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Cob
jay
sugnet:
okay,
michael.,
michael
leccese:
okay,.
I
think
we're
good
to
go.
thank
you.
everybody
for
joining
us
for
the
september
being
of
the
housing
advisory
board.
I'm.
michael
jason,,
the
chair..
I
will
call
this
meeting
to
order,
and
we'll
start
with
roll
call.
make
sure
we
have
a
quorum,,
gulian
and
ramsey.
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Michael
leccese:,
that's
what
kenny
terry
before.
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Michael
leccese:
we'll
go
to
the
debrief
and
calendar
check,
and
we
will
seek
to
adjourn
by
nine
pm.
um.
before
we
go
to
our
next
time
as
a
welcome.,
our
next,,
our
new
planning,
director,
brian
mueller,,
had
the
pleasure
of
me
today.,
I'm
going
to
ask
him,,
jay
and
staff,
for
you
ramble
for
public
participation.
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cob
jay,
sugnet:,
so,
cob
jay
sugnet:
thank
you,
everybody
for
joining
us.,
cob,
jay
sugnet:.
We
just
have
some
ground
rules
for
the
meeting
for
those
of
you.
That
may
not
be
familiar
with
how
the
city
operates.
These
types
of
meetings.
we
try
to
strike
a
balance
between
meaningful,
transparent
engagement
and
online
security..
So
we
have
adopted
these
rules.
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Michael
leccese:
thank
you.,
jay.
michael
leccese:,
um.
now
I'm.
item
three.,
I'm
delighted
to
introduce
our
new
director
for
planning
development
services..
As
I
mentioned,,
I
met
bread
today,
and
he
comes
to
us
from
city
of
greeley
as
a
to
you,
grad,,
and
I
really
enjoyed
it.
so
say
how
you
bred..
Maybe
you
can
comment
about
some
of
your
thoughts
about.
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Brad
mueller,
cob:
it..
It
works
there
for
brad
mueller,
cob:
over
a
decade
in
a
capacity
that's
fairly
similar
to
here.
development,
review,
engineering,
compliance,,
historic
preservation,,
mit
functions,,
administration,
long
range
planning.
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Brad
mueller,
cob:
housing,
brad,
mueller,,
cob:
price
points
and
choice,,
and
the
city's
values
of
diversity,.
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Michael
leccese
hab:
um,,
my
michael,,
you
haven't.
ah,,
you
haven't
approved
the
minutes
from
last
month.
oh,,
I'm
sorry..
Let's
get
that
over.
um.
okay?
ah,.
I
think
everyone's
had
a
chance
to
review.
That.
give
me
everyone
on
the
board
the
minutes
from
august
twenty,,
fourth,,
two
thousand
and
twenty
two..
Do
we
have
a
motion
to
approve?.
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Susan
iott:
hey?
thank
you.
uh,,
I'm
mostly
listening,
in,
because,
uh,
I
live
in
gospro.
I
live
at
one
thousand,
seven
hundred
and
eleven
grove
street.
I'm..
Currently
a
coach
chair
of
the
gospel
neighborhood
association.,
so
we're
very
interested
in
the
maybe
you
issue.
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Michael
leccese,
hab:
okay,,
so
just
to
paraphrase,,
if
I'm
understanding,
you,
you're
concerned
that
there'll
be
ah,
ah!,
basically
a
form
of
abuse
of
people
creating
a
to
to
rent
out
for
short-term
reynolds,
rather
than
actually
providing
housing.
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Susan
iott:
yes,,
we
already
have
we
think
of
an
enforcement
issue
with
the
program
we
have
for
allowing
the
search
or
rentals.
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Susan
iott:
neighborhood
meetings,
and
have.
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Michael
leccese,
hab:
um.,
suggesting
some
regulation
change
and
six
regulation
changes
that
would
be
easy.
um!
a
fairly
inexpensive
to
do,
and
would
not
require
a
lot
of
staff
time
there
that
they're
the
low-hanging
fruit
for
making
eighty
new
changes..
That
would
make
it
easier
and
somewhat
what
made,,
perhaps
somewhat
less
expensive
for
people
in
boulder
to
build
a
to
use..
I
um,
my
husband
and
I,
and
and
full
of.
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J
J
Michael
leccese
hab:
and
it's
a
four
hundred.,
so
ah!
twenty
square
space.
we
put
in
a
little
kitchen..
There
was
a
bathroom..
It's
got
a
lot
of
light..
We
share
a
patio..
We've
had
a
series
of
young,
professional
and
graduate
students
who
have
been
living
there
for
the
last
six
years..
They
are
completely
delightful..
We
offer
them
affordable,
rent
on
a
long-term
basis..
They
have
all
said
to
us
that
they
appreciate
living
in
a
nice
neighborhood
with.
J
J
Michael
leccese
hab:,
I
just
want
to
encourage
you
to
look
at
our
letter..
There
are
six
recommendations..
One
of
them
is
eliminate.
saturation
limits.
Another
one
is
eliminate
parking
requirements..
These
are
all
things
that
I
have
heard
about
again
and
again
from
neighbors,
and
from
other
folks
of
walter
I'm..
Also,
an
arts,
commission,
member,
and
I've
talked
with
a
lot
of
artists
about
the
need
for
more
affordable
housing..
So
I
think
this
will
benefit
people
who
need
a
little
more
income,,
perhaps
for
retirement.
J
J
Michael
leccese
hab:
um.
many
people
who
can't
afford
to
rent
otherwise
in
bolder,,
so
I
do
encourage
you
to
be
to
look
very
carefully
at
these
recommendations,
and
to
make
these
changes
that
are
easy
to
do,
and
and
would,.
I
think,
encourage
many
more
people
to
a
preach,
be
able
to
appreciate
the
benefits
of
accessory
dwelling
events..
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
time..
I
really
appreciate
you.
listening
to
this,
and
considering
these
matters.
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Diane
dvorin:
more
coming
and
goings
with
having
an
ad
you..
If
that
is
indeed
the
case,,
I'm
very
happy
to
hear
that
the
housing
advisory
board
is
taking
up
this
subject..
I
think
that
boulder
is
far
too
restrictive.
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Lynn,
segal:
okay,,
sombrero
march.,
but
sombrero
marsh.
that
is
partially
owned
by
boulder
valley,
school
district,
and
I
know
jay
is
going
to
be
big
time.
Supportive
of
this
manufactured
housing
thing
that's
going
in
there,
and
that
is
not
okay..
It's
another
scheme
for
quote:
unquote:
affordable,
housing,,
looking
good.
oh,
manufactured
housing,
where
we
train
the
people,
how
to
build
houses,
and
they
build
them,,
you
know.,
and
then
they
put.
