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A
There's
housing,
Advisory,
Board,
April,
24
2019
well,
do
roll
call,
but
we
have
a
couple
new
people
to
introduce
to
our
team
and
when
we
all
started
with
the
housing
advisory
board,
we
all
kind
of
did
a
little
brief
introduction
to
so.
I'll
have
Juliette
and
Terry
if
you'd
want
to
just
say
a
brief
hello
and
if
there's
anything
you'd
like
the
public
to
kind
of
know
about
you
in
your
introduction
and
then
we'll
go
around
with
the
rest
of
the
roll
call.
B
Okay,
hello,
I'm,
Juliette,
Boone
I'm
new
to
have
lived
in
Boulder
for
20
years.
I've
lived
in
a
variety
of
housing
in
Boulder,
including
in
cohousing.
Three
different
neighborhoods
I
have
children
who
attend
Boulder,
Public,
Schools
and
two
at
CU.
So
I'm
excited
to
be
part
of
this
and
give
back
to
the
community.
C
Low
Terry,
Puhl
MOS
and,
let's
see
I'm
a
native
of
Boulder
I,
was
born
and
raised
here.
I've
lived
here
all
my
life,
except
for
going
away
to
school
in
grad
school
I'm
a
real
estate
guy,
so
my
experience
in
housing
is
landlord.
Housing,
I,
rent
housing,
I've,
remodeled,
housing,
I've
sold
housing
I've
done
just
about
everything
you
can
do
with
respect
to
housing
in
Boulder
and
I
still
do
so.
I
want
to
thank
thank
everybody
for
for
being
here.
G
H
A
I
I'm
Dave
ensign,
I'm
from
the
Planning,
Board
and
Brian
Bowan,
couldn't
be
here
tonight,
so
I'll
just
be
sitting
in
the
audience,
he's
the
backup
for
crystal
as
the
ex-officio.
So
if
you
have
any
questions,
I
actually
missed
the
last
line.
Balsam
sub-community
planning
update
that
went
to
planning
board.
So
this
will
be
really
useful
for
me
to
get
an
update
tonight.
So
thanks
for
letting
me
attend,
thank.
E
All
right
so
again,
I'm
Jean
Gaston,
with
comprehensive
planning
and
I've.
Seen
many
of
you
before
I
think
on
a
previous
update,
maybe
even
a
year
ago,
when
we
first
we're
kicking
off
the
area
planning
process
for
Alpine
boss
and
at
the
time
I
think
we
were
taking.
You
spook
end
along
with
it,
but
we've
since
narrowed
the
scope
and
have
been
working
on
Alpine
balsam
for
a
while.
E
So
my
thoughts
that
I've
been
talking
this
over
with
Jeff
and
understanding
agenda
I
was
we
don't
have
any
new,
necessarily
new
information
for
the
board
or
questions
per
se
at
the
moment.
But
given
that
you've
got
new
members
and
we've
been
down
a
path
since
the
last
time
we
met
I
thought
that
I
would
talk
a
little
bit
about
our
process
and
schedule
or
sort
of
uncertain
process
and
schedule
at
the
moment
and
where
we
might
have
win
and
win
and
where
we
might
have
some
certainty
on
that.
E
A
little
bit
about
area
planning
our
direction
from
the
compound
just
to
ground
ground
you
guys
and
why
we
do
these
plans,
what
we're
talking
about
doing
for
at
Alpine
balsam
and
then,
when
we
come
back
with
choices
for
those
what
this
boards
role
will
be.
If
that
makes
sense.
Okay,
so
we
were
anticipating
bringing
draft
plan,
components
and
choices
and
all
of
the
analysis
to
our
planning
board
to
City,
Council
and
late
May
and
early
June,
and
we
are
still
working
on
that
that
we
might
be
doing
that.
E
E
The
council
has
a
special
meeting
on
May
16th
to
talk
about
those
items
and
that
may
shift
where
we're
going
with
the
area
plan,
so
I'm,
hoping
that
we'll
know
a
little
bit
more
about
dates
and
process
next
week,
whether
that's
going
to
be
June
or
whether
that
might
be
later
in
the
summer
and
then
we'll
know
a
little
bit
more
after
the
after
the
special
meeting
on
the
16th.
So
as
soon
as
we
know
more,
we
will
have
information.
E
The
Alpine
balsam
project
website
I'm,
going
to
pass
around
these
cards
that
are
specific
to
that,
and
it's
really
easy
to
find
on
the
city's
Web
website.
If
you
just
enter
balsam
so
with
that,
I
gave
you
some
handouts,
because
we
always
go
back
to
our
Boulder
Valley
comprehensive
plan
that
was
updated
in
2000.
It
was
we
started
the
update
in
2015
and
we
finished
it
in
2017.
So
we've
got
a
couple
of
excerpts.
Actually
I've
got
lots
of
props
tonight,
so
I
can
pass
these
around
to
if
folks
want
to
browse
through
them.
E
There
is
a
boulder
valley,
comp
plan
net
and
it's
available
on
the
city
website
too.
Of
our
plan,
what
I've
provided
is
both
the
sub
community
and
area
planning
section,
as
well
as
the
housing
policies.
Jeff
knows
well,
because
you
helped
with
the
update
so
with
sub
community
and
area
planning.
What
we
do,
the
Conklin
provides
direction
that
when
there's
a
significant
change
or
an
area
of
opportunity
in
the
community,
it's
good
to
do
an
area
plan
so
that
we
reevaluate
the
land,
uses
the
character,
the
urban
design,
the
access
and
mobility.
E
All
the
transportation
connections,
improvements
so
that
we
can
plan
ahead
and
know
what
those
uses
are
going
to
be.
How
that
affects
our
projections,
how
we
can
best
implement
boulder
valley,
comprehensive
plan
policies
in
that
area
and
serve
it
I
mean
we
assess
all
of
the
facilities
and
services
transportation
being
a
big
one
utilities
being
a
big
one,
police
fire.
We
talked
to
the
school
district,
all
those
things
when
we're
looking
at
potential
changes
in
any
part
of
the
community.
So
you
can
take
a
look
at
that
where
this,
what
this
direction
is?
E
You
can
look
through
all
the
rest
of
this,
but
that's
our
direction
from
the
comp
plan.
There's
a
little
section
on
area
planning
and
that's
why
we
do
these
these
plans
and
I
just
gave
you
the
housing
policies
so
that
you
can
have
these
handy
always
for
your
discussions
and
your
future
work.
So
with
that.
So
what
is
this
area
planning?
But
you
know:
how
does
this
manifest
one
of
the
one
of
the
more
recent
bigger
ones
that
we
did?
Is
the
transit
Village
area
plan?
E
E
I'll
be
Boston
will
look
different,
but
the
plan
will
look
different,
but
it'll
have
most
of
the
same
components:
land
use,
urban
character,
urban
design
and
character,
access
and
mobility
connections
planning
and
then
facilities
and
services,
and-
and
then
we
adopted
also
an
implementation
plan
that
with
it
and
went
with
it
that
then
we
reevaluate
very
frequently
that
step
steps
out.
All
of
you
know
we
got
to
change
the
zoning
and
here's
how
we're
gonna
do
it
and
we've
got
it.
E
E
E
Okay,
so
Alpine
balsam
so
and
I
I'm
sure
this
is
harder
to
see,
but
I
know.
Many
of
you
have
seen
this
map
before.
Well,
we
have
you
know
the
the
impetus
for.
Thank
you,
Jeff.
E
You
need
to
look
at
the
areas
all
around
that
to
ensure
that
we
are
looking
at
all
potential
impacts,
looking
at
all
potential
opportunities
and
and
to
really
assess
what
this
area's
vision
is
for
the
future
and
put
the
right
mechanisms
in
place
to
achieve
that.
With
that,
we
this
one
is
a
little
different,
because
the
city
is
appraised,
the
property
owner
of
a
significant
redevelopment
of
site,
we
in
2000
so
I
right
after
the
sale
of
the
property
2015
the
city
embarked
on
the
vision
plan
process.
So
that
was
really
at
the.
E
What
are
all
the
big
ideas?
How
do
we
take
all
the
ideas
and
put
them
into
one
plan
to
help
guide
the
next
steps
for
this?
This
work
in
May
of
last
year
we
started
the
area
planning
process
and
that
process
is
to
take
what's
on
the
vision
plan
and
actually
do
some
more
feasibility
testing
and
get
more
get
more
real
about
what
that
vision,
plan
contained
and
try
to
really
understand
what
does
it
mean
for
different
site
designs
and
site
opportunities?
E
We
developed
a
number
of
scenarios
that
had
around
a
number
of
key
questions:
around
uses,
density
and
building,
Heights
flood
foot,
flood
mitigation
and
access
and
mobility
that
we
talked
with
the
community
about
last
fall.
We
got
direction
from
our
Planning
Board
in
our
council.
We
did
some
more
revisions
to
those
and
check
back
in
with
our
Planning
Board
and
Council
in
February,
and
also
we
did
a
series
of
small
group,
small
group
community
workshops
to
really
focus
in
about
the
wider
area
and
to
ask
questions
about
land
uses
and
opportunities
and
thoughts.
E
We
did
we
had
a
lot
of
good
questions
about
access
and
mobility
transportation
at
those
workshops
as
well,
and
we
learned
a
lot
fabulous
conversations
with
the
community
members.
We
do
have
an
existing
conditions
report
that
we
shared
at
those
sorry
Jeffrey.
Can
you
move
around
at
those
meetings?
This
is
I
will
say
this
is
draft
or
still
it's,
it's
all
the
right
information
we're
just
making
some
revisions
to
make
it
a
little
more
readable
and
summarize
some
things
in
a
better
way.
So
we've
taken
a
lot
of
that
feedback.
E
There's
this
board,
as
well
as
the
transportation
Advisory
Board,
the
Parks
and
Recreation
Advisory
Board,
and
the
design
Advisory
Board
will
be
asked
to
provide
recommendation
to
Council,
Planning,
Board
and
Council
and
who
are
the
adopters
of
the
plan
and
you
know,
and
then
the
staff
will
be
taking
all
of
that
all
of
those
recommendations
and
developing
a
draft
plan.
So
that's
our
process
and
your
role
coming
up.
A
Remind
everybody
that
at
the
last
meeting,
we've
voted
for
a
very
formal
motion
towards
stronger
Robert's
Rules.
So
if
anybody
during
the
meeting
wants
to
bring
up
any
questions
waiting
into
the
chair,
recognizes
you
and
and
again
following
more
formal
Robert's
Rules.
So
if
anybody
does
have
any
questions
as
of
right
now,
Judi
so.
D
D
Obviously,
the
site
that
was
purchased,
as
is
public,
but
what's
the
current
zoning
around
it
and
how
many
units
per
acre,
because
that'll
help
me
conceptualize
if
it's
provide,
if
it's
approaching
that
sweet
spot
of
not
changing
neighborhood
character,
but
also
providing
as
much
affordable
housing
as
possible.
So
so
Jean
showed
me
where
I
could
find
these
things
and
I
couldn't
find
them
on
Helen.
D
They
were
just
hard
to
find
so
I
printed
out
what
the
zoning
looks
like
on
the
map
and
want
to
pass
it
out
and
I
also
printed
out
what
the
units
per
acre
are
per
each
of
those
zoning
things
in
the
area
and
and
that
really
helped
me
understand.
I
also
asked
Jean
what
she
thought.
Approximately
was
the
amount
of
acreage
that
would
be
devoted
towards
housing,
and
you
said
around
five
ish
is
that
is
that
right?
Would
you
say
yep.
E
The
the
city
on
the
site,
it's
the
full
site-
is
about
8.8
acres,
and
that
includes
the
brenton
building
and
the
parking
garage
and
if
we
just
are
thinking
about-
and
our
direction
had
been,
that
we
would
be
moving
forward
to
at
least
continue
exploring
I'm
renovating
the
medical
pavilion
for
the
new
city
service
center
hub.
So
some
of
that
would
be
city
services
and
not
and
not
housing.
D
But
if
it,
if
there
was
permanently
affordable
housing,
there
could
be
10
more
units
per
acre.
So
there
could
be
10
units
that
were
not
permanently
affordable,
but
10
units
deemed
permanently
affordable
and
that
in
the
neighborhood
around
3303
Broadway,
which
is
the
neighborhood
I
live
in
made.
The
neighbors
feel
fine
that
that
the
character
had
maintained
the
character
of
the
neighborhood.
It
would
increase
the
density
considerably,
but
not
outrageously,
and
something
like
that.
D
If
you
look
at
the
map,
you
see
that
most
of
the
area
around
this
site,
our
single-family
homes,
although
there
are
some
other
things
right
around
it.
So
to
me.
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
out
as
a
possibility
for
us
to
consider.
At
some
point,
because
to
me
that
seems
a
really
good
way
of
maintaining
neighborhood
character
and
and
providing
affordable
housing
and
in
us,
in
a
in
a
large
survey
that
the
city
did
a
couple
years
ago.
D
The
top
two
most
important
things
to
people
residents
in
the
city
of
Boulder
were
more
affordability
on
housing
and
also
maintaining
neighborhood
character.
So
those
are
both
real
important
issues
in
the
city,
so
I
just
wanted
to
send
someone
to
come
out
and
tell
you
I'm
sure.
You
know
how
I
feel
understated
at
a
meeting
that
I'm
for
something
like
that.
D
That
would
be
that
ten
units,
plus
ten
more
for
permanently
affordable
I
think
would
be
a
nice
way
to
go
of
mixed
types
so
that
there
could
be
singles
one
bedroom,
two
bedroom
and
three
bedroom.
So
you
could
get
other
groups
of
people
that
we
that
we
say
you
know
recognize
need
for
housing
in
Boulder
and
and
also
have
some
accessibility
to
some
of
the
units.
So
people
with
disabilities
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
state
where
my
interest
was
and
where
I
was
about
that.
Thank
you.
K
J
E
Well,
okay
and
I'll
answer
this
and
then
actually
I
think
Jeff
and
I
suggest
and
then
I
want
to
circle
back
about
how
Judy
or
maybe
your
recommendations
fit
into
the
area
planning
process.
Our
council
will
be
taking
the
taking
up
those
questions,
not
something
I
can
answer
at
this
point.
