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perfect,
thank
you.
Is
channel
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ready
to
go
by
any
chance,
except.
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844-330-2020
tonight
we'll
be
covering
two
topics:
the
police
oversight,
implementation,
update
and
next
step
and
then
input
from
council
concerning
the
severe
weather
shelter
for
the
2021
season.
Before
we
do
so,
our
councilmember
rachael
friend
will
read
a
special
message
on
behalf
of
the
entire
council
in
honor
of
ruth
bader
ginsburg.
F
Thanks
juni,
so
I
have
been
without
wi-fi
or
reception
for
the
last
five
days,
so
I
did
not
receive
whatever
we
might
be
reading
tonight.
Does
anybody
have
something
I
didn't
get
an
updated
packet,
so
we
may
have
to
delay
until
two
weeks
if
it's
not
at
anybody's
disposal,.
D
B
B
She
was
a
champion
for
the
voter
access
laws,
as
well
as
for
women's
right
to
choose
whether
to
have
an
abortion
or
not
and
putting
women
on
equal
fitting
with
men,
and
so
it
is
a
great
loss
to
all
of
us
that
she
passed,
and
we
regret
that
that
that
happened
and
we
look
forward
to
hopefully
having
someone
replace
her
on
the
court
who
shares
their
values.
D
H
No,
I
I,
I
greatly
appreciated
having
the
opportunity
to
study
under
her,
but
I
would
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
say
she
was
as
intimidating
a
professor
as
I
ever
had
and
she
would
look
down
at
her
chart
of
the
attendees
in
the
class
and
the
scariest
words
I
ever
heard
were
when
she
would
look
up
and
say,
mr
wallock,
and
it
was,
but
it
was
an
honor
to
be
in
her
class
and-
and
I
reiterate
what
sam
said
she
was.
H
D
Thank
you
for
your
reflection,
mark
and
and
and
sam
now
we
will
move
on
to
the
next
step
or
the
next
part
of
our
presentation
here,
and
I
will
turn
into
the
meeting
over
to
jane
or
city
manager
to
kick
off
the
presentations.
G
Thank
you,
council,
member
joseph,
so
this
part
of
the
presentation
will
be
started
by
our
new
independent
police.
Monitor
who,
I
know
you
all
have
met.
Joey,
lapari
and
joey
has
been
working
with
our
oversight
task
force.
So
joey,
do
you
want
to
introduce
your
team.
I
Absolutely
so
good
evening.
Everyone
thank
you
all
for
having
this
on
the
agenda
and
for
your
ongoing
interest
and
support
for
the
oversight
ordinance.
So
as
as
jane
said,
my
name's
joseph
lapari,
the
other
presenters
tonight,
will
be
todd.
Conklin
see
you
on
your
screen
and
michelle
denae,
both
todd
and
michelle
are
members
of
the
current
implementation
team
and
have
been
both
working
hard
very
hard
to
get
this
across.
The
finish
line
so
looks
like
we
have
a
presentation
all
right.
I
Michelle
will
review
with
you
the
monitor
panel,
hybrid,
that
the
implementation
team
ultimately
decided
on
and
she'll
also
review
with
you.
Some
of
the
other
options
that
were
looked
at
I'll.
Take
a
few
minutes
then,
to
update
you
on
sort
of
the
progress
of
the
implementation
team
and
give
you
a
sense
of
the
the
work
that
they've
been
doing.
I
The
very
diligent
persistent
work
that
they've
been
doing
and
then
we'll
hand
it
over
to
todd
and
todd
will
cover
the
different
roles
of
the
various
entities
involved
in
this
process
and
then
he'll
walk
you
through
a
procedural
flow
chart
to
show
you
how
the
the
process
is
going
to
work.
I
J
Hello,
everybody
thank
you
so
much
for
being
here
tonight.
There's
some
new
faces
that
I'm
happy
to
see
and
some
rejoining
faces
that
I'm
also
happy
to
see.
So
much
has
happened
I
feel
like,
since
we
were
all
in
the
same
room
together.
So
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
being
here
and
for
your
time
before
I
get
into
slide
city.
J
J
So
I'll
continue
into
my
first
slide
a
reminder
of
our
goals.
The
task
force
was
to
develop
an
oversight
model
independent
from
the
police
department
to
better
analyze,
police
department
trends
and
policies,
procedural
improvements
regarding
complaint,
filing
investigation,
monitoring
and
community
oversight
of
investigation
outcomes,
so,
instead
of
people
sitting
around
feeling
voiceless,
they
feel
like
they
are
in
fact
heard
and
a
part
of
the
process.
J
J
Here
we
have
something
that
was
sort
of
the
focus
of
our
work
over
the
last
I
feel
like
the
last
six
months
counts
for
two
years,
so
I'm
gonna
say
three
years
in
order
to
build
equity,
you
have
to
start
with
trust
and
through
equity.
You
can
build
transparency
in
order
to
build
transparency,
you
have
to
have
a
means
of
timeliness
and
things
getting
turned
around
to
where
people
feel
like
there's,
accountability
and
through
accountability.
You
have
trust
and
round
and
round
we
go
building
a
stronger
community
next
slide.
J
J
The
three
main
models
are
as
follows:
investigation
focused,
which
means
that
an
outside
entity
is
coming
in
and
reviewing
an
investigation,
usually
after
the
fact,
and
can
be
costly
depending
on
the
needs
of
the
community
and
has
its
own
pros
and
cons
that
we
weighed
and
then
there's
review
focused,
which
means
that
after
the
fact,
there's
a
board
of
community
members
that
is
reviewing
a
case
and
sort
of
making
commentary
to
the
chief
or
to
the
public.
J
J
J
We
like
the
idea
of
opening
doors
for
complaints
being
received
outside
of
the
police
department,
so
they
can
be
received
through
the
monitor's
office
and
communicated
to
the
department.
Accordingly,
the
monitor
will
establish
direct
relationships
with
community
members,
both
those
feeling,
underrepresented
or
disenfranchised,
and
those
who
would
like
to
better
get
to
know
the
neighbors.
J
I
I
Thank
you
michelle.
I
thought.
I
Michelle's
portion
of
the
presentation
was
helpful
to
try
to
sort
of
remind
us
what
sort
of
issues
and
decisions
have
been
thought
through
up
to
this
point,
and
now
I
want
to
take
a
moment
just
to
kind
of
pause
and
and
highlight
the
the
the
really
difficult
work
that
this
entire
implementation
team
has
been
engaged
in
over
the
past
almost
two
years
for
some
of
them
now,
and
you
know
anytime,
you're
talking
about
policing,
you're
talking
about
race,
you're
gonna
have
just
inherently
difficult
conversations,
difficult
issues
to
work
through,
and
I.
I
All
the
folks
that
have
been
involved
in
this
process,
I
think,
have
demonstrated
a
commitment
to
not
only
their
community
but
just
persistence
in
the
pursuit
of
justice,
and
I
think
they
should
be
thanked
for
that
and
really
applauded
for
the
work
that
they've
been
doing
next
slide.
Please.
I
I
just
wanted
to
share
a
few
images
with
all
of
you
from
this
two-year
process
that
many
of
these
folks
have
been
through.
I
had
access
to
an
archive
collection
of
photos
that
I
was
able
to
go
through
and
really
see
visually.
You
know
the
the
meetings
and
the
work
that
had
been
done
before
I
arrived
and
again
I
think
you
can
look
at
these
pictures
and
sort
of
see
the
the
both
the
camaraderie,
but
also
you
know
they
were
engaged
in
some
some
intense
discussions.
I
There
were
disagreements
that
they
had
to
work
through
and
going
through
the
archive
pictures.
There
were
so
many
of
these
large
post-it
note
images
that
you
see
in
there
in
the
middle,
and
you
could
literally
see
them
thinking
through
the
process
and
documenting
the
their
own
thought
process,
and
so
I
think
that
was
really
valuable
that
they
went
through
that
process.
I
These
entities
are
unique
to
each
city.
You
can't
just
take
one
and
copy
it
from
one
city
and
paste
it
into
another
city.
You
really
have
to
go
through
this
process
to
build
your
own
oversight
mechanism,
and
these
folks
did
that,
and
I
just
wanted
to
thank
them
again
and
sort
of
honor
their
the
hard
work
that
they
they
did
and
I
should
say
I
think
they
had
some
fun
along
the
way
too.
It
wasn't
just
doom
and
gloom
and
difficulty.
I
think
that's
that
should
be
mentioned
as
well.
I
Please
I
I
also
just
wanted
to
use
a
couple
of
quotes.
I
thought
that
sort
of
for
me
encapsulated
what
I
observed
with
this
implementation
team
over
time.
The
first
one
is
from
helen
keller.
She
said
until
the
great
mass
of
the
people
shall
be
filled
with
a
sense
of
responsibility
for
each
other's
welfare.
Social
justice
could
never
be
attained
when
I
came
across
that
quote,.
G
I
Really
struck
me
as
wow:
that's
that's
really.
What
this
group
of
people
did
they
this
implementation
team?
They
came
together
in
the
interest
of
other
people's
welfare
and
in
the
interest
of
their
their
fellow
community
members,
and
I
think
that
you
know
needs
to
be
recognized
and
appreciated.
I
Secondly,
for
marianne
wright
edelman,
she
said
the
challenge
of
social
justice
is
to
evoke
a
sense
of
community
that
we
need
to
make
our
nation
a
better
place,
just
as
we
make
it
a
safer
place
and
that
that
quote
there
I
think,
encapsulates
the
the
balancing
act
that
any
group
that
is
doing
a
reform
mechanism.
I
Creating
a
reform
mechanism
in
the
realm
of
policing
has
to
keep
in
mind
that
yes,
we're
here
to
make
the
the
nation,
the
country
a
better
place,
make
our
communities
a
better
place,
but
we're
also
working
for
public
safety
here,
and
I
think
you
know
maintaining
that
commitment
to
public
safety
at
the
same
time
that
you're
making
your
community
better
is
is
an
important
balance
to
strike
and
they've
done
that
I
believe.
I
Lastly,
from
an
unknown
author,
I
really
like
this
quote,
because
I
think
it
demonstrates
exactly
what
the
overall
process
that
this
this
implementation
team,
this
group
of
folks
went
through
reform
is
not
an
idea
we
implement.
Rather,
reform
is
something
produced
by
the
interactions
between
groups,
which
comes
to
have
meaning
through
institutions,
and
that's.
I
We
had
a
diverse
group
of
folks
with
different
backgrounds,
different
professional
experiences,
some
police,
some,
not
some
civilians,
but
they
all
came
together,
brought
their
experiences
together
and
built
a
new
institution
that
that
captures
the
values
that
they
shared
together.
And
so
you
know
this
is
it's
it
shouldn't
go.
I
You
know
without
remark
that
the
the
the
commitment
that
is
required
to
get
through
this
process-
I've
been
a
part
of
these
processes
in
other
cities
and
seen
lots
of
people
kind
of
come
and
go,
and
I
just
really
want
to
thank
the
implementation
team
for
the
commitment
that
they
demonstrated
and
how
they,
you
know,
came
up
with
a
you
know,
very
workable
and
good
mechanism
that
is
going
to
bring
transparency
and
increased
accountability
on
behalf
of
the
public
in
boulder.
I
So
with
that,
I
will
turn
it
over
to
todd
who
will
take
you
through
some
of
the
specific
roles
of
each
entity
and
the
float
chart
todd.
L
L
It's
good
to
be
with
all
of
you
tonight.
I've
been
here
several
times
before
doing
these
update
presentations,
so
I
haven't
had
the
chance
to
meet
all
of
you
because
of
the
pandemic.
Unfortunately,
but
it's
good
to
be
here
with
you
tonight
so
here
on
this
slide,
we
see
the
four
different
institutions
that
will
all
be
working
together
in
some
capacity
in
this
police
reform
process
so
beginning
at
the
top,
with
the
role
of
the
monitor.
Obviously,
we
have
here
with
us
tonight
our
monitor
joey
by
pari
he's
done
a
great
job.
L
We
have
a
very
good
relationship
with
him
and
we're
very
happy
to
have
him
so
what
you
know
just
to
quickly
go
through
the
role
of
the
monitor
here,
it
would
be
to
receive,
classify
and
route
the
complaints
once
those
complaints
are
received
upon
that
upon
receiving
classifying
and
routing
those
complaints,
he
would
also
oversee
the
investigation
that
is
being
performed
by
the
internal
affairs
department
within
the
boulder
police
department.
The
internal
affairs
department
is
that
department
within
the
boulder
police
department-
that's
actually
doing
the
investigation,
so
the
monitor
would
be
there
to
oversee
it.
L
Make
sure
everything's
being
done
responsibly
fairly
and
thoroughly,
so
the
monitor
would
also
be
working
with
a
community
oversight
panel
in
presenting
the
finalized
case
to
them
answering
any
questions
that
they
might
have
in
working
with
them
and
kind
of
helping
them
through
that
process.
So
that
brings
us
to
the
next
kind
of
institution
that
we've
built
in
this
process,
which
is
the
community
oversight
panel.
So
the
community
oversight
panel
would
be
reviewing
completed
internal
affairs
investigations,
so
the
community
oversight
panel
would
have
the
authority
to
decide
which
cases
that
they
would
select.
L
They
are
not
required
to
select
all
of
them,
but
we
imagine
that
they
realistically
would
because
these
would
be
pretty
serious
cases
and
that's
what
this
panel
is
designed
to
do
so
upon
reviewing
that
case,
they
would
work
with
a
monitor.
Monitor,
would
help
them
work
through
these
tough
questions
answer
any
questions
that
they
might
have
once
they
feel
complete.
With
that
process,
they
would
issue
a
recommendation
to
the
chief
of
police
regarding
that
case.
L
Furthermore,
they
can
also
select
policy
and
procedure
areas
to
be
studied
by
the
monitor
for
possible
areas
and
avenues
of
reform.
Furthermore,
they
would
also
evaluate
the
office
of
the
monitor
itself
in
order
to
provide
an
internal
accountability
mechanism
there
going
to
keep
things
moving
growing
and
going
forward
the
next
and
third
institution
that
actually
already
existed
it
predated.
Our
work
is
the
office
of
the
professional
standards
unit.
So
another
way
to
think
about
this
office
is
there's
essentially
the
internal
affairs
department
of
the
boulder
police
department.
L
So,
if
you
hear
me
use
the
phrase
internal
affairs
or
professional
standards
unit
functionally
that's
the
same
thing.
This
is
the
office
that
is
actually
investigating
a
complaint
against
an
officer
once
that
complaint
is
filed,
so
the
professional
standards
unit
and
the
monitor
are
going
to
have
a
very
close
relationship
by
definition,
they're
going
to
be
working
together
very
closely.
L
All
right
so
looking
at
this
flow
chart
here,
I
know
the
text
is
probably
very
small,
but
this
is
the
complaint
procedure,
so
I'm
not
gonna
read
through
the
whole
thing,
but
I
will
take
you
step
by
step
through
each
step
in
this
process
of
where
the
complaint
would
go.
So
if
you
have
any
questions,
I
would
be
more
than
happy
to
answer
them
at
the
end
of
this
presentation,
because
I
know
that
this
can
be
kind
of
a
complex
process
here.
So
the
first
step
is
that
there
would
be
a
complaint.
L
So
someone,
a
community
member,
is
unhappy
with
how
something's
done-
or
maybe
it's
an
officer
saw
something
that
they
thought
need
to
be
reported.
They
would
file
that
complaint
now.
There
are
two
ways
that
that
complaint
can
be
filed.
The
complaint
can
number
one
be
filed
with
the
monitor
themselves,
so
that
complaint
can
be
filed
via
an
email,
a
phone
call.
They
can
file
it
online
in
a
dropbox.
They
can
walk
into
the
monitor's
office
and
file
it.
L
We
try
to
keep
that
as
expansive
as
possible
to
make
everyone
feel
welcome
enough
to
file
the
complaint,
because
some
people
might
be
more
comfortable
with
anybody
all
or
some
people
might
just
want
to
walk
in
the
office
or
give
a
phone
call.
That's
why
we
have
so
many
options
there.
The
second
way
to
file
the
complaint
is
that
they
can
go
to
the
boulder
police
department
themselves.
You
know
same
thing
there
they
could
do
a
phone
call,
they
can
go
in
person,
however,
they
want
to
do
that.
L
They
can
also
file
it
with
the
boulder
police
department.
So
the
important
thing
here
is
that
these
two
entities
will
communicate
with
each
other
within
24
hours.
Once
they
have
received
a
complaint,
the
monitor
receives
the
complaint.
They
will
notify
the
internal
affairs
division.
If
the
internal
affairs
division
receives
the
complaint
same
thing,
they
will
notify
the
monitor
within
24
hours.
L
So
moving
on
to
step
two
once
that
happens,
the
oversight
panel
will
be
notified,
that
a
complaint
has
been
filed
and
they
will
be
given
a
general
description
of
what
that
complaint
is.
They
are
not
going
to
be
given
regular
updates
regarding
the
investigation
at
this
point,
and
the
reason
for
that
is,
you
do
not
want
to
bias
the
panel
against
any
of
the
parties
at
this
stage.
You
don't
want
to
inundate
them
with
every
nuanced
detail.
L
So
moving
forward
to
step
three
once
that
has
been
done,
the
ia
sergeant
will
conduct
the
investigation.
The
monitor
will
oversee
this
process,
provide
guidance
if
needed,
and
that's
pretty
much
step
three
in
that
one,
not
a
lot,
not
too
much
complicated
there.
Moving
on
to
step,
four,
the
internal
affairs
sergeant
will
have
completed
their
investigation,
so
once
the
internal
affairs
sergeant
has
completed
that
investigation
that
the
results-
and
you
know
that
completed
investigation
is
then
given
up
through
the
command
staff
of
the
boulder
police
department.
L
So
we
go,
you
know
to
a
sergeant
a
commander
and
a
deputy
chief,
I
believe,
is
the
process
there
and
the
reason
that
they
do.
That
is
because
it
provides
an
internal
accountability
mechanism
within
the
boulder
police
department
and
kind
of
creates
an
accountability
culture
there,
which
we
believe
is
a
very
good
thing,
and
so
they
would
be
kind
of
making
a
recommendation
saying.
L
Then
we
get
to
step
five,
which
is
the
monitor,
would
provide
recommendations
regarding
the
investigation
kind
of
what
they
thought
about
the
whole
thing.
Once
that
happens,
the
case
will
then
be
given
to
the
oversight
panel,
and
the
oversight
panel
would
vote
on
whether
or
not
they
want
to
accept
that
case.
If
they
do
accept
that
case,
you
know
they
would
read
through
it
in
a
confidential
setting,
they
would
discuss
it
among
themselves
if
they
have
any
questions,
they
are
free
to
ask
the
internal
affairs
sergeant
and
the
monitor
about
any
questions.
L
You
know
like
what's
happening
here.
Do
you
think
you
need
to
look
into
this
area
a
little
bit
more?
Could
you
explain
this
to
us
we're
a
bit
confused
on
this
area
and
once
they
feel
complete
with
that
process,
they
would
then
make
a
recommendation
to
the
chief
of
police
and
then
give
that
case
to
the
chief,
which
brings
us
to
step
seven.
L
The
chief
would
then
read
through
that
read
the
recommendations
that
all
these
other
parties
have
given
and
they
would
make
that
final
determination
on
the
case,
so
the
authority
for
final
determination
still
rests
with
the
chief
of
police.
Once
the
chief
has
made
that
final
determination,
they
would
then
inform
the
original
complainant
and
the
party
they
would
inform
all
the
relevant
parties.
What
has
happened
and
what
the
resolution
is.
After
that,
the
monitor
would
also
then
talk
to
the
complainant
saying
you
know.
L
I
Thank
you.
Todd
appreciate
that
go
to
the
next
slide,
please,
okay!
So
now
I'll
take
you
through
sort
of
the
various
categories
of
revisions
or
really
say
revisions,
but
it
really
was
more
of
a
fleshing
out
or
completion
of
the
the
initial
ordinance.
So
our
first
category
is
complaint
and
investigations
process.
I
We
made
some
language
clarifications
to
make
it
absolutely
clear
that
all
civilian
complaints
will
be
received,
classified
and
reviewed
by
the
monitor,
there's
some
initial
language
in
the
ordinance.
It
was
only
if
they
were
indicated
that
the
monitor
would
review
it
only
if
it
was
filed
with
the
monitor
and
that
that
wasn't
exactly
the
intention
of
the
implementation
team,
so
the
monitor
will
be
able
to
see
any
complaint,
whether
it's
filed
with
the
monitor
or
with
the
police
department.
I
The
monitor
will
observe
interviews
and
recommend
additional
investigation
if
warranted.
There
was
some
discussion
around
these
areas
in
regards
to
observing
interviews.
