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A
If
anybody
else
has
anything
for
the
agenda,
besides,
what
I
have
doesn't
look
like
it.
So
if
you
notice
I
sent
out
an
email
this
morning,
we
have
had
the
good
fortune
of
having
the
opportunity
for
an
update
on
the
state
legislative
agenda.
What's
going
on
for
them,
and
so
we
are
adding
it
in
at
the
last
minute
here.
So
I
would
like
to
put
forth
emotion
that
we.
E
F
A
A
G
Yes,
what
everyone
needs
to
not
be
homeless
is
to
have
a
house,
you
know,
but
see.
We
have
this
problem
in
Boulder
we're
building
as
fast
as
we
can
as
high
as
we
can.
In
fact,
in
discussion
today
with
Harburg
the
former
utility
director
Edward
Stafford
and
a
number
of
folks
I
mean
he
was
saying
yeah.
G
If
you
could
build
tiny
homes
and
stack
them
up,
then
you'd
have
a
draw
on
the
capacity
of
the
utility
system
for
water
sewer,
and
that
was
such,
but
we
don't,
but
the
value
is
sunk
in
the
land
and,
as
I
heard
one
of
these
lost
meetings,
someone
was
complaining:
their
rents
going
up
three
times
for
their
lot
on
their
mobile
home,
cheapest
housing
in
Boulder
and
now
we're
taking
that
away
at
Ponderosa.
So
what
are
we
gonna
do
here?
G
You
got
to
go
to
the
source
you
got
to
go
to
the
core,
or
else
all
you're
gonna
do
is
be
fighting
your
way
in
circles.
Chasing
your
tail,
we've
got
a
balanced
jobs,
housing
and
you
are
not
in
an
illustrious
position
and
I
I.
Don't
envy
your
position
as
the
housing
Advisory
Board,
because
you
can't
do
right?
Okay,
you
can't
because
there's
not
an
integrated
system
operating
here.
We
need
sub-area
plants.
We
need
this
housing
crisis
dealt
with
on
a
major
scale.
Planning
Board.
G
That's
what
I
was
told
you
have
to
rezone
because
they
don't
go
into
the
present
code.
So
what
are
you
gonna,
rezone
and
and
sprinkler
systems
if
they're
relevant
for
me,
they're
sure
gonna
be
relevant
for
tiny
homes
that
are
in
the
same
parameter
and
have
the
same
fire
danger
and
we've
got
a
five-minute
occurrence
now.
You
know,
we've
got
a
20-minute
response
now
and
a
five-minute
is
what
we're
we
need
to
do.
So
that's
what
went
through
on
the
codes
is
we
need.
G
H
I
asked
if
I
could
introduce
this
section.
This
is
the
trends
report
it's
put
out
every
two
years
by
the
community
datian
serving
Boulder
County
when
I
was
working
in
nonprofits
I
couldn't
wait
for
it
to
come
out
because
that's
how
we
validated
the
data
that
we
use
to
apply
for
funding
and
now
that
I
am
retired
I
can
enjoy
much
more
of
the
reports
and
I
really
paid
attention
to
before
I
loved
it.
H
It
has
gorgeous
pictures
great
stories
and
deals
has
separate
chapters
on
all
sorts
of
issues
like
the
environment,
the
arts,
all
sorts
of
issues.
We
have
asked
Chris
to
come
tonight
to
talk
just
about
housing
issues
in
Boulder,
County
and
Chris
is
the
vice
president
of
strategic
initiatives
at
the
Community
Foundation,
and
really
spearheaded
putting
this
together.
I
think
so,
I'm
very
happy
to
have
him
here,
and
this
is
Chris
Berg.
Thank.
I
You
everyone
thank
you
Judy
I
understand.
We
have
30
minutes
in
the
first
half
of
that
15
minutes
I'll
be
pointing
out
the
highlights
from
our
housing
indicators,
and
then
we
can
spend
15
minutes
just
kind
of
Q&A
informal
conversation.
This
will
be
a
great
lead-in
to
Danika
talking
about
the
home,
wanted
campaign
and
also
certainly
hearing
from
the
state
level
voice.
So,
let's
dive
right
in
what
you've
got
in
front
of
you
is
the.
I
As
Judy
said,
the
trends
magazine
it
comes
out
every
two
years,
we're
also
going
year-round
now,
there's
a
podcast
in
partnership
with
kgn
you.
We
have
Boulder
County's
first
bilingual
reporter
now
at
kgn
you
doing
a
trans.
Podcast
comes
out
every
few
weeks
and
first,
several
podcasts
have
been
really
emphasizing
housing
issues
so
worth
taking
a
look.
If
you
just
go
over
to
kg
and
use
website
or
ours,
let's
dive
right
in
so
the
community
foundation
is
able
to
do
the
trends
report
we've
been
now.
This
is
our
11th
edition.
I
So,
let's
dive
into
our
economy
and
housing
and
start
off
with
the
chart
that
I
call
the
most
consequential
indicator
in
our
whole
magazine.
This
is
what's
been
going
on
with
home
prices
over
the
last
15
years.
As
you
know,
they've
doubled
everywhere
in
Boulder
County.
The
navy
blue
line
on
top
is
the
price
of
an
average
Boulder
home,
which
we
know
is
medium
prices,
hovering
right
around
a
million
dollars
by
now
and
all
the
other
cities
have
followed
the
same
pattern.
I
I
I
According
to
the
Longmont
housing
affordability,
review
of
Boulder
county
wide
real
estate
in
2017,
there
are
quote
no
entry-level
housing
options
left.
In
fact
they
they
they
say.
Costs
have
risen
so
high
that
there's
a
complete
end
to
affordable
housing.
So
when
we
talk
about
what
percent
of
the
housing
stock
is
affordable,
it
just
depends
on
what
your
cut
point
is.
The
cut
point
used
to
be
a
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
until
just
a
couple
of
years
ago
for
a
condo
or
250,000
for
a
single-family
dwelling
unit.
You
can
see
on
this
chart.
I
We
caught
up
with
Nicki
and
Noah
Larson
for
this
year's
trends
report
Trends
magazine
the
way
we
like
to
do
it
is.
We
look
at
150
ways
to
look
at
the
social,
economic
and
environmental
health
of
the
community.
Then
we
talk
with
experts
about
as
David
Letterman
used
to
say.
Is
this
a
thing
when
we
confirm
that
it
is,
then
we
look
for
our
neighbors
who
are
in
the
middle
of
whatever
this
trend
points
to,
and
then
we
tell
the
story
from
their
point
of
view.
So
this
is
Nicki
and
no
Larson.
I
They
spent
10
years
in
Boulder.
They
were
renting.
They
felt
like
model
citizens,
they
helped
out
after
the
four-mile
fire
they
stubbed
for
various
candidates
and
issues,
and
when
it
came
time
to
buy
a
house,
they
realized
that
their
price
point
was
in
wheatridge
and
that's
where
they're
pictured
on
the
front
stoop
of
their
wheatridge
home,
which
they
owned
proudly
now,
and
so
they
according
to
Nicki,
how
a
community
approaches
housing
is
really
the
question
of
who
it
wants
to
live
there.
I
I
Owner-Occupied
housing,
those
who
are
spending
more
than
30%
on
their
mortgage,
is
one
out
of
four
people
in
Boulder
and
renters
spending
more
than
30%
of
their
income
is
61
percent
of
the
renters
in
Boulder.
That's
the
generally
accepted
benchmark,
as
you
know,
if
you're
spending
more
than
30%
of
your
monthly
take-home
on
rent,
then
you're
out
of
whack,
and
you
can
see
that
we
are
higher
than
the
US
averages
and
both
those
metrics.
I
So
Boulder
is
the
sixth
most
expensive
metro
for
home
prices
in
the
United
States.
According
to
the
National
Association
of
Realtors,
people
are
constantly
finding
creative
ways
to
live
here
and
so
there's
a
story
in
our
magazine
of
roommate's
hollyanne,
Giffen
and
Fiona
peejoe.
They
met
on
Craigslist,
looking
for
a
place
to
rent
and
they
ran
into
place
together.
I
They
got
along
great
their
platonic
friends
and
they
decided
to
co-invest
one
of
them
works
at
Twitter
and
that
made
it
possible
for
them
to
create
a
strategy
where
the
the
roommate
with
the
higher
income
would
have
more
equity
in
the
home
because
she
was
putting
down
more
and
they
made
that
work
and
they're
making
the
point
that
you
know
they
acknowledge
they
couldn't
have
done
it
if
Fiona
didn't
work
at
Twitter
and
in
Boulder.
The
reality
is
that
you
need
two
incomes
and
you
need
at
least
one
that's
higher
than
average.
I
I
Child
care
costs
rival
housing.
It's
really
like
paying
college
tuition
almost
for
young
families
that
are
trying
to
make
a
go
of
Boulder.
That's
why
you
on
average
see
you
know,
you're,
seeing
less
and
less
families
with
children
here
in
Boulder,
they're
living
east
of
here
and
you'll
cost
of
child
care
here
is
almost
twice
what
it
would
be
just
down
the
road
in
Pueblo.
I
So
when
we
talk
about,
you
know
financial
struggles
of
our
of
our
neighbors.
It's
important
to
understand
that
the
federal
poverty
level
is
sort
of
not
relevant
to
the
cost
of
living.
The
self
sufficiency
standard
has
been
measured
to
be
about
three
and
a
half
times
the
federal
poverty
level,
so
it's
not
really
until
you're
making
three
hundred
and
fifty
percent
of
the
federal
poverty
level
that
you
are
really
able
to
afford
the
bare
minimum,
which
includes
housing,
transportation,
food,
health
care,
taxes,
childcare
of
applicable
and
miscellaneous
costs.
I
Another
thing
worth
noting,
and
the
reason
one
of
many
reasons
for
the
recent
equity
push
everywhere,
is
that
in
Boulder,
County
Anglo,
that's
non-hispanic,
white
households
on
average
are
earning
the
self-sufficiency
standard.
You
see
that
match
between
what
Anglo
households
in
Boulder
County
of
eighty
five
thousand
roughly
matches
to
roughly
eighty
five
thousand,
that
you
need
for
the
self
sufficiency
standard.
However,
Latino
households
are
in
less
here
than
elsewhere
and
they
are
earning
here
about
half
the
self-sufficiency
standard
and
that's
less
than
Latino
households
are
earning
on
average
significantly
than
across
the
u.s..
I
I
I
Women
working
full-time
here
in
Boulder
County
earn
on
average
74
cents
for
every
dollar
a
full-time
working
man
does
in
Boulder
County.
This
chart
is
tracking
wages
according
to
education
levels,
so
you
see
it
progressing
from
high
school
dropout
on
up
to
graduate
or
professional
degree.
So
the
question
would
be
here
in
the
city
of
Boulder
in
particular,
where
we
have
more
per
capita
women
with
advanced
degrees
than
anywhere
in
the
United
States.
Why
is
the
compensate
the
compensation
for
women
so
much
less
than
for
men?
I
I
Then
we
may
assume
that
we
have
here,
on
average,
in
Boulder,
with
a
wage
earner
out
in
the
workforce
and
with
their
spouse
at
home,
but,
like
I,
said
best,
guesses
aren't
sufficient.
We're
gonna
spend
some
effort
with
the
YWCA.
Looking
more
deeply
into
this,
you
may
have
seen
Eva's
recent
thought
paper
about
how
ending
child
poverty
in
the
city
of
Boulder
could
be
done.
In
fact,
for
about
three
point:
five
percent
of
the
city
of
boulders
budget.
I
There's
an
article
in
here
featuring
what's
been
going
on
with
housing
first
approach
in
Boulder:
it's
a
really
promising
story.
This
is
a
photo
of
the
31
fully
finished
one-bedroom
Apartments
at
11
75,
Lee,
Hill
Road,
who
house
which
houses
chronically
homeless
residents
with
a
housing
first
approach.
It
costs
about
forty
three
thousand
dollars
a
year
to
let
someone
remain
on
housed.
According
to
Jennifer
blasts,
homeless,
services
systems
manager
for
Boulder
County,
she
says
they're,
often
using
emergency
medical
response,
interacting
with
police
and
the
justice
system,
in
addition
to
sheltering
services
permanently
supportive
housing.
