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A
D
E
C
Wanted
to
add
something
to
the
agenda
that
I
think
should
be
really
brief,
perhaps
and
I
sent
it
out
to
all
of
you.
I
hope
you
all
got
it
that
the
Community
Foundation
has
their
trends
report
out
and
they're
willing
to
come.
Talk
to
us
and
present
for
half
our
presentation
up
to
15
minutes
of
questions.
C
If
we
want
and
the
focus
this
year,
they
found
out
were
housing
challenges,
and
so
it
would
give
us
a
good
overview
of
what's
going
on
with
the
city,
with
a
special
focus
on
housing
in
this
city
and
county
and
I.
Just
think
it'd
be
tremendously
helpful
for
framing
our
conversations,
so
I
would
like
us
to
invite
them
either
next
month,
the
month
after
the
month
after
that,
okay.
A
A
A
D
Don't
know
that
I
would
consider
I,
know,
I,
wouldn't
consider
it
a
committee
report,
but
it
it
does
deal
with
our
regional
housing
is
doing
a
event
up
at
Cu
campus
all
day
on
Friday
called
squeezed
out,
and
it's
got
a
pretty
heavy
hitting
lineup
of
speakers.
So
if
you
go
to
see
you
squeezed
out
and
you'll,
see
the
lineup
if
you're
interested
in
attending
anything
at
the
regional
housing
advisory
board
plus
see
you
know
sorry
I
shouldn't
have
said
board.
The
regional
housing
group
within
our
housing
department
will
see
you
put
it
together.
A
A
Okay,
so
just
to
set
the
stage
here,
the
annual
letter
to
council
last
time
we
made
it
a
little
long,
so
we're
trying
to
make
it
a
little
bit
more
brief.
This
time,
two
ish
pages
maximum
and
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
tell
them
what
we
did
this
past
year
and
what
we
want
to
do
going
forward
next
year.
A
C
Sorry
I
want
to
get
something
on
paper
to
start
up
the
discussion,
so
I
put
some
things
up
there
that
I
thought
might
be
interesting.
However,
Juliet
called
me
today
and
she
had
been
reading
it
and
thinking
about
it
and
had
a
few
other
ideas
and
if
she
presents
her
ideas
in
the
same
way
that
she
did
on
the
phone
I
like
them
better
than
mine,
and
so
that's,
where
I'm
at
now
I'm
happy
to
have
some
of
those
be
the
points
or
to
go
to
Juliet's.
I
thought
were
really
good.
F
In
thinking
about
this
annual
letter
to
council
and
thinking
about
the
the
life
of
a
council
person,
the
life
of
a
council
person
is
very
intense.
Most
council
members
have
a
job
that
they
go
to
all
day
at
the
end
of
the
day
they
come
here
and
they
have
undoubtedly
spent
countless
hours,
reading
thousands
of
pages
of
packet
materials
to
prepare
for
their
meetings,
and
then
they
arrive
here
and
spend
another
five.
F
Six
seven,
sometimes
hours
deliberating
thinking,
listening
and
they're
pushed
into
making
decisions,
sometimes
very
late
into
the
night
and
I
would
submit
to
you
that
after
a
16-hour
day,
no
one's
got
laser-focused
decision-making
capability,
which
is
why
we
don't
allow
pilots
to
fly
that
long.
We
don't
want
truck
drivers
to
be
driving
that
long.
Why
should
we
be
asking
our
City
Council
to
be
making
decisions
that
are
critical
to
our
city
that
that
late
into
the
night?
F
One
of
the
goals
that
came
out
of
or
what
are
the
I
guess.
It
was
a
goal
that
came
out
of
this
year
was
that
the
city
was
going
to
focus
on
achieving
the
15
percent,
affordable
housing
goal
and
moving
the
needle
from
where
we
are
at
seven
and
a
half
percent.
So
with
that
a
goal
in
mind,
I
think
we
might
take
that
and
look
at
that
as
a
lens
for
how
we
work
through
our
plan
this
year
for
the
next
12
months
and
saying
everything
we
look
at.
F
F
But
my
notes
here
is
to
is
to
be
able
to
look
at
that
goal
in
a
way
that
we
can
really
measure
it
in
and
and
track
progress
towards
the
goal.
So
one
of
the
ways
that
we
can
better
measure
is,
for
example,
with
respect
to
housing,
is
to
understand,
for,
for
example,
our
60,000
in
commuters.
What
is
the
housing
requirement
that
these
60,000
in
commuters
have?
What
is
the
housing
type
preference?
F
F
We
understand
that
and-
and
we
can
talk
to
our
end
commuters
and
we
can
talk
to
our
existing
population
about
what
their
housing
needs
are
and
how
do
we
achieve
that
mix
and
we
can
lay
out
a
plan
or
how
are
we
going
to
get
to
that
mix
of
housing
and
incorporate
that
into
the
the
affordable
housing
goal?
So
I'd
like
to
be
a
little
bit
more
focused
on
collecting
information
and
data
that
we
can
make
decisions
on
and
instead
of
saying,
why
don't
we
try
this
pilot
or
why
don't
we
try
that
pilot?
F
We
don't
know
if
that
pilot
is
going
to
be
effective.
The
other
thing
is
I.
Think
about
the
poor
staff
supporting
this
council
and
this
board
is
that
if
they've
got
17
things
they've
got
to
work
on
and
they're
running
all
over
the
place,
trying
to
gather
data
and
trying
to
summarize
it
and
and
deliver
it
in
a
way.
That's
understandable
and
I
think
that
if
we
can
help
the
staff
focus
a
little
bit
more,
we
can
get
better
data.
F
It's
more
useful,
make
better
decisions
and
be
able
to
focus
on
very
targeted
goals
that
move
the
needle
going
forward.
So
that
was
my
thought
and
and
I
really
appreciate
that
Judy
took
the
time
to
think
about
things
that
we
could
propose,
and
so
I
called
her,
because
I
wanted
her
to
know
that
I
was
going
to
share
this
tonight
and
I
didn't
want
her
to
be
offended
that
or
blindsided
by
my
my
comments
or
to
not
value
her
work.
Thank.
C
So
I
also
think
it's
key
how
that
data
is
collected
and
the
questions
we
ask
there
been
a
lot
of
public
concern
about
how
that
data
is
collected.
What
questions
are
asked
so
part
of
what
what
the
specificity
that
I'm
interested
in
is.
Whatever
data
is
collected
that
there's
somebody
from
the
public
chiming
in
on
how
that
data
is
collected
and
to
whom
the
information
is
sought.
C
I
also
wanted
another
type
of
data
collection,
I'm,
very
interested
in
a
really
good
city
and
county
wide
salary
study
with
AMI
attached,
because
when
people
say
they
want
teachers
and
first
responders
and
city
staff
to
be
able
to
live
in
Boulder,
which
I
believe
there's
pretty
wide
agreement
on.
We
don't
really
know
anymore
what
that
means
financially
and
if
it's
even
viable
right
now
without
all
of
that
being
permanently
affordable.
C
So
I
just
want
to
see
a
really
good
data
study
of
that
again
with
ami
attached,
so
we
know
where
it
works
and
then
after
we
do
after
we
do
the
data
collection
that
we
then
start
having
really
good
public
engagement
to
discuss
what
kind
of
housing
here
are
the
facts:
what
kind
of
housing
do
we
as
a
community,
really
want
and
have
a
more
robust
public
engagement
process
on
that?
Okay,.
A
F
What
we
recommend
in
order
to
for
us
to
be
more
effective
in
my
belief,
is
that
we
gather
more
information
about
the
housing
demands
that
we
have
and
we
marry
that
we
try
to
understand
what
what
do
we?
What
do
we
want
the
city
to
look
like
from
a
demographic
mix?
Do
we
want
to
have
a
third,
a
third,
a
third
low
income,
middle
income
and
high
income?
F
Do
we
want
to
have
some
other
mix
and
we
need
to
first
understand
what
we
want
the
mix
to
look
like
and
then
what
the
desired
housing
preferences
are
for,
the
people
that
are
in
commuting
and
the
people
that
already
live
here
that
are
having
trouble
affording
to
live
here,
and
that
would
help
us
having
that
data
and
information
would
help
us
be
a
more
effective
in
terms
of
achieving
our
goal.
So,
yes,
we
need
to
ask
them
to
get
more
data
all
right.
D
So
there's
a
lot
of
questions
in
this
I
think
one
asking
have
asking
staff
what
it
is.
You
actually
already
are
collecting
on
this
and
if
you
know
the
information
that
she's
talking
about
and
to
to
be
very
clear,
we're
asking
then
in
our
letter
that
goes
to
City
Council
for
the
work
plan,
you're
saying
the
housing
Advisory
Board
is
requesting
city
staff.
Do
more
data
collection.
F
What
I'm
requesting
is
that
we?
What
our
recommendation
is,
is
that
we
frame
our
work
plan
around
more
more
grounded
information
about
housing
preferences
and
what
the
city
wants.
