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A
A
A
E
Okay,
so
I'm
Lesley,
Pinkham
and
I'm
the
asset
program,
manager
and
I
work
with
the
wonderful
team
in
the
homeownership
program-
and
this
is
Eadie
Birkin
she's
here
with
me
today
and
afterwards.
I'll
have
her
introduce
herself
and
and
we'll
be
taking
questions
at
the
end.
I
wanted
to
explain
what
we
did
we
just
put,
so
we
we
sent
a
lot
of
material
ahead
of
time,
and
so
what
we
decided
to
do
with
this
short
yeah,
sorry
is
just
tell
this
story
of
one
family
who
goes
through
the
program
so.
E
So
this
is,
this
is
not
a
real
family,
it
is
a
real
family
statistics,
but
it
the
name
and
the
picture
have
been
changed,
obviously
for
protection,
so
we
help
people
like
the
Sharma
family,
54,000,
annual
income
from
two
nursing
assistant,
jobs
and
Social
Security,
three
thousand
six
hundred
dollars
in
savings
and
in
need
of
stable
housing
that
they
can
afford
into
the
future.
This
is
a
family
of
two
parents,
two
kids
and
a
64
year
old,
grandparent
social
security.
E
We
don't
know
where
the
social
security
comes
from,
it
could
be
the
grandparent
or
one
of
the
children
in
2017
the
Sharma's
closed
on
one
of
the
cities
permanently
affordable
homes,
three
bedrooms,
two
baths,
1,200
square
feet,
condo,
one
hundred
and
eighty
four
thousand
dollar
sales
price.
One
thousand
five
hundred
and
seventy
dollars
will
be
the
monthly
payment
which
is
thirty,
five
percent
of
their
income,
the
covenant
limits
who
can
buy
the
home
and
how
the
home
can
be
used
and
limits.
The
resale
price
city
staff,
qualified
the
family
and
insured.
E
All
the
requirements
of
the
program
were
followed
during
the
sale,
the
fixed-rate
loan
stabilized
housing
costs
for
the
family.
They
now
have
a
home
of
their
own,
the
stabilizing
effects
of
homeownership,
they're,
granted
and
I'm,
jumping
to
the
thing
I'm.
Sorry
to
tell
me
to
the
next
stable
monthly
payment,
so
the
Sharma's
had
money
saved
but
needed
more
to
cover
the
three
percent
down
payment
required
by
the
bank.
E
A
six
thousand
six
hundred
solution
grant
was
provided
to
cover
the
gap
in
money
that
they
had
and
that
they
needed
to
close
grant
is
not
repaid
at
the
resale
value.
The
home
price
is
reduced
by
the
grant
amount.
This
makes
the
home
more
affordable
for
the
next
buyer.
Grant
funds
come
from
cash
in
lieu
payments
via
the
affordable
housing
fund,
this
okay,
sorry,
the
future
of
the
ship
for
the
Sharma's,
so
they
the
room
for
the
they
have
room
for
the
family
that
they
needed
for
their
family.
E
They
have
shorter
commutes
for
jobs
in
bolder,
stabilized
housing
costs,
no
more
rent
increases
a
community
where
they
can
grow
roots
and
homeownership
as
an
investment.
The
thirty
seven
thousand
two
hundred
dollars
estimated
proceeds
are
based
on
the
appreciation
number
over
the
the
last
five
years.
So
if
they
were
gonna
sell
there
after
five
years
of
owning
it,
that
would
be
the
estimated
proceeds.
E
Additional
programs
that
are
under
the
homeownership
program,
the
housing
legacy
program,
which
is
a
fairly
new
program
in
the
last
two
years.
It
is
residents,
designate
their
homes
to
become
part
of
the
permanently
affordable
program
after
they
die.
We
have
two
homes
so
far,
who
have
two
people
who
have
donated
their
homes
to
this
program,
home
repair,
help
with
health
and
safety
repairs
for
low-income
owners.
Low-Interest
loan
provided
to
pay
costs.
E
And
so
I'm,
sorry,
okay,
so
I
have
some
so
permanently
affordable
and
solutions
grant
are
the
most
popular
programs,
so
I
do
want
to
tell
you
about
the
shared
appreciation
for
the
market
rate
homes
in
Boulder.
That
has
been
less
utilized
in
recent
years
likely
because
the
program
cannot
provide
enough
funds
to
make
it
helpful
for
a
market
rate
home.
It's
fifty
percent
up
to
fifty
thousand
loan
maximum.
E
1500
sound,
like
I,
say
fifty
fifteen
percent
up
to
fifty,
and
this
is
the
team.
So
eighty
irken
and
her
counterpart
Eric
Swanson
are
a
program
outreach.
They
qualify
applicants,
they
manage
sales
Cory,
who
you
all
know
very
well
she's
your
board
secretary.
She
is
our
program.
Information,
distribution,
center
and
Julie
Raymond
does
post
purchase
occupancy
compliance
and
I'm
the
program
manager.
F
So
I'm
available
for
questions,
I'm,
Edie,
Arkin,
I'm,
homeownership
program
coordinator
and
like
Leslie,
said
I,
do
a
lot
of
things:
I
help
folks
qualify
for
the
program,
buy
homes
and
then
I
hope
help
current
owners
get
capital
improvement
credits
added
to
their
home,
refinance
their
homes
and
when
they're,
ready
to
sell
I,
help
them
sell
through
the
program
and
then
also
administer
those
a
couple
of
those
other
programs.
After
our
question
period,
I'll
introduce
our
two
two
of
our
homeownership
committee.
F
B
Sir
yeah
sure
thanks
thank
you
for
presenting
this
and
I
thought.
The
information
was
really
helpful
that
you
sent
to
us
as
well
as
now
and
I
think
that
when
we're
going
to
meetings
with
Jeff
I
think
we
go
by
and
see
some
of
you
working
busily
in
your
office,
but
I
have
two
questions
and
one
of
the
first
one
has
a
couple
parts.
Even
the
program
is
it
to
low
income
only
or
is
it
low
and
middle
income
only
so.
F
F
It's
slightly
different,
so
our
low
to
moderate
limit
is
at
what
we
call
HUD
plus
10%,
so
it's
the
Housing
and
Urban
Development
low
income
plus
10
percent.
So
that's
varies
from
year
to
year
this
year,
it's
about
it's
under
80
percent
at
70.
Something
present
I
can
get
back
to
you
on
the
exact
number.
So
it
goes
from
there
up
until
a
hundred
sorry,
it's
HUD
plus
fifty
percent,
so
it's
not
equivalent
to
the
ami
percentages.
F
B
F
B
F
B
And
then
my
other
question
is
sort
of
an
obscure
when
I
guess,
but
as
I
was
reading,
it
I
think
you
had
like
the
covenants
in
there
that
people
agree
to
and
all
that
and
I'm
just
wondering
on
your
feedback.
Have
there
been
any
covenants
that
have
been
problematic
either
for
you
or
that
you've
noticed
for
the
owners
so.
F
We're
always
developing
the
covenant
and
it
evolved
over
time
and
we
we
find
that
it's
an
evolution
and
it's
a
balance
between
maintaining
the
affordability
and
having
the
homes
be
used
for
what
their
purpose
is,
and
balancing
the
rights
of
homeowners
to
use
home,
use
the
homes
and
gain
equity
in
their
home.
So
it's
a
balance,
so
you
look
you're
looking.
F
And
with
that
saying
who,
when
a
owner
signs
their
covenant,
that's
their
covenant
unless
a
emergency
matter
was
passed
by
the
city
manager,
that
can't
be
changed
so
going
forward.
New
owners
who
purchase
could
could
have
an
updated
covenant,
but
that's
the
legal
document
they
sign
when
they
purchase.
So
it
can't
be
retroactive
necessarily
great.
Thank
you
very
much.
Mm-Hmm.
B
G
All
right
to
give
an
example
of
how
it's
evolved.
Some
of
the
earliest
covenants
did
not
require
fair
marketing
practices
where
the
sellers
could
select
the
buyers,
and
that
was
quickly
became
an
issue
of
concern
and
was
changed
in
the
first,
probably
two
or
three
years
that
the
covenant
was
being
used.
Other
things
have
been,
you
know
how
we
would
handle
capital
improvements.
G
F
C
E
F
C
D
Do
have
a
couple
of
questions.
I
thought
your
packet
was
great,
thank
you
and
just
full
disclosure,
some
friends
and
I
founded
the
Affordable
Housing
Alliance.
High
years
ago
we
had,
we
were
lucky
enough
to
buy
houses
in
Boulder
when
we
were
relatively
young
and
we
noticed
that
the
city
didn't
have
a
homeownership
program.
This
was
back
in
like
1992
and
we
ended
up
partnering
with
the
city
on
the
piece
of
property
that
the
housing
authority
owned.
I.
D
Guess
that's
housing
partners
now
on
poplar,
so
we
call
it
the
poplar
community
and
and
I'm
glad
to
see
some
of
the
programs
that
you
started,
then
not
because
of
that.
But
you
have
a
homeownership
training
program
that
I
know
people
went
through
and
realized
that
they
could
apply
for
a
market
rate
condo-
maybe
not
a
single-family
house,
but
do
you?
How
do
you
advertise
that
program?
I
know
I
noticed
in
the
notes
here.
D
F
So
we
we
have
two
homeownership
trainings
that
we
require.
We
have
a
homeownership
program
orientation
that
we
offer
once
a
month
and
we
have
a
video
that's
available
online
at
any
time
and
we
offer
special
set
ups
of
those
that
orientation.
If
someone
has
needs
other
than
the
English
version
that's
online.
And
then
we
partner
with
Boulder,
County
and
chafa
to
to
provide
another
class
which
is
the
so
chafa,
is
the
Colorado
Housing
and
Finance
Authority,
and
they
certify
folks
to
teach
this
home
buyer
education
class.
F
F
F
D
F
It
varies:
we
have
some
new
homes
that
come
into
the
program
and
then
those
are
advertised
in
advance,
but
then
the
rest
come
available
when
a
current
owner
decides
to
sell.
So
it's
really
hard
to
say,
I,
don't
know
how
many
homes
will
come
up
in
the
next
month.
Over
the
past
three
years
that
I've
been
with
the
program
we
tend
to
have
a
few
a
month,
so.
D
F
So
Habitat
for
Humanity,
we
partner
with
them
as
well.
There
they
select
the
first
owner
of
the
homes
they
build
and
that
owner
and
buyer
helps
build
the
home.
Then
one
of
our
covenants
gets
four
gets
signed
and
recorded
on
the
property.
So
then
it
still
has
the
same
permanent
affordability
restrictions
so
once
that
first
owner
decides
to
sell,
then
it
gets
sold
through
our
program
and
we
administer
it.
Those
sales
great.
D
E
E
Did
a
lot
of
different
a
lot
of
it
was
word
of
mouth
through
organizations
and
guess
getting
the
word
out
there.
We
had
everyone
who
had
shown
it
showed
interest
in
it.
We
did
a
you
know,
written
questions
and
an
interview
process,
and
then
we
made
recommendations.
My
to
the
director
that
answer
your
question
and.