There
are
a
range
of
different
costs
for
purchase,
interest
potential
for
the
hospital,
deconstruction
and
other
infrastructure
that
we
have
different
levels
of
potential.
For
you
know
there
was
there's.
E
It
was
always
the
intention
to
sell
part
of
the
site
for
other
future
uses
housing
being
one
of
them,
as
the
city
is
not
a
housing
developer,
so
at
different
at
different
places
of
readiness,
there
are
different
ways
to
there
will
affect
the
land
costs
and
the
land
prices,
so
not
something
that
I
can
speak
to
at
this
point,
but
I
would
suggest
the
folks
tune
into
the
may
16
special
meeting
to
learn
more
about
those.
Thank
you,
mm-hmm
and
I'm
Jeff,
good,
good
point,
Judy.
E
So
I
I
think
that
this
your
suggestions
make
sense
and,
as
we
move
forward,
we'll
be
looking
at
the
potential
land
uses
for
both
options
for
land
uses
on
the
site,
as
well
as
taking
a
look
at
the
land
uses
in
the
area.
There
are
a
number
of
different
housing
land
uses
in
different
areas
within
the
area
plan.
F
In
gene
you'll
have
to
correct
me
if
I
speak
out
of
turn
here,
it's
entirely
possible
that
there
would
be
an
Alpine
balsam
area
plan
completed.
Even
if
the
city
were
to
sell
the
property
it
has
been
suggested,
so
they
are
linked
but
not
dependent
on
each
other.
I
think
we
would
probably
not
do
any
project
on
the
site
without
an
area
plan
that
a
fair
summary
I
think.
E
So
because
the
currently
the
land
use
on
the
site
and
the
zoning
is
public,
it's
for
a
public
institutional
use
and
it's
very
limited
within
our
regulations
as
to
what
can
happen
underneath
that
and
with
it
with
that.
So
you
know
we
want
the
best
possible
outcome
for
the
redevelopment
of
this
site
that
serves
community
values
and
we're
going
to
have
to
address
land
use
and
zoning
and
character,
and
all
of
the
other
things
that
we
typically
do
in
an
area
plan
before
whatever
future
is.
L
K
F
You
had
a
introduction
to
sub
Community
Planning
project
and
I
believe
it's
scheduled
to
come
back
in
June
or
the
next
step
on
that.
But,
as
each
plan
moves
forward
to
the
extent
that
I
think
all
of
our
sub
communities
have
a
housing
component,
there
will
likely
be
housing
issues.
You'll
be
asked
to
weigh
in
on.
E
A
A
So
I'm
curious
with
our
board
one
of
the
reasons
why
we're
in
this
format
is
to
potentially
have
future
issues
brought
up
and
structured
this
way,
so
that
we
could
have
a
more
informal
discussion
around
larger
projects
as
a
way
to
facilitate
more
a
less
adversarial
and
more
conversational,
as
we
move
through
again
a
big
project
such
as
Alpine
balsam.
So
a
part
of
me
is
just
kind
of
curious
if
we
want
to
talk
about
process.
A
H
So
I,
really
like
especially
if
we
do
have
public
participation,
the
ability
for
them
to
sit
down
with
us
I
think
that
just
physical
barriers
really
reduced
compared
to
you
I
think
several
of
us
have
testified
at
Council
before
and
it's
an
intimidating
process
having
to
be
up
there.
So
I
like
this,
this
current
format
and,
like
you
said
I,
think
this
is
just
a
really
good
way
to
sort
of
get
the
feel
of
it
and
personally
from
the
from
just
sitting
down
here,
I've
liked
the
feel
of
it
so
far.
B
G
Would
say
that
for
kind
of
general
process
to
the
board,
if
it's
not
public
engagement,
heavy,
it
seems
a
little
bit
more
cumbersome
in
some
ways,
but
I
totally
agree.
Also,
like
you
know,
if
we're
if
someone
from
the
public
is
coming
down,
and
it's
just
really
nice
to
be
able
to
bring
them
into
the
circle.
A
Yeah,
originally,
we
were
hoping
that
Alpine
Boston
was
gonna.
We
were
just
gonna,
be
launching
this
whole
thing
and
we
were
gonna,
really
have
in-depth,
robust
conversations
and
really
invite
the
public
to
participate,
and
then
it
kind
of
all
felt
council
meeting
or
two
ago,
and
but
that
was
the
hope
was
that
how
do
we
soften
the
edges?
A
little
bit?
B
H
B
A
So
I
think
Adam
can
probably
speak
more
too
about
this
format,
but
we're
brand-new
to
trying
something
like
this
and
the
engagement
committee
I.
Think
weren't,
you
guys
the
original
ones
that
brought
forth.
Let's
try
and
do
a
different
format
and
and
structure.
So
maybe
you
want
to
speak
to
it
a
little
bit
more
sure.
H
So
the
basis
is
still
the
public
participation
rules
that
we
have
with
pooling
and
everything
pulling
of
time.
So
you
would,
in
most
cases,
still
only
be
given
three
minutes,
but
we're
kind
of
willing
to
ask
a
lot
more
questions
than
would
normally
happen
at
say
a
council
meeting
or
let
people
go
over
a
little
bit
if
they're
trying
to
you
know,
present
a
really
really
big
thing.
So
it's
just
a
little
looser
than
your
average
council
meeting.
A
J
I'm
I
works
either
way.
The
only
thought
is
the
two
tables
here.
If
I
put
myself
in
the
role
of
the
public,
would
be
a
little
more
engaging
to
not
have
a
table
between
us
and
the
audience
for
those
two
tables
I'd
like
the
formality
of
up
there,
I
myself,
I'd
I,
never
felt
uncomfortable
going
up
in
front
of
Council
and
that
but
I
respect
the
fact
that
some
people
may
find
that
intimidating.
B
With
respect
to
the
rules
I
would
my
concern
would
be:
how
do
we
create
an
environment?
That's
fair
for
everyone,
if
we're
bending
the
rules
for
some
people
and
then
deciding
if
things
get
out
of
hand,
that
enough
is
enough
and
we
have
to
go
back,
I
think
I
think
to
be
fair
to
all
the
other
boards
and
commissions.
My
recommendation
would
be
to
stick
with
the
rules
as
they
are
and
not
bend
them
for
additional
public
time.
B
A
Depends
I
think
on
the
topic
there's
times
where
we've
definitely
had
more
people
show
up,
but
I.
Think
part
of
the
engagement
committee
was
making
sure
that
we'd
like
to
see
this
audience
packed
we'd
like
to
be
able
to
see
that
everybody's
coming
in
and
talking
about
housing
and
that
we
become
a
space
where
people
want
to
show
up
here
and
engage
as
a
part
of
the
process.
I've
headed
to
the
council,
but.
D
And
to
further
develop
that
a
little
bit
when
we've
had
special
topics,
we've
had
as
many
as
40
I
think
and
then
of
course
answer
your
question
with
each
person
just
getting
three
minutes
each.
That's
already
a
lot
of
time,
so
the
meetings
last
longer
in
those
days
and
we've
only
had
that
happen
like
at
our
meeting
about
80
use.
There
were
a
lot
of
people
there
and
they
all
got
to
talk.
D
I
will
say
that
the
interactive
nature,
when
we
ask
lots
of
questions
and
let
people
maybe
talk
a
little
bit
longer
I
think
has
really
done
well
for
us.
It's.
It
seems
that
we've
gotten
some
really
nice
notes
from
people
who
say
this.
Is
you
know
this
is
the
one
place
where
they
feel
they
can
be
heard
and
I
think
that's
something
we
want.
We
take
seriously
as
that
engagement
aspect,.
F
I
may
suggest
that
you
could
establish
a
set
of
rules
for
a
particular
discussion
that
apply
equally
to
everyone.
So
if
you
and
you
would
want
to
let
the
public
know
that.
But
if
you
wanted
to
give
people
more
time,
you
would
probably
want
to
give
everybody
the
same
opportunity.
So
you
could
say
for
this
topic
on
our
public
hearing:
we're
allowing
public
five
minutes
per
person
and.
F
A
So
that
brings
up
a
good
point
that
maybe
around
as
we
develop
our
processes
period,
maybe
what
we
do
around
listening
sessions
or
this
being
a
roundtable
that
we
set
up.
What
does
a
roundtable
process?
Look
like
the
tables
are
set
up
this
way
engagement?
Is
this
this
amount
of
time
for
each
person
a
listening
session?
Is
this,
and
it
looks
like
that,
so
maybe
that's
something
to
put
on
the
whoever
continues
with
engagement,
something
to
consider
for
a
process.
A
D
Also
want
to
mention
you
probably
already
notice
that
I'm
sorry,
if
I'm
saying
something
you
already
know,
but
there's
the
open
comment
section
at
the
beginning
and
that's
not
what
we're
talking
about
now.
I,
don't
think
we're
talking
about
if
there's
a
public
hearing
where
we
actually
make
a
recommendation
or
the
listening
sessions
that
we're
starting
that
we've
never
done
before.
So
that's,
that's
the
one
we're
a
little
more
vague
on
Chuck
yeah.
G
G
So
that
seems
to
me
that
essentially
I
mean
it
seems
like
it
serves
the
purpose
as
it
works.
Currently,
if
you
pool
time
it's,
if
a
number
of
people
come
in,
they
want
a
pool
time
because
they
need
more
for
a
significant
presentations.
I
I
mean
I,
don't
know
I'm
not
seeing
what
we're
trying
to
define
otherwise
yeah.
A
And
I
was
thinking
about
that,
while
you're
talking
about
that
to
be
clear,
we're
talking
about
something
different
than
public
participation
that
occurs
in
the
beginning
of
the
meetings,
we're
talking
about
what
we've
on
the
last
couple
of
meetings
and
what
we've
talked
about
with
the
engagement
committee
is:
if
they
have
these
educational
seminars,
which
is
in
our
packets,
the
things
we've
been
talking
about
for
last
two
months
that
these
would
look
differently
so
the
the
listening
session.
That's
why
we
pulled
ourselves
down
here.
How
do
we
soften
the
edges?
A
What
is
it,
and
so
that
process
is
slightly
different
than
the
public
participation,
which
is
the
more
formal
piece
of
it
that
that
structure
and
our
meetings
will
always
remain
the
same?
This
is
just
for
these
different
pieces.
Does
that
make
sense?
These
are
different
sessions
kind
of
like
when
the
City
Council
does
a
study
session.
It's
a
different
type
of
meeting
versus
their
formal
council
meeting.
G
I
suppose
I'm
still
trying
to
understand
why
the
time
structures
couldn't
still
apply.
You
know,
maybe
we
shift
the
the
physical
structure
of
the
meeting
and
but
that
those
time
because
I
do
also
have
concerns.
As
Julia
said
that
you
know
how
do
we
keep
a
balanced
condition
and
a
set
of
rules
that
everybody
understands
coming
in.
A
D
Think
I
think
one
way
that
would
help
that.
Thank
you.
One
way
that
would
help
that
really
work
is
sure
we
can
keep
it
to
three
minutes,
but
by
asking
lots
of
questions
the
person
then
has
the
right
to
to
speak
some
more.
So
we
can
just
be
more
interactive
about
asking
questions
I'm,
just
wanting
a
more
interactive
exchange.
This
was
nice
talking
about
Adam.
K
F
Just
say
I
think,
what's
important
is
that
you
have
agreement
amongst
yourselves.
However,
you
want
to
do
that
I'm,
how
run
in
a
particular
situation
and
that
everyone
is
treated
given
the
same
opportunity,
so
whether
that
is
this
will
be
completely
open.
Whoever
shows
up,
we
can
go.
You
know
back
and
forth
as
much
as
we
want
at
any
point
in
the
meeting.
F
If
you
guys
agree
to
that,
and
everyone
has
the
same
chance,
fine,
if
you
wanted
to
stick
to
I,
think
you
would
probably
because
you're
required
to
have
public
participative
the
public
the
opportunity,
if
you
start
cutting
back
on
the
standard
you
want
to
do
so
rarely,
and
only
for
really
good
reasons,
but
expanding
it
is
within
your
purview.
I
would
say
so.
J
G
Mean
I
think
kind
of
along
those
same
lines.
I
feel
like
for
these
specific
engagement
pieces
that
we're
talking
about
coming
into
this
type
of
a
format
that
we
would
just
stick
with
the
time.
My
suggestion
would
be.
We
just
stick
with
the
time
rules
as
they
are.
We
modify
the
physical
format,
maintain
the
time
format
and,
let's
see
how
that
plays
out,
and
if
we
find
a
problem
with
that,
then
we
could
come
back
to
it
and
adjust
it.
H
So
yeah,
that's
absolutely
I
think
what
we're
going
for
I
just
want
everyone
to
really
get
into
the
conversation
a
little
bit
when
we're
having
people
come
to
us,
especially
when
they're
telling
us
stories
that
impact
their
personal
lives.
Like
that's
it's
much
more
about
the
emotion
to
me,
then,
maybe
about
the
specific
rules.
It's
it's!
How
we
approach
it
as
the
board
and
how
receptive
we
are
to
hearing
people
come
out
and
tell
us
their
personal
stories.
So
that's
that's
sort
of
what
the
core
of
this
is
all
about.
Much
less!
H
F
Just
remembering
the
element
of
the
conversation
that
you've
had
before
that
I
think
you
should
decide
about
which
is
as
I
remember
it
you
had
wanted
after
typically,
if
even
with
the
questions
and
answers
once
someone's
once
the
initial
back-and-forth
is
done,
the
person
returns
to
the
audience,
and
that's
that
I.
Remember
someone
saying
expressing
a
desire
to
have
the
ability
20-30
minutes
later
to
go
back
to
that
person
and
say
well
what
about
this?
What
do
you
think
about
that?
H
So
that
might
be
sort
of
2.0
version
just
because
I
don't
think
we
have
a
solid
process
for
that
in
place
for
the
next
meeting
and
I
wouldn't
want
to
get
into
that
right
now.
But
that's
the
aspiration
that
we
could
do
that
at
some
point.
It's
just
the
fairness
of
that
is
really
really
sort
of
a
we'd
have
to
mull
over.
A
M
So
why
are
we
doing
this
survey
existing
or
the
veteran
advisory
board?
Members
remembers?
