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Alex
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gensler:
and
then
finally,
a
couple
of
comments
that
weren't
official,,
but
from
the
planning
board
regarding
mass
and
scale
so
chandler
mentioned.,
one
of
the
main
things
that
we
did
is
we
remove
the
fourth
level
bringing
this
building
really
into
zoning
compliance.
we've
also
reduced
the
overall
square
footage
from
the
original
concept
by
about
30,000
square
feet.
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Alex
garrison,
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gensler:
and
then
finally,.
We
introduced
a
northern
facing
lobby,,
which
is
a
long
pearl
parkway
that
creates
a
direct
connection
to
the
multimodal
path
and
also
accesses
bike
facilities
both
to
the
public,
as
well
as
the
building
on
the
inside..
So
it
really
has
2
faces.
now
to
the
building.
2
front,
faces.
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Alex
garrison,
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gensler:
along
the
northern
edge
of
the
site.,
the
site
itself
is
light,,
industrial
or
industrial.
g.
here
you
can
see
where
the
campus
is..
So
it's
it's
really
in
that
kind
of
in
that
area
of
boulder.
That
is
intended
for
research
and
manufacturing.,
and
in
this
case
we
are
targeting
live
science..
So
this
building
is
designed
for
life.
science,
functions.
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Alex
garrison,
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gensler:
and
in
terms
of
the
in
terms
of
the
sorry.,
I
don't
think
my
team
could
see
this..
So
let
me
pull
it
out
a
little
bit.
in
terms
of
the
the
buildings..
You
can
see
the
context.
they're,
all
3
story,
buildings.
on
campus
couple
or
2,
really
breaking
glasses.
kind
of
the
the
aesthetic.,
and
so
we
took
that
approach.
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alex
garrison,
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gensler:.
Let
me
jump
back.,
one
slide.
it
jumped
on
me,
so
we
took
that
approach,
and-
and
this
is
just
for
reference,
what
the
original
concept
that
we
came
in
with..
You
can
see
here
the
4
stories
in
the
much
more
higher
increase
of
curtain
wall,
and
what
we
did
with
that
is,.
We
really
evolved
the
design
to
be
much
more
compatible.,
as
I
mentioned,
so
the
the
building
is
now
3
stories..
The
the
predominant
architecture
is
punched
brick
window,
aesthetic.
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Alex
garrison,
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gensler:
in
the
middle
of
the
building,,
which,
when
you
zoom
out
this,
is
an
elevation.
It
shows
you
basically
our
building
the
middle
one
here.
this
proposed
in
context
to
its
adjacent
business,
part
buildings.,
and
you
can
see
across
the
lot
now..
There
is
a
much
more
compatible,,
much
more
sort
of
rhythmic.
you
know.
kind
of
quality
to
this
building,
as
opposed
to
earlier.,
and
one
thing
to
note,.
Too,
is
a
lot
of
these
buildings.
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garrison
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gensler:
so
that
there
doesn't
feel
to
be
any
large
expanses
of
glass
or
any
other
type
of
facade..
So
you
can
see
right
here
in
my
cursor,
the
main
mass.
break
point,
and
then
you
can
see,
you
know,
cross
pearl
parkway,,
which
is
this
image
where
my
cursor
is.,
you
can
see
how
the
building
looks
as
well
as
the
other
corners.
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Alex
garrison,
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gensler:,
the
you
know,
another
aspect
to
what
we
you
know,.
What
we
really
focused
on
was
sustainability
and
energy
performance.,
so
the
building,
actually,
it
relates,
from
the
east,
south,,
west,
and
north,.
It
relates
to
the
solar
exposure,
so
that
is
achieved
not
only
with
high
efficiency.
installation.
The
brick
itself
is
also
a
a
very
good
material.
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garrison,
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gensler:
occupies
that
lobby
space
in
between
really
kind
of
2
sides
of
the
building,
so
to
speak.,
and
we've
also
introduced
a
slightly
larger
punches
along
the
the
ends
of
the
building.
To
create
this
differentiation
and
mass
through
a
transfer,
as
opposed
to
a
mass,
break
in
the
middle.
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Alex
garrison,
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gensler:
in
terms
of
pallid.,
we
took
the
approach
that
we
wanted
to
make
this
building
much
more
connected
to
the
business
park
as
it
exists..
So
we
are
using
a
brick,
that's
very
similar
in
tone.
and
introducing
elements
of
of
wood
and
the
softets
of
the
the
balcony.
and
then,
really,,
naturally
kind
of
naturally
based
other
material
choices,
for
instance.
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Alex
garrison,
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gensler:
kind
of
a
a
medium
grade,
granted.
in
a
concrete,
that's
slightly:
it's
not
just
white
concrete.,
it's
it's
more
of
a
beige,
concrete.
and
then
metals
that
have
a
warm
tone
to
them
as
well..
So
do
the
overall
aesthetic
is
not
only
like
the
business
part,,
but
also
much
more
kind
of
natural
in
its
approach.
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Alex
garrison,
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gensler:,
and
so
we
have
some
renderings
here
just
to
show
what
this
looks
like..
