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Brenda
ritenour
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we
know
some
of
you
are
certainly
here.
Every
month,
like
our
board
members.,
some
of
you
attend
frequently,,
some
of
you,,
maybe
not
so
much
so..
We
appreciate
the
patience
of
those
who've
seen
these
slides
a
number
of
times,
as
we
share
them
with
folks
who
might
not
be
as
familiar.
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ritenour
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all
remarks
and
testimony
shall
be
limited
to
matters
related
to
city
business..
No
participant
shall
make
threats,
or
use
other
forms
of
intimidation
against
any
person.,
obscenity,
racial
epithets
and
other
speech
and
behavior
that
disrupts
or
otherwise
impedes
the
ability
to
conduct.
The
meeting
are
prohibited.
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Abby
daniels:
some
of
the
projects
tonight.,
we
do
want
to
hear
from
you,
and
we
have
found
it
more
productive.
if
you
work
to
persuade
us,
rather
than
berating
us
staff
or
the
applicant..
As
with
regular
landmarks,
board
meetings,,
you
may
only
speak
at
the
appropriate
time,,
either
during
public
participation
or
during
the
public.
Hearing
on
that
specific
matter.
request
to
speak
outside
of
this
time
will
be
denied.
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Patrick
orourke:
there's
an
application
in
with
friends
of
the
band.
shell,
as
well
as
friends
of
the
tea
house..
I
have
a
couple
of
questions
for
you.
number.
One
is
obviously
I'm
from
historic
boulder,
and
I'm
questioning
whether
it's
permitted
to
have
a
second
application
submitted
simultaneously
or
at
a
later
date.
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Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
it's
associated
with
cecil
c.
cox
and
donald
mccormick.,
this,,
so
cox
lightly
likely
constructed
the
house..
He
and
his
wife
are
associated
with
different
businesses
in
boulder,
and
the
mccormick
mccormick
family
was
connected
to
the
house
for
more
than
60
years..
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Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner::
next
we
go
to
the
architectural
significance..
We
don't
know
if
an
architecture
or
builder
prominence
was
involved..
It's
a
vernacular
house
with
a
bungalow
elements,,
including
the
moderately
pitched
cable
roof,
overhanging
eaves..
Originally
those
had
exposure
after
tails.
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gerwing,
principal
planner:,
though
marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:.
I
I
think
that
the
marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:
history
of
this
construction,,
the
method
of
it
being
originally
a
frame,
and
then
having
a
stone
cloud.,
that's
not
something
that
I've
seen
before,
and
I
don't
think
it
was
very
common,.
And
I
think
that.
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Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
source.,
marcy,
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
and
then
we
go
to
the
environmental
significance..
It's
a
generally
flat
lot
with
mature
vegetation.
the
house.
That's
back
from
the
front
of
the
lot,,
creating
a
front
garden
with
2,
very
large,
mature
trees
along
mariposa.
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Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
then
the
other
criteria
that
is
included
in
this
review
is
the
relationship
to
the
character
which
I've
just
touched
on,
and
then
the
cost
of
restoration
and
the
condition
of
the
building.,
and
I
think,
that's
kind
of
what
it
crux..
What's
it?
the
crux
for
this
one,
because
in
general.
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Abby
daniels:
at
least
scheduling
an
initiation
hearing..
Now
what
I
don't:
know,
marcy
is,,
if
you're,
anticipating
that
engineering
report,
the
first
of
may,
and
our
meeting
is
on
may.
third,,
how
quickly
staff
can
turn
around
that
memorandum,,
whether
you
know
to
support
the
initiation
or
whatever
you
know,,
because
I
think
this
is
more
a
timing
element
than
anything
else
at
this
point.
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pelusio
lmb:,
so
I'm
interviewing
with
john
I.
this
is
a
lovable
building
like
I
have
driven
by
this
many
times
in
my
life.
and
haven't
thought
much
of
it..
I
really
appreciated
the
opportunity
to
walk
around..
I
think
the
applicant
demonstrated
their
knowledge
of
the
building
and
thorough
investigation
of
its
parts,
and
reasoning
for
why
they
see
it
being
challenged.
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And
I'm
very
mindful.,
we
have
2
public
hearings
to
get
to,,
but
I'm
glad
we're
taking
the
time
to
have
this
conversation,,
because
these
stays
are
very
important,
and
work
should
be
done
during
them,
and
I
feel
like
the
ones
we've
commented
on
tonight.
you
know,
progress
definitely
has
been
made
in
the
discussions.
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Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
alright.,
marcy,
gerwing,
principal
planner:
well,
thank
you..
That
brings
us
to
the
end
of
the
discussion
of
pending
or
issued
applications,
unless
there
are
other
discussion
items
from
the
board
members
about
anything.