The
outcome
to
be
for
a
housing
distribute
for
our
housing,
distribution
and
I
would
like
to
play
a
part
our
board,
to
play
a
part
in
opposing
those
questions
and
gathering
that
date,
not
gathering
the
data
but
getting
very
specific
about
the
type
of
data
that
we're
looking
for.
F
D
G
G
H
F
I
I
thought
part
of
the
point
of
the
letter
was
to
say
this
is
what
we
would
like
to
work
on
next
year
and
we
would
like
you
to
include
factor
this
into
your
work.
Planner
we'd
like
to
have
this
factored
into
your
work
plan,
because
it's
something
that
we
believe
is
important.
I
thought
we're
recommending
on
what
our
work
plan
items
be
based
on
what
we
suggested
council,
because
they
will
trickle
down
to
us
but
I'm
a
new.
Remember
so
I
don't
really
know
how
this
works.
So
I
guess.
C
On
that
point,
I
saw
it
slightly
differently.
I
thought
that
what
we
could
be
doing
is
request
the
council
direct
staff
to
gather
more
data
on
this
information
and,
as
I
understand,
the
information
on
in
commuters.
It
didn't
include
some
questions
that
would
really
help
inform
that
it
didn't
include
if
you
could
move
to
Boulder
what
type
of
house
you
want,
because
really,
if
everyone
I
meet
just
anecdotally,
when
I
met
people,
we
each
had
someone
that
we
talked
to
recently.
C
C
Think
we
need
to
find
out
if
you
could
move
to
Boulder
questions
like
that:
I,
don't
think
it
drilled
down
and
as
far
as
salary
I've
tried
really
hard
and
I've
asked
City
Council
members
to
help
me
find
the
salary
studies
and
I
have
not
been
able
to
find
them
and
if
they
exist,
they
must
be
pretty
old,
because
I've
been
trying
for
a
year
and
a
half.
So
even.
A
E
City
Council
several
years
ago
hire
a
group
to
analyze
housing
and
the
in
commuter
and
all
that
stuff.
I
remember
coming
to
many
meetings
and
hearing
the
presentation
and
very
very
short
summary
was
we're
really
good
at
expensive
homes
and
we're
really
good
at
inclusionary
zoning.
You
know
whatever
it
is
MI,
but
were
bad
at
the
middle
right.
That
was
the
one
sentence,
summary
of
thousands
of
pieces
of
information
that
we're
gathered
right.
That
report
exists
somewhere
right.
Yes,.
I
So
that's
the
middle
income
housing
strategy,
so
that
was
an
outcome
of
the
housing
Boulder
effort.
So
just
a
little
more
context
in
terms
of
data
collection.
It's
the
city.
There
is
a
high
level
of
data
collection,
that's
done
for
the
city
of
Boulder
at
the
city
of
Boulder.
It's
something
where
our
elected
officials
expect
that
we
collect
this
data.
It
might
be
helpful
just
to
review
that
with
the
board
at
some
point,
so
housing
choice,
survey,
I,
think
it's
a
great
example.
I
I
You
know,
I
think
the
bed
you're
right,
a
lot
of
people
said
no
I,
don't
want
to
live
in
Boulder
I'd
rather
have
a
single-family
home
just
outside
of
Boulder
and
commute
in
other
people,
said:
I'd
love
to
live
in
Boulder,
but
I
need
more
than
a
small
condo
I
need
something
zoom
out
outdoor
open
space,
something
more
than
just
for
dogs.
Potentially,
you
know
a
play
area
for
kids.
I.
I
Don't
think
those
attitudes
have
changed
a
whole
lot
in
terms
of
the
question
about
you
know
what
is
the
income
distribution
in
Boulder
and
how
has
that
changed?
So
the
middle
income
housing
strategy
looked
at
okay
over
time
we
have
been
doing
very
well
at
retaining
sort
of
the
lower
income,
households
and
the
upper
income
households.
It's
really
that
middle,
so
the
middle
is
being
replaced
by
higher
income
households
and
we're
not
losing
families
necessarily,
but
we
are
definitely
losing
the
income
stratification.
I
So
there's
a
lot
of
information
out
there
and
it
might
be
helpful
for
the
group
to
review
that
and
as
well
and
I'll
talk
about
this
later.
The
Regional
Housing
Partnership
has
done
a
great
job
of
collecting
information
on
a
countywide
level
and
then
drills
down
specifically
to
the
cities-
and
you
know,
looks
at
okay.
What
is
the
income
of
different
occupations?
What
do
they
need
in
terms
of
living
here?
So
anyway?
That's
just
a
quick
overview.
We
could
delve
into
it
a
little
deeper
if
you
wanted
to,
but
there
has
been
a
lot.
I
D
C
E
That's
that
statement
right.
There
is
the
crux
of
our
entire
housing
issue
that
we
have
in
the
city
is
that
the
people
that
we
want
to
live
here
often
don't
make
enough
to
afford
to
be
able
to
live
here,
and
so
what
we
do
is
we
restrict
housing,
prices
and
III.
Think
it's
me
speaking
individually
that
a
lot
of
people
who
could
afford
the
restricted
housing
prices
I
live
in
a
restricted
appreciation
home.
E
They
would
rather
live
in
the
perimeter
areas,
peripheral
areas
and
have
their
home
appreciate
and
have
a
little
more
room
and
on
and
on
for
me
for
me
them
the
dad.
Is
there
right
whoa,
the
dad?
Is
there
it's
out
there?
The
question
is:
what
do
we
do
about
it
and
and
I
think?
Sometimes
the
answers
are
just.
E
That's
a
bad
thing.
Nobody
thinks
that's
good,
but
to
truly
solve
that
in
any
major
way.
We
would
need
to
create
what
three
people
per
house
20,000
houses.
I
mean.
You
know,
that's
just
not
gonna
happen.
You
know
under
no
way
that
that's
gonna
happen
and
what
kind
of
houses
in
what
size
and
what
those
people
want
and
I
mean.
There's
so
many
variables
that
go
into
all
this
information
that
we're
trying
to
gather
and
answer
these
questions,
and
then
we
have
the
information
and
then
what
do
we
do
about
it?
E
I
A
little
bit
more
context,
I'll
be
brief.
So
you
know
over
the
years
as
the
city
has
adopted
various
housing
goals.
You
know
there
has
been
a
sort
of
desire
to
segment
that
out
and
say:
okay.
Well,
our
goal
is
15%.
How
much
do
we
want
of
you
know
very
low
versus
low
versus
moderate,
and
you
know
I
think
there's
been
a
recognition.
I
That's
a
lot
of
what
we
do
in
terms
of
providing
affordable
housing
in
the
city
is
very
opportunistic,
so
as
opportunities
arise,
we
want
to
take
advantage
of
those
if
we
have
a
partner
who's
willing
to
put
forward
a
significant
amount
of
money
on
a
specific
site
and
they
see
a
specific
need.
We
want
to
be
able
to
encourage
that.
I
So
no,
so
we've
intentionally
stayed
away
from
having
specific
targets,
but
things
do
come
up
so,
like
the
middle-income
housing
strategy,
shine
the
spotlight
on
the
for
middle-income
housing,
permanent
supportive
housing,
how
do
we
transition
people
from
homelessness
into
homes?
So
those
two
are
sort
of
the
two
most
recent
priorities
at
the
city
in
terms
of
housing
and
then
we've
been
able
to
try
to
focus
our
resources
towards
those
I.
Don't
I,
don't
know
if
that
helps,
but
that's
just
a
little
bit
more
in
the
context.
Yes,.
J
And
I
appreciate
that,
because
I
think
that's
really
part
of
the
thing
here,
I
mean
we
started
off
with
that
whole
notion
of
trying
to
setting
a
nice
firm
goal
15%
and
how
do
we
get
there
once
we
started
delving
into
this
conversation,
we're
presupposing
a
lot
of
things
that,
yes,
we
want
teachers
we
want
first
responders
in
lieu
of
who
I
mean
where's
the
priority.
So
I
don't
know
where
the
priorities
are.
Maybe
that's.
One
of
the
things
we
can
ask
is:
where
do
you
want
us
to
focus
prioritize?
J
A
lot
of
what
I've
heard
here
outside
of
that
larger
subset
really
becomes
something
that
either
educational
sessions,
where
maybe
something
that
staff
can.
You
know,
figure
out
a
way
to
follow
us,
the
information
that
I
know
they
have
and
that
they,
you
know,
have
pretty
meticulously
and
stuff
and
I've
worked
with
BBC.
It's
not
as
I
do
a
really
good
job,
but
following
outside
information
and
having
these
listening
sessions
to
say,
okay,
if
you're
an
in
commuter
alright,
we
want
to
have
a
listening
session
rather
than
have.
J
J
So
for
every
person
who
says
I
want
a
single-family
house,
so
my
dogs
can
run
around
the
yard
and
fence
not
get
remember.
