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Cob-Jay
sugnet:,
you
have
for.
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Fiona
schlachter:
get
back
to
you
jay
offline.
Thank
you.
I
didn't
realize
that
there
were
other
seats.
I
knew
there
was
one
open,
and
you
know
congratulations
jen
on
being
appointed,,
but
if
there's
another
possibility,,
maybe
I
can
explore
that.
But
I'll
go
stepping
out
of
the
agenda
thanks,
everybody.
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Cob-Jay
sugnet:,
I
would
say
in
general,
all
housing
so
so
think
about
the
market
in
terms
of
fluctuating
over
time.
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Cob-Jay
sugnet:,
you
know,
when
we
first
started
the
program
for
inclusion,
airy,
housing
and
affordable
housing
program
back
in
the
1990s.
Pretty
much
everything
that
was
getting
built
was
ownership,.
It
was
all
condos,
it
was
all
single
family
and
there
were
even
memo.
I
found
some
memos
that
council..
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Cob-Jay
sugnet:
and
then
the
other
challenge,-
and
you
know
a
lot
of
this-
I'm
talking
about
our
again
permanently
affordable
deed
restricted,,
but
the
tools
that
we
use
to
get
those
permanently
affordable.
Units,,
the
low
income
housing
tax
credits,.
Those
are
only
available
to
low
and
moderate
income.
Households.
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Hab-Danny
teodoru:
that
I
was
going
to
throw
out
that
I've
seen
work
really
pretty
effectively,,
especially
when
you're
doing
buy
downs,,
which
is
the
other
thing
that
you're
essentially
talking
about
right,.
You
know
when
you,
when
you
buy
it,
you're
restricted,
and
then
you
sell
it
for
a
lower
price.
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Hab-Michael
leccese:
for
example,
doing
expand
the
housing
stock
and
yeah
I
mean
we,
it's
very
difficult
to
fight
capitalism
and
control
investment
trends,,
but
there
are
certain
things
we
control
primarily
regulatory
and,
in
some
cases,
land,.
Maybe
we
can
have
more
that
discussion
today
or
next
month.
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Hab-Jacques
juilland:
one
developer,,
who
wants
to
do
something:
that's
you
know,,
affordable
and
another
developer,
who's,
doing
a
for
profit
kind
of
thing,
we're
kind
of
shifting
the
costs
between
those
two
revenue
streams
whose
it's
coming
from,
because
we
got
to
pay
for
our
utilities,.
The
end
of
the
day.
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Hab-Jacques
juilland:
okay,
and.
hab-danny
teodoru:,
just
to
clarify
when
I
was
talking
about
the
utility,
so
we're
not
really
pertaining
fees
as
much
as
you
know,
pistes
inclusion,
fees,
etc,
and
I
guess
my
point
would
be
not
just
providing
the
benefit
of
a
reduction
for
certain
types
of
housing,
but..
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Hab-Danny
teodoru:,
you
know,
high
end
developments,.
You
know
this.
Is
it's
a
lot
easier
to
do
that
than
to
regulate
what
they
do,
or
how
they
use
their
units?
A
lot
easier
to
say.
I
set
my
rates,
based
on
my
policies
and
that's
the
only
point
that
I
was
you
had
one
per
week
away
from
that
perspective.
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Hab-Jacques
juilland:,
you
know,
for
you
particularly
so
that
is
because
my
concern
was
like:
can
you
do
that,
legally,?
Can
you
say
for
this
group,?
This
is
the
rate
for
that
group.
That's,
the
rate
is
there,.
There
are
avenues
to
do
that,
where
you
don't
get
yourself
in
trouble.
Somehow
I
don't
know.
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Hab-Danny
teodoru:
as
the
more
the
more
policies
you
effectuate
then,,
then
the
prices
of
the
homes
go
up
even
more,,
and
then
you
know
and
it's
like
okay
well,.
Now
we
need
to
generate
more,,
but
the
bottom
line
is,
you
know.
We
talked
about
boulder,
we're
talking
about
aspen.
We
talked
about
breckenridge.
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Hab-Jacques
juilland:,
and
so
I
guess
just
the
thing
that
I'm
getting
at
is
all
of
these
things,.
I
think
you
know
the
concept
is
okay,
we're
not
going
to
wipe
the
market
off
the
table.
We
can't
compete
head
to
head
with
it
either,,
but
regulatory.
We
can
decrease
the
opening
and
tighten
the
opening.
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Hab-Danny
teodoru:,
you
know
the
problem
is
for
every
giant
trophy
home
that
gets
built
that
doesn't
carry
you
know,,
and
then
you
can
articulate
the
the
carbon
footprint,
the
all
the
other
different
impacts,,
the
impacts
to
housing
directly
right
from
every
giant
home.
That's
built
every
second
home
and
spill.
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Ex-Officio
lupita
d,
montoya:
well.,
ex-officio,
lupita
d,
montoya:.
Thank
you,
julia.
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Ex-Officio
lupita
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montoya:
activity
together
I
can
bring
that
up
next
week,
we
have
the
next
meeting
next
week.
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Hab-Michael
leccese:
with.,
hab-danny
teodoru:,
is
that
I
think
several
the
working
groups
you
we
had
several
working
groups
come
out
of
that
joint
meeting
that
join
me,.
It
was
the
first
meeting
we
had
post
lockdown,,
and
so
it
was
it
was.
It
was
a
little.
I
was
the
first
zoom
meeting
that
we
ever
had.