E
D
A
So
can
an
owner
opt
to
also
I
think
the
first
one
she
had
offered
it
and
it
had
gone
to
a
family
or
so
or
it
hasn't
or
something
to
that
effect.
But
I'm
curious
does
it?
Is
it
also
recognize
that
potentially
selling
it
and
using
the
money
to
put
into
building
more
units
as
possible
or
is
it
held
in
trust?
The
way
it
is
anything's.
E
E
F
That
program
is
there,
are
funds
available
for
it,
but
it's
underutilized
so
the
that
the
shared
appreciation
loan
program
is
loans
on
market
rate
homes
within
the
city
limits
of
Boulder.
So
it's
a
loan
up
to
fifteen
percent
of
the
homes
purchase
price
maximum
of
fifty
thousand
dollars.
So
fifty
thousand
dollars
towards
a
market
right
home
may
not
be
enough
to
cover
the
gap
to
make
it
affordable
for
someone
under
to
meet
the
income
limits
for
that
program.
So
it's
still
utilized
but
under
utilized
yeah.
E
F
A
F
A
I'm
going
to
offer
something,
as
maybe
something
that
could
be
piloted
with
this,
so
I
just
entered
an
accelerator
program
for
a
new
startup
business
that
I'm
doing
and
to
be
a
part
of
this
program.
We
were
asked
if
we
would
1%
pledge
back
to
the
group.
So
if
our,
if
we
get
chosen
we'd
1%
pledge
back
and
I'm
curious
about
stuff
like
this,
because
I
know
I'm
spacing
on
what
it
is
that
the
old
president,
the
older
president,
that
always
goes
out
and
builds
the
houses
come
on.
H
A
Know
where
everybody
works
together
and
build
I
know
well,
I
told
you
I
had
a
massage
I'm
like
on
my
game
right
now,
so
I'm
curious.
If,
if
you
get
into
these
affordable
programs,
if
there's
a
1%
pledge
back
so
how
can
we
help
our
community
to
become
community
members?
So,
yes,
I'm,
participating
in
this
program
and
I
believe
in
it,
so
much
that
I'm
willing
to
prove
1%
pledge
back
and
maybe
that's
me
pledging
back
in
office
work.
A
F
A
And
then
I'm
curious
about
the
actual
process.
So
if
I
came
in
there
and
I
went
to
these
two
classes
and
then
I
fill
out
the
paperwork.
Is
this
a
lot
like
Social
Work,
where
your
case
loaded
somewhere
and
somebody's
watching
your
you
go
through
this
process?
Or
are
you
just?
This
is
all
self-managed
and
you're
then
plugged
into
a
porthole,
and
you
watch
four
houses
or
your
assistance
in
that
a
little
of
both
so.
F
Homeownership
program
coordinators,
so
that's
my
role
in
my
colleague,
Eric
Swanson.
We
help
you
through
the
application
process
and
once
you're
certified
certifications
are
good
for
six
months.
During
that
time
period
you
look
for
homes
that,
in
of
interest
to
you,
apply
for
them.
If
you
qualify
and
and
then
go
from
there
and
then
recertify
every
six
months
and
what.
A
F
C
B
Have
another
thing
I
wanted
to
add?
We
recently
asked
the
public
for
some
input
about
housing
issues
and
one
of
the
responses
from
somebody
and
I
can't
remember
is
email
or
on
be
heard,
Baldr
or
if
they
they
spoke,
but
one
of
the
things
they
said
is
they
wish
that
there
was
more
publicity
about
all
the
good
things
that
the
city
does.
That's,
basically
what
it
boiled
down
to
so
I
just
wanted
to
pass
that
along
to
you,
because
I
don't
know
if
you're
getting
way
more
people
than
you
need,
or
if
there's
you
know.
B
F
B
A
A
F
So
let
me
introduce
our
home
ownership
committee
members
who
have
come
to
talk
about
the
home
ownership
committee.
So
just
as
a
refresher,
we
have
an
advisory
committee
that
we
seek
advice
from
on
certain
aspects
of
the
home
ownership
programs
when
someone
doesn't
quite
fit
in
the
boxes
and
needs,
if
there's
a
gray
area
they.
The
committee
here
is
exception,
requests
to
the
rules
and
then
advises
back
to
the
director
who
has
final
decision
on
those
matters
here
with
us
tonight.
F
I
A
I
To
hold
mine
hi,
my
name
is
Alicia
Alpen
fells
I've
been
a
mortgage
advisor
for
17
years
and
I've
been
on
the
homeownership
committee
for
nine
months.
I
was
appointed
in
January,
so
I'm
nine
months
into
a
three-year
term
and
my
role,
it's
still
I'm,
so
you
know
figuring
out
exactly
what
my
role
is
for
the
committee.
But
at
this
point
what
I've
been
doing
is
just
answering
questions
to
ensure
that
the
homebuyers
aren't
getting
into
predatory
loans.
So
I've
been
answering
questions
about
what
is
a
realistic
interest
rate?
What
is
a
HELOC?
I
What
should
he
like?
Look
like
we've
been
talking
about
mortgage
insurance
in
different
ways
to
structure
mortgage
insurance,
I'm,
not
sure
if
that
role
will
change
over
the
next
couple
years.
But
at
this
point
that's
what
I've
been
doing.
It's
very
interesting
to
me.
I
had
wanted
to
get
involved
with
the
program
for
a
long
time
and
actually
I.
Think
I
was
part
of
the
home
repair
program
in
the
early
90s
I'd
bought
my
first
house
and
the
first
nine
months.
I
had
owned
my
house.
I
Every
appliance
had
broken
every
single
one
and
I
had
absolutely
no
money
to
repair
my
furnace,
so
ice
came
and
got
money
to
replace
the
furnace,
and
then
it
was
what
they
would
have
called
a
silent
second,
and
then,
when
I
sold
the
house,
whenever
there's
like
1993,
they
paid
it
I
would
pay
it
back.
The
loan
to
the
city
so
I
think
I've
always
been
kind
of
had
a
fondness
for
the
program
just
because
it
really
helped
me
out
of
a
bind
a
long
time
ago
and
and
I'm
enjoying
it.
I
It's
nice
to
be
able
to
kind
of
get
more
involved,
see
how
the
program
works,
because
on
the
lending
side,
I
know
about
the
program,
I've
had
clients
use
the
program,
but
I
never
quite
understood
how
some
of
the
rules
were
determined
and
so
to
be
able
to
be
on
the
committee
and
kind
of
have
that
input
and
kind
of
help
them
decide
some
of
the
some
of
the
decisions.
It's
been
really
cool.
A
So
that
brings
up
something
kind
of
interesting
and
I
was
thinking
about
this
under
the
compliance,
the
compliance
piece
of
it
but
I'm
curious.
If,
if
in
this
program,
there
is
a
way
because
I
personally
know
a
couple
of
people
that
are
in
the
affordable
that
bought
and
now
we're
doing
really
well
and
I'm
wondering
if
there's
not
because
I
was
like
well,
it's
only
by
complaint.
It's
only
this,
but
what?
If?
What?
A
If
there's
a
way
to
incentivize
people
that
are
in
these
permanently
affordable
houses
like
you
sold
and
then
probably
moved
up
to
a
market
rate,
or
are
you
in
a
market
right
now
or
some?
Oh,
yes,
yeah
and
I've
had
a
couple
friends
that
have
done
that
as
well.
So
I'm
curious,
if
there's
not
a
way
we're
like,
maybe
once
a
year
under
the
marketing
program
or
something
you
send
out
a
card
to
everybody.
A
Just
saying:
are
you
at
a
point
where
reconsidering
for
a
market
home
or
to
look
at
you
know
something
that
incentivizes
or
promotes
you
know?
Is
it
time
to
expand
and
move
on
and
give
property
back
for
the
next
family
that
could
help
out
just
curious
if
that,
if
there's
a
way
to
in
a
positive
way,
say,
is
this
something
that
we
could
look
at
well.
I
I
think
the
program
doesn't
allow
for
it
to
be
an
investment
property.
So
when
I'm
talking
to
my
clients
and
we're
talking
about
ways
to
structure
loans,
we
look
at
what's
the
cheapest
monthly
payment
versus
what's
a
long-term
investment,
because
if
somebody
was
buying
a
property
like
I,
have
you
know
first-time
homebuyers,
that
are
buying
properties?
And
we
might
look
at
how
to
how
to
handle
the
mortgage
insurance?
Do
you
pay
monthly
mortgage
insurance
or
you
do
you
build
it
into
the
rate?
I
And
what
that
discussion
would
be
is
if
you
pay
monthly
mortgage
insurance,
maybe
in
10
years
that
mortgage
insurance
falls
off
and
if
you
keep
the
property
as
an
investment
property.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
you
have
a
lower
monthly
payment,
but
that
wouldn't
be
the
goal
for
someone
in
this
program,
because
you
can't
make
it
an
investment
property.
So
I
think
that
in
and
of
itself
clean
motors
to
people
move
people
up,
but
the,
but
in
this
increasing
market
it
will
be
hard
to
step
out
of
this
program
and
go
into
market
unless.
A
B
Have
a
comment
I
think
programs
like
this
committees
like
this,
are
so
valuable
and
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
both
of
you,
because
the
programs
are
fabulous
from
a
general,
a
speck,
but
to
make
sure
that
people
don't
fall
through
the
cracks
and
get
good.
Individual
advice
is
just
crucial
to
me.
So
I
really
appreciate
what
you're
doing
absolutely
it's
been
my.
J
Can
you
guys
hear
me
yes,
so
my
name
is
Marsha
Zipkin
and
I.
Actually,
work
for
Boulder,
County
and
I
serve
as
et
said
as
the
community
member
at
large,
and
my
role
with
Boulder
County
actually
is
the
instructor
for
the
home
ownership,
training
classes
that
you
are
referencing
before
and
then
also
I
teach
11
different
financial
workshops,
and
these
are
all
workshops
that
are
free
and
open
to
the
public
and
before
I
was
primarily
an
instructor.
J
And
you
know
what
I
know
from
doing
this
for
10
or
11
years
is
when
there
are
stable
housing
options
within
a
household
or
a
family,
they're
able
to
focus
on
and
and
build
stability
and
all
the
other
areas
of
their
life.
So
I
was
honored
and
pleased
and
tickled
when
an
opening
became
available
on
the
homeownership
committee,
so
that
I
could
kind
of
come
from
the
other
side
and
kind
of
see.
You
know,
from
years
of
teaching
the
homeownership
training
class
I've
been
working
with
this
program.
J
People
have
been
using
that
program,
I've
been
educating
them
about
it,
and
but
I
was
always
kind
of
on
that
side
and
not
really
understanding
the
depth
of
the
inner
workings
of
the
program.
And
so
what
that
has
done
for
me,
being
able
to
be
part
of
this
is
a
coming
with
a
lens
where
I'm,
really
looking
at
everything
from
are
the
decisions
we're
making
the
best
for
the
borrower
and
the
community
member
for
long-term
stability
or
making
a
decision,
that's
ultimately
just
going
to
help
them
with
in
their
lives
and
also
the
community.
J
So
you
know
that's
kind
of
where
I'm
coming
into
it,
and
it's.