The
city
has
heard
quite
a
few
concerns
from
owners
of
our
affordable
homes
that
HOA
dues
in
particular
and
fees
are
causing
their
homes
become
less
affordable
over
time.
So
what
we
wanted
to
do
is
to
conduct
a
survey.
M
Actually
we
did
and
David's
going
to
talk
about
both
of
them
to
see
how
extensive
is
that
issue
and
try
to
understand
it
a
little
bit
better
before
we
tried
to
figure
out
what
some
potential
solutions
are,
so
this
is
sort
of
a
sneak
preview.
I
would
say,
for
you
guys,
David
sent
me
an
email
last
night
after
midnight,
so
this
is
all
sort
of
hot
off.
The
presses
staff
hasn't
really
had
time
to
digest
it.
M
So
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
just
give
you
a
glimpse
of
what
to
expect
in
terms
of
more
detailed
analysis,
and
we
also
didn't
part
of
the
reason
was
we
wanted
to
keep
it
open
for
as
many
people
to
participate
as
possible.
So
we
actually
got
our
last
survey
Sattar
and
then
there
may
be
some
additional
analysis
that
will
be
required
to
do
a
deeper
dive.
We'll
have
to
see
about
that,
but
any
thoughts,
impressions
feedback
that
you
might
have
would
be
greatly
appreciated,
as
we
try
to
figure
out
some
next
steps.
M
L
Okay,
well,
as
Jay
said,
my
name
is
de
Becker,
with
our
RC
associates
here
and
Boulder
were
a
market
research
firm
that
has
a
kind
of
a
specialization
in
affordable
housing.
We
do
a
lot
of
work
regarding
affordable
housing,
particularly
in
mountain
resort
communities
in
Colorado,
as
well
as
working
with
the
city
on
selected
projects.
So
there
were
two
surveys
that
were
done.
L
Essentially,
we
had
both
mail
lists
and
an
email
list
for
all
the
homeowners,
the
727,
affordable
homeowners
in
the
city,
so
he
first
mailed
out
a
survey
and
that
happened
in
early
March
and
then
we
followed
up
with
two
email
follow-ups
with
a
sample
of
that
group.
We
had
emails
for
about
I,
believe
it's
six
hundred
and
seventy
two
or
so
homeowners.
L
So
between
having
those
two
different
means
of
outreach,
we
were
able
to
get
a
very
significant
response.
The
response
rate
was
about
fifty
two
point:
eight
percent
or
three
three
hundred
eighty-four
of
727
homeowners,
exceptionally
strong.
It
probably
speaks
mostly
to
respondents
interest
in
the
subject,
and
you
know
having
a
lot
of
opinions
that
they
wanted
to
share
confidence
plus
or
minus
nine
percentage
points
so
important
just
to
keep
in
mind
kind
of
the
general
patterns
and
results.
Rather
than
necessarily
the
exact,
precise
point
numbers.
L
So
I'm
going
kind
of
quickly
here,
but
just
quickly
run
through
some
of
the
housing
and
demographic
characteristics
of
respondents.
The
kind
of
have
this
kind
of
format
where
the
first
column
shows
the
results
and
then
the
next
three
columns
results
by
respondents
overall
satisfaction
unit
and
ten
percent
of
respondents
were
dissatisfied
or
neutral.
L
With
regards
to
their
unit
satisfaction,
thirty
four
percent
were
somewhat
satisfied
and
majority
of
57
percent
were
very
satisfied
and
for
some
of
the
variables
you
can
see
that
there's
going
to
be
big
differences
between
these
groups,
but
focusing
primarily
on
the
overall.
In
this
discussion,
you
can
see
the
unit
type
mix
where
57%
are
in
condos
22%
in
townhouses,
20%
and
single-family
homes.
B
L
If
we
compare
that
to
the
last
column,
its
23%
are
those
who
are
very
satisfied
when
you
live
in
single-family
homes.
Essentially,
what
this
means
is
people
who
are
living
in
single-family
homes,
Bayside
were
you,
then,
for
instance,
condos
where
it's
the
opposite
pattern,
where
you've
got
I'm
having
trouble
reading
the
numbers
here
so
I'll.
Just
look
at
my
copy
yet
I
mean.
A
L
That's
a
great
point,
so
each
column
sums
200%.
So
if
you
think
of,
if
you
sort
of
divide
up
the
world
into
these
three
buckets
of
satisfaction,
that
first
bucket
is
people
who
are
you
know
what
simply
dissatisfied
with
their
home
and
their
ten
percent
of
the
entire
population?
Who
responded
that
next
group
is
people
are
so
much
satisfied.
There
are
thirty
four
percent
of
the
total
and
that
calm
again
sums
to
hundred
percent
so
and
then
the
finally
fifty
seven
percent
in
that
very
satisfied
bucket.
So.
L
So
this
is
just
I
think
when
we
look
at
some
other
graphs
first
way
of
looking
at
this
would
be
what's
the
satisfaction
of
people
who
live
in
condos,
it's
not
the
data.
It's
not
formatted.
That
way.
We
have
run
that
and
I
can
get
you
those
numbers,
but
I
primarily
look
at
this
in
terms
of
trying
to
understand
what
are
the
characteristics
of
people
who
are
satisfied
versus
dissatisfied
right.
B
And
I
think
it's
it's
super
interesting
that
that
you
just
said
the
people
in
single-family
homes
are
more
likely
to
be
satisfied
with
their
housing
situation.
Then
people
in
in
condos
correct,
okay,
and
you
have
more
specific
data
around
that
sure.
Actually,
let
me
just
look
at
there.
Okay
I'll
be
patient
and
wait
until
care
to
get
to
that
yeah.
No.
L
L
B
L
L
Okay,
so
yep
with
regards
to
units
I.
As
you
can
see
the
mix
of
most
folks
in
having
one
two
three
bedrooms
with
a
majority
in
two
bedrooms
and
then
with
regards
to
bathrooms,
most
in
units
of
with
one
to
two
bathrooms
79%
in
units
with
one
to
two
baths:
ninety-three
percent
in
units
with
one
to
three
bedrooms:
okay,
so.
M
If
I
could
add
just
if
we
want
to
get
through
all
this
and
a
reasonable
amount
of
time,
we're
gonna
have
to
move
a
lot
quicker,
there's
a
lot
of
information,
and
maybe
it
might
be
helpful
to
get
through
it
and
then
go
back
and
identify
areas
where
you
might
think
that
we
should
do
a
little
more
digging
and
my
computer's
gonna
restart
in
27
minutes.
So.
L
L
And
also
looking
at
the
composition
of
people
in
the
household
you
can
see
at
the
top,
the
number
of
people
in
the
household
we've
got
42%
of
respondents
in
a
single
person,
household
58
percent
having
two
or
more
people,
so
kind
of
a
skewed
towards
relatively
small
households.
Overall,
with
regards
to
employment,
there
were
I
believe
it's
about.
87
percent
of
households
have
workers
in
the
household.
L
So
first
we've
got:
how
long
have
you
lived
in
their
current
residence
and
again
a
pretty
broad
distribution,
mostly
between
one
and
twenty
years,
ninety
percent
of
people
in
those
three
categories?
How
long
have
you
lived
in
the
Boulder
Valley,
typically
somewhat
longer
than
they
lived
in
their
unit.
L
Let's
see
here
seventy-three
percent
having
lived
for
ten
or
more
years,
and
then
how
much
longer
do
you
plan
to
live
in
the
boulder
value
at
the
bottom
and
most
folks
plan
to
be
here
for
quite
a
while
seventy-nine
percent
planning
to
be
here
for
ten
or
more
years
so
kind
of
a
long-term
commitment
to
the
community
for
most
folks
so
housing
satisfaction.
This
first
graph
looks
at
that
satisfaction
with
the
unit
and
again
fifty-seven
percent
very
satisfied.
L
Thirty,
four
percent.
It's
so
much
satisfied,
so
you
know
on
its
face
that
suggests
that
the
program
is
by
and
large
meeting
a
key
objective
insofar
as
most
residents
are,
you
know,
exhibit
satisfaction
when
we
on
the
next
slide,
when
we
look
at
satisfaction
with
particular
attributes
of
the
unit,
there's
a
variety
of
different
locational
aspects
as
well
as
size
layout.
L
There's
a
high-end
aspects
included
in
this
list
here-
and
you
know
you
can
probably
probably
I
need
to
go
through
over
in
detail
here,
but
generally
vocational
aspects
have
rise
to
the
top
bike
paths
and
trail
access.
75%,
very
satisfied
with
that
74%
very
satisfied
with
the
location
of
the
home.
65%
very
satisfied
with
proximity
to
open
space
at
the
bottom
is
storage
space,
where
34%
of
Faerie
are
somewhat
dissatisfied.
Sound
levels.
22%
are
somewhat
there
very
dissatisfied
with
that.
L
Changes
like
changing
a
career
or
having
a
child
I
think
wouldn't
have
been
able
to
experience
otherwise,
also
happy
that
you
know
able
to
escape
the
rental
market
and
rising
and
unpredictable
rental
costs
and
turnover
of
leases
and
so
forth,
and
that
11
percent
of
folks
who
wouldn't
purchase
again.
You
know
some
of
the
themes.
L
So
folks
talked
about
that,
some
folks
talked
about
dissatisfaction
with
their
particular
unit,
the
the
size
or
the
configuration
or
some
other
design
characteristic
in
some
instances,
poor
construction,
which
led
to
problems
and
then
HOA
costs,
rising
costs,
sometimes
being
an
issue
with
regards
to
have
there
been
any
surprises
to
you,
has
a
homeowner
and
about
50/50
split
forty,
nine
percent.
Yes,
and
probably
the
big
issue
among
those
you
did,
experience
surprises
were
high
and
particularly
increasing
HOA
costs.
L
I
think
there
was
also
a
lot
of
the
same
themes
repeated
from
the
earlier
graph,
so
concerns
about
uni
quality
and
with
initial
construction
lack
of
appreciation,
those
those
kinds
of
concerns,
and
both
on
this
slide.
On
the
previous
slide,
you
can
see
big
differences
between
the
different
satisfaction
groups
where,
in
this
case
you
know,
know
any
one
percent
of
those
who
are
dissatisfied,
we're
surprised
about
some
aspect
of
their
purchase
and
it's
I'm,
sorry
yeah.
L
L
Another
measure
to
some
degree
of
satisfaction
is:
do
you
anticipate
moving
out
of
your
unit
within
the
next
five
years
and
most
folks
do
not
57
percent
anticipate
stayin
for
five
years?
Thirty,
one
percent
are
unsure
and
twelve
percent
do
you
plan
to
move
out
and
if
we
just
look
at
those
yeses
and
babies
and
the
second
question,
what
are
the
main
reasons
you
plan
to
move?
You
can
see.
The
biggest
reason
is
living
a
larger
home
at
45
percent,
prefer
a
detached
home.
L
We
asked
this
in
a
couple
of
ways.
First
was
which
items
were
important
in
your
decision
to
purchase,
and
this
is
the
same
list
of
items
where
we
also
asked
people
to
rate
their
satisfaction.
You
can
see.
The
top
item
is
overall
cost
of
the
home
at
80
percent,
followed
by
location
of
the
home
at
76
percent
size
of
home
at
62
percent
and
progressively
less
below
that,
and
the
second
way
we
ask
this
question
was
what
were
the
most
important
and
second
most
important
factors.
L
L
We
also
asked
a
couple
of
questions
with
regards
to
the
importance
of
being
a
builder
and
the
importance
of
owning
and
your
decision
to
purchase
when
you're.
Looking
for
your
home,
the
top
graph
shows
that
69
percent
said
that
it
was
extremely
important,
further
home
to
be
located
in
the
city
of
Boulder
when
they
were
in
their
search
process
and
then
the
bottom
one
shows
that
81
percent
said
it
was
extremely
important
for
them
to
be
able
to
buy.
So
it
appears
as
if
both
of
those
characteristics
are
critical.
L
It's
not
just
there
in
Boulder,
because
this
is
the
only
you
know
they
don't
care
about
being
in
Boulder,
and
this
is
their
taking
advantage
of
the
home
ownership
program,
but
they
really
want
to
be
here,
or
at
least
most
folks
do
and
similarly
on
the
mine
side,
they
also
want
to
own
their
own
unit.
So
there
are
also
some
questions
regarding
sense
of
financial
security
and
how
that
ties
in
with
housing
costs.
L
Top
question
was
overall.
How
do
you
feel
about
your
current
financial
situation?
You
can
see
that
17%,
we're
not
at
all
secure
or
not
to
secure
and
83%
were
either
somewhat
secure.
That
58%
are
very
secure
at
27%,
so
I
think
this
is
probably
a
sensitive
issue
for
plenty
of
people
and
no,
what
do
you
feel
very
secure?
L
Many
people,
in
addition
deciding
that
there's
pros
and
cons
on
the
housing
program
side.
Positive
being
you
know,
relatively
fixed
mortgage
costs
and
xkp
in
the
rental
market,
which
was
often
much
more
expensive
on
the
home
they
moved
into
when
they
moved
into
ownership,
as
well
as
in
the
rental
market.
Ongoing
increases,
which
see,
at
least
for
many
folks,
were
sort
of
halted
when
they
moved
into
ownership,
at
least
to
some
degree.
L
Conversely,
on
the
flip
side,
some
folks
also
said
increasing
HOA
costs,
both
in
terms
of
assessments
and
dues,
were
a
factor
that
impacted
or
had
negative
impacts
on
their
sense
of
financial
security
and
then
independent
of
their
housing
situation.
Many
also
acknowledged
other
life's
changes
as
affecting
their
housing
situation,
either
getting
married
having
two
income
earners
getting
Social
Security
having
a
kid
or
the
kid
moving
outside
of
the
home,
developing
a
disability,
various
factors
that
influenced
that
sense
of
financial
security.
L
Second,
if
you
belong
to
an
HOA,
what
are
your
current
monthly
dues?
You
can
see
most
folks
between
the
hundred
and
four
hundred
range.
The
overall
average
was
two
hundred
and
forty-one
dollars.
The
median
was
also
two
hundred
and
forty-one
dollars
and
then,
finally,
at
the
end,
in
the
time
you've
wondered
home.
