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Hab-Michael
leccese:
difficult
issues.,
hab-michael
leccese:,
but
I
would
love
to
hear
from
you
as
to
what
your
conversations
on
this
topic,
have
been,
especially
if
you've
been
able
to
speak
with
any
of
our
elected
officials
or
policymakers.
Like
specifically,
what
does
this
look
like
and
you
getting.
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juliette
boone:,
I'm
not
an
expert
in
rent
control,,
but
it
sounds
like
you've
done
a
ton
of
research
on
it,
and
I
was
curious
in
cities
where
you
seen
rent
control
effective.
Do
property
owners
also
get
some
kind
of
relief
when
it
comes
to
property,
tax
increases
and
expenses
that
they
might
incur.
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Hab-Michael
leccese:
and
then,
also
as
an
entity,
any
comment
on,.
I
know
some
folks
commented
to
kathleen
king
and
elements
of
the
plan,.
If
you
want
to
review
any
of
your
comments
on
that,
we
can
talk
about
that
as
well,,
but
this
is
an
action
item,,
so
we
can
have
as
much
discussion
about
it
as
you'd
like.
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Hab-Michael
leccese:
there
actually
are
about,
I
think,
10,000
jobs
in
that
area
already
and
virtually
no
housing,.
So
the
imbalance
to
me
is:
there's
no
housing,.
You
know,
there's
10,000
people
coming
into
boulder
that
no
place
to
live
near
their
their
workplace,
and
I
can
see
another
plan
is
clearly.
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Send
that.
hab,
dannyteodoru:,
okay,
the
housing
advisory
board
enormously
supports
the
plan.
Appreciates.
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Hab
dannyteodoru:
so
jack
that
that's
really,
really
helpful
because,
for
me,.
To
the
extent
that
you
know
our
recommendation
would
be
like
we
something
along
the
lines,
and
I
think.
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dannyteodoru:,
you
know
it
does
seem
like
there's
gonna,
be
a
lot
of
necessary
steps
in
the
process.
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dannyteodoru:-
and
I
wouldn't
want
to
have
to-
I-
don't-
want
us
to
think
we're,
like
leapfrogging
older
area
to
for
some
reason,,
but
I
think
that
you
know,
saying
that
we
encourage,
at
least,
and
that
we
encourage
I'm
expanding
the
possibility
for
housing,
because,
obviously,.
We
all
know
that
we're
kind
of.
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Hab-Michael
leccese:
really
would
be
urging
them
to
move
forward.
Don't
delay,!
You
know
if
you're
going
to
hire
a
consultant,
get
it
started,
but
then,,
giving
them
some
guidelines
on
what
that
consultant
would
actually
do
and
how
that
might
get
community
more
on
board
with
a
future
vision
for
the
players.
Are.
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think.
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terry
palmos:.
Are
we
talking
or.
hab-michael
leccese:
yeah,
absolutely.
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terry
palmos:
yeah?
Everybody
knows
my
opinion
on
a
to
us
to
me
at
us,
and
tiny
homes
are
somewhat
synonymous
and
I'm
all
for
making
it
easier
to
have
them
and
have
more
of
them,,
and
there
should
be
one
and
every
backyard
in
town.
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dannyteodoru:
help
make
things
more
streamlined,
more
efficient,
less
costly,
less
onerous
and
and
the
the
biggest
part
with
all
that,
too,.
I
think,
from
my
perspective,
the
uncertainty
that
people
face
when
they're
when
they're
trying
to
go
through
that
when
they're
making
those
expenditures
too.
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julianne
ramsey:.
I
was
wondering
if
anyone
could
briefly
explain
what
the
current
process
of
setting
up
an
ad
us,
because
I.
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julianne
ramsey:
add
affordable
housing
to
the
city.
I'm
sure
people
have
their
reasons
as
to
why
we
don't
want
that,
but
yeah,
I'm
just
curious
as
to
what
that
process
is.
I
guess.
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philip
ogren
(he/him):,
I
have
a
question.
hab,
philip
ogren
(he/him):
is
a
are
at
us
and
occupancy
limits
closely
related,
when
I,
when
I
was
on
working
with
bedrooms,
are
for
people,.
I
think
I
think
the
understanding
was
that
in
at
you
doesn't
change
the
occupancy
restrictions
of
a
property,
so
like.
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Hab
juliette
boone:,
I
think,
having
somebody,
explain
the
economics
of
to
jennifer's
point
of
how
it
works.
Michael,
I
don't
know
if
you're
you've
got
to
permanently
affordable
edu
and
that's
why,.
If
that's
why
you
can't
rent
it
out,
if
you
were
to
go
away,
that
it
has
to
be
owner
your
home,,
so
you
are
occupied.