I
I
Danica's
going
to
get
much
more
into
this,
just
wanted
to
point
out
a
couple
of
efforts
on
the
affordable
housing
front
that
you're
well
aware
of,
but
for
viewers
at
home,
the
home
wanted
campaign,
stay
tuned
for
more
information
on
that,
and
also
Boulder
together
out
of
the
Boulder
chamber.
Both
are
tackling
workforce
housing.
This
is
a
photo
here
of
Malik
Johnston
and
his
roommate
over
at
the
Ingram
Ingram
coop
here
in
Boulder.
I
As
you
know,
you
know
that's
that's
one
way
to
for
people
to
find
a
way
to
live
here
in
Boulder,
he's
been
working
at
a
local
non-profit
originally
from
Iowa
I.
Believe-
and
you
know
he
says
it's
been
a
nice
couple
years
here
in
my
20s,
but
I-
don't
see
a
future
for
myself
being
able
to
invest
here,
build
wealth
and
it's
the
way
he
puts
it.
It's
it's
hard
to
do
good
for
a
living
and
make
a
living
wage
here.
I
Danakil
speak
to
that
calls
on
communities,
businesses
and
agencies
throughout
Boulder
County
to
address
our
region's
escalating
housing
needs
at
the
end
of
every
chapter
and
certainly
included
in
the
housing
and
economy
chapter
there's
just
a
box
about
what
can
you
do?
I
just
wanted
to
point
a
few
of
the
highlights
about
what
we,
as
individuals
can
do
for
one
thing:
support
government
policies
that
create
and
preserve
housing
for
all
socio-economic
demographics,
from
working
families
to
seniors.
I
For
another
thing,
if
you
own
a
business,
pay
your
employees
a
living
wage
check
in
regularly
to
make
sure
you're
not
paying
women
less.
If
you
are
make
adjustments,
there's
a
story
in
here
about
a
company
that
did
just
that
they
weren't
aware
of
the
inequity
and
then
when
they
sought
to
fix
it,
they
did
be
flexible
with
your
hours.
I
Finally,
no
trends
presentation
between
now
and
April
first
would
be
complete
without
a
plug
for
the
census.
That's
one
thing
that
we're
partnering
with
interested
parties
across
the
county
on
right
now,
making
sure
that
we
are
getting
as
complete
and
accurate
account
as
possible.
This
equates
to
about
$2,300
per
nose
counted
in
the
55
different
federal
funding
streams
that
land
right
here
in
our
town
multiply
that
by
ten
years,
until
the
next
census
and
you're
talking
about
missing
out
on
$23,000
worth
of
federal
funding
for
every
person
that
goes
uncounted.
I
So
that's
it.
We
can
all
take
steps
to
answer
the
pressing
needs
outlined
in
this
particular
chapter
and
in
the
report
we
invite
you
to
join
the
conversation
by
reading
this
report,
following
along
with
the
new
trends
podcast
on
kg
nu,
that
I
mentioned
and
engage
with
your
neighbors
to
build
a
more
connected
and
inclusive
community.
So
with
that
I'll
open
it
up
for
questions.
A
I'll
start
them.
I
have
one
for
you,
which
is
you
mentioned
the
Latino
kind
of
numbers
versus
Anglo.
As
far
as
income
wage
gap,
the
wage
gap.
Do
you
have
a
do?
We
have
numbers
on
the
number
of
employees
in
Boulder
that
our
Latino
employees
or
the
next
employees
versus
Anglo
or
other
so
that
breakdown
of
jobs
or
demographic
just
curious.
If
you
know
that
yeah.
I
I
I
When
you
start,
you
know
looking
at
how
our
middle
class
is
getting
more
hollowed
out
here
in
Boulder
Elizabeth
Garner.
Our
state
demographer
makes
the
point
that
for
every
six-figure
job
that
is
brought
to
a
town
that
creates
another
twenty
five
thousand
dollar
job,
because
people
who
are
wealthy
enough
not
to
need
to
do
their
own
laundry
clean
their
own
house
make
their
own
coffee
bring
their
own.
Lunch
to
work
are
relying
on
that
part
of
the
economy
that
employs
people
at
about
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
a
year
to
provide
those
services
to
them.
H
J
Was
curious
about
the
university
component
when
you
talk
about
the
rental
population
here,
I
have
two
children
in
college:
children
they're
not
quite
children
anymore,
but
they
were
in
living
in
our
home
and
now
they
are
renters
they're
at
CU
and
they're
in
the
same
city.
So
I'm
curious
about
what
percentage
of
that
population
is
student,
driven
versus
other
and
I'm
curious,
also
about
how
that
compares
with
similar
towns
of
our
size
college
towns
that
have
are
there
similar
issues
or
percentages
as
it
relates
to
the
rental
population,
I.
I
Think
what
you're
keying
in
on
is
the
stat
says
the
majority
here,
rent
about
55
percent
and
so
of
course,
in
a
town
of
we're
somewhere
around
115
thousand
right
now
in
population,
then
quick
in
the
head
math.
That
means,
like
you
know
about.
Sixty
thousand
people
are
renting
and
when
you
think
about
the
undergraduate
student
population,
who
are
not
on
campus
and
commuting
from
outside
of
Boulder
or
living
at
home,
yes,
certainly
there's
a
slug
of
them.
I
You
know
in
that
that
represents
the
fact
that
we're
in
a
college
town,
but
it
would
not
be
the
majority,
maybe
harder
than
you
think,
to
break
that
down.
We
would
need
to
rely
on
ciues
numbers
and,
of
course,
they
may
have
statistics
that
get
at
it,
but
are
not
dispositive.
They
would
be
able
to
track.
I
D
B
B
D
So
kind
of,
like
Google
I,
know
a
couple
of
people
on
campus
who
work
in
an
administrative
positions
and
for
students
to
get
certain
things
they
have
to
say
where
they're
living
at
and
they
are
tracking.
All
of
that,
but
the
housing
they're
very
tight-lipped
about
it
and
I
know
Kurt
had
met
with
them.
So
I
was
curious
if
we
had
cracked
into
any
of
that
data.
D
I
I
would
love
to
get
new
indicators,
particularly
ones
that
are
so
relevant,
particularly
in
the
city
of
Boulder.
That
question
about
how
is
the
undergraduate
student
population?
Making
us
unique,
is
a
question
that
I
get
from
different
angles
all
the
time
and
so
any
hard
data
that
is
at
the
population
level,
for
the
city
of
Boulder
or
even
better,
yet
County
but
I'll.
Take
the
city
would
be
something
I'd
love
to
consider
for
future
reports.
K
K
I
From
memory
I
think
what
we
were
talking
about,
I'm
just
in
round
numbers-
was
the
citation
from
the
county
level.
Experts
saying
that
they've
they've
estimated
that
it
costs
about
forty
three
thousand
dollars
for
someone
to
be
on
housed
in
Boulder
County,
and
then
they
estimate
20
thousand
dollars
for
this
housing
that
they're
providing
now
you're
asking
is
her
source
statewide
or
is
it
a
local
study
and
I
I?
Don't
know,
I
was
the
editor
on
that
chapter,
not
the
reporter,
but
I
could
get
back
to
you
on.
K
I
K
Yeah,
and
so
the
other
question
is:
do
those
statistics
in
any
way
talked
about
so
if
we
have
forty-three
thousand
safe
for
emergency
services
for
the
unhoused?
What
kind
of
reduction
do
we
see
in
that
when
we
go
to
housing
the
homeless,
because
I
think
that's
part
of
the
compelling
argument?
You
know
to
address
that.
You
know
it
cost
this
much
and
you
save
as
much
as
well
right.
I
You
know
that
is
the
whole
concept
upon
which
the
recent
wave
of
social
impact
bonds-
you
know,
I
mean
they
do
this
with
looking
prisons.
They
do
it
looking
at
education,
you
can
do
it
looking
at
housing.
It
would
be
a
very
innovative
strategy
to
explore
and
we
don't
have
time
to
get
into
how
that
whole
pricing
structure
works.
I
But,
as
you
may
know,
basically
you
have
some
government
provider
of
services
who
has
just
got
a
leak
in
the
bottom
of
their
budget,
that
an
intervention
can
close,
and
you
have
to
have
an
agreement
between
the
provider
of
those
services
and
the
provider
of
the
intervention
that
if
it
bears
out
that
savings
is
realized
by
the
service
provider,
that
service
provider
will
pay
the
intervention
some
portion
of
their
savings.
And
then
you
get
a
virtuous
cycle
going.
D
To
add,
along
the
lines
of
what
you're
saying,
but
also
from
information
from
the
retreat
and
council
yesterday
is
we
keep
talking
about
the
unhoused
as
if
it's
also
a
stagnant
number,
and
we
have
climate
migration
as
well
as
massive
drug
addictions
and
then
a
growing
gap
in
wealth
and
personally
I
believe
that
those
numbers
are
going
to
continue
to
grow.
So
even
if
we
were
seeing
people
placed
over,
and
you
would
think
that
we
would
start
to
see
some
of
that
kind
of
returned
back
or
levelled
out.
D
I
personally
think
that
we're
just
going
to
start
to
see
those
numbers
really
go.
If
we
continue
to
cut
social
programs
that
we're
seeing
and
housing
programs
and
running
out
of
money
left
and
right.
So
to
me,
that
is
our
sense
of
urgency
around
coming
up
with
a
unique
and
innovative
programs
to
deal
with
the
gun
house
and.
H
I
think
I
think
I
heard
something
in
what
you
were
saying:
Danny
that
that
maybe
I
can
provide
some
input
on
a
little,
because
Gregg
harms
was
one
of
the
people
who
who
really
worked
hard
on
getting
housing
first
started.
He
runs
the
shelter
and
they
did
not
expect,
but
it
did
happen
that
when
people
first
got
housed,
the
increase
in
their
medical
costs
went
sky-high
because
people
had
been
living
outside
for
a
long
time
and
had
chronic
health
problems
rather
than
emergent
health
problems.
H
L
B
Checked
really
quick
I
just
wanted
to
offer
so
that
Housing
and
Human
Services
what
the
city
has
is
a
leader
in
the
homelessness
work
across
the
county
and
I
think
it
would
probably
be
very
beneficial
to
this
board.
Do
you
have
our
team
that
focuses
a
lot
of
their
work
is
focused
on
this
area
to
come
and
present
to
the
housing
advisory
board.
B
So
you
can
hear
more
about
the
type
of
statistics
and
the
amount
of
data
that
we
have
it's,
it's
all
very
real-time
and
very
specific
to
our
Boulder
community,
as
well
as
some
of
the
work
that's
being
done.
I
do
know
at
the
city
council
retreat.
There
is
an
interest,
there's
an
interest
on
City
Council's
board
to
kind
of
open
up
the
conversation
to
look
at.
B
You
know
out-of-the-box
strategies
to
address
the
needs
of
our
individuals
who
are
experiencing
homelessness,
all
the
things
that
Mason
just
mentioned,
and
they
will
be
reaching
out
to
the
housing
advisory
board.
To
weigh
in
on
that
conversation,
so
I
might
suggest
that
we
work
with
your
chair
to
schedule,
time
for
Kurt
and
Vicki
Abner
to
come
and
speak
to
you
just
about
this
scope
of
our
work.
I
was.
I
A
H
A
I
Years
ago
we
created
a
three
layer
deep
website,
just
Google,
Boulder,
County,
Trends
you'll,
see
all
of
the
indicators
and
more
we
don't
publish
all
of
them
in
the
magazine.
We
just
follow.
What's
new
and
persistent,
but
yes
for
a
data
person
or
a
non-profit
or
government
person
willing
to
go
after
a
grant,
it's
all
open
source,
their
beautifully
done
charts.
Please
steal
them
for
your
purpose
and.
G
D
M
Wow,
thank
you
for
having
me
here
tonight
and
I'm
so
excited
to
follow
Chris's
presentation,
because
I'm
here
to
talk
about
solutions
in
a
regional
effort
that
is
really
solution
driven
and
we
want
to
activate
the
housing
advisory
board
to
be
home
team
champions
for
us
and
get
out
in
the
community.
So
I
know.
