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B
Great
good
evening,
everyone
and
well
actually,
I'm
not
gaveling
us
in
but
good
evening,
everyone
and
welcome
to
the
june
21st
2022
meeting
of
the
boulder
city
council
and
we're
going
to
get
started
here
with
a
few
announcements
before
we
officially
begin
the
meeting
and
our
first
announcement
is
about
code,
19,
testing
and
vaccinations
for
information
about
testing
and
provider
locations
for
free
kevin
19
testing
go
to
www.boco.org
testing
the
boulder
site
is
a
2445.
Stazio
drive,
that's
open.
Seven
days
a
week
from
8
am
to
6
pm
information.
B
And
next
we
have
a
council
meeting
day
change.
This
is
our
very
last
tuesday
meeting
for
the
boulder
city
council
this
year
until
something
else
changes
so
beginning
on
july.
14Th,
after
our
break
on
2022
city
council
meetings
and
study
sessions,
will
change
from
tuesdays
to
thursdays.
Start
time
remains
at
6
pm,
so
that
will
impact
some
boarding
commission
meeting
times
and
some
sign
up
timelines.
B
So
the
list
of
those
are
that
planning
board
will
have
new
meeting
times
on
the
first
third
and
fourth
tuesdays
of
the
month
at
6.
Pm
board
of
zoning
and
adjustments
has
second
tuesdays
of
the
month.
At
4,
pm
design
advisory
board
will
be
on
the
second
wednesday
of
the
month
at
4
pm,
and
the
public
comment
sign
up.
B
Timeline
will
open
friday
before
the
meeting
at
8
a.m
and
close
wednesday
before
the
meeting
at
2
p.m
and
more
information
about
this
transition
can
be
found
at
boulder,
colorado,
dot,
gov,
slash
announcement,
slash,
council,
dash
meeting
dash
day
change
and
then
one
more
announcement
that
we
do
not
have
a
slide
for
is
I
wanted
to
let
everybody
know
that
the
annual
city,
food
tax
rebate
program
is
open
for
applications.
B
It's
been
open
since
since
march
1st,
but
it
does
close
on
june
30th,
so
applicants
should
get
their
applications
in
before
june
30th
and
please
for
information
on
that
program.
I
won't
go
into
all
the
details,
but
you
can
find
that
at
boulder
colorado,
dot,
gov
services,
slash
food
dash,
tax
dash
rebate,
dash
program
and
thanks
very
much
to
council
member
speer
for
suggesting
that
announcement.
B
Okay
with
that
that
gets
us
through
our
announcements.
So
I
can
now
gavel
this
open
and
get
the
roll
call
going.
So
let's
call
the
order
and
elisha.
Please
read
the
role.
C
D
E
F
B
C
B
So
ryan,
are
you
going
to
read
our
guidelines
this
evening.
A
Yes
happy
to
do
that
and
thank
you
emily
for
pulling
up
those
slides
and
thanks
to
community
members
who
have
joined
us
this
evening
to
share
your
perspective
and
your
opinion
and
in
participating
in
the
city
council
meetings.
The
city
has
engaged
with
me
members
to
co-create
the
vision
for
productive,
meaningful
and
inclusive
civic
conversations,
and
this
vision
does
support
physical
and
emotional
safety
for
community
members,
staff
and
council,
as
well
as
democracy
for
people
of
all
identities.
A
A
And
I
want
to
share
a
few
examples
of
rules
of
decorum
found
in
the
boulder
revised
code,
another
guidelines
that
will
support
this
vision
and
our
open
comment
in
public
hearing
this
evening.
These
will
be
upheld
during
this
time.
All
remarks
and
testimony
shall
be
limited
to
matters
related
to
city
business.
A
B
E
I
I
I
I
I
I've
got
to
talk
about
the
six
million
dollar
rest
restrooms.
Next
to
the
courthouse,
where
the
homeless
people
ripped
out
one
of
the
toilets
for
ten
thousand
dollars,
and
they
can't
keep
the
lines
clean
there,
so
they
have
santa
potties
on
the
pearl
street
mall.
This
is
boulder.
What
are
we
doing
here?
Six
million
dollars
for
a
freaking
restroom
that
doesn't
even
work.
That
was
20
years
ago.
We
paid
6
million
bucks
for
that
restroom.
I
For
christ's
sake,
that's
in
six
houses.
I
went
on
the
transportation
advisory
the
transportation
department
trip
today
on
the
bike
to
look
at
the
co
at
the
capital
improvements
projects.
It
sounds
like
you're
doing
too
much
planning
and
too
little
action.
I
Okay,
john
taylor,
he's
talking
about
jobs,
housing
imbalance
then.
J
My
name
is
patrick
murphy.
I've
lived
in
boulder
52
years,
the
planet
burns
floods
and
dies
while
boulder
fiddles
with
climate
change.
I
repeat
it
because
it's
true
and
it's
based
on
observation
of
boulder's
past
climate
mitigation
performance,
which
is
often
the
best
indicator
of
future
performance
boulder
climate
change
leaders
are
great
at
talking
a
good
story,
but
when
will
they
be
judged
on
results
rather
than
smart
narratives?
J
Tonight
you'll
talk
about
electric
bikes
they're
great,
but
what
about
the
equity
filter
when
you
incentivize
the
purchase
of
e-bikes,
you
better
have
an
income-based
incentive.
Otherwise
you
support
the
wealthy
and
not
lower-income
groups.
Remember
that
unless
the
electricity
charging,
those
bikes
is
linked
to
solar
or
wind,
it's
still
the
carbon
equivalent
of
burning
44
coal.
J
H
K
Hi,
I'd
like
to
thank
council
for
considering
ebike
violet
in
a
larger
program
next
year
with
climate
tax.
Community
cycles
is
willing
to
do
whatever
it
takes
to
make
this
program
happen,
either
the
pilot
or
the
larger
program,
regardless
of
if
we
are
contracted
to
work
on
it
or
not.
K
We
believe
e-bikes
will
be
a
game
changer
for
boulder,
especially
for
those
with
longer
road
trips,
based
on
our
experience,
working
with
the
can-do
e-bike
pilot
program
and
working
in
the
community
for
16
years
and
getting
thousands
of
bikes
out
in
the
community,
including
over
12
000
bikes
given
to
low-income
children
and
adults.
We
feel
this
program
of
most
successful
vouchers
are
given
to
low-income
people
and
the
general
public,
as
we've
written
in
our
proposal,
and
is
being
done
in
every
similar
program
in
the
united
states.
K
This
will
allow
us
to
get
more
bikes
out,
reduce
overhead
costs
and,
most
importantly,
achieve
the
greatest
bmt
reduction.
Our
can
do
pilot
program
awarded
50
e-bikes
to
low
and
middle-income
essential
workers
that
do
in-person
work.
We
worked
through
employers
which
allowed
us
to
better
connect
with
the
participants.
K
The
funding
required
us
to
track
trips
for
two
years
after
the
initial
qualification.
We
chose
participants
based
on
bmpt
reduction.
The
majority
of
participants
worked
in
boulder
but
did
not
live
in
boulder.
They
were
also
given
a
heavy
duty
lock
and
accessories.
A
250
dollar
payment
was
required
to
get
buy
into
the
payment
to
the
program.
We
have
found
a
payment
of
some
level
important
to
participate
in
all
of
our
programs,
including
the
very
low
earn
about
low
income,
burn
burn
a
bike
program.
K
50
bikes
were
given
out,
one
was
stolen,
two
have
been
returned
because
the
people
didn't
use
them
and
wanted
their
deposit
back.
One
has
gone
missing,
presumably
sold,
which
was
not
permitted,
though
we
have
been
unable
to
track
down
that
person.
The
data
which
I've
I
share
with
transportation
staff
show
people
are
replacing
considerable
number
of
car
trips
with
e-bikes
chips.
I
can
get
into
that
date
and
more.
If
this
program
develops,
I've
also
pulled
boulder
bike
shop
owners
about
participation,
support
of
the
potential
program.
I
am
happy
to
share
those
comments.
K
B
B
B
Okay,
seeing
none
now
we've
got
the
consent
agenda.
Does
anyone
have
any
questions
or
comments
on
that.
M
Thanks
mayor-
and
I
would
also
note
that
john
gerstel-
the
planning
board
chair,
is
with
us
this
evening
as
well
to
quickly
summarize
the
board's
conversation
but
lisa
hood
planner
in
our
office
who's
been
case.
Managing
the
use
tables
update,
has
a
short
presentation
for
council,
so
lisa.
N
Thanks,
charles
good
evening,
mayor
brockett
and
members
of
the
city
council,
I'm
excited
to
give
a
very
high
level
overview
of
this
draft
ordinance
before
you
tonight.
This
is
the
use
table
and
standards
project
that
some
of
you
might
be
familiar
with.
As
it's
been
going
on
since
2018
phase,
one
of
the
project
was
adopted
back
in
2019
and
we
kicked
off
phase
two
of
the
project
in
2020.
N
Unfortunately,
in
the
fall
of
2020,
we
had
to
pause
this
project
due
to
the
staffing
level
issues
around
the
pandemic,
but
it's
been
reinitiated
this
year,
and
so
we
are
moving
forward
with
the
next
or
the
second
phase
of
the
project.
So
that's
been
divided
into
three
different
modules
and
what
you're
seeing
tonight
is
the
result
of
module
one
or
the
functional
fixes,
and
so
these
are
really
the
technical
structural
updates
to
the
youth
standards.
N
Just
a
brief
reminder
on
what
the
initial
goals
are.
Since
you
haven't
heard
about
this
project
since
august
2020,
but
the
initial
goals
were
to
simplify
and
streamline
the
youth
standards
and
table
making
them
more
understandable
and
legible,
and
really
just
creating
some
more
predictability
and
certainty
in
the
new
standards
chapter.
N
If
you've
ever
dug
into
the
use
table
or
the
standards
you'll
know
it's
a
very
complex,
complicated
part
of
the
code
so
trying
to
improve
that
for
people
and
we'll
dig
into
the
other
goals
as
we
get
later
into
the
later
modules
of
the
project
as
well.
N
N
Ours
has
become
increasingly
complex
with
lots
of
little
changes
over
time,
so
anyone
who's
dealt
with.
It
knows
that
it's
it's
pretty
difficult
to
interpret
both
from
a
public
perspective
and
also
from
staff
and
council,
and
planning
board
implementation.
So
really
the
biggest
goal
is
to
improve
the
structure
and
the
approach
that
we
took
with
this
draft
ordinance
was
to
take
all
of
the
different
standards
that
are
related
to
the
many
different
land
uses
and
put
them
into
one
consolidated
area.
N
N
There's
also
our
limited
use
standards,
which
are
the
l
with
the
superscript,
where
that
actually
tells
you
that
you
need
to
go
to
a
different
table
to
find
out
the
information
that
might
apply
so
generally,
not
a
best
practice
to
have
to
look
to
two
different
tables
for
the
information
that
you
need,
and
then
we
have
the
conditional
use
and
used
review
standards
which
are
scattered
in
lots
of
different
places
of
the
land
use
code.
So,
overall,
it's
pretty
difficult
and
scattered
to
find
the
standards
that
might
apply
to
a
different
specific
use.
N
So
the
main
approach
is
to
get
those
all
into
one
consolidated
place.
The
specific
you
standards
that
would
follow
the
use
table
an
example
of
this,
and
it
also
gives
us
the
opportunity
in
doing
that,
to
consolidate
some
of
the
rows
and
make
the
table
less
complicated
and
shorter.
So
one
of
these
examples,
one
of
our
worst
offenders
is
the
restaurants.
There's
actually
eight
different
rows
in
the
use
table
talking
about
restaurants,
maximum
size,
things
like
that
outdoor
seating
and
all
of
the
different
characteristics
that
would
create
a
different
review
process.
N
We
also
took
a
number
of
other
strategies
to
try
to
improve
the
user
friendliness
based
on
both
staff's
work,
with
the
use
table
and
difficulties
with
the
use
table.
The
planning
board
subcommittee
that
worked
from
2018
to
2020
to
provide
guidance,
and
then
we
also
had
public
engagement
during
2019
2020,
and
then
we
had
a
short
questionnaire
open
this
spring,
really
trying
to
get
at
what
those
changes.
N
We
made
sure
to
incorporate
use
categories
in
the
table
so
that
that's
done
more
consistently
and
everything's
grouped
within
categories,
and
then
we
also
made
some
changes
related
to
those
consolidating
different
rows
so
and
fixing
some
errors
and
clarifying
some
interpretation
that
that
changed
the
cells
a
bit
and
then
finally,
the
seemingly
minor
things
that
can
have
a
really
major
impact.
Just
formatting
things
related
to
the
use
tables,
adding
colors
and
shading.
N
N
We
took
the
ordinance
to
planning
board
on
june
2nd
and
they
voted
unanimously
to
recommend
approval
of
the
ordinance.
As
charles
said,
the
chair
of
the
planning
board.
John
gerstel
is
here
as
well.
If
you
have
questions
for
him,
but
that
concludes
my
very
brief
overview
of
a
long
ordinance
change.
Thank
you.
O
Sure
I
can
be
brief.
I
can
just
say
that
we
had
a
pretty
long
session
on
this
matter
and
planning
board,
and
you
know,
unusually,
for
planning
board.
O
We
unanimously
concluded
that
staff
did
a
terrific
job
on
this
and
has
succeeded
in
in
their
objective
in
terms
of
changing
and
simplifying
the
process
that
people
have
to
use
and
keeping
keeping
the
objectives
in
place.
And
so
I
think
there
was
no
hesitation
on
planning
board's
side
to
unanimously
recommend
adoption
of
this.
B
Great
thanks
for
that
john-
and
I
will
say
I
you
know
reviewed
these
changes.
They
are
multitudinous
they're,
very
detailed,
and
I
was
very
glad
to
be
able
to
trust
the
excellent
work
of
staff
and
the
careful
reviewing.
I
have
planning
board
and
the
unanimous
recommendation
in
order
and
allow
this
to
move
forward.
B
Great
any
questions
or
comments
on
this
item.
E
C
F
D
B
B
Q
B
So
chris
do
you
want
to
introduce.
L
R
Thank
you
chris.
Thank
you
alicia
good
evening
council.
Hopefully
you
are
about
to
see
my
screen.
Is
everyone
seeing
a
presentation
yep
great?
Well,
if
the
length
of
elisha's
introduction
is
any
indication
of
the
amount
of
work
that's
been
going
on
since
the
last
time
I
was
here
to
provide
an
update
on
outdoor
dining
program.
I
think
you
have
an
idea
of
how
busy
we
have
all
been
in
getting
ready
for
you
all
this
evening.
R
I'm
delighted
to
be
here
and
while
again
be
doing
most
of
the
talking
we
have
a
number
of
folks
on
the
call
at
the
ready
to
help
answer
questions.
While
you
are
here
for
your
second
reading
of
the
proposed
ordinance
change,
I
will
also
want
to
use
this
opportunity
to
to
give
you
an
update
on
our
outdoor
dining
pilot
program,
but
first
we'll
provide
a
background
on
how
we
got
to
where
we
are.
Today.
We
have
a
couple
of
questions
for
council
for
your
discussion
as
well.
R
I'll
provide
an
overview
of
the
pilot
program,
we're
anticipating
that
there
are
business
owners
that
are
listening
in
this
evening
and
they're
wanting
as
early
a
preview
as
possible
of
what
we've
been
cooking
up.
We,
of
course,
then
have
the
proposed
ordinance
8517
for
your
consideration
and
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
that
how
that
relates,
then
we
have
some
next
steps
contingent
on
your
approval
of
the
ordinance
change
and
then
question
time
for
questions
and
discussions.
R
So
as
a
quick
review,
this
work
began
back
in
may
of
2020
in
the
early
days
of
the
pandemic,
when
the
city
created
our
business,
boulder
business
recovery
program
that
enabled
businesses
to
expand
outside
to
help
offset
their
indoor
capacity
limits.
With
that
we
pursued
the
closure
of
the
west
end
to
vehicle
traffic.
We
rerouted
the
hop
on
pearl
street
in
the
downtown.
We
also
implemented
a
number
of
curbside
pickup
zones
for
restaurants
that
were
taking
advantage
of
more
pickup
takeout
delivery
operations.
