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From YouTube: City of Boulder City Council Study Session 11-27-18
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C
But
I
did
want
to
kick
it
off
briefly,
with
providing
some
context
stage,
setting
a
background
and
then
we're
gonna
dive,
deep
into
a
lot
of
numbers
presented
by
Robin,
Moore,
who's
of
George
Kay
bomb
and
the
presentation
for
her
sexual
take
about
20
to
25
minutes
and
then
an
opportunity
for
council
discussion
and
questions,
and
then
we're
going
to
switch
gears
and
look
into
the
district
formation
and
governance
led
by
David
here
and
then
again
an
opportunity
for
questions
and
discussion.
After
that
presentation.
C
D
C
E
A
The
one
thing,
I
guess,
just
by
way
of
context,
I
think
tonight
we're
gonna
try
to
give
guidance
on
options
for
how
we
want
to
fund
the
system.
So,
regardless
of
what
mechanism
people
like
understanding,
the
finances
is
I,
think
it's
gonna
be
key
to
whatever
we
end
up
deciding
and
I
had
anyhow
right.
C
Great,
so
the
goal
of
the
presentation
again
coming
out
of
the
July
study
session
when
we
presented
the
master
plan
had
two
main
frameworks
that
we
were
working
on.
One
was
to
conduct
a
detailed
financial
analysis
that
presented
a
balanced,
impartial
analysis
of
the
funding
options
outlined
in
the
master
plan,
which
is
where
the
consultants
George
Kay
bomb
came
in
again.
C
A
lot
of
detail
in
this
we're
like
in
three
different
service
levels
that
were
analyzed
over
eight
scenarios
presented
and
in
two
different
governance
structures
and
their
policy
decisions
related
to
each
of
the
governance
structures.
That
Robin
will
be
sure
to
point
out
as
we
go
along
the
different
scenarios
and
then
they'll
also
be
more
information
on
the
library
district
governance
structure
that
will
be
presented
by
David.
C
Just
as
a
reminder
on
the
2019
budget
were
added
additions
to
the
library
budget
that
met
one
of
the
key
service
levels
within
the
library
master
plan.
So
just
under
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
was
allocated
to
the
library
budget
in
the
2019
budget
and
then
again,
George
K
Baum
was
hired
to
conduct
a
financial
analysis
in
October.
C
So
I'm
not
going
to
dwell
on
reading
those
to
you,
but
you
can
certainly
review
as
we
go
throughout
the
presentation
about
what
each
service
level
provides
again
a
little
background,
the
three
service
levels,
the
first
one
was
maintained,
and
this
was
primary
goal
just
like
it
says,
to
maintain
service
levels,
and
this
is
what
was
adopted
then
2019
budget
to
achieve
the
maintain
service
levels.
So
we
reinstated
proposed
reductions.
We
added
some
operating
and
maintenance
budget
and
then
also
added
some
funding
for
studies,
including
the
main
library,
North
Building.
C
Examples
include
the
North,
Boulder
branch
library
and
associated
operating
costs
and
staffing,
expanding
youth
programs
and
increasing
materials
budget
and
then
the
finalists
final
service
level
that
we
talked
about
is
expansion,
and
this
is
really
our
vision
statement
and
includes
a
Gunbarrel
corner
library
and
associated
operating
and
staff
costs,
and
it
could
also
include
Canyon
theater
activation
pilot
program
again.
The
details
of
each
of
these.
These
are
just
examples
are
provided
in
the
additional
handout
three-page
that
you
have
so
before
I
jump
over
to
Robins
presentation.
C
I
do
want
to
kind
of
highlight
this
pie
chart
as
an
illustration
of
what
we're
really
talking
about
tonight.
So
oftentimes
when
I
come
before
you
and
we
talk
about
budget.
We
just
talk
about
what
the
direct
cost
of
any
service
area
is.
So
that's
the
blue
chart
here
and
that's
your
what
you
think
of
is
your
library
approved
budget,
which
is
just
under
ten
million
dollars
at
nine
point:
seven
million.
What
we're
gonna
be
talking
about
tonight.
A
lot
is
the
true
cost
of
a
library
system.
C
So
what
we
mean
by
that
is
when
we
include
what
we
call
as
cost
allocation,
but
those
overhead
costs
that
it
would
take
if
you
were
a
separate
business
to
run
a
library
you're
your
legal
services,
your
HR,
your
finance
support.
We
want
to
be
sure
when
we
talk
about
operating
a
true
cost
of
a
library
that
we
include
those
and
then
we
also
have
included
in
there
as
it
cost
for
running
service.
C
D
A
F
Be
joining
us,
can
you
hear
me
he's
driving
up
from
Blow
and
he's
the
mastermind
behind
all
the
numbers,
so
I'm
going
to
walk
through
these
I
want
to
be
respectful
of
your
time.
Please
feel
free
to
ask
me
to
give
you
more
detail
or
less
detail
and
we'll
move
it
along.
So
the
purpose
of
our
analysis
was
several
fold
one
is
we
looked
at
all
of
the
costs
that
it
takes
to
operate
the
library?
F
So,
as
Katie
mentioned,
we
looked
at
the
capital,
cost
the
operating
cost
and
then
the
cost
allocation
or
the
indirect
cost.
What
we
also
did
was
identified
some
of
the
main
assumptions
that
we
had
to
make
to
prepare
this
analysis
and
multi
through
some
of
those
and
then
at
the
end,
we're
gonna
walk
you
through
several
sustainable
funding
scenarios.
So
what
is
the
tax
implication
or
how
much
revenue
do
you
need
to
generate
to
provide
for
a
sustainable
library?
F
F
So
to
start
with,
on
the
key
assumptions
on
the
service
cost,
so
we
have
operating
costs
that
include
personnel
and
non
personnel,
recurring
costs
and
we
inflated
these
at
different
levels.
We
also
have
cost
allocation,
and
what's
important
here,
is
that,
right
now
your
28
team
budget
is
already
set.
So
we
assume
in
our
analysis,
that
cost
allocation
or
the
internal
services
that
Katie
was
referring
to
begins
in
2019,
and
we
use
2018
numbers
for
that.
F
We
tried
to
match
almost
exactly
what
the
city
is
already
doing.
Your
budget
projections
on
the
capital
outlay
slide.
Let's
pause
here
for
a
second,
because
these
numbers
are
important
when
we
start
looking
at
what's
included
in
what
it
costs
to
run
the
library
so
that
capital
and
maintenance
backlog
is
the
first
bullet
point
there.
F
We
averaged
about
six
hundred
and
seventy
thousand
from
2019
to
2033
that
North
Boulder
branch
library,
there's
five
million
of
construction
costs
that
start
in
2019
and
they
go
to
2023,
and
then
we
have
another
1.7
million
of
development
cost
in
2020
2020
for
we've
got
a
few
major
expenses
in
the
analysis,
and
you
can
see
those
in
the
next
bullet
points.
The
major
library
renovations
we
have
about
2.5
million
in
2024
and
then
5
million
in
2029,
and
then
the
materials
handling,
handling
machine
and
replacement.
F
We've
got
1.3
million
in
2024
in
the
master
plan
service
expansion
scenario,
we've
got
four
hundred
and
sixty
eight
thousand
and
2024
for
the
gun,
barrel
corner
library
and
then
only
in
the
library
district,
expanded
boundary
scenario.
Do
we
have
an
additional
corner
library?
That's
four
hundred,
eighty
six
thousand
that
we
factor
in
in
twenty
twenty
four
for
the
growth
rates
that
we
assumed
and
again
these
match
the
city's
budget
model
so
for
property
tax
growth.
We
looked
at
five
percent
in
that
tax
years:
twenty
twenty
and
twenty
to
twenty
twenty
two
yep.
H
A
F
D
I
D
C
So
it's
only
for
an
expanded
district
which
we'll
get
into
what
the
expanded
district
scenario
means.
But
we
presume
that
if
you
expand
your
district
beyond
city
limits
beyond
the
valley,
comp
plan
limits
that
there
would
be
a
need
for
potential
additional
services.
Again.
All
part
of
the
assumptions
that
we
needed
to
make
during
the
presentation.
F
Heading
back
to
the
growth
rates
that
we
use,
so
we
had
growth
in
property
tax
at
five
percent
in
the
tax
years
and
then
four
percent
and
reassessment
year
for
the
sales
and
use
tax.
We
did
not
inflate
those
as
high
that's
more
volatile
of
a
sac
of
us
of
attacks,
so
we
have
2%
after
2025
and
then
backing
up
from
19
to
2024.
We
lined
it
with
the
city's
budget,
so
that's
1%
up
to
1
in
1.75
percent
and
again
the
expenses
match
the
city's
growth
assumptions
personnel.
F
We
grew
at
3%
annually
and
then
non-personnel
in
capital
at
1%.
In
that
last
section
there,
the
fund
balance
so
the
way
the
city
right
now
has
the
library
as
a
department.
It
does
not
require
the
library
to
set
aside
its
own
fund
balance,
so
we
assumed
going
forward
in
the
municipal
library
scenario
and
in
the
district
scenario
that
the
library
budget
would
now
have
its
own
targeted
goal
of
a
20%
fund
balance.
So
we
grew
that
over
time
with
the
target
of
20%.
F
When
we
get
to
the
library
district
scenarios,
we
have
three
different
boundaries
that
we
looked
at.
One
is
the
city
of
Boulder,
so
it
mimics
what
you
have
right
now.
Two
is
a
Boulder
Valley,
comprehensive
payment
plan
or
the
city
of
Boulder
planning
area,
and
then
the
third
is
the
expanded
boundary
and
that
picks
up
the
library's
patron
base
and
the
last
bullet
point
there.
Those
voting
precincts
with
in
Boulder
County
that
include
portions
of
nahuatl
in
the
mountain
communities,
and
that's
where
we
pick
up
those
additional
libraries
as
well.
F
2020
has
some
additional
capital
outlay
items,
which
is
why
it's
a
little
bit
higher.
But
this
just
gives
you
a
visual
depiction
of
how
the
library
funding
would
occur
over
the
years
and
when
we
started
talking
about
tax
and
revenue
requirements,
we
smooth
that
out
to
make
sure
that
in
all
these
years
you
can
raise
sufficient
revenue
to
cover
all
the
expenses.
F
The
next
slide
is
the
gap
that
we
just
refer
to
and
the
municipal
library
scenarios
and
funding
this
gap,
and
so
the
gap
again
refers
to
the
expenses
for
the
library
that
is
in
2020
as
compared
to
2019,
and
this
does
not
include
the
three
point.
Three
eight
million
cost
allocation
that
we
talked
about
before.
So
we
take
that
out
of
the
analysis,
and
so
we
have
all
different.
We
are
the
three
service
levels,
but
let's
just
look
at
the
first
one.
The
maintain
service
level
and
the
total
unfunded
in
2020
is
that
gap.
J
F
F
So
you
can
see
in
the
first
column,
there's
that
one
point
four
six
million
that
we
just
referred
to
and
then,
if
you
follow
the
column
down,
you'll,
see
the
tax
impact
of
that
of
funding
that
gap.
So
the
one
point,
four
six
million,
if
you're
looking
at
it
in
property
tax
mills,
its
point,
three,
seven,
nine
mills
and
if
you
want
to
look
at
it,
just
as
a
sales
tax,
its
point
zero,
three
nine
percent
I'm.
It
question.
K
F
Are
those
are
actually
not
cumulative
and-
and
it
seems
like
it
might
be,
because
in
2024
it
jumps
up.
So
what's
important
to
note
there
is
that
there's
those
capital
outlay
items
that
we
had
referred
to
and
the
some
prior
slides
you've
got
1.3
million
for
the
materials
handling
in
2.5
million
for
major
library
renovations.
So
that's
what
jumps
out
that
number
in
2024
thanks
and
so
again,
each
year
so
2022,
for
example,
that's
the
difference
between
2022
versus
2019,
so
the
that's!
That's
where
that
gap
is
and
same
footnote
at
the
bottom.
F
Moving
along
in
the
analysis,
we're
gonna
start
talking
about
the
municipal
library
as
compared
to
the
library
district.
So
these
next
couple
of
slides
just
give
a
depiction
of
the
service
areas
and
the
options
that
are
available
there
for
the
library
district.
In
the
key
point
on
the
east
couple
of
slides
is
that,
as
you
grow
the
district
boundaries,
you
have
more
Theory,
you
have
more
taxpayers
that
you
can
spread
the
cost
out
to
so
you'll
see
in
this
analysis.
F
L
F
This
slide
here,
these
numbers
might
look
familiar
to
you.
These
are
the
library
service
area
assessed
values,
so
those
columns
in
gray
are
the
three
different
geographic
areas
that
we
talked
about:
the
city
of
Boulder,
the
Boulder,
Valley,
comprehensive
plant
service
area
and
the
expanded
service
area,
and
then
the
white
columns
in
between
are
the
incremental
difference.
So
we
use
these
assessed
valuation
numbers
to
determine
the
tax
impact
would
I
look
at
at
the
bottom.
D
You're,
assuming
all
the
people,
all
the
houses,
are
property
owners
and
not
renters,
and
we
have
about
52%
proper
renters.
So
you
didn't
take
that
into
a.
