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H
So
here's
what
we
got
for
you
two
tonight:
a
brief
presentation
to
go
over
the
materials
that
were
posted
a
little
bit
to
them,
and
then
we
would
want
to
answer
any
questions.
You
have
have
public
participation
and
then
enter
into
your
discussion
of
the
questions
and
any
other
input
that
you
would
have
we'll
provide
a
project
overview,
an
overview
of
the
engagement
activities
and
process
that
we
use
to
collect
ideas
and
people's
input.
H
For
the
most
part,
the
community
engagement
phase,
the
first
phase
of
this.
The
second
phase
is
what
we
are
with
you
tonight
and
going
to
council
next
month
on
is
to
take
the
input
we
have
process
it.
Take
the
research
we've
done
and
and
try
and
narrow
it
to
an
area
of
focus
which
actions
in
particular.
Do
we
want
to
provide
a
more
thorough
description
and
analysis
of
pros
and
cons
on
and
and
which
of
those?
H
Do
we
want
to
prioritize
for
implementation
over
the
next
set
of
years,
so
that
third
phase
will
initiate
after
council,
provides
its
guidance
in
the
study
session
next
month?
What
we're
asking
for
the
questions
that
you'll
see
for
you
tonight
really
are
around
shaping
the
discussion
for
council,
helping
organize
the
thoughts
providing
guidance
to
the
work
we've
done
so
far,
so
we
aren't
tonight's
job
isn't
to
select
particular
actions.
It's
more
to
help
us
figure
out
which
actions
we
want
to
recommend
that
council
move
forward,
so
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Brenda.
H
I
Hopefully,
this
nine
step
wheel
on
the
screens
is
not
new
to
you.
This
was
developed
as
part
of
our
engagement
strategy
as
the
way
we
would
like
to
start
making
decisions
in
Boulder
to
really
include
the
voice
of
our
residents.
So,
as
you
see,
we
are
coming
to
the
conclusion
tonight,
we
think
of
step
four,
this
shared
foundation
of
information
and
inquiry.
I
That
means
all
of
us
sort
of
knowing
and
sharing
and
understanding
the
background
information
and
then
asking
questions
of
each
other
and
of
our
residents
to
find
out
the
information
that
we
need
in
order
to
move
to
step
five,
which
is
identify
options.
So
you'll
see
in
the
memo
that
we
have
listed
a
lot
of
the
things
that
we
have
heard.
I
We've
also
bounced
those
off
of
a
lot
of
the
things
that
we've
studied
in
the
past
to
come
up
with
a
list
of
potential
actions,
and
so
that's
where
we
are
sort
of
in
that
four
five
area
on
the
wheel:
I'm
gonna
click
or
have
Jeff
click
for
me.
So
we
have
collaborated
between
the
housing
division
and
the
city
manager's
office
over
the
last
several
months.
To
really
reach
out
to
all
of
who,
we
believe
are
the
impacted
parties
of
this
strategy.
I
We
first
went
to
those
parties
to
talk
to
them
about
how
they
would
like
to
engage,
and
we
gave
essentially
three
options.
A
staff
led
process
where
we
would
do
most
of
the
conversations
with
the
different
parties
individually,
a
more
collaborative
process
where
we
would
have
working
sessions
with
everybody
in
the
room
together.
I
That
would
involve
a
smaller
number
of
people
or
a
true
working
group
made
up
of
representatives
of
each
of
those
groups
to
really
wrestle
with
these
thoughts
and
ideas,
and
we
heard
very
strongly
from
all
angles
that
the
staff
led
process
was
preferred
because
folks
wanted
the
most
engagement
possible
and
they
also
wanted
to
be
able
to
speak
within
their
own
groups
as
opposed
to
across
groups.
There
can
be
some
vulnerability
when
you
start
mixing
the
various
parties
that
are
impacted
by
the
manufactured
housing
communities.
I
So
when
you
put
owners
in
the
room
with
home
owners,
the
conversation
can
look
different.
So
we
very
much
wanted
to
hear
the
the
purity
of
each
of
those
opinions
and
ideas,
and
that
was
supported
by
the
folks
we
talked
to.
We
were
fortunate
to
talk
to
more
than
a
hundred
people.
Throughout
this
process
we
held
engagements
events,
we
had
interviews
you'll,
see
there
the
sort
of
breakdown
of
how
we
did
this.
We
had
an
online
engagement
opportunities
in
both
English
and
Spanish.
I
We
spoke
with
when
we
talk
about
the
impacted
individuals,
we're
talking
about
the
owners
and
managers
of
each
of
the
four
parks
in
Boulder
and,
of
course,
we're
talking
about
our
residents
that
live
in
those
four
parks.
We
really
really
tried
to
make
it
very
easy
for
the
residents
to
engage
with
us,
yeah.
A
Would
you
prefer
questions
help
to
the
end
or
do
you
want
them
as
we
go
up
to
you
know
it's
fine,
okay,
so
I'm
curious
about
the
engagement
stuff.
You
know.
Yeah,
we've
had
this
conversation
before
so
we're
looking
at
about
1300
residents,
correct
yep
in
all
of
this,
a
hundred
is
a
little
less
than
the
ten
percent
mark.
And
what
do
you
consider
a
successful
engagement
plan
and
did
that
feel
like
yeah
I
mean.
I
Also,
traditionally
it
has.
It
has
not
been
easy
to
engage
this
population
in
these
types
of
conversations,
the
resonance,
so
we
felt
pretty
good
about
who
we
were
able
to
reach
and
in
the
number
of
different
ways
that
we
reached
people.
It's
it's
not
a
it's
not
always
easy
to
get
folks
to
come
out
of
their
homes
for
things
we
did
a
lot
of
door
knocking
and
a
lot
flyering,
particularly
in
Boulder
Meadows
and
Orchard
Grove,
where
we
have
some
larger
struggles
and
engaging
people.
I
So
we
know
at
least
everyone
got
a
piece
of
paper
in
English
in
Spanish
that
told
them.
This
was
happening
and
told
them
some
various
ways
that
they
could
engage.
We
also
held
two
events
specifically
in
locations
that
were
most
convenient
to
those
two
parks.
So
we
do
think
word
got
out
that
it
was
happening
and
then
it's
just
our
hope
that
people
will
will
step
in
as
they
can
and
and
want
to
so.
I
A
J
I
Yep,
we
also
talked
to
you
within
that
engagement,
you'll,
see
them
within
those
one
hundred
people
and
it's
really
a
hundred
plus,
because
I
only
counted
one
staffer
per
department.
But
several
of
us
spoke
to
multiple
staffers
in
each
department.
We
talked
to
quite
a
few
internal
departments
who
work
directly
in
those
communities
from
a
service
perspective,
as
well
as
external
partners
like
the
emergency
family
assistance,
Association
Rocky,
Mountain,
Home
Association,
various
partners
who
also
serve
those
communities.
I
So
you'll
see-
and
you
have
the
long,
long
long
list
of
every
comment.
We
heard
that
crystal
that's,
where
crystals
fingerprints
are
so
we're
sad
she's,
not
sitting
up
here
with
us
tonight.
She
really
categorized
all
those
in
a
way
that
is
digestible
and
easy
to
read
and
understand
we're
so
grateful
for
that.
So
you
see
your
top
four
topics
and
then
seven
additional
topics
that
we
thought
were
really
important
too
encapsulate
in
the
summary
and
in
the
report
itself,
and
then
this
is
Jeff
so.
H
The
second
attachment
attachment
B
collects
all
of
the
ideas
or
we
may
have
missed
a
couple.
We
were
double
checking,
but
we
tried
to
collect
all
of
the
ideas
that
we
found
from
researching
other
communities
from
past
city
discussions
and
actions
and,
most
importantly,
from
what
we
heard
from
folks.
What
did
what
do
they
think
would
help
accomplish
their
goals
or
the
city's
goal
of
preserving
and
expanding
this
housing
option.
H
We
did
not
try
and
provide
a
prioritized
list
at
this
point,
because
that's
the
job
of
the
next
phase,
what
we
are
bringing
to
you
in
the
memo
did
link
all
several
of
the
sources
we
use.
What
we
are
bringing
to
you
tonight
or
what
is
what
we
drew
from
the
community
engagement
as
well
as
the
city
experience
so
far,
and
some
of
the
research
is
an
attempt
to
define
some
principles
for
decision
making
to
guide
how
we
would
continue
to
discuss
which
actions
make
sense.
H
So
we
came
up
with
three
that
we
were
very
interested
in
hearing
what
you
think
about
them.
I've
got
them
summarized
up
here.
The
memo
does
have
additional
information
for
each,
but
not
not
too
extensive.
So
affordability
is
something
we
hear
loud
and
clear
from
pretty
much
everybody
involved.
This
is
a
really
important
characteristic
of
this
housing
option.
In
our
community
we
have
put
a
descriptor
up,
which
talks
about
it,
not
only
remaining
the
most
affordable
kind
of
detached
housing,
but
from
what
current?
H
Currently
we
see
is
that,
for
the
most
part,
the
manufactured
housing
option
is
actually
cheaper
than
renting
equivalent
apartment
in
most
cases,
and
that
is
a
really
valuable
thing
to
be
offering
so
affordability.
It
was
the
first
that
we
identified
viability
is
something
that
is
a
significant
concern
to
everybody,
whether
that's
at
the
nonprofit
own
park
or
the
market
rate
parks.
These
parks
need
to
continue
to
function
as
business
operations
and
they
need
to
provide
a
high
quality
living
experience.
H
They
need
to
be
well
maintained
and
that's
in
terms
of
the
housing
units
which
are
typically
owned
by
individuals,
as
well
as
the
park
services.
The
infrastructure
so
for
them
to
continue
be
preserved
as
a
viable
housing
option.
The
housing
has
to
be
in
good
shape
and
what
it's
attached
to
has
to
be
in
good
shape.
So
that's
what
empty
to
capture
in
here.
H
When
you
look
at
it,
as
you
saw
the
attachment
to
the
2015
memo,
if
you
look
at
the
one
dimension
of
racial
diversity,
that
parks
are
little
concentrations
that
really
support
the
community's
inclusion
and
diversity
goals
and
that
type
of
housing
is
making
a
really
big
difference
in
our
ability
to
do
that.
There
is
an
assumption
bate
that
probably
the
residents
of
mobile
home
parks
are
manufactured
housing
communities.
H
Some
percentage
are
probably
vulnerable,
whether
that's
economically
or
due
to
other
conditions,
mention
that
we
are
continuing
to
work
with
the
boulder,
affordable
housing
research
initiative
out
of
CU,
to
conduct
the
survey
of
park
residents
to
try
and
get
really
more
reliable
information
about
the
characteristics
of
people
who
live
in
parks
to
inform
this,
and
we
should
have
that
in
the
next
six
weeks,
eight
weeks.
Hopefully
so
it
will
become
a
part
of
this
discussion.
H
One
of
the
things
we
did
not
try
and
do
with
these
three
principles
was
capture
everything
that
we
value
about
the
manufactured
housing
communities
on
this
housing
option.
Nor
did
we
try
and
make
them
try
and
remove
any
of
the
inherent
tension
between
them.
So
some
of
the
things
you
would
do
to
enhance
viability
will
probably
have
an
effect
on
affordability,
but
both
are
valuable
to
to
try
and
consider
when
just
deciding
what
to
do,
we
will
be
taking
to
Council
a
recommended
of
the
40-plus
actions
that
we
have
collected.
H
We
will
be
trying
to
provide
counsel
with
an
initial
cut
as
to
which
one's
really
should
move
forward
for
further
analysis,
greater
definition
and
then
prioritization,
so
that
would
involve
developing
a
clear
description
of
what
they
are.
Some
pros
and
cons,
some
of
the
factors
and
considerations
that
you'd
want
to
take
into
account.
H
So
the
questions
we've
teed
up
for
you
tonight
for
your
discussion.
Once
you
have
your
your
questions
and
the
answers
about
any
of
the
content.
If
you'd
like
to
clarify
anything,
we'll
have
public
participation,
then
we'll
ask
you
to
to
address
these
questions.
It
just
helped
structure
your
conversation.
K
A
A
L
B
H
Lot
rents
are
in
the
mid
7os
if
you
own
your
home
outright.
Your
additional
costs
are
maintenance,
utility
taxes,
registration,
if
you
finance
your
home
home
prices,
range
from,
say
that
20s
to
well
over
$100,000,
so,
depending
on
how
you
finance
that
you'd
have
that
carrying
cost
as
well.
So,
depending
on
what
financing
you
have
it's
gonna
your
cost
of
living
in
a
manufactured
housing
kameez
going
to
vary.
H
H
There's
not
a
lot
of
two
and
three
bedroom
apartments
available
at
that
price,
and
there
are
no
ownership
opportunities.
I
just
saw
the
median
price
for
an
attached.
Dwelling
in
Boulder
is
mid,
four
hundred
thousands
right
now,
so
the
mortgage
on
that
exceeds
by
a
substantial
amount,
the
total
cost
of
owning
and
living
in
manufactured
housing,
community.
H
A
wide
range
of
those
lot
sizes
in
each
of
the
parks
don't
have
a
square
footage.
Calculation
under
the
city's
established
manufactured
housing
zone,
which
was
created
after
the
parks
were
constructed.
The
the
lot
sizes
are
large
on
average,
then
they
are
in
some
of
the
older
in
the
in
the
parks.
So
that
is
one
of
the
reasons
you
will
see
in
the
actions
looking
at
that
zone.
H
One
of
the
complications
that
we
heard
about
is
it's
difficult
to
bring
in
newer
homes
on
smaller
Lots
because
of
our
zoning
restrictions.
It
would
also
affect
the
ability
to
provide
more
how
much
housing
you
can
provide
in
a
new
park
and
as
a
function
of
the
lot
size
requirements
in
the
zone
as
well.
F
H
I
Anecdotally,
we
would
I
would
say
it's
just
from
talking
folks
I
mean
we
have
folks
who
just
moved
in
within
the
last
year
or
two,
and
we
have
folks
who've
been
in
their
home
for
forty
years.
So
what
the
numbers
are
on
the
ends
of
those
range
we
don't
know,
but
we
certainly
span
the
whole
that
whole
range,
because.
F
I
The
Bari
survey
will
really
help
us.
We
know
that
that
the
population
does
that,
while
in
some
ways
it
doesn't
change
in
other
ways,
it
changes
a
lot.
So
we
have
folks
who've
been
there
for
30
40
years
and
and
we
also
have
a
moveable
population
as
well,
so
we're
looking
forward
to
learning
more
specifics
about
them.
