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C
D
C
Would
be
a
good
time?
Yes,
okay,
there's
something
I
was
interested
in
talking
about
as
many
people
were
reading
about
the
article
in
the
Boulder
weekly
and
learning
that
some
people
feel,
or
certainly
the
writer
of
the
article
felt
that
there
were
HOA
fees
were
getting
ixora
gently,
hi
and
I
wanted
to
know.
I
wanted
to
just
say
I'd
like
to
talk
about
it
at
the
next
meeting.
Maybe
it's
better
to
bring
up
at
the
calendar
review,
whatever
you
think.
D
D
G
Tonight
we
have
what
is
we
consider
one
of
your
orientation
topics
on
the
implications
of
the
basic
understanding
overview
of
fair
housing
and
the
implications
for
policy
making?
Given
that
the
recommendations
you
would
make
the
council
could
affect
the
policies
that
the
city
implements
so
with
us,
the
state
City
Civil,
Rights
Division
did
I
get
it
right.
The
larette's
division,
yeah
Civil,
Rights,
Division
Sam
Anderson,
has
a
presentation
and
will
be
available
for
questions.
G
H
You
Jeff,
thank
you
all
for
having
me
good
evening
to
all
the
members
of
the
housing
advisory
board.
As
Jeff
mentioned,
my
name
is
Sam
Anderson
I
am
the
outreach
and
education
coordinator
for
the
Colorado
Civil
Rights
Division
I
do
need
to
start
with
a
broad
disclaimer.
My
talk
this
evening
is
meant
to
provide
a
broad
informational
overview.
H
I
am
an
attorney
but
I'm
not
practicing
in
that
capacity
here
tonight,
either
as
a
private
attorney
or
an
attorney
on
behalf
of
the
state
again,
instead
I'm
providing
broad
information
considering
the
Colorado
anti-discrimination
Act,
specifically
as
that's
applied
to
housing
situations,
any
official
opinion
of
the
division,
so
I
might
I'll
generally
refer
to
the
Colorado
Civil
Rights
Division,
as
the
division
or
ecrt
shorthand.
Any
official
opinion
from
the
division
would
necessarily
come
in
the
form
of
a
written
letter
of
determination.
H
As
far
as
whether
or
not
such
an
act
would
constitute
a
violation
of
kata
and
kata
is
shorthand
for
the
Colorado
anti-discrimination
Act.
Now
all
of
you
have
a
copy
of
the
PowerPoint
presentation,
that's
being
displayed
on
the
screens
with
areas
for
notes.
The
second
slide-
or
the
third
slide,
would
be
my
direct
contact
information
that
you're
all
welcome
to
use
with
any
questions
you
might
have
about
fair
housing
or
any
of
the
other
areas
covered
under
your
kata.
H
So
taking
a
step
back
in
kind
of
giving
a
broad
overview
of
my
office,
CCR
D,
we
exist
pursuant
to
kata
the
Colorado
anti-discrimination
Act.
So
this
is
the
set
of
state
laws
that
specifically
prohibit
discrimination
in
three
areas,
broadly
speaking,
that
would
be
housing,
employment
in
places
of
public
accommodation,
of
course,
we're
focusing
on
housing
today.
But
it's
important
to
keep
in
mind
that
kata
as
a
whole
prevents
discrimination
more
broadly
speaking,
so
again,
also
in
employment
and
in
places
of
public
accommodation.
H
Now
kata,
the
statue
or
a
set
of
statutes
that
allow
us
to
exist
do
a
few
things.
First
and
foremost,
it's
what
allows
my
office,
the
CCR
D
to
exist
in
the
first
place.
Additionally,
it
creates
the
Civil
Rights
Commission,
the
CCR
C.
Now
you
might
have
heard
of
the
CCR
C
and
news
lately
a
lot.
They
do
work
closely
with
us,
but
importantly,
they
are
a
separate,
distinct
entity
and
I'll
talk
about
their
role,
as
it
compares
to
my
office's
role.
Also.
H
Kata
also
sets
our
powers
our
process
in
our
procedure.
So
while
the
division
does
have
some
leeway
or
wiggle
room
when
we're
investigating
a
case
or
discretion,
a
lot
of
that
is
set
very
specifically
by
statute,
for
instance,
the
length
of
time
that
we
can
take
to
investigate
a
case,
compare
that
with
HUD
Housing
and
Urban
Development,
who
also
investigates
fair
housing
cases
on
the
federal
level.
They
don't
have
a
set
time
limit
to
investigate
cases
and
I'll
talk
about
our
work
relationship
with
HUD
here
shortly.
H
Finally,
what
Cotter
does
probably
most
importantly,
is
enumerates
that
protected
classes,
enumeration
of
the
protected
classes
is
just
a
fancy
way
of
saying
lists
off
the
reasons
that
a
person
cannot
be
discriminate
against
they're
generally,
the
same
across
housing,
employment
and
public
accommodation.
But
there
is
some
variances
among
those.
So,
for
instance,
age
is
a
protected
class
in
employment.
Age
is
not
a
protected
class
in
housing
and
we'll
look
at
that
shortly
as
well.
H
Now
again,
I
am
with
the
Civil
Rights
Division,
so
the
Civil
Rights
Division
again
is
the
state
agency,
we're
non-political
we're
a
neutral
third
party
investigative
arm.
So
our
role
is
to
investigate
complaints
of
discrimination
in
those
three
areas:
housing,
employment,
public
accommodation
in
to
issue
a
determination
as
to
whether
or
not
discrimination
has
occurred.
H
Now
we
have
a
staff
of
about
25
we're
currently
in
flux,
but
this
last
fiscal
year,
2017
18
July
July,
we
process
the
most
cases
ever
nearly
2000,
which
is
almost
full,
is
more
than
double
what
we
process
just
a
couple
years
ago.
Now
a
majority
of
our
cases
are
actually
employment
based,
but
it's
followed
by
housing
cases.
H
Now,
the
Commission
again,
the
Commission
is
a
separate
entity.
The
Commission
is
a
panel
bipartisan
panel
that
is
Namit.
The
members
are
nominated
by
the
governor
and
confirmed
by
the
state
Senate
the
Commission's
primary
role.
Will
they
have
two
primary
roles?
One
is
to
hear
appeals
of
no
probable
cause
cases.
The
other
is
to
set
cases
for
hearing
now
the
majority
of
cases
that
actually
come
before
the
division,
whether
they're
housing,
employment
or
a
public
accommodation.
These
are
no
probable
cause.
H
Findings
is
what
they're
going
to
result
in
and
when
I
say
the
majority
I
mean
the
vast
majority
95
to
97%
of
cases,
there's
an
insufficient
evidence
of
discrimination
occurring,
so
you
might
think.
Well,
why
does
the
division
need
to
exist
if
we're
not
finding
discrimination?
Well,
there's
a
few
reasons.
One.
We
are
the
administrative
remedy
to
prevent
these
cases
from
clogging
up
the
judicial
system.
Parties
generally
have
to
exhaust
the
administrative
remedy
before
going
to
court.
H
The
other
thing
is
some
cases,
don't
reach
determination
because
they're
settled
ahead
of
time
and
that's
something:
the
division
absolutely
encourages
a
settlement
ahead
of
time
in
a
lot
of
cases.
That
would
otherwise
have
merit
to
them
that
we'd
find
discrimination,
they're,
gonna
settle
so
long
as
it's
appropriate
and
not
against
the
public
interest.
Now
again,
the
Civil
Rights
Commission
separate
entity,
they're
more
political,
not
inherently
political,
but
they're.
The
ones
again,
who
will
hear
appeals
of
no
probable
cause
in
set
cases
for
hearings.
H
Setting
in
a
case
for
hearing
is
a
situation
when
we
found
enough
evidence
to
show
discriminations
occurred
when
we
do
that
when
the
division
director
issues
such
a
determination,
the
parties
are
sent
to
conciliation.
That
is
their
final
chance
to
try
and
reconcile
and
hopefully
reach
some
sort
of
resolution
if
the
parties
are
unable
to
conciliate
successfully
at
that
stage.
That
is
when
that
information
is
communicated
to
the
Commission.
The
Commission
then
has
the
discretion
to
set
the
case
for
hearing,
and
let
me
actually
take
that
back.
H
They
have
the
discretion
in
employment
and
in
public
accommodation
cases
in
housing
cases
they
will
always
a
case
for
hearing
it's
set
in
the
statute,
so
any
case
a
housing
case
where
there's
discrimination
and
the
parties
can't
conciliate.
The
Commission
is
going
to
set
that
case
for
hearing
what
that
means
is
they're
going
to
advise
their
attorney,
who
is
a
Deputy
Attorney,
General
or
assistant
attorney
general,
with
the
AG's
office
who's
actually
going
to
file
a
complaint,
naming
the
Commission
as
a
party
and
suing
the
respondent
in
a
housing
case.
H
So
that's
a
person,
an
entity,
any
aggrieved
party
which
will
look
at
the
definition,
so
it
could
be
even
a
developer.
Let's
say
a
developer
wants
a
zoning
variance
to
build
some
sort
of
multifamily
housing.
They
seek
that
variance.
It's
denied
that
developer,
then,
is
an
aggrieved
party
who
might
allege
that
fair
housing
laws
were
violated
because
that
denial
is
going
to
unfairly
impact
or
disparately
impact
a
protected
class.
So
a
developer
could
be
going
through
intake.
H
Usually,
though,
in
that
circumstance
that
are
going
to
be
represented
by
an
attorney
and
the
attorney
will
just
draft
the
charge
themselves,
the
more
common
situation
is
an
individual
fills.
They've
been
discriminated
against,
they
reach
out
to
our
office.
We
do
a
cursory
investigation
or
analysis
of
jurisdiction.
It's
a
pretty
low
bar
for
our
the
time.
Filing
deadline
is
one
year
from
the
alleged
discriminatory
act.
So
as
long
as
the
person
files
a
complaint
within
one
year,
we
have
jurisdiction.
The
other
bars
to
jurisdiction
are,
did
it
happen
in
the
state.
H
You
know
likely
they're
only
going
to
be
coming
to
us
if
it
did
happen
in
the
state,
but
oddly
we
do
sometimes
get
inquiries
from
other
states.
Wyoming
comes
to
mind.
People
want
to
file
with
us.
We
have
no
jurisdiction
in
Wyoming,
of
course,
any
rate
the
person
again
if
it's
within
a
year,
if
it
happened
within
the
state
and
they're
alleging
a
discriminatory
act
based
on
a
protected
class.
We
must
investigate
that
case,
even
if,
on
its
face
a
reasonable
person,
my
assume
that
there
can't
be
any
merit
to
it.
H
If
they
meet
those
basic
jurisdictional
bars,
then
we
must.
The
statute
is
clear:
the
divisions
shall
investigate
those
cases.
That's
another
reason
why
the
majority
of
cases
that
come
before
us
are
going
to
result
in
no
probable
cause
findings,
any
rate
at
that
intake
stage
more
likely
than
not
we'll
establish
jurisdiction.
A
complaint
will
be
drafted,
along
with
a
request
for
information.
That's
sent
to
the
respondent.
H
Some
cases
are
good
candidates
for
mediation.
Importantly,
mediation
is
voluntary.
Both
parties
must
agree
to
voluntarily
mediate
if
they
do
and
the
parties
attempt
to
mediate.
And
it's
successful.
That's
the
end
of
the
case.
The
division
does
not
issue
a
determination
does
not
opine
whether
or
not
discrimination
has
occurred.
The
case
would
close
with
what's
called
a
no-fault
settlement
agreement
in
a
housing
situation.
H
Importantly,
any
housing
case
that
settles,
regardless
of
if
it
settles
at
the
initial
stage
or
later
on,
it's
going
to
have
to
include
something:
that's
what
we
call
vindicating
the
public
interest,
so
this
would
be
a
policy
change
or
a
change
in
general
rules
or
training
being
required
for
certain
staff
members
to
vindicate
the
public
interest.
This
is
an
attempt
to
further
fair
housing.
H
So
again,
any
housing
case
that
results
in
a
settlement,
either
at
the
initial
stage
or
later
on,
is
going
to
require
something
to
vindicate
the
public
interest,
assuming
that
the
parties
don't
mediate
or
they
attempt
to
mediate,
and
it's
not
successful.
The
case
just
goes
to
investigation.
Individual
investigator
is
going
to
conduct
interviews
to
answer
visits.
Things
like
that.
Ideally,
though,
within
a
hundred
days
from
the
filing
date,
the
investigator
will
present
a
report
to
the
division
director
who
will
ultimately
issue
that
determination,
I
referred
to
earlier
the
letter
of
determination.
We
call
it
shorthand.
H
Lod
termination
will
set
forth
the
elements
of
the
case,
the
facts
of
the
case,
the
elements
of
the
law
and
then
the
analysis
of
whether
or
not
discrimination
occurred
again.
The
majority
of
those
determinations,
no
probable
cause,
at
which
case
the
complainant
that
aggrieved
party
can
appeal
to
the
Commission
or
in
the
occurrence
where
discrimination
has
been
found.
