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Good
evening,
everyone
and
welcome
to
the
july
14th
2022
meeting
with
boulder
city
council,
the
first
thursday
meeting
in
recorded
history.
So
thanks
everyone
for,
following
along
with
us
from
tuesdays
to
thursdays,
we're
going
to
start
off
with
a
couple
of
announcements
before
we
get
a
roll
call.
So
let
me
if
we
can
launch
into
those
please.
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This
is
about
zero
fare
for
better
air,
so
during
the
entire
month
of
august,
rtd
will
offer
zero
fares
across
its
system.
This
collaborative
statewide
initiative
was
made
possible
by
colorado
senate
bill
22180
in
partnership
with
the
colorado
energy
office,
and
it's
designed
to
reduce
ground
level
ozone
by
increasing
use
of
public
transit.
C
So
current
rtt
customers
will
also
benefit.
Is
you
will
not
have
to
use
or
purchase
fair
products
for
during
the
entire
month
of
august
during
colorado's
high
ozone
season?
So
by
taking
advantage
of
free
transit
in
august,
you
can
save
money
on
gas
and
parking,
avoid
the
frustration
of
driving
traffic,
help
improve
air
quality
by
reducing
single
occupant
vehicle
traffic
and
use
your
commute
to
catch
up
on
work,
listen
to
music
or
read
a
book
so
for
more
information.
Please
visit
our
tv
site
at
www,
denver.com
zerofair.
C
And
then
one
more
personal
announcement
here
I'll
say:
council
member
tara,
weiner,
her
daughter
is
in
labor
tonight,
congratulations
in
advance,
tara
to
you
and
your
family.
The
tara
will
need
to
pop
in
and
out
so
everyone
can
have
be
aware
of
that
and
tara
we're
all
sending
you
best
wishes.
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C
Great
and
I'll
just
actually
note
before
I
do
any
further.
This
is
a
special
meeting
tonight.
It's
not
one
of
our
regular
business
meetings,
so
we
are
not
holding
open
comment.
Anyone
was
wondering
about
that.
We
will
hold
open
comment
at
our
regular
business
meeting
next
week
now
on
the
consent
agenda,
any
questions
or
comments
from
any
council
members.
I
Yeah,
I
don't
have
it
in
front
of
me,
which
I'm
I'm
very
disorganized,
but
I
will
be
voting
no
on
the
library
district
aspect
of
the
consent
agenda.
C
Just
to
be
clear,
I
believe,
that's
item
280
is
that
is
that
right.
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Now
we
have
call-up
check-in.
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M
Sure-
and
I
know
that
we've
got
a
lot
of
things
to
discuss
today,
so
I
won't
talk
a
lot
except
that
I
really
wanted
to
highlight
all
the
work.
Our
finance
team
has
been
phenomenal
in
really
doing
so.
Much
work
this
and
the
budget
moving
forward,
and
I
just
appreciate
all
the
all
the
insight
they've
provided
I'll
ask
cara.
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
kick
that
off
or
if
we're
just
going
straight
to
mark
which
happy
to
do
as
well.
O
I
apologize,
I
was,
I
had
a
hard
time
getting
my
button
to
work,
but
I
apologize
that
I'll
do
a
quick
handoff,
because
I
know
time.
N
Thanks
carl
nuria
good
evening
council
good
to
be
with
you
tonight,
we're
excited
to
present
this
item:
we're
lifting
up
a
bunch
of
great
work
of
an
internal
staff
group
that
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
about.
We've
been
working
on
this
for
the
last
several
months
ever
since
the
community
entrusted
us
with
the
extension
of
the
community
culture
resilience
and
safety
tax.
If
you
give
me
a
sec,
I
will
begin
to
share
my
screen.
N
Q
Great
thanks
mark
hi
everyone,
my
name,
my
name
is
charlotte
husky,
I'm
a
principal
budget
analyst
with
a
budget
office
here
with
the
city
of
boulder
and
we're
excited
to
be
sharing
the
community
culture
resilience
and
safety
tax
grant
framework
with
you
tonight.
Q
Q
This
generated
approximately
27
million
in
revenue
over
the
three
years
and
funded
13
projects
with
the
first
cycle
of
the
attacks
funding,
a
mixture
of
both
city
and
community
non-profit
projects,
and
specifically
with
the
ccs1,
we
funded,
two
community
nonprofit
projects
for
ccs2
voters
approved
of
an
extension
for
four
years.
This
generated
approximately
20
42
million.
Excuse
me
over
the
four
years,
with
31
million
allocated
to
city
projects
and
7.9
million
for
seven
non-profit
projects.
Q
Q
Voters
also
approved
debt
authorization
for
up
to
110
million,
providing
us
more
flexibility
with
our
dollars
and
the
revenue
that
comes
in
suggested
projects.
City
projects
listed
on
the
ballot
included
a
list
of
projects.
This
is
an
example
here,
including
transportation,
maintenance
projects,
road
and
multi-modal
path,
projects
and
completing
fire
station
three
and
just
a
highlight
on
the
ballot
language
relating
to
the
non-profit
portion
of
the
tax.
Q
So
really
highlighting
here
and
that
we
formed
an
internal
steering
committee
to
after
the
renewal
of
the
tax
last
fall
and
built
upon
the
work
that
had
been
done
with
the
community
and
and
stopped
leading
up
to
the
renewal
and
so
leading
up
to
the
tax
tax
extension
renewal.
In
november,
we
performed
several
engagement
sessions
with
the
community
and
this
included.
Q
So
the
internal
process,
since
the
renewal
of
the
tax
in
last
november,
we
formed
an
internal
staff
team
consisting
of
the
equity
office,
housing
and
human
services,
arts
and
culture
office,
community
vitality
and
finance,
and
really
want
to
thank
those
members
that
participated
and
and
helping
us
draft
the
grant
structure
tonight.
So
I
just
want
to
thank
the
team
ana
sylvia.
Q
Joel
wagner
and
theresa
pinkel
for
their
their
time
to
helping
us
develop
this
grand
structure.
We've
formed
a
internal
staff
committee
and
started
looking
at
prior
processes,
the
feedback
that
we
heard
from
our
engagement
sessions
in
mid-2021,
leading
up
to
the
tax
extension
as
well
as
performed
additional
outreach.
We
facilitated
non-profit
focus
group
sessions
earlier
this
year
to
hear
from
the
nonprofit
stakeholders.
Q
This
input
was
instrumental
in
helping
us
drop
the
grant
structure
that
we
developed
and
presented
to
the
financial
strategy
committee
a
couple
weeks
ago
and
to
counsel
tonight
after
the
review
of
this
framework
that
we're
presenting,
we
will
then
go
back
and
develop
detailed
program,
design
and
implementation
of
the
criteria
of
the
framework
that
we're
presenting.
Q
The
internal
steering
committee,
our
internal
staff
steering
committee,
built
upon
the
community
and
council
criteria
of
goals
that
aligned
for
aligned
with
nonprofit
funding.
These
goals
were
developed,
leading
up
to
the
tax
extension
last
year,
and
so
our
committee
built
upon
these
goals,
specifically
highlighting
the
second
bullet
here
that
we
added
in
as
an
intended
outcome
of
this
funding,
with
the
intent
to
maintain
a
healthy,
stable
and
financially
sustainable
nonprofit
base
within
boulder
providing
services
to
the
community.
Q
We
hosted
a
handful
of
nonprofit
focus
group
sessions
and
this
really
informed
the
framework
that
we
developed
that
we'll
be
sharing
again
thanking
the
staff
from
our
internal
steering
committee,
the
equity
hhs
arts
and
culture
and
finance
staff
that
helped
to
host
these
and
invited
our
non-profit
community
members
to
participate
in
these
focus
group
sessions.
We
focused
on
small
and
medium
nonprofit
organizations
that
were
not
necessarily
engaged
in
previous
processes.
Q
We
hosted
two
sessions
with
over
15
representatives
from
12
organizations
across
the
community
that
participated
to
provide
feedback,
and
this
feedback
was
very
informative.
To
help
inform
this
structure
that
we're
presenting
to
highlight
some
of
the
themes
that
we
heard
across
the
focus
group
sessions,
we
can
characterize
them
really
in
three
themes,
so
the
first
theme
is
grant
accessibility
and
technical
assistance.
Q
The
second
is
collaboration
opportunities,
and
the
third
is
flexibility
and
value
under
grant
accessibility
and
technical
assistance.
Really.
The
highlight
that
we
heard
from
non-profit
stakeholders
is
that
there
are
many
barriers
to
obtaining
obtaining
grants
and
and
being
able
to
take
advantage
of
grant
opportunities,
and
so
they
shared
with
us
these.
These
barriers
included
anything
ranging
from
technology
capacity
resources,
and
so
this
was
something
that
was
preventing
them
from
being
able
to
obtain
those
grants
and
funding
opportunities
to
help
them
move
their
nonprofit
forward.
Q
We
heard
from
many
of
the
nonprofits
and
the
focus
groups
that
affordable
commercial
space
they
had
affordable
commercial
space
challenges
and,
as
well
as
highlighting
the
the
outreach
and
clarity
that's
needed
for
the
goals
of
the
program
and
again
just
stressing
the
technical
assistance
that
we
heard
during
those
focus
group
sessions
is
a
is
a
key
factor
for
success
within
their
nonprofit
organization.
Q
Q
The
third
theme
is
flexibility
and
value,
so
the
this
was
another
theme
that
we
heard
of
the
size
of
grants
could
be
scaled
to
the
organization's
size
size.
So
it
could
be.
Q
We
heard
a
range
of
size
of
grants
that
would
be
meaningful.
It
could
be
10
of
the
operating
budget.
It
could
be
50
000
to
250
000
were
the
range
of
dollar
amounts
that
that
might
be
meaningful
to
these
non-profit
organizations.
There
also.
We
also
heard
that
there
should
be
different
types
of
grants
available
and
flexibility
within
the
types
of
grants
to
invite
participation
across
many
different
types
of
the
organizations,
as
well
as
the
flexibility
to
explore
partnerships
and
other
funding
sources
as
well
to
support
the
grants
they're
seeking
so
now.
Q
I
think
I'll
hand
it
off
to
mark
to
continue
with
the
grant
framework.
N
Yeah
thanks
charlotte,
so
I'm
gonna
shift
gears
a
little
bit
and
walk
through
kind
of
slowly
the
different
grant
structures
and
then
we'll
pause
at
the
end
here
for
for
questions.
So
knowing
that
trying
a
little
bit
different
approach
here,
so
I'm
trying
to
go
through
this
intentionally
tonight.
N
So
just
starting
out
on
outlining
the
different
types,
there's
three
different
types
of
as
we've
mentioned,
the
the
first
is
related
to
capacity
building
planning
and
capital
investments.
So
this
will
be
a
more
intentional
approach
in
inviting
organizations
in
and
providing
wraparound
services
that
I'll
explain
in
more
detail.
N
The
second
is
more
of
a
direct
capital
investment,
so
this
would
operate
like
your
traditional
grants
that
you
think
of
like
the
previous
ccs
processes,
where
there
would
be
a
specific
project,
you'd
apply
for
the
grant
and
receive
that
funding
directly.
It's
a
little
bit
more
straightforward
and
then
type
three
related
to
that
last
piece.
That
charlotte
was
alluding
to
this.
This
community
facility
need
and
how
we
might
address
that
in
a
little
bit
a
little
bit
unique
type
of
way.
N
So
I'll
refer
to
this
table
a
few
times
as
financial
strategy
committee
members
that
have
heard
this
know,
but
I
think
it's
helpful
in
seeing
each
of
these
three
and
in
the
same
table,
and
so
I'll
show
this
at
the
beginning
of
the
explanation
here
and
at
the
end,
so
starting
with
type
one,
the
capacity
building,
planning
and
investments.
N
What
we're
envisioning
for
this
is
you'll
hear
me
refer
to
to
a
cohort,
essentially
we'll
be
inviting
applications
to
apply
to
the
program
in
this
type.
One.
N
Those
accepted
organizations
would
be
provided
that
technical
assistance
and
I'll
kind
of
demonstrate
what
that
process
might
look
like,
but
that
that
cycle
will
be
once
every
five
years
or
so
and
and
you'll
see
these
the
cycle
and
the
recommended
maximum
funding.
These
are
supposed
to
be
thresholds.
We
might
be
able
to
move
a
little
faster
in
a
grant
cycle
or
slower,
depending
on
the
scale
of
the
grants.
I'm
certainly
inviting
council
feedback
on
kind
of
that
recommended
max
level
as
well.
N
We
can
talk
about
whether
or
not
that's
a
firm
number
or
something
that
we
can
revisit
as
we
get
into
the
more
detailed
grant
criteria,
development
which
we'll
talk
about
a
little
bit
later
so
type.
One
is
the
cohort
model
inviting
organizations
in
providing
technical
assistance
and
eventually
connecting
to
capital
funding
type
2.
Is
that
more
traditional
direct
capital
investment?
So
this
would
be
for
specific
projects
identified
in
a
in
an
application
process
evaluated
and
then
direct
funds
go
out.
N
Imagining
that
we're
doing
this
every
couple
of
years
or
so
and
setting
aside
again
in
the
total
15
year
time
horizon
of
of
ccrs
about
eight
million
dollars
in
that
area,
and
then
lastly,
was
community
facilities
which
I'll
explain
in
a
little
bit
more
detail.
This
would
be
focused
on
the
feasibility
and
the
planning.
So
that's
why
it's
a
much
less
dollar
amount
than
we're
envisioning
out
of
the
ccrs
10
percent,
nonprofit,
that
if
there
is
an
identified
project
in
this
area,
we'd
be
connecting
to
potentially
other
other
capital
dollars.
N
So
that's
why
you
see
a
less
less
of
a
threshold
there,
so
that
doesn't
make
a
ton
of
sense.
That's
okay,
because
I'm
going
to
go
through
these
individually
now
with
a
bit
more
detail,
give
a
couple
examples
and
then
come
back
to
this
table
and
then
we'll
be
done
so
back
to
back
to
type
1
capacity,
building
planning
capital
investments.
N
So
this
is
intended
to
be
an
open,
competitive
process
for
program
participation
at
the
beginning.
So
we
would
be
doing
some
degree
of
outreach
to
make
sure
organizations
were
aware
of
this
opportunity
would
be
invited
to
apply.
There
would
be
a
competitive
process
to
be
entered
into
the
program
accepted
organizations
into
this
cohort
would
initially
receive
those
wrap
around
services,
such
as
technical
assistance
or
other
capacity
building
services.
So
some
examples
of
that
may
be
strategic
planning
business
planning
looking
at
organizational
development
board
development.
N
Some
of
those
items
that
put
organizations
in
a
really
good
space
to
be
able
to
identify
their
their
long-term,
affordable
commercial
space
needs
we're
anticipating
that
that
first
phase
would
include
some
some
dollars,
some
capacity
grants
as
we're
envisioning
again
just
recognizing
that
it's
really
hard
for
some
organizations
to
be
able
to
invest
a
ton
of
time
in
a
room
without
something
of
value,
and
so
certainly
there's
value
in
the
technical
assistance.
But
we
we
also
heard
that
feedback
throughout
the
focus
groups
that
grant
dollars
that
cash.
N
The
flexible
cash
is
important
even
early
in
a
process,
and
then
the
idea
is
to,
with
some
technical
assistance
partners,
be
able
to
assess
each
organization's
individual
needs
and
develop
an
approach
for
each,
and
that
might
mean
capital
planning
or
eventually
a
capital
investment.
So
this
would
be
really
intentional
that
we're
inviting
organizations
into
this
type
1
grant
they're
participating
through
this
process.
N
They're
gay
they're
gaining
value
from
the
process
itself,
but
then
they're
connected
to
the
right
plan
for
long-term
capital
investment
that
will
keep
them
in
boulder
right
from
from
a
space
perspective,
and
so
that
might
mean
capital
investment.
It
might
mean
partnering
with
a
group
of
of
organizations
on
on
a
capital
investment
or
there
might
be
another
solution.
N
N
This
number
is
an
estimate
we
don't
know
until
we
do
that
outreach
and
really
engage
with
organizations
that
may
be
interested
in
this
type
of
grant,
we're
thinking
somewhere
in
the
ballpark
of
10
to
15
some
a
number.
That's
that's
manageable-
that
we
can
make
sure
that
there's
value
in
each
for
each
organization,
but
also
cast
as
wide
a
net
as
possible.
N
And
then
again,
we'll
we'll
set
a
specific
criteria
after
we
hear
council
feedback
this
evening,
but
we're
imagining
that
this
is
generally
for
organizations
who
are
in
that
in
that
area
that
need
the
technical
or
capacity
assistance
to
define
their
needs.
Some
may
not
be
in
that
space
and
that's
why
we
have
these.
These
other
other
grant
types.
N
So,
just
to
outline
and
process,
I
know
everybody's
mind
works
different
ways,
so
this
would
be
an
example
of
how
this
process
works.
After
this
meeting,
we
would
develop
specific
grant
criteria.
Council
would
approve
that
criteria.
We
would
then
open
up
applications
in
a
parallel
way.
We
would
be
conducting
outreach
to
organizations
making
sure
that's
an
open,
competitive
process
to
be
in
that
in
the
grant
program
in
this
type,
one
grant
program
once
you're
in
that
cohort
would
be
assessed.
N
Of
for
technical
assistance
needs
connected
to
those
free
services
have
access
to
those
capacity
grants
through
that
process.
We
would
be
identifying
need
with
some
some
technical
assistance.
Third
party
party
partners
that
would
help
identify
the
right
plan
for
each
organization,
which
may
involve
some
capital
grants.
N
So
again,
the
importance
of
setting
aside
target
number
for
what
would
be
available
in
this
type
1
is
that
we
don't
want
organizations
to
come
in,
invest
their
time
and
energy
in
in
a
plan
for
for
long-term
capital
investment
and
then
not
be
able
to
to
provide
dollars
at
the
back
end
right.
So
that's
why
some
of
the
planning
grants
some
of
the
capacity
grants
may
be
smaller
at
the
beginning.
The
idea
is
to
get
these
organizations
prepared
for
for
a
larger
capital
investment
a
little
bit
later
into
the
process.
N
Okay,
shifting
gears
to
type
two
a
little
bit
more
straightforward,
competitive
grant
process
nonprofits
would
be
invited
to
apply
for
specific
projects
at
existing
facilities.
N
So
the
idea
is
that
and
again,
this
is
something
that
we
can
further
define
through
specific
criteria,
so
so
certainly
an
area
that
we're
inviting
feedback
on
we're
generally
thinking
that
these
would
fall
under
capital,
maintenance
or
enhancement
categories
that
are
well
defined,
so
one
example
may
be
you're
in
an
older
building.
You
need
to
replace
your
hvac
system.
N
You
don't
have
the
the
capital
outlay
to
do
that,
so
you
would
apply
for
that
specific
project.
Another
thought
is
to
prioritize
projects
that
would
help
decrease
overall
operating
costs.
So
while
these
dollars
aren't
for
operations
per
se,
they're
really
focused
on
kind
of
that
long-term
capital
investment.
How
could
how
could
we
support
projects
like
reinstalling
new,
enter
energy,
efficient
windows
to
lower
energy
bills
or
reduce
existing
data
on
capital
projects,
things
that
that
could
help
with
long-term
sustainability
for
the
organization?
N
And
then
this
was
specific
feedback
from
the
financial
strategy
committee
is
to
really
ensure
that
small
nonprofits
are
not
competing
against
large
nonprofits.
In
this
area
that
they're
really,
they
typically
will
be
looking
at
different
size
of
grants,
and
so
we
certainly
could
develop
a
different
process
based
on
the
size
of
the
organization
and
that
matches
some
of
the
feedback
that
we've
heard
in
our
various
different
engagements.
N
Again
I'll
go
quickly
because
I
think
this
is
pretty
straightforward,
but
we
developed
the
grant
criteria
after
this
that
will
be
approved
by
council,
then
we'll
open
for
applications
evaluate
those
applications
and
the
dollars
will
go
out
the
door
so
a
little
bit
more
straightforward
in
this.
In
this
type.
N
N
So
we
heard
this
strongly
in
our
most
recent
focus
groups
that
there
are
certain
needs
for
community
serving
services
or
activities
that
organizations
are
interested
in
working
together
to
to
try
and
move
forward
on.
So
again
any
an
example
that
came
up
was
a
teen
center.
Could
there
be
a
space
where
we're
providing
space
for
teens
at
night
or
on
the
weekends,
to
just
have
a
safe
place
to
go
and
hang
out,
and
maybe
there's
some
related
services,
some
non-profit
organizations
that
have
space
within
the
facility?
That's
an
interesting
idea.
N
How
would
might
we
move
forward
on
that?
Another
idea
that
came
up
was
a
specific
center
for
non-profits,
and
so
we
were
very
interested
in
trying
trying
to
address
these
ideas
in
a
way
through
this
through
this
ccrs.
N
So
what
we're
imagining
is
that
this
would
be
an
investment
in
a
partnership
with
city
staff,
acknowledging
that
some
of
these
ideas
may
not
be
fully
fleshed
out,
but
might
be
really
good
ideas
and
in
need
of
some
incubation,
and
so
with
that
we
would
provide
some
planning
or
feasibility
dollars
in
partnership
with
non-profits
for
a
particular
idea
and
and
begin
to
try
and
coalesce
around
an
idea
or
ideas
in
the
community
facility
realm
and
depending
on
the
type
of
facility
or
partnership
there.
N
N
But
essentially,
we
know
there's
some
really
good
ideas
out
there
and
there
are
true
needs
for
these
community
serving
facilities,
and
so
we
would
have
some
type
of
formal
or
informal
process
to
to
invite
those
ideas
in
to
further
develop
with
city
staff
so
that
we
can
coalesce
them
into
into
ideas
that
that
could
be
studied,
and
so
that's
kind
of
that
represented
by
that
one.
N
Two
and
three
as
we
get
to
the
we
get
to
the
point
where
we
have
a
handful
of
projects
that
could
receive
some
dollars
for
feasibility
or
capital
planning
that
could
be
through
the
city
depending
on
the
nonprofits.
It
could
be
to
the
nonprofits
to
do
the
feasibility
on
their
own.
That
could
be
very
flexible
and
then
again
we
go
through
that
process,
and
maybe
this
type
this
project
three
has
been
determined
to
be
not
only
feasible
as
a
true
community
need
it's
something
we
can
reasonably
develop.
N
N
It's
not
as
straightforward,
but
it
does
address
a
need
that
we
we
have
heard,
and
it
invites
that
partnership
opportunity
that
we
think
is
really
important
for
for
long-term
success,
to
to
identify
and
and
fill
some
of
these
gaps.
N
All
right
and
then
the
table
again,
so
you
can
see
the
three
different
types
here:
type
one:
that
capacity
building
into
capital
planning
that
cohort
model
a
little
bit
longer
grant
cycle
to
make
sure
that
organizations
are
ready
for
that
capital.
Investment
that
we're
picking
the
right
approach
based
on
the
need
type,
two
direct
capital
investment
again
that
more
straightforward.
We
have
a
need
here.
It
is
here's
the
amount
and
there's
the
grant
for
it,
and
then
this
more
of
a
feasibility
planning
type
of
grant
in
the
community
facility
realm
and
type
three.
N
And
so
just
a
couple,
quick
slides
here
we
had
a
really
good
discussion
with
financial
strategy
committee
about
what
we're
really
asking
council
to
do
in
this
grant
process.
N
We
know
that
you've
played
different
roles
in
different
grant
processes
at
different
times,
and
so
what
we're
asking
council
to
do
this
evening,
as
you
did
it
originally
is,
is
renew
the
is
recommend
goals
of
the
tax
renewal
that
was
informative
to
get
us
to
this
point
now,
you're
reviewing
the
potential
grant
structure
here
so
feedback
on
that
grant
structure
and
confirming
the
goals
of
the
program.
We'll
then
go
design
the
specific
approach
and
the
criteria
which
you
will
review
and
approve.
N
We
will
then
set
up
a
process,
and
hopefully,
some
additional
staff
assistance
to
help
us
with
evaluation
through
the
different
types
make
those
grant
determinations
and
notify
council
so
you're,
not
in
the
position
of
formally
approving
the
the
grants
but
you're
heavily
involved
in
this
process
of
of
creating
of
approving
the
structure
and
then
approving
of
the
of
the
specific
grant
criteria
before
the
the
program
launches.
N
All
right
recommended
next
steps,
and
then
I'm
done
is
first
upon
nod
here
this
evening.
We
need
some
help.
I
know
a
couple
of
you
have
pointed
out,
rightly
so-
that
how
could
staff
do
this
at
this
moment,
given
capacity
that
we've
been
talking
about,
we
would
hire
an
additional
staff
resource.
That
would
be.
Our
first
step
is
to
develop
a
job
description
and
recruit,
hopefully,
rather
quickly,
to
help
with
the
development
of
the
program.
N
We
would
move
in
a
similar
time
frame
to
identify
third-party
technical
assistance
partners
issue
some
type
of
request
for
qualifications
or
information,
so
that
we
have
potentially
multiple
third-party
non-profit
third-party
technical
assistance
partners
ready
to
go
when
we
are
ready
for
that
type,
one
grant.
N
We
would
design
specific
evaluation
criteria.
So,
given
that
we
have
a
little
bit
different
cadence
with
the
cycles,
our
goal
would
be
to
do
intentional
evaluation
of
each
type
so
that,
if
something
wasn't
working
as
intended,
we
could
change
and
we
could
bring
that
data
back
to
council
and
say
hey.
We
need
to
make
some
tweaks
around
this
type
3
or
this
type
1
in
these
ways,
and
so
that
would
be
really
intentional
and
something
we
would
bring
back
as
a
part
of
the
criteria
design,
as
I've
mentioned
several
times.
N
This
is
not
where
we're
recommending
specific
criteria,
we'll
hear
a
bit
of
feedback
tonight,
develop
that
specific
criteria
and
council
of
the
chance
to
prove
approve
of
that
criteria
for
each
grant
type
later
this
year,
and
again,
as
I
mentioned,
we'll
need
to
do
some
additional
outreach
to
organizations
that
could
help
inform
the
criteria
development.
It
can
also
help
gain
awareness
of
the
different
options
here.
N
All
right,
that
is
the
the
end
for
us.
We
do
have
three
questions
for
counsel.
First,
on
those
different
type
of
grants,
then,
on
the
framework
for
implementation
and
evaluation
and
then
last
on
the
timeline
and
that
role
of
council
and
improving
that
that
final
criteria
and
I
will
stop
sharing
and
yield
to
mayor
brockett.
C
Thanks
so
much
for
that
mark
appreciate
the
presentation,
all
the
information,
all
the
work
that
you
all
have
done
to
get
us
to
this
point.
Let's
start
with
questions
for
city
staff,
and
then
we
can
go
on
to
answering
the
questions
that
they
asked
us.
So
I've
got
two
so
far.
Bob
and
mark.
L
Thanks,
I
will
start
with
questions
and
I'll,
save
my
comments
or
or
answering
questions
to
later
two
questions
for,
first
of
all,
charlotte
mark
thanks.
So
much
for
that
great
presentation.
That
was
really
helpful.