R
Then,
the
following
year
september
of
2021,
we
presented
an
agenda
item
to
council
that
explored
the
extension
of
emergency
orders
through
april
of
this
year
and
some
considerations
around
the
future
of
the
program
beyond
emergency
orders,
those
ex
those
orders
were
extended
and
council
communicated
support
for
a
downtown
pilot
program.
R
Then,
in
march
we
brought
to
you
a
proposal
for
a
250
250
000
arpa
budget
item
in
the
atb
as
part
of
a
business
recovery
proposal
the
council
approved,
and
in
march
we
also
extended
the
emergency
orders
through
august
of
this
year,
knowing
that
we're
still
having
impacts
from
covid,
and
it
did
help
provide
us
more
time
to
prepare
this
pilot
program
for
you
in
april,
we
came
to
council
and
sought
direction
on
moving
forward
with
a
city-wide
pilot
program
and
also
got
direction
from
council
on
pursuing
these
ordinance
changes
that
you're
considering
this
evening
now
we're
in
june
you've
done
your
first
reading,
we're
at
our
second
reading
of
the
proposed
ordinance
changes
that
will
establish
our
pilot
program.
R
So
the
questions
that
we
have
for
you
tonight
other
than
hopefully
approving
the
the
ordinance
changes
is.
Do
you
have
any
questions
about
the
pilot
program,
rules
that
were
included
as
right
now,
they're
called
the
draft
pilot
program
guidelines,
but
those
will
be
used
to
generate
a
city
manager
rule
and
do
you
have
any
questions
about
our
next
steps?
R
R
The
eligibility
for
the
program
is
in
the
public,
right-of-way,
primarily
on
street
parking
spaces.
Some
areas
of
the
pearl
street
mall
bricks,
as
well
as
other
sidewalks
and
available
open
spaces.
The
price
the
program
will
also
apply
to
private
property,
including
parking
spaces
on
private
property
and
other
open
spaces.
R
The
businesses
that
are
eligible
for
participate
in
the
program
are
restaurants,
brew,
pubs,
taverns,
wineries
and
distilleries.
They
need
to
have
available
public
right-of-way
on
private
property
or
a
public
right-of-way
within
150
feet
of
their
entrances
or
directly
fronting
the
building
that
they
are
located
within.
R
Some
of
the
requirements
of
the
approved
infrastructure
that
we've
been
pursuing
is
on
the
size
front.
The
businesses
would
be
allowed
to
participate
at
no
more
than
500
square
feet
and
100
square
feet
minimum
for
any
participating
business.
We
are
also
requiring
steer
steel
planter
boxes
that
are
filled
to
be
surrounding
any
of
the
outdoor
extensions
that
are
adjacent
to
travel
lanes.
R
There
needs
to
be
a
minimum
three
foot
height
surrounding
barrier
that
can
also
be
no
more
than
four
foot
high
high
maximum
and
then
no
vertical
elements
will
be
allowed
to
extend
beyond
that
barrier,
except
for
things
like
umbrellas,
propane
heaters
or
other
support
elements
for
shading
and
planters.
R
We
are
requiring
that
the
infrastructure
be
modular
so
that
it
can
be
quickly
removed
in
the
event
of
an
emergency
or
another
use
of
the
public
right-of-way
the
infrastructure.
Obviously,
if
needs
to
be
alcohol
licensing
compliant
if
restaurants
or
establishments
are
wanting
to
to
serve
alcoholic
beverages,
we
are
not
proposing
to
allow
any
closed-in
structures
or
roofs
and
also
no
tie-ins
to
electrical
service
in
the
extensions
in
parking
spaces
and
beyond
and
of
course,
all
of
the
facilities
need
to
be
ada
accessible.
R
We
have
identified
mod
street
out
of
durango
as
our
vendor
for
our
citywide
bulk
purchase
proposal
and
we'll
talk
more
about
that
shortly.
We've
also
identified
western
precision
manufacturing
out
of
grand
junction
and
architrak
out
of
montana,
as
additional
vendors
that
restaurants
can
choose
from
to
expedite
their
permitting
process.
R
R
If
businesses
also
want
to
participate
in
the
bulk
city
purchase
program,
there's
an
additional
infrastructure
fee
on
the
mall
of
16
and
25
cents
per
square
foot
and
off
the
mall
21.87
per
square
foot.
If
businesses
want
to
serve
alcoholic
beverages,
there
still,
of
course,
would
be
the
liquor
licensing
fees
that
apply
as
usual.
R
We
also
have
three
subsidy
options
available
to
participating
businesses:
option
a
is
for
businesses
that
are
extending
into
the
public
right-of-way,
but
do
not
want
to
participate
in
the
city's
bulk
purchase
program.
We
are,
we
will
reimburse
up
to
2500
of
their
infrastructure
costs
if
they're
able
to
demonstrate
that
they've
invested
private
dollars
in
outdoor
dining
infrastructure.
R
Prior
to
the
creation
of
this
pilot
program.
Option
b
is
for
businesses
again
that
are
extending
in
the
public
right-of-way,
but
they
want
to
participate
in
the
pilot
program
and
the
fees
that
we
have
associated
with
that
are
reflective
of
up
to
a
50
discount
in
their
total
infrastructure
costs.
Option
c
is
for
extensions
on
private
property.
Those
businesses
are
not
eligible
to
participate
in
the
the
bulk
purchase
program,
but
they
will
still
be
eligible
for
the
2500
grant.
R
They
can
demonstrate
that
they've
invested
their
own
dollars
in
infrastructure
prior
real,
quick,
I'm
not
going
to
read
through
all
these
steps,
but
the
application
process
for
businesses.
First
thing
they
need
to
be
doing
is
preparing
their
materials,
and
so
we've
listed
that
and
we've
been
working
on
communications
of
all
the
different
elements
that
will
be
required
as
part
of
the
application
once
they've
gotten
those
materials
together,
they'll
submit
their
application
online
upload
their
documents
and
once
that's
fully
processed
they'll,
receive
a
confirmation
email
that
their
revocable
permit
is
in
process.
R
They'll
need
to
then
watch
for
email
updates
to
let
them
know
if
there's
any
additional
information,
that's
required
to
complete
their
application
and
then
they'll
get
updates
on
on
when
it's
ready
for
different
steps
for
payment
and
eventually,
when
the
permit's
ready
for
signature
once
the
permit's
prepared
and
ready
for
signature,
and
it
is
fully
signed
and
recorded.
That
is
when
businesses
will
able
to
use
that
documentation
to
apply
for
their
liquor
license
moving
forward
with
the
program.
R
R
Elisha
did
a
much
better
job
of
explaining
all
the
different
elements
that
the
ordinances
are
touching,
so
we'll
refer
back
to
that
when
you're
ready,
but
the
detailed
requirements
of
the
program
are
included
in
the
pilot
program
guidelines
that
were
attached
to
the
memo
and
those
are
being
proposed
for
implementation
as
part
of
a
city
manager
rule
the
ordinance
automatically
expires
at
the
end
of
the
five-year
term,
unless
council
extends
extends
it
by
another
ordinance.
R
We
were
recommending
that
the
ordinance
be
adopted
by
emergency
tonight
to
ensure
that
the
pilot
program
is
up
and
running
prior
to
the
expiration
of
the
current
emergency
order.
At
the
end
of
august
contingent
on
council's
approval
this
evening,
we
will
then
pursue
our
communication
strategy,
we'll
do
a
press
release
to
let
the
community
know
that
this
is
moving
forward.
We've
already
developed
a
website
that
we
will
we've
been
drafting
and
it's
it'll
be
ready
to
go
live
very
shortly.
R
We
are
preparing
an
email
notification
to
all
businesses
that
are
currently
participating
in
the
extensions
program
and
then
we'll
include
information
in
city
newsletters
and
work
with
our
partners
at
the
boulder
chamber
and
the
downtown
boulder
partnership
to
make
sure
that
we're
able
to
notify
all
eligible
businesses
of
this
opportunity
for
the
pilot
program.
R
Beyond
that,
businesses
that
are
participating
will
have
two
phases
for
transition
of
their
outdoor
dining
infrastructure
phase.
One
would
be
for
any
businesses
that
are
participating
and
they
have
submitted
and
received
their
revocable
permit.
They
will
need
to
reduce
the
extension
of
their
the
extension
of
the
footprint
of
their
extensions
to
the
space
that
is
detailed
in
their
permit.
R
If
businesses
do
not
want
to
participate
in
the
pilot
program,
they
have
until
the
end
of
the
emergency
orders,
to
remove
any
extensions
that
they
have
in
the
public
right-of-way
phase
two
for
businesses
that
are
participating
in
the
program
they
will
have
until
the
end
of
october,
to
transition
into
the
city,
approved
modular
infrastructure
or
if
they
don't
want
to
have
outdoor
dining
during
the
winter,
even
if
they
have
their
permit,
they
have
we'll
have
until
the
spring
or
whenever
they
would
like
to
transition
into
their
infrastructure
as
long
as
there's
nothing
out
in
the
public
right-of-way,
that's
not
compliant
over
the
winter.
J
Q
Well,
thank
you
chris.
I
I,
it
is
herding
cats
and
an
immense
amount
of
work
to
get
all
these
pieces
in
a
line.
So
thank
you
for
all
the
work
to
get
us
to
this
place
and
certainly
transition
out
of
the
temporary
emergency
orders
into
something
that
is
a
little
more
wholesome
and
with
more
deliberate
intent
going
forward.
So
I
really
appreciate
that
I
have
a
couple
questions
about
some
of
the
pieces
that
were
sort
of
brought
up.
Q
One
has
to
do
with
sort
of
the
a
question
about
the
no
electrical
in
in
sort
of
that
modular
area,
and
the
reason
I
ask
is
in
regards
to
outdoor
dining
at
night.
You
know
some
current
establishments
have
strong
lights
and
that
allows
there
to
want
for
safety,
but
also
for
for
the
enjoyment
of
the
space,
and
so
I'm
wondering
what
how
do
we
reconcile
outdoor
dining
at
night
in
order
to
maintain
an
actual
safe
environment,
but
also
one
that
people
can
sort
of
enjoy
and
view.
Q
R
Q
Awesome
appreciate
it
chris.
The
other
question
I
have
is
you
know,
based
on
that
timeline,
I
think
it
certainly
seems
very
reasonable
for
those
that
want
to
participate
in
the
process
that
you
know
come
on
august
31st.
If
they're
committed
they're
looking
to
go
forward,
they
can
sort
of
hold
it
they
can
transition.
I'm
curious
about
the
restaurants
that
currently
have
an
outdoor
dining
set
up
sort
of
within
the
emergency
orders
are
probably
not
going
to
embark
on
submitting
for
a
permit,
but
then
being
reforced.
Q
Are
they
forced
to
remove
all
of
their
outdoor
dining
on
by
august?
31St
is
really
my
question
and
if
so,
that's
what
it
seemed
to
be.
That
seems
like
an
odd
time
to
pull
the
rug
out
when
there's
still
another
month
and
a
half
of
really
good
time
for
them
to
still
utilize
the
space
and
infrastructure
they've
invested
in
to
make
that
money
before
outdoor
dining
wanes
and
then
make
a
clean
break
when
outdoor
dining
is
sort
of.
You
know
at
its
perhaps
lowest
point.
Q
So
I'm
curious
about
the
timing
of
that
transition
and
then
my
third
question:
it's
maybe
less
of
a
question
and
more
of
a
recommendation.
So
I
think
I'll
save
that
until
after
public
comment.
So
really
just
two
questions.
R
Sure
thank
you
matt
for
those
questions,
so,
first
on
the
electrical
I'll
speak
first
and
I'll,
I
wonder
if
folks
from
planning
and
development
services
might
want
to
chime
in
a
little
bit
more
in
the
in
the
guidelines,
more
explicitly
we're
saying
no
above
ground
electrical
extensions
right
now
we
have
got
people
who've,
put
conduit,
that
is
within
arm's
reach
of
anybody
who's
walking
by
any
time
of
day.
R
It's
quite
it's
not
not
best
practices
when
it
comes
to
a
safety
perspective,
and
then
we
have
other
folks
that
have
tied
into
outlets
that
are
they're
not
paying
for
the
the
power,
but
they
happen
to
have
an
outlet
coming
out
of
a
tree
well
adjacent
to
their
parkland,
so
they're
tapping
into
power
that
the
city's
probably
paying
for,
and
so
in
light
of
that,
acknowledging
that
that
yes,
there
certainly
are
considerations
once
it
gets
dark.
R
There
are
other
ways
to
create
some
ambient
lighting,
that
other
communities
have
demonstrated
an
ability
to
still
create
an
ambiance
without
actually
having
power
from
the
adjacent
property
into
the
space.
And
so
I
don't
know
that
we've
prohibited
that
outright,
whether
it's
through
some
sort
of
battery
solar
powered
infrastructure,
but
as
far
as
above
ground
power
lines
into
these
spaces.
We
are
currently
recommending
that
it
not
be
allowed-
and
I
see
edward
turned
his
camera
on
and
I'm
not
sure
if
he
wants
to
provide
any
more
context.
R
And
so
then
thank
you,
edward
related
to
the
next
question
matt
on
the
august
31st.
It's
the
end
of
the
emergency
orders
and
as
we're
transitioning
into
if
we're
not
under
emergency
order.
The
use
of
the
public
right-of-way
comes
at
a
cost
for
anybody,
and
so
the
the
question
would
be
is.
Would
we
would
we
want
to
turn
a
blind
eye
to
folks
who
are
out
of
compliance
right?
R
Are
we
not
going
to
enforce
our
standard
rules
that
everybody
they're
asking
everybody
else
to
abide
by
when
it
comes
to
the
use
of
of
the
public
right-of-way?
And
I
see
sandra?
Did
you
turn
your
your
camera
on
to
opine
on
that
as
well?.
Q
U
Good
evening,
chris,
thank
you
for
the
presentation,
a
couple
of
questions.
One
there
there's
a
large
community
conversation,
that's
going
on
with
respect
to
the
ultimate
use
of
west
pearl.
I
assume
this
is
separate
and,
apart
from
any
determination
as
to
what
we
do
with
less
pearl.
U
Is
correct
all
right?
My
next
question
is
we
have
different
rates
of
charges
for
facilities
on
the
bricks
and
off
the
bricks?
Does
the
data
support
in
terms
of
gross
sales
per
square
foot?
Does
it
support
a
higher
rental
on
the
mall
than
elsewhere?
Are
they
doing
that?
Well,
that
that's
an
appropriate
thing
to
do.
R
Thanks
for
the
question
mark,
I'm
not
sure
that
that
is
the
the
consideration
that
we
went
through
whenever
those
rates
were
established,
which
was
long
before
this
current
pilot
program,
where
there's
a
different
rate
for
on
the
bricks
than
off
the
bricks.
I
don't
know
that
it's
that
that
is
the
consideration.
I
don't
know
if
anybody
else
knows,
maybe
edward,
you
know
the
consideration
for
why
I
have
some
ideas,
but
I
don't
want
to
make
assumptions.
I.
S
Can
certainly
chime
in
for
a
moment
here,
so
those
rates
are
based
upon
what
has
been
set
in
ordnance
in
chapter
4-20
for
many
years,
and
it
was
presumed
that
there
was
a
higher
value
for
that
land
on
the
brics
than
for
other
places
throughout
boulder,
in
terms
of
what
the
lease
rate
could
be.
Theoretically,
that
number
is
set
based
upon
market
lease
rates.
S
It
has
been
a
number
of
years
since
it's
had
a
thorough
evaluation,
probably
should
be
up
in
the
next
few
years
to
look
at
to
see
if
that
number
should
be
adjusted
further.
But
that
was
the
premise
behind
it
is
that
the
lease
rates
on
the
bricks
in
that
particular
portion
of
boulder
are
higher
than
in
other
areas
throughout
the
city.
U
Well,
I'm
and
I'm
raising
the
issue,
because
lease
rates
are
one
thing.
Profitability
is
another
thing
and
I'm
just
curious
as
to
whether
the
higher
lease
rate,
the
higher
rates
for
the
facilities
on
the
bricks,
are
really
warranted
in
light
of
the
performance
of
people,
who've
engaged
in
those
higher
leases,
and
let
me
roll
that
into
another
question,
which
is
there
there's
almost
an
arbitrariness.