The
parties
again
go
to
conciliation,
where,
hopefully,
that
one
final
time
the
parties
are
able
to
reach
a
resolution.
Otherwise
the
case
is
going
to
hearing
which,
again,
it's
really
just
starting
a
lawsuit
from
the
beginning.
H
The
case
would
actually
go
before
an
administrative
law
judge
an
ALJ,
but
after
that
the
case
is
appealed
to
the
State
Court
of
Appeals
and
then
the
state
Supreme
Court
and
then
from
there.
It's
necessarily
the
US
Supreme
Court
and
cases
that
do
originate
before
the
Division
one,
particularly
and
recently
have
made
it
directly
to
the
US
Supreme
Court.
So
it's
rare,
but
it
does
certainly
happen
any
questions
that
was
a
real,
broad
and
quick
overview
of
the
divisions,
jurisdiction
and
procedure.
H
H
Know
I
it's
hard
to
attribute
to
one
specific
thing:
I
think.
Certainly
sexual
harassment
cases
have
increased
with
a
high
profile
of
the
me2
movement,
but
also
I.
Think
there's
just
been
I
mean
statistics
show
that
recently
I
think
it
was
the
FBI
that
released
statistics
that
showed
hate
crimes
were
on
the
rise,
so
people
generally
might
be
feeling
more
at
risk
or
threatened
based
on
a
protected
class.
Also,
just
our
outreach
efforts
have
increased
substantially.
Try
a
lot
of
people.
I
travel
throughout
the
state.
H
A
lot
of
people
might
not
even
be
aware
that
the
Civil
Rights
Division
even
exists,
so
it
could
be
a
lot
of
reasons,
but
I
think
part
of
it
is
us
just
the.
How
do
I
say
this?
The
temperament
political
temperament
and
me
to
movement
and
just
knowledge.
We've
also
now
have
complaints
have
the
ability
to
initiate
case
filing
online
now,
whereas
they
used
to
only
be
through
traditional
paper
intake
packets,
so
the
ease
of
filing
might
also
probably
also
contributes
to
the
increase.
H
The
percentage,
not
necessarily
but
the
raw
number
of
probable
cause
findings
has
gone
up
yeah.
So
yes,
and
no
I,
think
also
a
lot
of
cases
are
settling
earlier
on.
I
can
say:
I
can't
I
cannot
comment
on
any
any
cases
before
the
division
are
confidential,
but
we
do
track
and
are
required
to
share
in
our
annual
report.
H
The
number
of
cases
that
settle
in
more
cases
are
certainly
settling,
and
you
know
I've
seen
that
cases
involving
like
sexual
harassment,
allegations
in
a
workplace
are
going
to
be
more
likely
to
settle
so
we're
definitely
seeing
that
happen.
Now.
I
mentioned
we
work,
we
be
in
the
division
work
with
our
federal
counterparts
and
housing,
US
Department
of
Housing
and
Urban
Development,
specifically
there
fheo,
Fair,
Housing
and
equal
opportunity.
Office
HUD
is
gigantic.
H
So
fheo
is
my
office,
but
we
work
closely
with
them.
We
have
what's
called
a
work
share
agreement.
Basically,
the
federal
government
and
the
state
government
have
agreed
that
Coty's
Fair
Housing
Clause
is
substantially
equivalent
to
the
Federal
Fair
Housing
Act.
Therefore,
we
have
an
agreement
with
HUD
that
any
cases
that
otherwise
would
have
federal
jurisdiction
based
on
the
number
of
housing
units
involved
if
there's
federal
jurisdiction,
necessarily
their
state
jurisdiction.
H
Even
if
a
person
goes
directly
to
HUD
to
file
a
complaint,
HUD
will
just
defer,
or
refer
that
case
to
CC
Rd
for
us
to
investigate
again,
the
laws
are
substantially
similar
between
federal
and
state
law.
There
is
variance
and
that's
where
actually
state
law
provides
greater
protection
and
not
specifically
in
the
enumerated
protected
classes.
So
Colorado
law
provides
the
sexual
orientation.
Gender
identity
and
marital
status
are
all
protected
classes.
H
Sexual
orientation
and
gender
identity
have
been
protected
classes
since
2007.
Actually,
so
we
were
one
of
the
first
states
to
include
those
that's
protected
classes
and
that
is
across
the
board,
whereas
on
the
federal
level,
none
of
those
are
explicitly
protected
classes.
Now,
under
the
previous
federal
administration
instill
because
there
hasn't
been
any
official
change,
sexual
orientation
is
covered
under
the
the
theory
that
sexual
orientation,
discrimination
and
gender
identity
discrimination
necessarily
fit
under
sex
discrimination,
more
broadly
so
sex
stereotypes.
So
it's
covered
on
sex,
of
course,
as
a
protected
class
on
the
federal
level.
H
Again,
it
was
quite.
It
was
clear
that
that
was
the
way
the
previous
federal
administration
went
about
it.
The
status
quo
remains,
however,
the
Department
of
Justice
has
in
at
least
employment.
Cases,
said
that
sexual
orientation
is
not
included
in
that,
but
that's
title,
seven
separate
from
title
eight
and
that's
the
Department
of
Justice,
but
regardless
sexual
orientation,
gender
identity
are
absolutely
protected
classes
in
the
state
of
Colorado
and
have
been
again
since
2007
and.
H
And
generally,
when
you
have
an
entity
providing
protections,
it's
the
greater
the
broader
the
protection
is
what's
going
to
prevail,
so
kind
of
counterintuitive
to
the
idea
of
the
Supremacy
Clause,
where
federal
law
will
trump
any
local
law.
That's
only
that's
that's
the
floor,
not
the
ceiling.
So
if
the
ceiling,
the
greater
the
protection
is,
what's
gonna
prevail,
looking
at
the
specific
language
in
kata
and
some
of
those
key
definitions,
an
aggrieved
person,
that's
the
complainant
who,
again
that
could
be
any
person
or
an
entity.
H
Person
is
very
broadly
defined
as
well
by
any
person
who
claims
to
have
been
injured
by
a
discriminatory
housing
practice.
Work
will
be
injured
by
one
that
has
yet
to
occur.
So
it's
even
a
speculative
harm.
Importantly,
the
state
fair
housing
laws,
as
well
as
the
federal,
provide
potential,
injunctive
relief,
so
potential
relief
in
the
form
of
having
a
core
enjoying
a
party
from
engaging
in
a
certain
act
or
stop
an
eviction.
For
instance,
it's
rare,
but
those
are
protections
in
there.
Housing
is
also
defined
in
kata
and
Coty's.
H
Definition
of
housing
is
broader
than
the
federal
definition
of
housing.
The
FHA,
the
Federal
Fair
Housing
Act
limits
or
qualifies
housing
as
being
a
dwelling
in
Colorado,
it's
listed
any
building,
structure,
vacant,
land
or
part
thereof.
So
the
fact
it's
building
instead
of
dwelling,
there's
an
argument
to
be
made
that
this
could
include
not
just
residential
property
by
even
commercial
property.
There
have
been
some
commercial
claims.
None
of
them
have
got
to
the
level
where
a
court
as
a
pint
or
at
least
a
control,
a
court
that
would
have
controlling
jurisdiction
over
the
matter.
H
But
that
is
one
thing
that
where
it's
broader
in
the
state
definition
of
housing,
but
importantly
again
it
includes
vacant
land
so,
for
instance,
of
a
municipalities
making
a
decision
about
what
to
do
or
what
can
be
done
with
a
piece
of
land,
that's
otherwise
vacant
or
undeveloped.
It
is
covered
under
fair
housing,
both
on
the
federal
and
state
level.
H
Now
I
mentioned
that,
if,
if
cases
fall
under
federal
jurisdiction,
HUD
will
generally
refer
those
cases
to
us
because
we're
necessarily
going
to
have
jurisdiction,
we
be
in
the
state.
The
state's
fair
housing
laws
are
very
broadly
applied.
So,
basically,
if
a
person
owns
a
rental
unit
or
land
other
than
their
primary
residence
in
which
they
reside
that
other
unit,
so
that
lets
say
a
person,
Jane
Doe
owns
a
house
and
she
owns
an
apartment.
Two
blocks
away.
H
That
apartment
is
subject
to
the
state:
fair
housing
laws,
whereas
it
would
not
be
subject
to
federal,
fair
housing
laws.
Jane
Doe
would
have
to
own
at
least
three
other
units,
besides
her
primary
residence,
to
found
her
federal
law.
That
is
not
so
with
the
state.
She
it's
only
one
besides
the
residents
that
she
lives
in.
H
So
therefore,
the
really
the
only
permissible
discrimination
is
when
a
it's
what's
called
the
mrs.
Murphy's
exemption-
and
this
is
true
on
the
federal
level-
that's
where
it
actually
got
its
name,
a
person
who's
renting
out
a
room
within
their
primary
residence
where
they
actually
live.
So
the
idea
was
in
1968
when
they
were
debating
the
Fair
Housing
Act
in
Congress.
What
about
poor,
Mrs
Murphy,
the
widow
who
wants
to
rent
out
her
attic
apartment?
Can
she
say
that
she's
only
gonna
rent
to
a
woman
who
attends
the
same
church
as
her?
H
H
Importantly,
though,
it's
technically
a
violation
to
advertise
so
to
put
that
same
advertisement
on
Craigslist,
that's
discriminatory
advertising,
which
is
a
violation
technically
a
fair
housing
law.
But
then
you
get
into
First
Amendment
considerations.
So
generally
you
know,
that's
not
something.
That's
gonna
be
pursued
the
other
exception
and
really
this
falls
under
public
accommodations,
but
private
clubs
are
not.
A
H
You
have
to
have
at
least
four
units,
one
inning
well,
three,
three,
besides
your
primary
residence
right.
So
if
you
oh
so
necessarily
it's
going
to
assume
that
you're
living
in
one
of
those,
so
it
would
be
four
technically
so
three
other.
But
yes,
on
the
federal
level,
you
can't
a
person
a
housing
provider
could
discriminate
in
that
way,
but
that
would
be
the
owner
of
the
of
the
housing
any
arguably
any
larger
entity
wouldn't
fall
under
that
exemption.
A
single
owner,
yeah.
C
H
So
a
retirement
home,
nursing
facility,
homeless,
shelters
generally,
those
would
be
treated
as
public
accommodations,
so
there
are
public.
Of
course,
cotta
has
its
own
public
accommodation
laws
and
title
2
of
the
Civil
Rights
Act
I
believe
I
could
have
the
title.
Wrong
covers
public
accommodations
as
well,
but,
depending
so
a
homeless,
shelter
probably
is
gonna
founder,
a
public
accommodation,
whether
it's
a
public
accommodation
or
housing.
Another
example,
public
accommodation,
would
be
a
hotel
but,
for
instance,
extended
stay.
Hotels
might
fall
under
housing.
H
If
you
look
at
the
duration
of
the
stay
in
the
intent
to
return
some
people
in
reality
end
up
actually
living
extended,
stay
hotels.
So,
yes,
fair
housing
law
can
be
applied
to
hotels,
homeless,
shelters
and
nursing
homes.
Nursing
homes
is
almost
certainly
yes,
but
other
care
facilities,
hospitals.
Those
are
specifically
carved
out
in
the
public
accommodation
law,
the
biggest
difference
in
public
accommodation.
Discrimination
is
the
length
that
you
could
length
of
time
that
you
can
file.
You
only
have
60
days
on
public
accommodation
cases
to
file,
whereas
again
in
housing,
you
have
a
year.
H
Also,
the
remedies
available
for
housing
cases
are
much
greater
than
public
accommodation
cases.
So
if
it
came
down
to
it
there,
probably
it
would
come
down
to
an
argument
more
of.
Is
it
a
public
accommodation
or
housing?
And
again
that
looks
at
the
duration
of
the
stay
and
the
intent
to
return,
and
if,
when
analyzing
those
things,
if
it
leans
towards
housing,
then
fair
housing
laws
would
probably
apply.
H
So
what
is
prohibited,
unfair
housing
practices
and
there's
a
laundry
list
here,
but
by
no
means
is
this
exhaustive,
because
you
can
assign
a
name
to
unfair
housing
practices,
whatever
you
want,
but
these
are
the
most
common
ones:
refusal
to
rent
or
sell.
That's
gonna,
be
the
number
one
claim.
Well,
let
me
take
that
back.
The
number
one
claim
and
the
number
one
basis
that
people
make
claims
on
is
disability.
H
So
the
number
one
reason
people
claim
they're
being
discriminate
against
would
be
a
basis
of
disability,
and
that
includes
both
physical
and
mental
disability.
The
number
one
harm
that
people
claim
is
a
allegation
of
a
refusal
or
failure
to
accommodate
a
disability,
our
failure
to
provide
a
reasonable
accommodation.
So
that's
the
number
one
and
again
that's
across
the
board.
If
people
claim
they're
being
discriminate
against
the
workplace,
it's
going
to
be
linked
to
disability,
housing
and
public
accommodation,
etc.
