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Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
the
following
are
examples
of
rules
of
decorum
found
in
the
boulder,
revised
code,
and
other
design
and
other
guidelines
that
support
this
mission..
These
will
be
upheld.
during
this
meeting.
All
remarks
and
testimony
shall
be
limited
to
matters
related
to
city
business..
No
participants
shall
make
threats,
or
use
other
forms
of
intimidation
against
any
person.
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Abby
daniels:,
I
do
want
to
acknowledge
that
tonight
we
have
a
quorum
for
the
landmarks
board
as
with
in
person
landmarks,
board
meetings..
The
recording
of
this
meeting
will
be
available
in
the
record
archives
and
on
youtube
within
28
days
of
the
meeting.
We'll
do
a
very
quick
roll
call
and
introduction..
I'm
abby
daniels,,
chair
of
the
landmarks
board.
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Brenda
ritenour
(she/her):,
as
I
have
worked
behind
the
scenes
with
marcy
and
abbey,
and
aubrey
and
claire
and
christopher,
through
the
year,,
to
to
make
sure
that
they
are
ready
to
sort
of
lead
this
zoom
space
on
their
own.,
but
I'm
still
with
the
city,
and
and
thank
you
so
much,
mark,
for
your
appreciation..
I
I
really
appreciate
it.
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Abby
daniels:.
We
know
that
there
are
people
here
tonight
to
participate,
who
may
have
strong
emotions
about
the
project..
We
want
to
hear
from
you,,
but
we
do
find
it
more
productive
if
you
are
speaking
to
persuade
us,
rather
than
berating
us
staff
or
the
applicant,,
as
with
regular
landmarks,
board
meetings,,
you
may
only
speak
at
the
appropriate
time
during
the
public
hearing.
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Patrick
orourke:
and,
patrick,,
you
may
be
muted.,
I
don't
know
if
you've
started
speaking.
oh,
no,,
I
got
you.
okay.
thank
you..
The
screen
changed
when
she
did
that..
So
the
the
unmute
button
moved
from
the
side
of
the
screen
to
the
right.
good
evening..
You
know,
as
you
know,
historic
folders,,
a
county,
wide
organization.
and
so
recently,
we've
been
very
active
outside
boulder.
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Patrick
orourke:,
they
snapped
it
off
about
the
line
which
you
know.,
that's
just
just
not.
okay..
If
you're
going
to
do
something
like
that,,
it
just
has
to
be
done,
appropriately,
and
it's
being
stored
someplace..
But
this
is
somebody
needs
to
follow
up
with
city
council,
who,.
I
believe,
voted
to
have
it
removed,
and
their
february
hearing.
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Patrick
orourke:
attract,
a
timetable,
patrick
orourke:,
that
would
move
forward..
That
would
be
possible
for
the
city,,
the
current
sitting
city
council
to
hear
it,
and
so
the
ones
that
directed
staff
to
move
forward
with
working
together,
and
then
finally,
we're
looking
to
see
some
sort
of
coordination
between
the
landmarks
board
and
the
parks
board..
I
know
staff
is
talked
amongst
each
other..
I
don't
know
that.
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Franmandelsheets:,
as
you
know,
it's
almost
a
year
to
the
day
that
the
landmarks
board
proposal
to
extend
the
banshell
property
was
rejected
by
council,,
and
we
were
promised
that
might,
that
we
would
be
collaborative
work
towards
the
district,
and
as
far
as
we
can
tell
us,,
citizens,
anyhow,.
It
hasn't
really
happened..
And
for
this
reason,
the
historic
boulder,,
the
friends
of
the
band
shell
and
the
friends
of
the
atrium,
worked.
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Franmandelsheets:
hard
to
in
a
group.-
I
mean
the
franmandelsheets:
friends
of
the
tea
house.
worked
hard
to
bring
this
group
together
to
produce
the
application
for
the
historic
district..
The
application
is,
as
of
last,
week.
has
been
accepted,
as
you
know,
and
the
clock
is
ticking,,
and
you
should
hear
the
initiation.
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Franmandelsheets:
in
your
next
meeting
on
the
twelfth
of
july,
and
hopefully
you'll
designate,
the
district
and
council
will
follow
with
your
recommendation.
and
don't
forget
that
this
process,
until
you
initiate,
is
a
legislative
process..
So
you
can
talk
and
you
can
ask,
and
you
can
hear
from
us
regularly.
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Franmandelsheets:
anuda.
there's
so
many,
and
patrick
patrick,
is
right
up,
there,,
too,
and
so
is
len
siegel..
So
there's
just
a
ton
of
information
in
history
about
this
area..
It
really
is
the
heart
of
boulder..
Most
people
living
here
haven't
been
here
really
long
enough
or
enough
time
to
really
know
or
understand
the
significance
of
this
area.
so.
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Lynn,
segal:
for
the
future
of
landmarking
stuff
in
boulder,
for
example,,
my
house,,
the
siding
is
melting.
Away.,
the
the
gutter
just
fell,
off.
it
was
aimed
towards
the
house,.
So
it
was
just
bleeding
all
this
rain
tonight,
slamming
it
into
my
siding,,
which
is
the
the
addition
part
of
the
house..
The
first
part
of
the
house
is
1,949,
the
editions
93.
and
it's
just.
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Lynn,
segal:
there,.
There
need
to
be
some
lynn,
segal:
kind
of
lynn,
segal:
encouragements
for
people
like
me.
the
public,.
When
I've
got
my
own
son,
who's,
an
architect,
saying,
mom
is,,
you
should
just
scrape
it,
you
know,
and
my
brother
and
I
are
you,
over
which
house
is
more
of
a
scrape.,
his
in
south
boulder,,
which
I
think
is
much
more
of
a
scrape
than
line.
mine's
made
of
frame,.
You
know,,
like
wood,
siding,,
etc.
so.
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Lynn,
segal:,
you
know..
I
know
that
if
I
landmarked
it,
I
could
get
some
benefits.,
but
I
want
to
know
just
practically
to
get
these
demolitions
from
stopping
and
boulder
from
places
that
you
have
no
jurisdiction
over,,
because
these
are
demolitions
of
the
future.
you're,
never
going
to
see
him
because
they
were
demolished
first..
I
also
wanted
to
put
up
my
support.
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Chelsea
castellano:
reiterate
that
or
or
share.
sorry,
I'm
having
trouble
starting
talking
tonight..
But
I
just
wanted
to
share
that.
I
would
not
be
supportive
in
any
way
of
putting
this
marker
back..
It
was
removed
with
the
support
of
the
arapaho
and
cheyenne
national
tribal
representatives,,
because
it
inaccurately
stated.
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Abby
daniels:
thank
you,
chelsea,
and
you
obviously
know
more
about
this
than
I
do,,
because
I
think
my
first
questions
about
this
was
more
the
process.
and
you
know,,
whose
property
does
it
really?
land,
on,
and
and,
marcy,?
I
don't
know
if
you
know
anything
about
this,,
and
I
know
I
don't
know
if
we
can
take
just
a
few
minutes
to
respond
to
both
patrick
and
carol's
remarks
about
that.,
but
for
me,.
My
concern
may
have
been
more
a
process
issue,,
but
I
I
don't
know
much
about
it.