L
Lynn,
segal:
and
on
the
panorama,
or
or
I
forget,
the
name
of
it.
ponderosa,,
one
of
the
mobile
home
places.-
that
will
be
a
permanent,.
You
know,
housing
with
this
manufacturer
process..
That's
really
delightful.,
but
that's
not
a
good
place
for
this
to
happen..
Someone
testified
about
the
rare
birds.
Today.
it
robert
habitat
is,
is
impacted,
there.
and
you
know,
oakley
thorn,,
who.
L
Lynn
segal:
drew
the
blue.
a
line
around
boulder,
basically
is
a
is
a
a
border
and
involved
with
sombrero
march
and
sombrero
marsh,,
and
this
is
considered
today
for
the
habitat
community.
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Michele:,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
revisiting
some
of
the
adu
regulations
that
we
have
in
place..
I
absolutely
favor,
affordable,
housing.
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Michele:,
so
we
don't
get
to
benefit
from
that
affordability,
like
someone
in
a
suburb
that
has
a
unit
in
the
backyard,
which
I
think
is
fabulous.
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M
Michele:
no,,
just
whatever
metal
unit
a
house
with
an
ad
you
on
the
back,
is
owned
by
an
llc.,
so,
and
and
the
owner
doesn't
live.
There.
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A
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Alexia
parks:
and
the
first
one
is:
I
alexia
parks:
want
to
say,
one
hundred
percent
support.
um.,
the
eighty
you
for
allowing
seniors
like
myself
to
age.
In
place.,
I've
lived
in
my
home
and
property
for
the
last
fifty,
three
years..
I
love
it..
I've
created
a
wildlife
corridor.,
that's
a
permanent
quarter,
so
that
they
all
the
animals
who
come
off
of
black
staff
can
benefit,
and.
I
I
Alexia
parks:
this
past
week..
I
believe
my
concern
on
that
is,
and
and
to
have
people
keep
an
eye
on
this,
on
your,
in
your
um,,
your
organization,,
their
agency
is
that
it
has
a
public
right,
away.,
it's
for
the
neighbors.,
it's
the
kind
of
thing
that
happens
when
you
know
that
there
is
an
alley
between..
I
mean,
you
know,.
I
Alexia
parks:
a
walkway
or
a
pathway
for
neighbors
to
pass
through
on
one
street
to
the
other,
for
example,,
from
spruce
to
pearl,,
and
in
this
case
we
can
actually
walk,
and
I've
done
this
for
fifty,.
Three
years.
walked
a
couple
of
times
a
week
directly
to
the
flat
irons
through
this
person's
front
yard,,
and
they
cashed
right
in
front
of
their
front
door.
The
way
they
designed.
their
house
was
right
against
a
driveway.
that
was
ah,,
but
it
actually.
I
Alexia
parks:
for
the
neighbors..
They
know
it's
a
public
access..
I
want
to
make
sure
that
seven
hundred
and
seventy
maintains
that
public
access
is
not
meant
for
everyone
who
arrives
from
boulder
to
walk
through
that
passageway.,
but
it's
a
courtesy
to
the
neighbors
because
it
has
been
a
former,,
I
guess,
ally
that
was
abandoned.
That
gave
them
direct
access,
and
I've
done
it
for
years..
I
won't.
I
A
I
Alexia
parks:,
but
I
I
will
add
one
more
thing:
then.
um!
and
that
is,
I
support
access
for
animals
because
a
lot
of
people
recently
at
um,,
one
thousand
and
eighty
five..
There
was
a
beautiful
home
home
by
bernie
reader,,
who
was
very
active
in
the
community..
She
had
a
historic
sort
of
architecturally
elegant.
I
I
Alexia
parks:,
so
a
beautiful
home
got
torn
down
that
was
affordable,
and
and
a
giant
home
was
put
into
its
place,
and
it
still
has
gone
unsold
at
ten
million.
A
Michael
leccese
hab:
thank
you
for
that.,
I
would
love
um..
What's
happened,
gets
a
little
deeper
into
its
work.
plan
to
take
up
that
issue
of
tear
downs,
and
how
that
affects
affordability..
It's
not
currently
on
our
agenda,,
but
I
do
think
it's
important..
We
see
that
in
a
lot
in
our
neighborhood,
and
it's
a
little
disturbing.
I
I
Alexia
parks:,
you
know,.
If
you
had
four
seniors
buying
into
something
and
living
there,
ten
seniors,
and
in
this
case
moving
in,,
then
it
would
be
affordable,
because
they
could
all
live
in
a
communal
space
as
seniors
and
age,
and
place
in
one
big
house,.
I
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A
Michael
leccese
hab:
not
on
the
agenda,,
but
I
meant
to
mention
earlier..
It
mentioned
earlier,
as
we.
A
A
Michael
leccese,
hab:
and
um!
he
was
forced
to
to
some
priorities.,
so
we
are
down
to
five
people
on
this
board.
Not
clear
yet
is
going
to
get
a
a
ruling
on
this,,
whether
we
need
three
or
five,
three,
or
four
to
maintain
a
form
we
have
for
tonight..
So
it's
not
a
problem,
tonight.
uh,,
but
I
really
appreciate
the
consistent
attendance..
We
are
going
on
the
board,,
so
we
can
have
effective
meetings
and
take
legal
hopes
and
so
forth.
A
Michael
leccese
hab:
um,
so,
anyway
big..
Thank
you
to
julian..
I
wish
you
reviewers
for
your
thank
you,
and
in
person.
ah,
lexi,,
who
have
to
apply
to
be
on
our
board,
and
I
believe
those
applications
will
be
coming
up
next
year.
um,,
I've
heard
maybe
february
as
soon
as
february
or
march
one
and
these
two
openings
at
that
time.
A
B
O
O
Lisa
houde,,
cob:
and
so
jay
asked
us
to
be
here
just
to
give
some
introductory
numbers
that
we've
been
seeing
in
the
data
just
to
kind
of
frame
your
discussion..
So
that's
why
I'm
here,
tonight.
um,
I've
also
been
doing
some
research
of
other
cities.,
so
I'll
be
brief.,
but
just
throw
a
lot
of
charts
at
you,.
O
Lisa
houde,,
cob:
and
holly
has
some
more
to.,
so
this
is
related
to
uh,,
a
two
thousand
and
twenty-two
two
thousand
and
twenty-three
city
house
a
work
program
priority,
where
they
identify
the
city
council
early
this
year
identified,
updates
to
the
accessory
joining
unit
regulations
as
one
of
their
main
priorities.
um.,
and
that
objective
is
really
to
increase
the
allowance
of
being
used..
I
know
you
guys
know
some
of
this
background.
but
um!.
The
council
members
who
discussed
it
during
the
retreat
related
to
the
priorities
focused
on
removing
the
saturation
limit,
which.