It's
really
helps
to
have
that
that
more
roundabout
view
with
how
what's
going
on
with
the
program
from
the
inside
and
then
also
me
being
able
to
speak
to
people
about
it
from
the
other.
From
the
other
side
and
through
those
classes-
and
we
have
as
for
the
marketing
piece
that
you
someone
asked
the
question
about
before
just
for
reference-
there
are
50
to
70
people
that
come
to
that
class,
that
I
teach
every
single
month
and
so
for
an
exam.
B
J
You
know
we
do
so
I.
My
program
is
actually
housed
within
workforce
Boulder
County
and
we
send
an
email
out
monthly
with
all
of
the
training
and
education
that
we
do,
which
would
include
the
home
ownership,
the
financial
and
also
career
related
workshops
and
services,
and
if
you
provide
me
with
your
I,
can
get
them
from
them.
Your
contact
information
I
am
happy
to
add
you
to
that
list.
So
you
can
receive
that
information
so.
A
I'm
curious,
because
something
that
sits
with
me
are
the
and
I'm
curious.
If
you
guys
do
any
pre
work
with
any
of
like
through
attention,
homes
or
bridge
house,
or
anything
like
that,
just
prepping
them
for
what
they
can.
No,
not
that
they're
gonna
actually
qualify
and
go
for
a
house,
but
looking
long-term
yeah.
J
So
we
do
try
to
connect
with
lots
of
different
community
partners
and
I.
Don't
it's
funny
that
you
just
brought
up
attention
homes,
cuz
I,
maybe
four
or
five
months
ago
we
were
trying
to
meet
with
them
to
talk
about
how
we
can
work
together
and
I
think
that
kind
of
fell
apart
over
this
summer
with
schedules
and
things
like
that.
I
work
with
a
lot
of
schools
in
the
community,
Boulder
Valley,
School,
District,
and
also
st.
brain
Valley,
School
District
and
I'm
gonna
be
meeting
with
someone
in
a
couple
of
weeks
from
st.
J
brain
Valley,
School
District,
to
talk
about
maybe
doing
classes
for
high
school
students
and
then
also
I
often
work
with
the
parents
of
students
within
the
school
districts
so
giving
them
financial
education
and
within
all
of
those
workshops.
We
end
up
talking
about
home
ownership
because,
if
someone's
renting,
ultimately
most
likely,
they
are
thinking
about
wanting
to
become
homeowners.
And
so
it
can
begin
within
those
financial
workshops
that
we
start
talking
about
what's
needed
so
that
people
can,
you
know,
have
that
as
a
future
goal
yeah.
So.
A
H
J
J
Is
we're
presented
with
a
scenario,
but
it's
a
confidential
or
anonymous
sort
of
scenario
about
whether
it's
an
exception
to
someone
who's
already
living
in
a
home,
not
meeting
all
the
criteria
around
being
eligible
to
apply
for
a
home
and
so
we're
able
to
kind
of
talk
through
the
pieces
of
that
and
for
me
it's
really
helpful
to
have
like
Alisha
and
then
the
other
folks
on
the
committee
who
all
have
their
own
unique
lens
on
the
the
home
ownership
scenario.
So.
E
We're
doing
a
home
ownership
workshop
on
November
4th
with
habitat
mm-hmm
for
Ponderosa.
So
that's
that's
the
next
thing
on
on
on
there
just
for
that
they
still
habitat
and
our
dam
art
men
were
working
together
because
it
will
be
very
similar
as
to
the
you
know,
the
other
habitat
homes
where
our
covenant
will
be
on
the
homes,
but
habitat
will
be
involved
in
the
first
part.
A
A
C
I'm
leading
off
public
engagement
this
evening
so
first
thing
we're
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
session
we
had
where
people
came
with
their
housing
solutions.
Judy
and
I
are
still
working
on
that
report.
Recording
everyone's
interests,
and
you
know
the
solutions
that
they
came
up
with
to
the
problems
they
also
came
up
with.
We've
been
working
with
Zack
to
get
some
feedback
from
be
heard,
bolder
in
a
nice,
well-documented
sort
of
document,
essentially,
and
once
we
have
that
all
together,
we
just
have
a
couple
more
steps.
C
B
Just
a
couple
there's
one
area:
we
could
use
feedback
from
if
anybody
has
any
ideas
and
that's
besides
giving
it
to
Council
as
just
a
report,
we're
not
making
any
recommendations
and
putting
it
on
our
website
and
emailing.
All
the
people
whose
emails
we
have
who
did
contribute.
Is
there
any
other
way
that
anyone
can
suggest
that
we
can
make
sure
that
we
complete
that
loop
that
they
talked
about
in
the
public
participation
working
group?
The.
B
Feedback
loop
yeah.
So
if
you
have
any
ideas,
that's
one.
The
other
thing
is
I.
I
just
happened
to
have
had
a
conversation
with
Bobby
AIDS
day
before
yesterday.
Is
that
what
I
told
you
day
before
yesterday
and
was
mentioning
it
to
him,
and
he
said
he
believes
it's
his
opinion.
He
doesn't
speak
for
whole
council,
but
he
believes
that
council
is
really
happy
to
get
reports.
B
But
I
showed
him
what
our
sort
of
temporary
report
looks
like,
and
he
said
he
thought
it
would
really
help
console
if
we
highlighted,
besides
all
the
I,
to
show
them
everything
that
people
submitted
as
their
ideas
for
solutions
and
to
eliminate
duplication.
And
if
we
wanted
to
illustrate
that
more
than
one
person
made
the
suggestion
we
can
just
put
an
asterisk
or
something,
but
he
thought
it
would
also
be
really
helpful
if
we
as
a
board,
highlighted
what
ideas
also
were
going
along
with
our
thinking
that
they
would
know
that.
B
C
B
A
C
Yeah,
we
expect
to
be
done
pretty
quickly
here,
hopefully
by
the
next.
Whatever
your
next
scheduled
meeting
will
end
up
being
okay,
second
piece
from
the
public
engagement
committee,
so
we
are
considering
what
our
next
big
sort
of
event
or
topic
for
our
next
event
was
going
to
be,
and
Judy
and
I
thought
that
the
occupancy
limits
would
be
an
interesting
community
discussion.
It's
not
necessarily
on
our
work
plan
right
now
or
council's
work
plan
right
now,
but
it
so.
It
seems
like
a
really
ripe
topic
number
one.
C
People
have
a
lot
of
interest
in
it
and
number
two.
It's
a
place
where
we
feel
the
community
could
build
a
lot
of
consensus
where
there's
probably
a
lot
less
people
who
are
this
far
apart
than
are
this
far
apart.
So
we
thought
that
being
sort
of
a
topical
focus
where
we
have
a
few
different
engagement
sessions
would
be
really
beneficial,
especially
if
counsel
would
maybe
be
teeing
that
up
for
next
year
in
their
retreat.
So.
C
B
At
this
point,
since
it's
not
actually
on
the
council's
work
plan,
it
wouldn't
be
as
something
we
would
vote
on
and
make
our
decision
that
would
have
to
go
to
Council
first.
In
that
way,
it
would
just
be
to
talk
about,
and
we
we
really
spent
some
time
talking
about
why
we
thought
that
would
be
a
good
topic,
but
additionally,
I
did
mention
that
and
I
discuss
this
with
that.
B
I'm
I
did
also
mention
that
to
Bob
Yates,
and
not
only
was
he
pretty
excited
because
he
loves
the
idea
of
experiment
of
boards
experimenting
with
things.
He
also
liked
the
idea
of
the
goal
of
building
consensus,
and
he
had
one
suggestion,
and
that
was
that,
instead
of
doing
just
one
public
engagement,
we
had
talked
about
the
idea
of
letting
people
sign
up
ahead
of
time
and
then
picking
two
people
for
eliminating
occupancy
and
two
people
for
keeping
the
current
occupancy
randomly.
B
He
also
suggested
that
we
do
at
least
one
more
and
consider
doing
one
where
we
asked
for
local
expert
building
consensus
arrangement
where,
where
we
could
actually
come
up
with
criteria,
he
said
all
we
would
need
to
do.
Is
come
up
with
appropriate
criteria
for
who
we
considered
to
be
expert
in
that
subject
and
then
asked
someone
on
each
side
of
the
issue
to
to
give
their
presentation
to
rebut
each
other
and
then
to
have
a
facilitator,
possibly
from
the
city.
B
Mediation
group
mediate
trying
to
build
consensus
between
those
two
people,
Jeff
also
Jeff
and
Erin,
told
stated
that
we
don't
need
to
have
a
public
hearing
before
each
time
we
talk
about.
It.
It'd
probably
be
good
to
have
a
public
hearing
at
some
point
on
occupancy,
but
we
don't
have
to
have
a
public
hearing
before
each
time.
We
talk
about
it
because
we're
not
voting
talk
about
what
occupancy
the.
C
So,
just
to
recap:
real
quick,
we're
looking
at
multiple
sessions,
different
sort
of
types
of
session
each
time-
one!
That's
just
anyone
in
the
public
who
is
interested
in
the
you
know
an
occupancy.
They
come.
They
give
their
spiel
like
sort
of
like
a
normal
public
comment
period.
We
have
one
where
we
come
up
with
our
criteria,
for
who
a
local
expert
might
be
send
that
out
and
then
anyone
who
qualifies
under
those
guidelines
comes.
C
C
B
Then
there
was
public
with
where
we
ran,
where
we
picked
people
who
have
submitted
ahead
of
time
and
do
two
and
two
to
I
mean
when
is
the
general
public?
When
is
where
it's
just
a
debate
towards
consensus
with
two
people
and
we're
not
I
mean
we're,
not
that's
just
what
we're
suggesting
and
putting
out.
We
also
don't
have
to
make
any
decisions
on
that
tonight,
because
we've
talked
this
through
with
Jeff
and
we're
not
looking
at
doing
anything
before
January
no.
C
A
Love
the
idea
of
number
one
where
we're
doing
topic
driven
sessions
and
maybe
naming
it
public
session
instead
of
public
comment,
so
that
it
has
a
wrap
around
it.
A
little
bit
more
I'm
curious.
If
we
could
get
feedback
from
a
facilitator
in
advance,
saying
something
to
the
giving
us
advice
or
direction
on
how
to
format
it
so
saying
because
for
me,
when
I
try
and
walk
it
through,
my
head
and
I
have
opposing
v's
and
how
could
we
create
consensus?
A
I'd
be
curious,
like
when
I
watch,
building
bridges
with
Brenda
or
anything
like
that,
is
that
it
B,
maybe
there's
a
way
to
bring
in
Cu
because
of
the
building
bridges
thing,
but
it'd
be
interesting
to
see
if
this
is
a
dot
formation
or
if
this
is
a.
You
know,
if
it's
to
avoid
the
confrontation
piece
of
video,
build
the
consensus
without
people
having
to
say
in
my
positions
better
than
that
position.
A
B
I
can't
believe
I'm
blanking
out
on
her
name,
but
the
person
who's
in
charge
would
be
her
Boulder.
Why
am
I
blanking
out
on
her
name?
You
know
I
mean
Jeff,
Sarah,
Sarah
and
so
Sarah
would
be.