L
Two
questions
for,
for
you
guys
one
is
it
sounded
to
me
mark
like
when
you
were
describing
type
one,
some
of
the
the
grant
recipients
in
that
cohort
could
potentially,
in
addition
to
receiving
advice
and
counsel
and
planning
assistance
in
the
wraparound
services
you
described,
could
also,
potentially,
if
that
planning
was
successful,
receive
some
some
capital
investment
from
the
city
fund
is
that
did
I
understand
that
correctly?
That
could
be
part
of
of
type
one.
L
Could
could
an
alternative
model
be
that
that
planning
and
assistance
and
wraparound
services,
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
be
type
one,
but
then
that
organization?
If,
if
that
planning
for
fruit-
and
it
looked
like
it-
was
going
to
be
a
project
that
was
worthwhile
to
pursue
that
then
could
apply
for
a
direct
grant
under
type
type
2.
L
I
get
the
efficiency
of
of
having
one
application,
but
but
some
I
have
to
believe
that
among
the
10
or
15
grant
recipients
per
cycle,
that
some
are
going
to
be
successful
and
some
are
not
going
to
be
successful.
In
other
words,
you
may
take
10
on
board
and
and
six
of
them
at
the
end
of
the
planning
cycle,
may
look
really
really
great
and
those
then
could
move
on
to
maybe
potentially
some
some
some
direct
capital
investments
and
others.
L
L
So
it
seems
like
it's
you're,
going
to
still
have
a
second
application
or
a
second
process
to
to
weed
out
those
that
are
are
worthy
of
of
a
capital,
investment,
direct
capital,
investment,
those
that
are
not-
and
it
seems
to
me,
since
the
the
type
twos
are
going
to
be
much
much
more
frequent
than
the
type
ones
those
that
are
successful
in
the
planning
process
and
type
one
could
simply
then
apply
for
a
type
two
grant.
It
is
that
that's
an
alternative
model
from
a
process
standpoint
is
that
correct.
N
Yeah,
I
and
I
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
that
let's
say
we
have
10
organizations
that
are
in
that
type
one.
I
I
think
it's
fair
that
three
or
four
may
may
be
identified
only
three
or
four
may
be
identified
as
appropriate
for
a
larger
capital
grant.
I
the
only
thing
I
would
add,
is
that
we're
not
envisioning
a
supplemental,
at
least
as
as
recommended
a
supplemental
application
process
once
you're
in
that
type,
one
it'll
kind
of
be
an
evaluation
process
right
and
then
connection
of
those
capital
grants.
L
Yeah
I'd
leave
that
I
leave
that
internal
process
to
you,
I'm
just
I'm
leading
up
to
what
ultimately
will
be
a
comment
that
I'll
offer
later
on
in
the
allocation
between
type
one
and
type.
Two,
because
again
I
get
the
efficiency
of
of
granting
someone
the
entry
into
type
one,
but
you're
not
going
to
know
at
that
point
whether
they're
going
to
be
going
to
qualify
for
a
direct.
I
might,
I
think
your
ratio
is
about
right.
L
You
know,
maybe
3
out
of
10
might
ultimately
qualify
for
that
and
whether
they
have
to
go
through
a
whole
process
for
type
2
or
or
automatically
roll
into
that.
I'm
I'm
trying
to
separate
the
allocations
as
between
planning
and
wraparound
services
from
direct
capital
investments
it
in
my
mind,
it
kind
of
doesn't
matter
whether
they
received
some
assistance
before
they
were
shovel
ready
or
they
just
showed
up
shovel
ready,
either
way
it's
a
direct
capital
investment.
L
So
I'll
leave
it
to
you
guys
to
kind
of
figure
out
the
transition
from
one
to
two.
But
I
kind
of
wanted
to
to
draw
that
line
as
opposed
to
those
were
already
and
those
who
weren't
ready,
but
I'll,
save
that
for
the
allocation.
L
The
second
of
the
two
questions
I
have
and
then
I'll
shut
up
and
let
others
ask
questions
and
I'll
have
comments
later
is,
I
think
I
saw
on
your
slides
under
type
two
mark
something
about
these
are
capital
investments,
but
only
for
nonprofits
with
existing
facilities,
and
so,
if
a
if
a
non-profit
wanted
to
build
a
new
facility
or
a
new
organization
showed
up
that
didn't
even
exist
before
that
wanted
to
create
a
new
facility,
they
would
not
qualify
for
type
2.
Did
I
understand
that
correct.
N
I'll
caveat
by
saying
that
we
know
we're
not
approving
specific
criteria
tonight,
so
we
would.
We
would
go
back
and
do
that.
I
think
we
were.
N
We
were
assuming
that
type
2
based
on
doing
a
cycle
every
couple
years,
that
the
scale
of
grants
wouldn't
be
significant
enough
for
kind
of
a
new
facility
right
now
that
might
be
different
if
we're
looking
at
small
versus
large
organizations
and
setting
grant
thresholds
a
bit
higher
than
than
we
were
imagining.
Certainly
that's
part
of
council's
feedback
this
evening
is:
should
we
invite
kind
of
those
larger
new
facility
type
of
grants
within
that
type?
Two
category.
N
I
think,
with
anything
that
the
larger
the
grant
we
give
out
the
we
might
not
be
able
to
do
a
cycle
as
often
so
that's
just
a
trade-off.
I
think
there's
pros
and
cons
of
both
I
think
you're
generally
seeing
our
approach
be,
let's
figure
out
a
way
to
try
to
spread
as
cast
of
wide
as
net
as
possible,
and
so,
while
we're
imagining
that
it's
not
for
for
new
facilities,
it's
for
investments
in
existing.
I
I
don't
think
we
were
trying
to
make
that
rule
this
evening.
L
Okay,
well,
that's
helpful.
Let's
not
make
that
rule
to
see.
Now
I
guess
I'd
suggest
I
mean
it
seems
to
me
in
the
2017
grant
cycle
which
were
all
capital
grants.
We
did
have
some
grants
that
were
in
the
range
of
of
five
figures
and
six
figures.
I
think
we
had
one
grant
with
75
000
and
a
couple
others
that
were
in
the
low
hundreds
of
thousands.
So
you
know
I
I
agree.
I
get
the
fact
that
in
the
first
cycle
we
had
two
four
million
dollar
grants
I
get.
L
L
But
you
know
for
some
of
these
organizations:
that's
that's
an
amount
that
makes
a
difference,
especially
if
it's
on
a
matching
basis,
because
you
know
having
been
on
the
receiving
end
of
one
of
these
grants
for
an
organization
I
will
tell
you,
the
power
of
matching
is
huge.
Not
only
is
it
the
dollars
that
you
receive
directly
from
the
city,
it's
the
ability
to
go
out
to
donors
and
say:
hey,
listen,
your
your
dollar
donation
turns
into
two
dollars
and
that
really
accelerates
fundraising.
L
So
I
wouldn't
underestimate
the
value
of
a
direct
grant.
Even
if
it's
even
if
it's
a
relatively
small
one,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
millions,
it
could
be
hundreds
of
thousands.
L
I
Yeah
my
first
question
mark
is:
I'm
I'm
a
little
vague
on
the
concept
of
capacity
building.
Can
you
can
you
give
me
a
more
concrete
definition
of
what's
entailed
by
capacity
building
as
opposed
to
a
capital
investment.
N
Yeah,
it's
a
good
question.
I
I'll
give
an
example
as
what
we
heard
from
a
few
of
the
nonprofits
within
our
focus
groups
is
that
you
know
we're
so
busy
providing
direct
services
that
we
haven't
even
thought
about
what
we
do
in
a
few
years
when
our
lease
ends.
So
you
know
I
need
somebody
at
the
front
desk.
I
can't
participate
in
a
grant
planning
process
and
so
the
capacity
building
in
that
case
might
be.
You
know,
okay,
let's
provide
you
a
capacity
grant
at
the
beginning.
N
You
could
get
some
temporary
help
to
bring
on
a
staff
person
to
help
cover
the
hours
that
you
were
worried
about
you,
as
the
executive
director,
can
come
into
these
technical
assistance
sessions
which
might
be
related
to
the
the
facility
planning.
So
what
are
your
space
needs
in
the
long
term?
What
types
of
services
do
you
provide?
Are
you
public
facing?
Do
you
need
office
space?
Do
you
need
something
larger
and
begin
to
envision
how
much
that
costs
when
the
lease
ends?
N
What's
your
financing
structure,
and,
and
so
you
know
over
a
period
of
time
and
working
with
working
with
some
partner,
they're
able
to
develop
a
longer
term
strategy
for
for
their
space
needs
and
so
that
that
first
part
of
planning
out
the
capital
needs
providing
help
to
to
be
able
to
free
up
time
for
some
of
these
organizations
to
be
able
to
participate
in
that
planning
process.
That's
what
we
mean
by
capacity
building.
I
Well,
it
would
actually
that
would
seem
to
me
to
argue
a
little
bit
for
bob's
comment
that
you
know
from
granting
a
bit
of
financial
relief
so
that
they
can
participate
in
the
process
that
then
they
ought
to
be
competing
for
grants
under
stage
two.
I
would
call
it
or
category
two.
I
assume
we
don't
to
spend
10
million
dollars
just
on
sort
of
rent
relief
and
and
and
staffing.
N
You
you
are
correct
about
that.
I,
what
we
were
envisioning
was
that
we
would
not
want
to
make
organizations
that
are
going
through
that
capacity
building
process,
developing
those
strategies
to
not
have
access
to
the
capital
that
they
need.
If
it's
deemed
that
they,
they
really
need
that
capital
investment.
So
you
know
whether
it's
in
a
different
type
or
not.
I
think
our
intention
was
just
to
not
create
an
additional
barrier.
I
My
next
question
is
we're
talking
about
hiring
a
program
manager
and
hiring
third-party
consultants.
Do
we
have
a
a
sense
of
the
total
expenditure
that
we're
likely
to
incur
for
those
categories
over
15
years?
My
concern
is,
I
really
don't
want
to
take
3
million
out
of
an
18
million
revenue
source
and
apply
it
specifically
to
our
overhead
or
third-party
consultants.
That's
money,
it
seems
to
me
we
ought
to
be
providing
to
groups.
N
Yeah,
it's
a
fair
question.
I
I
think
bringing
on
a
program
manager
will
help
right.
It'll
help
get
the
dollars
out
faster
to
organizations.
I
think
we
need
that
additional
capacity.
I
also
think
we
need
the
technical
assistance
partners,
while
city
staff
can
do
a
lot
to
make
sure
that
we're
keeping
those
costs
down.
We
have
expertise
in
housing
and
human
services
and
arts
and
culture,
community
community
vitality
as
a
whole,
our
equity
office
and
providing
some
of
that
support.
N
There's
just
certain
areas
that
we're
not
experts
on,
and
so
I
think
we
can
do
an
intentional
job
of
making
sure
we're
limiting
those
those
third-party
costs
and,
as
a
part
of
the
specific
grant
criteria.
Before
we
commit
to
any
technical
assistance
structure,
we
could
certainly
do
some
more
sophisticated
projections
and
capping
certain
third-party
fees
that
we
would
we
would
be
looking
at.
So
I
hear
the
concern
there
in
our
intent
is
not
to
not
to
spend
down
the
available
dollars
on
overhead,
but.
A
I
Okay
and
my
last
question,
is
we
speak
about
the
leveraging
of
public
investment
dollars?
How
is
that
going
to
work,
and
is
it
going
to
be
a
requirement
of
for
applicants?
I
I'd
like
to
see
leveraging
leveraging
is
good,
whether
it's
matching
funds
that
sort
of
thing
we
want
to
get
the
biggest
bang
for
our
buck.
So
how
do
you
incorporate
or
make
a
requirement
for
leveraging
public
investment.
N
Yeah
a
good
point
and
something
that
we've
talked
about
a
little
bit
with
the
financial
strategy
committee.
I
would
say
that
the
reason
why
we
we
don't
have
a
specific
recommendation
in
here
is
because
we've
heard
it
on
both
sides
in
terms
of
of
matching
and
leveraging
dollars
on
one
hand,
it's
I
think
it
is
important
to
for
for
organizations
to
have
some
skin
in
the
game
and
so
and
also
they're
they're,
as
bob
mentioned,
there's
some
power
in
having
city
dollars
behind
an
effort
to
to
raise
additional
dollars.
N
On
the
other
hand,
we've
also
heard
that
it
can
be
a
barrier
for
either
deciding
to
apply
or
even
receiving
a
grant,
as
as
we
have
seen
in
the
past
and
not
being
able
to
meet
those
matching
requirements,
and
so
I
do
think,
there's
probably
a
sweet
spot.
I
don't.
I
don't
know
what
that
is
this
evening,
but
something
we
could
contemplate
with
the
specific
criteria:
development,
okay,.
R
Thanks
aaron
and
thank
you
to
the
team
for
putting
for
taking
a
look
at
how
we
can
help
offer
a
wider
variety
of
organizations
with
the
that
are
doing
great
work
in
our
community
to
the
with
the
chance
to
go
after
these
grants.
I
think
that's
really
important
work
that
we're
engaging
in
as
mentioned.
R
This
is
one
of
the
main
ways
we
can
fund
large
transformational
projects,
and
so
I
wanted
to
check
in
and
see
have
we
done
outreach
to
the
larger
organizations
in
town
to
kind
of
understand
what
their
15-year
plans
are?
Just
because
15
years
is
a
long
time
to
be.
You
know
talking
about
dividing
up
this
money
in
a
particular
way,
and
it
would
be
good
to
know
not
just
what
the
smaller
and
mid-sized
non-profits
in
our
community
are
looking
at,
but
sort
of
the
long-range
plans
for
the
whole
variety
of
non-profits
in
our
community.
N
Yeah
thanks
lauren,
it's
a
good
question.
So
there
were,
there
were
two
different
main
engagement
windows.
If
you
will,
there
was
the
first
one,
which
was
in
the
lead-up
to
the
renewal
of
the
tax
itself,
so
that
was
back
in
in
2021
that
focused
on
both
organizations
that
didn't
receive
see
previous
ccs
funding
and
those
that
did
those
were
not
solely,
but
predominantly
some
of
those
medium
or
larger
organizations.
Within
that
engagement
process.
N
N
We
looked
at
the
kind
of
the
engagement
that
we've
done
today
and
realized
that
we
hadn't
reached
those
small
and
and
those
smaller
nonprofits,
and
so
that's
why
we
did
some
intentional
outreach
in
the
march
of
this
year
window,
so
that
was
kind
of
our
second
engagement
window
and
so
both
of
that
both
of
those
windows.
But
the
feedback
received
in
those
windows
were
used
to
develop
the
framework.
This
evening,
so
we
didn't
get
to
everybody
and
we
didn't
get
to
everybody
this
year.
N
We
got
to
some
folks
last
year
and
so
again,
not
not
perfect,
but
we
think
it's
a
pretty
good
representation
of
of
where
the
nonprofit
community
as
a
whole
is
at.
R
Thank
you.
I
was
also
wondering
how
did
we
come
up
with
the
amount
of
money
in
each
category
and
what
was
that
sort
of
suggestion
that
we
see
laid
out
here
based
on.
N
Yeah,
I
can
tell
you
it's
not
a
scientific
formula
behind
those
those
numbers
I
the
intent,
is
that
we
have
adequate
capital
dollars
available
for
type
one
organizations
that
go
through
the
whole
process.
We
felt
it
was
really
important.
Charlotte
talked
about
the
the
value
of
their
time,
the
value
that
there's
value
of
these
grants
at
the
end.
N
So
we
really
didn't
want
to
pull
organizations
through
a
planning
process
and
have
there
not
be
capital
dollars
at
the
end,
if
it's
deemed
appropriate,
I'm
not
sure
10
million
8
million
500
000
are
the
right
thresholds.
We
were
more
looking
at
that
as
giving
some
guidance
as
to
over
the
15-year
time
horizon
how
much
dollars
may
be
available
in
those
areas.
N
We
could
certainly
take
an
approach
where
we're
not
assigning
dollars
per
se,
we're
evaluating
the
merits
of
each
project
and
each
type
and
kind
of
doing
some
evaluation
as
we
go
through
the
program.
So
I
think
in
general,
there's
just
some
some
goals
that
we
were
trying
to
establish
within
those
targets,
one
being
the
availability
for
those
type,
one,
two
kind
of
establishing
that
we
wouldn't
be
making
those
three
four
million
dollar
grants
and
type
two.
N
That
would
be
more
of
that
250
to
a
million
dollar
range
in
type
two,
and
that
type
three
we're
really
not
talking
about
capital
investment,
we're
talking
about
planning
and
identifying
other
other
other
financing
strategies.
So
that's
kind
of
the
general
approach
and
the
numbers
are
less
important
when
you
think
about
it.
That
way,.
S
Thanks
aaron
and
mark
and
charlotte
thanks
for
the
thoughtfulness
to
come
up
with
this
I
mean
this
is
this
is
hard
it's
hard
work
to
come
out
with
the
money
you
have
and
come
up
with
these
criteria
and
find
ways
to
meet
the
needs
at
a
different
levels
for
for
nonprofits.
So
I
appreciate
that
a
lot
bob
and
lauren
kind
of
touched
on
a
few
of
my
questions,
so
thanks
to
them
for
saving
me
some
oxygen.
One
question
I
have
is
about
flexibility
about
beyond
sort
of
the
10
million.
S
That's
there
in
tier
one
just
because
we
had
a
long
runway
of
15
years,
I'm
curious
about.
If
we
do
identify
something
really
transformative,
do
we
have
the
ability
to
pivot
and
really
make
that
change,
because
I'd
hate
to
see
something
come
across
the
table
and
say
no
well,
we
anchored
that
down.
You
know
10
years
ago,
so
you
know
sorry,
so
I
I
want
to
know.
S
Do
we
have
flexibility
and
really
sort
of
as
caveat
to
that
at
what
point
do
we
check
in
on
maybe
perhaps
recalibrating
this
as
as
needs,
maybe
change
or,
as
we
see
successes
or
failures
of
the
program,
and
so
I
was
kind
of
wondering
on
what
that
cadence
is
and
what
chance
we
have
to
at
least
invite
conversation
about
going
beyond
the
10
million
in
tier
one.
Should
we
find
something
that's
just
irresistible.
N
Yeah,
it's
a
really
good
question.
We
do
plan
to
build
in
that
intentional
evaluation
of
each
type,
and
you
know
with
trying
something
new
trying
to
be
innovative.
N
I
think
it's
important
to
to
know
that
not
everything
we're
gonna
get
right,
100
of
the
time,
and
so,
if
we
are
in
a
situation-
and
this
would
be
our
intent
with
with
evaluation
design
is,
if
we
realize
we've
got
20
applications
for
type
2
and
we're
really
not
seeing
a
huge
number
of
smaller
non-profits
take
advantage
of
type
1,
even
after
with
outreach.
Well,
it
might
be
a
reason
to
recalibrate
how
you
know
the
frequency
of
type
2.
N
Then
the
dollar
amount
of
type
2
that
that
would
certainly
be
valid
other
way
around.
If
we're
seeing
a
ton
of
interest
in
in
type
1
one
we,
we
could
look
at
different
thresholds
or
the
frequency
of
those
cohorts,
so
I
think
you're
right.
It's
really
important.
I
think
we
can
bring
that
back
more
intentionally
in
the
specific
criteria
in
outlining.
What
are
those
future
touch
points
with
council?
How
would
we
bring
you
the
the
evaluation?
N
D
T
Also,
thank
you
for
your
thoughtfulness
and
all
your
work
on
this
and
I'm
gonna
apologize
in
advance
for
not
sending
this
question
earlier,
because
I
think
it
is
likely
something
you
may
need
to
look
up,
and
so
it's
okay,
if
you
don't
have
an
answer,
can
you
speak
just
even
generally
to
the
characteristics
of
nonprofits
that
received
funding
in
previous
cycles?
You
know:
were
they
big?
Are
they
small?
T
Were
they
medium
and
just
you
know
speak
a
little
bit
to
how
you
see
that
changing
at
all
in
this
next
version,
in
terms
of
which
nonprofits
are
getting
support,.
N
Yeah,
it's
a
good
question
and
I'll
start,
and
if
one
of
my
colleagues
wants
to
kick
me
virtually
if
I'm
I'm
wrong
here,
I
it
was
a
mixture,
I
think
predominantly
they
they
tended
to
be
medium
or
larger
organizations
that
received
grants
because
of
the
scale
of
the
grants
and
and
how
we
developed
those
in
previous
iterations.
N
There
were
only,
I
believe,
nine
organizations
that
received
grant
funding
between
the
two
cycles
in
in
one
and
one
and
two
and
the
sizes
varied.
There
were
some
as
small,
they
think,
as
maybe
250
500
000,
and
then
there
were
a
number
of
larger
grants
in
the
million
dollar
range
or
or
more
so
I
I
believe
there
in
the
iterations.
There
are
a
couple
large
grants
in
ccs1
in
the
millions
and
then
and
two.
I
think
the
intent
was
to
spread
that
out
a
bit
more.
N
So
I
think
that
the
number
was
a
bit
higher.
If
I'm
remembering
that
correctly,
so
we
we
started
to
spread
the
net
a
bit,
but
again
they
were
typically
larger,
larger
awards.
N
C
Looks
like
that's
all
the
questions.
I
had
all
my
questions
answered
by
other
people.
So
thanks
everybody
thanks
for
all
those
answers
mark
and
charlotte.
Thank
you
for
your
role
in
the
presentation
as
well.
It's
very
informative.
Okay,
so
we
got
three
questions
to
answer.
I'm
going
to
read
them
real,
quick
and
then
we
can
go
through
them
one
by
one,
so
they
are
does
counsel
support.
The
three
different
types
of
grants,
as
proposed
discounts,
will
support
the
proposed
framework
for
program
implementation
evaluation.
C
L
Okay,
I
want
to
give
you
all
my
comments.
I
don't
know
which
questions
they
answer.
First
of
all,
I
would
when
we
get
to
criteria,
I
would
suggest
staff
not
limit
these
to
existing
facilities,
or
maybe
existing
organizations
that
want
to
move
into
new
facilities,
and
there
may
be
new
organizations
that
don't
exist
today
may
want
to
create
facilities,
so
I
would
not
limit
it
to
things
like
elevators
and
hvac
existing
facilities.
I
know
that
new
facilities
can
be
more
expensive,
but
I
wouldn't
foreclose
those
necessarily.
L
And
wrap
around
services
in
type
one
from
the
actual
grants
and
type
two,
and
that
could
include
both
those
people
who
are
shovel
ready
right
away
versus
those
people
who
go
through
type
ones.
I
would
really
break
that
up
and
really
make
too
limited
to
grant
making
for
for
capital,
regardless
of
whether
they
went
through
the
type
one
planning
or
they
came
to
already
planned,
and
for
that
reason
my
final
comment
is.
I
would
actually
shift
the
allocations
a
bit.
L
I
think
it's
too
heavy
on
type
one
and
two
light
on
type
two,
as
lauren
indicated,
you
know,
there's
there's
a
there's
a
chance
that
there
could
be
some
transformative
or
transformational
proposals
make
to
us
and-
and
if
all
we
have
available
to
us
is-
is
eight
million
dollars
over
the
next
15
years.
That's
not
very
much
money.
L
Conversely,
I
think
if,
if
we
limit
type
one
to
capacity
planning
and
and
organization
those
wraparound
services,
I
don't
think
we
need
10
million
dollars,
and
I
get
the
fact
that
you
can
bring
this
back
to
future
councils
and
rebalances.
But
but
let's
try
to
get
it
right,
the
first
time,
or
at
least
as
right
as
we
can
get
it
now
in
2022.,
so
I'll
just
throw
some
numbers
out
there
and
people
can
agree
or
disagree.
L
I
would
actually
take
the
type
one
down
from
10
million
dollars
to
down
in
the
in
the
range
of
four
to
six
million
dollars,
just
picking
numbers
out
there,
and
I
would
actually
do
a
range
rather
than
being
precise
on
numbers.
I
would
give
future
councils
and
future
staff
a
little
bit
more
flexibility.
So
I
would
take
it
from
ten
down
to
four
to
six
and
limit
it
to
that
planning
and
wrap
around
services,
and
then
I
would
transfer
that
money
and
type
two
from
eight
million
I'd.
L
D
Thanks
bob
rachel
then
mark
no
calling
myself.
J
J
That
just
seems
like
a
mismatch
and
and
maybe
a
little
bit
unfair-
that
if
you
get
into
the
program,
you
also
then
have
access
to
additional
funds
that
other
people
can't
really
vie
for,
if
I'm
understanding
it
correctly
and
if
I'm
not,
please,
please
do
correct
me,
so
I
would
agree
with
shifting
it.
J
And
I
don't
know
you
know
I
I
don't
know
how
much
thought
was
given
into
or
put
into
how
to
structure
the
program,
but
it
seems
like
it
might
be
more
feasible
for
us
to
just
have
money
set
aside
to
pay
a
third
party
to
help
shepherd
people
through
the
process
rather
than
us
trying
to
take
that
on
ourselves.
J
So
I
might
take
that
amount
way,
low
and
outsource
it,
and
I
will
just
say
that
my
my
10
year
on
council
has
been
basically
only
during
pandemic.
So
all
I
have
seen
is
that
we
are,
you
know
we
always
hear
we're
short
staff.
We
can't
add
anything
we're
just
so
not
nimble
that
it's.
J
I
don't
know
that
this
is
the
right
time,
although
I
totally
appreciate
the
the
creativity
and
and
and
what
we're
trying
to
do
here
it.
It
just
seems
like
we're
always
kind
of
struggling.
Somebody
complained
to
me
this
week
that
it
was
taking
over
a
year
to
get
a
permit
approved.
You
know
we're
we're
way
behind
where
we
want
to
be
on
the
hill
and
stuff.
So,
like
us,
picking
up
a
whole
nother
program
and
using
this
you
know
tax
money
to
do
that.
J
J
C
Rachel
mark
myself,
jeannie
lauren.
I
I
want
to
start
with
the
lauren's
comment.
I
think
it
is
very
important-
and
I
agree
with
her-
that
we
have
some
capability
of
entering
into
a
transformative
project
somewhere
during
this
15
years
and
whether
that's
help
for
bmoca,
whether
that's
a
performance
facility
that
we
we
badly
need,
but
I
think
I
think
we're
missing
an
opportunity
if
we
don't
leave
some
room
for
that
sort
of
thing.
I
know
we
want
to
be
more
aggressive
in
in
funding
smaller
groups.
I
I
think
we
can
do
that,
but
we
still
need
to
leave
something
out
there
for
a
special
transformative
project
and
so
yeah.
I
very
much
agree
with
lauren's
comment
on
that.
I
agree
with
bob.
I
might
even
take
that
category,
one
down
to
three
million
dollars.
I
just
the
concept
of
eating
up
too
much
of
this
tax
money
with
overhead
and
consultants
troubles
me.
I
This
is
money
that
I
want
to
see
going
to
organizations
more
than
consultants,
and
as
rachel
mentioned,
there
are
some
groups
in
town
that
for
little
cost
will
help
non-profits
strategize
and
make
applications,
and
I
think
we
should
be
leaning
on
that
and
if
we're
not
going
to
go
in
that
direction,
I'd
like
to
have
a
really
precise
budget
as
to
how
much
we
want
to
spend
of
this
18.5
million
dollars
on
that
sort
of
thing,
because
to
me
it's
not
as
productive
as
getting
money
in
the
hands
of
the
groups.