O
Lisa
houde,
cob:
um.
and
then
they
wanted
us
to
also
analyze
potential
barriers
to
aidu
construction.
and
the
schedule
so
far
is
that
tentatively,
we're
on
a
meeting
agenda
in
november,
with
city
council
to
start
kind
of
spoken
out.
The
issue.
um!
so
it'll
be
great
to
get
your
feedback
and
hear
your
conversation
in
advance
of
that.
O
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
so
we'll
dive
into
some
of
these
numbers.,
so
we've
been
doing
an
analysis..
This
is
kind
of
this.
Chart
shows
the
whole
history
of
a
to
use
in
boulder,,
so
dating
all
the
way
back
to
one
thousand
nine
hundred
and
eighty-three,,
when
the
first
ordinance
was
adopted,
and
then
it's
showing
how
many
unknowns
were
approved
each
year..
So
you
can
see
kind
of
the
milestones
when
updates
were
made
to
the
regulations,
and
you
can
see
there's
a
a
large
change
after
the
most
recent
updates
in
two
thousand
and
eighteen..
O
O
O
Lisa
houde,
cob:
just
diving
into
kind
of
those
that
same
data,,
but
just
looking
at
two
thousand
and
nineteen
to
two
thousand
and
twenty-two,
two
thousand
and
nineteen
was
the
most
a
to
use
that
were
ever
approved
in
folder..
I
think
the
previous
record
per
year
was
like
twenty-eight.
So
up
to
eighty
after
we
made
those
changes,,
there
was
definitely
a
backlog,
as
we
were
working
on
those
regulations..
O
That
might
be
a
reason
why
twenty,
two
two
thousand
and
twenty
was
an
odd
year,
but
uh,
still
about
sixty
applications
that
were
approved
for
a
to
use.
O
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
two
thousand
and
twenty
one
went
down
a
little
bit
more
to
forty-six,
and
in
two
thousand
and
twenty-two.
obviously,.
When
the
data
we
only
did
the
data
up
to
the
end
of
july.,
so
we're
about
halfway
through,
and
at
that
point
twelve
had
been
approved..
We
still
have
thirty,
one
that
are
in
some
sort
of
the
process.,
we're
anticipating
that
the
numbers
for
two
thousand
and
twenty-two
will
probably
be
similar..
O
O
O
O
Lisa
houde,
cob:
we've
mapped
where
any
use
we're
approved
in
use,
are
located
in
the
city.
this.
That
might
be
a
little
hard
to
see
on
the
powerpoint
side.
we're
working
on
getting
it
to
an
interactive
capabilities..
So
you
can
zoom
in.
but,
uh,.
You
can
kind
of
see
that
the
icons
that
have
the
yellow
outline.
those
are
amy's
that
were
before
the
changes
in
two
thousand
and
nineteen,
and
then
the
kind
of
greenish
blue
as
they
use
that
were
afterwards.,
and
this
is
just
the
norm.
O
Lisa
houde,
cob:.
We
also
have
been
looking
at
how
many
of
these
eighty-s
were
either
market
rate
or
affordable,,
because
some
of
the
regulations
that
were
approved
in
two
thousand
and
eighteen,
two
thousand
and
nineteen
uh,-
gave
some
extra
flexibility
to
affordable
units..
So
of
those
two
hundred
one
hundred
and
thirty-three
of
the
unknowns
were
market,
rate.
sixty-seven
of
them
were
affordable,,
and
I
also
thought
it
was
interesting
to
look
at
of
those..
Are
they
deciding
to
do
a
detached
or
an
attached
so
for
marketing?
Rate.?
It's
pretty
similar.
O
Lisa
houde,
cob:
we're
also
looking
at
the
size
of
the
unknowns
that
have
been
approved
in
these
last
three
years..
Um,
again,,
looking
at
both
median
and
average
to
try
to
understand
that.
but
kind
of
the
average
size
overall
between
detached
and
attached
is
about
six
hundred
square
feet
little
over
six
hundred
median
below.
um!,
but
then,.
Looking
at
detached
and
attached,
you
guys,,
I'm
sure
I
think
you're
familiar.
you've
talked
about
the
size
limits
before,,
but
detached
is
limited
if
it's
marked
a
rate
of
five,.
O
Lisa
houde,
cob:
one
hundred
and
fifty
square
feet,
and
the
average
that
we're
seeing
is
detached
is
five
hundred
and
forty,
seven
square
feet,,
but
that
includes
some
affordable
detached,,
which
they
are
allowed
to
go
up
to
eight
hundred
square
feet,.
So
the
average
for
affordable
units
is
six
hundred
and
thirty,
four
square
feet,
and
the
average
for
market
rate
is
four
hundred
and
ninety,.
Two.
O
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
looking
at
attached.
they're,
allowed
to
be
a
little
bit
bigger,,
so
they
can
be
a
thousand
square
feet
or
a
third
of
the
principal
structure..
And
what
we're
seeing
is
that
the
average
attached
size
is
about
seven
hundred,
and
there's
not
much
difference
between
a
portable
and
mercury.
O
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
we
also
have
had
a
few
applications,
go
forward
to
boz,
our
board
of
zoning
adjustments
for
variances,
and
all
four
of
the
applications
were
approved
for
variance
to
the
maximum
four
area..
They
all
interestingly,
were
kind
of
similar
situations
where
it's
an
existing
house
with
the
basement,
and
they
were
converting
into
an
eu.
So
the
sizes
that
were
by
bosa.,
you
can
see
on
the
screen
range
from
just
over
that
one
thousand
limits
to
up
to
fifty.
O
Lisa
houde,
cob:
the
saturation
limit.
Obviously,
was
a
focus
of
council.-
so
we've
been
looking
really
closely
at
that.,
so
we
looked
at
all
of
those
two
hundred
and
eighty-s
that
have
been
approved
over
the
last
three
years,
and
what
their
saturation
limit
was
that
they
were
what
the
saturation
limit
of
their
neighborhood
was,,
including
the
approval
of
that
ado,.
O
O
Lisa
houde,
cob:
um,,
but
those
forty-one
in
that
light
rain.
Those
are
properties.
that
the
saturation
limit
was
above
ten,,
which
used
to
be
ten
percent,
which
used
to
be
the
limit.
It
was
increased
to
twenty,,
so
those
forty,
one
eighty-s
would
not
have
been
built,.
If
not
for
the
changes
that
happened
in
two
thousand
and
eighteen.
however,.
It's
still
the
vast
majority
that
are
under
ten
percent
anyway,,
which
was
the
previous.
O
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
so
those
are
kind
of
the
numbers
related
to
people
that
actually
go
through
the
eighty-
process
and
successfully
build
an
edu,,
and
that
gives
us
a
lot
of
great
data
on
that..