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Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
because
it
is
city
owned
land
in
the
county,
and
so
and
managed
by
the
open
space
and
mountain
parks,
department.,
and
so
because
it's
in
the
county,,
even
though
it's
owned
by
the
city.,
the
city
of
boulder
landmarks
board,
doesn't
have
jurisdiction
and
then
also,.
It's
not
a
landmarked
site..
And
so
it's.
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Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
had,
hearing
for
the
review
of
the
full
demolition,
and
chose
to
place
a
day
of
demolition
on
the
application,
in
order
to
provide
time
to
look
at
alternatives.
John
and
abby
were
the
board
representatives,
and
we
met
virtually
in
april
fourth,
and
then
an
onsite
meeting,
april.
Eighteenth.
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Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:
and
then
at
your
last
regular
meeting
on
may
third,.
You
all
voted
to
schedule
a
meeting
prior
to
the
stays,
exploration,
and
the
main
conversation,,
or
what
came
out
of
the
conversations
during
this
day,
is
an
openness
on
behalf
of
the
applicant
to
preserve
a
portion
of
the
building
and
incorporate
the
alley
side
facade
into
the
redevelopment.
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Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
just
really
quick..
What
is
a
tolling
agreement
in
this
context.
yes,?
So
it's
a
an
agreement
between
the
owner
and
the
city
to
pause
the
requirements
in
the
code.
and
so
because
it's
mutually
agreed
upon.
into
a
date
certain.
we're
able
to
provide
more
time
than
then
would
be
allowed
by
the
regular
code.
Process.
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Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:
and
talked
about
or
kind
of
better
understood
the
structural
issues
and
constraints
of
this
property
doing
part
to
its
method
of
construction.
and
also
it's
location
within
the
flood.
Plane.
the.
What
came
out
of
those
conversations
was
it's
kind
of
a
general
direction
that
it's
important
to
document.
This
building.
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Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
for
being
transparent
about
your
intentions,,
and
I
would
say,
now
I
think,
you're
going
above
and
beyond,
with
your
continued
thoroughness,
and
describing
what
your
intentions
are,
and
I
just
really
appreciate
it..
I
think
that
what
was
described
in
the
letter
will
be
a
wonderful
way
of
documenting
and
honoring
the
project.,
and
I
wish
you
guys
the
best
of
luck.
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Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner::
that's
in
part
because
the
clock
starts
taking
the
day.
The
fee
is
paid,,
but
the
application
isn't
always
able
to
be
scheduled
for
the
first
landmarks
board
hearing..
So
while
the
fee
was
paid
earlier,
this
spring,
the
landmarks
for
hearing
wasn't
until
april
twelfth.
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Abby
daniels:,
I
don't
know
what
my
colleagues
on
the
board
think.,
I
still
believe,
it..
I
think
it's.
The
reason
this
day
was
placed
on
this
property.
Is
that
there's
probable
cause
to
believe
this
is
eligible
for
landmark
designation,
and
I
I
would
lean
towards
going
ahead
and
scheduling
it,.
Even
if.
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Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:
okay,.
I
appreciate
that.
and
I
will
say
that
we've
had
so
many
days
of
demolition.
This
year,
and
I
think
that
the
other
3
are
models
of
how
the
process
is
supposed
to
work.
and
with
this,,
when
it's
just
been
fortunate
that
we
have
not
been
able
to
utilize
that
time
like
we
have
with
the
other
ones.
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Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
I
think
that
it,
my
recommendation,
would
be
that
the
board
do
schedule
a
hearing
for
july
twelfth,,
because
then
you
have
options.
the
options
at
that
hearing
could
be
landmark
initiation
of
the
landmark
designation
process..
You
could
craft
the
motion
so
that
you
could
also
approve
the
demolition..
If.
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Clare,
brandt,,
cob:
I'll
then
give
the
staff
presentation..
After
that,
the
board
may
ask
questions..
The
applicant
will
have
10
min
to
present
to
the
board,,
and
the
board
may
ask
questions,,
will
then
open
the
public
hearing.
after
all,
members
of
the
public
have
made
comments,.
The
applicant
may
respond
to
anything
that
was
said.
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Clare,
brandt,,
cob:,
architecture,,
arrangement,,
texture,,
color,,
arrangement
of
color
and
materials
are
compatible
with
the
character
of
the
property.
and
that
the
lamarks
board
considers
the
economic
feasibility
of
alternatives,,
incorporation
of
energy
efficient
sign
and
the
enhanced
access
for
the
disabled.
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Clare,
brandt,
cob:.
The
variety
of
reforms
in
the
district
are
an
important
visual
element.
dormers
are
intended
to
be
elements
of
secondary
importance
to
the
main
roof
form
and
should
be
lower
than
the
main
roof
ridge
compatible
with
the
size
and
scale
of
the
existing
building,,
and
include
windows
that
are
similar
in
proportion
to
first
floor
windows,.
But
smaller.
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Clare,
brandt,
cob:
for
elevations
visible
from
public
streets..
The
relationship
of
solid
to
voids
should
also
be
compatible..
Windows
should
be
trimmed
with
material
similar
in
scale.,
proportion,,
finish,
and
character
to
those
used
traditionally,
opening
should
indicate
floor,
levels,
and
generally
should
not
occur
between
floors
and
dormer.
Windows
should
be
similar
in
proportion
to
first
and
second
floor
windows,,
but
smaller.
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Clare,
brandt,
cob:.
We
did
consider
that
the
following
changes
are
needed
to
ensure
it
is
consistent
with
the
guidelines.
simplify
the
building
to
differentiate
it
as
an
accessory
building..
This
would
include
eliminating
the
divided
lights
in
the
windows
and
traditionally
scaling
the
size
of
the
windows,
using
smaller
windows
at
upper
levels.
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Clare,
brandt,,
cob:
this!.
To
summarize
our
findings,,
the
proposal
will
be
generally
consistent
with
the
purposes
of
this
chapter
will
not
damage
the
historic
character
of
the
landmark
property,
or
the
exterior
architectural
features
of
the
property..
The
architectural
style,
arrangement,,
texture,,
color,
and
arrangement
of
color,
and
materials
used
on
the
addition
will
be
compatible
with
the
character
of
the
existing
building
and
its
site,
and
the
historic
district.
L
Clare,
brandt,
cob:
and
the
proposed
work
will
not
adversely
affect
the
special
character
or
special
historic,
architectural
and
value
of
the
landmark
property,,
as
it
is
generally
consistent
with
the
general
design
guidelines,
and
will
generally
comply
with
sections
2.0
and
3.3
of
the
general
design.
Guidelines,
and
section
9,
1118.
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Clare,
brandt,,
cob:
and
the
board
may
ask
questions,,
will
then
hear
comments
from
any
member
of
the
public
who
wishes
to
speak.
The
applicant
may
have
an
additional
have
additional
time
to
address
anything
set
during
public
comment,
and
then
board
will
ask
everyone
to
mute
their
computers,
and
will
deliberate.
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Renee
golobic:
hi!,
but
I
first
want
to
say,
you
know..
Thank
you
to
claire
for
an
awesome
presentation
as
well..
She
does
a
really
good
job
of
bringing
forth
a
lot
of
critical
details
for
the
landmarks
board
for
this
and
presenting
it,,
and
thanks
for
the
landmark
for
for
being
here
to
listen
to
the
presentation..