There's
people
who
say
I'd
love
to
live
in
the
condo
in
the
city
and
and
I
think
the
point
that
Jay
made,
which
is
that
you
know
a
housing,
particularly
a
community
like
this,
has
to
be
opportunistic,
which
means
you
know
we
have
our
our
goals
or
we
have
our
priorities,
which,
hopefully
you
know
that's
one
of
the
we
can
approach.
A
All
over
the
place
here
so
honestly,
we
haven't
had
this
process,
except
for
the
last
time
we
did.
This
was
almost
a
completely
different
group
of
people's
I,
really
like
looking
through
the
lens
of
the
15
percent
permanently
affordable
housing
goal.
Almost
all
of
us
voted
for
that.
Almost
all
of
us
think
that's
one
of
the
highest
priorities
of
the
city.
So
I
really
do
like
that
idea
of
looking
through
that
lens
and
trying
to
focus
what
we're
doing
on
that.
A
D
A
D
One
Judy
I
really
appreciated
what
you
put
together
and
thank
you
for
condensing
it
to
two
pages.
I
think
I
saw
where
you
were
going
to
it
the
same
thing,
and
it
was
interesting
because
bringing
up
the
data
and
this
different
lens,
Adam
and
I,
attended
the
bhp
meeting
due
to
a
couple
of
people
requesting
that
they
were
having
some
issues
through
bhp
and
I'm.
D
My
my
only
remedy
was
to
come
to
the
housing
board
that
evicted
me
with
my
complaint.
So
there's
no
Oversight
Committee,
so
I'm
curious.
What
an
oversight
piece
or
element
with
us
would
look
like
where
we
could
hear
people's
concerns
and
questions,
so
that
was
something
that
I
was
thinking
about,
especially
after
bhp
was
that
maybe
it's
a
separate
set
of
eyes.
D
Maybe
there's
a
committee
that
we
just
listened
if
people
bring
us
those
thoughts,
concerns
and
and
and
are
requesting,
oversight
that
it's
something
that
we
listen
to,
instead
of
when
we
very
first
formed
people
would
just
come,
and
we
really
didn't
know
how
to
take
the
information
or
what
to
do
with
it.
Next
so
again,
the
request
is
some
form
of
an
oversight
committee
where
maybe
a
couple
of
us
around
it
or
something
like
that.
I
also
agree
with
you.
D
Adam
the
listening
sessions,
I
think
are
our
mojo,
so
outside
of
what
the
city
is
telling
us
their
working
plan,
their
working
plan
is
for
us
and
focusing
us
I
think
getting
really
clear
and
what
you're
saying
what
I'm
hearing
from
you
Danny
is
that
if
we're
taking
that
lens-
and
we
say
that
an
issue
is
coming
down,
the
pike
like
we
see
the
council's
agenda,
we
can
set
up.
You
know
maybe
for
listening
sessions
through
the
through
the
year
or
maybe
there's
a
half
hour
listening
session.
D
We
get
so
good
at
these
that
they
become
a
half
hour
listening
session
with
every
meeting
or
something
like
that,
and
we
can
say
to
people
is
like
this.
Discussion
is
coming
up
on
Council,
so
the
month
before
we're
gonna
do
a
least
listening
session
and
see
if
there's
anything
we
could
get
together
and
our
recommendation
for
what
we're
hearing
from
the
people
that
goes
to
Council.
E
E
Do
next
year,
I
think
Judy's
outline
is
great
I
liked
a
lot
of
it.
I
would
emphasize
personally
on
the
first
two
items,
which
is
tiny
homes
and
large
lots.
I
think
those
two
go
together,
I
think
I
think
putting
more
tiny
homes
on
these
bigger
Lots
solves
a
lot
of
problems.
So
I
would
like
to
emphasize
those
two
things
out
of
what
Judy
put
up
there,
but
I
would
think
what
you
did
is
great.
Thank.
F
A
Again,
I
really
do
like
the
looking
through
the
lens
I
think
it's
councils
job
to
sort
of
put
the
projects
on
the
plate
that
are
going
to
get
us
to
the
15%
prime,
affordable
housing
goals.
So
our
part
in
that
is
continuing
what
we
have
been
doing
and
weighing
in
on
those
projects.
Considering
the
facts
that
you
know
what
we
say
to
those
projects
may
determine
how
much
those
percentages
end
up
being
and
how
much
they
ultimately
add
to
the
permanently
affordable
housing
goal.
I.
A
A
Again,
I
think
that's
been
our
biggest
value,
add
as
a
board,
because
council
doesn't
have
time
to
focus
on
a
lot
of
the
details
and
a
lot
of
things
that
fall
through
and
while
they
hear
a
lot
of
resident
concerns,
you
know
if
they,
if
people,
that
the
housing
board
was
here
for
specifically
their
housing
issues,
and
that
we
could
learn
and
reach
out
to
specific
groups
to
hear
things
that
you
know,
council
will
never
hear,
because
they
don't
have
that
time
to
reach
out
I.
Think
that's
our
biggest
value
add.
A
G
G
G
Kind
of
the
congratulating
Council
for
progress
so
far
number
two
was
the
2a
was
pilot
project
for
tiny
homes.
I
like
that
I
would
like
to
see
us
consider
a
broader
scope
of
a
pilot
project.
In
other
words,
there
are
other
opportunities,
besides
tiny
homes
that
may
come
up,
that
offer
a
significant
community
benefit
and
if
there's
some
way
to
get
the
city
process,
let's
say
short
tracked
our
fast-tracked
for
projects
that
are
of
a
small
scope
and
are
showing
significant
community
benefit
in
affordable
housing.
G
Then
I
think
that
could
be
something
that
would
be
really
worthwhile.
There
are
ideas,
you
know
we're
testing
them
out
on
Alpine
balsam
on
a
huge
scale,
when
what
we
could
be
doing
is
saying:
oh
here's,
one
one
block
or
half
of
a
let's
see
how
this
concept
works.
So
I
like
the
idea
of
a
pilot
project,
but
I
think
that
the
scope,
ideally,
if
we
looked
at
it,
could
be
more
broad
than
just
tiny
homes.
G
But
again
that's
a
more
broad
discussion
that
has
to
do
with
zoning
in
general
and
I.
Don't
know
that
you
know
it's
gonna,
be
an
independent
variable
so
to
speak,
expanding
sub,
Community,
Planning
Judy.
My
concern
was
just
that
I,
don't
know
how
staff
would
possibly
manage
that
load.
You
know
was
my
only
thought
about
it.
It's
like
I
agree
and
again
it
comes
back
to
maybe
a
broader
citywide
zoning
assessment.
G
G
Working
with
the
state
I
had
a
question
actually
and
I
think
Jay
you
may
have.
We
may
have
talked
to
this
a
little
bit
at
the
agenda
meeting,
but
the
city
already
has
some
form
of
organization
around
the
legislative
agenda
for
the
state
right.
But
the
city's
saying
okay
here,
the
things
that
we're
looking
at
is
that
correct,
yeah.
I
But
just
a
little
bit
more
I
mean
there
is
a
desire
to
have
have
take
a
more
active
role
in
advocating
for
a
housing
agenda
at
the
legislature
and
that's
something
that
we
would
talk
about.
In
probably
February
having
a
housing.
Colorado
executive
director
come
and
talk
about
their
agenda
for
housing
for
the
upcoming
legislative
session
and
how
AB
can
help
advocate.
G
That
we
can
educate,
okay,
cuz
I.
Do
think
that
that's
a
super
important
item
as
far
as
affordable
housing
is
concerned,
right
now
on
the
state
level,
so
yeah,
if
there's
some
way
that
we
could
get
engaged
with
that
I
think
that's
a
worthy
one
too.
To
say:
can
we
have
that
on
our
work
plan,
or
how
do
we
do
that
engagement?
What
would
that
look
like?
What's
that
well,
yeah
out
of
some
degree,
I
suppose
if
we
express
from
our
side
and
interest
in
it,
it's
valuable.
G
A
G
We
could
so
the
role
that
I
would
see
yeah
well,
the
role
for
half
that
I
would
see
in
that
is
along
the
lines
of
listening
sessions,
okay
and
then
along
the
lines
of
actually
doing
the
research
to
say
we're.
Looking
at
these
aspects,
for
instance,
when
the
city
says
you
got
to
have
1.75
kilowatts
to
meet
your
energy
requirements.
Well,
that's
an
ROI
that
never
gets
returned
it's!
G
You
know
it's
so
expensive
to
put
1.75
kilowatts
to
find
other
ways
to
offset
or
do
other
things
that
don't
impact
the
cost,
because
when
you
take
a
middle-income
family
and
you
had
$20,000
to
the
cost
of
their
tiny
remodel
it's
game
over
then
I've
talked
to
three
clients
in
the
last
three
years.
At
least
who've
said
we're
moving
we're
out
of
here.
