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Okay,
great
thank
you
good
evening.
My
name
is
Molly
Scarborough
I'm,
a
senior
project
manager
for
the
Public
Works
Department,
we're
here
today
to
provide
information
and
get
feedback
from
you
on
our
approach
to
area
planning
for
the
Alpine
bolson
site
and
nearby
surrounding
areas.
We
will
also
provide
an
update
on
our
analysis
of
the
potential
for
reuse
of
the
existing
medical
pavilion
on
the
site
and
discuss
our
approach
for
evaluating
financing
and
partnership
strategies
for
the
area
plan.
C
Implementation,
concurrent
with
area
planning
so
difĂcil
take
the
discussion
of
each
of
these
separate
but
interrelated
topics.
We've
divided
the
presentation
into
two
parts
in
first
Lesley
Ellis,
comprehensive
planning
manager,
will
provide
background
information
on
the
central
Broadway
framework
and
objectives
that
will
guide
area
planning
for
two
of
the
central
Broadway
areas
over
the
next
year.
The
Alpine
balsam
area,
which
will
be
the
focus
of
our
presentation
tonight,
as
well
as
the
Civic
area,
East
bookend
in
Kaitlyn,
Zacharias
and
Jean
Garza,
will
present
their
approach
to
alpine
ball
scenario.
Planning
and
community
engagement.
C
Well,
then
break
for
about
an
hour
for
council
conversation
and
questions
and
feedback
on
these
items.
In
part,
two
Michele
crane
with
the
Public
Works
facilities
and
asset
management
group
will
describe
the
analysis
of
the
reuse
of
the
potential
for
the
medical
pavilion
staff
conclusions
and
next
steps
for
renovation
of
the
building,
Amanda
Beavis
will
then
discuss
our
plans
for
developing
a
financing
partnership
strategy
for
implementation
of
both
the
Alpine
balsan
and
East
book
and
area
plans
and
the
potential
city
facilities
within
them.
C
I'll
follow
up
with
a
brief
recap
of
next
steps
and
then
we'll
break
for
a
30-minute
discussion
of
these
items
wanted
to
let
you
know.
In
addition
to
these
presenters,
we
have
additional
staff
in
the
audience.
You
may
be
able
to
come
up
and
answer
questions
as
needed.
So
with
that
I'll
turn
it
over
to
Liz.
D
Okay
good
evening
so
as
Molly
mentioned
tonight,
we
are
here
to
begin
with
you
a
process
as
part
of
our
community's
vision
really
to
implement
the
comprehensive
plan
and
as
expressed
in
the
comprehensive
plan,
we
strive
together
to
create
and
preserve
a
truly
special
place
that
is
sustainable,
resilient,
equitable
and
inclusive.
And
this
part
of
these
projects
are
really
part
of
implementation
toward
our
inspired
future.
As
part
of
the
work
that
we
do
in
planning.
D
So
after
several
months
of
working
with
this
team
across
the
city
and
reaching
out
with
the
community
and
hearing
some
feedback,
I'm
honored
to
be
part
of
this
group
here,
who's
here
this
evening
and
I'll
be
handing
off
most
of
the
presentation
to
Caitlin
and
Jean
shortly.
But
first
I'll
provide
a
bit
of
context
and
background
and
share
the
planning
objectives
with
you
for
the
project
and
we
are
initiating
with
you,
as
you
can
see,
on
the
map
up
there
in
yellow
and
I'll
click.
D
The
button
here
to
area
plans
and
we'll
talk
about
what
those
are
in
a
moment,
but
they
are,
as
Molly
mentioned,
the
Alpine
balsam,
the
former
hospital
site
that
you
see
in
the
north
circle
on
the
map
there
and
then.
Secondly,
the
Civic
area
East
bookends.
This
is
the
east
side
of
the
Civic
area.
It
includes
portions
of
Central
Park
and
the
13th
and
14th
Street
blocks,
so
you'll
be
receiving
an
information
packet
about
the
East
bookend
site
and
the
conditions
on
that
site
in
a
couple
of
weeks.
D
So
we
won't
spend
a
lot
of
time
on
that
this
evening,
but
there
is
quite
a
bit
of
backdrop
for
the
work
that
we're
beginning.
Now,
it's
not
a
blank
slate.
We've
done
a
lot
of
work
with
you
all,
as
counsel
with
the
community
on
the
projects
that
you
see
up
there
on
the
screen.
So
the
central
Broadway
corridor
design
framework
was
approved
back
in
June
of
last
year.
That
provides
quite
a
bit
of
background
and
the
interrelationships
about
the
five
centers
along
Broadway,
as
well
as
the
Alpine
balsam
vision
plan.
D
You'll
hear
a
bit
more
about
that
as
well.
That
was
also
approved
in
June
of
last
year
and
recently
we've
been
seeing
the
fruition
of
a
lot
of
that
plat
past
planning,
work
and
community
engagement,
as
you
saw
in
the
recently
opened
civic
area
park,
as
well
as
the
University
Hill
event
Street,
and
some
of
the
activities
that
are
currently
happening
up
there
in
a
public
gathering
space.
So
this
will
set
us
forward
on
the
next
stage
of
implementation
around
those
areas.
D
As
you
see
on
the
chart
there
on
the
left
side
of
the
screen,
they
tend
to
focus
on
areas
of
opportunities
or
where
we
see
special
problems
or
areas
that
might
be
likely
to
change
in
the
community
and
by
their
nature,
then
tend
to
be
a
bit
smaller
in
geographic
scope.
The
ones
that
we've
done
in
the
past
have
ranged
from
six
acres
to
160
acres,
to
put
Alpine
balls
balsam
in
perspective.
It's
approximately
70
acres.
So
it's
right
in
that
range.
The
last
plan
we
completed
was
Junior
Academy
in
2009.
D
So
it's
been
a
few
years
since
you
or
Planning
Board,
or
we
have
undertaken
an
area
plan
with
the
community
and
you'll,
hear
a
little
bit
later
about
Community
Engagement.
When
we
do
an
area
plan
that
doesn't
mean
that
only
people
who
are
affected
within
the
boundary
of
the
plan
are
invited
to
participate.
D
I
think
it's
important
to
point
out
that
this
is
a
community-wide
of
community-wide
interest,
and
so
there
are
people
who
are
more
directly
and
influenced
and
affected
by
the
work
that's
done
here,
but
there
will
be
outreach
that
is
much
broader
than
that
as
well.
We
for
iris
and
Broadway
are.
We
are
also
coordinating
with
the
county
on
the
matter
of
planning
to
address
the
possible
colocation
of
facilities
on
the
site.
We
don't
yet
have
options
that
we're
looking
at,
but
we
do
plan
to
bring
some
ideas
and
options
to
you
later
in
the
spring.
D
We're
also
speaking
with
county
staff,
about
what
the
planning
effort
for
that
site
at
iris
and
Broadway
might
be,
whether
that
might
be
an
additional
area,
planning
type
of
effort
or
something
to
that
effect.
So
stay
tuned
for
that,
and
certainly
if
you
have
any
thoughts
or
ideas,
we'd
welcome
those,
but
we'll
be
bringing
more
information
forward
later
on
that.
D
We
also
know
that
council
members,
some
council
members,
are
very
interested
in
simultaneously
exploring
a
sub
community
plan
for
the
area
immediately
around
this
site
and
we're
not
prepared
tonight
to
talk
about
the
all
the
issues
around
that
we
do
anticipate
that
as
a
conversation
that
would
continue
as
part
of
the
retreat
and
as
part
of
that
topic,
around
sub
community
planning.
I
think
I
mentioned
this
just
for
rough
context.
D
We've
defined
eight
objectives
for
the
area
planning
process
that
are
built
from
a
lot
of
the
previous
efforts
that
we've
engaged
in
and
with
from
early
input
from
the
community
and
from
the
city's
engagement
framework,
and
you
can
see
these
are
also
on
pages
4
and
5
of
your
memo.
We
are
looking
for
your
input
on
these
this
evening
and
just
to
be
sure
that
we're
all
aligned
as
a
team
as
we
move
forward
with
you
all
you
can
see
on
the
screen
here.
D
The
first
four
relate
to
the
community's
vision
and
values,
sustainability,
resilience
and
so
on.
Respect.
Our
legacy
and
context
of
previous
work
get
at
the
notion
of
a
robust
engagement
process
that
you'll
hear
more
about
and
acknowledge
that
we
need
to
do
a
lot
of
coordination
with
some
of
the
other
efforts
that
are
underway,
particularly
the
city
facilities,
flood
mitigation
and
so
on.
So
that's
all
taking
place.
D
In
addition,
the
next
four
address
engagement
with
the
community
to
define
our
community
values
that
are
important
to
all
of
us
to
pursue
consolidation
of
city
facilities
and
then
also
you'll,
hear
more
in
the
presentation
layer
about
this
notion
and
it's
going
to
take
a
wide
range
of
approaches
to
make
the
community's
vision
a
reality.
And
so
talking
about
financing
and
partnerships.
D
And
then
last
but
not
least,
it's
going
to
be
very
important
to
make
sure
that
we
do
this
in
a
timely
and
efficient
manner,
so
that
we're
ready
to
move
forward
as
the
hospital
vacates
the
site
next
year.
After
the
this
next
part
of
the
presentation,
we'll
pause
briefly,
and
we
would
really
appreciate
your
feedback
around
these
objectives.
So
I
will
now
hand
it
over
to
Katelyn
Zacharias,
who
will
share
the
initiation
of
the
Alpine
balsam
project,
including
some
overview
and
background
around
that
the
components
of
what
would
go
into
the
area
plan.
E
Thanks
Lesley
I'll
start
off
with
a
bit
of
background.
The
city
purchased
the
site
in
December
of
2015,
and
there
were
two
main
reasons
for
this.
First,
it
was
to
ensure
that
redevelopment
of
the
site
fits
with
the
community's
goals,
envisioned
and
complements
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
and,
secondly,
to
potentially
consolidate
to
a
modern
and
centrally
located
government
facility
that
provides
excellent
service
can
inspire
greater
exchange
of
ideas
and
enhances
community
spirit.
E
So,
after
the
purchase
of
the
site,
the
city
kicked
off
a
multi-year
planning
process
to
guide
its
redevelopment,
and
we
began
with
the
vision
plan
to
understand
the
community's
hopes
and
vision,
and
this
will
serve
as
the
foundation
for
the
next
step.
The
area
plan
where
we
are
now
which
will
guide
development
of
the
site
and
the
guide
development
on
the
site
and
potential
change
in
the
nearby
area.
E
It's
just
an
overview
of
the
site.
This
consists
of
several
properties
and
buildings,
and
these
include
the
main
hospital,
the
medical
pavilion,
the
brenton
building,
a
parking
garage
with
commercial
uses,
and
then
two
vacant
properties
on
North
Street
and
in
Division,
planned
process.
Staff
recommended
that
the
hospital
is
not
suited
for
reuse
and
receive
direction,
to
focus
its
efforts
on
the
analysis
to
reuse
the
medical
pavilion
which
we'll
hear
more
about
later
tonight.
E
As
Leslie
talked
about
what
an
area
plan
is
and
just
to
provide
some
specifics
about
what
this
area
plan
will
do,
it
will
outline
the
desired
character
and
scale
mix
of
land
uses
and
so
on.
It
will
create
a
common
understanding.
The
desired
changes
in
the
area
defined
the
characteristics
in
the
area
that
should
be
preserved
or
enhanced.
This
plan
will
include
implementation
methods
and
also
include
more
detailed
planning
for
the
city-owned
site.
E
The
project
purpose
statement
reflects
how
the
city
will
approach
this
project.
It's
a
way
to
define
the
project.
The
problem,
as
described
in
our
engagement
strategic
framework
planning
board,
helps
shape
this
with
us
last
month
in
December,
we
also
brought
to
the
community
for
feedback.
It
includes
aspects
of
a
vision
statement,
in
addition
to
key
outcomes
of
the
area
planning
process,
and
this
full
statement
is
also
on
page
10
of
your
packet.
If
you'd
like
to
review
that
further,
so
planning
for
alpine
Boston
will
occur
on
a
series
of
different
scales.
E
This
is
an
inclusive
process
that
will
include
the
broader
community
as
well
as
people
nearby
and
in
the
surrounding
area.
The
lines
that
you
see
here
on
the
map
can
be
adjusted.
These
are
not
set
in
stone
at
this
point
and
I'll
walk
through
the
different
layers
here.
So
the
first
one.
The
area
focus
is
within
the
blue
line
that
you
see
there
indicated
by
number
one
and
it
it
circumscribes
about
70
acres
and
includes
mostly
mixed
use
areas
and
higher
density
residential,
as
well
as
a
portion
of
North
Boulder
Park.
E
That
is
currently
having
some
flood
mitigation
planning
around
it.
This
area
focus
also
includes
the
8.8
city-owned
8.8,
acre
City
on
site.
They
see
there
in
blue
as
well,
for
which
more
detailed
planning
work
will
occur.
The
recommendations
and
the
implementation
of
the
area
plan
will
focus
on
this
area
and
will
address
land,
use,
urban
design,
access
management
and
transportation
connections,
as
well
as
identify
public
improvements
such
as
streets,
parking,
etc.
F
G
How
uni
Hill
is
not
discussed
in
this
too
much,
so
how
is
that?
