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Okay,
fine
I,
like
Pro,
tem,
Pro,
tem,
better
so
I'm
I,
will
now
ask
for
a
motion
to
amend
the
agenda
to
make
two
changes
to
add
item
3C,
which
is
a
consideration
of
emotion,
authorizing
the
co-acting
City
attorney
to
appoint
special
counsel
to
investigate
and,
if
necessary,
prosecute
all
complaints
related
to
a
code
of
com
conduct
complaint
and
to
remove
item
6A,
ccrrs,
non-profit
Support,
Program,
Grant
criteria,
review,
which
has
been
rescheduled
to
the
June
8th
study
session.
E
B
K
K
December
Tajikistan
has
been
Boulder's
sister
city
since
1987.
in
Tajikistan.
The
tea
house
is
the
center
of
community
and
culture,
often
elaborately
painted
and
decorated
the
tea
houses.
Where
tajik
people
gathered
to
share
stories,
debate,
politics,
celebrate
birthdays
and
mourn
deaths,
so
in
1987,
as
Boulder
and
dushanbe
were
cementing
Boulder's.
Second
sister
city
relationship,
the
mayor
of
dushanbe,
visited
our
city
and
offered
a
gift
to
Boulder
with
tajik
Tea
House
Boulder
accepted
the
offer,
and
the
tea
house
was
constructed
into
geekistan
by
Master
wood,
Carvers
and
other
tajik
artisans.
K
The
tea
house
was
then
deconstructed
into
gigasan
and
its
2
343
pieces
were
created
and
shipped
seven
thousand
miles
to
Boulder
for
assembly.
Here
the
delivery
of
the
disassembled
tea
house
was
followed
by
almost
a
decade
of
Spirited
Community
debate
on
whether
to
move
forward
with
assembling
the
gift
and
where
to
actually
erect
it.
K
K
Since
then,
the
tea
House's
operators,
Sarah
and
Lenny
Martinelli,
have
been
serving
meals
and
more
than
100
varieties
of
tea
from
all
over
the
world.
The
tea
houses
become
a
local
favorite
and
a
must-see
destination
for
visitors.
The
interior
features
12
Cedar
columns
each
uniquely
carved
supporting
magnificently
painted
coffers,
recessed
ceiling
panels
depicting
Birds,
butterflies
and
flowers.
Handcrafted
ceramic
tiles,
with
bright
geometric
patterns
fill
every
corner
that
is
not
painted.
Seven
bronze
sculptures
depicting
the
seven
princesses
from
a
12th
century.
K
Persian
poem
dance
around
a
central,
Fountain
and
pool
visitors
who
looked
closely
at
the
walls,
will
find
ancient
poems
written
in
Persian,
as
well
as
the
signature
of
the
tea
House's,
proud,
Artisans
and
builders
inside
and
out.
The
building
is
so
special
that
in
2020
it
became
the
city's
youngest
designated
Landmark,
preserving
the
exterior
and
for
the
very
first
time
in
Boulder,
the
designating
designation
covered
the
interior
as
well,
because
the
dushanbe
tea
house
is
such
a
special
place
in
our
community.
K
We,
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
Boulder,
recognize
and
celebrate
the
25th
anniversary
of
the
boulder
dushanbe
Tea
House.
We
invite
the
community
to
attend.
The
Museum
of
Boulders,
exhibit
displaying
the
artifacts
of
tajik
art
and
culture
and
telling
the
story
of
the
building
of
Boulder's
December
tea
house,
and
we
invite
the
community
to
join
us
in
anniversary
celebrations
at
the
Tea
House
itself,
the
weekend
of
May
19th
to
21st
this
coming
weekend.
K
K
Committee
Tourette's
left
is
Sophia's
Stoller,
so
if
I
had
a
few
a
thing
or
two
to
do
with
the
organization
of
our
sister
city
Arrangement
going
on
40
years
ago,
her
husband
Peter
also
had
a
hand
in
that
as
well,
and
then
our
our
esteemed
guest
umatov,
his
grandfather
was
one
of
the
Artisans
who
created
the
tea
house
more
than
35
years
ago,
and
and
and
watch
it
language
for
10
years.
Sarah,
Boulder
and
marouf
is
visiting
us
from
Tajikistan
this
week
to
celebrate
the
25th
anniversary.
K
Marouf
was
here
about
five
or
six
years
ago
to
help
us
with
some
repairs
to
the
tea
house
that
his
grandfather
helped
build,
and
we
hope
to
have
marouf
back
here
this
coming
summer
to
do
some
more
repairs
to
the
tea
house
and
with
that
I
want
to
turn
over
the
mic
on
to
two
people.
Roof
is
going
to
give
us
a
greeting
in
tajik
and
then
I'll
hand
it
over
to
Sophia,
who
will
tell
us
a
little
bit
more.
L
D
M
D
Thank
you.
At
any
rate,
the
journey
began
over
40
years
ago
during
the
heated
part
of
the
Cold
War.
When
an
ad
hoc
group
of
citizens,
just
ordinary
Boulder
citizens,
came
together
because
they
were
quite
frightened
by
what
was
happening
in
the
world.
D
These
people
are
rarely
mentioned
and
I
really
wanted
to
say
their
names,
because
I
think
it's
important
to
know
that
it
wasn't
just
a
few
people.
There
was
a
core
of
people
that
came
together
and
it
was
under
the
support
of
Mayor
Ruth
Carell,
who
said
yeah.
This
is
a
good
idea
later,
with
Linda
Jorgensen
and
over
time
the
group
used
to
meet
up
at
IBS
in
a
little
attic
room
and
it
included
Mary
Haye,
the
chairperson,
who
was
the
Peace
secretary
for
the
Friends
Meeting.
D
The
friends
was
very
important
in
supporting
the
group,
along
with
Anne
trone
and
Anne
White,
who
were
members
of
the
meeting
Mary
acts,
who
many
people
know
at
the
University
Marcia
Johnston
who
worked
at
International
films
at
cu,
cu,
Russian,
language
professors,
Nicholas
Lee,
Earl,
Sampson
and
graduate
student
Kathy
Dewey
all
worked
for
years
along
with
religion,
Professor,
Doris,
Havas
and
philosophy,
Professor
Jim,
Frank
attorney,
Philip
Gordon
helped
us
become
incorporated
as
a
non-profit,
Margaret
casual
was
a
a
member
and
Russian
language
speakers,
Bob
Wells,
red
Ertl
here
and
then
Samsung
Sussman,
who
recently
passed
away
and
John
George.
D
The
group
searched
for
five
years
relentlessly
sister
city
said
we're
sorry.
We
can't
help
you,
so
we
were
on
our
own
trying
to
find
a
sister
city
on
the
other
side
of
the
Iron
Curtain
and
it
was
difficult.
Finally,
interestingly,
through
a
wedding
announcement
in
the
Daily
Camera,
there
was
an
announcement
that
CU
physics,
Professor
Jim
Scott,
had
married
his
Russian
translator
and
I
thought.
D
Oh
wow,
that's
interesting
how
that
happened
and
it
turned
out
scientists
were
keeping
contact
with
Soviet
scientists
meeting
all
the
time
and
there
were
meetings
going
on
in
each
country
with
each
other,
so
I
called
him
up
and
I
said
blah
blah
blah
we're
looking
for
a
sister
sitting,
and
he
said
great
idea.
I
know
just
the
city
duchampe
and
we
were
like
wow.
D
It
was
really
wonderful,
so
we
sent
many
delegations
to
do
after
the
Soviet
Embassy
said:
oh
okay,
we
sent
delegations
to
duchampe
asking
if
they
would
become
our
sister
city
and
that
included
not
only
Mary
Haye
and
Sam
Sam
and
Cheryl
Sussman,
but
Noah
scientist,
Joe
Allen,
who
was
a
solar
flare
specialist
and
his
wife,
Cheryl
Charlotte,
rather
excuse
me
and
James
and
Golia
Scott
also
went
delivering
letters.
And
finally,
people
said:
oh
okay
and
we
were
able
to
invite
mayor
maksuti
kromov
about
this
time
of
year.
D
The
Tulips
were
out,
and
he
came
here
with
a
scientist,
a
high
school
movie
star
and
a
bricklayer,
and
after
many
conversations
it
was
sort
of
fun
and
sitting
over
Pizza
on
the
floor
at
red
ertl's
house.
He
said
we
should
have
an
exchange
and
it
will
give
you
a
tea
house,
a
traditional
tea
house,
and
we
said,
oh,
that
sounds
wonderful.
D
Nobody
really
knew
what
it
was
and
we'll
give
you
a
pizza,
restaurant,
okay,
so
he
went
home
and
with
a
great
deal
of
political
problems
and
finding
money
from
the
Soviet
government
was
able
to
get
Artisans
together
a
huge
effort
and
construct
this
unbelievable
structure.
The
architect
lado
schnitza
worked
with
Boulder
architect,
Vern
syro,
and
it
eventually
came
here
and
was
unfortunately
in
storage
for
almost
10
years,
very
very
controversial.
As
City
Council
Members
know
it
was
people
searched
for
funding
to
build
it.
It
was
really
really
difficult
to
find
enough
money.
D
Finally,
Frank
day,
who
is
a
well-known
restaurateur
in
Boulder,
was
convinced
that
he
could
that
he
would
take
it
on
and
he
would
find
Bank
funding
to
erect
the
building.
Well,
this
was
good,
and
so
they
were
in
the
process
of
negotiating
all
of
this
when
it
turned
out
the
site
that
the
city
had
identified
was
an
EPA,
Superfund
Site
and
as
soon
as
the
banks
heard
that
they
said
forget
it,
and
that
was
sort
of
now.
D
What
do
we
do
and
Vern
and
the
future
Builder
and
Mary
came
to
the
city
to
talk
with
city
manager,
Tim,
honey
and
him
honey
said
I
have
an
idea
and
he
knew
about
some
funds
in
a
water
fund
and,
along
with
the
support
of
city
council
president
Leslie
Durgan
and
Don
mock
came
up
with
the
idea
of
borrowing
I
think
it
was
eight
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
build
the
tea
house
and
with
a
very
close
vote
with
city
council.
D
It
was
passed
and
in
fact
it
it
was
built
and
four
Artisans
came
from
duchampe
over
Ramadan
when
two
of
them
were
fastening
the
whole
time
and
it
was
put
up
and
opened
in
May
25
years
ago
to
a
huge
crowd
of
thousands
of
people,
and
it
has
been
one
of
the
most
popular
sites
in
Boulder
since
then,
so
it
wasn't
born
under
a
cabbage
leaf.
But
it
really
came
from
a
lot
of
citizens
who
have
many,
who
are
now
deceased
and
large
groups
of
people
who
supported
the
effort.
M
B
All
right
thanks
so
much
for
that
and
thanks
to
that
Council
25
years
ago,
for
passing,
that
by
five
to
three
and
creating
a
community
treasure,
okay.
So
moving
on
to
item
1B,
which
is
the
older
Americans
month
declaration
presented
by
council
member
friend,
thank.
N
You
mayor,
Brockett,
I'm,
gonna,
sit
and
read
this
and
I
will
invite
our
guests
to
join
me
in
just
a
minute
after
I'm
done
reading
it,
if
that's
okay,
they're
being
very
generous
and
allowing
me
to
read
from
a
seated
position
because
I'm
still
getting
over
coveted
and
it's
a
little
bit
hard
to
stand
for
too
long.
But
it
is
my
pleasure
and
honor
to
read
our
declaration
for
older
Americans
month
of
May
2023.
N
each
May,
the
administration
for
Community
Living
sets
the
theme
for
older
Americans
month,
and
this
year's
theme
is
aging
Unbound.
This
theme
opens
the
opportunity
for
all
community
members
to
explore
diversity
in
the
Aging
experience
and
invites
conversations
about
combating
aging
stereotypes
and
bias.
In
1963,
when
President
John
F
Kennedy
created
older
Americans
month,
only
17
Americans
had
reached
their
65th
birthday.
Today
there
are
currently
55
million
older
adults
in
the
United
States,
who
are
who
are
65
years
of
age
or
older.
Currently,
in
Colorado
there
are
more
adults,
age
60
than
children.
N
Under
one
year
of
age.
In
the
next
decade,
adults
over
65
will
be
the
fastest
growing
age
group
older
Americans
month
is
a
time
to
honor
and
acknowledge
and
value
older
adults
as
they
contribute
their
time,
wisdom
and
experience
to
our
community.
It
is
time
to
emphasize
the
many
positive
aspects
of
Aging
to
push
past
traditional
boundaries
of
Aging
stereotypes
and
to
embrace
our
community's
diversity.
N
O
Q
P
B
R
Thank
you
good
evening
on,
thank
you
for
being
here
this
evening
to
share
your
thoughts,
your
perspectives
and
opinions.
We're
grateful
for
your
participation
want
to
make
sure
we
talk
through
some
of
the
guidelines
for
this
evening
and
share
that
the
city
has
engaged
with
Queen
members
to
co-create
division
for
productive,
meaningful
and
inclusive
Civic
conversations.
R
This
Vision
supports
physical
and
emotional
safety
for
community
members
staff
and
Council,
as
well
as
democracy
for
people
of
all
ages,
identities,
lived
experiences
and
political
perspectives,
there's
more
information
on
the
city's
website
about
this
vision
and
then,
as
we
turn
to
the
next
slide,
sharing
a
few
examples
of
rules
of
decorum
found
within
the
boulder
Revised,
Code
and
other
guidelines
that
similarly
support
this
Vision.
We
will
uphold
these
during
this
council
meeting
all
remarks
and
testimony
shall
be
limited
to
matters
related
to
City
business.
R
No
participants
shall
make
threats
or
use
other
forms
of
intimidation
against
any
person,
obscenity,
racial
apopaths
and
other
speech
and
behavior
that
disrupt
or
otherwise
impede
the
ability
to
conduct
the
means
are
prohibited.
Participants
are
required
to
sign
up
to
speak
using
the
name.
They
are
commonly
known
by,
and
individuals
must
display
their
whole
name
before
being
allowed
to
speak
online.
Currently
on
the
audio
testimony
is
permitted
online
in-person
participants
are
asked
to
refrain
from
expressing
support
or
disagreement
verbally
or
with
Applause,
with
the
exception
of
support
for
declarations,
as
we
just
saw.
R
B
Thank
you,
Ron
all
right,
we've
got
10
in-person
speakers
and
two
virtual
ones.
I'll
read
three
names
at
a
time.
If
you're
in
person,
you
can
start
moving
towards
the
podium.
If
your
name
is
getting
queued
up
and
you
have
two
minutes
to
speak,
our
first
three
speakers
are
Douglas
bent:
Marcia,
buyer
and
Evan
rabbits.
S
Good
evening
my
name
is
Douglas
bent
I'm
the
president
of
horizon
West
Condominium
Association,
located
at
1850
Folsom
Street
tonight,
however,
I'm
speaking
my
capacity
as
an
individual
resident
I'm
opposed
to
the
locating
the
homelessness
day,
Services
Center
at
1844
Folsom
Street
many
factors
make
the
proposed
location
unsuitable
as
one
example.
S
It's
only
two
blocks
from
Hazel's
and
two
dispensaries
providing
easy
access
to
alcohol
and
marijuana
products,
but
I
want
to
focus
this
evening
on
the
fact
that
the
site
would
incur
costs
of
approximately
three
million
dollars
in
unnecessary
costs,
element
properties
and
its
partner
paid
5.3
million
dollars
in
late
2021
for
the
six
thousand
square
foot
building
on
a
0.66
Acre
Site
a
vacant
lot
across
the
street
at
1855
Folsom,
almost
exactly
the
same
size
is
listed
for
2.7
million
dollars.
Therefore,
the
implied
value
of
the
building
is
2.6
million
dollars.
S
S
Why
not
choose
a
more
suitable
vacant
location
now
to
avoid
these
extra
costs,
a
temporary
location
could
be
rented
and
used
during
the
construction
period.
Choosing
a
different
site
that
is
vacant
would
avoid
nearly
3
million
dollars
for
the
acquisition,
renovation
and
demolition
costs
for
the
existing
building.
S
T
Good
evening,
mayor
Brockett
and
city
council,
my
name
is
Marcia.
Byer
I
have
been
a
boulder
resident
for
27
years.
Chautauqua
I
think
is
a
crown
jewel
of
Boulder.
Its
goal
remains,
as
it
was
in
the
late
19th
and
20th
Century
to
promote
the
Arts
education
and
community
we're
fortunate
to
have
Chautauqua.
However,
the
current
CCA
board
is
allowing
the
executive
director
to
overreach
in
her
actions
and
make
Reckless
decisions
that
do
not
align
with
the
mission.
T
Recently,
a
decision
was
made
to
destroy
the
100
year
old
Garden
that
has
provided
flowers,
fruits
and
vegetables
to
the
staff
visitors
and
the
cottagers.
A
50-year
resident
of
Chautauqua
has
maintained
the
community
garden.
The
historic
Garden
was
destroyed
at
the
direction
of
CCA
staff,
without
approval
from
the
building
and
grounds
committee,
the
CCA
board,
and
without
obtaining
a
landmark's
alteration
certificate.
T
This
is
one
example
of
sheer
disrespect
and
disregard
for
the
longtime
resident,
but
considering
that
Chautauqua
has
a
National,
Historic
Landmark
designation
and
is
a
tremendous
value
to
Boulder,
with
over
1
million
visitors
a
year.
There
are
strict
rules
regarding
this
additional.
The
Additionally,
the
Ed,
made
a
decision
to
implement
a
centralized
trash
collection
system
without
seeking
Community
input
and
ignoring
questions
and
concerns
from
the
cottage
owners
and
neighbors,
but
now
have
a
trash
dump
in
their
backyard
again,
the
overreach
affected
all
the
cottagers,
especially
the
multi-generational
families,
who
started
our
Chautauqua.
T
Unfortunately,
there
is
a
pattern
with
this
board
and
the
Ed,
especially
not
to
involve
the
cottagers
in
the
important
decisions
that
ultimately
affect
them.
The
residents
have
an
Institutional
knowledge
that
is
invaluable
to
Chautauqua
and
should
be
called
upon
rather
than
ignored.
Finally,
I'm
asking
you
the
council,
to
enforce
the
collaborative
stewardship
framework
that
the.
P
Four
years
ago,
Dan
Newman,
president
of
the
non-profit
map,
light
flew
at
their
expense
to
Boulder,
to
show
us
the
free
online
petitioning
system
they
offered
and
are
still
offering
Boulder
for
free.
He
demonstrated
it
here
at
City
Hall,
but
then,
in
the
words
of
former
council
member
Steve
pomerance,
the
city
went
dark.
P
Seven
months
later,
we
learned
that
the
city
had
rejected
the
free
offer
on
false
pretenses.
Then
City,
I.T,
director,
Julia
Richmond,
falsely
told
two
city,
council
members
and
our
city
elections
working
group,
including
Matt
Benjamin,
that
quote
maplight
had
never
made
a
secure
website,
but
they
had
for
the
California
Secretary
of
State,
the
League
of
Women
Voters
and
now
Denver
elections.
P
Julia
left
her
job
with
the
city.
A
month
later.
Instead,
the
city
spent
half
a
million
dollars
on
inferior
software,
which
has
hobbled
petitioning
ever
since
I
urge
people
to
try
to
sign
the
two
petitions
now
active
at
the
city
website
on
the
screen,
which
is
petitions.boldercolorado.gov.
You
can
try
the
process
without
completing
your
endorsement.
P
The
maplight
software
is
superior
because
it
allows
you
to
receive
your
ID
code
by
email
or
mail
as
well
as
text
or
phone,
and
it's
open
source
instead
of
proprietary
software,
so
we
can
inspect
and
control
and
improve
and
share
it.
The
city
manager
should
accept
the
free
software
test
it
against
the
existing
software
and
choose
the
best
one.
You
owe
it
to
the
71
percent
of
Voters
who
voted
for
a
usable
system
them
coming
up
on
five
years
ago.
P
U
Thank
you
Council.
My
name
is
Robert
helterbrand
I'm,
a
resident
of
the
Whittier
neighborhood,
as
well
as
a
business
owner
in
that
neighborhood
I,
have
a
CPA
firm,
located
at
1823
Folsom
Street,
almost
directly
across
from
the
1844
Folsom,
the
site
selected
for
the
new
homeless
day.
Services
Center
I've
seen
the
considerations
given
to
that
site.
Selection
and
I
see
no
consideration
given
to
the
neighborhood,
the
overall
Community,
the
residents
or
the
businesses
of
that
area.
The
Whittier
neighborhood
is
a
thriving
business
Community
with
very
few
empty
commercial
or
retail
buildings.
U
Unlike
many
areas
of
this
city,
it
is
composed
mostly
of
local
businesses
that
are
will
be
severely
impacted
by
slight
changes,
such
as
an
increase
in
the
homeless
population
of
the
area.
It
is
home
to
Boulder
institutions
like
the
dairy,
Arts,
Center,
McGuckin's
Hardware
and
the
Village
Coffee
Shop.
It
is
the
economic
Crossroads
of
our
town.
It
is
0.5
miles
from
Pearl
Street,
Mall,
29th,
Street
mall
and
the
CU
football
stadium.
U
Why
was
the
impact
on
the
neighborhood,
the
businesses,
the
residents
and
the
overall
economy
and
potential
tax
revenue
of
this
city
not
considered
when
a
location
was
selected?
Why
is
an
economic
impact
study
not
been
performed
as
to
what
impact
this
will
have
on
our
neighborhood
and
our
businesses?
Thank
you
very
much.
V
Great
thank
you.
Steve
pomeranz335
17th
Street.
This
comments
regarding
the
process
for
setting
titles
for
ballot
measures.
My
request
is,
you
add
three
points
to
the
BRC
or
the
charter.
Point
number
one:
the
committee,
the
council,
shall
seek
the
input
of
the
committee
of
petitioners.
Point
number
two
ballot
title
shall
be
clear
as
regard
the
effect
of
yes
versus
a
no
vote
and
that
any
registered
voter
May
protest
at
the
adequacy
of
a
ballot
title
next
slide.
V
Please
removing
the
offending
section
of
the
BRC,
as
you
are
doing,
will
fix
some
of
the
title
setting
problems,
but
not
all.
In
particular,
the
municipal
election
code
in
the
state
code
which
we
will
be
following,
does
not
allow
petitions
to
have
a
title
only
a
summary
that
would
have
solved
the
problem
with
the
CU
South
petition.
V
Additionally,
the
state
law
provides
clear
standards
for
ballot
titles,
especially
with
regard
to
what
a
yes
or
a
no
vote
means,
but
the
current
Charter
does
not
have
that
requirement
about
a
yes
versus
a
no
vote,
so
that
needs
to
be
added
somewhere,
probably
in
the
BRC
next
slide
about
the
charter.
The
charter
only
requires
that
the
council
get
input
from
the
petitioners
about
titles,
for
initiatives,
but
not
for
referenda
or
recalls,
if
you
had
that
in
place,
that
would
have
helped
solve
the
problem
with
CU
South.
V
That
needs
to
be
fixed
next
slide.
This
is
the
one
regarding
state
law
next
one
next,
next,
okay
state
law
leaves
it
to
local
governments
to
set
rules
for
protesting
poorly
written
battle
ballot.
Titles-
that's
what
you
will
be
operating
under,
but
unfortunately
it
says,
as
provided
by
local
Charter,
ordinance
or
resolution,
so
provides
no
direction
on
protests,
so
in
summary,
you're
on
a
good
path
to
start
with,
which
was
getting
rid
of
the
car
Amendment.
But
now
you
need
to
add
these
other
three
points.
Thank
you.
V
M
M
Thank
council
member
Folkers
for
attending
the
Boulder
County
preservation
Awards
last
week
and
staying
the
entire
time.
Oh,
we
had
over
a
hundred
I
counted.
Numbers
are
important
to
me.
I
counted
150
people
there,
so
preservation
is
important
in
our
community.
I
specifically
want
to
thank
council
member
Bob
Yates
for
your
newsletter.
It's
the
first
time.
I've
had
to
do
it
while
I
agree
with
90
of
the
things
you
state
I,
think
it
keeps
me
informed
in
what
I
enjoy
in
the
community.
M
I
also
want
to
thank
City
Council
for
the
time
commitments
you've
given
to
the
services
of
Boulder
in
the
Boulder
Community.
Your
time
is
well
noted
and
your
continued
support
for
preservation
is
well
appreciated.
Well,
I,
don't
agree
with
all
your
decisions.
Your
deliberation
is
open,
Fair
and
well
discussed,
for
example,
in
June
of
2022
historic
Boulder
bought
before
this
board
a
recommendation
to
expand
the
Bandshell.
M
At
that
time,
staff
did
not
agree
that
it
was
appropriate
to
move
forward
for
three
reasons:
one
it
was
part
of
a
hip.
The
hip
is
complete.
It
hasn't
been
finalized
by
Parks
and
Rec,
but
that's
their
problem.
Not
ours.