G
G
G
First
right
of
refusal
and
that
one
is
simply
identifying
property
as
much
as
we
have
done
over
the
years
with
open
space,
we've
had
a
very
robust
program
to
go
out
and
say
ding-ding-ding-ding-ding.
These
are
all
properties
they're,
privately
owned.
They
may
be
available
at
some
point.
We
need
to
be
forward-thinking
and
looking
at
them
and
I
don't
know
J.
You
may
have
an
answer
for
how
well
that's
been
done
so
far
with
with
housing
properties,
I.
I
Would
say:
Boulder
housing
partners
is
extremely
active
in
identifying
properties
to
purchase
they're
constantly
looking
at
what's
on
the
market.
What's
coming
up
in
the
market
a
lot
of
times,
they're
approached
by
property
owners
in
Boulder
who
are
interested
and
offering
that
the
problem
is,
they
often
can't
compete
with
you
know
cash
offers
from
other
buyers,
but
you
know
it's
definitely
something
that
is
on
their
radar
and
we
say
definitely
encourages
that.
There's
lots
of
efforts
to
identify
sort
of
properties
owned
by
the
city
and
the
county.
I
You
know
public
land
that
would
be
appropriate
for
affordable
housing.
It's
challenging
I
mean
there's
a
reason
why
those
properties
haven't
been
developed
over
time
either
they're
in
a
floodplain,
or
they
just
have
a
lot
of
issues
associated
with
them
yeah.
But
that's
something
that
we
constantly
look.
G
C
Also
like
to
add
to
that
particular
point
that
I've
called
Laura
Laura
Scheinman
miss
ed
her
name
before,
and
she
is
like
so
on
that
and
I
told
her
of
a
property
that
I
knew
that
was
going
to
become
available
and
she
called
me
right
back
and
she
said
they're
doing
it
off
market.
They
won't.
Let
us
enter
into
it
and
I
mean
she
is
like
all
over
that
particular
piece.
C
You
know
I,
remember
crystal
telling
us
at
a
meeting
that
every
year
City
Council
gives
four
or
five
things,
probably
not
more
than
four
or
five
things.
I
think
she
said
that
that
they
would
like
council
to
put
in
their
work
plan,
and
it's
taken
several
years
for
some
of
them
to
get
on
the
council's
work
plan,
but
they
just
keep
trying
with
things
that
they
think
are
important.
So
council
will
certainly
make
the
decision
on
what
they
want
to
put
on
their
work
plan
or
not
I.
C
The
one
thing
we'd
have
to
talk
through
is
not
only
do
we
want
people
to
be
heard,
but
then
is
there
something
that
board
can
tangibly
do
after
that
to
help
the
person
a
little
bit
because
being
heard
is
one
thing
but
and
that
vents
their
frustration
somewhat.
But
can
we
actually
then
do
we
want
to
try
and
connect
them
to
the
right
city,
staff,
person
or
whatever
I?
Just
think?
C
That's
something
to
talk
about,
but
I
think
both
of
those
things
are
good
for
what
we're
doing,
for
what
we're
asking
is
a
completely
different
subject,
and
they
will.
They
will
pick
it's
like
when
you
go
into
a
buffet
and
we're
the
ones
setting
the
table
for
the
buffet
and
they're
the
ones,
picking
what
they
want
to
select
to
eat.
So
I
think
if
we
have
four
or
five
things,
I,
don't
think
that's
gonna,
be
too
many
and
I
just
wanted
to
speak
to
the
four
or
five
I
have
as
long
as
I
had
them.
C
There
I
like
the
idea
of
a
pilot
project
for
tiny
homes
or
other
new
ideas
on
a
small
scale.
You
know
changing
it.
The
way
you
suggested
revisiting
the
large
lot
discussion.
The
only
reason
I
put
that
on
there
is
the
large
lot
discussion
came
from
neighbors,
requesting
that
there
not
be
so
many
McMansion
scrapes
and
somehow
that
subject
seems
to
transmogrify
into.
Should
there
be
more?
C
The
reason
why
I'm
interested
in
sub
Community
Planning
is,
although
it
definitely
would
take
more
staff
time
I,
think
it
would
ease
their
life
and
pull
them
off
of
other
projects
that
are
consuming
so
much
staff
time,
community
time
and
council
time,
because
the
same
issues
keep
coming
up
over
and
over
and
over
again
and
I.
Think
it's
fair
to
say
to
each
sub
community.
C
You
have
to
do
your
part
for
permanently
affordable
housing
either
you
have
to
demonstrate
that
your
neighborhood
already
has
15%
affordable
housing
in
your
neighborhood,
or
you
have
to
come
up
with
ideas
for
it
that
works
for
you
and
I.
Think
you
settle
that
that
whole
discussion
in
a
much
more
coherent
way
and
take
the
pressure
off
all
these
continual
fights
over
and
over
and
over.
So
that's
why
I
like
sub
community
planning
and
the
tax
incentive
thing?
C
Definitely
there
is
a
there
is
a
committee
that
works
on
that,
but
I
I
think
if
we
put
our
recommendation
that
we
think
that's
really
important,
perhaps
that'll
give
them
extra
incentive
and
preserving
existing
housing
stock.
Again,
that's
something
that
I
think
the
city
is
trying
to
do,
but
if
we
again
emphasize
that
that's
really
important
and
then
the
support
for
renters
I
just
think
that
50%
of
residents
in
the
city
are
renters
approximately
and
we
should
we
should
mention
some
considerations
for
them.
What's
all.
J
You
know
it's
nice
to
have
have
that
already
disseminated
forum,
so
I
really
think
that's
an
important
thing
and
I
think
the
whole
notion
of
letting
them
know
that
we
really
want
to
try
to
focus
on
those
this
year
and
we
think
it
can
be
an
effective
thing.
We
want
to
collaborate
with
the
council
and
conducting
those
listens
listening
sessions.
J
So
that
like,
if
there
is
a
big
issue
that
they're
going
to
be
considering
basing
like
you
said
that
we
can
kind
of
get
a
jump
on
that
forum
going
through
the
the
list
that
we
have
here.
I
think
the
list
is
really
good.
I,
like
the
idea
of
expanding
the
notion
of
a
pilot
project
but
I
think
that
can
be
very
effective
and
I'm
very
supportive
of
that.
J
The
the
large
lots
it
just
it
seems
to
me
from
kind
of
the
outside,
looking
in
being
new
again
that
it
is
kind
of
a
sticky
subject
and
I,
don't
know
if
the
town
the
council
is
gonna
want
to
hear
from
us
that
you
know
will
reopen
that
you
know
can
of
worms
and
so
I'm
not
really
sure
about
that
one
of
them
a
little
more
look
more
about
that
one
I'm
I'm!
Sorry,
a
little
cynical
to
the
whole
notion
of
the
sub
community
planning,
because
I
think
what
happens
with
that
is.
J
It
becomes
an
incredible
almost
on
staff
to
try
to
do
all
that
slow
community
planning
and
when
push
comes
to
shove,
it
still
becomes
layers
and
layers
of
essentially
master
plan
and
you're.
Still
looking
at
things
from
the
you
know,
the
overall
global
level,
even
no
matter
what
you
have
dialed
down
to
the
sub
community
and
so
I
think
that's
a
very
big
work
task
to
ask,
or
to
present
there
and
so
I'm
a
little
reluctant
on
that
one.
J
So
not
just
tax
incentives,
but
everything
else
and
the
thing
that
I
point
out
I'd
like
to
see
some
sort
of
mention
here
and
you
know
of
all
the
meetings
that
have
been
we've
had
some
comments
that
the
majority
of
them
from
people
who
live
and
mobile
home
communities,
which
is
a
very
touchy
subject,
but
that
woman
came
and
spoke
from
Cu
law
last
time
around,
and
that
was
regarding
an
issue
of
the
state.
That
was
a
matter
of
pretty
grave
concern
and
I.
J
Think
that's
a
great
example
of
that
is
housing
right
now,
and
there
are
people
who
have
made
their
lives
there
and
I
think
it's
incumbent
upon
us
to
be
able
to
relay
those
things
and
say
that's
part
of
what
we
want
to
do
and
that's
part
of
what
we'd
like
to
see.
Maybe
some
direct
reference
to
that
particular
point,
or
at
least
to
saying
how
can
we
do
that
to
be
an
advocate?
I
think
is
really
important.
J
Preserve
an
existing
housing
stock
seems
really
really
daunting
to
me.
I'm,
not
sure
how
to
do
that.
One
so
well
I'm
that
that's
the
other
one
that
I'm
kind
of
reluctant
on
the
list
here.
Everything
else,
I'm
really
in
supportive
I,
think
the
whole
notion
of
having
some
sort
of
Clearing,
House,
there's
some
sort
of
process
for
renters
is
absolutely
something
that
we
can
be
doing
and
the
point
you
made
the
excellent
point
in
here
that
we're
talking
about
half
of
the
populace
and
and
that
it's
really
something
that
we
need
to
focus
on
here.
J
So
in
terms
of
all
that,
those
those
are
the
my
feelings
on
that.