How
do
you
envision
uni,
Hill
kind
of
eventually
interweaving
this
part
of
the
plan,
or
do
you
because
I
mean,
as
you
know,
this
we're
continuing
to
me
in
not
only
the
residential
uni
hill
group,
but
also
the
commercial
and
that
meeting
is
on
Thursday
and
I'd
like
to
know
if
I'm
asked.
C
Well,
this
is
part
of
the
central
Broadway
framework,
and
that
is
another
hub
within
activity
center
within
the
central
Broadway
framework,
and
so,
as
Katelyn
said,
it
won't
be
the
primary
focus
but
connections
to
and
in
a
relationship
and
tracking
of
what's
happening
in
the
Uni
Hill
site
and
how
it
can
relate
to
what's
happening
in
the
Alpine.
Balsam
site
will
certainly
be
part
of
the
conversation.
Okay.
E
All
right
so
I'll
now
discuss
seven
key
considerations
that
this
area
plan
will
address,
and
these
come
out
of
the
exploration
of
challenges
and
trade-offs
and
opportunities
that
were
identified
in
the
vision
planning
process.
As
well
as
more
recent
work.
That's
happened
since
then,
so
a
consideration
of
land-use
trade-offs
for
the
Alpine
balsam
site
will
be
necessary
to
ensure
development
feasibility,
while
working
towards
the
vision
for
a
mix
of
uses.
E
So
this
is
an
18-month
process.
It
consists
of
three
main
phases,
and
each
of
these
phases
has
opportunities
for
engagement.
There's
a
lot
of
detail
on
that
in
packet
and
pages
35
to
36
of
your
packet
as
well
just
hit
a
few
points
on
the
first
phase,
we'll
be
engaging
in
site
scenario:
modeling
for
the
outline
Balsam
site,
further
understanding
the
potential
and
the
desire
for
change
in
the
planning
area
and
performing
accompanying
studies,
among
other
things,
so
now
turn
it
over
to
Jean
to
talk
about
engagement,
Caitlyn.
H
C
So
just
wanted
to
speaks
about
a
little
bit.
That
is
part
of
what
we
will
be
discussing
through
the
planning
process.
Amanda
Bevis
in
the
next
portion
we'll
be
talking
about
financing
and
partnership
strategy
being
discussed
concurrently
with
the
area
planning
process.
So
at
this
point
we're
still
working
through
how
this
might
be
funded.
We
need
to
work
with
the
community
about
what
they
want
to
see
on
the
site,
and
so
we
don't
really
have
a
specific
answer
to
that
yet.
But
that
is
something
that
we
will
be
working
through
through
the
process.
H
I
All
right,
so
we
are
very
excited,
as
are
many
many
community
members
to
get
working
on
the
really
meaty
part
of
the
engagement
of
this
process
of
this
project.
As
you
know,
this
project
was
identified
early
on
as
a
2018
pilot
for
to
focus
resources
and
help
test
our
approaches
and
try
new
things
that,
as
we
roll
out
our
engagement
strategic
framework
on
the
engagement
decision-making
wheel,
we're
rounding
the
corner
on
step,
three,
which
is
create
an
engagement
plan.
I
So
we
did
a
number
of
things
to
both
inform
community
members
about
the
upcoming
planning
process
and
gather
information
about
how
people
really
want
to
be
engaged
and
how
to
get
information,
and
we
asked
them
about
their
thoughts
on
what
would
make
this
a
successful
process.
Our
team
talked
to
dozens
of
people
at
the
what's
up:
Boulder
open
house
as
well
as
several
other
open
events,
and
we
also
did
an
online
questionnaire
that
had
over
200
community
members
respond.
I
So
specifically,
the
next
steps.
We
have
engagement
events
and
tools
that
are
planned
over
the
next
few
months
that
respond
directly
to
ensuring
that
people
have
the
information
they
need
about
the
process
and
offer
a
wide
range
of
opportunities
for
members
to
be
highly
involved
or
or
less
involved,
depending
on
their
level
of
interest.
As
as
leslie
mentioned,
the
engagement
is
well
beyond
the
the
lines
on
the
map.
I
I
All
of
these,
we
intend
to
work
with
our
engagement
consultant
to
design
each
event
and
each
tool
to
meet
the
objectives
and
ensure
that
the
feedback
from
the
community
informs
the
decisions
and
informs
the
next
steps,
and
also
the
the
key
questions
that
Caitlin
just
described
and
in
for
next
steps
of
the
process.
So.
C
Well,
thank
you.
That
concludes
part.
One
now
we'll
be
entering
the
council
discussion
item.
These
are
the
questions
that
we'd,
like
feedback
on
specifically
from
you,
does
counsel
have
feedback
on
the
objectives
for
area
planning
that
Leslie
Ellis
described
previously,
and
that
are
in
your
memo
on
page
four
to
five
and
does
counsel
have
feedback
on
the
approach
to
alpine
balsam
area
planning,
including
the
purpose
statement,
scope,
key
considerations,
planning
area
and
the
engagement
and
communications
plan.
Thank
you.
B
Okay,
nobody's
jumping
in
okay,
I
have
a
question.
Okay,
so
I
am
curious
about
the
relationship
between
Alpine
balsam
and
the
iris
site,
and
specifically
coordination
with
the
county,
and
we
are
a
bunch
of
us
wanted
to
tour
the
hub
in
Longmont,
which
was
very
I,
thought
a
pretty
compelling
interesting
visit
to
see
what
that.
Could
you
know
what
was
happening
there
and
I?
Don't
know.
If
that's
you
know
the
right
model
for
here,
but
I
guess.
One
of
my
question
is
is:
is
my
understanding?
B
Is
the
county's
doing
their
facility
needs
plan
and
we're
doing
ours
and
I?
Guess
the
question
of
what
it
might
look
like
to
collocate
I
guess:
I
want
to
know
how
thoroughly
were
you
going
how
we
gonna
tackle
that?
What's
that
gonna
look
like
and
are
we
really
gonna
dive
creatively
into
that?
Are
we
gonna
it?
Is
it
a
matter
of
colocation
versus
creating
something
together
kind
of
I?
B
Can
just
it
it
is
a
and
now
I'm
gonna
butcher
this.
It
is
a
a
large
building
that
has
co-located
men.
It's
I
think
it's
owned
by
the
county,
but
it's
in
coordination
with
the
city
or
maybe
it's
owned
by
the
city
is
another,
but
it's
co-located
a
bunch
of
the
agencies
so
that
you
can
walk
in
and
as
a
citizen
as
a
resident
and
get
Human,
Services
and
well
I.
Think
it's
mostly
focused
on
Human
Services,
but
you
it's
all
in
one
building
and
both.
B
H
Is
primarily
Human
Services
focused,
but
with
some
other
county
offices
as
well,
and
there
was
a
shared
services
model
and
an
innovative
layout
and
customer
service
approach
where
you
they're
these
multiple
conference
rooms,
were
you
go
and
in
schedule
one
and
meet
with
one
person
there
and
then,
if
there
was
a
follow-up
need
meet
with
another
social
services
provider
the
same
place,
they
had
nonprofits
Co
collated
co-located
as
well.
So
it's
a
way
for
residents
to
get
a
variety
of
county
services
in
one
place
in
a
kind
of
innovative
interactive
way.
H
There's
childcare
available,
there's
child
facilities
available.
It
was
really
inspiring
honestly,
instead
of
piggyback
on
what
you
were
saying.
I
didn't
seem
like
a
huge
opportunity
to
take
that
model
and
then
add
in
city
services
as
well,
so
that
that
to
really
kalokhe
eight
many
different
kinds
of
things:
a
one-stop
shop,
but
not
just
one-stop
shop
in
the
sense
of
well.
H
First,
you
go
here
and
then
you
go
over
there,
which
is
not
too
far
away,
and
then
you
go
over
there,
which
is
not
referring
that,
but
that
you
could
actually
get
people
who
are
coordinating
together
on
our
side
on
the
government
side
and
meeting
with
people
said
they
didn't
have
to
go
to
many.
Many
different
agencies
well.
B
I'm,
just
one
of
the
sides
helpful
thank
you
that
it
would
lend
itself
I.
Think
the
Health
and
Human
Services
is
an
example
where
we
do
overlap
with
the
county
in
the
city,
so
that,
for
example,
would
be
a
we
haven't,
decided,
which
departments
would
be
there,
for
example.
But
if
we
were
gonna
do
that,
that
would
lend
itself
to
this
vision.
B
D
It
could
range
it
from
a
low,
medium,
high
kind
of
scenario
and
different
mixes,
and
so
we'll
be
looking
at
that
with
them.
As
we
move
forward,
you'll
you'll
have
an
opportunity
at
your
lunch
in
a
couple
of
weeks,
to
learn
more
about
the
hub
and
ask
questions
and
dive
into
that
just
a
little
bit
and
then
we'll
loop
back
with
you
on
the
city
and
the
county
will
be
having
their
conversations
as
well,
but
we
anticipate
coming
forward
through
the
spring,
with
some
different
options
based
on
some
of
those
conversations.
G
Yeah,
and
so
if,
if
this
discussion,
this
partnership
between
the
county
and
the
city
moves
forward,
do
you
envision
a
signed
IgA
or
something
so
that
it's
very
clear
who's
doing
what,
and
so
everybody
is
very
clear
in
terms
of
what
the
agreement
is
and
I
don't
want
to
belabor
the
point
I
can
go
into
some
other
examples,
but
I'll
just
leave
it
at
that
that
it's
very
anyway
I'm
just
wondering.
Are
we
going
to
have
a
signed
IgA
and
where
the
details
are
worked
out.
K
Not
soon
learning,
ultimately,
there
definitely
would
be
a
signed
agreement
of
some
sort
to
set
forth
the
obligations
of
each
party
and
the
financial
obligations
as
well.
So
we
we
have
had
partnerships
with
the
county
with
regard
to
buildings
in
the
past,
and
we've
learned
a
lot
of
things
from
that,
and
so,
if
they-
and
so
we
would
want
to
take
those
lessons
learned
yeah.
G
B
I
just
wanted
to
add
one
more
thought
to
that
which
is
I.
Don't
know
that
we
know
that
this
site
is
the
place
to
do
this,
but
I
guess
what
I
wanted
to
do
is
make
sure
that
we
are
actually
having
as
we're
visioning
and
having
robust
discussions
that
this
is
in
play.
We
may
not.
You
may
choose
ultimately
one
way
or
the
other,
but
I
also
think
that
this
has,
in
my
understanding,
is,
has
very
much
implications
for
the
site
on
iris.
B
So
to
the
extent
that
I
think
these
are
very
linked
and
they're
sort
of
linked
in
the
area
of
focus
planning.
The
three
different
sort
of
looks
but
I
guess
to
me
that
what
we
do
on
one
will
I
think
will
directly
affect
the
availability
of
the
other.
So
I
guess
to
me
it's
a
little
stronger
of
a
connection.
If
we're
serious
about
exploring
so
I
guess,
I
just
want
to
say
without
predisposing.
D
It
does
and
I
don't
want
to
put
words
in
the
county's
mouth.
They
can
talk
to
you
on
the
30th,
but
they
have
been
thinking
about
what
how
they
might
approach
the
planning
on
that
site
and
how
that
might
have
tailed
with
the
work
that
we're
doing,
and
so
those
conversations
are
definitely
taking
place.
But
I
don't
know
that
we
have
all
the
answers
just
yet
and.
H
Just
to
reinforce
that
and
what
I
said
before,
I'm
glad
you're
having
those
discussions,
because
I
think
we
do
have
a
really
enormous
opportunity
here
to
partner
with
the
county
and
put
together
something
that
could
be
really
innovative
and
help
our
residents
to
obtain
county
services
and
city
services.
So
I
just
really
encourage
you
to
you
know,
be
robust
about
those
discussions.
L
C
C
There
are
still
a
lot
of
unanswered
questions
in
part,
because
we
don't
have
a
plan
for
what
should
be
happening
on
that
site,
yeah
we're
at
the
beginning
of
that
process,
but
we
recognize
the
importance
of
understanding
that
along
the
way
and
so
we'll
be
having
those
conversations
early
and
often
as
we
are
working
with
the
community
on
what
should
happen
on
that
site.
So
not
at
this
time,
but
we
will
stay
tuned
in
terms
of
what
direction
we
will
be
going
on.
That.
M
M
M
I
I
think
what
we're
envisioning
is
that,
when
we
have
that
kickoff
meeting
and
either
late
February
early
March
that
we're
really
sharing
with
the
community
a
lot
of
that
baseline
data,
key
topics,
key
information
that
so
that
everybody
is
on
the
same
page,
so
that
it
helps
shape
the
trade-off
discussions.
The
issue,
discussions
and
all
of
the
rest
of
the
key
questions
that
we'll
all
need
to
answer
together.
As
we
move
forward.
M
Just
a
little
bit
of
feedback,
one
of
the
things
that
if
you're
going
to
be
asking
questions
while
you
do
the
outreach
of
people,
maybe
also
survey
the
people
that
are
parking
in
the
neighborhoods,
because
we
see
a
lot
of
folks
that
Park
in
the
neighborhood
pull
out
a
bike
from
their
trunk
and
are
likely
riding
downtown.
So
it
would
be
nice
to
know
how
much
of
the
impacts
of
downtown
might
be
moving
north
into
neighborhoods.
J
Think
that
looking
at
transportation,
people
are
not
going
to
be
out
of
their
cars.
Much
as
we
might
like
that,
but
also
some
kind
of
transit.
That
is
what
more
robust
is
a
great
planning
word
more
robust
than
it
is
now
so
that
that
is
really
looked
at
as
an
underlying
piece
of
all
of
this.
