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A
A
So
these
are
the
traditional
role.
Those
are
the
traditional
roles
of
municipal
courts
for
some
places.
It's
a
geographically
convenient
forum
because
some
municipalities
are
pretty
far
from
their
county
seat.
Sometimes
there
are
local
law
violations
for
which
there
is
no
state
court
counterpart,
so
we
can
handle
those
cases
and
then
they're
the
kind
of
the
costs
of
judicial
hearings
which
are
more
or
less
civil
in
nature
and
again
those
can
only
really
be
heard
in
the
municipal
courts.
A
So
that's
the
traditional
role
and
I'm
not
going
to
read
everything
that
I
wrote
up
there
because
I
know
you
can
do
that
yourselves,
but
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
role
of
our
Municipal
Court,
because
we
do
do
all
of
the
traditional
Municipal
Court
functions.
But
in
addition
we
do
other
things.
So,
first
of
all,
we
deal
with
quality-of-life
violations
and
they
may
differ
from
municipality
to
municipality,
because
people
in
cities
have
different
social
problems
that
they're
trying
to
address.
A
So
not
every
not
every
city
is
a
college
town
and
has
to
deal
with
the
kinds
of
issues
that
come
along
with
being
a
college
town
and
not
everybody
has
a
high
population
of
homeless
folks.
So
that's,
what's
nice
about
municipal
courts
is
they
can
be
pretty
nimble
and
respond
to
what
the
local
environment
is?
A
Another
difference
is
that
we
really
care
about
the
process
itself
and
having
the
process
be
a
good
experience
and
that's
actually
really
been
emerging
in
courts.
As
you
know,
since
about
2005,
when
somebody
wrote
a
white
paper
about
that,
but
the
process
is
really
important
to
people's
perception
about
they're,
not
they
were
treated
fairly
and
it's
really
seen
as
more
critical
to
that
decision
or
that
impression
than
the
outcome
of
their
case.
A
And
so
that's
something
again
that
we
really
work
on
to
a
very
high
degree
in
our
court
and
then
all
of
those
other
nice
things.
We
are
evidence-based
in
our
approach
as
we
collaborate
we
innovate.
Some
of
the
things
that
we're
doing
are
things
that
are
not
being
done
anywhere
else
that
I'm
aware
of
so
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
kinds
of
cases
that
we
see.
A
A
That's
not
necessarily
true
in
a
lot
of
other
places,
but
that's
true
for
us,
and
then
you
can
see
the
other
types
of
cases
that
we
have
as
well
and
even
though
you
can
see
that
we
have
a
very
high
number
of
traffic
court
filings,
really
where
we
concentrate
our
efforts
as
judges
and
probation
officers
and
other
courts
staff,
the
the
ones
who
are
charged
with
doing
some
of
the
things
other
than
taking
payments
are
doing
data
entry.
We're
really
spending
our
time
in
those
bottom.
A
Three
categories
of
cases
you
might
wonder
where
we
are
cases
come
from
they're,
not
all
the
boulder
Police
Department.
That
might
have
been
something
that
you
would
intuitively
think,
but
we
also
get
cases
from
the
Cu
Police
Department,
so
I'm,
a
lot
of
our
on
campus
violations
are
from
there,
as
well
as
from
open
space
and
mountain
parks.
Rangers,
so
I
thought
that
might
be
of
interest
to
you
and
you
can
see
the
percentage
of
cases
in
2019
that
came
from
each
of
those
agencies.
A
I'm
not
gonna
dive
into
this
in
any
level
of
detail,
but
I
just
thought
you
would
be
interested
in
our
organizational
structure
and
who
we
have
working
at
the
court.
Our
court
administrator
is
James,
honcho
he's.
Also
the
department
head,
I
am
NOT.
The
department
head,
that's
not
unique
to
Boulder
the
municipal
courts
are
around.
The
state
are
split
about
50/50
in
terms
of
whether
the
presiding
judge
is
also
the
department
head
or
whether
the
court
administrator
is
one
thing.
I
do
want
to
point
out,
though,
that
is
thing.
A
That's
probably
new
to
most
people
on
the
Dyess
tonight.
Is
we
added
a
half
time
homeless,
specialist
in
the
last
six
months,
so
you
people
who
know
the
court
know
that
we
have
had
a
homeless
navigator
for
a
couple
of
years,
but
we
and
I'll
talk
more
about
that
for
the
newer
members
in
a
little
bit,
but
we
were
able
to
add
another
half
time
person
to
do
more
of
that
kind
of
work,
because
we
were
getting
so
much
value
out
of
it.
A
These
are
some
of
the
innovations
that
we're
really
proud
of
in
MIP,
which
is
the
abbreviation
for
a
minor
in
possession
cases.
We
assign
the
treatment
that
the
person
receives
based
on
an
individualized
screening
that
happens
at
the
court
using
an
evidence-based
tool.
We
use
restorative
justice-
that's
not
unique
to
Boulder,
but
it
still
is
a
really
important
approach
to
use
with,
especially
the
young
adult
community.
Having
a
homeless
navigator
is
actually
something
that
I'm
not
familiar
with
any
other
court
having
in
the
state
of
Colorado.
A
There
are
some
places
around
the
country
that
are
doing
some
pretty
innovative
things
and
some
community
court
models
that
have
people
who
serve
a
similar
function,
but
it's
really
relatively
rare,
and
then
we
have
a
pretty
robust
use
of
technology
in
our
courtroom.
I
thought
you
might
be
out
so
I'm
gonna
talk
a
little
bit
now
about
two
of
the
big
categories
of
defendant
types
that
we
see
in
our
court.
The
first
is
young
adults
in
2019.
A
We
that's
how
many
minor
in
possession
cases
we
had
that's
up
a
little
bit
from
previous
years
and
I
think
that
what
that
change
is
attributable
to
is
for
the
first
time
this
fall.
They
have
what
they
call
on
campus
Community
Safety
officers
who
were
not
commissioned
officers
before
this
fall,
and
so
they
could
not
write
these
tickets
themselves.
They
could
call
in
a
police
officer
who
could
write
that
they
are
now
commissioned
to
just
write.
Mip
cases
only
and
so
that's
increased.
A
So
we
can
make
that
generalization
there
and
then,
with
the
other
types
of
violations.
Again,
it's
hard
to
break
out
the
young
adult
population.
You
might
not
think
of
getting
the
bare
trash
violations,
but
actually
because
they
are
a
fairly
they're,
fairly
short
term.
You
know
one
year
in
their
rental
units
and
we
do
really
great
education,
so
people
on
the
hill
who
lived
there
a
long
time
know
about
those
or
parts
of
the
city
that
have
those
violations
know
about
them.
A
But
if
somebody
moves
off
campus
after
being
the
dorms
a
previous
year,
they're
kind
of
likely
to
get
one
of
those
tickets
because
they
don't
necessarily
know
about
that
type
of
violation.
These
are
some
of
the
strategies
that
we're
using
with
this
population,
again
I'm
not
going
to
going
to
go
into
that
into
real
depth
tonight,
but
certainly
something
this
is
a
topic
that
I
sometimes
bring
to
Council
in
a
quarterly
update,
so
that
I
can
sort
of
give
you
current
numbers.
A
A
We
have
a
great
database
court
records
management
system.
So
there's
a
lot
we
can
do
in
that
regard.
The
other
big
sub
population
that
we
deal
with
are
no
surprise,
probably
the
homeless
population,
and
these
are
some
of
the
most
common
kind
cases
that
we
see
charged
in
our
court,
that
our
commitment
committed
by
homeless
offenders.
So
some
of
the
strategies
that
we're
using
is
really
where
I
want
to
focus.
A
So
if
somebody
who
doesn't
have
an
ID
or
a
copy
of
their
social
security
card
or
copy
of
their
birth
certificate,
a
typical
sentence
would
be
that
we
would
impose
some
amount
of
community
service
and
then
suspend
it
on
the
condition
that
they
obtain
one
of
these
documentation
or
they
might
be
asked
to
complete
coordinated
entry
or
to
sit
down
with
one
of
our
navigators
and
do
the
VI
spinette.
That's
the
vulnerability
index,
that's
the
VI!
A
A
Are
our
homeless
navigators
are
homeless,
navigator
now
homeless,
specialists
oftentimes,
in
conjunction
with
the
homeless,
outreach
team
officers
because
transportation,
for
instance,
to
the
Social
Security
office
in
Louisville,
is
often
a
big
barrier
for
people
to
get
their
Social
Security
card,
and
so
the
homeless
outreach
team
may
be
able
to
help
with
that
recently,
just
last
fall.
We
created
an
uber
account
for
the
court,
so
now
the
homeless,
navigator
and
specialists
can
go
in
a
new
bur.
A
We
are
on
different
committees,
both
locally
and
regionally,
and
the
top
bullet
we're
really
trying
to
work
hard
and
identifying
who
are
the
highest
utilizers
of
the
court,
but
not
just
the
court
in
the
criminal
justice
system
across
all
courts,
but
in
other
places
as
well,
like
hospitals
and
so
forth.
Emergency
rooms
jail
beds
so
that
we
can
try
to
strategize
about
who
those
people
there's
a
new
thing.
That's
you
heard
Vicki
Abner
about
a
month
ago
and
Heidi
grow
from
the
county.
A
We
just
had
a
presentation
since
your
presentation
about
fuse,
which
is
a
national
model
for
looking
at
identifying
the
highest
offenders
across
systems
and
trying
to
prioritize
them
for
services.
As
an
example,
again,
I
won't
go
into
this.
This
is
document
8,
or
these
are
outcomes,
though,
that
we
shared
two
years
ago
with
the
then
incoming
council
members
about
some
of
the
things
that
our
homeless
navigator
was
able
to
accomplish
in
that
time
frame.
A
Just
so
you
know.
What's
on
the
horizon,
I
talked
a
little
bit
at
one
of
one
of
my
last
quarterly
presentations
about
the
community
court
model.
Since
then,
there
was
a
nice
article
in
The,
Daily
Camera,
that
was
over
Thanksgiving
week,
so
I
don't
think
it
made
it
to
the
to
the
daily
download.
But
if
you
want
to
go
back
and
look
at
it,
the
link
is
there
and
we're
doing
that
with
the
assistance
of
a
technical
assistance
grant.
A
We
hope
to
launch
that
this
coming
year
and
also
we
I'm
part
of
a
an
association
Municipal
Court
judges
from
around
the
country.
That's
trying
to
establish
a
National
Association
of
municipal
courts
under
the
umbrella
of
the
National
League
of
Cities.
So
the
last
two
NLC
City
summits,
myself
and
my
colleagues
have
presented
that's
a
picture
of
us
right
after
our
presentation,
but
it's
a
really
worthwhile
endeavor,
because
we
have
what's
so
great
about
this
group
of
people.
A
There's
about
12
of
us
judges
is
that
we
all
have
the
same
issue
so
when
you
heard
Mary
young,
for
instance,
talk
at
the
retreat
about
the
the
white
paper
that
was
issued
about
municipal
courts
in
the
aftermath
of
Ferguson.
Everybody
around
the
country
is
dealing
with
that
and
it's
nice
to
be
able
to
connect
with
peers
who
are
looking
at
the
same
issues
that
we
are
bond
reform
is
another
big
one.
So
that's
a
it's!
A
It's
going
to
be
a
great
organization
and
we're
hoping
to
grow
it
to
critical
mass
at
some
point,
but
it
step
by
step.
If
you
want
to
come
to
court.
Those
are
the
dates
when
you
can
come
and
see
the
various
types
of
cases
that
you
might
see,
and
so
you
have
that
I'm
sure
you
have
a
copy
this
PowerPoint.
So
you
have
that
at
your
service
and
that's
all
I.
Do
people
have
questions
you.
A
C
Good
evening
Anna
Anderson
Golden
Colorado,
where
I
have
a
national
award-winning
preservation
firm
I,
am
the
president
of
the
Colorado
Chautauqua
Association,
here's
ten,
just
to
underscore
why
I
guess
vote
to
change.
Our
bylaws
is
so
desperately
needed
when
Susan
Connelly
became
Chautauqua's
executive
director
in
2003,
a
respected
Boulder
citizen
told
her.
Something
is
badly
broken
up
there
and
it
may
not
be
fixable
in
large
measure.
C
Most
of
our
members
buy
memberships
in
the
spring
when
our
concert
series
is
announced,
but
the
second
pump
is
happens
right
around
our
election
time
right
up
to
the
the
run-up
to
the
election
last
summer,
230,
memberships
or
36
of
those
who
voted
were
purchased
within
48
hours
before
the
election
and
with
some
people
buying
up
to
$1,000
worth
of
memberships.
So
what
happens
when
vote
buying
elevates
special
interest
to
board
seats
in
my
four
years
on
Chautauqua's
board,
I've
witnessed
exactly
what
happens.
C
Cottagers
with
special
interests
asked
us
to
set
aside
50
thousand
dollars
for
lowering
lodging
rates
and
tell
us
that
our
loyalty
discount
program
just
isn't
good
enough
without
ever
letting
up
on
this
drumbeat.
