
bilingual
people
participate
from
at
least
three
of
the
parks.
So
we
felt
good
about
getting
that
message
out.
I
We
also
did
a
lot
of
flyering
of
doors,
particularly
in
Orchard,
Grove
and
Boulder
Meadows,
where
it's
been
a
harder
to
engage.
We
put
flyers
on
every
door
in
each
of
those
parks
with
ways
that
people
could
get
involved
and
then,
as
I
said,
we
met
with
about
nine
outside
agencies
and
about
15
different
internal
departments
to
get
those
ideas
and
values
and
challenges
as
well.
I
So,
as
I
said,
we
talked
about
values,
concerns
proposed
ideas
and
solutions.
We
got
over
300
different,
unique
ideas
and
heard
repeats
of
many
of
those
ideas
from
people
we
talked
overall
to
over
a
hundred
people.
The
topics
that
really
rose
to
the
top
you'll
see
on
the
slide
housing,
which
really
is
about
the
stock
about
the
homes
themselves,
about
the
types
of
housing
that
could
be
in
the
parks,
the
types
of
housing
that
are
in
the
parks
now
how
to
preserve
them,
how
to
make
them
be
viable
into
the
future.
I
Preservation
of
the
communities,
development
of
new
communities,
alternative
ownership
options,
including
resident
ownership,
which
our
residents
have
taken
a
lot
of
time,
to
inform
themselves
about
support
of
diversity
and
inclusion.
A
lot
of
supporting
those
practices
that
we're
trying
to
institute
for
making
sure
that
everyone
who
lives
in
the
parks
is
informed
and
involved
when
they
need
to
be
and
manufactured
housing,
resident
and
owner
management
relations.
A
lot
of
ideas
came
up
around
how
those
relationships
could
really
strengthen.
E
Addition
to
learning
from
people
that
we
talked
to
and
with
about
these
issues
we
also
conducted
some
research.
We've
clearly
done
a
fair
amount
of
work
on
this
in
the
past,
so
that
formed
a
foundation.
But
we
did
a
variety.
We
consulted
a
variety
of
sources
and
people
at
national
organizations
and
other
communities
and
and
saw
what
resources
were
out
there
to
try
and
assemble
a
list
of
ideas
that
was
as
comprehensive
as
possible
for
ideas
that
seemed
relevant.
There's
a
list
of
those
on
page
11
in
the
packet
and
the
memo.
E
If
you
want
to
dive
in
I,
also
want
to
thank
to
use
sustainable
Community,
Development,
Law
Clinic
they
can
in
partnership.
They
conducted
a
an
analysis
of
all
50
states,
relevant
legislation
for
manufactured
housing,
communities,
which
is
one
of
the
attachments
ba
to
help
us
identify
what
is
going
on
in
other
states,
and
clearly
much
of
that
is
being
applied
to
our
discussions
around
what
would
make
sense
to
do
with
the
Colorado
manufacturer
mobile
home
park
act,
but
it
also
has
local
relevance
and
we've
drawn
from
that.
E
E
So
we
would
like
to
go
through
those
three
principles
that
we're
proposing
and
then
the
actions
and
then
get
your
feedback.
The
principles
were
really
an
outgrowth
of
what
were
fairly
clear
themes
that
we
heard
from
talking
with
people
and
by
far
the
most
prominent
among
those
in,
and
this
includes
park
owners
agencies
departments
as
affordability
is.
This
is
one
of
the
very
important
things
this
housing
option
offers
is
a
relatively
affordable
housing
product
that
provides
a
living
opportunity
that
you
can't
find
in
other
ways.
E
D
E
No
more
expensive
than
comparable
rental
properties,
so
we
will
be
interested
in
your
thoughts
on
that
next,
please,
the
second
one
we
chose-
and
we
heard
from
everyone.
If
we
want
to
keep
these
parks
permanent
as
a
permanent
feature
on
our
community,
they
have
to
be
economically
viable.
They
have
to
provide
a
safe
and
healthy
and
well,
ideally
well
maintained
living
environment,
and
that
applies
to
the
community's
infrastructure,
Common
Spaces,
roads,
etc
and
the
homes
themselves.
As
crystal
pointed
out,
most
of
these
communities
were
built
4050
years
ago.
E
Not
you
know,
all
housing
needs
to
be
updated
over
time,
and
so
that's
part
of
this
is
how
well
the
communities
can
continue
to
function
and
the
housing
can
continue
to
serve
the
people
that
live
there.
The
parks,
if
they
do
not
operate
in
in
a
financially
viable
way,
will
end
up
either
needing
additional
funding.
In
many
places
they
will
close
because
they
can't
afford
the
investments.
E
So
that's
why
you
see
that
there
and
then
the
third
principle
worsen
thing
is,
and
we
heard
loud
and
clear-
is
that
the
each
of
these
parts
provides
a
really
strong
community.
It
provides
an
opportunity
for
people
to
live
in
a
way
that
other
neighborhoods,
don't
the
community
members
value
living
in
that
particular
type
of
housing
with
their
neighbors
in
a
way
that
is
very
strong
and
has
quite
a
significant
value
to
them.
E
One
thing
that
you
will
see
in
the
near
future
is
a
collaboration
with
the
boulder,
affordable
housing
research
initiative
out
of
CU
to
really
accomplish
if
we
can,
as
best
as
we
can
be
done,
a
census
as
it
were,
of
Park
residents.
So
we
have
a
better
sense
of
the
demographics
of
who
lives
in
the
parks
what
their
particular
resources
and
possible
vulnerabilities
might
be.
So,
although
we
weren't
able
to
get
that
information
compiled
yet
that
is
a
feature
of
this
project
that
we'll
be
able
to
inform
the
actions
as
we
move
forward.
E
So
we
have
are
proposing
these
three
principles.
They
were
built
off
of
the
community
input
and
the
research
that
we've
done
as
a
way
of
trying
to
guide
the
decision-making
around
what
we
should
be
doing.
They
weren't
meant
to
be
all
inclusive.
There
is
an
important
area,
our
theme
that
came
out
of
our
conversations,
which
was
the
need
for
the
desire
for
improvements
in
the
relationship
between
park
owners
and
residents.
We
thought
about,
including
that
and
decided,
is
a
decision-making
principle
for
the
city.
E
It
would
be
difficult
because
we
don't
have
much
ability
to
influence
that
we
have
a
lot
of
ability
to
encourage.
We
can
participate
in
some
ways
we
can
support,
but
ultimately
it's
not
something
that
we
can
control.
So
I
know
that
there
have
been
suggestions
about
accountability
being
a
principle.
We
considered
that
as
well.
E
We
had
two
main
reasons
for
not
proposing
it.
One
was
that,
on
the
one
hand,
we
think
anything
that
is
a
requirement
or
is
that
otherwise
is
something
that
should
people
should
be
held
accountable
for
that's
just
a
best
practice.
There
shouldn't
be
requirements
that
are
there's
no
mechanism
for
keeping
people
accountable,
so
it
felt
more
like
an
obvious
Prince
obvious
feature
to
include
in
anything
we
do.
The
other
was
many
of
the
things
that
could
support
these
principles.
Don't
have
an
accountability
feature
to
them.
E
If
we
develop
a
program
to
help
people
replace
their
homes,
that's
going
to
be
voluntary
almost
certainly
it
will
be
probably
a
financial
support
and
and
perhaps
some
negotiations,
but
there's
not
really
an
accountability
approach
to
it.
So
that
was
our
rationale
and
it
is
something
we
believe
is
very
important.
We
just
aren't
defining
it
as
a
principle
so
moving
on,
then
we
took
all
the
information
we
gathered,
our
research,
the
past
actions.
E
They
as
you'll,
see
in
the
next
few
slides
that
they
include
multiple
options
or
actions
from
that
list
and
attachment
C.
So
they
are
there's
no
one-to-one
correspondence
there
and
we
did
that
because
there
are
several
paths
to
accomplish
the
goals
that
found
in
each
of
these
work
areas,
and
we
thought
that
the
analysis
for
those
was
overlapping
and
we
would
want
to
investigate
in
multiple
ways
of
accomplishing
an
outcome
so
pad
rent
stabilization
is
clearly
linked
to
affordability.
It's
a
principle
concern
of
residents.
There
are
a
variety
of
ways
of
getting
there.
E
Clearly
the
infrastructure
in
the
parks
because
it
delivers
vital
services
to
Park
residents
is
of
concern,
as
we've
seen
recently.
It
can
be
very
disruptive
and
there
are
many
ways
of
addressing
ways
of
ensuring
that
those
vital
services
are
delivered
to
community
residents
and
the
variety
of
ways
to
accomplish
that.
E
E
Solar,
photovoltaic
in
mobile
manufacture,
housing
communities-
and
there
are
barriers
to
that
that
we
can
look
at
ways
the
city
might
be
able
to
help
or
others
might
be
able
to
help
address
that
and
replacing
a
replacement
of
homes
can
not
always
but
can
result
in
significant
energy
savings
for
the
individual
homeowners,
as
well
as
the
community
at
large
and,
as
was
pointed
out
in
the
email
to
you
today.
There's
the
part
of
the
analysis
of
that
would
be
to
determine
whether
that
can
be
accomplished
through
retrofitting
existing
homes.
E
We
have
a
little
bit
of
experience
with
that,
but
we
want
to
look
at
that
and
more
depth
if
this
is
an
area
that
you
direct
us
to
do
so
we
can
step
back
if
you'd,
like
I'm,
so
an
infrastructure
we
identified
or
people
identified
many
ways.
We
could
accomplish
the
goal
of
ensuring
that
the
infrastructure
continues
to
function
well,
not
only
immediately,
but
over
as
it
ages
further
gets,
replaced
and
upgraded.
So
there
are
a
variety
of
paths
for
doing
that.
E
E
Yeah
one
of
the
things
that
was
identified,
our
current
mobile
home
zone
and
our
land
use
requirements
was
generated
a
long
time
ago
and
really
hasn't
been
used
for
a
new
park
yet
and
creates
some
complications
for
replacing
of
homes
in
existing
parks.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
our
land
use
code,
our
zone
and
other
design
guidelines
actually
supports
the
outcomes
we
want.
E
So
if
we
want
to
have
a
new
park
that
meets
certain
goals
or
new
community,
let's
make
sure
our
zone
is
something
that
could
be
used
right
off
the
shelf
so
that
we
don't
have
to
negotiate
that
if,
as
part
of
creating
a
new
community,
so
we
are
proposing
to
take
a
look
at
that.
Our
zone
currently
doesn't
allow
for
many
housing
options
in
manufactured
housing
communities.
Many
people
suggested
that
we
perhaps
it
should
and
in
some
cases,
shouldn't
allow
for
different
kinds
of
housing,
so
that's
included
there
as
well
and
then.
E
Finally,
the
fifth
area
that
we
are
suggesting
is
licensing,
whether
you
consider
registration
or
licensing
some
way
of
as
a
community
establishing
standards,
whether
it's
for
infrastructure
or
various
forms
of
operation
and
the
relationship
between
the
owner
and
the
and
the
tenants
or
the
residents
who
lease
land
from
that
owner.
So
there
are
some
licensing
programs
out
there
and
stay
at
the
state
level
or
local
level
that
we
could
model
on
and
worth
investigating.
E
We
believe
we
also
suggest
in
looking
at
the
long
list
of
60-plus
actions
that
people
had
suggested,
or
we
came
up
with.
There
are
a
few
that
we
don't
think
are
really
big
work,
efforts
that
we
think
with
some
outreach
with
a
little
more
research
we
could
decide
or
find
out
whether
they're,
viable
or
could
move
forward.
I
won't
go
through
them,
but
they're
listed
here,
the
one
under
the
city
action
that
is
a
particular
interest,
I
think,
is
a
suggested
program.
E
That
would
be
an
alternative
if
someone
can
no
longer
maintain
their
residency
in
a
manufactured
housing
community
rather
than
using
an
eviction
path.
There
might
be
alternatives
that
would
give
people
more
support,
help
them
move
more
slowly
out
without
creating
a
financial
hardship
for
the
park
owner,
enable
them
to
have
more
time
to
sell
their
home
Empire
or
relocate
it.
If
need
be.