On
the
front
end,
the
parking
as
Mary
was
saying
and
those
impacts
of
people
driving
their
cars
places
in
the
neighborhoods
and
taking
out
bicycles,
I
think
probably
happens
all
over
close
to
the
downtown.
H
Thought
on
timing,
so
the
the
lease
runs
out
at
I,
guess
the
end
of
May
right
with
the
hospital,
and
so
we
have
our
timeline
or
area
plan.
Adoption
mid,
2019
and
just
want
to
really
say
that
I
feel
like
we
should
be
ready
when
the
hospital
is
done.
I'd
hate
to
see
the
hospital
leave
and
then
six
months
go
by
without
anything
further
happening,
and
we
have
a
good
amount
of
time
here.
So
I
think
we
should.
H
We
should
make
sure
that
that
our
schedules
designs
such
that
we
can
move
forward
once
the
hospital
is
finished
as
part
of
I
was
asking
about.
The
phased
implementations
I
look
forward
to
hearing
more
about
that
later,
but
it
doesn't
necessarily
need
to
mean
that
everything
is
decided
and
ready
to
go,
but
that
we
know
what
the
next
step
is.
After
the
hospital
is
gone
and
and
that
there's,
for
a
few
reasons,
I
mean
part
of
its
that
you
know
the
carrying
costs,
as
we
all
know
about,
but
partly
to
the
vitality
of
that
area.
B
So
I
know
we're
kind
of
popcorn
around,
and
maybe
that's
fine
because
I
want
to
understand
the
relationship
of
this
planning
process,
with
the
call
for
we're
gonna
discuss
at
our
retreat
about
a
central,
a
central,
Broadway
sub
community
plan
and
how
those
might
mesh
or
feet
are
happened
at
the
same
time
or
I.
Don't
know
if
this
is
well
at
least.
Would
you
can
you
speak
to
that
a
little
bit?
Yes,.
D
So
we
are,
we
haven't
done
all
the
analysis
for
this
evening
to
talk
about
the
pros
and
cons
and
issues,
and
that
kind
of
thing
of
what
it
would
take
to
do.
A
sub,
Community,
Plan
or
a
corridor
plan
for
this
area
simultaneously
and
I.
Think
we'll
have
more
conversation
at
the
retreat
so
that
you
all
can
have
that
opportunity
to
prioritize
and
talk
about
objectives
and
that
sort
of
thing.
The
area
outside
of
the
the
sub
community
plan
beyond
what's
designated
as
the
area
plan
is
largely
residential
and
I.
D
So
that
we're
you
know,
there's
obviously
some
synergy
with
the
engagement
that's
happening
simultaneously
and
that
kind
of
thing
but
I
think
we'd
want
to
do
the
job
of
defining
those
issues
and
that
problem
statement
and
being
clear
about
what
we're
trying
to
do
as
we
do
that
on
a
on
its
own
kind
of
planning
process.
So.
G
And
I
would
just
comment
coming
from
the
North
Boulder
sub
community
plan,
where
we
had
a
real
area
of
change
along
North
Broadway
and
that's
where
the
bulk
of
the
work
was
done
in
North
Boulder.
But
the
sub
community
plan
offered
the
opportunity
to
look
at
that
wider
and
broader
sub
community
area
and
really
fine-tune
what
were
the
needs
or
the
expectations
of
the
people
who
were
living
in
that
sub
community.
So,
for
example,
we
were
able
to
identify
transportation
links,
so
we
got
a
lot
of
bicycle
corridors.
G
I
think
the
sub
area
plan
will
really
be
the
area
that
we
focus
into
and
really
do
a
lot
of
the
work,
but
I
wouldn't
shy
away
from
the
sub
community
and
area,
because
there
may
be
some
opportunities
to
fine
tune
and
identify
needs
that
are
unmet
at
this
point
in
time.
One
other
comment
I
would
have
is
that
this
central
Boulder
sub
community
is
the
largest
sub
community
I,
think
of
all
of
ours
in
terms
of
population
and
I
think
maybe
even
in
terms
of
area.
G
But
you
would
know
that
better
than
I,
let's
Li.
Having
done
all
those
incredible
fact
sheets,
but
you
know
we
may
want
to
have
a
discussion
about
north
central,
central,
central
and
south
central,
but
I
don't
want
to
belabor
the
point,
but
I
wouldn't
get
people
I,
wouldn't
encourage
people
to
freak
out
too
much
about
sub
community,
because
there
are
opportunities
there
that
don't
take
that
much
extra
work
and
in
fact
you
know
picking
up
all
the
baggage
for
the
sub
sub
area.
You
might
as
well
put
on
a
backpack
and
do
the
sub
community.
L
L
Is
there
anything
that
we
know
for
sure
for
sure
is
definitely
going
to
be
like
these?
Are
gonna,
be
city
offices
or
you
know,
I'd
love
to
see
a
teen
center
or
more
Multicultural
Center
as
part
of
this
but
other
than
housing
and
some
mixed
use
and
some
commercial?
Are
we
going
into
this
thing?
Hey
there's
definitely
going
to
be
this
and
we
have
to
kind
of
figure
that
out
work
around
it.
I.
E
Think
to
answer
your
question,
that
portion
would
be
maybe
more
focused
around
city
facilities,
as
we've
discussed
and
we'll
be
talking
more
about
later
tonight,
but
in
terms
of
getting
more
specific
and
the
types
of
non-residential
uses,
etc.
There
hasn't
been
any
clear
definition
around
that
just
yet
and
that's
going
to
be
actually
what
we're
doing
in
the
coming
months.
So
we
have
yes,
I
mean
we've
definitely
heard
a
range
throughout
the
vision
planning
process.
There
are
some
flavors
of
things.
E
F
Just
a
follow-up
question
to
that
I
know:
you're,
probably
not
gonna,
be
really
excited
about
answering
this,
but
can
you
give
us
developing
chills
question?
Can
you
give
us
a
proximate
range,
I
mean
we're
talking
on
8.8
acres
and
it
sounds
like
some
government
offices
will
be
there,
maybe
city,
maybe
city
and
county.
Are
we
talking
five
percent?
Fifty
percent?
Can
you
just
kind
of
give
us
a
general
idea?
F
C
Michelle
crane
will
speak
to
that
a
little
bit
more
in
the
next
section,
but
just
to
let
you
know-
and
we
currently
have
the
brunt
and
building
there's
a
parking
garage
and
we're
discussing
the
potential
reuse
of
the
medical
pavilion.
Those
things
combined
take
up
between
25
and
30
percent
of
the
property,
including
the
site
area,
work
that
we
need
to
be
done
around
it.
So
that's
kind
of
the
range
that
we're
looking
at
it.
This
time
should.
F
C
The
rest
of
it
will
have
to
shape
out
through
the
area
planning
process
we
are,
as
Michelle
will
speak
to
later.
In
the
city
facilities
there
are
city
facilities
and
that
were
called
out
as
part
of
the
Civic
Area
City
facility
hub
in
Alpine
balsam
area.
One
of
the
reasons
we're
looking
at
these
sites
combined
is
as
we're
looking
at
those
things
making
sure
that,
as
decisions
are
made
in
one
area
that
might
influence
the
other
area
were
able
to
respond
to
that.
J
E
But
in
terms
of
the
100-year
floodplain,
there's
you
know
per
our
regulations
in
our
code.
There's
a
lot
that
can
still
happen
within
that
within,
but
there
are
some
uses
that
would
not
be
able
to
fall
within
that
just
critical
facilities.
Things
of
that
nature,
but
the
only
the
upper
corners
of
the
site
are
affected
by
things
like
the
high
hazard
conveyance.
So
those
would
be
obviously
not
having
structures
in
them.
E
M
E
B
O
The
park
right
now
has
been
designed
to
act
as
any
large
detention
facility
to
serve
those
needs,
and
then
it's
part
of
what
the
mitigation
study
will
look
at
that
will
be
handled
also
as
a
part
of
the
area
planning
process
here
in
conjunction
well,
not
in
the
same
project.
There
will
be
coordination
amongst
those.
There
will
be
some
expertise
also
in
the
area
planning
process
to
look
at
the
flood
mitigation
and
flood
impacts,
as
it
relates
specifically
to
this
parcel.
G
O
To
look
at
the
mitigation
planning
I
don't
know
that
it
will
look
to
any
heavy
degree
at
some
of
the
smaller
street
conveyance
areas.
It's
usually
looking
larger
at
the
channel
itself
in
what's
needed
through
there,
whereas
a
lot
of
the
street
conveyance
becomes
our
minor
stormwater
I
think
some
of
that
has
been
looked
at
in
the
master
plan
for
stormwater
I,
don't
know
what
the
prioritization
in
that
area
is.
It's.
O
M
Think
so,
follow-up
to
my
own
question
the
if
there
if
the
Park
North
older
Park
were
to
be
used
as
a
regional
Detention
Center.
M
O
If
it
was
to
be
utilized
as
a
detention
facility,
there
could
be
excavation
and
or
berming
that
would
have
to
be
done
in
order
to
create
that
impoundment
area
to
hold
those
waters
back
and
release
them
in
a
slower
manner.
That's
part
of
what
will
have
to
be
analyzed
in
the
mitigation
study
and
will
have
to
be
discussed
with
the
variety
of
community
and
resource
ports,
of
course,
as
to
what
those
impacts
would
be,
and
then,
whether
that's
something
that's
the
community
wants
to
see.
B
M
So
I
have
a
question
about
boundaries
of
the
planning
area,
the
focus
area
and
I
notice
for
the
planning
area.
Some
of
the
boundaries
go
along
streets
and
when
a
boundary
on
a
planning
area
is
going
just
shown
to
be
going
down
a
street.
Does
that
mean
that
one
side
is
in
the
planning
area?
One
side
of
the
street
is
in
the
planning
area
and
the
other
side
of
the
street
isn't
in
the
planning
area.
How
is.
M
E
G
It's
funny
so
on
the
west
side,
you're
going
down
alleys,
which
seems
to
make
more
sense
to
me
from
a
planning
perspective
and
usually
when
you
look
at
like
uses
you
you
don't
do
it,
you
don't
separate
on
the
street.
You
do
it.
You
know
behind
that
the
house.
So
that
is
a
big
concern
because
you
want
like
uses
on
either
side
of
the
street.
It's
just
basic
good
planning
principles.
So
right.
E
Yes,
so
yes,
it
is
absolutely
basic
and
good
planning
principles
to
cross
streets.
I
think
with
respect
to
the
planning
area
around
those
edges
were
not
necessary
for
seeing
land-use
changes
right,
and
so
you
wouldn't
have
that
kind
of
scenario
where
you'd
be
changing
something
on
one
side
and
on
the
other
right.
Just
basically,.
G
P
G
I
get
it
that
these
are
residential
and
most
stuff
won't
be
happening,
but
again
one
of
the
things
we
have
so
many
people,
as
as
you've
all
explained
so
many
people
are
really
excited.
We
also
have
an
opportunity
to
educate
our
public
on
good
planning
principles
as
well,
so
we
should
do
that
and
it's
this
process.
M
So
the
reason
I'm
asking
that
is
is
I.
Understand
that
there
is
there
aren't
any
land
use
changes
plan.
However,
there
are
other
issues
such
as
the
traffic
and
parking,
and
things
like
that
that
affect
two
sides
of
a
street
just
as
equally
and
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that
those
kinds
of
concerns
are
addressed,
that
you're
not
cutting
off
one
side
of
the
street,
where
they're
seeing
the
same
kinds
of
impacts
right.
E
And
you
know
I
think
I
would
also
add
that
you
know,
as
we
were
commenting
earlier,
these
these
lines
aren't
really
set
in
stone
at
this
point,
and
I
also
see
the
planning
area
as
it's
not
as
much
of
a
rigid
line.
I
know
it
appears
as
such,
but
in
this
process
and
as
we're
working
with
neighborhoods
there's
again,
it's
not
going
to
be
so
boxed
in
that
way.
B
N
So
my
question
has
to
do
with
the
shopping
centers
across
the
street,
so
those
are
clearly
in
the
planning
area,
but
the
impacts
of
uses
people
who
use
those
shopping
centers
are
in
a
much
bigger
radius
than
that,
and
so
how
are
you
going
to
be
addressing
exactly
the
shopping
center
uses
because
those
are
likely
to
change
over
20
years
30
years?
Who
knows
what
the
timeline
is,
but
I'm
just
curious?
N
How
you
think
about
that,
because,
when
I
think
about
sub-community
planning,
it's
obvious
that
you
would
want
to
talk
to
the
community
about
what
they
would
like
to
see.
Eventually,
there
may
be:
what's
there
now,
and
maybe
it's
something
different,
but
for
the
Alpine
balsam
site,
you're
not
gonna,
be
having
that
kind
of
a
conversation
right,
you're
gonna
be
having
a
conversation
which
is
just
about
how
will
the
change
in
Alpine
balsam
affect
those
sites?
So
talk
to
me
a
little
bit
about
how
you
approach
the
shopping,
centers
right.
E
So
the
area
of
focus
within
that
it's
also
about
understanding
the
potential
for
and
desire
for
change
in
that
within
that
blue
line,
and
so
as
part
of
that,
we
want
to
be
having
conversations
with
those
property
owners
in
that
area,
including
the
non-residential
property
owners
and
understanding.
You
know
this
is
we're
operating
on
a
15
year,
timeline,
roughly
so
understanding
what
their
plans
are
and
their
their
desires
are
for
that
type
of
change.