So
I
am
going
to..
I
guess
I'll
address.
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Renee
golobic:
the
2
questions
real
quick.,
if
that's
okay.
and
then
I'll
address.,
we
did
get
some
emails
that
were
sent
around..
It's
why
I
want
to
address
some
of
the
concerns
of
the
neighbor
property..
If
I
could
interject
one
moment.,
my
name
is
lucas,
sparkling
with
the
city,
attorney's
office..
I
just
want
to
make
sure
abby
has
a
chance,
to.
yeah,
lucas,.
You
beat
me
to
that..
So
since
this
is
the
quad
quasi
judicial
hearing,
rene,,
if
you
will
raise
your
hand
and
swear
to
tell
the
board
the
phone.
A
A
O
O
O
O
O
Renee
golobic:
a
camp
for
kids,
and
learn,
teaches
kids
how
to
bike.,
and
so
a
lot
of
that
has
to
do
with
bikes
and
bringing
in
the
bike..
So
the
storage
unit
is
basically
to
accommodate
the
extra
for
his
camps
and
learning
how
to
teach
the
kids
how
to
bike..
So
a
lot
of
that
storage
is
going
to
be..
So
it's
not
considered
part
of
the
avo..
It
will
not
be
the
abu..
It
will
be
only
used
for
the
main.
O
O
Renee
golobic:,
they
renovated
the
house..
This
is
their
dream
home,
and
they
renovated
the
house.
during
covid
and
the
his
grain,
and
sarah
lived
in
the
house,
and
when
she
moved
in,
and
less
than
a
year
of
moving
in,,
she
was
diagnosed
with
terminal,
brain
cancer.,
and
so
within
the
year
she
passed
away
in
the
house..
So
there's
a
lot
of
good
memories
and
a
lot
of
bad
memories.,
but
it
was
their
dream.
Home.
O
O
O
Renee
golobic:
some
other
concerns.,
was
the
tunnel
effect
on
the
alleyway.
and
I,
wanna.
You
know,
speak
to..
There's
some
pictures
in
the
packet
that
talk
about,
and
I
don't
know
if
claire
has-
can
pull
that
up..
But
it's
the
site
plan,
with
all
the
different
garages
and
a
lot
of
the
garages
have
overhead
doors,
and
you
know
our
unit.
and
they
have
the
gable
and
facing
the.
O
O
Renee
golobic:
story
effect,,
so
it
does
not
contain,.
You
know,
does
not
create
that
tunnel
effect.
and
then
there's
some
windows
that
allow
for,
you
know,
different
materiality.
and
you
know,
articulation
down
the
alleyway,.
It
again
will
be
set
back
further
than
what
the
existing
building
is.
the
existing
building
is
one
and
a
half
feet..
This
building
will
be
set
back
according
to
the
setback,,
which
is
3
8.
O
O
Renee
golobic:
the
neighbors,,
you
know.,
they
get
to
see
the
rooftop
deck..
This
will
actually
create
a
lot
of
privacy
for
the
neighbors,
and
you
know,
and
a
lot
of
privacy
for
my
client
on
their
roof
deck..
So
I
just
want
to
address
that,
and
the
parking
was
an
issue
currently,.
The
parking
right
now
is
actually
a
parallel
parking
space,,
because
the
way
you
enter
the
garage
is
from
the
east,
and
so.
O
O
O
O
O
O
O
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
O
O
O
O
O
D
D
D
D
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:.
So
if
you
were
to
align
up
the
faces,
or
if
you
were
to
line
up
the
spring
points
for
either
the
dormers
or
the
primary
roof.,
they
don't
spring
from
the
same
points,
and
it
implies
that
the
gable
is
not
in
the
center
of
the
building,
or
that
there
are
multiple
knee
wall.
Heights,,
slash
plate,
heights.
D
O
N
D
D
O
D
D
D
ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
you
know,,
it's
got
a
more
historic
trim,
work
around
all
of
the
windows
where
there's
a
cap,
and
then
there's
a
horizontal
piece,
and
in
some
cases,
there's
actually
a
little
piece
of
trim.
and
so
in
in
the
3d
model.
Image.,
if
you
go
to
the
3d
model
image?,
it
looks
to
me
like
the
3d.
on
model.
Image.
doesn't
show
any
of
that.
is
what
what's
what's
your
plan?
is
it?.
D
O
K
K
A
Abby
daniels:
thank
you,
chelsea,,
so
we
will
move
on
to
public
comment..
Since
this
is
quasi
judicial,,
we
will
swear
in
every
speaker.
and,
rene,.
I
think
you're
familiar
that
you'll
be
given
an
additional
3
min
after
public
participation
to
address
anything
that
was
raised
during
public
comment..
So.
A
B
A
A
P
P
P
P
Jason
hsu:
we're
just
respectfully
requesting
an
adjournment
on
the
matter
until
the
next
board
meeting,,
so
that
the
neighbors
of
the
property
can
properly
review
and
address
the
proposal..
My
client
didn't
receive
any
notification
about
this
proposal..
My
understanding
is
that
notice
was
mailed
out,,
but
my
client
didn't
receive
it.
P
Jason
hsu:,
I
don't
want
to
get
into
process,
and
all
that.
my,
we're
just
asking
for.
my
my
client
only
heard
about
the
proposal
and
the
meeting
from
a
neighbors
about
2
days
ago,.
While
he
was
on
an
international
business
trip,
we're
just
asking
for
some
more
time
to
look
through
all
the
materials,,
the
excellent
presentation,
and
properly
submit
a
public
comment..
That's
all
we're
asking
for
right!
Now.
Q
A
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
A
J
Lynn,
segal:
think
this.
lynn,
segal:.
The
space
is
actually
subordinate
to
the
main,
else,.
According
to
your
guidelines,,
I
was
mixing
this
up
a
bit
with
that
house
with
the
antlers
on
it
on
the
corner,,
because
there,
that
had
just
been
reviewed.,
but
I
see
that
it's
in
the
middle
of
the
street..
I
know
the
situation
there.
and.
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
S
S
S
S
Laura
harbin:,
a
checklist
with
cherry-picked
points
that
cunningly
meander
between
discussing
a
traditionally
used
garage,,
a
historic
stable,
and
an
edu..
The
reality
is
this:
application
is
for
new
construction
of
a
speck
house
that
is
larger
than
7
homes
within
a
block
that
are
on
their
own
lots,,
not
behind
a
larger
primary
home.
S
Laura
harbin:,
I
am
begging
the
board
members
to
keep
in
mind
that,,
comparing
this
structure
to
surrounding
structures
that
are
used
as
garages
is
not
comparing
apples
to
apples,,
because
none
of
those
are
currently
being
used
as
a
to
use.
The
surrounding
garages
that
are
already
existing
do
not
violate
the
privacy
of
neighboring
homes..
They
do
not
pose
any
sort
of
noise.
S
A
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:
and
again,
if
you're
a
coin
on
the
phone,,
it's
star,
9,
and
if
you
are
in
zoom,
the
reactions
function.,
you
then
choose
the
raise
hand,
function,
there.
as
brenda
would
say,
give
it
a
nice
7
s
or
so,,
and
then,
if
there
are
no
additional
hands,,
I
think
it's
safe
to
move
back
to
the
applicant's
response.