I
It
was
initially
worded
as
participate
in
interviews,
but
through
additional
discussion
we
felt
that
that
was
sort
of
an
impossible
position
to
put
the
monitor
in
to
both
be
in
it
to
operate
as
an
investigator
and
then
have
to
come
around
and
review
the
investigation,
that's
sort
of
inherently
a
conflict,
and
so
we
kept
the
monitor
in
the
the
interviews,
but
in
an
observation
role,
not
in
a
investigative
sort
of
questioning
role
and
then
around
recommending
additional
investigation.
I
There
was
some
discussion
around
making
that
stronger,
potentially
to
recom
to
require
additional
investigation,
ultimately,
where
the
implementation
teams,
what
the
implementation
team
settled
on,
was
to
recommend
additional
investigation,
but
we
also
created
a
mechanism
where
it's
not
just
a
one-time
recommendation,
so
the
monitor
will
make
the
recommendation
to
the
internal
affairs
sergeant
to
for
additional
investigation.
If,
if
the
internal
affairs
or
sergeant
rejects
that
recommendation,
the
monitor
can
then
make
the
recommendation
to
the
chief,
and
that
is
done
in
writing.
And
then
the
chief's
response
is
in
writing.
I
If
the
chief
refuses
or
rejects
that
recommendation,
then
the
monitor
can
appeal
to
the
city
manager
and
recommend
that
another
angle
of
investigation
be
carried
out
and
then
the
city
manager
would
make
that
final
determination
in
those
cases.
I
don't
expect
that
to
that
last
one
to
be
a
a
common
issue.
I
think
that
would
be
very
rare
indeed,
the
last
portion
on
this
slide
we
wanted.
I
We
are
adding
we've
added
some
clarification
language
just
to
make
it
absolutely
clear
that
the
monitor
and
the
panel's
review
and
recommendations
occur
prior
to
the
chief
of
police
decision,
the
decision
made
by
by
the
chief
so
that
they
can
get
that
those
recommendations
in
a
timely
way.
I
Application
selection
and
removal
process
we
just
needed
to
flesh
out
what
this
was
going
to
look
like
how
people
were
going
to
apply
to
be
on
the
panel,
how
they
were
going
to
be
selected
and
potentially
removed.
If
that
needed
to
happen,
and
so
consistent
with
the
city's
overall
commitment
to
racial
equity,
the
implementation
team
wanted
to
make
sure
that
there
were
there
weren't
any
unnecessary
barriers
to
people
applying
to
become
a
panel
member,
and
so
the
the
the
barriers
are
low
there.
There
are
no
barriers.
I
I
basically
just
have
to
make
a
phone
call
or
send
an
email
to
indicate
your
your
interest
once
you've
indicated
your
interest,
the
current
implementation,
the
way
the
implementation
team
is
proposing
that
this
will
work
is
that
the
implementation
team
members,
the
current
implementation
team
members
who
are
not
interested
in
being
on
the
oversight
panel,
will
partner
with
two
local
non-profits
to
select
to
interview
and
select
the
panel
members,
and
this
this
will
be
a
fairly
intensive
interview
process.
I
Where
you
know
the
panel
members
will
be
able
to
ask
any
questions,
they
want
and
you
know,
really
get
to
know
the
person
get
to
know
their
their
their
background,
their
perspective
and
then
once
the
that
selection
panel
makes
their
selection
of
who
they
want
on
the
oversight
panel.
Those
names
will
then
go
to
the
city
council,
as
proposed
here,
and
the
council
will
vote
individually
on
each
each
proposed
or
prospective
panel
member
to
whether
to
approve
their
appointment
or
not.
I
Similarly,
if
the
oversight
panel
has
cause
to
need
to
remove
a
fellow
oversight
panel
member
either
because
they
violated
the
confidentiality
agreement,
which
I'll
talk
about
in
just
a
minute
or
they
just
fail
to
perform
their
duties,
they
don't
they
don't
show
up
for
meetings,
don't
participate
in
the
case
reviews.
The
rest
of
the
panel
can
actually
vote
them
them
off
the
the
panel
if
that
were
to
occur,
those
removals.
Those
votes
to
remove
would
also
go
before
the
city
council
and
the
council
would
then
approve
or
confirm
that
removal.
I
I
should
say
that,
once
the
initial
oversight
panel
is
seated,
the
way
this
this
ordinance
is
proposing
would
be
that
the
exit,
the
seat
this,
the
existing
oversight
panel,
will
work
with
we'll
partner
with
two
local
non-profits,
just
like
the
implementation
team
does
in
the
initial
stage,
but
in
the
future
the
oversight
panel
will
work
with
the
non-profit
to
interview
and
select
members
for
council's
approval.
I
Next
slide,
please
in
terms
regarding
the
terms
of
service.
We,
the
implementation
team
settled
on
11
panel
members,
two
of
which
will
be
designated
as
a
specific
student
seats.
These
could
be
any
student
in
higher
education,
whether
it
be
cu,
naropa
or
any
other
university
or
college.
In
the
in
the
area.
We
thought
it
was
important
to
ensure
that
we
incorporated
college
students
into
this
process,
partly
because
this
process
was
sort
of
kicked
off
because
of
an
interaction
with
a
college
student.
I
I
If
we
had
a
particularly
three
year
term
for
students
that
would
pretty
much
eliminate
seniors
and
probably
juniors
from
participating,
we'd
only
get
freshmen
and
maybe
sophomores
applying
to
this,
and
so
we
wanted
to
make
sure
we
opened
this
up
to
all
classes
of
students
and
including
grad
students,
and
so
we
thought
one
year
was
reasonable
for
students,
given
their
sort
of
inherently
transitory
nature,
graduating
moving
on,
but
we'll
also
have
a
two-term
maximum,
both
for
the
the
the
non-student
members
who
will
have
three-year
terms
and
the
student
members
who
will
have
one
year
term
so
maximum
of
six
years
for
non-students
in
two
years
for
students
next
slide.
I
I
We
also
needed
to
create
a
process
where
the
oversight
panel
could
hear,
hear,
reviews
of
cases
and
the
details
of
cases
in
confidence
in
in
a
in
a
confidential
setting.
The
reason
for
this
is
fairly
obvious,
but
you
know
in
these
cases
you
often
have
privacy
concerns.
You
have
juveniles,
who
may
be
a
part
of
these
cases,
and
so
you
know
you
have
to
have
a
sort
of
protected
confidential
setting
to
openly
discuss
these,
and
so
we
created
two
different
meetings.
I
We
had
initially
the
the
ordinance
just
had
a
public
meeting
and
directed
the
monitor
to
sort
of
discuss
all
the
details
of
the
cases
in
public
that
we
we
decided
just
wasn't
workable.
It
wasn't
in
anyone
anyone's
interest
and
so
we'll
have
public
meetings
where
we
report
out
on
sort
of
summary
information
about
sort
of
the
number
of
cases
that
are
under
investigation.
How
long
they've
been
under
investigation.
I
What
types
of
allegations
it
includes
to
give
the
public
some
sense
of
what
what
is
happening
in
the
process,
but
when
we,
when
the
implementation
team,
discusses
the
actual
case
itself,
we'll
go
into
a
close
meeting
to
protect
the
complainant
and
the
officer's
confidentiality
once
the
case
is
closed
and
it's
completed
the
board
and
the
monitor
are
required
by
the
ordinance
to
report
out
on
on
that
case,
but
that's
after
it's
closed
and
then
everything
is
completed.
I
As
I've
indicated,
there
will
be
a
confidentiality
agreement
that
wasn't
a
part
of
the
initial
ordinance,
and
this
is
just
to
protect
the
the,
as
I
said,
the
the
privacy
of
the
complainants
and
to
ensure
the
integrity
of
the
process
next
slide.
Please.
I
Lastly,
the
ordinance
did
direct
us
did
direct
the
implementation
team
to
create
a
mediation
process.
The
implementation
team
discussed
this
and
felt
that
it
would
be
better
to
put
that
in
the
operations
manual
once
that,
once
the
oversight
panel
was
created,
let
that
oversight
panel
create
the
mediation
process
and
then
put
it
in
their
operations.
Manual.
Mediation
processes
can
be
things
that
kind
of
evolve
and
develop
over
time,
and
so
you
wouldn't
want
to
put
the
specific
language
of
that
process
in
the
ordinance.
I
Then
you'd
have
to
go
back
to
the
ordinance
every
time
you
wanted
to
adjust
the
mediation
process,
and
I
should
say
this
once
this
is
created.
It
will
replace
the
existing
conflict
facilitation
process
that
is
within
the
police
department
currently,
and
so
we'll
create
this
mediation
process
outside
of
the
department,
but
that
officers
and
compliance
can
engage
in
when
they
feel
it's
appropriate.
I
M
I
As
you
know,
we
have
the
first
reading
of
the
ordinance
coming
up
in
october
and
then
followed
in
november
by
the
second
reading
and
the
public
hearing
next
slide
and
so
we're
at
the
question
portion
of
the
presentation.
Now
we
just
want
to
open
this
up
to
the
council.
Give
you
and
I'll
give
all
of
you
an
opportunity
to
ask
us
any
questions.
You
have
about
the
ordinance
about
the
revisions.
I
D
Thank
you
very
much
julie
for
this
wonderful
presentation,
and
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
students
are
included
as
part
of
the
presentations.
It's
very
thoughtful
and
thank
you
so
much.
We
have
several
council
members
with
questions.
We'll
start
with
sam
I
saw
aaron
was
next
then
mark
and
then
rachel.
So
please
go
ahead.
Sam.
B
Every
night
once
so,
thank
you
joey
for
the
great
presentation
into
the
task
force
for
all
the
work
that
you
put
in.
This
is
a
really
remarkable
piece
of
work,
and
so
I
look
forward
to
discussing
it
after
the
questions
are
over.
My
first
question
has
to
do
with
the
application
process.
It.
It
indicated
that
barriers
will
be
low
and
that
folks
just
need
to
indicate
their
interest
through
one
of
many
channels.
B
What
would
what
would
the
process
be
after
that?
So
one
question
I
have:
would
additional
written
application
materials
be
accepted,
or
will
it
all
be
based
on
interviews,
and
if
it's
going
to
be
interviews,
will
the
questions
in
the
interviews
be
standardized,
so
you
can
get
those
one
at
a
time,
but
I
was
just
wanting
more
detail
about
how
that
application
process
might
work.
I
Sure,
I
think
the
way
the
implementation
team
has
proposed
it
is
that
there
wouldn't
be
any
sort
of
written
application
process.
It
would
be
largely
interview
based
and
that
that
was
intentional.
We
discussed
the
idea
of
submitting
resumes
of
submitting
application
letters,
but
they
did
not
want
to,
and
I
want
to
speak
for
the
implementation
team
folks,
if
you
guys
want
to
chime
in
please
please
jump
in.
J
I
I
would
say,
since
you're
all
familiar
with
the
process
very
similar
to
how
this
task
force
was
created.
There
was
no
formal
application,
it
was
very
much
a
letter
of
interest
and
in
order
to
remove
barriers,
we
just
didn't
want
to
say
that
it
had
to
be
a
letter.
If
that's
an
obstacle,
then
we
could
facilitate
a
phone
application
or
something
to
this
effect,
sort
of
open
those
doors
for
differently.
Abled
people.
L
And
to
add
to
that
councilman
weaver.
Just
to
add
to
that
we
intend
for
that
oral
interview,
section
section
to
be
a
very
rigorous
process.
You
know
it's
going
to
be
a
very
thorough
process,
so
what
I
think
a
lot
of
questions
that
might
have
come
up
in
a
written
interview
processes
will
come
up
in
that
oral
review
process
to
make
sure
that
we
get
to
know
who
those
applicants
are
on
a
very
deep
level.
B
Great
and
I'll
go
to
the
last
point:
will
the
interview
questions
be
standardized,
so
one
of
the
things
that
is
the
case
with
interviews
is
sometimes
you've
got
lots
of
standard
questions
and
then
some
answers
bring
up
more
questions,
and
so
I
was
just
kind
of
curious
what
the
thinking
was
about
how
to
how
to
be
fair
and
equitable,
because
you
might
have
an
applicant
who's
very
good
on
their
feet
and
very
good
in
an
interview
process,
but
maybe
less
qualified
or
have
less
lived
experience
than
somebody
who
isn't
quite
as
good
an
interview
process
who
might
interview
poorly
but
might
have
a
lot
of
experience
would
be
helpful.
B
I
Absolutely-
and
I
don't
think
we've
we
haven't
actually
talked
about
what
those
questions
are
going
to
look
like,
but
I
I
do.
I
think
it's
fair
to
presume
that
it
would
be
step.
There
would
be
standardized
questions
to
make
sure
that
the
the
panel
gets
makes
ensures
that
they,
you
know,
do
their
due
diligence
on
key
issues.
I
But
then,
as
you
said,
responses
to
questions
can
raise
other
questions,
and
so
there'll
have
to
be
a
little
room
for
give
and
take
there
and
to
ask
questions
that
arise
based
on
the
person's
responses
and
answers.
But
I
would
expect
that
there
will
be
a
standardized
set
of
questions
to
get
at
least
get.
It
started
to
make
sure
that
it's
fair
as
well.
B
Very
good,
thank
you
all
and
then
my
only
other
question
is
you
mentioned
that
nonprofit
organizations
will
be
involved
in
the
selection
process?
I
They
have
not
been
selected
yet
that
will
that
will
involve
a
subsequent
conversation
once
the
ordinance
is
actually
passed,
then
that-
and
that's
decided
on
that
that
will
be
the
mechanism
they
will.
The
implementation
team
will
have
to
have
that
return
to
that
discussion
and
flesh
that
out
a
little
further.
B
J
Discuss
having
this
in
the
ordinance
and
decided
to
stay
away
from
that,
we
had
used
the
language,
had
a
history
of
serving
the
community
and
having
serving
ideally
an
emphasis
on
serving
underrepresented
groups.
So
we
didn't
want
to
say
you'd
had
to
you
had
to
be
established
for
10
years
or
20
years,
because
then
one
of
them
could
have
closed
and
another
one
could
have
opened.
So
we
would
wanted
to
be
a
demonstrated
history
of
serving,
but
not
necessarily
have
it
be
too
finite
to
where
we
were
going
to
exclude
or
yeah.
H
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you
all
for
that
presentation.
It
really
was
very,
very
good.
I
just
have
a
couple
of
sort
of
technical
questions.
The
first
is:
how
did
you
get
to
11
members
as
as
the
proper
size
of
the
of
the
board
yeah.
I
I
think
we
started
off
discussing
nine.
I
think
that
1.12
was
proposed.
It
was
really
kind
of
discussing
going
through
sort
of
the
practicalities
of
it.
I
think
it's,
it's
probably
best
to
try
to
aim
for
an
odd
number.
In
case
you
have
votes,
you
don't
have
split
votes.
I
I
H
Obviously,
I'm
going
to
defer
to
you
on
that,
but
it
seems
like
a
very
large
group
and
perhaps
a
little
unwieldy
and
are
you
sending
to
council
the
exact
number
of
candidates
for
the
board?
Now
we
are,
we
said,
are
we
ratifying
or
are
we
making
any
kind
of
selection
and
the
follow-up
question
for
that
is
if,
in
the
unlikely
event
that
we
said
one
candidate
is,
is
manifestly
inappropriate
for
the
position?
I
Right
so,
and
then
I'll
take
the
second
question.
First
in
that
instance,
that
individual
would
just
not
be
placed
on
on
the
panel
and
the
other
members
that
would
have
been
proposed
and
approved
would
move
forward.
I
Yeah
yeah,
absolutely
that
one
would
be
rejected
and
then
the
the
selection
panel
would
have
to
meet
again
to
identify
another
person
to
send
to
you
and.
I
So
the
monitor
could
will
communicate
the
monitor's
recommendations
to
the
chief
separately
from
the
the
panel,
and
so
they
could.
They
can
disagree,
but
I'll.
B
I
To
bring
all
these
different
entities
that
are
making
these
recommendations
to
the
chief
largely
to
consensus,
is
the
department's
adoption
and
the
chief's
adoption
of
a
disciplinary
matrix,
which
is
going
to
sort
of
lay
out
what
these
options
are
for
various
forms
of
discipline,
and
so
the
the
oversight
panel
will
have
that
the
I'll
I
will
have
that
and
so
we'll
all
be
sort
of
working
from
the
same
set
of
expectations.
M
I
do
yes
thank
you,
jenny
and
thanks
very
much
joey
and
todd
and
michelle
for
your
presentations
and
for
all
of
your
work
on
this
todd.
Michelle
you've
been
at
this
a
long
time,
really
appreciate
all
the
effort
you
put
into
this
very
careful
thought
and
we're
getting
close
to
the
finish
line.
It's
great
to
see
so
sam
and
mark
asked
several
of
my
questions.
M
C
Not
technically
so
the
actually
under
the
law,
the
only
body
that
has
to
meet
publicly
is
the
council
as
a
policy
matter.
We
extend
that
to
all
boards
and
commission.
This
is
not
a
border
commission
under
the
charter,
so
there
really
is
no
law
or
requirement.
They
have
to
comply
with
the
open
meetings.
Act
and
luis
toro
is
also
on
the
call
and
he's
thought
about
this
more
than
I
am.
If
he
has
anything
to
add
I'd
appreciate
it.
K
Yeah
thanks:
we
did
look
at
that
pretty
carefully.
K
Basically,
tom
already
laid
out
the
the
legal
background
and
the
the
other
concern,
though,
is
that
we're
going
to
be
discussing
or
the
oversight
panels
we'll
be
discussing
confidential
personnel
matters
and
that's
something
that
we
strongly
believe
should
not
be
over
the
panel.
You
know
the
group
strongly
believed
was
not
appropriate
for
the
public.
We,
they
spent
a
lot
of
time,
balancing
the
the
desire
for
transparency
with
the
need
to
protect.
K
You
know
the
confidential
information
of
city
employees.
So
that's
the
compromise.
Basically,
so
the
the
the
way
it
was
written
is
is
most
of
the
proceedings
will
be
public,
but
when
they're
discussing
specific
cases
and
naming
names
that
should
not
be
public
was
the
determination
of
the
panel
and
tom
already
laid
out
that
the
you
know
the
the
open
meetings,
law
and
and
our
city
charter
provision
about
executive
sessions
for
council.
Don't
don't
apply
to
this
group.
M
That's
right,
yeah!
No,
I
totally
understand
the
rationale
for
why
you
would
want
to
do
a
closed
session,
so
that
makes
sense
to
me
just
to
understand
that
a
little
better
is
it
really
a
matter
of
choice
that
we
fully
apply
the
open
meetings
law
to
our
boards
and
commissions,
or
is
that
not
required
by
law.
C
Choice
and
tradition:
yes,
aaron,
the
the
the
open
meetings
applies
only
to
governing
bodies
and
those
are
clearly
not
but
because
they're
advisory
to
counsel
and
the
tradition
in
boulder
and
the
strong
language
and
the
charter.
That
says
all
meetings
shall
be
open,
doesn't
say
that
about
voids
and
commissions.
But
we
apply
it.
M
D
Thank
you,
aaron
next
is
rachel.
F
Thanks
junie
you're
doing
a
great
job
following
along
here
I
I'm
impressed
I'm
a
little
stressed
about
that
position,
myself.
Okay,
thanks
to
everybody
for
the
presentation
and
the
hard
work,
that's
gone
before
this
for
the
whole
oversight
undertaking.
F
I
I
don't
know
who
this
question
is
to
it
may
be
to
tom
or
jane
or
council
members
who
were
on
when
we
were
seating,
the
initial
committee,
but
I'm
wondering
why
would
council
select
and
approve
the
panel?
F
It
feels
a
little
bit
like
we're
getting
into
more
hiring
and
firing
than
the
charter
authorizes
us
to
do.
I
understand
we
do
it
with
boards
and
commissions,
I'm
not
sure
if
this
is
in
the
same
vein,
but
it
feels
a
bit
like
we
would
be
possibly
micromanaging
and
I
have
concerns
about
politicization
when
we
do
appointments.
So
I'm
just
wondering
the
history
of.
Why
would
we
seat
this
with
council?
Why
did
that
happen?
And-
and
why
would
we
want
to
do
that.
C
Should
I
answer
that
quickly,
the
the
council
isn't
just
it
is
approving
or
ratifying
not
necessarily
appointing,
and
the
thought
was.
The
council
should
have
some
say
because
you're,
the
representatives
of
the
people.
F
F
So
it
just
seems
like
something
that
we
don't.
We
don't
do
day
to
day.
It
doesn't
sound
like
we'd,
be
doing
the
the
direct
interviews
or
reading
the
applications.
We
would
be
more
ratifying
other
people's
interviews
and
selections,
so
it
just
seems
like
something:
that's
that's
not
within
our
usual
purview
and
I'm
not
sure
that
we
have
the
expertise
to
do
it.
C
F
All
right,
I
appreciate
the
hit
the
history
there.
I
will
circle
back
to
it
when
we
have
discussion
thanks.
That's
my
only
question
for
juni
sure.