I
I'm
also
a
little
concerned
that
that,
because
I
understand
it-
and
I
only
heard
this
this
afternoon-
that
in
terms
of
the
the
focus
groups,
we
looked
only
at
small
and
medium-sized
arts
organizations
and
the
larger
ones
were
not
even
in
the
room,
and
I
I
don't
know
why
that
should
be.
They
ought
to
have
their
say
in
their
voice
as
well.
I
Even
if
we
don't
look
to
them
to
dominate
the
allocation
of
money
that
there
certainly
should
have
been
an
opportunity
for
them
to
express
their
views,
and
I
think
we
kind
of
missed
an
opportunity
there
and
I
think
that's
most
of
what
I've
got.
I
would,
I
would
probably
take
tier
one
down
to
three
million
dollars
and
we
can
always
adjust
by
the
way
if
we
have
50
groups
applying,
and
we
need
to
put
another
500
thousand
dollars
into
that
category.
I
I
would
like
to
see
the
bulk
of
the
money
in
that
category,
because
that's
what
people
voted
for.
This
was
an
infrastructure
tax
and
people
assumed
it
was
an
infrastructure
tax
and
I
think
we
ought
to
be
focusing
on
the
infrastructure
needs
of
our
not-for-profit
sector,
and
that's
where
I
want
to
see
that
the
bulk
of
the
money
go
and
that's
it.
Thank
you
very
much.
C
Thanks
mark
I'll
go
ahead
and
call
on
myself
after
which
will
be
genie,
lauren,
nicole
and
tara
and
I'll
say
again.
Thank
you
for
all
your
hard
work
on
this,
and
also
for
getting
maya
and
marx
and
matt's
questions
answered
ahead
of
time.
I
think
what
bob
said
I
think
agreed
with
all
of
it.
I
think
that
was
that
was
all
on
target
in
terms
of
his
comments.
I
will
say,
though,
that
maybe
more
with
mark's
numbers,
like
maybe
closer
to
that
3
million.
C
But
although
I
wouldn't
pick
a
number,
I
think
the
idea
of
a
range
is
is
good,
like
let's
get
this
going
and
see
how
things
are
working
out
and
and
without
you
know,
making
a
firm
commitment
to
exactly
a
precise
number
of
millions
and
and
also
just
to
keep
out
there
that,
like
lauren,
said
that
possibility
of
transformative
investments,
you
know
that
they
don't
have
to
run
into
the
seven
figures
to
be
transformative
and
even
whether
they're
in
existing
or
new
facilities,
and
then
you
know
rachel
made
a
good
point
that
I've
been
thinking
about
as
well
about
staff
capacity.
C
So
I
really
like
the
idea
of
assisting
non-profits.
You
know
in
you
know,
helping
them
figure
out
what
their
next
steps
are,
what
their
needs
are
and
getting
them
some
hand-holding
to
the
point
where
they
can
apply
for
for
a
capital
grant
but
agree
with
the
comments
that
have
been
said
about.
Let's
look
for
some
third
parties
and
so
be
careful
about
over
committing
staff
time.
C
I
know
we're
possibly
hiring
a
new
person,
but
also
from
my
earlier
questions
heard
it
might
involve
a
number
of
other
staff
members
across
the
organization
in
terms
of
this
capacity
building.
C
So
I
would
be
just
add
a
real
big
caution
about
not
over
committing
the
workload
of
city
staff,
given
how
we're
struggling
with
that
right
now,
but
looking
forward
to
the
next
steps
here
and-
and
I
think,
we're
kind
of
grouping
our
comments,
I'll
just
say,
I
think
I
really
like
how
you're
talking
about
the
council
setting
up
the
criteria
but
not
being
involved
in
the
awarding
of
the
grant
should
be
proven
we
grant.
So
I
thought
that
was
fun
all
right,
that's
it
for
me.
You
got
junie
lauren,
nicole,
tara,.
G
Thank
you
very
much
erin.
I
think
I'm
in
the
minority,
after
everything
that
I've
just
heard
from
all
of
you,
I
think
some
good
points
were
made,
but
nonetheless,
I
believe
type
1
is
necessary.
It's
important
we've
talked
about
this
on
council.
We've
talked
about
this
at
the
financial
strategy
committee
or
hope,
or
at
least
what
or
values
are,
is
to
empower
small,
non-profit
or
grant
seekers,
and
I
believe
type
one
does
that
it
builds
the
capacity
planning
and
capital
investment,
and
it
says,
instead
of
of
application
for
a
direct
grant.
G
G
It
brings
players
as
part
of
the
process
that
wouldn't
be
part
of
the
process,
and
also
I
just
don't
think
that
inclusion
diversity
that
we
talk
about
on
council
could
be
passed
on
or
left
to
a
third
party.
That's
that's
just
not
the
way.
I
believe
that
we
should,
you
know,
do
dual
work
council,
so
I
would
just
agree
to
the
way
that
staff
has
planned
it
and
presented
to
us
and,
if
council
decide
ultimately
to
make
any
change,
I
don't
think
it
should
happen
right
now.
G
I
think
it
should
go
back
to
the
financial
strategy
committee
for
us
to
really
look
at
the
benefit
and
the
drawback,
because
three
million
dollars
or
four
million
dollars.
What
does
that
really
mean?
What
is
the
impact?
What
will
be
the
impact
on
these
smaller?
You
know
nonprofits
that
we
want
to
help.
We
want
to
bring
them
as
players
into
that
ecosystem
as
part
of
this
process.
R
Thanks,
so
I
think
I
really
appreciate
the
three
different
kinds
of
grants
that
you've
come
up
with.
I
think
those
are
really
well
thought
out
and
I
think
I
just
feel
uncomfortable
with
committing
right
now
to
how
those
are
going
to
play
out
over
the
next
15
years.
R
I
would
support
that
sort
of
the
type
of
allocation
that
you
have
set
up
right
now,
maybe
for
the
first
year
or
the
first
set
of
allocations,
so
that
you're
kind
of
running
that
program,
one
like
a
pilot
program
and
then,
as
that
progresses
we
could
evaluate
and
see.
If
that's
how
we
want
to
continue.
R
R
You
know
what
kinds
of
transformation
we'll
see
out
of
type
one
grant
funding,
and
so
I
think-
or
at
least
I
don't-
maybe
maybe
you
guys
are
all
very
aware
of
that-
but
so
I'd
like
to
see
maybe
more
of
a
pilot
project,
style
setup
and
then
a
value
around
another
round
of
evaluation
to
determine
sort
of
the
long-term
allocation
and
then
in
terms
of
implementation
and
evaluation.
I
really
appreciated
the
points
that
you
had
in
there.
R
R
And
yeah,
and
if
we're
gonna
run
a
pilot
round,
I
would
support
trying
to
look
at
non-profits
that
we
could
use
to
help
provide
kind
of
that
incubator
as
opposed
to
hiring
staff
long
term.
If
we
don't
know
exactly
what
the
five-year
layout
is
or
that
kind
of
thing
for
this
program,.
T
Thank
you.
I
think
I
most
closely
align
with
juni
on
this
topic.
I
just
really
appreciate
all
the
thought
and
intention
that
staff
have
put
into
this
engaging
with
groups
that
didn't
participate
in
previous
cycles.
I
really
appreciate
the
focus
on
flexibility
in
2022.
T
Flexibility
seems
to
be
key
for
everything
right
now,
and
I
appreciate
that
there
are
some
evaluation
points
put
in
to
see
whether
or
not
this
has
happened,
having
the
effects
that
we
expected
to,
and
I
really
like
the
idea
of
giving
more
opportunities
to
groups
that
haven't
been
able
to
take
advantage
of
previous
cycles,
for
whatever
reason
I
am
in
favor
of
the
idea
of
having
a
city
staff
person
in
charge
of
this,
I
think,
especially
if
we're
looking
at
working
with
smaller
nonprofits
and
engaging
with
them.
T
There
is
a
component
of
relationship
building
that
is
really
critical
for
some
of
these
smaller
nonprofits
and
having
someone
within
the
city
feels
like
a
really
important
role
to
me
rather
than
a
consultant
who
may
change,
may
just
be
there
for
a
little
while,
but
to
have
a
long,
lasting
relationship
that
these
groups
can
build
to
me.
That's
part
of
the
kind
of
assistance
and
support
that
we're
giving
to
the
nonprofits
that
are
applying.
So
I
think
I
may
have
touched
on
some
of
the
other
questions
there,
but
I
am
a
yes
to
these.
B
B
You
guys
know
me,
I
don't
usually
think
big,
you
know
actually,
but
this
is
our
opportunity
to
do
that,
and
so
I
think,
in
my
opinion,
with
the
astronomical
construction
costs
and
building
costs
and
materials
costs
that
I
would
like
to
see
most
of
this
even
for
the
smaller
non-profits
to
be
used
for
capital
projects
and
for
bigger
projects
like
even
within
the
smaller.
B
If
we
could
think
big
and
if
we
think
what
do
we
remember
about
the
2017,
I
mean,
I
would
say,
scott
carpenter
department,
sure
that
was
a
city
project
but
meals
on
wheels.
I
believe
that
that's
when
the
building
was
built,
and
so
it's
an
unusual
opportunity
and
I
believe
that
I'm
going
to
agree
with
mark
that
the
community
is
expecting
something
that
is
visionary
and
so
I'm
hoping
that
that
all
doesn't
get
lost
and
everybody
said
great
things.
I
don't
really
have
much
opinions
on
anything
else.
Besides
that.
B
I
hope
that
we
don't
lose
sight
of
the
purpose
of
this
particular
tax.
K
Aaron
and
I.
S
Really
just
actually
great
comments
from
from
all
my
colleagues.
It
actually
kind
of
informed
what
I
was
gonna
say.
So
I
appreciate
all
those
those
great
words
I
I
will
start
with.
S
Hearing
hearing
well
what
what
what
rachel
said-
and
you
know
I
think
we
all
kind
of-
I
think
we
all
need
to
take
some
pause,
realizing
we're
we're
adult
we're.
You
know
we're
a
day
late
and
a
dollar
short
on
a
lot
of
things
and
how?
How
do
we
get
caught
up
and
our
ambition
is
kind
of
getting
grounded
by
reality
and
that's
a
hard
thing,
but
there's
some
truth
to
that.
So
thank
you
rachel
for
bringing
that
up,
but
where
does
that
bring
here?
S
I
do
like
the
three
criteria
or
the
the
I'm
good,
with
sort
of
where
we're
at,
I
think
more
or
less.
I
would
tend
to
want
to
lean
towards
mark's
comments
that
that
capital
is
really
key
in
my
experience
with
working
a
lot
of
nonprofits
as
much
as
it's
good
to
do
capacity,
building
those
tend
to
carry
ongoing
costs,
and
so,
if
they
get
a
bump
in
some
of
that,
that's
great
for
the
short
term,
but
they
tend
to
want
it
then
they're
sort
of
hung
on
the
burden
of
that
perhaps
long
term.
S
So
so
there
is
some
of
that
that
occurs
with
some
nonprofits.
So
I'm
a
little
concerned
about
putting
too
much
weight
in
that
without
that
long-term
financial
stability
for
a
lot
of
non-profits
being
known,
and
they
not
knowing
it
themselves
a
little
bit.
So
I
do
think
capital
is
really
really
important,
because
that's
where
I
think
a
lot
of
our
opportunity
is
in
our
community
to
foster
a
lot
of
the
goals
that
we
have
so.
S
T
Yeah,
I
just
had
just
a
question
for
mark
building
on
matt's
comment
that
he
just
made
did
the
nonprofits
that
you
engaged
and
talked
with
about
how
to
do.
This
funding
know
that
this
was
one
time
funding,
that
it
wouldn't
be
long
term,
so
they
were,
they
were
aware
of.
That
is
that
right.
T
Okay,
cool
and
you
know,
I
think,
that
capacity
building
right
itself
can
be
really
transformational.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
something
specific
to
a
new
piece
of
the
building
or
something
like
that
right.
Building
that
capacity
within
our
community.
That
starts
to
transform
us
to,
especially
in
these
nonprofit
environments
that
are
building
a
lot
of
the
social
infrastructure
that
we
have
in
our.
C
Thanks
city
all
right:
well,
I
just
wanted
to
follow
up.
I
thought
junior
made
some
great
comments
and
just
want
to
emphasize
that
I
think
an
important
goal
of
this
program
is
to
make
sure
that
smaller
non-profits,
and
particularly
you
know
those
that
might
be
you
know,
minority-owned
or
female-owned,
who
might
not
always
have
a
crack
at
larger
dollar
amounts
that
they
get
the
support
that
they
need.
You
know
to
move
forward
and
move
on
to
the
next
level,
so
you
know,
I
think,
that's
really
important
piece
of
this.
C
I
think
the
the
the
different
kinds
of
approaches
we've
talked
here
I
think,
can
potentially
accommodate
that.
I
really
appreciate
that
judy
raising
that
at
that
point,
so
I'm
afraid,
mark
and
charlotte.
We
have
given
you
feedback
to
this
all
over
the
map.
So
it's
a
it's
a
little
hard
to
interpret
exactly
where
to
go
from
here,
except,
I
think
you
know
you're
getting.
You
know
some
some
feedback
that
that
may
be
some.
Some
adjustments
to
the
approach
you
know
might
be
desired.
We
have
some
council.
C
Members
are
like
great
just
go
for
it
and
a
number
of
others
you're
like
yeah.
Maybe
if
you
can
change
around
the
way
it
works,
I
I
I'll
leave
it
up
to
you
to
kind
of
say
what
you
think
might
come
next,
but
if
we
might
have
another
round
another
check
in
before
you
do
go
on
full
implementation.
I'll
just
mention
that
I
hate
to
make
more
work
for
anybody
or
take
more
council
time.
But
what's
what's
your
thinking
here,
mark
and
charlotte
and
others
from
based
on
our
feedback.
N
Yeah
I
appreciate
that
mayor.
I
appreciate
all
the
feedback
this
evening.
It
sounds
like
you
like
it,
but
you
want
some
changes,
so
I
I
think
we
can
take
the
notes
from
tonight.
I
agree,
I
think
a
checkpoint
before
we're
kind
of
full-blown
implementation
would
be
helpful.
I'm
not
sure
on
timing
of
that.
Quite
yet,
we
can
do
some
work
on
that.
N
I
think,
generally,
what
I'm
hearing
is
support
for
the
the
different
types,
some
flexibility,
perhaps
some
additional
dollars
that
we're
really
locking
in
and
making
sure
that
it's
available
for
larger
capital
without
losing
some
of
the
intent
of
getting
at
some
of
the
smaller
organizations
that
haven't
had
access
previously.
So
I
think
we
can
take
that
that
feedback,
sharpen
our
pencils
and
and
come
back
one
more
time
before
we
kind
of
finalize
the
implementation
strategy.
Does
that?
Does
that
sound
like
a
good
middle
ground.
C
It
does
to
me,
I
I
think
you
know
that
was
very
well
said
mark
in
terms
of,
I
think
the
variety
of
feedback
that
happened
so
is,
and
council
and
maria
is
that,
okay
to
like
maybe
get
another
update,
a
shorter
update.
You
know
in
a
little
bit
of
time
with
maybe
proposed
revisions
and
next
steps,
I'm
seeing
some
modern
heads
and
thumbs.
C
Okay,
great
mark
did
you
want
to
come
on.
I
Yeah,
I
I
just
wanted
to
support
junie's
suggestion
that
it
also
passed
through
financial
strategies.
I'm
not
sure
we
did
a
good
enough
job
looking
at
this
previously
and
I'm
not
sure
our
commentary
was
was
sufficiently
thoughtful
and
maybe
we
could
do
a
better
job
at
the
next
iteration.
C
I
certainly
would
support
junior's
idea
of
having
the
financial
strategies
take
another
look
at
it
before
it
comes
back
to
council.
C
Okay,
I'm
I'm
seeing
faces
looking
generally
okay
about
the
next
steps,
so
speak
up
now,
if
you
feel
like
this,
isn't
the
right
next
step
to
take
all
right,
I've
seen
no
hands
raised.
Okay!
Well,
thanks,
thanks
again
for
all
of
your
very
hard
and
creative
and
detailed
work
on
this
and
for
being
open
to
scatter
shot
feedback,
and
I
have
great
confidence
in
your
ability
to
to
come
up
with
the
next
step
that
will
work
for
council
in
the
community.
C
All
right
alicia:
what
do
we
got
next.
E
U
Great
thank
you
good
evening,
council.
My
name
is
elizabeth
crowe,
it's
good
to
see
you
again,
I'm
serving
as
deputy
director
for
housing
human
services
so
glad
to
be
in
that
role,
I'm
going
to
share
with
you,
as
was
asked
a
brief
overview
of
program
services
and
assistance
through
hhs
that
which
we
provide
directly
through
our
staff
and
also
some
critical
services
or
examples
of
critical
services
that
are
provided
through
our
investments
or
with
support
through
our
investments
to
our
non-profit
partner
agencies.
D
U
U
So
very
briefly,
and
I
will
try
to
be
brief,
so
we
have
plenty
of
time
for
discussion,
we'll
just
very
briefly
go
over
the
mission
and
strategy
again
touch
on
some
of
the
direct
services
that
our
hhs
department
provides
additional
services
through
our
investments
and
then
there's
a
special
request
as
well
this
evening,
given
the
supreme
court
decision
on
june
25th,
our
24th
rather
to
just
have
a
quick
review
of
some
reproductive
health
services
for
our
boulder
community,
so
happy
to
do
that
as
well,
and
then
we'll
have
some
questions
for
discussion.
U
So
I
just
want
to
start
by
reminding
us
all
of
our
mission
for
the
housing
and
human
services
department.
It
is
for
us
to
strive
for
all
people
in
our
community
to
thrive
and
to
help
make
sure
that
everyone
in
this
community
experiences
boulder
as
a
just
inclusive
and
equitable
community
and
of
the
of
those
commitments.
U
One
of
the
key
commitments
for
our
staff
and
oftentimes
the
most
challenging
is
the
third
bullet
point
down,
which
is
addressing
systemic
inequities.
It's
not
enough
for
us
to
really
respond
to
the
urgent
and
critical
and
immediate
needs,
but
transform
our
community
for
the
better.
In
order
to
achieve
that
equitable
community,
one
of
the
things
that
we've
been
working
on
within
our
department,
the
last
couple
of
years
has
been
to
really
focus
on
our
goals
and
in.
U
So
the
housing
human
services
department
provides
a
lot
of
direct
services
and
assistance
from
our
community-facing
program
staff
and
case
managers,
and
these
services
are
really
aimed
at
people
experiencing
low
income
or
who
are
experiencing
other
socioeconomic
or
health
barriers
based
on
income
or
other
disparities
included,
those
that
are
rooted
in
discrimination
due
to
people's
identity
or
circumstance
and
within
hhs.
Our
staff
communicate
really
closely
with
each
other
about
community
members
needs.
U
U
These
three
funding
programs
you
see
listed
here
are
a
primary
vehicle
for
supporting
human
services,
so
this
does
not
include
our
housing,
affordable,
housing
fund
or
those
types
of
sources,
and
I
will
say
I've
been
very
fortunate
to
have
worked
really
intimately
with
these
programs
in
the
last
several
years
and
the
non-profit
grantees
that
run
them
and
council
member
spear
mentioned
in
the
earlier
section
how
important
it
is
for
our
city
staff
to
have
those
trusted
relationships
and
do
that
relationship
building
with
our
nonprofits,
and
it's
really
a
great
team
of
us
in
hhs
that
work
to
do
that.
U
Each
day,
we're
fortunate
to
have
resources
that
we
are
able
to
purpose
local
dollars
to
support
these
organizations
and
do
a
lot
of
public
good
and
to
do
it
annually.
The
note
I
have
there
at
the
bottom
is
just
to
say
that
these
three
funding
programs
are
not
the
total
again
of
what
we
provide
in
hhs.
U
The
next
several
slides
will
offer
a
snapshot
at
the
kind
of
programs
that
we
do
support
through
our
investments
and
I've
included
in
this.
Some
of
the
services
that
we
know
are
most
commonly
and
critically
needed
by
community
members,
but
again
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Council
member
has
about
about
other
services.
U
U
If
you
don't
mind
clicking
through
emily,
you
can
click
twice
so
for
rental
and
financial
assistance
and
food.
This
really
comprises
a
lot
of
the
funding
that
we
allocate
out
to
organizations
like
emergency
family
assistance
association,
the
food
organizations
that
you
see
here
and
to
note,
even
though
boulder
county
runs
the
emergency
rental
assistance
program,
we
do
make
a
lot
of
referrals
to
community
members
to
that
source
and
through
the
housing
helpline
the
number
for
and
the
email
address
address
for
which
are
listed
there
and
again.
U
U
So
in
terms
of
homeless
services
and
sheltering
again,
the
organizations
listed
here
are
those
for
which
we
have
funding
contracts
for
a
wide
range
of
services,
not
an
inclusive
list.
So,
for
example,
the
lodge
feet
forward
are
just
two
of
many
other
organizations
that
provide
services
in
our
community.
U
The
note
there
about
focus
reentry.
This
is
actually
true
for
a
number
of
organizations
who
provide
assistance
to
homeless
community
members,
even
though
that's
not
necessarily
the
core
of
what
they
do.
So,
if
we
look
at
it
that
way,
it's
actually
a
much
longer
list
of
agencies
that
we
have
a
relationship
with
and
that
are
providing
services
in
our
community.
U
We
go
to
the
next
one
for
mental
behavioral
health
always
in
need,
and
certainly
a
need
that
has
been
much
more
pronounced
through
the
covid
pandemic,
with
the
table
mesa
incident,
the
wildfires
all
of
the
disasters
that
our
community
has
been
experiencing,
our
primary
mental
health
center,
of
course,
is
mental
health
partners
listed
there
in
the
middle.
They
are
the
largest
agency
locally
for
these
services.
U
Clinica
boulder
community
health
are
obviously
also
very
large
agencies
that
we
really
rely
upon
to
provide
ongoing
professional
care
at
a
number
of
different
levels,
but
we're
also
really
fortunate
to
have
organizations
some
of
them
smaller
right
that
have
nonetheless
integrated
mental
health
support
into
their
work.
So
organizations
like
el
centro,
amistad
out
boulder
county
are
are
good
examples
of
that,
and
there
are
many
others
and
the
goal
there.
U
One
note
that
the
pillar
program
listed
on
top.
I
didn't
really
want
to
take
out
the
room
to
spell
that
out,
but
it
stands
for
prevention
and
intervention
for
lifelong
alternatives
and
recovery,
and
we
actually
support
that
program
for
both
educational
component,
as
well
as
direct
treatments
for
people
experiencing
substance
use
disorder.
U
So
those
are
the
three
slides
I've
shared
with
just
an
overview
of
some
of
these
services
that
are
available
in
our
community.
If
we
want
to
go
to
the
next
slide,
I
can
just
briefly
thank
you.
Share
a
little
update
on
how
our
what
reproductive
health
services
are
available
to
boulder
community
members
and
how
our
organizations
that
are
working
in
this
field
are
doing.
U
We're
really
fortunate
to
have
many
compassionate
reproductive
health
care
providers
and
advocacy
organizations
in
our
community
and
the
city
has
funding
relationships
with
most
of
the
organizations
listed
here.
None
for
abortion
services
all
for
other
means
of
support
that
they
have
requested
and
then
and
accordingly
receive
funding.
U
We
regularly
keep
in
touch
with
program
staff
from
all
of
our
funding
agencies,
about
our
investments,
to
hear
how
they're
doing
what
challenges
they're
having
and
have
been
able
to
check
in
with
these
organizations
since
june
24,
because
there
are
they're
still
doing
the
work
they're
very
committed
to
it,
even
more
so
in
a
way,
given
the
additional
anxiety
and
fear,
and
a
lot
of
stress
that
community
members
are
having
and
providers
as
well
and
they're,
really
working
at
this
point
to
continue
to
meet
the
need
of
community
members
and
to
try
to
track
trends
and
plan
for
ripple
effects
that
might
come
upon
them
as
a
result
of
the
supreme
court
decision
on
roe,
roe,
vs
wade,
and
we
don't
really
know
yet
what
those
impacts
are
going
to
be.
U
The
one
thing
I
did
want
to
point
out
under
boulder
county
public
health
there's
mention
there
of
a
lark
coalition.
Lark
is
long-acting,
reversible
contraception.
U
That's
actually
a
coalition
that
had
been
going
on
of
providers,
which
was
on
I'm
told
a
bit
of
a
hiatus
during
covid,
but
are
now
ramping
up
again
because
you
know
hopefully
more
capacity
as
we
enter
different
phases
of
covid,
but
also
just
given
the
june
24
supreme
court
decision
and
really
wanting
to
stay
more
connected
with
each
other.
For
networking.
U
So
if
you
want
to
don't
mind
to
go
to
the
last
slide,
emily,
I'm
I'm
finished
now
the
presentation
I'm
happy
to
ask
emily
to
go
back
in
the
slideshow.
If
you
need
to
see
some
of
those
earlier
slides,
otherwise
happy
to
take
questions
and
comments
from
council
members.
Thank
you.
C
T
Yeah,
thank
you,
elizabeth.
I
really
just
appreciate
that
overview,
especially
knowing
it
came
together
on
relatively
short
notice,
so
really
really
appreciate
your
effort
there.
One
of
my
questions
is
whether
you
know
over
the
last
few
months,
as
kind
of
prices
of
everything
are
skyrocketing,
as
rents
are
going
up,
and
things
like
that,
are
you
seeing
upticks
and
service
needs
in
specific
areas,
and
if
so,
what
are
the
areas
where
you're
seeing
the
greatest
need.
U
Sure,
I
I
think
it's
I
think,
it's
safe
to
say,
and
I'm
kind
of
imagining
some
of
our
non-profit
partners
and
what
they
might
say
or
nod
to
or
shake
their
head
to
really
everything.
You
know
some
of
the
conversations
we've
been
having
among
staff
and
with
other
partners
just
for
programs,
like
our
rental
assistance
program
and
our
eppers
program
have
been
wow.
We're
not
seeing
any
slowdown
in
needs
for
rental
assistance,
and
it
could
be
a
lot
of
things,
including
that
people
are
now
having
to
pay
more
for
groceries
more
for
gas.
U
You
know
all
of
these
inflation
impacts,
and
that
means
that
they're
now
not
able
to
to
you
know
to
take
care
of
rent
as
much
either.
Food
is
certainly
an
increasing
expense.
I
think
folks
might
have
seen
some
news
coverage
lately
from
some
of
our
non-profit
partners
who
are
putting
the
call
out
the
need
for
more
food.
U
Mental
behavioral
health
continues
to
be
a
challenge,
and
one
of
the
challenges,
as
I'm
sure
council
is
aware,
is
that
the
staff
that
we
have
in
our
nonprofit
sector
are
working
very,
very
hard
and
that
the
trends
are
still
really
skyrocketing
in
terms
of
the
need
coming
out
of
covet
and
other
disasters,
and
there
really
is
a
national
shortage
of
providers.