That's
in
the
statistical
report.
since
we
no
longer
have
a.
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Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
but
the
point
being
is
that
the
start,
significance,
documentation,
and
analysis
will
lead
and
inform
the
next
phase
of
the
park
design,
and
as
such,
there
is
an
urgency
to
move
forward..
I
recognize
that
it's
not
as
fast
as
some
members
of
the
community
would
like,,
but.
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davison,
cob:
oh,
man,,
I
just
came
out
of
the
beautiful
statement..
I
love
to
train.,
well
appreciate
it,
john..
I
I
just
want
to
be
super
clear
because
it
can
be
confusing.,
sometimes
it
the
cultural
landscape
assessment..
I
used
to
work
for
the
national
park
service..
It
was
like
the
standard
way
to
assess
historic
landscapes,
and
it
does
purely
focus
on
the
historic
landscape.
it..
It
isn't.
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daniels:
and
the
landmarks
board
wanted
to
move
forward
with
that,
and
somewhere
along
the
line,,
and
I'm
still
not
clear
on
the
origins
of
this
or
the
genesis
of
this
was
this
proposed
historic
district.,
whether
that
came
from
planning,
staff
or
parks
and
wreck,
I'm.,
not
sure..
But
then
we
got
to
this
june
fourteenth
meeting
last
year
that
I
know.
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daniels:
all
of
block
13
in
the
designation..
The
meeting
notes
from
june
fourteenth,
2,022,
also
sent.
furthermore,
council
direct
staff
to
ensure
that
the
landmarks,,
board,
and
parts,
and
wreck
advisory
board
are
both
appropriately
engaged
in
the
park,
design,
process,
and
that
the
banshill
is
included
in
the
design,
and
continues
to
be
a
centerpiece
in
central
park..
So
what
I
hear.,
I
think
it's
great
that
parks
and
record
planning
department.
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daniels:
boundary
to
include
all
of
block
13
for
the
property
at
1,236
canyon,
boulevard,
city
of
boulder,,
colorado,
landmark,
under
chapter
9,
11,
historic,
preservation,,
boulderary,
vice
co.
1,981.,
but
to
direct
planning
and
development
services
to
prioritize
preparation
of
an
application
to
designate
a
larger
civic,
area,
historic
district
in
2,023,
to
include
all
of
block
13,.
But
I
just
want
to
clarify
right
now
that.
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Clare,
brandt,
cob:,
stop.
okay.,
so
the
criteria
for
review
is
outlined
in
the
boulder
revised
code
under
9
1123..
The
purpose
of
reviewing
demolition
applications
is
to
prevent
the
loss
of
buildings
that
may
have
historic
or
architectural
significance.
That
includes
the
loss
of
architectural
integrity.
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brandt,,
cob:,
stuff.,
clare,
brandt,,
cob:,
thought,,
the
house.
The
property
met
environmental
significance
as
part
of
that
potential
whittier
historic
district..
The
building
is
representative
of
the
typical
building
patterns
in
whittier,
and
contributes
to
the
residential
character
of
the
neighborhood.
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Kathryn
barth:
from
the
heart
statement.,
and
that
is
that
this
neighborhood
is.
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Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:,
capable
of
advising
you
on
what
development
opportunities
might
exist
on
the
site,
and
how
to
either
add
or
change
property.,
which
I
know
you
probably
have
experienced
as
a
realtor,.
But
it
seems
to
me
like
there
are
avenues
of
exploration
that
are
still
available
to
you..
John
is
saying
that
those
are
available
through
our
organization.
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daniels:
thank
you,,
ronnie,
and
now
I'll,
chime,
in.
and,
first
and
foremost,
been.
I
want
to
thank
you
for
your
stewards,
should
up
stewardship
of
this
house,,
and
I
also
want
to
thank
you
for
your
kind
of
thought,
provoking
questions,
and
some
of
the
things
you
were
asking
us
this
evening,
and
it's.
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Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
this
application
started
marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:
well..
One
of
the
applications
started
way
back
in
june
of
2,019,
when
the
property
owners
submitted
a
landmark
designation
application
as
a
condition
of
the
site
review.
Approval.,
we
are
planning
to
bring
those
hearings
forward..
I
need
to
coordinate
with
the
owner.
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gerwing,
principal
planner:
and
then
the
building,
as
it
appears
today,,
and
I
do
acknowledge
that
the
building
is
in
a
state
of
disrepair,,
which
is
why
I
am
heartened
to
see
this
landmark
alteration,
certificate,
application
in
front
of
us,
and
I
just
know
that,
once
restored,.
This
will
be
such
an
incredible.
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Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:
typically,,
the
facade
of
a
building,
is
the
most
prominent
elevation,
and
will
contain
character,
defining
doors
and
or
windows..