So
this
is
from
the
internal
street
of
the
business
park.
you
can
see.
This
is
the
one
side
of
the
lobby.
where
it's
essentially
you're
entering,
and
you
can
kind
of
get
a
sense
of
what
the
solar
shades.
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Alex
garrison,
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gensler:
and
then
on
the
north,
side.,
so
just
sort
of
behind
the
trees
here,.
When
my
cursor
is,
that's
pearl
parkway.,
you
can
see
the
the
connection
that
we've
added
to
the
north..
That
is
obviously
for
the
building..
We've
introduced
the
bike
parking
box.
That's
inside
of
the
building
right
off
of
this.
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Alex
garrison
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gensler:
this
entry.,
so
it's
actually
going
to
be
a
really
nice
sort
of
primary
entry
for
bike
commuters.
come
into
the
building
and
then
on
the
ends
of
the
building..
We
have
also
exterior
bike
parking
that
are
shaded
under
shaded
canopy
structures
that
we
can..
We
can
share
in
the
model
that
we
also
have
available
to
to
look
at
today.
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Alex
garrison,
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gensler:,
so
overall,,
you
can
kind
of
see
how
this
looks
to
the
you
know
the
corners
of
the
building
and
then
kind
of
the
buildings
relationship
to
the
rest
of
the
business
part.,
and
this
chandler
already
mentioned,,
I
mean,
we,
we
lower
the
height,
and
we've
worked
with
with
with
site
review
to,.
You
know.
get
this
building
into
compliance
and
not
pursue
that
additional
floor
that
we
had
originally.
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Alex
garrison,
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gensler:,
we
also,
as
you
can
see,,
have
introduced
a
lot
of
landscaping..
A
lot
of
this
is
a
low
water
prairie,
you
know.
folder,,
appropriate
landscaping,
and
as
well
as
a
lot
more
trees.
and
then
finally,,
as
as
I
already
mentioned,
the
the
connections
to
the
multi
half
here
in
the
north,
where
you
can
enter
the
lobby
from
from
the
north,
and
that
connects
all
the
way
through
to
the
south..
So.
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Alex
garrison,
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gensler:,
one
thing
that
I
did
not
mention
to
speak
to
the
seating
is
that
there
is
a
and
we
don't
have
the
furniture
model..
But
there
is
a
patio
in
here
right
in
here..
That's
about
3,000
square
feet,
give
or
take
with
some
basically
kind
of
stadium,
seating
incorporated..
So
that's
that's
a
seating
zone
that
we
have
on
the
west
side
of
the
building..
So
I'm
gonna
go
back
down
here
to
the
sidewalk.
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Alex
garrison,
|,
gensler:
and
so,
as
your,.
This
is
the
multimodal
path
that
we're
on,,
so
you
can
see
the
building.
Essentially,
is
that
punched
a
stake
with?
I
I
forget
who
said
it,,
but
the
the
first
floor
has
that
kind
of
floating
aspect.
An
interesting
part
of
this
building
is
that
it's
partially
in
the
flood
zone.,
so
part
of
this
is
actually
birming
that
is
required
for
for
flood
mitigation,,
which
we
took
advantage
of
as
as
a
design
feature.
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Alex
garrison,
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gensler:,
so
here
is
the
first
mass
break.,
and
this
is
really
that
northern
entrance
that
I
mentioned.
here
you
can
see
where
essentially
the
building
sets
in
and
the
creates
the
the
that
secondary
entry
from
the
lobby
and
as
well
as
the
bike
box
parking
here..
One
thing
to
to
talk
about
is.
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Alex
garrison,
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gensler:
is
as
far
as
those
wind
roses
and
why
we
included
those
in
the
presentation..
We
actually
thought
carefully
about
when
direction.,
and
so
we
position,
2
balconies
with
kind
of
3
sided
protection,
as
basically
on
the
in
size
of
the
the
building,,
or
rather
the
co.,
that
kind
of
an
apple..
So
we
started
with
canopies
or
or
sorry
balconies
that
were
on
the
edges.
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Alex
garrison,
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gensler:
throughout
the
seasons.,
alex
garrison,
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gensler:,
so
then,,
one
thing
that
we
also
did
with
this
building
to
create
a
little
bit
more
variation..
We
didn't
want
to
go
too
crazy
in
terms
of
creating
too
many
moves..
We
wanted
to
kind
of
keep
it
a
little
bit.
More
simple
is
that
we
have
on
the
right
here
the
mass
and
it's
floating
above
the
glass
on
the
first
floor
and
then
at
the
mass,
break
it
transitions.
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garrison
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gensler:,
so
it's
almost
like
a
threshold
here.
as
far
as
how
we
are
primarily
serving
the
building..
We
integrated
a
loading
dock
here
on
the
right,,
as
well
as
a
garage
for
some
underground
parking
below
the
building..
We
integrated
that
into
this
side
of
the
facade
and
then
also
included
the
generator
and
a
few
other
service.
