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A
Ages,
2
and
above
and
the
cdc
order
still
requires
masks
on
public
conveyances,
so,
for
example,
rtd
uber,
lyft,
etc.
We'll
also
see
masks
continue
to
be
required
on
airplanes
and
at
airports
for
ages.
Two
and
older
there's
a
march
18th
date
for
renewal,
slash
extension
unclear
what
the
transportation
security
administration
will
do
with
that
at
this
moment.
A
As
I
mentioned,
boulder
county
public
health
has
issued
a
public
health
advisory
to
help
guide
the
public
with
how
to
navigate
this
new
world
that
advisory
states.
You
know,
businesses
and
other
entities
may
choose
to
implement
their
own
mask
policies
and
when
not
required,
of
course,
individuals
may
choose
to
mask
based
on
their
own
risk
tolerance.
A
A
These
basic
public
health
principles
are
still
in
effect.
Outdoors
are
less
risky
than
indoors.
Increasing
airflow
indoors
also
reduces
risk
I'll,
bring
your
attention
to
the
testing
recommendation,
which
is
within
our
public
health
advisory
that,
if
you
intend
on
being
in
close
proximity
to
folks
that
are
at
high
risk
for
severe
disease,
we
recommend
getting
a
test
beforehand
to
help
reduce
that
risk
next
slide.
A
In
essence,
if
you
are
up
to
date
on
your
vaccines
and
for
most
individuals,
age,
18
and
older,
that
means
that
you
have
had
two
doses
plus
a
boat
booster.
If
you
are
up
to
date,
then
the
recommendation
is
to
just
wear
a
face
covering
if
you
are
in
close
proximity
to
a
person
who
is
at
high
risk
or
if
you're,
in
a
setting
that
primarily
serves
individual
at
high
risk,
and
all
of
these
face
coverings
have
an
asterisk
on
that.
A
This
is
just
the
link
to
our
advisory.
With
those
recommendations,
we
tried
to
keep
it
simple
and
easy
to
follow.
Hopefully,
you
find
it
that
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
C
I
was
waiting
for
it.
Thank
you
trina,
for
this
presentation
and
for
sharing
this
information.
One
of
the
questions
that
I
have-
and
this
is
just
coming
out
of
primarily
the
disability
community,
and
especially
those
who
are
high
risk.
I
think
there
is
a
concern
that
folks
are
going
to
need
to
self-isolate
as
we
go
back
to
not
wearing
masks
in
many
places,
and
I
I'm
just
wondering
you
know
any
thoughts
that
you
have
on
that.
C
I'm
just
concerned
about
this
chunk
of
the
population
kind
of
being
left
out
of
things
reopening
as
we're
we're
going
back
to
know
to
not
have
a
mass
and
just
any
thoughts
that
you
have
about
that
or
how
how
we
can
support
the
folks
in
our
community
who
are
dealing
with
disabilities
and
may
find
this
to
be
a
a
way
of
not
including
them
in
the
community.
D
Sure,
I
think,
you're
raising
a
really
good
point
and
I
think
what
has
happened
is
when
we
release
these
public
health
orders
and
the
mass
mandates
go
away.
D
It
does
fall
on
the
individual
community
member
to
take
responsibility
for
making
sure
that
they're
protecting
themselves,
and
that
is
a
shift
right
so
before
you
could
go
into
a
grocery
store
and
everybody
was
wearing
masks
now
you
might
enter
into
a
grocery
store
and
you
have
chosen
to
wear
a
mask
and
for
people
who
are
medically
vulnerable,
which
would
include
individuals
of
the
disability
community.
D
Yes,
we
we
want
to
make
sure
that
they
are
protected,
which
is
why
this
public
health
advisory
is
so
important
for
people
to
heed.
Some
of
the
you
know,
suggestions
and
recommendations
that
we
are
shifting
the
risk
mitigation
from
you
know
a
public
health
order
to
individual
responsibility,
and
that
does
mean
that
you
do
have
to
kind
of
assess
your
risk
in
terms
of
gathering
with
people
not
knowing
their
vaccination
status.
D
You
know,
and
and
also
trying
to
think
through
how
to
protect
yourself
and
your
family,
and
I
think
that
makes
it
hard
for
a
lot
of
people,
but
I
do
feel
that
with
the
vaccination
rates
being
as
high
as
they
are
in
our
community
that
we
are
actually
looking
pretty
good
and
I
do
expect
that
our
rates
will
go
below
the
high
transmission,
probably
shortly
in
the
next
couple
weeks.
D
Now,
that's
barring
any
variance
or
anything
to
come,
but
I
think
over
time,
as
we
move
into
the
summer
months,
we
should
probably
start
feeling
a
level
of
comfort
that
maybe
we
haven't
felt
in
a
while,
and
so
it's
also
that
risk
tolerance
and
being
able
to
start
taking
on
doing
things
that
you
haven't
been
able
to
do
so.
I
hope
that
answers
your
question
or
helps
but
you're
right.
E
Yeah,
thanks
again
for
the
presentation
and
it's
helpful
to
have
a
check
in
on
this
information,
and
I'm
just
so
thankful
that
we're
seeing
the
drop
that
we're
in
and
I
hope
that
it
continues
to
go
that
direction.
E
Is
there
like
going
to
be
a
portal
or
a
way
to
generate
that
granulation
so
that
you
know
we
could
that
there's
a
way
for
daycare
centers
to
see?
Well,
what
are
the
rates?
What
are
what
are
the
current
conditions,
with
five
and
under
or
or
where
are
elementary
schools
or
middle
or
high,
and
then
they
can
make
their
more
scalpeled
decisions
rather
than
that
broadsword
of
mandate
or
not
on
on
the
large
scale.
D
Yeah
so
great
question,
and
we
do
have
a
lot
of
that
data
and
it
does
exist
within
our
data
surveillance
that
we
put
out
weekly,
and
so
we
know
we're
monitoring,
particularly
different
age
groups.
We
had
to
stop
the
race
and
ethnicity
data
collection,
because
the
volume
of
cases
during
the
most
recent
omicron
surge
was
so
high
that
our
team
couldn't
keep
up
with
pulling
and
abstracting
that
data.
But,
yes,
we
do
plan
to
continue
collecting
that
data
and
monitoring
it
over
time
and
one
of
the
most.
D
I
think,
one
of
the
best
things
that
we
did
as
a
public
health
agency
is,
we
structured
our
epidemiologic
response
and
our
vaccination
approaches
based
on
what's
called
priority
populations.
And
so
we
looked
and
said.
Who
is
that
greatest
risk
here?
And
this
includes
populations
in
long-term
care
facilities,
k-12
early
childhood,
our
jails,
our
shelters
and
what
we
did
was
we
built
teams
that
were
specifically
focused
on
supporting
those
individual
priority
populations.
D
So
we
have
a
really
amazing
relationship
with
our
ece
and
they
have
weekly
meetings
and
we
have
weekly
meetings
with
our
k-12
with
our
school
districts
and
our
independent
schools.
And
then
there
are
weekly
meetings
also
with
long-term
care
facilities.
So
all
of
those
relationships
aren't
going
away.
D
We're
gonna
just
see
how
we're
doing
with
our
own
community
transmission
see
what
happens
with
upcoming
vaccinations
in
terms
of
what
might
be
protection
that
might
be
offered
immunologically,
keeping
also
a
front
of
what
all
the
treatment
options
are
and,
and
that
is
all
shared
within
those
teams,
and
so
I
I
think
you
all
should
feel
you
should
feel
confident
that
we're
going
to
continue
working
in
that
direction
and
we
have
the
resources
to
continue
that.
That
was
the
cdc
funding
and
they
thought
very
long
term
about
how
to
approach
this
until
2024.
D
Knowing
that
this
is
not
just
going
to
be
over
in
a
year
I
mean
last
year
we
were
really
celebrating,
you
know
our
rates
had
gone
down.
We
were
looking
good,
we
had
hit,
70
percent
of
our
population
have
been
vaccinated
and
then
delta
hits
and
then
all
micron
hit
right.
So
these
are
changing
landscapes,
but
I
do
feel
that
boulder
county
has
some
of.
C
D
B
Thank
you
so
much
does
anyone
have
any
additional
covid
questions
related
to
that
update?
B
Okay,
with
that,
let's
move
on
to,
I
think
max
and
jack,
stop.
D
Listen
tira
I'll
just
go
ahead
and
tee
this
out,
so
that
came
up
from
the
city
was
regarding
mute,
suicide
and
mental
health.
We
know
that
mental
health
has
been
a
real
challenge
over
the
pandemic
in
the
last
few
years,
and
so
we
do
have
michael
wu
here
from
our
data
surveillance,
team
and
jax
gonzalez
from
our
community
health
team
and
they're,
going
to
talk
about
what
we're
seeing
with
youth
suicide.
G
Thank
you
indira
yeah,
so
my
name
is
michael
wu.
I'm
an
epidemiologist
with
boulder
county
public
health.
So
next
slide,
please
what
I'm
going
to
be
discussing
with.
You
is
a
lot
of
the
data
that
we
have
regarding
youth
suicide.
G
G
G
If
we
break
down
this
number
by
the
10
to
17
year
old
age
groups,
we
see
that
that
number
actually
goes
up
by
they're
up
by
41
in
2021,
compared
to
both
the
years
2019
and
2020..
Those
two
years
are
very
similar
next
slide.
Please,
and
what
this
is
showing
here
is
you
know
each
of
the
other
age
groups
with
the
same
metric
here
of
suicide,
ideation
ed
visits,
and
we
have
it
broken
down
by
the
different
percentages
compared
to
either
2019
or
2020.
G
For
the
most
part,
we
see
that
there
are
increases
across
the
board
next
slide,
please
so
that
was
by
age
group
and
what
we're
also
seeing
when
we
look
at
this
10
to
17
year
old
age
group,
is
that
in
general
there's
a
lot
more
ed
visits
for
suicidal
ideation
among
females
compared
to
males
for
both
for
for
every
year.
You
know
2021
through
2019,
but
you
know
in
2020.
G
That
was
the
only
year
where
we
saw
that
the
female
there
were
less
than
half
of
an
increase
in
those
visits
compared
female
to
male
next
slide,
please.
G
So
what
this
is
showing
is
when
we
break
down
that
information
by
race,
ethnicity,
among
the
same
age
group,
the
10
to
17
year
olds.
G
G
So
once
again,
this
is
emergency
department
visits,
but
this
time
for
suicide
attempts
and
in
the
general
population
in
boulder
county,
we
see
that
82
percent.
We
have
an
82
increase
in
2020
compared
to
2019,
and
then,
when
we
look
at
2021
compared
to
2020,
there's
an
11
increase
as
well.
G
So
when
we
break
it
down
further
and
look
at
the
10
to
17
year
olds,
we
see
that
in
2021
there
is
a
63
increase
in
those
number
of
visits
per
suicide
attempt
compared
to
2020,
and
that
2021
number
is,
you
know
twice
as
high
as
that
compared
to
2019
next
slide,
please
so
the
same
breakdown
here
we
see
that
over
twice
as
many
of
the
females
in
this
age,
category
visited
the
emergency
department
for
a
suicide
attempt
compared
to
males
across
every
year.
G
There
are
a
lot
of
you
know
similar
paths
that
or
trend
that
we're
seeing
for
both
of
these
metrics
over
the
different
months,
starting
from
the
beginning
of
the
pandemic
in
march
of
2020.,
and
that
once
again,
this
is
sorry.
This
is
among
the
10
to
17
year
old
age
groups.
G
So
this
graph
is
looking
at
actual
deaths
by
suicide.
I
know
this
graph
is
hard
to
look
at
and
I
apologize
for
that.
What
I
want
you
to
focus
on
is
this
blue
line,
which
is,
if
you
look,
you
know,
towards
the
november
area.
That's
the
end
point
for
that
blue
line.
G
What
this
is
really
showing
is
we
don't
see
a
statistical,
significant
change
in
terms
of
actual
deaths
by
suicide,
even
though
we
saw
that
suicide
ideation,
as
well
as
suicide
attempt
visits
and
the
emergency
department
were
much
higher
next
slide.
Please,
oh
and
sorry
back
to
that
other
slide.
That
slide
was
in
regard
to
the
entire
state,
not
just
boulder
county,
so
the
next
slide.
G
So
once
again,
the
blue
line,
which
ends
in
september
of
2021,
is
the
one
for
for
last
year
and
just
letting
you
all
know
that
the
reason
that
this
date,
the
data
cuts
off
at
september,
is
because
the
fourth
data,
the
fourth
quarter,
data
has
not
been
made
available
to
us,
yet
that
information
will
be
made
available
to
us
in
april,
and
so
we'll
continue
to
see
what
the
trend
may
be
once
that,
once
that
data
becomes
available.
G
G
So
what
this
is
looking
at
is
this
the
statewide
data
for
deaths
by
suicide
across
the
different
age
groups.
So
all
the
way
to
the
left
is
the
total
numbers,
and
then
we
see
each
of
the
age
breakdowns
going
from
left
to
right
with
the
oldest
population
to
the
right.
G
G
And
then,
when
we
look
at
the
same
type
of
data
when
specific
to
boulder
county
residents,
we
also
see
that
there's
a
lot
more
fluctuation
here
and
part
of
the
concern
here
is
that
when
we
start
to
get
into
smaller
numbers
that
changes
in
those
numbers
can
be
a
lot
more
dramatic
because
of
the
small
numbers,
but
still
we're
seeing
that
overall,
the
numbers
don't
seem
to
change
too
significantly.
Although
I
will
say
that
that
65
year
old
age
group
is
pretty
high
for
the
2020
year.
G
But
you
know
part
of
the
limitations
of
the
small
numbers.
Is
that
it's
harder
to
determine
whether
or
not
that's
a
true
association
or
if
it's
an
artifact
of
the
small
numbers
and
that's
all
I
have
regarding
the
data,
I
can
pass
it
to
jax
who's,
going
to
continue
our
information
regarding
the
youth,
suicide
attempts
and
ideation.
H
Thanks
so
much
michael
for
that
overview,
indira,
if
you
could
go
to
the
next
slide
for
us
or
I'm
sorry,
you're
not
doing
that
so
hi
everyone.
My
name
is
jax
gonzalez
and
I'm
the
program
coordinator
for
oasis
at
boulder
county
public
health,
which
is
a
program
serving
lgbtq
youth
in
the
community
health
division.
H
So
we
know
that
lgbtq
youth
are
at
a
higher
risk
for
suicidality
and
and
while
that
data
that
michael
presented
doesn't
have
any
indicators
for
lgbtq
people,
because
that's
not
collected
from
the
source
that
we
resource
that
data
from
I
want
to
go
over
some
of
what
we
know
in
boulder
county.
So
with
nearly
20
percent
of
youth
in
boulder
county
identifying
on
the
lgbtq
spectrum,
there
are
significant
priority
population
and,
with
our
most
recent
data
for
this
measure,
is
from
2019.
H
H
That's
the
program
I
work
with,
and
we
host
youth
groups
and
collaborate
in
bvsd
to
increase
positive
resources
for
mental
and
behavioral
health.
H
H
H
H
So,
with
the
collaboration
of
community
partners,
we're
working
to
increase
opportunities
for
positive
youth
development
in
boulder
county,
and
I
now
open
up
the
floor
to
ask
any
questions
and
I
apologize
for
my
speed
there,
and
I
hope
that
I
was
able
to
slow
it
down
enough.
I
Yeah,
well
thanks
so
much
for
presenting
this.
It's
certainly
some
really
troubling
statistics
about
those
increases
and
ideation
and
attempts,
but
I
also
really
appreciate
you
bringing
up
the
various
resources
that
are
available,
so
that's
incredibly
important
so
and
there
are
a
lot
of
them,
which
is
wonderful,
but
if,
if
we
had
a
community
member
reach
out
to
us
and
say
they
were
concerned
about
a
team
who
might
be,
you
know
considering
this,
what
would
be
a
starting
point
like?
Where
should
we
what's
a
one
point
to
start
people
at.
H
I
think
there
are
a
series
of
different
places
you
could
go
with
that
information.
I
think
the
first
that
I'm
going
to
recognize
is
that
if
an
adult
knows
an
adult
who
works
with
children
is
aware
of
a
child
who
is
having
suicidal
ideation
they're
required
to
report
that,
and
they
report
that
at
the
state
level,
but
for
services
and
support
mental
health
partners
has
a
crisis
center.
H
That
runs
usually
on
a
24-hour
timeline,
and
I
can
send
you
all
the
re
how
to
get
in
touch
with
them
for
those
resources,
specifically
that's
a
great
place
to
start.
Mental
health
partners
also
has
a
community
health
navigator
team
that
will
work
one-on-one
with
an
individual,
either
a
teen
or
adult
to
get
the
mental
health
resources
and
provide
wrap-around
support.
H
H
What
housing
situation
do
you
have
that's
wrap
around
support,
and
so
I'd
say,
mental
health
partners
is
is
one
of
the
the
top
opportunities
in
as
as
far
as
wraparound
support
goes.
In
addition
to.
J
H
K
Thanks
and
thanks
for
the
presentation,
both
michael
and
jax
and
two
questions
you
want
to
make
sure
I
was
under
arrest.
I
was
following
correctly.
K
First:
did
I
see
an
early
slide
that
70
of
or
62
percent
of
people
ages,
70
and
over
or
I
mean
third,
try
is
going
to
be
a
charm
here
of
people
70
and
over
there
has
been
a
62
increase
in
suicide
ideation.
Is
that
accurate
in
the
last
two
years.
G
Yeah,
this
is
michael
wu
that
that
is
correct,
but
I
will
add
a
note
that
the
those
number
of
visits-
so
this
is
specific
to
suicide
ideation.
It's
not
necessarily
attempts
or
deaths
by
suicide,
but
once
again
those
are
numbers
that
are
on
the
smaller
side.
So
you
know
what
I
I'll
tell
you,
I'm
looking
at
the
gra
or
the
table
right
now.
It's
a
it's
a
raw.
It
number
increase
of
13
from
2021
to
2020,
and
that
is
where
that
62
increase
comes
from.
G
So
it
is
62,
but
it
is
also
if
we
just
look
at
the
number
it's
13
additional
visits.
The
other
thing
I
will
say
sorry,
I
don't
mean
to
interrupt
that.
So
this
is
syndromic
data.
There
are
some
limitations
to
that,
and
one
of
the
limitations
is
that
these
are
visits.
These
are
not
necessarily
actual
people
in
the
population,
so
there
is
a
possibility
for
a
single
person
to
have
multiple
visits
and
therefore
count
multiple
times
in
this
metric.
K
K
I
get
it's
a
small
number,
but
it's
still
it's
still
a
startling
number
and
then
the
second
one
I
want
to
clarify,
I
think,
is
to
jax.
K
Did
I
read
it
correctly
that
before
the
pandemic
even
set
in,
we
had
one
quarter
of
our
youth
and
half
of
our
lgbtq
youth,
who
were
so
sad
and
hopeless
that
they
were
like
stopping
activities?
Yes,.
H
You
did
that
survey
was
conducted
in
2019,
released
in
2019
conducted
over
the
2018-2019
school
year
for
boulder
county.
The
healthy
kids
colorado
survey.
J
K
Would
I
would
guess
going
with
my
gut
and
and
some
of
the
er
trips
we're
seeing
that
the
data
is
not
going
to
have
improved
in
the
last
two
years.
K
The
kids
are
probably
not
happier
right
or
less
sad,
so
I
guess
it
just
seems
like
we
have
a
lot
of
of
hopelessness,
sadness
in
the
community,
and
so
I'm
wondering
what
what
steps
is
public
health
taking
not
on
the
individual
but
on
sort
of
the
societal
level,
and
and
are
there
things
that
you
would
recommend
we
as
city
leaders
could
be
doing
to
I
mean
that
these
are
really
troubling
statistics.
H
Yeah,
that's
a
really
great
question.
I'm
gonna,
I
see
indira
put
her
hand
up
and
I'm
going
to
let
her
get
to
that
first
and
then
I
can
respond
a
little
bit
more
specifically
with
what
community
health
is
engaging
in
and
some
ideas
for
moving
forward.
H
D
A
really
good
question:
I
wanted
to
share
that.
There
has
been
a
lot
of
research
that
has
shown
that
getting
children,
particularly
teens
back
into
routines
during
the
pandemic
and
into
normal
activities
such
as
going
to
school,
is
super
beneficial
and
it
helps
to
create
the
connection
that
might
have
been
missing
the
year
prior.
D
So
if
you
think
about
it
in
the
2020
school
year,
it
was
a
really
tough
year,
because
kids
were
going
remote,
they
started
remote
and
they
went
in
person
and
they
went
back
to
remote
and
that
was
really
challenging,
whereas
in
2021
we
recognized
and
worked
really
closely
with
our
school
partners
to
make
sure
that
we
met
and
one
of
our
north
star
goals
in
public
health
was
to
make
sure
that
kids
were
able
to
go
back
to
school
and
that
they
were
able
to
participate
in
activities,
because
we
know
that
those
are
those
social
supports
become
super
important
and
valuable.
D
H
Yeah
so
I'll
just
share
shortly,
because
I
know
we're
a
little
short
on
time
here,
but
community
health,
all
of
our
programs,
are
in
service
to
the
mental
behavioral
and
physical
well-being
of
youth
in
boulder
county,
and
so
everything
we're
doing
is
around
giving
youth
opportunities
to
find
connection
to
be
empowered
to
make
change
to
see
themselves
as
leaders
which
we
know
are
all
ways
to
improve
the
mental
health
of
of
youth
in
our
county.
H
Other
things
that
we
continue
to
continue
to
support
the
growth
of
is
other
opportunities
in
schools,
for
students
to
see
themselves
in
leadership
roles
and
in
mentorship
roles.
We
really
applaud
on
bvsd's
efforts
tonight,
they're,
actually
celebrating
10
years
of
supporting
a
trans-inclusive
policy
that
they
instated
in
2012.
H
It's
actually
10
years
to
the
day
today,
which
is
in
service
to
making
school
spaces
where
children
feel
affirmed,
but
any
opportunity
that
we
have
to
build
more
relationships
between
youth
who
experience,
marginalization
and
adults
who
share
those
identities
can
be
really
impactful
for
youth,
alongside
other
peer
opportunities
for
social,
emotional
engagement
and
that's
really
where
community
health
has
been
focusing
our
efforts.
And
we
we
know
that
at
the
at
the
systematic
level
as
well.
H
Public
health
has
a
dedication
and
a
focus
in
on
mental
health,
and
it's
working
on
building
out
some
roles
to
continue
to
navigate
and
support.
This
work
at
a
at
a
higher
systematic
level
in
our
county.
K
Thanks
for
that-
and
I
would
invite
if,
if
there
are
things
that
that
you
all
think
we
can
be
doing
better,
it's
pretty
disheartening
to
see
that
just
sort
of
how
hopeless
and
both
the
youth
and
and
older
members
of
our
community
are
feeling.
So
please
don't
be
a
stranger
if
there's
something
we
can
do.
E
E
My
question
really
centers
around
what
seems
to
be
a
a
discongruence
with
the
ideation
and
attempts
increasing
so
rapidly,
but
yet
the
deaths
staying
either
static
or
maybe
appearing
statistically
to
decline
a
little
bit
and
I'm
wondering
what
what
is,
and
maybe
you
said
it
and
as
I
was
thinking
of
a
previous
slide,
I
missed
your
your
answer
to
it.
But
what
accounts
for
that?
Widening
division
between
increase
in
attempts
and
ideation,
but
rather
static
flat,
actual
deaths,
is
there
some?
H
Yeah,
michael,
is
it
all
right?
If
I
take
this,
one
michael
and
I
had
a
conversation
about
this
earlier
actually,
which
is
which
is
kind
of
the
challenge
of
data,
is
that
we
can't
actually
tell
you
exactly
why
that's
happening
right.
We
don't
have
qualitative
interviews
to
tell
you
exactly
why,
but
there
are
some.
H
H
Those
attempts
maybe
didn't
end
in
death
as
often
but
that's
speculation,
and
I
can't
tell
you
exactly
why.
D
C
Thank
you
thanks.
Thanks
for
presenting
all
of
us
with
this
information
as
well,
I
just
had
a
couple
of
questions.
First
jax,
you
may
be
the
right
person
for
this
question
and
I
was
just
wondering,
maybe
michael
as
well
just
about
how
some
of
this
some
of
these
data
interact
between
lgbtq
status
and
race.
C
H
Nicole,
I
know
that
we
don't
have
that
data
from
from
the
resource
michael
presented
on,
because
we
again
they
don't.
The
cdc
does
not
collect
data
federally
on
lgbtq
identities.
Healthy,
kids,
colorado
does
have
that.
I
just
don't
have
it
on
hand
to
give
it
to
you,
but
I
can
absolutely
set
it
to
you
after
this
meeting.
C
Thank
you.
I
would
appreciate
that,
and
my
other
question
was
just
how
these
increases
in
suicide
attempt
or
and
ideation
relate
to
mental
illness.
I'm
expecting
that
we're
seeing
a
big
increase
in
mental
illness
as
well,
particularly
among
youth,
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
some
of
these
data
it
you
don't
need
to
give
another
presentation,
I'm
just
wondering
if
you're
seeing
similar,
really
dramatic
increases
there
as
well.
G
C
Thank
you,
and
just
thank
you
for
all
that
you've
been
doing
to
support
everybody
in
our
community
and
our
youth
and
our
lgbtq
youth.
Thank
you.
B
D
So
this
last
section
is
really
a
discussion
about
fentanyl
the
statistics
here,
a
little
trigger
warning.