Have
there
been
any
lump
sum
special
assessments?
52%
of
there
had
been
assessments.
L
Costs
exceed
30
percent
of
income.
You
know
that
is
associated
in
terms
of
cost
burden
and
thirty,
six
percent
of
owners
kind
of
experiencing
those
cost
burdens,
and
that's
probably
a
little
understated
insofar
as
HOA
assessments
and
other
repairs
are
excluded
from
that
there's
various
raise.
You
know
that
in
terms
of
items
that
might
be
calculated
and
those
housing
cost
figure,
so
just
to
sort
of
recap,
I
think
some
of
the
main
highlights
from
the
survey.
L
Many
positive
indicators
of
satisfaction
with
in
terms
of
57%,
very
satisfied
and
34%,
somewhat
satisfied
with
their
home
89%
gladly
purchased
and
would
do
it
again,
68%
with
improved
financial
security,
since
they
purchased
most
planning
to
stay
for
at
least
five
years
57%
and
another
31%
baby,
and
then
also
just
qualitatively
in
comments.
Many,
you
know
expressing
gratefulness
and
appreciating
the
ability
to
stay
in
Boulder,
pride
of
ownership,
less
financial
stress
and
ability
to
take
more
risks
in
terms
of
life,
changes
and
so
forth.
L
So
clearly,
particularly
well,
both
in
comments
and
the
qualitative
quantitative
questions.
Potentially
some
areas
for
further
evaluation
and
potential
improvement
in
the
program
potentially
49%
have
had
surprises.
As
a
homeowner
most
in
the
leading
issue
there
and
unexpected
increases
in
HOA
costs,
65
percent
say
it's
really:
costs
have
been
higher
than
expected,
29%,
say,
maintenance
and
repair
costs
have
been
higher
than
expected,
so
developing
realistic
expectations
for
what
those
costs
might
be
in.
L
L
So
that's
just
a
very
quick
wrap-up
I
know
you
haven't
had
a
chance
to
look
at
this
data
up
until
you
know,
literally
as
we
speak,
I
think
it's
a
very
rich
data
set,
and
you
know
I
think,
there's
a
lot
more,
that
we
can
look
at
in
terms
of
deeper
dives
on
segments
of
people
who,
for
instance,
are
surprised
or
dissatisfied
or
feeling
more
or
less
financial
security
over
time.
So
any
questions
at
this
point
before
we
turn
to
the
next
survey.
Yeah.
A
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
did
any
you
you
conduct
this
routinely
across.
You
know:
affordable
housing
across
Colorado,
pretty
consistent
with
your
expectation,
any
nuances
for
Boulder.
You
could
share
with
us
at
any.
You
know.
Sometimes
certain
parts
of
the
data
did
you
jump
out
at
you
and
go?
Oh
that's
unique!
Anything
like
that
that
you
might
be
coming
on
I.
L
Think,
maybe,
as
compared
to
the
ski
resorts,
there's
comments
regarding
appreciation,
cap
and
I
think
there's
probably
more
of
an
expectation
in
places
like
Aspen
that
the
free
market
is
so
out
of
reach
that
you
know,
there's
probably
not
a
hope
of
using
affordable
housing
as
a
stepping
stone
to
free-market
housing.
Let's
not
say
that's
one
difference,
I
think
household
sizes,
or
you
know
why?
Don't
you
one-person
households
and
two-person
households?
L
That's
fairly
common,
you
see
an
aspen,
for
instance,
it's
may
well
be
an
average
of
2.1
people
per
household
and
the
affordable
ownership
units
in
aspen
yeah.
Those
are
the
two
that
jumped
to
mind
immediately.
I,
think
I'd,
but
I.
Think
that's
an
area
for
further
exploration.
I,
think
satisfaction
with
the
unit
is
one
thing
we'll
be
very
interested
in
comparing
just
you
know.
Is
it
comparable
here
higher
or
lower
I?
Think
the
maintenance
issues
maybe
jumps
out
a
bit
more
in
terms
of
generally
I.
J
The
the
section
on
financial
security
it
struck
me,
but
this
is
just
a
guess
that
by
its
very
nature,
someone
who's
trying
to
buy
a
house
that
doesn't
have
enough
money
to
buy
the
house
so
to
speak.
Hence
the
program
would
be
by
their
nature,
somewhat
financially
insecure,
because
they're
on
this
edge,
where
a
small
capital
piece
or
could
be
an
HOA
increases,
is
absolutely
devastating.
L
And
you
can
I
mean
you
can
see
that
well.
So,
for
instance,
the
as
we'll
see
in
the
HOA
survey,
the
median
cost
of
an
assessment
was
$1,500,
and
you
know
that's
a
big
chunk
of
money
for
a
lot
of
folks
and
I
mean
you
can
definitely
read
a
lot
of
that
sort
of
anxiety
regarding
financial
security
and
when
you
look
at
financial
security
relative
to
the
ratio
of
income
to
housing
costs,
the
people
who
feel
me
secure
are
paying
the
highest
proportion
of
their
income
towards
housing
so
on
the
flipside.
H
Thank
you
first,
just
a
remark.
This
is
amazing
and
I
would
have
loved
the
opportunity
to
look
over
it
obviously
and
I
realized
that
that
was
no
fault
of
your
own.
That
was
the
last-minute
thing,
but
this
is
mostly
for
Jeff,
actually
that
if,
in
the
future
we
sort
of
realized
that
we're
not
gonna
get
the
data
ahead
of
time.
This
is
one
of
those
things
that
I
would
love
to
be
in
the
packet
beforehand.
H
Just
because
there's
so
much
here-
and
you
know,
we
could
really
have
a
really
deep
conversation
about
how
much
stuff
is
going
on
in
here,
but
I'll
just
say
that
as
a
note,
so
I'm
fine
postponing
things.
If
we
have
that
option
a
meeting,
if
we
don't
have
the
data
available
ahead
of
time
to
review
I
want
to
say
the
thing
that
stands
out
the
most
to
me
is
it's
pretty
obvious
that
for
the
percentage,
ninety
five
percent
have
an
HOA
that
it
looks
like
these
people
didn't
know.
H
Special
assessments
were
a
thing,
so
whatever
we
have
to
do
to
you
know
mitigate
that
impact
on
people
or
at
least
make
them
aware
at
the
beginning
of
the
process
that
yeah
you
could
be
charged
or
expected
to
produce
thousands
of
dollars
pretty
much
within
a
couple
months
to
fix
something.
You
know,
that's
that's
pretty
important,
so
a
detailed
list
of
any
projects
or
scheduled
maintenance
prior
to
people
actually
signing
up
for
you
know,
buying
a
home
that
has
an
HOA
I.
H
F
Have
to
check
and
see
what
that
document
looks
like
the
acknowledgement
of
I
know.
We
have
a
signed
acknowledgement
of
the
rent
of
the
restrictions
that
come
with
the
covenant,
whether
that
includes
an
acknowledgment
by
an
owner
potential
owner
that
they
understand
what
the
HOA
special
assessment
possibility
is.
I,
don't
know:
okay,.
A
And
I
went
through
that
and
I
know
that
when
I
went
through
it,
which
was
just
a
couple
months
ago,
there
was
training
in
that
around
the
special
assessment
and
and
I
remember
her
specifically
saying
and
making
a
huge
point
of
it
that
this
is
why
you
want
to
get
on
an
HOA
board.
The
minute
you
become
an
owner
so
that
you
don't
get
hit
with
them.
So
I
personally,
remember
that,
but
yeah
I'd
be
interesting
to
see
if
we
could
get
more
information
about
it.
H
Just
a
quick
haul,
but
it's
it's
pretty
clear
that
an
individual
when
they
are
purchasing
this
should
have
some
sort
of
list
of
potential
special
assessments
or
plan
maintenance
before
they
essentially
sign
the
contract.
Like
you
know,
it's
not
necessarily
required
I
guess
so,
maybe
that's
something
just
as
a
best
practice
that
we
can
start
doing
within
the
program.
Just
a
suggestion.
D
Thank
you.
That
was
really
good.
My
question
is
actually
for
you
Jay,
so
there
were
two
parts
to
the
final
comments
and,
besides
the
fact
that
obviously
you're
going
to
send
this
round
to
all
your
staff
and
congratulate
each
other
for
all
the
good
achievements
and
positive
feedback.
What
are
the
next
steps
about
the
issues
that
have
come
to
the
front
of
concerns?
Well,.
M
That's
why
we're
bringing
it
to
you
now,
because
we
would
like
your
thoughts
impressions
on
what
some
potential
next
steps
could
be,
but
you
know
we
haven't
identified
anyway.
I
mean
we
have
barely
had
a
chance
to
digest
it,
and
we
actually
have
another
presentation
ready
for
you,
and
this
was
done
a
survey
of
management
companies,
so
it
provides
a
slightly
different
perspective.
How
are
we
doing
on
time.
A
So,
typically,
we
take
a
ten-minute
recess
right
now
and
then,
before
we
dive
into
that
piece,
if
that
would
be
okay,
if
we
could
do
that,
but
I
think
there's
a
few
people
that
have
some
more
questions
before
we
move
on
to
that
next
piece.
If
we
could
answer
those
before
we
take
a
break
and
move
into
the
next
piece
earlier,
somebody
knew
before
we
go
back
in
to
Michael
Jack.
G
I
believe
it's
not
a
part
of
what
you
did
here,
necessarily
and
but
I
just
want
to
confirm
that
you
don't
have
it
buried
somewhere
in
that
data.
Was
there
any
engagement
with
I
suppose,
specifically
I'm
interested
in
finding
out
where
these
assessments
came?
If
there
was
any,
if
you
dived
into
that
at
all,
as
far
as
what
the
assessments
were
for,
if
there
are
any
specific
categories
and
that
sort
of
thing
yeah.
L
Well,
there
was
a
question
about
you
know
how
much
was
the
assessment.
What
was
it
for
and
when
did
it
occur
relatively
few
responses
for
that,
so
unfortunately,
probably
I
mean
we'll
take
a
closer
look,
but
probably
a
little
hard
to
make
too
many
generalization,
I
guess
maybe
between
both
this
survey
and
the
HOA
survey.
J
It's
like
if
anyone's
ever
checked
into
a
hospital,
and
they
say
sign
here,
you
don't
really
read
the
disclaimer.
You
know
you're
not
really
thinking
about
that
you're
thinking
I
just
like
to
make
it
through
the
night
and
they're
pretty
excited
so
I
thought
that
was
a
poignant
comment
by
remember
not
earlier
and
would
be
important
to
remember
in
that
acknowledgement.
I,
don't
know
you
frame
that
education
process,
but
it
was
a
dynamic.
A
H
Just
a
comment,
so
we
were
looking
for
essentially
this
for
permanently
affordable,
rentals
at
one
point,
that's
kind
of
what
we're
looking
for
is
the
barrier
to
that,
just
the
sheer
amount
of
surveying
that
would
be
required,
since
this
is
a
pretty
small
amount
of
people.
I
realized
that
permanently
affordable.
Rentals
are
much
higher.
F
I
can't
speak
to
the
weather,
it's
just
a
straight-line
calculation
for
the
cost.
I
think
what
we
provided
to
you
was
that
I
think
was
about
two-thirds
of
the
residents
of
affordable
rentals
are
surveyed
by
the
rental
property
owners
and
they
use
very
different
methodologies.
They
have
the
primary
relationship.
If
the
city,
we
don't,
for
example,
have
names
of
anybody
and
in
our
database
of
who's,
renting
properties,
so
there'd
be
some
practicalities
to
overcome.
It
could
certainly
be
done.
We
have
addresses.
H
M
Was
a
good
reminder
because
our
intention
was
to
bring
like
the
bhp
surveys
that
they've
done
right?
They
haven't
been
I,
don't
think,
do
it
consistently
like
year
after
year,
but
they
have
done
quite
a
few
and
it
would
be
helpful
context.
So
we'll
try
to
get
that
to
you
as
well
and.
A
I
will
piggyback
on
what
Adams
saying,
as
well
with
the
rental
ones.
It'd
be
interesting
if,
in
our
agreements
with
these
property
owners,
that
a
suggestion
or
a
requirement
of
annual
or
biannual
satisfaction
reports
or
something
along
those
surveys
are
done
so
that
we
can
see
how
they're
doing
as
a
provider.
H
Just
my
last
little
bit
and
those
surveys
that
were
provided
were
primarily
from
non-for-profit
organizations
and
my
biggest
concern
is
actually
with
the
for-profit
organizations
so
having
something
along
those
lines
with
that
data
I'd
love
to
see
the
differences
between
for-profit
providers
and
not-for-profit
providers.
If
we
have
the
ability
to
do
so,.
C
Good
report
I
think
it
had
a
lot
of
good
information.
I
know
we
only
did
it
for
a
second,
but
to
me
it's
not
overly
surprising
in
general,
the
people
who
have
permanently
affordable
housing
that
they
own
are
pretty
happy
about
it
and
they
really
like
it,
and
that's
really
good,
because
that
means
the
program
is
working
and
and
the
consumer
the
end
result
of
all
the
work
that
goes
into
creating
permanently
affordable
homes.
The
people
are
pretty
happy
to
be
to
be
owning
them.
I
think
you
touched
on
it.
C
C
L
There
were
a
number
of
comments
that
people
felt
that
they
couldn't
because
the
free
market
is
appreciated
so
much
while
affordable
housing
has
depreciated
much
less
sure
they
felt
they
wouldn't
have
the
home
equity
to
sort
of
transfer
into
a
purchase
of
a
free
market.
Home
I
think
that
was
the
gist
of
it,
and
you
know
some
comments
regarding:
can
the
appreciation
rate
be
calculated
to
up
compounds
and
if
you
live
in
your
unit
long
enough,
can
you
get
a
waiver?
L
C
C
C
B
A
L
Thank
you
so
so
this
was
the
second
survey
that
was
done
simultaneously.
This
was
a
ways
primarily
the
property
management
firms
that
manage
the
HOAs.
This
is
a
little
bit
short
of
a
presentation,
but
you
can
see
the
outline
here
and
first
we'll
go
into
the
methodology,
so
it
was
a
male
survey.
Mailed
out
to
HOAs.
There
was
an
ability
to
take
the
survey
either
on
paper
or
or
online.