But
in
our
conversations,
we've
also
been
thinking
that
it'd
be..
It's
really
important
to
hear
from
the
people
that
are
interested
in
building
an
edu,,
but
maybe
never
get
to
the
process.
ever
get
through
the
process.
Fully,
will
talk
about
some
people
that
maybe
started
the
process
and
then
withdrew.,
but
the
the
way
that
we.
O
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
these
people
that
are
kind
of
inquiring
or
looking
into
doing
an
au,
and
maybe
what
barriers
they
might
be
running
into.
is
our
using
our
inquire,
boulder
ticket
service..
So
this
is,,
if
you
haven't,
used
it
before
anyone
that
can
put
in
a
question,
and
it
reaches
staff
and
um,,
they
can
get
an
answer
to
a
question
related
to
a
city
service..
So
we
looked
at
just
the
edu.
The
inquiries
that
came
in
from
the
beginning
of
this
year
through
mid-september,
and.
O
O
Lisa
houde,
cob:
portion
of
the
year
we
dug
in
to
see
what
kind
of
the
main
topics
were
that
people
are
writing
in
about.
and
what
was
interesting
is
that
saturation
limit
is
absolutely
the
number.
one
topic
that
people
are
asking
questions
of
the
city
related
to
so
thirty,.
Nine
of
those
two
hundred
and
eighteen
are
related
to
saturation
limits..
This
is
an
av
you
allowed
category,,
I
think,
for
people
that
maybe
aren't
using
this
specific
term
saturation
limit..
I
think
it's
still
kind
of.
O
O
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
so
that
was
an
interesting
way
to
look
at
that..
I
I
also
made
this
slide.
just
these
are
quotes
from
these
tickets.
um!
just
to
try
to
show
how
people
are
asking
about
this
saturation..
So
I
think
the
one
in
the
top
right?
really
sums
it
up
that
I'm
interested
in
building
an
adu.,
but
I
need
to
confirm
that
it's
not
saturated..
How
do
I
do
this
without
submitting
a
whole
application
and
paying
the
fee.,
and
so
that's
kind
of
what
everybody's
getting
at,
and
it
seems
that
saturation
is
really.
O
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
something
that
is
widely
known,
about.,
but
it's
something
difficult..
Only
the
city
staff
can
do
the
kind
of
gis
mapping
calculation
to
make
sure
that
you're
meeting
the
saturation
limit
or
not..
So
it's
very
challenging
for
people
to
kind
of
get
past
that
first
barrier
of
understanding
whether
they
can
build
an
ad
on
their
property.
O
Lisa
houde,
cob:
that's
kind
of
the
quantitative
data..
I
also
wanted
to
give
just
a
really
brief
introduction
to
some
of
the
comparable
cities.
Research
that
we've
been
doing.
When
I
say
comparable.
we've
been
looking
at
about
thirty
four
cities
so
far
around
the
country..
It's
really
hard
to
find
an
exact
analog
to
older
to
any
city.
really,
every
city
is
unique,,
but
we're
looking
at
a
number
of
different
factors
to
make
sure
that
they're.
O
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
comparable
in
some
way
to
boulder..
So
a
lot
of
those
thirty
four
are
cities
with
large
universities..
A
lot
of
them
are
trying
to
find
ones
with
smaller
land
areas,
so
smaller
than
one
hundred
square
miles.
credit
bank
cities
that
have
a
similar
population
density,,
so
population
per
square
mile,,
which
ends
up
with.
O
O
Lisa
houde,
cob:
at
rent.,
you
guys,,
I'm
sure,
are
very
familiar
with
boulder-
is
fairly
unique
on
this.
and
so,.
In
order
to
find
some
cities
that
are
comparable
in
terms
of
that
feature,,
they
might
not
meet
some
of
the
other
things..
So
we
might
have
to
go
to
cities,
look
at
cities
that
have
a
much
higher
population,
density,
or
something
like
that
to
get
a,.
O
Lisa
houde,
cob:
however,,
all
of
the
forty-four
or
thirty-four
cities
have
a
persons
for
household
average
between
two
and
three
people.,
and
then
we've
also
tried
to
pull
into
some
other
comparisons
to
other
cities
in
colorado
that
might
not
meet
those
exact
other
features.,
but
just
the
context
of
being
in
colorado..
We
want
to
look
at
that
as
well.
O
O
Lisa
houde,
cob:
in
this
comparable
city
analysis.
we're
looking
at
a
lot
of
the
main
features
of
the
regulations
that
we
currently
have
related
to
ads
in
boulder,,
and
they
can
get
pretty
specific..
But
I
think
the
general
topics
that
we're
looking
at
of
how
cities
address
a
tous
is
where
canadians
go
in
the
city?.
What
do
they
need
to
look
like?
and
then
also,
who
can
live
in
them.
O
O
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
not
a
single
other
city,
has
a
saturation
limit
for
eighty-six..
I
have
struggled
nationwide
to
find
anything..
You
get
close.
um!,
but
we
are
the
only
city
that
has
that
saturation
limit.
only
a
few
of
the
cities
that
we've
looked
at
have
a
minimum
lot
size
for
abus.
That
seems
especially
common
in
recent
updates
for
people
to
be
eliminating
minimal
plot
sizes.
O
Lisa
houde,
cob:
um!,
almost
all
of
the
cities,
however,,
that
we
looked
at
do
limit
it
to
one
hundred
and
eighty,
you
per
lot
um,
and
then
related
to
maximum
size..
There's
there's
a
lot
of
variation
on
that.,
but
I
would
say
that
generally
holder's
maximum
size
of
detached
units
is
smaller
than
other
cities..
When
you
look
at
other
colorado
cities,,
it
seems
like
colorado
kind
of
tends
to
be
on
the
smaller
side
of
allowing
a
to
use
or
having
smaller
ads,
but
generally
nationwide..
It
seems
like.
O
Lisa
houde,
cob:
they're,
mostly
around
eight
hundred
square
feet,
or
they've,
set
a
limit
of
the
percentage
of
the
principal
structure,
so
that
one's
kind
of
interesting
and
variable.
there's
also
variation
around
the
country
on
parking
requirements,,
either
not
requiring
parking
at
all,
or
only
requiring
one
space,
or
there's
several
cities.
That.
O
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
almost
all
of
these
cities,
say
that
the
city
that
the
eighty
you
cannot
be
sold
separately,,
so
it
can't
be
made
into
a
separate
lot.
it.
It
really
needs
to
remain
an
accessory
dwelling
unit
to
another
structure.
and
then
about
half
and
a
half
really
evenly
split
on,.
Whether
cities
require
owner,,
occupancy,
or
not..