They
are
a
little
bit
alarming
about
what
we're
seeing
in
our
community.
So
I
just
wanted
to
share
that
with
you,
I'm
going
to
present
the
data
and
then
our
harm
reduction
coordinator,
georgia
babatsukos
is
here
and
she's
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
we're
seeing
in
our
works
program,
which
is
our
syringe
access
program.
D
So
some
of
you
may
or
may
not
be
aware,
but
we
have
the
third
oldest
syringe
access
program
in
the
country
here
in
boulder
county
and
we
are
very
proud
of
this
program
and
so
she's
going
to
share
the
data
of
what
we're
seeing
and
then
also
some
of
the
programmatic
efforts
that
we've
been
seeing
are
what
we're
working
on
and
working
towards
and
then.
Lastly,
we're
going
to
have
a
commander,
nico
or
nicholas
goldberger
from
the
boulder
county
drug
task
force
talk
about
what
he's
seeing
from
a
law
enforcement
perspective
regarding
fentanyl
and
opioids.
D
So
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
just
kick
us
off.
I'm
just
going
to
start
this
off
with
one
caveat,
and
that
is
you
know,
we
talked
as
a
team
prior
to
coming
to
this
city
council
meeting
today
about.
Could
we
get
some
of
the
city
counts
city
of
boulder,
specific
data,
and
it's
really
hard
for
us
to
do
that
without
having
to
suppress
a
lot
of
data,
because
the
numbers
can
get
quite
small,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
share
that.
D
D
So
this
graph
represents
the
emergency
department
visits
for
fentanyl
overdose
among
all
colorado
residents,
and
so
this
represents
2019
is
in
purple
there
at
105,
2020
is
in
green
at
402
and
then
in
2021
is
in
red
at
1047.,
so
in
colorado,
and
since
last
year
we
have
experienced
two
and
a
half
times
the
rate
of
fentanyl
overdoses.
That
present
these
are
people
presenting
in
our
emergency
departments
in
colorado
and
a
10-fold
increase
since
2019.
D
Now
we're
going
to
look
at
opioid
overdoses.
Now
this
is
fentanyl.
This
includes
heroin,
it
includes
you
know
the
opioids
in
pill
form
such
as
like
oxycontin,
and
so
this
is
a
much
broader
kind
of
picture
of
poker
day.
D
D
D
So
what
we
did
was
we
took
a
look
at
the
same
data,
but
we
broke
it
down
by
age
group.
So
the
good
news
is
that
when
we
looked
at
under
18
years
of
age-
and
we
looked
at
the
eating
disorders
for
all
opioid
overdoses-
we
saw
that
there
were
less
than
three.
So
we
suppressed
that
data
right
so
because
it's
less
than
fewer
than
three,
but
when
we
look
at
18
to
24,
20
or
20
of
them
are,
is
what
we
saw
in
2021
next
slide.
D
So
we
take
a
little
closer
look
at
these
30
to
39
year
olds
that
make
up
almost
half
of
the
opioid
overdoses
in
boulder
county
and
when
we
look
at
the
distribution
of
males
and
females
and
we
look
at
gender
identity,
we
see
that
almost
that
among
those
30
to
39
years
of
age,
males
in
boulder
county
represent
more
often
or
they
present
more
often
to
the
emergency
department
than
females.
D
So
this
is
a
pretty
steady
statistics
that
we'll
see
next
slide
please
and
when
we
take
a
look
at
race
and
ethnicity,
that's
what
this
graph
represents
for
2019
to
2020
and
compared
to
you
know.
This
is
just
looking
at
boulder
county.
D
The
data
does
not
suggest
that
release
or
ethnicity
plays
a
role,
but
this
is
definitely
something
that
we
will
be
continuing
to
watch.
So
on.
The
far
left
is
the
percent
of
boulder
county
population,
so,
for
example,
white
non-hispanics
make
up
77
of
the
population
and
you
can
see
between
in
2019,
2020
and
2021
those
those
relative
numbers
are
pretty
high
in
2019
and
89
they're
80
percent
in
2020,
and
they
make
up
73
in
2021.
D
So
we
may
be
seeing
a
shift
in
the
demographics
of
who
might
be
at
risk
for
presenting
at
the
emergency
department
with
an
opioid
overdose.
But
right
now
we're
not
seeing
anything
statistically
significant
that
we
would
say
that
there
are
some
racial
or
ethnic
disparity
disparities.
D
So
we're
going
to
take
a
closer
look
at
death
data
from
our
vital
statistics
and
similar
to
what
michael
presented
earlier,
the
fourth
quarter.
Death
data
for
2021
is
not
yet
complete
or
available,
and
we
expect
that
to
be
available
in
april
of
this
year,.
D
D
Okay
and
when
we
look
at
these
deaths
by
drug
poisonings
in
colorado,
we
see
that
the
largest
drug
poisoning,
death
contributors
include
methamphetamines
and
fentanyl,
and
these
are
making
up
these
two
in
particular,
they're,
making
up
a
larger
share
of
the
deaths
by
drug
poisoning
over
top.
So
they
are
increasing
over
time.
D
And
when
we
take
a
look
at
the
deaths
by
drug
poisoning
for
boulder
county
residents,
the
figure
does
show
that
meth
amphetamines
comprise
the
larger
the
largest
portion
of
death
drug
poisoning
deaths.
But
you
can
also
see
that
fentanyl
and
other
any
other
opioid
analgesic,
which
excludes
fentanyl,
are
also
contributing
to
this.
D
So
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
georgia,
who
runs
our
harm
reduction
program
and
she's,
going
to
share
what
we're
seeing
in
terms
of
the
number
of
people
who
are
using
profit.
N
Thanks
indira,
so
I'm
georgia,
I'm
the
harm
reduction
program
manager
for
boulder
county
public
health,
so
we
have
seen
an
increase
in
the
number
of
unique
clients
that
come
into
the
program
really
over
the
last
10
12
years,
and
if
you
can
see
sort
of
at
the
end
of
this
graph
on
the
right
that
the
number
is
around
629
658,
it's
gone
up
a
little
bit
in
2021,
but
definitely
between
2020
and
2021.
N
While
we,
the
number
of
unique
clients,
was
sort
of
steady.
The
number
of
syringes
that
we
handed
out
was
almost
double
than
what
was
handed
out
in
2019
pre-covered.
So
we
are
seeing
that
a
lot
of
people
were
really
had
a
really
difficult
time,
with
covert
and
managing
the
stress
of
covert.
So
the
program,
our
program
stayed
open
all
through
covert
and
we
provided
services
at
well.
N
Even
when
buildings
were
closed,
we
had
to
meet
people
outside
of
the
buildings
to
maintain
the
supply
of
the
clean
equipment
as
well
as
narcan
kit,
so
naragan
kits
are
yes,
I
will
thank
you,
so
narcan
kits
are
what
it
provided
to
prevent
overdoses.
So
those
were
a
critical.
N
N
N
N
So
one
of
the
things
we
in
terms
of
what
we
need
to
continue
operating
and
really
meeting
the
need
in
the
future
is
we
need
to
secure,
ongoing,
non-grant,
related
funding
and
we're
hoping
that
some
of
the
opioid
litigation
funds
will
provide
an
opportunity
for
that.
N
We
are
looking
for
funding
to
sustain
our
partners,
some
of
whom
are
doing
it
on
a
low
budget
or
no
budget.
We're
pretty
grateful
for
what
they
do,
but
it's
bare-bones
shoestring
operation
at
some
of
these
places
so
there's
room
to
provide
the
full
array
of
services,
for
example
mental
health
partners.
They
have
staff
doing
it,
but
it's
only
in
between
all
their
other
work.
So
we
can't
offer
testing
there
and
in-depth
behavioral
counselling.
N
We
have
had
the
same
supply
of
the
same
money
supply,
which
is
around
55
000
from
the
county
every
year
since
2015,
but
our
population
has
increased
by
around
60
to
70
percent,
so
we're
always
scrounging
for
supplies.
At
the
end
of
the
budget
year,
we
often
have
to
put
in
unfunded
budget
requests
to
cover
those
gaps.
N
We
are
expanding
to
hire
a
latinx
community
educator,
so
peer
educator
to
really
reach
out
to
the
community,
to
people
who
will
not
come
into
the
office
offices
for
services,
and
we
can
understand
why
that
is
so.
Some
people
feel
frightened
to
you
know
come
into
the
government
buildings,
so
we're
working
to
expand
that
we're
also
looking
to
expand
our
native
american
community
connection.
N
So
we
are
working
to
train
them
as
well
to
be
advocates
and
as
part
of
the
program
we
also
have,
based
on
best
practices
need
to
get
some
drug
testing
equipment,
drug
checking
equipment
to
prevent
deaths.
N
These
programs
have
been
going
on
overseas,
for
you
know,
20
plus
years,
but
giving
people
a
chance
to
test
their
substances.
We
know
that
oxy
and
xanax
have
had
fentanyl
in
it
and
we've
have
you
know.
Young
students
taking
one
pill
have
never
used
anything
else
in
their
life
and
overdosing
on
one
pill.
So
it's
really
important
that
we
have
equipment
to
check
that
also.
N
We
know
that
when
people
are
involved
in
a
syringe
access
program,
they're
five
times
more
likely
to
get
treatment,
so
we
need
that's
the
first
time
we've
actually
had
the
staffing
to
sort
of
sit
down
with
people
and
spend
that
quality
time
with
them
to
navigate
and
enroll
and
do
all
those
things.
So
we're
really
excited
about
that.
We
also
are
looking
at
integrating
into
the
behavioral
hub
as
it
evolves
and
the
importance
of
sort
of
collaborating
across
the
different
programs
and
divisions.
N
And
finally,
we
are
implementing
an
anti-stigma
campaign.
This
is
targeted
to
professionals
who
serve
people
who
use
drugs.
We
did
some
research
and
we
have
found
that
people
have
experienced
a
lot
of
discrimination
which
includes
the
level
of
treatment
and
care
that
they
get
life-saving
treatment,
that
they
need
or
care,
and
we
are
working
with
professionals
to
create
more
compassion,
compassion
towards
people
who
use
drugs,
knowing
that
that's
always
somebody's
loved
one.
That
needs
his
support
and
that's
what
we're
looking
to
in
the
future.
N
O
Can
you
all
hear
me
all
right?
O
Perfect
thanks,
hey
thank
you
for
having
me
here
to
present
some
information
for
you
and,
of
course,
if
you
have
any
questions,
I'm
here
afterwards
apologize
in
advance.
If
I'm
looking
down
at
my
notes,
but
I'm
going
off
the
the
items
that
are
on
your
screen.
Currently,
I
want
to
give
you
the
general
understanding,
since
I
know
some
of
you
might
be
new
to
the
council
and
who
are
attending
on
who
and
what
is
the
makeup
of
the
boulder
county
drug
task
force.
O
So
we
have
representation
from
the
boulder
county,
sheriff's
office,
boulder
police
department,
the
da's
office,
erie
police
department
and
lafayette
police
department
of
that
we
have
five
detectives,
two
of
which
are
from
the
sheriff's
office,
two
of
which
are
from
boulder
pd
and
one
from
erie
pd.
We
also
have
a
deputy
d.a
assigned
to
this
unit.
O
Currently,
lafayette
is
having
some
staffing
problems
so
there
when
they
get
another
person
available,
we'll
have
that
here
and
we
used
to
have
cu
with
us,
but
as
of
last
year,
due
to
funding
cuts,
they're
no
longer
with
us,
so
they're
off
of
that
list.
O
The
drug
task
force
usually
averages
approximately
116
120
operations
a
year.
So
what
that
means?
Is
we
go
out
and
target
drug
traffickers?
O
You
can
call
them
drug
dealers,
whatever
you'd
like
we
do
operations
where
we
either
try
to
buy
drugs.
We
do
search
warrants.
We
do
other
investigative
techniques
where
we
go
out
on
the
streets
to
get
this
kind
of
information
of
those
116
of
last
year.
68
of
them
were
in
the
city
of
boulder,
so
for
that's
affecting
the
community
members
that
are
in
your
city,
where
again
68
of
our
time
is
within
the
city.
Working
with
this
current
landscape
of
fentanyl,
it
is
certainly
in
our
town.
O
The
data
that
we've
been
hearing
is
not
good,
so
I'll
I'll,
unfortunately,
keep
that
process
going
sunday.
We
had
a
suspected
overdose,
of
course,
nothing's
official.
Until
we
get
the
reports
from
the
coroner's
office
in
your
city
of
an
individual
in
her
30s,
so
it
is
here
and
since
march
of
2020,
we've
been
having
some
cases
that
we
ourselves
have
been
investigating
for
the
different
entities
in
boulder
county
that
are
part
of
the
drug
task
force.
We've
had
a
total
of
16
cases.
O
We
currently
have
six
that
are
currently
open
of
the
16.
Eight
are
from
the
boulder
city
themselves.
Two
cases
are
currently
open
right
now.
One
is
a
federal
case,
and
one
is
right
now
just
assigned,
unfortunately,
with
the
suspected
one
that
we
had
now
we
have
been
successful
in
some
of
these
cases
reflecting
fentanyl
the
da's
office
is
charging
one
individual,
which
you
probably
saw
him
in
the
news
a
few
weeks
ago,
due
to
him
trafficking
fentanyl
to
other
people,
and
somebody
perishing.
O
O
Another
one
that
you're
going
to
see
is
chief,
harold
is
going
to
be
discussing.
Law
enforcement
saves
with
you.
I
think,
it's
march
1st
how
we
define
this
is
possibly
somebody
calling.
O
Department,
911
to
that
location
along
with
medical
and
some
sort,
either
an
officer
or
somebody
uses
a
narcan
to
revive
the
person.
So
those
are
the
considered
saves
each
agency,
longmont
lewisville
people
inside
the
drug
task
force,
are
working
on
finding
a
better
way
to
track
that
data
and
also
to
communicate
amongst
ourselves
to
better
work
with
that
again.
O
I,
since
I
don't
know
where
you're
when
you
came
in
with
the
on
the
council,
I
want
to
give
you
a
little
bit
more
idea
of
how
the
drug
of
fentanyl
is
getting
into
our
town
right.
So
the
traditional
80
to
90
percent
of
the
drugs
are
coming
through
the
border
right
through
mexico.
O
O
They
have
a
very
robust
system
of
dealing
and
drug
trafficking
and
ultimately
it
goes
to
the
hubs
considered,
denver
a
hub
and
with
that
it
then
goes
to
the
spokes
of
the
wheel
right
and
the
drug
task
force
has
been
working
with
these
drug
traffickers
to
get
them
ultimately
get
them
behind
bars,
but
to
stop
them
from
doing
what
they're
doing
the
other
way
that
the
people
are
getting
drugs
now,
which
is
a
new
era
in
investigations,
is
what
we
call
cyber
enabled
crimes
right:
they're
using
the
internet,
the
dark
net.
O
So
you
can
have
one
of
your
neighbors
go
on
the
dark
web
right
now
order
up
some,
whether
it's
fentanyl
any
other
drugs
anything
whatsoever
pill
presses,
have
them
delivered
to
their
their
their
home
and
start
the
process
and
start
the
drug
trafficking
business
at
their
home.
It's
that
easy
and
that's
what
we're
also
battling
to
try
to
try
to
get
some
wins,
but
we
have
these
tragic
deaths
that
are
occurring
because
of
the
fentanyl
and
because
it
is
so
dangerous.
O
You
probably
also
heard
a
day
or
two
ago,
the
very
tragic
death
of
five
individuals
in
commerce
city
suspected
of
cocaine
and
fentanyl
in
the
cocaine
it's
everywhere
right,
so
boulder
is
not
special
in
that
regard.
O
Some
of
the
things
that
we're
doing
for
communication
and
coordination
amongst
law
enforcement
first
between
our
brothers
and
sisters,
both
local
state
and
federal,
so
we're
having
a
group
together
with
all
the
law
enforcement
entities
in
the
county
to
include
city
of
boulder
detectives,
as
well
as
the
detectives
we
have
here
and
we
are
coming
with
a
lessons
learned
sheet
that
comes
up
with
everything
that
we
need
to
know.
O
So,
if
any
detective
agency,
no
matter
what
jurisdiction
comes
across
somebody
who
is
an
unattended
death,
they
have
the
information
to
start
the
process
as
quick
as
they
can.
The
reason
being
is
once
somebody
passes
or
an
overdose
death
is
suspected.
O
Let's
call
it
a
phone
service
or
snapchat,
I'm
not
picking
on
snapchat,
but
the
amount
of
time
they
keep
their
information
between
two
drug
traffickers
or
a
person
who
actually
is
just
using
the
drugs
is
very
short,
and
we
have
to
start
the
process
to
give
a
thorough
investigation.
O
What
were
other
things
that
we're
doing
among
here?
We
have
a
few
different
groups
working
with
indira
and
georgia
for
boulder
county
public
health.
Working
with
cu
cu
is
an
entity
unto
itself.
You
know
a
small
town
with
all
the
students
working
on
trying
to
communicate
with
them
how
to
get
these
notifications
out
through
their
system
as
well
right,
our
boulder
county
and
your
boulder
police
department.
O
Pios
their
system
is
relatively
easy
to
navigate
compared
to
cu,
so
we're
working
on
groups
to
get
that
messaging
out,
as
well
as
other
stakeholders
for
the
school
districts
again
boulder
county
public
health
and
a
few
other
entities.
So
we
can
all
work
together
to
communicate
to
be
more
efficient
and
successful
in
the
investigations
to
both
prosecute,
but
also
to
stop
the
drug
trafficking
before
it
happens.
O
One
last
note
before
I
finish
is
this
drug.
These
drug
trafficking
is
all
drugs
we've
certain
multiple
we
have
served
either
multiple
warrants
on
different
houses,
whether
it's
fentanyl,
marijuana
and
anything
and
and
guns
are,
are
there
right?
This
is
not
this.
O
It's
probably
been
four
or
five
years
ago
right
when
I
was
a
sergeant
back
here
years
ago,
we
had
a
young
male,
16
or
younger
shot
on
the
hill
for
a
drug
dealing
for
drug
trafficking.
So
this
is
a
serious
problem,
not
just
for
fentanyl,
but
fentanyl
is
the
deadly
killer
right
now
that
is
easy
to
get
and
we're
trying
to
stop
that
sorry
threw
out
a
lot
in
this
moment
of
time
and
lastly,
if
any
of
you
would
like
to
meet
at
any
other
time,
so
we
can
go
in
more
in
depth.
D
Thank
you
commander.
Goldberger,
I
have
to
say
nico
is.
He
is
just
such
an
amazing
partner
and
advocate
for
us
in
public
health
and
just
a
real
champion.
Some
of
you
may
be
aware
that
in
public
health
we
have
a
emergency
management
protocol
for
alerting
the
community.
When
we
do
see
deaths
and
and
commander
goldberger
plays
a
key
role
in
helping
notify
us
that,
when
we're
starting
to
see
tainted
drugs
in
the
community,
we
have
instituted
that
a
couple
of
times
just
because
we
we
worry,
we
worry
about.
D
You,
know
young
people
taking
drugs,
thinking
it's
a
xanax
and
it's
tainted
with
fentanyl,
and
that
can
be
very
scary.
So
that's
kind
of
our
partnership
and
our
relationship
and
the
other
thing
that
we're
working
on
is,
we
have
started
to
meet
with
the
school
districts.
We
one
thing
that
has
happened
through
the
pandemic.
Is
we've
strengthened
all
of
these
amazing
relationships
and
now
we're
not
talking
about
kovid
we're
talking
about
fentanyl,
and
so
we
have
started
to
meet
with
the
da's
office
commander
goldberger.
We
invite
our
law
enforcement.
D
And
our
school
districts
and
cu
to
start
talking
about
how
do
we
as
a
community,
address
this
fentanyl
issue?
Because,
as
commander
goldberger
said,
you
know
it's
really
a
lot
coming
at
us,
so
I'll
stop
there
and
see.
If
anyone
has
any
questions,
I
want
to
thank
nico
and
georgia
for
hanging
in
there.
Thank
you.
Q
Question
about
some
of
the
product
that
you're
seeing.
Why
would
somebody
who's
manufacturing
pills
or
or
drugs.
Q
O
So
again,
the
majority
is
coming
from
mexico.
The
odds
or
the
chances
of
them
getting
caught
are
are
less
because
of
distance
due
to
their
distribution
ways
and
also
it's,
unfortunately,
a
business
where
you
want
more
people
to
be
whether
it's
addicted
to
your
product
than
others.
So
fentanyl
is
a
very
addictive
drug.
O
However,
it
is
also
very
dangerous,
but
it's
also
cheap,
so
they
can
put
the
fentanyl
in
with
other
binders
and
colors
and
make
it
look
like
some
drug
out.
There
m30s
pick
up
pick
a
drugs
xanax,
whatever
they
will
make
a
lot
of
money.
It's
probably
pennies
on
the
dollar
to
make
a
pill
compared
to
them,
selling
it
for
25
or
30
dollars
per
pill.
One
of
our
cases
that
we've
worked
on
with
a
federal
agency
is
we've
seized
over
118
000
fentanyl
pills
right
over
250
pounds
of
meth.
O
Q
B
D
Yes,
thank
you
for
inviting
us,
and
everyone
have
a
good
evening.
We
appreciate
being
here.
B
Thank
you
hi.
That
concludes
the
portion
of
our
meeting.
That
is
being
translated.
I
don't
believe
that,
there's
anything
we
need
to
do
to
shift
there's
no
technological
things
that
need
to
happen,
but
I
just
wanted
to
let
everyone
know
that
that
concludes
that
portion
of
our
meeting
next
on
our
agenda,
we
have
nuria.
Our
city
manager
is
going
to
introduce
our
tribal
consultation,
preparation
and
indigenous
peoples
related
projects.
F
Thank
you
so
much
lauren
and
we
go
from
some
sobering
information
by
our
boulder
county
partners.
But
we
really
now
get
to
shift
a
little
bit
if
we
can
let
some
of
that
go
to
another
great
partnership
that
we
have
with
our
tribal
nations
and
to
do
that.
We're
going
to
ask
pam
davis,
our
assistant
city
manager,
to
kick
us
off
and
the
rest
of
the
team
bam.
R
Thank
you
nuria
and
good
evening,
council
and
community.
My
name
is
pam
davis,
my
pronouns
are
she
her
and,
as
maria
said,
I'm
an
assistant
city
manager
and
serving
as
an
executive
sponsor
for
our
city's
tribal
relations.
Work
I'd
just
like
to
always
start
off
with
a
thanks
to
our
wide
cross-departmental
team
of
staff.
That
has
been
working
hard
on
this
effort,
many
of
whom
are
here
tonight
and
available
to
help
answer
questions
as
they
arise.
R
So,
in
your
memo
packet
tonight,
there
was
extensive
information
about
the
wide
variety
of
work
that
we
are
doing
as
it
relates
to
tribal
relations
formally
as
well
as
work
to
support
our
local
indigenous
community
members.
The
primary
purpose
of
tonight,
though,
is
to
really
focus
in
on
our
upcoming
city
tribal
government
to
government
consultation
that
is
being
held
on
march
16th
from
8
a.m,
to
4
p.m.
R
More
generally
and
as
a
note,
ernest
has
just
also
been
instrumental
in
all
of
the
work
for
the
past
several
years
since
I've
been
with
this
city
to
sort
of
re-establish
our
practice
of
tribal
consultation
and
ensure
that
we
are
strengthening
the
relationships
that
the
city
has
so
before.
I
turn
it
over
and
we
dive
deeper
into
the
consultation
related
matters.
I
thought
I
would
just
provide
a
the
briefest
overview
of
our
other
projects
and
programs
pertaining
to
tribal
and
indigenous
people's
relations.
R
R
So
that
summary
talks
about
some
of
the
ongoing
work
now.
But
this
cross-departmental
team
remains
open
and
committed
to
ensuring
that
our
city
is
an
active
and
willing
partner
with
tribes
and
with
our
local
community.
So
for
now,
I'm
going
to
welcome
dan
burke,
director
of
open
space
and
mountain
parks,
and
then
I
will
join
you
again
at
the
end
of
the
our
presentations
tonight
to
talk
specifically
about
the
agenda
for
march
16th
and
what
council
involvement
will
look
like
dan.
S
Great
thank
you
pam
and
good
evening.
Council
members,
dan
burke,
open
space,
mountain
parks,
director
and
I'm
just
gonna,
be
on
just
for
a
few
minutes.
To
give
you
a
little
bit
of
a
brief
history
of
the
city's
involvement
and
participation
with
consultation,
and
then
I'm
gonna
introduce
ernest
house
who
will
dive,
take
us
on
a
deeper
dive
into
the
history
of
consultation
and
and
what
to
expect
for
as
a
participant
in
consultation.
S
I
would
just
say
want
to
open
up
by
saying
that
I've
had
the
honor
of
participating
in
consultation
for
a
few
years
now
and
coming
into
the
city.
This
was
a
new
area
for
me
and
it
has
been
one
of
the
most
rewarding
and
enriching
experiences
that
I
have
the
privilege
of
participating
in,
and
I
very
much
look
forward
every
year
to
to
that
date
when
we
get
to
welcome
in
tribal
nations
and
and
and
and
and
and
be
involved
in
very
meaningful
discussions.
S
So
the
his
the
city
does
have
a
pretty
rich
history,
with
consultation,
where
I
think
we're
one
of
the
only
cities
that
that
hosts
and
engaged
informal
government
to
government
consultations
and
our
history
began.
In
the
late
90s.
There
was
a
a
project
out
at
the
federal
labs
property
on
south
broadway
in
on
south
boulder
on
some
of
the
undeveloped
land
there.