F
K
D
F
This
first
slide
here
and
you
can
see
it
from
the
header
funds,
the
gap,
so
the
average
gap
between
22
years
2020
to
2024
and
again
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
in
all
of
these
years,
the
taxes
that
we're
talking
about
would
cover
or
the
revenue
would
cover
all
of
those
needs.
So
we
average
them
out.
The
first
scenario
that
we
looked
at
has
no
tax
increase
and
that's
the
not
focus
again
on
the
maintain
service
levels.
F
The
second
scenario
also
assumes
no
tax
increase,
and
this
is
just
a
reallocation
of
existing
taxes
and
that's
the
equivalent
is
point
806
Mills
or
0.03
percent
sales
tax
and
again
I'm
sticking
with
a
maintain
service
level.
And
so,
if
you
expand
the
service
level
you're
going
to
trigger
a
charter
change
which
could
require
an
election.
If
you
go
much
higher
mm-hmm.
H
K
F
K
To
tick
and
tie
these
numbers
bear
with
me
on
page
21,
you
showed
us
the
doll
by
the
way,
it's
very
handy,
to
have
this
in
paper.
Thank
you
for
me
that
so,
for
example,
the
top
Roah
in
21,
which
is
maintained
service
dollar-cost.
K
A
To
put
this
in
perspective,
I
kind
of
know,
the
answer,
but
I
just
want
to
hear
it.
We've
been
sitting
on
a
large
gap
for
years.
Is
that
I
mean
and
now
we're
finally
having
a
conversation
about
it
or
how
I
mean
I
know,
we've
been
getting
by
with
less
for
a
long
time.
This
is
a
huge
gap,
so
I
guess
I'm.
Just
if
we
looked
backwards.
How
would
we
summarize
what
the
gap
has
been?
You
know
I
think.
C
One
of
the
biggest
takeaways
that
I
found
during
this
analysis
was
really
putting
in
perspective
the
maintenance
backlog
that
we
don't
talk
about
a
lot
when
we
quantify
it,
you
typically
it's
those
operational
direct
costs
that
we
know
about
which
is
a
lot
smaller
of
this
portion.
When
we
talk
about
it,
but
when
you
throw
in
the
maintenance
backlog
and
the
capital
outlay
assumptions
to
really
again
have
the
high
quality,
you
know
full
cost
of
a
library
service.
That's
what
really,
in
my
opinion,
jumped
up
the
cost
when
we're
looking
at
this.
A
C
We
but
needs
to
it
it's
just
finding
the
timing
and
available
funding
for
stuff,
like
the
bathroom
renovations
right.
Those
came
through
this
year,
but
it
could
have
been
a
need.
I
mean
I'd,
have
to
look
to
the
actual
library
folks
to
see
what
their
maintenance
and
backlog
is
roofing.
You
know,
we
know
that
it's
coming
up
or
that
we
have
outdated
or
we're
reaching
the
lifecycle
of
a
lot
of
items
and
the
buildings
already.
You
know
50-plus
years
and
that's
typically
past
a
lifecycle,
but
with
limited
building
opportunities
or
space
available.
D
G
C
M
B
That's
exactly
true
every
department
or
every
program
area
that
we
have
is
likely
in
this
very
same
position
in
the
past.
During
budget
times
we
will
bring
forward
the
facilities
and
asset
management
program,
and
we
show
over
time
that
our
backlog
of
maintenance
grows
and
grows.
We've
spent
in
different
years,
we've
decided
to
focus
money
in
different
areas
to
try
to
reduce
that
backlog,
but
it
grows
so
much
that
it's
really
hard
to
do,
and
so
we
we
make
decisions
about
delaying
roofing,
because
maybe
the
doesn't
need
it
right
right
now.
B
K
So
understand
how
much
of
this
is
the
capital
backlog?
It
looks
like
on
page
14.
You
have
an
assumption
that
said,
the
the
average
annual
capital
backlog
was
780
thousand
I
know
that's
an
average.
So
so
can
we
assume
that
at
least
under
scenario
number
one
that
3.3
million
about
780,000
is
allocated
to
that
backlog
and
that
would
actually
be
the
same
number
for
the
meet
community
demand
and
the
service
expansion
right?
K
C
C
J
Well
and
I
was
just
gonna,
make
a
quick
point
about
exactly
that
that,
like
that
that
2.5
million
in
2024
stood
out
to
me
because
I
think
Jane
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
traditionally
a
big
renovation
like
that
we
don't
fund
out
of
an
annual
budget
right.
We
find
subway
like
a
tax,
or
something
like
that,
so
this
would
be
like,
including
in
an
annual
budget
I'm.
B
That's
right:
in
2011,
our
voters
approved
the
capital
bond
issue
and
the
last
library,
renovation,
I
believe,
was
paid
out
of
that,
along
with
lots
of
other
capital
projects
in
the
city,
and
it
was
our
first
capital
project
sort
of
summary,
of
lots
of
things
that
needed
to
get
done
in
in
oh
well
over
a
decade,
maybe
two
decades
that
we
really
had
delayed
the
backlog.
And
we
just
put
forward
that
capital
bond.
A
M
Just
gonna
point
out
that
you
know
that's
exactly
right:
that
a
community
culture
and
safety
tax,
if
we
wanted
to
take
that
to
the
voters,
where
would
there's
a
specific
line
item,
it
could
be
funded
like
that
outside
of
what
we're
looking
at
here.
But
this
generally
is
gonna
roll
up
what
the
tax
burden
will
be
to
support
it.
M
However,
we
want
to
look
at
that,
whether
it's
you
know
kind
of
one-time
three-year
closed
ended
things
or
whether
it's
an
ongoing
I'd
like
to
thinking
about
it
in
this
way,
because
it
kind
of
gives
you
and
that
roll
up,
regardless
of
what
the
program
is.
But
I
agree
with
you
completely
that
you
would
say
we're
on
the
corner
library
in
Gunbarrel,
and
we
want
to
run
that
perhaps
as
a
voter
initiative
kind
of
deal
and.
J
C
What's
important
to
I'm,
just
keeping
the
back
of
your
mind
for
this
in
the
project
that
Robin
had
to
undertake
was
the
key
term
sustainable
funding
source
right,
not
kind
of
piecemealed,
and
so,
while
there
are
again
several
policy
decisions
that
you
can
make
throughout
the
night
of
like
where
you
want
to
fund
things
and
what
timing
like
this
is
just
an
overall
big
picture,
it's
sustainable!
You
don't
have
to
keep
going
back
out
to
voters
for
different
pieces
of
what
you
want
to
achieve.
So
just
in
the
back,
we.
F
The
last
slide
talked
about
scenarios
where
you
did
not
have
a
tax
increase,
so
the
next
slide
is
funding
all
of
the
direct
costs
of
the
library.
So
as
a
reminder-
and
if
you
can
think
back
to
the
pie
chart
that
Katie
started
off
with
that
was
the
nine
point.
Seven
million
of
direct
library
costs
so
did
not
include
the
indirect
cost
allocation
and
we
have
different
scenarios
here.
If
there's
obviously
a
lot
more,
you
could
because
you
can
combine
property
tax
and
sales
tax
and
lots
of
different
ways.
F
So
what
scenario
three
shows
the
sales
tax
only
and
again
I'll
stick
with
the
maintain
service
level
column.
That's
that
point
two
seven
five
percent
scenario:
four:
is
the
property
tax
only
meant
two
point:
six
two
mils
something
that's
important
to
note
on
all
of
these
scenarios.
They
do
require
a
vote
and
some
of
them
do
require
a
charter
change,
because
you're
increasing
your
mill
levy
and
then
under
five
and
six.
We
combined
different
sales,
tax
and
property
tax
scenarios.
F
So
you
can
see
under
five
we
tried
to
split
it
somewhat
equally
of
0.15
percent
of
the
sales
tax,
which
would
then
require
a
one
point:
one
six
mill
increase
for
property
tax
and
that
last
scenario
is
where
the
Milly
mill
levy
goes
to
the
cap,
but
doesn't
go
over
and
that's
the
one
point:
oh
one,
nine
mils
that
you
have
left
and
then
that
combines
with
the
0.17%
sales
tax.
So
that
again
as
a
reminder
that
gets
you
to
the
maintain
service
level.
Those.
M
So
one
person
who
wrote
us
pointed
out
that
he
was
actually
in
the
letter
that
we
received
from
the
library
commission
that
the
cost
allocation
was
left
out
of
this
right
and
so
the
way
I.
Think
of
that
cost
allocation
here
is
adding
one
mil,
because,
roughly
speaking,
the
the
valuation
in
the
city's
about
three
and
a
half
billion
dollars,
and
so
a
mil
on
that
is
three
and
a
half
million.
M
F
F
On
the
next
slide,
what
we
do
here
is
take
the
property
tax
increase.
So
if
you,
if
you
look
at
scenario
number
4,
which
is
the
property
tax
only
and
the
2.6
2
mils,
we
then
ask
the
question:
well
what
does
that
mean
for
a
homeowner
in
the
boulder
area?
So
that's
where
that
next
slide
comes
into
place
for
an
eight
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollar
home
and
again
this
excludes
the
0.333
mill
levy,
it's
one
hundred
and
sixty
dollars
per
year.
F
Again
this
is
the
maintain
service
level
column
that
first
column
on
a
1
million
dollar
home
it's
one
hundred
and
eighty
nine
dollars
a
year
and
for
commercial
property
owners.
This
is
on
market
value.
We
looked
at
1
million
dollar
market
value
property
and
that's
seven
hundred
and
sixty
dollars
per
year
in
the
next
scenarios,
we're
going
to
look
at
the
district,
so
moving
from
the
municipal
library
scenario
to
the
district
and
what
the
funding
options
are
and
what
the
taxes
would
need
to
be
for
sustainable
funding.
F
So
these
scenarios
here
we
have
the
three
different
geographic
areas
that
we
talked
about
before.
The
first
is
maintaining
that
city
of
Boulder
area,
so
essentially
it's
going
to
look
exactly
the
same
geographic
boundaries
that
you
have,
then
is
the
Boulder
Valley
Comprehensive
Plan
boundary,
and
then
the
third
is
the
expanded
and
you
can
see
the
mill
levy
requirement
drops
because
you
have
a
larger
geographic
area
and
a
larger
assessed
valuation.
F
The
notation
here
at
the
bottom
is
also
important.
The
first
point
is
that
the
0.333
mill
levy
for
the
library
fund
that
we
did
maintain
for
the
municipal
library
scenario.
For
these
we
assume
it
is
not
maintained.
So
the
when
you
form
a
district.
We
assume
that
the
library
would
not
have
that
access
to
that
point,
three
three
three
Mills
so.
J
K
Move
off
that
yet
quite
yet,
let
make
sure
I
follow
these
numbers.
So,
under
your
scenario,
number
four
property
tax
only
was
two
point.
Six
mils
that
did
not
include
that
is,
that
does
not
effectively
include
the
point
three
three
mil,
because
that's
a
incremental
to
that-
and
it
also
does
not
include
the
three
point.
Three,
eight
million
cost
allocation.
F
K
So
then,
you
said
well
geez
what
if
it
was
all
mils
right,
so
a
scenario
number
six,
the
same
people
right,
City
Boulder
poured
at
four
versus
six.
It
jumps
up
to
three
eight
five
and
the
reason
why
it
goes
from
two
point.
Six
that
three
point:
eight
five
is
you're,
including
the
effectively
you're,
including
the
three
three
three
you're,
also
including
the
mill
equivalent
of
three
point:
three
million
dollar
account
of
cost
allocation.
How
about
there's
a
sales
tax
component,
though
too?
Isn't
there
well.
F
K
And
remind
us
again
how
much
of
the
eight
point:
nine
million
is
his
sales
tax,
most
of
it,
so
the
city
would
have.
The
city
would
have
like
an
extra
seven
or
eight
million
dollars
in
sales
tax
that
they
wouldn't
have
to
expend
on
the
library
that
could
either
refund
to
the
taxpayers,
they're
lowering
the
tax
rate
or
by
giving
it
to
the
cops
or
something
like
that
right.
Yeah.
C
I'd
be
cautious
to
say
that
it's
all
sales
tax,
it's
general
fund
revenues
right,
which
is
comprised
of
sales,
tax
property
tax,
your
court,
fines
I
mean
a
whole
slew
of
things.
So
the
majority
of
the
library
budget
is
in
the
general
fund,
which
is
funded
by
sales,
tax
and
property
tax
and
then
a
smaller
portion,
roughly
a
million
or
so
is
in
that
point
three.
Three:
three
library
funds
and.
F
We
actually,
we
have
a
slide,
a
few
slides
down
from
now
of
what
that
number
would
look
like
if
you
moved
to
a
library
district,
what
the
available
funds
would
be,
and
then
one
other
point
here
all
of
the
backing
up
to
the
municipal
library
scenario
and
the
district
do
assume
that
20%
fund
balance,
so
that
does
remain
consistent
and
the
analysis
for
both
scenarios.
The
municipal
library
in
the
district
can.
M
I
make
one
more
comment
on
this
side.
The
other
thing
to
think
about
here.