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Alex
garrison,
|,
gensler:
here,,
you
can
see
the
first
corner
of
the
building
along
the
interior
side,
interior
of
the
of
the
site,
another
aspect
to
this
building
is,.
We
obviously
have
to
deal
with
storm
water,
and
we
have
to
treat
it
so..
We,
we
included
in
the
landscape,
design
a
lot
of
emphasis
on
rain
gardens..
So
this.
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Alex
garrison,
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gensler:,
that's
where
my
cursor
is,
is
a
rain
garden..
The
the
materiality
here
is
not
rendered
quite
right..
These
rain
gardens
would
have
grasses,
and,
and
it
would
be
a
little
bit
taller
and
more
lush
than
what
we're
showing,,
but
you
can
get
a
sense
of
the
scale
of
that.
and
then
the
sidewalks.
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Alex
garrison,
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gensler:,
we've
also
added
to
the
site.
we've
added
sidewalks
that
you
can
basically
walk
all
the
way
across..
If
you
were
out
there
today,,
you
would
notice
that
currently,,
there's
really
only
continuous
sidewalk
on
the
south
side
of
the
street.
and
as
part
of
the
improvements
for
this
building,
we've
we've
connected.
Basically,
the
existing
going
here.
we've
connected
it.
the
sidewalk
on
the
north
side
of
the
street,
over
to
the
other
existing
building.
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Alex
garrison,
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gensler:
here,
on
the
on
this
side,,
you
can
see
on
the
south,
you
can
see
the
primary
entry,
or,
or
rather
the
the
interior
entry.
we've
included
a
drop
off
zone
in
front.,
so
it's
basically
kind
of
a
lay
by
a
curve
cut
here
where
people
basically
would
be
dropped
off
and
they
can
walk
in..
We
really
wanted
to
promote
this
concept.
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Alex
garrison,
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gensler:,
one
thing:
that's
not
part
of
this
project,,
but
it's
part
of
the
improvements
of
pearl
east
is
that
we've
been.
we've
added
a
essentially
an
amenity
building,
as
well
as
a
food
truck
kind
of
plaza..
So
the
intent
is,
you
would
leave
this
building,
walk
down
down
the
side
lock
and
go
over
the
food
trucks
to
promote
this
more
active
community.,
experience.
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Alex
garrison
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gensler:,
so
this
is
the
mass
break
above
the
south
entry..
So
you
can
see
here.
The
mass
break.
has
again
the
kind
of
protected
can
or
protected
balconies.
We
talked
about
on
the
other
side..
You
can
also
see
here
in
terms
of
the
articulation
of
the
mass,.
The
transition
from
the
frame
that
needs
the
ground.
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Alex
garrison,
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gensler:
to
the
frame,
that's
floating.,
alex
garrison,
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gensler:
which,
in
our
opinion,,
really
helps
to
kind
of
reduce
the
appearance
of
mass
on
this
building,
and
it
it
makes
the
building
feel
much
kind
of
lighter.
and
I
think,
steven,.
As
you
pointed
out,
and
I
forgot
to
mention,
we
did
really
focus
on
this
idea
of
expressing
more
of
a
vertical
articulation
in
the
windows
specifically
to
what
you
were
talking
about
in
terms
of
horizontality..
So
we
wanted
this
ability
to
really
have
a
better
kind
of
modulation.
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Alex
garrison
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gensler:,
since
it
is
a
little
bit
longer.
you
know,,
we
were
still
trying
to
meet
the
performers
of
our
of
our
client
to
make
this
building
viable..
So
we
you
know,,
we
have
slightly
larger
floor
plates
than
we
did
to
help
offset
the
loss
of
floor.
The
building
still
is
overall
smaller,,
but
we
we
use
that
articulation
to
help
break
up
the
mass.
I
I
Alex
garrison,
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gensler:
we
on
on
the
left
side
here
the
on
the
south.,
we're
introducing
a
few
site
walls
as
well
as
some,
basically
some
gravel
and
native
grass
kind
of
articulation..
That
is
really
all
about
dealing
with
water
and
kind
of
celebrating
rainwater
retention
and
and
water
quality.
Treatment.
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Alex
garrison,
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gensler:
and
then
let
me
just
see
if
there's
a
little
bit
more
here..
So
then
here
you
can
see
just
sort
of
the
the
final
end
of
the
building.
here,
this,
this,.
These
windows
have
views
of
flat
iron..
So
this
is
on
the
left,
side,
and
then
here's
that
plaza.
I
mentioned
with.,
there's
no
furniture
here,
but
you
can
imagine
we
would
have
tables
and
and
chairs
and
potentially
some
umbrellas.
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yeah,,
we
heard.,
I
thought,.
I
I
do
comment.
steven
was,.
We
heard,
you
know,
explored
as
a
one-third
proportion,,
because
right
now.
yeah,
that
might
do
it.
yeah.
cause
1
one
aspect:
to.,
you
know
what
you're
seeing
in
terms
of
wall
to
window
ratio
is,
we
were,
you
know,,
really
focused
on
the
energy
performance
and
the
break
and
sleep
the
phones
a
lot
better
than
last..