The
secondary
elevation
is
typically
a
side
of
a
building
that
has
less
public
visibility,
and
may
have
fewer
significant
character,
defining
features
than
on
a
facade.
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Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
so
it
starts
by
saying,,
retain
and
preserve
existing
historic
windows,,
including
their
functional
and
decorative
features,
etc.,
etc.,,
because
windows
near
the
facade
are
particularly
critical..
Their
protection
may
superceive
the
protection
of
windows.
elsewhere.
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gerwing,
principal
planner:,
where
existing
retaining
walls
are
important
to
the
character
of
the
site,.
They
should
be
preserved
that
doesn't
apply
to
this
case.,
but
the
next
piece
is
to
clean
concrete..
Retaining
walls
are
inappropriate,
regrading
in
the
introduction
of
new
retaining
walls
is
inappropriate.
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Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
I'm.,
almost
there.
so
marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
with
that
staff
recommends
approval
for
this
landmark
alteration
certificate
for
the
rehabilitation..
In
addition
to
the
building.,
I
do
want
to
go
through
the
proposed
conditions
of
approval,
and
there
are
quite
a
few
of
them.,
but.
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marcy,.
Thank
you
for
that
incredibly
thoroughly
comprehensive..
I
I
don't
know
if
you
feel
like
you
just
ran
a
marathon
or
something,,
but
I
don't
know
if
john
and
ronnie
have
any
questions.,
I
don't
at
this
point..
I
also
wanted
to
give
a
shout
out
for
the
renderings
that
you
were
provided
to
include,,
because
to
me
those
are
invaluable.
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Nore
winter:,
the
idea
is
that
that
same
degree
of
transparency
of
glass
railings
would
then
be
carried
forward
in
a
consistent,
manner,
and
certainly
staff
is
right..
We
want
to
be
consistent
in
that
in
that
character
that
that
design.,
so
the
final
slide
just
summarizes
again,.
What
we're
asking
is
that.
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Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:
changes
to
the
conditions,.
I
may
go
off
camera
and
work
with
lucas,
and
come
back
rather
than
trying
to
do
those
on
the
fly..
If
it
doesn't
meet
the
standards,
then
deny
the
application.
I'm
happy
to
leave
this
slide
up
or
toggle
to
the
images
if
it's
helpful.,
but
it
breaks
down.
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Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
the
character
of
the
building,,
and
it
is
on
its
primary
facade..
I
also
don't
find
the
the
reason
of
shoveling
snow
too,
compelling
because
they're
adding
balconies.
That
would
also
need
to
be
shoveled,,
and
so
I
think
that
I
agree
with
john
that
it
would
be
a
very
nice
amenity,,
but
in
terms
of.
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gerwing,
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is
an
interesting
thought.,
marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:.
This
building,
in
its
conception,
is
a
very
symmetrical
building,
right?,
and
so
you
think
about
that
central
stair,
tower,
and
then
the
wings
coming
off
of
it..
It
has
that
character
of
being
symmetrical.
but
then,
once
it
goes
from.
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by
marcy
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principal
planner:,
erasing
marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
that
piece
of
history,
that's
told
on
the
exterior
to
say
that
there
is
a
hierarchy.
Even
in
this
facade,
that
appears
to
be
very
rigidly
symmetrical,,
I
think,
would
be
a
loss
in
terms
of
creating
a
false
history,
of.
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pelusio
lmb:
and
in
general
I
think
that
is
a
positive
direction..
I'm
sure
there's
many
directions.,
but
I
just
want
to
say,.
You
know
those
are
the
tools
that
are
being
employed,
or
being
requested
to
be
employed,
and
using
them
consistently
as
the
new
tool
across
the
building
is
the
right
approach.
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pelusio
lmb:
this
elevation,,
I
think,,
has
room
for
more
modifications,
and
I
agree
a
100%
with
what
marcy
is
saying
about
the
creation
of
new
openings..
So
that's
in
conflict..
I
guess
I'd
be
curious
to
hear
what
john
and
I
have.
you
have
to
say
about
the
creation
of
new
openings
on
this
elevation.
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pelusio
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you
know,,
I
think
debatably,,
there's
greater
opportunity
to
make
modifications
to
it,,
and
even
this
lightweight
structure
is
blocking
some
aspects
of
the
building
to
some
degree..
So
I'm
really
torn
about
my
position
on
modifications
to
windows
on
the
north
side
of
the
building.
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yes.,
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ronnie
pelusio
lmb:,
I'm
really
really
torn
on
this.,
but
I
think
I'm
just
gonna
say.
and
it
doesn't
feel
great,
because
I
know
that
there
are
multiple
interpretations,,
but
I
think
that
it
could
be
approvable
to
make
the
types
of
modifications
that
are
being
suggested.
and
if
we
could
see
the
bat
this
elevation.
