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C
Okay,
yeah,
okay.
Regarding
last
night,
the
the
council
was
entertaining
a
ballot
measure
that
we
should
effectively
pay
through
the
city.
We
can
give
loans
for
permanently
affordable
housing
through
restricted
deeds.
You
know
deed
stuff
and
that's
a
concern
for
me
because
affordable
housing,
the
demand
for
affordable
housing
is
so
high
because
we
allow
such
high-end
housing
in
Boulder
in
the
senior
community,
the
example
311
Mapleton.
C
That's
gonna
be
all
office
complex
and
they
have
the
audacity
to
brag
that
they
are
serving
as
office
space,
and
this
is
the
opposite
of
jobs,
housing
for
the
housing,
that's
down
the
street
on
21st
and
23rd
pearl,
that's
2
million.
You
know
luxury
apartments.
This
is
not
okay
and
you've
got
to
do
something
about
it.
I
don't
envy
your
job,
but
you
got
to
do
something
strong
about
this.
To
stop
the
problem.
Otherwise,
you're
going
to
be
chasing
the
tail,
the
dog,
the
tail
can't
do
that.
C
The
same
thing:
the
same
situation,
they're
asking
to
put
all
this
affordable
housing
and
this
density
in
the
center
of
town
in
the
most
expensive
part,
which
is
not
the
best
use.
It
will
get
many
more
units
outside
in
the
perimeter
of
the
city
that
the
center
of
Boulder
that
the
East
the
north-south
corridor
on
Broadway
is
too
constrained.
We
cannot
flood
it
with
more
the
hotel
on
the
hill
that'll
add
to
it.
It
can't
be
done,
no
density
on
Alpine
I
mean
50
and
they
took
away
the
lowest.
That's
not
okay,.
A
F
F
F
So
it's
just
really
nice
to
see
the
board's
evolving
so
I'm
here
to
talk
about
the
traffic
plan
for
Alpine
balsam
I've
been
on
4th
and
4:27
24th
Street
for
since
76
I
met
with
Steve
Pomerance,
who
was
on
the
City
Council
for
ten
years
and
Alan
Aaron
Brockett
once
to
speak
about
this
too,
and
we
went
through
the
traffic
plan
and
there
are
some
discrepancies
and
problems
with
it
that
we
see
I.
Think
one
of
the
reasons
is
because
the
project
is
evolving
and
the
facts.
The
traffic
people
had
in
the
beginning
are
changing.
F
It's
like
a
living
document,
one
of
the
major
miscalculations
in
and
isn't
the
plan
is
that
they've
only
done
one
hour
traffic
studies
in
the
morning
and
in
the
evening
for
commuters,
and
we
know
that
people
have
flex
schedules
and
it's
more
like
two
hours
in
the
morning
and
evening.
I'd
like
to
get
it
down
better
by
the
traffic
study
people
after
our
meeting
also,
they
didn't
really
get
a
good
count
on
the
evolving
issue
of
city
and
county
workers
living
there
or
working
there,
and
we
know
that
they
come
in
and
out
all
day.
F
The
the
future
projection
of
this
you
know,
I
took
have
a
business.
3
I
took
statistics,
it's
based
on,
you
know,
past
use
and
stuff,
and
it's
always,
you
know
not
exact
and
their
future
projections
of
the
traffic.
That's
going
to
be
there
in
the
next
ten
years
is
based
on
the
past
growth
and
it's
wrong
because
we're
putting
a
lot
more
density
and
talking
more
density
for
iris
for
Alpine,
so
the
traffic
growth
is
going
to
be
greater
than
what
they're
saying
in
ten
years.
F
F
The
other
thing
was
now
it's
coming
up
on
a
ballot.
This
council
said
last
night
about
voting
on
deed
restrictions
and
for
people
that
are
going
to
provide
affordable
housing
and,
if
we
get
say
200,
300
deed,
restricted
units
in
our
neighborhood,
we're
gonna,
that's
gonna,
be
more
density
and
more
working
cars
coming
through
that
aren't
counted
in.
So
that's
part
of
the
future
component.
F
A
G
G
A
I
also
wanted
to
take
one
moment
to
thank
Jeff
Egan,
our
former
staff
liaison,
so
he's
been
switched
out.
J
segment
will
be
our
staff
liaison
officially
going
forward
so
welcome
Jay.
Thank
you.
I
know,
you've
been
with
us
multiple
times,
but
welcome
aboard
hope,
you're
ready
for
the
ride
and
with
that
being
said,
we'll
move
into
the
Alpine
balsam
area
plan
staff
update
and
take
it
away.
Jean
great.
H
So
again
it
really
appreciate
board
members
coming
out
and
talking
with
members
of
the
community
at
our
at
our
events,
and
so
I
know
that
probably
a
number
of
you
will
be
a
little
more
familiar
with
some
of
the
materials
I
brought
some
I'm
just
going
to
go
over
it
at
a
high
level.
Since
we
did
talk
about
this
and
Danny
I'm.
Sorry,
you're
you're
gonna
do
a
quick
up
to
speed
on
this
project.
H
And
what
we've
been
looking
at
for
the
area
plan
are
opportunities
for
housing
in
the
area:
I'll
just
refresh
asan
our
goals
and
objectives
for
the
area
plan
again
around
land
use
urban
design,
public
realm
public
spaces,
local
government
services,
access
mobility,
sustainability
and
housing.
Our
housing
objectives
include
creating
that
diverse
and
affordable
housing,
with
a
variety
of
housing
types,
sizes,
prices,
balancing
market
rate
and
permanently
affordable
youth
units
and
also
serving
various
community
needs.
H
So
our
discussion
tonight,
we'd
like
to
get
your
feedback
and
I
know
that
several
of
you
of
it
that
we're
at
the
community
events
also
have
seen
the
materials
and
probably
we're
asking
those
community
members
and
hearing
responses
about
some
of
these
questions
as
well.
So
what
we
intend
to
do
is
part
of
the
schedule
is
that
the
the
council
and
the
Planning
Board
reviewed
the
options
and
components
of
the
of
the
plan
that
were
we
shared
in
June.
H
We've
shared
those
options
and
components
with
community
members,
we're
getting
a
lot
of
feedback,
really
good
conversations
and
good
discussions
with
folks
at
the
three
different
events
that
we
held
as
open
houses.
We've
also
held
a
couple
of
walking
tours
that
were
more
focused
on
the
connections
plan
and
we
have
feedback
coming
in
on
the
be
heard
folder
online
website
through
tomorrow,
so
and
similar
to
the
feedback
that
we've
received
all
along
through
this
process.
H
We
have
a
lot
of
mixed
few
points
and
not
really
clear
preferences
all
the
way
around,
so
we're
gonna,
but
but
we've
had
really
very
thoughtful
feedback
from
folks
too.
So
we'll
be
summarizing
that
for
our
decision
makers
as
that's
moving
forward,
all
of
that
feedback
is
serving
to
what
we
were.
What
we
were
asked
to
do
is
develop
a
recommended
draft
plan
and
it
will
be
back
to
the
Planning
Board
and
the
council
with
a
draft
plan
in
August
and
so
we're
seeking
feedback
from
the
housing
advisory
board.
H
Members
similar
questions
about
that
around
the
housing
policies
and
components
of
this
plan,
both
for
the
hospital
redevelopment
site
and
for
the
area
around
it.
So
opportunities
for
announcing
the
site
properties
in
the
area
and
I
think
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
this
and
I'm
happy
to
talk
some
more
about
it
about
this.
We're
still
we've
been
asked
to
keep
on
the
table
this
option
of
boulder
county
relocating
from
there
iris
and
broadway
campus
to
alpine
balsam.
H
It
has
an
implication
on
the
amount
of
housing
that
we
can
achieve
at
alpine
balsam,
but
then,
presumably
there
would
be
an
opportunity
for
redevelopment
of
housing
at
iris
many
factors
that
have
to
be
determined
with
that.
But
we
are
asking
folks
about
the
appropriateness
of
that
and
what
what
factors?
We
might
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
considering
if
there's
some
criteria
as
this
is
moving
forward,
and
then
I
think
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
this
last
time
as
well
of
well.
H
What
some
of
the
needs
are
in
the
coming
years,
as
we
do
more
work
so
but
again,
I
think
that
it's
the
area
plan
and
to
is
to
set
intention
about
what
happens,
and
so,
if
there's
advice
from
the
board
around
some
of
those
affordability
types
that
we
might
want
to
include.
So
as
we
discussed,
we
walked
through
these
last
month,
the
we
had
five
different
options
that
we
shared
with
the
Planning
Board
and
council
that
had
different
emphasis
for
land
uses
and
different
ways.
H
Relocation
on
the
table
and
I'll
amend
what
I
said
a
minute
ago
about
some
of
the
community
feedback.
I
will
say
that
in
the
four
areas
are
not
on
the
site.
For
the
some
of
the
questions
around
emphasizing
conversion
of
some
of
the
non-residential,
the
existing
non-residential
areas
to
housing
or
to
mixed-use,
there
is
a
more
of
a
preference
on
the
mixed-use
part
of
what
we're
hearing
from
community
members.
H
Let's
see
so
we
have
some
different
land
use
options.
I
left
some
of
the
copies
I
didn't
do
one
packet
for
everybody,
because
I
know
some
of
you
are
pretty
familiar
with
these
some
of
the
materials
that
we've
had
at
the
community
events
that
spell
out
what
each
of
those
options
are
and
there's
a
there's,
an
at-a-glance,
that's
also
with
the
land
use
options.
H
The
colors
there's
more
definition
in
your
booklets
about
talking
about
what
those
land
uses
are
and
what
they
might
look
like.
Clearly,
it's
a
range
of
different
unit
types,
what
they
might
look
like,
even
within
those
ranges,
so
options
for
the
site.
The
question
to
the
board
is
how
to
best
address,
affordable
housing
goals
regarding
opportunities
on
the
site.
H
Four
and
then
the
other
option
was
a
little
bit.
Higher
density
was
just
the
mix
of
the
high
density
residential,
two
and
three
with
three
to
four
story:
stack
flats
and
then
the
question
about
the
county,
and
so
really
the
difference
about
housing
is
the
more
housing
there.
Is
there
the
more
opportunity
we
have
for
affordable
housing
and
some
of
meeting
the
an
affordable
housing
program
or
project
within
those
options
within?
And
we
can
bounce
back
to
these
once
we
have
the
discussion
to
options
in
the
area.
H
That's
about
how
do
I
best
address
affordable
housing
goals
in
some
of
the
other
areas
that
are
just
on
the
surrounding
the
hospital
redevelopment
site?
So
we've
been
asking
about
the
neighborhood
center
and
again
a
clarifying
and
Cory
just
asked
to,
because
we
had
a
lot
of
questions
from
community
members
like
what
we
don't
want,
the
retail
center
to
go
to
go
away.
And,
of
course
not.
We
don't
it's
a
highly
valuable
neighborhood
center
as
depicted
in
our
comp
plan.
H
But
our
component
also
gives
us
the
direction
for
all
of
our
neighborhood
centers
throughout
town
that
are
single
use,
retail,
with
a
lot
of
parking
to
be
evaluating
those
over
time
for
opportunities
for
mixed-use
and
opportunities
to
add
housing,
the
south
of
Alpine,
so
just
south
of
the
hospital
redevelopment
site
some
opportunities.
Some
of
that
is
currently
housing
that
we
would
encourage
to
stay
and
some
of
it
is
non-residential
uses.
Then
we
want
to
just
evaluate
as
to
how
those
might
evolve
over
time
and
then
along
Broadway,
especially
south
of
North
Street.
H
If,
if
the
board
is
would
like
to
discuss
prioritizing
the
any
of
the
heart
heart
to
meet
needs
are
the
types
of
affordable
housing
that
we
would
be
seeking
really
more
on
the
site,
because
we
know
that
redevelopment
of
private
property
in
the
area
over
time
would
likely
be
meeting
meeting
the
affordable
housing
through
the
inclusionary
housing
program,
either
by
twenty
percent.