They
continue
to
recommend
that
if
we
just
stop
rehabilitating
our
cottages
and
laid
off
some
staff,
we
could
pay
for
these
special
perks.
These
special
interests
are
disruptive
destructive
and
often
handcuff.
The
good
work
that
the
board
and
staff
do
man.
D
D
E
The
elections
working
group
got
together
on
December
18th
and
we
found
a
whole
bunch
of
interesting
stuff.
We
found
out
that
in
nine
months
the
city
IT
person
had
failed
to
negotiate
a
Memorandum
of
Understanding
with
either
the
state
or
the
county
for
the
voter
registration
database
access
necessary
to
identify
people
by
their
driver's
license
before
they
sign
a
petition
and.
E
Denver's
had
no
problem
getting
that
access
for
their
tablet.
Version
of
petitioning
next
slide,
please,
but
more
importantly,
we
found
that
map
lights
free
offer
was
rejected
under
false
pretences.
Could
we
play
the
first
sound
file?
Please
this?
Is
your
IT
director
not
working
okay,
so
she
says,
as
you
can
see,
map
light
has
never
built
a
secure
web
site
available
to
the
public.
This
is
false.
E
She
also
said
map
lights
free
system,
including
zero
security
protocols.
This
is
also
false.
Next
slide,
please.
So
here's
the
view
of
map
lights,
public
website
for
the
California
League
of
Women
Voters,
and
you
can
see
by
the
little
lock
icon
to
the
left
of
the
URL.
That
is
secure
next
slide.
Please,
and
here
are
two
more
places
you
can
go
and
see
the
security
of
their
websites
for
the
league
and
for
the
California
Secretary
of
State
over
the
next
weeks
and
months.
F
Good
evening
Council
Lessig
lustrum
in
Boulder
and
as
always,
thank
you
so
much
for
on
top
of
everything
else,
you
do
for
caring
about
climate
change,
all
the
other
decisions.
We
make
obviously
don't
matter
right
when
they
get
flooded
in
one
way
or
another.
So,
as
you
know,
Patrick's
gonna
get
up
and.
F
That's
been
spent
on
muni
over
the
last
eight
years.
This
is
representative
of
the
after-tax
net
income
from
excel
over
that
same
period
of
time,
I'm,
a
scientist
I
think
in
graphs.
You
can
see
the
little
blue
bar
that
the
red
bars
is
excels
revenue
from
Boulder
about
over
a
hundred
million
a
year.
This
is
such
an
important
decision
for
our
community.
I
continue
to
hold
hope
that
Councilman
Yates
is
gonna.
Take
this
as
a
business
decision,
which
it
really
is
an
addition
to
all
the
climate
reasons,
100
million
dollars
a
year.
F
F
F
What
it
costs
for
the
decade
to
operate?
It
I've
broken
it
down.
If
we
take
4%
of
the
annual
operating
cost,
Bowl
there's
about
4%
of
excels
load,
we're
looking
at
about
3
to
4
million
a
year
just
for
Boulder
to
pay
off
that
massive
mistake,
all
the
other
mistakes
Hale
in
comparison
and
that's
bigger
than
our
2020
utility
occupation
tax.
So
thank
you
so
much.
H
My
name
is
Patrick
Murphy
I
live
in
Boulder.
This
is
the
continuation
of
the
24
articles
of
the
Muni
naughty
list,
article
10
original
intent
to
take
5700
gun
barrel
customers
and
facilities
outside
the
city.
Boulder
can't
just
take
customers
and
facilities
outside
the
city
limits.
That's
clear
in
the
regulations
and
PUC
chastised
boulders
arrogance
for
thinking
we
could
get
away
with
pirating,
Accel's
customers
and
facilities.
H
In
a
meeting
with
the
city
lawyer,
he
stated
he
still
thought
the
city
had
a
right
to
take
what
we
wanted,
but
just
didn't,
have
enough
money
to
pursue
a
court
fight.
It
was
currently
an
organization
called
keep
boku
out
that
has
standing
at
the
PUC
to
stop
the
boulder
bully,
ignoring
over
10
million
dollars
in
lost.
Undergrounding
Boulder
loves
to
list
all
the
wonderful
things.
Immunity
can
accomplish
to
add
reliability
and
resiliency,
including
powerline
undergrounding,
but
fails
to
include
over
10
million
dollars
of
undergrounding.
H
We
lost
and
would
have
been
entitled
to
if
we
kept
the
Excel
franchise.
This
is
a
true
cost
to
the
Muni.
That's
not
deniable!
Yet
Boulder
ignores
it
in
the
cost
assessment.
Article
12
trying
to
claim
the
shared
power
poles
doesn't
decrease
safety
and
reliability.
Thinking
Excel
could
be
forced
to
share
polls
when
there
was
no
reason
for
them
to
do
so.
Sharing
pools
with
different
utilities
is
risky
business
that
only
occasionally
occurs
when
it's
advantageous
to
both
utilities.
There
was
no
advantage
to
excel
to
share
pools
and
plenty
of
added
risk.
I
Hi
Elizabeth
black
43,
14
or
13th
Street
good
evening
last
month,
I
described
the
citizen
science
soil
health
projects
findings.
That
tillage
is
hard
on
soil.
Health.
Now
tillage
does
some
great
things.
It
breaks
up,
compaction,
kills
weeds
and
incorporates
organic
materials.
All
farmers
depend
on
tillage
to
grow
food,
but
tillage
has
downsides
to
frequent
tillage,
destroys
living
roots,
soil
microbes,
feed
off
of
without
carbon
sugars
from
living
roots,
soil
microbes
can't
multiply
and
sequester
carbon.
Their
numbers
drop
tillage
is
especially
hard
on
soil.
I
Fungi,
which
are
symbionts
tapping
directly
into
plants
roots
for
food
in
exchange,
fungi
send
little
threads
out
many
feet
to
gather
water
and
nutrients
to
feed
back
to
the
platon
plant
tillage
breaks
all
those
little
fungal
threads
and
fungal
numbers
drop,
which
in
turn
hurts
plants,
growth,
soil,
fungi,
produced
glomalin,
a
soil
glue
which
cements
soil
particles
together
to
form
micro
aggregates
micro
aggregates
are
heavy
and
craggy.
They
allow
better
water
and
air
infiltration
into
your
soil.
I
Wind
and
water
can't
move
them
easily,
so
they
are
less
irritable,
but
tillage
breaks,
soil
micro
aggregates
back
into
teeny
soil
particles
which
pack
together
tightly.
This
makes
soil
less
able
to
absorb
water
and
much
more
irritable
and
finally,
bare
soil
off
gases
co2
from
its
surface
into
the
atmosphere
when
soil
is
plowed,
all
those
extra
surfaces
on
all
those
clods
volatize,
even
more
co2,
so,
like
many
things
we
humans
do
tillage,
has
both
good
and
bad
sides.
Next
time,
I'll
tell
you
about
water's
effect
on
soil,
health
and
soil
carbon
sequestration.
Thank
you
mark.
J
All
right,
my
name,
is
Nick
I'm,
studying
environmental
engineering
at
CU
I'm
here
today
today,
to
suggest
that
we
as
a
community
focus
on
climate
change
and
the
ecological
damage
taking
place.
I
came
to
polar
from
Chicago
thinking
that
the
people
here
would
have
these
issues
at
the
forefront
of
their
minds.
To
my
surprise,
lots
of
people
commute
many
miles
from
Denver
and
pollute
the
air
with
toxins.
People
litter
cigarette
and
joint
boots
on
the
ground.
Our
sidewalks
and
creeks
are
riddled
with
plastic
bags
paper
and
miscellaneous
rubbish.
J
It's
just
really
the
world
we
want
to
live
in
these
plastics
and
trash
are
bio
accumulating
in
the
ecosystem,
as
well
as
hindering
water
flow.
I
cannot
be
the
only
one
noticing
this
let's
come
together
as
a
community
and
invest
in
the
most
sacred
asset
we
have,
which
is
the
health
of
our
ecosystems.
I,
do
not
want
to
be
the
only
one
that
cleans
up
trash
off
the
ground.
I
advocate
for
our
community
here
to
take
a
look
at
the
bigger
picture
not
just
for
ourselves
but
for
the
future
generations.
J
I
also
find
it
hard
to
believe
that
homeowners
are
not
allowed
to
grow
native
grass
in
their
front.
Lawn
I
feel
that
some
money
from
the
budget
should
go
towards
ecological
and
soil
restoration,
because
our
earth
is
in
grave
danger.
Also,
everybody
should
do
their
part
to
clean
up
water
systems
such
as
creeks,
because
this
is
not
a
one-man
job
today.
I
hope
to
find
out
what
the
discussion
is.
That
is
more
important
than
the
cries
of
Mother
Nature.
Why
must
we
imagine
mass-produced
gas
vehicles,
plastics
and
dyed
clothing
just
to
discard
them
later?
J
B
L
Evening
and
my
last
name
is
actually
spelled:
waa
RI
ng
I'm
here
to
talk
about
the
lawsuit
that
was
filed
today
against
Chautauqua
and
the
city
and
I'm
on
the
Governance
Committee
I'm.
Actually,
the
chair
of
the
Governance
Committee
of
the
Chautauqua
color
Chautauqua
Association
I'm,
a
lawyer
and
I'm,
a
long-term
resident
of
Boulder.
L
The
lawsuit
illustrates
the
real
problem.
There's
been
a
lot
of
publicity
about
it,
both
on
both
sides,
but
this
lawsuit
demonstrates
that
a
very
small
group
of
wealthy,
mostly
out-of-state
cottage
owners,
has
hired
a
large
denver
lobbying
firm
to
put
their
interests,
above
all
others,
Chautauqua
stakeholders,
and
what
do
they
want?
They
want
a
court
to
treat
Chautauqua
as
nothing,
but
a
common
homeowners
association
that
exists
to
serve
their
property
interests.
Above
all
else,
there's
no
amount
of
money
or
lobbying.
However,
that
can
make
this
true.
Chautauqua
is
not
an
HOA.
L
Chautauqua
belongs
to
all
of
us.
Cca
has
worked
very
hard
to
ensure
that
our
meetings
are
held
in
full
accordance
with
our
bylaws,
and
our
membership
is
well
informed
on
the
issues
at
hand.
For
example,
our
activities
have
included
hosting
a
public
town
hall
with
city
attorney,
Tom
Carr,
to
answer
questions
from
Cottagers
and
others.
L
We've
distributed
membership,
email
updates
before
and
during
the
election,
which
is
still
going
on
a
bylaws
specific
page,
has
been
put
up
on
the
Chautauqua
website
and
Chautauqua's
board
continues
to
receive
input
from
a
broad
range
of
stakeholders,
including
Cottagers
that
will
consider
and
act
upon
at
its
board
retreat
in
March.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
M
Good
evening
my
name
is
Ben
bender
and
I
live
in
so
folder
I
received
today
a
copy
of
the
concept
analysis
that
you're
going
to
be
discussing
under
item
6b,
I,
believe
and
with
respect
to
South
Florida
Creek
flood
mitigation,
who's
running
the
show
who
decided
that
the
city
should
pay
Cu,
15
million
dollars
for
impacts
shown
in
the
concept
analysis.
In
fact,
C.
You
should
be
paying
the
city
of
Boulder
millions
of
dollars
for
flood
damages
caused
by
the
2013
flood.
M
When
Cu
purchased
the
depleted
gravel
pit
in
1996,
it
had
a
reclamation
plan
that
included
many
ponds.
That
would
absorb
flood
waters
and
did
not
include
an
earthen
levee
around
the
gravel
pit
to
divert
flood
waters
onto
neighboring
properties,
but
see
you
change
that
around
and
they
added
they
got
rid
of
the
ponds
they
had
at
the
earthen
levee.
So
when
the
2013
flood
came,
the
gravel
pit
was
dry
and
neighborhoods
were
flooded.
M
There's
a
lot
to
discuss
about
this,
and
and
also
a
lots
to
discuss
about
why
the
city
has
been
working
on
flood
mitigation,
engineering
for
20
years
spending,
millions
of
dollars,
and
we
still
don't
even
have
preliminary
engineering
plans.
You
have
been
very
remiss
on
public
engagement,
so
I
have
taken
the
initiative
to
reserve
the
large
meeting
room
on
the
west
Boulder
Senior
Center
for
next
Monday
evening
at
7
p.m.
and
I
am
going
to
give
a
well
documented
presentation
about
the
history
of
Cu
South
in
the
cities
for
Dometic
mitigation
efforts.
M
N
Lynn
Segal
Boulder.
The
first
thing
has
changed
to
three
minutes:
the
landmark
property
on
the
311
site
was
damaged,
November
16th.
There
was
a
fire
on
the
property
June
7th,
the
landmark
building
when
I
looked
at
the
image
in
the
paper
and
when
I
went
up
to
the
property
myself
first
of
all
after
November
16th
and
before
the
further
damage,
because
apparently
there's
another
homeless,
rogue
bulldozer
driver
because
more
damage
has
been
done.
N
The
roof
also
is
curved.
Now
that
might
have
been
from
the
original
damage
or
or
the
secondary
damage.