If
you're
doing
you
know,
mental
math
is
that,
depending
on
the
decisions
that
we
might
make,
if
we
went
to
a
district
as
far
as
facilities
right,
whether
they
were
leased,
whether
they
were
sold,
whether
whatever
we
do
the
value
of
the
facilities,
is
that
point
six
mils?
Okay?
M
C
The
best
of
our
ability
that
we
know
right
now-
this
was
a
very
rough
assessment
internally
to
determine
what
the
property
value
would
be.
It's
also
important
to
know
that,
in
that
analysis,
that
was
done
by
staff.
There
is
no
included
North
Library
parcels,
because
it's
all
one
that's
connected
to
the
municipal
facility
and
so
to
break
that
out
was
difficult
to
ascertain,
but
I
mean
minimally.
It
would
be
0.6
knows
so.
M
C
N
M
K
N
D
D
B
Are
already
paid
for,
but
what
would
happen
for
Boulder
residents?
Is
they
as
part
of
the
district?
They
would
be
paying
for
them
again
so
twice,
but
they'd.
Also,
as
City
residents
be
receiving
the
payments
back
from
the
district.
That
would
redound
to
the
benefit
of
the
city
that
their
residents
of
and.
B
The
individuals
would
not
get
a
check,
the
city
would
get
a
check
and
as
shareholders,
so
to
speak
in
city
government.
It
would
essentially
redound
to
the
benefit
of
city
taxpayers,
because
the
city
would
use
those
dollars
either
to
invest
in
further
capital
or
to
spend
in
some
other
way
that
helps
the
residents
of
the
city
as
determined
by
the
City
Council.
D
J
J
Do
you
know
I
mean
we'll
talk
about
that
more
later,
I
think.
But
if
the
library
district
were
formed,
there
would
be
many
ways
that
the
assets
could
be
handled
between
the
city
and
library
district.
They
could
be
given,
they
could
be
sold,
they
could
be
kept
by
the
city,
they
they
could
be
rented
for
no
money.
They
could
be
rented
for
at
least
that
you
know
there
are
a
lot
of
options,
but.
A
F
So
what
we
did
from
the
last
slide
is
we
took
the
three
point:
eight
five
mils
of
the
property
tax
for
the
city
of
Boulder
boundaries
only
and
looked
at
the
tax
impact
on
the
same
values
that
we
talked
about
under
the
municipal
library
scenario,
so
for
a
3.85
mill,
property
tax
on
an
eight
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollar
home.
That's
two
hundred
and
thirty
six
dollars
a
year
and
on
a
1
million
dollar
home.
F
That's
two
hundred
and
seventy
seven
dollars
a
year
and
if
you
want
to
comparison
a
few
slides
back
under
the
municipal
library
scenarios,
so
that
236
compares
to
a
hundred
and
sixty
dollars
on
a
1
million
dollar
market
value,
commercial
property.
That's
the
nine
hundred
and
two
dollars:
I'm,
sorry
1117
to.
K
K
Point
nine,
so
so
on
the
surface
service
expansion-
and
this
is
without
the
the
debt
financing
that
we
earlier
points.
It's
assumed
that
we
just
gave
the
asset,
so
the
mill
at
the
service
expansion,
the
mill
levy,
would
increase
by
about
forty
or
forty-five
percent
from
what
it
is.
Now
we
be
bumping
that
the
property
owners,
property
taxes,
our
share
of
that
by
a
forty
or
forty-five
percent,
the
high
engine
yeah.
C
C
F
Then
we
take
this
same
analysis.
So
this
is
the
city
of
Boulder
boundaries
and
then
we
do
the
same
thing
for
the
other
two
service
areas.
So
the
three
point:
eight
five
Mills
then
gets
reduced
to
three
point:
two
nine
and
that
tax
impact
before
on
them.
Let's
just
look
at
the
million
dollar
home
was
two
hundred
and
thirty
two
hundred
and
seventy
seven
dollars.
F
We
did
a
five-year
total
in
a
ten-year
total.
All
the
way
to
the
right
of
this
of
this
slide
that
you
can
see
how
much
money
is
theoretically
could
be
available
for
other
purposes
and
again
this
is
if
the
district,
the
district
library
scenario
goes
forward,
and
the
funding
in
the
general
fund
is
therefore
available
for
other
purposes
and
thank.
C
F
This
was
the
more
basic
library
scenario
to
maintain,
so
we
didn't
say:
well,
you
could
have
built
a
Taj,
Mahal
and
then
save
that
money.
So
you
know
we
tried
to
be
conservative
in
this
estimate,
so
from
the
analysis
that
we
looked
at.
That
was
the
the
points
that
we
looked
to
to
achieve
and
the
summary
of
lots
and
lots
of
numbers
that
were
talked
about.
O
All
right,
hello,
members
of
council,
david
gear
with
city
attorney's
office,
I'd
like
to
start
with
just
a
few
introductions:
Janet
Michaels,
the
senior
assistant
city
attorney
with
our
office,
has
been
helping
us
along
with
this
project
and
has
been
the
primary
attorney
and
then
we
also
have
and
I
would
ask
them
to
approach
the
table
as
well:
Kim
Zetter
and
Elizabeth
Bob,
who
are
basically
experts
on
library,
district
formation
and
the
Colorado
library
law.
Just
to
honor
Lisa's
request
I'm
going
to
make
my
presentation
much
briefer
than
I
planned
I.
O
And
I
would
encourage
you
to
all
take
advantage
of
the
knowledge
that
both
Kim
and
Beth
bring
to
the
table.
They
have
a
great
deal
of
you
know
just
knowledge
on
the
on
how
districts
are
organized
and
how
they're
governed
and
really
have
been
very
intimately
involved
in
the
creation
of
a
number
of
them
across
the
state
of
Colorado.
O
So,
basically,
there
are
two
approaches
to
forming
a
library
district
under
the
Colorado
library
law.
As
you
can
see,
there's
an
approach
with
the
governmental
entities
that
have
authority
create
a
district
come
together
and
through
cooperation,
create
a
library
district
through
the
adoption
of
a
resolution
or
ordinance
by
all
of
the
governmental
entities
involved.
O
The
other
approaches
is
quite
similar,
but
it's
by
petition-
and
this
is
in
frankly,
it
seems
to
me
from
my
reading
of
the
Colorado
library
law
that
it's
it's
rather
easy
to
get
a
petition
before
the
governing
bodies
to
get
a
district
started,
but
the
the
district
required
to
do
it
by
petition.
Of
course,
first
there's
a
petition:
the
petitions
required
to
meet
a
number
of
specifications
within
the
Colorado
library
law.
The
petition
is
sent
to
the
Colorado
County.
O
It
would
be
sent
to
the
boulder
county
county
commissioners
and
the
commissioners
along
would
basically
set
it
for
an
election.
It's
also
sent
to
the
city,
there's
a
number
of
requirements
related
to
hearings,
it's
and
that
type
of
thing,
but
once
the
petition
has
been
certified
and
sent
to
the
county
commissioners
there's
a
couple
of
things
that
can
happen.
The
first
thing
that
can
happen
is
when
you
get
the
petition,
you
can
just
go
ahead
and
say
well,
rather
than
go
through
this
election.
O
How
about
we
just
form
a
district
so
that
the
governing
entities
at
that
point
can
just
form
the
district.
If
they
don't
want
to
do
that.
If
they'd
say
we
would
like
to
put
this
up
for
a
vote,
then
it's
set
for
an
election,
and
then
the
voters
will
decide
whether
or
not
they
want
to
form
a
library
district.
Once
the
district
is
formed,
there's
a
board
of
trustees
that
are
appointed
by
all
the
governmental
entities
involved,
and
this
is
the
same
for
both
the
petition
process,
as
well
as
a
resolution
and
ordinance
process.
O
With
regard
to
how
the
governments
cooperate
and
the
intergovernmental
relationships,
and
then
there's
also
a
requirement
in
for
both
that,
if
you
are
going
to
use
Tabor
or
a
mill
levy
as
your
revenue
source
for
the
district,
that
you
have
a
taper
election
and
with
regard
to
the
petition
you
could
you
could
do
it
at
the
time
you
establish
your
district
or
you
could
do
it
at
some
future
point.
The
statute
doesn't
specify
a
specific
time
when
you
have
to
do
your
Tabor
election.
So
that's
it.
J
I've
got
a
couple
since
and
all
directed
to
you
all,
thanks
for
being
here
since
sounds
like
it's
about
the
ig8
portion
of
it.
So
the
just
to
make
sure
I
understand
it
correctly
is
something
like
this
were
to
happen,
that
a
Board
of
Trustees
would
be
appointed
and
they
would
then
become
an
independent
body
that
would
negotiate
the
IGA
with
the
appointing
bodies.
Is
that
correct?
That's
correct?
J
This
is
interesting,
I
just
point
them,
and
then
they
get
their
own
powers
and
then
you
try
to
hash
something
out
as
a
intriguing,
so
the
and
then
with
the
appointment
of
the
Board
of
Trustees,
it's
the
governmental
entities.
Who
would
do
that?
If
we
were
to
look
at
a
library
district
that
included
parts
of
the
county,
how
would
the
appointing
authority
be
divided
between
the
city
and
the
county?
Commissioners,
the.
P
Statutes
provide
that
the
establishing
entities
can
form
a
committee
and
then
that
committee
can
exist
in
perpetuity.
So
it
could
be
so
many
council
members,
so
many
County
Commissioners
to
do
the
the
actual
appointing
overtime.
Alternatively,
and
what
usually
happens,
is
everyone
kind
of
loses
interest
and
the
library
board
is
appointed
to
make
recommendations
which
are
the
ratified
by
you.
P
For
instance,
in
a
rapaho
library
district,
the
recommendations
go
to
Arapahoe,
County
and
they're
approved
or
disapproved
there,
and
then
they
go
to
the
school
district
and
they're
approved
or
disapproved
there.
So
again,
there's
a
lot
of
flexibility,
but
if
you're
going
to
have
two
establishing
entities,
both
will
have
some
say
in
that
appointment
process.
Q
Q
P
You
you
kind
of
have
to
what
we've
seen
in
several
of
the
districts
is:
there's
always
a
concern
that
the
Tabor
election
is
going
to
go
is
going
to
lose.
It's
not
going
to
pass
so
in
the
intergovernmental
agreement
for
several
of
the
library
districts
that
was
provided
that
there
would
be
funding
coming
from
the
city
and
the
county,
or
usually
just
the
city
for
the
new,
the
newly
formed
library
district.
While
the
city
library
continues
to
operate,
that
district
then
goes
out
and
conducts
the
Tabor
election
just
for
the
funding.
P
So
you
have
two
entities
existing.
At
the
same
time,
you
have
the
library
district
board
that
has
been
formed
through
this
appointment
process
and
you
have
the
city
library
moving
forward,
keeping
the
library
services
going.
Then
the
Tabor
election
is
promoted
by
the
library
district
and
if
it
doesn't
pass
and
there's
something
in
the
IGA
that
says
after
so
many
efforts.
The
library
district
board
is
dissolved,
answers
your
question,
but
it.
G
L
A
D
P
Don't
we
don't
do
the
polling,
but
the
polling
I've
seen
would
take
into
account
which
of
those
scenarios
you
want
to
deal
with
so
you're
three
scenarios
begin
narrowly
and
then
expand
outward,
so
your
pollsters
would
would
take
the
poll
in
the
smaller
area
that
would
give
you
that
result
and
then
expand
out
you're
now
adding
these
voters.
What's
the
result
there
and
then
you'd
pull
out
here
as
well.
So
but.
D
P
A
P
We've
had
trouble
with
that
in
some
of
the
library
districts,
because
then
you're
forced
to
ask
a
question
that
says:
will
you
fund
this
entity
recognizing
that
if
you
don't
it's
gonna,
go
away?
It's
not
going
to
exist
because
you're
asking
a
formation
question!
That's
contingent
upon
a
funding
question,
so
the
questions
get
really
complicated.
A
R
A
L
Correct
and
it's
on
page
in
our
packet,
it's
on
page
14
of
this
study
session
packet,
where
they
talk
about
staff
and
the
I
would
assume
the
library
commission
also
coming
up
with
questions
for
the
polling.
But
I
was
gonna.
Ask
about
the
Fort
Collins
election.
How
did
that
go?
It
was
successful.
Was
it
close?
Was
it
contentious?
Was
it
no.
P
P
The
intergovernmental
agreement
was
worked
out
with
regard
to
the
property
before
the
library
district
was
absolutely
certain
to
exist,
because
we
had
that
contingent
funding
question.
The
reason
for
that
was
because
it
gave
you
an
opportunity
to
go
to
the
voters
and
say
if
you
vote
yes,
this
is
what's
going
to
happen.
If
that
IgA
isn't
in
place
to
some
extent,
then
it's
kind
of
a
shot
in
the
dark,
but
it
went.
It
went
pretty
smoothly.
P
That
one,
the
existing
libraries
were
turned
over
to
the
library
district
after
the
first
year,
so
the
library
district
was
formed,
it
was
funded,
collected
its
taxes
over
a
year
and
then
the
existing
assets
were
turned
over.
There
was
a
lot
of.
There
were
a
lot
of
exactions
that
had
been
collected
by
the
city
for
the
library
district,
and
there
was
some
kind
of
a
work
out
with
regard
to
other
property
that
the
city
wanted.