Somebody
I'd
be
happy
to
talk
to
where
you
come,
and
we
both
talk
to
her
about
this
because
stuff
before
and
maybe
clay
Fong
who's
with
the
communication
that
head
of
the
mediation
part
might
have
some
ideas
for
us.
If
you
like,
we
can.
What
do
you
think
about
that?
Jeff
I.
G
I
think
you
would
want
to
structure
the
discussions
and
decide
what
the
goals
are
and
then
work
with
clay
and
others
to
identify
good
resources
to
help
you
accomplish
that,
whether
it's
from
community
mediation
or
community
members,
with
particular
skills
of
which
we
have
a
wealth
of
people
who
are
good
at
helping
conversations,
be
moderate
and
productive.
So.
C
D
Had
a
comment
before
I
talk
about
the
occupancy
limits
and
how
that
might
be
structured,
I
would
suggest
looking
at
what's
on
the
council's
work
plan
right
now
after
their
study
session
with
the
large
lots-
and
it
might
be
something
you
want
to
put
some
energy
into
weighing
in
there's-
been
a
lot
of
talk,
especially
at
the
presentations
from
the
public.
When
you
ask
the
public
to
come
in
that,
might
help
inform
some
of
the
council's
discussions.
D
I
thought
of
the
large
large
lots
and
then
sub
Community
Planning
it'd
be
nice.
If
the
staff
from
Planning
Board
they
did
a
presentation
or
from
planning,
they
did
a
presentation
to
the
Planning
Board
on
Thursday
on
the
sub,
Community
Planning
and
then
one
to
council.
It
was
basically
the
same
presentation,
but
you
might
have
some
suggestions
on
how
housing
issues
my
fit
in
with
the
sub
community
discussion.
So
I
was
just
thinking.
Those
are
two
things.
D
Those
are
two
projects
that
are
that
are
starting
now
and
I
think
it
would
be
helpful,
considering
some
of
your
discussions
to
maybe
be
able
to
weigh
in
on
those
understand
them
and
weigh
in
and
then
on
the
occupancy
limits,
and
this
applies
to
any
kind
of
topic
driven
project.
I'd
say
you
want
to
have
a
background
like,
but
the
educate
education
where
we
stand
as
a
community
I
find
that
there's
a
big
misunderstanding
about
the
occupancy
limits,
they're
different
in
various
zones.
D
My
phone,
you
can
have
four
unrelated
per
unit,
we're
in
a
mix
density
area.
So
that's
quite
a
you
know.
Sometimes
you
have
up
four-plex
on
one
side
of
you
and
a
single
family
with
with
a
little
accessory
unit
on
the
other
side
of
you,
and
so
that
whole
education
would
be
really
important,
so
everybody's
starting
it
the
same
with
the
same
information
and
then
the
other
thing
that
I
found
to
be
really
helpful
are
case.
D
Studies
now
in
the
sub
community
planning,
there's
a
whole
series
of
case
studies
that
they
cited
for
different
communities
around
the
country
and
when
you
start
reading
them,
they're
very,
very
interesting
and
really
informative,
so
I
mean
a
case.
Study
on
occupancy
I
looked
into
it
a
little
bit
last
year,
and
it's
really
said
someone
would
have
to
be
calling
the
cities
or
you
know
the
planners-
have
got
all
these
networks
of
information.
It
might
be
good
to
get
information.
D
I
think
we
might
be
surprised,
there's
the
number
of
cities
that
just
do
not
have
a
occupancy
limits
and
they're
set
by
the
fire
department.
I
called
the
Planning
Department
in
Palo
Alto,
where
I'm
from
and
that's
what
they
told
me.
The
fire
chief
sets
the
occupancy
based
on
the
size
of
the
house,
etc.
The
bedrooms
and
all
of
square
footage,
so
I
just
think
that
that
would
be
really
informative.
Who
would
think
that
Palo
Alto
didn't
have
some
kind
of
fancy
so.
A
What
I'm
kind
of
hearing,
then,
is
no
matter
if
we're
doing
a
public
session
around
a
topic
or
specifically,
a
question,
it
would
be
great
to
have
kind
of
a
wide
statement,
or
what
problem
are
we
solving
for
and
having
some
previous,
like
just
like
with
any
of
the
presentations
a
little
blurb
of
the
background
of
where
we're
at
and
how
we
got
here,
yeah
yeah,
and
what
we're
solving
for
that's
for.
What's
available
totally.
A
D
I
I
think
I
saw
something
that
Judy
and
Adam
some
preliminary
results
that
you
would
send
out.
Am
I
making
about
the
the
input
session?
Yeah,
yeah,
okay,
so
I
think
you'd
want
to
go
back
and
you
know
say
it's
part
of,
and
that
was
a
good
point
Mason
as
part
of
your.
Why?
Why
we're
doing
this
and
is
to
be
able
to
tie
it
back
to
that
or
other
other
issues
or
other
forums,
sort
of
brought
this
up
great.
C
A
Jeff
and
I
were
talking
earlier
today
and
I
think
that
we
both
kind
of
slipped
on
and
we
called
it
rental
increases,
but
I
think
we
meant
to
say:
affordable
housing
resident
concerns
for
this
special
committee.
So
just
an
FYI
on
the
update
on
the
agenda
is
that
it's
in
that
so
who's
on
the
lead,
I
think.
C
I'll,
do
this
one
as
well
yeah,
so
what
you
see
in
the
packet
that
was
sent
is
just
the
initial
concerns
that
were
brought
to
us
listed
under
original
items.
So
that's
a
listing
of
essentially
every
item
that
was
brought
to
us
with
those
affordable
rental
housing
concerns
we
went
through
that
list
and
in
the
second
list
that
says
items
to
be
addressed.
Another
way
isn't
removed
from
consideration.
At
this
time.
C
The
thing
that
is
missing
from
this
document
is
the
items
that
we
took
out
and
chose
to
sort
of
take
on
and
see
what
we
can
do
with
staff
in
order
to
come
up
with
the
information
we're
looking
for
before,
we
ever,
you
know,
make
a
recommendation
to
the
board
or
to
make
a
recommendation
to
Council.
Essentially,
so
you
don't
see
in
this
list
here
what
we're
actually
working
on,
because
we
wanted
to
get
with
staff
and
get
as
much
information
as
possible
about
those
items
before
we
present
it
to
the
entire
board.
C
B
C
Steps
are
to
we've
already
talked
with
Jeff
about
what
staff
might
be
able
to
provide,
in
terms
of
the
information
to
the
questions
that
we're
asking
them,
and
once
we
get
some
of
that
information
back,
we're
gonna
try
to
make
a
a
move
to
have
the
board.
You
know
say
whether
or
not
they
agree
with
what
we're
considering
to
recommend
to
Council.
C
The
interesting
thing
is
after
we
went
through
this
process
with
Jeff
is
a
lot
of
the
topics
that
we're
focusing
on
are
mostly
informational,
like
creating
a
database
of
why
people
might
leave
affordable
housing
just
as
a
quick
example.
So
if
people
are
truly
getting
pushed
out
because
rents
are
being
raised
too
much,
then
we'll
sort
of
have
that
information.
So
a
lot
of
this
stuff
is
just
gonna,
be
informational
and
not
so
much
needs
to
be
actively
changed
in
rules
or
anything
like
that.
C
But
we
want
to
make
sure
that,
essentially,
we
have
all
the
information
that
we
can
about
these
residents
and
what
their
situations
are.
So
that's
sort
of
the
main
focus
again,
probably
the
next
time
we
meet
we'll
have
the
full
list
of
things
that
we're
working
on
for
you
and
hopefully
some
feedback
from
staff.
At
that
point
about
those
items
and.
B
Also,
there
may
be
things
that
we
suggested
being
taken
off
the
plate
that
the
entirety
of
the
board
might
want
an
item
back
on.
You
know
Mike,
oh
well,
you
two
don't
want
that,
but
we
think
this
is
important
and
under
under
this,
and
then
there
might
be
other
things
that
we
think
are
worth
working
on,
that
the
whole
board
doesn't
think
it.
So
that's
the
sort
of
discussion
we
want
to
have
another
thing:
I
want
to
say
is
another
reason
why
this
is
important
to
us
is
we're
the
engagements
committee
and
we
take.
B
You,
know
public
engagement
very
seriously,
and
this
is
the
first
group
who's
come
to
us
with
something
and
we
feel
an
obligation
to
to
discuss
it.
Then,
because
a
group
of
a
group
of
people
came
to
us
and
the
little
bit
we've
looked
into
it,
we
see
you
know,
we
see
some
concerns
that
are
worth
us
pursuing,
so
I
just
want
to
put
that
out
there
too.
So.
C
C
C
A
A
I,
don't
know
if
you're
working
in
the
Google
Docs
but
I
sent
a
link,
so
you
could
literally
see
my
comments
alongside
of
it
and
I
only
went
through
the
first
twelve,
because
I
didn't
realize,
as
there
was
more
I
just
thought.
It
was
your
comments
on
the
second
twelve.
So
I
was
like
I,
don't
know
again,
I
just
didn't
understand,
and
so
you
have
my
comments
on
that
and
part
of
I
said
this.
A
Many
moons
back
in
the
beginning
when
we
first
started
talking
about
committees,
but
personally
I
mean
and
I
sent
out
the
email
list
of
when
I
had
requested.
Everybody
say
which
committees
that
you're
on
is
that
in
this
process.
I
think
to
be
clear
is
that
we
should
have
a
why
or
a
problem
or
solving
for
so
I
get
that
we
all
just
want
to
be
on
these.
But
what's
the,
why
and
what's
the
problem
that
we're
solving
for
Joshua?
A
A
C
C
H
C
C
B
A
A
This
is
what
came
about
with
that
list.
So
we've
got
public
engagement,
u2
board
liaison
Judi,
Alpine
balsam
is
Jacque
and
I
see
you
is
Jacque,
but
I
thought
you
were
on
that
too.
Okay,
so
I
didn't
put
you
on
there
because
you
didn't
say
it,
but
I
regional
house
housing
is
Jacques
and
I
and
I.
None
of
you
guys
mentioned
sub
Community
Planning,
but
I
put
it
on
there,
even
though
like
Jeff
and
I
talked
about
is
like
we
all
wanted
to
be
a
part
of
it.
A
A
You
know
like
crystal
was
just
saying
in
the
last
piece
of
it.
Is
that
again
for
process
to
me,
I
see
the
same
thing
that
what
you're
talking
about
is,
and
we
can
link
those
topics
to
it
is
that
if
we
see
where
city
council
is
going
and
in
the
sub
Community
Planning,
you
know
we
know
where
they're
going
with
their
presentation
last
night,
where
they're
going
for
quarter
one
four
quarter,
two
in
2019,
we
might
be
able
to
do
a
public
engagement
right
in
front
of
that.
A
That
just
ask
some
questions
that
they
may
want
to
know.
The
answers
on
that
Kathleen
might
want
to
know
some
answers
on
so
I
see
it
all
kind
of
in
a
flowchart
in
my
head
of
how
we
could
start
to
work
on
some
of
those
processes
and
and
inform
our
work
plan
for
2019
as
well
so
special
committees,
we've
got
the
affordable,
housing,
residential
community
and
so
you're
gonna
present
again
next
meeting
thanks.
