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We're
here
for
the
Boulder
City
Council
study
session,
Sherry
I'll
restate
the
date
because
now
we're
being
recorded,
today's
Thursday
May
11th
2023.
good
evening
Welcome
to
our
study
session
of
the
Boulder
City
Council,
I'm
council
member
Rachel
friend,
we'll
be
leading
the
study
session
and
I.
Thank
you
for
joining
us
tonight.
We
have
two
items:
Financial
update
for
the
city
of
Boulder
and
potential
ballot
measures.
B
It
looks
like
we
have
no
announcements,
but
somebody
please
flag
me
if
I
have
that
wrong,
so
we'll
get
right
to
it
and
just
a
reminder
to
colleagues
for
each
item.
Please
hold
your
questions
until
the
end
of
the
presentations
so
like
for
the
CU
presentation.
We
can
ask
questions
at
the
end
of
theirs
and
with
that
I
will
turn
it
over
to
our
city
manager,
Nuria
Rivera
vandermeid,
to
take
us
into
the
financial
update.
C
Thank
you
so
much
councilmember
and
we
have
a
very
full,
mostly
Finance,
focused
agenda
today
with
some
ballot
issues
intermix,
so
I'm
going
to
stop
talking
and
go
straight
to
the
people
that
know
it
best
and
have
the
expertise
and
I
will
send
it
over
to
Cara.
D
Thank
you
very
much
good
evening.
Council
Carl,
Skinner,
Chief
Financial
Officer
pleased
to
be
here
tonight
for
the
financial
update
and
budget
Outlook
as
Mark
is
bringing
up
the
presentation
here.
We
do
this
every
spring
and
and
we're
happy
to
go
over
this
with
you
all
tonight.
You
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
so
this
is
our
agenda
for
tonight
and
first
we're
going
to
start
off
with
our
partners
from
CU.
D
We've
been
partnering
with
Brian,
rich
and
Robert
for
three
years
now,
and
we've
really
appreciated
their
advice,
good
analytics
and
then
they're
modeling
for
our
sales
tax.
So
we'll
look
forward
to
their
presentation
at
the
end
of
their
presentation,
we'll
do
a
quick,
Queen
question
and
answer
so
that
you
can
ask
Brian
and
Robert
is
also
here
tonight,
questions
if
you
have
them
and
then
we
will
shift
over
to
the
staff
presentation
for
items
two
through
four
on
our
agenda.
D
So
with
that
I'm
going
to
invite
Brian
Lewandowski
to
kick
us
off
right,
I
believe
there
he
is
yes.
E
All
right
so
thanks
everyone
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
you
tonight.
I
am
Brian
Lewandowski
and
I'm
joined
by
my
colleague,
Dr
Robert,
mcnown
who's.
Our
expert
econometrician
Rich
wabakin,
couldn't
be
here
tonight
because,
as
you're
probably
aware,
we
have
commencement
and
the
business
school
has
our
Ceremony
this
evening.
So
he's
engaged
in
those
activities
so
I'm
going
to
provide
a
very
brief
update
about
the
current
economic
conditions
and
then
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
the
local
sales
and
use
tax
forecasts
that
we
generate.
E
So
please
Advance
this
slide.
So
kick
this
off
I
like
to
take
a
look
at
a
snapshot
of
economic
indicators
nationally
that
are
a
sort
of
barometer
of
the
overall
economy
and
really
not.
Coincidentally,
these
are
the
many
of
the
same
metrics
that
the
National
Bureau
of
economic
research
looks
at
when
identifying
turning
points
within
the
economy.
So
you
you
may
recall
a
year
ago
when
we
were
talking
about
the
two
consecutive
quarters
of
negative
GDP
growth
that
the
U.S
measured
and
many
people
were
saying.
E
Well,
aren't
we
in
a
recession
right
now
and
when,
when
I
pulled
up
this
very
same
slide,
these
these
indicators
were
all
moving
in
a
a
growth
position.
Most
of
these
indicators
were
green
with
a
couple
of
red
ones
on
on
the
screen,
especially
in
terms
of
GDP
and
now
we're
in
this
period
where
we
have
growing
GDP,
but
many
of
the
indicators
are
actually
signaling
a
Slowdown,
and
so
this
is
what
I'm
going
to
talk
about
for
a
few
minutes.
One
exception
there,
of
course,
is
employment.
E
So
next
slide,
please
so
the
the
U.S
GDP
you
can
see
the
profound
impact
that
the
pandemic
had
on
the
economy.
You
can
see
that
wedge,
that
was
taken
out
of
gross
domestic
product
and
and
remember
that
gross
domestic
product
is
is
really
one
of
the
broadest
measures
of
economic
activity
within
our
economy.
It
measures
the
sale
of
goods
and
services
within
the
economy,
and
we
look
at
real
GDP
because
it
removes
inflation.
E
It's
somewhat
subtle,
but
you
can
see
those
two
negative
quarters
of
GDP
growth
that
were
Then,
followed
by
pretty
strong
growth
in
the
second
half
of
2022
and
that
second
half
of
the
year
really
eclipsed
what
happened
in
the
first
half
and
we
ended
up
having
about
2.1
percent
GDP
growth
for
the
year,
which
is
is
sort
of
interesting
to
look
at
over
the
last
23
years.
It's
a
little
bit
above
average.
So
first
quarter
data
was
released
about
two
weeks
ago
and
it
was
somewhat
of
a
disappointment.
E
E
We
saw
a
growth
in
government
spending,
we
saw
net
exports
actually
improve,
so
both
exports
and
imports
grew,
but
exports
actually
grew
a
little
bit
faster
and
then
the
the
real
headwind
came
in
terms
of
of
investment,
and
we
recorded
the
eighth
consecutive
quarter
of
negative,
fixed
investment
in
residential,
not
a
big
surprise
and
the
current
housing
situation
that
we're
in
with
higher
interest
rates,
and
we
also
saw
a
turn
into
inventories.
Those
were
really
the
the
two
most
negative
components
in
this
GDP
report.
E
Nonetheless,
the
year
is
expected
to
sort
of
progress
at
a
soft
pace
and
by
the
end
of
the
year
we
think
it'll
be
pretty
slow
growth.
The
consensus
is
for
just
over
one
percent
growth
for
the
full
year
and
there's
a
lot
of
narrative
right
now
about
whether
we'll
be
in
a
recession
by
the
end
of
the
year
or
not,
and
so
we're
we're
watching
the
consumption
piece,
especially
closely
Mark.
E
If
you
can
please
Advance
the
slide
one
and
and
I
I
think
my
my
own,
you
know
sort
of
personal
belief
is
that
so
much
of
this
rests
on
what
happens
with
consumption.
E
So
we
know
that
consumption
is
about
70
percent
of
economic
growth
in
the
country.
We
just
had
a
good
first
quarter,
but
we
also
know
that
there's
a
lot
of
headwinds
that
consumers
are
facing
right
now,
if
it's
negative
real
wage
growth.
If
it's
depleted
savings,
we
see
a
decrease
in
the
savings
rates
in
general
at
a
lower
Pace
compared
to
the
historical
average.
We
see
consumers
taking
on
more
debt
and
paying
higher
interest
on
that
debt,
and-
and
so
there's
sort
of
this
question
of
how?
E
How
long
can
the
consumer
sustain
consumption?
How
long
can
that
be
wind
in
the
the
economic
sales
of
the
US,
with
all
of
these
factors
at
Play
and
I
think
one
wild
card?
There
is
this
pace
of
hiring
that
we've
observed
nationally.
E
We,
you
can
see
again
the
recession,
the
bite
that
it
took
out
of
jobs
in
this
country
and
then
the
rebound
we're
up
over
three
million
jobs
from
the
pre-recession
peak,
2.2
percent,
above
where
we
were,
and
this
year
we've
added
jobs
at
a
pace
of
about
285
000
per
month
for
the
first
four
months
of
the
year,
and
we
added
about
a
quarter
million
jobs
in
the
month
of
April
alone,
so
think
about
an
average
wage
nationally
of
67
000
per
job
times,
a
quarter
million
jobs
and
that's
just
billions
and
billions
of
additional
potential
consumption
within
the
economy.
E
So,
in
my
mind,
so
much
of
this,
the
the
pace
of
growth
over
the
the
next
eight
months
will
depend
on
the
pace
of
hiring
and
so
it.
In
my
mind,
this
is
what
sort
of
Keeps
Us
between
a
slow
growth
environment
or
a
soft
recession
environment
next
slide,
please,
and-
and
so
there's
sort
of
this
this
this.
This
confounding
effect
right
now
in
the
economy,
where
we
we
have
all
of
this,
this
job
growth.
E
We
have
continued
a
high
rate
of
job
openings
and
a
really
low
rate
of
unemployment,
and
when
we
take
a
look
at
that
ratio
nationally
of
the
number
of
job
openings
per
every
person-
who's
unemployed,
that
ratio
is
1.6
to
1,
so
1.6
job
openings
for
every
unemployed
person
which
oversimplifies
it
because
we
know
matching
people
to
jobs
at
wage
rates
and
locations
is,
is
very
complex.
But
but
that
illustrates
the
the
job
shortage
and
when
we
take
a
look
at
Colorado,
it's
even
a
little
bit
more
pronounced.
E
It's
2.4
job
openings
for
every
unemployed
person
and
Colorado
is
one
of
only
nine
states
that
recorded
an
increase
in
job
openings.
Last
month,
Most
states
recorded
a
decrease
in
job
openings,
and
then
we
think
about
the
multi-jobholders
nationally
and
and
that
number
went
down
over
the
last
couple
couple
of
months,
which,
if
even
makes
this
worker
shortage
problem
more
pronounced
it.
It
extends
it.
It's
not
helping
us
close.
The
gap
next
slide,
please
another
point
of
good
news,
along
with
hiring
we're,
also
seeing
an
improvement
in
inflation.
E
So
it's
pretty
clear
that
the
the
rate
of
inflation
peaked
last
summer
and
across
a
broad
swath
of
geographies,
nationally
we're
seeing
a
consistent
downward
Trend
in
prices,
and
so
up
here
you
can
see
the
mountain
states.
You
can
see
the
U.S
and
you
can
also
see
the
Denver
metro
region
and
we
we
just
got
new
National
Data
yesterday
and
the
the
national
inflation
rate
fell
for
the
10th
consecutive
month,
so
increasing
at
a
decreasing
Pace
4.9
percent
nationally
for
the
the
Top
Line
number,
the
Denver
metro
region.
E
We
only
get
every
other
month
so
back
in
March
or
just
you
know.
One
month
ago
the
Denver
metro
region
was
at
5.7
percent,
so
this
downward
pressure
on
prices
is
is
certainly
helping.
What's
interesting
is
when
we
take
a
look
a
little
bit
Upstream
in
that
whole
supply
chain.
The
producer
price
index
has
come
down
even
more
so
the
the
the
the
final
demand
PPI
was
just
released
this
morning
and
it
was
down
to
2.4
year
over
year.
E
Also,
the
10th
consecutive
month
of
a
slowing
price
growth
in
in
in
products
and
the
other
thing
I
would
note
here-
is
the
construction
components
of
PPI,
which
excludes
the
labor
piece
was
negative
year
over
year
for
the
last
couple
of
months.
E
Next
slide,
please
so
for
for
those
of
you
who
have
heard
me
speak
before
you,
you
probably
know
that
I'm,
a
big
fan
of
benchmarking,
I
like
to
Benchmark
Colorado
against
itself
over
time
and
also
against
all
the
other
states
nationally,
and
so
here's
what
you're,
seeing
as
a
is
Colorado's
rank
among
the
50
states.
So
in
some
of
these
metrics
you
can
see
We're
still
ranking
pretty
highly
in
terms
of
real
GDP
growth.
We
were
eight
year
over
year
in
the
fourth
quarter
of
2022,
but
for
employment
growth.
E
This
is
sort
of
sort
of
a
shocking
number.
We
slowed
to
49th
best
in
the
country.
Second,
worst
we're
just
ahead
of
West
Virginia
in
terms
of
job
growth
and
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
this
number
in
a
moment.
E
But
this
is
a
story
that
I
have
really
never
told
in
my
in
my
time
here
at
the
University
of
Colorado,
that
that
we've
been
a
bottom
10
State
and
in
terms
of
job
growth,
personal
income,
we're
still,
we
still
rank
Korean
high
in
terms
of
personal
income,
growth,
We're,
still
ranking,
really
high
labor
force
participation.
We
actually
have
the
fourth
highest
labor
force
participation
rate
in
the
country.
So
it's
certainly
not
all
bad
news,
but
I
think
the
employment
piece
locally
is
is
something
for
us
to
watch
next
slide.
E
Please
and
and-
and
so
this
is
just
giving
you
a
little
bit
more
detail
on
the
employment
situation
so
on
the
left.
The
black
line
is
showing
you
Colorado
Statewide
job
growth,
total
number
of
jobs
and
our
our
state
labor
office
is
just
an
invaluable
service
to
us.
Most
states
don't
do
this,
but
our
state
office
publishes
what
they
call
expected
revisions
to
employment
and-
and
they
came
out
with
a
report
about
three
weeks
ago.
E
That
said,
we
think
that
employment
has
been
a
little
bit
under
counted
by
about
17
000
jobs
per
month
over
the
last
few
months.
So
that's
good
news:
it
certainly
improves
this
narrative,
but
when
I
add
the
17
000
jobs
that
moves
us
from
being
49th
in
the
country
to
39th
in
the
country,
so
it
doesn't
put
us
back
in
the
top
10
or
top
20..
It
just
makes
it
a
little
less
bad
than
what
we're
looking
at
right
now.
E
They
also
provide
revisions
to
Boulder
counties
or
the
boulder
Metropolitan
statistical
area
and
and
unfortunately,
the
boulder
MSA
didn't
really
get
a
bump
from
those
revisions.
In
fact,
they
estimate
that
Boulder,
maybe
was
overestimated
a
little
bit
by
about
700
jobs
or
so
the
pace
of
growth
in
Boulder
County
is
still
outpacing
the
state
when
it
comes
to
year-over-year
growth.
Next
slide,
please.
E
So
this
is
digging
in
a
little
bit
more
into
the
details
for
Boulder
County's
employment,
and
this
is
the
the
most
granular
data
that
has
that's
reported
at
a
local
level
on
a
monthly
basis.
So
that's
why
I'm
looking
at
Boulder
County
and
not
the
city
of
Boulder,
but
you
can
see
the
largest
Industries
like
professional
and
business
services.
This
is
this
includes
our
high-tech
Industries.
You
know
software
development,
research
and
development
architecture,
design,
work,
and
this
tends
to
be
a
high
skill.
E
But
you
can
see
it
looks
like
we're
missing
a
bar
in
the
jobs
added
year
over
year
and
in
the
percent
change,
and
it's
just
that
this
number
was
flat.
So
I
think
this
is
something
for
us
to
keep
an
eye
on.
It's
a
little
bit
of
a
concern
to
see
this
flattening.
E
If
you
scroll
down,
you
can
see
the
information
sector
third
from
the
bottom.
This
also
includes
a
lot
of
our
high-tech
companies.
Some
of
these
are
companies
that
have
made
headline
news
where
some
job
losses
nationally
we've
seen
a
little
bit
of
a
pullback
in
Boulder
and
then
Financial
activities
is
a
sector.
That's
certainly
at
the
Forefront
of
of
a
few
crises,
including
interest
rate
increases
and
decreasing
deposits.
This
is
a
sector
where
we've
seen
some
job
losses
as
of
late
next
slide.
E
Please
so
now,
I'm
going
to
move
on
to
to
the
topic
at
hand.
It's
really
taking
a
look
at
sales
and
use
taxes,
so
I'm
going
to
provide
a
little
bit
of
a
narrative
about
what
we're
seeing
nationally
and
relate
that
to
the
local
economy.
E
So
what
we
have
plotted
here
is
national
retail
sales,
and
then
we
have
Colorado
sales
taxes
plotted
in
the
gold
bar
and
I
I.
Put
these
two
together
to
really
illustrate
how
these
two
move
in
tandem,
so
the
the
the
the
Peaks
and
the
troughs
the
the
turns
in
this
series
really
follow
each
other.
So
Colorado
is
not
decoupled
from
what
happens
nationally,
but
you
can
also
pick
up
subtly
there
that
Colorado
has
been
sort
of
outpacing
the
nation
in
terms
of
growth.
E
So
we
we
get
information
about
the
national
retail
sales,
pretty
timely,
where
we
can
take
a
look
at
March
data
right
now
and-
and
so
that's
a
good
leading
indicator
for
us
to
watch
as
far
as
what
to
expect
respect
the
nationally
retail
sales
grew.
2.9
percent
Colorado
by
the
last
measure,
was
up
a
little
over
six
percent.
Remember,
2.9
percent
is
below
the
rate
of
inflation,
so
that's
really
talking
about
negative
real
retail
sales
growth
and
on
a
month-over-month
basis.
E
We've
seen
a
decline
in
about
three
of
the
last
four
months
or
so
when
we
take
a
look
at
the
details,
we're
seeing
softer
growth
or
even
negative
growth
in
some
of
our
Goods
producing
sectors
where
Services
continue
to
outperform
next
slide
and
and
so
I
I
like
to
Benchmark
again
communities
around
Colorado
and
and
one
way
of
doing
this,
because
every
local
community
has
a
different
tax
base,
different
different
Goods
that
they're
taxing,
maybe
some
tax,
groceries
and
other
stone
for
some
software
and
others
don't.
E
So
we
can
take
a
look
at
the
state's
collection
of
sales
taxes
across
all
of
the
jurisdictions,
and
so
that
provides
a
nice
Apples
to
Apples
comparison
across
all
of
Colorado
cities
and
counties.
And
so
what
I've
pulled
here
is
the
the
30
largest
city
collections
that
the
state
has
grabbed
in
2022
and
then
I
pulled
data
in
early
2023.
I
think
this
is
actually
showing
January
and
February.
E
Now
that's
mislabeled
at
the
top,
and
so
what
we
see
here
is
the
state
overall
average
was
of
5.8
percent
for
the
first
two
months
of
the
year
year
over
year,
and
then
you
can
see.
Boulder
came
in
just
a
little
bit
low
that
average
and
then,
as
some
of
the
faster
growth,
was
in
Commerce,
City,
Thornton
and
Vail,
and
then
Wheat
Ridge
was
a
community
that
actually
recorded
a
decline
year
over
year.
E
Next
slide,
please
so
we
we
take
so
much
of
this
data
into
consideration
when
creating
the
boulder
sales
tax
revenue
model.
Really.
What
we're
doing
here
is
taking
a
lot
of
National
Data
and
we
look
at
how
Boulder's
economy
and
the
Colorado
economy
perform
in
relation
to
those
National
variables
and
we
have
a
forecast
from
Moody's
Analytics.
E
That
provides
a
a
baseline
expectation
for
where
we
expect
the
economy
to
go
and
and
then
we
we
model
out
what
that
means
for
the
city
of
Boulder
in
terms
of
sales
and
use
taxes
next
slide,
please,
and
and
and
we
we've
really
transitioned
to
a
model
where
we
disaggregate
Boulders
sales
and
use
taxes.
E
So
there's
there's
about
nine
or
so
individual
revenue
streams
that
we
look
at
and
we
model
those
out
individually
and
then
we
sum
them
up
to
come
with
to
come
up
with
the
the
sales
tax
forecast
and
the
use
tax
forecast.
E
And
then
we
look
at
the
the
confidence
bounds.
So
we
take
a
look
at
the
the
high
forecast
and
the
low
forecast
around
that
Medium
expectation
and
then.
E
Scenarios
that
Moody's
provides
one
that's
a
little
bit
more
optimistic
but
says
the
economy
will
perform
a
little
bit
better
under
the
scenario
and
one
that's
a
little
bit
more
pessimistic.
So
we
provide
City
staff
with
a
wide
range
of
expectations
and
and
we
we
provide
an
annual
forecast
out
through
2028,
and
we
also
provide
a
quarterly
forecast
out
through
that
Horizon.
So
we
see
a
lot
of
detail
in
the
quarterly
one.
E
We
we
measure
a
lot
of
seasonality
because
of
just
when,
when
sales
occur
within
the
city
of
Boulder.
Okay,
next
slide,
please
I'm
almost
done
here.
So
you
know
when,
when
we're
thinking
about
the
economic
forecast
and
choosing
what
we
think
is
the
most
likely
pathway
for
the
economy,
we
think
about
what
could
possibly
be
the
wind
in
our
sales.
E
What's
the
Tailwind
for
the
national
economy
and
the
local
economy
and
then
what's
really
providing
concerning
headwinds
and
I'll,
tell
you
over
the
the
last
six
months
the
the
red
bubble
here
has
filled
up.
It
used
to
be
a
little
bit
more
balanced,
but
I.
Think
it's
really
reflecting
that
there
are
more
concerns
that
we're
watching.
Right.
E
Now
than
there
are
Tailwinds
and
I'm
going
to
just
talk
about
three
briefly,
I
think
one
major
headwind
is
financial
and
there's
there's
sub-components
to
this,
where
I
think
that
the
debt
ceiling
debate
that's
happening
right
now
is
really
concerning
and
I
can't
even
say
exactly
what
will
happen
if
we
past
that
deadline,
because
we
we
haven't
really
been
in
this
situation
before
to
any
real
degree.
E
You
know
what
happens
with
our
credit
rating.
If
that
happens,
what
happens
with
interest
rates,
what
happens
with
with
retirement
if
we
actually
reach
that
debt
ceiling,
but
also
in
the
financial
category,
is
what's
going
on
with
banks
right
now,
we've
seen
a
handful
of
banks
fail
and
we've
seen
over
a
trillion
dollars,
get
sucked
out
of
Banks
and
the
term
in
it
with
regards
to
deposits,
so
a
trillion
dollars
outflow.
E
So
even
if
those
Banks
aren't
domiciled
in
Colorado,
we've
surely
seen
an
outflow
of
deposits,
and
that
has
implications
for
banks
and
and
having
to
raise
funds
at
potentially
a
higher
cost
and
also
has
implications
for
financial
conditions
for
businesses
and
individuals.
E
If
they
can
even
access
that
capital
or
not,
the
the
second
concern
I
would
point
out
is
labor
we're
still
seeing
just
a
incredible
demand
for
workers,
but
I
think
if,
if,
if
hiring
slows
down
I
think
that
spells
trouble
in
the
short
term
there's
tension
in
Colorado
and
that
we
have
a
high
labor
force
participation
rate
labor,
force
growth.
E
We
have
a
a
really
high
number
of
job
openings,
but
we're
measuring
really
slow
employment
growth,
so
I
I
think
there's
a
little
bit
of
tension
there
within
the
reported
numbers
and
then
the
third
concern
that
I
would
close
with
is
remote
work
and
I
bring
this
up
because
of
the
impact
that
remote
work
has
had
on
Central
Business
districts,
especially
when
we
think
about
places
like
downtown
Denver
and
to
some
degree
Boulder.
E
If
we
see
higher
office
vacancy
rates,
we
then
think
about
that
multiplier
effect.
If
people
aren't
in
the
community
working
in
the
community
they're
not
spending
money
in
the
community,
they're
not
going
out
to
lunch,
they're
not
shopping
at
the
mall,
so
it
not
only
has
financial
implications,
but
it
has
impacts
on
the
vibrancy
of
a
community
and
also
could
impact
commercial
real
estate
defaults,
as
we
look
ahead
over
the
next
couple
of
years.
E
Okay,
now
my
closing
slide
so
I
I
just
want
to
thank
all
of
you
for
your
time.
I
think
I
was
a
little
bit
long-winded,
so
I
apologize,
but
lastly,
I
would
really
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
think
Caro,
Skinner
and
Mark
wolf
and
Joel
Wagner
for
all
of
their
help
through
these
forecasting
exercises,
because
we
we
ask
for
a
lot
from
them,
we
ask
for
a
lot
of
detail
so
that
we
can
produce
a
better
and
better
forecasts.
So
it's
a
true
partnership
and
we
couldn't
do
it
without
you.
B
Think
carrot
Cara,
do
you
have
anything
else
or
can
I
open
it
up
for
questions
no.
B
You
so
much
Brian
for
that
always
Illuminating
presentation
and
thank
you
also
to
Robert
for
being
here
who
has
questions.
F
You
know
in
the
largest
cities,
there's
a
real
crisis
with
respect
to
vacancy
rates
on
large
office
towers
and
and
Commercial
Real
Estate
generally.