M
Do
you
mind
if
I
call
a
queen
on
that?
Thank
you
so
rachel.
I
think
you
raise
a
question
for
me
with
that.
With
that
question,
which
is
okay,
so
council
has
this
approval,
final
approval
role
and-
and
I
understand
the
compromise
that
gets
you
there
on
what
basis
do
we
then
make
that
decision,
given
that
it
sounds
like
the
primary
evaluation
of
these
candidates
is
through
interviews,
right,
like
it
seems,
like
an
un,
reasonable
expectation
that
council
will
go,
listen
to
many
many
hours
of
detailed
interviews
right.
M
J
I
think
everyone's
part
in
I'm
not
sure
exactly
this
ordering
usually
works,
but
that
was
something
that
we
went
back
and
forth
on
at
length
and
were
impressed
based
on
city
council's
desire
for
input,
thus
far
that
they
want
that,
and
if
we
didn't
include
it,
it
would
just
end
up.
Sort
of
this
is
the
conversation
would
be
having
oppositely
tonight.
I
Michelle
sorry,
let
me
jump
in
that
the
connection
was
break
it
up
a
little
bit.
I'm
sorry
aaron!
I
think
your
your
question
was:
what
will
the
the
council
members
base
their
approval
on
if
they're,
not
in
the
interview
right.
I
So
I
I
think
there
would
be
a
written
product
from
the
selection
panel.
Once
they've
they've
made
their
selections,
they
would
provide
a
write-up
on
each
of
the
the
members
that
they're
proposing
to
you.
So
you
have
something
to
go
off
of
and
then
you
know
you
would
have
the
chance
in
the
the
approval
process.
If
you,
if
the
council
wanted
to,
I
think,
question
the
person.
I
I
think
that
that
could
be
part
of
the
process,
so
I
think
a
written
document
that
you
would
receive
explaining
to
council
members
why
the
selection
panel
selected
that
individual
gives
you
a
description
of
their
background.
Everything
that
you
would
need
to
know
to
evaluate
that
person
and
then
yeah
the
panel.
Would
the
council
would
make
their
determination.
C
I
Necessarily
articulated
in
the
ordinance
now,
but
if
the
council
needed
additional
whatever
whatever
the
council
feels
like
they
need
to
make
that
decision.
You
know
just
let
us
know,
and
and
we
can,
we
can
try
to
figure
something
out,
but
that's
a
fair
question,
so
I
would
expect
a
written
product
and
then,
whatever
else
the
council
would
want
in
terms
of
doing
their
own
due
diligence.
M
F
I
just
wanted
to
follow
up
I
I
was
curious
in
michelle's
response.
I
I
think
I
heard
you
know.
Basically,
we
knew
that
you
all
would
want
to
be
the
final
hiring
firing
authority
here
for
this
panel.
F
If,
if
that
hadn't
been
the
case,
what
might
the
the
oversight
committee
have
recommended,
or
what
would
your
recommendation
be?
Who
do
you
think
should
be
doing
the
final
decision
making
here
and
I'm
sorry
if
there's
background
noise,
I'm
in
a
hotel
room
with
family
and
there's
a
lot
of
conversation.
So
sorry
in
advance,
for
that.
J
I
apologize
for
coming
out.
Originally
we
had
discussed
in
its
sort
of
infancy
that
it
would
be
without
that
third
mechanism.
It
would
be
that
the
current
community
members
and
the
nonprofits
picked
the
following,
and
then
they
picked
you
know
on
and
on
down
the
line
the
panel
and
the
nonprofits
that
have
agreed
to
sort
of
work
on
and
todd
correct
me
if
this
is
a
mystery
representation,
but
this
is
my
recollection
that
it
would
be
sort
of
more
self-contained
and
not
need
that
approval.
L
Correct
in
our
initial
discussions,
that's
what
we
assumed
and
then
we
also
counter
assumed
that
council
would
want
some
say
in
that
process.
So
it
would
be
helpful
for
us,
as
the
implementation
task
force,
to
kind
of
receive
some
guidance
from
council
here
as
well.
N
Thank
you.
Next
is
mary.
O
Thank
you
juni.
I
think
most
of
my
questions
have
been
answered.
I
do
have
one
regarding
the
the
seated
panel
and
development
of
the
operations.
Is
that
would
they
be
the
ones
that
would
develop
the
the
operations
manual
for
the
panel
is
the
as
soon
as
the
panel
gets
seated.
They
would
go
to
work
on
that.
I
Yeah,
I
think
they
would,
what
I
would
imagine
is.
They
would
probably
need
to
form
a
working
group,
a
subcommittee
that
would
then
sort
of
focus
more
on
that
and
obviously,
as
the
monitor,
I
would
assist
with
that
and
provide
whatever
resources
they
need.
I
could
get
access
to
other
cities,
operations
manuals
for
for
their
boards
and
for
their
panels
and
provide
them
the
resources
that
they
need
to
to
make
to
to
determine
their
process
so
yeah
yeah.
It
would
ultimately
be
shaped
by
the
the
seated
panel.
O
Okay,
great
and
then
a
question
about
meeting
frequency.
Would
it
be
like
once
a
month
or
ad
hoc
or
more
when
needed
or.
I
L
Right
now
so
that
they're
going
to
meet
minimum
once
a
month
and
they
can
meet
more
if
needed,.
I
Just
just
add
a
little
bit
to
that,
the
there
will
be.
I
think
the
expectation
is
that
there'll
be
a
once
a
month,
public
meeting
and
then,
as
cases
arise
and
the
panel
needs
to
meet
to
discuss
the
case.
Then
they
have
to
be
maybe
several
several
other
times
during
the
month,
depending
on
on
the
case
mode.
O
Okay,
great
thank
you
and
then
on
in
that
and
that
flow
chart
todd
that
you
presented.
There
were
two
ways
of
initiating
the
the
case,
and
is
that?
Is
it
limited
to
those
two
methods.
L
O
Okay,
great
and
then.
J
We
do
we
do
hope
to
create
a
multitude
of
avenues
for
people
to
file
complaints,
so
be
that
a
mail-in
or
maybe
a
text
line
or
something
we've
discussed
a
variety
of
ways
for
people
to
get
the
word
to
where
it
needs
to
go
versus
just
having
to
go
to
the
monitor
or
the
police
department.
So
we
do
intend
on
expanding
that
great.
L
I
don't
believe
it
because
it
came
to
the
panel.
They
would
either
have
to
route
it
to
the
monitor
or
the
boulder
police
department,
and
I
think
actually
we
did
have
those
discussions
and
then
questions
came
up
of
well.
If
someone,
you
know,
if
you
brought
the
complaint
to
the
panel
with
the
panel
member
who
received
that
have
to
recuse
themselves
once
they
received
the
investigation,
and
so
I
don't
think
we
intended
for
the
panel
to
be.
I
Yeah
all
right
right,
I
think
what
will
probably
end
up
happening
in
practice.
The
panel
you
know
will
be
assisting
with
community
outreach.
It
won't
just
be
the
monitor
going
out
to
do
community
engagement
events,
and
so
members
of
the
panel
will
be
coming
in
touch
with
members
of
the
public
in
these
settings,
and
so
you
probably
will
have
community
members
come
to
a
board
member
or
excuse
me
a
panel
member
and
say
hey.
I
have
this
issue.
I
want
to
talk
with
you
about
it.
Do
I
file
a
complaint?
I
Do
you
think
I
should
file,
or
maybe
say
I
I
already
know
I
want
to
file
a
complaint.
What
is
the
process
at
that
point?
The
panel
member
would
just
direct
them
to
the
process
to
file
you
know
they
can.
I
would
encourage
the
panel
members
not
to
discuss
the
case
too
much,
because
exactly
the
reason
that
todd
said
you
may
back
in
have
to
review
that
case.
But
you
know
they
would
need
to
direct
the
person
either
to
the
monitor,
to
file
the
complaint
or
to
the
police
department.
O
Okay,
thank
you
then.
Previously
before
we
got
going
on
on
the
task
force
and
a
police
oversight
panel,
we
had
independent
investigations.
That
would
happen
such
as
what
happened
in
the
zade
atkinson
case.
O
I
Right
so,
as
proposed,
the
the
ordinance
does
not
have
an
investigative
role
for
the
monitor,
precisely
because
the
monitor's
main
role
in
this
ordinance
is
to
conduct
audits
and
reviews
of
the
investigations.
I
J
That's
correct
the
role
of
the
monitor,
but
we
did,
in
our
last
round
with
city
council,
be
sure
to
include
sort
of
a
clause
for
there
to
be
this
option
for
an
independent
investigation.
J
J
O
Okay,
I
didn't
okay,
great,
thank
you
and
then
oh,
let's
see.
O
The
the
panel,
so
the
the
as
I
understood
it,
the
monitor,
presents
cases
to
the
panel
and
then
the
panel
decides
whether
or
not
to
take
a
case.
Under
what
criteria
does
the
panel
do
that.
L
So
the
when
the
panel
is
formed
and
they
kind
of
create
their
bylaws
codes
of
conduct
book,
they
would
establish
regulations
that
would
help
them
determine
why
they
would
accept
a
case
and
why
they
would
not
accept
a
case.
I
Part
of
the
operations
yeah,
the
language
coordinates,
says,
directs
the
the
the
panel
once
they're
seated
to
do
just
that
to
create
that.
O
In
the
ordinance
there
there
was
a
the
term
critical
incidence
was
crossed
out,
but
then
later
in
the
ordinance
it's
actually
referred
to,
so
it
was
crossed
out
in
the
definition
but
then
referred
to
later
on.
Why
is
that.
I
Yeah,
so
that
was
around
the
issue
of
having
the
monitor
called
out
to
critical
incidents,
and
so
we
kept
the
language.
What
ended
up
happening
was.
There
was
multiple
different
definitions
of
critical
incident
and
we
didn't
want
to
be
too
specific
in
the
ordinance
to
define
critical
incident
in
one
way.
That
would
then
either
be
inconsistent
with
another
definition
in
the
city
like
within
within
another
institution
within
the
city,
and
so
the
decision
was
made
to
I'm
sorry,
I
just
just
repeat
the
question
for
me.
O
Yeah,
so
I
think
you
got
to
the
answer
because
because
the
the
term
critical
incident
was.
I
So
the
the
way
we
decided
to
resolve
that
was
to
sit
to
keep
the
reference
to
critical
incident,
but
then
have
language
that
said
the
the
chief
and
the
monitor
will
work
together
to
identify
the
protocols
and
the
types
of
incidents
that
the
monitor
will
respond
to.
So
we
didn't
want
to
tie
it
become
too
specific
and
then
in
the
ordinance
and
then
realize
down
the
road.
I
Oh,
we
need
to
add
this
other
element,
and
so
keeping
it
out
of
the
ordinance
allows
the
chief
and
the
monitor
to
work
together
to
figure
out
what
incidents
that
should
be
and
it's
it's
we've
already
started
those
conversations
and
you
know
they're
completely
open
to
it.
It's
just.
It
is
a
question
of
what
is
the
trigger
for
the
monitor
to
go
out
to
to
observe
a
scene.
Is
it
a?
Is
it
a
call
from
an
that?
An
ambulance
responds
to
the
scene?
I
Is
it
a
particular
level
of
injury,
and
so
we
decided
that
we
didn't
want
to
write
that
level
of
detail
into
this
ordinance
and
trying
to
could
just
cause
problems,
and
so
we
we
just
got
rid
of
the
definition
kept.
The
the
spirit
of
it
and
the
language
that
said
that
the
chief
and
the
monitor
will
work
together
to
to
accomplish
that.
O
I
Not
sure
more,
that
those
discussions
have
been
more
between
the
monitor
and
the
chief
and
the
department
in
terms
of
what
would
trigger,
but
the
the
I
guess,
what
that
will
probably
we'll
have
that
in
fully
in
place
before
the
implementation.
The
oversight
panel
is
seated,
but
once
they're
seated,
if
they
want
to
expand
that
or
define
that
more
specifically,
if
they
don't
think
we're
doing
it
enough
or
they
think
we're
doing
it
too
much,
they
could
give
us
some
direction
on
that.
O
So
what
part
of
the
part
of
the
the
mission
of
the
panel
will
be
to
monitor
trends
and
and
new
things,
statistics
and
things
that
are
coming
down
the
pike
and,
and
basically
it's
it's
for
continuous
improvement
of
of
the
whole
justice
area
of
of
the
city?
So
who
will?
How
will
those
materials
be
identified?
O
I
So
I
think
they'll
be
the
way
it'll
work
in
practice.
The
panel
will
begin
to
review
individual
cases
and
then
they
may
start
seeing
patterns
in
the
cases.
They
may
start
see
an
issue
that
just
keeps
coming
up
in
multiple
cases
and
then
they
can
sort
of
flag
that,
for
the
monitor
and
say,
hey
we've
been
seeing
this
this
particular
allegation
in
a
number
of
different
complaints.
Can
you
pull
the
data
for
us
on
how
many
complaints
we've
had
like
that?
I
What's
been
the
outcomes
of
them,
and
so
then
I
would
pull
all
that
data
forward.
Put
it
into
a
package
form
present
it
to
them,
and
then
they
would
determine
what
they
wanted
to
do
with
that.
If
they
wanted
to
do
further
investigation
or
further
auditing
or
make
some
recommendations
to
the
department
to
address
those
issues.
O
So
the
the
trends
and
statistics
will
be
related
to
cases
that
have
happened,
not
so
much
as
what's
going
on
out
there
in
the
world.
L
It
could
be
necessarily
the
panel
could
kind
of
identify
areas
within
the
department
itself
and
say
we
find
this
interesting.
We
think
this
is
an
area
where
we
can,
you
know,
push
a
reform
agenda
and
then
working
with
the
monitor
and
then
working
with
the
police
chief.
They
can
start
that
process,
so
it
can
be
the
monitor
doing
that,
and
it
can
also
be
the
panel
doing
that
as
well.
O
Okay,
great,
and
could
it
also
be,
you
know,
we're
in
the
process
of
of
police
reform,
and
so
is
it?
Something
is
that
something
that
could
be
looked
at
as
well
as
could
the
chief,
for
example,
say
there's
this
area
that
it
would
be
great
to
get
your
feedback
on?
Is
that
something
that
could
happen.
I
O
Okay,
great-
and
I
think
that's
all
I
have
thank
you.
Thank
you.
N
B
Thank
you.
I
was
gonna
call
a
queen
on
rachel
on
aaron's
conversation,
but
it
was
getting
confusing,
so
this
is
kind
of
returning
to
the
appointment
question.
How
will
the
public
have
a
chance
to
weigh
in
so
there's
two
parts
to
that?
Will
the
interviews
that
the
panel
holds
with
applicants
be
public
and
will
the
public
be
allowed
to
have
comment
there?
Second
part
of
the
question
is
in
the
way
that
it's
been
presented,
where
council
would
do
the
final
ratification?
I
B
I
B
Yeah,
the
reason
I
bring
it
up
is
in
the
context
of
just
imagine
a
scenario
in
which
one
of
the
potential
appointees
is
very
controversial,
and
so
where
would
it
be
that
there
would
be
that
public
input
that
would
identify
that
as
a
controversial
potential
appointment?
So
if
it
were
going
to
come
to
the
council
for
ratification,
I
would
imagine
that
we
would
do
it
as
a
public
hearing
in
the
sense
that
we
would
open
it
up
for
any
kind
of
input
or
comments.
B
If
we
don't
have
that
role,
but
the
public
still
wanted
to
have
comments,
so
you
know
part
of
what
rachel
and
was
hinting
at
was.
Maybe
the
council
would
over
politicize
it
and
shouldn't
be
involved,
but
it
would
seem
like
we
want
some
route
for
public
input
on
the
final
selected
candidates.
Just
in
case
there's,
you
know
a
a
controversy,
or
you
know
some
kind
of
deep
concern
that
wasn't
fleshed
out
in
the
interview
process.
So
I
was
just
raising
where
in
this
process,
would
the
public
enter
whether
or
not
council
approves?
J
I
think
that's
an
excellent
question
and
we
had
not
quite
gotten
to
that
level
of
alternative,
because
we
assumed,
based
on
a
lot
of
we,
had
heard
that
council
was
gonna,
want
that
pe.
So
we
really
hadn't
fleshed
out
what
the
alternative
would
look
like.
But
if
that's
something
we'd
like
us
to
do,
we
can
definitely
do
that
and
bring
it
back
for
further
consideration.
D
F
Had
one
follow-up
question
for
michelle:
I
sat
here
sort
of
reflecting
on
on
sort
of
the
recommendation,
including
what
you
all
thought
council
was
going
to
really
want
to
to
do
with
the
seating
process,
and
I'm
just
wondering
is
there
anything
else
that
is
in
the
recommendation
or
proposed
ordinance?
That
is
maybe
not
as
as
the
committee
wanted
or
was
sort
of
pre-screened,
because
you
figured
council
is
going
to
want
it.
Is
there
anything
else
that
you're
not
todd
or
michelle
or
joey?
F
If
this
applies
to
you
as
well,
that
you
would,
you
would
wish,
were
different,
but
it's
presented
to
us
because
of
maybe
what
we
asked
for
a
year
ago.
I
just
wanted
to
open
it
up
and
see
if
there's
anything
else
like
that,
thanks.
L
I
actually
have
a
thank
you
for
that
question.
It's
very
helpful.
I
have
a
question
for
council
based
off
of
that.
I
know
that
in
previous
update
hearings
that
we've
given
council
expressed
a
desire
for
there
to
be
some
type
of
restorative
justice
program
to
be
included
in
the
ordinance.
Is
that
something
that
council
is
still
interested.
F
Did
the
restorative
justice
pieces?
I
don't
think
to
me,
but
that's
my
only
question
just
broadly
wanted
to
invite
todd
or
michelle
to
to.
Let
us
know
if
there
was
anything
else
that
they
would
maybe
tweak
before
we
have
our
discussions
and
I
don't
know
the
answer
to
the
restorative
justice.
I
personally
am
a
fan
of
restorative
justice.
I
don't
know
what
the
conversation
was,
though,
that
that
teed,
that
up
before
I
was
on
council,
that
would
differ.
L
And
beyond
that,
I
don't
think
there
was
anything
else
that
the
task
force
thought
that
council
wanted.
So
we
kind
of
structured
the
decision
around
that
that
was
all.
J
Woven
in
that
would
be
a
misinterpretation
misimpression.
We
were
not
against
it.
We
he's
just
following
he's:
circling
back
on
question
that
came
up
previously,
that
we
had
not
had
time
to
really
incorporate.
Nor
did
we
choose
to
put
it
into
the
sort
of
legislative
piece.
We
would
like
that.
That's
definitely
an
option
for
the
community
panel
to
engage
in
and
then
to
echo
todd
I
feel
like
that
was
really
the
only
piece
that
we
had
sort
of
written
for
counsel,
so
to
speak,
the
rest
of
it.
J
I
think
we
were
pretty
firm
and
pointed
on
what
our
desires
were.
There
awesome.
O
Yeah,
I
just
have
one
more
question:
we
can
well
with
respect
to
the
restorative
justice.
We
can
make
that
part
of
our
discussion,
but
one
more
question
is
for
todd
and
michelle
did
the
task
force
discuss
a
name
for
the
panel
other
than
police
oversight
panel.
G
L
D
Okay,
great,
thank
you.
I
wanted
to
weigh
in
before.
I
summarize
some
of
the
points
or
questions
or
concerns
that
you
have.
I
spoke
with
sam
earlier
today
about
the
concern
from
the
naacp
about
the
ordinance,
and
I
wonder
if
sam
wanted,
to
make
the
comment
about
whether
the
or
monitor
can
should
be
part
of
the
selection
process
or
even
the
removal
process
of
the
panelists.
B
Well,
junior,
I
would
say
that
that
was
your
idea,
which
I
agree
with,
I
think,
to
have
independence
of
the
selection
process.
I
think
probably
the
monitor
should
not
be
part
of
selecting
the
members
of
the
oversight
panel,
because
part
of
their
job,
of
course,
will
be
to
report
on
the
performance
of
the
monitor
themselves.
B
D
Okay,
thank
you.
So
that's
up
for
discussion
with
council,
I
suppose,
is
that
I
had
a
conversation
with
joey
or
monitor
after
I
read
the
review
submitted
by
the
naacp
and
after
orlanti
discussion.
D
You
know
he
mentioned
that
he's
eager
to
take
on
the
role,
but
at
the
same
time
he
understand
that
as
the
monitor,
it
is
not
necessary
that
he's
involved
in
the
selection
and
appointment
process-
and
I
mentioned,
would
council
be
interested
in
adding
that
part
in
the
ordinance
explicitly
saying
that
you
know
that
the
monitor
would
not
be
part
of
this
selection
and
appointing
process
for
the
oversight
panel.
