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Devin
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alright,
yeah.
again..
My
name
is
devin
saunders
board
specialist
here
for
the
design
advisory
board..
There
is
one
item
for
public
discussion,
tonight.
and
so
I'll
be
going
over
the
rules
of
decorum
for
this
public
meeting..
The
city
has
engaged
with
the
community
members
to
co-create
a
vision
for
productive,,
meaningful,
and
inclusive
civic
conversations.
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Devin
saunders,
cob:.
Otherwise
there
are
a
few
shortcuts
listed
right
here..
If
you're
calling
in
on
your
phone,,
I
did
see
that
we
have
one
in
person
coming
in
from
the
phone..
So
during
public
comment,,
if
you
like
to
speak,,
you
can
click
star
9,
and
that
will
promptly
raise
your
hand..
Also,
there
is
the
option.
why.
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eronimous,
sar+,,
he
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him:,
the
stuff
comes
kevin,
eronimous,
sar+,,
he
/
him:.
This
is
an
earlier
massing
model..
It's
kevin
eronimous,
sar+,.
He
/
him:
sitting
over
there
in
our
office..
We
wish
we
could
be
there
in
person
for
you
to
look
at
it..
It's
it's
still
quite
relevant
in
terms
of
illustrating
the
scheme.
In
that
we
we
do.
Have
these.
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Devin
saunders,
cob:
absolutely
happy
to.,
so
this
part
of
the
meeting
is
going
to
be
the
public
comment
section..
If
there
are
any
people
on
this
any
attendees
on
this
call
who
would
like
to
participate
in
the
public?,
go
ahead
and
raise
your
hand
with
the
raise
hand
function.
that
will.
Let
me
know
that
you
are
wanting
to
speak.
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Kalyn
crosier
(wenk
associates):,
there's
kalyn
crosier
(wenk
associates):.
I
think
the
architectural
sections
are
more
representative
of
the
great
difference
between
buildings.,
but
don't
necessarily
represent
the
exact
landscape
pathways
and
walls
and
things..
So
the
plans
and
the
model
are
a
little
bit
closer
to
that..
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Rory
bilocerkowycz,
dab:
this
floodpline
elevation.
and
if
you're
below,,
which
becomes
very
expensive
and
very
complicated.,
I
think
you
know,
there's
conveyance
zones,
here.
you've
got
debris
management
like
any
glass
that
comes
below
has
to
be
rated
4
foot
tall
impact
zones..
I
mean,
it's
a
nightmare.
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Todd
bryan,
dab:,
I
think
that's
a
good.
todd,
bryan,
dab:,
a
good
summary
of
the
of
what
we're
trying
to
do..
So
I
I
have
a
kind
of
a
a
similar
question.,
but
when
amy,,
when
you
were
walking
us
around
the
north
side,
and
you
said,
or
the
east
side,,
and
then
you
came
around
to
the
north.,
the
entrance
is
right..
There.
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Rory
bilocerkowycz,
dab:
public
program
on
the
street
facing
level
of
2
of
these
3
buildings.,
the
eastern
building
is,
is
a
gimme..
It
sits
further
back,,
so
it's
able
to
be
landscape
with
more
layers,
and
it's
entirely
programmed
as
public
amenity,
space
or
resident
many
space..
So
I
think
that
you
know
it's
kind
of
out
of
the
equation,
so
that,
as
we
look
at.
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Rory
bilocerkowycz,
dab:,
contender
of
movement.,
rory,
bilocerkowycz,,
dab:
or
2
does.,
and
I
think,
matt,.
This
is
what
you
are
getting
at..
Can
these
landscape
entries
be
kind
of
further
designed
with,?
You
know,,
you
know,
overhead
element,
signage
element,,
monumental
elements
that
actually
acknowledge
kind
of.
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Kevin
eronimous,
sar+,
he
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him:.
So
that's
one
of
the
things
that
makes
you
know..
That's
why
this
is
an
area
where
the
crowd
floor
is
so
much
higher
over,
so
to
the
north
of
our
project
is
also
a
conveyance
zone..
It's
not
just
to
the
south,
where
the
creek
goes.,
so
you
know
they
fled
it,
that
we
anticipate
that
this.
