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But
I
believe
the
packet
that
early
the
packet
that
I
downloaded
did
not
have
the
information
that
you
just
showed
around,
how
this
proposal
met
or
did
not
meet
the
university
place.
Historic
district
everything
was
blank
and
there
was
no
information
on
how
it
it
did
conform
or
not
conform
to.
So
you.
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I
guess
the
we
usually,
we
usually
refer
to
the
district
specific
guidelines,,
because
they
are
the
ones
that
we
are
guided
by
if
the,
if
there's
a
conflict
between
those
in
the
general
guidelines,,
so
we
go
to
the
district,
specific
ones.
First,
in
this
case,
the
specific
district,
guidelines,
said
refer
to.
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Alright,,
if
nobody
else
had
any
questions,
I
believe
back
to
you,
abby
thank
you,
claren,.
Thank
you
for
your
presentation.
chelsea,,
thanks
for
that
that
that
question,,
because
I
think
you
brought
up
some
good
points,
and
I
like
marcy,
appropriate
your
attention
to
detail
on
that.
So
I
think
it's,
time
to
move
to
the
apprentice,
presentation,,
brenda
or.
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We
rest,
alter,
many
of
the
design
elements,
such
as
the
roof,
lines,,
and
to
use
specific
types
of
materials
and
constructing
the
building,.
The
result,
once
it
got
approved
however,,
was
that
the
structure
in
the
edu,
itself,
had
been
whittled
down
to
about
half
the
size,
and
because
of
some
of
the.
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Design,
changes,
and
the
materials
we
were
stipulated
to
use
when
we
presented
it
to
potential
contractors,
for
estimates,,
it's
gonna
cost,
about
2
times
as
much,
or
more
to
actually
build
in
the
original
structure.
We
believe
would
cost
so
at
half
the
half
the
building,
for
twice
the
cost.
We
decide
to.
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Whom
it
is
visible.,
so
we're
requesting
approval
for
our
project
as
presented
and
we're
happy
to
answer
questions
about
the
project,
to
the
best
of
our
ability.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that
thorough
presentation..
Do
any
board
members.
have
any
questions
for
joel,.
Let's
moment,
I'm
not
seeing
any
so
now
we
will
proceed
to
public
participation
for
this
particular
agenda
item,,
if
there's,
anyone
from
the
public
interested
in
speaking,
to
this
and
joel,.
Just
so,
you
know.
If
members
of
the
public
do
speak,
you
will
have
3
min
afterwards.
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If
there's
anything
you'd
like
to
add
there,,
we
go.
here's
joel..
You
should
have
control
over
both
your
camera
and
your
microphone
at
this
point
or
rebutt
brenda..
Do
you
see
anyone
who
would
like
to
address,
this?
I
do
not
see
any
hands
up
currently,
just
as
a
reminder,,
you
should
see,
a
raise
hand,
button,
at
the
point
of
your
screen..
I
do
not
believe
in
webinar,
our
attendees
have
our
reactions,
button.,
but
if
you
can't
find
your
race,
hand,
button.,
that's
where
you
would
find
it.
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Know,
components
of
this
I
believe
staff
suggested
one
alternate-
would
be
to
maybe,
potentially
reference,
the
the
car
port.
I
personally
don't
think
that
you
that
I
don't
think
either
is
necessary
if
I
understood
that
correctly,
I
I
feel
like
those
are
both
options,
but,
as
I
see
it
right
now,
this.
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I
would
like
to
have
a
more
robust
conversation
with
the
entire
group
about
that,
so
that
there
is
an
outcome
to
this
that
allows
you
to
have
you
know,
forward
progress
in
whatever
fashion,,
if
they
may
be,
whether
it's
an
approval
with
conditions,
or
you
know
you
withdraw.
I
would
really
like
for
us
to
make
sure.
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There,,
but
I
do
think
that
their
analysis
is
consistent
with
previous
approvals,
and
this
is
something
that
I
think
we
should
discuss
if
you
could
go
to
the
side
elevation
for
a
quick
second,
any
any
side,
elevation,,
maybe
the
next
one,
since
we
haven't
seen
it.
You
know
I
just
wanna
point
out,
again.,.
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Yeah
you
know,.