You
know
in
terms
of
what
I
throw
into
the
area
that
you
know,
I
think
this
whole
notion
we've
talked
about
it
pretty
much.
Every
meeting
since
I've
been
here
in
the
whole
notion
that
there
is
some
ability
to
either
expedite
a
process
or
have
something
that's
a
little
less
discretionary
of
process.
If
somebody's
coming
in
and
trying
to
provide
the
type
of
housing
that
we're
looking
for
and
maybe
the
solution
session
I,
don't
know
what
it
is.
J
I,
don't
know
how
we
want
to
articulate
it,
but
I
really
do
think
it's
that
and
it's
the
middle-income
families
that
really
do
feel
the
squeeze
of
that,
because
all
those
incremental
costs
of
the
process
and
the
timing
of
the
process
really
come
to
bear
with
them.
You
know
if
you're
building
a
high
end
project,
you
can
go
through
it,
you
can
roll
through
it
because
you
know
what's
waiting
there
on
the
other
end.
J
So
I
really
think
that
if
we're
talking
about
how
we're
gonna
facilitate
these
things,
that's
something
that
we
need
to
tackle
sooner
rather
than
later.
The
last
thing
that
I
have
is
just
from
from
my
own
thoughts
and
impressions
in
here.
You
know
we're
talking
a
lot
about
the
end,
commuters
and
stuff,
so
I
just
use
the
school
district.
J
As
an
example
is
what
can
we
do
to
collaborate
with
employers
to
say
what's
worked
together
as
a
municipality
and
as
those
employers,
whether
they
be
another
institution
like
the
school
district
or
whether
they
be
a
large
employer
to
try
to
work
on
that
housing
issue
for
in
commuters
and
for
your
employees?
So,
for
instance,
I
mean,
for
example,
a
school
district
I
think
it's
absolutely
appropriate.
It's
it's
legally
defensible
for
a
school
district
to
focus
on
utilizing
general
fund
monies
or
what
other
other.
J
You
know
plenty
of
other
type
of
revenues
capital
fund
to
try
to
say
you
know
we
want
to
try
to
figure
out
what
we
can
do
to
help
augment
the
housing
opportunities
for
our
staff,
and
so
that's
the
one
thing
that
I'm
throwing
there.
There
is
an
addition:
how
do
we
collaborate
with
different
institutions
and
different
employers
to
help
solve
this
problem?
J
Because
that's
really
going
to
be
something
where
any
help
we
can
get
and
that's
something
where
you
know:
let
them
take
the
burden
on
to
because
those
people
are
coming
in
and
providing
that
service
to
the
employer,
and
that
can
be
one
way
that
the
employer
even
provides
compensation.
That's
my
only
thought:
I
love
the
letter
I
like
the
structure,
I,
say
the
15%
as
an
overarching
thing
and
then
looks
good
and
I
think
we
could
do
that
in
two
pages,
more
or
less.
Depending
on
what
file
we
use.
A
A
On
the
table,
I
think
we
just
have
to
do
straw
holes
in
order
to
see
where
the
few
areas
of
greatest
interest
across
the
board
are
keep
in
mind.
Everyone
can
still
email
or
talk
to
council
members
on
their
own
behalf
about
what
their
personal
suggestions
are
to
the
council
work
plan
next
year,
but
we're
trying
to
make
decisions
as
a
full
board
about
what
we
can
focus
on
and
what
we
can
actually
accomplish
and
what
we
think
it's
most
important
for
council
to
accomplish.
So,
yes,
so.
C
A
A
D
H
D
C
A
A
G
G
A
D
A
D
May
I
make
a
comment?
Yes,
so
after
reading
your
letter,
just
so
that
we
have
a
minor
update
and
you're
aware
of
the
fact
that
Holly
Rogan
was
talking
about
the
fact
that
liens
in
December
passed,
tiny
homes
is
a
to
use,
but
literally
nobody
applied
for
the
plan,
so
they
have
opened
it
up
for
the
entire
city
for
tiny
homes
because
they
were
gonna
start
with
just
12
and
kind
of
like
our
ATU
things
is
that
nobody's
knocking
down
the
door
to
run
and
put
them
up.
D
It's
the
same
thing
there
so
they've
just
expanded
their
pilot
program
to
include
the
entire
city.
So
I
like
the
idea
of
what
you're
talking
about
talk
about.
Maybe
it's
more
than
just
this
tiny
house
pilot
to
me.
It
seems
like
it
would
be
an
easy
goal
as
well.
If
we
said
the
tiny
house
is
because
I
think
if
we
collect
the
information
that
Lyons
has
coupled
with
some
of
our
ATU
numbers
that
are
probably
coming
through
now,
we
might
be
able
to
form
a
request
by
our
mid
June
July
letter.
So.
C
So
we're
not
comfortable
just
saying
tiny,
home
or
other
creative
small
project.
You
wanted
as
two
separate
things.
Okay
and
I
also
want
to
mention.
Besides
liens
longmont
is
in
the
price
of
doing
one
tiny
homes
for
veterans
and
they're
quite
far
along
with
it,
and
they
have
a
lot
of
information.
Yep
cool.
I
Adam,
yes,
if
I'm,
if
I
might
you
may
so
tiny
homes
has
been
on
a
councils
work
plan
for
many
many
years,
I.
Think
part
of
the
problem
that
this
is
just
my
personal
observation.
It's
not
very
well
defined.
Everybody
has
a
very
different
conception
of
what
a
tiny
home
is
so
like.
Is
it
a
house
on
wheels?
Is
it
on
fixed
foundation?
I
I
D
I
think
what
we're
talking
about
when
we
do
this
as
well,
is
as
an
advisory
board
and
taking
off
of
one
of
the
things
of
the
hundred
things
that
City
Council
would
have.
Is
that
that's
the
stuff
we
would
dive
into
the
question
of
what
does
that
look
like
like?
We
could
go
right
away
and
look
at
liens
what
how
did
they
define
it,
however
other
communities
to
find
it?
D
What
do
we
see
the
biggest
need
of
it's
always,
of
course,
the
social
cause
going
through
with
the
vets
or
homeless
is
going
to
make
it
more
palatable
to
some,
then
simply
going
you
know,
like
Lions
was
able
to
move
it
forward
due
to
the
flooding.
But
you
know
those
are
the
questions.
I
think
we,
as
a
group
start
to
talk
about
and
see
if
we
can
form
a
consensus
for
a
recommendation
and.
C
I'm
not
sure
I
wanted
to
find
it
any
more
narrowly
than
tiny
homes,
because
I
don't
want
it
to
go.
Oh
if
they
only
would
have
said
tiny
homes
for
veterans
instead
of
tiny
homes
for
homeless.
We
would
have
done
it
for
sure.
It's
like
to
me.
That's
council
can
look
into
that.
I
just
want
to
say
that
we
have
an
interest
in
trying
out
a
pilot
project
for
tiny
homes
and
and
and
they
they
can
work
where
they
can
toss
it
back
to
us
and
say
define
it
better.
Maybe
it's.
D
C
Yes,
I
think
if
we
say
it
the
way
you
suggested,
then
it's
not
in
a
recommendation
to
council,
that's
something
we
might
want
to
look
into
that.
We,
of
course,
can
look
into
if
we
want
to,
if
we're,
asking
Council
to
to
direct
staff,
to
bring
them
information
about
tiny
home
projects,
and
then
council
debate
it.
If
we
say
this
is
something
we
want
to
look
into
that
should
go.
We
should
vote
on
that
for
the
upper
part
of
the
letter.
Not
this
I
understand
that
so.
A
D
F
You
why
don't
we
take
it
off
and
put
it
down
as
a
listening
session
so
that
we
can
get
a
lot
of
input
about
what
a
tiny
home
is
with
upsides
and
the
downsides
and
where
they're
best
applied.
And
then
we
can
get
really
good
information
from
a
lot
of
different
sources
and
take
and
inform
ourselves
and
how
we
might
want
to
recommend
moving
forward
with
that.
I
think.
A
C
My
point
I
want
to
make
the
council
makes
up
their
work
plan
for
two
years
at
a
time
it
seems,
and
then
the
second
year
they
just
maybe
modify
a
little
bit.
So
if
there's
things
we're
really
interested
in
like
tiny
homes
which
almost
made
it
to
their
work
plan
last
time,
but
didn't
quite
get
there,
it's
not
likely
to
get
there
in
this
two-year
cycle.
C
A
A
A
C
A
C
I
really
like
that
to
be
recommendation
that
they
that
they
ramp
up
their
efforts.
You
said
I
thought
you
said
once
that
when
that
came
up
for
the
state
mm-hmm,
no
matter
what
the
committee
who
works
on
that
with
Council,
nobody
went
down
there
to
do
it,
and
so,
and
so
I'd
like
to
make
clear
that
we
would
like
that
to
be
on
their
work
plan
working.