A
O
O
O
O
O
D
O
O
O
O
A
A
Abby
daniels:
keep
be
watchful
of
a
timer,
and
abby
daniels:
she'll
be
our
time
checker
this
evening.,
I
don't
know
if
anyone
wants
to
kick
off
this
discussion.
I,
for
those
of
you
who
may
have
never
attended
a
landmarks
board
meeting.
the
ordinance
provides
for
5
landmarks,
board
members,,
but
intentionally
2
of
them
are
design
professionals.,
so
sometimes
with
this..
It's
very
helpful
with
one
of
our
architects,
k.
A
T
T
L
L
L
B
L
T
T
T
T
T
T
T
C
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:-
I
I
can
speak
to
that.,
so
there
is
a
saturation
limit
under
the
current
accessory
dwelling
unit
regulations
for
historic
properties,.
It
actually
increases
from
20
to
30..
But
my
understanding
is
that,
with
the
new
au
regulations
that
go
into
effect.
september,
first,
that
saturation
limit
is
eliminated.
and
so.
B
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:
and
then
to
t
up
the
board's
discussion..
We
do
have
those
questions
to
help
frame.
The
discussion
that
goes
first
with
is
the
demolition
of
the
building
appropriate,
and
then
go
from
the
mass
scaling
location
down
to
the
next
level
of
details
of
dormer's,
roof,
deck
windows,
indoors,
and
then
finishing
with
the
materials.
we're
happy
to
share
those
in
the
screen..
If
it's
helpful
for
the
board's
deliberation.
D
D
D
D
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:,
as
well
as
the
context
map.,
is
very
helpful,,
and
you
know
that
those
are
the
things
that
allow
me
to,
and
the
rest
of
the
board
member
to
better
engage
about..
You
know
the
topics
that
I
brought,
up,,
which
I
will
have
some
comments
on
them.,
but
I'm
just
gonna
run
through
this..
I
I
think
staff
has
adequately
provided..
Then
the
applicant
has
as
well.
that
the
demolition
of
the
existing
garage
is
inappropriate,
due
to
its
age
of
construction..
D
D
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
and
it's
relationship
to
the
alley.,
the
mass
and
scale,
I
think,
are
things
that
I'd
like
to
talk
in
greater
detail
about
as
we
look
at
the
actual
architectural
drawings,,
because
it'll
help
me
point
to
specific
aspects
of
the
building.
that,.
I
think,
are
those
defining
characteristics.
D
And
the
dormers,
the
roof
that
the
window
and
door
openings..
I
think
those
smaller
items
are
important
to
talk
about,
and
I
will
have
some
comments
about
the
dormer,
and
how
it
relates
to
the
mass
and
the
scale..
So
those
2
things
will
be
tied,
together.
and
not
being
able
to
talk
specifically
about
materials
yet..
Let's
look
at
the
architectural
drawings.
and
I
will
go
through
this
a
little
more
systematically
with
some
images.
D
D
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
architectural
drawings
that
they've
submitted
because
the
organization
of
those
you
know
it's
just
commonplace
in
terms
of
the
architectural
world
that
you
get
to
see
all
the
elevation.
you
see
all
plans,
and
you
can
talk
about
these
things
more
easily
than
this.
is
going
to
be
a
little
hard
because
it's
fragmented
for
me,
but
I'm
gonna,
try.
D
D
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:.
I
think
that
one
and
a
half
story
structures
also
are
adequately
described
in
our
guidelines,.
The
couple
of
different
guidelines,
bodies,
guidelines
that
are
related
to
this
property.,
and
I
think
that
if
that
is
the
precedent.,
that
the
overall
major
roof
form
of
this
building
is
in
compliance.
D
D
D
D
D
D
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
allow
it
to
be
so.
in
short,.
I
think
that
there
are
modifications
to
this
dormer
that
could
improve
the
disposition
of
the
building
and
reduce
the
overall
volume
of
it
on
the
alley,,
which
is
the
primary
thing
here,
in
my
opinion,.
That
is
not
documented
in
the
conditions
by
staff,,
but
it
will
be
something
that
I
recommend..
We
talk
about
and
include,
if
we
are
to
pursue
any
type
of
approval
for
this.
D
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:,
and
so
if,
if
if
if
people
are
up
for
it,
I'd
like
to
talk
about
it,
a
little
more,
and
and
or
I
can
pause
that
and
talk
about
other
things.,
I
just
kind
of
looking
for
a
general
nod
from
my
board
members..
Would
you
want
me
to
talk
about
this?
Just
a
little
bit
more
and
explain.
okay,,
I
got
a
thumbs
up,
from.
okay,.
Let's
look
at
the
other
side
of
the
building.
D
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
okay.,
so
on
this
side,
there
are
2
dormers,
and
obviously
they
are
smaller.
and
I
think
because
of
that.,
they
are
in
greater
compliance
with
the
guidelines
that
talk
about
the
relationship
between
dorm
and
overall
scale.,
and
I
think
they
are
more
recognizably
traditional.
Because
of
that-
and
I
looked
through
all
of
the
guideline.
D
D
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
is
ronnie
making
this
up..
I
don't
think
that
is
the
case,
and
I
think
the
guidelines
do
talk
about
the
fact
that
well,-
and
I
know
that
this
was
including
staff
reports,.
But
the
fact
that,
while
in
some
cases
you
know,
a
large
dorm
or
a
a
a
larger
dorm,
or
may
provide
better
interior
space.
that.
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
C
C
C
C
C
C
C
C
C
K
K
K
Chelsea
castellano:
and
I
think
that
the
proposed
recommendations
and
considerations
offered
by
staff
on
the
dormer's,
rooftack
window
and
door
openings
meet
the
design
guidelines..
I
was.
I'm
interested
in
hearing
from
the
applicant
on
what
they
think
about
breaking
up
the
dormer..
I
guess
I'm
just.
I'm
sensitive
to
the
fact
that.
K
K
A
A
K
A
A
Abby
daniels:
to
articulate.,
maybe
some
of
my
questions
or
concerns
about
mass
and
scale,,
and
I
know
sometimes
I
don't
personally
have
a
problem
with
the
square
footage
proposed.,
it's
more,
how
it
reads,
and
especially
on
this
alley..
I
think
both
ronnie
and
john
had
some
good
questions
about,
maybe
some
tweaks
or
some
conditions
that
would.
A
Abby
daniels:
claire,,
if
you'd
be
kind
enough,,
I
think
it
was
on
slide
31,.
You
know,,
and
I
know
that
oftentimes,
and
not
being
one
of
the
design,
professionals
things
to
me,.
It
could
be
an
optical
illusion..
But
when
I
look
at
the
slide
on
the
left.,
you
know
what
what's
proposed??
Does
it
look
subordinate
to
the
primary
structure?
but
again,
we're
not
seeing
the
entirety
of
the
the
primary
structure.
so.
A
A
Abby
daniels:
for
for
the
owner,,
and
I
think
my
question
still
goes,
and
I
know
some
of
the
mass
and
scale
appearance
can
be
dealt
with
in
in
refining
design
elements..
So
I
don't
know
unless
and
ronnie
or
john..
If
you
have
anything
for
renee
right
now,,
those
would
be
kind
of
the
2
questions
I
have
for
her
at
the
moment.