There
are
many
things
in
here
that
are
horizontal
in
nature,
and
you
know
those
those
small
things
that
we
talked
about
that
have
to
do
with
you.
Know,
exposed
reactor
tales.
If
you
do
or
do
not
want
to
do
the
ways,
in
which
the
trimmer
working
on
the
building
the
banding
that's
found.
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I
think
that
the
2
biggest,
I
guess,
kind
of
problems
with
this,.
Our
I,
think
how
far
the
mass,
or
how
far
in
in
the
site,
plan,
how
far
location
of
the
building,
intrudes,
into
the
space
between
the
house
and
the
new
building,,
and
it
does
seem
like
it
could
be,
pushed
back
a
little
further
towards
the.
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There
was
a
point
somewhere
in
this
presentation
where
staff
was
saying
that
the
overall
size-
or
I
should
say,
footprint
of
this
new
addition,
as
as
opposed
to
what
we
approved
before,
which
was
a
smaller,
footprint,
but
equal
square
footage,.
If
that
overall
size,
is
something
that
really
should
be
considered.
Not
so
much.
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But
yeah,,
so
I
I
don't
have
any
problem
with
that.
and
in
terms
of
the
looking
at
the
listed
staff
proposed
the
roof
ridge
height,
I
mean
that
seems
to
be
a
relatively
easy
thing
to
fix,
and
I
did
have
a
question
about
the
the
issue
of
the
wood
cause
on
recommendation.
I
it
says,
that
the
garage
doors
should
be.
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Historic
accessory
building.,
so
it's
almost
going
to
feel
like
a
bit
of
a
wall
going
down
that
alley
from
past
this
property,.
I
think
that
you
know
john,.
You
brought
up
a
great
point
about
material
in
its
new
construction,,
but
we
haven't
really
addressed
that
well,
enough
in
our
guidelines
that
I
feel
like
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This
is
a
historic
disorder,
and
I
think
what
my
you
know,.
This
is
close,,
but
maybe
not
close
enough
in
my
mind
to
approve
tonight-
and
I
think
part
of
its
mass
and
skill,-
and
I
think
part
of
it
is-
is
being
more
compatible
and
sensitive
to
not
only
the
the
historic
house
at
the
front
of
the
property.
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I
spent
9
h
in
a
1,925.
bungalow,
on
saturday
that
had
such
a
seamless,
sensitive,
compatible
addition
that
walking
by
you'd
never
know
it
was
now
a
fourth
1,000
square
foot
house,,
and
so
I
think
this
in
my
oh,
and
no
pun
attended
all
this
kind
of
misses
the
mark.
At
this
point-
and
I
think
part
of.
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We
could,,
if
we
could
come
up
with
an
appropriate,
can
condition
statement
for
the
things
I
just
described,,
which
are
position
and
scale
relative
to
the
gable
height
of
the
main
portion
of
bringing
those
those
those
roof
lines
into
more
conformity
with
each
other
or
more
harmony
with
each
other.
Then
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Yeah
yeah
and
my
guidance,
would
be
that
the
board
come
to
some
strawful
consensus
about
the
the
scale,
and
the
mass,
like
the
footprint
of
the
building
and
then
check
with
the
owner,
at
that
point,
rather
than
continuing
on,
and
perhaps
a
lengthy
discussion
when
really,
I
think
that's,
a
threshold
question,
I
it
applicant,.
If
you
could
nod
your
head,,
I
can't
see
you?
but
now,
nope,,
your
cameras
off.
Is
it
if
it's
22
feet,?
Can
you
not
or
if
it's
20,
can
you
can.
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Okay.
yeah
yeah.
Would
you
like
me
to
address
the
question
yes,?
This
was
approved
with
conditions..
This
was
the
proposal
that
came
to
the
full
board.
It
I
think,
went
through
2
rounds
at
ldc,
to
to
receive
the
final
approval,,
the
conversations
with
with
joel,
and
he
can
confirm
this
is
led
to
an
end.
The
architect
led
to
the
decision
to.
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Talk
a
little
bit
about
the
square
footage,
one
more
time,
and
then
allow
for
you
to
withdraw,
because
we've
got
a
lot
invested
in
this
already.
time
and
money.,
and
it's
not
clear.
what
the
finish
line
looks
like.
I
think,
that's
probably
the
best
course.