You
know
we're
suggesting
or
requesting
that
they
are
more
vigorous
in
working
with
the
state
about
housing
issues.
Okay,.
A
D
A
C
A
C
There's
some
way
that
we
should
emphasize
my
wish
was
that
we
emphasize
that
fifty
percent
of
our
population
of
our
residents
are
renters
and
what
are
you?
Your
mic
just
allow?
50
percent
of
our
population
are
renters
and,
and
we'd
like
to
see
counsel
focus
some
attention
on
them,
something
as
simple
as
we.
F
I
G
Think
that,
maybe
not
directly
in
that
manner
as
far
as
the
population
mix
goes,
but
I
do
think
that
I
mean
I,
don't
think
we're
gonna
put
it
on
the
on
the
ladder,
but
the
question
is
really:
what
are
we
doing?
Are
we
still
on
danishes
1%,
or
are
we
changing
that
and
going
forward
as
of
town,
considering
where
we
stand
right
now
with
jobs,
housing,
balance,
etc,
etc?
You
know
that's
a
big
discussion,
so
I
don't
yeah.
G
D
I
hear
you
saying
that
do
I
hear,
what's
being
said,
is
we
want
council
to
decide
if
our
doors
are
closed,
they're
open?
Because
that's
what
I'm
hearing
like
I'm
hearing?
If
we
decide
if
we
ask
them
to
decide
what
the
makeup
of
the
population
is,
are
we
saying
we
want
20
percent
black?
We
want
20
percent,
wait.
We
want
20
percent
I,
don't
understand
how
we
asked
council
to
define
what
the
makeup
of
our
population
looks
like
this
I
mean
I
feel
little.
F
F
So
what
portion
of
the
middle
income
do
we
want
to
see
living
in
our
city?
Do
we
want
it
equally
distributed
among
the
other,
socioeconomics
I
mean.
So
if,
if
we
don't
even
know
what
that
is
what
that
percentage
is,
and
how
can
we
possibly
help
push
housing
initiatives
that
are
going
to
attract
that
middle-income
population
and
allow
them
to
live
here
Jay?
Do
we
have
goals.
D
H
I
Mean
your
point
is
well-taken.
Is
you
know
how
do
we
benchmark?
That
I
mean
it's
a
bit
challenging
to
define
exactly
what
is
that
percentage?
I
think
the
way
the
city
has
looked
at
the
middle
income?
Is
we
don't
want
to
lose
any
more?
Ideally,
we
would
gain
some
ground
back,
but
there
are
much
larger
market
forces
at
play
here
in
terms
of
the
middle
class
all
across
the
US,
and
it's
really
difficult
to
try
to
you
know
deal
with
that
at
the
local
level,
although
it
doesn't
mean
we
shouldn't
try
I
just.
F
I
Another
example,
so
you
know
we,
the
middle-income
strategy
comes
out
and
we
adopt
a
more
robust
goal
for
middle
income.
We
also
did
the
inclusionary
housing
update
project
in
2018
and
that
and
we
included
incentives
so
for
smaller
projects,
20
or
less
units.
If
you
put
all
those
units
on
site,
they
can
all
be
middle
income.
So
that's
an
incentive
for
a
developer
to
provide
that
middle-income
housing.
We
have
ratcheted
up
the
middle
income
requirement
for
annexations
as
a
result
of
the
strategy.
There
are
other
I.h
incentives,
so
basically
the
percentage
can
switch.
I
A
F
A
C
A
G
The
city
of
Boulder
look
at
developing
a
pilot
project
for
housing
that
provides
a
community
benefit
in
the
sense
of
affordable
housing.
So
any
kind
of
project
doesn't
matter
what
it
is,
but
if
it
can
suggest
I'm
looking
at
small
scope
projects
defined
as
that's
why
it's
called
a
pilot
project,
so
any
housing
project
that
will
provide
a
significant.
E
E
G
I
would
I
would
be
I
mean
this
would
be
a
part
of
looking
at
what
this
is,
but
I
would
say
that
it's
something
that
is
a
specific
kind
of
style
or
effort
at
development.
It's
not
just.
Oh
I'm
gonna
develop
an
affordable
housing
project
with
five
units
but,
for
instance,
the
discussion
of
winter
streets
and
carload
low
car
density,
neighborhood
or
spaces
that
type
of
a
project.
D
J
is
did
plenty
bored
do
something
similar
to
this.
Just
now
like
within
the
last
two
meetings,
similar
maker,
similar
requests
that
the
city
consider
fast
tracking,
affordable
housing.
If
somebody
had
a
certain
percentage
of
a
plan
or
is
it
coming
because
I
feel
like
there's
a
conversation
occurring
right
now
about
this.
I
I
That
you
can
take
advantage
of
the
additional
height
yeah,
I,
haven't
seen
Planning
Board's
a
letter
to
council,
so
I'm
not
feel
like.
There
was
a
certain
way,
I
think
what
Teri's
talking
about
is
expedited
review.
That's
what
it's
often
referred
to
for
affordable
housing
projects.
That's
one
Jacque
one
I've
heard
you
describe
before
is:
if
there's
something
that's
outside
of
the
current
with
what's
currently
allowed
by
zoning,
the
Dodge
should
get
some
consideration
so.
G
Tiny
homes
are
one
example
of
what
that
could
look
like
David
Adamson's,
North
Street
project
in
concept
is
another
example
of
that
we're
looking
at
trying
to
create
a
different
model
for
housing
on
a
one
block
area
that
there'd
be
some
kind
of
format
that
I
know.
You
said
that
it's
been
kind
of
looked
at
before
and
kicked
around
I
just
think
it's
worth,
maybe
putting
a
little
more.
J
H
J
You
know:
we've
had
a
conversation
before
we're
having
some
notion
of
a
concept
where
there's
a
process
that
provides
certainty
in
terms
of
tying
and
in
terms
of
you
know,
discretion
when
you're,
you
know
stepping
up
and
doing
the
right
thing,
I
think
if
we
lay
it
out
that
way,
I
mean
I,
think
I,
think
that
gets
the
message
across
and
then
there's
a
lot
of
news
to
it.
I
agree,
you
know
yeah
it's
appropriate,
but
that's
probably
for
another
day.
It
would
be
my
thought
in
terms
of
how
we
articulate
yeah.
A
G
Implement
of
a
broad
rezoning
which
would
allow
for
increased
housing
while
focusing
new
housing
into
affordable
units
as
much
as
feasible
could
we
modify
the
city
codes
to
incentivize
aged
development,
which
we
really
don't
have
those
incentives
in
place,
except
for
in
a
very,
very
mild
manner
right
now
and
that
that
comes
down
to
zoning
and
it
comes
down
to
tagging
incentives,
even
more
broadly
than
we
did
with
community
benefit
to
zoning
and
affordable
housing
yeah.
That's.
C
E
G
Currently
I,
don't
know
that
it
serves
us
well
as
a
community
as
far
as
housing,
our
workforce
and
I
mean
I
hate
to
call
it
work
for
us,
because
it
sounds
like
I'm
making
a
company
town
here
which
maybe
we
are
but
I
think
that
the
idea
is
that,
as
we've
seen
around
the
country
in
a
number
of
different
places,
people
are
questioning
single-family,
zoning
and
I
think
we
should
be
questioning
single-family
zoning.
We
should
be
looking
at
potentially
aligning
densities
or
saturation
limits
for
a
number
of
duplexes,
but
I.
G
D
So
what
I
hope
is
that
we
don't
get
into
debating
back
and
forth
whether
or
not
we
believe
in
single-family
zoning,
because
I
think
that
could
be
done
right
bloody
this
evening.
But
what
I
do
think
is
the
interesting
piece
of
what
you're
saying
is
that
we
do
have
cities
and
states
across
the
country
that
are
looking
into
it
and
if
we
are
a
community
that
is
and
we're
currently
grappling
with
it
in
social
media
and
other
areas.
D
A
I'm
gonna
say
this:
super
quick
I
actually
was
talking
to
Sam
Weber
about
this
and
part
of
the
way
that
Minnesota
got
their
zoning
passed.
Was
they
had
designed
guidelines
for
how
duplexes
had
to
look
so
they
had
to
look
kind
of
like
single-family
homes,
good
for
base
code,
and
maybe
that's
a
road
that
you
might
want
to
take
like
well,
because
that's.
G
D
I
want
to
be
careful
that
I
get
you
might
understand
where
it's
at,
but
people
need
to
be
able
to
work
through
this
process
and
understand
that
before
we
thumbs-up
and
thumbs-down
something
somebody's
got
to
understand
what
we're
talking
about
so
I
understand
the
sense
of
urgency,
but
let's
not
shut
off
the
dialogue
so
that
we
can't
each
feel
heard.
So
if
anybody
else
wants
to
feel
heard
before
we
rush
through
the
thumbs-up
or
thumbs-down
I.