S
That
was
of
significance
to
to
american
indian
nations,
and
so
the
federal
government
hosted
a
consultation
around
that
site
and
in
which
the
city
of
boulder
sat
in
on
and
after
that
consultation
had
the
city
decided
to
continue
to
engage
in
tribe
suit
consultation.
S
So
in
the
late
90s
and
early
2000s,
the
city
actually
hosted
and
and
engaged
in
formal
consultation
with
federal
american
indian
tribes,
and
that
resulted
in
the
signing
of
several
memorandums
of
understanding
with
13
american
indian
nations
and
but
after
mid,
mid
2000s
or
so
there
was
a
pause
and
consultation
and
we
did
not
hold
another
one.
S
Until
after
the
indigenous
people's
day,
resolution
was
passed
by
council
in
2016,
there
was
a
renewed
energy
if
you
will
and
a
new
focus
on
holding
a
consultation
and
what
resulted
was
a
2019
consultation
in
which
the
city
hosted
and
I
believe,
15
representatives
from
15
american
indian
nations
came
to
boulder
for
three
days
and
two
days
and
three
nights
of
consultation,
and
that
was
a
time
for
us
to
reestablish
meaningful
relations
with
tribal
governments.
S
It
was
also
a
chance
for
us
to
discuss
the
desire
to
amend
and
revisit
and
consolidate
the
memorandums
of
understandings
that
were
already
in
place,
and
we
actually
began
in
2019
the
discussions
on
the
renaming
of
settlers
park,
and
we
we
actually
took
a
field
trip
out
to
the
site
to
help
sort
of
launch
that
discussion
that
began
at
that
consultation
after
cove
had
caused
the
cancellation
of
the
2020
consultation.
S
We
then
had
a
remote
consultation
that
was
in
2021
a
year
ago.
At
this
time,
and
out
of
this
consultation
came
the
recommend
recommended
new
name
of
the
people's
crossing
for
the
area
that
was
formerly
referred
to
as
settlers
park.
The
city
also
received
feedback
on
on
the
land,
acknowledgement
that
is
now
being
developed,
and
we
also
engaged
in
a
very
robust
review
of
the
draft,
updated
and
consolidated
memorandum
of
understanding
and,
as
pam
will
touch
upon
a
little
bit
later.
The
primary
focus
for
the
upcoming
march
consultation
will
again
be
reviewing
that
draft
mou.
S
S
How
do
they
come
about
and
what
is
important
for
those
who
participate
in
consultation
to
know
and
what,
and
and
and
what
to
expect
about
this
unique
process
that
we
have
the
honor
of
of
of
being
a
part
in
and
so
to
help
with
this,
and
over
the
past
few
years,
we've
invited
and
and
he's
here
again
tonight,
ernest
house,
as
pam
said
the
senior
policy
director
for
the
keystone
policy
center
to
speak
to
council
about
consultation
as
a
way
of
preparing
you
for
the
march
16
consultation.
S
So
with
that,
I
would
like
to
have
ernest
house
come
on
and
lead
us
through
the
next
half
hour
or
so
to
talk
about
consultation.
T
Thank
you
dan.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity,
first
and
foremost
mike
the
google
and
the
hoyak.
That
means
hello.
My
friends
in
ute,
I'm,
first
and
foremost,
a
member
of
the
mountain
ute
tribe,
southwestern
colorado's,
born
and
raised
in
cortes.
I've
lived
in
the
denver
metro
area
for
the
last
15
to
20
years.
T
This
is
really
truly
an
honor,
and
I
appreciate
pam's
comments
and
and
dance
and
the
ability
to
work
with
phil,
yates
and
christian
driver,
and
the
team
has
just
been
really
really
great
and
representatives,
and
I
know
some
of
you
are
new
members
to
council
and
I
I
just
welcome
the
opportunity
to
work
with
you
and
that
you
get
to
see
this
firsthand
and
I
know
I'm
being
a
little
biased
because
we
worked
really
hard
at
this
process
for
the
past
few
years.
T
But
if
you
ask
the
tribes
that
we
talk
with,
they
would
tell
you
even
at
the
last
call
we
had
gosh.
I
want
to
say
it
was
about
a
month
or
two
ago
that
really
boulder
has
an
opportunity
to
be
a
model
here
to
to
provide
a
model
of
how
local
government
and
tribal
nations
provide
consultation
and
we're
going
to
get
into
a
bit
of
a
powerpoint
that
I
have
and
I'm
going
to
give
you
some
background
and
it's
I
apologize.
T
It's
it's
really
wordy
and
that's
the
love
hate
relationship
that
I
have
with
with
powerpoints,
but
you
can
you're
going
to
have
a
copy.
You
can
read
it.
You
can
get
into
the
details
of
it
at
when
you
when
you
need
some
some
some
good
reading
over
the
weekend.
But
my
point
is:
is
that
at
the
end
of
the
day,
this
is
about
this
is
about
relationship
building.
This
is
about
communication.
T
As
as
I
do
that
this
land
that
we
stand
on,
we
sit
on,
we
work
on,
we
drive
on.
We
we
play
on,
has
an
indigenous
relationship
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
maintained.
So
it
doesn't
matter
if
it's
land
acknowledgements
it
doesn't
matter.
If
it's
a
a
great
new
program,
you
roll
out
it
doesn't
matter
whatever
the
new
cool
catchphrase
is
it.
The
basis
is
acknowledging
that
history.
T
The
basis
is
acknowledging
and
building
that
relationship,
and-
and
I
can
tell
you
that
I've
worked
with
the
city
of
boulder
since
2004
and
five
when
belmont
butte
first
initially
came
on
board
and
that's
how
far
I've
gone
back
was
one
of
my
first
meetings
when
I
was
executive
director
for
the
colorado
commission
of
union
affairs
at
the
state
and
I'd
like
to
say
that
we've
we've
gone
so
much
further,
but
clearly
have
had
some
mishaps
and
some
learning
opportunities
from
there.
T
So
with
that,
I'm
just
going
to
give
you
a
quick
overview
of
of
some
of
the
history.
I
don't
know
if
the
staff
want
to
go
ahead
and
pull
it
up
on
the
on
the
screen
here,
for
you,
and
and
thank
you
again
for
the
assistance
and
and
moving
these
slides
forward.
For
me,.
T
Perfect,
thank
you
so
much
so
we
can
really
where
I'd
like
to
start.
Is
that
and
it's
kind
of
what
what
dan
had
already
alluded
to
or
mentioned,
there's
very
few
local
governments
in
colorado
that
do
tribal
consultation,
primarily
because
it's
not
required
for
local
governments
to
it
is
a
requirement,
and
it's
I
mean
it's
kind
of
depends
on
who
you
ask
and
opinion
you
receive,
but
even
state
governments
don't
some
believe
that
they
don't
are
not
required
to
do
tribal
consultations.
T
However,
when
I
was
with
the
state
for
over
12
years,
that
was
a
big
emphasis
of
mine
and
I
think
it
turned
into
a
great
positive
opportunity-
and
I
I'll
tell
you
that
the
tribes
in
colorado
and
tribes
outside
of
the
state
that
we've
worked
with,
would
also
say
that,
and
I
think
it
it
shows
time
and
time
again
now
that
we
have
communities
local
governments
being
able
to
roll
this
process
out.
Colorado
springs
has
a
process
for
tribal
consultation,
primarily
a
lot
of
their
floods
that
happen
within
the
past.
T
Several
years
opened
a
lot
of
well
actually
created
a
lot
of
different
waterways
and
unearthed
a
lot
of
culturally
unidentifiable
native
american
humor
mains,
which
triggered
the
reason
of
having
tribal
consultation
at
a
local
level
and
also
at
a
state
level.
So
there's
various
ways
that
you
approach
these
type
of
conversations
with
this.
There
was
an
mou
getting
back
to
the
late
90s
early
2000s.
Like
I
mentioned,
I
was
a
part
of
one
of
those
and
to
maintain.
That
was
the
reason
for
bringing
the
consultation
together
next
slide.
Please.
T
So,
to
give
you
an
idea
where
we're
starting
with
colorado's
american
indian
native
population,
american
and
alaska
native
population,
so
colorado
has
about
two
percent
of
the
state's
population
that
identifies
as
american
indian
american
indians
are
represented
in
all
64
64
counties
across
colorado
and
that
two
percent,
it
mirrors
the
national
numbers
as
well
nationally.
T
American
indians
make
up
two
percent
of
the
national
population.
These
numbers
were
they're
they're
growing,
especially
after
the
last
census,
but
if
you
were
really
looking
and
you're
looking
at
the
two
percent
number,
it's
really
turns
into
80
000,
which
the
majority
lives
in
this
seven
county,
denver
metro
area,
including
boulder
county.
A
lot
of
folks
might
think.
T
Okay,
I
don't
know
if
colorado
has
tribes
when
I
tell
them
there's
two
or
when
they
learn
that
there's
two
they're
surprised
that
there's
not
more
we're
going
to
get
to
that
in
a
minute,
but
then
again,
on
top
of
that,
that
folks
might
assume
that
the
majority
of
the
population
is
in
the
southwest
where
the
tribes
are
located,
which
is
actually
not
the
case.
The
urban
areas
are
some
of
the
fastest
growing
populations
for
american
indians
across
the
nation.
Believe
it
or
not.
T
Over
70
percent
of
the
american
indian
population
lives
off
of
the
reservations
today
throughout
the
united
states,
so
those
are
increased
numbers.
So,
as
you
look
at
the
information
and
the
data
that
you
see
for
the
city
of
boulder
for
american
indians,
specifically
those
are
only
going
to
grow
same
thing
that
sell
the
city
of
denver.
Colorado
springs,
fort
collins
and
and
so
on
next
slide.
Please.
T
So
I
mentioned
that
colorado.
We
have
two
federally
recognized
tribes,
the
u-mount
u-tribe,
which
I'm
a
member
of,
and
the
southern
union
tribe,
my
sister
tribe,
located
near
durango
several
hours
from
where
we
are
right
now,
but
colorado
is
home
to
46
additional
tribal
nations
that
were
forcibly
removed
via
treaty
some
by
gunpoint
over
the
last
150
years
from
colorado
statehood
to
where
we
are
today
and
a
lot
of
those
tribes.
All
those
tribes
are
actually
listed
right
here.
T
So
when
you
refer
or
when
you
hear
the
state
refer
to
historic
tribes
of
colorado,
either
via
state
legislation
or
through
the
colorado
commission
of
indian
affairs.
This
is
the
list
that
they're
going
after
these
tribes,
which
include
19
pueblos
in
new
mexico
tribes
in
oklahoma.
As
far
as
ways
the
dakotas
isleta
del
sur
pueblo
is
in
texas.
T
These
tribes
have
provided
based
on
history
and
their
own
cultural
information
and
and
with
our
state
archaeologists
office,
archaeology
office,
a
legacy
of
occupation,
a
preponderance
of
evidence
based
on
that
legacy
of
occupation,
has
ties
to
with
what
we
call
colorado
they've.
Always
they
continue
to
be
here.
They
they
have
stories
about.
These
mountain
ranges
these
peaks,
these
valleys.
They
have
names
for
them
and-
and
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
an
idea,
because
when
we
talk
about
historic
tribes
of
colorado,
this
is
really
the
list.
T
Now
you
may
ask
well
why
not
all
of
those
tribes,
some
of
those
tribes,
that
invitations
were
sent
to
them,
it's
up
to
them
if
they
would
like
to
join,
and
some
of
them
have
certain
ranges
that
they
believe
they
didn't
go
above
north,
maybe
into
the
boulder
valley
area
or
more
state
on
the
western
slope,
or
maybe
more
so
than
northwest
or
maybe
just
stayed
towards
the
eastern
plains.
So
there
really
is
democrat
areas
of
of
topography
that
they're
really
following
based
on
their
their
history
and
culture.
Next
slide,
please.
T
So
I
really
like
to
start
off
with
what
I
know
best
and
that's
that's
the
use.
Clearly,
I
I
don't
want
to
speak
on
behalf
of
any
other
tribe,
but
as
a
member
and
working
closely
with
my
sister
tribes,
I
just
want
to
give
you
a
little
idea
of
and
I'll
give
some
context
around
how
how
difficult,
sometimes
this
can
be.
But
historically
there
was
about
several
bands
of
utes,
let's
say
starting
with
seven
here's
the
names
of
them.
T
The
way
manooche
band
is,
is
my
tribe
we're
the
or
the
largest
out
of
all
seven,
but
these
names,
you're
gonna,
find
familiar
streets,
mountain
ranges,
federal
land
managing
agencies,
so
you
may
have
heard
some
of
these
names
before,
but
a
lot
of
people
do
not
realize
that
they
they
have
started
their.
U
terms
their
ut
names,
so
all
those
several
tribes
bands
they
consolidated
to
make
three
tribal
nations.
T
Today,
the
u-mountain
you
tribe,
my
tribe
in
toyoko,
colorado,
the
southern
new
indian
tribe,
in
ignacio
colorado,
which
makes
up
the
malwa
in
the
capote
band
and
then
the
other
four
bands
were
forcibly
removed
after
the
meeker.
They
called
me
referenced
in
history
as
the
meeker
massacre.
A
lot
of
us
call
it
the
meeker
incident,
it's
a
whole
nother
powerpoint
presentation,
but
they
were
forcibly
renewed
removed
and
their
reservation
is
in
fort
de
shane
utah
next
slide.
Please.
T
So
the
green
dotted
line,
I
mean
we
put
the
states
just
to
give
you
a
a
reference
point,
but
the
green
dotted
line
would
have
been
the
furthest
away.
That
utes
would
have
traveled
for
game.
We
were
very
much
the
hunter-gatherers.
We
were
nomadic
we're
always
moving
with
the
game
and
we're
moving
with
the
seasons.
Believe
it
or
not.
T
We
still
have
hunting
blinds
still
standing
in
rocky
mountain
national
park,
our
last
recorded
bear
dance,
and
some
of
our
ceremonies
in
garden
of
the
gods
in
colorado
springs
was
in
the
early
1900s
until
we
were
removed
from
that
location
to
the
western
slope,
and
really
we
have
wiki
ups,
which
are
temporary
housing
structures
like
like
teepees
wooden
teepees,
in
the
hundreds
still
throughout
the
rocky
mountains,
still
throughout
the
western
slope
and
and
through
a
lot
of
the
mountain
ranges.
T
Thanks
to
a
lot
of
our
trails,
we
have
I-70
285
a
lot
of
roads
that
go
through
the
the
mountain
passes
next
slide.
Please,
and
so
the
red
dotted
line
would
have
been
the
area
we
would
have
definitely
been
into
a
majority
of
the
time.
So
I
just
put
this
state
map
to
give
you
again
some
reference
of
some
points.
You'd
be
familiar
with.
Are
the
green
dotted
lines?
The
next
slide.
T
This
before
the
first
reservation
was
1868,
but
I
actually
like
to
think,
let's
start
about
before
it
was
what
we
call
colorado,
archaeologists
and
anthropologists
will
tell
you
that
youths
have
been
in
what
we
know
is
called
what
we
call
colorado
for
the
last
ten
to
twelve
thousand
years,
ten
to
twelve
thousand
years,
just
the
youths
alone,
I'm
not
talking
about
the
other
other
tribes
in
that
history.
T
We
feel
we
feel
very
passionate
that
that
our
language,
our
culture,
our
history,
are
still
in
these
rocks
they're
still
in
these
trees,
they're
still
in
these
prairies
they're
still
in
these
locations
that,
even
though
we
were
we're
not
there
physically,
even
though
that's
not
our
reservation,
there's
a
calling
for
us
to
go
back
there
and
when
we
have
these
opportunities
to
go
back,
which,
more
recently,
a
lot
of
conversation
has
brought
a
lot
of
our
tribal
elders
back
to
these
communities,
the
veil
valley,
the
roaring
fork
valley,
gunnison
bell-
I
mean
you
name
it
across
the
board.
T
We've
had
these
conversations,
but
the
first
established
sheet
reservation-
and
this
is
just
one
tribe
out
of
all
the
other
ones-
was
in
1868..
The
next
slide
please,
so
the
agreement
was
that
the
utes
could
not
leave
that
blue
line.
We
had
to
get
approval
from
the
federal
government,
but
the
other.
T
The
other
side
of
the
agreement
was.
The
federal
government
was
supposed
to
not
allow
settlers
or
ranchers
to
move
into
that
blue
dotted
line.
So
you
can
see
how
now
the
land
progression
has
been
cut
away
and
I'm
sure
you've
maybe
seen
a
lot
of
similarities
of
this
with
other
tribal
nations.
Even
throughout
the
united
states.
They
have
different
interactive
maps
that
you
can
that
you
can
see
this
over
time,
but
the
southwest.
T
T
Until
the
late
1880s,
the
huge
strip
is
what
you
see
right
there
they
removed
out
of
the
seven
bands
they
pushed
three
of
us
onto
that
blue
line,
and
then
the
other
four
were
moved
into.
What
is
now
the
state
of
utah
it
wasn't.
The
state
called
the
state
of
utah
at
that
time.
I
remember
and
there's
a
you
can
see
this
information
to
history
colorado
go
into
more
depth,
a
great
exhibit
that
we
have
there,
but
I
think
one
of
the
best
quotes.
T
T
within
that
short
amount
of
time,
and
I
think
that
what
I,
what
I
try
to
use
as
this
process
with
different
school
groups
that
I
talk
to,
is
to
understand
that
that,
where
why
the
the
draw
why
the
history
is
so
important,
why
our
heritage
in
our
culture
is
still
embedded
across
the
state,
all
four
corners,
because
we
utilized
it
for
so
long.
The
next
slide,
please,
this
slide
shows
you
what
our
tribal
lands
look
like
today.
T
T
So
what
is
tribal
consultation
consultation
is
the
open
and
mutual
exchange
of
information
integral
to
the
effective
collaboration,
participation
and
informed
decision
making,
with
the
ultimate
goal
of
reaching
consensus
on
issues.
Consultation
entails
the
development
of
a
relationship
based
on
trust
in
an
effort
to
understand
and
consider
any
effects
an
undertaking
may
have
on
the
consulting
parties.
So
in
this
process,
obviously
we
bring
the
tribes
together.
We
bring
the
city
of
boulder
together
in
in
that
type
of
understanding.
That
convention
originating
from
the
trust
responsibility
of
the
united
states
to
tribal
nations.
T
Tribal
consultation
is
a
process
that
enables
both
tribal
communities,
other
entities
and
systems
to
advance
the
well-being
of
tribal
communities.
Essential
elements
of
meaningful
consultation
includes
consensus-based
decision-making,
mutual
respect,
understanding
between
parties
and
an
iterative
process
that
sustains
progress
toward
group
goals.
I
feel
like
that's
what
we've
tried
to
develop
with
the
boulder
with
the
bowler
process.
Next
slide,
please.
T
Why
do
we
need
to
have
a
local
tribal
consultation,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
local
governments
not
required
to
do
so
and
I'll
be
completely
honest
with
you.
I
would
love
to
see
every
local
government
across
the
country
with
the
ability
to
do
it,
but
there's
a
cost
associated
with
it,
and-
and
I
think
that,
even
though
there's
a
cost
there
there
there
has
to
be
that
that
draw
that
that
reason
for
why
you're
bringing
those
issues
to
the
table,
I
think
for
boulder.
T
These
three
have
been
top
of
mind.
It
was
to
enable
the
creation
of
strategies
that
effectively
address
the
unique
changes,
challenges
and
opportunities
which
also
turned
into
a
land
management
plan.
It's
going
to
turn
into
other
ones.
I
get
a
call,
probably
once
a
week
from
front
range
communities
saying
we're
redoing
a
land
management
plan
we
forgot.
Maybe
we
should
have
included
tribes.
How
do
we
do
that?
T
Number
two
is
to
leverage
opportunities
for
mutual
beneficial
collaborations
between
the
local
government,
state
agencies,
tribes
and
american
indian
communities.
Like
I
mentioned,
we
have
a
growing
population,
american
indian
population.
I
just
heard
from
the
previous
presentation
that
there's
an
effort
to
focus
with
the
native
american
community
do
a
much
broader
community
engagement.
What
does
that
look
like
and,
of
course,
number
three
is
to
meet
consultation
requirements
established
under
an
mou
that
was
drafted
20
15
plus
years
ago.
T
So,
basically,
what
the
way
that
at
least
I've
seen
consultation
work,
the
best
is
with
consensus-based
decision-making
at
the
center.
You
know
there's
a
lot
of
times,
and
I
know
this
is
one
of
those
slides.
It's
really
worthy,
but
it's
basically
getting
this
information
out
on
the
table
and
the
ability
to
discuss
it
and
not
necessarily
you're
going
to
have
full
consensus,
but
it's
at
least
an
opportunity
to
have
a
discussion
around
how
processes
should
go.
T
I'm
going
to
circle
back
to
this
consensus
based
decision
making
a
little
bit,
because
when
we
have
16
tribes,
every
tribal
nation
is
different.
Some
have
presidents,
some
have
governors,
some
have
tribal
chairmen,
some
have
seven
members,
seven
have
some
have
14
some
have
way
more
than
that.
It's
it's
very
different
per
tribe.
T
So
what
I'm
following
here,
I'm
going
to
show
you
a
couple
slides
and
the
information
all
this
is
in
here
too,
and
we'll
have
the
link
for
you
as
well
as
a
guide
when
I
was
at
the
executive
director
for
the
state
for
colorado
commission
of
indian
affairs.
We
put
this
guide
together
and
I
really
liked-
and
it
was
also
in
coordination
with
the
cu,
indian
law
clinic
and
native
american
rights
fund,
where
we're
huge
partners
in
this
and
to
consult
means
to
ask
for
advice
or
to
seek
an
opinion.
T
Consultation
does
not
mean
obtaining
consent,
and
that's
where
I
feel
we
get
crossways
and
and
I've
kind
of
harped
on
the
federal
consultation
process
in
the
past,
and
I
think
at
the
state
you
had
the
flexibility
to
do
a
little
bit
different
at
the
local
level.
I
think
you
even
have
more
flexibility
to
do
things
different
and
make
it
work
the
way
you
want
it
to
work
consultation.
If
I
could
change
the
name.
T
To
be
honest,
I
would,
I
think,
consultation
comes
with
that
history,
that
baggage
that
a
lot
of
tribes
fear
when
they
hear
about
it.
Going
back
to
indian
self-determination
and
education
assistance,
acts
of
the
70s
and
the
knicks
administration,
it
really
I
mean
it's
almost
like
tribes
are
prepared
to,
or
at
least
under
the
understanding,
that's
going
to
happen,
they're
going
to
have
to
give
something
away
in
order
to
be
there-
and
I
think
that's
that's
the
effort
that
we
wanted
to
change
with
the
process.
T
That's
that
has
existed
since
time
immemorial
that
it's
recognized
in
the
united
states
constitution,
because
a
lot
of
people
don't
know
about
that,
but
that
it's
confirmed
it's
been
confirmed
through
treaties
and
statutes
and
executive
orders
and
supreme
court
decisions,
but
that
when
we
look
at
at
sovereign
that
sovereignty,
especially
in
the
us
constitution,
states
and
tribes
have
the
same
type
of
level.
T
Now
the
federal
government
oversees
everything
else
and
both
of
those
entities,
but
that's
one
component,
I
feel
like
it
falls
through
the
cracks
about
tribal
sovereignty
and-
and
this
is
an
inherent
right
and-
and
I
feel
like
this
conversation,
especially
moving
forward
when
you
hear
about
tribes
fighting
for
their
water
rights,
tribes,
fighting
for
their
land
getting
land
back.
All
these
efforts
are
are
really
pushing
towards
that
strength
and
sovereignty
process.
Next
slide.
Please.
T
I
mentioned
a
little
bit
earlier.
What
is
the
government
to
government
relationship?
I
mean
it's
really
here
with
a
lot
more
words
on
on
what
we
tried
to
stress
in
terms
of
really
respecting
that
government-to-government
relationship
and
changing
it
to
include
the
local
government
level.
I
think
that's
one
area
that
has
not
been
as
emphasized
next
slide.
Please.
T
This
always
gets
thrown
around
happens
with
every
administration,
state
and
federal.
What
is
meaningful
tribal?
What
is
meaningful
consultation?
What
does
that?
Even
what
does
that
even
mean,
and
I
I
feel,
like
I
often
tell
people
you
shouldn't-
base
a
successful
consultation
on
how
many
memorandums
of
understanding
or
intergovernmental
agreements
or
memorandums
of
agreement
that
you
walk
away
with?
That's
not
what
this
is
about.
T
It
really
is
if
both
parties
are
walking
away
and
they're,
like
you
know
what
this
was.
This
was
a
great
time
spent
this.
We
learned
so
much
well,
you
may
not
get
consensus
on
everything.
That's
not
what's
about
it's
not
about
having
full
agreement,
knowing
that
there's
going
to
be
issues
where
you're
going
to
not
see
eye
to
eye,
but
at
least
you
have
that
opportunity
to
continue
coming
back
to
that
table
next
slide,
please
and
I'll
end
here
with
a
couple.
T
A
couple
pictures
here,
I
think,
even
actually
to
see
councilman
yates,
I
think
you're
right
there
front
and
center
yeah
I
had.
I
had
more
hair
back
then.
T
T
And
the
only
picture
that
I
did
not
include
in
here
and
I
keep
trying
to
find
it
phil
I
need
to
get
with
you-
is
the
group
photo
that
was
on
the
bridge
going
over
boulder
creek
and
it
was.