M
Have
a
question
and
by
the
way,
I'm
Krystal
Graham,
the
ex
officio
member
representative
from
Planning
Board
and
I.
Don't
vote
but
I
can't
ask
questions
so
my,
and
that
was
a
good
question
Jacque
about
the
size
of
the
Lots,
which
brings
up
some
of
the
items
that
are
on
the
Planning
Board's
work
program
and
how
how
this
effort
will
interface
with
them
and
specifically
the
use
tables
they
define
Lots
Isis,
followed
by
Community
Benefit
and
then
the
sub
Community
Plan.
M
A
N
Speaking
into
the
mic,
okay,
my
name's
Jim
freedom
I
live
in
the
Mapleton
park,
one
of
the
things
that
I
didn't
see
on
that
list
of
things
that
my
comments
were
hoping
to
see
some
sort
of
effort
in
for
older
mobile
homes.
In
my
park
that
most
of
the
parks
I've
been
into
there's
a
lot
of
older
mobile
homes
that
we
could
use.
Help
in
a
collective
bargaining
wouldn't
be
expensive,
but
bargaining
with
manufacturers
to
get
replacements
from
them
in
the
and
after
the
flood.
N
There's
a
lot
of
people
there
that
have
some
of
the
older
ones
that
are
just
falling
apart
and
they
can't
afford
to
go
out
and
buy
a
complete
replacement.
So
we're
looking
for
some
help,
and
mostly
it
doesn't
cost
much
except
personnel
time,
as
the
collective
bargaining
situation
got
a
whole
minute
left
and
then
from
friends
in
the
private
parks.
N
They
seem
five
to
seven
percent
increases
annually
in
their
rent,
and
that
seems
starting
to
price
people
out
of
that
market
and
they're
looking
for
maybe
some
help
on
rent
control
that
that's
taking
it
more
than
the
cost-of-living
increases
that
come
up
with
a
fixed
incomes
and
so
forth.
So
they're
wondering
if
there's
something
that
can
be
done
in
that
way.
There
was
a
story
on
NPR
today
about
how
private
corporations
are
coming
in
and
just
buying
them
up
and
raising
prices
and
again
half
a
minute
left.
N
C
D
N
I
used
to
be
in
Vista
village
from
I
was
living
in
a
friend's
place.
There
was
a
lot
of
community
sense.
There
I
almost
none
I'd
love
it
in
Mapleton.
We
have
a
real
community
as
very
bohemian
culture,
and
I
knew
most
a
lot
of
the
people
in
the
culture
already
so
I
like
that
sense,
and
we
we
sometimes
do
things
together.
We
have
board
meetings
and
I
go
to
those
occasionally
it's
it's
a
real
sense
of
family
community
that
I
didn't
get
into
public
law.
The
private
ones
do.
N
A
O
Hi
I'm,
Jory,
Glover
and
I
live
in
Vista,
Village
and
I
moved
in
two
years
ago.
A
little
over
two
years
and
I
have
been
absolutely
shocked
by
the
comparison
between
owning
a
home
somewhere
else
and
owning
a
mobile
home,
and
the
shock
is
mostly
around
the
discriminatory
and
often
unwritten,
rule
PUC
rules
and
the
climate
of
fear
and
intimidation.
You
know,
I,
don't
know
to
what
extent
your
group
is
going
to
want
to
focus
on
that.
O
But
the
main
thing
in
our
day-to-day
lives
is
the
constant
sense
of
harassment
and
some
of
the
parks
have
different
kinds
of
harassment
in
in
some
parks.
It's
the
illegal
towing,
where
you
could
actually
literally
lose
your
own
car
from
your
own
driveway
in
Vista
Village.
It's
a
little
more
sort
of
subtle,
sophisticated
I
have
to
pay
an
extra
fee
for
an
indoor
cat
that
never
is
outside
in
a
home
that
I
own
I
am
asked
to
pay
for
tree
trimming.
That
is
there.
O
You
know
a
danger
to
my
own
home
and
it's
an
infrastructure
issue,
and
yet
I'm
asked
to
pay
for
that.
You
know
that
tree
foundations,
the
foundations,
are
supposed
to
be
maintained
by
the
park
and
that's
why
I
pay
my
lot.
Rent
and
yeah
mine
is
crumbling
and
you
know
I
asked
a
bunch
of
times
what
I
could
do
and
they
don't
want
me
to
do
anything,
but
they
came
over
and
they
threw
some
cement
down
without
any
any
form.
O
And
of
course
you
know
I
mean
that's
like
ridiculous.
You
know
water
with
being
overcharged
for
water.
That's
you
know
something
that
maybe
you
guys
can't
deal
with,
but
somebody
needs
to,
and
so
we
formed
the
Colorado
coalition
of
manufactured
homeowners.
We
are
attempting
to
organize
residents
all
across
the
state
to
try
to
get
some
regulatory
support
for
the
existing
manufactured
home
ordinance.
Look
there
I
go
all
done.
C
O
O
Of
what
we're
trying
to
do,
but
as
residents
I
mean
we
all
have
full-time
jobs,
we
all
you
know
are
barely
scraping
by
and
so
it's
difficult
for
us
to
be
everywhere
and
then
there
are,
as
Brenda
alluded
to
a
lot
of
sort
of
barriers.
We
aren't
having
internet
in
our
parks,
so
we
can't
even
use
something
like
a
website.
O
We
often
are
trying
to
talk
to
neighbors
that
are
only
Spanish
speakers,
monolingual
Spanish
speakers.
So
it's
difficult
to
have
a
sense
of
community
in
under
certain
circumstances
and
to
gather
people
together,
but
but
also
the
management
doesn't
want
us
in
Vista
Village
to
gather
together
and
in
fact,
I'm
banned
from
the
office
and
several
of
our
board.
Members
are
also,
and
we
aren't
allowed
to
rent
the
community
building.
So
it's
very
hard
to
you
know
have
a
good
sense
of
community
when
you
are
being
watched.
O
A
O
O
F
H
Don't
remember,
the
particulars
of
the
mobile
home
park
act
clearly
enough
to
confirm
that,
but
yes,
one
of
the
desired
changes
to
that
is
that
increases
be
limited
to
once
annually
and
there
is
have
been
bills
introduced
in
the
past.
I,
don't
know
how
many
sessions
that
were
unsuccessful
to
provide
additional
guidance
and
regulation
of
manufactured
housing
communities
with
the
new
Statehouse
composition,
it's
entirely
possible
that
legislature
might
be
more
inclined
to
pass
new
legislation
and
they'll,
be
you
know,
through
that
process,
opportunities
to
influence
what
goes
into
it
with
rights?
Being
an
item?
F
P
One
of
the
things
that
seems
to
me
to
be
very
strongly
needed
is
some
form
of
legal
aid
or
legal
type
of
remedies
to
residents
in
mobile
home
parks,
particular
because
of
the
level
of
harassment
that
residents
experience
fairly
frequently
and
regularly
from
park
owners
from
Park
management
and
as
it
as
the
resources
currently
stand.
Most
people
would
have
to
bring
a
suit
for
individual
infractions
and
and
those
typically
just
the
level
of
harm
for
each
individual
fraction.
P
Legal
services
provides
aid
for
individuals,
especially
for
eviction,
notices
and
potentially
for
rule
infractions,
where
they're
being
threatened
with
with
evictions.
But
beyond
that
legal
services
is
forbidden
from
providing
aid
to,
for
example,
HOAs
that
represent
resident
organizations
and
they're
forbidden
from
engaging
in
class
action
suits.
So
a
vital
thing.
I
think
that
would
help.
C
There
was
a
part,
I
didn't
quite
understand.
You
said
something
your
people
are
forbidden
from
legal.
Something.
Do
you
remember
that
part
Colorado.
I
By
me,
we
have
been
working
with
the
Cu
Law
Clinic,
but
they
are
not
a
litigating
service,
they're
more
of
a
research
and
policy
service.
So
so
they've
been
very
helpful
to
us
in
in
helping
us
understand
what
sort
of
policy
avenues
there
might
be
or
helping
the
residents
understand
what
their
rights
are,
but
not
as
much
enforcement
of
those
rights.
Maybe.
P
P
A
P
Don't
I
can't
speak
for
other
parks
in
the
park
that
I'm
in
they
generally
raised
the
rents
every
year,
but
that
was
that
was
a
mom
and
pop
thing
up
until
August,
when
we
got
bought
and
rent
went
up
in
June
and
the
new
owners
are
looking
at
raising
our
rent
again,
this
coming
June
and
they
were
gonna.
Also
do
an
effective
rent
increase
by
starting
to
separate
the
water
costs
from
from
us
and
start
charging
us
in
a
couple
months.
I
think.
P
Q
I
live
in
the
San
Souci
mobile
home
park,
that's
between
eldorado
springs
and
Marshall,
and
the
companies
that
have
bought
us
they're,
sort
of
predatory
investors
they're,
showing
people
how
to
be
by
mom-and-pop
mobile
homes
and
turned
them
into
Mega
Millions
for
the
investors
and
there
we
also
have
the
impression
that
they
will
be
doing
gentrification
of
our
park
and
so
we're
concerned
that
our
older
mobile
homes,
low
income
and
the
seniors
will
soon
be
evict
and
we
vote.
Most
of
us
will
end
up
homeless.
So
we're
very
concerned
about
this.
Q
We
would
like
to
see.
Do
you
find
affordable
because
we're
like
I,
say
low-income
residents
and
defined
community
mobile
homes
were
built
before
1976
I
live
in
a
1964
frontier?
That's
ten
feet
wide
by
forty
seven
feet.
Long
and
I've
lived
in
the
San
Souci
50
years
we've
had
people.
My
neighbor
has
been
there
for
forty
five
and
so
was
one
of
our
resident
managers.
Q
We
want
to
find
out
if
there's
any
grandfathering
of
the
mobile
home
parks
that
are
over
that
age,
because
we
can't
afford
to
buy
anything
else
and
we're
concerned
that
we
will
be
told
that
they
have
to
be
removed,
or
we
may
be
told
you
can't
sell
them
either
and
the
previous
owner
let
making
that
slide,
and
so
there
was
a
lot
of
problems.
We
have
our
own
water
treatment
plant
and
our
own
sewer
plant
and
the
sewer
plant
by
state
law
has
to
be
brought
up
to
code.
Q
So
first
they
told
us
they
might
be
two
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars.
Then
we
heard
five
hundred
thousand
now
they're
saying
a
million
because
they
may
want
to
move
it
to
the
south
into
the
park,
which
means
pumping
stations
and
our
water
wells
are
out
in
that
area.
So
we're
very
concerned
there's
also
the
cost
involved,
and
we
don't
know
who
all
the
stakeholders
are
in
the
investments.
People
and
that's
about
all
I
have
thank
you.
Anybody.
C
Q
With
them-
and
we
do
have
pro
bono
attorney
out
of
Longmont-
that
is
trying
to
help
us
negotiate
rules
and
regulations,
because
what
they're
doing
is
a
lot,
it's
more
strict
than
what
we've
dealt
with
in
the
past,
plus
our
lot
rent.
Just
to
give
you
an
idea
when
I
first
moved
into
the
park
a
lot
rent
was
$32.50
and
months,
and
now
it's
480
Wow.
Q
Our
water
and
trash
and
water
sewer
trash,
and
now
we
have
recycling
that
was
all
included
in
our
rent.
Now
they
want
to
install
water
meters
and
they
said
they're
gonna
start
charging
just
for
water,
so
we're
assuming
we're,
also
going
to
be
charged
for
sewer,
we're
going
to
be
charged
for
trash.
Thank.
R
Good
evening
evening,
well,
I
wanted
to
start
by
talking
about
kind
of
reiterating
what
they
were
saying
with
the
way
ownership
can
act
towards
mobile
home
residents.
Again,
my
my
name
is
Matt
I'm,
the
president
of
Vista
Village,
homeowners
association,
which
is
more
of
a
community
association,
really
I,
would
urge
you
guys
to
take
a
look
and
just
google
mobile
home
University
they're,
a
private
business
that
teaches
investors
how
to
invest
in
mobile
home
parks
and
make
a
killing
off
of
them
and
exploit
the
people
who
live
there.
R
Ro
sees
resident
own
communities
are
a
great
way
for
mobile
home
residents,
manufactured
housing
residents
to
take
control
and
have
some
ability
to
to
have
control
over
the
direction
of
their
own
parks.
For
obvious
reasons,
this
ties
into
ideas
like
opportunity
to
purchase
first
right
of
refusal
type
of
things.
R
So
when
that
opportunity
comes
up,
that
can
be
very
helpful.
The
other
one
would
be
rent
control.
There's
currently
state
representative
Julie
Gonzales
has
stated
that
she's
looking
at
putting
forth
some
legislation
to
overturn
the
state
law
banning
rent
control,
which
would
definitely
open
avenues
for
the
city
to
help
to
tip
the
scale.
So
it's
more
even
right
now,
because
it's
anybody
who
lives
in
this
town
pretty
much
knows
it's
very
unbalanced
right
now,
single
occupancy
dwellings
are
averaging
15
to
1,600
bucks
a
month
for
people
to
rent.
R
So
that's
getting
out
of
control
and
rent
control
is
something
that
we're
looking
into
very
thoroughly
as
an
avenue
to
even
that
out
and
the
other
one
would
be
enforcement
of
ordinances
which
has
been
talked
about
and
then
the
last
thing
I
wanted
to
bounce
off.
You
guys
if
I
can
get
this
in
is,
is
a
city
supported
tax
pool
to
give
home
loans
to
mobile
home
residents,
and
if
you
guys,
are
interested
in
that,
I
can
tell
you
more
about
that.
R
A
R
I
will
definitely
do
that.
I.
Think
yeah
I
would
be
a
very
it's
an
interesting
idea,
and
it
would
be
a
way
to
give
how
mobile
homeowners,
leverage
and
people
who
are
looking
to
buy
mobile
homes.
Some
leverage,
because
it's
that
initial
purchase
of
the
mobile
home,
that
keeps
people
from
being
able
to
to
live
there
and
entering
into
a
form
of
housing
that
really
truly
is
affordable,
housing,
the
real
deal,
affordable,
housing.
Thank.
S
Hello
I'm
mark
Robbins
from
the
orchard
Grove
neighbors,
Association
and
I've
been
living
in
Orchard
Grove
for
going
on
37
years.
What
I
have
to
say
here
generally
represents
the
views
of
our
members,
although
not
in
every
case,
most
of
the
housing
in
Boulder
is
single-family.
Housing
and
mobile
homes
are
the
densest
most
energy-efficient
form
of
single-family
housing.