U
It
takes
a
while
for
people
to
go
from
I'm
interested
in
getting
into
this
field,
to
being
able
to
be
certified
and
even
more
so
be
able
to
handle
the
kind
of
increased
level
of
need.
That's
something
that
we
hear
pretty
consistently,
whereas
before
maybe
there
were
a
you
know,
certain
percentage
of
people
really
in
crisis
and
others
who
were
really
get
what
they
need
from
more
moderate
therapies.
U
The
number
of
people
who
are
really
at
right
at
that
crisis
mode,
including
including
experiencing
suicide
ideation,
is
really
much
greater
than
it
was
before.
So
it's
not
I'm.
I'm
sorry
that
that's
the
answer,
but
what
we
hear
pretty
much
is
that
in
every
area
of
need,
those
needs
are
are
still
very
much
there.
T
Thank
you
for
thank
you
for
that,
and
you
made
a
comment
that
made
me
just
wonder
at
this
time
of
year.
You
typically
would
would
groups
typically
start
seeing
slow
downs
in
service
need,
or
that's.
U
A
good
question,
not
necessarily
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna
noodle
on
that,
maybe
and
get
back
to
you,
but
okay
yeah,
maybe
yeah.
T
Let
me
make
note
okay,
so
it
sounds
like
need,
is
going
up
pretty
dramatically
across
every
aspect
of
of
services.
Okay,
thank
you
and
then
I
just
have
one
other
question.
Then
I'll
give
it
to
somebody
else
to
ask
questions.
You
mentioned
that
the
city
has
financial
relationships
with
all
the
reproductive
health
organizations,
but
that
the
money
that
the
city
is
giving
to
these
organizations
is
not
used
for
abortion
services.
Did
I
hear
that
correctly
and
if
so,
could
you
explain?
U
Sure,
and
actually
thank
you
for
asking
that
I
should
clarify.
We
actually
don't
have
a
funding
relationship
with
planned
parenthood,
but
all
the
other
organizations
we
do
one
way
to
actually
answer.
U
The
question
is
that
we,
our
funding
committees
and
facilitated
by
staff,
consider
applications
that
are
for
funding
and
programs
that
are
requested,
and
so
that's
what
we
consider
and
at
least
that
to
this
point,
we
haven't
received
any
requests
for
for
funding
for
abortion
services,
the
ones
that
I
did
list
there
are
really
just
even
among
them
quite
a
range
so,
for
example,
boulder
valley,
women's
health.
You
know
we
provide
some
funding
for
their
clinical
staff,
but
also
a
lot
of
sexual
health
and
reproductive
health
education.
U
The
genesis
program
and
the
generations
program
within
boulder
county
health
genesis
is
specifically
for
low-income,
teen
mothers
and
the
generations
program
is
much
more
broad
range
of
services,
but
that
include
reproductive
health,
education
for
siblings
and
other
family
members
of
those
teen
mothers
and
then
thinking
about
clinica,
boulder
community
health.
U
We
fund
those
programs
for
other
sorts
of
health
services,
but
not
necessarily
for
pregnancy,
care
or
maternal
care.
T
Thank
you,
and
I
miss
that
I
have
one
more
question
so
last
last
one
colleagues,
if
anybody
wants
to
jump
in
after
this,
so
my
question
is
around
you
know
things
that
we
know
are
predictors
of
increased
homelessness
right.
This
is
certainly
an
issue
that
we
are
all
hearing
about.
A
lot
in
the
community.
Many
people
are
concerned
about
this
you
know
is
this:
is
a
sort
of
increase
in
rental
rental
need,
and
I
think
maybe
I've
asked
this
question
before.
T
U
Absolutely
I
think
the
answer
to
that
is
yes,
a
more
detailed
question.
I
would
love
to
be
able
to
consult
with
our
our
epress
program
team
and
some
other
colleagues,
but
the
answer
is
yes,
and
whether
or
not
the
you
know,
you
know
kind
of
the
the
pressure
point
came
from
another
bill
or
another
crisis.
I
think
just
that
dynamic
where
so
many
families
and
individuals
are
really
right
on
the
edge
and
it
only
takes
one
more
illness.
U
You
know
one
more
situation
to
push
them
over.
U
I
will
say
again
like
just
in
terms
of
the
eppers
program,
the
tenant
advisory
group
that
advises
that
program
actually
was
having
their
meeting
earlier
this
evening
as
well
and
to
date
we've
been
able
to
expend
almost
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
rental
assistance,
and
the
average
request
has
been
around
fifteen
hundred
dollars,
and
so
that's
just
kind
of
telling
right
as
to
the
degree
in
the
number
we're
getting
around
an
average
of
21
requests
per
month
and
and
so
the
need
is
there.
U
But
I
mentioned
earlier
that
you
know
staff
and
our
partners
have
been
talking
like
gosh
we're
not
seeing
this
slow
down
at
all.
So
I
think
that
factor
is
probably
another
telling
indicator
as
well.
C
C
C
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
E
M
Well
thanks
so
much
for
that
and
mayor,
I
think
I'll
kick
it
off
before
handing
it
off
to
taylor,
but,
as
you
know,
typically,
we
put
both
work
plan
and
council
process
improvements
in
the
same
retreat
that
we
have
in
january,
and
this
year
we
knew
we'd
have
a
lot
of
interest
in
the
work
plan,
and
we
realized
that
perhaps
it
was
unrealistic
to
ask
incoming
council
members
to
weigh
in
on
things
that
perhaps
they'd
like
to
see
change
in
the
council
process,
haven't
only
gotten
here
recently.
M
So
we
wanted
to
separate
those
out
and
add
this
merry
mid-year
sort
of
review
versus
the
midterm
review
that
we'll
do
in
january
to
really
focus
on
process
changes.
Now
that
this
new
council
body
has
had
more
time
to
really
experience
the
council
process
as
a
whole.
M
M
It's
not
necessarily
intended
to
be
a
place
where
additional
work
plans
are
did
and
again
just
mention
that
we'll
have
that
opportunity
again
to
do
a
check-in
at
our
midterm
check-in
in
january,
but
I
know
that
we
were
running
a
little
bit
tight
on
time
and
wanted
to
just
mention
that,
and
before
I
hand
this
over
to
taylor
to
get
us
started
on
it.
Since
I
did
mention
the
work
plan
count
the
council
work
plan
priorities.
M
I
want
to
just
say
that
you'll
be
receiving
a
link
tomorrow
about
a
dashboard
staff
has
been
working
on
that
really,
we
hope
will
provide
some
more
insight
into
where
we
are
on
each
priority.
We
know
you
often
wonder
like
what's
happening
with
the
work.
M
You've
asked
us
to
prioritize
during
the
term
and
while
we
know
we're
a
bit
delayed
and
we
knew
that
going
in
and
kicking
all
the
work
due
to
some
staffing
constraints,
we
also
want
to
work
on
better
ways
to
provide
you
sort
of
more
visible
updates
in
between
our
staff
presentations
and
as
long
as
I'm
talking
about
the
subject
of
vacancies-
and
I
know
the
mayor
knows
us-
because
I
was
super
excited
the
other
day
as
we
were
talking
but
happy
to
say
that
we're
making
progress
right
like
we
have
more
progress
to
do
and
despite
the
continued
difficulties,
we're
seeing
across
the
nation
and
the
region
since
january,
when
we've
had-
and
we
were
looking
at
about
160
vacancies,
we've
been
able
to
shave
that
down
to
about
112
in
this
amount
of
time
so
more
to
go.
M
But
I'm
just
excited
to
see
that,
despite
just
routine
retirements
and
turnover
that
happen
everywhere,
how
quickly
staff
is
being
truly
active
and
trying
to
fill
those
positions
as
quickly
as
we
can.
And
so
I
think
that,
as
we
continue
to
do
that,
we'll
also
be
seeing
how
those
additional
resources
will
help
us
advance
those
priorities,
a
little
faster.
V
Thanks
so
much
noria
good
evening,
council,
taylor,
ryman
city
council,
administrator,
happy
to
be
presenting
to
you
tonight's
presentation
on
council
process
changes.
As
maria
mentioned.
These
changes.
V
Are
typically
addressed
at
the
retreat,
but
in
addition
to
having
a
desire
for
a
really
robust
work
plan
discussion,
we
also
realize
that
council
needs
a
little
bit
of
time
to
get
familiar
with
processes
before
and
weigh
in
on
how
they'd
like
to
change
and
so
we're
bringing
you
this
conversation
tonight
in
your
packet.
V
You
will
also
notice
that
there
is
a
brief
update
on
those
work
plan
priorities
that
nuria
mentioned
in
concert
with
setting
up
those
dashboards
and
trying
to
really
provide
some
more
information
on
the
scope
and
how
we
foresee
those
those
phases
of
those
work
plan
items
laying
out
there's
a
brief
update
on
the
priorities,
whether
or
not
they've
started
in
your
packet
and
we've
also
developed
web
pages,
so
that
the
public
can
be
aware
of
what
those
work
plan
priorities
are
and
what
their
general
timelines
are
and
what
what
are
desired
outcomes
for
each
one.
V
There
are
many
council
proposals
for
process
changes,
some
from
staff
that
we'll
start
with,
and
we
have
various
staff
on
the
line
to
help
provide
any
answers
to
your
questions,
as
we
figure
out
whether
or
not
to
move
forward
with
changes
and
how
to
do
so.
There
are
a
couple
changes
recommended
from
the
council
subcommittee
on
engagement
and
a
welcome
council
welcoming,
council
environment,
as,
of
course,
proposals
from
you.
V
Boards
and
commission
proposals
came
from
a
variety
of
places,
and
so
we've
teased
those
out
and
given
them
their
own
section
at
the
end,
some
of
them
from
subcommittee
on
board
and
commissions,
some
of
them
from
you,
council
members
and
then
even
some
from
staff.
There
will
be
a
few
next
steps
and
then,
of
course,
time
for
questions
so
with
that.
C
Taylor,
do
you
mind
if
I
just
for
a
second
go
for
it?
So
thanks
very
much
for
getting
us
started
with
that
and
I'll
just
note
that
this
could
take
all
night
we
could
be
here
until
three
in
the
morning
we
have
a
lot
of
possible
change
requests.
C
So
a
couple
things
on
that
one
is
that,
hopefully
we
can
be
brisk
and
efficient
with
each
one
and
get
to
a
you
know
a
consensus,
yay
or
nay
or
modified
pretty
quickly
on
each
one,
and
the
other
is
is
that
we
may
well
put
the
board
and
commission
ones
to
a
future
study
session.
So
we'll
see
how
time
goes
tonight.
C
There
are
a
couple,
maybe
higher
priority
ones
that
have
been
suggested
by
the
council,
I'm
sorry
by
the
boards
and
commission
subcommittee
that
maybe
will
tackle
tonight,
but
there's
also
a
proposal
to
get
to
the
bulk
of
them
a
little
later
on
in
the
year
in
a
study
session,
so
we'll
check
in
once
we
get
through
the
everything
else
about
the
boards
and
commissions
and
then
check
the
council
temperature.
At
that
point,.
D
V
Taylor
go
ahead,
thank
you,
aaron,
and
so
with
that
we
will
dive
right
in
so
to
provide
a
little
bit
more
background
and
area
really
touched
on
this
process.
Changes
are
pretty
different
from
work
plan
items
and
they
address
the
procedural
administration
of
council
business.
This
can
include
things
like
how
agenda
items
are
scheduled,
counsel,
communication,
council
decorum
how
council
interacts
with
each
other
aspects
of
community
engagement.
W
Great
thank
you,
taylor
and
good
evening.
Council
members.
My
name
is
pam
davis,
my
pronouns.
Are
she
her?
I
serve
as
assistant
city
manager
and
have
been
leading
our
covid
response
and
recovery
team
throughout
the
last
couple
of
years.
So
our
first
item
is
to
do
another
check
in
with
you
and
provide
a
little
bit
of
information
about
where
the
organization
stands
in
relation
to
covid.
W
Throughout
the
break,
I
did
provide
through
email,
two
updates
from
boulder
county
public
health,
one
just
before
your
summer
break
began
and
one
just
last
friday
in
anticipation
of
this
meeting,
that
included
just
up-to-date
cdc
data,
as
well
as
the
current
thinking
of
the
county
as
it
relates
to
continuing
to
monitor
community
spread,
but
also
adjust
to
the
transition
of
this
pandemic,
gradually
becoming
endemic
to
our
society
and
really
learning
to
live
with
it.
W
So
what
we
wanted
to
bring
forth
to
you
today
was
really
to
first
tee
up
that
council
had
previously
decided
that,
while
in
red
community
translation
level
during
the
last
spike
in
covid
cases,
you
all
wanted
to
remain
remain
virtual
for
council
meetings
and
we
maintained
board
and
commission
meetings.
Virtual
as
well,
unfortunately,
we
do
remain
in
red.
As
of
tonight.
The
cdc
updates,
their
data
weekly
and
just
a
few
hours
ago
reported
very
similar
numbers
to
the
previous
two
weeks.
W
So
it's
indicating
we're
really
at
a
plateau
right
now,
we're
not
seeing
continued
increase
in
cases,
but
we're
seeing
a
very
slow
decline.
So
as
of
tonight,
we
do
remain
in
red.
That
said,
we'd
love
to
talk
with
you
about
sort
of
the
long-term
future
of
working
through
council
meetings
and
the
new
environment,
knowing
that
covid
will
not
probably
ever
go
away
but
is
gradually
becoming
more
endemic
in
our
community.
W
So
with
that,
what
I
will
share
with
you
is
that
our
organization,
so
all
the
staff
work
our
facilities,
the
services
we
offer,
while
in
red
right
now
our
buildings
are
still
open
business
as
usual,
so
the
public
is
able
to
access
services
during
the
day,
both
online
and
in
person
from
our
staff.
W
W
That
sort
of
thing
we're
also
asking
our
employees
to
mask
while
indoors
when
we're
in
a
level
red
community
spread
outside
of
that,
we
are
really
trying
to
establish
ourselves,
as
I
mentioned
business
as
usual,
and
providing
the
full
capacity
of
resources
to
our
community.
W
So
with
that
in
mind,
we
wanted
to
check
in
with
you
about
your
feelings.
Moving
forward.
We
intend,
once
we
are
back
out
of
red,
which
we
do
anticipate,
will
come
before
the
end
of
this
summer.
Once
we
hit
yellow
and
below,
we
will
permanently
move
to
what
we're
calling
the
new
normal,
which
is
really
an
enforced
hybrid
work
policy
for
our
staff,
meaning
that
those
who
are
capable
of
working
virtually
have
the
option
to
establish
that
a
balance
of
in-person
work
and
work
from
home.
W
According
to
their
duties.
We
will
have
a
minimum
requirement
for
employees
to
work
in
person
so
that
they
can
be
present
with
their
teams
and
provide
services
to
the
community,
but
really
once
we
drop
back
into
yellow
we're
going
to
implement
that
full
time
and
discontinue
our
practice
internally
of
adapting
constantly
to
the
changing
metrics
of
covid,
we
will
continue
to
again
take
some
of
these
personal
precautions
as
needed,
but
we
will
no
longer
adjust
our
operations
periodically.
W
So
with
that,
we
wanted
to
check
in
with
all
of
you,
based
on
that
information,
if
you
are
interested
in
following
suit
with
the
organization
and
anticipating
a
return
to
sort
of
your
new
normal
of
hybrid
meetings,
allowing
the
public
to
return
to
chambers
and
coming
into
person
yourselves
and
I'm
here
for
questions
and
anything
you
need.
While
you
discuss.
C
Great
thanks
for
that
pam
all
right
folks
who
want
to
weigh
in
I
know
people
have
opinions
on
this,
I'm
confident
mark
and
then
nicole.
W
W
It's
really
the
intention
to
continue
to
do
that,
because
the
fluctuation
is
has
been
become
started
to
just
become
sort
of
those
interruptions
of
service
for
staff
in
the
public
have
become
challenging,
and
we've
we've
seen
that
we
can
control
through
other
mitigation
measures,
adapt
quickly
to
individualized
spreads
when
they
occur.
M
T
W
Yep
thanks
for
that,
so
I
can't
provide
you
with
the
most
technical
facilities
background.
I
don't
know
that
we
have
someone
on
staff.
I
can
certainly
get
some
follow-ups.
I
do
know
that
facilities
looked
at
kind
of
ventilation
in
our
busier
facilities.
You
know
specifically,
council
chambers.
We
did
install
those
hepa
filters.
We
do
have
those
portable
air
circulators
that
we
can
bring
in
when
we
expect
larger
groups
of
people,
so
we've
really
done
what
we
can
to
kind
of
maximize
circulation
and
filtration
any
more
specific
than
that.
W
I
would
defer
to
one
of
our
facilities.
Managers
for
following.
T
T
I
would
like
to
know
that
masks
will
be
required
while,
while
we're
in
there,
especially
when
we're
in
red-
and
I
would
love
to
think
about
potentially
somewhat
reduced
capacity
depending
on
the
air
turnover
rate,
so
those
are
all
things
you
know
that
I
would
have
on
the
front
of
my
mind
in
thinking
about
this,
but
I
love
the
idea
of
going
back.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
are
taking
precautions,
because,
even
though
we
have
not
been
able
to
kind
of
get
covet
under
control,
it
is
still
mutating.
T
It
is
still
out
there
and
the
vaccines
don't
really
seem
to
be
affecting
cases
of
long-term
coven
that
are
incredibly
disabling
and
it
seems
to
be
the
case
that
looking
at
the
research
that's
out
there
so
far,
the
more
you
have
cases
of
cobit,
the
more
likely
it
is
to
leave
lingering
effects.
This
has
been
a
mass
disabling
event.
It
will
continue
to
be
a
mass
disabling
event
and
we
have
a
lot
of
people
in
our
community
friends,
family
members,
colleagues
neighbors,
who
are
becoming
disabled
by
covid.
T
So
I
would
really
love
to
see
us
continue
precautions,
even
it
because
it's
while
cases
you
know
hospitalizations
they're,
not
necessarily
as
high
as
they
were
at
some
points
in
the
pandemic.
T
This
is
still
affecting
our
community
in
a
pretty
substantial
way,
and
we
already
don't
really
have
all
the
services
that
we
need
to
care
for
our
disabled
community.
So
that's
just
that's
sort
of
what's
on
my
mind,
so
with
with
some
precautions
to
try
to
reduce
spread.
I
would
I
would
be
open
to
this.
J
And
comments
I'll
think
about
it.
One
question
I
have
is:
what
are
our
na
our
peer
cities
in
boulder
county?
Doing
I
just
texted
with
somebody
from
superior
and
louisville,
and
they
both
have
been
meeting
in
person
all
year,
but
I
don't
know
how
the
rest
of
boulder
county
is
doing,
and
you
know
we
do
have
county
health
orders,
and
so
it
seems,
like
maybe
we'd,
be
more
in
sync.
With
with
what
other
cities
near
us
are
doing
so
do
we
know
that
perchance.
W
Yeah
rachel's,
I
can
speak
to
that
a
little
bit,
so
in
speaking
with
the
county,
they
would
actually
be
in
person,
if
not
for
technology
challenges
in
their
chamber,
so
they
have
made
that
decision,
but
they're
dealing
with
supply
chain
issues
for
their
hybrid
technology.
So
that
is
the
the
fundamental
reason.
Jana
said
that
the
commissioners
are
still
meeting
virtually
for
the
most
part.
Our
counterparts
are
meeting
in
person.
Some
have
adapted
masks
depending
on
covet
levels
as
we
have,
but
we're
really
seeing
in
general.
J
So
that
was
my
impression
too.
So
thank
you
for
hitting
that
nail
right
on
the
head
and
then
second,
under
what
we
previously
decided
and
and
opted
into
if
the
colors
changed
in
the
right
direction,
this
very
night,
what's
the
first
day
that
we
could
go
back
so
because
I
think
people
may
have
planned
like
we
know,
there's
no
way
that
we
will
be
back
by
august,
10th
or
whatever,
and
I'm
sure
both
staff
and
council
members
are
sort
of
looking
at
that
and
maybe
planning
virtual
attendance.
J
W
Wherever
you
yeah
so
as
an
organization
rachel,
when
again,
we
don't
want
to
make
a
change
until
we
drop
back
into
yellow.
We
just
think
having
that
sort
of
final
trigger
is
is
a
good
idea.
That
said
our
our
intention
is
when
we
get
that
first
cdc
sign
that
we're
back
in
yellow
we're
going
to
give
it
a
week
to
make
sure
that
that
yellow
has
been
sustained,
and
then
we
plan
to
begin
kind
of
permanent
return
to
business
as
usual,
and
so
how
that
applies
to
you.
You
have
some
flexibility.
W
That
said
what
we
would
be
looking
at
would
be,
I
think,
the
earliest
really
we
would
be
looking
at
august
just
because
we
have
agreed
that
study
sessions
will
remain
virtual
anyway.
So
the
last
meeting
of
july
is
a
study
session
anyway,
and
certainly
staff
would
appreciate
you
know
a
week
or
two
to
get
back
brush
up
council
chambers,
you
know,
do
our
sort
of
reset
for
folks
to
come
back
in.
So
I
think
beyond
that,
it's
kind
of
up
to
you
all.
J
W
S
Thanks
aaron
and
I
appreciate
the
information
pam
and
I
think
just
for
clarity,
the
to
rachel's
last
question.
She
asked
a
couple
of
the
ones
I
was
gonna
ask
we
were
in
that
place
where
we
had
to
be
in
green
for
21
days
in
order
to
return
to
person
right.
It's
I
think
that
may
have
been
where
rachel's
question
was
going.
S
Is
the
original
anticipation
of
people's
calculus
was
nothing's
happened
and
until
we
even
get
to
green
before
the
clock
starts
for
21
days,
and
so
I
just
want
to
clarify
that
that
was
the
original
anticipation.
I
know
things
are
changing,
but
I
just
want
to
clarify
where,
where
rachel's
point
was,
I
think-
and
so
I
just
want
to
make
that
point
out-
question
I
have
is
with
regards
to
in
person.
S
If
council
returns
in
person,
would
it
be
just
all
at
once,
because
I
think
e,
regardless
of
where,
where
we're
at
with
the
numbers,
there
was
some
desire
that
we
kind
of
let
council
get
calibrated
before
we
welcome
the
public.
Is
there
still
desire
to
transition
or
when
we're
back,
it's
all
for
one
type
type
mentality?
So
I
was
wondering
if
there
was
some
intermediateness
to
that.
M
I
would
venture
to
say
that
that
is
up
to
your
that's
your
call.
We
can
do
it
either
way
and
we
will
be
rather
ready.
We
had
initially
wanted
to
transition
because
we
were
coming
back
all
together
in
the
beginning,
just
starting
all
with
council
and
staff
coming
back
together.
But
if
you
want
to
build
in
a
transition,
we
can
certainly
do
that.
D
B
B
B
So
I
guess
it
didn't
work
right
because
we
had
an
outbreak
just
throwing
that
out
there
so
good
for
us.
I'm
gonna
go
with
nicole
on
this.
I
really
don't
want.
I
haven't
gotten
kobe
did
I
can't
believe,
but
I
don't
want
one
coveted
and
I
think
I
would
rather
wait
till
green
personally.
I
know
everybody's
excited
to
get
back,
but
you
know
I'm
not
that
comfortable.
We
didn't
even
have
the
whole.
We
did.
I
don't
know
why
that
was.
We
didn't
have
any
of
the
public
and
we
still
had
that
rather
large
outbreak.
W
So
I
welcome
sarah
huntley
to
correct
me
on
that.
I
stand
in
the
meeting.
That
said,
we
would
not
have
any
greater
limitation
than
so.
The
zoom
kind
of
the
the
zoom
on
the
back
end
would
run
very
similarly
to
as
it
does
now,
and
I
see
sarah
popped
on
just
in
case
there's
a
fact
check
there.
X
R
X
C
I
don't
mind
if
I
call
it
clear
on
that
follow-up
on
that
lauren,
please
so
teresa.
Do
you
mind
speaking
to
that,
because
I
I
know
that,
like
on
day
10
of
the
pandemic,
we
passed
an
ordinance
that
I
thought
allowed
for
remote
participation
from
council
members,
and
maybe
it
was
just
emergency
orders,
but
I
didn't
think
it
was
so.
Can
you
clarify
please.
H
Sure,
good
evening,
mayor
teresa
taylor,
tate
city
attorney,
I
do
believe
that
this
would
require
a
code
change
to
allow
virtual
participation
currently
in
chapter
in
title
two
of
our
code.
It
contemplates
in-person
participation.
H
We
are
currently
preparing
an
ordinance
like
that
and
it
could
be
put
on
the
agenda
and
passed
by
emergency
such
that
it
could
take
effect
immediately.
R
Guess
just
to
follow
up
that
you
know
sort
of
what
I'm
feeling
is,
I'm
personally
comfortable
returning
to
in
person.
But
I
don't
want
to
impose
that
on
people
who
are
not
feeling
comfortable
with
that.
J
Yeah
thanks
pam
for
teeing
this
up,
so
I've
I've
been
an
advocate
for
returning
to
in
person
for
a
while.
So
I'm
unlikely
to
surprise
anyone
with
where
I'm
going
with
this,
but
you
know,
I
think
we
all
ran
for
this
office
to
serve
the
community.
I
think
that
most
many
of
us
have
other
jobs
or
go
to
restaurants
and
and
live
our
lives,
and
it's
it's.
J
I
I'm
I'm
not
clear
why
we
are
one
of
the
last
places
in
the
country
to
think
that
it's
important
to
get
back
to
in
person.
I
think
that
humans,
you
know,
for
millennia
and
centuries
of
you
know
not
not
conducted
government.
You
know
strictly
in
writing
like
we
get
together
and
we
are
we,
you
know
psychologically,
I
think
there's
value
to
us
debating
and
and
being
in
the
same
place
and-
and
I
think
that
some
of
that's
been
lost.
J
Having
done
it
both
ways,
so
I
understand
that
it
is
it's
still
a
pandemic
or
possibly
moving
into
endemic.
But
I
don't.
I
don't
see
this
changing
anytime
soon,
like
I
think
we
are
in
a
phase
of
covid,
where
we
are
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
live
with
it
and
through
it
and
keep
ourselves
safe.
J
D
I
D
I
I
I
didn't
enjoy
it
very
much
and
I
would
not
really
want
to
try
it
again
and
for
those
of
us
who
have
family
members
who
are
immune
compromised,
I
would
be
very,
very
reluctant
to
appear
in
person
on
the
conditions
other
than
green.
I
understand
other
people.
Other
cities
may
have
a
different
view,
I'm
simply
expressing
mine.
I
It
would
not
be
very
congenial
to
me
to
have
to
show
up
when
I've
got
family
members
who
are
more
subject
to
infection
and
dire
consequences.
That's
just.
C
Me
thanks
mark
I'll
call
myself
and
say
I'm
comfortable
following
the
city
organization's
lead
here.
I
think
what
you've
come
up
with
is
a
reasonable
approach
of
when
we
hit
yellow.