It
was
such
a
great
day
and
we're
looking
forward
to
having
these
in-person
meetings
again,
as
folks,
hopefully
are,
are
healthy
and
and
well
next
slide.
T
I'll
go
ahead
and
end
it
there
with
saying
that
you
know
preparing
for
this
next
consultation,
virtual
talking
about
opportunities
coming
forward
if
it's
for
chambers,
if
it's
the
land
acknowledgement.
That's
the
other
question
that
I
get
all
the
time
too,
is
about
land
acknowledgements.
T
When
should
how
why
what
and
my
biggest
thing
is
is
really
emphasizing,
you
can
put
anything
that
you
want
on
paper,
you
can
make
it
sound
the
best,
but
what
I
think
truly
comes
through
to
people
like
me,
and
my
relatives
and
people
that
I
work
with
and
respect
in
indian
country
is
the
effort
is
that
we
know
that
your
heart's
in
it.
T
We
know
that
you're
serious,
that
we're
not
going
to
fall
into
a
situation
where
you
draft
an
agreement,
and
then
administrations
change
and
it
goes
to
the
wayside,
and
it
was
just
it
was.
It
was
meaningless
and
I
think
that's
what
we
want
to
do,
and
I
again
really
appreciate
the
staff
and
the
team
who
put
the
effort.
T
Who's
either
never
worked
with
indian
country
and
jumped
to
the
deep
end
of
the
pool
and
their
hearts
at
the
right
place,
and
I
think
our
tribal
nations
there
they
see
that
and
they
appreciate
the
work
and
the
effort
that
the
team
has
done
so
the
hoyak.
That
means
thank
you-
and
you
appreciate
your
time
this
evening,
happy
to
answering
your
questions
or
attempts
to.
B
Thank
you
so
much
for
that
presentation.
Ernest
that
was
amazing.
Matt
looks
like
you
get
the
first
question.
E
Thanks
lauren
ernest,
I
just
absolutely
appreciate
what
you're
doing
and
the
perspective
you
bring
for
our
community
to
learn
and
to
gain
that
knowledge
of
history
and
a
semblance
of
place
that
you
and
your
fellow
tribe,
members
and
and
other
tribes
of
community
can
bring
for
us
and
my
question,
you
know-
and
I
think
you
brought
it
up
towards
the
end-
was
that
semantics
are
are
part
of
it,
but
it's
the
process
and
the
outcome.
That
really
is
the
most
important
and
we
can
slap
other
words
mousse,
igas
etc.
E
But
my
question
really
sort
of
centered
around
we've
been
touching
on
the
word
locally
here
in
boulder,
with
with
mousse
with
you
and
to
me.
I
personally
feel
that
that
is
an
inadequate
term
to
use
when
we
are
having
a
conversation
and
or
learning
from
a
sovereign
nation,
and
so
I
as
much
as
I
know
that
that's
your
perspective
and
I
appreciate
that-
and
I
hope
others,
but
it
seems
to
maybe
members
of
the
community
and
mou
seems
light.
E
And
so
I'm
just
wondering
that.
Yes,
I
know
that
sometimes
semantics
doesn't
matter
in
the
nuts
and
bolts,
but
in
other
ways
to
how
other
people
view
this
work.
It
does
matter
and
those
initial
words
or
or
letters
have
some
meaning.
And
so
I'm
just
wondering
how
you
would
advise
us
and
how
to
make
sure
that
we're
consistent,
not
just
in
the
words
we're
using
the
terms
we're
using,
but
also
in
the
follow
through
of
the
actions
and
the
intent
of
what
we're
doing
as
well.
T
Councilman,
I
think,
that's
a
great
question
and
I
really
appreciate
the
awareness
of
how
we're
using
terminology,
especially
as
it
changes
every
day
every
year,
even
as
we
first
started
these
discussions
back
in
2019
and
and
that's.
Why
that's
why?
I
feel
that
you
know
the
the
terms,
especially
the
the
agreements
I
agree
with
you.
They
need
to
be,
they
need
to
be
elevated
and
they
need
to
be
taken
seriously.
T
I
mean
really
that's
why
we're
in
this
situation
in
2019
had
to
talk
about
how
some
of
these
agreements
were
not
followed
through
and
at
the
time
it
was
a
very
controversial
topic
of
valmont,
butte
and
and
and
land
use
and
access,
and-
and
I
think
that
that
the
opportunity
here
still
stays
the
same
to
a
certain
level,
and
I
no
matter-
and
I
take
the
cues
from
the
tribal
leadership
you
know
in
these
meetings,
providing
the
background
and
staff,
or
maybe
some
cultural
cues,
and
some
things
like
like
time.
T
One
of
the
biggest
things
in
the
consultation
guide
I
emphasizes
is
time
these
take
time,
and
I
often
say
you
have
to
go
slow
to
go
fast
and
sometimes
that
time
management
isn't
as
fast
or
it
doesn't
compute
with
the
other
projects
that
you
all
have
in
front
of
you
that
are
multi-million
fast
moving.
We
need,
I
got
to
get
it
done
because
there's
a
cost
associated
with
it
here.
T
It
really
is
about
that
that
time
spending
the
time
in
that
communication
process,
what
we
call
the
agreements,
what
the
tribes
want
to
call
it,
what
the
city
wants.
You
can
call
it
whatever
you
want,
and
I
feel
like
it's
as
long
as
it's
successful,
I
mean
even
changing
the
term
consultation,
whatever
whatever
works
I
just
want
to
make.
T
I
just
want
to
see
something
that
is
respected
and
and
is
adhered
to
over
the
years
and-
and
I
think
a
lot
of
this
even
kicked
off
with
community
members
reaching
out
and
being
a
part
of
the
indigenous
people's
day,
efforts
and
changing
that
and
then
now
adding
you
know
adding
some
of
these
languages.
T
So
why
don't
we
emphasize
it
as
people,
it's
the
people's
crossing
and
that
this
land
is
so
important
to
everybody
that
the
water
has
been
able
to
sustain
all
of
us,
and
I
think
that's
that's,
what's
been
most
important
throughout
this
process,
and-
and
I
I
agree
with
you
getting
caught
up
in
the
semantics
and
and
the
terminology
can
weigh
it
down.
But
if
the
decision
comes
out
of
the
group
that
they
want
to
call
it
something
else,
I
completely
agree.
I
Do
you
so
ernest
thanks
so
much
for
all
that
and
really
appreciate
very
much
your
guidance
and
leadership
over
the
years
to
this
process?
It's
been
incredibly
incredibly
helpful
and
meaningful
so
question
for
you
as
we
move
into
this
consultation
in
a
few
weeks.
I
I
want
to
make
sure
that
that
we're
being
respectful
in
how
we
present
ourselves
how
we're
speaking
to
the
travel
representatives,
you
know
using
titles
appropriately
like
all
the
way
down
to
like.
I
When
do
we
take
a
break
you
know,
so
it
doesn't
have
to
be
right
now,
but
if
we
can
get
guidance
on
those
things
like
about
making
sure
we're
using
those
right,
titles
names
pronunciations
all
those
kinds
of
things
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
we
do
our
utmost
to
be
respectful
of
the
representatives
who
will
be
joining
us.
That
day.
T
I
gave
the
example
of
of
I
would
ask
folks,
even
at
the
time
did
not
wear
a
watch
or
something
or
to
keep
looking
at
your
phone.
T
You
know
I
mean
these
little
things
that,
and
I
know
that
we
had
to
stagger
it
where
we
had
you
all
come
in
at
a
certain
time
and
and
to
not
to
overlap
and
to
get
the
most
out
of
out
of
the
event
and
we're
hoping
to
have
the
same
type
of
conversation
here
and
so
happy
to
send
those
around
and
also
just
there's
also
another
list
that
we'll
send
around
that's
questions
kind
of
like
a
101
where
folks,
sometimes
they've,
always
wanted
to
ask
the
question
and
we're
embarrassed.
T
They
thought
it
was
a
stupid
question.
You
know,
and-
and
it
has
everything
in
there
and
I've
heard
every
single
question
before
you
know:
what's
the
preferred
term,
indian
native
american
american
indian,
like
across
the
board,
and
so
it
gets
down
into
the
weeds
of
some
of
these
in
case
you
were
one
and
so
I'm
happy
to
send
that
around.
B
Does
anyone
else
have
any
follow-up
questions
before
we
switch
over
to
pam
for
more
information
about
the
march
16th
agenda.
S
Lauren
and
ernest,
I
think
I'll,
just
hop
in
because
ernest
it
does
come
up.
It
has
come
up
at
the
recent
consultations
and
I
think,
there's
actually
a
scheduled
one
in
which
there
could
be
times
during
the
day
in
which
the
tribal
representatives
wish
to
speak
amongst
themselves
and
and
might
ask
city
representatives
to
quote
unquote,
leave
the
room,
so
they
can
have
a
conversation.
And
so
I
wonder
if
you
just
want
to
quickly
touch
upon
that
as
that's
something
that
that
likely
has
come
up
in
our
most
recent
consultations.
T
Absolutely-
and
you
know
it's
nothing-
that
anybody
should
be
alarmed
at.
In
fact,
you
know
once
you
get
so
much
information
that
you
haven't
heard
or
you've
been
emailed,
and
you
know
you
have
this
opportunity
to
have
a
zoom
breakout
room
which
will
be
this
example
if
the
tribes
want
to
get
together.
Of
course,
you
know
they
want
to
talk
about.
T
You
know
how
what
this
tribe
feels
about
it
or
that
tribe
feels
about
it
and
and
how
they
like
to
approach
it,
and
that's
really
the
the
guidance
and
direction,
and
so
when
and
if
that
happens,
I
think
we
we
give
them
space
to
do
that,
and
you
know,
and
a
lot
of
times
when
come
back,
we'll
have
be
able
to
provide
a
lot
more
or
answers
to
questions
that
they
may
have
that
have
come
up
jointly
together
amongst
the
group
and
it's
you
know,
a
lot
of
these
representatives
know
each
other
very,
very
well.
T
They've
been
in
a
lot
of
similar
consultation
meetings
and
they've
talked
about
a
lot
of
the
same
things,
and
that's
why
I
find
it.
I.
I
am
very
pleased
when
I
hear
from
them
that
they
appreciate
attending
these
consultations,
because
a
lot
of
these
are
are
participated
by
tribal
leadership
or
a
cultural
affairs
office
if
they
have
one
a
tribal,
historic
preservation
office,
if
they
have
one
established
and
a
lot
of
times
this,
these
one
or
two
individuals
are
they're
doing
multiple
jobs.
T
So
you
don't
have
to
drive
several
hours,
but
I
think
also
at
the
same
time
giving
them
that
space
to
be
able
to
have
that
internal
conversation
amongst
themselves.
That's
important,
I
think
sometimes
people
view
that
as
well
they're,
not
wanting
me
in
the
meeting.
Maybe
that's
a
little
bit
disrespectful
that
that's
nothing
like
that
at
all.
They
really
just
want
to
talk
about
it
amongst
themselves.
T
They
want
to
confer
with
their
relatives
a
lot
of
these
folks
are,
are
you
know,
like
the
cheyennes
and
the
rappos
are
connected,
both
historically
from
different
major
events
in
colorado,
history
and
and
so
there's
there's
importance
of
of
that
coming
together,
and
so
I
think
that
if
that
does
come
up,
we
could
see
that
as
an
as
a
great
opportunity
as
well.
B
If
anyone,
if
there
are
no
other
questions
from
council,
let's
I
know
pam,
you
wanted
to
share
some
things
with
us.
R
Great
thank
you,
council,
member
folkert,
so
I'd
just
like
to
wrap
us
up
with
a
little
bit
more
specific
information
about
the
anticipated
agenda
for
march
16th,
as
well,
as
I'm
sure
you're
curious
a
little
bit
more
about
how
council
participation
will
be
arranged
and
some
follow-up
communication
with
all
of
you.
So
I
just
want
to
again
thank
ernest
and
dan
for
your
remarks
before
we
turn
to
any
final
questions.
R
I'll
just
go
through
the
agenda,
so
the
primary
focus,
as
dan
mentioned
in
his
remarks,
is
going
to
be
the
continuation
of
reviewing
an
amended
mou
with
our
tribes
that
we're
consulting
with.
But
there
are
a
few
other
items
anticipated,
so
the
consultation
will
open
as
standard
practice
with
a
prayer
from
one
of
our
tribal
representatives,
as
well
as
some
introductions
and
welcoming
remarks
by
mayor
brockett
and
city
of
boulder
leaders,
the
largest
portion
of
the
agenda
that
will
begin.
R
The
consultation
is
going
to
focus
on
finalizing
our
or
excuse
me
not
finalizing,
but
continuing
the
revisions
of
a
memorandum
of
understanding
between
the
city
and
participating
tribes.
In
that
discussion.
R
Some
of
the
key
components
of
the
revised
mou
will
include
preserving
open
space
and
cultural
resources
on
city
land,
providing
opportunities
for
ceremonial
practices
on
city,
open
space,
establishing
the
continued
practice
of
government
to
consult
government
to
government
consultations
at
a
minimum
every
four
years,
but
but
we
lately
of
course,
have
tried
to
do
it
annually
when
feasible
and
then
finally
notifying
tribes.
If
native
american
cultural
resources
are
inadvertently
discovered.
R
On
osmp
land
over
the
course
of
city
business,
so
following
the
completion
of
that
mou
portion
of
consultation,
we
will
also
have
some
city
programmatic
updates
to
discuss
with
the
tribes.
One
will
be
further
reviewing
our
land
acknowledgement
text
that
many
of
the
representatives
have
helped
collaborate
and
just
quick
shout
out
again
to
phil
yates.
His
name
has
been
mentioned
several
times
his
passion
and
commitment
to
working
on
that,
as
well
as
other
tribal
relations.
R
An
agreement
on
a
joint
public
statement
that
will
be
issued
following
the
consultation
so
that
our
older
area,
community
members
are
informed
of
what
has
occurred
over
the
day.
So
in
terms
of
council
participation,
as
was
just
shared
with
you.
All
tribal
consultation
is
certainly
a
unique
practice
when
it
comes
to
the
city
of
boulder.
In
that
it
is
a
closed
government-to-government
negotiation,
and
that
is
largely
due
to
the
sensitive
cultural
information
discussed
and
the
fact
that
this
is
a
working
meeting
through
you
know
formal
leaders
of
several
governments.
R
But
we
do
encourage
council,
member
attendance
and
participation
with
a
maximum
of
two
council
members
at
any
one
time
due
to
ensuring
that
we
abide
by
our
open
meeting
expectations
and
so
the
way
that
we
manage
this
and-
and
we
will
send
out
further
communication
later
this
week
from
our
staff
team,
we'll
reach
out
to
council
members
and
discuss
with
each
of
you,
your
interests
and
availability
to
participate
in
pairs
in
rotating
blocks
of
you
know
an
hour
or
two
throughout
the
day
best
based
on
sections
of
the
consultation
agenda
and
the
way
that
we
manage.
R
That,
then,
once
we
establish
a
schedule
of
participants,
is
that
we
actually
have
dedicated
members
of
our
team
who
will
be
kind
of
actively
taking
notes
and
tracking
the
conversation
throughout
the
day.
So
if
you
are
someone
who
is
joining
us
for
a
couple
hours
later
in
the
day,
we're
able
to
give
you
a
five
minute
briefing
of
where
the
discussions
are,
how
how
things
are
going
throughout
the
day,
so
that
when
you
enter
that
zoom
meeting,
you
feel
prepared
to
be
a
part
of
the
conversation
and
build
relationships
and
I'll
just
say.
R
Witnessing
this,
it
sounds
a
little
funny
from
what
we're
used
to
in
our
engagements.
But
what
this
allows
us
to
do
is
you
know,
as
ernest
mentioned,
it's
all
about
relationship
building,
and
so,
as
many
of
you
that
are
able
to
be
present,
introduce
yourselves
get
to
know
the
other
tribal
leaders
and
participants
in
consultation
helps
us
strengthen
those
relationships
and
perspectives
in
the
room,
and
so,
as
I
mentioned,
we'll
be
getting
that
information
out
and
mayor
brockett.
Your
question
for
ernest
as
well.
R
I
kind
of
took
a
note
there
that
that
communication
can
also
include
some
of
the
information
that
ernest
described
about
protocol
when
we
also
reach
out
to
you
about
scheduling
so
and
for
your
awareness
we
have
in
the
past
and
can
intend
to
extend
that
same
invitation
to
a
representative
of
each
the
open
space
board
of
trustees,
as
well
as
the
human
relations
commission.
R
Those
two
boarding
commissions
in
particular
have
very
close
ties
to
the
work
of
tribal
relations,
the
human
relations
commission,
of
course,
being
a
primary
supporter
of
indigenous
peoples,
day
activities
and,
of
course,
the
open
space
board
of
trustees
supporting
our
open
space
department,
of
which
much
of
our
mou
discussion
will
revolve
around
that
department.
R
So
with
that,
that
concludes
the
official
presentation
happy
to
take
any
final
questions
and
turn
it
over
to
you
lauren.
Thank
you.
I
K
Rachel
yep
pardon
the
cat
again
ever
loud,
just
wondering
this
is
for
theresa.
I
think
we've
heard
a
lot
over
the
last
year
about
how
you
know
just
discussions
about
two
council
members
having
meetings
with
community
members,
so
just
hoping
that
maybe
you
could
clarify
for
community
members
watching
why
this
is
very
okay,
that
we
would
do
this.
U
Yes,
thanks
mayor
pro
tem,
so
council
members
are
permitted
to
meet
two
by
two
and
that
doesn't
trigger
the
colorado
open
meetings
law.
The
colorado
open
meetings
law
requires
that
public
business
is
conducted
in
public
and
the
public
business
requires
three
or
more
members
of
the
council
to
meet.
U
In
addition,
we
do
have
a
provision
in
our
charter
that
requires
that
council
committees
be
public
to
be
clear.
This
isn't
a
council
committee.
This
is
a
tribal
consultation
and,
as
pam
rightly
suggested,
has
largely
been
led.
The
efforts
have
largely
been
led
by
staff
council.
Is
there
certainly
to
observe
and
to
participate?
But
it
is
not
a
council
committee
and
it's
doesn't
fall
under
that
rubric.
Does
that
address
your
question?.
U
K
Be
you
know,
might
have
questions
so
figured
we
can
just
get
out
in
front
of
it
and
also
just
for
pam
it's.
It
is
difficult
like
when,
when
ernest
said
something
about
like
don't
look
down,
I'm
I've
spent
about
half
of
my
meetings.
You
know
looking
down
at
my
at
the
cat
who's
jumping
like
up
and
down
from
my
lap.
So
have
we
given
any
thought
to?
K
Maybe
perhaps
it
would
be
more
respectful
if
we,
the
you
know
in
the
groups
of
two
meet
at
council
chambers,
and
maybe
that
would
be
easier
for
staff
as
well,
rather
than
like
meet
up
for
our
zoom
portion
together
and
council.
Just
put
that
out
there
as
an
option.
At
least
I
might
take
it.
Take
that
option.
R
One
thing
I
will
share
that
I've
observed
in
earnest-
maybe
you
can
validate-
is
that
in
virtual
consultations
due
to
the
connectivity
issues
on
some
of
the
locations
that
tribal
representatives
are
joining
from,
and
things
like
that,
often
on
consultation,
you
won't
necessarily
get
folks
all
on
clear
video
at
the
same
time
or
you
may
have
in
some
cases
we've
had
six
or
seven
tribal
representatives
around
a
conference
table
in
one
little
zoom
square,
so
you
will
see
just
the
it
won't
just
be
someone
in
their
cat.
B
Are
there
any
other
follow-up
questions
people
have
okay?
On
that
note,
I
think
I'd
like
to
thank
city
staff
for
sort
of
continuing
this
work
and
providing
a
lot
of
continuity
that
as
council
members,
we
can't
necessarily
provide-
and
it
is
really
important
to
doing
this
work
ernest.
Thank
you
so
much
for
sharing
all
of
your
knowledge
on
this
topic
with
us
and
for
working
continuing
to
work
with
our
community.
B
How
does
everyone
feel
about
taking
a
five
minute
break
before
we
jump
into
our
next
segment?
Okay,
at
eight.
What
do
we
do?
Maybe
seven
minutes,
eight
thirty,
five
back
here,
okay,
I
was.
I
Afraid
you'd
give
ten
and
everybody
would
be.
Would
hate
me
next
time.
J
J
B
I
B
Okay,
now
that
we're
back,
we
have
nuria,
is
going
to
introduce
our
financial
and
rev
new
strategies
for
climate
work.
Section
of
our
agenda.
P
Thanks
lauren
and
I
had
more
to
say,
but
frankly,
you
never
need
to
hear
from
me
when
we
have
great
experts
and
staff.
So
today
has
been
a
really
interesting
and
fascinating
conversation
really
intentional
about
a
variety
of
things,
and
the
next
presentation
is
no
different.
So
with
that,
I
will
send
it
to
jonathan
to
introduce
himself
and
the
entire
team.
V
Awesome
thanks
for
the
handoff
neria
good
evening,
mayor
and
council
and
good
evening,
and
thanks
to
everybody
else,
watching
tonight's
discussion
at
home,
I
am
jonathan
cohen.
I
am
honored
to
serve
as
the
interim
director
of
the
climate
initiatives
department,
so
I'm
going
to
introduce
tonight's
topic
briefly
and
then
turn
the
presentation
over
to
my
colleagues.
Brett
can
caren
and
carolyn
elam.
I
I
always
want
to
start
these
sessions
by
thanking
council
in
our
community
for
the
ongoing
leadership,
particularly
in
climate
efforts.
V
I
also
just
have
to
thank
ernest
dan,
phil
and
pam
and
the
rest
of
the
team
for
that
really
powerful
important
discussion.
You
just
had,
I
would
say,
while
often
overlooked
working
with
indigenous
peoples,
will
be
a
central
pillar
of
climate
action,
so
there
is
a
great
connection
there.
So
that
said,
the
purpose
of
tonight's
discussion,
of
course,
is
to
talk
with
council
about
our
funding
sources
for
communities,
climate
work
and
to
present
staff's
recommendation.
V
V
I
will
come
back
to
council's
questions
at
the
end
of
the
presentation,
but
if
you're
following
along
they're,
listed
on
page
five
of
the
menu
on
the
memo,
generally
speaking,
we're
interested
in
hearing
council's
thoughts
on
staff's
recommendation
related
to
the
climate
action
plan
or
cap
tax
and
the
utility
occupation,
tax,
the
potential
to
increase
revenues
and
the
duration
of
the
tax,
and
also
to
hear
more
broadly,
what
questions
your
issues
council
has
on
the
funding
mechanism
mechanism
and
investment
philosophy
for
our
climate
work.
V
So
this
is,
of
course,
not
the
first
time
you've
heard
from
us
that
both
the
original
climate
action
measures
and
the
funding
strategies
that
the
city
put
in
place
back
in
2006
to
work
on
climate
change,
specifically,
the
cap
tax,
is
largely
insufficient
to
address
the
scale
and
accelerating
intensity
of
climate
change.
A
theme
we
really
hope
came
through
in
the
staff
memo
is
the
shift
in
core
characteristics
of
climate
work,
to
be
more
iterative
to
be
more
nimble
and
to
be
scalable.
V
The
funding
for
our
community
strategies
strategies
is
set
to
step
down,
meaning
the
voter
approved
climate
action
plan
tax
or
cap
tax
expires
in
just
over
a
year
from
now
in
march
of
2023,
which
is
really
why
we're
here
tonight
so
before
jumping
into
the
staff
presentation,
I
am
really
excited
to
introduce
dr
marty
horling.
He
is
the
chair
of
the
environmental
advisory
board
and
he's
here
to
share
a
few
reflections.
V
Dr
horling
is
a
meteorologist
in
noaa's
earth
system
research
lab
here
in
boulder.
He
is
the
co-editor
of
the
american
meteorological
society's
annual
special
report
on
explaining
extreme
events
from
a
climate
perspective
and
he's
also
a
fellow
of
the
american
meteorological
society,
and
he
has
published
over
100
scientific
papers
exploring
climate
dynamics,
so
we're
really
lucky
to
have
him
his
wisdom,
both
on
the
board
and
here
tonight,
so
marty,
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
you.
If
you
want
to
take
yourself
off
mute
and
mike
is
yours,.
W
W
just
real
briefly.
The
last
letter
2022
addressed
the
urban
canopy
heat
island
concern,
and
here
the
issue
really
again
is
how
do
we
protect
our
community
from
what
we
see
down
the
road
as
a
much
hotter,
if
you
will
less
friendly
summertime
environment
and
also
one
that's
not
particularly
equitable?
In
the
way
our
canopy
is
spread
around
the
city,
so
we
really
did
emphasize
that
in
the
annual
letter
to
council.
W
But
let
me
speak
to
sort
of
an
immediate
experience
that
I
think
we've
all
had
since
january
1
january,
2nd
concerning
the
climate
crisis,
which
really
was
a
backyard
event,
and
that,
of
course,
was
the
marshall
fire
and
give
you
a
little
bit
of
a
larger
view
of
the
marshall
fire
you
may
have
seen
in
the
last
week
it
was
carried
in
in
the
daily
camera.
It
was
sort
of
a
large
scale,
article
about
the
mega
drought.
That's
been
inflicting
quite
a
bit
of
severe
impacts
in
the
west.
W
It
is
considered
to
be
the
most
severe
drought
in
the
west
in
over
1200
years
of
available
records,
and
here
we
are
in
boulder
we
kind
of
are
sitting
in
the
middle
of
this
event.
I've
only
been
in
boulder
for
40
years
or
so
so.