Twenty
to
twenty-five
percent
on-site
or
through
the
cash
in
lieu,
and
so
next
steps.
As
I
mentioned.
H
We
anticipate
the
public
hearings
and
feedback
from
the
Planning
Board
and
Council
in
August,
and
then
tentatively
scheduled
to
turn
around
for
adoption
of
a
final
plan
in
later
September
and
locked
up
early
October.
So
we're
back
to
our
questions
and
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
from
the
important.
A
H
So
know
what
we're
anticipating
is
that
the
city
would
renovate
that
medical
office
pavilion
that's
at
the
corner,
so
all
of
the
options
assume
that
the
city
city
service
center
would
be
relocated
at
the
medical
office
pavilion
if
the
county
just
relocates
with
on
the
site,
it
would
be
in
some
configuration
and
we're
doing
some
work
with
with
the
county
staff
and
with
some
of
the
consultants
to
better
understand.
You
know
they
have
a
sizable
space
need,
and
so
it
displaces
we
think
somewhere
around
a
hundred
the
potential
for
around
100
units
plus
or
minus.
H
A
B
B
If
somebody,
if
a
developer,
wanted
to
build
more
than
20%,
they
had
to
go
to
planning
board
site
review
and
I
understand
that
in
the
discussion
of
opportunity
zones
they
might
eliminate
that
and
it
would
I
want
to
know
whether
that
would
affect
Alpine
Bossin,
so
that
a
developer
could
come
in
and
say
no
I
want
to
do
a
hundred
percent
DL
use
and
not
have
to
do
a
site
review
for
that
they're
planning
on
changing
this.
What
was
discussed
in
that
so.
I
B
Okay,
thank
you,
then.
My
other
question
is
about
the
traffic
impact
study
as
Geno's
I.
She
gave
me
the
copy
of
the
traffic
impact
study
to
read
and
to
study,
and
when
I
got
home,
I
saw
that
it
only
went
to
page
28
when
there
were
52
pages
and
then
I
looked
on
the
city
council
packet,
what
they
got
and
they
only
got
up
to
page
28
and
then
Jean
referred
me
to
another
site.
B
H
Full
traffic
study
is
now
on
the
website.
There
are
a
few
hundred
more
pages
than
the
initial.
Typically,
we
share
with
decision-makers
and
the
community
that
the
meet
of
the
report
and
the
and
then
the
summary
of
the
key
findings
and
then
all
of
the
charts
and
all
of
the
engineering
and
all
of
the
analysis.
We
we
typically
don't
really
it's
it's
hundreds
of
pages,
but
it
is
available
on
the
website
for
folks
that
want
to
view
that
now
could.
H
B
K
Gene
the
question
for
you
just
first
to
go
back
to
the
traffic
study,
because
there
was
another
point
of
kind
of
clarification
on
and
I
think
that
I've
been
hearing
about
from
community
members.
The
draft
status
that
was
on
it
is
there.
Is
it
a
final
status?
Now?
Do
you,
because
that
was
throwing
a
lot
of
people
there
saying?
Oh,
this
is
just
a
draft,
so
we
don't
really
know
what's
going
on
well.
H
It
is
it's
the
analysis
that
we
have
to
date
and
and
I
think
one
of
the
speakers
mentioned.
You
know
these
things
take
a
while,
so
we
had
to
provide
a
certain
range
of
assumptions
for
them
to
test
my
at
the
moment,
we
are
not
anticipating
having
that
redone.
The
options
that
we
have
on
the
table
are
still
within
those
early
assumptions.
K
Okay,
thanks
yeah
I
just
want
to
get
a
little
understanding
of
clarity
on
that.
The
other
question
I
think
follows
on
one
that
Terry
or
I
think
was
Terry
had
about
the
the
county's
offices.
If
they
were
to
bring
County
services
to
the
site,
it
would
displace
a
certain
amount
of
square
footage
so
that
we
would
have
available
for
let's
say
residential.
K
H
H
We
have
a
approach
that
we
had
tested
around
the
general
Improvement
District,
with
reduced
parking,
shared
parking
for
both
the
city
service
uses
and
the
housing,
especially
because
there's
a
potential
for
some
for
more
sharing
because
of
the
day-night
aspect
of
that
we
had
direction
all
along
for
not
constructing
more
parking
on
the
site,
and
so
we're
not
entirely
sure
how
that
would
work
if
the
county's
there
as
well.
It
would
if
the
city
in
the
county
can
share
the
the
existing
parking
structure.
H
K
The
other
one
last
one
I
have
for
you
is
on
you
just
made
a
mention
of
the
mixed
use
in
the
kind
of
other
areas
of
the
area
plan.
Not
just
you
know
at
the
site,
and
so
is
that
just
to
be
clear
on
that
also
for
myself.
Basically
we're
saying
if
we
can
get
some
mixed-use
there
or
bringing
some
housing
in
with
some
retail
or
commercial
of
some
sort
whatever
that
is,
and
it
essentially
is
going
to
improve
our
walkability
capabilities
in
the
neighborhood.
Is
that
the
reason
for
that
well.
H
There's
some
of
that
I
mean
there
are
so
there
are
a
lot
of
opportunities
in
the
area
in
places
where
we
have
big
parking
lots
buildings
that
are
very
setback
as
when
we
can
define
some
of
the
mixed-use
types
over
time
can
be
brought
up.
A
little
closer,
have
a
better
sidewalk
street
feel
better
pedestrian
environment.
H
L
You
brought
up
a
question
jack
about
parking
and
I
was
curious
in
each
of
these
scenarios.
What
the
parking
impacts
look
like
for
the
neighborhood
as
I
know
that
that
was
an
issue
that
I've
been
hearing
from
people
that
live
in
that
area,
they're
concerned
about
overflow
parking
from
a
lot
of
development,
either
whether
it's
mixed-use
or
housing
that
that
that
was
an
issue,
people
who
lived
there
a
long
time.
That
was
an
issue
when,
when
it
was
a
hospital,
there
was
overflow
parking
into
the
streets
in
the
neighborhood.
L
H
So
our
direction
has
been
to
apply
this
advanced
mobility
strategies,
the
strategy
about
reduced
parking
requirements,
the
more
shared
parking
and
also
to
utilize
the
it's.
It's
an
approach
that
we've
that
we
use
successfully
in
Boulder
junction
and
in
the
down
town
based
on
parking
utilization
data
for
those
types
of
residential
uses
and
the
mixed
uses
that
we
have
in
those
places,
as
I
mentioned,
that
the
parking
is
shared,
unbundled,
managed
and
paid.
H
H
Okay
side
mitigation,
as
I
mentioned,
we've
spent
a
lot
of
time
studying
what
the
potential
options
might
be
to
improve
to
address
more
of
the
100-year
flood
in
the
area.
We
study
groundwater
and
we
were
considering
potential
mitigation
at
North,
Boulder
Park.
What
we
found
is
that
the
groundwater
in
North,
Boulder
Park,
is
like
that
far
from
the
surface,
and
so
it's
like
right
there,
that's
the
technical
term
and
so
going
digging
down
to
be
able
to
create
some
of
that.
A
detention
is
not
going
to
be
feasible.
H
Well,
we
went
into
that
study
thinking
the
criteria
of
working
with
it
to
further
assess
those
options
would
be.
It
has
to
stay
a
great
park
as
I
mean
it's
a
wonderful
park
and
we
have
to
maintain
the
uses
that
are
there
maintaining
the
trees
and
not
not
it
not
adversely
impacted,
and
so
what
we
found
is
without
being
able
to
go
down.
You
have
to
go
up
and
to
be
able
to
get
a
sufficient
amount
of
detention
to
make
a
project
worthwhile
to
at
least
address
like
half
of
the
potential
hundred-year
floods.
H
H
We're
not
going
to
be
able
to
address
a
wider
impact,
but
we
can't
make
things
worse
and
we
have
to
address
the
the
flood
footprint
on
the
site
so
with
the
deconstruction
and
some
grading
we'll
be
able
to
adjust
that
100-year
flood
area
to
a
conveyance
area
at
the
north
part
of
the
site.
But
it
still
is
going
to
take
up
a
pretty
significant
amount
of
space
because
it's
gonna,
be
you
know
not
in
a
culvert
we've
had
the
direction
to
have
the
flood
mitigation
be
above
ground,
so
it'll
be
a
landscaped
designed
conveyance
zone.
H
It
will
mean
that
there's
quite
there
will
be
a
sizeable
setback
from
balsam
we're
trying
to
assess.
If,
if
we
keep
the
existing
trees
or
how
those
are
incorporated
in
that
kind
of
design,
at
this
point
at
the
area
plan
process,
its
we're
still
pretty
high
level
we're
not
doing
the
very
specific
design
for
that,
so
it'll
it'll
be
we're
estimating.
H
At
this
point,
the
most
conservative
is
about
a
hundred
100-foot
conveyance
area,
so
it
it
may
impact
some
of
the
projections
for
housing
and
for
a
developable
land
that
we
have
at
this
point
by
bringing
those
down
just
a
little
bit.
But
that's
that's
the
approach
that
we'll
be,
including
in
the
area
plan,
with
a
recommendation
for
flood
mitigation.
Is
that
answered
the
question.
D
H
G
Trying
to
get
up
to
speed,
so
my
apologies
remit
in
the
wheel
at
all,
but
so
as
I
understand
it,
this
option
D
is
the
one
that
would
encompass.
That's
the
only
one
out
of
these
four
that
would
encompass
both
city
and
possibly
County
facilities
on
the
site.
So
I
guess
my
question
kind
of
you
know
with
some
interest
the
notion
of
bringing
the
county
in
and
then
having
that
option.
G
H
Up
in
the
air,
there
are
a
lot
of
factors,
so
you
know
at
a
high
level
thinking
that
the
17
acres,
that
the
county
has
is
a
lot
more
space
for
housing
than
the
potential
for
the
couple
acres
trade
that
they
needed
alpine
right.
G
H
I
think
seven
of
those
are
the
ball
fields.
There
are
a
couple
of
structures
that
are
over
50
years
old,
some
with
significant
historic
value.
There's
some
fun
flood
implications
up
there
too,
and
of
course,
we'd
have
to
talk
about
appropriate
density
and
develop
ability
and
compatibility
with
the
neighborhood.
So
many
factors
understand.
A
M
M
We'll
see.
I
would
like
to
make
a
statement
about
the
parking
I
used
to
live
on
the
hill
and
neighborhood
parking
eventually
made
it
out
to
our
house
on
9th
Street,
and
we
could
no
longer
park
in
front
of
our
house.
I
have
real
questions
about
neighborhood
parking,
especially
if
you're
going
to
attack
us
for
it,
but
this
concept
that
I
want
you
to
think
about,
as
I
was
sitting
at
bread
work
this
afternoon.
Looking
at
our
wonderful
mountains
and
thinking
in
a
couple
of
years,
I
might
not
be
able
to
see
those
anymore.
M
M
The
plants
that
you
guys
are
working
with
are
making
the
assumption
that
I
can
ride.
My
bicycle
over
to
the
grocery
store,
get
some
groceries
and
go
home.
I'm,
certainly
not
going
to
be
able
to
afford
to
use
a
over
once
a
week
to
go
to
the
grocery
store.
I
can't
show
up
onto
a
bus
two
or
three
or
four
bags
of
groceries.
M
If
you're
gonna
charge
the
retail
to
park
there
and
then
you're
gonna
charge
the
customer,
they
have
a
parking
permit
to
go
there
you're
stepping
too
far
away
from
what
people
were
gonna
need
to
do
to
go
to
the
grocery
store.
I
want
you
to
think
about
that.
You
know
a
parking
plan
is
a
neighborhood
thing.