C
Then
you
know
we
go
mostly
back
to
in
person
and
then
you
know
take
it
from
there
and
I,
and
a
lot
of
that
is
motivated
by
the
county
public
health
guidance
right
like
they
have
certain
circumstances
where
they
highly
recommend
doing
things
virtual
or
requiring
masking
meetings
such
as
this
is
not
something
that
they're
saying
you
should
not
do,
and
I
don't
believe
they
require
masks
for
this
kind
of
gathering
either
not
to
say
that
we
can't
mask
I'm
not
saying
that,
but
anyway,
that
that
is
the
current
public
health
guidance
and
that
that
you
know
I
know
I'm
trying
to
not
have
too
many
indoor
commitments.
C
But
I
have
to
say
for
me
personally:
I
am
occasionally
going
to
meetings
that
are
inside,
so
that
is
happening
around
the
community,
and
I
also
find
it
somewhat
persuasive
that
essentially
all
of
our
peers
cities
have
been
meeting
in
person
for
some
time.
That
said,
I
don't
want
to
force
anybody
to
do
anything
that
they're
not
comfortable
with,
and
so
I
am
very
willing
to
when
whenever
we
decide
to
go
back
in
person,
if
some
council
members
are
not
comfortable
with
that,
I
think
it's
perfectly
fine.
L
Yeah,
I'm
gonna
agree
with
with
with
aaron
along
those
lines.
I
I
think
well,
first
of
all
it
I
think,
we'd
all
agree
that
it's
sub-optimal
to
have
some
council
members
in
person
in
some
virtual.
So
I
wouldn't.
I
wouldn't
want
that
arrangement
to
exist
for
very
long.
It
sounds
like
there's
some
council
members
who
are
keen
to
get
back
to
in
person.
There's
some
council
members
who
have
some
more
concern
about
doing
that
before
they're,
ready
or
before.
They
feel
the
health
authorities
feel
that
we're
ready.
L
So
I
think
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
kind
of
accommodate
everybody
do
the
best.
We
can
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
we
still
have
yet
to
talk
about,
and
maybe
we'll
start
talking
about
in
a
few
minutes
is
what
once
this
is
over.
If
it
ever
is
over.
What
are
our
rules
going
forward?
Because
we've
had
some
discussion
about
some
things,
though
I
think
we
need
to
tie
them
down
relating
to
study
sessions.
L
I
think
we
agreed
that
study
sessions
would
all
be
remote,
but
we
can
reaffirm
that
I
think
we've
talked
about,
but
we
haven't
really
come
to
definitive
conclusion
about
the
optionality
of
council
members
to
occasionally
participate
remotely
again.
This
has
nothing
to
do
with
covet
or
illness.
This
just
has
to
do
with
just
the
imposition
of
life
or
sometimes
council
members
might
find
themselves
traveling
or
maybe
they
they
do
are
feeling
under
the
weather
or
or
whatever.
For
whatever
reason,
tara
would
be
a
good
example
tonight.
L
If
we
were
back
to
in
person,
I
think
that
we
would
want
to
accommodate
tara
to
participate
virtually
because
of
what
she's
managing
tonight.
So
I
think
a
discussion
either
tonight
or
some
point
about
making
that
flexibility
for
council
meetings.
You
know,
maybe
it's
two
or
three
meetings
a
month
per
council
meet.
L
Remember
I
I
don't
know
what
we'll
come
come
to,
but
that
was
a
long
way
of
leading
up
to
agreeing
with
aaron
that
perhaps
what
we
could
do
between
now
and
the
end
of
the
year
is
to
say:
hey,
listen,
let's,
let's
go
back
to
in
person
in
the
next
month
or
so
or
whenever
you
get
hit
yellow,
I
guess,
but
if
there
are
still
council
members
or
staff
members
who
feel
uncomfortable
with
that,
they
can
participate
virtually
and
then
hopefully
we're
before
long
we're
all
in
green.
L
And
then
we
just
would
roll
into
this
kind
of
two
times
a
year
or
three
times
a
year,
virtual
optionality.
So
so
maybe
it's
there's
a
little
bit
of
not
no
pun,
intended
hybrid,
between
hybrid
and
and
where
we
are
right
now
and
aaron.
L
I
don't
know
how
you
feel
about
that
idea
where
we
go
back
to
in
person
soon
for
those
who
feel
comfortable
keep
the
virtual
option
without
limit,
without
this
two
to
three
times
a
year
limit,
at
least
for
the
rest
of
the
year,
and
then
we
could,
if,
if
we're
dead
in
green
zone
in
the
next
three
to
six
months,
move
to
some
sort
of
like
two
or
three
times
a
year
optionality,
I
don't
know
how
you
feel
about
that.
K
Thanks
aaron:
well
I
I'm
I'm.
I
I
hear
bob's
point.
S
But
I'm
struggling
with
sort
of
the
ping-pong
because
going
back
to
full
thing
and
then
another
variant
comes
and
we're
changing
our
rules
again.
I
I
think
we
have
to
be
at
a
state
where
we're
providing
maximum
flexibility,
and
I
don't
think
it's
appropriate
for
us
to
have
quotas
on
people
for
their
attendance
based
on
circumstance,
be
it
for
themselves,
travel
or
the
fact
that
we're
in
a
pandemic.
So
I
think
we
just
need
to
make
one.
S
I
think
we
take
one
step
and
we
let
that
be
for
a
while
before
we
start
thinking
about
what
the
sort
of
expiration
of
that
is
going
forward.
I
I
do
think
that
if
we
allow
the
public
back
in,
I
think
we
do
need
to
consider,
especially
if
we
are
again
moving.
S
We
keep
moving
the
goal
posts
and
this
has
been
a
national
issue,
but
we're
doing
the
same,
and
I
think
we
need
to
be
careful
doing
that
with
regards
to
how
that's
impre,
viewed
upon
by
our
community
and
and
and
so
I
do
think-
it's
probably
appropriate
for
us
to
consider
that
if
we
do
allow
the
public
back
in
and
we're
in
a
state
of
yellow
that
they
got
to
have
their
masks
on
or
and
or
reduced
attendance.
S
I
think
we
have
to
be
pretty
clear
with
that
going
forward,
and-
and
I
don't
I
don't
see
why
that
would
be
too
much
of
an
impedance
on
on
anybody
other
than
we're
just
trying
to
keep
people
safe
in
that
capacity.
So
so
my
vote
would
be
let's.
If
we
go,
you
know
I
would
I
would.
I
would
be
okay
going
with
if
we
go
yellow
we
can
go
in,
but
I
want
to
maintain
maximum
flexibility
for
hybrid
working
and
meeting
and
those
that
want
to
at
their
leisure,
no
quotas.
S
Just
let's
just
work
on
that
and
then
see
what
that
does
for
a
while.
We
might
go
in
and
out
of
green
or
yellow
and
red,
but
that's
that's
life.
That's
going
to
be
cove
with
life
for
the
foreseeable
future
is
going
in
and
out
of
that.
So
in
any
event
that
that
would
be
my
suggestion
of
maximum
flexibility
and
we
kind
of
move
forward
with
that
so
appreciate
it.
T
Thanks,
I
agree
with
bob
and
matt
around
the
concept
of
kind
of
flexibility
and
allowing
us
to
do
whatever
feels
the
most
appropriate
for
us.
What
I
want
to
make
sure
of,
though,
is
that
we're
being
really
inclusive
of
everybody
who
is
not
comfortable
being
here
in
person
or
being
at
our
meetings
in
person,
just
making
sure
that
we're
welcoming
everybody.
T
However,
we
show
up,
because
I
think
mark
was
spot
on
right,
we're
all
serving
our
community,
whether
we're
here
we're
in
our
homes
or
in
council
chambers
and-
and
I
think
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
that
everybody
is
still
feeling
like
they're
a
part
of
our
team,
regardless
of
where
they
are.
So,
I
would
imagine
that's
something
that
could
be
brainstormed
with
staff
with
some
of
us,
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
how
we
can
make
sure
that
we're
still
feeling
cohesive,
even
with
some
folks
in
different
places.
T
B
Well,
a
few
things.
First
of
all,
our
meetings
are
four
to
five
hours.
Often
so
I
don't
know
if
other
cities
in
colorado
have
four
to
five
hour
meetings.
This
probably
was
one
of
our
problems.
I
recently
had
friends
go
to
a
conference
of
500
people.
250
people
got
coped
with
something
like
that.
So
I
agree
with
matt.
We
really
don't
know
what
the
future
is
going
to
bring.
We
actually
have
no
idea.
B
I
think
we
should
maintain
flexibility
like
he
said,
I'm
fine
to
do
yellow
with
masses
as
long
as
I
don't
want
to
get
my
little
granddaughter
sick,
you
know,
so
I'm
going
to
be
pretty
careful
the
next
three
months.
As
long
as
we
have
the
flexibility
and,
like
nicole
said,
really
good
point
nicole,
you
know
there's
respect
among
us.
You
know
me.
I
visit
community
members
and
I'm
comfortable
to
do
that.
It's
outside
it's
one-on-one,
but
you
know
when
I
feel
comfortable.
B
You
know
I'm
dedicated
to
this
community,
but
it's
just
the
it
just
has
to
do
with
our
meetings
and
how
long
they
are
and
how
close
we
are
to
each
other
so
and
our
alleged
hvac
upgrades
no
offense
didn't
mean
that
in
a
bad
way,
hey.
C
Thanks,
tara,
okay,
well-
and
one
point
I
I
do
want
to
make
two
about
if
we're,
if
and
when,
when
we
come
back
to
in
person-
is
that
please
don't
attend
a
meeting
in
person
if
you're
at
all
sick,
okay
like
if
you
have
a
little
bit
of
the
sniffles
or
cough
or
something
like
that,
please
don't
show
up
and
you
we
might
consider
you
know
doing
a
morning
of
tests.
You
know
just
to
if
you're
feeling
even
remotely
under
the
weather.
C
You
know
because
to
try
to
minimize
the
chance
that
anybody's
getting
it's
not
perfect,
but
just
I
just
want
to
get
that
out
there
and
just
to
bob.
I
had
a
question
earlier.
You
know,
I
think
it
in
some
future
point
where
we
really
feel
like
we're
past
covet.
Let's
just
imagine
such
a
place,
then
I
think
maybe
having
some
kind.
C
I
think,
having
some
kind
of
quota
on
you
know
being
remote
for
meetings
could
can
make
sense,
but
I
wouldn't
do
it
in
the
near
term
right
so
I'd
wanna
preserve
that
flexibility
for
folks
to
to
continue
attending
remotely
for
a
good
long
time,
while
while
safety
was
at
all
a
question
would
be
my
thought
on
that
rachel
has
her
hand
up
and
then
I'll
try
to
wrap
this
up.
J
Just
real
quick
on
the
point
of
possibly
testing
on
now
thursdays.
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
everyone's
aware
that
your
insurance
companies
have
to
reimburse
you
or
send
you
eight
free
cova
tests
a
month
per
person
per
family
member.
So
you
know
if
you've
got
two
kids
you're
getting
you
know:
30
32
tests.
J
I've
got
there's
five
in
my
family,
like
it's
40
tests
that
you
know
everybody
can
test
eight
times
so
just
want
to
encourage
people
that
there
are
free
ways
to
do
that,
and
hopefully
I
think
that
actually,
if
you're
on
the
the
federal
medicare,
maybe
you
don't
get
it,
but
a
lot
of
people
do
get
free
tests
and
I
don't
know
nuri
if
there's
a
way
to
offer.
You
know
if
the
city
can
acquire
tests
and
that
doesn't
cover
the
public.
Although
to
members
of
public
you
also
everybody.
C
You
get
a
free
test
and
you've
been
a
free
test.
Okay,
okay!
Well.
Well,
once
again
we're
a
little
bit
all
over
the
place.
W
I
appreciate
because
I
think
you
were
just
headed
to
sort
of
establish
the
consensus,
but
I
just
want
to
ask
one
clarifier
with
with
the
lack
of
quota,
which
I
appreciate
that
flexibility.
Do
you
want
some
sort
of
mechanism
to
identify
like
the
monday
of
that
week,
folks
intention
to
come
in
person?
The
reason
I
ask
is,
I
can
imagine
a
scenario
where
it
ends
up
being
like
staff
come
to
present
in
person
to
one
council
member
who's
sitting
at
the
diocese
by
themselves
and
so
on.
W
So
I
I
don't
want
to
over
complicate
your
discussion
here,
but
I
am
curious
if
there's
an
opportunity
to
maybe
set
sort
of
like
an
in-person
quorum
is
the
wrong
word,
because
that
means
something
different,
but
sort
of
a
concept
of
at
least
three
people
are
gonna
show
up.
If
we're,
if
anyone's
gonna
show
up
that
sort
of
thing.
C
You
get
the
you
get
the
mayor's
seat,
whoever
the
one
person
is,
but
a
big
one.
Yeah
I
mean
we
can
stay
in
touch
and
communicate
on
on.
You
know
we
might
have
you
know
folks
that
say
you
know
what
I'm
just
not
coming
in
person
for
a
while
and
let
us
know,
and
then
other
people
say
yeah,
I'm
going
to
come
in
person.
C
But
then,
if
you
get
sick,
you're
not
going
to
come
so
maybe
we
can
just
have
some
informal
communication
or
not
informal,
but
stay
in
touch
as
we
figure
this
out,
because
I
hear
you
like
maybe
there's
a
threshold
if
you
need
at
least
three
to
come,
but
I
I
doubt
that
that's
going
to
be
an
issue
I'll
just
I'll
just
say
that
so
yeah.
So
then
what
I'm
hearing
is,
you
know,
there's
a
fair
number
of
us
who
are
comfortable
following
the
city's
approach.
C
There
are
a
fair
number
who
are
cautious
about
that
and
then
you
know
some
other
folks
are
like
are
not
ready
to
come
back
in
person,
and
so
maybe
what
this
means
is.
We
could
say
all
right,
let's,
let's
generally
follow
the
city's
lead,
but
not
with
a
like
super
quick.
You
know
like
oh,
it's
yellow
we're
coming
back
next,
you
know
in
three
days
you
know
so
so
we
get
some
buffer
zone
to
check
in
with
people.
C
You
know
and
confirm
that
that's
where
we're
headed,
not
necessarily
a
council,
may
not
just
be
with
an
email
out
to
folks
and
then
get
an
ordinance
passed
to
ensure
that
people
can
attend
remotely,
as
as
they
desire
and
to
nicole's
point
make
sure
that
we
we
don't
privilege,
you
know
points
of
view
that
are
in
person
or
remote.
You
know
that
that
we're
we
all
have
equal
participation.
C
Does
that
work
for
folks,
mary,
I
see
a
finger.
X
M
Just
a
couple
things
that
I
heard
too
and
I
think
in
addition
to
what
you
just
said
mayor,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I've
heard
correctly
that
there
is
we
as
a
city
will
be
requiring
mass
when
we
get
to
red,
because
that
is
what
cdc
recommends.
M
We
will
not
be
doing
that
for
staff
in
yellow,
and
what
I
heard
in
the
conversation
here
is
that
perhaps
there
is
a
desire
from
council
to
require
masking
at
least
from
the
public
if
it
is
in
yellow
and
if
it's
from
the
public,
I
think
we
have
to
be
consistent
and
that
will
apply
to
staff
and
the
council
members
as
well.
So
I
think
there's
some
legal
research
about
limiting.
There
was
also
a
conversation
about
limiting
capacity
and
what
that
may
do
so.
M
I
think
we
have
staff
and
teresa
looking
at
you
to
say
let's
do
a
little
bit
more
work
and
come
back,
but
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
I
heard
the
limitation
and
enforcement
of
that
of
capacity
when
we're
in
I
heard
yellow.
But
certainly
you
all
can
correct
me.
If
that's
yellow
and
I
mean
red.
Certainly
we
will
do,
but
I
heard
yellow
and
if
it
is
the
desire
that
I
heard
correctly
that
the
public-
and
that
would
mean
the
staff
and
council
members-
would
also
be
masking
up
in
yellow.
C
I'm
not
seeing
any
I
I
certainly
get
less
enthusiastic
about
being
in
person
but
with
the
mask,
but
I
also
want
to
minimize
transmission,
so
matt.
S
Yeah,
I
mean
I'll
comment
just
because
I
had
sort
of
I
think
I
had
alluded
that
that
was
a
place
of
interest.
For
me.
I
I
do
understand
consistency,
but
I
also
want
to
recognize
proximity
that
is
different
for
the
abundance
of
people
packed
in
shoulder
to
shoulder
in
that
abundance
in
the
audience
versus
a
handful
of
us
having
to
then
also
have
dialogue
with
mask
on
and
off
and
that
the
cumbersome
nature
of
that-
and
I
don't
know
if
that
matters
in
the
eye
of
the
law,
but
from
a
functional
perspective.
S
It
does
make
make
a
bit
of
a
difference
in
terms
of
how
functionally
useful
being
in
person
is
with
that
for
those
of
us
having
to
speak
a
lot
so
so
that
I
don't
know
if
that
difference
matters
in
the
idol
law.
But
for
me
it
does
make
some
difference
when
you're
packing
a
bunch
of
people
out
in
the
public
together,
it's
less
so
that
that's
where
a
differentiator
for
me
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
But
I
do
understand
consistency
to
some
extent.
M
Well,
and
to
be
fair,
I'm
not
passing
judgment.
Obviously
on
any
of
these,
it
was
more
if
cdc,
guidelines
how
they
speak
of
proximity
is
six
feet
and
we
don't
have
that
on
the
council
dice.
And
so,
if
we're
going
to
enforce
something
that
is
a
requirement
to
enter,
then
I
think
we
we
have
to
and
again.
This
is
why
we
need
some
more
legal
consideration
that
we
have
to
figure
out.
M
What
does
that
look
like
when,
if
we
don't
have
the
ability
to
separate
out
in
distance-
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
take
that
back
and
make
sure
that
I
heard
that
there
was
some
ass
to
maybe
consider
that
for
yellow
as
well
before
we
move
forward,
because
it's
easy
with
the
cdc
guidance
to
know
that
that's
the
case
for
red.
D
R
Yeah,
I
I
mean
personally,
I
support
following
the
county
guidelines,
sort
of
as
they're
laid
out
for
various
types
of
events
to
me
that
just
feels
like
the
clearest
and
most
consistent
way
of
dealing
with
it.
I
worry
a
little
bit
by
requiring
something:
that's
not
in
line
with
what
the
rest
of
the
county
is
doing
by.
R
We
would
catch
people
off
guard
and
just
cause
a
little
bit
more
confusion
and
chaos,
and
if
we
are
allowing
people
to
participate
remotely
both
council
members
and
public
to
me,
it
seems
like
there's
opportunity
for
people
to
participate
at
their
comfort
level,
and
that
is
really
important
to
me
and,
and
that
would
already
be
there.
So
I
would
support
just
following
the
county
guidelines.
C
Yeah
thanks
chet
lauren
lauren,
so
maybe
mary.
This
is
something
to
be
looked
into
and
come
back
to
us
with.
I
tend
to
go
towards
lauren's
direction
about
following
county
guidelines,
but
we
want
to
be
both
legal
and
safe.
You
know
we
also.
If
we
are
masking,
you
know
there
could
be
a
like
if
you're
speaking,
you
might
have
the
option
of
taking
your
mask
off
and
you
can
make
yourself
heard
it's
another
possibility.
C
W
Fam
the
second
one
was
actually
the
question
that
bob
had
raised
about
establishing
council
rules
of
procedure
for
allowances
for
sort
of
how
much
you
can
participate
virtually
so
based
on
your
conversation,
you
just
had
it
sounds
like
we
should
table
number
two
and
bring
it
back
to
you
at
your
retreat
in
january.
W
V
All
right,
thank
you
and
emily's,
bringing
those
slides
back
up
thanks
so
much
emily.
So
we've
knocked
out
the
first
two
and
just
to
give
us
all
an
idea
of
what
the
rest
of
the
night
looks
like.
We
do
have
around
21
proposals
to
address
tara
thanks
for
laughing
now,
a
big
chunk
of
those
do
fall
in
the
board
and
commission
category,
and
as
aaron
mentioned,
there
is
a
staff
proposal
to
perhaps
defer
those
conversations
for
later
so
we'll
see
how
this
all
shakes
out.
V
But
I'm
happy
to
lead
into
number
three
and
all
three
of
these
here
on
this
slide
kind
of
revolve
around
the
the
reality
that
we
have
around
covid
council
training
and
travel
budget
certainly
isn't
directly
related
to
kovid,
but
kovid
has
unfortunately
brought
about
some
new
realities
when
it
comes
to
travel,
just
the
safety
of
doing
so
and
the
cost
of
doing
so.
So
we
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
training
and
travel
budgets,
especially
as
in-person
opportunities
are
ramping
up
and
becoming
more
available.
V
Some
of
you
have
actually
pursued
those,
and
our
recommendation
is
beginning
in
2023
to
restructure
the
council.
Travel
budgets
currently
travel
budgets,
a
lot
twenty
thousand
dollars
annually
for
group
travel.
Now
that
doesn't
necessarily
mean
you
all
go
places
as
a
group.
What
that
is
actually
referring
to
is
the
council
committee
assignments
that
we
did
last
winter,
so
assignments
on
organizations
such
as
the
national
league
of
cities,
the
metro
mayor's
caucus,
the
colorado
municipal
league
things
like
that,
to
the
extent
that
there
are
opportunities
that
you
would
like
to
pursue.
V
We
did
reduce
it
in
2021
because
of
some
cost
saving
measures,
and
also,
just
frankly,
there
wasn't
as
much
as
many
opportunities
available
because
of
the
pandemic.
We
restored
that
budget
this
year,
but
our
recommendation
would
be
to
eliminate
the
group
travel
fund
and
redistribute
the
money
to
the
your
individual
funds,
with
the
mayor
receiving
just
a
little
bit
more
to
carry
out
their
additional
and
unique
duties
as
mayor
and
budgets
were
slightly
increased
to
account
for
the
inflation
that
we've
been
noticing
and
council
members.
This.
V
V
So
the
the
new
proposal
would
be
for
the
mayor
to
have
an
annual
travel
budget
of
five
thousand
dollars
and
individual
council
members
to
have
an
annual
travel
budget
of
four
thousand
dollars.
Just
as
a
reminder,
council
members
are
held
to
the
same
standards
as
employees
when
it
comes
to
the
use
of
their
travel
funds.
Those
requirements
are
outlined
in
one
of
the
attachments
to
the
memo
on
travel
policy.
V
So
with
that,
I
will
leave
it
to
counsel
for
discussion
just
also
as
we
move
through
this
presentation,
we'll
be
continuing
to
bring
up
the
powerpoint
to
talk
through
what
the
proposals
are
but
bringing
them
down
for
your
discussion.
So
it's
going
to
kind
of
be
an
up-down
situation,
but
we
hope
that
that
helps
support
your
robust
conversations.
C
Thanks
taylor,
I
appreciate
the
program,
so
let
me
just
say:
it's
well
articulated
any
objections
to
staff's
proposal
for
the
revisions
of
travel
budgets.
C
V
L
Thanks
taylor,
I'll
just
walk
through
the
proposals
very
quickly
and
and
if
I
get
any
of
it
wrong,
rachel
or
or
taylor
or
sarah
or
ryan,
can
correct
me
really
two
proposals.
One
is
kind
of
a
back
to
the
future.
L
Those
have
been
have
been
on
council
for
a
while
remember
that
before
covet,
occasionally,
council
members,
particularly
during
open
comment,
wood
when
a
speaker
finished
their
two-minute
presentation
would
could
if
they
wanted
to
raise
their
hand
and
be
recognized
by
the
mayor
and
ask
a
community
member
who
was
speaking
in
open
comment,
a
question
or
two:
it
didn't
happen
real
often,
but
maybe
once
a
night
or
so
once
or
twice
a
night.
L
There
may
be
a
follow-up
question
and
clarifying
it
was
not
it's
not
intended
to
be
to
give
the
speaker
an
extra
minute
or
two
to
speak.
It
was
simply
a
genuine
question,
and
so
what
the
committee
is
is
recommending
is
that
if
a
council
member
has
a
question
of
a
community
member
who's,
just
spoken
at
open
comment,
they
raised
their
hand.
The
mayor
would
call
on
them.
They
could
ask
a
question
of
that
community
member
and
let
the
community
member
have
a
reasonable
time
to
answer
that
question
or
follow
up
on
that.
L
This
would
obviously
always
be
at
the
discretion
of
the
of
the
mayor.
We
wouldn't
want
it
to
be
abused
to
extend
people's
times,
but
sometimes
we
have
legitimate
questions
and
we're
desperate
to
ask
them
and
also,
I
think,
there's
a
sense
that
this
is
a
bit
of
a
one-way
communication.
We
kind
of
sit
here
and
smile
and
listen
to
20
people
give
two-minute
presentations
and-
and
I
think,
to
the
extent
that
there
could
be
a
little
back
and
forth
interaction.
C
Great
thanks
for
that
bob
I'll,
just
ask
this
is
something
we
used
to
do
on
relatively
regularly.
Does
anybody
object
to
bringing
this
option
back
in
today's
damage.
C
Not
seeing
any
thumbs
downs
so
very
good
and
then
I
would
just
add
the
caveat
of
please
do
keep
it
to
questions
you
would
really
like
the
answer
to
or
that
you
think
it's
really
important
for
the
community
to
hear
and
not
be
too
discriminate
with
it.
But
I
trust
that
people
wouldn't
do
that
anyway.
So
thanks.
L
The
next
slide,
the
the
second
of
the
two
recommendations
of
the
the
the
committee,
the
rachel
ion-
are-
are
thrown
out.
They're,
really
nothing
immediate,
but
council
members
have
been
very
generous
with
their
time
in
signing
up
for
chats
with
council
and
some
walks
with
council.
You
see
there
on
the
the
the
slide
several
that
are
coming
up
here
in
the
next
couple
of
months.
One
thought
that
that
the
committee
had
is
is
perhaps
also
making
council
members
available
at
some
of
the
community
festivals.
L
You
know,
there's
a
lot
of
festivals,
strictly
downtown.
There's
arts
festival
that,
just
on
this
this
month,
there's
a
tulip
festival
in
the
spring.
There's
a
fall
fest
coming
up
in
september.
Of
course,
the
bold
creek
festival
in
may
our
open
space
department,
and
sometimes
our
parks
department,
often
have
booths
or
tents
at
those
things.
So
this
is
not
unusual
to
have
the
city
participate.
L
If
you
went
to
the
jewish
festival
a
few
weeks
ago,
you
saw
the
rabbis
got
together
and
had
a
tent
and
they
called
it.
The
rabbi's
living
room
and
anybody
could
just
come
in
and
sit
down
in
an
easy
chair
and
have
a
conversation
with
rabbi.
So
the
thought
we
had
is
is
that
you
know
maybe
at
one
of
these
festivals-
probably
not
this
year,
because
the
time
is
is
a
short
but
maybe
planning
for
the
spring.
We
could
get
a
tent
at
one
of
these
downtown
festivals
and
council.
L
Members
could
sign
up
for
maybe
two
hour
three
hour
stints
and
just
a
very
casual
environment
in
chairs,
not
a
table.