Do
we
have
anything
analogous
going
on
in
the
city
of
Boulder?
What
kind
of
vacancy
rates
are
we
looking
at
here.
E
I
I
don't
actually
have
that
number,
but
I
have
access
to
it.
So
Mark
I
can
get
that
over
to
Cara
and
she
can
share
that
back
with
you.
We
we
have
access
to
some
Numark
data
and
some
co-star
data.
F
Okay,
my
only
other
question
was
in
the
taxable
sales
growth.
It
seems
that
a
number
of
the
highest
performers
are
ski
resort.
Towns
is
that
the
norm.
E
Yeah,
so
that's
a
really
good
question.
I
think
a
lot
of
this
has
to
do
with
timing,
so
we
we
saw
on
some
communities
bounce
back
sooner
from
the
pandemic
recession
and
so
I.
Think.
If
we
plotted
all
of
these
out,
you
would
see
some
early
early
risers
and
then
they
just
plateaued
a
little
bit
earlier.
We
we
have
seen
the
mountain
resort
communities
outperform
over
the
last
few
months,
so
I
I
wouldn't
say
that
that
is
always
a
truism,
but
it's
just
true
over
the
the
short
term
period.
E
Well,
I've
got
the
for
last
year,
while
we're
chatting
here,
I'll
pull
it
up.
I
think
that
if
I
recall
correctly
older
hasn't
led,
the
pack
hasn't
led
the
top
30.,
but
it
also
hasn't
lagged
the
top
30.
I.
Think
Boulder
has
sort
of
sat
sort
of
in
that
middle
50
percent
over
the
last
couple
of
years.
So
I
I,
don't
look
at
that
as
a
concerning
metric
I.
Think
it's
a
it's!
It's
good
to
sort
of
be
aware,
aware
of
how
your
peers
are
doing
within
the
community.
F
Okay,
all
right,
thank
you,
assuming
that's
not
disappointing
to
my
colleague
Rachel.
That's!
That's
the
end
of
my
questions,
great.
G
Thanks
Rachel
and
appreciate
the
presentation
and
the
you
know
year
in
year,
out
work
that
you
guys
provide
to
give
us
this
forecast.
I'll
just
start
with
I
think
based
on
Mark's
logic
of
comparing
us
to
Resorts.
That
I
think
he's
suggesting
we
open
up
the
Flatirons
to
be
a
new
ski
resort,
so
I'll
hold
him
to
that,
but
no
more
seriously.
G
You
know
one
of
the
things
that
you
Brian
you
mentioned
a
lot
is
is
really
referencing
the
covid
you
know
trench
and
so
I'm
wondering
to
what
extent
have
have
had
have
you
and
your
models
or
have
economists
in
general
really
fundamentally
maybe
changed
assumptions
based
on
what
covet
has
actually
changed
in
society
in
terms
of
consumer
behavior,
you
know
just
everything
that
covet
is
versus
thinking
of
it
as
a
transient
thing
like.
Oh,
this
recession
occurred
and
we're
right
back
to
business
as
usual.
G
H
Yeah
thanks
I'll
mentioned
a
couple
things
in
response
to
your
question.
Matt.
One
thing
that
we
did
in
reaction
to
the
onset
of
the
pandemic
right
away
was
to
realize
that
we
had
all
these
components
for
sales,
tax
revenues,
they're
moving
in
different
directions,
and
whereas
previously
we
had
simply
had
an
aggregate
forecast
of
total
sales
tax
revenues
in
a
single
equation.
For
that
we
we
broke
down
to
these
various
categories
and-
and
so
so
that
way,
we've
adapted
the
model
to
accommodate
the
unusual
situation.
H
We
faced
both
going
into
the
pandemic
and
coming
out
of
the
pandemic
and
I
think
still
when
you
look
at
at
the
headwinds
and
Tailwinds
that
that
Brian
described
that
those
those
changes
which
are
difficult
to
anticipate
are
going
to
have
different
impacts
on
these
different
components
as
well.
So
I
think
that's
the
best
thing
that
we
can
do
to
to
adapt
to
that
situation.
H
Let's
see
the
was
that
was
that
the
full
part
of
your
question,
Matt
or,
and
was
there
something
else
too.
H
G
I'm
just
sort
of
wondering,
if
that's
kind
of
what
is
accepted
or
is
there
still
this
conflict
between
that
might
be
the
case
versus
we're
just
going
to
kind
of
go
back
to
2019
and
that's
where
the
world
will
end
up
so
I
I'm,
just
wondering
you
and
your
industry
is
there
sort
of
a
consensus
one
way
or
the
other
yeah.
H
Well,
I'm
not
sure
about
other
forecasters,
but
we're
definitely
we're
not
moving
our
model
back
to
pre-2020.
That
by
any
means,
I
mean
we're
going
to
maintain
the
the
breakdown
of
the
categories,
and
sometimes
we
explore
different
ones
as
well
and-
and
so
so,
some
of
the
unusual
headwinds
that
we're
facing
right
now,
some
of
the
financial
conditions,
the
tightening
of
monetary
policy
inflation
itself
is,
is,
to
some
extent
an
aftermath
of
the
pandemic
too.
H
And
so
we,
the
model,
really
needs
to
adapt
to
all
of
those
changes
and
and
we
we
try
to
stay
on
top
of
that
as
best
we
can.
I
Thank
you
thanks.
Thanks
Brian
for
the
presentation,
I
just
had
a
couple
of
questions.
If
I
was
looking
at
that
in
inflation
rates
chart
correctly,
it
looked
like
our
transportation
rates
were
way
higher
than
everybody
else's
and
I
was
just
wondering
if
you
could
speak
to
that
a
little
bit
and
what's
going
on
there,
yeah.
E
It's
really
a
student
observation
there,
so
wait.
There's
two
components
to
this
and
Mark
I,
don't
know
if
it's
easy
to
pull
that
back
up
and
put
it
on
slide
six,
but
the
the
there
are
about
10
categories
of
inflation
and
10
buckets
of
spending
and
transportation
is
one
of
them.
It's
part
of,
thank
you
one
more
one,
more
right
there.
E
Okay,
so
there's
the
all
items
which
is
Top,
Line
inflation
and
then,
if
you
look
all
the
way
at
the
bottom,
there's
a
separate
category
there
that
that's
called
core
inflation.
That's
all
items
less
food
and
energy,
because
food
and
energy
are
really
price
volatile
within
the
economy.
Right,
like
we
observe
gasoline
prices.
Just
have
these
wild
swings,
so
they
they
look
at
core
inflation
to
sort
of
remove
that
noise.
That's
within
prices,
even
though
we're
really
paying
for
those
goods
from
our
disposable
personal
income.
Okay.
E
So
then,
if
you
look
up
at
the
difference
between
Colorado
and
the
U.S
for
Transportation
last
month,
the
US
was
actually
negative
for
transportation.
While
Colorado
was
up
four
percent,
and
we
attribute
a
lot
of
that
to
the
spike
in
gasoline
prices
that
we
had
locally,
which
we
attribute
back
to
the
Sun
Core
Refinery
shutdown,
and
now
we're
really
seeing
gasoline
prices
come
down
in
Colorado.
There's
some
areas
that
are
sub
three
dollars
per
gallon
now
so
I
I
think
you
know.
E
If,
if
you
take
a
look
at
core
inflation
for
Denver
versus
the
nation,
we're
about
the
same
last
month,
we
were
exactly
the
same.
So
I
think
that
Delta
that
we
see
on
Top
Line
inflation
really
has
to
do
largely
with
transportation
and
the
higher
energy
costs
that
we've
been
paying
locally,
which
which
is
not
great
news,
but
we
are
seeing
it
come
down
at
a
pretty
fast
pace.
So
I
would
expect
Colorado
to
be
more
aligned
with
national
inflation
over
the
next
few
months.
I
Thank
you
and
just
kind
of
a
follow-up
I
mean.
Do
you
think
this
is
having
an
impact
like,
as
these
costs
become
a
little
bit
reduced
in
the
coming
months?
Do
you
think
that
will
have
an
impact
on
spinning?
Because
I
can
imagine,
especially
here
where
a
lot
of
people
commute
in
you
know
it?
I
E
Yeah,
absolutely
so
that
that
comes
out
of
our
disposable
personal
income
and
we
I
remember
last
summer,
when
gasoline
prices
actually
topped
five
dollars
a
gallon,
and
then
they
fell
really
quickly
in
Colorado
and
they
they
got
down
to
below
three
dollars.
A
gallon
so
think
about
that
as
a
two
dollar
savings
per
gallon
and
if
you're
putting
20
gallons
in
your
car
a
week,
that's
a
pretty
big
savings
and-
and
we
end
up
spending
that
somewhere
else.
So
so
as
prices
come
down.
E
That
does
help
support
other
other
consumption.
I
Thank
you,
and
just
one
one
other
question.
So
we've
got
some
groups
in
in
Boulder
County
and
our
council
member
Lauren
folkerts
has
been
working
on
this
a
little
bit
we're
starting
to
talk
about
a
minimum
wage
increase
and
I'm.
Just
wondering
you
know,
would
any
of
your
projections
for
next
year
change
at
all.
If
you
know
if,
if
there
were
to
be
kind
of
a
minimum
wage
increase
starting,
you
know,
do
you
do
you
expect
that
would
affect
any
of
the
sales
tax
revenue
or
worker
shortages
that
you've
seen.
E
So
I
I'll
answer
part
of
it
and
then
I'll
have
Robert
chime
in
and
think
about
it
from
a
modeling
perspective,
I'm,
not
sure
what
you're
thinking
about
for
a
minimum
wage.
But
when
I
talk
to
businesses
around
the
the
broader
Denver
Metro
region,
I
haven't
found
anyone.
That's
really
paying
a
true
minimum
wage,
there's
sort
of
this
natural
minimum
wage,
that's
above
the
the
the
legal
minimum
wage.
So
I
I
wonder
if
we
were
already
capturing
the
the
wage
increases
within
the
model.
E
Currently
so
I'm
not
sure
how
much
a
Delta
a
small
Delta
would
really
show
up.
J
K
Sorry,
you
I
appreciate
the
direction
Nicole
was
going
with
that,
as
we
think
about
a
minimum
wage
effort
going
forward.
Is
that
something
you
guys
could
help
us
think
about
in
terms
of
impacts
that
it
might
have
on
jobs
or
the
economy?
You
know,
especially
because
the
state
law
is
pretty
particular
there's.
H
Yeah
I
think
that
would
be
an
interesting
challenge
to
try
to
understand
better
what
a
sort
of
an
external
force
on
wages
would
would
produce
in
terms
of
employment,
labor,
force
participation
and
so
on.
So
it's
I
I
think
it's
within
the
scope
of
our
expertise.
It's
certainly
not
directly
a
part
of
the
model
at
this
point,
but
we
we
could
adjust
to
analyze
a
situation
like
that.
B
Well,
that's
great
to
hear
so
we
we
will
maybe
be
in
touch
with
you
on
that
and
I
was
just
feeling
sad
personally,
this
is
you
know
my
last,
a
financial
update
that
you,
you
know,
and
my
term
on
counseling,
has
been
a
pleasure
and
super
helpful
to
have
your
involvement.
The
last
four
years
like
kobit
was
was
bumpy
time.
So
we
really
are.
You
helped
the
city
out
a
lot
and
thank
you
for
being
here
again
tonight.
Thank.
A
B
B
Thanks
Cara
back
to
you.
D
Thank
you,
and
thanks
again
to
Robert
and
Brian.
We
appreciate
it.
I
am
going
to
quickly
just
turn
this
over.
The
next
portion
of
the
presentation
is
the
staff,
and
it
will
be
the
budget
team
and
I'm
happy
to
introduce
both
Charlotte
husky,
a
principal
analyst
on
the
budget
team
and
then
Mark
Wolfe
will
follow
her
and
I'll
give
a
short
intro
so
that
we
can
just
keep
it
going.
So,
with
that
I'll
hand
it
over
to
Charlotte.
L
So,
looking
at
our
major
Revenue
sources
for
the
city
of
Boulder,
those
sales
and
use
tax
collections
for
2022
came
in
at
13.5
million
above
the
original
budget.
This
includes
6.7
million
within
the
general
fund.
When
we
compare
this
to
2021
collections,
this
is
an
11.6
percent
year-over-year
increase
of
14.1
million
over
our
2021
Collections
and
the
increased
revenues
stemmed
from
certain
certain
tax
categories,
primarily
due
to
the
inflationary
impacts
of
the
cost
of
goods.
The
only
areas
where
we
saw
declines
were
in
the
marijuana
and
consumer
electrics
categories
for
our
sales
tax
categories.
L
We
did
shift
our
Revenue
budget
in
mid-year
in
2022
when
building
the
2023
budget,
and
that
resulted
in
a
slight
a
slight
Gap
in
Revenue
collections
of
1.1
million
below
our
2022
revised
projections.
So
we
came
in
1.1
million
in
in
actuals
below
our
2022
mid-year,
revised
projections
across
all
funds
that
receive
sales
and
use
tax
revenues
and
specifically
in
the
general
fund,
that
was
a
shortage
of
550
000.
for
our
use
tax
collections
for
2022.
L
When
we
look
at
our
previous
perform
previous
performance
of
receiving
higher
sales
and
use
tax
collection
against
our
budgeted
model,
we
actually
shifted
our
approach
in
looking
at
the
2023
budget
and
used
a
less
conservative
forecast
in
our
model.
With
this
change
of
Shifting
and
using
a
less
conservative
forecast,
we
forecasted
higher
revenues
and
we
programmed
these
additional
anticipated
revenues
in
2022
and
in
2023
toward
calzone
Community
priorities
in
the
budget
and
overall
we
budgeted
using
a
forecasted
model
that
anticipates
less
flexibility
in
sales
and
use
tax
in
2023
and
2024.
L
The
2023
budget
included
an
assumption
of
an
economic
slowdown
in
2023,
as
well
as
a
Slowdown
and
inflationary
pressures
which
would
positively
impact
our
sales
tax
collections.
We
saw
looking
at
our
February
2023
collections,
a
negative
year-over-year
growth
and
several
sales
and
use
tax
categories
and
will
continue
to
work
with
CU,
who
will
produce
a
new
model
for
us
in
June,
which
will
help
inform
our
final
guidance
for
2024.
L
Our
staff
has
performed
initial
analysis
on
the
preliminary
assessed
value
increase
for
the
city
of
Boulder
and
we're
seeing
an
estimated
32
percent
increase
compared
to
the
2022
property
tax
year
and
will
continue
to
monitor,
impacts
of
the
state
legislation
and
items
that
will
be
on
the
November
ballot,
and
this
generates
uncertainty
around
our
property
tax
revenues
for
2024,
where
we
could
see
an
increase
in
our
revenues
from
property
tax.
If
there's
no
voter
action
taken
in
November,
however,
we
could
see
a
decrease
from
our
current
assumptions
if
certain
propositions
receive
enough
votes.
L
Looking
at
our
early
projections
for
the
2023
revised
budget,
we
anticipate
ending
the
year
with
between
10
and
15
million
in
fund
balance
after
reserves,
and
this
presents
us
with
an
opportunity
to
address
one-time
funding
needs
such
as
capital
capital
infrastructure
needs.
And
with
this
in
mind,
our
recommendation
will
be
to
transfer
a
significant
portion
of
this
ending
fund
balance
to
the
governmental
Capital
fund
to
support
continued
development
of
Alpine
Balsam
and
the
Western
City
Campus
site.
L
So
you
all
are
very
familiar
with
this
slide.
This
is
our
three-year
plan
for
budgeting
for
resilience
and
racial
Equity.
We
are
currently
in
year,
two
of
our
plan,
where
we're
beginning
to
gather
data
relative
to
racial
equity
and
working
with
departments,
to
determine
the
benefit
and
burden
relative
to
outcomes
within
their
Department
program
areas
and
year.
Three.
We
hope
to
begin
to
utilize
this
data
to
support
more
strategic
decision
making
around
the
budget
process
and
to
evaluate
the
investment
of
our
impact
and
Investments
within
our
budget
on
racial
Equity
outcomes.
L
Next
slide,
Kia
in
this
plan
for
budgeting
for
resilience
and
Equity
is
community
engagement,
so
we
have
structured
two
windows
in
our
2024
development
of
the
of
the
budget
for
Community
engagement,
the
first
being
in
March
and
April,
where
we
worked
directly
with
Community,
connectors
and
residents
to
receive
feedback
on
our
investments
made
in
2023,
understand
potential
gaps
and
areas
to
address
in
the
2024
budget.
We
shared
these
themes
with
Department
directors
in
early
May,
with
the
hope
to
inform
budget
development
going
into
2024
our
second
window.
L
We
will
plan
to
perform
this
August
where
we'll
perform
broader
Community
feedback
survey,
where
we
will
solicit
broader
Community
input
and
we'll
also
Circle
back
with
Community
connectors
and
consult
with
budget
themes
and
key
Investments
that
we're
seeing
bringing
key
Investments
that
we're
seeing
bring
bringing
forward
in
the
2020
for
recommended
budget.
The
second
window
of
the
community
engagement
plan
will
will
end
in
at
the
end
of
August
and
we'll
plan
to
share
feedback
with
council
at
the
September
14th
study
session.
L
This
included
shifting
our
budget
philosophy
to
include
maximizing
the
use
of
available
resources
to
address
ongoing
funding
needs
this
included
shifting,
as
mentioned
before,
to
a
less
conservative
approach
in
our
sales
and
use
talks
model,
as
well
as
shifting
how
we
budget
for
personnel
where
we're
accounting
for
typical
vacancy
savings
across
the
organization.
L
Including
an
increase
in
ftes
across
all
funds
of
57
ftes
from
the
2022
budget,
as
well
as
adding
53
million
above
the
2020
2022
adopted
budget,
several
Investments
were
made
with
one-time
dollars.
So
one
of
the
things
to
think
about
and
moving
forward
to,
the
2024
budget
is
the
Investments
made
with
one-time
dollars
yet
implications
of
future
ongoing
costs.
L
These
numbers
reflects
the
last
budget
developed
prior
to
pandemic
implications
and
seen
here
in
the
middle
column,
the
2021
budget
demonstrates
Cuts
compared
to
our
2020
adopted
budget
due
to
the
pandemic
and
this
third.
In
this
third
column,
you
can
see
our
2023
adopted
budget
where
we've
increased
22
million
in
general
fund
in
the
general
fund,
ongoing
line
item
above
our
2020
pre-pandemic
budget,
and
we're
also
currently
working
towards
reintegrating
and
Staffing
up
an
additional
170
ftes
that
we've
added
to
the
organization.
L
Considering
all
of
the
trends
that
we're
seeing
and
the
and
the
shift
in
philosophy,
moving
into
our
2024
budget
development,
their
budget
constraints
and
as
well
as
opportunities
to
consider,
as
mentioned
previously
within
the
within
the
2023,
revised
general
fund
budget,
we're
anticipating
fund
balance
after
reserves,
which
provides
opportunities
to
address
one-time
Capital
needs.
L
There
are
several
major
constraints
to
consider
approaching
the
2024
budget
that
limit
ongoing
additional
ongoing
funding,
including
this
list
here,
such
as
the
impact
of
the
0.15
expiration
of
our
sales
tax,
which
generates
approximately
7.5
million
annually
in
general
fund
Revenue,
supporting
personnel
and
programs
across
the
city.
Also
considering
the
timing
of
the
library,
separation
and
payment
for
Library
Services,
provided
in
2023
and
recent
commitments
to
ongoing
funding
for
one-time
funded
items
in
the
2023
budget
or
piloted
items.
L
We're
also
considering
the
increase
in
Personnel
costs,
thinking
of
Union,
ongoing
Union
negotiations
and
then
additional
upcoming
infrastructure
needs
such
as
the
Western
City
Campus
project.
Considering
these
items,
including
the
library,
reallocation,
future
of
bar
0.15
sales
tax
and
property
tax
revenues.
This
provides
us
with
a
strategic
opportunity
to
think
about
our
investments
for
2024
and
moving
forward
for
the
2024
budget.
Development
I
would
have
thought
I
will
hand
it
off
to
mark.
M
M
This
will
give
you
an
opportunity
yeah
to
hear
some
insight
into
how
we
are
approaching
the
24
budget
and
also
an
opportunity
to
provide
some
feedback
I'll
be
walking
through
each
of
these
six
and
then
I'll
be
joined
by
Parks
and
Recreation.
Here
soon,
as
they'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
detail
about
their
fee
policy,
so
starting
with
number
one,
slowing
economic
growth
and
known
funding
requirements
significantly
limit
budget
flexibility
for
ongoing
costs.
So
that
speaks
a
lot
to
all
the
information
that
you've
heard
over
the
past
hour.
M
A
couple
of
specifics
in
terms
of
the
commitments
that
Charlie
Charlotte
mentioned,
that
we
have
made
in
2023
day,
Services
Center
we
budgeted
in
2023
with
one-time
dollars.
We
now
have
an
estimate
of
1.2
for
operating
costs
for
that
Center
and
10
million
for
Capital,
so
we'll
need
1.2
million
of
new
ongoing
dollars
for
2024.
M
For
the
behavioral
health
or
CARE
program,
we
programmed
that
with
one-time
dollars
in
23
we
have
an
estimate
of
1.3
million
for
2024.,
given
some
of
the
constraints
in
hiring
for
that
program,
we
did
have
to
go
ahead
and
make
that
an
ongoing
commitment,
permanent
staff
this
year.
So
we
will
need
to
program
that
amount
for
24.
M
for
safe
and
managed
public
spaces.
The
total
program
cost
is
3.2
million.
2.3
of
that
is
already
programmed
within
the
budget
ongoing.
We
have
850
000
funded
as
one
time
to
continue
that
pilot
in
23
for
the
downtown
ambassador
program
and
the
urban
Parks
Rangers.
So
if
those
two
aspects
of
the
program
were
to
be
permanent,
that
would
be
an
additional
nine
hundred
thousand
and
then
there
are
several
other
various
commitments
that
we've
made
since
budget
adoption
last
fall
again
about
nine
hundred
thousand.
M
So
that
brings
us
to
a
total
of
new
ongoing
budget
needed
in
the
general
fund
of
4.3
million.
We'll
just
point
out
that
our
current
estimate,
without
considering
the
library
dollars,
is
only
three
to
four
million
available
for
ongoing
funding.
So
that's
a
conundrum
that
we'll
talk
about
how
to
how
to
approach.
In
a
moment.
Really
it
comes
down
to
our
first
opportunity,
looking
at
library,
budget,
reallocation,
funds
and
the
approach
to
address
some
of
the
key
Council
priorities.
M
Stepping
back
I
won't
go
too
far
into
detail
on
the
the
facilities
master
plan
in
Western
City
Campus
you're,
going
to
get
a
deep
dive
into
that
in
two
weeks.
What
the
FMP
does,
though,
is
it,
provides
a
blueprint
for
us
to
address
the
rising
costs
of
our
our
maintenance
needs
across
our
facilities
and
ways
to
approach
our
long-term
facilities
planning
the
Western
City
Campus
is
a
big
part
of
that
in
a
lot
of
ways,
one
of
the
the
big
dominoes
in
how
we
approach
a
number
of
our
projects.
M
The
financing
model
will
will
talk
about
some
of
the
key
levers
that
you
all
will
be
weighing
in
on
and
especially,
consolidation
of
buildings,
sale
and
profiting
from
the
sale
of
buildings
in
order
to
help
with
the
financing
the
type
of
financing
and
how
we
approach
our
operational
savings.
From
that.
From
that
consolidation,
we
will
need
additional
ongoing
funding
to
support
that
project,
that
will
that
will
impact
the
2025
budget
either
in
the
form
of
debt
service
or
a
partnership
funding,
and
you
all
will
get
more
detail
about
that
at
your
next
meeting.
M
Well,
two
weeks
so
again,
just
to
show
the
first
two
day:
services
and
Behavioral
Health.
The
suggestion
here
is
that
we're
making
the
Assumption
for
the
24
budget
development
that
we'll
need
to
tap
into
the
library,
reallocation
dollars
to
fund
the
day,
Services
Center
and
The
CARE
program,
which
are
great
opportunities
there
and
then
also
do
a
placeholder.
We
do
have
some
Debt
Service
potential
Debt
Service
programmed
already
in
our
governmental
Capital
fund,
but
this
would
supplement
that
an
additional
2.5
again,
knowing
that
this
is
likely
to
come
in
some
format
in
2025.