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Brendan
ash,
dab:
way,,
finding
or
highlighting
element,
you
know,
coming
into
this
project
as
a
whole,
and
then
when
you're,
just
looking
at
the
north
elevation,,
I'm
concerned
that
it's
while
we
like
rhythm.
and
I,.
You
know
the
punched
openings
are
nice,
and
there's
like
a
good
amount
of
glazing,,
and
I,
like
the.
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Rory
bilocerkowycz,
dab:
ground
to
parapet
with
the
same
materials..
Do
we
want
to?,
I
mean,
we
don't
want..
I
don't
want
to
necessarily
tell
you
how
to
how
to
design
your
building,,
but
you
know,,
just
bringing
in
some
more
urbanism
of
creating
kind
of
the
pedestrian
scale
ground
floor
plan?.
Is
it
3,
over?
one??
Is
it.
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Rory
bilocerkowycz,
dab:,
which
may
help
obscure
some
of
this
plan
that
we're
talking
about.
and
then
I
think,
just
to
further
that
again..
If
those
elements
could
jump
off
the
building
and
somehow
populate
like
a
an
architectural
language
that
defines
portals
into
these
courtyards,
that
you
may
be
able
to
sell
that.
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Kalyn
crosier
(wenk
associates):
kind
of
back
to
what
kevin
was
saying
this.
This
area
is
like
highly
dictated
by
the
flood
plane.,
so
any
change
that
we
make
in
this
area
ever
so
slight,
has
a
ripple
effect
across
the
site,,
because
this
flood
plane
is
so
complicated.
and
so
it's
very
sensitive
to
any
sort
of
grade,
change
or
adjustment..
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Kalyn
crosier
(wenk
associates):,
so
we
can
certainly
look
at
if
that's
a
possibility
in
the
model..
But
we
have
to
work
with
our
civil
engineer
and
our
flood
plane
engineer
to
determine
if
that's
even
feasible,,
without
causing
a
rise
or
some
other
ripple
effect
due
to
the
split
flows
that
kevin
mentioned
earlier..
So.
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Kalyn
crosier
(wenk
associates):.
I
agree
that
it's
desirable.
If
it's
not
feasible.,
I
think
we're
going
to
try
and
use
landscape
material.
plant
material
to
our
benefit.
for
screening
purposes,,
which
I
would
say
is
probably
what
you're
not
seeing
here
right,
like
you're,
just
seeing
a
ground
plane
massing
and
not
seeing
that
vertical
element
which
we
will
have.
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Kalyn
crosier
(wenk
associates):.
So
I
think
if
we
were
to
add
that
element
to
it,,
it
would
definitely
help
soften.
and
on
the
north
side
there
we
do
have
a
a
decent
amount
of
distance
for
buffer
to
actually
put
in
some
plate.
Material
that'll
get
a
bit
taller
there
and
help
screen
kind
of
that
that
ground.
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eronimous,
sar+,
he
/
him:
yeah,
that
I
think
we
can
point
out
a
clarification
about
that..
There
is
accessible
entrance
there..
I
think
it
was
incorrectly
identified
in
the
staff
report.
so
when
we
get
over
to
there,
between
buildings,
2
and
3
towards
the
north.
The
entrance
through
that,
like
room,
that's
one
of
the
areas
where
grade
comes
up.
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Rory
bilocerkowycz,
dab:,
it
is
accessible
just
a
little
more
secure
to
us,
because,
comment
be..
Maybe
it's
already
been.
no,.
I
think
I
think
we're
addressing
it
so
that
that
isn't
the
point
at
this
point..
I
don't
know,
caroline,.
If
you
want
to
shake
your
head.
and
also
you
yeah,
as
far
as
that's
an
accessible
entry.
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Kalyn
crosier
(wenk
associates):,
but
from
a
grading
standpoint
it
just
wasn't
possible.,
so
we
sort
of
talked
as
a
team.
do..
We
locate
the
accessible
parking
on
the
northwest,
corner,
and
kind
of
have
someone
directed
around
the
north
side
of
the
building
or
on
the
south
west
corner
and
go
around
the
south
side
of
the
building,
sort
of
following
the
boulder
creek
path.
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bilocerkowycz,
dab:
convenient
rory,
bilocerkowycz,
dab:,
or
it's
about
rory
bilocerkowycz,,
dab:
figuring
out.,
and
I
you
know,
when
when
you
say
that
it's
in
feasible,
I
mean,,
we
have
to
remember
that
you
know
a
lot
of
times.