L
A
lot
of
community
members
to
sit
down
and
chat
with
us
we'd
probably
want
some
staffing
just
to
make
sure
there
was
a
good
flow
of
of
community
members
coming
in
and
out
that
no
one
dominated
the
time
and
and
sometimes
as
as
you
all
know,
from
participating
in
chats
there's
a
follow-up,
necessary
and
staff
is
very,
very
helpful
in
in
recording
that
and
tracking
that
that
follow
up.
L
So
we
just
wanted
to
see
if
there
was
an
interest
by
council
members
to
pilot
this,
maybe
starting
in
the
spring,
in
addition
to
or
perhaps
in
lieu
of
a
chat
or
walk
with
council
to
actually
have
maybe
a
council
attend
at
one
of
these
community
festivals.
B
B
L
Thanks
for
raising
that
and
your
enthusiasm
tara,
actually
I
was
enthusiastic
too,
and
there
was
a
fall
festival
coming
up
the
weekend
of
september
17th
and
rachel,
and
I
had
originally
suggested
we'd
do
that
then,
but
then
a
reality
kind
of
came
crashing
in,
and
staff
suggested
that
maybe
that
was
a
little
bit
too
quick.
That's
of
course,
that
nothing
prevents
a
council
member
from
walking
around
at
any
of
these
festivals.
L
With
your
badge
on
and
identifying
yourself
and
having
whatever
conversations
you
want
with
community
members,
but
but
the
staff
recommended
maybe
waiting
until
the
spring
to
actually
have
a
a
formal,
a
tent
and
a
chat
place.
C
Thanks
for
that
suggestion,
bob
any
objections
to
this
idea
of
going
to
festivals.
C
I'm
not
seeing
any.
I
love
this
idea
too.
I
think
it
sounds
like
lots
of
fun
great
way
to
thank
you.
V
V
I
plan
to
send
out
an
email
shortly
after
this
meeting,
perhaps
tomorrow,
but
if
not
early
next
week,
soliciting
participation
for
each
of
these.
I
just
have
dates
and
times
listed
here
and
not
more
of
the
sort
of
partner
and
event
information.
What
organization?
What
if,
if
it's
going
to
be
topic
driven?
What
would
it
be?
V
C
C
Okay,
very
good,
so
folks,
the
the
order
here
is
a
little
different
from
in
the
memo.
I
just
I
tried
to
organize
it
with
some
of
the
easier
ones
up
front,
so
we'll
see
that
we
can
get
through
them
and
then
they're,
probably
some
closer
to
the
end.
That
will
merit
a
little
bit
more
discussion,
but
our
first
suggestion-
and
I
these
do
not
have
people
assigned
to
them.
So
if
I
say
something
wrong
or
anybody
wants
to
add
color
like
oh
no,
that
was
my
idea
and
you
totally
botched
it.
C
Please
do
just
raise
your
hand
and
we'll
get
you
the
opportunity
to
speak.
So
the
first
one
was
about
ensuring
that
new
council
members
learned
about
process
changes
that
had
been
agreed
to
by
previous
councils
or
their
own
council,
and
so
the
change
that
was
requested
was
when
council
members
are
on
boarded
during
orientation
to
add
a
specific
review
of
the
past
two
years
of
process
changes
to
that
onboarding
process.
C
C
Not
not
seeing
any
shaking
yet
so
great
thanks,
good
suggestion.
Next
one
was
a
legal
refresher
on
open
meetings,
so
this
is
just
a
suggestion
for
staff
to
review
with
council
members,
maybe
with
a
memo
or
offline
or
possibly
at
a
meeting.
The
the
open
meetings
rules
exactly
how
the
open
meetings
rules
works,
because
that's
they're
they're
a
little
tricky,
and
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
get
them
right
because
of
course,
we
can
be
subjected
to
legal
liability.
If
we
don't
do
it
right,
matt.
S
We,
the
the
new,
the
new
ones
on
council.
We
had
this
as
part
of
our
orientation
and
it
was
really
helpful,
and
so
I'm
curious,
were
you
specifically
setting
that
out
more
of
an
annual
basis
and
not
necessarily
part
of
orientation,
or
do
you
think
once
you
know
it,
you
know
it
because
I'm
just
wondering
how
that's
really
different
from
the
4.1,
where
you
have
it
part
of
onboarding
and
orientation,
but
maybe
these
separated
from
that.
C
So
I'm
not
sure
who
this
suggestion
came
from,
but
I
think
it
was
to
to
make
sure
that
the
knowledge
was
fresh
in
everybody's
minds,
because
it
is
so
important
and
you
know
maybe
once
or
twice
we've
seen
people
just
a
little
bit
off
on
them
teresa.
Do
you
want
to
speak
to
this.
H
Sure
mayor,
I'm
happy
to
you
know
now
that
certainly
we
do
cover
this
in
orientation
and
we
would
intend
to
continue
to
do
that,
but
once
you've
had
a
chance
to
sort
of
work
with
the
rules
a
while
and
and
had
some
interactions
with
your
other
council
members.
Sometimes
a
refresher
can
be
helpful
because
you
have
more
context.
S
That
that's
helpful
for
me
I,
but
but
for
maybe
the
tenured
council
members.
This
was
part
of
orientation
which
was
great,
but
just
you
know
that
there
is
there.
Some
of
this
is
already
getting
distributed
out
and
if
it's
a
more
regular
cadence
of
reminders,
I'm
cool
with
that
too,
but
just
just
for
clarity,
because
I
thought
that
was
great
stuff.
When
we
got
on
board.
H
I'm
envisioning
these
as
as
a
short
conversation
during
matters
from
the
city
attorney
at
an
upcoming
meeting.
C
Very
good
all
right:
well,
does
anyone
have
any
objection
to
a
refresher
on
open
meetings
and
quasi-additional
process
rules
for
the
city
attorney
at
some
upcoming
meeting?
C
All
right,
so
this
is
about
encouraging
the
council
agenda
committee
to
be
more
active
in
rearranging
schedules
when
there's
a
large
number
of
sign
ups
for
public
hearings.
So
this
is
about
rewriting
a
bit
of
the
cac
mission
in
the
council
procedures.
Section
three,
so
it
currently
reads
representing
cec's
mission,
is
to
representing
the
views
of
the
entire
city
council.
C
The
agenda
committee
number
one
sets
the
agenda
and
then
add
the
text
and
balances
anticipated
time
for
council
meetings
and
study
sessions,
two
comments
on
written
agenda,
materials,
etc,
etc,
and-
and
I
will
just
say
that
that
cec
does
its
best
at
this
already.
So
I
think,
there's
a
great
suggestion
to
write
it
in
here,
because
it's
a
really
important
part
of
its
role
so
I'll
just
add
that.
But
I
think
it's
it's
already
something
that
we
strive
for,
but
it's
really
good
to
make
it
explicit.
I'll.
Just
add
that
commentary,
tara.
B
I
have
a
question
to
add
on
to
the
cac
portion
and
that
is
does
caca
ever
say
no
to
requests
to
add
things
onto
the
meetings,
I'm
just
bringing
that
up,
because
we
have
an
awful
lot
of
alleged.
I'm
not
saying
things
are
in
emergencies,
but
we
have
a
really
tight
schedule
and
to
just
keep
adding
things
with
the
cac,
not
saying
no,
and
that
includes
anything
I
ask
I'm
not
putting
myself
on
a
pedestal
here.
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
up
and
ask
what
is
protocol.
C
Very
good,
well,
tara.
I
will
say
that
for
small
suggestions
like
an
item
under
matters
for
10
or
15
minutes
that
I
think
cc
generally
tries
to
be
responsive
to
council
requests.
C
If
it's
a
if
it's
a
larger
suggestion
like
if
somebody
asks
for
an
entire
meeting
on
one
topic,
that
might
be
something
that
we
say
well,
not
that
or
how
about
a
smaller
version
of
that
or
if
a
council
member
was
really
insistent
on
that
larger.
Ask
that
might
be
something
that
we
might
bring
to
the
council
to
check
in
on,
because
I
think
the
way
we've
been
approaching
it
has
been
to
say
you
know,
for
a
request.
K
S
I
think
there's
some
grace
added
that
I
think
we
can
do
more
of
this
rearranging
just
naturally
just
for
that
impending
meeting
without
feeling
like
we
can't
give
notice
or
we're
putting
staff
in
a
bind.
So
maybe
this
sort
of
naturally
takes
care
of
itself
a
little
bit
just
based
on
our
moving
to
thursdays.
B
C
C
C
C
Okay,
so
this
was
about
during
council
meetings,
no
vote
taken
or
new
matter
commenced
after
10,
30
p.m,
and
here's
our
existing
process,
I'm
not
going
to
read
the
whole
thing,
but
well,
I
will
just
say
I
will
make
a
culprit
here.
I
do
not
always
do
these
check-ins
perfectly
as
we
move
through
the
meeting,
so
I
I
need
to
you
know,
follow
this
more
closely,
so
I
can.
C
I
can
promise
that
to
reread
this
a
few
times
and
do
a
little
better
at
this,
but
I
I
was
not
sure
about
the
specific
suggestion
for
changes.
So
would
would
anyone
like
to
to
pop
up
and
and
see
something
in
this
language
that
they
would
like
to
be
different
or
a
different
change
to
this
process?.
C
I
I
don't
think
it's
that
we
require
different
language.
We
require
better
discipline
among
ourselves
in
terms
of
following
these
guidelines,
and
it's
not
just
you
aaron,
it's
all
of
us
collectively,
and
you
know
no
language
will
will
prevent
us
from
exceeding
these
limits.
If
we
don't
have
that
kind
of
self-discipline,
I
just
urge
us
to
have
it.
T
I
just
wanted
to
echo
mark.
You
know,
I
think
it's
also
within
cac
right
as
we
get
to
know
each
other
better,
like
there
were
a
lot
of
new
ones,
new
council
members
who
came
on
this
term
as
we
get
to
know
each
other
better.
We
likely
have
some
ideas
around
the
things
that
we're
going
to
have
more
fewer
questions
around,
and
hopefully
we
can
on
those
of
us
as
we're
rotating
through
cac
and
aaron.
You
and
rachel
can
just
kind
of
be
mindful
of
that
as
well.
T
I
do
feel
like
we're
getting
a
little
bit
better
in
managing
not
just
managing
time
but
scheduling
time
right
planning
for
for
how
we're
going
to
be
talking
as
well.
So
maybe
it's
something
we
can
just
continue
to
remind
ourselves
about.
C
C
Yeah,
so
this
this
one
isn't
is
an
easy
one.
Okay,
so
it's
9
10.
we're
in
our
last
agenda
item.
So
let's
try
to
get
through
this
before
10
30.,
so
that
we
can
meet
our
end.
Our
meeting
by
the
10
30
time
that
we've
agreed
that
we
will
end
all
our
meetings
by
if
at
all
possible,
so
that
there
we
have
good
time
check.
We
got
an
hour
and
20
minutes.
So,
let's
see
if
we
can
get
through
the
rest
of
these
process
changes.
J
C
Okay,
good
enough
here,
why
don't
we
move
on
to
the
next
slide.
C
J
Well,
sometimes
in
meetings
you're
very
busy
and
you're,
not
taking
good
notes,
and
if
you
do
you're
not
going
back
to
them
like
we're.
I
don't
think
that
as
a
body,
we
do
a
great
job
of
tracking
what
was
agreed
to
during
a
meeting
what
maybe
staff
promised
that
they
would
follow
up
and
get
back
to
us
on
what
was
what
actually
got
back
to
us
like.
Where
did
that
information
come
back?
I
did
take
a
stab
at
it
like
early
on
as
pro
tem.
J
Some
of
you
may
recall
me
reaching
out
and
saying
I'm
gonna
try
and
track
that,
and
I
failed
so
I
I
I
just
think
that
it
is
sometimes
it'll
occur
to
me
shoot
we
never
heard.
We
just
never
heard
back
on
that
and
it's
not
until
the
agenda
item
comes
back
up
and
then
we're
wasting
time
and
meeting
being
like
well.
J
What
happened
last
year
when
we
looked
at
it,
so
it
would
just
be
great
if
there
was
a
way
for
you
know
if
there
was
some
kind
of
a
running
list
of
like
here's,
here's
what
we
are!
Here's
what
you
know
we
agreed
to
follow
up
on.
Here's
where
that
happened
here
was
the
outcome
and,
like
here's,
the
staff
contact
or
something
that
that'll
be
one
person's
vision.
C
Thanks
for
that
rachel,
so
if
I
just
make
a
comment
on
this
to
start,
I
like.
I
think
this
concept
is
really
a
good
one,
and
then
I
think
maybe
the
challenge
you
might
need
to
address
is
what
constitutes
a
follow-up.
C
That
requires
an
item
that
requires
being
tracked,
and
so
I
I
wonder,
is
this
something:
where
account
we
could
have
a
category
where
council
members
like
I'd
like
to
to
add
this
to
the
formal
follow-up
list.
Something
like
that.
So
then,
staff's
not
trying
to
comb
through
a
four-hour
tape,
it'd
be
like
wait,
which,
which
were
the
things
that
we
said,
that
we
would.
J
Come
back
yeah
I
I
would
hope
that
that
somebody's
just
tracking
it
in
real
time
and
that
it's
it's
vested
with
someone
who's,
not
speaking
at
the
meeting
and
trying
to
you
know
sort
of
track
it
like
that,
but
so
I'll
go
back
to
like
an
early.
Maybe
when
I
did
try
and
track
it
for
one
meeting
the
the
types
of
things
I
wrote
down
where
I
think
matt
had
asked
on,
we
were
looking
at
severe
weather
shelter.
I
think
and
matt
had
asked
something
about.
Like
can
wind
be
a
trigger?
J
You
know.
High
wind
advisory
be
a
triggering
event
and
I
think
lauren
had
asked
about
you
know.
Do
we
look
at
something
equivalent
in
the
building
industry
lauren
you
like
where
you
you
watch
for
chopped
off
fingers
before
you
count
deaths
and
that
maybe
can
anticipate.
J
You
know
that
there's
you
know
danger
in
the
way
that
something's
happening.
So
were
we
tracking
that
and
I
don't
know
that
we
got
and
again
those
are,
I
think,
just
sleeping
in
mine
because
I
happen
to
have
written
them
down
at
the
time.
But
those
are
the
sorts
of
things
that
I
you
know
where,
where
it
was
said
like
we'll
get
back
to
you
on
that,
and
I
don't
know
that
that
that
was
gotten
back
to
you.
J
Maybe
it
was
and-
and
I
would
say
it
would
also
be
helpful
to
go
to
olive
council
not
just
matt
and
lauren,
who
asked
the
questions,
so
I
don't
know
for
me.
It's
any
time.
Staff
would
say
like
we'll
get
back
to
you
on
that.
I
think
that
that
would
trigger
it.
M
Yeah-
and
I
think-
and
we
have
been
talking
about
that
internally
and
I
appreciate
the
very
last
point
you
made
rachel-
that
I
think
we've
been
thinking
and
will
continue
to
bring
something
to
you.
We've
been
thinking
of
a
system
where
we
can
do
that
live
and
perhaps
compile
that
for
the
meeting,
because
it
is
true
that
sometimes
we
we
can
all
have
different
interpretations
of
what
that
is.
M
I
think
it
also
would
be
a
benefit
to
make
sure
that
we're
responding
to
all
of
council,
because
sometimes
we
have
gotten
back
to
people,
but
it's
to
the
individual
person
who
had
a
question
and
we've
said:
oh,
you
know
what
we'll
take
that
offline
and
we
we
spoke.
So
sometimes
it's
a
actual
ask,
and
sometimes
it's
can.
M
We
have
an
offline
conversation
and
that
happens
as
well,
so
we've
been
giving
it
a
little
bit
of
thought
and
allow
us
to
continue
to
do
that,
but
we
hear
it
and
we're
going
to
be
responsive
to
that
as
we
move
forward.
The
other
thing
I
may
note
too,
is
that
we
may
have
to
come
back
as
we're
looking
at
those
and
determine
with
you
all.
M
If
that
is
actually
just
a
question
that
we're
following
up
on
or
is
that,
like
a
request
for
staff
action
that
may
require
a
different
kind
of
action,
it
may
require
a
not.
It
may
require
something
else,
but
I
think
actually
tracking
it
will
help
us
do
that,
and
so
I
I
we
think
it's
it
can
be
a
useful
consideration
or
useful
tool
for
ourselves
as
well
and
have
been
thinking
in
cmo
about
how
best
to
do
that.
So
we
will.
We
will
get
back
to
you
on
that
track.
C
Okay,
I'm
seeing
general
agreement
very
good
thanks
for
that
mary.
That's
very
helpful.
Okay!
Next,
consider
balancing
the
impact
of
landmarking
discussions
on
council
agenda
capacity
and
discuss
whether
changes
the
process
should
be
made,
and
rachel
is
this
yours
as
well.
J
Could
have
been,
but
let's
give
other
people
an
opportunity
to
see
if
it
was
theirs
as
well.
It's
something
sorry
I
don't.
I
don't
have
my
list
right
in
front
of
me.
I've
just
got
the
compiled
list
here.
C
S
I
I
may
have
put
this
down
too,
and
so
there
may
have
been
a
few
culprits,
certainly
one
I
was
thinking
of
yeah.
So
I'll
just
I
mean
I'll
say
a
little
bit
about
it.
S
A
lot
of
this,
a
lot
of
landmarks
come
across
our
our
table
and
I
think
one
thing
that
would
be
helpful
is
you
know
this
is
where
we
kind
of
rely
somewhat
on
our
boards
and
commissions
a
bit
that
if
something
is
unanimously
supported
by
a
board
and
staff
agrees,
I
don't
know
if
it
needs
to
come
across
our
desk.
S
I
mean,
I
think
we
can
sort
of
these
are
things
where
we
can
streamline
where
we
put
faith,
you
know
somewhat
downstream
a
little
bit
or
say
upstream,
because
it
actually
is
starting
up
there
before
it
ends
up
on
our
table,
and
so
I
think
this
is
one
of
those
instances
where
we
could
do
that
and
if
there's
like
you
know
one
descent
on
a
landmark,
oh
yeah
sure
we'll
hear
it
because
I
think
that's
fair,
but
if
it's
unanimity
across
staff
in
the
border,
I
think
it's
maybe
a
fair
thing
to
kind
of
say:
hey,
you
know
what
we
don't
need
to
see.
S
It
necessarily
and
we
can
just
move
it
on
through.
I
think
that's
something
we
could
consider
on
a
lot
of
different
fronts,
but
landmarking
is
one
that
has
shown
up
a
lot
and
so
anyway,
that
that
was
at
least
my
impetus
for
why.
I
thought
this
would
be
something
for
us
to
consider.
D
C
S
That's
that's
sort
of
where,
where
I
was
starting
was
at
least
with
something
like
that,
and
and
so
that
that
that's.
That
was
a
start.
I
think
there
might
be
other
discussions
about
landmarking
criteria,
but
that's
a
different
beast
unto
itself,
but
certainly
as
it
regards
to
our
agenda.
That
was
where
I
was
starting
it,
but
I
can't
speak
to
others
that
may
have
also
been
recommending
a
similar
thing
if,
in
fact,
there
were
others
that
put
that
out
there
on
their
list.
C
Very
good
tara,
rachel,
martin.
B
I
agree
with
matt
on
this
one
and
I
don't
know
if
it's
appropriate
or
not,
and
if
it's
not
just
don't
even
bring
it
up.
I
think
the
same
thing
for
me
would
go
with
when
we
called
things
up
that
were
approved
100
by
the
planning
council.
Is
there
something
in
our
charter
or
code
that
says
that
we
have
to
then
talk
about
that
as
well
or
but
that's
neither
here
nor
there.
I
agree
with
matt.
C
Very
good
and
well
you
know,
and
before
rachel
lauren
I
go
to
you
brad.
I
I
see
that
you
popped
up.
Brad
muller,
our
new
planning
director
did
you
want
to
offer
a
thought
before
I
go
to
the
other
council
comments.
P
P
P
We
do
know
in
the
case
of
landmark
decisions
that
historically
they've
been
fairly
not
to
minimize
them,
but
fairly
feel
good
kinds
of
things
where
there's
a
willing,
applicant
and
willing
consensus
around
it.
It's
been
a
little
unusual,
the
number
of
more
involved
ones,
maybe
under
this
council's
tenure,
but
that
all
being
said
there
certainly
is
a
philosophical
idea
which
a
staff
is
happy
to
support.
P
C
H
J
I
guess
if,
if
I
had,
if
I
was
the
one
who
raised
this
or
if
I
were
raising
it,
one
thing
I
would
want
to
look
at
is
how
the
last
kind
of
difficult
landmarking
decision
came
up
for
us
and
it
felt
not
ripe
like
we
wanted
to
to
really
delay.
Looking
at
the
fan,
shell,
you
know
the
the
green
space
around
it
and
nothing
was
due
to
happen
on
it
and
it
was
internally
conflict
and
my
personal
thing
was
like.
I
don't
want
to
look
at
it
again.
J
We've
already
spent
you
know
the
hours
now
and
it
like,
where
the
process
triggered
that
would
sort
of
require
us
to
look
at
a
non-ripe
landmark
application.
If
we
can
fix
that
or
amend
that,
I
would
be
in
favor.
I
don't
know,
I
don't
know
if
that's
a
charter
change,
I
don't
know
how
hard
that
is,
but
that
just
seemed
kind
of
silly
to
me.
R
I
was
also
thinking
about
you
know.
We
could
use
public
comment
too,
as
somewhat
of
a
gauge
like
if
there
isn't
anyone
signed
up
for
public
comment
on
a
landmark
when
it
comes
up,
and
we
could
ask
you
know,
do
we
need
a
presentation
on
this?
Are
we
comfortable,
like
essentially
going
forward
with,
what's
been
decided
so
that
that
might
help.
F
P
Sure
I
appreciate
that
councilmember
polkerts.
I
do
think
that
we
need
to
check
with
the
city
attorney's
office
about
whether
we
can
kind
of
do
those
on
the
fly
given
legal
noticing
and
some
things
like
that,
but
understand
the
spirit
of
your
suggestion.
G
Thank
you.
I
just
have
a
question.
I
really
don't
know
how
I
feel
about
this.
I
know
the
last
time
the
landmarking
issue
that
came
before
council.
It
seemed
if
I
remember
correctly,
city
staff
had
one
proposal
and
the
landmark
board
had
another
proposal.
G
P
I
I
would
characterize
what
happened
in
terms
of
those
competing
ideas
if
you
will
as
being
a
real
outlier.
P
So
I
really
don't
believe
that
we
would
need
to
necessarily
look
at
trying
to
accommodate
those
kind
of
exceptions,
but
I'll
talk
with
staff
to
see,
if
that's,
maybe
more,
of
a
situation
that
I'm
aware
of,
but
coming
in
new,
I
was.
I
found
that
as
an
unusual
dynamic
that
he
had
evolved,
I
think
kind
of
organically
out
of
the
interplay
of
the
different.
G
C
Rachel's
rules
of
order,
tara.
C
Great
nuria
and
then
I'll
maybe
add
one
thing.
M
Thanks
mayor-
and
I
just
wanted
to
get
some
clarification,
what
I
think
we
heard
was
and
and
so
just
wanted
to
be
clear
on
it,
not
perhaps
at
this
time,
although
I
appreciate
you
brad
and
your
willingness
to
rethink
some
of
this
in
the
future.
But
at
this
point
at
time,
what
I'm
hearing
is
a
desire.
Everything
comes
to
counsel
it's,
whether
or
not.
M
If
there
is
agreement
between
staff
and
the
landmark
board,
then
it
can
be
placed
on
consent
versus
being
in
the
call
up
section,
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
I
was
hearing
that
correctly
and
that
would
require
certainly
a
code
change,
so
we'd.
Bring
that
to
council.
Is
that
what
I'm
is
that?
What
I
heard
correctly.
C
Well,
I
would
say
that
that
I
definitely
heard
that
and
that
there
seems
to
be
some
consensus
on
that,
so
that
that
would
be
great
to
get.
I
think,
to
get
a
code
change
for
that,
but
also
just
to
think
about.
If
there
are
maybe
other
ways
to
streamline
how
we
consider
you
know
landmark
things
in
general,.
M
S
Okay,
I'm,
I
would
say
so
yeah.
I
think,
with
regards
to
criteria
that
may
be
pushed
back
down
to
the
landmarks
board
is
what
is
the
criteria
in
which
we
used
to
even
evaluate
landmarking?
To
begin
with
that,
that
was
maybe,
where
I
was
going
a
little
bit
with
that,
but
that
we
might
be
saying
the
same
thing
so
so
pardon
if
it's
redundant.
C
Thanks
for
that
and
then
so
that
sounds
good
and
then
tara.
I
just
wanted
to
address
something
else
that
you
brought
up
about
planning
board
decisions.
You
know
we
it's
always
up
to
council's
discretion,
whether
we
want
to
call
something
up
or
not.
That's
you
entirely
up
to
counsel
each
time
we
do
have
a
a
bit
of
a
habit
of
having
a
short
presentation
about
development
projects
that
are
of
a
certain
scope.
So,
even
if
it
seems
like
planning
board
passed
it
unanimously,
and
it's
maybe
unlikely
that
council
would
call
it
up.
C
If
it's
you
know
nine
acres
or
something
that
we
might
have
a
short
presentation.
Just
so
there's
some
visibility
on
something
of
that
sense
and
we'll
always
take
feedback.
We
feel
like
the
balance,
isn't
quite
right.
D
C
Good,
all
right
so
moving
on
to
number
eight
brad
thanks
so
much
for
that.
That
was
very
helpful.
It
was
great
to
have
you
at
the
meeting
tonight,
look
forward
to
working
together
more
thank
you,
council
member
expectations
for
engaging
on
council-related
issues
outside
of
regular
meetings.
Are
there
courtesies
council
members
owe
each
other
and
how
they
represent
each
other,
their
views
as
individuals
and
a
working
body
outside
of
regular
meetings?
C
So
nicole,
this
was
yours,
so
maybe
I'll,
let
you
speak
to
this
about.
You
know
exactly
what
you
want
to
talk
about
here
and
look
for.
If
you
don't
mind.
T
Thanks
yeah,
I'm
happy
to
do
that,
and
I'm
wondering
for
this.
For
this
conversation,
is
it
okay
to
take
down
the
slides,
so
we
can
see
each
other.
Thank
you.
This
one
is
just
it's
a
little
personal
for
me.
It's
it.
T
Just
kind
of
gets
gets
into
some
places
where
I'm
gonna
be
a
little
vulnerable,
so
appreciate
seeing
all
of
you,
since
we
can't
have
this
conversation
in
person,
so
this
request
arose
out
of
some
statements
that
one
of
us
made
in
a
newsletter
last
week
that
misrepresented
the
decisions
that
I
and
others
here
on
council
have
made.
T
So
I'd
like
us
to
discuss
here
how
we
represent
each
other's
motives
and
intentions
in
a
way
that's
accurate
and
that
conveys
the
trust
we
show
for
each
other.
As
colleagues
when
we're
here
in
these
meetings
as
a
queer
woman,
who's
never
quite
fit
the
mold
for
how
a
woman
is
expected
to
act.
This
type
of
behavior
really
exacerbates
the
mistrust
that
I
and
others
in
our
community
experience
every
day.