I
don't
know
over
time.
James
Schubert
says
that
this
building
is
going
to
be
rebuilt,
but
from
looking
under
the
tarp
one
day,
it
was
open
and
I
rode
my
bike
up
there
and
looked
under
the
tarp
and
the
damages
on
that
earlier
time
were
not
nearly
so
bad
as
what
was
seen
in
the
newspaper
and
and
they
were
bad,
though
I
didn't
think
that
that
place
could
be
repaired.
B
P
So
I
wanted
to
just
say
a
couple
of
things
about
the
online
petitioning
I've
got
a
matter
scheduled
later,
but
since
Evan
has
raised
it
an
open
comment,
I
thought
it
fair
to
say
that
we're
not
going
to
make
the
2020
election.
We
have
gotten
delays.
We
got
it
on
Friday
I
learned
that
our
new,
our
vendor,
has
proposed
a
timeline
where
they
will
get
us.
The
the
the
minimally
Viable
Product
by
June
13th.
P
P
So
we're
looking
at
and
reevaluating
is
whether
we
can
do
a
full-scale
live
test
of
the
the
product
of
the
full
product
in
time
for
the
2021
election
to
adjust
some
of
the
things
that
have
been
raised,
the
the
reason
that
Denver
is
able
to
get
access
to
the
database,
which
we're
still
struggling
we've
reached
out
to
the
county.
Again
today,
we
do
not
have
an
MoU
to
access
the
database,
which
is
one
of
the
primary
reasons
for
the
delay
we
need.
P
We
need
the
data
and
we
in
in
the
form
that
we're
gonna
get
it
for
the
vendor
to
build
a
pro
at
the
software
program
is
Denver's.
Accounting.
Denver
has
the
information
already.
They
don't
have
a
doing
MoU
with
anybody.
We
are
not
a
County,
we
don't
have
the
information
we
have
to
work
with
the
county
and
the
county
has
been
concerned
about
giving
us
this
data.
We
continue
to
work
with
them.
We're
totally
would
have
the
MOU
mid
last
week.
We
did
not,
we
called
them
again
today.
P
Q
P
Don't
believe,
that's
true
I
think
that
he
may
be
returned
to
his
I
believe.
There's
a
limit
on
the
height
you
can
have
in
your
grass
in
your
yard.
Before
it's
considered
a
weed
native
grasses
to
function
properly.
You
should
be
tall
because
we
are
a
tall
grass
prairie,
so
I
in
my
yard.
We
skirt
that
rule
a
little
bit.
P
B
S
S
S
T
S
T
It's
a
shared
responsibility,
so
the
city
has
a
basic
standard
that
we're
operating
now
within
which
we
groom
the
beach
do
trash
pickup
and
the
tenant.
Should
there
be
increased
trash
or
other
things
related
to
their
operations,
they
will
pay
for
that
as
part
of
their
cam
and
will
likely
provide
the
service.
Okay.
U
T
B
B
R
B
B
V
X
All
right
good
evening,
I'm
Marcy
Cameron
with
the
planning
department.
So
this
is
a
quasi-judicial
hearing
and
so
council
members
know
any
experts.
Contacts
I'll
give
a
staff
presentation
followed
by
the
owners
presentation.
The
public
hearing
is
then
opened
and
after
the
public
hearing
the
applicant
has
a
chance
to
respond
to
anything
that
was
said
and
then
the
public
hearing
is
closed
and
council
discusses
a
motion
requires
an
affirmative
vote
of
at
least
five
council
members
to
pass
a
motion.
X
X
We've
had
limited
public
comment.
Two
letters
were
received
in
support
of
landmark
designation
and
one
member
of
the
public
spoken
spoken
opposition
of
designation,
saying
they
would.
They
were
opposed
to
the
current
owners,
name
being
included
in
the
landmark
name
which
I'll
address
under
the
recommended,
landmark
name
and
again.
The
owner
is
in
support
of
landmark
designation.
X
So
the
criteria
for
designation
asked
us
to
look
at
the
historic,
architectural
and
environmental
significance
in
terms
of
its
historic
significance.
It's
associated
with
the
Braden
family
who
commissioned
the
house
and,
and
it
was
built
in
1964
and
they
lived
there
for
about
a
decade.
Jack
Braden
was
in
the
oil
and
gas
industry
and
he
shared
an
office
with
this
architect.
X
Philip
Carlton,
Jones,
Lilly
and
Braden
was
very
well
educated
with
multiple
master's
degrees
and
taught
special
education
here
in
Boulder,
and
wrote
a
really
beautiful
letter
in
support
of
this
landmark
designation
in
terms
of
its
historic
significance.
It's
also
associated
with
the
modernist
architectural
movement
in
Boulder
Boulder
experienced
a
really
unique
and
very
impressive
architectural
landscape
in
the
post-war
area,
from
about
1945
until
1965
or
1970,
and
this
is
part
of
that,
where
architects
here
came
and
experimented
with
the
trends
that
were
happening.
X
So
it
was
designed
by
Philip
Carlton
Jones,
as
I
mentioned,
he
shared
an
office
with
Jack
Braden.
This
was
his
first
residential
commission
and
he
said
that
they
were
ideal
clients
who
said
free
rein
to
design
whatever
you'd
like
Philip
Carlton
Jones
studied
under
Bruce
Gough,
who
was
also
an
expressionist
architect,
who
studied
under
Frank
Lloyd
Wright
and
was
really
the
powerhouse
behind
the
University
of
Oklahoma's
modernism
school,
and
so
it
serves
as
a
unique
example
of
early
expressionist
design
from
the
first
work
period.
It
plays
with
the
same
materials
on
the
inside
and
out.
X
X
The
landmarks
board
also
recommends
that
it
be
the
Braden
Belle's
house,
recognizing
both
the
first
owner
Jack
and
Lily
and
Braden,
and
also
the
current
owner,
sherry
Belle's,
who's
owned
it
since
1994
and
has
been
a
steward
of
the
property
and
has
really
taken
it
or
is
really
the
reason
it's
so
well
preserved.
Today,
so
I
thought
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have.
G
I'm
Cheri
Belles
I
live
at
6:01
Kalmia
thanks
to
staff
for
collating
all
the
information
that
I
gave
to
you
for
the
packet
and
presentation
and
to
the
Landmarks
board
for
voting
unanimously
to
approve
the
designation,
and
thank
you
all
tonight
for
considering
this.
You
might
ask
why
am
I
landmarking
if
my
house
isn't
threatened
with
demolition?
Unfortunately,
preservation
and
Boulder
has
more
often
than
not
been
reactive
rather
than
proactive,
and
this
goes
back
to
the
whole
reason.
Historic
Boulder
was
founded
back
in
1972
and
in
the
subsequent
preservation.
G
Ordinance
passed
in
the
Landmarks
board
form
it's
time
to
try
to
turn
that
around
to
be
proactive
rather
than
reactive,
and
that's
one
reason
why
I'm
here
tonight
for
many
years,
I
lived
at
forth
and
Evergreen
since
the
80s
and
every
day
I
would
walk
my
dog
up.
Fourth
Street
and
down
Kalmia
I
was
always
taken
by
the
unique
architectural
artistry
of
the
home
at
601
and
daydreamed
about
living
there
someday
in
1993.
It
came
on
the
market
and
I
was
lucky
enough
to
buy
it.
G
The
Braden's
had
built
the
house
in
64
and
sold
it
in
73
to
the
dew
bucks
21
years
earlier,
when
I
bought
it.
There
was
a
lot
of
deferred
maintenance
both
of
the
physical
structure
of
the
systems
in
the
landscape.
You
can
see
that
from
the
pictures
in
65
when
it
was
first
built,
then
in
92
93
when
I
bought
it.
G
The
cedar
shakes
were
discolored
and
breaking
single
pane
windows
were
drafty
and
let
much
of
the
solar
heat
gain
during
the
day
escape
at
night
flat,
roofs
leaked
solar
system
was
malfunctioning
and
dozens
and
dozens
of
trees
had
not
been
trimmed
or
pruned,
and
there
were
many
dead
ones
and
then
that's
the
back
again.
You
can
see
the
deterioration
when
I
bought
it
I,
carefully,
cleaned
and
repaired.
The
cedar,
shake
walls
and
parapets
I
replaced
the
leaking
flat
roofs
which
I'm
now
having
to
do
again.
G
I
had
all
159
of
the
single
pane
glazing
replaced
with
insulated
units.
I
worked
out
details
that
maintained
the
original
exterior
reveals,
albeit
there
were
a
few
awning
windows
that
I
exchanged
for
casements.
As
a
side
note,
I
used
a
similar
detail
and
changing
the
glazing
when
I
redid
the
landmarked
lebra
house
at
819,
sixth
Street.
G
G
Well,
I'm
not
judge
Holmes,
but
I
would
like
to
point
out
the
following:
I
moved
to
Boulder
in
1977,
so
I've
been
here
43
years,
I've
lived
in
this
home
for
almost
27
years
and
that's
the
longest
of
any
of
three
owners
and
I
raised.
My
two
sons
here,
I
too,
have
been
actively
involved
in
philanthropic
and
civic
activities,
including
the
boards
of
the
BC
VA,
which
was
the
precursor
to
boom
oka
Bixby
School
Boulder
hockey
club
the
Dairy
Center
for
the
Arts
flat
irons,
ITAT
for
Humanity
and
now
historic
Boulder
as
well.
G
Professionally
I
have
contributed
to
boulders
built
environment
by
remodeling,
designing
and
building
close
to
50
homes,
quite
a
few
of
which
have
been
published
or
for
which
I've
won
awards.
The
Braden's
were
trusting
visionaries,
giving
Philip
Carlton
Jones
free
rein
to
design
this
house.
In
my
conversations
and
correspondence
with
Lillian
and
her
daughter,
Lisa
I
learned
many
interesting
stories
about
them
and
the
house
itself
as
they
expressed
after
nine
years
of
living
there
when
they
moved
back
to
Kansas
and
sadly
left
this
house,
they
considered
it
their
souls
home.
G
It's
almost
prophetic
that
my
whole
career
as
an
architect,
my
catch
phrase
has
been
quote:
one's
home
is
the
merging
of
the
spirit
of
the
place
with
the
spirit
of
the
person.
This
house
is
also
my
family's
soul,
home
and
in
that
way,
we
and
the
Braden's
are
truly
connected.
Thank
you
for
your
consideration.
P
S
X
It's
more
about
the
relationship
of
solid
to
void
than
it
is
about
the
the
wood,
material
or
the
glass
itself,
and
so
the
second
part
of
the
question
that
I
heard
was:
can
you
replace
non-historic
windows
in
the
future?
And
the
answer
is
yes
and
you?
We
would
point
back
to
the
original
design
of
the
house
of
what
is
that
relationship
to
solid
invoice
to
continue
that
on.
B
N
Boulder,
that's
too
bad:
it's
not
required
to
keep
the
double
panes.
Maybe
we
need
to
make
some
changes
in
our
building
code
for
landmark
properties
or
historic
kind
of
properties.
I've
seen
sherée
bellas
worked
for
many
years
and
really
have
appreciated
her
architecture.
N
One
thing
I
could
suggest
is
that
the
original
architect's
name
get
put
on
too,
and
it's
kind
of
interesting
that
another
architect
gained
inspiration
from
the
work
that
she
does
around
town
from
living
in
the
house
and
I.
Think
it's
a
great
landmark,
an
opportunity.
Of
course.
You
know
I
want
to
landmark
just
about
everything
in
town,
but
I
still
think.
This
is
a
great
thing
to
landmark.
S
Q
R
O
This
item
will
be
presented
by
Director
of
utilities,
Joe
tanto
gee
and,
as
you
know,
when
we
spoke
with
CAC
about
the
preparation
of
this
item,
it
was
agreed
that
there
would
not
be
materials
in
your
packet,
but
that
Joe
would
be
presenting
the
PowerPoint
which
he
sent
out
on
hotline
last
night.
So.
Y
City
council,
I'm,
Joe,
Teti,
Yuchi,
Utilities
Director
in
our
public
works
department
and
tonight
I've
got
a
brief
presentation
on
the
South
Boulder
Creek
flood
mitigation
project.
As
you
know,
we
have
a
study
session
coming
up
on
February
25th,
where
we
will
be
talking
about
the
project
in
detail
and
tonight.
I
wanted
to
do
a
limited
preview
of
some
of
the
key
findings.
That's
coming
out
of
our
consultants
work
in
our
concept,
design
report,
which
is
in
draft
form
right
now.
Y
Y
So
start
tonight
with
a
quick
review
of
the
project
and
then
talk
about
some
of
the
primary
trade
offs
that
we're
seeing
as
a
result
of
the
design
work
and
the
consultants
work
and
then,
at
the
end
of
the
presentation,
I'd
like
to
check
in
with
the
council
on
the
study
session
and
what
we'll
be
talking
about
on
February,
25th
and
so
before.
I
leave
this
slide,
there's
a
photo
up
there.
That
shows
a
car
underwater.
