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A
A
B
A
All
right
next
announcements,
boards
and
commissions
annual
recruitment
has
closed,
but
we
are
still
recruiting
for
the
following
boards
due
to
the
low
number
or
zero
number
of
applications
received
for
them.
So
those
are
the
beverage
licensing
authority,
the
boulder
junction
access
district
parking,
boulder
junction
access,
district
travel
demand
management,
the
board
of
zoning
adjustment,
cannabis
licensing,
advisory
board,
design,
advisory
board,
downtown
management,
commission,
the
library
commission
and
the
university
hill
commercial
area
management.
E
E
A
So,
let's
move
on
we're
going
to
start
the
meeting
with
a
assault
on
a
solemn
note,
with
a
proclamation
of
the
boulder
day
of
remembrance
of
march
22nd.
So
if
we
could
get
the
slides
up
for
that,
please.
A
Okay,
the
city
of
boulder
is
committed
to
remembering
march
22nd
annually,
due
to
the
upcoming
spring
break.
We
have
no
scheduled
council
meeting
next
week
when
the
22nd
falls,
but
we
do,
however,
want
to
ensure
that
the
tragedy
that
occurred
in
south
boulder
on
march
22
2021
is
not
forgotten
and
that
we
take
time
this
evening
and
next
week
to
honor
and
acknowledge
the
victims,
their
families
first
responders
and
the
critical
support
of
our
entire
community.
A
A
A
So
this
slide
highlights
the
city's
activities
that
are
scheduled
for
march
22
2022..
These
events
will
be
held
rain
or
shine
and
are
open
to
the
public.
We
encourage
you
to
consider
alternative
modes
of
transportation
when
arriving
for
these
events,
but
we'll
provide
a
qr
code
which
can
be
used
in
city-owned
downtown
garages
that
evening,
if
you
plan
to
arrive
by
vehicle
for
the
event
at
the
band
shell,
the
code
will
be
shared
at
via
city
social
media.
A
F
A
A
Let
us
never
allow
this
third
death
of
our
ten
fallen
neighbors.
Let
us
take
the
time
to
speak.
Their
names
celebrate
their
lives,
mourn
their
passing
as
long
as
we
remember
them,
they
will
never
truly
die,
and
so,
as
our
modest
and
humble
gesture,
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
boulder
declares
that
every
year
in
perpetuity
march,
22nd
should
be
designated
the
bolder
day
of
remembrance.
A
A
G
I've
talked
to
several
people
in
the
last
few
days,
who've
indicated
that
they
have
been
depressed
for
the
last
year
or
were
leaving
town
for
the
coming
week,
because
it's
going
to
be
too
hard,
so
I'm
pretty
sensitive
to
the
amount
of
trauma
that
we
are,
that
we're
still
experiencing
and
processing,
and
so
just
want
to
ask
you
mentioned
aaron.
G
H
So
I'll
start
and
say
yes
that
continues
to
be
there
and
we
will
continue
to
have
messages
go
out
publicly
as
that
moves
forward,
but
a
vet.
Perhaps
I'll
call
upon
you
to
share
what
if
anything
is
available
that
particular
day
as
we
gather
on
march
22nd.
I
Thank
you
for
your
question
and
nuria
thanks
for
allowing
me
to
provide
a
little
bit
more
information.
Community
members
are
invited
to
continue
to
seek
health
and
mental
health
partners
and
through
the
boulder
strong
resource
center,
they
will
be
open
that
day.
In
addition,
we're
very
thankful
that
both
organizations
will
be
participating
at
the
events
that
are
listed
for
the
city.
There
are
so
many
members
of
the
community
who
are
also
reaching
out
to
provide
support.
I
G
Thanks
yvette
and
please
pardon
elmer
there,
so
I
look.
I
look
forward
to
participating
in
the
day
of
remembrance
next
week
and
hope
that
we
can
all
be
just
sort
of
extra
gentle
with
each
other
and
what's
sure
to
be
a
hard
time.
So
thanks
aaron
for
the
declaration.
A
Okay,
I'm
not
seeing
any
of
their
hands
raised,
so
why
don't
we
go
ahead
and
close
this
out
and
transition
to
the
next
section
of
our
meeting.
A
Okay,
so
thank
you
all
for
that.
We'll
now
do
open
comment
and
so
ryan.
If
you
could
go
over
the
public
participation
guidelines
for
us,
please.
J
Everything
emily
will
be
pulling
up
those
slides,
thank
you
emily
and
thank
you
to
you,
members
who
are
joining
us
this
evening
to
share
your
perspective,
experience
and
your
thoughts,
a
few
guidelines
for
public
participation.
This
evening
the
city
has
engaged
with
community
members
to
co-create
a
vision
for
productive,
meaningful
and
inclusive
civic
conversations.
J
J
A
A
K
Okay,
yeah
hi,
my
name
is
ramsey
abuela,
I
have
a
degree
in
neuroscience
and
I
work
in
the
clinical
research
industry
and
I
live
in
boulder
and
I'm
here
to
speak
in
support
of
the
recent
push
to
get
anthogenic
plants
and
fungi
decriminalized
in
boulder.
I
know
that
some
of
us
have
already
touched
base
with
some
of
you
on
city
council
about
our
endeavor
and
get
ready
to
hear
a
lot
more
from
us
in
the
coming
weeks
and
months.
K
The
reason
I'm
speaking
today
is
to
inform
city
council
and
the
rest
of
the
public
of
a
major
rally
for
psychedelic
decriminalization
that
is
being
held
this
friday
at
6
pm
at
the
riverside
in
downtown
boulder.
You've,
probably
seen
the
building
dozens
of
times
it's
right
there
on
the
corner
of
broadway
and
arapaho,
and
this
friday
is
your
chance
to
finally
go
in
there
and
and
join
the
community
and
the
public
for
a
a
rally,
and
at
this
rally,
there's
going
to
be
public
speaking.
K
People
from
the
community
are
going
to
show
up
and
speak
about
their
experiences
and
why
they
believe
in
decriminalization
and
then
also
there's
going
to
be
a
group
of
indigenous
peoples
who
are
going
to
be
there
and
they're
going
to
deliver
a
land
acknowledgment
and
a
land
honoring.
So
it's
going
to
be
a
really
great
opportunity
to
see
the
community
come
out
and
speak
and
hear
indigenous
people
come
out
and
speak
and
yeah.
K
So
it's
your
opportunity
to
come
out
and
see
community
to
hear
speeches
from
community
to
hear
the
indigenous
community
speak
up
and
if
anything,
just
show
up
for
the
the
public
speaking
segment
just
to
hear
the
voices
of
the
community
and
who
knows,
you
might
even
want
to
stay
for
the
live
music
for
some
of
the
most
talented
local
musicians
in
boulder.
K
I
think
and
when
when
a
similar
group
threw
a
similar
event
like
this
in
ann
arbor
a
few
years
ago,
we
actually
had
three
members
of
city
council
show
up
to
the
rally
in
ann
arbor.
Let's
see
if
boulder
can
do
better
than
ann
arbor,
let's
hope
to
get
more
than
three
city
council
members
to
show
up
at
this
rally,
and
I
will
send
all
of
you
invitations
via
email,
to
get
more
information
about
this
event.
Thank
you
so
much
hope
to
see
you.
There.
A
L
Good
evening,
council
members,
thank
you
so
much
for
this
opportunity.
Leslie
glustrom
here
and
I
am
always
so
moved
and
so
grateful
to
you
all
for
your
service.
I
love
living
in
boulder
and
I
am
so
grateful
that
year
after
year
we
end
up
with
really
great
council
members.
So
thank
you
so
very
much.
As
many
of
you
know.
I
do
a
lot
of
work
on
climate
change,
so
I
wanted
to
bring
the
council
a
little
bit
of
an
update
on
where
we
are
and
I'm
not
seeing
my
timer.
L
So
maybe
somebody
can
help
me
with
that
when
we
get
to
two
minutes
and
one
minutes
and
things
like
that,
so
sadly
we're
not
getting
a
lot
of
reporting
in
the
local
paper,
so
we'll
be
showing
up
from
time
to
time.
L
The
first
slide
just
reminds
us
that,
while
we've
made
a
lot
of
progress
on
electricity,
it's
still
more
or
less
tied
with
transportation
for
colorado's
top
two
sources
of
greenhouse
gas
emissions,
and
when
we
look
at
the
next
slide,
which
I
think
will
come,
we
can
see
that
in
boulder,
its
electricity
is
very
much
the
largest
single
source
of
greenhouse
gas
emissions,
2020
data
here
at
41
from
electricity
and
looking
at
the
next
slide
for
people
who
are
listening.
I'm
trying
to
describe
the
slides
as
we
go.
L
The
next
slide
helps
us
get
some
sense
of
how
much
carbon
dioxide
is
coming
and
we
start
with
coal
plants,
because
that's
what
we
saw
in
the
inventory
coal
plants
emit
usually
one
to
five
million
tons
of
carbon
dioxide
a
year.
If
we
just
think
about
one
million
tons
of
carbon
dioxide,
it's
a
little
less
than
the
carbon
dioxide
emissions
from
197
000
passenger
vehicles.
L
Having
the
big
discussion
about
is
when
we
finally
close
that
we're
making
progress,
but
we
should
be
doing
it
now,
because
it's
down
it's
not
operating
so,
let's.
Why
would
we
ever
fix
a
coal
plant
in
the
21st
century
so
but
when
it's
three
to
five
million
tons,
so
when
we
stop
doing
it,
it'll
be
the
equivalent
of
taking
over
500
000
passenger
vehicles
off
the
road
and
respectfully
to
everything
else
that
we
do
in
boulder.
Nothing
can
come
close
to
that.
These
are
the
sorts
of
things
that
I
would
like
to
see.
A
L
Very
good-
and
I
might
ask
mr
mayor
it's
very
hard
to
do
when
you
don't
have
a
timer.
I
didn't
think
that
I
should
have
my
own
timer,
so
maybe
that
would
be
a
way
to
both
be
able
to
show
slides
and
the
timer
at
the
same
time,
but.
A
Okay,
I
understand
that
the
next
three
speakers-
lin
siegel,
teddy
roverka
and
robert
love-
are
not
present
hope
everybody's
all
right
tonight.
Next,
we
have
michelle
rodriguez
max
goldmasel
and
steve
whitaker.
J
J
A
B
Hi
city
council
am
I
coming
in
clearly,
yes,
hi.
Thank
you
so
much
I'd
like
to
start
with
a
land
acknowledgement.
I
honor
and
acknowledge
that
what
is
currently
called
boulder
county
sits
on
the
unseated
traditional
territories
and
ancestral
homelands
of
the
hananei
cheyenne,
sioux
and
ut
nations.
Tonight,
I'd
like
to
talk
about
cu
south
and
starting
and
ending
with
a
quote
alienated
from
nature.
Human
existence
becomes
a
void.
The
wellspring
of
life
and
spiritual
growth
gone
utterly
dry.
Man
grows
ever
more
ill
and
wary
in
the
midst
of
his
curious
civilization.
B
That
is
but
a
struggle
over
a
tiny
bit
of
time
and
space.
It's
the
property
called
cu
south
is
not
a
foregone
conclusion.
Its
fate
is
not
written
in
stone.
Let
us
not
forget
that
when
the
previous
city
council
passed
the
annexation
by
emergency
ballot,
measure,
302
is
rendered
moot
passing
the
agreement.
In
september,
boulder
city
council
denied
us
our
rights
to
local
community
self-government
in
november.
Even
if
we
voted
on
302,
yes
or
no,
the
outcome
of
the
annexation
was
already
made.
B
We
questioned
the
validity
of
labeling,
the
annexation
and
emergency
in
response
to
this
questionable
decision.
The
referendum
to
repeal
the
annexation
of
cu
south
property
will
not
pass
by
traditional
means
not
through
the
channels
of
politics
that
we
may
be
used
to,
but
it
will
pass
because
of
emotional
empathic
and
edifying
channels
of
communication
and
connection
your
constituents.
Thousands
and
thousands
of
residents
are
mobilizing
rallying,
fundraising
and
campaigning
to
repeal
the
annexation
agreement
by
referendum
this
november
2022.
B
We
all
want
our
great
grandchildren
to
walk
the
trails
with
unobstructed
views
of
the
mountains
next
to
preserve
riparian
habitats,
feeling
a
sense
of
well-being,
knowing
we
preserve
nature
by
stopping
the
annexation
construction
and
served
our
downstream
neighbors
at
the
same
time,
by
keeping
this
area
non-structural
as
it
should
be,
a
water
detention
area
for
potential
floods,
they
are
wetlands.
After
all,
the
construction
of
the
annexation
agreement
will
cause
trauma.
Mental
and
environmental
harm,
a
tragic
loss
of
colorado
wetlands,
if
not
stopped,
to
quote
a
new
hampshire
rights
of
nature
movement.
Member.
B
A
A
M
Great
thank
you.
First,
I
want
to
thank
the
and
again
my
name
is
steve
whitaker
and
I
am
a
resident
of
boulder
and
I
first
wanted
to
thank
the
members
of
the
council
for
your
work
on
behalf
of
the
people
of
boulder,
I'm
impressed
by
the
amount
of
work
you
do
in
this
role.
M
M
With
respect
to
the
climate
action
plan
tax,
it
has
been
proposed
to
increase
this
tax
to
about
five
million
dollars
a
year.
The
question
is
how
much
greenhouse
gas
reduction
will
this
produce
per
year
in
describing
its
work?
To
date,
the
city
has
emphasized
the
actions
taken
in
various
programs,
but
not
in
terms
of
the
estimated
greenhouse
gas
reduction
produced
by
each
program.
M
My
request
to
the
council
is
to
ask
for
this
information
so
that
the
voters
can
evaluate
the
impacts
in
relationship
to
the
costs
with
respect
to
the
excel
boulder
partnership
agreement.
It's
my
observation.
To
date,
it's
it's
unclear
how
much
if
any
greenhouse
gases
have
been
reduced
as
the
sole
direct
result
of
this
partnership
agreement.
M
M
N
All
right
there
we
go.
Thank
you
so
much
real
quick.
On
a
personal
note,
I
just
want
to
thank
rachel
for
bringing
up
the
mental
health
issues
that
have
occurred
since
the
shooting.
I
am,
unfortunately,
one
of
those
who
never
ever
suffered
from
depression
until
march
22nd
of
2021,
and
it's
been
a
a
dark
hole
to
climb
out
of
so,
but
I
am
here
tonight
on
behalf
of
the
boulder
chamber
representing
over
1200
businesses
and
60
000
members
of
the
workforce.
N
I
want
to
talk
about
the
library
district
and
I
want
to
know
that
we
do
not
have
an
official
position
on
this.
We
know
that,
for
you
guys,
it's
just
a
discussion
tonight,
it's
not
a
vote,
but
we
have
received
a
bunch
of
feedback
from
our
businesses
that
we
wanted
to
share
with
you.
As
you
move
into
our
discussion
or
your
discussion.
N
First,
we
support
libraries
for
so
many
reasons
as
a
community
amenity
amenity,
a
public
education,
information
resource,
it's
really
a
foundation
for
civic
understanding
and
discourse,
there's
also
an
important
nexus
with
small
businesses.
In
fact,
we
know
that
there's
hundreds
of
small
businesses
that
began
at
the
boulder
library,
but
that
being
said,
we
have
heard
three
key
concerns.
N
One
is
that
our
members
traditionally
reflect
the
perspective
of
the
blue
ribbon
budget
panel,
that
that
says
not
to
silo
government
resources.
It's
considered
poor
governance
management
and
it
often
reduces
flexibility
to
address
evolving
community
needs.
The
next
is
that
business
leaders
aren't
sure
if
it's
good
governance,
to
create
a
separate,
independent
government
institution
to
manage
library,
resources
which
moves
the
control
out
of
our
elected
leadership
and,
finally,
the
most
important
one
is
that
we
really
have
heard
an
outcry
from
businesses
about
the
mill
levy
increase.
N
It
comes
at
the
worst
time
as
they're,
covering
recovering
from
the
impacts
of
covid.
As
you
guys
know,
taxes
are
determined
based
on
the
most
recent
mill
levy
and
the
assessed
value.
The
reason
that
businesses
are
so
much
more
impacted
is
that
they're
assessed
at
four
times
the
rate
of
residential
properties.
So
even
the
same
mill
of
the
increase
affects
businesses
four
times.
A
P
P
One
comment
saying
the
variability
is
large.
Variability
really
was
just
that
you
would
expect
from
any
process
that
comes
in
discrete
quantities
is
dominated
by
shock
noise
and
the
trends
are
real
in
the
data.
The
other
comment
was
that
that
one
of
the
council
members
said
they
would
put
a
different
line
through
the
data
trend.
The
data
was
fit,
the
least
squares
fit,
and
it's
not
reasonable
to
put
a
decreasing
slope
through
the
data
as
presented.
Crime
is
increasing
in
boulder.
P
Anyone
who's
looking
to
grab
can
see
that,
in
spite
of
the
fluctuations,
the
overall
trend
is
up,
and
the
final
comment
I
want
to
speak
to
is
these
are,
as
as
reported
by
the
boulder
beat.
I'm
sorry,
I
didn't
go
to
the
move,
meaning,
but
the
boulder
beats.
It
said
that
one
of
the
council
members
said
that
all
these
slides,
showing
crime
rates
going
up
and
we
could
be
frightening
people
we're
inflaming.
P
More
credit
here
that
we
can
see
the
data,
we
see
the
crimes
going
up
and
we
can
act
appropriately
and
there's
no
point
in
hiding
it
from
us
in
concern
that
we
might
be
afraid.
Thank
you.
J
A
All
right:
well
then,
let's
turn
to
city
staff,
mary
or
theresa.
Do
you
have
any
responses
to
the
open
comment.
H
I
do
not,
but
always
thank
community
for
calling
in.
A
Great
any
council
members
want
to
weigh
in
on
open
coming.
J
J
A
Thank
you
for
letting
me
know.
Okay,
so
now
we'll
move,
move
on
from
open
comment
and
go
to
the
consent
agenda,
which
is
items
a
through
g.
Does
anyone
have
any
questions
or
comments
related
to
the
consent
agenda.
Q
Bob
yeah,
I
I
actually
published
a
hotline
this
afternoon.
I
have
a
good
number
of
questions
with
respect
to
the
project
at
4,
20,
14,
22,
55th
street
we're
dealing
with
a
difficult
developer,
and
I
am
concerned
that
the
terms
and
conditions
that
are
going
to
be
before
us
are
not
representative
of
a
transaction
that
will
advance
our
affordable
housing
goals.
Q
I
can
do
that.
I
can
relate
my
issues
one
by
one,
but
I
want
to
release
state
generally
before
we
get
into
the
subject
that
I
have
many
many
questions
and
comments
with
respect
to
this
project.
So.
A
R
Chairman
yeah
thanks
erin
I'll,
speak
to
two
things.
First
of
all,
I
I
share
mark's
concern
about
this
item,
so
I'd
like
to
suggest
that
this
is
item
b,
that
we
pull
this
off
of
consent
and
ask
cac
to
schedule
this
for
a
like
lengthier
discussion
in
a
few
weeks
and
then
I'll
be
recusing
myself
on
item
g
related
to
ball,
aerospace,.
A
Thanks
bob,
so
let
me
turn
to
city
staff.
We're
procedurally
is
that
something
that
we're
legally
allowed
to
do
to,
if
it's
the
will
of
counsel
which
I'll
just
check
in
and
but
first
I
want
to
check
if
we're
legally
in
good
shape.
There
are
we
allowed
to
schedule
this
for
a
future
hearing,
theresa.
E
Yes,
mayor
annexations
are
legislative
in
nature,
and
so
there's
not
a
timeline
associated
with
that.
You
certainly
can
pull
this
item
from
the
consent
agenda
and
schedule
it
for
a
date
in
the
future.
A
So
then,
what
I
would
I
I
guess
I
would
ask:
we
have
a
proposal
on
the
table
to
pull
it
off
of
consent
and
schedule
for
the
future.
I'm
I'm
perfectly
comfortable
with
that
request.
I'd
like
to
pull
the
will
of
counsel
are
people
interested
in
that
is
they
want
to
speak
against
that
or
add
an
additional
comment.
A
I'm
not
seeing
anybody
so
give
me
a
thumbs
up
if
you
feel
like
that's
an
approach
you'd
like
to
take
okay,
I
got
I
got
a
clear.
I
got
everybody
actually
okay,
so
that
looks
like
that
is
a
clear
will
of
counsel
to
hold
that
off
and
send
that
to
cac
for
scheduling
at
a
future
meeting,
so
we'll
plan
on
that
we'll
get
to
that
when
we
get
to
motions,
but
you
know
how
we're
gonna
proceed
on
that,
so
I
think
rachel
you
had
mark.
G
Yeah,
I
had
a
question
on
item
3d
council
retreat
follow-up.
You
know,
I
think,
at
the
retreat.
We,
you
know
we
really
hustled
through
that
last
20
minutes
didn't
have
a
lot
of
time
to
process
as
we
were
voting
or
after
we
sort
of
looked
at
waves
and
and
as
I
was
looking
at
what
we
agreed
to
it's
like
kind
of
eight
housing
related
things
and
then
maybe
two
others
and
then
at
the
very
bottom
there's
under
the
category
of
like
maybe
we'll
get
to
it.