E
Redeveloping
that
does
have
you
know,
impacts
and
then
in
the
nearby
area.
So
it's
it's.
It's
basically
starting
off
with
conversations
with
those
property
owners
and
understanding
the
role
and
importance
of
these
shopping
centers,
and
then,
with
this
vision
for
this
vibrant
mix
of
uses,
what
relationship
they
would
have
together.
M
B
Well,
not
just
so
that
all
night
I
do
think
context
is
important
and
I
I'm
glad
that
these
lines
aren't
in
stone
and
our
rigid
I
mean
we're
cutting
the
park
in
half,
for
example.
So
if
you're
gonna
dig
up
half
the
part
like
you
can't
to
me,
that
makes
no
sense
because,
obviously
the
park
is
a
whole.
It's
an
amenity,
it's
important
and
what
you
do
to
one
end
affects
the
integrity
of
the
whole
park.
B
So
I
don't
have
to
fuss
over
the
lines,
but
to
me
it
would
be
a
big
circle,
because
context,
I,
think
matters
and
I
also
think
that
not
only
is
this,
the
shopping
center
to
piggyback
on
what
Sam
and
Mary
are
saying
is
important.
It's
actually
important
part
of
town
right,
it's
important
to
the
entire
city.
This
is
one
of
those
nodes
of
activity
and
North.
B
Boulder
Park
is
more
than
just
the
pocket
park,
and
so
anyhow,
I
guess,
if
we're
going
to
to
do
something
dramatic
and
creative,
that
we
are
not
talking
about
enough
about
that
fun
and
creative
stuff.
But
in
the
middle
of
this
we're
gonna
affect
this
important
note
in
town
and
I.
Guess
to
me:
that's
a
big
circle
and
it's
along
a
really
important
corridor
and
I.
It's
so
anyhow,
I
guess
I
wanna
to
me.
This
isn't
like
let's
figure
out
a
little
time
yeah.
H
J
Just
want
to
ditto
both
of
what
you're
saying,
I
think
it's
really
important
as
well,
not
to
narrow
that
focus
too
much,
but
look
at
the
wider
impacts,
because
I
know
if
one
were
to
do
an
analysis
of
who
shops
and
goes
to
that
shopping
center.
It's
pretty
pretty
wide,
pretty
broad,
broadly
through
the
community
and
particularly
central
Boulder.
N
Want
to
point
out
that
the
conversation
we're
having
now
is:
why
I
believe
that
if
we
get
this
done,
this
planning
process
done
that
if
you
do
a
good
job
at
it,
you've
pretty
much
done
with
it
for
the
sub
community
plan
as
well
right,
you
don't
have
to
have
the
conversation
again.
So
one
of
the
reasons
why
I'm
interested
in
this
being
an
area
where
we
do
a
sub
community
plan
soon
is
because
we'll
have
done
all
this
work.
N
The
transportation
corridor,
study,
iris
and
Broadway,
and
this
if
you
get
through
the
conversation
which
includes
a
huge
area
of
change
right
and
possibly
the
shopping
centers
as
well,
then
that's
a
whole
bunch
of
work.
You
don't
have
to
do
again
through
the
sub
community
planning
process,
because
you
can
say
to
the
community
look.
B
In
my
last
point,
which
might
get
into
subcommittee
planning
is
just
that
the
neighborhood
right
next
to
the
park
on
just
to
the
north
is
still
market
rate.
Affordable.
It's
a
pocket
and
whatever
we
do
here,
is
going
to
really
affect
that
and
I.
So,
as
we
figure
out
I,
don't
know
we're
gonna
do
something
amazing
and
it's
gonna
have
ripples
and
I
guess.
B
I
want
us
to
have
looked
at
the
larger
context,
to
try
to
plan
for
how
we
want
to
manage
those
ripples,
both
the
good
ones
and,
and
maybe
the
ones
that
we
wish
wouldn't
happen.
But
that's
another
thing
on
my
list
is
that's
kind
of
a
cool
funky
neighborhood
that
I'm
it
is
in
danger
of
being
scraped,
but
it
provides
a
lot
of
really
market
rate,
a
good
market
rate
affordable
right
now.
B
G
C
Excuse
me
if
I
could
interrupt
a
minute.
I
just
want
to
do
a
time
check
we're
about
10
minutes
out
from
the
time
that
we
would
say
that
we
originally
said
we
would
start
part
two,
it's
of
course
your
prerogative
on
when
we
start
that,
but
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you're,
covering
everything
that
you
wanted
to
cover
I,
think.
A
B
Would
add,
but
I'll
go
ahead.
I
guess
the
the
part
that
we
haven't
talked
about,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
is:
there's
a
lot
of
energy
and
excitement
about
creating
something
cool
on
the
redeveloped,
the
empty
lots
right
now
and
I.
Guess
it's
maybe
not
quite
that
the
the
fact
we
have
a
chance
to
create
something,
pretty
amazing,
whether
it's
it's
how
we,
you
know,
create
the
city,
offices
or
the
hub,
or
just
make
some
really
cool
housing
on
that
site,
maybe
he'll
that
opportunity
to
be
creative
and
kind
of
walk.
B
H
F
Let
me
pilot,
you
know,
we
call
out
number
six
city
facilities
and
it
was
helpful
to
know
what
our
minimum
amount
is.
We
don't
I,
don't
think
specifically
call
out
housing
and
we
don't
specifically
call
out
with
with
Shannon
and
Erin
there
call
out
the
cool,
the
cool
factor
or
the
community
factor
and
I
guess.
The
question
is:
which
way
do
we
want
to
go
I
mean?
F
Do
we
want
to
say
City
I,
don't
want
presumed
the
public
process,
so
I
get
that,
but
but
if
we
all
sit
around
the
table,
think
there's
gonna
be
some
housing
there.
Then
why
don't
we
just
kind
of
call
a
spade
a
spade.
You
know
we
can
talk
about
the
type
and
the
size
and
the
location
and
pricing
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
F
C
I'd
like
to
make
a
point
of
clarification,
these
objectives
really
are
intended
to
span
both
the
east
book
insight
and
the
Alpine
balsam.
So
these
are
really
objectives
for
the
central
Broadway
major
planning
initiatives
that
are
will
be
happening
over
the
next
year.
As
the
context
I
know
we're
focusing
on
Alpine
balsam
tonight,
and
they
certain
apply
certainly
apply
there,
but
they're
these
objectives
are
intended
to
span
both
as
Kaitlyn
went
through
her
presentation
she
had
and
what
we
called
in
that
sense.
C
B
H
N
So
this
brings
up
the
question
that
has
been
rattling
around
in
my
head
about
this
particular
project:
album
balsam.
How
do
we
keep
it
from
becoming
a
Christmas
tree?
So
you
know,
there's
a
term
called
blivet
and
blivet
is
essentially
10
pounds
in
a
five-pound
sack.
So
we
have
to
ask
ourselves:
how
are
we
going
to
sort
through
and
prioritize
because
if
you
put
all
bunch
of
different
things
there
in
order
to
satisfy
the
Christmas
tree
ornament
desire,
then
you
end
up
with
a
hodgepodge
I'll
call
it,
but
we'd
like
a
little
bit
better.
C
Again,
your
heading
will
touch
on
this
a
little
bit
more
later,
but
you're
heading
on
exactly
why
we
want
to
have
the
financial
and
partnership
conversation
in
tandem
with
the
area
planning
process.
We
will
be
going
through
looking
at
different
options,
different
trade-offs
through
the
planning
process,
but
those
options
and
trade-offs
aren't
only
about
the
different
land
uses
and
activities
that
might
occur
on
the
site,
but
also
about
how
how
eventually
we
might
be
able
to
implement
those.
C
And
so,
if
you
have
the
Christmas
tree
effects,
if
you
say,
as
you
say,
of
everything
that
gets
challenging
to
implement
at
the
end
of
the
day,
and
likewise
we
will
be
going
through.
As
Katelyn
said,
the
phasing
processes
you
kind
of
see
on
that
handout.
Well,
we
will
be
starting
with
various
conceptual
options,
but
working
with
the
community
on
those
trade-offs,
sort
of
narrowing
it
down
throughout
the
process
to
eventually
get
to
a
preferred
alternative,
but
that
will
be
a
lot
of
trade
off
conversations
with
the
community
right.
N
And
I
think
that's
fantastic
and
I
also
think
pointing
it
out
up
front
that
there's
a
lot
of
aspirations
and
projections
on
under
this
site
that
people
want
and
that
it
will
probably
be
very
difficult
to
get
all
of
them.
So
part
of
the
process
will
be
prioritizing,
and
that
means
that
some
constituencies
may
be
disappointed.
L
On
the
make
it
beautiful
theme,
once
we've
gone
through
the
planning
process
and
established
what
the
community
wants
there
and
what
fits
best,
this
does
the
building
code.
Is
it
going
to
be
the
same
process
that
that
we
have
now
and
all
the
same
regulation,
or
are
we
thinking
about
relaxing,
maybe
doing
form
based
code,
maybe
maybe
specifying
styles
or
material
uses
or
hey?
You
can
actually
do
some
dormers
here,
even
if
they
float
into
the
you
know.
E
E
B
D
B
I
will
underscore
my
understanding
for
the
county
is
that
the
site
on
iris,
which
is
also
could
be
their
county
facility
up
there
or
could
be
housing,
and
that
that
also
to
me,
is
an
interesting
conversation
to
have
as
we
look
at
the
whole
and
what
would
serve
us
on
the
other
on
the
process.
Stuff
I
think
we're
doing
good
process
and
as
long
as
we
get
to
well
in
the
things
that
are
coming
next
about
the
facilities
and
figuring
out
what
should
go
where
and
also
creative
financing
I
think
those
are
two
things.
B
B
F
Is
kind
of
a
question
I
guess:
I,
don't
know
if
it's
or
Sarah
or
Jean
to
what
extent,
if
any,
do
you
want
us
to
be
involved
in
the
public
engagement,
cuz
I
know
we're
shifting
our
public
engagement
process
and
councils
trying
to
be
more
visible
in
certain
ways.
Do
you
want
us
to
kind
of
stay
out
of
your
way
and
you
collect
it
and
give
it
to
us,
or
do
you
want
us
to
be
in
front.
I
We
would
love
an
inclusive
process,
so
I
think
that
that's
up
to
you
up
to
you
we're
trying
to
design
events
that
are
going
to
be
really
exciting
and
creative
and
we'd
love
to
have
you
all
participate
in
those.
So
I
think
it's
to
the
degree
that
you
would
like
to
be
involved
that
that's
always
awesome
when
we
did
the
lot
of
the
comprehensive
plan
meetings.
I
think
it
was
really
useful
to
have
council
members
and
planning
board
members
and
other
board
members
at
the
events
too.
Q
Q
Q
So
fam
has
been
working
alongside
the
Alpine
balsam
team
as
they
developed
the
vision
plan
for
the
Alpine
balsam
site.
Our
focus
has
been
on
conducting
a
city
facilities
assessment
and
our
two
key
objectives
have
been
to
develop
a
vision
and
guiding
principle
for
city
facilities
and
also
to
form
a
recommendation
on
an
organizational
concept
for
consolidating
city
services
between
the
civic
areas
book
end
and
the
Alpine
balsam
site.
We
did
provide
an
update
to
Council
last
February
on
some
of
that
work
in
the
Civic
area.
Q
We
had
envisioned
this
as
a
place
for
civic
engagement
and
community,
to
course-
and
this
is
very
much
in
line
with
what
the
first
guiding
principle
of
the
Civic
area
master
plan.
So
the
types
of
services
we
would
see
here
are
City
Council
city,
manager's
office,
City
Attorney,
those
types
of
services
at
Alpine
balsam
for
city
facilities.
Q
We
envision
this
as
a
centralized
hub
for
customer
service,
so
key
priorities
and
strategies
with
that
would
be
to
prioritize
the
customer
experience
clear,
easy
ways:
welcoming
entries
lobbies,
easy
access
to
information,
variety
of
way
to
ways
to
access
information,
to
promote
active
community
engagement
so
having
flexible,
adaptable,
multifunctional
meeting
space,
the
ground
floor,
transparent
and
permeable
and
then
again
to
really
emphasize
providing
welcoming
and
inspiring
spaces
so
showcasing
information
in
public
spaces
city
initiatives,
community
accomplishments,
those
sorts
of
things
at
the
ground
floor.
So.
Q
The
other
thing
that
fam
has
been
focusing
on
is
just
looking
at
the
existing
conditions
at
the
Alpine
balsam
site
and
what
portion
of
that
should
be
retained
for
city
services
and
what
buildings
so,
as
we
mentioned,
the
bretton
building
is
currently
undergoing
renovation
and
that's
planned
to
be
completed
in
the
spring.
We're
using
the
parking
structure
for
satellite
parking
for
city
staff
currently
and
sharing
it
still
with
VCH
at
the
moment,
can.
F
I
jump
in
there
another
question
a
little
off
point.
There
was
discussion
some
time
ago
about
sharing
some
of
that
unused
parking
with
downtown
employees
once
the
city
employee,
take
rate
was
known.
Is
that
still
on
the
plan,
because
there's
a
lot
of
empty
spaces
there
and
there's
a
lot
of
people
who
would
love
to
park
who
work
downtown
so.
Q
So
we
we
are
working
in
collaboration
with
them,
but
when
we
complete
renovation
of
the
branding
building,
we're
going
to
be
moving
close
to
80
employees
up
there
and
we
continue
to
promote
it
as
a
satellite
parking.