D
Just
so
that
we
keep,
because
I
think
part
of
the
issue
or
the
concern
that
was
brought
forward
by
the
naacp
is
that
there
might
be
some
conflict
of
interest
which
I
don't
believe
might
be
there,
but
at
the
same
time,
to
keep
the
public
to
keep
the
idea
of
transparency
just
having
it
there
and
the
ordinance
would
just
solve
that
for
the
future
as
well.
I
So
absolutely
I
would
just
add
that
this
question
came
up
in
our
discussions
with
the
in
the
implementation
team's
discussions
and
I
think
at
one
point
an
implementation
team
member,
either
presumed
or
sort
of
suggested
that
I
was
going
to
be
on
the
implement
on
the
selection
panel
and
I
actually
said
no.
I
should
not
be
on
the
the
selection
panel,
because
that
is
that
group
of
folks
will
be
evaluating
me
as
the
monitor,
and
so
this
would
be
sort
of
codifying
sort
of
something
we've
already
identified
and
agreed
to.
D
Here's
what
I
heard
from
from
our
fellow
council,
members
in
or
mayor
is
take
into
account
the
standardized
questions
for
interviews
to
ensure
equity
and
also
our
council
member
rachel
mentioned
the
concern
about
the
politicization
of
the
oversight
of
firing
and
hiring,
and
we
should
be
careful
not
to
micromanage
and
also
aaron
mentioned
he
worried
about
evaluation
of
final
selection.
So
I
think
sam
also
talked
about
that
as
well.
D
He
mentioned
access
to
the
public
in
public
input
is
very
important,
so
that's
a
gap
in
this
presentation
that
we
definitely
have
to
make
sure
that
we
we
try
to
bridge
and
mary
as
well
mentioned,
having
complaint
come
through
the
panel
members,
and
I
thought
that
was
a
great
idea,
because
I've
worked
for
the
un
before
and
when
we
talk
about
human
rights.
Every
person
who
works
in
the
u.n
is
their
job.
They
have
a
responsibility
to
protect
and
promote
human
rights.
D
So
when
mary
mentioned,
the
idea
of
having
panel
members
accessible
or
just
letting
them
know
that
yeah
they're
role
as
well
is
to
protect
and
ensure
safety
of
everyone.
In
the
community
so
so
that
they
are
somehow
a
vessel-
and
I
thought
that
was
great
and
rachel
mentioned
the
restorative
justice
piece-
I
that's
a
discussion.
I
think
we
definitely
need
to
to
continue
and
that's
about
it
unless
there
is
another
question
that
I
didn't
cover
and
someone
felt
that
I
should
have.
M
D
Perfect,
thank
you
aaron.
Then
we
should
move
on
to
discussion
unless
there
is
something
else,
staff
or
someone
else
thought
I
should
have
mentioned
and
didn't
your
hand
is
still
up
aaron-
is
that
you.
M
Or
I
could
just
start
here:
okay,
well,
those
were
really
excellent
questions
and
I
think
you
all
have
done
a
a
phenomenal
job
in
putting
all
this
together.
You
know,
I
think
the
original
ordinance
that
we
passed
last
year
was
absolutely
on
the
right
track
and
I
think
the
additional
revisions
and
refinements
that
you've
made
are
generally
also
really
on
the
right
track
as
well.
M
So
I
I'm
supportive
of
the
direction
that
we're
going
for
sure,
and
I
I
think
my
kind
of
fundamental
additional
point
I
would
make
is
that
I
think
it's
fine
for
there
to
be
a
fair
amount
still
to
clarify
after
the
ordinance
has
passed
kind
of
in
the
writing
of
rules
and
procedures,
and
things
like
that.
M
But
I
do
think
we
need
a
little
bit
more
written
in
at
this
stage
to
kind
of
help
make
sure
that
that
we're
codifying
kind
of
the
direction
that
we're
moving
in
and
I'll
just
I'll
mention
a
few
areas
where
I
felt
like
it
would
be
helpful,
not
not
necessarily
to
pin
down
exactly
how
it's
going
to
work,
but
at
least
to
provide
some
direction
that
we
would
be
going
in
and
I'll
just
list.
These
you
one
of
them
is
the
how
the
nonprofits
get
chosen.
M
I
think,
having
some
intention
around
that
at
this
stage
would
be
important,
because
that
could
become
a
an
area
of
real
attention
or,
if
it's
working
great
or
if
it's
not
working
perfectly,
I
think
people
will
focus
in
on
how
that's
done.
I
think,
having
you
know,
I
I
read
the
naacp's
letter
with
interest
and
personally
I
feel
like
having
joey.
Have
this
participatory
role
in
the
creation.
The
ordinance
has
been
fine.
M
I
seems
like
a
man
of
of
real
integrity
and
the
panel
seems
to
be
able
to
operate
independently,
but
I
did
feel
like
the
point
that
juni
raised
was
was
a
good
one
about
writing
in
explicitly
that
that
the
monitor
would
not
have
a
role
in
the
appointment
of
the
panelists
would
be
good
and
also
maybe
to
add
a
little
bit
of
additional
information
about
what
the
panel's
review
of
the
monitor
might
look
like,
because
I
think
right
now.
M
Maybe
I
missed
some
detail,
but
right
now
I
feel
like
it's
just
it
just
states
that
that
will
happen
and
maybe
a
little
bit
more
information
about
what
that
might
look
like
or
some
minimum
standards
about.
What
that
that
review
might
look
like
I
had.
I
thought
sam's
points
about
the
public
interviews
being
public
having
a
public
role
with
the
selection
process
was
important,
I'm
personally
fine
with
council
having
a
role
in
the
approval
of
the
members.
M
I
think
the
public
needs
to
have
a
role
basically,
and
so
we
we
function
somewhat
as
the
public's
representatives
because
we're
their
elected
representatives
and
then
we
take
public
input
and
channel
that.
So
I
think
that's
useful
if
the
will
of
counsel
was
to
not
have
us
have
a
final
approval
role.
M
I
think
it'd
be
really
important
to
incorporate
public
feedback
in
other
ways
and
then
I'll
just
throw
out
one
if
people
feel
like
we
shouldn't
just
approve
it,
you
know
one
option
would
be
that
we
could
have
a
call
up
option
for
the
for
the
appointments
rather
than
the
line
item
approval.
So
that's
just
I'm
not
saying
that's
the
best
way
to
do
it,
I'll
just
throw
that
out
there
as
one
thing
to
think
about.
M
If
we
are
doing
the
approval,
if
we
are
having
an
approval
role,
I
think
calling
out
a
little
bit
more
particularly.
What
happens
if
council
does
not
approve?
Someone
would
be
important.
You
know,
I
think,
mark
asked
that
question.
I
think
that
was
an
important
one
to
at
least
mention
how
that
would
work
as
well
as
a
little
bit
about
how
the
panel
would
report
out
to
council
why
they
were
recommending
those
particular
people
for
approval.
M
So
there
I
just
talked
for
a
long
time,
but
the
just
just
some
ideas
about
how
to
maybe
get
a
little
bit
more
specificity
in
there
and
then
maybe
there's
a
some
additional
catch-all
statement
about
what
the
next
steps
would
be
for
when
the
panel
is
formed,
how
it
would
write
out
its
rules
and
procedures
and
and
who
would
approve
those
and
how
they'd
be
modified.
M
O
Thank
you
juni,
so
I
agree
with
what
all
of
the
points
that
aaron
brought
up
and
one
of
the
things
I
just
wanted
to
point
to
is
in
in
terms
of
the
documentation
that
accompanies
the
recommendation
from
the
the
panel
for
panel
members.
It
was
during
the
task
force
selection.
O
We
had
a
matrix
that
accompanied
each
person
because
there
were
certain
criteria
for
the
potential
members
and
then
and
whether
or
not
each
member
met
these
criteria.
So
there
there
was
a
matrix
that
accompanied
the
information.
So
that
might
be
a
helpful
thing
to
include
in
the
package
that
comes
to
council
prior
to
ratification,
and
then
I
think,
as
far
as
a
member
of
the
panel
being
able
to
accept
a
complaint,
I
do
recognize
that
it's
important
to
not
know
too
much
about
the
case
ahead
of
time.
O
If
the
person
chooses
to,
they
could
also
present
it
in
some
sort
of
a
of
a
recording,
in
other
words,
make
it
so
that
the
the
panel
members
can
accept
complaints
but
maintain
their
impartiality
in
that
in
the
process
of
that
acceptance.
So
whatever
you
need
to
do
to
make
it
so
that
the
panel
member
does
not
have
to
recuse
themselves.
I
think
I
think
that
would
be
a
good
route
for
a
community
member
to
submit
a
complaint.
O
The
I
think
it's
okay
on
the
critical
incident
to
go
ahead
and
flesh
that
out
and
perhaps
include
it
in
the
operations
manual,
but
I
think
it
will
be
important
to
pin
that
down,
because
it
can't
be
varying
from
case
to
case,
so
it
will
need
to
get
pinned
down.
So
I
think
that's
a
real
important
piece
I,
as
an
alternative
for
the
selection
of
the
panel.
O
One
suggestion
for
consideration
might
be
to
include
two
council
members
that
was
done
with
the
selection
of
the
task
force.
It's
just
I'm
just
throwing
that
out
there
as
a
potential
of
consideration.
I
do
think
that
it
is
important
for
the
council
to
have
the
final
say
as
aaron
said,
we're
the
elected
officials
and
we
need
to
be
the
ones
that
have
the
final
say
in
terms
of
we're.
The
representatives
of
the
community,
so
mary.
J
O
No,
I'm
sorry
yeah.
No,
I
was
thinking
to
be
part
of
the
selection
committee,
just
as
it
was
for
the
task
force
and
then
there
would
be
just
as
it
was
for
the
task
force.
There
would
be
two
council
members
who
participated
in
the
process,
so
I'm
not
saying
that's
how
it
should
be
done.
I'm
just
saying
that's
an
alternative
so
that
when
it
comes
to
council
there
is
one
or
two
council
members
that
have
been
through
the
actual
process,
just
a
thought:
the
restart
of
justice
piece.
O
I
think
that
that
can
also
be
part
of
the
operations
manual,
but
that
that's,
I
think,
an
important
option
for
outcomes
of
this
panel.
So
I'll
leave
it
up
to
you
guys
to
incorporate
it
later
and
then.
O
Finally,
I
I
like
that
you
have
changed
the
name
of
the
panel
to
the
community
oversight
panel.
I
do
have
the
the
term
oversight
sort
of
I
I
find
a
little
bit
troublesome
and
I
and
here's
why
I
have
been
reading
some
history
of
policing
in
our
country
and
it
it
has
its
roots
in
enslaved
patrols,
as
probably
many
of
you
know,
and
how
the
police
was
basically
lording
over
slaves
and
so
a
lot
of
that
kind
of
of.
O
History
has
carried
forth
into
our
current
situation.
I
won't
go
into
all
the
details
about
this,
but
I
do
think
that
the
idea
of
a
group
to
me
oversight
brings
up
conjures
up
images
of
people
lording
over
other
people,
and
I
find
that
a
little
troublesome
and
the
the
role
of
this
panel
is
more
than
just
oversight.
O
It
is
a
role
that
will
bring
about
continuous
improvement
of
the
police
department
and
our
justice
system
to
always
be
improving
it
and
and
it's
more
than
just
the
oversight,
as
as
mentioned
in
the
title
right
now,
so
I
came
up
with
a
name,
but
it's
just
a
suggestion
and
you
all
can
discuss
it.
You
all
that
the
the
committee
can
discuss
it
further
amongst
yourselves,
but
the
the
title
that
I
came
up
for
it
was
community
panel
for
justice
in
policing
and
eliminating
the
term
oversight
again.
That
is
a
suggestion.
O
D
I
receive
a
request
from
one
of
the
task
force
members
before
I
we
go
to
the
next
speaker,
she's
wondering
if
it
would
be
possible
kindly
for
the
other
council
members
who
are
quiet
or
who
haven't
raised
their
hands
to
just
make
a
comment,
and
let
them
know
what
you're
thinking
and
whether
they're
going
in
the
right
direction.
So
they
just
want
a
little
bit
of
encouragement.
H
I
think
they're
going
in
the
right
direction,
we're
just
making
some
comments.
I
I
want
to
thank
aaron.
I
think
he
nailed
almost
every
possible
issue
on
this
and
it
was
very
complete
and
I
agree
with
him
on
everything
he
said.
I
would
hope
that
the
the
panel-
the
board-
you
may
have
already
done
this,
but
I
assume
you
will
formulate
some
conflict
standards
for
yourselves
in
terms
of
when
it's
appropriate
for
a
panel
member
to
recuse
himself
from
consideration.
H
I
would
urge
you
to
to
undertake
the
restorative
justice
task.
I
think
that
there's
a
great
contribution
to
be
made
there
and,
lastly,
I
would
also
support
continued
council
approval.
H
We
are
the
ultimate
legislative
body
in
town
and
we
are
the
representatives
of
the
people
and
I
would
not
want
to
treat
this
entity
differently
than
we
treat
all
others
where
we
do
have
some
approval
rights.
I
don't
think
anybody's
gonna
have
much
taste
for
micromanaging,
but
ultimate
approval
is
is
a
little
different
and
I
think
that's
that's
something
that's
important
for
us
to
maintain
and
that's
it.
F
Juni
yeah,
aaron
and
mary
covered
most
of
what
I
I
would
have
thought
important,
but
I
do
want
to
circle
back
to
selecting
the
panelists
and
how
it's
so
important
that
we
get
this
right
and
I
think
what
I'm
hearing
is
that
everybody.
F
Understands
that
we
are
the
ultimate
elected
decision
makers
for
the
city,
and
so
their
air
force
should
have
oversight,
but
there
are
so
many
important
positions
that
we
do
not
exercise
input
or
screening
for
positions.
So
I
don't
understand
why
we
would
be
doing
it
here
when
it's
pretty
different
than
the
boards
and
commissions
where
people
send
in
an
application,
and
we
ask
everybody
questions.
This
is
going
to
be
pre-screened
and
it
just
seems
like
it
only
leaves
room
for
politicization.
F
So
if
somebody
is
maybe
not
liked
by
the
majority
of
council
because
they've
been,
I
don't
know
upsetting
on
a
different
issue,
but
they'd
be
really
great
on
this.
They
could
still
be
knocked
out
and
I
don't
think
that's
in
the
community's
interest.
So
I
don't
see
for
that
reason
why
we
would
want
to.
F
F
I
think
we
should
be
having
the
interviews
and
and
if
we
really
think
that
we're
the
best
people
to
make
the
decision
on
who
to
seat
on
this
panel
or
who
to
fire
from
the
panel,
then
we
should
be
in
the
weeds
and
we
should
be
doing
it
well,
and
if
we
don't
want
to
invest
the
time,
then
I
think
we
should
trust
the
experts
to
do
it
and
and
not
put
a
rubber
stamp
on
it.
Anything
if
we're
saying
it's
not
a
rubber
stamp,
then
we're
doing
it.
F
B
Great
well,
I
want
to
thank
the
the
implementation
panel
again.
This
has
been
really
great
work,
a
lot
of
food
for
thought
here,
it's
very
complex
topic,
and
so
thank
you
for
all
of
your
hard
work.
I
want
to
address
the
issue
head-on,
that
rachel
brought
up
and
there's
two
points
I
want
to
make.
B
Politicization
is
one
thing,
but
public
input
is
another
thing,
and
so
I
feel
like.
Not
only
are
we
the
ultimate
approval
body,
but
the
pre-screening
is
going
to
give
the
rationale
for
why
the
panel
itself
thinks
that
that
these
applicants
should
be
the
ones
who
are
appointed.
B
So
I
believe
that
we
need
to
keep
faith
with
the
public
and
let
the
public
have
input.
An
example
would
be
that
there's
somebody
who
has
made
it
through
the
screening
process
but
unbeknownst
to
the
panel
recommending
there's
a
lot
of
objection
to
among
a
certain
segment
of
the
community,
and
if
we
have
a
public
hearing
before
we
we
ratify.
I
doubt
we
would
discuss
each
person
on
the
list,
but
if
we
have
a
public
hearing,
that
would
be
the
opportunity
for
the
public
to
express
their
concern.
B
B
We
won't
be
doing
interviews
and
we'll
be
probably
99
of
the
time,
trusting
the
recommendation
of
the
panel,
but
there
could
be
times
that
would
arise
where
we
would
want
to
step
in,
and
maybe
yes
knock
one
out,
but
ask
the
panel
to
consider
the
reasons
that
the
public
was
upset
with
one
or
another
of
the
potential
appointees.
So
on
that,
I
will
weigh
in
that.
I
think
council
does
need
to
do
a
final
approval.
B
I
want
to
return
to
something
and
just
flag
this
to
the
implementation
panel.
Members
11
members
can
really
be
unwieldy.
Nine
members
can
be
unwieldy,
so
I've
served
on
boards
with
seven
and
nine
in
the
past
and
5..
I
think
5
is
too
small.
Typically,
I
think
7
is
about
right
and
I
think
9
can
be
too
many.
B
So
if
the
intention
is
for
more
breadth,
I
can
certainly
see
an
argument
for
9,
but
I
will
just
put
out
there
that
in
practice,
11
can
be
difficult
to
manage
and
difficult
to
give
everyone
time
to
express
their
opinion.
I
I
too
support
the
restorative
justice
piece,
so
todd
to
your
question.
I
think
that's
a
really
important
component
of
this.
B
B
Agree
juni,
that
the
monitor
should
not
be
part
of
the
appointment
process.
I
agree
with
mary
about
the
name
of
the
committee.
I
I
would
suggest
a
slightly
shorter
name,
but
this
this
would
be
for
the
implementation
team
to
come
up
with
community
panel
for
just
policing
eliminates
a
word
and
shortens
one,
but
any
I
do
agree
with
mary's
idea
about
how
to
focus
it
and
if
the
panel
decides
to
recommend
the
council
not
be
the
final
approval
body,
which
I
I
don't
think
would
be
the
right
thing.
B
But
if
that
is
a
recommendation
there
I
think,
has
to
be
a
route
for
the
public
to
have
input.
And
so
I
imagine
that
the
interviews
would
be
private.
The
decision
would
be
made,
there'd
be
a
recommendation
passed
on
to
council,
and
then
it
would
only
be
if
the
public
had
a
problem
with
one
of
the
members
that
we
would
even
take
it
up
to
talk
about
it.
But
an
alternative
would
be
that
all
the
interviews
are
public,
and
so
I
think
that's
a
meaty
subject
for
the
panel
to
take
up.
N
P
Thanks,
I
also
want
to
thank
the
implementation
committee
and
joey
for
putting
together
a
very
nice
product
and
making
our
lives
very
easy.
You
guys
are
making
us
look
good
here,
so
I
appreciate
that
very
much
I'll
explain
in
a
couple
of
things.
I've
already
been
mentioned
with
respect
to
the
panel
appointment.
I
agree
with
sam
and
some
other
people
that
I
do
think
the
buck
stops
with
council
and
we
are
on
the
people
who
are
elected
by
the
community
and
who
have
to
be
ultimately
responsible
and
held
accountable
for
these
things.
P
I
believe
that
virtually
every
resident
committee
or
panel
that
we
have
is
either
appointed
by
council
or
in
a
few
instances,
is
appointed
by
the
city
manager
at
council's
direction.
I'm
not
aware
of
a
a
residence
committee
or
panel
that
we've
delegated
that
authority
to
outside
of
the
city
infrastructure,
so
I
do
believe
that
should
be
ultimately
council
selection.
I
do
agree
with
the
observation
that
in
most
instances,
council
will
adopt
the
recommendations
of
the
of
whatever
nonprofits
are
making
them.
P
I
do
like
mary's
idea
if
council
members
are
willing
to
serve
on
the
committee
to
so
that
that
they
can
be
conveyed
to
their
counsel
and
colleagues
input
from
the
interviews.
It's
a
that's.
A
heavy
lift,
there's
two
people
on
a
volunteer
for
that.
That's
great
an
this
is
not
an
alternative,
but
it's
it's
maybe
a
supplement
to
mary's
suggestion.
P
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
if,
if,
if
there's
a
group
of
candidates
that
are
forwarded
to
council
for
ratification,
it
might
be
helpful
to
have
a
couple
of
alternates
as
well,
because
it
would
be
awkward
if
only
11
candidates
come
forward
for
11
positions
and
counsel,
for
whatever
reason
determines
not
to
appoint
one
or
two
of
them,
then
we
have
to
send
it
back
and
other
alternates
have
to
be
identified.
So
if,
if
the,
if
alternates
can
be
identified
in
the
first
instance,
then
it
probably
avoids
that
twoing
and
throwing?
P
I
do
agree
with
sam's
comment.
That
11
seems
like
a
really
big
number.
I
don't
feel
strongly
about
that.
If,
if
if
the
implementation
group
feels
that
11
is
the
right
number
and
that's
what's
necessary
for
a
broad,
diverse
perspective,
that's
fine,
but
I
think
seven
or
nine
is
probably
quite
a
bit
more
manageable
and
then
finally,
I
do
agree
with
mary's
observation.