P
K
Know
you
presumably
expert
in
districts
other
than
library
districts?
Yes,
okay,
so
just
cut
out
a
law.
I
know:
there's
fire
districts
right
because
we're
someone
from
over
those
we've
chosen
not
to
we
have
our
own
municipal
fire
department.
Are
there
police
districts
or
Parks
districts
or
open
space
districts?
Do
those
exist
and
does
that
kind
of
play
by
Colorado
long
yeah.
K
M
So
it
looks
from
a
quick
glance
online
that
there's
about
30
library,
districts
or
so
on.
The
state
does
that
send
it
better
is
about
right
here
and
so
how
many
library
systems
are
there
outside
of
districts
like
how
many
municipalities
run
their
own
versus
how
many
vonda
the
district,
because
it
looks
like
roughly
a
third
of
the
land
area
in
Colorado-
has
a
district
yeah.
P
M
P
P
Aurora
has
a
municipal
library
they
have.
We
had
conversations
with
them
about
five
years
ago.
They've
closed
several
of
their
branches
because
of
funding
problems
at
the
time
that
they
that
we
were
talking
about
the
library
district,
they
went
out
for
a
mill
levy
and
I
think
they
were
going
to
form.
What's
called
the
G
ID
just
to
fund
the
library
and
it
didn't
pass-
and
that
was
the
last
discussion.
D
M
P
M
M
How
those
discussions
would
take
place,
but
the
process
wouldn't
necessarily
address
issues
of
substance,
yes
correct,
so
you
could
go
through
that
process
and
end
up
stuck
in
a
place
where,
if
you
hadn't
worked,
those
things
out,
I
need
described
in
Fort
Collins
that
they
got
some
things
dealt
with
before
they
even
form
the
district.
Yes,
but
it's
possible
to
be
essentially
forced
to
form
the
district
by
the
the
petition
carriers
and
then
still
not
have
resolved
some
of
the
big
issues.
Absolutely
okay.
Thank
you.
Yeah.
Q
That's
absolutely
correct.
The
only
thing
I
would
add
is
that
the
90
days
that
is
listed
on
your
slides,
it's
actually
90
days
in
the
statute,
but
then
the
statute
goes
on
to
say
that
you
are
permitted
to
extend
that
IGA
negotiation
period
upon
agreement
of
the
parties,
so
truly
the
90
days
is
just
kind
of
arbitrary.
So.
M
M
P
Necessarily
Beth
and
I
talked
about
this
this
afternoon,
because
the
statutes
don't
provide
that
every
municipality
in
the
district
takes
part
as
an
establishing
entity,
so
only
the
establishing
entities
participate
in
the
IGA
or
even
in
the
formation
process.
So,
if
you
think
about
Colorado
and
all
of
those
districts
that
we've
talked
about,
they
all
overlap
one
another
every
which
way
the
Library
District
can
do
the
same
thing.
P
The
only
question
for
the
library
is
at
the
beginning
is
who's
going
to
establish
it,
so
you
could
establish
it
and
this
hasn't
been
tested,
but
the
way
the
law
reads
you
can
go
out
to
that
outer
boundary
and
you
don't
have
to
talk
to
the
county
commissioners,
but
the
petitioners,
if
that's
done
by
petition,
could
go
to
the
county
commissioners
and
include
they
could
try
to
include
Boulder.
The
only
reason
Boulder
could
get
out
of
it
is
because
it
already
provides
its
own
library,
services.
Longmont
I,
don't
think,
has
a
available
library
system.
G
P
M
One
last
question
and
I'll
be
done
so
in
theory,
a
town,
another
small
town
in
the
county
could
do
this
formation
process
and
it
would
just
be
the
case,
so
they
could
say.
Superior
and
the
petitioners
get
the
county
commissioners
to
move
forward
under
this,
and
then
the
cities
that
provide
library
services
could
choose
to
opt
out.
Yes,
okay,
thank
you.
D
So
kind
of
following
on
that
I
was
really
surprised
that
a
hundred
people
could
petition
to
get
this,
and
how
did
that?
Can
you
explain
how
that
happened,
because
for
every
other
kind
of
petition
you
need
thousands
of
signatures
depending
on,
if
it's
municipal
or
state
or
whatever?
How
did
this
one
happen?
I
can't.
D
P
D
P
Adams
County
did
that
they
turned
the
assets
over
to
the
library
district,
but
they
actually
kept.
What's
called
a
right
of
reverter
on
them,
so
that
if
the
library
did
something
other
than
actually
providing
library
services
on
those
sites,
they
reverted
right
back
to
the
county.
As
time
went
by
that
library,
district
I,
don't
know.
If
you
know
this,
but
it's
it
is
now
Adams
County
Library
District
is
known
worldwide
for
its
services
and
facilities.
P
But
what
happened
was
over
time.
They'd
just
contact
the
county
and
say
this
building
is
not
good
for
us.
We
want
to
sell
it.
Can
we
sell
it
and
every
time
the
county
said?
That's
fine
just
go
ahead,
so
they
gave
up
their
right
of
reverter
on
all
the
buildings.
You
know
most
of
those
buildings.
Nobody
would
have
wanted
anyway,
but.
A
P
Couple
of
things
in
in
Jeffco,
you
remember
earlier
I
mentioned
that
if
a
city
has
its
own
library
services,
it
can
opt
out
of
a
district
formation.
So
Jefferson
County
had
the
Jefferson
County
Library
system,
which
included
Westminster,
but
Westminster
decided
they
wanted
their
own
libraries.
So
they
went
ahead
and
built
some
very
nice
library
facilities.
P
That
became
an
issue
for
Jefferson
County,
because
if
a
library
district
was
formed
now
Westminster
has
the
opportunity
to
opt
out
of
that
library
system.
So
that
was
a
concern
and
that
was
being
worked
through.
The
bigger
issue
and
I
can't
tell
you
I
understand
this,
but
it
has
to
do
with
Jefferson
County's
accounting.
They
had
a
dedicated
library,
mill
levy
and
the
language
of
the
dedicated
library
mill
levy
said
that
the
mill
levy
for
the
library
was
up
to
something
3.5
million
either
County
Commissioners
controlled.
P
That
mill
levy,
whether
it
was
one
mill
or
3.5
Mills
and
what
they
had
been
doing,
and
they
were
very
open
about
this.
They
used
that
mill
levy,
since
they
could
just
move
it
around
to
adjust
for
their
Tabor
requirements
so
that
they
didn't
have
an
overage
in
revenues
and
expenditures
and
in
the
mill
levy.
So
the
library
district,
dedicated
mill
levy,
became
kind
of
their
adjustment
tool
and
because.
P
S
So
I'm
gonna,
happily
step
through
some
slides
to
move
us
right
along
to
some
key
areas
of
context
and
conversation
and
with
respect
to
council
and
Commission.
It's
really
isn't
the
first
time
we've
been
here
as
a
commission
in
this
capacity
or
as
a
council
in
this
capacity.
But
that
said
one
of
the
things
that's
really
nice
to
know
about
the
city
of
Boulder.
Is
it's
a
community
that
loves
its
library?
S
Think
that
leads
us
to
a
topic
of
some
relevant
recent
pertinence
and
that's
our
own
Carnegie
branch
library.
Boulder,
has
always
been
ahead
of
the
curve
and
when
Andrew
Carnegie
started
funding
libraries
within
the
United
States
and
beyond
Boulder
was
one
of
the
early
recipients
of
funding
to
begin
our
own
Library
System
and
our
beloved
Carnegie
Library
began
as
a
seed
grant
to
create
and
fund
a
resource,
and
at
that
time,
Boulder
considered
itself
the
Athens
of
the
West
and
I'll
defer
to
counsel
as
to
how
you
want
to
be
referred
to
going
forward.
S
The
point
being
that
we
quickly
outgrew
that
library
and
that
growth
has
continued
to
this
day
at
this
point
in
time
across
the
boulder
Public
Library
System,
we
see
approximately
1
million
visits
annually
and
those
are
consistent
numbers
and
we've
seen
those
growing
over
the
course
of
looking
at
and
measuring
our
library
system
and
it's
utilization,
and
that
million
equates
to
roughly
2,800
visits
a
day
what's
important
about.
That
is
when
we
think
about
our
community
and
all
of
the
goods
that
we
provide.
S
S
S
S
Would
hope
so
Mary
yeah,
at
least
to
the
visits
and
meetings
and
seeds,
yeah
and
that's
a
good
point-
is
that
a
lot
of
folks
would
say
well
with
the
internet
with
where
we
find
ourselves
these
days.
The
library
is
kind
of
irrelevant,
not
true,
and
we're
able
to
measure
that
and
see
consistently
that
there
is
growth
and
increase
in
utilization
of
our
library
system.
S
Certainly,
a
diversity
of
audience
that
may
not
have
visited
the
library
prior
and
the
goal
that
we
identified
in
our
master
plan
was
some
expansion
of
these
kinds
of
programs.
There's
great
desire
to
see
this
kind
of
access
continue
and
to
foster
the
next
generation
of
library
patrons
and
how
we
look
at
literacy
going
forward
and
that
dovetails
nicely
into
what's
happening
in
North
Boulder,
with
the
2m
and
and
tax
extension.
S
We
were
fortunate
to
receive
the
five
million
dollars
of
funding
to
actually
break
ground
and
create
a
library
facility
in
North
Boulder
expanding
on
the
corner
branch
that
you've
heard
about.
That's
been
such
a
successful
test
case.
The
challenge
here
is
buildings
are
one
thing:
staffing
facilities.
S
Similarly,
outreach
to
a
greater
diversity
of
our
community,
including
the
Latin
X
population,
was
a
goal
that
was
identified
way
back
in
2007.
That
has
continued
to
go
unmet
and
we're
hoping
to
do
better
as
we
move
forward.
Similarly,
we've
talked
about
the
expansion
into
some
of
our
surrounding
communities.
One
of
the
great
successes
of
the
North
Boulder
Corner
branch
has
been
the
ability
to
really
gauge
and
test
and
door
counts
in
North
Boulder
averaged
about
45,000
annually
and
that's
a
450
square
foot
space
that
really
proves
not
only
demand
but
service
and
capacity.
S
This
evening,
like
myself,
there
was
quite
a
backup-
and
you
know
the
ability
to
provide
these
services
within
that
community
really
redefines
what
can
happen
in
those
spaces
and
meet
some
of
the
goals
that
the
city
has
identified.
So
we
love
our
library.
That's
clear,
I've
been
with
you
a
number
of
times
around
this
very
topic
and
I
appreciate
all
of
the
goodwill
and
positive
comments
about
what
we've
been
able
to
do.
S
So
our
conversation
tonight
really
comes
down
to
I
think
what's
the
key
goal
with
our
master
plan,
which
is
really
cracking
the
nut
of
this
long-term
financial
sustainability,
I'm,
hoping
that
there
are
some
Benjamin,
Franklin's
or
Andrew
Carnegie's
here
in
the
room
tonight
that
can
kind
of
help
us
through
this
process.
But
again
this
is
an
unmet
goal
and
it
isn't
just
unmet
from
the
2007
master
plan.
But
the
reality
is
this
goes
back
much
further
and
with
that
I'm
going
to
hand
over
to
Johnny
Teeter
to
continue
our
conversation.
T
T
Essentially
saying
counsel,
please
don't
keep
kicking
this
can
down
the
road,
as
we
mentioned
in
our
memo
to
you,
you
have
the
dubious
distinction
of
being
the
third
Council
to
have
a
study
session
on
library
funding
options,
and
this
was
the
first
of
that.
The
context
for
this
1997
kind
of
study
session
to
go
back
to
some
of
the
questions
about
history.
T
Earlier
in
the
late
1980s,
those
of
you
been
around
may
remember:
Boulder
used
to
have
double-digit,
increases
each
year
in
sales
tax
revenues
and
in
the
late
80s
that
started
to
come
to
an
end
and
the
city
started,
projecting
that
we
were
going
to
have
revenue
problems
in
the
future.
Libraries
operating
budget
was
cut
other
programs
as
well.
In
1987,
there
was
a
community
sales
tax
past
that
included
dedicated
funding
for
the
library
and
a
number
of
other
soft
departments.
Human
Services
was
in
that
I
think
parks
was
in
that
Lisa
and
Cindy.
T
You
may
remember
what
other
departments
that
was
a
20-year
sunsetted
action
and
over
time
that
was
reallocated
and,
as
you
see
a
little
bit
later,
when
it
finally
came
up
for
reallocation,
council,
the
sales
tax
up
for
an
extension
but
on
you're
marketed
and
the
library
was
no
longer
receiving
those
funds.
The
library
did
his
first
master
plan
in
1995
council
at
that
time
asked
the
library
commission
to
come
back
with
funding
options
and
they
did
in
1997,
and
that
was
the
study
session
that
had
the
quote.
T
We
showed
you
that
was
framed
as
a
philosophical
discussion
about
options
to
fund
the
library
and
philosophy
seems
to
be
what
came
out
of
it
in
following
that
City
revenues
continued
to
decline.
The
operating
budget
was
cut
further
staffing
decreased
by
16%
2007.