D
D
G
A
C
D
G
E
E
C
E
G
E
G
J
Say
here
is
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
articulate
the
notion
that
you
know
we're
focused
on
middle
and
come
here
not
to
say
I
mean
it'll
be
hard
to
quantify,
but
that's
the
point
we
want
to
get
across
because
you
know
there
will
be
a
lot
of
time
to
you
know
flush
that
out,
but
that's
where
the
impact?
Okay,
let's.
B
A
J
J
Another
one
might
be
if
the
school
district
was
a
master
lessor
on
a
project
and
then
they
can
put
employees
in
there
when
there's
need.
You
know,
especially
if
somebody's
relocating
here
I
think
it's
a
pretty
broad
notion,
but
the
whole
idea
is
that's
really
something
I
think
we
need
to
focus
on
to
really
enhance
the
opportunities,
enhance
the
funding
for
these
things
and
also
bring
the
responsibility
to
employers.
That
are,
you
know,
essentially
any
employers
part
of
the
problem
within
commuting
right.
F
J
Right,
there's
also
there's
also
fine
priorities
and
there's
a
lot
of
other
financing
mechanisms
that
any
public
entity
can
utilize
if
they
want
to
generate
money
for
something
all
the
value
but
I,
think
public
and
private
employers,
and
that
doesn't
mandate
for
anybody,
but
certainly
puts
some
of
the
illness
on
them.
To
try
to
help
be
part
of
the
solution
and
I.
Think
that's
a
good
stepping
stone
for
this,
and
if
it's
going
on
already,
then
we
say
continue.
C
A
H
H
A
A
A
A
We
have
a
few
reasonable
regional
housing
strategy,
but
that
hasn't
been
very
active
recently.
As
far
as
I
can
recall.
You're
still
on
that
correct,
okay
and
the
two
things
that
we
have
as
suggestions
for
additional
focus
are
working
on
items
going
to
the
state
legislature
and
then
the
potential
of
some
sort
of
Oversight
Committee
for
renters.
D
H
C
A
We
don't
have
to
form
the
committee
right
now.
This
is
just
something
that
we
are
going
to
put
in
the
letter
as
a
potential
action
that
the
okay
board
is
going
to
take
just
because
we
think
it's
an
important
point,
and
maybe
we're
saying
in
the
in
the
letter,
maybe
not
depending
upon
how
the
straw
poll
goes
and
we
can
have
a
discussion
in
formation
about
the
committee
itself
later
on.
Yeah
get
your
hand
up
no.
I
I
D
Which,
honestly
I
think
is
half
the
battle?
The
people
that
we
were
even
talking
to
is
about
getting
them
to
the
right.
You
know
having
five
different
housing
boards
right,
there's
five
different
housing
boards
and
not
people
not
sure
whether
or
not
something
goes
to
planning.
But
it's
not
you
know,
I
think
it's
just
it's
directing
it's
not
just
making
decisions.
Does
that
does
that
make
sense
yeah,
which
we
need
to
find
later
I.
D
D
Why
are
you
on
the
housing,
Advisory
Board
and
then
asked
me
if
I
would
listen
to
she
said
she's
gone
everywhere
and
needed
and
ultimately
we
came
to
some
kind
of
good
paths
of
where
to
go,
but
I
think
that's
who
we
are
right.
We
are
of
the
people
for
the
people
on
this
board
and
we're
supposed
to
be
the
connection
for
City
Council,
so
I
think
having
that
place
where
people
feel
like
they
have
somebody
on
this
board
to
contact.
Maybe.
A
C
That
so
I
just
have
one
concern.
I
think
that's
a
lovely
idea
and
a
lovely
name.
The
reason
why
I
got
bumped
up
to
the
top
part.
It
really
started
as
our
interest
in
recognizing
some
recognition
that
50%
of
the
residents
are
renters
and
unless
we
say
something
in
the
letter
which
can
be
in
the
top
part
about
renters
specifically,
we
are
then
leaving
out
a
really
important
part
of
our
population.
E
A
G
My
feeling
is
I'm
here,
and
this
is
that
really
I
mean
again
it's
part
of
the
public
outreach.
But
what
we're
trying
to
do
and
I
think
it's
a
worthy
thing
is
we
are
trying
to
create
a
public
awareness
that
the
housing
board
is
a
go-to
place,
whether
it's
just
an
email
or
whether
they
want
to
come
in,
or
we
specifically
do
listening
sessions
for
that
or
as
a
piece
of
a
certain
number
of
our
meetings.
But
we,
you
know
that
could
be
decided
but
I
think
it's
a
valuable
thing.
A
G
C
I
I
B
I
So
the
city
has
a
legislative
agenda
that
they
craft
prior
to
every
session.
That
is
something
that's
coordinated
through
Carl
Castillo
at
the
city
and
he
works
with.
You
know
the
city
has
lobbyists,
which
is
pretty
interesting
and
then
there's
also
all
sorts
of
organizations
out
there.
So
there's
the
Municipal
League
of
Colorado
there's
housing
Colorado,
you
know
probably
half
a
dozen
others
who
advocate
on
housing
issues
a
lot
of
what
what
we
do
as
staff
is.
I
We
rely
on
housing
Colorado
to
represent
sort
of
the
municipal
interests
at
this
new
legislature,
so
there
that
they
track
bills.
They
have
a
legislative
committee
and
we
typically
will
support
them
in
their
efforts.
They
would
like
greater
support
also
from
the
cities
potentially
from
individuals
to
advocate
specifically
for
housing
issues.
That's
a
help.
Sure.
E
I
C
I
Think
of
it
not
necessarily
responding
to
each
individual
bill
that
comes
out,
but
how
do
we
shape
the
actual
agenda?
You
know
what
are
the
issues
that
are
important
to
Boulder?
How
do
we
get
that
on
the
various
age,
our
organization's
agenda?
That's
what
we
will
be
talking
about
in
January
and
February
house
in
Colorado
will
have
will
basically
come
to
the
board
and
explain
this
is
these
were
this
is
what
we
see
as
priorities
and
you
can
help
them
inform
their
what
they
what
they
finally
proposed
gotcha.
So.
C
A
I
I,
don't
think
it's
a
role,
that's
been
specifically
defined
for
you
in
the
gender
I
would
I
would
actually
want
to
go
back
and
double-check.
It
I've
got
to
do
that.
While
you
guys
chat,
I,
think
what
you're,
basically
asking
counselor
or
you
know
you're
telling
counsel
is.
We
would
like
to
play
a
more
active
role
and
state
legislative
issues
and
just
keep
your
thoughts.
I
like.
A
C
B
G
So
what
we
would
do
essentially
just
look
at
it,
and
then
we
would
write
a
recommendation,
a
brief
recommendation
to
Council
in
our
meeting
minutes
and-
and
it
would
go
to
council
and
say
hey.
This
is
happening
right
now.
We
think
it's
really
important
that
this
city
take
a
little
extra
effort
on
it.
That
sounds
perfect.
Council
could
say:
okay,
housing
board.
Would
you
engage
further
on
that?
One.
A
G
A
A
J
A
A
A
Okay,
is
everyone
good
leaving
that,
where
that
is,
we
have
you
to
reckon
on
it?
Perfect,
okay,
we'll
move
on
to
ideas
for
the
next
listening
session.
Obviously
we
just
talked
about
a
whole
lot
of
things
that
could
potentially
be
there,
but
we
should
probably
talk
about
when
we
might
want
the
next
one
to
be
first
and
my
best
estimate
is.
We
don't
have
enough
time
to
do
one
before
November
plus,
that's
gonna,
be
not
in
this
room
and.
G
D
D
C
I
just
want
to
say
the
lead
time
for
being
able
to
do
the
publicity
for
a
topic.
If
we
really
want
to
do
something
in
January,
we
have
to
pick
the
topic
like
settle
on
the
first
topic.
We
don't
have
to
be
Gollum,
but
we
have
to
pick
the
first
topic
in
November
for
sure.
If,
if
not
tonight,
if
there's
not
when
we
all
agree
on
tonight,
that's.
D
D
A
A
F
C
I
want
to
just
mention
something
at
a
previous
meeting.
We
voted,
which
we
can
change,
that
we
did
vote
I
believe
that
we
weren't
going
to
have
listening
sessions
about
topics
that
were
in
the
city's
work
plan
because
we'd
be
having
public
hearings
about
them.
So
we
have
to
take
that
into
consideration,
so
maybe
the
one
in
February.
We
should
pick
something
that
we
believe
isn't
going
to
come
up
in
the
in
the
work
plan.
I.
E
A
D
The
calendar
can
be
done
and
yeah
a
week
and
a
half
we
could
submit
somebody
could
submit
it
by
the
next
one.
I
mean
working
on
it.
If
somebody
else
wants
to
work
on
it
with
me
Juliet
do
you
want
to
work
on
it
with
me
since
I
know,
we
want
to
look
at
working,
yeah
figure
out
a
calendar
and
here
with
the
work
plan
that
we
know
of
right
now,
which
may
should
shift
in
January
sure
great.