We
were
sort
of
balancing
the
2
forces
of
energy
and
and
vision.
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Eric
glatt:
joined.,
if
I
jump
in
this,
is
eric
with
task
project
management.,
I'm
the
owner's
rep,
and
I've
been
managing
the
construction
out
on
the
campus.
Since
my
customers
purchased
the
property.
and
over
the
last
year
we
have
just
completed
over
a
million
dollars
worth
of
landscape
improvements
across
the
campus.
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glatt:
and
that
amenity
center
has
about
a
1,400
square
foot
outdoor
patio
that
wraps
the
west
facing
portion
of
the
property,,
the
app
right,
there,
alex.
and
then
the
whole
first
floor.
Is
you
know,
areas
where
folks
can
come
and
enjoy
their
launch.
to
the
east
of
that
in
the
parking
lot?
We've
activated.
yeah,
just
a
little
bit
a
little
bit
further
to
the
east,.
There's
some
green
space,
you've
activated
activated,,
that
is
our
food
truck
court.
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glatt:,
just
because
it
not
just
the
innovation
building
itself.
do
I
know?,
and
I
know
alex,
hasn't,
been
involved
in
that
particularly.,
so
I
want
to
make
sure..
I
I
spoke
to
that
through
this.
I
appreciate
you
bringing
that
up
because
I
I
was
not
thinking
of
it,
it
holistically
as
a
campus.,
so
I
I
appreciate
that.
and
that
that
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
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glatt:
and
then,
if
you
guys,,
as
you
guys,
might
know
that
that
campus
has
that
kind
of
main,.
I
want
to
say,
it's
an
8
foot
side,
walk
that
runs
east
to
west
and
kind
of
creates,
a
connection
point
from
the
boulder
trail
on
the
east..
All
the
way
through
the
campus
to
where
the
hotel
and
the
surgical
center
are
on
the
far
west
portion
of
the
campus.
we've
activated
what
we
kind
of
call
the
central
spline
through
there.
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Eric
glatt:
so
that
we
we've
updated
some
signage
and
branding
to
bring
some
color
and
character
to
the
campus
and
kind
of
revitalize
it.,
as
well
as
bringing
in
low,
like
low
water
planting
and
moving
a
lot
of
the
turf
that
had
been
previously
planted
throughout
the
history
of
this
campus.
So
kind
of
creating
a
a
full.
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Eric
glatt:
really
designed
a
really
great
amenity
there
for
the
users,
and
really
activated
that
space.,
I
mean,
they
offer
free
coffee,
free
kambucha,
you
know,,
there's,
there's
other
other
products,
and,,
you
know,
snacks,
to
really
kind
of
bring
a
more
of
a
community
and
really
activate
this,.
This
campus,
what
it
used
to
been?.
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Gina
guarascio:
we.
our
idea,
was,.
We
really
wanted
to
create
a
community..
There
was
not
a
lot
of
amenities
on
site
for
the
tenants,,
and
so
we've
actually
named
it
base
camp.
and
it
actually
acts
as
if
it
is
a
base
camp..
It's
it's
been
so
well
received,
and
we
want
it
to
be
very
hospitality,
oriented
and
almost
like
a
hotel
where
you
want
to
respite
from
your
office.
and
that's
how
people
are
using
it.,
it's
so
fun
to
build
a
space
like
that.
and
really,.
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boxes,
there
represent
with
benches
that
are
built
on
top
of
the
concrete
rotating
wall..
So
we
we
are
in
about
those
areas
of
pockets
where
you
can
said,
have
lunch,
or
even
if
you're,
waiting
for
somebody,.
You
can
come
up
and
just
wait
right
there
on
the
bench..
So
we
do
have
seeding
there
as
well
as
them
that
that
kind
of
main
other
patio
that
we
provide
it
on
the
left.
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gensler:,
so
you
like,,
walk
in
this
way.,
so
you
like,
walk
around
and
you
can
walk
straight
in.
yeah,,
you
can.!
You
can
walk
around
the
number
5.!
That's
a
rain
garden,.
So
you
probably
don't
want
to
walk
right.,
but
you
go
around
it..
But
then
these
guys
here,,
where
my
cursor
is,
those
are
all
directly
accessible
from
the
sidewalk..
It's
just
it's
grass,!
It's
it's
all
kind
of
the
people
that
hang
out.
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garrison,
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gensler:
to
the
extent
possible.,
so
our
landscape,
architect,
norris
design,
did
an
inventory,
and
I
don't
remember
the
exact
number.,
but
it's
it's
fairly
minimal..
We
have
a
few
that
we're
going
to
remove
on
the
on
the
south
end
and
we're
gonna,
obviously
replace
them.
and,
in
fact,,
we're
going
to
add
a
lot
more
trees
along
between
the
2
buildings,
as
well
as
along
the
north.
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Lee
payne,
dtj
design:.
I
will
skim
over
a
lot
of
the
project
information
here.,
it's
sufficient
to
say,.
We
are
exceeding
the
open
space
requirements.,
there's
on
site
resident
amenities,,
the
retail
along
curls.
accommodation,
soft,,
good
retail,
as
well
as
cafe
restaurant
space.
at
least,.