H
If
you
take
that
aside,
the
number
one
harm
which
also
would
go
with
disability
is
an
allegation
of
a
refusal
to
rent
or
sell
a
property.
But
there
are
other
things
up
there.
Redlining
steering
and
we'll
look
redlining
and
steering
again.
Advertising
with
a
discriminatory
preference
or
limitation
is
a
technical
violation,
but
we
don't
see
too
much
of
those
cases
because
again
there's
a
First
Amendment
consideration.
They
necessarily
you
need
a
tread
carefully
around
misrepresentation
of
availability,
that's
actually
something
that
we
see
quite
often
a
person.
H
There's
agencies,
advocacy
agencies
that
will
engage
in
what's
called
testing
they'll
present
rental
applications
that
have
names
that
a
person
would
assume
are
associated
with
one
minority
or
not,
and
suddenly
an
apartment
won't
be
available
where
it
was
available
for
someone
else.
It
happens
more
often
than
you'd
think,
but
some
of
the
more
unique
ones
steering
steering
is
kind
of
what
it
sounds
like
you're,
guiding
or
steering
a
group
of
people
into
one
area
of
an
apartment
complex.
H
H
Well,
let's
say
that
the
manager
of
that
complex
decides,
while
all
families
or
every
hold
that
has
somebody
under
the
age
of
15,
we're
gonna
put
in
building
C,
and
maybe
it
even
comes
from
a
good
place,
they're
saying:
well,
we
don't
want
them
to
be
by
the
busy
road.
We
want
them
to
be
all
near
each
other
and
have
the
playground
accessible
sure
that
I
mean
it
sounds
great.
H
But
then
you
think
they're
steering
a
group
of
people
based
on
their
protected
class,
replace
residents
or
households
where
one
of
the
members
is
younger
than
15
and
say
that
they're
only
going
to
put
black
people
and
in
building
C,
then
it's
more
clearly
discrimination.
But
that's
just
one
example
of
steering:
redlining
I
don't
have
any
text
up
there,
but
I
actually
have
an
image
of
redlining
map
of
the
city
of
Denver
from
1938.
H
H
Usually
now
you
see
that
with
lenders,
insurers,
sometimes
as
well,
retaliation
at
retaliation
is
unique
because
it's
almost
like
its
own
protected
class,
but
also
a
harm.
So
when
a
person
engages
in
a
protected
activity
for
the
purposes
of
fair
housing
law,
a
protected
activity
is
opposition
to
discrimination
or
participation,
an
investigation
thereof.
H
So
a
person
opposes
discrimination
by
alleging
that
they've
been
discriminate
against
alleging
that
someone
else
has
being
discriminate
against
either
by
a
policy
or
actual
treatment
whatever
so
long
as
they
have
a
good
faith
belief
that
discrimination
has
occurred
and
they
complain
about
it.
They've
engaged
in
a
protect
activity
and
they
cannot
be
retaliated
against
for
doing
so.
The
same
thing
is
with
participation
in
an
investigation.
So
let's
say
that
a
complaint
is
filed
against
the
city
and
a
city
employees
named
as
a
potential
witness
or
they're
interviewed
by
an
investigator.
H
That's
any
employee
provides
a
statement
that
is
not
necessarily
favorable
to
the
city.
That
employee
is
protected
from
retaliation.
Now
that
doesn't
mean
that
any
person
who's
engaged
in
a
protected
activity
is
suddenly
untouchable.
But
what
it
does
mean
is
that,
if,
for
some
reason
that
employee
needs
to
be
written
up,
the
city
better
be
prepared
to
say
here's
the
legitimate,
non-discriminatory
reason.
H
H
Goes
on
the
news
channel
and
accuses
a
housing
provider,
a
big
apartment,
company
of
engaging
and
discriminatory
practices,
and
then
they
themselves
apply
to
live
in
one
of
their
communities
and
their
obligations.
Denied
that
looks
an
awful
lot
like
retaliation
based
on
engaging
in
protected
activity.
Retaliation
is
aside
from
disability.
Retaliation
would
be
the
next
most
common
claim
for
protected
class
that
people
will
file
a
complaint.
H
So
let's
look
at
the
enumerated
protected
classes
when
it
comes
to
housing.
Now,
if
it's
not
what?
If
it's
not
listed
here
on
the
list
of
protected
classes,
it
would
be
a
permissible
reason
for
lack
of
a
better
term
to
discriminate
so,
for
instance,
height,
and
we
are
not
protected
classes
being
bald.
It's
not
a
protected
class,
so
a
person
could
say
I'm,
not
gonna,
rent
to
you,
because
you're
bald,
probably
wouldn't
be
a
wise
thing
to
do,
and
the
person
could
probably
attach
a
protected
class
to
one
of
those
attributes.
H
But
again
it
needs
to
be
specifically
listed
as
a
protected
class.
Disability
again
includes
both
physical
and
mental
disability.
We'll
look
at
the
definition,
but
some
of
the
other,
more
obvious
ones
are
more
common
ones
that
people
see
race,
color,
national
origin,
ancestry,
marital
status,
marital
status
and
familial
status
will
look
at
more
deeply
retaliation,
though
we
just
discussed
and
again
sexual
orientation
and
gender
identity.
H
Now
there's
annum,
when
the
legislation
was
drafted
to
include
sexual
orientation,
the
reason
it
says,
including
transgender
status,
up
there,
it's
just
the
way
that
the
statute
was
written,
in
my
opinion,
an
unfortunate
way,
but
the
way
the
legislature
wrote
it
was.
Sexual
orientation
includes
transgender
status,
but
for
all
intents
and
purposes
when
they
say
true,
when
it's
transgender
status,
we're
talking
about
gender
identity.
J
H
The
so
it
would
be
up
to
the
state,
legislature
and
I
know
that
during
the
last
legislative
session
it
didn't
get
any
legs,
but
felony
status.
It's
called
ban
the
Box
movement
that
related
specifically
to
employment
discrimination.
Another
one
I
believe
some
cities
have
done.
This
is
source
of
income
when
it
comes
to
housing,
so
specifically
having
sorts
of
income
as
a
protected
class.
So,
for
instance,
a
person
who
has
a
sector,
a
housing
provider
has
no
obligation
to
necessarily
accept
a
section
8
voucher.
H
By
what
probably
happens,
more
often
than
certain
people
would
like
to
admit
is
that
a
housing
provider
would
reject
an
applicant
merely
because
they're,
a
recipient
of
section,
8
housing,
so
that
source
of
income
or
because
they're
on
disability
income,
so
that
source
of
income
might
become
those
are
the
two
that
come
to
mind:
felony
status
and
source
of
income.
But
again,
ultimately,
it
would
be
up
to
the
alleged
the
state
legislature,
at
least
in
terms
of
cada,
to
add
we're
I've,
never
heard
of
any
removal
of
a
protected
class
generally.
H
C
H
And
at
least
on
the
state,
it's
not
explicit
on
the
state
level,
but
when
it
comes
to
national
origin
in
ancestry,
that
is
the
case.
You
can't
discriminate
against
the
person,
regardless
of
their
immigration
status
and
employment
or
in
housing.
So
it
wants
not
explicit
on
the
state
level
that
would
be
included.
H
So
when
we're
looking
at
this
discrimination,
we're
looking
at
two
broad
ideas
or
definitions
of
discrimination,
that
would
be
disparate
treatment.
That's
clear
differential
treatment
based
on
protected
class,
renting
too,
why
not
renamed
to
non-whites
but
running,
to
whites,
renamed
to
disabled,
not
to
non-disabled
persons,
but
not
renamed
to
disabled
persons
or
persons
with
disabilities.
Pretty
clear,
there's
going
to
be
a
usual,
usually
there's
going
to
be
an
animus
or
an
intent
to
discriminate,
but
not
always,
but
again
this
comes
down
to
actual
differential
treatment,
whether
intentional
or
not
so.
D
It
kind
of
it
I,
don't
know
if
this
fits
in
this,
but
Adam
and
I
were
kind
of
talking
about
it
earlier
today,
with
the
gap
coming
between
the
haves
and
the
have-nots
more
and
more,
and
especially
in
renting,
especially,
we
see
it
in
Boulder.
Here
too,
it's
like
if
you
go
to
rent
a
place,
you're
getting
charged
first,
last
etc,
and
to
me
it
seems,
like
almost
I,
don't
want
to
say
poor
because
I,
you
know
I've
faced
it
myself
and
who's
sitting
on
15
grand
to
go
rent
a
place.
H
That
kind
of
dovetails
nicely
and
to
the
idea
of
disparate
impact,
so
disparate
impact
is
discrimination
that
occurs
when
you
have
a
on
its
face,
a
neutral
rule
such
as
acquiring
a
deposit
of
first
and
last
month's
rent,
and
they
you
know,
that's
would
be
like
well.
This
applies
to
everyone,
regardless
of
protected
class,
but
there
could
be
a
disparate
impact
now.
The
truth
is
just
like
you
pointed
out
that
that
disparate
impact
is
not
necessarily
just
going
to
affect
one
group
it
could
affect.
H
H
Absent
that,
though,
it's
going
to
take
a
showing
of
a
disparate
impact
on
specific
minority
groups,
so
disparate
impact
goes
to
the
idea
that
you
have
a
neutral,
facially,
neutral
rule
applied
to
everyone
just
the
same,
but
it
disproportionately
affects
one
group.
So
one
example
of
that
would
be
the
use
of
criminal
background
checks
by
renter,
buy
used
by
rental
companies
to
screen
out
renters
now
criminal
background
checks
on
their
face
are
permissible.
H
They
can
be
considered
permissible,
non-discriminatory
reasons,
but
what
HUD
has
advised
and
what
courts
have
employed
is
an
idea
that
these
criminal
background
checks
need
to
be.
You
know,
taken
with
a
grain
of
salt,
you
can
denying
an
application,
because
somebody
has
some
sort
of
criminal
record
related,
that's
well
well
in
the
past,
and
not
related
to
violence
or
property.
Damage
probably
is
a
valid
reason
to
deny.
Certainly
I
even
saw
a
case
during
my
investigation,
where
the
apartment
the
apartment
company
was
denying
based
on
even
the
history
of
an
arrest.
H
So
that's
that's
an
example.
The
criminal
records
you
know,
there's
no
secret
that
there's
a
disproportionate
the
judicial
system
and
our
Criminal
Court
system
disproportionately
impacts
minority
communities.
So
that's
where
it
comes
with
the
disparate
impact
and
one
of
the
cases
you
know
the
Supreme
Court
heard
disparate
impact
case
in
2015,
and
the
idea
that
disparate
impacts
analysis
could
continue
to
be
used
in
housing
was
upheld.
So
that's
the
law.
H
This
very
impact
is
still
an
analysis
that
a
person
could
be
prevail
on
a
claim
of
housing
discrimination,
but
it's
certainly
not
easy
to
do
and
again
you're,
ultimately
going
to
have
to
connect
it
to
a
protected
class
and
all
cases
I've
seen
have
related
that
to
race
or
color.
But
it's
not
necessarily
limited
to
that.
Those
are
just
the
most
high-profile
cases.
H
Familial
status
on
the
screen
you'll
see
the
statutory
definition
of
familial
status,
but
really
it
just
comes
down
to
a
household.
If
one
of
the
members
of
the
household
is
younger
than
18,
they
qualify
as
familial
status
protection.
That
also
includes
a
woman
who
is
pregnant,
qualifies
as
being
protected
from
familial
status,
discrimination,
familial
status
discrimination.
We
usually
see
when
there's
occupancy
limitations
and
we're
gonna
look
at
that,
or,
like
that
example,
I
gave
earlier
of
the
steering
families
to
one
building
and
a
complex
or
rules
like
children
can't
use
the
pool
something
like
that.
H
Those
are
the
most
common
familial
status
cases.
Mc,
yes,
does
that
cover
like
guardianship
yeah
there
doesn't
have
to
be
so
long
as
the
person
has
legal
control
over
the
child.
Not
so
there
doesn't
need
to
be
a
court
order,
saying
that
you
know
that
they
have
legal
custody
so
long
as
they're.
They
can't
like
kidnap
the
kid,
but
there
doesn't.
There
does
have
to
be
any
biological
or
ordered
relationship
between
them,
so
it
could
just
be
an
import.
H
D
H
Marital
status
again,
this
is
a
protected
class
and
on
the
state
level,
but
not
in
federal
level,
but
marital
status
kind
of
self-explanatory,
but
importantly,
it
includes
being
single
or
cohabitating
or
engaged
so
sometimes
where
this
comes
up.
An
unmarried
young
couple
straight
or
gay
might
be
looking
to
rent
one
bedroom,
and
this
does
happen.
Even
today,
a
smaller
rental
provider
says
I'm,
not
gonna,
rent
a
one-bedroom
to
an
unmarried
couple.
That
would
be
the
basis
for
a
marital
status
claim
interesting.
H
D
H
H
Housing
for
older
persons
are
is
one
way
so
again,
that's
the
exception
to
familial
status.
Discrimination
so
remember,
age
is
not
a
protected
class
for
housing,
but,
however,
you
can't
have
housing
for
older
persons
so
generally
very,
very
broad
definition,
but
generally
you're
only
gonna
qualify
for
housing
for
older
people.