M
The
third
is
related
to
Capital,
so
the
capital
Improvement
program
will
include
long-range
facilities,
planning
to
ensure
sustainable
funding,
strategies
for
Building,
Maintenance
and
Associated
services.
The
six-year
CIP
or
Capital
Improvement
program
will
align
with
our
sustainability,
equity
and
resilience
framework,
our
Boulder
comp
plan
and
subcommunity
and
area
plans.
One
point
of
emphasis
for
this
year's
budget
development
is
the
community
culture
resilience
and
safety
tax
dollars.
That's
our
largest
source
of
General
Capital
dollars
that
we
have
available.
M
We
have
done
some
planning
efforts
over
the
last
year
related
to
projects
that
would
be
eligible
under
ccrs.
We
will
be
bringing
forward
prioritized
projects
and
financing
strategies,
including
potentially
issuing
a
bond
around
ccrs,
that
we
do
have
author
authorization
for
by
voters.
That's
likely
to
exceed
the
overall
need.
M
So
again,
this
conversation
around
facilities,
Master
planning
and
our
approach
to
facilities
in
the
long
term
will
be
critical
to
balance
the
the
items
that
we
won't
be
able
to
cover
under
ccrs
and
just
to
hammer
that
point,
we
have
three
recreation
centers
that
need
to
be
addressed
in
some
format:
two
fire
stations,
a
public
safety
building,
not
to
mention
the
Alpine
Balsam
project
and
others.
The
ccrs
tax
is
200
million.
M
Flexibility
that
we
do
have
within
the
dedicated
funds
will
be
explored
and
emphasized
to
ease
the
burden
on
the
general
fund
to
the
extent
possible,
including
other
Revenue
strategies
such
as
reviewing
fee
policies
and
the
one
we'll
dive
into
tonight
is
Parks
and
Recreation.
We
did
identify
this
as
an
issue
during
our
conversation
around
Library
reallocation
back
in
February,
and
we
outlined
several
action
steps.
This
is
really
about
making
sure
that
we're
in
alignment
with
voter
intent
on
any
of
those
restricted
revenues
and
that
we're
maximizing
the
use
of
those
resources.
M
So
we've
undertaken
a
couple
of
these
steps
already,
and
this
will
help
inform
the
2024
budget
as
we
review
those
dedicated
fund,
financials
the
restrictions
and
determine
short
and
long-term
Financial
strategies
for
these
other
funds.
We
think
that
can
be
helpful
in
looking
across
the
entire
city
in
terms
of
our
resources.
M
N
So
much
Mark,
as
Mark
said:
Jackson
Height
with
business
services
and
Parks
and
Recreation.
N
This
is
the
slide
that
you
saw
back
when
we
Parks
and
Recreation
plan
was
adopted
last
summer,
and
at
that
point
in
time
we
had
told
you
that
without
additional
funding,
BPR
would
need
to
maintain
or
would
need
additional
funding
to
maintain
our
current
level
of
service
to
ease
the
general
fund
of
their
financial
support.
We
had
identified
that
this
could
include
grants,
philanthropy
and
donations
additional
tax,
subsidy
or
other
Revenue
generating
ideas.
N
Since
this
time
we've
really
taken
the
feedback
that
was
given
and
identified
a
opportunity
to
address
this
through
a
fee
policy,
we
are
hoping
to
implement
a
fee
policy
in
2024
on
the
next
slide.
We've
identified
that
there's
almost
3
200
fees
that
Parks
and
Recreation
currently
has
and
Our
intention
of
establishing
a
fee
policy
is
to
have
a
standardized
approach
that
is
transparent
to
community
members,
as
well
as
our
staff
and
provides
clear
cost
recovery
targets.
N
We
believe
that
there
are
several
definitions
and
consistencies
that
would
really
simplify
this
approach
and
then
the
second
goal
of
developing
a
fee
policy
is
to
determine
the
appropriate
subsidy
levels
for
the
types
of
programs
that
we
offer,
and
this
would
be
based
on
the
level
of
funding
that's
available
each
year.
N
All
of
our
subsidy
levels
would
be
based
on
the
community
benefit
that
has
been
presented
in
the
2014
and
2022
plans,
but
the
other
intent
of
the
fee
policy
is.
This
will
help
us
achieve
national
accreditation
that
we
hope
to
undertake
in
2024..
N
On
the
next
slide,
we
have
taken
information
from
the
Parks
and
Recreation
plan
that
has
very
clear
guidance
from
Council
in
2014
and
2022
that
identifies
that
taxes
pay
for
recreation
programs
where
the
community
benefits,
whereas
individual
user
fees
pay
for
programs
that
are
exclusive
or
benefit
a
individual
in
the
middle
we
have
just
general
Recreation.
That
is
a
combination
of
both
taxes
and
user
fees
to
really
support
some
of
the
benefits
that
community
recreation
provides
on
the
bottom.
N
We
have
started
exploring
what
this
means
for
cost
recovery
targets,
and
this
has
been
an
ongoing
exercise
with
the
Parks
and
Recreation
Advisory
Board,
as
well
as
our
staff.
We've
identified
that
working
our
way
from
left
to
right,
Community
benefit
programs
typically
have
a
lower
cost
recovery,
which
is
a
higher
subsidy,
and
then
exclusive
programs
typically
will
have
higher
cost
recovery
where
individual
users
are
paying
for
their
full
way.
N
Within
this,
there
is
different
variations
and
flavors
of
recreation.
We
do
have
everything
from
beginner
to
intermediate
to
Advanced
and
some
of
our
cost
recovery
targets
will
be
based
on
who
the
intended
audience
is
for
each
of
our
program
types.
What
the
reach
is
and
other
factors
that
are
identified
in
the
recreation
priority
index.
N
We
do
recognize
that
cost
escalation
is
having
an
impact
on
funds
Citywide
and
especially
in
Parks
and
Recreation,
and
we
are
hoping
that
we
can
create
a
few
policy-
that's
Equitable,
but
also
allows
for
individuals
to
pay
their
way
where
they're
benefiting
from
the
programs
that
are
offered
on
the
next
slide.
We've
identified
what
the
10
different
types
of
programs
are
that
we
offer
all
of
this
is
described
in
more
detail
in
your
packet
on
page
14,
and
this
includes
the
methodology.
N
The
last
time
the
fee
was
updated
and
some
sample
definitions
and
examples
of
programs
that
fall
into
each
of
these
program
types
on
the
top.
We
have
four
different
program
types
where
there
is
set
policy
from
either
the
Parks
and
Recreation
Advisory
board
or
city
council,
and
for
this
we
are
really
hoping
to
document
everything
into
one
fee
policy,
instead
of
various
different
policies
that
have
been
updated
at
different
points
in
time.
On
the
bottom,
we
have
program
types
without
a
such
fee
policy.
N
Our
intention
here
is
to
really
clarify,
so
it
is
easier
for
community
members
and
staff
to
understand
how
we
go
about
charging
our
fees
and
documenting
it
into
a
single
policy
that
is
simple
to
refer
back
to
for
all
of
our
individuals
and
user
groups.
This
will
provide
General,
Clarity
and
consistency.
N
On
the
next
slide,
we've
mapped
out
our
timeline
as
far
as
the
various
touch
points
that
we've
had
so
far,
staff
began
working
on
this
project
in
January
of
this
year
and
has
met
with
the
Parks
and
Recreation
Advisory
Board
monthly,
and
continues
to
meet
with
them.
In
addition
to
having
staff
engagement,
Our
intention
is
in
June
to
take
this
to
the
community
collectors
and
residence
to
provide
our
recommended
approach
and
then
in
September
we
would
hope
to
start
conducting
Community
engagement
surrounding
lists.
N
Where
we
share
the
proposed
fee
increases
across
the
board.
We
do
want
to
highlight
that
any
Community
or
Recreation
programs
we
would
cap
at
a
10
fee
increase
for
2024
in
order
to
be
able
to
phase
this
in
in
a
way
that
is
Equitable,
and
we
do
want
to
highlight
that
none
of
the
existing
financial
aid
programs
would
be
impacted
by
this.
So
the
play
pass.
The
requity
program
would
continue
to
maintain
financial
assistance
for
those
who
are
in
need
to
be
able
to
access
our
programs.
N
This
really
is
intended
to
focus
more
on
the
entrepreneurial
spirit
that
was
identified
in
the
plan
to
make
sure
that
we
are
paying
for
our
way
through
individual
users,
especially
where
they
benefit.
So
throughout
the
process,
we
are
looking
at
research
community,
the
engagement
and
policy
to
drive
our
decisions
and
look
forward
to
presenting
the
recommended
fee
policy
with
the
2024
budget.
M
Max
Jackson
all
right
two
more
assumptions
and
then
we're
done.
Uncertainty
related
to
the
expiring,
0.15
general
fund
sales
tax
necessitates
preservation
of
ongoing
funding
from
the
library,
reallocation.
So
I'll
explain
in
a
little
bit
more
detail.
M
We
will
discuss
staff's
recommendation
a
little
bit
later
this
evening,
but
for
the
0.15,
specifically,
it's
an
undedicated
general
fund
tax
that
expires
at
the
end
of
2024..
There
is
existing
policy
guidance
that
will
review
and
how
we
use
this
to
fund
General
governmental
services
within
the
general
fund
that
we
feel
provides
a
justification
for
a
long-term
undedicated
extension
of
this
tax
and
as
we'll
discuss
later,
there
are
some
options
in
terms
of
engaging
with
voters
in
polling
prior
to
November.
M
What
we're
looking
at
specifically
is:
what
happens
if
voters
do
not
renew
this
tax
or
if
the
tax
itself
is
dedicated
to
a
purpose
that
is
not
currently
funded
within
the
general
fund
that
will
result
in
in
a
budget
Gap.
So
we
that
about
seven
and
a
half
million,
if
we
fund
something
to
the
level
of
let's
say
4
million
in
the
general
fund
and
that
voters
ultimately
dedicate
that
to
that
purpose.
The
increment
this,
because
it's
seven
and
a
half
million,
would
be
a
budget
Gap.
M
Anything
in
the
millions
in
terms
of
a
general
fund
budget
Gap
would
be
significant
or
likely
looking
at
budget
cuts
in
the
realm
of
services
and
the
people
associated
with
that.
So
the
0.15
and
caution
around
that
0.15
is
one
of
the
major
things
that
we're
thinking
about
for
2024
budget
development.
So.
To
that
end,
our
suggestion
is
to
to
hold
back
a
portion
of
the
library,
reallocation
dollars.
The
top
three
are
items
you
already
saw.
M
The
bottom
line
would
be
a
general
contingency
for
ongoing
funding
for
any
potential
Gap
created
by
either
a
non-renewal
or
a
dedication
of
the
0.15,
so
that
would
take
us
to
about
the
amount
that
we
would
expect
to
have
available
for
for
Library
funds.
Knowing
that,
if
voters
choose
to
renew
the
tax
undedicated,
then
we
would
have
that
four
million
dollars
available
for
ongoing
needs,
after
that,
if
we
have
some
type
of
different
financing
model
for
Alpine
Balsam,
there
could
be
resources
there
and
then,
as
Charlotte
spoke
to
earlier,
watching
property
tax.
M
M
And
lastly,
as
we
talk
about
seemingly
every
week,
the
the
needs
out
are
simply
greater
than
the
funding
that
we
have
available.
So
one
thing
that
we
have
explored
preliminarily
with
the
financial
strategy
committee
is
a
long-term
Financial
strategy
across
all
funds
and
City
functions.
M
I've
shown
iterations
of
this
list
before
the
dollar
numbers
are
big.
When
we
asked
departments
and
and
tried
to
be
pretty
specific
about
the
types
of
things
we
were
asking
for,
related
to
library,
relocation,
resources,
a
number
of
maintenance
needs.
M
So
what
do
we
rely
on
in
order
to
look
at
a
long-term
Financial
strategy?
Well,
there
is
previous
policy
guidance
all
the
way
back
to
2008
and
2010.
We
had
a
blue
ribbon
commission
that
focused
on
sustainable
revenues.
There
were
a
few
Lessons
Learned
there,
specifically
our
Reliance
on
sales
tax,
shying
away
from
dedicated
funding
and
also
moving
forward
on
budgeting
for
for
outcomes,
which
is
something
that
we
have
done
over
that
period
of
time.
With
our
budgeting
for
resilience
effort
our
work.
M
There
has
also
pointed
out
many
different
areas
that
we
can
continue
to
improve
upon
from
a
budgeting
perspective,
but
also
memorialize,
some
of
the
work
that
that
we
are
doing
in
terms
of
an
outcome
Focus.
We
learned
lessons
through
the
pandemic
that
we
spoke
about
this
evening.
The
Reliance
on
sales
tax
was
highlighted
through
that
downturn
and
also
our
ability
to
to
contingency
plan
so
that
any
disruption
is
less
impactful
to
the
organ
organization
and
community.
M
There
are
other
emerging
budget
policy
issues
that
we
have
spoken
with
Council
about
in
the
past,
I
mentioned
dedicated
revenues.
That
is
something
we
are
currently
in
the
middle
of
analyzing
and
bringing
forward
to
help
with
24
budget
development.
Our
master
plan
funding
levels
continue
to
be
something
that
we
want
to
make
sure
that
that
tool
is
appropriate
for
the
the
types
of
expectations
that
we're
setting
with
each
plan
and
for
those
that
have
been
accepted
to
make
sure
that
we
set
forth
a
realistic
funding
expectation
going
forward
and
I
mentioned
arpa
and
then.
M
Lastly,
a
strategy,
or
at
least
certain
elements
of
a
strategy
could
help
us
approach.
A
recommendation
for
the
0.15
which
you'll
hear
about
in
a
bit
long-term
Financial
strategy
could
have
many
different
elements.
There
are
a
few
that
we
expect
to
be
a
part
of
a
strategy,
the
confirmation
of
our
fiscal
philosophy
as
a
city,
so
the
sales
and
property
tax
balance
dedicated
funding
appropriate
appropriateness.
These
things
would
help
guide
us
over
a
long
period
of
time
right
when
any
type
of
decision
comes
up.
We
can.
M
We
can
lean
on
a
strategy
that
we've
developed
and
confirming
some
of
that
philosophy.
I
mentioned
memorializing
our
outcome-based
approach,
setting
some
general
parameters
to
overall
taxing
levels
or
at
the
high
end
in
terms
of
sales
tax
regionally.
Is
that
appropriate?
Are
we
comfortable
being
at
that
high
end
property
tax?
We
have
a
mill
Levy
maximum
set
in
charter.
Is
that
appropriate?
M
Should
we
be
moving
towards
that
or
not
those
types
of
things
would
be
elements
in
a
strategy
and
then
last
aligning
all
of
our
budget
practices
and
processes
to
that
strategy
would
be
an
element.
Next
steps
include
continuing
to
make
progress
on
a
number
of
different
research
items
or
analysis
that
relate
to
a
number
of
these
issues.
M
M
O
Thanks
and
the
advantage
of
having
seen
the
slides
or
some
of
the
slides
in
the
financial
strategy
before
so
I
have
jump
on
people
Mark
or
anybody
who
knows
this
question.
You
touched
briefly
earlier
in
the
presentation
on
the
potential
Revenue
increase
to
the
city
as
a
result
of
the
property
assessments
and
I
know.
Those
just
came
out
and
I
realized
that
there
are
some
ballot
measures
that
Colorado
voters
will
vote
on.
That
will
have
some
impact
on
that.
O
M
Yeah
we
we
do
at
least
for
if
voters
decided
not
to
provide
any
relief,
I
believe
that's
around
seven
to
ten
million
dollars
in
terms
of
extra
above
our
original
projections
that
would
be
coming
in
in
24.
the
others
in
terms
of
the
potential
items
that
voters
could
approve
range,
pretty
widely
I
believe
in
Charlotte
will
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
I
think
it
was
anywhere
from
a
couple
million
dollar
impact
in
the
in
the
governor's
proposal,
all
the
way
to
a
net
negative
in
collections
for
for
another.
O
Thanks
Mark,
that's
helpful!
So
how
are
you
guys
going
to
deal
with
that
from
the
standpoint
of
preparing
the
2024
budget,
because
obviously
we'll
have
to
prepare
the
budget
and
approve
the
budget
long
before
the
November
votes?
Are
you
guys
going
to
take
kind
of
a
worst
case
scenario
approach
and
then
there
might
be
some
upside
that
we
could
do
adjustments
to
base
in
2024?
How
are
you
going
to
deal
with
that?
Given
the
timing.
M
Yeah,
that's
a
good
question.
I
think
that's
something
that
we
still
have
to
have
some
discussions
about.
We
probably
wouldn't
take
the
most
conservative
approach
based
on
what
would
be
on
the
ballot.
M
However,
we
will
have
to
proceed
with
caution
and
so
I
think
you're
right
that
we'll
we'll
use
the
budget
process
we'll
have
a
set
of
priorities
that
kind
of
fall
right
below
that
line
that
we
we
are
able
to
budget
to
and
in
the
event
that
voters
take
a
less
restrictive
action
in
November,
we'll
be
ready
at
the
first
of
the
year
to
move
forward
on
those
priorities.
J
Well,
Bob,
you
teed
up
my
question
perfectly
because
I'm
also
pursuing
the
property
tax
questions,
but
first
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for
a
very
detailed
presentation,
but
also
just
I,
just
think
you're
doing
a
phenomenal
job
in
terms
of
how
you're
budgeting
and
how
you're
thinking
about
estimates
and
tapping
fund
balance,
and
you
know,
making
sure
we're
funding
Community
priorities
when
we
have
money
available
so
huge
thanks
for
for
the
way
that
you're
approaching
things
so
I'm
a
huge
fan
of
how
that's
going
so.
J
My
question
on
the
property
taxes
Bob
asked
private,
but
in
terms
of
the
the
HH
that
the
legislature
is
putting
on
the
ballot,
are
they
not
backfilling
lost
Revenue
to
cities
as
part
of
that?
So
do
you
know
how
much
of
an
impact
it
was
have.
M
Yeah
thanks
mayor,
that's
a
good
question,
so
the
the
Senate
bill
that
went
through
last
year
that
did
provide
Backville
Phil
for
Boulder,
so
that
capped
the
assessment
rate
at
a
certain
amount
and
we
were
provided.
We
will
be
provided
this
year,
65
backfill
of
what
we
would
have
otherwise
lost.
M
J
M
That's
correct:
I
know
that
there's
one
that
limits
I,
think
it's
three
percent
year-over-year
growth,
or
something
like
that.
Just
to
give
you
a
frame
of
reference,
our
original
projections
in
the
23
budgets
all
the
way
back
during
2022,
we
had
anticipated
about
a
10
growth
in
in
assessed
values
in
24..
So
if
it
was
only
three
percent,
then
we
would
have
to
figure
that
one
out.
D
Sorry
I
was
just
going
to
jump
in
here
that
we'll
see
this
in
the
next
agenda
item,
but
there
are
four
initiatives
that
are
have
are
out
for
collecting
signatures,
and
so
they
vary
in
terms
of
the
limitations
and,
and
most
of
them
are
tied
around
that
three
percent,
but
some
of
them
have
varying
conditions.
So,
okay,.
J
G
Thanks
Rachel
and
mark
karishra,
thank
you
for
that.
That
was
really
really
detailed
and
quite
helpful
to
get
that
landscape
some
great
opportunity,
but
also
some
risk
in
front
of
us
so
sort
of
you
know
both
sides
of
the
coin.
Bob
Bob
touched
my
property
tax
questions,
so
I
appreciate
him
jumping
out
with
that.
The
only
remainder
one
I
had
had
to
do
with
kind
of
what
what
eligibility
for
ccrs.
G
Clearly
you
know
it's,
but
between
parks
and
fire
stations,
some
of
that
stuff
that
was
clearly
defined
when
ccrs
got
passed,
I'm
wondering
it
does
the
capital
investment
for
the
day
service
center
apply,
and,
and
would
that
even
be
something
in
part
or
full
that
we
would
consider
in
in
ccrs
in
terms
of
making
that
more
immediate
investment,
where
some
of
those
other
Capital
Investments
are
still
longer
term
out.
M
M
So
it's
a
balance
between
what
we
set
in
terms
of
voter
expectation,
right,
Community
expectation
that
we
would
we
would
address
a
number
of
the
items
listed
versus
the
flexibility
as
things
come
up
over
a
15
year,
the
life
of
a
15-year
tax.
So
that's
some
of
what
will
be
weighing
and
developing
a
funding
plan
under
ccrs
for
the
24
budget
for
the
day,
Services
Center.
M
We
we
have
a
general
strategy
right
now
that
Capital
cost
is
estimated
at
10
million,
five
of
which
would
come
from
the
affordable
housing
fund
and
then
five
from
the
general
fund,
and
so
we
think
that's
adequate.
Now,
we'll
also
research
potential
grant
opportunities.
M
We
we
do
have
some
period
of
time
before
we'll
break
ground,
but
your
your
point
is
valid.
We
certainly
could
tap
ccrs
if
we
ran
into
a
situation
where
we
we
couldn't
use
general
fund
money.
G
Yeah
I
appreciate
you
looking
into
I'm
just
thinking
hearing
some
of
these
potential
consequences
of
shortfalls.
It
just
makes
me
think
that
if
we
can
free
up
5
million,
then
that's
people
we
don't
have
to
furlough
in
programs.
We
don't
have
to
suspend
or
cancel
so
I'm
sure
you
guys
are
on
top
of
that.
But
thanks
for
clarifying
that.
P
I,
don't
know
how.
Well
this
is
for
the
community
to
keep
Rising
raising
our
fees.
So
is
there
no
room
for
getting
more
budget
for
Parks
so
that
we
don't
have
to
keep
raising
our
fees?
I,
don't
know
if
maybe
somebody
from
Parks
is
here
with
I
know
that
the
Parks
Board
has
probably
talked
about
it,
because
when
I
was
on
that
board,
we
sure
did
so
I'm
wondering
what
our
plan
is
for
that,
and
we've
also
had
a
lot
of
emails
from
the
South
Boulder,
Rec,
Center
folks
and
so
I'm
wondering.
P
Is
this
the
time
to
talk
about
any
of
those
things
or
is
there
a
better
day
a
better
time
day,
Ally.
M
Yeah
I'm
happy
to
to
yield
to
Ellie
and
Jackson
I'll.
Just
say
one
thing
that
we
we
do
hope
to
begin
to
address
in
the
24
budget
plan,
especially
our
Capital
Improvement
program,
is,
is
beginning
to
think
about
our
long-range
facilities,
planning
and
you're
right.
What
we
have
to
figure
out
the
best
approach
to
our
recreation
centers.
We
do
think
ccrs
will
certainly
help
but
may
not
get
us
all
the
way
there.
So
it's
a
it's,
certainly
a
valid
question:
Ally
Jackson,
You
Wanna
jump
in
there.
N
Tara
we
have
taken
this
to
prab
and
some
of
perhaps
input
address
a
lot
of
the
similar
concerns.
You
have
increasing
costs
and
what
it
means
with
the
Aging
facilities
compared
to
some
of
our
peer
communities.
I
think
that
in
Recreation
we
have
different
Alternatives.
We
can
reduce
our
level
of
services,
we
can
increase
prices
or
we
can
look
at
the
volume
at
which
we're
delivering
our
services.
N
A
P
P
N
The
props
said
that
they
wanted
to
maintain
the
current
levels
of
services
being
provided
and
then
I
think
back
to
the
general
fund
subsidy
that
has
historically
been
about
1.6
million
dollars
and
there
was
a
one-time
increase
in
both
2022
and
2023,
with
the
understanding
that
it
was
only
one
time
in
nature.
N
P
Q
I'd
love
to
say
something
to
make,
you
feel
better
I
think
Jackson's
actor
was
really
well
done.
The
very
best
thing
that
could
happen
to
relieve
the
pressure
is
for
visitation
to
return
to
pre-pandemic
levels.
It's
not
there.
We
have
program
areas
that
are
knocking
it
out
of
the
park.
Gymnastics
is
actually
exceeding
2019
levels.
They
are
incredible,
you're,
going
to
see
an
ATV
next
week
that
actually
adds
a
position
to
support
their
success,
we're
leaning
in
everywhere.
We
can
we
keep
talking
about
rather
than
pushing
the
rock
uphill.
Q
Where
can
we
put
rolling
really
well,
but
the
reality
is
until
we
can
solve
this
lifeguard
crisis,
the
limitation
and
visitation
is,
is
really
hamstringing
us
and
we're
doing
everything
we
can
to
figure
it
out.