We
talk
about
tiny
homes,
but
we've
been
doing
tiny
homes
for
many
years
and
because
they're
building
factories
they're
more
affordable.
S
The
best
thing
that
Boulder
has
done
in
my
opinion
for
mobile
homes
is
the
mobile
home
zoning
because
it
not
only
preserves
the
use,
but
it
also
keeps
the
rents
from
getting
out
of
control,
because
if
the
owner
raises
them
too
much
and
people
default
and
the
park
empties,
he
can't
redevelop.
So
that's
been
a
good
thing.
Our
priorities,
in
my
opinion,
would
be
number
one
to
incorporate
some
of
the
the
Colorado
mobile
home
park
act
into
city
laws,
so
there's
and
create
an
enforcement
mechanism.
It's
a
good
law.
S
Kathy
Bern
has
rewritten
it
to
make
it
more
coherent,
but
the
only
enforcement
mechanism
is
to
basically
file
a
lawsuit
in
District
Court,
which
is
very
costly,
time-consuming.
Meanwhile,
you
roll
the
dice
on
getting
evicted
so
to
have
an
enforcement
mechanism,
for
the
things
that
are
ready
in
state
law
would
be
great.
The
second
thing
would
be
the
right
of
first
refusal
which
doesn't
hurt
the
park
owner.
It's
a
win-win
and
it
allows
the
residents
to
own
the
land.
The
third
thing
would
be
more
mobile
home
spaces.
S
Lisa
Moore
zoella's
talked
about
that
ideally
resident
owned.
But
if
you
look
at
the
last
50
years
in
Boulder
and
Boulder
County
population
has
increased,
every
form
of
housing
has
increased,
yet
the
number
of
mobile
home
spaces,
despite
higher
demand,
has
decreased.
That
creates
a
monopoly
situation
for
the
owners
which,
with
the
you
know,
expected
consequences.
I
also
wanted
to
talk
about
rent
control.
S
Having
a
little
bit
of
background
in
economics.
Unfortunately,
like
anyone
else
has
studied
economics
that
I
generally
don't
favor
rent
control,
because
while
it
benefits
a
few
and
would
if
at
me
in
the
long
run,
it
usually
hurts
affordability,
less
supply
and
and
loopholes.
And
you
know
you
can
look
at
San
Francisco
in
New
York
and
also
it
was
mobile
homes,
there's
a
dual:
the
wrinkle
of
the
dual
nature
of
ownership.
S
So
if
you
were
to
rent
control
the
lot
rent,
the
homes
would
the
the
equity,
the
increase
in
the
equity
and
the
value
of
the
land
would
accrue
to
the
home
when
sold.
So
you
find
that
in
California
that
where
they
have
rent
controlled
parks,
when
the
homes
sell
they
sell
for
two
or
three
times
let
a
home
a
similar
home
in
Boulder
would
sell
for
so
the
homeowner
gets
the
the
equity
instead
of
the
the
park
owner,
and
you
know
who
sized
all
the
lawsuits
and
all
that.
That
might
be
a
good
thing.
S
S
Would
say,
98%
of
people
live
in
mobile
home
parks
would
love
that
idea
because
basically
you'd
be
paying
the
same,
but
you
know
you
you
wouldn't
be
subject
to.
Essentially
I
mean
it's,
it's
a
ridiculous
notion
to
have
a
really
a
permanent
home
and
most
of
those
homes
never
move,
especially
the
newer
ones
and
you're
renting
the
the
land
on
a
month-to-month
basis.
S
T
Welcome
thank
you.
Hi
I'm,
Renee,
hello,
I'm,
vice
president
of
the
Vista
Village
homeowners
association
and
I'm
on
the
steering
committee
for
the
foresee
mob
coalition
of
manufactured
homeowners
in
Boulder.
So
a
few
comments
here.
Great
work
on
this
strategy
is
the
whole
document.
I
can't
say
that
I
remember
everything,
but
lots
of
good
points
in
there.
One
thing
I
wanted
to
bring
up
it's
for
quality
of
life.
T
T
Reached
out
to
City,
Council
and
somehow
worried
if
it
got
back
to
management,
I
went
into
the
park
office
to
give
something
and
is
like
hey
Lena.
Can
we
talk
to
you
and
you
know
we
had
a
civil
conversation.
I
appreciate,
you
know,
white
management
does,
but
it
just.
It
doesn't
feel
good
to
be
working
on
behalf
of
our
fellow
residents
and
she's
like
well.
It
just
come
to
me
about
things
and.
T
They
just
leave,
you
know
things
she
was
saying
stuff
like
that.
Again
we
have
a
civil
relationship
and
I'm
not
trying
to
trash
management,
but
I
really
would
like
to
see
more
empowerment
for
the
HOAs,
and
even
you
know,
if
I
don't
know
if
this
can
be
done
in
City
law
or
not,
but
some
structure,
where
you
can't
just
a
cost,
someone
without
warning
and
start
asking
them
questions
about
about
things
like
that.
So
also
we
required
communications
from
the
owners
to
the
homeowners.
T
They
spent
a
suggestion,
if,
like
a
homeowners,
Bill
of
Rights
that
can
be
posted
or
communications
that
are
required
upon
purchase.
It's
like
how
often
do
rents
go
up
if
they
can
tell
you
what's
been
the
history
of
rent
increases
in
the
past.
What
can
you
expect
you
know
and
then
upon
sale
of
home?
T
A
H
H
A
specific
strategy,
but
they
in
with
the
city,
have
rezone
the
manufactured
housing
communities
under
their
jurisdiction
for
that
use.
Only
so
they
aren't.
Those
parks
are
not
in
jeopardy
of
being
redeveloped
and
I
know
that
they
have
worked
with
residents
of
parks
on
a
number
of
very
similar
issues
to
the
ones
you're
hearing
about
I,
don't
know
if
they
have
adopted
a
formal
strategy,
but
their
overall
goal
through
the
boulder
valley.
Comp
plan
is
the
same
as
ours
preserve
and
expand
this
housing
option.
One.
I
Thing
we've
heard
from
our
county
neighbors
is
is
that
they
are
very
jealous
of
the
ordinances
that
the
city
has
put
in
place.
There
are
many
of
them
like
that
sale.
We
allow
people
to
sell
mobile
homes
that
were
built
before
1976
in
the
city
of
Boulder
in
the
state.
That's
not
allowed,
so
that's
a
home
rule
ordinance
that
we've
enacted
that
has
proven
helpful.
Okay.
A
And
for
me
personally,
I
had
my
other
questions
answered
about
the
legal
stuff
already,
but
it
seems
like
there
were
some
really
great
points
brought
up
so
I'm
curious
how
we
can
fit
those
in
into
and
we're
looking
at
community
or
viability.
With
the
tax
incentive
system,
people
were
suggesting
I'm,
an
affordability
just.
H
I'll
just
add
that,
and
we
I
believe
we
talked
about
this
a
few
months
back.
Let
me
give
you
the
overview
that
the
state
manufactured
housing
the
mobile
home
park
act
governs.
State
law
is
going
to
govern
in
most
cases.
What
can
happen?
The
city
as
we
related
to
you,
has
passed
a
few
ordinances
that
are
outside
the
scope
of
the
state
legislation.
So
we've
been
able
to
do
things
like
some
of
the
things
that
were
mentioned.
H
H
The
city
has,
as
part
of
its
adopted
legislative
agenda
for
many
years,
supported
changes
to
that
state-level
legislation,
and
that
is
in
the
currently
adopted
legislative
agenda,
as
is
support
for
a
variety
of
things
that
would
make
it
easier
for
residents
to
purchase
their
communities
if
and
when
they
are
for
sale.
So
those
those
efforts
are
going
to
continue
they've
already
been
approved
by
City
Council
and
there's
no
reason
to
believe
that
they
would.
We
would
change
our
perspective
on
that.
C
I
Have
heard
from
the
community
that
manufactured
housing
or
manufactured
homes
is
preferred
because
of
the
misnomer
of
the
word
mobile
okay.
It
is
not
easy
to
pick
these
homes
up
and
move
them
and
that's
part
of
what
creates
the
vulnerability
for
the
residents.
If
you
have
a
fight
with
your
landlord
in
an
apartment,
you
can
find
a
new
apartment
if
your
home,
if
your
home
is
there
and
you'd,
have
to
pick
up
and
move
your
home
and
that's
the
difficult
to
do
and
very
expensive,
then
it
puts
you
in
a
much
less
powerful
position.
My.
H
I
C
H
I
am
aware
of
single-digit
numbers
of
those,
but
I
haven't
tracked
it
over
the
past
years.
I
know:
there's
been
discussion
of
transitioning
to
other
types
of
housing,
so
they
may
have
reduced
that
number.
The
agencies
that
do
that
and
I,
maybe
I,
know
what
I'm
aware
of,
but
if
there
are
agencies
that
have
taken
that
housing
model
further
than
a
handful
I,
don't
know
it.
Okay,.
D
H
You
know,
I,
don't
know
for
sure.
If
our
manufactured
housing
zone
requires
that
or
not
something
I'll
have
to
look
up.
The
other
piece
of
it
would
be
around
the
requirements
of
the
of
our
manufactured
housing
zone.
What
the
homes
have
to
be.
They
cannot
be
permanently
affixed
to
a
foundation
and
they
have
to
be
tied
down
in
a
certain
way.
They
have
to
meet
certain
requirements
for
wind
loading
and
the
like
that
would
limit
what
kinds
of
homes
you
are
allowed
to
do.
M
H
My
understanding
is,
it's
not
specified
where,
where
you
get,
it
is
by
adding
up
the
various
required
elements,
a
bedroom
space
or
other
living
spaces
and
bathroom
and
kitchen.
So
if
you
add
up
the
required
square
footage
of
all
the
required
components
of
a
individual
dwelling
unit,
you
get
to
somewhere
above
400
feet
and
I
believe
I,
don't
know
that
it's
anywhere
specified
that
a
dwelling
unit
must
be
450
square
feet
or
greater
or
I.
H
A
B
B
H
Haven't
run
across
a
state
requirement,
I,
don't
know
if
it's
exclusively
limited
to
local
jurisdictions
to
decide
the
city's
manufactured
housing
zone
which
you're
referencing
was
developed
a
couple
decades
ago.
I
believe
maybe
even
a
little
longer
with
the
idea
that
it
would
be
applied
for
new
parks
and
there
was
a
desire
to
have
a
certain
level
of
density,
a
certain
level,
a
setback
and
as
the
standards
for
home
construction
have
changed,
it's
possible
that
that
lot
size
would
no
longer
fit
a
standard
home.
H
So
that's
one
of
the
reasons
there
have
been
no
new
parks
since
the
70s,
so
this
zone
has
never
been
used.
The
way
it
was
designed
so
there's
a
lot
to
be
thought
about
if
there
is
a
potential
for
a
new
park
as
to
what
exactly
it
should
happen
with
that
zoning
designation,
whether
it
should
be
modified
or
not,
for
a
new
park,
it
certainly
does
not
fit
the
existing
parks
very
well.
H
G
U
Thought
you
just
add
on
something
to
that
on
what,
on
top
of
what
Jeff
had
to
say,
our
director
of
housing,
Human
Services,
so
typically
a
mobile
home
park
is
a
lot
technically.
A
mobile
home
doesn't
sit
on
a
lot
so
that
3,500,
the
II
referred
to
in
the
in
the
code
would
be
more
related
or
similarly
to
a
single-family
home,
so
I
think
they're,
more
regulated
by
setbacks
and
that
sort
of
thing.
So
that's
where
that
would
come
into
play,
but
they
don't
actually
define
each
unit
as
a
lot.
Okay,
thank.
A
M
I
did
have
a
question
mark
Robbins
brought
up
the
right
of
first
refusal,
a
possibility,
could
you
let
us
know
the
status
and
the
city
of
Boulder
for
any
type
of
mobile
home
park
or
manufactured
home
park
acquisition?
Is
there
a
firt
right
of
first
refusal
for
the
city
or
a
non-profit?
There.
M
Actually
bring
this
up
because
the
city
of
San
Francisco
that
a
member
of
their
Board
of
Supervisors
has
proposed
to
preserve
existing,
affordable
housing
that
there
be
a
right
to
first
refusal
and
then
have
a
fund
set
up
for
for
nonprofits
to
then
tap
into
that
and
I
think
it
would
be
worth
following
that.
I'll
try
to
send
out
a
link.
H
We
tried
to
structure
the
discussion
around
these
three
questions,
with
the
first
being
looking
at
what's
been
collected
so
far,
the
research
that
we've
done,
the
community
input
how
we've
compiled
it
that
raised
anything
for
you.
Do
you
have
any
questions
about
it
or
any
observations
you
have
that
you
wish
to
share
the
second,
the
moving
forward
from
that
base.
We
thought,
since
we
took
this
approach,
we
to
ask
you
about
it.
Is
we
tried
to
identify
some
principles
that
would
help
to
move
forward
discussions
around?
What
we're
trying
to
accomplish
is
that
working?
H
How
does
it
would
you
choose
different
ones?
Do
you
like
the
ones
that
are
there?
Would
you
add
any,
do
you
think
the
definitions
are
accurate
or
are
good
guides
for
decision
making
and
then
the
third
conversation
we
were
hoping
to
have
is:
how
would
you
help
guide
us
and
advise
us
on
cutting
down
into
something?
That's
a
first-tier
kind
of
let's
move
forward
with
in-depth
analysis
and
prioritization.
So
that's
we're
trying
to
structure
for
the
conversation
but
turn
it
back
over
to
you
to
see
how
you
want
to
take
it.
Do.
A
C
C
C
You
can
do
some
of
the
easy
ones.
Every
year
like
I
just
noticed,
one
of
them
was
something
about
disseminating
information.
That's
not
complicated
process,
that's
just
getting
it
together,
getting
it
on
the
website
or
notifying
people.
Some
are
really
complicated
and
so
it'd
be
easier.
I
would
think
for
council
to
prioritize
if
it
were
divided
in
those
ways
that
was
just
my
thought
of
it
would
have
really
helped
me
because
I
kept
looking
back
and
forth.
K
D
I've
been
thinking
about
this
and
kicking
around
in
my
head
and
to
me
it
seems
like
one
of
the
biggest
concerns
is,
as
Boulder
has
become
more
expensive.
People
are
willing
to
sacrifice
to
live
here
to
some
degree
and
what
I'm
worried
about
is
people
living
in
manufactured
housing?
Communities
are
gonna,
be
displaced
by
people
who
are
willing.