T
T
So
what
I'd
like
us
to
do
is
to
consider
a
new
commitment
or
a
rule
that
will
help
us
be
able
to
express
our
own
opinions
and
dissent
publicly,
while
respecting
a
commitment
to
accuracy
and
transparency
in
that
public
dialogue,
and
I
want
to
be
really
really
really
clear
that
I'm
not
saying
we
shouldn't
disagree
or
have
different
views.
Disagreement
is
good
and
healthy,
and
when
it's
done
with
a
commitment
to
mutual
understanding
and
accurate
representation,
it
can
help
us
make
better
decisions.
T
But
if
not
I'm
wondering
if
we
can
at
least
agree
that
we'll
empower
the
people
we're
talking
about
to
share
their
own
perspective
with
our
audience,
and
I
don't
know
what
we
call
this
role.
Maybe
discourse
not
division,
as
one
of
my
more
word-friendly
colleagues
suggested,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
help
all
of
us
myself
included,
be
able
to
advocate
for
things
that
we
care
about
in
a
way
that
lifts
up
our
own
ideas
without
stoking
unfounded
fear,
mistrust
and
confusion.
T
D
Thanks
dad,
nicole,
I
appreciate
you
sharing
that
and
so
do
we
have
questions
or
responses
to
nicole's
statement
with
that
mark
and
then
matt.
I
Yeah,
I
I
appreciate
your
concerns,
nicole,
but
I'm
not
really
sure
where
you
want
us
to
go
with
that
in
a
context
where
we
do
have
disagreements,
they
have
to
be
articulated.
I
think
courtesy
is
a
value.
I
appreciate
it
at
all
times.
I
I
certainly
would
wouldn't
want
somebody
to
characterize
me
as
a
you
know,
the
running
dog
of
capitalism
or
something,
but
people
have
a
right
to
to
vigorously
promote
their
beliefs,
and
I
don't
want
that
to
cause
you
pain,
but
I
think
it
is
important
that
people
be
able
to
advocate
in
that
fashion,
if
you
may
disagree
with
the
nature
of
those
comments
or
how
you
believe,
you're
being
characterized
and
you're,
always
free
to
do
so
and
and
to
respond
accordingly,
but
to
the
extent
that
that
you're
asking
council
members
to
restrain
their
speech,
I'm
I'm
just
not
sure
that
that's
a
value
I
would
want
to
accept
for
the
council.
I
I
It'll
happen
to
me
and
it'll
happen
by
me:
that's
the
nature
of
robust
debate
in
a
democratic
society,
so
I'm
just
not
sure
where
you
want
to
take
this
in
terms
of
moving
from
a
statement
of
principle
to
something
that
is
actionable
by
this
council
and
not
only
actionable
but
enforceable
by
this
council.
I
I
think
you
know
this
may
be
a
little
bit
of
a
step
too
far
in
terms
of
restraints
on
the
way
which,
with
which
we
communicate
outside
of
this
meeting.
I
D
C
T
No
I'm
happy
to,
and
and
mark
I
apologize
if
I
was
not
clear,
I
really
welcome
disagreement.
I
think
that
is
a
key
component
of
our
work
together,
we
have
to
disagree.
T
What
I
would
like
us
to
think
about
is
when
we
are
getting
at
our
each
other's
motives
and
intentions
and
representing
them
in
ways
that
maybe
aren't
quite
representing
our
actual
motives
and
intentions.
How
are
we
speaking
to
each
other's
motives
and
intentions?
Right?
I
think
if
you
look
in
a
healthy
kind
of
team
functioning
within
an
organization
right
generally,
they
will
welcome
disagreement
when
the
disagreement
is
around
ideas.
T
Facts
right:
a
sort
of
shared
pool
of
knowledge
where
it
gets
really
hard
for
people
to
be
willing
to
speak
up
and
disagree
and
the
things
that
can
shut
down
those
very
healthy
discussions
where
we're
disagreeing
is
when
people
are
making
judgments
about
people's
motives
and
intentions,
and-
and
that
is
the
point
where
it
starts
to
become
hurtful
right
where
everybody
here,
I
see
you
all
as
very
intelligent,
thoughtful
people,
but
if
I'm
going
out
into
the
community
and
speaking
of
you
as
if
you're,
not
intelligent
and
thoughtful
people,
that's
not
a
healthy
thing
for
your
trust
in
me,
for
my
trust
in
you
and
for
our
communities,
trust
and
us
as
a
body
that
is,
is
making
decisions
for
the
city.
T
So
I
don't
know
if
that
clarifies
it.
It's
not
at
all
to
stop
us
from
talking
about
the
things
that
we
are
interested
in.
It's
asking
us
to
focus
not
on
each
other,
not
on
our
our
intentions
and
motivations,
but
rather
on
the
things
that
we're
discussing
the
issues,
our
policy
proposals.
Those
are
the
things
that
we
can
stay.
I
think
and
have
really
good
disagreements
on.
T
Yeah,
so
I
mean,
I
guess
maybe
this
this
is
a
question
then
around
how
we're
engaging
with
the
public
right
and
when,
when
we
have
venues
that
not
all
of
us
have
access
to,
how
are
we
representing
each
other
in
those
spaces,
because
I
don't
necessarily
have
access
to
the
same
groups
that
you
all
have
access
to
and
if
I'm
being
misrepresented,
what
do
I
do
about
that?
So
it's
just
like
this
is
a
question
right
I
mean.
T
I
think
this
is
an
example
of
the
healthy
disagreement
that
that
I
think
is
wonderful
for
us
to
have,
and
you
know
the
conversation
and
what
I
want
to
think
about
is
how
do
we
take
this
that
we
this
atmosphere?
We
create
here
right
where
we're
deeply
listening
to
each
other
and
trying
to
understand
each
other's
points
of
views
and
not
questioning
our
motives
or
intentions
and
extend
that
out
to
when
we
are
in
the
community
working
with
others.
That's
that's.
All
I'm
trying
to
do
is
carry
forward
this
environment.
S
I
applaud
you,
nicole
for
for
two
things,
one
bringing
up
this
subject,
but
also
speaking
your
truth.
I
think
that's
really
important
and
I
think
it's
an
incredible
first
step
for
the
growth
of
our
council
as
individuals
as
a
as
a
unit,
but
also
a
good
example
for
our
community,
and
so
thank
you
for
that.
S
I
will
only
just
speak
to
what
is
important
for
the
discourse
that
we
want
in
our
community.
How
do
we
set
the
example
based
on
what
we
see
nationally
at
the
state
level?
How
are
we
the
change
we
embody
for
the
world
for
this
country,
for
the
state
for
the
city
that
we're
fortunate
enough
to
be
elected
to
be
stewards
of,
and
if
we
can't
do
it
here,
where
else
can
it
happen,
and
I
think,
assuming
with
intentions,
is
assuming
the
best
intentions
of
an
individual
and
then
maybe
just
disagreeing
on
outcome
or
process.
S
Are
we
going
to
make
some
changes?
Do
we
hold
each
other
to
some
commitment?
Is
it
it
doesn't
have
to
be
enforceable,
but
but
to
mark's
point
I
actually
see
this
as
opposite.
I
don't
see
this
as
an
infringement
or
a
restriction
of
speech.
I
see
this
is
actually
an
empowerment
of
better
speech
and
and
a
more
enlightened
society
when
we
can
operate
in
in
a
intention
where
we
see
the
best
intentions
of
others,
even
though
we
disagree.
So
thank
you,
nicole,
for
bringing
this
up.
I
appreciate
that.
J
Yeah
thanks
nicole,
I
very
much
appreciate
the
vulnerability
and
bringing
something
up.
That
was
not
comfortable,
that's
brave
and
I
thank
you
for
it,
and
I
agree
with
you
that
it's
very
unfortunate
we're
not
operating
on
shared
facts,
and
we
should
all
be
trying
to
do
that,
and
I
personally
try
very
hard
not
to
say
especially
publicly
disparaging
things
about.
Colleagues,
I
don't
think
it
helps
our
effort
like
I
don't.
J
I
don't
really
think
we're
a
team
because
we're,
I
think
individually,
we
are
trying
to
advocate
for
what
we
think
is
best
for
the
community,
and
you
know
I'm
not
my
job
I
do
not
believe
is
to
get
along
with
colleagues
as
much
as
it
is
to
you
know,
speak
the
truth
about
what
I
think
is
best
for
community
members
say
so
I
I
I
think
we
accomplish
more,
though.
J
If
we
are
cordial-
and
you
know
sort
of
you
can
you
can
be
on
opposite
teams
like
I,
you
know,
I
grew
up
playing
sports
and
an
athlete
and
you
can
play
hard
and
still
shake
hands,
and
you
know
you
you
don't
want
to
kneecap.
The
other
person
you
want
to.
You
know,
have
a
legal
slide
tackle,
say,
and
you
know
play
within
and
you
know
play
your
hardest,
but
within
the
rules
of
of
fair
gamesmanship,
I
guess
so
that's
what
I
I
think
you're
asking
for.
J
I
have,
though,
a
couple
times
on
a
previous
council.
There
were
a
couple
times
where
things
were
said
where
I
did
feel
like.
It
was
important
for
me
to
maybe
call
out
some
statements
that
were
were
not
comfortable
that
a
colleague
had
had
made,
and
I
did
that
for
I
felt
the
benefit
of
the
community
to
know
that
they
were
supported,
and
I
didn't
agree
with
with
that,
and
and
I
think
that
person
may
have
disagreed
with
my
interpretation.
J
So
I
would
be
leery
of
signing
on
you
know,
and-
and
you
know
there
was
talk
during
the
last
campaign
about
a
civility
pledge-
and
I
I
am
leery
of
signing
on
to
things
that
I
feel
would
would
you
know,
infringe
on
my
ability
to
use
my
voice
in
a
way
that
I
think
is
earnest
and
honest
and
advocating
for
the
community
that
I'm
trying
to
help.
So
I
I
believe
that
our
best
angels
should
be
where
we're
operating
from
and
that
we
should
be
that
we
should
be
civil.
J
And
yet
I
don't
want
to
sign
you
know
or
go
as
far
as
to
say,
I'm
not
going
to
say
something
because
I
don't
know
what
people
are
going
to
say
that
I
might
want
to
respond
to,
and
so
I'm
just
not
sure
exactly
where
to
go
with
it.
But
those
are
the
things
that
are
kind
of
rolling
around.
For
me.
D
B
Rather
I
don't
agree
with
even
our
idea
of
voting
and
not
like
attaching
moral
high
ground
or
putting
somebody
else
down,
because
they
don't
agree
with
you
the
problem
right.
We
all
want
to
do
that.
We
all
just
want
to
say
I
don't
agree
with
this.
Not
I
can't
believe
you
would
ever
do
this,
but
we
all
do
that
because
we're
all
human,
we
all
do
it.
So
I
think
for
all
of
us
I
know
for
me.
Is
I,
after
a
council
meeting
I'll
just
text
myself
I'll
say
what
did
I
do?
B
So
I
think
for
me
the
most
important
thing
is
to
just
keep
trying
to
do
the
best
that
I
can
and
to
not
impugn
anyone,
but
just
speak
about
subjects
versus
people,
but
also
to
realize
I'm
gonna
make
a
mistake.
Maybe
I
said
something
neat
about
aaron
and
I
didn't
want
to
just
kidding
here
and
I
didn't,
and
then
I
just
for
I
asked
forgiveness
or
I
say
to
myself:
don't
do
that
again
and
I
just
try
again
and
we
give
each
other.
B
You
know
forgive
each
other
and
give
each
other
benefit
of
the
doubt.
So
I
think
this
is
a
great
discussion
to
have
because
it
reminds
us
what
we'd
like
to
be
like
and
each
one
of
us
is.
I
love
this
council
each
one
of
us
wants
to
be
like
that
and
we
just
keep
pushing
forward
and
trying
to
do
the
best
that
we
can
in
that
way,.
C
Thanks
for
that,
tara,
although
I
don't
know
why
you're
always
so
mean
to
me
it
really
it's
terrible,
so
yeah,
so
nicole,
I'll
echo,
the
thanks
of
my
colleagues
for
bringing
this
up
and
for
for
being
brave
here
and
it's.
I
appreciate
it.
It's
it's
hard
to
have
the
hard
discussions
right,
but
they
need
to
be
had
sometimes,
and
you
know,
I
want
to
say
that
I
feel
like
this.
This
council
generally
does
a
really
good
job
of
working
together
well
and
of
modeling
kind
of
productive
discussions
and
disagreements.
C
You
know
at
a
time
when
you
know,
of
course
our
national
scene
is
riven
by
deep
divisions
and
and
I'm
proud
to
serve
with
this
group
of
individuals.
You
know
this
is
it's
a
great
group
of
people
that's
working
hard
for
the
benefit
of
our
community,
and
I
think
we
want
to
continue
to
try
to
model
good
behavior
that
works
against
that
deep
level
of
division
that
we're
seeing
so
much
in
our
society
and
across
the
world.
C
And
so
then
you
know
the
and
of
course,
those
deep
divisions
if
we
do
stoke
them
that
that
means
that
our
community
is
more
divided
and
it
means
that
there
are
risks
for
for
vulnerable
people
and
I'll
just
call
out
something
that
I
in
it
here
in
this
meeting
that
I've
seen
over
the
years.
That's
always
troubled
me,
which
is
that
I
see
that
our
my
female
colleagues
will
get
emails
with
such
criticisms
and
such
a
negative
belittling
tone
in
ways
that
that
I
just
don't
get
those
same
kinds
of
emails.
C
You
know
the
the
and
I've
seen
this
over
and
over
again
with
multiple
female
colleagues,
so
not
that
I'm
calling
any
individual
out
about
this,
but
I
just
want
to
call
this
out
as
a
reality
that
there
is
misogyny
at
work
in
our
our
society
and
it's
appalling,
sometimes
the
way
that
some
of
our
female
colleagues
are
treated.
And
so
you
know
we
want
to
be
careful
with
how
we
use
our
words
and
and
how
we,
you
know,
work
together.
So
I
I
wonder
if
you
know
we,
we
can't
police
each
other.
C
You
know
the
the
the
we
would
always
say
things
that
to
our
the
best
of
our
understanding
about
our
colleagues
is
accurate
and
true
about
what
they've
said
and
the
things
how
they've
approached
things
you
know,
and
obviously
you
know
we
can't
enforce
exactly
what
people
say.
We
free
speech
is
a
thing
I
I'm
not.
C
I
look
at
teresa
like
well,
I
don't
know
what
we
could
codify
that
we
wouldn't
get
in
deep
trouble
about,
but
I
just
wonder
if
that's
an
intention
that
we
could
have
individually
for
ourselves
is
something
that
we
strive
for,
because
you
know,
I
think
I
think
we
would
all
appreciate
it
if
each
of
us,
when
each
other
spoke
about
ourselves,
did
so
in
in
truthful
and
accurate
ways,
so
I'll
just
I'll
just
put
that
out
there.
I
Yeah,
I
I
I
kind
of
agree
with
with
rachel
on
this.
As
always,
I
prefer
civility.
I
prefer.
Obviously,
accuracy
is
important
in
in
how
we
speak,
but
there
also
has
to
be
room
for
strong
advocacy
and
that's
simply
the
nature
of
the
democratic
process.
I
We
are
nothing
like
that,
and-
and
I
don't
want
us
to
believe
that
that's
the
path
that
we're
heading
down
because
we're
not
we
are
generally
extremely
respectful
of
each
other,
and
we
we
don't
call
each
other
names
and
we,
you
know
we
don't
abuse
each
other,
but
there
has
to
be
room
for
strong
advocacy,
even
if
it
leaves
some
people
uncomfortable
and
if
you
think
that
that
something
has
been
said
about
you,
that
is
wrong.
I
There
is
a
way
to
combat
that
that
is
to
you
know,
articulate
the
other
position
and
why
you
think
it's
wrong
and
and
make
that
public.
I
I
just
don't.
I
just
don't
know
where
this
goes
as
a
matter
of
policy
as
a
as
a
matter
of
intent.
I
think
we're
all
probably
in
agreement,
but
as
a
matter
of
policy
I
think
trying
to
regulate
our
speeches
is,
for
me
simply
a
bridge
too
far.
C
Thanks
mark
lauren
and
genie.
R
R
R
I
think
it's
a
failure
on
us
personally,
because
that's
a
failure
to
listen
and
it's
a
failure
to
understand
part
of
you
know
probably
a
significant
portion
of
our
community,
and
so
I
think
that,
while
I
believe
in
strong
advocacy,
I
think
that.
R
Again,
sticking
to
the
factual
and
sort
of
representing
the
ideas
and
the
arguments
that
are
happening
in
our
community
with
sort
of
the
most
grace
and
the
most
support
for
a
variety
of
points
of
view
is
beneficial
and
brings
credibility
to
all
of
us
as
individuals
and
as
a
group,
and
I-
and
I
think
that
you
know
on
the
opposite
side
of
that-
that,
as
has
been
touched
on,
we
don't
all
criticism
lands
on
different
people
differently.
There
are
ideas
that
stick
to
some
of
us,
more
than
others
being
young
and
female.
R
When
people
imply
that
I
am
not
as
smart
or
not
as
diligent
or
something
like
that,
that
has
a
tendency
to
stick
to
me
more
than
it
does
some
of
my
male
colleagues,
and
I
think
that
we
should
be
careful
with
that
and
careful
that
we
aren't
putting
each
other
in
situations
where
we're
forced
to
spend
extra
time
defending
ourselves
for
things
that
aren't
helping
bring
the
community
forward
move,
move
issues
forward
and
you
know,
are
more
about
these
personal
attacks.
R
You
know
just
like
we
have
the
no
surprises
rule,
which
is
not
a
rule
that
we
can
like
hold
each
other
too
hard
and
fast.
It
seems
like
we
could.
I
liked
your
suggestion
aaron
around
just
having
an
idea
that
we
are
working
towards
in
terms
of
a
general
understanding
for
what
our
goals
are
when
we
are
communicating
around
each
other
and
the
ideas
that
we're
discussing
here.
C
Thanks
lauren
junie
and
then
maybe
we
can
come
back
to
the
call.
G
Thank
you.
This
is
a
very
difficult
conversation
and
I
appreciate
nicole
bringing
this
forward.
G
It's
not
easy
and
I
do
agree
with
matt
it's
about
accountability,
and
I
understand
you
know
mark's
point
about
having
opened
this
course
allowing
people
to
express
themselves,
but
I
think,
even
as
community
leaders
there's
a
level
of
accountability
that
is
needed,
I
I
like
the
idea
of
a
commitment
to
accuracy
and
transparency
and
how
we
express
ourselves.
G
I
have
since
I've
been
on
council
and
I
can
say
that,
have
I
always
been
accurate,
probably
not,
and
I
like
the
idea
of
the
discourse
and
not
division.
I
like
that,
but
also
too,
the
thing
is
what
I
hear
from
some
of
us
is
a
lack
of
how
do
I
put
it
acknowledgement.
G
You
know,
but
I
always
remember
something
I
heard
from
michelle
obama,
because
you
know
she
she's
of
our
time
and
she
said
something
along
the
line
that
it
is
not
about
you
when
you're
a
public
servant,
it's
about
the
people
you
serve
so
a
lot
of
times.
I
just
kept
quiet,
kept
pushing.
You
know
whether
it's
sexism
or
all
the
other
ism
I
kept
pushing.
Knowing
that
I
don't
want
it
to
be
about
me.
G
G
Lgbtq
ai
is
not
just
a
theory
in
your
mind,
it
has
to
be
something
that
you
live,
and
how
do
you
live
that
by
the
way
you
communicate
and
engage
in
the
way
you
engage
each
other,
so
if
you're
using
dehumanizing
language
in
the
way
you
communicate
with
me?
What
do
you
expect
me
to
believe?
How
do
you
expect
me
to
feel
so
to
me?
G
I
really
appreciate
you
bringing
this
forward
nicole,
thank
you
for
doing
that.
It
will
bring
a
bigger
conversation
in
our
community
because
we
are
a
very
educated
community,
we're
very
smart
community
and
we,
we
say
all
the
right
stuff.
We
do
all
the
time,
so
it's
a
matter
of
ensuring
that
our
actions
and
our
words
match.
So
thank
you
for
bringing
that
forward.
C
It's
very
powerfully
spoken
juni.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much
for
that.
So,
nicole,
we
we've
had
a
a
conversation
here
amongst
ourselves.
So
I'd
like
to
turn
back
to
you
to
see
how
you're
feeling
about
what
you
put
out
here
and
what
you
feel
where
we
are
and
what
next
steps
might
be.
T
Yeah,
you
know,
I
really
appreciate
everybody's
comments
and
thoughts
here
right.
I
think
this.
This
right
here
is
an
example
of
how
we
can
have
a
hard
conversation
through
disagreement,
trying
to
understand
each
other
and
and
figure
out
how
we
can
move
forward
from
here.
So
thank
you.
All
this,
I
think,
was
a
beautiful
model
of
how
we
can
do
this
for
the
community.
T
I
think
you
know
I
heard
a
couple
of
folks
said
things
that
just
really
stuck
out
to
me
as
little
phrases.
Tara,
you
said
speak
about
subjects
rather
than
people
aaron.
You
said
speaking
truthfully
about
our
colleagues.
You
know
juni,
I
think
and
lauren
both
noted
accuracy
and
transparency
of
information,
so
it
does
feel
like
there
are
some
things
that
some
of
us
are
converging
on.
I
do
not
mean
to
go
down
a
civility
pledge
route
or
anything
like
that.
T
What
I'm
trying
to
do
is
not
not
constrain
us,
but
rather
invite
us
to
a
higher
level
of
conversation
where
we
can
stay
focused
on
issues
where
we
can
demonstrate
the
respect
that
we
have
here
in
our
meetings.
When
we
leave
these
meetings,
I
was
going
to
say
spaces,
but
we're
not
all
in
the
same
spaces
right
now,
because
I
I
think
what
what
maybe
folks,
who
are
not
part
of
these
marginalized
groups
and-
and
I
consider
myself
a
very
privileged
person,
despite
identifying
as
queer.
T
I
don't
know
that
it's
possible
to
see
the
level
of
anger
and
vitriol
that
is
rising
against
marginalized
groups,
even
here
in
our
own
community,
unless
you're
a
part
of
that
group,
and
so
when
we
are
putting
things
out
there
that
are
stoking
that
that
division
and
anger
at
each
other
and
calling
into
question
who
we
are
as
people
and
misrepresenting
us
as
not
being
intelligent
and
thoughtful.
T
It
is
adding
fuel
to
that
fire
and-
and
I
think
oftentimes
we
as
a
city,
think
about
ourselves
as
being
exceptional
that
we're
somehow
different
from
the
rest
of
the
country
and
and
truthfully
when
it
comes
to
inclusion
and
diversity
and
equity.
We're
not
and-
and
I
would
really
love
for
people
just
to
hear
that
as
well
from
somebody
who
is
part
of
the
lgbt
community.
We
are
not.
T
We
put
up
pride
flags,
but
you
know
you
are.
You
are
very
you're.
You
may
get
yelled
at
when
you're
walking
down
the
street
here
right.
It's
it's!
It's
not
that
different.
So
I
think
to
the
degree
that
we
we
could
commit
to
trying,
as
tara
said
right,
it's
a
work
in
progress
constantly
to
speak
truthfully
about
each
other
to
stick
to
issues
and
subjects
rather
than
people.
C
What
what
where
does
that
put
us
as
a
next
step,
like
thinking
about
trying
to
put
together
like
a
note
in
our
procedures,
something
that
we
would
strive
to
always
speak
truthfully
and
accurately
about
each
other
in
all
forums?
Something
like
I
mean
that
was
kind
of
my
idea,
so
I'm
not
trying
to
put
words
in
your
mouth,
but.
T
No,
no,
I
mean,
I
think,
that's
right
right
and
I'm
still
relatively
new,
I'm
not
sure
where,
where
the
best
spots
are
for
this
kind
of
thing
here,
and
so
you
know,
I
would
defer
to
your
judgment
and
stops
around
where
something
like
this
might
be
included
right.
It's
not
a
hard
and
fast
rule.
It's
going
to
be
hard
to
enforce,
but
but
something
something
that
just
reflects
our
commitment
to
each
other.
H
Certainly,
you
know
it's
aspiration
aspirational
in
nature
for
sure,
but
we
could
look
at
putting
something
in
the
procedures.
What
I've?
What
I
have
heard
is
speak
about
subjects
rather
than
people,
a
commitment
to
speak
about
subjects
rather
than
people
and
to
speak
about
colleagues
and
issues
with
accuracy
and
truthfulness
in
all
forums.
C
C
Raise
your
hand,
please
tara.
We've
got
a
lot
of
comments
here,
all
right
and
it's
getting
late
folks,
but
I
know
this
is
an
important
topic
mark
rachel,
matt,
tara.
I
I
There's
a
difference
between
what
we
ask
of
each
other
as
a
matter
of
principle
and
what
we
try
to
enforce
against
each
other.
The
latter
to
me
is
is
out
of
bounds.
The
former
is
is
fine.
You
know
I.
I
have
no
problem
with
our
desiring
to
speak
well
of
each
other
and
to
treat
each
other
well,
even
as
we
disagree,
but
you
know
the
concept
that
we
will
speak.
Truthfully
is
a
little
bit
subjective
and
we
need
to
understand
that
and
I
don't
think
it.
I
It
translates
into
an
enforceable
standard
that
we
should
be
applying
against
one
another.
It's
not
the
same
thing
as
saying
you
know.
I
say
the
earth
is
flat.
That's
a
fact:
it's
false!
It's
a
false
fact.
It's
not
true,
but
other
things
are
more
of
a
subject
of
opinion,
a
subject
of
perspective
and
that's
simply
the
way
it
is.
C
So
I
think
that
mark
and
if
folks
will
indulge
me
to
just
respond
real
quick,
I
I
wonder
if
the
language
could
be
something
like
we
will
strive
for.
You
know
truthfulness
and
accuracy
and
such
to
junie's
point
we've
all
made
statements
that
were
inaccurate
right.
You
know,
and
I
think
generally
I
consider
you
all
people
of
goodwill,
so
I
don't
think
you
do
it
on
purpose.
I
don't
do
it
on
purpose,
but
we
all
get
things
wrong.
Sometimes
right.
C
So
that's
it's
inevitable
that
we
will
not
always
be
accurate,
but
it
is
something
we
could
strive
for,
potentially
so
sorry
to
interject
there,
but
rachel
matt
and
tara.
J
Yeah
I
mean,
I
guess
to
you
and
mark's
point
there
on
on
facts
like
I
think
mark
and
I
were
were
charged
with
writing
a
a
council
statement.
Responding
to
what
several
of
us
felt
was
a
pretty
flagrantly
anti-semitic
statement
a
year
or
two
ago,
and
I
would
just
say,
like
that:
draft
was
not
easy
to
to
get
sailed
through,
like
a
lot
of
people
saw.
You
know
a
comment
that
was
on
film
very
differently.
You
know
and
it
seemed
concrete
in
ways.
So
I
I
do
think
it's.
J
It
is
tricky
to
nail
down
what
what
is
factual
or
what
a
person's
intent
was.