C
A
I
think
you
know,
GD
brought
up
a
good
point
of
what
what's
already
been
completed,
so
it
might
be
kind
of
nice
to
be
able
to
tick
some
of
those
down
as
we
move
forward.
Was
there
anything
that
I
missed
on
those
lists
and
those
committees
from
anybody
and
I
might
just
do
a
plug
again
that
for
each
one
of
these
I
think
coming
up
with
a
wise
statement
or
a
problem
that
we're
solving
for
even
though
like
with
Alpine
balsam.
What's
our
contribution
of
us
being
there
so
that
yeah?
A
What's
the
scope
of
us
being
there
and
what's
the
use
of
our
time
and
something
along
those
lines
so
that
we're
each
one
of
them
are
clear.
So
if
everybody
on
your
committees
could
just
work
together
on
coming
up
with
a
scope,
I
think
that
would
be
awesome
if
everybody's
into
it
cool
all
right.
So
you
feel
clear
about
that.
Jeff.
Are
we
on
the
same
page
then,
with
all
those
am
I
missing
anything
the.
G
One
we
have
listed
that
you
didn't
mention
was
community
benefit.
The
community
benefit
project
similar
to
the
way
we've
been
thinking
of
sub
community
planning
is
that
you
would
have
somebody
or
someone's
from
the
committee
that
really
become
more
in
depth
and
more
in
depth,
familiarity
with
that
project
and
they're
able
to
be
more
of
a
go-between,
the
project
and
the
board.
G
If
there
is
a
broader
board
discussion
like
you,
have
the
sub
community
planning
presentation
coming,
it's
currently
scheduled
for
November,
and
that
will
be
an
exploration
of
how
you
would
be
engaged
in
supporting
that
project
and
providing
your
input
to
counsel.
As
that
project
moves
forward.
Community
benefit
is
the
other
one
where
they
there
was
a
a
study
session
and
they
are
incorporating
all
the
feedback
in
an
updated
project
plan
which
would
involve
potentially
some
input
from
you
all
mm-hmm
and.
A
I
think,
right
after
that
presentation
was
the
one.
The
jock
and
I
were
interested
in
being
on
that
and
had
signed
up
for
that.
But
I
just
didn't
put
it
on
the
list.
I,
don't
know
how
that
got.
Missed,
cuz
I
feel
like
we
talked
about
it
and
I
didn't
I,
just
didn't
put
it
on
there,
but
thank
you
for
the
reminder.
G
I
may
just
if
anyone
is
curious
about
what
you're
talking
about
the
board
had
asked
that
to
try
an
approach
where,
instead
of
a
fairly
lengthy
and
in-depth
presentation
on
the
issues
that
most
of
that
information
be
provided
up
front
and
then
the
bulk
of
the
time
with
the
board
be
answering
questions
from
staff.
Answering
questions.
So
we've
tried
it
two
ways.
G
Now
the
first
time
was
nope,
no
presentation
and
I
believe
you
had
consensus
that
a
short
presentation
made
sense
to
kind
of
set
the
stage
for
that
question
period
and
introduce
the
issues
to
anyone
who
hadn't
had
a
chance
to
read
the
packet.
That's
what
was
tried
tonight
with
home
ownership,
so
you
know
you
had
agreed.
You
wanted
to
try
it
twice.
So
that's
this
is
the
opportunity
to
check
in
on
how
it's
working
for
you
thank.
B
We're
going
from
this
direction
that
way
it
seems
like
so
I,
like
them,
I
think
without
question,
anything
that
we
have
to
make
a
recommendation
to
Council
on
I'd
like
to
both
get
the
materials
ahead
of
time
and
have
a
presentation,
because
I
think
it's
just
a
different
sort
of
level.
But
I
don't
understand
that,
so
anything
that
we
have
to
make
a
recommendation
on
to
Council.
B
You
know
something
that's
on
their
work
plan
that
they
want
feedback
from
us
that
they
want
us
to
weigh
in
on
okay,
I
I
would
like
there
to,
besides
being
the
packet
in
the
packet
I'd
like
there
to
also
be
the
in-person
presentation,
but
the
ones
that
we
did.
I
I
really
liked
and
I
thought
that
were
great
for
things
that
are
not
on
councils.
You
not
specifically
on
councils
work
plan
for
us
to
vote
on
I
I
liked
them
the.
G
That
you
had
agreed
that
when
there
was
a
public
hearing
and
a
recommendation
that
you
would
you
had
a
desire
to
have
a
standard,
full-length
presentation,
followed
by
a
full
question
answer
as
part
of
that
public
hearing,
which
would
be
a
standard
practice.
So
I
think
that
this
independent
study
was
limited
to
items
like
you
just
pointed
out
that
our
background
educational
setting,
the
stage
perhaps
but
are
not
Maxwell
recommendation
discussions.
So.
B
C
A
B
G
Typically
well
crystal
Hall,
you
could
probably
speak
to
it
with
more
authority
than
I,
but
what
I
have
seen
is
that
each
board
handles
their
orientation
on
boarding
a
little
bit
differently.
Often
there's
a
massive
pile
of
things
to
read
and
presentations
to
review.
But
often
the
people
are
appointed.
The
boards
have
been
following
the
issues
and
may
have
actually
seen
a
lot
of
the
presentation.
So
I
don't
know
crystal
you
want
to
speak
to
that
yeah.
D
I
think
well,
one
of
the
things
that
the
board's
staff
often
will
do
is,
if
you
get
one
new
person
or
two
people
hold
a
little
orientation
as
as
Jeff
said,
and
there's
a
lot
here
in
the
housing
department
that
doesn't
have
the
eyes
of
the
public
on
them,
because
it's
a
new
board.
Quite
frankly,
only
the
things
that
go
to
City
Council,
but
I
think
the
agendas
would
be
in
the
packets
attached
to
them
would
be
a
good
starting
point.
D
Not
everything
has
been
televised,
so
that
might
be
less
of
a
resource,
but
yeah
just
kind
of
if
she
said
I
do
have
some
thoughts
on
this
is
I.
Do
like
how
you
clarified,
Judy,
that
anything
with
the
recommendation
that
would
go
to
Council
would
have
a
full
presentation
just
because
it's
helpful
to
the
public,
especially
anybody
that
wants
to
make
a
comment
and
be
well-informed.
D
The
only
problem
I
have
with
with
the
way
this
is
set
up,
is
the
questions
just
still
kind
of
they're
not
organized
in
any
topic.
So
maybe
the
last
slide
could
be
a
number
of
topics
that
were
covered
in
in
the
memo
and
just
put
them
up.
I,
don't
you
know,
I,
don't
know
if
it
would
be
helpful
to
people
send
in
questions
ahead
of
time.
That
might
be
too
much
just
too
much
to
ask,
because
there's
a
union
structure,
our
questions
structure,
your
questions,
yeah,
because
it
looks
like
when
you
watch
it.
A
D
I,
don't
that's
kind
of
the
same
thing
if
you
want
to
go
through
the
packet
and
say,
are
there
questions
on?
You
know
the
the
rental
agreements
shooty?
That
was
one
of
the
things
that
you
brought
up
or
something
or
are
there
questions
on
the
homeownership
committee
you
know
couldn't
have
to
be
it
long.
It
just
would
help
organize
the
discussion.
A
bit
could.
B
G
Are
background
kind
of
information
items
which
are
a
couple
that
we
certainly
would
recommend,
but
as
as
a
standing
board,
there
will
be
numerous
educational
presentations.
You
know
throughout
the
year
often
a
project
will
be
introduced
to
you
that
way.
Beef
long
before
you're
asked
to
weigh
in
as
a
way
of
giving
you
some
context
and
the
ability
to
study
it
before
you're
asked
to
deliberate
on
it.
So
the.
B
Plan
so
that
brings
me
to
the
council's
meeting
last
night.
I
get
mixed
up
on
rotate
on
last
night,
where
it
was
two
topics,
as
you
and
I
mentioned,
that
were
both
of
interests
to
to
us
to
the
housing
advisory
board.
Is
it
possible
that
we
can
get
sent
those
packets
or
maybe
do
the
same
thing
with
the,
because
those
are
things
that
are
going
to
be
coming
up
for
us
correct
or
is
that
too
early?
Are
we
too
early
for
doing
that?
Now?
It's.
G
Packets
are
available
at
any
time,
and
there
will
be
assuming
that
we
keep
a
sub
Community
Planning
project
item
on
your
agenda.
There
will
be
materials
in
advance
which
may
be
the
study
session
packet
or
maybe
something
more
developed
in
response
to
the
feedback
from
counsel
your
question,
I'm
not
sure
I.
B
Realize
they're
online
and
that's
where
you
know
I
looked
at
them,
but
if
they
came
to
the
whole
to
have
as
a
whole
and
we're
in
our
packets,
it
seems
to
me
it
would
show
something
that
these
are
housing
issues
of
importance
to
the
board
and
the
whole
board
rather
than
me
just
deciding.
Are
you
just
deciding?
Oh
I'll
go
to
the
meeting
or
I'll?
Look
it
up
that
these
are
important
to
us.
These
are
relevant,
they're
housing
issues
and
we
have
the
packet
and
we
can
either
decide
to
have
staff.
B
You
know
answer
questions
or
not.
I
just
thought.
Those
are
two
really
relevant
topics
that
are
going
to
be
coming
up
for
us
in
the
future,
and
we've
had
preliminary
presentations
about
like
Alpine
balsam.
That
again
is
emerging
they're
not
coming
in
the
future,
and
we've
heard
different
iterations
of
them,
and
that
seemed
like
two
pretty
important
things
that
we
get
lots
of
emails
about
both
of
them.
D
You
know
the
problem
with
reading
the
City
Council
packet.
Is
they
bundle
it
everything
together?
They
don't
break
it
out
in
individual
topics
or
agenda
items.
Now
the
Planning
Board
Cindy
awesome
will
send
a
full
packet,
but
also
has
it
all
broken
out
and
I.
Think
that's
what
I
sent
you
all
this
sub
community
I
hope
you
got
it
and
again.
Sub
can
I,
send
it
to
the
habit,
dress.
H
D
H
D
A
Okay,
so
that
was
kind
of
off
topic
on
the
independent
study
a
little
bit,
but
so
we're
overall
good
with
the
blend.
Yes,
okay,
new
business
initial
discussion
of
process
to
develop
haves
annual
letter
to
City
Council.
So
too
destructive
discussion
did
everybody
read
Jeff's
Jeff
sent
out
examples
of
all
the
other
boards
letters
to
City
Council
from
last
year,
yeah,
yes,
so
I'm
curious.
A
We
have
to
come
up
with
process
or
met.
How
we
want
to
do
this
and
it's
not.
This
is
this
is
how
I
kind
of
see
this
is
one
of
three
parts
which
I
think
we'll
get
into
the
same
routine
of
how
City
Council
does
this
one
of
three
parts?
But
this
first
part
is
just
process
in
format,
not
what
the
content
is
and
not
how
we
want
to
go
about
that.
So
does
anybody
have
ideas
on
process
and
format
and
how
you'd
like
to
move
forward
on
developing
a
letter
to
City
Council
I
have.