Most
of
the
surveys
were
mailed
to
property
management
firms
which
appear
to
manage,
probably
on
the
order
of
75
percent
of
the
HOAs.
Oh
okay
and.
L
So
at
least
we
got
double
the
response
count
this
time.
So
I
think
one
thing
that
we
did
this
time
that
helped
was
just
making
repeated
calls
to
property
management
firms
just
really
encouraging
them
to
participate.
He
also
gave
all
the
property
management
firms
Nathan
Chili's
a
$2
bill
for
every
itch
away.
They
had
and
that
probably
helped
a
little
bit
as
well.
L
So
in
the
presentation
we
focused
primarily
here
on
comparing
the
2019
and
2012
results,
given
that
relatively
small
sample
size
at
43
and
2012.
You
know
that
requires
some
caution
interpreting,
but
a
lot
of
strong
parallels
between
the
two
years,
so
first
property
characteristics.
This
first
slide
looks
at
as
the
HOA
professionally
managed.
L
74%,
yes,
26%
no
this
year
and
you
can
see
that's
very
similar
to
the
ratio
in
2012
next
graph
illustrates
the
number
of
residential
units
in
the
development.
You
can
see
that
there
was
an
average
of
48
units
per
respond,
eh
away
this
year
as
compared
to
80
in
2012.
So
that's
skew
to
so
much
smaller
complexes
this
year,
then
in
2012.
L
Regards
to
types
of
residential
buildings
in
the
HOA
altogether,
88%
of
HOAs
had
attached
units
and
that's
somewhat
higher
than
71%
in
2012,
but
in
both
cases
large
majority
of
each
always
had
attached
units.
You
can
see
at
the
bottom
that
17%
had
detached
units
this
year
in
2012.
That
was
a
significantly
higher
than
37%
and
I.
Think
we,
the
survey
reached
a
lot
of
you,
know
golfcourse
type
or
you
know,
single-family
communities
that
had
don't
fit
the
mold
of
the
affordable
housing
nature
way.
L
Hoa
services
and
maybe
I,
should
just
effect
before
jumping
into
that
I'll
say
one
other
piece
of
information
we
collected
on
the
survey
is:
are
there
any
affordable
units
in
the
HOA
and
about
the
quarter
for
spine?
Hoh
have
affordable
units,
and
that
was
very
similar
to
the
last
time
and
we
also
look
at
segmentation
of
HOAs
with
and
without
affordable
units
overall,
a
lot
of
parallels
between
the
two
so
moving
along
to
services
provided
by
the
HOA,
so
common
amenities,
similar
mix
of
common
amenities.
Both
years
with
you
know,
common
landscaping
that.
L
L
L
Hoa
finances
first,
we've
got
what
is
the
method
for
calculating
HOA
dues,
and
you
can
see
that
for
about
half
the
HOAs
this
year.
These
are
the
same
for
all
the
units
in
the
complex
and
foremost
the
other
HOH.
The
dues
vary
by
floor
yeah
43%
this
year.
So
that's
again,
relatively
similar
results
this
year
and
seven
years
ago
with
regards
to
the
average
monthly
dues
for
per
unit-
and
you
can
see
looking
at
the
bottom
at
the
average
there
of
the
average
is
308
this
year
as
compared
to
177,
twelve
and
twenty
twelve.
L
So
a
pretty
substantial
increase
at
308
for
those
86
a
two
ways.
It
compares
to
the
241
that
we
saw
for
the
affordable,
homeowner
survey,
so
dues
relatively
higher
when
you
look
at
the
broader
market
than
for
affordable
owners,
and
it
could
well
be
that
those
affordable
owners
to
the
extent
that
some
of
them
are
in
units
their
their
dues
vary
by
floor
area.
They
might
not
pay
as
much
on
average
if
you
isolate
just
those
HOAs
that
have
affordable
units
and
that
turns
out
to
be
20
HOAs
in
this
sample.
L
The
HOA
monthly
HOA
cost
is
identical
to
the
overall
or
virtually
identical
the
median.
Actually,
it
is
identical.
The
median
HOA
cost
is
300
for
the
overall
sample
of
86,
for
this
question
is
probably
80
or
so
responding.
Hoas,
maybe
close
to
86,
there's
also
a
median
of
$300
for
those
complexes
to
have
affordable
units,
I
guess
another
comparison
being
for
those
complexes
that
have
affordable
units.
Collectively
they
have
about
a
35%
of
affordable
unit
stock.
L
That
$300
overall
would
compare
to
the
241
median
monthly
HOA
cost
for
affordable
owners.
So
again,
while
the
owners
complain
or
have
concerns
about
those
costs
and
the
rising
costs,
it's
still
somewhat
less
than
the
general
market,
even
within
complexes
that
have
affordable
units.
What
asterisk
being
that
you
know
this,
isn't
the
entire
market
in
this
survey.
This
is
just
essentially
responding
properties.
Only
to
funding
of
capital
reserves
and
major
improvements.
Does
the
HOA
have
a
capital
reserve
account
separate
from
the
operating
account,
and
you
can
see
that
90%
and
that's
common?
L
Balance
per
unit
you
can
see
at
the
average
at
the
bottom
that
the
capital
account
balance
per
unit.
Is
you
know
two
and
a
half
times
higher
now
than
it
was
back
in
2012?
And
if
you
look
at
the
percentage
distributions,
some
of
those
complexes
had
relatively
small
capital
reserves
per
unit
46%
with
less
than
a
thousand
dollars
per
unit.
L
Even
if
you
look
at
HOAs
which
have
attached
units
only
you
see
better
funding
this
year,
then
in
2012
in
terms
of
these
capital
reserves.
So
probably
some
of
the
increases
that
owners
we're
talking
about
in
terms
of
twos
going
up
the
one
benefit
has
likely
been
that
that's
resulted
in
healthier
capital
reserve
balances.
L
Is
the
capital
reserve
account
funded
by
how
is
it
funded
himself?
You
can
see
95%
funded
by
a
portion
of
monthly
dues.
Much
smaller
share
use,
ad
hoc,
special
assessments.
So,
with
regards
to
predictability,
it's
encouraging
to
see
the
most
most
to
relying
on
Jews
moving
along
to
special
assessments.
L
This
year
you
can
see
that
34%
of
HOAs
have
had
special
assessments
in
the
past
six
years
and
that's
up
from
10%
and
the
2012
survey.
The
median
cost
of
a
special
assessment
was
$1,500.
The
range
was
pretty
wide
from
I.
Think
question
asked
people
to
identify
the
year
amount
and
purpose
of
the
special
assessments.
L
Has
the
HOA
completed
a
capital
reserve
study
in
the
past
six
years.
A
much
lower
share
this
year
at
46
percent
versus
78
percent
and
so
potentially
some
concern
there.
My
understanding
is
that
it's
typically
good
practice
to
do
that.
Maybe
every
five
years
ish,
perhaps
with
regards
to
moving
on
to
the
next
question.
How
would
you
describe
the
HOH
general
financial
condition?
L
L
Okay,
so
those
properties
that
the
HOA
has
been
in
excellent
financial
condition
had
an
average
reserve
balance
of
7,000
per
unit.
Those
who
said
the
general
financial
condition
was
poor
had
an
average
of
$1,000
1036
dollars,
capital
reserve
per
unit
and
the
good
and
fair
kind
of
scale
in
between
those,
so
that
capital,
reserve
balance
is
really
and
how
well
our
capital
reserves
funded
relative
to
the
reserve
study.
That's
really
the
key
benchmark
that
it's
always
appear
to
use
to
evaluate
the
general
financial
condition
at
least
shows
a
very
strong
relationship.
L
To
has
the
HOA
taken
any
of
the
following
actions
in
the
past
12
months
to
address
any
budgetary
shortfalls
or
constraints?
If
you
look
at
the
bottom
and
sure
that
say
none
19
and
40
percent,
if
you
reverse
that
it
essentially
indicates
that
81%
of
HOAs
have
taken
steps
in
2019,
that's
up
for
60
percent
from
sixty
percent
in
2012.
If
you
look
at
the
top,
you
can
see
that
72
percent
of
increased
used
this
year
for
increased
duties
in
the
past
twelve
months
as
compared
to
forty
percent
back
in
2012.
L
Hoa
has
been
more
likely
to
also
levy
special
assessments.
The
second
category
at
nineteen
versus
five
percent
and,
conversely,
they've
been
somewhat
less
likely
to
take
various
cost-cutting
measures
such
as
reducing
landscaping
expenditures
where
it's
ten
percent
this
year
versus
18%,
previously
deferred
maintenance,
nine
percent
this
year
versus
15
percent
previously
and
allowing
residents
to
perform
minor
tasks.
L
Moving
on
to
the
next
slide-
and
these
are
just
a
couple
of
interesting
informational
results,
would
you
be
able
to
provide
a
copy
of
the
manual
budget
so
that
about
55
percent?
We're
willing
to
do
so
this
year,
similar
share
previously,
and
then
finally,
would
you
like
to
receive
a
summary
copy?
The
aggregate
results
82
percent,
yes,
so
great-
that
this
information
might
hopefully
be
helpful
to
HOAs
more
broadly
and
then
finally,
just
to
wrap
up
I
think
you
know
at
the
top
some
differences
in
the
HOA
profiles
between
this
year
and
seven
years
ago.
L
So
we
have
to
be
a
little
cautious
and
comparing
the
two
years
in
particularly
fewer
units
and
the
responses
this
year
and
less
likely
to
have
detached
homes
this
year,
and
we
can
control
for
that
by
just
looking
at
segments
of
the
data
and,
for
instance,
by
looking
at
just
attached
units
a
lot
of
similarities
and
the
common
amenities
and
services
provided
by
HOAs
both
years.
A
lot
of
similarities
in
the
finances
of
nature
ways
with
similar
mix
of
methods
of
counting
dudes,
either
identical
for
all
the
units
or
varying
by
floor
size.
L
Now,
in
2012,
300
versus
201
median
dues
cost
higher
instance
of
lump
sum,
a
special
assessments
in
the
prior
six
years,
34
percent
this
year
versus
10
percent
20:12
on
the
flip
side,
with
those
higher
costs,
also
stronger
capital
reserve
balances
at
a
median
of
2,700
per
unit,
now
versus
1200
per
unit
in
2012
capital
reserve
study,
less
likely,
you've
been
updated
recently
in
the
past
six
years
and
then
HOAs
being
more
proactive
in
taking
steps
to
address
budgetary
shortfalls.
We're
feeling
the
need
to
address
budgetary
shortfalls
at
81%
vs.
L
60%,
particularly
by
increasing
dues,
and
having
special
assessments
and
being
less
likely
to
cut
costs
by
deferring
maintenance
or
allowing
residents
before
minor
tasks
or
looking
at
cutting
other
operating
costs.
So
again,
just
a
very
quick
overview
of
you
know
some
of
the
key
findings
and
I
think
you
know
again
the
ability
to
sort
of
drill
down
more
deeply
on
the
results
and
we'll
be
working
with
staff
on
looking
at.
You
know
some
additional
breakdowns
so.
A
L
L
For
instance,
I
guess
the
question
regarding
have
any:
have
there
been
any
lump
sum
special
assessments
in
the
past
six
years
and
if
so,
what
year?
And
what
was
the
amount
in
the
cost?
That
was
one
worth
76
of
the
e6
respondents
answered
so
probably
85
percent.
In
that
case,
we
just
took
only
the
respondents
and
we
assume
that
you
know
the
non
respondents
may
well
have
I
mean
I,
guess
you're,
never
certain,
but
in
the
results
it
effectively
assumes
that
they
had
the
same
sort
of
distribution
of
patterns
and
certainly
with
the
other
survey.
L
B
L
M
B
L
B
To
see
if
there
just
might
impact
capital
reserves
and
things
like
that,
it
was
a
good
point,
question
right
and
then
another
question
was
what
I
don't
know
if
there
was
any
free
response
to
any
of
these
questions,
but
was
there
any
comment
about
the
increased
cost
of
building
materials
and
construction,
as
relates
to
labor,
and
that
being
a
concern
of
why
maybe
HOA
dues
had
increased
or
capital
reserve
yeah
and
that's
I
promise
you
that's
my
last
question.
Okay,
you.
L
Know
we
did
so.
There
was
the
main
sort
of
question
that
sort
of
was
designed
to
encourage
that
feedback
was
asking
if
people
had
any
comments
on
the
financial
status
of
the
HOA,
the
excellent
good,
fair,
poor
and
relatively
few,
it's
aways
responded
and
it's
probably
12
out
of
86
12,
13
or
so,
and
most
of
them
commented
on
the
degree
to
which
their
reserves
were
adequately
funded,
and
you
know
was
it
50
percent.
So
I
did
80%
no
comments
that
I
recall
about
the
cost
of
building
materials
or
cost
of
labour.
L
M
D
J
L
L
J
It's
an
eyeball
in
like
the
multifamily
lending
space,
for
example,
typically
are
250
to
300
a
unit
as
far
as
reserves,
and
so,
if
I
take
that,
like
by
the
$4,500,
those
on
average
and
the
one
to
kind
of
back
in
it's
about
an
18
month
which
didn't
seem
like
a
long
time.
But
then
I
make
the
observation
that
often
times
capital
assessments
are
kind
of
lumpy
they're.
Not
you
know
you
do
an
average,
but
then
they're
kind
of
they're
sort
of
discontinuous.
J
If
you
will
of
you
know,
a
wolf
happens
once
every
you
know,
10
or
15
or
20
years,
depending
or
other
things
like
that.
So
the
smoothing
part
is
interesting,
but
then
you
can
get
one
big
call,
which
causes
all
the
consternation
of
people
that
don't
have
the
money
there.
Maybe
there's
no
debt
capacity
of
the
HOA
to
borrow
money.
Great.
L
Point
great
point:
yeah
I
mean
I,
think
the
survey
didn't
go
into
as
much
depth
and
just
all
those
financial
metrics,
as
could
potentially
be
useful,
but
clearly
a
relationship
between
at
least
a
general
impression
of
how
the
HOAs
financial
other
statuses
looking
and
started
at
Kapalua.
Reserve
balance.
G
Besides
the
questions
that
have
already
been
asked
here,
I
got
a
couple.