It
seems
to
some
of
these
rates.
I
mean.
U
Why
are
we
at
113
dollars
for
a,
I
guess,
for
a
re-application,
I
mean,
what's
the
magic
of
113
or
18.76
for
the
right-of-way,
it
just
seems:
where
does
it
all
come
from.
S
So
those
particular
fees
which
actually
come
from
what
we
have
in
the
existing
revocable
program
are
based
on
the
least
piece
in
terms
of
the
recovery
of
the
potential
value,
the
application
fees,
the
reapplication
fees
are
based
upon
the
estimate
of
staff
time
necessary
to
process
the
applications
and
to
be
able
to
have
cost
recovery
to
what
had
been
previously
agreed
to
and
leave.
The
revocable
program
is
generally
a
50-50.
S
Although
I'd
have
to
look
back
on
the
cost
recovery,
which
is
based
upon
policy
that
was
set
in
1994,
I
think
was
where
that
document
starts.
With
the
definitions,
it's
been
some
time,
but
so
we
have
just
continued
that
recommendation
in
this
program,
for
wherever
the
revocable
program
has
been
for
some
time.
S
Correct
if,
for
some
reason,
the
information
they
submit
is
insufficient,
it's
missing
items
in
revocables.
It
is
very
rare
for
us
to
actually
charge
that
fee,
but
it
is
in
there
in
case
there's
more
significant
work
and
a
second
round
of
review
to
be
done.
V
Thank
y'all
thanks
thanks
for
the
presentation
and
bringing
us
bringing
us
to
a
conclusion
here.
My
question
is
around
the
storage
of
the
infrastructure.
If
we
were
to
choose
that
option,
I
mean
that
seems
like
a
really
large
amount
of
stuff
to
store,
so
I'm
just
curious
about
practically.
Where
does
that
go?
You
know
who's
involved
in
in
that
setup,
take
down
storage
process
and
what
kind
of
stuff
time
are
we
talking
about
there,
because
that
that
feels
like
a
really
intense
thing,
depending
on
how
many
people
are
signed
up.
R
Sure,
thank
you
for
that
question.
It's
a
really
good
question,
so
we
actually
have
a
continuing
services
agreement
with
a
moving
company
that
is
already
on
board
to
manage
all
of
the
the
pickup
and
removal
of
any
of
the
infrastructure
that
that
is
under
our
responsibility.
So
we
are
gonna.
We
need
to
wait
and
see
what
businesses
come
out
of
the
woodwork
and
want
to
participate
in
the
bulk
purchase
program
to
understand
the
total
scale
of
it
for
sure.
R
But
the
great
thing
about
the
modular
infrastructure
is
designed
to
be
picked
up
and
stored
in
a
very
relatively
smaller
amount
of
space,
and
so
we
do
have
space
available
to
city.
We
again,
we
don't
know
it's
the
exact
scale
until
we
have
applications
come
in
to
know
just
how
much
space
we're
gonna
be
looking
for,
but
we
have
been
thinking
very
diligently
about
that
and
and
are
going
to
be
covering
those
bases
once
we
know
more
from
businesses.
V
J
G
Thank
you.
So
my
first
question
is
about
the
length
of
the
lease
or
sorry
the
length
of
the
approval
for
the
revocable
permit.
It
looks
like
it's
three
years.
First
and
the
lease
for
the
equipment
is
five,
and
so
I
was
just
wondering
why
those
things
don't
match
and
what
someone
would
do
if
they're
signed
into
a
five-year
lease
and
lose
their
revocable
permit.
T
Yeah,
I'm
happy
to
answer
that
question.
So
the
the
lease
of
the
infrastructure
is
going
to
be
aligned
with
the
revocable
permit
term,
so
the
initial
permit
term
would
be
three
years
less
one
day
and
then
any
subsequent
lease
would
also
mirror
those
same
term
dates.
So
the
the
idea
is
that
it
gives
the
city
an
opportunity
to
look
and
see
how
things
are
going
and
if
there
are
conditions
that
need
to
be
added
to
the
permit.
T
If
there
are
issues
that
arise
as
a
result
of
the
use,
then
we
can
try
and
address
them
at
that
point
rather
than
doing
a
full
five-year
term,
and
the
other
reason
is
that
it
is
a
three-year
term
is
under
the
authority
of
the
city
manager.
So
they
wouldn't
have
to
go
through
council
as
well,
so
anything
over
or
three
years
and
and
greater
needs
to
go
through
council
and.
R
Just
to
add
real
just
real
quickly,
so
while
it's
a
five-year
pilot
program,
we'll
still
be
doing
the
leases
in
the
two-year
364-day
terms,
but
folks
will
be
able
to
renew
at
the
standard
renewal
rate
as
long
as
the
program's
in
effect,
and
so
presumably
by
the
time
we're
getting
to
three
years
in
the
into
the
program.
G
Great
thank
you.
I
was
also
wondering
about,
and
also
like
after
looking
at
sort
of
the
preferred
provider.
G
One
of
the
things
that
came
that
I
noticed
is
that
an
opaque
fence
at
four
feet
tall
is
pretty
tall
if
you're
seated
in
an
area,
and
so
I
was
just
wondering
how
you
guys
came
up
with
you
know.
It's
like
people
are
pretty
hidden
behind
it
and
one
of
the
things
that
appeals
to
me
is
having
you
know,
bringing
life
to
the
street
with
this
program,
and
so
I'm
a
little
curious.
I
know
that
for
the
liquor
license,
we
need
a
three-foot
barrier
and
why
we're
allowing
up
to
four.
R
So
you're
exactly
right
in
the
sense
that
our
alcohol
licenses
require
the
three
foot
barrier,
and
so,
instead
of
prescribing
specifically
three
foot
for
everyone,
that's
why
we
proposed
a
maximum,
because
we
there.
There
are
examples
in
other
places
where
folks
go
higher
than
four
feet,
and
so
wanting
to
put
a
limit
on
that
for
the
very
reason
that
she
described.
R
G
I
just
had
a
couple
more
this
one's,
probably
for
edward
stafford,
and
I
was
just
wondering
if
you
could
summarize,
maybe
if
there
are
any
areas
where
the
parklet
is
more
restrictive
than
our
current
outdoor
dining
program
or
if,
basically,
everything
that
we're
proposing
right
now
is
essentially
in
line
with
what
we
is
at
least
as
permissive
as
our
current
outdoor
dining
program.
S
Thinking
through
the
all
the
things
we
put
together,
I
would
say:
there's
nothing
in
this.
That
comes
to
mind.
That
is
more
restrictive
than
the
current
program.
I
mean
for
most
aspects.
This
is
certainly
less
restrictive
number
of
different
provisions
everywhere
from
land
use
code
to
process
that
have
been
modified
or
loosened
in
this,
but
can't
think
of
any
specific
one
that
would
be
more
onerous.
G
And
then
my
last
question
is
you
know
you?
You
mentioned
that
after
three
years
we
might
want
to
that.
We
didn't
want
to
lease
space
for
more
than
three
years,
because
there
might
be
things
that
we
notice
things
we
want
to
adjust.
Is
there
currently
a
plan
for
evaluating
this
program
at
any
interval
as
we
go
forward
or
sort
of
collecting
data
around.
G
Issues
that
we
think
might
arise
or
success,
you
know
like
what
do
we
have
in
terms
of
what
kind
of
information
we
might
collect
from
this
to
base
decisions
on
moving
forward.
R
Thank
you
for
the
question
lauren.
We
have
not
specifically
written
in
any
requirements
around
evaluation
into
the
ordinance
language.
I
have
no
doubt
that
we
are
going
to
be
talking
about
outdoor
dining.
I
I
mean
let's,
let's
how
many
decades
anyhow.
So
it's
a
great
question.
We
have
not
proposed
writing
any
evaluation
rules
in,
but
it's
something
that
we
can
certainly
consider
for
the
city
manager
rules
and
be
more
explicit
in
our
next
update
with
you
all
on
this
topic.
B
Thanks
lauren,
not
seeing
any
other
council
questions,
let's
go
ahead
and
open
the
public
hearing
and
we
have
one
person
signed
up
who
was
participating
in
the
open
comments
so
ryan.
Maybe
we
can
skip
re-reading
the
guidelines.
B
I
Three
whole
minutes:
oh
my
gosh.
That
would
be
good
for
public
comment,
wouldn't
it
so,
if
you're
going
to
do
a
deal
with
the
city
manager
on
annexation
at
390
arapaho,
and
that
they
can
do
cash
and
loop
if
she
decides
that's
okay,
outside
of
the
annexation
agreement,
that
is
helping
a
developer.
You
are
helping
a
lot
of
developers
by
this
keeping
these
hours
in
this
pilot
program,
downtown
so
I'd,
say:
yeah
the
the
pandemic.
I
You
know
like
work
at
home
when
you
can
stuff
like
that,
and
this
is
one
of
them,
opening
them
all
and
stuff
up,
but
I'd
say
I
want
to
leverage
it
because
the
city
manager
has
far
too
much
power
if
they
are
allowed
to
to
violate
our
affordable
housing
on
site
and
say
cash
in
lieu
just
because
they
decide
to
they
feel
like
it.
I
I
I
But
I'm
saying
there's
kind
of
some
reasons
for
me
being
negative,
and
I've
been
around
here.
You
know
for
30
years
doing
this,
and
yet
these
new
people
that
are
with
on
staff.
You
know
today
on
this
on
this
capital
improvements,
bike
tour
with
transportation.
I
I
B
E
Q
Well,
terry,
you
sort
of
set
me
up
on
that
one
anyway,
so
I
just
wanted
to
follow
up
on
on
a
question
I
had,
but
but
actually
I'll
switch
order.
Q
Lauren
brought
up
an
interesting
point
about
whether
or
not
there
were
some
plans
to
sort
of
check
in
and
and
I'd
like
to
maybe
go
a
step
further,
because
one
thing
that
I'm
I'm
still
somewhat
uncomfortable
with,
although
I
I'm
I'm
I'm
gonna,
be
okay
to
some
extent
is
that
we're
still
caught
it's
a
five-year
program,
yet
we're
still
calling
it
a
pilot
and
that's
a
pretty
long
runway
and
also
that
it
automatically
sunsets.
Q
I
I
I
I'm
uncomfortable
with
the
idea
that
a
program
that
we're
investing
in
business
services
are
investing
in,
can
just
sort
of
evaporate
by
council,
ignoring
it
it
just
sunsets
on
itself.
I'd
like
there
to
be
a
more
deliberate
action
to
to
choose
to
end
it,
and
so,
in
light
of
not
messing
with
that
overall
cadence
I'd
like
to
recommend
that
in
two
years
we
actually
do
have
a
check-in
where
we
actually
more
formally
evaluate
its
pilot
status.
Q
I
think
in
two
years
we
would
know
sufficiently
well
whether
this
is
successful
or
it's
not,
and
at
that
point
we
can
just
make
it
permanent
and
and
finish
off
that
any
anything
that's
out
there.
I
don't
know
if
we
need
five
years
to
totally
determine
its
pilot
status
and
if
it's
successful
or
not
so
I
would
just
just
see
if
we
can
check
in
a
little
sooner
in
that
sense,
that'd
be
something
I'd,
love
to
recommend
and
see.
Q
If
any
of
my
counsel,
colleagues
are
interested
in
adding
that
the
the
other
piece
really
is
kind
of
back
in
line
to
that
that
that
cadence,
with
people
out
with
outdoor
dining
but
not
looking
to
permit
a
part
of
the
permanent
program
and
being
sort
of
told
to
clear
house
while
outdoor
dining
is
still
in
the
in
in
peak
for
probably
another
month
or
so.
Q
I
know
that
there's
a
compliance
issue,
but
I'd
be
interested
in
seeing
since
we're
passing
this
on
emergency
and
if
it
passes
it
becomes
law
tonight
that
anybody
who
has
outdoor
dining
as
of
today
is
just
given
that
ability
to
extend
out
to
august
31st
and
not
have
to
clean
up.
We
can
continue
all
the
permitting
process,
all
the
things
to
get
people
into
the
program.
Q
I
just
think
it's
an
odds
time
to
tell
people
to
pull
the
rug
out
when
they've
already
established
their
business
practices
to
leverage
the
outdoor,
dining
and
leverage
the
amount
of
people
that
are
enjoying
the
good
weather
and
make
money
and
make
themselves
continue
to
make
themselves
more
whole
on
the
backside
of
the
pandemic.
So
I
just
think
from
a
timing.
Q
I'd
love
to
just
kick
it
a
little
bit
so
that
it's
on
the
natural
lane
of
outdoor
dining,
the
weather
is
more
crummy
and
and
that's
a
natural
time
to
clear
up
and
then
get
ready
for
winter
and
then
make
your
decisions
from
there.
So
those
are
two
things
I'd
like
to
sort
of
see
if
my
council
colleagues
are
interested
in
and
if
there's
any
certainly
concerns
from
staff
on
on
either
of
those
pieces.
Q
B
Matt
thanks
chef
point
of
clarity.
I
think
I
heard
you
say,
extend
it
to
august
31st,
but
I
think
you
meant
past.
Maybe.
Q
I
think
I
meant
to
say
october
31st,
because
that
was
a
date
in
the
slide
as
sort
of
a
transition
period
and
again
I'd
love
to
see
people
who
are
not
looking
to
go
to
the
permanent
program
and
make
get
rid
of
all
their
outdoor
dining
and
return
it
to
pre-pandemic.
When
outdoor
dining
is
no
longer
that
popular
and
it's
naturally
waning
and
they're
not
going
to
be
losing
a
lot
of
business
as
a
result
of
pulling
it
out.
When
the
weather
is
still
perfect
and
awesome
for
outdoor
dining.
B
R
That's
a
good
question
I
might
defer
back
to
sandra
if
she
has
any
thoughts
on
available
paths
forward.
I
would
also
indicate
that
the
intention
would
be
that
once
emergency
orders
end
that's
the
date
that
we
had
set
with
alcohol
permits
alcohol
licenses.
So
there's
there's
a
number
of
considerations
that
would
then
trigger,
and
I'm
seeing
that
yeah
sandra
and
michonne
pick,
you
know,
turn
their
cameras
on.
R
So
while
it
I
totally
understand
and
appreciate
the
the
thinking
there
are
a
number
of
things
that
would
still
make
this
very
challenging,
not
just
by
an
order
of
the
the
city.
If
we
were
to
extend
emergency
orders
through
the
end
of
october,
businesses
would
still
need
to
go
through
a
whole
new
renewal
process
to
get
compliant
with
the
state.
T
I'm
glad
michonne
is
on
so
she
can
address
the
alcohol
issues,
but
I
do
think
that
there
are
a
lot
of
administrative
issues
here.
That
would
be
really
a
big
hurdle
to
overcome,
and
I
think
you
know
chris
mentioned
this
before
I.
T
It's
going
to
be
an
administrative
burden,
a
very
a
big
large
one
to
overcome-
and
I
think
michonne
probably
has
some
more
specific
information
related
to
alcohol
licensing.
W
Yeah,
so
for
city
licensing,
a
two-month
extension,
if
that
were
all
it,
was
of
current
outdoor
dining
areas
where
they're
serving
alcohol.
What
that
would
mean
is
that
we
essentially
would
need
to
take
32
applications
again.
Post
them
again
approve
them
for
only
two
months,
and
then
we
would
need
to
take
additional
applications
for
a
longer
period
of
time.
W
It
also
strikes
me
that
there
are
some
outdoor
locations
which
overlap
block
faces
for
other
liquor,
licensees,
which
are
larger
than
the
size
that
they
eventually
will
be
allowed
to
be,
and
that
could
inhibit
their
next-door
neighbors
from
proceeding
coming
into
compliance
because
those
locations
are
still
there
and
they
don't
intend
to
participate
in
the
in
the
pilot
program.
So
so,
at
least
for
city
licensing,
we've
done
four
freights
or
four
bulks
of
postings
processing,
sending
them
down
to
the
state,
getting
them
back
from
the
state.
W
What
this
would
mean
is,
instead
of
getting
you
know
everybody
into
compliance
for
people
that
wanted
to
participate
in
the
pilot
program.