You
know
it's
hard
for
me
to
safely.
sure,,
because
you
know,,
you
guys
are
a
little
over
my
head
and
some
of
the
discussions
on
design
elements.
I'm
I'm
not
an
architect.,
so
I
would
have
to
bring
this
back
to
our
architect,.
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If
we
decide,
move
forward,-
and
you
probably
have
to
listen
to
our
watch,
the
recording
of
the
meeting,
to
to
pick
up
everything,
because
I
certainly
wouldn't
be
able
to
convey
that
accurately,,
I
I
do
it
does
sound
like
withdrawing-
is
going
to
be
our
our
best
option,,
because
that
does
a
allow.
us,.
If
we
decide
to
continue
to
move
forward
to
do
that
with
a
minimum
amount
of
encumberment,
if
I'm
understanding,
what
what
clara
is
telling
us,.
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Yeah.
got
it
that
would
fit,
and
you
know,
as
far
as
the
you
know,
the
existing
shed.
You
know,
I'm
gonna
put
my
distort
preservation
on
my
understanding
is
that
that
was
built
as
part
of
the
house.
That's
where
they
stored
the
carriage
initially
when
they,
you
know,
how's
the
the
horses
down
the
block.,
so
we
we
just
feel
that's
kind
of
a
cool
building
with
its
history,
and
and
we
just
wouldn't
wanna
mess
with
that.
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I
would
be
more
comfortable
if
the
square
footage
is
closer
to
700,
square
feet
and
you
know,
chelsea,.
You
brought
up
some
good
points
earlier
about
square
feet,,
but
part
of
it,
is
to
design
and
mass
at
scale,
because
2
different,
structures,
could
be
the
exact
square,
footage,
but
the
way,
they.
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Thank
you,
chelsea
anything
you
want
to
add
at
this
point,
especially
about
square
footage.
no,.
I
I
feel
comfortable
with
the
way
it
is
now,
and
I
feel
comfortable
with
it,
was
moved
to
the
south.
side.
If
that
is
what
the
majority
of
us
are
more
comfortable
with,
if,
if
that's
possible,,
if
not,
I'm
also
fine
with
it,
the
way
it
is.
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Okay.
well.
yeah,,
decide
it.
now
say:
it.,
say
it,
to
us:
bye,
bye.
yeah,,
I
mean,
it.
sounds
like,.
It's
a
pretty
sounds
like
it's
pretty
clear
recommendation..
So
I,
what
is
the
process,?
Should
we
withdraw?
It
would
be
a
brand
new
application..
Then
claire
would
be
working
to
to
file
a
brand
new
application.
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Okay.
you
know.,
these
are
all
suggestive.,
but
if
you
start
with
the
largest
and
move
your
way
down,
that's
the
way
in
which
I
think
you
know,.
I
would
recommend
that
you
and
your
design
team,
kind
of
deal
with
what
you
read
here.
You
know
you
kind
of
already
have
the
temperature
on
square
footage,,
which
is
I.
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I
Are
interpretive,
but
not
reproduct,
reproduction,,
and
then
all
that
stuff
you
can
go
find
in
the
code,.
You
know,
with
the
way
that
you
actually
accomplish,
that
I
feel
like
is
best
left
to
you
and
your
design
team,
rather
than
us
like,
describing
exactly
what
the
circumstances
you've
heard
from
us
about
whether
or
not.
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It's
a
condition
that
you
can't
use
something,
like
stucco.,
but
I
think,
the
way
that
it's
being
applied
right.
Now,
is
a
little
alien
to
the
site,,
and
I
think
that
it
creates
a
little
bit
of
a
bit
of
confusion,
because
it's
just
hard
to
tell
what
the
primary
thing
of
the
structure
is.
It
looks
like
one
thing
from
what
I.
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Okay,,
thank
you
for
that.
Can
I
can
just
through
a
straw
poll
here,
without
you
know,
unless
people
really
feel
compelled
to
speak
just
a
raise
of
hands
or
people
in
agreement
with
my
summary
of
what
advice
would
be
to
move
forward,
if
you're
in
agreement
raise
your
hand
just
so
we
can
see
okay.,
it
looks
like
there's
3.,
I
see.
3
bills,
not
in
an
agreement.
Is
there
anything
that
bill.
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again,.