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Hab-Michael
leccese:,
we
feel
like
we're,
making
some
money
from
it
and
somebody
else
has
been
doing
it
with
probably
below
market
rate
rent.
There
are
cities
that
have
used
everywhere.
Dc
is
the
one
that
so
he's
brought
up.
The
homes
are
actually
designed
around
that
largely
the
row.
Homes
with
english,
basements.
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Hab-Michael
leccese:,
you
know,
does
it
again,
it
doesn't
mean
everybody
has
to
do
it
and
there
would
be
no
point
in
trying
to
force
that,,
but
if
we
could
get
see,
an
increase
in
misplay
to
use
seems
like
that
would
be
a
win.
If
it's
hundreds
of
them,
that's
that's.
A
lot
of
people
will
get
housing.
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Hab,
philip
ogren
(he/him):,
and
if
we
have
then
we
should.
We
should
announce
that
and
make
it
known
and
sit
and
say
what
a
great
job
we
did
if
we
haven't.
We
should
maybe
analyze
what's
going
on
in
that
neighborhood
and
think
about
ways
to
tweak
it
or
adjust
it
so
that
we
do
have
those
kinds
of
beautiful
places.
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terry
palmos:,
you
know,
there's
not
a
ton
to
create
it's
created.
It's
there.
That's
that's
my
thought,
I'm
whether
it's
good
or
not,
I
mean
I'm
an
old
boulder
guy
and
that's
nothing
that
of
what
I
would
thought
boulder
to
be,.
But
if
you
look
at.
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terry
palmos:,
I
just
don't
feel
it.
I
don't
feel
it.
I
don't
know
how
else
to
say.
It,
you
have
buildings
bulky.
Some
of
the
architecture
is
phenomenal.
I
think
some
of
us
really
bad,,
but
that's
kind
of
how
everything
is
when
it
comes
to
building
things.
Architectural,
such
personal
preference,,
you
know.
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Hab-Michael
leccese:
just
read
the
council
comments
is
summarized
by
bobby
it's
about
it's
all
about
tv,
app,
to.,.
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jay
sugnet:,
the
city,
didn't
pull
the
trigger,
basically
on
changing
the
zoning
to
enable
that
vision
to
happen,.
So
there
I
think,
that's
what
they're
talking
about
in
terms
of
planning
process
to
figure
out
all
right
is
that
the
right
vision
for
the
rest
of
the
area
to
continue
that
what
we're
seeing.
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Hab,
philip
ogren
(he/him):
night
can
I
backtrack
one
more
time:
real,
quick
yeah.
I
think
the
purpose
of
our
last
agenda
was
open
discussion
for
any
of
the
seven
items,,
but
you
would
kind
of
highlighted
five
and
then
three
of
the
five
that
you
thought
were
appropriate
because
of
they
address
middle
income..
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Hab-Michael
leccese:
again,
my
question:
it's
an
open
one
is:
how
do
we
bring
these
concepts
to
the
attention
to
the
decision?
Makers,?
What
kind
of
information
and
case
studies
can
we
provide,,
and
you
know
how
did
we
do,?
That
is
our
role
as
an
advisory
board,
we're
new
primarily
coming
on
policy
direction.
So.
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dannyteodoru:
yeah,
here's
I
I
think,
but
I
can't
remember
the
guy
who
came
and
talked
about
finding
housing
and
first
use
the.
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dannyteodoru:
veteran,
and
he
was
doing
that
project
I
think
up
in
longmont.
If
there's
somebody
that
you
know
some
some
some
group
that
would
be
interested
in.
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dannyteodoru:,
presenting
on
that,
I
mean
that
would
just
be
a
good
start,,
because
I
mean
it's
it's
it's
awfully
nebulous
right,
now,,
but
you
know,
I
think,
having
those
initial
conversations
on
tiny
housing,
help.
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julianne
ramsey:,
yeah
so.
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dannyteodoru:
hybrids
great,
you
know
it
gives
people
the
option
gives
them
the
flexibility
or
whatever,.
But
you
know
I
think
it's
time
and
you
know
we
gotta
get
out.
That's
all
100%
supportive
it.
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jay
sugnet:,
yeah.,
cob,
jay,
sugnet:
I'll,
show
you
another
dashboard.,
cob
jay
sugnet:.
In
a
minute
it
doesn't
have
the
same
amount
of
detail.
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jay,
sugnet:
and
31
to
60
is
41%
so
to
me,.
That
is
quite
the
accomplishment,,
because
if
we
just
relied,
for
example,,
if
we
just
relied
on,
you
know
exclusionary
housing,
all
of
those
units
would
be
built
at
60%
am
on
and,
from
my
perspective,.
The
people
that
were
trying
to
serve
are
those
lower
incomes.