M
I
spoke
with
Jacque
earlier
just
to
understand
what
you've
learned
about
the
Regional,
Housing,
Partnership
and
so
I'm
gonna
skip
over
a
lot
of
the
data
and
the
partnership
information,
because
I
think
you
may
have
a
background
on
that
and
really
focus
on
where
we're
at
now
and
activating
this
campaign
and
initiative,
not
just
in
Boulder
but
Boulder
County,
so
about
in
26
2017.
Nine
directions
came
together
and
started
working
together
on
regional
housing,
which
is
really
exciting.
M
M
I
think
we
could
argue
about
the
numbers
all
day
long,
but
the
goal
of
the
partnership
is
to
increase
that
to
12%,
and
that
means
18,000
units
why'd
again
reiterate
some
of
the
data
about
how
many
cost
burden
families
there
are
in
this
county
and
what
we
want
to
do
to
solve
that.
As
many
of
you
know
up
here,
that
housing,
high
housing
cost
impact
everything
in
people's
lives
and
stable
homes,
impact
that
and
Chris
went
over
that
in
great
detail.
M
What's
important
about
this
Boulder
county
regional
housing
plan
is
it's
a
multi-faceted
and
each
jurisdiction
so
we're
talking,
Longmont
Louisville,
Ward,
Jamestown,
Boulder,
Boulder,
County,
Lafayette
Superior
and
we're
hoping
to
get
Erie
on
board
there,
the
last
one
out
in
the
county
and
what
we
are
every
group.
Every
jurisdiction
within
the
partnership
has
different
priorities
for
some
its
home
preservation.
Some,
it's
deed
restriction,
some
it's
ad
use
in
tiny
homes,
some
its
construction
of
new
units.
So
this
is
really
custom,
tailored
and
there's.
M
M
We're
not
it's
not
one
size
fits
all,
and
so
what
I
have
been
doing
is
really
meeting
with
all
the
different
jurisdictions
and
really
understanding
what
they're
working
on
how
we
can
build
advocacy,
and
so
that's
why
I'm
here
tonight
is
to
continue
the
advocacy
work
in
Boulder.
I
was
at
actually
somebody
from
my
team.
M
Was
it
Boulder
our
city
of
Longmont
and
City
Council
last
night,
speaking
at
open
comment
and
doing
this
similar
presentation,
so
we're
on
a
pretty
big
road
show
trying
to
get
to
as
many
people
as
we
can
to
really
share
the
initiative.
I
think
one
of
the
big
components
of
this
is
storytelling,
and
so
we
have
made
this
video
from
an
event
we
did
with
C.
You
called
squeezed
out,
and
we
did.
D
F
E
D
N
O
M
M
M
There's
more
videos
if
you're
interested
on
the
Boulder,
County,
Housing
and
Human
Services
website,
so
I
think
what
we're
really
trying
to
do
is
elevate
the
stories
of
our
community
and
make
them
connect
them
to
solutions
and
so
on
home
wanna
org.
We
really
encourage
you
to
join
our
home
team.
There's
an
onboarding
survey
to
really
identify
what
your
talents
are.
What
your
skills
are.
M
The
boulder
together
initiative
we're
working
with
the
East
County
Housing
Coalition,
which
has
just
formed
in
the
East
County
to
really
advocate
around
affordable
housing,
we're
working
in
the
faith-based
community,
and
we
really
want
to
work
with
you
tonight.
So
if
we
got
a
hashtag
home
wanted
boko,
we
have
the
home,
wanted
signs.
You'll
see
a
lot
of
those
in
pictures.
You
can
see
our
survey
really
getting
people
to
think
about
their
story
and
what
is
unique.
Everybody
has
a
housing
story,
and
so
we
want
people
to
connect
that
to
solutions.
M
So
what
we
would
love
to
ask
for
you
tonight
is
to
get
those
signs
put
them
up
in
your
workplace
or
your
community
carry
them
around
with
you.
Take
pictures
hashtag
continue
the
conversation
that
I
know
you're
already.
Having
advocate
for
policies
that
affect
change
and
participate
in
upcoming
events
and
a
couple
that
are
coming
up,
that
we're
really
excited
about
is
making
a
place
for
all
its
the
faith.
Communities
creating
housing
justice.
M
This
is
is
focused
on
mobile
home
parks
in
and
preservation
in
Lafayette,
but
it's
being
held
in
Boulder
and
I
know
that
the
city
is
very
involved
in
this,
but
it's
at
the
Unitarian
Universalist
Church.
We
invite
all
of
you
to
join
that
conversation.
It's
really
about
how
the
faith-based
community
is
making
change
throughout
the
region.
We're
gonna
do
some
really
fun,
I.
Think
grassroots
events
at
Boulder
arts
week
we're
working
very
closely
with
Arts
Commission
they've
taken
up
housing
as
a
priority
as
well.
M
M
We
rely
on
your
your
networking,
your
ideas
where
we
should
be
in
the
community
how
we
partner,
we
don't
want
to
compete
with
all
of
the
other
good
people
in
this
community
doing
housing,
and
so
we're
really
working
on
that
funding
is
a
huge
priority
as
well
as
policy.
So
what
funding
ideas
might
there
be
that
we
can
take
to
the
Regional
Housing
Partnership
and
our
partners?
What
can
we
bring
back
from
our
regional
partners?
M
What
is
Longmont
doing
around
a
to
use
what
is
lines
doing
around
tiny
homes
we
can
bring
and
bridge
all
of
that
informational
gap
with
resources
and
speakers
and
events,
and
who
else
should
we
be
partnering
with
I
mentioned
the
arts
community,
the
Latin
X
community,
the
faith
community?
Who
else
do
you
think
we
should
be
talking
to,
and
how
can
you
be
an
advocate
for
this
movement?
This
is
really
to
me
very
exciting
because
of
the
regional
nature
of
it.
M
It's
not
just
boulders
problem
to
solve,
but
it's
all
of
ours,
and
so
I
just
want
to
open
up
the
conversation
for
ideas
or
questions.
I'll
admit,
I
am
NOT
a
data-driven
person,
so
I
can
get
back
to
you,
but
I'm
really
looking
for.
Where
can
we
do
storytelling?
How
do
we
connect
these
two
solutions
and
any
ideas
about
who
we
should
be
working
with
in
our
community.
M
A
Thanks
for
that
and
I
mean
to
that
question,
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
I
thought
of
earlier
also
is
just
looking
towards
our
teacher
community.
We
talked
about
artists,
teachers,
the
city
employees.
There
are
all
these
groups
that
we
know
are.
You
know
really
heavily
burdened
by
this
housing
issue
and
to
get
those
voices
on
board
so
I
just
throw
those
ideas
out
right
off
the
top.
A
A
In
other
words,
do
I
talk
to
people,
does
Mason
talk
to
people
do
who
talks
to
each
other
about
how
they're
in
being
impacted
by
this
in
the
community,
because
it's
a
much
larger
percentage
of
the
community,
obviously,
as
we've
seen
here
tonight,
and
so
those
discussions,
Danika
and-
and
you
tried
to
create
those
discussions
and
have
that
storytelling
I
think
is
critically
important
to
the
mission
of
addressing
this.
So
thank
you.
M
Think
we
want
to
make
it
easy.
So,
for
example,
I
sat
down
at
a
restaurant
and
I
was
picking
up
it
to
go
and
someone
who's
picking
up
to
go
and
I
just
sparked
up
a
conversation
and
that
woman's
like
I
have
to
hurry,
because
I
am
painting
the
condo
that
my
tenants
just
purchased
from
me
and
my
husband,
because
we
kept
the
rent
down
for
20
years
and
we
allowed
them
to
buy
it
and
in
that
story
came
out
just
in
a
two-minute
conversation
and
I
wanted
to
capture
it.
M
I
wanted,
you
know
so
I
think
that's
what
we
want
to
do,
because
out
of
that
story
is
a
solution.
What
if
we
got
landlords
together
to
talk
about
what
it
could
look
like
if
we
kept
rents
down
and
empowered
people
to
save
money
and
not
be
cost
burdened?
That's
a
that's
a
group
of
folks
that
we
could
convene
around
a
solution
without
a
policy
change
or
perhaps
there's
a
tax
change.
I
don't
know,
but
I
think
that
two-second.
M
K
So
I
think
a
couple
enough
about
teachers,
I
think,
schools
and
and
the
children
in
schools,
because
what
you
see
more
and
more
as
this
housing
issue
grows,
are
the
impacts
on
the
children
who
ostensibly
would
be
growing
up
here.
But
you
know
there
are
a
lot
of
kids.
You
see
it
more
and
more.
Every
year,
my
sons
in
in
middle
school
and
kids,
who
were
moving
further
and
further
away
from
bowlers
still
going
to
school
over
here
you
know
they
used
to
live
here.
K
They
don't
live
here
anymore
and
it's
that's
a
very
much
growing
issue.
It's
a
very
much
initiative
that
reflects
towards
our
future,
and
you
know.
How
are
we
gonna
address
this
from
a
long
term
perspective
and
the
effects
that
it
has
on?
You
know
it's
always
compelling
to
hear
from
children.
You
know
there.
K
There
are
a
lot
of
kids
that
are
coming
in
with
their
parents
30
minutes
every
morning
and
then
hanging
around
until
they
get
done
with
work
and
then
going
back
out
to
they
just
there's
one
kid
and
my
son's
class
that
lives
in
Thornton
it's
pretty
far
right
and
so
I
think.
That's
another
part
of
that,
where
there's
a
lot
of
stories
to
be
told.
D
D
Know
I've
been
doing
a
lot
of
thinking
around
this
subject,
as
well
as
rent
keeps
going
up,
etc,
because
I've
owned
a
couple
of
houses
here
and
at
a
certain
point,
I
choose
to
rent.
You
guys
know
my
story
about
wanting
to
live,
tiny
and
and
reducing
all
my
stuff,
but
I.
Think
there's
something
interesting
too.
When
we
talk
about
our
stories,
which
we
were
talking
about
in
the
back
just
before
this,
which
is
shame
that
feeling
of
like
as
rents,
are
going
up,
as
the
costs
of
things
are
going
up.
D
We're
not
talking
about
the
fact
of
how
hard
it
gets
and
like
there's
got
to
be
something
wrong
with
me
that,
even
though
I'm
like
I,
said
own
a
hair
salon
and
I'm
working
X
amount
of
hours,
but
I'm
being
outpaced
so
much
by
the
rent
that
what
am
I
doing
wrong.
Why
am
I
not
staying
ahead
and
it's
hard
to
talk
about
that
or
when
you
have
to
leave
the
school
systems?
D
Or
you
know,
I've
been
here
for
26
years
and
how
come
everybody
else
around
me
is
like
throwing
down
solid
cash
to
buy
these
houses
and
do
these
things
and
and
I
think
having
honest
conversations
about
that
is
also
really
important
and,
like
Malik
was
saying
for
you
at
the
community.
A
lot
of
my
friends
live
in
coops
and
that's
their
most
discouraging
part
of
their
story.
Is
we
can't
build
wealth?
D
It's
hard
enough
to
build
wealth
anywhere
in
the
country
right
now,
outside
of
smaller,
more
rural
regions,
but
building
wealth
and
the
way
the
the
wealth
gap
is
widening
and
people
are
being
left
behind.
So
it's
just
an
interesting
story
to
be
talking
about
and
I
know,
I
don't
often
share
the
shame
piece.
Thank
you.
J
J
That's
the
industry
that
I'm
in
that
employ
low-wage
workers
that
serve
the
community
there,
that
$25,000
employee
that
serves
the
the
higher
paid
worker
and
engaging
the
business
community
to
talk
about
their
stories
about
how
their
employees
are
impacted
and
what
ideas
they
might
have
to
help
offset
the
housing
burden,
because
we
do
have
a
jobs,
housing,
imbalance
here
and
that's
a
big
part
of
why
we
have
these
problems.
To
begin
with.
D
M
Well,
thank
you
and
to
get
back
to
your
question
the
fun.
The
fundraising
component
is
look
it's
being
looked
at
at
a
regional
scale
and
it's
being
looked
at
by
the
County
Commissioners
and
the
leaders
in
our
community
and
they're
really
evaluating
how
to
tie
housing
and
transportation
and
looking
at
the
regional
housing
so
from
a
very
large
scale.