We
would
need
to
do
a
temporary
one
and
immediately
on
its
heels,
we
would
need
to
do
a
permanent
one.
In
addition,
so
that
would
be
very
difficult
for
my
office.
W
B
Much
okay,
thanks
for
following
that
up
that
information,
and
I
think
we
can
now
go
to
mark
and
then
bob.
U
You
know
with
our
summer
break
looming.
I
will
be
extremely
brief.
I
agree
with
matt
on
the
two-year
check-in
and
I
agree
with
tara
in
terms
of
being
very
grateful
for
the
work
that
you've
done
and,
and
your
folks
have
done
chris.
This
is
really
excellent.
So
thank
you.
That's
all
I
got
okay.
F
Well,
first
of
all,
I'll
start
off
with
my
queen
mark,
I
I'm
I'm
grateful
to
you
chris
for
the
tremendous
work
that
you've
done
with
chip
and
with
the
downtown
merchants
and
with
so
many
other
constituents
and,
of
course,
your
colleagues
on
in
the
very
cities
department,
so
great
presentation,
great
product
here.
I
think
we're
going
to
prove
this
tonight.
I
do
agree
with
matt
that
I
think
a
two-year
check-in
makes
makes
some
sense
and
if
we
get
somebody
could
just
calendar
that
that
would
be
be
great.
F
I
do
have
one
kind
of
question
that
I
probably
should
ask
before
during
question
time.
Chris.
I
know
we're
not
talking
about
west
pearl
tonight
and
we
won't,
but
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
just
mechanically
how
things
are
gonna
work,
so
we're
gonna
have
some,
presumably
some
restaurants
that
are
located
on
west
pearl,
who
may
opt
into
this
program
and
some
that
may
opt
out
those
who
opt
in
their
their
their
module
units,
whether
they
bring
their
own
or
rent
or
buy
them
from
or
rent
them
from
the
city.
F
R
That's
a
really
good
question
bob,
so
the
restaurants
on
west
pearl
will
be
subject
to
the
same
design
guidelines
as
any
other
business
other
than
restaurants,
on
the
bricks
who
do
have
a
little
bit
of
a
different
rule
because
of
just
the
nature
of
the
infrastructure
there,
and
so
by
the
end
of
august
31st.
R
R
We
will
have
a
window
available
through
the
end
of
the
to
the
end
of
october,
for
them
to
upgrade
their
infrastructure
or
wait
till
next
spring
to
put
in
the
upgraded
infrastructure,
but
as
far
as
their
revocable
permit
goes,
they'll
need
to
edit
their
existing
outdoor
dining
footprint
to
whatever
they've
proposed
in
their
longer
term.
Revocable
permit.
F
That's
great
chris,
that's
real
helpful
and
for
those
that
are
on
west
pearl,
as
opposed
to
maybe
10th
street,
where
there's
maybe
a
little
bit
more
space.
I
know
the
sidewalks
are
pretty
narrow
on
west
pearl
between
11th
and
9th.
Will
those
if
you
could
foreshadow
for
us
that
participate
tend
to
put
their
infrastructure
in
the
in
the
parking
spaces?
Is
that
kind
of
what
you're
thinking
of
along
there?
Because
I
know
the
sidewalks
aren't
all
that
wide
correct?
Yes,
okay,
that's
great,
and
so
I
it
sounds
like
the
timing.
F
This
is
gonna
work
out
really
nice,
because
you're
gonna
know,
presumably
by
the
end
of
august
or
maybe
even
by
mid
july,
sounds
like
the
application
deadlines
mid
july
you're,
going
to
know
going
into
that
september,
8th
council
discussion,
how
many
restaurants
opted
in
and
what
the
footprints
are
going
to
look
like,
and
what
the
map's
going
to
look
like
and
that'll
that'll
help
you
kind
of
inform
us
and
maybe
advise
us
on
what
to
do
in
west
pearl.
Is
that
a
fair
assumption?
R
Although
we
weren't
supposed
to
talk
about
the
west's
pearl
culture.
B
E
V
Yeah,
I
just
have
a
question
I
just
wanted
to
thank
you
all
for
attempting
to
use
the
racial
equity
tool
in
in
this
decision
making
process,
and
I
I
just
want
to
name
that
it
feels
a
little
uncomfortable
for
me
that
we're
kind
of
taking
these
steps,
while
admitting
that
we
didn't
quite
get
enough
input
from
people
of
color
in
our
community
to
really
understand
what
potential
impact
it
has,
and
I
guess
I
sort
of
come
from
the
default
perspective
that,
if
we're
not
actively
making
a
positive
difference
for
racial
equity,
we
are
risking
going
in
the
other
direction,
and
I
guess
I
just
I
I'm
wondering
you
know
as
we
move
forward
with
this.
V
Where
are
those
other
check-in
points
where
we
can
communicate
with
communities
of
color
and
figure
out
where
that
component
fits
into
this
this
plan?
Is
it
in
sort
of
the
people
who
are
benefiting
from
outdoor
dining?
I
mean
where,
how?
How
do
we
try
to
get
a
sense
of
that,
because
I
just
I
don't
know
it's
just
it's.
It's
not
sitting
well
with
me,
but
I
I
do
appreciate
the
attempt
to
use
it
just
want
to
thank
you
for
that.
R
We
do
have
a
number
of
other
processes
that
are
going
on
that
are
much
more
in
tune
with
with
getting
broad
community
input,
there's
the
downtown
vision
plan
being
led
by
chip
and
the
downtown
boulder
partnership,
and
so
we
have
shared
with
them
the
racial
equity
instrument
and
our
communication
and
engagement
guidelines,
with
an
expectation
that
they
are
followed,
and
I
know
on
the
economic
vitality
front,
we
are
getting
ready
to
update
our
economic
sustainability
strategy
and
that
too,
will
have
opportunity
and-
and
I
dare
say,
expectation
that
we
have
broader
community
input
and
some
of
those
more
policy
driving
efforts
to
make
sure
that
that
diverse
voices
are
heard
and
that
I
just
say
in
the
nature
of
trying
to
you
know,
stand
up
a
program
in
a
pretty
short
order.
R
It
does
make
it
challenging
to
to
have
a
broad,
widely
inclusive
community
engagement
process
that
we
that
that
we've
done
in
earnest
we
could
have.
We
could
have
reached
out
to
more
people,
and
we
can
still
do
that
as
part
of
our
ongoing
conversations.
That's
why
it's
a
pilot
is
that
there
is
presumption
that
we
are
going
to
need
to
make
adjustments
to
respond
to
different
community
needs
in
the
years
ahead,
and
so
we
can
still
continue
to
listen.
R
V
Thank
you
for
that,
and
you
know
I
think,
if
we
are
to
make
the
decision
to
move
forward
with
a
check-in
place.
This
is
something
that
would
be
wonderful
to
check
in
on
at
that
interim
stage.
V
B
Call
myself
briefly
and
say
again,
echo
the
thanks
for
everyone
done
a
great
deal
of
really
high
quality
work.
I
really
appreciate
everything.
That's
it's
taken
to
get
us
here,
I'm
certainly
supportive.
I
like
the
idea
of
the
two-year
check-in,
so
we
might
include
that
in
a
motion
to
give
direction
to
that
effect
and
matt,
I
appreciate
matt's
point
about
hey.
B
Can
we
can
we
extend
things
for
a
little
while,
but
I
heard
the
complexities
from
chris
and
sandra
and
michonne,
and
so
I
don't
want
to
create
a
great
deal
of
work
for
staff.
B
Q
All
right
so
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
to
adopt
by
emergency
measure,
ordinance,
8517
amending
charter
or
chapter
8-6,
a
public
right-of-way
in
easement
encroachments
revocable
permits
lease
and
vacations
of
the
boulder
revised
code
of
1981
by
adding
a
new
section,
8-6-12
outdoor
seating
and
public
rights
of
way
and
private
property
for
boulder,
revised
code
1981,
allowing
for
a
five-year
pilot
program
that
waves
certain
code
requirements
and
allows
outdoor
seating
through
issuance
of
city
revocable
permits
and
amending
truck
chapter
20
fees
of
voter
revised
code
1981
by
amending
section
4-20-20
revocable
right-of-way
permit
lease
application
fee
of
the
boulder
revised
code
1981
and
adding
a
new
section.
Q
C
X
B
D
L
Great
it's
my
pleasure
to
introduce
chief
calderazzo,
who
is
here
to
present
this
item.
I
think
both
of
our
deputy
chiefs
are
here
from
our
fire
rescue
department
as
well,
so
mike
feel
free
to
take
it
away.
Y
Great,
thank
you
chris.
I'm
hoping
you
can
hear
me
all
right.
Good
evening,
mayor
council,
mike
calderon
fire
chief,
I'm
hoping
that
we
can
get
the
slideshow
up.
We've
got
a
little
brief
slideshow
to
share
what
we
wanted
to
do
for
kevin.
Y
Y
You
may
recall
that
right
before
covet
hit
and
shut
us
down,
we
had
come
in
front
of
council
to
get
the
master
plan
accepted
and
right
before
that,
we
had
gotten
our
accreditation
recommendations
from
the
group
that
came
to
visit
us,
and
one
of
them
was
the
recommendation
to
get
in
front
of
our
elected
officials
and
facilitate
further
planning
and
discussion
efforts
on
an
annual
basis.
Y
I
realize
it
hasn't
quite
been
annual,
but
what
we're
sharing
with
you
tonight
is
really
the
culmination
of
a
lot
of
hard
work
and
a
lot
of
folks
in
the
department
in
presenting
this
update,
and
we
we
hope
that
you'll
see
that
despite
covid,
we've
actually
been
able
to
do
quite
a
few
things
since
the
acceptance
of
the
master
plan
in
2020..
Y
So
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide
share
with
you.
Some
items
of
note
in
the
interim,
since
the
master
plan
was
approved.
This
gives
on
the
left
here
a
little
overview
of
the
call
volume
which
has
been
relatively
about
the
same
amount.
That's
a
breakdown
of
the
different
types
of
calls,
but
you
can
see
that
the
ems
definitely
dominates
and
has
always
dominated
our
call
volume,
but
in
the
interim
space
I
think
kovitz
speaks
for
itself.
We
had
a
number
of
incidents
of
note.
Y
There's
there's
been
things
like
you
know
the
the
people's
we
called
the
sellers
park,
pirate
fire
at
the
time,
but
the
people's
crossing
fire
is
actually
small
fire
that
that
could
have
quickly
become
something
quite
big
they
jumped
on.
It
fast
had
some
other
incidents
of
notes
such
as
the
pearl
street
fire
and
then
most
the
latest
fire
of
node
at
190
acres
was
the
end
car
fire.
Y
But
all
of
this,
our
team,
weathered
it's
been
doing
a
pretty
good
job,
I
think
and
and
and
the
community
as
well
as
that,
to
endure
all
of
these
things.
I
think
that
should
be
noted
as
well.
If
we
could
go
to
the
next
slide,
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
four
areas,
so
there
were
really
four
different
areas
that
our
master
plan
asked
us
to
focus
on
two
of
those.
The
first
two
I'll
go
into
are
actually
outward
facing
or
community
facing.
Y
I
would
call
them
and
then
the
the
latter
two
are
more
about
giving
the
tools
to
the
team
and
taking
care
of
the
team.
So
you'll
see
that
as
we
go
through
it
and
that's
really
what
we
wanted
to
share
with
you
is
progress
in
those
four
different
areas
and-
and
you
will
note
some
areas
that
that
have
we've
given
extra
attention
to
particularly
around
this
first
commitment.
So
if
we
could
go
to
the
next
slide
I'll
share
with
you,
some
of
the
the
information
that
we
have
on
that.
Y
The
first
commitment
was
really
about
speeding
up
response,
and
I
know
that
it's
basically
saying
better
and
faster
all
hazards
response
what
we,
the
the
conversations
we've
had
around
emergency
metal
medical
care,
in
particular,
are
about
improving
the
response
times
of
advanced
level,
medical
care
responders
and
that's
part
of
the
advanced
life
support.
But
basically
doing
that
in
all
hazards.
Y
So
it's
not
just
about
ems,
but
in
every
aspect,
as
we'll
talk
about
a
little
bit,
so
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide
I'll
I'll
share
with
you
details
on
each
of
these
areas.
So
the
two
on
the
left,
the
two
graphics
on
the
left,
speak
to
the
ems
piece,
particularly
advanced
life,
support.
What
we've
been
able
to
do
in
the
in
the
last
years.
Y
As
a
matter
of
fact,
this
year
we've
been
able
to
bring
on
board
someone
who
can
really
move
our
advanced
life
support
capabilities
forward,
and
what
that
basically
means
is
we're
looking
to
upskill
is
probably
a
terrible
word,
but
but
upgrade
the
skills
of
the
responders
on
all
of
the
fire
apparatus
so
that
they
turn
into.
Y
Basically,
you
what
we
equate
the
skill
level
from
from
ambulances,
they'd
be
on
the
fire
trucks
as
well,
so
we'd
have
way
more
of
those
in
the
system
and
by
doing
so,
reduce
the
response
time
for
that
advanced
level
care,
and
so
we
currently
have
seven
paramedics
on
the
job
and
we've
put
three
this
year
in
paramedic
school
and
our
new
supervisor,
and
that
in
that
realm,
our
ems
program
person,
their
job,
is
to
help
us
move
that
forward.
Y
Our
goal
is
to
at
least
improve
the
response
level
of
one,
if
not
two
of
our
fire
apparatus
early
next
year,
once
we
get
these
other
folks
out
of
paramedic
school.
H
Y
A
master
playing
goal,
so
the
advanced
life
support,
was
about
reducing
response
times
for
advanced
life
support
and
bringing
it
down
to
what
we
see
for
all
hazards.
So
the
first
unit
that
gets
to
your
side
as
close
to
six
minutes
as
we
can
needs
to
have
those
advanced
level
responders.
That's
the
master
plan
goal.
The
other
piece
is
cardiac
survival.
So
if,
in
the
unfortunate
event
of
a
cardiac
event,
we
want
somebody
to
walk
out
of
the
hospital
almost
as
if
that
had
never
happened,
that's
kind
of
the
goal.
Y
The
other
two
graphics
on
this
web
are
on.
This
page
are
about
how
we're
leveraging
regional
resources-
and
that
is
part
of
our
master
plan.
That
is,
you
know
what
what
regional
partnerships
can
we
forge
improve
because
there
are
fire
departments
around
us
with
those
same
skills
or
more
or
the
same
kind
of
skills,
whether
that's
wild
land
or
technical
rescue.
Y
Things
like
that
things
that
we
we
as
a
smaller
agency,
couldn't
do
just
on
our
own
to
be
able
to
use
them
better
than
we
have
in
the
past,
and
so
we've
been
working
hard
to
do
that,
and
I
think
that
the
most
visible
is
that
right,
graphic
there
probably
not
visible
to
the
community,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
now,
with
red
flag
days
after
the
marshall
fire,
we
we
certainly
got
together
and
decided.
Y
There
needs
to
be
a
better
approach
for
all
of
us
to
make
sure
that
we're
using
any
and
all
resources
and
can
dump
those
very
very
fast
when
things
like
that
are
happening,
and
I
think
we
you
call,
we
call
an
indices
based
up
staffing,
but
that's
a
that's.
A
concerted
effort
on
all
the
regional
chiefs
down
here
in
the
flats
to
improve
the
ability
to
respond
quickly
to
any
kind
of
red
flag
day
or
fire
starts.
So
those
are
some
of
the
things
that
are
happening
under
commitment
number
one.
Y
If
we
can
go
over
to
commitment
number
two,
this
is
also
outward
facing,
but
this
one
is
more
about
being
proactive.
So
if
we
could
just
flip
the
next
slide,
or
at
least
online,
it's
not
changed
yet
there.
It
is
so
the
the
commitment
itself
is
about
being
prepared
and
being
resilient,
which
is
a
big
big
thing
that
we're
trying
hard
to
explore
all
the
different
ways
to
make
that
happen
in
our
community.
It's
not
just
about
the
responders,
but
how
the
community
itself
can
be
resilient.