B
A
question
first
crystal
is
is
my
understanding
that
the
board
is
very
likely
to
come
up
with
a
few
questions
this
year.
Do
you
have
any
idea
about
that
that
the
committee
for
deciding,
if
there's
questions
that
goes
to
everyone?
The
committee
is
Bob
Yates
and
Lisa
Moore's
L.
Do
you
know
anything
about
that
and
that's
just
like
last
year,
you're
asked
questions
in
your
letter
about
what
are
the
top
three
priorities.
You
see
for
the
city
that
oh
snap,
there
may
be
questions.
That's
a
good.
D
G
They
and,
as
you
noticed
in
the
letters
that
the
boards
and
commissions
wrote,
they
took
different
approaches
to
responding
to
those
questions.
Sometimes
they
limited
their
responses
to
those
questions.
Sometimes
they
expanded
beyond
that
I
think
there
were
a
couple
of
boards
and
commissions
that
did
not
provide
a
letter,
but
the
large
majority
did.
G
G
See
what
she
came
up
with
four
other
ways
that
it's
handled
you
have
plenty
of
ideas
on
how
to
approach
this.
It's
part
of
your
discussion
about
your
priorities
as
well
and
how
that
might
make
their
way
into
a
letter,
and
then
you
have
a
sitting
board.
Member
I,
don't
know
how
many
years
you've
participated
in
board
letter
process,
but
many
over
the
years.
So
a
lot
of
resources
for
you
to
figure
it
out.
Yeah.
A
It
seemed
when
I
was
reviewing
these,
like
the
top
three
questions
are
from
last
year
were:
how
do
you
think
the
city
could
improve
their
public
engagement
process
through
your
board,
and
what
do
you
think
the
city's
top
Street
priority
should
be
through
your
board
perspective,
and
what
do
you
think
that
will
be
the
city's
three
biggest
challenges
over
the
next
five
years?
So
it's
a
definitely
interesting.
Is
there
a
way
to
find
out
like
Judy
was
saying
whether
or
not
there'll
be
questions
this
year,
I.
B
B
Just
to
share
information
about
I've,
been
trying
to
talk
to
some
people
in
other
boards
and
trying
to
go
to
a
few
meetings
as
a
board
liaison
person
and
I've
noticed
that
some
boards
are
reactive
and
I,
don't
mean
reactive
in
a
negative
way.
I
mean
they
react
to
what
City
Council
wants
and
that's
pretty
much
what
they
do.
Some
seem
to
be
staff
driven
some
seem
to
be
board
driven.
B
Some
seem
to
be
both
reactive
and
proactive,
where
they
do
a
balance
of
what
council
wants,
but
also
try
to
bring
new
initiatives
to
councils
attention,
and
it
just
seems
like
in
our
discussion.
We
might
want
to
decide
or
discuss
a
little
bit.
How
we
see
ourselves,
which
which
of
those
do
we
see,
is
ourselves.
Ok,.
B
Described
well,
I
think
we
all
agree.
We
want
to
do
what's
in
councils
work
plan
I
think
we
all
agree
with
that.
Beyond
that
I
think
we
should
have
a
discussion.
Do
we
also
want
to
be
coming
up
for
some
initiatives
on
our
own,
like,
besides,
what's
in
the
council's
work
plan
that
we
decide
if
we
want
one,
two,
three
five
other
issues
for
the
year
that
we're
going
to
be
working
on?
Okay,
so
back
to
the
letter.
B
C
Yeah
I'm
not
so
sold
on
whatever
the
format
needs
to
be
at
this
point,
but
going
back
to
our
previous
conversation,
I
think
we
should
first
define
the
scope
of
what
we
want
to
tell
council.
So
we
just
give
ourselves
those
guidelines
right.
You
know
guardrails
right
off
the
start,
and
that
should
be
the
very
first
discussion
that
we
have
when
we
have
a
full
board
here
to
do
so.
H
C
Think
Judy
already
was
sort
of
laid
out
tactical
level
stuff.
You
know
what
our
accomplishments
I'm
saying.
Do
we
even
need
to
talk
accomplishments
at
this
point
in
the
board's
history
you
know:
was
it
more
important
that
we
just
talk
about
what
we
want
to
do
in
the
future?
I
just
still
think
we
have
some
definition
problems
about
what
the
board
has
done
and
we.
H
B
A
D
B
C
D
Finger
yeah,
so
let
me
turn
this
on
just
the
process
of
how
it's
going
to
come
about
whether
or
not
they
asked
for
the
City
Council
asks
for
answers
to
three
questions,
or
if
it's
just
please
give
us
your
ideas
about
things
that
the
City
Council
should
be
aware
of
or
interested
in,
and
what
you're
going
to
need
is
is
you're
going
to
need.
Probably
when
you
get
that
letter
that
everybody
that's
what
I
would
suggest
everyone
looks
at,
it
sends
their
ideas
into
one
person,
so
you're
not
having
a
serial
meeting.
D
That's
them,
that's
the
thing
the
Planning
Board
always
tries
to
avoid,
and
so
sometimes
Cindy
who's.
The
administrative
assistant
will
gather
those
up,
sometimes
we'll
just
send
it
to
pick
one
board
member
and
then
the
next
meeting.
We
we
all,
we
all,
have
a
big
list.
Whoever
gets
that
just
just
come
by
compiles
it
cuts
in
paces
pace
verbatim,
and
then
we
have
a
meeting
where
we
kind
of
discuss
that
and
hash
it
out.
D
D
G
D
And
it's
just
depends
on.
You
can
ask
every
council,
member
and
they'd
have
a
different
response.
I
mean
I'm,
more
of
a
graphic
person,
so
have
things
bowled
it
out
and
handful
at
points.
That's
fine
with
me
I
really
like
it.
You
know,
so
it
really
depends
on
who
you're
asking
but
clarity
to
the
point
prioritize.
D
B
A
comment
and
I
have
a
question
for
you
crystal
as
I
understand
the
process
to
make
sure
that
every
letter
from
a
board
or
Commission
is
read
well
and
given
attention.
Besides
the
fact
that
everyone
can
read
everything
each
board
member
is
assigned
at
random
several
board
letters
and
then
at
the
retreat
they
give,
or
at
least
this
is
what
happened
last
time.
D
B
The
question
I
have
for
you
is
obviously
in
this
letter.
Besides
saying,
we
want
to
do
all
the
things
that
council
wants,
and
it
seems
like
this
year,
you
want
to
do
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
the
things
that
we
decide.
We
want
to
do
ourselves.
How
did
you
like?
How
do
you
arrive
at
that
like?
How
do
you
suggest
we
arrive
at
that.
A
B
I
saw
in
one
case
there
was
a
minority
opinion.
I
guess
you
always
can
do
that
in
one
of
the
letters
somebody
put
I
think
it
was
in
the
transportation
department.
Somebody
did
their
minority
letter,
no
I
mean
the
things
we
decide
to
put
in
the
letter
about
what
we
want
our
priorities
to
be
one
of
them,
I
assume
is
going
to
be.
We
want
to
do
you
know,
what's
on
the
council
work
plan,
but
other
initiatives
that
we
want
to
be
put
in.
B
B
D
Yeah
we
we
have
some
charter
responsive
yeah,
so
we
can
it's
usually
with
the
site
planning
and
then
we
have
some
responsibilities
fun.
We
have
to
recommend
on
the
CIP
for
every
single
Department
in
the
city,
so
we
have
a
big
CIP
process,
so
we're
informed
about
that.
But
what's
that
mean
the
capital
improvement
program
for
all
the
different
departments?
D
But
I,
wouldn't
a
few
of
things
that
you
feel
that
you
or
I
think
you
should
just
say:
we'd
like
we're
gonna,
be
we're
suggesting
that
we
work
on
these
things,
get
input
and
would
like
to
form
a
recommendation
or
are
going
to
form
a
recommendation
and
bring
it
back
to
you
I.
Don't
you
never
divided
up
into
categories
yeah,
I.
G
Think
it's
important
for
the
board
to,
through
its
process,
arrive
at
a
consensus
on
what
any
recommendations
might
be.
More
suggestions
might
be
if
they're,
not
on
the
council
work
plan
if
they
are
not
supported
across
the
whole
group,
that's
going
to
really
weaken
your
ability
to
provide
a
clear
message.
This
is
something
community
really
needs
to
wrestle
with.
Yes,.
A
To
that
end,
my
recommendation
for
the
process
portion
of
this
is
I
like
how
you're
talking
about
with
the
format
Judy
yeah
I'm,
not
and
I'm.
Also
with
you
in
that
I,
don't
know
that
we
need
I
like
the
idea
of
a
scoping
versus
our
accomplishments
or
anything
along
those
lines,
but
in
particular
I
was
thinking
about
that
today
is
how
do
we
reach
in
the
next
one
like?
How
are
we
gonna
funnel
down
to
a
consensus
on
these
a
few
initiatives
that
we
want
to
recommend?
A
Of
like
last
the
end
of
last
meeting,
but
that
was
a
fire
around,
and
maybe
we
have
some
more
time
to
really
think
about
really.
What
would
you
like
to
see
and
the
top
three
things
that
we
would
write
about,
and
this
is
something
we
don't
know
answers
now
just
sit
with
it.
Let
jock
sit
with
it,
he'll
be
watching
this
afterwards
and
and
then
maybe
what
we
do
before
the
next
meeting
is.
A
A
B
Think,
there's
something
we
need
to
take
into
consideration
if
it's
possible
for
you
to
send
the
work
plan
again.
The
the
City
Council's
2018-2019
work
plan
to
us
again,
and
we
look
at
that
because
we
don't
need
to
put
anything
in
the
additional
things
we
want
to
do.
The
City
Council
is
already
taking
up.
This
will
be.
We
do
want
to
do
all
of
that.
We
all
agree.
We
want
to
do
with
City.
B
Council
wants
us
to
do,
but
this
would
be
for
one
two,
three
four
five,
however
many
initiatives
we
decide,
we
want
to
do
an
addition
than
that,
so
we
don't
need
to
like,
like
I'm,
not
going
to
put
middle-income
housing
because
that's
on
the
work
plan,
but
tiny
houses,
I,
don't
think,
is
on
the
work
plan.
I'm
I,
don't
know
if
those
are.
If.
G
B
G
G
B
G
A
Of
feel
like
at
this
point
that
we
just
crossed
that
bridge
when
it
comes
to
it
and
we'll
figure
all
these
elements
out
when
we
get
to
it
and
if
they
don't
make
the
decision
they
don't
and
it's
like
having
the
adopted
child
that
you
don't
know.
You're
gonna
receive
at
some
point.
So,
let's
just
move
forward
with
what
we
have
to
get
done
and
when
we
get
to
that
point,
we
can
cross
that
bridge.
D
One
more
thing
is,
since
you
did
go
to
the
effort
of
doing
a
community
engagement
process
to
get
opinions
from
the
public.
I
think
it
would
be
great
to
be
able
to
at
least
reference
that,
and
if
any
of
you
have
a
priority
that
was
brought
up
numerous
times
from
the
public
or
whatever
just
say.
If
you
could
even
have
one
ask
your
s
and
put
it
down
at
the
bottom,
and
that's.