All
speaking,
to
the
item
will
be
sworn
in
and
board.
Members
will
note
any
ex
parte
contacts
I'll
give
the
stuff
presentation.
After
that,
the
board
may
ask
questions.
The
applicant
will
have
10
min
to
present
to
the
board.
The
board
may
ask
questions.
Will
then
open
the
public
hearing?
After
all,
members
of.
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Architecture,
and
value
of
the
historic
district,,
the
architectural
style,
arrangement,,
texture,,
color,
and
arrangement
of
color
and
materials,
proposed
seem
to
be
compatible
with
the
character,
of
the
historic
district.
In
reaching
this
conclusion,,
we
mainly
referred
to
the
downtown
urban
design.
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mainly,
because
they
are
very
specific
to
the
downtown.
historic
district
and
the
the
general.
design
guidelines,
mainly
relate
to
residential.
So
the
downtown
urban
design
guidelines,
include
a
very
specific
guidelines,
on
items
to
consider
when
remodeling
non
contributing
buildings,
and
in
general,
these
guidelines.
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Help,
retain
the
historic
character
of
the
overall
district
by
respecting
traditional
qualities,
such
as
massing,
scale,,
storefront,,
details,
and
choice
of
materials,.
They,
the
guidelines,,
also
note,
however,,
that
the
building
is
expected,
to
reflect
the
character
of
its
own
time,.
So
those
are
1.3.
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We
also
consider
that
the
pros.
proposal
was
consistent
with
guideline
1.4
point
b.
and
that
it
activates
fourteenth
street
with
the
traditional
width,
storefronts
and
c
that
suggests
the
warnings,
create
a
traditional
feel
and
do
not
obscure,
architectural
features.
We
considered
the
metal
canopy,
on
the
east
elevation.
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M
M
And
reinforce,
a
human
scale
appropriate
to
the
historic
district.
There
is
an
appropriate
balance
between
traditional
and
contemporary,
with
the
most
contemporary
modifications
at
the
edge
of
the
district.
Further
away,
from
the
paul
street
mall
while,,
the
more
facade
remains,
somewhat
traditional.
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A
G
I
really
do
appreciate
the
thoughtful
deliberation
that
you
give
to
these,
and
maybe
more
importantly,
the
thoughtful
approach,
you
give
to
what
the
the
applicants
needs
are
and
and
how
to
provide
them
with
the
information
we
need
to
move
forward
with
the
project.
So
excuse
me,
I've
got
a
bit
of
a
cold.
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You
know,
adding,
a
homeless,
like,,
another,
26
feet
of
activation,
log
fourteenth,
and
creating
interest
in
what
is
basically
just
a
parking
lot,
right
now,.
So
we
found
2
things
about
this
building,
this
blank
wall
in
the
parking
lot,
and
we're
turning
him,
into
assets,
and
it's,
really
exciting.
For.
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M
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Now
and
we
decided
not
to
continue
with
that-
that
approach
on
the
rest
of
the
building,
and
then
finally,.
The
most
important
thing
from
the
staff
report
is
that
the
project
appears
to
meet
some
design
guidelines,,
which
we
agree
with
and
that
it
is
compatible,
with
the.
As,
as
you
know,
it
was
great.
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I
I
I
So,
okay,
first,
of
all,
I
think
you
know
what
a
great
great
idea.
great
mission
here,
to
divide
the
space
into
smaller,
usable
spaces
for
your
tenants,
and
then
to
do
it
in
a
way,
that
is
relatively
proportionate
to
the
dimensions
of
typical
developable
building
faces
downtown,
which
is
like
2533
50
foot.
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A
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I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
That's
proposed
is
a
little
questionable..
It
doesn't
recognize
the
structure.
doesn't
pursue,
the
standard
pattern
of
it,
being
an
infill
between
openings,
and
then
that
would
be
one
thing
that
I
would
recommend
that
we
have
a
conversation
about
other
things
and
I
wrote
down,
a
couple
of
pieces
here.
But
if
we
go
to
the
other
side,
elevation
for
a
minute.
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L
But
I
think
that
the
sign
band
is
a
piece
of
traditional
architecture,
that
we
find
in
our
downtown
and
understanding
how
that
might
be
executed
on
a
building
like
this
is
important
because
that's
actually
an
aspect,
of
the
detail,.