G
If
there's
time
the
last
one
is
develop,
a
comprehensive
citywide
plan
for
resiliency
against
disaster
fire
and
flood,
and
I'm
not
asking
for
us
to
re-vote
or
anything.
I
just
want
to
ask
staff
a
question
about
what
will
we
be
doing
because
you
know
obviously
we're
already
working
on
housing
in
a
lot
of
ways.
Yeah,
we
added
nine
more.
G
We
are
already
working
on
on
some
mitigation
measures
and
we
didn't
add
this
and
you
know
boulder's
hosting,
like
I
think,
the
next
kyoto
summit
in
in
the
fall
here
and-
and
it
just
seems
like
both
poor
kind
of
optics
and
and
potentially
catastrophic
outcomes.
If
we're
not
really
getting
in
front
of
resiliency
planning
on
the
heels
of
the
fire,
so
just
wanted
to
check
in
with
with
nuria
or
whoever
you
think
is
appropriate
to
answer
this,
and
what
are
we
doing
since
that
didn't
make
the
cut.
H
Well
I'll
start
and
certainly
invite
any
staff
who,
because
this
is
so
multi-disciplinary
if
anybody
wants
to
add
anything,
I've
left
off,
but
I'll
say
that
if
I
recall
from
those
whirlwind
two
days,
part
of
this
was
acknowledgement
that
staff
is
actually
working
on
some
of
this
already
and
that
it
perhaps
didn't
have
to
rise
to
the
level
of
priority,
because
there
were
things
in
the
works,
and
so
some
of
the
things
that
we
have
planned
for
this
year
include
an
update
to
the
stormwater
and
flood
master
plan.
H
We
will
be
taking
that
to
council
for
further
action
as
we
move
forward
just
recently
last
friday's
heads
up,
you
saw
we
had
an
update
on
the
warning
system.
We
will
have
con
continued
operational
improvements
related
to
wildfire
fire
mitigation.
We
will
have
continued
cu,
south
updates,
and
there
will
be
a
continued
variety
of
that.
I'll
also
say
that,
in
addition,
several
of
us
have
been
talking
about
really
sort
of
more
formally
internally
creating
a
group.
H
That's
focused
on
resiliency
because,
as
we
all
know,
it
doesn't
live
in
one
singular
department.
There
are
multiple
departments
doing
this,
so
we
will
actually
be
internally
creating
a
a
work
group
that
really
brings
a
lot
of
that
together
and
what
we
can
commit
and
again
I'll
ask
step
if
there's
something
that
in
particular,
you
wanted
to
bring
up
as
something
that
is
being
worked
on.
But
what
we
do
anticipate
is
because
this
is
an
important
issue
for
community.
G
Okay,
thanks
for
the
update,
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
I
was
particularly
concerned
about
is
you
know.
Most
of
the
region
is,
is
updating
like
building
codes
and
urban
wild
land
interfaces
and
in
broader
ways
from
the
fire,
so
hopefully
that
continues
to
move
forward
without
this
because
you
know
it
is
housing
is
a
crisis,
and
obviously
climate
crisis
is
a
crisis
as
well.
So
thanks
for
that
update.
F
C
H
S
G
C
C
Yes,
sir,
we're
moving
into
item
four
on
tonight's
agenda.
We
have
4a
is
the
vacations
of
a
19
1965
square
foot
portion
and
a
2742
square
foot
portion
of
two
utility
easements
at
3300
pinroll
place
that
is
under
adr.
2021-00257.
C
Item
4c
is
the
concept
plan,
review
and
comment
for
a
redevelopment
of
the
property
located
at
2900
east
college
avenue
into
a
multi-unit
student
housing
project
with
39
dwelling
units,
which
includes
a
mix
of
one
through
three
and
four
bedroom
units
parking
is
proposed
to
be
provided
in
a
two
level.
Parking
structure
primarily
below
grade
proposed
building
is
four
stories
above
grade
with
a
rooftop
deck
reviewed
under
case
lur
2021-0046.
I
A
G
Well,
no,
but
I
would
like
to
try
out
referring
it
to
tap
and
I
will
note
because
I
think
it's
the
first,
like
you
know,
like
teed
up
good
opportunity
to
do
that,
so
the
board
suggested.
I
think
the
planning
board
suggested
that
the
applicant
requested
a
parking
reduction
to
meet
climate
objection,
objections
and
noted
that
the
site
is
easily
accessible
by
multi-modal
transportation
network.
So
just
seems
like
it's
a
spot
where
we
might
want
tabs
input.
T
U
Can
we
can
I
just
ask
a
question
sure:
go
ahead,
yeah
and
I
I
guess,
I'm
just
curious
kind
of
what
what
type
of
input
and
sort
of
what
the
consequences
are
of
sort
of
you
know
sending
those
like.
Are
we
talking
like
a
delay
for
a
while?
I
I
I
don't
it
seems
like
they
asked
for
a
parking
reduction.
It's
in
a
place
where
there's
lots
of
transit
and
yeah.
I
guess
I
guess
I'm
just
I'm
not
understanding
where
the
role
for
tab
input
is.
G
I'm
happy
to
speak
to
that.
From
my
perspective,
if
that
was
a
question
for
me,
which
is
just
that
you
know
anytime,
we
have
a
a
new
development,
that's
near
like
transit
corridors
kind
of
there.
Sometimes
tab
has,
or
members
of
tab
have
chimed
in,
like
you
know,
if
you
just
or
community
cycles
like,
if
you
just
moved
on
this
project
like
this,
you
know
street
access
over
here
or
this.
You
know
sidewalk,
you
know
made
the
egress
this
side
or
the
other.
G
So
there
are
things
that
I'm
not
sure
exactly
what
they
might
come
back
with
proposals,
but
just
to
make
sure
that
they're
not
seeing
something
that
the
rest
of
us,
who
don't
have
that
particular
emphasis
in
focus,
might
not
see.
A
Great
and
if
I'll
just
call
on
myself
here
I'll
also
I'll
note
that
the
applicant
did
not
request
a
parking
reduction
and
planning
board
suggested
that
that
might
be
appropriate.
A
So
I
I
think
that
might
be
a
good
thing
for
tab
to
weigh
in
on
I
mean
I
think
this
project
has
less
of
an
access
to
transportation
issues
than
some
of
them,
but
I
think
you
know
we're
still
trying
this
out
and
there's
this
question
about,
like
hey,
would
a
parking
reduction
be
appropriate
here,
which
I
think
they
could
weigh
in
so
I'll
support
it
on
on
that
basis
and
as
well?
A
G
Can
I
just
ask
one
more
thing,
because
you
know
it's
exciting?
I
think
that
was
the
first
possibly
a
concept
plan.
I
would
also
welcome
tab
to
tell
us
like
is
that
is
that
something
that
they
welcome,
or
are
we
overburdening
them
when
we
do
this?
So
if
somehow
we
could
get
that
feedback,
it
would
be
great
too.
A
A
Mark
are
you
gonna
mark?
Well,
are
you
gonna
take
this
for
us.
G
A
V
Okay,
coming
up
all
right,
good
stuff,
all
right!
Thank
you
mayor
good
evening,
council.
Again,
I'm
mark
wolf
senior
budget
manager
for
the
city.
I'm
hoping
we'll
keep
this
fairly
brief
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
As
usual,
we've
got
a
whole
fleet
of
staff
available.
V
If
you
do
have
more
specific
questions,
we'll
be
running
through
what
we're
calling
a
special
adjustment
to
base
or
a
budget
amendment
to
the
base
2022
budget
I'll
just
briefly
cover
especially
for
new
ish,
say,
council
members
on
the
budget
adjustment
process
and
then
I'll
get
into
the
details
of
the
three
different
elements
of
the
budget
adjustment.
For
this
evening.
V
So
budget
adjustments
are
essentially
budget
amendments
to
the
adopted
budget.
We
call
them
adjustments
to
base
or
atb's
is
how
you'll
refer
to
them.
As
we
have
two
scheduled
budget
adjustments
each
year,
the
first
or
atb
one
is
typically
in
may
we'll
do
capital
project,
rollovers
and
encumbrances.
At
that
point,
that's
a
big
part
of
it.
V
You'll
see
that
coming
up
this
year,
where
we're
looking
at
a
lot
of
capacity
building
and
continued
restoration
of
where
we
are
as
an
organization
that'll,
be
a
theme
in
atb
one,
that's
usually
the
first
and
then
the
second
is
in
november.
V
V
Many
of
those
were
related
both.
So
let
me
say
first,
both
of
these
events
were
designated
as
federal
emergencies
under
fema,
and
so
most
of
these
expenses
up
to
75
percent
are
reimbursable
under
fema.
There
is
a
lag
time,
typically
in
the
9
to
12
month.
Realm
can
extend,
as
many
of
my
colleagues
know,
beyond
that,
some
departments
are
able
to
absorb
some
minimal
expenses.
V
A
supplemental
appropriation
is
needed
for
those
departments
that
incurred
expenses
beyond
their
their
base
budget
that
we're
projecting
and
won't
have
enough
room
to
cover
a
few
highlights-
or
I
guess
this
would
be
comprehensive
from
the
memo,
starting
with
open
space
and
mountain
parks.
They
incurred
damage
to
trail
heads
structures
due
to
the
fire.
V
There's
some
additional
dollars
to
provide
continue
continued
damage
staff
support,
as
they
continue
to
assess
and
make
sure
that
we're
those
expenses
are
reimbursable
under
fema.
A
total
amount
is
1.7
million
parks
and
recreation
due
to
the
wind.
In
the
city
we
had
a
bridge
over
boulder,
creek
knocked
out
and
then
significant
debris.
Removal
across
the
city
that
came
to
just
under
380
thousand
dollars.
V
V
Moving
on
to
the
community
culture,
resilience
and
safety
tax,
initial
appropriation,
or
what
you'll
hear
me
refer
to
as
ccrs,
so
I'm
going
to
walk
through
a
few
of
these
slides.
This
is
the
first
time
that
we've
really
had
a
chance
to
talk
about
ccrs,
since
voters
very
kindly
approved
the
long-term
extension
of
this
tax,
the
ballot
language
defined
it
as
a
community
culture,
resilience
and
safety
tax.
V
V
The
the
language
in
the
in
the
ballot-
and
I
believe
we
have
it
the
full
ballot
language
and
attachment
c
of
your
packets
for
this
item
there
there's
no
must
do
projects
it's
a
lot
of
projects
such
as
this
and
then
some
additional
categories,
and
so
that's
a
that
gives
us
flexibility,
knowing
that
we
can
time
these
projects
appropriately,
based
on
their
level
of
readiness
based
on
the
resources,
the
staff
capacity
behind
them.
So
we're
currently
going
through
that
process
and
I'll
explain
a
little
bit
more
about
that.
V
The
ballot
language
also
authorized
us
to
issue
debt
against
that
tax.
If
we
needed
to
and
I'll
talk
a
bit
about
that
as
well
and
just
so,
you
have
an
understanding
of
scale.
Our
projections-
this
is
a
maybe
a
little
bit
old,
but
it
gives
you
a
sense
over
the
15
years.
What
we'll
generate?
You
also
will
remember
that
the
ballot
language
provided
up
to
10
of
the
the
total
tax
revenue
for
nonprofit
support
I'll
touch
on
that
as
well.
V
So
there's
some
need
to
scope
and
prioritize
these
projects,
whether
it
rises
to
that
level
of
66
million
or
not.
The
implication
is
that,
if
we're
well
above
that
10
11
million
dollar
threshold
that
we're
receiving
on
an
annual
basis
that
it's
likely
we'll
need
to
borrow
funds
in
order
to
complete
projects
within
a
shorter
period
of
time,
projects
that
would
be
good
candidates
to
to
be
included
within
that
that
debt
issuance
would
need
to
be
completed
within
the
three
years
of
of
issuing
that
debt.
V
So
if
we
were
looking
ahead
to
sometime
in
early
2023
to
do
that,
but
we're
what
we're
proposing
is
to
align
that
process
with
our
2023
to
2028
capital
improvement
plan
development.
So
through
our
budget
process,
where
we'll
be
able
to
take
a
look
at
all
of
these
potential
sources
for
capital
projects,
including
the
federal
infrastructure
bill
which
didn't
exist
at
the
time
of
the
ballot
language
being
approved
for
ccrs
renewal
arpa.
V
Sorry,
the
font
gets
a
little
small
on
this
slide,
so
just
to
hammer
on
the
process
for
ccrs
funding.
What
you
have
tonight
and
I'll
get
into
a
little
bit
more
detail
are
those
early
2022
projects,
those
that
are
ready
for
initial
appropriation,
they're
shovel
ready,
meaning
they
will
expend
funds
in
the
short
term.
V
It
meets
a
pressing
community
need
and
aligns
closely
with
that
ballot
language
over
the
next
several
months,
we'll
be
doing
exactly
what
I
suggested
in
identifying
projects
that
are
eligible
for
ccrs,
good
candidates
for
that
source
of
funding
within
a
shorter
time
frame
and
determining
that
based
on
those
projects.
If
the
scope
of
those
projects
rises
to
a
certain
level
that
debt
issuance
may
be
required,
and
that
would
be
a
conversation
we'd
have
with
council
during
the
budget
process
through
june
and
october.
V
I
wanted
to
highlight
that
that's
when
we'll
be
having
the
conversation
about
the
non-profit
support
portion
of
the
ccrs
tax,
we'll
be
discussing
the
potential
structure
of
that
that
program
that
support
program
with
council
were
scheduled
for
early
june.
For
that
conversation,
after
that,
we
would
have
some
engagement
activities
and
prepare
for
for
a
launch
of
that
support
program
and
then
beyond.
2022
we'd
be
looking
at
a
similar
process
to
continue
to
identify
those
ccrs
eligible
projects.
V
V
V
This
would
be
a
complete
replacement
of
our
current
system.
Ideally
this
will.
The
move
would
be
to
an
industry-leading
platform
which
would
greatly
improve
how
residents
can
interact
with
the
city.
V
That
would
be
one
of
the
primary
goals
of
that
project.
The
enterprise
data
platform
is
another
technology
solution.
650
000
is
the
recommendation
out
of
ccrs.
The
total
project
cost
is
estimated
at
1.65
million.
At
this
point,
this
is
the
continued
development
of
the
city's
cloud-based
enterprise
data
platform.
V
The
easiest
way
I
can
explain
it
without
a
technology
background
is
that
this
allows
us
to
make
better
data
informed
decisions
to
centralize
a
place
where
we
can
begin
to
collect
data
and
use
that
in
different
ways,
not
just
for
the
organization,
but
in
the
in
the
types
of
projects
and
initiatives
and
programs
that
we
develop
in
in
service
of
the
community.
And
so
this
is
really
that
first
initial
step
in
in
centralizing.
V
A
couple
other
projects
to
mention:
there's
550
000,
recommended
at
a
ccrs
for
safer
main
streets
projects,
there's
two
different
projects,
one
at
30th
street,
I
believe
that's
the
corridor
for
multi-modal
and
then
safety
enhancements
at
28th
street
in
colorado.
V
These
projects
are
also
funded
through
the
transportation
fund
cdot
and
dr
cogg,
and
because
of
the
grant
funding
those
those
projects
must
be
completed
by
june
2024..
So
there's
a
pressing
need
for
ccrs
and
we
think
it's
an
appropriate
candidate
and
then
fire
station
three's
included
in
this
special
adjustment,
not
out
of
ccrs,
although
we'll
get
to
that
in
a
second
in
this
adjustment,
funds
are
were
previously
set
aside,
but
not
yet
appropriated
from
the
governmental
capital
fund,
5.4
million
and
the
capital
development
fund
of
2.3
million.
V
V
V
V
The
total
recommended
tronch2
is
now
at
4.8
million
dollars,
so
the
specific
overview,
the
amount
for
guaranteed
income
pilot
of
250
000
that
hasn't
changed,
but
what
we
have
done
is
pencil
in
a
may
24
study
session
with
council
prior
to
any
expenditure
of
those
dollars,
so
that
appropriation
allows
us
the
authority
to
spend.
V
We
certainly
don't
have
to
do
that,
and
what
we
plan
to
do
is
wait
for
that
council
discussion
until
we
expended
any
of
those
funds.
We
can
certainly
have
a
different
approach,
but
it
does
make
it
easier
to
have
the
authority
to
spend
the
funds
instead
of
having
to
do
another
special
adjustment
later.
V
The
second
is
moving
up
a
hundred
thousand
from
tranche
iii
to
support
the
child
care
industry.
Twenty
thousand
of
that
will
be
for
startup
grants
for
small
business
development
center
program.
Participants
have
already
gone
through
a
program
and
then
80
000
will
be
for
a
new
competitive
grand
cycle
to
support
existing
child
care
providers
in
boulder,
and
then
230
thousand
dollars
was
added
to
the
economic
recovery
initiatives
based
on
council
feedback
for
a
total
of
550
000.
Those
were
really
in
three
key
areas
and
I'll
point
out.
V
V
What
we
have
this
evening
is
a
proposal
to
work
with
bipac
owned
businesses
to
help
with
navigation
and
commercial
space
opportunities,
a
targeted
small
business
grant
program
that
would
be
for
those
businesses
that
have
experienced
disproportionate
impact.
Do
the
pandemic
and
an
additional
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
the
convention
and
visitors
bureau
for
continued
tourism
and
safe
visitation
promotion.
V
So
what
that
looks
like
for
your
arpa
spending
update
again
tranche
1,
was
just
under
4
million
tranche
2
now
would
be
about
4.8.
V
V
So
that
concludes
presentation
this
evening.
This
is
when
you
need
it
and
I
believe
I'll
hand
it
back
over
to
the
mayor.
A
Thanks
so
much
mark
that
was
really
helpful
and
informative
questions
to
start
out
before
we
go
to
our
public
hearing,
I've
got
bob.
R
Thanks
mark
that
was
very
helpful.
Just
two
questions
mark
unrelated
on
the
convention.
Visitors
bureau
that
hundred
thousand
is
incremental
to
the
original
hundred
thousand
was
proposed.
In
other
words,
it's
moving
from
one
hundred
thousand
to
two
hundred
thousand.
Is
that
correct?
That
is
correct,
great
thanks
mark.
The
second
is
relating
to
thanks
for
teeing
up
the
kind
of
I
guess:
provisional
approval
of
the
study
for
the
guaranteed
income
program.
R
So
if
we
approve
the
whole
package
tonight
that
250
000
will
be
effectively
kind
of
held
in
advance,
we'll
do
the
study
session
on
the
24th
of
may
and
then,
if
council,
but
is
happy
with
that,
then
then
then,
we'll
kind
of
effectively.
I
know
we
won't
be
taking
another
vote
on
may
24th
at
the
study
session,
but
it'll
be
deemed
approved
retroactively
and
if
there
is
sufficient
concern.
R
If
the
whoever's
running
the
study
session
does
a
straw
poll
and
there's
a
lot
of
concern
that
that
that
funding
can
be
kind
of
undone
or
pulled
back.
Is
that
correct.
R
Great
thanks
and
I
don't
want
to
imply
that
we
will
do
that.
I
just
know
there's
a
lot
of
questions
by
council
members
at
your
presentation
a
few
weeks
ago
about
that
study,
and
I
just
I
think
thank
you
very
much
for
to
you
and
to
to
kurt
and
others
for
for
putting
that
on
a
fast
track,
study
session
and
hopefully
we'll
get
through
that,
and
hopefully
people
will
be
happy
with
that
and
and
there
won't
be
any
adjustments.
So
thank
you.
V
It's
a
good
question:
we
do
not
many
of
those
program.
Details
are
still
being
developed.
Some
of
those
are
associated
with
existing
programs.
We
do
need
some
help
with
navigation.
We
are
looking
to
bring
on
a
resource
internally
to
help
our
departments
with
some
of
that
understanding,
federal
grant
programs
and
timing,
and
the
information
you
need
is
certainly
a
full-time
job,
so
we
think
there's
a
huge
opportunity
there,
but
in
terms
of
how
much
funding
we're
eligible
for
locally
or
expecting
we're
still,
we
still
don't
have
a
good
estimate.
V
I
think
most
and
other
staff,
more
than
welcome
to
chime
in
I
think
most
are
still
being
teed
up.
There
may
be
a
few
programs
that
were
already
in
existence
where
the
funding
has
come
through,
but
I
believe
for
the
most
part,
some
flowing
through
the
state
and
some
coming
directly
from
the
federal
government
is
still
to
be
determined
in
terms
of
timing.
Okay,.
A
I
think
we
all
agree
on
that:
one
not
seeing
any
more
hands.
Oh
there's,
nicole,.
U
Sorry,
I
just
I'm
I'm
just
trying
to
remember
where
we
were
with
the
guaranteed
income
pilot
discussion,
and
I
I
think,
like
I
remember
kind
of
coming
out
of
that
discussion
with
the
idea
of
like
can't.
We
move
more
quickly
with
that
and
anyway.
So
I
was
just
wondering
if
mark
I
I
apologize.
U
This
may
just
be
my
brain
misfiring,
but
I'm
just
wondering
if
you
could
describe
a
little
bit
more
about
why
it
is
that
we're
sort
of
waiting
on
that
needing
to
study
it
more
because
I
I
guess
I
come
out
of
that
meeting
with
a
different
impression.