So.
O
Lisa
houde,
cob:.
Those
are
the
highlights
that
we've
learned
so
far..
We
are
happy
to
hear
if
there's
other
cities,
that
you
know
of,,
that
we
should
dig
into
um.,
please
let
me
know
we're
still
working
on
that,
and
that
the
evaluation
is
still
in
progress..
So,
just
wanting
to
give
some
initial
highlights
so
that
you
can
kind
of
use
that
to
frame
your
discussion,
and
I'll
stop
sharing
my
screen
and
hand
it
over
to
hawaii.
A
N
N
N
O
G
A
Michael
leccese
hab:,
when
I
go
michael
leccese,
hab:
um.
and
then
lisa
your
your
chart
showed
a
really
robust
production
of
a
to
use..
I
think
it
was
in
two
thousand
and
nineteen,
and
then
a
big
drop
off.
is
that
all?
covid
related
between
general
sandstill
and
difficulty
of
requiring
contractors,
et
cetera.
O
Lisa
houde,
cob:
yeah,,
it's
challenging..
I
mean
it's
challenging
to
pinpoint
it
on
one
certain
thing,.
I
think
it
went
really
high
up
in
two
thousand
and
nineteen,,
because
people
knew
that
the
changes
were
about
to
happen,
and
it
was
going
to
be
made
more
flexible,.
So
that
could
be
a
reason.,
but
there
was
definitely
a
lot
of.
O
Lisa
houde,
cob:
um,,
not
a
lot
of,,
but
several
applications
that
were
withdrawn,
because
they
couldn't
find
a
contract
or
architect,
or
just
general
like..
We
have
no
idea
what's
going
to
happen
while
we're
in
the
middle
of
a
pandemic,
that
there
were
definitely
comments
like
that.,
so
I
think
it
definitely
impacted
the
amount
in
two
thousand
and
twenty.
A
A
Michael
leccese
hab:
so.,
michael
leccese,
hab:,
okay.,
oh,,
gosh,
um:,
michael
leccese,
hab:
yeah.,
so
the
question
is,
is,
have
you
in
any
of
those
communities
you
survey?
and
look
at
the
idea
of
the
pre-approved
edu
designs
where
you
pick
from
a
pattern
book
that
speeds
up
the
process
of
reading
a
to
you.
O
Lisa
houde,
cob:
yeah,.
It's
not
something
that
we've
been
specifically
looking
for
with
other
cities.,
but
I
know
that,
as
I've
been
looking
through
all
of
these,.
I've
stumbled
upon
a
few
examples
that
do
that.
um,
so.
um!.
We
can
definitely
use
that,
or
try
to
focus
on
seeing
what
other
cities
might
have,
that
of
those
thirty
four.
F
F
O
Lisa
houde,
cob:
um!.
Might
it
open
up?
it's
hard
with
the
saturation
limit,
though,
because
they
all
affect
each
other,
so
one
like,
there's
no
way
to
automate
it.
unfortunately,.
I
had
to
go
through
each
one
to
look
at
what
their
saturation
when
it
was.
So
it's
a
challenging
data
point
to
get,.
I
would
say.
O
O
B
B
B
O
O
A
P
P
P
P
P
P
Hollie
hendrikson
cob:
ah,,
so
just
some
some
boring
stuff.
first
cover
before
we
get
to
the
graph
uh..
So
we've
had
a
total.
we've
set
out
a
total
of
four
hundred
and
thirty,
nine
surveys,,
and
we've
received
one
hundred
and
eighty,
six
responses,,
which
gives
us
a
forty
two
percent
response.
Rate.
P
P
P
P
Hollie
hendrikson
cob:
sent
in
a
few
a
few
more
from
there.,
hollie
hendrikson,
cob:,
all
right,,
so
we'll
jump
in
here.,
hollie,
hendrikson
cob:.
So
the
first
question
we
just
wanted
to
engage
with..
I
should
say
this:
isn't
the
complete
all
the
questions
that
we're
asked,
those
kind
of
a
long
list
of
questions,,
but
because
it's.
P
P
Hollie
hendrikson
cob:,
so
the
first
question
here
we'll
discuss
is
just
when
the
eight
year
was
created..
We
know
I
wanted
to
make
sure
we
were
getting
a
good
representation
of
those
eight
years
that
were
built
after
the
last
that
change
the
big
code
change,
and
about
twenty
five
percent
or
so
of
participants
in
the
surveys.
C
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
Hollie
hendrikson
cob:,
so
the
next
question
here
is,
how
you
currently
use
your
au
to
get
a
kind
of
a
better
sense
about
how
these
are
actually
being
used
in
the
community.
again,.
The
blue
of
the
top
line
is
two
thousand
and
twenty
two,,
the
yellow
line,,
the
yellow
bars
of
two
thousand
and
seventeen.
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
Hollie
hendrikson
cob:
um..
We
can
see
some
different
reasons:
here.,
so
hollie
hendrikson,
cob:
top
line
again
two
thousand
and
twenty
two
results,
and
then
the
yellow
line
is
the
two
thousand
and
seventeen
results..
And
so
we
can
see
a
pretty
big
decrease
that
responded
survey.
Respondents
using
the
data
use
for
supplemental
income.
P
P
P
P
P
Hollie
hendrikson,
cob:
and
generally
these
are
single
occupancy.
P
P
P
P
P
P
Hollie
hendrikson
cob:,
the
same
amount
of
people
are
pursued
it
for
the
lower
parking
requirement..
As
for
the
desire
to
provide
long-term,
affordable
housing
and
the
city,,
so
it
was.,
it
was
surprising
for
me
to
see
this
kind
of
more
altruistic
reason
for
pursuing
it.
Rather
than
kind
of
these
other
benefits
that
we're
offering
for.
P
For
saving
these
hollie
hendrikson
cob:
for
pursuing
this
affordable
doesn't
need.
P
P
P
Hollie
hendrikson
cob:
a
data
point.,
so
again,.
The
blue
line
is
from
the
survey
of
two
thousand
and
twenty-two..
The
yellow
line
is
from
surveying
to
two
thousand
and
seventeen,
and
the
biggest
change
between
those
time..
Those
time
points
in
this
survey
is
that
there's
been
a
big
increase
of
units
not
being
rented
or
off.
P
P
P
P
P
Hollie
hendrikson
cob:
and
a
very,
very
large
majority
have
generally
no
opinion,
or
they
haven't
mentioned
anything,
or
they
approve.
ah,.
This
is
an
interesting
ah!
finding,
because
this
is
essentially
unchanged
since
two
thousand
and
seventeen.,
so
the
two
thousand
and
seventeen.
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
Hollie
hendrikson
cob:
that
should
probably
be
discussed
again
in
terms
of
like..