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Hab-Jacques
juilland:
manage
their
property
and
stay
in
it,.
Instead
of
making
the
choice
to
leap
older
and
add
to
our
income,
you,
so
that's
the
one
side
of
it,,
the
other
side,,
and
this
is
kind
of
something
that
we
heard
out
of
our
listening
session.
A
little
bit
is
there
are
people
who
own
these
units
already.
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Hab-Jennifer
livovich:,
let's
say
I'm
a
home.
I
own
a
home.
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Hab-Jennifer
livovich:
a,.
This
is
another
way
I
mean
if
this
would
be
something
helpful
to
people
in
that
situation.
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Hab-Jacques
juilland:
that
are
are
fairly
robust
for
these.
We
may
talk
about
adding
a
few.
You
know
conditions
for
skirting
of
the
units.
There
question
marks
about
some
regulatory
structures
for
at
us
that
maybe
we
don't
feel
are
necessary,
and
I
personally
don't
feel
are
necessary
for
mobile
units.
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Hab-Jacques
juilland:,
I
don't
think
so,
because
the
the
regulatory
structure
for
those
things,
and
the
potential
climatic
hazards
that
we
have
here
for
just
from
a
health
and
safety
perspective,.
I
think
that
you
know,,
and
we
have
to
be
careful
when
we
talk
about
foundations.
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Hab-Danny
teodoru:
alan
right,
it
was
it
was
that
was
very,
very
compelling,
test,
one
that
he
gave
us
some
other
people,,
but
some
of
the
other
testimony
there.
We
had
two.
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Hab-Danny
teodoru:
key
thrust
of
the
testimony
that
we
had
the
listen
session
that
to
me
it
was
completely
a
learning
experience,,
because
I
had
no
idea
until
that
day
that
mobile
was.
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Hab-Jacques
juilland:,
it's
the
land,
that's
not
a
depreciating
asset
and
so
you're
right.
There's
a
separation
here,
because,
generally,,
you
know
you're
taking
a
depreciating
asset
and
you're,
sending
it
on
an
appreciating
asset,
which
is
the
land,
and
so,,
and
I
think
this
was
also
one
of
terry's
concerns.
He
thought.
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Hab-Juliette
boone:,
if
you,
if,
if
we're
selling,
to
people,
the
idea
that
they
can
own
a
mobile
edu
and
therefore
it's
a
real
and
appreciating
real
estate
asset,
like
other
kinds
of
appreciating
real
estate
asset,
when
it's
in
fact
it's
not,
are
we
selling
them
something?
That's
not
what
they
think
it
is.
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Hab-Jacques
juilland:
okay,
this,
so
this
graph
you
can
see
the
blue
line
is
a
traditional,
fixed
foundation,
non
manufactured,.
So
to
speak,
and
the
orange
line
is
the
manufacturer,.
You
can
see
that.
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Hab-Jacques
juilland:,
I
made
some
assumptions
on
the
distance
from
the
house
of
40
feet.
So
waterline
might
cost
you
1200
bucks
to
get
in
the
electric
could
be
anywhere
from
1000
to
2000,
depending
on
what
has
to
happen
on
the
panel
inside
your
house
right.
So
that's
kind
of
a
pretty
broad
range
there.
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Hab-Jacques
juilland:
you
know,
and
how
much
income
would
I
generate
out
of
that
which
is
the
tune
of
something
like
15
k.
I
think
I'm,,
although
I
did
get
really
fancy
about
how
I
was
compounding
etc,
etc,,
so
you
know
from
the
roi
perspective
and
what
it
can
rent
for.
I
think
that,
again,
an
$802,000.
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Hab-Jacques
juilland:,
you
have
further
questions
on
that
one.,
hab-jacques
juilland:.
Does
that
answer?
That
kind
of
I
mean
it's
there's
so
many
points
here
that
we
get
it's
not
just
winter.
Ization
is
what
I'm
getting
at.
It's
really
heating
systems,
it's
appliance
systems.
It's
eat
grass,
there's
all
kinds
of
pieces
that
we
were
looking
at.
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Hab-Jacques
juilland:,
it's
great.
The
next
question
was
that
how
many
locks
in
boulder-
and
you
know,
as
jay
said
we're
probably
somewhere
between
seven
to
10,000
lots.
We
could
put
them.
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Hab-Jacques
juilland:
can
I
put
an
ad
you
in,,
and
then
I
give
them
a
sense
of
what
the
cost
is
going
to
be
and
the
timeframe
is
going
to
be
also,
and
a
lot
of
people
are
just
you
know,
they're
just
like.
I
know
that
I
just
can't
do
that.
It's
not
even
that
they
wouldn't
do
it
from
a
numbers
perspective,.
I
think.
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Hab-Jacques
juilland:
and
I
guess
jay-
I
want
to
speak
with
you,
what
a
juliet's
concerns.
Also
just
like
we
haven't
done
this,,
where
we're
kind
of
you
know
how
much
is
it
up
to
staff
to
craft
this
ordinance
or
we
like,
what's
that
alec
group,
that
basically
writes
all
the
the
legislation
on
the
national
level.
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Hab-Michael
leccese:
as
item
number
seven.,
cob-jay,
sugnet:
yep.
So
just
one
thing
I
kind
of
alluded
to
this
earlier,,
the
east
boulder
subcommittee
plan.
There's
a
draft
out
and
staff
would
like
to
come
back
to
have
at
the
november
meeting,
share
their
findings
and
what
they've
heard
from
the
community.