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Good
evening,
everyone
and
welcome
to
tonight's
study
session
of
the
Boulder
City
Council
I'm
council,
member
folkerts
and
I
wanted
to
start
by
thanking
everyone
who's
joining
us
tonight.
We
have
two
items
for
tonight's
agenda.
Our
first
item
will
be
a
discussion
regarding
the
impacts
of
methamphetamine
in
our
community
and
our
second
and
final
item
will
be
a
policy
discussion
related
to
gas-powered
landscaping
equipment.
B
I
wanted
to
start
by
letting
everyone
know
that
for
our
first
item,
Boulder
County
Public,
Health
Representatives
have
been
kind
enough
to
stick
with
us
for
the
90
minutes
that
were
scheduled
for
this
discussion
on
this
first
topic,
so
they'll
present
and
then
we'll
have
time
for
questions
specifically
related
to
the
presentation,
we'll
have
other
staff
presentations
and
then,
at
the
end,
we'll
have
time
for
a
full
Council
discussion
with
staff
and
Boulder
County
Public
Health.
C
Thanks
so
much
Lauren
or
council
member
folkerts,
and
just
appreciate
some
Grace
if,
for
some
reason,
my
internet
comes
out
cuts
out
because
I'm
in
a
new
location
wanted
to
First
just
talk
about.
This
is
an
interesting
study
session,
because
or
this
portion
of
the
study
session
is
interesting,
we
do
not,
as
staff
have
a
particular
question.
We
don't
need
direction.
This
is
one
of
those
study
sessions
that,
when
we
were
talking
at
the
midterm,
check-in
was
kind
of
under
that
vein.
C
Of
what
other
things
do
we
want
to
have
a
discussion
about
and
whatnot,
and
it
really
came
about
even
before
then,
when
we
had
the
incident
at
the
Boulder,
Public
Library
and
had
to
think
about
mitigation,
and
we
had
a
closure
due
to
meth
in
the
buildings
and
exposure.
I
will
say
that,
as
we
talk
about
it,
the
requests
came
in
initially
about
what
are
we
seeing?
What
are
the
impacts?
C
That
staff
is
seeing
right
as
we
move
forward
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
realized
quickly
as
we
were
dealing
with
the
issue
and
at
the
end
of
the
year,
was
that
we
don't,
as
staff,
have
all
the
answers
and
we
rely
on
some
amazing
Partners
in
Boulder
County
Public
Health,
and
they
really
helped
guide
us
as
we
thought
about
thinking
through
mitigation
remediation.
What
comes
next?
C
What
do
we
need
to
do,
and
it's
those
very
steps
that
so
many
in
community
were
asking
us,
as
we
were,
trying
to
figure
out
and
maneuver
through
a
topic
that
is
complex
and
a
concerning
environment
for
all
in
our
community
as
we
move
forward
so
I
just
want
to
thank
our
Boulder
County
Public
Health
Partners.
They
have
always
been
terrific
partners
and
to
kick
us
off
I.
Think
I
am
opening
it
up
to
Bill
Hayes,
who
I
believe
is
going
to
be
sharing
your
slides
on
your
own.
D
Actually,
how
about
I
have
have
you
Advanced
the
slides.
C
That's
great
then,
give
our
wonderful
clerks
team,
Emily
she's
on
it,
as
always
great.
D
I
figured
she'd
be
quicker
than
I
am
so
thank
you
Council
for
having
us
here
this
evening.
This
is
obviously
an
issue
that
kind
of
came
out
of
left
field
for
us
and
really
has
taken
up
a
lot
of
time
and
an
effort
to
address
and
with
that
I'll
jump
into
the
presentation
here,
so
jump
go
to
the
next
slide.
D
Yourself,
yeah
I'm,
sorry,
I
forgot
so
Bill
Hayes
I
am
the
air
quality
coordinator
of
Public,
Health
and
I'm
just
going
to
be
talking
about
the
issues
around
contamination
and
the
state
regulations
for
cleanup
of
those.
That's
what
my
group
oversees?
We
don't
work
in
the
harm
reduction
side
of
things,
so
the
state
meth
regulations
in
2003
a
report
was
done,
identifying
the
dangers
of
the
chemicals
associated
with
meth
production
in
2004.
D
The
state
passed
statute
that
required
Property
Owners
to
prohibit
access
to
properties
that
had
been
identified
as
meth
affected,
and
then
it's
on
the
owner
to
either
clean
up
that
property
or
to
demolish
it
and
next
slide,
and
so
the
cleanup
standards
are
part
of
the
code
of
Regulation
that
the
statute
drove
and
we
use
those
cleanup
standards
to
determine
if
a
proper
fee
is
meth
affected.
If
it
needs
to
be
remediated
and
then
once
remediated
was
it
done
adequately.
D
So
the
cleanup
standard
that
we
most
often
talk
about
is
the
one
for
habitable
spaces.
There
are
a
few
other
ones,
but
the
habitable
space
which
applies
to
most
is
0.3
micrograms
per
100
square,
centimeter
and
next
slide,
and
so
it's
important
to
remember
that
that
state
statute
is
technology-based.
The
cleanup
standard
is
technology-based,
not
Health,
based
and
that's
primarily
due
to
especially
10
years
ago,
15
years
ago,
when
this
first
came
about,
there
was
very
little
actual
scientific
data
to
show
what
the
health
impacts
of
exposure
to
methamphetamine
contamination
was.
D
So
the
assumption
is
absolute
worst
case
scenario,
24-hour
day,
seven
days
a
week,
exposure
for
infants
and
small
children
living
in
a
meth
contaminated
residence
and
then
again
because
there
was
so
much
uncertainty,
basically
about
a
300
fold.
Margin
of
error
was
applied
to
that,
so
very
conservative
standards.
Next.
D
And
so
because,
they're
so
conservative,
we
don't
need
to
look
at
that
limit
as
a
threshold
above
which
there
will
automatically
be
Health
impacts
in
most
cases.
You
know
we
see
people
being
exposed
to
much
higher
limits
and
not
having
Health
impacts,
and
so
because
of
that
these
standards
don't
really
apply.
D
They
don't
work
in
a
real
world
situation
in
a
public
building
where
the
duration
and
frequency
of
exposure
is
far
less
and
the
contamination
may
not
even
be
accessible
to
the
public,
so
next
slide,
and
so
Boulder
County
public
Health's
role
in
this.
So
we
enforce
the
state's
regulations
and
rules
and
started
doing
that
in
2012..
We
do
not
perform
any
testing,
nor
do
we
do
any
remediation
work.
Typically,
we
find
out
about
meth
affected
properties
from
police
reports
or
the
Consultants
doing
the
sampling.
D
It's
now
becoming
more
routine
for
real
estate
agents
to
recommend
testing
of
a
property
at
the
time
of
sales,
and
so
we're
also
getting
some
reports
coming
in
from
that
channel
next,
and
so
our
role
is
to
review
those
laboratory
analyzes
to
first
off,
determine
if
remediation
is
required
and
then
a
cleanup
sampling
is
performed
after
the
remediation
and
we
again
look
at
that
sampling
again
to
make
sure
it
was
done
appropriately
and
that
no
further
remediation
is
necessary.
D
Next,
so
Boulder
County,
Public
Health
does
not
recommend
proactive
sampling,
that
isn't
to
say
we
are
actively
discouraging
it,
but
we
only
are
our
duties
fall
in
requiring
testing
when
it
meets
the
regulations,
and
so
we
do
only
require
testing
on
credible
evidence,
and
so
that
is
typically
a
police
report
that
documents
the
police
saw
paraphernalia
or
small
people
using
meth.
D
It's
not
hearsay.
We
get
a
lot
of
calls
from
people
saying
I,
think
my
neighbor's
doing
meth,
and
that
is
not
enough
for
us
to
require
testing
of
that
property
and
then,
obviously,
as
we
are
here
tonight,
Boulder
County
Public
Health
serves
as
an
advisory
role
to
the
community
to
help
navigate
these
difficult
issues
next
slide.
D
And
so
what
is
the
exposure
risk
in
public
spaces?
That's
really
the
big
question
and
you
know,
as
I
said,
that
cleanup
standard
isn't
the
Threshold
at
which,
above
you
go
above
that
cleanup
standard
and
people
will
get
ill,
and
so
just
because
we
have
meth
contamination
in
our
public
buildings
does
not
mean
that
we
expect
people
to
become
ill
from
that.
As
I
said
before,
that
exposure
is
typically
infrequent
and
in
short
duration
and
we're
talking
about
third
hand
exposure,
and
so
you
know
we're
all
familiar
with
secondhand
smoke.
D
So
there
is
second-hand
exposure
to
meth.
If
you
were
to
walk
into
a
public
restroom
where
someone
was
actively
smoking
methamphetamine.
That
would
be
second
hand
exposure
and
you
could
have
a
significant
dose
from
that.
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
of
later
about
what
happens.
If
you
get
that
exposure,
but
what
we're
primarily
looking
at
is
third
hand
exposure,
someone
goes
into
the
public,
restroom
smokes
meth
leaves,
and
by
the
time
anyone
else
comes
in.
D
The
vapor
has
gone
typically
up
the
exhaust
fans
and
what
we're
left
with
is
a
residue
from
that
vapor
when
it
it
settles
and
solidifies
on
surfaces.
Meth
residue
is
very
sticky.
It
stays
around.
It's
essentially
a
forever
chemical,
it
doesn't
break
down
easily,
and
so
that's
why,
in
the
library
in
the
ventilation
system,
we
saw
very
high
levels
because
that
was
essentially
years
of
accumulation
added
on.
D
D
You
get
it
on
your
hands
and
now
you
either
put
your
hands
in
your
mouth
in
your
eyes,
other
mucous
membranes
and
that
transfer
happens,
and
so
it's
estimated
that
you
know
that
level
of
transfer
of
contamination
is
hundreds,
if
not
a
thousand
times
less
than
if
you
have
that
second
hand,
exposure
and
in
our
public
spaces.
When
people
are
going
into
public
restrooms
using
math.
You
know
they
typically
are
in
a
stall
and
trying
to
Exhale
into
the
ventilation
systems
per
code.
Bathroom
ventilation
fans
have
to
directly
exhaust
outside
of
the
building.
D
They
don't
go
and
co-mingle
with
the
other
HVAC
systems
in
the
building.
So
anything
going
up
that
vent
in
that
bathroom
is
going
straight
out
of
the
building
and
not
going
elsewhere
in
the
building,
and
so
the
highest
level
of
contamination
is
going
to
be
inside
that
ventilation
system
where
it
is
not
easily
accessible
to
the
public
next
slide.
D
And
so,
as
I
said,
secondhand
exposure
is,
you
know
acute
and
much
higher,
but
your
body
is
very
good
at
breaking
down
and
metabolizing
the
chemicals
in
math
contamination
residue
and
typically
you
excrete
it
from
your
body.
In
a
day
or
two
through
your
urine,
and
so
if
someone
is
actively
smoking,
meth
and
using
heavy
doses
over
a
long
period
of
time,
yes,
there
is
a
cumulative
told
that
it
takes
on
their
body.
D
But
what
we
see
in
our
literature
is
that
a
one-time
exposure
typically
like
I,
said
your
body
metabolizes
it
it's
out
of
your
system
in
a
day
or
two,
and
we
don't
see
any
lasting
Health
impacts,
someone
that
is
exposed
to
meth.
You
know
they
may
have
nausea
headaches
dizziness,
but
those
will
be
typically
short-lived
and
not
a
chronic
illness.
So
based
on
all
of
this
data
and
I
want
to
give
kudos
to
Gabi
hofler
on
our
air
quality
team.
She
has
done
a
tremendous
amount
of
research
in
this
area.
D
Also
on
the
call
here
this
evening,
he
and
I
were
at
the
Colorado
environmental
health
directors
meeting
this
afternoon
and
we
had
representatives
from
cdphe
Who
oversee
the
meth
work
at
cdphe,
as
well
as
a
toxicologist
from
the
Colorado
School
of
Public
Health,
and
they
both
you
know
strongly
emphasize
this
same
binding
that
they
do
not
consider
meth
exposure
in
public
spaces
to
be
a
significant
health
risk.
So
next
slide
and
so
current
efforts.
You
know
what
are
we
doing
so
the
Boulder
County?
We
actually
have
our
own
meth
ordinance.
D
We
looked
at
the
state,
statutes
and
regulations
and
added
to
those
to
basically
describe
how
Boulder
County
Public
Health
will,
in
Practical
terms,
Implement
those
regulations
and
so
we're
addressing
those
now,
because
they
do
kind
of
paint
us
into
a
corner,
sometimes
giving
us
little
options
for
how
to
proceed.
D
And
you
know,
as
we
saw
with
the
public
library
back
in
December,
we
ended
up
having
to
close
the
library
on
the
coldest
day
of
the
year
and
a
lot
of
our
unhoused
population
use
the
libraries
to
stay
warm
on
days
like
that,
and
so
we
really
didn't
feel
that
you
know
from
a
public
health
standpoint.
Closing
the
library
was
the
best
thing
to
do.
D
We
would
have
preferred
that
it
was
open
so
that
people
could
use
it
for
warming,
and
you
know,
eventually
we
did
get
a
variance
for
from
the
state
that
allowed
us
to
only
close
off
the
bathrooms,
but
we're
hoping
to
update.
You
know
how
we
implement
the
rakes
and
statutes
to
give
us
the
flexibility
in
situations
like
that
to
do
what
is
best
for
public
health,
we're
also
working
with
our
housing
authorities.
This
is
a
very
big
issue
for
them.
D
You
know
they
have
a
very
high
rate
of
their
rental
units
becoming
contaminated
with
meth
and
it
is
very
expensive
for
them
to
remediate
those
facilities,
and
so
that's
a
rental
unit.
That's
off
the
market
for
a
considerable
amount
of
time,
while
they
do
the
remediation
and
it
puts
a
big
financial
burden
on
those
affordable
housing
units
to
stay,
affordable
and
then
next
slide.
Please,
and
so,
as
I
said,
oh
back
one,
there
I
think
yeah.
D
So
we're,
as
I
said,
you
know
we're
working
with
cdphe
we're
working
with
other
public
health
agencies
in
the
area
to
come
up
with
regulations
to
update
the
state,
statutes
and
regulations.
D
One
of
the
big
things
that
we
talked
about
today
was
that
the
statutes
as
written
were
intended
for
residential
application.
It
was
you
know,
assumed
that
we
were
talking
about
a
house,
not
a
large
public
facility,
and
so
the
state
recognizes
that
there's
a
need
to
update
the
regs
to
consider
public
spaces
that
may
end
up
with
having
a
public
cleanup
limit
and
a
residential
cleanup
limit.
D
That's
not
something
Boulder
County,
Public
Health
is
pushing
for
because
there
wouldn't
be
a
health-based
rationale
for
raising
the
standards
which
makes
it
problematic
and
even
if
they
were
raised
significantly,
we
don't
think
that
that
would
give
us
a
lot
of
relief
from
the
remediation
that
we're
trying
to
do
so
next
slide,
so,
rather
than
have
regulations
with
a
higher
limit,
what
we're
pushing
for
and
hoping
to
see
is
prescribed
maintenance
practices
that
public
spaces
would
use
to
keep
contamination
down,
really
focusing
on
touchable
surfaces.
D
Still
a
lot
of
learning
to
be
done
on
you
know.
Is
there
certain
chemicals
that
are
better
than
others
when
it
comes
to
cleaning
off
meth
contamination?
So
more
to
come
on
that,
and
it's
going
to
be,
you
know
our
custodial
staff
for
the
most
part.
That
would
now
be
leading
the
effort
to
minimize
meth
contamination.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
giving
consideration
to
our
custodial
staff,
that's
coming
in
contact
with
the
contamination,
and
we
also
need
to
realize
you
know
the
people
that
work
in
these
public
facilities
may
actually
have.
D
You
know
far
more
exposure
than
the
general
public.
So
things
we're
still
working
on
next
slide
and,
lastly,
deterrence
folks
may
have
heard
up
in
Longmont
our
colleagues
up.
There
are
looking
at
purchasing
meth
alarms,
it's
a
product,
that's
kind
of
still
in
the
beta
testing
phase
from
a
company
in
New
Zealand,
but
more
or
less
it
would
work
like
a
smoke
detector,
but
instead
of
just
screeching,
it
would
actually
send
a
notification
to
staff
in
the
building
via
a
cell
phone
app
to
tell
them.
D
Someone
is
actively
smoking
meth
in
the
restroom
at
that
time.
Now
you
know,
probably
by
the
time
you
get
there,
the
first
one
will
be
gone,
but
it
does
two
things.
Hopefully
you
know
we
longmont's
going
to
be
putting
up
signage
saying
you
know
this
is
what
this
unit
is.
This
is
where
it
is.
D
This
is
what
it
does
and
that
that
just
putting
up
that
signage
will
deter
people
from
smoking
meth
in
those
bathrooms,
but
if
they
do
smoke
map,
that
also
tells
you
immediately
that
you
have
contamination,
and
the
sooner
you
address
that
contamination,
the
easier
it
is,
the
less
expensive
it
is
to
do
that
remediation,
Longmont,
Housing
Authority
is
going
to
be
putting
these
units
in
their
new
occupied
rental
units.
D
They
will
have
on
the
lease
people
initial,
that
they
acknowledge
that
there
is
a
meth
alarm
in
their
unit
and
they're,
hoping
that
you
know
people
seeing
that
on
the
lease
will
either
decline,
signing
the
lease
or
you
know
if
they
do
move
into
the
unit
and
smoke
meth
that
they'll
step
outside
to
do
it,
which
may
or
may
not
cause
other
issues
that
we'll
have
to
deal
with.
D
But
right
now
that's
that's
kind
of
the
leading
effort
in
the
deterrent
range
and
we
don't
actually
have
any
of
these
in
the
county
yet,
but
really
excited
to
see
how
that
works
and
we'll
certainly
share
back
with
all
of
you
when
we
learn
about
that.
So
that
is
all
I
have
for
you
all
this
evening
and
again
you
know
Bill
Hayes
and
Gabby
hofler,
as
I
said
on.
D
My
game
probably
knows
more
about
meth
contamination
than
any
of
us
in
the
county,
if
not
the
state,
so
don't
hesitate
to
reach
out
with
us
with
questions.
Thank
you.
F
First
I
want
to
be
really
clear
that
the
collaboration
with
the
city
on
the
library
situation
in
December
went
as
required,
and
the
city
did
the
right
thing:
it's
impossible
to
change
regulatory
requirements
in
real
time,
so
we
want
to
be
clear
that
the
actions
that
were
taken
at
that
time
were
needed
and
when
bill
says
that
we
would
have
preferred
not
to
close
the
library
or
to
take
a
different
remediation
path.
It
is
not
a
criticism
of
what
the
city
did.
F
We
were
absolutely
in
support
of
what
the
city
did.
It
was
just
not.
We
all
reckon
I
think
we
all
recognize.
It
was
not
an
ideal
solution
at
the
time,
also
to
say
that
I
think
that
what
you
really
get
from
Bill's
presentation
is
that
this
is
both
an
evolving
and
a
complex
issue
that
involves
Health.
F
To
that
sacrifice,
the
state
seems
to
agree
with
us
recognize
that,
yes,
it
is
out
of
whack,
and-
and
this
is
this,
imbalance
is
becoming
more
widely
recognized
into
their
communities.
So
when
we
say
we're
working
with
the
state
and
others
to
really
rethink
how
we
address
this
Complex
Community
Health
Challenge,
we
recognize
that
it's
probably
going
to
take
some
time
and
a
process
of
of
really
being
able
to
gather
data
influence
and
rethink.
F
What
that
balance
of
needs
is
recognizing
that
you
know
there
is
never
an
interest
in
putting
the
Public's
Health
at
risk
from
the
Public
Health
Department's
perspective.
F
Finally,
just
to
kind
of
really
raise
that
Bill's
last
point
about
the
the
meth
alarms
that
Longmont
is
testing.
You
know
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
spaces
of
experimentation
that
we
expect
to
see
in
the
next
months
and
years
in
different
communities
and
we're
really
interested
in
keeping
a
wide
perspective
on
kind
of
what
the
experience
of
those
pilot
experiences
are,
because
we
do
know
as
Bill
notes
that
there
are
likely
to
be
some.
F
B
Thank
you
Lexi
and
thank
you
Bill.
Does
anyone
have
any
questions
specifically
related
to
the
like
clarifying
questions
for
this
presentation,
because
Bill
and
Lexi,
my
understanding
is
we'll
be
sticking
around
for
a
wider
discussion
later,
okay
I
see
Nicole
Matt
and
then
Mark.
G
Thanks
so
much
I'm,
Bill
and
Lexi,
a
really
great
presentation,
I
just
just
want
to
extend
my
gratitude
to
you
all
and
everybody
at
the
county
for
all
this
work
that
you're
doing
they
really
create
a
science-based
approach
to
Public
Health
program
or
to
a
public
health
problem.
I
just
had
a
couple
of
clarifying
questions
around
the
standards,
so
I'm
a
little
still
a
little
bit
unclear
on
who
ultimately
is
setting
the
standards
for
when
we
have
to
one
test
and
then
to
remediate.
Is
that
the
legislature
is
it
cdphe?
D
So
the
cleanup
standard
is
a
state
standard
and
part
of
what
will
be
a
challenge
in
making
any
revisions
is.
Some
of
the
requirements
are
in
statute
summer
and
regulations.
So
what
we
really
are
going
to
need
is
a
new
statute
and
new
regulations,
and
both
of
those
will
take
time,
but
the
cleanup
standard
is
in
cdphe's
regulations,
and
so
you
know
you
know
right
now,
that's
set
in
stone.
We
don't
have
any
leeway
around
that.
D
G
D
Yeah
definitely
it's
time
to
look
at
what
the
current
science
is,
but
I
don't
anticipate.
You
know.
If
we
were
to
be
able
to
raise
the
standards,
it
would
be
enough
to
make
a
significant
difference
in
the
number
of
properties
having
to
be
remediated,
because
in
most
of
the
residents
that
we
see-
and
we
typically
get.
D
You
know
one
to
two
of
these
a
week
to
give
you
a
perspective
on
how
many
we're
talking
about
and
the
levels
that
we
generally
see
are
in
the
hundreds
and
not
infrequently
over
a
thousand,
and
you
know
there
will
be
no
basis
for
raising
that
cleanup
standard
from
a
health
perspective
to
a
level
that
would
allow
those
to
go.
Unremediated
yep.
G
D
No,
so
for
for
the
last
many
years
it's
been
entirely
contamination
from
use.
It's
been
quite
a
while,
since
we're
aware
of
any
meth
production
lab
in
the
county.
You
know
years
ago,
like
so
many
other
things,
it
can
be
done
cheaper
and
better
outside
of
the
country
and
brought
in,
and
so
you
know
the
reason
the
levels
are
high
is,
as
I
said,
these
chemicals
do
not
break
down.
D
G
Okay,
thank
you
and
in
this
I'm
gonna
I'll
ask
this
question
now
and
if
it
feels
like
a
better
one
to
answer
during
the
discussion,
that's
completely
fine
with
me.
Is
there
any
advocacy
that
we
as
a
city
need
to
think
about
doing
to
get
some
of
these
regulation
and
statute
change
so
that
our
standards
are
more
in
line
with
the
science
on
how
meth
is
transferred?
D
Yeah
that
that
is
a
pretty
big
question,
but
you
know
I
will
say
the
state
is
aware
that
it's
time
to
update
the
regulations
and
work
is
being
done
on
that,
but
I
don't
think
it
ever
hurts
for
them
to
hear
additional
voices
encouraging
to
to
move
that
along
because
one
of
the
things
we
heard
today
from
the
cdphe
staff
was
they
don't
have
funding
currently
to
do
the
work
necessary
to
update
the
regs
to
do
the
research
to
find
out.
You
know
what
the
current
science
says.
D
So
you
know
definitely
any
opportunity
to
push
for
funding
to
go
to
that
effort
would
be
very
helpful.
Okay,.
H
Thanks
Lauren
and
Nicole
I
appreciate
those
questions
on
the
sort
of
statutory
and
Regulatory
fronts.