Number
two
is
that
you
wanted
collaboration
between
the
landmarks
board
and
the
Parks
and
Recreation
board.
It's
been
10
months
and
they've
not
met
yet
they've
met
on
the
staff
supposedly,
but
not
between
each
other.
M
O
Council's
recent
memo
dated
May
18th
from
the
city
manager
and
staff
is
the
result
of
months
of
their
working
together
without
boards
or
citizens.
Their
proposal
is
to
spend
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
on
outside
Consultants
when
we
could
be
doing
the
work,
creating
a
historic
district
as
staff
was
directed
last
year.
The
memo
carefully
proposes
stalling
the
historic
district
process
for
the
property
at
the
heart
of
Boulder.
That
is
undoubtedly
the
most
well
documented
and
studied
Block
in
the
entire
city.
The
information
in
history
are
at
our
fingertips
and
readily
available.
O
The
Civic
area
along
the
creek
was
designed
by
this
country's
first
and
most
famous
landscape
architect,
the
history
and
importance
of
Boulder
of
the
to
Boulder
of
This
Land
Is
Well
documented.
The
fact
is,
without
the
designation,
historic
preservationists
and
the
landmarks
board:
don't
have
a
seat
at
the
table
for
the
already
funded
phase,
two
of
the
East
End.
O
W
W
The
great
people
at
parks
and
rec
are
addressing
some
of
the
media
issues
around
a
few
of
the
outdoor
courts
in
town.
But
the
long-term
problem
facing
us
is
that
tennis
won't
have
a
home
in
Boulder
after
next
year.
There
will
be
nowhere
to
play
for
nearly
half
of
the
year
and
all
the
people
looking
for
the
courts.
Coaching
events
and
community
of
a
tennis
center
will
have
no
options.
W
This
isn't
just
a
tennis
issue.
This
is
an
issue
around
the
attractiveness
of
Boulder
and
its
reputation
as
a
great
place
to
live
when
all
the
other
nearby
communities
like
Longmont,
Lafayette,
Louisville,
Arvada
and
Westminster
have
better
recreational
options
than
us.
Can
we
still
say
that
we
belong
on
the
list
of
best
places
to
live,
Parks
and
Rec
is
said
that
they
are
running
a
court
study
this
year
around
potential
new
tennis
facilities.
I
sincerely
hope
that
the
outcome
of
this
study
is
that
we
find
the
land
for
a
new
tennis
facility
for
Boulder
residents.
X
Hi,
my
name
is
Dawn
burgle,
a
boulder
resident
and
also
a
tennis
player
I'm
here
to
raise
awareness
of
a
once
in
a
generation
opportunity
for
the
city
to
allocate
space
for
a
facility
that
will
bring
community-wide
benefit
decisions
are
being
made
in
the
coming
year
regarding
the
development
of
Valmont
Park,
the
last
suitable
space
to
build
a
significant
tennis
and
pickleball
facility.
My
request
is
not
about
routine
maintenance
and
neighborhood
courts.
The
the
P
R
department
has
that
under
control,
this
is
a
bigger
picture.
One
that
city
council
should
be
aware
of.
X
Boulder
needs
to
allocate
land
for
a
public
private
partnership
to
create
an
indoor,
outdoor,
Tennis,
Center,
Parks
and
Rec
is
well
aware
of
the
exploding
demand
for
courts
since
the
pandemic.
Pickleball
is
a
phenomena
that
competes
for
the
same
resources,
then
add
the
loss
of
the
cu's
South
courts
in
the
annexation
and
the
impending
closure
of
the
rmtc,
with
the
Millennium
Hotel
note
that
both
of
those
are
used
by
the
public
for
lessons
for
leagues
for
tournaments
they're,
not
just
for
CU
athletes
or
private
members.
X
Arvada
Longmont,
Parker,
Centennial
and
Denver
are,
among
others,
have
significant
public
tennis
facilities.
Attracting
wide
usage.
Boulder
has
none.
Valmont
Park
is
the
last
suitable
place
in
Boulder,
and
it
needs
to
be
a
Civic
priority
to
allocate
the
land
and
then
allow
the
tennis
and
pickle
communities
to
organize
and
fundraise
and
build
if
this
opportunity
slips
by
there's
no
next
location
to
consider
in
the
future,
I
ask
that
the
city
take
advantage
of
it
and
help
create
a
project
of
lasting
value.
Thank
you.
Y
Council
members
I'm
Dan
Corson,
as
I
celebrate
my
50th
anniversary
in
Boulder
I,
reflect
on
my
great
privilege
and,
having
chaired
the
landmarks
board
chair
the
planning
board
and
served
in
your
seats
for
a
while
for
a
total
of
18
and
a
half
years
during
the
my
final
17
years
of
my
career,
I
was
employed
with
the
state
historic
preservation
office
now,
as
I
entered
dinosaur
Hood
in
the
community.
I
am
disappointed
in
saddened
with
the
unbalter-like
process
for
the
proposed
Civic
Center
historic
district
that
eliminates
meaningful,
meaningful
participation
by
Boards
and
citizens.
Y
For
example,
the
recent
letter
to
you
from
the
friends
of
the
Bandshell
sent
over
my
email
address
was
written
because
we
could
not
obtain
a
status
on
the
Civic
Center
historic
district
project
from
staff.
Why
the
secrecy,
the
email
response
I
soon
I
soon
to
his
credit,
received
from
Park
staff
States
and
I
quote
in
part
note
that
the
development
of
a
cultural
landscape
assessment
that
is
part
of
the
staff
planning
process
and
review
of
a
historic
district
application
will
be
related
but
are
separate
efforts.
Do
the
code
required
time
frames
for
review
of
applications?
Y
These
two
processes
will
overlap
and
proceed
concurrently.
However,
the
staff
memo
to
you
implies
that
a
historic
district
will
not
be
considered
until
after
completion
of
a
cultural
landscape
assessment
and
is
unclear
whether
it
is
Staff
making
the
decision
to
proceed.
Central
Park
is
a
small
parcel
and
perhaps,
over
recent
decades,
the
most
studied
and
assessed
piece
of
land
in
the
city.
The
two
experts
on
the
cultural
significance
of
the
site
and
its
features
are
right
here
in
Boulder,
former
planning,
director,
Peter,
pawlik
and
architect,
Catherine
Barth.
Y
Their
research
has
stressed
interests
that
are
transited,
Colorado
to
DC
and
Massachusetts
and
elsewhere,
and
just
last
year,
landscape,
architect,
Tina
Bishop
Bishop,
issued
a
report
addressed
to
planning
staff
on
the
cultural
significance
to
the
park
and
its
various
features
listing
both
contributing
and
non-contributing
features
to
propose
an
RFP
with
project
completion
in
a
few
months
just
does
not
happen
in
the
real
world
in
June
22
2022.
This
Council
asked
that
the
district
we
bought
back
to
it
in
2023.
This
will
not
occur
under
the
plant
or
what
I
believe
may
be.
The
planned
scenario.
Z
Yeah
Lynn
Siegel:
you
need
to
zone
for
a
drugstore
like
Alpine
Balsam.
It's
not
going
to
have
a
drugstore
pharmaca's
gone
from
from
Pearl
Street.
Now
it's
gone
from
ideal.
You
need
to
do
Zoning
for
the
services
that
we
need
not
building.
Another
condo
I
was
riding
my
bike
out
by
The
JCC,
my
God
Coburn's,
building
a
whole
city
there
of
condos.
You
know
more
expensive
condos.
This
is
going
to
be
renamed
condo
City.
This
is
ridiculous.
It's
it's!
Z
You
know
you
blink
and
you're
not
going
to
recognize
this
place,
not
okay
balance,
jobs,
housing
just
say:
balance
jobs,
housing!
Put
that
in
your
mind,
when
you
go
to
sleep
every
night
and
do
that,
because
that
is
the
only
thing
that
will
save
this
city
jobs,
housing,
balance,
otherwise,
you're
on
the
cycle
of
Despair,
more
housing,
more
services
needed
more
low-income
jobs
to
provide
the
services
more
more
housing
needed
for
those.
Low-Income
people
can't
live
in
Boulder.
You
know
homeless,
Center
on
Folsom
Street,
that's
problematic!
Z
You
know
that
we
get
these
federal
funds
from
the
government
for
the
homeless,
so
what
we
should
not
accept
them,
even
because
you
know
what
it's
a
pittance
compared
to
what's
happening
with
lightec
funds
that
are
supporting
growth
in
all
of
the
Cities
throughout
the
United
States
blowing
our
economy,
as
of
June,
1st
and
the
global
economy.
For
that
matter,
you
know
this.
Housing
is
a
crisis
and
it
starts
here
in
Boulder.
We
can
change
it.
Z
Stop
the
subsidies,
stop
the
subsidies
and
increase
the
historic
district
right
up
to
even
Fine
park
that
Frederick
Law
Olmstead.
Had
it
right,
it's
like
everyone,
said
I
how
come
I
agree
with
everyone
that
speaks
at
these
meetings
every
time
and
every
time
after
the
meeting,
nobody
says
anything
to
them.
There's
no
response!
You
have
a
lot
of
community
anger
here
and
you
know:
I
have
an
angry
voice,
I'm.
Sorry,
it's
not
a
happy
voice,
but
do
something.
B
AA
On
the
more
Mortuary
I
was
violently
attacked
and
chased
out
of
Emma
Gomez
Martinez
part
by
a
man
who
was
angry.
That
I
had
reported
another
person
to
Boulder
Police
for
allowing
their
dog
to
repeatedly
antagonize
my
service
dog
in
that
same
park.
The
attacker
pursued
me
threatening
to
beat
me
the
entire
time.
AA
AA
As
of
this
time,
I
have
received
no
response
from
BPD
regarding
a
formal
complaint.
I
know
that
BPD
officers
refused
to
enforce
the
laws
in
Boulder.
This
refusal
to
take
action
can
be
completely
arbitrary,
as
in
my
case,
simply
because
yasser's
liked
the
appearance
of
The
Suspect
with
absolutely
no
concern
for
the
impact
that
protection
for
the
perpetrator
has
upon
the
victim
oversight
of
bpd's
actions
is
critical
because
they
can
simply
decide
to
ignore
complaints
or
summarily
disregard
any
concerns
raised
by
those
complaints.
AA
B
AB
Thank
you
mayor
a
couple
things
and
thank
you
all
for
sharing
your
voices.
As
always
I
want
to
say.
I
I
know
that
City
staff
in
relation
to
the
Services
Center
I,
know
that
City
staff
has
been
working
with
folks,
particularly
those
at
Horizon
West,
and
there
is
a
meeting
scheduled
at
the
end
of
the
month
and
hope
to
continue
to
have
conversations
with
community
on
that
project.
AB
I
want
to
also
just
thank
for
the
passion
of
those
that
are
interested
in
tennis
in
our
community.
I
know
that
I
have
heard
from
our
Parks
and
Rec
that
they
are
involved
in
a
court
system
plan
to
really
think
about
what
does
that
look
like
and
what
is
the
future
for
continuing
to
support
tennis
activities
in
the
city
and
Council
will
be
hearing
about
that
in
the
future.
AB
I
wanted
to
speak
to
the
questions
about
the
historic
preservation
and
the
Band
Shell
and
just
want
to
appreciate
I
know
everyone's
passionate
about
such
a
wonderful
asset
in
our
community
staff
continues
to
move
forward
on
the
cultural
assessment.
I,
don't
have
the
deadlines
and
the
dates
at
my
fingertips
right
now,
but
know
that
we
will
continue
to
advance
that
and
we
will
make
sure
that
we
keep
community
and
Council
apprised
as
that
moves
forward
and
I.
Think
for
now.
J
Thank
you,
mayor,
Brockett,
I
just
have
a
question
based
on
some
of
the
comments
that
were
made
earlier
and
I
know
Maria.
You,
you've
answered
a
few
of
them
concerning
the
day
Center
and
one
of
my
question
to
you
and
I'm
wondering
if
maybe
the
speaker
can't
speak
for
him,
but
if
he
was
talking
about
a
different
bill
or
proposition.
J
We've
talked
about
on
Council
before,
because
one
of
the
comments
were
that
were
made
was
that
there
are
businesses
that
sell
different
substances
or
shall
I
say
marijuana,
and
my
question
to
you
is
whether
the
day
Center
will
allow
any
type
of
substances,
meaning
that,
if
someone
is
using
the
day
Center
will
they
be
able
to
bring
such
substances
own
property.
AB
I
know
that
the
services
that
we're
doing-
and
we
continue
to
think
about
what
that
is.
But
there
is
no
usage
allowed
in
our
facilities
and
that
will
be
part
of
sort
of
the
rules
and
protocols
for
the
day.
Services
Center,
as
we
move
forward.
J
Thank
you
for
that
and
I
think.
My
next
question
is
about
Outreach,
also
I,
believe
that
was
by
Mr
hilderbrand.
He
mentioned
Whittier
and
he
mentioned
the
lack
of
community
outreach,
and
you
just
mentioned
you
know
we're
doing
a
lot
of
Outreach,
but
my
question
to
you
to
the
best
of
your
knowledge.
What
type
of
Outreach
has
been
done
to
that
Community
itself,
not
just
one
particular
organization,
but
to
the
community
to
ensure
that
there
is
buy-in
and
also
that
they
are
involved
as
part
of
this
process.
AB
AC
Good
evening
Council
Kurt,
fernhauer
housing
and
Human
Services.
Thank
you
for
your
question,
councilman
member
Joseph,
so
the
from
a
zoning
standpoint
the
use
on
that
use
on
on
that
type
of
site.
What
is
required
is
a
good
neighbor
meeting
and
that
will
be
occurring
only
once
we
are
further
along
and
have
more
information
to
give
residents
and
neighbors,
and
the
purpose
of
a
good
neighbor
meeting
under
the
code
is
for
Neighbors
to
be
able
to
give
feedback
on
the
operations
of
such
a
center.
AC
It's
an
administrative
approval
that
use
in
that
type
of
building,
so
it
doesn't
require
sort
of
Outreach
of
an
approval
from
Neighbors.
That's
pretty
unusual,
but
we
will
so
we're
having
additional
meetings,
we're
meeting
with
the
direct
neighbors
to
the
North
and
then
we're
also
in
conversations
with
the
chamber
about
having
conversation
with
the
business
community.
AC
AC
AC
We
don't
have
anything
scheduled
at
this
point.
It
would
probably,
however,
align
with
a
similar
update
on
General
homeless
Services,
which
I
think
is
September
I.
J
Yeah,
thank
you
for
that
and
thank
you
for
your
response.
Based
on
what
I
hear
I
can
understand
now.
Well,
I
mean
we've
been
having
those
conversations
for
a
very
long
time
and
I
know
that's
something
that
we
strive
as
a
CD
to
ensure
that
community
members
or
receive
notice.
That's
why
we
have
those
community
outreach
and
engagement
with
community
members.
J
So
I
appreciate
your
statement
that
hey
here's
the
code
requirement
but
I
can
understand
as
well
that
community
members
they
are
coming
before
Council
and
expressing
some
of
this
their
discomfort
sure
so,
but
thank
you,
yeah.
Thank
you.
Machine.
B
AD
I
had
a
cup
stay,
there
I
think
I
think
you're,
probably
the
one
to
answer
this,
maybe
more
than
area
but
I'll
post
an
area
and
then
you
can
tell
again
I'm
just
you
know.
It
strikes
me
that
there
have
been
a
few
times
in
our
City's
history,
where
we
have
opened
up
some
sort
of
service
facility
that
is
primarily
working
with
people
who
are
experiencing
homelessness.
So
we
had
the
the
overnight
shelter
in
its
original
location,
downtown
right.
AD
We
also
had
the
shelter
when
it
moved
to
this
North
Broadway
location,
and
then
we
also
have
Lee
Hill,
Road
and
I'm.
Just
wondering
you
know:
do
we
have
some
kind
of
accumulated
information
or
data
on
what
happened
to
those
neighborhoods,
because
I,
look
at
North,
Boulder,
North
Boulder
seems
to
be
thriving
right
now,
but
you
know,
was
there
kind
of?
Were
there
any?
You
know
less
desirable
impacts
of
having
those
things
there
and
and
I
don't
know.
AD
If
that's
something
you
know
an
area,
that's
that's
being
included
in
in
these
discussions
or
or
something
we
can
learn
more
about.
I'll.
AB
Defer
to
director
fernhauber
to
respond
to
it,
just
because
I
haven't
been
in
my
two
years
that
hasn't
opened
and
during
my
tenure,
but
I
certainly
will
say
that
I
have
seen
that
in
other
communities
as
well
and
understand
the
concerns
and
have
seen
that
not
play
out
the
concerns
play
out
in
the
way
people
think.
But
it
also
has
to
do
with
the
programming
and
the
resources
given
to
the
particular
location.
Kurt
would
know
more
about
Boulder.
AC
AC
We
have
seen
a
significant
reduction
in
interaction
with
PD
related
to
the
individuals
who
are
staying
at
Lee,
Hill
from
when
they
became
unhoused
to
when
they
became
housed.
There
is
very
little
calls
of
service
to
Lee
Hill
and
probably
not
any
more
than
any
other
sort
of
apartment
complex.
AC
However,
we
also
know
that
there
are
impacts
on
the
community
when
we
introduce
new
services
and
we
want
to
be
careful
and
thoughtful
about
how
the
operations
of
that
could
either
have
positive
or
negative
impacts
on
the
neighbors.
But
lastly,
I'll
say
these
impacts
that
we
have
are
are
community-wide
and
throughout
our
entire
community,
and
a
lot
of
the
programs
that
were
were
working
on,
which
are
also
initiatives
of
of
yours,
are
to
have
a
wider
Community
impact.
AD
N
Okay,
my
questions
thanks
to
everyone
who
is
here.
This
was
a
very
interesting
open,
come
at
night.
First,
on
the
day,
Services
Center
again,
you
know
I
I
I
think
we
need
to
be
pretty
empathetic
to
people's
fears
and
I
I.
Don't
think
right
now
we
have
a
ton
of
trust
from
the
community
that
we
can
adequately
enforce.
N
You
know,
incidents
and
and
issues
so
I
think
we
have
some
trust.
Building
to
do
and
I
can
understand
why
people
are
worried.
N
My
question,
or
maybe
one
thing
that
might
be
helpful
to
get
an
update
on
there
you
are
director
for
knobber,
is
when
we
toured
a
safe
outdoor
space.
The
the
result
there
was
an
improvement
in
the
in
the
neighborhood
impacts
on
crime
and
and
encampments
was
reduced.
N
When
we,
when
council
member
Yates
and
I
toured
a
day
shelter
in
Denver,
they
had
a
pretty
rigid
rule
like
you
could
not
come
in
for
services.
If
you
were
camping
within
or
or
you
know,
caught
doing
anything
within
a
certain
number
of
blocks
or
something.
So
there
were
really
tight
efforts
to
make
sure
that
there
weren't
going
to
be
the
neighborhood
impacts
that
people
worry
about.
N
So
I
think
it
might
be
helpful
for
us
and
for
the
community
to
hear,
in
addition
to
the
Good
Neighbor
agreement
that
that's
being
worked
on
like
what
is
the
research
kind
of
to
Nicole's
Point
as
well
of
how
we're
going
to
be
planful
and
and
can
really
assure
the
community,
and
that
they
can
have
trust
in
us
that
we're
going
to
carry
that
through.
So
that's,
maybe
more
a
request
than
probably
something
you
can
answer
today.
AC
Yes,
that
did
make
sense,
and
thank
you
for
that.
AC
Yeah
and
I
I
think
our
visits
to
those
locations
were
similar
and
that's
why
the
the
input
of
the
neighbors
will
be
important
as
we
look
at
at
how
it
actually
functions
and
how
it
operates
and
how
it
deals
with
the
surrounding
blocks
around
it
as
well,
but
I.
In
essence,
these
these
programs
and
services
that
we're
starting
are
really
meant
to
have
a
more
positive
impact
on
the
entire
community
and
knowing
that,
where
they
occur,
we
have
to
pay
special
attention
and
I
certainly
agree.
We
need
to
be.
E
N
On
the
tennis
commenters
I
am
a
former
tennis,
High
School
tennis
captain
and
my
you
know,
come
from
a
family
of
players
and
I.
Think
our
Fairview
girls
team
just
went
to
State
as
I
recall
like
where
we
we
do
have
a
proud
tennis
history
in
this
town
and
It's
upsetting
to
hear
that
that
is
at
risk.
N
So
I'm
like
are
we
looking
at
it
for
Valmont,
which
is
what
some
of
the
speakers
said
and
I
also
wanted
to
note
that
I
think
there
you
know,
there's
also
the
area
3
planning
Reserve,
which
will
have
some
large
Park
opportunities.
So
you
know
is
that
something
that
that
we
as
a
council
could
say
we.
We
do
want
to
make
sure
that
that
tennis,
which
is
such
a
popular
sport,
thrives.
AB
I'll
say
this:
I
know
that
for
parks
and
rec
tennis
is
also
a
sport
that
they
want
to
see
Thrive.
The
purpose
of
the
I
want
to
get
it
right.
The
court
system
plan,
because
if
not
Ali,
will
see
this
at
another
point
and
come
down
on
me,
but
the
purpose
of
the
court
system
plan
really
is
to
do
to
to
think
about
what
does
our
community
want?
What
does
our
community
need?
It
is
the
truth
and
I
think
this
has
happened
nationally.
AB
There
will
be
considerations
about
where
that
locates
I,
don't
think
staff
is
looking
at
Belmont
this
year,
but
certainly
the
entirety
of
our
city
structure
will
be
looked
at
as
we
do
that
and,
as
we
think
about
the
court
system
plan
and
I'm
happy
to
tag
ali
after
this
meeting,
to
make
sure
that
we
provide
you
all
with
an
update.
N
Thanks
next
is
on
the
the
questions
we
got
on.
The
band
shell
and
historic
district
I
was
one
of
the
people
who
voted
to
to
move
forward
last
year,
and
so
there
has
been
delarity.
Is
this
something
that
will
come
back
possibly
during
my
tenure?
Well,
will
this
get
across
the
finish
line.
N
Are
that
would
be
helpful
just
so
that
we're
not
causing
undue
delay
and
then
just
the
last
I
wanted
to
invite
anybody
who
might
know
more
than
me
on.
We
had
a
someone
speaking
on
a
needed
Charter
amendments,
I,
don't
know
Aaron.
If
that's
you
is
that
something
we
want
to
respond
to
and
why
we
might
not
be
doing
that
or
if
we're
looking
at
it.
AE
Sure,
thank
you
for
the
question,
the
legal
challenge
that
was
brought
to
the
CU
South
ballot
title.
The
city
prevailed
in
so
it's
not
been
brought
forward
by
the
city
attorney's
office
due
to
a
legal
need.
If,
however,
it
was
the
will
of
counsel
to
change
the
ordinance
for
policy
reasons,
we
would
be
happy
to
draft
changes
to
the
ordinance.
N
Thanks
and
then
last
one
Nuri
just
wanted
to
invite
you
I
thought
I
had
a
last
one.
This
is
my
last
last
one
though
there
was
somebody
who
mentioned
being
a
victim
of
a
crime
or
assault
or
maybe
threatened.
Is
that
somebody
that
you
could
follow
up
with
I.
AB
B
I
I
have
only
one
question
and
it
is
my
last
question:
we
are
contemplating
a
good
neighbor
meeting
with
respect
to
the
day,
shelter
and
it's
going
to
I
assume
it's
going
to
be
operated,
operated
by
a
third
party
Kurt.
Do
we
contemplate
entering
into
a
good
neighbor
agreement
with
respect
to
that
facility
and
the
neighbors?
I
If
not,
why
not?
And
if
so,
what
will
that
look
like.
AC
So
we
have
not
contemplated
a
good
neighbor
agreement,
I
mean.
What's
we
I
mean
we're
basically
following
what's
under
the
the
zoning
code,
which
is
a
a
good
neighbor
meeting,
you
know
if
Council
wanted
us
to
go
in
that
direction,
they
would
have
to
to
guide
us
on
that.
I.
I
Mean
the
purpose
of
my
question
is
not
to
suggest
that
it
is
required
to
have
a
good
neighbor
agreement,
but
given
the
degree
of
concern
that
we're
experiencing,
would
that
not
be
beneficial,
whether
it
is
statutorily
required
or
not?.
B
P
B
Which
is
I
believe
that,
for
this
facility
we
would
have
an
operations
plan
right
that
we
would
have
publicly
available.
That
would
be
agreed
to
that
I
believe
would
contain
Provisions
in
it.
That
you
know
would
probably
overlaps
with
what
would
be
contained
in
a
good
neighbor
agreement
or
be
I.
Think
you
could
accommodate
anything
potentially
that
you
might
have
in
a
good
neighbors
agreement
in
the
operations
plan.
Kurt
said
sound.
AC
Yeah
I
mean
it
will
have
an
operations
plan.
I.