E
E
We've
requested
a
July
time
to
bring
you
the
fully
thought-out
and
prioritized
or
suggested
prioritization
of
work
items
and
the
full
scoping
of
them
following
as
you'll
see
analysis
another
round
of
communication
engagement
with
all
of
the
stakeholders
and
drafting
the
work
product
that
would
go
to
boards
and
commissions.
We
are:
we've
tentatively
proposed
going
to
the
housing
advisory
board,
Planning
Board,
Human,
Relations,
Commission
and
youth
opportunities,
Advisory
Board,
subject
to
your
your
desire
to
hear
from
those
boards,
I
suppose
and
say:
advise
you.
So
that's
our
plan
from
here.
E
We
have
four
questions
for
you
really
do
you
have
any
feedback
on
what
we've
presented?
What
you've
read
are
you?
How
do
you
feel
what
do
you
think
about
the
decision
making
principles
and
that
approach
of
music
using
those
to
guide
how
we
move
forward?
We
have
a
brief
summary
of
the
engagement
we
plan
to
use
very
many
of
the
same
tools
and
same
approach
that
we've
used
so
far.
E
J
J
Of
rental,
okay,
thank
you
and
then
I
know.
You
went
over
this
at
some
length,
but
I
was
just
a
little
confused
about
the
accountability.
So
the
discussion
that
you
held
around
that
it
seems
to
me,
like
some
of
the
five
groups
of
actions
that
we're
talking
about,
do,
have
a
significant
accountability
component
to
them.
That
would
drive
some
amount
of
decision-making,
such
as
infrastructure,
obviously
or
if
we
licensing
or
warrants
of
serviceability
any
of
those
seem
to
me,
along
with
operational
things,
to
have
an
accountability
component
to
it.
E
Out
one
of
the
things
we
added
was
believe
it
was
a
CAC
request
is
which,
which
would
require
legal
analysis
and
you'll,
see
a
whole
lot
of
asterisks
out
there.
Part
of
that
is
how
do
you
ensure
that
we
can
get
the
outcome?
We
want
with
any
policy
actions
that
we
take.
So
that
is
an
accountability
feature,
and
that
was
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
that.
The
legal
analysis
would
be
not
only.
E
J
Right
I
mean
that
that's
well
said.
It
certainly
seems
to
me,
like
accountability,
is
a
big
part
of
you
know.
Making
all
of
this
hang
together.
I
would
just
put
out
there.
We
can
have
it
for
discussion.
I
just
wanted
to
understand
a
little
better.
I
certainly
think
there
are
uncertainties
here
clearly
going
forward,
but
the
accountability
is
I.
Think
a
driving
goal
of
being
able
to
hold
the
ownership
accountable
to
good,
fair
service
to
the
community
members.
Well,
can.
A
A
I
If
I
may
add
and
I
think
also
part
of
our
discussion
has
was
with
the
principles
was
really
trying
to
boil
it
down
to
three
factors
that
could
apply
to
all
of
all
the
things
we
were
proposing
across
the
board.
We
did
definitely
bounce
accountability
off
these
ideas,
as
we
were
discussing
them
and
and
as
Jeff
was
saying,
they
are
part
of
the
analysis
of
many
of
them,
but
we
were
really
trying
to
hit
on
three
principles
that
would
apply
to
each
of
the
things
we
were
analyzing.
So
we
will.
G
K
E
Have
an
in-depth
understanding
of
all
the
barriers?
I,
don't
know
to
what
extent
they
are
local
versus,
potentially
Xcel,
potentially
Park
owner.
So
that
is
part
of
the
analysis
we
want
to
do.
We
have
heard
from
residents
in
particular
that
there
are
significant
barriers
to
doing
that.
I,
don't
know
my
teammates
have
any
better
understanding
of
that
or
not.
It
doesn't
look
like.
We
have
in-depth
knowledge
yet
you're.
K
Get
to
put
solar
panels
on
my
house,
it's
it's
kind
of
an
equity
thing,
and
so
people
should
be
able
to
put
solar
panels
on
their
houses
and
it
really
does
reduce
your
outlay
of
cash.
You
know,
and
so
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense
and
it's
where
the
city
wants
people
to
go.
So
definitely
I
want
to
look
at
that
and
then,
with
respect
to
the
land
use
code.
I
think
there
was.
Are
you
talking
about
like
setbacks,
anything
else
or
spacing?
K
F
K
K
J
J
Mary's
up
do
you
want
to
do
so?
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
Mary
requested
and
is
probably
for
Karl
to
put
something
out
on
was
the
rental
application
fee
house
bill
and
the
local
wage
option
house
bill.
I
would
also
add
that
when
Erin
and
I
visited
with
Casey
Becker
yesterday,
we
also
heard
that
one
of
the
things
on
the
table
is
the
longer
grace
period
at
eviction.
So
right
now
it's
48
hours
and
something
that
I
think
will
be
included
in
those.
E
I
may
take
them
sequentially
here,
so
I
did
speak
with
Karl
about
that.
He
reminded
me
that
you
have
a
legislative
update
with
him
next
week,
where
he'll
speak
to
those
questions.
Specifically
the
bill
for
considering
the
local
minimum
wage
was
just
introduced,
there's
a
and
with
strong
city
support.
You
know
he
will
be
planning
to
ask
you
about
the
rent
rental
application
fee
legislation
which
we
don't
know
haven't
looked
at
it
closely
enough
to
know
that
it
even
would
apply
to
manufactured
housing
communities,
but
certainly
to
rental
product
in
the
city.
E
So
you'll
be
getting
a
chance
to
talk
about
that.
Certainly
next
week,
the
48
hours
for
is
referring
to
the
time
allowed
to
remove
a
home
from
a
park
in
the
event
of
an
eviction,
and
that
is
something
that,
as
we
pointed
out,
we
are
proposing
for
hopefully
legislation
this
year
to
extend
that
to
significantly
longer
given
the
financial
and
logistical
barriers
of
removing
a
home
or
selling
it
yeah.
F
F
K
H
K
L
Just
to
piggyback
onto
that
some,
maybe
that's
something
that
would
would
be
fairly
doable
as
part
of
a
licensing
program,
but
maybe
it's
something
we
could
just
put
in
an
ordinance
separate
from
a
licensing
structure.
So
whatever
you
can
give
us
for
the
next
round
would
be
helpful,
because
I
agree
that
that's
a
priority
I
agree.
A
More
piggybacking,
the
one
thing
that
came
out
of
the
recent
Riverstone
incident
was
also
that
there
wasn't
a
uniform,
multi-faceted
way
to
communicate
with
everybody,
and
it
was
amazing
how
they
didn't
have
phone
numbers.
They
didn't
have
cell
phones,
they
didn't
know
like
it
was
like
it
never
occurred
to
them.
A
L
Not
directly
to
dad,
but
just
in
terms
of
the
community
engagement,
just
you
know,
we're
doing
a
lot
of
deep
engagement,
work
with
Ponderosa,
and
so
hopefully
the
next
phases
of
this
plan
will
be
part
of
what
you
engage
with
them
on
as
you
work
with
them
through
the
other
issues
that
you're
talking
to
them
about.
It
seems
like
a
good
opportunity.
A
J
On
principles,
I
mean
I,
think
the
three
that
you
have
outlined
are
very
important
and
they're
they're
good
touchstones
for
looking
at
specific
policies.
I,
don't
really
care
if
accountability
is
a
separate
line
item
or
if
it
gets
embedded
explicitly
so
that
it
is
very
clear
to
the
members
of
the
community
and
the
owners
of
these
facilities
that
we're
gonna
have
some
expectations
that
we're
going
to
continue
to
advance
I
mean
the
recent
event
or
tchard.
J
Grove
was
big
enough
that
we
need
to
be
thinking
about
what
that
tells
us
about
all
of
our
mobile
home
parks
and
so
I.
Think
accountability
is
what
the
residents
are
really
asking
for
here
and
they're
asking
for
us
to
dig
in
and
whether
it's
licensing,
which
I
think
is
a
very
interesting
idea,
whether
it's
a
warrant
of
serviceability,
whatever
penalties
that
would
bring
if
it
was
breached,
I
believe
that
there
are
outstanding
questions
still
and
so
making
it
clear.
J
Everyone
involved
that
we're
taking
this
quite
seriously
I
think
is
the
reason
why
people
are
asking
about
the
accountability.
So,
however,
you
want
to
manage
it.
I,
don't
really
care
if
it's
a
fourth
one
or
not,
just
that,
it's
clear
that
you
know:
vitality
requires
sewage
water.
You
know
roads
all
the
things
that
vitality
requires.
So
anyway,
it's
not
a
big
point
for
me
how
you
do
it,
but
I
really
think
people
are
looking
for
that
and.
A
Add
it
frankly,
I
feel
like
we
need
to
send
a
message
both
to
the
residents
that
we
got
their
backs
and
we
also
kind
of
need
to
let
the
park
owners
knows.
You
know
what
they
need
to
be
more
accountable,
especially
certain
ones
up
them.
I
would
just
go
ahead
and
just
put
it
out
there,
so
everybody's
clear,
I.
K
I
Good
point
of
clarification
that
it's
the
second
principle
is
actually
viability
as
opposed
to
vitality.
Well,.
A
G
A
J
I
can
go
over
Mary's
if
we
would
like
to
just
have
comments.
I
just
want
the
public
to
be
able
to
hear
them.
I
know
that
you've
you've
received
them
so
I
have
one
of
the
important
things
I
think
she
said
is.
As
priorities
are
established,
it
should
be
taken
into
consideration
that
this
is
about
reciprocity
and
equity
residents
at
the
various
parks
pay
into
water
and
sewer
that
they
do
not
receive
any
of
the
benefits
that
the
rest
of
the
boulder
community
sees.
So
that's
just
a
general
comment.
J
K
Can
I
colloquy
on
that
and
at
this
point
in
time
many
of
the
residents
can't
even
see
how
much
water
they're
actually
using
and
to
be
good
stewards
of
the
earth.
The
residents
do
want
to
know
how
much
water
they
are
actually
using,
there's
probably
a
park
fee
on
top
of
that,
but
I
think
we
need
to
get
to
a
point
where
we
can
look
at
meters
and
how
those
meters
might
happen,
and
we've
been
talking
about
this
for
I,
don't
know
many
years.
K
J
Okay,
another
thing
that
Mary
mentioned
is
whatever
the
method
used
to
establish
the
priorities.
It
should
Center
the
needs
of
the
residents
focusing
on
life,
safety,
health
and
well-being,
she's
concerned
with
I
think,
particularly
with
the
pad
rents
going
up
at
the
rate.
They
are
that
there's
gentrification
and
displacement
there
could
be
happening
as
a
result
of
that,
and
that's
something
that
we
should
address
per
se.
As
that
she
talks
about
enforcement,
and
then
she
also
talks
about
both
the
resilience
as
Lisa
mentioned,
but
also
putting
accountability
and
specifically,
and
then
yeah.
J
So
she
mentioned
like
Lisa
that
there
are
other
languages
besides
Spanish,
which
maybe
need
to
handle
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
and
then
she
mentions
that
the
open
space
master
plan
micro
engagement
approach
could
be
something
to
look
at
here
and
that's
just
her
earth
out
there
and
I
think
that's
it
for
her
list.
So.
A
J
I
mean
I
think
from
a
legislative
agenda
standpoint
we
may
need
to
bring
kind
of
our
particular
issues
that
are
related
to
rent
control
out,
specifically
and
Tom.
This
is
just
a
comment
for
you
to
think
about.
It's
not
clear
that
the
blanket
the
suspension
of
the
rent
control
preemption
is
going
to
go
through
in
that
way,
and
so
one
thing
that
we
heard
was,
if
you
have
specific
ass,
that
are
something
that
the
city
would
like
to
be
able
to
do
along
this
line.
J
It's
not
kind
of
the
classic
apartment,
rent
control
that
we
need
to
bring
that
forward.
So
if
indeed
we
do
hear
that
the
general
rent
control
preemption
bill
is
not
going
to
pass
I
think
we
need
to
have
two
or
three
specific
ask
this
being
one
of
them,
because
I
think
there
may
be
more
appetite
for
that
and
then
a
generic
bill.
Aaron.
Do
you
have
anything.