I
guess
and-
and
I
and
I'm
I
guess,
as
someone
who
has
advocated
that
I
think
civility
pledges
can
be,
especially
as
a
woman
who
who,
as
has
been
described
in
today
or
tonight,
you
know,
gets,
gets
experiences
a
lot
of
misogyny
and
some
of
the
worst
of
what
we're
talking
about.
I
would
not
want
to
sign
on
to
something
that
further
demotes
my
ability
to
use
my
voice,
I'm
just
not
interested
in
doing
that.
J
I'm
not
interested
in
you
know,
cutting
down
or
limiting
anyone's
voices,
so
I'm
a
little
leery
of
like
we're,
not
doing
a
civility
pledge,
but
we
want
to
put
something
in
writing,
so
I
just
want
to
be
I'm
probably
in
the
minority
anyways
and
it
doesn't
really
matter,
but
I
I
would
be
opposed
to
anything
that
is
seen.
As
you
know,
I'm
I'm
I've
committed
to
not
speak
in
a
way
that
I
think
I
should
be
speaking
to
uphold
community
values.
J
D
S
I
I'm
sort
of
just
sitting
in
the
personal
and
professional
growth
that
this
conversation
has
provided
me
and
I
feel
I'm
benefited
from.
So
I
thank
you
all
for
this.
I
I
appreciate
what
rachel
had
just
said
and
and
I
I
would
generally
agree
that
I
I
don't
want
to
see
us-
make
commitments
anything
that
are
in
any
way
restrictive.
S
I
I
think
what
is
important
is
that
they
are
empowering,
and
so
things
like,
assuming
the
best
intentions
of
your
colleague,
it's
not
a
restrictive
statement.
It's
actually
an
empowering
one
that
opens
up
more
dialogue,
and
so
I
I
think
you
know
I
I
think
the
spirit
of
what
rachel
was
setting
is
spot
on
and
I
certainly
come
from
a
place
being
a
white
man
that
I
don't
know
that
I
don't
know
that
hurt
and
that
restriction
that
misogyny
places
on
women,
especially
those
I
work
with.
S
B
As
far
as
truthfully
and
accurately,
you
know
me,
I
try
to
be
accurate,
but
I'm
not
saying
that
I'm
often
accurate,
so
I
would
be
under
a
lot
of
pressure
about
accuracy
but-
and
also
I
agree
with
mark
that
truth
can
sometimes
be
subjective,
fortunately
or
unfortunately,
but
I
also
agree
with
matt
and
what
he
said
that
we
can
just
strive
to
do
the
best
that
we
can.
I
don't
know
that
we
need
to
use
words
like
truthfully
and
accurately,
but
to
strive
to
do
the
best
we
can.
I
feel
good
about
that.
B
I
I
feel
the
other
ones
might
be
subjective,
maybe
pressure,
and
maybe
we
could
maybe
we
would
like
say
you're
not
being
accurate.
I
mean
to
me
personally:
it's
not
my
best
accuracy.
I
try
hard,
you
know
what
I'm
saying,
but
I
do
like
to
tell
a
good
story,
so
I
just
I
think
appreciating
each
other's
nuances
and
the
nuances
in
humankind
as
well
as
far
as
that
goes.
That
would
be
more
of
what
I'm
looking
for.
I
guess
am
I
making
myself
probably
not
even
making
myself
clear
but
did.
C
The
best
again,
I
think
we
got
it
nicole
and
rachel,
let's
see
if
we
can
wrap
up
here.
T
I
just
aaron,
I
think
you
know
the
way
that
you
kind
of
characterized
it
earlier
really
hit
the
markets.
It's
really
about.
I
mean
facts,
do
exist
right.
Two
plus
two
is
four:
the
earth
is
a
planet
in
our
solar
system
right.
These
are
facts.
Right
that
exist
where
we
run
into
trouble
is
when
we
start
stating,
as
fact
or
implying
things
about
things
that
we
can't
see
right
people's
intentions
and
motives
that
only
really
exist
in
our
heads
until
we
put
them
out
into
the
world.
T
So
it's
really
that
that
that
I'm
looking
for
right
in
meetings.
If
somebody
says
something
that
mischaracterizes
me,
I
can
correct
that
when
we're
out
in
the
public,
I
can't
do
that
and,
as
lauren
said,
those
mischaracterizations
stick
to
some
of
us
more
than
others,
so
as
we're
moving
toward
inclusion,
how?
How
can
we
commit
to
each
other
that
we
understand
this
right?
That
we
see?
I?
T
I
can't
judge
your
your
motives
and
intentions,
but
we
can
certainly
agree
that
facts
exist
right
and,
and
those
are
the
things
we
can
speak
to
pretty
easily,
I
think
without
causing
harm
to
each
other,
and
I
I
feel,
like
maybe
teresa's
kind
of
got
the
gist
can
help
us
think
about
whether
there
are
some
things
we
could.
We
could
try
rachel.
J
I'll
just
be
real,
quick.
I
wanted
to
highlight
one
thing,
nicole
said,
which
was
getting
it:
that
that
these
comments
can
can
put
people
in
harm's
way
like
actual
physical
harm's
way,
and
so
I
would
hope
that
if,
for
no
other
reason,
colleagues,
staff
members
community
members,
you
know
who
care
about
each
other's
safety.
J
None
of
us
should
be
should
be
doing
that,
but
especially
certain
demographics
are
gonna,
are
going
to
receive
the
threats
and
potential
violence
worse
than
others.
And
so
I
I
just
wanted
to
lift
that
up
one
more
time
that
it's
no
matter
what
we
do
with
this.
It's
still
important
and
if
the
words
we
use
matter
and
and
can
matter
in
physical
ways
that
some
of
us
are
at
greater
risk
than
others
here
and
in
the
community.
D
C
All
right
well,
so
I
think
I
think
we
have
a
probably
majority
interest
in
considering
something
to
this
effect
teresa.
You
know,
there's
a
process
for
changing
our
procedure,
so
this
is
not
the
end
of
this
discussion.
Just
so
everybody's
aware,
you
know
we
get
actual
words
and
we
have
to
adopt
them.
So
if
you
think
this
is
the
best
thing
ever,
the
worst
thing
ever
you'll
have
your
chance
to
talk
amongst
yourselves
and
receive
emails,
and
things
like
that.
C
Okay,
are
there
violent
objections
to
moving
this
forward,
or
can
we
ask
teresa
to
take
this
up
and
then
we'll
consider
it
more?
Okay,
all
right!
Thank
you,
colleagues
for
a
challenging,
but
I
thought
I'm
very
mature
and
healthy
discussion.
So
I
appreciate
each
and
every
one
of
you
and
your
willingness
to
come
to
the
table
and
represent
yourself
and
our
community
very,
very
well.
C
Okay,
it's
10
10.
We
have
one
council
change
left
so
if
we
could
bring
that
back
up-
and
this
is
not
the
simplest
one
either,
but
hopefully
we
can
be
fairly
constrained
in
our
discussion.
So
this
is
checking
in
on
guidelines
for
council
weighing
in
on
national
and
world
affairs
during
council
meetings.
J
Yeah,
this
came
for
me
and
I
I
think
it's
largely
just
observing,
and
I
imagine
it's
because
there's
more
happening
right
now.
You
know
with
supreme
court
decisions
and
wars
and
things
than
in
in
my
first
two
years,
but
we
are
scheduling
more
time
to
sort
of
discuss
things
that
are
not
on
the
work
plan,
and
I
wondered
if
there
was
if
we
could
have
some
guidelines
around
like
you
know
how
we
do
that
and
when
we
do
it,
one
thought
I
have
is:
can
we
at
least
put
it
under
matters
for
council?
J
So
it's
not
at
the
beginning
of
meetings,
so
people
are
waiting
to
speak,
we're
not
holding
up
the
individuals
who
are
there
or
staff
members.
If
we
have
a
last-minute
declaration
or
want
to
speak
to
something,
I
think
it's
totally
appropriate
to
do
it
under
matters,
but
we
we
are.
I
would
love
for
us
to
get
through
this
work
plan.
J
I
think
we
have
a
bomber
work
plan
and
I
I
want
us
to
do
it
and
we're
struggling
to
to
schedule
and
meetings
are
going
late,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
just
put
a
spotlight
on
that
and
say:
how
can
we
tear?
I
got
a
thumbs
up
for
tara.
How
can
we
do
that
in
a
more
manageable
way
and
put
some
guardrails
guidelines
time
around
it
thanks.
C
H
C
J
Right
when
there's
kind
of
pressing
things
happening
nationally,
that
we
know
is,
is
you
know
the
the
community's
probably
experiencing
wound
like
we
are?
J
We
want
to
talk
about
it
and
I've
advocated,
like
you
know,
I
think
when,
when
the
warren
ukraine
started,
I
was
one
who
wanted
us
to
do
a
declaration,
and
now
I
wonder
if
that
was
sounds
like.
Maybe
that
was
inappropriate
because
we
haven't,
you
know,
dedicated
sufficient
resources
to
that
war
before
so.
Maybe
that
should
not
have
happened.
Apologies.
J
Okay,
so
yes,
then,
there's
an
example
of
one
that
that
you
know
we
we
took
time
and,
and
many
of
us
spoke
on
it
and-
and
you
know
we
also
have
like
our
you
know.
If
you've
got
a
twitter
account
or
whatever
we
can
speak
there,
so
just
kind
of
generally
wanting
to
know
like
what.
What
should
we
be
using
these
precious
now
thursday
night
minutes
to
accomplish
versus
what
should
we
be
doing
on
our
own
time
versus?
Where
should
we
put
it?
If
we
think
it's,
it's
council
relevant
thanks.
D
B
I
agree
with
you
rachel.
I
I
just
want
to
say
a
quick
word
about
declarations.
We
have
an
awful
lot
of
declarations
and
sometimes
they're
super
long
about
so
many
things
and
I'm
wondering
if
we
have
to
have
so
many
and
I
want
to
honor
each
person
and
their
declaration,
I'm
not
putting
any
declarations
down,
I'm
just
saying:
can
they
be
way
shorter
and
can
we
do
less
or
the
other
thing
I'm
thinking
with
declarations
is
somebody
might
say?
Well
what
about
my
favorite
declaration?
What
about
my
favorite
subject?
B
So
then
you
start
saying:
well,
I
want
somebody
to
talk
about
mine.
So
to
me
it's
a
question
of
like
how
many
and
how
much
I'm
just
going
to
leave
it
like
that
and
see
what
the
rest
of
council
thinks
about
either
shortening
and
also
lessening
because
declarations
could
take
a
considerable
enemy
time.
I'm
just
saying
tonight.
C
Well,
I
just
say,
charlie,
I
think,
let's
talk
through
this
non-declaration
resolution
stuff.
First,
if
you
don't
mind
and
then
maybe
we
can
come
come
back
to
that,
but
I
hear
I
hear
your
points,
I'm
not
invalidating
that,
but
let's
stick
to
rachel's
all
right.
Stick
to
your
current
point.
J
C
I
Actually
this
is
this
is
a
little
bit
tricky,
at
least
for
me.
I
don't
think
the
city
council
of
boulder
requires
a
foreign
policy.
I
I
don't
know
how
you
would
avoid
commentary
on
the
supreme
court's
decision
on
abortion,
so
I
I
don't
know
where
the
line
is.
I
don't
know
where
the
balancing
point
is,
but
there
are
some
things
that
scream
for
some
degree
of
commentary,
despite
the
fact
that,
as
a
body,
we
are
ill-equipped
to
be
setting
national
or
foreign
policy.
I
Having
said
that,
there
are
times
you
got
to
speak
and,
and
certainly
on
the
abortion
decision
on
the
gun
decision
on
ukraine.
Comments
were
required,
even
if
it
lengthens
the
meeting
a
little
bit.
I
I
just
don't
know
how
you
can
abdicate.
I
Not
responsibility
but
interest
in
in
those
topics.
I
wouldn't
want
us
to
be
commenting
on
a
senate
race
in
florida,
despite
the
fact
that
we
may
all
have
a
view
on
that
senate
race
in
florida.
It's
just
not
what
we
do,
but
some
some
issues
are
fairly
transcendent
and
are
appropriate
for
this
body
to
ex
not
express
a
policy
so
much
as
a
point
of
view,
and-
and
I
would
not
like
us
to
abandon
the
ability
to
do
that
in
those
cases
where
you
have
such
a
transcendent
issue.
T
Thank
you
mark.
I
I
couldn't
agree
with
you
more
that
that
kind
of
captures
a
lot
of
my
thoughts
and
what
I
would
like
to
offer
are
perhaps
a
couple
of
perspectives.
That
may
add
some
sort
of
research
and
reasons
for
why
why
we
may
want
to
consider
engaging
in
this
some
way,
and
then
I
also
have
an
idea
that
I
bring
from
my
own
work
at
the
university
to
share
out
as
a
way
that
we
could
potentially
help
bring
this
in
and
also
give
us
these
opportunities.
T
T
T
That
shows
that,
when
top
level,
executives
or
management
have
empathy
with
others
in
the
organization,
it
increases,
retention
of
staff
and
staff
are
more
likely
to
leave
when
when
that
empathy
doesn't
exist,
and
so
I
think
these
opportunities
can
be
a
moment
for
sharing
and
building
empathy.
It's
like
the
glue
right
that
holds
this
all
together
here
on
council
and
with
the
with
staff,
and
the
thing
that
that
we
do
in
my
staff
meetings
is
very
short.
T
It
can
last
as
much
as
five
minutes,
especially
if
you
know
a
big
group
is,
is
good
about
keeping
it
to
30
seconds.
We
do
a
quick
check-in
at
the
start
of
every
meeting.
How
are
you
today
what's
what's
hard?
What's
good?
What
is
at
the
front
of
your
mind
to
center
ourselves
before
we
head
into
the
meeting-
and
you
know
I
think,
those
kinds
of
things
right
they
don't
they
don't
require.
A
lot
of
you
know,
speeches
or
anything
like
that.
S
Man,
which
is
ironic
because
her
hand's
been
up
all
night,
so
I
thought
that
was
kind
of
fun
but
she's
hanging
in
there.
I
bet
that
arm
that
hand
has
got
to
be
throbbing
tonight,
so
hopefully
she
can
get
horizontal
and
get
that
thing
some
swelling
down.
I
appreciate
what
nicole
was
saying
about
the
empathy
I
think
that
is
spot
on.
I.
I
think
this
is
just
a
connection
back
to
having
mutual
trust
among
ourselves
as
council
members
as
colleagues
to
know.
S
Is
that
point
of
view
and
who
we
represent
and
who
we
may
may
or
may
not
connect
to
so
so
I
I
I
don't
need
I
don't
know
if
you
necessarily
put
guard
rails
on
it
sure
I
I
appreciate
the
commentary
about
the
you
know
senate
race
in
florida,
but
I
also
want
to
recognize
also
that
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
that
can
be
causing
pain
or
concern
in
our
community
and
we
and
it's
our
job
to
give
it
oxygen
to
let
them
know,
even
if
it's
one
person
that
feels
that
that
there's
someone
that
that
they
may
or
may
not
have
elected.
S
That
also
is
connecting
to
that,
and
I
think
that
builds
a
stronger
community.
So
so
I
I'm
gonna,
put
my
trust
in
the
rest
of
the
eight
of
you
to
make
that
discretionary
decision,
whether
you
feel
you
want
to
say
something
that
speaks
to
you,
that
may
speak
to
one
person
or
may
speak
to
a
hundred
thousand
people
in
our
community.
So
so
I
just
wanna.
Let
you
know
that
I
trust
you
all
to
to
figure
out
and
have
that
discretion.
C
Sad
well
I'll
call
on
myself
here
and
you
know
rachel.
I
really
appreciate
the
attempt
to
keep
us
kind
of
on
track
and
on
schedule.
I
I
I
personally
am
am
fine
with
folks
offering
a
few
brief
comments
on
on
a
critical
issue
as
long
as
we're
disciplined
and
restrained
about
it.
So
you
know
if
people
speak,
for
you
know
a
few
sentences
30
seconds
or
a
minute,
and
we
don't
all
feel
the
need
to
pile
on.
But
you
know
people
can,
you
know,
do
a
thumbs
up.
C
You
know
just
to
say
you
know
that
they
appreciate
that
other
people
did
that
something
like
that
can
be
kept
to.
You
know
two
or
three
minutes
once
every
you
know
four
council
meetings,
but
still
give
give
us
a
chance
to
express
some
reactions
to
really
visceral
critical
issues
today.
So
I
I
don't
mind
at
that
level,
I
I
would,
I
would
say
I
I
have
seen
councils
in
the
past.
C
Somebody
gave
a
long
speech
on
something
like
that
at
the
beginning
and
then,
like
all
eight
other
council
members
piling
in
and
20
minutes
later,
you
finally
get
to
the
start
of
the
meeting
and
I
don't
think
that's
a
good
practice,
but
if
we
can,
if
we
can
stay
disciplined
about
it,
I'm
I'm
comfortable
with
it.
Staying.
C
B
What
about
what
about
the
declarations.
C
V
Sure
thing,
brockett
and
tara
thanks
for
the
compliment,
actually
a
lot
of
those
come
together
through
some
joint
collaborations,
so
some
of
those
words
are
mine,
but
actually
there's
a
lot
of
sort
of
shared
authoring
of
the
declarations,
but
appreciate
that
so
this
actually
came
up
earlier
this
year.
V
Typically,
the
way
that
we've
approached
declarations
has
been
sort
of
an
ad
hoc
function:
the
council,
the
community,
even
staff,
can
recommend
declarations,
but
there's
not
always
total
consistency
in
bringing
things
up
annually.
You
know
some
years
we
might
miss
the
a
certain
declaration
for
a
certain
month,
and
so
in
order
to
establish
a
more
predictable
rhythm,
we
have
set
out
a
declaration
schedule
annually
and
put
a
little
bit
more
color
to
how
those
declarations
would
be
routinely
scheduled.
V
Now
that
said,
we
reviewed
recognition,
commemoration
opportunities
from
a
very
big
list,
and
some
of
them
are
quite
specific,
but
we
try
to
keep
it
at
a
high
level
and
again
routinely
schedule
those
ones
that
are
community
specific,
but
also
highlight
the
the
various
diverse
parts
of
our
community
and
we
landed
on
about
48
declarations
for
scheduling
annually.
Just
pre-populated
into
the
agenda
of
those
48
25
are
scheduled
at
the
end
of
your
agendas
and
never
get
a
reading
about.
G
My
my
question
is,
I
think,
from
what
I'm
hearing
from
tara
is,
for
instance,
I
know
the
schedule
as
well.
I
know
I
have
one
coming
up,
sometimes
in
october
or
november,
but
assuming
that
there
is
a
declaration
that
is
not
on
the
the
list
that
you
have
already
formatted
for
us
and
we
would
like
that
declaration
to
be
read
because
it's
something
that
is
important
to
community.
V
Absolutely
and
our
annual
rhythm
that
we've
proposed
in
no
way
precludes
additional
declaration
suggestions.
In
fact,
we're
going
to
be
reading
one
in
the
coming
weeks,
honoring
the
life
and
contribution
of
clerics
who,
unfortunately
recently
passed
this
in
no
way
says
no
to
other
declarations.
We
just
want
to
make
sure
that
one,
the
things
that
we
do
really
as
a
community
want
to
continue,
highlighting
and
bringing
recognition
to.
We
have
a
predictable
rhythm
of
bringing
them
forward
and
and
two
again
we're
we're
being
broad
and
and
diverse
in
the
recognition
that
we
do
have.
C
It's
very
good
and
I'll
just
mention
I
think,
since
this
has
been
set
up.
Maybe
some
of
us
are
being
a
little
more
disciplined
myself
included.
There
been
a
couple
resolution
requests
that
come
through
recently
that
I
thought
were
really
worth
considering,
but
I
forwarded
them
on
only
for
to
propose
to
not
be
read
but
to
be
put
on
the
end
of
the
agenda
so
as
to
to
keep
our
declaration
time
controlled.
So
tara
does
that
address
your
concern
very
good?
Okay.
C
V
But
mayor
brockett,
I'm
happy
to
offer
some
some
framing
language
just
to
help
us
understand
the
scope
of
all
of
those
changes
and
potentially
how
we
could
address
them
emily.
Could
you
go
to
the
next
slide?
I
believe
you'll
advance
too.
Actually.
V
V
If
I
remember
remembering
correctly,
this
was
a
different
council,
so
this
is
a
discussion
with
our
previous
council,
but
there
was
a
lot
of
conversation
around
boards
and
commissions
and
various
ways
that
we
could
change
how
they're
administered
and
a
couple
of
those
changes
that
came
out
of
the
retreat
were
a
standard,
onboarding
and
orientation
process
for
boards
and
commissions,
as
well
as
a
way
to
address
vacancies
during
outside
of
normal
recruitment
periods.
V
Another
conversation
that
shortly
followed
the
2021
council
retreat
was
the
racial
equity
plan
being
passed
in
february
of
2021,
and
the
racial
equity
plan
actually
lays
out
very
specific
commissions
that
address
boards
commissions
and
working
groups.
Things
like
collecting
data,
revamping
the
application
process
and
forms
ensuring
outreach
and
commitment
processes,
support
and
encourage
racial
equity,
identify
and
mitigate
barriers
and
operations,
and,
in
addition
to
both
of
those
city
conversations,
we've
also
heard
from
a
variety
of
other
sources.
V
The
council
subcommittee
on
engagement
has
recommendations.
Some
have
come
from
city
staff,
community,
connectors
and
residents
dialogue,
boulder,
which
is
a
community
group
and
boarding
commission,
liaisons
and
secretaries
themselves.
There
are
a
lot
of
recommendations
and
their
details
are
outlined
in
the
memo
for
tonight's
item
of
them,
17
have
already
been
implemented
or
planned
for
implementation.
V
Now.
That
said,
there
are
just
a
lot
of
conversations
going
on
and
staff
suggests
instead
of
taking
them
one
by
one
tonight.
Perhaps
we
could
study
a
study
or
schedule
a
study
session
later
in
the
year,
maybe
quarter
three
or
quarter
four.
Another
idea
that
came
up
is
hiring
a
consultant
to
help
support
a
real
full
system
analysis
and
provide
recommendations
for
how
we
could
really
holistically
tackle
things
around
boards
and
commissions.
V
Now
that
said,
the
subcommittee-
the
boarding
commission
subcommittee,
that
is
currently
represented
by
council
member
folkerts
and
weiner,
have
a
couple
of
high
priority
recommendations
that
they
were
hoping
could
be
considered
immediately
and
then
council
has
an
additional,
I
think,
around
six
or
seven
recommendations
for
changes
across
boards
and
commissions.
So
the
question
tonight
is:
do
do
we
address
board
and
commission
proposals
here?
Do
we
defer
some
of
them?
C
Thanks
for
that
overview,
taylor,
so
I
I'm
just
gonna-
get
us
started
with
a
proposal
here,
given
the
lateness
of
the
hour
that
we
work
on
all
of
the
boards
and
commissions
proposals
together
at
an
upcoming
study
session,
but
tara
and
lauren.
I
know
you
had
a
couple
that
you
thought
were
potentially
could
move
forward
quickly,
but
it
seems
like
they'd,
still
take
a
decent
amount
of
discussion,
so
I
just
want
to
see
if,
if
you
all
might
be
comfortable
with
tackling
all
of
them
together
in
an
upcoming
study
session.
R
Yeah,
I
am
fine.
I
clearly
I'm
thinking
very
quickly
on
my
feet
right
now,
so
I
think
we
should
definitely
discuss
every
single
one
tonight.
No,
I
think
it
could
make
sense
to
push
them
off.
B
But
I
mean
I
wouldn't
mind
a
straw
poll
about
the
board
and
commission
liaisons,
but
is
it
too
late
for
that
probably
right.
C
C
So
anybody
feel
I
can't
quite
see
everybody's
faces,
but
would
anyone
like
to
go
ahead
and
tackle
that
topic
tonight
or
so
speak
now,
all
right,
I'm
not
I'm
not
seeing
a
lot
of
energy
for
it.
So
lauren
and
tara
appreciate
your
work
on
this.
We
will
get
to
this
before
too
long.
C
M
We
came
across
a
report
in
bloomington
that
actually
did
this
very
same
thing
and
it
is
an
approach
if
you
would
have
sort
of
an
external
or
an
outside
conversation.
So
we
pose
it
happy
to
do
that,
but
also
happy
to
take
the
smaller
items
as
we
move
forward,
because
not
everything
needs
an
approach
and
so
mayor,
I'm
happy
to
take
that
offline
and
talk
one-on-one
with
council
members
and
see
if
they
or,
if
you
all,
as
a
council
body,
would
like
us
to
consider
that.
C
C
M
No,
I
will
send
you
yep,
I'm
sorry
mayor.
I
will
send
you
that
report,
but
just
know
that
we're
ready
to
move
forward
with
a
study
session
on
the
topic
anyway,
because
certainly
these
are
things
that
we
can
do,
but
I
think
it
might
be
useful
and
for
you
all
to
have
that,
I
don't
know
if
we
had
sent
that
to
you
all
previously
but
happy
to
share
that.
R
You
know
that
this
could
be
a
fair
amount
of
work,
and
so
given
staff
constraints
and
things
like
that
to
take
this
to
the
next
level,
you
know
and
to
make
some
more
change,
major
changes.
It
probably
would
involve
a
consultant
as
opposed
to
trying
to
do
that
internally
with
sort
of
my
understanding.
So
I
think
it's
it's
not
just
do
we
want
a
consultant
or
not
it's
like
what
level
of
change
are
we
interested
in
looking
at.
S
C
So
nearly
maybe
we
can
have
some
offline
conversations
to
help
shape
direction.
There.
C
Okay,
so
taylor
does
that
bring
us
to
the
close
down
of
that
item.
V
Just
about
emily,
could
we
bring
up
the
slides
there's
a
next
step
slide,
hoping
that
we
can
get
to
second
to
last,
I
believe
just
wanted
to
let
everyone
know
coming
out
of
this
conversation.
V
Staff
will
begin
implementing
those
proposals
agreed
upon
by
council
and
perhaps
bringing
more
things
for
you
to
weigh
in
on
on
those
conversations
where
we
receive
direction
to
draft
ordinances
or
working
agreements,
and,
and
so
we'll
we'll
finally
approve
these
later
in
the
year,
and
then
the
council
retreat
committee-
I
I
know
it
just
feels
like
yesterday
we
had
our
retreat,
but
it's
almost
upon
us
again.
V
We
will
start
meeting
with
those
current
representatives,
council,
members,
spear
and
fulferts
in
august
to
plan
for
the
mid-term
check-in
retreat
currently
scheduled
for
january
13th,
just
as
a
little
context
here
the
midterm
check
and
retreat,
which
is
comes
halfway
through
the
council's
two-year
term,
typically
a
one-day
retreat
session
instead
of
a
two-day
retreat
session.
So
it
is,
like
I
said,
scheduled
on
january
13th,
and
with
that
I
my
portion
is
over.
If
there
are
no
other
questions.
C
C
Any
any
debrief
tonight
I'll
just
say
thanks
everybody
for
hanging
in
there.
It's
been
a
good
discussion.
C
All
right
seeing
none,
I
will
go
ahead
and
gavel
us
closed
at
10.
40
p.m
have
a
good
night,
everybody
and
good
to
be
on
thursdays.