So
if
it
makes
you
feel
better,
we
have
the
best
team.
They
are
so
stinking
smart
and
they're.
Trying
really
hard.
P
I
do
my
last
question:
is
I
had
a
discussion
with
Transportation
after
we
got
quite
a
lot
of
emails
about
the
condition
of
our
roads,
because
that
affects
both
bikers
and
drivers
and
it
I'm
wondering
if
there's
any
room
to
increase.
They
said
that
we
actually
do
not
have
a
lot
of
budget
for
fixing
our
roads.
P
M
Yeah,
fair
question
and
I
I
think
you're,
hitting
on
a
couple
things
that
speak
to
the
the
tension
that
we
always
feel
going
into
a
budget
development
right,
there's
so
many
different
priorities
and
we
have
constraints,
and
especially
those
that
are
supported
by
the
general
fund.
M
We
simply
have
limited
resources
to
be
able
to
do
that.
I,
don't
know
if
that
makes
you
feel
better,
but
I
I
think
we
have
the
opportunity
to
try
and
address
these
priorities
and,
if
Transportation
says,
hey,
look
we're
falling
behind
on
our
on
our
condition
index
really
in
our
streets.
Here's
what
it
would
take
to
improve
that!
That's
something
that
would
be
brought
forward
during
the
24
budget
and
in
the
context
of
all
of
the
different
priorities
that
that
we
see.
I
Thank
you
and
I
I
also
have
a
lot
of
questions
like
Tara,
but
try
to
go
quickly
and
be
Discerning.
First
of
all,
thank
you.
This
is
just
such
an
exciting
time
to
be
on
Council,
I,
think
reading
through
the
packet,
seeing
your
presentation
really
highlights
that
just
to
be
around
some
of
this
budgeting
for
resilience
and
Equity
is
starting
to
impact.
How
we
make
these
financial
decisions
I
think
the
focus
on
outcome.
I
We
aren't
done
with
all
this
work,
but
I
just
wanted
to
thank
you
for
everything
you're
doing
to
support
this
transition
and
also
just
applaud
your
efforts
to
navigate
The
Challenge
of
having
all
of
these
significant
uncertainties
for
next
year
that
that
is
really
hard
and
we're
gonna
have
some
hard
decisions
and
conversations
coming
up,
but
I
really
appreciate
everything
you're
doing
to
try
to
find
a
way
through
when
you
don't
really
know
which
which
direction
we're
headed
in
right
now,
I
had
a
couple
of
questions:
first,
just
about
the
parks
and
rec
the
user
phase
and
things,
and
what
one
of
the
things
I
was
wondering
is
in
setting
our
fee
structure
and
kind
of
looking
at
our
use
rates.
N
We
typically
look
at
the
user
fees
individually
each
year
as
we
set
our
fees
as
we
were,
studying
the
2023
fees.
We
are
the
highest
on
the
Front
Range
by
a
relatively
far
margin.
N
We're
currently
charging
nine
dollars
for
an
adult
resident
daily
drop
in,
which
is
what
we
base
all
of
our
fees
off
of
and
most
peer
communities
are
in
the
five
to
six
dollars
per
visit
range
currently
and
then
for
individual
program
fees.
We
do
rely
on
the
recreation
priority
index
that
takes
into
account
what
is
the
benefit
for
individuals?
We
look
at
market
rate
data
from
other
providers
of
those
Services,
both
local
government
municipalities
and
for-profit
agencies.
I
Thank
you
and
one
one
more
question
along
those
lines,
and-
and
this
may
be
just
let
me
know
if
this
is
a
discussion
for
a
later
Point
I'm,
just
really
curious
to
unpack
a
little
bit
more
of
this
idea
of
exclusive
uses
and
and
kind
of
you
know,
differentiate
how
Community
benefit
plays
into
that
we
went
when
you
know
we
were
talking
about
the
master
plan.
Thinking
about
it.
Last
fall,
I
was
thinking
about
exclusive
uses
as
being
like
more
corporate.
I
You
know
for-profit
kinds
of
things,
not
necessarily
Recreation
uses.
Like
we
heard
about
from
you,
know
the
rowers
who
were
being
priced
out
a
little
bit
and
I
am
just
wondering
about
especially
programs
that
are
targeting
Youth
and
emerging
adults.
It
is
so
valuable
to
have
these
ages
physically,
active
and
Outdoors
in
the
community.
The
impacts
on
brain
development,
psychological
Health,
cognitive
function,
I
mean
they
last
a
lifetime
right,
and
so,
as
we're
kind
of
thinking
about
for
this
this
year,
you
know
it.
I
Q
I'm
gonna
I'll,
chime
in
and
take
that
one,
because
here
here's
the
challenge
Nicole,
is
that
the
very
first
litmus
test
and
everything
we
do
is
isn't
Mission
driven
and
our
mission
is
to
promote
health
and
well-being,
and
so
everything
we
do
in
some
way
or
another.
Does
that
right.
I
was
out
at
East
Mapleton
on
Tuesday
night,
seeing
adult
softball.
Q
Some
of
our
members
of
council
can
speak
to
the
lifelong
benefits
of
of
adult
volleyball,
and
yet
funds
are
limited,
and
so
we
have
to
make
choice
about
where
subsidy
goes
and
so
I
hear
you
that
that
what
you
thought
was
exclusive,
maybe
isn't
how
it's
playing
out
and
do
we
need
to
keep
working
on
the
Nuance?
Yes,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
as
much
as
we
would
love
everything
to
be
free
that
that's
not
the
the
reality
of
the
world
that
we're
in
and
so
we
do
have.
Q
The
other
thing
we
know
in
our
community,
which
is
wonderful,
is
people
are
passionate
about
their
form
of
recreation,
whatever
it
might
be,
and
so
what
the
recreation
priority
index
does.
Is
it
says
how
many
people
is
this?
Serving
is
there
substitute
ability
for
this
service?
What
targeted
benefits
is
it
providing
what
targeted
communities
is
it
serving,
and
so
that's
how
we
do
it,
because
we
do
have
to
have
an
objective
way.
I
Yeah,
thank
you
for
that
appreciate
it.
Those
are
all
my
parking
Rec
questions,
but
I've
got
a
couple
more
for
some
others
I,
you
know
I
know
we're,
including
the
connectors
in
the
budgeting
discussions
this
year.
Are
there?
Are
we
getting
any
feedback
yet?
Are
there
any
kind
of
themes
emerging
from
some
of
those
conversations.
M
Yeah
we
have,
and
we
just
really
appreciate
the
partnership
with
our
community
connectors
and
residents.
It's
been
a
really
valuable
discussion
over
the
last
couple
of
months
on
by
Charlotte.
M
To
add
on
to
this
I
think
the
major
themes
we're
hearing
are
about
affordability
in
community
and
about
advancing
our
Equity
goals
in
line
with
themes
that
connectors
have
shared
with
Council
before
and
what
we
did
this
time
around
is
really
focus
in
on
certain
outcomes
that
we
can
put
into
our
budget
terms
and
help
guide
departments
as
they
develop
budgets
over
the
next
couple
of
months
yeah,
so
that
it'll
be
it'll,
be
helpful
in
this
first
stage
to
set
that
frame
and
then
we'll
check
back
again
to
to
see
how
we're
doing
once
we
get
close
to
releasing
the
recommended
budget.
M
We
certainly
can
during
that
second
window,
and
we
can
do
something
about
the
best
format
for
that.
But,
yes,
that's
absolutely
possible.
I
Thank
you,
and
I
was
just
wondering,
is
especially
just
given
the
storms
that
have
been
coming
through
lately
and
hearing
from
what
some
folks
in
East
County
experienced
in
a
climate
crisis,
Capital
Improvement
costs,
infrastructure
costs
certainly
seem
like
they
are
going
up.
Is
that
something
that
we
take
into
account
in
our
budgeting
every
year
as
we're
thinking
about
these
kind
of
Big,
Ticket
repairs
and
things
that
are
going
to
have
to
be
done
and
done
more
frequently
in
the
coming
decades?.
M
Yes,
it
is,
and
I
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
our
facilities
master
plan
highlights
is
in
this
in
the
city,
buildings,
the
importance
of
consolidation
and
being
strategic
about
which
facilities
that
we
we
target
for
major
investment
that
it's
done
with
that
climate
action
Focus.
M
There
are
many
other
ways
that
I'm
sure
that
our
climate
initiatives
folks
could
expand
on
in
terms
of
working
with
Community
I
know,
specifically,
the
efforts
related
to
the
voter,
approved
expansion
of
the
the
climate
tax
to
include
Wildfire
resilience
is
one
of
those
efforts
in
in
building
Community
connections
and
helping
related
to
resilience
efforts.
M
I
Thank
you
and
then
last
question
also
kind
of
a
bigger
Longer
term
question
now
we're
already
some
of
these
demographic
shifts
that
are
expected
in
Colorado,
just
a
growth
in
the
65
and
older
population
relative
to
others.
I
expect
that's
going
to
have
some
Revenue
impacts.
Is
that
anything
that's
motivating
some
of
the
shift?
I
M
M
The
shift
to
balancing
more
with
property
tax
is
maybe
tougher
today
than
it
was
a
few
years
ago,
but
you
know
certainly
would
be
more
sustainable
from
a
revenue
perspective
and
then
there
are
other
ways
other
strategies,
another
reason
to
highlight
a
long-term
Financial
strategy
in
looking
at
the
structure
of
sales
and
use
tax,
looking
at
different
types
of
fees
that
are
perhaps
a
little
bit
more
Equitable
and
then
again
figuring
out
what
a
long-term
shift
to
more
more
property
tax
looks
like
and
if
there's
a
pallet
for
that
so
yeah.
F
F
Has
there
been
any
discussion
about
monetizing
the
use
of
our
open
space,
parking
fees
or
otherwise,
especially
with
respect
to
the
many
folks
who
come
in
from
Denver
and
out
of
town
to
use
the
land
that
we
have
to
pay
for
the
maintenance
of.
M
That
is
a
good
question.
Mark
I,
I,
don't
know
for
sure
I
know
there
has
been
some
work
done
around
parking
management
at
trailheads,
but
we'd
have
to
get
back
to
you
on
unless
there's
somebody
else
on
the
call
that
can
speak
to
that
on
whether
or
not
we've
looked
at
a
fee
structure
or
something
along
those
lines.
F
And
if
someone
could
get
back,
that
would
be
nice.
My
second
question
is:
can
you
speak
a
little
more
about
what
you're
planning
to
do
with
dedicated
fund
balances?
In
what
amount
and
I
mean?
Are
you
looking
to
eliminate
those
fund
balances
so
that
we
can
absorb
it
into
the
general
fund?
What
what
do
you
have
in
mind.
M
Yeah
good
question
so
to
be
clear
that
the
dedicated
funds,
especially
those
that
have
voter
restrictions,
we
wouldn't
be
changing
those
restrictions.
We
would
be
staying
in
line
with
voter
intent,
voter
action
related
to
those
fees,
so
we're
simply
just
making
sure
one
we're
we're
sticking
to
the
the
language
either
in
the
ballot
or
in
code
language
that
restricts
the
use.
So
we're
not
restricting
ourselves
further
in
terms
of
the
uses
and
then
also
making
sure
that
the
fund
balance
levels
are
appropriate.
M
So,
looking
over
the
time,
Horizon
five
six
years
down
the
road
are
we
building
in
the
ongoing
resources
that
we
can
for
every
fund.
Just
like
last
year,
we
really
focused
on
the
general
fund
and
our
sales
and
use
tax
structure
and
maximizing
the
use
of
our
resources
there.
We
want
to
make
sure
we're
doing
the
same
things
in
in
those
dedicated
funds,
so
it
wouldn't
be
taking
away
from
those
funds
to
fund
something
else
that
they
couldn't.
F
F
You
know
we're
becoming
a
very
high.
We
are
a
very
high
tax
City.
You
know
we
simply
couldn't
go
back
and
I
think
increase
sales,
taxes
more
and
I
I,
don't
know
if
you
start
looking
at
how
people
are
yelling
and
screaming
about
the
prospective
increase
in
their
property
taxes.
I
I,
just
don't
know
how
much
more
there
is
there
are
we
approaching
a
position
where
we
have
a
structural
deficit
between
our
revenues
and
our
expenses,
because
we're
increasing
our
expenses
on
a
yearly
basis.
F
M
No
to
that
last
part,
but
I
will
say
that
every
every
year,
when
we
develop
the
budget,
we
make
sure
that
we
have
a
sustainable
five
or
six
year
time,
Horizon
in
our
financials,
meaning
there's
no
structural
deficit.
You
will
see
a
structural
deficit
this
year
when
we
produce
the
fund
financials
for
the
general
fund
because
of
the
point
expiring
0.15.
M
So
that's
seven
and
a
half
million
of
ongoing
Revenue
that
we
wouldn't
we're
not
demonstrating
if
that
were
to
be
disrupted,
then
absolutely
we'd
have
to
look
at
reductions
in
order
to
offset
that
amount.
But
to
your
point,
I
I
think
it's
something
we
look
at
every
year
right,
the
balance
of
our
our
ongoing
spending
versus
how
we're
projecting
sales
and
use
and
other
revenues
I.
Think
one
of
the
main
purposes
of
looking
at
a
long-term
Financial
strategy
is
understanding
what
areas
we
do
have
flexibility
in.
M
Where
can
we
start
broadening
the
pie
to
your
point
and
then
really
leaning
into
the
work
with
outcomes
that
if
something
is
not
aligned
with
our
goals,
then
we
can
look
at
realigning.
Resources
within
and
I
think
that's
something
we've
begun
to
to
start
to
think
about,
but
are
just
kind
of
getting
at
the
point
where
we
feel
like
we
have
data
and
information
to
do
that
in
a
better
way.
Nice
I
see
nuria's
hand.
F
I'm
just
concerned
that
we,
you
know
that
you're
going
to
need
to
exercise
the
creativity
of
Picasso
address
some
of
these
concerns,
but.
B
C
I
did
and
actually
Mark
took
the
words
out
of
my
mouth
in
terms
of
like
this
is
it
is
an
ass
that
we
continue
to
sort
of
lift
up
both
to
staff,
but
also
to
you,
I'll
say
that
as
we
move
into
outcome-based
budgeting,
the
goal
of
that
is
to
use
data.
C
That
tells
us
what
can
we
stop
doing
so
that
we
can
think
about
things
that
we
should
really
augment
that
are
working
or
new
projects
that
are
coming,
because
it
is
unsustainable
to
keep
being
additive
in
a
budget
process
and
saying
no
or
we're
going
to
shift
or
we're
going
to
re-prioritize?
It's
not
something.
Cities
do
really
well
and
I.
Think
data
really
helps
and
supports
that.
C
So
as
we
get
that
data
in
as
we
are,
transforming
our
budget
process
to
incorporate
that,
and
we
come
to
council
in
the
next
iteration
of
budgeting
for
resilience,
it
is
that
conversation
that
we
really
need
your
partnership
on
as
we're
moving
forward,
because
that's
what's
going
to
make
a
difference
as
we
move
forward.
D
Well,
thank
you.
I,
just
also
wanted
to
double
down
on
what
Mark
and
Nuria
shared,
but
then
to
also
reiterate
with
regard
to
the
long-term
Financial
strategy.
D
We
do
think
part
of
that
is
really
to
have
an
open
and
sort
of
broad
Community
conversation
about
priorities.
I
mean
I,
think
we.
D
We
all
agree
that,
through
our
traditional
master
plan
process,
we
have
identified
a
lot
of
goals
and
had
sort
of
the
conversations
with
those
respective
constituencies,
but
we
haven't
really
had
a
an
overarching
Community
conversation
about
priorities,
because,
frankly,
we
cannot
afford
everything
that
is
identified
in
all
of
those
plans,
and
so
we
need
to
say
that
out
loud
and
we
need
to
have
a
conversation
about
how
to
prioritize
about
across
those.
Many
need
many
many
needs,
but
so
we
really
do
look
forward
to
that
long-term
Financial
strategy
development
and
that
conversation.
P
Sorry,
real
quick,
so
in
regards
to
our
pilot
programs,
I
did
I'm
not
saying
that
the
guaranteed
income
program
will
be
great,
but
I
did
notice
that
it
went
from
Pilot
to
ongoing
needs
and
that's
just
an
example
of
I
guess.
My
question
is:
is
how
do
we
prioritize
it's
always
hard?
How
do
we
prioritize
some
great
social
programs
with,
for
instance,
infrastructure?
M
Really
good
question
I
would
say
in
general,
we
we
do
not
do
piloting
well,
as
City,
we
do
tend
to
keep
those
Investments
going
for
arpa.
We
do
have
a
real
conversation.
Those
are
resources
made
to
help
us
recover
from
the
pandemic
and
I
I
think
we're
appropriate
and
exciting
Investments.
M
We
have
not
made
a
determination
on
guaranteed
income
and
some
of
our
other
pilot
programs
we
will
have
to
as
to
whether
or
not
those
are
permit
programs
I,
think
where
we'd
like
to
really
focus
in
on-
and
this
gets
back
to
the
outcome-based
approach
is
if
we
set
something
as
a
pilot
and
fund
it
with
one-time
dollars
and
establish
some
of
our
intended
outcomes.
We
want
to
make
sure
we're
measuring
that
and
then
and
then
report
back
to
council
and
community
at
the
end
to
say.
Did
we
achieve
our
goals?
M
Is
this
something
that
should
continue
or
did
it
run
its
course?
We've
we've
recovered
from
the
pandemic
in
this
area,
and
it's
not
something
that
could
continue.
I
I
hope
that
we'll
get
to
the
point
with
our
pilot
programs,
where,
if
it's
a
troop
pilot,
then
we'll
be
able
to
provide
that
data
and
then
make
an
informed
decision
on
whether
or
not
we're
extending
that
into
the
future.
I.
P
Mean
I
remember
back
in
the
day
when
we
first
talked
about
it,
we
were
wondering
if
we
shouldn't
use
those
funds
for
to
give
to
effa
so,
and
then
we
switched
over
to
the
pilot
I'm
not
saying
it
is
not
good
or
better
better
than
giving
money
to
Alpha
I'm,
just
hoping
that
we
can
look
at
those
pilot
programs,
even
those
cities
notoriously
don't
I
wish.
We
would
be
one
of
those
cities
that
do
just
throwing
that
out.
There.
B
Thanks
Tara,
so
I
think
that
the
question
that
staff
put
to
us
was:
do
we
have
any
questions
and
I
think
that
we
have
have
asked
our
questions
so
going
once
twice
three
times
to
try
and
keep
us
on
our
three
hour
schedule
here.
B
So
thank
you
so
much
Cara
and
Mark
and
Charlotte
and
Jackson
who
has
disappeared
from
my
screen.
That
was
an
outstanding
presentation
and
information
and
if
no
one
has
any
more
questions
which
I'm
going
to
pretend
I
see
no
hands
if
they
do
go
up.
Let's
move
right
on
to
topic
number
two
Steph,
though
I
do
want
to
check
in
with
you
Cara,
maybe
just
make
sure
that
you
got
what
you
needed
from
us.
D
D
So
we
do
have
six
items
on
the
agenda
and
the
first,
the
second
and
the
fifth
are
items
that
we
are
going
to
request
feedback
and
input
direction
from
city
council.
So
we
have
questions
teed
up
for
that
items.
Three
four
and
six
are
really
just
updates
so
with
that
I'm
gonna
next
slide
so
for
here,
I
believe
I'm
going
to
hand
it
over
to
Aaron,
Poe
and
she's
going
to
start
this,
but
then
I
believe
the
charter.
Review
Committee,
is
also
going
to
join
her
in
leading
this
discussion.
R
Thank
you
very
much
Cara
good
evening
mayor
and
members
of
council
Aaron,
Poe
Deputy
City
attorney
for
this
segment
of
the
presentation.
I
will
be
covering
Charter,
Review,
Committee
recommendations
and
bringing
forward
an
issue
for
discussion
next
slide.
Please,
the
charter,
Review
Committee,
recommends
changes
to
Charter
Provisions,
27,
37,
39,
46
and
57..
The
goal
of
these
changes
is
to
remove
a
requirement
for
in-person
signatures
in
support
of
mayoral
or
city
council
candidates
to
provide
the
city
clerk
five
additional
days
to
process
petitions.
R
This
would
be
done
by
increasing
the
number
of
days
to
process
from
10
to
15
and
changing
the
deadline
to
submit
petition
signatures
from
150
days
before
the
election
to
155
days
before
the
election
And.
Thirdly,
to
clarify
language,
providing
that
state
law
governs
amendments
to
the
Chip
city,
Charter
and
I'll
pause
there
to
see
if
council
members,
Yates
or
Benjamin
would
like
to
add
anything
to
those
recommendations.
R
Thank
you
next
slide,
please,
the
charter,
Review
Committee,
considered
other
recommendations
brought
by
community
members,
but
those
are
not
recommended
this
election
cycle.
These
are
proportional
representation
and
modifying
the
initiative
and
referendum
process.
Regarding
the
number
of
signatures
required
and
again
I'll
pause
to
see.
If
our
council
members
would
like
to
add
anything
to
this
slide.
R
All
right,
thank
you
next
slide,
please!
So
for
this
segment.
These
are
our
questions
for
Council.
Do
you
agree
with
the
recommendations
of
the
city
council
Charter
Review
Committee?
Does
the
council
have
Direction
regarding
polling
on
Charter,
Review,
Committee
recommendations
and
or
should
staff
draft
ordinances
with
proposed
ballot
language
for
the
charter?
Review
Committee
recommended
ballot
measures.
R
B
Okay,
let's
take
them
one
at
a
time:
I
guess
maybe
we
can
do
show
of
of
hands
for
question
one.
A
straw
poll
first
does
who
who
oh
they
disappeared?
Okay,
do
you
agree
with
the
recommendation
of
the
city
council
Charter
Review
Committee,
who
who
agrees.
B
J
B
I
B
R
To
Aaron
goes
back
to
me:
yes,
thank
you
very
much,
okay,
and
for
the
next
segment
of
the
presentation.
The
charter
Review
Committee,
has
flagged
an
issue
of
council
compensation
for
discussion.
Council
compensation
in
2022
was
12
695
annually.
R
An
increase
in
compensation
would
recognize
the
escalating
workload
and
increased
complexity
of
council
work.
The
time
commitment
for
Council
work
may
be
a
barrier
to
service.
An
increasing
compensation
may
enable
more
people
to
afford
to
serve
Fort
Collins,
enacted
Council
compensation
based
on
the
area.
Median
income
in
2022
is
shown
on
this
slide
and
I'll
pause
to
turn
to
council
members,
Yates
and
Benjamin
to
provide
additional
information,
and
the
next
slide
has
questions
for
Council
to
consider.
O
Thanks
Aaron
and
I
are
leaving
this
up.
Man
has
something
to
to
present
to
council
a
little
later
in
the
presentation,
so
I'll
take
this
one
on
with
Matt's
assistance.
So,
as
Aaron
mentioned
Fort
Collins
last
year,
pretty
quickly
actually
did
a
compensation
change.
They
were
right
around
the
same
level.
We
were
around
11
or
12
000
a
year.
We
had
a
study
session
last
April,
similar
to
what
we're
talking
about
tonight
and
their
Council
said:
let's
go
forward
and
and
tip
a
ballot
measure
which
they
did
in
November.
O
The
charter
committee
is
not
necessarily
recommending
that
here
for
this
year
or
or
at
any
point
in
time,
we
just
wanted
to
call
to
your
attention
the
fact
that
at
least
one
of
our
neighboring
impure
cities
has
made
a
pretty
significant
change
in
their
competition
for
Council
Members
just
by
web
comparison.
O
If
you
did
the
math,
the
12
000
or
so
that
our
Council
gets
paid
is
roughly
15
of
the
area,
immediate
income
for
a
single
person,
so
far,
Collins
is
running
about
three
to
five
times
higher
than
that
we
have
not
done
a
comparative
study
of
other
cities
other
than
just
some
anecdotal
examinations.
Matt
and
Mark
did
host
a
kind
of
a
gathering
of
some
former
council
members
last
week
just
to
get
a
sense
from
them
about
what
they
thought
about
a
potential
compensation
change.
O
There
have
been
three
attempts
at
compensation
changes
before
the
voters.
This
would
require
a
charter
Amendment
over
the
last
20
years.
There's
been
three
attempts.
All
of
those
have
been
voted
down.