Those
disc
congruities
are
definitely
kind
of
concerning
so
I'm
glad
that
there's
a
conversation
to
be
had
about
moving
up
moving
to
reconcile
those
differences.
H
My
question
sort
of
sticks
with
sort
of
a
theme
of
science-based
efforts
here,
which
is
you
know
like
any
experiment
or
Pilot
the
more
samples
you
have,
the
better
your
results
are
and
and
with
regards
to
the
pilots
in
Longmont.
Has
there
been
any
discussion
about
Boulder
participating
in
this
to
broaden
the
sampling
of
these
Pilots
to
really
have
some
better
ground
truths
as
to
how
effective
these
are
or
to
diversify
the
environments
perhaps
in
which
these
are
being
installed?
H
And
so
my
first
thought
is
like
BHP
like
thinking
about
that
I
mean
now.
Obviously
the
Housing
Authority
in
Longmont
is
doing
it
so
there's
related
there.
You
know
like
public
bathrooms,
for
us,
so
I'm,
just
sort
of
curious.
If
there's
been
discussion
about
the
city
participating
in
this
pilot
to
sort
of
help,
broaden
the
scope
and
maybe
efficacy
of
of
the
win
earnings
that
come
from
it.
C
I
think
that's
more
of
a
question
to
me
than
to
our
Boulder
County
Public
Health
partner,
so
I'll
take
that
on
because
Longmont
is
doing
this
on
their
own.
When
we
spoke
I
meet
generally
with
other
city
managers
and
administrators
and
the
city
manager
of
Longmont
had
shared
that
they
were
doing
that
they
were
looking
into
it.
C
It
is,
it
is
so
early,
we
don't
know
yet
what
the
pilot
will
yield,
and
so
we
have
kind
of
taken
an
approach
to
see
they're
doing
just
a
few
and
to
see
where
that
looks
like
and
if
it
looks
promising,
then
certainly
something
that
we
would
consider,
but
we
want
to
be
thoughtful
too
about
making
sure
that
we're
thinking
two
of
the
the
unintended
consequences
that
come
that
once
you
start
testing
and
triggering
as
you
think
about
that.
C
What
does
that
look
like,
and
we
don't
know
enough
about
the
mechanisms
to
know
to
we
haven't
just
explored
them
sufficiently,
so
we
are
looking
on
our
own.
We
are
looking
to
see
what
Longmont
is
and,
frankly,
if
it
looks
promising,
we
may
end
up
jumping
in
sooner
or
we
may
be
waiting
to
see
what
the
pilot
results
are.
H
C
Would
say
somewhere
in
between
but
I
don't
know
when
Longmont
is
getting
their
sensors
in
and
I
don't
know
Lexi.
If
you
know.
F
I
don't
know
the
answer
to
that
question.
Do
you
know
Bill.
D
I
F
I
would
just
also
say
that
we
are
having
ongoing
conversations
with
a
collection
of
housing
authorities
in
the
region
to
talk
about
what
other
kinds
of
solutions
we
might
find
for
that
kind
of
vicious
cycle
that
we
have
of
meth
use
and
Remediation,
and
you
know
repeated
contamination,
which
is,
is
problematic
on
a
number
of
levels.
So
we're
exploring
some
other
options
too.
J
Thank
you.
Do
we
have
any
information
from
any
municipality
as
to
the
reliability
of
these
meth
alarms.
D
No,
that's,
that's.
You
know
kind
of
what
we're
anxious
to
see.
Like
I
said
it's,
it's
a
brand
new
product.
This
isn't
anything
anyone's
ever
made
before
you
know
I.
D
My
understanding
is
that
you
know,
essentially
it's
not
so
much
Longmont
as
a
customer
buying
them
from
them,
but
more
as
a
partner
working
with
them,
so
that
the
company
has
some
real
life
testing
data
to
show
you
haven't
talked
through,
but
you
know
it
would
be
interesting
to
see
you
know
if
the
alarm
gets
triggered
and
then
we
go
in
and
do
sampling
to
find
out.
If
there's
you
know
a
correlation
between
the
level
of
contamination
versus
what
set
the
alarm
off
so.
C
Don't
but
we
can
certainly
get
back
to
you,
council,
member
mayor.
J
Yeah
and
my
my
last
question
is
I
I:
don't
want
to
mischaracterize
what
you
were
saying
so
please
clarify
for
me
what
was
part
of
your
argument
that
that
meth
is
less
of
a
public
health
issue
in
certain
contexts
than
we
had
previously
believed
and
that
the
standards
need
to
be
adjusted
to
reflect.
That
I
mean
what
did
I
just
misread
that
well.
F
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
that
we
could
speak
to
less
than
you
previously
believed.
But
the
critical
point
that
we
were
trying
to
make
is
that
context
does
make
a
difference,
because
it
relates
to
exposure
duration,
concentration,
type
of
exposure
and
where
we
particularly
see
that
distinction
in
context
is
in
between
public
spaces
and
residential
spaces.
F
Public
spaces,
where
there's
a
brief,
acute
exposure,
usually
in
terms
of
touch
versus
a
residential
exposure
which
usually
has
to
do
with
meth
use
and
where
people
are
residing
over
long
periods
of
time
and
having
kind
of
a
constant
exposure.
That
is
not
just
that
third
hand
exposure,
but
also
that
first
and
second
hand
did
I
summarize
that
fairly
bill.
J
All
I
can
say
is
that
I
would
not
like
to
be
part
of
the
library
management
making
that
argument
to
families
and
and
parents
yeah
that
you
know
your
concerns
are
overrated,
because
the
meth
use
is
not
going
to
be
harmful.
That
would
be
a
a
pretty
tough
sell,
but.
D
Yeah
well
a
lot
of
my
work.
A
lot
of
our
work
at
public
health
is
putting
risks
into
you
know
perspective.
What
is
the
relative
risks?
Because
you
know
every
day
we
are
bombarded
with
hundreds,
if
not
thousands,
of
different
chemical
compounds.
You
know
most
of
them
not
good
for
us,
but
in
modern
society.
You
know
we
choose
to
accept
many
of
those.
What
makes
this
difficult,
though,
is
you
know
it's?
D
It's
a
risk
put
upon
the
public
that
they
didn't
choose,
and,
and
so
you
know,
it
certainly
makes
it
more
challenging
because
you
know
there
is
no
justification
for
having
any
meth
contamination
in
a
public
space,
but
the
reality
is
it
happens,
and
we
want
to
take
steps
to
be
as
protective
as
we
can
of
Public
Health,
but
also
recognizing
that
we
can
never
get
that
risk
absolutely
to
zero.
J
I
I
hear
you,
but
for
anybody
having
to
make
that
argument
to
a
group
of
parents,
my
only
comment
would
be.
You
know:
vaya
con
dios.
B
G
I
call
a
clue
about
the
question,
though
it's
still
question:
it's
not
my
understanding
bill
of
what
you
were
saying
is
it's
not
that
sort
of
the
science
led
us
to
one
set
of
standards,
and
now
we're
reconsidering
it's
that
the
science
did
not
exist
when
these
standards
were
set.
Is
that
correct
or
did
I
misunderstand
that.
D
Well,
you
know,
certainly
we
don't
have
nearly
as
much
data
as
we
would
like.
You
know
for
most
of
our
chemical
compounds
that
we
do
have
exposure
limits.
They
come
from
industrial
settings
where
you
know
we
have
a
large
population
of
workers
exposed
to
known
levels
of
contamination
and
we
can
monitor
the
health
impacts.
But
when
you
come
to
something
like
an
illicit
drug,
you
know
we're
not
going
to
sign
anyone
up
for
being
exposed
to
that
to
do
a
laboratory
type
analysis
of
what
are
the
health
impacts.
D
D
But
you
know,
as
I've
pointed
out,
the
regulations
were
originally
written
with
a
residence
in
mind
and
and
absolute
worst
case
scenario
of
infants
and
children
who
are
more
susceptible
to
be
a
adverse
Health
impacts
of
meth
exposure
and
so
a
child
living
in
that
day
in
day
out
constantly.
And
so
it's
it's
not
appropriate
to
apply
that
standard
to
a
public
space.
K
I
understand
about
the
public
spaces,
but
let's
say
let's
take
a
scenario
where
we're
at
Depot
Square,
which
is
our
private
non-vhp,
affordable,
housing
and,
let's
say
you're
a
family
with
little
babies
or
little
kids,
and
you
start
to
smell
an
odor.
K
D
Well,
and-
and
you
know,
this
definitely
gets
out
of
my
realm
of
expertise
and
and
really
a
bit
outside
of
Public
Health,
because
that
now
becomes
you
know
personal
private
rights,
it's
very
difficult
to
require
testing
of
someone's
personal
residence
based
on
something
that
their
neighbor
tells
us,
and
we
do
get
those
calls
right.
We
get
those
calls
very
frequently,
and
you
know
what
we
say
to
those
people
at
this
time
is,
you
know,
call
the
police,
that's
really
all
we
can
offer,
because
we
cannot
require.
D
K
Okay,
great,
let's,
let's
one
more
question:
let's
take
the
homeless
shelter,
for
instance,
in
the
hearsay
world
or
in
the
anecdotal
World,
we'll
sometimes
hear
stories
that
there
is
Matthews
at
our
homeless
shelter.
Do
you
go
and
test
there?
It's
sort
of
public
correct,
but
not
really.
D
K
D
And
again,
as
I
said,
we
Boulder
County
Public
Health.
We
do
not
perform
the
testing
right,
yeah
that
that
has
to
be
done
by
an
environmental
consultant
that
is
certified
by
the
state
to
do
that
testing,
and
so
you
know,
nor
do
we
hire
those
Consultants
to
do
the
testing.
So
you
know
in
the
case
of
Boulder
Library,
the
city
hired
the
consultant
in
the
case
of
you
know:
Boulder
housing
Partners
if
they
suspect
or
need
testing
they
hire.
D
F
K
And
my
last
question:
getting
back
to
Depot
square
is,
if
they're
so
sorry
about
the
details
of
this,
but
I
would
assume
community
members
maybe
would
want
to
know
that's
why
I'm
asking
since
I
would
want
to
know
if
I
lived
there
in
Depot
square.
If
there
was
a
police
report,
is
it
then
just
Depot
Square
management
that
gets
to
ask
for
the
testing?
Who
can
ask
for
that
testing
once
there's
a
police
Deport
at
let's
say
a
housing.
D
You
know
you
are
required
to
now
do
a
preliminary
assessment
and
we
advise
them
at
that
time
that
you
know.
Should
this
test
come
back
positive,
that
you
will
have
to
prohibit
entry
to
the
property
and
you
will
have
to
do
cleanup,
so
we
advise
you
know
everybody
to
start
planning
for
that,
so
that
they're
not
doing
nothing
waiting
for
the
results
to
come
back.
D
You
know
have
a
plan
in
place
that
when
those
results
come
back,
if
they
are
positive,
you
know
how
you're
going
to
deal
with
it
and
what
you're
going
to
do.
We
typically
you
know
we
don't.
We
can't
require
it,
but
we
do
advise
that.
You
know
if
there
is
a
police
report,
if
there's
credible
evidence
that
there's
contamination
that
they
go
ahead
and
prohibit
entry
to
the
premises
before
we
even
get
the
test
results
back.
B
Thank
you,
Tara
and
I
just
wanted
to
mention
for
the
record
that
Rachel
was
able
to
join
us.
She
had
another
conflict
but
great
to
have
her
here
with
us.
Yay
I
also
had
a
quick
question
before
we
well,
hopefully,
quick
move
on
bill.
F
So
we
do
a
couple.
We
work
in
a
couple
of
other
spaces
related
to
math.
One
is
really
about
prevention.
We
have
a
number
of
middle
and
behavioral
health
programs
that
work
in
primary
prevention,
early
intervention
and
addiction,
particularly
with
young
folks
working
to
prevent
addictive
Cycles
in
relation
to
harm
reduction.
F
I
think
you
all
know
that
Boulder
County
Public
Health
has
one
of
the
oldest
harm
reduction
programs
in
the
country
dating
back
to
the
80s
that
is
really
aimed
at
reducing
disease
spread.
That
is
aimed
at
encouraging
folks
to
to
seek
treatment
and
Recovery,
and
that
works
to
provide
an
environment
where
people
are
not
as
susceptible
to
a
variety
of
harms
that
occur
with
addiction.
F
Our
harm
reduction
program
in
Boulder
County
does
a
lot
of
different
things.
It
provides
a
needle
exchange.
It
also
provides
fentanyl
test
strips.
It
provides
Narcan
interventions,
we
distribute
Sharps
Containers
for
personal
use,
as
well
as
in
public
spaces
to
try
to
reduce
syringe
litter.
One
of
the
things
that
we
have
found
lately
is
that
the
rates
of
drug
use
and
meth
in
particular
over
the
past
decade,
have
risen
so
substantially
over
the
last
10
years
nationally
that
this
is
a
problem
in
every
single
Community
across
our
country.
F
At
this
point
and
communities
that
don't
have
harm
reduction
programs
where
they
are
working
to
reduce
use
and
help
folks
get
into
recovery,
are
experiencing
the
same
kinds
of
levels
of
needle
syringe
litter
in
their
communities
that
we
are,
but
without
the
benefit
of
collection
and
the
disease
reduction.
So,
for
instance,
we
are,
we
see
even
in
nearby
counties
right
now.
F
Spikes
in
HIV
we've
had
one
case
of
hid,
HIV
identified
in
our
program
over
the
last
two
and
a
half
years,
so
it
really
is
demonstrating
to
be
effective
in
reducing
disease,
spread
and
contributing
to
reduction
of
syringe
litter.
I'm
happy
to
answer
other
questions.
We
do
a
lot
of
training.
We
have
an
enormous
list
of
Community
Partners
that
we
work
with
to
make
sure
that
folks
understand
how
to
encourage
people
to
use
the
program
effectively,
including
working
with
the
city
of
Boulder
public
works
department.
F
That
does
sweeps
and
collects
those
containers,
as
well
as
picks
up
stray
needles
when
we
do
find
them.
B
C
Thank
you,
council,
member
and,
and
just
rest
assured
that,
as
we
continue
to
evolve
and
in
our
partnership,
we
will
continue
to
look
at
whether
those
early
detection
or
other
General
sensors
that
are
being
developed
technology
is
emerging,
and
we
will
continue
to
be
looking
to
make
sure
that
we've
got
what
we
need
for
our
community
as
we
look
forward
for
now.
C
I
wanted
to
switch
a
little
over
and
if
Emily
can
get
our
presentation
up
as
well,
really
focus
a
bit
on
what
staff
sees
right
from
a
bit
of
anecdote,
a
bit
of
data
on
what
we're
seeing
and
really
what
was
striking
to
me
not
having
been
here
years
ago,
was,
as
we
were
talking
about
this
presentation,
what
a
shift
staff
has
seen
from
2018
2019
to
what
we're
currently
facing
now
and
what
does
that
look
like
for
staff
work
as
we
move
forward?
C
We've
got
some
great
folks
that
will
be
talking
we'll
start
off
with
our
Public
Safety
folks,
to
give
us
some
data,
and
that
is
data
that
PD
sees
in
conjunction
with
their
work
on
Boulder
County
drug
task
force,
as
well
as
data
that
our
fire
department
sees,
as
they
also
go
out
and
respond
so
next
slide
and
then
I'll
try
to
trigger,
as
we
continue
to
move
forward.
So
for
now,
I'll
ask
Daniel
to
introduce
himself
and
kick
us
off.
L
Good
evening
Council,
my
name
is
Dr
Reinhardt
I'm,
the
chief
data
analyst
for
the
Boulder
Police
Department
I'm
here
tonight
to
discuss
drug
charges,
drug
seized,
drug
arrests
and
drug
deaths.
You
know
the
discussion
tonight.
It
really
includes
points
about
the
city
of
Boulder
and
the
county
of
Boulder
because
of
the
nature
and
scope
of
the
problems
that
we're
seeing
next
slide.
L
Please
so
in
order
to
understand
methamphetamine
and
Fentanyl
problems
here,
locally
I
think
it's
important
to
consider
first
house
bill,
19,
1263,
and
so
this
bill
you
know
passed
in
2019
and
became
active
in
2020
and
it
lowered
the
penalties
associated
with
possession
of
drugs
like
schedule,
1
and
schedule
Two
drugs,
which
include
methamphetamine
and
Fentanyl,
and
because
of
that
you
know,
we
really
see
sort
of
demonstrably
fewer
penalties
associated
with
these
kinds
of
drug
charges,
and
so
this
slide,
you
know
sort
of
highlights
the
shift
in
2020
to
now
in
terms
of
felony
charges
and
misdemeanor
charges
associated
with
with
these
drugs.
L
M
L
So
fewer
individuals
have
really
been
jailed
since
2020..
There's
a
combination
of
factors
for
that
this,
the
shift
in
the
severity
of
charges
is
partly
contributable
to
this,
as
are
the
kova
jail
standards
changes
in
2020
to
now,
and
even
though
we've
jailed
over
40
individuals
this
year
associated
with
these
kinds
of
charges,
you
know
they're
likely
to
receive
less
severe
sentences
associated
with
that
jail
time.
L
L
L
So
drug-related
deaths
that
are
solely
attributed
to
meth
or
fentanyl
increased
year
over
year
from
2017
to
2021,
and
then
they
lowered
precipitously
last
year
and
that's
really
due
to
a
combination
of
drug
use,
so
poly
drug
use
associated
with
those
two
drugs
and
other
substances,
something
that
it's
helpful
to
point
out
here.
According
to
the
DEA
about
42
percent
of
fentanyl
pills
that
are
seized
by
law
enforcement,
they
typically
contain
potentially
lethal
doses
of
Fentanyl
and
they're,
increasingly
laced
with
other
substances
that
can
make
them
even
more
dangerous.
E
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
introduce
niet
good
evening,
Council
I'm
judge
cook
here
I'm
going
to
have
niyat
Nguyen.
He
is
our
lead
net
homeless
navigator
at
the
boulder
Municipal
Court.
He
worked
alongside
Megan
Newton
before
HHS
lured,
her
away
from
us,
but
it's
got
a
lot
of
experience
as
a
navigator
in
the
court
as
well
as
previously
at
the
shelter.
So
a
number
of
years
working
in
this
space
go
ahead
and
yet.
M
Good
evening,
everyone
and
thank
you,
judge
cook
for
the
introduction
and
I
would
like
to
share
some
of
the
perspectives
that
we've
been
seeing
out
on
the
field
with
the
community
program,
and
the
first
thing
I
would
like
to
share
is
the
non-engagement,
so
clients
who
are
actively
using
met
are
less
likely
to
engage
in
services
and
the
reason
being
for
that
is
they
have
psychological
effects
that
that
Matt
can
cause
such
as
hyperactivity,
hallucinations,
delusion
and
aggression.
M
It
also
exacerbates
the
mental
other
health
other
mental
health
conditions,
which
makes
it
harder
for
service
providers
and
case
managers
to
have
a
productive
conversation
with
them.
That
could
lead
to
other
services
and
obtaining
benefits,
and
then,
of
course,
the
there
are
a
few
individuals
who
would
rather
stay
in
the
streets
than
engage
in
the
housing
process.
M
And
then
the
next
thing
I
would
like
to
share
is
the
barriers
to
housing.
So,
even
when
a
person
is
willing
to
engage
in
Services,
a
history
of
math
use
or
mad
charges
on
their
record
could
make
it
very
difficult
for
them
to
find
a
landlord
who
is
willing
to
rent
to
them,
and
the
reason
for
that
is
I
think
Bill
Hayes
mentioned
earlier.
M
The
remediation
the
cause
of
remediation
for
math
contamination
are
very
expensive
and
landlords
are
also
very
concerned
about
individuals
who
use
math
that
could
exhibit
concerning
behaviors
that
could
affect
the
community
around
them.
M
The
neighbors
and
last
thing
I'd
like
to
share
is
the
victimization
of
math,
so
we
did
a
bit
of
research
and
we
found
a
study
done
in
San
Diego
in
2012
that
show
43
of
met
user
in
the
city
were
trading
sex
for
math
within
two
months
of
the
study
that
were
done
and
I
would
like
to
share
a
story,
an
example
that
we've
seen
with
Community
College.
So
we
had
a
client
who
we've
been
working
with
since
2021
she's,
a
very,
very
vulnerable
woman,
and
she
generally
stay
away
from
accessing
Services.
M
She
only
come
and
engaged
with
us
when
she
has
tickets,
but
would
not
engage
any
further
than
that,
and
she
also
hangs
around
different
men
for
protection
and
toward
the
end
of
2022.
She
came
to
Community
Court
and
were
asking
for
help
with
her
ID
and
as
she
was
explaining
her
situation,
how
she
wanted
to
leave
Colorado
and
how
she
needs
an
ID
to
get
into
housing.
She
started
crying
and
she
said
things
like
I
can't
do
this
anymore.
I
need
to
get
out
the
state
but
I
can't.
M
Then
she
proceeded
to
tell
us
that
she
was.
She
has
been
trading
sex
for
drugs
and
protection
from
many
different
men
and
she
could
not
live
like
this
anymore
and
I
I.
Think
the
story
really
showed
that
how
vulnerable
some
of
our
clients
are
on
the
street
and
she's,
not
the
only
person.
That's
been
doing
this.
We
we
know
of
other
people
who
are
doing
the
same
thing
where
they're
trading
sex
for
Math
and
other
drugs
and
I
just
hope
that
we
can
do
more
to
help
these
vulnerable
victims.
Thank
you.
C
N
Good
evening
Council,
my
name
is
Megan
Newton
I.
Am
the
policy
advisor
on
homelessness
for
HHS
and
I'm,
going
to
go
over
the
challenges
that
both
meth
and
Fentanyl
cause
in
both
housing,
affordable
housing
that
we've
discussed
a
little
bit
already
and
then
homelessness
as
well
as
we've
discussed
already
affordable
housing
providers
have
identified
meth
use
in
their
properties
as
one
of
their
greatest
challenges.
N
The
things
they
list
are
the
Enviro,
the
environmental
impacts
and
Remediation
that
we
already
discussed,
and
then
other
disruptive
behaviors
that
folks
exhibit
when
they're
using
methamphetamines
some
of
the
disruptive
behaviors
that
we
see
meth
highs,
May,
mimic
symptoms
of
mental
health,
including
psychosis,
and
so
these
individuals
are
difficult
to
de-escalate
so
difficult
for
their
neighbors
difficult
for
property
managers,
they're,
often
unable
to
appropriately
care
for
their
housing
unit.
We've
seen
some
housing
units
where
they're
in
complete
disarray.
They
have
some
boarding
Tendencies
and
it
makes
the
unit
completely
uninhabitable.
N
They
sometimes
will
bring
others
into
their
apartment,
which
amplifies
the
problem.
And
then
all
these
behaviors
combined,
obviously
are
likely
to
end
an
eviction
and
then
result
in
them
being
homeless
and,
as
was
brought
up
earlier,
these
disruptive
behaviors
often
almost
always
have
an
impact
on
the
neighbors
and
the
communities.
N
So
we
see
the
behaviors
in
these
affordable
housing
communities
result
in
increased
complaints
to
Property
Management,
as
well
as
increased
complaints
to
the
Boulder
Police
Department
and
in
the
last
year
we've
seen
a
significant
uptick
in
the
fentanyl
use,
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
concern
for
overdose
in
these
apartments,
where
individuals
live
alone
and
don't
have
anybody
to
quickly
respond
and
so
I'll
transition
a
little
bit
to
the
challenges
we
see
in
homelessness,
meth
use
and
now
fentanyl
use
I
think
will
combine.
N
N
Individuals
experiencing
unsheltered
homelessness,
consistently
experience
higher
rates
of
substance,
abuse
over
sheltered
population
and
the
unsheltered
homelessness
is
strongly
associated
with
chronic
homelessness,
which
exacerbates
the
issue.
Even
more
as
we've
been
doing,
work
with
the
high
utilizers,
the
high
system
utilizers,
we
estimate,
probably
about
80
percent
of
them-
either
are
currently
using
or
previously
used,
meth
and
or
fentanyl
and
oftentimes
our
poly
substance
users,
so
they'll
pretty
much
use
whatever
is
available
to
them
and
do
the
cost
of
remediation.