A
B
To
have
an
opportunity
to
each
try
and
I,
don't
give
a
sales
pitch
I
guess
for
our
three
priorities
and
have
people
decide
rather
than
I,
don't
I
I
would
rather
myself
not
do
a
poll
where
the
top
three
get
I'd
like
to
do
it
discussion
and
consensus
in
some
way
on
those
items,
rather
than
just
have
whatever
three
priorities.
Oh
these
three,
everyone
agreed
on
you
know
rather
I'd,
rather
do
that
anything
else.
G
Given
the
time
of
year,
it
probably
doesn't
have
to
be
nailed
down
tonight,
but
you
have
potentially
only
three
meetings
before
this
letter
would
be
due
and
given
the
newness
of
this
process
and
not
just
the
process,
but
also
the
prioritization
exercise.
I
think
it
might
be
useful
to
sketch
out
how
it's
going
to
move
forward.
You've
got.
It
sounds
to
me
a
first
step
of
asking
everyone
to
be
thoughtful
about
what
priorities.
G
Currently
you
are
thinking.
I
heard
Judy
just
suggest
a
second
step
which
is
to
take
those
have
an
open
discussion
about
them.
But
it's
not
clear
to
me
how
you
would
proceed
after
that.
I,
don't
know
if
that's
something
you
want
to
work
on
tonight,
but
I
think
that
earlier
you
have
a
full
roadmap
laid
out
the
easier
it
will
be
for
you
to
to
get
to
the
destination
on
time
as
it
were.
Yes,.
A
My
guess
is
and
add
to
it.
If
your
is
in
round
two
when
Cori
compiles
it
and
Drock
would
be
here
that
to
me
would
be
the
time
that
that's
why
we're
compiling
it
is
to
have
a
see
where
we
meet,
have
a
discussion
about
it
and
see
if
we
can
whittle
down
or
be
somewhat
on
the
same
page
of
whatever
those
initiatives
are.
A
Wordsmith,
those
last
ones
together
and
present
a
letter
for
round
three
and
then
round
three
would
be.
Is
this
where
we,
and
maybe
what
can
happen
between
round
two
and
round
three?
Is
that
the
person
wordsmiths
it
sends
it
out
and
anybody
can
make
their
changes
and
send
it
to
Cory,
and
we
can
condense
that
down
again
to
one
maybe
I,
don't
know
and
then
round.
3
would
be
the
take
with
the
condensed
letter
from
Cory
and
review.
B
A
I
was
just
suggesting
that
we
send
to
Cory
before
the
next
meeting
the
three
initiatives,
so
you
suggested
a
framework
of
three
singing
of
things
that
we
want
to
do
that
our
City
Council
related
and
that
are
on
their
agendas
that
we
will
be
doing
no
matter.
What
and
a
few
initiatives
that
we
want
to
recommend.
So
to
get
to
the
point
of
the
few
initiatives
that
we
want
to
recommend.
A
A
A
No
send
it
send
it
for
the
compilation.
So
if
your
three
initiatives
are
say,
tiny
houses
middle-income
this
way
and
something
else
you
can,
it
could
be
a
purse
way.
The
pair
grow
up
graph
on
I
think
have
should
focus
on
this
because
of
this.
This
and
this
so
that
when
we
get
the
compilation,
we
can
look
at
it
and
go.
Thank.
A
B
B
G
A
B
Can
I
I'm
gonna
say
a
Robert's
Rules
of
Order
point
of
clarification,
I
don't
even
know
if
that's
the
right
term
for
this,
but
this
does
not
need
to
include
like
anything
that
Adam
and
I
do
for
public
engagement,
where
we're
not
asking
for
recommendation
but
we're
just
putting
on
vents,
to
get
public
input
and
to
try
and
build
towards
consensus
and
isn't
that
that
we
can
mention
that
in
the
letter.
But
that's
not
one
of
our
priorities
or
or
is
it?
B
C
This
is
where
the
separation
I
see
is
the
things
that
we're
sort
of
trying
to
work
on
with
these
three
topics
are
special
committees
that
have,
hopefully
some
ultimate
recommendation
associated
with
them,
or
at
least
some
work.
That's
gonna
go
to
Council
for
review
right,
whereas
the
ongoing
sort
of
committees
are
just
things
that
we
do
as
a
board
that
are
constant,
so
they
don't
need
to
be
part
of.
A
A
For
that
to
be
designated
more
staff,
resources
or
workload,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
we're
not
asking
them
to
put
it
on
their
work
plan,
because
it's
already
on
their
work
print
like
Alpine,
balsam,
Cu,
regional
housing,
all
that's
already
on
their
work
pants.
So
this
would
be
special
so
like
with
the
ami,
if
you've
decided,
you
really
wanted
to
move
forward
with
it.
We
need
to.
We
need
more
resources
for
research.
We
could
be
putting
that
as
your
initiative
to
ask
counsel
for
this,
and
this
is
why
okay.
B
But
also
do
we
say
if
we're
gonna
have
a
vigorous
engagement
plan
and
we're
really
taking
public
engagement
seriously
and
we're
planning
on
having
three
to
six
events
during
the
year
where
we
try
and
get
public
engagement
number
one
I
think
counsel
would
want
to
know
that
and
number
two
I
want
to
make
sure
that
nobody
would
say
to
me
an
Adam.
Well,
you
can't
do
that,
because
that
wasn't
one
of
our
priorities.
B
So
that's
why
I
want
to
talk
about
it
now,
just
a
bit
like
how
that
I
don't
care
how
it
fits
I
just
want
it
to
be.
I
do
think
that
council
will
be
interested
in
doing
that,
because
we're
doing
something
that's
really
of
high
interest
to
them
is
trying
to
build
consensus
with
the
public,
I
think,
but
I
don't
know
if
that
needs
to
be
suggested
as
a
priority.
If
that's
separate,
how
does
it
strike
you?
Yes,
that.
G
I
think
you
could
approach
it
either
way
if
it
is
a
something
that
you
feel
is
so
important
to
the
community
discussion
of
housing
issues
that
you
want
to
tell
council
that
you're
making
it
a
priority,
then
you
should
do
that
or
you
could
say
you
know.
We
feel
like
these
two
three
one
topic
areas
are
really
ripe:
they're,
not
on
the
work
plan.
G
We
think
they
should
be,
and
we
also
are
going
to
continue
working
to
engage
the
community
on
housing
issues
as
a
report
on
what
activities
you
plan
to
undertake
I
could
see
it
either
way,
depending
on
what
emphasis
you
want
to
put
on
it
and
what
you
hope
council
might
do
in
reaction
to
your
communication.
That
makes
sense
crystal
yes.
A
So
how
about
a
hybrid,
where
you
get
your
three
initiatives
and
then,
if
you're,
looking
at
public
engagement
and
you,
because
in
the
committee's
you're,
coming
back
to
the
board
anyway
for
our
group
consensus
as
to
whether
or
not
it's
a
project
that
moves
forward,
not
just
city
council.
So
maybe
do
your
three
initiatives
that
are
priority
for
you
and
if
you
have
something
that
you
think
is
going
to
be
so
big
and
a
larger
scope
to
add
that
and
then
at
least
we
it's
in
our
purview.
Does
that
make
sense.
Yeah.
C
I'm,
just
thinking
through
this
in
my
head,
everything
we
have
listed
under
Standing
Committee
reports.
Those
aren't
things
that
we're
going
to
council
with
pretty
much
ever.
Those
are
things
that
are
important
to
our
board.
We're
trying
to
work
through
and
yeah
they'll,
probably
help
council
along
the
way,
because
they're,
mostly
processes
that
help
us
get
to
some
solutions
to
bigger
problems.
But
it's
those
bigger
problems
that
actually
are
ending
up
on
the
council's
work,
work
plan
and
those
all
fit
under
special
committee
reports.
So
I
don't
feel
like
we
need
to
put.
B
C
C
Yeah
I
mean
there's
gonna,
be
a
part.
I
feel
like
in
the
letter
where
we
say
we
feel
the
board
is
as
a
whole
like
what
are
what
we're
trying
to
do
with
the
community,
as
liaison
between,
let's
go
yeah,
the
community
and
the
and
the
council.
So
that's
sort
of
like
to
me
a
body
paragraph
where
the
three
points
are
each
separate
themselves:
okay,.
B
We
weren't
thinking
of
doing
it
as
my
Minority
Report.
We
were
thinking
of
doing
it,
it's
just
we'd,
say
the
three
priorities
and
then
I
would
say.
Additionally,
engagement,
public
engagement
is
very
important
to
the
board.
It
would
be
from
all
of
us
that
wouldn't
be
from
just
me
anything
and
we
will
be
doing
between
three
and
six
public
engagement,
outreach
efforts
during
the
year.
A
Thank
you
for
that
and,
as
I
finish,
what
I'm
saying
is
that
what
I'm
hoping
for
in
this
is
that
we
work
towards
consensus
and
that
the
letter
feels
congruent
and
all
together.
I
know
how
you
might
feel
that
that
sounds.
But
what
I'm
it's
my
one
priority
after
this
letter
is
that
we
all
work
towards
something
so
I
when
I
heard
what
he
said,
I'm
just
trying
to
make
clear
that
this
is
a
goal.
I
have
whether
it's
for
the
whole
board.
It's
something
that
we'll
vote
on.
A
C
A
And
that's
a
this
lens.
This
whole
discussion
lends
to
a
great
point
of
we've,
never
done
the
work
around
our
core
principles.
We've
never
done
the
work
around
who
we
are
and
what
it
is
that
we
really
are
striving
for.
So
when
we
talk
about
even
with
these
smaller
committees
about
having
our
scopes
and
our
Y
statements,
that's
why
we
do
these
four.
C
D
A
G
G
As
the
principle
stakeholders
in
this
strategic
discussion,
you'll
see
that
it
is
framed
in
some
ways
a
little
differently
than
some
in
that
there
is
a
very
clear
adopted
policy
that
the
council
has
maintained
for
many
years
now,
that
is,
to
preserve
and
expand
manufactured
housing
as
a
housing
option,
that's
very
important
to
the
community.
So
that
isn't
really
up
for
discussion.
G
So
that's
the
approach
we've
we
are
suggesting
we
are
just.
It
has
been
shared
out
for
comment
to
the
stakeholders.
Just
like
it's
being
shared
with
you.
We
would
anticipate
as
far
as
your
involvement,
if
this
project
moves
forward
in
this
way,
that
you
would
be
seeing
a
recommended
list
or
proposed
list
of
prioritized
actions
sometime
late
first
quarter,
maybe
early
second
quarter
of
next
year
for
your
input
and
passing
that,
along
with
the
recommendation
to
Council
first
half
of
next
year.
So
that's
a
really
brief
overview.
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
about
it.
G
Are
not
constraining
it
upfront,
so
we're
trying
to
assemble
it
list
as
possible
and
then
work
towards
some
priorities,
which
will
mean
winnowing
that
down
so
certainly
local
law
changes
or
advocating
for
state
law
changes
our
actions
that
could
help
us
with
achieving
our
policy
goals.
But
there
are
many
other
things
that
could
be
done
as
well,
that
don't
involve
ordinances
or
advocating
for
state
legislation
and
how.