Think
the
process
of
getting
an
operations
plan
approved
by
a
group
of
neighbors
is
is
a
is
a
lengthy
process,
and
it
would.
It
would
take
quite
a
bit
of
time
to
to
implement
something
like
that.
I
I
I'm
I
acknowledge
that
I'm
simply
trying
to
be
responsive
to
what
we're
seeing
in
the
community
and
the
fact
that
it
is
hard
does
not
make
it
undesirable
and
I
think
something
that
the
community
could
look
to
and
say
these
are
the
standards
we
have
been
promised,
and
these
are
the
standards
we're
going
to
hold
the
operator
to
it
is
is
not
inappropriate
in
light
of
the
the
difficult
nature
of
what
we're
proposing
to
do.
I
I
AC
Well,
if
a
council
would
like
us
to
put
that
on
the
agenda,
we
you
know,
CAC
could
discuss
that
and
it
could
be
discussed
at
a
future
meeting.
Okay,.
B
B
J
J
I
have
a
concern
about
process
and
I.
Think
it's
the
same
concern
that
I
had
since
December
when
the
first
complaint
came
in
my
question
to
you:
is
there
any
type
of
vetting
mechanism
for
these
type
of
for
this
particular
I?
Don't
know
what
to
call
it?
Is
it
a
process
to
have
a
an
attorney
appointed
by
a
special
to
have
you
appoint
a
special
counsel?
Have
you
done
any
type
of
vetting
before
that.
J
AE
Thank
you
for
clarifying
that.
Yes,
the
code
sets
a
very
low
bar.
If
the
facts
as
they
are
alleged,
would
constitute
a
violation
of
the
code
of
conduct,
then
it's
a
requirement
to
re
to
move
forward
with
an
investigation,
and
then
the
question
becomes
whether
the
city
attorney's
office
should
handle
it
or
whether
it
should
be
a
neutral
third
party,
and
since
the
City
attorney
is
a
direct
Council
employee.
J
AE
A
W
B
C
K
Yes,
I'm
3A
and
3B
I'll
be
Q's
on
3C.
Thank.
B
J
C
Yes,
sir
call
up
check-ins
are
number
four
on
tonight's
agenda.
4A
is
the
concept
plan,
review
and
comment
request
for
a
proposal
to
redevelop
the
site
at
2700,
2710,
2720
and
2750
Baseline
Road,
and
also
2765
and
2800
Morehead
Avenue
as
a
mixed-use
student
housing
development
that
includes
84
units
within
a
four-story
four-story
55
foot
tall
building
on
the
western
portion
of
the
site.
This
is
reviewed
under
case
number,
lur
20-22-00058.
B
And
I
believe
we
have
Chandler
Von
Scott
here
for
a
short
presentation.
AF
AF
AF
Baseline
Road
concept
plan
call
up
before
you
tonight
so,
as
you
are
probably
aware
of
the
concept
plan
purpose
is
to
provide
General
feedback
to
the
applicant.
There
is
no
approval
or
denial
associated
with
this
hearing
tonight.
AF
AF
To
property
owner
than
600
feet,
the
applicant
also
performed
a
degree
of
Outreach
on
their
own
notice
was
posted.
We
have
received
several
comments
from
neighboring
Property
Owners.
The
majority
opposed
some
in
favor.
Primary
concerns
include
traffic
parking,
lack
of
retail
space
and
the
scale
of
the
proposed
development,
the
location
so
the
subject
property
it's
at
the
southwest
of
the
intersection
of
us-36
and
Baseline
Road.
As
you
can
see
here,.
AF
AF
So
for
surrounding
context,
we'll
go
over
this
quickly.
The
character
of
the
surrounding
area
is
varied
and
eclectic.
There
are
some
high
density,
residential
Apartments,
very
near
the
site,
the
union
apartments
and
Creekside
Apartments,
which
are
three
and
five
stories
respectively.
There's
the
basement
shopping
center
across
27th
just
to
the
West,
the
Martin
Acres
neighborhood
lies
to
the
southeast
and
then
the
CU
main
campus
is
across
Baseline
to
the
north.
AA
AF
Of
context,
looking
from
the
West,
you
can
see
the
u-club
apartments
and
the
Hub
Boulder
site,
which
are
on
the
east
side
of
28th
and
then
Williams
Village
a
little
bit
further
on.
AF
This
is
a
shot
of
the
existing
site.
It
was
formally
contaminated,
but
it
has
been
remediated.
You
can
see
that
skunk
Creek
runs
through
the
center
of
the
site,
but
other
than
that
the
site
is
highly
developed.
There's
some
vacant
buildings,
there's
Baseline
liquor,
Grease
Monkey,
Boulder
gas,
Nick's,
Auto.
AF
Another
shot
of
the
existing
site,
the
Baseline
Liquors
signed
the
grease
monkey
and
the
existing
gas
station,
as
I
mentioned
in
the
memo,
but
didn't
show
all
the
pictures
just
to
keep
it
brief.
There
are
a
number
of
access
points,
essentially
every
business
on
the
site.
Right
now
has
its
own
vehicular
access,
either
off
of
27th
way
or
off
of
Moorhead
Avenue.
So
access
and
circulation
on
the
site
is
currently
a
bit
of
a
mess.
AF
AF
The
development
is
Consolidated
on
the
east
side
of
the
site
on
the
east
side
of
skunk
Creek,
which
leaves
a
large
1.2,
acre,
landscaped,
open
space
area.
On
the
west
side,
the
applicant
is
requesting
a
25
parking
reduction
and
that
is
to
provide
166
parking
spaces
where
222
are
required
by
code
and
bc2.
AF
AF
AF
AF
So
the
application
packet
does
not
include
specific
architectural
renderings
for
the
project.
The
applicant
has
provided
numerous
reference
images,
as
well
as
detailed
massing
studies
showing
the
intent
behind
the
proposed
massing.
The
applicant's
written
statement
expresses
a
desire
to
provide
a
transition
in
massing
from
the
Northwest
to
the
south
and
east
sides
of
the
building,
with
the
corner
of
Moorhead,
Ave
and
27th
way
being
two
stories
in
height
to
be
compatible
with
the
existing
two-story
commercial
uses
across
27th
way
to
the
West.
AF
As
you
can
see,
the
proposed
building
design
also
incorporates
changes
in
plane,
articulation
vertical
elements,
step
backs
and
changes
in
materiality
to
create
visual
interest
and
break
down.
The
perceived
massing
here
are
some
of
the
reference
images
that
were
included
in
the
concept
review
packet.
AF
So
a
summary
of
the
modifications
that
there
would
be
requesting
through
site
review,
there's
a
25
parking
reduction,
as
I
mentioned
previously,
a
height
modification
to
allow
for
a
55-foot
building
where
35
is
the
maximum
buy
right
height
in
bc2
modification
to
the
maximum
number
of
stories
to
allow
for
four
stories.
Where
three
is
the
maximum.
AF
Y
AF
Above
the
25
inclusionary
housing
requirement.
So
what
this
results
in
is
that
for
the
additional
stories
and
additional
floor
area
above
three
stories,
they
would
have
to
pay
additional
cash
include,
and
that
is
what
they've
indicated
they
would
are
intending
to
do
is
pay
cash
and
loo,
so
they
would
have
to
pay
additional
cash
and
low
based
on
the
additional
floor
area
that
they
are
getting,
oh,
so
to
discuss
the
planning
board
hearing
quickly
on
April
25th
2023,
the
planning
board
heard
presentations.
19
members
of
the
public
spoke
during
the
public
comments
portion.
AF
AF
The
planning
board
discussed
three
key
issues.
The
first
was
whether
the
concept
plan
is
generally
compatible
with
the
bvcp.
The
second
was
whether
the
planning
board
had
feedback
for
the
applicant
on
the
conceptual
site
plan
and
building
design,
and
the
third
was
whether
the
planning
board
would
be
theoretically
supportive
of
the
proposed
Building
height
of
55
feet.
AF
So
for
key
issue
number
one.
The
board
generally
found
the
proposal
to
add
student
housing
to
the
project
site
to
be
consistent
with
bbcp
goals
and
policies.
They
found
that
it
was
an
appropriate
location
for
student
housing.
They
agreed
with
staff's
findings
that
the
project
will
need
to
incorporate
additional
retail
space
in
order
to
be
consistent
with
the
community
business
land
use,
designation
and
bc2
Zone
requirements.
AF
So
for
key
issue
number
two,
which
was
feedback
on
the
site
plan
of
building
design,
the
board
discussed
a
variety
of
different
themes.
Some
of
them
included
the
need
for
additional
public
Outreach
in
the
design
process,
more
activation
on
the
primary
ground
level,
apprentages,
Courtyard
or
other
features
to
improve
permeability
between
the
building
and
the
open
space
on
the
east
side
of
the
site
and
a
desire
to
see
more
detailed,
open
space
programming.
AF
Several
board
members
indicated
they
would
like
to
see
a
robust
Transportation
demand
management
plan,
a
time
of
site
review
analysis
of
site
access,
including
the
garage
entry
where
access
is
located,
how
circulation
works
and
Analysis
of
traffic
patterns
on
Moorhead
and
27th
way.
The
board
generally
agreed
with
staff's
comments
regarding
access,
open
space
and
building
massing
additional
considerations
expressed
by
individual
board
members
included,
reducing
the
building
height,
reducing
amenity
space,
improving
the
north
building,
facade
design
and
incorporating
noise
mitigation
factors.
AF
So
next
steps
the
following
the
concept
review.
Hearing
city
council
may
vote
to
call
the
item
up
for
Council
hearing
to
provide
additional
feedback
that
would
be
tonight.
City
council,
May
refer
the
concept
plan
to
Tab
and
or
dab.
AF
The
applicant
will
then
either
proceed
with
submitting
development
review
applications
or
may
submit
a
second
concept
review
application,
or
they
would
have
to
come
back
for
a
public
hearing.
If
you
decide
to
call
it
up
a
site
review
application
will
require
a
decision
by
planning
board
subject
to
call
up
by
city
council
and
now
I'm
happy
to
take
any
questions.
B
Thanks
Chandler
any
questions
for
Chandler
I'm,
not
seeing
any
so
any
comments
or
desire
to
call
this
up
from
folks
Lauren.
AG
B
G
Thanks
Aaron
and
Laura,
and
I
I
like
where
you're
going
with
that
my
comment
really
centers
around,
hopefully
perhaps
looking
at
reducing
the
parking
even
further,
and
hopefully
the
the
folks
developing
this
will
will
see
opportunities
to
further
reduce
massing.
This
was
so
much
Transit
and
so
much
proximity
for
student
housing
I
see
it's
good,
perhaps
going
down
there,
but
I'd.
G
Also
imbalance
when
I
may
have
us
also
consider
maybe
an
NPP
for
parts
of
Martin
acres
to
help
reduce
those
spillover
impacts
of
parking
that
may
go
in
that
area.
So
I
think
we
can
have
sort
of
a
balanced
approach
to
reduce
even
more
of
that
parking
since
that
sort
of
becomes
obsolete
almost
the
day
we
build
and
bake
in
that
parking
with
sort
of
our
long-term
Transit
and
also
climate
goals.
So
I
think
we
can
play
both
sides
of
that
equation
and
get
to
a
good
result.
B
Sure
that
Matt,
although
we
might
should
clarify
I,
think
NPP
the
neighborhood
parking
permits
can
only
be
created
by
the
request
of
neighbors
themselves.
I,
don't
think,
that's
something
we
can
do
on
our
own,
but
Point
well,
taken
and
correct
me.
If
I
got
that
wrong
anybody,
great
Mark
and
then
Tara
and
then
myself,
yeah.
I
I
would
support
referring
this
to
both
dab
and
tab.
This
seems
to
have
an
unusual
number
of
concerns
and
qualifications
at
the
planning
board
level
and
in
terms
of
comments
from
the
public.
It
seems
a
little
undercooked
to
me
as
a
proposal.
I,
don't
know
that
it's
ready
for
us
to
make
a
decision
as
to
whether
to
review
it
or
not,
I'd
like
to
see
them
go
back
and
address.
A
number
of
those
concerns
before
moving
forward
are.
AH
I,
don't
I'm
going
to
disagree
for
the
first
time
in
a
long
time.
I
don't
think
we
should
reduce
the
parking
anymore
because
I
I
am
already
concerned
about
the
spillover.
I
think
it's
a
great
project.
Let
me
just
start
out
by
saying
it's
a
perfect
location
for
student
housing,
but
I
don't
think
we
should
reduce
the
parking
anymore.
The
neighborhoods
are.
The
neighbors
are
already
worried
about
the
spillover
parking
and
it's
not
that
easy
I
found
out
to
do
neighborhood
parking
plans
everywhere.
AH
So
for
that
reason,
I
I'm
going
to
disagree
with
you
on
that,
but
I
did
go
to
the
community
meeting
at
one
of
the
locations
that
this
company
has
and
I
was
really
impressed
with
the
the
inside
the
outside
the
way
it
was
run,
the
way
they
listened
to
community
and
the
amount
of
community
outreach
they've
already
done.
AH
And
so
I
do
want
to
say
that
it
was
great
to
actually
visualize
it
to
go
down
there
and
visualize
it
and
I
think
it
could
do
some
good
for
that
area.
So
I
do
want
to
thank
the
amount
of
community
outreach.
Of
course
you
can
never
have
too
much
community
outreach.
Now.
Can
you
so
as
far
as
retail
goes
I
think
this
might
be
a
apropos
or
not?
We
have
a
lot
of
vacancies
at
Baseline
the
Baseline
shopping
center
right
now.
AH
So
now
not
that
I
don't
think
it's
great
idea
to
have
neighborhood
retail
on
the
first
floor,
but
we
are
having
trouble
in
the
city
actually
getting
people
to
lease
the
said
first
floor,
retail,
so
I'm
happy
with
the
amount
of
retail
that
they
have
right
now,
that's
just
what
I
have
to
say
about
studying
it
and
going
down
there
and
living
right
near
there
and
biking
through
there
I'm
going
to
agree
with
Lauren
that
I
am
concerned
about
the
bike
pass
and
how
they're
going
to
work
out.
AH
B
You
Tara
I'll
I'll,
call
in
myself
and
say:
I,
don't
feel
the
need
to
call
this
up.
I
think
the
project
is
going
in
a
good
direction.
I
think
that's
a
good
location
for
student
housing.
I
appreciate
that
they're
putting
that
park
on
the
Southeast
area
next
to
the
the
single
family,
home,
neighborhood
I,
think
that's
a
good
choice.
B
I
support
from
my
colleagues
the
idea
of
referring
it
to
tab
thanks
a
lot
of
things.
That
seems
like
a
reasonable
idea
and
I'm
certainly
happy
to
send
it
to
dab
as
well
for
some
design
feedback
and
I
generally
thought.
The
planning
board
comments
were
good.
B
I
thought
planning
board,
did
a
great
review
of
it
and
had
some
excellent
comments
on
that
I'll
just
say
on
the
on
the
retail
I
I
know
the
neighbors
have
a
desire
for
more
retail
there
if
it's
sustainable
from
an
economic
feasibility
standpoint,
I
think
that
would
be
positive
to
have
additional
retail
in
a
walkable
distance
from
this
development
and
all
the
neighbors.
B
So
if
it's
doable
fantastic,
if
it's
not
economically
feasible,
like
Tara,
says
having
empty
retail
spaces
sitting
there
for
years
is
not
to
the
benefit
of
anybody
and
with
a
and
I'll
say
on
the
parking
question
with
a
good
enough
Transportation
demand
management
plan.
If
you
really
do
that
very
well,
I
think
you
could
support
some
additional
lowering
of
the
parking
amounts
as
well.
So
those
are
my
thoughts
so
I'm
not
generally
hearing
any
desire
to
call
this
up.
AD
Thanks
I
fully
support
this,
and
one
of
the
things,
though,
that
I'm
wondering
that
I
hear
are
the
concerns
of
the
Martin,
Acres,
neighbors
and
I.
Don't
know
if
tab
could
speak
to
this,
and
if
this
is
the
right
time,
but
something
about
you
know
how
how
we
deal
with
the
fact
that
a
lot
of
Cu
staff
and
students
and
faculty
do
do
use
that
area
as
basically
a
parking
lot
for
CU,
right
and
and
I
get.
You
know
just
kind
of
the
the
extra
traffic
and
things
that
adds,
and
so
I
don't
know.
AD
N
This
is
a
little
bit
off
topic
here,
but
I
want
to
call
it
Nicole's
request
and
if
we're,
if
we
are
going
to
look
at
something
like
that,
I
think
it
probably
needs
to
be
broader.
We've
heard
a
lot
from
people
across
from
willville
with
the
same
kind
of
theme,
so
not
just
Martin
Acres,
but
also
anywhere
that
there's
a
lot
of
I.
Think
student
density
with
cars
that
CU
doesn't
provide
parking
for,
seems
to
be
an
issue.
B
Right,
I'll,
just
throw
in
real
quickly
I
think
that
those
are
great
topics
to
consider
in
general,
and
hopefully
the
tab
can
think
about
those,
but
just
caution
that
any
one
project
can't
be
required
to
make
changes
about
larger
city-wide
problems,
so
just
throw
that
caution
in
there
and
okay.
So
we
got
a
motion
and
a
second
on
the
table
to
refer
to
Tab
and
show
of
hands
all
in
favor.
B
C
AB
You
mayor
so
as
staff
get
settled,
we've
got
quite
a
presentation.
We've
heard
a
lot
from
Community
I'll
say
that
last
year,
if
you'll
recall,
you
approved
the
comprehensive
storm
water
and
Flood
Master
Plan
that
highlighted
sort
of
the
vast
amount
of
flood
protection
needs
across
the
city's
16
drainages,
and
you
might
recall
that,
as
we
presented
it,
the
team
had
really
taken
a
lot
of
efforts
to
highlight
the
use
of
the
racial
Equity
instrument.
AB
As
we
did
some
of
that
work
tonight,
you're
going
to
hear
about
the
upper
Goose
Creek
and
Two
Mile
Canyon
Creek
flood
mitigation
plan.
As
you'll
hear
from
staff,
there
are
always
trade-offs
in
any
particular
project
and
we're
going
to
try
to
strike
that
balance
between
Life
Safety
benefits
and
the
personal
property
and
environmental
impacts.
We
know
those
impacts
have
been
subject
of
intense
Community
conversation.
AB
AI
So
for
the
situation
tonight,
we're
at
the
mitigation
plan
stage
and
that's
where
we
choose
between
alternatives
for
a
general
concept
to
advance
for
the
design,
development
and
then
construction,
and
so
for
this
particular
plan
in
terms
of
Alternatives
and
Concepts.
We
looked
at
over
30
alternatives,
so
we're
really
at
the
concept
phase
tonight
and
there
has
been
a
lot
of
public
interest
and
and
concern
that
this
is
maybe
really
far
down
the
road
and-
and
that's
not
the
case.
AI
I
also
wanted
to
mention
that
I
believe
we
have
a
few
Columbine
Elementary
students
with
us
tonight
from
the
classrooms
for
climate,
Action,
Group
and
they'll,
be
speaking
under
the
public
hearing
portion
and
talking
about
a
class
project
that
they
did
associated
with
tonight's
plan
and
I
think
they
presented
to
a
few
of
the
council
members
and
and
board
members
earlier
on
that.
So
we
appreciate
their
engagement
and
I'm,
not
sure
how
long
this
item
will
take
and
if
it'll
be
past
people's
bedtimes.
AI
But
hopefully
they
will
get
a
chance
to
see
what
it
looks
like
when
we
wrestle
with
all
of
the
trade-offs
on
on
a
project
like
this.
So
with
that,
I'll
turn
it
over
to
Brendan.
Okay,.
AJ
Okay,
thanks
Joe
I,
appreciate
that
and
as
Joe
mentioned
I'm
Brandon
Coleman
I'm,
the
engineering
manager
in
the
storm
flood
utility
and
tonight
we're
requesting
action
on
the
upper
Goose,
Two
Mile,
Canyon,
Creek
flood
mitigation
plan
and
I
do
just
want
to
say
this
plan
has
been
a
long,
hard
effort
and
it
hasn't
been
me
working
on
it
solely.
We
do
have
a
consultant
team
with
icon
engineering.
AJ
We
have
the
mile
high
flood
district
has
been
a
partner
on
the
project
and
also
lots
of
Staff
have
been
involved
in
the
project,
so
just
want
to
say
thanks
to
them
and
then
with
that
we
also
do
have
a
really
engaged
community.
So
thanks
to
the
community
for
being
engaged,
I
think
it
really
helps
us
frame
these
projects
and
understand
concerns
as
we
move
forward.
AJ
So
just
starting
off
I'm
going
to
cover
some
General's
Flood
information
about
the
city
and
starting
off
Boulder
is
the
number
one
flood
risk
in
the
state
of
Colorado
and
as
a
storm
flood
utility.
Our
mission
is
really
protection
of
Life,
Safety
and
property,
and
this
photo
on
the
slide
is
from
Two
Mile
Canyon
Creek
right
at
Broadway
during
the
2013
flood.
Most
recently.
AJ
So,
as
a
storm
flood
utility,
we
are
responsible
for
flood
mitigation
on
all
16
of
our
major
drainage
waves
in
the
city,
and
this
includes
upper
Goose,
Creek
and
Two
Mile
Canyon
Creek
as
well,
and
when
we
do
flood
mitigation,
we
typically
follow
a
life
cycle
approach,
as
you
can
see
here.
So
that
really
starts
by
our
floodplain
mapping.
Efforts
and
these
efforts
are
really
to
identify
the
flood
risk
related
to
these
drainage
ways
across
the
city
and
we
really
focus
on
the
one
percent
recurrence
interferral.
AJ
So
that
would
be
a
one
percent
chance
of
flood
in
any
given
year
and
commonly
referred
to
as
the
hundred
year
flood.
And
then
next
we
move
to
the
phase
we're
here
tonight
to
discuss
and
that's
really
our
mitigation
planning
phase
and
we
come
up
with
Concepts
Alternatives.
We
really
focus
on
community
engagement
in
this
phase
and
and
hopefully
our
proposed
Solutions
are
trying
to
balance
the
need
for
flood
mitigation
and
also
the
community's
interests
and
concerns.
AJ
And
lastly,
once
we
have
the
overall
plan
and
it's
a
system-wide
approach
and
that
really
allows
us
to
make
for
continuous
improvements.
We
move
to
the
design
and
construction
phase
and
in
that
phase,
that's
really
where
we
developed
the
design
details
deal
with
some
of
the
more
technical
engineering
challenges
related
to
the
proposed
plan.
So
again
tonight
we're
just
here
talking
about
the
mitigation
planning
phase
and
as
Joe
mentioned,
we
considered
over
30
alternatives
for
this
plan.
AJ
AJ
I'm
wondering
there
you
go
okay,
so
the
22
2022
CFS,
updated
update,
also
had
gave
us
some
key
goals
for
the
utility
and
they
included
prioritizing
projects
to
do
the
greatest
good.
First,
providing
our
services
equitably.
Making
infrastructure
resilient
to
climate
change,
prepare
for
extremes,
inform
the
community
to
create
a
prepared
community
and
also
maintenance
of
the
system
we
currently
have,
and
in
response
to
that,
we
heard
a
strong
desire
in
the
city
to
implement
these
projects
much
more
quickly
than
we've
been
doing
in
the
past.
AJ
So
just
the
need
for
flood
mitigation.
There's
always
a
question
of.
Why
do
we
need
to
do
flood
mitigation?
Doesn't
it
work
as
well
as
it
is?
We
haven't
been
flooded,
so
I
just
wanted
to
share
this.
So
this
is
the
upper
two
or
the
Two
Mile
Canyon
Creek
and
upper
Goose
drainage
basin,
and
this
image
is
from
1938..
So
you
can
see
a
few
things
in
this
image,
starting
with
Goose
Creek
in
the
lower
part
of
the
image
and
then
two
Mile
Canyon
Creek,
which
is
a
classic
alluvial
system.
AJ
You
can
see
the
fan
up
there
in
the
upper
left
hand.
Side
of
the
creek
and
then
there's
a
few
key
features
that
historically
have
been
there
or
are
remaining
there.
So
you
can
see
North
Boulder
Park.
This
is
the
future
site
of
North
Boulder
Park,
it's
existing
as
a
lake
in
this
image
and
then
also
Longs
Gardens,
a
historical
long,
Gardens
is
shown
here
as
well
and
just
to
get
bearings.
There
are
a
few
roadways
that
still
exist,
so
19th
Street
is
highlighted
here
and
also
Iris
Avenue.
AJ
Just
so
you
can
get
your
bearings
in
the
city
and
really
the
important
thing
to
notice
about
this
photograph
is
there's
a
lot
of
agricultural
land
use.
There
is
some
development
there,
but
you
can
see
the
historic
drainage
path
and
you
can
also
see
an
agricultural
type
land
use
here
so
moving
forward
to
2022.