Q
Thank
you
judy.
I
really
appreciated.
This
is
one
of
those
things
I
know
less
about,
since
I
wasn't
involved
in
the
process
as
long
as
my
other
council
members,
so
I
let
them
take
most
of
the
lead
here.
I
really
do
like
the
direction
that
we've
been
going
and
I'll
try
to
just
speak
to
the
sort
of
crux
issues.
I
also
agree
that
the
final
approval
should
probably
land
on
council,
but
I
really
liked
aaron's
idea
of
it
being
call
up
based.
Q
I've
noticed
call-ups
only
tend
to
happen
when
there's
really
really
deep
community
interest
prior
to
the
call-up
happening,
so
that
would
indicate
that
if
someone
was
being
called
up,
there
was
a
really
strong
sentiment
for
some
reason
that
that
person
should
be
reviewed
further
and
if
we're
trying
to
find
something
to
make
everybody
happy,
maybe
we
could
talk
about
the
number
of
votes.
It
would
take
to
turn
someone
down
get
into
that.
So
maybe
it's
not.
Q
You
know
you
get
to
the
number
of
votes
where
it's
not
exactly
possible
to
be
political,
that
that
you
know
may
be
something
to
look
at.
I
also
agreed
with
maybe
a
change
to
the
name.
Q
If
the
committee
is
open
to
that
and
the
11
board
members,
I
would
say
too,
having
served
on
two
different
boards
just
for
the
sanity
of
the
the
committee
members
themselves
and
the
length
of
the
meetings
really
really
try
to
dig
into
what
you're
going
to
get
out
of
an
additional
two
members
that
you
might
not
get
out
of
nine.
Simply
because
you
know
if
you
can
still
take
that
amount
of
time.
Q
That's
totally
fair
and
it's
an
important
issue
to
take
time
on,
but
meetings
really
do
end
up
going
a
lot
longer
than
you
think
they
do.
So.
Those
are
the
bulk
of
my
things
that
I'd
like
to
weigh
in
on,
and
I
really
do
appreciate
the
work.
It's
really
awesome
to
see
this
happening
in
our
city
and
it
was
more
than
a
long
time
coming.
So
it's
cool
to
see
it
finally
happen.
D
All
right,
thank
you
for
all
your
comments
and
I
feel,
like
all
of
you
have
already
given
all
the
comments,
and
I
don't
have
much
to
weigh
in
beside
everything.
That's
been
said.
Aaron
mentioned
how
non-profit
gets
selected
and
the
source
of
tension,
that's
something
that
the
team
needs
to
look
into,
and
also
the
appointing
and
removal
of
panel
members
as
well
as
something
that
we
have
to
look
into.
D
Also.
I
think
the
very
most
important
thing
is
rachel's
concern
about
the
selection
process
and
from
what
I'm
hearing
is
that
there's
eight
of
us
here
most
of
us
are
in
agreement
that
council
need
to
have
a
voice,
and
I
don't
think
we
need
to
take
a
struggle
on
that
sam.
Would
we
need
to
do
that?
Okay,.
D
Perfect
yeah,
I
I
agree
with
the
rest
of
council
with
with
with
the
idea
that
council
needs
to
have
a
voice,
and
I
think
it
goes
back
to
what
mary
said,
because
I
believe
rachel's
concerns
are
valid,
but
I
think,
with
mary's
idea
of
having
two
council
members
involved.
D
I
think
I
think
that
might
be
a
good
idea.
Adam
mentioned
that
final
approval
through
collapse
as
well
color
base
and
those
are
some
of
the
alternatives.
D
D
I
know
what
mary
mentioned
fleshing
out
the
critical
incident
and
what
it
means-
and
I
think
the
restorative
justice
is
something
that
the
council,
most
council
members,
agree
to
or
voice
there
and
are
in
favor
of
the
name
enhancement.
I
agree
with
mary
with
the
name,
I
think
that's
a
great
idea
and
I
don't
think
there
is
any
other
any
other
feedback.
Unless
mark
do
you
have
a
question
mark
or
you
have
any
feedback.
H
Another
question,
just
just
a
short
comment,
also
want
to
support
mary's
suggestion.
You
know
when,
when
we
appoint
people
to
boards
and
commissions,
we
select
them.
I
don't
think
anybody
has
a
lot
of
appetite
for
rejecting
people.
It's
a
very
public
process.
I
think
two
members
of
council
on
the
selection
team
could
flag
issues
before
they
arise
and-
and
you
know,
put
us
in
the
difficult
position
of
saying
that
we're
actually
going
to
reject
a
particular
individual.
H
H
N
D
You
mary,
you
have
a
comment.
O
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
thank
the
task,
force
and
staff
that
have
I
mean
your
your
dedication
to
this
has
been
so
exemplary
and
your
product
is
so
impressive
and
you
know
you're,
you've
dedic,
you've
given
a
lot
of
time,
and
it's
really
really
appreciated,
and
I
hope
that
you
continue
on
some
of
you
and
thank
you
very
much
this.
This
has
been
hard
hard
work
and-
and
I
appreciate
that.
M
Yeah
well
I'll
I'll
echo.
What
mary
just
said.
Absolutely
thank
you
for
all
of
your
work
and
I
guess
it's.
It
sounds
like
a
lot
of
where
councils
may
be
disagreeing
a
little
bit
or
having
different
thoughts
is
about
how
the
appointments
get
made,
and
that
is
a
tricky
question
right.
So
I
guess
we'll
we'll
see
what
you
all
recommend
based
on
our
discussion.
I
personally,
I
probably
would
not
go
to
having
council
members
on
on
the
appointment
committee.
You
know.
M
Actually
I
felt
like
that
worked
out
pretty
well
honestly
when
mary
and
I
did
it
for
getting
this
started,
but
this
is.
That
was
a
sort
of
extraordinary
one-time
experience,
and
this
is
going
to
be
a
year
by
year
thing,
and
you
know
it's.
It's
often
the
case
that
committee
members
tend
to
be
differential
to
city
council
members,
and
so
I
feel
like
we,
the
council
members,
might
have.
M
B
B
So
if
we,
the
one
thing
adam
that
I
I
wasn't
so
in
favor
of
a
call-up
mode
for
is
because
it
would
it
wouldn't
have
the
public
input
at
a
public
hearing,
because
I
think,
what's
really
important
here,
especially
for
the
first
one
right
is
we're
establishing
this,
and
I
think
we
need
to
hear
the
feedback
and
we
need
to
be
real,
deliberate
about
hearing
the
feedback.
B
It
could
be
really
easy,
it
could
be
all
positive
or
there
could
be
issues
that
the
public
will
flag
for
us
that
we
may
not
be
able
to
get
so
regardless.
I
just
advice
to
the
implementation
team,
regardless
of
what
your
final
recommendation
is.
My
suggestion
is
that
you
think
deeply
about
how
we
would
take
public
input
and
how
council
is
involved
with
that.
D
J
Thank
you
again,
everyone
I
don't
want
to
be
labor,
but
I
just
want
to
respond
to
the
renaming,
not
necessarily
that
I'm
opposed.
I
definitely
think
all
suggestions
are
worth
considering
and
we'll
bring
it
to
the
group,
but
the
first
thing
that
came
up
for
me
was
that
that's
also
part
of
the
name
of
the
activation
we're
talking
about,
and
community
members
is
the
same
for
the
word
officer
as
overseer.
J
So
I'm
not
sure
if
any
of
you
are
familiar
with
that
history,
but
it
might
be
worth
a
quick
read
and
then
just
thank
you
all
for
your
input.
We've
definitely
considered
restorative
justice
and
thought
that
for
the
timelines
requested
that
it
would
be
a
lot
to
really
draw
out
in
detail
what
that
would
look
like
and
because
restorative
justice
practices
are
fluid
and
constantly
growing
and
changing
that
while
we
do
want
to
include
that,
it
may
not
be
necessary
to
legislate
at
this
point.
So
thank
you
again.
D
I
Sorry,
just
very
quickly,
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
to
all
the
the
council
members
for
engaging
in
this
process
and
identifying
areas
that
you
needed
further
clarification
on.
All
those
were,
you
know
very
reasonable
concerns
and
we'll
take
that
back
to
the
team.
Come
back
with
some
some
good
recommendations
for
you
all
and
thank
you
again
really
appreciate
your
your
time
and
input
on
this
really
appreciate
it.
D
G
Thank
you,
juni,
and
our
next
presentation
will
be
made
by
kurt
fernharber,
the
director
of
housing
and
human
services
on
severe
weather
shelter
for
this
upcoming
winter
season.
Kurt.
R
R
Statement
before
we
start
the
presentation
to
help
frame
the
the
conversation
and-
and
why
we're
here
this
evening,
so
if
we
go
back
five
or
so
years,
the
programs
that
we
were
running
in
the
city
and
when
I
say
we
it's
it's
a
number
of
partners-
it's
not
necessarily
the
city.
R
R
There
was
two
shelter
locations
and,
as
some
community
members
have
mentioned
this
week,
there
was
upwards
of
400
beds
that
grew
from
about
200
to
400
over
time
and
during
that
time,
in
the
last
couple
of
years,
there
was
upwards
of
over
2000
individual
nights
that
were
turnaways
from
shelter
and
so
that
created
a
lot
of
challenges
for
our
community.
R
Also,
my
department
of
housing
and
human
services
at
that
time
wasn't
putting
a
dime
into
housing,
individuals
who
were
homeless.
None
of
our
resources
were
going
there
and
the
number
of
individuals
that
were
being
housed
each
year.
You
could
probably
count
on
on
one
or
two
hands,
then
some
things
started
to
change.
Bridgehouse
opened
their
program,
their
ready
to
work
program
that
started
off
as
a
great
success,
and
it's
continued
to
really
have
a
ongoing
sustainable
approach
to
getting
people
housed.
R
The
the
shelter
then
opened
up
lee
hill
and
those
were
some
of
the
first
permanent
supportive
housing
vouchers
in
a
dedicated
site
like
that,
and
then
then
city
council
adopted
a
homeless
strategy
about
three
years
ago
and
that's
when
our
focus
really
changed
to
a
housing
first
focus.
We
started
investing
a
lot
of
money
in
housing
and
housing
vouchers
units
this
year,
we've
already
housed
or
helped
174
individual
individuals
exit
homelessness.
R
We
also
have
individuals
exiting
homelessness
through
our
diversion
navigation
programs,
and
it's
it's
a
it's
a
tapestry
of
partners.
It's
a
it's.
The
bridge
house
ready
to
work
program
as
well
as
a
master
lease
program
that
we
started
with
them
last
year
that
helps
their
graduates
get
into
market
housing
after
they've
gone
through
their
program.
R
It's
mental
health
partners.
It's
substance,
abuse
programs
that
individuals
get
referred
into
and
it's
the
housing
outreach
team,
the
hot
team,
it's
the
court
navigators
and
every
homeless
individual
who
touches
any
of
our
programs
will
be
exposed
to
opportunities
that
are
offered
to
them
to
help
them
exit
homelessness.
R
So,
however
yeah
so
I
I
also
wanted
to
mention
an
email
that
came
in
this
afternoon
from
emily
trozy.
I
hope
I'm
saying
her
last
name
correctly
and
at
the
end
of
that
article
or
end
of
that
email,
she
had
an
article
from
the
guardian
about
how
finland
has
addressed
their
their
homeless
issues
and
finland
had
lots
of
shelters
throughout
the
country.
R
They
took
one
of
the
first
homeless,
first
approaches
and
they
essentially
shut
down
their
shelters
and
really
focused
on
getting
individuals
into
housing
and
they've
had
a
lot
of
success
with
that,
the
difference
between
boulder
and
finland.
Well,
there's
there's
many
differences,
but
one
is
that
they're
a
country
and
we're
a
city
and
we're
while
we're
making
great
approaches
and
innovations
as
a
city
and
even
a
county.
R
We
don't
have
a
national
strategy.
We
don't
have
a
state
strategy
where
every
community
has
the
type
of
focus
that
we
have
in
boulder,
so
tonight
we're
not
going
to
be
talking
about
housing
first,
but
housing.
First
interfaces
very
directly
with
the
question
tonight
and
in
july
we
presented
the
severe
weather,
shelter
plan
to
council
at
the
at
the
end
of
that
discussion.
R
Council
asked
us
to
come
back
with
a
an
approach
for
additional
severe
weather,
shelter
nights
on
particularly
cold
nights.
So
we
are
going
to
focus
our
presentation
on
answering
that
question
and
we
will
also
bring
in
a
couple
of
other
items
that
you
didn't
ask
for
that.
We,
we
believe,
also
relate
to
concerns
that
that
you
brought
up
earlier
so
with
that
I
will
introduce
vicki
ebner,
who
you
know
is
the
homeless
policy
manager
and
she
will
be
guiding
us
through
this
next
piece.
Thank
you.
S
Thank
you
council,
I'm
very
happy
to
be
here
to
discuss
this
very
important
topic.
If
you
could
switch
the
new
next
slide,
please,
so
we
wanted
to
focus
on
three
questions
and
really
gather
council's
input
on
our
overall
severe
weather
plan.
S
S
I
thought
it
would
be
helpful
here
to
start
with
a
couple
of
definitions.
The
severe
weather,
shelter
thresholds
that
we're
currently
using
and
have
been
in
place
for
at
least
two
years
are
the
ones
at
the
top.
So
these
are
all
predicated
on
national
weather
service
forecasts,
with
certain
warnings
and
watches
of
everything
from
extreme
cold
to
heavy
snow
or
temperatures
of
32
or
below
fahrenheit,
if
it's
dry
or
38
below
fahrenheit
or
below.
S
If
there's
a
likelihood
of
precipitation,
as
kurt
mentioned
at
the
city
council
meeting
in
july,
we
were
asked
to
come
back
with
a
plan
for
how
we
would
address
overflow
on
significant
nights,
so
we
defined
those
significant
nights
as
critical
weather
conditions
that
would
be
with
a
temperature
below
10
degrees,
fahrenheit
or
below
and
or
there
are
six
inches
or
more
of
snow.
This
is
also
aligned
with
what
the
boulder
shelter
for
the
homeless
currently
uses
for
their
daytime
triggers.
S
If,
if
the
weather
during
the
day
meets
those
criteria-
and
that
has
been
an
established
practice
for
a
significant
amount
of
time-
and
it
also
ties
back
with
some
analysis-
we've
done
over
the
last
six
years
of
weather
patterns
and
that
correlates
to
basically
the
30
coldest
nights
of
the
year
or
12
of
the
nights
that
we
would
be
open
for
severe
weather
shelter
and
those
30
nights
had
a
low
average
low
of
9.3
degrees,
and
the
majority
of
them
did
include
some
sort
of
snow
event.
S
So
this
is
the
plan
that
we
are
working
to
go
forward
with.
The
first
line
in
orange
is
our
standard,
severe
weather
shelter.
This
uses
up
to
140
beds
at
severe
sorry
at
boulder
shelter
for
the
homeless
on
the
shoulder
parts
of
the
season
so
october,
1st
through
november
30th
and
march
16th
through
the
end
of
may,
the
shelter
beds
would
be
used
for
year-round
programming
and
then
would
be.
S
The
unused
program
beds
would
be
allocated
for
severe
weather
shelter
when
those
traditional
weather,
shelter,
severe
weather,
shelter
conditions
are
met
between
december
1st
and
the
middle
of
march.
We
would
be
open
every
night
for
uses,
including
severe
weather,
sheltering
in
addition
to
the
severe
weather,
shelter
last
spring
up
until
approximately
middle
of
june
and
going
forward
in
the
fall,
we
were
able
to
place
20
people
in
a
local
hotel
who
were
considered
to
be
at
risk
for
covet
19..
S
And
then,
in
addition
to
that,
we
are
looking
at
extended
day
hours.
So
morning.
Services
at
boulder,
shelter
for
the
homeless
are
currently
being
offered,
and
this
is
early
morning
where
they
can
come
in
and
get
shell
showers
and
food.
And
this
would
still
occur
up
until
december
1st,
so
time
with,
where
we're
opening
the
shelter
every
night,
we
would
also
extend
our
day
hours
to
11
30
a.m,
just
like
in
previous
system
seasons
and
more
particularly
when
we
were
dealing
with
covid
last
spring.
S
S
So
when
we
were
looking
at
the
plan,
one
of
the
things
that
we
did
want
to
do
is
look
at
how
many
beds
we
would
be
offering
for
total
sheltering,
including
both
year-round
programming
and
severe
weather
shelter,
so
this
can
range
between
140
beds.
Well,
I'm
sorry.
S
The
the
capacity
at
boulder
shelter
for
the
homeless
starting
in
october,
is
going
to
be
140
beds,
and
you
may
be
aware
that
they
can
hold
up
to
160
beds,
but
in
walk
throughs
with
boulder
county
public
health
they've
been
asked
to
reduce
the
number
of
beds
so
that
they
can
more
adequately
speak
to
people
in
a
congregate
situation
with
reflecting
the
different
I
items
that
I
touched
on
on
the
last
slide.
S
S
The
number
of
people
were
expecting
to
be
utilizing
the
kobit
recovery
center
and
our
hotels
that
still
allows
for
between
30
and
63
beds
on
any
given
night.
That
could
be
used
for
severe
weather
shelter
and
then,
of
course,
on
those
critical
weather
condition
nights.
It
would
go
up
an
additional
20
units.
S
So
you
know
one
of
the
things
that
is
is
really
important
to
us.
Is
that
we're
building
a
system
in
which
we're
using
shelters
as
a
tool
in
order
to
engage
people
through
our
different
housing,
diversion
and
reunification
programs,
and
so
this
shows
that
we
are
trying
to
level
and
and
really
work
through
the
different
bed
configurations
next
slide.
Please.
S
So
one
thing
that
kurt
mentioned
at
the
start
was
that
we
do
provide
different
types
of
services
to
help
people
exit
homelessness
and
that
we
had
actually
exited
174
people
between
january
and
july.
This
just
gives
you
an
example
of
the
different
factors
and
the
different
functions.
S
So
I
know
that
this
is
a
topic
that
comes
up
quite
frequently,
and
that
is
how
we
use
the
facility.
So
this
reflects
the
navigation
program
nightly
average
monthly
night
average
night
we
census
per
month
for
the
past
two
years.
S
The
navigation
program
was
provided
at
bridge
house
prior
to
this
june,
at
which
point
it
was
taken
over
by
boulder
shelter
for
the
homeless.
But
this
gives
you
an
idea
of
where
we
believe
not
only
where
we
have
been
on
our
census,
but
also
where
we
expect
to
go
from
september
through
next
may,
a
couple
other
tools
that
are
out
there.
S
I
would
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
mention
that
the
municipal
court
was
just
awarded
a
grant
which
will
help
us
bridge
people
who
are
close
to
who
are
close
to
being
housed,
who
are
also
high
utilizers,
so
that
will
take
off
some
of
the
stress
on
shelters
and
persons
experiencing
unsheltered
homelessness,
so
that
that
is
a
really
exciting
piece
of
news.
S
And
again,
I
would
say
that
we
couldn't
have
gotten
to
these
levels
at
the
shelter
without
some
really
concerted
effort
from
both
boulder
shelter
for
the
homeless
and
bridge
house
in
providing
those
home
exits.
S
S
One
of
the
other
things
I
wanted
to
this
is
one
of
our
extras
that
we
wanted
to
let
everybody
know
that
the
county
is
establishing
a
dedicated
demon,
we'll
be
providing
testing
and
vaccine
on
a
regular
basis
for
our
own
house
population,
and
this
will
begin
in
mid-october.
They
will
be
doing
asymptomatic
testing
and,
in
addition,
they
will
be
providing
flu
vaccine
clinics.
S
So
returning
to
the
questions
does
council
have
any
input
on
severe
weather,
shelter
plan
our
overflow
plan
or
our
criteria
for
severe
weather,
shelter,
day
stays.
One
thing
I
will
note
before
the
discussion
starts
as
I
was.
I
did
not
mention
that
there
is
a
requirement
that
we're
setting
up
this
year
for
a
severe
weather,
shelter
entry
to
require
a
coordinated
entry
screening
process
to
happen
to
be
able
to
use
the
severe
weather
shelter.
As
with
all
of
our
other
programs.
S
That
may
not
know
exactly
what
coordinated
entry
is.
It
is
our
front
door
to
our
home,
our
single
adult
homeless
program,
and
that
provides
us
the
opportunity
to
screen
people
to
figure
out
what
their
particular
needs
are
and
where
their
best
program
alignment
is
and
also
allows
us
to
provide
diversion
services
for
people
who
could
possibly
be
diverted
from
the
shelter
system
and
long-term
homelessness.
S
And
with
that
that
concludes
my
presentation
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
may
have.
N
F
Thanks
junie
and
thanks
vicky
and
kurt
for
the
presentation,
there
were
a
couple
things
that
were
confusing
to
me,
so
I
wanted
to
clarify
the
critical
weather
conditions
versus
severe
weather
shelter.