G
Preservation
is
probably
a
higher
priority,
given
the
very
limited
land
availability
we
have
and
the
amount
of
land
it
takes
to
expand
mobile
home
parks,
but
as
there
are
opportunities
to
fulfill
that
policy
direction,
we
would
be
proposing
if
there
is
a
land
use.
Decision
to
be
made
to
a
particularly
one
that
might
involve
residential
land
use
is
that
a
manufactured
housing
community
be
considered
as
one
of
the
options
there
I.
G
It's
difficult
to
reach
1,200
households
of
any
grouping.
I
would
say
there
is
an
active
group
called
the
coalition
manufactured
housing
owners,
a
boulder
that
has
people
from
each
of
the
manufactured
housing
communities
participating
in
it
I'll,
be
there
tomorrow
night
to
begin
the
conversation
with
them
about
how
to
best
engage
with
the
member,
the
residents
of
each
Park,
which
could
take
different
forms
for
each
Park.
The
the
scope
as
you'll
see
addresses
the
four
parks
that
are
within
the
city
limits.
G
There
are
two
that
could
potentially
be
an
X,
so
that
would
be
one
way
of
expand.
It
wouldn't
expand
the
number
of
tuna
tease.
It
would
expand
the
prevalence
of
that
option
inside
the
city
and
those
are
not.
As
far
as
I
know,
the
owners
of
those
parts
are
not
requested
or
not
interested
in
annexation,
so
expanding
it
as
an
opportunity
in
terms
of
numbers,
is
going
to
be
new
Park.
G
So,
yes,
it
will
be
difficult
to
reach
them
all.
One
of
the
elements
of
this
plan
we're
very
excited
about
is
working
with
the
Boulder,
affordable
housing
research
initiative.
As
a
grouping
of
Cu
students
faculty
to
conduct
a
survey
of
mobile
home
park
residents
to
try
and
get
some
more,
if
not
statistically,
valid,
at
least
more
less
anecdotal
understanding
of
who
actually
lives
in
the
parks
and
what
their
situations
are
in
desires.
So
as
that
effort,
unwinds,
we'll
have
a
better
sense
of
how
wide
and
thorough
our
our
connection
with
those
1,200
households
can
be.
G
B
G
A
G
G
Thank
you.
The
update
I
wanted
to
give.
You
was
tonight's
event
that
I
mentioned
UO
I
was
putting
on
for
Alpine
balsam,
which
created
a
conflict
is
my
understanding
is
or
I
was
told
that
it
would
be
Tate
degree
and
that
presentation,
and
potentially
some
of
the
discussion
would
be
available
for
viewing.
So
if
you
have
an
interest
in
that,
yes
send
it
out,
maybe
we
will
send
out
the
link.
Yes,
that'd.
G
G
G
Already
said,
that
26
would
not
make
sense
to
me
taint,
as
would
be
the
fourth
Wednesday
of
your
standard
meeting,
so
that
meeting
I
has
been
I.
Think
you
have
scheduled
it
for
the
12th
rather
than
not
scheduled
it,
and
then
the
complication
of
October
10th,
which
would
be
the
second
Wednesday
in
October,
is
that
one
member
of
the
for
current
seated
members
is
not
available,
and
whether
you
want
to
continue
any
of
your
conversations
then
as
a
decision
you
need
to
make
tonight.
So
we
can
schedule
that
and
get
an
agenda
together
is.
A
G
G
A
H
B
G
A
G
I
think
the
question
that
came
up
is
a
couple
of
times
tonight
about
the
new
member
and
to
what
extent
the
person
would
have
an
opportunity
to
participate
if
without
knowing
exactly
when
that
will
be
it's
kind
of
hard
to
plan
around,
but
presumably
the
further
in
the
future.
The
discussions
happen,
the
greater
likelihood
you'll
have
a
fifth
member
appointed
I'm,
not
sure
if
it's
worth
incorporating
that
and
your
scheduling
or
not,
given
that
we
don't
know
when
that.
B
Think
that
makes
sense,
I'm
I'm
in
favor
of
scheduling
for
the
second
Wednesday,
both
in
October
and
November,
and
if
we
zoom
through
everything
so
fast
that
we
feel
we
don't
need
the
second,
the
second
Wednesday
in
November.
We
can
then
decide
that,
but
I'd
sure
like
to
have
it
scheduled
just
in
case
we
need
it.
A
G
To
just
be
sure,
we
understand
and
are
you
asking
for
it
sounds
like
you
there
you
do
want
to
proceed
with
two
meetings
in
October
two
meetings
in
November.
It's
not
clear
to
me
if
you
would
want
your
three
priorities
in
time
for
the
first
meeting
in
October
or
the
second
meeting
in
October,
2nd,
2nd
meeting
yeah.
That's
clear!
Thank
you.
Ok,.
A
C
C
A
You
and
I
usually
meet,
so
we
would
be
meeting
October
17th
so
to
have
everybody's
by
then,
so
we
can
put
it
on
the
agenda,
so
the
date
would
be
your
three
initiatives
to
Cory
no
later
than
October.
17Th.
No
it'd
have
to
be
before
that
because
you'd
have
to
combine
them.
So
we
need
it
to
her
by,
let's
say
the
Monday,
the
fifth
don't
hit
12
gentl.
G
A
G
A
A
Then,
even
further
from
that,
that's
the
first
reading
on
the
letter,
so
any
major
changes
would
occur
and
then
we
could
potentially
have
final
reading
on
the
28th
of
November.
So
the
letter
could
be
ready
by
then
and
that
way,
if
we
have
any
big
snafus
or
something
presents
itself
that
we're
like
we've
got
to
back
up
and
redo
this.
We
have
the
meeting
in
December
yeah.
Okay,
so
that's
our
fallback,
but
we
want
to
have
it.
The
goal
is
prepared
by
the
28th
Jeff.
B
G
A
G
G
It's
in
November,
so
the
October
is
a
is
a
yeah
opportunity
to
learn
about
it
to
start
developing
your
questions,
I'm
thinking
to
have
give
some
time
for
you
to
ask
for
additional
information.
If
you
need
it
for
the
month
later,
essentially
could
come
back
with
any
additional
information.
You
would
want
so.
A
As
a
point
of
process
on
this,
as
we
do
things
like
this-
that
we're
gonna
we're
called
to
make
a
recommendation
so,
for
instance,
like
this
12%
goal,
Eden
I
would
be
curious
if
we
could
do
a
three
rounder
like
city
council
does
so
that's
round.
One
introduction
in
reading
round
two
would
be
answering
questions
formulating
our
response
and
three
is
the
prepared
that
goes
off
so
that
we
have
does
that
make
sense.
You
know
similar
to
what
the
City
Council
does.
A
Then
that
way,
we
have
a
little
breathing
room
in
there,
where
we
can
take
it
in
ourselves,
figure
out
any
questions
we
have
presenting
back
at
number.
Two
get
some
answers,
be
able
to
discuss
with
ourselves
whittle
down
any
decisions
that
we
might
make
and
prepare
who's
ever
going
to
prepare
the
recommendation
so
that
it's
ready
by
three
does
that
feel
comfortable
I.
Think.
B
D
Well,
planning
board
is
so
you
mean
on
whoa
on
lamb
juice
recommendations
which
are
different
than
our
quasi-judicial
crossing
traditional
or
just
by
a
schedule.
We
get
a
concept
plan,
then
they
come
back
with
the
site
review.
That's
where
we
make
a
recommendation
with
legislative
things
will
often
have
a
study
session
just
like
on
the
sub
Community
Plan.
We
haven't
had
large
lots
yet,
but
I
did
notice,
planning
board
I
looked
at
their
timetable.
D
Study
session
is
often
the
staff
coming
and
scoping
out
the
whole,
the
whole
kit
and
caboodle,
and
it
has
a
public
engagement
piece
in
it
and
if
council
excuse
me
at
the
same
time,
well
they'll
talk
about
what
they're
gonna
do
as
far
as
public
engagement
goes
so
yeah,
but
they
see
it
over
quite
a
long
period
of
time.
I
was
just
looking
at
the
large
lot
one,
because
if
you
want
to
bring
up
tiny
homes
that
seems
like
it
fit
nicely
and
that
that's
not
going
to
come
back
till
decisions
in
2019,
so.
A
D
Just
like
the
mobile
home,
one
that
Jeff
they
were
presented
tonight,
there
was
a
link
to
the
2015
memo,
which
has
a
whole
bunch
of
background.
Now
things
change
within
three
years,
but
yeah
you
might
just
have
a
tracking
list,
and
so
people
can
get
up
to
date.
I
actually
find
it
really
helpful
to
get
in
early
to
understand
the
process
and
see
how
it's
evolving.
So
you
don't
have
to
absorb
everything
all
at
once
at
one.
D
A
B
D
G
It's
at
the
moment
we
have
a
reasonable
idea
of
what
items
councils
working
on
when
they'll
be
coming
along,
but
we
don't
have
a
specific
timing.
Many
of
these
projects
are
just
kind
of
getting
going
as
you've
noticed
subcommittee
planning
large
lots,
Alpine
Paulson.
Can
he
benefit
so
as
they
move
forward
in
a
more
concrete
project
plan
and
calendar
is
developed,
that'll
start
to
fill
in
your
schedule,
so
we'll
keep
that
up
to
date,
as
we
can.
Okay.
H
C
A
G
When
the
regional
housing
goal
discussion
was
postponed,
we
tried
to
organize
a
fair
housing
overview.
We,
we
believe,
probably
the
best
presenters
for
that
we're
from
the
Colorado
Civil
Rights
Division,
which
have
a
eye
towards
housing
policy
implications
rather
than
kind
of
implementation
on
the
ground
of
fair
housing
rules.
G
So
we
will,
if,
unless
what
I?
Unless
there's
a
concern
about
the
timing,
we
will
go
ahead
and
try
and
find
out
what
their
availability
is
and
schedule
that,
as
an
informational
item,
the
opportunity
for
a
Q&A
and
I
would
recommend
unless
I
don't
know
whether
they
would
be
open
to
the
idea
of
the
abbreviated
presentation
or
whether
they
prefer
a
more
in-depth
one.
If
you
want
it
as
a
independent
study
item
we'll
we'll
see,
if
that's
something
that
they're
comfortable
with
I,
don't.
A
C
G
G
G
10Th
and
the
24th
10th
is
3
to
6
and
24th
is
evening,
meaning
no
problem.
This
is
going
backward
a
little
bit.
One
thought
came
up,
that
is
I,
don't
know
if
it's
clear,
which
is.
Are
you
asking
the
ex
officio
member
from
Planning
Board
and
if
there
is
a
TRG
input
to
your
priorities
for
the
annual
letter?
Do
you
want
that
or
not
you.
G
G
C
C
A
I
would
really
like
us
to
just
remember
to
honor
when
somebody's
speaking
and
not
talking
over
the
top
of
them
are
cutting
them
off.
Just
because
we're
passionate
about
something
just
giving
people
in
you
know
I
have
to
find
too
is
not.
Everything
needs
a
rebuttal
just
allowing
things
to
unfold
and
influence
or
breathe
into
it.
So
yeah
I
mean
I
feel
like
we're
getting
better
and
better
at
that
every
meeting
we
have
so
it's
nice.