D
Probably
you
know
a
better
means
in
general
but
willing
to
live
in
something
like
a
tiny
home,
and
they
then
benefit
from
this
awesome
resource
that
we
have
right
now,
that's
supposed
to
be
for
an
entirely
different
group
of
people
just
because
they're
more
willing
to
live
in
a
smaller
space.
So
it's
it's
a
trade-off
between
what
can
be
allowed
there
to
increase
the
vitality
like
you
mentioned,
but
you
might
be
sacrificing
pretty
much
all
the
affordability
out
of
it.
D
So
that's
kind
of
my
major
concern
and
it
does
just
fit
all
under
the
umbrella
of
gentrification,
I,
guess
and
I.
Think
that's
the
thing
that,
while
we're
developing
a
strategy,
that's
the
thing
we
have
to
curtail
the
most,
because
so
many
people
want
to
live
here
in
Boulder
that
they're
willing
to
make
a
sacrifice-
and
you
know
the
amount
of
space
that
they're
gonna
take
up
in
order
to
do
that
and
there's
enough
people
like
that
who
are
still
pretty
extremely
wealthy.
D
H
If
I
understand
correctly
I
believe
you
are
saying
we
should
not
allow
different
housing
types
in
the
existing
manufacturing
housing
communities
because
it
would
get
rid
of
the
manufactured
housing,
replace
it
with
tiny
home
or
duplex,
or
something
that
for
them
what's
allowed
now.
Is
that
an
accurate
understanding,
I'm
not.
D
A
Be
a
consideration
of
capping
or
matching,
so
you
know
if
mobile
homes
are
coming
in
at
sorry,
I
keep
saying
mobile
homes,
I'm
old
school
manufactured
homes,
keep
and
they're
coming
in
at
a
certain
price
point,
and
maybe
there's
a
way
to
mitigate
that.
So
it's
not
all
of
a
sudden.
You
know
$200,000
tiny
homes
and
families
moving
in
and
pushing
out
the
vulnerable
population.
Yeah.
A
You
know
they're
still
super
viable,
30,
40,
$50,000,
tiny
home
options
that
we're
seeing
in
a
lot
of
different
communities
that
if
somebody
wanted
to
opt
for
that,
could
be
a
financial
viable
option
for
someone.
So,
yes,
I
totally
I
agree
with
that.
I
think
it's
something
to
consider
and
look
at
Michael.
Do
you
have
anything
you
own
in.
F
F
What's
available
with
respect
to
what
you
pointed
out,
Jeff
is
we
have
to
operate
inside
the
Colorado
law,
even
if
we
don't
like
it,
we
have
to
do
that
and
and
the
federal
law
and
stuff
of
what
could
be
done
and
maybe
by
what
another
community
like
crystal
mention
our
city,
San,
Francisco
or
others
have
done
to
to
address
it,
because
I
can't
imagine
from
everything.
That's
been
described
to
me
this
evening
that
it
would
be
a
situation
that
would
resolve
itself
on
its
own.
A
Yes,
so
I've
got
a
couple
of
things
too,
and
just
for
everybody
that
was
out
there
as
well.
I
lived
at
Ponderosa
and
so
I'm
familiar
as
well
and
I
had
noticed
that
most
people
that
all
came
up
here
there
wasn't
any
visible
anyway,
but
we're
able-bodied
and
we're
not
I
was
in
a
mobile
home
park
where
it
was
largely
Hispanic,
and
so
that's
why
I
kind
of
went
back
to
that
information
collecting
and
the
issues
is
like
in
the
mobile
homes.
Are
vulnerable
population
seniors
anybody
with
that?
Couldn't
make
it
to
these
meetings.
A
A
I
And
I
will
share
their
they're,
probably
not
gonna.
Look
like
you
want
them
to
look,
but
they
do
look
better
than
they've
ever
looked
before
so
so.
I
do
think
that
we
we
went
to
a
lot
of
new
types
of
efforts
with
this
program
and
and
I
think
they
paid
off.
But
when
you
look
at
them
on
paper,
when
you
see
a
handful
of
Spanish
speakers,
it's
probably
not
going
to
feel
satisfying.
It
felt
very
satisfying
to
us
because
they
haven't
walked
in
the
door
before
and
they
did
this
time.
I'm.
I
And
we
had
door
knocking,
as
we
said,
Adam
at
Orchard,
Grove
and
Boulder
meadows,
and
that
was
done
by
a
member
of
our
consulting
team,
who
has
been
working
with
us
all
year
on
specifically
that
enix
engagement,
okay,
so
she's
starting
to
build
some
relationships
and
build
some
trust
marks,
and
we
will
continue
to
be
investing
in
that
strategy
this
year.
And
so
it's
this
conversation
hasn't
stopped
with
the
community.
As
we
start
to
build.
More
relationships
will
continue
to
keep
talking
to
people
just.
B
H
H
We
are
I
we
are
really
hoping
that
we
get
a
significant,
statistically
significant
response
rate
so
that
we
can
have
a
much
better
understanding
of
you
know
what
percent
of
residents
and
mobile
home
parks
are
fall
into
various
categories.
There's
a
lot
of
different
opinions
about
that,
based
on
people's
personal
experiences
and
not
any
really
solid
data.
Yet.
C
Also,
when
Adam
was
talking
about,
if
you
have
tiny
homes
or
if
you
don't
and
and
and
making
sure
that
that's
what
can
be
done
to
address
gentrification
I
think
is
a
good
issue
on
its
own
and
although
I
wouldn't
myself
be
predisposed
to
want
tiny
homes
in
existing
mobile
home
parks,
I
do
see
it
as
a
good
pilot
program
and
maybe
the
purchase
of
a
new
land
and
I
had
mentioned
this
once
to
Jeff.
That
Brenda,
are
you
aware
of
the
project
that
they're
doing
in
Longmont
with
tiny
homes
for
veterans?
C
So
it's
something
I
can
talk
to
you
about
it
afterwards,
but
it's
a
fabulous
project
and
it's
only
taking
two
years
from
when
someone
first
donated
land
for
that
purpose
to
win
it
should
be
completed
and
it
would
be
25
homes
for
veterans
with
a
main
place
to
do
laundry
and
have
community
meeting
and
this
and
that
it's
a
it's
a
great
many
tiny
homes
projects
I'll
be
happy
to
talk
to
you
about
it.
Afterwards,
you,
okay,.
H
We
have
drafted
the
three
while
ago,
three
being
affordability,
viability
and
community.
We
had
those
defined
be
very
interested
in,
and
the
utility
of
this
approach
from
in
your
perspective
and
whether
there's
something
missing
that
you
think
is
important
or
any
other
comments
you
have
on
how
this
approach
might
be
applied.
M
I
G
F
Like
the
the
way
you've
laid
this
out
overall
I
find
it,
you
know,
succinct
and
appealing
I'm,
the
affordability
it
strikes
me
manufactured
home
communities
are
I,
was
so
naturally
affordable
compared
to
like
low
income,
housing
tax
credit,
whether
it's
a
four
nine
percent
tax
credit,
although
what
did
you
find
interesting
is
that
in
the
tax
credit
stuff,
there's
so
much
oversight
and
regulation
from
the
Colorado
Housing
Finance
Authority
of
cetera.
To
do
that
that
it
speaks
to
my
observation
anyway,
the
relative
efficiency
of
of
manufactured
home
committees.
F
F
In
my
mind,
a
lot
that
was
touched
on
by
the
public
comment
this
evening
is
infrastructure
working
with
some
people
and,
having
looked
at
a
number
of
deals
and
like
the
rock
USA
stuff
and
others,
one
of
them
biggest
deal
breakers
was
infrastructure
with
sticker
shock
of
and
it
they
can
be
quite
easily
manipulated
numbers
and
I.
Think
we
heard
some
public
comment
about
that
that
you
know
it
starts
out
it.
F
A
D
One
short
piece
and
I
think
everybody
sort
of
realizes
this,
but
without
the
affordability
component
you
won't
have
a
community.
You
won't
have
viability,
like
obviously
there's
a
foundational
piece
here
that
clearly
needs
to
be
addressed
and
I
hope
we
can
do
a
bunch
of
things
in
viability
and
community
simultaneously.
But
as
we
found
in
Boulder,
it's
not
gonna
be
the
same
people
in
the
same
city.
If
we
don't
address
the
affordability
issue,
first.
A
And
we're
just
kind
of
going
down
the
line.
I
would
add.
You
know
the
question
again
being
the
principles
to
guide
prioritization
of
actions.
I
I,
agree,
I,
think
those
are
a
great
foundation
and
everything
that
I
was
that
you
guys
have
mentioned
already,
as
well
as
what
we're
hearing
from
people
I
feel
like
all
fits
underneath.
It
didn't
feel
like
there
was
anything
that
popped
out
I
do
like
the
idea
of
a
homeowner
Bill
of
Rights
I.
A
Do
like
heading
towards
something
like
that,
so
that
there's
a
way
to
level
that
playing
field
a
little
bit
so
that
there
there's
some
empowering
because
I
mean
you've,
got
two
owners
and
together
separate,
they
don't
work
together,
so
figuring
out
how
to
work
together
and
again.
Yes,
how
you
prioritize
them
I
feel
is
great.
A
C
B
I
think
of
mirroring
Adam
on
this
I
feel,
like
affordability
is
the
overarching
piece
and
my
concern
is
that
you
know
different
levels
of
interests
from
different
pieces
of
the
community.
Some
of
it
not
necessarily
from
the
manufactured
housing
residents
themselves,
may
impact
some
of
those
affordability,
pieces
and
I.
Think
it's
just.
B
We
really
need
to
prioritize
that
as
the
overarching
concern
and
then
looking
at
it
I
hope
we
would
take
a
big
bite
approach
to
it
in
the
sense
that,
for
instance,
historically,
they
have
been
working
as
Michael
says
they
seem
to
be
efficient,
but
I
do
have
concerns
about
relying
on
the
history
versus
potentially.
What
we're
seeing
now
is
the
changes
in
that
marketplace
from
an
investment
strategy
standpoint
and
what
people
are
obviously
kind
of
bringing
a
focus.
H
I
D
It
seems
like
the
focal
point
to
me,
based
on
what
I've
heard,
what
the
community
brought
to
us
is
trying
to
get
ownership
within
the
community
at
some
level
seems
to
be
paramount,
some
sort
of
bargaining
ability
and
whether
that
be
buying
it.
You
know
as
the
city
of
Boulder
or
just
forcing
some
sort
of
legislative
ability
on
these
places.
Where
you
know
the
community
members
actually
have
a
say
in
what
happens
in
their
community
I
know
one
who
created
their
own
HOA,
but
they
don't
have
any
actual
authority
within
the
community.
D
It's
just
a
community
group.
Essentially,
you
know
we
have
to
provide
a
structure
where
there's
accountability
on
the
on
behalf
of
the
owner.
Without
that
one
of
the
most
disturbing
things
I
heard
was
essentially
their
right
to
assemble
has
been
taken
away
from.
They
can't
even
use
their
own
community
space
like
that
is
absurd
to
me
that
we
can
allow
that
as
a.
D
C
I
I
think
that
my
suggestion
with
the
45
or
46
or
whatever
that
you
listed,
would
be
to
you're
gonna
love
this
go
big
and
and
that
they're
all
really
important
and
that
you're
gonna
have
to
make
some
prioritizations
and
again
I
suggest
you,
you
sort
every
every
principle
out
into
easy
and
hard,
but
then
you
prioritize
for
like
a
three
or
four
year
plan
of
what's
actually
doable
starting
with
the
most
crucial
and
I,
certainly
agree
with
what
everyone's
saying
is.
The
most
crucial
is
the
affordability
aspect.
C
Obviously,
if
they're
not
viable,
if
people
get
ownership
of
the
property
and
then
have
no
sewers,
you
know
that
work,
you
know,
I
mean
so.
Obviously
all
these
things
need
attention.
I'd
like
to
ask
if
it's
possible,
besides
the
ones
you
listed.
If
those
of
us
on
have
who
wish
to
within
the
next
week
can
listen.
I
want
to
listen
to
our
the
video
of
the
public
comment
and
add
a
few
things,
and
if
we
can
do
that
within
the
next
week,
that
would
be
super
and
yeah
that's.
My
comment.
I
B
This
is
kind
of
actually
looping
back
a
little
bit
to
the
first
of
your
questions,
but
just
with
the
community
feedback
piece
as
I.
Look
at
the
nine
steps
we
being
at
step.
Four
one
of
the
things
that
kept
popping
into
my
head
as
I,
was
listening
to
the
public
participation
to
everybody.
You
spoke
to
us
and
the
questions
that
were
rolling
through
my
head
was
we're
going
to
come
up
with
some
options
or
ideas
on
how
to
proceed
and
recommendations.
B
Is
there
a
manner
in
this
where
we
have
a
secondary
feedback
loop
like
mine?
My
thing
is
you
hear
me
harping
on
a
lot
sizes,
I'm
trying
to
wrap
my
head
around
that
and
like
how
will
density?
How
can
it
impact
this
either
positively
or
negatively,
but
what's
the
feeling
of
the
residents
as
far
as
the
density
and
that
kind
of
thing?
So
if
we
come
up
with
these
things,
do
we
have
something
in
here
that
will
allow
us
to
re-engage
at
some
point?
Yeah.
I
H
I
One
of
the
pleasures
of
getting
to
know
the
residents
has
been
that
many
of
them
have
been
working
in
these
arenas
for
many
many
years
and
are
extremely
knowledgeable
about
what
opportunities
exist
about
what
types
of
things
of
course
would
make
their
daily
lives
better,
and
so
we
find
great
value
in
having
them
in
the
room
with
us.
For
these
discussions.
H
I
And
this
project
can
also
be
followed
along
on
the
website.
If
you,
the
easiest
way
to
do,
it
is
to
go
to
the
city
of
Boulder
website,
Boulder,
Colorado,
gov
and
then
in
the
search
box
put
in
manufactured
Housing,
Strategy
and
it'll.
Take
you
to
the
page,
and
you
can
sign
up
for
email
updates
on
how
the
strategy
work
is
going,
and
that's
I
think
one
of
the
reasons
many
people
were
here
tonight,
but
we
hope
that
people
continue
to
sign
up
for
it
and
follow
the
project.
Well,.
A
I
think
I
can
say
for
all
of
us.
We
appreciate
you
guys
coming
down
and
participating
in
this,
and
we
look
forward
to
going
through
this
process
with
you
and
again
feel
free
to
email,
us
any
questions
or
concerns
that
you
may
have
as
we
move
forward.