L
To
have
you
yeah
thanks
for
bringing
that
up,
Sam,
so
I'll
like
with
that,
and
you
know
we
are
just
talking
about
our
legislative
agenda
next
week,
side
I
have
a
request
to
y'all
city
staff.
If
we
could
get
a
thought
on,
if
there
are
targeted
ways
that
we
could
make
rent
stabilization
for
mobile
home
park,
pads
more
doable
with
a
change
to
the
state
statutes.
That
would
be
very
helpful
to
know
about,
because
Sam
and
I
both
heard.
L
You
know
the
whole
repeal
may
not
happen,
but
maybe
there's
some
openness
to
targeted
things
so
so
that,
on
this
topic,
I'd
really
like
to
hear
that
and
I'll
just
throw
up
while
we're
talking
about.
If
we
have
any
other,
we
have
a
couple
other
great
ideas,
a
little
targeted
ways
to
help
with
rent
stabilization
in
the
city
in
general.
Love
to
hear
your
ideas,
then.
Next
next
week.
E
Or
do
one
thing
I'd
like
to
just
make
clear,
is
we
have
some
examples
of
things
that
people
have
suggested?
I,
don't
want
you
to
think
that's
all
we
would
look
at
we
will
we
tried
to
frame
these
as
issues
or
goals
we're
trying
to
accomplish
if
we
can
accomplish
pad
rent
stabilization
and
an
error
in
a
way
that
we
haven't
heard
about
yet
or
that
isn't
up
there.
E
E
A
E
G
G
So
I
don't
so
that
one
may
be
one,
that's
already
been
fully
explored,
but
the
second
one
is
something
that
might
have
some
teeth
in
it.
So
in
in
going
through
these,
like
this,
when
I
looked
at
it,
I
thought
what
could
actually
make
a
difference
here
in
what
the
goals
are
for
the
communities.
So
we've.
I
L
Geoff
I
appreciate
that
thought
in
general
I'm
happy
to
have
you
all
go
work
on
this.
It's
a
great
list.
I
just
want
to
make
clear
that,
just
on
the
rent
stabilization
thing
that
we
have
potentially
a
hot
iron
right
now
at
the
legislature,
so
a
timeliness
to
that
bit
of
it
so
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
thinking
about
that
in
the
short-term,
not
just
with
everything
else.
I'm.
H
Just
gonna
confirm
that
all
the
whole
council
wants
us
to
work
on
potential
amendments
to
the
rent
stabilization
bill,
because
generally
we
we've
got
it
from
right
now
as
councils
direction
to
support
the
bill
as
it
is,
and
so
we
generally
don't
propose
amendments,
but
I've
heard
from
Sam
and
Aaron
that
that's
something
you'd
like
us
to
work
on
shortly
and
if
that's
the
will
of
the
council
will
certainly
do
that.
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that.
That's
what
that
is
so.
J
My
suggestion
I
think
Aaron's
as
well
is
this
is
a
plan.
B
I
mean
I.
Think
if
it
we
want
to
support
it,
as
is
if
it
could
pass.
That
would
be
fantastic
because
then
all
the
rest
of
these
things
would
naturally
be
allowed,
but
in
the
case
that
it
doesn't
pass-
and
you
can
ask
Carl
what
he
thinks
the
likelihood
is
I
think
it
would
be
great
to
have
not
an
amendment
to,
but
you
know
language
that
would
replace.
Essentially
it's
so.
H
K
K
A
So,
let's
go
to
the
next
one:
yeah
infrastructure
is
another
top
one,
given
what
we
just
experienced
at
Orchard
grove
or,
more
importantly,
the
residents
experience
it
or
it
should
grow
so
I'm
thinking
that
that
is
definitely
a
top
priority.
And
again
you
when
you
mentioned
these,
these
are
all
options
to
explore
and
obviously
you'd
bring
back
the
one.
That's
best.
J
A
Yes,
I
guess
this
is
a
question,
but
I
mean
it's
been
said,
but
I
guess
I
want
to
underscore
it.
Everybody
that
lives
in
the
city
is
entitled
to
some
basic
infrastructure
services
being
provided
like
water
and
sewer,
and
if
somebody
is
like
an
owner
park
owner
is
tasked
with
that
and
fails
like
there
has
got
to
be
some
mechanism
to
ensure
that
that
happens
or
that
they
pay
us
and
we
do
it
for
them
or
whatever.
A
A
Energy
efficiency,
so
I
guess
I,
would
say
yeah,
that's
important
to
us,
I
think.
Well,
it's
it
is
important.
I
think
we
need
to
get
basic
services,
I
mean
if
we
have
to
choose
I,
don't
think
you
have
to
choose,
but
if
we
had
to
choose
first,
let's
make
sure
that
basic
infrastructure
taken
care
of,
but
I
would
like
these
same
options
for
sustainability
to
be
available
to
everybody,
those
in
our
community,
whether
you
live
in
a
manufactured
home
or
not.
J
I
think
energy
efficiency
is
obviously
important,
that's
near
and
dear
to
my
heart,
but
it
also
isn't
as
important
as
water
and
sewer
necessarily
in
the
short
term.
So
I
would
prioritize
those
first
same
with
the
land
use
code.
I,
don't
really
know
what
you're
thinking
completely
there
I
mean
I've,
heard
setbacks
and
spacing,
and
so
on,
but
again
I
think
well,
that's
important
that
the
basic
services
and
making
sure
that
we
have
hooks
into
that
are
more
important.
K
K
That's
a
stick
belt
that
would
be
easily
put
on
a
frame
I
think
there
were
some
concerns
from
people
and
I
share
those
about
having
to
have
their
homes
for
placed
at
their
pre-1976
I've,
been
in
some
of
the
pre-1976
homes
and
some
of
the
people
that
have
really
made
them
very,
very,
very
nice
and
so
I
wouldn't
want
to
move
out
of
that.
But.
L
Aaron,
sorry,
just
one
more
additional
thought:
I
mean
I,
I
mean
I,
agree
with
the
basic
prioritization,
but
seems
like
there's
some
potentially
some
Ishi's
easy
stuff
like
energy
efficiency.
If
there's
some
easy
roadblocks
to
overcome
with
PV
solar,
for
example,
may
as
well
get
those
done
so
I
understand,
we
keep
them
all
on
the
list,
but
and
then
just
that
interplay
of
energy
efficiency
and
permanent
foundations,
which
we
don't
allow.
Currently,
you
know
how
different
kinds
of
manufactured
homes
going
forward,
particularly
were
exploring.
L
K
Of
the
things
that
came
up
in
my
discussion
with
miss
jurgis
was
that
we
talked
about
skirts
and
we
talked
about
energy
efficiency
of
the
skirts
and
stuff
like
that,
and
she
said
that
when
there
become
holes
or
drafts
are
in
there,
then
they
affect
the
pipes
and
so
I
guess
I'd
be
very
much
interested
in
looking
at.
How
do
we
help
people
with
skirts?
Or
do
we
do
that?
K
A
E
K
The
issue
of
parks,
new
parks
came
up
and
then
being
landlocked
and
limited
and
I
would
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
bring
up
my
favorite
topic
or
one
of
them,
which
is
putting
a
mobile
home
park.
Eventually
on
our
Municipal
Airport
that
serves
less
than
200
people,
we
could
serve
a
lot
more
people
using
making
a
new
mobile
home
park
at
at
least
some
of
our
land
at
the
airport
and
I
won't
be
here
when
you
get
to
talk
about
it
for
the
next
comp
plan.
E
Think
you
have
answered
our
questions
well
and
command,
giving
us
good
guidance
if
the
timeline-
and
if
there
are
no
comments
about
the
timeline,
that's
the
time
we'll
have
we'll
have
the
staff
resources
we
have
and
we
will
prioritize
developing
more
thoroughly
the
items
around
pad,
rent
stabilization
infrastructure
and
licensing
than
the
other
two.
With
the
time
we
have
available,
but
you'll
still
get
an
analysis
of
those
and.
E
Our
intent
is
to
take
each
of
these
to
do
some
more
work
with
other
staff
and
other
experts
to
try
and
scope
out
what
it
would
take
to
identify
which
options
have
the
most
promise.
What
the
pros
and
cons
might
be
and
then
bring
them
to
you
in
July
at
this
time
is
what
we
have
scheduled
to
get
your
direction
on
which
to
turn
into
actionable
work
items
and
move
forward
under
our
work
plans.
E
A
E
A
M
H
K
A
K
I
think
right,
I
do
want
to
say
thank
you
so
much
for
the
work
you've
done
on
this
and
I
feel
like
the
materials
presented
tonight
and
prepared
for
tonight.
We're
just
outstanding
and
I
just
want
to
thank
you
and
I
want
to
thank
the
community
out
there
in
the
mobile
home
park
owners
who
have
participated
in
a
constructive
way
and
let's
just
keep
the
dialogue
going,
and
we
can't
do
what
we
do
without
your
involvement.
So
keep
it
up
and
thank
you
for
all
your
involvement.
Well.
L
I'll,
second,
that
thank
you
to
the
mobile
home
park
residents
thanks
so
much
for
your
constructive
involvement
for
being
here
and
being
so
engaged
and
I
also
want
to
give
a
shout
out
to
the
folks
at
the
sustainable
Community
Development
Clinic
at
CU
law.
The
policy
analysis
was
really
helpful
and
I
was
actually
meeting
with
them
this
morning
on
some
different
topics
around
affordable
housing
and
homelessness.
It
was
very
impressed
with
their
dedication
and
knowledge
and
hard
working
attitude.
So
thanks
so
much
for
the
work
you've
done.
K
K
A
A
C
J
C
So
good
evening,
again,
I'm
kurt
for
an
hour
director
of
housing
human
services.
So
this
evening
we're
gonna
be
talking
about
three
items
and
just
to
give
you
I'll
do
a
little
brief
on
what
that
structure
will
look
like.
So
we
will
start
off
with
a
brief
presentation:
we'll
have
some
input
from
the
Human
Relations
Commission
person
who's
been
related
to
that
or
put
some
additional
efforts
into
those
items
and
then
we'll
have
the
discussion
so
there's
basically
three
sections
that
we'll
be
going
through
so
tonight,
clay
Fong
will
be.
N
So
that's
sort
of
self-explanatory
on
the
first
topic
on
the
issues
relating
to
voting.
The
first
question
for
counsel
is
the
City
Council
wish
to
move
forward
with
referring
voting
by
sixteen
and
seventeen
year
olds
and
municipal
elections
as
a
2019
ballot
initiative,
absent
a
citizen
led
initiatives.
The
second
question,
which
is
quite
similar,
is
the
City
Council
wish
to
move
forward
with
referring
voting
by
non-citizens
in
municipal
elections
as
a
2019
ballot
issue,
absent
the
citizen
led
initiative.
N
We
can
just
see
what
brief
outline
of
the
discussion
looks
like
tonight.
So
we'll
start
with
the
vote,
16-piece
and,
as
some
of
you
may
be
familiar
with
this
part
of
this-
originated
with
you,
AB
the
youth
opportunities,
Advisory
Board
and
in
terms
of
analysis-
and
you
know
this
has
happened
in
a
few
other
jurisdictions.
There's
some
reasonably
compelling
reasons
to
extend
the
voting
franchise
to
younger
people.
N
One
is
that
you're,
essentially
building
a
foundation
for
more
civic
participation
by
getting
people
started
more
young,
and
there
is
some
data
to
indicate
potentially
that
there's
a
longer-term
increase
in
voter
turnout.
The
other
piece,
too,
is
that
16
and
17-year
olds
are
impacted
by
local
policies,
maybe
more
than
somebody
younger.
You
know
at
they're,
at
an
age
where
they
may
start
driving
decisions
made
regarding
education,
public
welfare,
etc
start
to
have
more
of
an
impact,
and
you
know
they
might
have
on
them
if
they
were
younger
people.
N
Another
interesting
piece
and
I
suppose
this
goes
a
little
bit
to
sort
of
bring
development
issues
and
what-have-you
is
that
there's
the
body
of
evidence
indicates
that
individuals
in
this
age
group
are
equivalent
to
18
year
olds
and
relevant
capacities,
so
decision-making
analytical
skills
and
the
like
are
all
comparable
to
those
that
currently
enjoy
the
benefits
of
being
able
to
vote.