It's
being
looked
at
again,
that's
I,
think
the
benefit
of
the
partnership
is
it's
it's
all
of
us
and
it's
Longmont.
M
Certainly,
you
know
one
of
the
examples
that
Karen
Ronnie
works,
who
is
in
the
city
of
Longmont
talks
about
is
after
the
flood,
28
million
dollars
was
infused
into
the
community
in
flood
recovery
and
a
thousand
units
were
built,
and
so
there
is
a
direct
correlation
with
money
and
being
able
to
build
units.
The
goal
of
the
housing
partner
shows
18,000
units
and
now
that's
preservation
and
new
units.
It's
not
all
new
units,
but
and
then,
but
alongside
that
comes
policy
and
advocacy
around
different
projects.
M
One
success
story
that
I
think
is
really
interesting
is
in
Lafayette.
Willoughby
corners
is
a
portable
housing
project.
The
faith
community
not
very
involved
in
that
project
and
brought
a
lot
of
people
out
and
support,
and
that
really
changed
the
discussion
around
a
housing
project
in
Lafayette
and
so
I
think
that
there's
also
that
piece
of
really
activating
people,
even
if
it's
not
in
your
community,
maybe
we
go
speak
a
tad
in
a
different
jurisdiction
about
how
this
worked
in
our
community,
maybe
somebody's
tackling
a
housing
first
project,
or
something
like
that.
B
That's
where
we're
really
kind
of
blowing
it
wide
open
to
try
to
look
at
its
many
creative
options
as
we
can
to
create
the
resources
we
need
to
leverage
the
dollars
that
are
needed.
That
Danica
was
speaking
to
of
bringing
up
federal
resources,
state
level
resources
things.
That's
sort
so
just
know
that
it's
there's
a
lot
of
different
avenues
that
we're
pursuing
on
that
front.
I.
M
Had
a
question
I'm,
sorry
in
terms
of
the
hospitality
I
know
that
the
chamber
is
really
working
with
probably
larger
employers,
and
so
do
you
have
any
ideas
on
on
working
with
more
of
the
hospitality
important
for
these.
For
the
more
the
wage
earners
service
workers
in
our
community
I
think
we're
working
closely
with
the
chamber,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
they're
reaching
those
folks
as
well.
J
Well,
if
it's
for
storytelling
I
mean
if
you
talk
to
waitstaff
or
cooks
at
any
of
the
restaurants
in
town,
a
lot
of
them
are
commuting
from
pretty
far
away
places
and
they
work
non-traditional
hours.
So
the
impacts
of
commuting
are
often
less
than
the
traditional
nine-to-five
commuter.
So
they
have
that.
J
But
it
is
a
struggle
and
so
I
don't
know
how
you
get
access
to
those
employees
through
you
know
through
the
chamber
if
they
can
help
facilitate
that,
but
that
would
be
an
you
know,
an
interesting
place
for
at
least
the
storytelling
piece
and
then
to
understand.
You
know
what
the
management
challenges
are.
How
do
you
attract
and
retain
talent
to
serve
in
these
establishments,
which
boulders
known
for
means
become
a
hub
for
people
to
come
and
dine
and
and
and
recreative
dad
staff?
This
is
a
challenge.
C
One
thing
that
kind
of
strikes
me
with
this-
and
you
may
have
implicitly
mentioned
this
at
some
point,
but
it
seems
like
there's
opportunities
to
tap
into
folks,
whose
voices
aren't
often
heard
in
community
dialogues
that
we
have
about
things
like
area
plans,
sub
community
planning,
all
the
kinds
of
things
that
kind
of
affect
the
housing
landscape
in
Boulder
and
I.
Just
wonder
if
he's
thought
about
using
these
connections
to
help
bring
additional
voices
into
the
converse
community
conversation
as
we
work
on
an
effective
coming
out
rage
and
getting
everybody
at
the
table.
Yeah.
M
I
think
that's
one
of
our
primary
goals
is
to
both
reach
out
to
communities
that
aren't
particularly
involved
in
housing
discussion
and
also
empower
people
to
have
their
voice
amplified
in
this
discussion,
and
so
that
again,
we'll
be
looking
for
ways
to
do
that.
But
I
think
one
idea,
I
think
we
discussed
was
working
with
modus
theater
and
really
doing
this
storytelling,
where
you
allow
people
to
juxtaposition
their
experience
with
maybe
a
policymaker
or
or
a
decision
maker
and
so
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
really
powerful
ways
that
we
can
do
that.
M
The
Arts
Commission
as
I
mentioned,
is
very,
very
interested
and
being
creative
around
this,
and
that
was
really
exciting
to
me.
I've
met
with
their
of
their
commissioners
and
Matt
zan,
ski
and
David
Farnham,
and
so
you
know,
housing
they've
been
very
specific
about
what
the
artistic
community
needs
from
housing
from
a
housing
perspective.
They've
actually
done
their
own
studies
and
date
and
pulled
their
own
data
and
I.
Don't
know
if
you've
seen
any
of
those
reports,
but
it
might
be
very
interesting
to
you
because
it's
very
specific
about
the
type
of
housing.
M
The
artists
in
this
community
are
craving
or
would
need
for
creative
work
and
for
housing
and
that
that
sharing
that
with
as
many
people
as
possible
is
really
I,
think
important
and
so
I'm
happy
to
share
some
of
that
additional
information
with
you
because
I
think
to
me.
That's
you
know
the
artists
are
talking
about
it,
but
how
do
we
create
that
voice
and
maybe
we'll
do
something
really
fun
around
Boulder
arts
week.
M
Well,
this
is
a
long-term
strategy.
I
will
I've
working
on
it
for
at
least
three
years,
and
so
the
goal
is
to
continue
to
keep
the
partnership
engaged,
so
the
regional
partners,
so
bringing
this
information
to
them.
Sharing
the
information
out-
and
you
know,
continuing
to
tell
the
story
and
and
be
and
help
the
decision-makers
and
the
steering
committee,
which
are
members
of
all
of
the
different
jurisdictions,
continue
to
make
decisions
and
advocate
in
their
own
communities.
M
I
think
one
of
the
key
goals
is
just
building
that
partnership
right
now
and
like
I've
mentioned
law,
Longmont
and
Boulder
are
very
active
in
the
partnership.
We're
really
a
meeting
with
several
new
City
Council
members
and
Louisville
and
Lafayette,
and
really
trying
to
build
that
that
alliance.
So
that's
a
big
part
of
it
as
well.
I
guess.
B
I
would
just
add
so
one
of
the
great
things
about
having
Danica
and
Russell
joining
our
team.
Working
on
this
is
we
have
for
the
past
three
years.
It's
been
representatives
from
the
various
jurisdictions
that
have
been
leading
this
work
and
we
we
are
so
mired
down
in
that,
like
technical
and
financial
work
of
this,
that
it's
really
hard
to
get
out
and
to
get
the
voices
of
the
community
and
to
raise
that
awareness
and
to
learn
those
stories
and
so
to
have
Danica
and
her
team
and
their
talents
bringing
that
to
it.
B
It's
really
just
widening
the
conversation,
so
we're
really
elevating
it.
So
it's
to
a
wider
audience
and
really
really
making
it.
So
it's
very
impactful.
So
it's
actually
a
perfect
matching
of
skills
because
we
were
able
to
do
work
on
the
policies
and
the
financial
resources
and
investments
and
things
that's
or
while
they're
really
engaging
the
public
in
a
very
positive
way
and
furthering
this
work,
I
mean.
M
We
hope
there's
some
long
format,
goals.
You've
seen
some
of
the
shorter
format
more
from
pivot
is
here
she's
helping
us
with
the
videos
and
some
of
the
social
media,
but
we
also
want
to
work
with
Kay
GNU
and
we
actually
have
a
really
good
really
one
of
the
persons
on
our
team,
marina
log
Rob
has
a
good
relationship
with
Telemundo,
so
we're
really
working
towards
a
larger
format,
segment
on
television
and
radio
and
podcast,
and
so
again
any
ideas
you
have
on
who
we
should
be
talking
to
who
wants?
M
Who
we
can
feed
stories
to
and
create
information?
That's
that's
relevant
and
compelling.
That's
that's
what
we're
trying
to
do
so.
I
think
that
there's
some
also
really
exciting
things
in
the
works
that
I
hope
you'll
be
hearing
about.
There's
also
some
really
simple
things:
we'll
have
a
post
card
and
I
have
some
home
wanted
signs
for
you
tonight,
but
we
have
a
postcard
with
home
on
it
and
when
we
meet
with
people,
we're
gonna
really
just
encourage
them
to
jot
a
letter
to
their
elected
official
and
pop
it
in
male.
A
Yeah
thanks
so
much
for
this
update
and
again
I
love
the
fact
that
we're
looking
at
representing
the
narrative
of
boulders
story
in
a
holistic
manner
and
not
just
having
the
narrative
of
boulder,
be
the
perception.
I
think
that
exists
so
I
think
that's
really
powerful
and
yeah.
Thanks
for
coming
and
presenting
to
us
and
I
know
that
we
will
be
in
touch
and.
M
A
D
A
P
Thank
you
for
having
me
here
this
evening.
My
name
is
Elena
Wilkin
I'm,
the
executive
director
of
a
statewide
membership
organization
called
housing
Colorado,
and
we
represent
the
vast
diversity
of
organizations
and
industries
that
are
engaged
in
the
development,
construction,
siting
development,
construction,
maintenance
and
rehabilitation
of
affordable
housing.
We've
about
300
organizational
members.
A
number
of
them
are
here
in
Boulder.
We
have.
We
do
things
like
any
good
membership
organization.
We
advocate
on
behalf
of
our
interest
at
the
state
and
federal
level,
and
then
we
do
a
lot
of
professional
development,
otherwise
known
as
parties.
P
So
we
throw
a
lot
of
really
good
parties,
the
affordable
housing
community,
because
really
it's
all
about
building
relationships.
So
we
facilitate
that.
But
tonight
I'm
here
to
talk
to
you
about
state
policy
and
I'm
a
little
sad
to
come
after
Danica
cuz
I
do
not
have
fun
videos,
I,
don't
have
people
smiling
I.
Just
have
a
lot
of
really
heavy
policy,
so
I'm
gonna
go
pretty
quick.
I'll.
P
Give
you
a
very
brief
overview
of
the
session
itself
so
far,
and
then
the
housing
specific
bills
that
we've
seen
actually
drop
and
then
ones
that
we
think
might
be
coming
so
I
can
either
go
each
bill.
Singly
or
I
can
kind
of
do
them
all
as
clumps,
and
then
we
can
talk
about
them
afterwards.
If
you
guys
have
questions
and
then
at
the
very
end,
I
want
to
just
give
a
real,
quick
update
on
anti-growth
way
to
anti-growth
ballot
initiative
that
we
might
be
looking
at
November.
P
So
first,
let
me
talk
about
funding
because
we
always
need
to
know
about
money.
So
anyone
who
is
paying
attention
last.
You
know
we
had
incredible
success.
We
secured
two
new
sources
of
funding
for
affordable
housing
that
we're
going
to
run
through
the
division
of
housing,
general
grant
program.
I,
know
Builders,
gotten
bolder
and
bolder.
County,
we've
gotten
money
through
that
program
before
one
was
unclaimed
property
one
was
vendor
fees.
We
can
go
into
the
technical
details.
P
I'll
give
you
the
punchline,
it
doesn't
look
like
we're
going
to
get
either
one
of
those
funding
sources,
because
we
are
again
in
a
Tabor
cap
here.
So
any
new
money
that
comes
into
the
budget
just
gets
refunded
out
the
back,
so
it's
kind
of
a
tube
of
toothpaste
with
a
hole
in
it.
So
all
that
hard
work
that
we
did
last
year
looks
like
it
may
not
result
in
anything.
Nonetheless,
we're
gonna
proceed
with
building
policy
work
with
division
of
housing
to
make
sure
that
money
gets
out
into
the
communities
with
transparency
and
efficacy.
P
So
that's
kind
of
the
funding
front
and
I
can
go
back
and
touch
on
that.