D
D
I
I
So
we
do
have
a
new
council
coming
in
so
the
previous
council.
You
know
there
was
a
lot
of
work
and
one
effort
to
get
certain
priorities
done
this
year,
which
is
why
your
calendar
was
so
full,
but
coming
up,
there's
really
not
a
lot
of
agenda
items
before
you.
So
there's
not
specific
projects
going
to
council,
primarily
because
the
new
council
has
to
weigh
in
and
determine
what
their
priorities
are
going
to
be.
A
C
So
again,
the
Community
Foundation
serving
Boulder
County
does
research
on
an
ongoing
basis.
In
every
two
years
they
put
out
a
trends
report
and
they've
done
a
fair
amount
of
publicity
about
it
in
Long
mountain
in
Boulder,
and
this
this
two
year
segment
they
have
identified
the
biggest
challenge
facing
Boulder
County
are
its
housing
and
rising
prices,
and
it's
an
excellent
presentation
and
they
do
a
good
right-brain
left-brain
presentation
where
they
give
a
few
personal
stories,
and
then
they
give
a
lot
of
data,
and
it's
some
data
that
I,
don't
recall.
C
Having
heard
before
that,
I
think
would
be
really
helpful
for
all
of
us
and
I
also
think
it
would
be
helpful
for
the
few
people
who
may
watch
us
on
television
I
think
it's
actually
really
helpful
for
the
community
to
have
that
information
out
there
just
for
giving
us
where
housing
fits
in
into
our
city
and
into
the
larger
County,
and
so
I
hope
that
we
will
agree
to
invite
them.
They
said
they
cut
down
their
presentation.
So
it'd
be
one
half
hour
long
with
fifteen
minutes.
A
I
C
I
I
Council
passed
the
housing
advisory
boards
recommendation
they
based
on
your
feedback.
They
did
remove
the
reference
to
or
the
exemption
for,
nursing
homes
and
assisted
living.
So
they
deferred
that
to
Phase
two
and
they
did
keep
appendix
J.
However,
they
added
two
areas
that
are
zoned
are
age:
three
that
are
near
the
Boulder
Valley
Regional
Center,
and
they
extended
the
expiration
date
to
may
2021
and
that
those
are
the
highlights.
Any
questions
about
that.
Does
that
make
sense
we're
folks
tracking?
That
was
that
helpful
thanks.
I
More
year
that
was
staffs
recommendation,
because
that
would
give
us
additional
time
to
see
how
how
it's
going
within
those
specific
areas,
but
yeah
I
think
the
idea
is
that
it
they
do
still
want
to
see
it
expire
at
some
point.
Yet
anything
else
with
that
transportation
master
plan,
so
I
think
the
desire
here
was
to
look
at
what
are
the
intersections
with
housing.
In
terms
of
the
latest
update
the
thing
to
keep
in
mind
with
the
transportation
master
plan.
Is
it's
updated
over
five
years,
so
the
changes
are
fairly
minor.
I
Each
update
to
update
this
one
really
had
a
focus
on
safety
and
the
vision.
Zero
initiative
that's
been
happening,
so
that
was
incorporated.
There's
50
action
items
that
are
from
that
report.
There's
also
revisions
to
the
pedestrian
plan
based
on
feedback
from
a
18
member
community
working
group,
quick.
A
I
No,
that's
a
great
question.
I'm
sure
the
transportation
staff
could
could
answer
that
I.
Just
I,
don't
know
for
sure
the
one.
That's
really
more.
Housing
focused
the
neighborhood
accessibility
sort
of
that
15-minute
neighborhood
concept,
there's
a
GIS
tool
that
was
developed
and
and
is
used
to
identify,
specific
improvements
that
could
be
made
so
I
mean
that's
where
we're
trying
to
get
it
the
prioritization.
What
are
the
tools
to
help
us
identify
where
we
should
be
focusing
our
resources?
I
Also,
the
development
part
of
the
15
minute
neighborhood
piece
is
developing
a
low
stress,
walk
and
bike
network
throughout
the
city,
so
that
there
are
easy
connections
where
people
feel
comfortable,
walking
or
biking
a
lot
of
focus
on
transit
service
and
a
new
study
that
was
done
as
well
as
continuing
to
strengthen
and
build
regional
partnerships
based
on
the
us
36
model,
particularly
for
the
diagonal
highway
and
state
highway,
7
to
Brighton
so
trying
to
incorporate
bus,
rapid
transit
and
other
issues
and
then
integrating
access
management
and
parking
strategy.
Amps.
H
I
November
7th,
I
believe
and
we
you
can
see
construction
happening
as
early
as
three
to
four
weeks
from
now,
so
things
are
moving
along.
So
just
a
little
bit
of
background,
so
it's
the
old
Pollard
site
at
30th
and
parole.
Older
housing
partners
was
selected
as
the
master
code
developer
and
it
has
a
whole
mix
of
permanently
affordable
housing,
market
housing
and
I'll
talk
about
each
quad
and
adjust
really
very
quickly.
So
quadrant
one
will
be
sold
to
Morgan
Creek
ventures.
D
I
Actually,
it
changed
at
the
last
minute,
so
I
I'm
a
little
hesitant
to
tell
you
exactly,
but
there
are
specific
requirements
so
priorities
for
nonprofits
and
also
local
businesses,
so
that
quadrant
one
we'll
be
sold
and
the
proceeds
from
that
will
help
to
pay
for
the
permanently
affordable
housing
on
the
other,
quadrants
quadrant.
Two
and
actually
the
other
quadrants
will
be
conveyed
to
Boulder
housing
partners
and
they
will
build
a
parking
structure
underneath
quadrants,
two
and
three,
and
then
who
will
transfer
back
to
the
city
in
the
city
will
sell
quadrant
three
but
quadrant
two.
I
E
E
B
C
I
G
I
And
then
the
final
one
is
the
regional
housing
strategy
in
a
and
I
know,
I
think
I
heard
you
guys
talking
a
little
bit
earlier
about.
It's
been
quiet
for
a
little
bit
in
terms
of
that
front.
So
is
everyone
familiar
with
the
regional
housing
strategy,
particularly
in
new
members?
Did
you
have
a
chance
to
look
through
this
so
identifies
a
number
of
strategies,
establish
a
regional
goal
which
we've
done:
bolster
financial
resources,
secure
land
development,
redevelopment
opportunities,
preserve
affordability
and
consider
regulatory
processes.
I
We've
been
making
progress
and
all
those
friends,
of
course,
they've
even
dumped
at
the
goal.
The
next
big
focus
is
going
to
be
really
around
bolstering
financial
resources,
so
I
think
you've
all
heard
council
and
Boulder
County
commissioners
have
agreed
to
place
on
the
2020
ballot,
a
property
tax
measure
that
would
raise
approximately
twenty
million
dollars.
Countywide
that
would
be
distributed
throughout
the
county
and,
starting
probably
in
early
to
late
spring,
there'll,
be
more
of
a
push
to
help
educate
the
community
on
the
benefits
in
the
need
and
I
don't
know.
I
There
is
a
mailing
list
and
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
a
way
to
add
all
of
the
have,
so
that
all
new
members
get
included
as
well,
but
basically
what
you
would
just
it
there
aren't
that
many
emails
I
think
it's
like
once
every
month
they
basically
talk
about
progress,
that's
being
made
by
the
different
jurisdictions.
What
efforts
are
coming
up,
but
it's
a
good
resource
just
to
stay
tuned
with
it.
Do.
A
I
I
Yeah-
and
you
know,
I
think
the
20
million
was
backed
into
based
on
you
know.
What
do
we
need
to
do
to
achieve
the
goal
of
12%
County
I'm
catching?
How
much
has
to
be
invested
so
I
mean
there's
sort
of
a
rationale
behind
it,
but
I
think
it
was
also.
What
would
be
you
know,
palatable
to
the
coders
yeah.
I
Also,
we
will
not
have
a
board
secretary
for
November
and
December
coincides
with
the
department
holiday
party,
not
that
those
are
any
reason
not
to
have
a
meeting.
Just
I
think
others
are
gonna
have
similar
situation
in
terms
of
commitments
around
the
holidays
and
considering
that
there
are
not
very
many
agenda
items,
my
the
board
might
want
to
consider
canceling
one
or
both
of
those
meetings
and
resuming
in
the
new
year.
So
I
bring
that
up.
I
A
A
E
E
C
A
Okay,
debrief
calendar
check,
I
thought
this
process
was
a
whole
lot
better
than
our
last
annual
letter,
especially
since
we
kind
of
know
what
is
expected
of
us
and
we're
adhering
to
that.
Thank
you
for
the
new
people.
I
realized
that
it's
a
little
bit
weird
to
go
through
this,
the
first
time
but
felt
like
here,
so
he
came
along
with
us
since
we've
already
gotten
the
wrist
slapped
before
and
I
appreciate
that
that
made
it
a
lot
easier
than
trying
to
do
reinvent
the
wheel
all
over
again.
So.