H
If
it's
intended
for
and
solely
occupied
by
persons,
62
plus
or
80%
or
more
is
occupied
in
at
least
one
of
the
persons
within
each
of
those
units
is
55
plus
and
the
person
who
operates
the
property
manager,
whatever
they
really
have
to
show
like
this
is
housing
for
older
persons.
They
have
to
show
that
they
market
it
that
way
that
they
advertise
it.
That
way,
that's
how
they
can
get
away
with.
H
Basically,
no
children
rule
that's
one
way
around
it,
but
the
housing
for
older
persons
still
needs
to
comply
with
every
other
protected
class,
sexual
orientation,
race,
color,
what-have-you,
occupancy
standards.
Now,
again,
that's
going
to
go
closely
with
familial
status
and,
along
with
a
copy
of
the
PowerPoint
presentation
that
I
passed
out.
All
of
you
is
a
copy
of.
What's
called
the
Keating
memo.
That's
from
HUDs
general
counsel,
it's
from
1991,
but
it's
still
good
guidance
because
it
hasn't
been
repealed,
rescinded
or
superseded.
H
So,
even
though
it's
aged
that
keyd
memo
still
stands
for
the
proposition
that
generally,
it's
going
to
be
presumed
that
2%
per
bedroom
is
a
reasonable
limitation
on
occupancy,
but
that's
that
presumption
of
reasonableness
is
rebuttable.
So
you
need
to
consider
the
size
of
the
room.
Let's
say
it's
a
one
bedroom,
but
that
one
bedroom
is
as
large
as
this
area
that
we're
in
right
now
limited
to
persons
probably
is
not
going
to
be
reasonable.
Also,
the
age
of
the
occupants,
an
infant,
has
less
impact
and
requires
less
room
than
an
adult
limitations
on
utilities.
H
So
maybe
it's
a
large
trailer
home
by
its.
You
know,
I'll
way
out
in
the
country
and
requires
a
septic
tank
and
it's
old
and
that
can
only
accommodate
so
many
people,
that's
actually
been
a
winning
defense
on
occupancy
standard,
the
limitation
on
the
septic
tank,
the
configuration
of
the
unit
bedrooms.
H
You
know
the
broad
definition
would
be
include
living
rooms
and
dens,
not
kitchens
or
bathrooms.
But
basically,
if
it's
a
bedroom
would
again
can
so
you
may
call
it
a
two-bedroom.
But
if
there's
a
large
enough
living
room,
that's
sufficiently
separate
from
the
kitchen
area,
then
that
living
room
could
be
considered
one
of
the
bedrooms,
and
so
that
too
might
now
accommodate
six.
H
D
H
I
mean
there
could
be
arguments
made
that
it's
not
that
it
does
run
afoul
of
fair
housing
law
and
when
we
taught
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
go
to
the
next
slide.
So
certainly
where
that's
been,
where
occupancy
limitations
like
that
have
been
challenged,
comes
to
group
homes
now
group
homes,
as
it
says,
on
the
slide
group
homes
are
not
legally
defined,
but
the
idea
is
it's
a
home
where
one
or
two
or
more
persons
who
are
disabled,
living
together
in
a
situation
independently.
H
So
the
idea
is
having
a
limitation
like
saying
that
what
three
unrelated
persons
in
a
six
bedroom
house
disproportionately
affects
or
disparately
impacts,
disabled
persons
who
want
to
live
in
that
group
home
setting.
So
that's
where
I've
seen
that
argument
be
made
successfully,
that
has
this
disproportionate
impact
on
disabled
persons,
who
can
benefit
from
living
in
these
communal
settings
or
in
these
group
homes.
H
Now
again,
that's
those
are
in
those
are
cases
that
you'll
see,
for
instance,
against
an
HOA
somebody
wants
to
make
home
within
a
covenant
control
community
into
a
group
home
for
persons
with
disabilities.
An
HOA
doesn't
want
to
approve
it
and
then
they're
gonna
get
a
complaint
against,
but
it
could
happen
in
a
zoning
situation
as
well.
H
Mean
that's
definitely
a
real
concern
and
absent
the
absent
the
legislature.
Expanding
that's,
unfortunately,
just
the
way
it
is.
But
again
you
know
local
governments
might
be
more
successful
in
expanding
those
rights,
but
then
it
takes
the
whatever
enforcement
arm
to
to
enforce
those
local
protections.
H
So
again,
group
homes,
that's
a
that's
a
big
one
person,
so
a
person
with
a
disability
is
defined
broadly
as
a
person
who
has
a
major
life
activity,
that's
substantially
impaired,
either
mental
or
physical.
So
it's
seneschal
a
substantial
impairment
of
a
major
life
activity.
Major
life
activities
can
really
be
anything
walking
talking
thinking
breathing,
but
it
could
also
be
like
your
immune
system.
H
Another
coverage
of
another
coverage
of
disability
is
addiction,
addiction
to
alcohol
and
addiction,
to
controlled
substance
to
controlled
and
illicit
substances
now
and
I'm.
Sorry,
apparently,
at
that
slide
is
missing
again.
Alcoholism,
addiction,
whether
to
illicit
or
pharmaceutical
drugs
are
those
are
disabilities.
There
can
be
no
argument
made
that
a
person
who's
an
alcoholic
that
their
major
life
activities
are
not
impacted
by
their
addiction.
The
key
is
that
if
a
person
who's
currently
engaged
in
the
illegal
use
of
a
controlled
substance,
they
are
not
protected
from
that
disability
discrimination.
H
H
They're
still
protected
because
again,
alcohols
not
illegal,
but
if
their,
if
their
disability
or
their
residency,
would
cause
a
direct
threat
to
health
or
safety.
That's
another
issue,
so
that
leads
into
the
disability
exclusions,
which
is
on
the
next
page.
So
again,
if
a
person's
currently
engage
in
the
illicit
use
of
a
substance,
they're
not
covered,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
if
it's
a
group
home
setting
that
everyone
else
who's
not
using,
is
suddenly
not
protected.
H
Just
that
one
individual
again,
regardless
of
the
disability,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
addiction
because
not
just
people
can
be
a
threat
to
health
or
safety,
whether
they're,
disabled
or
not,
or
whether
their
disability
relates
to
addiction.
If
that
person
poses
a
legitimate
direct
threat
to
health
or
safety,
they're
no
longer
protected
from
disability
discrimination
and
then
also
on
the
federal
level,
there's
carved
out
the
idea
that
juvenile
offenders
and
sex
offenders
cannot
claim
disability
protection,
at
least
as
it
relates
to
those
I'm,
not
sure
the
reasoning
behind
the
juvenile
offenders
sex
offenders.
H
Again,
it
has
to
be
if,
if
a
person
is
excluded
from
disability
protection,
there
has
to
be
a
specific
showing
that
that
individual
poses
a
direct
threat
to
persons
or
property,
and
it
has
to
be
an
individualized
assessment.
There
can't
be
speculation,
so
that's
that
you
know
that
would
happen
again,
just
using
a
sober
living,
community
or
group
home.
You
know:
speculation
well,
they're,
all
drunks
they're,
all
gonna
be
dangerous.
That's
speculation!
H
Now
person
can
qualify,
it
can
qualify
for
disability
discrimination,
even
if
they're
not
disabled,
but
we're
not
going
to
talk
about
that
for
this
purpose,
because
you're
only
entitled
a
person
is
only
entitled
to
accommodations
if
they're,
actually
physically
or
mentally
disabled,
reasonable
accommodation
is
gonna,
be
exception
to
a
rule
policy.
So,
for
a
municipal
standpoint,
zoning
variance
exception
to
some
sort
of
code
that
relates
to
I.
Don't
know
things
that
are
placed
on
the
front
porch,
something
like
that.
H
So
it's
it's
gonna
be
generally
a
a
change
or
an
exception
and
a
rule,
not
a
physical
modification,
which
is
a
separate
issue,
but
this
accommodation
it
needs
to
be
necessary
to
allow
the
disabled
person
or
persons
persons
with
disabilities
to
get
the
full
enjoyment
of
the
housing.
Easy
example.
Let's
say
that
there's
setback
requirements
for
how
that
say
that
no
there
can
be
no
construction
within,
however
many
feet
of
the
public
right
away,
while
an
exception.
A
reasonable
accommodation
would
be
an
exception
to
that
setback.
H
To
allow
somebody
to
build
a
wheelchair
ramp,
it's
necessary
to
allow
them
the
full
enjoyment
of
their
housing
because
they
have.
This
person
has
a
disability
that
limits
their
mobility.
Now,
a
housing
provider,
a
city
what-have-you,
they
can
deny
accommodation
request
if
there
is
no
connection
between
the
accommodation
requests
and
the
disability
or
if
the
providing
the
accommodation
would
result
in
an
undue
financial
and
administrative
burden
now
cost
is
not.
Cost
is
certainly
a
consideration,
but
it's
not
the
end-all
be-all,
and
you
know,
a
lot
of
respondents
will
make
that
cost
argument.
H
But
when
the
division
or
HUD
are
analyzing
a
case,
we
consider
the
resources
of
the
respondent
and
weigh
those
against
the
limited
resources
of
the
complainant
and
also
you
know
the
the
value
of
that
accommodation.
So
even
if
it
does
cost
a
respondent,
a
lot
of
money
to
do
something
the
benefit
might
outweigh,
even
if
it's
a
substantial
cost.
H
So
again,
the
reasonable
accommodation
request
can't
be
denied
if
they're,
unreasonable,
which
means
a
undue
financial
and
administrative
burden
or
a
fundamental
alteration
and
what
the
housing
providers
doing
so,
let's
say
allowing
you
know
a
fundamental
alteration
on
a
city
level.
Let's
say
like
changing,
allowing
an
industrial
use
in
a
residential
area
that
would
fundamentally
alter
the
nature
of
the
neighborhood,
but
the
industrial
develop.
H
You
know
someone
doing
that
wouldn't
be
covered
by
this
anyway,
but
just
an
example
and
again,
if
there's
no
connection
between
the
disability
in
the
accommodation
request,
it
can
be
rightfully
denied.
The
onus
is,
though,
on
the
party:
that's
making
the
accommodation
request
to
show
the
connection
I
skipped
over
this
one,
but
in
order
for
a
reasonable
accommodation
request
to
be
a
read,
Fireman,
something
needs
to
be
provided.
The
request
actually
has
to
be
made.
H
It
doesn't
need
to
be
made,
though,
by
the
person
benefiting
from
the
accommodation
it
can
be
made
by
someone
on
their
behalf.
It
could
be
made
by
their
representative,
their
caseworker,
a
family
friend,
and
it
does
they
don't
need
to
use
magic
words.
They
don't
need
to
say
pursuant
to
the
Fair
Housing
Act
I'm,
requesting
a
reasonable
accommodation.
The
question
would
be
what
a
reasonable
person
understand
that
they're
saying
they're
disabled
or
they
have
a
disability
and
they're
requesting
some
sort
of
accommodation
related
to
it,
and
it
doesn't
need
to
be
made
in
writing.
H
It's
fine
to
say:
please
provide
this
accommodation
request
in
writing,
so
we
can
better
understand
it,
but
a
party
is
on
notice
once
they
a
reasonable
person,
their
circumstance
would
understand.
The
request
is
being
made.
So
arguably
a
person
coming
in
here
and
saying
you
know,
I'm
requesting
this
accommodation
related
to
my
disability.
There
could
be
an
argument
made
that
they
have
made
that
reasonable
accommodation
request
and
now
the
expectation
is
a
prompt
response.
H
Now
prompt
is
not
defined
and
the
response
is
just
that.
It's
not
yes
or
no,
a
yea
or
nay
it's
a
response
would
be.
It
seems,
like
maybe
you're,
making
an
accommodation
request.
Let's
explore
this
more.
Let's
discuss
this
help
us
understand
that
but
ignoring
ignoring
the
request.
Even
if,
ultimately,
a
party
intends
to
grant
that
request.
H
There
was
a
case
against
the
city
mountain
community,
mountain
resort,
community,
a
person
wanted
some
sort
of
variance
to
allow
installation
of,
like
I,
think
like
an
Olympic
sized
swimming
pool
or
something
and
it
just
it
was.
It
was
technically
impossible,
but
the
city
did
the
good
thing
by
not
just
ignoring
it
and
engaging
in
this
interactive
process.
H
So
a
lot
of
people
say
show
me
the
license
for
that
service.
Animal
show
that
it's
a
service,
animal
or
an
emotional
support
animal.
Well,
there
is
no
governmental
entity
or
anything
that
actually
lysa
it.
As
far
as
the
federal
and
state
level,
there
might
be
local
things
that
do
this:
a
service,
animal
and
emotional
support
animal
they're,
legally
defined
they're,
not
defined
by
any
licensing
agency.
It's
not
like
your
driver's
license.
H
Anything
like
that,
so
you
can,
at
least
when
it
comes
to
federal
or
state
law,
require
that
a
person
provide
their
license
for
a
service
animal
or
an
emotional
support.