This
is
my
my
second
decade
of
this
event.
It's
something
I
study,
it's
something
that
keeps
me
up
at
night
and
it's
something
that
even
our
board
has
talked
about,
because
one
of
the
biggest
concerns
that
we've
tried
to
deal
with
in
the
board
is
resilience
to
fire.
W
No
one
could
have
foreseen
what
happened
on
january,
1st
and
2nd.
I
mean
our
neighboring
communities
in
marshall
and
louisville,
but
it
was
a
fear
of
such
a
thing.
That
certainly
was
on
the
back
of
our
minds,
if
not
the
front
of
our
minds
in
in
the
eab,
so
resilience
to
things
like
that
is
something
of
great
concern.
W
It
was
certainly
for
many
of
us
in
in
the
field
that
I
worked
with
in
our
lab,
but
I
think
it
was
for
many
in
our
community
to
understand
what
is
the
climate
crisis
mean
to
us
locally,
so
we
come
back
to
resilience
and
that's
what
the
board
has
been
really
focusing
on.
It's
not
a
step
trial
to
mitigation.
W
It
really
is
central
to
the
whole
concern,
and
so
I
think
you'll
hear
a
lot
more
about
that
here
in
the
presentations
to
follow
the
marshall
fire.
Should
leave
with
very
little
doubt
in
our
minds?
It
certainly
doesn't
leave
any
in
my
mind
that
boulder
won't
have
a
soft
landing
in
this
climate
crisis.
W
W
Connectivity
is
connecting
with
our
neighbors,
so
that
was
really
good,
but
it
clearly
shows
the
urgent
need
for
the
investment
today
in
resilience,
and
I
think
that's
what
we'll
hear
about
in
the
presentation
to
follow
that
jonathan
is
going
to
introduce
again
real
quick
national
academy
of
sciences,
put
a
report
out
recently
highlighting
sort
of
three
elements
to
resilience
and-
and
these
will
be
touched
upon
in
the
presentation-
I
believe
one
is
preparedness.
W
It
goes
without
saying
it's
the
boy
scout
model,
it's
the
common
sense
thing,
but
the
other
one
is
the
notion
of
connectivity
and
no
one
is
left
behind.
So
as
we
deal
with
resilience,
everyone
is
lifted
and
elevated
and
everyone
is
taken
care
of
whether
that's
tribal,
local,
indigenous
and
so
forth.
All
people
are
going
to
be
part
of
who
is
connected
to
the
solution
and
then
the
other
one
is
flexibility.
W
Multi
multiple
options
are
always
under
consideration
as
we
adapt
so
adaptability.
I
think
we'll
see
that
in
the
priorities
being
laid
out
in
the
climate
work
that
that
staff
will
present
to
you
is
that
there
is
an
ongoing
adaptation
to
what
the
situation
requires
us
to
do.
So
we
come
back
investment
in
resilience
it
has
to
align.
This
was
a
key
point
in
the
letter
to
counsel
from
the
environmental
advisory
board
this
year,
and
that
has
to
account
for
the
social
cost
of
carbon.
W
W
If
you
will,
on
top
of
us
sometimes
unforeseen,
and
so
it
is
why
this
citizens
advisory
committee,
in
particular,
the
environment
advisory
board,
really
believes
it's
very
urgent
that
the
climate
work
that
the
city
and
staff
are
going
to
be
proposing
to
continue
to
propose
to
do
is
so
urgent
and
important
to
do,
and
so
I
think
with
that
I'll
leave
it
and
give
it
back
to
jonathan
to
pass
on
to
the
presentation,
and
I'm
here
for
questions
I'll,
be
here
for
the
duration.
Thank
you.
V
V
Okay,
thank
you
brett.
So
if
you
want
to
go
ahead
and
bring
up
the
slides,
we
can
ship
to
the
stat
presentation,
and
with
that
I
am
going
to
hand
it
off
to
brett
kincairn
and
he
will
walk
you
through
the
first
part
of
the
presentation.
I'll
join
you
near
the
end
to
talk
about
process.
Some
community
engagement
in
the
counsel,
questions.
V
L
Or
brett
see
where
it
says
display
settings
there
at
the
top.
L
So
now,
if
you
click
from
beginning
up
in
your
top
menu,
there.
J
L
I
think
we're
close.
Did
you
click
from
beginning
I
did,
it
might
be
slow,
try
again.
J
X
I'll
begin
as
carolyn
gets
these
up.
First
of
all,
thank
you
very
much
marty
for
those
of
you.
I
I
work
actually
as
the
staff
liaison
to
the
environmental
advisory
board,
and
it's
been
my
honor
to
work
with
marty
now
for
his
entire
term.
X
I'm
sad
to
say
that
marty
is
now
retiring
from
the
environmental
advisory
board,
which
of
course,
he's
not
retiring
from
climate
work
and
we're
going
to
continue
to
find
ways
to
draw
on
his
experience
so
so
good
evening
to
the
council
and
to
all
of
our
community
members
that
are
joining
us
this
evening
and
all
other
visitors
over
channel
8..
This
is
a
really
exciting
moment
for
us
to
share
this
next
stage
of
our
work
and
it's
also
an
honor.
X
It's
it's
a
little
disconcerting
that
we
are
here
again
that
was
in
2019.
We
first
came
to
council
to
ask
it
to
consider
passing
an
emergency
resolution
around
the
climate
emergency
as
many
other
communities
were
our
council
at
the
time
did
that
as
many
four
or
five
hundred
communities
around
the
world
did,
and
yet
I'm
sorry
to
say
that
at
this
point
we
haven't
seen
the
significant
progress
that
we
had
hoped
to
with
the
kinds
of
clear
calls
for
action.
X
So
I
want
to
emphasize,
as
we
did
last
june,
when
we
talked
with
council
about
these
new
targets
and
goals,
that
these
are
actually
society
level
goals
and
targets
that
they
have
to
be
achieved
by
the
entire
society.
For
us
to
accomplish
this
objective
for
boulder
to
achieve
those
objectives
alone,
even
if
it
were
possible
which
it
isn't,
because
these
have
to
be
achieved
at
a
society
level,
would
be
insufficient.
X
We
have
to
bring
our
entire
society
along
next
slide
and
that's
why
we
are
actually
talking
about
the
need
to
shift
our
approach
to
climate
action
towards
a
systems-based
approach.
Now,
what
does
that
mean
in
a
sense
in
the
easiest
possible
sense?
It
means
that
the
thing
that
we
need
to
do
becomes
the
cheapest
easiest.
Most
compelling
thing
to
do.
Not
the
most
difficult
hardest
and
most
individually
challenging
so
next
slide.
X
So
you
can
go
ahead
and
click
through
these
carolyn,
the
the
economy,
the
policies
that
we
create,
that
actually
drive
the
economy.
What
we
know
and
the
innovations
that
we
support
and,
of
course,
then
our
social
norms
and
customs
and
how
those
actually
create
the
system
within
which
the
causes
take
place.
Next
slide.
X
So
to
get
a
sense
of
what
it
might
take
to
accomplish
this
level
of
action,
we
conducted
a
financial
assessment
from
three
different
angles
and
I'm
going
to
talk
about
two
of
them
right
now.
This
is
one
in
the
memo
that
we
sent
to
you.
The
first
was
to
use
that
social
cost
of
carbon.
That
marty
just
mentioned.
You
know
this
is
essentially
the
assessment
that
the
economists
do
to
say
what
is
the
cost
in
the
future
of
a
ton
of
carbon
released
today?
X
It's
already
over
a
hundred,
but
to
give
that's
that
so
in
that
forty
to
fifty
dollar
range
valuation,
the
amount
of
carbon
that
boulder
currently
produces
annually,
which
is
about
1.3
million
tons
a
year,
would
be
then
needing
to
invest
something
like
55
to
70
million
dollars
to
be
able
to
compensate
for
those
those
damages
created
in
the
future.
We
also
looked
at
it
from
another
angle.
What
are
other
leading
communities
doing?
Well,
how
much
are
they
investing
to
try
to
create
these
sort
of
systems?
Change
actions?
Looked
at
ithaca,
we
looked
at
denver.
X
X
But
tonight
what
we're
really
talking
about
is
one
aspect
of
how
we
create
those
resources
to
support
that
work,
which
is
just
the
cap
tax
and
the
universal
occupation
tax.
There
are
other
sources
that
we're
going
to
need
to
explore
because
there
are
other
actors
that
need
to
participate
in
this
process
as
well,
both
within
our
city
and,
of
course,
with
across
our
community,
but
again
tonight.
The
focus
of
our
discussion
is
going
to
be
simply
the
renewal
of
the
cap
tax
and
options
around
that
process.
Y
Thank
you,
brett
and
thank
you
council
again,
I'm
carol
niela
my
sustainability
senior
manager
for
climate
initiatives.
I
think
jonathan
teed
this
up
quite
well.
I'm
really
talking
about
the
expiration
of
our
cap
tax,
it's
good
to
reflect
on
our
our
tax.
It
was
passed
just
over
14
years
ago
and
at
the
time
was
really
a
truly
innovative
and
novel,
really
ground
changing
tax.
Y
It
was
the
first
time
a
community
had
chosen
to
tax
its
own
electricity
use
to
generate
revenue
to
fund
programs
that
address
how
we
use
energy
and
its
impact
on
climate.
It's
really
been
a
model
ever
since
then
our
challenge
has
increased
since
the
tax
was
first
passed
when
we
were
only
working
towards
the
kyoto
targets
and
and
trying
to
achieve
a
seven
percent
emissions
reduction
to
today's
striving
for
70
emissions
reduction
by
2030
and,
ultimately,
carbon
neutrality.
But
that
decided
it's
been
an
important
component
as
brett
mentioned
again.
Y
Y
Again
we're
not
talking
about
all
of
the
investment
that's
made
throughout
our
city
budgets,
whether
it's
our
flood
work
or
housing
strategies,
or
more
broadly,
you
hear
from
our
other
colleagues
around
those
programs.
So
again
the
cap
tax
is
set
to
expire
march.
23Rd,
the
utility
occupation
tax
is
another
tax.
This
is
one
that
in
2020
was
repurposed
from
focusing
on
municipalization
to
one
that
has
broader
energy
connotation,
including
our
work
with
excel.
Y
This
tax
happens
to
be
set
to
expire
in
december
2025,
so
not
too
long
after
the
cap
tax.
These
are
two
core
funding
that
together
represent
about
3.9
million
dollars.
We
have
a
third
large
fund
that
comes
for
our
climate
work,
that
is
our
trash
tax.
It
brings
in
roughly
1.8
million
dollars
a
year.
This
tax
doesn't
expire,
it
doesn't
have
a
sunset
date.
It
also
is
one
that
carries
some
bonding
capacity,
which
I'll
talk
about
a
little
bit
more.
Y
So
when
you
come
and
ask
for
money,
the
first
thing
we
should
talk
about
is
what
we've
done
with
the
investment
we've
gotten
to
date
and
we're
really
proud
of
of
the
work
that's
taken
place
in
the
14
years
that
the
cap
tax
has
been
around
from
you
know.
Y
Nation-Leading
programs
focused
on
helping
our
business
and
residents
save
energy
through
efficiency
and
on-site
solar,
so
our
energy,
smart
programs
to
the
one
one
was
probably
the
first
net
zero
energy
code,
certainly
in
colorado
and
maybe
nationally
we're
already
at
net
zero
for
residential
construction,
our
leading
work
at
the
regulatory
and
legislative
efforts.
You
know
we
we
have
staff
who
have
helped
found
the
colorado
communities
for
climate
action.
We
support
our
legislative
delegation
quite
extensively.
Y
I
think
we
noted
in
the
memo
we've
intervened
in
more
than
25
regulatory
cases.
Just
in
the
last
five
years
at
the
public
utilities,
commission
we've
worked
with
the
community
to
electrify
our
transit
and
we've
been
part
of
some
critical
partnerships
that
really
advance
our
work
again.
These
we've
shown
some
statistics
up
here.
Y
Even
more
than
that,
if
you
could
take
into
account
our
building
codes,
we
put,
we
always
put
many
of
the
dollars
back
out
into
the
community,
so
I
think
often
folks
think
that
this
these
funds
only
go
to
support
staff
and
fact
staff
is
usually
less
than
half
of
the
total
cost
of
these
funds.
They
go
back
out
to
the
community
in
terms
of
investments
we
put
out
about
seven
and
a
half
million
dollars
just
in
rebates
and
incentives
and
grants
so
far,
millions
of
dollars
of
savings
for
the
community,
which
has
been
really
critical.
Y
So
with
that
in
mind,
as
we
looked
to
the
expiration
of
the
tax,
it
was
a
good
opportunity
to
really
again
reflect
on
what
we
what
works
well
with
the
tax
where
there's
opportunity
and
we've
revisited
analysis,
we
presented
to
council
back
in
2019
that
looked
at
other
potential
revenue
sources.
So
in
that
case
we
looked
at
a
natural
gas
tax.
This
was
still
a
viable
option.
Y
Y
We
looked
at
property
tax
again,
it
remains
a
viable
option,
we're
not
proposing
it
tonight,
but
it
is
something
on
the
table.
The
ones
we're
really
going
to
talk
about
tonight
are
really
either
just
extending
the
existing
taxes
we've
done
in
the
past
or
given
that
the
utility
occupation
tax
funds
similar
types
of
work.
It
too
is
due
for
expiration
and
there's
some
attributes
about
it
that
we
we
particularly
like
we
looked
at
replacing
both
the
cap
and
the
uot
with
the
new
tax.
Y
So
revisiting
our
cap
tax
as
it
exists
today
and
how
it's
structured.
This
is
a
tiered
rate
with
the
highest
rate
charged
to
residential
customers,
and
this
is
on
for
every
kilowatt
hour.
They
use.
Today's
rate
is,
is
just
under
a
half
a
cent
per
kilowatt
hour.
The
average
household
pays
about
27
dollars
per
year
into
the
tax.
Y
Y
There
was
concern
I
think,
about
how
this
would
impact
commercial
and
industrial
businesses,
so
this
tier
structure
was
put
in
place,
but
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
how
this
creates
a
little
bit
of
an
inequity
and
who
contributes
to
our
tax
who's,
benefiting
from
our
work
in
just
a
minute,
but
just
wanted
to
to
name
that
at
this
point
again
we're
showing
the
ranges
that
everybody
is
paying
up
to
an
industrial
customer.
So
that's
roughly
128
dollars
again.
Y
Here
I'm
showing
the
utility
occupation
tax.
This
is
structured
differently.
This
particular
tax.
We
set
a
revenue
target
for
the
year
and
then
the
utility
allocates
that
tax
rate
based
on
what's
necessary
to
collect
the
revenues
for
us,
and
so
in
this
case,
where
we
set
the
revenue
target
at
just
over
two
million
dollars
a
year
and
that
roughly
equates
to
how
the
utility
is
applying
it
at
about
1.6
percent,
but
again
we're
collecting
the
revenue
target.
Y
So
it
doesn't
vary
from
year
to
year
and
allows
us
some
flexibility
in
how
we
allocate
it
again,
showing
what
the
average
cost
is
by
customer
class
so
ranging
from
16
to
577.
Again,
this
is
the
qrt.
Y
So
I
mentioned
a
little
bit
about
kind
of
the
miss
balance
between
how
the
cap
tax
is
structured
today
and
where
emissions
are
coming
from.
So
this
graph
is
intended
to
really
illustrate
that,
so
the
the
chart
far
on
the
far
left,
is
our
emissions
associated
with
the
energy
usage.
So
this
is
electricity
and
natural
gas.
Y
So
this
is
what
shows
up
on
our
utility
reports
for
the
industrial
residential
commercial.
You
can
see
that
commercial
represents
roughly
half
of
the
total
emissions.
Industrial
is
just
shy
of
another
25
percent,
so
combine
our
commercial
and
industrial
community
representatives
pay
just
roughly
short
of
three
emit
roughly
three
quarters
of
our
missions,
but
then
in
the
middle
chart,
I'm
showing
the
cap
tax
revenues.
So
this
is
how
we
collect,
and
you
can
see
this
is
disproportionate.
Y
The
the
residential
the
residents
in
the
community
are
paying
roughly
two-thirds
of
the
tax,
even
though
they're
just
over
a
quarter
of
the
total
emissions.
So
this
is
one
of
the
inequities
that
we
really
wanted
to
think
about
how
we
could
tackle.
I'm
also
showing
how
the
utility
occupation
tax
shows
up
in
the
revenues,
and
you
can
see
it's
much
more
aligned
with
how
the
emissions
are
so
a
little
bit
more
representative
of
what
a
carbon
tax
might
really
be
considered.
Y
You'll
see
the
industrial
is
a
little
bit
low.
There
are
14
third-party
gas
providers
that
largely
service
the
industrial
sector,
so
it
doesn't
show
up
on
their
excellent
between
those
two
taxes
how
it
might
align
with
the
sources
of
emissions,
how
we
maybe
need
to
invest,
which
I'll
talk
about
a
little
bit
more.
We
really
came
to
our
recommendation
that
both
of
these
taxes
are
set
to
expire
fairly,
close
to
each
other.
Y
There
are
things
around
the
cap
tax
that
we
would
like
to
correct
in
terms
of
how
the
rates
are
structured
and
how
we
collect.
We
don't
necessarily
just
want
to
charge
it
on
electricity,
for
example,
if
you're
taking
the
right
actions
today,
you're
electrifying
your
home
you're
electrifying
your
vehicle
you're,
paying
more
into
cap
tax
than
your
neighbor,
who
is
still
using
natural
gas
appliances
in
their
home.
Y
So
we
want
to
fix
that
as
as
well
and
really
equitably
allocate
the
tax,
we
are
recommending
an
increase
over
today's
3.9
million
to
a
5
million
dollar
level.
This
added
gives
us
the
opportunity
to
accelerate
some
of
our
work
in
combination
with
bonding
capacity,
which
is
another
thing
we
would
like
to
include.
This
gives
us
some
ability
to
fundraise
against
future
revenue,
so
we
can
take
accelerated
action
now
against
those
future
revenues
and
to
make
that
possible.
Y
So
this
this
chart
now
shows
how
that
equates
to
bill
impact,
ultimately,
for
our
voters
in
our
businesses,
who
are
going
to
have
to
make
a
decision
about
this
on
a
ballot
initiative.
Council
likes
to
put
it
forward
per
recommendation,
so
the
first
column
is
showing
with
the
cumulative
taxes
today
between
the
the
cap
tax
and
the
utility
occupation
tax.
That
is
just
adding
up
those
previous
two
charts.
I
showed
you
and
so
a
resident
typically
pays
a
total
of
43
dollars
per
year
into
our
climate
revenue
between
the
two
funds.
Y
If
we
just
restructured
the
tax
similar
to
the
utility
occupation,
tax
structure
and
just
targeted
the
same
revenues
today,
that's
what
the
next
column
is
showing
you
that
3.9
million
dollar
level
you
can
see
the
average
rate
for
residents
would
actually
go
down,
and
even
if
at
our
recommended
target
of
5
million
dollars,
it's
still
ultimately
a
savings
for
residents,
because
again
we're
equitably
distributing
the
cost
to
the
larger
meters,
which
are
the
commercial
and
industrial
participants.
Y
You
know
this
certainly
does
increase
their
annual
cost
to
the
tax,
but
again
they've
been
actually
largely
benefiting
from
any
of
the
dollars.
We've
been
putting
out
there
and
we
continue
to
benefit
and
again
we're
not
talking
about
a
significant
increase
just
to
provide
some
bounding
on
this.
We
did
show
what
would
happen
if
we
wanted
to
double
the
tax.
We're
not
recommending
that
again.
Acknowledging
that
trying
to
achieve
all
of
our
climate
work
with
the
tax
on
a
utility
bill
is
probably
not
the
the
correct
strategy.
Y
We
we
really
want
to
center
that
tax,
more
broadly
or
our
revenue.
More
broadly
across
all
the
types
investments
we
need
to
make
and
addressing
in
equities
is
really
important.
Y
We
flagged
this
back
in
2019
when
we
were
talking
about
the
natural
gas
and
vehicle
fee,
but
really
making
sure
that
we're
learning
from
some
of
the
things
we
would
have
liked
to
have
changed
about
the
cap
tax
in
in
years
past.
Given
that
we're
recommending
a
new
tax
structure
again
adjusting
the
structure
so
that
it's
equitably
distributing
the
cost
to
residents
businesses,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
increasing
the
energy
burden
for
those
in
the
community
who
are
already
experiencing
a
significant
burden.
Y
Y
We
want
to
think
about
some
innovative
solutions.
This
is
just
one
opportunity.
We
want
to
find
more
ways
by
which
we
can
either
provide
rebates
or
other
means
by
which
we
can
exclude
customers
from
collecting
the
tax,
who
again
maybe
aren't
on
energy
assistance,
but
otherwise
would
qualify
for
such
programs
or
certain
types
of
businesses
that
we
want
to
prioritize
that
are
experiencing
significant
energy
burden.
Today.
Y
So
I'm
going
to
talk
about
our
energy
systems
work
and
then
I
will
pass
it
back
to
brett
to
talk
about
some
of
our
others,
as
we
think
about
our
energy
system,
and
I've
talked
a
lot
about
energy
burden,
as
these
temperatures
continue
to
rise.
I've
already
talked
about
the
stressors
that
we're
experiencing.
Y
We
have
many
in
our
community
today
who
already
experience
a
high
cost
of
energy.
You
know,
roughly
30
percent
of
folks
within
the
state
actually
are
characterized
as
energy
burdened.
We
have
community
members
who
I
know
of
that
already
pay
more
than
half
of
their
gross
income
towards
their
energy
bills.
We
need
to
write
this.
We
also
need
to
make
sure
that
our
buildings
are
healthy
and
safe
as
we
continue
to
experience
deteriorating
air
quality.
Y
That
means
we
need
to
get
natural
gas
out
of
our
buildings.
We
need
to
tighten
them
up.
We
need
to
make
them
resilient
to
what's
coming,
while
also
managing
that
energy
burden.
Y
So
as
we
think
about
these
future
programs,
we're
really
thinking
about
the
speed
and
scale
things
that
we
have
to
do
the
financial
tools,
the
workforce
development
and
we
really
need
to
target
our
most
vulnerable
housing
stock
right
now,
we're
we're
looking
at
our
manufactured
housing
community,
many
of
whom
experienced
similar
damage
from
during
the
what
was
the
marshall
fire
event,
but
the
wind
event
that
caused
that
day,
they're
left
behind
under
current
programs
that
address
some
of
the
the
damage
that
occurred,
we're
trying
to
help
and
shore
up
those
envelopes,
as
we
really
try
to
make
them
more
resilient
going
forward
with
that,
I
will
pass
it
back
to
brett.
X
Thanks
carolyn,
so
we're
just
going
to
give
you
a
quick
sampling
of
some
of
these
other
sort
of
big
moves
categories.
Tonight,
isn't
really
about
the
discussion
of
what
we're
doing
it's
more
about
the
kind
of
how
we
fund
it,
but
we
did
want
to
at
least
give
you
some
flavor
of
some
of
these
other
things
that
we're
working
on
and
one
of
the
areas
that
we
are
really
again
leading
in
even
nationally
in
terms
of
local
jurisdiction.
X
Climate
action
is
really
in
thinking
about
the
role
of
living
systems,
natural
climate
solutions
in
our
climate
action.
So
this
year
we're
going
to
be
launching
the
first
climate
action
campaign
explicitly
focused
on
natural
climate
solutions.
It's
going
to
be
called
cool
boulder.
It's
going
to
have
three
major
action
areas:
urban
forestry,
cool
and
connected
corridors
which
brings
in
our
pollinator
work
and
then
work
in
our
natural
and
working
lands
and
others
around
absorbent
landscapes.
X
We
have
significant
targets
that
we're
working
at
over
the
next
seven
eight
years,
nine
years
around
this
planting,
twenty
thousand
trees,
many
of
most
of
them
on
private
lands,
regenerating
five
thousand
acres
of
land.
That's
going
to
become
more
carbon
absorptive
and
water,
absorptive
actually
capturing
as
much
as
50
000
tons
a
year
of
carbon
into
these
landscapes.
So
that's
the
kind
of
local
level
action
to
show
again
how
this
reflects
into
a
systems
change
approach.
X
Last
year
we
helped
lead
efforts
at
the
regional
level
to
start
looking
at
an
urban
forestry
scale
up
across
the
front
range.
We
worked
with
fort
collins
in
denver,
aurora
westminster
and
others.
We
actually
helped
to
write
the
first
regional
urban
forestry
scale
up
strategy
that
we
know
of
in
the
country
that
has
an
explicit
focus
on
equity,
centered,
workforce
development
as
a
part
of
its
core
and
then
at
a
national
level.
X
We
actually
helped
to
convene
and
coordinate
a
national
initiative
that
included
american
forest
davie
tree
trust
for
public
land
and
we're
integral
in
actually
getting
a
two
and
a
half
billion
dollar
line
item
put
into
the
buildback
better
plan
around
urban
forestry.
Now,
of
course,
we
just
need
to
get
that
passed
simultaneously.
We've
actually
also
been
working
on
leading
groups
of
cities
into
this
work,
so
we
on
a
monthly
basis,
actually
coordinate
a
group
of
over
70
cities
and
counties
that
are
now
starting
to
adopt
natural
climate
solutions
as
well.
X
X
Those
red
areas,
for
example,
are
three
to
five
tempe
five
degrees
warmer
than
on
average,
the
rest
of
the
community,
and
those
are
the
kinds
of
areas
that
we
then
look
at
in
that
second
map
of
where
are
the
trees
and
where
aren't
they,
and
how
do
we
start
focusing
things
like
our
urban
forestry
effort
into
those
areas?