Y
If
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
I'll
share
some
of
the
thoughts
on
what
we're
doing
the
first
bullet.
There
probably
doesn't
make
a
lot
of
sense
to
most
people,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
this
nfpa
1300
is
the
actual
best
practices
standard
around
community
risk
reduction
and
that
craig
1300
stands
for
a
new
tool
that
we've
been
using
with
our
own
data,
to
help
assess
our
own
community
and
and
how
we
can
address
that
and
we'll.
S
U
Y
Huge
pilot
for
us
to
work
with
nfpa
folks
and
get
that
off
the
ground.
We've
also
improved
our
social
media
presence,
which
is
how
a
lot
of
people
get
their
information,
and
we
recognize
the
need
to
do
that.
And
you
know
facebook
twitter
things
like
that
that
we've
we've
been
trying
hard
to
to
do
more
of,
and
then
the
biggie
that
we
have
that
we've
been
doing
is
curbside
and
detailed
home
assessments
on
the
heels
of
the
marshall
fire.
Y
We
did
get
quite
a
bit
behind
we're
working
hard
to
catch
up
on
those.
We
no
longer
consider
the
interface
to
just
be
a
small
portion
of
the
city.
If
anybody
wants
a
detailed
home
assessment,
we
provide
those
all
across
the
city.
Y
Our
goal
in
the
master
plan
is
sixty
60
of
the
interface,
we'll
probably
have
to
rework
that
at
our
next
update,
but
we've
made
a
lot
of
progress,
not
just
on
the
curbside
assessments,
but
even
getting
through
detailed
home
assessments,
which
is
a
far
more
comprehensive
home
assessment
that
people
can
have
done
for
their
home.
Y
We've
added
administrative
fte
specifically
to
help
with
the
home
assessment
scheduling
them.
Not
just
that
there
are
other
things
that
that
person
is
helping
us
do,
but
to
give
you
an
idea,
we
were,
we
were
well
caught
up
and
we
fell
behind
around
400
almost
overnight.
That's
how
quickly
some
of
those
came
in
so
we're
working
through
those
and
trying
to
get
those
done
as
quickly
as
possible.
Y
Y
So
we've
been
trying
to
look
at
opportunities
to
divert
calls
out
of
the
9-1-1
system
to
get
people
the
care
or
the
attention
they
need,
but
doesn't
need
an
emergency
responder
and
there's
one
program
we're
looking
into
with
amr
called
nurse
navigator,
where
the
call
would
just
get
kicked
over
to
a
nurse
who
can
actually
connect
folks
with
clinical
resources
or
other
resources.
So
that's
something
we
are
working
hard
to
achieve
this
year.
Y
We
did
make
a
shift
of
multi-family
inspections
is,
is
more
about
connecting
the
actual
risk
in
in
the
community
with
targeted
work
of
our
inspectors.
So,
rather
than
I'm
doing
a
blanket
inspection
of
everything,
they
are
actually
focusing
on
some
of
our
higher
risk
places.
That's
usually
the
multi-family
occupancies
and
we've
done
that
with
a
lot
of
success.
So
we've
been
we've
been
getting
those
knocked
out
a
lot.
I
don't
have
the
actual
numbers,
but
I
certainly
can
get
those
that's
been.
Y
A
big
big
push
for
our
team
and
the
last
area
is,
is
work
with
osmp,
who
has
rangers,
who
also
are
red,
target
employees
that
do
wildland
work
and
trying
to
better
identify
from
a
city-wide
perspective.
What
our
wildland
response,
team
and
prevention
team
and
training
team
should
look
like
and
how
that
would
integrate
best,
also
with
the
greater
community,
the
greater
boulder
area
as
well.
Y
So
so
there's
more
to
be
done
on
that
this
year,
but
that's
a
big
part
of
of
how
we
leverage
all
the
regional
resources
to
get
the
best
response
we
can
from
what's
what's
already
in
place,
let's
move
on
to
commitment
three,
which
actually
shifts
our
focus
away
from
the
community
and
more
towards
the
the
people
delivering
the
services.
So
commitment
three
was
really
about
getting
our
people,
the
technology
and
the
tools
to
do
the
job
that
we
asked
them
to
do
in
the
community.
Y
If
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
I've
got
just
some
some
bullets
or
pictorial
bullets
of
different
things
that
we've
invested
in
and
are
about
to
invest
in
substantially.
I
think
everybody
knows
about
station
three.
Our
plan
on
station
three
is
to
break
ground
later
in
the
summer,
probably
the
fall
and
hopefully
be
able
to
finish
that
station
in
18
months
time
and
move
in
around
2024.
Y
That's
the
goal
there.
The
other
areas,
though,
are
all
areas
we've
invested
in
heavily
to
improve
technology
that
are
things
that
that
are
already
in
place
so
and
a
good
example
on
a
technology
front,
as
you
may
recall
a
few
years
ago,
with
the
ccrs
tax,
the
radio
system
for
all
the
public
safety
responders
was
something
we
identified
as
needing
huge
improvement,
because
there
were
so
many
dead
spots,
people
would
go.
Y
Firefighters,
police
officers
would
be
in
different
areas,
they
couldn't
even
transmit
out,
and
we
just
finally
got
that
system
completely
in
place
and
cut
over
this
year
within
the
last
couple
months
and
it
is
loads
better
than
what
the
team
had
before
that's
one
example,
but
we've
invested
in
other
areas
in
technology
we
needed
to
upgrade
our
records
management
system
on
the
fire
side,
just
to
improve
not
just
our
data
collection
and
our
ability
to
analyze
it,
but
also
our
old
system
was
actually
had
reached
end
of
life,
and
so
we
needed
to
invest
in
that.
Y
But
we've
also
put
money
towards
our
wildland
capabilities,
so
we've
invested
in
giving
every
responder
in
the
city
a
set
of
wildland
gear,
so
they
can
quickly
respond
to
wildland
fires
and
we've
also
added
to
our
stock
of
wildland
equipment
so
that
the
changeover
is
quick.
So
if
they
respond
to
a
fire
and
they
need
to
put
the
equipment
up
and
grab
new,
we
have
some
of
that
available
as
well.
Y
That's
been
a
big
addition
to
to
investments
and
and
unfortunately,
the
last
piece
that
tactical
gear-
I
just
my
third
that
I'd
be
saying
this,
but
tactical
gear
is
something
we
have
given
now
to
every
responder
as
well
in
the
in
the
hopefully
completely
unlikely
event.
We
have
to
undergo
what
we
did
in
the
last
couple
years,
but
it's
out
there
and
available
to
our
team
for
for
their
response.
So
I
I
would
say
that
of
of
the
million
dollars
or
so
spent
not
including
station
three.
Y
We
have
spent
at
least
half
of
that
towards
our
wildland
capabilities,
among
other
things
and
the
last
area
of
commitment.
If
you
will
turn
the
slide
is
about
how
we
treat
our
employees-
and
I
think
the
city
of
boulder
does
a
fantastic
job
already,
but
there
are
needs
unique
to
our
responders.
I
want
to
flip
that
slide
over
one.
We
can
at
least
look
at
the
commitment,
and
this
is
really
about
investing
in
the
people
who
are
serving
our
community.
Y
Happy
healthy
folks
are
going
to
do
a
far
better
job
out
in
the
field,
so
we'll
flip
the
slide
over
one
more
we'll
talk
about
these
last
couple
of
points
you
can
see
on
the
left.
Some
pictures
of
think
the
slide
above
is
is
the
big
talking
point.
Besides
the
one
below
our
newest
firefighters,
you
can
see
the
team
there,
but
but
above
they
they
were
part
of
a
much
bigger
training
academy.
That
was
all
regional.
Y
So
we
had
a
bunch
of
regional
academy
instructors
and
it
was
all
right
here
done
in
boulder,
and
I
think
that
speaks
volumes
to
the
level
of
cooperation
that
we're
seeing
with
all
of
the
local
departments
and
responders,
but
we've
also
invested
in
peer
support
for
our
team.
You
know.
Mental
health
and
wellness
is
big
for
the
community,
but
it's
also
big
for
for
our
own
team
and
making
sure
they're
taken
care
of
it's
unfortunate.
Y
That
that
are
the
highest
cause
of
death
among
firefighters
is
actually
self-inflicted,
as
opposed
to
the
job
itself,
and
that's
something
we
don't
want
to
see
here,
but
also
we've
had
some
issues
with
with
retirement
and
hiring.
One
of
our
goals
in
the
master
plan
is
about
improving
the
diversity
of
the
workforce,
particularly
around
gender,
in
the
fire
service
nationally,
I
think
we're
under
four
percent
females
and
and
boulder
is
probably
tracking
close
to
that,
and
our
our
goal
is
actually
to
be
far
above
that
over
the
next
10
years.
Y
The
real
challenge,
of
course,
is
that
the
pool
it's
just
not
there,
the
candidate
pool,
isn't
there.
So
we
we've
set
up
a
workplace
workforce
development
committee
to
help
us
with
our
recruitment
our
testing.
We
want
to
lower
barriers,
certainly
to
lower
income
folks,
because
they,
in
some
cases,
they're
paying
to
take
the
test
to
get
on
the
list.
Y
There's
things
like
that
that
we
want
to
explore
improving
access
to
get
on
a
list
to
be
hired
for
all
the
regional
departments
if
need
be,
or
if
we
can
influence
that,
and
then
I
mentioned
paramedic
school
already.
But
one
of
the
other
big
goals
in
our
master
plan
is
to
improve
the
standardized
level
of
response
that
we
have
especially
team
and
advanced
certifications.
Y
Y
That's
what
it's
all
about
so
so
those
are.
Those
are
in
a
very
brief
presentation,
our
update
from
the
master
plan
to
date.
If
you
could
pull
up,
I
think
it's
two
slides
from
here,
because
I
think
the
next
one
is
just
questions.
Go
one
more
one,
more
there's
the
qr
code.
There
are
two
websites.
We
are
part
of
the
city's
open
data
piece
so
on
the
right
is
a
link
to
the
open
data
that
we
have
out
there.
That
comes
straight
out
of
our
community
computer,
aided
dispatching
system.
Y
It's
not
cleaned
data,
but
it's
good
data
and
you'll
be
able
to
see
a
lot
of
that
tied
into
community
risk
reduction
stuff
and
then
on.
The
right
side
are
on
the
left
side.
The
craig
1300
is
a
fairly
new
we've
run
into
some
bumps
with
our
new
records
management
system,
so
that
one
is
not
as
updated
as
the
one
on
the
right,
but
it's
certainly
a
little
cleaner
than
the
one
on
the
right.
Y
So
I
hope
that
makes
sense,
but
that's
our
presentation
for
this
evening
we
were
open
now
to
leave
it
up
for
council
questions
or
discussion.
So
I'll
turn
it
back
over
to
you,
mr
mayor.
B
Thanks
so
much
chief
that
was
really
informative.
It's
great
to
see
all
the
progress
that's
been
made
in
the
last
two
years
since
the
master
plan
adoption
and
in
particular
congratulations
on
the
accreditation.
That's
a
big
step
and
read
through
the
report.
There
are
lots
of
glowing,
reviews
and
comments
on
the
department,
so
questions
for
chief
calvarozzo.
V
You
so
much
for
this
report.
This
was
really
helpful
just
in
getting
a
better
understanding
of
what
you
all
do
and
all
the
many
many
ways
that
you
care
for
our
community.
So
thank
you
for
that.
I
just
had
a
couple
of
questions.
Oh
and
sorry.
First,
I
just
wanted
to
say
how
much
I
appreciate
this
focus
on
wellness.
V
It
feels
like
to
me
that's
also
another
wonderful
way
to
aid
with
retention
of
employees,
but
particularly
for
those
who
are
in
kind
of
these
caretaking
sorts
of
professions,
and
I
imagine
especially
with
the
stressors
that
you
all
are
involved
in.
I'm
just
really
really
appreciate
that
you,
you
all,
are
focused
on
that
for
your
employees.
V
So
I
was
just
having
a
question
around
and
thinking
about
some
of
the
evacuation
planning
notice
planning
that
sort
of
thing
is
there
work
in
trying
to
understand
how
we
evacuate
people
as
we're
trying
to
reduce
the
number
of
cars
in
our
community.
So
I
think
this
is
something
right.
We're
talking
about
this
a
little
bit
later,
some
different
tools
to
get
people
to
drive
less,
but
you
know
how.
How
are
you
all
thinking
about
that
or
how
does
that
fold
into
the
evacuation
plans
as
we
start
adapting
our
city.
Y
So
the
the
the
short
answer
is
at
the
moment,
what
we're
doing
with
all
of
the
regions
around
us,
louisville
lafayette
us,
I
believe
in
even
longmont's
involved,
some
of
the
other
smaller
communities
and
the
county
is
we're
gritting
this
gridding.
What
we've
done
in
the
interface
all
the
way
through
in.
Y
Alternate
routes-
it's
I
think
I
mentioned
this
sometime
back
when
I
was
in
front
of
council
about
you,
know
areas
of
focus
for
people
to
evacuate
from
so
it's
sort
of
the
know,
your
zone
kind
of
thing
and
so
we're
working
on
trying
to
create
those
zones
that
will
make
sense
to
people
and
be
able
to
get
out
there
now.
As
far
as
you
know,
the
the
traffic
flows
and
all
of
that
we're
still
working
that
piece
out.
Y
How
do
we
and
and
trying
to
get
granular
in
the
sense
that
we
struggle
with
the
there's
the
in
a
perfect
world?
I'd,
be
able
to
say
I
want
to
evacuate
one
first,
then
two
and
then
three
so
that
the
people
are
not
stacked
up
like
cord
wood,
trying
to
get
out
and
they're
stuck
and
they
become.
You
know,
victims
or
just
there,
and
they
can't
go
anywhere.
I
don't.
I
can't
make
any
promises.
Y
But
more
importantly,
first
thing
we
have
to
do
is
figure
out
what
those
zones
need
to
look
like
and
that's
actually
being
done
regionally
right
now,
as
I
speak,
I'm
not
the
smart
one
in
the
room
to
get
that
done,
but
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
really
smart
people
working
on
that
right
now
and
we'll
be
coming
together
in
the
next
month
or
two
to
see
some
of
that
work
and
to
see
how
we're
going
to
then
turn
around
not
only
translate
that
into
useful
evacuation
routes
and
then
and
and
how
we're
going
to
be
able
to
notify
people
appropriately,
but
also
help
people
the
easy
button
version
for
them.
Y
N
Y
I
don't
know
what
it
means
we
want
to
be
able
to
set
it
up
to
where
people
know
exactly
what
they
need
to
do.
Well,
that's
going
to
take
some
outreach.
That's
going
to
take
some
time.
So
our
first
step
right
now
is
just
getting
those
zones
identified,
proper
routes
out
and
then
realistically
we
turn
to
our
law
enforcement
partners
and
go
okay.
Y
Do
you
even
have
the
staff
to
be
able
to
close
intersections
turn
these
two
ways
into
one?
You
know
one
ways
and,
and
if
you
don't,
what
do
we
need
to
identify
to
make
that
happen,
I
mean:
does
everybody
become
a
responder?
We
start
closing
streets
and
make
it
work,
so
those
are
some
of
the
conversations
that
we're
really
working
hard
to
put
together.
V
Yep
yeah,
no,
I
think,
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
was
wondering
is
for
folks
who
don't
have
cars
right,
because
we're
trying
to
kind
of
push
people
more
toward
you
know,
don't
have
a
car
if
you
can
avoid
it.
Take
the
bus
ride.
Your
bike,
walk
use,
some
alternative
modes
of
transportation.
V
Y
That's
a
great
point
and
I'd
be
surprised
if
they're
not
talking
about
it,
but
I
will
be
sure
to
insert
myself
in
that
part
of
the
conversation
make
sure
we're
talking
considering
it.
V
Thanks,
I
appreciate
that
my
other
question
was
just
around
this
was
on
the
number
of
personnel
dedicated
to
fire
training
on
page
14
of
the
memo
that
we
had
said
that
there
were
three
and
I
was
just
wondering
if
that,
if
that
feels
sufficient
to
you
know,
if
that's
enough
to
meet
the
need,
it
seems
to
me
like
we
have
a
pretty
significant
need
right
now
to
educate
folks
about
how
to
mitigate
fire
danger.