O
There's
been
some
modest
changes
like
health
insurance
and
the
method
of
payments,
but
the
voters
have
consistently
not
approved
pay
increases
in
Boulder,
the
oh
half
dozen
to
a
dozen
former
council
members
that
Mark
and
Matt
posted
last
week
had
Divergent
opinions
about
whether
there
should
be
a
compensation
change
that
ran
anywhere
from
no
change
to
potentially
a
slight
change
to
potentially
a
change
similar
to
what
Fort
Collins
did
to
even
I.
O
Think
one
former
council
member
recommended
going
to
100
of
Ami
so
and
Matt
did
a
good
job
of
summarizing
those
various
opinions
in
a
hot
line
that
he
did
a
day
or
two
ago,
and
and
so
this
is
really
just
kind
of
a
touch
in.
We
haven't
really
spent
a
whole
lot
of
Staff
time
on
this.
O
This
is
not
really
something
that
was
highlighted
as
a
priority
at
the
council
retreat,
but
something
that
that
Matt
and
I
have,
as
Charter
committee,
have
been
working
a
little
bit
on
and
I
guess
what
we're
just
looking
for
some
direction
from
Council
tonight.
This
is
kind
of
a
green
yellow
red
which
is
you
know.
Green
is
if
there
was
enthusiasm
by
a
majority
on
Council
to
to
try
to
put
something
on
the
2023
ballot.
O
We
could
certainly
burst
in
the
flames
and
and
work
on
that,
a
very
hard
and
very
quickly
over
the
next
couple
of
months
with
the
assistance
of
staff
and
bring
something
back
to
Council
in
June
and
July.
We'd
need
some
direction
about
what
Ami
levels
you'd
be
seeking,
and
undoubtedly
we
want
to
do
some
polling
in
parallel
with
pulling
the
staff
it's
going
to
do
on
some
other
ballot
measures.
That'd
be
kind
of
the
green
approach.
The
the
orange
approach
would
be
yeah.
O
This
sounds
kind
of
interesting,
probably
not
enough
time
to
do
something
this
year,
or
maybe
politically,
it's
not
a
good
year
to
do
it
this
year,
but
keep
working
on
a
charter
committee,
and
let's
talk
about
it
later
this
year
or
or
or
or
maybe
take
some
recommendations
to
to
the
next
Council
retreat
in
January
for
a
possible
2024
ballot
measure,
and
then
red
would
be
no
thanks
for
looking
into
this
Matt
and
Bob.
O
But
this
doesn't
look
like
it's
something
we
want
to
do
at
this
time
and
the
next
Council
can
decide
if
they
want
to
pick
it
up
or
not.
So
that's
the
direction
that
Matt
and
I
are
really
seeking
from
you
is
like,
so
we've
just
done
a
little
bit
of
work.
We
want
to
know
if
you
want
us
to
keep
working
on
it.
You
want
us
to
stop
working
on
it
again.
We
haven't
used
much
staff
time.
O
We
would
need
a
nod
of
five
or
or
or
some
sort
of
council
indication
if
we
want
to
engage
staff
in
this
more
over
the
next
few
months,
so
I'll
pause
there
Matt
is
there
anything
on
that,
one
that
I've
left
out.
G
No
Bob,
you
summarized
that
quite
well
and
you
know
assuming
people
read
the
hotline
and
got
and
listened
to
your
summary
I
think.
There's
everything's
there
for
everyone
to
kind
of
Dive,
In.
O
B
Right
so
in
a
minute
we
can
ask
like
I,
think
that
the
questions
that
are
up
or
not
really
we're
not
answering
all
three.
It's
it's
one.
You
know
we'll
take
a
vote
on.
Who
wants
one
two
or
three.
So
it's
do.
We
want
to
look
at
it
this
year
next
year
or
not
at
all
as
I
understand
it.
But
first
does
anyone
have
questions
Tara?
Do
you
have
a
question.
P
In
included
in
this,
are
we
going
to
discuss
another
option
would
being
to
lessen
some
of
the
workloads.
So
those
of
us
that
want
to
continue
to
work
either
full
or
part-time
can
do
that
because,
once
you
say,
okay,
well,
let's
increase
it
to
43
000.
Are
you
saying
that
we
should
quit
our
jobs,
because
this
will
now
be
our
full-time
job?
So
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
what's
the
best
thing,
but
I
feel
like
that
should
be
part
of
the
discussion.
P
There
might
be
some
simple
things
that
we
can
do
to
lessen
the
workload
so
that
we
can
keep
things
the
way
they
are
slightly
increase
them,
but
also
so
we
can
keep
our
jobs,
because
some
of
us
have
worked
for
very
long
time
with
our
careers,
and
you
know
to
just
for
two
to
six
years
or
whatever,
to
throw
it
out
is
seems
like
a
a
big
deal
as
well,
so
I'm
just
throwing
that
out
there
for
a
discussion.
Point
I'm,
not
sure.
If
we
aren't
going
to
talk
about
it
or
not,
is.
B
G
You
like
us
to
answer
that
term.
Yes,
I
would
oh
I
mean
I
can
take
it
Bob
unless
you
want
to.
O
Yeah
I
think
I
think
it's
a
good
on
discussion.
Tara
I
think
I
think
it's
important
to
to
identify
the
fact
that
this
is
not
about
what
effective
hourly
rate
council
members
get
paid.
In
other
words,
obviously,
if
you
reduce
the
hours
hourly
rate
would
go
up,
I
think
it's
fine
to
have
a
discussion
at
some
point
in
time
about
workloads
and
Council
efficiency,
and
you
know
whether
we
serve
on
too
many
committees
and
so
on
so
forth.
O
I
think
that's
all
a
fine
discussion,
I
think
the
reason
Matt
and
I
teed
this
up,
however,
was
a
little
different.
It
was
really
about
Equity.
It
was
really
about.
Are
we
paying
council
members
future
council
members
a
sufficiently
high
wage
so
that
they
could
consider
running
for
Council
and
Serbian
on
Council
if
they
had
day
jobs,
they
had
children
to
raise
and
so
on
and
so
forth?
So
this
was
less
about
how
much
we
work,
which
is
a
fine
discussion
to
have
at
some
point
and
more
about.
O
Are
we
paying
a
a
wage
or
stipend?
That's
high
enough
that
people
in
our
community
who
are
not
represented
by
the
nine
of
us
you
know
are
who
we
are
might
consider
running
for
for
Council,
so
I
think
that's
really
what
we're
we're
shooting
for
here.
Matt
any
add
on
to
that.
G
The
attempt
is
to
eliminate
economics
as
a
barrier
to
entry
to
serve
our
community
in
the
capacity
we're
fortunate
enough
to
do
so
in
and
letting
it
be
not
about
your
economic
status,
but
being
about
a
a
competition
of
ideas
and
values
and
letting
it
be
squarely
in
that
Arena
and
not
what
economic
class
you
are
were
or
currently
or
aspire
to
be
in
and
just
removing
that
from
the
calculus
is,
is
really
the
core
of
this
and
to
tear
your
point.
G
The
the
idea
on
the
other
side
of
the
equation
is
something
we
should
absolutely
discuss.
I
will
say
that
I've
watched
Council
toy
with
that
idea
of
reducing
and
modifying
workload,
and
it
kind
of
just
becomes
an
exercise
of
futility
so
happy
to
talk
about
it
again,
but
I
I,
maybe
defer
to
our
more
longer
tenured
council
members
like
Aaron
and
Bob
and
Rachel
and
Mark
and
Juni
as
to
where
that
has
transpired
in
the
past
is
a
lesson
for
the
future.
B
I
You
just
questions
right,
no
comments
yet.
Okay,
do
we
have
a
plan
to
get
feedback
from
people
who
couldn't
run
for
Council
because
of
the
lack
of
pay?
I
know
we
talk
to
folks
who
did
and
were
able
to.
O
That's
a
great
Point,
Nicole
I
think
that
would
be
part
of
the
community
engagement.
If,
if
council
tonight
gives
us
either
green
or
orange
light,
that
is,
you
want
to
put
try
to
put
something
about
this
year
or
at
least
tee
things
up
for
over
2024
ballot.
Absolutely
that's
a
that's!
A
cohort
we'd
want
to
sit
down
and
understand
things
from,
but
we
have
not
done
that
yet.
I
R
I'm
not
sure
that
I'm,
the
one
who
can
answer
that
so
I
guess
I
might
look
to
Nuria
about
stats
capacity.
C
I'll
say
that
I
myself
have
not
been
engaged
in
that
conversation
and
happy
to
Circle
back
and
let
Council
know
because
I
do
not
know
what
that
would
look
like
in
terms
of
Staff
capacity
to
do
that
type
of
Engagement.
So
we
can
certainly
get
back
to
council
about
it.
G
So
my
clarifying
no
question
for
you,
Nicole
is
certainly
you
know.
The
time
crunch
of
the
next
couple
months
is
on
the
Assumption.
We'd
want
to
put
it
on
the
ballot
in
2023.
If
the
and
so
it's
a
different
thing,
if
we
want
to
do
it
in
2024,
we
got
some
Runway
and
so
I'm
just
sort
of
curious.
If
there's
a
qualifier
in
in
how
we
would
achieve
that
in
terms
of
how
staff
would
thus
then
respond.
G
If
we've
got
two
months
versus
a
little
bit
longer
to
make
sure
we
have
a
little
bit
more
of
a
deeper
engagement
because
I
I
think
like
all
of
us,
we
don't
want
to
do
the
engagement
in
such
a
limited
and
light
fashion
that
we
actually
don't
get
the
input
that
we're
actually
is
Meaningful.
So
I
just
want
to
just
put
that
outfit.
That
two
tracks
would
maybe
dictate
what
we
can
and
can't
do
so,
I
just
throwing
that
back.
Yeah.
I
And
I
think
that's
that's
where
my
question
was
coming
from
right.
Do
we
have
enough
time
in
a
month
or
two
to
do
the
kind
of
meaningful
engagement
that
we
would
want
to
do,
given
the
groups
that
you
know
we're
trying
to
make
this
apply
to
so
you
know
for
me
it's
kind
of
a
question
that
does
impact
the
feedback
that
I
have
you
know
about
how
we
move
forward
tonight.
B
Real
quick
to
staff,
it
is,
will
anybody
be
running
for
counseling
2024
like?
Is
there
any
reason
to
do
this?
This
you
know
this
year
so
that
people
you
know,
usually
we
make
it
so
that
you
get
it's
only
the
next
incoming
class
who's
who
who
reaps
the
benefits
of
something
that
we
promote
to
the
ballot.
So
we
wouldn't
have
our
own
salaries
raised.
It
would
be
the
next
people
elected.
B
G
2025
is
the
next
Council
election.
2026
would
be
the
next
mayoral
election
so
but
maybe
I
can
answer
qualifier,
because
I
think
that
maybe
gets
to
some
of
the
commentary
or
motives
of
what.
Maybe,
where
the
recommendations
are
that
that's
but
but
I
think
it's
a
fair
point.
G
You
bring
up
Rachel
about
that,
because
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
would
consider
moving
it
into
2024
is
to
not
create
that
awkward
conflict
in
a
council
election
year
where
you've
got
council
members
running
and
then
weighing
in
on
whether
or
not
they
want
to
pay
themselves
more
money.
And
so
we
just
sort
of
stripped
that
awkwardness
out
of
the
formula
and
just
put
it
in
a
year
where
there's
nobody
running
for
any
seat
and
and
let
it
be
unto
itself
so
that
that's
a
reason
perhaps
to
choose
that
that
2024
option.
B
As
well
as
an
even
year,
which
many
of
us
just
weighed
in
a
lot
about
Mark
Wallach,.
I
I
I've
got
one
more
and-
and
this
is
just
a
question
about
whether
we
have
an
identified
funding
source
for
any
you
know
we
kind
of
just
went
through
our
projections
for
next
year.
We
don't
really
have,
you
know,
seem
to
have
enough
to
find
the
things
we're
interested.
So
it
is
this
something
that
would
just
kind
of
I
guess
if
we
were
to
make
a
decision
about
trying
to
put
something
on
for
this
year.
What
does
that
mean
in
terms
of
budgeting.
D
B
Thank
you
bet
it.
Nicole
I
was
now
trying
to
get
past
you
quickly
there
sorry
about
that.
Mark
is
up
with
the
questions
and
then,
if
you
want
to
put
your
hands
up
for
comments,
go
ahead
and.
F
F
Is
there
anything
that
prevents
us
from
doing
it
in
2024,
but
doing
the
polling
this
year
to
see
if
it's
even
a
viable
concept
to
proceed
on
I
mean
it
would
seem
to
me
I'd
like
to
know?
Are
we
like
Fort
Collins,
or
do
we
have
a
different
electorate
with
a
different
set
of
preferences?
That
would
make
this
very
problematic.
F
B
Is
that
Aaron
sure
Cara
anuria.
C
I
Can
I
colloquy
on
that?
Absolutely
so
when,
when
we
do
polling,
are
we
just
pulling
likely
voters
for
this
year
because
we
know
there's
a
difference
in
turnout
and
even
an
odd
year,
so
I'm
not
sure
if
polling
this
year
would
kind
of
help
us
think
about
what
what
the
landscape
may
look
like
next
year.
B
D
I
guess
I
would
just
weigh
in
that.
That's
something
that
we
would
ask
of
whomever
we
would
hire
as
our
polling
experts,
but
that's
something
we
could
ask.
G
That
stuff
can
I
just
add
a
little
comment
to
Nicole's
point
about
just
sort
of
the
the
diff
the
electorate
neck,
but
this
year
versus
next
year.
The
other
the
other
thing
to
consider
in
this
is
there
will
be
a
new
Council
and
so
to
what
extent,
not
knowing
what
the
makeup
of
that
is
or
where
that
support
lies.
For
for
something
like
this,
the
question
I
have,
is,
you
know
really
do
we
want
to
do?
G
We
want
to
put
a
nice
bow
around
a
package
before
we
get
to
you
know
next
year,
so
that
it's
just
sort
of
ready
to
go
when
we
go
to
our
Retreat
and
we
don't
have
to
do
any
more
work
on
it.
It's
just
kind
of
like
Signed,
Sealed
Delivered.
We
could
throw
it
on
the
ballot
or
do
we
want
to
still
want
to
leave
some
meat
on
the
bone
for
us
to
work
through
during
that
Council.
G
So
it's
just
kind
of
where
do
you
want
to
put
the
backstop
and
then
work
backwards
from
there
based
on
completion,
because
you
can
run
this
all
the
way
through
June
of
2024?
If
we
wanted
to
work
for
another
year
on
this,
but
it's
just
more
that's
a
question
for
everybody
to
kind
of
answer:
where
do
we
want
to
be
sort
of
done
and
be
ready.
B
Plus,
did
you
great
okay,
so
in
a
minute,
I
will
do
a
straw
polls
for
one
two
or
three?
Do
we
want
to
do
it
this
year
next
year,
not
at
all?
But
if
you
have
food
for
thought,
discussion,
first,
Laura
and
Lauren
no.
O
K
I
guess
I
thought
Tara
brought
up
a
great
point
of
sort
of
like
the.
There
is
a
lot
of
different
dimensions
to
equitability
and
being
able
to
like
financially
make
this
work.
You
know,
I
I
do
have
personal
concerns
of
I,
like
that.
A
lot
of
us
do
other
work
outside
of
council.
K
I
think
that
it
makes
that
we
have
diverse
backgrounds
in
that
way
adds
to
the
conversation
that
we
have,
and
so
one
of
the
things
that
I
would
like
to
see
is,
as
we
do
Outreach
and
reach
out,
and
you
know
have
conversations
with
the
community
connectors
and
all
of
that
that
I
do
think
it's
important
to
look
at
more
than
just
the
pay
itself
and
to
think
about
you
know
how
would
that
compare
to
having
staffs?
K
You
know
a
higher
level
of
Staff
support
and
how
would
that
cost
compared
to
like
paying
council
members
more
on
the
financial
side,
like
I,
think
there
are
a
variety
of
different
trade-offs
that
we
could
be
making,
including,
as
Tara
mentioned,
you
know
how
many
committees
and
things
that
we
are
expected
to
sign
up
for,
but
just
to
make
sure
that
this
is
a
really
well-rounded
conversation
around.
What
the
commitment
level
is
along
with
what
the
compensation
would
be.
B
B
Also
I,
don't
know
if
the
mayor
in
Pro
tem
in
Fort
Collins
do
the
same
job
as
the
mayor
in
Pro
tem.
Here,
having
done
pro
tem,
there's
no
way,
I
would
say:
that's
a
ten
thousand
dollar
a
year
additional
job,
Duty
I
mean,
and
it's
like
a
you
know,
it's
internally
picked.
So
we
would
pick
somebody
to
get
that
wage
increase
and
the
you
know
under
our
Charter,
the
mayor
really
doesn't
have
a
different
level
of
job
expectation
than
City
Council
Members
we're
all
equal.
We
vote.
Equally.
B
You
know
there
is
the
the
attending
Monday
morning
meetings,
but
you
know
I
think
you
know
my
reading
of
the
charter
is
that
you
know
every
every
ninth
thing
that
comes
into
the
mayor.
Sort
of
you
know
should
come
to
me
as,
like
you
know,
to
sort
of
be
shared
out
equally
to
council
members.
So
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
that
that
should
be
a
terribly
disparate
wage
either.
So
I,
don't
know
how
to
capture
that,
but
just
in
that
that
was
one
of
the
ideas
presented.
B
I
think
that
under
the
the
job
duties
of
our
Charter
I
would
say
everybody
should
get
the
same
salary
for
Boulder
I,
don't
know
how
that
would
be
for
other
cities.
So
those
are
my
two
thoughts,
Nicole
and
then
Tara
and
then
maybe
we'll
strap
hold.
I
Awesome,
thank
you.
Yeah
just
had
a
couple
of
things,
so
I
brought
this
up
as
a
potential
work
plan
priority
back
in
our
first
retreat
in
2022.,
but
I
even
I,
as
somebody
who
really
was
eager
for
this
I
need
a
lot
more
information
before
I
feel
ready
to
try
to
put
this
on
the
ballot,
especially
getting
information
from
people
who
can't
afford
to
be
in
this
position
without
a
living,
wage
and
I.
I
Just
don't
know
that
this
I
mean
this
is
really
important
and
and
I
don't
know
that
we
could
or
should
rush
to
get
it
done
for
this
year.
I
would
really
love
to
see
us
explore
this
issue
a
little
bit.
As
you
know,
we
have
time
and
and
staff
have
time-
and
you
know
maybe
thinking
about
the
idea
of
stipends
just
for
people
who
can't
afford
to
work
20
or
30
hours
a
week
for
twelve
thousand
dollars
a
year.
I
You
know,
maybe
maybe
we're
looking
at
income
thresholds
or
just
some
some
different
ways
that
we
could
think
about
this
and
I
expect.
The
people
who
can't
afford
to
be
here
have
a
lot
of
really
good
ideas
about
how
we
could
do
that
really.
Rachel
agree
with
you
completely
I.
Don't
love
the
idea
of
different
income
levels
for
different
positions,
because
we
really
are
intended
to
be
quite
equal
in
our
job
duties.
I
One
of
the
things
that,
when
I
brought
this
up
in
2022
I,
was
also
really
interested
in
the
idea
of
boards
and
commissions
and
them
being
paid
because
they
are
almost
completely
unpaid,
whereas
we
at
least
get
a
little
bit,
they
many
of
them
get
nothing,
and
so
you
know
I'm
wondering
too
as
we're
having
this
discussion,
and
maybe
this
is
something
that
our
boards
and
commissions
committee
could
think
about.
I
I
What
kinds
of
folks
could
really
benefit
from
this
so
I
think
that
would
be
an
interesting
thing
to
look
at
as
well,
and
then
I
just
want
to
third,
this
idea,
Tara
that
you
had
about
having
a
working
group
or
something
to
think
about
how
we
can
decrease
the
amount
of
time
that's
required
for
the
work
by
making
our
work
more
efficient.
I
For
example,
it's
not
clear
to
me
that
we
need
1600
page
packets
every
week
and
some
of
the
lengths
of
you
know
all
this
information
I
expect
that
it
may
not
just
be
council
members
who
would
appreciate
that
we
may
get
some
Kudos
from
staff
too,
in
that
so
I
would
really
love
to
think
about
that,
because
for
me,
that
also
relates
to
this
idea
of
you
know
who
can
be
here,
how
much
time
we're
spending
on
this
work
and
how
we
can
make
it
more
accessible
to
others
in
our
community,
but
Matt
and
Bob.
I
G
Can
I
call
it
Nicole's
last
just
comment
just
because
there's
the
former
council
members
we
met
with
with
their
wealth
of
experience
and
knowledge.
They
also
provided
a
list
of
what
would
what
would
be
those
process
and
good
governance
improvements.
I
didn't
include
that
in
the
hotline,
because
that
really
wasn't
core
to
compensation,
but
that's
a
wealth
of
knowledge
that
we
can
lean
on
when
we
do
want
to
embark
on
that
conversation.
So
I'm
just
so
a
couple
things
you
mentioned,
Nicole
were
what
former
council
members
had
actually
flagged.
G
P
Lauren
for
saying
that
you
agreed
with
me,
and
whoever
else
did
the
thing
that
I
want
to
bring
up
further
and
then
I'll
leave
it
be.
Is
when
I
ask
I
ask
a
lot
of
people.
Why
do
you
run
for
City
councils?
Sometimes
they
complain.
They
don't
like.
You
know
my
answers
on
city
council
and
they
say
well.
Why
don't
you
run,
but
sometimes
I
really
mean
it
and
most
of
the
time
for
women
it
is
they
cannot
take.
They
don't
have
that
time.
They
have
their
kids,
they
have
their
job.
They
have.
P
You
know
a
lot
of
things
that
they're
doing
so
I
feel
like
in
our
community
engagement
asking
you
know,
I'm,
not
saying
mental
juggle
as
well.
So
forgive
me
for
that.
All
the
men
who
juggle,
but
maybe
asking
the
person
that
like
takes
care
of
the
kids
it's
hard
to
get
people
with
little
kids
on
Council
or
I,
mean
how
in
the
world
do
they
do
it
because
of
the
time.
P
You
know
asking
people
why
it
is
that
they
cannot
conceive
themselves
running
for
counseling
and
one
might
be
because
of
the
get
a
lot
of
mean
emails.
Okay,
that
might
be.
But
besides
that
it
I
think
time
has
got
to
be
a
component
for
equity
and
for
people
specifically
that
work
and
have
kids
as
well.
J
Yeah
and
agreed
the
time
Equity
needs
to
be
I.
Think
the
piece
of
this
conversation,
and
so.
A
J
An
ongoing
one
that
we
can
have
about
how
to
make
this
a
more
manageable
role,
but
I
do
I,
do
appreciate
you
all
bringing
this
forward.
I
do
think
it's
worth
exploring
I
mean
think
about
members
of
the
community
for
whom
you
know
the
they
do
have
a
job.
They
were
not
going
to
quit
their
job
to
run
for
Council,
but
for
whom
it's
a
real
stretch,
and
you
know
this
could
cover
costs.
J
Some
members
of
our
community
I
do
agree,
though,
that
we
need
Outreach
to
talk
to
people
who
might
be
in
that
situation
to
to
learn
more
and
not
not
just
assume
so
I'm
gonna
go
for
that
middle
realm
of
starting
to
look
into
it,
but
but
not
trying
to
go
for
it
this
year
and
doing
some
additional
Outreach
I
think
that's
a
good
way
to
go
and.
H
J
I'll
just
say:
yeah,
the
mayor
doesn't
necessarily
need
to
get
paid
anymore.
That's
totally
fine
it.
It
does
take
more
time.
I
just
want
one
to
put
that
out
there
there,
the
number
of
additional
emails
and
phone
calls
and
meetings,
and
things
like
that.
My
my
time
commitment
jumped
up
about
25
30
after
I
assumed
that
role.
So
it's
it's
substantial,
but.
A
F
Yeah
I
I
think
Nicole
hit
on
it.
We
need
more
information,
it's
a
complicated
issue.
The
solution
may
be
some
combination
of
increased
compensation,
different
work
conditions,
shorter
hours,
that
sort
of
thing,
and
we
ought
to
be
looking
at
all
of
that
and
I
think
Rachel,
I
I
think
Aaron
is
correct,
that
the
mayor's
position
is
more
demanding
and
probably
warrants
some
differentiation
and
compensation.