D
K
A
O
O
O
Renee
golobic:,
the
main
house,
is
actually
a
lot
higher
grade
and
on
maxwell
than
the
alleyway.,
so
the
maxwell
main
residence
is
a
lot..
The
the
ground
is
a
lot
higher.
actually..
So
this
this
house,
actually,,
the
proposed
structure,,
is
like
sunken
from
the
main
house..
So
I
feel
like
in
those
in
that
retrospect
it
is
supporting
it,,
but
in
that.
O
Renee
golobic:
so
hopefully,.
Those
elevations
will
clear
up
your
question
for
that.
well,
clara's.
Finding
it.
can
I
address
the
other
part?,
that's
okay.
okay.,
so
the
the
I
do
appreciate.
Ronnie's
you
know,
discussion
about
making
that
dormer
a
little
bit
smaller,.
I
would
like
to
know?
like
like,
right
now..
It's
about
2
thirds,
to,
you
know.
O
Renee
golobic:
chelsea
said,,
you
know,.
How
does
this
change?,
if
we
break
up
the
dorm,
or
how
does
it
change
for
the
the
the
footprint
of
the
usable,
space?
and
yeah,?
I
would
have
to,
you
know.
do
a
little
bit
of
reworking
of
how
the
stairs
and
the
head
height
for
code..
Allow
me
to
walk
up
the
stairs.,
but
certainly
I'm
not
opposed
to.
O
Renee
golobic:
to,,
you
know,,
exploring
that
with
the
wednesday
meetings
and
making
that
dormer
a
little
bit
smaller,
squaring
up
the
windows
on
the
south,
side,,
the
private
side,.
You
know
we
do
put
those
square
windows
in
there
so,
and
if
we
could
make
those
a
little
bit.,
you
know
those
each
dormers
a
little
bit.
O
O
O
K
K
A
Abby,
daniels:
and-
and
I
think,
rene,
you're
well
aware
of
how
collaborative
the
ldrc
meetings
are,
and
how
it
really
fosters
an
opportunity
for
much
more
of
a
dialogue.
Which,.
You
know,
I,
I
don't
think
it's
fair,
during
a
virtual
board
meeting
to
redesign
something,
either.,
so
I
think
that
it
sounds
like
you're
willing
to
do
that,,
john
and
ronnie..
I
don't
know
what
your
thoughts
are.
Now,
or
anything
you
might
like
to
address
with
with
rene
or.
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
K
K
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
sorry,
john..
Maybe
if
you
want
to
go,
it's
actually
it..
Let
me
let
me
just
go
here.
mapleton.
historic
design.
Guidelines.,
I'm
gonna
jump
around
a
little
bit
because
there
it's
everywhere.
the
sprinkled
around
in
his
mapleton
guidelines
in
the
general
guidelines,
and
while
not
directly
like.,
and
I'm
not
going
to
read
anything
from
a
different
guideline..
It's
in
all
of
our
guidelines.
D
D
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:,
says
dormers
are
intended
to
be
elements
of
secondary
importance
to
the
main
roof,
form.
An
expansion
of
existing
dormers
or
additions
of
new
dormer
should
preserve
this
relationship.
Generally,,
and
I
know
that
talks
about
new
dormers.
but
there's
another
section
that
references
back
to
the
new
dormer's
language
when
it
talks
about
the
creation.,
I'm
sorry.,
I'm
impression
a
new
structure.
D
Ronnie
pelusio,
lmb:
and
that,
says
dormer
ridge
line
should
be
lower.,
that's
correct..
The
size
and
scale
of
the
dormer
should
be
compatible
with
the
size
and
scale
of
the
existing
building,,
and
I
don't
think
it
is
because
the
2
thirds
of
the
building,,
which
is
not
a
norm,
or
it
makes
it
much
more.
D
D
D
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
okay,.
This
is
the
general
guidelines,
and
I
don't
know
what
I
got.
page
39.
subset
for
the
size,,
scale,
and
style
of
new
dormer
should
be
compatible
with
the
existing
dormers..
The
structure,,
the
form
of
the
dormer,,
should
be
compatible
with
the
main
route.
warmer
windows
should
be
similar
in
proportion
to
the
first
and
second
floor
windows,,
but
smaller
new
dormers
must
be
subordinate
to
the
main
roof
in
terms
of
mass
scale
and
height,
and
again.
D
D
D
D
D
D
A
D
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
yeah,
john,,
I'm
gr,,
so
I'm
just
gonna
jump
in
and
mark,
I
apologize.,
but
on
that
note,
like,
john,,
I
agree
with
you,.
I
think
that
my
well,,
obviously
the
large
dormers
on
the
alley
side.,
but
I
will.,
but
I
will
also
say,
like
that,,
I
think,
is
the
primary
elevation
that
needs
to
more
stringently
follow.
What
it
is
that
I'm
describing.
D
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
I
and
I
think
that
there
is
greater
flexibility
interior
to
the
property.,
so
I'm
an
agreement
with
you..
If
both
of
these
stormers
were
on
both
sides
of
the
building,,
I
think
you
know,
if
it
was
symmetrical,
and
we
were
like
the
back
in
the
the
front..
Whatever
the
interior
looks
like
the
back.,
it
would
be.
D
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:,
you
know,
any
easier
thing
for
us
to
highlight
and
say,
oh,
well,.
You
know,
that's
why
the
flexibility.,
but
I
am
an
agreement
with
you,
and
if
we
were
to
move
to
the
drc..
I
think
that
acknowledging
that
greater
flexibility
is
allowed,
and
the
backyard
facing
side
would
be
smart
of
us.
as
drc.
is
like
a
little
bit
of
a
design.
Exploration.
right?.
E
E
D
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
yeah..
I
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
ways
to
do.
It..
Let
me
just
say
you
know
the
guts..
I
I
looked
at
the
guts
like
the
the
the
plans
were
in
the
submittal,
and
that's
why
I
was
saying
like,
it's
nice
to
have
the
applicants
drawings,,
because
then
you
could
look
at
all
of
them,
and
we
could
talk
about
that..
You
know
our
job
isn't
so
much
about
the
insides,,
but
I
took
a
look
to
see..
That's
why
I
brought
this
whole
stair
thing
up
at
the
beginning
is
like,.
D
D
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
yes,.
I
think
one
option
would
be
forget,
what's
happening
on
the
inside
to
like
reverse
the
idea
of
the
upper
floor
dormers,
and
I
think
that
would
be
in
greater
compliance.
and
I
would
also
say,
you
know,
in
in
every
one
of
those
cases,
that,
dropping
the
plate
height
of
that
dormer,
and
I
think
it's
pretty
close
to
a
minimum..
But
I
think,
dropping
the
play
height
of
that
dormer.
D
D
E
E
A
A
Abby
daniels:
historically,
when
it
happened,,
but
at
some
point
after
the
mapleton
hill,
historic
district
was
designated,
that
there
was
a
survey
and
quite
extensive
research
done
to
kind
of
identify
the
importance
of
valleys,.
You
know,
understanding
their
allies
and
their
function
as
well
as
as
that
experience
going
down
the
the
alleys,,
whether
in
a
vehicle
or
pedestrian.,.