I'll
just
talk
about
them.
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pelusio
lmb:
window.
number
16,,
which
is
an
existing
window.,
looks
like
it's
actually
getting
taller..
So
I
don't
know
if
that's
approvable,
that's
in
the
lower
left..
It's
not
that
one..
If
you
go,,
there's
2
window
16,
that
one.
and
so
that's
a
little
confusing
to
me..
Can
a
modification
be
made
to
that?.
It
doesn't
seem
like.
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pelusio
lmb:,
I
don't
know.,
I
mean
I
don't
know
how
you
pick
them
apart.,
you
know..
Is
it
an
up
and
down,
or
is
it
east
and
west?
or
is
it
a
combination
of
both?
or
is
it,
I
think,?
What
marcy's
position
is.
Is
that
like
you,
shouldn't
make
modifications
to
it,
and
I
think
that
to
more
strict
interpretation
of
the.
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pelusio
lmb:,
so
I
would
say,
if
I
were
to
say
which
one
can't
you
do
the
upper
right,
hand,
one,.
If
there
is
an
opportunity
to
definitely
do
something.,
it's
the
door
on
the
lowest
level.,
if
there
is
an
intermediate,
it
set
of
requests,,
I
think
it's
the
stacked
windows
that
occur
underneath
the
balconies.
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pelusio
lmb:
and
I
sit
in
the
middle
on
that.,
but
I
can
see
them
being
approvable.
and
so,
in
short,.
I
think
that's
where
I
land
just
to
progress..
This
is
that
the
uppermost
window,
I
don't
think,
is
approvable,,
but
I
think
the
other
windows
are,
and
that
they
should
demonstrate
or
try
to
maintain
existing
still
heights
if
they
are
replacement.
Window.
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pelusio
lmb:,
the
former
nurses
dormitory
at
the
academy
of
mapleton
hill
at
2543
fourth
street,
previously
addressed
3,
1,
one,
mapleton,
have
a
pending
individual
landmark..
Finding
that
the
proposal
meets
the
standards
for
issuance
of
landmark,
alteration,,
certificate,
and
chapter
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planner:,
what
marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:?
What
is
now
in
front
of
us
is
that
this
approval
is
subject
to
a
16
day
call
up
period
by
city
council.
If
they
choose
not
to
call
it
up,,
then
the
decision
is
final,
and
then
the
applicants
would
return
to
the
landmarks
design
review
committee.
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principal
planner:,
so
we've
put
together
some
marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:
info
on
our
website,.
So
get
the
word
out..
You
can
direct
people
to
call
me
if
they
have
questions.,
but
this
website
should
give
a
general
overview
of
what
it
entails.
The
time,
commitment,
etcetera.
so
share
the
word.
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planner:,
there's
here
are
some
suggestions
for
the
2,023
awards,
and
then
there
are
some
last
minute
editions
here
that
are
on
this
slide.,
so
one
that
has
come
up
in
many
conversations.
I've
been
part
of
is
the
wonderful
chatauqua
pavilion
reconstruction
that
ronnie
polyzio
is
involved.
In.
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the
thing
real
quickly
about
rosetta
hall
is,.
It
is
in
a
historic
district,,
even
though
it
was
a
non
contributing
building,
and
what
I
noticed
during
covid
that
that
fabulous
rooftop
is
one
place
where
my
family
went
comfortable
going
one
december,,
because
we
could
go
to
the
rooftop
in
nice
weather
and
eat
outside..
So
it
became
sort
of
this,
this
sanctuary
during
the
global
pandemic.
Where
they,
you
know,,
they
were
not.
every
table
could
be
used..
They
they
had.
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gerwing,
principal
planner:
give
awards.,
and
so
the
only
thing
I'm
mindful
of
is
not
taking
up
too
much
time
and
the
awards
ceremony,,
knowing
that
there's
so
many
other
things
to
recognize..
So
I
was
going
to
say,
well,.
Let's
just
give
5
awards
and
say,.
This
is
because
we
haven't
given
awards
in
3
years.
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daniels:
and
we
could
do
this
over
email
unless
you
guys
know
which
one
you'd
like
to
that,,
I
think
in
the
past,,
when
several
different
board
members
have
handed
them
out
that
works,
well.,
so
they're,
hearing
different
voices
and
seeing
that
you
know
we're
real
people.,
so
I'd
be
happy
to
do.
One.
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daniels:
what
we
thought
it
might
go
at
the
agenda
meeting..
But
I
just
gotta
say
that
I
feel
so
encouraged
by
what's
been
happening
during
the
stays
of
demolition
on
some
of
these
properties,,
and
I
think
that's
where
we
took
a
little
more
time
to
get
an
update
and
have
a
conversation,.
And
I
think.