N
We
pride
ourselves
in
Boulder
in
being
able
to
problem
solve
with
barriers,
but
this
one
has
has
been
one
of
the
largest
challenges
that
we've
seen,
but
on
the
flip
side
of
that
folks,
who
remain
in
shelters
and
on
the
street
are
very
unlikely
to
find
recovery.
So
that's
the
challenge
that
we
that
we
try
to
balance.
N
Also
like
Matt
mentioned
this
population
is
often
difficult
to
engage
in
Services.
There
are
behaviors
are
often
more
chaotic
and
unstable,
and
then
we
lack
the
treatment
options
when
they
are
ready.
So
we
may
get
someone
who
has
been
to
jail
and
they're
sober
and
they're
like
okay
I'm
ready,
but
we
lack
the
ability
to
effectively
transition
people
on
a
regular
basis.
N
We
are
able
to
do
it
sometimes,
but
it's
just
not
consistent
enough
and
then
I
would
also
like
to
kind
of
like
to
point
out
I
think
that
was
already
mentioned,
but
with
the
increased
use
of
fentanyl
in
the
last
year.
A
staggering
comment
was
made
in
both
the
Outreach
cons
in
an
Outreach
form
and
by
the
shelter
in
that
a
year
or
two
ago.
It
was
highly
uncommon
to
see
overdoses.
N
It
was
maybe
once
or
twice
a
year,
but
now
in
both
the
shelter
setting
and
the
folks
who
are
living
unsheltered
it's
multiple
times
a
month
like
weekly
daily,
the
overdoses
with
the
fentanyl
use
or
the
fentanyl
cut
into
other
drugs
are
escalating
very
quickly.
O
Good
evening,
Council
Lucy,
liberal
sta,
with
HHS
I,
am
the
cert
supervisor.
Cert
stands
for
the
crisis
intervention
response
team,
we're
the
co-responder
team
that
works
with
Boulder
police
officers
in
responding
to
behavioral
health
calls
in
the
community.
So
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
what
our
team
sees
is
is
very
similar
to
what
Megan
and
Yacht
were
mentioning.
How
meth
really
creates
barriers
to
engagement?
It's
really
challenging
to
de-escalate
people
who
are
acutely
intoxicated
on
meth.
O
When
folks
are
at
a
level
of
aggression,
if
they've
been
violent,
they
they're
not
eligible
to
go
to
our
local
detox
and
at
times
you
know,
we
also
have
challenge
changes
having
them
stay
at
the
hospitals,
and
so
sometimes
we
ourselves
and
the
police
find
ourselves
dealing
with
folks
kind
of
again
and
again
in
one
night,
which
unfortunately
can
result
in
situations
that
escalate
then
to
the
point
where
people
get
arrested,
which
I
don't
think,
is
the
outcome
that
any
of
us
would
like
to
see.
O
Again,
as
as
as
Megan
mentioned,
there
are
limited
residential
treatment
options
for
folks
who
are
seeking
recovery
from
meth
use
and
I
would
also
say-
and
some
of
this
was
covered
in
the
the
hotline.
But
you
know,
meth
recovery
for
meth
is
extremely
challenging,
more
so
I
think
than
other
substances.
It
really
takes
over
a
year
for
people
to
experience,
recovery
from
long-term
chronic,
meth
use,
probably
14
14
to
18
months
is
a
period
of
time
where
folks
would
would
start
to
see
their
cognitive
processes.
O
Repairing
and
and
The
psychosis
can
be
quite
persistent,
and
even
if
the
psychosis
is
not
persistent,
coming
off
of
methamphetamine,
it's
like
all
the
color,
the
juice,
the
things
that
make
life
worth
living
are
gone.
The
the
artificial
inflation
of
dopamine
and
and
folks
systems
when
they're
using
meth
is,
is,
is
neurotoxic
and
creates
a
profound
deficiency.
Then,
when
they
stop
using
the
substance
that
really
takes
a
long
time
to
heal
from
it
is
possible
for
folks
to
heal.
O
Although
some
people
have
very
persistent
symptoms
but
I
I
do
want
to
say
it's
possible.
It
is
quite
uncommon
in
my
experience
for
folks
who
are
experiencing
unsheltered
homelessness,
who
are
also
yeah,
chronic
long-term
uses
of
meth
to
achieve
durable
recovery
for
some
of
the
reasons
that
Megan
mentioned
and
I'm
sure
they'll
be
more
discussion
of
this
later.
O
But,
yes,
it
people
really
need
to
be
housed
long
term.
In
order
to
recover
it's
it,
it
is
not
feasible
to
think
that
folks
could
recover
from
meth
use
while
living
unsheltered
people,
people
who
are
using
math,
there's
often
a
survival
component
to
it.
You
know
meth
increases
heart
rate,
it
it
increases
body
temperature,
it
increases
alertness,
so
for
for
many
folks,
it
is
a
it's
a
survival
strategy.
O
They
they
can
stay
warm
when
it's
cold
outside
they
can
stay
alert
at
night,
so
their
their
things,
don't
get
stolen
or
they
don't
get
assaulted.
You
know
we've
also,
as
nyat
mentioned,
we've
also
seen
a
number
of
folks
who
are
you
know
in
situations
where
they
have
some
really
tough
choices
about
their
own
personal
safety
and
drug
use
can
play
into
those
choices.
In
terms
of
you
know,
do
I
use
drugs
to
make.
You
know,
make
an
experience.
O
More
survivable
do
I
exchange
drugs
for
sex
with
one
person,
because
this
person
will
protect
me
as
opposed
to
not
doing
that
and
being
vulnerable
to
assault
by
many
different
people.
These
are
very
rough
choices
that
people
are
facing
and
people
really
are
caught
in
a
cycle
of
of
living,
unsheltered
and
using
substances
with
with
not
a
lot
of
great
options
for
getting
out
of
it.
C
Thanks
next
slide
Lucy
and
thank
you
and-
and
while
this
is
complex
and
sometimes
seems,
Bleak
I-
think.
The
partnership
that
we
have
with
tribe
recovering
homes
is
one
of
the
great
is,
is
a
great
result
of
the
partnership
that
we
can
do
and
something
that
we
are
doing
to
sort
of
address.
This
really
complex
and
frankly,
fast
growing
problem
in
our
city,
and
we
see
it
nationally.
C
We
also
as
a
city
right
we're
also
Beyond
housing
and
what
we
see
with
our
unsheltered
community
and
I
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
sometimes,
while
we're
talking
about
our
unsheltered
community,
it
is
not
to
put
a
spotlight
on
that
Community,
but
they
are
often
the
folks
that
we
most
have
touch
points
as
someone
in
HHS
who
is
smarter
than
I
am
said
that
there
are
lots
of
folks
who
are
using
meth
in
other
places,
but
they
are
doing
so
in
the
privacy
of
their
own
home.
C
So
addiction
is
happening,
certainly
everywhere,
but
we
are
seeing
it
more
with
our
unsheltered
community.
Just
because
those
are
the
immediate
touch
points
that
we
have
and
to
that
end,
I'll
invite
Joe.
You
heard
a
little
bit
recently
about
the
impact
that
we're
seeing
both
in
our
field
work
and
in
our
city
facilities,
so
Joe
tediuchi,
maybe
I'll,
ask
you
to
address
and
as
we
go
through
some
of
those
departments
that
are
seeing
that
firsthand.
I
Thank
you
Nuria
and
good
evening.
Council
and
I'm
Joe
tadayucci
I'm,
the
director
of
our
utilities
department
and
our
our
department
handles
the
cleanup
work
associated
with
the
unsanctioned
camping
in
the
city,
and
we
presented
the
city
council
just
a
few
weeks
ago
on
a
and
provided
an
update
on
our
public
spaces.
Work
and
I
mentioned
it
then,
and
I'll
just
reiterate
tonight
from
our
team's
Vantage
Point,
who
who's
out
in
the
field
each
week.
I
Addiction
is
really
one
of
the
primary
reasons
that
people
kind
of
get
stuck
in
the
cycle
living
outside
and
a
lot
of
common
themes.
From
my
report
from
what
you
heard
from
the
prior
speakers,
and
there
are
a
couple
of
photos
on
the
slide
that
are
really
common
seams
during
our
cleanup
in
the
last
year,
we've
collected
5600
needles
as
part
of
our
cleanup
work
and,
and
we've
just
generally
been
seeing
needles
increasing
over
time.
I
One
thing
that
I
I
want
to
clarify
about
the
needles
is
that
the
the
majority
of
them
were
finding
in
the
tents
and
and
the
people
who
are
camping
have
have
their
own
way
of
collecting
and
kind
of
storing
them.
So
when
you
see
that
5600
number
those
are
in
terms
of
Public
Safety,
those
generally
are
not
strewn
all
over
the
ground.
There's
a
small
amount
of
that,
but
they're
mostly
in
people's
possession
and
then
as
part
of
our
process.
I
A
couple
other
things,
I'll
mention
the
themes
from
our
cleanup
work.
Again.
You
heard
some
of
this
from
other
speakers,
but
there's
a
big
difference
in
the
interactions
that
we're
having
with
the
people
who
are
camping
depending
on
whether
or
not
in
that
moment
that
we're
interacting
with
them
whether
they're
under
the
influence,
and
we
also
see
a
lot
of
hoarding
Behavior
as
as
Megan
mentioned
a
few
slides
ago.
P
Joe
David
farnan
with
the
library
and
I
just
want
to
stay
on
the
same
slide.
If
you
don't
mind
so
I
just
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
the
library
which
was
well
covered
and
extensively
covered
in
the
media,
so
the
cost
for
cleanup
the
meth
contamination
library
was
right
around
153
000,
that
was
for
testing
remediation
and
the
Reconstruction
of
the
main
bathrooms
at
the
main
library,
those
libraries
restrooms,
a
majority
of
the
main
library.
Restaurants
are
closed
for
months.
P
P
P
We
reopened
the
library
bathrooms
I
believe
two
weeks
ago.
It
is
with
restricted
access.
We
have
a
guard
stationed
at
the
door.
Library
users
are
not
allowed
to
take
any
items
into
the
bathroom
unless
it's
something
that
can
fit
in
the
palm
of
their
hand,
no
bottles.
It's
a
little
bit.
You.
P
Little
bit
like
the
Airport
TSA-
hopefully
not
quite
no
extreme,
but
it's
gone
well
so
far
and
just
to
reiterate
on
a
question
of
the
camp
earlier,
we
are
not.
We
have
not
looked
at
P
alert,
but
we
have
looked
at
a
number
of
different
systems
for
meth
alarms,
we've
even
received
bids
some
meth
alarms,
those
for
all
the
bathrooms
within
the
library
systems,
quite
closely.
P
Six
figures
to
do
them
and
I
and
I
do
also
believe
that
we
probably
need
a
simpler
solution
and
it's
a
the
solution
that
we
were
looking
at
is
somewhat
over.
Engineered
I
guess
is
the
best
way.
I
could
put
it
it's
kind
of
a
combination
of
a
an
Apple
Watch
and
one
of
those
SOS
alert
systems
that
you
people
wear.
Who
may
need
to
have
alarms,
go
to
a
report.
P
They
are
unconscious
or
something
like
that,
but
that
that
is
probably
a
solution
that
said
over
engineered
solution
for
what
we
need
in
the
library.
What
we
need
is
a
probably
more
of
a
system
like
P
alert
that
we
could
that's
simply
for
Matthews
and
or
drug
use.
Any
kind
of
carbon
displacement
alarm
could
help
fill
the
need,
but
I'll
move
on
to
the
next
slide:
I'm,
not
sure
who
I'm
handing
it
off
to
I.
Q
Good
evening
folks,
Ali
Rhodes,
director
of
Parks
and
Recreation
and
I
do
I
have
similar
things
to
what
you
have
been
hearing.
What
I'll
add
is
that
the
issues
we're
seeing
in
our
restrooms
have
a
significant
impact
for
many
in
our
community.
The
restrooms
that
are
in
public
parks
are
their
only
place
for
a
private
restroom
and
the
vandalism
that
we're
seeing
has
meant
that
some
of
our
restrooms
are
closed
more
often
than
they're
open.
We
have
tried
to
mitigate
this
with
many
measures.
Q
The
picture
on
the
right
is
a
grinder
that
has
been
installed.
We
have
Sharps
Containers
in
memory
of
our
locations.
Well,
not
highlighted
on
this
slide.
We
did
mention
it
at
your
safe
and
managed
public
spaces
updates
and
I
will
just
add.
Like
my
colleague,
Mr
tarayuchi,
that
there
has
been
a
positive
impact,
we
have
worked
with
Boulder
County
Public
Health
and
have
two
very
large
industrial
Sharps
Containers
in
our
downtown
spaces,
and
they
have
been
very
successful.
Q
Anecdotally,
our
team
reports
finding
fewer
needles
in
places
where
they
shouldn't
be
and
based
on
the
weight
of
the
collections
that
have
been
tracked.
We
think
about
68
000
needles
have
been
safely
disposed
in
those
sites
in
the
downtown
area
across
the
park
system,
we're
working
with
colleagues
in
facilities
to
make
some
changes
to
ventilation
systems.
Learning
from
the
experience
at
the
library
at
our
recreation
centers,
we
have
made
some
operational
changes
to
minimize
both
opportunities
for
illegal
use
in
our
private
changing
areas,
but
also
to
prevent
there's
a
lot
of
risk
to
others.
Q
Should
there
be
an
accidental
overdose
in
a
private
space,
so
we
have
implemented
time
limits
and
staff
are
being
redirected
to
monitor
use
of
those
Cabanas.
We
also
are
working
more
closely
with
some
of
our
partners
where
we
had
provided
pretty
free
and
clear
access
through
our
requity
Health
Equity
program
access
to
the
recreation
centers.
We
now
are
asking
those
Partners
to
work
with
us
to
help
manage
access
so
that
folks
are
following
our
rules,
and
mostly
we've
had
some
really
nice
success
in
the
CMOS
transition
with
some
of
those
partners.
C
Thank
you
next
slide
all
right
and
then
I
will
Joanne
I,
don't
know
if
if
you're
gonna
start
us
off,
but
really
thinking
about
what
does
that
look
like
for
folks
that
are
working
in
the
field
and
working
across
our
buildings
as
well?
C
And
we
promise
we
will
be
ending
soon
because
I
suspect,
there's
conversation,
but
I
do
hope
that
you're,
seeing
how
not
just
the
bleakness
of
a
complex
problem
but
how
we
are
adapting
and
working
with
partners
and
trying
to
come
up
with
Solutions
as
we
continue
to
investigate
additional
ways
to
support
those
that
are
going
through
horrible
addiction,
Joanna.
R
Yeah,
thank
you.
I'm
Joanna,
Korean,
director
of
facilities
and
Fleet,
and
a
lot
has
been
covered
and
I
am
the
last
person,
with
only
two
slides,
so
be
real,
quick
just
to
add
to
what
David
was
mentioning
in
terms
of
cost.
For
the
last
year
we
have
seen
about
60
000,
in
addition
to
the
153
000
spent
related
to
vandalism
and
other
cleanup
issues
associated
with
our
unsheltered
and
illicit
drug
use.
R
We
have
unfortunately
seen
as
folks
were
talking
about
the
more
aggressive
behavior
and,
as
a
result,
toilet's
broken
and
and
significantly
broken
by
meaning
they're
kicked
off
the
the
walls,
locks
glued
and
destroyed,
broken
windows
fires.
All
of
that
is
captured
in
some
of
the
pictures
on
the
slide,
and
then
we've
also
had
to
change
some
of
our
procedures
with
contractors
needing
to
be
escorted
because
of
some
of
the
unsheltered
activity,
fees
and
safety
issues,
and
then
last
slide
next
slide.
R
So,
just
in
terms
of
some
of
the
impacts
related
to
the
staff
part
on
the
aggressive
nature,
we
are
having
more
challenges
with
some
of
the
staff
that
are
moving
between
buildings
and
around
the
buildings
in
the
field
and
then
highlighting
a
little
bit
more
on
the
restroom
side.
We,
as
I
think
was
mentioned
actually
by
the
county
with
custodial
services
and
trying
to
increase,
increase
our
cleaning.
R
We
have
unfortunately
dealt
with
some
more
threatening
behavior
by
those
that
they
encounter
and
we've
had
a
number
of
unfortunate
interactions
and
now
we're
dealing
with
some
more
challenges
on
the
staff,
burnout
and
retention,
both
with
the
staff
that
are
in
that
situation,
as
well
as
our
contractors,
and
on
that
note,
I
will
turn
it
back
to
Nuria.
Thank.
C
You
Joanna
and
I,
don't
know
if
you
can
bring
the
slides
down.
I
want
to
turn
it
over
to
you,
council,
member
folkerts,
but
I
again.
I
hope
what
you're
seeing
is
is
really
adaptability
and
a
very
complex
problem.
It
is
impacting
what
we're
doing
on
so
many
different
levels
and
I
hope
that
we
continue
to
find
Solutions,
not
every,
and
while
we
have
highlighted
a
lot
again
a
lot
of
the
work
we
have
done
with
our
unhoused
community
I
really
want
to
lift
up
that.
C
Not
all
who
are
unhoused
have
are
struggling
with
addiction.
Not
all
who
are
struggling
with
addiction
are
unhoused,
and
so
what
we
are
working
through
is
we
maneuver
are
just
those
contact
points
that
we
have
and,
as
we
think
about
both
the
shift
that
we
are
seeing
that
really
what
we're
seeing
with
meth
is
a
change
in
behavior
that
this
addiction
sort
of
brings
forward
in
ways
that,
perhaps
in
previous
years
and
decades,
we
had
not
seen-
and
that
is
really
shifting
a
bit.
C
How
we're
thinking
about
Solutions,
how
we're
thinking
about
our
service
offerings,
how
we're
thinking
about
our
facilities
so
I
turn
it
over
to
you,
council,
member.
B
Thank
you
Nuria,
and
thank
you
for
that
very
multifaceted
presentation.
I,
don't
think
I've
ever
seen
so
many
directors
involved
in
a
single
presentation
on
a
single
topic.
B
G
I
do
and
yeah
I
know
kudos
to
staff
that
that
was
an
incredibly
comprehensive
and
wide-ranging
presentation
and
it
all
really
Blended
together.
So
thank
you
for
that.
I
have
a
few
questions
and
I'm
not
totally
sure
who
in
here
is
going
to
be
the
best
poised
to
answer
them
so
I'll
leave
it
all
up
to
you.
All.
We've
got
some
other
drugs
coming
up
right.
We've
seen
real
increases
in
fentanyl
in
the
last
couple
of
years.
Tranq
is
kind
of
the
newer
one.
G
This
is
all
going
to
make
overdoses
a
lot
more
frequent
and
what
does
that
mean
for
our
First
Responders
and
their
capacity
to
kind
of
respond
to
other
health
emergencies,
something
heart
attacks,
right,
traffic
accidents,
that
kind
of
thing?
If
we
are
now
to
a
point
where
we're
seeing
you
know,
maybe
an
overdose
a
day
or
a
couple
a
week,
what
happens
as
the
drugs
that
are
coming
lead
to
more
overdoses?
And
is
that
anything
we
need
to
start
thinking
about.
C
All
in
but
I
know
we've
got
the
chief
calderazzo
here
as
well.
I'll
get
it
started
and
see
if
anyone
else
wants
to
chime
in,
but
I
think
part
of
what
we're
going
to
be
doing
is
tracking
it,
because
what
that
may
mean
is
that
we're
going
to
need
more
personnel
and
more
resources
in
the
future.
C
I
will
also
say
that
I
I
think
the
work
that
BPD
does
in
partnership
with
a
task
force
to
try
to
get
to
and
prevent
drugs
from
coming
into.
Our
community
is
really
critical
as
well,
because
if
we
can
prevent
sort
of
the
supply
issue,
then
hopefully
we
can
reduce
that,
but
we
don't
always
have
control
over
what
that
looks
like,
and
we
will
then
have
to
shift
over
to
other
forms
of
response.
E
E
I
know
that
our
homeless
Navigators
are
now
carrying
naloxone
and
I
believe
that
there
are
many
other
people
working
sort
of
on
the
ground
in
the
city
who
are
doing
that
as
well.
So
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
be
exclusively
the
first
responder
community
and
for
the
unhoused
community
in
particular.
Quite
a
few
of
them
also
have
that
in
their
possession
and
are
using
it
on
each
other.
C
So
I
I
see
the
text
and,
and
unfortunately,
Chief
I
know
that
you're
having
some
technical
difficulties,
but
it
so
happens
that
you
and
I
have
been
talking
about
this
at
our
one
on
one
today
and
I
know
that
as
we're
seeing
horse
tranquilizers
come
into
the
system.
What
we
know
is
that
Narcan
doesn't
work
on
that,
and
so
we
will
be
continuing
to
work
with
our
Public
Health
Partners
to
see
what
we
can
do,
but
it
will
end
up
resulting
in
more
calls
for
service.
C
It
will
end
up,
unfortunately,
depending
on
how
quickly
we
can
arrive
to
save
a
person's
life.
What
we
may
see
is
more
overdoses,
if
we're
not
able
to
use
something,
a
tool
like
Narcan
in
the
immediate
future,
so
I
believe
that
all
of
us,
whether
it
is
the
city
of
Boulder
or
Boulder,
County,
Public,
Health
or
our
partners,
we
will
continue
to
talk
about
education
and
awareness
and
hopefully
lifting
up
programs
that
can
help
people
who
are
struggling
with
the
really
real
impacts
of
addiction
it.
C
It
is
a
hard
thing
to
simply
say:
oh
I'm
done
with
addiction
now
and
move
forward
right.
That's
where
again,
programs
are
important.
Unstable
housing,
as
Lucy
mentioned,
is
super
important
as
well
as
we
moved
on.
I
see
Deputy
Chief,
Red
Fern
has
his
hand
up.
S
Lincoln
evening
Council,
deputy
chief
Steve
Redford
and
Boulder
PD,
one
thing
I
want
to
note
in
this
and
we're
seeing
an
increase,
especially
in
about
the
last
couple
years
of
violence
against
our
First
Responders
on
people
who
are
under
the
headphones
of
these
sorts
of
Narcotics
we're
seeing
even
when
we
revive
someone
with
Narcan
they're
disoriented,
and
they
will
they
will
assault
our
Personnel
Fire
EMS.
S
So
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out
and
then
the
second
point
I
wanted
to
just
share
with
you
is
I
got
a
stat
yesterday
from
the
commander
with
the
drug
task
force.
Since
council
member
spear
was
referencing,
xylazine
or
Frank.
Their
estimate
now
is
about
20
of
the
fentanyl
that
they
are
seizing
is
containing
tranq
and
it's
a
large
animal
tranquilizer,
as
you
may
know,
and
so
super
concerning
there
and
and
we're
also
seeing
in
Chief.
Calderon
would
probably
share
this
as
well
we're
seeing
where
it
will
take
several
doses.
G
I
go
on
to
my
my
next
one.
Yes
thank
you
and
Nuria.
You
know
you
talked
about
how
addiction
I
apologize.
My
dogs
have
just
decided
to
go
nuts,
but
if
you
can
hear
them
they're
saying
hello,
you
talked
a
little
bit
about
how
addiction
is
not
just
an
issue
and
a
house.
Do
we
have
any
sense
of
how
many
people
who
are
housed
and
have
not
they're,
not
sort
of
housed
after
being
unhoused
who
are
using
meth
Fentanyl
and
these
kinds
of
drugs
in
our
community.
C
I,
don't
have
that
information
off
I,
don't
know
if
the
team
does
and
I
don't
want
to
put
them
on
the
spot.
So
unless
somebody
opens
up
their
screen,
I'm
gonna
assume
we
don't
have
that
right
now.
I,
don't
know
that
we
could
even
estimate
how
many
people
are
struggling
with
addiction
behind
closed
doors.
Lucy
I
see
you
coming
up,
and
maybe
you
have
a
better
response
and
if
there's
more
information
that
we
can
provide
council
members
afterwards,
we
can.
We
can
do
that
as
well.
Lucy.