Next
slide?
X
So
just
I'm
going
to
close
by
saying
we
talked
about
what
is
the
scale
of
resourcing
that
we
need
to
do
we
we
mentioned
the
carbon,
the
carbon
tax
approach
or
kind
of
the
social
cost
of
carbon.
We
talked
about
comparing
with
other
communities,
and
now
we
actually
have
a
portfolio
of
what
we
have
been
thinking
of
as
big
moves
and
we've
priced
that
out
and
get
this
sense
of.
We
think
we
can
really
start
moving
out
and
making
very
significant
progress
at
this
somewhere
in
the
neighborhood
of
10
to
15
million
annual
investment.
X
Now
again,
the
the
kinds
of
revenue
streams
that
we're
talking
about
tonight
are
not
the
only
ones
that
we
need
to
be
discussing
and
not
the
only
ones
that
there
are
available
to
leverage,
but
just
to
get
a
sense
of
what
we
think.
At
least
this
next
sort
of
stage
of
climate
action
needs
to
look
like
resourcing
wise.
That's
the
amount
that
we're
looking
at
so
with
that.
I'm
going
to
turn
it
back
to
jonathan
to
talk
about
the
rest
of
the
process
in
in
this
effort.
V
Thanks
brad,
I
I
recognize
counsel
you've
had
a
long
night,
so
I'm
going
to
try
to
wrap
this
pretty
quickly.
One
thing
I
will
say
as
I
as
I
watch
those
last
three
slides
I
I
realize
that
that
could
feel
very
overwhelming.
There's
a
lot
of
detail
there.
When
we
talk
about
big
moves,
there's
a
lot
of
denseness
to
what
we're
discussing
the
reason
that
we
wanted
to
give
you.
That
snapshot
is
we've
heard
over
and
over
again
in
a
very
logical
way.
V
If
we
think
about
extending
or
changing
this
tax,
how
would
we
think
about
using
those
dollars?
What
would
we
do
differently
and
so
we're
trying
to
give
counsel
in
the
community?
A
sense
of
there
is
no
shortage
of
great
ideas
and
the
big
moves
that
we've
been
discussing
and
that
are
outlined
in
your
memo,
particularly
in
in
the
appendices.
V
I
think
really
give
you
some
of
that
color
of
how
we
have
been
thinking
about
it.
But
as
I
talk
about
the
process,
there's
such
a
critical
need
to
work
both
with
council
in
the
community
to
really
hone
in
on
the
most
effective
strategies
that
we
want
to
take
on
as
a
community.
So
here's
the
process,
you
all
know
it
well
just
wanted
to
point
out.
We've
had
a
series
of
conversations
again
with
the
environmental
advisory
board
and
the
fsc
if
council
elects
to
move
forward.
V
This,
of
course,
will
not
be
the
last
time
we
discuss
this.
We
can
talk
about
it
again
at
your
may
10th
study
session
on
things
that
may
be
advancing
to
the
ballot
in
november.
That
gives
us
time
over
the
summer
to
really
iterate
the
ballot
item
and
to
really
prioritize
the
engagement
that
we
believe
is
so
critical.
Moving
towards
that
timeline
around
the
end
of
august
or
september,
where
we
have
to
finalize
the
ballot
items
so
go
ahead
and
go
to
the
next
slide.
V
If
you
don't
mind
all
right
well,
we
are
planning
quite
a
bit
of
communication
engagement
through
2022,
regardless
of
the
outcome
of
tonight's
discussion.
They
were
described
in
your
memo
on
page
19..
It's
not
inclusive
of
all
of
our
communication
engagement
activities
planned
for
the
year,
but
I
do
want
to
stress
that
the
community
and
council
once
again
are
essential
partners
in
determining
the
future
of
our
climate
funding.
V
If
council
elects
to
move
forward,
any
changes
to
funding
are
going
to
require
a
voter
approval,
so
it'll
be
really
important
that
any
ballot
item
reflect
community
input
and
is
broadly
understood
by
voters
so,
depending
on
the
direction
of
council,
will
immediately
begin
targeted
outreach
to
the
community
on
the
proposed
approach
with
the
aim
of
getting
direct
feedback.
This
is
also
intended
to
include
some
level
of
polling
to
test
tax
amounts
and
specific
messaging,
and
our
plan
would
be
to
include
informational
meetings
that
would
allow
for
anyone.
V
That's
interested
in
participating
to
ask
questions,
offer
perspectives
and
feedback
both
on
what
we're
proposing
and
the
big
moves.
Moving
forward.
I
will
admit
we
we
could
have
been
doing
better
at
engagement
during
covet,
but
it's
critical.
We
find
ways
to
engage
more
effectively
moving
forward.
It's
been
a
challenge
I
think
for
all
of
us,
so
we've
laid
out
these
three
phases.
First,
targeted
outreach.
Second
thinking
about
voter
information,
and
then
the
third
is
really
beyond
2022,
and
it's
intended
to
engage
around
the
re.
V
The
next
stage
of
climate
action,
the
next
generation
of
climate
action
and
the
proposed
big
moves.
So
we'd
want
to
feather
that
in
through
those
three
phases
over
this
year.
Okay,
next
slide
and
enough
talking
I'd
like
to
shift
to
listening
turn
back
over
to
counsel
here
are
the
questions
they're
up
on
the
screen.
I
don't
want
to
read
these
verbatim
again,
they're
on
page
five.
V
That
way
we
can
take
down
the
powerpoint
slide
and
see
one
another,
and
then
I'd
like
to
just
turn
this
back
over
to
council
member
voters.
B
Thank
you
so
much
for
that
presentation.
That
was
a
lot
really
fast,
but
but
all
good,
so
does
anyone
who
wants
to
kick
us
off
with
some
questions
specifically
about
this
okay
mark.
Q
I
have
a
couple
of
questions.
Jonathan,
can
you
speak
to
the
other
sources
of
funding
that
you're
going
to
use
to
supplement
what
we're
contemplating
doing
today,
it's
nice
to
know
the
full
picture,
not
just
a
part
of
the
picture.
V
Yeah
so
mark
it's
a
fabulous
question
and
I
don't
think
that
we
hit
that
quite
effectively.
So
when
we
talked
about
the
the
the
level
of
investment,
that's
necessary
to
kind
of
go
where
we
need
to
go
want
to
really
stress
that
that
doesn't
mean
that
those
are
the
funds
that
need
to
come
through
this
particular
revenue
source.
What
that
means
is
we
need
to
start
looking
at
how
our
existing
funds
throughout
the
organization,
in
fact,
are
really
supporting
our
collective
climate
work.
V
Just
some
clear
examples:
we've
had
some
incredible
work
going
on
with
our
partners
in
open
space
and
parks
and
facilities
and
fleet.
We
don't
tag
the
work
in
those
departments
as
being
climate
work,
but
it
is
supportive
of
stabilizing
climate
and
building
a
resilient
community,
and
so
what
we
want
to
do
is
get
a
clear
picture
of
how
those
investments
are
being
made,
particularly
through
our
master
planning
processes,
our
our
city,
budgeting
processes,
and
it's
not
just
the
city
organization.
V
Q
It
does
in
part,
although
I'd
love,
to
see
more
detail
as
to
how
these
revenues
are
going
to
be
supplemented.
I
take
it,
you
did
I
I
well.
My
first
question
is
I
assume
you
want
a
bonding
resolution
to
accompany
the
tax
approval
in
november.
V
It's
it's
our
hope
to
be
able
to
use
these
dollars
and
leverage
them
more
widely
to
be
able
to
issue
debt
against
those
revenues
for
some
of
the
bigger
more
expensive,
maybe
infrastructure
projects,
particularly
around
resilience
and
climate
that
we
haven't
touched
previously.
So
the
idea
is
that
we
would
hope
to
be
able
to
move
forward
a
ballot
measure.
They
would
give
us
that
capability,
so
that
would
include.
Q
Bonding
okay:
did
you
consider
at
all
sales
tax
sales
tax
increase,
even
of
modest
proportions,
to
perhaps
augment
these
revenues.
V
We
back
in
2019,
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
that
we
did
bring
forward
to
council
is
a
whole
suite
of
options
to
be
able
to
look
at
our
kind
of
the
totality
of
revenue
needs
for
our
climate
work.
A
sales
tax
was
proposed
at
that
time
and
it
was
not
recommended
by
staff
and
it
definitely
wasn't
supported
by
a
council
at
that
time,
and
so
we
did
take
that
off
the
list.
If
that's
something
that
council
would
be
interested
in
revisiting,
we
can
certainly
do
that.
Q
I'm
just
suggesting
that,
in
light
of
the
eye-opening
experience
of
the
marshall
fire,
I
think
people's
attention
has
been
clearly
focused
on
the
environment
and
climate
change
and
there
might
be
a
different
receptivity.
I'm
not
saying
that
by
the
way
in
in
lieu
of
this.
Q
But
supplemental
to
this,
when
you
talk
about
five
million
dollars
generated
through
the
new
tax,
is
that
gross
or
net
after
exemptions
for
those
who
need
it
and
rebates
for
those
who
require
it
as
well?.
V
I
would
ask
carolyn
to
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
here,
but
it
is
inclusive
of
the
types
of
exemptions
we
would
expect
giving
out.
So.
Q
I
have
other
questions
later
I'll,
just
finish
with
one
sort
of
question
and
comment,
which
is:
why
did
you
settle
on
the
5
million
dollar
number?
It
seems
that,
in
light
of
the
magnitude
of
what
we're
dealing
with
and
the
number
of
bold
initiatives
we
have
to
take,
this
is
being
fairly
conservative
and
cautious,
and
you
know
the
difference
between
eight
million
dollars
and
five
million
dollars
from
current
levels.
Q
If
there's
anything
that
this
community
seems
to
coalesce
around
it
is
you
know
the
value
of
aggressively
attacking
climate
change
and
again
after
the
marshall
fire,
you
know
you
sit
and
look
at
the
open
space
and
you
can
almost
imagine
the
flames
coming.
So
it
would
seem
to
me
that
a
bolder
approach
might
will
might
be
well
received
by
the
community.
Did
you
give
any
serious
consideration
to
that.
V
Yeah
mark
sorry
for
the
grinning,
because
this
was
the
the
central
point
for
hours
and
hours
of
conversations
of
our
staffs
team.
Let
me
try
to
answer
the
question
straight
and
realistically,
yes,
absolutely,
we
looked
at
a
range
of
of
revenue
based
on
the
comment
that
you
just
made.
Yes,
we.
We
absolutely
believe
that
this
is
a
crisis,
and
we
we
tried
to
put
forward
the
level
of
investment
that
we
believe
is
necessary
to
meet
that
crisis.
V
Furthermore,
the
vehicle
for
collecting
these
revenues,
as
carolyn
pointed
out,
we
don't
believe,
is
an
equitable
approach,
while
it
is
a
good
vehicle
to
collect
revenues
going
much
further
in
terms
of
tying
a
tax
to
someone's
utility
bill
did
not
feel
like
the
right
approach
so
being
able
to
look
at
that,
along
with
the
other
revenue
sources
and
other
other
sources
of
funds
that
we
can
start
to
explore
throughout
the
city
organization.
V
Looking
at
grants
looking
at
again
federal
dollars,
we
felt
like
it
was
appropriate
and
necessary
to
yes
increase
in
in
incremental
way,
but
not
go
too
far.
We
also
want
to
spend
time
talking
with
those
directly
impacted,
particularly
the
business
community,
to
understand
what
this
impact
might
look
like
to
them.
So
before
going
too
far,
we
thought
that
it
would
put
us
on
the
right
path.
V
Give
us
a
good
down
payment
on
the
type
of
work
that
we
want
to
be
bringing
forward
and
accelerating
supporting
the
good
work
that
we
continue
to
do
and
have
been
doing,
and
so
we
felt
like
it
was
a
good,
a
good
balance
to
to
our
approach.
I
would
invite
again
carolyn
or
brett
to
add
any
more
color
to
that.
Q
I
I
would
only
suggest
that
you
might
want
to
pull
to
see
whether
would
the
average
individual
be
prepared
to
pay
17
more
a
year
to
support
climate
change
efforts.
I
mean-
and
I
can't
believe
I'm
saying
this
because
I'm
usually
fairly
reticent
about
increasing
taxes,
but
I
I
can't
think
I
can't
believe
this
community
would
not
want
to
participate
in
a
an
aggressive
effort
to
deal
with
the
problem
so
that
now
I'm
going
to
let
other
people
have
their
say.
Thanks.
Z
Z
First
of
all,
jonathan
brett,
carolyn
and
marty
glad
to
meet
you
marty
so
so
happy.
We
can
meet
you
today.
That
was
an
excellent
presentation.
The
pac
was
very
long.
The
presentation
was
very
lively,
so
I
appreciate
that.
I
appreciate
how
you're
trying
to
fix
those
inequities.
I'm
not
sure
mark
that
I
100,
usually
I
agree
with
mark,
but
I'm
not
sure
I
100
agree
with
you.
It's
it's
it's
refreshing
to
hear
the
city
say
that
they
want
to
look
for
other
ways
to
pay
for
things.
Z
Besides,
you
know
the
utility
tax
people
are
complaining
about
their
utility
bills
already,
and
I
think
it
is
a
very
hard
time
right
now
in
terms
of
asking
for
extra
money.
So
I
appreciate
how
hard
you
are
looking
in
other
places.
I
also
wanted
to
say
that
I
appreciate
greatly
appreciate
the
extra
20
000
trees
and
the
urban
forestry
scale
up.
I
think
that's
really
an
exciting
part
of
this.
Z
The
the
more
the
natural
way
of
dealing
with
climate
and
mark
really
spoke
about
pretty
much
everything
I
was
going
to
so
I
could
have
taken
my
hand
down,
except
that
I
wanted
to
thank
you,
jonathan
and
team,
for
everything
that
you've
done
and
lastly,
especially
that
community
input
part-
and
I
got
a
fair
amount
of
emails
from
the
community
where
they
really
wanted
to
feel
like
they
were
involved
in
the
next
level
of
how
we
deal
with
climate
change
in
the
city,
and
I'm
excited
to
see
that
that
is
on
your
list
and
we
have
such
a
brilliant
amount
of
clients,
climate
scientists
in
this
city.
Z
AA
I
do
thank
you.
I
can't
remember
if
you
said
this
just
tonight
or
the
financial
strategy
committee,
a
meeting
we
had
last
week
where
you
reviewed
this,
but
is
the
staff
planning
to
to
pull?
I
know
that
a
lot
of
times
we
pull
the
community
before
we
ask
for
either
a
tax
extension
or
tax
change.
Is
there
a
plan
to
pull
the
community
on
this
one.
V
Yeah
thanks
bob.
There
is
in
fact-
and
I
went
through
that
slide
rather
quickly-
it's
in
that
first
phase
of
community
engagement
on
the
cap
tax.
Of
course,
we
would
be
measuring
more
than
just
a
sense
of
passage,
we'd
be
looking
to
test
tax
amounts,
specific
messaging
and
and
bob.
I
also
appreciate
mark's
comment
about
looking
at
you
know,
kind
of
that
threshold
of
of
comfort
in
terms
of
funding
levels.
So,
yes,
it
is
part
of
our
plan
and.
AA
V
It
is
depending
on
the
outcome
of
tonight,
we've
already
begun,
having
conversations
on
working
with
a
polling
agency
to
to
start
thinking
about
the
level
of
questions.
The
number
of
questions,
and
so
we've
already
put
that
in
motion
great.
AA
I
really
appreciate
that,
and
then
I
just
want
to
kind
of
go
back
to
where
mark
left
off
it.
It
might
be
kind
of
interesting
to
to
pull
at
a
couple.
Different
levels,
because
mark
might
be
quote,
be
right
that
that
extra,
I
think
about
his
math,
is
right.
The
extra
17
dollars
may
be
something
that
voters
would
support
and
then
I'm
going
to
put
a
plug
in
as
long
as
you're
doing
a.
A
AA
To
pull
on
the
library
tax
too,
because
mark's
mark's
proposal
was
17
more
the
library
tax
for
a
million
dollar
house,
which
is
pretty
average
in
boulder,
is
271
dollars
more.
I
would
think
that
would
be
something
that
people
would
want
to
know,
and
I
know
one
of
the
objections
to
doing
a
poll
a
couple
weeks
ago
was
that
it
wasn't
cost
us
some
money.
But
if
we're
going
to
spend
money
on
a
poll
anyway,
my
guess
is
having
a
question
or
two
probably
won't
cost
much
more.
AA
So
I'm
going
to
throw
that
out
to
staff
and
my
council
colleagues
to
consider
having
a
couple
of
library
questions
in
there
as
well.
So
we're
not
going
into
november
blind
on
the
library
which
that
tax
is
quite
a
bit
bigger
than
the
than
the
climate
tax
we're
talking
about.
Thanks.
V
Yeah,
if,
if
you
allow
me
to
just
respond
to
that
bob
yeah,
when
we
talked
at
fsc,
we
did
talk
about
the
fact
that
we
have
pulled
on
multiple
items
in
the
past.
V
I
I
did
want
to
point
out,
though,
that
I
would
be
a
little
bit
concerned
that
combining
polling
on
what
is
a
regional
issue
with
a
city
only
tax
might
create
some
confusion,
and
so
for
that
reason
I
I
would
recommend
against
it,
but
certainly
if
council
wants
to
do
that,
we
can
look
at
how
we
could
actually
try
to
combine
some
questions.
But
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
known.
AA
V
Yeah,
I
guess
if
I
was
going
to
answer
that
right
now,
I
I'd
have
to
think
about
how
to
write
the
questions
in
a
way
that
wouldn't
be
terribly
confusing
and
allow
us
to
get
what
we
need
out
of
the
poll
for
the
cap
and
the
uot,
and
so
again
we're
talking
about
both
the
cap
tex
and
the
uot,
and
that
seems
fairly
confusing
on
itself
to
understand
the
differences
and
nuances
between
those
two
and
then
adding
a
third
one
in
just
could
create
some
confusion.
V
C
Thank
you
thanks
jeff
for
this
great
presentation
and
thanks
dr
horling
for
being
here
as
well.
My
question
is:
really,
you
know
just
just
around
kind
of
these,
these
under
other
funding
mechanisms,
so
just
to
follow
up
on
some
of
what
mark
was
asking
about.
C
What
I
hear
you
saying
jonathan
is
that
taxing
electricity
is
not
necessarily
the
best
way
to
go,
and
I
think
you've
gotten
us
all
excited
about
trying
to
make
our
community
resilient
in
the
face
of
the
climate
emergency,
and
you
know
so,
I'm
just
wondering
if
you
have
a
sense
of
what
point
you
know.
Is
there
going
to
be
a
point
where
you
all
are
going
to
come
back
to
counsel
this
council
or
another
one
and
say:
oh
hey,
you
know
we
we're
going
to
need
some
more
money
at
this
stage.
C
You
know
to
really
move
forward
and
I'm
just
wondering
you
know
how
I
guess:
how
eager
to
get
about
trying
to
you
know,
get
more
money
out
of
this
climate
tax
versus
giving
you
all
a
little
more
time
to
think
about
what
are
some
other
mechanisms
that
might
be
more
equitable
to
get
some.
Some
funding
later.
V
Yeah,
nicole,
thank
you.
It's
a
it's
a
really,
really
good
question
and
once
again
I
keep
offering
for
my
colleagues
to
jump
in
and
add
a
little
bit
of
color.
I
I
would,
I
guess,
start
by
saying
it
was
never
staff's
intention
to
do
this
in
an
incremental
way,
meaning
to
try
to
bring
forward
a
tax
increase
it
by
a
million
dollars
and
then
come
back
in
another
couple
of
years
and
kind
of
keep
doing
that
we
thought
long
and
hard
about
this
asymmetry
around
level
of
investment.
V
Here's
the
revenues
that
we're
asking
for
between
the
combination
of
these
two
taxes
and
how
do
you
square
those
things
up,
and
that
is
really
where
our
conversations
took
an
approach
to
say
where,
when
I
was
trying
to
answer
mark's
question
earlier,
maybe
not
successfully,
which
is
using
the
utility
bill.
Just
it
just
not
does
not
feel
like
the
best
way
to
raise
the
level
of
dollars
that
we
are
seeking.
V
It
is
a
good
foundation
for
the
type
of
work
we
need
to
do,
but
we
also
need
to
leverage
those
dollars
and
explore
those
other
funding
mechanisms
in
a
very,
very
real
way,
and
so
I
would
be
reluctant
to
say
that
we
are
going
to
come
back
in
the
very
near
future
in
the
next
year
or
two
with
with
another
request
to
increase
the
amount.
I
think
that
just
doesn't
seem
like
the
right
approach
for
me
personally,
but
I
really
would
love
to
hear
carolyn
brett.
V
X
Well,
I
just
add
that,
as
as
jonathan
and
carolyn
have
both
been
saying,
trying
to
put
all
of
our
resource
needs
in
one
sort
of
revenue
stream,
especially
when
we've
now
I
mean
think
about
where
we
were
16
years
ago.
When
we
were
thinking
about
climate
action,
we
thought
it
was
all
about
energy
systems.
We
weren't
even
thinking
about
consumption
based
emissions.
We
weren't
thinking
about
ecosystems,
and
is
it
right,
for
example,
to
build
an
entire
program
around
creating
resilient
landscapes
on
our
utility
bill?
X
Probably
not
so
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
we're
actually
in
conversations
with,
for
example,
the
trust
for
public
lands,
conservation,
finance
team,
one
of
the
finest
groups
in
the
country
around
developing
new
revenue
streams
around
living
systems
to
talk
about
hey,
you
guys
have
been
experts
in
parks
and
things.
What
about
natural
climate
solutions?
Would
you
like
to
bring
that
team
in
to
start
working
with
boulder,
maybe
the
first
time
in
the
country
to
think
about
creating
new
kinds
of
revenue
streams
that
might
be
wreckable
replicable
for
other
places
by
the
way?
X
Y
Yeah
thanks
brad.
I
think
the
only
thing
I
would
add
is
you
know,
I
think
it's
again
as
we
talk
about
climate
resilience,
it's
so
integrated
into
the
work
we
do
throughout
the
city
organization.
I
would
you
know,
I
think
it's
going
to
show
up
in
in
how
we
prioritize
investments
in
other
areas
right.
So
when
we
talk
about,
we
need
to
invest
60
million
dollars.
That
doesn't
mean
we
need
60
million
new
dollars.
Y
It
just
means
we
need
to
prioritize
that
level
of
investment,
and
so
I
think
I
would
just
bring
that
flavor
into
is.
I
think
you've
you've
been
hearing
some
of
the
presentations,
whether
it's
how
we
shore
up
our
city
facilities
to
make
sure
that
that
they're
prepared
it's
showing
up
in
other
places
as
well,
not
necessarily
as
this
single
focused
climate
tax,
but
rather
integrated
across
all
of
our
sources
of
revenue
and
all
of
our
investment
strategies.
C
Thank
you
and
I
think
I
didn't
clarify
my
question
or
didn't
state
my
question
very
well.
It's
basically,
you
know
as
you're
thinking
about
these
other
mechanisms
for
funding
are
there.
C
You
know
what
is
sort
of
the
timeline
for
having
some
idea
of
what
other
asks
from
the
community
may
be
right
as
you're
considering,
I
think
you
know
you
mentioned
something
like
property
tax,
for
example,
as
being
something
that
might
sustain
some
more
of
these
climate
initiatives
in
the
future,
and
I
I
guess
I'm
just
sort
of
wondering
you
know
for
the
community.
C
V
No,
it's
a
completely
fair
question.
We
hadn't
really
thought
about
a
timeline
associated
with
that,
so
I'd
like
to
be
able
to
bring
that
back.
Perhaps
if
we
have
a
discussion
again
in
may-
and
maybe
it's
a
discussion
that
we
want
to
have
through
the
engagement
process
this
summer,
to
talk
to
our
community
about
what
would
that
look
like
what
are
some
of
those
vehicles?
What's
the
timeline
around
that?
How
could
we
start
to
leverage
some
of
these
other
funds,
so
I
I
would
suggest
to
do
that
in
consultation
with
the
community.
C
Yeah,
no,
I
think
that
sounds
great
and
also
just
just
really
to
be
building
a
framework
for
the
community
so
that
they
understand
that
it's
not
just
sort
of
this
one
thing
and
then
we're
good
we're
all
set
heading
into.
You
know
climate,
a
warmer
future.
It's
really
going
to
be
a
longer
term
process.
My
only
other
question
was
just
around
the
engagement.
Is
this
going
to
be
a
place
where
the
community
connectors
will
be
involved
as
well
in
facilitating
some
of
that
engagement
process?
V
Absolutely
we've
been
exploring
a
number
of
avenues
to
make
sure
that
it's
not
just
the
the
regular
I'm
not
say
that
in
a
negative
way.
But
but
we
have
good
connection
to
a
lot
of
experts
in
our
community
and
we
really
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
hearing
from
everybody
and
engaging
with
everybody
so
whether
it's
the
climate
justice
collaborative
community
connectors
we've
been
identifying
a
number
of
entities
that
we
want
to
work
directly
with.
E
Thanks
lauren
brett
jonathan,
I
I
thank
you
for
presenting
that
and
and
I'm
what
I
really
like,
is
that
we've
transitioned
to
a
systems-based
model.
I
think
that's
really
going
to
comprehensively
get
us
a
bit
more
focused.
It
might
seem
like
up
front
it's
a
bit
broad.
I
think
that's
ultimately
going
to
get
us
really
refined.