AJ
This
is
the
same
area
same
image,
but
you
can
see
a
pretty
Stark
difference,
so
a
lot
of
houses
and
in
some
cases
the
natural
drainage
ways
have
been
built
over
completely,
and
this
is
just
a
result
of
our
utilities
relatively
young,
so
we
were
founded
or
we
were
started
in
1973
and
a
lot
of
this
development
happened
prior
to
that
prior
to
the
knowledge
of
where
the
floodplains
were
so.
I
just
want
to
highlight
this
as
really
what
the
need
for
flood
mitigation
is
for
these
drainage
ways.
AJ
So
this
is
the
Two
Mile
Canyon
Creek
drainage,
way
in
Upper
goose,
and
this
mapping
was
updated
in
2015
and
adopted
by
the
city
in
FEMA,
and
this
figure
is
showing
the
100
year
or
the
one
percent
chance
of
flooding
in
any
given
year
and
there's
also
a
city-specific
Zone
shown
here,
which
is
our
high
Hazard
Zone
shown
in
red,
and
that
zone
is
designated
as
the
greatest
risk
to
life
safety
and
that's
really
based
on
depth
and
velocity
of
flow
that
could
sweep
a
person
off
of
their
feet
during
a
flood
event.
AJ
And
it's
important
to
point
out
that
Two
Mile
Canyon
Creek
is
an
alluvial
flood
plain,
which
means
flow
spreads
out
in
larger
storm
events,
and
this
is
shown
here
in
the
500
year,
flood
plain,
which
is
a
0.1
.02
percent
chance
of
currents
in
any
given
year
or
the
500
year
floodplain.
But
it
also
indicates
risk
of
shallow
flooding
in
a
hundred
year.
Flood
plain,
so
our
flood
mitigation
plan
really
tried
to
take
that
into
account
in
our
proposed
improvements.
AJ
So,
based
on
their
approved
flood,
plain
mapping
and
the
simulated
100
year
flood
the
estimated
damages
we
would
expect
in
a
hundred
year.
Flood
in
these
two
drainage
ways
for
Two,
Mile,
Canyon,
Creek
and
upper
Goose
Creek
would
be
on
the
order
of
195
million
dollars
of
potential
damage,
and
that
includes
700
and
about
750
structures.
AJ
What
so
we
do
have
a
recent
flood
event
as
a
good
reference,
so
2013
we
saw
significant
flooding
in
particularly
the
Two
Mile,
Canyon
Creek
drainage
ways,
and
there
was
definitely
a
wide
range
of
personal
experiences
from
the
2013
flood.
The
event
was
not
relatable
to
the
hundred
year
flood
that
I
mentioned
in
the
mapping.
It
was
really
a
long
duration
event,
so
it
occurred
over
multiple
days
and
we
didn't
see
very
high
peak
intensities
out
of
that.
So
it
was
kind
of
a
different
storm
event,
but
two
Mile
Canyon
Creek
around
Linden.
AJ
We
did
see
two
fatalities
related
to
the
flood
on
that
drainage
way,
and
it
was
really
from
people
who
were
in
their
vehicle
trying
to
cross
flood
waters
during
the
time,
and
it's
just
a
good
reminder
that
most
flood
related
deaths
happen
in
or
around
Vehicles,
so
just
for
the
community
and
everybody
listening
just
if
you
ever
are
in
a
flood,
never
drive
your
car
across
flood
waters
as
well,
and
then
the
damages
that
we
saw
from
Two
Mile
Canyon
Creek
from
the
city.
We
did
see
significant
damages.
AJ
AJ
AJ
So,
as
I've
mentioned,
this
Project's
been
going
on,
we've
been
in
the
mitigation
planning
phase.
Since
the
mapping
update
in
2015.,
we
did
prevent
our
draft
recommendations
to
the
Water
Resources
Advisory
Board
in
2021
and
with
Community
Information
sessions
following
those
presentations
of
those
draft
recommendations
to
try
and
let
everybody
know
what
the
proposal
was.
Our
water
resources
at
Advisory
Board
recommended
approval
of
the
mitigation
plan
to
city
council
at
their
May
2023
meeting
by
a
vote
of
five
to
zero,
and
that's
what
we're
here
talking
about
tonight
as
well.
AJ
So
as
men
as
I
mentioned
previously,
Community
engagement's
a
key
component
around
this,
this
part
of
the
planning
process,
and
so
we
did
have
a
significant
Community
engagement
effort
in
2017
and
2018,
really
to
evaluate
Alternatives,
and
there
was
a
lot
of
we
heard
support
for
flood
mitigation
from
the
community.
We
also
heard
lots
of
concern
from
private
property
owners
about
private
property
impacts,
trees,
existing
Wildlife
corridors
and
how
those
would
be
impacted
by
the
proposed
projects.
There
was
also
concern
around
potential
impacts
to
Long's
Garden
in
North,
Boulder
Park.
AJ
So
I
just
want
to
mention
when
we
brought
this
to
RAB,
it
was
2021
the
pandemic
hit
relatively
quickly
after
that
which
slowed
down
some
of
our
community
engagement
efforts,
and
we
were
able
to
pick
those
efforts
back
up
again
in
2022
and
in
2023,
and
we
really
wanted
to
try
and
inform
the
community
about
what
the
recommended
Alternatives
were.
So
we
included
website
updates
a
virtual
map.
We
did
a
virtual
information
session
in
in-person
information
session
at
Columbine,
Elementary,
followed
by
more
email
responses
and
some
additional
neighborhood
meetings
with
concerned.
Neighbors.
AJ
So
for
the
Alternatives
that
we
considered
as
a
utility,
we
really
have
some
tools
in
our
toolbox.
We
did
consider
over
30
Alternatives
through
both
of
these
drainage
ways
and
the
way
we
approach
flood
mitigation
is,
we
can
consider
open
channels
and
we
really
focus
on
places
where
there's
existing
open
channels
just
for
the
natural
stream
processes,
which
we
think
is
probably
the
most
resilient
approach
to
flood
mitigation.
AJ
Sediment
capture
is
really
important
because
we
are
moving
a
lot
of
sediment
from
the
mountains
into
town,
so
sediment
capture
was
also
considered
as
part
of
the
alternatives
and
the
design
for
our
open
Channel.
So
this
is
really
our
industry
and
our
approach
to
flood
mitigation
is
really
focused
on
nature-based
Solutions.
So
this
is
a
photo
from
our
recently
completed,
Wonderland
Creek
Greenways
project,
which
was
completed
after
2013,
and
you
can
see
it
is
an
engineered
channel.
AJ
So
there
are
definitely
engineered
features
in
there,
but
we
also
Incorporated
a
lot
of
natural
features,
so
Wetlands
re
trying
to
create
Wetlands,
re-vegetation
practices
and
also
native
vegetation
and
these
methods,
if
they
work
and
are
implemented
appropriately,
also
serve
as
a
lower
maintenance
solution
for
flood
mitigation
into
the
future.
AJ
So
this
slide
is
the
proposed
recommendations
and
I'd
be
happy
to
go
into
any
of
these
in
more
details.
But
I'll
just
give
a
brief
overview
right
now.
So
Two
Mile,
Canyon
Creek,
is
in
the
red
boxes
and
you
can
see
it
starts
initially
up
at
Linden
Avenue
with
100
Year
Channel
improvements
and
sediment
capture
we're
very
space
constrained
as
we
move
into
the
next
reach
through
the
neighborhood.
So
we
have
less
than
100
Year
Channel
improvements
and
then,
as
I
mentioned,
the
historic
drainage
way
has
actually
been
built
over
on
Two
Mile
Canyon
Creek.
AJ
So
we
proposed
a
drain
system,
essentially
from
Two
Mile
Canyon
Creek
to
the
Confluence,
with
Goose
Creek
on
the
lower
right
hand,
side
of
the
screen
and
we've
also
considered
two
alternative
alignments,
just
looking
at
where
the
historic
flow
path
is
for
where
we
would
Outlet
to
Goose
Creek.
So
we
have
heard
recently
community
support
for
the
alternative
alignment
shown
down.
Floral
drive
right
now
for
that
storm
pipe.
AJ
So
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
out
those
two
alternatives
are
still
considered
in
this
plan
and
then
the
Goose
Creek
alternatives
are
shown
on
the
lower
portion
of
the
screen.
They
start
at
North,
Boulder
Park
and,
as
I
mentioned,
there's
no
detention
being
proposed
in
North
Boulder
Park.
We
have
an
inlet
structure
that
transitions
to
a
new
open
Channel
that
would
be
incorporated
into
the
Alpine
Balsam
property.
AJ
And
just
in
summary,
I
just
want
to
say
we
are
at
the
mitigation
planning
phase.
So
really
the
action
we're
asking
for
tonight
would
allow
us
to
move
into
the
design
phase.
Where
we'd
be
able
to
look
at
some
of
these
more
engineering
details.
Some
of
the
details
related
to
what
these
open
channels
could
look
like,
and
also
continuing
engaging
with
property
owners.
Who
would
be
impacted?
It's
really
important
to
note
out
that
we
don't.
AJ
The
city
does
not
own
all
the
land
that
I
just
showed
on
the
proposed
mitigation
plan,
so
easement
acquisition
would
be
a
huge
component
of
all
of
these
improvements
and
we'd
have
to
work
with
each
private
property
and
owner
for
those
easement
Acquisitions
into
the
future.
AJ
And
in
your
packet
there's
proposed
motion
language
so
motion
to
approve
the
upper
Goose
Creek
and
Two
Mile
Canyon
Creek
flood
mitigation
plan,
and
with
that,
that's
all
the
presentation
I
have
for
tonight.
So
we'll
take
any
questions.
Okay,.
AI
And
and
before
turning
it
over
for
questions,
I
just
wanted
to
mention
at
CAC
on
Monday,
there
was
a
request
for
a
RAB
representative
to
be
present,
and
so
we
have
John
berggren,
who
is
our
RAB
co-chair,
he's
actually
on
a
business
trip
in
New
York,
but
was
willing
to
join
us
virtually
and
I
I.
Think
he's
prepared
to
summarize
some
thoughts
from
RAB.
If
you'd
like
to
hear
that
before
we
turn
it
over.
B
AK
Yeah,
can
you
all
hear
me
yes,
great
thanks
for
having
me
and
it's
part
business
part
pleasure.
So
this
trip
is
not
all
all
fun,
but
so
I
am
a
co-chair
on
RAB
been
on
the
board
since
2020
and
I
have
been
following
the
The
Goose
Creek
project
upper
Goose,
Creek,
Two,
Mile,
Canyon,
Creek
project
and
I
just
want
to
wanted
to
disclose,
as
I
did
in
the
March
board,
meeting
that
I
do
live
and
own
property
in
the
upper
Goose
Creek
drainage
I
wanted
to
disclose
that.
AK
But
it's
brand
new
to
cover
this
plan
has
come
to
Rav
a
couple
times
in
the
draft
plan
in
2021
and
then
more
recently,
the
proposed
plan
that
you
all
were
discussing
tonight
in
our
March
2020
stream
meeting
both
times,
we've
gotten
pretty
good
discussion
from
the
board
on
the
on
the
planet
itself.
There's
you
know.
AK
Over
the
years,
there's
been
from
our
perspective,
this
question
of
whether
we
can
do
100
Year
mitigation
or
not
as
as
Brandon
I,
know,
there's
some
kind
of
significant
challenges
in
both
drainages
and
then
so
that
was
kind
of
the
big
question
is:
can
we
get
to
100
Year
mitigation
and
with
this
final
proposed
plan
before
you
tonight
is
pretty
impressive?
AK
That,
for
the
most
part,
100
Year
mitigation
is,
is
the
plan
for
for
most
areas
of
these
drainage
ways
with
all
those
benefits
that
has
mentioned
so
when
it's
come
before
rad
we've
had
a
lot
of
questions.
We,
the
city
staff,
utility
staff,
has
been
great
in
answering
our
questions.
You
know,
we've
discussions
have
range
for
what
is
the
existing
infrastructure
in
health
functional?
It
is
now
and
if
we
just
maintained
it
better,
but
you
get
some
of
the
flood
benefits
we
had.
You
know
questions
about.
AK
You
know
the
2013
flood
that
we
everyone
know
so
well.
That
was
you
know,
10
years
ago,
and
how
come
we're
talking
about
finally
doing
100
Year
mitigation,
now
questions
about
how
this
fits
into
the
larger,
comprehensive
flood
in
stormwater
master
plan
and
and
priorities
of
this
of
this
project
versus
other
projects
and
a
lot
of
questions
again.
Going
back
to
the
maintenance
issue
and-
and
let's
say
this
project
built,
will
it
be
maintained
in
the
future?
AK
AK
AK
Other
I
think
the
other
kind
of
big
thing
that
came
up
was
the
importance
of
that
public
engagement
and
going
forward
as
if
this
plan
is,
is
approved
as
it
stands
today
ensuring
that,
through
the
design
and
construction
phase,
the
significant
public
engagement
is
continued,
as
as
Brandon
mentioned,
that
we've
heard
a
lot
from
from
residents
in
the
drainages
about
concerns
to
their
private
property,
to
Wildlife
corridors
so,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
those
those
legitimate
concerns
are
earned
by
the
by
utilities
and
addressed
As.
AK
You
move
into
the
design
and
construction
phase
and
I
think
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
That
kind
of
quickly
summarizes
it's
been
a
multi-year
thing
with
with
Ravin,
so
I'm
happy
I.
Think,
there's
time
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
If
I
can
otherwise
I
will
let
you
all
get
back
to
it.
B
Thanks
so
much
for
that
John
do
we
have
any
questions
for
John?
Then?
Maybe
we
can
let
him
go.
I
know
it's
getting
on
10
o'clock
in
New
York,
seeing
none
will
just
give
you
another.
Thank
you
for
your
working
for
being
here.
It's
my
pleasure,
great
any
questions
for
City
staff
about
the
presentation,
the
matter
Bob.
K
I
don't
know
if
this
is
for
Joe
or
Brendan
I
I
think
we've
done
some
flood
mitigation
work
and
other
drainages
in
the
past.
Here
in
the
city
and
I,
wonder
what
staff
could
collaborate
a
little
bit
more
on
the
recovery
of
plant
and
Wildlife
around
those
when
there's
been
disruption
and
there's
been
digging
and
channelization
and
ditching,
and
so
and
so
forth?
K
How
long
it
takes
nature
to
kind
of
heal
itself
and
recover
some
of
those
those
areas
where
there's
been
some
some
damage,
because
you
elaborate
on
that
a
little
bit
more.
AJ
AJ
So,
as
I
mentioned,
we
do
really
focused
on
doing
nature-based
Solutions,
so
we
as
a
utility,
don't
see
a
wildlife
Corridor
or
nature.
As
a
separate
from
flood
mitigation,
we
like
to
incorporate
those
two
things
as
best
we
can,
so
we
do
try
and
protect
high
value
trees
where
we
can
and
incorporate
new
vegetation
if
we
do
have
to
remove
trees
or
Wetlands
type
vegetation
and
that's
a
probity
requirement
and
also
a
city
requirement
through
our
Forestry
Department
and
the
projects
I've
shown
here
just
for
reference.
AJ
AJ
We
we
will
have
to
wait
for
the
trees
to
grow
back
up
to
some
of
those
larger
trees
that
were
grown
or
that
had
to
be
removed
as
part
of
that
project.
Another
area,
that's
an
engineering
Channel,
but
really
this
nature-based
approach
is
Boulder
Creek.
So
this
is
Eben
fine,
Park,
Boulder
Creek's,
a
really
natural
system,
but
it's
also.
There
is
a
lot
of
engineered
structures
and
drop
structures
and
also
erosion,
control
measures
along
Boulder,
Creek
and
then
most
recently,
and
it's
just
good
to
point
out.
AJ
There
will
be
temporary
impacts
from
the
project,
but
we
try
and
do
our
best
to
limit
those
to
the
project
footprint,
and
this
was
a
project
we
completed
last
year
up
on
Bear
Creek
by
Bear,
Creek
Elementary,
and
you
can
see
it's
pretty
Barren
at
the
moment,
but
we're
starting
to
see
grasses
come
back
and
we
had
to
remove
about
three
major
cottonwoods
for
this
project
and
we
replanted
about
10
trees
out
there
as
part
of
that
project
and
granted.
They
are
definitely
not
as
big
when
we
remove
those
trees.
AJ
AD
Thank
you
so
much
for
the
presentation
and
I.
Imagine
it's
exciting
for
you
to
see
this.
This
moving
through
the
process.
I
just
wanted
to
confirm
a
couple
of
things
that
I
think
I
heard
just
to
make
sure,
so
this
project
is
being
done
based
on
the
new
storm
and
flood
water
master
plan
right,
so
it
did
take
into
account.
Some
of
the
newer
features
like
the
social
vulnerability
index
is
that
right.
AJ
Yes,
I
I'm,
also
I'm
just
going
to
speak
to
that
a
little
bit.
So
a
key
component
of
our
comprehensive
flood
and
stormwater
master
plan
was
to
be
able
to
prioritize
projects
across
the
city.
So
one
of
our
major
metrics
that
we
heard
from
the
community
and
also
included,
was
equity
and
the
way
we're
scoring
these
projects.
We
we
do
not
have
the
full
score
yet,
but
we'll
be
presenting
it
to
RAB
this
year,
based
on
this
prioritization
framework
and
using
the
full
social
vulnerability
index.
AJ
AD
Thank
you
I
appreciate
that
it
seems
like
you're
jumping
into
that,
a
little
sooner
than
than
I
at
least
expected
so
appreciate
that
I
think
it's
an
important
measure
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I've
got
my
numbers
about
right.
So
if
we
leave
it
as
is,
and
don't
kind
of
make
changes
there's
over
700
homes
and
businesses
that
are
affected,
if
we
address
it
with
this
plan,
we're
basically
removing
about
500
of
those
did
I
get
that
right.
So,
like
75
yeah.
AJ
That's
correct,
okay,
great,
it's
probably
good,
just
to
clarify
we're,
not
actually
modifying
any
of
those
structures.
As
part
of
this
plan,
it's
just
our
mitigation
efforts
would
remap
the
flood
plain.
So
that's
why
it's
a
life
cycle
approach.
Once
we
construct
these
improvements,
we
would
remap
the
floodplain
and
then
some
of
those
structures
would
be
removed
from
risk.
Thank.
AD
You
and
I
was
just
wondering
too
I
mean
you
know.
Sometimes,
when
you're
up
there
after
heavy
rains
right,
there's
some
streets
that
just
have
a
lot
of
water
and
things
are
there
areas
that'll
see
improvements
outside
of
that
kind
of
hundred
year,
flood
event.
So
we'll
you
know
we'll.
Will
anybody
notice
some
immediate
impacts
from
some
of
these
changes?.
AI
I
can
take
that
one
this
year,
I'll
give
Brandon
a
little
break
here,
so
the
the
businesses
in
that
area
around
Alpine
Balsam
and
like
like
Ideal
Market
right
now,
every
time
in
the
summer
we
have
a
significant
thunderstorm
that
area
ponds
up
and
it
kind
of
turns
into
a
lake
or
a
pond,
and
it's
temporary
and
not
hazardous,
but
it's
a
real
nuisance
and,
as
Brandon
showed,
the
1938
photo
versus
that.
AD
AD
AI
Thank
you
and
if
I
can
just
add
to
that,
a
lot
of
the
community
input
and
the
emails
that
Council
received
were
concerning
an
area
around
reach
number
six
and
there's
I,
think
there's
a
belief
and
a
hope
that
of
the
30
Alternatives
that
we
studied,
maybe
if
staff
had
had
recommended
a
different
one
to
move
forward,
we
could
avoid
the
channel
improvements
in
that
reach
and
that's
just
really
not
the
case
there.
We
did
look
at
storage
in
North,
Boulder,
Park
and
some
other
things
like
that.
AI
E
W
N
Brandon
I
wrote
down
classic
alluvial
system.
It's
so
nice
to
see
you
hear
words
like.
AJ
N
You
so
I
guess
maybe
following
up
on
Nicole's
last
question,
so
you
know
if
we,
if
we
were
to
say
well,
let's
not
do
anything
now
within
with
the
reach
six.
N
Is
that
and
then
we're
at
less
than
10
years?
Is
that
just
for
like
one
street,
or
is
that
for
all
of
it
like
if
we
were
to
say
we're
going
to
carve
that
out?
Are
there
Ripple
effects
on
the
rest
of
the
system.
AI
I
I'm
happy
to
take
a
shot
at
that
and
Brandon
can
elaborate
on
it,
but
reach
number
six.
So
this
is
the
the
upper
goose
and
Two
Mile
Canyon.
It's
really
the
Western
portion
of
the
flood,
plain
the
from
say:
Folsom
Street
to
the
east,
The
Goose
Creek
drainage
has
already
been
improved
to
a
hundred
year
level
and
so
reach
number.
AI
Six
is
really
the
most
Downstream
of
the
the
portion
of
this
flood
plain
that
we're
trying
to
address,
and
so,
if
we,
if
we
don't
have
a
way
at
the
most
Downstream
point
to
handle
the
flows
and
we
make
improvements
Upstream,
we
could
actually
make
things
worse,
and
so
we
really
it
it
has
to
kind
of
be
a
comprehensive.
The
whole
stream
has
to
be
done.
Fair.
AI
N
And
then
you
know,
I
know
that
there's
is
worry
about
loss
of
wetlands
and
trees,
which
I
empathize
with.
Is
there
and
you
got
to
this
brand
in
a
bit,
but
just
maybe
to
have
you
emphasize
it?
Is
there
something
other
than
like
City
council's
desires
or
staff's
wishes
that
restricts
us
being
like
brutish
to
trees
and
and
wetlands?
What
are
what
are
the
restrictions
that
we
might
have
there
sure.
AJ
Yeah,
so
as
a
utility,
we
do
public
engagement,
but
there's
no
formal
requirement
in
the
design
and
construction
stage.
Really
what
binds
us
is
Federal
regulatory
permitting
so
pretty
much
any
major
drainage
way
in
the
city.
When
we
work
in,
we
have
to
work
with
the
Army
Corps
of
Engineers
for
Waters
of
the
U.S,
so
they
regulate
Wetlands,
impacts
across
the
country
and
then,
through
that
process
they
will
also
consult
for
impacts
to
threaten
an
endangered
species,
Wildlife
historic
preservation
requirements.
AJ
So
if
there
was
an
archaeological
site,
so
that's
that
whole
process
we
go
through
at
a
federal
level
and
then
also
at
a
city
level.
We
have
a
very
restrictive
Wetlands
ordinance
as
well
and
we
have
to
meet
that
as
a
utility.
So
we're
not
exempt
from
that
and
that's
any
Wetlands
we
impact
we
need
to
mitigate
for
and
replace
and
most
of
the
time
we
try
and
do
that
in
the
area
where
the
impacts
happen.
Thanks.
N
So,
even
if
we
said
go
and
go
fast,
you
couldn't
just
go
in
there
with
a
bulldozer
and
like
do
what
you
wanted:
correct,
okay
and
then
just
one
more
question:
we've
talked
about
this
being
concept
and
then
next
will
be
design
and
construction
and
I
think
maybe
like
design
and
construction
causes
some
heart
burn
like
is
that
the
same
thing
we
are
going
to
do
this
today
and
then
you're
going
to
go
and
start
constructing,
or
these
concrete
different
steps
and
at
any
of
these
steps,
will
it
come
back
to
council
for
review.
AI
Very
different
steps,
and
typically
for
the
major
Capital
Improvement
projects,
design,
can
take
a
year
or
two
before
we're
ready
to
do
construction
and
there
are
easements
needed
for
this
work.
And
so
as
we.
If
the
plans
approved
tonight
and
we
move
into
design
part
of
it
would
be
working
with
the
property
owners
and
kind
of
having
the
one-on-one
communication
to
understand
in
more
detail
what
their
concerns
are,
try
to
alleviate
them
and
and
address
them,
and
so
there
there's
quite
a
bit
of
time
before
there
would
be
any
construction
activity
out
there
and.
AI
Yeah,
that's
a
that's
a
great
question,
so
tonight's
not
the
end
of
the
line
for
public
process.
It
is
a
major
there
are
major
Capital,
Improvement
and
projects
associated
with
this
and
those
come
forward
in
the
in
the
budget
process
every
year
and
certainly
the
the
ones
that
have
a
lot
of
community
interest
get
highlighted.
So
we
would
be
talking
about
that
and
then
any
time
that
there's
a
lot
of
community
interest
and
concern
about
something
that
the
city
is
doing.
E
I
AJ
I,
don't
have
a
backup
slide
for
that
Mark.
So,
right
now,
through
the
comprehensive
flood
and
stormwater
master
plan,
we
have
over
30
identified
projects
across
the
city
that
would
go
into
that
prioritization
criteria
and
as
I
mentioned,
we
would
continue
our
mitigation
planning.
So
we
may
have
more
projects
that
get
added
to
that
into
the
future.
So
right
now
we
have
about
36
projects
across
the
city
that
we
would
put
into
that
prioritization
framework
from
a
CIP
standpoint
for
flood
mitigation.