O
Yeah,
thank
you
for
that
question.
Council
member
I.
It
is
a
tough
question
to
answer
right
because
sort
of
we
don't
know
what
we
don't
know.
If
people
are
using
substances
in
the
Privacy,
their
own
home,
you
know
we
may
never
know
about
it.
I
I
do
appreciate
the
city
managers
comments
that
this
this
is.
This
is
certainly
not
simply
a
homeless
issue.
O
We
did
analyze
we're
still
in
the
process
of
analyzing
our
2022
data,
but
we
did
some
analysis
so
there's
a
few
different
ways
that
we've
looked
at
it
in
the
data
that
we
collect.
We,
we
collect
data
on
what's
kind
of
the
presenting
concern
in
that
situation.
O
That
particular
call
we're
responding
to
and
when
we
look
at
that
subset
of
data,
it
seems
when
we're
talking
about
methamphetamine
use,
it's
generally
about
70,
unhoused
and
25,
housed
with
15
of
that
house
population
that
we've
identified
they're
at
risk
for
losing
their
housing
and
generally
they're
at
risk
for
losing
their
housing
because
of
their
methamphetamine
use
in
their
home.
And
unfortunately,
we
have
had
several
situations
like
that.
Where
we
we
have
seen
people
lose
their
housing
because
of
continued
meth
use
in
their
home.
O
However,
when
we
analyze
the
data
by
just
looking
at
where
situations
where
meth
or
Methamphetamine
was
mentioned,
in
our
clinical
note,
we
got
a
larger
data
set
and
in
that
data
set,
it
was
actually
a
closer
number
of
about
40,
unhoused,
I,
think
35
housed.
There
was
a
sort
of
I
think
17,
that's
unknown.
So
that's
part
of
the
clean
cleanup
we
need
to
do
to
see
where
that'll
end
up
Landing,
but
it
I
think
it's.
O
It
is
it's
a
little
difficult
to
say
in
terms
of
the
population,
that's
housed
in
using
meth
how
what
number
of
them
were
previously
unhoused.
We
I,
don't
think
we
have
a
good
way
right
now
of
tracking
that
data
I
think
anecdotally.
What
I
would
say
is
generally
we
see
that
in
populations
that
have
been
formally
unhoused.
G
Thank
you
and
then
Lucy,
while
you're
here
I,
do
have
a
question
that
I
think
is
probably
one
for
you.
You
know
we're
seeing
skyrocketing
rates
of
mental
illnesses,
also
a
lot
of
increases
in
economic
insecurity.
Both
of
these
things
correlate
pretty
strongly
with
substance
use
right,
so
is
it
kind
of
a
if
we're
seeing
these
increases
and
mental
health
and
and
poverty
and
economic
insecurity?
Now?
G
O
An
interesting
question
I
think
what
I
would
say
when
I
think,
especially
about
the
the
population
of
folks
that
I
and
our
team,
the
team
interacts
with
who
are
using
substances,
I
I
generally
think
about
there's
a
lot
of
childhood
drama,
a
lot
of
everybody.
We
can
talk
about
them
in
terms
of
adverse
childhood
experiences,
and
certainly
poverty
is
part
of
that.
You
know:
Financial
insecurity,
food
insecurity,
witnessing
violence.
O
You
know
having
caregivers
that
neglected
you
or
were
not
emotionally
attuned.
All
of
these
things
right,
I
I,
think
that
that
is
a
huge
factor
in
the
our
unhoused
unsheltered
unhoused
population,
who
are
substance
using
as
well
as
many
for
many
other
people
who
are
who
are
substance
using
who
are
housed
so
I
I,
certainly
think
about
it
in
terms
of
I,
generally
think
about
things
in
a
Trauma
from
a
trauma
lens.
O
That's
that's
where,
over
the
course
of
my
clinical
experience,
that's
where
I
see
a
lot
of
things
coming
down
too
so
I
I,
think
in
terms
of
like
increasing
rates.
O
That's
something
I
see
and
also
why
I'm
I'm
excited
that
the
city
is
is
doing
a
universal
basic
income
pilot,
because
I
I
do
see
that
as
a
an
upstream
intervention
that
does
start
to
address
some
of
these
social
determinants
of
Health.
G
Infern
or
Dr
Reinhard,
and
it's
just
a
question
around
you
know
thinking
about
these
changes
that
happened
in
2019
with
regard
to
ticketing
versus
jailing.
Folks,
who
who
have
substances,
are
there
I
assume,
there's
plenty
of
states
that
didn't
do
this
and
what
are
they
seeing
in
terms
of
outcomes?
Are
they
in
a
better
spot
than
we
are
in
terms
of
outcomes?
G
Is
it
similar?
Do
we
do?
We
have
any
basis
of
comparison
there,
because
the
pandemic
sort
of
mix
with
the
data
and
things.
S
K
Yeah
Nicole-
that
was
a
really
good
last
question
that
you
asked
I
would
like
to
hear
about
that.
K
So
I
had
the
opportunity
to
be
on
the
phone
with
Sam
Quinones
today
who
wrote
the
book
on
meth
and
Fentanyl
first
I
read
the
book.
Then
somehow
I
was
able
to
talk
to
him.
It
was
like
a
dream,
even
though
it's
all
very
depressing.
It
was
still
you
know.
It
was
a
dream
in
the
sense
of
what
I
learned.
So
my
quest
I
do
have
questions.
K
I'll
keep
the
comments
for
later,
but
my
first
question
is:
is
it
seems
to
me
that
there's
not
really
current
treatment
for
math,
it's
also
like
a
slow
deterioration,
but
it
hooks
onto
your
brain
so
much
that
you
are
determined
to
get
more,
which
makes
it
very
difficult.
If
there's
not
any
chemicals
that
can
help
people
get
off
method,
it
makes
it
difficult
almost
impossible.
K
According
to
what
you
guys
all
said
tonight,
so
for
the
70
on
house
that
are
struggling
with
meth
addiction
with
no
way
out
do
we
have
any
plans
that
we've
seen
something
working
to
me.
It
seems
like
we
to
get
them
away
from
meth.
The
only
thing
that
they
can
do
is
to
detox,
which
they
can't
use
detox
units
right
because
ours,
because
you
can't
have
mental
illness,
so
the
only
way
would
be
to
detox
for
a
long
period
of
time
and
be
away
from
the
Allure
of
Meth.
C
I'll
see
if
Lucy
or
Megan
want
to
talk
in
Lucy
I
see
you
put,
you
showed
your
screen.
O
Yeah,
thank
you,
council
member
weiner,
so
it
sounds
like
your
question
is
essentially
like
what
what
options
are
available
right
now.
What.
K
Options
are
available
and
what
option
can
we
make
it
capable?
So
obviously
everybody
challenges
tonight
that
did.
That
was
the
number
one
word
used
by
staff.
So
so
what
I
always
like
to
think
of
solutions?
Two,
and
so
in
this
book
that
I
read
there
were
certain
air.
There
were
certain
places,
especially
those
that
were
hit
by
the
opiate
crisis
like
Kentucky
and
West
Virginia
that
have
been
working
on
this
problem.
A
long
time
now
granted
meth
took
over
as
the
number
one
drug.
K
For
many
reasons,
the
supply
is
incredibly
large,
almost
non-stop
for
the
synthetic
drugs
that
are
out
there
now.
So
there
are
some
places
that
I've
seen
a
little
bit
of
success.
Of
course,
that
success
takes
a
lot
of
time
and
people
do
you
know
regress
and
then
have
to
try
again
to
get
off
meth
like
quite
a
lot
Maybe
over
and
over
again.
K
So
it
will
be
good
if
we
could
knew
that
this
this
we
don't
have
a
solution,
but
if
we
can
find
a
place
for
people
to
detox
for
six
months
a
year,
however
long
it
takes,
that
might
be
the
only
way
out
for
them.
As
of
now
yeah.
O
So
I
mean
I
would
say
right,
like
the
county
is
working
on
their
behavioral
health
roadmap
and
and
one
of
the
convenience
has
been
specifically
on
methamphetamine
use,
so
that
I
believe
there
will
be
some
specific
recommendations
coming
out
about
that
later
this
summer,
and
certainly
I
I
happen
to
be
part
of
that
group
and
and
many
people
were
speaking
about
the
need
for
more
residential
treatment
that,
especially
for
folks
who
have
Medicaid.
O
O
That's
that's
kind
of
you
know
the
American
Society
of
addiction,
medicine,
Asam,
has
criteria
for
different
levels
of
care,
for
addiction,
treatment
and
detox
is
just
one
of
those,
but
then
they
they
can
go
into
many
different
paths
after
that,
depending
on,
if
there
are
co-occurring
psychiatric
needs
medical
needs,
you
know
if
they
need
a
pretty
structured
residential
setting
I.
So
so
there
are
kind
of
like
some
well-defined
workflows
about
how
that
should
happen.
Now
you
know
in
terms
of
like
what's
accessible
to
people
and
what
has
availability.
O
That
is
something
we
are
very
challenged
with
in
this
state.
We
just
don't.
We
don't
have
the
treatment
infrastructure
to
support
the
need,
what
I
would
say
just
anecdotally
from
the
an
admittedly
very
few
stories
of
people
who
have
achieved
some
amount
of
recovery
from
methamphetamine
is,
is
actually
there's,
there's
a
fair
amount
of
variability
in
how
they
did
it.
So
I
also
want
to
say
that,
like
recovery
from
addiction
is
a
personal
process,
I
I
think
it's
hard
to
say.
O
Like
here's
one
thing
and
it's
going
to
work
for
everybody,
there
are
different
Pathways,
but
yeah
I
mean
I
I.
Could
I
could
speak
to
some
of
the
specific
examples?
If
that's
helpful,
but
I
know
that
I
mean
I.
Think
when
I
fantasize
about
what
you
know,
what
could
we
do
about
having
you
know
having
sort
of
that
long-term
treatment
that
steps
people
down
through
various
levels
of
care,
starting
from
more
structured
to
less
structures,
so
that
people,
you
know
start
to
like
bring
their
own
life,
makes
their
own
life
in
with
treatment?
O
K
Yeah,
so
if
you
were
Queen
for
a
Day,
that's
what
you
would
do.
Yeah
I
agree
with
you
on
that.
So
that
brings
me
to
the
housing
part
of
this
I.
I
guess
I've
had
Rumblings
over
the
past
year
that
somehow
we're
combining
I
get
that
housing.
First
is
great
I'm,
not
saying
it
isn't
great,
but
the
answer
to
addiction
is
not
obviously
not
just
housing.
K
So
we
have
this
problem,
like
I've
mentioned
quite
a
few
times
where
we're
putting
people
that
are
addicted
and
have
those
co-occurring
disorders
into
our
housing,
affordable
housing
units
and
it's
creating
Havoc,
but
not
only
is
it
creating
a
habit
for
the
neighbors
but
they're,
also
not
getting
enough
help
that
they
need
either.
K
So
in
my
Queen
for
a
Day
world,
it
would
be
to
have
a
way
for
us
to
put
those
people
not
there,
but
to
have
transitional
housing
that
we
don't
have
yet
or
that
we
don't
have
enough
of,
is
Megan
your
mind.
Is
there
anything
in
my
dream
that
this
could
possibly
be
happening
so
that
we
don't
keep
doing
what
we
know?
K
K
This
whole
situation
is
just
a
few
years
old
and
getting
worse
so
I
feel
like
it's
almost
like
an
emergency,
or
maybe
it
is
one
I
know:
I,
don't
wanna
I,
don't
want
to
be
what
do
I
usually
do
I
just
talking
to
curl
tips,
so
I
don't
want
to
do
that,
but
it's
almost
an
emergency
that
we
have
a
plan
for
housing
and
for
affordable
housing.
That
is
different
than
the
way
we've
been
going.
So
any
thoughts
team.
N
Go
ahead,
I'm
more
than
happy,
if
you
want
to
but
I,
would
just
as
a
very
good
question
right.
The
things
we
struggle
with,
like
the
the
main
philosophy
around
housing
first,
is
that
folks
don't
need
services
to
get
ready
for
housing.
They
need
housing
to
get
ready
for
services
that,
if
they're
living
in
the
street
they're
living
under
bridges,
if
they're
living
in
the
emergency,
shelter,
we're
159
other
people
are
also
using.
The
likelihood
for
sobriety
is
no,
so
that's
the
I,
that's
the
overall
philosophy
of
getting
people
stable
and
then
addressing
the
services.
N
So
I
think
that
what
we've
been
looking
at
are
you
know
what
we
have
available?
Do
we
increase
the
services
to
folks
who
we
do
house
and
so
not
a
case
manager
who
sees
them
once
every
two
weeks,
but
a
case
manager
sees
them
multiple
times
a
week,
but
the
conversations
that
also
are
happening
currently
around
this
are
folks
who
do
go
to
treatment.
Folks
who
do
like
I
would
support
it,
but
get
sober
in
jail
where
they
are
doing
well.
N
We
see
them
and
it's
night
and
day
it's
like
somebody
I've
seen
every
day
for
a
year
and
then
they're
in
jail
for
six
months
and
they
I'm,
like
wow,
totally
different
person.
Do
we
have
the
support
services
in
place
where
they
can
go
from
A
to
B
and
maintain
that,
as
opposed
to
going
back
to
the
street
and
just
starting
the
cycle
all
over
again?
N
K
So
then
do
we
have
options
for
do
we
have
anything
on
the
horizon
for
so
sober
residences,
I
know,
we've
talked
about
this
before
somebody
gets,
is
in
jail
and,
let's
say
they're
doing
well,
because
they
actually
have
programs
in
jail.
I
think
that
you
have
to
be
there
so
meth
is
so
overwhelming
that
you're
not
going
to
say
to
yourself.
Oh
usually
you
don't
say
to
yourself:
oh
I,
think
I'm
going
to
just
admit
myself
and
get
treatment
because
the
drug
just
draws
you
back.
So
when
jelly
you
have
to
be
there.
K
N
I
think
that's
what
we're
looking
at
tribe
recovery
today,
okay,
but
that's
really
really
what
how
many
people
yeah
it's
like
eight
to
ten
in
the
one
house,
but
we're
trying
to
expand
it
to
two
to
three
houses
but
again,
yes,
you're,
correct
I!
Think
we
will
need
to
continue
to
expand
yeah.
That's
all
my
questions
for.
K
C
C
What
would
we
look
like?
What
are
the
different
levers
that
we
would
use
to
address
the
situation
and
it
is?
It
is
sort
of
some
of
the
efforts
that
we're
doing
with
tribe
recovery
homes.
It
is
really
thinking
about
how
to
prevent
Supply
from
coming
in
it
is.
How
do
we
continue
to
provide
more
Mental,
Health
Services
and
treat
Addiction
in
a
different
ways?
C
There's
so
many
different
things
that
we
certainly
will
be
exploring
the
transitional
housing
that
we
plan
to
have
as
part
of
the
day,
shelter,
I,
think
that
is
another
or
the
day,
Services
Center
I
think
that's
another
place
to
think
about
as
we're
doing
that
and
and
our
commitment
is
to
continue
to
coming
to
council
and
share.
C
T
I'm,
so
sorry,
can
you
hear
me?
Yep
I
just
cannot
see
you,
but
we
can
hear
you
good
good,
I'm
glad
you
can't
see
me
I
just
wanted
to.
Could
you
introduce
yourself?
Yes,
so
I'm
Gabi,
hopefully
with
Boulder
County,
Public
Health
I,
do
all
the
meth
sampling
and
clearance
reviews
for
the
county,
so
you'll
see
my
name
on
any
of
the
meth
affected
property
letters,
but
to
Tara's
question.
T
T
You
know
obviously
recuperate
and
they
will
have
on-site
care
where
they
live.
So
I
thought
you
know.
I
thought
it
was
important
that
you
knew
that
thanks
Gabby
sure.
C
And
I
think,
as
we
continue
I
think
Lexi
mentioned
too
the
this
summer.
Hopefully
the
release
of
the
behavioral
roadmap
like
thinking
about
those
strategies
and
what's
needed
there
I
think
all
of
that
ties
together.
C
I
know,
as
we
are
part
of
the
regional
opioid
Council,
there
are
strategies
that
are
being
thought
of
there
that,
hopefully,
will
be
able
to
with
the
settlement
dollars
bring
in
some
more
resources
and
as
that
sort
of
comes
into
more
Focus,
my
commitment
is
to
come
back
to
council
and
share
where
that
is
going
and
give
you
an
update
on
that
as
well.
C
So
all
good
all
good
questions
and
we
will
continue
to
to
a
work
on
the
issue
ourselves,
continue
to
keep
you
apprised
and
continue
to
shift
our
services
to
meet
what
his
becoming
a
really
complex
crisis.
B
F
Quick
plug
for
a
community
meeting
an
opportunity
for
the
community
to
find
provide
feedback
on
the
County
Behavioral.
Health
roadmap
will
be
on
June
14th
and
we're
happy
to
forward
that
information
to
the
city
to
help
us
get
people
there
to
make
sure
that
we
are
capturing
feedback
and
thoughts
about
the
roadmap.
G
A
question
for
the
county-
it's
just
and
I-
can
make
it
fast,
so
some
of
the
indigenous
communities
have
been
dealing
with
meth
addiction.
For
decades
there
there
was
an
exhibit
at
the
history
Colorado
Center
on
the
Sand
Creek
Massacre.
They
had
a
t-shirt
from
2006.
G
That
was
a
a
war
against
math
t-shirt
right
and
I'm,
just
wondering
if,
especially
in
some
of
our
connections
with
some
of
the
tribes
and
peoples
in
the
area,
have
we
asked
any
of
them
for
what
what
practices
may
be
working
in
in
communities,
because
it's
just
it's
a
place
that
has
been
severely
under-resourced
and
overwhelmed
by
meth
addiction
for
decades
and
just
seems
like
a
place
to
try
to
get
some
good
ideas.
There
too,.
F
We
are
working
on
looking
at
a
number
of
different
priority
populations,
folks
that
are
particularly
impacted
by
different
issues.
Thanks
for
that
note,
I
will
make
sure
that
that
feedback
is
incorporated
appreciate
it.
B
Thank
you
Lexi,
and
everyone
who
joined
us
for
that
difficult
topic.
Our
next
item
on
our
list
or
discussion
is:
are
policy
discussion
related
to
La
gas-powered
landscaping
equipment.
Thank.
A
B
U
Great
thanks
and
if
I
could
ask
either
Alicia
or
Emily
to
promote
the
three
folks
with
agza
in
their
names,
as
well
as
Elizabeth
French
with
Boulder
County,
who
are
with
us.
While
we
do
some
introductions.
So
thank
you
and
thanks
everybody
for
for
joining
us
and
I.
Honestly.
I
just
want
to
take
a
moment
to
just
really
appreciate
my
colleagues,
both
at
the
city
and
Boulder
County
for
they're
just
amazing
work.
U
I
mean
this
is
a
powerful
conversation
to
listen
to
and
I
I
just
truly
appreciate
everybody
and
just
wanted
to
take
that
moment
before
we
start
on
this
topic.
So
thank
you
again
and
thank
you.
I'm
Carolyn,
Elam
I'm,
a
senior
sustainability
manager
in
our
climate
initiatives,
department
and
I
manage
our
Energy
Systems
and
air
quality
work
and
I'm
here
to
talk
to
you
tonight
about
a
project
we
started
last
year
on
in
response
to
counseling
communities,
requests
to
really
look
at
our
landscaping
equipment
and
the
impacts.
U
It's
having
just
want
to
introduce
our
team,
and
it
looks
like
we
still
have
a
couple
that
need
to
be
promoted.
If
we
could
why
we're
joining
us,
but
I'll.
U
Just
introduce
you,
we
have
a
City
team,
I'm
supported
by
Karen
Murph,
who
many
of
you
know
who's
been
helping
to
project
manage
this
as
well
as
Emily
Sandoval,
who
is
leading
our
engagement
work,
but
I
also
want
to
call
out
Elizabeth
French,
who
is
my
colleague
at
Boulder
County,
who
has
been
doing
helping
us
with
a
lot
of
the
business
engagement
and
standing
up
our
pilot
voucher
program,
and
then
I
want
to
also
take
a
moment
to
introduce
our
amazing
Consulting
team,
which
is
the
American
green
zone,
Alliance
and
so
I'm,
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Dan
for
a
second
in
just
a
second,
because
I
see,
Alicia
has
her
hand
up.
V
U
I
want
to
turn
it
over
to
Dan
to
introduce
himself
and
his
team,
because
I
wanted
to
give
him
a
little
chance
to
share
some
of
his
background
and
his
journey
to
forming
the
American
green
zone
Alliance
and
how
he
came
to
then
work
with
the
city
so
Dan.
If
you
want
to
thank
him.
Thank
you
so
much
for
taking
the
time
with
us
tonight.
W
Yeah
sure
thank
you
for
that
Carolyn
good
evening,
council,
members
and
and
the
Boulder
Community.
My
name
is
Dan
Mabe
and
I'm,
the
founder
and
president
of
the
American
green
zone,
Alliance
otherwise
known
as
agsa
agsa,
officially
formed
in
2014,
and
we
are
a
group
of
industry,
landscape,
industry,
folks
who
worked
institutionally
and
also
had
our
own
businesses
using
conventional
type
of
methods,
which
is
gas
equipment
and
conventional,
like
fertilizers,
pesticides,
herbicides
and
such
for
some
crazy
reason.
W
I
decided
way
back
in
2004
to
go
a
completely
different
direction,
but
I
do
want
to
say
that
we
do
specialize
in
Workforce,
Education
and
Training
data
and
lytics,
and
this
is
all
for
the
landscape
maintenance
industry.
A
little
bit
about
my
personal
background,
I
started
in
this
industry
very,
very
young
by
happenstance,
where
the
man
of
the
house
happened
to
be
a
high
volume
Gardener
as
a
very
young
kid
I
spent
my
Summers
and
my
weekends
doing
this
line
of
work.
W
Of
course,
with
these
conventional
methods
fast
forwarding
to
after
I
had
my
own
gas
business
for
a
while.
As
an
adult
I
said,
you
know
what,
after
some
interactions
about
noise
that
were
not
really
Pleasant,
I
decided.
You
know
what
can
be
done
about
this,
so
we
started
this
business
as
a
as
a
maintenance
company
and
what
we
call
the
pre-lithio-ific
era
and
actually
was
able
to
make
a
business
model
out
of
that,
and
then
once
we
dissolved
that
company,
we
said
hey.
What
are
the
lessons
learned?
W
How
could
this
actually
scale
and
how
could
we
actually
help
this
entire
industry
go
in
more
of
a
low
impact
direction
if
you
will
and
then
yeah?
So
that
is
how
we
formed
agsa,
and
that
is
how
we
turned
out
to
develop
some
of
the
certification
programs.
We
have
and
again
this
Workforce
interaction
and
train
to
help
get
our
industry
going
in
a
more
low
impact,
sustainable
path.
U
U
Thank
you
so
again,
we're
here
to
talk
to
talk
about
the
project
that
we've
done
so
far.
U
We're
going
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
background
of
how
the
the
project
was
designed
and
has
been
progressing
some
of
our
work
around
studying
thinking
about
the
racial
Equity
components
of
this
and
the
engagement
that's
been
conducted
so
far,
Dan's
going
to
share
some
of
his
work
that
he's
done
around
some
of
the
cost
and
impact
analysis
on
our
landscape
service
industry
in
Boulder
we're
going
to
present
some
of
the
potential
strategies
that
could
be
considered
by
Council,
some
of
which
were
already
implementing
in
terms
of
voluntary
programs
as
as
pilot
programs
and
then
have
some
discussion
just
as
a
qualifier.
U
When
we
talk
about
landscaping
services,
it's
a
pretty
broad
category,
it's
everything
from
maintaining
Lawns
Shrubbery
trees
to
some
of
our
forestry
industry,
our
city
operations,
maintaining
our
parks
and
Ball
Fields
as
well.
As
you
know,
even
our
maintenance
of
places
such
as
our
downtown
spaces
like
Pearl
Street.