That's
our
initial
target
right,
now.
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Lee
payne,
dtj
design:,
we
are
demarking
the
resident
entrance
with
a
kind
of
filigree
of
open
brick
patterning
right
near
the
resident.
Entrance.
so,,
though
that's
close
to
the
pearl
street
place.
A
a
pearl
street
edge
is
going
to
have
kind
of
a
different
deal
and
flavor.,
and
then
that
design
idea
permeates
the
railings
that
you
see
at
the
third
level.
in
other
parts
of
the
project.
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eckert,
dab:
we
each
get
like
where
it
is
3
or
4
min
and
just
run
through
it,
because
I
have
a
whole
bunch
of
comments.
I
could
just
run
through
right?
yeah,,
I'm
afraid
if
we
break
it
all
out,
it
might
take
more
time.,
but
that's
just
a
suggestion..
I
don't
mind
if
you
want
to
run
through
it
by
individual
rather
than.
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schexnyder,
dab:
kind
of
matthew,
schexnyder,,
dab:,
take.
yeah,,
each
each
matthew,
schexnyder,
dab:
for
science
has
a
very
unique
massing.,
and
so
I
just
want
to
talk
to
the
applicant
a
little
bit
about
what
is
striving.
Some
of
the
ins
and
outs,
the
double
height
brick
space
that
we
see
in
this
view,
for
example.,
anyway.,
boom!,.
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payne,
dtj
design:,
that's
a
that's
a
minimum
code
requirement
for
the
city
of
20,
feet.,
you're
correct,,
saying
that
we
cannot
push
the
parking
closer
door
towards
the
alley
due
to
the
programmatic
elements.
There,,
so
increasing
the
commercial
death
would
likely
come
at
the
sacrifice
of
parking.
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payne,
dtj
design:
yeah,,
if
we
add
square
footage,
that.,
but
maybe
that's
a
variance,
we
could
pursue..
I
think
that's
an
interesting
idea
to
move
the
long
term
bike
parking..
We
would
still
want
that
to
be
secure.,
that'd,
be
a
high
theft
target..
That's
also
likely
we
will
have
this
tab
suggested
charging
for
the
long
term
mic
pardoning..
So
we
really
like
that
being
inside
the
secure
enclosure.,
but.
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ash,
dab:,
you
know
brendan
ash,
dab:.
It's
just
a
lot,
a
lot
of
administration
that
you
that
is,,
that
that
are
the
constraints..
So
if
you
made
it
more
of
a
shotgun
design
where
you're
keeping
the
exact
same
square
footage
or
and
somehow
we're
able
to
take
some
of
the
square
footage
along
pearl
street
and.
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payne,
dtj
design:,
but
I
I
think
this
is
a
good
idea
to
maybe
sort
of
enhance
this
corner
in
ways.
It
certainly
works.
we're
trying
to
emphasize
resident
and
pedestrian
connectivity
to
the
building
in
this
corner..
That's
the
kind
of
intent
of
explain,,
of
having
so
much
space
dedicated
that
for
that
we
want
to.
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payne,
dtj
design:,
that
was
our
design,
decision.
and
and
probably
why
you're,
seeing
a
good
collection
of
that
space?
Is
that
we're
trying
to
celebrate
the
movement
of
people
through
the
building
and
encourage
them
to
use
the
stairs,
instead
of
taking
the
elevator,,
really
celebrate
a
place
for
other
guests
to
come,,
because
you
could
see
with
this
amount
of
social
space,
where
our
hope
is
that
there'll
be
a
lot
of
visitors
here,,
and
this
is
not
simply-
you
just
exiting
your
your
unit
to
go
to
your
car.
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Matthew,
schexnyder,
dab:,
I
don't
know
if
any
of
that
resonates.,
maybe
maybe
you
know,
it's
all
more
complicated
than
I'm
making
it
out,,
but
my
recommendation
of
had
to
sum
it
up
would
be
to
re-examine
the
roof
profiles,
because
I
don't
think
the
shit
roofs
are
helping.
What
is
already
an
aggregate
of
different
modules.
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payne,
dtj
design:
versus
against
something
that's
3
or
4
stories
that
has
a
pair
of.,
but
that's
just
the
design..
We
we
tilted
towards
something
that
had
a
residential
feel
instead
of
something
that
felt
urban
down
at
the
urban
edges..
Obviously
you're,
seeing
the
great
pair
of
it
show
up,
and
that's
where
that
queue
happens
again..
So
we
wanted
it
to
feel
like
the
home.
We
wanted
it
to
feel
like
it
had.
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Lee
payne,
dtj
design:
square
boxes
at
the
top..
I
actually
don't
disagree
with
you
about
trying
to
create
a
little
bit
better
harmony
between
the
buildings.
again,.
It
was
a
design
philosophy.
we're
trying
to
create
the
sensation
that
there's
actually
neighborhoods.
and
each
of
these
are
identifiable
in
their
own
way..
Should
there
be
an
overarching
element
that
ties
them
together?
maybe.