Y
So
this
slide
that
you're
looking
at
here
is
a
rendering
and
just
kind
of
going
over
the
the
basics
of
the
project,
and
the
vantage
point
here
is
looking
from
the
intersection
of
us,
36
and
Table
Mesa
and
looking
to
the
south
and
the
blue
area
that
came
in.
That
is
the
water
that
would
pool
behind
an
embankment
and
a
flood
wall
that
we
would
build
under
a
concept.
That's
called
variant
that
we've
been
referring
to.
D
Y
So
this
slide
kind
of
shows
the
area
from
a
different
vantage
point.
This
is
a
full-on
overhead
view
or
what
we
call
a
plan
view
of
the
project.
The
diagonal
line
that
you
see
coming
through
the
middle
of
it
is
us
36.
You
see
Table
Mesa
and
as
this
yellow
rectangle
comes
up,
the
flooded
area,
that's
shown
in
there
in
the
blue
area,
is
what
we're
trying
to
prevent.
Y
That
is
an
area
that
we've
referred
to
as
the
West
Valley
and
that's
what's
floods
when
us
36
over
tops
the
blue
shaded
area
on
that
map
is
the
extent
of
the
hundred
year
flood
limits.
We
have
similar
maps
for
the
500
year
flood,
so
the
goal
of
the
project
is
to
prevent
that
overtopping
and
protect
people
and
property
in
the
West
Valley.
Y
Y
I
will
note
that
the
two
hundred
year
flood
column,
you
see
that
the
values
for
the
properties
and
people
protected
are
penciled
in
and
marked
draft,
and
that's
because
in
our
planning
documents
the
hundred
year
flood
and
the
500
year,
flood
are
recognized
regulatory
components
of
FEMA
and
flood
plain
mapping,
and
so
we
have
those
red.
We
have
layers
that
show
those
extents
readily
available
in
our
mapping
in
our
GIS
information.
Y
B
Y
Y
15
million
dollar
costs
that
are
noted
in
in
the
second
note
there
would
be
the
same
for
all
of
the
flood
levels
will
be
showing
a
more
detailed
breakdown
of
costs
at
the
study
session,
the
amount
of
fill
that
is
required
as
you
go
up
in
flood
protection
level
and
you
inundate
more
area
you
have
to
import
more
fill
to
create
the
hundred
and
twenty
nine
acres
for
the
University
and
those
costs
change
with
the
flood
level
as
it
goes
up.
Thank
you.
Y
So
this
next
series
of
slides
kind
of
going
back
to
the
overhead
view
or
the
plan
view
shows
what
the
different
flood
levels
look
like.
This
slide
is
the
500-year
flood
and
you
can
see
the
blue
shaded
area
that
that's
what
would
be
inundated
during
that
flood
and
brown
shaded
area
is
the
area
of
property
that
would
have
to
be
filled
up
above
and
outside
of
the
flood
level
so
that
the
university
could
develop.
So
that's
the
500
500
year
flood.
The
next
one
shows
what
that
looks
like
for
the
200
year.
Y
Some
of
this
gets
into
the
way
the
areas
are
shown
for
the
fill
gets
into
the
land
use
designations
underneath
which
I'm
not
really
prepared
to
speak
to
that
tonight,
but
we'll
get
into
those
details
for
sure.
When
we
talk
to
you
during
the
study
session
and
then
the
the
third
one
here
is
the
100-year
flood
and
a
much
lesser
area
inundated
still.
Some
fill
that's
always
been
anticipated
as
part
of
the
hundred
year.
Flood.
D
Joe,
that's
helpful,
so
the
dark
brown
that
we're
seeing
on
these
three
alternatives.
You
say:
Phil,
that's
that's
earth
being
brought
in
to
raise
the
level
right.
Can
you
give
us
an
idea?
Are
we
talking
like
a
foot
or
like
several
feet?
I
actually.
Y
Y
Y
Now
the
agreement
reached
with
the
University
and
establishing
those
guiding
principles
is
that,
as
as
part
of
giving
us
property
for
the
flood
mitigation
to
develop
our
project
on,
we
would
leave
129
acres
for
them
to
build
on.
And
to
do
this,
to
do
that,
we
have
to
raise
the
elevation
of
the
land
so
that
out
of
the
floodplain,
when.
D
B
Y
Fill
cost
is,
is
part
of
those
total
numbers.
Okay,
have
the
you,
have
the
15
million
for
the
moving
the
tennis
courts
and
things
like
that,
and
then
the
flood
project
itself,
the
the
dam,
the
flood
wall
and
the
embankment
at
the
100-year
flood
is
a
little
over
40
million
for
the
500
year
flood.
If
I
recall,
it
goes
up
to
47
million
and
so
the
fill
costs
as
you
get
to
the
500
year,
flood
can
be
almost
as
much
as
the
flood
project
itself.
Y
Our
engineering
consultant
prepared
the
costs
associated
with
the
design
components
of
the
of
the
dam
and
the
embankment
and
the
fill,
and
then
we
have
been
working
with
and
meeting
with
the
university
to
talk
about
some
of
the
costs
associated
with
moving
the
tennis
courts
and
their
maintenance
warehouse
and
from
the
road
and
things
like
that.
So
those
are
more
staff
developed
costs.
Y
S
S
Y
They
they
would
see
some
benefit,
I
guess
in
that
the
water
that's
stored
in
our
reservoir.
All
of
it
wouldn't
come
downstream,
so
they
might
have
more
time
to
get
out,
but
as
as,
if
we're
protecting
for
the
hundred
year
flood,
that's
the
volume
that
we're
storing
in
the
reservoir,
the
dam
and
the
spillway
will
be
designed
for
something
much
larger
than
that.
So
if
the
500
year
flood
happens,
the
whole
dam
won't
fail.
Q
Would
be
accurate
to
say
that
the
folks
will
be
protected
by
the
one
out
of
your
project.
Those
are
the
people
who
are
in
the
100-year
floodplain
and
the
800
that
would
be
additionally
protected
by
the
500
year
level
of
protection
or
people
who
are
not
in
the
100-year
but
are
in
the
500.
Yes,
yes,
so
if
you
had
a
hundred
year
storm
those
800
households
wouldn't
be
flooded
anyway.
It's
the
the
problem
is
that
with
the
bigger
storm
they
wouldn't
be
affected.
B
K
Y
Y
It
has
to
be
protected
up
to
a
flood
level
called
the
probable
maximum
flood,
and
so
there
there
is
a
a
storm
design
that
goes
with
the
probable
maximum
flood
and
that
translates
to
runoff
and
an
amount
that
comes
into
the
reservoir
and
a
calculated
flow
rate
that
goes
over
the
spillway
I'm,
not
sure,
if
it's
what
you're
asking,
but
this
will
be
designed
to
handle
the
probable
maximum
flood
between
the
amount
that's
stored
in
the
reservoir
and
the
amount
that
can
go
over
the
spillway.
It
will
be
safe
for
those
for
that.
Y
Y
I
think
I
know
what
you're
referring
to
so
for
storm
water.
There
there
are
water
rights
in
Colorado
and
and
every
like,
Boulder
Creek,
all
the
water
that
comes
down
Boulder
Creek.
There
are
people
all
along
the
creek,
the
city
of
Boulder
irrigation,
ditch
companies
that
have
rights
to
that
water
and
they
can
divert
it
from
the
creek.
Y
So
in
a
storm
or
a
flooding
situation,
where
you're
detaining
water
for
a
flood,
you
can
only
hold
it
for
72
hours
or
three
days,
typically,
when
you're
in
a
flooding
situation
where
reservoir
like
this
would
activate
nobody's
too
worried
about
water
rights,
because
there's
more
water
than
anybody
knows
what
to
do
with
water
rights
come
into
play
more
when
the
during
drier
conditions.
But
that
is
a
requirement
of
the
state.
D
Joe,
could
you
go
back
to
the
cost
table?
Sure
yeah
so
did
I
I
thought
I
caught
you
correctly
and
I
know
you're
doing
some
of
these
numbers
off
the
top
your
head
and
we
have
more
granularity
on
the
25th
did
I
heard
you
say
that
the
the
difference
between
the
flood
mitigation
part
of
it
not
the
filtered
but
the
flood
mitigation
part.
If
you
weren't
worried
about
129
acres,
the
difference
between
100-year
and
500
year,
it
was
about
7
million.
Was
that
right,
yeah.
Y
D
About
6
million,
so
that
that
an
incremental
number
of
people
protected
in
structures
and
dwellings
protected
if
we
didn't
have
to
worry
about,
fill
dirt
or
or
or
how
many
acres
are
buildable,
that
difference
between
the
left-hand
row
in
the
column
in
the
right-hand
column
would
be
six
million
dollars.
Correct.
Okay,
great
thanks.
Z
Thanks
for
the
presentation
so
far,
I'm
guessing
you're
not
done
yet
more
so
I'm
piggybacking
a
bit
on
marks
question.
If
we
do
100-year
mitigation
and
there's
a
two
hundred
year,
flood
is
the
you
know
in
that
first
slide
that
you
showed
on
quality.
You
don't
have
to
go
back
to
it,
but
is:
are
we
protected
from
some
of
the
more
catastrophic
and
menacing
flow
by
just
having
the
hundred
year
so
I
understand
people
in
the
500
year?
Z
Plane
won't
get
maybe
anything
in
a
two
hundred,
if
they're
outside
of
that,
but
does
it
help
just
to
do
100
year
in
terms
of
lessening
the
damage
and
the
the
catastrophic
nature
of
the
water?
By
having
just
the
hundred-year
wall
in
place?
Does
it
slow
down?
Does
it
give
people
time
to
escape
and
exit
their
basements,
and
things
like
that
and
I
understand?
You
don't
have
to
answer
these
today,
but
that
would
be
helpful
information
for
the
study
session.
Y
So
definitely
there's
some
benefit
that
the
whole
time
the
reservoir
that
were
in
the
dam
that
we're
building
the
whole
time
that's
filling
up
during
the
flood
that
water
is
not
overflowing
us
36
and
going
down
into
the
neighborhood.
Whatever
flood
level
is
chosen
for
the
ultimate
design
of
this
project.
Y
Y
So
that's
what
we're
talking
about
of
with
the
selection
of
this
concept
and
the
end
the
agreements
that
have
been
put
into
place
with
the
comp
plan
guiding
principles
which
for
our
design
team
and
our
consultant,
our
criteria
was
stick
to
those
guiding
principles
in
the
way
we're
developing
those
project
as
we
as
we
go
forward
and
move
to
a
decision
point
for
May
and
get
into
the
final
design
of
the
project.
There's
certainly
some
opportunity
to
have
conversations
about
those
guiding
principles.
Y
So
the
last
thing
that
I
wanted
to
mention
was
just
talking
about
the
agenda
for
the
February
25th
study
session
in
general,
so
our
staff
team
we're
planning
to
review
the
design
work
that
we've
been
doing
in
a
lot
more
detail.
Talk
about
the
flood
modeling
show
some
of
the
maps
with
the
land
use
trade-offs,
and
things
like
that
before
we
even
talk
about
that.
Y
We
would
go
through
a
bit
of
the
history
of
how
we
got
to
this
point
because
I
know
in
some
conversations
there's
been
interest
in
that
we
would
also
give
updates
on
the
groundwater
modeling
work.
That
is
definitely
an
item
of
community
interest
and
will
be
a
part
of
the
project,
as
well
as
the
geotechnical
analysis.
S
Y
Q
Thanks
for
that,
can
you
go
back
a
couple
slides,
please
it's
maybe
to
the
100-year
map
this
one,
the
one
yeah
that
that
one
so
I
was
curious.
So
the
you
know,
one
of
the
the
costs
and
sort
of
inefficiencies
about
all
of
this
is
the
need
to
move
the
tennis
courts
so
I'm.
Seeing
from
this
that
that's
not
an
area
designed
to
be
inundated
in
in
this
one
is
there
at
all
the
possibility
of
shifting
fill
locations
around
such
that
we
wouldn't
have
to
rebuild
the
tennis
courts.
Y
Q
D
Y
I'm
glad
you
asked
me
that
question
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
public
interest
in
seeing
that
report
and
we
should
have
done
a
better
job
as
staff
about
clarifying
that
way.
We
would
receive
in
early
January
was
a
draft.
It
took
us
some
time
to
review
the
draft.
Our
comments
are
back
in
the
consultants,
hands
and
they're
working
on
it
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
realized
in
the
way
we
set
out
with
the
consultants
report.
Y
We
had
done
it
and
set
it
up
as
an
appendix
to
Ana
previous
report
that
was
done,
and
enough
has
changed
on
the
project
that
we
felt
it
would
be
more
meaningful
at
such
a
critical
time
to
repackage
it
as
a
standalone
document.
So
it
will
definitely
be
available
as
part
of
the
study
session
packet
and
will
be
kind
of
the
foundation
of
the
conversation
that
we
have
on
February
25th.
D
B
Z
Z
So
I
would
be
curious
under
the
100,
200
and
500
year,
scenarios
who
we
are
protecting
and
who
we
are
not
protecting
and
so
I
think
it
would
be
useful
to
have
data
on
that,
at
least
if
we
can't
get
like
a
full
equity
lens
set
of
information.