V
Just
to
better
inform
the
conversation,
our
intention
would
be
to
move
fairly
quickly
after
that
study
session.
If
council
was
comfortable
moving
forward
with
a
pilot,
so
I
understand
that
it's
kind
of
give
and
take
slowing
down
to
have
a
study
session.
At
the
same
time,
I
think
if
we
have
a
really
good,
clear
direction
from
council
based
off
of
that
study
session,
then
perhaps
we
can
move
a
little
quicker
after
that
study
session.
Thanks
mark.
R
Yeah,
I
agree
with
nicole.
I
don't
think
there
was
anybody's
desire
to
slow
down
the
issue
of
grants
to
low-income
families
from
our
as
a
matter
of
fact.
Quite
the
contrary.
I
think
council
members
were
concerned
about
getting
this
money
out
the
door
as
quickly
as
possible,
so
families
in
need
would
would
receive
the
funding
they
needed.
So
I
I
agree
with
nicole.
I
think
our
concern
was
not
so
much.
The
program
itself
was:
is
just
spending
money
to
study
how
to
disperse
money?
R
So
if
we
can
move
that,
if
we
have
to
have
a
study
session
on
how
to
study
how
to
disperse
money,
let's
try
to
do
that
faster
or
let's
just
skip
the
study
and
get
to
dispersal.
So
I
I
actually
agree
with
nicole.
I
I
I'll
approve
this
package,
but
but
waiting
until
the
24th
to
talk
about
a
study
to
do
a
study.
It
seems
to
me,
like
a
pretty
big
delay.
A
J
Absolutely
emily
can
we
pull
the
slides
up
again
we'll
go
through
those
for
folks
who
are
joining
us
this
time.
A
I
don't
know,
do
we
need
to
do
that
again?
I
think
that
people
who
speak
are,
who
are
speaking
about
spoken
before.
J
All
right
sounds
good.
We
have
both
speakers
here
this
evening.
O
O
O
We
got
a
lot
of
troubles
these
days
and
we
need
to
start
getting
serious
about
these
developers
that
are
begging
for
the
biggest
place
they
can
get.
Michael
bosma
can
build
a
friggin
house
on
his
place.
There's
only
one
reason
that
he
wants
20
units
or
something
and
that's
because
he
can
maximize
his
profit.
O
You
should
take
a
look.
I
just
rode
my
bike.
Sorry,
I
was
in
the
tailwind
for
public
comment
coming
home.
I
just
rode
my
bike.
Past
september
school
stunning,
there
is
more
crap
all
over
the
front
of
that.
That
looks
like
the
third
world.
He
is
not
maintaining
that
there's
still
homeless
stuff
from
all
over.
O
O
S
S
Many
cities
are
exploring
this,
so
it
makes
sense
for
boulder
to
do
it
too.
I
was
reading
details
about
the
benefits
in
the
boulder
beat
from
january,
and
it
was
noted
that
the
benefits
of
basic
income
measures
include
declining
generational
poverty,
increased
housing,
security
and
school
enrollment,
and
improved
nutrition
and
overall,
better
health.
So
I
hope
boulder
moves
ahead
on
this
pilot.
F
R
Well,
I
guess
I'm
kind
of
building
on
what
what
nicole
and
I
said
and
what
katie
hernan
just
said.
Is
there
any
way
we
can
ask
cac
to
maybe
accelerate
that
studies?
If
we
have
to
have
a
study
session
and
talk
about
this,
can
we
look
at
our
calendar
and
maybe
see
if
we
can
get
this
slotted
in
sooner
rather
than
may,
24th.
H
Miriam
well,
I
just
I
want
to
defer
to
staff
and
see
how
quickly
they
can
put
that
on
and
so
I'd
asked
kurt.
I
know
that
we've
got
a
lot
of
things
going
on
through,
I
believe,
mid
to
late
april,
but
just
wanted
to
ask
her
what
his
timing
was,
because
I
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
staff
had
a
chance
to
weigh
in
on
their
availability,
curt.
W
Good
evening,
council,
kurt
bernhard
director
of
housing
human
services,
so
I
don't
actually
know
the
answer
to
that.
I
do
know
that
we
haven't
begun
to
put
the
information
together
for
the
study
session.
It
takes
effort
to
do
that.
Typically,
I
think,
however,
we
can
come
back
to
cac
on
monday
with
a
better
answer
to
that
and
sort
of
refine
how
quickly
we
could
get
that
to
council,
but
I
do
support
your
your
idea,
bob
and
we'll
we'll
see
how
we
can
accomplish
that.
A
A
That
thank
you,
and
that
gives
you
plenty
of
time,
hopefully
to
put
that
together.
Will
that
work
for
folks
that
will
get
a
better
sense
of
how
much
time
staff
needs
and
then
can
schedule
it
as
expeditiously
as
possible.
Given
the
schedule
and
the
resources
available,
seeing
not
in
heads
there
great
lauren.
X
I
guess
I
also
have
a
question
about
you
know
what
kind
of
action
we'd
be
taking
at
the
study
session
like?
Are
you
just
trying
to
gauge
sort
of
the
scope
or
the
direction
from
us
or
is
it
like?
Is
it
on
or
off
the
table,
because
there
might
be
some
portion
of
that?
V
I
can
take
a
crack
and
kurt
you're
more
than
welcome
to
chime
in
I.
I
would
say
that
it
would
be
helpful
to
know
kind
of
the
general
support
for
for
the
pilot
expert
exploration.
V
I
think
the
intent
of
spending
a
little
bit
extra
time
on
the
subject
itself
was
to
better
define
the
those
kind
of
pre-programmed
costs
of
setting
up
a
pilot
and
then
providing
counsel
with
information
from
programs
that
already
exist.
To
give
you
a
sense
of
what
a
structure
could
look
like.
So
I
don't
want
to
predict
how
much
work
it
will
be
to
do
that.
I
think
we
can
take
some
other
steps.
V
That
will
be
helpful
to
try
to
to
expedite
a
pilot
creation,
but
we
can
brainstorm
over
the
next
several
days
and
bring
back
a
more
clear
suggestion
on
at
our
next
cac
meeting
to
to
help
make
sure
that
we're
moving
as
fast
as
we
possibly
can.
G
Sure
I
support
expeditious
exploration.
I
guess
in
scheduling
I
was
not
actually
supportive
of
exploration.
I
just
I
think
at
our
discussion,
just
flatly
supported
the
basic
or
the
guaranteed
income
look,
but
I
do
want
to
kind
of
gently
note.
I
guess
that
I
think
staff's
doing
what
we
ask
them
to
do,
and
this
must
feel
a
little
bit
like
whiplash
that
we
just
mere
weeks
ago
said
like
we're.
G
A
I'll
call
on
myself
there
I
agree
with
you,
rachel's
gonna,
say
something
similar,
because
I
was
one
of
those
people,
I'm
definitely
supportive
of
programming
the
idea,
but
I
also
would
love
to
learn
more
about
exactly
how
it
gets
implemented.
So
I
was
one
of
the
people
that
asked
for
more
information,
and
so
I'm
hearing
generally
support
for
the
idea,
but
I
think
we
did,
including
myself
ask
for
more
info.
So
I
like
the
idea
of
spending,
you
know
maybe
60
minutes
at
a
study
session.
A
You
know
in
a
few
weeks
or
a
couple
months,
which
I
think
was
the
direction
we
gave
before
to
learn
more
about
how
this
would
work
and
have
a
chance
to
ask
questions
as
the
program
gets
stood
up
so
that
that
would
be.
My
suggestion
is
that
that
we
work
it.
We
hear
from
staff
about
the
resources
necessary
to
move.
It
forward
cc
schedule
something
sooner
rather
than
later,
but
this
is
in
no
way
saying
like
slow,
walk
it
and
don't
start
thinking
and
working
on
it.
A
W
W
I
met
me
I
thought
she
was
on,
but
maybe
she's
not
promoted
as
a
panelist.
If,
if
she's
not,
we
can
address
that
at
the
cac.
I
I.
A
Don't
see
her
so
I'm
happy
to
get
more
information
we
can
guide
it,
maybe
in
slightly
different
directions.
She
has
some
different
feedback.
Thank
you,
okay.
Maybe
somebody
wants
to
make
a
motion
at
this
point.
A
All
right,
I
will
I'll
go
ahead
and
make
a
motion
go
ahead.
Go
ahead,
all
right,
very
good,
so
I
moved
to
that.
We
introduced
an
order
by
published
by
title,
only
ordinance,
8500
first
reading,
special
adjustment
to
base
for
2022
supplemental
approach.
It
appropriations,
including
arpa
marshall,
fire
and
wind
disaster
expenditures
and
2022
ccrs
tax
ordinance.
A
Second
packet
thanks
I'll
just
call
myself
real
quickly.
I
think
say
that
I
really
appreciate
staff's
responsiveness
to
our
comments
from
last
time.
I
thought
you
really
were
very
nimble
in
hearing
our
feedback
and
we
came
back
very
quickly
and
I
think
we're
very
responsive.
So
I
really
appreciate
how
you
brought
this
in
and
now
we're
getting
more
money
out
to
the
community
more
quickly
to
help
with
the
the
continuing
recovery
necessary
coming
out
of
cooper.
D
I
think
you
said
it
well
aaron
I
mean
this
is.
I
think
this
is
government
working
well
and
fairly
efficiently
in
very
difficult
and
adaptive
times,
so
so
great
job
staff.
Y
C
R
J
X
A
H
H
On
april
5th,
we'll
really
be
talking
about
the
decision
meeting,
where
you'll
be
able
to
determine
whether
to
move
forward
or
not
with
creating
a
district
by
resolution,
and
I
know
that
we'll
be
hap
we'll
be
joined
by
our
boulder
county
partners
as
well.
But
tonight
there
was
a
decision
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
from
the
february
8th
meeting
about
three
key
issues:
council
members
flagged
in
the
draft
iga
and
so
hoping
that
you'll
be
able
to
have
discussion
and
hear
more
about
those
critical
questions.
H
As
you
move
forward
tonight,
an
interdepartmental
team
has
been
working
on
this
and
I'm
going
to
hand
it
over
to
david
farnand.
First,
to
begin
with
that
presentation,
as
we
continue
to
have
that
discussion
tonight
with
you,
thank
you
david.
Z
Thank
you
very
much
neria
good
evening,
mayor
members
of
council.
My
name
is
david
farnan,
I'm
the
library
director
of
the
city
of
boulder,
I
am
joined
by
some
team
members
tonight,
janet
michaels
from
the
city
attorney's
office.
Chris
messick,
you
all
know
david
gear,
you
all
know,
and
jennifer
ferris
the
deputy
director
for
the
public
library.
So
if
we
could
bring
the
slide
presentation
up,
I
would
appreciate
it
and
let's
go
ahead
and
jump
the
next
slide,
all
right
so
tonight.
This
is
basically
our
agenda.
Z
I'm
going
to
cover
a
brief
timeline
of
the
history
which
nuria
just
referred
to,
but
our
purpose
this
evening
primarily
is
to
focus
on
the
three
key
issues
that
council
raised
in
the
discussion
of
the
draft
iga
and
the
recommendations
from
the
library
district
advisory
committee
that
we
discussed
on
february
8th
those
three
key
issues
are
issue
one,
whether
to
deed
or
lease
the
properties,
and
we
will
discuss
three
options.
Z
F
Z
Third
key
issue
is
the
process
for
the
disillusion
of
a
library
district
should
it
fail
to
receive
funding.
All
of
these
are
important
issues
and
we
want
to
hear
from
council
on
every
single
one
of
them.
Z
Z
Some
of
you
not,
but
in
2018
council
accepted
the
boulder
library
master
plan
that
master
plan,
as
you
all
know,
included
a
lot
of
different
options
in
consideration
for
funding
options
for
the
library,
then
the
implementation
implementation
process
of
that
master
plan
has
led
us
to
roughly
the
10
or
12
meetings
we've
had
over
the
course
of
the
last
four
years
on
this
topic
in
2019,
a
citizen
resident
advocacy
group,
the
library
champions
proposed
a
library
district
by
petition.
Z
They
later
withdrew
that
petition
after
discussions
with
city
manager
and
some
level
of
commitment
to
discuss
the
funding
more
in
depth.
So
the
council
had
a
better
understanding
of
the
issues
at
hand
in
2020
city
staff,
came
back
and
presented
background
on
municipal
and
district
governance
and
funding
options
and
considered
a
number
of
those
in
2021
council
directed
staff
to
continue
to
explore
the
district
by
resolution
process
and
to
form
a
committee
to
discuss
the
iga
terms.
This
last
fall.
We
did
form
a
library
district
advisory
committee.
Z
They
met
through
the
course
of
the
fall
several
times
monthly
and
developed
the
recommendations
that
you
reviewed
at
your
last
meeting
on
february,
8th
for
the
iga,
and
then
we
can
jump
to
the
next
slide
please.
Z
So
this
is
kind
of
an
outline
which
we've
discussed
multiple
times
before.
Usually
david
gear
or
janet
michaels
is
presenting
this
slide.
But
we
thought
for.
Z
So
how
do
you
establish
a
library
district
by
resolution?
In
april
we
will
bring
forward
draft
resolution
and
also
the
draft
iga.
There
will
be
a
joint
public
hearing
with
city
council
and
the
board
of
county
commissioners
to
discuss
that
resolution.
Z
You
are
also
expected,
on
april
5th,
to
appoint
two
members
from
your
council
to
be
a
subcommittee
to
appoint
the
library
board
of
trustees,
which
would
occur
in
may
at
that
meeting,
where
you
would
appoint
library
board
of
trustees.
At
that
point,
a
library
district
exists
on
paper
and
you
enter
into
negotiations
on
the
iga.
You
have
90
days,
city
council,
the
board
of
county
commissioners
and
the
library
district
board
of
trustees,
which
has
just
been
appointed,
would
negotiate
the
terms
of
an
iga
and
we'll
discuss
a
little
bit
more.
Z
Z
If
that
mill
levy
is
successful,
the
library
district
then
takes
shape
and
begins
to
function
and
transition
process
from
the
city
to
a
library
district
begins
to
occur.
So
next
slide,
please
so
the
interge
governmental
agreement,
which
you
have
reviewed
several
drafts
of
over
the
past
few
years,
the
terms
that
go
into
this
intergovernmental
agreement
essentially
discuss
these
various
things:
the
conveyance
of
property
for
library,
services,
the
transition
of
the
library
employees.
Z
What
if
any
interim
funding
is
supplied
to
the
library
district,
if
it's
as
it's
making
the
transition?
What
the
terms
for
contracts
for
all
the
various
levels
of
administrative
services
are
for
maintenance
of
buildings,
for
those
personnel,
insurance,
employee
benefits
etc.
All
of
those
will
be
it
discussed
it.
It
will
detail,
then
the
procedure
for
how
a
future
library
board
of
trustees
is
selected,
and
it
will
also
define
the
process
if
the
2022
tabor
measure
fails.
Z
So
let's
go
ahead
and
jump
to
the
next
slide
and
we'll
dig
into
the
key
issues.
So
the
first
key
issue,
the
big
one,
do
we
lease
or
do
we
sail
the
library
facilities
and
land
next
slide?
Please.
Z
So
the
question
that
we
have
for
council
tonight
is
regarding
the
library
facilities
is
council
interested
in
transferring
ownership
or
leasing
buildings
to
the
library
district
for
the
following
facilities:
the
carnegie
library
for
local
history,
the
george
reynolds
branch
library,
the
new
north,
boulder
branch
library
and
the
main
library
you'll.
Note
that
the
meadows
library
and
the
nobo
corner
library
are
not
mentioned
in
this
topic.
That
is
because
those
are
leases.
Z
Council
didn't
at
the
last
meeting,
discuss
any
issues
around
transfer
of
the
leases
from
the
city
to
the
district.
So
that's
why
those
two
libraries
are
emitted
from
this.
The
staff
recommendation
for
carnegie
reynolds
and
new
north
boulder
library
is
that
the
land
and
buildings
transfer
to
the
library
district
for
the
main
library,
the
staff
recommendation
is
that
the
building
transfers,
but
the
land
ownership
remains
in
the
hands
of
the
city.
Z
Z
Given
the
charter,
the
library
district
controls,
investments
into
the
facilities
and
the
city
and
district
determine
the
level
of
city
review
or
approval
to
modifications
to
all
the
buildings.
The
city
retains
ownership
of
buildings
and
land.
The
library
district
could
not
pledge
the
properties
for
a
bond
or
for
certificates
of
participation
funding
and
as
the
west
bookend
of
the
boulder
civic
area,
the
main
library
has
shared
use
with
other
city
services.
Z
So
next
slide,
please
so
option
b
is
the
transfer
of
ownership
of
the
buildings
and
the
land.
In
this
case,
the
city
would
transfer
one
or
more
of
the
buildings
to
the
district
with
the
land.
The
district
is
responsible
for
the
maintenance
of
the
buildings
and
the
land
and
the
future
capital
improvements
to
those
buildings.
Z
The
library
district
would
be
able
to
dictate
the
geographic
distribution
and
the
diversity
of
services
and
facilities
throughout
the
sale
of
property
through
the
sale
of
property
over
its
course
of
time,
and
it
is
worth
noting
that
colorado
law
prevents
the
library
district
from
using
any
of
the
proceeds
from
the
sale
of
any
property
for
any
other
use
other
than
providing
library
services
so
option
c.
If
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide,.
Z
Z
Some
considerations
here,
the
library
district
owns
the
buildings,
the
city
and
the
library
district
do
not
have
a
landlord-tenant
relationship.
The
city
retains
ownership
of
all
the
land.
This
could
be
advantageous
in
situations
where
no
clear
parcel
lines
exist
or
the
land
surrounding
the
asset
has
a
non-library
community
purpose
such
as
the
main
library
all
right
now,
if
we
can
go
on
to
the.
F
Z
Slide
key
issue
2
and
I'll
turn
it
over
to
janet.
AA
Thank
you,
david
mayor
members
of
council.
This
is
janet
michaels
with
the
city
attorney's
office
and
I'd
like
to
share
with
you
the
second
consideration,
the
second
key
issue
that
we
have
for
you
next
slide
please.
So
the
key
issue
number
two
for
council
is
what
option
for
the
library
district
board
of
trustee
appointment.
Does
council
support
next
slide?
Please.
AA
AA
AA
Those
appointments
have
to
be
ratified
by
a
two-thirds
majority
of
each
legislative
body.
The
second
option
is
that
the
establishing
entities
can
delegate
to
the
board
of
trustees
authority
to
recommend
new
trustees,
those
appointments
still,
though,
those
recommendations
still
have
to
be
ratified
by
two-thirds
of
boulder
city
council
and
the
boulder
board
of
county
commissioners.
AA
Z
Yes,
you
do
tsu3
the
process
for
the
dissolution
of
a
library
district,
should
it
fail
to
secure
funding
so
next
slide.
Please-
and
this
is
the
one
that
we
need.
We
are
hoping
to
have
resolution
from
council
on
tonight,
so
we
can
include
it
in
the
resolution
that
you
will
review
at
your
next
meeting
april
5th
so
issue
three.
If
the
tabor
election
fails,
what
options
for
timing
of
disillusion
of
the
library
district
does
the
council
support
next
last
slide?
Please.
Z
This
would
look
similar
to
the
draft
language
in
the
current
draft.
I
iga,
which
you
reviewed
on
february,
8th
if
council
supports
this
option,
directions
direction
is
desired
on
what
years
and
how
many
next
slide.
Please
option.
Two
is
to
define
a
deadline
date
by
which
a
district
must
obtain
voter
approval
for
tax
funding.
Z
If
council
supports
this
option,
direction
is
desired
on
what
date
should
be
included
in
the
draft
iga
and
next
slide.
I
think
we're
at
the
point
where
we
are
looking
for
council
feedback.
Z
We
have
a
number
of
slides
towards
the
end
once
you
finish
with
your
discussion
about
next
steps,
but
the
questions
we
have
for
council
tonight
regarding
the
library
facilities
is
council
interested
in
transferring
ownership
or
leasing
buildings
to
the
library
district
for
the
following
facilities:
carnegie
library
for
local
history,
the
george
reynolds
branch
library,
the
new
north,
boulder
branch
library
and
the
main
library
question
number
two:
what
options
for
the
library
district
board
of
trustees?
Z
A
Right
thanks
so
much
david
and
janet
that
was
very
clear
and
straightforward,
and
so
here's
what
I'm
going
to
suggest
is
that
we
take
these
three
questions,
one
by
one
and
with
each
of
them.
We
start
with
questions
from
council
on
that
item,
and
then
we
move
to
council
statements
of
opinions
and
then
move
towards
a
straw
poll
on
each
one
about
what
council,
what
a
majority
of
council
will
support
for
each
of
these
with
the
goal
of
ending
the
evening
with
some
clear
direction
on
all
three
of
them
for
how
to
proceed.
A
How
does
that
sound
to
people
mark?
I
see
up
your
hand.
Q
Yeah
there
was
one
other
issue
that
I
I'm
not
sure
if
I
saw
it
addressed,
but
I
think
it
ought
to
be
addressed,
which
was
section
4.2.4
c,
which
is
this
creation
of
a
partnership
in
something
called
the
main
library
area
of
influence,
which
is
something
that
is
highly
unusual.