If
there's
questions
about
it,
so
housing
colorado
sits
in
a
really
unique
position
because
we
represent
both
of
those
who
are
seeking
affordable
housing,
and
I
should
back
up
just
one
step.
We
do
housing
the
spectrum,
so
we
go
from
homelessness
to
homeownership
right,
so
we're
kind
of
covering
all
the
housing
pieces
all
the
way
across
Colorado.
P
So
since
we
represent
those
who
are
seeking
housing
and
those
are
advocated
seeking
housing
and
those
who
manage
property,
we
run
into
some
landlord
tenant
issues.
So
last
year
there
was
a
whole
like
four
or
five
bills,
that
kind
of
directly
addressed
landlord
tenant
issues,
both
in
rental
and
mobile
home
parks,
some
of
which
we
supported,
some
of
which
we
monitored,
because
the
tricky
situation
that
we
were
in
we're
back
again
this
this
year.
P
We
have
an
interesting
bill
that
would
suppress
eviction
records
so
that
people
who
have
been
not
all
the
way
fully
evicted,
but
all
the
way
up
until
the
filing
of
the
court
documents
that
kind
of
ends
up
as
a
red-letter
and
it's
really
hard
to
get
housing
once
this
is
on
your
record,
and
so
the
the
legislation
would
suppress
that
that
particular
piece
of
your
record.
So
we
would
no
longer
show
up
when
you're
trying
to
apply
for
housing,
there's
a
source
of
income
bill.
P
So
we
have
tenants
who
are
getting
really
far
behind
really
really
fast.
So
this
bill
would
cap
those
late
fees
and
a
cap
it
on
a
per
month
basis,
so
we're
watching
that
one
there's
one
that
would
prohibit
landlords
from
asking
about
immigration
status
of
people
who
are
applying
for
housing.
This
is
real
sticky
for
us,
because
all
of
the
federal
any
housing
that's
built
with
federal
dollars
has
to
ask
so
we're
working
with
the
bill
sponsor.
We
totally
support
the
intention
of
this
bill.
P
It
just
puts
my
housing
authorities
and
and
my
other
affordable
housing
properties
in
a
sticky
situation.
So
we're
working
on
that
one
and
then
finally
there's
a
really
interesting
one
that
will
prohibit
discrimination
based
on
traits
that
are
indicative
of
particular
races.
This
is
really
more
geared
toward
the
school
systems,
but
housing
does
get
swept
up
in
it.
Those
are
already
protected
status,
protected
classes,
it
just
kind
of
refines
further.
P
P
P
So
this
is
a
really
interesting
policy
field
to
play
in
because
there's
so
many
pieces
come
at
you
from
all
different
I'm
sure
you
guys
know
because
you're
just
dealing
with
that
nexus
between
economics
and
housing
and
real
estate
and
labor-
and
you
know
all
those
different
pieces
coming
together
so
again,
kind
of
a
quick
rundown
of
just
some
of
the
smaller
bills
and
then
I'll
hit
the
really
big
ones
at
the
end.
So
you
can
save
your
applause
for
the
end.
P
We
had
this
last
year,
incentivizing
job
developments
in
rural
areas.
This
is
a
Republican
bill,
so
it
has
already
been
assigned
to
the
kill
committee.
We
actually
really
like
it,
because
housing
is
listed
as
one
of
the
eligible
recipients.
I,
don't
think
it's
gonna
go
very
far
this
year
we
still
really
like
it,
though
there
is
a
proposal
to
the
senior
property
tax
exemption
to
allow
people
who
have
had
to
move
because
of
a
medical
condition
to
still
be
eligible
for
that
exemption.
P
So
this
is
a
little
tiny
piece
of
a
much
much
bigger
conversation
that
we're
having
around
that
senior
property
tax
exemption.
I
know
this
is
on
record
I,
probably
shouldn't
say
this:
it's
a
really
well
intentioned
policy
with
really
horrible
consequences,
so
we're
all
trying
to
look
at
it
and
figure
out.
Is
this
the
best
way?
Is
there
a
way
we
can
means-test?
Is
there
way
that
why
10
years,
where
did
that
come
from
what
is
it
actually
doing
to
the
real
estate
market?
P
There's
some
people
who
contend
that
seniors
aren't
downsizing
because
of
this
and
other
people
say
that's
not
that's
ridiculous.
That's
not
why
so
anyway,
this
is
the
very
first
I
think
nibble
at
that
much
larger
conversation
around
that
particular
unique.
A
Colorado
Paul
I've
asked
my
other
state
partners.
No
one
else
has
a
policy
that
looks
quite
like
this,
so
I
love
to
be
special.
There's
a
bill
10:09,
which
we
really
really
like.
P
This
has
to
do
with
expanding
the
ability
to
access
supportive
services,
most
specifically
in
rural
areas,
but
I
think
a
lot
of
suburban
areas
also
right
now
we're
running
into
really
so
with
all
this
new
money
that
was
supposedly
coming
into
the
division
of
housing.
What
we
heard
over
and
over
and
over
again
this
summer
was
that's
great.
We
have,
we
don't
have
the
capacity
we
can
build
the
housing.
We
can't
take
care
of
the
people
who
are
in
it
wraparound
services,
supportive
services,
permanent
supportive
housing.
P
All
those
things
are
pretty
incredibly
intensive
in
terms
of
resources
either
from
your
nonprofit
community
or
your
faith-based
community.
So
this
would
be
a
capacity
building
within
those
communities
to
be
able
to
access
these
funds.
So
we
really
like
that
one.
There
is
some
talk
about
messing
around
with
a
private
activity
bond
process
in
Colorado,
which
is
a
way
that
we
fund
a
large
chunk
of
our
housing,
most
people
in
Colorado
really
like
the
way
it's
done
now.
P
It's
split
between
equally
between
chafa,
the
Colorado
Housing
and
Finance
Authority
and
our
local
governments,
and
then,
if
local
governments
have
excess
bond,
they
can
give
it
back
to
the
state
and
it's
kind
of
allocated.
You
know
sort
of
money
in
a
informal
way.
So
this
would
change
the
allocation
process.
I
know
the
Colorado
Municipal
League
is
watching
this
really
really
closely.
So
if
those
of
you
who
are
engaged
in
private
acted
beyond
activity,
those
are
our
partners
that
we're
working
with
on
that
particular
piece.
And
finally,
this
is
a
fascinating
piece
of
legislation.
P
I
just
got
off
the
phone
with
the
bill
sponsor
on
this
would
require
the
state
to
spend
10%
of
all
that
money
that
we
hope
to
get
on
home
ownership
programs
instead
of
rental.
So
the
idea
is,
to
kind
of
we've
been
really
heavily
focused
in
Colorado,
certainly
from
the
state
level
on
the
neediest,
the
lowest
income
and
the
neediest
people
with
disabilities.
P
Seniors
people
transitioning
how
the
justice
system
foster
care,
new
children,
transitioning
out
of
foster
care,
and
this
would
request
the
state
to
kind
of
shift
their
focus
more
toward
home
ownership
and
I
wouldn't
say,
leave
behind
that
other
population,
but
maybe
allocate
more
of
the
money
toward
ownership
programs
rather
than
rental
programs.
So
that's
an
interesting
bill.
It's
gonna
put
housing,
Colorado
kind
of
a
sticky
situation
just
because
we
represent
such
a
wide
spectrum,
so
we'll
see
where
that
one
goes,
the
one
that
I
promised
Jacque
that
we
would
hit
on
with
you
guys.
P
There
was
a
proposal
to
back
up
like
what
are
we
at
now
19
years
ago,
when
the
Telluride
Supreme
Court
case
came
down.
That
said
that
local
authorities
I'm
getting
some
nods.
This
is
awesome,
could
not
use
inclusionary
zoning
in
their
sort
of
toolkit
to
incentivize,
affordable
housing,
so
CML
is
running
a
bill.
This
came
out
of
the
whole
rent
control
conversation
from
last
year,
which
speaker,
Becker,
has
completely
squashed
and
I.
P
Think
we're
really
all
really
happy
that
she
has
done
that,
but
this
would
be
to
carve
out
inclusionary
zoning
from
the
rent,
control
conversation
and
say
in
point
of
fact,
inclusionary
zoning
is
not
rent
control.
It
just
allows
cities
and
counties
to
set
aside
developments
that
they've
approved
and
a
certain
percentage
would
have
to
be
affordable,
so
she
is
still
resistant.
I
think
you
guys
are
sort
of
victims
of
were
the
victims
of
your
success,
because
your
cash
in
lieu
program
is
so
successful.
Her
contention
is.
P
We
don't
need
this
because
look
at
what
Boulder
has
done
and
how
great
they
are,
and
why
can't
everybody
do
this
and
you
know
I,
don't
know
any
of
you
very
well
yet
so
I
won't
go
down
those
paths,
but
that's
the
kind
of
conversation
we're
having
around
inclusionary
zoning
a
lot.
Interestingly
enough,
a
lot
of
my
County
partners
are
super
excited
because
they
are
now
being
asked
to
play
in
housing
and
Boulder.
Boulder
County
has
been
playing
a
long
time
in
this
area,
but
a
lot
of
other
counties.
P
This
is
brand
brand
new
to
them
and
they
don't
have
any
tools.
They
have
no
authority.
We
have
no
taxing
ability,
like
they're,
just
kind
of
stuck
and
yet
they're
being
asked
by
developers
to
make
big
decisions
and
by
their
constituencies.
Why
can't
I
live
in
Laramie,
County
anymore?
Why
can't
I
live
in
Weld
County?
Why
can't
I
live
in?
You
know
wherever
so
that's
gonna
be
a
really
interesting
conversation.
It
may
not
come
out
this
year
as
an
actual
bill.
It
may
be
one
of
those
bills
that
takes
two
to
three
years
to
bake.
P
D
P
P
It's
changing
day
by
day,
I
mean
so
this
session.
So
I
don't
know
if
you
guys
those
of
you
who
follow
politics.
The
last
session,
the
the
beginning,
if
I
had
been
here
last
year
at
this
time,
I
would
have
had
like
two
bills
to
talk
about
like
they
just
got
this
super
slow
start
and
then
they
got
completely
mired
in
vaccinations
and
death
penalty
and
there
was
like
an
education
I
mean
it
just
got
sticky
right
out
of
the
gate,
so
we
didn't
hit
our
peak
until
gosh.
P
It
was
like
april
so
this
year,
wednesday
january
6
or
8th
200
bills
dropped
and
usually
we
hit
about
five
hundred
through
the
whole
session.
So
the
DEM,
the
democrats
have
committed
firmly
to
keeping
the
calendar
and
pushing
things
through,
and
so
we've
had
this
huge
push
of
bills
and
it's
starting
to
level
off
a
little
bit.
So
just
a
totally
different
feel
of
the
session
and
we'll
see
how
the
republicans
do
I
mean.
P
C
C
C
P
Say
politically,
no
I
think
the
speaker
with
her
experience
in
development
has
that
has
found
that
to
be
unhelpful
and
it's
really
mixed
across
the
board.
Some
people
think
it's
the
best
piece
of
policy
ever
a
lot
of
people
who
work
on
regional
housing
fear
that
it
just
pushes
the
problem
farther
out.
You
know,
because
if
you're
just
drawing
lines,
you're
just
gonna
go
across
the
border
and
my
developers
tell
me
I
will
just
find
a
piece
of
land
that
doesn't
have
rent
control
on
it
right,
and
so
you
know,
embedded
in
our
housing.
P
Conversation
is
the
transportation
conversation,
so
anything
you're
pushing
out
is
going
to
increase
congestion
and
increase
interest.
You
know
so
I
think
as
a
policy
tool.
It
is
to
be
wielded
with
great
discretion
and
I
am
concerned.
I
think
I
can
say
that
here
that
there
are
communities
in
Colorado
that
less
sophisticated
than
Boulder
and
would
you
know,
might
do
some
damage
if
they
tried
to
wield
something
like
that
without
about
thoughtfulness,
I.
P
A
H
One
more
question:
I'm
just
curious:
you
said
there
was
a
particular
going
to
the
place
for
the
committee
where
bills
died,
yeah
and
I
think
you
said
it
was
about
incentivizing
rural
areas
and
and
I'm
just
curious
to
me.