A
A
A
Abby
daniels:
projects
over
the
years
that
have
been
approved
or
not
approved
because
of
that.-
and
I
know
renee
knows
this
very
well.
first
of
all,.
I
know
this
projects
in
very
capable
hands
with
rene,
and
I
really
appreciate
what
you've
designed
and
brought
to
us
for
an
a,
even
though
you
know
the.
A
Abby
daniels:,
I
know
renee
knows
as
well
as
that..
If
we're
looking
at
a
primary
house
like
john.,
you
are
saying
we
do
a
a,,
you
know,
primary
elevation,,
a
secondary
and
a
tertiary,
and
in
this
case,,
because
it
is
new
construction,
and
it's
it's
a
good
sized
new
construction,.
Hence,
is
why
it's
at
the
the
full
landmarks
board,
is
it?.
I
would
treat
personally
that
alley
side
as
more
of
a
primary
elevation
like
we
would.
A
C
C
John
decker:,
there
was
an
explosion
of
alley
house
development
in
that
neighborhood,,
and
so
it's
a
front
door
for
a
number
of
people
that
are
living
along
these
alleys.
and
so
there's
just
a
little
more
public
realm
quality
to
it
because
they
walk
down
the
alley
to
go
in
their
front
door.
In,
in
multiple
cases
in
that
block
and
and
the
adjacent
block.
C
K
Chelsea
castellano:
and
I
chelsea
castellano:.
I
I
appreciate
that.
and
I
also
think
it'll
be
great,
that
someone
will
be
living
in
this
edu
and
hopefully
we'll
do
so
comfortably..
So
I
think
you
know,
that's
another
piece..
I
was
just
looking
at
google
maps,
of
the
street
and
looking
at
the
alley.,
there
are
some
really
big
structures
in
the
alley,
and
I
guess
I
just
wanna
bring
up
that
people
are
concerned
about
a
tunnel
effect.,
but.
K
K
K
K
Chelsea
castellano:
that
column
in
the
packet
than
there
usually
are.,
and
so
I
I
do
feel
that,
on
balance,
this
project
does
need
it,,
and
it's
like
we
have
said
many
times,.
The
criteria
is
not
a
checklist.
and
the,
and
the
only
reason
why
I'm
advocating
to
be
a
little
bit
more
flexible
is
because
this
is
a
very
small
unit
that
somebody
is
planning
to
live
in
and.
K
D
D
A
A
Abby
daniels:
look
at
that,
or
a
potential
motion.
or
ronnie,.
Did
you
have
other
things
you
wanted
to
address??
I
feel
I
I
feel
like.
Maybe
we
look
at.
if,
if
the,
if
staff
has
created
something
that
to
look
at,
that,,
we
look
at
that,
and
then
I
can
comment
on
it,
and
I
could
add
some
suggestions
and
maybe
try
to
make
a
motion.
A
B
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:
staff
is
recommended.
and
then
I've
started
suggesting
some
based
on
this
conversation.,
but
know
that
it's
just
a
a
starting
point,
and
I'd
like
the
board
to
discuss
it,
and
then,.
As
abbey
said,
to,
then
take
5
min
to
polish
them.,
once
the
board
kind
of
clarifies
what
those
conditions
would
be.
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
where
it
goes
specific
to
this
project,.
It
is
what
I
heard:
is,
reduce
the
scale
and
width
of
the
dormer
on
the
north
elevation,
and
then
either
consider
or
just
reduce
the
scale
of
the
dormer
on
the
south.
Elevation.
want
to
make
sure
I
have
that?
correct..
There
are
2
dormers
on
the.
B
D
D
D
P
Chelsea
castellano:
someone
comes.,
they
come
back
and
they
reduce
it
slightly,
and
then
we
say,
no,
yeah,.
I
mean,
I'm
curious
what
staff
thinks
about
that,
do
we?
you?,
I
mean,.
I
know
that
the
brc
is
super
flexible..
We
have
plenty
of
them
to
talk
in
size
of
this
building..
You
know.
modifications
to
it
are
a
little
simpler
than
a
very
complicated
structure..
So
I
don't
want
to
like
downplay
them.
D
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
I
I
would
advise
against
it..
I
think
that
the
design
review
process
iterative
and
it's
the
intent
for
the
board
to
review
the
proposed
designs,
modify
it,
to
ensure
it
meets
the
guidelines,
and
then
work
with
the
architect
in
the
committee
meeting
to
to
ensure
that
the
provides.
design
me
the
conditions.,
when
I've
seen.
B
B
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
as
written,
reduce
the
scale
by
reducing
the
height
and
width
of
the
dormer
on
the
north.
Elevation.
provides
enough
flexibility
for
the
design
professional,
and
enough
guidance
for
the
committee
to
to
review,
this.
and-
and
I
think
the
guidelines,
as
ronnie
red,
are-
are
pretty
helpful
and
clear
in
terms
of
talking
about
proportions
of
dormer.
D
K
E
A
Abby
daniels:
and
chelsea,,
I
hear
you
and
I
value
that
opinion,
and
it's
funny
because
I
wouldn't
be
comfortable
just
saying,.
Consider
this
as
I
I
would
like
a
little
bit
more
direction.
with
that.,
and
you
know
my
experiences
is,,
especially
with
someone
like
renee.
she'll.
She
probably
already
has
ideas
about
that,
and
I
don't
know.
D
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
but
I'm
offering
an
alternative,,
which
is
that
the
board
could
craft
the
conditions
that
it
wants
in
order,.
For
you
know
the
the
to
meet
the
design
guidelines,
and
then
offer
the
applicant
the
chance
to
respond,
to
say,
yes,,
we're
in
support
of
these,
and
and
feel
we
can
work
with
these
or.
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:
no..
I
I
see
that
this
could
be
an
issue
because
I
don't
expect
anyone
to
be
able
to
calculate
all
of
the
things
that
go
into
a
floor
plan
on
the
spot.,
but
a
design
professional
will
know.
yes,.
We
can
work
with
that.
for
example,.
The
dormer
on
the
north
side
is
to
meet
the
head
height
for
the
stair..
This.
B
K
K
D
D
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
windows,
and
you
don't
have
to
write
this,
marcy..
The
windows
need
to
be
appropriately
sized
and
located
in
the
dormers,,
using
traditional
precedent,
because,
depending
on
the
type
of
dorm
or
in
the
size
of
dormer.,
you
know,,
there
are
different
sides..
There
are
different
ways
to
put
windows
in
them
in
different
geometries.
D
D
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:,
but
that's
not
to
say
that
there
aren't
precedents
for
square
windows,
for
a
band
of
square
windows
or
for
a
vertical
window,.
I
think,
as
staff
it
suggested,.
So
I
don't
know
how
to
say
this
with
and
make
it
meaningful?.
But
what
I
jotted,
if,
if
this
is
meaningful-
and
you
know
I'm
wondering
if
staff
could
weigh
in
appropriately
size
and
locate
windows
and
dormers
using
traditional
precedence.
C
C
D
D
D
C
D
O
O
O
K
K
K
O
A
Abby,
daniels:
and-
and
I
know
that
this
seems
like
a
lot,
and
I
know
we're
getting-
probably
close
to
making
emotion.,
but
this
is
also
brand
new
construction
in
mapleton
hill,
historic
district.
and
you
know,,
so
I
mean,,
I
think
it's
taken..