F
F
O
I
just
wanted
to
ask
a
kind
of
a
jurisdictional
question,
because
it
sounds
like
they're
and
we'll
do.
O
A
straw
call
sounds
like
in
a
second,
but
it
sounds
like
there's
a
there's,
a
consensus
forming
around
doing
some
more
work
this
year
with
with
the
possibility,
with
the
possibility
of
handing
off
that
that
research
to
the
next
Council
and
they
can
consider
whether
to
put
this
in
the
2024
ballot,
but
I'm
also
hearing
a
lot
of
a
desire
to
not
only
do
more
work,
as
Nicole
suggested
on
talking
to
people
about
who
may
not
have
run
for
Council
about
how
compensation
may
have
affected
them,
but
also
a
desire
by
council
members
to
talk
about
a
workload
and
Council
efficiency.
O
Matt
and
I
took
our
our
job
as
the
charter
committee.
Pretty
seriously
in
that,
like
a
change
and
pay
for
account
for
Council
is
a
charter
amendment
that
would
have
to
go
to
the
the
voters,
how
to
reduce
Council
time
and
make
Council
more
efficient
seem
to
want
to
be
a
little
outside
of
the
boundaries
of
Charter
committee.
O
That's
not
to
say
that
that
that
job
couldn't
be
tasked
to
the
Charter
committee,
even
though
it's
not
truly
a
charter
change,
but
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
tee
that
up
that
we
don't
really
have
a
place
for
kind
of
council
efficiency
or
or
improvements
in
time
within
our
current
structure.
Unless
you
wanted
to
test
the
charter
committee
with
that
that
job
as
well.
G
I,
just
let
me
just
throw
a
qualifier
if
I
can
on
that
Rachel.
If
you
don't
mind,
one
of
the
things
that
came
through
the
some
of
the
former
council
members
weighed
in
was
the
idea
of
bringing
in
an
outside
consultant
to
help
us
really
look
at
our
process
because
we're
we
can't
it's
hard
for
us
to
see
the
forest
for
the
trees
really,
and
so
you
know
just
that.
G
That
was
something
that
came
from
them
and
their
acknowledgment
of
when
you're
in
it
it's
hard
to
really
wrap
your
head
around
what
you
are
and
aren't
doing
from
an
efficiency
perspective.
So
throwing
that
up
that
if
we
embark
on
that,
that
might
be
something
that
we
want
to
consider
to
kind
of
do
that
full
360
review
and
more
or
less
in
that
capacity.
C
Yes
and
I
I
think
it's
along
those
lines.
I
mean
I
I,
don't
want
to
presume
the
straw
poll,
but
I
am
hearing
a
desire
to
continue
to
work
on
it,
perhaps
not
for
this
year's
elections,
but
for
the
next
and
and
I
want
to
say
that
what
I'm
hearing
too,
is
this
this
notion
of
how
did
that
dovetail
a
little
bit
with
boards
and
commissions
and
wanted
to
mention?
We
do
have
a
consultant
that
is
looking
at
all
these
things
as
well.
C
That
RFP
response
is
due
on
the
17th
of
this
month,
so
next
week
and
I
think
that
there
are
similarities
as
we're
thinking
about
compensation
for
a
variety
of
efforts,
and
there
might
be
an
opportunity
if
there
is
a
nod
to
move
forward
for
us
to
develop
this
as
a
work
plan
item
to
look
at
some
of
those
places
where
this
topic
intersects,
because
I
do
think
that
it.
C
B
That
out
there
thank
you
for
that.
I'm
gonna
double
dip
a
little
bit
with
my
comments
and
then
we'll
do
the
straw
poll,
so
I
I
agree
with
Tara
and
wanted
to
point
out
that
my
recollection
is
that
at
the
2020
Retreat
we
did
there
was
a
commitment
to
shrink
the
packets,
so
I,
don't
know
what
happened
with
that,
but
obviously
they
didn't
shrink.
B
So
maybe
somebody
on
staff
could
look
back
and
see
what
what
we
agreed
to
then-
and
maybe
we
could
just
Implement
that
and
that
would
solve
some
of
this
I
I.
Think
I,
don't
think.
There's
anybody
who
wants
to
do
it
this
year,
but
just
I
I,
think
it's
probably
better
in
an
even
year
and
I.
Don't
think,
there's
a
rush,
because
no
it
doesn't
there's
there's
just
no,
no
timely
reason
to
do
it
fast.
B
B
You
know
we
and
and
Lauren
pointed
out
too
I
think
like
we
do
like
having
people
with
day
jobs
and
not
being
this,
isn't
your
life's
work,
so
I
I
think
that
that
would
possibly
change
and
and
if
we
were
full-time,
paid
or
or
paid,
you
know
if
the
community
saw
us,
as
you
know,
tripling
our
pay
and-
and
you
know,
maybe
somehow
being
I
don't
know
more.
B
The
expectations
would
go
up
and
I
think
they
are
already
high,
and
somebody
made
that
you
know
a
former
council
member
made
that
point,
and
you
know
it's:
it's
I
I,
don't
know
if
that,
if
the
trade-off
would
even
be
worth
it
for
a
lot
of
people
to
have
like
the
the
toxicity
towards
us
get
worse.
B
So,
on
the
other
hand,
like
I
I,
went
and
picked
up
some
some
beer
to
have
after
this
meeting
and
I
was
thinking
like
you
know
this.
This
barely
pays
for
the
beer,
like
the
meeting.
Barely
pays
for
the
beer
I
need
after
the
meeting,
because
it's
a
terrible
wage
that
we
get
so
it
you
know
it
should
be
raised
and
and
okay.
So
let's
do
our
straw
poll
who
would
like
to
move
forward
with
this
to
get
it
on
the
2023
ballot.
B
B
G
Right
and
it
sort
of
goes
back
to
Bob's
question-
is
the
will
of
council
to
send
the
fair
pay
for
Council
conversation
back
to
the
Charter
committee
for
us
to
then
work
with
staff
to
move
forward,
and
does
this
so
that's
the
first
question.
The
second
is
we're
not
including
any
of
the
sort
of
good
governance
and
efficiencies
in
this.
That's
that's
a
separate
thing
to
flag
and
lift
up
at
a
different
time.
I
just
want
to
be
clear
for
Bob
and
I's
efforts.
B
B
To
2023.,
okay,.
P
B
Up
I
think
colloquy
on
that
and
then
I'll
come
to
you
Lauren
I
think
maybe
Nicole
mentioned
boards
and
commissions
might
be
a
good
committee
to
this.
This
conversation
with
just
as
oversight
but
Lauren.
What's
your
question
or
thought.
K
Well,
I
mean
I'm
just
thinking
if
we're
trying
to
do
Outreach
to
you,
know
people
who
weren't
don't
feel
like
they're,
financially
able
to
run
for
Council
now.
I
do
think
that,
having
a
more
broad
conversation
about
what
that
means
is
important
to
finding
a
solution
that
makes
it
actually
work
for
people.
K
I
One
of
the
things
I'm
just
working
at
thinking
about
because
I
mean
these
do
kind
of
tie
together
right.
Essentially,
what
we're
talking
about
is
how
do
we
make
being
on
Council
a
slightly
easier
left
for
everybody
who's
here,
as
well
as
the
people
who
are
not
yet
here
and
I'm
wondering
about
Tara?
So
you're,
probably
not
going
to
like
this,
because
you
just
sent
out
a
hotline,
but
what
about
you
know
a
working
group
or
something
that
could
kind
of
hold
all
of
this
together,
because
they
are
really
interrelated
right.
I
This
idea
of
what
we're
paying
this
idea
of
you
know
how
much
work
we're
we're
having
to
do
efficiency
is
something
that's
all
kind
of
tied
together
in
how
we're
making
Council
more
accessible
to
a
broader
swath
of
people
in
our
community,
so
I'm
loading.
That
idea,
even
though
Tara
I
know
you
just
we're
just
talking
about
how
we
have
too
many
committees
and
things
my.
O
Bob
yeah
I
agree
with
Lauren
and
Nicole
I
think
these
are
related
and
it
it
doesn't
matter
to
me
who,
who
you
tasked
this
to.
If
you
want
to
test
the
charter
committee,
both
both
the
question
of
compensation
and
the
question
of
workload
and
efficiency,
or
if
you
want
to
create
a
working
group
or
something
like
that,
it
doesn't
matter
to
me
who
does
it,
but
I
do
think
that
Laura,
Nicole
or
right,
these
are
intertwined
and
I
would
hate
to
have
two
different
groups
working
on
each
side
of
the
equation.
B
So
I
wonder
if
we
could
ask
staff
to
come
up
with
the
direction
and
like
a
work
plan
and
and
bring
it
back,
and
maybe
you
know
start
with
running
it
by
a
charter
Committee
in
that
they're
going
to
have
at
least
a
piece
of
it
and
then
bring
it
back
to
us
and
then
I
see
Matt's
got
to
stand
up
now
too.
G
Thanks
my
only
quite
my
only
question
or
concern
is
the
the
fair
pay
stuff
is
pretty
Narrow
Lane
there's
some
Outreach,
but
we
kind
of
already.
You
know
we
kind
of
have
that
we
kind
of
have
the
bull
by
the
horns.
More
or
less
the
whole.
G
The
efficiencies
and
good
governance
is,
is
a
beast
and
I'm
only
worried
that
once
we
open
Pandora's
Box,
it
becomes
such
a
significant
work
item
that
we're
gonna
have
to
start
taking
other
things
off
for
staff
to
be
able
to
really
really
dive
in
so
I
just
want
to
just
recognize
that
adding
that
could
potentially
really
have
some
other
impacts
with
regards
to
work,
because
it
is
when
you
hear
from
former
council
members
all
the
different
tentacles,
it
becomes
really
large
unto
itself
so
I
I
just
want
to
put
that
out.
There.
C
Absolutely,
and
and
what
I'll
say
is
that,
if
it
is
the
will
of
counsel,
we
are
happy
to
do
that
with
council
members,
Benjamin
and
Yates
just
to
make
sure
that
we
too
are
hearing
sort
of
what
they
heard
as
part
of
that
huge
conversation.
So
if
we
have
to
scope
it
broader,
narrow
or
phase
it
that
we're
making
sure
that
we're
bringing
you
a
holistic
sense
of
what
that
would
take
and
and
I
think
we're
getting,
the
sense
of
council
is
really
interested
in
a
variety
of
things.
J
O
I
was
just
gonna,
make
a
process
suggestion
I
love
what
Nuria
said,
and
we
do
have
a
placeholder
on
our
June
22nd
calendar
to
talk
more
about
ballot
measures,
and
so
perhaps
I'm
going
to
suggest
that
if
Maria
thinks
that
that
staff
might
be
able
to
scope
this
a
little
bit
and
we
could
we
could
squeeze
in
one
or
two
Charter
committee
meetings
later
in
May
and
early
June.
O
We
can
at
least
come
back
to
Council
on
the
22nd
of
June
kind
of
have
a
little
bit
of
a
scoping
discussion,
and
then
Council
can
have
a
conversation
about
whether
this
both
sides
of
this
equation
want
to
be.
You
want
to
task
it
to
the
Charter
committee.
You
want
to
have
a
working
group.
It
doesn't
really
matter
to
me,
but
we
could.
We
could
at
least
keep
keep
the
momentum
going
and
come
back
on
June
22nd,
with
least
some
preliminary
thoughts.
C
Think
it
certainly
does
we
can
do
that.
I
am
I,
am
not
certain
and
we'll
talk
to
staff
that
we
actually
have
the
ability
to
do
the
engagement
enough
of
this
year
in
the
depth
that
you
all
have
indicated
that
you
would
like,
but
certainly
wanna
move
forward
want
to
be
able
to
scope
that
appropriately,
and
certainly
there
can
be
time
in
June
to
say
whether
or
not
that
is
correct
or
whether
or
not
there's
a
difference
of
opinion.
So
I'm.
B
B
No
engagement
prior
to
June
22nd
but
scoping
and
getting
it
yeah
turn
it
around.
Okay,
I
show
of
hands
for
all
that
are
fine.
With
that
approach
of
Staff
scoping
coming
back,
June
22nd
awesome
we're
we're
calling
this
one
cooked
who's.
This
going
back
to
Aaron,
Cara,
Nuria
I
think
it
goes
to
Cara
now.
Thank
you
all
thanks,
Aaron
and
thanks
Bob
and
Matt
for
all
your
work
on
that
and
guiding
us
through
that
presentation
too.
D
Thank
you.
So
the
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
that
a
staff
recommendations
with
regard
to
the
expiring,
.15
sales
and
use
tax
next
slide.
D
So
as
we
frame
this
up,
we
just
want
to
remind
Council
the
current
total
sales
and
use
tax
rate
for
the
city
is
3.86
percent
and
more
than
half
of
that
is
dedicated
for
other
purposes.
Specifically,
so
the
general
fund
portion
is
just
that
1.79,
so
the
expiring
0.15
is
part
of
that.
1.79
percent
next
slide
this.
As
we
have
said
in
the
prior
agenda
item
and
this,
it
expires
at
the
end
of
2024..
D
And,
as
we
have
I
think
shared,
we
feel
quite
strongly
that
this
is
critical
general
fund,
Revenue
Source.
It
supports
General
activities
and
that
if
it
was
not
renewed
or
dedicated
to
a
specific
purpose,
it
would
create
a
budget
Gap,
potentially
necessitating
cuts
to
programs
and
the
related
Staffing.
We
think
it's
really
important
to
have
this
discussion
one
year
ahead
of
expiration.
D
It
gives
us
opportunity
to
hear
from
voters
and
through
polling,
so
we
do
have
quite
a
bit
of
recommendation
on
the
next
slide
with
regard
to
polling,
and
we
would
recommend
an
item
be
placed
on
this
year's
ballot.
That
gives
us
another
opportunity
next
year.
Should
we
need
it?
D
So,
with
regard
to
polling,
we
would
recommend
a
staff,
a
long-term
extension
of
an
undedicated
tax.
Again,
we
would
recommend
a
non-exclusive
list
of
uses,
but
to
include
a
list,
as
was
done
in
2003.
D
We
would
recommend
that
polling
could
possibly
test
a
couple
different
iterations
of
lists
of
uses,
and
we
would
recommend
Consulting
again
with
the
polling
expert.
With
regard
to
that,
we
would
recommend
polling
different
lengths
of
time.
We
would
recommend
a
minimum
of
20
years,
as
that
was
the
length
of
time
that
was
approved
last
time,
but
potentially
maybe
20,
30
or
a
permanent
tax,
and
just
want
to
highlight
that
Boulder
County
does
have
recent
success
with
a
permanent
tax,
so
that
could
be
an
option
we
also
just
anytime.
D
A
tax
expires
want
to
raise
the
option
of
is
the
amount
that
is
expiring,
the
amount
that
we
want
to
ask
to
renew,
or
should
we
consider
an
additional
amount
so
just
want
to
raise
that
up
to
council,
we
again
would
say
undedicated,
but
with
regard
to
the
overall
sales
tax
rate,
we
are
currently
pretty
much
at
the
top
of
the
region.
The
rate
is
actually
now
above
nine
percent,
the
total
rate
because
of
the
County's
increase
in
their
sales
tax
rate.
That
was
effective.
The
first
of
this
year.
D
There
are
not
many
counties
on,
or
regions
on,
the
Front
Range
that
are
above
nine
percent.
There
are
some
Mountain
communities
that
have
gone
beyond
10,
but
but
for
the
most
part
we
feel
like
10
is
sort
of
the
perceived
limit
and
we're
quite
close
to
that
already.
D
We
also
have
concerns
with
regard
to
sales
tax,
and
it
was
mentioned
in
the
earlier
presentation.
We
we
think
we
are
out
of
balance
with
regard
to
sales,
tax
and
other
Revenue
sources,
particularly
property
tax.
D
D
As
you
know,
it
has
been
recommended,
beginning
with
the
blue
ribbon
commission,
to
try
to
rebalance
our
Revenue
sources,
particularly
between
sales,
tax
and
property
tax,
that
there
we
could
pull
and
hear
voter
sentiment
with
regard
to
the
idea
of
converting
the
0.15
sales
tax
to
an
equivalent
property
tax
over
time.
Maybe
a
small
increment
over
a
long
period
of
time.
That
would
result
in
homeowners
feeling
a
small
impact
each
time
it
shift.
It
shifted,
and
we
do
think
that
would
address
some
of
that
rebalancing
in
the
equity
and
financial
sustainability
issues.
D
But
we
also
do
recognize
that
this
is
sort
of
a
challenging
time
to
be
potentially
asking
voters
about
that
with
the
property
tax
assessments
that
were
recently
released
and
and
the
uncertainty
with
regard
to
their
property
tax
bills,
but
wanted
to
raise
that
as
an
option.
D
And
so
they
are,
do
you
agree
with
the
recommendation
to
explore
a
2023
ballot
measure?
D
B
The
computer
booted
me
a
little
bit
through
part
of
it,
so
if
I,
if
I
disappear
again
or
if
I'm
really
glitchy,
somebody
else
should
just
take
the
reins.
I
guess
and
everybody
is
a
little
bit.
Can
you
all
hear
me
great
good?
Okay,
so
any
questions
for
Staff
first.
D
M
I
think
that
the
next
one
is
it's
an
expiring.
Well,
it's
a
transportation,
dedicated
tax
that
converts
to
general
fund
in
2029.
That's
the
net!
That's
the
next
one
that
has
a
voter
action
on
it.
D
General
purpose,
general
fund
tax,
expiring,
I
think
the
next
expiration
of
attacks
that
I
I
consider
sort
of
general
purpose
is
the
ccrs
tax
and
that
was
approved
for
a
15-year
term.
So
that
would
be
off
in
the
future,
but
that
is
for
general
purpose
and
capital.
B
O
Yes,
Carl
all
great
questions
and
I
agree
that
we
should
pull
I.
Think
your
polling
questions
are
right,
particularly
the
iteration
one
iteration
of
uses,
because,
as
we're
going
to
talk
about
here
in
a
few
minutes,
we
may
have
a
competing
ballot
measure
on
that
would
dedicate
this
tax.
It
would
take
it
away
from
a
general
fund
and
dedicate
the
tax.
O
So
I
think
it'd
be
helpful
for
us
to
understand
what
the
community
thinks
about
various
uses,
including
that
particular
use,
because
obviously,
that
use
pulls
very
highly
that
could
have
some
impact
on
the
competition
between
our
general
fund
ballot
measure
and
the
potential
dedicated
which
we're
going
to
talk
about
in
a
second
I.
Do
think
it'd
be
helpful
to
talk
to
the
voters
or
pull
the
voters
on
the
difference
between
a
send
setting
tax
versus
a
permanent
tax.
O
I
think
whoever
said
Center
City
Council
in
2020
2043
will
thank
us
for
that
will
not
be
around
by
then,
but
so,
let's
maybe
pull
on
that
I
I
as
much
as
I
would
love
to
have
a
conversation
with
the
community
about
shifting
from
sales,
tax
or
property
tax.
For
all
the
reasons
you
said,
I'm
not
sure
this
is
the
right
time
to
do
that.
O
I
think
people
are,
oddly,
understandably,
about
property
tax
assessments
and
increases
and
I
I'm
afraid
that
a
tax
ballot
measure
that
proposes
to
shift
from
sales
tax
to
property
taxes
as
wise.
It
may
be
for
a
whole
bunch
of
reasons,
including
making
our
taxes
less
regressive.
I
think
has
a
risk
of
failure.
So
I,
probably
we
can
pull
on
it
if
you
want,
but
I
probably
wouldn't
be
in
favor
of
of
Shifting.
That
now
I
think
Lauren
asks
the
absolutely
right
question,
which
is
when's
our
next
opportunity
to
do
that.
I
Thanks
I
just
get
the
questions
up.
Yes,
definitely.
A
I
Agree
with
the
recommendation
to
ask
voters
to
really
want
to
extend
the
tax
regarding
polling,
I,
I,
think
I
think
you're
on
the
right
track.
The
the
only
thing
I'm
just
wondering
about
is:
is
this
an
opportunity
for
us
to
get
some
information
on
a
general
strategy
of
moving
away
from
a
dedicated
tax
or
from
dedicated
taxes
to
more
General
taxes
and
I?
I
The
other
thing
that
that
I
would
like
to
see
is
I
would
like
to
see
some
polling
data
on
the
property
converting
to
property
tax,
not
necessarily
because
we're
going
to
do
that
this
year,
but
because
I
think
there
again
it's
a
useful
Baseline
for
thinking
about
where
we're
at
thinking
about
you
know
what
hesitations
may
be
because
I,
you
know,
I
definitely
hear
you
all
very
much,
and
you
know
we
saw
the
impacts
of
being
so
heavily
sales
tax
during
covid
and
I.
I
J
Yeah
I'll
generally
agree
with
what
Bob
and
Nicole
have
just
said.
I'll
just
highlight
a
couple
of
the
points.
One
is
to
be
very
interested
in
the
polling
on
the
non-sun
sitting
tax,
because
I
think
that
would
be
great
to
do.
If
the
voters
are
supportive
of
not
sunsetting
it
and
then
you
know,
I
think
it
wouldn't
hurt
to
find
out
from
the
voters
about
switching
to
property
taxes.
I
agree
with
Bob
I.
Don't
think
that
this
is
the
year
to
do
that,
but
I
think
we
could.
A
K
You
stole
my
idea:
Aaron
no
I'm
just
kidding,
but
that
was
gonna
be
what
I
I
was
gonna,
say
yeah,
basically
in
line
with
what
everyone
else
has
said
and
yeah
I
think
that
in
the
long
range
we
should
look
at
trying
to
transition
to
Less
sales
tax
and
was
thinking
about.
K
But
I
don't
know
if
we
need
to
pull
on
it
now
or
not,
but
because
again,
I
think
that
it
would
be
in
poor
taste
to
do
that
right
now,
but
in
the
future
we
should
definitely
look
at
some
invalid
initiatives
to
try
and
transition
some
of
our
sales
tax
funding
to
property
tax.
B
Thanks
anyone
else,
wanna
weigh
in
on
the
three
questions
that
are
being
asked.
B
I
will
say:
I
generally
agree
with
everything
that's
been
said
and
yeah
I
think
polling
right
now
might
might
be
a
little
raw
and
and
produce.
You
know
answers
that.
That
might
not
be
long-term,
accurate,
because
I
think
that
there's
a
a
lot
going
on
right
now
with
with
property
taxes,
so
I
might
I
might
hold
off
on
that
Tara.
P
Not
only
did
we
have
the
the
assessed
value
of
houses,
but
we
also
don't
forget,
have
that
Library,
the
library
tax
or
whatever
we
call
it.
So
what
I'm?
Sorry?
What's
the
word
Matt
give
me
the
word,
the
library
district.
Thank
you.
That's
great
was
not
on
purpose.
I
promise
couldn't
find
my
words,
but
I.
Don't
I
I
realized
that
sales
tax
is
somewhat
regressive,
but
also
we
do
get
our
visitors
to
pay
that
and
so
I
don't
I.
Don't
know
that.
P
It's
that
bad
of
an
idea,
I
think
people
might
be
really
overwhelmed
for
many
years
with
property
taxes,
I
just
I
I
do
like
the
idea
that
we
do
get
a
lot
of
tourists
and
they
come
and
they
spend
money,
and
so
they
help
us
by
paying
sales
tax.
So
I
don't
think
it's
all
bad.
That's
all
I
have
to
say
sorry.
B
Matt
thanks
Tara
Cara
any
any
did
we
answer
that
sufficiently?
Do
you
need
me
to
do
any
straw
polls
or
anything
else
or
to
get
what
you
need.
D
I
think
we
got
what
we
need.
I
think
we're
going
to
certainly
ask
long-term
versus
permanent,
we'll
talk
with
the
consultant
about
their
advice,
potentially
with
regard
to
the
property
to
the
shift
to
the
property
taxes.
I
think
that's
sort
of
in
the
maybe
column,
given
the
call
given
the
conversation
and
definitely
we'll
test
on
the
iteration
of
uses
and
I.
Think
that
that's
what
I
heard.
B
Sounds
good
to
me:
everyone
is
now
Frozen
other
than
Cara
for
me,
so
my
internet's
down
I'm
I'm,
going
off
of
my
phone
porting
over
to
my
computer.
So
hopefully
I
will
will
wrap
this
up.
Quick
and
I
can
stay,
but
back
over
to
you
cara
for
the
next
one.
Okay,.