That
seems
to
make
good
sense
for
cities
to
incentivize
rural
areas,
because
it
takes
some
of
the
building,
some
of
the
pressure
of
the
building
crises
off
of
urban
areas
if
rural
areas
were
incentivize.
So
why
do?
Why?
Is
that
going
to
the
place?
What
am
I
not
getting
about?
Because.
C
P
C
K
P
So
there
has
been
a
ballot
initiative
filed
and
it
went
through
title
board,
so
the
proponent
is
out
gathering
signatures.
Now
it's
a
statewide
ballot,
but
it
would
impose
a
1%
growth
cap
on
11,
Front,
Range
counties
and
all
the
municipalities
within
those
counties,
so
Larimer
down
to
El
Paso,
and
it
includes
wealth,
which
I
think
is
interesting.
So
it's
it
is
one
of
the
worst
pieces
of
policies.
I've
ever
seen,
written
I'm,
just
gonna
say
it
like
it's
poorly
written.
P
It
does
have
a
carve
out
for
affordable
and
senior
housing,
which
would
be
allowed
to
grow
at
1.15
percent
in
each
year,
and
you
know
honestly
1
percent.
It
sounds
like
a
pretty
draconian
level.
Denver's
only
grown
at
1.6
percent.
Over
the
last
couple
years.
I
mean
it's,
not
it's
not
the
amount,
it's
how
it
would
get
measured
and
it's
strictly
in
residential
building
permits
is
how
they
measure
it
right,
and
so
you
guys
sit
on
boards
and
planning
boards.
P
I
mean
to
impose
that
and
to
measure
it
and
figure
out
who's
responsible,
and
how
does
that
get
measured?
And
we
watched
Lakewood
just
tie
themselves
up
into
knots.
Trying
to
figure
out
this
policy,
so
that's
the
first
problem.
The
second
problem
is,
it
scares
away.
Everybody
you
know
like
what's
already
had
several
projects
pull
out
because
they
passed
their
ballot
initiative
and
then
a
third
is
that
border
problem
right.
So
we
it's
somehow
imagining
that
we're
this.
P
You
know,
sort
of
standalone,
island
and
I
can
just
see
people
just
jumping
across
the
border
and
just
finding
the
next
piece
of
land
that
doesn't
have
a
growth
restriction
on
it
and
I
mean
you
want
to
talk
about
sprawl.
I.
Think
that
you
know
that
just
horrifies
me
so
so
housing
Colorado
is
involved
in
the
anti
anti
entity
growth
coalition
and
we're
having
a
lot
of
interesting
conversations
about
like
what
does
growth
mean
to
people
and
what
is
it?
P
What
do
they
mean
when
they
think
about
it
and
coming
from
my
transportation
background,
I'm
actually
firmly
convinced
this
is
an
anti
traffic
bill
ballot
measure
like
I,
think
people
just
measure
it
by
as
Chris
said,
you
know
my
my
commute
has
got
it
and
longer
that
makes
me
cranky
err.
I,
don't
want
anymore
people
to
move
to
Colorado,
not
completely
ignoring
the
fact
that
we
are
putting
somewhere
between
25
and
30
thousand
new
new
graduates
onto
the
housing
market
every
single
year,
just
internally
I
mean
we're
growing
internally,
not
just
importing
people.
P
K
P
Behind
it
is
a
gentleman
named
Dan
Hayes
out
of
Goldin,
who
has
a
lot
of
real
estate.
His
wealth
comes
from
real
estate,
he
inherited
it
he's
second
or
third
generation
Colorado,
and
he
has
been
bad
he's
been
doing
this
for
a
couple
of
years.
Now
this
is
kind
of
his
third
crack
at
it,
I
think
and
then
who's
behind
him.
We,
we
haven't
seen
anything
for
his
particular
initiative,
but
Lakewood.
P
We
know
it
was
this
breaks
along
demographic
lines,
not
surprisingly
so
wealthy
homeowners
in
general
support
these
kind
of
measures
and
younger
people
do
not
support
them,
but
they
also
don't
vote,
there's
also
a
weird
insertion.
We
have
not
gone
down
this
path
yet
in
Colorado,
but
I
think
this
is
where
it's
gonna
show
up
of
populism.
P
You
know
like
kick
the
bastards
out,
you
know
anti-government,
they
don't
know
what
they're
doing
we
need
to
rein
them
in
you
know,
so
there's
definitely
some
of
that
national
fervor
I
think
leaking
into
our
local
conversations
and
it's
kind
of
showing
up
in
a
in
a
fairly
ugly
way.
Frankly.
So
it's
a
loose
affiliation
of
sort
of,
as
is
the
anti
group
I
mean
I'm
sitting
down
people
I,
don't
think
I
ever
have
sat
down
with
before
yeah
yeah.
P
F
G
A
A
A
A
H
And
Jane
wanted
me
to
bring
up
that
process
that
the
engagement
committee
follows.
Is
one
that's
already
been
vetted
and
approved
by
the
board
before
so
this
letter?
Not
only
will
I
submit
and
ask
them
to
put
it
on
the
Sunday
before
which
they
can't
guarantee
it'll,
be
on
that
Sunday,
but
some
time
before,
but
I
will
use
that
you
know
cuts
from
it
to
do
emails
to
places
to
groups
in
Boulder
like
the
Chamber
of
Commerce
or
better
Boulder,
planned
Boulder
and
any
particular
groups.
H
H
H
First
sort
of
situation
for
veterans
in
Longmont,
where
they're
gonna
have
I,
don't
know
about
25
houses
and
a
main
building
that
will
have
case
management
and
washer/dryer
that
sort
of
thing
and
then
the
public
input.
The
only
thing
I'd
like
to
know
I
mean
the
thing
I'd,
especially
like
to
know
how
you
feel
about
is
we
had
that
circle
seating
before
down
there
and
it
worked
well
for
another
listening
session?
Do
you
want
to
try
that
again?
H
How
are
you
feeling
about
that
again
and
then
the
feedback
part
and
then
after
the
sessions
over
I,
write
up
notes
of
what
people
said
the
different
input
people
gave
us
and
I
summarized
it
and
send
it
around
to
all
if
you'd
edit
anyway,
you
want,
and
then
we
put
that
in
our
minutes
in
our
information
packet
the
following
month.
So.
K
H
See
other
people
can
help
me
with
that
I
felt
when
we
did
that
there
were
the
circle
yeah.
The
circle
was
big
enough
for
about
12
people
to
sit,
but
then
there
were
people
sitting
in
the
back
and
people
sort
of
came
in
and
out
of
the
circle,
and
we
were
all
there
and
I
think
Mason
led
the
discussion.
Pretty
much
did
you
my
son
or
Adam.
One
of
the
two
of
you
did
and
I
was
just
letting
people
talk
and
is
more
conversational
about
people
saying
how
they
felt.
A
D
A
On
that
note,
I
do
want
to
mention:
I
had
a
conversation
with
Kurt.
Briefly,
he
was
he
expressed
concern
and
I
think
this
is
really
relevant.
Considering
last
night's
council
meeting
and
what
was
discussed
there
and
I
think
that
was
really
helpful
to
to
kind
of
clarify
this
piece.
But
his
concern
was
that
were
teeing
people
up
for
an
expectation
that
which
I
think
is
okay,
but
that
tiny
homes
are
gonna
be
sprouting
about
in
Boulder
and
we're
just
trying
to
figure
out
where
and
how
and
we're
still
a
long
way
from
that.
A
So
I
think
he
was
concerned
about
the
expectation
of
that
and
I
do
think.
Kirsten
I,
don't
know
if
you
watched
the
meeting
last
night
or
if
you
were
with
it,
I
did,
and
some
of
us
may
but
I
think
it's
worth
touching
into
a
little
bit
just
because
of
the
thing
that
Mason's
saying,
which
is:
what's
our
what's
our
goal
with
the
listening
session?
Besides
simply
taking
the
input,
I
think
it
would
be
valuable
also
in
this
to
make
sure
that
we
are
guiding
sufficiently
and
jay
is
gonna.
A
Be
there
he's
gonna,
give
us
good
input
on
it,
but
just
the
recognition.
What
counsel
was
talking
about
last
night
or
just
changes
that
have
been
accepted
into
the
ICC
into
the
building
code
and
and
they're
all
foundation
based,
so
once
you
go
to
wheels,
it
becomes,
it
becomes
a
mobile
home
and
the
building
and
there's
there's
no.
There
is
no
building
code
that
addresses
that
you.
D
So
they're
to
me,
with
the
PERTs
suggestion
of
managing
expectations.
Is
that
we're
now
in
a
tricky
spot,
and
what
I
expressed
to
Judy
was
that
although
I
adore,
Jan
Jan
is
an
investor
in
storage
containers
and
is
very
limited
in
her
knowledge
on
tiny
houses
and
kind
of
the
legal
ramifications
of
where
we're
at
for
tiny
houses
right
now,
so
I'm
concerned
that
the
route
we're
going
with
our
listening
session
isn't
going
to
serve
our
needs
moving
forward
depending
on
what
our
goal
is
and
having
adequate
individuals
with
experience
at
the
table
for
anybody.
H
Have
no
horse
in
the
race
as
far
as
what
the
subject
matter
is
it's
something
we
all
voted
on
and
I
am
good
with
branching
out
I've
already
invited
some
other
people
who
have
backgrounds
and
I
noticed
that
you're
on
a
webpage
for
having
gone
to
a
housing
fair
for
tiny
houses.
Fair
and
juniors
are
liars.
I
make
that
maybe
you
know
actually.
H
A
A
Always
tied
up
to
the
back
of
the
cart,
but
there
are
a
couple
of
I
mean
I
still
think
this
is
a
really
valuable
listening
session
to
have
and
I
wanted.
You
know:
I
want
us
to
bring
it
to
a
place
of
relevancy,
I,
think
pretty
much.
What
we
have
structured
is
great,
but
I
didn't
want
to
look
at
and
I
think
just
over
the
next
month.
We
can
work
with
this
and
and
just
that,
it's
like.
Are
there
other
really
good
people
I
looked
into
Lions
a
little
bit.
A
The
reality
of
what
Lions
has
done
is
that
they're
allowing
ten
tiny
houses
within
the
entire
town,
but
they
have
allowed
them
to
be
tie-downs
and
not
on
foundations.
So
there's
some
interesting
stuff
they've
done
it's
a
very
limited
scope
and
reading
through
it.
You
know
it's
like
okay,
there's
something
there,
but
as
an
opportunity
to
still
get
some
public
input,
and
my
thought
is
like
well
where
and
how
it
really
comes
down.
A
I
think
to
zoning
to
a
large
point
right,
land
use
and
zoning,
and
that's
one
thing
that
I
wanted
to
ask
of
you
tonight:
David
it's
like:
where
do
you
see
or
the
points
where
you
know
we
should
maybe
put
some
focus
in
that
from
from
the
Planning
Board
perspective,
if
you
guys
have
had
any
discussions
about
it.
What's
going
on
in
your
side,.
C
C
Just
don't
have
a
timeline
at
this
point.
Yeah,
so
yeah
I'm
from
a
Planning
Board
perspective.
I
would
be
you
know.
I
could
do
a
little
bit
more
research
to
before
next
month
to
and
see
if
there's
anything
in
addition,
but
I
think
it
would
be
good
to
set
expectations
that
this
is.
This
is
a
kind
of
just
to
get
people
thinking.
I
think
it
would
be
interesting
for
people
to
see
how
other
communities
have
done
it
and
what
the
different
options
are
and
how
they
look.
K
D
D
B
D
So
my
only
concern
with
that
is
the
same
concern
that
Adam
brought
up
at
the
retreat,
which
is
yes
and
in
the
past
staff,
is
limited
itself
like
last
night,
when
staff
told
city
council
that
tiny
houses
on
trailers
are
considered
vehicles
and
they're.
Not,
and
so
my
concern
is
that
in
the
interest
that
we're
getting
all
the
information
and
that
it's
not
being
driven
by
a
perspective,
does
that
make
sense.
B
Q
Q
We
know
the
problems
to
me,
I'd
like
to
spend
some
time
focusing
on
solutions.
We
know
the
burdens,
we
know
you
know
what
can
we
do
about
it
now
and
I
think
there's
a
great
opportunity
to
hear
about
some
potential
solutions
and
I'm
excited
about
it.