Y
That's
that's
the
training
for
the
troops,
and
that's
so.
I
have
additional
trainers
for
wildland
in
particular.
So
it's
a
little
more.
I
guess
the
answers
a
little
more
nuanced.
Those
are
my
dedicated
team
to
training
for
almost
all
hazards
and
I
think
we
still
need
to
work
through
because
there's
actually
regional
training
assets
as
well.
So
before
I
say,
oh,
we
probably
need
five
well
if
we
did
need
five
or
seven.
Y
What
can
I
also
use
from
say
the
mountain
view,
fire
protection
district
that
has
trainers
as
well,
so
we're
actually
working
with
them?
That's
also
why
that
one
slide
had
all
those
firefighters
graduate
there.
That's
a
brand
new
class,
and
that
was
from
all
of
the
region's
responders
and
the
trainers
actually
weren't.
Just
boulder
fire
trainers.
There
were
trainers
from
louisville
and
they
were
from
mountain
view.
So
the
short
answer
is
no.
Y
V
Yep
and
that-
and
I
think
I'm
in
in
hearing
your
response,
I
may
have
misunderstood
what
that
was.
It
sounds
like
that's
training
for
your
staff
and
what
I
was
thinking
around
was
how
many
I
I
thought.
Initially
it
was
people
dedicated
to
training
the
community
or
you
know,
going
out
and
doing
these
home
assessments
and
things
like
that,
and
so
I
guess
similar
question
but
applying
to
folks
in
the
community.
Now
that
seems
I
mean
you've
got.
You
know
over
a
hundred
thousand
people
educate
about
this.
Y
Oh
for
sure,
I
think
we're
working
with
with
the
team
to
figure
out
what
what
what's
the
right
size
to
achieve,
some
of
that
that
outreach
and
that
goal,
and
of
course
the
city
has
lots
of
resources
there
too.
So
we
are
working
with
with
the
city
manager's
office,
to
figure
out
the
right
way
to
do
that
through.
V
Q
Well,
thanks
chief
for
the
update
and-
and
I
also
would
definitely
love
to
express
gratitude
for
how
quickly
you
and
your
teams
have
pounced
on
those
two
small
wildfires
over
the
past
week
over
by
wonderland
and
violet,
and
you
guys
continue
to
just
be
hammered
with
with
where
we're
at
with
fires
around
our
community.
So
thank
you
a
lot
of
gratitude
for
the
work
you
guys
continue
to
do.
On
that
front.
I
had
a
couple
of
questions,
one
surrounding
als
work,
and
I
know
that.
Q
Q
Y
A
great
question,
so
the
the
first
part
of
that
is
improving
the
level
of
response
from
the
existing
trucks
that
are
out
there
in
service
now.
So
that
means
upgrading
the
skill
level
from
emt
emergency
medical
technician
to
paramedic
on
all
of
the
trucks
in
the
city,
and
our
plan
is
to
do
that
in
the
core
of
the
city.
Y
First,
for
the
bulk
of
of
the
ems
responses
are
and
then
build
that
out
across
time,
so
that
hopefully,
in
a
few
years,
all
of
those
units
will
be
als
along
with
the
ambulances
and
that
the
the
response
times
overall
will
mirror
what
we're
getting
with
our
basic
life
support
times
today,
which
is
actually
far
lower
than
the
advanced
life
support.
Y
So
so
that
was,
the
plan
was
to
turn
three
to
four
advanced
life
support
units
into
13
or
14,
and
thus
reduce
response
times
down
to
about
six
minutes
for
that
advanced
care.
So
that
should
take
a
few
years,
but
starting
next
year,
we'll
be
able
to
hopefully
upgrade
at
least
two
units
and
council
will
likely
see
over
time.
Some
of
that
through
through
requests
to
improve
the
training
level.
So
that's
that's
kind
of
the
plan
going
forward.
If
that
makes
any
sense.
Q
It
does
I
appreciate
hearing
the
time.
I
think
that
when
you
hear
25
reduction
over
a
period
of
time,
that's
sort
of
an
exciting
opportunity.
So
I
appreciate
you
laying
out
the
timing.
The
last
one
was
really
more.
B
About
actually
I
don't
mind
if
I,
if
I
follow
up
on
that
question,
because
so
because
I
was
going
to
ask
the
same
question,
but
I
have
one
additional
follow-up
on
that
mike,
which
is
you're
you're
talking
about
a
training
question
here.
Are
there
additional
kind
of
significant
infrastructure
investments
that
are
also
necessary
in
the
next
few
years
to
bring
that
that
als
in-house.
Y
So
so
the
short
answer
is
yes,
and
no,
so
the
the
station
three
once
it's
built
will
help
because
it
will
allow
us
to
if
we
needed
to
put
put
additional
responders
in
there
by
ups
by
up
staffing
or
upskilling
the
the
existing
units.
The
quick
answer
is,
I
don't
need
to
do
anything
other
than
train
the
responders
and
make
sure
they
have
the
equipment
on
the
trucks.
That's
that's
key
to
expanding
the
capability
there.
I
do
need
infrastructure,
but
it's
not
just
for
als.
It's
really
across
the
board.
Good
example
is
our.
Y
You
know
south
boulder
huge
wildfire
risk.
I
don't
have
a
wildland
truck
there.
I
don't
even
have
any.
I
can
barely
fit
the
truck.
That's
there
in
the
station,
that's
there
and
it
would
be
great
if
we
had
the
ability
to
allow
those
responders
to
don
their
wildland
gear
jump
in
that
in
the
wild
and
truck
and
actually
go
because
they
can't
use
the
truck
they
have.
So
it's
those
kinds
of
limitations
I
have
for
all
hazards.
It's
not
just
als,
but
I'll.
Tell
you
that
als.
Y
Y
We
can
start
up
staffing
those
trucks
and
do
that
over
the
next
few
years
and
be
able
to
make
it.
You
know
improve
response
times
with
not
a
huge
capital
investment
beyond
the
plan
that's
already
in
place,
but
I
really
need
that
capital
investment
for
the
all
hazards
approach,
particularly
wildland.
I
would.
Q
Appreciate
the
follow-up
aaron,
I
see
the
other
one
has
to
kind
of
do
with
just
you
know
that
community
engagement
aspect-
and
you
know
one
of
the
things.
Q
Obviously
I
I'm
glad
that
you
guys
are
chipping
away
at
that
400,
400
or
400
request
backlog
on
those
individual
home
assessments,
but
but
in
the
interim,
there's
that
wonderful
curbside
assessment
tool
on
the
city's
website
and
I'm
just
hoping
that
between
boulder
fire
rescue
and
our
city's
communication
staff
that
we
can
really
pepper
the
community
so
that
they're
empowered
to
know
even
at
a
baseline,
curb
assessment,
certainly
for
those
in
the
wild
wild
urban
interface,
whether
they're,
green,
yellow
or
red,
and
that
may
entice
them
to
be
like.
Oh
I'm,
a
red.
Q
H
U
I
recently
was
given
a
tour
of
the
wild
land
urban
interface
areas,
and
I
was
actually
quite
stunned
at
the
number
of
homes
that
not
only
were
not
following
best
practices.
They
were
literally
kindling
awaiting
a
spark
and
have
you
given
any
thought
to
to
either
policies
or
ordinances.
We
might
look
to
to
address
some
of
that.
Obviously
we're
not
going
to
tell
people
they
have
to
redo
their
home,
but
we
might
do
a
policy.
U
For
instance,
of
you
know,
banning
future
installation
of
junipers
west
of
broadway,
which
I
have
now
learned,
are
considered
gasoline
on
a
stick
and
which
was
stunning
to
me
since
I
put
seven
junipers
in
when
I
reached
in
my
backyard,
but
that's
not
good
practice
and
we
need
to
make
people
aware
of
good
practice,
and
perhaps
we
need
to
go
a
little
further
in
terms
of
ordinances
or
policies.
U
You
know
going
forward
to
create
that
resilience
or
what
about
using
arpa
funds
to
help
subsidize
people
who
need
to
take
out
their
sort
of
offending
vegetation
or
who
need
who
can
make
changes
to
their
home?
To
make
them
more
fire
resilient
because,
as
I
said,
there
are
so
many
homes
that
I
saw
that
are
just
waiting
for
a
spark
and
if
there's
something
we
can
do
about
it,
we
ought
to,
and
I
wonder,
if
you've
given
any
thought
to
what
those
things
might
be.
Y
So,
yes,
we
we.
We
definitely
need
to
talk
about
alternatives
to
what
we've
already
adopted.
So
so
council
has
already
adopted
the
wild
urban
interfaith
wildland
urban
interface
code,
so
the
international
code
has
been
adopted.
It
is,
of
course,
only
it's
not
applicable
retroactively,
so
so,
if
the
homes
are
already
there
and
the
property
is
already
there,
it
doesn't
apply
it's
for
the
new
construction
kind
of
things.
The
way
usual
adoption
works,
but
some
of
your
other
ideas.
Y
Definitely
we
can
definitely
look
at
and
potentially
bring
forth
to
council
as
a
policy
adoption,
but
I
you
know,
I
hadn't,
I
hadn't
considered
the
juniper
idea,
but
that's
definitely
a
good
thought.
Yeah.
U
B
Thanks
for
that
mark
so
I'll
call
on
myself
and
mike
this,
isn't
I
I'm
going
to
go
to
a
comment
here
but
appreciate
again
all
the
phenomenal
work
the
department
is
doing
and
we're
we're
entering
into
a
period
where
we're
going
to
be
considering
the
uses
of
the
community
culture
resilience
and
safety
tax,
and
we
also,
if
the
the
library
district
initiative
is
successful,
may
have
some
additional
funds
to
spend
and
for
me
personally
I
would
definitely
look
at
fire
resilience
and
a
faster
path
to
full,
als
and
shorter
response
time
to
be
things
very
much
worthy
of
consideration
for
spending
some
of
those
additional
dollars.
B
So
my
ask
to
you
would
be
to
think
about
in
the
next
few
months
about
how
you
could
move
some
of
these
initiatives
forward
more
quickly.
If
you
had
additional
funding
available
to
you,
because
I'd
love
to
hear
about
what
we
might
be
able
to
accomplish
as
we
move
into
the
discussions
about
those
sources
of
funds.
B
V
Yeah,
I
just
had
a
follow-up
on
that
question
erin.
I
would
be
particularly
interested
in
knowing
if
there
are
things
that
more
more
sort
of
wellness
focused
uses
for
some
of
those
funds
as
well.
It
just
strikes
me
that
that
is
a
wellness
for
your
staff.
I
mean
chief.
E
Thank
you,
chief
for
sharing
with
us
about
that
wildland
truck
and
have
you
or
are
you
going
to
tell
us
how
we
can
go
forward
and
try
to
accomplish
that
or
have
you
done
that
already?
That
seems
to
be
important,
especially
in
regards
to
south
boulder.
Y
I
was
going
to
ask:
are
you
referring
to
the
one
in
south
polar?
So
yes,
actually,
the
ccrs
tax
includes
at
least
provisionally
funding
for
that
station
down
there
in
south
boulder,
so
we're
we're
trying
to
explore
options
as
to
whether
that
could
be
and
where
and
obviously
that
property
is
not
big
enough
to
do
anything
with
at
the
moment.
Y
So
we're
trying
to
figure
out
how
we're
how
we're
going
to
make
that
work
so
that
we
can
have
that
asset
down
in
south
boulder
and
available
to
the
community.
So
we
are
exploring
it
it's
it's
all
about.
Where
do
we
get
the
land
the
space
to
to
put
the
the
apparatus,
the
two
of
them
in
in
service
so
but.
B
Q
Thanks
aaron
mike
my
question
is
kind
of
a
a
question
of
keeping
the
conversation
alive.
I
think
earlier
this
spring
we
had
that
sort
of
initial
update
on
you,
know,
post
marshall
and
end
car
fire.
We
kind
of
got
the
baseline
of
the
work
that's
been
done.
I
know
that
obviously
there's
some
work
that
we
might
be
talking
about
maybe
later
this
summer,
but
I'm
kind
of
wondering
now
that
we've
talked
a
little
bit
about
the
master
plan
and
some
of
that
specific
work
that
boulder
fire
and
rescue
is
doing.
Q
B
B
Okay,
I
think
that
finishes
this
item
out.
We
are
very
nicely
ahead
of
schedule.
Let's
see
if
we
can
maintain
that
we
got
two
smaller
final
items
who
do
we
turn
to
for
for
the
next
one.
L
I
think
our
next
item
is
under
matters
for
mayor
and
members
of
council,
which
is
a
discussion
on
a
request
for
a
knot
of
five.
So
natalie
stifler
is
here
to
help
talk
about
that.
But
it
was
a
request
that
council
member
benjamin
brought
forward,
and
so
with
that,
I'm
happy
to
turn
it
over
to
natalie.
Z
Thanks
chris
good
evening,
council,
I'm
natalie
stifler,
I'm
the
interim
director
of
transportation
and
mobility.
Thanks
for
having
us
to
have
this
conversation
tonight,
just
for
a
little
bit
of
background,
I
think
most
folks
are
aware.
This
idea
came
up
from
our
tab.
One
of
our
tab,
members
and
they've
been
talking
about
it
and
then
introduced.
Z
I
believe,
introduced
the
idea
to
council
member
benjamin,
and
so
we've
had
some
conversations
offline
about
a
potential
pilot
program
for
an
e-bike
rebate
that
we
would
potentially
try
to
do
this
year
and
we're
certainly
looking
to
counsel
for
that,
not
a
five.
If
that's
something
that
is
council's
wish,
we
can
accommodate
it.
I
do
want
to
just
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
that
would
look
like
for
us.
T
Z
Know
so
community
cycles
submitted
a
proposal
that
they
could
administer
a
pilot
program
for
us
and
that's
something
that
staff
has
been
reviewing
over
the
last
week
and
it
certainly
is
interested
in
pursuing.
If
that's
something
that
council
would
want
us
to
do,
they
have
the
experience
in
administering
an
e-bike
program.
They
did
so
this
year
for
the
can-do
colorado
grant
program
through
the
state,
and
so
they're
certainly
fit
to
be
able
to
do
that.
Z
For
us,
we
would
definitely
want
to
make
some
refinements
to
the
proposal
and
that
would
occur
through
the
procurement
process.
So
we
would
need
to
go
through
a
procurement
process
to
be
able
to
contract
with
community
cycles,
to
do
this
work,
and
so
that
would
take
some
staff
time
to
refine
the
proposal
and
go
through
that
procurement
process.
So
a
little
bit
about
the
staff
time.
I
think
you
know
we've
over
the
last
week
kind
of
mulled
over
this
and
thought.
Okay.
What
could
what
kind
of
impact
this
will
have
on
our
work
program?
Z
We
believe
we
can
accommodate
it.
I
think
we
will
need
to
shift
some
things
which
could
cause
a
delay
on
some
of
the
community
engagement
work
for
the
can
corridor
on
baseline.
Z
It
you
know
it's,
it
wouldn't
be
a
huge,
dramatic
shift,
but
it
certainly
will
delay
just
some
of
the
staff
time
that
we
can
dedicate
to
that
project.
While
we,
while
we
shift
to
focus
on
this
a
little
bit
and
then
as
far
as
timeline,
what
we're
thinking
is.
It
would
probably
take
us-
maybe
the
next
couple
months,
just
to
refine
the
proposal,
work
with
community
cycles
and
and
go
through
a
procurement
process,
but
we
think
we
could
launch
a
pilot
by
september,
so
that
is
still
within
kind
of
the.
Z
Z
So
that's
our
our
thinking
on
timeline-
and
you
know
the
the
benefit
of
doing
a
pilot
program.
I
think,
is
that
it
can
inform
a
future
program.
We're
staff
is
definitely
interested
in
a
future
program,
and
the
state
of
colorado
is
they'll,
be
releasing
a
competitive
process
for
12
million
dollars
for
e-bike
programs
across
the
state,
and
that's
something
that
we
would
be
interested
in
competing
for
and
then
that
funding
would
potentially
be
available
in
2023
for
us
to
launch
a
broader.
Z
B
Q
I
appreciate
that
aaron
and
natalie.