Animal
there
for
housing
provider
can't
require
specific
documentation
because
a
service
animal
again
an
emotional
support
animal
is
simply
defined
by
the
law.
H
Now
there
are
individuals
and
organizations
that
sell
these
certifications
and
usually
that's
exactly
what
they're
doing
they're
just
selling
these
their
certificates
they
have
leave.
They
have
some
nice
legal
language
on
them.
They
have
a
golden
certificate
and
a
big
signature,
but
they
mean
basically
nothing.
The
question
is
when
it
comes
to
sorry.
I
got
these
out
of
order
when
it
comes
to
an
assistance,
animal
which
is
a
term
of
art,
so
in
housing
we're
talking
about
assistance,
animals
necessarily
covers
both
service
animals
and
emotional
support
animals.
H
Service
animal
is
the
term
that
people
use
the
most
but
usually
are
misusing
it
a
service.
Animal
can
only
be
a
dog
or
a
miniature
horse.
Miniature
horses
were
actually
eliminated
from
the
protection
in
2013,
but
one
of
the
reasons
miniature
horses
were
ever
service.
Animals
is
live
longer
than
dogs
generally,
so
there
are
they're
still
good,
be
some
service
miniature
horses
out
there,
assisting
persons
that
are
covered,
but
any
rate
service
animals.
Again
only
a
dog
ur
miniature
horse.
They
have
to
be
individually
trained
to
perform
a
specific
tasks
related
to
a
person's
disability.
H
So
that
would
be
the
easiest
example
that
everybody
understands
as
a
seeing-eye
dog,
a
person
who
has
vision,
impaired
house,
a
dog
who's
been
individually
specifically
trained
to
help
them
with
their
vision,
impairment.
Sometimes
they're.
Not
that
obvious,
though
there
are
dogs
who
are
trained
to
anticipate.
If
their
handler
is
going
to
have
epileptic
seizure,
they
can
alert
their
handler.
The
handler
will
lay
on
the
ground.
The
dog
will
lay
over
them
service.
Animals
have
free
rein,
they
can
be
in
housing
that
can
be
in
places
of
employment.
They
can
even
be
in
hospitals.
H
Now
they
can't
be
in
the
operating
room,
but
depending
on
the
circumstance
they
can
be
in
the
recovery
room
service
animals
again
free
rein.
They
could
be
here,
but
again
they
are
individually
trained
to
perform
a
specific
task
related
to
a
disability,
and
those
are
the
only
questions
that
a
handler
can
be
asked.
Is
this
a
service
animal
and
is
it
individually
trained
to
perform
a
specific
task
related
to
a
disability?
You
can't
say
now
perform
that
task
or
anything
like
that
and
you.
The
task
can
also
not
be
set
or
just
alleviate
my
anxiety.
H
If
it
comes
down
to
just
I
shouldn't
say
just
if
it
comes
down
to
alleviating
anxiety
or
depression.
That
would
be
emotional
support,
animal.
They
don't
emotional,
some
more
animals,
don't
have
free
rein,
they're,
basically
only
gonna
be
allowed
in
housing
settings,
and
but
when
it
comes
to
emotional
support
animals,
it
can
be
any
kind
of
animal.
So
it
could
be
a
cat,
a
dog.
H
It
could
be
a
goldfish,
it
could
be
whatever,
but
its
mere
presence
can
provide
the
therapeutic
effect
for
a
person,
so
it
doesn't
need
to
be
individually
trained
or
anything
like
that,
but
that
emotional
support
animals
they
don't
need
to
be
allowed
in
grocery
stores
and
restaurants.
Whatever
I
was.
D
Because
yeah
I
used
to
go
into
I
deal
all
the
time
and
I'd
see
people
walking
through
with
their
dogs
and
I
was
like
I
can't
bring
my
Great
Dane
in
here.
Yet
you
have
this
and
and
what
I
asked
the
clerk
was
that
because
they're
so
unclear
they
don't
they've
just
taking
a
hands-off
approach
to
it,
which.
H
You
know
it's
it's
unfortunate,
because
I
think
there's
abuse
of
people
partially
just
misunderstand
what
a
service
animal
is
what
emotionals
for
animal-
and
you
know
when
it
comes
to
restaurants
and
things-
that's
specifically
written
that
a
service
animal,
the
mere
presence
of
a
service
animal
will
not
result
in
a
health
code
violation
for
a
restaurant.
So
that's
what
you
know:
they're
allowed
there.
There's
things
carved
into
the
law
to
allow
that,
but
also,
even
if
it
is
a
legitimate
service
animal,
it
needs
to
be
under
control.
H
So
I
I
did
a
training
at
a
movie
theater
and
the
staff.
There
were
telling
me
the
situation
where
a
person
had
his
service
dog.
It
was
a
legitimate
service
dog
without
question,
but
sometime
during
the
movie,
the
dog
just
started
barking
and
they
didn't
know
what
to
do.
That
would
be
a
fine
time
to
remove
the
dog
in
the
handler
because
they,
the
dog,
was
fundamentally
in
the
fundamental
purpose
of
the
movie
theater
just
like
here.
H
You'd
have
to
allow
a
service
dog
here,
but
if
it
started
causing
a
disturbance,
then
that
would
be
a
valid
reason
to
have
it
removed
handler
is
also
required
to
take
make
sure
their
animals
under
control
clean
up
after
it
feeding
care
for
it.
Just
because
it's
a
service
animal
doesn't
mean
it's
absolved
of
all
requirements
of
decency.
There's
a
super.
H
So
that
so
that
would
be
a
form
of
a
reasonable
accommodation,
the
HOA,
so
the
accommodation
would
be
an
exception
to
an
otherwise
blanket,
no
pet
policy.
However,
in
that
circumstance
the
HOA
can
say,
provide
me
some
sort
of
documentation
that
shows
one.
You
meet
the
definition
of
disability,
so
you
have
a
mental
or
physical
impairment
that
substantially
limits
a
major
life
activity
which
is
relatively
easy
to
do,
because
it
could
you
don't
need
to
reveal
the
diagnosis,
but
in
actuality,
emotional
support,
animal,
a
therapist
could
say
you
know.
H
John
Doe
has
been
diagnosed
with
anxiety.
The
presence
of
his
cat
Garfield
alleviates
that
anxiety.
That
would
be
sufficient
by
that
letter
to
the
HOA.
The
HOA
should
allow
that
animal.
Now,
if
that
animal
starts,
causing
issues
like
destroying
property
or
attacking
people,
then
that
would
again
be
a
basis
for
removal.
Otherwise,
yes,
the
HOA
needs
to
make
an
exception.
H
Allergies
are
not
a
sufficient
defense.
Things
like
that
emotional
support
animals
and
service
animals
are
always
a
hot
topic
when
it
comes
to
landlords.
That's
usually
what
we
spend
most
of
our
time
on
now,
I
know:
I've
gone
a
little
bit
over
I
apologize,
just
real,
quick,
the
some
of
the
results
of,
if
there's
a
violation
of
Fair
Housing
law,
some
of
the
things
that
can
happen.
H
I
mentioned
injunctive
relief
is
available,
so
the
civil
rights
division
could
go
to
a
judge
and
say
announce
the
judge
to
stop
to
enjoin
a
party
from
engaging
in
a
behavior
to
say
you
cannot
go
forward
with
this
change
in
zoning.
You
cannot
develop
this
apartment
or
you
cannot
evict
this
person
rehiring
reinstatement
and
back
pay
of
employees.
H
So
that
is
true,
even
though
this
is
housing,
because
employees
of
housing
providers
or
other
entities
that
are
covered
by
the
Fair
Housing
Act
might
assist
the
division
investigation
or
they
might
report
the
entity
that
they
work
for
and
if
they
are
retaliating
against,
like
they're
fired,
then
a
result
could
be.
That
party
is
ordered
to
reinstate
that
person
granting
of
financial
assistance
creation
of
reports
to
the
Commission.
H
So
that's
something
that
happens:
the
Commission
might
require
housing
provider
to
say,
give
us
a
list
of
people
who
have
applied
for
your
apartments,
give
us
a
list
of
who
you
denied
and
why
things
like
that,
and
they
have
to
report
to
the
Commission.
Every
quarter.
I
mentioned
the
vindication
of
the
public
interest,
so
that
would
be
training,
so
that
would
be
something
I.
Do
I
travel
to
state
and
I
go
and
talk
to
HOA
boards
and
explain
to
them
about
service
animals,
or
things
like
that.
H
Usually,
though
it
would
be
a
change
in
policy,
but,
of
course,
there's
also
the
possibility
for
real
monetary
damages,
so
it
used
to
be
state
law
did
not
provide
for
recovery
of
attorneys
fees
or
punitive
damages.
Those
are
now
under
state
law.
The
important
thing
is
that
those
used
to
only
up
until
2013
those
were
only
available
in
federal
court
now
they're
available
in
state
court,
just
logistically
speaking
it
takes
longer,
is
more
expensive
and
arduous
to
go
to
federal
court
and
have
a
jury
trial
than
it
is
in
state
court.
H
H
So
with
as
far
as
the
division,
no
so
any
cases
again
any
cases
before
the
division
are
kept
confidential
and
they're
not
subject
to
Quora
a
car
at
open
records
act.
They
are
exempted
from
Chora.
However,
the
division
does
compile
and
release
every
year
an
annual
report
that
just
gives
the
raw
breakdown
of
the
numbers.
Now
one
exception
to
that
is
HUD
I
mentioned
those
no-fault
settlement
agreements,
no
fought
sediment
agreements
are
again
the
agreements
where
a
party
has
where
two
parties
have
reached
a
settlement.
H
Those
no-fault
settlement
agreements
generally
are
going
to
be
a
part
of
the
public
record
but
they're
a
part
of
federal
public
record,
so
they're
subject
to
FOIA
requests,
but
that
would
be
you
know.
I
can't
speak
to
that,
because
that's
on
the
federal
level.
That
said
any
cases
once
they
reach
the
Commission
and
are
set
for
hearing
those
also
become
public
record
and
I'm,
not
sure
of
a
central
depository
for
those,
but
generally
they're
going
to
be
followed
with
press
releases
and
things
like
that.
Hud
certainly
will
do
press
releases
in
any
big
impactful
cases.
E
H
So
that
would
be
so.
The
question
was
regarding
whether
it
falls
under
federal
or
state
jurisdiction.
If
so,
if
the
property
owner,
the
housing
provider
owns
more
than
four
units
total
one
of
those
units
being
their
primary
residence,
they
live
in.
It's
just
that.
They
fall
under
that
category
now
yeah,
when
it's
a
respondent
that
isn't
your
traditional
housing
provider
like
somebody,
who's
offering
a
place
for
rent
like
a
municipality
I
mean
a
municipalities.
H
Always
there
might
be
some
exception,
I
shouldn't
say
always,
but
I
cannot
think
of
a
circumstance
in
which
municipality
or
government
any
entity
that's
engaged
like
in
linden
or
anything
like
that
would
not
be
covered
about
your
traditional
housing
providers
for
federal
jurisdiction,
again,
four
or
more
one
of
those
four
being
their
primary
residents
in
which
they
live,
but
with
state
fair
housing.
It's
anything
beyond
this,
the
primary
residence
that
they
live
in.
D
B
Just
have
a
comment
so
on
the
group
homes
city
of
Boulder
allows
group
homes
and
pretty
much
every
zoning
district
in
the
city.
Ironically,
not
in
the
public
phone
or
agriculture.
There
might
be
one
other
zone,
but
you
can
have
8
people
per
dwelling
unit.
So
if
it's
single-family
neighborhood
that's
one
dwelling
unit,
the
city
manager
can
increase
that
to
10
that
that's
one
of
the
conditions
that
conditions
are
not
hard
to
meet
and
there's
parking
based
on
the
type
of
home.
B
H
Good
a
year,
I
think
one
thing
sometimes
you
see,
though,
is
the
differentiation
between
disabilities,
so
one
of
the
classic
cases
was
allowing
group
homes
for
certain
disabilities,
but
not
ones
that
are
more
stigmatized
like
HIV
or
addiction.
I,
doubt
that's
happening
up
here,
but
that's
one
way.
Whereas
municipality,
you
could,
you
know,
say:
I'll,
look
at
all
of
our
group
homes
that
we
allow
for
disabled
persons,
but
it's
only
limited
to
non
stigmatized
again.
I'm,
not
I.
H
H
D
D
First
up
Standing
Committee
reports
and
I:
don't
believe
we
have
any
reports
from
anything
okay,
so
we're
gonna,
move
on
to
special
committee
reports
and
I.
Think
it's
not
something
from
you
guys
in
that,
but
it
in
the
in
a
packet.
But
maybe
that
was
in
the
letter,
so
we'll
go
on
to
unfinished
business.
For
the
annual
letter
to
council
review
the
draft.
C
You
know
I've
now
been
reading
it
so
many
times,
I,
think
and
stuff
that
I
have
a
couple
of
suggestions
for
very
small
changes.