We've
had
some
municipalities,
Takoma
Park
in
Hyattsville,
Maryland
and
you'll
be
hearing
those
about
those
municipalities
again
a
little
bit
later.
They
have
adopted
this
and
what
they
have
found
is
they
found.
N
You
know
higher
level
of
civic
engagement
amongst
young
people,
and
you
know
in
things
like
civics
class
they're,
saying
folks
are
more
engaged
because
they
have
a
real
stake.
It's
no
longer
an
abstract
issue,
they're
also
seeing
more
engagement
on
the
part
of
some
political
candidates
and
people
bring
forward
certain
issues
with
young
people,
so
there's
really
a
greater
sense
of
sort
of
public
engagement
with
young
people
that
are
allowed
to
vote.
N
So
you
know-
and
this
is
a
little
bit
challenging
in
some
ways,
because
you
know
currently,
you
know
as
we
are.
You
know
my
current
understanding
right
now
is
that
you
know
until
city
council
decides
to
move
forward
on
this.
You
know
we're
not
to
expand
much
okay,
we're
not
to
expand
sort
of
city
resources
on
looking
into
this
further.
N
Until
you
know,
we
get
the
green
light
from
City
Council,
and
you
know
one
of
the
issues
that
we
have
not
been
able
to
look
at
or
what
are
the
real
costs
and
resources
involved
in
making
this
into
a
reality.
So
if
you
decide
to
move
forward
with
this,
that
is
something
that
we
would
need
to
assess
to
make
this
work.
You
know
we've
identified
three
options
to
move
this
forward.
One
is
working
with
the
boulder
county
clerk
and
recorders
office
to
allow
younger
city
of
boulder
residents
to
vote
on
a
city
ballot.
N
One
reason
for
doing
that
is
that
there
is
a
statewide
election
system
and
we
would
somehow
need
to
have
some
access
to
that
in
terms
of
the
registration
piece
and
then
I've
recently
learned
too,
that
we
would
not
be
able
to
have
access
to
that
unless
we
also
had
permission
from
the
Secretary
of
State
to
do
so.
So
that
would
be
part
of
the
issues
with
that.
The
other
would
be
that
the
city
of
Boulder
would
run
its
own
election
for
young
voters,
sort
of
independent
of
everything
else.
N
Again
we
don't
know
what
the
resources
involved
would
be
for
that.
So
that's
another
unknown.
The
last
plausible
option
is
to
explore
with
other
cities
in
Boulder
County
the
possibility
of
doing
the
expansion
of
the
franchise
countywide.
So
we
would
have
to
partner
up
with
all
the
other
jurisdictions
in
the
county
to
move
forward.
N
Somewhat
similar
analysis
exists
when
we
start
looking
at
the
issues
of
non
citizen.
Voting
like
young
people,
non-citizens
to
have
a
stake
in
local
policies,
and
decisions
made
through
a
democratic
process
can
have
a
very
real
impact
on
them.
The
second
point,
which
kind
of
reminds
me
of
some
of
the
schoolhouse
rock
kind
of
stuff,
is,
you
know,
non-citizens
pay
taxes,
but
are
unrepresented
in
can't
vote.
So
you
know
some
may
say
this
raises
a
question
of
you
know:
representation
and
taxation.
N
Again,
we've
seen
that
there
are
some
municipalities,
and
those
are
those
two
municipalities
that
we
had
earlier
mentioned
in
Maryland-
that
have
extended
the
franchise
to
non-citizens.
But
I
think
this
is
a
very
important
caveat.
It's
been
brought
to
our
attention
that
when
you
apply
for
citizenship
in
the
United
States,
there's
a
there's
a
questionnaire
and
one
of
the
questions
on
the
questionnaire
is
have
you
been
registered
to
vote,
and
this
creates
a
potentially
vulnerable
position
for
people
who
have
done
so.
So
this
is
a
detail
that
would
certainly
have
to
be
addressed.
N
It's
a
pretty
pressing
detail
so
that
if
someone
answered
in
the
affirmative
and
was
voting
in
a
boulder
municipal
election,
this
would
not
somehow
get
them
under
the
radar
of
ice
and
subject
them
to
difficulties
and
applying
for
citizenship
or
criminal
penalties.
So
I
think
that
would
be
the
major
concern
around
this
particular
piece
and
we
would
need
to
figure
that
out.
N
K
I'm
interested
in
seeing
this
I
think
the
process
of
having
a
citizen
led
initiative
is
actually
a
better
one,
because
it's
a
way
it's
a
platform
to
educate
the
community
about
it.
To
have
dialogue
about
the
the
issues
and
I
think
people
are
more
involved
so
that
when
the
ballot
initiative
appears
on
the
ballot,
people
are
more
informed
in
terms
of
their
voting.
For
it.
A
N
My
understanding-
and
this
is
prior
to
my
time,
taking
this
position-
is
that
when
this
was
really
brought
up
about
a
year
ago,
there
were
some
groups
that
had
expressed
some
grassroots
interest
in
that.
Since
then,
though,
we've
not
seen
anybody
reach
out
to
the
Human
Relations
Commission,
at
least
so
it's
hard
for
me
to
gauge
exactly
who
is
motivated
around
this
okay.
B
Just
two
questions
actually
for
Tom
I.
Think
Tom.
Can
you
remind
us
again
if
you
know
off
the
top
of
your
head?
We
change
recently
the
rule,
or
maybe
maybe
one
that
knows
this
rules
for
number
of
signatures
on
a
petition
and
also
when
the
deadline
is
for
submission
of
a
residence
petition
to
get
on
the
ballot.
Do
you
know
this
so.
M
A
N
Of
those
specifics,
we
don't
have
information
on,
but
we
can
certainly
find
out.
But
what
I've
been
led
to
understand
is
that
it
was
not
as
much
of
a
citizen
lead
process
as
it
could
have
been.
I
mean
Council
had
embraced
it,
but
I
understand
that
there
are
very
little
resources
and
very
little
public
engagement,
and
it's
arguable
that
the
lack
of
public
engagement
didn't
do
the
success
of
the
initiative,
any
favors
and
then.
A
A
A
H
Little
bit
so
we
we
don't
think
we
can
prevent
it
protected
voting
records
are
under
state
law,
considered
public
records
and
there's
there's
really
no
exemption
that
we
can
think
of
under
Quora.
That
would
protect
them.
What
I
read
was
I
think
it
was
San
Francisco
also
extended
non
citizen
voting
for
school
boards,
and
they
say
that
the
people
who
vote
tend
to
be
legal
residents
and
not
people
who
are
completely
undocumented.
So
they
don't
expect
them
to
participate,
and
they
just
accept
that.
K
O
You
know
you
gotta
push,
okay,
I,
think
yeah,
so
I
don't
know
about
the
vote
16,
but
on
the
non
citizen
voting
that
there's
a
community
group.
The
coalition
to
expand
voting
rights
that
brought
us
forth
to
the
Commission
and
City
lasted,
has
continued
going
and
I've
been
meeting
with
them
every
other
week
so
and
they
have
been
looking
into
addressing
these
issues
with
some
national
lawyers
and
have
also
been
building
out
the
coalition
to
include
people
who
say
League
of
Women,
Voters
and
all
the
group
says.
O
I
just
want
to
specify
that
there's
an
active
group
around
this
and
we'll
be
sending
they
will
be
sending
an
update
to
the
council.
I
just
talked
to
them
today,
sometime
next
month
on
what
they
plan
to
do,
but
they're,
looking
at
both
2019
and
2020
as
a
potential
to
collect
signatures
and
women
forth.
O
L
Clay-
you
mentioned
that
for
the
vote
16
that
one
of
the
options
would
be
to
get
other
cities
in
the
county
as
well,
but
sort
of
to
eliminating
the
difficulty
of
the
city
versus
county
level
voting.
We
probably
have
to
get
like
absolutely
every
city
plus
the
county
to
pass
that
simultaneously.
Otherwise,
you
still
the
same
kind
of
fundamental
difficulty.
K
It's
not
a
question.
I
was
just
gonna.
Read
Mary's
comment:
okay,
you
want
it.
Okay,
so
Mary
said
my
support
for
a
citizen.
Led
ballot
initiative
is
based
on
observations
and
personal
experience
that
they
build
community,
promote
movement,
building,
enhanced
critical
thinking,
create
connection
solidarity
and
accountability.
The
process
also
cultivates
leadership
in
power
and
power
is
not
near
zero-sum.
In
short,
democracy
is
is
practiced
for
these
three.
All
these
reasons,
I
do
not
support
a
council
led
initiative
on
either
of
these
proposals.
J
A
J
Doesn't
I
think
it's
non
citizen
voting,
so
I'll
just
jump
in
with
my
comments.
Bob
and
I
just
met
with
some
members
of
Joab
before
this
meeting
and
it
seems
like
they're
still
interested
in
pursuing
this
for
the
vote.
16,
it
wasn't
clear
to
me
whether
they
were
ready
yet
or
not,
in
other
words,
fully
organized
enough
to
be
doing
a
campaign
on
this,
but
I
agree
with
Mary
that
these
are
both
going
to
be
controversial
enough
in
certain
ways
that
having
you
know,
the
socialization
piece
is
important.
J
What
I've
heard
about
the
golden
situation
was
that
that
didn't
happen
very
well
and
I
think
it
went
down
something
like
2
to
1,
and
so
it
was
just
put
forward
by
a
council
and
then
not
supported
with
like
signature-gathering
campaign,
which
will
serve
to
both
educate
people
who
haven't
thought
through
some
of
these
issues.
They
will
need
to
be
able
to
address
those
with
people,
letter-writing
campaigns
and
so
on.
J
So
I
tend
to
think
that
these
could
be
pretty
worthy,
but
I
think
they're
gonna
need
you
know,
kind
of
a
groundswell
of
support,
and
so,
if
there
are
people
willing
to
run
something
this
year
and
gather
signatures
this
year,
I
think
that's
the
right
way
to
go
about
it,
because
the
signature
gathering
and
the
coalition
building
really
will
serve
to
elevate
it
and
people's
consciousness.
So
I'm,
not
particularly
interested
in
council,
putting
this
forward
yeah.
K
And
I
would
just
add
to
Sam
Singh
I
was
on
council
when
those
initiatives
were
put
on
in
the
lost,
and
there
was
a
lot
of
the
anger
were
one.
It
was
to
put
non-voting
non-resident
citizen
residents
on
our
boards.
That
was
the
issue,
and
so
when
up
once
and
then
it
it
was
voted
down
and
then
a
couple
years
later
it
came
back
and
I
think
there
was
much
more
public
discussion
about
it.
K
Served
we
had
someone
yeah,
but
did
the
other.
It
was
it.
We
have
had
one
person
who
has
been
two
people
actually
who
have
been
not
documented
and
who
have
served
on
earth.
But
when
we
did
that
ballot
issue,
it
was
of
the
concern
that
this
person,
this
individual,
had
applied.
Who
was
an
undocumented
resident
and
he
wanted
to
be
on
one
of
our
boards
and
then
the
site
year
cycle
went
and
he
didn't
reapply.
Something
had
happened,
and
so
anyway,
all
I'm
saying
is
that
things.
A
B
I'm
with
with
a
group
as
far
as
I'd
rather
have
each
of
these
brought
forward
with
residents
initiative.
It
sounds
like
there's
a
group
form,
at
least
on
one
new
era-
might
be
another
group
that
might
support
this.
I,
don't
want
to
anybody
what
I
don't
organize
themselves,
but
but
that's
not
like
there's
a
little
bit
of
work
to
do,
because
these
groups
could
come
to
you
and
say
geez,
there's
some
issues.
We
heard
it
at
the
study
session.
Can
you
help
us?
B
Do
the
issues
and
so
I'd
like
to
if
Council
agrees,
instruct
staff
to
be
supportive
and
helpful
and
do
the
legal
research
and
the
other
work
that
might
be
necessary
within
reason
to
help
these
groups,
because
I
wouldn't
want
these
groups
to
go
out
there.
Just
pull
a
petition,
get
4500
signatures
and
find
out
there's
a
really
big
problem
so
to
the
extent
that
there
are
issues
or
problems
or
maybe
there's
ways
to
do
this.
B
That
gets
around
some
of
these
problems
to
guide
these
groups
so
that
their
path
forward
is
is,
is
logical
and
we
don't
run
into
a
problem
in
November.