It's
a
retail
thing!
Thank
you.
A
H
Approach
for
the
general
Improvement
District
and
the
part
is
as
a
parking
district
at
first
would
not
expand
it
where
the
anticipation,
I'm,
sorry
I'm
stumbling
over
all
this.
The
initial
boundary
for
the
parking
district
would
just
be
the
redevelopment
site
this.
What
the
city
owns
and
then
we
would
be
exploring
the
potential
expansion
of
that
with
property
owners
with
redevelopment
over
time,
but
not
it
not
at
first.
A
H
E
It's
exciting,
with
respective
impacts
on
the
neighborhood
I
haven't,
studied
the
traffic
study
yet,
but
I
have
to
believe
that
any
of
these
options
are
less
impactful
than
a
full
service.
Fully
operational
hospital
was
for
so
many
years.
I,
don't
know
for
sure,
but
just
common
sense
tells
me
that,
no
matter
what
of
these
choices
happen
and
get
built,
it's
gonna
be
less
impactful
on
the
neighborhood.
E
Common
sense
perspective,
I
think
you
need
vertical
Broadway.
You
I
like
the
idea
of
consolidating
the
county
and
city
services
in
the
office,
medical
office,
medical
pavilion
and
I
think
there
should
be
housing
of
all
types
pretty
much
everywhere
else.
So
when
I
look
at
the
choices
that
are
here,
I
think
that's
kind
of
a
combination
of
a
and
D
so
emphasize
housing
with
the
civic
presence.
I
like.
E
E
H
A
And
I'll
take
the
opportunity
just
to
say
that
we're
not
making
a
formal
recommendation
to
Council
tonight,
just
so
everyone
knows
this
is
sort
of
a
getting
to
know
what
everyone's
feeling.
So
we
can
work
our
way
towards,
hopefully
a
recommendation.
That's
gonna
bring
most
of
the
board
together,
so
that's
just
where
we're
at
right
now.
This
is
a
get
your
feelings
out
on
the
table.
I
A
That
is
something
that
really
interests
me
a
lot
just
to
sort
of
spread
the
housing
out
even
more
in
a
way
so
I'm
interested
in
just
knowing
more
about
that
in
general,
and
if
we
could
get
that
before
we're
having
to
make
a
recommendation,
that
would
be
great,
obviously,
I
realized
the
timeline
is
constricted,
but
knowing
what
all
of
our
options
actually
are
before
we
have
to
make
a
recommendation
would
really
be
ideal.
In
my
mind,.
A
K
A
K
Is
that
really
the
best
space
to
be
from
a
transportation
perspective
and
accessibility
for
the
whole
city,
because
I
feel,
like
our
Center,
has
shifted
somewhat
and
that
in
combination
with
the
sixty
million
dollar
cost
for
a
remodel
on
that
building
seems
to
be
those
two
things
together
when
I
take
them
in
I'm
like?
Are
we
really
getting
what
it's
worth
there
and
now
you
know
I
go
back
and
forth
on
it.
Myself.
H
Yes
and
I
will
encourage
we're.
Gonna
have
the
accommodate
kind
of
combined
discussion
of
the
at
least
a
piece
of
the
facilities
master
planning,
work,
that'll
T
up
the
conversation
with
the
area
plan
with
the
council
on
the
27th,
so
well,
Michelle
and
and
her
team
will
be
addressing
a
lot
of
the
points
that
you're
making.
K
J
J
B
Fasten
your
seatbelts
first
of
all,
I
just
wanted
to
remind
all
of
us
and
I'm,
not
sure
if
J
and
gene
know
this,
but
anytime
hab
makes
it
gives
either
feedback
or
recommendations.
We
already
voted
on
a
whole
year
ago
that
we
want
to
see
how
we're
being
represented
first
before
that
feedback
goes
out
and
it
doesn't
require
a
meeting,
but
it
does
require
emailing
it
out
tests
and
I
sing.
It
and
I
don't
know
if
you
knew
that,
but
that's
what's
been
done
since
we
made
that
decision,
since
we
voted
on
that.
B
So
secondly,
I
will
be
specifically
addressing
your
questions,
but
I
have
a
few
other
comments
to
make.
First
and
part
of
them
are
my
own
feelings
and
part
of
them.
I
got
from
talking
to
other
people
at
the
sessions
that
you
had
Jean
and
from
reading
all
the
emails,
and
then
some
are
just
my
own
opinions
in
the
emails
and
with
the
people.
I
talked
to
at
your
event.
There
were
certainly
a
few
people
at
the
event
who
didn't
have
any
position,
one
or
another.
B
Yeah
thanks,
I'll
get
to
that
in
a
minute.
So
my
first
opinion
that
is
very
strong
for
me.
I
live
really
close
to
the
iris
Broadway
land
and
I.
Think
that
has
wonderful
opportunities
for
housing
as
well.
As
you
mentioned,
I
think
it's
really
premature
to
be
making
the
decision
about
Alpine
balsan
until
that
is
decided,
I
think
it
influences
too
many
decisions
along
the
way
and
I
just
think.
B
That's
imperative
that
that
be
figured
out
first
I
want
to
mention
that
the
vision
plan
includes
your
vision
plan
that
I
got
from
the
website
includes
strengthening
the
neighborhood
fabric
and
also
aligns
what
is
already
great
about
the
neighborhood.
I
also
recognize
that
the
council
and
staff
are
very
interested
in
public
engagement
and
have
made
a
lot
of
efforts,
and
it
seems
that
the
neighbors
have
spoken
to
me.
It
doesn't
seem
like
there's
mixed
opinion
from
residents
about
this.
B
It
seems
like
it's
running
at
about
4
to
1,
maybe
that's
just
how
I
counted
the
emails
and
when
I
talked
to
people
at
the
events,
but
there's
been,
it
seems
that
the
neighborhood
survey
of
500
people
has
been
discounted
as
not
being
valid,
and
if
people
don't
think
it's
valid,
then
I
would
suggest
that
the
city
do
its
own
survey
and
have
people
who
are
on
different
sides
of
the
density
issue.
Give
you
feedback
that
it's
completely
neutral
and
just
get
that
survey
out
there
from
everyone.
B
As
far
as
traffic
a
few
years
ago,
for
my
own
neighborhood
issue,
I
had
somebody
in
my
neighborhood
who
was
an
engineer.
Teach
me
how
to
read
those
and
it
actually
required.
I
require
kids
help
and
I
realized
that
there
are
two
important
elements
in
studying
a
traffic
study
and
the
first
one
is
the
baseline.
How
the
baseline
was
derived
at
and
already
I
heard
something
today
that
there
was
only
one
hour
of
study
done
of
impact
times
rather
than
the
two
hours
I
live
on.
Broadway.
B
So
I
know
how
long
the
heavy
traffic
goes
and
one
hour
actually
isn't
sufficient,
so
I
want
to
know
exactly
how
it
was
done
and
what
those
numbers
were
so
I
can
see
them
myself.
The
other
element,
that's
also
important,
is
I,
know,
there's
a
manual
that
U
is
called
the
transportation
engineers
ite
trip
generation
manual.
B
That's
used
as
the
basis
for
making
projections
I
want
to
actually
see
what
those
projections
were
and
how
they'd
arrived
at
those
numbers,
and
that
takes
a
lot
of
studying
so
I
think
to
be
making
decisions
about
the
traffic
will
be
fine
and
is.
Is
it's
premature
at
this
point?
Tell
people
have
had
a
chance
to
really
study
it
as
far
as
parking
I
live
in
a
place
where
there
are
ten
condos
which
have
one
assigned
space
and
there
are
12
other
open
spaces.
B
I
think
that
if
each
of
us
right
now
think
about
what
our
parking
situation
is,
many
people
in
Boulder
and
many
people
on
council
on
on
different
boards
choose
not
to
use
their
car
or
in
some
to
even
have
a
car
but
I'd
like
each
of
us
to
think.
Do
we
have
a
parking
space?
Do
we
have
our
garage?
Do
we
have
a
carport
and
there's
something
that
just
doesn't
sound
right
and
democratic
to
me
about
telling
people?
B
Oh,
yes,
you
can
live
here,
but
you
can
have
point
eight
tenths
of
a
car-
that's
just
I,
just
am
uncomfortable
about
that.
I
also
feel
that
people
are
gonna
keep
people
are
gonna,
keep
their
cars
for
the
most
part,
and
that's
just
the
way
it
is
so
they
will
park
wherever
they
can
walking
blocks
and
blocks
if
they
have
to
and
clogging
up
adjacent
neighborhoods.
B
Another
unintended
consequence
is
thinking
I
shop
in
the
ideal
area.
Really
a
lot
and
I
was
thinking
what
will
happen
to
ideal,
because
people
who
can't
find
parking
well
of
course
park
there.
So
what's
going
to
happen
to
that
whole
plaza
is
there's
gonna
have
to
be
guards
their
parking
guards
all
the
time
hounding
people.
Are
you
shopping
here?
What
are
you
doing?
What
do
you
this?
What
do
you
that
and
its
be
going
to
come
unpleasant
and
lose
some
of?
What's
so
special
about
it?
Right
now.
B
Also,
I
want
to
mention
that,
a
couple
years
ago,
when
I
was
studying
our
neighborhood
issues,
I
called
a
real
estate
developer
in
Denver
and
I
called
a
contractor,
successful
contractor
in
Atlanta
to
ask
some
questions
about
how
to
evaluate
how
much
a
property
costs
to
build
and
unsolicited.
They
both
said
to
me,
and
they
don't
know
each
other.
They
both
said
to
me
yeah.
B
Well,
the
strange
thing
about
development
these
days
is
that
the
trend
is
to
reduce
parking
and
the
problem
with
that
is,
it
doesn't
work,
everyone
just
drives
around
and
is
angry
and
upset,
and
it
causes
more
problems
than
it
solves
and
it
doesn't
take
away
people's
cars.
So
I
think
we
have
to
decide
if
we
want
to
look
like
Capitol
Hill
in
Denver
or
if
we
want
to
retain
our
neighborhoods.
B
The
community
hospital
certainly
had
more
people
in
and
out
per
day
than
I
would
imagine
would
be
generated
by
at
least
some
of
the
the
options.
However,
those
people
did
not
come
and
go
at
peak
hours.
They
came
in
and
out
throughout
the
day
and
there
were
vast
amounts
of
parking
spaces
there.
So
I
don't
think
it's
comparable
to
say:
oh,
this
won't
be
any
more
than
it
was
with
community
hospital
I.
Just
don't
think
I
think
it's
apples
to
oranges.
B
B
Kolani
on
your
staff
suggested
that
the
best
way
to
proceed
might
be
for
us
to
pick
an
option
and
tweak
it
as
we
wanted,
rather
than
make
up
a
whole
new
thing.
So
I
spent
some
time
doing
that,
so
the
option
I
like
best
for
the
site,
is
a
with
some
changes
combined
with
c4
the
area
plan,
but
for
a.
If
you
look
at
it
and
see
the
little
black
part,
that's
what
the
highest
density
up
there
for
a
I.
Think
for
me.
B
B
I
would
do
mxr
land
use
and
mxr
to
zoning,
which
would
be
10
market
priced
houses,
units
with
10
permanently
affordable
units,
and
that's
that's
how
3303
Broadway
the
people's
clinic
currently
sits
right
now
and
I
would
also
I
don't
care
if
the
city
has
their
offices
there
or
up
on
IRS,
if
it
ends
up
being
that
way
or
the
county
either
way,
but
I
don't
think
it
needs
to
be
both
I
think
I.
Don't
think
they
have
enough
crossover
to
make
that
key.
B
I
think
there
should
be
one
at
one
place
and
one
at
the
other,
so
I'm,
just
gonna
briefly,
now
demonstrate
a
little
bit
about
why
what
my
idea
offers,
because
I
believe
my
idea
offers
way
more
affordable
housing
and
doesn't
as
negatively
impact
the
neighborhood
character
as
this.