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payne,
dtj
design:
and
really
try
to
focus
on
time.
These
together.,
I
think,
you.,
the
collision
that
you're
mentioning
between
the
roofs
is
a
great
valid
point.,
but
tying
together,.
This
facade
was
a
side
for
some.
Some
color
distinctions
with
the
railings,
and
the
base
of
the
building
was
where
we
felt
like
the
3
met.
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schexnyder,,
dab:
and
then
the
balcony
for
the
unit
on
the
east
corner
is
facing
east..
So
I
I'm
one
thing
that
is
working
here.
That,
I
think
is
different
from
the
front
facade
is
steven
was
talking
about,
is
the
fact
that
the
balcony
here
has
a
break,
and
it
it
gives
you
a
chance
to
see
the.
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Lee
payne,
dtj
design:.
I
I
want
to
go
quickly
back
to
the
reason
that
we're
trying
to
move
along
here..
I
think
the
the
idea
of
connecting
that
little
bit
with
something
that's
more
flat
and
contiguous
with
pearls.
actually,,
really
good
idea..
Our
concern
is
that
it
feels
like
it
makes
sense
from
the
bottom,.
Unless
from
what
the
little
already
see.
and
I
think,
having
that
disjoint.
actually,,
we'll
clean
that
up
and
and
be.
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Lee
payne,
dtj
design:,
that's
erupting
from
the
project;
versus.,
here's
a
gigantic
to
the
to
the
big
thing:
that's
sticking
off
the
building.,
the
bigger
that
gets
the
less
visually
powerful
that
cantilever
is..
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
I
hit
those
2
things:
real
quick.
well,,
I'm
glad..
Thanks
for
explaining
that.
yeah,,
that's
good.
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payne,
dtj
design:,
I
we
are
also
kind
of
envisioning.
The
2.
you
know.
masses
on
on
the
front
in
the
back
is
like
kind
of
the
sisters
like
the
book
ends
of
the
building..
So
I
think
it's
a
really
good
comment
to
point
out
really
the
centerpieces
that
anger
and
I
think
that
has
the
ability
to
be
simplified
and
adjusted,
so
that
the
to
bookend
really
saying
and
show
these
2
strong,
you
know,
subtle,
shed
roofs
that
bookend
this
building.
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Lee
payne,
dtj
design:
the
what
I'm
seeing
and
I
think
is
being
articulated.
well,
actually,,
it's
the
the
with
the
brick
where
the
word
sign
is
is
the
same
with
is
the
railing
up
above,
and
something
needs
to
win.
you're
kind
of
caught
in
between..
So
I
think,
going
from
42
to
to
50
ish
inches
at
those
units
is
actually
a
good
idea,
and
it
will
add
more
presence
to
the
base,
the
building.
yeah,.
That's
exactly.
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Lee
payne,
dtj
design:
yeah.
brendan
ash,
dab:,
I'm
repeating
myself,,
but
I
I
wouldn't
like
that.
the
I
like
the
balcony.
I
like
how
it
maybe
through
detailing
it
could
be
subtly
demised
or
interrupted.,
but
it
just
really
makes
me
think
of
that
trace
birds
project
right
on
my
25,,
which
is
very
urban.
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Lee
payne,
dtj
design:,
you
use
the
past
10
square
there,
that
was
interesting.
yeah,.
I
I
think,
like
just
derivating
the
delineating
where
the
privacy
walls
are
intersecting
by
just
maybe
removing
the
holes
there
and
having
something.
That's
solid
would
be
something
that's
subtle.,
but
it's
also
kind
of
breaking
that
down
versus
just
a
continuous
yeah.
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Lee
payne,
dtj
design:,
we
definitely
picked
up
on
the
blackberry
comment..
I
wouldn't
actually
grab
our..
I
would
call
the
the
we're
trying
to
draw
a
little
bit
as
a
distinction
here
between
more
rusticated
materials,
in
a,
in
a
basic
and
just
a
design
decision..
We
were
trying
to
distinguish
between
those
2.,
so
you
feel
that.
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Lee
payne,
dtj
design:,
then
what
you're
seeing
in
the
model?
I
pick
them
all
for.
trace
them,
for
we're
closer
than
we're
we're
proposing
here..
It
doesn't
mean
that
we
can't
city
an
alternate.,
but
I
I
don't
think
our
modeling
is
doing
justice
to
the
nuances
for
it,.
You
know.
glaze
bricks
with
flash
faces,
have
all
kinds
of
irrigation
in
the
surfaces
already.
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Lee
payne,
dtj
design:,
that
opens
you
could
see
good
good
examples
of
that..
A
lot
of
different
restaurants
of
pearl
street,
like
toona,
or
whatever
it's
called.
now,
next
to
the
kitchen,
is
a
good
example
where
the
doors
telescope,
open,
and
then
there's
a
great
indoor
outdoor,.
So
you
could
spell
out
into
the.
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Matthew,
schexnyder,
dab:,
given
respect
to
the
time..