B
Right
and
Elisha
thanks
ahead
of
time
and
then
maybe
if,
if
my
computer
dies,
Matt
I
think
you
were
gonna
lead
some
of
this
discussion.
So
if
I
disappear,
maybe
you
can
take
the
reins.
G
Sure
thing
I,
we'll
see
if
I
can
live
up
to
the
mighty
bar
youth
set
yeah.
S
S
We
have
two
petitions
now
circulating
within
the
city
for
our
voters
to
endorse
or
not
indoors
the
first
one
I
want
to
bring
to
your
attention,
of
course,
is
the
safe
zone
for
kids.
That
petition
is
asking
to
amend
the
BRC
section
8-3-21,
which
is
related
to
prohibiting
items.
S
This
will
be
adding
a
chapter
to
that
particular
section
of
the
BRC,
and
that
would
be
sub
section
c,
as
noted
here
on
your
slide.
That
petition
was
approved
for
circulation.
By
Me
on
March,
21st
and
I.
Do
want
to
just
take
a
moment
to
appreciate
my
fellow
co-workers
and
colleagues
I'm
in
the
city
attorney's
office
and
also
in
the
finance
department,
to
help
me
maneuver
through
the
petitions
this
year.
So
thank
you
for
that.
S
Everyone
both
committees
have
elected
to
use
both
the
online
petitioning
system
and
the
paper,
petitions
and
I'm
sure
you've
heard
we've
had
some
glitches
with
the
on
online
petitioning
system,
but
it
seems
to
be
working
effectively
right
now
and
both
petitions
will
require
3437
signatures
to
become
valid
and
appear
on
the
ballot
and
come
before
Council
next
slide.
Please
Emily.
S
The
next
petition
that
is
out
being
circulated
is
related
to
the
as
you've
noticed.
The
existing
0.15
sales
use
tax,
and
this
petition
is
seeking
to
renew
that
tax
and
extend
it
and
want,
and
they
want
to
earmark
it
for
a
specific
purpose
for
Arts
culture
and
Heritage.
J
Alicia,
thanks
for
all
your
efforts
and
assisting
community
members
with
us,
as
well
as
all
the
other
team
members
who
worked
on
that,
really
appreciate
helping
out
with
the
direct
democracy
question
for
you.
Is
there
a
way
for
Council
in
the
community
to
monitor
how
the
signature
Gathering
is
going
for
the
initiatives.
S
Now
that
is
strictly
between
the
committee
members.
They
have
to
prepare
a
inventory
for
us
once
they
decide
to
they're
ready
to
turn
in
their
petition
packets,
but
no,
we
don't
have
a
way
of
monitoring
how
their
endorsements
are
going
on.
We
can
look
online
with
the
bddl,
but
that
is
of
course,
the
lower
of
the
amounts,
because
people
had
trouble.
Logging
on
and
also
the
second
petition
came
in
kind
of
late,
so.
O
All
right
thanks
my
question
kind
of
a
follow-on
to
Aaron's,
Alicia,
I
I
think
they
have
both
petitioners
have
or
petition
groups
have
until
June
9th
to
submit
both
their
paper
and
electronic
versions
to
you.
Obviously,
electronic
versions
are
already
self
certifying,
but
the
paper
versions
you
have
what
five
or
ten
days
after
they
submit
in
which
to
to
check
those
and
verify
those
is
that
right.
That's.
O
Calendar
days,
so
that's
the
19th
of
June.
So
do
you
think
you
might
have
like
a
I
know?
You
won't
have
a
big
presentation
but
like
a
quick
report
to
us
when
we
come
back
and
talk
about
ballot
measures
on
the
22nd
of
June
I
know
that's
kind
of
kind
of
close
there,
but
do
you
think
it'll
be
able
to
at
least
give
us
an
oral
report?
Yes,.
S
Sir,
we
have
that
planned
because
we
are
again
scheduled
for
the
22nd
of
June,
so
you
wanna,
we
do
have
a
plan
to
give
provide
you
with
an
update
on
the
status
of
both
petitions.
I
do
want
to
note
that
the
safe
zones
for
kids
have
already
made
their
appointment
for
June
9th
to
turn
their
petitions
in
at
10
o'clock.
In
the
morning
great.
I
Thank
you
Elisha
for
this
update.
This
may
not
be
a
question
for
you
Elisha
and
Maria.
Just
let
me
know
if
this
is
not
not
the
right
question
for
right
now,
but
you
know
we
heard
that
there's
a
potential
budget
impact
of
that
0.15
dedicated
tax
measure
of
around
seven
and
a
half
million
dollars.
Is
there
an
anticipated
monetary
impact
of
the
safe
zones
measure?
So,
for
example,
would
it
require
an
increase,
for
example,
to
our
three
and
a
half
million
dollar
safe
and
managed
spaces
budget,
or
anything
else.
C
So
that's
a
good
question,
council
member
and
essentially
what
that
measure
does
would
attempt
to
codify
what
we're
currently
doing
in
practice.
C
It
I
believe
that
it
will,
as
we
continue
and
with
the
staff,
that
we
have,
that
we
continue
to
prioritize
certain
areas,
and
we
will
do
that
if
at
some
point
there
is
a
policy
direction
to
do.
Even
more
of
that.
That
is
a
budgetary
request
that
we
will
take
to
you
separately
in
a
process,
but
nothing
as
I
read.
The
current
measure
would
require
that
it
doesn't
necessarily
speak
to
adding
resources,
but
it
will
also
depend
on
what
the
circumstances
are
and
how
much
as
we're
moving
into
the
future.
C
If
we
see
an
increase
in
a
need
to
address
certain
situations
in
certain
areas
than
we
as
staff
would
come
to
you
for
as
a
budgetary
request.
I
Okay
or
the
the
we
would
just
sort
of
have
less
budget
for
for
elsewhere.
J
B
Are
you,
are
you
any
anything
further
on
this
end
on
that
update.
A
D
Okie
doke,
so
the
next
is
again
an
update.
So
no
questions
for
this
one-
and
this
is
just
an
update
on
the
potential
2023
ballot
measures
for
the
state
and
the
region
slide.
D
So
what
we
have
heard
from
Boulder
County
is,
they
are
not
yet
decided.
They
may
have
a
sales
tax
extension
question.
Their
sales
tax
also
is
expiring
at
the
end
of
2024,
so
they
may
may
or
may
not
put
it
on
the
the
ballot
this
fall.
They
will
likely
decide
after
some
polling
and
when
they
have
their
behavioral
health
roadmap
in
place.
D
Currently,
there
are
19
initiatives
that
have
titles
set
and
are
out
collecting
signatures,
four,
that
limit
property
tax
revenues
and
those
first
three
are
all
Constitutional
Amendments,
some
of
those
have
more
stringent
signature
requirements
and
then,
if
they
are
on
the
ballot,
have
that
higher
threshold
of
a
55
voter
approval
to
pass
the
fourth
that
initiative
number
42
is
statutory
change
and
that
that
one
is
the
only
one
that
does
isn't
sort
of
tied
to
this
idea
of
three
percent
Revenue
growth.
D
The
first
three
are
sort
of
tied
to
that
three
percent.
Revenue
growth
in
some
way,
the
fourth
one
relates
to
assessment
rates,
so
we
will
see
if
any
of
those
four
collect
sufficient
signatures
on
and
are
on
the
ballot.
We
will
learn
that
after
August,
seventh
and
then
the
Colorado
Secretary
of
State
website
has
a
lot
of
information
with
regard
to
that
and
then
also
as
was
discussed
proposition
proposition
HH
will
be
on
the
ballot.
This
was
the
governor's
proposal.
It
was
approved
late
in
the
session
and
just
big
picture.
D
You
know
it
reduces
property
tax
assessment
rates
over
temporarily
over
a
10-year
period,
and
then
there
would
be
some
backfill
for
some
government
schools
and
local
governments,
but
as
shared
earlier,
we
would
not
expect
that.
D
J
Well,
if
I
can
thanks
those
very
helpful
car,
I'll,
just
add
one
more
possible
potential
ballot
measure
that
is
out
there,
which
is
there's
a
group
working
on
putting
an
early
childhood
Child
Care
District
measure
on
the
ballot,
so
you
kind
of
like
the
library
district
but
for
Early
Childhood,
child
care
and
they're,
looking
at
basically
pvsd
and
Stingray
Valley
School
District
boundaries
for
that
so
they're
working
with
the
Boulder
County
on
that
we
got
an
update
from
them
recently.
B
Thanks
any
other
questions,
comments
on
this
okay,
we
are
and
and
I
think
my
internet's
restored.
So
it's
nice
to
see
you
all
moving
again,
so
this
I
think
we're
on
to
city
council
recommendations
for
possible
ballot
measures.
I
might
turn
this
to
staff
or
matt.
B
G
I
I
appreciate
that
and
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
continue
to
get
feedback
from
from
Council
on
this,
as
was
sort
of
brought
up
in
the
mid-year
Retreat
one
of
the
things
that
is
clearly
in
need-
and
we've
heard
about
this
in
multiple
updates
and
study
sessions,
and
we've
heard
this
from
Judge
cook
from
Kurt
fernhobber,
and
we
certainly,
we
went
to
the
county
looking
to
address
some
of
this
in
in
an
expeditious
manner
to
meet
these
critical
needs.
G
So
nonetheless,
a
behavioral
health,
drug
addiction,
I
mean
it
can
kind
of
take
a
bunch
of
different
names,
but
really
at
the
end
of
the
day,
is
to
sort
of
meet
those
acute
needs
and
and
amplify
the
services
or
provide
services
that
we
otherwise
don't
have
or
or
need
to
do
in
greater
amount.
G
Does
it
make
sense
for
us
to
come
up
with
I
know,
Kara
and
Mark
have
have
given
us
quite
a
warning
on
dedicated
taxes,
but
here
we
are
so
I
hope
they
don't
give
me
the
laser
beam
for
bringing
one
up
anyway,
but
nonetheless
just
to
look
at
products
that
perhaps
contribute
or
exacerbate
either
mental
health,
behavior
or
addiction,
and
specifically
cannabis
alcohol
and
tobacco,
and
looking
at
taxing
those
as
a
means
of
also
funneling
that
Revenue
back
into
the
very
Support
Services.
G
That
would
help
individuals
that
that
suffer
from
those
things.
So
that
was
the
core
concept
here,
and
so
we
can
kind
of
frame
that
in
does
it
make
sense
for
us
to
to
consider
that
kind
of
Revenue
to
meet
some
of
that
need
and
in
addressing
that
staff
put
together
a
list
of
some
of
the
ideas
that
that
that
would
look
like
there
was
a
financial
analysis
of
well
okay.
G
How
much
money
do
we,
how
much
revenue
do
we
bring
in
on
these
various
different
components
and
what
would
various
different
taxing
levels
in
terms
of
Revenue
generate
the
example
we
sort
of
settled
on
is
a
one
percent
tax
on
these
products,
and
that
would
generate
roughly
about
three
million
dollars
a
year
at
our
current
standard
of
sales,
and
so,
if
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide,.
G
And
so
you
see
that
right
there
in
terms
of
a
one
percent
and
then
of
course
you
know
if
you
want
to
go
less
than
that,
then
that's
less
than
that,
but
that
gives
you
a
breakdown
of
the
component
of
liquor
versus
tobacco
versus
recreational
marijuana
and
even
Medical,
but
it
gives
you
a
sense
of
where
those
breakdowns
are
associated
in
that
capacity.
G
As
as
Kurt
and
his
team
helped
us
identify,
here
are
some
of
the
ways
in
which
we
could
use
those
generated
funds
to
meet
those
needs
that
we
have
had
ample
discussion
on
and
I
think
we
as
a
counselor
in
our
general
alignment,
that
those
are
needs
and
gaps
that
we
would
love
to
fill
and
provide
greater
services
for,
and
you
can
see
that
list
here
in
terms
of
continuing
crisis
response.
G
And
so
what
we'll
kind
of
just
leave
leave
this
here
for
a
minute.
What
I
would
also
frame
is
a
lot
of
the
work
that
we
are
proposing
here
with
the
behavioral
health
tact
has
already
been
mentioned.
Tonight
is
something
that
the
county
is
starting
to
pursue
with
their
roadmap,
and
so
it
really
kind
of
begs
the
question
and
we've
again
had
this
conversation
with
our
County
Commissioner
colleagues.
G
We
don't
know
what
that
looks
like,
and
so
the
question
is:
while
we
wait
to
figure
that
out,
does
it
make
sense
for
us
to
act
on
our
acute
and
immediate
needs
and
if
they
once
they
figure
out
what
they
are
doing
on
some
time
frame,
maybe
that
gets
folded
in
maybe
they
take
over
the
work
that
we've
started.
I
think
that
remains
to
be
seen
and
so
really
there's
a
fundamental
question
of
is
one
in
the
hand
better
than
two
in
the
bush
and
I.
G
Think
that's
a
question
for
all
of
us
to
sort
of
answer
on
whether
we
choose
to
pursue
this
going
forward.
I
I
will
say
that
that
in
the
last
week,
or
so,
there
was
sort
of
a
potential
added
potential
use
of
funds
that
I
do
want
to
throw
out
there.
A
pardon
that
I
didn't
get
a
hotline
out.
G
I
talked
to
some
of
you
guys
prior
to
council,
because
it
sort
of
came
in
late
by
a
few
folks
that
didn't
really
have
the
time
to
to
talk
about
this
in
great
length
ahead
of
time,
and
it's
really
about
thinking
about
how
do
we
create
more
of
those
sort
of
Recovery
House
model
that
can
be
a
gateway
to
transitional
and
then
permanent
housing
I
know
we're
bringing
one
and
hopefully
a
second
tribe
into
Boulder,
and
the
county
is
doing
some
others,
but
maybe
using
this
money
to
really
funnel
money
into
lifting
more
of
those
up,
so
that
we
can
really
route
people
who
otherwise
are
suffering
from
really
acute
behavior
of
mental
health
and
drug
addiction
and
instead
of
them
either
lingering
on
the
streets
and
further,
you
know
suffering
in
that
capacity
or
worse,
off,
ending
up
in
jail,
which
is
not
the
the
place
we
want
them
to
go
can
create
greater
capacity
to
Route
them
in
a
place
that
gets
them
off
the
streets
and
into
dedicated
more
full-time
support
services.
G
So
that's
something
that
wasn't
on
the
list,
but
I
think
something
is
worth
considering
and
it
certainly
folds
into
some
of
the
conversations
that
are
being
had
with
our
D.A
Michael
Doherty
and
some
some
conversations
with
judge
cook
around
you
know.
G
Do
we
want
to
have
some
of
this
routed
through
sort
of
a
pardon
the
word,
but
but
really
some
sort
of
like
mental
health
courts
and
other
added
programming
to
Munich
Court
to
kind
of
help,
divert
people
into
this
sort
of
programming
and
keep
them
off
the
streets
and
out
of
jail.
G
So
that's
something
to
sort
of
think
about,
and
anyway,
just
want
to
frame
that,
but
tonight's
questions
really
Center
kind
of
like
they
were
with
Fair
pay
for
Council,
which
is
kind
of
this
red,
yellow,
green
light
aspect
of
is
a
behavioral
health
Tech,
something
we
want
to
eat.
You
know
to
stop
dead
in
our
tracks
and
say
yep,
no,
more,
we'll
just
rely
on
the
city
to
meet
or
the
county
to
meet
our
needs.
We're
good
there.
G
Is
it
a
yellow
to
say,
hey,
let's
continue
to
cook
this
for
a
while
and
maybe
consider
this
a
down
the
road
or
green
light
say:
hey,
look,
Let's.
Let's
maybe
pick
a
couple
tracks.
Maybe
there
maybe,
let's
have
staff
come
back
with
two
options
that
are
two
different
uses
or
combinations
of
uses
for
attacks
and
then
come
back
to
us
in
a
little
bit
with
that,
and
then
we
can
decide
which
one
which
package
we
want
to
then
lift
on
the
ballot
or
something
like
that.
G
B
Great
thanks
for
that:
let's
do
it.
Does
anyone
have
questions
for
Matt
or
staff
on
this
proposal.
O
Really
question
for
staff:
I
don't
know
if
Kurt
is
on
or
somebody
from
Human
Services,
but
I
guess.
The
question
is
is
programmatically.
If
this
was
to
go
forward,
is
this
your
next
year?
Whether
staff
is
would
be
ready
to
to
put
the
money
to
good
use
and
could
frame
up
what
the
program
would
look
like?
O
Who
would
benefit
what
qualifications
they
would
need
to
be
to
be
in
these
programs
and
and
how
many
people
we
could
could
benefit
because
I'm
sure
those
are
all
kind
of
questions
that
that
voters
would
ask
whether
it
was
on
the
ballot
this
year
next
year
and
I'm,
just
wondering
kind
of
a
level
of
effort
question
to
staff
about
how
quickly
they
could
kind
of
be
prepared
to
answer
some
of
those
questions.
C
Kurt
was
in
the
virtual
house,
but
I'll
say
I
do
not
know
if
he
is
able
to
answer.
He
was
not
feeling
well
this
evening
feel.
O
B
Interesting
rhetorical
question:
question
Nicole
and
then
Lauren.
I
G
Oh,
it's
a
good
good
question,
Nicole,
largely
because
you
know
these
are
known
to
exacerbate
many
of
those
existing
behavioral
mental
health
and
and
drug
addiction,
and
so
thinking
that
the
items
that
contribute
or
exacerbate
those
those
things
that
people
are
dealing
with
taxing
them
and
then
routing
that
money
back
in
to
supporting
and
and
helping
people
with
those
exact
issues.
And
so
it
was
sort
of
meant
to
be
a
very
sort
of
circular
and
and
positive
feedback
loop.
G
With
regards
to
investing
that
money
right
back
in
to
meeting
those
communities
that
are
that,
are
you
know,
dealing
with
those
acute
mental
health
and
drug
addiction.
B
And
if
I
colloquate
on
that
Nicole
I,
don't
know
if
you
had
another
question
too
but
I
you
know,
maybe
it's
because
you
know
you
all
know
that
I
have
beer
in
my
fridge
for
after
this
meeting,
and
so
you
know
tend
towards
alcohol
myself,
but
I
I,
guess
I
wonder
if
alcohol
and
tobacco
are
really
kind
of
in
the
same
class
as
like
high
potency
THC
in
terms
of
maybe
triggering
any
of
these
issues
and
and
like
if
it's
drug
addiction,
I'm,
not
sure
I
can
I
wonder.
B
Is
it
really
the
tether
there
from
tobacco
and
alcohol
and
marijuana
to
the
kind
of
like
meth
addiction
is
I?
Think
what
we're
probably
trying
to
treat
in
fentanyl?
So
do
we
have
to
have
a
tether
and
are
all
three
of
those
really
like
the
same
for
this
purposes
of
this
discussion.
B
G
It's
probably
for
answer,
but
I
can
just
say
interesting
in
terms
of
formulating
this.
It
was
really
just
a
matter
of
what.
What
do
we
tax
to
generate
a
revenue
to
do
anything
meaningful
and,
as
you
saw
in
that
Financial
slide,
you
know,
half
of
the
revenue
is
generated
by
alcohol
sales.
So
you
know
you
strip
that
out,
then
all
of
a
sudden
you've
got
to
then
dramatically
amplify
attacks
on
cannabis.
G
Then
the
challenge
is:
do
we
then
become
non-competitive
with
regards
to
our
cannabis
tax
thing,
where
we're
so
sufficiently
higher
than
our
sister
cities
we're
driving
business
out
of
our
community
entirely
so
I
think
there's
there's
a
a
balancing
act
that
we
want
to
do
to
create
some
Equity
among
those
products,
but
also
not
be
really
disproportionate
on
one.
That
then
has
a
massive
adverse
response
in
terms
of
consumer
or
consumption
of
those
products
and
the
revenue
that's
generated
accordingly.
K
K
You
know
that
sometimes
addiction
and
mental
health
and
can
put
people
in
situations
where
they
are
in
our
carceral
system,
going
through
our
course,
and
things
like
that
and
I
was
just
wondering
in
terms
of
costs
that
we
might
recoup
things
that
might
not
be
spent.
Do
is,
can
we
quantify
like,
in
terms
of
costs
the
jail
or
to
our
court
system?
What
Boulder
pays
in
terms
of
tickets
and
incarceration
related
to
mental
and
health
and
addiction.
C
I
mean
I
think
you're
right
that
we
don't
know
the
answer
to
that.
But
if
there
is
an
ask
to
see
what
we
could,
we
don't
have
control
of
all
that
information.
But
we
can
certainly
take
that
back
and
see
if
we
can
provide
a
a
response.
B
I
had
just
one
question
again
sort
of
following
the
three
you
know
different
entities
apart.
Do
we
have
any
information
on
how
the
new
state
law
is
impacting
local
kind
of
mom-and-pop
liquor
stores,
because
I
think
that
we
we
enabled
the
the
bigger
box
I,
don't
know
grocery
stores
to
serve
or
to
sell
more
classes
of
of
alcohol
and
I
I
have
heard
that
that
some
of
the
independent
shops
have
been
hit
hard
by
that.
So
just
want
to
understand.
As
to
the
alcohol
portion
of
this
are
we
do?
D
This
is
Cara.
We
have
not
looked
at
that
exactly,
but
we,
we
probably
could
do
some
of
that
analysis
if
it
I'd
have
to
talk
with
city
attorney's
office,
sort
of
see,
if
that
that's
an
appropriate
use
of
our
data,
to
sort
of
do
that
analysis
sort
of
Crossing.
Is
it
outside
the
bounds
of
administration,
of
the
sales
tax
so
I?
Don't
we
can
look
at
that.
B
Okay,
thanks
I'll
save
the
rest
of
mine
for
comments
and
discussions.
So
maybe,
let's
put
do
we
put
the
questions
back
up.
B
Okay,
well
and
y'all
can
look
at
chat,
but
let's
just
go
through
and
share
our
thoughts
and
answer
the
questions.
As
we
go
on
this
one
I
know:
Nicole
had
some
I
don't
see
a
hand
up
yet.
I
Okay,
thank
you,
so
I
think
with
the
the
direction
about
pulling
for
a
potential
behavioral
health
tax
on
specific
products,
I'm
not
particularly
interested
in
that
one
just
because
more
than
Alcohol
Tobacco
and
marijuana,
it's
poverty
and
Trauma,
especially
during
childhood,
that
are
huge
factors
in
vulnerability
to
mental
illness
and
addiction.
I
I
think,
if
we're
going
to
be
collecting
more
funds
for
Behavioral
Health,
I'd,
really
like
to
focus
on
taxing
those
who
are
contributing
to
poverty
in
our
community
Through
low
wages
through
an
affordable
housing.
This
was
another
one
of
the
things
that
I
brought
up
at
a
retreat
last
year.
That
crashed
and
burned
was
the
idea
of
a
head
tax
for
large
companies
that
aren't
paying
their
workers
here
a
living
wage
to
offset
some
of
the
impacts
of
economic
inequality
in
our
community.
I
So
I
would
really
like
us
to
think
a
little
bit
more
about
how
we
can
get
to
get
to
some
of
the
things
that
are
that
are
really
leading
more
to
behavioral
health
issues
than
than
than
substance
use,
and
so
I
would
say,
then
no
to
the
proposed
ballot,
language
and
the
I.
Think.
I
Oh
sorry,
and
one
more
thing,
just
related
to
kind
of
collecting
another
tax,
I'd,
really
like
to
see
how
our
outcomes
based
budgeting
goes
and
kind
of
get
that
underway
before
we
go
after
more
taxes,
I'd
like
to
see
if
we
can
spend
our
money
differently
so
that
we're
having
more
positive
impacts
on
the
the
priorities
that
we
have,
which
are
outcomes
based
budgeting,
should
start
telling
us
within
the
next
couple
of
years,
I
also
kind
of
hesitate
to
think
about
doing
a
targeted
tax
and
Matt.
I
You
kind
of
mentioned
this
in
your
presentation
too,
when
we
just
said
that
we
should
be
moving
away
for
dedicated
taxes
and
thinking
about
you
know,
balancing
our
Tower
Revenue
structure
in
a
way
that
is
more
equal
yeah.
So
that's
that's!
That's!
Basically,
where
I'm
at
and
I
I
don't
have
any
other
potential
measures
to
raise
for
discussion.
B
P
I
am
not
against
this
idea,
specifically
if
it
can
help
pay
for
the
date
Center,
because
I
feel
like
we're
going
to
have
problems
with
our
budget.