The
library
master
plan
was
updated
and
approved
by
council
the
1987
sales
tax
sunset
at
about
that
same
time
and
that
funding
went
away.
One
of
the
discussions
in
that
period
was:
can
we
actually
dedicate
that
sales
tax
revenue
to
the
library?
But
a
decision
was
made
not
to
do
that.
2010.
T
There
was
a
second
council
study
session
on
library
funding
needs
this
one
focused
on
both
capital
and
operating,
and
the
council's
focus
was
primarily
on
capital.
That
was
the
first
of
these
big
capital
measures.
I
think
the
one
you
mentioned,
Jane
that
had
120
projects,
including
the
main
library
renovation,
but
no
action
was
taken
on
operating
costs
and
the
noble
Branch
Library,
which
had
also
been
part
of
that
discussion.
There
was
no
action
taken,
and
so
that
takes
us
to
tonight
three's
a
charm.
We
hope
this
is
our
third
study
session
with
you.
T
As
you
know,
we
had
a
study
session
with
you
in
July.
Well,
you
had
a
lot
of
questions
which
hopefully
have
been
answered
tonight.
You
adopted
the
master
plan
in
September
with
a
lot
of
enthusiasm,
and
so
tonight
we're
hoping
that
we
can
actually
stop
kicking
the
can
down
the
road
and
find
a
path
forward
to
address
this.
So
in
our
way
of
looking
at
this,
there's
really
four
basic
questions
before
you.
What
does
it
cost
to
run
the
library
what
options
are
available
to
fund
library
cost?
T
What
are
the
impacts
to
taxpayers
under
different
scenarios
and
then
what
are
the
impacts
and
benefits
to
the
city's
budget
and
you've
seen
that
down
in
the
weeds,
we're
going
to
try
and
pull
it
up
to
the
30,000
foot
level
just
to
try
and
give
a
different
sort
of
context?
So
what
does
it
cost
to
run
the
library
here's
the
status
quo?
If
you
take
this
bar
chart-
and
you
just
add
those
numbers
and
average
them-
you
can
see
the
total
cost
over
five
years
and
the
average
cost
and
I
want
to
say.
T
Has
a
library
commission
we're
comfortable
that
these
are
real
costs?
You
know,
we've
had
our
heads
in
this
for
about
two
years
now,
we've
talked
to
other
libraries
and
other
library
districts.
Some
of
these
numbers
have
been
benchmarked
against
other
library
districts,
especially
the
overhead
cost.
We
always
assumed
there
was
some
economy
of
scale
and
being
part
of
the
city
that
doesn't
seem
to
be
the
case
based
on
the
3.4
million
that
came
up.
That
number
in
in
particular
was
benchmarked
against
five
other
library
districts
and
it's
within
two
to
three
percent.
T
So
this
seems
to
be
a
good
estimate
of
what
it
costs
to
run
the
library
district.
We
give
you
here
the
status
quo,
which
is
sort
of
continuing
the
underfunded
scenario
and
then
full
funding,
which
is
the
master
plan.
The
next
slide
is
just
a
high-level
summary
of
what
you
get
for
status
quo
and
what
you
get
for
full
funding,
and
you
have
a
copy
of
this
as
well.
By
the
way
we
passed
it
out
to
you,
so
then
you
go.
T
What
are
the
options
available
to
fund
a
library
costs
and
we
just
want
to
kind
of
summarize
those
for
you,
two
of
them
only
fund
the
gap
and
continue
to
rely
on
the
general
fund.
Well,
if
there's
anything,
we've
learned
over
the
last
35
years,
it's
that
reliance
on
the
general
fund
is
not
a
sustainable
funding
solution.
T
The
library
disappears
amongst
all
of
the
priorities
that
come
up
for
City
Council,
and
so
you
may
have
a
council
that
says:
oh,
we
want
to
do
this
this
year
and
then
in
two
years,
there's
another
set
of
priorities
and
it
disappears.
That's
been
true,
even
with
dedicated
funding
for
portion
of
it.
Four
of
the
options
rely
on
sales.
Tax
sales
tax,
as
you
know,
is
regressive
and
it's
an
historically
unstable
source
of
funding.
T
Six
rely
on
property
tax,
which
is,
in
our
opinion,
preferable
to
sales
tax,
because
it
is
not
regressive
and
it
is
more
stable.
Seven
of
the
options
rely
on
dedicated
funding
and,
as
we
said
in
our
foreword
to
the
master
plan,
we
think
that
this
is
a
necessity.
If
we
really
want
long-term,
sustainable
funding
for
the
library
it
needs
to
be
predictable,
and
that
means
dedicated
six
of
the
options
require
an
election.
We
are
certainly
recommending
that
polling
be
done.
T
We've
reached
out
to
some
polster's
that
were
recommended
to
us
by
every
library
which
specializes
in
this
kind
of
thing.
We've
got
some
estimates
of
twenty-five
to
thirty
thousand
dollars
to
do
the
kind
of
polling
that
you
guys
were
talking
about
earlier.
We
would
love
to
see
that
go
forward
in
January
and
recommend
that
that
could
be
actually
taken
out
of
library
reserve
funds
to
do
that,
so
it
doesn't
upset
the
budget
and
then
two
of
the
options
expand.
T
The
funding
base,
which
is
we
have
pointed
out,
is,
in
our
opinion,
the
most
equitable
way
to
address
library
funding
and
that
takes
us
to
the
impacts
to
taxpayers.
So
what
we've
done
here
is
just
simply
clipped
the
full
funding
expansion
from
the
city
of
Boulder
versus
the
expanded
district.
So
right
now
about
65%
of
library,
users
are
paying
most
of
the
freight
for
the
library.
Okay,
in
the
expanded,
go
back
in
the
expanded
scenario,
go
back!
Thank
you.
T
You've
got
about
90%
of
users
paying
for
it,
and
you
can
see
the
difference
in
mill
levies
now
this
is
total
cost.
This
is
true
cost.
So
this
includes
the
overhead-
and
this
includes
all
the
capital.
It's
about
20%,
more
cost
to
Boulder
taxpayers.
If
only
the
city
of
Boulder
is
involved
in
paying
it
versus
90%
of
the
patrons
in
the
expanded
boundary
and
then
the
map,
which
is
the
next
one,
you
can
just
see
that
visually.
You
can
see
the
little
dots
which
represent
where
patrons
are.
T
Library
district
provides
transparency
and
accountability,
and
they
wanted
to
address
that
briefly.
One
of
the
advantages
of
a
district
is
that
the
Board
of
Trustees
is
accountable
to
all
the
patrons,
and
we
know
that
there's
some
issues
of
people
outside
the
city
feeling
like
they're
not
represented
this-
gives
them
a
voice.
The
budgets
are
also
transparent
and
accessible,
and,
having
spent
all
this
time
going
through
these
budgets,
I
would
really
appreciate
that
you
know
it's
only
a
library
budget
you're
not
trying
to
figure
it
out
and
everything
else.
T
There
is
an
annual
report
required
each
year
that
goes
to
the
two
entities
and
to
the
taxpayers.
If
you
look
at
my
district
websites,
most
of
them
have
monthly
P&L
sup.
So
it's
easy
to
see
exactly
where
your
money
is
going
and
then
the
community
assets
remain
in
service
and,
as
has
been
discussed,
there's
a
lot
of
different
options
that
you
can
use
to
deal
with,
how
those
assets
are
handled.
T
I
think
that
you're
going
to
have
a
hard
sell
in
saying
that
you
want
to
charge
market
rate
for
these
and
then
that
money
is
going
to
come
back
to
the
city.
That
sounds
like
yet
another
scenario
in
which
we're
going
to
use
the
library
to
generate
revenues
for
city
services
that
aren't
related
to
the
library
people
have
already
paid
for
these
once
and
I
think,
given
the
age
of
our
facilities,
it's
helpful
to
think
about
the
fact
that
sales
tax
paid
for
most
of
those
at
a
time
was
the
regional
hub.
S
We
really
are
looking
back
over
time
and
trying
to
make
good
on
promises
that
were
established
and
respond
to
increasing
utilization
over
utilization
in
some
respects,
of
the
capacity
that
we
currently
have
in
system.
And
what
really
starts
to
kind
of
emerge
for
us
is
something
that
you've
already
begun
to
suss
out
here
this
evening,
and
probably
in
some
of
your
conversations
off
line,
that
there
is
a
return
of
some
funds
back
into
the
city
general
fund.
S
There's
this
opportunity
to
allow
for
new
utilization
of
funding
within
the
city
and
this
more
equitable
distribution
of
the
library
has
funded
district
asset
across
paid
age,
really
does
open
up
some
possibilities
for
conversations,
and
that
really
does
kind.
Of
sum
it
up
that
we
free
up
general
fund
dollars
that
are
available
to
be
used
for
other
priorities,
of
which
we
know.
S
There
are
many
in
several,
it's
a
win
for
the
library
we
finally
have
that
sustainable,
predictable
revenue
that
allows
us
to
really
think
about
the
kind
of
history
we
want
to
leave
as
a
community
in
creating
this
asset
and
sustaining
it.
For
what
comes
next
and
it's
definitely
a
win
for
the
community,
it
fulfills
a
vision
for
the
library
as
reflected
not
just
in
the
2018
master
plan,
but
the
plans
that
have
gone
unmet
in
the
time
that
we've
been
having
this
conversation.
S
So
I
think
fair
to
say
that
the
same
sentiments
were
expressed
back
in
April
7th
of
1997,
and
here
we
are
November
27
2018,
recognizing
that
if
we
can
find
a
way
to
cooperate
and
work
through
this
and
create
a
sustained
pool
of
funding
the
next
commission,
the
next
council
won't
have
this
conversation
and
perhaps
will
solve
a
few
other
problems
along
the
way.
Thank
you.
K
Tim,
can
you
go
back
to
your
slide?
Number
229
do
back.
This.
Is
the
wind
poll
slide.
This
assumes,
however,
that
we
create
a
district.
We
raise
taxes
for
whoever's
in
the
district
to
fund
the
library,
but
the
city
doesn't
reduce
the
taxes
that
already
pay
for
the
library
that
we
that
we
raise
taxes,
but
we
don't
give
the
tax
funding
back
to
the
taxpayers.
We
keep
that
too,
and
so
they
get
to
pay
for
the
library
they
don't
own,
and
then
they
get
to
pay
for
a
library.
They
do
own
right.
Well,.
K
K
K
Question
I
guess-
and
this
is
a
philosophical
one,
why
the
library-
in
other
words,
we
could
be
having
this
discussion
with
the
police
department,
the
fire
department,
the
parks
department,
why
they
and
they
all
have
constrained
budgets.
They
all
would
like
to
do
more
for
for
the
community.
Why
the
library-
and
why
not,
every
other
department
in
the
city.
S
Appreciate
that
question
and
I
think
that's
the
tough
context
to
answer,
and
certainly
don't
want
to
speak
for
the
folks
that
are
active
and
involved
with
those
services
and
certainly
those
communities.
Speaking
for
myself,
as
a
commissioner,
the
answer
is,
we
didn't
come
up
with
this.
This
has
been
a
standing
solution
to
a
long-standing
problem
and
when
we
began
our
deep
dive
and
diligence
around
this
most
recent
master
plan,
we
saw
time
and
again
that
this
had
been
mentioned
and
discussed
and
similar
promises
were
made
or
solutions
were
offered.
S
But
again
the
library
tends
to
disappear
over
time
and
I
think
that's
not
uncommon
with
any
number
of
services
within
the
city.
What
I've
seen
happen
in
my
time
as
a
commissioner
is
that
the
library
shows
up
and
is
a
very
wonderful
asset
to
package
other
things
with,
and
so
a
tax
initiative
will
be
floated
the
libraries
in
there.
S
It's
untested
and
untried
I
think
you've
heard
from
some
of
the
other
expertise
shared
this
evening
that
there
are
models
for
this
I
refer
to
what
Kim
said
earlier,
that
Adams
district
has
become
a
model
for
libraries
around
the
country
and
I
think
in
so
many
ways
where
Boulder
can
lead.
This
is
a
great
opportunity
to
do
just
that.
My
hope
would
be
that
this
unpacking
that
we're
doing
actively
as
both
council
and
Commission
in
this
conversation
really
does
start
to
look
more
I
guess
with
transparency
that
Johnny
mentioned
around
how
this
budgeting
works.
S
T
And
I
would
agree
with
what
Jim
said,
but
I
would
also
add
my
own
perspective.
I
mean,
as
some
of
you
know,
I
started
out,
saying
you
know
no
dedicated
funding,
no
district,
no
way.
No,
how
and
I
have
come
to
change
that
opinion
over
time
and
I.
Think
part
of
that
has
to
do
with
the
nature
of
what
a
library
does.
Libraries
provide
a
different,
very
different
kind
of
service
than
most
of
the
things
that
the
city
does.
T
T
For
a
reason
you
know
we
can
talk
about
whether
school
districts
are
well-managed
or
whatever,
but
imagine
if
you
guys
are
making
decisions
on
curricula
and
enrollment
and
everything
else,
along
with
what
you
have
I
think
that
it
makes
sense
to
separate
this
type
of
service,
because
it
is
so
essential.
It's
about
the
future.