I
think
this
is
great,
I,
think
alternative
and
can
be
done
in
so
many
ways
and
it's
flexible,
so
I'm
pumped
up
I.
A
H
A
And
I
think
I.
Think
I
mean
that
that
is
the
value
of
this
of
this
space
that
we're
getting
into
with
the
listening
sessions
as
they
are
a
mix
of
an
educational
space,
and
we
can
help
to
manage
those
expectations
and
the
understandings
as
long
as
we're
on
our
game
and
we
bring
the
right
people
in
who
really
understand
those
things
and
can
provide
clarity
on
it
and
then
the
other
piece
that
a
lot
of
those
question
marks
I
think
are
on
the
code
side
of
things
and
then
on
the
land,
use
and
zoning
side.
A
I
think
that's
actually
a
space
Judy
to
where
it
would
be
interesting
to
really
garner
ideas
from
the
public
about.
Well,
how
would
you
like
to
see
it?
What's
your
vision
of
how
these
would
be
used
and
that
really
I
think
is
material
that
we
can
take
in
and
say:
okay,
we
kind
of
take
the
temperature
of
people's
ideas
about
how
these
are
going
to
be
so.
D
I,
like
that,
and
it's
somebody
who
builds
houses,
you
know
like
you-
can
take
somebody's
I
really
want
to
have
this
kind
of
house
and
you're
like
well
your
Lots
only
this
big.
So
you
can
only
do
this
so
I
think
what
would
be
interesting
is
if,
when
you
guys
scope
this
I,
don't
think
the
general
public
really
understands
land
use,
codes
and
zoning.
D
So
if
there's
a
elemental
way
of
breaking
that
down,
that
would
show
the
discussion
and
frame
it
in
an
educational
way,
and
that
to
me
is
the
whole
thing
about
breaking
it
down.
Is
there
is
if
you're,
just
talking
houses,
there's
how
you're
gonna
build
it?
There's
all
the
different
types
of
houses
you
could
build,
what's
actually
allowed
where
it's
allowed,
because
we've,
it
still
adheres
to
the
ATU
laws
and
then,
where
we
want
to
go
where
we
would
use
it
as
a
possible
tool
and
what
is
possible?
D
A
A
Was
thinking
one
thing,
I
was
thinking
also
based
on
what
you
had
said
about
doing.
Some
kind
of
scoping
work
on
this
is
I.
Do
think
it
would
be
beneficial,
probably
Judy
and
Mason
if
you
want
to
jump
back
in
on
it,
but
I'm
also
kind
of
getting
a
little
bit
more
sane
in
my
life.
I
could
do
it
to
where
we
sit
with
you
or
J
prior
to
this
and
we
craft
our
our
program
and
our
meeting
carefully
so
that
we're
we're
walking
in
with
a
good.
A
You
know
I
had
a
question
with
him
for
his
knowledge
of
the
actual
building
code
aspect,
but
he
seemed
to
be
comfortable
with
that,
so
he
is
very
possibly
just
capable
of
presenting
all
of
that
and
that'd
be
great,
but
just
so
that
we've
really
done
our
due
diligence
on
what
it
is
we're
presenting
to
the
public,
how
we're
presenting
it
and
then,
as
you
said,
what
we're
asking
back
from
them.
It.
D
Might
be
kind
of
interesting
when
they
sign
up
for
public.
You
know
when
they
want
to
talk.
If
there
were
the
four
questions
on
that,
so
when
they
sign
up,
they
could
check
a
box
that
said
I'm
more
interested
in
land
use,
I'm
more
interested
in
design,
I'm,
more
interested
and
the
coding
piece
of
it
so
that
at
least
we've
collected
some
information
that
might
funnel
down
where
the
majority
of
these
questions
are
gonna
be
coming
from.
Does
that.
B
If
I
could
just
make
sure
I'm
understanding,
so
it
sounds
like
I
mean
we
do
me
monthly
with
a
chair
and
vice
chair
to
kind
of
think
through
the
next
meeting.
So
what
I'm
hearing
is
that
we're
going
to
have
Cori
can
reach
out.
We
can
schedule
time
outside
of
that
meeting,
just
kind
of
scope
this
and
it
sounds
like
what
we'll
be
doing,
is
involving
Judy
and
possibly
Mason.
H
H
So
if
you
guys
want
to
add
other
elements
to
it
and
come
up
with
four
questions:
I'm
fine,
with
whatever
the
questions
I
know,
I,
know
little
bit
nothing
about
tiny-home,
so
I'm
happy,
and
since
we
can't
have
more
than
two
people,
two
board
members
without
having
to
be
a
public
meeting
or
whatever.
Maybe
you
guys
can
do
it
or
something
and
I
can
work
on
the
publicity?
H
D
A
H
Yes,
okay,
you
probably
know
about
as
much
about
that.
It's
me
Brenda
written
our-
has
this
great
idea
for
a
listening
session
that
she
would
like
to
come
next
time
for
just
a
little
bit
to
discuss
this
idea
and
see
if
we
might
be
interested
in
incorporating
it
in
one
of
our
listening
sessions
in
the
future.
B
So
Brenda
who's
part
of
the
city's
Community
Engagement
Team,
is
offering
to
come
and
facilitate
well
she's,
she's
actually
available
to
attend
the
next
meeting
to
describe
kind
of
how
we
facilitate
this
type
of
discussion.
I
believe
you
were
anticipating
that
she
would
be
coming
in
April
to
help
facilitate
that
listening
session.
Is
that
I
thought
the
tiny
homes
was
gonna?
Be
me
not
April,
March
I
think
I'm
losing
a
month,
so
in
February
it's
tiny
homes
and
then
the
next
listening
session.
B
Well,
she's
on
the
schedule
to
come
next
month,
but
essentially
the
community
engagement
tools,
it's
actually
very
similar
to
something
that
Mason
just
paid
it
in.
As
part
of
the
the
video
that
you
saw
where
you
you
have
a
group
of
individuals
who
are
experiencing
whatever
the
topic
is
and
bring
different
perspectives
to
it
and
you're
listening
in
to
their
conversation
about
how
they've
experienced
this,
whatever
the
topic
might
be,
and
then
it
kind
of
fuels
a
different
way
of
communicating
and
sharing
information.
So
I'm
not
gonna,
be
able
to
do
it.
B
Justice
spread
it's
gonna,
be
a
much
better
at
explaining,
but
it's
just
a
really
unique
opportunity
for
us
to
figure
out
new
ways
of
engaging
our
community
members
in
this
conversation.
So
Brenda
is
scheduled
to
come
next
month
and
she'll
be
able
to
present
in.
We
can
see
if
it's
a
tool
you're
interested
in
using
in
the
future.
Okay.
A
A
So
now
we
move
on
to
that
April
listening
session
and
the
topic
question
is
still
to
be
decided,
so
I
think
there's
just
some
discussion.
We
can
have
around
what
the
topic
for
that
April
listening
session
is.
If
anybody
has
anything
I
know
we
brought
up
the
renter's
at
one
point:
I
thought,
that's
kind
of
where
we
were
positioning
from
the
past
meetings
but
curious
to
anybody
else.
Has
other
ideas
or
thoughts
unique
so.
K
A
K
H
Really
like
that
is
because,
as
the
engagement
committee,
it
I
shouldn't
be
the
one
deciding
those
things
so
to
have
that
discussion
ahead
of
time
and
I,
basically
I'm
just
doing
the
publicity
part
for
it,
but
I
hope
we
put
that
on
the
February
agenda
because
to
do
it
in
April
it
needs
it
needs
that
focus
right
away,
so
we
can
go.
I
can
go
on
with
the
programming
and
letters
and
publicity.
So
that's
great.
So
I'd
therefore
move
that
for
the
April
listening
session,
the
topic
is
renters.
H
Q
Yes,
for
this,
but
I
just
wanna
caution,
the
the
idea
of
just
having
a
lot
of
people
come
in
here
and
say:
Oh
renting
in
Boulder
is
really
hard,
and
you
know
expensive
and
I
just
really
think
about
how
we
want
to
scope
this
out
and
how
we
want
to
focus
the
conversation.
That's
all
I'm
saying
but
I
do
like
the
idea.
C
I
think
it's
gonna
be
important
to
have
somebody
in
the
room
who
knows
a
lot
about
renters
rights
in
Colorado,
because
they're
gonna
be
a
lot
of
questions
about
this
happened
and
someone
would
need
to
be
able
to
say
well,
there's
no,
there's
nothing
that
protects
you
or
from
that
kind
of
thing.
Or
there
is,
you
know,
and
so
be
important
to
have
someone
who,
with
that
kind
of
that
depth
of
knowledge,.
A
D
I
mean
I
think
what
you're
saying
for
renters
is
exactly
what
I'm
saying
for
tiny
homes
are
any
of
these
sessions.
We
need
to
have
grown-ups
in
the
room
that
can
answer
the
questions
that
are
framing
out
these
discussions,
so
that
the
same
thing
we
are
listening
to
people
coming
in,
but
that
we're
managing
expectations.
A
Q
We're
trying
to
capture
the
students,
but
do
we
really
are
we
trying
to
focus
on
students?
Are
we
trying
to
focus
on
families
that
rent
you
know
like
yeah?
You
know
I'm
saying
so
so
maybe
there's
a
number,
no
I,
don't
know
that
because
students
may
be
in
finals
would
be
a
bad
time
to
talk
to
renters
I,
don't
know
if
that's
a
good
reason,
so
if
we
need
to
bump
it
another
month
to
really
flush
it
out,
it's
probably
not
the
worst
idea
to
me.
H
I
think,
first
of
all,
I
think
your
ideas
are
really
good
and
I
think
to
have
it
focused
and
I.
Think
one
could
do
it
by
having
it
focused
on
solutions,
and
we
can
stress
that
it's
just
solutions
I
mean
I
could
even
in
the
letter
to
the
editor,
put
something
sort
of
funny.
Like
you
know,
we
don't
want
to
hear
that
you're
garbage.
H
H
A
D
K
H
I'm
not
going
to
so
you
can
just
vote
down.
You
could
just
vote
down
mine
and
bring
it
up
again.
Everyone,
but
I,
think
April
could
still
get
students
I,
don't
think
it's
that
close
to
finals
and
I
think
with
them
being
50
with
renters
being
55%
of
the
population.
I
just
think
it's
I
think
we
can
pull
it
together
in
three
months.
It's
I
mean.
B
I
interject
and
I
I
hesitate,
ly
interject
with
us,
but
I
feel
like
I'd,
be
remiss
if
I
did
not
mention
so,
while
the
student
population
and
their
housing
needs
it's
a
concern
of
the
community
and
definitely
adds
pressure
to
the
community.
I
just
want
to
be
really
clear
that
our
our
housing
portfolio
are
permanently
affordable.
B
Housing
portfolio
is
not
available
to
the
traditional
college
student,
so
as
you're
looking
at
scoping
this
project
or
this
type
of
listening
session
I
think
we
just
need
real
clarity
in
the
outcomes
that
way
we'd
be
hoping
to
achieve,
because
one
of
those
outcomes,
I
would
venture
to
say,
would
not
likely
be
that
we
would
be
opening
up
a
permanently
affordable
housing
portfolio
to
serve
that
particular
population.
So
when
you
brought
up
the
family
dynamic
of
this
conversation,
I
think
that
could
be
an
interesting
angle,
not
saying
don't
attract
students,
but
I.
B
H
Point
so
our
mission
isn't
permanently
affordable,
housing,
its
housing
in
general
and
I.
Think
there's
a
lot
of
neighborhoods
like
Martin
acres
and
the
hill
that
have
real
issues
because
of
renters
and
those
are
people
who
live
in
those
neighborhoods
who
aren't
students
as
well
and
so,
although
obviously
affordable,
permanently
affordable
housing
is
my
biggest
interest.
I
have
a
real
feeling
for
for
all
for
all
renters
students
and
non-students,
and
you
know
I'm
behind
vote
it
down
and
pick
another
time
pick.
H
A
H
A
Q
H
A
D
I
also
think
we
need
to
kind
of
keep
in
mind
that
once
the
work
plan
for
City
Council
hits,
we
could
fill
up
dramatically
and
not
even
know.