So
I
think
we
will
see
more
parking
utilization,
so
we've
been
a
little
hesitant
to
basically
give
away
spaces
at
the
moment
until
we
know
what's
gonna
Park
up
there,
I.
F
F
I
just
want
to
make
a
point
of
it,
because
this
has
been
talked
about
and
talked
about
for
a
long
time.
We
have
a
lot
of
downtown
employees
who
would
actually
park
there,
and
so
it's
kind
of
a
shame
when
we
have
a
parking
problem
downtown
and
we
have
dozens
and
dozens
of
unused
parking
spaces.
Mister,
four
or
five
blocks
away
and.
G
Just
a
tag
on
that
we
have
had
some
issues
with
employees
who
work
late
at
night
and
you
know
the
cost
of
parking
for
them.
These
people
are
those
who
are
serving
you
in
your
restaurant,
doing
dishes
things
like
that
and
so
I
think,
because
of
right
now,
some
of
our
downtown
garages
are
so
expensive.
It's
very
difficult
for
some
of
our
employees
to
park
in
our
city-owned
parking
lots
because
of
the
rates
and
can.
K
I
interrupt
for
a
minute.
We
are
working
on
a
new
plan.
I've
been
talking
with
Mary
about
this
for
a
while.
That
would
provide
a
very,
very
substantially
reduced
rate
for
evening
employees.
I
I
know
that
Mary,
Ann
and
Molly
are
going
to
be
talking
about
that
in
the
next
week,
so
we
we
know
that
they
did
a
pilot
over
the
summer.
K
That
was
not
successful
in
my
view,
is
that
it
wasn't
successful
because
there
rate
was
not
low
enough
and
so
we're
gonna
lower
it
to
a
rate
that
we
can
try
to
make
it
more
successful
and
we
prefer
for
them
to
park
downtown
because
late
at
night
it's
closer
right
right,
then
than
this
facility
is
and
then
getting
back
to
this
particular
facility.
We
Molly
is
also
working
with
the
downtown
to
understand
what
their
needs
are,
and
we
also
have
the
surface
parking
lot.
K
G
M
J
Those
are
all
good
points
and
I
also
wanted
to
say
neighborhoods
and
west
of
9th
Street
anyone
up
there
on
any
of
those
streets.
They
are
bumper-to-bumper
through
the
week
and
people
up
there,
even
though
their
neighborhood
parking
plans.
So
it's
a
it's
a
big
impact.
Anyone
anyone
that
could
be
moved
off,
I'd
be
greatly
in
favor
of,
even
if
temporarily,
even
as
an
interim
keep
going.
Okay.
Q
We
will
continue
to
work
on
that,
though.
So,
as
Kaitlyn
had
mentioned,
we
had
recommended
back
in
November
2016
to
deconstruct
the
hospital,
and
so
the
focus
tonight
is
on
the
pavilion
building,
which
is
what
is
now
highlighted
in
blue
on
the
plan
up
there.
So
you
had
asked
earlier
at
this
time
the
city
is
looking
at
preserving
roughly
30%,
which
is
about
two
and
a
half
acres
of
the
site.
Q
Out
of
the
eight
point,
eight
for
city
facilities,
it
is
what
we've
currently
identified
as
part
of
the
assessment,
is
the
need
which
leaves
the
rest
of
that
site
available
to
other
uses.
So
it
also
accomplishes
consolidating
facilities
to
this
location
of
the
site,
which
is
some
things
that
we
had
heard
through
community
engagement
last
year.
Do
you
have.
B
Q
Q
So
just
zooming
in
on
to
the
hospital
itself,
so
one
thing
I
want
to
point
out
as
we
look
at
the
medical
pavilion,
it
is
physically
attached
to
the
hospital,
and
the
yellow
line
here
shows
that
actual
connection
of
the
pavilion
to
the
hospital
building.
So
when
we
look
at
deconstructing
the
hospital,
essentially,
what
you
see
here
on
this
3d,
the
yellow
here-
represents
sort
of
the
areas
that
essentially
would
not
have
walls
and
would
have
to
be
reconstructed.
Q
So
last
year's
city
staff
engaged
a
consultants
to
do
trope
to
conduct
the
reuse
analysis
and
our
purpose
was
to
evaluate
the
reuse
potential
of
the
medical
office,
pavilion
relative
to
the
vision
and
the
goals
for
the
Alpine
balsam
site.
Our
approach
was
to
develop
a
conceptual
reuse,
design
based
on
consolidating
customer
service,
oriented
city
functions
and
then
to
evaluate
that
concept
for
constructibility
meeting
regulatory
requirements
and
then
also
meeting
the
vision
for
city
facilities
and
the
Alpine
balsam
site.
Q
So
our
findings
from
this
analysis,
as
it
relates
to
the
context
in
the
site,
we
actually
felt
that
reuse
did
contribute
to
the
Alpine
balsam
site.
We
thought
we
could
create
some
really
vibrant
places
for
community
gathering
in
these
plazas
left
behind
or
open
spaces.
We
felt
it
respected
the
site's
physical
environment.
We
actually
thought
we
could
preserve
more
mature
vegetation
through
reuse
than
through
redevelopment.
Q
We
thought
that
this
would
serve
as
a
model
of
sustainability
and
we
could
provide
some
innovative
design
solutions
in
that
renovation,
as
it
relates
to
the
surroundings
and
the
actual
the
site
it.
Actually,
the
pavilion
is
right
now
developed
in
such
a
way.
It
relates
very
well
to
existing
grades,
which
are
a
bit
challenging
as
Alpine
and
Broadway
come
together,
and
we
didn't
really
think
that
a
new
building
would
be
able
to
respond
much
better.
Q
It
provides
good
connections
through
the
site,
so
many
of
the
gestures
of
bringing
streets
through
and
providing
greenways
were
actually
could
be
preserved
as
we
reuse
the
pavilion
and
you
could
maintain
a
basement
in
existing
utility
connections
as
far
as
the
building
itself,
it's
actually
a
really
well
constructed.
Building
it's
concrete,
we
likely
would
not
get
quite
as
well
of
a
constructed
building
with
a
new
building.
It
is
an
office
building,
and
so
it
adapts
well
to
those
types
of
uses.
Q
It
has
a
core
elements
such
as
bathrooms
and
elevators
that
are
in
the
right
location.
Its
proportions
are
good
for
reuse
and
we
think
we
could
provide
some
really
engaging
spaces
on
the
ground
floor.
As
far
as
the
size
of
it,
we
actually
discovered
that
the
floor
the
top
floor.
It
was
structured
to
add
an
additional
floor,
so
if
we
wanted
to
that
could
be
achieved
within
the
55
foot
height
limit
and
we
could
expand
the
building
once
the
hospital
was
down.
Q
If
we
wanted
to
to
achieve
desired
program
goals,
we
didn't
an
energy
analysis
on
the
building
and
the
real
key
takeaway
here
when
we
looked
at
embodied
energy,
is
that
juice
was
the
least
energy
intensive
and
preserved
the
most
embodied
energy,
even
over
just
keeping
the
building.
As
is,
we
would
look
at
replacing
systems
to
meet
our
current
energy
codes
and
need
to
do
that.
But
again,
the
key
thing
is
reuse
would
preserve
the
most
embodied
energy.
Q
Q
So
our
conclusion
really
is
that
the
pavilion
is
very
well
suited
for
reuse
and
should
be
renovated
to
consolidate
city
services.
So
at
this
point,
we're
suggesting
moving
from
a
reuse
analysis
which
really
looked
at
feasibility
of
the
pavilion
and
moving
to
a
renovation
analysis,
and
we
would
anticipate
really
involving
the
community
and
staff
engagements
in
this
to
inform
the
program
and
the
synergies
and
what
should
go
in
that
building
and
in
how
that
should
be
developed.
R
Thank
You
Michelle,
all
right,
so
we've
been
talking
about
my
name's
Amanda
Beavis,
a
project
coordinator
and
Public.
Works.
We've
been
talking
to
you
a
lot
tonight
about
our
planning
efforts
and
our
intent
to
move
forward
on
those
planning
projects
to
the
extent
that
it
applies
as
projects.
We,
a
key
factor
that
we'll
be
looking
at
is
the
understanding
the
budget,
financing
and
partnership
opportunities
involved
in
those
planning
efforts
to
get
at
some
of
the
questions
earlier
tonight
about
phasing
we're
looking
at
this
from
a
near
term.
R
In
a
long
term
perspective
as
Michelle
was
alluding
to
earlier,
we
will
be
evaluating
the
hospital
deconstruction
and
the
medical
pavilion
renovation
costs
during
the
2019
operating
and
CIP
budget
development.
So
you'll
be
hearing
more
about
that
this
season
and
when
we
talk
about
long
term,
that
really
means,
through
the
area
planning
process
over
the
next
year
to
year
and
a
half
we'll
be
looking
at
developing
a
strategy
that
addresses
the
implementation
of
the
area
plans
that
includes
the
Alpine
balsam
site,
the
Civic
areas
bookend
and
the
medical
pavilion
renovation.
R
We're
looking
at
this
as
three
potential
funding
options.
That
includes
on
the
screen
and
in
your
package,
the
redevelopment
of
city-owned
land,
the
development
of
city
facilities
and
any
infrastructure,
investment
or
support
of
other
community
benefits
in
the
remainder
of
those
planning
areas.
So
keeping
in
mind
the
order
of
magnitude
as
Michelle.
Just
just
talked
about
the
medical,
pavilion,
renovate
or
reuse
analysis
suggested
a
cost
of
42
million.
That
will
need
to
be
revisited
as
we
go
into
a
renovation
project,
but
as
we
think
about
the
proportionality
of
this
financing
strategy.
R
That's
where
we're
starting
from
and
a
lot
of
questions
to
be
answered
through
the
area
planning
process
and
to
figure
this
out.
Knowing
from
some
of
the
comments
earlier
tonight,
something
that
we've
been
considering
as
well
is
how
to
how
to
address
this
financing
strategy.
Knowing
that
we
will
want
to
consider
the
community
perceptions
and
there
values
the
cities
continued
stewardship
towards
public
resources
and
our
unique
position
as
a
property
owner
in
these
cases,
as
well
as
a
market
feasibility
of
implementing
these
plans.
R
So,
as
you
all
are
aware,
the
city
has
multiple
funding
priorities
on
the
horizon,
as
councilmember
Weaver
suggested
earlier.
There's
something
to
consider
with
ten
pound
ten
pound
meat
and
a
five
pound
bucket
part
of
that
is
to
look
at
all.
The
tools
in
our
toolbox
on
the
screen
is
just
an
example
of
some
of
the
things
that
we'll
be
considering,
knowing
that
we're
far
too
early
in
the
process
to
take
anything
off
or
either
add
anything
on
to
the
table.
R
R
Speaking
a
little
more
towards
phasing
as
you'll
see
on
this
screen
and
in
your
packet.
This
follows
the
familiar
graphic.
That's
also
a
handout
in
front
of
you
that
follow
the
financing
partnership
strategy
will
follow
the
same
methodology
as
the
Alpine
balsam
and
East
bookend
area
planning
process
and
then
intent
with
the
system
move
from
research
and
analysis
to
development
in
the
same
manner
that
the
area
plans
will
do.
As
you
may
have
questions,
we
will
be
happy
to
answer
those,
but
first
Molly
will
wrap
up
with
some
next
steps
right.
C
Thanks
Amanda,
so
to
recap
what
some
of
the
other
presenters
have
stated
previously
and
the
city
staff
will
move
forward
with
the
coordination
of
the
central
Broadway
area
planning
for
both
Alpine
area,
Alpine
balsam
area
and
the
Civic
area
spoken.
Sights
continue,
planning
for
city
facilities
and
services
in
these
areas
and
develop
an
Associated
financing
and
partnership
strategy
over
the
next
year,
you'll
be
seeing
an
information
packet
in
late
January
on
existing
condition
in
the
east
book,
in
which
will
be
the
basis
for
launching
area
planning
process
and
community
engagement
for
that
planning
area.
C
The
East
book
and
planning
will
be
synchronized
with
the
Alpine
balsam
area,
planning
phases
and
timeline,
and
we
will
have
check-ins
with
council
to
get
the
feedback
from
you
at
key
phases
along
the
way,
with
a
goal
of
plan
adoption
in
2019.
So
with
that.
That
concludes
our
part.
Two
we
have.
It
looks
like
about
25
minutes
for
council
conversation.
The
questions
we
are
asking
is:
do
you
have
feedback
on
the
medical,
pavilion,
reuse,
analysis
and
the
renovation
next
steps,
and
do
you
have
feedback
on
the
suggested
approach
to
develop
a
financial
partnership
strategy?
J
Q
Specifically,
building
that
that
floor,
the
actual
cost
that
we
presented
included
building
that
floor.
So
we
made
that
baseline
assumption
and
could
back
off
of
that
I
think
as
we
go
through
the
process
with
the
Alpine
balsam
area
planning
process
and
community
engagement
will
further
refine
that,
but
those
costs
actually
included
that
additional.
Q
Well,
we've
been:
we've
conducted
a
city
facilities
assessment,
a
first
phase
which
is
still
in
a
draft,
but
it
informed
essentially
at
a
high
level
which
departments
might
go
in
the
Civic
area
as
I'd
mentioned
and
which
we
would
recommend
consolidating
it.
Al
awesome,
working
with
the
two
area
planning
processes,
the
Civic
area
and
in
Alpine
balsam,
to
a
point
Molly
made
earlier.