The
the
whole
picture
here
is
that
the
people
that
filled
out
this
survey.
P
Hollie
hendrikson
cob:
didn't
see
these
things
as
barriers,,
maybe
because
they
they've
been
through
the
process..
They
completed
the
process,,
and
maybe
they
don't
see
these
barriers
and
something
like
the
inquire,
boulder
tickets,
for
example,
that
we
discussed
can
kind
of
provide
the
other
side
of
those
people
who
haven't
been
able
to.
P
hollie
hendrikson
cob:.
So
so
there's
you
know.!
I
feel
like
this
has
limited
limited
use,,
but
also
important
to
kind
of
say,
get
the
feedback
from
those
with
existing
units,.
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
Hollie
hendrikson
cob:
discussing
the
concept
of
more
of
like
aging
in
place.
um,,
and
I
think
one
of
the
members
who
spoke
earlier
mentioned
this,
like
the
ability
to
have
the
abu
um..
It
makes
so
much
sense
to
respectfully
create
more
separate,
a
few
more
separate,
independent,
living
spaces
within
the
city.
P
P
hollie
hendrikson
cob:
um!
there
was.
ah,.
You
know
this
line
kind
of
I'm
trying
to
make
calculate
the
the
negative,
or
like
just
improving
proving
of
of
complaints,.
I
will
say,
ah!
by
far
the
most
complaints
were
about
the
actual
process,,
which
is
kind
of
what
we've
been
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
improve.
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
A
A
A
Q
John
gerstle:
was
wondering
if
there
has
been
any
yeah
collection
of
reactions
so
far
by
to
one
of
the
main
concerns
that
planning
board
had
when
it
dealt
with
eighty
use
over
the
last
several
years,,
and
that
is
the
impact
of
a.
b
use
on
missing
middle
type.
Housing,,
and
that
the
concern
is
there
that,
by
encouraging
people
to
build
eighty
us.
P
P
Hollie
hendrikson
cob:
that
wouldn't
be
able
to
stand
their
houses,
and
older
if
they
didn't
have
this
option.,
but
then
you
also
have
the
dynamic
where
people
are
saying
people
aren't,,
you
know,,
can't
afford
to
actually
make
these
improvements.
P
P
B
N
N
A
Michael
leccese
hab:,
I
was
intrigued
by
the
comments
about
cu
and
the
possible
impact
on
neighborhoods,
where
people
have
issues
with
student
housing..
That's
something
that
maybe
we
can
talk
about
as
we
get
into
the
details.
A
A
B
N
O
F
Terry’S
palmos
hab:
um,
terry’s,
palmos
hab:.
You
know
one
of
the
things
I
terry’s
palmos
hab:,
I
I
I
got
was
terry’s
palmos
hab:,
two
hundred
terry’s
palmos
hab:
new
living
units,
terry’s
palmos
hab:,
have
been
built
under
the
old
rules:
terry’s
palmos
hab:
over
the
last
couple
of
years,
and
obviously
in
the
last
three
years,
or
the.
F
F
Terry’S
palmos,
hab:
and
and
the
question
I
had
was,
terry’s
palmos
hab:
and
I
know
it's
impossible
to
answer..
But
I
have
to
believe
that
by
eliminating
a
lot
of
the
barriers,-
and
I
don't
know
how
specific
we
get
into
that.-
is
that
the
goal
of
today's
discussion
to
talk
in
detail
about
the
barriers,.
F
Terry’S
palmos
hab:,
the
housing
costs
are
just
getting
more.
A
to
use
can
can
help
in
so
many
levels,,
whether
it's
additional
income,,
whether
it's
running
it
out
even
the
short-term
stuff,
which
I'm
not
totally
opposed
to..
It's
just
such
a
good
thing
on
so
many
levels,,
so
I
guess..
Of
course
I
support
it
in
every
way.
F
A
F
F
F
A
A
Michael
leccese
hab:,
I
think
these
six
measures
that
the
theing
advocates
I
mentioned
are
all
worth
considering.
We
could
adopt
them.
A
A
A
A
Michael
leccese,
hab:
again,,
following
that
michael
leccese,
hab:,
the
lead,
in
a
way
of
what
transportation
advisory
board
did
on
west
pearl
recently,
they
sent
a
very
detailed
when
I'm
always
counsel
for
preference
for
some
good
analysis,
and
then
really
got
an
immediate
recommendations..
I
I
think
that's
what
we
as
have,
or
are
charged
to
do
in..
I
should
say.
A
terry’s
palmos
hab:,
I
totally
agree.,
um!
and
and
I've
got
a
feeling,
we're
going
to
say
that,,
and
I
think
these
fixed
recommendations
provide
a
good
guideline..
I
think
some
of
them
are
good
the
way
they
are..
I
have
a
few
questions
about
some
of
them.,
maybe
jay
or
the
the
presenters
can
maybe
answer.
F
N
N
N
Philip
ogren
(he/him):
is
kind
of
another
narrative.,
in
addition
to
c.
you,
being
a
poor
neighbor,
perhaps,
is
another
narrative,
that's
competing.,
but
another
narrative
is
that
there's
a
lot
of
vacancy
in
this
town
with
anti
bedrooms,
and
you
know,
nearly
empty
houses,
and
I
think
an
interesting
thought
exercise
is.,
just
think
about
like
well,.
If
every
bedroom
had
somebody
in
it,.
N
Philip
ogren
(he/him):
what
what?,
philip
ogren,
(he/him):
what?
the
housing
situation
be
like,
and
I
know
that's
that's
just
a
thought:
exercise.,
but
um!.
The
the
fact
that
we've
sort
of
normalized
one
or
two
people
living
in
very
large
houses
by
themselves,,
you
know..
I
don't
want
to
take
away
people's,
ability
to
have
choices
and
to
age
in
place.,
but
I
I
do.
I
would
like,.
N
N
N
Philip
ogren
(he/him):
ads
provide
a
way
for
for
people
to
to
live
in
these
established
neighborhoods
that
have
a
lot
of
organic
networks
and
resilience.
um,.
You
know,
when
I
think
about
resilient
neighborhoods.
ah!
having
people
of
diverse
backgrounds,,
diverse
economic,
ah!,
of
abilities
of
housing,,
market,,
purchasing
power,
ah!
or
rental
ah!
abilities
to
pay
rental.
N
N
N
N
N
N
A
Michael
leccese
hab:
um,
thank
you,,
philip.
um,.
I
I
would.
well,.
We
can
talk
about
this
more..
I
think
I
I
would
consider
the
have
members
to
be
very
pra
to
you
for
all
reasons
you
just
stated.
um,,
but
we
can..
We
can
tease
that
as
we
continue
to
talk
about
it.,
so
johnny
gerssel
has
his
hand
up.