That
is
the
overall
character
of
the
building.
That
gives
it
interest,
and
that
is
also.
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L
Is
the
existing
cornice,?
That's
just
being
painted.
a
dark
color,
I
think,
was
iron
or,
and
so
you
know
it's
just
as
a
one
to
one
analysis.
Is
there
anything
that's
happening
here
that
might
be
detracting
from
the
downtown
district
or
this
existing
building?
No,
it's
not
a
detraction,
but
I
definitely
think
that
it.
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L
L
L
Are
like?
how
tall
are
the
doors
at
the
chamford
corner?,
and
that
would
be
a
point
of
interest,
I
think.
and
how
those
dimensions
relate
to
the
context
of
downtown,.
The
guidelines
also
talk
about
general
contacts,
not
just
the
context,
of
the
building.
That
is
this
building,
but
how
it
relates
to
adjacencies
and
one
thing
that.
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I
would
wonder
about
is
how
this
awning
hype
relates
to
adjacent
on
it.,
and
I
see
how
it
does
follow.
Some
traditional
pan
patterns
or
the
onings
are
lower,,
but
I
think
that
the
awning
raised
above
the
primary
entrance,
is
something
that
I
don't
think
it's
a
pattern
that
we
often
see,
and
I
think
that
there's
actually.
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A
J
J
J
Strong
character,
kind
of
a
building.,
even
when
it
was
the
record
store,
in
fact,.
It
looked
a
lot
like
that
when
it
was
the
record
story,,
except
for
heroic
art
on
the
fourteenth
street
side.
What
I
really
like
about
this,
I'm
I'm
gonna
function
or
focus
on
that.
I
really
like
the
activation
of
the.
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J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
Section,,
regardless
of
what
the
applicant
has
seen
up
and
down
the
mall.,
these
are
not
things..
We
necessarily
agree
with.
They
have
just
happened.
John
alluded
to
the
you
know:
current
trend
to
paint
everything,,
you
know,
start
black
and
stark,
white,
and
you
know,.
I
don't
think
that's
the
tone
in
tenor,
of
the
pearl
street
mall
honestly,
I
think
he's
more
of
a.
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
So
it's
kind
of
like
a
stucco
return
at
every
intersection..
If
you
go
to
the
images,
that
the
applicant
provided
that
are
the
examples,,
you
know
these
are
buildings
that
I
all
could
tell
you
that
they're
not
the
best
buildings
for
us,
to
emulate.
You
know
they're,
not
the
ones,
that
were
like
hey
go!
Look
at
the
guidelines,.
This
is
what.
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J
J
J
I
feel
like
we
are
missing
something
here
as
a
board,,
and
that
is
actually
the
images
that
are
in
the
design,
guidelines
that
are
really
good
images.
That,,
like
we
shouldn't,
be
spending
time
talking
about
like
some
of
the
things
that
coming
go.
It
is
actually
about
the
mass
and
scale
and
proportion
of
all
of
these.
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J
J
J
J
J
J
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J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
Not
so
much
the
architecture,,
and
I
think
that
I
think
that
if
something
lively
was
happening
behind
that
front
door,
you're
gonna
accomplish,
a
lot
of
what
you
want
to
accomplish,
especially
after
daylight
when
lights
are
coming
from
the
inside
and
alright.
So
that's
that's
kind
of
my
attitude.
I.
J
J
J
J
J
I
think
that-
and
I
you
know
we
talked
about
this
before
james,
hugh
it
really
nailed
down
on
this,
which
is
you
know?
How
does
this
building
relate
to
the
greater
context,
and
I
in
fact
think
that
there
were
images
that
showed
this
building
in
relation
to
jason
buildings
at
1
point,
and
if
not,
I
do.
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P
P
P
P
P
P
O
That
requires
the
most
attention,
and
the
deviations,
from
the
standards
in
which
they
can
be
most
interpreted,
and
start
to
flex.
Actually
in
my
opinion,
can
occur
on
the
fourteenth
street
side,,
and
so
the
ways
in
which
the
applicant
is
doing
that
on
the
fourteenth
street
side,
which
I
don't
think.
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O
O
O
O
O
O
Yeah,,
that
was
that
was
actually
discussed
in
an
earlier
version
of
our
review,.