Q
Q
We
start
to
learn
more
about
each
of
those
sites
we'll
get
into
more
and
the
pavilion
reuse
or
the
renovation
analysis
will
actually
help
us
get
into
that
at
the
with
regard
to
the
pavilion
and
the
Alpine
balsam
site.
So
we'll
start
looking
more
deeply
at
those
services
that
would
consolidate
their
what
would
fit
and
what
makes
sense
in
you
know,
in
keeping
with
the
vision
that
we
describe
for
that
site.
Okay,.
H
Well,
if
I
could
offer
feedback
and
I'm
just
on
the
medical
pavilion
I'm
thrilled
that
the
reuse
situation
comes
out,
so
favorably
I
mean
I'm
really
glad
to
see
us
being
able
to
reuse
some
of
the
hospital
site.
So
that's
that's
great
and
I,
really
like
some
of
the
vision
that
you
sketched
for
it.
I
do
want
to
be
careful,
though,
about
pre
determining
the
outcome
here,
because
we're
embarking
on
an
area
planning
process
and
I
we've
already
we've
taken
the
Brendan
building
and
say:
okay,
those
are
city
facilities.
H
So
that's
one
piece:
that's
fine,
but
well
it's
clear
that
this
building
is
well
suited
to
office
functions.
I,
think
we
can
peg
City
facilities
as
a
good
candidate,
but
I
think
we
really
should
do
the
aerial
planning
process
before
we
say
this
absolutely
is
a
city
building
because
I
mean
potentially
nonprofits
could
be
they
in
there
too.
If
we
work
with
the
county
that
could
be
combined
facility-
or
maybe
that's
a
different
one
somewhere
else
say
OSI
I
would
I
would
ask
us
to
not
predetermine
too
much
so
I
think
preserving
a
fantastic
good.
B
Also,
yes
to
that
and
yeah
you
reuse,
I'm,
just
gonna
put
a
pull
again
for
us
being
a
model
as
we
deconstruct
to
have
a
great
recycling
and
reuse
program
for
those
materials.
I
think
the
city.
We
have
great
policies,
but
they
are
not
always
implemented
and
it'd
be
great.
To
show
everybody
just
how
good
that
could
be
yeah
and.
G
L
Guess
I
just
I've,
never
really
understood
this
site
for
city
offices
I'm,
sorry,
and
it
especially
with
how
many
employees
live
out
of
the
city
and
how
central
this
location
is,
and
is
there
something
in
moving
city
offices
there
that
really
benefits
us
or
the
community?
Does
it
consolidate
offices
and
make
it
more
operations
more
efficient?
Does
it
allow
more
you
know,
community
engagement,
I
I
just
struggle
a
little
with
this
site,
so.
Q
One
reason
why
we
actually
purchased
the
site
was
to
consolidate,
and
so
right
now
we
are
actually
have
services
spread
out
across
about
14
different
buildings.
It's
hard
for
our
community
members
to
find
different
services
and
many
times
they'll
go
access,
something
in
one
place
and
then
they've
got
some
other
piece
of
business
and
they're
trying
to
find
their
way
to
another
location.
A
couple
things
that
consolidation
accomplishes
up
here
is:
we
are
also
leasing
space
at
a
decent
cost
and
so
consolidating
helps
us
get
out
of
leased
space.
Q
It
brings
our
services
together
and
can
create
a
better
way
just
like
it
was
described
with
the
hub
I
think
you
know
we
have
similar
goals
of
serving
the
community
and
providing
these
great
spaces.
We
also
can
look
at
realizing
some
goals
in
the
Civic
area,
master
plan
of
which
was
to
deconstruct
Park
central
in
New
Britain,
which
are
in
a
high
hazard,
floodplain
and
so
centralizing
and
consolidating
in
that
location
would
help
us
achieve
those
kinds
of
goals
and
become
more
efficient.
Q
We
realize
you
know
it
might
be
ideal
to
centralize
down
here
in
the
Civic
area,
but
there's
also
a
lot
of
you
know,
uses
again
to
go
back
to
the
ten
pounds
and
a
five-pound
bag.
We
don't
want
to
put
everything
here.
So
that's
where
we
did
look
at
how
do
we?
How
do
we
split
but
still
be
really
efficient
in
how
we
centralize
in
two
locations
and
how
do
we
develop
a
concept
around
it
that
makes
sense
and
make
sense
to
the
community
about
where
they
go,
to
engage
and
to
have
discourse?
F
I
want
to
get
a
big
picture
on
that
on
the
outlay
I
know,
there's
a
potential
to
monetize
some
of
the
property
as
well,
but
just
on
the
on
the
expense
side
of
things.
So
we
we
bought
the
property
for
forty
million
dollars
right
rough,
just
using
round
numbers
and
the
renovation,
including
adding
a
floor
to
the
pavilion
building,
is
round
numbers
about
forty
million
dollars.
F
Right
says
the
right
eighty
million
and
we
spent
should
we
spend
on
the
Britain
building
renovation
he's
eight,
so
we're
kind
of
in
the
zip
code
of
ninety
million
dollars
for
these
city
offices
before
we
start
monetizing
stuff
to
the
west.
Is
that
right,
big
picture?
Roughly
ninety
million
dollars
in
okay
thanks.
B
So
on
the
financing
piece,
anything
else
on
the
pavilion
piece
and
we
already
held
forth
on
parking
mean,
do
we
need
to
say
anything
else
about
the
parking.
Obviously,
that's
a
hot-button,
I
guess:
I'll
just
underscoring
the
parking
thing
that,
even
if
things
are
temporary
for
six
months,
doing
this
or
it's
still
six
months
of
relief.
So
anyhow,
but
it
sounds
like
that's.
This
discussions
are
happening
on
the
financing.
I
guess,
I'm,
glad
that
all
the
options
on
their
table
I
do
think
that
we
were
I'm,
not
an
expert
on
financing.
B
But
people
talk
to
us
about
creative
ways
that
people
in
the
community
could
also
invest
in
things
like
public
buildings
or
the
housing
piece
or
whatever
and
I
guess.
I
just
think
encourage
us
as
we
look
at
the
options
to
also
not
be
afraid
to
look
at
some
of
those
creative
options
that
some
of
the
some
of
our
colleagues
are
doing
in
other
cities.
B
And
again,
that's
not
my
area
of
expertise,
but
I
hear
a
lot
of
interesting
ideas
as
I'm
out
and
about
that
seems
like
you
know,
we
should
at
least
discuss
and
see
if
they
would
be
appropriate
for
pieces
of
this,
because
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
interest
in
the
community
in
well-being,
I
just
keep
saying
being
creative
but
being
innovative.
Maybe
that's
a
better
word
about
how
we
approach
this
so
that
we
don't
limit
ourselves
too
much.
H
What
just
one
more
thought
on
the
financing
ice
these
important
is.
We
do
the
area
plan
that
that
that
have
at
least
a
little
bit
of
a
test
fit
with
financial
resources
right
I
mean
that,
like
I
think
we
probably
know
that
we
can't
develop
the
whole
site
on
our
own
at
a
premium
level,
just
with
city
funding
right
so
and
so
that
just
that
those
those
constraints,
we
don't
know
exactly
what
they
are.
H
B
B
L
P
S
Right,
thank
you
for
having
us
this
evening
to
talk
about
broadband
I'm,
Julia,
Richman,
I'm,
the
chief
innovation
and
analytics
officer
for
the
city
of
Boulder
I'm.
Also,
the
interim
CIO
for
the
city
I'm
joined
by
Christmas
check
the
assistant
city
manager.
We
are
recently
on
boarded
to
this
project,
and
so
we're
going
to
talk
you
through
serve
what
we've
done
to
date
and
really
get
a
sense
from
you.
S
Our
goal
of
the
meeting
today
is
to
really
get
a
sense
from
you
about
the
process
that
we're
taking
to
explore
broadband
in
our
community
less
so
the
mechanics
of
broadband
delivery
and
much
more
about.
Are
we
on
the
right
track
with
regard
to
the
steps
we've
taken
to
date
and
our
plans
for
the
future,
so
I'll
move
forward.
So
we'll
give
you
a
little
bit
of
a
background
about
broadband
in
general
recognizing
we
have
some
new
council
members,
and
this
may
be
a
new
topic
to
you.
S
Okay,
so
just
wanting
to
get
everybody
level
set
on
the
concept
of
broadband,
broadband
can
kind
of
broadly
be
understood
as
internet
high-speed
Internet.
There
are
four
ways
that
you
can
deliver
broadband
services
and
what
we
want
to
talk
about
with
you
today
is
really
focused
on
fiber
services,
so
data
and
light
sent
over
glass
fibers.
We
have
a
spent.
We
have
made
an
investment
in
the
city
in
wireless
technologies
and
the
over
the
past
couple
of
years,
and
so
we
have
moved
forward
with
that.
S
But
the
focus
of
the
conversation
today
is
really
around
fiber.
Specifically,
we
wanted
to
set
the
context
for
or
what
we're
talking
about
when
we're
talking
about
high-speed
Internet-
and
you
know,
everyone
uses
the
internet
regularly.
If
you
have
access
to
it,
it's
pretty
much
a
human
right
at
this
point,
it
is
something
you
need
to
thrive,
to
learn,
to
gain
knowledge
and
to
access.
Your
community
in
many
ways,
and
we
wanted
to
set
the
context
for
you
about
sort
of
what
the
internet
looks
like
today,
because
it's
moving
and
changing
really
fast.
S
So
thinking
about
2016
last
year
or
two
years
ago
now
welcome
to
2018.
We
started
to
study
parts
of
our
community,
and
so
some
statistics
up
here
reflect
both
the
boulder
community,
specifically
but
also
kind
of
global
trends
around
the
internet.
So
we
see
in
our
studies
to
date
that
there
are
selective
services
to
parts
of
our
community,
so
maybe
you
live
in
one
of
those
and
you
have
spotty
or
low
speed
internet
inconsistent
internet
access.
S
We
also
know
that
about
two
to
four
percent
of
our
population
in
Boulder
have
access
to
no
internet
at
all.
So
that's
not!
You
know.
Spotty
internet,
that's
no
access!
We
also
know
that
in
many
of
the
sort
of
mobile
home
or
manufactured
home
communities
that
Internet
is
hard
to
come
by
and
people
are
using.
You
know
little
MiFi
personal
devices
and
things
like
that
and
if
you've
ever
used
one
of
those
it's
maddening,
so
that
may
not
constitute
high-speed
Internet
in
any
way.
S
We
also
saw
last
year
the
rescind
ins
of
net
neutrality
by
the
FCC
in
2015,
that
was
advanced,
that's
a
relatively
new
concept,
but
was
also
rescinded
last
year.
So
the
rules
of
the
game
have
changed
as
recently
as
last
year.
Some
things
to
think
about
just
in
terms
of
2016
speeds
in
the
internet,
we're
about
twenty
seven
point.
S
So
we
recognize
and
and
the
industry
is
showing
that
the
Internet
will
double
in
speed
in
the
next
five
years,
that
the
usage
by
an
individual
will
almost
triple
and
that
mobile
devices
will
actually
remain
fairly
consistent
in
terms
of
their
proportion
of
Internet
traffic.
Further
we're
gonna
move
from
eight
connected
devices
to
13
connected
devices.
So
again
nearly
double
that,
and
if
you
think
about
what
that
means,
it's
your
home.
S
J
S
S
This
all
to
just
set
the
context
of
the
Internet's
really
important
and
that
it's
changing
much
more
quickly
than
some
of
the
other
commodities
in
our
community.
This
is
changing
more
quickly
than
roads
and
water
than
other
things
that
we
provide
kind
of
in
a
mass
scale.
So
with
that,
I
wanted
to
talk
with
you
a
little
bit
about
kind
of
a
project
history
to
date,
and
so
the
world
is
changing
quickly
and
so
is
our
project.
S
In
2014,
the
voters
exempted
Boulder
from
Senate
bill
152,
which
basically
limited
our
ability
to
explore
telecommunications
as
a
Utah
utility
excuse
me
and
that
again
was
a
vote
of
the
people
it
passed
by
more
than
80
percent,
so
is
tremendously
popular
in
our
community
in
2015
or
2016.
We
spent
a
lot
of
time
investing
in
wireless
expansion,
and
we
conducted
a
fiber
feasibility
study
to
understand
sort
of
what
broadband
could
look
like
in
our
community.
S
We
then,
over
the
course
of
last
year,
began
to
explore
what
partnership
options
could
look
like
for
that
fiber
and
and
thought
about
that,
because
we
had
available
options
in
some
vendor
partners
who
were
interested
in
both
meeting
our
goals
and
constraints,
and
also
we're
looking
at
the
opportunity
to
really
build
out
in
Boulder.
So
that
brings
us
to
where
we
are
today,
which
is
really
in
the
process
of
refining
our
goals,
objectives
and
moving
into
the
discussion
with
you
all
I'll
turn
over
to
you.
Thanks.
T
Julia
so
as
we
talk
about
the
project
vision
and
we
reflect
on
kind
of
where
we've
been
and
that
on
the
landscape,
as
Julia
mentioned
is,
is
evolving
and
our
landscape
related
partners
potentially
has
evolved
as
well
and
I'll
get
into
that
a
little
bit
more.
But
the
project
vision
as
it
was
stated
back
in
2016,
really
is.
How
do
we
provide
a
world-class
community,
telecommunications
infrastructure
and
really
that
connectivity
and
recognizing
that
connectivity
is
really
as
Julia
set
the
stage
for
kind
of
essential
going
forward?