I
appreciate
all
the
the
time
and
effort
you've
given
into
working
with
myself
and
and
ryan
and
sue
and
others
to
one
just
understand,
but
to
really
be
be
graceful
within
the
work
that
you've
been
given
as
a
new
interim
director
with
can
the
big
pivot
and,
and
also
you
know,
looking
at
some
of
our
desires
to
be
agile,
to
sort
of
the
current
timing
of
things
this
year.
So
I
appreciate
you
working
with
us
on
this
a
lot
I
think
without
overstating.
Q
Q
The
idea
of
this
e-bike
program
really
sort
of,
I
think,
came
from
a
successful
program
that
denver
launched
right.
They
put
nine
million
dollars
over
three
years
to
an
e-bike
rebate
program
and
got
like
3
200
applications,
40
of
which
went
to
low-income
income,
qualified
individuals
and
they
exhausted
nearly
three
million
dollars
in
like
two
and
a
half
weeks.
That's
how
popular
the
program
was
now.
Q
Obviously
they
need
to
refine
it
and
make
some
tweaks
for
good
and
the
bad,
but
just
in
terms
of
the
potential
success
that
we
could
have
in
a
community
like
ours,
I
think
kind
of
speaks
for
itself.
So
I
think
that
was
really
a
leading
catalyst
for
this,
and
the
pilot
really
came
out
of
one.
You
know
this
is
the
you
know.
Q
We
have
an
opportunity
this
year,
gas
prices
are
nearing
all-time
high,
you
know,
can
we
you
know
nimbly
meet
some
of
our
communities,
needs
and
use
the
economic
strain
that
high
gas
prices
are
having
to
get
people
out
of
their
cars
and
perhaps
reduce
their
vmt
and
really
start
to.
You
know,
take
some
bites
out
of
our
vmt
reductions
and
meet
some
of
our
climate
goals.
Q
So
I
just
wanted
to
set
that
up
from
motives
for
why
that
wasn't
and
just
appreciate,
natalie
really
working
hard
to
try
to
understand
what
was
going
on
and
and
try
to
make
this
work.
So
I
will
be
quiet
unless
there's
questions
I
can
answer
about
the
proposal.
Perhaps
since
I
had
worked
with
community
cycles
to
help
set
that
up.
So
I
will
step
aside.
E
Well,
I
guess
natalie.
My
first
question
is
is
when
you
say
it's
going
to
take
time
away,
we
did
ask
staff
to
switch
from
what
they
were
currently
doing
to
can
when,
during
when
we
talked
about
it.
So
are
you
being
truthful
when
you're
saying
that
it's
just
going
to
be
a
little
bit
of
work,
because
I
know
it's
very
difficult
for
staff
to
switch
to
something
and
then
switch
to
something
else?
Z
Yeah,
I
can
definitely
be
more
clear
about
that.
I
think
we
certainly
will.
It
will
take
significant
staff
time
over
the
next
couple
months,
and
so
we
will
need
to
shift
away
from
the
community.
What
we
were
planning
to
do
with
baseline
was
to
begin
our
community
engagement
for
the
baseline
corridor
as
part
of
can
so
that
is
certainly
going
to
be
delayed
to
do
this
work.
E
So
I'm
just
going
to
say
that
I
would
not
like
to
delay
the
baseline
corridor,
so
I
do
love
my
e-bike
so
much,
but
I
don't
know
that
I
want
to
do
that
to
you.
I
don't
know
that
we
want
to
do
this,
so
I'm
just
going
to
say
I
probably
don't,
but
I
want
to
move
on
to
my
number
one
subject
which
I've
told
you
before
and
that
is
lighting
in
our
underpasses,
because
many
of
our
bikers,
especially
women
and
children,
tell
me
that
the
underpasses
are
dark.
Some
of
the
lights
don't
work.
E
E
E
Z
No,
so
lighting
in
the
underpasses
is
transportation
and
yeah.
Thank
you
for
that
question.
We
we
that's
something
that
we
can
certainly
look
at
as
we
go
into
2023
and
2024
work
planning.
We've
talked
about
kind
of
updating
our
standards
around
lighting
and
underpasses,
and
if
that
would
be
something
that
would
be
necessary
kind
of
looking
industry-wide.
If
that's
something,
that
is
something
that
we
just
need
to
do,
and
that
would
be
something
that
we
could
look
at
in
the
next
couple
years
in
our
workplace.
Yeah.
E
B
All
right,
thanks
for
the
question
tara
we've
got
lauren
rachel,
nicole.
G
Thank
you,
yeah.
I
was
wondering
if
there
are
any
like,
is
there
a
level
at
which
this
is
easier
to
implement?
You
know
if
the
if
the
pilot
program
is
under
a
certain
size,
does
that
make
it
easier
to
run
and
not
take
staff
time
away,
or
you
know,
I'm
also
I'd
be
open
to
other
ideas
as
well.
You
know
because
I
do
think
that
the
high
gas
prices-
and
things
like
that
is,
you
know,
a
real
burden
for
people
in
our
community
and
looking
at
you
know,
b-cycle
passes
or
enhanced.
You
know.
G
Z
So
I
think,
with
the
with
this,
the
e-bike
rebate
idea
we've
kind
of
minimized
it
to
the
as
least
impactful
as
it
could
be
on
our
work
program.
I
don't
know
that
we
could
make
it
so
that
it's
still
effective
and
make
it
any
smaller.
I
don't
know
that
that
could
be
done.
That
was
kind
of
the
intent
with
the
pilot
was
that
it
would,
it
would
be
pretty
minimal
and
that
still
has
a
significant
impact
on
our
work
plan.
P
P
I
think
we
we
need
to
you,
know
sort
of
finish
the
the
race
that
we
started
already
on
that
one
and
understand
that
you're
saying
staff
can't
balance
both
so
appreciate
that
when
it
does
come
back
just
a
couple
of
things
that
I
would
hope
to
see,
I
think
everybody's
pretty
impressed
with
the
denver
program
and
there
are
some
other
places.
I
am
curious
how
much
of
that
was
sort
of
from
the
county
versus
the
city
when
it
comes
back
to
us
like
what
pot
of
money
did
they
use?
P
Is
this
something
that
a
county
would
ordinarily
lift
up?
I
think
that
boulder
county
is
looking
at
it.
So
is
that
something
that
we
can
partner
on
so
just
flagging
that
for
when
it
comes
back,
it
sounds
like
an
early
23
if
it
goes
according
to
that
schedule
and
then
also
if,
if
our
goal
is
truly
to
reduce
vehicle
miles
traveled,
what
is
the
price
point
at
which
someone
who's
on
the
fence
about
buying
an
e-bike
can
then
buy
it?
P
I
assume
that
if
I'm
a
billionaire
this
program's,
not
for
me,
I
assume
that
you
know
if
I,
if
I
have
no
disposable
income,
it's
really
good
for
me,
but
then
there
must
also
be
a
middle
category
of
people
who
would
like
an
e-bike
and
can't
quite
afford.
It
may
not
be
lower
even
middle
income
qualified
but
just
can't
get
there.
So
I
would.
I
would
love
some
some
research
and
study
on
what
is
that,
like
sweet
spot
for
the
city
to
to
plug
in
at.
B
V
Thank
you.
I
have
a
sort
of
process
question
that
I
think,
may
it
may
not
be
you
and
natalie.
I
think
this
may
be
a
narrative
question
or
a
fellow
council
question.
What's
the
process
for
responding
to
things
like
this
that
come
up
from
our
boards
or
from
outside
groups
in
the
community?
V
How
how
do
we
sort
of
do
we
have
a
process
for
you
know
evaluating
and
responding
to
these
kinds
of
requests?
I
guess
you
know.
One
of
the
questions
that
I'm
thinking
of
is
is
just
the
trade-offs
right.
What
are
what
are
we
not
investing
in
and
you
know
matt
you,
you
referenced
high
gas
prices
right.
That
is
absolutely
hitting
people
right
now.
V
So
are
high
rent
prices,
so
her
high
food
prices,
and
so
I'm
thinking
about
all
the
folks
who
are
struggling
even
just
to
make
rent
or
put
food
on
their
table
right
now,
and
so,
when
I
think
about
having
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
give
toward
a
program,
that's
going
to
help
people.
I
I'm
just
wondering
how
how
do
we
even
begin
to
kind
of
evaluate
that
space
of
where,
when
we're
choosing
to
do
things
that
are
going
to
take
us
off
of
our
work
plan
that
aren't
on
staff's
immediate
work
plan?
L
Nicole,
I
think
I'll
jump
in
and
and
take
your
question
first
and
I
think
it's
a
really
good
one
and-
and
maybe
this
is
actually
something
I
should
have
done
when
we
started.
This
item
is
just
to
tee
up
a
little
bit.
How
does
this
process
work?
Because
I
think
this
is
the
first
time
we've
maybe
had
a
discussion
like
this,
which
is
after
the
retreat.
We
really
try
and
settle
in
what
what's
the
year's
work
program
look
like
and
for
the
council
priorities.
L
That's
for
the
next
two
years,
and
then
you
know,
there's
always
a
little
bit
of
slack
that
we
try
and
try
and
program
into
the
the
work
plan.
I'll
be
honest,
we're
not
very
good
at
it.
We
if
anything
kind
of
over
commit
ourselves,
but
if
there's
something
that
comes
up
during
the
year
from
a
council
member
where
it
would
maybe
require
a
reshuffle
of
the
work
plan,
we
may
have
to
put
something
on
hold
to
be
able
to
now
put
this
onto
the
stack.
L
That's
where
we'll
come
to
council
and
have
a
conversation
in
what
what's
in
the
council
handbook
and
rules.
Is
this
concept
of
a
nod
of
five?
L
Essentially
five
council
members
nodding,
yes,
reshuffle
things
because
we
want
this
item
to
now
move
forward
and-
and
that's
really
what
the
request
is
here
today
is-
we
would
put
the
can
on
hold
for
a
few
months
at
the
baseline
work
to
be
able
to
now
put
this
program
in
and-
and
I
think
then,
to
your
your
broader
question,
which
is
how
do
I
compare
this
to
maybe
other
things
that
are
priorities
out
in
the
community?
L
I
think
that's
something
for
each
of
you
to
kind
of
consider
when
you're
evaluating
that
it's
a
little
hard,
obviously
outside
of
kind
of
a
budget
conversation
and
obviously
with
with
all
of
the
various
funds
that
the
city
has
certain
monies
can
only
be
used
for
certain
things,
but
I
think
that's
something
to
always
think
about,
especially
during
conversations
like
this.
So
that's
really
what's
what's
on
the
table
today,
isn't
necessarily
the
merits
or
the
details
of
what
an
e-bike
rebate
would
look
like
and
more
of?
L
Are
you
interested
and
are
you
willing
to
kind
of
make
that
trade-off
to
add
something
here
to
the
work
plan
and
I
think
natalie
has
kind
of
laid
out
what
what
that
would
mean
from
a
work
plan
standpoint?
Is
that
helpful.
V
B
I
V
Yeah
right,
it's
good
to
know
how
how
things
work.
Okay,
thank
you
then
I
I
am
going
to
kind
of
echo,
tara
and
rachel
and
just
feel
like
I.
I
don't
want
to
change
course
from
what
we
decided
just
a
few
months
ago,
especially
since
that
was
a
relatively
big
course,
and
I
just
want
to
mention
for
for
the
next
time.
This
comes
up
because
I
hear
you
know
folks
saying
that
there's
some
interest
in
it
as
well.
V
You
know
one
of
the
things
that
I
want
to
think
about
is
who's
benefiting
from
a
program
like
this.
Is
it
the
folks
who
kind
of
are
most
in
need
the
people
who
are
most
hurting
in
our
community?
Are
we
going
to
be?
V
You
know,
meeting
a
need
that
that
is
addressing
some
of
the
inequities
in
our
city
and
the
thing
that
I
think
about,
especially
with
a
program
like
this:
that's
a
rebate
right
right
now
we
had
the
announcement
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting
about
the
food
sales
tax
rebate,
which
is
there's
been
a
lot
of
outreach
kind
of
done.
There
are
still
a
lot
of
folks
living
in
lower
income
communities
that
have
still
not
heard
about
this
program
and
the
fact
that
the
deadline
is
nine
days
away.
V
So
you
know
how
do
we?
How
do
we
think
about
doing
the
outreach
and
engagement
for
a
program
like
this
to
make
sure
that
that
the
folks
who
are
most
in
need
will
have
some
benefit
from
it?
And
then
the
other
thing
that
lauren
mentioned
very
briefly
was
around
eco
passes,
and
you
know
thinking
about
driving
folks
to
using,
I
other
other
alternatives
right
that
they
may
take
to
driving
their
cars.
I
think
that's
something
that
I'd
be
really
interested
in
as
well
and
natalie.
V
I
know
you-
and
I
talked
about
this
at
one
point
as
well,
just
this
idea
of
kind
of
wallets
for
mobility
that
people
could
use
for
for
different
types
of
non-single
occupancy
vehicles
that
would
help
them
get
around.
Q
Thanks
aaron-
and
I
appreciate
all
of
my
colleagues
weighing
in
on
this-
and
you
know
it's
it's
interesting.
Having
lifted
this
up
for
conversation,
you
know
I
too
share
the
same
concern
as
tara
and
nicole
and
rachel
having
you
know,
shared
time
with
rachel
to
lift
up
can
a
few
months
ago.
The
last
thing
I'd
want
to
do
is
undercut.
You
know
a
programmed
child
of
mine
if
you
will
so
so.
So
that's
a
hard
place
to
be
in
to
want
to
see
success.
Q
Have
my
cake
and
eat
it
too,
but
but
I
will
say
that
you
know,
in
light
of
of
what
are
clearly
the
the
parameters
and
constraints
around
staff
trying
to
lift
up
a
pilot.
You
know
I
I
too
don't
want
to
see,
can
delayed
to
achieve
that.
Q
In
light
of
that,
though
it
it
does,
it
does
frustrate
me
a
bit
of
that
there's
a
gen
that
that
it
is
not
not
not
any
individual,
not
any
department
that
just
our
institution
as
a
whole
may
lack
the
agility,
be
needed
to
tackle
and
take
on
things
like
this
when
the
moment
is
what
needs
to
be
seized.
Q
The
conditions
are
right
for
it
now,
so
so
that's
maybe
something
reflective
we
think
about
in
our
process
and
and
what
we
are
as
an
institution
so
and
and
so
yeah
I
just
I
don't
want
to
see
it
delayed.
Q
So
yes,
I
lifted
it
up,
but
if
the
sacrifice
is
to
delay,
I
would
choose
not
to
do
that,
but
the
silver
lining
is
that-
and
I
give
natalie
a
lot
of
credit
here-
is
that
there's
a
lot
of
excitement
at
least
scenes
from
natalie
and
staff
to
to
think
about
this
program
and
not
just
transportation?
There
seems
to
be
excitement
from
climate
and
jonathan
cohen's
team
and
and
the
city
managers.
Q
There
seems
to
be
a
lot
of
excitement
that
this
program
could
be
good
for
our
community
in
the
long
run,
with
a
little
bit
more
runway
to
think
about
it
and
procure
it,
and
so
that
really
excites
me
that
a
tab
member
can
can
can
toss
this
idea
out.
There
can
be
a
little
bit
of
momentum,
and
here
we
might
have
a
program
that
comes
to
fruition
next
year.
That
could
really
benefit
our
community.
Q
So
I
don't
think
all
is
lost
because
we
didn't
get
a
pilot,
but
because
I
think
and
I'm
hopeful
that
2023
might
deliver
a
successful
program
for
our
community
that
might
last
a
long
time
and
benefit
our
community
for
years
to
come.
So
a
long
way
of
saying
yep
with
the
impact
and
stated
timing
of
september
that
that's
not
something
I'm
willing
to
support,
even
though
it
was
my
idea
to
bring
to
council
so
strange
way
to
bring
it
up
and
shoot
myself
down.
But
nonetheless,
here
we
are
so
thanks.
Natalie.
B
Q
If
that
makes
it
simpler,
I'm
happy
to
to
do
that
here
I
get
reading
I'm
reading
the
tea
leaves
pretty
well,
but
it
was
more
just
waiting
for
that
assessment
from
natalie
and
her
office,
and-
and
so
I
think
that
that
kind
of
makes
it
pretty
clear,
but
I'm
excited
to
see
what
we
have
in
2023.