Q
Q
A
Q
John
gerstle:
well,,
I
I
if
we
go
through
the
if
we
go,
for
example,
through
the
letter
that
ah,
that
kathleen
sent,
and
which
I
think
is,
is
very
good
and
clear..
Um.
Q
A
A
A
A
Michael
leccese
hab:,
where
there
are
exceptions,
michael
leccese
hab:,
but
I
think
that
could
also
be
true
in
the
saturation
limits,,
where
there
are
some
limited
areas
where
they
should
continue
to
be
considered.,
but
for
a
lot
of
the
city
it
just
wouldn't
be
an
issue
because
it's
fairly
spread
out.,
you
know
most
of
the
world
is
post-war
submarine.
Development.-
it's
not.
A
Q
B
B
B
A
N
N
N
N
Philip
ogren
(he/him)::
we
need
to
provide
a
lot
more
options
for
people
who
don't
want
to
live
with
a
car
to
to
help.
minimize
carbon
footprint.,
so
yeah,,
maybe
part
of
it,
is
just
normalizing
the
the
fact
that
you
know,,
if
you're
going
to
build
an
ad
you
here,.
F
F
A
F
A
A
F
R
N
N
N
N
N
Philip
ogren
(he/him):
well,
yeah,,
just
just
referring
to
her
data,,
basically
saying
that
people
people
actually
it.
it.
Wasn't
it
wasn't:.
I
guess
this
is..
I
never
mind
this.
This
isn't
hypothetical
in
here,
either.,
it
says.
only
city
staff
have
the
data
tools.
um,,
I'm
sorry,
I'm
kind
of
rambling.
A
Michael
leccese
hab:.
What,
if
we're
going
to
recommend
a
fairly
extended
pilot
of
removing
saturation
limits,
say
two
years
kind
of
re-examine,
the
evidence
and
see
if
it
needs
some
tweaking
at
that
point.
F
A
N
N
A
B
B
B
B
A
B
A
A
N
Philip
ogren
(he/him):
requirement.
exemptions
are
the
ones
that
are
the
most
walkable
and
closest
to
the
university
and
other
places
of
employment.
Where
walking.
Actually
isn't,
you
know,,
walking
and
biking,
and
not
not
not
driving
everywhere
is
is
actually
an
option..
So
I
think
we
ought
to
encourage.
A
Michael
leccese
hab:
again.,
oh,,
john,
please.
Q
Q
B
Terry’S
palmos
hab:
there
she
at
best,.
F
F
F
A
N
N
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
Cob
jay
sugnet:,
all
right.,
so
cob
jay
sugnet:
do..
Does
everybody
want
me
to
try
to
repeat
that.
B
B
A
A
O
N
B
Cob
jay
sugnet:
back
in
two
thousand
and
eighteen.
it's
in
the
memo.
N
B
R
R
R
A
A
R
A
A
N
N
N
N
F
F
F
F
Terry’S
palmos
hab:
you
know,
parking
and
and
whatnot..
If
there's
no
parking
in
these
neighborhoods,
people
aren't
going
to
build
a
to
use,
and
if
they
build
them,
they're
going
to
random
people..
We
don't
have
cars
because
they
can't
park
their
car
there,.
So
why
are
they
going
to
rent
the
place.?
If,
if
they
don't
have
a
parking
space,,
they
know
they
can
not
be
able
to
park
there
so
that
they'll
naturally
gonna
go
to
people
who
don't
have
cars,
and
that's
great.
F
F
A
A
A
A
N
A
B
B
B
B
B
B
F
F
B
F
F
B
F
F
F
A
A
F
A
A
Michael
leccese
hab:
that
could
support
michael
leccese
hab:,
one
of
our
other
michael
leccese
hab:
have
goals,,
which
is
to
address
missing
middle
housing..
You
had
larger
apartments.,
you
might
get
the
single
parent
living
with
a
kid.
for
example,.
It
could
provide
some
family
housing..
There
may
be
some
other
benefits
that
we're
talking
about.
F
F
F
N
Philip
ogren
(he/him):
uh,
or
allow
a
special
allowances
for
affordable.
and
it
seems
like
this,,
you
know,.
If
someone
were
to
complain
about
oh,
now,
you're
just
giving
the
parking
requirement
away
because
you
didn't
make
it
affordable..
I
think
a
nice
retort
would
be.
well,
we've.
We
have
this
extra
incentive,
for
if
you
want
to
make
an
affordable.
N
F
B
Cob
jay
sugnet:,
no
basements,
do.
B
B
N
B
F
F
O
Terry’S
palmos
hab:
yeah.,
but
if
the
atu
is
in
the
basement,
we
would
count
that
floor.
Area.
O
F
A
F
F
F
F
Terry’S
palmos
hab:
yeah,.
It
is
a
make
four
area
measurement.,
that's
I
was
at
it,
or
maybe
updated.,
you
might
know
more
of
those
details,,
but
it's
in
the
adu
regulation..
So
we
actually
measure
floor
area
in
a
different
way
for
a
to
use
than
we
do
any
other
part
of
the
code,
and
that's
something.
That's
come
up
pretty
frequently
with
all
kinds
of
stakeholders
as
something
that's
confusing,
and
makes
the
process.
F
F
F
F
F
F
A
F
A
Michael
leccese
hab:
innovative
idea
that
could
increase
the
kind
of
diversity
and
flexibility
of
the
types
of
eight
years
that
are
built
to
accommodate
different
types
of
tenants..
F
A
Philip
ogren
(he/him):
okay?
well,,
I'm
going
to.
what
did
I??
What
did
I??
What
did
I
miss??
I'm
sorry.
my
internet
freaked
out
on
me,,
and
I
had
to
really
want
to
be
connected.
A
A
N
Philip
ogren
(he/him):
um!
one
one
thought
I
had.
that
sounds
great.
um!
one
thought
I
had
about
a
a
recommendation
that
was
related
to
this
conversation
is
lisa's
comment
about
the
special
rules
for
measuring
square
footage
for
a
to
use.
um,.
Maybe
a
recommendation
would
be
to
eliminate
that
or
just,
you
know,
standardize
it
to
the
way.
N
N
O
N
Philip
ogren
(he/him):,
so
I
thought,
was
a
surprising
answer,
because
I,
but
what
you
just
told
me
makes
us
makes
me
think
it
should
have
sort
of
made
it
easier
for
pdu
builders
rather
than
more
difficult..
O
Lisa
houde,
cob:
no,.
I
think
it's
pretty
unique
to
that
specific
type
of
construction
to
give
that
exemption
to
be
able
to
measure
that
way.
um!,
and
I
think
that
the
five
hundred
and
fifty
square,
one
square
foot
limit,
especially
for
detached,
is
a
challenge,,
because
we
all
the
definition,
also
includes
all
of
the
egress.
so,.