At
least
you
know
the
affordable
housing
units,
if
we
have,
we
can
get
that
like
from
bhp
or
easily.
That
would
be
helpful
so
that
we
can
have
a
sense
of
exactly
who
is
in
harm's
way
and
again,
I
think
we're
lessening
everyone's
harms
way.
Z
Who
is
in
harm's
way,
even
if
we
do
100
versus
500,
but
who
were
maybe
leaving
hanging,
would
be
useful
information
to
me.
So
that's
one
thing
and-
and
it
also
might
be
helpful
I
think
if
we
did
like
a
map
of-
and
this
may
be,
the
map
kind
of
what
what
flooded
in
2013
and
then
an
overlay
of
what
we're
protecting
with
a
hundred
years.
Z
Maybe
maybe
it's
all
of
the
2013
flood
I,
don't
know
and
then
what's
protected
under
the
200
and
500
just
to
help
us
visualize
that
and
then
second,
we
got
a
letter
from
Cu
saying
that
they
may
not
be
able
to
build
housing
now
under
any
of
the
variants.
So
I'll
be
curious.
What
conversations
we've
had
with
Cu?
What
what
they're
saying
now
with
what
staff
and
see
you
have
maybe
come
up,
might
come
up
with
on
what
possible
paths
forward.
Z
There
might
be
to
still
allow
housing
to
be
built
there
and
third
there's
a
lot
of
community
engagement
or
request
to
us
to
look
at
a
land
swap
for
the
planning,
Reserve
in
area
3
and
so
I
have
a
feeling
that
will
come
up
at
the
study
session
and
I
would
appreciate
clarification
on
timelines.
So
what
is
the
normal
timeline
for
planning
reserve
area
3
to
become
area?
Z
How
many
years
are
we
talking
about,
leaving
whoever
it
is
in
harm's
way
if
we
do
nothing
or
we
tacking
on
10
years,
and
then,
if
there's
talk
about
an
expedited
process,
this
may
be
more.
Someone
feels
it's
doing
an
unfortunate
headshake
over.
So
if
there
was
an
expedited
process,
what
is
the
timeline
for
that?
And
and
what
is
the
realistic
process?
Look
like
for
that?
So
I
think
all
that
would
be
helpful
to
have
at
the
study
session
will.
B
AA
B
Just
to
get
back
to
your
point
about
what
I
I
believe
in
somebody
for
planning
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
I
believe
that
we
can
kick
off
a
twenty-one
twenty
twenty-one
urban
services
study
and
that
would
be
the
groundwork
for
what
the
sewer
and
the
water
and
the
stormwater
services
would
need
to
be.
Maybe
staff
can
tell
us
how
long
they
think
that
would
take,
but
that
would
be
teeing
it
up
for
the
2025
comp
plan.
Oh
it's!
B
AB
Alert
at
the
planning
department-
that's
that's
correct!
We're
talking
about
doing
the
baseline
urban
services
study
around
2021.
That
would
lead
into
a
potential
decision
on
whether
or
not
to
redesign
eight
the
planning
Reserve
as
area
2,
which
means
it's
sellable
eligible
for
annexation
during
the
2025
Comprehensive
Plan
Update.
That's
through
our
current
process.
That's
in
our
IgA
for
the
comprehensive
plan
that
we
adopt
with
the
county.
AB
D
Go
anywhere
fill
what
Rachel
I
think
I
think
what
Rachel
was
getting
at
and
I
agree
with
is
that's
that's
our
plan
right
now.
Other
words,
if
we
weren't
going
to
talk
about
a
land
exchanging
like
that,
that's
something
we
talked
about
back
in
December
and
that's
kind
of
road
that
we
set
up
for
ourselves.
But
if
we
wanted
to
do
something
more
aggressively,
we
wanted
to
do
things
more
expeditiously
and
you
don't
have
to
answer
this
question
now.
B
B
So
only
point
to
raising
that
is.
We
have
a
certain
amount
of
control
as
a
land
over
landowner
as
well,
and
so
can
we
go
earlier
in
the
queue
if
we
had
the
urban
services
that
he
done
forced
a
portion,
but
not
all
of
the
planning
reserve.
So
would
there
be
a
way
to
move
that
forward
if
it
were
in
the
interest
to
see
you
in
the
city
to
do
so,
I.
AB
Q
Z
And
just
to
emphasize
what
Junie
said
you
know,
along
with
updating
us
on
the
conversations
we'll
see
you
around
housing
it'll
be
important,
I
think
to
be
updated
on
the
25th.
What
CU
is
saying
about
this
land
swap
possibility
I
understand
there
are
conversations
happening,
so
I
think
it's
useful
for
us
to
be
able
to
make
decisions
with
all
the
information
and
have
those
conversations
hopefully
expedited.
If.
AC
Good
evening
I'm
Francis
Street
for
the
university
I,
don't
think
we
have
anything
at
the
moment
we
have
had
some
conversations
about
considering
what
we
could
do
for
housing
and
looking
at
a
land
swap
and
Phil
is
just
getting
us
some
detailed
information
on
that.
So
it's
pretty
much
where
it
is
for.
AC
V
B
S
B
Suggestion
by
mark
I
also
just
observed
for
what
it's
worth
the
500-year
plan
is
the
most
cost
efficient
per
person
protected
in
this.
So
to
the
extent
that
you
just
look
at
the
numbers-
and
you
look
at
how
many
people
are
protected-
that's
got
the
one.
That's
got
the
highest
bang
for
the
buck.
As
far
as
we
take
out
of
harm's
way.
We
can't
do
that
and
still
preserve
the
hundred
twenty-nine
acres.
So
there's
that,
but
just
from
a
standpoint
of
comment
on
the
flood
design
that
is
the
most
economical
plus.
D
I
think
just
looking
at
your
notes
here,
that's
based
on
the
the
higher
cost.
In
other
words,
we
went
back
to
just
Joe's
flood
mitigation
cost,
so
this
includes
Phil
and
everything
we
need
to
do.
149
I
think
it's
even
more
dramatic
and
they
can
share
numbers
with
us,
but
more
dramatically,
protected
on
a
per
person
per
dollar
basis.
If
you
just
focus
on
the
flood
mitigation
facilities,
but
you'll
share
those
numbers
with
us.
Z
O
AB
O
If
the
city
owns
the
data,
so
through
zoning
or
building,
we
can
get
the
data.
If
it's
a
census,
data
or
a
demographic
data,
we
can't
get
it
because
we
don't
own
that
data,
we
don't
have
access
to
it
and
what
we
could
get
access
to
is
not
accurate.
But
what
we
have
about
buildings
and
zoning
is
accurate,
so
we
can
get
that.
K
O
D
AB
B
O
O
AD
There
we
go
good
to
go
yes
great.
So
thanks
for
having
us
this
evening,
Chris
is
introduction.
Chris
I,
just
a
personal
intro
I
thought
for
our
staff
members,
those
who
might
know
Chris
been
with
the
city
of
Boulder
for
12
years
and
within
the
gold,
boulder
division
he's
graduate
of
Ball
State
University
and
he
was
a
researcher
of
Drew's
degree.
Their
master's
degree
there
and
he's
researcher
at
Central
the
Transportation
University
in
Florida,
which
was
Center.
AD
They
do
a
lot
of
journal
publications,
so
Chris
is
very
well
educated
in
terms
of
Transportation,
Research
and
Finance.
So
we
have
him
on
this
task
because
he
cares
deeply
about
it
and
so
he's
gonna
give
an
overview
presentation
tonight.
What
I
wanted
to
ask
before
chris
starts
is
to
find
out
if
you
would
be
okay
with
option,
A
or
B
option,
a
being
can
Chris
go
through
it
he's
got
nine
slides.
AD
H
AD
AE
AE
Our
community's
vision
for
our
transportation
system
is
one
that
it's
well-maintained,
safe
and
sustainable
as
viable
and
provides
efficient.
Multimodal
options
creates
livable,
neighborhoods,
reduces
congestion,
reduces
emissions
and
improves
air
quality.
We
get
there
through
strategic
investments.
We
want
to
fully
fund
capital
and
routine
maintenance
to
provide
a
safe
transportation
system.
We
want
to
invest
in
the
for
ease
of
vision
grow.
AE
We
want
to
complete
our
bike,
Pet
Network
and
our
new
newly
conceived
low-stress
network,
and
we
need
to
invest
in
our
local
and
regional
travel
corridors
and
also
in
local
transit
service,
as
well
as
regional
bus,
rapid
transit,
we're
facing
a
number
of
issues
today,
sales
tax
is
not
keeping
up
with
inflation
and
we're
suffering
from
declining
purchasing
power.
We're
currently
deferring
key
maintenance
in
our
roads
and
bridges.
AE
There
is
increased
competition
for
funding
sources
at
all
level,
whether
at
the
state
or
at
the
federal
level,
and
one
of
the
more
pressing
issues
is
RTD
is
simply
unable
to
provide
the
service
both
and
regionally
that
we
need
to
meet
our
long-term
transportation
and
climate
goals.
With
all
this
in
mind,
in
in
kind
of
2018
and
into
2019,
the
city's
transportation
division
conducted
a
needs
assessment,
and
this
needs
assessment
revealed
significant
unmet
funding
needs
in
the
realm
of
annual
unmet
needs,
which
is
everything
from
operations
and
maintenance
to
plantings
and
programs.
AE
We
identified
approximately
23
million
dollars
in
unmet
needs
in
terms
of
one-time
capital
needs.
We
identified
at
about
21
million
dollars.
This
is
mostly
related
to
improving
our
broadband
network
and
our
traffic
ops
system
and
then
also
the
electrification
of
our
transit
system.
We
also
have
the
renewed
vision
for
transit,
which
essentially
caused
for
a
doubling
in
our
level
of
both
local
and
regional
transit,
to
meet
those
those
long-term
goals
and
especially
deal
with
our
regional
and
commuting
issues.
AE
With
the
completement
of
that
needs
assessment,
we
formed
in
2018
and
work
throughout
2019
with
a
community
funding
working
group.
This
contained
community
stakeholders
and
key
partners,
your
everyday
residents
as
well,
and
was
hosted
by
our
tab
members.
The
purpose
of
this
funding
group
was
to
identify
viable
local
and
regional
funding
mechanisms
for
later
tab
and
council
consideration,
and
we
brought
that
to
Council
I
think
in
in
June
of
2019
and
then
also
in
September
of
2019
as
part
of
that
TMP
adoption
process.
AE
What
the
working
group
did
was
work
with
staff
and
eventually
developed
this
tiered
approach
and
phased
approach
to
both
local
and
trans
and
regional
transportation
funding,
and
this
is
probably
a
familiar
slide
for
those
who,
with
have
been
on
council
and
and
new
to
some
of
those
are
newer
members.
But
what
this
really
represents.
Is
this
tiered
and
phased
approach
to
transportation
funding?
AE
AE
This
is
managing
the
curb
access
to
the
curb
and
eventually
creating
a
fee
system
for
the
news
like
FedEx
or
Amazon,
to
use
our
public
right-of-way
to
access
to
the
curb
to
do
business.
It
could
also
relate
to
TNCs
or
transportation
network
companies
like
uber
and
lyft.
It
is
a
mechanism
that
is
really
growing
in
interest
in
the
United.
States
has
been
implemented
in
a
couple
cities,
but
certainly
is
a
viable
mechanism
that
we
are
continuing
to
do.
Research
on
and.
AE
Fees
would
be
part
of
congestion,
pricing
or
user
fees.
There's
many
different
ways
to
price
a
trip.
You
could
have
a
cordon
fee
which
prices
when
you
cross
the
line.
You
can
have
a
tolling
mechanism
as
when
you
use
a
corridor
or
you
can
price
at
the
end
of
a
trip
which
would
be
on
the
parking
side
so
that
that
is
still
one
of
our
tier
twos.
AE
So,
as
I
was
saying,
you
know,
we
don't
believe
that
there's
a
silver
bullet
that's
going
to
help
both
our
local
and
our
regional,
and
that
we
may
have
to
take
this
tiered
approach.
So
the
Tier
one
mechanisms
that
were
identified
by
staff
in
the
community
working
group,
those
had
the
highest
level
of
consensus.
They
were
conceived
of
as
being
ready
to
go
and
could
be
implemented
into
the
near
term,
those
included
the
transportation
mobility
fee
and
the
the
countywide
transportation
tax,
a
transportation
mobility
fee.
This
is
a
very
common
mechanism.
AE
It's
throughout
the
United
States
it's
used.
Sometimes
it's
referred
to
as
transportation
maintenance,
fee
or
transportation
utility
fee
at
one
of
the
council
meetings,
the
idea
of
a
mobility
fee
came
up,
and
now
the
county
is
working
currently
working
on
a
transportation
tax.
More
we'll
have
an
update
on
that.
So
those
were
the
tier
1
mechanisms
thought
that
they
could
go
right
away.
The
tier
2
mechanisms
included
vehicle
registration
fees,
the
curbside
management
and
dynamic
pricing
and
user
fees
like
engine
pricing.