So
when
we're
talking
about
it,
consider
that
broad
landscape,
we
have
campuses,
for
example,
naropa
and
see
you
in
town,
so
it
really
spans
the
breadth
of
that
and
whatever
decisions
we
make
will
have
impacts
across
all
of
those
services.
U
These
are
our
questions
for
Council
and
I.
Just
want
to
frame
this
up
a
little
bit.
You
know,
I
think
we're
all
in
a
place
where
we
need
to
make
the
transition
to
Electric.
So
that's
not
necessarily
the
topic,
we're
seeking
feedback
on.
It's
really
more.
How
we
want
to
approach
it,
the
timing,
the
different
strategies
we
want
to
implement
on
how
we
can
do
that
in
a
way
that
is
successful
for
everybody,
so
not
just
the
community,
but
also
the
businesses
that
serve
it.
U
U
You
know
where
whether
we
should
come
back
with
some
specific
policy
actions
and
and
when
and
when
analysis
we
might
want
to
support
that
did
I
mentioned.
We
started
this
project
last
year
in
the
springtime
just
developing
a
scoping,
the
project
bringing
our
exit
team
on
board
the
project
really
got
underway
in
the
fall
so
right
towards
the
end
of
our
fall
cleanup
efforts.
So
when
there
was
a
lot
of
leaf
debris,
cleanup
and
other
activities,
so
damn
and
his
team
did
a
site
visit
to
the
town.
U
They
spent
some
time
out
at
Western
Disposal
meeting
with
landscapers,
who
were
disposing
of
their
Landscaping
debris
that
they
had
collected,
engaging
with
them,
getting
a
sense
for
what
types
of
operations
happen
in
Boulder
and
getting
a
sense
for
Boulder
as
a
whole.
They
conducted
some
shadowing
of
of
a
couple
of
contractors
to
see
how
they
operate
and,
to
start
to
inform
the
analysis
we
moved
on
to
doing
case
studies
of
different
jurisdictions.
U
The
city
had
also
done
some
background
work
on
this
as
well.
That
then
informed
some
of
our
costs
and
impact
analysis
which
we'll
talk
about
tonight,
we're
here
today
doing
a
check-in
with
Council
and
then
based
on
on
the
direction
we
get.
We
may
go
forward
and
do
some
additional
analysis
and
refinement.
We
certainly
haven't
completed
all
the
engagement
we
would
like
to
do,
and
then
we
could
come
back
for
further
discussion
and
potential
other
decisions
about
any
regulatory
or
policy
strategies
we
want
to
pursue.
U
So
I
mentioned
the
types
of
Lawns.
This
is
the
types
of
Maintenance
we
get
here
in
Boulder
or
or
how
Lawns
and
yards
are
maintained.
We
have
a
category
of
self-maintained
by
Property
Owners,
so
these
are
people
who
own
their
own
equipment
and
do
most
of
their
own
maintenance.
We
see
this
principally
in
single
family
residential,
as
well
as
our
campuses
and
City
operations.
U
Our
campuses
will
have
staff
that
do
that
maintenance
versus
contracting
service
within
our
residential
area.
We
do
see
a
lot
of
seasonal
services,
lawn
aeration
spring
and
fall
cleanup,
and
then
we
have
year-round
Services,
which
we
see
throughout
the
community
single
family,
multi-family,
commercial
and
campuses.
So
all
of
these
categories
are
or,
however,
the
different
lenses
we're
taking
a
look
at
how
different
strategies
might
have
an
impact.
U
So
why
are
we
doing
this?
There's
a
number
of
concerns
that
we
have
about
the
the
use
of
landscaping
equipment?
We
certainly
articulated
a
lot
of
this
analysis
in
our
memo.
The
principal
concern
from
an
environmental
perspective.
U
These
this
equipment
does
work
in
summer
months
when
we
have
high
ozone
background
to
begin
with,
it
does
produce
ozone
forming
pollutants,
it
also
produces
Health
pollutants
such
as
volatile
chemical,
organic
chemicals
or
vocs
and
other
particulate
matter,
which
is
an
exposure
for
both
workers
and
the
area
around,
as
well
as
again
contributing
to
Ozone
we're
hearing
the
climate
initiatives
department.
U
Really,
when
we
talk
about
our
landscaping
equipment
and
what
we've
heard
from
the
community,
though,
is
the
biggest
concern
is
really
around
noise,
particularly,
we
hear
a
lot
about
Leaf
lower
use
in
the
community.
This
seems
to
be
one
of
the
biggest
areas
of
concern.
This
is
a
chart
that
I
think
many
have
seen
that
just
measures
the
different
decibel
ratings
of
different
activities
and
what
exposure
can
cause
in
terms
of
hearing
loss
and
damage.
U
So
you
see
kind
of
the
traditional
leaf
blowers
are
showing
up
there
in
the
90
decibel
rating
sporting
events.
Rock
concerts
Sirens
are
all
in
those
higher
end.
The
interesting
thing
is,
you
know,
as
technology
has
evolved
and
our
manufacturers
are
are
making
newer
equipment
more
muffled
equipment,
we're
actually
seeing
the
decimal
rating
of
leaf
blowers
drop
down.
U
I
think
it's
also
important
to
note
that
you
know
when
we
talk
about
leaf
blowers,
especially
a
lot
of
what
we
hear
in
terms
of
noise
is
actually
not
the
motor
or
the
operation
of
the
the
piece
of
equipment.
It's
in
fact
the
air
velocity,
that's
generated
to
produce
the
action,
and
one
of
the
reasons
gas
powered
equipment
is
most
cited
is
because
it
produces
higher
velocities
than
as
Electric
equivalent.
U
So
electric
does
make
noise
and,
as
electric
continues
to
improve
we're
likely
to
hear
it
get
louder.
So
that's
certainly
something
we
want
to
consider
as
we
think
about
different
strategies.
We
can't
simply
sell
noise
simply
with
like
an
electric
only
requirement.
We
will
still
have
that
noise
concern
the
other
thing
when
it
comes
to
leaf
blowers.
U
In
particular,
we
hear
about
is
dust
concerns
so,
as
we're
blowing
debris
around
there's
a
lot
of
particulate
matter
again,
that's
something
that's
not
unique
to
gas
or
electric,
so
get
a
sense
of
what
this
means
in
a
bowler
footprint,
so
I
think
in
our
memo
we
cited
a
lot
of
more
National
statistics
and
state
level
statistics
we're
working
with
Dan
and
his
team
to
actually
do
a
bolder
footprint
analysis-
and
this
is
just
very
preliminary
just
to
give
you
a
sense
of
what
we're
looking
at
what
we
can
bring
back
in
a
future
date.
U
Would
happen
if
we
transitioned
100
small.
U
U
You
know
on
the
carbon
dioxide
emissions
or
greenhouse
gas
emissions
side.
This
is
roughly
equivalent
to
maybe
a
few
vehicles
per
year
and
there
are
annual
missions
on
the
toxic
and
pollutants.
You
know
these
are
a
little
bit
more
meaningful
but
real
I'd
say
proportionately
lower
than
what
we
might
see
across
the
front
range
on
a
population
basis,
but
we're
still
refining
this
analysis.
U
We'll
have
more
to
come
back
and
Dan
could
probably
answer
questions
at
the
end
about
a
little
bit
more
and
then
again
we're
showing
the
difference
between
handheld
and
non-hand
held
from
a
definition
standpoint.
You
know
the
non-handled
is
going
to
be
your
your
mowers,
your
push,
edgers
the
equipment,
that's
you
know
offering
more
on
gasoline
than
some
of
the
heavier
oils
and
mixed
fuels.
U
Okay,
so
as
we
launched
this
project
and
worked
with
Dan
and
his
team
and
our
partners
at
Boulder
County
to
really
think
about
how
we
wanted
the
frameless,
we
had
the
opportunity
to
really
leverage
the
city's
racial
Equity
instrument
and
really
put
it
to
use
from
inception
of
a
project
to
its
execution.
And
so
we
shared
a
lot
of
this
in
in
the
memo
again.
But
it's
a
six-step
process
where
we
start
with
really
defining
what
outcomes
we
want
to.
U
We
really
want
to
achieve
and
then
trying
to
understand
where
we
might
have
disproportionate
impacts.
What
groups
are
affected,
how
we're
going
to
measure
whether
we're
successfully
I'm
trying
to
address
our
Equity
outcomes
and
then
continuing
to
evaluate
that
throughout
so
I'll
just
highlight
a
few
things
we
wanted
from
an
outcome
perspective.
U
You
know,
I,
think
our
goal
from
this
project,
as
I
said
at
the
beginning,
is
you
know
not
just
to
reduce
the
emissions,
but
we
really
want
to
improve
the
health
and
well-being
of
everybody,
both
the
community
as
a
whole,
as
well
as
the
workforce.
We
want
this
to
be
successful
for
landscapers.
We
want
to
reduce
their
operational
cost.
We
want
to
provide
them
good
wages
and
transition
to
the
emerging
Green
Collar
Workforce.
U
Think
this
is
a
really
important
demographic
to
think
about
within
Boulder
County.
It's
really
hard
to
tell
the
exact
number
of
businesses
that
exist,
because
we
have
everything
from
you
know:
one
individual
operating
their
own
business
all
the
way
up
to
you
know
some
larger
landscapers,
particularly
those
that
work
in
new
development
and
do
a
lot
of
the
original
Landscaping,
but
there's
as
many
as
2000
to
2
500
businesses
that
work
throughout
Boulder
County
and
then
many
of
those
come
into
the
city
of
Boulder
and
provide
services.
U
Here,
it's
it's
largely
Hispanic,
both
Workforce
and
ownership.
So
we,
it
is
a
really
great
entrepreneurial
entry
point
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
demographics
there,
but
certainly
we
are
talking
about
a
popular,
a
higher
population
of
Hispanics
than
some
of
the
service
receivers
within
the
community.
So
we
talk
about
single-family
households,
some
of
the
commercial
and
multi-family
properties.
U
We're
talking
about
you
know
largely
Caucasian
population
overall,
more
affluent
broadly,
although
we
have
groups
within
that,
I
want
to
highlight,
so
we
think
about
multi-family
and
Commercial
properties,
which
almost
exclusively
rely
on
landscaping
services.
U
You
know
we're
talking
about
populations
like
the
occupants
there,
the
surrounding
neighborhoods
the
tenants
who
have
to
pay
Jews
that
could
be
impacted
by
affordability,
outcomes
and
then
also
business,
Community,
Economic,
Development
single
family
within
that
class,
A
lot
of
communities
landscaping
services
as
something
that
is
more
common
amongst
more
affluent
members,
larger
properties
within
our
community.
It's
also
a
critical
service
for
a
lot
of
our
fixed
income
seniors
and
some
of
our
lower
income,
households
and
renters.
It's
something
to
keep
in
mind.
U
U
We
use
census
data
to
to
try
and
understand
the
demographic.
I
will
just
note.
U
You
know
there
are
some
challenges
in
terms
of
like
getting
truly
quantifiable
metrics
within
the
census,
particularly
on
the
2020
census,
because
there
was
a
lot
of
hesitancy
of
response
and
we've
certainly
seen
some
underrepresented
areas,
even
within
Boulder
within
census
block,
but
it
gives
you
a
general
sense
of
how
large
this
industry
is
within
our
community.
It's
about
one
percent
of
total
occupation
occupants
of
those
living
in
Boulder
and
then
obviously
we
have
a
large
industry
that
serves
us
from
outside.
I.
U
Do
want
to
note
that
when
we
talk
about
median
earnings,
earnings,
potential,
I
think
this
is
a
good
metric
and
fairly
consistent.
What
we've
seen
historically,
you
know.
So
we
see
you
know
roughly
around
the
mid
50s
as
kind
of
the
average
median
are
earning,
and
this
includes
business
owners
and
Workforce
within
this
category.
U
Just
to
give
you
an
idea,
we
often
measure
income
in
terms
of
area
me
median
income,
the
80,
Ami
or
area
medium
income.
Measurements
is
where
we
would
consider
the
threshold
of
moving
into
lower
income.
A
single
family
household
that
is
63,
000
and
so
we're
seeing
this
as
average
median
earnings
definitely
puts
this
category
into
our
lower
income
earners
within
the
community.
U
One
thing
in
particular,
as
we
think
about
this
industry,
unlike
when
we
traditionally
work
with
commercial
industry
within
our
community.
This
is
an
industry
that
is
a
service
industry
that
comes
in
from
outside
of
the
area
and
so
any
actions
we
take
also
have
effects
on
communities
where
those
businesses
are
located
and
where
those
workers
come
from.
U
So
as
we
look
at
where
a
largest
portion
of
our
industry
is
actually
coming
into
the
community,
we
do
have
businesses
located
in
Boulder,
but
the
biggest
proportion
are
largely
coming
from
the
Longmont
area
as
well
as
Superior
and
Lewisville,
and
then
we
do
have
some
landscapers
that
come
from
farther
away
our
Arvada
and
those
areas,
but
and
even
as
far
north
as
Loveland.
U
So
we
definitely
want
to
think
about
those
Community
impacts
outside
of
our
jurisdictional
boundaries,
as
well
as
how
our
strategies
might
want
to
bring
in
those
partner
jurisdictions
to
help
support
or
Shore
up
those
businesses.
A
lot
of
the
equipment
is
purchased
in
dealers
and
retailers
actually
outside
of
our
community
as
well.
U
I
think
we
we
often
talk
about
racial
Equity
thoroughly,
so
I'm
not
going
to
dive
into
this.
But
these
are
certainly
some
influencing
factors
that
we
have
to
keep
in
mind,
especially
when
we're
talking
about
a
Workforce
where
we
already
have
quite
a
bit
of
disparity
in
terms
of
income,
earning
and
Equity.
To
start
with.
U
Which
leads
us
to
step
three,
which
is
really
how
we
gather
more
and
more
data
through
engagement.
This
is
again
a
very
hard
to
reach
industry
because
there's
not
like
one
source
of
data,
so
we've
taken
a
number
of
strategies
to
inform
this,
including
working
closely
with
the
Latino
Chamber
of
Commerce
at
Boulder
County.
U
We've
now
hosted
our
first
workshop
and
drawn
industry
in
so
that
we
can
make
those
connections
and
learn
from
them
again.
We
brought
agsa
on
board
with
their
breadth
of
experience
and
12
years
of
Engagement
done
shadowing
interviews
with
local
shops,
retailers
in
Boulder
as
well
as
outside,
and
then
we
did.
Our
community
outreach
through
Beholder
Boulder,
so
I
do
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
we've
been
hearing
and
the
engagement
we've
done
so
far.
U
I
think
many
people
and
thank
you,
council
members
for
elevating
our
be
her
Boulder
page
and
also
sharing
with
us
any
of
the
challenges.
We've
also
gathered
input
from
Community
for
several
years
that
we've
shared
with
our
consultants
and
brought
it
to
this
conversation.
I
thought
it
would
be
interesting
to
see
a
little
bit
about
who
responded
to
our
be
her
Boulder
page.
Predominantly
we
had
three
tracks
you
could
identify
as
as
a
resident
you
could
identify
as
a
property
owner
you
could
identify
as
a
business.
U
We
had
we
weren't,
particularly
using
the
be
heard
polder
page,
to
look
to
our
industry,
but
we
did
want
to
provide
a
pathway
for
those
that
we
might
have
reached.
We
didn't
hear
from
many
businesses,
Story
We,
largely
heard
from
residents,
so
I'm
mostly
going
to
share
with
you.
The
residential
data
I
could
talk
to
what
we
heard
from
businesses
or
Property
Owners.
We
think
you
had
a
very
good
response
rate.
You
know
so
around
600
of
our
residents
responded.
U
I
will
note.
We
mostly
heard,
interestingly
enough
from
those
single-family
homeowners
that
do
their
own
maintenance,
so
that
85
84
of
everybody
who
responded
does
their
own
maintenance,
and
you
know
about
three
quarters
of
those
use
electric
equipment
already.
So
a
lot
of
what
we're
hearing
in
terms
of
feedback
is
kind
of
based
on
their
lived
experience,
doing
their
own
maintenance
and
the
successive
electric
equipment.
U
In
that
we
didn't
hear
as
much
from
those
who
rely
on
the
service
industry
to
serve
them,
although
we
did
hear
from
some
and
got
quite
a
bit
of
useful
information
from
them.
The
people
who
responded
about
you
know
80
notice,
the
noise
of
landscaping
equipment,
the
majority
of
the
folks
who
responded
identify
as
it
causes
them
a
lot
of
stress
or
bothers
them
a
lot.
So
again,
that's
the
demographic
of
who
we
largely
heard
from
again.
U
This
isn't
a
statistic
be
her
Boulder
doesn't
provide
a
statistical
least
significant
sampling
is
just
really
so
we
can
hear
from
Community.
We
got
a
lot
of
great
feedback,
for
example,
on
on
how
based
on
somebody
feels
about
equipment
and
their
personal
experience,
how
they
would
rank
some
of
the
strategies
and
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
when
we
get
to
the
strategies.
U
What
we
heard
I
won't
read
this.
What
I
will
just
say
here
is
we
got
all
sides
of
the
equation
in
our
response.
So,
for
example,
we
asked
a
question:
how
willing
are
you
to
pay
more
for
your
service?
If
that's
an
outcome,
we
had
a
many
people,
say
they'd
be
willing
to
pay
as
much
as
double
we
had
many
people
say
they
can't
afford
to
pay
more.
They
already
paid
too
much
and
people
who
just
simply
weren't
willing.
U
We
heard
from
from
folks
who
rely
on
this
service
that
they
really
can.
They
need
to
have
this
maintenance.
They
can't
do
it
themselves.
We've
had
questions
about
how
we
looked
at
the
total
impact
of
electric.
When
we
talk
about
gas,
you
know
we're
talking
about
the
fuel
source,
but
when
you
think
about
batteries
life
cycle-
yes,
we've
heard
quite
a
bit
of
great
impact.
There
are
some
themes,
though,
that
came
through.
V
U
Was
Universal
support,
whether
you
loved
your
gas
powered
equipment
or
left
your
electric
equipment,
support
for
Education
Outreach
and
making
sure
we're
Shoring
up
small
businesses
with
any
strategy
we
Implement?
So
we
heard
that
pretty
uniformly
across
the
board
same
thing,
most
felt
a
Salesman
would
be
ineffective
again,
recognizing
that
a
lot
of
our
industry
comes
from
outside
of
the
community
or
it's
easy
enough
to
go
and
purchase
equipment
elsewhere.
U
U
You
know
there's
definitely
a
different
perspective
on
how
these
services
are
being
used
within
the
community
and
what
that
means
in
terms
of
business
impact.
So
we
definitely
heard
a
wide
range
of
feedback
there
and
then
regulatory
strategies
range
differently.
So
those
who
were
most
bothered
certainly
ranked
some
of
our
regulatory
strategies
higher,
whereas
those
who
were
in
the
middle,
we
should
go.
Electric
now
really
felt
like
education
and
Outreach
should
be
elevated,
all
kind
of
agree
that
education
and
Outreach
alone
is
likely
not
going
to
drive
the
transition.
U
For
the
business
and
what
we've
heard
so
far
from
the
ones
we've
engaged
with
and
there's
a
lot
of
concern
about
the
the
cost
of
transition,
as
well
as
for
new
entrants
into
the
market,
that
original
purchase
price
and
the
availability
equipment
to
support
them.
Dan,
to
talk
a
lot
more
about
this,
but
there's
certainly
a
concern
about
how
effective
electric
equipment
is
and
what
that
could
mean
in
terms
of
the
productivity
of
their
businesses.
U
As
I
mentioned
in
the
memo,
you
know,
there's
there's
small
margins
in
this
industry,
and
so
productivity
is
really
important.
There's
a
lot
of
concerns
about
how
they
charge
batteries
and
what
that
means
in
terms
of
their
operations.
For
example,
you
know
it's
one
thing
to
to
fuel
a
gas
powered
piece
of
equipment
with
a
can
of
gas.
When
you
start
to
do
electric,
you
have
to
take
these
home
and
charge
them.
U
U
About
out
different
rules
applying
in
different
places,
these
businesses
work
throughout
Boulder
County
and
to
other
counties
and
what
that
means
in
terms
of
consistency,
education
of
Workforce
and
then
there's
also
a
big
concern
about
losing
jobs
for
small
businesses
to
larger
businesses
who
are
better
able
to
absorb
some
of
the
costs.
They
certainly
see
opportunities
about,
you
know
being
able
to
be
seen
as
a
green
business
about
being
able
to
provide
healthier
solutions
for
their
workers
and
engaging
in
the
Technology
Solutions.
U
So
definitely
that's
that's.
Certainly
what
we've
been
hearing
from
the
businesses?
U
A
few
other
considerations,
I
think
I
touched
on
this.
You
know
we
definitely
hear
about
the
noise
concern
as
the
predominant
concern,
and
so
as
I
mentioned,
electric
doesn't
solve
for
that,
and
so,
as
we
think
about
strategies
and
some
of
what
we'll
recommend
exploring
further
or
considering
for
future
gets
at
maybe
more
Equitable
treatment
between
electric
and
gas
in
terms
of
reducing
noise
and
again,
a
lot
of
folks
have
cited
the
leaf.
U
Blowers
are
certainly
more
very
concern
locally,
as
some
of
the
data
shown
for
Boulder,
but
when
we're
dealing
with
Front
Range
ozone,
there's
there's
issues
that
are
broader
and
then,
if
we
come
back
with
regulatory
strategies,
you
know
I
think
enforcement
is
is
a
huge
Challenge
and
Dan
could
talk
about
some
of
the
you
know
case
studies
about
this.
U
You
know
certainly
I've
I've
spoken
to
communities.
It's
it's
really
hard.
You
get
complaints
about
somebody
using
a
piece
of
equipment,
it's
gone
by
the
time.
I'm
somebody
gets
there
to
see
it,
so
it's
typically
treated
as
a
Code
Enforcement
issue
with
where
somebody
has
to
report
somebody
and
and
provide
documentation
and
follow
through
that
process.
So
it
is
a
little
bit
more
challenging
time.
Intensive
I've
certainly
heard
from
other
communities
about
a
lot
of
time
spent
and
not
a
lot
of
outcomes
from
it.
U
So
definitely
something
to
keep
in
mind
and
if
we
want
to
pursue
that,
we
certainly
want
to
come
back
and
talk
about
what
it
means
in
terms
of
staff
and
capacity
and
City
resources.
U
So
with
that
I'm
actually
going
to
pass
the
Baton
to
Dan
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
the
experiences
both
from
his
own
analysis
that
he
did
for
us,
as
well
as
what
he's
learned
from
working
with
other
communities
and
and
some
of
the
engagement
he's
done
through
the
core
program.
And
so
Jan
I'll
run
the
slideshow.
If
you
could
just
tell
me
when
you're
ready
for
the
next
slide.
B
A
B
W
Okay,
next
slide,
please!
Okay!
So
here
you're
looking
at
gas
equipment
actually
operated
in
Boulder,
as
Carolyn
had
mentioned,
our
team
and
by
the
way
all
of
our
field
team
members,
the
requirement
for
the
for
them
to
work
for
and
with
agsa
is
they
have
to
come
from
the
industry.
They
have
to
have
pushed
a
lawnmower,
worn
a
gas
leaf
or
an
electric
leaf
blower
on
their
back
raked
cultivated
weeded
all
of
that
stuff.
So
we
have
inventoried
a
little
over
40
total
Tools
in
Boulder.
W
So
far
we're
coming
back
two
more
times
we're
going
to
be
doing
more
observations,
more
inventory
to
really
get
that
initial
report
as
accurate
as
possible.
But
let's
just
take
a
look
at
the
very
right
that
Echo
PB
9010.
We
came
out
in
the
fall
and
we
really
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
came
out
in
the
most
challenging
time
of
year
for
all
businesses
to
deal
with
the
leave
season.
W
And
basically,
what
we're
going
to
reveal
is
that
it's
most
challenging
to
convert
from
gas
to
electric
with
this
one
specific
tool,
which
is
the
the
gas
leaf
blower,
but
there's
there's
good
news
inside
of
that
next
slide.
Please!
W
Okay!
Let's
talk
about
the
cost
when
we
look
at,
let's
just
say,
there's
a
startup
to
two
people
that
are
starting
up
a
brand
new
business.