We
know
what
the
issues
are
in
May
or
June
or
July,
as
they're
they're,
putting
this
together
in
collecting
signatures.
So
I'd
like
to.
If
Council
agrees,
I
like
to
instruct
staff
to
be
supportive
of
a
residence
initiative.
P
B
Legal
research,
some
of
the
issues
you
identify
which
are
not
bottomed
out
yet
I'm,
not
suggesting
you
have
to
go
out
and
figure
those
out,
because
if
no
one
shows
up
at
your
door,
staff
right
no
sense
in
spending
the
time.
But
if
a
group
comes
to
you
and
right
and
asked
for
some
help,
I'm
sorting
through
some
these
issues,
I
guess
I'd
like
to
suggest
you
know
within
reason
that
staff
and
our
legal
team
beep
helpful
supportive
of
that.
That's
the
clarification.
A
Can
I
ask
another
question
related
to
that,
though,
is
there
a
recommendation
from
the
Commission
I
mean?
Is
HRC
fired
up
to
do
one
of
these
or
both
of
these
or
or
they're
just
saying
hey?
What
do
we
think
I
guess
because
yeah
to
me
that's
also
about
if
it's
not
a
priority
for
HRC
anyhow,
let's
keep
let's
keep
going
down
and
hear
from
more
people,
then
we'll
try
to
conclude
where
we're
at.
J
Oh
sorry,
on
Bob's,
so
isn't
the
normal
process
that
when
somebody
brings
us
a
proposed
initiative
to
carry
that
you
give
feedback
to
that.
Yes,
yes,
and
so
it
would
be
I
think
expected
that
we
would
provide
that
level
of
support.
So
I
agree
with
you,
but
I
also
agree
that
doing
the
work
ahead
of
time
doesn't
seem
to
make
sense.
So.
J
A
I
jump
in
here
I
happen
to
see
Hillary,
Hall
and
so
I
said
hey
by
the
way
we're
doing
this.
Do
you
have
any
thoughts
about
this
more
like
what
would
be
the
logistical
challenges
and
she
was
then
she
started
going
well,
okay,
think
about
how
many
ballots
we
have
to
do
when
you
have
a
special
district
within
your
larger
city,
within
your
larger
County
within
your
larger
state.
Well,
we
have
legislators,
you
know
half
a
boulders
represented
by
eating
and
the
other
half
by
Casey,
for
example.
A
Anyhow,
you
have
to
end
up
printing
each
new
ballots
anyhow,
so
it
gets
led,
logistically,
more
complicated
Sonia,
but
I
do
think
at
least
a
preliminary
conversation
just
to
kind
of
get
the
sense
of
what
we'd
be
talking
about.
It
also
is
related
to
the
number
of
voters.
So
anyhow,
we
could
at
least
do
that
to
better
form
out
the
playing
field.
I
guess
I
would
also
say:
I
would
like
to
know
real
quickly
about
if
we
cannot
protect
people's
information.
A
L
So
I
mean
I'm
supportive
of
these
ideas.
You
know
just
say:
I
have
a
nearly
16
year
old
son,
who
I
think
would
make
a
fantastic
voter
and
and
I
also
think
that
having
all
of
our
resident
adult
residents
be
able
to
vote
would
be
a
fair
thing.
So
I'm
supportive
of
these
ideas,
I
agree
with
my
colleagues
that
I'd
love
to
see
a
citizen
initiative
process
and
then
to
colloquy
a
little
bit
about
how
that
might
look.
I
mean
I.
L
Think
the
the
feedback
that
Bob
gave
was
is
not
go
ahead
and
do
all
this
research
on
your
own,
but
I
think
it's
to
do
more
than
just
the
level
that
we
would
normally
do.
Somebody
brings
in
a
potential
petition
and
we
answered
well
here's
the
kind
of
language
you'd
have
to
do.
Here's
the
steps
you'd
follow
but
I
think
to
go
past
that
instead
say
well.
L
There's
some
complexities
to
these
and
to
ask
you
if
citizen
groups
do
come
forward
with
these
ideas
and
are
trying
to
work
on
them
to
assist
them
with
some
staff
time
on
some
research
on
how
those
things
might
end
up
working
out.
So
that's
what
I
was
hearing
and
that
I
would
definitely
support
that
a
little
bit
of
additional
staff
support
if
those
groups
come
forward
does.
J
I
guess
I
would
just
say
we
should
offer
an
invitation
to
the
people
who
might
do
either
one
of
these
to
begin
an
engagement
with
staff
as
soon
as
they
think
they're
really
going
to
move
it
forward,
because
staff
can
at
least
tell
them
here's
the
identified
issues.
How
do
you
want
to
deal
with
them?
J
They
may
have
their
own
opinions,
for
instance,
about
the
protection
of
information,
and
so
I'd
be
happy
whether
whether
they
would
want
to
carry
it
forward
in
light
of
that
information,
so
so
I
mean
I,
think
they
would
have
strategic
decisions
that
they
would
want
to
flesh
out.
Staff
could
help
them
identify
the
issues,
but
they
might
you
know
they're
the
ones
carrying
the
petitions
they're,
the
ones
that
are
probably
gonna
have
to
figure
out
what
makes
sense.
Yeah.
A
K
A
So
what
I'm
hearing
is
there's
interested
in
the
concepts
we'd
prefer
a
citizen
led
initiative
and
to
the
extent
that
one
emerges
or
if
the
folks
listening
here
say.
Yes,
we
already
a
certain
amount
of
staff
time,
but
given
other
priorities
and
I
would
expect
the
HRC
to
also
presumably
you
have
priorities
and
you
can
help
with
the
that
effort.
So
that's
some
up
is
that
good
enough?
Okay,.
N
Okay,
so
this
takes
us
to
our
second
topic,
which
is
hate
crime
sentence.
Enhancement
will
be
following
kind
of
a
similar
structure
to
the
previous
piece,
so
we'll
be
looking
at
analysis,
summary
of
community
engagement,
next
steps
and
then
looking
at
again
the
questions
presented
to
Council
with
respect
to
this.
N
So
this
is
kind
of
a
high-level
overview.
You
know
we
haven't
looked
at
this
for
a
while,
and
we
believe
that
there
are
reasons
to
revisit
boulders
hate
crimes
approach.
A
lot
of
that
is
based
on
feedback
from
the
process
of
public
engagement,
around
diversity
inclusivity
in
Boulder,
from
2060
from
2016
to
2018.
N
That
includes,
what's
been
captured
in
the
community
perceptions
assessment
study,
the
CPA
open
house
event
in
2017
there
was
an
HRC
public
hearing
on
racial
bias
in
Hayden,
since
eight
incidents
a
little
bit
about
a
year
ago
and
other
folks
coming
before
the
HRC
and
I
understand
in
summonses
console
I
feel
very
strange,
quoting
buddy
who's
sitting
down
the
table
for
me
so
nikhil.
Maybe
if
you
want
to
just
expand
on
what
you've
said
and
or
disapprove.
O
Well,
I
won't
go
ahead
and
leave
the
quote,
but
I
do
think
why
we
should
strengthen
the
municipal.
Ordinance
is
because
of
some
of
the
difficulties
we
have
in
in
keeping
hate
crimes.
One
is
that
at
the
state
level,
based
on
the
past
state,
legislators
and
I
think
nationally,
it's
difficult
to
get
the
strongest
and
most
effective
hate
crime
laws
passed
at
the
state
level
and
within
alone
we
also
have
some
gaps
as
well.
So
hence
we
have
the
mixed
motive
and
religious
bias
protections
in
this
included
in
this.
O
That
was
not
coupled
under
state
law.
Additionally,
while
federal
law
is
quite
good,
you
have
to
have
a
violation
of
the
interstate
commerce
clause
and
and
there's
some
legal
reasons
that
make
federal
law
difficult
to
apply
at
state
level.
So,
for
instance,
like
the
South
Carolina,
trilled,
shooting,
there's
difficulty
in
the
in
the
feds
coming
in
and
doing
something
about
that.
O
N
You
so
we're
gonna
look
at
two
areas
that
we
feel
are
most
appropriate
for
expanded
protection.
One
is
that
pertaining
to
mixed
motive,
and
the
other
is
that
pertaining
to
religious
practice
and
Nikhil
and
I
have
been
working
very
closely
on
these
issues
and
he's
you
know,
taking
a
bit
of
a
leadership
role
in
helping
us
to
identify
some
of
these
issues
and
what
some
of
the
possible
solutions
are
so
mixed-motive
an
example
of
a
mixed
mode
of
hate
incident
might
be
your
classic
fender
bender
in
the
parking
lot.
N
You
know
people
crash
into
each
other.
Nobody
knows
what
the
other
person
is.
They
get
out
of
the
car
it
escalates
into
an
assault,
and
then,
in
the
course
of
it,
it
takes
on
a
racially
charged
nature
or
racial
epithets
are
thrown
about.
You
know
that's
sort
of
a
classic
example.
Somebody
gets
hurt.
Somebody
gets
arrested.
N
The
problem
that
that
we
found
in
other
jurisdictions
is
that
it
can
be
very
problematic
to
charge
something
as
a
hate
crime
if
there
are
other
motives
involved,
so
the
mixed
motive
piece,
and
that
the
workaround
with
that
and
we've
seen
this
in
a
lot
of
state
laws,
Illinois
being
most
notable
and
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that
momentarily.
Where
both
the
case
law
and
explicit
statute
says
that
mixed
mode
of
crimes,
you
can
still
pursue
them
as
a
hate
crime.
N
In
addition
to
the
underlying
crime-
and
you
know
locally
what
we're
looking
at,
because
we're
not
talking
about
state
law,
we're
talking
about
municipal
law,
so
we'd
be
looking
at
things
like
lower
level
assaults,
the
lower
degree
of
assault,
vandalism,
etc.
You
know
we
aren't
necessarily
going
to
be
getting
into
things
like
murder,
or
you
know
the
much
more
serious
crimes
that
are
going
to
be
charged
out
by
the
DA.
N
Nevertheless,
I
think
that
it's
important
or
and
I
think
this
is
the
view
of
the
HRC
as
well,
that
essentially
he
crimes
laws
aren't
just
about
penalizing
the
behavior
that
underlies
hate
offense,
but
they
are
also
about
sending
a
message
to
vulnerable
folks
in
the
community
that
there
is
a
degree
of
protection
and
a
recognition
of
their
vulnerability
and
I.
Think
that's
very
important,
especially
and
I.
Think
many
will
argue
that
in
the
last
few
years,
as
certain
sort
of
behaviors
become
more
more
millat,
normalized
and
I
think
that's
to
the
detriment.
N
The
need
for
such
enhancements
becomes
increasingly
necessary.
A
good
example
of
this,
and
this
may
seem
a
little
sort
of
time-travel
is.
This
quote
actually
comes
from
a
2000
report
that
covers
the
year
2002,
but
it
actually
was
published
after
2002,
as
these
government
reports
tend
to
be,
and
it
actually
refers
to
a
2003
state
statute
in
Illinois,
and
essentially
the
quote
says
that
you
know
we
now
kind
of
have
a
conclusive
guidance
with
respect
to
saying,
if
there
is
a
mixed
motive,
this
can
still
be
pursued
as
a
hate
crime.
N
Next
up
is
religious
practice
and
again
HRC.
Even
the
Human
Relations
Commission
is
receive
feedback
about
incidents
involving
individuals
practicing
their
religious
beliefs,
and
when
we
talk
about
religious
practice,
we're
not
talking
just
about
you
know
people
in
a
church,
but
people
that
might
be
engaged
in
individual
prayer
and
a
house
of
work
outside
of
a
house
of
worship.
You
know
a
student
on
campus
or
somebody
in
a
public
space
in
a
park
or
something
like
that.
So
that's
really
what
we're
trying
to
provide
here.
N
It
may
not
be
enough
to
simply
make
some
of
those
changes
with
respect
to
the
language
ordinance
with
sentence
enhancements
without
also
looking
at
some
other
pieces
of
the
puzzle.
Here,
one
would
be
that
look
at
who's
currently
protected
under
hate
crimes,
ordinances-
those
don't
necessarily
line
up
with
the
protected
classes
identified
in
the
Human
Rights
Ordinance.