So
the
first
one
a
currently
has
260
units
per
acre
as
a
top
site.
Since
you
don't
know
how
many
acres,
quite
it
would
be.
B
B
With
my
way,
you
would
have
only
28
units
per
acre
or
26,
depending
on
what
you
did.
You
would
have
66%
permanently
affordable
with
95
permanently
affordable
units
or
as
or
as
much
as
108,
depending
on
how
many,
how
many
you
built
108,
permanent
and
I,
can
show
you
that
math,
if
you
like
or
I,
can
go
over
easily
there'd
be
130
units
that
way
the
others,
the
others
I'll
just
briefly
mention
there.
Their
density
would
could
be
as
high
as
sixty
six
units
per
acre.
B
The
difference
to
do
really
want
that
neighborhood
to
look
more
like
Boulder
Junction
right
in
a
residential
neighborhood,
or
do
you
want
it
to
look
more
like
Foothill
as
their
holiday?
So
I
also
mentioned
that
I
want
to
mention
that
my
idea
works
for
people
who
want
the
most
affordability,
the
most
affordable
housing
way
more
affordable
housing
and
also
doesn't
mess
with
the
neighborhood.
B
B
I
think
this
area
would,
with
my
idea,
lend
itself
well
to
lytec
for
some
with
some
good
solid
and
that's
some
density
right
there,
but
the
rest
of
it
could
be
the
market
rate
and
then
the
others
permanently
affordable
could
be
the
middle
income
ownership,
so
those
would
be
the
ones
I
go
for,
and
then
the
last
thing
I
just
wanted
to
mention
is
that
I'm
planning
on
talking
about
our
actual
feedback
or
if
we
can
come
up
with
recommendations,
more
knock
in
our
August
meeting.
Thanks.
H
A
Anyone
else
just
continued
board
discussion
here.
You
don't
have
to
get
a
feedback
right
away,
but
I'd
like
to
at
the
end
of
the
skittle
read
where
everyone
kind
of
is
right
now,
even
with
the
unanswered
questions
just
so,
we
can
work
towards
something
at
the
next
meeting
without
having
to
have
a
whole
nother
discussion
about
it.
So.
G
So
I
share
Terry's
perspective
that
I
think
some
confluence
of
Av
really
seem
to
work
here.
I'd
be
very
intrigued
by
the
notion
of
having
county
facilities
over
here
and
utilizing
that
iris
and
broadly
spaces
of
a
way
to
possibly
diffuse
some
of
the
issues
that
we're
talking
about.
I,
don't
know
that
you
really
need
to
wait
for
that
to
happen
from
my
experience.
G
You
know
that
could
take
six
months
to
six
years
to
sixty
years
right
so,
but
I
think
that
the
whole
notion
of
a
comp
plan
is
to
try
to
keep
things
as
flexible
as
possible
so
that
you
can
have
those
contingencies
or
those
possibilities
in
place
and
articulate
them
in
the
plan
now
and
I
would
like
to
see
that
whatever
plan
goes
forward.
Has
some
of
that
flexibility
to
address
that
and
really
you
know
to
address
a
lot
of
the
other
possibilities
here
as
well.
G
G
However,
once
you
don't
plan
for
it,
it's
so
hard
to
come
back
and
get
it,
and
it
really
does
have
an
impact
on
the
community.
I
think
it
does
have
an
impact
on
people's
perception
of
how
a
new
development
comes
in
and
blends
it
with
the
existing
community
and
I.
Think
that's
something
that
I
really
be
concerned
about.
G
We're
brought
up
here
and
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
different
possibilities
and
I
think
some
of
the
concepts
that
I
saw
with
like
the
stack
flats
I,
think
those
work
really
well,
especially
if
you're
gonna
have
different
levels
of
housing
and
different
levels
of
affordability.
Sometimes
those
stack
flats
can
work
really
well
because
you
can
have
single
level
on
top
of
them
etcetera.
G
So,
there's
a
lot
of
possibilities
there
to
essentially
integrate
the
different
the
different
models
of
housing
from
market-based
to
you
know
even
the
light
that
housing
but
I
do
think
that
you
know
ultimately
parking
is
something
where
you
know.
The
other
part
of
this
is
that
if
we
have
somewhat
of
a
D
model,
I
think
that
you
know
the
concept
that
there
can
be.
G
You
know
this
balance
of
the
parking
for
residential,
which
maybe
is
there
more
at
night,
and
the
parking
for
the
Civic,
which
is
maybe
that
are
more
in
the
day,
becomes
a
lot
more
viable
than
the
supermarket
and
I
was
born
in
New,
York
City
growing
up
in
that
area.
What
I
could
say
it's
a
lot
of
people,
there
don't
drive,
but
a
lot
of
people.
G
What
we
might
anticipate
there
I
think
would
be
great,
and
you
know,
are
the
things
that
I
thought
of
this.
If
there's
a
100
foot
or
more
setback
on
balsam,
because
of
what
air
flood
issues
you
know,
there's
it's
possible
to
have
some
flood
mitigation
areas
that
can
also
be
utilized
as
parking
if
we're
talking
about
100-year
flood.
G
The
one
thing,
fortunately,
is,
doesn't
happen
all
the
time,
hopefully
right
and
so
I've
seen
that
before
it
can
be
challenging,
but
that's
even
one
of
the
things
or
maybe
that's
an
opportunity
to
introduce
a
little
bit
more
but
overall
I
mean
I.
Think
there's
a
lot
of
potential
on
this
area.
I
think
it's
a
very
exciting
concept
and
you
know
I
really
think
that
emphasizing
housing,
because
it's
an
operon,
an
opportunity
for
that
that
you
know
doesn't
come
every
day
and
mixing
that
with
the
potential
for
civic
presence
is
probably
the
approach.
L
Thanks
everybody
for
all
the
feedback
here
from
makes
my
job
easier.
So
a
couple
things
one
there's
been
a
lot
of
emails
that
have
come
through
have
a
lot
of
people
with
comments
in
the
last
couple
of
months
and
I
want
to
just
make
sure
we
acknowledge
all
of
the
feedback
that
we've
gotten
from
the
community.
I
know
there
was
an
email
that
came
through
today
about
a
group
that
did
a
neighborhood
survey
and
is
feeling
quite
a
bit
ignored.
L
I
think
you
referenced
that
neighborhood
survey
of
over
five
hundred
and
thirtysomething
people,
75%
of
which
expressed
a
preference
for
a
lower
density
option
that
was
removed
from
these
panel
of
choices,
so
I
want
to
make
sure
we
acknowledge
that
group
and
that
group
is
neighbors.
It's
not
the
whole
city
I,
don't
think
they
represent
the
voice
of
the
whole
city,
but
they
are
immediately
impacted
by
any
development
because
they
live
in
that
area.
So
I
know
that
that
that
group
has
said
they
are
not
opposed
to
affordable
housing.
L
Can
we
take
that
and
tweak
it
too
and
come
up
with
some
kind
of
good
compromise
that
is
going
to
incorporate
the
desires
of
some
of
the
neighbors
in
that
area
that
are
directly
impacted
because
of
the
of
the
other
issues
that
they're
going
to
face,
such
as
parking
and
traffic,
so
I
think
that's
important
consideration,
I
think
in
terms
of
the
housing
affordability,
we
need
to
ask
ourselves
for
that
location.
What
population
do
we
really
want
to
serve
from
an
affordable
housing
standpoint?
Do
we
want
to
serve
families?
Do
you
want
to
serve
singles?
L
Do
we
want
to
serve
seniors
I
think
we
need
to
come
up
with
some
ideas
about
what
type
of
affordable
housing
makes
sense
and
then
how
do
we
make
that
work?
I
know
that
having
been
a
resident
of
the
Holliday
neighborhood
in
the
past
for
eight
years
myself,
but
that's
a
very
successful
example
of
a
mix
of
affordable
and
market
rate
housing,
with
a
density
that
seems
to
work
for
everyone,
although
I
will
submit
that
there
is
parking
problems
up
there,
because
there's
not
enough
street
parking
and
there's
always
a
fight
for
parking.
L
Your
car,
because
I
I
was
there
fighting
for
parking,
my
car
and
it's
impractical
to
think
that
everybody
is
not
going
to
have
a
car
because
to
danny's
point
we
do
go
to
the
mountains.
Some
of
us
drive
to
Costco
for
a
groceries
and
we
need
a
car
until
we
have
better
transportation,
which
is
my
other
point
and
I.
Think
in
that
is
in
a
strictly
tied
to
this
concept
of
developing
this
area.
Is
we
need
better
public
transportation
and
I?
L
Don't
I
understand,
lyft
and
uber
are
very
successful,
but
that
does
not
and
an
option
that
a
lot
of
people
use,
but
that
does
not
remove
cars.
It
does
not
remove
emissions
until
they
are
a
hundred
percent
renewable
source
vehicles.
So
I,
don't
like
the
idea
of
using
those
as
transportation
options
for
consideration.
That's
not
that's
not
a
mass
transit
solution
and
then,
in
terms
of
these
designs,
no
one's
talked
about
height
I.
Don't
think,
there's
a
lot
of
appetite
here
for
in
the
city
for
over
35
feet.
L
A
I'm
gonna
go
again
real,
quick.
Some
things
that
have
come
struck
me
throughout
this
entire
process.
Is
we
don't
hear
a
whole
lot
of
the
number
of
people
who
are
gonna,
be
there
or
anything
along
those
lines?
It's
all
about
the
sort
of
secondary
impacts,
so
it
seems,
like
most,
people
have
parking
issues,
traffic
issues,
height
issues.
So
if
we
can
find
ways
to
address
that,
you
know
it's,
it
seems
like
we're
spending
all
our
time
on
the
impacts,
not
the
housing
itself,
so
like
I,
get
that
I
understand.
Why?
A
That's
where
the
you
know,
sort
of
the
reservations
come
from
for
the
neighborhood,
and
you
know
I
think
just
my
recommendation
right
now
is
to
try
to
address
those
as
the
main
issues
right
now,
because
it
doesn't
seem
like
the
people
themselves
are
the
issue.
It's
all
the
things
that
the
people
create.
So
one
thing
that
I
think
we've
been
missing
is
that
sort
of
like
3d
visualization
from
the
ground?
A
What
each
individual
option
would
look
like
so
that
people
could,
you
know
not
saying
we
have
to
put
on
goggles
and
walk
around
the
thing,
but
some
pictures
of
what
it
would
look
like
from
the
ground
level
would
probably
be
beneficial
to
sort
of
you
know,
get
rid
of
any
high
concerns.
Even
you
know
showing
some
visualizations
of
what
traffic
is
like
now
and
what
it
might
be
like.
Based
on
the
traffic
impact
plans.
K
K
This
is
the
level
of
project
that
and
no
disrespect
to
staff
at
all
Jean,
but
in
my
mind
we
need
to
put
broad
parameters
on
that
are
acceptable
ranges,
and
then
we
need
to
see
through
professional
design,
competition
what
we
can
get
for
that.
If
we
put
out
our
desires
as
a
community,
then
we
can
see
who
can
give
us
the
best
result,
because
otherwise
we
end
up
with
beige.
K
We
end
up
in
the
middle
and
it's
not
gonna,
be
pleasing
to
anybody
and
it's
unfortunately,
I
think
how
we
end
up
with
a
lot
of
projects,
so
just
a
little
bit
of
a
different
perspective
of
how
to
maybe
come
up
with
a
result.
At
the
end
of
the
day
where
Judy's
numbers
or
my
numbers
for
affordable
housing
units
and
housing
units,
their
overall
aren't
the
driving
factor.
The
driving
factor
is
the
quality
of
the
development
at
the
end
of
the
day.