In
my
experience,
and
I
think
we
ought
to
be
discussing
that
as
well,
if
that's
assumed
in
something
else,
that's
fine.
But
if
not,
I
would
like
that
to
be
on
the
table.
It's
one
of
the
things
we're
discussing
about
the
iga.
A
Yeah,
so
what
I'd
recommend
mark
is
that
I
think
that
pertains
to
the
first
question
about
transferred
ownership,
because
I
think
that's
part
of
the
proposal
for
how
to
handle
transferring
ownership
over
the
district.
So
I
invite
you
to
weigh
in
on
that
question
in
that
in
that
first
item,
if
that
works,
okay,
thanks
that'll
work,
okay,
not
seeing
any
objections,
then,
let's
start
with
the
first
question
about
how
transferring
ownership
releasing
buildings
to
the
district
would
work
and
I'll
start
by
asking.
If
anyone
has
any
questions
in
this
area,.
D
Thanks
aaron
and
david,
thank
you
for
the
presentation,
and
sometimes
you
know,
we've
already
got
some
of
this
at
first
though
so
the
second
dose
is
nice
on
a
detailed
proposal
like
this
allows
it
to
sink
into
more
of
us.
So
so
thank
you
for
that.
D
Regarding
how
they've
handled
you
know
the
transfer
of
ownership
or
leasing,
and
just
where,
where
is
that,
lie
with
regards
to
other
districts,
and
is
there
a
pattern
or
best
practice
that
we
can
glean
from
that.
Z
You
know
it's
important
to
state
at
the
outset
that
this
is
entirely
up
to
a
council
decision
right.
So
this
is
a
policy
decision
which
council
has
to
make.
We
don't
have
a.
Z
Data
of
what
happened
with
every
single
library
district,
I
believe
we've
collected
data
on
26.,
the
you
know,
a
majority
of
that
26
deeded
land
and
buildings,
another
seven
leased
them
a
couple,
viewed
the
buildings,
but
not
the
land.
There
are
several
library
districts.
I
know
I
mean
estes.
Z
I
don't
know
if
that
estes
was
even
in
your
thing.
I
know
they
they
lease
the
land
back
from
the
city,
so
it's
typically
again
at
a
nominal
cost,
but
they
own
the
building
and
lease
the
land.
So
it's
kind
of
happened
all
across
the
board
and
it
was
interesting
to
get
the
feedback
from
those
different
library
districts
to
see
how
it
happened
in
their
area.
A
Q
David
in,
in
the
whatever
analysis
you
have
done
with
respect
to
comparative
localities,
we
have
a
very
highly
developed
library
system
with
multiple
facilities,
how
many
of
the
competing
or
comparative
systems
that
you
looked
at
involved,
conveyance
of
land
and
buildings
of
a
similar
market
value
as
what
we
are
looking
at
conveying
today,.
Z
Mark
that's
a
great
question
and
so
comparable
value
would
be
difficult
because
that's
not
something
we
ran
I'll
use,
fort
collins
and
colorado
springs.
If
that
works.
For
you,
you
know
for
fort
collins,
they
did
convey.
There
was
a
lot
of
negotiation.
There
were.
Z
Z
So
it
was
a
more
complicated
kind
of
negotiation
and
they
kind
of
did
some
traits
right,
so
some
land
was
traded
for
back
to
the
city,
other
the
city
in
exchange
deeded
the
land
surrounding
the
main
library
in
the
downtown
park
to
the
library
district
in
the
case
of
colorado
springs,
which
may
mean
the
value.
Obviously
I
can't
speak
to,
but
they
had
16
buildings
at
the
time
of
district
formation,
nine
of
which
were
owned,
seven
of
which
were
leased.
Z
Z
Join
the
el
paso
system,
colorado
springs
after
the
district
was
formed
and
they
did
only
the
building
and
leased
the
land
and
that
you
know
that's.
That
was
an
old,
an
older
building.
Y
So
david,
why
would
we
not
lease
I
was
reading
through
and
this
is
I
was
reading
through
the
packet
and
I
want
to
know
it?
Was
there
an
issue
in
the
past
between
the
lisi
and
the
lease
or
in
this
in
the
city?
Did
we
have
a
negative
experience
between,
for
instance,
at
chautauqua
or
tell
me
what
is
on
your
minds?
Those
who
decided
that
this
was
the
best
way.
Z
AB
Sure
sure
so,
a
couple
of
things
first,
you
know
we
kind
of
tried
to
create
a
set
of
guiding
assumptions
about
kind
of,
like
you
know,
for
better
or
worse.
This
is
a
little
bit
like
a
divorce,
but
how
we
were
gonna
approach.
It.
AB
I
guess
our
first
assumption
was:
if
we're
going
to
set
up
a
library
district,
we're
going
to
try
to
do
our
best
to
set
it
up
for
success,
and
I
think
that
david
earlier
in
his
presentation
described
some
of
the
advantages
of
ownership
over
leasing,
as
well
as
the
fact
that
they're
going
to
be
responsible
for
them.
The
second
we
kind
of
came
to
terms
with
the
fact,
or
we
acknowledged
that
it
was
our
view
that
these
facilities
were
purchased
by
the
community
and
over
time
you
know,
as
boulder
has
grown.
AB
Boulder
has
been
the
center
of
commerce
in
boulder
county
and
a
lot
of
people
from
outside
of
our
boundaries
have
pitched
in
to
help
pay
for
a
lot
of
things
that
we
enjoy
just
because
for
such
a
long
time
we
were
kind
of
the
dominant
retail
center
in
the
region
and
then
finally,
the
thing
that
we
kind
of
brought
to
well.
I
guess
there
are
two
more
things.
AB
One
of
our
assumptions
was
that,
if,
if
we
are
going
to
separate,
we
are
going
to
try
to
do
so
in
a
manner
where
we
don't
interfere
with
each
other,
that
we
would
try
to
reduce
the
entanglements.
AB
You
know
that
that
would
come
with
it
and
then.
Finally,
with
respect
to
the
main
library,
I
think
that
we
just
drew
the
conclusion
that
the
entanglements
were
so
tight
between
the
city
and
you
know,
and
a
library
district,
in
terms
of
being
a
part
of
the
municipal
campus,
that
we
would
have
to
come
up
with
some
kind
of
arrangement
where
we
would
both
be
able
to
figure
out
how
to
manage
and
maintain
both
the
municipal
campus
around
it
in
the
library
as
well.
AB
And
I
might
add
on
to
that
just
a
little
bit.
I
think
some
of
the
other
questions
have
come
up
around
examples
of
other
leases
that
the
city
has
and
some
of
the
leases
that
we
have
are
with
other
non-profit
institutions,
so
think
of
chautauqua
or
the
dairy
center
or
the
building
that
bamoka
is
in
and
and
we,
when
we
looked
at
those
as
david
gear,
was
describing
they're
a
little
bit
different
than
this
situation.
AB
Those
are
buildings
that
then
a
a
not-for-profit
institution.
That's
providing
a
service
to
our
community
is
housed
in,
whereas
a
library
district
is
another
governmental
entity
with
a
guaranteed
revenue
stream
of
property
tax,
and
so
we
see
it
a
a
little
bit
different
in
the
sense
of
the
the
level
of
maybe
vulnerability
or
variability
of
their
income
and,
as
I
think
david
gear
described,
how
do
we
look
at
setting
up
if
a
if
a
district
is
created?
AB
How
do
you
set
it
up
to
be
as
successful
as
it
could
be,
and
those
were
some
of
the
factors
that
that
led
us
to
our
recommendation
of
a
transfer
versus
a
lease.
A
X
So
my
first
question
is,
as
you
spoke
to
different
communities,
sort
of
about
their
arrangements
with
the
libraries
that
were
set
up,
did
any
of
them
bring
up
difficulties
that
they
had
faced
due
to
their
ownership
or
lease
situation.
X
Z
Thank
you
for
that
question.
Lauren.
We
didn't
inquire,
but
we
did
get
some
unsolicited
advice
on
that
and.
U
Z
Mostly
has
to
do-
and
I
don't
think
this
is
our
situation.
It
mostly
had
to
do
with
older
buildings,
the
carnegie
building,
which
was
not
ada
compliant,
and
they
have
a
different.
The
lease
agreement
stipulates
certain
things,
so
it
would
come.
I
mean
I,
I
think
their
problem
really
was
the
way
in
which
the
lease
was
written.
So
the
responsibility
for
ada
compliance
was
on
the
part
of
the
town
they
refused
to
do
it.
Z
X
Thank
you,
and
that
kind
of,
I
think,
speaks
to
some
of
the
difficulties
of
the
entanglements.
I
think
david
was
sort
of
referring
to
earlier.
AB
I'll
take
that
one
well,
so
I
think
primarily
they're
both
possessory
interests,
so
you
can
do
it.
However,
you
want.
One
of
the
limitations
in
our
charter
is
that
our
leases
are
only
for
20
years
and
at
least
with
non-prof,
with
the
non-profits
that
we
have
lease
relationships
with
20
years
is
not
a
long
time
horizon.
AB
So
there's
always
a
little
bit
of
reticence
on
their
part
in
terms
of
like
how
much
time
is
left
on
their
lease
when
they're
you
know,
and
their
desire
to
do
capital
improvements
to
the
building.
So
you
have
that
kind
of
limitation
in
our
lease
and-
and
I
think
that
probably
the
the
the
advantage
of
ownership
is
pretty
much.
AB
What
david
was
was
talking
about
earlier
is:
if
the
library
district
ever
wanted
to,
you
know
bond
for
a
capital,
some
type
of
capital
project
that
they
would
be
able
to
pledge
their
assets
as
collateral
and
by
pledging
assets
as
collateral.
You
know
the
typical
result
is
you
can
get.
The
district
would
get
a
better
rate
on
its
bonds
or
its
certificates
of
participation,
so
those
would
be
the
main.
G
G
All
right
a
couple
questions
for
david,
I
think
well,
first,
like
maybe
panning
out
a
little
bit,
we've
gotten
a
lot
of
emails
recently
about
like.
Why
are
we
looking
at
a
library
district
like
what's?
What's
the
benefit
like?
What's
in
it
for
city
boulder,
so
I
was
hoping,
maybe
you
could
just
pan
out
and
maybe
give
a
little
context
of
what
are
benefits
of
a
library
district.
G
The
the
general
conversation
that
we're
having
you
know
we
are,
I
just
want
to
sort
of
pan
out
a
little
bit
and
set
some
context
for
the
discussion
that
we're
having
the
continued
discussion
that
we're
having
because
they're
we're
just
receiving
a
lot
of
input.
So.
E
G
Z
I
so
both
the
balder
community,
I
mean-
I
have
notes
in
my
office
going
back
to
1987.
right,
so
there
has
been
a
conversation
on
this
topic
going
well
beyond
three
decades
and
it
continues
to
come
back
up,
but
it
was
on.
It
was
on
my
work
plan.
When
I
arrived,
it
was
in
the
2008
master
plan,
so
you
know
our
goal.
Z
Staff's
goal
has
been
to
bring
this
conversation
to
fruition
into
public
hearing,
and
you
know
the
library
commission.
I
believe
we
presented
to
the
library
commission
in
the
course
of
the
master
plan,
every
funding
option.
I
think
you
could
possibly
imagine
right.
So
we
we
proposed
to
them
a
lot
of
considerations
during
the
course
of
that
two-year
master
plan.
They,
the
library
commission,
settled
on
at
that
time
that
library,
district
funding
was
the
most
common
form
of
governance
in
the
state
of
colorado.
Z
It
provided
the
most
fair
and
equitable
and
sustainable
form
of
funding
for
library,
districts
and
hence
why
it
was
the
most
common
form
of
governance
for
public
libraries
in
the
state
of
colorado.
Four
subsequent
library
commissions
have
unanimously
agreed.
You
know
it
is
possible.
I
mean
their
libraries
collect
a
lot
of
data
and
I'm
happy
to
come
back
and
present
all
kinds
of
data.
We've
presented
a
lot
of
data
to
the
library
commission
over
the
years.
You
can
review
it
yourself.
Most
of
it
is
freely
available
online
through
lrs.org.
F
K
Z
Of
libraries
throughout
the
state
and
draw
your
own
conclusions,
I
mean
the
conclusion
that
the
library
commission
drew
and
that
I
think
many
of
the
library
champions
have
drawn
is
that
it's
clear
that
library
districts
tend
to
grow
financially
with
their
communities
where
there
is
growth
and
either
financially
or
in
population
there's
corresponding
growth
in
the
financial
stability
of
that
library
district.
I
think
that
was
probably
one
of
the
important
factors
for
their
consideration.
Z
Z
Three
of
the
other
five
are
actively
having
the
same
conversation
that
we're
having
so
denver,
longmont
and
boulder
are
having
the
same
conversation
about
whether
or
not
to
form
a
district.
The
only
other
two
I
know
for
certain
one
of
them
has
been
in
you
know
significant
financial
straights
for
a
number
of
years,
and
the
other
one
went
for
a
district,
a
taber
election
in
the
early
2000s
and
failed,
and
they
have
not
been
back.
So
you
know
if
you
count
the
ones
that
are
considering
it
and
the
one
that
has
failed.
Z
G
F
G
Re-Level
set,
why
we're
here
and
and
can
you
also
confirm,
I
think
my
my
recollection
is
that
if
we
weren't
having
you
know
going
through
this
process
that
the
library
champions
had
had
collected
enough
signatures
to
get
on
the
ballot
like
circumventing
council?
Is
that
true?
Do
you
do
you
know.
Z
What
it
does-
and
I
I'll
ask
the
attorneys
to
weigh
in
if
they
can
my
understanding
of
what
the
petition?
Yes,
they
did
collect
enough
signatures
from
a
petition.
They
turned
them
in
that
does
not
circumvent
council
in
the
sense
of
which
council
still
has
the
option
to
opt
out
of
a
district,
any
any
community
or
township
or
city
that
provides
some
level
of
library.
Services
can
opt
out
of
becoming
a
district.
Z
What
it
does
is
it
preempts
council's
ability
to
be
an
establishing
entity,
so
has
an
establishing
entity,
council
and
the
board
of
county
commissioners
have
the
option
of
establishing
both
the
boundaries
to
the
district
and
the
mill
levy
and
the
process
by
which
the
trustees
and
that
kind
of
thing
are
appointed.
All.
Z
That
we've
outlined
for
you
in
the
iga,
those
would
be
those
those
but
the
primary
ones
being
the
mill
levy
and
the
boundaries
would
be
established
by
the
petitioners
and
not
by
the
establishing
entities.
And
that
was
the
reason
I
believe
in
part
that
the
petition
was
pulled
in
an
effort
to
get
the
city
council
and
the
county
commissioners
involved
in
that
conversation
about
what
the
boundary
should
be
and
what
the
middle
level
should
be.
G
All
right,
thanks
for
that
history,
I'm
more
pointed
now
to
the
the
question
at
hand.
I
I
do
think
that
a
big
part
of
my
job
is
to
protect
city
assets
and
and
and
and
not
sort
of
give
away
the
family
farm,
as
I
think
people
are
worried
about
that,
we
would
be
doing
if
we
transfer
ownership.
G
So
I'm
wondering
and-
and
I
haven't
previewed
this
for
you
either-
I
did
try,
I'm
sorry
but
like
what
do
you
see
as
worst
case
scenarios,
so
sort
of
the
inverse
of
of
lauren's
question?
Like
you
know,
here's
the
the
pros
to
selling
rather
than
leasing,
but
as
an
attorney
I
feel
you
know
it's
just
where
my
mind
goes
like.
G
What's
the
worst
thing
that
can
happen
if
we
transfer
this
and-
and
I
can
I
can-
I
can
think
of
of
you-
know
a
dozen
ways
that
it
would
be
not
and
advantageous.
So
just
wondering
what
what
do
you
see
as
realistic
cons
to
transferring
land
and
or
building,
because
least
seems
like
the
the
least
risky
option.
AB
Yeah,
I
think,
you're
correct,
I
think
least
leasing.
It
would
be
the
least
risky
option
you
know.
I
think
that
the
worst
thing
that
could
happen
is
that
the
library
district
would
fail.
It
would
end
up
in
some
type
of
bankruptcy
that
it
would
have
pledged
a
ton
of
debt
that
it
couldn't
pay
back
and
the
buildings
went
into
foreclosure.
That
would
be
kind
of
like
the
doomsday
scenario
that
said.
AB
Yeah,
okay,
but
you
know
but
but
that
said
you
know,
we've
we've
mentioned
this
before
one
there's
a
financial
plan
and
two:
it's
you
know
the
revenue
source
is
based
on
property
tax,
which
is
you
know
in
colorado,
is
probably
one
of
the
most
stable
revenue
sources
that
you
could
tap
into.
So
I
I
would
say
that
you
know
the
risks
that
I
just
described
are
pretty
out
there
all.
G
G
14.,
thank
you
for
that
and
then
one
last
question.
You
know.
I
think
that
that
we
are,
you
know
it
feels
like
a
bit
of
a
leap
of
faith
for
some
to
be
doing
this
district.
You
know
change
is,
is
often
scary
to
us,
and
so
is
there
anything
to
stop
us
from
saying
going
in
let's
lease
it,
but
in
five
years,
if
it's
you
know
up
and
running
smoothly,
then
then
we
can
go
ahead
and
look
at
a
sale
of
either
building
or
land
for
any
of
them.
Yeah.
AB
No,
and
from
just
conversations
that
we
have
had
with
kim
setter
that
you
know
the
outside
library
lawyer,
that's
been
kind
of
advising
us
through
this
process
is
that
that's
happened
with
districts
as
well,
where
they
start
out
in
a
lease
arrangement
at
the
beginning
and
then
at
some
point.
G
A
Okay,
nicole
and
then
mark
and
then
that.
U
Thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
thank
you,
david
fernand
just
for
your
stewardship
of
the
libraries
just
to
use
aaron's
analogy
of
sort
of
you
know
a
child
kind
of
growing
up
right.
We
wouldn't
be
in
this
place,
you
know
with
where
we
could
consider
kind
of
letting
the
libraries
grow
and
thrive
the
way
that
they
need
to
without
your
leadership,
and
so
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
that,
especially
during
the
pandemic,
thanks
to
you
and
your
staff.
U
U
A
question
that
I
have
is
just
around,
and
I
don't
know
if
this
is
the
right
analogy
to
be
doing
I'm
thinking
about
you
know
when
I
was
a
renter
one
of
the
really
frustrating
things
was
not
being
able
to
sort
of
take
care
of
the
things
that
I
needed
to
take
care
of,
because
the
landlord
was
there
right.
If
something,
if
I
wanted
it
changed,
if
you
know
I
needed
to
fix
or
address
something,
I
couldn't
do
that,
and
I'm
just
wondering
does
that
sort
of
leasing?
U
Does
that
hamper
the
libraries
in
that
you
know
in
sort
of
an
analogous
way?
Where
would
would
we
almost
be
kind
of
facilitating
the
library's
success
if
we
were
to
if
the
libraries
were
to
own
the
buildings
I
mean,
is
there
a
does
it
hamper
sort
of
the
library's
innovation
or
anything
like
that
down
the
road,
because
I,
as
a
you
know
as
the
proud
parent,
I
guess
for
now
you
know
I
really
want
to
see
the
libraries
thrive.
F
Z
I
don't,
I
think
it
all
depends
upon
how
you
write
the
lease.
You
know
the
in
the
in
the
assumptions
that
we
placed
on
before
this
all
began
is
that
the
library
district
would
be
fully
responsible
for
all
the
maintenance
and
upkeep
and
capital
expenses
related
to
the
building.
I
I
don't.
Z
I
don't
imagine
that
the
city
would
restrict
that
in
any
way.
I
know
there
have
been
several
questions
over
the
course
of
time,
from
primarily
from
the
library
commission,
which
is
not
a
governing
agency,
even
an
advisory
board
about
the
level
the
standards
and
levels
of
maintenance
and
of
our
current
facilities,
and
I
should
imagine
I
don't
know,
but
I
should
imagine
a
board
of
trustees
may
have
a
different
standard
of
maintenance
that
they
would
expect
than
what
we
currently
provide
with
the
city
and.
Z
If
they
can
pay
for
it,
I
mean
like
I'm,
assuming
that
the
lease
would
would
establish
a
certain
level
of
maintenance
that
was
required
of
the
district,
since
the
district
has
the
assumption
that
we're
making
is
that
the
district
would
pay
for
all
maintenance
issues
if
they
had.
Z
Standards,
hopefully
they
could
work
that
out
through
the
lease.
I
don't
know.
AB
Yeah-
and
I
think
that's
that's-
the
primary
difference
is
that
it's
truly
clear,
if
you
own
it
that
you're
responsible
for
it
in
a
lease
arrangement,
you
can
allocate
responsibility.
However,
you
want
to
negotiate
it
between
the
parties.
U
Thank
you
and
it's
the
case.
The
trustees
would
be
reporting
on
kind
of
the
the
district's
finances
and
financial
situation
a
couple
times
a
year.
Is
that
right?
So
it's
not
like
it's
just
sort
of
handed
over.
We
would
still
have
some
insight
into
where
things
stand
financially.