So
thank
you
for
sharing
and
if
everybody's
okay,
with
it
a
five
minute
break
before
we
can
move
on
to
matters
from
the
board.
M
K
D
So,
just
as
a
little
background
when
we're
going
through
the
committee's
determining
whether
or
not
we
want
to
keep
or
get
rid
of
them,
we
decided
that
we
should
give
the
engagement
committee
a
chance
to
give
a
purpose
statement
and
figure
out
exactly
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish-
and
this
is
the
next
step
in
that.
So
we
provided
this
to
you
guys
tonight
to
read
over
give
us
feedback,
so
we
can
adjust
it
if
needed.
D
If
we
all
like
it,
as
is
then
we'll
try
to
approve
it
tonight,
but
we
essentially
want
to
adopt
this.
We
stated
it
as
the
year
of
2019,
because
we
should
probably
reassess
boards
or
sorry
committees
on
a
yearly
basis,
so
this
would
essentially
approve
the
committee
for
the
remainder
of
2019
to
be
reassessed
again
in
2020.
So
if
you
want
to
just
take
a
second
and
read
through
it-
and
we
can
have
a
little
discussion
about
what
you
think
and.
C
A
Well,
I
think
it's
awesome,
I
think
you
guys
have
put
together
a
good
piece.
There's
only
one
piece
of
it
that
it's
a
personal
thing
for
me
like
right
at
the
point
where
it
says:
decreased,
divisiveness,
I,
always
try
and
incentivize
the
positive
and
remove
the
negative
words.
So
for
me,
decreased
visum
ness
what
would
be
the
flip
of
that
and
we
would
be
increasing
codification.
B
D
A
M
V
V
A
C
D
A
So,
let's
pause
for
just
one
second,
so
we're
starting
to
talk
about
what
that
opinion
piece
is,
but
we
also
have
a
I
think
we
also
need
to
step
back
and
see
if
we
all
want
to
do
that
sure,
and
then,
if
that's
something
we're
interested
due
to
in
doing
as
under
the
engagement
piece,
then
we
can
maybe
talk
about
the
structure
of
it.
Does
that
sound
like
right?
Jeff
am
I
on
course,.
G
A
You're
my
good
litmus
test,
if
I'm
off
based
on
something,
but
it
seems
like
we'd-
want
to
make
sure
that.
So
to
me,
when
you're
talking
about
the
goal,
creates
clear,
efficient,
accessible
communication
processes
and
material
to
share
information
about
the
board,
how
it
operates
and
upcoming
decision
points
and
then
the
strategies
being
something
ongoing.
A
A
D
A
Corey,
if
you
scroll
up
or
is
this
Jeff
on
yours,
if
you
scroll
up,
what's
underneath
the
specific
for
public
hearings,
I'm,
sorry
down,
okay,
this
that's
the
next
goal,
all
right
so
with
this
goal.
So
then
would
we
want
to
make
a
motion
then,
on
this
goal,
and
we
would
separate
out
these
two
items
because
one
may
get
approved
the
other
one
might
not
or
they
both
get
approved
or.
C
Just
add
one
things:
I
could,
as
far
as
Adam
had
mentioned,
that
we
would
put
everybody's
name
in
it
if
there's
a
circumstance
where
somebody
doesn't
want
their
name
on
it.
For
a
particular
reason,
I
think
that
should
be
okay.
We
can
always
go
to
just
add
them
and
I
from
the
engagement
committee.
If
somebody
feels
that
way
or
something
I
don't
want
to
in
a
position,
is.
A
L
B
A
So
what
I?
What
I'm
hearing
then
is
I
if
we
agree
to
do
these
pieces
and
when
we
say
nuts
and
bolts
I
go
to
and
my
thinking
the
who,
what
where,
when?
Why
leaving
out
any
filler
to
it
and
that
it's
the
same
in
the
movies
letter
as
the
opinion
piece,
and
am
I
hearing
you
correctly
when
you
say
that
is.
C
Okay,
so
I,
first
of
all
feel
that
those
are
two
different
things:
a
quarterly
newsletter
and
a
quarter
in
the
daily
camera
and
whereas
a
newsletter,
you
want
it
to
be
really
brief
and
with
bullet
points.
So
the
people
who
are
reading
a
lot
of
things
can
read
it.
When
people
read
call
it
opinion,
pieces
or
letters
to
the
editor
in
the
paper,
it's
a
little
different
thing.
That's
not
like
putting
a
posting
of
a
meeting
or
strictly
informational.
A
D
It
was
just
I
want
to
make
sure
that
I'm,
conveying
that
this
isn't
gonna
be
about
who
was
right
or
who
write.
It
is
the
decisions
that
we
made.
You
know
if
we,
if
what
we
talked
about
the
decisions
we
made
on
them
and
the
upcoming
things
like
those
are,
the
things
we
want
to
cover,
and
it's
strictly
so
people
know
what
happened
and
what
is
going
to
happen.
No,
no
editorializing
right.
A
Editorialize,
when
you
say
how
did
we
get
to
this
position,
how
do
you
some
minds?
How
do
you
some
eyes
what
we
were
all
discussing
in
a
way
that
doesn't
have
opinion
in
it,
even
I'm,
saying
I
get
what
you're
saying
so,
that's
to
me
a
slippery
slope
of
how
do
we
surmise
what
we've
done
without
it
without
it
being
influenced,
but.
C
F
K
F
I
did
two
things
on:
one
was
well
I,
agree
with
Nathan
and
the
it's
difficult
to
avoid
an
interpretive
piece
of
that
I'd
like
to
I
need
to
keep
my
name
off
that
you
know
as
far
as
it.
In
that
way,
you
know
if
there's
not
consensus,
which
is
fine,
you
know
I'm
fine
with
it
being
signed,
housing,
advisory
board,
I'm,
fine
with
it
being
but
I'm.
F
It
could
be
an
issue
and
it
could
be
an
issue
issue
for
my
employer
as
well
and
in
my
name
beyond
that
piece
and
and
they
don't
deserve
a
vote.
You
know
clearly
at
all
and
and
I'm
a
quarterly
piece
when
I
find
a
lot
of
times
with
quarterly
newsletters
or
monthly
newsletters
or
weekly
newsletters.
Is
you
then
have
this
quarterly
does
deadline
whatever
it?
Is?
C
A
Okay,
yes,
crystal
Jeff.
H
H
M
I
bring
that
up
because
planning
has
a
newsletter.
It's
an
email
newsletter
that
comes
out
often
twice
a
month.
I
think
that's
the
goal
and
list,
and
if
you
don't
subscribe,
you
should
subscribe,
you
can
go
to
the
planning
departments,
website
and
I.
Don't
know
if
housing
has
anything
like
that
listing
what
the
me
it's
generally
will
list
what
the
meetings
are
that
are
coming
up.
What
actions
from
planning
that
are
then
going
to
council,
so
I
found
really
informative
to
keep
up
to
date.
It's
got
all
the
you
know.
M
H
It's
a
communication
strategy:
that's
employed
to
accomplish
certain
goals,
the
department,
the
planning
department,
as
a
lot
of
things
that
are
of
interest
to
the
public
and
have
chosen
to
meet
that
need
using
this
tool.
I,
don't
know
if,
with
the
new
housing
and
Human
Services
Department
structure,
whether
that
discussion
has
happened
or
not,
could
certainly
bring
it
up.
It'd.
B
Was
just
gonna
say:
I
mean
as
we're
going
through
this
I.
The
way
I'm
kind
of
leaning
is
I.
Think
a
quarterly
newsletter
is
great
in
finding
out
what
that
format
is
for
getting
it
out
to
the
public,
and
how
will
do
that
and
whether
there's
you
know
some
other
means
that
we
could
even
employ
on
the
opinion
piece
I
kind
of
lean
with
Michael
on
it
and
say
well
in
some
ways
it
would.
We
would
have
I
think
that's
an
important
thing
to
do
actually,
when
we
feel
that
we're
moving
into
space.
B
That
is
really
important
and
it's
important
for
the
public
to
be
aware
of
it
and
what
we're
doing
and
our
perspective
on
it
again
of
what's
going
on
for
us
when
it
has
enough
meat
to
it.
I
think
we
really
should
do
it,
but
I,
don't
know
that
I
would
tie
it
to
a
quarterly
condition,
and
that
may
also
allow
us
to
give
more
focus
to
that
thing
and
and
put
it
forth
so
not.
D
To
tarnish
my
own
strategy
here,
but
we
also
don't
have
between
the
two
of
us
enough
ability
to
put
in
quarterly
opinion
pieces
and
then
additional
outreach
pieces,
because
the
cameras
rules
are
more
within
a
year,
less
I'm
sure
I'm
gonna
have
plenty
of
stuff.
That
I
want
to
say
personally
to
the
city
of
Boulder.
That
may
be
restricted
in
it
in
a
sense,
yeah.
D
A
I
would
really
I
almost
feel
like
we
don't
answer
this
yet
with
us,
and
we
see
if
we
can
get
it
through.
The
housing
like
planning
does
because
to
me
you
guys
would
be
there's
so
much
happening
under
housing,
and
it's
such
a
big
issue
for
Boulder.
It
seems
like
that
form
of
communication
and
putting
something
out
would
make
sense.
A
A
E
C
So
the
quarterly
newsletter
I
mean
whatever
you
guys,
decide
or
sign.
I
really
don't
care,
but
just
so
you
know,
informational
e
we've
been
collecting
names
of
all
the
people
who
have
emailed
us,
and
we
were
thinking
of
besides
posting
it
on
next
door,
whatever
a
link
to
it
of
actually
emailing
all
the
people
who
we
already
have
to
start
to
try
and
build
our
own
email
list,
as
those
would
be
people
who'd
be
most
naturally
interested
in
us,
so
I
think
getting
on
a
city
website
is
fine.
C
A
That
begs
another
question
is
who
is
managing
this
email
list
and
who
has
ownership
of
it
because
that
to
me
seems
like
it
brings
up
some
stuff
too
mm-hm
like
what
well
I
know
that
in
the
very
beginning
of
our
board,
we
were
getting
inundated
with
I,
wouldn't
I.
Guess
it's
not
trolling,
but
Robo
emails
that
were
coming
out
and
I
think
that
if
we're
going
to
ask
people
to
leave
their
emails
with
us,
it
should
be
something
that's
kept
with
the
city
and
not
us
as
individual
order
members.
So.
D
A
A
H
M
I'm
thinking
you
know,
the
housing
the
Planning
Department
is
on
the
list
of
city
people
who
enrolls
letters
that
you
can
subscribe
to.
You
can
get
a
newsletter
on
whatever
you're
interested
in
in
the
city
of
Boulder
Louis
that
list,
except
for
housing
and
housing.
The
webpage
has
got
so
much
interesting
information,
I
mean
I'm.
Almost
thinking,
if
you
did
do
a
newsletter,
I'd
remove
the
quarterly
remove
that.
M
But
if
you
did
do
on
both
quarterly
opinion
pieces
and
newsletters,
they
kind
of
be
as
needed,
but
if
you
did
do
a
newsletter,
how
about
starting
off
with
some
of
the
things
that
are
on
the
webpage?
I
mean
the
affordable
housing
data
dashboard
is
fabulous
and
to
do
something
that
highlights
that
it's
real
easy
pick.
This
piece
you
put
it
on.
Maybe
you
have
a
couple
of
things
that
you
want
to
highlight
and
the
goal
would
be
to
educate
the
public
to
what's
out
there.
I
mean
people
have
said.
M
Oh,
we
approve
so
many
single-family
homes.
Well,
guess
what
we
actually
don't!
You
can
see
how
many
units,
and
what
type
every
year
that
have
been
approved,
etc,
etc,
and
then
the
bolder
housing
action
plan
I
mean
I'm,
just
kind
of
looking
down
it
all
the
good
stuff.
On
this
website.
It
is
a
little
bit
harder
to
find
all
your
different
committees
and
when
they
meet
that's
a
little
bit
harder
but
and
then
hab
has
their
own
websites.
So
it
seems
like
there
be
a
lot
of
information
to
just
get
out
to
the
community.
M
H
Seems
to
me
that
there's
a
need
to
kind
of
sit
down
and
with
the
communication
staff
and
think
through
a
communication
strategy
yeah
that
can
see
to
what
extent
what
is
already
in
place
could
be
used
to
what
extent
there's
something
new
that's
necessary.
How
does
a
lack
of
a
better
word
kind
of
editorial
control
work
in
that
situation?
H
You
know
you
I'm
hearing
a
mixed
set
of
potential
content
sources
of
content
for
communication
to
the
community,
about
housing
issues,
some
being
specific
to
what
have
is
doing
some
not
and
I,
don't
have
the
answers
for
what
the
best
practices
would
be,
but
our
communication
staff
would
be
better
suited
to
help
with
that.
So.
D
C
D
That's
that's
what
I
like
for
the
tagging
or
for
the
next
action
item
on
that
list.
We're
gonna
leave
that,
as
is,
and
I
want
to
move
down
to
go
back
up.
Jeff.
Sorry,
we're
still
on
that.
One
goal
move
this
long,
faster
specific
for
public
hearings.
So
here
we
came
up
with
different
engagement
levels.
Based
on
how
big
the
issue
is
that
we're
dealing
with
so
that
first
level
of
engagement,
it's
just
staff,
saying:
hey!
Here's!
Here's
what's
happening
on
our
list.
It's
what
happens
every
single
time
right.
Second
level
of
engagement.
D
We
would
want
one
of
those
letters
to
the
editor
and
if
we
have
stakeholders
that
have
emailed
us
in
the
past,
we'd
want
to.
Let
them
know
that
something
regarding
what
they're
interested
in
is
going
to
be
happening.
Much
like
the
affordable
housing
resident
concerns
email
that
we're
going
to
talk
about
right
after
this.
That
third
level
is
add.
Staff
to
us
try
to
get
us
on
be
heard,
bolder
for.
C
D
A
H
So
I'm
not
sure
what
level
of
availability
there
is
to
modify
that
it's
going
to
depend
on
the
project.
In
many
cases,
you'll
be
working
on
the
projects
a
community
benefit.
If
it
comes
to
you,
that's
going
to
have
us
an
involved
approach
to
letting
people
know
already,
so
you
might
want
to
think
about
what
you're
trying
to
accomplish
and
how
you
would
work
with
project
staff
to
understand
what
they're
trying
to
do
and
integrate
any
additional
components
that
you
are
interested
in
I.
Absolutely.
D
Hear
you
there,
but
this
is
also
for
like
the
affordable
resident
housing
concerns.
That's
one
where
it's
not
on
anyone's
agenda.