K
K
K
K
My
question
is:
are
we
getting
the
greatest
community
benefit
for
the
entire
community
while
still
being
sincerely
concerned
with
the
impacts
in
the
neighborhood
and
I?
Think
it's
important
looking
forward
to
keep
those
things
in
mind
to
also
think
of
a
future
as
much
as,
if
not
more
than
a
present.
In
the
past,
the
transportation
thing
there
are
changes
coming.
We
know
that
what
they'll
be
we
don't
know
yet,
but
all
housing
is
developed
to
meet
a
market.
Why
don't
we
develop
housing
here?
Whose
market
is
people
who
don't
want
cars?
K
B
I
didn't
count
I'm
very
impressed
that
you
counted
all
the
references
in
the
Boulder
Valley
comp
plan,
or
somebody
told
them
to
you.
But
in
the
survey
that
was
done
prior
to
the
finalization
of
the
Boulder
Valley
comp
plan,
they
did
a
survey
of
actual
people.
That
was
a
very
statistically
valid
survey
and
the
two
most
important
things
to
the
actual
people
who
live
in
Boulder
are
two
things:
affordability
and
neighborhood
character,
and
they
were
one
percentage
point
and
they
were
the
top
two.
B
So
I
believe
that
neighborhood
character
is
hugely
important
and
I
believe
as
I
outlined
in
my
little
ditty.
That
might
have
been
too
hard
to
follow,
but
I
believe
there
is
a
way
you
know
I'm
into
the
finding
that
sweet
spot
in
the
middle
is
my
whole
thing
and
I
believe
there
is
a
way
to
get
maximum,
affordable
housing
permanently,
affordable
housing
and
not
mess
with
a
neighborhood
character,
and
then
you've
got
a
win-win
situation
and
win
for
the
community
as
well.
D
Numbers
the
ability
to
fund
the
affordability
development
depends
on
how
you
can
have
some
market
rate
development
with
either
cash
in
lieu
or
whether
the
particular
private
developer
is
putting
on
site
an
affordable
or
whether
they're
paying
into
the
housing
partners.
Funding
and
things
like
that.
Did
you
kind
of
happens
behind
the
scenes.
I
know
it's
probably
got
spreadsheets
and
spreadsheets
on
how
how
we
can
get
the
numbers,
how
we
can
get
to
those
numbers,
so
I'm,
not
sure
if
you
did
you
take
that
into
account.
So.
B
I
did
some
what
the
I
base
some
of
it
on
1440
pine,
which
is
a
standalone,
lie
tech
project.
They
didn't
have
to
have
four
times
the
amount
of
their
housing
to
count
it.
It's
a
standalone
project
and
the
city
did
have
to
kick
in
some
money
for
it,
but
the
tax
incentive
people
put
in
something
like
twelve
and
the
city
put
in
one
or
two
or
something
like
that.
B
So
that's
that
for
the
mxr
to
where
you
have
ten
market
rate
and
ten
affordable,
permanently
affordable,
the
market
rate
for
the
developer
would
help
off
balance
the
permanently
affordable
and
their
deal
would
be
they
would
deed
the
ten
permanently,
affordable
or,
and
the
only
reason
I
know
more
about.
That
is
because
that
we
went
through
lots
of
discussions
about
the
in
my
neighborhood
and
with
planning
staff
about
that.
So
that's
how
I
imagined
it
would.
It
would
be
affordable
and
possible.
A
A
H
I
said
it,
it
is
currently
that's
a
land
use,
designation
of
public
and
a
zoning
of
public
which
are
quite
restrictive.
So
presumably
for
the
purposes
of
a
vision
of
this
area.
We
need
to
assign
land
use
and
then
zoning
and
that's
what
this
process
was
is
trying
to
set
up
so
that
we
can,
as
Jacque
said,
have
at
least
one
more
step
toward
what
we
want
there
so
that
we
can
solicit
partners
and
then
get
to
the
more
specific
site
design.
So.
A
D
Things
on
that
I
mean
if
the
City
Council
directed
the
city
as
they
look
like
they
might
do
at
one
point
this
year.
I
think
they
would
also
direct
city
staff
to
try
to
change
the
zoning
before
it
cancelled
off.
So
that
would
probably
happen,
and
that
would
create
a
whole
new
set
of
discussions
and
then
the
other
thing
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of.
D
D
It
looks
like
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
see
hybrids
of
them
and
see
you
know
good
parts
and
I'm
sure
as
you
go
through,
you'll
see
you'll
pull
from
from
the
different
options,
so
it
doesn't
necessarily
it's
not
that
even
I
could
say
which
options
specifically
I
like
the
best,
because
there's
certain
aspects
of
each
option
that
might
lend
itself
to
creating
a
hybrid
over
the
next
few
weeks,
which
it
which
I
think
it's
interesting.
That
I
just
wanted
to
say
and
I'm.
D
Sorry
really
looking
at
the
Yale
use
tomorrow
and
I
think
that
the
20%
is
being
pulled
from
the
used
tables
so
with
efficiency.
Living
units
will
no
longer
require
a
use
review
specifically
for
that.
If
it's
over
20%
I
looked
at
the
ordinance
while
we
were
sitting
here
so
that
that's
my
understanding
on
it
from
what
we'll
see
tomorrow,.
D
B
D
Serif
you
and
you
know,
if
the
20%
is
taken
out,
then
we
would
have
to
find
other
criteria
based
ways
to
talk
about
the
you.
The
the
mixed
use
of
housing
types
I
think
that
most
people
who
have
weighed
in
on
it
have
come
down
on
the
20%
is
a
little
bit
arbitrary
and
is
really
is
limiting
possibilities
where
there
might
be
a
market
for
smaller
dwelling
units,
and
we
just
had
one
come
past
us
recently,
so
so
I
think
there
was
some.
B
Guess
I
guess
Sam
Weaver
would
call
this
a
colloquy.
So
my
question
is:
isn't
there
wasn't
there
a
study
done
about
in
commuters
and
it
showed
that
what
most
people
want?
Is
they
don't
care
for
the
condo
or
townhouse
or
whatever?
But
if
they
really
had
their
choice
in
Boulder,
it
would
be
a
little
condo
or
townhome,
with
the
yard,
with
a
little
teeny
yard
and
that
that
was
the
biggest
interest.
Do
you
guys
know
that
not
for
helping
Boston
specifically?
This
is
right
right
that
affects
our
decision
either
with
all
al
use
or
that.
I
K
Interesting
piece
on
that
also
Judy
was
because
I
did
just
read
that
recently
to
kind
of
review
it,
because
that
came
up
I
think
maybe
when
we
were
talking,
but
the
thing
that
I
noticed
in
there
was,
it
wasn't
necessarily
a
yard
of
their
own.
It
was
a
outdoor
space
that
either
was
shared,
for
you
know,
yard
type
or
garden
or
whatever,
but
there
was
that
desire
for
outdoor
space
was
kind
of
the
the
real,
the
real
gist
of
that
I.
A
K
H
You
sue
the
board
member
said
we
specifically
I,
don't
know
if
any
of
you
had
taken
a
look
at
the
while
some
of
you
saw
the
survey
questions
that
questionnaire
that
we
had
at
the
events
and
there's
also
on
the
online
be
heard
builder.
We
we
didn't
ask
which
one
do
you
like.
We
asked
the
questions
because
we
knew
we
had
to
kind
of
we're,
probably
doing
a
mix
and
match
and
wanted
to
understand
the
qualities
of
the
things
that
people
liked
or
didn't
like
him.
H
A
A
N
Mary's
role:
okay,
hello,
I'm,
Kathleen,
King
I-
am
the
senior
planner
and
comprehensive
planning.
I
think
I've
met
some
of
you,
but
I
see
some
new
faces.
We
just
started
this
project
this
year.
I
think
the
last
time
I
met
with
the
housing
Advisory
Board.
We
were
still
talking
about
the
structure
of
the
program
and
council
hadn't,
yet
selected,
which
sub
community
was
going
to
be
the
one
that
we
were
going
to
work
on.
So
that
happened.
This
past
January
council
selected
East
Boulder,
which
is
great.
N
So
this
is
the
first
sub
community
planning
process
that
has
happened
since
the
North
Boulder
sub
community
plan
that
took
place
in
the
90s,
we're
about
60%
through
our
inventory
and
analysis
phase
and
we're
coming
up
on
a
major
community
touch.
Point
and
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
coming
up
here.
N
So
I'm
gonna
give
you
sort
of
an
overview
on
what
we've
completed
so
far,
where
we
are
in
the
process
and
then
present
some
of
our
findings
that
we've
done
or
we've
come
upon
through
the
inventory
and
so
some
of
the
deliverables
or
work
products
that
we've
completed
so
far
as
part
of
the
East
Boulder
process
are
that
we
have
our
work
plan
in
place.
We
have
a
communications
plan
for
communicating
with
the
public
there's
a
community
engagement
plan,
project
charter
and
so
all
of
the
sort
of
upfront
organizational
stuff
has
been
completed.
N
We
did
a
team
site
tour
with
a
planning
staff
from
across
the
city
to
learn
more
about
this
of
community
and
kind
of
see
the
different
land
uses
that
are
out
there.
We
have
a
project
website
and
we've
completed
a
previous
plans,
memo
which
studied
all
the
other
planning
efforts
that
have
gone
on
in
this
area
over
the
last
maybe
20
years,
and
that
they
have
impacts
on
on
our
or
canoes
Boulder.
And
then
we
also
completed
an
inventory
and
analysis
report
outline.
So
that
report
is
something
that
we're
working
on
right
now.
N
In
addition
to
the
report,
we're
also
putting
together
a
arcgis
pro
map
project,
so
GIS
is
a
mapping
and
analysis
tool
that
we
use.
We
have
new
software
and
so
we're
all
kind
of
learning
it
and
testing
it,
but
it
has
great
potential
I.
Think
for
our
department,
because
a
lot
of
what
we
create
and
the
maps
and
analyses
that
we
produce
for
this
project.
We
can
host
some
of
that
stuff
online
and
use
it
as
a
community
engagement
tool.
N
So
it's
there's
a
learning
curve,
but
it's
pretty
exciting
and
then
our
next
big
upcoming
deadline
is.
We
will
go
to
City
Council
in
September
to
give
an
update
on
some
of
the
inventory
work
on
the
community
engagement
process.
We've
been
collecting
and
put
it
a
couple
of
different
venues,
but
I
just
kind
of
want
to
remind
people
what
we've
committed
to
so.
N
The
East
Boulder
sub
community
plan
is
operating
in
this
collaborate,
space
of
the
engagement
spectrum
and
so
that
promises
the
public
that
we
will
work
together
to
formulate
solutions
and
incorporate
their
input
to
the
maximum
extent
possible.
So
that's
a
big
promise,
a
big
ask,
but
we've
we're
doing
a
lot
of
work
and
working
with
the
city
manager's
office,
community,
community
engagement
team
to
come
up
with
I
think
some
creative
methods
and
great
ways
to
document
this
work.
N
Some
of
the
things
we've
completed
so
far
is
we've
developed
these
tenants
of
community
engagement
and
I.
Think
a
lot
of
you
probably
saw
that
in
the
January
memo
we
did
a
kind
of
a
fun
activity
in
February
called.
What
do
you
love
about?
East
Boulder?
We
had
a
series
of
valence
out
for
the
week
of
February
14th
little
boxes
at
different
businesses
throughout
the
area
and
collected
information
from
folks
about
what
they
really
loved
about
that
area.
N
N
N
The
input
that
we're
collecting
and
how
we're
gonna
use
that
input
in
this
scrapbook
and
that
we
have
sort
of
a
first
draft
of
the
capture
of
all
these
events
and
that'll
go
online
this
week,
so
the
East
Boulder
working
group
I,
was
just
there
two
hours
ago.
This
group
is
charged
with
representing
diverse
stakeholder
interests.
They
are
to
share
information
with
our
communities
and
then
they
work.