Here
one
is
going
to
choose
conventional
tools
which
are
gas.
The
other
is
going
to
choose
all
electric
tools.
The
Upfront
cost,
as
you
can
see,
can
be
up
to
three
times
as
much
startup
costs
and
that
also
can
translate
into
transitioning
a
gas
operation
into
electric.
W
Now
we
do
know
and
I
know
from
experience
when
you
don't
use
two-stroke
oil,
you
mix
it
in
gas
you're,
not
paying
those
high
gas
prices
you're
not
doing
as
much
maintenance
for
your
Fleet,
your
electric
Fleet
over
time.
This
is
going
to
be
a
very
good
proposition,
but
the
caveat
to
that
is:
are
you
going
to
choose
the
proper
brands
on
the
market
that
are
true,
really
commercial,
make
that
right
decision
and
get
those
tools
to
year?
Three:
four
five
and
sometimes
six
to
to
reach
your
Roi.
W
In
some
cases
you
can
have
an
Roi
on
handheld
Tools
in
in
roughly
two
and
a
half
years.
It
just
depends
on
on
some
variables,
but
again
the
the
carrot
approach
with
with
what
the
city
and
the
and
the
the
county
are
doing
together.
Bringing
the
cost
down
of
this
equipment
is
going
to
help
tremendously,
but
just
keep
in
mind.
The
Upfront
cost
of
battery
is
significantly
higher
than
gas.
W
Now,
one
last
thing
on
this
slide
when
you
replace
a
gas
tool
you're,
not
just
replacing
it
with
an
electric
tool,
you're
replacing
it
with
a
system,
it's
a
tool,
it's
a
battery
and
it's
a
charger.
If
you
don't
have
one
of
those
things
it
renders
the
system
useless.
These
folks
have
to
use
these
tools
to
make
a
living,
and
then
you
have
to
consider
battery
to
gas
tank
ratio.
W
As
you
can
see,
some
of
these
tools
will
require
multiple
batteries
to
equate
and
handle
the
given
workload
to
make
an
Effective
Living
with
what
they're
doing
now
next
slide.
Please
I'm!
Sorry,
one
last
note
on
that
last
slide:
there
could
be
an
added
cost
for
charging
infrastructure
on
top
of
the
cost
of
the
tools.
Thank
you,
Carolyn.
Next
slide.
Okay,
when
we
talk
about
the
case
studies,
we
go
way
back
and
and
National,
let's
just
say
a
project.
We
did
way
back
in
2014.
W
Do
an
education
program,
look
for
resources
to
bring
the
cost
of
the
technology
down,
and
you
know
what
it
was
just
too
much
work
for
these
folks
to
do
that
and
they
went
with
what
I
would
call
the
the
more
Draconian
type
of
approach
where
the
ban
was
put
in
place
on
gas
leaf
blowers,
and
basically,
they
created
a
fine
system
where
people
can
take
pictures
of
of
of
other
people,
send
it
in
people
will
get
fines
in
the
mail,
police
and
and
other
City
staff
are
used
to
approach
workers
out
in
the
field
and
it
just
lacked
any
type
of
Outreach
and
resources.
W
They
talked
the
talk
they
transitioned
as
far
as
they
can
go
all
of
their
properties,
even
sometimes
under
our
certification,
where
it's
independently,
verified
and
then
they're
going
to
do
robust
Outreach
to
the
homeowners
and
the
the
businesses
that
operate
within
their
community
and
they're,
going
to
provide
those
resources,
the
information,
sometimes
training,
and
then
any
programs
that
exist
to
bring
the
cost
of
the
technology
down
and
then
afterwards,
sometimes
years
after
they
will
end
Institute
a
gas
leaf
blower
ban,
but
they
will
ensure
that
the
industry
has
not
been
harmed
and
and
that
there's
data
to
support
that
they
won't
be
harmed
where
the
technology
is
at
and
then
how
much
resources
need
to
be
provided
to
ensure
that
next
slide.
W
Okay,
some
of
the
strategies
that
that
we
just
practice
all
the
time
boots
on
the
ground
engagement.
It
is
direct.
We
do
this
nationally,
but
We've
really
had
to
ramp
it
up
here
in
California,
with
the
core
program,
our
teams
will
go
out.
We
will
canvas
entire
neighborhoods
where
we're
holding
events,
and
we
will
meet
these
folks
and
directly
engage
them.
W
A
lot
of
them
may
not
come
to
an
event,
but
they
have
been
directly
engaged,
they've
and
educated,
and
then
we
give
them
additional
resources
to
help
them
navigate
a
process
of
replacing
a
gas
tool
with
an
electric
one.
These
things
are
demographic
Focus.
Sometimes
we've
been
given
the
task
to
to
reach
out
to
the
Spanish-speaking
demographic
here
in
California
we're
particularly
good
at
it.
We
do
form
those
strategic
Partnerships
with
any
non-profits
Community
groups
and
and
definitely
let
them
know
hey,
we
need
your
help.
Can
you
help
us
reach
these
folks?
W
We
do
approach
everybody
in
their
language
of
comfort,
whether
it
be
Portuguese,
Spanish,
Mandarin
Korean.
We
definitely
have
a
staff
that
speak
all
of
those
languages
and
we
make
sure
to
cover
all
those
bases
and
then,
if
there's
enough
resources,
I
can't
stress
enough
the
Education
and
Training.
If
the
resources
are
there,
because
it
ensures
that
there's
going
to
be
a
safe
and
then
enduring
success,
when
we
help
folks
go
to
lower
impact
operations,.
U
Great
thanks,
Dan
and
I
think
one
of
the
things
I
would
I'd
tag
on,
and
I
mentioned
this
in
the
memo.
I
think
is:
we've
looked
at
some
of
the
experiences
we
can
see.
Everything
from
you
know
really
successful
positive
outcomes
and
engagement
to
just
socializing
fines
and
penalties
as
part
of
the
the
cost
of
doing
business
and
driving
them
out,
and
so
that
really
informed
the
the
best
practices.
U
So
I
won't
go
into
this
too
much
my
slides
are
working.
We
are
doing
some
education
and
Outreach
I
mentioned.
We
hosted
our
first
Workshop
in
April
I.
Think
I
mentioned
our
medal
as
well.
We
took
our
Boulder
County
sustainability
Grant
and
have
been
working
with
our
Boulder
County
Pace
team
to
develop
a
new
Voucher
Program
where
you've
already
signed
up
half
of
our
Target
through
this
very
first
workshop
and
businesses
I
believe
we
have
14
who
are
signed
up
to
participate
in
our
Voucher
Program.
U
This
is
really
to
start
to
get
us
familiar
with
with
how
the
businesses
are
working
and
can
we
be
successful
and
we
have
another
Workshop
coming
up
in
a
couple
of
weeks
and
we
expect
to
subscribe
the
current
pilot
and
we'll
report
back
on
progress
on
that
I
think
it's.
We
can't
really
talk
about
the
equipment
if
we
don't
also
talk
about
what
drives
the
equipment
to
use
so
I
just
want
to
shout
out
to
our
nature-based
climate
Solutions
team
who's
is
really
leading
our
education
of
our
community.
U
We
need
to
move
away
from
the
hyper
manicure
landscape,
because
this
is
really
what's
going
to
change
the
Paradigm
for
our
businesses.
Most
of
them
tell
us.
Homeowners
will
complain
if
their
lawn
is
not
perfect
and
pristine
and
it
really
is
harmful
to
them
that
that's
the
perception,
and
so
we
need
to
address
that
as
well.
U
So
the
strategies
I
won't
dive
into
these
too
much
in
the
interest
of
time.
I
know
we
highlighted
them.
You
know
we
certainly
are
recommending
business
as
usual.
We
know,
there's
a
concern
in
the
community.
We
know
we
need
to
transition
to
Electric
policy.
Focus.
U
There's
a
lot
of
activity
going
on
at
the
state
level
right
now
to
include
potential
rulemaking
from
the
regional
air
quality
Council
that
actually
could
address
a
lot
of
what
we're
talking
about
in
terms
of
potential
sales
and
use
bands,
and
really
trying
to
Target
that
Front
Range
ozone
issue
that
we
want
to
keep
track
of
and
continue
to
support
education
Outreach.
We're
definitely
doing
that.
U
We
definitely
want
to
educate
the
community
more
about
sustainable
Landscaping
practices.
That's
something
we're
doing
through
our
cool
Boulder
and
other
campaigns
advising
and
incentives.
Again,
I
mentioned
a
sales
ban
wasn't
recommended.
We
don't
do
a
lot
of
equipment
sales
out
of
Boulder
and
a
lot
of
our
businesses
come
from
elsewhere.
U
So
it
really
comes
down
to
these
potential
policy
strategies
and
really
what
we
wanted
to
talk
about
tonight.
The
options
certainly
on
the
table
are
electric
only
requirements,
we've
seen
jurisdictions
just
say
all
equipment
must
be
electric
I'm,
not
just
a
specific
device.
It's
certainly
something
as
the
technology
continues
to
evolve
and
costs
continue
to
come
down,
as
demand
grows
up
that
we
certainly
recommend
the
council
may
want
to
consider
for
adoption.
U
We
generally
are
a
little
concerned
about
doing
it
now,
because
the
equipment
is
so
expensive
and
because
of
the
concerns
that
it's
not
going
to
have
the
same
productivity.
Similarly,
gas
leaf,
blower
band
would
just
say
electric
only
again,
I
think
we've
mentioned
there's
a
lot
of
concern
amongst
businesses
that
an
electric
leaf
blower
would
have
the
same
performance
and
productivity
there's
a
lot
of
concern.
We
think
it's
certainly
something
that
the
community
wants
to
see,
though,
so
we
do
recommend.
U
Maybe
not
you
know
a
band
this
year,
but
something
we
can
come
back
to
I
believe
lower
band
overall
I
mean
again.
We
mentioned
there's
concern
about
noise.
More
broadly
buried
in
this
is
maybe
quiet
zones
of
something
to
be
considered.
If
there's
areas
of
town,
where
we
have
more
concern,
we
can
certainly
try
and
identify
those
and
and
go
into
more
of
a
quiet,
Zone
approach
or
what
we
think
is
potentially
a
good
strategy
to
maybe
start
to
phase
in
would
be
more
of
a
seasonal
allowance.
U
So
we
see
more
success
where,
during
the
heavier
debris
times
in
Spring
and
fall,
communities
have
allowed
any
kind
of
leaf
blower
to
operate,
but
then
banned
gas
any
other
time.
That's
helped
make
some
of
the
transition
without
having
to
require
as
much
of
the
full
replacement
when
the
higher
performance
equipment
is
necessary.
So
those
are
the
strategies
we
wanted
to
talk
to
you
about
next
steps
based
on
your
feedback
tonight,
we
can
do
some
additional
analysis.
U
We
want
to
complete
the
work
we've
been
doing
and
we
can
continue
monitoring
some
of
the
the
activities
at
the
state
continue
supporting
Outreach
and
then,
depending
on
what
we
hear
from
you
about
any
potential
regulatory
Pathways,
we
can
come
back
to
council
and
present
additional
data.
So
we'd
definitely
like
to
hear
where
there's
interest.
If
there
is
interest
and
then
what
additional
analysis
or
information,
you
would
need
to
help
make
that
decision.
So
with
that
we'll
move
to
the
questions.
B
I
kind
of
wanted
to
preface
this
by
saying
you
know
my
idea
with
how
we
might
move
forward
with
this
I'm
sort
of
assuming
that
we
want
to
take
some
action
on
this
and
I
think
that
one
of
the
ways
or
one
of
the
most
important
things
that
it
seems
like
staff
needs
to
get
out
of
this
is
of
sort
of
the
list
that
you've
given
us,
which
ones
there's
enough
interest
in
to
continue
moving
forward
with,
and
so
I
would
like
to
encourage
that.
B
B
If
there's
like
additional
information
that
they
would
need
to
know
for
sure,
or
that
kind
of
thing
is
that
seem,
okay
with
everyone,
I
sort
of
saw
some
head
nods,
yes,
okay,
so
these
are
starting
off
with
general
questions
related
to
the
presentation,
I
see,
Tara
and
then
Juni
and
so
for
the
discussion.
Maybe
let's
take
the
questions
down.
K
U
All
right,
I
was
putting
them
in
the
chat,
so
I
think
a
few
things
we
would
highlight.
U
You
know,
there's
still
quite
a
bit
of
resource
that
would
have
to
go
into
a
seasonal
ban,
to
educate
what
is
a
very
widespread
service
industry
and
Community.
U
So
it's
really
more
of
a
resource
issue
that
would
have
to
come
into
play
and
there's
a
high
probability
and
we've
seen
this
with
other
communities
that
you're
going
to
see
equipment
used
outside
of
its
allowable
season,
and
so
that's
going
to
be
the
thing
we
would
have
to
respond
to
the
positive
of
it
again.
Is
you
still
allow
that
better
Performance
Equipment
when
it's
when
it's
necessary?
So
it's
that
kind
of
trade-off?
U
K
U
W
Sure
so
for
areas
of
the
country
where
fall
is
particularly
heavy.
We
have
seen
the
seasonal
approach
work
well
in
the
summer
months
and
outside
of
spring
cleanup.
W
W
The
reason
why
the
concession
was
made
primarily
for
fall
is
because,
with
the
electric
technology
as
it
stands
now,
you
would
need
up
to
four
sometimes
five
backpack
batteries
that
have
watt
hour
ratings
of
1500
Watt
hours
and
those
backpack
batteries
can
range
anywhere
from
1200
to
1700
each
so
it
it
really
and
and
then
the
those
blowers
are
still
not
going
to
perform
as
as
high
performance
as
some
of
the
top
gas
models.
W
So
you
have
to
pay
a
lot
more
and
then
you're
still
gonna
lose
some
work
production
and
again
when
we
went
out
and
shadowed
folks
in
Boulder
in
the
fall
when
we
finished
when
the
property
was
finished,
we
said
well,
this
is
perfect,
there's
not
a
leaf
on
it.
We
ask
them,
is
this
expected
of
you
and
they
said
yes.
So
again,
a
lot
of
the
companies
are
dealing
with
this
expectation
to
make
a
perfect
looking
property
to
collect
a
paycheck.
W
So
this
is
why
that
seasonal
approach
was
taken,
but
it
has
worked
quite
well
and
people
have
been
relatively
satisfied
with
it
in
general.
Of
course,
all
year
long
would
be
better.
W
All
of
us
would
agree
I'm
sure,
but
right
now,
as
the
technology
stands,
it's
very
hard
to
it's
very
hard
to
to
to
say:
hey,
you
need
to
use
the
electric
in
the
fall
unless
you
can
give
them
those
resources
to
bring
the
cost
of
those
multiple
batteries
down
and
account
for
the
time
the
extra
time
that
they
would
need
on
the
on
the
properties.
U
I
think
the
only
thing
else
I
would
add
on
Captain
America
is:
if
we're
gonna
do
that
seasonal
allowance,
they
probably
still
have
to
make
the
investment
in
some
electric
options
for
for
the
summer
months,
because
they're
still
used
for
for
more
shorter
periods
of
time,
and
so
there
is
some
upfront
at
cost.
That
I
would
also
add
to
that
for
for
businesses
and
those
considerations.
W
Carolyn
I'm,
sorry
really
quick
for
South
Pasadena,
it's
regional,
because
it's
in
Southern,
California,
I,
would
say
80
of
the
time
it's
dry
conditions,
although
we
have
30
inches
of
rain
this
year,
thank
goodness,
but
it
really
does
come
down
to
the
region
and
the
climate
and
and
those
specific
workloads
that
are
region
specific.
So
they
were
able
to
in
other
places
here
in
Southern.
California
have
that
band
go
all
year
round
where
electric
is
just
used.
A
X
Thank
you,
Lauren
I.
My
question
is:
thank
you
for
this
presentation.
It
was
great,
that's
probably
for
or
CD
staff
do
we
know
what
percentage
of
people
who
do
their
own
Lawns
versus
small
businesses
that
we
have
in
the
community.
U
So
I
think
our
estimate
is
that
about
70
percent
of
all
properties
receive
some
some
Landscaping
service,
with
a
portion
of
that
just
seasonal
services
and
then
I
think
it's
you
know
again.
We
know
that
about
not
quite
50
of
all
residential
housing
units
or
our
rentals,
and
so
you
would
expect
most
of
your
rental
properties,
especially
your
multi-family,
or
served
by
Landscaping
service
providers.
We
have
not
completely
Quantified
it,
but
that's
generally
and
then
yeah
I
think
we
used.
X
No,
that's
pretty
good,
actually,
yeah.
That's
that's
a
lot
considering
the
numbers
and
my
understanding
I'm.
Looking
at
the
the
slide,
when
you
were
talking
about
the
pilot
program,
I
thought
I
heard
currently
in
the
pilot
program.
There
are
10
businesses.
Is
that
correct.
X
U
Think
we
have
space
for
around
26
or
so
okay.
X
U
We
do
not
know
that
number
specifically,
there's
there's,
definitely
some
out
of
Boulder
that
are
actually
local
businesses.
I've,
certainly
seen
a
good.
You
know,
probably
dozen
of
ones
advertised
what's
really
hard
to
tell
is,
is
the
what
I
think
Dan
uses
the
term
micro
businesses
which
are
going
to
be
ones
that
aren't,
you
know,
aren't
necessarily
advertising.
U
You
know
in
comparison,
certainly
you're
larger.
A
lot
of
your
larger
businesses
that
are
coming
in
and
serving
your
commercial
properties.
U
I
I
see
them
mostly
come
down
Foothills
into
into
town
out
of
the
Longmont
area,
but
those
are
going
to
be
the
ones
that
are
going
to
serve
particularly
more
of
your
commercial
properties
rather
than
your
residential
areas.
Thank.
U
We
have
not
done
extensive
Outreach
to
them
yet
they're,
certainly
we've
been.
We've
certainly
did
some
encouragement
of
responding
to
the
survey.
We've
been
particularly
focused
on
the
Latino
chamber,
who
has
a
lot
of
connections
to
the
workforce,
and
so
that's
been
our
priority
Focus
so
far.
Certainly
it's
definitely
as
we
think
about
like
a
next
phase
of
a
better
understanding.
U
For
example,
if
we're
going
to
do
a
regulatory
strategy,
we
need
to
figure
out
what
fine
structure
and
other
things
we
definitely
would
want
to
bring
them
in
and
and
better
understand,
the
impacts
there.
G
And
Mark
thanks
and
thanks
for
the
presentation
in
the
engagement
did
the
workers
that
we
were
talking
to
talk
about
the
negative
impacts
from
breathing
fumes
or
the
noise,
or
anything
like
that,
because
it
seems
like
that's
something
we
hear
from
residents
concerned
about
the
workers.
Is
that
something
the
workers
raised?
Who
are
spending
a
lot
of
time
around
the
equipment?
W
Okay,
so
we
were
able
to
Shadow
two
particular
companies
who
we
became
chummy
with
and
we
shadowed
them
all
day
long,
but
we
did
engage
roughly
15
companies
and
I
would
say
only
two
out
of
those
15
and
we
do
get
this
from
time
to
time
say
you
don't
need
to
worry
about.
My
health
I'll
worry
about
my
health.
W
We
do
get
that,
but
the
majority
actually
are
like
yes,
this
is
so
much
better
and
and
then
also
we
always
point
out
the
not
just
it's
zero
emission
at
the
source
of
operation
they're
not
breathing
the
fumes.
Yes,
absolutely
that
is
very
positive
from
the
workers,
but
also
the
vibration.
W
Coming
from
the
industry,
myself,
I
have
numbness
in
my
hands
to
this
day.
I
have
ringing
in
my
ears,
I
I
can
tell
you
the
vibration
of
putting
on
a
gas
tool
all
day
is
is
just
incredibly
hard
on
the
body
itself.
W
The
majority
of
these
Electric
Tools
have
are
much
smoother
to
operate,
so
we
do
receive
feedback
that
it's
better
from
that
perspective
as
well,
but
the
engagement
does
have
to
be
there
and
it's
things
that
we
sometimes
have
to
really
point
out,
and
then
they
say
oh
yeah,
but
a
lot
of
them
just
haven't
been
exposed
to
commercial
electric
tools
and
they
really
they
just
haven't,
been
able
to
see
the
difference
for
themselves,
but
when
we
finally
get
them
to
that
point,
like
we
did
in
some
of
these
workshops,
we
were
able
to
point
that
out
and
the
workers
are
definitely
agreeing
that
this
is
better.
G
Thank
you
seems
to
speak
a
little
to
the
education
part
and
then
I
think
this
is
more
of
a
question
for
the
city
staff.
When
we're
looking
at
the
environmental
impact
of
things
like
gas,
powered,
lawn
equipment
and
making
transitions,
do
we
account
for
the
environmental
impact
in
areas
where
say
the
metals
for
electric
batteries
are
mined
or
other
materials?
G
You
know
for
the
equipment
or
manufactured,
maybe
to
put
it
another
way
when
we're
looking
at
these
kinds
of
things,
are
we
really
just
making
our
decision
based
on
local
impacts
or
are
we
taking
into
account
local
and
Global
impacts.
U
Yeah,
no,
it's
a
it's
a
really
good
question
and
I.
Think
it's
one
that
you
know
we
flagged
kind
of
in
some
of
the
comments
that
we
heard
from
some
Community
businesses
as
well.
We
have
not
done
the
life
cycle
assessment
on
electric,
but
certainly
the
the
number
of
batteries
and
then
the
life
cycle
of
those
batteries
is
certainly
an
area
of
concern
and
could
certainly
be
something.
We
would
probably
want
to
look
at
more
closely
to
fully
understand
it.
U
It's
not
a
zero,
a
mission
when
you
think
about
the
global
impacts
of
lithium-based
batteries
for
sure
yeah,
so
the
numbers
I
showed
you
were
explicitly
the
the
point
source
pollutants
that
that
are
derived
from
the
equipment.
It's
used
locally.
Thank.
G
You
and
I
think
just
just
one
other
kind
of
question
feel
free
to
punt
this
to
the
next
section,
where
we're
going
through
and
talking
about
the
the
recommendations.
If
we're
thinking
about
policy
changes
and
bans,
is
there
anything
that
we
should
change?
Think
about
changing
regarding
our
landscape
code
to
encourage
people
to
create
spaces
that
don't
require
as
much
equipment
to
maintain
in
the
first
place.
U
Yes,
I
think
that's
certainly
something
we're
flagging
as
part
of
our
nature-based
on
climate
Solutions
we're
certainly
within
code.
U
We
even
heard
from
somebody
from
one
of
our
historic
areas
that
can't
remove
their
Turf
because
of
the
requirements
they
would
like
to,
and-
and
so
that's
certainly
something
that
you
know
when
we
think
about
climate
resistant
drought,
resistant,
ecologically,
supportive,
Landscaping,
there's
definitely
some
transition
that
needs
to
occur
both
homeowner
education
and
and
policy,
and
code
changes
locally.
N
W
You
Carolyn,
if
I
may,
I
would
like
to
Circle
back
to
the
life
cycle
of
batteries
just
for
a
quick
second,
we
do
have
council
member.
We
have
a
lot
of
data
that
we've
collected
for
nearly
15
years.
There
are
batteries
that
are
still
working
that
are
10
years
old
and
have
really
replaced
all
of
that
pollution
at
the
source
of
operation.
W
We
have
been
doing
a
lot
of
battery
repurposing
projects
here
locally
in
California,
but
we
now
see
an
emerging
market
for
repurposing,
lithium,
18650
cells
and
then,
if
they're
not
going
to
be
able
to
be
repurposed,
we
see
that
they
can
be
recycled,
but
we
definitely
acknowledge.
There's
a
footprint
in
the
manufacturing
just
like
there
is
in
in
the
gas
stuff,
but
we
always
point
out
after
it
gets
to
the
showroom
floor.
W
Then
we
look
at
that
footprint
over
its
life
cycle
and
then
we
also
look
at
the
footprint
of
both
after
its
life
cycle.
So
you
bring
up
a
very
good
point.