AJ
We
did
do
the
estimated
Capital
cost
and
we
estimated
it
about
350
million
dollars.
So
if
you
remember
with
the
CFS
approval
that
city
council
gave,
we
did
the
we
have
to
remind
myself
sorry
one
second.
X
AI
Well,
Brandon's,
looking
for
the
information
I
would
just
mention,
so
we
are
applying
that
prioritization
formula
to
all
of
those
projects.
I
think
39
of
them
that
Brandon
just
mentioned
will
be
showing
that
to
RAB
as
part
of
the
budget
process
and
and
that'll
be
coming
forward
as
as
part
of
the
capital
Improvement
package
from
utilities.
So
you
you
will
be
seeing
the
detail
on
on
everything
else.
That's
planned
for
the
next
30
Years
soon.
I
AJ
AI
So
that
that
is
an
option
that
the
city
has
and
Aaron
may
want
to
speak
to
that,
but
so
far
in
our
flood
utility
projects,
we've
always
been
able
to
negotiate
with
property
owners
and
and
on
the
Wonderland
Creek
project
that
Brandon
showed
completion
pictures
for
when
we
were
at
this.
This
stage
of
that
work.
There
were
similar
concerns
from
community
members,
but
we
were
able
to
work
through
that
and
address
them.
So
it
would
always
be
our
goal
to
negotiate
and
and
work
with
the
community
to
get
those
easements.
AJ
AI
AJ
AI
Can
if
I
can
add
to
that
I
would
expect.
There
would
be
some
large
tree
removal
and
when
we're
in
the
construction
phase
of
these
projects,
it
is
impactful
and
a
lot
of
Earth
moving
it's
temporary
and
it
and
it
does
come
back,
but
I
definitely
want
to
mention
that
I.
I
Would
have
to
then
ask
you
know
when
you
say
you
want
to
work
with
the
private
property
owners.
What
does
that
look
like
you,
you
know
you've
got
a
design.
You've
got
a
location
you're
not
going
to
the
property
owner,
says
I'm
distressed
you're,
cutting
down
my
trees,
you're
not
going
to
not
cut
down
the
trees.
So
what?
What
does
that
working
with
property
owners?
Look
like
in
a
substantive
manner.
AI
Yeah
so
our
most
recent
example
and
a
part
of
our
Capital
Improvement
program
in
utilities,
one
of
our
most
important-
if
not
the
most
important
projects,
is
our
main
sewer
improvements
and
the
the
staff
team
working
with
the
city,
attorneys
and
and
some
real
estate
support,
just
meet
one-on-one
with
the
property
owners
and
work
through
an
agreement
with
each
of
them,
and
we
eventually
get
to
a
legal
document.
That's
that's
an
easement
and
same
thing
on
the
main
sewer
project
right
now.
AI
A
lot
of
those
are
coming
through
for
Signature
from
the
city
manager
and
I'm
looking
at
those,
and
so
it's
a
it's
a
lengthy
process
that
takes
place
during
the
design
it
one-on-one
meetings
with
with
property
owners,
just
our
staff
and
them
when
I,
say
one-on-one.
It's
not
a
big
group
setting
it's
each
property
owner
meeting
with
City
staff.
I
Right,
my
last
question
is:
is
there
anything
that
might
be
more
cost
efficient
between
43
million
dollars,
plus
the
cost
of
acquisition
of
easements
and
zero?
The
concern
I
have
is,
is
you
know
at
CU
South
we're
protecting
2300
homes,
65
million
dollars?
That's
about
28
000,
a
home
in
Upper,
Goose
Creek,
the
cost
to
remove
82
homes
from
the
flood
plain
is
235
thousand
dollars
per
home,
not
just
using
the
numbers.
I
You've
provided
us,
that's
awfully
expensive
and
is
that
the
is
the
solution
that
we've
got
the
only
solution
that
is
effective
and
cost
efficient,
because
you
know
behind
this
project.
As
you've
mentioned,
we've
got
another
300
million
dollars
of
Capital
Improvements.
Yet
to
come,
and.
I
This
this
seems
there
seems
to
be
highly
inefficient
in
terms
of
the
cost
and
protecting
759
homes
is
a
wonderful
thing,
but
we're
doing
it
at
a
double
the
cost
about
56
000,
a
home
double
the
cost
of
what
What
it.
Took
cost
us
to
do.
Cu
South
and
at
CU
South
we've
got
lots
of
side
benefits,
so
I
I
I'm.
Just
asking
is
this:
is
this
the
only
way
we
can
go.
AI
The
Edgewood
portion,
for
example,
is
the
most
Downstream
section,
and
so
we
have
to
do
that
and,
if
we're
to
make
the
storm
water
improvements
that
will
address
the
the
yearly
ponding
and
pooling
that
we
see
during
thunderstorms,
we
really
have
to
do
that.
So,
as
I've
looked
at
this
with
the
staff
team,
I
don't
see
a
Part
Way
solution
that
still
gets
us.
Some
benefit
one
other
aspect
and
it's
a
discussion
we
had
internally
I
was
asking
them.
Could
we
do
something
less
than
a
hundred
year?
AI
Could
we
do
a
50-year
design
or
a
25-year
design,
and
could
that
be
a
potential
compromise
that
would
reduce
impacts
and
with
the
concern
being
along
Edgewood?
Unfortunately,
if
you
look
at
the
flood
plain
mapping
for
those
lesser
levels
of
of
flood
and
and
what
we
know
about
construction
impacts
to
do
Channel
improvements,
it
really
wouldn't
make
a
difference
so
I.
AI
In
my
experience.
Looking
at
these
projects
and
considering
Alternatives
I
I,
don't
see
an
obvious
one
or
one
that
would
lessen
the
financial
impact
and
I
do
know
as
well
talking
to
the
team
that
the
storm
water
investments
we
need
to
make
across
the
city
because
of
the
issues
in
this
drainage
tend
to
be
a
little
more
concentrated
here,
and
so
other
areas
of
the
city
won't
be
as
expensive,
but
in
making
the
investment
will
just
help
us
with
situations
even
less
than
100
year
flood
that
the
community
sees
impacts
from
every
year.
AJ
Yeah
and
and
Mark,
if
it's
okay,
if
I,
could
just
add
to
fundamentally
South
Boulder
Creek
flood
mitigation,
is
a
very
cost
effective
project
because
of
detention,
we're
really
limited
as
a
utility
to
where
we
can
do
that
scale
of
detention,
kind
of
speaking
back
to
the
slide
of
just
within
within
these
drainage
basins.
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
large
open
areas
where
we
could
do
detention,
but
it
is
a
very
cost,
effective
approach.
N
Thanks
so
I
I,
remember
or
think
I
remember
from
the
CU
South
context
like
there
were
a
lot
of
people
complaining
that
it
was
so
expensive
for
what
we
were
doing
and
I
was
often
like
it's
a
screaming
deal
like
for
what
we
have
done
in
other
places
as
I
recall.
So
my
question
is:
if
we're
not
comparing
the
cost
per
dwelling
at
CU
South,
but
rather
to
some
other
spots,
is,
is
this
maybe
in
line
with
some
of
those
costs.
AI
I
I
can
so,
as
Brandon
said,
CU
South
is
kind
of
an
outlier
when
we
look
at
all
39
of
those
projects
in
terms
of
the
benefit
and
how
attractive
it
looks
in
comparison
and
my
impression
from
talking
with
the
team
that
what
we
see
here
what's
with
what's
proposed
in
this
mitigation
plan
and
the
projects
that
will
come
out
of
it,
the
rest
of
the
projects
of
the
city
would
would
be
more
like
this.
G
G
My
question
really
centers
around
I
think
Mark
was
kind
of
touching
on
a
little
bit
this
sort
of
efficiency
factor
and
if
and
Joe's
you
sort
of
mentioning
that,
if
you're
looking
at
even
25
or
50
year,
flood
protection
I
would
imagine
that
once
you
have
your
equipment
in
there
you're
already
in
there,
and
and
doesn't
it
just
make
sense
to
then
just
do
the
work
and
get
to
100
I
mean
there's
no
real
sort
of
you're,
not
using
like
a
little
dingo
versus
a
large
excavator.
G
AI
We
wouldn't
be
using
small
hand
tools,
but
your
what
you're
saying
is
correct.
It's
it.
If
we
chose
a
a
design
capacity
for
the
channel
or
a
design
flood
that
was
25
year,
it
doesn't
mean
compared
to
a
hundred
year.
The
the
equipment
would
be
a
quarter
of
the
size,
it's
still
the
same
equipment,
it's
still
the
same
general
ground
disturbance
because
of
the
constraints
and
the
geography
in
this
reach,
and
so
it
really
wouldn't
change.
B
All
right
well
that
that
actually
segues
nicely
into
my
question,
which
was
about
so
one,
the
one
area
where
we
still
have
two
Alternatives
and
if
we
approve
this
plan,
is
the
piping
kind
of
at
the
end
of
the
line
right,
whether
it
comes
down
to
Goose,
Creek,
further
west
or
whether
it
comes
in
to
the
east
of
reach
six,
and
so
it
certainly
sounds
promising
to
send
a
little
further
Downstream.
What
would
be
the
criteria
that
we
would
use
to
decide
between
those
two
options
as
we
move
forward
to
design.
AI
I
can
give
Brandon
a
second
to
think
about
that,
but
that's
an
example
of
something
that,
in
the
current
plan,
the
water
can
come
down.
19Th
Street
in
a
pipe
and
connect
with
the
Goose
Creek
channel
that
way
or
it
can
go
down.
Floral
Drive
and
connect
a
little
bit
further
Downstream,
and
what
we're
hearing,
especially
in
the
last
few
weeks
from
the
community,
is
a
strong
preference
for
it
to
go
down.
Floral
drive
from
a
technical
standpoint
for
staff
either
works
equally
well,
and
it
makes
no
difference
for
us.
B
AI
J
You
so
much
my
question:
I
wanted
to
ask
you
earlier
because
you
mentioned
Mile
High
flood
district
and
when
I
was
Miracle
time,
I
was
appointed
to
that
by
the
mayor
and
I.
Remember
this
particular
project
was
heavily
disgusted,
disgusted
discussed
discussed.
Are
you
disgusted
I.
J
Thank
you
heavily
discussed
and
again
the
mile
high
flood
District
as
a
board
and
the
type
of
expertise
that
it
offers
I
wanted
you
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
the
type
of
support
that
this
particular
project
received
and
I
know.
One
of
the
questions
that
may
mayor,
Pro,
tem
Wallach,
had
is
the
how
much
it's
costing
the
CD,
but
also
the
type
of
support
that
you
we
are
getting
in
order
to
get
this
work
done,
and
also
it's
not
just
an
issue
for
Boulder
itself.
J
It's
an
issue
for
for
it's
a
regional
issue
and
there's
so
many
other
experts
that
are
involved
as
part
of
that
process.
So
I
wanted
to
hear
a
little
bit
more
about
that
and
also
the
investment
from
again
Mile
High
flood
district
and
other
support
that
you're
getting.
Thank
you.
AJ
Yeah
so
the
mile
high
flood
District,
the
city,
is
in
the
mile
high
flood
District
they're
a
great
partner
for
these
types
of
projects.
So
they
can
support
us
in
a
number
of
ways,
so
they
can
support
us
with
their
staff.
So
we
have
a
watershed
manager.
They
have
environmental
resources,
engineering
consultant
construction
contractors.
They
also
can
provide
funding
for
us
and
the
first
step
for
us
to
get
Mile
High
funding
for
a
project
like
this
from
a
CIP
standpoint
is
for
how
to
have
them
partner
on
this
mitigation
plan.
AJ
So
if
they
don't,
they
don't
have
a
role
in
the
mitigation
planning.
It
won't
be
eligible
for
Mile,
High
funding,
and
then
they
also
are
a
huge
educational
resource
for
us
as
a
staff
of
just
being
at
that's
really
where
this
high
functioning
low
maintenance
stream
concept
came
from.
It's
really
been
Advanced
by
the
mile
high
flood
district,
and
it's
given
us
a
lot
of
great
Technical
Resources
to
be
able
to
design
those
types
of
projects.
B
Good
enough
great,
so
let's
move
to
the
public
hearing
then
thanks
for
all
those
great
answers.
Oh
another
question.
N
Maybe
it's
already
lined
up
like
this,
but
is
there
any
way
legally,
we
can
move
kids
to
the
front
of
the
line
who
might
be
up
past
their
bedtime.
N
B
I
certainly
would
support
that
we
so
rarely
get
young
folks
here.
So
if
people
don't
mind,
maybe
we
could
start
with
with
the
young
folks.
So
do
we
need
to
over
like
make
a
motion
to
spend
rules
or.
B
B
B
Again,
all
in
favor
raise
your
hands:
okay,
unanimous
great,
so
we're
going
to
start
with
the
young
folks.
I've
got
three
people
signed
up
to
speak,
who
are
under
the
age
of
18.
Gavin,
Devins,
Ren,
bauscher
and
Angel
Luna
Ramirez
and
you'll.
Each
have
two
minutes
to
speak,
although
I
might
be
a
little
more
lenient
with
you
than
with
some
of
your
older
colleagues
in
the
room
here
so
Gavin.
AL
AL
We
have
been
learning
that
storms
are
getting
bigger
and
more
frequent.
We
also
know
that
our
city
is
doing
a
lot
to
prepare
for
climate
change.
The
upper
Goose
Creek
flood
mitigation
project
will
help
make
our
city
more
resilient
and
will
help
keep
all
people
safe
in
the
next
Flood.
Now
Ren
is
going
to
talk
about
how
important
flood
mitigation
is
to
do
to
protect
our
community
members.
AM
Hi,
my
name
is
Ren
and
we're
very
grateful
for
the
flooded
mitigation
that
has
already
happened
on
Lower
Goose
Creek.
There
are
several
reasons
why
we
want
that
work
to
continue
on
upper
Goose
Creek,
lower
Goose
Creek
is
near
our
school
and
we
took
a
field
trip
there
to
learn
about
flood
mitigation
and
how
it
is
working
on
our
field
trip.
We
saw
how
well-fled
walls,
Retention,
Ponds,
dropped,
structures
and
meanders
are
working
to
slow
down
the
water
on
the
lower
Goose
Creek.
This
is
keeping
people
and
property
safe.
AM
We
want
upper
Goose
Creek
to
have
the
same
opportunities
next
slide.
Please
in
class
we
also
built
flood
models
and
tested
how
well
flowed
walls,
Retention,
Ponds
dropped
structures
and
Manders
are
working
to
slow
down
water.
We
built
our
models
with
different
scenarios
in
mind
and
tested
how
slow
water
to
how
to
slow
down
water
down
and
observe
absorb
water.
We
know
that
the
flood
plans
for
upper
Goose
Creek
will
be
successful
in
slowing
down
water
too.
AM
AN
AN
AN
B
B
AO
AO
The
communities
who
live
in
the
trailer
parks,
such
as
myself
and
other
families,
could
be
affected
if
we
don't
undertake
the
needed
flood
mitigations
to
protect
us
from
floods.
One
of
the
reasons
why
Justice
is
important
is
because
the
people
who
have
fewest
resources
could
be
more
effective
than
those
with
more
resources.
B
Well,
thank
you
all
so
much
for
coming
and
speaking
to
us.
It's
impressive
what
you
put
together
and
you
Lauren
fulkerts
and
I,
were
at
one
of
your
presentations
at
Columbine
and
and
Tara.
Was
there
a
different
day
as
well?
I
didn't
see
you
there,
so
it
was
so
impressed
by
the
work
that
you
all
had
done,
and
so
thanks
for
engaging
in
the
Civic
process
can.
N
B
All
right,
yeah,
thanks
so
much
all
right.
We
we
will
now
move
to
the
over
18
portion
of
the
public
hearing,
so
adults
only
from
here
on
out
anyway,
and
thank
you
all
the
rest
of
you
for
your
graciousness
and
being
patient.
While
we
we
let
the
young
people
speak
you're,
you're,
very
generous,
so
everyone
will
have
two
minutes
to
speak.
We
have
a
number
of
people
in
person,
then
a
couple
online
as
well.
So
our
first
three
speakers
are
Devin
Reicher,
arietta,
Roth
and
Beryl
Stafford.
AP
Thank
you
guys
we're
the
Rikers
we
own
a
home
on
Edgewood,
Drive
and
I've,
been
at
Boulder
since
the
week
of
the
2013
flood
as
I,
feared
and
expected.
The
positioning
of
our
community
feedback
regarding
the
proposed
flood
mitigation
is
being
construed
as
a
few
disgruntled
ill-informed
and
NIMBY
homeowners.
It's
disheartening,
because
the
pain,
frustration
and
sometimes
frantic
Outburst
year
witnessed
these
past
weeks
should
have
you
reflecting
on
the.
Why
and
not
the
who?
The
desperation
is
emblematic
of
a
deeply
flawed
engagement
process
for
which
real
lives
and
properties
are
at
stake.
AP
I.
Ask
that
you
reflect
on
the
criticality
of
your
review.
How
much
time
have
you
each
spent
researching,
The
Proposal
not
at
face
value
but
critically,
as
you
would
do,
if
it
were
your
home,
your
investment
and
your
lives
that
simply
needed
to
fall
in
line
while
we
love
the
corridor.
Flood
mitigation
is
needed,
but
we
all
should
take
issue
with
this
approach.
During
my
career
at
Zeo,
I
managed
commensurate
infrastructure
projects
with
some
of
the
largest
Sports
media
companies
in
the
world.
AP
I
can
confidently
say
this
is
not
how
you
manage
the
stakeholders,
specifically
when
there's
inequitable
impact,
Financial
impact
health
and
well-being
impact.
This
is
not
how
it's
done
the
inability
to
listen
to
questions
from
the
community
so
that
your
answers
may
be
thorough
and
honest
instead
of
contradicting
your
statements
days
later.
This
is
not
how
it's
done
the
delayed
release
of
the
full
proposal
and
supporting
documentation
leading
up
to
this
meeting
to
mitigate
our
Effectiveness
in
being
contributing
members
of
this
forum.
AP
This
is
not
how
it's
done
plainly.
The
community
engagement
efforts
by
the
RAB
board
and
you
and
the
related
utilities
were
perfunctory
at
best
and
negligent
at
worst.
This
is
not
how
it's
done.
I.
Ask
you
not
to
question
the
need.
We
know
the
need.
I
ask
you
to
question
the.
How
do
you
know
explicitly
what
you're
approving
we
weren't
the
drain
in
2013.
for
those
who
benefit
for
whose
benefit
should
we
be
the
drain
going
forward?
Thank.
AQ
Good
evening
city
council,
my
name
is
arietta
Roth
I've
been
a
resident
of
Edgewood
Drive
with
my
husband
and
dog
since
2021.
the
backyard
and
natural
surroundings
were
the
reasons
we
decided
to
put
an
offer
on
our
home.
Finding
out,
we
were
in
a
flood
and
conveyance
Zone
at
closing,
made
us
take
a
considerable
pause
in
the
fall
of
2022.
Our
home
received
a
flyer
that
noted
the
city
was
re-evaluating
the
flood
zone
by
going
to
the
link
provided
I
saw
some
of
the
maps
included
in
today's
proposal.
AQ
However,
there
was
no
indication
that
work
would
need
to
be
done
for
this.
Reclassification
I
have
not
received
any
notices
from
the
city
since
that
flyer
I
am
here
today
due
to
the
efforts
of
my
neighbors
to
make
sure
our
community
was
informed
of
a
major
project
that
would
impact
all
of
us
after
reading,
through
the
materials
currently
available
and
meeting
with
Joanna
Bloom's
team
I
support
a
budget
approval
to
begin
the
engineering
and
design
process
for
the
greater
flood
mitigation
project.
I
have
concerns
regarding
reach.
AQ
Instead
of
encroachment
into
the
north
side,
properties
to
the
extent
possible,
the
use
of
natural
design
strategies
to
retain
the
banks
of
the
creek
when
natural
design
strategies
are
not
possible.
Implementation
of
environmentally
and
aesthetically
sensitive
Solutions,
regular
maintenance,
trash
cleanup
and
Tree
Care,
regardless
of
project
scope
and
confirmation
that
increased
pedestrian
access
will
not
be
provided
behind
our
homes.
Thank
you.
E
AR
My
name
is
Beryl
Stafford
I
founded
a
company
here
in
Boulder
20
years
ago,
Bobo's
out
bars,
I've
lived
in
and
have
paid
taxes
in
Boulder
for
over
40
years,
I
came
to
see
you
and
never
left.
I
live
on
Goose
Creek
on
tidal
Road,
my
backyard
abuts,
the
creek
I
am
asking
city
council
to
vote
no
or
at
least
delay
this
vote
on
the
flood
mitigation
plan.
AR
My
biggest
concern
is
the
short
amount
of
time
in
which
my
neighbors
and
I
were
informed
of
all
of
this
and
that
it
is
already
up
for
vote
after
first
hearing
about
it.
Only
a
few
weeks
ago,
I
never
received
notice
from
the
city.
I
was
lucky
that
my
neighbors
put
flyers
around
the
neighborhood.
We,
whose
lives
will
be
severely
impacted
by
10
years
of
disruptive
construction
at
our
homes,
feel
that
the
Outreach
from
the
city
has
been
a
huge
failure
and
that
this
has
been
and
that
this
has
been
shoved
down
our
throats.
AR
My
second
concern
is
that
the
plan
will
completely
destroy
this
unique
Wildlife
ecosystem
that
exists
in
our
downtown
Pearl
Street
area.
This
little
Urban
wild
Corridor
is
home
to
hundreds
of
cottonwoods
mountain
lions,
bear
minks,
Fox,
deer,
tons
of
species
of
birds,
songbirds
and
Hawks
I
believe
this
Corridor
is
definitely
worth
saving
your
plan
to
bulldoze
and
concrete.
All
of
this
seems
irrational
and
rushed
I
know
there
are
alternatives
to
this
widening
of
upper
Goose
Creek,
one
that
is
frequently
mentioned
during
our
neighborhood
meetings.
Is
the
existing
Floral
Street
option?
AR
I'm
no
engineer,
but
I
urge
you
to
spend
the
time
considering
this
or
other
Alternatives,
as
they
are
way
less
intrusive
to
Boulder
residents
and
will
take
a
fraction
of
the
money
and
time
spent
that
the
upper
group
upper
Goose
Creek
mitigation
would
require.
In
your
plan
on
page
300,
I
quote:
one
of
the
options
is
to
delay
so
I'm
asking
you
to
please
consider
this
today.
Thank
you.
AS
AS
F
AT
Edgewood
South
against
the
mission
to
destroy
our
backyards
and
easements
along
the
Majestic
Wildlife
Corridor
at
Goose
Creek,
my
my
the
roller
coaster
of
events
put
to
this
section
of
community.
It's
been
the
ride
of
Our
Lives
I
personally
have
never
felt
so
much
pain
and
so
much
despair.
Yet
so
much
love
and
connection
in
one
short
span.
AT
My
dream
tonight
is
to
have
my
targeted,
coveted
section
of
Edgewood
and
Creek,
deemed
Untouchable
protected
designated
ecosystem
for
the
coming
Generations.
May
they
never
endure
the
misery
of
all
that
was
1988
sea
dump
or
All
That
Remains
reach.
Six
today
I
asked
cancel
vote.
No.
The
Monstrous
discrepancies
dispersed
as
accurate
between
citizens
and
planning
appear
irreconcilable.
AT
E
AU
Good
evening
my
name
is
Brian
Bennett
I
live
at
1921,
Tyler
Road
I
am
not
an
engineer
I'm
here
tonight,
because
I
have
concerns
about
the
upper
goose
and
Two
Mile
Canyon
Creek
flood
mitigation
plan,
specifically
about
reach
six.
The
plan
aims
to
replace
the
wildlife
Corridor
to
help
with
flooding
mitigation.
However,
destroying
this
act
of
wildlife
Corridor
will
have
long-term,
lasting
negative
effects
on
the
corridor
and
the
neighbors
who
live
near
it.
This
Wildlife
Corridor
is
a
vital
part
of
our
ecosystem.
AU
AU
Once
the
proposed
construction
is
complete,
we
need
to
consider
the
impact
of
increased
human
traffic
in
the
area
which
could
lead
to
further
environmental
damage.
Moreover,
we
need
to
ask
ourselves
whether
this
is
the
best
solution
to
the
problem
of
flooding.
Are
there
other
options
that
would
be
less
damaging
to
the
environment
and
the
neighborhood
I
urge
those
involved
in
the
decision-making
process
to
carefully
consider
the
environmental
impact
of
the
construction
and
find
a
solution
that
protects
our
community
from
flooding
and
ensures
the
preservation
of
our
natural
resources.
AU
We
can
find
solutions
that
balance
both
safety
and
Environmental
Conservation,
but
it
will
require
collaboration
and
creative
problem
solving
in
conclusion,
I'm,
not
an
engineer,
but
there
must
be
a
better
solution
than
widening
upward
Goose
Creek
between
19th
Street
and
24th
Street.