Alongside
our
planning
team,
we
have
21
members
and
a
planning
board
liaison
and
I
have
to
say
it
is
a
really
really
great
group.
N
It's
just
everybody
is
really
engaged
they're
representing
interests
from
all
over.
We
have
residents
of
neighborhoods
to
the
south
residents
of
San
lázaro
Park,
which
is
actually
in
the
sub
community
and
business
owners,
landowners
and
they're
all
having
really
great
conversations,
and
it's
just
I'm
really
happy
about
the
group.
There's
awesome
so
here
they
are
great
folks.
N
Housing
is
going
to
be
one
of
those
topics,
and
so
I
have
some
questions
for
you
about
that,
and
we're
also
putting
together
a
series
of
videos
called
sub
community
stories,
so
we're
working
with
channel
eight
to
kind
of
document
and
capture
the
stories
of
different
people
that
live
and
work
in
the
area
and
we'll
push
those
out
through
channel
eight
and
then
also
and
a
lot
of
our
social
media
channels
to
kind
of
tell
the
story
of
an
area
that
maybe
people
don't
visit.
N
N
So
our
subcommittee
planning
process
is
broken
into
these
three
big
questions
for
the
community.
Who
is
East
Boulder?
What
do
you
want
to
be,
and
how
do
we
get
there
today
we're
focusing
on
how
to
answer
that?
First
question:
I'm
gonna
present
an
update
on
City
staffs
work.
So
for
the
past
few
months,
we've
been
working
across
departments
to
collect
an
inventory
of
existing
conditions.
N
We
have
national
resources
like
the
census
and
the
American
Community
Survey,
to
give
us
some
background
on
the
population.
Demographics
things
like
that.
We
use
state
resources
such
as
CDOT
to
look
at
impacts
of
transportation
traffic
and
some
of
the
projects
that
they
might
be
funding
in
the
future.
N
That
could
impact
this
area
and
then
the
the
resources
that
we
really
dig
deep
into
are,
but
the
county
and
city
databases
so
that
provides
information
about
property
ownership,
land
use,
zoning
we
have
tons
of
data,
so
here
is
East
Boulder,
and
this
is
if
this
is
the
first
time
you've
seen.
I
know
where
the
area
is.
It
is
bound
by
Foothills
Parkway
on
the
west,
the
airport,
on
the
north,
up
to
the
independence
Road,
it
wraps
around
63rd
Street
on
the
east
and
then
a
rapaho
Avenue
is
the
southern
boundary.
N
The
sub
community
is
1610
acres,
there
are
691
parcels,
only
466
residents,
and
then
this
area
employs
16,000
984
people
and
so
pretty
good
information,
but
I'll
kind
of
put
that
in
the
context
of
the
whole
city
for
you
and
so
East
boulders
area
makes
up
almost
10%
of
the
sub
community.
We
have
ten
sub
communities
in
the
city,
so
kind
of
make
sense.
It's
one-tenth
the
number
of
parcels,
even
though
we
have
ten
percent
of
the
land
area.
It's
only
almost
two
percent
of
the
properties.
So
you
know
what
that
really
tells
us
is.
N
N
But
if
we
were
to
kind
of
compare
it
it's
less
than
1%
of
the
population
and
then
almost
16
percent
of
everyone
that
comes
to
work
in
Boulder
comes
to
work
in
East,
Boulder
and
so
for
the
sub
community
plans.
Really,
the
goal
of
these
plans
is
to
implement
citywide
goals
of
the
Boulder
Valley
Comprehensive
Plan
and
those
goals
fall
into
these
six
focus
areas.
N
So
I'm
gonna
kind
of
take
a
high-level
look
at
some
of
the
data
that
we've
collected
related
to
these
six
focus
areas
and
we
will
start
with
design
quality
and
placemaking
and
I'll
kind
of
finish
with
the
housing
topics.
That's
your
your
interest
and
subsidy
wide
goals
related
to
design
quality
and
placemaking
are
to
ensure
that
redevelopment
and
in
Philippines
and
public
spaces
of
high
quality
design
and
that
they
create
pedestrian
oriented
neighborhoods.
N
So
one
of
the
things
that
we
consider
when
we're
thinking
about
design,
character
and
quality,
our
Historic
Landmarks
a
lot
of
time,
they
help
create
aesthetic
character
for
a
neighborhood,
there's
only
two
historic
landmarks
in
East
Boulder
and
they're
they're
kind
of
hidden,
there's
one
in
Belmont
Park,
it's
a
small
white
house.
It's
boarded
up
right
now
and
then
there's
another
smaller
structure,
that's
in
the
bike
park
area
and
we're
working
with
historic
preservation
and
learn
more
about
some
of
the
stories
behind
these
buildings.
N
But
right
now
they
don't
have
really
a
major
visual
impact
on
some
of
the
broader
areas
of
the
sub
community.
But
they
may
have
some
characteristics
that
people
in
the
area
think
are
valuable,
so
we'll
study
that
was
more
and
then
related
to
the
pedestrian
oriented
neighborhoods.
Our
Transportation
Department
is
currently
working
on
the
pedestrian
master
plan
for
the
whole
city
and
one
of
the
things
they're
studying
is
wok
access.
So
that's
the
the
graphic
that
you're
looking
at
on
the
left
side
of
the
screen.
N
They
have
they've
been
working
with
consultants
to
develop
this
model
where
they
study
the
sort
of
presence
of
pedestrian
facilities.
So
the
availability
of
things
like
sidewalks
trails,
the
quality
of
those
facilities
and
then
the
third
piece
that
is
sort
of
new
to
this
kind
of
assessment
is
destinations.
So
are
there
actually
places
that
people
want
to
walk
to
in
the
area,
so
they've
put
that
model
together
and
run
it
for
the
whole
city?
This
is
east
Boulder.
You
can
see
that
not
we're
not
rating
very
high
and
walk
access.
N
N
So
one
of
the
big
topics
in
East
Boulder,
because
this
is
where
a
lot
of
the
city's
major
creeks
sort
of
meet,
we
have
Boulder
Creek,
South,
Boulder,
Creek,
Wonderland's,
conch,
Canyon,
Creek
all
have
a
confluence
in
this
sub
community,
and
so
there's
major
issues
to
consider
related
to
flooding
and
storm
water
management
in
East,
Boulder
450
acres
are
in
the
high-hat
and
conveyance
zones.
A
lot
of
this
is
in
parks
and
open
space
land,
but
you
know
some
is
not.
N
N
The
airport
also
serves
some
important
functions
for
rescues
and
wildfire
management,
and
then
the
county's
communication
center
is
located
in
this
area,
they're
responsible
for
taking
calls
24
hours
a
day
and
they
dispatch
law
enforcement,
fire,
medical
search-and-rescue
and
so
important
facilities
for
the
region,
and
then
another
kind
of
key
component
that
we're
looking
at
in
studying,
related
to
stormwater
management
and
air
quality
is
our
urban
forestry
and
right
now
we
measure
that
in
canopy
coverage,
so
urban
forest
trees
goal
citywide
is
a
16%
canopy
coverage
in
East
Boulder.
N
So
the
fourth
topic
area
is
about
small
and
local
businesses
city
wide.
We
are
proactively
trying
to
support
small
businesses
through
loan
programs
and
grants,
and
we're
also
looking
for
ways
to
retain
these
businesses
and
keep
them
in
Boulder
and
hoping
to
find
ways
to
provide
affordable
business
space.
N
N
Related
to
arts
and
culture,
so
we're
looking
for
ways
to
include
arts
in
the
community
benefit
policies,
as
this
group
pretty
familiar
with
community
benefit.
Okay,
the
other
goal
is
to
support
arts
and
cultural
experiences.
Oh
I
thought
there
was
a
question.
Okay,
other
goal
is
to
support
arts
and
cultural
experiences
throughout
the
city,
and
so
some
of
the
things
we've
collected
data
on
include
the
amount
of
public
art
in
the
area.
N
So
there
are
three
art
pieces,
but
there's
also
things
like
murals
that
were
sort
of
interested
in
getting
an
inventory
of,
because
those
have
such
a
kind
of
visual
impact.
On
on
the
area
I
mentioned
that
we've
got
this
list
going
of
arts
related
businesses
and
so
far,
we've
identified
over
twenty
arts
and
culture
related
businesses,
including
places
like
art,
galleries,
the
boulder
dinner-theater,
boulder,
creative,
collective
and
then
we're
also
looking
at
kind
of
what
types
of
festivals
and
cultural
events
go
on
a
nice
Boulder.
We
know
about
three
of
them.
N
There
is
the
upslope
get
down,
which
is
an
event
that
takes
place
in
Flatiron
Business
Park,
in
collaboration
with
Absolut
brewery.
They've
got
music
food
trucks
games,
there's
also
an
aerial
dance
festival,
that's
coming
up
at
the
end
of
this
month
and
then
there's
a
big
cyclocross,
which
I
had
to
google.
What
cyclocross
is,
but
it's
a
type
of
bike
race,
that's
a
big
event
that
takes
place
in
film
on
bike
park
so
now
on
to
the
juicy
stuff:
housing,
affordability
and
diversity.
N
That
area
includes
313
home
sites
and
it's
a
manufactured
home
community,
so
they're
all
sort
of
a
similar
product.
There's
not
a
lot
of
diversity.
There
see
and
then
related
to
increasing
housing
in
industrial
and
commercial
areas
about
55%
of
the
sub
communities.
Land
use
is
industrial,
light,
industrial
or
commercial,
so
we're
gonna
have
to
work
with
the
community
to
consider
where
housing
may
be
appropriate.
In
these
areas,
the
next
focus
area
is
about
balancing
jobs
and
housing.
N
N
So
just
to
clarify
that
numbers
just
properties,
it
doesn't
indicate
number
of
units
or
residents
and
then
the
other
thing
we
are
studying
because
there's
so
many
businesses
and
employers
in
this
area
is
how
many
employers
provide
eco
passes.
So
38
of
the
areas
businesses
provide
eco
passes
for
employers.
N
Our
transportation
department
has
found
that
the
more
eco
pass
holders
we
have
in
the
city,
the
more
transit
commute
trips
that
we
see
so,
which
isn't
super
surprising.
But
they
did
a
recent
study
and
found
that
a
20%
increase
in
Eco
pass
holders
has
correspondent
with
a
10%
decrease
in
single
occupancy
vehicle
trips,
which
is
pretty
significant.
N
So
this
is
that's
a
sort
of
a
really
brief
snapshot
of
some
of
the
stuff
that
we've
been
collecting
and
studying,
and
looking
at
we're
working
on
a
more
comprehensive
report
that
we
hope
to
have
out
for
review
towards
the
end
of
next
month,
maybe
early
September
but
I
kind
of
want
to
just
be
clear.
You
know
that
that
is
all
sort
of
just
the
data,
just
the
facts.
N
What's
in
the
computer,
we
want
to
really
compare
that
with
and
supplement
it
with
what
we're
calling
an
experience
based
data,
so
the
human
experience
of
being
in
and
around
East
Boulder.
What
do
people
like,
or
not
like
about
East
Boulder?
How
are
they
using
the
area
and
moving
through
it,
and
we
have
to
go
out
to
the
community
to
understand
this
and
really
complete
that
picture
of
existing
conditions,
and
so
there's
all
kinds
of
ways
that
we
can
collect.
N
We
have
a
couple
of
things
going
on
to
complete
this
experience
based
data.
The
first
thing
is
this
East
Boulder
working
group
inventory
session
that
just
happened
earlier
today,
a
lot
of
great
discussion,
a
lot
of
great
input
on
on
some
of
the
things
that
maybe
we
have
mapped
that
they
found
from
their
experience
to
be
inaccurate.
So
we'll
have
to
go
back
and
look
at
some
of
that
data
and
then
a
lot
of
really
interesting
questions
generated
from
that
group
things
that
they
really
want
to
know
more
about
that.