That
I
don't
think
we
have
to
make
motions
for
if
we
all
agree,
but
when
it
says
in
blue
input,
you
requested
I
think
it
would
be
more
appropriate
if
we
said
input
council
requested
and
if
everyone's
okay
with
that
I'll
just
change
that
word.
Oh
you
know
it
just
doesn't
sound
as
everyone.
D
C
D
C
On
that,
because
that's
just
a
letter,
but
the
report
after
it
and
in
the
report
after
it
it's
the
very
next
thing,
is
the
report
itself
and
we
don't
have
a
title
for
that's.
C
C
D
C
D
See
I
guess:
let's
close
the
discussion
on
the
on
the
letter,
if
we're
all
feeling
good
about
it
moving
forward
and
then
we
can
move
into
the
motions
that
judy
has
about
the
study
topics
correct.
It
was
about
the
study
topic,
so
you
want
to
talk
about
okay.
So
let's
move
into
discussion
and
what
you
wrote
about
so.
C
C
So
I
will
also
add
that
I'm
disturbed
enough
about
not
doing
Robert's
Rules
of
Order
and
not
doing
it
with
what's
in
our
own
bylaws.
That
I
will
entertain
the
notion
of
doing
a
Minority
Report
about
the
priorities.
If
we
don't
reluck
at
the
priorities,
I
don't
know
if
I
will
or
won't
but
I'm,
not
comfortable
about
doing
things
that
are
not
within
our
own
bylaws.
C
G
So
I
did
review
the
bylaws
and
and
discussed
this
question
with
the
deputy
city
attorney
Aaron
Poe,
and
we
believe
that
by
passing
the
motion
that
established
the
two
items,
which
I
believe
was
in
a
unanimous
decision
that
you
have
followed
your
bylaws
for
approval
of
this
item
establishing
those
two
as
priorities.
The
straw
poll
in
which
you
indicated
in
one
case
three
people
indicated
in
the
other
two
that
these
were
topics
of
interest,
is
a
non-binding
non
official
action.
G
C
I
also
read
the
real
Robert's
Rules
of
Order
and
said
the
cheat
sheet
that
I
had
read
initially,
and
it
does
say
that
a
motion
can
be
brought
up
that
rescinds
another
motion
just
by
bringing
it
up
and
doing
it
so
that
that
may
be
your
interpretation
and
that's
good
and
maybe
that's
legally
binding
and
all
that
I'm
still
not
comfortable.
That
we
chose
our
two
priority
topics
in
ways
that
were
not
by
majority.
G
That
is
our
understanding,
although
it
does
appear
that
perhaps
it
on
thinking
about
it,
maybe
the
vote
would
have
not
unanimous
sounds
like
I,
don't
know.
If
Judy,
you
would
have
taken
a
different
approach
to
that.
Given
your
understanding
of
things
at
this
point
so
but
on
record
was
the
unanimous
agreement
to
the
motion
to
include
those
two
as
your
priorities:
okay,.
D
G
E
C
Yes,
I
would
I
mean
I
would
like
to
look
at
the
to
study
topics
again
and
bring
them
up
one
by
one
and
see
if
they
get
three
votes
and
if
they
or
majority
vote
or
more
than
a
majority
vote.
And
then,
if
they
don't,
it
doesn't
succeed
as
a
topic
when
we
could
have
zero
one
or
two
yeah
I'm,
not
asking
to
introduce
new
study
topics
at
this
point,
but
also
you
know,
we've
been
talking
a
lot
about
consensus
and
I'm
feeling
unconcerned.
E
F
F
C
D
G
C
G
I
mean
you're
I'm,
not
sure
how
formally
we
decided
this,
but
to
now
we
are
records
of
the
meetings
have
been
considered.
Basically,
your
action
minutes
about
what
happened,
not
about
what
didn't
happen,
are
trying
to
capture
all
the
discussion.
So
since
there
was
no
shouldn't
taken,
we
would
typically
not
record
that
if
you
want
a
different
record
of
your
meetings,
we'll
have
to
engage
in
that
discussion,
but
that
would
be
so
at
this
point,
given
that
there
was
no
action
that
would
not
appear.
C
Okay,
so
then
I
make
the
motion
that
weari
discuss
occupancy
as
a
study
topic.
The
reason
being
is:
I
server
have
gotten
a
sense
from
counsel
from
a
couple
council
members
that
they
would
rather
we
revisit
this
topic
later
or
that
they
are
worried
about
it
being
too
confrontational
right
now
that
we
may
be
considered
doing
it.
C
I
C
And
and
as
you
know,
it's
a
topic
I'm
actually
really
interested
in
I
just
had
some
concerns
that,
since
we
might
not
have
gotten
off
to
the
strongest
start
possible
with
counsel
that
we
wait
till
July
to
reintroduce
that
topic.
But
you
know
I'm
good
to
watch
that
topic.
I
just
thought
we
should
consider
maybe
waiting
till
the
July
letter.
That's
all
I.
E
E
D
And
I'm
gonna,
third,
it
as
well
just
because
it's
interesting
when
we
talk
about
the
consensus
portion
of
it
or
building
that
like
I
wasn't
one
way
or
the
other
on
the
occupancy,
but
also
doing
writing
writing
some
of
the
description
and
looking
into
it
and
then
getting
into
the
Fair
Housing
I
shot
Adam
a
couple
of
emails
today
and
I
find
it
fascinating
and
it
absolutely
is
a
hot-button
topic,
but
I
think
we
that's
part
of
one
of
the
great
things
about
us,
not
being
City,
Council
and
being
the
Advisory
Board
is
that
we
get
to
lean
into
some
of
these
and
explore
them,
and
it's
not
that
I
think
we're
saying
we
absolutely
have
to
take
it
on.
D
D
B
Do
have
a
comment
is
some
looking
back
on
all
the
planning
board
letters
for
the
six
years,
I've
been
on
planning
board
and
we're
gonna
be
dealing
with
this
tomorrow
night.
Some
issues
might
not
be
ripe
as
time
you
propose
them,
but
we've
kind
of
not
kind
of.
We
have
proposed
them
almost
every
year,
a
lot
of
the
major
issues
and
at
some
point
they
become
the
the
issue
that
the
city
wants,
that
the
council
wants
to
deal
with
and
allocate
staff
to.
B
So
the
youth
tables
is
an
example
of
one
of
those
kind
of
nerdy
arcane
planning
issues,
but
now
we
have
a
team
and
working
on
that
same
with
sub
community
planning.
I
know
Judy's
been
interested
in
that.
So
you
know
this
is
your
first
letter,
I'm
sure
you're
gonna
then
be
able
to
add
on
to
it
or
and
in
addition,
let
council
know
what
you've
been
successful
at
completing.
G
I
was
just
thinking
about
that
I'm,
not
a
parliamentarian,
but
the
way
I
understood
the
motion.
It
was
a
motion
to
discuss
in
theory,
you
would
vote
to
approve
a
discussion.
You
just
had
the
discussion.
That
seems
to
me
so
maybe
a
maybe
the
emotion
could
be
amended
to
say
something
to
the
effect
I
move
that
we
remove
occupancy
from
the
letter,
because
that's
essentially
the
discussion
you
just
had
and
then
and
then
the
vote
to
approve
it
or
not.
G
D
G
C
G
C
E
G
Certainly
so,
at
the
council
study
session
that
disgusts
guidance
to
the
housing
advisory
board,
the
majority
of
council
members
present
indicated
an
interest
if
there
were
in
some
cases
time
in
your
work
plan.
In
other
cases,
they
just
asked
for
it
to
be
on
the
work
plan
that
you
look
into
the
issues
associated
with
concerns
about
complications
created
by
the
interplay
between
our
entitlement
process
for
developments
and
the
awarding
of
it's
referred
to
as
chafa
funding,
but
in
it
is
actually
a
low-income
housing
tax
credit
financing
that
is
allocated
by
the
Colorado
Housing
Finance
Authority.
G
C
My
interest
was
since
that
was
something
I
want
to
discuss
as
a
study
topic
and
very
happily,
don't
need
to,
because
staff
is
taking
it
on
and
will
make
a
presentation
to
us
that
we
can
then
discuss.
I
still
wanted
to
have
something
in
our
letter
that
we
heard
what
counsel
said
that
had
at
least
five
I
believe
it
was.
Five
members
supported
the
idea,
so
I
just
wanted
to
add
language
to
our
letter.
C
That
would
say
it
doesn't
I
put
down
here.
In
addition,
but
I
realized
it's
right
in
a
place
that
says
additional
information.
So
to
say,
in
addition,
doesn't
really
apply.
Just
to
say
had
looks
forward
to
working
with
staff
and
council
on
examining
how
chafa
connected
affordable
housing
projects
can
better
be
aligned
with
the
city's
entitlement
projects.
Just
so
it
gets
in
there
in
our
letter
that
we
heard
them
and
we're
happy
that
we're
going
to
be
working
on
that
in
the
future.
I
just
want
it.
G
C
Okay,
okay,
so
I'll
repeat
that
had
looks
forward
to
working
with
staff
and
Council
on
examining
how
chafa
connected
affordable
housing
projects
in
be
aligned
with
the
city's
entitlement
process
and
I'd
like
to
have
that
in
our
annual
letter,
just
to
show
Council
that
we're
paying
attention
to
their
interests.
I'll.
I
C
E
I
guess
my
leaning
on
it
would
be
I.
Think
I
have
a
slightly
different
take
of
what
went
on
at
that
council
study
session
around
that
topic
and
I'd
prefer
to
just
leave
it
to
staff,
bringing
it
to
us
and
see
how
that
process
rolls
out,
why
you
suppose,
rather
than
kind
of
jumping
on
it
now
it
was
nothing
that
we
were
specifically
interested
before
I'd,
rather
limit
it
to
the
two
pieces
that
we
have
in
there.
That's
my
my
take
yeah.
D
And
I
would
add
on
that
when
we
were
at
that
meeting,
they
talked
about
large
lots
and
they
talked
about
some
other
things.
So
if
we're
gonna
add
that
we
heard
a
munch
fi,
we
should
add
that
we
heard
them
on
large
lots
and
we
heard
them
on
tiny
houses
and
we
heard
the
money.
So
to
me,
it's
like
it's
being
added
and
to
the
work
plan
and
it
is
being
incorporated
so
I
feel
like
we've
covered
it.
I
I
Think
trying
to
interpret
what
a
group
of
five
people
meant
behind
whatever
they
were
saying,
is
a
bit
of
a
stretch
without
specifically
asking
them
I
think
it's
pretty
clear
that
they
see
that
as
a
priority
and
are
adding
it
to
the
plan,
and
in
that
case
our
discussion
here
is
probably
enough
of
an
indication
that
we
too
are
interested
and
looking
forward
to
it.
So
I
lean
more
towards
the.
C
So
I
guess
I
say
a
couple
things.
The
only
bat
Shaffer
project
was
the
only
thing
they
suggested
that
wasn't
already
in
their
work
plan
when
they
talked
about
large
lots
and
they
talked
about,
but
the
tiny
homes
we
have,
but
they
talked
about
mobile
parks
and
they
talked
about
community
benefit
benefit
and
all
the
other
things,
and
they
talked
about
this
quite
a
bit
as
far
as
trying
to
listen
to
neighborhoods,
more
and
people
more,
and
especially
since
we're
pursuing
occupancy.
C
That's
going
to
make
a
lot
of
neighborhoods
uncomfortable
I
thought
it
would
be
nice
to
have
something
in
there
that
might
make
neighborhoods
comfortable
and
since
there's
there
seems
to
be
just
as
much
reason
to
say.
Why
not
put
it
in
as
well
as
why
it
would
be
one
sentence
in
the
letter.
It
makes
me
really
happy-
and
you
know
I
think,
would
be
a
good
message
to
count
to
council
that
we
were
listening
to
them,
especially
when
we're
bringing
up
something
that's
out
of
left
field
to
them
in
their
way
of
looking
at
things.
D
F
Saw
a
presentation
this
week
it
was
from
last
year
that
chafa
made
to
city
of
Englewood
and
I.
Don't
I
thought
was.
Maybe
we
could
consider
inviting
Jeff
up
to
make
a
similar
presentation
that
but
I
don't
I'm,
not
sure
if
that
should
come
from
us
or
whether
that
should
come
from
in
the
case
of
Englewood?
That
invitation
came
from
the
mayor
and
city
council
to
do,
but
it
would
be
a
foundational
place
with
which
to
start
about
what
that
tax
credit
financing
does
definitely.
D
A
G
I
C
C
D
C
The
the
topic
itself
is
of
interest
to
me
because
in
two
occasions
very
recently,
both
with
Paulo
Parkway
and
with
1440
Pine
the
attention
Holmes,
there
was
a
lot
of
neighborhood
upset,
which
caused
also
upset
then
for
the
city
and
also
upset
for
the
developers
that
could
have
been
avoided.
If
people
could
have
talked
first
and
maybe
come
to
a
few
different
agreements
and
changes
before
it
was
so
polarized
I
gotta
get
that
tough.
Is
it
no
charge?