Was
there
were
there
were
more
actual
in
and
out
type
of
modifications
proposed
to
the
facade
at
that
time,
which
opened
a
lot
of
this,
discussion
and
it
was
discussed
well,
if
you
were
just
using,
the
building
as
is
and
painting.
O
O
Properly,,
and
with
some
subtle
kind
of
articulation,
like
ronnie
was
just
talking
about,
is
a
very
effective
design
material.
Maybe
you
could
use
pay
to
differentiate,
or
articulate
a
little
more
in
a
graphical
way,
without
getting
into
you
know,,
more
constructive
modification
to
the
to
the
building.
Thanks
that.
O
O
O
O
O
O
O
O
O
Know
we
can
put
in
words.
like
consider,,
just
to
kind
of
suggest,,
that
we
would
like
him
to
go
in
a
certain
direction,,
but
for
some
of
the
most
you
know,
demonstrated
concern
about
about
this
application
was
all
about
that
chamber
section
of
the
building
and
about
this,
the
concept
of
quote
monolithic,
a
sense.
O
A
A
See
on
that,
when
in
fact,
he's
not
going
to
be
doing
anything
to
that
wall,
just
painting
cool,
well,.
If,
if
that's
the
case,
here's
what
I
propose,
I
think
I
would
like
to
make
this
motion,
and
let's
let
the
applicant
move
to
ldrc
with
the
aspects
of
this,
that
are
the
qualities,
that
you
know
we
just
talked
about
and
those
that
you
know
might
be
different
like
if.
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O
A
Yeah
you
can
modify
a
storefront
in
a
commercial
building,,
a
traditional
commercial
building,
and
not
have
any
effect
on
the
rest
of
the
building,,
except
maybe
repainted,
and,
and
that
would
be
outside
of
review.
The
review,
would
be
focused
on
the
modifications
actually
being
taken,
which
would
be
limited
to
the.
B
Yeah
storefronts.,
so
I
I
and
I
think
that
this
building
is
a
non
traditional
commercial
building
in
the
context
of
the
mall.,
but
it's
being
treated
in
a
similar
way,.
The
store
fronts
are,
the
things
that
are
happening
up
to
the
heads
of
the
window
are
up
to
the
awning,
height,.
The
rest
of
the
building,
is
just.
A
C
Right?
right?
yeah
okay,
and,
can
I
help
and
okay.
well,.
We
have
to
build
this
list
of
conditions,,
so
we
should
at
least
get
that
done
to
that
point.
To
that
point
on
8,
window,
and
door,
openings,
trim,
let's
put
a
verb
in
there,.
Consider
you
know
whatever
or
or
you
know
whatever
the
phrase
that
ronnie
has
defined,
that
to
mean,
whatever.
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Consider.,
can
I
do?.
Can
I
ask
a
question?
because
chelsea
has
her
hand
raised,
go
ahead.
sorry,,
but
e,
okay,,
so
just
this
process
of
conditionally
approving
something
on
the
condition
that
they
consider
making
these
changes
like,.
I
don't
understand
how
it's
enforceable.
I
don't.
yeah,
like
if
they
come
back
and
say,
okay,,
we
considered
it,
I
mean
in
theory,.
They
met
the
condition.
So
is
that
true.
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C
C
C
C
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C
B
Q
Q
Q
A
B
O
Yes,,
please
read
it.
the
conditions.
Approval
include
one
app
and
she'll
be
responsible,,
completing
the
work
in
compliance
with
the
approved
plans,
except
this
modified
with
these
conditions
of
approval
to
prior
to
submitting
a
building
permit
application
final
issuance
of
the
landmark
alteration
certificate.
The.
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F
F
All
speaking
to
the
item
will
be
so
sworn
in,
and
board.
Members
will
note
any
ex
party
contacts
I'll
give
the
staff
presentation.
After
that,
the
board
may
ask
questions,.
The
applicant
will
have
10
min
to
present
to
the
board
and
the
board
may
ask
questions
and
we'll
open
the
public
hearing.
After
all,
members
of.
F
F
F
F
F
F
F
F
F
F
F
F
F
F
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
I
Intent
of
that
part
of
the
code
is
that
significant
changes
to
the
roof
would
damage
the
integrity
of
the
building,
to
the
point
where
it
would
become
ineligible
for
future
designation.