N
So
it
would
be
worthwhile
to
make
sure
that
there's
some
consistency
in
that
the
other
piece
which
is
related
more
to
a
policy
piece,
is
really
working
with
the
police
and
helping
to
sort
of
boost
the
training
on
hate
crimes
and
investigation,
because
these
do
have
some
special
sensitivities
that
may
be
absent
from
other
types
of
offenses.
Another
piece
to
consider
is
that
of
looking
at
housing
status
as
a
protected
class
that
could
also
be
covered
under
a
hate
crime
sentence,
enhancement
piece.
N
N
N
Our
has
pointed
out
to
me
that
you
know
a
lot
of
folks
have
been
engaged
on
this
issue
and
we
don't
want
to
sort
of
have
them
come
to
the
table
yet
again
when
they
feel
that
they've
kind
of
adequately
said
their
piece
with
respect
to
their
concerns
about
these
issues.
Nevertheless,
with
respect
to
community
engagement,
you
know,
options
would
include
a
hearing
at
HRC
or
some
other
sort
of
hearing
or
public
outreach
event.
N
O
Just
a
couple
things
I
will
add.
When
we
look
at
the
the
municipal
level,
as
as
clay
had
mentioned,
we
those
would
be
low-level
crimes
and
assaults
and
in
cases
of
craftsman,
but
nevertheless
it's
important
not
to
discount
minimize
rationalize
those
in
any
way.
So,
for
instance,
a
lot
of
this
came
out
of
feedback
that
the
Commission
Godse
on
you
know:
Muslim
students
at
CU
and
some
having
had
call
buildings
torn
off
and
being
called
racial
epithets.
O
Now
that
would
not
be
an
assault
that
put
someone
in
the
hospital,
but
that
could
be
classified
as
a
simple
assault
that
could
go
to
the
the
municipal
cordoned
this.
Could
you
know
these
changes
could
enhance
those
the
ability
to
charge
those
as
a
hate
crime
with
the
religious
protections
and
then
also
the
mixed
motive
piece
in
case
that
came
into
play
as
a
defense.
O
The
other
thing
that
a
mixed
motive
pieces
could
also,
probably
that
you
should
know
about,
is
say,
attacks
on
GLBT
communities
and
a
common
defense
is
used
as
like
a
gay
panic.
Defense
with
someone
say
someone
you
know
hit
on
someone
who
was
straight.
Who
then
assaulted
them
lose
something
using
that
as
a
defense,
I
mean
it's
ugly,
but
that's
been
used
in
cases
nationally
and
I.
Think
the
mixed
motive
piece
could
go
some
way
in
terms
of
providing
additional
protections
around
the
law
to
to
victims
in
those
instances.
O
Besides
that,
the
only
thing
I
have
to
add
as
I
appreciate
that
the
counsel
Tom
Jane
our
new
office
have
all
been
really
supportive
in
the
Commission
staff
and
my
fellow
commissioners
in
taking
this
this
law
it.
It
means
a
lot
to
me
personally
after
healing
a
lot
of
feedback
that
the
Commission
God
over
my
whole
time
on
the
Commission
and
all
of
these
people
who
see
studies
every
time
hate
crimes
came
up.
O
It
stung
me
quite
a
bit
due
to
my
own
personal
experiences,
due
to
some
of
my
own
personal
experiences
with
this
and
knowing
what
victims
go
through
in
the
system
and
what
kind
of
defenses
get
used
and
what
can
happen
to
you,
and
so
you
know,
over
the
past
decade
of
my
life,
I've
devoted
myself
to
assisting
victims
and
trying
to
find
ways
to
improve
this,
and
we
had
a
have
a
really
good
law
on
the
books
and
order
that
was
passed.
J
Question
on
the
restorative
justice
piece:
I
can
see
that
being
something
that
cuts
both
ways
where
it
could
be
good
in
certain
cases
and
not
so
good
for
the
victim.
In
other
cases,
have
you
talked
to
the
municipal
judge
about
this
component?
What
kind
of
digging
have
you
done
into
how
she
would
handle
it
if
this
were
something
that
were
brought
forward?
Well,.
N
I
have
to
confess
in
my
previous
position
with
the
city,
I
was
running
the
mediation
program
on
the
restorative
justice
program,
so
we
even
worked
personally
I've
been
working
with
the
municipal
courts
on
this
stuff
for
over
ten
years.
You
know,
I
think
there
is
a
greater
level
of
sensitivity
and
I
think
we
would
need
to
develop
new
guidelines
with
respect
to
these
types
of
crimes
versus
your
sort
of
typical,
disorderly
conduct,
kind
of
charge
and
I.
Think
that
you
know
this
is
a
conversation
that
would
need
to
take
place.
H
Wanted
to
talk
about
this,
you
know
on
a
higher
level
a
little
bit
and
give
some
feedback
from
my
perspective
as
the
chief
prosecutor,
if
I
could
yep
so
I'm
really
excited
about
this
opportunity
to
work
on
the
hate
crimes.
Ordinance
I
think
that
there
are
some
challenges
with
the
ordinances
that
this
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
fix
the
the
the
sentence.
Enhancement
right
now
increases
the
maximum
fine
from
$1,000
to
$2,000.
H
We
very
rarely
get
the
maximum
finding
anything
anyway.
So
it's
not
a
substantial
impact.
I
agree
complete
with
clay
that
assuring
our
community
that
we're
protecting
them
is
really
important,
but
I
think
there
are
better
ways
that
we
can
approach
this,
that
we
should
explore.
First
of
all,
fines
are
by
their
nature,
regressive.
Rich
people
have
a
much
better
ability
to
pay
a
fine
that
a
poor
person
and
has
greater
impact
on
a
poor
person
than
a
rich
person.
H
Restorative
justice
is
one
form
of
things
that
people
are
doing
in
the
courts
to
change
behavior
more
effectively.
So
I'd
like
to
expand
this
discussion
a
little
bit
in
to
see
how
we
can
make
the
existing
ordinance
more
effective
to
protect
people,
including
a
perhaps
a
mandatory
educational
component
for
defendants,
not
just
we're
working
with
the
victims,
but
understanding
the
true
nature
of
their
crime
and
the
effect
on
the
community.
That
goes
beyond
that
that
one
of
the
challenges
in
the
current
ordinance
is
to
get
that
sentence
enhancement.
H
We
have
to
prove
beyond
a
reasonable
doubt
that
the
crowd
that
the
purposes
intent
was
bias,
that's
a
very
difficult
standard
to
meet
and
for
right
now,
not
a
large
benefit
in
terms
of
sanctions.
So
I
would
like
to
consider
doing
this
in
an
alternative
way
where
we
look
at.
Maybe
we
don't
increase
the
sanction
but
require
mandatory
education
and
don't
require
proof
beyond
a
reasonable
doubt,
but
required
as
a
as
an
optional
sentencing
enhancement
for
the
judge,
so
that
we
could
have.
We
could
do
more
of
these
mounted.
My
frustrations
is.
H
We
do
bury
many
of
these
because
they
are
incredibly
hard
to
prove
and
you're,
taking
on
a
burden
that
may
make
it
harder
to
prove
the
underlying
crime.
So
I
think
that
it.
This
is
really
great
work.
I
appreciate
what
the
HRC
has
done.
I'd,
like
the
permission
of
the
council,
to
take
this
a
little
bit
further.
H
Do
that
I
certainly
think
the
enhancements
that
Nicholas
talked
about
are
great
and
I
think
we
can
incorporate
those
pretty
easily,
but
I
think
we
can
make
this
ordinance
a
much
better
ordinance
and
much
more
useful
to
our
community
and
protective
of
our
community.
If
we
look
at
some
other
things
that
are
going
on
in
the
criminal
justice
system
today
that
that
work
more
effectively
to
change
behavior
than
just
increasing
the
fine
which
I
don't
think,
it
really
doesn't
all
that
much
in
questions.
Sorry,
but
that's
that
was
I
want
to
say
soon.
Yeah.
A
H
Have
to
prove
part
of
the
motive
beyond
a
reasonable
doubt,
so
you
have
to
prove
that
so
you
it.
What
it
does
is
eliminates
part
of
the
defense
that
I
did
it
for
this
reason,
but
not
that
reason,
but
you
still
have
to
prove
that
reason
that
what
was
in
the
person's
head
beyond
a
reasonable
doubt,
which
is
still
a
very
hard
thing
to
do.
Okay,.
A
H
A
G
H
That
so,
as
a
parent,
the
last
thing
I
do
with
my
kids
is
punish,
though
I
always
try
to
inform
model,
put
appear
pressure
on
them.
There
are
models
in
the
criminal
justice
system
that
use
all
of
those
things
to
try
to
change.
Behavior
I
think
what
we
ultimately
want
to
do
in
the
criminal
justice
system
is
get
people
to
change
what
they're
doing,
particularly
in
this
area,
so
education
can
be
a
mandatory
course.
We
do
that
in
some
areas
it
could
be
contact
with
the
victims.
It
could
be
socializing
it
requiring
attending
a
meeting.
H
G
H
G
K
So
many
question
was:
is,
if
you
require
like
mandatory
education,
which
I
think
is
good
more
than
a
course,
but
some
kind
of
education
about
why
they
shouldn't
have
done
that
and
how
it
makes
other
people
feel
and
all
these
other
stuff.
Is
there
a
lower
burden
of
proof
that
you
could
require
I
believe.
H
D
H
I
think
I
want
to
listen
to
the
community
and
see
what
they
want
and
I
also
want
to
talk
to
judge
cook
and
see
how
she
feels
about
this
yeah.
But
we're
doing
many
of
these
things
in
other
areas,
for
example
minors
in
possession
for
first
and
second
offense.
We
don't.
We
avoid
a
criminal
record,
we
do
make
them
take
educational
classes
to
understand
what
and
we
screen
them
for
alcohol
or
marijuana
dependence
to
see
to
try
to
catch
the
folks
who
are
heading
down
a
bed
path.
H
So
we've
already
built
systems
in
our
court
to
do
things
differently.
We
actually
have
a
study
session
coming
up,
but
we're
gonna
talk
about
some
of
the
more
interesting
things
that
we're
all
doing
over
there
to
help
you
inform
so
there's
a
wide
range
of
behavioral,
changing
things
that
one
can
do
in
the
criminal
justice
system
and,
as
I
said
I.
Think.
All
of
this
is
great
and
I'm
very
supportive
of
what
the
HRC
has
done,
and
we
could
do
that.
H
A
I'm
curious
okay,
so
we
have
lots
going
on
here.
One
is
to
address
those
two
questions,
but
then
go
back
to
the
list
of
policy
recommendations
and
dig
further.
So
I
guess
let
us
just
clarify
this
and
then
go
to
the
policy.
Folks
in
general,
great
with
the
proposal
be
forced
to
proceed
on
mix
mezuzahs
and
religious
expression.
Yes,
yes,
anybody
not!
Okay.
Can
you
put
up
the
policy
recommendations,
then.
A
Okay,
so
we
started
on
restorative
justice,
so
I
just
wanted
to
finish
that
one
I
guess
to
me:
it
is
a
little
you
want
to
be
impactful,
but
this
trade-off
about
not
harming
the
victim
more
by
like
maybe
you
don't
want
to
deal
with
your
perpetrator,
so
I
guess
I'm,
just
curious
and
I
don't
know
Nikhil.
If
you
have
anything
to
add
on
this
concept
of
how
you
balance
that
or
I.
O
Of
course
moved
the
story
of
justice
into
a
pilot
for
the
adult
evolution
in
his
DA's
office
and
then
Michael's
continuing
that,
and
it's
only
used
on
specific
types
of
crimes
and
not
on
all
of
this,
so
mainly
like
probably
crimes
and
flawed
cases.
We,
like
restorative
justice,
would
be
used
on
violent
crimes,
hate
crimes
and
sex
crimes.
It
is
not
used,
and
you
know
Tom
and
you
all
could
probably
reach
out
to
those
officials
and
talk
about
why.
But
it
seems
like
we
may
be
confusing
two
things
in
this
discussion.
O
One
is
the
salute
of
justice,
and
then
the
second
is
whether
what
tom
is
talking
about,
which
is
mandatory.