I
found
just
new
terminology.
I
guess
so.
I
wanted
to
clarify
what
the
critical
weather
conditions
apply
to
is
the
32
and
38
degree
threshold
still
relevant
to
any
of
our
services.
So
that's
kind
of
question
one:
what's
severe
weather
shelter
versus
critical.
S
The
short
answer
is
yes,
they
are
still
relevant.
The
32
and
38
are
what
we're
calling
our
are
established
or
standard,
severe
weather,
shelter
criteria,
the
critical
weather
conditions
are
those
30
cold,
estimated
30
coldest
nights
of
the
year,
so
that's
10
degrees
or
below
and
or
six
inches
of
snow.
R
So
it
doesn't
necessarily
impact
what
it
impacts
is
the
capacity
and
the
capacity
would
increase
on
those
nights.
F
F
S
F
R
It
triggers
the
all-day
it
triggers
when
the
shelter
would
be
open
all
day.
It
also
triggers
the
additional
20
hotel
rooms
that
would
be
added
right.
M
So
those
additional
rooms
are
only
available
on
the
critical
weather
thresholds,
and
that's
also
when
you
get
the
all-day
daytime
shelter
and
both
of
those
things
would
be
true
throughout
the
entire
sheltering
season.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,
okay,
but
then
it's
in
that
december
to
march
december
1st,
to
march
15th
that
the
the
basic
number
of
beds
are
is
available
every
night
and
then
the
rest.
The
sheltering
season
is
with
the
3238
threshold.
R
And
aaron
the
reason
we
decide
to
go
in
that
direction
of
opening
every
night
is
because
in
reality,
it's
open,
like
85
percent
of
those
nights,
anyways
from
a
planning
perspective,
as
well
as
just
simplicity
and
understanding
it
for
the
clients
who
would
use
the
system.
It
seemed
to
make
sense.
M
F
It's
okay.
I
have
a
couple
more
questions,
so
I
wanted
to
clarify
that
and
I
I'm
sorry
I
can't
pull
up
the
presentation,
so
I
wasn't
able
to
go
back
and
confirm,
but
in
terms
of
the
number
of
beds
last
year
for
the
versus
this
year,
can
you
just
really
cleanly
lay
out
here's
the
max
beds
we
had
in
a
2019
season
and
here's
our
max
beds
for
this
season,
as
well
as
how
many
of
those
are
unrelated
to
covid
like
if
you
took?
R
So
I
think
last
year,
vicki,
if
I'm
correct,
we
had
282
beds
this
year,
it's
about
195.,
if
you
take
out
the
crc
that
goes
down
to
180.
R
However,
it's
it's
also
worth
noting
that
the
crc
has
worked
very
well
as
a
place
of
respite.
You'll
know
that
actually,
the
majority
of
individuals
that
have
stayed
at
the
crc
are
actually
not
covered.
Positive
and
we've
had
even
individuals
this
summer,
who
have
come
out
of
a
surgery
or
some
sort
of
medical
condition
and
they've
stayed
at
the
the
crc
for
their
recovery.
Those
are
actual
individuals
in
our
community
that
if
the
crc
was
not
there,
they
would
actually
be
going
to
the
shelter
to
stay
there.
F
Thanks
for
that
clarification-
and
I
I
do
appreciate
that
feature
the
crc-
it
seems
like
a
really
good
community
benefit.
Okay.
So
then
my
next
question.
Well,
the
next
question
is
kind
of
a
larger
and
maybe
trying
to
understand
philosophically
so
it
sounds
like
formerly
severe
weather
shelter
did
not
require
coordinated
entry
program
commitments
right
like
you,
could
just
show
up
and
get
a
bed
without
any
ties
to
coordinated
entry.
Do
I
have
that
accurate
yeah?
F
I
think
I've
seen
kurt,
not
nod,
and
now
we
have
it
that
you
can
have
one
night
without
coordinated
entry
and
that's
it
for
the
season
without
using
coordinated
entry
for
severe
weather
shelter.
Is
that
accurate.
F
So
does
everybody
qualify
for
coordinated
entry?
I
know
there's
a
six-month
window
for
for
something,
so
I
just
want
to
figure
out
by
adding
in
coordinated
entry
requirements
just
to
make
it
very
transparent
and
clear.
What
does
that
mean
for
people
who
want
shelter
from
the
cold
on
a
cold
night
assuming
that
they
they
want
to
go
through
coordinated
entries
and
anybody
ineligible
for
the
second
night
or
the
tenth
night.
S
It
is
a
screening
process,
so
you
are
either
screened
to
a
diversion
program,
navigation
or
housing,
focus,
shelter,
we're
not
requiring
for
use
of
severe
weather
sheltering,
but
we're
not
proposing
to
require
that
you
have
to
be
engaged
with
those
programs.
We're
merely
asking
that
you
go
through
that
screening
process
and
the
idea
behind
that
is
to
hopefully
and
ultimately
get
somebody
into
one
of
those
programs
and
engaged.
F
So
is:
is
anybody
after
they
go
through
coordinated
entry,
not
going
to
be
eligible
to
stay
in
this
fear
by
their
shelter
like
because
of
time
in
the
community,
or
I
don't
know
they,
they
did
it
three
months
ago
and
they're
not
eligible
again
today
to
go
through
coordinated
entry.
Are
there
any
blocks
by
saying
we're
going
to
require
coordinated
entry.
S
No
because
once
you've
gone
through
coordinated
entry,
screening
you've
gone
through
it
have
a
lack
of
a
better
word
credit
for
going
through
it.
For
those
of,
I
think,
you're
you're
getting
at
the
people
that
maybe
aren't
meeting
our
six
month
criteria.
Those
are
are
people
that
well
not
all
diversion.
Clients
are
people
that
have
been
here
less
than
30
days.
I'm
sorry!
Less
than
six
months,
all
people
who
have
been
here
less
than
six
months
do
qualify
for
a
diversion,
so
they
would
still
be
allowed
to
stay
at
severe
weather
shelter.
F
Okay
and
and
just
to
make
sure
I
I
followed
the
other
point
you
made.
If
somebody
went
through
coordinated
entry
in
like
right
now,
and
then
they
come
for
several
weather
shelter
in
two
months,
even
though
they
maybe
didn't
pick
up
any
services,
they
can
still
stay
at
the
shelter
because
they
did
the
the
screen
within
ever
or
within
a
couple
months
or
what's
are
there?
Are
there.
S
There's
no
time
limit
on
expiration
dates.
Yeah,
we
don't.
We
don't
actually
expire
those
those
dates.
What
we
do
is
if
somebody
has
been
in
the
community
for
over
two
years
and
there's
some
reason
why
we
need
to
change
what
where
they
were
screened
too.
We
can
reassess
them,
but
the
it's
hard
to
use
1920,
severe
weather,
shelter
data
because
of
covid.
It
skewed
a
lot
of
our
our
thinking
and
a
lot
of
our
data.
S
But
if
you
look
at
the
1819
numbers
over
85
percent
of
the
people
who
actually
used
our
severe
weather,
shelter
at
30th
street
had
been
through
coordinated
entry
and
it
broke
out
about
half
and
half
of
people
who
were
sent
to
or
referred
to,
housing
focus,
shelter
or
navigation
services,
because
at
the
time
we
didn't
have
diversion
services,
but
it
did
break
out
half
and
half,
and
it
was
the
vast
majority
of
people
that
were
using
the
service,
and
the
only
caveat
I
would
give
with
you
is
that
back
then
we
didn't
have
the
six-month
requirement.
S
F
So
if
I'm
following
you
correctly,
somebody
can
just
go
through
coordinated
entry,
the
screen
and
there's
no
required
follow-up
or
rules
that
they
have
to
follow,
or
you
know
a
prescribed
program
that
they
need
to
be
compliant
with
to
stay
nights
2
through
30
in
the
shelter
is
that
accurate.
S
That
that
is
true,
of
course,
we
would
prefer
that
people
do
engage
with
our
services
so
that
we
can
help
them
in
their
homelessness.
However,
it
is
not
a
requirement.
The
only
requirements
and
and
greg
may
be
able
to
talk
to
this
a
little
bit
better.
They
only
would
they
do
have
to,
of
course,
comply
with
shelter
rules,
but
no,
it
wouldn't
impact
anything
else
and.
F
S
Boulder
shelter
has
a
little
bit
more
structured
plan
on
how
they
actually
do
any
kind
of
response,
and
I
would
defer
to
greg
on
those
questions.
R
So
rachel
can,
I
add
one
more
thing,
one
more
important
point.
It
was
actually
in
on
one
of
the
slides
of
the
presentation,
but
it
we
didn't
speak
about
it.
So
another
of
the
recommendations
is
that
those
that
go
through
severe
weather
shelter
would
have
30
days
of
severe
weather
shelter
through
the
season.
R
So
again,
that's
encouraging
them
to
get
into
services.
What
we
found
in
looking
at
the
severe
weather,
shelter
data
over
the
last
couple
of
years,
is
that
the
the
median
individual
who
goes
to
severe
weather
shelter
stays
there
about
three
and
a
half
or
four
nights
in
season.
However,
there
are
individuals
that
stay
much
longer
than
that
who
are
part
of
our
community
and
use
severe
weather
shelter.
F
Okay,
thanks
for
that
clarification,
just
in
terms
of
the
different
rules,
possibly
it
seemed
like
there
were
different
times
that
people
could
arrive
for
the
shelter
versus
bridge
house
is
severe
weather
shelter.
Allow
you
still
to
arrive
later.
R
E
This
is
greg
boulder
shelter
for
the
homeless.
Our
our
normal
curfew
times
would
apply
for
all
of
our
programs
this
winter.
So
that
means
check-in
time
is
from
five
to
seven
pm.
F
S
They
they
used
to
not
have
a
curfew,
but
in
the
last
year
they
did
establish
a
curfew.
I
believe
it
was
originally
nine
o'clock
and
then
it
moved
up
to
eight
as
we
started
working
on
the
transport
between
bridge
house
and
the
crc
and
boulder
shelter,
so
they
they
did
bump
it
up.
Traditionally,
they
also
found
that
by
about
seven
seven
thirty,
they
were
fully
booked
in.
S
Rare
occasions
where
the
police
officers
might
bring
somebody,
but
generally
for
getting
people
voluntarily
coming
up
it
they're
going
to
deal
with
it
earlier
in
the
evening.
R
Look
at
look
at
each
individual
as
they
go
into
every
shelter
and
screen
them
for
covet
symptoms,
and
if
we
leave
that
open
from
five
o'clock
to
ten
o'clock,
it's
very
difficult
to
run
that
process
over
five
hours
so
having
to
define
works
for
the
shelter
last
year.
And
it
also
worked
for
for
30th
street.
At
the
time
that
covet
became
a
challenge
in
our
community.
F
Thanks
for
that,
clarification
too,
I'm
almost
out
of
questions
here
junie,
so
I
promise
won't
be
too
much
longer
for
the
daytime
opening
for
the
shelter
at
10
degrees.
That
just
seems
a
little
well.
It
seems
very
cold
to
me,
given
that
the
a
lot
of
the
library
spaces
aren't
still
open
have
did.
Was
there
any
thought
given
to
the
reduction
in
daytime
spots
around
the
community
due
to
covid
and
how
we're
counterbalancing
that.
R
So
I
think
the
daytime
services
were
put
in
place
to
to
respond
to
the
lack
of
public
facilities.
R
The
shelter
normally
didn't
have
daytime
services
and
greg
may
want
to
speak
to
this,
but
they
were
looking
at
how
that
could
be
structured
within
their
staff,
as
well
as
having
a
few
hours
to
be
able
to
clean
the
facility
at
30th
street
this
spring
they
opened
in
the
middle
of
the
day,
for
I
think
it
was
three
or
four
hours
and
then
it
had
to
be
cleaned
afterwards.
R
E
E
F
Thanks
greg,
I
guess
I've
I've
I'll
save
most
of
it
for
discussion,
but
I
it's.
It
would
seem
to
me
that
10
degrees
is
pretty
pretty
cold
for
critical
and
I
would
think
that
there
are
health
hazards
at
a
higher
temperature.
So
maybe-
and
I
understand
you
said
that
10
degrees
is
the
long
standing
day-
shelter
opening
threshold
but
again,
given
that
a
lot
of
the
places
that
people
might
go
ordinarily,
are
are
not
available
now.
Is
there
a
room
or
was
there
discussion
about
raising
that
temperature
threshold
higher.
S
And
and
if
I
could
maybe
clarify
the
core
time
period
heat
that
greg
is
talking
about
between
december
1st
and
march
15th,
those
would
use
the
those
would
be
open
every
day,
regardless
of
temperature
until
11
30.,
so
it
doesn't
have
to
hit
10
degrees
to
be
open.
F
And
I
did
understand
that
I
guess
I'm
just
thinking
if
it's
12
degrees
and
I
have
to
leave-
I
don't
know
where
I
would
go
and-
and
I
would
think
that's
that's
a
a
low
temperature
to
be
out
in
the
cold.
So
that's
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
how
we
where
where
people
will
go
and
if
that's
the
right
temperature,
but
again
I'll
I'll,
save
that
for
discussion.
I
think
that's
all
I
have
for
now.
I
really
appreciate
your
responses.
Q
Thank
you
judy.
I
had
a
couple
of
clarification
questions
as
well.
First
of
all,
on
the
the
first
slide,
you
have
the
38
degrees
plus
precipitation.
What
is
the
actual
chance
of
precipitation
that
triggers
that
requirement?
So
is
it
30
40
50,
it's
30.,
30..
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
and
my
other
is,
I
don't
know
if
this
is
going
to
be
for
greg
or
not,
but
there
are
still
obviously
people
who
cannot
be
sheltered
in
severe
weather,
shelter,
people
with
pets.
Q
I
believe
I
don't
know
people
who
are
a
couple
that
want
to
be
sheltered
in
the
same
place
if
that's
still
against
the
rules,
but
there
are
those
groups
that,
regardless
of
them
being
in
coordinated
entry
or
not,
they
could
not
access
severe
weather,
shelter,
correct.
E
Yeah,
there
are
always
people
that
we
can't
serve
for
for
a
number
of
different
reasons:
some
people
who
don't
want
shelter
or
some
people
who
can't
stay
in
the
shelter
for
a
myriad
of
different
reasons,
two
of
them
that
you
just
highlighted
one
people
with
pets.
Of
course,
we
we
permit
service
animals,
but
not
pets,
and
we
do
serve
married
couples
or
couples.
But
of
course,
they
have
to
stay
in
in
separate
dormitories.
Q
Gotcha,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I
understood
that,
while
we're
discussing
later
on
those
are
my
two
main
questions.
Thanks
rachel,
you
asked
a
lot
of
what
I
watched
asked
too
so
appreciate
that.
M
Thanks
thanks
for
the
presentation
and
the
information
folks
and
rachel
covered
almost
everything
I
would
have
asked,
but
I
got
a
couple
last
ones
for
you.
I
think
you
mentioned
a
grant
which
sounded
intriguing.
Could
you
tell
us
a
little
bit
more
about
what
that's
going
to
fund
and
what?
How
that's
going
to
help
us
out
so.
R
Can
I
interrupt
there
for
a
second
vicki,
so
so
judge
cook,
and
I
actually
had
a
conversation
about
this
today
and
she
would
prefer
to
give
the
information
and
details
on
that
grant.
R
While
we
know
those
details,
it
was
written
by
the
court
navigators
and
I
prefer
that
she
give
the
information
on
that
because
that's
what
she
requested.
M
I
always
like
to
have
something
to
look
forward
to
so
I'll.
Take
that
okay.
So
I
guess
my
other
question
so
we
had
been.
L
C
M
Had
raised
the
issue
about
what
overflow
would
look
like
during
this
sheltering
season
right,
and
so
it's
as
I
understand
that
the
answer
to
what
overflow
looks
like
as
proposed
is
that,
on
the
critical
weather
nights,
we
will
have
20
additional
beds
available
in
hotel
hotel
rooms,
for
I
guess
individuals
who've
been
around
a
little
bit
longer.
Who
would
then
make
space
at
the
shelter
for
20
additional
people?
So
is
that
a
fair
summary.
M
And
what
do
we
do
if
there's
you
know
if
it's
like
that,
not
a
critical
weather
night,
you
know
it's
12
degrees
and
not
10,
you
know,
or
it's
just
a
regular
cold
night
and
and
we
get
more
people
who
are
looking
for
a
severe
weather
shelter
than
we
have
beds
for.
R
So
I've
got
a
couple
things
that
I'll
mention
around
that.
First
of
all
that
that
that
situation
can
happen,
no
matter
what
our
triggers
are
sure
and
how
many
beds
we
have,
there's
always
that
that
risk
of
of
turnaways
so-
and
I've
mentioned
this
many
times
before,
but
the
communication
for
a
lot
of
individuals
who
are
homeless.
R
Who
who
travel
it's
important
for
them
to
know
what
the
capacity
of
the
community
is
for
us
to,
hopefully
prevent
that
when
there
was
a
number
of
when
there
was
almost
a
third,
more
beds
or
twice
as
many
beds
a
few
years
ago.
R
That
was
a
real
challenge.
The
thing
I
will
mention-
and
I,
if
you
could,
if
you
could
remember
back
to
march
and
april
when
about
every
two
weeks,
we
were
giving
an
update
to
council
on
things
that
we
were
changing
or
implementing
or
expanding
because
of
covet.
R
R
A
time
with
council
probably
to
discuss
something
if
there's
clearly
challenges
that
need
to
be
addressed.
But
we
would.
But
we
would
also
look
forward
to
giving
you
updates
as
ips
or
whatever
on
a
regular
basis
or
we're
in
alignment
with
your
regular
covet
updates
that
you'll
probably
be
receiving
through
the
season.
M
R
Well,
first
of
all,
it's
160
beds.
We
will
always
have
well
for
the
main
part
of
the
season.
Well,
even
for
the
majority
of
the
season,
we
have
160
beds,
not
including
the
crc.
R
So
greg
can
maybe
give
a
little
more
history
here
about
this,
how
the
seasons
normally
play
out,
but
normally
in
october
there
will
be
a
couple
days
or
a
day
of
turnaways
which
it's
important
for
that
to
happen
before
it
gets
too
cold.
We,
we
probably
would
have
some
flexibility
to
increase
over
those
20
beds
in
the
situation
that
you've
defined.
R
R
Yeah,
so
if
you
always
provide
a
bed
for
everyone
who
comes
every
night
and
you
keep
expanding
in
that
way,
it
does
increase
the
number
of
individuals
until
you
get
to
a
point
where
you
can't
expand
anymore,
which
is
what
happened
a
few
years
ago,
and
then
you
have
a
huge
number
of
turnaways.
M
H
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
kurt.
Thank
you,
vicky
great
presentation,
just
a
couple
of
quick
questions.
How
do
our
weather
triggers
compare
to
those
of
other
cities,
longmont
fort
collins
or
denver
in
terms
of
accessing
severe
weather,
shelter
or
critical
weather,
shelter.
R
R
I
don't
have
it
in
front
of
me
now,
but
we
did
that
research.
I
think,
last
year.
At
that
time
the
city
of
boulder's
weather
triggers
were
at
least
10
to
15
degrees,
higher
than
other
communities
that
have
weather
triggers.
But
vicky
do
you
know
what
the
triggers
are
in
denver
right
now
or.
S
S
H
S
So
it
there,
there
are
a
number
of
reasons
why
people
may
be
resistant.
Some
of
it
is
mental
illness
and
there's
a
distrust
of
systems
and
and
there's
sometimes
a
fear
factor
of
being
in
a
congregate
setting.
S
There
are
cases
where,
as
councilmember
member
swetlick
mentioned,
that
they
maybe
have
something
that
precludes
their
use
of
sheltering
ongoing,
so
something
like
a
pet.
So
there
really
isn't
any
difference
between
severe
weather,
shelter
and
ce,
as
opposed
to
year-round
programming
and
ce.
The
the
barriers
are
pretty
much
the
same.
H
Okay-
and
my
last
question
is:
how
quickly
can
you
be
responsive
to
an
extreme
weather
event
if
the
need
were
there
to
go
beyond
the
195
beds
that
are
presently
the
maximum,
and
you
saw
a
weather
system
coming
in
and
it
was
just
going
to
be
so
brutal
that
that
you
needed
to
make
a
quick
accommodation?
S
So
there
we've
had
lots
of
practice
of
that
this
year
in
this
past
spring.
So
you
know,
I
would
say
our
our
nonprofits,
and
particularly
our
partner
with
boulder
shelter
for
the
homeless,
are
very
reactive.
S
How
many
hotel
rooms
are
available
at
the
hotel
and
so
boulder
shelter
does
talk
to
some
of
the
other
area
hotels
to
to
see
if
we
have
some
backup
options
and
if
it
were
to
get
extremely
bad,
where
there
was
a
talk
of
needing
to
open
a
secondary
facility
that
gets
a
little
bit
more
problematic.