We
we
create
the
and
visabilities
right,
because
we
were
designing
these
projects.
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Rory
bilocerkowycz,
dab:.
I
realize
this
one..
This
particular
side
looks
awfully
tight
to
parking,
and
it's
providing
kind
of
a
minimum
5
foot
sidewalk..
So
I
realize
there's
kind
of
unit
counts,
and
you
know,
courtyard
with
and
separations,,
and
I
know,
there's
a
lot
of
thought
that
goes
into
this
stuff.
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Rory
bilocerkowycz,
dab:
ramp,
rory
bilocerkowycz,
dab:
from
the
north
rory
bilocerkowycz,
dab:,
with
a
combination
of
any
grade
that
you
may
be
able
to
manipulate..
I
realize
there's
kind
of
2,
conveyance
zones,,
but
you're
always
draining
away
from
the
buildings
and
grading
towards
your
building
should
be
a
major
issue.
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Rory
bilocerkowycz,
dab:
and
so
there's
a
number
of
ways
you
can
move..
You
know
the
accessible
spaces
further
down
the
line
to
where
the
building
better
meets,
grade
and
kind
of
horse
trade
of
the
bike
and
maintenance
facility..
I
think
this
north
facade
is
an
opportunity
to
study
which
may
address.
comment
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Kalyn
crosier
(wenk
associates):,
so
it's
kalyn,
crosier
(wenk
associates):
a
little
bit
challenging
on
that
edges.,
but
I
think
the
the
north
definitely
allows
us
more
room..
The
nice
thing
about
the
courtyard
is,.
We
have
the
the
length
of
the
building,
and
these
fingers
to
make
up
that
grade..
So
that's
what
allows
us
to
either
sort
of
do
like
a
really
elegant,
ramp
or
smooth
walkway,,
whereas
it's.
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Rory
bilocerkowycz,
dab:
the
way
that
you
talked
about
kind
of
the
umbrella
effect
across
the
building,,
the
stepping
down
to
the
the
public
path
and
creek
side.,
the
articulation
of
kind
of
the
metal
bar,
you
know,
on
the
north
versus
kind
of
these.
You
know
more
residentially
sized
units
that
are
broken
by
kind
of
the
entry
points
of
wood,
and
then
different
bricks..
That
is
all
incredibly
sound.
Logic.
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Kalyn
crosier
(wenk
associates):,
I
think
kalyn
crosier
(wenk
associates):
the
other
thing
to
with
sort
of
subdividing
that
and
creating
tears
is,.
You
may
get
a
little
more
height
of
landscape,,
but
you
get
sort
of
less
with.,
so
some
of
the
the
bigger
plants
that
usually
get
bigger
or
sorry,
wider
and
taller.
you
kind
of
end
up
with.
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mccann,
sar+:
right?
almost..
I
almost
added
this
when
we
were
talking
more
about
the
materiality
of
the
middle
panel,,
but
we
do
have
a
3
over
one
for
building
3
and
a
building
2.,
it's
the
opposite.
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one
over,
or
I
guess
this.
This
facade
we're
looking
at
is
one
over
3,
where
you
we're
having
the
more
narrow.
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Rory
bilocerkowycz,
dab:
yeah,.
That's
a
great
point
back
to
you..
I
think
rory
bilocerkowycz,
dab:,
this
particular
board
composition
on
deb
is
not
fond
of
trying
to
turn
big
buildings
into
small
cute
buildings.,
no
little.,
it's
a
small
world,
after
all.
so
make
sure
that's
temporary
tempering
this
entire
discussion.
yeah,.
It's
subtle.
yeah,.
It's
a
very
important.
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Amy
mccann,
sar+:
you're
very
busy
in
the
background..
I
didn't
see
your
hand
there.
oh,
okay,
yeah,
thank
you.,
rory.
yeah..
I
just
wanted
to
follow
up
on
brendan's
comment
about
the
height
at
building
one..
I
know
part
of
our.
when
we
were
looking
at
massing
strategies,.
We
have
the
setbacks
at
buildings,
2
and
3,.
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Cob,
kalani
pahoa:
hopefully..