It's
about
getting
new
generations
trained
and
going
forward
and
for
whatever
reason
in
our
culture,
those
types
of
issues
always
fall
to
the
bottom
of
the
plate.
As
Jim
has
said,
this
is
not
a
problem.
That's
unique
to
Boulder.
T
All
libraries
have
seen
this
happen.
I
think
that's
the
fundamental
reason
behind
the
Colorado
library
law,
so
I
think
it
is
a
special
and
unique
system
if
you've
traveled
in
other
places,
I
spent
time
in
Egypt,
where
they
didn't
have
libraries
and
and
I
think
that
helps
you
see
how
important
a
library
is
in
creating
civic
life
in
creating
culture,
and
it
needs
to
have
its
own
base
of
funding.
A
L
G
G
T
We
did
yeah
and
I
think
that
that
is
illustrated
in
your
packet
tonight.
I
mean
dedicated
funding
within
the
city,
the
best
we
can't
get
a
number
that
shows
how
much
people
are
paying
today
because
of
the
complication
of
sales,
tax
and
property
tax,
so
that
slide.
That
shows
what
you
would
pay
within
the
city
of
Boulder
in
property
tax
is
a
good
surrogate
to
see
what
dedicated
funding
would
look
like
on
a
cost
per
household.
T
If
you
then
compare
that
to
the
expanded
scenario
where
you
have
90
percent
of
people
instead
of
65
percent,
you
see
that
it's
a
lot
more
equitable
because
more
households
are
involved,
and
that
means
less
cost
per
household.
So
we
thought
dedicated
funding
would
make
sense.
Originally
we
said
you
know
if
the
city
wants
to
dedicate
funding,
that's
great,
but
then,
when
you
start
looking
at
the
equities
of
it
and
spreading
it
across
a
broader
patron
base,
we
stepped
back
and
said
you
know.
A
district
makes
more
sense.
D
This
goes
to
Bob's
question:
we
have
open
space,
we
have
millions
of
people
who
come
to
our
open
space
and
we
don't
charge
people
to
come
to
our
open
space,
and
we
basically
say
you
know
most
of
the
people.
I
mean
we
have
a
few
places
that
have
a
charged
parking
few,
but
for
those
open
space
trails
that
come
into
the
city
and
most
of
them
that
eat
don't
even
come
into
the
city.
We
use
people
come
and
shop
here
or
work
here
or
eat,
or
do
something
so
I
I
still
don't
get.
D
What
the
difference
is
between
open
space
in
the
library
where
you
have
a
lot
of
outside
users,
open
space
did
have
dedicated
funding
which
served
it
very
well
and
we
might
have
to
go
back.
But
so
it's
an
interesting
question
and
I
mean
we
don't
share
our
planning
department.
We
don't
share
all
these
other
departments,
so
I'm
still
I
mean
I
get.
How
important
libraries
are
very
much.
T
And
I
would
call
me
back
that
I
mean
the
open
space
tax
was
passed
in
1967
at
the
time
when
the
city
was
doing
double-digit
increases
in
sales
tax
every
year
sales
tax
was
the
gravy
train.
We
thought
that
would
last
forever
if
we
were
establishing
an
open
space
program
today,
I'll
bet
it
wouldn't
be
sales
tax,
I
think
that's
one
change,
that's
happened
and,
of
course
it's
that
dedicated
funding
that
has
given
us
that
system
and.
L
C
J
M
I
would
just
want
to
comment.
I,
don't
know
that
we
have
to
pick
between
these
menu
options,
because
each
one
of
them
has
a
bunch
of
sub
menu
options,
which
staff
very
helpfully
helped
us
look
at
in
the
handout.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
that,
because
it
has
the
bullet
points.
These
buckets
are
fine
to
talk
about
in
general,
but
I
also
think
that
we
don't
have
to
pick
a
you
know.
M
The
meat
community
may
demand
one
because
I
look
the
difference
between
a
meat
community
man
demand
and
service
expansion
is
fairly
small
yeah,
but
there's
a
big
gap
between
maintain
services
now
and
meet
community
demand.
So
I
also
think
that
we
should
be
willing
to
be
flexible
about
what
services
it
is
that
we
really
want
to
see
so.
J
D
M
I
guess
I
generally
do
agree
with
increasing,
so
I
don't
want
to
keep
us
where
we
are
today.
I
wanted
to
buffer
gun
barrel,
and
you
look
down
this
list
of
potential
services.
You
know
one
bucket
of
those
we've
got
some
funding
for,
but
maybe
not
all,
which
is
outfitting.
The
North
Boulder
branch
right,
fine
materials
as
well
as
buying
furniture
and
fixtures,
and
all
of
that
stuff.
So
I
think
that's
a
really
important
one
David
do
you
want
to
talk
I'm,
sorry,
I'm
on
the
handout
on
page
five,
but.
N
M
J
A
L
A
Tamizh
more
of
a
tactic
than
and
boy
but
I
will
easily
say
whatever.
It
seems
to
me
that.
Well,
let
me
ask
you
a
question:
are
we
in
agreement
that
we
need
to
come
up
with
a
dedicated
funding
source
of
some
type
or
others
prepared
to
continue
to
try
to
fund
it
from
the
general
fund?
What
what's
that
general
I
guess
to
me?
That's
a
little
bit
of
a
short
question.
Yeah.
K
And
there's
probably
a
hybrid
middle
to
right.
Let's
hear
about
that!
Well,
I,
don't
have
a
solution.
I
know
just
I'm,
just
saying
I
know,
as
Mary
pointed
out,
where
I
think
the
Blue
Ribbon
Commission
tried
to
steer
us
away
wisely
from
dedicated
taxes,
and
so,
while
you
know
we're
looking
at
looks
like
about
a
four
to
five
million
dollar
handle.
Not
we
may
not
have
all
that
be
dedicated
taxes,
it
could
be
a
combination
of
dedicated
taxes
and
general
Fontan.
Okay,.
A
D
D
A
D
G
B
We
did
we
worked
with
Mike
Ewbank
and
the
admission
taxes
right
now,
as
you
know,
say
that
we
don't
charge
admission
taxes
for
races
out
outdoors
if
we
charged
an
admission
tax.
Our
conservative
estimate
is
that
Monnet
would
be
around
forty
four
thousand
five
hundred
dollars
a
year
and
in
two
years
it
would
go
up
to
sixty-seven
thousand
and
the
differences
that
currently
we
have
a
contract
with
Ironman
not
to
charge
an
admission
tax
for
them.
So
my
contract,
we
couldn't
do
it.
B
A
J
Well,
I
guess
for
me:
I
would
handle
it
differently
as
a
district
than
I
would
without
a
district
I
mean
I
am
interested
in
continuing
to
look
into
the
district
idea
and
and
then
it's
inherently
a
dedicated
tax.
If
we're.
If
the
council's
will
is
to
not
continue
to
explore
that
option,
then
I
would
think
about
more.
What
bob
was
describing
is
the
hybrid
option,
I'm
leery,
of
dedicating
substantial
amounts
of
funding
because
of
the
limits
that
it
places
on
the
city's
flexibility
for
the
long
term.
J
I
do
absolutely
support
more
funding
for
the
library,
so
I
think.
If
we're
gonna
go
down
that
road
I
think
I
would
need
some
more
detailed
discussion
about
exactly
how
we'd
fund
it
and
maybe
there's
additional
taxes.
I
mean
Jane
did
what
was
the
rough
amount
that
we
cut
from
the
budget
in
this
last
year
that
you
proposed
those
funding
decreases
and
that
we
adopted
a
lot
of.
J
K
Modify
what
I
said
cuz
I
Lisa
made
me
reminded
me
that
there's
really
actually
three
parts
to
this
funding
right
Erin
points
out
that
we're
kind
of
getting
kind
of
a
little
bit
backwards,
because
we
should
probably
talk
a
little
bit
about
district
versus
non
district,
because
the
question
really
is
is
around
non
district,
because
district
by
definition
is
dedicated.
So
let's
just
assume
that
non
district
for
sake
of
discussion,
I,
think
Lisa's,
absolutely
right,
I
think
there's
really
three
sources
of
money,
one
is:
is
potentially
a
dedicated
tax,
I'm,
not
real
thrilled
about
that.
L
A
I
will
jump
in
and
agree
with.
You
I
think
that
we
might
want
to
pull
on
maybe
more
than
one
scenario,
but
one
of
them
being
for
sure
a
district.
We
could
also
contrast
that,
with
a
I
think
some
sort
of
dedicated
funding
and
I
was
on
a
blue,
Commission
and
I.
Remember
how
we're
the
whole
point
was:
how
do
we
free
up
money
so
it
can
be
adaptable
and
discretionary,
and
we
can,
as
a
city,
respond
to
what's
happening
in
our
community
as
opposed
to
being
locked
in,
and
what
we
found
out
is.
A
D
A
R
Inclined
to
agree
with
you
and
Cindy
I,
just
I
think
as
Lisa
has
pointed
out
before
this
is
one
of
our
crown
jewels
and
I
think
some
hope
education
is
the
right
word
with
the
community
to
understanding,
because
I
find
it
really
interesting
that
our
Library
Commission
could
be
completely
against
this
and
then
hear
the
understanding.
I
think
that
they
have
the
most
knowledge
out
of
anybody,
I
would
assume
and
that
they
now
think.
R
This
is
a
good
idea
and
so
I
think
if
the
community
is
educated
on
the
pros
and
cons
and
everything
that
we
just
had
here
and
to
truly
understand
what
has
happened
in
the
past
people
who
may
completely
be
against
it
might
all
of
a
sudden,
say
wow.
This
is
actually
a
pretty
decent
idea
and
it's
a
great
way
to
move
forward,
or
it
may
be
that
yeah
we
end
up
going
and
staying
with
it.
R
You
know
supplies
and
check
on
our
budget,
and
maybe
we
can
find
some
tightening
they're
cutting
programs
or
whatnot,
but
the
biggest
thing
is
involving
the
community
for
me
because
there's
a
really
big
education
gap
here
of
just
hearing
it
and
freaking
out
versus
understanding
what
it
does
and
how
it
could
support
what
our
community
wants.
So
that's,
that's
kind
of
where
I
think
we're
putting
all
the
cart
before
the
horse.
If
we
don't
do
the
pulling.
A
M
M
When
we
did
the
compound
survey
questions,
we
had
to
go
through
three
iterations
to
get
those
right
and
so
I
would
just
say
if
we're
going
to
do
that,
we
better
pay
close
attention
and
get
it
reviewed
by
a
lot
of
different
people
who
want
to
I
am
not
as
excited
about
a
district
but
I'm
willing
to
talk
about
it.
There
are
a
few
things
that
I
would
point
out:
there's
probably
a
reason
that
Denver
hasn't
done.
One
and
I
think
Denver
has
a
very
high
quality
library
system.
M
They
also
have
a
very
well
known,
you
know,
set
of
libraries
and
a
high
level
of
service,
so
it's
possible
to
do
this.
Municipally
is
probably
a
matter
of
will,
and
so
when
we
contrast,
the
different
scenarios
I
think
we
need
to
make
it
clear
how
the
government's
would
be
different
right.
So
the
people
in
the
city
of
Boulder
would
now
not
be
directly
electing
the
people
who
would
be
responsible
for
the
library
that
it
would
shift
to
be.
M
You
know
there
we
answer
to
the
library
decisions
now,
as
the
elected
officials,
we
get
advice
from
the
Commission,
but
I
think
that's
a
change
that
we
need
to
make
certain
that
people
understand
would
be
different
and
how
it
would
be
different.
I
appreciate
the
idea
that
ninety
percent
of
the
people
would
now
be
paying
for
the
services
that
they
use.
M
That
I
think
would
be
a
good
thing,
but
I
don't
think
it's
sixty
five
percent
now,
necessarily
because
sales
tax
is
a
funny
thing
and
a
lot
of
the
people
I
live
around
here-
probably
spin
sales
tax
money
either
because
they
work
in
this
area
because
they
can
meet
here.
So
we
are
getting
some
contributions
from
people
who
are
outside
of
the
city.
Footprint
I
also
want
to
highlight
what
Bob
said,
because
this
is
a
really
really
important
point.
M
Every
department
and
the
City
has
aspirations
that
can't
get
met,
and
it
is
unfortunate
and
it's
part
of
what
we
have
to
do.
As
a
budget
decision.
It
took
30
years
to
move
station
3
out
of
the
floodplain
once
it
was
decided
to
need
it
to
be
done
for
the
fire
department.
So
I
think
we
need
to
be
a
little
careful.
I
agree,
the
libraries
are
different
and
that
they
are
special,
but
fire
departments
are
special.
M
Police
departments
are
special
and
open
space
and
mountain
parks,
which
is
the
most
analogous
in
a
way
to
the
library,
is
something
that
we
have
maintained.
Management
of,
even
though
many
outside
users
show
up
and
use
the
open
space
in
mountain
park
facilities.
I
think
we
we've
wanted
to
do
that
to
be
responsible
stewards
and
because
this
has
been
something
our
community
has
brought
up
and
forward.