As
I
was
saying,
before,.
O
Philip
ogren
(he/him):,
you
know,,
if
you're
going
to
build
a
unit
on
top
of
a
garret
like
above
a
garage.,
you
have
to
include
all
the
space
tape
like
up
the
stairway
to
get
there.,
and
so
that's
not
really
space.
That's
used
by
the
eighty
year,
necessarily.,
but
um.
so
yeah,,
it's
it's
kind
of
quirks
of
the
down..
It
seems
like
it
seems
like
it
cuts
both
ways,,
so
it
it
makes
it
easier
for
the
people
building.
The
straw,
bale
walls.
N
A
B
B
B
N
N
N
F
F
A
O
O
Lisa
houde,
cob:
for
their
count
towards
the
edu.,
so
I
would
say
that.
um!,
that's
the
main
issue.,
it's
also
very
just
difficult
to
read,
and
it's
different
than
people
do
with
any
other
kind
of
instruction..
So,
just
generally,
like
user
friendliness
is
the
issue.
um..
But
in
relation
to
the
basement
floor,
area,
one
question
I
would
pose
is,:
does
that
mean
that?
an
attached
unit??
So
it's
something
that's
in
the
basement
like
a
basement
unit,.
Would
you
say
that
that's
a
zero
square,
foot?.
F
F
O
O
Terry’S
palmos
hab:,
so
in
the
case
of
the
four
that
needed
the
variance,,
they
were
existing
structures
that
had
a
basement
that
they
were
turning
into
an
edu..
Most
of
them
were
related
to
having
to
include
the
stairway
in
the
their
floor,
area.
calculation..
It
was
the
reason
why
they
went
over
that
thousands
per
foot
for
the.
F
F
F
A
A
A
A
A
Michael
leccese
hab:,
michael
leccese,
hab:
detached
or
two
detached
eighty-s
per
parcel.
You
know
someone
who
has
an
attached
edu
and
the
potential
to
do
another.
One
say
by
comparing
our
garage.
I'm.,
certainly.
A
G
N
Philip
ogren
(he/him):
people
who
are
less
inclined
to
be
excited
by
a
to
to
kind
of
be
poking
them
in
the
eye..
I
don't
know
um,
so
I'm..
I
am
a
little
worried
that
it
might
be
less
less
popular.
N
N
R
A
Michael
leccese,
hab:
elaborate.
F
Terry’S
palmos
hab:
oh,
terry’s,
palmos
hab:,
I
mean
I,
I
think
this
could
be
abused,.
You
know
you
could
all
of
a
sudden
start
getting
an
ad
in
the
basement,
and
then
two
ads,
you
know,
detached,.
You
know
you
can
get..
You
can
turn
what
I
think..
The
concept
of
an
a.
to
us
is
primary
home,
and
then
a
smaller
living
unit
in
the
back
room
of
the
graduate,.
F
F
F
N
N
A
A
Michael
leccese
hab:
michael
leccese,
hab:
sizing,
it,
or
philip
ogren
(he/him):.
How
does
it
affect
occupancy?,
perhaps.
A
A
A
A
A
Michael
leccese
hab:
any
other
comments
about
m.
six.
F
A
C
N
F
Terry’S
palmos
hab:
well,
no
number
six
is
that,
but
I'm
suggesting
something
else.,
I'm
suggesting
that
in
addition
to
it,
number
six,,
where
we
don't
have
a
two-step
process,
and
it's
a
one-step
process
in
the
world
of
of
just
so.
Maybe
I'm
suggesting
a
number
seven.
that
says
eighty.
you
have
a
streamline
process.
F
A
A
Michael
leccese
hab:,
you
kind
of
determined
a
lot
of
the
parameters
of
the
design.
F
F
F
Terry’S
palmos
hab:
all
that
lisa
houde,
cob:.
The
two-step
process
in
that
number
six.
item
is
because
the
edu
has
to
be
approved
as
an
administrative,
review.
first,,
so
they
go
through,
and
that
goes
to
multiple
reviewers.
as
well,
people
get
comments,
back,
and
one
of
the
challenges
and
things
we've
heard,
but
the
two-step
review
is,
that.
O
Lisa
houde,
cob::
it's
not
a
full
review
like
a
building,
permit
review
would
be,,
and
so
they
might
get
their
eightyu
approved.
and
then,
once
they
get
into
that
full
building,
permit
process.,
oh,,
there's
a
building
code
issue
that
we
didn't
know
about
um.,
and
so
it's
just
it's
challenging
to
have
them
separated
like
that..
So
that's
what.,.
G
O
O
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
A
A
A
Cob
jay
sugnet:,
you
know
that's
what
you
have
an
architect
for..
I
hope
you
get
through
that
process.,
but
we
do..
I
think
we
do
want
to
recommend
something
like
the
process.
and
I
do
understand
that
terry's
comment
about
picking
from
a
pattern
both
the
pre-affirmed
designs..
That's
a
separate
recommendation.
A
N
N
B
A
B
A
N
B
B
O
A
N
N
N
N
Philip
ogren
(he/him):
that
we
should
consider
is
that
is
that
something
that's
allowed
now?
or
has
it??
Has
it
been
done,
as
have
there
been
any
eighty-s?
that
weren't
just
a
custom,
one-off,
a
custom,
construction
job
on
site.
O
B
B
A
A
Michael
leccese
hab:
intending
to
manufacture
like
really
cool-looking
any
use
that
can
be
craned
into
a
site..
You
know
not
what
you
would
think
of
with
manufacture
nothing
at
all,,
but
something
very
sleek
and
modular,.
You
know.!
You
don't
want
to
forego
the
possibility
of
that
type
of
product
coming
to
boulder..
A
F
F
B
F
F
A
Michael
leccese,
hab:
housing,
advocates.
ah,,
tweak,
it,
and
kind
of
personalize
it
to
have
based
on
our
really
good
discussion
tonight..
I
really
appreciate
this.
This
dialogue
we've
had,
and
bring
that
forth
as
a
draft
recommendation.
A
B
B
B
B
Cob
jay
sugnet:,
that's
going
on
october,
twenty,,
seventh.,
cob,
jay,
sugnet:,
um,
and
then.
B
B
A
A
A
Michael
leccese
hab:,
we
had
a
lot
of
public
participation
for
the
second
month
in
a
row,
which
I'm
very
pleased,.
I
think
what
we
have
is
getting
a
stronger
pulse
on
the
on
the
community's
radar,
and
that's
a
good
thing
for
us.
um!.
The
a
do
discussion
was
great..
I
I
will
try
to
summarize
it
in
a.