T
They
aren't
criteria
but
they're,
really
principles
to
help
frame
the
conversation.
So
we've
refined
the
principles
a
little
bit
to
include
now
from
four
to
six.
So
the
first
is
about
citywide
access.
So
that's
about
really
infrastructure
and
access
for
everyone
in
the
community,
and
the
second
is
equitable
and
inclusive
that
really
we
should
make
sure
that
it's
for
everyone
and
that
it
isn't
cherry-picking
or
providing
maybe
infrastructure
in
a
community
part
of
the
community
where
subscriber
rates
may
be
higher
than
others.
The
next
is
about
future-oriented
and
the
idea
is
really.
T
How
do
we
make
sure
we
meet
the
long-term
needs
of
our
community?
Well,
also
recognizing
that,
right
now
there
are
things
around
4G
densification
that
are
occurring
future
5g
wireless,
which
is
superfast
wireless
connectivity.
So
how
do
we
make
sure
we
build
an
infrastructure
that
would
be
ready,
for
that
was
future
evolutions
in
the
market.
T
The
next
one
is
about
a
competitive
marketplace,
and
this
guiding
principle
is
unchanged
from
what
it
was
before,
but
really,
how
do
we
make
sure
that
we
facilitate
a
marketplace
in
the
community
that
is
competitive
as
nest
as
reasonably
possible,
really
for
the
benefit
of
of
our
residents
and
consumers
in
the
community?
And
then
unfettered
access
is
really
about
the
principles
of
net
neutrality.
T
How
do
we
make
sure
that
there
data
caps
or
there
aren't
kind
of
those
potentials
that
we've
read
about
in
the
newspaper
about
pay
to
play
or
throttling
that
sort
of
thing,
and
then
the
last
is
about
open
access
and
that's
how
do
we
design
infrastructure
or
a
solution
that
could
facilitate?
Maybe
even
multiple
partners,
utilizing
that
network.
G
T
Reflected
in
there
I'm
actually
going
to
specifically
address
that
as
a
little
bit
here
further
in
the
presentation,
so
there's
some
key
areas
for
project
exploration
that
were
we've
identified,
and
that
is
really
for
the
city
to
take
steps
to
build
out
its
fiber
capacity,
and
if
we
do
that,
which
model
should
we
take?
Should
we
look
at
a
public-private
partnership,
or
should
we
look
at
a
public
build
out
and
then,
along
with
that,
the
other
key
issue
is:
how
should
we
fund
that
effort,
so
the
project
scope
reflects
that
same
kind
of
two
areas.
T
T
Do
want
to
note
that
for
the
analysis
of
the
project
so
far,
we've
not
assumed
that
the
city,
at
least
at
the
outset,
would
be
the
provider
of
kind
of
the
retail
internet
or
and
be
the
internet
service
provider
that
we
would
that
we
would
lease
the
fiber
network
to
one
or
more
providers
and,
depending
on
the
arrangement
that
we
set
up,
we
may
or
may
not
be
able
to
preclude
that.
But
I'm
gonna
specifically
dive
into
this
a
little
bit
more
and
address
your
question
that
you're
asking
Lisa.
P
B
T
Gonna
specifically
address
the
city
being
an
isp,
so
we've
also
heard
some
comments
and
questions
about
the
relationship
or
interrelationship
of
broadband
to
municipal
ization,
and
so
there
are
some
synergies
as
well
as
some
differences
between
the
two,
but
ultimately
we
do
see
them
as
two
distinct
efforts.
There's
four
areas
that
I
wanted
to
dive
into
a
little
bit.
The
first
is
related
to
the
construction
or
building
process
during
the
construction
process
of
broadband.
T
The
vast
majority
of
the
way
the
infrastructure
would
be
installed
is
underground
through
a
boring
process
where
you're
boring
conduit
into
the
ground
and
then
pulling
fiber
through
it.
There
could
be
a
chance
that
there's
some
areas
where
we
may
need
to
do
some
work.
If
we
were
to
start
an
electric
utility
there's
a
part
of
that
separation
process
where
that
work
would
occur
in
the
same
spot.
If
that's
the
case,
we
would
obviously
want
to
coordinate
that
work,
but
other
areas
of
the
city.
T
We
may
just
be
doing
that
underground,
underground
work,
the
other
benefit
that
could
be
there
if
we
had
our
own
electric
utility
would
be
related
to
the
aerial
portions
in
the
city
where
the
electric
utility
is
above
ground
and
other
communications
infrastructure
is
above
ground.
There's
a
process
of
what's
called
pole,
attachments
or
making
those
poles
available
for
our
fiber.
If
we
owned
those
poles,
we'd
only
have
to
ask
permission
to
ourselves
to
attach
to
those
rather
than
another
utility.
So
there
is
a
benefit
there.
T
H
T
It
depends
on
what
kind
of
electric
and
what
kind
of
fiber
is
my
very
basic
knowledge,
but
we
can
get
more
detailed
information
to
answer
that
related
to
the
financing
based
on
what
we
know
today.
Financing
for
broadband
and
municipal
ization
would
require
separate
revenue
sources
due
to
Tabor,
as
well
as
some
of
the
debt
capacity
and
revenue
requirements.
So
we
also
recognize
that
funding
a
broadband
network
would
potentially
be
a
significant
amount
of
money.
Funding.
The
start-up
of
our
municipal
electric
utility
is
also
a
significant
amount
of
money,
so
there
is
that
factor.
T
That's
floating
out
there
related
to
operating.
There
are
some
similar
customer
service
center
needs
between
both
an
electric
utility
and
a
broadband
service,
but
actual
system
maintenance
operations
are
really
different.
Businesses
between
the
two
and
then
last
is
timing.
So
build-out
of
a
broadband
network
could
take
the
city
about
two
to
four
years.
Once
we
have
that
funding
in
place
and
depending
on,
if
we
move
forward
to
a
ballot
item
this
November,
we
could
actually
be
well
under
construction
before
we.
T
We
know
exactly
what
will
happen
with
our
municipal
electric
utility,
but
all
of
that
now
said,
let's
say
we
were
to
do
both.
That
doesn't
mean
that
in
the
future,
once
both
have
started
up
and
are
going
that
we
couldn't
connect
those
two
from
operational
or
service
provision
standpoint
and
we
could
have
them,
have
them
function
together,
so
it
doesn't
close
the
door
on
that
in
the
future.
T
So
now
diving
into.
Where
are
we
headed
over
this
next
year?
So
previously
we've
done
the
feasibility
analysis.
What
that
feasibility
analysis
has
told
us
is
that
full
build-out
of
a
broadband
network
is
somewhere
between
a
hundred
and
a
hundred
and
forty
million
dollars
throughout
the
entire
community
and
there's
some
different
approaches.
T
So
with
that,
what
really
are
the
options
that
we're
looking
at
and
all
the
options
are
on
the
table
at
this
point,
no
options
are
off
the
table
based
on
how
the
landscape
has
changed
related
to
the
partners
that
are
out
there.
We
want
to
look
at
all
the
different
options.
These
are
in
no
particular
order.
The
previous
direction
that
we
had
heard
from
council
was
to
focus
on
the
partnership
option,
but,
as
I
mentioned,
that
landscapes
change,
so
it's
time
to
step
back.
So
the
first
option
is
obviously
do
nothing.
T
Let
the
market
grow
at
whatever
rate
the
market
wants
to
grow
at
providing
broadband
services
in
the
community.
The
partnerships
option
is
to
look
and
see
if
there's
a
viable
partner
for
the
city
to
work
with
the
next
option
is
a
fiber
only
option
city
build
fiber
only
and
that's
one
where
we
would
build
the
fiber
network
and
then
we
would
lease
it
through
negotiated
agreements
with
one
or
more
internet
service
providers,
so
this
is
sometimes
referred
to
as
a
wholesale
model
or
a
dark
fiber
model.
T
So
if
you
read
the
previous
reports,
you'll
see
those
words
in
it.
The
last
option
is
a
city
build
fiber
plus
an
ISP,
so
this
is
similar
to
that
previous
option.
I
described
except
the
city
of
Boulder,
would
be
one
of
the
internet
service
providers
to
be
able
to
provide
Internet
service.
In
other
words,
we
would
start
an
Internet
service
provider
business.
Now,
an
important
note
to
that
is
that
we
haven't
done
the
detailed
business
case
analysis
for
starting
up
that
business.
T
So,
as
I
mentioned,
we're
targeting
that
March
or
Spring
City
Council
meeting
to
check
in
on
the
options
analysis
see
where
we're
at
and
then
through
June.
We
would
work
on
refining
the
options
work
on.
Is
there
what's
the
preferred
option
and
then
bring
that
forward
to
council
here
for
a
June
public
hearing
where
we
would
make
a
decision
on
whether
to
proceed
with
a
ballot
item
and
select
an
option?
If
we
do
that,
then
we
would
work
on
preparing
an
item
for
the
ballot
through
that
August
and
September
timeframe.
T
So
that's
where
we're
headed
and
we'll
be
looking
for
thoughts
and
feedback
on.
If,
if
this
is
the
right
approach
and
timeline,
you
saw
us
a
graphic
very
similar
to
this
in
the
Alpine
Boston
presentation
on
just
before
us,
and
all
this
does
is.
It
shows
the
nine
steps
to
good
engagement
related
to
the
phases
of
this
project
and
I'll
dive
into
that.
T
In
a
little
bit
more
detail
here,
the
broadband
project
is
a
pilot
for
the
city's
engagement
framework
on
that
we
discussed
back
in
November
and
we've
developed
five
principles
for
how
we
want
to
do
engagement
for
broadband.
The
first
is
related
to
raising
awareness,
so
tactics
that
we
might
use
for
this
are
things
like
informational
sessions,
materials,
newsletters,
videos,
social
media,
that
sort
of
thing.
The
second
is
to
tap
into
the
technical
and
financing
expertise
within
the
community.
M
T
Help
us
make
sure
that
we're
that
our
analysis
covers
all
the
different
aspects
that
we're
not
missing
anything
to
really
help
make
sure
that
that
we're
doing
the
best
work
that
we
can
do
so.
The
third
engagement
principle
is
about
reaching
audiences
that
are
feeling
the
impacts
of
the
digital
digital
divide.
It's
kind
of
the
term
so
trying
to
understand
what
are
the
areas
of
our
community
that
lack
internet
access.
T
We
hear
anecdotal
stories
about
whether
it's
in
mobile
home
parks
or
even
school
kids
that
struggle
to
get
their
homework
done
because
of
Internet
access
so
being
able
to
really
reach
the
audiences
through
our
community
partners,
to
have
some
one-on-one
conversations
and
then
collect
some
stories
to
be
able
to
really
make
sure
that
that
everyone
understands
that
my
internet
service
might
be
a
little
bit
different
than
than
your
internet
service.
That
sort
of
thing
the
next
principle
is
about
effectively
assessing
public
opinion,
and
so
this
one's
really
important
I
think
as
we
go
forward.
T
If,
if
we
want
to
make
a
decision
on
whether
to
put
something
on
the
ballot
for
this
year
is
to
really
understand
where
the
community
is
at,
we
hear
a
lot
about
a
lot
of
support
for
broadband,
and
it's
not.
If
we
should
do
it,
it's
really
how
we
should
do
it.
Should
we
partner,
should
we
not
partner?
How
much
is
this
gonna
cost?
T
The
first
is
about
revisions
to
the
purpose,
vision
and
objectives.
The
second
is
discounsel
agree
with
the
project,
scope
and
phasing
in
order
to
consider
a
2018
ballot
item
and
then,
lastly,
any
feedback
on
the
draft
engagement
and
communications
plan.
So
with
that
we're
happy
to
answer
questions,
let's.
N
I'd
like
to
hear
from
Bob
about
the
full
bonding
capacity
of
boat,
because
one
of
the
discussions
we
had
during
the
you
need
you
know.
Financial
impacts
spoke
to
that
a
little
bit
so
I'd
love
to
hear
from
Bob
on
just
thoughts
of
doing
one
or
both
or
the
order
of
doing
them
from
a
financing
perspective.
P
Thank
you
Sam,
it's
a
great
question
because,
right
now
we
have
many
unknowns
in
both
areas.
If
we
were
talking
about
municipal
ization
and
talking
about
broadband,
we
talked
I'm
gonna,
get
back
up
and
give
a
little
background
because
these
large
projects
like
this,
we
always
have
their
problem
up
front.
The
first
year
before
we
have
revenues
that
are
flowing,
we
had
it
with
Boulder
Junction
we've
talked
about
it.
P
When
we
talk
about
the
hotel
combination,
the
hotel
parking
garage
we've
always
got
that
gap
that
we
have
to
cover
in
the
municipal
ization
in
the
electric
utility.
Once
we
own
that
utility
we
have
the
right
to
issue
revenue
bonds
and
therefore
we
have
a
stream
of
revenue
that
can
pay
for
that
now.
If
we
have
a
cost
before
that,
we
have
to
figure
out
how
to
pay
for
those
same
way
with
broadband,
but
in
the
different
there
is
a
big
difference:
broadband
we
will
not
be
a
monopoly
in
broadband,
we
will
be
a
monopoly.
P
P
Now
we've
got
these
costs
before
that.
We
have
to
figure
out
how
to
pay
for
that
now.