Let
us
work
together
to
find
a
solution
that
addresses
the
concerns
of
all
parties
involved.
I
urge
city
council
to
either
vote
no
were
delayed.
The
vote
until
our
concerns
have
been
addressed.
Thank
you,
council
members
for
your
time
and
attention.
Thank.
B
Q
You
mentioned
that
there
was
a
lot
of
community
engagement,
but
most
of
us
did
not
even
hear
about
this
till
March
or
April,
and
we
were
able
to
get
these
t-shirts
in
just
a
few
weeks.
So
we
are
disturbed
by
many
aspects
of
this
10
plus
year
plan.
As
you
know,
if
it's
10
years
that
really
means
12
to
15.,
which
will
bring
air
pollution
noise
pollution,
it
will
disturb
the
sleep
of
many
residents.
Q
It
will
destroy
trees
and
other
foliage
and,
as
has
been
mentioned
before,
these
won't
come
back
in
just
a
few
years
and
it
will
greatly
disturb
the
wonderful
Wildlife
we
have
have
back
there
and
some
of
the
animals
were
mentioned
by
another
one
of
my
neighbors,
but
that
they're
more
than
that-
and
it
does
not
seem
to
be
in
keeping
with
Boulder's
love
of
the
environment
and
care
for
animals.
Q
The
purported
goal
of
this
plan
is
to
prevent
more
flooding,
but
my
neighbors
and
I
have
actually
had
little
to
no
problems
with
flooding
on
our
street,
and
that
includes
my
house,
which
has
been
in
my
family's
ownership
for
50
plus
years
and
I,
believe
there
are
alternatives,
as
has
been
mentioned
before
the
Floral
Street
is
the
one
mainly
mentioned,
but
I
believe
there
are
others,
and
so
I
ask
you
to
please
vote
no
on
this
plan
or
at
the
very
least,
delay.
Thank
you.
Thanks.
AV
AV
AV
AV
That's
over
five
hundred
thousand
pounds
of
CO2
from
the
atmosphere
since
our
homes
were
built.
This
plan
will
replace
the
cottonwoods
with
concrete.
It
will
increase
global
warming
and
the
intensity
of
storms.
This
plan
seeks
to
mitigate
it,
12
million
twenty
twenty
dollars
nearly
double
or
triple
by
implementation.
Widening
upper
Goose
Creek
is
the
most
costly
alternative
and
it
provides
the
worst
cost
to
benefit
ratio.
AV
Utilizing
far
less
expensive
and
disruptive
Alternatives,
such
as
the
two
mile-04a,
which
enlarges
stormwater
drains
under
Iris
and
improving
Floral
Drive
stormwater
drains
is
better
upper
Goose
Creek
Alternatives
include
detention
ponds
in
North,
Boulder,
Park
and
all
border
Hospital
site
and
under
the
utilized,
Community
Gardens.
Additionally,
improving
and
properly
maintaining
existing
stormwater
drains
and
systems
is
Paramount.
AV
AW
Good
evening
my
name
is
Candace,
Woolworth
and
I'm
here
tonight,
because
I
believe
we
can
address
the
flood
mitigation
needs
in
North
Boulder
and,
at
the
same
time
protect
one
of
the
few
remaining
Wildlife
corridors
in
the
city.
The
current
plan
calls
for
extensive
and
invasive
construction
on
reach,
six
that
would
put
the
Goose
Creek
Wildlife
Corridor
In
Harm's
Way.
We've
been
told
that
this
plan
has
been
well
vetted,
yet
my
partner
and
I,
and
many
of
our
neighbors
first
learned
about
it
in
late
March,
not
from
the
city
but
from
a
neighbor.
AW
A
public
utilities.
Project
of
this
cost
and
consequence
requires
timely
and
proactive
Outreach
and
engagement
with
citizens.
This
has
not
been
the
case
before
a
decision
is
made.
All
stakeholders
need
to
understand
the
Matrix
of
options.
I
recently
discovered
a
report
online
authored
by
icon
engineering
dated
in
2022.
It
describes
reach
2,
which
is
near
Linden
Avenue
as
being
partially
on
private
property.
AW
It
states
that
restoration
of
the
full
100-year
capacity
would
be
overly
disruptive
to
the
adjacent
land
and
concludes
that
a
design
with
less
than
100
Year
capacity
would
quote,
be
a
good
compromise
for
this
reach
of
the
creek
end
quote:
why
not
apply
the
same
principles
to
read
six
and
seek
a
good
compromise,
one
that
aligns
with
the
city's
Green
Space
goals
and
environmental
stewardship
values
as
Citizens.
We
don't
have
a
vote
tonight,
nor
do
our
neighbors
children,
who
would
lose
beloved
backyard
play
spaces
essential
to
their
health
and
well-being.
AW
I
urge
you
use
the
power
of
your
vote
to
request
additional
conceptual
design
details,
including
an
environmental
impact
report,
vote
no
on
the
plan
as
it
now
stands,
proof
of
concept
requires
that
the
city,
council
and
homeowners
understand
the
nitty-gritty
impacts
this
project
would
have.
While
we
can
still
make
a
difference,
options
do
exist,
let's
get
them
on
the
table.
Thank
you.
AX
AX
As
a
resident
of
Edgewood
Drive,
whose
home
backs
up
to
Goose,
Creek
I,
understand
and
agree
that
flood
mitigation
is
necessary,
yet
I'm
concerned
about
the
negative
impact
that
this
will
have
on
wildlife
and
the
effects
on
the
deer
bear
Fox,
Hawks,
owls
and
mountain
lions
and
countless
other
species
making
their
homes
in
the
corridor
as
Boulder
continues
to
expand
in
its
development
and
growth.
This
unique
Swatch
of
land
and
home
for
wildlife
warrants
consideration
and
protection.
AX
It's
not
clear
to
me
from
the
flood
mitigation
proposal
what
has
been
assessed
and
determined
relative
to
preserving
the
wildlife,
especially
during
an
extended
period
of
construction.
The
width
of
the
creek
behind
my
home
is
five
feet
across
and
it's
my
understanding.
The
current
plan
is
to
expand
it
to
30,
which
will
necessitate
the
countless
removal
of
trees
and
excavation
of
the
natural
landscape
which
held
its
own
during
the
2013
flooding
and
where
my
home
remained
dry.
AX
As
many
people
may
not
be
aware,
living
in
a
designated
flood
zone
impacts.
What
you
can
do
with
your
own
property
permits
are
three
times
more
expensive
and
you're
limited
in
what
you
can
do
with
Renovations
and
Home
Improvements
and
I'm
required
to
maintain
a
costly
flood
insurance
policy
that
goes
up
every
year.
So
with
all
those
challenges,
you
would
think
I
would
hold
no
objections
for
flood
mitigation,
as
it
may
protect
my
home
from
a
significant
water
event,
but
it
also
provides
me
a
lot
more
freedom
and
less
expenses
as
a
homeowner.
AX
Improving
the
corridor
while
protecting
and
minimizing
the
alteration
of
the
natural
landscape
and
Wildlife
Refuge
can
be
achieved
and
should
be
prioritized
through
collaboration,
not
only
with
the
contractors
and
engineers
providing
additional
assessments,
plans
and
Designs,
but
active
engagement
from
the
residents.
There
was
very
little
Outreach
or
engagement
from
the
city
with
those
of
us
most
impacted
by
this
project
and
whose
yards
and
quality
of
life
will
most
be
affected.
So
please
vote
no
today
and
request
concept,
additional
conceptual
design,
details
for
consideration.
Thank.
F
Bev
Daniels
I
live
on
Tyler
Road,
Boulder,
City,
Prides
itself
on
communication
engagement
and
transparency
with
the
community.
Unfortunately,
that's
not
Apparent
at
all
during
this
process.
How
can
the
city
council
vote
so
soon
on
this
proposal,
when
the
people
most
affected
received
so
little
communication
and
Outreach
from
the
city
when
their
voices
have
not
been
heard?
An
alternative's
considered
reach
six
plan
has
such
a
far-reaching
negative
impact
on
this
community,
most
of
us
weren't
even
aware
of
the
plan
until
last
month,
and
that
was
from
some
neighbors,
not
the
city.
F
Why
weren't
the
members
of
the
community
a
long
time
ago,
told
of
the
likely
outcomes
of
this
plan
that
they're
going
to
lose
sections
of
their
property,
that
their
lives
are
going
to
be
appended
by
Major
construction
work
in
their
backyards
and
I
mean
in
their
backyards
that
over
a
hundred
cottonwood
trees
will
be
removed
and
that,
due
to
extensive
construction,
animals
and
birds
will
no
longer
live
and
move
through
an
undeveloped,
wild
animal
corridor,
countless
foxes,
dear
Bobcats
and
even
bears
and
mountain
lions.
The
community
deserves
better
than
this.
F
It
should
have
had
time
to
fully
evaluate
the
plan
to
understand
the
basis
of
the
conclusions
and
consider
alternatives.
There
are
alternatives
to
this
plan,
which
will
not
result
in
such
drastic
outcomes.
I
urge
the
city
council
to
vote
no.
At
the
very
least,
I
ask
you
to
delay
the
vote
to
give
the
community
and
the
city
the
opportunity
for
Meaningful
engagement
and
consider
consideration
of
the
Alternatives.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
attention.
Z
Bad
thanks,
Ryan
yeah
I
want
you
to
take
the
the
30
000
foot
perspective
here
you
know
before
he
died.
Gilbert
white
told
me
took
me
aside
and
said:
you
know
the
problem
is
people
building
on
the
flood
Plains.
It's
not
the
floodplains
himself
they're
natural
phenomenon,
and
you
know
you
look
at
those
1938
pictures
that
was
85
years
ago.
Z
Can
you
imagine
what
this
place
is
going
to
look
like
in
the
year
2108,
which
is
another
85
years
from
now,
because
at
the
rate
that
this
place
is
growing
and
that
you're
developing
and
you're
you're,
you
know
you're
having
to
deal
with
these
things
after
the
fact
not
before
the
fact
you
know
digging
big
culverts
and
changing
ecosystems
should
not
be
an
afterthought
and
it
is
an
afterthought.
It
absolutely
is
the
way
Builders
the
way
Boulder
is
building
up
its
landscape.
Z
Z
At
the
open
comment
and
at
public
hearing
is
anyone
say
anything
positive
where's,
the
engagement,
you
know,
I,
don't
know
I,
don't
I
live
on
the
hill,
so
I'm
not
even
involved
in
this,
but
you
know
what
I
am
because
my
dad
came
to
this
town
in
about
53
and
that's
you
know.
My
attachment
to
this
place
is
long-standing
and
this
process
needs
to
be
different.
You
need
to
think
in
the
aerial
perspective.
H
Hi
Nancy
Trigg
I'm
speaking
on
upper
Goose
Creek
reach
sex.
When
people
buy
a
home,
they
make
a
decision
to
accept
some
risks.
The
residents
along
Edgewood
understood
this
and
chose
to
purchase
these
small
homes
with
a
beautiful
natural
Wildlife
Corridor
and
accept
some
flood
rest
that
came
along
with
it.
Now
the
residents
of
Medford
are
being
told
that
we
need
to
give
up
our
peace
and
much
of
our
property
for
risk
mitigation.
These
residents
here
today
love
their
homes
and
way
of
life,
most
of
whom
have
lived
on
the
street
for
decades.
H
We
understand
and
appreciate
that
city-wide
flood
mitigation
is
necessary
and
support
plans
to
ensure
the
safety
of
people
and
properties,
and
we
also
want
to
protect
the
wildlife
Corridor
and
the
Peace
of
our
daily
lives.
Two
things
can
be
true.
At
the
same
time,
there
must
be
Alternatives
that
could
merge
these
two
interests
in
Goose
Creek
reach
six,
some
City
staff
continually
state
that
there
are
not
alternatives
to
Goose
Creek
reach
six,
but
there
are
significant
options
to
reduce
its
impact.
H
H
If
you
vote
to
move
this
project
forward,
there
is
no
further
city
council
involvement
through
the
design
and
construction
phases.
We
fear
that
Assurance
is
made
now
will
potentially
collapse
once
approval
is
given
any
number
of
changes
or
additions
to
the
project.
Scope
may
occur
during
the
next
phase
that
they
have
continued
to
do
up
until
this
presentation
was
once
again
updated
last
week,
and
heart
numbers
will
have
no
recourse
to
help
them.
Please
vote
no
on
the
plan
of
this
phase
and
insist
on
more
alternative
design
studies
and
details
with
real
company
Community
input.
B
You
Nancy,
okay,
that
brings
to
close
our
public
hearing
thanks.
Everyone
who
came
and
spoke
to
us
tonight
appreciate
your
input,
so
I'm
going
to
bring
it
back
to
council
and
I'll
just
start
to
see.
If
we
have
any
follow-up
questions
based
on
the
public
testimony
and
then
we'll
go
to
deliberations,
I
got
Bob
and
then
Nicole
thanks.
K
Everyone
that
came
out
Joe,
I,
guess
this
is
the
question
for
you.
It
feels
to
me
listening
to
your
presentation,
listening
to
some
of
the
testimonies
tonight,
that
we
have
a
little
bit
of
a
chicken
rig
situation,
because
it
sounds
like
you're
coming
to
us
and
asking
us
for
the
green
light
to
move
on
to
the
design
phase
and
I
hear
from
frustration
from
the
community
that
they
don't
know
what
the
design
is
and
so
I'm
not
sure
how
to
resolve
that.
K
Can
you
lay
out
for
us
your
proposed
timeline
like
what
what
do
you,
if
you
got
a
green
light
on
I'm,
moving
forward
to
design
tonight?
What
would
be
your
timeline
for
each
of
these
phases
and
do
you
and
what's
what's
the
timeline
for
the
community
engagement
along
the
way
and
and
to
that
last
speaker's
Point?
Is
there
are
plans
to
bring
this
back
to
council
from
time
to
time,
check-ins.
AI
Sure
thank
you
for
that.
One
clarification
I
wanted
to
make.
Can
you
hear
me
I
feel
like
okay,
I
feel
like
I
might
not
be
working.
A
couple
of
the
speakers
mentioned
referred
to
the
Water
Resources
Advisory,
Board
and
I
meant
to
say
something
in
my
introductory
remarks.
It's
it's
been
the
plan
that
we're
presenting
tonight
has
been
represented
as
a
RAB
authored
plan
by
some
people
and
then
just
for
I
know
the
council.
AI
So
if
this
moves
into
the
design
phase,
we
would
then
have
a
concept
that
we
would
start
to
develop
the
design
details
and,
as
I
I
think
I
mentioned
earlier
and
Brandon
I'll
give
you
the
opportunity
to
clarify
anything
that
I
get
wrong
I'll.
Just
speak
from
in
general,
normally
a
project
of
this
scale
or
the
projects
that
come
out
of
this
plan
and
the
scale
of
them.
AI
It
can
be
a
year
year
and
a
half
two
years
of
design
and
working
with
the
community
on
the
property
impacts
and
things
like
that
negotiating
easements
before
we
would
be
in
a
position
to
go
to
construction,
and
certainly
council,
could
ask
us,
as
I
mentioned
before,
at
any
time,
to
come
and
give
you
an
update.
Given
the
concerns
that
you've
heard
here
tonight
and
and
see
if
we've
addressed
them
satisfactorily.
AJ
Yeah
I
think
you
got
most
of
it
Joe,
but,
yes,
we
would
start
immediately
on
the
concept
design
phase
and
it
does
include
an
element
of
community
engagement.
So
a
good
example
right
now
is
Gregory
Canyon
Creek,
so
we're
sharing
designs
as
we
develop
them
through
the
web
page
meeting
with
community
members.
That
would
be
impacted
and,
yes,
we'd,
be
happy
to
come
back
to
council
and
give
updates
as
we
go.
K
K
I
know
you
showed
you
flashed
up
some
numbers
about
how
many
houses
would
be
taken
out
of
different
flood
risk
and
I
know
you
guys
aren't
an
insurance
experts.
You
may
not
be
able
to
answer
this
question,
but
do
you
have
any
idea
how
many
of
those
homes
would
be
relieved
of
that
flood
insurance
requirement
based
upon
what
you
know.
AJ
Yeah,
so
all
those
527
homes
would
be
removed
from
the
special
Hazard
flood
zone,
so
I
just
want
to
clarify
that
doesn't
mean
there's
no
flood
risk.
It
is
just
a
line
on
the
map,
so
FEMA
does
have
a
new
flood
insurance
system.
So
it
is
a
risk-based
approach.
It's
called
risk
2.0
so
that
actually
generates
flood
insurance
rates
for
any
home
based
on
potential
flooding
risk.
So
we
would
remove
all
of
them
from
the
special
Hazard
flood
zone
that
we've
identified
great
thanks,
Brandon.
That's
it.
AD
Thanks
just
a
couple
of
follow-up
questions
and
thanks
Bob,
you
actually
knocked
one
off
off
of
the
list,
so
not
going
to
ask
about
the
timeline
one
of
the
things
that
I
heard
in
the
comment
and
thank
you
to
everybody
who
showed
up
and
stayed
late
with
us
to
come
in
was
around
the
accumulation
of
trash
and-
and
you
know
other
things
and
I'm
wondering
if
you
could
just
speak
a
little
bit
to
that
of
you
know
the
work.
AI
Yeah
yeah,
so
I
I,
don't
remember.
AI
The
I
may
have
missed
that
comment
from
the
speaker,
but
in
general,
in
the
master
plan
that
we
looked
at
last
year
with
Council,
one
of
the
six
themes
was
increased
maintenance
and
we
heard
that
from
the
community
that
was
already
on
on
our
staff
teams
radar
that
we
needed
to
do
enhancements
and
we're
bringing
forward
a
budget
proposal
this
year
to
add
staff
to
our
maintenance
team
and
so
we're
looking
at
that
and
and
want
to
improve
the
the
rate
that
we
cycle
through
the
system
and
and
do
maintenance.
AI
AJ
Sure
I
didn't
hear
the
exact
public
comment
that
you're
referring
to,
but
we
have
maintenance
Crews
a
difficult
issue
about
this
Goose
Creek
reach
six
behind
Edgewood
is
we
don't
have
consistent
easements
currently
as
a
city,
so
we
have
helped
some
of
the
neighbors
do
maintenance
in
their
backyard,
where
we
do
have
easements
and
that's
debris.
Removal
trash
cleanup
that
doesn't
significantly
impro
increase
the
capacity
just
that
routine
maintenance,
but
it
does
help
remove
debris
blockages,
and
things
like
that.
AJ
So
we
did
see
a
lot
of
debris
come
down
even
recently
this
weekend
with
the
rain
that
we've
received.
So
we
do
our
best
in
the
areas
that
we
do
have
access
to
it's
very
difficult.
So
one
of
the
trees
that
fell
down
in
a
neighbor's
backyard
along
this
reach,
we
had
no
way
to
access
it
from
either
side,
so
we
actually
had
to
Crane
it
over
power
lines
from
the
Edgewood
Street.
So
it
just
speaks
to
the
importance
of
having
that
consistent,
continuous
system.
M
I
Thank
you,
Aaron.
A
persistent
theme
of
the
comments
tonight
has
been
the
lack
of
Community
engagement
Joe.
Could
you
speak
to
that
because
I
think
there's
a
difference
between
engagement
prior
to
moving
forward
and
engagement
in
the
concept
context
of
we've
already
decided
on
our
path.
Now,
let's
engage
with
the
community
to
see
how
we
can
make
it
prep.
I
You
know
perhaps
a
little
better
at
the
margins
and
looking
at
the
step
memo,
it
appears
that
they've
been
four
opportunities
for
engagement
since
January
of
2021,
which
garnered
less
than
100
responses
in
total,
so
I'm
I'm,
trying
to
understand
how
we
can
represent
that
we
have
had
robust
Community
engagement
to
this
point
and
I've
been
wondering
if
you
could
speak
to
that.
AI
AI
So
so
that's
definitely
a
factor
from
and
for
me,
my
role
changed
in
the
middle
of
all
of
this
and
so
I'm
looking
at
what's
been
done
historically
and
as
I'm
talking
to
the
staff
team
to
bring
this
forward
and
wanting
to
vet
it
and
make
sure
it's
ready,
I
I'm,
looking
at
it
and
seeing
how
it
compares
to
other
things
that
we've
done
and
it
seems
like
a
similar
level
of
Engagement
and
while
the
numbers
of
of
respondents
to
surveys
or
participation
in
events
can
seem
really
low.
AI
That's
honestly,
fairly
typical
for
utilities
projects
we
as
much
as
we
try.
We
don't
generate
a
lot
of
interest
in
the
work
that
we
do,
and
sometimes
we
get
to
a
point
like
this
in
the
project
or
a
plan,
and-
and
there
becomes
interests
like
we've
had
tonight
so
I
I
understand
the
concerns
of
the
community
and
I
know.
AI
AI
Think
part
of
the
initial
part
of
your
question
also
goes
to
what
comes
next
and
there
absolutely
would
be
an
opportunity
to
work
with
not
just
the
reach
six
community
members,
but
everybody
that
would
be
involved
in
the
projects
that
come
out
of
this
plan
to
work
with
property
owners
and
make
sure,
as
we
develop
the
more
detailed
design
that
were
addressing
the
concerns
to
the
extent
we
can
and
and
really
all
of
this
boils
down
to
a
value
judgment
and
often
for
these
flood
projects.
AI
There
are
competing
interests
and
really
important
competing
values,
and
it's
it's
not
possible
to
to
have
a
perfect
solution
that
addresses
all
of
them,
but
we
do
our
best
to
find
a
reasonable
compromise
and
really
do
want
to
partner
with
the
community
to
do
that.
So
that
would
be
Our
intention
going
forward.
I
Joe
I,
you
know,
I
read
the
same
table
that
was
included
in
the
in
the
memo
and
the
bulk
of
the
community
engagement
responses
occurred
around
2017
and
18,
so
I'm
I
I'm,
suggesting
that
the
100
responses
we've
gotten
in
the
last
couple
of
years,
doesn't
really
represent
a
very
robust
engagement.
I
sympathize
with
the
difficulties
of
doing
so
a
because
of
the
intrinsic
lack
of
sexiness
of
talking
about
utilities
projects,
but.
I
You
know
three
weeks
ago,
four
weeks
ago,
that
to
me
is
not
a
very
good
situation
for
us
to
be
in
and
to
me
it
doesn't
represent
the
kind
of
Engagement
I
would
really
like
to
see
and
and
when
you
work
with
the
community,
assuming
we
we
authorize
this
tonight
when
you
work
with
the
community.
Does
that
entail
the
possibility
of
changing
the
actual
design
or
we're
just
talking
about
I'll?
You
know:
I'll
move
this
over
two
feet:
that's
over
two
feet:
I'll
leave
this
tree
and
I'm
gonna
cut
that
tree
instead.
I
Does
it
get
to
anything
more
fundamental,
such
as
a
substantial
alteration
to
the
reach
six
program?
If
that
should
be,
what
people
are
desirous
of
yeah
so.
AI
AI
I
understand
and
I
I
think
some
of
the
feedback
we're
getting
tonight
is
is
placed
in
a
way
as
if
we
were
at
the
final
design
stage
now
and
I.
AI
I
do
appreciate
that
and
accept
the
challenge
to
do
better
going
forward,
but
in
this
mitigation
plan,
as
we
mentioned
several
times
tonight,
we're
looking
at
over
30
different
Alternatives
in
a
large
scale
area
and
trying
to
narrow
that
down,
based
on
technical
feasibility
and
the
general
level
of
community
engagement
that
we
do
for
this
stage
of
of
a
plan
and
a
project,
and
so
in
terms
of
how
engagement
will
impact
the
design
going
forward.
AI
Taking
reach
six,
for
example,
that's
adjacent
to
Edgewood.
Is
there
a
likelihood
that
that
will
get
moved
to
Glenwood
or
Iris
of
a
street
further
to
the
north?
That's
highly
unlikely,
but
the
types
of
other
modifications
that
you
mentioned
like?
Can
this
tree
be
saved?
Or
can
you
move
something
two
feet
this
way
or
that
way?
AI
Those
are
the
types
of
discussions
that
we've
generally
had
like
on
the
examples
I
gave
of
the
main
sewer
projects
and
others
like
this-
that
we
have
done,
and
we've
been
able
to
work
with
the
property
owners
to
find
a
compromise.
So
I'm
not
sure
if
that
answers
your
question,
but
those
are
my
thoughts.
No.
I
I
AI
I
I
would
say
that's
somewhat
true.
Some
of
the
public
comment
mentioned
that
a
hundred
trees
would
be
removed
or
a
number
of
trees.
I
from
my
discussions
with
Brandon
and
the
team
I
don't
know
that
we're
at
a
stage
yet
where
we
know
that,
for
example,
so
the
the
specifics
of
the
the
design
and
what
the
channel
exactly
would
look
like,
and
there
are
options
on
on
how
to
make
it
wider
or
narrower
I.