A
N
So
there
are
21
members
and
then
a
Planning
Board
liaison.
There
are
residents
of
the
San
lázaro
neighbourhood
and
there
are
residents
of
the
neighborhoods
south
of
Arapaho
who
have
kind
of
great
interest
in
East
Boulder
sub
community.
There
are
business
owners,
landowners
and
people
that
work
in
the
area,
but
don't
live
there.
N
So
then,
coming
up
into
August
we're
gonna.
Do
these
in-person
engagement
events
so
we'll
be
hosting
a
series
of
events
throughout
the
sub
community
different
times
of
day
different
locations
to
ask
people
about
their
experiences
with
transportation,
our
housing
interest
all
kinds
of
things
to
collect
that
direct
feedback
from
the
public
right
now
it
looks
like
this
is
going
to
be
happening.
N
So
as
we
move
into
this
community
engagement
process
really
getting
at
questions
related
to
housing
and
trying
to
assess
kind
of
people's
temperature
about
housing
in
East,
Boulder
I
would
love
to
hear
from
this
group.
What
would
you
like
to
ask?
What
would
you
like
to
know
from
the
community
about
existing
housing
or
potential
future
housing
in
East
Boulder?
And
then
you
know
whatever
questions
this
group
comes
up
with
we're
all
going
to
talk
about
them
and
they'll
be
included
and
in
what
we
ask
the
community
when
we
go
out.
A
N
J
B
Course
I
have
questions.
Thank
you
so
much
I
thought
that
was
fabulous
and
congratulations
on
having
a
good
meeting
today.
I
just
have
I
find
this
whole
area.
Fascinating
and
I.
Don't
know
as
much
about
East
Boulder
as
I
should,
but
I'll
try
and
keep
my
questions
just
a
housing.
Are
there
some
farms
or
agricultural
properties
in
this
land?
So.
N
Historically,
there
were
that
land
has
transitioned
from
more
agricultural
to
a
lot
of
the
area
was
mined
kind
of
early
1900s,
and
that's
why
there's
so
many
ponds
out
there?
Is
it
some
leftover
mining
pits,
but
today
there's
no
agricultural
land
there's
quite
a
bit
of
open
space,
and
actually
the
city
is
the
largest
landowner
in
east
folder
and.
B
N
A
Always
struck
me
about
this:
I
used
I
lived
just
south
of
this
and
it
used
to
work
north
of
it.
So
when
I
ever
I
drove
through
the
Flatirons
Business
Park,
especially
in
like
the
later
evening,
it's
just
a
dead
zone
of
activity
altogether,
because
people
are
just
there
for
the
day
and
then
nothing
really
is
going
on
at
night
at
all.
So
that's
always
been
weird
to
me
that
we
have
such
a
part
of
town
and
it's
a
pretty
big
part
of
town.
N
Yeah,
you
know,
as
the
area
kind
of
developed
over
time,
there
was
a
lot
of
heavy
industry
and
a
lot
of
land
uses
that
really
aren't
attractive
for
people
to
live.
That
has
shifted
a
lot
and
so
things
that
were
heavy
industrial
that
produced
a
lot
of
noise,
a
lot
of
smells
things
like
that
have
transitioned
out
not
entirely.
We
definitely
have
some
major
industrial
facilities
out
there
still,
but
a
lot
of
them
have
turned
over
to
office
and
so
office
is
a
little
bit
more
compatible
with
residential
and
so
I
think.
N
There
are
definitely
some
pretty
dense
residential
areas
surrounding
there
that
provide
some
some
housing
options.
I
would
say
the
boundary
line
that's
drawn
on
here
is
not
limiting
sort
of
our
scope
of
understanding
or
what
we
will
study
related
to
impacts
of
any
proposed
plans.
We'll
certainly
look
at
how
any
concepts
may
impact
surrounding
residue
and
surrounding
businesses
kind
of
you
know.
East
arapahoe
is
a
major
transportation
corridor,
so
that
that'll
be
really
influential.
B
Okay,
so
that
was
my
questions
for
us,
but
as
far
as
what
I'd
like
to
suggest
that
you
may
want
to
ask,
the
community
is
first
of
all,
I
thought.
Jack's
idea
was
really
good
about,
including
the
people
you
asked
be
people
in
those
neighborhoods
just
to
the
is
that
the
south,
just
to
the
south,
about
those
neighborhoods
and
and
it
to
me
it
would
be
sort
of
a
two-parter
of
questions
and
the
first
would
be
listing
all
the
different
types
of
housing
that
you
could
possibly
think
of.
B
Townhouses
apartment
single-family
homes
whatever
and
just
say,
I
guess
the
first
would
be.
Would
you
like
to
see
more
housing
in
this
area?
The
second
one
to
be?
If
so,
which
of
these
pick
as
many
as
you
like?
Would
you
like
and
then
the
third
question,
just
simply
where
it
would
be
an
open-ended
question,
and
that
would
be
my
thought,
forgetting
the
the
most
open
community
engagement.
B
N
E
How
much
coverage
is
on
a
parcel,
so
each
private
property
owner
owns
their
personal
there's
a
building
on
it
and
usually
a
parking
lot
for
the
most
part
out.
There
know
that.
How
much
is
that
building
covering
the
land,
because
question
is
I-
think
the
best
way
to
add
housing
to
this
part
of
town
is
by
the
massive
amounts
of
parking.
That's
out
there.
I
think
this
part
of
town
is
more
function
over
fashion,
largely
it's
it's,
maybe
not.
E
E
B
This
is
just
an
observation,
a
little
different
than
the
things
that
either
of
you
notice
about
the
neighborhood
I
was
recently
at
up
slope
brewery
for
an
event
and
I
guess
we
left.
Maybe
around
10:00
and
I
was
very
surprised
that
many
of
the
little
individual
units
around
there
seemed
to
have
artists
in
them
and
seemed
to
be
having
stuff
going
on
that
when
we
left
upslope
I
thought
that
was
pretty
exciting
see.
So
it
seemed
it's
not
like
they
had
a
wild
nightlife
or
they
have
a
lot
of
restaurants
right
in
that
area.
N
There
are
because
industrial
spaces
allow
give
artists
kind
of
the
room
to
work
on
big
projects
there.
The
buildings
are
equipped
with
the
type
of
sort
of
exhaust
and
and
things
that
they
may
need
for
I,
don't
know
blow
torches
all
kinds
of
crazy
stuff.
There
are
a
lot
of
artists
that
are
in
this
area
and
the
space
is
affordable
for
them
today.
So
it
definitely
we've
we've
been
sort
of
uncovering,
more
and
more
artists
that
are
working
out
here
and
a
lot
of
them
have
art
all
over
Boulder.
So
it's
really
cool
I.
K
K
Guess
not
only
the
property
owners
but
the
property
owners
and
the
business
owners
or
tenants
see
as
their
needs
for
the
affordable
workspace
and
what
they
can
both
provide
and
what
they
need
and
how
that
again
might
mesh
with
housing
in
their
minds.
You
know
those
tenants
who
are
in
those
buildings
working
and
and
what
kind
of
housing
kind
of
a
line
that
might
work
best
for
them
that
could
get
them.
You
know
right
there.
D
We're
gonna
be
looking
at
the
opportunities
own
stuff
tomorrow
night
and
one
of
the
proposals
that's
going
forth
is
to
kind
of
put
the
efforts
to
look
at
modifying
the
use
tables
in
our
zoning
to
allow
more
uses
in
light
industrial
to
kind
of
a-line
with
this
project.
So
I
don't
know
if
you've
started
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
that.
D
But
we
do
have
a
subcommittee
working
on
use
table
changes
that
I'm
chairing
and
it
would
be
really
interesting
to
to
get
some
opportunities
to
kind
of
you
know
maybe
send
some
of
our
committee
members
to
the
public
engagement,
but
also
see
what
you're
thinking
in
terms
of
not
just
residential
that
maybe
some
additional
retail
or
restaurant
possibilities
in
live.
Industrial
I
think.
D
D
N
Part
of
this
community
is
within
the
opportunity
zone,
and
so
we
will
be
looking
at
how
those
you
know
how
the
plan
influences
the
opportunity
zone
opportunities
and
how
the
opportunity
zone
opportunities
and
challenges.
I
guess
can
play
a
role
in
what
we
plan
for
the
future
of
this
area,
but
we
are
working
with
community
vitality
to
sort
of
look
at
some
of
the
kinks
of
the
program
and
see
where
we
might
align,
but
I
don't
have
any
other
information
beyond
that.
G
Just
looking
at
some
of
those
numbers
and
the
zero-percent
population
and
17,000
jobs,
I
think
maybe
it's
a
little
insight
like
on
the
ground,
insight
from
people
who
are
from
that
area.
A
in
terms
of
whether
the
commuter
traffic
patterns,
like
you
know,
from
their
own
experiences
from
their
subjective
experiences,
looks
like
there's,
probably
a
lot
of
people
driving
in
there,
where
they're
driving
in
from
Jacque
brought
up
a
good
point.
G
If
it's
just
from
the
adjacent
communities
and
that's
where
most
of
the
housing
is,
that
really
speaks
to
a
lot
of
the
need,
or
the
tourism
and
I
think.
Another
interesting
question
would
be
what
areas
seem
to
be
antiquated
or
you
know,
I
kind
of
you
know
what
areas
could
stand
to
have
some
improvement.
There's
some
vitalization
brought
into
it.
You
know
that
may
be
housing
can
support
from
the
business
owners.
G
Do
the
business
owners
support
housing,
a
I
think
you
know
housing
for
actual
on-site
employees
I
mean
that's
another
important
part
of
housing
in
a
lot
of
areas
like
this
like
when
we
talk
about
like
an
artist
studio,
you
know
the
concept
of
having
an
artist
studio.
That's
also
residential
can
be
wonderful
right
and
with
a
lot
of
these
other
businesses
with
office
parks,
etc.
Right
is
there
a
way
to
bring
housing
in
there.
G
That
really
is
for
more
on-site
employees
or
area
employees,
and
then
the
other
one
is
what
transit
improvements
could
be
made
that
can
make
it
more
suitable
and
more
accommodating
to
people
living
there,
because
I
think
that's
probably
an
issue
from
my
experience
over
there
seeing
that
as
an
issue
and
the
last
one
is
what
support
is
there
for
like
height
variations,
because
certainly
going
back
to
that
notion
of
on-site
employees
and
the
Upstairs
Downstairs
model?
And
I
know
that
a
lot
of
the
buildings
there
tend
to
be
of
the
more
expansive.
G
You
know
lower
profile,
more
experience
of
buildings,
and
is
there
some
way
where
some
more
flexible
zoning
on
things
like
height
or
setbacks,
might
make
it
more
accommodating
for
housing
without
losing
the
industrial,
which
is,
you
know,
essential
for
any
community
all
right,
okay,
we'll
just
put
everything
over
the
industrial
that
you
know
you
need
it.
You
know
you
have
to
have
somewhere
to
have
a
toll,
wide,
etc.
So
those
are
some
things
that
I
think
you
know.
G
Maybe
people
that
live
there,
that
have
a
good
feel
for
you
know
the
ebb
and
flow
of
how
those
things
feed
into
the
community
and
then
how
suitable
that
community
can
be
to
introduce
housing
and
affordable
housing
over
there,
because
certainly
there's
room
there's
space
and
there's
jobs
are
not
a
lot
of
residents.
So.
N
A
A
Table
discussion,
additional
things
that
we're
hoping
for
this
one
is
staff
to
provide
the
ways
that
we
already
and
some
of
the
ways
that
we
can't
do
certain
laws
or
restrictions
that
we
have.
So
we
can
actually
have
that
kind
of
typed
up
in
advance.
So
we
can
send
that
out
to
the
groups
that
we
have.