The
modification
of
the
street
facing
screen
wall,
could
be
considered
appropriate.
The
original
plans
for
the
house.
I
I
I
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Yeah,
that
is
another
option.
yeah.
okay,,
so
there's
3
options.
okay,.
So
I
have
a
question
based
on
the
very
thorough
and
direct
letter
that
we
receive
from
peggy
archibald,
who
was
the
original
owner
and
builder,
with
her
husband,
john,
and
she
was
extremely
clear,
and
direct
about
the
fact
that
sue
mullins.
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A
A
A
F
F
F
F
F
F
F
With
this
home,
or
not,
affiliated,
is
one.
thing.
The
house
does
actually
have
to
stand
on
its
own,
regardless
of
who
designed
it,
and
architected
it
or
built
it,,
and
we
should
at
least
look
at
it
as
you
know,.
We
would
any
other
quote,
forvernacular,
type
of
construction
that
might
have
happened.
You
know
at.
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F
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F
F
You
know,
together,
person,
and
from
the
way
she
wrote
this
this
message,
she
wants
it
to
be
understood
that
in
no
way,
shape
or
form
like
she
said
no
way
shape
or
form
was.
Was
this
building
actually
zoom
owns
design
zoomones,
was
a
transcriber
according
to
a
person
who
was
right
there
at
the
time
that
this.
F
F
I
I
You
know
whatever.
whatever.,
but
looking
at
the
building,
it's
a
beautiful
box,
it's
something
that
some
really
put
some
interesting
thought
into
and
came
up
with
a
gore,.
I
think
a
gorgeous
structure,
regardless,
of
how
much
she
wants
to
you
know
talk,
it
down
what
I
think
we
may
be
starting
to
get
more
into
contact.
for
our
deliberation..
So
I
would
love
to
move
to
the
applicants.
Presentation.
F
Yeah,
I
know
you
guys
started
with
this
question,
I
think,
marcy
answered,
it
there's
conflicting
information,
one
of
our
options.
Tonight,
is
this
state
that
maybe
could
parse
out
some
of
that
conflicting
information,
but
anyway,?
I
would
love
to
proceed
with
the
applicant
presentation.
If
none
of
you
have
questions
of
claire
about
her
presentation
right
now
and
then
hear
from
the
public
who's
been
waiting,
all
evening.
so
with
that
said,.
Is
it
aaron,
kennedy
and
I'm
not
sure
who's
going
to
be
doing
the
presentation,
this
evening
for
the
applicant.
H
I
Total,
however,,
you
want
to
share
that
time,.
So
the
first
speaker
please
go
ahead,
swear
that
you'll
tell
us
that
truth,
and
state
your
full
name.,
thank
you
and
you,
should
each
be
able
to
control
your
microphones
and
your
camera..
We
are
not
able
to
hear
you.
aaron,,
tom
or
jennifer..
If
you
are
speaking.,
we
got
you.
G
Yes.
hello,
are
we?
good,
now,,
okay.
sorry.,
I'm
aaron,
kennedy.,
and
I
swear
to
tell
the
truth.
Tonight.
thank
you,
for
your
perseverance,
and
your
endurance.
here,
this
evening,.
We
really
appreciate
you.,
know
you've
seen
your
way
through
this
and
and
why
don't
I
take
you
through
this,
the
new
information
that
came
to
light
this
week.
I
F
H
The
foreground,
on
the
right,
year,
or
daughter
tests
and
new
information.
for
you,
all
is
that
actually
jennifer,
graham
in
the
home
that
sue
mullins
was
sitting
in
and
that
black
and
white
photograph
in
the
in
the
boulder
camera.
So
she
knows
that
house,
and
we
we
know
her
architecture,,
perhaps
better
than
than
most
of
the
people
on
this.
I
H
Doctor,
in
the
twentys
thirties,
and
fortys
in
boulder.,
my
parents,
founded
the
first
school
in
the
nation.,
probably
they
believe
for
historic
preservation,.
The
conservation
called
campbell
center
for
historic
preservation,.
So
I
grew
up
with
this.
My
parents
were
conservators,
of
antique
furniture,
and
wooden
objects,
worked
for
museums.