That
takes
a
little
bit
more
response
time
in
order
to
get
all
the
things
that
go
into
it.
S
We
set
up
the
crc
in
four
days,
but
generally
expanding
to
open.
We
can
do
within
a
number
of
hours.
R
Mark
could
I
just
add
one
more
thing.
Well,
so
we
we
could
add
a
few
hotel
rooms
with
relatively
short
notice.
However,
a
different
facility
is
that's
a
huge
lift
and,
first
of
all,
there's
very
few
facilities
in
our
city,
where
you
can
actually
sleep
individuals
because
it
requires
fire
sprinklers.
R
D
You're
you're,
you're,
muted.
B
Twice
tonight,
so
I
just
have
one
question
on
slide:
eight,
you
have
the
census
comparison
and
starting
september,
you
have
an
estimated
and
it
looks
like
the
estimated
number
of
folks
and
housing
focused.
Shelter
is
expected
to
go
up
by
20
or
30
or
so
is.
Why
is
that
what
what
happens
at
that
point
to
raise
the
number
of
people.
R
Well,
during
that
time
of
the
year,
we
off
often
see
a
trend
in
that
direction,
but
what
we
did
for
our
estimate
is.
We
also
took
that
trend
and
we
added
five
percent
to
it
to
be
conservative,
but
during
the
winter
season
those
numbers
typically
go
up.
F
Thanks
just
a
couple
of
follow-up
questions,
so
finances
wise.
If
we
reduced
capacity
by
a
hundred
beds,
roughly
do
do,
we
have
a
cost
savings
from
that
or
where
did
the
money
go
and
obviously
putting
the
coveted
beds
the
crc
aside,
because
I
assume
that's
being
paid
out
of
covid's,
specific
funding
or
hopefully
getting
reimbursed
for
that?
What
did
what?
How
did
that
impact
our
budget.
R
So
we
increased
our
funding
into
housing
this
year.
If
you
remember
part
of
the
approach
was
to
continuously
work
at
getting
individuals
housed
out
of
the
shelter
to
make
room
to
accommodate
the
severe
weather
shelter.
So
those.
R
I
mean
30th
street
was
relatively
expensive
because
it
was
who
were
renting
a
building
and
it
was
a
whole
nother
set
of
staff
required
to
work
at
24,
7
approach.
So.
F
R
It's
it's
not
a
one
to
one,
the
I'm
gonna.
I
believe
it's
about
two
or
slightly
more
two
to
three
people
that
you
need
to
house
to
get
a
sort
of
a
permanent
one-person
reduction
at
the
shelter
I
think
it's
about
to.
But
we
would
have
to
come
back
with
you
on
that
exact
number.
But
it's
in
that
ballpark.
F
Okay,
thanks
and
then
just
something
that
you
mentioned
about
communications
just
raised
a
couple
more
questions
for
me.
So
one
is:
what
is
the
communication
strategy
facing
out
towards
people
who
will
need
severe
weather
sheltering
a
couple
weeks
ago
where
we
hit
the
cold
snap
or,
however
long
ago
that
was.
There
was
some
question
about
like
these.
Are
you
know
it's
new
information
going
out
and
do
we
have
it
on
our
website
and
what
time
is
it
getting
there?
R
So
I'll
let
craig
respond
to
that.
One.
E
E
We
we
will
make
the
call
24
hours
in
advance
when
we're
in
the
weather
triggered
season,
but,
unlike
last
year,
will
be
open
every
night
for
sws
from
december
1st
through
march
15th.
So
the
actual
need
for
communications
during
that
time
period
will
be
significantly
less
there'll,
be
far
less
uncertainty
for
our
clients.
They'll
just
know
for
sure
that
we're
open
every
night,
so
hopefully
it
will
actually
be
a
much
easier
task
than
last
year.
F
Yeah
thanks
for
that
greg
and
will
the
city's
website
include
that
information
at
all
like
we
have
a
severe
weather,
shelter
page?
Will
we
also
get
it
up
ideally
24
hours
in
advance.
R
It
will,
but
I
don't
think
people
actually
use
that
website
for
that
information.
So
the
shelter
has
a
website,
but
predominantly
people
hear
about
it
through
the
services.
First
of
all,
when
they,
when
they
leave
that
day,
they
already
know
if
it's
going
to
be
open
or
not,
because
that
announcement
has
already
been
made,
but
also
programs
like
community
table
and
harvest
of
hope,
our
hot
team
to
be
there
team.
R
All
those
individuals
or
programs
would
be
a
place
for
communication
as
well,
which
is
also
something
that
happened
last
year.
F
And
thanks
for
that
so
like
during
the
last
cold
snap,
some
people
reached
out
to
me
and
and
didn't
know
where
to
look
for
the
information
and
also
said
it
was,
you
know,
didn't
want
to
trek
all
the
way
north
to
find
out
that
the
shelter
was
at
capacity.
So
will
there
also
be
information?
E
We
we
have
not
done
that
in
the
past,
and
I
I
don't
anticipate
that
we
would
it's
very
difficult
to
do
because
we
can
have
20
or
30
people
show
up
at
a
quarter
of
seven,
so
it
that
that's
just
really
challenging
and
I'm
afraid
that
we
would
mislead
more
people
than
we
would
help.
If
we
tried
to
do
that.
F
A
couple
last
spring
to
to
get
information
on
whether
we
had
reached
capacity,
and
I
would
think,
as
well
as
we're
going
into
this
new
sort
of
hotel
voucher
system
and
all
the
different
you
know-
covered
crc
beds
and
covid
related
and
hotel
level
one
and
then
the
extra
level
two
triggers.
P
I
just
have
one
question:
it's
really
a
follow-up
to
the
questions
that
aaron
and
and
mark
asked.
If
we
were,
if
we
were
just
a
couple,
two
three
beds
short
on
a
particular
night:
do
we
have
kind
of
a
kind
of
a
mutual
aid
agreement
or
just
an
understanding
with
some
of
the
other
shelters
like,
for
example,
in
longmont?
We
do
as
a
matter
of
practice.
If
we
were
a
couple
of
beds
short,
do
we
call
up
there
and
say
hey
guys,
we've
got
a
few
extra
guys
here.
P
S
Right,
but
they
do
do
something
called
emergency
shelter
on
cold
nights,
so
they're,
basically
using
all
of
their
beds
anyway.
So
on
a
situation
where
we
would
be
approaching
an
overflow
situation,
they
probably
are
too,
but
we
have
in
the
past
matter
of
fact.
Last
spring
there
we
set
up
a
program
where
we
moved
people
between
bridge
house
and
bsh
to
better
utilize
beds.
S
You
know
so,
if
that's,
if
that
is
the
will
of
the
council,
we
can
certainly
talk
to
some
of
the
other
counties
and
see
the
I
will.
We
we've
had
similar
conversations
with
some
of
our
partner
counties,
and
I
will
stress
that
transportation
becomes
a
problem
if
you're
talking
about
an
extremely
bad
weather
situation,
getting
people
up
the
highway
in
place.
Other
places
gets
very
dangerous.
D
D
R
D
Or
who
declined
its
service
because
of
going
through
that
process.
R
I
think
we
could
probably
see
it
see
a
way
to
do
that.
Yes,.
D
Thank
you,
and
I
think
I
just
wanted
to
follow
up
with,
I
think
part
of
the
question
it
was
asked
by
mark
and
rachel
and
to
me
it
wasn't
clear
enough
for
me.
I
was
just
wondering:
is
there
a
penalty?
For
instance,
let's
say
I
come
to
the
severe
weather
shelter
and
you
wanted
me
to
go
to
coordinated
entry,
and
I
said
no,
I
just
went
out.
I
just
want
a
bed
to
lay
my
head.
R
You
don't
get
turned
away
they'll.
What
you
will
be
told,
though,
is
that
if
you
want
to
stay
additional
nights,
you'll
be
required
to
go
through
coordinated
entry
and
coordinated
entry
will
be
avail
available
for
you
the
next
day.
You
don't
actually
have
to
do
it
that
evening.
D
R
Correct
the
other
thing
that
I'll
note
is
we're
opening
a
office
downtown
the
very
beginning
of
november
at
9th
in
arapahoe,
and
it
will
be
in
office
in
the
in
the
downtown
area
for
coordinated
entry.
So
it
will
be
another
point
for
individuals
to
go
through
coordinated
entry,
as
well
as
diversion
services
that
will
be
run
all
day
monday
through
friday.
D
Thank
you,
and
I
think
I
just
wanted
to
follow
up
with
10
degrees,
12
degrees
threshold
and
it
just
dawned
on
me
that
we've
been
talking
about
homeless
services.
You
know
since
I've
been
on
council,
which
has
been
10
months,
but
part
of
the
discussion
is
that
you
know
with
people
not
having
access
to
shelter
unless
it's
10
or
12,
12
or
10
degrees
is
day
services.
Are
there
a
lot?
Are
there
day
programs?
For
let's
say
someone
cannot
stay
at
the
shelter
because
it's
not
below
12,
but
let's
say
it's
15
or
20.
D
R
D
S
Not
as
such,
I
believe
community
table
starts
a
little
bit
earlier
at
like
4
30,
but
they
are
not
the
last
time
and
this
could
have
changed,
but
the
last
time
they
communicated
to
us.
They
were
not
planning
on
having
day
services.
D
O
Question
quick
question:
if
I
may
call
colloquy
or
just
follow
up
on
this,
what
about
harvest
of
hope,
I
thought
they
were
open
during
they
are
yes.
S
Harvest
of
hope,
as
with
everything
else,
is
very
limited
in
the
amount
of
time
you
can
be
in
there.
So
it's
really
more
of
a
picking
up
of
picking
up
food
and.
N
F
Well,
I
haven't
been
too
quiet,
so
I'll
go
ahead
and
kick
us
off.
I'm
pretty
concerned
about
the
the
day,
shelter
situation,
given
that
the
libraries
are
closed
and
my
understanding
is
that's
a
a
natural
fit
for
a
lot
of
people,
given
that
we
don't
have
day
services.
So
I
I
don't
know
what
the
solution
is,
but
that
just
seems
too
cold
and
I
would
I
would
like
us
to
talk
about
having
day
shelter
somewhere
be
available.
F
I
don't
know
what
the
right
threshold
is,
but
10
degrees
is.
It
doesn't
seem
right.
So
that's
one
just
thing.
I
hope
we'll
talk
about
it.
It
seems
that
if
we
are
requiring
coordinated
entry
screens
to
stay
at
severe
weather
shelter
that
that's
a
change,
that
should
be
intentional.
So
I
would
think
that
council
should
dialogue
about
that
and
talk
through
what
the
benefits
are
and
also
consider
whether
that
would
maybe
make
more
sense
to
do
not
in
2020,
which
is
already
such
a
difficult
year.
F
So
it's
an
extra
hurdle,
it
seems
like-
and
I
just
wonder,
is
that
does
that
need
to
be
done,
and
especially
this
year
and
then
how
did
we
get
to
the
cap
at
30
nights?
Does
that
make
sense
to
counsel
and
the
fact
that
we
have
reduced
available
beds
by
a
hundred?
It
seems
like,
like
a
significant
number
to
me,
so
that
also
seems
like
it
should
be
intentional,
and
so
I
just
want
to
flag
that
as
hopefully
things
that
we
will
talk
through
tonight.
F
I
think
that
I
I
don't
tend
to
be
in
the
majority
of
council
on
on
this
subject.
So
I'm
not
sure
it's
that
important
to
say
what
I
would
like
to
see
happen,
but
I
again,
I
think
that
the
the
30
night
cap
that
switched
to
coordinated
entry,
the
reduction
by
100,
should
all
be
really
intentional
by
this
council
and
and
should
be
talked
through,
and
I
will
say,
I
think,
for
the
10
degree
threshold
that
that
doesn't
seem
that
doesn't
seem
right.
So
that's
my
kick
off
thanks.
F
N
R
Rachel,
can
I
just
give
one
clarification
to
rachel.
The
30
days
is
not
a
cap.
It's
when
we
look
back
over
the
last
six
years.
It's
been
about
30
days
per
season,.
F
So
I
must
have
misunderstood
that
so
maybe
just
a
follow-up.
So
if
could
somebody
stay
in.
R
F
H
Can
I
agree
with
rachel
for
a
second,
please
actually
rachel,
I
I
would
be
most
interested
in
and
hearing
what
you
would
like
to
see
happen.
I
you
know
we're
always
looking
for
solutions,
and
you
know
I.
I
would
like
to
know.
F
Agreed,
oh
thanks
mark
for
your
interest.
I
would
say
that
I
would.
I
would
not
have
coordinated
entry,
be
a
requirement,
maybe
consider
it
in
a
future
year,
but
especially
while
we're
dealing
with
covid
and
just
a
lot
of
the
upheavals
of
2020
and
and
we
know
that
it
is
an
extra
burden
for
some
people.
F
I
would
just
probably
not
ratchet
that
up
this
year,
so
I
would-
and
I
understand
that
kurt
and
vicki
have
good
reasons
for
wanting
to
connect
people
with
services,
and
that
is
our
housing
first
model,
and
it
makes
sense,
still
wouldn't
do
it
this
year
and
in
terms
of
the
reduced
capacity
by
a
hundred.
I
that's
part
of
why
I
asked
about
the
budget
like
do
we
have
some
extra
money
or
is
there
some
finagling?
F
We
can
do
because
that
just
seems
like
a
sharp
reduction
and
what
we've
seen
around
town
this
year
doesn't
lead
me
to
believe
that
we're
gonna
have
just
you
know
a
precious
few
people
seeking
shelter
on
cold
nights.
I
think
we're
gonna
my
my
prediction
is
that
we
will
be
turning
people
away
and
and
reaching
capacity,
and
I
would
like
for
us
to
have
a
more
robust
plan
and
fewer
fewer
if
any
beds
lost
when
we
were.
F
We
were
already
turning
people
away
last
year
with
an
extra
100
beds
in
terms
of
the
30-day
cap
I
feel
like.
I
need
more
information
on
that
like
how
did
we
arrive
at
that
number?
Is
that
a
irrational
way
to
approach
this
and
then
to
adam's
point
about
like
there
are
people
who
just
can't
stay
at
shelter?
F
I
think
that
gets
to
some
of
the
other
issues
that
we've
been
struggling,
including
safe
parking
and
right
to
rest
and
and
what
do
people
do
on
those
cold
nights
and
and
how
do
we
treat
people
with
dignity
and
compassion,
especially
when
it's
lethally
cold
out?
So
thanks
for
asking,
I
appreciate
it.
P
Yeah
a
few
things
first,
let
me
just
I'll
make
a
broad
statement.
I
endorse
the
staff's
recommendations
and
the
approach
the
staff
has
taken.
So
I
appreciate
that
and
I
I
would
not
propose
any
changes
to
what
staff
is
recommending
with
respect
to
coordinated
entry,
and
specifically,
we
have
experimented
with
that.
P
We,
we
tried
last
spring
to
to
take
all
comers
without
requiring
coordinated
entry
and
it
was
a
mess,
because
if
you
don't
have
to
go
through
coordinated
entry,
you
won't,
if
you
don't
go
through
coordinated
entry,
we
can't
give
you
stable
housing.
So
I
think
that
is
not
it's
coordinator.
Entry
is
just
a
registration,
that's
all
it
is.
It
takes
a
few
moments.
P
P
P
We've
also
looked
at
best
practices
in
other
cities
and
are
applying
those,
and
I
would
also
finally
observe
that
our
temperature
thresholds,
at
least
the
ones
that
staff
presented
to
us
last
spring,
sounds
like
vicky
indicated
that
there's,
maybe
some
adjustments
going
on
I'll,
be
interested
to
see
where
were
those
heading,
but
at
least
as
of
last
spring,
boulder
was
significantly
higher
than
most
of
our
peer
cities
that
had
temperatures
significantly
lower
than
our
thresholds.
And,
of
course,
when
that
happens,
people
tend
to
migrate
to
boulder.
P
Because
if
we're
the
only
place
open,
they'll
come
here
and
we
we
mathematically,
we
can't
take
all
comers,
and
so
we
have
to
have
some
sort
of
guardrails
on
what
it
is
that
we'll
do.
I
would
have
three
requests
of
staff.
However,
I
I
will
endorse
the
staff
recommendations.
P
I
do
have
three
requests
number
one
I'd
like
to
see
some
periodic
reporting
I'll
leave
that
up
to
curt
vicky
as
what
that
looks
like
whether
that's
on
a
weekly
basis
or
bi-weekly
basis,
but
relatively
frequently
it'd
be
nice
to
have
just
a
quick
ip,
maybe
a
system,
paragraph
or
two.
You
know
we
get
a
west
nile
report
in
the
summer
time
that
comes
on
a
weekly
basis,
but
just
something
from
staff
or
from
the
shelter
that
indicates
some
of
the
things
we
talked
about
tonight.
As
far
as
how
many
people
do
we
serve?
P
How
many
beds
are
extra,
do
we
do
we
have
to
turn
anybody
away?
I
think
one
of
the
council
members
asked
for
some
information
on
how
many
people
declined
to
participate
in
coordinated
entry
after
that
first
night.
So,
whatever
information,
you
think
would
be
helpful
to
us.
I
think
it
would
be
nice
to
have
a
periodic
report
during
the
course
of
the
winter,
so
we
can
kind
of
track
trends
and
see
how
things
are
going.
P
H
P
Too,
deep
into
the
winter,
perhaps
cac
could
schedule
an
update
of
this
meeting.
Oh
30
or
45
minutes
to
hear
how
things
are
going
in
the
first
few
weeks
of
the
winter,
and
then
we
can
decide
at
that
point
if
we
need
a
midwinter
update
as
well
and
then
finally,
I
think
it'd
be
hell.
I
don't
know
what
this
looks
like,
I'm
just
going
to
throw
it
out.
There
would
be
nice
if
we
could
have
a
little
bit
of
optionality.
P
G
P
Point
it'd
be
a
real
tragedy
if
we
came
up
three
short
on
a
particular
night,
and
so
what
I
don't
know
if
that
looks
like
mutual
aid
with
longmont
or
whether
that's
some
extra
hotel
rooms
that
are
kind
of
on
super
standby.
P
P
I'd
hope
that
we
would
find
a
place
whether
it's
squeezing
people
in
or
opening
up
a
rec
center
or
having
a
hotel
on
on
double
standby,
or
something
like
that
just
so,
we
have
a
little
bit
of
a
safety
valve
if
there's
just
a
couple,
two
three
people
that
are
that
are
without
housing
on
a
particularly
cold
night.
So
those
are
my
three
recommendations,
but
I
think,
generally
speaking,
this
is
a
good
plan
and
I'd
like
to
check
in
very
frequently
to
make
sure
it's
working.
M
Yeah,
so
I'm
going
to
I'll
echo
some
of
rachel's
concerns
here
that
I
we
are
looking
at
many
fewer
bets
this
year
and
I
appreciate
the
overflow
option
with
the
hotel
rooms,
but
I'm
concerned
that
we're
going
to
fall
a
fair
amount
short
on
the
need
that
exists
kind
of
within
our
own
community.
M
So
you
know
last
year
we
had
the
path
to
home
facility,
as
well
as
the
boulder
shelter
and
obviously
there
was
more
beds,
but
it
also
provided
for
backup
and
reinforcement
options,
and-
and
I
thought
everybody
did
a
fantastic
job-
the
shelter
and
bridge
house
in
the
city
and
kind
of
being
able
to
to
move
folks
around
to
make
sure
that
we
had
a
little
additional
capacity
on
on
the
toughest
nights.
M
So
I'm
really
concerned
that
we've
lost
that
ability-
and
you
know
like
bob
was
talking
about
with
you
know,
if
we're
falling
a
little
bit
short
right.
If
we're,
if
we
find
out
that
hey
we've,
we've
almost
got
it
right
in
terms
of
the
need
in
the
community
and
what
we're
providing
but
we're
consistently
three
or
five
or
eight
beds
short.
I
I
just.
I
really
don't
want
to
see
those
folks
turned
out
into
the
cold
kind
of
night
after
night
after
night.
M
So
I'd
really
I
get
that
you
know
we
can't
serve.
You
know
800
additional
people.
You
know
that
our
resources
are
finite,
but
I
just
really
hope
that
we
could
have
well
not
just
hope.
I
would
very
much
want
us
to
see
you
know
some
flexibility,
some
backup
options
that
so
that
we
can
deal
with
you
know
small
or
moderate
additional
needs.
M
I
do
like
rachel
said:
I'm
I'm
concerned
about
the
the
day
options
as
well,
because
of
we
don't
have
the
public
spaces
available
in
the
same
way.
So
I
appreciate
that
the
shelter
is
planning
on
being
open
during
the
day.
Some
days.
That's
great.
It
hasn't
generally
been
the
practice.