We
definitely,
as
somebody
said,
one
of
Staff
said
we
have
more
needs
than
we
do
money
so
I'm,
not
against
it
more
so
the
problem
I
think
with
the
the
tribe
with
the
recovery
centers.
Is
we
don't
know
how
they're
going
to
go
so
we
didn't
even
have
one
yet
and
now
we're
gonna
have
three
I
suggest
we
wait
to
see
how
that
goes.
P
You
know,
will
it
be
successful?
Will
it
not
be
successful,
but
we
do
know
that
we
have
a
needs
for
the
day
shelter,
but
I
also
do
want
to
hear
from
Kurt
and
people
from
HHS
about
their
opinion,
so
we
can
be
in
alignment
with
them
as
well.
I
think
that
we
I
tend
to
be
whatever
the
middle
is.
Is
that
orange?
What
color
was
that
orange.
P
Well,
then,
yellow
because
we
do
need
more
information
and
I
I
feel
like
it's
a
good
possibility,
but
we
just
need
more
info
as
as
far
as
we
also
don't
want
to
take
the
incentive
for
the
county
to
do
something,
certainly
because
they
hopefully
will
should
carry
the
lift,
especially
yeah,
we're
going
to
be
having,
hopefully,
a
mental
attacks,
a
dedicated
tax
to
see
if
we
can
use
it
for
the
same
very
same
things:
As
We
Know,
that's
all
I
have
to
say.
J
Yeah
well
I
think
this
idea
has
promise,
because
the
need
for
substance,
abuse
and
mental
health
treatment
in
our
community
is
so
deep
and
vast,
and
the
resources
that
we
currently
have
are
so
inadequate
to
the
task.
So
I
I
think
that
that
this
has
promised
as
an
approach
to
to
make
some
progress
on
on
these
deep,
deep
problems
in
our
community.
So
I
would
definitely
pull
on
it
and
see
what
the
responses
that
we
get
and
then
we
could
go
from
there.
J
D
So
we
have
done
an
initial
reach
and
plan
based
upon
your
direction
tonight,
plan
to
develop
a
scope
of
work
that
we
will
release
on
Monday
and
have
a
short
turnaround
on
an
RFP
to
get
somebody
in
place
so
we're
trying
to
move
as
quickly
as
we
can
so
it
it
I.
Don't
think
we
PR
it
will
be
tight
for
the
June,
22nd
I
think,
but
there's
potential.
J
O
Well,
you
like
Aaron.
It
would
be
great
if
you
pull,
especially
if
that
information
will
be
back
by
the
22nd,
but
even
if
that's
not
possible,
a
a
different
parallel
path
is
Murray.
I,
wonder
if
we
could
ask
her
to
his
team
to
come
back
to
us
on
the
22nd
of
June
or
thereabouts,
to
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
the
uses
of
funds
and
how
they
would
be
spent
and
who
they
would
serve
both
of
the
type
of
people,
but
also
numbers.
O
O
I
also
think
that
if
we
have,
if
we
renew
this
discussion
on
the
22nd
of
June
or
sometime
in
mid
to
late
June,
we
may
have
a
better
idea
of
where
the
county
is
on
this,
because
I
think
we've
all
had
conversations
with
each
other
about
about
where
the,
where
the
county
role
in
this.
Because
I
think
these
types
of
things
that
we're
talking
about
the
uses
of
these
funds
are
traditionally
County.
Public
Health
responsibilities.
O
O
That
we
are,
which
is
I,
have
to
kind
of
make
a
decision
pretty
quick
here,
because
they
have
the
same
county
deadlines
for
the
ballot
as
we
do,
and
so
I
would
I
would
hope
or
think
that
by
mid
late
June,
the
county
will
have
decided
whether
they're
going
to
renew
their
tax
for
this
purpose,
and
that
could
have
a
pretty
big
bearing
on
whether
we
want
to
go
forward
with
a
a
parallel
tax.
This
year.
We're
not
so
I,
guess,
I'm,
I,
guess
a
request.
I
guess
to
you.
O
Nuria
is
perhaps
you
could
ask
on
the
appropriate
staff
to
to
frame
up
what
this
could
be
used
for,
but
also
to
continue
to
monitor
the
county
tax
and
bring
it.
C
Back
absolutely
thank
you,
council,
member
and
I.
Will
I
don't
want
to
commit
to
their
capacity
and
availability,
but
I
will
certainly
Circle
back
and
let
Council
know
and
make
sure
that
we
can
at
least
share
something
out
on
the
22nd.
C
P
I
want
to
agree
with
you
Rachel
and
reiterate
that
I
think
we
do
need
I
would
love
to
really
much
want
to
check
in
with
the
local
liquor
stores
and
see
if
that
did
affect
them.
I
think
that
would
make
a
big
difference.
Now
we
don't
want
to
ruin
their
lives
Etc
in
the
same
year
that
something
else
just
happened,
so
I
know
I'm
not
making
any
sense
tonight.
I'm
really
tired,
I'm.
Sorry
about
that
I'm,
not
even
I
agreed
with
me.
It
was
it.
K
I
appreciated
what
Nicole
brought
up
when
Matt
was
talking
about
what
leads
to
sort
of
the
mental
health
and
addiction
things.
My
thoughts
were
like
well
for
me,
you
know
my
job
and
cost
of
you
know.
K
Staying
in
my
house,
I
have
really
big
impacts
on
my
mental
health,
so
I
I
guess
if
we
are
going
to
pull
on
this
I,
would
like
to
see
a
bro
also
pulling
on
potentially
broader
funding
like
I
I'm,
not
particularly
interested
in
seeing
it
as
a
syntax,
because
I
don't
actually
think
that
those
things
are
as
directly
related
I
mean
they
are
in
some
aspects,
but
they
definitely
aren't
in
other
aspects
and
I.
Still
it's
not
that
I.
K
You
know
this
is
a
huge
issue
and
I
think
that
it
is
important
that
we
do
what
we
can
to
help
in
this
area.
I
am
really
curious
to
see
what
the
county
is
coming
forward
with,
and
my
guess
is
that
they
also
you
know
the
incentives
work
out
or
make
a
little
more
sense
for
them.
You
know
being
that
they
run
the
their.
K
Running
the
jail
and
things
like
that
play
a
bigger
role
in
their
budget.
When
you
know
most
city
offenses
are
not
creating
long
jail
stays,
and
things
like
that,
like
there's,
just
I,
think
that
the
alignment
of
getting
some
cost
recovery
from
some
of
the
things
that
might
be
implemented
succeeding
is
probably
makes
more
sense
for
the
county,
but
that
doesn't
mean
I'm
not
open
to
us
doing
something
here.
K
Looking
at
it,
I
just
am
more
hesitant
on
this
than
I
yeah
I
would
need
to
know
more
details
about
what
exactly
the
programs
are
and
information
like
that.
Thank
you.
G
Thanks
Rachel
for
one
I
appreciate
all
the
feedback.
That's
already
happened,
just
two
clarifiers
one
for
Tara
with
regards
to
tribe.
They
already
have
a
great
track
record.
They
have
these
lifted
up
in
Denver
and
they're.
Seeing
already
really
good
results
with
a
lot
of
folks,
they
tend
to
Route.
It
seems
a
lot
of
people
that
are
coming
out
of
jail
directly
into
tribe,
and
that
seems
to
be
a
success.
G
P
Real
quick,
what
I
meant
by
that
was
some
an
expert
in
homelessness
recently
wrote
to
me
and
said
that
she
didn't
feel
like,
even
though
tribe
was
great,
that
it
was
for
everybody.
So
whether
or
not
we
need
two
three
or
four
is
the
big
question:
if
that's
where
we
want
to
put
all
our
resources
so
just
to
be
clear
on
what
I
meant
by
that.
So
thanks
for
bringing
that
up.
G
I
appreciate
that
Clarity,
so
I'm
I'll
leave
that
to
The
Experts
to
decide
what
we
need
in
that
capacity
is
I
guess.
The
question
is
whether
we
unfurl
the
resources
to
make
any
of
that
happen
so,
and
the
other
one
was
with
regards
to
sort
of
the
County
City
tension
and
the
way
I've
kind
of
viewed
this
and
just
historically
looking
at
it.
When
the
county
lifts
up
a
program,
it
doesn't
always
meet
every
need.
We
have.
It
may
need
a
lot.
Maybe
some
there
will
be.
G
There
will
absolutely
be
gaps
in
whatever
the
county
lifts
up
to
still
our
acute
needs
in
the
city
and
so
still
at
recognizing
that
and
still
trying
to
fill
those
gaps.
There's
I
think
this.
This
could
be
not
duplicative
rather
than
complementary
to
whatever
the
county
also
lifts
up,
allowing
us
to
Pivot,
so
I
think
there's
opportunity
there
that
that
we
can
still
utilize.
B
Thanks
Matt
I'll,
say
just
a
couple
comments
and
then
Mark
I
trust
that
you
will
bring
us
home
on
comments.
B
I,
think
that
my
my
a
couple
concerns,
or
one
I'm
I'm
concerned
about
the
the
mom
and
pop
liquor
stores
and
don't
want,
like
you
know,
extra
fees.
There
I
think
that
that
they're
responsible
for
like
half
of
the
the
funds
we
would
raise
for
this
to
to
drive
people
who
are
already
going
to
the
you
know,
markets
to
Costco
or
whatever
out
of
the
city
of
Boulder
and
and
do
further
harm
to
them.
B
So
I
would
really
want
to
know
more
about
that
aspect
before
we
move
forward
with,
with
putting
another
tax
on
them.
I
also,
like
I,
think
I'm
more
and
more
inclined
for
us.
I
keep
talking
about
like
filling
the
potholes,
and
you
know.
If
we
don't
fill
our
potholes,
nobody
else
is
going
to
come
and
do
it
so,
like
I,
think
that
our
our
funds
have
to
be
focused
on
on
what
our
lane
is
and-
and
our
you
know,
I
do
think
this
is
the
County's
Lane.
B
You
know
mental
health
and
Addiction
Services
and
treatment,
and
so
I'm
worried
like
if
we,
if
we
want
to
tag
something
additional
and
I
I,
think
we
should
make
sure
that
we
are
using
it
in
a
way
that
we
are
in
our
lane
and
and
in
one
of
the
services
that
the
the
city
really
needs
to
be
providing,
because
we
we
have
a
lot
of
potholes
like
I'm
I'm,
especially
on
the
on
the
bike
paths
like
there's
a
lot
of
potholes
that
are
really
dangerous
to
bike
over
so
I
want
to
I.
B
Guess
I,
just
don't
want
us
to
like
beef
up
our
HHS.
You
know
and
and
then
create
something
that's
going
to
have
to
be.
B
You
know
continually
funded,
it's
not
going
to
be
a
pilot
like
if
we,
if
we
tax
this,
it's
it's
going
to
be
more
staff
and
a
bigger
thing
that
we're
doing
and
and
probably
the
tax
won't
won't
pay
for
all
of
it.
So
I
would
just
be
cautious
about
that.
So
I,
I,
guess
I'm,
probably
in
in
the
yellow
light
area
of
I,
am
open
to
getting
more
information.
B
But
I
don't
want
to,
you,
know,
be
out
of
our
lane
and
into
the
counties
on
some
of
the
stuff
and
and
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
ballooning
in
a
way.
That's
unsustainable
for
the
mission
that
we
really
do
need
to
fulfill
mark.
F
Thank
you,
Rachel
I
agree
with
just
about
everything
you
just
said:
I
I
have
no
objection
to
polling
and
getting
more
information,
but
I
also
want
to
get
more
information
about
the
affected
businesses,
what
it
will
mean
to
them
the
impact
on
on
their
livelihoods
and
the
prospects,
as
Rachel
said
that
we
would
be
driving
them
driving
customers
elsewhere,
because
our
products
are
are
not
competitive,
I,
don't
think
it's!
It's
really
a
a
proposition.
That's
ready
for
prime
time
in
2023.
F
F
If
you
can
clarify
that,
there's
a
public
appetite
for
it
that
there's
business
appetite
for
it
and
that
we
can
do
that
consistent
with
the
need
to
fill
our
potholes
and
that
that
is
those
things
are
not
sexy,
but
they're
such
a
core
function
of
any
government
and
you
it's
always
easy
to
be
diverted
by
newer
and
shinier
propositions
and
not
pay
attention
to
that,
and
we
that
was
at
the
heart
of
the
community
culture
and
safety
tax
to
address
infrastructure
needs
and
I.
F
Don't
think
we
should
ever
lose
focus
on
that,
because
that
really
goes
to
the
fundamental
health
of
the
city.
But
having
said
that,
I'm
in
the
yellow
category,
I
don't
think
it's
ready
for
2023,
but
if
we
want
to
do
a
little
more
research
on
it
and
even
expend
the
money
to
ask
people
what
they
think,
I
have
no
objection
to
that.
Thank
you.
I
J
If
I
can
call
clean
that
Nicole's,
a
good
point
is
I
think
the
I
would
hope
that
the
poll
would
not
be
using
explanatory
language
like
you're,
just
talking
about
like,
given
that
these
are
the
main
problems
like
I.
Don't
think
we
want
language
like
that
in
there
right,
I
think
it
should
really
be
more
on
a
factual
basis
of.
Would
you
support
attacks
of
this
kind
to
fund
these
programs,
so
I
think
the
excellent
fundamental
point
there
yeah.
I
B
Fair
enough,
let's
definitely
not
misinform.
Members
of
the
public
on
a
topic
is
as
big
as
addiction.
Okay,
so
let's
do
some
straw
polls
I
guess
first,
did
anybody
not
want
to
go
further
with
this?
Is
anybody
at
red
light.
B
Nicole
yeah,
but
I'll
go
red,
I
I
was
I,
was
yellow
but
I'm,
probably
red
anybody
at
a
green
light,
wants
it
on
the
oh.
We
got
Lauren
and
over
in
the
red
column.
Ladies
for
red,
anybody
want
to
be
a
green
and
get
it
on
this
year's
ballot.
B
Okay,
let's
see
the
yellows
Tara
one,
two,
three
we're
yellow
okay,
so
the
majority
is
yellow
marks,
yellow
two
great.
We
got
five
Aaron
Tara
Bob,
Mark
Matt,
so
in
the
yellow
category,
which
means
we're
considering
this
for
2024
ballot
right,
we're
gonna
pull!
Maybe
this
year,
though
correct
nods
of
I,
think
that's
what
we're
talking
about
with
the
yellow.
B
So
are
we
comfortable
sending
this
back
to
staff
and
I?
Think
the
charter?
Is
the
charter
committee
kind
of?
Are
you
doing
this
in
your
Charter
committee
role,
map.
G
No,
not
in
any
No.
It
started
there
because
we
had
a
meeting
and
I
brought
this
up
and
then
it
kind
of
evolved
out
of
that
I.
Don't
think
it's
necessarily
appropriate
in
the
charter
committee,
so
Bob
and
I
tried
to
extricate
it
out
of
the
charter
committee.
So
it's
not
in
that
function,
so
it
lives
in
its
own
ether.
So
happy.
Okay,.
B
Well,
it
makes
sense
that
I
I
would
think
that,
personally
that
you
you
continue.
So
where
else
you
know
those
of
you
who
have
been
closest
to
it.
Where
would
this
be
good
to
kick
back
to
staff
and
some
committee
that
Matt's
on.
O
As
as
the
other
member
of
the
Charter
Community
I'm
happy
to
partner
with
Matt
on
on
this
and
work
with
staff,
so
rather
than
standing
up
a
new
committee,
maybe
Matt
and
I
could,
where
they're
in
our
capacity,
we
have
a
couple
Charter
committee
meetings
between
now
and
June
22nd
anyway.
So
we
might
as
well
just
take
that
out.
B
Okay,
I
think
that
would
be.
Does
anybody
disagree
with
this
also
going
to
kind
of
Charter
and
staff
Nuria?
Does
that
work
from
staff
side,
I.
C
Think
so
I
was
just
going
to
recommend
before
we.
We
went
there
and
heard
the
recommendations
that
it
could
also
go
to
FSC,
since
it
is
a
kind
of
a
budget
question
as
well,
but
it
would
be
great
to
get
clarity
on
who
would
be
reviewing
that
polling
question.
So
if
it
is
Matt
and
Bob
that's
great,
if
it
is
another
or
it
would
just
be
good
to
clarify.
B
B
Bummer:
okay,
any
any
questions
from
staff
on
Direction
on
this
yellow
light
project.
C
Laura,
do
you
have
sufficient
information
to
talk
to
our
holster
people
and
get
some
better
clarity.
D
I
think
so,
and
then
we'll
also
see,
if
there's
any
analysis
that
we
might
be
able
to
do
to
provide
additional
information
with
regard
to
the
liquor
stores,
I
I
have
to
consult
with
the
experts
on
that.
Okay.
B
Matt,
since
it
feels
like
you,
you
have
had
the
most
knowledge
on
this
any
other
questions
that
you
want
us
to
clarify.
G
Yeah,
if
you
guys
I,
think
I've
heard
what
was
necessary
and
so
is
staff
and
we'll
take
it
back
and
continue
to
Noodle
this
and
see
where
it
goes
from
there.
B
C
Actually
going
to
John
who
had
there
was
a
request
to
have
an
odd
date,
ranked.
T
Yeah
you're
welcome
good
evening
city
council,
John
Morse
here
for
elections,
administrator
for
the
city,
I'll
be
succinct
tonight,
I
know
we're
getting
late.
So,
while
much
of
what
we've
discussed
tonight
is
uncertain,
one
thing
we
do
know
for
certain
is
ranked
Choice
voting
is
coming
and
I
just
wanted
to
bring
you
all
up
to
speed
on
how
things
are
going
behind
the
scenes.
In
a
nutshell.
T
So
since
February,
the
city
of
Boulder
has
been
meeting
with
Boulder
County
and
then
the
city
and
county
of
Broomfield
we've
been
meeting
regularly
to
kind
of
align
on
our
strategies
and
our
voter
Outreach
and
making
sure
that
our
messaging
online
is
correct
and
coordinating
events
coming
up
and
trying
to
divvy
up
the
work
as
best
as
we
can.
T
In
addition
to
them,
we've
also
met
with
some
subject
matter:
experts
in
ranked
choice
of
Odin,
most
notably
the
center
for
civic
Design,
Fair
vote
and
ranked
Choice
voting
for
Colorado
and
one
of
the
biggest
takeaways
we
got
from
the
center
for
civic
design.
Was
this
bite
snack
meal
method
of
voter
Outreach?
So,
basically
how
it
works?
Is
we
give
small
Snippets
of
information
as
we're
far
away
from
the
election
like
a
bite
size?
T
So
this
is
kind
of
our
websites
are
up
all
three
jurisdictions
and
we
should
have
similar
language,
and
then
we
are
starting
to
let
our
voters
know
that
rank
price
voting
is
coming.
A
newsletter
is
going
out
in
early
June
and
then
there's
the
snack
style
where
we're
giving
them
a
little
bit
more
information.
This
is
mainly
about
how
to
fill
out
your
ballot
correctly,
so
one
tool
that
I
am
especially
excited
about
is
we're
developing
an
interactive
tool
of
how
to
fill
out
rank
Choice
voting
ballot.
T
This
tool
was
developed
by
the
city
of
San,
Francisco
I,
reached
out
to
them,
and
they
were
willing
to
share
their
code
for
that
page
and
gave
us
permission
to
modify
it
to
align
with
Colorado
Secretary
of
State
rules
and
also
to
be
kind
of
bolder-esque,
and
then,
lastly,
is
the
meal
method
of
voter
Outreach.
So
this
is
where
we're
kind
of
giving
everyone
the
whole
shebang
you
know
and
and
getting
into
the
Weeds
on
how
tabulation
works
so
we're
planning
to
put
together
animated,
ranking
voting
tabulation
video.
T
Our
Communications
are
working
with
us
to
plan
that
out
and
we're
hoping
to
have
it
out
in
July
and
August
one
more
thing
to
hit
on.
We
have
a
list
of
community
events,
we're
planning
to
go
to
Alicia
and
I
are
going
to
Hash
that
out
and
then
plan
it
accordingly
with
Boulder
County
and
the
City
and
County
of
Broomfield,
but
they're
things
like
your
farmers,
markets,
festivals
and
concerts,
we're
also
looking
at
putting
up
a
booth
or
a
table
in
the
libraries
and
rec
centers.
For
some
of
these
informal
events.
T
You
know
we
definitely
look
to
a
few
council
members
if
they
want
to
join
us
and
and
be
a
part
of
our
Outreach.
That
would
be
fine
as
long
as
we
maintain
our
meeting
rules
but
we'll
be
sure
to
let
you
know
when
those
are
coming
up.
I
I
did
see
that
we
have
Taco
Festival
on
August
26th,
so
that's
probably
going
to
be
high
on
the
list
to
be
at
that
night
and
then
yeah.
T
Lastly,
our
Communications
team
is
kind
of
hitting
all
the
waves
on
social
media
and
we're
going
to
be
kind
of
ramping
that
up
as
we
get
closer
to
the
election
time,
so
expect
more
frequent
posts
on
your
typical
social
media
waves
and
that's
kind
of
where
we're
at
in
the
gist
I
I'd
be
happy
to
open
the
floor
to
questions
or
anything
of
Interest.
G
John
first,
thank
you
and
Alicia,
and
the
whole
team,
for
you
know,
wrapping
your
heads
around
this
and
working
so
closely
with
with
Molly
and
our
County
Clerk
and
certainly
and
Jenna
and
Secretary
of
State's
office,
so
really
appreciate
you
working
top
top
and
bottom
on
on
all
those
aspects
to
get
where
we
need
to
be
on
this.
G
As
you
know,
this
is
kind
of
my
my
this
is
my
baby,
more
or
less
so.
I'm
really
excited
to
see
us
get
to
this
point.
Question
I
have
is
regarding
sort
of
online
tools
in
order
for
people
and
I.
Think
you
kind
of
mentioned
this,
but
I'm
just
curious,
but
I've
been
I
want
to
sort
of
drill
down
one
of
the
during
the
campaign
for
this
one
of
the
real
important
things
was
we
had
a
web
tool
that
allowed
people
to
do
their.
G
G
T
Yeah
I
know
what
you're
talking
about
Matt
I
think
it's
a
website,
RVs
rcv123!
You
can
like
create
your
own
ranked
Choice
voting
whatever
yeah.
That's
one
thing
where
we've
thought
about
I.
Think
for
this
tool
that
you
know
again
shout
out
to
San.
Francisco
is
really
great
because
it
it
gives
you
notifications,
when
you've
done
things
correctly.
T
If
you
don't
fill
out
your
ballot
correctly,
it'll
pop
up
another
notification
of
it,
you
didn't
do
this,
this
way
kind
of
thing,
and
so
it's
very
intuitive
and
I'm
excited
our
team's
working
hard
on
it
to
make
it
align
with
kind
of
our
website
flow
and
then
yeah.
We
just
kind
of
have
to
tweak
the
language
a
little
bit,
make
sure
it's
correct,
but
is.
G
No
I
haven't
I
I,
only
I,
only
Loosely
know
the
San
Francisco
tool,
so
certainly
I'd
love
to
see
that,
but
but
as
long
as
that's
that's
accessible
for
people,
I
think
it's
going
to
be
really
helpful
because
I
think
there's
a
number
of
groups
in
the
community
and
those
around
that
want
to
help
evangelize
this
and
and
really
be
the
sum
up
Arts.
G
So
just
having
that
access
I
think
will
be
really
helpful.
I
will
say
to
another
question
about
council
members
joining
and
participating
to
help
get
the
word
out.
I'll
be
the
first
to
raise
my
hand
and
certainly
join
you
all
in
that
and
I
think
there's
a
number
of
folks
that
would
like
to
join
as
well.
I
know
from
racv
for
Colorado,
Linda,
templin
and
Emma
Donahue
and
those
folks,
and
certainly
open
Boulder,
and
some
other
folks
would
love
to
jump
in
on
that.
G
So
just
let
us
know
how
we
can
help
get
the
word
out
and
help
support
the
work
of
your
department.
Yeah.
Of
course,.
B
B
Well,
awesome
Bob,
Yates
predicted
we'd
be
done
at
8
40.,
so
I
really
apologize
for
being
more
than
an
hour
late.
So
you
lost
that
one
Bob
all
right
thanks.
Everyone
I'm
calling
it
done
at
9.
48
pm
have
a
great
weekends
thanks.
Everyone.