Others
one
is
so.
If
I
get.
If
I
got
this
right,
it
appears
that
HOAs
that
are
serving
affordable,
housing
versus
HOAs
that
are
just
serving
only
market
rate,
affordable
housing,
HOAs
are
performing
as
well
or
potentially
better
as
far
as
their
costs.
Overall,
we
just
see
that's
just
looking
at
cross
basis.
Okay
and
I.
Don't
know
if
there's
any
way
to
pull
this
out
of
the
data.
L
L
L
All
right,
okay,
so
single-family
homes,
affordable,
single-family
homes,
have
an
average
HOA
of
103,
pretty
cheap,
which
compares
to
254
for
town
homes,
duplexes
and
271
for
condos,
so
single-family
home
is
definitely
you
know,
obviously
wouldn't
have
as
many
common
elements,
particularly
regarding
the
structure,
but
it
looks
reasonably
similar
for
condos
townhouses
duplexes,
and
then
we
were
just
to
narrow
down
to
the
sub
segment.
Look
at
number
of
bedrooms.
H
So
one
breakdown
of
the
data,
I
think
would
be
insightful
is
if
you
broke
it
down,
based
on
whether
or
not
the
HOA
is
professionally
managed
just
to
see.
If
what
are
we
paying
for
with
professional
management,
and
does
that
actually
lead
to
a
you
know,
maybe
you
lower
HOA
fees
or
at
least
a
better
reserve.
H
H
So
if,
as
I
see
here,
AJ's
are
being
professionally
managed
at
the
same
rate,
if
not
slightly
higher
than
they
were
yet
it
doesn't
seem
like
they
have
as
good
a
you
know,
impact
idea
of
what's
going
on
in
their
reserves,
that
that
kind
of
is
concerning
to
me
what
are
what
are
people
paying
for
not
preparation
for
bad
things
to
happen?
So
that's
just
the
point
that
really
stuck
out
to
me
also
just
to
keep
all
this
data
in
mind.
H
It
would
strike
me
that
it's
probably
the
best
of
the
HOAs
that
are
responding
to
this,
maybe
not
the
worst
of
the
HOAs.
So
this
I
mean
that's
pretty
common
practice.
If
you
don't
think
you're
doing
a
very
good
job
and
you
have
a
lot
of
complaints.
You're
not
gonna,
respond
to
a
survey,
so
this
might
be
a
rosy
set
of
data.
We're
looking
at.
L
L
L
F
F
C
So
what
I'm
seeing
is
there
might
be
a
lot
more
special
assessments
coming
up
here
in
the
next
whatever
decade,
because
a
lot
of
these
homes
are
gonna
or
these
HOA
buildings
are
gonna
start
getting
to
the
point
where
they
need
these
things
and
you're
going
to
need
more
money
to
fix
them
and
construction
costs
are
crazy.
All-Time
I
won't
go
into
that
right
now,
but
but
there's
a
problem
because.
C
Okay,
two
hundred
thousand
dollar
unit
and
the
market
rate
unit
is
an
eight
hundred
thousand
dollar
unit.
So
if
it's
three
hundred
bucks
a
month
across
the
board,
the
person
who
has
the
eight
hundred
thousand
dollar
unit
doesn't
not
that
the
person
who
has
a
250
thousand
dollar
unit
is
probably
a
really
big
deal
so
I,
don't
know
how
to
fix
it,
but
I
know
that
it's
there
and
it's
probably
going
to
get
worse
as
time
goes
on,
because
the
bigger
special
assessments
are
I
think
are
most
likely
coming
down.
The
pike.
A
M
A
G
M
M
A
M
M
H
M
A
Very
much
okay,
we'll
move
on
to
matters
from
the
board
and
that's
pretty
much
gonna
be
engagement
for
a
little
while.
So
we've
got
some
reports
and
do
you
want
to
just
take
over
Adam
sure.
H
H
So
the
very
first
one
on
the
list
here
is
have
engagement,
committee
purpose
and
goals
and
of
the
engagement
committee
purpose
and
goals.
So
so
this
is
just
putting
out
there
the
final
verb.
We
just
wanted
to
put
that
in
there
to
make
sure
that
that's
on
the
record
as
what
the
goals
are
for
this
year
and
yeah,
that
was
the
last
iteration.
So
there's
no
decision
to
be
made
there
I'll
wait
until
our
next
thing
is
up
on
the
screen
to
talk
about
it.
A
D
You
you
got
it
I
just
wanted
to
mention
for
Carrie
and
Julia
that
these
have
already
been
voted
on
and
approved.
The
reason
why
we're
putting
it
with
the
packet
is,
we
wanted
to
add
a
minimum,
create
an
official
record
of
of
this,
and
both
this
and
the
next
one
I
believe
that
Zack
thinks
he
can
create
a
link
to
to
our
website
so
that
all
board
approved
reports
can
be
looked
up
by
the
public.
A
So
I'm,
just
based
on
what
you're
saying
as
well,
especially
since
we
new
members
when
we
talk
about
board-approved
and
I,
are
we
saying-
and
this
is
kind
of
more
of
a
process-
question
that
once
something's
been
approved,
it's
never
open
for
discussion
again
or
if
they
wanted
to
add
a
comment
in
this
section.
Is
it
not
okay,.
D
H
H
H
D
D
A
So
the
only
comment
that
I
have
is
towards
the
very
end
on
the
last
three
paragraphs
and
I
brought
this
up
I
when
you
had
sent
it
out
in
the
packet
requesting
any
comments
on.
It
was
in
the
essentially
this
third
small
paragraph
where
it
says
have
decided
to
forego
a
public
hearing
on
affordable
housing,
and
then
it
skips
to
the
next
sentence
of,
however,
have
instead
decided
to
provide
an
educational
session
on
the
affordable
housing
experience.
A
And
then,
in
the
next
paragraph
it
says,
housing,
staff
and
general
public
will
be
invited
to
attend
and
participate
in
a
more
interactive
manner.
So
to
me,
if
we're
having
an
educational
session,
educational
to
me
means
that
you're
calling
in
people
to
educate
them
and
then
in
the
next
paragraph,
you're
saying
an
interactive
manner.
So
it
seems
like
you're
having
both
and
I'm
I
was
I
pointed
out
just
it
seemed
in
congruent
that.
H
H
A
H
H
This
this
makes
sense
so
over
the
year,
while
we
had
been
trying
to
get
more
public
feedback
and
get
people
in
to
talk
to
us,
the
the
biggest
thing
that
stood
out
was
the
affordable
housing
resident
concerns,
because
we
had
multiple
people
at
multiple
occasions
come
and
talk
to
us
about
it,
because
it
was
a
major
issue
with
them,
especially
the
rising
rents
and
amenities
costs
increases.
So
we
decided
through
overtime
and
a
few.
You
know
interesting
on
the
board.
H
It
says
educational
here
that
should
say
listening
and
it
will,
in
the
future,
going
forward
so
feel
free
to
cross.
That
out
and
sort
of
the
goal
of
this
is
to
interact
with
segments
of
the
community
that
are
usually
under
heard
or
underserved
in
some
way.
So
just
for
an
example,
people
we
don't
often
hear
from
we're
permanently
affordable
housing
residents.
H
So
that's
the
goal
of
this
outline
is
to
adopt
two
more
topics
for
2019
and
just
a
couple
examples
of
things
or
other
groups
that
we
might
be
interested
in
hearing
from
people
with
disabilities,
seniors
people
of
color
students,
all
you
know,
sort
of
minority
groups
in
the
community
who
generally
we
don't
get
hear
from
very
often
so,
that's
sort
of
the
goals
of
these
sessions.
Okay,.
A
And
so
before
we
move
on
I
just
want
to
do
you
guys
clearly
understand
what
we're
talking
about
with
these
listening
sessions?
Any
questions
about
that
you're
shaking
your
head?
No,
you
don't
understand
okay,
so
this
goes
back
to
the
just
that
process
we
were
just
talking
about
earlier.
Is
the
goal
is
to
soften
and
do
outreach
in
a
different
manner,
so
using
this
format
that
we
have
set
up
right
now
and
do
specific
targeted
outreach
to
particular
groups
that
may
feel
marginalized
or
not
or
disenfranchised
in
some
manner
by
the
city?
A
So
we
would
specifically
ask
them
to
come
in
and
we
would
have
a
listening
session
around
say
if
it
was
seniors.
What
are
the
issues
you're
really
facing?
How
can
we
take
your
cause
towards
the
City
Council,
and
that
would
be
a
topic,
so
what
what
engagement
put
together
was
this
list
of
a
process
of
how
we
could
decide
on
who
we
want
to
reach
out
to
and
then
ask
them
through
advertising
and
trying
to
pull
them
into
a
session?
Does
that
make
sense
and.
A
K
M
A
And,
what's
interesting
that
we
don't
often
talk
about?
Is
that
actually
Boulder
County's,
most
recent
numbers
put
people
of
color
in
a
total
at
22%,
so
a
lot
more
than
what
we're
talking
about.
So
it's
to
me
that
could
be
a
topic
of
discussion
it
up
to
what
are
we
not
hearing?
What
are
we
not
asking
so
and.
J
A
Like
the
example,
yeah
example
of
seniors
is
like
before
Arthur
came
and
spoke
to
us.
I
wasn't
really
thinking
about
accessibility
on
all
of
the
units,
and
so
it
was
informative,
incredibly
informative
to
have
him
come
and
talk
about
it.
So
these
sessions
would
be
more
open
to
kind
of
topic
specific
and
allowing
us
to
engage
and
outreach
specifically
so
like
if
it
was
mobile,
home
parks
we'd
one
as
many
people
as
possible
mobile
home
parks
and
to
come
in
and
talk
to
us
about
the
issues
and
situations
that
they
have
coming
up.
D
I
just
want
to
add,
so
this
is
just
the
process
by
how
we
pick
the
additional
two
topics
without
having
to
spend
a
whole
lot
of
time
discussing
it
at
the
meeting
you
know,
so
we
can
just
send
send
our
ideas.
Coryell.
Send
it
out
to
everyone,
will
vote
at
the
meeting
in
the
top.
Two
will
be
two
so
part.
A
So
when
you
get
these,
what
we
did
to
early
on
for
have
was
that
we
would
start
these
meetings
and
we'd
have
so
much
of
this
deep
dive
into
the
reason
it
goes
into
the
packet,
and
we
spend
time
with
it
before
we
get
to
these
meetings
is
that
we
can
ask
each
other
or
be
prepared
for
questions
or
anything
like
that,
so
you
can,
when
you
get
these
packets
feel
free
to.
If
you
have
any
questions,
put
it
back
up
to
the
group.
A
Exactly
it
so
what
we're
we're
choosing
to
the
motion
is
right.
Now.
Is
this
the
the
process
we
want
to
adopt
on
this?
First
one
and
again
it's
not
set
in
stone,
because
we
may
try
this
out
and
try
something
out
and
it
doesn't
work
and
that's
the
beauty
of
us
being
a
brand-new
board.
Is
we
get
to
try
things
out
and
and
then
and
then
talk
about
whether
or
not
it
worked
and
back
up
a
little
bit
and
try
again
Adam
you
had
more
I
just.
A
And
just
so
you
know
it's
like
he'll
make
the
motion
somebody
seconds
it
and
then
it
need
to
open
it
for
discussion,
and
then
you
can
ask
questions
about
it
exactly
so,
whenever
we
do
so
whenever
anybody
brings
something
for
us,
they
bring
it
forth
as
a
motion
first
and
then
somebody
else.
Second
it
and
then
it's
open
for
discussion
and
we
can
make
any
friendly
amendments
or
pet
and
then
it'll
go
to
a
vote
so
go
ahead.
Anna
great.
D
A
L
A
B
Don't
know
if
Terry
you
feel
this
way
because
we're
both
new
or
anyone
else
has
a
question.
But
one
of
the
things
that
would
be
helpful
to
me
is
to
understand
the
rationale
behind
each
of
these
points
and
why,
for
example,
narrow
the
housing
topics
number
one
that
are
not
on
current
council
work
plan
just
to
AC,
you
have
a
sentence,
sort
of
an
explanatory
sense.
A
D
The
first
one
is
anything:
that's
on
the
council
work
plan
about
housing
comes
to
us
anyway,
so
we
we
will
have
a
public
hearing
on
anything
that
we
have
to
give
a
recommendation
for
so
we'd
be
repeating
something
we'll
be
doing
anyway
in
a
public
hearing.
So
that's
why
we
don't
need
to
do
any
council
things.
D
That's
the
open
comment
section,
so
the
open
comment
session.
Anyone
can
come
to
talk
about
anything
about
housing
that
they
want.
The
public
hearing
is
it's
posted
ahead
of
time
as
a
public
hearing
and
it's
usually
a
little
later
in
the
meeting
and
and
and
people
come
and
talk
about
it
and
that's
when
we
will
give
our
input
to
staff
to
pass
on
to
City
Council.
D
Then
the
narrowed,
the
2019
topics
to
those
that
are
not
particularly
controversial,
I'll,
just
say,
I,
think
we
tried
to
raise
an
issue
that
we
wanted
to
investigate.
That
was
fairly
controversial
and
council
flat-out
was
not
interested
in
that.
So
we're
trying
to
look
at
things
that
aren't
especially
controversial,
that
that
was
our
sense,
and
that
was
something
I
think
the
board
had
discussed
somebody
jump
in
if
that's
not
correct,
but
and
those
are
the
only
ones.
Probably
that
need
explanation.
Maybe
let
me
know.
B
As
it
relates
to
selecting
topics
that
are
not
particularly
controversial,
is
there
anything
in
here
that
would
mandate
of
maybe
running
running
the
topic
by
people
who
have
been
in
this
part
of
our?
You
know
housing
area
for
a
very
long
time
and
maybe
have
the
institutional
knowledge
of
an
issue
that
was
brought
up
and
what
the
outcome
was
of
that
issue
and
perhaps
why
it
should
or
should
not
be
brought
up
again.
Is
that
part
of
the
process.
F
F
Mean
if,
if
asked
I
can
certainly
share
my
opinion,
there's
always
going
to
be
a
gray
area,
some
things.