B
Very
good,
so
I'll
call
and
mark
and
I'll
say,
just
a
couple:
quick
words.
U
Is
there
any
kind
of
lower
level
inquiry
that
we
can
make
that
will
not
impact
the
work
plan
that
might
move
us
a
little
bit
forward
on
this,
maybe
clearly
clear
some
of
the
underbrush
out
and
and
be
in
a
better
position
when
we
do
have
the
opportunity
to
look
at
it
in
a
in
a
more
substantive
way,
or
is
that
simply
not
not
available
to
us.
Z
So
if
I
think,
if
I
understand
your
question
correctly
so
we'll
be
over
the
next,
you
know
several
months
just
as
part
of
our
normal
work
program.
When
we
look
at
grant
opportunities,
there's
a
grant
opportunity
that
will
be
coming
available
later
this
year.
That's
competitive
and
our
staff
will
be
paying
attention
to
that
and
we'll
be
looking
at
that
opportunity
to
go
after
funding
that
could
lead
to
an
eventual
program
in
the
future.
I
don't
know
if
that
answers
your
question.
U
No,
it
does.
I
mean
it's
just
sort
of
making
some
substantive
progress
on
the
issue,
even
if
we're
not
getting
an
out
of
five
today
to
move
it
forward
because
it
you
know
they're
there.
I
sense
that
there's
interest
in
the
substance
of
the
program,
but
not
the
timing
of
the
program.
S
B
Thanks
so
much
for
for
raising
this
up,
because
I
think
a
program
like
this
would
be
really
beneficial
to
the
community
and
I
love
how
community
cycles
and
their
their
last
program.
They
did
with
separate
funding,
really
measured
the
impact
of
the
program.
So
I'd
love
to
see
something
like
that.
So
natalie
really
thrilled
to
see
you're,
considering
this
for
2023
that
grant
program
sounds
really
promising
and
then
hopefully,
we'll
also
have
an
extension
of
the
cap
tax
that
I
would
say
we.
B
E
Matt,
well,
I'm
just
reminding
people
that
there
is
a
labor
shortage
and
we
don't
know
when
it's
going
to
change
and
we
also
love
natalie.
So
I'm
hoping
that
we
as
a
city
council
could
be
flexible
about
our
most
beloved
programs
as
well,
because
between
the
supply
chain,
the
labor
shortage
and
inflation.
We
really
don't
know
when
everything
is
going
to
turn
around,
so
I'm
hoping
for
flexibility
on
our
part
in
terms
of
what
year,
even
though
you
know,
I
think
it's
a
great
idea.
Q
Very
good
man,
I
just
it
it's
just
more
of
a
general
thanks
and
gratitude,
as
I've
said
to
natalie
and
her
team,
but
also
the
community
cycles,
and
to
to
the
members
of
tad
and
tab
and
ryan
shoeshard,
and
just
how
this
all
came
together
and
people
quickly
trying
to
find
the
best
way
to
make
it
work.
And
so,
even
though
it's
not
going
to
happen
in
short
order
it
just.
Q
I
want
to
commend
the
the
collaborative
nature
which
everyone
brought
ideas
to
together,
to
try
to
figure
out
a
way
to
make
this
work,
and
sometimes
they
don't
in
people's
best
intent,
and
in
this
case
it
didn't
and
that's
okay,
but
I
think
something
greater
may
come
out
of
it
on
the
back
end.
But
I
just
want
to
make
sure
good.
Thanks
is
given
to
community
cycles
and
sue
and
folks
there
and
ryan
over
at
tab
and
a
bunch
of
his
colleagues
so
and
then,
of
course,
right
back
to
you,
natalie
and
your
team.
B
Absolutely
yeah
thanks
natalie,
okay!
Well,
I
think
that
brings
us
to
close
on
this
item.
We
have
one
more
matter
about
the
ballot
measures
and
teresa
should
I
hand
this
over
to
you.
D
Sure
mayor,
I
have
kathy
haddock
on
with
us
and
what
we
wanted
to
do
was
have
a
quick
process
conversation
to
talk
about
whether
we
want
to
separate
out
the
items
that
are
for
even
your
voting
from
the
other
process
changes
and
I'll.
Let
kathy
get
into
the
details
of
that.
X
Thank
you
theresa
and
I'm
kathy
havoc
in
the
attorney's
office
and
right
now
we
have
three
ballot
questions
that
deal
with
the
issues
related
to
council
members
and
the
even
year
election.
X
We
first
put
in
a
separate
ordinance
about
the
swearing-in
date
being
in
december
rather
than
in
november,
in
one
ordinance
and
then
in
the
second
ordinance
deals
with
the
the
even
year
election
and
then
the
third
one
deals
with
the
extending
I'm
sorry,
I'm
looking
at
the
wrong
list
that
you
can't
run
for
any
more
one,
I'm
sorry
more
than
one
office
at
an
election,
but
a
council
member
whose
term
doesn't
expire
can
apply
for
mayor.
X
So
there's
the
three
different
concepts
that
are
all
in
the
same
part
of
the
charter
and
nicole's
suggestion
on
hot
line.
As
I
understand
it,
and
obviously
she
can
speak
to
it,
but
is
to
separate
all
the
things
related
to
changing
elections
to
even
year
to
one
ballot,
question
and
everything
else
to
a
separate
ballot
question,
and
that
is
something
that
we
can
do.
I
think
what
we'd
really
like
to
get
out
of
this.
X
Hopefully,
a
quick
discussion,
not
asking
you
to
go
into
any
substance,
is
what
it
is
you'd
like
to
see
on
july
21st,
when
we've
moved
the
first
reading
things
to
and
some
of
those
things.
Hopefully
you
can.
Let
us
know
tonight
about
how
you
want
those
divided
up,
there's
a
couple
of
other
things
that
we
think
you'll
have
to.
Let
us
know
later,
but
first,
if
you
want
to
talk
about
the
first
one,
first
nicole's
suggestion
I'll
be
quiet,
so
you
can.
X
Are
all
of
you
were
looking
for
direction
on
how
you
would
like
to
see
the
ballot
questions
come
to
you
with
respect
to
those
that
aren't
for
even
your
election
changes
and
those
that
have
to
do
more
cleanup
type
things
they're
both
in
the
same
part
of
the
charter,
is
why
they're
mixed
differently
than
I
think,
nicole
was
thinking
would
be
ideal.
V
Thanks
kathy
for
that,
the
quick
overview,
and
just
to
give
you
all
the
background
on
where
my
hotline
questions
were
coming
from
what
I
was
concerned
about
is
what
happens
if
voters
don't
want
even
your
elections
right,
they
don't
want
to
do
that.
Switch
then.
Does
all
the
cleanup
stuff
go
down
with
it.
So
that's
always
thinking
it
would
be
helpful
to
have
them
as
two
separate
issues
so
that
voters
can
hopefully
approve
some
of
the
needed,
cleanup
stuff
and
then
decide
what
they
want
to
do
about.
Even
your
elections.
Q
Thanks
aaron-
and
I
appreciate
you
bringing
this
up
nicole
helpful
to
have-
I
think
this
conversation
you
know
I
would
absolutely
agree.
The
cleanup
language
needs
to
be
absolutely
separated,
certainly
because
some
of
this
cleanup
actually
impacts
the
direct
election
of
the
mayor
with
rcv.
Q
So
if
this,
if
this
were
to
go
down,
we
wouldn't
we
would
lose
the
cleanup,
that's
needed
for
something
that's
already
law,
so
so
I
think
we
have
to
separate
them
almost
intrinsically
so
for
for
that
nature.
So
I
think
that
that's
a
helpful
piece
to
definitely
do
and
then
certainly
you
know
the
going
to
even
year
in
concept
is
actually
rather
simple.
It's
the
mechanics
that
we've
chosen
that
make
it
a
little
more
complicated,
so
the
ballot
measure
itself.
Q
We
need
to
think
about
as
being
as
precise
and
concise
as
possible
and
so
stripping
out
anything
that's
extemporaneous
and
not
solely
focused
on
that
issue
at
hand.
To
me,
I
think,
can
only
add
confusion
and
we
know
how
reading
ballot
measures
are.
It
tends
to
not
be
layman.
It
tends
to
be
legal
speak
for
those
of
us
that
aren't
attorneys.
It
can
be
a
tough
time
to
wade
through
them
so
that
that's
sort
of
my
direction
is
to
really
parse
them
out.
U
Yeah,
I
would
agree
with
that.
I
I
think
that
the
cleanup
is
necessary
clarifying
that
you
can
only
run
for
one
office
unless
you
have
a
term
that
that
has
not
expired
is
is
not
necessarily
tied
into
whether
we
go
to
evening
year
or
not,
and
so
that
should
be
separate
and
apart,
going
to
even
year,
is
its
own
subject
and
should
be
a
separate
ballot
measure.
So
I
would,
I
would
separate
the
evening
year
question
from
clean
up
questions,
and
you
know
I
I
would.
U
I
would
keep
them
segregated
and
have
separate
resolutions
for
for
each
of
them
actually.
F
Bomb
yeah,
I
I
agree
also.
I
I
think
the
even
your
election
is
a
as
a
whole
there's
a
whole
package
in
itself,
which
does
have
multiple
parts
and
I
think
that
needs
to
stand
on
its
own.
It
may
or
may
not
pass.
I
think,
there's
there's
two
other
questions.
One
truly
is
clean
up
and
then
one
is
a
relatively
minor
point.
So
I
guess
I'm
agnostic
about
whether
the
clean
up
in
the
minor
point
are
combined
or
they're
or
it's
a
third
ballot
measure.
F
It
doesn't
really
matter
because
I
think
it
would
pass
anyway
and
that's
just
the
deferral
of
swearing
in
until
december.
I'm
not
sure
that
that's
gonna
be
too
controversial.
So
if,
if
people
want
to
combine
that
with
with
the
cleanup,
that's
perfectly
fine
or
if
they
want
three
ballot
measures,
that's
perfectly
fine
too.
I
did
have
a
question,
however,
for
the
lawyers
there
were.
There
were
two
issues
back
when
matt
and
I,
and
so
that
others
were
working
on
the
direct
election
mayor
back
in
2020.
F
There
were
two
issues
that
we
wanted
to
make
sure
were
captured
and
one,
I
think,
was
captured
back
in
2020
and
one
wasn't
and
that's
the
origin
of
the
cleanup,
the
one
that
wasn't
was
this.
This
point
about
a
person
can't
run
for
mayor
and
council
seat
at
the
same
time,
so
that
truly
is
clean
up.
That
was
just
a
miss,
quite
frankly
from
2020.
one
thing
that
I
do
think
that
was
gotten
correctly
and
I'm
so
I'm
puzzled.
F
Why
we're
putting
it
back
in
again
is
in
I'm
looking
in
the
draft
language
trees
that
you
sent
out
under
section
five.
That
says,
if
a
council
member,
whose
term
is
not
ending
the
november
of
the
election,
wins
election
to
office
of
mayor,
then
council
candidate,
receiving
the
fifth
highest
vote
that
same
election
shall
complete
the
council
member's
term.
That's
logical,
I
think
that's
already.
J
F
X
It's
actually
just
relocated
in
in
five
to
put
all
of
those
types
of
issues
together,
because
it
kind
of
went
back
and
forth
as
you
go
through
charter
section,
five,
so
you're
absolutely
right.
It
was
already
in
there
it's
just
being
moved
so.
X
F
B
Thanks
that
bob,
so
where
it
seems
like
we're
coming
to
consensus,
I
agree
with
what's
been
said.
So
does
anyone
object
to
separating
them
out
into
two
bout
measures,
the
cleanup
measure
and
even
your
election
measure?
B
No,
nobody
objects,
okay,
very
good,
and
then
are
people
okay
with
combining
the
two
kind
of
cleanup
things:
the
swearing-in
date
change
and
the
and
the
other
one
about
the
mayoral
election
are
people.
Okay.
With
that
all
right,
I'm
seeing
generally
thumbs
up
no
thumbs
down
so
very
good.
B
It
sounds
like
direction
is
to
go
for
one
cleanup
that
includes
both
of
them
they're
a
little
different
from
each
other,
but
I
think
they're
both
really
clean
up
things
and
then
the
other
one
for
even
your
elections,
very
good,
kathy
traces
that
give
you
what
you
need
to
put
together
things
for
next
month.
X
X
Also
the
the
way
that
I
wrote
the
ballot
language.
It
would
extend
the
mayor's
term
for
another
year,
just
because
we
put
the
the
same
language
that
was
in
the
charter
before,
but
that
wasn't.
That
was
a
specific
direction
from
you
guys,
so
there's
different
direction
that
you
want,
or
you
want
to
do
some
different
selection
of
the
mayor
part
from
2023
to
2026.
X
However,
you
would
do
it
for
that
time
period.
You
need
to
know
that
and
then
some
other
council
members
have
mentioned
that
there's
other
language
that
they
wanted.
So,
ideally,
if
you
could
get
that
to
us
by
july
8th,
we
would
have
time
to
present
options
to
you
in
the
packet
next
time,
so
that
we're
not
doing
too
much
drafting.
B
Very
good
so
I'll
just
say
on
the
mayor
question:
I'm
I'm
happy
with
the
will
of
counsel
regardless,
I
feel
like.
I
should
recuse
myself
from
the
discussion
since
I'm
the
currently
sitting
mayor,
but
first
I'll
just
do
a
thing.
Do
we
want
to
talk
about
that
tonight
or
do
we
want
to
identify
it
as
a
topic
to
discuss
at
the
next
meeting
in
in
july?
Q
Yeah,
I
mean
it
makes
total
sense
to
have
the
mayor
included
in
that,
because
the
language
already
in
the
charter
for
the
direct
election
of
the
mayor
already
states
the
mayoral
term
being
two
years.
So
by
only
doing
an
extension
here,
we
don't
have
to
mess
up
what
the
term
is.
It's
just
it
gets.
An
extension
puts
us
on
cycle
and
then
the
term
as
it's
currently
defined
in
the
charter
just
carries
on
from
there,
so
so
from
a
simplistic
manner.
Q
We
get
to
then,
because
it's
already
in
the
charter
that
it's
a
two-year
term.
So
if
we
just
extend,
we
can
get
on
cycle
the
easiest
way
that
way
versus
having
to
do
a
bunch
of
other
steps
of
changing
the
term.
So
I
I
agree
that
that
is
this
from
what
kathy
was
saying.
It's
the
simplest
way
to
achieve
the
outcome
of
bringing
the
mayor
along
with
council
to
get
on
cycle.
V
Yes,
I
just
I
appreciate
the
comment
that
I
was
going
to
advocate
for
waiting
until
our
next
meeting
to
talk
about
it,
just
because
this
is
something
that's
relatively
new
for
me.
I
like
having
a
little
bit
of
time
to
think
about
things.
I
personally
would
prefer
a
later
conversation,
knowing
that
this
is
a
question
that
we're
going
to
be
addressing.
P
Not
an
objection
just
that
it
would
be
nice
to
hear
from
the
community
as
well
like
we're
all
just
thinking
about
it
for
the
first
time,
and
I
think
that
another
pretty
simple
option
is
just
we
have
a
one-year
mayor
vote
internally,
like
we
always
do
so.
I
think
that
that
is
an
option,
and
I
want
to
put
that
on
the
table.
If
community
members
are
weighing
in.
B
Very
good:
okay
are
people
comfortable
with
waiting
to
have
the
discussion
until
next
month,
understanding
that
there
is
a
conversation
we
had?
Okay,
I'm
seeing
thumbs
up
or
shaking
it.
So
that's
good
and
then
a
point
taken
from
kathy
about
if
you're
thinking
about
any
other
kinds
of
language
changes
or
subject,
changes
to
please
submit
those
in
advance
so
that
we're
doing
the
least
amount
of
editing
on
the
fly
possible.
B
I
think
that's
we're
actually
running
an
hour
and
50
minutes
ahead
of
schedule.
So
I'm
very
grateful
to
everyone
for
an
efficient
meeting
and
discussion
has
been
some
great
discussions
tonight
and
quick.