U
Thank
you,
and
I
I
think
you
know
aaron
just
to
the
point
about
the
question
that
we're
considering
here.
I
I
think
what
is
compelling
to
me
is
that
the
question
that
lauren
mentioned
about
and
that
david
mentioned
in
the
presentation
around
the
benefit
that
the
library
has
the
library
district,
would
have
having
their
own
buildings
and
sort
of
being
able
to
take
out
loans
finance
against
that
as
needed.
U
It
just
feels
like
it's
giving
them
more
flexibility
and
that
you
know,
I
think
my
my
main
motivation
and
all
of
this
is-
is
how
we
can
ensure
the
best
chance
of
success
for
the
library
district
as
it
kicks
off.
So
I
think
that's
where
I'm
leaning
right
now
is
more
toward
following
staff's
recommendations
or
I'm
sorry.
I
don't
remember
if
it
was
staff
for
ldac
their
recommendations
about
how
to
do
that,
where
the
main
library
building,
but
not
the
land
would
be
given
to
the
district.
A
I
am
going
to
try
to
get
us
through
the
rest
of
any
questions
that
remain
and
then
and
then
go
to
comments.
So
we'll
just
see.
If
we
have
any
more
questions
I
think
mark
and
then
matt.
Q
Just
one
quick
response
to
rachel,
I
I
thought
her
comments
were
very
good.
You
know
in
connection
with
financing
david
you
you
mentioned
that
there
was
only
a
remote
possibility
of
default
and
repossession.
Q
I
just
want
to
mention
that
the
city
of
boulder
was
in
great
financial
shape
in
2019
and
then
covet
it
stuff
happens,
and
you
know
the
power
to
pledge
assets
is
one
that
has
to
be
dealt
with
very
seriously.
My
question
is
for
chris,
you
had
made
a
comment
with
respect
to
a
governmental
agency.
Q
You
know
leasing,
space
and
suggested
that
somehow
that
was
in
some
way.
Awkward
does
not
the
city
of
boulder
lease
space
at
scale
and
does
that
inhibit
our
ability
to
conduct
our
operations?
Q
How
would
it
be
different
for
a
a
library
district
to
do
that
and
has
other
entities
has
chautauqua
been
constrained
by
its
lease
in
any
significant
way?.
AB
You
know
I
mark,
I
think
the
point
was
that
it
would
actually
be
a
better
relationship,
because
the
library
district
is
a
you
know,
non-profits
have
to
fundraise,
and
the
library
district
has
a
very
would
have
a
a
very
stable
revenue
source,
and
I
think
you
know
the
relationship
would
probably
be
easier
and
better
with
a
library
district
than
we
probably
currently
exist
with
our
nonprofits.
AB
Yeah,
that's
why
you
gotta,
you
got
elected,
so
you
get
you
get
to
make
that
call
okay,
yeah,
I
think
mark.
If
I
wasn't
clear,
I
apologize
what
I
I
think
I
was
really
trying
to
just
articulate:
is
the
the
behind
the
the
interest
behind
leasing
for
nonprofits
and
versus
a
governmental
entity
and
just
really
the
the
variation
in
revenue
source?
So
there
wasn't
a
judgment
that
I
was
trying
to
make
in
terms
of
leasing,
for
governments
is
a
bad
thing.
AB
It's
more
of
just
the
the
stability
of
a
non-profit
versus
the
stability
of
a
government.
A
government
is
likely
way
more
stable.
D
Thanks
aaron,
and
so
I
have
a
question.
I
mean
rachel
kind
of
prompted
a
little
bit
of
a
high-altitude
question,
which
I
think
is
important,
because
this
is
not
only
discussion
for
us
as
a
body,
but
also
the
community
is
listening
as
a
whole
and
trying
to
gather
some
assemblance
of
oh.
What?
What
are
they
learning
and
knowing
and
facts
and
context,
and
all
that
so
so.
D
My
question
kind
of
centers
around
some
of
the
things
that
we've
been
hearing
and
and
sort
of
centers
around
kind
of
some
loose
assumption
about
that
forming
a
library
district.
Might
that
you
wouldn't
really
notice
anything
different
on
the
back
side,
and
so
I'm
kind
of
curious,
david
farnad.
If
you
could
maybe
address
with
some
financial
stability
and
really
kind
of
letting
the
bird
out
of
the
nest
and
thrive.
Z
U
Z
One
our
our
goal
at
present
and
most
of
the
goals
around
the
advocates
for
the
library
district
have
been
around
the
master
plan
right
so
and
those
are
legion.
You
know,
first
and
foremost,
I
think
finishing
the
nobo
project,
the
nobo
building
north
boulder
library
and
building
it
out
to
the
the
elements
that
we
designed
it
to
do
and
spoke
of
with
the
community.
Z
So
you
know
fully
taking
advantage
of
solar
energy
fully
taking
advantage
of
a
lot
of
the
green
energy
solutions
that
we
had
to
value
engineer
out
at
the
last
minute
because
of
cost.
We
would
also
finish
the
makerspace
build
the
playground.
Do
the
plaza
improvements
which
we
discussed
with
the
community?
There's
a
gun
barrel
library,
the
gun
barrel
library
has
been
discussed,
probably
at
least
as
long
as
a
library
district.
So
I
guess
for
at
least
35
years
we
would
open
a
gun
barrel
library,
with
the
library
district.
Z
That's
a
master
plan
goal
in
the.
In
that
same
context,
with
the
district
discussion,
the
advocates
have
discussed
a
library
in
naiwa,
which
that
is
that
has
been
folded
into
the
the
budgeting
for
a
potential
library
district,
and
then
you
know,
restoration
of
funding
is
another
huge
one
right.
So
we
we
still
are
roughly
hundred
thousand
shy
from
the
pandemic.
Z
Cuts
like
marcus
right
there
was,
there
were
cuts
all
across
the
city,
and
that
would
mean
reopening
the
carnegie
library
of
local
history,
reopening
the
canyon,
theater,
re-staffing
collection,
development,
buying
books,
rehiring
staff
for
boulder
reads:
adult
literacy
program.
Z
The
list
goes
on
and
on
one
of
the
major
one
of
the
major
factors-
and
you
know
I
haven't
been
asked
about
this
much-
is
that
it's
a
significant
chunk
of
change
for
a
district
to
assume,
as
as
you
all
discussed,
when
you
looked
at
your
facilities,
master
plan
in
2021,
you
know
going
from
a
half
a
percent
investment
in
replacement
value
to
two
percent
is
a
chunk
of
change.
Z
The
district's
budget
that
we've
worked
through
you
know
assumes
that
the
district
would
take
care
of
what
it
owns
or
that's
how
it's
always
that's.
How
we
always
phrase
when
we're
with
the
city
right,
so
we
take
care
of
what
we
own.
We
put
that
in
every
single
master
plan,
and
so
that
is
a
major
factor
and
probably
from
a
point
of
view
of
cost,
that
cost
actually
dwarfs
most
of
those
other
services
and
things
that
you're
looking
at.
Z
In
terms
of
like
an
outreach
program
to
the
latino
community,
opening
library
and
gun
barrel,
opening
a
library
in
nywa,
none
of
those
amount
to
the
same
amount
of
money
that
we're
factoring
into
the
library
district
budget
in
terms
of
taking
care
of
maintaining
the
facilities
in
working
order
and
trying
to
get
them
up
to
code
so
that
in
15
years
we
can
meet
the
climate
pools.
Z
Z
Library
master
plan,
those
are
all
goals
that
we've
outlined
and
I
don't
think
any
of
them
are
massive
stretch
goals
they
are.
They
are
focused
primarily
on
taking
care
of
what
we
own
in
the
master
plan,
but
there
are
some
stretch:
goals.
Opening
the
canyon
theater
back
up
to
the
public
has
been
a
stretch
goal
for
a
long
time,
adequately:
staffing,
the
carnegie
library
for
local
history,
opening
a
gun
barrel
branch-
those
are
all
strategical.
A
R
It
okay
great
well,
let
me
just
kind
of
I
think
our
goal
tonight
is
to
consider
and
possibly
improve
the
intergovernmental
agreement.
That's
on
the
table.
R
I
I
want
to
preface
my
comments
by
by
declaring
that
I'll
be
unlikely
to
support
the
formation
of
libraries
on
april
5th,
given
especially
given
the
new
large
tax
that's
been
proposed
that
would
affect
low-income
families,
fixed
income,
seniors
and
small
businesses.
But
with
that
said,
I
do
want
to
make
the
iga
better
so
that
the
best
foot
can
be
put
forward,
and
perhaps
this
will
pass
in
november
and
past,
perhaps
once
so.
I
just
wanted
to.
R
I
didn't
want
to
imply
that
by
proposing
changes
to
the
iga
you're
going
to
earn
my
vote
on
the
library
district,
because
you
probably
won't,
but
I
do
want
to
help
so
I
want
to
give
that
way
a
way
to
background
I'll
focus.
R
My
comments
on
just
item
number
one
because
I
know
we'll
come
back
on
item
number
two
and
three
in
a
few
minutes
and
that's
the
lease
of
the
building
versus
conveying
a
right
of
conveying
the
ownership
of
the
building
with
some
sort
of
complicated
right
or
reversion
or
clawback
right
having
as
a
lawyer,
who's
done
both
of
those.
I
will
tell
you
that
at
least
it's
a
lot
easier
than
conveying
ownership
with
the
clawback
right
or
right
or
reversion
it
gets.
R
R
They
recently
left
that,
and
now
we
lease
it
to
the
women's
wilderness
organization
and
then,
of
course,
probably
the
the
best
example
of
this
is
at
least
dates
back
to
1898,
where
we
leased
space
to
chautauqua
buildings
in
land
chautauqua,
and
we
continued
to
that
to
this
day
and
those
leases
get
renewed
about
every
20
or
30
years
matter
of
fact,
I
served
on
the
board
of
most
of
those
organizations
on
the
nonprofit
side
of
things
opposite
the
city
and
the
relationships
were
always
cordial
and
positive.
R
As
a
matter
of
fact,
I
negotiated
the
the
latest
renewal
of
the
chicago
leaves
back
in
2015
before
I
joined
council,
and
it
was
not
a
difficult
piece
to
negotiate
and
the
responsibilities
of
maintenance
do
fall
on
the
chautauqua
organization.
R
I
I
really
didn't
follow
chris's
distinction
between
a
non-profit
versus
a
government
entity,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
if
anything
government
entities
is,
is
a
better
tenant
than
a
nonprofit.
That's
got
to
scrape
for
for
the
money
this
this
government
entity
would
have
has
has
been
observed,
a
a
pretty
ready
revenue
stream
and
just
to
be
perfectly
clear.
I
think
when
we're
talking
about
least
we're
talking
about
a
dollar
a
year
lease
we're
not
talking
about
hundreds
of
thousands
or
millions
of
dollars,
I
think
we're
talking
about
a
dollar
a
year.
R
R
If,
for
some
reason,
bad
things
happen-
and
I
think
you
know
rachel
identified
correctly-
that
conveying
ownership
is
a
lot
more
risky
than
a
lease
and
there
is
a
possibility
that
if
we
conveyed
ownership,
the
the
library
district
could
go
on
borrow
money
and
pledge
that
asset
by
way
of
mortgage
and
even
a
government
entity
can
file
bankruptcies
matter
of
fact,
there's
a
special
chapter
of
the
bankruptcy
cold
called
chapter
nine.
R
I
used
to
do
a
fair
amount
of
bankruptcy
work
in
chapter
nine,
particularly
my
in
a
prior
life,
and
someone
made
a
comment.
Well,
the
this
entity
won't
file
chapter
nine,
because
it
has
a
good
plan
based
on
property
taxes.
Well,
I
will
tell
you
that
every
single
government
entity
that
filed
chapter
nine
had
a
good
plan
based
on
property
taxes,
and
things
got
out
of
hand.
So
I
don't
think
it's
beyond
the
realm
of
possibility.
R
It's
something
any
of
us
would
wish
for,
but
I
do
want
to
recognize
that
if
we
were
to
lease
the
property
for
a
dollar
a
year,
that
does
take
that
risk
off
the
table
and
it's
effective
the
same
thing
from
an
operating
standpoint,
the
building's
still
there,
but
from
a
legal
standpoint,
we
have
the
right
to
to
pull
it
back
in
the
event
that
maintenance
was
not
being
provided
at
the
stipulated
level
in
the
lease
or
the
library
got
herself
into
financial
difficulty,
and
then
I
want
to
roll
in.
R
I
think
mark
also
raised
this
kind
of
zone
of
influence
or
area
of
influence
question.
I
think
we're
going
to
include
that
type
that
in
under
item
one,
I
would
be
pretty
opposed
to
giving
the
library
district
veto
power
over
what
the
city
or
what
downtown
organizations
might
want
to
do
in
the
area.
When
I
saw
when
I
saw
the
area
of
influence
clause,
I
kind
of
reminded
me
of
the
of
the
late
19th
century,
where
the
european
powers
carved
up
parts
of
china
in
zones
of
inference.
R
There's
a
portuguese
interest
and
there
was
a
french
interest
and
there's
a
uk
interest.
It
feels
kind
of
pretty
offensive
to
me.
I
I
think
you
know
the
library
district,
whether
it
owns
the
building
or
or
releases
it
from
the
city.
They're
a
tenant
and
and
they'll
operate
their
library,
and
I
don't
think
they
get
to
tell
businesses
or
the
city
downtown
what
they
can
do
in
the
neighborhood.
R
E
K
A
Thanks
for
that
bob
I
I
went
ahead
and
raised
my
hand,
I'm
gonna
call
myself.
That's
right!
Well,
I'll,
just
start
off
by
saying
that
that
I
am
I'm
very
likely
to
support
the
formation
of
library
district
on
april
5th.
So
that's
something
that
I'm
very
interested
in,
but
also
appreciate,
like
bob
said,
try
try
to
make
that
g.
The
best
you
can
I'll
just
offer
some
thoughts
on
this
lease
versus
question.
I
very
much
want
the
district
to
be
successful.
A
If
the
voters
approve
it
and
I
feel
like
it
could
be
very
successful
with
either
a
leased
or
an
owned
approach,
so
I'll
just
I'm
going
to
go
with
the
will
of
counsel
on
this
one,
but
just
a
thought
on
on
either
direction.
I
think
first,
let
me
or
add
in
that
a
great
appreciation
for
the
work
that
the
ldac
committee
did
they.
A
They
sat
and
worked
on
these
issues
very
very
hard,
so
their
recommendations
carry
a
lot
of
weight
and
they've
led
us
to
the
draft
iga
that
we're
working
with
here
and
so,
which
is
quite
a
long
document
and
very
much
appreciate
them,
guiding
us
towards
that,
and
so
we're
talking
about
a
few
key
issues,
but
just
want
to
be
clear
that
I
very
much
appreciate
their
work
and
all
of
their
recommendations
matter
very
much
here
so
and
so
that
they
advised
a
donation
of
most
of
the
land
in
the
buildings,
and
I
think
that
could
be
successful
to
get
the
the
district
off
and
starting
and
running.
A
If
we
take
that
approach.
The
one
thing
I
would
say
is
that,
rather
than
a
right
of
first
refusal
for
the
buildings,
I
would
want
to
see
the
right
of,
I
think
was
reversion.
A
Whatever
the
term
was
that
was
used
where,
if,
if
a
currently
owned
city
building
were
given
to
the
library
district
and
in
some
point
in
the
future,
they
decided
they
no
longer
needed
it
for
a
library
purpose
that
the
city
could
get
that
back
without
spending
additional
funds.
I
think
that
would
be
kind
of
the
sort
of
reasonable
thing
for
the
city
organization
to
have
that
option.
So
we
go
that
that
path.
I
would
argue
for
that.
If
we
go
the
least
path,
I
would
say
the
the
maybe
the
biggest
benefit
of
the
lease
path.
A
I
mean
there
there's
some
some
simplicities
in
terms
of
the
you
know:
it's
fairly
doable
to
craft
craft
a
lease
you
know.
I
do
understand
that
there
are
folks
in
the
community
that
have
an
attachment
to
sort
of
the
way
to
to
our
wonderful
library
system
in
the
way
that
has
been
run
historically
and
that
there's
some
reluctance
or
concern
about
donating
those
assets
to
another
entity.
A
Personally,
I
think
it's
a
it's
another
governmental
entity
that
would
have
the
library's
best
interest
very
much
in
its
heart,
so
I
think
it
can
work
out,
but
as
rachel
noted,
if
it's
leased,
it
could
at
some
point
in
the
future.
If
the
city
and
the
library
district
were
okay
with
it,
that
could
change
and
they
could
change
to
donation.
If
a
future
council
future
library
district
felt
like
that
would
be
a
similar
choice.
A
If
we
do
take
the
lease
path,
what
I
would
say
is,
I
think
it
should
be
very
clean
in
terms
of
the
city
handing
over
both
the
responsibility
and
the
ability
of
the
district
to
maintain
those
library
assets
to
a
high
standard
that
they
set
so
that
the
the
city
can
generally
stay
out
of
it.
Let
them
run
their
buildings
and
their
assets
the
way
they
feel
best
for
for
library
purposes.
A
G
Thanks
erin,
so
I
I
favor
lease
because,
like
I
said
it
just
seems
less
risky.
I
also
haven't
heard
a
ton
of
advocacy
around
like
from
from
people
who
are
pretty
invested
in
this,
that
I've
checked
in
with
they
don't
seem
to
feel
real
strongly
on
it
that
I've
heard.
So
I
would
go
with
the
lower
risk
lease
choice.
If
we
are
going
to
go
the
transfer
route,
I
would
really
want
to
know,
like
you
know,
a
worst
case
scenario
that
was
mentioned
is
bankruptcy
or
mishandling
funds.
G
So
let's
say
that
were
to
happen
and
they
need
to
close
boulder
branches.
You
know
three
of
them
are
something
in
the
district
and
you
know
downsize.
I
think
boulder's
been
very
intentional
about
having
libraries
within
15
minute,
neighborhoods
and
walkable
and
with
north
boulder.
We,
I
think,
really
wanted
it
to
be
there
as
a
community
benefit
for
people
who
live
near
it.
So
let's
say
that
were
to
get
sold.
G
What
can
go
there,
like
you
know,
certainly
I'm
with
aaron
on
the
right
of
reversion
or
reverter
rather
than
first
offer,
because
I
think
we
would
want
to
retain
those
spaces
as
a
community
space
and-
and
I
don't
know
what
the
options
are
like-
can
it
get
sold
to
anybody?
I
don't
know
what
zoning
applies,
so
it
went
that
really
nailed
down
if
we
were
to
go
the
transfer
route
before
I
I'd
support
that
I
think
lisa's
just
it
sounds
to
be
less
risky.
I
think
that
you
know.
G
After
after
we
get
a
community
understanding
of
how
the
library
is
working,
we
can
look
at
it
again
and
I
think
it
also
as
someone
who
who
wants
this
to
succeed,
I'm
likely
to
support
it
and
I
hope
voters
do
too.
I
think
it's
probably
more
appealing
to
voters
to
have
not
that
that
the
sense
of
like
losing
the
land
that
and
the
buildings
and
and
an
unknown
future,
possibly
arising
around
them.
So
I'm
for
elise
thanks.
Q
Mark
I'm
sorry,
I
didn't
realize
it
was
up
next
there
you
go.
I
I
just
want
to.
I
also
favor
leasing
for
a
number
of
reasons,
and
I
I
I
think,
there's
almost
a
a
sense
of
discomfort
with
leases.
As
an
attorney,
I
must
have
done
hundreds
of
commercial
leases.
They
do
not
imply
undue
restriction
on
the
tenant,
you're,
basically
permitted
to
do
whatever
the
lease
permits
you
to
do,
and
that
can
be
very,
very
broad.
I
would
expect
it
to
be
broad
because
I
don't
want
the
city.
Q
What
the
district
does
all
that
a
commercial
lease
does
in
the
end
is
say,
you
know
we
expect
you
to
maintain
the
property
up
to
a
certain
standard
and,
if
that's
not
being
done,
then
we
have
a
conversation,
because
we
have
a
little
bit
of
recourse.
Q
You
don't
have
to
have
a
great
many
requirements
in
the
lease
to
do
this,
or
do
that
it
can
be
a
you
know,
an
annual
report
to
to
the
landlord
as
to
what's
going
on.
I
mean
it's,
it's
not
necessarily
a
burdensome
transaction,
but
it
does
provide
a
little
bit
of
extra
protection
for
the
city
and
by
the
way,
I'm
very
concerned
with
with
pledging
or
monetizing
the
assets
of
our
libraries.
Q
You
may
not
be
able
to
do
it
on
the
release,
doesn't
mean
you
can't
come
to
the
landlord
to
say:
can
we
do
this?
This
is
an
excellent
opportunity
for
us
and
we'd
like
to
do
this,
and
we
can
have
that
conversation
all
that
the
lease
does
is
protect.
The
assets
require
them
to
be
maintained
to
a
general
standard
of
good
repair
and
cleanliness,
and
then
sets
the
the
library
district
off
to
do
its
business
as
best
it
can.
Q
So
I
you
know
to
the
extent
that
there's
some
sort
of
concern
that
that
that
commercial
leasing
here
would
be
unduly
burdensome
on
the
district.
I
I
really
would
have
to
take
issue
with
that.