A
B
I'll
have
just
a
couple
things:
we
took
the
list
of
affordable
housing
providers
that
had
been
given
to
us
by
staff
for
our
last
one,
and
then
we
also
built
a
list
of
all
the
groups.
We
could
think
of.
That
might
be
interested
like
better
Boulder
and
plan
folder
and
everything
else
in
between
the
the
homeless,
shell,
the
Center
for
people
with
disabilities.
J
B
I
think
I
think
because
you
send
out
at
me
I
think
we
wanted
feedback
by
the
end
of
this
month
and-
and
we
have
a
word
count
of
exactly
300
words.
It
can't
be
more
than
that,
and
it's
just
from
me
and
Adam
has
the
engagement
committee.
So
if,
if
people
have
any
reasons
why
they
don't
want
it
on
or
they
don't
want
to
use
their
name
on
it
or
because
you
can
only
send
things
in
once
a
month
or
whatever
that's
covered
and
and
we'll
do
more
publicity
towards
the
end.
B
A
So
biggest
takeaway
there,
if
you
have
any
edits
to
the
letter
to
the
editor
centered
around
again
we're
hoping
for
those.
So
that's
kind
of
the
action
item
there.
Otherwise
we're
gonna
take
about
an
hour
to
an
hour
and
a
half
of
the
next
meeting
plan
on
that
as
the
start
of
the
August
meeting.
So
it's
gonna
be
pretty
full
considering
we
have
that
and
then
also
a
recommendation.
A
A
Which
again
adds
to
kind
of
things
that
we
want
to
tackle
next
week,
so
that
was
kind
of
our
commitment
that
we
made.
But
Judy
are
you
sent
out
for
a
list
of
things
that
she's
interested
in
considering
and
having
in
the
letter
for
Council?
So
if
you
want
to
review
those
making
the
additions
or
anything
else
that
you
might,
we
gotta
start
thinking
about
this
right
now,
so
that
we're
not
scrambling
at
the
end
of
the
year.
B
These
aren't
things
we're
gonna
vote
on
at
any
of
these
meetings,
till
much
closer
to
the
end
of
the
year.
These
are
just
topics,
so
we
can
all
get
familiar
and
find
out
sort
of
a
sense
of
what
people
are
interested
in
since,
since
this
letter
is
going
to
be
especially
important
because
there'll
be
a
brand
new
council
and
they're
gonna
be
forming
their
work
plan
for
the
coming
year.
So
any
weave
ideas
we
have
about
things.
B
A
I
I
Me
so
I'll
start
with
downpayment
assistance,
but
I
also
have
some
updates
on
community
benefit
large
lot
large
homes,
the
TMP
you're
talking
about
you,
have
a
full
August
agenda.
All
of
these
projects
are
kind
of
coming
to
a
head
right
now,
so
we'll
have
to
do
some
creative
agenda
planning
for
August.
I
Basically
the
direction
they
gave
was
to
move
forward
with
the
pilot
we
would
issue
bond
or
take
out
a
line
of
credit
of
10
million
dollars
that
would
not
raise
taxes.
So
that's
using
the
city's
existing
bonding
capacity,
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
confusion
about
that.
I
saw
a
couple
of
emails
today
and
council
their
direction
was
it
really
needs
to
focus
on
households,
earning
120
percent
AMI
and
less.
So
that's
the
maximum.
I
I
So
the
ideas
to
help
the
middle
income
households
afford
a
home
in
Boulder.
The
city
would
provide
downpayment
assistance
up
to
two
hundred
thousand
in
some
cases,
basically,
and
if
you,
which
is
not
that
much
you're
talking
about
a
six
hundred
thousand
dollar
home,
basically,
you
know
the
city
would
have
to
provide
one
hundred
and
thirty-eight
thousand
thousand
dollars
to
a
household
earning
one
hundred
and
twenty
percent
ami,
which
is
roughly
120,000
for
a
family
of
four,
so
that
assistance
would
be
provided
to
the
family
in
in
the
form
of
his
second
mortgage.
I
I
They
said
that
they
want
to
keep
the
ten
year
period
and
they
wanted
to
provide
some
sort
of
some
form
of
hard
potential
hardship.
You
know,
if
you
know
if
there
was
challenge
in
terms
of
you
know,
if
your
income
does
not
go
up
over
time,
you
might
have
trouble
refinancing
that
balloon
payment
at
the
end
of
ten
years,
so
we're
moving
forward
with
the
potential
ballot
measure
inline
ballot
measure,
this
fall.
I
That
would
enable
that
and
then
the
program
would
potentially
be
up
and
running
in
January,
but
like
I
was
saying,
I
think
there's
still
a
few
questions,
because
that
first
household
we
up
to
the
subsidized
by
138,000,
it
doesn't
buy
down
the
price
of
that
middle-income
home
at
deed,
restricts.
It
says
it
can
only
appreciate
by
two
percent,
so
at
the
end
of
ten
years,
they're
still
going
to
be
a
gap
between
what
a
hundred
and
twenty
percent
of
household
can
afford
versus.
I
So
it's
a
Tabor
taxpayer
Bill
of
Rights
requirement
that
says
anytime,
there's
a
multi-year
obligation
by
a
jurisdiction.
There
needs
to
be
approval
from
the
voters,
so
the
the
ballot
measure
language
is
clearly
all
the
Guinness
states.
It's
all
we're
doing
is
is
using
our
existing
bonding
capacity
and
it
will
not
result
in
raising
taxes
and
the
idea
is
the
city
is
loaning,
this
money
out
right,
but
we're
getting
it
back
at
the
end
of
10
years.
D
Consideration
given
to
possibly
I'm
having
some
portion
of
this
trial
examine
non
permanently,
affordable
properties
that
could
appreciate
for
the
middle
income
homeowners
so
that
they,
you
know
there
might
be
a
different
realize.
The
appreciation
that
those
of
us
who,
by
market
rate
appreciating
so.
I
Last
night
we
presented
two
options.
One
was
at
two
percent
appreciation.
Other
was
at
four
percent
appreciation,
which
would
be
roughly
what
it
would
cost
the
city
to
borrow
the
money.
So
this
is
certain
elegance
in
that
console,
didn't
even
go
for
the
four
percent,
and
so
and
really
the
range
is
two
percent
up
to
seven.
I
Seven
is
market
appreciation,
that's
basically
with
homeowners
in
Boulder
I've
gotten
in
the
past
ten
years,
so
that
four
percent
makes
it
extremely
difficult
for
120
percent
ami
actually
goes
up
to
one
hundred
and
ninety
four
percent
am
I
to
be
able
to
afford
that
what
council
was
pretty
adamant?
That's-
and
there
was
consensus
around
this-
that
it
really
needs
to
focus
on
middle-income
that
if,
if
the
a.m.
eyes
keep
increasing
that
we're
not
serving
the
population
that
we
want
to
serve.
I
The
currently,
the
way
it's
defined,
it's
low,
moderate
and
middle-income,
oh
yeah,
so
assuming
it
we're
still
serving
people
at
120
percent-
am
I
that
could
be
challenging.
So
we're
not
also
said
that
they're
not
promising
that
we
would
offer
this
type
of
subsidy
to
future
buyers.
So
there
is
a
potential
that,
because,
even
with
it
increasing
at
2%
there's
still
that
gap
in
10
years
over
any
future
purchaser.
I
G
Was
there
much
discussion
on
the
notion
of
how
this
might
impact
the
lending
potential
on
those
properties,
because
I
think
is
a
lot
different
than
when
you
have
a
development?
That's
you
know:
affordable
local
workforce
instead
of
because
you're
taking
a
market,
Union
and
you're,
putting
those
constraints
on
it.
I
have
just
seen.
I
had
a
lot
of
experience
with
banks
just
trying
to
wrap
their
heads
around
it
and
stuff
like
that.
So
I'm
just
curious.
If
that
was
things
that.
I
A
I
You
I
would
say
so:
okay
and
I
think
it's
recognizing
that
the
average
tenure
of
a
an
affordable
home
in
Boulder
is
7
years.
So
a
lot
of
people.
This
is
going
to
be
probably
maybe
their
first
home
purchase
and
particularly
if
they
earn
well
above
100
20
20
%
ami
they're
going
to
move
on
to
something
else,
so
more
foot
than
the
foot
in
the
door.
Then
exactly
the
idea
is
we
had
well
it's
it's
one
method
to
get
additional
inventory
of
permanently
affordable
housing.
I
The
idea
is,
we
are
providing
assistance
for
home
buyers
to
purchase
homes
on
the
market
and
then
free
market
homes,
free
market
homes,
yep,
so
six
hundred
thousand
one
hundred
and
twenty
percent
ami.
You
can't
afford
that
rest
early.
You
need
some
assistance,
so
in
exchange
for
that
assistance,
so
eight
hundred
and
thirty,
eight
thousand
we
say
you're
gonna-
have
to
just
accept
a
lower
appreciation
rate
understanding,
fortuity
food
I.
D
I
The
belief
is
that,
with
the
2
percent
appreciation
limit,
then
it's
more
likely
to
be
affordable
to
middle-income
households.
Ok,
so
again
the
ok
permanently
affordable,
deed,
restricted,
you're
right
I
mean
your
typical
downpayment
assistant
down
payment
assistance
used
elsewhere
in
the
country.
Is
you
offer
a
low,
no
interest
loan?
Some
are
grants
and
that
helps
people
buy
into
the
market
would
be
actually
the
first
to
require
a
deed
restrictions
in
exchange
for
the
assistance.
I
There's
more,
what
else
do
we
get
so
community
benefit?
Community
Benefit
is
still
awaiting
for
analysis
from
a
consultant
to
sort
of
figure
out
what
we
can
do.
So
are
you
guys
familiar
the
original
ambitions
for
Community
Benefit
were
extremely
broad
councils.
Direction
was,
let's
focus
it
down
to
really
just
affordable
housing,
so
that
work
is
underway.
They
have
Planning
Board
scheduled
for
September
5th
and
go
to
council
on
September
17th
and
October
15th.
I
So
that's
happening
right
now
we
can
come
back
to
it
at
large
homes,
large
Lots,
that's
going
to
plan
board,
August,
15th
and
city
council
on
the
13th
and
17th
of
September,
and
then
the
TMP
transportation
master
plan.
There's
a
draft
out
in
mid-august
and
they're
going
to
council
on
September
17th.
B
I
Is
August
15th
at
Planning
Board
and
then
City
Council,
September,
3rd
and
7
September
17th?
So
that's
the
current
schedule.
You
heard
Jane's
response
before
about
Alpine
balsam,
but
there
is
kind
of
this
convergence
that
typically
happens
before
an
election.
There's
a
desire
to
get
a
lot
done
so
so
I
apologize,
but
the
a
lot
of
this
happens
and
it's
not
something
that
staff
can
necessarily
control.
So
it's
a
lot
of
different
projects
that
I
know
there's
interest
from
this
board
and
you
may
not
have
the
time
at
the
capacity
to
respond
to
them
all.
A
I
B
I
A
I
They
did
have
a
discussion
about
boarding
commission
expectations,
particularly
around
social
media.
So
if
you
weren't
aware
that's
it's
our
our
five
and
twenty
minutes
and
the
City
Attorney's
Office
offered
to
provide
an
update
to
the
guidelines
to
include
social
media
norms
and
expectations.
So
I
don't
know
exactly
when
that's
gonna
come
back,
but
it
should
be
fairly
soon.
So
I
just
wanted
to
share
that.
You
see.
A
K
A
Next
time
around
I'm
definitely
gonna
try
to
stick
firmly
to
timeline.
That's
gonna
be
a
big
part
of
fitting
in
everything
we
have
to
fit
in.
So
whenever
you,
you
know,
try
to
come
with
your
statements,
ready,
Jay,
any
information
about
anything
that
we
can
have
in
advance
that
we
don't
have
to
review
within
the
meeting
itself
would
really
be
beneficial.