So.
There
is
an
argument
to
potentially
wait
and
see
when
that,
when
it
wouldn't
really
let
kick
out
that
will
have
a
solid
work
plan.
When
do
you
guys,
like
do
your
magic
and
decide
what
we
have
to
look
at
for
the
next
year?.
B
I,
don't
know
the
exact
date,
but
it
was
pretty
firmly
discussed
this
past
weekend
at
the
retreat
and
so
I
think
it's
pretty
much
defined.
Okay,
we
have
a
sense
of
what
our
priorities
are,
gonna
be,
and
what
we
could
do
is
share
that
with
the
hat.
You
know
as
soon
as
possible
to
inform
what
might
be
good
topics
to
conduct
a
listening
session.
I
guess.
K
My
thought
is:
I
think
this
is
a
really
important
listening
session.
I
know
that
we
didn't
commit
to
any
particular
ones,
but
I
really
would
like
to
make
sure
that
we
do
it
right,
I'm,
very
open
to
moving
it
back
to
make
sure
that
we
do
it
right
and
that
we're
not
getting
too
hasty,
because
our
own
presupposed
schedule
previously
and
really
try
to
try
to
nail
it
so
I'm,
very
open
to.
K
K
H
You
second
it
if
you're
agreeable
I'll
just
withdraw
my
motion
completely,
and
it
can
also
be
done
in
September
I
I
want
I
mean
my
interest
in
renter's
is
renters,
which
would
be
both
students
and
non-students.
So
if
we
did
it
at
the
end
of
August
or
the
end
of
September,
that's
another
possibility
so
and
we,
but
we
do
have
to
discuss
if
we
won't
have
listening
sessions
at
all
and
and
when
we
want
them,
and
all
that.
K
A
A
Q
A
procedural
perspective
we
don't
have
to
make
a
motion
to
miss
a
question.
We
don't
have
to
make
a
motion
to
say
we
want
to
have
a
student
listening
session
at
some
point
in
the
future.
You
know
the
next
six
months,
let's
say
or
sometime
this
year.
We
don't
have
to
make
a
motion
for
that.
We
can
just
say:
let's
talk
about
it
next
time
right,
you.
B
D
That
feels
really
fast
to
some.
The
I
was
I
was
scoping
out
something
else
with
the
with
a
different
organization,
and
some
of
these
things
just
come
flying
at
your
face.
It
was
kind
of
like
when
Joe
got
on
council
and
we
did
gun
gun
laws
right
away.
Is
that
sometimes
these
things
happen
kind
of
fast?
D
And
it's
a
great
point,
because
the
working
group
and
they're
gonna
come
for
suggestions,
so
adamant
Rachael
proposed
a
suite
of
services
to
be
offered
for
the
gaps
that
are
being
either
created
or
left
behind
by
coordinated
entry,
and
they
wanted
to
put
it
on
the
work
plan.
They
whittled
it
down
to
a
working
group
sesh
to
happen.
April
14th
asked
council
to
come
forward
with
scoping
some
of
these
things
out
and
then
Rachel
asked.
D
If
the
boards
could
take
a
look
at
from
our
perspectives
on
the
same
issues
and
bring
to
council
our
thoughts
on
it
and
I
have
a
copy
of
what
Adam
had
proposed
as
well,
so
you're
right,
it
would
be
March.
Would
it's
tight
and
it
would
be
a
possibly
a
tight
way
to
try
and
suss
it
out.
But
it's
timely
and
we
should
figure
out
how
it
is
on
their
work
plan,
and
it
is
something
they've
asked
us
to
help
with
so.
J
Kristen
would
your
program
or
your
plan,
your
presentation,
be
prepared
by
then
by
March
on
that
subject,
because
I
think
the
presentation
that
you
prepare
for
council
is
going
to
be
informing
them.
But
it
would
probably
be
helpful
for
us
to
have
that
background
information
as
well
and
maybe
have
incorporate
some
of
that
into
those
sort
of
not
just
the
listening
part,
but
the
informational
part
of
our
of
our
listening
session.
I.
B
Think
we
could
do
what's
needed
to
prepare
for
that
conversation
and
to
have
you
be
informed
and
the
public
to
be
informed
during
that
listening
session.
It
would
be
a
different
presentation
than
one
so
city
council
on
January
received
a
presentation
about
what
we're
already
doing
and
the
successes
and
traction
we
have
made,
and
so
this
next
one
is
kind
of
looking
at
additional
services
additional
strategies
that
could
be
come
into
play.
So
we're
going
to
be
doing
this
work
in
preparation
for
that
April
session
with
City
Council.
B
H
D
My
interpretation
and
you
you
were
sitting
there.
My
interpretation
was
that
when
Sam
had
suggested
making
it
over
into
a
working
group,
she
was
they've
got
obligations,
so
the
earliest
they
could
touch.
It
was
April.
So
Rachel
said
why
don't
we
have
the
housing,
Advisory,
Board
and
I?
Think
she
suggested
one
other
board.
Take
the
Human,
Rights
Commission
I
think
great.
Take
a
look
at
these
and
weigh
in
on
it,
so
that
we
have
these
recommendations
all
packaged
together
when
April
hit
so.
H
Ideas
so
then,
then,
what
I
just
wanted
to
say
is
thus
far
every
listening
session
and
we
basically
had
three.
We
had
the
two
about
the
affordable
housing
experience,
funding,
affordable
housing,
but
then
we
had
one
the
year
before
on
just
people's
issues
about
housing
and
they
were
all
really
good
and
successful
and
I
think,
although
this
is
short
timing,
this
is
really
an
opportunity
for
us
to
really
provide
some
input
to
to
counsel
and
and
so
my
inclination
would
be
to
go
for
it
and.
D
Maybe
it
doesn't
have
to
be
a
full
listening
session.
Maybe
it's
just
something
we
announced
to
the
public
that
if
you
have
thoughts
on
this
and
you
want
to
contribute
in
some
fashion,
you
know
I,
guess
it
would
be
wonks
that
are
really
paying
attention
to
it
and
then
a
few
people
who
just
want
to
be
heard.
Q
D
H
A
Could
have
it
in
a
sense,
maybe
split
where
we
have
a
study
session.
We
can
work
on
this
concept
of
a
suite
of
services
and
filling
those
gaps
that
exist
and
but
have
a
significant
component
of
that
which
again
we
could
put
a
ladder
out
to
say
that
this
is
what's
happening
at
this
meeting.
We're
looking
for
public
input
in
these
areas-
and
you
know
this
is
what
the
format
of
meeting
will
be.
There
will
be
a
public
in
from
X
hour
to
Y
hour
and.
C
Just
have
a
little
Planning
Board
get
from
staff
key
questions
that
get
put
up
at
the
end
of
the
presentation.
Those
key
questions
are
often
really
useful
to
drive
how
we
then
disseminate
information
from
our
board
to
the
City
Council
on
what
we
deliberate
on,
but
also
for
the
public
comments.
So
so
that
might
be
a
good
way
to
kind
of
set
up
those
questions
to
not
just
ask
the
board,
but
also
some
that
kind
of
stimulate
the
public
to
provide.
H
Have
one
wrinkle
to
put
in
this
during
the
calendar
section
I
was
going
to
mention
that
I
believe
our
next
meeting
is
scheduled
during
spring
I
mean
our
March
meeting
is
scheduled
during
spring
break
and
we
might
have
to
pick
a
different
time.
It's
up
to
you
to
decide.
But
if
we
do,
then
that
would
be
a
different
place
and
so
we'd
have
to
give
Cory
enough
time
to
make
sure
it's
a
place
where
people
could
come.
F
H
E
So
it
just
depends
on
whether
or
not
you
guys
agree
to
it.
It
depends
on
when,
in
March
a
lot
of
retreats
happen,
March
April,
so
if
we're
pushing
it
either
later
earlier,
space
could
be
a
challenge,
and
you
know
I
always
try
to
consider
parking
public
transit
for
folks
to
get
to
these
spots
and
so
right
now
it's
just
a
busy
time.
It
could
be
a
challenge,
but
it's
not
impossible.
I
could
find
something
that
could
potentially
work,
but
that's
only
if
you
guys
decide
to
vote
to
move
the
meeting.
Q
Q
E
A
H
I
A
E
C
B
D
Safe
feeds
the
unhoused,
but
it's
on
Saturdays,
that's
usually
not
on
Wednesday
evenings
but
inside
of
a
church.
That
would
be
interesting.
F
B
A
We're
not
gonna
solve
the
details
of
it
now,
but
it
does
sound
like
it
would
be
something
that
we
can
do,
which
would
be
interesting.
Maybe
we
can
move
it
out
into
the
community.
Maybe
we
can
do
an
event
of
sorts
also
to
support
the
homeless
and
then
we're
the
unhoused
and
then
will
we
will?
Who
would
like
to
work
on
that?
If
we
can't
get
two
of
us
to
I
mean
absolutely
Terry
Mason,
okay,
great.
Q
A
Q
A
In
just
structuring
that
I
guess
we're
looking
at
our
March
meeting
I,
don't
know
that
we'll
need
to
make
any
specific
decisions
of
the
February
meeting
around
this,
but
we
would
want
to
have
something
maybe
kind
of
formulated
by
then,
if
you
guys
think
you
can
pull
that
off.
So
we
can
hear
about
it.
I.
A
H
A
D
B
I
do
want
to
answer
that
this
is
a
very
quick
turnaround
and
while
we
are
in
support
would
be
supporting
AB
in
pulling
off
such
an
event.
We
are
also
working
very
hard
to
pull
the
content
together
for
this
and
that
that's
a
big
lift
as
well
so
I,
just
I
just
mentioned
that
like
I,
think
these
are
all
beautiful
ideas,
but
we
just
we
have
to
kind
of
calibrate
with
the
content
versus
event
planning.
So
I
just
asked
that
that
be
considered.
A
D
D
F
A
E
K
A
F
A
I
think
we're
good
on
that
for
now
we'll
go
to
March
will
focus
on
homeless.
For
that
meeting,
all
right
try
to
get
back
on,
have
retreat
planning.
Just
briefly
I
think
we
said,
April
6th
is
what's
looking
like
it
works
for
everybody,
David
I
think
you
said
you
could
make
that
and
we,
if
you
yeah,
if.
H
I
was
just
wanting
to
save
time
yeah,
and
could
it
just
be
that
you
and
I
is
board
chair
and
vice
chair
plan,
the
retreat,
but
ask
everyone
to
give
their
ideas
about
the
retreat
to
us
in
the
next
week
and
then
we'll
come
up
with
the
format
just
to
make
it
easy.
We
can
do
it
a
different
way
if
you
want,
but
I
just
wanted
to
move
along
yeah.
D
A
On
April
6th,
can
we
do
this?
All
in
one
motion,
then
we'll
have
our
retreat
on
April
6th
and
that
we
will
have
it
facilitated,
facilitator,
TBD,
okay,
teri.
Second,
at
any
discussion
or
thoughts
on
it,
you
want
to
put
out
okay,
so
in
that
case,
all
the
A's
for
that
okay,
again,
unanimous
for
April
6th
retreat
date
and
a
facilitator
to
be
determined.
Thank
you.
B
Can
I
just
clarify
really
quick,
so
there
are
a
variety
of
facilitators
that
the
city
has
traditionally
used,
Heather
Bergman
being
he
was
at
the
city
council
retreat
this
past
weekend.
Do
you
want
to
play
a
role
in
the
selection
of
the
facilitator
and,
if
so,
who
would
would
that
be
the
chair
and
vice
chair?
Okay,
the.
D
E
A
A
This
last
item,
real
quick
was:
we
had
had
some
discussion.
Judy
brought
it
up
again
at
the
agenda
meeting
about
in
one
of
our
last
meetings
around
just
kind
of
how
we
engage
with
public
comment
and
an
input
from
the
public
and
I
know
we
got
into
kind
of
mired
into
this.
Well
we're
not
really
any
type
of
a
quasi-judicial
thing
and
I
just
wanted
to.
We
put
it
on
here
just
to
make
a
quick
review
of
that,
because
it
was
Terry
yeah.
We
talked
a
bunch
about
it
and
I
just
want
to
revisit
it.