I've
done
too
many
of
these
to
to
buy
into
that
theory,
and
I
hope
other
people
will
will
support
the
leasing
concept,
because
it
does
provide
at
least
a
modicum
a
shred
of
protection
to
the
city
of
boulder
without
interfering
with
the
library
district's
ability
to
conduct
its
affairs
as
it
sees
fit
in
these
buildings.
Q
A
Thanks
mark
lauren,
nicole
matt.
X
Thank
you,
I
think
aaron.
As
you
pointed
out,
I
think
that
no
matter
which
option
we
pick,
I
think
that
likely
we
will
have
a
really
positive
outcome.
I
personally
plan
okay,
I
am
excited
to
see
the
library
district
and
I
will
likely
support
it
going
forward.
X
Outside
I
think
the
main
branch
is
maybe
a
special
case
because
of
its
location
because
of
the
land
it
sits
on
just
the
way
it
relates
to
the
city
for
a
whole
variety
of
reasons.
For
me,
the
main
branch
feels
like
leasing
would
be
the
right
option
and
then
for
the
other
locations.
I
would
support
ownership.
X
I
think
my
biggest
concern
is:
is
maintenance
and
is
sort
of
proper
upkeep
in
the
long
time
you
know
in
the
long
term,
the
george
reynolds
branch
is
the
one
closest
to
me,
which
we
remember
had
a
pipe
break
and
caused
a
significant
amount
of
damage,
and
I
just
while
leases
can
be
made
clear,
there
is
nothing
as
crystal
clear
as
ownership
in
terms
of
who
is
responsible
and
who
both
for
not
only
the
maintenance
of
the
buildings
but
for
any
like.
I
also
think
about
landscape
maintenance
and
these
wind
events.
X
U
Thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
lift
up
a
point
that
chris
mentioned
earlier,
that
I
think
went
a
little
bit
unnoticed
just
about
the
fact
that
the
libraries
have
been
supported
by
the
general
fund,
which
has
been
supported
by
sales
tax,
which
does
not
just
come
from
boulder
residents,
but
really
is
more
broad
than
our
city.
So
a
lot
of
the
the
sales
tax
money
that
we
get
as
a
city
comes
from
people
who
aren't
in
boulder,
and
so
you
know
for
me,
I
just
kind
of
think
about
that.
U
You
know
when
I
think
about
who
sort
of
owns
the
buildings
or
you
know,
who's
paid
into
it.
It
really
is
a
broader
regional
thing.
I
think
you
know
the
fact
that
thank
you
again
staff
for
doing
this
research,
but
that
the
majority
of
the
districts
that
staff
got
a
hold
of
were
adida
the
buildings
that
tells
me
that
there's
something
valuable
there.
U
I
also
think
this
point
about
allowing
the
libraries
to
be
able
to
just
have
a
little
bit
more
financial
flexibility
is
kind
of
pushing
me
still
in
the
direction
of
dating
the
buildings.
I
do
agree
with
lauren
on
the
point
that
the
main
library
brand
or
the
main
library
building
does
seem
to
be
a
slightly
different
beast.
U
So
I
would
you
know,
support
giving
ownership
of
the
buildings,
the
other
buildings
to
the
library
district,
and
then
I
think
either
just
the
building
or
just
leasing
the
building
for
the
main
library
building.
U
Just
given
us
its
location-
and
I
want
to
say
it
seems
like
most-
people
are
focusing
more
on
the
lease,
and
so
I
just
want
to
echo
lauren's
point
there
that
I
really
want
to
make
sure
the
library
district
is
getting
responsibility
for
the
building
maintenance
and
that's
not
coming
to
the
city,
but
that
that
is
something
that
the
library
district
has
the
I'm
going
to
say.
Ownership
in
quotes,
but
just
sort
of
in
the
things
that
they
are
meant
to
do
that.
A
D
Thanks
aaron
yeah,
so
I'm
gonna
have
to
agree
with
some
of
my
colleagues
and
and
maybe
in
specific
lauren,
and
she
laid
out
a
case-
that's
very,
very
identical
to
mine
for
one
I
will
most
certainly
be
supporting
a
library
district
as
we
continue
to
move
forward.
The
benefits
are
just
just
quite
quite
astounding,
and
it's
long
overdue-
that
we
provide
that
financial
security
and
independence
among
many
of
the
other
benefits
that
david
and
others
have
pointed
out.
D
In
terms
of
this,
I
would
say
that
I'm
in
favor
of
leasing
of
the
main
library
for
for
some
of
the
complexities
that
have
been
been
laid
out,
but
with
the
other
branches
for
the
sake
of
that
financial
security
and
being
able
to
leverage
those
for
better
rates
on
bonds
or
loans.
I
do
think
the
other
four.
D
I
would
be
supportive
of
those
being
owned,
not
just
the
building
but
the
land
itself
and,
of
course,
coupling
that
to
to
a
right
of
reversion,
I
think,
would
would
be
appropriate
there
as
well,
and-
and
so
I
think
that
that's
a
I
think,
as
lauren
pointed
out.
Those
are
those
are
really
positive
benefits.
You
know,
and
really,
lastly,
on
that,
I
think
what
drives
me
and
nicole
point
this
out
too
is
is
it's
about
what's
in
the
best
interest,
for
the
district
to
be
able
to
maximize
achieving
their
goals?
D
You
know,
there's
this
master
plan
that
we're
currently
sitting
on,
and
I
expect
the
new
district
to
form
its
new
master
plan
and
there's
nothing
more
frustrating
than
having
a
master
plan
and
then
being
have
one
hand
tied
behind
your
back
and
being
able
to
achieve
it
or
not
being
able
to
be
as
visionary
or
or
as
transformative
in
a
master
planning
process,
as
you
might
want
to,
because
you
don't
have
the
financial
means
to
do
that,
and
so
I
want
to
unencumber
a
library
district
so
that
they
can
really
be
adaptive
to
what
we
need
in
a
library
for
our
community
now
and
for
for
decades
to
come,
and
I
think
this
allows
us,
at
least
in
terms
of
the
recognitions
that
I
certainly
agree
with
lauren
on
a
bit
we'll
help
help
them
get
there.
A
Thanks,
maybe
I
can
call
on
terry
who
hasn't
spoken
yet
and
then
bobby
can
go.
Y
A
R
Bob
I
just
want
to
make
two
small
technical
points.
One.
There
was
some
discussion
about,
maybe
leasing
the
the
main
branch,
which
would
be
great
and
possibly
conveying
ownership
on
some
of
the
neighborhood
branches.
I
think
at
least
one
maybe
two
of
the
neighborhood
branches
are
actually
leased
to
themselves,
whether
we
have
a
commercial
landlord,
and
so
we
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
convey
ownership
on
those.
The
best
we
could
do
is
be
to
sublet
the
those
properties
to
the
to
the
library
district.
R
So
I
just
want
to
make
that
observation,
and
david
for
gear
can
certainly
walk
us
through
what's
owned
and
what's
or
what's
leased
by
us,
and
all
the
best
we
could
do
is
be
the
sublease.
The
second
I
want
to
make
an
observation.
Somebody
talked
about
a
20-year
lease,
or
maybe
david
gear.
Did
there
is
a
provision
in
the
boulder
by
statute.
This
was
actually
adopted
by
the
voters
a
few
years
ago.
R
That
allows
a
super
majority
of
council
to
grant
a
30-year
lease
and
that's
to
allow
tenants
to
make
substantial
investments
in
their
properties
if
they
like
to,
because
20
years,
sometimes
is
a
little
bit
too
short.
So
I
just
want
to
flag
that
for
us
if
we
do
go
down
the
the
path
of
leasing,
these
some
or
all
these
buildings.
I
do
want
to
recognize
the
fact
that
when
we
get
to
that
vote
by
a
super
majority
vote,
we
can
we
can
make
the
30-year
lease
there's
a
couple
of
other
conditions
requirement.
R
But
but
that's
a
thing
that
can
be
done.
A
Y
Oh,
it's
up.
Okay,
you
know
what
I'll
just
no
I'm
good.
A
All
right:
well,
I
that
was
not
a
unanimous
opinion.
I
I
counted
said
I
think
four
people
interested
in
leasing.
I
heard
three
folks
of
a
combination
of
leasing
and
owning
and
then
I
said
well,
I
think
it
can
all
work
out,
but
I
was
intrigued
by
the
lauren
offered.
A
What
which
shepherd
was
a
bit
of
a
middle
way
here,
which
is
leasing
the
main
library
branch,
which
is,
of
course,
the
flagship
branch
that
started
the
library,
and
I
think
that
the
community
has
the
greatest
amount
of
attachment
to
in
terms
of
sentimental
attachment
and
concern
over
its
future
while
donating
the
other
library
branches.
That's
a
proposal
that
I
can
get
behind
so
and
you
know
we
don't
have
juni
here
tonight,
so
we
have
all
nine
of
us.
So
I'm
not
sure
exactly
what
she's
thinking.
A
R
Bob
we
could
have
david
gear
walk
us
through
which
of
the
branch
branches
are
actually
not
even
owned
by
the
city,
because
I
think
at
least
one
or
two
of
them
are
actually
leased
by
the
city,
so
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
donate
them
anyway.
AB
Right,
there's
the
north
boulder
branch
library,
not
the
one,
that's
gonna,
be
constructed,
but
the
the
storefront
one
in
north
boulder
and
then
the
one
that's
in
the
meadow
shopping
center,
the
meadows
branch.
So
those
two
are
we
lease
those
spaces
and
I
think
that
the
idea
behind
those
is
that
we
would
simply
either
sublet
to
the
district
or
we
would
try
to
assign
the
leases.
A
A
The
north
boulder
branch
doesn't
exist
yet
so
to
me,
that
seems
like
the
easiest
one
to
donate
with
the
formation
of
the
district,
because
it
would
get
created
about
the
time
the
district
was
formed
if
the
district
is
successful
in
terms
of
being
passed,
so
that
one
seems
easier
to
me,
but
so
I
just
offer
I,
if
somebody
people
want
to
say
okay,
that
seems
pretty
good
or
if
people
want
to
say
you
know
what
it
really
has
to
be
a
different
way.
A
G
A
AB
Well,
you
know
more
or
less.
I
think
that
we're
kind
of
agnostic.
I
think
that
what
the
state,
what
the
staff
would
be
has
been
has
been
interested
in
downtown,
is
a
flexible
relationship
that
allows
us
both
to
coexist
in
in
a
in
a
very
small
area,
so
whether
that
would
be
done
with
a
condominium
form
of
ownership,
whether
it's
done
with
the
lease.
AB
A
G
So
I
mean
whatever
the
the
majority
will
is.
Obviously
that's.
It
is
what
it
is.
I
think
it's
it's
a
riskier
thing.
I
think
that,
especially
with
the
small
branches
like
reynolds,
like
that's,
probably
an
easier
one
to
let
go
of
and
potentially.
G
Anyways
I
I
my
concern
is
just
that
that
you
know
library
branches
could
be
closed
in
in
in
the
city
of
boulder
and
it
seems
like
a
a
possibility
that
I'm
not
sure
why
why
open
that
door.
G
So
that
said,
it
doesn't
seem
like
the
the
biggest
aspect
to
spin
over,
given
that
we
have
two
more
so
I
wonder
if
maybe
we
could
come
back
to
this
if
it's
going
to
be
sort
of
a
four
four
split
at
this
point
and
see
how
the
other
things
turn
out
and
if
we
learn
anything
in
those
discussions.
G
AB
And
I
guess
the
other
thing
and
anyone
can
virtually
kick
me
under
the
table
if
they
would
like,
but
we
don't
have
to
decide
this
tonight.
You
know
we
put
together
the
iga
with
the
notion
of
like
we're,
trying
to
kind
of
get
some
consensus
about
where
the
council
sees
the
city
going
as
we
would
move
into
a
negotiation
with
the
library
district
once
if
it's
formed
and
a
board
is
appointed.
Q
I
still
think
leasing
is
the
better
way
to
go,
and
I'm
particularly
concerned
with
with
the
the
right
to
mortgage
or
monetize
a
brand
new
north
boulder
library
in
which
we
have
invested
a
great
deal
of
city
funds,
I'm
happy
to
have
that
under
the
control
of
the
library
district,
but
not
happy
to
give
them
the
right
to
then
take
that
new
building
and
and
pledge
it
towards
a
bond
towards
a
certificate
of
participation
or
any
other
financing
device
that
has
been
constructed
with
city
funds
and
again
I
have
no
problem
with
it
being
run
by
the
library
district
for
as
long
as
they
are
in
operation,
but
I
do
have
a
problem
with
them,
potentially
monetizing
it
and
putting
it
in
jeopardy
of
of
not
remaining
under
control
of
either
the
city
or
the
library
district.
Q
As
I
said
before,
you
know
things
have
a
way
of
changing.
Our
finances
were
great
in
2019
and
then
covet
hit
and
another
occurrence
like
that.
If
you
have
bonded
that
facility,
you
may
find
that
being
able
to
carry
the
debt
service
on
those
bonds
becomes
extremely
difficult.
What,
then,.
D
So,
just
since
we
kind
of
got
kind
of
a
shot
across
the
bow
earlier
from
staff
about
not
being
really
clear
about
what
advice
we're
giving
staff,
it's
not
the
whole
spectrum
at
this
point,
because
we're
kind
of
four
four
it's
either
a
full
lease
for
everything
or
the
hybrid
model
that
lauren
recommended.
D
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
those
two
tracks
that
we're
sending
off
to
staff
or
is
it
just
now-
is
everything
still
on
the
table
and
we'll
come
back
to
it
and
we
kind
of
just
spun
our
wheels
for
a
little
bit.
I
kind
of
want
to
make
sure
we're
we're
heading
in
that
in
a
focused
narrowing
our
scope
a
little
bit
for
our
next
conversation.
A
Yeah
thanks
for
that.
Well,
what
I,
what
I've
heard
is,
it
seems,
like
everyone
or
close
to
everyone,
feels
like
leasing.
The
main
library
makes
sense.
So
that
seems
like
we're
pretty
much
on
on
the
same
track
there
and
then
the
question
is
whether
the
branches
would
be
leased
or
donated,
and
there
I'm
seeing
a
split
and
what
I'm?
What
I'd
like
to
propose
is
that
we
for
the
offer
that
we
come
back
to
this
as
we
move
into
the
iga
discussions
and
also,
we
could
maybe
think
about
ways
to
be
creative.
A
If,
for
example,
there
are
ways
to
donate,
but
with
a
covenant
on
it
that
requires
it
to
stay
a
boulder
library
branch
for
some
number
of
years
so
that
we
have
you
know
some
certainty
about
services
being
provided
in
existing
locations.
A
You
know
for
long
enough
to
assure
the
community,
but
but
still
sometime
in
the
future,
you
have
flexibility
about
for
doing
other
things.
So
I'm
not
saying
that's
what
we
do,
I'm
just
saying.
Maybe
we
can
sharpen
our
pencils
as
we
come
back
to
this
and
think
about
creative
ways
to
address
some
of
the
concerns
that
have
been
raised.
Q
Erin,
can
I
with
you
for
one
second
sure.
One
concept
that
I
would
certainly
be
comfortable
with
is
new
facilities
created
by
the
library
district
could
certainly
be
owned
by
the
library
district.
They
were
not
built,
you
know,
presumably
they
were.
They
are
being
built
with
library,
district
funds,
not
general
funds
out
of
the
city,
and
the
district
could
certainly
have
an
entitlement
to
do
what
what
they
will
with
those
new
facilities.
A
Very
very
good-
and
I
think
that's
what's
contemplating
the
current
iga
so
that
I
think
that
that
makes
sense
so
rachel
you've
got
your
hand
up.
No
is
sue.
Are
folks,
okay
with
us
coming
back
to
this
doing
some
additional
thinking,
hearing
from
juni
and
then
finalizing
the
last
details
in
the
iga
discussions.
A
Z
Thank
you
for
the
direction.
I
think
we
do
have
some
direction
here
that
we've
taken
main
out
of
the
equation
in
terms
of
an
ownership.
It's
it
is.
I
think
there
was
at
least
a
majority
in
terms
of
leasing
of
maine
in
the
land,
and
then
the
branches
are
still
somewhat
a
little
in
the
wind,
but
that
we're
we're
hoping
from
question
one
and
question
two
to
get
your
direction
for
how
negotiations
of
an
iga
would
go.
When
we
get
to
question
three,
we
need
that
for
the
resolution.
Buddy.
Q
No,
are
we
going
to
discuss
that
the
main
library
area
of
influence
tonight
that
provision
which
you
know.
F
Z
A
F
F
F
F
F
F
A
A
All
right
very
good:
well,
we
got
everybody
back
so
bob
you
have
your
hand
up
already.
I
was
gonna
introduce
this
for
the
next
couple.
A
Yeah
well,
what
I
was
just
gonna
say
is
that
so
we
got
two
other
questions
and
we
asked
a
lot
of
detailed
questions
about
that
last
one.
I
appreciate
that
that
was
a
fairly
it's
a
weighty
topic
about
how
to
approach
the
assets
of
the
library
system.
I'll,
say
I
think
these
two
are
a
little
more
straightforward.
A
So
my
hope
is,
you
know,
ask
whatever
questions
you
need
to
ask,
but
my
hope
is
that
we
can
be
maybe
a
little
more
a
little
quicker
with
these,
both
in
terms
of
questions
and
discussion,
so
but
I'll
establish
that
as
a
an
ambition
so
yeah.
If
we
could
get
that
slide
up
about
the
the
next
question
about
the
how
we're
appointing
district
members,
please.
Z
So
this
one
is
somewhat
more
straightforward.
This
is
about
trusty
appointment.
You
have
two
options
according
to
the
law.
One
is
that
the
city
council
continues
with
the
board
of
county
commissioners,
with
two
appointed
trustees
to
interview.
Essentially
the
vet
interview
and
rata
select
and
appoint
trustees
or
the
other
option.
Is
you
designate
the
library
board
of
trustees
having
the
responsibility
to
vet
and
interview
and
then
recommend
new
trustees?
Z
Either
you
know
one
or
more
than
one
to
the
city
council
for
ratification.
That
is
your.
Those
are
your
two
options.
A
All
right
does
anybody
have
any
questions
on
this
item?
D
I
do
I
it's
kind
of
just
a
just
clarifying
because
there's
been,
I
guess
one
would
say.
Maybe
maybe
some
misconceptions
about
what
this
entails,
and
I
just
want
to
be
clear
that
in
either
scenario,
council
and
the
county
commissioners
retain
authority
as
to
whom
gets
appointed
as
subsequent
or
successor
trustees
that
it's
there
is
no
abdication
of
any
responsibility
as
to
who
does
that
or
who
has
that
authority
that
that
authority
in
both
scenarios
is
duly
vested
in
council
in
the
county
commission.
I
just
want
to
sort
of
verify
that.
AA
No,
it's
correct.
The
recommendations
are
ratified
by
two-third
vote
of
each
body.
AA
Now
I
guess
that
a
possible
scenario
that
I've
kind
of
played
out
in
my
mind
this
is
janet
michaels
with
the
city
attorney's
office-
is
what,
if
the
trustees,
the
the
sitting
trustees,
recommend
somebody
that
the
commission
board
of
county
commissioners
and
city
council
don't
favor.
AA
A
AA
I
that's
not
the
way
the
law
is
written.
The
law
says
that
if
there
isn't
action
well-
and
I
guess
that's
a
good
question-
it
says
if
the
if
they
don't
act
within
60
days,
the
law
doesn't
really
address
what
would
happen
if
the
council
and
the
commissioners
rejected
it
and
it
went
back
to
a
conversation.
AB
AB
As
I
understand
it,
it's
either
the
either
take
you
can
take
an
action
affirming
it
by
two-thirds
vote
and
if
you
can't
get
two-thirds
vote,
the
person
wouldn't
be
ratified
or
approved,
or
you
know,
if
you
took
no
action,
then
they
would
be
gained
approved
after
the
60-day
time
period,
but
I
think
that,
in
terms
of
conversations
that
we've
had
with
kim
setter
he's,
he
has
expressed
his
belief
that
the
legislative
bodies
have
a
lot
of
control
over
this
process.
A
X
So
just
to
clarify,
if
the
council
and
the
commissioners
said
no,
then
it
would
go
back
to
the
library
commission
group
to
suggest
another
person
or
how.
How
would
that
get
resolved.
AB
X
Z
Yeah
yeah,
so
you
have
the
right
at
any
time
to
ratify
a
candidate
right.
So
you
you,
you
could
take
their
wreck.
I
mean,
and
I
know
this
has
happened.
So
candidates
have
been
recommended.
They
were
rejected.
The
the
establishing
entity
appointed
someone
else
and
that's
that's
within
your
right
at
any
time.
You
don't
you
don't
permanently.
You
know,
I
don't
believe
you
permanently
transfer
the
responsibility
to
a
library
board
of
trustees
to
nominate
candidates,
if
only
they
can
do
it.
You
could
say
we
don't
like
these.
A
U
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
say
aaron.
My
understanding
of
this
was
similar
to
yours.
What
it
read
to
me,
like
is
basically
just
saying
like:
if
you
guys,
are
lazy
and
don't
do
your
job,
then
you
know
we
just
have
a
new
trustee,
but
I
think
too
that
the
that
the
iga
can
kind
of
direct
how
the
bylaws
are
written
for
this
too
right.