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When
not
intending
to
to
change
that
we'd
like
to
expose
that
front
door
to
improve
visibility
and
safety.,
maybe
if,
if
you
can
still
picture
that.,
imagine
your
five-year-old
child
going
around
the
back
side
of
that
wall
on
halloween
to
trick,
or
treat,
or
can
you
imagine
being
inside
that
home,
when
somebody
comes
and
knocks
on
the
door
in
the
dark?
And
no
one
from
the
street
can
see
you
that
wall.
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We
believe
is
a
safety
problem.,
so
we
think
it's
appropriate
to
shorten
by
those
2
sections
that
the
claire
described,
and
we
are
prepared
to
invest
at
least
a
1
million
dollars
to
help.
You
know
bring
this
home
up
to
code.
Some
of
the
things
you
talked
about
in
the
very
beginning
of
this
meeting,
5
5,
plus.
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Hours
ago,,
which
would
include
the
insulation,
and
you
know
the
improve
the
window
rating,
and
the
applyances,
everything,
all,,
the
appliances,
and
everything
are,
you
know-
well
passed,
they're,
useful
lives,
and
the
electrical
wiring,
and
the
in
the
h
back
and
everything
needs
to
be
upgraded,
it's,,
all
basically
original.
As
far
as
we.
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The
house
doesn't
have
an
open
floor
plan,
with
combined
living
spaces,,
which
again
was
part
of
the
innovation
that
was
happening,
and
that
mid-century,
it
doesn't
have
that
today.
But
the
changes
that
we
will
make
will
will
do
that.
We'll
create
a
more
open
for
plan,,
not
that
you're
caring
about
the.
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It
really
wasn't
he,,
he
actually
died
either
the
next
year,
or
the
year
after
that,
when
he
was
building
a
home
in
longmont.
He
hadn't
really
built
that
many
homes,.
He
was
readily
available
and
built
this
home
in
3
months,
time,
which
I
think
says
something
about
the
simplicity,
of
the
home,
which.
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O
This
january
and
I,
just
wanna
make
a
couple
general
points.,
I
do
know
both
peggy
archbald
fairly
well,
and
I
did
have
the
pleasure
of
knowing
zoom,
mullins,
personal,
so
I
do
know
that
kind
of
the
players
in
this
game.
I
want
to
see
that
the
story
that's
produced
by
the
the
staffers
is
compelling.
You
know.
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Be
forced
to
rent
their
property,
my
property
at
5,,
o.,
the
full
truth
and
state
your
name..
You
will
have
3
min
one
thirteenth
street
at
the
end
of
the
call
to
sack
is
already
surrounded
by
4
rental,
properties,,
5,
25,
thirteenth
street,,
513,
street,,
1235,
mariposa,,
1225
mariposa,,
additionally
1,300,
and
80,
or
1,300,
and
80,
fourteenth,
street..
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If
the
kennedys
are
forced
to
rent
their
property.,
this
will
be
6
rental
houses
in
our
neighborhood
of
9
houses,,
which
used
to
be
occupied
by
full-time
year-round
residents,,
who
were
once
committed
to
the
immediate
neighborhood
and
larger
community
of
boulder.
Our
media
environment
has
now
become
transient,
with
little
of
the
neighborhood,
community.
We
used
to.
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Lynn,
let's
try
again.
do..
Does
he
know,?
Do
you
know,
kennedy
about
this
8,000
square
foot
estate
built
a
flagstone
fireplace,
is
being
demolished
through
ldrc
the
landmarks,
design
review
committee,?
This
is
unacceptable,
completely
unbelievable,
almost
10,
it's
almost
unchanged.
What
brenda
is
you
are
not
putting
duct
tape
on
me
brenda,.
This
is
my
lousy.
3
min..
Now
this
house
should
have
gone
through
ldrc,,
not
through
landmarks.
board..
It
should
have
taken
all
of
5
min
to
take
down
these
2
panels,
and
all
the
all
6
events
should
go
down
in
my
opinion.
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These
types
of
things,
in
houses
and
and
that
at
that
time
period
the
screen
wall-
that's
on
the
front
of
the
house-
is
kind
of
a
superficial,
element,,
that's
kind
of
additive,
to
what
is
otherwise,
not
particularly
exceptional,
modernist
facade,
it
it
it
one
of
the
things,.
That's
compelling
about.