We
are
holding
the
public
hearing.
So
it's
up
to
us
what
our
level
of
engagement
is
going
to
e
and
up
to
staffs
availability.
Obviously
we're
not
going
to.
We
can't
compel
you
to
do
anything
so
we're
just
going
to
ask
real
nice
if
we
find
it
to
be
a
third
level
of
importance.
D
C
A
G
D
A
So
my
thoughts
when
I
see
these
to
me:
they're
great
ideas
and
suggestions,
but
or
and
when
I
go
to
looking
at
marketing
strategies.
I
look
at
what
the
initiative
is
first,
so
if
our
initiative
is
that
we
want
to
reach
the
Latino
population
and
we're
gonna
go
a
tendon
event
and
set
up
a
booth
or
something
like
that.
So
to
me,
every
strategy
is
different
based
on
the
initiative
and
what
we're
trying
to
attach
so
I.
Look
at
these
a
night
and
I'm
like
the
I
love
the
goal.
D
In
regard
to
this,
this
is
totally
a
broad
goal
and
we
would
have
to
tailor
each
one
to
the
specific
group
or
trying
to
outreach,
but
I
wanted
this
in
there
in
there
just
at
least
the
goal
so
that
it's
essentially
it
leaves
the
door
open
for
us
to
do
things
like
we
discussed,
maybe
a
panel
hearing
when
we
have
like
a
light,
a
light
agenda.
So
that
would
just
you
know,
it's
just
put
it
out
there
that
we
can.
We
could
do
these
types
of
things
as
a
group
and.
A
So
much
more
I
mean
I,
think
of
strategies
of
the
farmers
market,
and
you
know
there's
so
many
different
fun
opportunities,
especially
like
when
events
set
up
like
when
Ray
back
had
their
meeting.
It
would
have
been
great
if
we
would
have
had
a
table
or
brochures
or
something
to
get
people
information.
You
know
if
we
were
organized
enough
in
front
of
that,
or
something
like
that.
You
know
again
identifying
and
looking
at
what
the
opportunities
are
and
then
looking
at.
How
can
we
reach
the
people
that
are
there
so.
A
That
begs
the
question
in
process
again:
do
we
want
to
go
back
and
put
the
first
goal
in
as
a
motion
and
adopt
create
clear,
efficient,
accessible
communication
process
and
material
to
share
information
about
the
board,
how
it
operates
and
upcoming
decisions,
so
I
think
as
a
committee
we
can
adopt
these
goals
and
leave
off
the
specific
strategies.
So
we
get
to
the
point
where
we
have
identified
something
we
want
to
do
something
about.
Does
that
feel.
C
C
For
one
thing,
if
something
comes
up
that
we
want
to
have
a
public
hearing
comes
up
before
we
get,
this
decided
where
we
want
to
have
which
we've
discussed
at
lots
and
lots
of
meetings
that
we
want
to
have
some
form
of
conversation.
That's
not
just
people
putting
out
their
complaints
into
the
universe,
but
people
actually
trying
to
find
common
ground.
That
would
be
the
first.
The
first
strategy
and
the
one
above
is
that
something
then
we
would
need
to
bring
way
ahead
of
time
and
get
that
voted
on.
Specifically.
Yes,.
B
I
think
so
yeah
I
mean
for
me.
I
would
love
to
see
yeah
the
outreach
one
or
two
board
members
trying
to
I.
Don't
know
how
often
is
reasonable
but
I'm
like
God
once
a
month
you
know
whatever,
but
to
get
out
into
the
community,
get
out
from
behind
this
and
just
sit
down
and
talk
to
these
people,
like
I,
would
like
to
have
had
a
discussion
with
the
people
who
were
here
tonight
and
I.
Think
that's
gonna
be
incredibly
valuable
to
us
to
put
together
a
good
record
and.
A
H
D
A
B
This
takes
me
back
to
goal
one
and
this
quarterly
update,
essentially
which,
because
if
it
is
have
right,
part
of
me
says
well
I'd.
You
know
I'd
like
to
highlight
the
accomplishments
that
the
community,
meaning
council,
has
actually
accomplished
around
these
things.
But
if
we're
talking
about
have
here
that
might
be
anyway,
if
we're
talking
about
hab,
then
to
me
that
takes
that
right
back
to
that
newsletter.
Piece
like
this
is
to
me
essentially
a
piece
of
that
first
goal
in
that
first
newsletter,
but
it's
okay
as
a
standalone.
D
The
I
think
the
thing
to
focus
on
here
is
the
quantitative
and
qualitative
progress
points
so
like
at
the
end
of
the
last
year.
You
asked
how
much
engagement
that
we
actually
get.
You
know
and
that's
sort
of
a
baseline
measure
of
our
successes.
Are
we
in
fact
getting
more
community
members
to
speak
to
us
and
share
their
their
housing?
You
know
concerns
or
anything
about
housing
really,
so
that
that's
just
where
this
was
kind
of
leaning
towards
the
accomplishments.
D
Bird
I
also
have
a
little
bit
of
confusion
about
this
one
we
actually
stole
from
from
them
from
staff
when
we
originally
talked
about
this,
but
we
want
to
show
to
some
degree
like
hey.
You
know
this
board
is
worth
having
because
we're
providing
some
sort
of
benefit
to
the
community
and
we
just
want
to
find
a
way.
This
is
where
your
input
comes
in
as
to
how
we
can
do
that
and
make
sure
we're
assessing
ourselves
and
decide
if
we're
actually
doing
a
good
job.
Yeah
go.
C
Ahead,
I
think
I
also
just
want
to
add
that
this
was
something
that
the
city
suggested,
that
Brenda
and
Sarah
suggested,
and
that
we've
talked
a
lot
about
about
having
a
feedback
loop,
and
this
is
one
way
of
us
assessing
whether
we're
going
in
the
right
direction
and
what
we
can
do
to
enhance
that.
If
we're
not
increasing
as
much
as
we'd
like
I,.
A
Love
feedback,
loops
and
I
agree,
but
this
begs
the
question
or
end.
This
begs
the
question
that
we
then
have
to
set
goals
at
the
beginning
of
the
year
and
we
have
to
say,
because
if
we're
gonna
quantify
and
qualitative
progress
on
something,
then
we
have
to
define
what
we're
quantifying
and
qualifying.
So
that
means
that
in
the
beginning
of
the
year
we
would
have
to
agree
kind
of
like
what
City
Council's
doing,
which
we
already
know
we're
following
the
work
plan
so
for
following
the
work
plan,
and
they
say
they
have
these.
A
S
A
D
C
So
far,
Zack
could
pull
up
two
things
for
us
right.
He
could
pull
up
how
many
people
visited
our
website
and
how
many
people
attended
meetings
or
something
like
that
watched
YouTube
watched
YouTube.
So
we
can
do
that.
We
can
also
count
how
many
people
attend
our
meetings
and,
starting
with
this
one
you
know,
and
in
that
quarry,
but
we
certainly
can.
C
M
Know,
I
I
think
it's
a
lot
more
interesting.
Actually,
at
some
point,
are
you
going
to
evaluate
the
hab,
Housing
Board
goals
and
a
lot
of
things
fit
under
this?
Maybe
it's
an
end-of-the-year
kind
of
report
and
then
the
other
is
the
work
plan.
Cuz
they're,
you
know
the
the
planning
work
plan
is
super
loaded
this
year
your
work
plan,
which
is
beautiful,
the
housing
work
plan
I,
was
just
scrolling
around
it
all
the
stuff
you
have
available
if
very
loaded,
and
then
you
know
those
are
that's.
M
When
I
look
at
I
understand
the
community
engagement
gold,
but
at
some
point
it
would
be
nice
to
actually
tick
down.
You
know
and
be
able
to
list
all
of
this
as
a
year-end.
Maybe
it's
your
attachment
to
your
to
the
next
letter
to
the
City
Council,
the
annual
letter
you
have
all
of
these
things
that
you
were
engaged
in
I,
don't
know!
That's
out
wordy.
M
A
Can
I
propose
that
it
seems
like
we're,
not
clear
right
and
that
we're
hitting
on
a
few
different
things?
So
maybe,
since
we
kind
of
have
that
gap
next
next
meeting
as
well
as
that,
it
gives
us
a
time
to
pause
relook
at
what
we
just
talked
about
and
maybe
putting
like
people,
could
shoot
up
some
ideas
to
Corey
or
something
like
that
of.
A
A
A
A
The
board
to
have
goals
or
not,
where
are
our
goals,
just
the
city
goals,
and-
and
we
just
focus
on
the
committee
to
me-
Eileen,
even
while
it's
coming
out
of
my
mouth,
that
we
have
scope
and
goals
and
a
feedback
loop
on
our
committees,
but
that
our
have
as
a
whole
is
following.
The
city
work
plan
and
our
goals
are
their
goals.
B
Yeah
I
mean
I
again
the
lens
of
this.
For
me,
what
you've
presented
is
the
community
engagement
committee
piece
and
so
from
that
perspective,
I
think
that
this
is
kind
of
necessary
and
a
valuable
piece
of
of
having
a
committee
and
understanding
what
the
communities
are
there
for
and
how
they're
performing.
B
So
it
makes
perfect
sense
to
me,
as
it
sits
the
discussion
about
hab
as
a
board
and
if
we
want
to
say
community
housing
goals
which
brings
council
into
it,
I
think
those
are
actually
two
valuable
spaces
for
us
to
also
look
at
it
and
say:
how
are
we
doing?
How
are
we
progressing
on
housing,
but
there
are
different
discussion
than
this
one
right
now,
so
can.
J
A
C
Yeah
so
I
was
we
met
year
late,
because
that's
where
we
said
this
is
for
two
nineteen
at
2019.
These
are
the
goals
for
2019,
so
we'd
be
collecting
the
goals
after
2019
ends.
We
would
a
stack,
but
what
I
I'm
wondering
if
we
couldn't
just
have
a
straw
vote
to
see
how
many
people
are
predisposed
to
vote
for
all
the
goals
without
this
potential
strategies,
just
the
goals
themselves,
like
okay,.
A
So
who
would
vote
yes
for
just
a
straw
poll?
If
we
for
adoption
of
all
three
goals,
M&A
I,
don't
think,
there's
enough
clarity
and
my
personal
is
that
it
I
think
we
could
drop
off
the
last
goal,
condense
the
to
the
two
goals
and
create
one
mission
statement,
scoped
it
and
put
strategy
or
put
the
timelines
who?
What?
Where
does
that
make
sense?
Yeah.
B
That's
that's
one
piece
for
me,
so
I
can
say:
yeah
I
can
vote
for
that.
I
also
agree.
I
think
we
could
consolidate
three
into
into
one,
but
you
know
this
piece
and
then
what
I
think
the
next
step
of
that
is
saying.
Okay,
these
are
our
goals.
Now,
how
are
we
going
to
do
this
quantitative
and
qualitative
analysis
of
what's
going
on
and
how
are
we
gonna
scope
and
manage
it
so.
C
Okay,
so
I'm
feeling
those
are
things
we
can
work
on
and
those
would
be
the
next
steps
that
Adam
would
do.
But
since
there
were
four
people
who,
in
a
straw
poll,
were
interested
in
accepting
the
three
goals,
I
move
that
we
accept
just
the
three
goals.
With
with
the
word
changes
that
you
suggested
for
clarification.
D
Definitely
open
to
consolidation.
I
just
feel
like
we
already
have
the
basis
of
what
we're
looking
for
here.
So
we
can
just
pass
them
and
do
some
wordsmithing.
We
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
doing
our
jobs
that
the
committee
is
there
for
the
purpose
and
that
we
have
some
guiding
principles,
which
is
what
I
feel
like
this
is.
Did.
A
D
H
A
That,
and
maybe
we
don't
want
to
go
as
strict
his
emotion,
then,
because
what
they're
saying
is
adopting
all
three
goals
and
that
Adam
feels
look
comfortable,
that
he
gets,
that
we
could
the
next
step
being
convincing
them
down.
Editing,
tighting
him
up
and
putting
the
scope
on
him
with
a
date
that.
H
C
And
that
actually
I
I
don't
want
to
promise
to
consolidate
them.
I
I,
like
the
three
goals
and
and
four
people
seem
to
like
them,
and
we
certainly
don't
have
the
potential
strategies
it
needed.
A
few
words
I
think
to
clarify
and
the
big
clarification
was
to
highlight
accomplishments
and
share
both
qualitative
and
quantitative
process
related
to
Habs
engagement
committee.
Okay,.
A
A
C
J
G
D
I'm
gonna
make
this,
hopefully
a
lot
shorter
than
this
last
one,
because
I
I
think
the
other
agenda
items
are
far
more
interesting
to
discuss.
Affordable
housing
resident
concerns.
We
discussed
with
Jeff
a
little
bit
about
scope
and
what's
coming
up
that,
might
be
beneficial
to
lump
into
this.
So
originally
we
have
the
affordable,
housing
and
resident
concerns
public
hearing
scheduled
for
the
February
meeting.
D
D
The
affordable
know:
what
is
it
ownership
issue
that
came
up
recently,
so
we
want
to
make
sure
we
get
that
feedback
and
that
information
in
house
before
we
hear
from
everybody
also,
we
think
it's
important
to
sort
of
rebrand
it
and
from
resident
concerns
to
a
much
more
inclusive,
tell
us
about
your
experience
as
an
affordable,
housing
resident
or
an
affordable
housing
owner
that
way
we
want
the
good
in
the
bad.
You
know
we
put
a
lot
of
effort
into
talking
about
increasing
the
amount
of
fordable
housing
in
Boulder.
D
We're
gonna
put
in
a
whole
lot
of
time
a
whole
lot
of
money.
A
lot
of
effort
is
staff
and
city
to
make
that
goal
happen.
So
why
not
take
this
a
little
bit
of
time?
We
have
here
assess
make
sure
that
it's
going
correctly
and
then
you
know
hear
from
the
public
about
all
the
goods
all
the
beds
and
go
forward
with
all
that
additional
information.
So
that's
sort
of
our
proposal
tweak
it
away
from
concerns
and
more
to
tell
us
about
your
affordable
housing
experience.
Have
it
on
April
24th
for
the
public
hearing.
C
Yes,
I
just
want
to
add
one
thing
in
the
meeting.
Jeff
said
something
that
was
really
cool.
I
thought
that
it
tell
me
if
I'm
corrected
this,
that
the
city
is
forwarding
the
60-day
notice
or
price
increases,
so
that
will
be
happening.
That
was
one
of
the
things
we
were
very
interested
in
as
a
board,
so.