So
we
can
be
crystal
clear
on
this
point
that
you
know
we
perceive
an
action
as
saying
no,
we
don't
want
this
person
to
be
a
trustee.
A
That's
a
great
point:
okay,
bob,
do
you
have
another
question,
or
should
we
move
in
good
go
right
in
the
comments?
Great
tara
has
a
question.
It
looks
like.
Y
A
R
Yeah,
I'm
you
know
I'll
as
between
option
one
option
two.
I
would
pick
option
one.
Obviously
right
now
the
voters
voting
for
us
and
we're
held
accountable
for
the
operation
of
the
library
and
the
funding
of
the
library.
That's
the
that's
the
ultimate
accountability.
R
One
is
we
pick
the
trustees
as
we're
about
to
do
if
this
district
is
formed,
then
we
continue
to
pick
those
and
vote
on
them
by
two-thirds
vote
much
as
we
do
already
with
all
of
our
boards
and
commissions.
We
just
did
that
last
week,
and
so
presumably
we
would
go
through
an
interview
process.
We'd
have
people
come
in.
They
would
tell
us
why
they'd
be
great
trustees.
We
would
vote
we'd,
appoint
those
people
as
opposed
to
having
the
board
self
appoint.
I
realized.
R
There's
a
ratification
by
council,
but
you
know
we
we've
received
almost
300
emails
from
canary
members
who
have
expressed
concerns
of
various
varying
degrees
on
this,
and
this
is
one
of
the
areas
that
seem
to
come
up
pretty
frequently
this
this
kind
of
lack
of
control
and
lack
of
accountability.
So,
as
between
the
two
options,
it
does
seem
to
me
the
option.
One
does
have
at
least
a
greater
appearance
of
of
accountability
and
that
we
get
to
pick
the
people
and
then
ratify
them
rather
than
having
them
picked
for
us
and
ratify
them.
U
I
think
I
I
am
leaning
more
toward
option
two
at
this
point,
where
the
trustees
kind
of
form
their
own
group,
but
then
we
have
the
ultimate
say
over
whether
or
not
those
those
folks
are
coming
through,
and
the
reason
that
I'm
saying
this
is
because
I'm
just
thinking
back
to
how
much
time,
tara
and
lauren
spent
on
all
these
board
appointments
aligning
schedules
was
often
the
hardest
part.
U
I
think
taylor
for
taylor
spent
a
week
or
two
just
on
that
part,
and
what
we're
talking
about
here
is
not
just
aligning
kind
of
council
schedules,
but
also
county
commissioner
schedules
that
that
just
feels
like
a
harder
thing
for
me-
and
I
feel
like
if
council
has
the
final
say
on
saying
yes
or
no
to
the
the
people
who
are
being
recommended
that
feels
sufficient
to
me.
I
don't
know
that
I
feel
like
we
need
to
kind
of
go
the
extra
step.
U
The
other
thing
that
I
I
just
wanted
to
to
note
is:
I
think
that
in
here
there's
an
engagement
process
as
well,
where
we're
going
to
be
kind
of
getting
some
more
feedback
from
the
community
on
the
iga
and
that
sort
of
thing
and
that
that
feels
like
kind
of
a
am
I
misremembering
that
stuff.
Maybe
you
can
correct
me,
I
felt
like
there
was
a
spot
in
here
where
we
were
going
to
get
some
more
feedback
from
the
community
formal
feedback.
AB
The
statute
doesn't
address
it,
so
it's
whatever
feedback
that
you
want
to
get
okay.
So
it's,
however,
you
want
to
just
design
the
process.
Yep.
U
Okay,
okay,
thank
you
yeah!
So
anyway,
I
think
I'm
I'm
leaning
towards
section
two
just
because
it
feels
or
option
two
just
because
it
feels
like
sufficient
for
me.
If
council
and
future
councils
have
the
ability
to
say
yes
or
no
to
folks,
I
don't
know
that
we
need
to
add
that
extra
process
of
doing
the
interviews
and
aligning
with
county
schedules
and
that
sort
of
thing
also.
Y
Y
But
when
it
comes
to
the
library,
I
would
visualize
that
the
library
people
involved
with
the
library
would
know
the
most
about
who's
best
for
the
library
rather
than
it
becoming
political,
because
I
I
would
rather
it
not
be
political
but
be
library
oriented,
and
so
we
still
have
the
option
as
council
and
whoever's
counsel
at
that
time.
If
they
think
it's
a
bad
idea,
but
we
might
have
more
of
a
chance
of
it,
not
being
political
if
it's
not
picked
by
a
city
council.
Q
You
know,
I
think
I
think
the
coal
is
correct.
It's
certainly
a
more
difficult
process
to
do
option
one,
but
I
I
think
I
still
lean
towards
it
in
the
following
respects.
Q
It's
not
uncommon
for
boards
of
this
is
a
governmental
entity,
but
you
know
often
happens
with
non-profits
to
get
a
little
bit
inbred
and
and
not
reach
out
to
to
look
for
other
voices
and
other
points
of
view
and,
ultimately,
no
matter
how
these
commissioners
are
picked,
we're
going
to
be
judged
on
it.
You
know
it's
going
to
be
council's
fault
if
there
are
bad
commissioners,
whether
we
ratified
them
or
we
selected
them.
So
in
my
view,
we
might
as
well
bite
the
bullet
and
select
them.
Q
I
believe
in
the
good
faith
of
any
council
and
county
representatives
sitting
we're
going
to
look
for
library,
people
we're
going
to
look
for
people
with
experience
in
the
field,
and
I
you
know
if
I'm
going
to
be
held
accountable
for
the
performance,
I'd
like
to
have
a
little
more
say
in
who
is
performing
that's
creating
the
accountability
that
I
have
to
undertake.
Q
So
I
I,
although
nicole,
is
quite
corrected.
It's
a
it's
really
more
of
a
pain
to
do
it.
That
way,
I
would
still
prefer
to
do
it
that
way.
F
G
I
don't
care
a
ton
about
this.
If,
I'm
being
very
honest,
it
seems
like
either
one's
going
to
be
just
fine,
so
I'm
just
going
to
come
down
on
the
side
of
consistency
and
when
yeah,
I
I
think
we
should
consistency
with
how
I
think
I've
been
in
the
past
and
and
I
think
that
the
that
path
for
me
is
option
two.
G
But
I
honestly
I
I
am-
I
guess
I
don't
understand
like-
is
this
some
of
this
exercise
to
have
like
our
opening
salvo
of
what
we're
taking
to
the
county
and
then
they
will
weigh
in
and
then
we'll
have
a
group
conversation
around
it
because,
honestly,
if
commissioners
feel
very
strongly
about
it,
that's
going
to
influence
me.
So
I'm
a
little
bit
confused
about
like
the
process
as
well.
X
Thanks,
I
also
in
warm
support
of
option
two,
both
for
the
reasons
sort
of
nicole
and
tara
brought
up
as
well
as
it
seemed
like.
That
was
the
way
that
the
majority
of
the
example
districts
had
also
done
it,
and
so,
if
it's
good
enough
for,
I
just
think
that
if
it's
not
broke
and
the
idea
that
council
and
the
commissioners
would
retain
ultimate
control,
does
leave
me
with
enough
comfort.
D
Thanks
aaron,
I
will
well,
I
think,
just
share
some
of
rachel's
perspective
that,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we
still
retain
control
the
mechanism
in
which
the
the
candidates
funnel
to
us.
I'm
a
little
agnostic
too.
But
I
do
think
it's
important
that,
for
the
sake
of
consistency,
we've
spent
through
boards
and
commissions
and
other
conversations
of
trying
to
whittle
down
our
micromanagement
of
a
lot
of
apparatuses
and
processes
within
the
city,
so
that
we
can
be
focusing
on
more
long-term
strategic
decisions
for
our
community.
D
And
so
I
feel
like,
as
we
talk
about
unleashing
the
freedom
of
a
library
district.
It's
kind
of
like
sending
a
kid
off
to
college
and
saying
go,
have
off
go
explore
the
world,
but
here
are
all
the
conditions
in
which
you
still
must
live
in
the
house,
and
so
I
think
we
need
to
kind
of
allow
that
freedom
to
exist
and
so
having
them
nominate.
And
then
us
ratifying
to
me
seems
like
the
best
path
for
us
to
still
retain
control,
but
not
be
totally
micromanaging
and
over
doing
our.
A
Commitment
to
too
many
processes
right,
I
think
that
leaves
me
so
I
I
think
we
have
a
direction
to
move
towards
option
two
based
on
people
who've
already
spoken.
This
is
another
one
where
I
feel
like
the
district
can
be
very
successful
either
way
and
like
the
last
couple,
people
who
spoke,
I'm
kind
of
agnostic
about
it,
like
I
feel
like,
would
be
successful
either
way.
A
So
I'm
perfectly
fine
with
option
two,
given
that
we
would
retain
ultimate
authority
to
approve
but
similar
to
what
rachel
said
like
if
this
becomes
a
sticking
point
in
the
negotiations
later
on,
I'm
I'm
perfectly
fine
if
it
moves
to
option
one
instead,
so
so
it
sounds
like
we
got
a
majority
to
go
with,
recommend
the
trustees
recommending
new
folks
and
they
would
then
be
ratified
by
the
council
and
commissioners.
Z
Oh,
what
options
for
the
timing
of
disillusion
of
the
district
so
again
those
options
for
you
are
several
slides
down
or
one
side
up
or
two.
Z
Two
sides
up
emily.
I
think
we
have
option
one
in
option,
two
yeah
so
option.
One
is
much
like
what
you
saw
in
the
draft
iga
you
read
in
february
define
precisely
what
years
and
how
many
attempts,
if
you
do,
support
that
option.
We
would
like
to
know
what
years
and
how
many
and
then
option
two
is
the
next
slide.
Please.
Z
Define
a
deadline
date
by
which
the
district
must
obtain
voter
approval
for
funding.
This
would
look
something
like
the
electors
of
the
library
district,
approve,
xx,
mill
levy
to
fund
the
district
by
ex-state,
or
shall
dissolve
without
further
action
by
establishing
indices
into
fraternity.
Those
are
your
two
options.
A
That's
correct,
great
and
so
here's.
What
I
would
suggest
is
that
well,
let
me
know
if
you
have
any
follow-up
questions
in
a
minute
here,
but
what
I
would
suggest
is
that
we
start
by
saying:
do
we
want
to
go
with
the
the
first
approach
of
how
many
years
and
how
many
votes
or
the
second
approach,
with
the
deadline
once
we
have
direction
on
that
we
can
delve
into
the
either
the
numbers
of
years
and
number
of
attempts
or
the
deadline
date
depending
on
which
option
was
selected.
Does
that
work
for
folks.
R
Just
just
a
process,
question
aaron.
I
think
I
think,
there's
an
option
three
or
maybe
it's
an
option
to
be,
which
is
I
mean,
we're
talking
about
how
to
measure
the
bites
of
the
apple,
but
what?
If,
if
some
of
us
only
wanted
one
byte
of
the
apple,
would
we
pick
option
two
with
december
31
2022.
A
R
Allowance
sure
I
just
want
to
be
clear,
because
I
I
don't
think
there's
much
difference
between
option
one
and
option
two.
It's
just
it's
the
measuring
and
I
think
the
broader
question
is
how
many
how
many
goes
at
it.
I
think
that's
the
real
question,
not
whether
you
measure
a
number
of
votes
or
by
the
calendar.
A
I
might
actually
suggest
in
the
if
people
wanted
to
go,
that
way,
that
option
one
is
the
one
that
says
specifically
how
many
years
and
how
many
allowed
votes
right
so
that,
if
you
wanted
to
take
that
approach,
I
mean
david
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong,
it
seems
like
that's
included
in
option
one,
and
it
would
only
be
implied
in
option
two.
AB
Yeah
well
and
I'll,
just
maybe
go
by
example,
so,
like
the
language
that
you
see
it
for
option
two,
this
is
what
lions
did
when
they
formed
the
lions
library
district.
It
was
just
that
they
said
you've
got
three
years
to
do
it,
and
you
know,
of
course
the
first.
The
first
vote
was
set
with
you
know
the
first
year
of
district
formation,
but.
A
Okay,
do
we
have
follow-up
questions
from
nicole
and
rachel.
U
AB
Well,
if
I
can
explain
it
just
very
simply
so
option
one
could
be.
You
have
10
years
to
get
your
tabor
measure
passed
and
you
can
go
to
two
elections
so
so,
and
the
district
would
decide
when
they.
You
know
the
district
trustees
would
figure
out.
You'd
probably
do
the
first
one,
and
then
they
might
wait
six
years
to
try
it
again.
The
second
one
you
would
just
say
you've
got
you've
got
10
years,
and
if
you
want
to
go
every
year,
that's
your
choice.
AB
U
I
just
had
a
question
for
staff
about
this,
so
it
seemed
like
this
was
a
place
where
the
staff
recommendation
was
maybe
going
in
a
slightly
different
direction
than
what
other
districts
have
done
and
what
mr
sater
had
recommended,
and
I
was
just
wondering
if
that
was
an
accurate
understanding,
because
it
seemed
like
he
was
saying
to
you
know:
do
it
where
it's
like
you
have
four
to
six
attempts
right
is
what
most
districts
have
done,
but
then
staff
was
saying
you
know
better
simpler,
just
to
tie
it
to
a
particular
year,
and
so
I
was
just
wondering
on.
AB
I
think
option
two
is
consistent
with
the
advice
that
we
got
from
mr
setter,
that
you
just
set
a
time
period
and
you
let
the
district
figure
it
out.
A
A
All
right
so
I'll
invite
people
away
and
I'll
just
note
that
so
we'll
start
with
option
one
versus
option:
two,
if
you
wanna
speak
to
how
you'd
implement
them
a
little
bit.
That's
fine
too!
But
if
you
don't
feel
that
you
need
to
talk
I'll,
take
a
straw
poll
at
the
end
on
option,
one
versus
option
two
but
feel
free
to
talk.
If
you
want
to
bob.
R
Yeah,
well,
I
I'm
not
either
option
one
or
option,
I'm
not
I'm
not
I'm
really
keen
on
multiple
bites
of
the
apple.
We
don't
do
that
for
any
other
tax.
We
just
go
out
there
and
we
propose
the
tax
and
it
either
passes
or
fails.
So
it's
a
little
bit
weird
to
me.
I
realize
that
some
districts
have
done
this,
especially
since
they've
had
some
bad
experiences
where
the
taxes
have
been
voted
down.
R
So,
but
if
I
had
to
pick
between
option
one
and
two,
I
think
I'd
pick
two,
because
I
would
like
to
give
the
trustees
a
little
bit
of
flexibility
on
when
to
go
out
rather
than
telling
they
have
to
do
their
elections
in
certain
years.
They
may
decide
that
this
year
or
next
year
is
not
a
good
year,
so
I
would
give
them
a
deadline.
The
deadline
I
would
give
was
december.
31
2022,
I
suspect,
I'll,
get
out
voted
on
that.
R
But
if
I
had
to
pick
between
the
two
I'd
have
a
hard
date
by
which
they
they
need
to
get
approval.
I
I
would
observe
that
this
is
going
to
leave
if
the
vote
fails.
In
november,
it's
going
to
leave
the
library
in
limbo
for
many
many
years,
it's
going
to
be
like
the
muni,
we
kind
of
kind
of
doing
it,
but
kind
of
not
doing
it,
and
it's
gonna
be
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
discussion.
This
community.
Q
Q
If
this
thing
wins,
that's
the
end
of
the
conversation,
it's
done.
We
have
a
an
approved
library
district.
There
will
be
people
who
don't
like
that.
Do
they
deserve
another
crack
at
the
apple,
and
I
think
the
answer
to
that
is,
of
course
no.
So
I,
and
can
somebody
explain
to
me
other
than
we
wish
to
put
our
thumb
on
the
scale
why
we
would
do
multiple
votes
on
the
same
matter
simply
to
tell
the
community
we
didn't
like
the
way
you
decided
think
think
harder.
Q
I
mean.
How
does
that
work?
Is
there
any
other
tax?
Is
there
any
other
group
in
the
city
that
is
entitled
to
that
when
unexpectedly
bedrooms
are
for
people
did
not
pass?
The
proponents
of
bedroom
said:
okay,
we
get
it.
We
still
want
to
talk
about
occupancy
and
we'd
like
to
have
some
amendments
to
occupancy,
but
we
understand
that
that
which
we
proposed
did
not
pass.
Q
AB
AB
The
city
council
could,
if
it
shows
the
next
year,
put
the
same
exact
tax
on
and
maybe
there
would
be
more
education
and
all
of
the
things
that
happened
in
an
election.
So
you
know
the
council
has
the
ability
to
do
that
now.
The
thing
that's
unusual
about
this
situation
is
is
if
they,
if
the
library
district
fails
the
first
time
and
you
set
that
date
as
a
hard
date,
which
it's
a
policy
call
I'm
not
advocating,
they
don't
get
to
ask
again.
We
have
to
go
through
this
whole
process
all
over.
Q
Q
We
would
not
have
that
obligation
because
that's
a
fairly
definitive,
a
very
definitive
vote,
but
if
it
loses,
you
know
you
know
53,
47
or
48.
Then
we
give
some
extra
time
to
see
if
they
can
generate
the
additional
support
they
did
not
have.
AB
Yeah,
so
I
can't
think
of
a
reason
why
you
couldn't
do
that,
but
I
would
probably
want
to
run
that
by
mr
setter
and
just
see
what
his
thoughts
are,
because
it's
a
it's
a
variation.
You
know
it's
a
minor
variation
on.
You
know
allowing
it
to
happen
at
multiple
occasion,
elections
yeah.
Q
So
and
I
have
no
idea
how
it
will
come
out-
I
I
can
only
speak
to
the
the
emails
I
have
seen
and
received,
which
leads
me
to
indicate
in
the
absence
of
the
polling.
We
have
decided
not
to
do
that.
This
may
be
a
more
contentious
and
more
closely
contested
election
than
we
think
I
could
be
wrong.
Q
I
mean
if,
if
it
passes,
you
know
55
45
again
at
the
end
of
the
conversation
and
if
it,
if
it
fails
by
three
or
four
or
five
points,
there's
there's
a
good
argument
for
doing
it
again,
but
not
if
it
loses
decisively.
Q
A
I
I
won't
call
anybody
down
here
tonight.
I
see
a
lot
of
hands
up,
but
maybe
janet.
If
you
I
see
your
anime,
we
can
weigh
in.
AA
Thank
you
mayor.
I
I
just
wanted
to
well
state
two
things
number
one
staff
is
agnostic
on
this.
It's
certainly
a
council
decision,
but
even
if
you
did
the
percentage
that
you're
talking
about-
and
it
was
decisive
by
the
voters
that
they
did
not
want
to
fund
the
district,
the
advocates
could
the
next
year
go
out
and
circulate
a
petition
and
get
this
put
back
on
the
ballot.
Or
you
know
I
mean,
as
david
said,
we'd
be
right
back
in
the
same
place
that
we
are
so
they
it's.
The
advocates
that
hold.
Q
A
D
Thanks
aaron
so
mark
you,
you
posed
a
bunch
of
questions
that
require
some
unpacking.
I
think
a
little
bit
for
one
with
regards
to
sort
of
answering
the
bites
at
the
apple.
The
inherent
question
really
has
two
questions
embedded
in
it
and
it's
hard
to
suss
out
what
the
community
actually
supports.
D
So
to
me,
the
bytes
at
the
apple
serves
a
very
clear
function
as
to
how
to
achieve
it
and
settle
in
on
what
that
right
amount
is
because
you
can't
determine
whether
it's
the
support
for
the
district
or
just
simply,
I
don't
like
property
taxes,
it's
hard
to
suss,
that
out
in
one
in
one
fail
swoop
with
regards
to
sort
of
polling.
We've
had
some
polling
a
few
times,
so
we're
not
flying
blind
here.
D
This
is
in
many
ways
this
speaks
to
why
we're
trying
to
move
to
an
even
year
election
cycle,
because
a
margin
with
only
35
000
of
our
voters
participating
is
likely
not
the
same
margin
when
you
add
25,
000,
more
voters
on
an
even
year
cycle,
so
picking
an
arbitrary
margin
is
really
discriminatory
towards
a
lar,
a
group
of
people
that
typically
vote
in
a
different
cycle.
So
I
think
setting
that
number
is
problematic
on
a
lot
of
fronts
depending
on.
D
If
you
have
three
years
and
we
go
odd
year
even
year,
then
odd
we're
sampling
a
different
electorate
each
time,
and
so
I
think
it's
better
for
us
to
just
be
fair
and
not
set
that
margin.
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
problems
associated
with,
but
but
the
big
thing
with
the
bites
of
the
apple
is
that
we
get
to
figure
out
what
the
community
wants
and
we
can
throttle
that
number
appropriately
to
settle
in
on
a
number
and
maybe
it's
just
outright
rejected.
Q
But
there's
no
specifics
in
the
ij
that
I
saw
that
deal
with
amending
the
terms
to
do
exactly
what
you
are
suggesting.
If
that
were
the
case,
it
makes
a
much
stronger
argument
for
coming
at
it
again.