So
thank
you
for
that
flexibility,
but
the
the
threshold
is
at
such
a
low
temperature
and
and
if
that
it's
not
open,
I
don't
know
what
other
options
people
are
going
to
have
on
those
coldest
of
days.
M
So
I
don't
know
if
we
can
change
that
threshold
or
have
some
other
option
available
during
these
extraordinary
times,
when
the
usual
resources
aren't
available
and
and
just
in
terms
of
coordinated
entry,
I'll
say
it.
It
does
make
sense
to
me
to
have
coordinated
entry
be
involved
here,
because
that's
how
we
connect
people
to
services
and-
and
it
is,
it
is
a
fairly
doable
thing
to
go
through
coordinated
entry.
M
I
think
that
one
night
free
is
important,
so
when
people
show
up
they
get
a
night,
it
doesn't
matter,
but
the
next
day
I
think
it's
pretty
doable
to
to
get
to
the
coordinated
entry
facility.
So
I'm
fine
with
that,
but
I
so
I'm
just
I'm
I'm
concerned
about
those
those
the
overflow
needs
and
and
about
the
the
day
needs
during
these
times,
so
appreciate
the
the
thought
and
care
that
you
put
into
the
this
plan
for
sure.
So
thanks
very
much
for
that,
and
for
all
that
that
you
all
do.
Q
Thanks
judy
yeah
I'll
start
pretty
broadly,
you
know
this
conversation
is
always
a
really
tough
one
to
have-
and
I
understand
this
is
not
a
criticism
at
all
of
our
city's
work
but
to
have
a
lottery
system.
It
feels
very
hunger
gamesy
to
me,
you're,
essentially
choosing
who
gets
to
survive
any
given
night.
That's
pretty
crazy
that
we
have
to
live
in
a
world
like
that,
and
I
hope
that
both
our
state
and
our
national
government
will
step
up
at
some
point.
Q
So
we
can
actually
address
these
problems
at
their
core
again,
not
a
criticism
of
you
guys.
It's
just
that's
a
tough
conversation
and
when
we're
looking
specifically
at
this,
I
do
share
a
lot
of
the
concerns
that
rachel
and
aaron
have
put
out
there.
I
did
really
like
bob's
idea.
Q
You
know,
I
think,
we've
all
come
to
the
conclusion
that
this
is
a
regional
issue,
so
if
we
can
coordinate
regional
beds
in
any
way
possible,
I
understand
that's
very
difficult
on
a
severe
weather
night,
but
that
brought
me
to
the
idea
of
hey.
You
know
if
we
rent
a
school
bus
and
it
has
a
heater
in
it.
The
chances
of
someone
surviving
staying
in
a
school
bus
with
a
heater,
a
lot
higher
than
if
they're
out
in
the
cold.
Q
So
even
if
we
had
the
transportation
system,
that
itself
is
maybe
more
survivable
than
nothing
at
all.
So
yeah,
I'm
not
gonna,
try
to
go
and
net
pick
too
much,
what's
already
been
said,
but
surviving
over
just
over
10
degrees.
Even
during
the
day,
I
think
is
a
difficult
task
and
also,
I
think,
bob
made
a
few
good
points
about
what
type
of
data
we
should
see
on
a
regular
basis
and
something
that
I
think
is
important
is
we
started
getting
turnaway
data
on
a
regular
basis.
Q
Q
I
think
it's
kind
of
important
that
we
know
what
the
amount
of
deaths
from
hypothermia
and
cases
of
frostbite
we
have
on
a
consistent
basis
are
because
those
are
measurements
and
they're
horrible
things
we
have
to
measure,
but
I
think
it's
our
responsibility,
as
as
the
leaders
of
this
community
to
know
exactly
what's
happening,
and
even
if
it's
terrible,
so
those
would
be
my
requests.
Thank
you.
B
Yeah
and
thank
you
to
staff,
as
always
for
the
hard
work
on
this.
I
have
to
comment
at
how
much
more
sophisticated
and
layered
this
approach
is
today
than
it
was
when
I
got
on
council
in
2013
when
pretty
much
everything
was
done
by
lottery.
So
there
were
no
shell
housing
focused
shelter
beds.
B
There
was
no
navigation,
there
was
no
set
aside
for
the
crc
and
we
didn't
have
hotel
beds,
and
so
this
is
a
very,
very
different
plan
and
staff
has
got
a
lot
of
nuance
in
the
thinking
about
how
the
housing
focus,
shelter
approach
interacts
with
severe
weather
shelters.
So
I
appreciate
the
deep
thought
that
staff
has
put
into
this
and
also
the
coordination
with
the
county
effort.
B
So
generally
just
answer
the
questions.
I
I
think
this
is
a
good
place
to
start.
It's
never
going
to
be
good
enough.
So
one
of
the
things
about
this
conversation
that
I
think
everyone
has
to
realize
is
I'm
going
to
quote
greg
harm's,
probably
not
exactly
here,
but
we
cannot
solve
regional
and
national
problems
with
limited
local
resources,
so
we
always
have
to
try
and
make
it
better,
but
there
will
always
probably
be
people
who
are
falling
through
the
cracks.
B
So
we
should
try
and
seal
the
cracks
up,
but
we
have
to
not
let
the
perfect
be
the
enemy
of
the
good,
in
the
sense
that
we
have
to
serve
as
many
people
as
we
can
with
the
resources
we
have,
and
we
have
to
do
it
as
effectively
as
we
can
towards
that
end.
I
will
say
that
the
coordinated
entry
has
been
a
huge
huge
advance
for
us,
because
we
can
answer
the
questions
like
adam
just
put
out
in
the
past.
B
It
was
very
hard
for
us
to
know
who
came
to
access
services
when
it
was
just
a
lottery.
You
know
it
was.
It
was
guesswork
and
and
who
you
saw
the
most
often.
So
I
think
this
is
a
good
start.
I
have
to
agree
with
aaron
and
bob
in
the
sense
that
we
we
need
to
have
a
little
elasticity
when
we
have.
You
know
on
the
on
the
coldest
of
nights
on
the
critical
nights
is
when
we
need
the
most
elasticity.
I
think
input
on
the
overflow
plan.
It's
a
start,
it's
good.
B
You
know
it
has
both
the
crc
and
the
the
hotel
beds
involved,
and
I
think
that
is
positive
and
it's
different
than
what
we've
had
before.
When
the
overflow
plan
was
kind
of
ad
hoc
and
it
became
a
that,
boho
often
was
the
the
place
of
choice
for
folks
to
go.
B
They
didn't
have
to
go
all
the
way
north
and
there
were
no
rules
necessarily
or
at
least
a
smaller
set
of
rules,
and
so
the
other
piece,
of
course
about
coordinated
entry,
is
it
does
direct
people
to
services,
and
the
goal
here,
of
course,
is
to
keep
people
from
from
suffering
in
severe
weather,
but
that's
not
an
ultimate
solution.
That's
a
that's!
B
What
you
do
for
the
night
and
the
day
when
it's
super
cold
and
people
are,
are
in
need
of
shelter,
but
the
long-term
solutions
have
to
look
to
you
know
with
the
long-term
problem,
and
so
yes,
we
need
to
shelter
folks,
but
I
really
do
think
that
the
long-term
shelter
is
is
where
we
have
to
concentrate
on
this
input
on
the
criteria
for
severe
weather,
shelter
stays.
B
I
think
it's
interesting
this
year
that
we
have
a
difference
between
severe
weather
shelter,
which
we
used
to
be
weather,
triggered
and
now
that
those
triggers
are
just
it's
open
all
winter,
mostly,
and
then
we
have
this
additional
critical
weather,
so
that's
a
a
new
trigger
and
it
it
it
expands
the
system
which
is
one
that
most
needs
to
be
expanded.
So
I
think
the
staff
plan
is
is
a
really
good
start.
B
B
So
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
realize
that
one
thing
that
has
happened
over
the
last
four
years
is
the
number
of
people
who
were
going
through
coordinated
entry
in
2017
about
21
of
them
had
been
here
for
less
than
six
months
about
41
had
been
here
less
than
six
years
and
now
in
2020.
B
61
of
the
people
going
through
coordinated
entry
have
been
here
for
less
than
six
months,
and
almost
70
percent
have
been
here
for
less
than
one
year.
So
when
we
have
to
make
tough
decisions
about
who
to
serve
with
limited
resources,
I
think
we
want
to
start
with
the
people
who
have
spent
the
most
time
here
and
have
the
most
attachment
to
our
community.
Those
are
the
ones
that
we
need
to
focus
on
first
and
adam
I'll.
Come
to
your
point
about
the
lottery.
B
These
housing
focused
beds
and
those
are
people
who
have
gone
through
coordinated
entry
and
who
are
trying
to
get
into
housing,
and
then
we
have
people
who
are
going
through
navigation
services
and
the
you
know
I
think
greg
could
speak
to
some
of
the
policies
at
the
shelter
that
that
focus
on
the
most
vulnerable
first,
but
this
lottery
system
is
now
the
last
thing
being
used
for
the
walk-up,
as
opposed
to
the
only
thing
being
used.
So
I
I
think
this
is
a
very,
very
good
start
from
staff.
B
I
look
forward
to
thinking
about
how
we
can
bulk
up
everything
else,
but
I
will
also
say
that
in
the
past
there
were
no
day
services.
You
know
there
was
nothing
to
offer.
Bridge
house
was
one
of
the
first
organizations
that
offered
day
services,
that's
how
they
got
started
and
their
foothold
here
in
boulder
was
the
carriage
house.
B
So
the
situation
is
better
than
it's
been.
We
do
have
less
beds
than
we
did
last
year
and
there
is
covid
and
both
of
those
are
areas
of
concern.
B
So
one
of
my
thoughts
to
one
of
bob's
suggestions,
which
I
thought
was
good
about
getting
periodic
updates
is
we
could
create
a
dashboard
that
we
could
look
at
at
our
will.
I
mean
it's
nice
to
get
ips,
but
those
often
go
by
pretty
quickly.
The
dashboard
that
we
have
up
now
is
how
I
got
the
numbers
about
how
long
people
have
been
here,
and
so
an
idea
might
be,
if
you're
going
to
collect
the
data.
B
The
council's
asking
for
may
put
it
in
an
ip,
but
I
think
having
it
on
dashboard
would
be
great
because
then,
rather
than
you
having
to
do
an
ip
every,
you
know
two
weeks
or
four
weeks
and
get
it
to
us.
If
the
dashboard
was
updated
once
a
week,
we
could
go
check
ourselves
and
then
I
agree
with
with
the
idea
of
having
you
come
back
in
the
last
meeting
in
december.
B
So
we
can
check
in
on
how
things
have
gone
and
if,
if
things
aren't
going
well,
we
can
schedule
another
one
in
february
or
something
like
that.
So
you
know
not
to
say
we're
we're
there
yet,
but
I
do
just
want
to
emphasize
this.
This
is
the
most
sophisticated
approach
that
we've
had
so
far
as
far
as
I
can
tell,
and
we
need
to
keep
our
eye
on
it,
but
we've
added
services
and
we've
added
pathways
out
of
homelessness
that
haven't
ever
been
here
before.
B
So
I
want
to
thank
the
staff
for
all
the
work
that
you
do
on
this.
You
don't
get
thanked
enough.
You
get
criticized
quite
a
bit
and
I
think
you
probably
knew
that
when
you
stepped
into
these
positions,
but
it
doesn't
make
it
any
easier.
So
I
appreciate
your
hard
work
and
this
problem
is
one
that
we
wrestle
with
every
single
year
and
through
the
winter
we
typically
wrestle
with
it
two
or
three
times.
I
just
want
to
appreciate
everybody
who's
continually,
trying
to
make
it
better.
That's
all
junie
thanks.
P
Thank
you
so
much,
please,
I
I
agree
actually
with
sam.
I
think
the
dashboard
is
fantastic
and
it's
been
a
great
tool.
We've
had
it
up
for
for
three
years
now,
it's
a
place.
I
go
to
all
the
time
for
information
and
I
appoint
community
members
to
that
as
well.
My
only
criticism
of
the
dashboard
is
information
is
often
stale
right
now.
P
The
most
current
information
you
get
is
the
end
of
august
and
and
for
a
while
there
we
were
actually
several
months
behind
I
suspected
to
do
a
staffing
and
just
availability
of
people
didn't
put
that
data,
but
I
agree
with
sam
rather
than
having
you
guys,
have
to
write
a
weekly
or
periodic
ip.
If
you
could
just
update
that
dashboard
once
a
week,
that
would
be
great.
That's
all
the
information
we
could
possibly
need.
R
Can
I
just
give
an
input
judy
to
that,
so
we
we
had
one
of
our
data.
We
had
our
department
had
two
data
folks
working
for
us.
One
was
on
furlough,
the
other
was
working
on
other
things.
Within
our
departments
we
were
actually
down
to
zero
data
individuals
for
about
a
month
and
a
half
we've
just
hired
a
new
data
individual
and
they
started
I
think
two
weeks
ago,
and
that's
actually
why
it's
updated
to
august.
R
F
Janie
can
I
call
equate
as
well
into
sam's
points.
May
I
or
sam
just
the
first
on
the
day
sheltering
and
that
this
is
a
you
know,
an
improvement
because
we
didn't
used
to
have
it.
F
I
would
just
sort
of
gently
counter
that
I
think
the
reality
is
that
we
have
had
it
sort
of
de
facto
at
the
libraries
and
that
they're
largely
closed,
and
so
I
think
this
year
is
a
step
down
in
terms
of
day
services,
because
when
it's
really
cold
out
and
and
the
libraries
are
not
open
or
have
significantly
reduced
capacity,
people
won't
have
a
place
to
go.
So
that's
a
big
issue,
I
see
for
day
services.
That's
that's.
F
I
just
wanted
to
echo
that
and
say
that
I
I
also
appreciate
all
the
work
that
you
do
and
think
that
we
all
have
our
heart
in
the
right
place
and
we're
all
trying
to
make
this
a
better
situation
for
the
the
people
that
we're
trying
to
help
and
serve,
and
I
think
sometimes,
we
or
the
community
sort
of
make
things
personal
and
maybe
don't
trust,
each
other's
intentions.
F
And
so
I
realize
it
is
a
hard
job
and
and
that
you
are
all
acting
from
the
a
place
of
of
wanting
to
help.
So
I
appreciate
it
thanks.
B
Hey
rachel
well,
thank
you,
colloquy
on
your
colloquy,
and
thank
you
for
that.
One
of
the
things
that
we
have
done
successfully
in
the
past
has
used
members
organizations
of
our
faith
community
to
help
us
out
and
to
the
day
services
point
we
do
need
to
clean
the
spaces
where
people
stay
in
the
evening.
It
might
be.
It
might
be
an
interesting
thing
to
approach
some
of
the
folks
in
the
faith
community,
because
they've
reached
out
to
me
in
the
past
saying
what
can
we
do
to
help
you
know?
B
How
can
we
make
this
situation
better
and
in
this
year
they
may
be
even
more
inspired
to
do
that
than
usual,
so
it
might
be
worth
reaching
out
to
some
of
the
organizations
who
used
to
support
boho
and
who
have
expressed
interest
in
being
helpful
and
see
if
we
can
use
them
for
day
shelter,
because
I
do
agree
with
rachel's
gentle
reminder
that
the
libraries
are
often
a
de
facto
day
shelter
and
they're,
essentially
not
available
this
winter.
B
N
Thank
you.
Is
there
mary
you're
next.
O
So,
thank
you,
everyone
for
your
comments
and
especially
staff
for
all
your
hard
work.
O
One
of
the
things
you
know
sam
mentioned,
how
different
things
are
from
2014
when
we
first
started
down
this
path
and
one
of
the
things
that
sam
didn't
mention
was
that
at
that
point
in
time
we
weren't
housing
people
and
now
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
are
housed
and-
and
I
think
that's
a
real
important
point
this
afternoon-
greg
and
I
greg
harms
and
I
exchanged
some
emails
back
and
forth
regarding
the
lottery
system,
and
I
was
trying
to
understand
it.
O
I
think
that
the
slide-
that's
the
census
slide
that
has
the
blue
and
the
orange
if
you
could
bring
it
back
up.
I
think
that
answers
some
of
the
questions,
because,
in
the
conversation
that
the
email
conversation
that
greg
and
I
had
he
was
saying
you
know-
I
expressed
the
same
concerns
that
others
have
with
the
lottery,
and
I
think
the
reason
that
greg
is
confident
that
the
lottery
won't
even
be
necessary
is
because
of
this
graph
here
and
is
the
way
I'm
reading.
This
is
that.
O
R
O
All
right,
so
I
think
that
this
is
the
graph
that
tells
us
that
that
provides
some
level
of
confidence,
that
the
lottery
will
be
not
be
used
will
be
used
very
little
if
at
all,.
R
That's
correct:
it
would
only
be
used
on
those
nights
where
they
think
they're
going
to
reach
capacity.
So
it's.
O
Okay,
so
that's
one
point
that
I
wanted
to
make.
I
also
with
respect
to
the
day
shelter
I
like
the
idea
of
reaching
out
to
the
faith
community
and
seeing
if
they
can
provide
that
gap
sheltering
between
11
30
and
5
p.m.
O
There's
also
potentially
another
place,
that's
much
closer
by
and
I'm
wondering
if
that
might
be
available,
which
is
doesn't
lee
hill
have
a
fairly
big
kind
of
community
room,
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
that's
not
something
that
could
be
used
for
those
five
hours
on
those
days,
that
it
is
10
degrees
or
below
or
or
some
cold
weather
trigger,
because
I
I
do
think
that
that
it
there
is
a
gap
there
that
from
11
30
to
5
there
is
definitely
a
gap
that
needs
to
be
addressed,
and
then
I
agree
with
the
points
made
regarding
the
the
two
to
three
the
elasticity
as
sam
referred
to
it.
O
I
think
that's
a
perfect
solution,
especially
now,
if
you
have
that
you
have
a
a
data
person
and
then
with
respect
to
the
coordinated
entry.
The
coordinate
entry
is
what
we
can
attribute
all
of
our
housing
successes
to
without
that
people
wouldn't
be
getting
permanently
housed
and,
ultimately,
that's
the
solution
that
we're
looking
for
the
30
days
is
is
a
rational
conclusion
based
on
the
fact
that
most
people
and
I
forgot
the
percentage
most
people
stay
three
to
four
nights.
O
If
that,
and
so
there's
very
few
people
that
even
stay
the
30
days.
So
I
think
that
is
that
is
based
on
data
and
and
past
experience.
O
I
think
that
is
all
I
have,
and
I
agree
with
with
coming
back
sometime
before
we
get
too
late
into
the
winter,
to
just
just
a
quick
update
and
in
lieu
of
coming
to
council
every
other
week.
The
dashboard
will
suffice.
Thank
you.
N
F
That
my
hand
must
still
be
up.
I'm
sure
you've
all
heard
enough
for
me
tonight,
but
I
don't
have
anything
else.
H
Yes,
very
briefly,
I
thought
the
program
put
forth
by
staff
is
excellent.
I
think
it's
nuanced.
I
think
it's
addressing
the
problem
as
as
best
that
we
can.
I
agree
with
sam's
comment.
We
will
never
have
the
resources
to
solve
a
national
problem
at
the
local
level,
but
we
have
to
do
the
best
that
we
can
do.
H
I
do
share
a
little
bit
of
aaron
and
rachel's
concerns
about
the
temperature
trigger
for
the
critical
weather
standards,
and
I
would
have
no
objection
if
you
wanted
to
look
at
that
again
and
perhaps
nudge
it
a
bit
higher,
but
other
than
that.
I
I
think
it's
a
good
plan.
I
agree
with
the
concept
of
outreach
to
our
faith
community
to
see
if
they
can
provide
some
additional
resources,
particularly
for
day
shelter,
and
I
agree
with
most
of
mary's
comments
as
well,
so
not
to
belabor
it.
N
D
You
mark
and
thank
you
all
for
this
lively
discussion.
Just
a
quick
recap
is,
I
do
agree
at
first.
I
did
agree
with
rachel
with
this
idea
of.
I
was
concerned
about
the
coordinated
entry
through
the
severe
weather
shelter
but
after
hearing
from
aaron
and
how
it's
just
a
vehicle
to
get
people
housed
and
it's
not
a
heavy
lift.
D
I
think
I
I
agree
with
it
as
well.
If
you
know
the
idea
is
to
get
people
housed,
I
think
that's
heading
in
the
right
direction,
but
I'm
still
very
much
concerned
about
the
day
service
issue.
I've
been
concerned
about
that,
since
I
got
on
council
and
I'm
still
very
much
concerned
about
it,
and
I
think
it
goes
back
to
what
aaron
mentioned
it's
either.
The
threshold
is
too
low
at
this
moment.
D
If
not,
I
think
I'll.
Just
thank
kurt
for
his
presentation
is
there
any?
Is
anyone
have
any
question
or
comments?
No,
okay,
perfect.
Well,
I
would
like
to.