So
so
I
appreciate
that
a
lot
as
this
is
such
a
hard
issue
to
tackle
my
my
question
centers
around
some
of
these
alternate
funding
sources
as
well.
E
I
was
wondering
if,
if
a
reapportionment
of
linkage
fees
is
is,
is
a
method
from
which
to
maybe
apply
more
more
revenue
into
climate
action
as
well
as
since
we
brought
up
the
library
district,
the
thought
of
could
could
this
be
a
worthwhile
thing
to
consider
the
use
of
that
sort
of
10
million
dollars.
The
city
may
then
have
available
to
spend
as
a
product
of
the
library
district.
E
So
I'm
wondering
if
those
sort
of
really
direct
substantive
ways
of
providing
more
resources
and
funding
for
our
climate
work
are
considered
and
sort
of
part
of
that
equation.
Perhaps.
V
To
answer
that
question,
I
would
start
by
saying
we
have
not
considered
those
as
as
alternatives
if,
if
council
wishes,
we
certainly
could
explore
that.
I
would
I'd
be
curious
to
know
you
know
whether
or
not
that's
kind
of
the
the
foundation
or
fundamental
source
of
our
revenue,
or
are
you
thinking
more
peripheral
and
kind
of
ancillary
to
kind
of
support,
the
the
other
work
that
that's
going
on,
and
so
I
guess
what
I'm
asking
is.
V
Are
you
suggesting
that
those
would
replace
the
the
existing
revenue
sources
or
to
supplement
the
existing
revenue
sources.
E
Well,
I
think
it's
maybe
a
question
that
kind
of
maybe
some
of
us
are
asking
more
directly
than
others
and
so
pardon,
if
I'm
not
being
too
direct.
I
guess
it's
just
it's
hard
to
gauge
the
impact
of
maybe
that
5
million,
without
a
full
full
understanding
of
all
that.
Other
supplemental
because
are,
we
is
that
five,
just
just
ten
percent
of
what
we're
really
totally
investing
or
is
it
80
right?
V
B
I
Yeah,
so
just
responding
method's
a
really
intriguing
concept
I
would
probably
want
to
check
in
with
legal.
My
memory
is
that
the
linkage
fees
needed
a
nexus
that
they're
charged
as
a
fee
because
they
go
to
fund
affordable
housing
that
has
a
nexus
to
the
commercial
development.
So
I
could
be
wrong
about
that,
but
we'd
have
to
check
in
on
that
intriguing
idea,
though,.
B
We
can
share
that
at
the
end.
Juni,
do
you
have
a
question
related
to
that
format?
Are
you
just
ready
to
go.
B
Yeah
absolutely
so
the
first
question:
could
we
have
the
that
slide
pulled
up
with
the
questions
on
it?
In
the
meantime,
I
will
read
it.
The
first
question
is:
does
council
support
the
staff
recommendation
for
a
new
climate
tax
that
replaces
the
combination
of
the
current
uot
and
cap
tax
bob?
Are
you
do
you
have
a
question
about
format,
or
are
you
just
really
excited.
AA
I
I
love
this.
I
loved
it
when
staff
presented
the
financial
strategy
committee
last
week,
I'm
fully
supportive
of
this.
I
look
forward
to
to
have
a
discussion
in
may
about
putting
this
on
the
ballot
and
then
voting
to
put
this
on
the
ballot
in
august.
I
love
the
fact
that
taxes
for
residents
will
actually
go
down
slightly,
at
least
under
the
5
million
proposal,
and
that
there's
more
equitable
sharing
with
commercial
and
industrial,
and
that
will
have
more
money
for
climate
action
and
that
will
have
ability
to
bond
against
it.
AA
So
there's
in
my
mind,
there's
nothing
to
hate
about
this
great
job
staff.
The
only
thing
I
would
would
throw
out
there
is
I
I
did
like
my
mark's
idea
of
if
you
guys
are
pulling
to
maybe
pull
it
at
another,
slightly
higher
level
to
see
how
the
how
that
works.
If
the
pulling
on
that
is
bad,
then
we'll
stick
with
the
five
million,
but
if,
if,
if
voters
like
love
the
eight
million
dollar
level,
you
know
why
not
ask
them
that
one
thanks.
B
Okay
and
just
to
be
sort
of
clear
on
our
answers,
I
was
hoping
to
go
one
by
one
through
the
questions,
and
maybe
so
it
sounds
like
bob
is
in
support
of
question
one.
Maybe
we
could
do
since
it's
a
fairly
simple
question
show
of
hands
on
if
we
all
share
that
support
or
not,
and
is
there
someone
who
can
see
everyone's
hands?
I
cannot
currently.
I
B
Q
Mark
I
am
fully
in
support
of
question
two.
I
think
the
extension
of
the
tax
after
2040
makes
eminent
good
sense,
apart
from
the
the
need
for
the
revenue
stream
going
back
continually
to
renew
taxes
that
that
I
believe
the
community
will
fully
support
is
an
expense
of
energy
and
funds
that
I
don't
really
think
is
is
required.
So
that's
my
answer
for
two.
B
C
Nicole,
I
was
just
going
to
try
to
do
a
quick
summary
again.
I
don't
know
if
I
can
be
as
good
as
mark
just
was,
but
it
seems
like
we've
kind
of
got
the
support,
and
you
know
information
that
we
have
to
know
whether
or
not
we
want
to
support
it
so
kind
of
feeling,
like
there's
not
much
here,
that
we
need
to
know,
in
addition
to
support
advancing
a
climate
tax
as
a
2022
ballot
item
other
than
you
know.
What
mark
and
bob
mentioned
about,
pulling
the
the
higher
number.
I
Yeah
well
said,
nicole,
I
agree
and
I'll
just
tuck
one
thing
under
that.
It
just
I'll
add
my
voice
to
those
that
say
that
a
really
broad
and
inclusive
community
outreach
should
be
a
part
of
the
the
process.
I
know
you've
already
committed
to
that,
but
just
throw
it.
Should
I
throw
in
one
more
voice
and
support
thanks.
B
Q
Yeah
and
while
it's
not
relevant
to
my
support
for
this
measure,
I
I
do
think
it
would
be
very
useful
for
this
council
to
get
a
better
understanding
of
what
the
subsequent
sources
of
income
might
look
like.
Where
that
you
know
we're
not
committed
to
anything,
but
just
a
perhaps
a
memo
at
some
point
outlining
where
we
might
go
for
the
next
steps
so
that
we
can
start
thinking
about
it
now,
and
it's
not
a
surprise
later.
K
I
don't
know
exactly
how
this
shakes
out
and
maybe
I'm
just
being
contrarian-
and
I
don't
know
if
you
say
something
bad
about
like
an
energy
tax
is
a
boulder
city
council
member.
Is
there
like
an
elevator
straight
down
to
the
balls
of
the
wherever
we
go,
but
I'm
just
going
to
bring
it
up
like
in
terms
of
polling
at
a
higher
number.
K
I
feel
like
we're
a
little
bit
looking
at
this
in
a
silo,
so
we
are
also
going
to
put
a
library
tax
on
the
ballot
and
if
we
say
how
about
an
extra
17
here
and
have
an
extra
30
there,
and
then
we
got
200
over
here
like
I
don't
know
that
that's
actually
helpful
and
as
we
are
responding
to
the
climate
crisis,
there
is
a
huge
value
in
social
infrastructure
like
for
anyone,
who's
read
palaces
for
the
people.
You
know
you
you,
you
will
actually
your
survival
can
depend
on
some
social
infrastructure.
K
B
I
think
that's
another
great
addition
and
junior.
AB
You
I
I
want
to
thank
rachel
for
her
comment.
I
fully
agree
or
in
support
with
the
sentiment
of
her
comments.
I
do
support
the
tax,
but
I
think
it
goes
back
to
something
that
she
said.
AB
B
Thanks
juni,
and
I
have
one
that
I
would
like
to
add-
you
talked
about
public
engagement,
but-
and
I
think
a
big
part
of
that
is
also
like
communicating
what
is
currently
happening,
maybe
a
little
bit
more
effectively.
Your
team
is
doing
a
lot
of
amazing
things,
but
I
think
one
of
the
issues
is
that
we're
actually
doing
so
much
and
we
get
all
of
it
all
at
once
all
the
time,
and
that
makes
it
much
harder
to
absorb
what
exactly
you
know,
all
the
things
that
you
guys
are
doing.
B
B
But
since
we
all
sort
of
voted
unanimously
on
102,
it
seems
like
we
don't
really
need
to
vote
on
free,
but
I
think
that
there's
been
a
lot
of
great
comments
there
for
you
and
then
question
number
four
does:
council
have
any
guidance
for
staff
related
to
scoping
the
broader
city
role
and
associated
revenue
needs
aaron,
I'm
going
to
take
a
stab
at
this
one.
I
Well,
yeah,
I
just
have
a
thought
on
this
is
similar
to
what
mark
said
a
minute
ago.
Just
I
think,
it'll
be
important
to
both
qualify
and
quantify
the
work
that
the
city
will
be
doing
with
these
increased
revenues.
I
So
you
offered
some
great
examples
of
some
initiatives
that
we're
going
to
be
undertaking,
but,
but
I
think
you
know
when
in
going
to
the
community,
to
ask
for
additional
money,
I
think
it'll
be
important
to
be
pretty
clear
about
what
we'll
get
from
these
additional
funds,
and-
and,
like
I
say
in
terms
of
qualifying,
but
also
emission
reductions
is
one
of
those
three
legs
of
the
stool
right.
But
it's
also
it's
very
important
to
people
and
it's
a
quantifiable
thing
so
like
to
what
extent
will
these
dollars,
you
know,
specifically
reduce
emissions?
I
You
know
in
some
ways
that
we
can
expect
in
terms
of
helping
us
reach
our
goals
and
understanding
that
this
by
itself
will
not
get
us
to
our
final
goals.
But
if
we
can
tell
a
story
and
not
just
a
story
but
give
people
numbers
about
how
this
is
going
to
make
a
significant
contribution
towards
getting
us
to
our
incredibly
important
climate
goals,
I
think
that'll
be
really
important
as
we
go
towards
forming
a
ballot
item
and
going
to
the
election.
This
fall
thanks.
B
E
Kind
of
kind
of
a
small
thing,
but
when,
when
you
showed
20
000
trees
to
me,
that
seemed
like
an
obvious
crowdsourcing
type
thing:
to
engage
the
community
beyond
what
they
pay
on
tax
to
like
who
wants
to
buy
a
tree
right,
and
so
I
mean,
I
think,
there's
some
creative
solutions
beyond
the
tax
and
the
revenue
and
then
the
expenditure
all
within
the
city
conduit,
so
maybe
exploring
partnerships
with
nonprofits
is
you
already
do,
have
some
great
ones,
but
some
of
those
really
other
creative
solutions
that
could
maybe
facilitate
some
of
those
outcomes
and
leverage
the
other
revenue
for
things
that
are
maybe
less
suited
for
those
other
types
of
outreach
and
ways
of
funding.
B
Okay,
does
anyone
have
any
other
comments
that
they
want
to
share
on
this
topic
before
we
move
on
perfect?
Thank
you
so
much
jonathan
marty
and
carolyn
and
brett.
That
was
amazing,
and
we
really
appreciate
all
the
work
you
guys
are
doing
for
our
community.
V
B
I
wanted
to
quickly
remind
everyone
that
we
are
running
this
year
as
a
bit
of
a
pilot
program
and
we
are
working
on
making
some
modifications
both
to
the
interview
process
and
eventually
to
the
broader
boards
and
commissions
framework,
to
make
sure
we
are
able
to
welcome
a
diverse
set
of
voices
and
to
ensure
the
work
of
the
boards
and
members
is
rewarding.
Fulfilling
and
helping
our
city
make
progress
towards
achieving
our
goals.
B
If
anyone
has
any
questions
beyond
the
scope
of
what
we're
discussing
here
tonight,
please
don't
hesitate
to
reach
out
to
me
and
tara
I'd
like
to
kick
it
over
to
you,
john,
for
more
information
on
this
topic.
M
M
M
To
begin,
I
have
a
short
interview.
Timeline
to
go.
M
We
need
to
make
is
that
we
had
some
technical.
M
Okay,
of
course,
are
you
able
to
help
me
with
this
taylor?
Sorry.
AC
No
worries
yeah.
Let
me
just
jump
in
here
being
put
on
the
spot
a
little
bit
but
happy
to
do
what
I
can
to
take
over
so
hi
everyone,
taylor,
ryman
city,
council,
administrator,
so
I'll
go
over
this
timeline,
real,
quick,
the
first
one
I
want
to
point
out
is
the
application
deadline.
AC
There
was
a
bit
of
a
confusion,
the
other
night
about
when
applications
were
due
and
to
sort
of
reconcile
the
confusion
with
some
people
who
did
want
to
get
their
applications
in
and
us
you
know
definitely
wanting
to
give
them
the
opportunity.
We've
extended
the
deadline
for
folks
who
had
some
trouble
to
be
tonight
at
11
59.
AC
So,
following
that,
the
closing
of
that
deadline,
we're
going
to
be
sending
around
interview,
scheduling
polls
this
thursday,
and
we
would
like
to
have
all
the
interview
schedules
confirmed
by
this
coming
monday
and
monday-
is
when
all
of
the
interviews
start
kicking
off
and
they're,
going
to
be
held
over
the
week
of
february
28th
and
I'll
talk
more
a
little
more
about
what
the
interview
process
is
in
the
next
couple
slides.
AC
So
please,
let
me
know
if
you
have
any
conflicts
and
then
on
march
7th,
so
a
week
from
this
coming
monday,
we're
asking
that
council
members
send,
in
their
nominations
to
the
clerk's
office
by
that
day,
at
noon,
and
then
we'll
quickly
turn
around
a
presentation
of
those
nominations.
To
guide
your
discussion
the
next
day
on
march,
8th
about
those
nominations
and
then
at
the
next
meeting
on
march
15th,
those
appointments
will
be
finalized.
AC
So
for
the
interview
procedures
they're
going
to
take
place
during
over
the
course
of
the
week
of
february
28th
and
it's
going
to
take
place
over
zoom,
we'll
be
offering
technical
assistance
to
anybody
who
needs
it
and
we'll
make
sure
to
communicate
that
in
our
interviews
or
in
our
emails
they're
going
to
be
conducted
in
pairs
of
two
council
members
with
one
staff
member
supporting
on
a
facilitation
basis.
We
we
tried
to
source
those
staff
members
from
the
board
the
boards
themselves.
So,
for
example,
the
tab
board
is
going
to
have
the
tab.
AC
The
tab
staff
member
that
supports
that
board
be
there
in
that
interview
to
also
support
the
interview
from
a
facilitation
standpoint
and
those
council
member
repairs
were
determined
on
a
random
basis,
but
really
mostly
driven
by
availability,
they're
going
to
be
projecting
that
they
should
take
about
15
minutes,
but
we're
going
to
a
lot
30
minutes
per
appointment
and
we'll
be
asking
three
questions
of
the
candidate
I'll
get
into
those
questions
in
the
next
slide.
Questions
will
also
be
provided
in
advance
and
technical
assistance
will
be
provided.
AC
I
mentioned
that
so
the
three
questions
that
we
have,
the
first
two
sets
of
questions
the
applicant
gets
to
choose.
There's
an
introductory
question
kind
of
how
are
you
uniquely
qualified
for
this
position
and
what
opportunities
do
you
see
for
this
border
commission
to
advance
other
goals
across
the
city
and
then
questions
that
are
more
related
to
challenges
of
serving
on
a
border
commission
some
one,
that's
related
to
how
to
navigate
quasi-judicial
boards.
AC
What
do
you
think
are
the
ideal
characteristics
of
a
border
commission
member
and
how
do
they
relate
to
your
personal
strengths
and
weaknesses?
Things
like
that
and
then
the
final
question
is
just
going
to
be
a
question
back
to
the
candidate
and
that's
if
they
have
any
questions
to
ask
of
the
interview,
because,
as
we
mentioned,
we
really
wanted
to
make
sure
that
this
was
an
opportunity
for
there
to
be
two-way
dialogue,
and
so
I
wanted
to
to
provide
that
to
the
applicants.
AC
Some
of
them
did
not
meet
the
requirements
and
unfortunately
had
to
be
pulled,
and
then
that's
compared
to
the
number
of
vacancies
that
we
have
again
because
we're
extending
the
deadline
to
tonight,
we
probably
will
have
a
recommendation
of
what
boards
to
extend
recruitment
on,
but,
as
you
can
see
here
from
this
list
right
now,
there
are
a
few:
the
boulder
junction
access
district
transportation
demand
management
and
then
boza
the
board
of
zoning
adjustments
and
the
use
university
hill,
commercial
area
management.
Commission.
They
all
have
zero
at
this
time.
AC
So,
let's
hope
someone
gets
an
application
in
tonight
options
for
extending
recruitment.
There
are
two
of
them.
We
could
keep
the
recruitment
open
for
boards
with
vacancies
and
allow
the
board
and
commission
committee
to
process
applications
and
interview
and
make
recommendations
to
council.
This
is
how
we
approached
it
last
year.
I
believe,
and
then
the
second
option
is
to
conduct
a
mid-year
recruitment
in
the
fall
of
2022
for
any
vacancies
that
we
have.
AC
So
with
that,
I
will
turn
it
back
to
council
and
also
I
want
to
give
an
opportunity
pam
for
you
to
jump
in
if
there's
anything
that
I
missed
or
john,
if
you're,
not
if
you're
able
to
talk
without
trouble,.
B
And
can
I
just
clarify
something
real
quick:
can
we
go
back
to
the
questions
page
of
the
for
the
applicants
so
just
to
make
sure
that
everyone
understand
this
stands
this
that
the
applicant
gets
to
pick
one
of
the
introduction
questions,
and
then
they
would
get
to
pick
one
of
the
questions
from
the
second
set
anyway,
so
that
they
they
get
a
little
bit
of
a
choice
in
what
they're
answering.
But
that
will
get
some
variety
in
the
type
of
question
that
they're
answering.
AC
When
we
talked
about
it,
we
think
that
it's
going
to
take
probably
about
15
minutes
for
the
interviews
to
happen.
But
a
lot
in
30
minutes
just
offers
a
little
bit
of
wiggle
room
between
trying
to
get
onto
the
zoom
and
then
off
of
the
zoom
and
any
sort
of
file
breaks,
and
things
like
that.
Z
AC
AA
It's
just
a
comment,
and
then
a
question
comment
is:
I
know:
there's
been
some,
maybe
distress
about
the
number
of
applications
that
have
come
in.
I
would
say
that,
based
upon
my
six
or
seven
years
of
experience,
doing
this
and
aaron
could
probably
concur.
This
is
about
average.
We
usually
get
about
100
applications.
We
I
think
we
were
at
94
as
of
this
morning,
we'll
see
where
we
end
up
the
night
at
my
guess
is
we'll
be
right
around
100
and
we
usually
typically
have
two
or
three
or
four
boards
where
no
one
applies.
AA
That's
just
that's
just
kind
of
the
state
of
affairs
and
unfortunately,
it's
almost
always
the
same
two
or
three
or
four
boards,
pg
ad
and
some
other
ones
that
maybe
are
a
little
bit
less
sexy.
So
I
I
would
say
that
people
should
feel
good
about
the
process.
It's
working.
The
way
it
has
historically,
we've
got
for
a
lot
of
these
boards.
We
have
lots
and
lots
of,
I
think
one
we
had
12
12
applicants.
AA
We
only
had
13
applicants
on
so
we're
gonna
have
a
lot
of
people
to
choose
from,
but
even
those
that
have
three
or
four
applicants
that
invariably
are
good
applicants.
So
I
think
we're
in
a
good
good
position
here
and
council
can
decide
whether
he
wants
one
on
extend
now.
The
two
or
three
boards
they've
got
no
applications
or
we're
going
to
reopen
it
in
the
summertime.
That
that'll
be
a
decision
for
later.
I
did
have
a
question
taylor
on.
AA
I
want
to
make
sure
I
understood
the
march
8th
march
15th
interplay,
so
we're
all
gonna
two
by
two
gonna
be
interviewing
these
candidates
and
then,
on
march,
8th.
I
think
you
said
you
wanted
or
march
7th.
You
wanted
us
to
submit
to
the
clerk's
office.
AA
Our
nominations,
two
questions
on
that
one
is,
do
you
want
those
be
on
hotline
or
do
you
want
them
just
to
be
sent
by
email
directly
to
alicia,
and
then
the
second
is:
do
the
the
council
pairings
that
are
doing
the
interviews
need
to
come
to
agreement
on
their
nominations?
Or
do
you
want
individual
nominations?.
B
Well,
so
I
thought
we
had
a
time
in
a
council
meeting,
but
we
are,
according
to
cac
this
morning,
very
stretched
on
time
in
our
council
meetings
coming
up,
and
if
it
people
were
okay
with
maybe
doing
their
list
of
nominations
through
a
hotline
post,
we
could
maybe
speed
up
the
portion
of
that
meeting
it.
Might
it
wouldn't
have
to
be
mandatory,
but
it
could
be
optional.
P
R
Perspective
part
of
the
ask
in
receiving
those
names
on
march
7th
is
for
those
of
you
who
have
been
part
of
this
process
before
the
clerk's
office
sort
of
presents
an
intricate
series
of
slides
that
really
show
sort
of
who
the
applicants
are,
who
the
narrowed
nominees
are,
and
it
just
helps
with
honestly
the
visualization
for
the
discussion
that
takes
place
on
march
8th,
and
so
I
think
the
ask
is
like
we
do
when
we
solicit
retreat
homework
or
other
things
to
be
able
to
receive
that
ahead
of
time.
R
But
then
present
a
consolidated
view
of
what
we've
heard
from
council.
So
that
then
the
will
of
counsel
is
really
sort
of
reassessing.
Based
on
that
input
who
to
ultimately
select.
So
that's
sort
of
why
the
ask
the
day
before,
just
to
prep
us
for
an
efficient
conversation
on
the
eighth.
AA
That's
great
pam,
and
so
then
so
still
two
questions
though
one
do
you
want
that
to
be
on
hotline
or
just
sent
to
the
staff.
R
So
I,
and
with
the
absence
of
alicia,
I
defer
to
lauren
and
tara
and
teresa,
I
think
it
can
go
either
way,
just
whether
you'd
like
to
individually
recognize
that
ahead
of
time
by
email
or
if
you
just
prefer
to
have
the
open
discussion
and
a
chance
to
explain
yourselves
live
in
the
meeting,
we
can
certainly
consolidate
it
either
way.
We.
AA
Should
probably
pick
one
or
the
other
and
just
have
us
all,
do
the
same
thing
and
then
the
second
is
is,
do
you
need?
Is
this?
Are
these
nominations
or
recommendations?
Suppose
so
so,
let's
say
lauren
and
I
are
paired
and
we
interview
six
people.
Do
we
have
to
come
to
agreement
as
to
the
one
or
two
people
gonna
nominate,
or
we
just
each
individually
nominate
somebody.
B
You
are
responsible
individually
for
watching
all
of
them
and
making
nominations
based
off
of
your
watching
of
the
of
all
of
the.
B
You
don't
have
to
nominate
someone
for
every
board
or
commission,
but
you
know
like
typical:
we
leave
that
up
to
each
council
person.
K
K
Well,
because
I
often
if
bob
nominates
someone,
I
won't
then
nominate
the
same
person,
I
may
I
may
nominate
someone
else,
but
if
we
do
it
at
a
council
meeting,
we
know
you
know
someone
makes
a
nomination.
Then
you
take
note
of
that
and
nominate
someone
else
or
don't
it's
my
thought.
Z
K
K
If
it's
to
me,
I
don't
know
if
it
is,
I
would
say
that
it.
If
we
didn't
put
a
limit
on
the
characters,
they
could
get
very
verbose
like
if
we're
supposed
to
do.
You
know
when
you
nominate
someone
in
a
meeting
you
give
sort
of
a
pitch
and
that
you
know
these
could
be
pages
long.
I
would
imagine
if,
if
you've
got
a,
you
know
a
real
love
of
a
candidate,
I
don't
know
so,
maybe
maybe
that
would
be
the
downside
or
we
could
put
a
limit
on
it.
Z
Well,
I
guess
I
guess
doing
a
hotline
in
advance.
I
would
feel
bad
if
I
nominated
one
person
and
not
another,
and
then
do
we
get
letters
that
night
like.
Why
didn't
you
nominate
me?
I'm
just
saying
we
never
did
that
in
the
past.
So
that
would
be
something
really
different.
I
wouldn't
mind
having
a
short
discussion.
Z
B
Okay,
I'm
gonna
keep
going
with
the
hands
that
are
up,
but
maybe
people
can
address
that
with
other
comments
that
they
have
juni.
AB
AB
AB
AC
Yeah,
so
the
intention
is
to
send
out
a
scheduling
poll
and
once
folks
select
which
time
slots
that
they
would
like
to
take
in
the
interview
blocks
that
we've
pre-set
we'd
send
a
confirmation,
email
with
the
zoom
links
and
then
the
zoom
link
in
that
confirmation.
Email
we'd
include
those
questions
for
them
to
consider.
D
AB
R
Year,
thanks
for
that
juni,
so
our
outreach
approach
and
we've
been
making
incremental
improvements
to
this.
But
actually
in
april,
we're
coming
to
you,
as
you
know,
with
an
hour-long
process,
discussion
on
board
and
commission
and
increasing
inclusivity
and
equity
in
the
process.
But
for
now
it's
sort
of
a
hybrid.