That's
probably
a
good
matthew,
schexnyder,,
dab:
good
way
to
do
it.
brendan
ash,,
dab:
and
and
it's
a
little
more
thorough
than
trying
to
rush
here
again
and
collect
comments.
one
more
time,
and
I
think
officially..
We
we
like
to
give
our
comments.
you
know,
in
the
form
of
our
meeting
minutes,,
but
our
recommendations
will
will
be.
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Lee
payne,
dtj
design:,
I
guess
if
it
if
I
might,,
if
lee
payne,,
dtj
design:
voice
some
concerns
about
that,.
I
think
we're
all
probably
exhausted
after
such
a
intense
debate
with
really
smart
people,
and
I'm
not
objectionable
to
making
sure
that
it's
clear
what
I,
what
I
think
wouldn't
be
beneficial
is
a
lack
of
direction,
and
that's
probably
going
to
take
a
lot
more
time.
To..
My
concern
is,
is
to
fold
that..
It
takes
a
long
time
for
us
to
get
that
direction.
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Brendan
ash,
dab:
you're
not
going
to
hit
us
with
a
circular
building
here
at
the
end.
okay,
alright.
no..
I
learned
my
lesson.
keep
those
coming.
that
was
a
great
okay.
okay?
well,,
we'll
we'll
go
ahead
and
close
this
part
out
then,
and
let
you
guys
enjoy
the
rest
of
the
evening?.
Thank
you.
thank
you.
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Brendan
ash,
dab:
last
night's
meeting,
and
then
quickly
talk
about
the
phase.
2
of
the
polar
junction
so,,
starting
with
the
I
went
to
a
very
exciting
finding
board
meeting.
I
think.
listen
to
to
almost,
I
think,.
Until
about
100'clock.,
you
guys
were
still
deep
in
conversation
about
it
seemed
contentious.
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Brendan
ash,
dab:
and
those
were
not
the
minutes
that
you
were
not
that
they
pull
off
the
website.
and
then
I
went
into
because
I
really
wanted
to
to
double
check.
Cause..
The
conversation
was
months
ago.
and
I
found
that
the
recording
was
from
it
was
lauren
leading
the
meeting,
and
it
was
from
may
of
some
other
year.
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Kalani
pahoa,
city
of
boulder:-
and
I
we're
looking
to
that
because
that's
troubling
for
me
to
not
to
know
that
our
things
are
not
linking
correctly.
as
far
as
the
the
minutes
right,
now,,
the
way
that
the
the
dab
minutes
are
right.,
they
are
summary
minutes
of
the
recommendations..
They
are
not
a
script
of
the
whole
meeting..
So
it's
hard
to
capture
a
nuance,
conversation
right?
and
that
script
it,,
you
know.,
it's
pretty
labor
intensive
to
do
that.
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Brendan
ash,
dab:,
no,
an
n.
m.
and
an
n.
whatever
it
was,,
it's
a
lot
of
building
fingers.,
but
in
buildings,
2
and
3.
There,
they're,
like
the
fourth
floor,
had
a
step
down
and
and
did
tier
down
into
the
third
floor..
So
it
was
already
precedent
in
their
project,
for
the
problem
with
that,
first
east
elevation
was
that
it
was
just.
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Kalani
pahoa,
city
of
boulder:,
that
is
in
our
brendan
ash,
dab:
per
view,
stephen
eckert,
dab:
question
about
all
this,,
because
it's
interesting.,
I
obviously
wasn't
involved
in
that..
But
I
remember
looking
at
that
packet
because
there
was
one
I
was
looking
at,
you
know,
applying
and
stuff.,
and
I
I
remember
thinking,,
like.
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Brendan
ash,
dab:,
I
mean,,
it
seems
like
my
understanding
from
last
night's
meeting,
is
that
planning
board
recommended
that
they
take
a
look
at
the
massing
because
it
was
and
just
how
it
relates
to
20,
eighth
street,,
the
new
street
that
they're
that
they're
building.
and
then
folsom,,
and
so
that
was
an
issue
that
we
were
asked
to
to
look
at
from
staff,,
I
guess,
and
from
planning
board
and
because
they
it
had
been
recommended
that
they
look
at
that..
But
they
didn't
change.
It.
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Kalani
pahoa,
city
of
boulder:,
but
I
I
would
say,
because
I
know
that
the
things
that
you're
talking
about,
brendan
in
the
recommendations.
during
the
discussion
with
the
applicant
on
adjusting
the
footprint
right?
there
wasn't
a
consolidated
recommendation
from
the
board,.
There
was
different
thoughts
on
why,
they,.
You
know.
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O
O
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Kalani
pahoa,
city
of
boulder:,
if
it's,
if
it's
kind
of
wish
you
wash
your.,
it's
one
person
is
wanting
that
because
you're
an
advisory
board.,
it's
one
of
those
things
that
the
applicant
is
really
looking
at
other
pressures.,
right?
they're,
trying
to
all
these
other
things
going:
on.
and
they're
really,
gonna.