AE
The
tier
3
mechanism
was
vehicle
miles
traveled
tax,
which,
at
the
time
at
the
state
level,
was
really
kind
of
the
darling
child
of
future
transportation
funding,
but
it
seems,
as
lately
maybe
waning
in
its
popularity.
The
state
did
do
a
pilot
on
this,
so
I,
just
before
Sam
provides
his
update
on
the
county.
I
do
want
to
just
stress
that
there
is
a
significant
difference
between
a
local
mobility
fee
and
the
countywide
transportation
tax.
That's
being
proposed,
the
local
mobility
fee.
You
know
this
is
something
that
would
be
assessed
locally.
AE
It
would
be
neat,
it
would
be
used
for
our
local
needs.
It
is
a
fee,
it
could
be
enacted
by
council
or
it
could
be
taken
to
a
ballot
if
council
so
desired.
It
does
require
a
nexus
study.
Every
fee
requires
that
study
to
establish
that
rationale
nexus
between
how
you
collect
a
fee
and
then
how
the
revenues
can
be
used.
It's
very
different
from
a
tax
that
can
be,
you
know,
have
a
wide
range
of
uses.
AE
This
new
revenue
source
could
be
dedicated
to
any
number
of
unmet
needs
within
the
city
or
in
two
new
projects.
You
know
when
I
think
about
Loveland
ample
Loveland
just
to
the
north
of
north
of
us.
They
have
a
street
maintenance
fee
that
they've
had
since
I
believe
2007.
It
is
dedicated
solely
to
Street
maintenance
and
that's
how
it
was
packaged
and
and
and
delivered
to
their
population,
but
it
could
be
used
for
any
variety
of
things.
AE
The
nexus
study
would
help
determine
that
generally
they're
collected
through
utility
bills
and
on
both
residential
and
commercial
properties.
Now
one
of
the
key
things
that
council
will
have
to
consider
is
the
proportionality
between
residential
and
commercial.
That's
a
sliding
scale,
it
can
move.
You
know
who
pays
the
majority
of
that?
What
I
really
like
about
local
mobility
fee
is
its
reliable,
its
predictable
and
it
can
be
scalable
to
conduct
construction
cost
as
well
so
cost
of
rebar
cost
of,
and
it
can
be
indexed
to
that.
AE
On
the
other
hand,
you
have
the
county
transportation
tax,
that's
currently
being
looked
at,
and
a
number
of
us
have
attended
meetings
about
that.
This
is
a
countywide
tax,
they're,
looking
at
different
taxing
mechanisms,
whether
it's
sale,
tax,
property
tax,
even
vehicle
registration
fees,
they're.
Looking
at
this
is
a
potential
2020
valid
item.
This
revenue,
the
way
it's
currently
conceived,
would
be
dedicated
to
regional,
multimodal
improvements
and
then
also
could
be
used
for
future
bus,
rapid
transit
service
funding,
operating
funding.
AE
We're
also
looking
at
what
a
proportion
of
that
funding
be
brought
back
to
local
municipalities
that
could
be
used
on
local
projects
first
and
final
mile
projects
from
those
regional
corridors.
There
is
also
the
possibility
of
linking
it
to
affordable
housing,
and
so
with
that,
Mayor
Weaver
asked
to
give
an
update
this.
B
Is
just
from
a
county
meeting
that
was
held
in
convened
last
week
and
I
just
thought
we
should
all
be
aware
of.
What's
being
talked
about,
there,
there's
five
major
roadways
that
were
being
featured
on:
nineteen
Arapaho,
287,
42
and
south
boulder
road.
These
would
be
targeted,
I
believe
for
the
BRT
service.
The
thing
I
wanted
to
bring
to
everyone's
attention,
so
you
can
have
your
thoughts
put
in
the
hopper
now
before
it
gets
too
far
down
the
road.
B
It's
the
levels
of
sales
tax
they're
considering
are
0.6
and
1
cent,
so
that
is
pretty
significantly
high
amount.
We
don't
usually
talk
about
sales
tax
increments,
that
are
that
large,
so
I
just
wanted
Council
to
hear
that
it's
a
pretty
big
increase
in
sales
tax.
They
did
talk
about
a
registration
fee
and
they
did
talk
about
a
lodging
tax.
It
didn't
seem
like
the
lodging
tax
was
going
to
be
big
enough
and
it
seemed
like
they
were
gonna.
B
Pull
on
this
and
I
also
understood,
they
were
gonna,
have
property
tax
in
the
polling,
so
I,
don't
know
how
many
Mills
that's
gonna
be,
but
they
were
gonna
pull
everything
and
my
feedback
was:
let's
make
sure
this
is
gonna
pass.
If
we're
gonna,
do
it,
because
the
worst
thing
we
could
do
is
put
on
something
that
is
gonna
fail
and
set
us
back
multiple
years
and
I
guess
the
other
thing
I
thought
it
was
important
for
us
to
be
thinking
about,
because
it's
empower
MPO
bill.
B
The
Metro
planning
area
is
moving
forward
at
the
state
level
fatal
winner
has
introduced
it
it's
hard
to
read.
The
tea
leaves
about
whether
this
is
just
an
attempt
to
try
and
get
a
statewide
tax
passed
or
if
it
would
really
empower
doctor
cog.
The
one
concern
I
really
think
we
would
want
to
talk
about
if
it
empowered
doctor
cog
to
taxes
is
how
would
they
spend
the
money
like?
How
would
we
be
sure
we're
getting
the
types
of
transportation
projects
we
want,
which
might
look
different
than
other
counties
which
are
involved
in
doctor
cough?
B
Q
I
wonder
if
maybe
we
can
have
this
as
one
of
our
discussion
points
once
you
finish,
the
presentation
we're
actually
the
doctor
cog
meeting
tomorrow
evening,
we'll
be
discussing
the
empower
NPO
concept,
so
I
do
appreciate
the
chance
to
get
some
feedback
from
Council
tonight.
So
maybe
we
can
let
Chris
finish
and
then
come
back.
B
K
AE
AE
Think
it's
you
know
the
view
that
will
RTD,
under
its
current
financial
situation,
be
able
to
provide
the
level
of
service
that
is
needed
to
have
an
effective
Boulder
to
Longmont
service
along
the
119,
and
that
there
is
possibilities
that
we
would
need
to
augment
that
that
type
of
service,
it's
also
a
possibility
that
RTD
is
not
the
service
provider.
On
that
I
mean
there
there's
a
lot
of
different
conversations
that
are
happening
right
now.
The
total
cost
of
119
is,
you
know
it's
significant.
AE
K
AE
Q
Q
And
then
but
then
the
question
is:
where
does
the
funding
come
from
and
so
the
we
continue
to
lobby
RTD
for
putting
in
money
they've
agreed
to
put
in
30
million
on
119,
but
that's
essentially
all
they're
promising
anybody
at
this
point,
where
we've
worked
with
CDOT
to
get
these
quarters
high
on
our
funding
priority
list
to
get
additional
help
and
had
the
statewide
tax
passed,
we
would
have
gotten
a
fair
amount
of
money
out
of
that.
So
we
keep,
we
keep
lobbying
for
it,
and
so
then
this
would
be
a
decision
point.
Q
B
I
left
out
something
that
I
should
have
included
in
this.
The
discussion
at
the
meeting
was
two-thirds
transportation,
one-third
for
affordable
housing,
so
that
was
where
it
kind
of
got
posture.
Mm-Hmm
I,
don't
know
how
firm
that
is,
but
that
is
something
else
to
have
in
the
hopper.
Is
that
there's
an
attempt
to
do
both
things
at
once
and
I
think?
B
The
idea
is
that,
if
you
put
them
together,
they're
more
likely
to
pass
I
I
would
ask
for
council's
feedback
on
that
as
well,
because
I'm
not
sure
that's
correct
or
incorrect,
but
just
FYI
all
of
the
revenues
from
either
one
of
these
level
would
not
be
going
to
transportation.
It
will
be
a
split
about
two-thirds,
one-third.
AE
AE
You
know
based
on
what
we
want
to
fund
and
the
revenue
generation
seeking
that
will
help
also
inform
what
those
rates
are,
and
then
we
also
want
to
take
a
careful
look
at
equity
issues
with
this
fee
as
well.
Looking
at
our
social
and
racial
equity
instrument,
this
would
be
something
that
would
be
applied
to
this
process
and
also
looking
at
the
the
economic
side
as
well
with
the
residential
versus
commercial
issue.
That
will
need
to
be
determined,
as
I
said,
as
part
of
the
community
engagement
I
would
reconstitute
our
fronting
working
group.
AE
We
did
have
some
attrition,
so
we'd
be
looking
at
filling
out
that,
but
I
do
have
a
number
of
members.
That
said,
they
would
like
to
continue
to
work
on
that,
and
some
of
them
are
representatives
of
our
key
stakeholders
like
Cu,
for
example,
in
this
community
engagement
we'd,
also
looking
at
applying
this
equity
instrument,
and
we
would
then
hope
to
return
council
following
the
nexus
study
and
the
further
research
to
provide
some
recommendations
to
council.
If
you
would
like
to
move
forward
with
this
fee.
AE
Here
are
some
options
and
then
the
staff
recommendation
so,
and
so
with
that,
it's
simply
the
questions
that
we're
contained
in
your
memo
about.
Shall
we
proceed
with
this
fee
design
and
the
nexus
study,
and
it
do
you
have
any
comments
on
our
community
engagement
and
then,
of
course,
as
well?
If
there
are
other
funding
mechanisms
that
you
are
interested
in,
we
can
certainly
add
those
to
the
mix.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Mark
I.
S
Guess
this
question
is
for
you
and
and
possibly
for
Sam
as
well.
Are
you
at
all
concerned
that
these
two
tax
measures,
one
is
a
FEMA
and
one
is
a
tax
measure,
will
cancel
each
other
out
a
little
bit,
one
of
them
building
resistance
to
the
other
you're
effectively
asking
for
a
fee
on
the
local
community
and
a
countywide
tax
on
the
entire
county
and
I'm
a
little
concerned
that
running
them
simultaneously
or
almost
simultaneously
will
have
that
kind
of
impact.
So.
AE
I
would
say
you
know,
with
the
RFP
process
included,
which
you
know
drafting
putting
out
for
X
amount.
You
know
two
to
three
weeks,
getting
the
responses
evaluate
and
then
conducting
the
study.
I
would
say
this
is
least
probably
a
four
month
that
may
be
the
the
tightest
we
could.
We
could
do
in
this
type
of
situation.
Maybe
more
realistic
is
a
five
month
situation
and,
and
certainly
there
are
concerns
about
timing
and
and
the
you
know,
the
messages
that
are
being
sent
to
voters
about.
AE
Well,
we
have
serious
local
needs,
but
there's
also
big
regional
needs
and,
having
you
know,
two
things
at
once
could
could
be
problematic
for
sure
and
so
I
think
that's
some
input
that
staff
would
love
to
receive
from
Council
was
you
know
there
are
thoughts
on
that?
The
timing
of
this
issue
and
do
you
take
a
wait-and-see
approach
and
see
what
happens
at
the
county
level?
You
know
the
county
tax
is
not
going
to
solve
our
local
issues,
but
it
it.
Certainly.
The
timing
is
something
consider.
S
AE
I
think
you
know.
Certainly
that
is
true
if
we
were
to
have
a
local
mobility
fee
that
would
raise
enough
money
to
solve
our
issues.
It
would
probably
be
not
viable,
but
at
some
point
we
have
to
start
we're
deferring
maintenance,
we're
not
going
to
find
it
within
our
existing
budget.
There
is
a
need
for
local
improvements
and
at
what
point
do
we
say?
AE
B
D
It's
pre-process
questions.
My
first
one
was
was
kind
of
pretty
much
marks
which
is
and
I
guess.
This
is
a
question
for
Council
as
much
as
anything
do
we
want
to
wait
a
month
or
two
ish
before
wanting
to
spend
sixty
or
seventy
five
thousand
dollars
on
the
nexus
study,
because
well
I
get
the
fact
that
what
the
county
would
fund
and
what
we
would
fund
may
be
different
things.
D
I
could
see
an
impact
on
what
we
study
and
what
we
ultimately
fund
based
upon
what
the
county
does
or
doesn't
do
and
so
I
think
I
just
throw
that
out
there
for
consideration.
Maybe
we
discussion,
we
could
talk
a
little
bit
about
whether
we
want
to
like
that,
because
you
guys
could
start
down
the
path
tomorrow
morning
and
then
two
months
later
going
like
well,
that's
not
gonna
quite
work
anymore
I'm.
So
a
second
is
also
a
bit
of
a
timing
issue,
and
this
is
maybe
probably
as
much
a
question
for
Jane
again.
D
It
goes
to
time
you
know
of
the
study.
One
other
piece
of
information
I
think
we're
gonna
have
here
in
the
next
few
months
and
then
ultimately,
I
think
developers
are
getting
to
decide,
is
whether
there's
a
formation
of
a
library
district
and
if
there
is
a
formation
of
a
library
district,
and
it
has
a
taxing
funding
source
that
may
free
up
money
from
from
the
money
we
spend
on
library,
operations
cause
it'd
be
to
be
self-funding,
which
could
be
potentially
a
source
for
funding
for
transportation
and
other
needs.