We
have
a
city-wide
communications
approach
and
then
each
specific
department
and
board
and
commission
support
team
sort
of
conducts
their
own
approach
to
the
recruitment,
and
so
you
may
have
seen
over
the
past
couple
of
months.
Certainly
general
press
releases.
R
The
city
sends
announcements
about
board
and
commissions
via
council
meetings,
social
media,
that
sort
of
thing
we
have
lots
and
lots
of
lists
of
partner
organizations
and
other
community
contacts
through
sort
of
past
task
forces
and
other
other
relationships
that
we
use
and
then
each
board
and
commission
has
taken
different
approaches.
So
I
know
most
recently.
R
One
example
is
the
human
relations
commission
conducted
sort
of
a
more
of
a
webinar
style
info
session
about
their
board
and
commission
as
part
of
a
recruitment
tool
to
get
folks
to
apply,
and
there
are
other
examples
of
departments
doing
specific
things.
Part
of
our
long-term
vision
for
how
we
recruit
and
share
this
information
will
be
to
set
sort
of
a
higher
city
standard
and
a
unexpected
approach
for
all
boards
and
commissions
and
be
able
to
provide
additional,
centralized
support
to
enhance
those
recruitment
activities.
R
AB
Okay,
no
thank
you
for
that,
and
I
think
one
question
I
would
like
to
answer
that
you
talked
to
us
earlier
was
whether
to
keep
the
board
the
recruitment
open
up.
I
think
in
my
views
I
would
definitely
support
keeping
it
open
until
instead
of
waiting
until
the
summer
time.
AB
I
don't
know
what
would
be
the
impact
on
some
of
the
boards
with
the
vacancies,
so
I
think
it
might
be
useful
to
keep
it
open
until
maybe,
if
it's
not
too
much
for
staff,
maybe
just
you
know
the
day
before
or
couple
of
days
before
we
start
interviewing
just
to
give
people
more
opportunities
to
apply,
and
I
have
to
tell
you
I
went
to
an
event
over
the
weekend
and
I've
met
community
members,
and
you
know
we
just
end
up
talking
about
boards
and
commissions,
and
some
didn't
did
not
know
that
there
was
a
recruitment
process
at
this
time
and
and
I've
reached
out
to
you
pam,
you
know
as
well,
so
I
think
maybe
just
keeping
it
open
so
that
we
can
give
more
opportunities
to
community
members.
AB
I'm
sure
you
do
outreach,
for
instance,
on
social
media
as
well.
Maybe
that
might
be
something
to
keep
pushing
until
we
get
more
of
community
members
involved.
So
thank
you.
I
All
right,
I've
got
a
few
things
here,
thanks
everybody
for
your
work
on
setting
this
up,
so
one
of
them
is
just
in
terms
of
the
questions
I
saw.
There
was
one
like
optional
thing
that
dealt
with
the
board
specific
topic.
I
would
really
like
to
see
a
required
question
about
the
board
specific
topic.
I
I
think
it's
really
important
to
get
a
sense
of
how
they
think
about
the
the
board's
work.
So
I'm
I'm
open
to
what
those
questions
might
be.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
like
you
know.
Sometimes
people
choose
like
a
really
politically
sensitive
thing
for
planning
or
open
space.
We
don't
have
to
do
that,
but
but
just
something
substantive
about
the
work
of
the
board.
I
think
it's
really
important
to
hear
hear
what
they
think
about
that.
So
is
that
doable
I
saw
some
a
fair
amount
of
nodding,
heads
or
thumbs
up
or
something.
B
Pam,
I
think
we
kind
of
discussed
this
one.
Would
you
like
to
sort
of
answer
that
from
the
staff
side
about,
because
I
think
this
is
sort
of
question
number
three
in
this
second
set
of
questions.
R
Yeah,
so
we
can.
We
can
certainly
approach
that
I
think
the
so
in
the
past.
You
know
we've
done
sort
of
the
mass
interviews
with
very
consistent
questions
across
the
board.
This
is
an
incremental
step
toward
getting
a
little
more
specific.
There
will
be
individuals
who
staff
each
of
these
boards
present
in
the
interview.
R
So
I
think,
from
the
perspective
of
having
kind
of
a
listening,
ear
and
a
subject
matter
expert,
we
can
certainly
accommodate
that,
so
that
would
really,
if
council
directs
us
to
head
in
that
direction,
we
could
certainly
reconnect
with
our
specific
board
and
commission
liaisons
and
sort
of
get
something
prepared.
This
week.
I
Thanks,
I
know
that's
additional
work
and
I
mean
I'm.
Certainly
a
council
could
support
that,
like
the
council.
Members
involved
with
the
different
board
interviews
could
suggest
questions,
for
example
like
happy
to
help
with
that
work.
I
just
I
do
feel
like
it
would
be
important,
so
so
I'll
leave
that
out
there.
I
The
next
one
is,
I'm
I'm
really
concerned
about
the
the
time
involved
in
in
terms
of
the
number
of
people
and
the
slots
here,
I'm
not
sure
exactly
how
the
math
works
out,
but
if
they're,
if
they're
100
applicants
and
that
we're
part
of
teams
of
two,
then
we
have
to
interview
roughly
20,
maybe
low
20s
each.
If
those
are
30
minute
slots,
that's
10
hours
of
our
individual
interviews.
I
I'd
really
I'd
really
like
to
see
if
we
could
maybe
make
the
time
slots
20
minutes.
So
you
know
allow
for
a
little
wiggle
room
in
there,
but
but
not
the
full
half
hour
that
you're
saying
and
then
within
those
interviews.
If
we
can
be
really
disciplined
about
like
when
we
start
the
recording-
and
we
talked
about
this
before
but
like
really
start
the
recording.
I
Only
when
we
hit
the
real
questions
and
then
stop
it
as
soon
as
the
questions
are
over
and
then
try
to
be
really
disciplined
about
the
amount
of
time
in
there,
because
at
10
minutes
even
of
recorded
time,
that's
a
100
hours.
That's
like
16
hours
of
recordings
and
it's
you
know
a
very
a
heavy
lift.
So
I
just
think
we
need
to
be
really
careful
about
being
disciplined
about
the
time
involved
in
these
and
and
then
sorry
rachel.
I
saw
you
needed.
K
I
would
hope
for,
given
that
one
of
our
goals
was
to
reduce
the
the
time
burdens
on.
I
think
all
of
those
parties,
and-
and
I
think
you
know
the
goal
was
never
to
have
like
chit
chat
lingering
interviews.
It
was
like
you
have
60
seconds
to
tell
us
your
you
know
who
you
are
and
then
two
minutes
to
answer
each
question.
So
each
person's
interview
should
be
around
five
minutes
of
speaking
time.
Plus,
you
know
maybe
a
minute
asking
each
question
so
in
theory
they
should
just
be
10
minutes.
K
I
I
Otherwise,
and
the
danger
is
that
you
run
out
of
time
and
you
can't
listen
to
all
of
them
and
then
we're
not
informed
and
then
just
my
last
thing
was,
I
agree
with
juni
about
holding
open
the
recruiting
period
for
the
boards
that
don't
get
enough
applicants,
for
you
know
a
few
weeks
see
if
we
can
get
them
more
or
less
in
this
cycle.
R
Lauren,
may
I
just
clarify
the
direction
on
keeping
applications
open?
Is
it
the
case
that
you
would
like
us
to
keep
applications
open,
whose
current
number
of
applicants
is
less
than
the
available
seats?
Is
that
the
criteria
I
just
want
to
ensure
that
we
can
move
forward
with
any
board
that
has
sufficient
applicants
just
given
the
tight
timeline
that
we're
on
okay?
Thank
you.
I
E
E
So
thank
you
for
all
the
hard
work
that
you
put
in
to
get
us
to
this
point,
aaron
sort
of
led
off
with
the
question
I
was
going
to
ask
and-
and
I
put
a
thumbs
up-
and
I
I
just
want
to
echo
his
point
about
having
a
topically
specific
question.
I
think
that's
absolutely
just
like
a
fundamental
for
us
to
have
to
get
through
I'm
happy
to
help
even
procure
them
for
the
for
the
interviews
that
I'm
a
part
of
to
help
give
staff
a
break.
E
But
I
think
that
that's
really
really
important
for
us
to
to
be
able
to
ask
those
topically
specific
questions.
I
think
that's
just
vital
to
suss
out
who's
who's
been
doing
the
work
and
who's
prepared
and
maybe
who's.
Not
so
so
I
like
that
a
lot.
E
I
know
that's
a
little
tough
for
maybe
the
applicants,
but
we're
in
a
really
weird
state
here
not
doing
this
in
person
where
in
past
you
could
flush
right
through
them
all
in
in
in
short
succession.
So
I
think
there
might
be
a
way
that
we
we
have
to
just
entrust
each
other
to
consider
what
those
nominations
are
and
be
what
it
may.
And
then
you
move
forward
on
on
making
that
trust
and
making
a
decision
based
on
those
nominations.
Q
Yeah,
I
want
to
express
my
total
agreement
with
both
matt
and
aaron
on
this.
It's
absolutely
critical
to
have
some
understanding
of
the
applicant's
competency
with
the
subject
matter,
that
of
the
board
they're
applying
to.
I
was
going
to
make
a
comment
that
seemed
to
me
that
most
of
these
questions
were
a
little
fluffy
and
process
oriented.
Q
I
have
no
problem
letting
them
see
it
in
advance,
even
making
some
choices,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
they
they
don't
have
to
agree
with
me,
but
they
need
to
understand
and
be
competent
in
the
field
in
which
they're
operating-
and
you
know
I
recall
both
to
somebody
who
grilled
applicants
and
somebody
who
was
an
applicant.
I
got
a
lot
of
pretty
direct
questions
and
they
were
challenging
and
I
don't
you
know,
I
think,
that's
important
for
us
to
understand
who
we're
dealing
with
and
separating.
You
know
one
from
the
other.
Q
So
you
know
count
my
vote
along
with
matt
and
and
aaron
for
some
substance.
Z
Can
I
say
before
a
few
things
before
we're
done
with
this?
Do
you
want
to
call
aquitara?
I
don't
even
know
what
that
word
means.
I'm
going
to
be
honest.
Z
I
know
so
so
taylor.
I
think
we
discussed,
and
I
don't
know
what
point
we
miss
this.
I
think
some
people
are
getting
more
work
and
bigger
lifts
than
other
people
are
so
are.
I
know
that
time
was
important
and
like
what
people
you
can
fit
into
what
schedules,
but
if
people
are
getting
like
two
of
the
big
boards,
let's
say
who
has
the
most
like
parks
and
what's
the
other
one
has
the
most
I'll
make
it
up?
Yeah.
Z
That
isn't
fair
to
those
people,
and
I
didn't
get
as
many
because
I
have
like
way
less
people
on
my
list.
Somehow
the
way
this
was
divided
is
falling
too
heavily
on
some
people
and,
for
instance,
not
on
me,
which
I
feel
terrible
about.
This
was
partially
my
idea.
That's
the
first
thing
I
want
to
say.
I
know
this
is
the
last
minute,
but
it
maybe
we
can't
have
people
do
all
the
same
board.
Z
I
know
we
have
to
I
get
we
have
to,
but
somehow
something
got
messed
up
over
here
might
as
well
just
say
it.
I
don't
know
if
it's
too
late
to
fix,
but
maybe
it
is
not
too
late
to
fix
that
nobody
should
gets
all
the
long
hard
boards
with
the
most
applicants.
Let's
just
say
the
second
thing
is,
is
I
agree
that
we
need
to
keep
it
short?
I
agree
with
everybody.
We
always
meant
to
keep
it
short.
Z
I
don't
know
how
it
got
to
30
minutes
and
I
actually
agree
with
everything
everybody
said.
So
I
think
we're
all.
On
the
same
page,
the
the
hard
thing
about
those
questions
is.
Is
we
didn't
have
a
huge
amount
of
time?
Oh
staff
didn't
feel
like
they
had
enough
time
to
work
on
those
individual
questions,
but
if
everybody
feels
so
strongly,
I'm
wondering
if
one
of
those
questions
might
not
be
fluffy.
I
like
that
word
fluffy
mark.
Is
it
too
is
the
question?
Maybe
something
like?
Z
Why
do
you
feel
like
you
are
not
competent,
you're,
okay,
confident
enough
to
be
on
this
board?
Is
that
too
fluffy.
Q
Well,
a
little
bit.
My
main
concern
is
that
somebody
understands
the
issues
they're
going
to
be
dealing
with
whether
they
agree
with
me
or
I
agree
with
them-
is
not
as
important
as
that.
They
have
confidence
to
understand
what
it's
open
space.
What
are
the
things
that
are
that
are
that
open
space
is
dealing
with.
What
are
the
challenges?
What
you
know,
where
is
their
funding
coming
from?
You
need
to
understand
that.
Z
Q
All
right
I
look
to
see
and
and
how
somebody
presents
their
competence
as
well
as
how
well
they
write
it
and
whether
they
have
a
working
facility
with
the
issues
that
they're
going
to
be
grappling
with.
You
know
it's
it's
much
easier
to
simply
write
a
paragraph,
but
to
be
able
to
show
a
grasp
of
what
you're.
B
And
I
I
would
posit
mark
that
you
know
in
questions
that
leave
a
lot
of
room.
People
actually
have
a
lot
of
room
to
express
their
qualifications
and
their
understandings
of
those
boards
and
commissions,
and
why
you
know
about
the
work?
That's
being
done,
I'm
totally,
I
would
support
you
know
trying
to
have
a
specific
question
for
each
board
or
commission,
but
again,
like
tara,
mentioned.
B
AB
And
if
we're
I
understand,
you
know
this
idea
of
comprehension.
But
what
does
that
really
mean?
At
the
end
of
the
day,
people
know
how
to
read.
People
know
how
to
write
what
what
is
it
you're
asking,
because
if
the
person
has
a
love
for
art
or
they
are
an
artist,
they
may
not
understand
processes
you
know,
can
they
still
get
on
a
board?
So
I
think,
maybe,
if
we're
really
thinking
about
a
question
that
is
geared
toward
that
specific
board,
we
don't
want
it
to
somehow.
AB
How
do
I
put?
It
gives
more
more
leverage
to
someone
who
understand
the
city
process
or
who's
been
on
city
boards
within
the
city
council
or
within
the
city
of
boulder
itself.
So
I
think
that's
something
that
we
have
to
think
about,
and
I
think
I
wanted
to
make
a
comment
about.
Tara's
comment:
if
something
is
not
broke,
please
don't
fix
it.
I
am
happy
with
the
board
that
you
gave
me
and
something
tells
me
that
bob
is
probably
very
happy
with
all
the
work
that
he's
doing.
B
I
It
aaron
thanks
so
jenny.
I
think
that's
a
good
point
and
when
I
say
it's
that
there
should
be
something
substantive
about
the
board's
work.
It's
not
really
specific
about
the
exactly
what
the
board's
been
doing
like
in
the
last
six
months.
Like
say,
arts,
for
example.
Instead
of
saying
like
what
do
you
think
has
gone
right
or
wrong
with
how
they
granted
the
last
set
of
arts
grants?
I
I
wouldn't
say
that
kind
of
question
instead
something
more
to
the
point
of
like
how
do
you
see
the
role
of
art
between
municipal
government
and
a
community
like
the
city
of
boulder?
You
know
something
that's
actually
about
art,
but
that's
general
and
that
anyone
could
answer,
and
so
that's
not
a
barrier
for
people
who
haven't
been
following
super
super
closely.
But
but
I
want
them
to
have
opinions
about
art
if
they're
applying
to
the
art
board.
B
I
think
that
sounds
reasonable
pam.
Do
you
think
that
that's
something
we
could
strive
towards
having
one
of
those
questions
for
every
board.
B
Perfect,
nicole.
C
All
right,
let
me
try
to
go
through
this
quickly,
first
of
all,
15
minute
time
slots.
Yes,
absolutely
good
with
that.
I
do
think
it
would
be
a
good
idea
to
hold
the
boards
that
haven't
had
any
applicants
or
not
enough
open
for
a
little
bit
longer
see
if
we
can
drum
up
some
more
support
with
that.
C
So
one
of
the
things
I
was
a
little
bit
confused
on,
I
think,
when
you
initially
were
talking
about
this
tara,
lauren
pam,
the
idea
was
that
the
two
people
who
were
going
to
be
kind
of
facilitating
or
leading
the
interviews
were
going
to
be
proposing
who
they,
you
know,
thought
right.
C
If
they
come
come
to
consensus
awesome,
if
not
right,
then
they're
they're
each
posing
another
person
for
any
boards
that
we
are
particularly
passionate
about
that
we're
not
part
of
the
interview
process,
for
we
can
go
and
watch
those
interviews
and
then
we'll
kind
of
talk
about
folks
at
that
point,
but
I
think
you
know
to
somebody
mentioned
that
this
idea
of
just
trusting
trusting
each
other
right,
so
we
got
a
lot
of
people
to
assign
to
boards
here.
C
So
I
just
I
wanted
to
bring
that
back
up,
because
I
I
actually
really
liked
that
idea.
I
think
you
know,
with
some
of
the
things
around
the
questions
and
the
process
and
how
we're
going
to
do
this.
I
you
know
with
the
somebody
mentioned
rescheduling
or
reallocating
some
of
the
interviews.
What
I
heard
taylor
say
earlier
was
that
this
was
the
the
hardest
scheduling
that
she's
ever
done.
Getting
to
this
point,
it's
you
know
it's
10
30.
C
What
I
would
love
for
us
to
just
do
is
to
just
try
this
process
that
lauren
and
pam
and
tara
came
up
with,
and
you
know
if
we
we
can
do
a
debrief
afterwards,
and
you
know
put
in
some
things
about
what
we
think
you
know
could
have
been
better
or
what
we
would
change
for
next
year.
But
this
is
kind
of
a
new
process
and
my
preference
at
least
rather
than
kind
of
picking
out
little
pieces
of
it
and
trying
to
change.
Z
C
And
maybe
that's
just
a
question:
does
anybody
feel
like
they?
You
know
if
anybody
feels
like
they
have
too
much
for
what
they
can
do
next
week?
Maybe
we
could
just
let
taylor
know
that
and
then
just
that
that
person
could
kind
of
change
rather
than
trying
to
you
know,
think
about
allocating
I've
already
got
everything
blocked
on
my
calendar.
I
can
be
good
for
next
week.
R
And
I
think
we
can
so
the
team
the
the
smaller
staff
scene
is
convening
tomorrow
morning
we
understood
we'd,
probably
have
some
last-minute
adjustments
to
make
so
we'll
do
rebalancing.
You
know
we
got
twice
as
many
applications
over
the
weekend
after
we
had
sent
out
initial
schedules.
So
that's
part
of
what
we're
dealing
with
so
that
group.
That's
meeting
at
8
30
tomorrow,
fresh
off
this
meeting.
We
will
take
a
look
at
that
and
follow
up.
Z
Z
I
found
that
mute
button
good
for
me.
Wait
just!
Let
me
think
real
quick.
Just
give
me
one
second,
to
think.
Did
we
decide
on
that
hotline
question.
I
See
what
you
all
think
yeah.
I
But
I
will
say
the
one
problem
with
us
all:
putting
it
on
the
hotline
is
that
then
the
order
matters
right
like
you
may
wait
to
see
who
says
what
which
is
a
little
tricky
like,
but
it
might
be
better
than
than
us
all
sending
it
in
blind
and
then
missing
some
good
candidates,
because
if
all
nine
of
us
nominate
the
same
person
and
and
there
was
another
candidate
that
might
have
been
great
anyway,
you
probably
would
have
won.
But
it's
good
to
have
the
discussion.
I
You
could
always
do
multiple
if
they're
I
just
would.
I
would
just
recommend,
not
editing
previous
ones
if
you're,
like
you
know
what
I
I
didn't
mean
to
actually,
I
think,
was
terrible.
I
think
sue
is
the
best
person.
I
wouldn't
recommend
doing
that.
But
if
you
wanted
to
add
another
board,
maybe
whatever
just
a
thought.
K
It
will
be
a
little
bit
better
than
when
we
do
it
in
real
time.
Tara,
for
what
it's
worth
like
it's
harder
to
keep
up
with,
like
you
know,
you've
got
these
little
check
cheeks
and
that's
what
pam's
trying
to
put
together
ahead
of
time
is
like
we
can
visualize
it,
because
it
is
hard
in
real
time
to
to
keep
up.
So
it's
a
little
bit
better.
This
way,
I
think
yeah.
B
AB
AB
I
my
understanding
last
year
when
we
did
the
processes,
the
you
know,
the
appointment
process.
If
someone
didn't
get
on
one
board,
let's
say
they
apply
to
multiple
boards.
If
they
didn't
get
on
one
sometimes
which
we
did
last
year.
I
remember
me
mark
and
rachel
we
were
advocating
for
a
specific
candidate,
because
that
candidate
came
multiple
time
and
then
they
didn't
get
on
the
first
couple
of
boards.
So
I'm
wondering
with
this
nominating
and
on
hotline,
can
the
person
still
get
a
second
chance,
I'm
just
not
sure
how
would
that
work?
R
Want
me
to
be
your
wingman
on
this
one:
lauren
that'd
be
great
pam,
yeah,
no
problem.
So
on
this
particular
question,
so
the
idea
of
the
nominations
was
really
to
get
a
head
start.
Like
I
said
on
creating
that
visual,
the
council
deliberation
is
where
the
magic
happens
and
where
council
will
reach
consensus
on
the
individual
and
it's
not
actually
codified
until
march
15th
on
consent
when
those
choices
have
been
made.
So
really
I
mean
you
have
a
couple
places
in
which
to
to
discuss,
and
so
you
know
my
feedback
is
really.
R
I
think
you
do
the
best
you
can.
If
you
find
a
lot
of,
you
are
nominating
the
same
person.
I
think
it
points
to
a
clear,
a
clear
vote.
That's
ahead
of
you,
rather
than
seeing
that
as
neces,
you
know
it's
sort
of
when
we
interview
candidates
for
a
job.
R
If
everyone
on
the
panel
is
in
really
strong
agreement
of
who
had
the
best
interview,
we
see
that
as
a
a
really
good
thing
and
a
clear
choice,
and
so
I
would
kind
of
think
of
it
that
way,
and
so,
when
we
get
to
that
march,
8th,
if
you
have
since
in
the
24
hours
since
you
submitted
your
hotline
post,
had
the
opportunity
to
watch
more
videos
or
deliberate
more
and
you
want
to
raise
something
we
can
adjust
based
on
the
will
of
counsel
during
that
discussion.
So
it's
really.
AB
Thank
you,
and
also
I'm
thinking
just
for
process
purposes.
All
of
us
all
nine
of
us
could
potentially
nominate
somebody
and
it's
likely
to
nominate
somebody
and
you're
thinking.
Okay,
we
should
it
be
I'm
thinking
to
see
who
nominates,
who
on
which
board
would
it
be
helpful
to
have
let's
say
time
slots
like
nominations,
for
this
particular
board
has
to
go
on
hotline
by
let's
say
nine
o'clock
in
the
morning
and
the
next
one
at
10
o'clock
and
the
next
one
at
11,
so
that
at
least
you
can
tell
okay.
AB
B
B
I
think
that
we
can
and
we
can
kind
of
like
roll
with
it
in
the
meeting
where
we
sort
of
discuss
who's
being
nominated.
If
we
realize
that
we
forgot,
you
know,
somebody
comes
up
as
seemingly
forgotten.
I
think
that
we
could
add
them.
AB
I
just
have
a
final
thought
and
then
I'll
not
be
talking
about
this
any
further.
I
think
I
do
see
your
point
and
and
you're
right
we're
over
at
least
I'm
thinking
it
maybe
a
little
bit
too
much,
but
I
was
just
thinking
as
well.
If
we
nominate
more
than
one
person
someone
for
multiple
boards,
they
can
only
be
appointed
to
one
right,
but
if
you
don't,
if
we
don't
think
this
through,
we
can
still
have
like
I.
AB
Z
B
I
Yes,
aaron
yeah
yeah,
so
I
I
thought
nicole
had
a
great
point
earlier
about,
let's,
let's
let
it
run,
I
I
think
we
do
need
some
clarification
on
this
on
some
of
these
points,
because
it's
gonna
have
to
work
one
way
or
another,
but
maybe
we
could
ask
lauren
and
tara
to
kind
of
take
the
conversation
from
tonight
and
fill
in
a
few
details
about
how
they
propose
it
and
go
from
here,
because
because
I
I
trust
you
all
to
put
together
something
to
finalize
it.
B
Okay,
thanks
erin,
I'm
gonna
do
kind
of
a
quick
summary
of
what
I
think
we're
doing
just
to
maybe
you
could
nod
happily
so
we're
going
to
add
a
topic
specific
question:
we're
going
to
try
and
keep
the
interviews
to
15
minutes
or
the
time
slots
to
15
minutes.
The
interviews
to
10
we'll
do
timers
and
amounts
of
time
for
each
question.
B
And
if
anyone
requests
a
rebalancing
of
their
schedule,
because
they're
slotted
for
too
many
interviews
they're
going
to
make
that
request,
ideally
before
8
30
tomorrow
morning,
I
would
also
like
to
suggest
that
when
we
send
out
the
notification
to
people
who
have
applied
specifically
to
boards
that
have
a
lot
of
applications,
maybe
there
could
be
a
sentence
in
there
about
boards
that
still
need
applicants
that
we're
holding
open
to
encourage
people
if
they
don't
get
appointed
to
that
board.
To
consider
applying
for
a
board
that
still
needs
applicants.
E
Did
you
say
the
point
about
substantive
questions
in
yes
and
a
topically
specific
question
awesome
thank.