If
you
want
to
take
the
3
eight
down
to
three
one
or
you
know,
change
the
leasing
to
purchase
or
purchase
to
leasing,
you
know
changing
the
terms.
A
little
bit
creates
a
better
argument,
so.
A
D
Super
cool-
it's
just.
I
thought
that
that
was
staff
answered
kind
of
that
question
and
preface
that
in
our
previous
conversation
about
it,
but
but
if
it's
still
unknown
or
there's
an
issue,
I'd
certainly
love
it
clarifying,
but
that
can
be
done
in
an
email
or
subsequent
after
this.
But
thank
you.
D
Sorry
option
two:
please.
A
Okay,
great
lauren,
nicole
tara,.
X
I
actually
had
the
same
question
that
matt
and
mark
were
talking
about,
which
is
what
would
be
allowed
to
change
legally
between
different
asks.
X
Like
can
we
change
the
mill
levy
level
or
is
there
because
I
I
know
there's
some
things
that
we're
not
allowed
to
change
right,
like
the
the
boundary
of
the
district,
and
things
like
that,
so
I
was
just
wondering
if
anyone
could
provide
a
quick
little
legal
tidbit
on.
Z
Z
A
Thank
you
if
I
could
follow
up
on
that,
could
could
the
three
organizations
renegotiate
the
iga
in
between
votes,
to
tweak
a
couple
provisions
of
it.
A
It's
not
critical
for
tonight,
but
just
maybe
that'd
be
interesting
to
learn
at
some
point.
Okay,
lauren
did
you
have
a
did?
You
want
to
voice
a
preference
season,
two
nicole's
here.
U
Also
too
yeah.
A
Y
All
right,
you
know
I'm
not
a
big
metaphor
fan,
but
I
will
talk
about
bike
to
the
apple.
If
pushed,
although
as
much
as
I
really
do
like
apples
a
lot,
my
initial
thought
would
be
really
just
one
choice
because
I
feel
like
you're
setting
a
precedent
by
saying
over
and
over,
and
I
don't
really
think
that
sounds
fair
to
me.
However,
I
wouldn't
mind
two
being
what
matt
said
and
I
would
just
max
it
out
at
two
with
the
most
just
because
everybody's
gonna
want
to
do
that.
A
A
And
mark
did
you
have
a
preference
on
option
one
versus
option
two.
Q
You
know,
and
as
I
said
I
you
know
if
there
are
conditions
we
can
attach
to
it,
I
would
I
would
make
it
one
year
unless
it
comes
within
five
points
and
then
take
another
crack
at
it,
amend
it
to
your
heart's
content
and
see
if
you
can
make
a
better
sale.
Okay,.
A
A
A
A
Okay,
so
it
sounds,
sounds
like
we're:
okay,
as
a
council
with
with
option
two.
Now
the
choice
is
about
expiration
dates.
So
maybe
we
can
do
this
kind
of
like
we
do
boards
and
commissions
appointments.
Maybe
people
could
nominate
expiration
dates
and
then
we
could.
We
could
have
a
straw
poll
to
vote
on
those.
What
what
do
people
think
about
that
approach
is
that
is
that,
right,
okay,
all
right,
y'all,
aren't
being
very
expressive
with
your
faces
here.
I'm
just
I'm
just
saying.
R
Sure
I
I
would
nominate
december
31
2022,
but
I
could
live
with
a
hybrid
of
what
tara
and
mark
suggested,
which
is
december
31
2023,
provided
that
the
vote
was
within
a
certain
pretty
night,
tight
margin
of
error
or
difference.
I
think
mark
suggested
five
points
I
could
live
with
that
five
points.
Eight
points,
something
that's
we'll
look
at
so
yeah,
it's
pretty
close
47.53.
R
U
Nicole,
I'm
gonna
nominate
december
31st
2025..
My
logic
there
is
that
it
does
seem
like
most
districts
have
had
kind
of
four
to
six,
I
think
was
what
our
memo
said
shots
at
this.
I
don't
know.
We
really
need
that
many
and
you
know
having.
I
think
this
would
be
the
way
I
said
it
in
2025
would
be
four
potential
election
cycles
and
the
folks
could
decide
they
want
to
run
every
one
they
want
to
just
run.
U
You
know
one
or
two,
or
we
could
just
be
like
most
almost
all
districts
that
folks
investigated
and
just
get
it
through
on
the
first
one.
So
I
I
just
don't
want
to
again
my
my
main
motivation
is
how
we
can
make
the
library
district
six
most
successful
and
give
it
the
best
chance
of
success
and
treating
our
library
district
differently
than
any
other
library
district
has
been
treated
in
the
state
does
not
seem
like
we're
setting
ours
up
for
success.
Who
knows
what
could
happen
like?
U
I
think
it
was
lions
that
had
the
flood
or
right
right
right
before
their
district
was
voted
on
and
it
passed
by
flying
colors.
The
second
time
so
I
I
don't,
this
world
is
kind
of
a
mess
right
now
we
got
a
lot
of
uncertainty.
I
would
really
love
to
set
the
district
up
for
success
and
give
it
a
few
shots
if
it
needs
it.
I
don't
know
that
it
will
thanks.
D
A
And
saying
it
that
way
appreciate
it.
Let's
see
rachel
I'll
call
myself.
G
I
guess
we
have
a
lot
of
focus
on
the
benefits
of
even
your
elections,
and
I
I
struggle
to
imagine
that
the
library
district
will
run
an
election
in
an
odd
year.
So
I
would
probably
go
12
20
24
or
12
20
26.
G
A
Great
okay,
so
I
was
going
to
say
something
similar.
I
was
going
to
nominate
12,
31
2024
and
the
reason
why
I'd
choose
that
say
nicole
over
to
25
is
that
I
do
really
feel
like
our
elections
do
better
for
our
community
when
there's
the
greatest
number
of
people
voting
in
them.
So
I'm
I
I'd
like
to
give
the
district
some
flexibility
to
have
a
couple
of
tries.
A
Potentially,
as
as
david
gear
noted,
we
have
that
discretion
at
the
the
city
that
we
can
put
something
on
multiple
times
if
we
feel
like
it's
necessary,
so
I'm
comfortable
giving
that
option
to
the
library
district.
But
I
would
I
would
like
to
focus
them
on
the
even
year
elections
where
turnout
is
much
higher
so
because
of
that
I
would
put
the
expiration
date
at
the
end
of
2024..
A
Okay,
so
I'm
here
well,
let's
see
so:
we've
got
I've
got
a
22.
I've
got
a
23.
If
there
are
conditions,
I've
got
a
24,
I've
got
a
25
and
I've
got
a
26
out
there.
That's
a
lot,
I'm
gonna.
We
could
just
go
through
it
and
vote
on
it,
and
then
we
can
drop
off
any
that
don't
get
any
votes
and
then
move
on
to
another
round.
I
I
would
propose
to
do
this
like
boards
and
commissions,
since
we
all
have
the
traumatic
experience
of
that
fresh
in
our
minds.
Q
Listen,
I
can
live
with
2024
if
it's
only
the
second
election.
If
the
champions
want
to
run
in
the
year
elections
and
it's
their
second
election,
I
think
you
know
I
can
live
with
that.
I
would
not
like
it
to
be
2022,
2023
and
2024..
Q
I
just
think
that's
beating
the
issue
to
death,
so
if
there's
some
way
of
getting
them
to
agree
to
run
it
twice
if
necessary
in
the
even
years.
I
I
you
know,
that's
not
the
worst
outcome
in
the
world
to
me.
Otherwise
I
would,
I
would
run
it
twice
conditionally,
and
you
know
if
that
second
time
was
2024
as
opposed
to
2023.
I
could
live
with
that.
It's
just
doing
this
three
years
in
a
row
would
just
be
ridiculous.
U
I
just
want
to
withdraw
2025..
I
see
your
point
about
even
your
elections,
so
I
I
think,
sticking
with
options
of
even
years
would
be
fine.
I
think
in
in
that
case,
2026
sounds
good
to
me
that
that
way
they
could
potentially
just
run
to
even
your
election
cycles.
I
don't
know
I
don't
know,
but
right
now
the
idea
of
running
one
every
two
years
sounds
truly
exhausting,
but
you
know
for
three
years,
but
they
could
have
the
option
of
how
they
wanted
to
do.
That
seems
like
maximum
flexibility.
A
AB
I
I
think
I
would
well
my
advice
would
be
to
leave
that
decision
up
to
the
board
of
trustees
in
terms
of
when
they
pick,
because
I
don't
know
that
everybody
would
agree
that
local
elections
do
best
in
even
your
elections,
based
on
which
side
of
the
issue
you're
on.
So
it's
really
kind
of
a.
I
think
that
that's
kind
of
a
political
call.
A
What
point
taken
that
perfectly
fine
matt
and
then
rachel.
D
Yeah,
I'm
okay
sliding
back
from
2025
to
2024..
You
know
that
gives
you
two
even
year
cycles
and
and
as
to
david's
point.
If
they
chose
to
run
an
odd
fine
I'd
to
mark's
point,
I
don't
see
why
you
would
go.
Bang,
bang,
bang
bang
through
three
in
a
row.
I
think
you'd
maybe
want
to
take
a
break
to
reevaluate,
to
get
it
right
anyway
and
chances
are
you
want
the
massive
input
from
the
community
considering?
D
This
is
a
large
issue
affecting
a
large
geographic
area,
so
yeah,
I'm
good
with
the
2024
date
that
you
recommended
eric.
Yes,.
G
G
Propose,
like
you
know,
to
nicole's
point
like
what
if
2026
is
better
than
2024,
and
I
and
I
appreciate
david's
point
about
even
your
elections.
I
think
that
you
know
there's
a
there's,
a
sentiment
that
it
is
you
are
regardless
of
of
you
know
what
turns
out,
like,
I
think,
there's
a
bit
of
a
movement
towards
helping
more
people
to
to
have
their
voice
heard.
So
I
I
imagine
that
that
might
be
motivating
to
the
library
champions,
but
either
way
you
know,
2024
2026
can
we
say
two
and
that's
option
one.
G
Maybe
I'm
asking
if
we
wanna
look
back
at
option
one
and
and
give
them
the
the
flexibility
with
with
a
limited
number
and
and
the
only
reason
that
I
would
favor
a
limited
number
is
because
you
know
elections
are
divisive
and
a
lot
of
work,
and
so
you
know
I
don't
know
that
we
do
want
to
have
like
five
elections
on
this
issue
in
a
row,
and-
and
I
mean
it's
not
a
lot,
but
there
is
some
money
attached
to
to
running
an
election.
G
A
Y
A
Well,
let
me
just
see
if
there,
if
there's
support
here,
this
rachel
has
essentially
proposed,
as
I
understand
it,
switching
to
option
one
with
an
expiration
date
at
the
end
of
2024,
with
two
allowed
elections,
and
maybe
I'll
just
test
the
water
just
check
in.
Can
we
do
a
straw
poll
like
this?
What
does
council
think
about
that?
A
F
A
Okay,
so
either
2024
or
2026,
and
we
I
had
mark,
did
you
still
have
your
then
I'm
okay,
we
got
I'm
I'm
fine
with
that.
That's
four!
So
that's
that's.
I
think
split.
So
not
not
not
a
full
majority.
In
that
nicole,
did
you
want
to
offer
a
thought.
U
Yeah,
I
just
I
think
that
going
back
and
forth
is
confusing.
My
brain,
which
is
dealing
with
a
headache,
and
I
apologize.
But
I
I
really
like
in
my
mind
three
is
just
the
right
number
if
it
takes
up
to
three
whatever.
So
my
response
is
just
different,
depending
on
whether
we're
talking
about
option
two
or
option
one,
and
so
I
apologize
for
muddying
further.
But
if
we're
doing
option
one,
I
just
have
a
different
thought
in
mind
than
option
two.
A
A
Okay,
so
so
we
we
didn't
get
a
full
majority
support
for
that
one.
What
if
we
switch
back
to
option
two
and
I'll
just
put
out
there
an
expiration
date
of
12
31
2024,
and
that
this
is
the
one
that
I
put
on
the
table,
I'm
not
trying
to
elevate
my
voice
over
others.
So
if
people
want
to
tell
me,
that's
please
give
us
other
options
as
well.
A
No,
that
that
just
did
not
gain
majority
support.
Only
four
four
people
were
accepting
of
that
one.
So
I'm
now
saying
going
back
to
option
two,
which
means
there's
an
expiration
date,
but
it's
up
to
the
district
trustees
to
propose
how
many
times
they
would
go
for
an
election,
so
it
could
be
one.
It
could
be
two,
it
could
be
three,
it
would
be
up
to
them.
A
I'm
fine
with
that.
So
I
got.
I
got
four
again
okay,
so
we
still,
we
don't
have
a
majority
on
that
one
either.
A
Bob
that
was
yours-
you
had
a
2b
of.
Do
you
want
to
explain
what
you're
thinking
with
that.
R
Well,
I
it
was
really
actually
mark
and
tara's
idea.
It
was.
It
was
really
two
two
votes,
but
but
the
second
vote
happens
is
allowed
only
if,
if
the
margin
of
loss
of
the
first
vote
is
relatively
small,
we
can
define
what
small
is.
R
A
Tara,
do
you
have
your
hand
up
still?
Okay,
nicole,
you
have
another
thought.
U
Yeah
and
sorry,
I
think
I'm
just
I'm,
I'm
going
all
over
the
place
with
them.
It
feels
just
a
little
back
and
forth
to
me
right
now.
Initially
aaron
you
had
mentioned
just
kind
of
doing
it
like
we
did
boards
and
commissions
where
we
had.
You
know
a
couple
deer
years,
we're
narrowing
it
down
narrowing
it
down.
Can
we
still
do
that
right.
A
Let's,
let's
go
back
to
that
because
that's
where
I
was
going
to
go
next,
so
very
good!
Okay,
so
I
think
at
this
point
I
think
we
have
22,
24
and
26
are
on
the
table.
I
believe
so-
maybe
maybe
I'll
take
them
in
reverse
order,
if
that's
all
right
and
we
will
start
with
2026
and
how
many
people
that
is,
that
their
preferred
date.
Y
A
So
we're
going
back
to
option
two
which
had
majority
support
from
before
and
rachel's
attempt
to
bring
it
back
to
option.
One
was
unsuccessful,
so
we're
we're
going
back
to
option
two,
which
means
there's
just
an
expiration
date
and
you
don't
get
to
specify
how
many
elections
there
are
before
the
expiration
date
so
and
then
a
reminder.
I
do
this
like
boards
and
commissions.
So
after
we'll
vote
for
all
all
three
and
the
one
with
the
fewest
votes,
gets
dropped
off
and
then
we'll
read
to
the
vote.
A
A
X
X
X
A
A
Do
it
like
boards
and
commissions
start
with
26.?
How
many
for
how
many
people
is
26
their
preferred
number
year?
Okay,
we
got.
We
got
two,
how
many
people
is
24,
their
preferred
number,
all
right.
We
got
three
and
for
how
many
people
is
22,
their
perfect
number.
A
We
got
five
and
then
22
grab
three
okay,
so
that's
got
majority
council
support
for
a
deadline
of
24
with
with
it
left
to
discretion
the
district,
how
many
votes
that
they
take,
whether
it
be
one
or
two
or
three.
G
I
think
it's
the
will
of
council.
I
think
that
it's
it's,
it
is
confusing
because,
like
I
would
definitely
like
to
have,
if
we
were,
if
we're
limiting
it
to
those,
you
know
three
bites
at
the
apple
to
2024.
I'd
rather
have
three
bites
of
that
until
2026
or
two
bytes
until
2026.
So
it's
been
cobbled,
and
I
don't
know
if
this
is
something
that
we
will
get
back
to.
Is
this
again
the
initial
salvo
and
we
talked
more
about
it
with
the
commissioners
and
then.
Y
I'm
gonna,
I
think
we
should
go
back
to
what
lauren
said
and
do
the
bites
of
the
apple
first.
I
think
somehow
we
didn't
understand
the
option,
one
and
two,
and
so
I'm
not
sure
that
this
is
the
world
council,
but
if
everybody
else
thinks
it
is,
then
it.
A
I
you
know
if
people
want
us
to
take
another
crack,
it's
getting
late,
but
but
I
I
don't
want
to
suppress
people's
voices
and
we
don't
have
another
chance
at
this,
so
so
that
word
so
what
we
would
so,
let's
try
to
get
through
quickly,
though,
like.
U
A
All
right,
so
we
we
got.
We
got
three
on
that
one.
Okay,
so
nicole
basically
called
the
question
there
about
whether
to
continue
with
that.
So
I
think
that
was
a
fair
thing
to
do.
Can
people
live
with
that,
then
that
we
came
to
a
majority
vote
on
an
option
and
there
was
not
majority
support
for
looking
for
another
option.
So
all
right
may
not
have
been
everybody's
preferred
first
choice,
but
I
think
I
think
we
sussed
it
out.
A
Okay!
Well,
that
was
simple
all
right,
so
david
farnam
it
took
a
little
while,
but
do
you
have
what
you
need
to
proceed
to
the
next
steps.
Z
Z
You
can
yeah
all
right,
so
next
steps
april
5th
2022,
there
will
be
a
joint
public
hearing
with
city
council
and
the
county
commissioner
to
consider
adoption.
Adopting
council
will
consider
adopting
a
resolution
to
form
a
library
district
and
appointing
a
committee
of
two
from
your
from
council
to
appoint
the
district
initial
board
of
trustees
on
april
7th
2022.
Z
Z
If
a
district
is
formed
by
a
resolution,
may
3rd
you'll
come
back
with
the
ratification
of
the
board
of
trustees
may
5th.
The
county
commissioners
would
do
the
same.
At
that
point,
you
have
90
days
to
negotiate
an
iga
that
puts
us
into
august.
Sorry
for
a
final
approval
of
the
iga
county
commissioners
are
scheduled
to
do
so.
Z
At
the
same
time,
then,
in
october
of
2022,
the
council
meeting
approval
of
the
2023
budget
and
potentially
a
table
election,
then
in
2022's
I
believe,
given
your
current
decision,
that
leaves
the
option
open
to
the
board
of
trustees
to
decide
whether
or
not
they
go
for
an
election
or
not.
Z
Well,
on
behalf
of
the
team
chris
and
david
and
janet
and
jennifer,
thank
you
all
very
much.
Z
R
Z
No,
you
will
appoint
so
what
yeah
I'm
sorry.
So,
the
initial
appointment
of
the
trustees.
You
need
to
have
two
members
of
city
council
and
two
members
of
the
county,
commissioners,
and
you
will
need
to
identify
and
name
seven
trustees
that
will
be
approved,
ratified
in
may
by
two-thirds
majority
of
both
bodies.
R
Right
and
enough
thanks
david
and
then
the
other
question
is,
are
they
permitted
to
nominate
and
are
we
permitted
to
appoint
current
members
of
the
library
commission
because
because
if
obviously
the
library
district
goes
forward
in
the
and
the
tax
passes,
the
library
commission
may
become
moved
and
could
people
serve
in
dual
capacities?
As
a
library,
commissioner,
and
a
library
district
trustee.
AB
Well,
I
think
we
would
need
to
figure
out
what
their
role
would
be
and.
Z
Yeah
he's
just
saying
if
they
would,
if
it
would
be
the
same
four
or
five
members
of
the
library
commission
it'd
be
appointed
as
trustees.
Well,.
AB
R
Fine
and
I'm
not
implying
that
we
would
do
that.
I
just
I
wanted
to
know
if
there
was
a
rule
or
a
conflict
or
something
that
caused
us
to
to
not
consider
those
folks,
because
they're
good
folks
and
we've
already
pointed
them
to
the
library
commission.
But
if
the
lawyers
advise
against,
then
we
can
obviously
look
at
other
good
folks.
AB
Right
and-
and
I
I
do
think
that
we
should
look
into
it
further,
but
that
said,
you
know
if
they
resigned
their
library,
commission,
their
city
library,
commission,
post
in
favor
of
being
a
library
district
board
of
trustee.
You
would
remove
the
conflict
by
doing
that.
Great.
R
A
D
AB
We
don't
turn
anything
over
until
after
a
successful
tabor
election,
and
then
you
know
during
that
transition
year
the
city's
basically
responsible
for
providing
the
library
services.
So
we
would
probably
still
want
the
advice
of
the
commission
to
help
with
that.
D
A
Okay,
I
believe
we're
done
alicia.
Do
we
have
anything
else
to
talk
about?
Well,
let
me
just
say
before
you
go,
though,
just
enormous,
thank
you
to
david
fernand
for
all
your
extraordinary
work
on
presenting
this
to
us
as
well,
david
gear
for
your
legal
advice
and
janet
as
well,
and
just
everyone
who's
been
involved
in
this.
This
is
not
a
light,
lift
and
really
appreciate
your
dedication
to
the
question.
Z
F
A
All
right:
well,
I
want
to
thank
everybody,
for
it
was
a.
It
was
a
robust
discussion.
This
is
a
complicated
topic
and
obviously
we
all
care
very
much
about
our
library
and
want
the
best
future
for
it.
So
it's
worthy
of
taking
some
time
and
guess
what
we
get
to
do
more.
Our
next
meeting
on
april
5th
will
be
all
about
the
library,
so
we'll
get
a
chance
to
talk
through
it
in
more
detail.