Is
that
a
fair
assumption?
Jane.
O
Library
District
were
formed
and
we
continue
to
collect
the
sales
taxes
that
we
currently
are
collecting.
There
would
be
funds
available
in
every
budget
year.
Those
funds
would
go
to
the
general
fund
and
the
council
would
have
the
decision
about
how
to
spend
them.
The
thing
is,
we
have
one
group
in
front
of
us
with
very
huge
needs.
We
often
think.
O
Oh,
we
could
spend
money
on
that,
but
don't
forget
in
two
weeks
we're
gonna
have
the
fire
master
plan
in
front
of
you
this
year,
we're
working
on
a
police
master
plan
and
a
Parks
and
Rec
master
plan.
So
there
are
many
needs
and
six
and
a
half
million
dollars
or
so
gets
spent
very
quickly.
So
we
have
to
be
careful
and
not
decide
tonight.
D
This
nexus
study
and
fees,
as
my
understanding
and
I
think
Tom's
taught
us
this
is-
is
that
there
has
to
be
a
correlation
between
the
fee
and
the
thing
the
fee
is
spent
on
right
and
do
you
need
from
us
what
our
priorities
are
all
right?
In
other
words,
are
you
gonna
study,
everything
and
I'll,
give
you
some
examples.
Obviously,
if
our
priority
was
Regional
Transit,
then
there
needs
to
be
a
fee.
That
kind
of
somehow
relates
to
regional
transit.
If
our
priority
was
local
street
maintenance,
you
may
come
up
with
a
completely
different
fee.
AE
I
certainly
think
you
know
in
in
the
complexity
of
the
nexus
study.
It
would
be
beneficial
to
have
input
from
council
on
what
your
funding
and
priorities
would
be,
and
I
mentioned.
You
know
when
different
communities
have
enacted
these
fees.
They
typically
have
a
theme
as
a
way
to
communicate
it
to
the
population
that
we're
enacting
this
fee,
and
it's
gonna
go
specifically
to
these
things,
and
this
is
how
it's
going
to
benefit
you.
AE
You
know
my
understanding,
it
is
what
is
the
the
process
of
the
collection
of
the
fee
and
what?
How
is
it
assessed?
There's
many
different
ways
in
which
a
fee
like
this
could
be
assessed
in
Loveland.
They
actually
use
a
length
of
frontage
on
public
right-of-way
of
the
property
to
determine
the
the
cost
other.
The
most
commonly
one
used
is
using
the
Institute
of
traffic
engineers
trip
generation
rates.
So
how
many
trips
does
a
residential
property
generate?
AE
P
Q
P
Not
you,
you
may
remember
that
the
Supreme
Court
ruled
on
the
aspen
bag
fee
and
upheld
it,
and
they
gave
rather
broad
scope
to
what
you
could
do
and
so,
for
example,
we
fund
with
our
bag
fee
replacement
bags
for
folks
and
educational
materials
and
things
so
I
think
we
have
more
more
ability,
I'd
hate
to
go
too
far
so,
but
there
I
think
you've
got
some
scope.
This
here's.
P
So
we
don't
let
them
sit
too
long
that
I
don't
know
that
there's
a
Burke
case.
That's
been
challenged
as
one
that
was
too
stale.
As
long
as
the
logic
is
good,
we
reused
one
for
several
years
and
didn't
get
challenged
on
it.
I'd
hate
to
go
too
far.
If
we're.
Certainly,
if
there
was
a
material
changing
conditions,
then
you
would
have
some
level
of
risk.
O
AD
Add
that
the
price,
the
costs
of
transportation
and
delivering
services
and
infrastructure
2030
percent
every
year
we
just
open
new
bids
from
contractors
for
signals
and
they
went
up
40
percent,
so
the
delivery
side
of
this
conversation
is
advancing
rapidly
in
terms
of
the
cost.
So
when
I
this
about
19
months
ago,
before
I
was
here,
we
had
one
that
was
two
years
old.
It
was
almost
out
of
date
at
that
point
because
of
the
costs.
So
that's
the
high
level
I
I
would
just
ask
a
favor
tonight.
AD
We
can
bring
back
before
we
sign
the
RFP,
the
consultant,
and
you
can.
You
can
ask
them
all
of
these
questions,
because
I
don't
think
we're
gonna
get
them
right
tonight
entirely,
and
you
have
a
lot
more
and
I.
Don't
want
to
short-circuit
those.
The
fundamental
question
that
I
think
is
really
critical
for
us
for
path
forward
is.
AD
Would
you
like
us
to
start
that
process
given
all
of
the
tea
leaves
that
are
emerging,
or
would
you
like
us
to
hold
and
wait
until
we
know
more
of
those
tea
leaves,
maybe
through
the
summer
into
the
fall
and
I
think
and
at
that
point,
once
again
we
will
bring
back
the
consultant,
the
everything
you
need
to
know
as
a
first
task
in
that
scope
and
we'd
be
good
to
have
the
meet.
So
we
could
talk
through
that,
but
I.
Don't
think
that
we
can
get
you
all
those
answers
tonight.
So.
K
Which
is
the
reason
I
was
asking
about
the
the
shelf
life
for
it,
because
I
think
that
if
we
go
ahead
and
say,
go
for
it
tonight
and
go
get
going
on
Nexus
V
study
it
made
of
tail
well,
not
a
lot
more
nicely
into
the
ballot
time,
and
so
we'll
be
able
to
really
look
at
things
with
more
information
rather
than
we
may
not.
Have
the
information
by
the
time
the
the
ballots
come
before
us.
Z
Thanks
for
the
great
presentation,
thank
you,
gentlemen.
I
think.
Maybe
a
philosophical
question
and
I
understand
that
other
cities
are
doing
this
already,
but
want
to
make
sure
I'm
understanding,
we'd
be
getting
a
utility
bill
and
at
the
bottom
of
it
there
would
be
a
new
fee
for
this
transportation
tax.
So
that's
correct
and
right
now
our
utility
bill
doesn't
have
anything
like
that
right.
It
does.
Okay,
what's
what's
currently
on
it,
flood
storm.
Z
But
it
all
seems
kind
of
related
to
the
utility,
water
and
and
water
coming
in
and
out
of
the
house,
whereas
Transportation
would
be
sort
of
untethered
to
a
utility
bill,
and
so
that's
one
question
and
then
could
anything
go
at
the
bottom
of
the
bill
like?
Could
we
eventually
tack
on,
say
an
open
space
text,
or
does
it
have
to
be
only
transportation?
Z
AE
You
know
just
quickly
I
think,
on
the
philosophical
side,
I
think
you
know,
looking
at
the
transportation
system
as
a
utility
system
is
where
a
lot
of
these
ideas
first
formed
when
cities
started
enacting
these
fees.
It
also
is
an
established
collection
mechanism.
So,
in
terms
we
wouldn't
be
creating
a
new
mechanism
collect
funds,
we
already
have
a
utility
billing
system
and
it
would
could
be
part
of
that.
B
P
A
real
policy
question
for
council
more
than
it
is
for
staff.
You
could
you
wouldn't
never
put
a
tax
on
a
bill.
Obviously,
because
you
can't
attack
there's
nothing
attacks.
It
is.
You
should
be
clear
that
the
three
fees
that
week
are,
we
have
our
four
three
distinct
utilities.
We
have
a
water
utility,
a
sewer
utility
and
a
flood
utility.
We
call
storm
water
agility,
but
so
those
are
the
ones
we
currently
collect.
We
don't
have
any
transportation
utility
you.
You
have
the
power
to
create
one.
P
B
D
Is
that
a
possible
I
mean
I'll,
throw
one
out
there,
which
is
not
really
popular
about
it,
but
maybe
makes
the
point
I
mean
there's
been
talk
through
the
years
of
ahead
tax
right?
Where
were
employers
and
employees
kick
in
some
amount
per
month?
I
know
a
lot
of
seasoned
Colorado
have
that,
and
that
could
be
a
funny
mechanism.
I
would
think
for
transportation,
and
that
maybe
gets
a
little
bit
closer
to
this
resident
versus
commuter
equity.
AE
I'm,
not
exactly
sure
I
would
have
to
really
think
about
that,
but
the
understanding
of
the
mobility
fee
was
something
that
was
supported
by
the
chamber
was
that
it
would
be
a
fee
that
would
be
collected
on
both
residential
and
commercial
properties.
So
by
collecting
the
fee
on
commercial
properties,
it
would
be
in
a
sense,
a
way
in
which
the
business
community
would
be
contributing
to
that
follow.
AE
Tax
I
think
one
could
argue
is:
is
ahead
tax,
something
that
would
motivate
a
behavior
change,
probably
not
anything
compared
to
using
parking
pricing
or
using
Corden
fees
or
tolling
fees
that
are
direct
costs
on
the
user
and
have
a
direct
economic
impact,
and
therefore,
could
you
know
be
an
influencer
in
travel,
behavior
change,
I,
think
those
are
those
are
still
mechanisms
that
we
want
to
look
at
I.
Think
the
and
just
to
say
the
concern
of
the
funding
working
group
on
congestion,
pricing
and
user
fees
was.
What
is
the
impact?
Q
Just
follow
up
on
that
I
think
Bob
does
for
good
points.
I
mean
it
strikes
me
that
that
the
that
this
maintenance
fee-
and
we
would
have
some
connection
to
Inc
commuters
right
because
that
you'd
be
charging
for
trips
associated
with
a
business
and
a
number
of
those
trips
would
be
from
the
people
are
coming
in
from
out
of
town
right,
so
I
mean
I,
think
you
would
be
hitting
that
at
least
a
little
bit,
probably
not
serving
as
a
disincentive,
probably
but
you'd
at
least
be
associating
yourself.
Q
Q
So
this
seems
like
very,
very
promising
mechanism
to
me,
I
liked
what
you
said
about
bringing
a
consultant
back
so
that,
rather
than
just
saying,
okay
well
we'll
go,
do
the
study
and
then
we'll
come
back
and
share
it
with
you.
I
like
the
idea
of
the
next
step.
Being
okay,
let's
go
find
a
consultant,
bring
them
back,
ask
all
the
questions
and
then
give
them
the
specific
direction
about
exactly
how
to
proceed
with
this.
So
I,
really
like
that
idea.
Q
One
thing
I
want
to
be
sensitive
to,
though,
is
the
potential
interaction
with
these
other
taxes
that
you
all
have
brought
up.
So,
for
example,
if
we,
if
the
county
did
decide
to
bring
forward
to
transportation
tax-
and
we
supported
this
as
a
body
I
would
hate
to
impose
a
fee
in
October
and
then
you
know
have
the
the
new
tax
be
on
the
ballot.
You
know
a
few
weeks
later,
I
think
that
would
be
a
poor
choice
of
timing,
so
I
think
and
and
similarly
the
if
this
empower
MPO
thing
gets
anywhere.
Q
I,
don't
know
if
it
will.
You
know
that
that
would
be
another
thing
to
consider.
So
I
think
we
would
want
to
be
really
careful
about
the
timing
of
it
as
if
he
interacts
with
these
other,
these
other
potential
funding
mechanisms
and
if
the
County
Transportation
texts
went
forward
and
it
passed
that
may
reduce
the
need
for
this.
So
you
know
we
could
look
at
it
differently,
but,
like
Mary
said,
since
we
have
a
bit
of
a
shelf
life
for
the
nexus
study,
I
think
it's
worth
working
on.
U
Let
me
take
my
bean
in
economics
and
talk
about
opportunity
cost
for
a
quick
second.
If
we
weren't
to
do
this,
could
we
potentially
do
something
with
maybe
a
greater
impact
more
quickly,
so
I
look
at
structuring
our
parking
fees
in
the
congestion
pricing
fee
type
of
thing.
You
know:
how
much
could
we
potentially
move
up
some
of
those
mid
term
items
to
near-term?
If
this
just
because
to
me,
it
feels
a
bit
half-measure.
I'm
still,
probably
going
to
support
it.
U
AE
No
I
certainly
see
you
know,
congestion,
pricing,
user
fees
as
being
the
future
I
think,
and
we
can-
and
you
know
from
my
perspective
it
being
a
Tier
two
mechanism.
It
still
means
we
are
continuing
to
do
research
and
and
determine
what
would
be
the
best
path
for
implementation,
it's
being
back-burnered
in
any
way,
I
think
the
tier
ones
were
just
considered
to
be
more
ready,
more
ready
to
go
the
the
congestion
pricing
in
user
fees.
AE
Is
it's
a
lot
more
complicated
in
terms
of
the
actual
implementation
and
the
technology
and
everything
it
would
take
a
lot
more
time.
I
think
now
parking
pricing
is
certainly
you
know.
That
is
a
different
option
that
could
have
a
more
significant,
immediate
impact.
I
think
that
is,
you
know,
certainly
direction
from
Council.
We
can
receive.
V
AA
To
go
back
because
you're
talking
about
user
fees
and
congestion
fees-
and
you
also
talked
about
mobility
fees
and
I,
know
part
of
the
discussion
is
whether
we
tax
commercial
or
we
tax
people.