Education
and
I
know
that
to
be
an
option
that
I've
seen
in
cases
I've
observed
up
at
the
courthouse
in
sentencing
a
judge's
discussion.
They
will,
you
know,
assign
people
to
a
defense
which
will
need
to
contact
anti-defamation
league
ooh,
some
group,
for
instance,
to
help
a
defendant,
get
education,
so
I
think
I,
think
polishing
those
two
out
and
keep
it
in.
O
H
Sort
of
justice
in
in
our
court
is
mostly
program.
We
do
with
Cu
to
help
change
student,
behavior
and
and
it's
it's
got
a
particular
model.
That
model
has
been
changed
in
various
ways
over
the
country,
and
one
of
the
things
you
can
do
is
not
necessarily
have
the
perpetrator
to
meet
the
particular
victim.
But
there
are
many
people
in
the
community
who
will
help
model
to
help
model
better
behavior,
so
you
can
build
a
model
where
you,
the
victim,
doesn't
have
the
particular
victim
doesn't
have
to
be
involved
at
all.
H
You
can
have
people
with
past
victims
or
people
with
just
who
are
in
a
particular
group
that
they've
victimized,
who
are
willing
to
share
their
experiences.
So
you
can
build
I
mean
there's
a
there's,
a
model
in
oh
I'm,
forgetting
there's
a
there's,
a
model
where,
where
they
do,
there's
a
standing
group
where
the
the
defendants
go
to
visit.
H
L
J
Yeah
I
mean
I'm
not
quite
clear,
on
the
dividing
line
between
restorative
justice
and
education,
but
they
both
seem
valuable
to
me,
the
restorative
justice
piece,
as
long
as
it's
well
considered,
and
that
the
people
who
are
working
to
educate
the
person
about
impacts
of
their
crime
on
the
group
that
they
committed
a
crime
against.
If
there
are
people
willing
to
do
that,
not
necessarily
the
victim
I
think
that
that's
worth
a
discussion
worth
having.
On
the
other
hand,
sometimes
it's
more
impactful
to
have
somebody
else.
J
Who's
arm's
length,
distance
from
kind
of
tension
explained
in
detail
to
the
perpetrator.
What
the
impact
is,
even
if
they're,
not
a
member
of
the
group
that
was
impacted,
they
can
know
and
be
able
to
communicate.
It
so
I
think
something
along.
These
lines
is
important.
What
exactly
it
looks
like
I
think
should
be
designed
by
people
who
are
experts
at
this,
and
so
I
would
like
to
see
it
carried
forward,
whether
it's
actually
restorative
justice,
specifically
or
more
broadly
education
for
the
perpetrators,
so
that
they
get
the
social
impact
that
they've
created.
J
K
Instead
of
sending
him
to
jail,
I'd
rather
see
em
do
community
service.
So
to
me
the
key
is
and
Tom
brought
this
up.
You
know
people
can
pay.
Some
people
can
pay
easier
than
others.
I
think
what
works
is
when
it
becames
becomes
a
pain
in
the
derriere
and
you're
taking
time
away
from
somebody
and
you're
making
them
use
time
to
amend
their
behavior.
So
I
would
want
some
kind
of
a
thing
that
takes
time
from
people.
Okay,.
A
G
To
reiterate:
that's
what
I
meant
by
hands-on
being
involved
timewise
with
groups
and
I
wanted
I,
don't
know
if
this
is
the
time,
but
I
wanted
to
go
clear
back
before
we
finish
on
the
other
piece.
I
didn't
realize
it
was
mentioned,
the
the
hate
incidents
pertaining
to
religious
expression,
one
of
the
things
that
wasn't
included
in
there
that
I
wanted
to
just
bring
up
for
discussion,
and
that
was
referred
to
as
clothing
articles
of
clothing,
that
one
needn't
necessarily
be
practicing
or
observing
or
in
a
house
of
worship.
A
G
O
Know
for
the
Sikhs
people
who
collages
faiths,
who
have
specific
yes,
I
mean
the
laying
into
the
language
of
the
law.
Yeah,
yes
exactly,
and
so
we
had
some
sample
language
from
another
community
that
may
not
have
had
that,
but
I
mean
we.
We
didn't
want
to
get
too
into
that,
but
I
think
you
all
leave
it
to
you
all
to
give
direction
to
Tom
on
what
he
would
like
to
see
included.
But
that
would
be
extremely
helpful
is
to
specifically
name
that,
as
that
is
some
of
the
feedback
we
were
directly
responding
to.
A
Of
creation,
okay,
did
you
have
your
end
up?
Okay,
so,
let's
summing
up
on
restorative
justice
is
yes
with
some.
With
all
the
caveats
mentioned,
and
also
maybe
we
need
a
different
word
if
it's
yeah,
maybe
it's
enforced,
enlightened
or
something:
okay,
okay,
housing
status,
adding
homeless
or
housing
to
a
protected
group.
K
Deadbeats,
what
else
can
they
call
them,
but
they
have
adversely
affected
these
people
and
I
think
a
lot
of
times.
Our
homeless
population
is
very
vulnerable
because
they
have
no
place
to
turn,
and
so
somehow
we
we
do
need
to
include
them
as
a
protected
class
and
I
don't
want
them
while
they
may
be
violating
some
of
our
rules
on
camping.
K
That
should
not
bring
a
beating
from
some
deadbeat,
and
there
should
be
some
way
that
this
homeless
person
can
get
some
help
or
restitution
something.
But
that's
my
I
feel
like
homeless.
People
can
be
really
picked
on
more
than
other
people
because
of
this
very
vulnerable
state.
My
situation,
Cindy
Jo,.
A
J
Well,
I'll
say
yes
to
housing
status.
Question
I,
think
that
that
is
a
good
way
to
put
it
because
it
covers
the
whole
spectrum
of
housing
status.
I
would
also
just
tie
it
in
with
number
one
and
say
that
I
think
all
of
the
things
in
number
one
as
far
as
the
identification
of
different
classes
of
folks
I'm
Dianne
with
number
three
housing
status
is
just
one
of
those.
It's
important
I
also
think
it's
you
know.
Oftentimes
assaults
on
homeless
folks
are
perpetrated
by
other
folks.
It
may
be
on
housed
and
so
I
think.
B
Have
a
question
for
Tom
on
this
one,
because
you
know
the
traditional
protected
classes
tend
to
be
characteristics
or
or
of
the
person
or
sometimes
their
their
faith.
This
is
this
seems
to
be
a
status
and
somebody
could
be
homeless
one
day
and
house
the
next
day
and
homeless,
and
the
next
day
I
mean
it's
not
like.
B
People
are
primarily
homeless,
not
primarily
homeless,
and
it
seems
to
me
that
there's
a
there
potentially
some
legal
issues
around
proof
around
status
around
whether
the
perpetrator
was
aware,
because
it
could
obviously
be
hate
crime
I
presumed
that
one
of
the
elements
would
be
awareness
of
the
person's
characteristic
I.
Don't
know
how
you
are
aware
of
the
fact
that
someone
has
a
permanent
address
or
doesn't
have
a
permanent
address
simply
by
how
they
appear
so
I'm.
Just
asking
I
guess
a
series
of
questions
around
the
legal
aspect
of
of
adding
this
as
a
protected
classes.
H
Haven't
researched
it
yet
I
know
there
are
places
around
the
country
where
this
has
been
done
and
I'd
want
to
look
at
the
way
they
did.
It
I
think
you
identifies
some
of
the
challenges,
but
I
don't
know
that
they're
insurmountable
I
think
you
just
have
to
have
some
clear
characteristics
that
would
signal
to
the
defendant
that
that
they're
violating
the
law
and
so
I
think
it's
probably
doable,
but
I'd
want
to
take
a
look
and
see
what
other
people
have
done.
I.
H
L
But
I
do
I
would
really
like
to
learn
more
before
we
finalized
an
ordinance
about
how
some
of
these
that
are
the
protected
classes.
It
wouldn't
always
be
obvious,
like
one
of
them
is
Parenthood.
So
if
you
just
see
somebody,
you
don't
necessarily
know
that
they're
a
parent
right.
So
how
does
that
play
out
in
a
hate
crime?
L
L
All
the
way
back,
because
you
because
Sam
jump
to
number
one
but
I,
agree
and
so
I
want
to
I'm
fine
discussing
this,
but
I
do
I.
Would
one
think
about
it
very
carefully
when
we
come
time
to
do
an
ordinance
because
of
the
same
concerns
about
potentially
diluting
the
very
serious
hate
crimes
that
sometimes
we
see.
Okay,.
J
So
I
find
some
of
the
proposed
categories
in
number,
one
to
be
quite
important
and
directly
in
line
with
what
we're
talking
about
like
creed,
sex
immigration
status,
for
instance,
I
think.
All
of
those
we
do
definitely
want
to
call
out
I,
don't
know
about
some
of
the
things
like
Parenthood
or
custody
of
a
minor
child.
Marital
status
seems
to
me
like
that,
could
be
depending
on
who's
married
to
whom
and
how
it
comes
about.
J
That
could
also
be
one
that's
very
deserving
of
being
called
out
in
particular,
so
I
think
there
are
some
in
here
that
maybe
rise
to
the
level
for
me
of
really
wanting
to
make
sure
that
they're
specifically
called
out-
and
maybe
there
are
some
that
we
could
talk
about
as
perhaps
not
having
the
same
level
of
import
but
I,
really,
creed,
sex,
definitely,
immigration
status,
potentially
marital
status
and
source
of
income.
I
think
those
are
potentially
bases
of
hate
crimes
and
discrimination.
J
K
Day
when
I
was
having
my
third
child,
I
was
pregnant,
very
pregnant
and
I.
Had
somebody
come
up
to
me
in
a
grocery
store
and
scream
at
me
that
I
already
had
two
children.
This
was
not
PC
and
then
followed
us
out,
and
it's
like
that
stuff
just
shouldn't
happen.
I
mean
people
should
not
be
able
to
just
go
up
to
other
people
and
accuse
them
of
something
or
hassle
them
and
then
follow
them
after
the
encounter
is
past
so
kind
of
other
thoughts.
L
One
more
thing
so
I
mean
maybe
maybe
what
we
could
get
is
at
this
next
iteration
a
little
bit
more
of
a
recommendation.
If
you
dive
into
the
different,
protect
rather
than
just
say,
yeah
take
them
all
really,
you
know
think
them
through
and
then
come
up
with
a
recommendation
that
we
could
then
chew
over
and
and
harderberg
decision.
You.
A
Trying
to
jump
in
oh
yeah,
this
to
me.
That
sounds
like
good
idea
that
sound
right,
okay
to
mandate
of
police
trading-
well,
okay,
I'll
just
wait
on
this.
My
understanding
is
because
it's
been
difficult
to
prosecute,
given
the
burden
of
proof
and
the
whole
mixed
motive
thing.
It
hasn't
happened
very
often,
so
certainly
some
clarification
is
specifically
trained.
The
law
on
how
that
how
that
works
now
would
be
an
order
at
a
minimum.
I,
don't
know
other
thoughts
on
this
Cindy
I.
H
Just
wanted
to
suggest
that
perhaps,
rather
than
use
the
word
mandate,
use,
coordinate
or
cooperate
with
the
police
departments.
I
think
one
of
the
things
I'd
like
to
do
is
get
their
experience,
because
they're
the
ones
out
in
the
street
who
are
seeing
these
things
and
help
them
work
with
them
to
develop
the
ordinance
and
my
guests,
knowing
our
Police
Department
is
they
already
do
anti-bias
training?
And
so
that's
not
an
issue,
it's
more.
How
do
we
make
this?
A
I
guess
that's
on
those
four
I
guess
in
terms
of
process,
you
guys
mentioned
feedback
fatigue
and
I
guess.
One
of
my
questions
is
some
of
this,
like
the
mixed-motive,
the
religious
expression,
some
of
this
stuff
I
think
you
could
probably
go
in
right
an
ordinance
today
and
it
seems
to
me
that
sometimes
that's
what
brings
people
to
the
table
is
here.
This
is
what
we're
thinking.
Does
this
look
right
or
how
would
you
edit
it
as
opposed
to
hey?
A
What
do
you
think
about
a
concept
and
since
I
feel,
like
we've
talked
about
this
concept,
that
we
should
go
ahead
and
take
the
next
step
of
putting
stuff
on
paper
and
get
any
specific
feedback?