If
they
have
come
up
in
the
community
discussions
before
and
there's
been
a
lot
of
conflict
over
it,
then
we
could
identify
that
as
probably
controversial
if,
if
it
hasn't
been
brought
up
before
or
if
it
is
a
topic
that,
on
the
surface,
does
not
appear
to
have
any
significant
trade-offs.
F
A
B
Think
it's
important
to
understand
yeah.
So
if
you're
gonna
submit
a
topic,
I
think
whatever
the
process
is
for
soliciting
staff
to
get
the
institutional
to
tap
into
their
institutional
knowledge
before
the
I
guess
before
the
board
adopts
it,
the
board
should
have
the
awareness
of
institutional
knowledge
that
exists
about
a
particular
topic
before
everyone
agrees
to
it.
A
B
Like
just
if
I
senior
citizens
is
a
great
one,
if
that
was
something
that
I
wanted
to
explore,
I
I
think
it
would
be
incumbent
on
me
to
ask
staff
what
knowledge
they
had
about
this
subject
and
and
as
it
relates
to
housing,
has
it
been
brought
up
before
in
the
city
and
in
any
kind
of
meaning,
so
that
we
were
informed
about
any
issues
that
might
come
up
and
it
may
influence
whether
or
not
the
board
wanted
to
adopt
that
particular
subject.
So.
A
A
Perfect
so
then,
that
friendly
amendment
goes
to
Adam
and
he
can
choose
to
accept
it
or
not
accepted
okay.
Is
there
any
other
discussion
points.
D
J
D
What
the
council
has
a
work
plan,
you
know
the
printed
2018-2019
work
plan,
and
so
we
were
talking
about
not
having
a
topic
on
anything
for
that,
because
it's
going
to
be
coming
to
us
like
alpha
and
Austin's,
going
to
be
coming
to
us
I
think
large
lots
going
to
be
coming
to
us.
Those
are
all
important
topics
that
we
all
really
care
about,
but
we
don't
need
to
have
a
separate
meeting
on
that
because
we
will
be
having
a
public
hearing
on
any
of
those.
So
that's
all
we
meant
us
to
not
duplicate
things.
J
A
J
So
it's
this
entire
process
to
address
topics
not
on
councils
work
plan.
Is
that
the
is
at
the
point,
and
why
can't
we
just
say
that
the
point
of
this
is
to
address
topics
outside
of
councils
work
plan.
Wouldn't
that
be
I
mean?
Wouldn't
it
just
be?
Can
we
say
it
easier
because
it
just
seems
awkward
to
me
so
when
I
read
it
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
what
you
want
to
do
and
I
want
to
help.
You
I
just
don't
know
what
you
want
to
do.
A
J
Me
explain
why
that
doesn't
work
for
exactly
the
reason
that
we're
having
this
discussion
now
I,
don't
know
how
to
do
that
in
what
constructively
would
be,
like
a
sequential
me,
a
serial
meeting
to
it
to
accomplish
that,
because
I
in
the
readability
until
I
had
the
context
of
this
discussion,
I,
don't
know
how
I
would
have
made
that
comment
at
all
absent
that
discussion,
because
I
read
this
I
read
the
materials
I
didn't
understand.
It
did.
J
Gonna
sit
through
three
hours
to
figure
out
what
a
one-page
memo
the
memo.
The
document
should
speak
for
itself.
I
should
be
able
to
pick
up
this
within
the
four
corners
of
the
page
and
I
would
expect
that
to
be
able
to
read
that
so
I'm
being
asked
to
read
a
document,
I
read
it
and
I
can't
come
to
any
conclusion
meaningful
to
what
that
really
means.
Even
to
comment
on
it.
So
I
appreciate
your
comment
about
getting
the
materials
early,
but
they
need
to
be
some
with
sufficient
background
and
context.
A
Would
in
those
situations
where
you
didnt,
you
know
in
those-
and
you
missed
the
last
meeting
and
didn't
have
the
context
in
it
and
and
granted
I'm
hearing
you
about
picking
up
the
document.
Would
it
have
helped
to
just
send
them
a
message
back?
It's
not
cereal
to
respond
back
to
this
and
have
because
we
had
set
it
up
so
that
you
could
send
something
to
Cory
and
just
say
sure:
I
don't
understand
this
letter
so
that
we're
prepared
then,
for
that
I
need
more
context,
or
this
doesn't
explain
to
me
something
go
ahead.
A
F
You
know
talk
to
the
draft
or
you
can
do
that
directly.
I
think,
even
though
it
may
not,
it
would
get
a
little
touchy
if
you
were
starting
to
try
and
develop
content
and
say
you
know,
I
talked
to
Adam
and
then
say
why
don't
you
check
with
Judy?
That's
that
then
triggers
a
serial
meeting,
but
for
context,
explanation,
I,
don't
think
you
would
run
afoul
of
it.
If
you
just
asked
one
person
we
can
check
with
Aaron.
If
that's
a
concern
and.
A
So
whatever
you
need
I'm
willing
to
help,
try
and
facilitate
that
we
just
need
to
try
and
put
something
in
place,
and
we
build
on
that.
Every
meeting
which
is
first,
we
asked
for
motions.
Then
we
asked
for
these
documents
beforehand
and
so
again,
whatever
we
can
do
to
get
to
a
point
where
we're
making
decisions
in
the
meetings
and
not
just
trying
to
wordsmith
every
draft
would
be
helpful.
A
D
No
point
of
information:
there's
the
friendly
amendment
is
on
the
table,
so
you
I
would
just
like
to
suggest.
You
may
want
to
consider
that,
since
it's
now
already
up
there
and
since
what
you
said,
the
changes
to
the
wording
is
now
up
there
that
you
modify
your
friendly
amendment
to
say
to
adopt
the
changes
that
are
up
there,
because
that
meets
your
doesn't.
J
J
What's
your
takeaway
from
this
of
what
we're
doing
it's
a
I
find
it's
not
uncommon
when
a
group
will
work
together
of
two
or
three
people,
they'll
come
up
with
something
that's
really
great,
but
didn't
show
it
to
someone
in
to
say
just
this
when
you
read
this,
what
what
do
you
come
away
with
because
I
had
a
tough
time
reading
it
mm-hmm
and
I,
and
I
and
I,
don't
know
how
to
I
mean
I
could
pick
up
the
phone
and
do
it.
But
at
some
point
it's
like
you
wanted
to
write
it.
J
G
A
I
can
speak
personally
that
I
and
Adam
can
attest
to
it.
I
redrafted
all
of
these,
because
they
were
so
convoluted
for
me
personally.
I
picked
him
up
and
couldn't
understand
them
and
then
and
Adam
can
also
attest
that
I
got
pissed
because
I
sent
all
these
read
drafts
and
then
they
got
redrafted
and
redrafted
again
and
still
work
on
the
convoluted
to
me.
A
So
the
struggle
I
have
is
that
when
people
do
put
these
out
and
there's
only
one
of
us
responding
or
and
they
don't
get
feedback,
and
then
we
get
to
this
spot
that
I
that
it's
it's
a
it's
a
juggernaut.
Does
that
make
sense?
It's
a
so
how
do
we
move
forward
as
a
board
in
a
constructive
way
where
people
feel
like
the
work
that
they're
doing
is
honored
and
I?
A
F
At
this
point,
I
think
there
is
a
bigger
discussion
to
have
about
meeting
preparation,
material
preparation.
What
formats
will
work
better,
that's
been
identified.
If
you
want
to
I
would
recommend.
Maybe
is
this?
You
know
close
enough
to
capture
enough
of
the
ideas
to
move
forward.
One
way
of
doing
that
is
to
I
think
as
Michael
just
did
to
say.
If
this
works
for
everyone
else,
I
can
move
forward
with
it.
F
A
F
H
K
A
K
A
A
D
D
Think
I'd
like
to
yes
I,
just
like
to
say
one
thing:
we
initially
started
out
with
a
750
word,
opinion
piece
and
we're
you're
restricted
in
the
daily
camera
by
the
number
of
words,
and
we
just
couldn't
do
it.
So
we
went
for
a
300
letter.
Just
turned
things
around,
took
the
two
people,
much
of
the
advice
from
two
people
who
gave
advice
and
just
shortened
it
down,
and
that's
why
it's
now
300
words
and
and
a
lot
shorter,
hopefully
tighter
moving.
A
J
H
A
We
have
some
process
issues
on
how
we
want
to
move
forward
on
this,
so
I
think
in
their
retreat.
We're
gonna
be
talking
about
process
and
we're
there's
a
few
things
on
that
agenda
that
we
should
all
take
some
time
and
really
think
about.
How
do
we
want
to
see
this
board
operate
and
function,
and
we
have
a
lot
of
information
in
front
of
us.
How
do
we
want
to
move
forward
with
it?
How
do
we
want
to
prepare
for
it?
What
do
we
ask
of
each
other?
A
So
when
we
come
to
these
meetings,
we're
actually
making
decisions,
and
it's
one
of
the
things
that
we
did
on
the
agenda
is
whether,
if
it's
informational,
no
decision
has
to
be
made.
We're
just
here
to
listen.
We're
gonna,
do
there's
comments
for
motions
that
will
be
put
out
there
if
a
decision
is
necessary
and
I
can
spend
time
with
either
one
of
you
or
both
of
you,
if
you'd
like
to
understand
how
we
got
to
where
we're
at
and
potentially
any
of
the
historical
of
for
context,
if
you
want
some
of
that
as
well.
A
B
With
these
documents,
I
I
read
through
everything
and
I,
probably
spent
about
two
hours,
editing
things
and
track
changes
and
I
sent
sent
it
back
to
Cori.
What
happened?
What
happens
then?
Who
sees
that?
Where,
who
does
it
go
to
who
adopts
the
changes
or
decides
not
to
include
them?
I
could
have
spent
more
time,
but
I
didn't
have
any
more
time
that
was
about
all
the
time
I
could
give,
but
I
would
have
I
do
a
lot
of
editing
in
my
work.
So.
A
So
what
we
had
agreed
to
was
that
we
agreed
to
a
process
where
it
was
going
to
go
back
to
Cory
and
Adam,
and
they
were
going
to
converge
the
documents
as
best
they
could
from
any
edits
that
any
of
us
had
sent
in
so
I
had
also
sent
in
a
ton
of
edits
and
Adam
had
done
them
and
I
think
you
came
in
right
after
me
with
doing
some
edits
as
well.
Yes,
Jeff
I
will.
F
Add
that
that
works
when
they're
non-substantive
edits,
so
if
it's
copy
editing,
if
the
meaning
stays
and
the
intent
of
the
board
doesn't
appear
to
change
that
works,
if
it
does
not,
then
it
would
have
to
come
back
to
the
whole
board
for
it,
because
you
cannot
make
substantive
decisions
without
a
proper
notice
to
the
public.
So
in
this
case
the
edits,
hopefully
were
I
assume
were
considered
to
be
copy
edits,
which,
if
you've
done
much
editing,
you
know
multiple
editors
have
different
ideas.
A
B
A
H
Ahead
Anna,
my
inclination
is,
if
you
are
very
interested
in
how
things
are
said,
that
you
would
get
on
the
engagement
committee
and
be
the
drafter,
because
me
personally,
I
don't
mind
so
much
how
the
words
come
out
so
long
as
they
do
so
I'm,
probably
very
amenable
to
whatever
anyone
would
come
up
with
if
they
were
on
the
engagement
committee.
Mm-Hmm.
J
Found
sometimes
in
communication
in
groups
in
writing
a
document
if
you
can
make
a
key
relatively
few
words,
make
a
bullet
point
key
outline,
and
then
people
agree
on
what
those
key
points
are
and
it
becomes
clear
even
though
there
might
be
a
little,
you
know
obtuse
or
maybe
a
little
excessively
direct.
Then
you
can
write
a
narrative
around
that
once
you
agree
on
those
key
points,
it
typically
makes
it
easier
and
the
the
writing
style
becomes.
A
I
do
think
it's
interesting
feedback
that
we
have
three
at
least
three
people
that
were
confused
by
the
document.
So
that
says
a
lot
to
it
like
if
we're
writing
putting
stuff
into
place.
That
historically
will
be
adopted
by
our
board
and
say
we
have
two
more
new
people
next
year.
If
they
pick
up
that
document
and
don't
understand
it,
and
we
have
to
go
back
and
explain
context
that
says
a
lot
I.
J
F
D
F
A
F
Know
there
were
a
couple
of
questions
about
the
location,
so
I'm
going
to
hand
off
to
Corey
for
that,
and
then
I
wondered
if
you
wanted
to,
we
assumed
that
you
were
sticking
to
the
agenda,
but
last
chance
to
change
it.
Basically,
if
there's
anything
that
came
since,
since
you
had
a
chance
to
talk
with
the
facilitator,
this
would
be
your
chance
to
change
it.
A
N
You
so
it's
at
the
diagonal
Court
community
room.
The
address
is
30
to
65
30th
Street
number,
seven,
it's
inside
of
the
parking
lot
where
the
old
Walmart
used
to
be
over
on
you
already
through
the
Walmart.
You
can
drive
in
off
of
28th
Street.
If
you
pull
in,
do
you
know
where
the
just
the
farm
is
the
door.
A
N
N
B
B
F
B
G
A
There's
two
facilitators
and
we
specifically
have
two
facilitators
in
case
going
forward
in
the
future.
If
one
is
unavailable
and
we
want
them
the
other
one
so
that
we're
doing
foundational
work
with
two
of
them
at
the
same
time,
so
that
they
could
trade
off
for
any
events
we
may
have
in
the
future,
and
then
they
had
come
up
with
kind
of
a
list
of
things.
But
then
they
talked
with
everybody,
and
this
is
what
they
came
up
with.
G
B
G
A
F
Only
put
this
on
because
of
the
rescheduling
yeah,
my
assumption
was
that
it
was
fine.
I
would
suggest
that,
unless
somebody
has
had
has
some
serious
reservations
that
given
especially
that
the
facilitator
isn't
here
to
explain
the
rationale
you
know
if
there
were
some.
This
is
the
last
chance
to
do
anything
about
it
essentially
and
with
two
new
members
joining
and
it
being
a
public
meeting.
Wouldn't
the
agenda
otherwise
wouldn't
be
in
front
of
the
public.