C
So
I
see
that
process
as
being
a
big
step
in
consensus
and
then
also
I
think
it's
something
that
very
clearly
at
least
five
out
of
the
nine
members
on
council
to
really
supported
Mirabai
and
Mary
brought
it
up
and
talked
about
it
at
length.
But
three
other
people
supported
it
quite
well
and
nobody
disagreed
with
it.
C
It's
just
one
little
sentence
and-
and
it
shows
that
we
have
interest
in
the
topic
and
also
it's
important
to
me,
because
it
gives
something
in
that
letter
to
the
neighborhoods
that
we
recognize
that
the
neighborhoods
have
been
upset
about
things
lately
and
we're
interested
in
working
on
that
and
I
think
it's
a
counterbalance
to
the
occupancy
issue,
which
is
not
going
to
make
some
neighborhoods
happy.
So.
I
Have
a
potential
compromise
that
I'm
gonna
float
out
there
Cori?
Could
you
go
down
to
additional
information
and,
at
the
end
of
this
first
step
up
again,
yeah
right
at
the
beginning
of
it
perfect?
At
the
end
of
the
first
paragraph
there
we
have
such
as
ad
use
and
Oh
a
use,
how
about
changing
that
to
chafa
connected
affordable
housing
projects.
I
E
E
Statement
of
itself,
for
a
couple
of
reasons
for
me
personally,
is
that
the
little
I
know
about
the
chafa
kind
of
morass.
That's
happening
out.
There
I'm
not
sure
how
much
that
actually
falls
into
our
plate
even
to
engage
with
so
I
kind
of
want
to
just
leave
it
off,
but
I
do
recognize
that
you
know.
F
For
that
and
to
be
aware,
I
mean
there
are
my
experiences
they're
pretty
thoughtful
group
about
that,
and
it
would
also
strike
me
that
it's
likely
have
come
up
in
other
communities
as
well
to
kind
of
get
situations
where
the
suddenly
the
carts
before
the
horse
and
all
of
a
sudden
something's
gone,
and
they
can't
change
because
nobody
likes
to
have
to
feel
like
that
with
developers,
whether
it's
Planning,
Board
or
City,
or
anyone
else.
I.
D
Don't
think
we're
disputing
because
I'm
on
board,
with
after
Jeff
explained
it
to
me
I'm
on
board
with
doing
the
chieffo
work
as
well,
because
I
think
it's
fascinating
and
interesting
I
don't
think
we're
disputing
whether
or
not
Jaffa
is
important.
It's
whether
or
not
it
goes
into
the
letter
and
whether
or
not
we
want
to
buy
by
putting
an
additional
line
in
what
we're
doing
is
drawing
attention
to
that
piece
which
you
know.
If
it's
the
will,
then
it's
the
will.
We
do
that,
but
again
it's
not
whether
or
not
Jeff
is
important.
D
C
G
G
D
D
C
I
G
D
C
C
That's
not
my
question:
is
it
obviously,
you
two
will
be
key
in
those
topics
if,
if
the
board
doesn't
reject
them,
are
you
obviously-
and
we
also
can't
ask
staff
to
be
doing
things
for
this?
So
are
you
both
prepared
and
okay
about
actually
doing
national
case
studies
and
studying
best
practices
and
foundational
elements,
and
all
that
the
obviously
the
possible
strategies
identified,
neighborhoods
and
community
food?
That
is
something
we
all
do,
but
we
have
not
normally
done
so
far.
National
case
studies,
best
practices
and
foundational
elements
so.
D
G
D
G
D
What
I'm
hearing,
then
is
we
might
want
to
figure
out
how,
in
the
letter
or
in
these
topics,
to
make
it
clear
that
this
is
a
toe
in
the
water,
we're
asking
for
a
nod
so
that
we
as
a
board
not
utilizing
dramatic
resources
from
staff.
Although
you
know
I
always
have
questions,
would
help
sell
the
idea
of
why
we
want
to
nod
on
these
I
think.
I
C
C
I
D
Okay,
so
then
this
is
just
getting
moved
into
and
is
our
final
approval
on
the
next
one
we
have
it
set
for
a
date
for
final
approval
on
the
12th
right.
What's
the
due
date
on
the
letter.
I
G
C
G
I
may
my
understanding
just
to
see
if
I
understood
correctly,
there
are
two
main
points
you're
trying
to
make
and,
though,
with
those
study,
topics,
one
is
that
this
is
primarily
a
board
effort
with
minimal
staff
involvement.
The
other
is
around
the
recommend,
including
the
word
recommendation,
I'm,
not
exactly
sure
how
to
indicate
that
your
intent
is
to
probably
in
next
year's
letter
pursue
this.
If
you
think
it's
warranted.
Yes,.
C
D
G
C
C
I
J
D
J
C
D
D
But
what
Jeff
also
pointed
out
is
that
we
can
also
find
the
sweet
spot
and
back
that
up
and
not
always
have
to
put
motions
forth
first,
which
one
of
the
reasons
why
I
like
the
motions
first,
is
because
it
requires
us
to
be
very
succinct
and
poignant
and
clear
about
the
message
that
we
want
to
make.
But
then
it
also
kind
of
limits
us
on
our
ability
to
be
a
little
bit
more
casual
with
each
other.
D
So
finding
that
sweet
spot
is
I,
guess
where
we
want
to
go
is
making
sure
that
we're
always
heard
and
clear,
but
also
really
honoring
the
rules
and
we've
already
seen
with
the
last
meeting
or
with
the
meeting
over
the
priorities
that
it
didn't
feel
good
to
you
at
the
end
of
it
there's
been
times
where
it
didn't
feel
good.
To
me,
we
also
talked
about
going
into
a
consensus
model,
so
it's
just
something
for
consideration
and
I'm
kind
of
taking
it
against
a
litmus
test
done
where
everybody's
sitting
with
that
about.
D
I
Think
this
has
been
a
good
meeting
so
far
and
I
know
what
we're
trying
to
get
at
with
this
next
piece.
So
I
don't
care
if
we
take
the
everything
gets
taken
away
and
we
add
back
in
or
everything
stays
and
we
take
away
approach
either
way
it's
gonna
end
up
the
same.
So,
however,
we
frame
it
doesn't
matter
to
me.
F
It's
a
relatively
small
board.
It's
trying
to
find
its
own
sort
of
vision
of
its
own
Karma.
So
to
speak
and
and
there's
going
to
be
some
times,
maybe
if
we
lose
a
little
traction
or
get
a
little
distracted
and
we
have
to
reintroduce
a
little
more
formality
to
get
back
on
track,
maybe
you
could
always.
We
could
always
do
that,
but
in
the
meantime
it
seems
like
it's
quite
productive
too.
We
covered
a
lot
of
ground
in
a
fairly
short
period
of
time
and
this
evening
and
seem
to
work
I.
E
Agree,
I
think
that
we
can
find
that
sweet
spot
and
just
with
the
one
note
to
everybody
that
if
any
of
us
are
feeling
that
need
to
tighten
it
up,
we
should
just
go
there
and
not
be
concerned
about
it
because
it
can
kind
of
roll
and
start
to
get
out
of
the
comfort
zone
pretty
easily.
Sometimes
so,
let's
just
all
be
willing
to
put
our
hands
up
and
say:
okay,
let's
structure,
there's
a
little
bit
more,
but
I'm
good
with
it.
So.
C
How
I
feel
for
this
particular
thing
is
I,
don't
feel
the
need
to
make
a
motion
for
it.
My
interest
is
in
not
getting
into
a
long
discussion
about
types
of
committees
or
process
just
to
talk
about
just
to
mention
each
committee
and
see
if
there's
consensus,
for
it
can,
if
we
don't
need
it
or
we
do
need
it
and
if
there's
a
majority
we
need
it.
I
mean
just
to
proceed
that
way
to
just
start
mentioning
to
committees
census
where
people
are
about
them.
G
What
what
I
remember
is
that
the
committee
and
whether
standing
or
special
committee
structure,
just
sort
of
happened
without
a
concrete
discussion
about
what
you
wanted
to
accomplish
with
committees
it
was.
This
is
something
we
need
to
deal
with,
rather
than
trying
to
do
it
as
a
whole
would
be
better
suited
for
those
who
are
interested
in
it
to
pursue
it
and
bring
stuff
back.
G
If
it
were
me
sitting
there,
I
would
probably
suggest
that
we
discuss
what
we
want
from
committees
as
a
group
how
they
serve
us
in
our
purpose
and
in
our
work
for
me
to
be
able
to
decide
which
of
these
would
make
sense
to
continue
or
not.
If
you
all
feel
like,
you
have
a
good
sense
of
that.
Obviously
it's
not
necessary,
but
that's
just
how
I
would
interpret
the
history.
I
So
far,
so
to
that
point,
I
think
Mason
made
a
good
suggestion
that
if
a
committee
is
to
exist,
it
should
have
a
statement
of
some
sort.
We
did
have
an
outline
that
we
sort
of
adopted
I,
think
and
we
should
fill
out
that
outline
for
any
committee
that
we
intend
to
keep.
So
it
just
has
a
purpose
statement
and
hopefully
some
sort
of
way
to
track
the
end
goal
of
the
committee,
especially
for
special
committees,
but
also
for
standing
committees,
because
we
should
be
making
sure
they're
still
necessary
over
longer.
Lengths
of
time,
I.
C
Was
gonna,
say,
I
think
that
I
favor
not
having
committees
for
things
we're
not
actively
working
on
this
year,
I'm
highly
in
favor
of
committees
for
things
we
are
because
since
more
than
two
of
us
at
a
time
can't
talk
to
each
other
because
of
open
sunshine
rules
committee's
a
really
effective
way
of
getting
things
done.
I've
been
really
happy
with
the
work
of
everyone.
I've
worked
on
on
committees
and
I
feel
we've
really
accomplished
a
lot,
so
I
think
we
just
go,
for
which
ones
are
pertinent
to
our
goals
for
2019
I.
E
D
So
I
I
had
put
forth
a
motion
via
email
two
weeks
ago,
three
weeks
ago
and
I
had
stated
in
that
about
removing
all
committees
and
being
clear
about
why
we're
adding
them
back
so
that
they
would
have
a
purpose
statement
and
then
Judy
had
her
motion
as
well
as
about
doing
the
straw
poll
to
me,
it
doesn't
matter
we
get
there
with
both
of
them.
My.
C
A
J
D
D
Yes,
so
what
we're
agreeing
to,
or
what
we
should
vote
on
and
make
sure
that
we
agree
to,
is
that
any
committees
we
agree
to
moving
forward
will
create
a
purpose
statement
for
the
record
and
just
send
it
out
to
all
of
us
so
that
we're
behind
it
aligned,
see
you
wordsmith
her.
You
keep
putting
yourself
in
that
job.
D
D
D
G
D
G
C
E
D
Because
I'll
add
to
that
that
for
me,
when
I'm,
when
we
were
at
Alpine
balsam
or
like
in
particular
tiny
house
since
I
wrote
the
study
topic
of
that
to
me,
public
engagement
is
also
aka
marketing
and
so
I
immediately
go
into
tiny
house
like
how
would
I
market
this
and
how
would
I
engage
the
community
to
get
excited
about
it?
And-
and
so
yes,
it's
part
of
but
Adam
and
I
were
talking
about
it
at
one.
D
I
I
still
think
we
want
to
set
up
some
best
practices
too.
You
know,
like
Judy,
said
we're
still
compiling
sort
of
the
way
we
try
to
do
things
in
any
given
topic,
so
just
sort
of
a
core
set
of
things
that
will
happen
when
we're
trying
to
get
the
community
out
so
I'm
gonna
stop
arguing
for
it.
I
think
I
made
the
point.
D
F
D
C
That's
mine,
so
if
I'm
the
only
person
on
it,
if
someone's
you've
wanted
to
do
it
with
me,
we
could
talk
about
it.
I've
only
done
a
little
and
gone
to
some
meetings.
I
think
it's
important
as
far
as
it's
in
the
ordinance
that
that
have
founded
us.
That
liaison
is
important,
but
if
people
don't
vote
to
do
it,
I
can
still
go
to
the
meetings.
I
want
to
go
to
and
meet
with
the
people.
I
want
to
meet
with
anyway
I'm
sort
of
you've.
C
C
Know
it
really
depends
on
if
you're
not
if
it's
not
voted,
and
you
know,
and
if
somebody
else
wants
to
join
the
committee,
then
we
could
come
up
with
the
problem
statement
and
all
that
or
you
could
you
know
if
one
other
person
wants
to
do
it?
You
could
wait
to
vote
to
see
if
what
we
come
up
with
honestly
I'm
really
neutral
I
do
think
it's
important
that
we
do
board
liaison
and
I
think
there's
lots
of
opportunities
to
do
it,
and
this
committee
could
start
sussing
this
out.
C
I
Inclination
is
just
to
address
cross
Committee
engagement
in
a
different
way
than
a
specific
point.
Person
I
think,
there's
some
sort
of
level
of
expectation
that
we
all
be
engaged
in
areas
surrounding
housing
that
might
include
things
like
transportation
or
zoning
things
along
those
lines.