It's
something
that
always
needs
to
be
right
there
in
all
of
our
sites,
and
we
will
keep
the
county
and
the
city
informed
of
all
of
the
resources
and
and
the
emerging
business
models
to
collect
and
repurpose
and
recycle
lithium.
J
I
only
have
a
couple
of
questions.
The
first
one
is
small,
but
it
just
has
been
bothering
me
on
page
six
of
the
memo.
It
stated
that
a
gallon
of
or
half
a
gallon
of
gasoline
will
create
11
pounds
of
CO2
is
that
is
that
an
accurate
0.43
I
think
since
a
gallon
of
gasoline
weighs
six
pounds
and
half
a
gallon
would
be
three
pounds.
How
does
three
pounds
end
up
as
11
pounds?
J
What
am
I
missing
am
I.
Just
is
there
some
new
dimension
of
physics
that
I'm
not
aware
of
here.
J
Now,
that's
small,
but
with
respect
to
the
possibility
of
encouraging
voluntary
electric
equipment
adoption,
have
we
costed
out
how
many
businesses
we
would
have
to
subsidize
and
what
that
amount
of
subsidy
would
be
and
what
the
total
liability
would
be
to
us,
since
it's
clearly
not
funded
at
this
point,
then,
would
simply
be
another
obligation,
we'd
be
undertaking
and
have
to
prioritize
relative
to
other
obligations.
U
We
have
not
done
the
full
analysis,
I
think.
One
of
the
reasons
for
doing
the
pilot
is
understanding
a
little
bit
more
about
like
what
the
uptake
is
and
and
trying
to
to
reach
out
to
more
of
our
businesses.
So
we
can
get
a
better
understanding
of
of
all
the
types
of
businesses
that
serve
again.
What
we're
funding
right
now,
we
think
we
can
do
26
businesses
out
of
a
grant
that
we
got
for
roughly
221
000,
but
that
includes
some
of
the
development
time.
So
I
don't
know
Elizabeth's.
U
What
is
the
total
rebate
amount
for
that
program?
The.
Y
We
have
about
265
to
300
000
the
boulder
counties
kicking
in
what
we're
calling
a
cushion
if
this
rebate
program,
the
pilot
is
successful,
we'll
put
in
some
sustainability
tax
dollars
to
help
support
businesses
who
want
to
participate,
and
even
if
we
run
out
of
funds
we'll
be
able
to
to
help
them
so.
I
U
We
think
there's
as
many
as
2
000
County
Wide,
but
those
would
be
like
that
wouldn't
be
inclusive
of
you
know
somebody
who
just
has
like
one
or
two
pieces
of
equipment.
So
it's
what's
another
number,
no
Dan.
Do
you
have
a
sense
of
that
percentage
like
what
would
be
the
small
business
targets?
We
would
typically
see.
W
Okay,
so
like
the
out
of
the
2500,
what
would
what
would
the
percentage
of
the
small
business
of
that
number
uh-huh
yeah
we're
still
kind
of
assessing
that
it's
something
that
we're
gonna
have
to
do
a
little
bit
more
groundwork
on,
but
it's
definitely
something
that
we
can
produce.
I
think
after
the
next
two
visits
there
but
yeah
we're
we
just
it
some
businesses,
they
just
don't
want
to
be
known.
W
They
they
just
don't
want
to
be
on
the
radar
and
that's
that's
what
it
is
so
we're
gonna
have
to
do
a
little
bit
more,
but
in
California
there
is
going
to
be
an
estimated
50
to
60
000
businesses
that
don't
have
business
licenses
and
that's
in
the
entire
State
of
California,
and
that's
just
a
rough
estimate.
W
I
think
we
can
sharpen
our
pencil,
like
I,
said
and
after
our
next
two
visits
there
and
and
try
to
come
up
with
something
that
we
can
extrapolate,
but.
U
J
My
last
question
is:
there's
nobody
in
town
who
who
is
not
annoyed
by
the
sound
of
the
blowers?
Nobody,
but,
in
my
recollection,
you've
only
received
a
dozen,
maybe
20,
complaints
in
terms
of
emails
on
this
subject.
In
the
last
year,
relative
to
the
kinds
of
community
interest
we
saw
on
the
West,
End
closure
or
occupancy
limits
or
prairie
dogs.
I'm.
U
Yeah
I
think
I
can
probably
speak
to
the
you
know
the
survey
again
we
did
hear
from
about
600
and
there's
certainly
more
people
out
there.
There
were
people
within
that
I'll.
Just
say
that
said:
you
know
they,
it
wasn't
bothered
or
they
hear
it.
It's
not
bothered.
But
again
it's
not
a
statistical
sampling.
Your
your
references
to
the
number
of
emails
received
is
about
accurate.
J
I
can
just
say
that
that
you,
you
have
different
data
than
than
I
think
we
do
because
they're
not
exactly
banging
down
our
door
and
we're
usually
pretty
responsive
to
people
banging
down
our
door.
So
I
I'd
throw
that
out.
There's
a
question
yeah.
U
Z
No
thanks
thanks
Carolyn
and
councilman
Wallach
I
appreciate
the
question.
I
just
wanted
to
remind
Council.
This
is
a
this
is
an
item.
That's
come
up
a
few
times
in
the
last
couple
of
of
council,
Retreats
and
I.
Think
as
a
whole,
Council
has
suggested
and
requested
staff
do
some
analysis
and
bring
back
some
options
to
council
and
so
I
think
that's
what
tonight
is
about.
We've
done
a
fair
amount
of
research
and
and
working
with
our
great
Consultants
to
try
to
give
you
all
a
comprehensive
view
of.
Z
There
are
trade-offs
in
terms
of
the
regulatory
options
that
we
have
on
the
table.
We
we
could,
in
fact,
if
Council
chooses,
we
could
choose
the
do
nothing
option
and
that's
certainly
within
your
right
to
direct
staff
to
do
that.
But
if
there
are
additional
items
that
you'd
like
for
us
to
research,
so
you
can
provide
any
policy
guidance
to
our
staff
team.
That
would
be
super
helpful
tonight.
H
Lauren,
do
you
mind
if
I
jump
in
and
colloquy
on
a
previous
question
mark
Ed
or
posed
he
just
rapid,
fired
and
I
didn't,
maybe
jump
in
real
quick.
It
was
just
to
answer
the
chemistry
question
he
had
so
Mark.
Had
that
chemistry
question
about
the
nearly
half
gallon
equaling
about
11
pounds,
the
chemistry
that
is
as
gasoline
burns,
the
carbon
and
hydrogen
separate.
H
Then
two
hydrogen,
combined
with
an
oxygen
to
form
water,
is
a
byproduct
and
then
that
single
carbon
combines
with
two
oxygen
and
since
by
weight,
it's
mostly
carbon
when
it
combines
with
those
two
oxygen,
that's
what
giving
the
added
weight,
and
so
that's
why
it
seems
like
a
half.
A
gallon
of
gas
can
somehow
create
more
it's
because
of
the
combination
of
the
oxygen
that
it
combines
with
on
the
hydrogen
and
the
carbon
that
creates
that
greater
weight
upon
combustion
when
it
recombines
with
those
other
atoms.
AA
Up
thanks,
I
didn't
even
take
physics
in
high
school,
like
my
mind,
is
blown
by
that
and
that
Benjamin
so
and
also
to
you
know,
cheat
a
little
bit
and
answer
a
colleague's
Mark's
last
question:
not
the
science
one
I've
certainly
heard
a
lot
from
community
on
this
at
office
hours
in
other
places
and
from
a
wide
spectrum,
I
would
say
kind
of
cross
the
aisle
politically.
So
it
I
think
it
is
of
community
interest.
AA
So
just
sharing
that
and
then
my
question
and
I'm
sorry
if
this
was
answered
elsewhere,
I
looked
for
it
and
I'm
I'm,
just
not
I,
just
can't
find
it
so
I
think
it's
it's
a
great
implementation
of
the
racial
Equity
instrument
in
this
project
like
and
and
for
those
of
us
who
were
on
the
previous
Council
like
we
would
often
be
like.
Did
you
run
this
through
the
racial
Equity
instrument?
And
people
be
like
sorry,
we
forgot
again,
so
this
is
like
outstanding
I'm
so
impressed.
AA
But
one
thing
I
couldn't
figure
out
is
where
you
cite
I
think
a
couple
times
that
80
of
workers
are
Hispanic
was
that
80
percent
also
hold
true
of
the
owners
of
the
industry,
because
we're
talking
a
lot
about
the
the
financial
impact
on
on
this
industry
and
so
I'm,
just
trying
to
figure
out
is
that
80
static
across
owners
and
and
and
the
people
doing
the
job
and
part
of
that
ties
into
I.
AA
Think
mayor,
brackett's
hotline
post
about
you
know
who
who
sort
of
bears
the
brunt
of
the
exposure,
and
you
know
your
description
of
you
know
hand
numbness
years
later
is
is
poignant,
so
I
just
want
to
understand
that
aspect
of
the
racial
Equity
instrument.
W
At
it,
I
mean
it's
well,
yeah
I
know,
I
got
a
small
number,
no,
definitely
want
to
chime.
In
on
that,
you
know
you
you
got.
Boulder
has
companies
that
have
embraced
the
electric
and
are
making
a
business
model
out
of
it.
W
A
company,
Eco,
Eco,
lawn
and
garden
I'm,
I
I,
believe
they
have
Hispanic
and
and
other
workers
working
for
them,
but
since
they're
all
electric
their
work
environments
are
so
much
better
if
you
will,
but
that
is
going
to
go
back
to
the
owner
operator
percentage,
how
many
of
these
companies
are
going
to
be
owned
and
operated
by
minorities
and
again
we
know
that
roughly
or
we
estimate
roughly
80
percent
of
the
front
line.
Workers
definitely
are
Hispanic
the
percentage
of
ownership.
W
Out
of
out
of
that,
we
do
not
know
yet
and
and
again
that's
something
we're
going
to
be
working
with
Carolyn,
the
city,
the
county,
on
our
next
few
visits
and
then
other
sources
to
to
try
to
get
a
more
accurate
number
on
that.
But
it's
important
to
note,
though,
that
the
front
line
workers
we
would,
we
would
estimate
to
be
80
percent
at
least
80
percent
Hispanic.
AA
Thanks
for
that,
so
yeah
that's
sounds
like
there's
there's.
My
question
can't
yet
be
answered
in
terms
of
I've
I
assume
that
the
80
did
apply
to
to
the
workers
out
in
the
field,
but
I
wasn't
sure
if,
if
that
Financial
ramification
of
you
know
buying
the
new
equipment
and
such
was
also
an
80
okay,.
W
So,
okay,
don't
thank
you
for
that,
because
out
of
the
15
or
15
to
16
companies
that
we
were
able
to
interact
with
I
would
say,
half
of
them
are
Hispanic
owned.
B
Thanks
Rachel
and
I
had
one
question,
which
was
your
staff
in
the
recommendations
on
for
the
sales
ban,
I
was
not
recommended
and
the
one
of
the
reasons
for
that
was
because
gas
equipment
is
easily
obtained
in
adjacent
communities
and
I
was
just
wondering
if
you
could
maybe
expand
on
that
a
little
bit
more
like
do.
Would
we
expect
a
sales
ban
to
harm
Boulder
retail
establishments,
like?
Are
people
buying
a
lot
of
these
lawn
equipment
like
if
these
I'm?
It
was
mentioned
that
these
businesses
are
mostly
located
outside
of
City
Limits?
B
So
it's
a
little
surprising
to
me
that
to
some
extent
that
it
matters
whether
the
city
bans
them
or
not,
because
I
would
assume
a
business
in
Longmont
is
probably
buying
equipment
in
Longmont,
and
it
seemed
like
this
would
mostly
target
potentially
residential.
B
You
know
home
owner
purchases
and
that
that
might
not
be
as
susceptible
to
shifting
locations,
and
so
I
was
just
wondering
if
you
could
expand
on
your
thinking
a
little
bit
and
maybe
address
that
question.
Yeah.
U
And
I
think
Dan
I
think
in
our
visits
to
Like,
Home,
Depot
and
McGuckin's
and
Ace,
like
you,
don't
even
find
gas
powered
equipment
there
to
begin
with
largely
for
the
residential
applications,
so
I
think
I
think
it's
really
more
of
it
would
be.
U
It
wouldn't
have
much
impact,
it's
not
so
much
that
it
would
be
a
harm,
but
the
the
net
outcomes
and
and
the
work
behind
doing
a
ban
wouldn't
necessarily
have
an
effect,
is
more
of
the
the
issue
just
because
either
it's
not
currently
sold
or
if
people
wanted
them
they
can.
You
know
just
go
well,
Lewisville
is
considering
it,
but
you
know
could
just
go
to
the
Lowe's
in
Home
Depot
in
Lewisville
as
an
example
or
the
one
up
in
Longmont
if
they
wanted
to
so
it's
it's
those
two
trade-offs.
W
Yes,
absolutely
you,
you
do
have
a
a
couple:
local
businesses
that
have
been
there
forever,
I
I
think
it
it
could
could
impact
their
their
business
and
it
would
be
like.
W
First
of
all,
when
you
ban
gas,
we
we've
seen
the
supply
chain
issues,
especially
supply
chain
issues,
for
the
truly
professional
and
Commercial
battery
platforms.
W
If
you
will-
and
that
is
where
you
can
get
a
particular
manufacturer
who-
who
may
not
be
commercial
grade
but
say
that
they
are
so
there's
a
there's-
a
lot
of
implications
to
just
saying
we're
just
going
to
ban
gas
tools
now
in
California,
we
are
very
air
quality
challenged
and
we
know
you,
you
all
have
similar
challenges,
but
they
really
had
to
go
in
there
and
understand
what
category
of
source
small,
off-road
engines
should
be
and
could
be
banned.
W
And
you
know
it's
something
that
has
to
be
done
through
a
process
of
discovery,
but
most
most
of
the
business
owners
say
this
is
going
to
negatively
impact
them.
Now
it's
important
to
also
understand
that
in
California
it's
Banning,
the
sale
of
equipment,
this
category
of
soar,
25,
horsepower
and
smaller,
but
it
does
not
ban
the
use
so
at
least
for
the
immediate,
a
lot
of
the
lawn
and
garden
shops.
W
Obviously,
they
feel
that
they're
going
to
be
busier
than
ever
with
repairs
and
keeping
these
gas
pieces
of
equipment
going
for
a
long
time.
When
we
do
our
projects
and
we
inventory
gas,
we
run
into
tools
blowers.
They
can
keep
these
things
going
for
five,
six,
seven
years,
mowers,
sometimes
up
to
20
years.
They
can
keep
these
pieces
going,
so
it
it's
not
as
straightforward
and
as
it
seems-
and
you
know
it's
it-
it's
something
that
it
could
negative
impact
business
who
rely
on
selling
electric
and
gas
tools.
B
All
right,
I
think
we
are
to
the
end
of
questions.
I
was
thinking
that
we
could
start
with.
Maybe
the
most
obvious
question
which
is:
are
we
interested
in
pursuing
any
of
this
because,
as
Mark
brought
up,
you
know,
maybe
this
isn't
something
that
we
want
to
move
forward
with
at
all.
So
before
we
go
into
the
detail
of
all
the
other
questions,
I'd
like
to
sort
of
straw
poll
to
see
if
council
members
are
interested
in
moving
forward
with
any
of
these
recommendations,.
B
And
then
also
to
try
yes,
Junie,
how
we
feel
okay.
My
next
question
was
going
to
be
also
in
an
interest
to
streamline.
B
Are
there
people
who
want
to
move
forward
something
other
than
just
the
staff
recommended
list
of
options
just
because
they've
already
laid
out
a
list
of
recommendations
and
if
we
all
want,
if
there's
a
majority
of
buy-in
for
that,
I
think
that
we
might
not
need
to
go
through
everything
in
quite
the
detail.
So
if
you
would
like
to
pursue
something
other
than
just
the
exact
recommendations
that
staff
has
laid
forward,
please
raise
your
hand.
B
Okay,
there's
only
two
people
there,
so
it
seems
like
everyone
did.
You
want
to
bring
in
a
question
now
or
I.
B
For
the
end,
all
right
so
does
anyone
want
to
add.
B
X
That's
good!
That's
good!
I
just
want
to
tell
you
that,
yes,
it's
it,
would
it's
great
to
pursue
policies
to
address
both
leaf
blowers
and
mowers,
but
I
I,
don't
know
how
it
works
in
California.
I
only
can
consider
Bolder
as
it
stands
and
to
just
have
a
complete
ban.
X
What
does
that
mean,
especially
now
that
we
have
the
pilot
program
and
there
is
only
14
small
businesses
in
it
I
think,
even
though
I
am
I,
consider
myself
us
an
environmentally
small
e-environmentalist,
but
I
think
we
would
need
to
expand
the
program
more
and
ensure
that
there
is
more
access
before
we
just
go
to
the
band
and
I
know.
The
city
is
probably
already
thinking
about
this.
X
So
I
know
earlier
I
asked
you
the
question
about
the
chamber,
and
you
already
mentioned
that
you're
working
with
the
Latino
Chambers,
so
I
would
say,
continue
on
that
work
to
find
ways
to
incentivize
access
to
electric
mowers
and
leaf
blowers,
and
also
I
appreciate
what
I
heard
earlier
when
it
comes
to
educating
those
small
businesses
and
also
currently,
there
is
actually
a
bill
going
through
the
legislature,
which
is
Senate
Bill
16,
that
offers
credits
and
incentives
for
the
purchase
of
electric
mowers
and
leaf
blowers.
X
So
I
think
again,
I
think
it
is
a
great
program.
14
people
is
a
great
start
to
the
pilot
program,
but
it
needs
to
be
expended
before
we
can
go
to
a
complete
ban
and
also
I
know.
You
mentioned
to
me
earlier
that
more
than
75
of
properties
currently
in
Boulder
utilize,
some
type
of
small
businesses
to
help
them
keeping
a
clean,
lawn,
I
think
the
other
30
as
well.
X
We
have
to
find
ways
to
incentivize
them
to
also
use
electric
mowers,
and
that
again
would
require
us
to
incentivize
the
purchase
of
these
type
of
electric
devices
or
appliances,
and
the
thing
is
even
good
for
people
without
incentives,
people
I
know
you
showed
us
some
of
the
as
part
of
the
conversations
that
you've
been
having
with
communities.
Some
people
are
willing
to
pay
more,
but
some
people
can't
afford
to
pay
more
so
I.
X
We
have
to
consider
that
in
the
bands,
as
we
are
moving
to
offer
more
options
to
community
members,
thank
you.
B
H
Yeah
I,
just
yeah
I,
just
put
I
I,
was
taking
a
call
and
put
my
hand
down,
as
you
were
doing
it
just
move
the
line
along.
My
comment
will
be
pretty
quick
just
to
maybe
offer
Clarity
of
what
maybe
the
majority
of
council
was
moving
toward,
which
is
kind
of
this
sort
of
lead
by
example,
phased
approach
over
time
and
allowing
those
staff
recommendations
to
best
fold
into
that,
and
it
kind
of
encapsulates
what
Aaron
or
you
know,
mayor
Brockett,
pointed
out
in
his
hotline.
H
So
I
just
want
to
give
credit
to
to
the
mayor
in
terms
of
him
pointing
that
out
as
well,
and
that
was
his
so
I
just
want
to
get
in
a
quick
sentence
say
that
that's
I
think
the
direction
that
we
were
maybe
all
agreeing
to,
but
just
to
put
it
in
a
tight
bow
around
it.
But
hopefully
that's
maybe
a
direction
we'll
go.
G
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
it's,
not
really
a
change
but
sort
of
a
little
going
in
the
same
direction,
just
that
as
we're
thinking
about
policy
changes
and
things
to
really
think
about
what
what
could
we
be
doing
with
regard
to
Landscaping
right
and
the
way
that
we're
encouraging
people
to
landscape?
And
you
know
if
we
are
focused
on
education,
around
electric
Landscape
Maintenance
equipment
thing
about
education
related
to
xeriscaping.
G
If
we're
looking
at
policy
changes
around
landscaping
equipment,
look
at
policy
changes
around
Landscaping
as
well
right
just
to
to
kind
of
go
in
in
both
directions
with
those
things
as
they're
similar.
So
slight
modification
but
I
know
you're
already
thinking
about
it
and
you
know,
and
working
in
that
direction.
I
would
just
like
to
see
us
kind
of
doing
both
of
those
things
if
we
are
going
in
those
directions.
AA
Thanks
Lauren,
just
a
couple
things
and
I'm
told
that
the
the
proper
science
branch
that
I
lacked
understanding
of
is
chemistry
and
not
physics.
So
sorry,
Boulder
I
know
neither
of
them
I
I
think,
following
up
on
on
both
Matt
and
Nicole,
you
know
continuing
to
focus
on
who
Bears
the
brunt
of
the
burden.
It's
it
is
the
workers
and
also
to
the
extent
that
we
are
allowed
to
look
at
it
in
terms
of
air
quality
impacts.
AA
You
know
the
Mark
said
earlier,
you
know,
I,
don't
know
anybody
who
likes
the
sound
of
of
leaf
blowers
and
I
gotta
say
in
my
neighborhood
I.
Don't
hear
them
like
I'm
I'm,
not
in
a
in
a
a
nicer
I,
guess:
I,
don't
know
a
more
affluent
neighborhood
where
we
have
a
lot
of
leaf
blowers,
so
I
don't
hear
them
and
I
think
that
that
the
air
quality
impacts
are
are
already
felt.
AA
You
know
inequitably
in
in
places
where
there's
a
lot
of
other
noise
pollution,
such
as
as
near
highways,
and
so
let's
be
mindful,
as
we
run
through,
that
Equity
instrument
who
who's
who's,
paying
the
bigger
cost
already
and
and
who's
who's
going
to
to
continue
to
pay
that,
and
so
also
I
guess
in
in
keeping
with
the
Landscaping
look
I
I
guess
I
have
some
concerns
about
sort
of
really
slow
walking
this
due
to
the
ramifications
that
it's
going
to
have
on
on
business
owners
and
I.
AA
Don't
want
to
be
insensitive
to
that,
but
I
also
like
I,
think
back
to
you
know
the
the
issues
that
we
have
had
with
closing
coal
mines
nationally
and
things
like
that,
like
it's
still
the
right
thing
to
do,
to
stop
a
pretty
big
harm,
be
it
noise
or
environmental
pollution,
and
so
we
I
don't
know
that
we
want
to
not
do
the
right
thing,
because
a
certain
few
dozen
or
hundred
people
are
going
to
be
out
of
pocket.
I.
AA
Think
the
better
better
answer
there
is
to
help
make
sure
that
they're
not
and-
and
you
know,
retrain
people
in
jobs,
as
we
were
doing
looking
with
coal
mines
and
things,
and
if
we
really
get
where
we
want
to
go
with
Landscaping
people
are
also
going
to
be
out
of
jobs.
So,
like
I
think
we
we
should.
We
should
kind
of
make
haste
doing
the
right
thing,
because
there
is
a
a
pretty
big
harm
that
that
comes
from
these
type
of
of
lawn
equipment
that
are
not
electric.
AA
So
I
think
that
is
all
of
my
comments.
I
I
support,
where
staff's
going
I
just
would
like
us
to
think
creatively
about
how
to
get
there
faster,
because
I
think
the
people
paying
paying
the
price
are
likely
to
be
kind
of
Downstream.
Of
of
those
who
are
benefiting
from
from
the
economics
thanks.
B
B
But
I
also
think
that
having
a
sales
ban
in
place
is
a
good
way
to
Signal
a
change
in
policy,
because
I
think
you
know,
there's
also
the
impact
of
the
equipment
and
the
manufacturing
and
all
of
that
and
the
sunk
cost
of
that
I
think
is
significant
to
people
and
so
I
do
think
that
at
least
for
residential
equipment,
having
you
know,
looking
at
a
ban
might
be
a
piece
of
the
education
puzzle
and
maybe
that
maybe
it
doesn't
apply
to
commercial
grade
equipment
or
something
like
that.
B
But
that's
just
my
two
cents
on
that
I
was
going
to
summarize
other
comments
that
I
hear
but
I
see
Tara's
hand
up.