Maybe
I
made
the
maybe
we
should
have
just
run
with
it,
but
yeah.
A
And
I
guess
my
only
request
in
this,
because
we
only
have
three
three
hours:
three
and
a
half
hours
with
them
over
there,
that
it
also
be
something
that
every
like
I
sat
down
with
it
and
literally
wrote
stuff
under
each
one
of
them,
so
that
I
was
prepared
and
to
contribute.
So
I
would
just
request
that
you
really
think
it
through,
so
that
we
can
have
some
good,
strong,
meaty
discussions
if,
if
so
desired,.
A
H
H
A
We'll
open
it
for
discussion
I'll
give
a
little
context
of
what
we
were
talking
about
here
we
discussed
around.
We
do
an
annual
letter
right
now
to
City
Council
and
within
it,
we've
agreed
to
put
two
topics
that
we
feel
like
are
something
that
we
are
they're
requesting
a
nod
from
City
Council
to
work
on
it
and
put
on
our
work
plan
or
requesting
them
to
consider
for
their
work
plan,
and
since
so
many
things
are
moving
quickly
within
the
housing
realm
for
City
Council.
A
We
thought
that
it
would
be
something
we
could
consider
doing
by
annually.
So
June
would
be
when
we
would
do
a
second
letter
to
them
of
any
things
that
we've
sussed
out
in
the
first
six
months
of
the
year.
That
again
would
either
we'd
want
a
nod
to
on
the
second
half
of
the
work
plan,
or
we
would
want
them
to
consider
as
something
they
could
address
because
we're
seeing
how
fast
things
flip
like
without
pine,
balsam
and
other
things.
So
that's
the
framework
behind
a
second
biannual
letter.
Jeff
did
you
have
something?
F
Would
just
share
that
the
October
discussion
with
council
explicitly
talked
about
this
most
boards
and
commissions
do
not
provide
their
they're
provided
the
opportunity
in
December
to
provide
an
annual
letter
to
Council
at
that
October
discussion.
There
was
a
definite
openness
by
Council
to
receive
a
second
letter
from
the
housing
advisory
board.
Mid-Year
in
large
part
as
I.
Remember
that
discussion.
It
was
to
basically
what
ideas
on
the
table
to
say
this.
A
J
F
A
F
A
D
Else,
yes,
Judy,
so
so
now
we're
discussing
the
motion
right,
I
I'm,
definitely
in
favor
of
doing
two
a
year
and
doing
one
June
July.
Whenever
that
works
out
and
I
recall,
there
was
full
board
enthusiasm
for
doing
that.
I,
don't
recall
that
the
format
Abbott
of
it
was
decided
in
stone
or
that
we've
decided
to
do
to
talk
about
two
topics.
We
cared
about.
That's
what
we
did
last
letter
and
I
think
that's
still
open.
D
N
G
Thank
you,
I
suppose,
if
we
do
and
that
maybe
this
is
evidence,
but
if
we
do
adopt
the
twice
the
two
letters
a
year
I'm,
avoiding
my
annual
that
it's
I
almost
feel
like
we
may
want
to
make
it
an
optional
condition.
In
other
words,
I.
Don't
want
us
to
force
ourselves
into
putting
a
letter
out
if
we
don't
feel
it's
necessary
right.
So
just,
however
structured
I
can
see
some
years.
We
feel
like
it's
valuable
to
do
that
and
maybe
other
years
we'd
think
it's
not
valuable
to
do
it
so
I
don't
know.
G
Maybe
that
just
is
in
the
nature
of
this,
but
that'll
be
something
that
we
would
address
every
year
and
just
at
some
point,
probably
around
this
time
of
the
year
we'd
say:
do
we
want
to
do
this
letter
this
year?
Do
we
feel
like
there
are
topics
or
items
that
we
want
to
bring
the
council's
attention
to
mid-year,
so
I,
don't
know
how
that
works
and
I
mean
well.
A
The
motion-
that's
on
the
table
is
a
by
Armina
twice
a
year,
so
I
hear
you
on
that
and
we'll
just
vote
accordingly,
but,
like
anything,
I
think,
we've
already
agreed
as
a
board
that
if
it
doesn't
work
or
if
we
need
to
do
something,
then
we'd
vote
on
it
at
that
time.
Michael
do
you
feel,
like
you
need
to
say
some.
B
Only
comment
I
would
add,
as
if,
if
we're
voting
on
or
voting
on,
whether
or
not
the
second
letter
happens-
and
we
have
to
vote
on
that
if
the
content
is
undecided,
then
when
it
comes
time
to
write
a
second
letter,
if
that
were
approved,
and
we
would
say
we
have
no
addition,
we
have
nothing
to
report
at
this
time.
Work
is
in
progress
just.
A
A
Everybody
ready
for
a
vote
and
to
be
clear,
it
isn't
about
con
content
or
process
of
selecting
topics
which
I
don't
mind,
putting
something
together
for
our
next
meeting
to
help
decide
on
how
we'll
go
about
selecting
topics
and
potential
topics.
Does
that
make
sense
collecting
to
potential
topics?
Yes?
A
G
There
any
rationale
to
add
a
specific
date
to
this,
just
as
anybody
thinks
about
it.
In
other
words,
we
don't
have
a
definite
I
mean
we
I
think
are
all
making
an
assumption
that
this
is
in
June
right
and
should
we
just
add
that
date
to
this
to
say
that
it
would
be
a
June
letter,
or
should
we
leave
that
open
so
that
we
can
decide
to
make
it
at
any
point
in
the
year.
M
K
G
F
A
F
Again
at
my
apologies,
we
failed
to
get
this
in
the
packet
and
we
should
have
so
what
I've
done.
The
first
part
is
just
quotations
from
your
bylaws,
which
were
adopted
last
year,
saying:
what's
the
chairs
responsibility?
What's
the
Vice
Chair
and
together
they
comprise
the
agenda
committee
who
set
meeting
agendas
then
the
bylaws
also
talked.
This
is
the
language
exact
language
from
the
bylaws
about
how
you
elect
your
officers,
you'll
you'll,
see
it
doesn't
have
a
direct.
F
You
know
procedural
approach,
it
just
says
majority
of
the
board
go
ahead
and
do
it.
So
what
we
drafted
was
to
for
your
consideration
was
first,
a
supermajority
must
be
present
so
that
if
it's
just
a
quorum
of
four
you're
on
electing
your
officers,
that
there'd
be
a
determination
of
who's
interested
with
the
requirement
for
a
second.
So
at
least
two
people
have
to
be
in
support
of
a
nomination
for
it
to
be
considered.
F
A
A
little
context
on
that.
The
reason
why
that
gets
a
little
lengthy
towards
the
end
is
that
we
don't
end
up
with
just
a
flipping
of
the
coin,
which
is
possible.
I
can't
remember
what
it
was.
It
counsel
that
finished
the
flipping
with
the
board
or
with
the
coins.
Yes,
yes,
your
reason
why
we
kind
of
funneled
down
on
this
is
so
that
that
we
can
avoid
a
flip
of
the
coin.
F
F
Essentially,
if
you,
if
you
haven't
through
a
sequence
of
votes,
been
able
to
decide
the
tiebreaking
procedure
first,
if
you've
been
on
the
board
longer
you
go
ahead.
You
know,
there's
2/3
vote
recipients
whoever's
been
on
the
board.
Longer
becomes
the
officer
if
they've
served
the
same
amount
of
time
where
this
is
something
that
we
did
not
resolve.
Was
you
got
a
pick,
there's
a
person
who
is
served
before
preferential
or
the
person
who
hasn't
that's,
essentially
what
that
is,
and
then,
if
they
have
both
served
as
officers,
then
it
goes
into
more
specificity.
A
F
Well,
the
first
one.
Unless
you
want
to
change
it,
just
says:
if
you're
on
the
board
longer
you
get
the
but
you
you
win
the
election.
That's
the
tiebreaker!
If
two
people
have
each
served
for
three
years
and
they're
tied
in
votes,
do
you
want
to
become
the
officer
the
person
who
has
never
served
as
an
officer
or
the
person
who
has
served
as
an
officer.
F
D
J
A
F
H
A
F
A
F
F
The
city
has
several
master
plans
that
are
typically
run
for
five
years
or
so
the
two
direct
try
and
establish
the
priorities
for,
in
this
case,
resource
allocation,
and
they
go
through
extensive
public
process
and
as
a
new
board,
you
will
likely
be
get
multiple
requests
for
things
that
may
or
may
not
be
directly
related
to
housing,
but
certainly
have
an
indirect
current
connection.
Transportation
is
certainly
one
of
them.
Environmental
might
be
another.
F
You
know
there
could
be
a
variety
of
others,
but
in
this
case
one
of
the
things
that's
an
extra
believe
linked
with
transportation
is
where
people
live.
The
transportation
strategy's
goals
and
programs
could
be
something
that
you
would
want
to
consider
and
provide
input
on,
or
not
so
I'm.
In
said
that
we
had
the
opportunity
to
check
in
on
it.
The
timeline
is
the
next
four
months,
so
it
would
be
adding.
If
you
wanted
to
either
have
a
presentation
on
it.
F
We
would
have
to
get
it
in
fairly
soon
that,
particularly
if
that
meant,
you
would
want
to
have
some
influence.
There
are
a
couple
of
paths
that
were
possibilities,
there's
consideration
of
having
a
joint
board
meeting
like
Alpine
balsam,
like
some
of
the
other
projects
that
you've
heard
about.
So
that's
a
possibility,
but
not
a
guarantee.
F
The
staff,
the
other
option
would
be
to
schedule
some
time
at
one
of
your
meetings,
either
for
just
an
overview
or
potentially
going
straight
to
reacting
and
providing
input
to
to
the
master
plan,
as
it
will
be
going
to
council
later
this
year,
or
you
could
say
you
know
at
this
point:
our
hands
are
full
or
we
don't
see
the
linkages
as
being
that
important
thanks,
but
no
thanks.
So
why
don't
we
wanted
to
put
it
on
the
table
and
see
what
your
thoughts
were?
F
A
So
might
I
suggest
just
for
expediency
that
we
take
two
minutes
go
around.
You
can
say
whether
or
not
you're
interested
in
yes
or
no
you're
interested
in
it
and
then
whether
or
not
you
would
like
to
be
on
a
committee
or
have
it
be
presented
to
the
board
as
a
whole
say
you
were
saying
a
brief
and
then
that
way
we
could
offer
feedback
based
on
a
board.
Does
that
make
sense?
I'm
gonna
start
at
him.
H
G
Think
that
I
would
be
interested
in
having
an
informational
or
somehow
having
transportation
board
provide
us
with
an
overview
or
an
informational
kind
of
fill
in
first
of
where
they
stand.
What
they're
looking
at
particularly
and
look
for
some
of
those
linkages
and
then
beyond
that
I
think
what
Adam
is
suggesting
would
be
a
good
way
to
engage
with
it.
B
I'm
also
interested,
and
one
of
the
things
that
popped
in
my
mind
from
our
presentation
tonight,
is
that
the
statistic
that
a
lot
of
people
want
to
felt
it
was
important
to
live
in
Boulder,
and
we
don't
know
why.
They
feel
that
it's
important
is
it
because
they
have
poor
transportation
options
or
traffic
is
really
bad
commuting
in
and
would
with
the
better
transportation
options.
Would
their
problems
ease
up
a
little
bit
and
that
datum
that
number
shifting
and.
A
F
A
You
anything
else
from
them
stuff,
okay,
so
we
always
spend
the
last
like
ten
minutes,
just
debriefing.
If
there's
any
it's
a
great
time
to
clear
the
air,
if
you're
frustrated
about
anything
or
if
you
would
like
something
just
to
voice
anything.
So
just
opening
up
for
debrief
or
like
shock,
you
could
just
sigh
and
that.
A
You
know
yeah
well,
I,
think
it's
great
having
a
larger
board
and
it's
interesting
integrating,
especially
since
we're
also
so
new
and
figuring
out
the
process.
So
we
always
get
slightly
tense
around
this
process
thing
and
it's
it's
an
interesting
thing,
especially
chairing
it
to
try
and
find
a
way
where
the
people
that
are
moving,
something
through
are
honored
and
those
of
us
that
are
just
feeling
frustrated
about
how
it's
formed.
A
H
Hoping
that
someone
would
be
interested
in
maybe
be
Nam
and
on
a
committee
just
because
I
I
think
it's
worth
seeing
what
the
other
side
is
like
having
a
you
know,
present
this
stuff
to
the
board
and
I'm
Val.
You
everyone's
opinion,
I
think
that's
pretty
obvious
at
this
point,
but
it's
hard
like
it's
hard
to
get
it
to
where
everyone
can
agree
and
I
hope
we
can
continue
working
towards
that
cuz
I
like
it.
When
people
like
the
things
we
do
and.
F
The
second
part
of
this
calendar
check-
and
we
already
know
there
are
a
couple
absences
for
some
of
the
summer
meetings.
So
given
the
need
to
schedule
a
larger
group,
if
you
could,
please
take
a
look
at
your
calendars
and
email
Cory.
If
you
know
already
that
you
can't
make
any
meetings
or
if
you
are
tentative
for
any
of
them.
If,
if
you
have
a
quorum
problem,
obviously
you
won't
be
meeting.
F
A
F
In
the
event,
the
chair,
or
vice
chair
has
knowledge
that
a
regular
member
will
be
temporarily
unable
to
act
for
three
or
more
consecutive
meetings
owing
to
absence
from
the
city,
illness
interest
or
their
cause.
The
chair
may
appoint
a
replacement,
yes,
the
absent
members
placed
during
the
temporary
absence.
That's
not
removal,
though.
A
J
J
April
Norton
is
the
woman
that
runs
us
said
gee.
You
know
we
really
have
a
great
respect
here
for
a
boulder
and
we
borrowed
some
of
your
best
practices,
specifically
the
livability
standards
that
they
borrowed
and
I
bring
it
up,
because
we
oftentimes
hear
you
know
expressions
of
frustration
of
getting
things
done
here
and
things,
but
I
understand
from
a
brief
conversation,
I
had
with
Curt
fern
hopper
that
he
said
you
know
stuff
like
that,
comes
up
a
lot
that
people
borrow
what
we
do
in
Boulder,
other
communities
and
I
thought.