E
D
Final
thing,
I'll
say
that
I
forgot
this
had
also
really
provide
the
rental
providers
to
come
in
to
that's
another
group.
We
really
want
to
hear
from
not
just
the
residents,
but
the
providers
themselves
because
they're
a
huge
part
of
creating
more
affordable
housing
in
the
community
as
well
and
managing
that
affordable
housing.
So
that
would
be
the
other
group
that
we'd
want
to
invite
and
get
into
this
April
24th
meeting.
So
an
all-inclusive
sort
of
Jamboree
of
affordable
housing,
stuff.
M
H
Of
the
rental
providers
have
various
mechanisms
for
people
to
get
involved,
not
all
of
them.
There
are,
of
course
the
HOA
is
that
the
affordable
owners
are
typically
part
of,
but
I
I
think
it
would
be
pretty
clear
that
this
is
something
completely
different.
Yeah
I
mean
I,
think
being
clear
on
the
messaging
about
what
it
is
is
as
for
any
event
is
important,
so
people
can
judge
whether
they
want
to
attend
and
participate
all.
D
D
A
G
D
Last
part
of
this
is
formatting
of
letters,
so
we
submitted
this
this
letter.
You
have
in
front
of
you
for
the
affordable
housing
resident
concerns.
We're
not
talking
about
content
right
now,
and
we
got
to
go
through
that
again
now
that
we've
sort
of
pivoted
the
intent
of
it
but
Mason
came
up
with
the
who.
What
when,
where
why
model?
And
we
wanted
to
discuss
as
a
board,
what
felt
better
for
getting
it
sort
of
out
to
the
community
I
don't
want
to.
D
C
F
F
M
M
Some
affordable
housing
residents
brought
up
their
concerns
to
the
public
in
the
public
comment,
blah
blah
blah,
and
so
that
is,
is
that
your
goal
to
hear
from
the
HOA
and
these
people,
because
then
the
second
one
was
shorter,
but
it
wasn't
clear
that
the
meeting
was
going
to
be
targeted
to
the
residents,
concerns
that
the
people
that
live
there
or
the
HOAs
or
everything
it's
it
read
to
me
like
it
was
more
open-ended
another
discussion
on
housing
issues,
I
love
it
that
it
ended,
come
and
have
us.
This
is
your
opportunity.
M
They
have
a
seat
at
the
table.
Things
like
that,
but
I
I
mean
read
them
again.
It
sounded
like
the
the
shorter
word
count
was
an
open-ended
meaning
and
the
longer
one
took
a
little
bit
longer
to
get
to
exactly
why
the
meeting
was
being
held.
But
it's
very
clear-
and
you
know
you
even
talked
about
getting
the
survey
in
and
I
mean
you
don't
need
to
put
that,
but
it's
a
different
meeting.
Then
you
know
and
the
general
public
to
share
any
observations,
ideas
and
solutions
again.
D
Don't
get
too
caught
up
on
Kahn
because
we
gotta
go
through
that
whole
process.
Again,
mostly
we're
talking
about
formatting.
So
do
you
prefer
it
a
little
longer
and
a
little?
You
know
we're
talking
to
the
the
person
or
do
you
want
just
the
fax
type
of
thing
is
what
we're
discussing
right
now,
I
think.
F
What
do
you?
What
do
we
want
to
happen
as
a
result
of
the
letter,
and,
ultimately
you
want
the
people
to
come
here
and
show
up
mm-hmm
and
I.
Think
that
I,
like
the
crisper,
said
that
that
who,
what
why
kind
of
does
that
you
kind
of
gets
right
to
the
point
with
with
the
seat
at
the
table?
Peace?
Yes,
what
kind
of
compelling
emotionally
engaging
pieces
to
drive
that?
Maybe
that
maybe
that's
why
that
jumped
off
of
me
that
way.
A
Me
personally,
I
always
I,
always
liked
things,
succinct,
clear
brevity,
because
I
think
sometimes
we
get
lost
in
an
inertia
or
people
are
busy
and-
and
we
read
and
if
Judy's
letter
absolutely
speaks
to
some
people.
My
letter
absolutely
speaks
to
somebody
I
think
that
the
question
is
is
what
would
we
like
to
adopt
as
a
format?
Do
we
want
to
go
softer?
C
F
H
B
Like
if
I
imagine
this
letter
to
the
editor,
I
actually
moved
to
the
chattier
side
of
things
a
little
bit
and
I.
Do
also
feel,
though,
that
there's
a
space
for
this,
and
there
are
other
venues
even
more
direct
more
to
the
point
that
are
informational
about
you
know
very
specific
I
feel
like
if
I'm
sitting
down
and
reading
the
paper
and
I
have
time
to
get
to
the
letters
to
the
editor
I'm,
actually
looking
for
a
little
bit
of
feel
in
it.
So
I
I
appreciate
actually
that
structure
for
that
format.
Why.
F
A
Respond
differently
yeah,
absolutely,
and
for
me
it
was
it
was.
That
is
like
that's.
Why
I
sent
this
back
on
a
process
note
out
to
everybody
is
like
that's
where
and
Adam
and
I
were
talking
about
it
this
morning.
It
wasn't
about
the
content,
it's
about.
How
do
we
want
the
board
records
the
public
when
we
put
these
things
out
and
what's
the
format?
A
That
would
be
something
that
we
agreed
to
and
consistent
and
moving
forward,
and
if
we
want
to
say
as
a
board
that
there
is
no
format
and
we
just
want
to
make
it
up
every
time
we
can
say
that
as
well,
but
I
thought
I
think
every
time,
because
we're
a
new
board
and
every
time
we
do
these,
we
have
to
decide
because
we're
not
all
going
to
be
on
this
for
the
rest
of
our
lives,
so
I
know
right
shocking.
It
is
shocking
feels.
A
So
trying
to
decide
when,
by
every
time
we
make
a
vote
and
every
time
we
do
something
like
this
is:
what
is
the
process
that
we
want
to
have
so
be
cognizant
of
that
and
for
me,
when
I
read,
it
I
shot
back
with
this
piece
because
again
I
think
it
just
opens
up
that
conversation
and
that's
why
I
said
it's
an
example:
let's
have
a
dialogue.
How
do
we
want
to
be
represented
while
we're
out
there
I
find.
F
Sometimes,
when
you
write
joint
letters,
the
voice
gets
lost
mm-hmm.
If
you
do
that
so
I
wanna
see
that
I
can
see
your
voice
here.
I
can
see
Judy's
voice
here
and
it's
a
very
genuine
aspect
of
that
voice
and
having
multiple
documents
isn't
really
wrong,
because
that
repetition
we
know
in
marketing
it
works.
It
takes
all
those.
A
M
M
J
M
Get
to
the
point
of
making
sure
the
purpose
of
the
meeting
what
it
is
or
you're
going
to
be
disappointing
people,
because
they're
gonna
be
coming
thinking,
we're
gonna
generally
talk
about
affordable
housing
and
it's
a
specific,
targeted
group
like
our
concerns.
I
guess
I
should
say
that
you
want
input
on
and
to
understand
more
fully.
Thank
you.
I'd.
C
Like
to
add,
I
had
a
another
audience
in
mind,
besides
people
who
just
read
letters
to
the
editor
when
we
worked
on
it
and
that's
that
I'm
not
sure
if
council
knows
about
this
and
I,
don't
want
them
to
feel
preempted
or
that
we're
bringing
these
ideas
to
Council
and
so
I
provided
a
little
more
information
there,
because
I
wanted
them
to
feel
at
ease
about
it,
rather
than
just
write
a
letter
to
the
editor
that
they
go.
What's
this
they're
doing
then
write
a.
J
M
B
B
A
M
A
M
They
get
a
little
bit
confused,
I
mean
not
not
that
they
get
confused,
I
mean
I
was
a
council
member
and
if
it
comes
from
the
whole
board-
and
it
says
we
just
want
to
inform
you
that
we're
going
to
have
this
meeting
and
then
you
can
even
put
in
the
piece
that
Jeff
had
mentioned
there
be
a
survey
that
will
be
back.
That
will,
you
know,
help
inform
this,
and
you
know
this
was
important.
We
heard
from
I
believe
at
two
separate
meetings
we
heard
from
residents.
G
E
C
N
M
City
Council
said:
if
there
ever
any
issues
that
you
want
to
bring
up
to
us
or
information.
Please
feel
free
to
contact,
tectus,
well,
I'm
planning
board.
We
give
a
ton
of
recommendations
on
legislative
things
and
then
we
make
formal
approvals
of
site
reviews
and
use
reviews,
so
we
kind
of
communicate
with
them
a
lot
but
I.
The
only
letter
I
think
we've
sent
is
the
end-of-year
letter
but
I.
Think
in
this
case
you
do
you
don't
want
to
catch
them
by
surprise.
You
want
to
give
them
the
information
you've
heard
this
etc.
B
When
we
choose
to
do
that,
then
it
seems
to
me
like
we
want
to
assess
your
concern.
Is
that
we're
taking
council
by
surprise
somehow
or
getting
in
front
of
them
which
they
don't
want
us
to
do
or
they
do?
But
we,
if
we
feel
like
we're
doing
that
or
we
have
a
concern
that
we're
doing
that,
then
maybe
with
each
individual-
and
we
say
you
know
what
we
feel
as
a
board
with
this
engagement
with
the
community.
We
should,
let
council
know
give
them
a
heads
up
that
this
is
what
we're
doing.
B
This
is
why
we're
doing
it-
and
this
is
what
the
returned
feedback
is
gonna,
be
for
them
and
for
us
from
this
process
and
a
rationale
for
it.
But
I
don't
know
that
it
needs
to
be
something
that
we're
doing
every
time
necessarily
so
it
almost
seems
like
it's
a
it's
as
we
choose
to
move
forward
on
something
we
just
do
it
and
we
say:
okay
yeah.
We
we
should.
Let
council
know
about
this,
so.
A
F
The
question
is:
is
there
any
reason
not
to
inform
Council
on
that
and
there's
not
a
risk
of
I,
don't
think
of
over
communication,
and
why
not
it's
a
it's
a
brief
message
and
communication,
that's
valid
and
respectful,
and
did
that
it
certainly
would
avoid
anyone
feeling
like
why
didn't
we
know
or
I
wish
we
would
have
known
or
I
didn't
want
to
find
out
that
way.
So.
M
We
know
so,
let
me
just
say
when
Judy,
when
we
were
talking
about
Judy's
letter
and
why
she
puts
so
much
of
this
background
in
and
she
said,
I
didn't
want
to
catch
council
by
surprise
and
then
I
said.
Well,
then,
just
let
them
know
what
you're
doing
period
just
send
them
a
little
heads-up
we're
having
a
meeting.
We
heard
this
at
our
first
couple
of
have
meetings
that
this
was
a
an
issue
for.
A
Residents,
okay,
so
we
have
two
different
issues.
Can
let's
deal
with
these
two
letters?
First,
and
then
we
can
talk
about
or
what
I
hear
we're
saying
is
that,
with
these
two
different
type,
letters
we're
going
to
kind
of
table
it
and
we'll
go
initiative
to
initiative
through
engagement?
Is
that
what
everybody
else
is
understanding
it
to
be
yeah.
D
M
Gonna,
do
that
exactly
great
and
I,
don't
I
mean
personally
I,
don't
think
you
need
to
decide
on
which
way.
Once
you
decide
on
who
your
audience
is
for
the
daily
camera
piece,
then
you
just
take
out
all
the
rest
of
it,
and
you
know
when
you
trim
it
down
I.
Actually,
when
I
read
letters
to
editors,
300
words
is
a
lot,
and
so,
if
you
take
out
all
this
extra
background,
you're
almost
there
quite
frankly,
you've
scaled
it
down
quite
a
bit.
M
C
Let
them
know
ahead
of
time
that
we're
planning
this
and
I'll
volunteer
to
write
a
draft
and
have
Jeff
give
me
feedback
on
it,
so
that
it
seems
appropriate
for
consult
and
then
he
can
put
it
out
to
have
so
everyone
can
give
their
feedback
and
then
we
could
send
it
and
it
sounds
like
we
should
send
it
as
a
board
seemed
to
be
the
consensus,
maybe
I'm
wrong
on
that.
I
just
wanted
to
have
an
action
step
yeah.
C
D
M
G
J
A
U
H
So
there's
there's
two
separate
components
to
this.
I'd
say
one
is
just
scheduling
meetings.
If
we
have
the
fourth
Wednesday
of
every
month,
it's
currently
scheduled.
Well,
there
are
at
least
three:
there
are
two
holiday
conflicts
and
one
spring
break
conflict
that
you
might
want
to
sitter,
as
well
as
whether
you
want
a
summer
recess
which
some
boards
take.
H
The
in
order.
I
think
the
March
meeting
is
in
the
middle
of
Cu
and
Boulder
Valley
School
District
Spring
Break,
which
I
noticed
when
we
were
looking
at
a
vacation
and
Jacques
and
I
were
talking
and
came
up
there
too.
So
we
thought
we'd
better
check
in
on
that,
and
then
the
November
and
December
meetings
are
smack-dab
holiday.
You
know
day
before,
Thanksgiving
is
probably
not
when
you'd
want
to
meet.
So
we,
if
you
want
to
meet
that
month,
we
should
probably
reschedule
it
and
then
the
fourth
in
December
is
on
top
of
Christmas.
So.
G
H
A
H
Well,
I
mean
if
you
want
it,
we
will
certainly
staff
at
whether
it's
me
or
someone
else.
If
it's
during
spring
break,
don't
worry
about
that.
I
just
thought.
If
the
rest
of
you,
if
other
people
are
having
issues
around
that,
you
aren't
gonna
have
a
quorum,
we
definitely
can't
have
a
meeting
or,
if
you'd,
rather
so,
just
that's
why
I
brought
it
up.
I
would.
F
F
D
A
H
A
C
D
K
H
C
H
M
H
A
Looking
at
some
of
these
business
issues
laying
out
the
year
looking
at
the
work
plan,
there
was
a
multitude
of
things
for
the
retreat
side
of
it,
but
it
kind
of-
and
you
guys
correct
me
Jeff
and
Adam,
now
that
we
potentially
so
right
now,
because
City
Council
doesn't
have
their
work
plan
put
out.
We
literally
kind
of
don't
have
anything
for
February
March
right
now,
so
we
were
thinking
about
maybe
creating
our
February
meeting
or
our
March
meeting
into
study
session.
Is
that
what
we'd
say
or
or
well,
we
talked
about?
A
We
brainstormed
really
really
really
quick
right
before
this
meeting,
and
we
were
talking
about
it
might
be
cool
to
do
some
fun
engagement
as
well
as
like.