AI
B
E
B
AI
B
You
I
got
one,
then
I
got
Tara
and
Rachel,
so
one
of
the
people
speaking
mentioned
10
years
of
construction,
and
if
you
can
just
clarify
in
on
a
per
reach
basis
like
when
you're
doing
one
one
reach
about
how
long
would
construction
take
within
I
mean
reach.
Six
is
obviously
the
one
of
concern
for
tonight.
So
we'll
use
that
one
about
how
long
might
it
take
from
beginning
to
end
of
construction
right.
AJ
M
AH
AJ
Yeah,
so
there
are
definitely
some
narrow
reaches
back
there
and
I.
Think
that
creates
a
very
difficult
engineering
challenge.
So
we
do
recognize
that
and
it's
a
matter
of
where
that
additional
conveyance
capacity
would
come
from.
So
that's
where
we'd
actually
have
to
see
where
that
channel
location
would
make
the
most
sense
and
also
working
with
the
property
owners
who
would
be
impacted
by
that
channel
alignment.
AJ
B
N
Okay,
so
obviously
we've
heard
a
lot
about
you
know
some
people
receive
no
notice
or
or
minimum
note
minimal
notice.
I
will
say,
like
I
always
got
noticed
from
the
city.
When
my
house
has
been
impacted,
so
I'm
wondering
did
we
brick
or
what
are
we
going
to
do
differently
going
forward
to
make
sure
that
impacted
community
members
get
notice.
AI
My
impression
is
that
is
not
the
case
and
and
definitely
don't
want
to
put
the
team
on
the
spot
here
tonight.
I
I
believe
we
use
the
traditional
tools
to
to
let
people
know,
as
I
said
in
my
own
experience,
that
it's
it's
easy
to
miss
things.
So
we'll
definitely
review
that
as
a
team
and
if
we
did,
if
we
did
have
a
miss
or
do
less
than
we
should
have,
we
will
let
people
know
and
we
will
do
better
in
the
future.
AI
Yeah
for
well
for
this
for
reach
number
six
I
think
it
was
mentioned
that
Joanna
kind
of
LED,
some
walking
tours
in
the
last
couple
weeks
that
Brandon
was
part
of
and
I
I
know
we
have
an
email
list
for
this
group
of
community
members
and
so
for
the
people
who
are
really
interested
that
just
the
direct
communication
from
us
would
typically
happen
in
the
next
phase.
So
if,
if
the
concept
plan
is
approved
tonight,
we
will
know
generally
what
the
routes
are
and
and
be
talking
directly
to
people
going
forward
and.
AJ
So,
typically,
if
we
move
forward
with
the
plan
tonight,
we
would
Outreach
to
the
people
that
would
be
directly
impacted
by
Construction
in
the
next
phase
So.
Currently,
that
would
be
scheduled
to
be
this
Goose
Creek
reach
six
section,
so
that
would
be
the
community
and
neighborhood.
We
would
be
working
most
directly
with
through
the
design
phase,
because
we
wouldn't
design
each
of
the
improvements
all
at
once.
AJ
We
would
do
it
kind
of
in
that
order,
based
on
the
prioritization
criteria
and
when
we
have
the
available
budget
and
I
do
just
want
to
mention.
It's
been
a
long
engagement
period
and
we
are
Engineers,
so
we
are
doing
our
best
and
we
do
have
Consultants
that
help
us
with
that.
AJ
But
we've
really
identified
this
as
a
need
within
the
utility
and
we're
actively
hiring
a
Communications
position
just
to
support
our
utility
wholly
I
think
we
have
a
a
different
challenge
where
we
do
have
a
lot
of
impacts
to
people's
properties,
a
lot
of
above
grade
utility.
So
it's
really
important
that
we
do
do
our
best
job
to
engage
people
make
sure
they
know
what's
going
on,
and
this
has
been
a
long
run
and
we
we
recognize
that
as
a
need
for
the
utility
as
well
and.
N
That
was
a
good
segue,
maybe
into
my
next
question.
You
said
like
you
would
you
would
do
engagement
with
impacted
community
members
and
then
you
sort
of
got
an
answer.
My
question
is:
what
is
an
impacted
Community
member,
because
I
was
pretty
impacted
on
another
flood
mitigation
project,
but
I
was
not
an
adjacent
neighbor.
So
how
will
those
folks
get
reached
out
to
that
kind
of
attached
to
me?
AJ
Yeah
I
guess
I
I
can
speak
to.
We
do
have
an
email
listserv
that
anybody
can
sign
up
for
so
when
things
change
or
things
are
going
on
it.
Like
the
meeting
tonight,
we
do
send
out
email
notifications
about
milestones
in
the
project
upcoming
engagement
opportunities
to
reach
us.
We
have
contact
information
on
the
web
page.
AJ
We
also
have
project
information
on
the
web
page
and
then,
typically
with
these
processes,
we'll
start
off
the
design
with
a
community
meeting
just
to
let
everybody
know
what's
going
on,
let
them
know
how
best
to
engage
where
they
can
find
designs.
What
we're
thinking
for
that
process.
So
that's
typically
how
we
normally
run
these
projects
within
the
utility.
One.
N
Of
the
Columbine
students
who
call
themselves
an
earth,
Guardian
talked
about
people
who
living
who
live
in
trailers
being
hit
hardest,
and
so
I
I
guess
I
just
want
to
understand
like
how.
Well
they
hear
about
it,
because
they're
not
going
to
look
at
the
website.
They're
not
going
to
probably
have
a
lot
of
people
will
not
have
watched
this
meeting.
And
so
you
know,
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
folks
here
are
getting
the
emails
and
also
other
people
are
getting
the
emails.
N
AI
Yeah
so
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
we
learned
during
the
master
plan
process
when
we
did
some
of
that
Outreach
and
we
used
our
community
connectors,
was
that
there
were
people
who
were
being
left
out
and
and
groups
of
community
members
who
were
being
left
out
of
our
Outreach
and
so
whether
it's
this
project
plan
or
the
projects
that
come
from
it
or
or
just
our
CIP
in
general,
I
think
taking
what
we
learned
in
that
Master
Plan
process
and
making
sure
that
we're
doing
the
Outreach
in
a
more
comprehensive
and
Equitable
way
would
be
Our
intention
going
forward
and
using
the
resources
of
the
city
to
to
help
us
reach
all
parts
of
the
community.
AI
N
AI
AI
N
If,
if
we
had
done
engagement
differently
and
and
perhaps
more
to
people's
liking,
would
would
engineering
options
have
changed
like
could?
Might
we
have
something
different
on
the
table?
Had
we
done
different
Outreach.
AI
That's
really
not
the
case
here
as
I've
talked
about
it
and
looked
it
over
myself
with
the
project
team.
It
really
boils
down
to
one
alternative
and
and
the
concept
that
we're
bringing
forward,
and
unfortunately
the
area
that's
of
the
most
concern,
the
Topography
of
the
region
and
just
where
the
natural
Creek
and
where
the
water
wants
to
flow
it
reached
it.
We
can't
avoid
reach
six
if
we
do
enhanced
flood
protection.
Okay,.
N
N
Last
question:
when
you,
when
you
go
in
to
do
the
widening,
is
there
a
way
to
you
know,
do
it
in
in
pieces
within
the
different
reaches
that
are,
you
know
allowing
you
know,
maybe
some
of
the
equipment
to
get
in
or
or
something
differently
that
you
can
start
trees,
regrowing
quicker,
because
I
hear
a
lot
of
concern
about
the
trees.
N
Might
I've
looked
at
cottonwood
trees
for
my
own
yard
and
been
advised
against
them
because
they
grow
so
fast,
like
they're
they're
five
feet
a
year
or
something
like
that,
so
those
could
in
theory
like
in
two
years.
If
you
can
get
something
in
and
I,
don't
know
changed
equipment
you
could
have
trees
regrowing
before
the
Project's
even
completed.
AI
And
in
several
roles
ago,
at
the
city,
I
used
to
do
some
of
this
project
management.
Work
myself
and
I
do
know
that
there
are
techniques
that
can
be
used
to
Stage
construction
and
do
different
things
to
minimize
impacts
and
so
I'm
I'm
sure
the
techniques
have
involved,
evolved
and
Brandon
and
the
team
that's
doing.
The
work
now
could
probably
run
circles
around
the
20
Joe
20
years
ago,
but
certainly
we
would
be
looking
at
those
types
of
things
where
there
is
a
really
important
environmental
feature
that
we
want
to
save.
AG
Thank
you
sort
of
early
in
your
presentation
you
mentioned
having
to
meet
a
lot
of
federal
requirements
because
of
wetlands,
and
things
like
that.
So
what
kind
of
environmental
impact
studies
would
have
to
be
done
as
this
moves
forward.
AJ
Yeah
so
number
one
is
Wetlands
mapping,
there's
also
migratory
bird
act
and
there's
an
ecological
surveys.
You
have
to
do
in
advance,
so
some
of
the
species
that
have
been
mentioned
tonight.
We
would
need
to
look
for
those
prior
to
any
construction
and
also
make
sure
there's
no
nesting
and
things
like
that,
so
it
all
falls
under
the
Army
Corps
of
Engineers
and
they
consult
with
the
other
Federal
Regulatory
Agencies.
AJ
But
if
you
do
find
species
of
concern,
they'll
typically
give
you
a
mitigation
criteria,
so
I
always
use
there's
Preble,
Meadows,
jumping
mouse
is
a
pretty
common
threatened
specie
in
the
county
and
there's
specific
types
of
construction
activities.
You
do
in
specific
type
times
of
the
year
to
mitigate
your
impacts
to
species
like
that.
So,
depending
on
what
the
species
is,
they
can
give
you
those
recommendations.
AG
AJ
AG
You
kind
of
following
up
on
Rachel's
questions
around
notification,
and
you
mentioned
notifying
people
who
would
be
affected
by
construction,
but
could
we
send
the
mailer
out
to
people
who
are
in
the
flood?
You
know
in
the
hundred
year
flood
zone
for
that
section,
okay
and
that's
part
of
it,
and
then
you
know
specifically,
as
we
look
at
this
section,
six
or
I'm
sorry
reach
six.
AG
AI
We
we
could
certainly
do
updates
at
different
levels
of
design.
South
Boulder
Creek
is,
is
a
little
bit
different
situation
because
of
Cu
South
and
the
annexation
and
and
and
there's
just
a
whole
comprehensive
set
of
stuff.
There
that's
way
deeper
so
for
reach
number
six
I
I,
don't
know
that
we
would
have
as
many
options
as
something
as
comprehensive
as
the
whole
South
Boulder
Creek
and
CU
South
situation,
but
we
could
certainly
do
design
check-ins
or
that
kind
of
thing.
Whenever
Council
wanted
at
whatever
levels.
AG
Seems
like
with
the
they
can
see
that
this
is
a
challenging
section
with
sort
of
the
Steep,
Hillside
and
I
believe.
Having
done
some
work
in
those
areas
that
that
Hillside
soil
tends
to
be
fairly
unstable,
being
right
up
against
lots
that
aren't
particularly
deep
where
mitigation
or
widening
of
the
creek
is
going
to
have
a
larger
impact.
AG
So,
like
the
locate,
the
the
precise
location
of
that
channel
will
have
a
big
impact
on
the
people
involved
and
there
might
be
different
things
that
we're
weighing
back
and
forth
with
exactly
where
that
channel
gets
located.
And
if
there
are
options.
I
think
it
might
be
worth
bringing
that
back
to
council.
G
Need
to
find
that
unmute
button
didn't
I,
appreciate
that
thanks
for
yeah,
just
thanks
for
the
feedback,
we've
gotten
from
community
and
appreciate
the
presentation
on
this.
Well,
you
know
an
interesting
theme
is
this
sort
of
having
it
both
ways
in
a
good
way
right,
which
is?
Can
we
have
proper
flood
protection
while
at
the
same
time
maintaining
sort
of
quality,
Wildlife
environments?
G
And
yet
yes,
I,
am
and
I
think
that's
exactly
what
we
should
do
and
I
think
it's
within
the
context
that
you
know
we
are
choosing
just
a
concept
here
from
which
we
will
further
Define
the
details
around
it.
And
you
know
this
isn't
really
an
interpretive
or
subjective
exercise.
This
is
objective
and
it's
really
predicated
on
Sound,
Engineering
and
I.
G
You
know
Ren
Gavin
and
no
I
mean
they
did
a
master
class
on
linking
public
comments
thematically
between
themselves
and
told
us
about
the
future
generations
and
the
impacts
of
climate
change
will
have
in
making
these
flood
events
more
severe
and
I.
Think
we
have
to
build
that
resilient
community
and
that
impacts
all
of
us
in
the
now.
G
But
there
has
to
I
hope,
there's
comfort
in
knowing
that
that'll
build
more
resiliency
going
forward
and,
and
so
I
would
just
ask
of
staff
that,
as
we
Embark,
we
really
work
closely
with
these
neighbors
and
do
what
we
do
in
a
community
that
values
the
environment,
which
is
leverage
those
natural
landscapes.
As
we
deal
with
defining
that
detail
in
the
project
going
forward.
AD
Yeah
thanks
and
thanks
thanks
Matt,
for
your
comments,
thanks
thanks
to
everybody
involved,
especially
those
of
you
who
came
out
tonight
and
who
have
been
kind
of
talking
with
us
over
the
last
few
weeks.
AD
AD
So
what
we
can
do
is
try
to
help
it
pass
through
our
community
in
the
least
destructive
way
possible
and
I'll
vote
Yes.
With
that
goal
in
mind
and
I
know,
that's
not
what
all
of
you
edgewater's
in
the
audience
really
wanted
to
hear.
As
Dave
mentioned,
this
project
is
just
about
to
move
into
the
design
phase,
which
means
that
it's
still
a
concept
that
hasn't
been
fully
detailed
and
defined.
There
will
be
a
lot
of
opportunity
for
engagement
on
the
design,
including
some
one-on-one
discussions
with
affected
property
owners
and
staff
and
I.
AD
My
neighborhood
also
had
to
wrestle
with
these
competing
values
of
safety
for
people
outside
our
neighborhood
enjoy
in
our
own
neighborhood,
but
once
the
concept
was
in
place,
we
had
a
lot
of
discussions
around
the
design
of
that
site
before
it
was
finalized
and
because
of
those
discussions,
the
final
design
did
change
in
ways
that
significantly
benefited
our
community.
They
took
our
concerns
into
consideration
and
tried
to
help
us
maintain
some
of
that
joy
that
we
were
looking
for
in
that
area.
AD
I
know
it
won't
be
the
same
as
it
is
now,
but
I
really
hope
that
you
will
partner
with
us
and
with
staff
on
staff.
I
hope
you'll
continue
to
partner
with
the
community,
especially
more
as
we
get
into
this
design
stage,
and
hopefully
the
end
result
will
create
another
magical
space
that
you
and
future
residents
can
enjoy,
and
while
it
won't
feel
good
for
a
while,
I
know
this,
it
doesn't
feel
good
to
those
of
us
living
next
to
CU
South
either.
AD
Hopefully,
in
time
it
will
be
even
more
magical,
knowing
that
you
can
enjoy
the
area,
while
many
others
outside
of
your
neighborhood
are
safe
and
just
for
for
us
to
think
about
for
moving
forward.
Since
it's
the
not
not
going
to
be
the
first
hard
discussion,
we're
going
to
have
like
this
I'd
really
love
for
future
councils
to
get
some
feedback.
B
I
I
want
to
start
with
a
couple
of
premises.
Obviously,
flood
mitigation
is
required.
I,
don't
think,
there's
any
significant
dispute
over
that.
We
can
have
conversations
about
the
extent
of
it,
but
it
is
required.
Something
has
to
happen,
but
to
use
Rachel's
term
I
I
do
think
we
bricked
our
community
engagement
responsibilities
in
this
case
and
committing
to
the
community
that
we
will
talk
to
you
after
we've
made
the
decision
as
to
how
to
proceed
is
sort
of
in
the
verdict.
I
First,
then,
the
trial
category
of
of
operation
I
would
love
to
support
this,
as
is
I,
actually
have
quite
a
bit
of
faith
that
Joe
and
his
team
have
come
up
with
the.
I
What
I
think
will
be
the
best
possible
solution,
but
I
think
it's
our
responsibility
to
take
that
argument
to
the
community
before
we
make
that
decision
and
despite
the
the
difficulties
in
conducting
public
engagement
or
getting
people's
attention,
that's
our
job
and
not
doing
that
and
and
simply
saying
well,
you
know
we'll
have
good
conversations
with
you
afterwards
really
doesn't
make
the
grade
for
me.
So
I
think,
first
of
all
that
we
should
be
re-engaging
with
the
community
and
having
this
discussion.
I
Frankly
before
we
make
this
decision
and
and
if
obviously,
as
I,
receive
the
will
of
counsel
we're
going
to
make
a
decision
tonight,
I'm
going
to
be
a
reluctant
voter
against
on
those
grounds
not
because
I'm
against
the
the
flood
mitigation
or
even
potentially,
this
concept
for
providing
flood
mitigation.
But
I,
don't
think.
We've
taken
the
proper
steps
with
the
community
and
if
we
don't
think
of
a
public
engagement
as
as
just
some
sort
of
show
that
we
put
on,
we
need
to
take
it
seriously.
I
B
Thanks,
smart
all
right,
I'm,
going
to
call
on
myself
I
appreciate
the.
B
Of
my
colleagues,
I
mean
it's
a
tough
situation.
There's
there's
no
question
about
it
to
the
folks
who
are
here
tonight.
I
appreciate
your
testimony,
and
this
is
a
about
trade-offs
right
in
terms
of
we
need
flood
mitigation
like
this
in
our
community.
B
We
know
that
we're
the
highest
flood
risk
in
in
the
state
of
Colorado
and
the
floods
are
only
going
to
get
worse
as
time
goes
on,
and
so
projects
like
this
are
required
in
order
to
make
us
the
resilient
community
that
will
thrive
in
the
future,
but
there
will
be
short-term
impacts
that
are
going
to
be
painful
and
that's
not
avoidable,
but
it
is
mitigatable
and,
and
so
I
think
I
think
we
need
to
move
this
forward,
but
to
do
so
and
the
most
collaborative
way
possible
that
does
minimize
the
negative
impacts
to
the
current
Creek
as
possible.
B
So
to
that
point,
I
would
like
to
say
that,
hopefully
we
can
do
the
Floral
Drive
alternative,
so
I'd
like
to
give
some
pretty
clear,
Direction,
hopefully
from
Council,
because
I
heard
from
you
that
it's
probably
technically
doable
and
so
I'm,
hoping
that
a
motion
tonight
could
include
direction
to
pursue
that
that
approach,
because,
while
changes
to
reach
six
will
still
be
necessary,
I
think
they
would
be
somewhat
lessened
right.
B
So
there
would
be
the
need
to
move
less
water
through
that
area,
and
so
therefore
I
think
the
impacts
to
that
area
would
be
lesser,
and
a
couple
of
updates
to
council
I
think
would
be
helpful.
B
So
we
can
keep
an
eye
on
the
process
as
well,
but
I
want
to
call
out
the
testimony
of
arietta
Roth
from
before
I
think
Ms
Roth
has
has
left
the
meeting,
but
she
had
some
excellent
points
that
I
think
were
already
headed
in
this
direction,
but
I
wanted
to
call
them
out
because
I
thought
they
were
really
well
put.
B
Z
AH
One
of
the
we
I
know
that
I
read
the
letters,
and
so
there
was
a
lot
of
them,
so
I
apologize
if
I
couldn't
write
back
to
every
single
person,
but
I
did
want
to
wait
to
hear
what
everybody
had
to
say.
One
of
the
letters
said:
if
this
happened
to
you,
you
wouldn't
want
it.
I,
don't
know
if
that
person
is
here,
but
I
do
know
that
I
have
a
small
backyard
and
my
backyard
sits
on
which
one
is
it
Joe
the
Blue
Bell
my
next
door
neighbors
flooded
during
the
2013.
AH
So
if
I
lost
from
right
now,
let's
say
the
creek
is
five
feet
wide.
If
it
went
to
30
feet,
that
will
probably
have
be
half
my
backyard
and
I
and
there's
a
lot
of
cottonwoods
there.
Of
course,
so
I
totally
understand
what
you're
saying
so,
but
I
also
know
we
need
flood
mitigation.
We
just
do
need
it.
So
what
I'm
going
to
ask
is
even
an
extra
foot
or
two
when
you're
is
Meaningful
when
you're
losing
a
lot
of
your
backyard.
AH
I
think
would
be
worth
it.
So
I'm
going
to
ask
if
you
could,
if
you
need
to
slow
down
the
design
and
take
your
time
to
figure
out
a
way
for
people
to
to
lose
less
of
their
backyard,
then
I
think
that
it
would
be
worth
it
and
that's
what
I
have
to
say.
Thanks.
K
I'll
talk
about
the
substance,
I
agree
with
with
what
my
colleagues
have
said.
As
far
as
obviously
using
natural
design.
K
Now,
you
guys
were
already
planning
to
do
that,
and
and
I've
seen
like
Judy
I
served
in
the
mile
high
flood
District
board
for
a
year
and
I've
seen
a
lot
of
projects
up
and
down
the
Front
Range,
where,
where
that's
really
been
first
and
foremost,
that
that,
while
there's
and
sometimes
a
need
to
disrupt
the
environment
or
to
disrupt
the
channel,
to
do
that
in
such
a
way
that
it
gets
back
to
the
Natural
State
as
quickly
as
possible.
I
know
you
guys
are
already
thinking
about
that.
K
I
agree
with
Aaron
that
the
Floral
Drive
option
sounds
like
it's
better
and
if
you
guys
are
relatively
agnostic
about
that,
and
it
has
fewer
impacts
on
reach
six
and
that's
certainly
something
we
should
pursue.
I
agree
with
your
offer
of
maybe
checking
in
with
us
and
with
the
community
on
a
more
formal
basis.
At
times
you
think
are
appropriate.
K
I
do
want
to
reflect
a
little
bit
on
on
as
Community
engagement
question,
because
this
seems
to
be
one
of
the
big
issues.
You
know
it
breaks
my
heart,
and
this
has
happened
so
many
times
on
so
many
different
projects,
nothing
to
do
with
even
necessary
Public
Works.
We
have
so
many
different
things
that
we
as
a
city
are
needing
to
do
for
the
community.
Good
and
a
group
of
people
come
forward
and
say
well
hold
on
a
second
here.
I
just
found
out
about
this.
K
V
K
You,
know
social
media
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
and
so
I
don't
want
to
lay
blame
on
any
one
side
or
the
other,
because
I
know
the
staff
tries
really
really
really
really
hard
on
each
one
of
these
Community
impacting
projects
to
reach
as
many
community
members
as
possible,
and
we
have
committee
members
to
say
I,
never
heard
and
they're,
both
right
right,
some
community
members
just
simply
didn't
hear
and
and
staff
did
try
and
and
I
like
to
think
that
each
one
of
these
situations,
where
we
have
that
tension,
we
have
some
tonight.
K
We
learn
from
that
process
and
we
get
better
again
not
to
be
critical
of
Staff.
But
I
hope.
We
learned
some
things
from
this.
That
would
cause
us
to
figure
out
how
on
the
next
project,
the
next
project
and,
quite
frankly,
even
later
on
in
this
project.
Since
we
still
a
lot
of
community
engagement
ahead
of
us
that
we
figure
out
better
ways
to
engage
with
the
community,
people
have
busy
lives,
and
sometimes
they
don't
always
are
aware
of.
K
What's
going
on
and
conversely,
sometimes
we
just
miss,
as
we
just
said,
we
break
it.
Sometimes
we
we
just
miss
opportunities
to
engage
so
I
hope
that
that
we
will
I'm
not
sure
the
outcome
would
have
been
any
different.
In
other
words,
if
if
we
were
to
decide
tonight,
oh
let's
just
wait
six
months
and
you
guys
say:
well,
okay,
fine!
So
then
we
come
back.
You
know
in
November.
My
guess
is
from
an
injuring
standpoint.
Your
answer
is
still
going
to
be
the
same
right.
K
We
could
probably
have
more
conversations,
but
if
we
waited
on
this
and
didn't
move
forward
with
allowing
you
to
to
work
on
the
design
phase,
my
guess
is
your
engineering
answer.
Your
technical
answer
is
not
going
to
be
a
different
six
months
from
now,
regardless
of
how
much
Community
engagement
you
had.
K
K
Again,
not
not
a
criticism
of
of
either
the
either
the
the
the
people
delivering
the
message
of
the
people
receiving
the
message
which,
obviously,
if
people
didn't
hear
the
burden
is
on
the
communicator,
not
not
the
recipient.
If
someone
genuinely
didn't
hear,
then
they
didn't
hear
and
shame
on
us
the
collective
us
for
not
reaching
out
to
somebody
so
I
guess
I,
hope.