O
Kalani
pahoa,
city
of
boulder:
and
then
all
the
mechanical
like
like
we
were
talking
before.
if
it
forces
all
the
mechanical
out
to
the
front,
and
we
have
opaque
glass
instead
of
transparency.
there,.
Those
are
the
things
we're
not
going
to
see.
Now,
right?
we're
going
to
see
those
later.
As
the
ti
comes
in.
O
O
Kalani
pahoa,
city
of
boulder:
other
things
on
site.,
but
that's
kalani,
pahoa,
city
of
boulder:,
that's
not
dab's
priority.!
That's
priority
is
the
good
design,
you
know,
and
those
types
of
things
so,,
and
to
see
a
successful,,
vibrant,
retail
space,.
Whatever
that
retail
chooses
to
be,
and
also
attractive.,
I
just
think
you
know
I
do.
a
ton
of
port,,
a
shell
space,
and
it's
hard
to
find
tenants
right.
Now..
I
mean
retail
office
residential,
all
of
it.
people,
are.
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Brendan
ash,
dab:,
you
know,,
there's
a
lot
of
wooing,
that's
happening,
and
a
lot
of
spaces
are
left
empty.
and
it
just
isn't
that
we
see
like
in
vibrant,
spaces,
and
like
when
they
talked
about
the
zoning
being
a
20
foot,.
You
know,
they've
got
to
have
that
20.,
that's
minimum.,
that's
the
minimum!
That
is
not
like.
You
have
to
have
exactly
20
feet.,
so.
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Stephen
eckert,
dab:,
but
quite
frankly,,
that
should
be
a
priority,
because
it
would
save
everybody
time..
It
would
make
better
projects.
people
will
pay
for
it
all
day.
Long..
I
mean,
we
architects
and
developers..
It's
not
about
the
money,,
believe
it
or
not.
it's
about
the
time.,
so
lots
of
it,
lots
of
times
and
stuff
just
takes
so
long,
because
you
have
to
go
so
far
down
the
road.
Before
you
get
any
comments
back
in
the
then
in
the
situation
like,
you
know.
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Brendan
ash,
dab:
are
bigger
than
what
the
phase
of
the
project
is
that?
and
a
lot
of
architects
are
like,.
Yeah,
thanks
for
your,
we're
just
gonna
keep
going
with
what
we're
doing.,
because,
but
I
think
you're
right,
steven.,
but
like,.
If
you
kept,,
if
you
catch.,
if
you're
early
enough
in
the
design
process,,
then
you're
still
doing
some
pushing
and
pulling,
and
that
our
recommendations
might
be.
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Brendan
ash,
dab:
was
was
a
good
meeting..
It
wasn't,
it
wasn't
particularly
long,,
but
I
think
it
was
pretty
productive,
and
the
the
presentation
that
we
were
given
was,
very
thorough
and
fairly
long
in
terms
of
slides
and
information
that
was
gathered
and
presented..
I
I
thought
it
was
really
well
done.
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Brendan
ash,
dab:,
a
lot
of
the
conversation
was
about
lessons
learned
on
phase
one,.
What
was
successful
and
what
was
not
successful.
and
we
talked
a
lot
about.
and
I
brought
it
up
tonight
in
the
dad
meeting.,
but
we
talked
a
lot
about
how
there's
so
much
retail
space
back
here..
That
is
just
empty
storefront..
So
let's
not
do
that.
Again.!
Let's
try
and
make
the
spaces.
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Brendan
ash,
dab:
changing
the
circulation
of
this
road
so
that
we
don't
have
an
island
here..
You
know
what
what
faces
on
the
train
tracks
and
how
it
interacts
with
this
transit
zone,,
but
also
that
you
do
have
trains
running
by
all
the
time..
I
mean
high,,
like
the
getting
down
into
the
nitty-gritty
of.
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Matthew
schexnyder,
dab:
yeah,,
I
mean,
I,.
This
is
probably
too
low..
This
last
thing
I
have
to
say,
and
probably
2
small,
a
minute
level
of
detail.
but
like,.
I
often
think
of.
the
bowler
brewery
that
is
out
of
business..
Now,
in
that
little
circle,,
you
know.
that's
kind
of
the
centerpiece
of
that
upper
part.
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Brendan
ash,
dab:
of
an
introductory.
and
just
let's
get
this
off
the
ground
and
going
then
it
was
like
I.
now.
I
expect
you
to
have
a
work
session
with
your
boards.,
but
they
weren't
even
sure.
If
you
we
were
going
to
be
meeting
with
our
boards
before
the
next
meeting,,
but
it
really
made
it
sound
like,
and
I
can.
I
should..
Probably
I
can
send
you
all
the
meeting.
summary.
F
Brendan
ash,
dab:,
but
yeah,
it
was..
There
was
nothing
in
there
necessarily..
Why?
Don't
you
send
it
to
me,?
Because
if
you
send
it,
it'll
be
a
meeting
on
an
email,
and
I'll,
send
it
out
to
everybody.
okay,,
that's
good
to
know.,
you
know,
like
meetings..
If
it's
an
informational
meeting
versus
they
want
to
come
back
and
have
a
working
session.,
that
kind
of
is.