M
A
A
A
M
And
you
know
that
is
an
argument
for
dedicated
tax
by
the
way,
because
we
have
a
dedicated
tax
for
our
open
space,
and
that
has
kept
it
that
way
and
given
that
a
footing
that
it
wouldn't
have
had
otherwise,
because
core
services
were
never
gonna,
let
go
right.
You
know
the
police
and
the
fire,
those
are
and
the
snow
removal
and
Street
maintenance.
You
know
all
those
things
are
utterly
core,
and
so
one
reason
I
think
the
library
may
get
short
theft
is
when
the
budget
goes
down.
It's
a
place.
M
J
I,
just
do
you
mind.
I
know
you
are
right
up,
but
just
on
the
open
space
analogy,
just
think
in
one
way
that
the
counties
up
in
space
tax
is
in
a
little
bit
of
a
way,
a
districting
of
open
space.
We
have
access
to
a
lot
of
other
open
space
areas
that
we,
our
city,
has
enough
funded.
So
there's
a
little
bit
of
extremes
there,
okay.
L
D
D
So
and
I
think
we
need
to
elevate
libraries
and
other
things
that
serve
our
residents.
Our
residents
on
a
higher
level
I
mean
we're
always
happy
to
look
at
I,
don't
know
give-give,
you
know,
exemptions
for
races.
You
know
most
of
these
people.
A
lot
of
them
are
from
outside
of
Boulder.
They
bring
a
lot
of
money
to
Boulder
and
they
they
generate
a
strong
sales
tax.
So
you
know,
but
I
I
think
we
need
to
somehow
internally
make
sure
that
our
libraries
are
one
of
our
top
priorities.
I
mean
planning
is
a
top
priority.
D
Why
isn't
libraries
in
that
top
priority?
I,
don't
know
so.
For
me,
I
am
not
really
interested
in
a
in
a
district.
I
understand
wanting
a
sustainable
base.
I
agree
with
that,
but
I
think
the
city
of
Boulder
can
do
that.
It's
just
a
matter
of
our
priorities.
I
also
haven't
gone
through
the
trash
tax
and
the
city
of
Boulder
trash
tax
and
the
County
trash
tax.
D
None
of
the
entities,
none
of
the
cities,
have
really
had
much
of
a
true
voice
in
operating
that
trash
tax
in
operating
or
having
a
say
on
the
municipal
recovery
facility
on
household
hazardous
waste.
We've
never
agreed
to
do
that
anyway.
That's
a
whole
different
thing,
so,
from
my
perspective,
we've
run
a
very
good
Library
System.
We
have
one
of
the
best
library
directors
we've
had
in
decades
were
fortunate
to
have
him
and
his
staff.
We
have
a
nationally
acclaimed
library.
Why
would
we
want
to
dilute
our
crown
jewels
and
I
feel
like
this?
D
90%
65%,
as
Bob
pointed
out,
is,
is
kind
of
a
fake
number,
because
a
lot
of
the
people
that
come
in
are
spending
sales
tax
and
they're
they're
spending
money
in
the
city
of
Boulder.
So
we
do
recoup
the
people
who
are
coming
from
outside
of
the
city
of
Boulder
into
the
city.
I
I
would
like
to
look
at
how
our
our
community
or
our
organization
is
organized
and
maybe
do
some
reorganization.
We
talked
about
moving
parking
into
transportation,
there's
efficiencies
that
could
be
made
there.
So
let's
not
go
to
the
specifics.
A
K
To
get
back
to
the
polling
question
first
of
all,
I
am
and
Lisa
both
are
I'm,
not
I'm
in
favor
of
a
district,
but
there's
only
nine
of
us
and,
if
someone's
offering
us
more
information
to
see
what
another
hundred
thousand
people
think
that
I'm
you
know
all
in
favor
of
spending
the
20,000
or
30,000
to
find
out
what
they
think
and
maybe
maybe
maybe
we're
wrong.
So
I'm,
okay
with
polling
but
I,
think
Sam
and
Lisa.
Both
made
really
good
points.
K
It's
really
important
that
the
question
not
be:
wouldn't
it
be
cool
to
have
library
district
write,
the
questions
got
to
be.
Would
you
like
a
library
desk,
a
turistic
and
are
you
willing
to
pay
and
I?
Don't
know
what
the
number
is
X
dollars
more
for
that
and
and
for
the
people
in
Boulder
it's
gonna,
be
a
small
increment
for
the
people
outside
of
Boulder
could
be
a
really
big
increment
because
they're
not
paying
that
because
they
get
the
relief
that
we
that
bull
residents
presumably
would
get
I,
don't
know
if
that's
gonna
happen.
A
A
K
Think
it's
a
three-part
question
which
is
well.
It's
always
the
one
there's
one
question
which
is:
do
you
want
to
increase
funding
for
the
library,
then
there's
two
parts
of
it
which
is:
do
you
want
to
create
a
district
and
have
your
taxes
go
up
by
this?
Much
do
you
want
to
have
a
dedicated
tax
and
have
your
taxes
go
at
this
much?
K
Maybe
those
are
the
same
numbers
I
don't
know
or
none
of
the
above
are
you
content
with
that
with
with
funding
the
library
at
the
rate
it
is,
and
so
I
think
it's
a
three
part
question
district,
this
much
money
non
district
but
dedicated
this
much
or
status
quo
right
and
I.
Think
the
pollsters
will
figure
this
out,
but
I
think
to
Sansom.
A
And
but
yes,
and
we
need
to
be
specific
because
whatever
solution
we
come
up
with,
we
want
to
know
that
people
agree
with
us
right
so
and
I
do
think
it'll
be
a
tricky
surveying.
It
won't
be
a
short
one
right.
Okay,
we
have
Aaron,
but
there's
a
couple
things
that
come
up,
that
I
just
want
to
clarify:
denver's
come
up
a
couple
times
and
I
guess
I.
Just
also
I
would
love
to
know
the
answer
to
that,
and
maybe
we
could
talk
to
the
library
but
they're
also
a
County.
That's
the
other
thing.
M
A
Okay,
one
other
question
that
came
up
I
think
was
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
if
we
do
a
polling
is
that
we
talk
about
governance
and
then
the
issue
with
the
county
came
up,
so
it
spurred
a
question
for
me,
which
is
the
city
of
Boulder,
is
the
bulk
of
the
bub
of
the
population.
If
we
go
with
the
district,
that's
great
you,
presumably
in
an
IgA,
we
could
probably
work
it
out
that
we
promote.
We,
we
appoint
the
bulk
of
the
trustees.
I
mean
we
can
set
up
on.
A
P
P
P
Under
the
statutes,
politically,
it's
a
different
question
and
it's
never
been
tested,
but
that
was
kind
of
my
point
about
the
overlapping
government
entities
in
color.
I,
don't
they're
all
over
the
place
and
a
lot
of
the
underlying
entities
have
no
say
over
what
happens
with
the
other
entities.
So
in
the
in
the
regular
district
statute,
there's
a
provision
that
says
you
can't
form
a
district
that
overlaps
with
another
district.
That's
already
providing
that
same
service.
P
The
library
law
says
the
same
thing:
basically
that
if
you're
going
to
form
a
district,
if
there's
a
municipality
that
provides
library
services,
it
can
opt
out.
So
by
analogy,
I
think
that's
what
the
law
is
saying
that
you
can
form
the
district
larger
than
your
own
boundaries
and
do
it
on
your
own.
But
then
there's
going
to
be
an
election
to
fund
it
and
but.
M
I'm
worried
about
governance.
So
presumably,
if
we're
gonna
say
we
did
this,
just
walk
in
your
scenario
out
and
we
expand
it
to
plan
boundaries,
for
instance,
just
as
an
example,
we're
gonna
be
taking
you
in
a
bunch
of
people
in
area
three
who
aren't
city
taxpayers,
they
don't
get
to
vote
on
the
City
Council
and
would
they
say
it
went
through
and
you
know
it
passed.
We
voted
the
entire
city
plus
those
people
in
the
county
and
it
passed.
A
M
J
M
J
M
N
J
I
would
really
love
to
see
those
services
in
Gunbarrel,
so
I'll
just
say
that
and
I
think
that,
but
but
I
think
the
polling
can
really
guide
us
here.
We
do
a
statistically
valid
poll
of
people
within
the
city
of
Boulder
and
the
people
in
these
areas
outside
that
we're
considering
building
the
district
around
and
I
think
that
gives
us
the
big
cues
about
the
directions
that
we
proceed
in
next
I
mean
if
we
get
something.
That's
like
everybody's
like
well
we're
5050
one
way
or
the
other
or
the
other.
J
Then
we
have
to
come
back
and
make
the
final
decision
ourselves,
but
I
think
if,
if
we
get
really
wide
numbers
of
people
say
they
hate
the
district
or
they
love
the
district
or
they
know
funding
or
they
want
more.
You
know
then
I
think
that
gives
us
our
next
step.
So
I'd
really
like
to
see
a
high
quality
poll
lead
us
forward.
A
M
So
can
I
make
a
follow
up
on
that
I
agree
with
that.
It
occurs
to
me
now
that
we
were
thinking
about
the
city
potentially
being
able
to
initiate
this
and
also
expand
it
somewhat
into
the
county
that
we
would
need
to
be
clear
with
our
tax
payers.
There's
one
option
which
allows
you
to
have
sales
tax
and
property
tax,
but
as
soon
as
we
go
outside
of
our
boundaries,
I
think
it's
a
property
tax
alone,
and
so
that's
a
point
of
education.
That
I
think
we're
going
to
need
to
include
in
that.
A
Right
and
the
thing
I
think
that
gets
a
little
tricky
is
that
there's
trade-offs
that
could
be
decided
like
it
could
mean
council
could
decide
to
reduce
taxes.
It
might
mean
not,
you
know
so,
and
how
do
you
kind
of
get
a
sense
without
you,
except
that
would
be
a
logical
question.
So
anyhow,
just
I
think
the
pollster
will
have
to
try
to
be
make
sure
that
it's
not
a
push
poll
in
any
way,
but
is
really
sort
of
digging
deeper.
I.
D
A
J
A
This
idea
that
you
retain
control,
but
okay,
so
dill,
we've
heard
from
a
few
people
about
kind
of
where
they're
at
I
guess
I'll
just
jump
into
the
fray
and
say
I
started
as
a
skeptic
about
I.
Don't
want
to
give
up
control
of
an
asset.
That
was
my
thing.
I
am
feeling
my
mind
that
as
a
fiduciary,
the
part
of
our
fiduciary
responsibilities
is
to
go.
A
This
might
be
smart
from
that
point
of
view
and
if
we
could
figure
out
a
way
to
do
it
without
giving
up
control,
then
my
thinking
has
shifted
a
bit
so
I
guess
that's
where
I'm
at
as
I'm
open
to
it
I
do
think
we
need
to
figure
out
a
way
to
have
more
dedicated
funding
which
yeah
so
I'm
committed
to
figuring
that
out
and
I
guess:
I'm
more
open
to
a
district
than
I
was
before.
If
the
voters
are
cool
with
it,
who
else
wants
to
weigh
in.
G
G
A
G
G
That's
what
I'd
like
to
see
is
some
options
for
how
we
would
create
that
dedicated
text,
because
it
is
for
all
the
reasons
that
have
already
been
given
here:
the
library
as
it
is
not
in
many
people's
minds,
a
core
service
does
get
money
hijacked
away
from
it,
so
so
to
come
up
with
some
dedicated
funding.
I
think
would,
in
my
first
choice,
would
be
to
come
up
with
dedicated
alternative
outside
of
a
district
and
then
but
I
want
to
see
what
the
polling
looks
like
is.
A
A
L
Taken
yes,
but
I
would
say
dedicated
sustainable
means.
If
we
have
fluctuating
taxes,
their
budget
again
is
fluctuating,
and
what
they're
asking
for
is
a
sustained
underlying
budget
in
order
to
maintain
what
they've
got
and
sustainable
is
one
of
those
kind
of
buzz
words.
It's
going
to
come
and
go
well.
R
K
It's
kind
of
a
question
for
David
a
legal
question:
Kim:
can
we
can
we
dedicate?
How
can
we
dedicate
and
bind
future
councils
within
our
tax
regime?
In
other
words,
I
understand
how
you
can
go
out
to
the
taxpayers
and
say:
hey
I
want
to
pay
more
taxes,
it'll
be
dedicated,
we'll
only
go
for
this
or
that
the
taxpayers
do
this
yes
or
no.
Without
raising
taxes,
can
we
dedicate
either
sales
or
property
tax
and
bind
future
councils,
or
does
that
require
a
vote
of
the
people?
Well,.
K
H
O
Yeah,
it
would
be
the
place
you
would
do,
it
would
be
in
the
city
charter
and
you
would
just
write,
put
the
budget
Direction
directly
into
the
city
charter
audited,
people
who
would
vote
on
it.
Otherwise,
you
know
the
other
option.
As
you
mentioned,
is
you
know
a
dedicated
revenue
source
when
you
pass
it
when
you
pass
a
tax,
that's
another
approach,
but
for
existing
revenues.
I
think
that
the
main
way
would
be
just
through
the
Charter.
So.
K
I
just
want
to
make
a
clarification
to
your
I
think
you
summarized
councils
intent
correctly,
that
there
needs
to
be
there's
a
desire
to
have
dedicated
or
sustainable
or
whatever
tax
for
at
least
a
portion
of
the
library.