There's
a
lesson
learned
here
for
future
projects
and
for
this
project
and
I
know
I
know
we
have
a
lot
of
work
ahead
of
us
over
the
next
couple.
K
Two
three
years
on
design
and
we're
gonna
have
a
lot
of
opportunity
for
Community
engagement,
we're
gonna,
get
better
and
better
at
it.
So
I
do
want
to
thank
the
community
members
who
came
out
and
shared
their
views.
I.
Think
if
your
Hope
was
your
Hope
was
gosh,
you
know,
don't
touch
reach
six
I
think
that's
not
going
to
happen
because
we
do
have
some
greater
good
to
achieve
here.
K
But
if
your
Hope
was
to
signal
to
the
city
staff,
that
engagement
could
be
better,
I
think
I
think
you
did
a
really
good
job
of
that
tonight
and
and
I
think
other
community
members
Downstream,
don't
know
pun
intended
we'll
we'll
thank
you
for
for
those
those
improvements
that
you
suggested.
So
that's
all
I
have
thanks.
N
Thanks
and
I
also
thank
the
community
members
who
are
out
here
and
I.
You
know,
I'm
sure
that
you
can
probably
read
the
tea,
leaves
a
little
bit
that
my
reading
is
that
there's
going
to
be
a
majority
of
council
that
votes
yesterday
and
I
want
to
just
invite
you
as
someone
who
did
long-term
engagement
on
a
topic
exactly
like
this,
that
it's
it
does
bring
your
neighborhood
together,
and
it
is
something
that,
if
you
engage
on
as
Nicole
said,
you
can
shape
the
outcomes
in
ways
that
that
are
meaningful.
N
So
I
also
want
to
say
with
that
in
mind
that
it
will
be
this
Council.
That's
making
the
decision
tonight
and
I
hope
that
any
anger
will
come
at
us
and
not
staff,
because
they
will
just
be
doing
what
we're
asking
them
to
do,
and
sometimes
community
members
get
very
mad
at
the
decision
and
take
it
out
on
the
staffers
who
are
working
on
the
project
so
that
that
doesn't
move
any
of
us
forward
and
I
would
just
really
invite
people
to
direct
anger.
N
Our
way,
I'm
a
little
bit
concerned
about
mayor
brockett's
motion,
request
to
limit
to
Floral
drive,
because
this
is
a
life
Safety
project
and
if
Floral
Drive
means
that
we
can,
you
know
we
have
to
lose
I,
don't
know
25
years
of
flood
protection
for
people
who
might
die
in
a
hundred
year,
flood
I'm.
Not
for
that,
so
I
would
be
okay.
N
With
the
motion
that
says
you
know
preferentially,
you
know
something
like
you
know:
Floral
Drive
or
something
like
it,
that
minimizes
impacts
to
neighbors
and
for
but
the
one
thing
I
disagree
with
a
little
bit
that
was
said
tonight
by
my
colleagues
is
someone
said
our
number
one
job
is
engagement
and
and
I
will
say
again,
I
think
we.
N
It
sounds
like
we
bricked
on
this,
but
I
think
our
number
one
job
is
Public
Safety,
and
this
is
about
safety
and
protecting
people
from
from
dying
in
the
next
flood,
which
is
coming
so
I
will
not
be
supporting
delay
and-
and
that
probably
surprises,
no
one
I-
understand
feelings
that
are
not
happy
right
now,
but
with
that
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
make
a
motion
to
approve,
let's
see,
approve
the
upper
goose
and
Two
Mile
Canyon
Creek
ugt
flood
mitigation
plan
with
a
preference
if
it
is
equally
as
good
a
flood
protection
for
floral
the
Floral
Drive
option.
B
B
That
was
exactly
what
I
wanted
to
do
not
to
require
it
so
appreciate
your
comments
on
that.
Do
we
have
a
second
got,
a
motion
and
a
second
I
think
the
motioner
and
the
seconder
have
already
spoken
to
the
question.
Does
anyone
else
have
additional
comments
before
we
go
to
a
vote?
B
B
Thanks
everyone
for
your
engagement
on
the
topic
and
do
rest
assured
that
City
staff
will
be
doing
significant
Outreach
and
engagement
during
the
next
phases.
B
K
Yeah
thanks
for
that
Aaron
I
was
gonna,
suggest
the
same
thing.
We
do
have
a
I
think
we
have
one
item
left
and
it
is
a
public
hearing,
so
I
hate,
I'm,
I'm
I'm,
loathe
to
postpone
the
public
hearing,
because
we've
got
staff
here
and
we've
got
at
least
one
person
signed
up
to
speak,
and
maybe
the
applicants
here
as
well
so
can
I
make
a
suggestion
to
my
colleagues
that
we
go
ahead
and
hear
hopefully
Marcia
brief.
K
Brief
staff
presentation
open
the
public
hearing,
I
hear
the
testimony
that
might
be
offered
but
then
and
then
adjourn
for
the
night.
I
think
Aaron.
If
I
understand
correctly,
we
have
actually
30
days
in
which
to
make
a
decision
after
a
public
hearing.
Is
that
correct.
K
AE
K
Suggestion
to
my
colleagues
would
be:
let's
do
the
public
hearing
and
then
let's
adjourn
for
the
night,
because
it's
kind
of
late
and
then
we'll
leave
to
CAC
to
schedule
the
actual
deliberation
about.
If
that's,
okay,
it.
B
Sounds
good
to
me,
I
think
when
we
get
there
we'll
need
a
formal
motion,
but
as
a
direction,
I
think
that
sounds
good
or
people
feel
like
that's
pretty
good
for
all
right,
I'm
generally,
seeing
nodding
heads
all
right.
Well,
let's
do
the
what
I'm
sure
will
be
a
fascinating
presentation.
We
can
allow
I
believe
the
applicant
is
here.
We
can
hear
some
words
from
them.
Do
the
public
hearing
and
then
maybe
have
a
motion
to
continue.
I.
C
Please
do
thank
you
all
right.
Our
next
item,
5B
under
public
hearings,
is
the
consideration
of
a
motion
to
approve
a
landmark
alteration
certificate
to
rehabilitate
and
add
on
to
building
L
the
former
nurse's
dormitory
at
the
Academy
of
Mapleton
Hill
at
2543
4th
Street.
This
is
previously
addressed:
311
Mapleton
Avenue,
a
pending
individual
Landmark
per
sections,
9-11-18
of
the
voter
Revised
Code.
It's
referenced
under
his
2023-00018.
AY
AY
Tonight's
hearing
is
a
quasi-judicial
hearing
and
so
I'll
go
through
the
process.
It'll
begin
with
council
members,
noting
any
ex
parte
contacts
followed
by
a
staff
presentation,
then
the
applicant
has
a
chance
to
present,
and
then
the
public
hearing
is
open
for
public
comment.
Council
may
ask
questions
after
each
one
of
those.
After
the
final
person
from
the
public
has
spoken,
the
applicant
has
a
chance
to
respond
to
anything
that
was
said.
AY
B
I'm,
not
seeing
any
well
I'll
elbow
Rachel
Martin
when
they
come
back
in
to
make
sure
that
they
have
negative
response
as
well.
B
AY
The
criteria
is
that
the
proposed
work
preserves,
enhances
or
restores
and
does
not
damage
the
exterior
architectural
features
of
the
property
that
it
is
not
adversely
affect
the
historic
or
architectural
value,
and
that
the
architecture
arrangement
in
color
is
compatible
with
the
character
and
that
economic
feasibility,
incorporation
of
energy,
efficient
design
and
enhanced
access
for
the
disabled
is
considered
in
your
decision.
AY
AY
AY
This
Lac
application
was
submitted
in
February
of
earlier
this
year,
and
the
committee
referred
it
to
the
landmarks
board
for
review
on
April
12th.
The
board
conditionally
approved
the
application
in
a
unanimous
vote
and
on
May
4th
Council
voted
to
call
up
the
application
which
brings
us
here
this
evening.
AY
The
property
has
a
very
fascinating
history,
which
I
will
just
summarize
this
evening
in
a
few
sentences,
which
is
that
it
was
the
home
of
two
institutions
that
really
shaped
Boulder,
the
first
being
the
Boulder
Colorado
sanitarium,
which
has
ties
to
the
sanitarium
that
JH
catalog
Kellogg
ran
in
Battle
Creek
Michigan.
This
sanitarium
ran
through
the
1950s
at
its
Heyday.
It
had
its
own
food
production,
a
nurse's
school
and
about
30
buildings
total.
AY
Today
there
are
five
structures
that
remain
from
the
sanitarium's
history
and
each
of
these
structures
is
proposed
for
landmark,
designation
and
are
pending.
Tonight's
discussion,
though,
is
focused
on
the
nurse's
dormitory,
which
was
constructed
in
1931
and
designed
by
the
reading
and
Sun's
architectural
firm,
who
also
designed
the
Boulderado
and
the
uni
Hill
Elementary
School.
AY
So
the
proposed
work
has
four
main
components,
beginning
with
the
restoration
of
the
building,
including
Windows
cornice
masonry,
removal
of
an
elevator
tower
that
was
added
onto
the
East
facade
and
removing
the
exterior
exit
stairs
on
the
North
and
South
elevations.
AY
So
going
to
the
site
plan
you
can
see.
Changes
to
the
footprint
include
removing
the
stair
tower
that
was
added
onto
the
front
of
the
building
and
construction
of
a
new
star
and
elevator
tower
on
the
west
side
and
then
balconies
and
patios
on
the
North
and
South
ends
of
the
building
going
to
the
East
Elevation.
The
stair
Tower
to
be
removed
is
there
in
the
center
and
those
openings
will
be
restored.
AY
AY
This
is
where
the
new
stair
and
elevator
Tower
would
be
as
well
as
modification
to
Window
and
Door
openings
and
then
finally,
going
to
the
north
elevation,
which
is
the
side
that
the
building
is
approached
from,
also
includes
removal
of
the
non-historic,
stair
and
construction
of
the
balcony,
as
well
as
Window
and
Door
modifications.
AY
On
to
the
staff
analysis,
looking
at
the
criteria
for
review,
as
well
as
as
the
design
guidelines,
we
found
that
the
restoration
is
aligned,
aligns
and
is
encouraged
by
the
general
design
guidelines
and
will
restore
the
building
to
its
original
appearance,
as
documented
by
historic
photographs,
and
we
are
fortunate
enough
to
have
the
original
plans.
One
of
the
conditions
of
approval
that
the
landmarks
board
made
in
their
motion
was
to
catalog
the
condition
of
these
different
elements
for
the
window
and
door
openings.
AY
This
is
primarily
where
the
board's
discussion
was
and
staff's
recommendation
of
the
appropriateness
of
Window
and
Door
modifications
based
on
the
prominence
of
each
elevation.
So
the
addition
of
new
openings
on
the
west
or
the
rear
are
appropriate
new
window
openings
and
modifications
of
existing
openings
on
the
East
and
North
are
not
appropriate.
AY
So
the
conditions
of
approval
are
to
revise
the
proposal
to
eliminate
the
proposed
new
window,
openings
on
the
East
Elevation
and
the
uppermost
opening
of
the
north
elevation,
because
those
are
the
most
visually
prominent
and
then
to
revise
the
design
to
maintain
the
historic
window.
Openings
on
the
North
and
East
elevations.
AY
AY
They
are
clearly
of
their
own
time
and,
however,
the
mass
and
scale
of
the
Contemporary
style
distracts
from
the
overall
character,
and
so
the
conditions
were
to
modify
the
design
language
to
lighten
it
up
a
little
bit
still
keep
them
in
set
from
the
masonry
walls
and
then
redesign
the
balconies
to
minimize
their
visual
impact,
including
analysis
from
public
rights
way,
including
public
trails
and
then.
Finally,
there
were
a
few
detailed
conditions,
including
revising
the
location
of
the
retaining
wall,
to
be
outside
of
the
conservation
area
shown
in
the
recorded
development
agreement.
AY
There's
a
very
small
portion
of
the
retaining
wall
that
intersects
with
the
conservation
piece
and
well,
that's
not
directly
a
historic
preservation
piece.
We
wanted
to
ensure
a
smooth
process,
as
this
then
goes
into
development
review,
and
then
there
are
final
details
about
the
retaining
wall,
drainage,
trees,
Etc
and
so
with
that
staff
and
the
landmarks
board
recommend
that
city
council
approve
the
application
with
conditions.
AY
The
main
question
in
front
of
you
all
for
the
discussion
is:
does
the
project
meet
the
standards
for
issuance
of
a
Lac?
If
yes
approve
the
application,
it
would
then
go
to
the
committee
level
to
work
out
the
final
details,
if
no
deny
the
application
and
I
have
the
criteria
for
review
if
you'd
like
to
reference
those
or
the
conditions,
and
with
that
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have
Mercy
was.
B
Very
edifying
and
so
questions
from
RC
keeping
in
mind
that
we
can.
If
we
continue,
we
can
ask
follow-up
questions
when
we
come
back
to
it.
Any
questions
tonight,
Lord.
AG
So
with
the
recommendation
around
revisions,
so
that
the
new
additions
are
more
in
line
with
the
architectural
character,
who
would
that
come
back
to
us
for
final
approval,
or
does
that
just
go
to
the
landmarks
board?
It.
E
AG
E
AZ
Thank
you.
The
development
team
is
headed
by
Michael,
Bosman,
Gary,
Berg
and
Gary
is
here
this
evening
to
help
answer
any
questions
you
may
have
Mike
mulhern
of
the
mulhern
group
is
the
architect
and
I
mentioned
that
our
experience,
because
of
that
not
only
has
it
been
National
but
also
locally.
Here
you
see
images
of
the
other
Academy
on
University
Hill,
and
we
worked
with
Gary
Berg
on
that
some
years
ago
with
the
city
and
of
course,
that
now
is
a
is
a
wonderful
asset
to
the
community
that
we're
all
very
pleased
with.
AZ
We
are
asking
that
you
approve
the
project
as
submitted,
and
that
is
almost
as
the
landmark
sport
approved,
but
we
would
ask
that
you
reconsider
a
couple
of
the
items
that
they
denied
and
I
will
go
into
that
in
a
little
bit
more
detail
here.
Next
slide,
please
I
wanna
from
that
National
perspective
or
sorry.
AZ
Yeah
from
the
national
perspective,
I
want
to
point
out
that
sometimes
we
lose
sight
of
what
preservation
really
means
and
we
tighten
up
too
much
and
get
too
restrictive.
It
really
means
hitting
on
three
of
these
very
important
points.
One
keeping
a
building
at
active
use,
two
making
alterations
that
are
compatible
in
order
to
keep
it
functional
and
three.
Preserving
those
key
features
that
do
Define
its
historic
significance,
but
that
does
not
exclude
appropriate
alterations
next
slide.
Please
I
do
want
to
reiterate
that
the
restoration
aspects
that
staff
mentioned
are
extensive
and
expensive.
It's
going.
Y
AZ
And
so
adding
windows
to
the
north
elevation,
which
we
really
believe
is
a
tertiary
or
a
back
of
house
wall
of
this
building
should
be
reconsidered.
You
see
the
cut
the
quality
of
the
wall
on
the
left
hand,
side
here
and
the
rendering
shows
the
additional
Windows.
These
will
enhance
the
livability
of
these
spaces
enormously
and
they're
very
important.
For
that
reason,
now
part
of
the
question
here
is
the
rating
of
this
facade.
AZ
The
design
guidelines
have
criteria
for
determining
whether
a
facade
is
primary,
secondary
or
tertiary,
and
therefore
indicates
how
rigorous
the
city
should
be
in
applying
its
guidelines.
The
criteria
are
the
degree
of
visibility
from
a
public
way
and
the
extent
of
character-defining
features
that
are
important
to
that
elevation.
You
can
see
this
is
a
very
modest
wall,
basically
built
its
backup
house
and
I'll.
Show
you
a
little
bit
more
about
that
next
slide.
Please
and
historically,
the
north
wall,
which
is
pointed
out
here
by
the
arrow,
was
looking
into
basically
undeveloped
land.
AZ
It
was
not
visible
from
a
street
or
a
major
public
way
at
this
point,
even
the
trail,
that
was
a
internal
trail
to
the
facility
next
slide.
Please,
looking
at
the
original
architect's
plans,
we'll
see
that
this
area
was
very
functional.
It
was
back
of
house
if
you're
going
to
go
to
the
next
slide,
we're
zooming
in
on
that,
and
you
can
see
that
the
spaces
here
were
a
trunk
room,
a
kitchenette
and
a
laundry
and
a
back
door
leading
out
to
that
undeveloped
area.
AZ
Now
this
is
important
in
terms
of
considering
how
significant
is
that
facade
and
how
susceptible
is
it
to
alterations
if
we
didn't
go
to
the
next
slide,
I
wanted
to
write
your
attention
now
to
the
East
wall
coming
around
the
corner
from
that
north
wall.
There
is
a
related
issue,
because
those
spaces
were
a
a
kitchen
and
a
laundry
area.
The
windows
were
higher.
They
were
at
four
foot
two
elevation,
the
Sills
they
weren't
needed
to
be
operated
operable
by
senior
residents
the
rest
of
this
elevation.
AZ
The
windows
sit
on
a
sill,
a
ledger
of
projecting
brick
line,
whereas
those
windows
at
the
right
hand,
most
portion
of
the
building
are
much
higher.
Now
that
is
going
to
impact
the
quality
of
life
for
residents
in
that
area,
in
terms
of
being
able
to
operate
them
or
even
be
able
to
sit
and
look
outside.
AZ
So
that's
a
if
you
go
to
the
next
slide.
You
will
see
the
existing
windowsill
height
is
four
feet.
Two
inches
and
a
variety
of
standards
and
guidelines
for
accessibility
and
for
senior
living
recommend
still
Heights
much
lower
than
that.
The
recommendation
would
lower
those
windows
to
match
those
on
the
rest
of
the
facade,
which
is
in
keeping
with
the
character
of
the
building
and
yet
enhancing
the
functionality
of
that
part
of
the
building.
AZ
Next
slide,
please,
the
staff
did
reference
that
the
Architects
are
all
already
working
on
refining
some
of
the
aspects
that
we
got
direction
from
the
landmarks
board.
The
upper
right
was
the
one
that
submitted
to
the
landmarks
board.
The
lower
left
is,
one
still
needs
work,
but
you
can
see
lightening
up
the
impacts
and
and
making
the
the
balconies
more
transparent
so
that
you
could
see
through
to
the
rest
of
the
of
the
building.
AZ
So
that
is
the
steps
that
they
that
the
team
will
be
going
through
in
terms
of
of
refining
the
designs
for
the
balconies
still
helping
to
distinguish
them
as
new,
not
fake
historic
ornamentation
on
them
a
contemporary
design,
but
in
keeping
with
the
character
of
the
building
at
the
next
slide.
You'll
see
some
of
the
Precedence
that
we're
studying.
AZ
The
original
architect
strongly
showed
that
this
was
always
intended
to
be
attacked
next
slide.
Please,
and
so
the
objectives
here
are
to
continue
to
refine
the
structure,
to
make
it
thinner
and
lighter
and
even
more
transparent,
so
that
it
sits
lightly
on
the
on
the
roof
of
the
that
two-story
wing.
The
next
slide
shows
some
examples
of
the
kinds
of
Precedence
that
we're
looking
at
of
how
to
balance
transparency
and
functionality
and
the
lightness
of
the
structure
with
the
with
the
degree
of
of
glass.
AZ
That's
needed
there
we're
looking
forward
to
Great
discussions
working
with
the
design,
Review
Committee
in
terms
of
coming
up
with
refinements
to
those
to
those
Concepts
next
slide.
Please
so
I've
highlighted
a
couple
of
the
points
that
we
would
really
ask
that
you
reconsider
in
the
spirit
of
the
Adaptive
use
of
this
building,
in
particular
of
the
special
population
that
it
needs
to
serve
and
recognizing
that
this
building's
been
vacant
now
for
a
long
time,
and
we
want
to
get
it
back
into
Service
as
quickly
as
possible.
AZ
I
believe
this
project
does
hit
on
all
three
of
those
aspects
of
historic
preservation.
It
will
keep
a
building
and
active
use.
It
will
have
a
con,
it
will
accommodate
compatible
alterations
and
it
will
preserve
the
key
features
and
characteristics
of
the
structure.
Then.
Finally,
as
staff
mentioned,
it
I
wanted
to.
If
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
please
the
last
slide
I
did
want
to
mention.
We
all
love
the
Boulderado,
and
we
would
certainly
consider
that
it
retains
its
historic
significance,
even
though
it
has
undergone
several
alterations
throughout
its
history.
AZ
You'll
notice,
here
that
a
brick
entry
on
the
south
side
was
removed,
that,
of
course,
who
have
all
died
and
the
porch
that
was
added
in
front
on
the
first
floor
and
we've
all
enjoyed
the
second
floor
balcony
that
was
subsequently
enclosed
with
glass.
These
are
all
alterations
in
keeping
with
the
spirit
of
this
building
and
we're
asking
to
do
something
similar
with
the
nurses
quarters.
Thanks
very
much.
B
Thank
you
nor
I,
appreciate
that,
and
so
just
a
quick
thought
for
you
see
if
you
might
send
us
an
email.
It
sounds
like
we're,
probably
going
to
continue
the
hearing,
but
with
maybe
a
summary
of
those
comments
that
probably
help
us
as
we
come
to
a
final
decision
to.
K
Just
a
quick
question
all
right
this
that
was
very
helpful
presentation
and
I
look
forward
to
having
a
copy
in
front
of
us
as
well.
This
is
a
little
bit
off
the
point
on
the
Lac,
but
I
was
just
kind
of
curious.
How
many
housing
units
does
the
developer
hope
to
put
in
there.
AZ
E
B
Of
getting
it
on
the
microphone
any
other
questions
right,
seeing
none,
let's
go
to
the
public
hearing
and
we
have
one
person
signed
up
so
Lynn
SQL.
You
get
three
minutes
to
speak
to
us.
T
Z
No
putting
seniors
in
the
line
of
fire
on
the
wild
fire,
Urban
and
Wildlife
Urban
inner
folks
is
unwise.
The
whole
of
the
Mapleton
project
should
not
have
been
built
to
start
with
Michael
bosma
bulldozed,
one
of
the
landmark
cat,
Cottages
he'll
say
it
wasn't
him.
It
was
someone
that
some
Rogue
person
that
broke
in
and
and
drove
a
bulldozer
like
how
many
people
can
drive
a
bulldozer
if
they're
not
working
on
the
property.
You
know
I
find
his
story
very
and
sustainable
or
unbelievable.
Z
There
was
a
fire
also
on
the
property
on
a
trailer
of
his
that's
putting
me
at
risk.
I
live
about
four
blocks
from
this
place.
Let's
see
I
say
less
is
more
particularly
on
the
wooy.
The
wildlife
Urban
interface
do
not
give
this
project
any
subsidies.
If
they,
if
they
have
certain
rights,
there's
nothing
I
can
do
to
stop
them,
but
I'm
certainly
would
not
approve
an
Lac.
Z
Also.
This
is
super
high-end
housing
40,
some
thousand
dollars
a
month
for
one
of
their
places
that
you
can
live
in
there
plus
something
like.
Let's
see
about
five
million
dollars
you
put
down,
and
then
you
get
85
percent
of
it
back
when
you
die.
Z
This
is
a
big
money
making
Enterprise
in
this
area
in,
in
my
immediate
neighborhood
and
I
in
no
way
supported
it's
going
to
drive
up
my
or
already
my
property
taxes
went
up
445
000
from
900
000
to
1.35
in
my
place
here,
I,
don't
consider
my
home,
my
cash
cow
I
consider
my
home
a
place
where
I
lived
and
my
homeowners.
Z
Well,
my
taxes
I
mean
my
property
taxes.
Just
went
up
from
six
thousand
to
nine
thousand.
Z
This
311
Mapleton
project
is
going
to
harm
me
directly
and
I,
don't
in
any
way
approve
of
anything
to
do
with
it
yeah,
and
why
would
anyone
put
seniors
in
the
line
of
fire?
It
threatens
me
there's
one
way
out
and
I'm
not
going
to
be
able
to
get
out
of
my
own
neighborhood
when
the
fire
comes
and
the
other
day
I
tried
to
get
homeowners
insurance,
because
my
homeowner's
insurance
went
up
from
1500
a
year,
1600
a
year
to
3
500..
Z
B
K
Yeah
I
move
that
we
continue
this
public
hearing
to
a
date
set
by
C.A,
Siebert
and
no
event
later
than
June
15th.
I
B
Motion
a
second
all
in
favor,
we'll
show
of
hands:
okay,
that's
unanimous!
So
the
hearing
is
continued
and
we'll
send
it
to
CAC
to
schedule
it
for
a
future
business
meeting
no
later
than
June
15th
thanks
to
the
applicant
for
your
time
tonight
and
we'll
come
back
to
you
before
too
long
all
right.
That
brings
us
to
the
end
of
our
agenda.