And
if
we're
talking
about
equity,
taxing
people,
we
need
to
look
into
progressive
taxing,
because
if
you
really
think
about
it
a
lot
of
the
people.
AA
Well,
maybe
you
can
provide
us
some
of
the
statistics
on
who
are
the
type
of
people
who
are
coming
in
to
Boulder
to
work
and
what
are
what
is
their
socio
economics
because
taxing
we
have
to
ensure
that
we
tax
the
right
people
right,
because
if
we're
talking
about
equity,
we
don't
want
to
hurt.
Although
yes,
it's
good
for
the
environment,
but
we
don't
want
to
hurt
people
who
are
the
only
driving
in
because
they
can't
leave
here
in
Boulder
right.
AE
K
I
think
that
that
meets
the
eye
and
I'll
give
you
an
example
with
my
favorite
program,
which
is
the
the
3
from
3
to
3
the
Holy
Trinity,
but
it
has
actually
benefited
a
really
broad
section
of
people.
I
mean
people
that
are
going
at
restaurants,
people
that
are
working
in
the
restaurants,
the
tourists
it's
and
it's
generating
more
revenue,
so
lower
parking
fee
actually
has
created
more
revenue,
so
I
think
that's
an
example
of
how
nuanced
it
can
be
and
now
and
how,
when
you
wrap
equity
into
it,
everybody
can
benefit
so
anyway.
Q
Q
K
AE
And
and
according
to
utility
billing,
it
may
be
easier
to
have
exemptions
rather
than
rebates.
You
know
in
in
the
in
the
way
in
which
they're
billing
system
works,
rebates,
I,
think,
are
a
little
more
complicated,
more
admin
where,
if
we
find
classes
that
should
be
exempt,
that
would
be
from
their
perspective,
better.
D
So
I
want
to
support
Aaron's
approach
and
I.
Think
I
think
we
can
accomplish
two
things
by
doing
what
Aaron
suggested
one
is
is
that
I
would
really
appreciate
the
opportunity
for
whoever
you
pick
as
your
consultant
to
interact
with
counsel
and,
of
course,
I
think
guidance
from
staff,
so
we're
not
overlooking
all
over
the
place
right
and
so
to
the
extent
that
you
need
us
to
focus
on
priorities,
obviously
come
forward
with
some
ideas
about
you
know,
and
we
can
then
pick.
D
I
think
that
a
little
bit
of
a
delay
is
actually
okay,
because
we're
gonna
learn
more
I,
think
over
the
next
two
or
three
months
about
what's
going
on
with
the
county
and
regionally
in
the
state,
and
that
may
further
inform
what
we
ultimately
would
like
the
consultant
to
study
so
I
think
there's
a
win-win.
There.
U
Just
quick
response
and
Mary
I
totally
agree:
I
love
the
new
three
to
three
program
as
a
frequent
downtown
user
and
someone
who
worked
there
really
really
helpful.
My
only
issue
is
with
our
congestion
in
the
mornings.
I,
don't
think,
we've
been
nearly
nuanced
enough
in
our
parking
in
that
regard,
so
going
forward.
U
That's
where
I'd
really
like
to
concentrate
yes,
I
definitely
want
to
make
sure
that
our
late
downtown
user,
you
still
have
options
and
that
they're
inexpensive,
because
I
know
what
it's
like
to
work
in
the
industry,
but
the
people
who
are
coming
in
and
their
early
mornings
tend
to
be
at
the
higher
income.
So
working
on
that
particular
area
is
what
I'm
looking
for
in
the
future.
Beyond
this.
U
Z
Gonna
support
moving
forward,
but
I
do
have
again
continued
concerns
about.
Why
would
transportation
go
here
and,
as
Jayne
pointed
out
like
when,
when
Fire
Department
comes,
why
wouldn't
we
decide?
We
want
to
just
also
tuck
a
fee
there
and
I'm
concerned
about
why
why
this
here
and
so
I
hope
that
when
it
comes
back,
we
have
a
robust
discussion
about
the
that
decision
and
the
precedent
that
it
sets
I.
S
D
That's
certainly
were
not
making
any
decisions
with
respect
to
fees
or
putting
transportation
and
a
higher
priority
thing
else
and,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
probably
about
the
time
these
guys
come
back
with
their
consultant.
We
started
looking
at
priorities.
We
should
Junie
and
Mary
and
I
should
have
some
preliminary
recommendations
to
Council
on
tools
that
do
exactly
what
you
and
Mark
are
talking
about
is
the
two
of
you
were
talking
about.
Is
it's
making
sure
that
we're
looking
at
things
holistically
and
broadly
and
not
just
chasing
the
shiny
object?
That's
in
front
of
us.
B
Just
close
up
here,
I
also
support
going
forward,
but
Connexus
study,
I,
think
that
has
to
get
done
one
way
or
the
other.
What
fee
method
we
choose
will
be
kind
of
open
to
us
to
discuss
I
mean
when
we
talked
about
this
last
time
it
was
Street
frontage.
You
know
which
has
some
relationship
to
probably
homeownership
if
it's
privately
owned
home
and
it's
probably
less
if
it's
an
apartment
building
so
I
think
there's
ways
that
we
could
massage
that
and
come
up
with
creative
ways
of
doing
it.
B
Whether
it
shows
up
on
the
utility
bill
or
not
I
mean
we
can
talk
about
whether
that's
the
right
thing
or
not,
but
that's
a
convenient
thing.
We've
talked
about
that
with
our
electric
utility
as
well,
just
because
we
already
have
the
billing
system
in
place,
but
doesn't
change
the
take-home
message,
which
is
get
started
on
the
next
to
study
and
I
agree
with
everything
everyone
said
about
tracking
what
else
is
moving
at
the
same
time
and
trying
to
get
our
timing
right
so
we're
not
we're
not
negatively
impacting
certainly
to
the
county.
B
B
I've
got
some
grave
doubts
about
that.
So,
let's
track
it,
if
it's
not
going
anywhere
fine
but
actually
from
Louisville,
is
concerned
that
we
could
have
a
bunch
of
cities
in
Boulder,
County
forced
into
dr.
cog,
where
we
don't
always
have
the
same.
You
know
understanding
of
what
transit
means
says
the
entire
membership
does.
So,
let's
be
careful
about
that
one,
and
is
this
enough
direction?
Yes,
yes,.
AE
AD
I
just
ask
a
coordination
question,
so
if
we
brought
that
back
in
May
there's
a
first
touch
point,
would
that
be
too
soon?
If
we
all
were
forecasting
I,
don't
think
so,
I
think
we
did
that
in
May.
That
would
be
right
before
the
summer.
We
know
more.
Did
that
interface
with
the
funding
working
group,
so
we
we.
B
AD
P
About
mostly
I
just
wanted
to
remind
council
that
on
March
3rd
we
will
have
a
more
detailed
presentation
on
online
petitioning
we,
our
staff,
met
with
the
election
working
group.
They
had
some
suggestions
that
differed
from
the
approach
that
this
staff
was
taking,
we'd
like
to
bring
those
to
you
and
get
some
direction
on
whether
we
should
proceed
in
the
way
that
we're
proceeding
or
take
a
different
direction.
P
For
example,
the
staff
because
of
technical
requirements
has
decided
that
you
will
either
have
a
paper
petition
or
an
online
petition,
but
not
both
for
the
same
petition,
because
that
you'd
have
duplicated
signatures.
Some
handwritten
some
online.
The
working
group
wants
us
to
consider
doing
both
at
the
same
time,
which
is
a
different
project
and
more
complex
project.
P
K
K
It
is
inaccurate
in
the
sense
that
I
believe
we're
all
behind
the
city
attorney
on
this,
just
when
it
mm-hmm
okay,
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
clear
that
that
that
that
was
drastically
misleading,
if
not
completely
inaccurate.
So
that
was
my
main
point
of
bringing
that
up
to
call
that
attention
to
that.
There
has
been
the
new
development
that
the
attorney
Stan
Garnett
is
suing
the
city
and
CCA
on
behalf
of
yet
undisclosed
know
their
name
and
so
I.
Just
I
guess:
I
have
a
question
for
Tom.
P
Three
crimes
with
claims
really
in
the
complaint,
two
of
them
against
CCA
and
one
against
the
city.
The
first
one
against
CCA
actually
argues
that
CCA
is
a
homeowner's
association
and
that
they
fail
to
follow
the
state
law
for
residential
nonprofit
corporations.
They
don't
meet
the
definition,
but
that's
one
of
the
things.
That's
always
scared
us
that
the
the
Cottagers
would
treat
Chautauqua
as
their
private
homeowners
association.
P
It's
not
it's
a
multi-faceted
place
that
benefits
a
wide
range
of
stakeholders
and
it's
very
important
in
our
community
and
while
most
people
agree
that
cottages
are
played
an
important
role.
I'm,
not
sure
they
play
as
an
important
role
as
the
way
it
provides
open
space
to
our
whole
community
and
the
the
fact
that
there
are
million-dollar
homes
up.
P
There
may
be
inconsistent
with
our
goals
for
that
for
that
property
for
the
long
term
and
we've
kind
of
tolerated
it
for
a
hundred
years,
and
it's
been
a
wonderful
sort
of
nice
thing
there,
but
that's
that
property
serves
so
many
important
functions.
And
now
we
have
a
group
that
has
very
valuable
homes
who
are
telling
us
that
it's
their
private
homeowners
association
I,
don't
think
it
meets
the
definition.
I
just
think
that
it's
wrong
the
city's.
P
P
It's
unfortunate-
and
that
was
one
of
the
reasons
that
Mary
and
Lisa
Moore,
Zell
and
Bob,
who
were
all
served
on
that
board,
came
to
me
and
said
this
is
a
problem.
What
we're
wasting
so
much
time
and
money
that
really
should
be
going
to
benefit
our
community
and
it's
instead,
it's
going
to
lawyers
and
we
will
defend,
we
will
keep
working
on
this.
It
is
unfortunate.
P
It's
troubling,
though,
the
amount
of
money
they've
spent
on
this
I
mean,
if
you
think
about
how
expensive,
Stan
garnet
is
and
he's
worth.
Every
penny
he's
a
good
lawyer.
How
expensive
is
to
take
a
quarter
page
ad
in
The
Daily
Camera,
to
do
that.
All
that
they've
hired
mark
Mike,
Mark
Mosley
as
a
PR
representative.
This.
This
is
money,
that's
being
used
to
generate
to
force
CCA
to
respond
with
money
that
really
should
be
going
into
our
community.
But,
yes,
I'm
not
saying
that
we're
going
to
get
rid
of
the
Cottagers.
P
Although
and
in
the
least,
we
recognize
their
importance,
but
they
are
one
stakeholder.
This,
the
other
stakeholders,
are
the
open
space
users,
the
community
around
it,
the
people
who
go
to
concerts
the
people
who
get
married
there's
so
many
people
who
benefit
was
600,000
resident,
bizza
ters
a
year
to
have
39
homeowners
telling
us
what
to
do
is
really
troubling
sure.
D
I
assume
that
it's
okay,
we
just
all
endorse
what
you're
doing,
obviously
from
a
city
standpoint,
some
of
us
have
also
been
asked
in
our
individual
capacities
to
take
a
position
on
this
and
to
maybe
write
letters,
the
editor
or
sign
up
the
ads
or
whatever
to
endorse.
You
know
the
bylaw
changes
the
modernization,
the
bylaws.
Are
you?
Okay
with
that.
P
P
B
U
Actually
and
those
approximately
cost
$10,000
apiece,
so
that's
no
small
amount
and
that
would
come
out
of
Parks
and
Rec
budget,
but
Parks
and
Rec
didn't
have
that
in
their
budget.
So
that's
something
for
council
to
be
aware
of
that.
We
are
not.
You
know
supporting
all
of
our
sister
cities
to
the
equal
amount
which
we
may
want
to
think
about
in
the.
D
Long
term
and
we
move
on,
can
I
make
a
suggestion.
Then
yeah
the
Rotary
Club,
the
one
that
meets
on
Friday
afternoons
out
on
east
arapahoe,
has
had
a
special
interest
in
the
sister
city,
plaza
for
a
long
long
time.
It's
been
affect
they'd
like
to
do
more.
There
I
wonder
if
we
could
visit
with
them
about
maybe
doing
some
fundraising
too.
Maybe
there
could
be
a
cost
sharing
between
parks
and
in
the
Rotarians
just
thrown
that
out
there
yeah.
U
And
there
was
also
a
discussion
of
having
some
sort
of
fundraiser
near
the
conference
on
world
affairs
since
its
kind
of
a
mutually
beneficial
type
of
thing
there,
but
that
was
just
an
update
for
council
also,
it
seems
like
a
lot
of
the
websites
for
the
sister
cities
on
our
city.
Website
are
kind
of
out
of
date,
so
we're
yet
to
work
on,
hopefully
getting
the
information
from
them
that
they
want
up
there
and
then
putting
that
up
there.
Those
were
the
two
main
sort
of
things
that
came
up
I
just
want
cancel
now.