I
think
we've
needed
this
time
and
kind
of
this,
this
discussion
to
really
get
to
this
point.
so,
renee,.
I
I
so
appreciate
you
and
and
the
owners
willingness
to
consider
all
of
this
and.
A
C
D
D
D
B
B
D
D
B
C
D
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
well,.
I
am
ready
to
make
a
motion.
If
you
guys
are
cool
with
it,
and
I
will
just
say
like,,
I
think,
you
know,.
I
don't
think
we
should
get
into
too
much
more
on
john's
topic,,
although
I
think
it's
very
important,-
and
it
is
also
on
my
mind,-
and
I
imagine
all
of
our
minds,
and
believe
that
the
size
of
this
building
and
the
width
of
this
building
is.
D
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:,
consistent
with
the
width
of
buildings.
that
have
been
traditionally
found
on
alleys.
and
so,.
You
know,,
I
think,
we're
contemplating
the
vertical
shape
of
this,
which..
So
I
think
the
dormers
are
so
important.
and
I
think
the
wall,
like
nature,
that's
written
in
the
code,,
is
really
meant
to
address
that..
So.
D
D
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:,
with
new
a
new
detached
accessory
structure.
at
6
6,
one
maxwell,
at
the
contributing
property
in
the
mainland
hill,
historic
district,,
as
shown
on
plans
day
to
april
second,
2,023..
Finding
the
proposal
meets
the
standards
for
issuance
of
a
landmark
alteration
certificate
after
9
1118,
prc.
1,981.,
and
it's
generally
consistent
with
the
general
design
guidelines,
provided
the
stated
conditions
are
met.
O
Lucas
markley
boulder:
ronnie?.
I
know
I've
escalated
on
this,,
but
I
think,
given
the
strong
interest
in
this
one
tonight,.
You
should
go
ahead
and
read
all
the
conditions,.
The
recommendations
of
approval.
one,,
the
applicant.
she'll
be
responsible
for
taking
the
work
in
compliance
with
the
approved
plans,,
accept
this,
modified
by
these
conditions
of
approval
to.
D
D
D
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:,
so
they
reduce
the
scale
of
the
north
dormer
by
reducing
it
height,
and
with,.
Consider
creating
2
dormers..
If
you
need
to
be,,
modify
the
window,
size
and
location
of
the
dormers
to
be
traditional,
precedent.
see,
simplify
the
trim,
detail,
and
consider
eliminating
the
use
of
shaking
dormer
as
d.
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B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:
and
at
that
point.,
if
it's
not
called
up
by
city
council,,
then
the
conditions
are
reviewed
by
the
ldrc..
If
it
is
called
up
by
city
council,,
then
a
public
hearing
will
be
scheduled
within
45,
days.
and
then,.
If
it
goes
to
the
drc.
and
the
conditions
are
satisfied.,
the
lac
is
issued,
and
that
is
submitted
with
the
building
permit.
Application.
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
no,
no,,
the
city
count.,
so
the
decision
from
the
landmarks
board
is
then
sent
to
the
city.
Council.:
they
have
an
opportunity
to
call
it
up
within
16
days,
and
so
that
date
is
june,
fifteenth,
that
the
city
council
will
have
the
opportunity
to
decide
whether
they
want
to
call
it
up
or
not.
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B
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Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
an
open
spot
on
the
landmarks
board..
The
application
is
currently
open.,
it
closes
july.
Second.
appointments
will
be
made
in
early
august,
and
there's
more
information
through
these
2
links
or
qr
codes
on
the
screen..
So
get
the
word
out.
As
best
we
can.,
I'm
hoping
there
will
be.
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Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
we
decided
to
streamline
that
in
an
attempt
to
streamline
the
landmarks,
board
meetings.
We
would
no
longer
do
a
monthly
statistical,
report.
and
john
requested
that
we
still
do
a
mid
year
check,
in
which
I
really
appreciate,
because
it's
always
interesting
to
look
at
the
numbers..
So
olivia,,
our
wonderful
intern
helped
pull
some.
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B
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
administratively
marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
looking
kind
of
bigger
picture
at
these
5
year,
trends.
or
I
guess,
6
year
trends.
The
average
is
here
in
green,,
which
you
can
see..
We
are
below..
We
were
below
last
year,,
which
is
the
blue,
and
then
we're
even
farther
below,
generally
in
february,
march
and
april.
from
those
averages
before.
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
we're
starting
to
surpass
the
numbers
from
last
may.,
but
it'll
be
interesting
to
see
kind
of
how
the
year
shakes
out..
We
first
started
talking
these
to
see
if
there
was
like
a
evan
flow
through
the
year.,
and
I
think
what
we
found
is
that
it's
unpredictable.
it
it
there's,
never
really
a
quiet,
time.,
there's.
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:
peaks
and
valleys
marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
looking
a
little
closer
at
the
staff
level,
reviews.
we've
reviewed,
50
staff
level
demolitions.,
those
are
the
post,
1940,
buildings,
and
then
it
accessory
buildings
over
50
years,
old.
4
of
those
had
been
previously
approved,,
reviewed,
and
approved..
We
estimate
those.
take
about
30
min
of
review
time.
from
intake
research
and
and
determination.
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
as
you
know.,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
a
full
demolition
in
order
for
it
to
require
historic
preservation
review..
So
it's
about
a
50
50
split
of
projects
that
are
full
demolition,
and
then
projects
that
are
partial,,
which
includes
things
like
replacing,,
citing
on
a
street
facing
wall..
So
the
scale
really
varies
quite
a
bit.
and
then
there's
the
occasional
accessory
building
like
the
one
shown
on
the
screen.
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B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:
on
board.
marcy,
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
we're
also
going
to
be
working
very
diligently
on
the
civic
area.
in
3
different
ways..
One
is
with
the
historic
district
application
that
you
all
will
see
in
july.,
we're
also
continuing
to
partner
with
parks
with
the
civic,
area,
cultural
landscape,
assessment.
and
then
we'll
also
be
involved
in
the
reimagining
civic
area.
east
phase,
2
projects
that
parks
is
meeting.
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:
and
then
looking
a
little
farther
ahead.
next
year,
2024
is
the
fiftieth
anniversary
of
the
historic
preservation
program
in
boulder.,
and
so
the
cpi
saving
places
conference
will
be
in
boulder
again,
and
we
are
hoping
to
have
a
a
good,
prominent
presence
at
that,
and
really
showcase
to.
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
and
then
it
also
tease
up
for
the
10
year.
update
to
the
historic
preservation
plan,
somehow.
already..
So
this
is
a
big
year.,
but
next
year
is
going
to
be
even
bigger..
So
that's
a
snapshot
halfway
through
2,023.
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
or
hear
the
board's
discussion.
reflection.
What
stands
out
in
terms
of.
A
D
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
yeah,.
I
would
also
like
to
complement
staff.
I
mean,.
This
is
less
about
the
statistics.,
but
this
is
very
valuable..
I
really
appreciate
how
it
is
presented.,
so
a
lot
of
gratitude
there
and
then,
also
just
a
moment
of
reflection.
Here.
there's
been
a
lot
of
change
over
the
last
year
and
a
half
2
years.