AB
Yeah
I
was
just
I
was
I,
was
I
was
following
along
and
then
you
lost
me,
there
Lawrence
I'm
kind
of
confused
I,
guess
I'm,
not
sure
that
there's
there's
a
huge
difference
between
commercial
grade
and
red
Central
grade
I'm
sure
that
there
are
landscape
companies
that
use
smaller
equipment
that
we
all
might
think
of
as
residential
grade
and
I
know,
there's
bigger
stuff,
that's
commercial
grade,
but
I'm,
not
sure,
there's
a
super
bright
distinction
between
commercial
and
residential
and
and
I.
AB
Think
for
all
the
reasons
stated
both
in
the
memo
and
tonight,
a
ban
on
sales
is
not
going
to
be
particularly
effective
because
it's
going
to
be
so
easy
for
anybody
to
get
around
that
by
simply
buying
equipment,
someplace
else.
So
it
seems
to
me
like
we're
kind
of
down
to
a
decision.
Do
we
want
to
have
have
bans
on
uses
not
on
sales?
AB
Now
we
can
have
a
long
discussion
about
how
quickly
we
phase
that
in
and
what
education
and
BuyBacks
and
rebates
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
but
but
I
think
I'd,
probably
stay
away
from
distinguishing
between
commercial
and
residential
and
distinguish
and
also
stay
away
from
distinguishing
between
sales
and
use.
I
think
we
either
ban
use
whatever
the
phase-in
is,
or
we
don't,
but
I'm
not
sure
that
banning
sales
is
going
to
be
particularly
effective.
R
AB
Well,
I
mean
you
ban
ball
with
conventional
and
use,
but
but
what
we
really
care
is
use
right
care
about
is
use
yeah.
B
AB
Just
as
you're
moving
forward,
maybe
this
is
a
question
for
our
experts.
Then
I
know
California
banned
sales,
but
that's
a
whole
state.
People
probably
wouldn't
want
to
drive
over
to
Nevada
to
buy
equipment,
but
given
how
porous
our
borders
are
in
the
back
that
we're
surrounded
by
other
cities
that
wouldn't
have
bands
staff
recommended
against
a
band
of
sales.
But
what
is
what
do
the
experts
say
about
how
effective
that
would
be
as
a
first
step
to
a
Ultimate
Fan
of
use.
U
I
mean
I
I
would
offer
I
think
it
certainly
does
send
that
market
signal
I
mean
I,
think
that's,
it
would
be
its
principle
purpose.
I
did
want
to
note
that
there
is
discussion
at
the
state
level
right
now
about
potential
sales
ban,
and
so
there's
also
this
option
to
monitor
where
that
heads,
obviously
that's
the
most
effective
right.
U
So
if
it's
a
Front
Range
it's
it's,
it
certainly
is
going
to
and
and
they're
obviously
going
to
Target,
residential
first
and
Commercial
and
and
those
types
of
things
I
just
wanted
to
flag
that
and
then
Dan
anything.
You
want
to
add
to
my
response.
Yeah.
W
Put
my
I'm
sorry,
my
glasses,
Bob,
I
I
would
say
if,
if
you're
going
to
ban
the
sales
I,
definitely
leave
some
off-ramps
in
there
just
in
case
supply
chain
issues
come
about.
This
is
fairly
new
here
in
California,
and
the
California
air
resources
board
definitely
has
off-ramps
to
Pivot.
Should
there
be
such
issues,
I
believe
so
I
I
would
just
make
sure
to
to.
W
You
know
just
have
those
off
ramps.
If,
if
you
were
to
move
forward
with
some
type
of
ban
on
sale
and
then
the
distinction
between
residential
and
Commercial,
we
know
about
it.
We
we
know
the
components
used
in
the
PCU
boards
and
the
battery
Management
systems
and
the
cells
themselves.
You
just
really
want
to
look
to
the
warranties
and
then
that's
going
to
tell
you
all.
You
need
to
know.
W
B
Thank
you,
Tara.
K
Because
the
state
is
working
on
this
now
and
thinking
about
and
probably
going
to
do
some
things,
I
I
think
we
should
go
with
what
staff
said
with
that
phased
approach
and
do
a
wait
and
see
and
let
the
state
take
the
lead
on
this
I
mean
unless
you
want
local
control
just
kidding.
That
was
a
joke.
From
last
week.
K
Anyway,
that's
my
suggestion
that
we
go
along
with
what
staff
said,
which,
by
the
way,
was
really
great.
It
was
a
great
presentation
and
really
thought
well
thought
out,
especially
the
racial
Equity
part,
because
I
was
really
struggling
with.
You
know
how
much
to
push,
because
it
is
so
important,
but
also
it's
the
livelihood
of
people
so
I
appreciate
all
the
work
you
put
into
it.
So
I
go
with
that
door
door
number
one.
AB
I
just
have
a
question
Kara,
because
I
I
didn't
drag
her
out
this
time.
So
are
you
saying
that
you
would
not
do
any
either
sales
or
use
bands
in
Boulder,
but
you'd
sit
back
and
see
if
the
state
acts
sometime
in
the
next
few
years
or
no.
AB
Would
you
be
okay
doing
both?
In
other
words,
we'll
start
start
bands
here
locally,
obviously
lapse
us,
that's
great
and
that's
the
most
most
effective
as
Dan
said,
but
but
get
going
here
locally
and
then
and
then
also
Monitor
and
push
the
state.
Is
that
what
you're
saying.
K
I
am
saying,
is
I
agreed
with
the
staff's
phased
approach
and
what
they
said,
but
as
far
as
Banning
sales
I,
don't
think
we
should
do.
It
doesn't
seem
to
make
sense.
It's
it's
like
we're
known
as
the
Banning
people
that
our
government,
like
one
more
rule,
one
more.
You
know
no
sugar,
no,
no
I'm
just
kidding,
but
I'm,
really
not
kidding
that
I.
K
AB
I
didn't
follow
Lauren,
so
I'm
in
favor
of
moving
forward
with
with
sales
or
use
bands
on
whatever
phase
and
approach
the
staff
recommends,
but
and
in
parallel
nudging.
The
state
I.
V
B
So
I'm
gonna
summarize
the
recommendations
that
staff
has
made
and
the
additional
things
that
I
have
heard
so
just
to
make
sure
that
we're
all
on
the
same
page,
so
staff
has
recommended
a
policy
these
following
strategies:
a
policy
Focus
where
we
would
advocate
for
state
level,
action,
sales,
bans,
tax
credits,
educational
and
Outreach,
sorry,
education
and
Outreach,
where
we
would
encourage
voluntary
electric
equipment,
adoption
and
business
education.
B
I
also
heard
sort
of
a
well
Matt
sort
of
had
this
lead
by
example,
with
the
phased
approach,
a
staff
laid
out
which
I
think
yeah
anyway.
It's
what
we
all
agree
to
I
also
heard
support
for
landscape
changes.
B
I
would,
in
terms
of
our
regulations
and
what's
required
around
Landscaping
I
would
agree
with
Nicole
on
that,
especially
if
we're
doing
other
educational
Outreach
initiatives
around
Landscaping.
It
seems
like
a
great
time
if
we're
going
to
do
a
code
change
to
fold
both
in
together
in
terms
of
education
and
Outreach.
B
From
Rachel,
I
heard
a
focus
on
bearing
who
a
focus
on
looking
at
who
Bears
the
brunt
of
these
changes.
As
we
move
forward.
AB
Well,
some
of
these
are
things
to
do
now,
like
you
know,
education
and
lobbying
the
state
and
some
are
like
we'll
get
around
to
it
in
the
future.
I
want
to
know
what
the
future
is
is
the
future
like
one
year
from
now
or
ten
years
from
now,
because
I
don't
think
we're
being
responsive
to
our
community.
We
we
have
81
percent
of
the
people
who
were
surveyed
said
that
these
things
are
very
annoying
to
them.
AB
I
received
I've
received
six
I,
went
back
and
kind
of
received
60
emails
from
community
members
over
the
last
six
months.
So
notwithstanding
Mark's
comment
that
not
a
lot
of
people
care
about
this
I
think
a
lot
of
people
do
care
about
this,
so
I
think
if
the
newspaper
article
tomorrow
is
yeah
Council
said:
let's
do
some
education
and
we'll
get
we'll
think
about
these
other
things
in
the
future.
AB
I
I,
don't
think
that's
a
response
to
what
our
community's
asked
for
so
I'd
like
to
take
some
action
out
and
construct
staff
to
go
forward.
We
can
have
an
interesting
discussion
about
whether
the
future
is
measured
in
months
or
years
or
decades.
But
let's,
let's
move
forward
here,
I
I.
It
feels
like
we're
just
kicking
the
scan
down
the
road.
B
I
appreciate
that
thank
you,
Bob
Juni
and
Tara.
X
X
My
understanding,
there's
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
the
program
I,
would
urge
the
city
to
continue
its
partnership
with
whether
it's
the
chamber
or
other
groups
to
to
expand
that
program,
so
that,
if
we're
heading
to
ban
to
a
ban
is
that
you
know
people
steal,
they
can
do
it
right.
We
can
just
assume
that
oh
yeah,
let's
just
ban,
let's
just-
have
a
ban
on
use
or
sell,
and
then
you
expect
community
members
to
come
up
with
what
what
was
the
cost.
X
I
saw
earlier,
eight
to
ten
thousand
dollars
and
or
commercial
equipment.
But
if
it's
a
one
for
personal
use,
it's
still
going
to
cost
a
lot
of
money.
So
I
think
we
have
to
do
a
better
job
at
incentivizing
these
these
type
of
equipments.
Yes,
there
are
bills
that
are
coming
forward
to
help
community
members
with
them,
but
ultimately,
if
we're
going
to
have
a
band,
we
have
to
think
economically.
How
is
that
going
to
impact
community
members
and
I
understand
some
people
are
thinking?
Oh,
yes,
it's
the
environment.
X
Yes,
it
is
the
environment,
but
ultimately
it's
going
to
impact
community
members
as
well,
so
we
have
to
take
a
multi-prong
approach
and
the
way
we
look
at
this,
let's
have
the
band
great.
But
what
does
that
mean
for
community
members
who
can't
afford
to
just
buy
a
piece
of
equipment
when
we
have
that
ban
as
well?
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you,
Juni
and
I
had
a
follow-up
question
from
sort
of
what
Bob
was
saying.
Carolyn
I
was
wondering
if
you
could
maybe
give
us
a
little
more
information
about
what
you
guys
were
thinking
when
you
said
future
consideration.
Is
that
something
that
might
is
there
any
plan
for
bringing
that
forward,
or
is
that,
like
that
six
months,
future
is
that
six
years
future.
U
You
know
I
think
from
our
recommendation.
We
would
we
would
recommend
any
kind
of
regulatory
strategy
be
a
phasing.
So,
of
course
our
preferred
option
would
be
to
start
with
more
of
a
seasonal
restriction
and
still
allow
gas
powered
in
the
in
the
heavy
debris
Seasons
timing
on
that
we
would
want
to
have
enough
Runway
to
do
the
you
know
I
think,
to
to
junie's
point
to
do
the
education
and
Outreach.
U
So
it
could
be
something
that
we
signal
for
a
date
in
the
future,
so
we
could
take
it
up
sooner
put
it
on
the
books
as
a
date
that
gives
us
some
of
that
Runway
to
do
that.
Outreach
and
education,
so,
like
I,
wouldn't
recommend
a
band.
That's
effective
in
2024.
U
I
think
we
won't
be
successful.
I,
I
and
I
think
we
have
to
expand
a
lot
of
resources
to
make
that
happen,
but
it
could
be
something
that's
farther
out
and
then
that
could
be
replaced
or
you
know
like
it
could
be
even
I'm.
Gonna
come
up
with
the
number,
but,
let's
just
say
in
three
years:
it's
a
it's
a
seasonal
restriction
by
2030.
It's
electric
only
would
be
a
sequencing
or
it's
electric
all
equipment,
I
think
I,
think
when
you
were
going
through.
U
The
summary
we'd
recommend
either
just
focusing
on
the
leaf
blower
or
electrical
equipment,
not
one
or
not,
not
both
of
them,
but
just
thinking
about
which
one
is
the
preferred
based
on
on
technology.
And
so
those
are.
Those
are
kind
of
the
two
choices,
but
starting
not
with
a
full
electric
only
requirement
and
allow
for
that
seasonal
until
until
the
technology
continues
to
catch
up
a
little
bit
be
our
recommendation.
Y
Thanks
Carolyn,
so
we're
definitely
we're
in
the
beginning
phases
right
now
we're
in
development
with
creating
contracts
with
local
retailers.
So
we've
not
shelled
out
any
funds
or
any
equipment
out.
So
we're
really
at
the
beginning
stages
and
we've
got
a
lot
of
hype
and
momentum.
Y
Y
So
I
would
say:
we'd
have
a
good
guess,
come
January
or
so
give
them
a
chance
to
use
the
new
tools.
We'll
survey
them
afterwards,
especially
when
they
have
a
little
bit
more
time
to
get
their
feet
under
them
after
a
busy
season,
so
I
would
say:
January,
okay,.
U
Think
if
we're
going
to
take
a
regulatory
approach,
I
mean
I.
I
just
want
to
be
honest,
there's
a
there's
gonna
be
like.
If
we
want
to
bring
forward
a
regulatory
strategy,
then
we
need
to
bring
in
our
enforcement
team
to
have
that
conversation
about
what
the
resource
needs
are
going
to
go
with
it
most
of
the
communities
that
have
gone.
U
This
way,
you
know,
have
dedicated
enforcement
staff
Associated,
specifically
with
this
and
and
I
definitely
want
Council
to
be
informed
by
by
what's
going
to
be
necessary
and
kind
of
what
on
those
outcomes
would
be,
because
it
is
a
lift
and
so
I
I
also
appreciate
the
fact
that
Council
has
heard
from
community
that
there's
a
desire
for
a
band.
So
if
we're
going
to
take
a
regulatory
strategy,
that
would
be
our
preferred
initial
one,
because
we
think
it's
the
one.
U
We
would
have
the
greatest
amount
of
success
with
the
least
amount
of
impact.
We
would
create
more
familiarity
with
Electric
Tools
during
the
the
less
stressful
seasons
of
of
the
summer
months
and
create
better
trust
and
capacity
within
the
landscaping
business
to
make
that
ultimate
transition
towards
electric.
U
So
if
there's
a
regulatory
strategy
desired,
then
we
would
recommend
a
seasonal
ban,
as
opposed
to
me
saying
I'm
recommending
we
take
a
regulatory
strategy,
I
think
personally,
it's
a
significant
resource,
lift
that
I
think
I
also
would
need
to
balance
against
some
of
the
other
opportunities
or
needs,
and
so
I
think
there's
some
fair
questions
about
where
this
is
in
in
the
stack
of
what
we
want
to
dedicate
staff
resources
towards.
B
Thank
you,
Sarah
and
Carolyn
I
also
see
Jonathan,
you
came
off
mute.
Would
you
have
some
anything
you
want
to
add.
Z
Well,
yeah,
thank
you.
Councilman
Brokers
and
I
I
forgot
to
introduce
myself
earlier.
Jonathan
Cohen
with
the
climate
initiatives
department
and
I
I
really
want
to
appreciate
Council.
Taking
the
time
to
to
have
this
good
conversation
and
I
was
just
going
to
try
to
move
us
into
at
least
what
I
think
our
our
next
steps.
And
then
maybe
you
can
question
or
correct
me
if
I
get
this
wrong.
I
think
that
what
I
am
hearing
is
there
is
a
really
good
support
for
what
I'm
describing
as
the
No
Regret
strategies.
Z
So
these
are
the
things
that
we're
going
to
do
regardless
of
of
any
regulatory
approach.
So
that's
the
incentives,
that's
the
education,
that's
working
with
the
state
to
really
Drive
transformational
change
at
scale,
I'm,
looking
to
see
what's
going
to
happen
at
the
state
level,
with
respect
to
a
potential
Regional
wide
ban
on
sale.
Those
are
all
things
that
are
going
to
continue
to
be
in
motion
where
I
feel
like
we're
getting
a
little
bit
hung
up.
Is
this
binary
question
of?
Do
we
want
to
move
forward
with
some
regulatory
policy
related
component?
Z
We,
which
would
look
like
one
of
three
things:
a
ban
on
sale,
a
ban
on
use
both
as
if
we
talked
about
a
little
bit
earlier
and
as
what
staff
was
trying
to
describe
as
we
felt
like
there
was
appetite
both
in
the
community
and
on
Council
to
actually
move
in
that
direction
and
I.
Think
what
Carolyn
and
what
you
heard
tonight
is
we're
not
ready
to
go,
and
we
would
not
recommend
a
full
ban
on
sale
or
use
at
this
time.
Z
We
would
want
to
phase
it
in
and
so
I
guess
what
I
would
try
to
summarize
is
it.
What
I
am
hearing
is
that
there
is
an
interest
in
moving
in
that
direction,
in
which
case
what
we
would
do
as
staff
is
to
go
back
and
potentially
bring
back
to
you
what
it
would
look
like
in
terms
of
actual
language
to
do
a
seasonal
ban,
and
then
council
could
have
that
conversation.
Does
it
go
far
enough
for
you?
Z
Does
it
not,
or
does
it
go
too
far,
and
that's
where
I
think
maybe
we
can
have
a
conversation
of
do
we
actually
want
to
look
at
going
a
little
bit
further
with
a
sales
ban
or
you
span
and
does
the
phasing
and
the
timing
of
that
phasing
work
for
Council?
So
that's
at
least
what
I'm
hearing
and
I
would
love
someone
to
to
tell
me
if
I
got
that
wrong,
but
Nicole
I'm.
Sorry,
if
I
jumped
in
in
front
of
you
I
see
that
your
hand
is
up.
B
Well
can
I,
maybe
just
take
a
kind
of
a
temperature
on
the
room
on
that
one
I
think
that
what
Jonathan
laid
out
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
Is
there
interest
in
having
staff
look
at
bands
of
some
kind
and
the
phasing
approach
related
to
those
bands.
G
Can
I
asked
my
question
first
Lauren,
because
it
is
how
I'm
going
to
answer
that
question?
Okay,
thanks
and
thank
you,
Jonathan
I
think
you
did
summarize
really
well
and
Lauren
you
as
well.
My
question
is
Jonathan.
If
you
all
were
to
go
forward
and
look
at
you
know
creating
a
band
setting
some
policy
around
what
that
might
look
like
what
does
that
take
you
away
from,
because
I
know
you
all
aren't
sitting
around
twiddling
your
thumbs
waiting
for
us
to
give
you
work
to
do
so.
What
does
that
take
away?
Z
Z
I
think
the
next
phase
in
looking
at
a
regulatory
piece
is
probably
not
a
huge
lift,
but
I
also
want
to
I
want
to
counter
that
that
that
is
paired
with
all
the
stuff
that
I
mentioned,
that
we
want
to
continue
to
move
forward
with
the
incentives
and
I
think
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
also
looking
at
this
really
critical
issue
of.
If
we're
going
to
go
to
some
enforcement
mechanism,
who's
going
to
be
doing
that
enforcement
are
do
we
have
the
capacity
to
actually
do
that.
I
would
say
right
now.
Z
Today
we
don't
the
whether
that
is
something
that
is
a
policing
power,
whether
it
goes
to
our
our
code
enforcement
officials.
So
we
want
to
think
a
little
bit
about
that.
So
there
is
some
internal
work.
Z
We'd
want
to
do
with
the
attorney's
office
and
with
our
our
Planning
Development
Services,
to
Department
to
really
understand
capacity,
so
I
I
think
it
is
it's
going
to
be
a
left,
no
question,
but
again,
if
this
is
the
direction
that
Council
wants
us
to
go
in,
that's
I
think
why
we
were
trying
to
land
on
this
Middle
Ground
of
a
based
approach,
because
I
will
tell
you
going
to
a
full-scale
ban
sometime
relatively
soon
in
the
next
year.
That's
going
to
be
significant
and
we
are
not
resourced
to
do
that.
Z
U
If
I
could
Club
I
can't
do
the
word
if
I
can
add
to
what
Jonathan
said
you
guys
are
like
me,
you
know:
we've
been
to
this
point:
we've
been
managing
this
largely
internal
to
The
Climate
initiatives.
U
Department,
you
know
if
it
comes
to
a
regulatory
strategy,
we're
not
the
enforcement
arm,
and
so
we
haven't
been
leaning
heavily
on
our
colleagues
and
police
and
code
enforcement
to
to
truly
help
inform
this,
and
so
you
know,
I'd
certainly
want
to
look
to
them
as
as
to
what
capacity
they
can
deliver
in
terms
of
helping
structure.
U
Something
and
put
that
thoughtfulness
in
so
I
wouldn't
want
to
speak
for
them
tonight,
I
mean,
but
that
would
be
that
would
be.
Who
would
have
to
come
into
the
conversation
for
the
lift
part
of
it.
So
we
can
certainly
check
back
on
I
mean
I.
Think
if
it's,
if
it's
an
important
thing,
we
will
certainly
do
that.
I
just
wanted
to
to
just
name
the
fact
that
we're
not
exactly
speaking
just
for
ourselves
here
when
it
comes
to
the
capacity
concern.
B
So
maybe
it's
a
slightly
different
question.
Maybe
it
is
actually
do
we
have
support
on
Council
to
look
at
what
the
trade-offs
would
be
just
or
a
ban,
and
if
there
are
any
other,
you
know
what
kind
of
the
timeline
might
look
like
and
what
impacts
that
might
have
on
other
Council
priorities
or
work.
That
staff
has.
B
H
I
think
we're
kind
of
circling
a
little
bit
here,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
to
bring
us
home
a
little
bit.
Jonathan
summary
I
think
was
the
best
Cliff
Notes
version
of
the
memo
possible
and
clearly
because
I
I
want
there's
a
chance
to
give
staff
credit.
H
We
give
them
that
approval
rubber
stamp
it
and
then
let
them
March
back
and
if
there's
questions
or
Forks
in
the
road
as
they
do
that
analysis,
I
trust
that
they'll
come
back
to
us,
but
but
I
think
we're
getting
a
little
too
caught
up
on
on
too
many
of
the
nuances
of
ban
or
not
band
that
let
them
continue
their
work
and
take
the
direction
they've,
gotten
and
I
think
they've
gotten
it
so
I
think
we're
right.
H
There
I
think
we
just
need
to
kind
of
give
the
thumbs
up
of
yes
and
and
March
along.
B
Thank
you,
Matt
yeah
I
mean
I
I.
Think
it
there's
still
the
question
to
me
of
I
I
think
the
answer
is
yes,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
do
actually
want
to
have
staff
move
forward
with
looking
at
a
ban
or
considering
that
right
like
because
that
does
sound
like
it
is
going
to
take
time
and
it's
not
a
Direction.
B
G
Know
I
think
we're
all
getting
tired.
Apologies
so,
but
I
think
that's
kind
of
what
I
heard
Jonathan.
You
say
yes
to
Matt's
point
right
that
you
can
kind
of
do
this
without
putting
tons
of
work
into
it
and
come
back
with
some
information
in
parallel
with
all
this
other
stuff
am
I.
Is
that
right?
Okay,.
U
I
mean
I
think
from
a
general
timing
and
I
just
want
to
test
this
out
with
with
Council
I
think
it
would
be
great
for
us
to
maybe
provide
an
update
as
the
pilot
progresses,
and
you
know
some
of
the
policy
actions
we're
seeing
and
some
of
the
the
rulemaking
we're
seeing
out
of
the
regional
air
quality
commission.
U
Is
this
year,
progresses
and
use
that
to
inform
it
and
complete
our
analysis
with
Dan,
and
then
we
can
provide
that
update
and
then
schedule
what
would
be
a
follow-on
conversation,
but
also
just
share
some
information
through
there.
An
information
packet
or
other
updates
that
we
can
share
does
that
is
that,
in
line
with
what
we're
hearing
I
see
head
shaking
I'll.
Take
that
as
as
guidance.
So
thank
you.
That's
helpful.
B
AB
I
H
AB
I
I
I
left
my
gas
powered
laptop
behind,
so
I
had
to
rely
on
batteries
and
unfortunately,
my
battery
died.