If
we
have
a
broadband
that
has
to
come
in
with
100
140
million
dollars,
we
put
that
with
the
electric
utility
and
now
the
debt
service
we've
got
coverage
problems
for
that
capital
that
we're
going
to
need
to
build
later
on
and
then
later
years,
the
third,
the
fourth
the
fifth
of
six
year
in
capital.
So
when
Chris
was
saying,
five
I
would
say
five
seven
years
from
now.
P
B
N
Another
question
when
we
passed
our
muni
vote
in
2011
that
was
to
fund
the
groundwork
for
deciding
if
a
meanie
made
sense
right,
it
was
doing
the
prep
and
we'll
get
to
the
end
of
it
and
say
yes
or
no,
so
was
a
funding
source
for
the
essentially
the
feasibility
studies
and
really
learning
about
it.
Is
that
the
kind
of
thinking
that
you're
doing
for
what
would
be
on
the
2018
ballot?
There
be
a
funding
source
for
understanding
the
full
costs,
because
I
don't
have
banned
broadband
yeah?
N
T
We're
thinking
for
broadband
is
actually
it
would
be
to
go
on.
The
ballot
would
be
the
revenue
source,
as
well
as
the
debt
authorization
to
build
a
network,
so
it
would
be
going
to
move
forward
to
build
it
and
and
create
that
broadband
network,
so
it
would
be
a
new
revenue
source
to
cover
the
debt
service
of
whatever
that
cost
would
be
right.
Now,
it's
somewhere
between
100
and
140
million,
depending
on
which
option
we
choose.
It
could
be
less
than
that.
But
that's
the
the
work
that
we're
working
on
now
so.
N
In
the
case
of
the
mute,
we
have
a
full
financial
business
model,
that's
totally
fleshed
out,
and
that
was
what
we
required
before.
We
would
say
something
like
yes
go
ahead
and
build
it
now,
there's
other
regulatory
things
in
there
from
a
financial
perspective
we
had
said
we
need
to
know
the
full
cost
and
have
the
business
model
totally
tweaked
out
before
we
go
to
voters
for
approval
of
the
actual
project.
So
what's
the
difference
in
thinking
here
between
this
and
the
meaning
I.
T
Think
some
of
the
differences
are
obviously
it
depends
on
which
option
we
we
decide
to
go
forward
on
if
we
go
forward
with
that
city,
build
fibre,
only
we're
building
infrastructure
and
then
we'd
be
working
with
someone
who
would
actually
light
that
fiber
and
provide
retail
Internet
service.
So
we
would
be
in
the
ownership
of
infrastructure.
There
isn't
a
lot
of
additional
business
analysis
necessary
if
we
decide
to
provide,
can.
N
It
seems
to
me
like
there
is
business
analysis
required,
because
we'll
the
lease
rates
be
attractive
to
the
ISPs,
will
it
be
enough
to
cover
the
full-on
debt
service
requirements
so
how
I
mean
it
seems
like
either
way
there's
a
business
model
that
has
to
get
validated
and
it
has
to
be
validated
pretty
thoroughly.
If
we're
gonna
be
responsible
about
this,
and
so
a
question
I
would
have
is
do
you
think
in
your
timeline?
You
know
we're
picking
options
further
down
the
line.
I,
don't
know
april/may
kind
of
timeframe,
and
we
pick
an
option.
T
That
the
the
dark
fiber
model,
or
that
kind
of
this
city
build
fiber
only
model
on
that
business
case
analysis
for
that
has
already
been
completed.
What
we
haven't
done
is
if
the
city
were
to
enter
in
as
the
Internet
service
provider
like
Longmont,
has
done,
and
at
what
Fort
Collins
is
exploring.
That's
the
more
detailed
work
that
we
haven't
done.
We
have
it
at
a
very
high
level,
but
not
enough
that
we
should
rely
on
it
for
decision
making
we'd
want
to
dive
in
and
do
more
of
that.
So
that's
the
sort
of
yes.
N
Another
question
you
say:
the
business
model
has
been
validated
for
the
dark
fiber
model.
When
we
talk
about
the
Muni
there's
a
spreadsheet,
the
financial
forecasting
tool,
that's
online,
that
any
citizen
can
go
open
up
and
play
with
the
assumptions
and
look
at
what
that
does
to
the
business
case.
Do
you
have
something
like
that
available
for
the
dark
fiber
model
tell.
T
P
Those
models
are
ones
that
I've
been
working
with.
Is
the
consultants
put
them
together?
There's
been
a
lot
of
communication
back
and
forth
on
the
models
we
were
looking
at
previously,
so
those
models
are
pretty
robust.
It's
now
the
next,
the
ones
we
haven't
completely
finished,
or
we
want
to
look
at
saying,
adding
the
city
as
an
ISP.
What
is
there
gonna?
N
I'll,
just
close
with
I
think
it
would
be
valuable
for
citizens
to
look
I
mean
I.
Do
it
with
the
financial
forecasting
tool
to
be
able
to
have
some
insight
into
what
the
sensitivities
are,
so
that
if
you
couldn't
get
this
lease
right
and
it
was
like
that
and
what's
the
impact
to
the
debt
service
coverage,
you
know
I'd
like
to
look
at
the
models
and
say:
where
did
they
break?
N
H
N
T
There's
that
additional
business
case
analysis
for
us
to
look
at
entering
into
the
market
as
a
Internet
service
provider.
That
work
will
require
some
consultants
support,
depending
on
exactly
how
fast
we
initiate
that
work.
We
could
have
that
work.
Ideally
by
that
March
conversation,
we
may
need
to
push
that
date
out
a
little
bit,
but
we
definitely
be
able
to
have
it
before.
We
would
make
any
kind
of
decision
on
the
exact
point
to
go
forward
in
June
and.
G
G
T
We're
well
where
we
were
where
we've
been
on.
The
project
is
doing
a
lot
of
analysis,
and
we
do
see
that
there's
an
urgency
in
how
the
market
is
evolving
and
especially
as
Julia
showed,
with
a
lot
of
those
statistics.
That's
2021
where
those
numbers
were,
and
so
the
big
risk
of
waiting
is
just.
We
continue
to
be
further
and
further
behind
right.
G
So
to
Bob,
Sam
asked
about
the
binding
capacity
current
capacity
for
the
city
and
when
we
just
finished
with
a
discussion
about
the
site,
the
Alpine
balsam
site
and
in
order
to
acquire
that
site,
we
put
forty
forty
eight
million
dollars
in
two
certificates
of
public
participation,
and
basically
that
means
that
we
put
most
of
our
assets
into
that.
Is
that
correct
or
do
I
not
follow
that
right?
We.
P
Can
start
there's
two
different
ways
to
do
that?
If
we
did,
we
did
certificates
of
participation
of
by
the
hospital.
We
did
not
use
the
buildings
on
that
site
because
we
didn't
know
I
understand
we're
going
to
use
it.
So
if
we
have
buildings
that
are
left
there,
they
can
become
assets.
We
can
use
later
that's.
If
we
use
certificates
of
participation,
we
would
still
have
to
have
break
loose.
P
A
hundred
million
dollars
is
roughly
just
roughly
eight
million
dollars
a
year
for
20
years
in
principle
and
interest,
so
you
have
to
have
that
source
of
revenue
to
make
the
payments
each
year
if
it's
a
hundred
million
dollars.
So
if
you
can't
break
loose,
if
you
have
a
hundred
million
dollars,
you
can't
break
loose
eight
million
dollars
out
of
your
general
fund.
Then
you
have
to
have
a
new
revenue
source
of
eight
billion
or
part
of
it
to
pay
that
annual
debt
service.
G
G
Forty
eight
million
dollars-
something
like
that,
and
so
we
have
to
come
up
with
some
other
kind
of
revenue,
and
so
before
we
go
really
any
farther.
It
would
be
very
very
helpful
to
understand
how
much
in
debt
are
we
really
getting
the
city
into
with
this
direction.
At
this
point
in
time
and
I'll
leave
my
comments
to
later
Cindy.
J
T
H
Talking
about
the
wholesale
model
were
word,
the
dark
fiber
model
where
we're
bringing
in
partner
or
we're
having
other
people
leased.
The
fiber
right
to
be
ISPs,
who
would
we
anticipate,
might
be
we'd,
be
soliciting
bids
would
be
going
out
to
people
who?
What
companies?
What
might
we
expect
to
do
that
I?
Think.
T
We
would
definitely
be
soliciting
bids
for
that,
and
it
could
be
a
wide
range.
It
could
be.
Maybe
some
of
the
partners
that
we
spoke
to
before
it
theoretically
could
even
be
the
current
incumbents
of
Comcast
or
CenturyLink,
and
so
I
think
there's
options
or
opportunities
for
others
to
use
it.
There
is
also
the
potential
in
other
communities,
some
of
like
the
cell
phone
providers,
have
used
it
as
part
of
the
backhaul
to
their
cell
towers,
so
that
could
be
Verizon
AT&T
t-mobile,
those
sorts
of
things.
H
T
We
have
some
of
that
information.
I
will
totally
admit
I,
don't
remember
all
of
those
cities
of
the
different
models,
but
that's
what
we
would
bring
back
to
you
in
March
is
examples
of
those
cities.
Different
cities
have
had
different
levels
of
success,
both
in
the
wholesale
model
as
well
as
in
the
isp
model
of
them.
Providing
some
have
been
really
successful
out
of
it.
T
H
If
we
thought
about
something,
that's
a
little
different
than
what
you've
talked
about,
which
is
like
you
were
saying,
one
of
the
principles
was
open
access,
meaning
hey
we'll
lease
it
to
anybody
who
has
a
decent
business
plan
is
willing
to
meet
our
other
criteria
and
then
there's
the
city
as
the
full
retail
provider
right
where
people
are
actually
paying
us
for
their
internet
access.
Is
there
some
model,
where
we
contract
with
a
third
party,
to
light
that
fiber
and
provide
the
customer
service
to
clients
to
residents?
T
T
G
T
T
Then
what
what?
Essentially
that
provider
pays
for
leasing,
utilizing
our
network
that
would
pay
for
some
of
that
debt
service
in
the
startup
as
Bob
talked
about
there's
such
a
massive
capital
investment
at
the
front
end.
The
those
lease
rates
wouldn't
cover
your
debt
payments
at
the
beginning
and
then
there's
a
certain
break-even
point
where
you
break
even
and
you
start
to
make
money,
and
so
that's
about
how
you
structure
the
financing.
T
So
if
you
read
the
NPR
article
about
Fort
Collins,
you
saw
that
they
project
that
it's
in
year
14
that
they
start
making
money.
So
we
have
some
of
that
preliminary
analysis,
but
we
would
want
to
do
more
detailed
analysis
depending
on
which
model
we
take
to
then
understand
what
the
right
financing
approach
is,
so
that
you
don't
you
don't
under
or
also
overcharge
and.
B
M
So
I
remember
last
year,
when
we
had,
we
were
talking
about
the
other
approach
that
we
were
taking.
The
topic
came
up
with
respect
to
an
alternative
to
fiber,
to
premise
and
how
that
technology
was
evolving
and
that
it
might
be
a
possibility,
and
it
sounds
like
we've
forgotten
that
option
and
why
sure.
T
I
can
flush
that
in
and
if
julia
has
anything
to
add
and
two
I
would
say
we're
not.
We
haven't
forgotten
that
option.
That's
actually
part
of
why
we're
doing
this
backbone
analysis
right
now
is
there's
the
potential
with
what's
called
5g
wireless
connection,
so
you
know
on
your
cell
phone
right
now
you
have
4G
or
LTE
speeds.
T
5G
wireless
is
just
emerging
in
the
market.
Now
and
it's
it's,
you
can
get
almost
a
gigabit
speeds
using
5g
wireless.
So
there's
the
potential
that
in
the
future
we
don't
even
need
fiber
drops
to
each
premise:
you
would
get
into
a
neighborhood
area
and
there
would
be
this
5g
wireless
node
and
then
you
would
have
essentially
like
a
modem
in
your
house
that
would
connect
wirelessly
to
that
node
and
then
you'd
have
internet
access.
P
T
You'd
still
have
to
have
the
fiber
backbone
from
that
node
back
to
all
the
way
where
you
connect
to
the
broader
Internet,
so
you
still
need
a
fiber
network
of
some
size.
That
technology
is
evolving,
is
just
coming
out
so
depending
on
where
it
is
that's
why
we
added
that
principle
about
making
sure
that
it's
a
future-oriented
design
so
that
we
don't
over,
build
or
design
a
network
that
wouldn't
support
that
5g
wireless
as
it
becomes
mainstream.
S
M
T
Less
of
an
expert
in
mesh
networking,
what
I
have
what
I
do
understand
about
it
is
that
is
a
way
to
essentially
provide
Internet
access
speeds
you
can
attain
by.
That
is
the
piece
that
I
really
don't
understand
and
know
enough
about
so
I
don't
want
to
I,
don't
want
to
guess,
but
typically
a
lot
of
times
that
mesh
networking
is
done
through
Wi-Fi,
which
is
you
know
like
in
this
building.
M
S
Think
to
the
the
hard
thing
about
this
conversation
is
you
have
the
confluence
of
the
changing
technology
options
and
the
ownership
options
and
they're
not
necessarily
mutually
exclusive?
So
you
know
when
we're
talking
about
the
fiber,
only
option
that
could
be
fiber
core
and
backbone,
but
could
also
be
fiber
to
premises
that
we
own
or
lease,
and
so
you
know
as
we
explore
this.
All
of
those
options
can
be
laid
on
the
table
in
terms
of
pricing
in
terms
of
partnership.