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Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
and
I
really
feel
like
we
are
in
stride,
you
know.,
and
so
I'm
grateful
that
we
have
the
team
that
we
do
in
our
department,
and
I
think,
that
things
are
going
well..
I
just
feel
like
reporting
that
to
you,
because,
marcy,
you
have
taken
on
and
done
such
a
great
job
of
the
role
that
you
are
in
now.
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Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
and
you
know
I
was
very
happy
to
hear
that
you
were
seeking
this
role,
and
it
became
available,.
And,
conversely,
was
very
disappointed
when
you
were
moving
on.,
but
but
here
we
are,
and
I'm
glad
that
you're
doing
it.
and,.
I
think
that
you
continue
to
demonstrate
great
leadership.
and
just
feel
like
saying,.
You
know,.
We
firmly
have
our
feet
under
ourselves
again
because
of
your
appointment
to
that
position..
So
thank
you.
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Abby
daniels:
so,
chelsea,.
I
want
to
thank
you
again
for
doing
this..
I
I
personally
don't
know
how
you
do
it
with
a
full
time
demanding
job.
you
know,.
While
I
still
work
approximately
40
h,
a
week,,
I
can
choose
most
days
when
I
do
that
work,
and
you
don't
have
that
luxury.
and
and
I,
you
know,.
I
think
this
is
definitely
a
valuable
discussion.
A
Abby
daniels:,
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
be
able
to
solve
or
do
a
lot,
this
evening,,
but
we
have
to
start
somewhere,
and
I
think,
you
know,.
I
think
what
you
did
that
I
really
valued.
Is
you
addressed
a
problem
that
you
immediately
have
some
solutions
or
things
to
think
about
and
contemplate,?
And
I
know
there
are
some
things
that,
like
marcy
would
say,
you
know,
are
in
the
code,
and
maybe
would
have
to
be.
A
Abby
daniels:
the
rule,
making
changes
and
all
of
that.,
so
you
know
some
things
we
can't
do
as
easily
as
others.,
but
I
just
want
to
applaud
you
for
for
saying,
hey,.
This
is
an
issue.
and
you
know,
actually
giving
some
concrete
solutions
that
we
could.
it's
like
having
a
plan
or
a
design
in
front
of
us
to
respond
to
from
an
architect,.
You
know,
you..
I
thought
it.
Was,
was
very
well
done
in
very
little
hands.
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Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:.
I
think
there
are
certain
types
of
cases:
ronnie
pelusio,
lmb:,
that
if
the
primary
questions,
the
first
couple
of
questions
are
an
automatic,,
it
needs
to
go
to
the
landmarks
board
instead
of
trc..
Those
are
the
easy
candidates.
if
it's
a
little
more
nuanced,
and
it's
a
down
the
stream
kind
of
piece
that
perhaps
steps
knows
will.
they're
going
to
vote
to
bring
to
the
board..
I
still
think
think
some
of
those
are
valuable
to
come
to
drc.
to
kind
of
air
in
a.
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Mark
mcintyre:
in,
in,,
in
our
civic
responsibilities
and
in
our
boards
and
conditions.,
and
so
you
know,
people
talked
about
council
pay.,
we've
talked
about
boards
and
commission,
pay,
and
so
forth,,
and
I
think
that
we
over
the
last
several
cycles-
we've
seen,,
not
just
a
landmarks,,
but
we've
seen
a
decline
in
applications.
for
most
boards.
and
you
know,.
I
think
last
time
osbt,
as
an
example.
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E
A
Abby
daniels:
almost
4
decades,
working
in
the
nonprofit
world,.
You
know
so
many
of
the
nonprofits,
from
symphonies
to
hospitals,
to
art,
museums,
to,,
you
know,
in
school
programs,
to
meals
on
wheels,
and
all
of
that
we're
traditionally
done
by..
They
they
used
to
be
called
the
white
women
in
10
issues
because
they
were
the
ones
with
the
free
time..
They
could
do.
That.
A
Abby
daniels:
and
that's
also,,
I
think,
mark,
one
of
the
things
you
said
that
resonated
with
me
is
that
one
of
the
ways
to
get
volunteers
is
also
offer
those
volunteer
opportunities.
At
times
where
volunteers
are
available.,
you
know,
we're
working
volunteers,
and
you
know,.
I
think,
that
that
chelsea
just
hit
the
nail
on
the
head
that
that.
A
Abby
daniels:
what
I
hadn't
really
thought
through
was,
we're
excluding
some
pot,
potentially
wonderful
fellow
board,
members,
you
know,
because
of
the
timing
or
whatever..
I
I
you
know
it
breaks
my
heart.,
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
solve
this
tonight.,
but
I
think
there's,
you
know..
I
talked
briefly
to
marcy
about.
I'd
be
interested
to
see
how
other.
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A
Abby
daniels:
you
know,
marcy,,
I
think
you
may
have
mentioned..
I
know
that
our
july
twelfth
meeting
is
very
full,
and
we're
waiting
for
a
new
board
member
to
do
a
mini
retreat
or
a
a
full
landmarks
board
retreat,,
but
that
you
said
there
might
be
the
possibility
to
carve
out
time
at
the
august
board
meeting
to
discuss
this
and
give
all
of
us,.
I
time
to,
you
know.
talk
to
people.
Do
a
little.
A
K
K
Abby
daniels:
to
join
the
ldrc.
she's
been
amazing
at
filling
in.
and
I
really
appreciate
it.,
and
it's
also
really
unfair
that
she
has
to
do
it.
and
one
of
us.
It's
not
all
we
all
we
all
hit,,
but
but
chelsea,.
You
do.
oo
me
photos
from
botswana.,
so
so,
yeah,,
so
that
that
was
you.
some
day.
I
need
to
see
some
of
those
photos.,
but
I
do
think
this
is
important,
and
I
think
that
you
know.
A
K
K
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
you're,
ready.
okay?,
and
I
just
really
appreciate..
I
appreciate
some
credit,
chelsea,,
but
really
I
I
just
sent
you
a
list
of
what
you
and
I
talked
about
all
credit
for
this
letter
goes
to
you,
and
I
just
really
appreciate
the
leadership
that
you've
shown
in
in
kind
of
outlining
a
very
compelling
case.,
and
I
have
said
many
times
before
that..
I
really
want
this
program
to
support.
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
the
power
to
make
some
pretty
meaningful
changes
because
the
landmarks
board
can
adopt
to
administrative
rules..
Some
of
the
constraints
require
code
code
changes,,
but
those
aren't
insurmountable..
So
I
think
there
are
2
options
on
the
way.
going
forward,,
both
with
coming
back
to.
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:
set
that
date
out
and
come
to
like
a
workshop
or
some
sort
of,.
I
guess,
study
session
with
the
full
landmarks
board,
and
in
the
meantime,
staff
could
be
proposing
and
doing
some
analysis.,
some
prioritization
of
recommended
changes.
alternatively,.
The
board
could
create
a
subcommittee
and
work
with
staff
to
come
up
with
ideas.
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
to
then
present
to
the
full
board
in
august
and
in
either
scenario..
I
was
going
to
suggest
what
abbey
kind
of
already
did
is
if
there
are
board
members
who
would
volunteer
to
help
cover
your
rotations,
if
needed.
in
that.
meantime,,
before
we're
able
to
make
changes,,
it
sounds
like
there's
support
from
your.