If
in
February
we
decided
to
use
our
meeting
time
got
pizzas.
Put
a
square
out
here
and
said:
come
have
conversations
with
have
something
along
those
lines.
I.
B
D
M
Know
one
of
the
things
that
I'd
suggest
is:
maybe
you
have
a
discussion
around
some
of
the
issues,
the
youth
tables
community
benefit
and
sub
community
plan?
You
know
the
planners
will
be
coming
in
to
talk
to
you
about
it,
but
to
get
maybe
some
of
your
ideas
where
you
can
you
know
if
you
look
at
the
council
goals,
how
can
you
leverage,
affordable
housing
and
these
different
areas
that
planning
is,
is
looking
at
and
I,
don't
know
if
Brian
would
be
willing
to
do
it,
but
maybe
Brian
and
I
could
both
be.
M
B
Q
M
I
can
ask
the
two
staff
people
Andrew
and
Carl
Guyler,
who
are
heading
up
the
Youth
tables,
I'm,
sure,
they're
kind
of
recalibrating.
Everything
right
now,
based
on
count
both
input.
They
had
a
nice
community
outreach
plan,
but
there's
a
lot
of
information
that
you
can
just
read
to
become
informed
and
then
have
a
discussion
so.
A
Would
it
be
possible
to
say,
since
we're
running
along
we've
got
February,
27th
and
March
27th?
Would
everybody
feel
comfortable,
so
February
27th?
We
have
to
have
the
agenda
the
week
before
right,
and
so
we
will
set
our
agenda
making
and
if
everybody
could
get
their
ideas
of
what
they'd
like
to
see
have
happened
with
these
two
meetings.
A
A
C
A
J
H
C
I
was
just
wanting
to
know
if
there
was
an
interest
in
having
a
separate
retreat
to
really
get
to
know
each
other
and
hear
what
I
have
to
say.
I,
don't
really
know
what
most
everyone's
really
individual
passions
about
the
housing
board
are
and
to
meet
the
new
people
and
talk
to
them
and
talk
about
housing.
You
know
we
can't
just
meet
I
mean
we
can
always
just
meet
and
socialize,
but
to
really
talk
about
housing.
C
V
J
C
A
H
Often
appointed
by
Council
in
March,
then
there's
the
orientation
and
others
kind
of
getting
on
board,
so
very
unlikely
they,
although
we
moved
them.
If
we
move
the
March
meeting
to
the
20th,
probably
the
April
meeting
and
they
would
start,
but
that
would
be
their
first
meeting.
They
would
start
sooner
than
that
most
likely
could.
C
H
M
Don't
know
since
this
board
has
not
gone
through
appointments
before
I
know,
I'm
planning
board
if
City
Council
appoints
on
the
19th.
Let's
say
because
that
is
that's
one
of
their
business
meetings,
so
they
will
have
interviewed
the
week
before,
but
if
they
appoint
on
the
19th,
we
have
a
planning
board
meeting
on
oh
I'm,
looking
at
February,
well
March.
What
if
they
appoint
on
the
12th
and
planning
board,
has
a
meeting
that
following
Thursday,
that
person
will
be
seated
and
be
able
to
go
to
that
meeting.
M
H
A
A
F
B
B
B
B
C
So,
unless
there's
new
information
for
Jeff
to
add
from
the
retreat,
there's,
not
okay,
so
what
I
heard
was
that
City
Council
is
not
interested
in
a
very
broad
way
from
all
sorts
of
different
people,
with
all
sorts
of
different
positions
on
council.
That
occupancy
is
not
on
the
table
at
this
time,
except
that
it
sounded
like
tiny
homes
is
to
be
folded
into
manufactured
housing.
It
sounded
like.
Is
there
any
I.
H
C
C
I
didn't
hear
a
kibosh
on
tiny
houses.
No,
but
and-
and
I
did
hear,
there
was
still
interest
in
us
doing
some
a
little
bit
of.
They
definitely
wanted
us
to
follow
the
work
plan.
That
was
the
first
priority,
but
I
did
feel
there
was
still
room
for
engagement,
certainly
and
a
little
bit
of
innovation.
A
Yeah
I,
you
know,
there's
some
things
both
structurally
or
that
you
know
I
mean
Erin's.
First
comments
were
I
think
he
had
three
boards
and
two
of
us.
He
found
our
letters
too
wordy.
He
said
that
they
were
wordy
and
there
was
from
Bob
and
Sam
talking
about
making
sure
that
we
specifically
answered
the
questions
or
that
you
know
broadly
across
the
boards.
A
It
seemed
like
it
would
have
been
cool
if
we
had
a
representative
or
our
chair
at
that
night,
so
that
if
they
had
questions,
we
would
have
been
able
to
say
no.
What
we
meant
was
we
were
trying
to
emphasize
that
we
were
helping
not
and
and
yes,
occupancy
limits.
Our
hot-button
topic,
but
I
also
felt
that
again,
our
overall
intent
was
missed,
which
was
we
have
hot-button
issues.
A
So
I
wasn't
surprised
by
that
at
all,
but
it
goes
back
to
the
process
portion
of
it.
How
can
we
as
a
board
in
our
letters-
and
maybe
this,
is
why
these
letters
come
back
to
me
as
important
is
being
clear
and
concise
and
intent
and
I
think
we
got
lost
in
the
wordiness
and
I
think
we
got
lost
in
the
overall
with
it,
so
I
found
that
feedback
interesting.
A
And,
like
you,
I,
want
to
stress
and
I
think
we
all
feel
this
way.
Is
that
totally
following
the
city's
work
plan,
just
trying
to
add,
if
we
have
the
time
to
see
where
else
we
could
add
but
fully
in
support
of
of
the
work
plan.
So
there
was
a
process
piece
for
me
and
then
there
was
an
intent
piece
and
I
was
like
how
could
we
have
better
communicated
that?
How
could
have
how
could
have
that
process
been
more
supported
or
heard
in
a
way
that
made
a
little
bit
more
sense?
Adam.
K
D
I
I
would
mirror
a
lot
of
the
things
he
said
to
me.
It
felt
like
the
reading
of
the
letters
was
a
little
bit
like
a
game
of
telephone
where
someone
has
to
surmise
it
and
I,
get
that
that's
a
byproduct
of
council
being
incredibly
busy.
They
don't
have
the
time
to
read
every
single
letter
to
every
single
detail
and
then
try
to
extract
the
feeling
that
the
board
that
give
them
the
letter
was
trying
to
come
up
with,
so
they
they
have
to
use
it.
A
more
refined
and
quicker
process.
D
I
totally
understand
that,
but
I
agree
that
the
intent
of
our
letter
was
almost
entirely
lost
and
the
thing
that
stood
out
the
most
to
me
was
are
sort
of
volunteering
ourselves
to
be
researchers
and
to
inform
ourselves
about
topics
that
are
important
to
the
community,
whether
or
not
they
ever
even
hit
council
I.
I
didn't
like
that
part,
especially
because
no
one's
gonna
stop
us
from
researching
no
one's
gonna.
Stop
us
from
learning.
You
know,
topics
that
are
outside
of
councils
work
plan.
D
That's
that's
I,
think
a
very
important
part
of
getting
a
holistic
picture
of
the
issues
surrounding
housing,
not
only
in
Boulder
but
in
the
nation
and
internationally,
like
all
of
that,
is
sort
of
a
requirement
of
being
on
the
board
in
my
mind,
so
to
say
that
we
need
city
staff
to
back
us
up
on
every
piece
of
research.
I
think
is
a
bridge
too
far.
D
So
having
that,
having
said
that,
I
totally
understand
where
counsel
is
coming
from,
you
know:
I
don't
have
any
intent
on
going
on
a
wild,
tangent
or
any,
but,
as
we
saw
tonight,
there's
some
open
spots
on
our
work
done
on
occasion
and
I.
Don't
feel
bad
about
engaging
with
a
community
on
on
those
certain
occasions
to
hear
what
they're
thinking
about
that
might
not
be
directly
on
councils
work
plan
I
think
that's
well
within
the
purview
of
what
we
should
do.
F
Because
it
could
have
gone
the
other
way,
I
know
you
know:
I've
shared
my
view
with
you
that
that
why
not
initially
keep
it
straightforward,
avoid
any
contentiousness
and
and
earn
a
stripe
of.
You
know
credibility
and
confidence
with
council
by
sticking
to
their
work
plan.
They
know
the
other
issues
are
out
there,
but
why
not
go
do
that?
F
Keep
it
real,
straightforward
kind
of
link,
what
we're
doing
with
the
work
plan
and
because
it's
already
been
approved,
it's
you
know
been
voted
on
and
so
forth,
and
what
strikes
me
about
the
letter
I
was
still
felt
a
little
early
on
and
voted
for
it
that
we
adopted,
but
I
did
feel
it
was
a
little
bit
wordy
and
maybe
a
way
as
a
process.
We
could
sidestep
that
and
I
could
see
even
a
little
bit
of
that
this
evening
is
to
draft
a
key
points.
F
Outline
and
those
points
are
stuff
that
we
could
easily
agree
on,
because
they're
pretty
binary
and
then
has
some
one
draft
around
that
and
then
we're
sure
that
we
we
stuck
to
the
points
we
want
to
make
as
we
write
that
so
there
we
would
reduce
the
level
of
ambiguity,
that's
often
contained
in
in
those
letters,
and
that's
left.
You
know
so
there's
less
interpretation
when
people
read
that
and
maybe
find
someone
independently.
My
understanding
is
that
council
doesn't
won't,
typically
read
a
letter
and
respond
to
it.
F
I
mean
they
probably
read
it,
but
they
may
not
respond
to
it
as
a
draft
situation,
but
maybe
we
could
find
someone
else
and
maybe
it
would
be
a
formal
count,
a
former
council
member.
That
would
maybe
be
willing
to
honestly
comment
on
that
or
maybe
not,
but
it
would
be
a
way
to
sort
of
mitigate
the
risk
of
having
that
and
one
thought
and
I
hope
that
compromising
anybody,
but
might
be
too
what
about?
F
M
Know
I
think
Nathan.
You
alluded
to
this
when
you
said
Human,
Relations
Commission
had
brought
up
something
over
several
years
and
that
finally
hit
on
you
know,
council
prop
finally
put
it
on
the
work
program
and
that's
the
same
with
Planning
Board.
We
talked
about
youth
tables
for
five
years.
Four
years,
community
benefit
equally
as
long
and
gifts.
What
they're
all
hitting
and
I'm
gonna
be
off
that
board.
M
A
A
The
holistic
approach
right
to
me
when
I,
deep
dive
into
housing,
I
didn't
just
go.
This
is
all
I'm
doing.
I
went
and
looked
at
everything
locally,
statewide
nationally
to
see
what
was
happening
so
that
my
conversation
and
questions
could
be
informed
and
that
I
was
educated
on
the
piece
of
it.
So
but
there's
a
difference
between
us
researching
and
getting
clear
and
understanding
the
situation
and
the
history
within
the
city
and
us
engaging
with
the
public
and
putting
something
forth.
Those
two
things
are
different.
Well.
B
And
and
I
think
the
thing
is
like
having
something
taken
off
that
we
proposed
I
mean
that's,
why
we
put
it
there?
Yes,
a
thumbs-up,
thumbs-down
and
and
the
concern
that
I
had
was
really
that
somehow
I
felt
like
the
intent
of
our
letter.
Just
was
not
somehow
relayed
and,
and
and
you
know
that
does
come
to
I
suppose
how
we're
forming
that
letter.
B
M
They
they
they
all
individually.
Have
the
letters
in
the
packet
I
always
would
read.
Those
first
I
thought
it
was
really
interesting:
I
love
hearing
from
the
boards
and
the
public.
It
puts
you
in
touch
with
people
that
are
right
on
the
ground,
but
that
was
my
style.
I
can
guarantee
you.
They
all
were
reading
the
letters,
and
you
know
it
was
just
the
way
relative
structured.
The
discussion
we
didn't
do
that,
but
that's
what
they're
doing,
but
the
council
members
thought
things
that
all
their
boards
the
boards
are
important
to
them.
C
So
I
there's
two
thoughts
that
come
to
mind.
One
is
the
attachment
that
we
gave
of
our
report
about
housing
solutions.
I
think
we
should,
in
the
future,
send
any
other
attachments
at
a
different
time
to
council
I.
Think
that's
what
made
it
so
long
that
was
pages
and
pages
and
pages
and
I
think
that's
what
threw
Aaron
off
in
his
report.
C
That
was
just
my
feeling
about
it,
but
I
also
think
that
we
have
a
wonderful
opportunity
in
June,
because
we
did
they
did
say
we
could
write
another
letter
and
we
won't
be
one
of
21
letters
or
whatever.
However
many
there
were
and
I
think
I
think
that
will
be
really
good
or
we
could
really
state
things
in
a
simple,
clear
way.
So
just.
M
The
tip
find
out
when
their
resources,
resources
gonna
be
recess,
do
not
send
it
right
before
the
recess,
because
their
agendas
will
be
loaded
up,
do
not
send
it
when
they
get
back
from
recess.
Send
it
when
they're
in
recess
and
they're
not
gonna,
have
big
packets
to
read
that's
just
a
little
insider
tip,
just
send
it
during
recess,
yeah,
send
it
during
recess
so
get
the
letter,
and
you
know
they
won't
be
reading
big
packets.
A
A
A
Okay,
does
everybody
feel
clear
and
do
we
feel
like
we
said
what
we
needed
to
say
on
that
and
feel
like?
Okay
and
Michael?
You
had
sent
this
out
to
me
for
this
agenda
item
and
then
I
I
got
swamped
with
about
four
days
worth
of
work
and
and
I
missed
whether
or
not
we
and
then
you
had
emailed
back
and
said
you
and
Jeff
talked
about
it.
So
I
don't
know
if
you
still
want
to
touch
on
this
or
do
we
feel
like
we.
F
A
F
M
A
G
A
A
A
C
C
Thing
that
maybe
we
can
put
on
their
trade-
or
maybe
we
can
just
discuss
at
some
other
time-
is
I,
don't
look
at
if
it
goes
past
9
o'clock,
the
problem
we
only
meet
once
a
month
and
I
figured
the
expectation
is
it's
over
when
it's
over
and
so
I,
don't
know
how
other
people
feel
about
it.
Like
I,
don't
start
getting
antsy
at
5
of
9
I
want
to
finish
the
work
we
have
to
do
so.
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
know
if
it'd.
C
E
A
B
A
U
Parris,
oh
my
god,.