I
don't
know
if
a
standing
committee
is
the
best
way
to
go
about
it.
At
this
point
and.
C
E
D
C
F
D
E
Yeah
I
mean
I
think
that
as
it
is
directed
in
this
will
be
directed
to
engage
with
what's
happening
in
else
Alpine
balsam
and
see.
You
know
what
Housing
Board
wants
to
move
forward
there
or
try
to
get
on
the
plate
and
advocate
for
I.
Think
this
one
probably
just
stays
as
it
is
from
my
perspective
and
that's
obviously
a
big
one
on
the
plate
for
everybody
and.
G
This
may
be
a
semantics
approach.
I
think
that
there
is
a
some
qualitative
distinction
between
the
projects
in
which
you
requested
to
participate
in
a
certain
way,
be
a
top-line
Balsam
sub-community
planning
community
benefit,
potentially
large
lots
depending
on.
If
council
has
a
question
for
you
as
a
whole,
or
you
want
to
assign
a
group
to
work
on,
maybe
those
are
not
carried
as
committees
but
more
as
project
liaisons
or
something
to
that
ask
force.
D
G
I
was
thinking
the
three
were
Alpine
balsam
Community
Benefit
in
sub
Community
Planning,
all
of
which
are
on
the
City
Council
work
plan,
and
the
project
teams
have
asked
boards
and
commissions
to
be
involved
by
assigning
people.
Regional
housing
is
different
for
from
my
perspective.
In
that
that's
a
long-term,
ongoing
effort.
It's
not
a
specific
project.
It's
not
I
mean
the
council
adopted
the
regional
housing
strategy
that
was
more
similar
to
as
kind
of
an
awareness
cross-pollination
item
rather
than
a
specific
project.
G
C
E
I
G
G
G
D
And
the
reason
why
I'm
kind
of
highlighting
that
is
because,
after
we're
done
with
this
committee,
discussion
then
changed
to
agenda
format,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
use
a
word
that
everybody
understands
and
the
public
would
understand
what
they're
looking
at
when
they
look
at
the
agenda.
So
we're
removing
them
from
the
discussion.
Alpine,
balsam,
sub,
community
and
community
benefits,
not
within
the
community
committee
discussion,
because
they
will
now
be
initiative.
Reports
or
whatever
word
Jeff
comes
up
with
and.
C
C
I
G
E
E
I
think
that
further
reason
we
talked
about
or
mentioned
briefly
earlier
about,
focusing
in
on
what
we're
doing
currently
and
those
work
plan
items
that
are
on
our
plate.
That
is
a
committee,
I,
think
I
would
say
we
can
stand
this
one
down,
there's
nothing
that
we're
addressing
right.
Now,
that's
directly
involved
with
it.
So
yeah.
I
D
I
D
I
D
D
G
D
I
B
J
C
G
F
I
D
D
Maybe
reworking
the
a
and
the
B
and
the
C
to
airman,
sorry,
the
a
and
the
B,
and
it
would
be
initiated
reports
and
committee
reports
something
to
that
effect.
Just
so
that
everybody's
aware
we'll
be
tweaking
the
agenda
for
the
next
one.
The
format
will
be
different.
Is
there
any
discussion
around
that?
Is
anybody
opposed
to
us,
retreating
that
for
language,
okay,
so
we're
good
with
moving
forward
and
then
our.
D
D
I
could
precursor
this
by
saying
that
in
the
agenda
meeting,
we
had
to
think
back
to
why
we
were
talking
about
the
consensus
model
and
it
was
brought
up
three
meetings
ago,
and
so
we
wanted
to
talk
about
like
right
now
in
our
bylaws,
its
majority,
correct,
correct
and
the
discussion
around
consensus
came
up
and
there's
pros
and
cons
to
it,
and
the
discussion
would
be
whether
or
not
we
want
to
move
away
from
majority.
Keep
it
as
it
is,
have
a
discussion
about
it.
Do
we
need
to
have
a
discussion
about?
E
D
Okay,
so
we'll
just
move
on
to
the
HOA
discussion,
so
I'm
just
going
to
give
a
little
background
that
we've
got
two
kind
of
pieces
here,
one
being
the
discussion
around.
How
do
we
want
to
as
a
board
in
process
handle
when
things
pop
up
in
the
community
and
we
receive
emails
about
it
and
then
the
Part
B
is
in
particular
this
matter
around
from
the
I
believe
it
was
the
boulder
weekly
and
a
discussion
that
from
community
member
that
we
received
that
a
particular
property
and
the
HOA
fees.
D
So
we've
got
two
parts
to
this
discussion.
First,
one
process:
how
do
we
want
to
in
the
future
handle
these
and
Jeff
brought
up
a
great
way
of
potentially
handling
this
and
then
to
this
particular
issue?
So
Jeff,
would
you
like
to
lead
off
with
some
discussion
around
part,
a
process
on
how,
as
a
board
we
could
handle?
When,
since
we
have,
engagement,
is
a
big
thing
for
us,
we
will
be
seeing
these
non
agenda
items
pop
up
for
us.
D
G
I
think
what's
important
is
for
you
to
have
a
common
understanding
of
how
you,
as
board
members
or
as
a
board
as
a
whole
and
as
board
members
want
to
respond.
I
think
it's
clear
to
me
that
you
want
to
show
some
be
respond
in
the
sense
of
the
relevant
housing
issues
are
something
that
you've
been
asked
to
look
into
and
consider
as
a
board
for
the
community
and
particularly
by
for
council,
so
some
kind
of
agreement
amongst
yourselves
on
what
the
best
way
to
and
you
know,
look
into
or
follow
up
on.
D
I
would
add
that
I
think
this
might
be
a
great
thing
under
the
purpose
statement
for
the
engagement
committee
as
a
community
member
I've
sent
out
some
stuff
to
the
transportation.
Advisory
Board
and
I
want
to
commend
you
because
it
was
new
championed
our
bounce
back.
Email
of
letting
people
know
that
they
received
it
and
I
sent
something
to
transportation
and
I
was
like
to
get
that
because
there
was
no
response
and
I
was
like.
I
really
appreciate
that
you
championed
that,
because
it
wasn't
even
on
my
radio
radar.
D
So
under
maybe
the
purpose
statement
for
the
engagement
is.
Maybe
how
do
we
respond
in
the
immediate
and
how
would
we
want
to
in
the
long
haul
and
in
particular
like
what
using
this
one?
As
an
example
Jeff
had
said,
what
we
could
do
is
acknowledge
it
and
then
request
from
staff
to
provide
us
in
the
next
meeting
any
information
around,
so
that
we
can
collect
all
information
from
both
sides
of
what's
happening
so
that
we
can
then
decide
from
there
as
a
board.
How
we'd
like
to
proceed,
if
at
all,
is.
I
D
So
I
think
what
we
had
talked
about
is
that
that's
why
we
were
men,
the
agenda,
so
that
we
would
sit
down
and
somebody
would
say,
under
matters
from
the
board
I-
would
like
to
bring
up
this
particular
letter
and
I'm,
and
then
we
get
to
that
spot.
We
would
request.
Could
staff
provide
us
more
information
and
that
we
would
continue
this
into
the
next
meeting?
So
in.
I
G
It
seems
like
looking
to
see
what
the
best
kind
of
approach
was,
because
you
know
if
you're
on
a
monthly
meeting
schedule,
as
you
just
pointed
out,
it
could
take
quite
a
long
time
to
wait
for
meeting
ask
for
it,
get
it.
Then
you
know
and
in
one
hand,
maybe
that's
okay,
because
you're,
not
the
fire
department.
On
the
other
hand,
that's
an
awful
long
time
to
wait
for
something
that
you're
really
concerned
about
others
handle.
I
I
G
D
Of
like
the
example
would
be
what
just
happened
in
City
Council,
so
everybody
read
the
article
in
Boulder
weekly,
then
they
all
wanted
the
opportunity
zones
addressed
and
the
the
agenda
committee
that
morning
discussed
whether
or
not
it
would
be
something
that
they
would
put
on
it.
So
it
could
come
to
us
us
being
Adam
and
I
chair
vice
chair,
and
we
would
make
the
call
if
we
could
put
it
on
the
agenda
the
next
time
and
what
we
could
get
from.
C
G
I
think
we
would
have
to
know
for
each
of
these
we're
gonna
have
to
decide
how
much
time
and
effort
we
can
put
into
providing
you
with
information.
We
think
is
relevant
and
it's
really,
you
know
we
might
have
to
say
we
to
the
agenda
committee.
I
would
be
the
vehicle
for
a
staff
to
say
we
think
this
is
gonna,
take
more
time
and
effort
them
and
we
do
want
to
provide
it,
but
we
don't
think
it
can
get
done
by
that
in
time.
G
C
D
Me
surmise
what
we're
thinking
about
for
process
here,
then,
if
we
receive
an
email
that
comes
in
requesting
action
or
any
additional
items
from
the
housing
advisory
board
during
our
agenda,
because
it'll
more
than
likely
go
out
to
all
of
us
or
if
one
of
us
gets
it
to
make
sure
it
goes
out
to
the
housing
advisory
board
and
then
at
the
agenda
meeting
chair
and
vice-chair
would
make
a
decision
as
to
whether
or
not
it
would
go
on
the
agenda
that
time
and
what
we
could
collect.
If
anything
and.
G
I
would
say
that
it
doesn't
matter
whether
someone
is
asking
for
something
or
not.
You
can
put
things
on
the
agenda
that
you
think
are
of
interest
to
the
board,
use
the
board's
resources.
Primarily
time
and
potentially
you
know.
Some
of
these
have
become
a
lot
of
time
over,
as
you
well
know,
but
I
think
that's
kind
of
the
role
the
agenda
committee.
D
D
C
And
I'd
like
to
add
something
to
that
Adam
and
I
had
talked
about
this.
A
little
bit
is
at
that
meeting
on
December
12th.
It
sounds
like
it's
going
to
be
on
the
agenda
anyway,
we
would
like
to
entertain
the
notion
of
at
the
time
we
have
the
public
hearing
which
may
be
in
January
or
February
for
affordable
house
rental
concern
resident
concerns.
C
We
include
that
in
the
public
hearing,
because
it
fits
with
affordable
housing
resident
concerns,
because
the
owners
are
also
residents
and
and
do
a
lot
of
publicity
not
just
for
renters
in
affordable
housing,
but
for
owners
and
affordable
housing
as
well.
As
you
know,
the
property
owners
or
whatever
to
come
and
talk
about
HOA,
the
whatever
they
come.
I'd.
D
I
What
we're
trying
to
get
here
is
we're
clearly
not
capturing
the
question
or
ever
all
the
answers
to
the
question
is
affordable,
housing,
affordable
and
that's
not
what
we're
ultimately
trying
to
find
out
here.
What
are
all
the
things
that
we
haven't
thought
of?
What
are
all
the
things
that
aren't
taken
into
account
and
that's
really
what
I'm
interested
in
hearing
about
through
the
public
engagement
process.
E
G
J
I
A
I
J
D
G
G
Call
at
the
end
of
Tuesday:
if
we
are
going
to
be
able
to
prepare
something
for
the
pack,
it
would
be
great
to
include
them.
However,
we
could
pry
if
they
come
up
after
we'll
work
them
into.
However,
we
participate
in
your
discussion
on
the
12th,
so
I'd
be
great
to
have
some
advance
notice
to
be
able
to
prepare
whatever
we
can
so.
I
I
G
Right
so
I
think
I
provided
that
response
the
last
meeting
but
I
can't
remember.
In
essence,
there
are
uncoordinated
efforts
to
survey
residents
done
by
the
housing
providers.
They
do
provide
to
us
the
reasons
for
people
leaving
residency
with
them
that
we
were
able
to
summarize,
as
you
saw
so
I
think
if
you
are
interested
in
recommending
to
staff
that
there
be
a
different
effort
that
would
be
covered
in
the
public
hearing
that
you
have
asked
be
scheduled
for
the
January
meeting.
G
D
C
Can
we
go
ahead
and
start
planning
how
we
would
do
the
marketing
or
that
and
then
send
things
say
to
Corey
that
she
sends
out
to
everyone
else?
Some
people
respond
to
her.
If
that's
fine
or
do
you
want
to
just
say,
go
ahead
and
do
whatever
you
want,
I
mean
how
do
we
want
to
handle
that,
since
there's
going
to
be
this
big
gap
from
December
12th
to
the
end
of
January
and
won't
be
wanting
to
do
marketing
so.
D
It's
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
maybe
we'll
eat.
What
you
could
do
is
what
we've
done
in
the
past
is
send
it
out
to
the
entire
board
and
we'd
send
responses
to
you,
and
we
would
pinkie
swear
that
we
wouldn't
inundate
you
with
responses,
but
that
would
be
thoughtful,
succinct
and
then
maybe
just
compiling
them
on
one
sheet
and
sending
them
back.
Okay,
and
that
you
guys
in
your
requests,
say
that
we
need
a
response
back
buy
and
give
it
reasonable
time.
For
those
of
us
who
are
inundated
with
working
vacation
stuff
right
now.