There
is
a
way
to
brendan
ash,
dab:
to
that.,
but
we
do
want
to
try
to
make
those
improvements..
I
mean,
right
now,
you
that
road.,
it
looks
like
you're
just
you.
you're
not
allowed
to
turn
it
off.
it
says,
do
not
enter.
you're
not
supposed
to
come
down
right..
It
looks
like
I'm
not
parking
lot,,
so
I
think.
what?
now
for
our
making
it
a
road.
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Kevin
eronimous,
sar+,
he
/
him:,
it's
on
one
face
or
the
other
through
there..
We
did
it.
doesn't
need
to
circle
bill
link.,
so
you
know,.
Locating
those
things
down
to
the
south,
isn't
an
option
in
terms
of
service
ability,,
and
it's
not
something
you
want
on
the
south,
side.
you're
you're
you're,
struggling
with
the
very
thing
we
did,,
which
is,
they're
all
primary
facades.
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Kevin
eronimous,
sar+,
he
/
him:,
so
I
I
just
kevin
eronimous,
sar+,.
He
/
him:,
put
in
a
request
to
be
cautious
about
how
we
we
understand
the
attempt
that
we
need
to
approve
that
northwest
corner..
But
if
we
get
into
recommending
relocating
transformers,
I
think
the
flood
engineer
is
probably
gonna
jump
off
of
a
convenient
bridge.
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Rory
bilocerkowycz,
dab:,
but
there
is
there's
quite
a
there's,
quite
a
buffer
between
28
street
and
the
parking
lot.
I
mean
that
5
feet
all
right.,
sorry
from
the
building.,
so
they're
saying
from
the
parking
lot
for
residential
units,
they're
saying
from
the
inside
of
ground
floor
residential
units.
B
B
D
D
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D
D
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C
C
C
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Rory
bilocerkowycz,
dab:,
I
think
that's
okay,
though,,
because
I
think
rory
bilocerkowycz,
dab:
what
we're
not.
I
mean,
without
us,
designing
the
building
ourselves.
we're
never
going
to
be
able
to
say,
like,
you
know,
use
a
8
by
4,
break
pattern
and
space.
the
windows
accordingly..
You
know
it's
basically.
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B
B
B
B
B
Rory
bilocerkowycz,
dab:,
please
see
these
revised
facades.
we've
moved
transformers,
3
foot
off
of
all
corners.
we've
had
screening
elements,.
We
we
swam
the
garage
with
the
maintenance
barn.
we
added
a
fucking
entry,
there,
etc.,,
and
then
they
can
go
cool
and
then
they
go
to
point
2..
So
we're
we're
basically
just
trying
to
create
a
cliff
notes.
Road,
and
it's
not
detail,
right?
yes,
yes,.
It's
not
detailed.
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D
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J
J
J
B
B
B
J
J
J
J
J
A
A
A
B
B
Rory
bilocerkowycz,
dab:.
I
was
kind
of
pulling
those
meetings.,
it's
just
like
another
commitment
in
my
schedule,,
but
I
have
never
been
as
prepared
to
review
one
of
our
projects
as
I
was
today.
like..
I
understood
this
building
because
we
spent
an
hour
yesterday
talking
about
this
building,
and
actually
like.,
and
I
know
there's
some
weird
like.
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B
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A
I
Devin
saunders,
cob:
in
a
bit?,
you
know
I
don't
really
have
much
of
an
architectural
background,,
but
I
was
able
to
kind
of
like
you..
You
folks
did
really
break
it
down
a
little
bit
to
where
I
was
able
to
put
it
in
a
I
think,,
as
as
rory
mentioned,
like
in
a
more
layman's
terms
as
reflected
in
the
notes.
so
yeah,.
I
definitely
think
it
was..
It
was
communicated.
well,
in
that
in
that
aspect.
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B
B
B
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J
J
Cob,
kalani
pahoa:
and
it
maybe
it's
just
a
project
manager
and
your
architect,
or
you
know,
they're
critical
people,,
but
it
makes
sense.
yeah,
it's
helpful
to
have
them
there,.
So
they
can
hear
things
like.
Don't
treat
that
like
a
landscape
because
it
wasn't
discussed
during
the
time
they
were
there,
and
now
it's
surprise
them..
They
might
look
at
that
and
go.