However,
I
don't
want
people
I,
don't
want
the
newspaper
to
walk
away
from
this
insane.
Council
wants
to
raise
taxes
because
I
think
raising
taxes
and
dedicating
taxes
are
two
different
things
and
I.
D
Because
I
really
want
to
look
at
our
budgets
and
reallocate
our
existing
funds
and
that's
what
I
was
asking.
Is
there
a
way
to
reallocate
some
of
those
funds
identify
how
much
that
is
and
make
that
a
dedicated
fund
for
the
library
with
the
tax
without
raising
without
raising
without
raising
taxes,
I.
O
D
D
A
O
A
G
R
M
M
But
then
there's
once
we
go
outside
the
city,
we're
gonna
need
to
have
something
of
a
sense
of
where
those
boundaries
are
drawn,
that
we're
having
people
take
a
look
at
the
poll
on
and
so
I
don't
know.
If
we
want
to
do
that
now
or
if
we
just
want
to
review
the
poll
after
it's
been
worked
over
a
little
bit,
but
that's
an
interesting
question,
because
it
could
be
very
expansive
and
got
two
options
here.
Comp
plan
limits
or
even
beyond
that
we.
M
K
I
could
help
Sam
out
I.
Think
one
of
the
problems
is,
is
that
I
mean
I
get
the
fact
that
we
can
ask
three
different
populations
right
and
we
meet
three
different
types
of
questions.
Ask
those
populations
and
that
we've
already
done
the
work
and
the
boundaries
of
the
problem
is,
is
theirs
which
population
we
asked.
K
I'm
also
affects
the
the
costing,
in
other
words,
if
we,
if,
if
the
district,
if
the
polling
supports
a
big
district
and
the
costing
for
the
people
and
boulders,
can
be
lower
than
if
the,
if,
if
the
people
outside
of
Boulder
don't
want
to
do
it,
the
numbers
become
a
lot
higher,
and
so
you
almost
have
to
give
people
a
range.
But
you
can't
I
mean.
C
A
M
A
And
so
that's
that's
really
what
we
want
to
know
and
I
hope
that
doesn't
end
up
coming
out
in
the
wrong
way.
The
paper
I'm
just
saying
if
you
look
at
the
population,
demographics,
if
the
city
of
Boulder
residents,
understand
and
support
this,
that
would
carry
the
day
and
that's
the
question
is:
do
you
like
this?
In
your
property
taxes
versus
the
sales
tax
I
mean
that
that
that's
got
to
be
part
of
this,
but.
J
A
J
I
mean
if
you
ask
the
city
of
Boulder
folks
well,
do
you
want
your
taxes
to
go
up
and
they
would
go
up
less
if
you
include
more
people,
they'd,
probably
say
more
people
but
but
I
think
the
the
but
I
think
and
to
the
folks
in
the
county.
If
you
talk
about
it
as
there
would
be
additional
services
as
well,
then
it's
not
just
well
you're
paying
for
something
you
get
for
free.
A
L
And
I
would
agree
with
Aaron
I
think
it's
the
services,
it's
the
improvement
in
services
that
are
gonna
reach
a
greater
number
of
people
right.
It's
how
we
serve
the
greater
number
to
the
best
of
our
ability,
and
we
have
the
opportunity
to
do
it
right
here.
You
know
it
doesn't
mean
we
need
to
do
it
in
a
slam-dunk
way,
but
I
think
we
should
really
be
careful
and
the
questions
are
important
in
the
polling.
My.
A
U
U
Last
year,
council
provided
some
input
when
they
had
initially
seen
some
previews
of
the
maps
where
individuals
were,
and
then
we
also
I
also
met
with
the
county.
They
had
an
idea
to
include
some
of
the
areas
east
and
also
some
of
the
areas
north.
So
this
map,
the
black
line,
aligns
perfectly
with
voting
precincts.
It
also
we
used
I,
can't
David
may
remember
the
name.
U
M
U
J
U
Correct
and
so
the
voting
precincts
in
the
mountains
are
pretty
odd
and
I
I
mean
again.
This
was
totally
hypothetical.
It
was
really
for
the
purposes
of
doing
the
financial
analysis
and
coming
up
with
the
assessed
values
it
could
change.
So
we
could
and
I
think
the
GIS
programmer
actually
did
a
map
where
he
included
the
reservoir
down
there,
because.
J
Yeah
I
mean
if
it
doesn't
impede
Netherlands
Library
District.
That's
not.
K
Let
me
ask
a
question
of
staff,
hopefully
we're
probably
in
some
direction
here
on
this
polling.
But
do
you
want
more
input
from
us
on
pulling
or
you
want
to
just
go
out
and
do
it
and
no.
R
I
just
have
one
question
in
terms
of
the
polling,
and
I
don't
know
if
this
is
awesome,
but
you
know
we
have
the
leg
up
and
being
able
to
sit
here
through
this
and
the
full
understanding
and
ask
as
many
questions
as
we
want.
Is
there
something
that
we
can
do
with
our
polling,
we're
prior
to
being
able
to
fill
out
the
survey?
B
A
M
To
follow
up
on
that,
when
we
did
the
comp
plan
survey,
the
second
one
was
much
more
detailed
than
the
first.
The
first
was
kind
of
general
feelings
about
issues
in
the
city,
and
the
second
was
like
had
explanatory
text
before
the
question
and
we
tried
to
make
it
with
the
picture
and
not
too
long
so
I
think
you
almost
have
to
do
what
you're
saying
and
I
think
there
are
ways
that
you
can
do
it
question
by
question
so
that
people
get
background
response,
background
response
so
anyway,
whether.
A
It's
written
whether
it's
over
the
phone
but
either
way
it
seems
to
me
like
it's
because
some
of
these
things,
like
Gramps
to
say
in
the
past
ten
years
for
the
past
20
years,
there's
been
a
funding
gap.
You
know
you
have
to
tell
them,
there's
a
gap
and
then
say:
would
you
like
to
solve
it
or
not?
You
know,
like
so
I
totally
agree
that
we
should
make
it
that
people
are
asked.
Our
answer
is
it's.
B
B
G
G
H
J
R
It's
almost
like
what
we
watched
the
other
week
with
them
the
Eco
cycle,
and
that
fantastic
video
that
they
did.
It
was
something
that
just
it
caught
the
person's
attention
and
you
could
understand
what
they
were
saying,
but
without
it
getting
so
into
the
weeds.
What
people
got
confused
because
again,
how
many
people
are
going
to
want
to
spend
their
evenings
sitting
here?
Doing
what
we're
doing?
Probably
not
that
many
and
so
giving
a
really
great
version
that
keeps
you
entertained
and
educates
you
so
that
we
have
these
polls
that
are
gonna
be
truly
valid.
C
A
D
K
K
D
Okay,
well,
I
can't
get
in
the
weeds
where,
with
the
allocations,
I
mean
we're
talking
about
millions
of
dollars.
Well,
I
know
so
I
guess
before
we
go
and
ask
about
a
tax
I
think
in
this
poll
there
also
has
to
be
a
recent
them
about
reallocation
of
our
funds.
Yeah.
K
D
Than
other
programs-
okay,
it's
gotta
be
specific,
so
I'll
just
say
it:
okay,
no
economic
vitality,
that's
something
that
the
Chamber
of
Commerce
can
be
doing.
So
they
should
I
would
propose.
We
knock
those
guys
out,
and
then
our
CVB
Bureau
I
think
we
could
reduce
them
quite
a
bit
and
take
the
funds
from
both
of
those
and
dedicate
those
into
for
library
so
and
both
that
those
services
could
be
done
very
well
by
the
Chamber.
A
J
B
We
can
do
that.
It
would
be
a
mistake,
in
my
view,
to
name
the
programs,
because
that's
your
decision
as
a
policy
matter
and
delegating
that
to
a
poll
of
people
that
don't
really
understand
the
intricacies
of
the
city
budget
is
not
fair
to
them
and
not
fair
to
you
but
you're
right.
Lisa
that
we
can
absolutely
say
one
of
the
alternatives
is
to
reallocate
existing
funding
away
from
some
programs
to
fund
the
library.
D
B
So
here's
the
problem:
there
are
many
programs
that
we
do
that
can
be
duplicated
in
the
private
sector
that
perhaps
we
would
not
want
to
have
duplicated
in
the
private
sector.
So
an
example
would
be
our
recreation
facilities.
We've
got
plenty
of
gyms
that
are
private
gyms
in
the
city,
but
nevertheless,
I
think
the
council
would
want
to
keep
our
rec
centers
operational
for
folks,
but
but
they
in
many
cities.
Those
are
private
sector
right.
A
D
M
B
B
D
C
U
Have
I
think
four
different
firms
that
Patrick
Vaughn
Kaiser
Ling
from
communication
has
identified
and
so
we'll
put
out
an
RFP
that'll.
Take
us
at
least
three
weeks
and
I
assume
we
can
probably
interview
and
hire
somebody
before
the
end
of
the
year
and
show
you
something
in
the
beginning
of
2019,
so
that
we
have
an
opportunity
to
get
it
done
before.
I
mean
conducted
in
February
right.
G
A
A
M
So
just
a
question:
that's
come
up
about
Opportunity
Zones
and
then
there's
this
other
program
that
I
pointed
out
on
the
hotline,
which
is
the
new
markets
tax
credit
program
which
affects
ten
census
tracts
within
Boulder,
most
of
which
around
the
University.
So
I
would
just
made
the
suggestion,
and
this
is
just
a
question
the
council.
Can
we
put
questions
out
here
that
we'd
like
to
have
staff
answer
or
follow
up
with
hotlines?
M
A
D
K
D
I'm
happy
to
put
them
on
hot
line,
but
I
want
I
am
very
concerned
because
I
don't
fully
understand,
what's
going
on
here
and
I,
don't
think
it's
been
adequately
explained
and
I'm
reading
different
things
from
different
journals
and
this
this
opportunity's
own
sound
in
some
case
pretty
10%
of
our
whole
city.
You
know,
and
what
can
they
do
so
I
mean
I'll.
Wait
for
my
questions,
but
I
want
to
have
this
discussion
sooner
than
later.
I
do
not
want
to
wait
till
January
8
Cindy's
not
going
to
be
here.
A
D
B
Mean
waiting,
we've
had
the
Boulder
Valley
comprehensive
plan
in
place
for
40
years.
That
tells
us
what
we
want
to
do
in
our
city
and
we've
zoned
in
accordance
with
the
Boulder
Valley
comp
plan,
so
people
developers
can't
come
in
and
just
put
anything
they
want
anywhere.
They
have
to
comply
with
our
current
zoning
and
the
Boulder
Valley
comp
plan.
So.
D
D
B
B
Was
the
planning
department
to
understand
exactly
what
the
molar
Valley
complan
says
about
that
area,
what
the
zoning
is
and
on
the
18th
if
we
bring
it
back
that
day,
we
will
have
zoning
and
comp
plan
information
for
you
to
look
at,
and
then
you
can
make
decisions
at
that
point
about
whether
or
not
you
think
there
are
areas
of
danger
in
that
particular
census
tract.
So
so.
L
What
I
am
mostly
concerned
about
is
that
this
has
is
an
opportunity
to
totally
raise
the
property
values
there
as
they
sit
on
the
ground
now,
which
will
dictate
what
happens
to
them
sort
of
regardless
of
zoning.
The
other
thing
that
I
think
is
really
important
is
whether
or
not
we
as
a
community
have
the
opportunity
to
roll
this
back
and
say
to
the
state.
Thank
you
very
much.
We
thought
we
wanted
this,
but
we
have
to
public
discussion
about
it
after
council
discussion
about
it.
We
are
thinking
differently
and
so.
D
M
So
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
this
is
one
of
ten
census
tracts
the
opportunity
zone
is
and
ten
census
tracts
are
in
this
new
markets.
Tax
credit
program,
so
I
would
also
like
to
know
when
staff
comes
back.
Did
we
apply
for
that,
or
is
that
an
automatic
designation
by
the
feds
based
on
certain
criteria,
because
that
I
know
everybody's
freaked
out
about
the
opportunity
zone
because
it
defers
and
then
eliminates
capital
gains
taxes
on
long
held
projects?
M
If
it's
only
for
affordable
housing,
then
that's
one
thing,
but
if
it's
for
any
kind
of
development,
because
those
are
also
seen
as
high
poverty
rate
zones,
even
though
what
they
really
are
is
mostly
student,
housing
and
so
I
guess
I
think
yes,
we're
freaking
about
the
opportunity
zone,
but
I'd
like
to
be
part
of
a
bigger
package
of
this
other
piece
of
federal
tax
incentives.
So
we
just
have
an
idea
of
how
they
interact
with
each
other.
D
A
B
M
Want
to
point
out
that
one
of
the
reasons
for
this
concern
is
that
Long
Island
City
had
Goldman
Sachs
come
in
right
before
the
hq2
announcement
from
Amazon
was
made,
and
so
there's
so
questions
about.
Are
these
zones
actually
being
applied
to
places
that
are
truly
down-on-their-luck
or
they
also
being
a
places
applied
to
places
that
are
going
to
be
gentrifying
on
their
own?