In
particular,
on
a
few
of
these
things,
we've
highlighted
like
how
you
know
which
of
the
protected
classes
or
would
you
prioritize
or,
however,
you
want
to
do
it
so
I'll
just
throw
that
out
there.
Yes,
Suzanne.
G
I
agree,
I
think
we
should
and
can
move
forward,
and
there
was
a
to
be
determined
in
terms
of
timeline.
This
again,
I
think,
is
something
very
important
because
it
has
to
do
with
the
community,
knowing
that
we
are
trying
to
protect
to
the
best
of
our
ability
and
we're
not
going
to
put
up
with
the
underlying
stuff.
That's
going
on
that's
causing
this
kind
of
disruption,
so
I
think
it'd
be
great.
Can.
H
Just
to
help
a
little
bit,
we
did
our
quarterly
dot
exercise
where
we
sort
of
laid
out
the
council's
agenda
for
the
next
quarter.
We
put
this
on
for
second
reading
public
hearing
on
August
2nd,
so
that
and
I've
been
thinking
about
that
date
as
the
date
when
we
would
bring
back
the
ordinance
so
having
gone
through
the
whole
process
by
that.
So,
if
that's
acceptable,
then
it's
it's
already
built
into
your
schedule.
For
the
summer,
August.
O
I
think
the
way
we've
done
it
in
the
past-
and
this
was
kind
of
my
take
on
these
next
steps-
was,
you
know,
similar
to
others.
It
kind
of
complex
policies
that,
like
living
wage,
for
instance,
we
had
you,
know
one
and
a
half
new
list
of
public
hearings
and
things
which
is
kind
of
what
we've
done
on
this.
We
gave
recommendations
handed
them
off
to
you,
and
then
you
know
not
much
else.
We
can
do,
and
it's
really
up
to
you
all
and
sit
in
City
Utah.
O
You
need
to
come
up
with
something
when
that's
you,
you
know
when
Tom
comes
back
with
you
know,
something
has
something
that
people
can
react
to.
That's
gonna
go
to
you
on
a
loose
tweeting.
We
can
schedule
that
at
our
commission
to
do
a
public
hearing
on
that
item
and
I
think
we
would
that
might
look
well
and
then
the
rest
of
it
would
be.
You
know
they
process.
A
council
like.
K
A
N
P
N
A
similar
structure
to
our
discussion
a
little
bit
of
background.
This
was
brought
to
us
around
last
summer
by
a
boulder.
They
were
sort
of
the
point
organization
on
this
and
the
last
time
we've
looked
at
this
language
was
about
18
years
ago.
So
I
was
looking
at
some
of
the
legislative
history.
Underlying
this,
and
essentially
you
know,
I
think
there's
a
couple
of
dynamics
at
play
here
is
that
the
thought
process
has
become
more
advanced
and
more
granular
since
18
years
ago.
N
N
There
are
language
we
have,
for
example,
such
as
that
pertaining
to
the
number
of
times
that
you
can
express
your
gender
in
different
ways.
There
is
like
a
limitation
of
three
that
is
found
to
be
offensive
and
that
that
is
something
that
should
be
deleted
and
there's
also
some
issues
too.
Around
public
accommodation
I
know
that
the
CEO
has
identified.
N
The
last
piece-
and
it's
a
little
bit
similar
to
the
discussion
that
we
have
had
on
things
that
sort
of
can
enforce
that
sort
of
support
this,
but
aren't
necessarily
part
of
exactly
what
we're
talking
about
here
is
amendments
to
the
Human
Rights
Ordinance
address
enforcement
barriers.
So
there
are
some
issues
around
statute
of
limitations
and
the
tolling
of
that
that
we
might
want
to
consider-
and
also
this
was
a
little
bit
of
a
surprise
and
you
know
sort
of
the
language
we
may
in
the
section
12,
which
covers
human
rights.
N
N
Perhaps
different
from
what
we
talked
about
in
the
previous
example,
basically,
you
know
I
think
that
there's
probably
a
need
for
more
outreach.
We
don't
have
the
pre-existing
sort
of
body
of
engagement
that
we've
had
with
some
of
the
hate
crimes
piece,
so
we
would
have
to,
and
we
have
been
working
a
bit
on
this
development
of
a
list
of
stakeholders
and
what
that
outreach
would
look
like
and
then
similar
to
what
we're
talking
about
with
the
hate
crimes
sentence.
Enhancement,
changes.
N
N
This
is
kind
of
the
council
question.
You
know
to
essentially
look
at
these
changes.
You
know
see
what
needs
to
be
clarified
or
adjusted,
and
then
we
dive
into
it
I'm
just
Commissioner
Loberg.
If
there's
any
insight,
instrumentals
or
the
point
person
on
the
HRC
and
working
with
this
liaisoning
with
without
boulders,
so
certainly
would
like
to
hear
their
perspective.
Q
Thanks
yeah
just
to
add
on
about
the
motivations
for
encouraging
you
all
to
direct
the
city
staff
and
city
attorney's
office
to
move
forward
with
these
changes.
We
are
calling
this
inclusive
language,
but
it's
also
just
more
accurate,
more
affirming
and
does
a
better
job
of
ensuring
the
rights
of
the
entire
transgender
community
in
Boulder.
I.
Think
one
thing
in
addition
to
what
clay
has
mentioned
is
that
there's
some
language
that
might
be
I,
think
I
believe
unintentionally,
exclusive
of
portions
of
the
transgender
community,
so
also
some
I
think
other
unintended
consequences.
Q
Current
language
discourages
participation
in
city
government
by
transgender
people,
discourages
use
of
protections
like
the
Human
Rights
Ordinance,
because
when
there
is
language
like
there
currently
is
that,
like
clay
said,
is
offensive
and
not
affirming
it
makes
you
want.
It
makes
you
wonder
if
the
entity
on
the
other
end
is
going
to
be
supportive,
so
some
really
real
impacts
here
and
yes
communicates.
Whether
or
not
Boulder
is
a
safe
and
welcoming
place
for
the
trans
community.
So
thank.
N
The
public
engagement
process
and
I
think
because
of
the
nature
of
what
we're
talking
about
I,
think
that
it's
something
that
we
need
to
approach
with
great
sensitivity
and
with
a
good
deal
of
just
really
making
sure
that
we're
identifying
the
right
stakeholders
to
be
at
the
table.
It
seems
that
it's
been
a
little
bit
different
from
the
process
that
we've
dealt
with
with
respect
to
the
hate
crime
sentence
enhancement.
You
know.
N
Certainly
our
Boulder
is
a
leading
group,
but
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
addressing
all
the
appropriate
stakeholders
and
generating
that
group
coming
to
that
and
the
HRC
commissioners
have
helped
to
start
to
generate
a
list
of
folks
to
work
with
and
as
staff
we've
been
in
very
close
contact
with
the
community
engagement
folks
to
figure
out
the
mechanisms
that
might
be.
You
know
most
effective,
because
I
think
another
piece
too
is,
and
a
couple
events
in
the
last
few
days
have
made
me
a
little
more
sensitive
to
this.
Is
you
know
not?
N
Everybody
may
wish
to
weigh
in
on
this
through
a
public
hearing
and
coming
into
council
chambers
and-
and
that
is
more
than
understandable,
so
I
think
we
do
have
to
look
at
other
mechanisms,
for
people
to
weigh
in
that
may
feel.
You
know
safer
and
to
make
folks
feel
less
vulnerable
in
expressing
kind
of
what
their
needs
are.
A
B
Do
things
Lindsay
thanks
for
bringing
this
word?
This
was
this
was
fantastic
I'm
questioning
then
for
Tom.
You
know
based
upon
the
engagement
somebody
that
that
zan
just
suggested,
would
it
be
parallel
possible
to
move
this
in
parallel
again,
moving
against
an
August,
2nd
date
working
backwards
through
ordinances
through
community
engagements
from
HRC
public
hearing
is
that
is
that
possible?
From
your
perspective,
our
lasting
question
Nikhil
in
a
second.
H
In
my
perspective,
the
drafting
is
not
challenging.
Okay,
it's
the
community
engagement,
sure
and
one
of
things
I'd
like
to
say
is
that
when
they
did
this
18
years
ago,
a
lot
of
people
contributed
and
what
was
many
ways.
A
groundbreaking
ordinance
and
I'd
want
to
honor
those
folks
as
well
and
make
sure
that
we
don't
it
unintentionally,
hurts
them
and
I.
Think
that's
what
clays
saying
right
so
I
the
community
engagement
part
piece
of
this
is
so
much
more
important.
B
B
K
K
L
Thanks
so
much
for
taking
this
up
and
Lindsay
to
you
Britt
in
particular
for
moving
this
forward,
and
so
we
do.
We
do
want
to
listen
to
folks
who
are
involved
the
last
time
around,
but
I
know
thinking
has
changed
since
then
yeah.
You
know
our
language
and
our
code
is
not
fully
inclusive
right
now
and
sometimes
somewhere
in
between
embarrassing
and
offensive.
So
I'm
really
glad
to
take
that
we
can
take
this
on
and
make
these
changes
to
have
our
could
be
more
reflective
of
our
community
Jim
yeah.
J
I
mean
I
agree
with
Aaron
here.
I
was
kind
of
surprised
by
some
of
the
things
that
I
read
that
we're
still
in
there
and
you
know
18
years
ago,
it's
been
a
long
time
ago,
it's
most
of
a
generation
ago,
and
a
lot
of
things
have
changed
in
the
intervening
years
and
so
well.
I
do
want
to
be
respectful
of
the
former
contributors
and
council.
J
I
also
think
that
everyone
would
recognize
that
a
lot
has
changed
in
the
past
18
years
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
not
offensive
in
our
code
and
that
we
are
not
in
any
way
exclusionary
in
our
code.
So
I
think
the
Charter
change
that
you
propose
that
the
voters
approved
is
a
first
step,
and
then
this
just
goes
on
down
to
correcting
things
and
ordinance.
So
thank
you
for
bringing
it
forward.
K
A
Yes,
thank
you
to
you
and
holder
to
the
extent
that
then
there's
work
that
flows
and
we
have
to
change
handbooks
and
stuff
I.
Guess,
let's
not
let
the
total
project
get
in
the
way
of
me.
Keep
getting
ordinates
done
and
stuff
can
flow
from
that
if
it
has
to
obviously
the
faster.
We
move.
The
bedroom,
but
I
just
note
that
there
may
be
more.
That
comes
down
the
pike,
but
let's
get
this
body
of
work
done
this
year.
If
we
can-
and
it
sounds
like
we
can
so
that's
exciting
I'll.
A
L
N
We're
in
good
shape,
you
know,
I,
believe
all
our
questions
have
been
addressed.
My
colleague,
Eitan
Kanter,
will
be
developing
I,
believe
the
summary
points
memo
and
the
next
day,
or
so
for
folks
I'm,
actually
leaving
on
vacation,
but
I
will
be
back.
So
if
people
have
questions
I'll
be
day,
I
just
want
to
make
sure.
O
I
think
so,
and
just
I
have
been
thinking
about,
at
least
as
last
question
to
me
about
the
holding
an
extra
public.
You
know
learning
the
council
take
that
on
with
the
ordinance
and
so
what
we
think
I,
maybe
I'm
confused.
But
what
I
think
is
that
as
I
go,
Tom's
plan
is
to
have
a
go
to
you
on
second
reading
and
in
August
and
have
you
have
your
own
public
use
and
process?
O
We
I
think
we
would
be
fine
with
leaving
it
to
that
and
and
what
I
was
referencing
was
when
tom
has
something
that
he's
obviously
going
to
get
to
you
to
Senate
a
each
other.
Caesars
said
the
Commission
can
have
it
as
an
action
item
for
us
to
discuss
and
vote
up
to
you
to
give
the
the
final
thumbs
up
kind
of
like
the
towing
law
and
stuff
I.
G
O
Just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
many
community
members
that
have
been
on
the
hate
crimes
and
many
of
the
Human
Relations
Commission
issues
and
I
know.
A
lot
of
them
have
been
really
supportive
of
lighting
into
you,
so
shout
out
to
them,
because
I
mean
without
really
these
community
to
live
in
a
flutes.
That's
that's!