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A
B
Brenda
ritenour
(she/her):
good
evening,
everyone..
Thank
you
again
for
joining
us..
I
am
with
our
communication
and
engagement
team
at
the
city.
um..
I
recognize
many
of
your
names,,
so
I
know
many
of
you
have.
see
these
slides
before,
and
ask
your
patients.
While
we
go
through
them.
Again,
in
case
we're
joined
by
some
folks
who
have
not
who
are
not
as
familiar
with
them.
B
B
B
B
B
B
Brenda
ritenour
(she/her):
obscenity,,
racial
epithets,
and
other
speech
and
behavior
that
disrupts
or
otherwise.
the
ability
to
contact
the
meeting
are
prohibited,
and
participants
are
required
to
display
their
full
name,,
not
to
sign
up
to
speak
at
this
particular
meeting,,
but
to
display
their
whole
name.
um,.
The
name
they're
commonly
known
by.
B
A
A
Abby
daniels:
um,,
as
with
in
person
landmarks,
board
meetings.,
the
recording
of
this
meeting
will
be
available
in
the
record
archives.
No
later
than
twenty-eight
days
from
this
meeting
and
new
tonight,,
our
meetings
will
be
appearing
on
the
youtube
channel
three
days
after
the
meeting.
A
C
Bill
jellick:,
I'm
bill,
gelick
landmarks
board
member.
F
F
F
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:,
but
I'm
not
sure
how
long
I
can
hang
out
for
the
meeting,.
So
I'm
gonna
bear
through
as
much
as
I
can
um,
and
I'll.
Let
you
guys
know
if
I
have
to
bail
um.
and
then
for
those
of
you
that
are
seeing.,
I'm
going
to
shut
my
video
off
for
the
duration.,
but
I
will
be
in
in
the
background
here.
participating.
A
G
A
Abby
daniels:
thank
you,,
laura.,
abby
daniels:.
We
know
that
people
who
are
here
to
participate
tonight
may
have
strong
emotions
about
certain
projects..
We
want
to
hear
from
you,
and
we
found
it
more
productive..
If
you
are
speaking
to
persuade
us,
rather
than
either
berating
us
staff
or
any
applicants
present.
tonight,
we
will
be
following
the
usual
format.
As
best
we
can.
owners
and
applicants
have
agreed
to
use
this
format
beforehand;
and,
as
with
regular
landmarks,
board
meetings,,
you
may
only
speak
at
the
appropriate.
A
Abby
daniels:
there
are
some
quasi,
judicial
and
legislative
hearing,,
so
we'll
go
through
that
process.
With
each
of
the
three
hearings,
tonight,
and
um!,
everybody
speaking
tonight
will
need
to
be
sworn
in..
As
for
chair,,
I
will
do
a
roll
call,
vote
for
any
motions
that
are
made
throughout
the
evening.
A
Abby
daniels:-
and
this
is
just
a
reminder
to
be
cognizant
of
throughout
this
meeting
and
future
meetings..
It
is
always
a
living
document
and
subject
to
change,
and
we'll
continue
to
welcome
open
dialogue.
A
A
F
A
Abby
daniels:
and
you'll
see
I.
I
also
want
to
give
a
shout
out
to
clear
and
aubrey
for
once
again
adding
to
our
powerpoint
presentation
tonight,
as
well
as
the
one
email
this
afternoon
that
you've
given
us,
the
timeframes
that
we're
hoping
to
accomplish
the
different
agenda
items
with..
So
I
do
appreciate
that
for
public
participation
you
will
be
sworn
in,
and
you
will
be
asked
to
state
your.
A
B
B
A
H
H
Kathryn
barth:
vernacular
house,.
H
Kathryn
barth:
and
I
was
in
the
library.-
I
was
in
carnegie
library
last
week,
and
I
happened
to
look
at
the
sandborn
maps
and
the
sandborn
maps
do
not
cover
this
part
of
boulder
until
nineteen
o
six.
H
Kathryn
barth:
and
in
one
thousand
nine
hundred
and
six,,
and
I
I
took
a
photo
of
the
map
for
one
thousand
nine
hundred
and
six
in
one
thousand
nine
hundred
and
ten,,
and
I
could
send
them
separately.
If
that
would
give
interest
to
the
board.
H
H
Kathryn
barth:
about
the
it's,
the
same,
and
the
size
of
the
building,
looks
the
same,
and
at
that
time,
in
one
thousand
nine
hundred
and
six.
there's
a
little
back
porch
at
the
back
of
the
building,,
which
is
similar
to
the
front
porch
to
little
indented
porch.
H
H
Kathryn
barth:
to
the
neighborhood
before
there
was
a
park.
H
Kathryn
barth:
encourage
the
the
landmarks
board.
To.
continue
with
your
process
of
landmarking
and.
H
H
A
Lynn,
segal:
okay.
next
lynn,
siegel,.
If
you
will.
yeah,,
please
have
a
video
window
with
the
timer
in
it,,
not
the
whole
time,
or
in
the
filling
the
whole
window.
B
Brenda
ritenour,
(she/her):,
sure,
and
also
lame,
will
be
followed
by
patrick
o'rourke,
and
then
by
crystal
great,,
just
want
to
make
sure
they
had
a
heads
up.
A
Lynn,
segal:
okay,,
lynn.,
um,
you'll
have
your
three
minutes,
and
if
you
would
raise
your
hand
and
swear
to
tell
the
board
the
full
I
needed
to
know.,
could
I
have
a
video
window
with
my
timer
in
it,
please??
I
need
to
see
your
faces
when
I'm
speaking
to
you.
B
I
I
I
Lynn,
segal:
in
one
thousand
nine
hundred
and
forty-one
when
it
was
built,
and
it's
basically
the
same
footprint
of
the
house,
and
it's
a
huntington
jones
and
hunter
architects
building,
and
it
had
those
rounded
things
in
the
back.
I
mean
you
should
go
up
there.
it's
obscene
that.
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
A
J
J
J
J
J
J
Patrick
orourke:,
stating
that
oh,
we
didn't
know
about
it,
or
we
didn't
get
enough
notice
for
james,.
He
would
but
honestly
dropped
the
ball,
and
he
took
ownership
of
that
mistake..
Those
mistakes
in
the
world
I
came
from,
gets
you
fired.
So
what
I
would
like
to
do
is
have
a
calendar,,
and
I
talked
with
marcy
about
this.
A
few
months.
Ago.
have
a
calendar
that
starts
in
january,
one
that
finishes
by
the
third
quarter
of
two
thousand
and
twenty-three,.
So
we
can
bring
it
forward
to
the
city
council.
J
Patrick
orourke:
put
together
a
civic,
patrick
orourke:,
historic
district..
I
think
this
is
our
opportunity..
They
all.
You
said
at
one
of
the
meetings,
historic
folder.
step
up
to
the
plate.,
I'm
doing
that
today,,
and
I
would
hope
that
one
of
you
would
raise
your
hand
and
say,
I'll.
Take
ownership
from
the
landmark
board
and
and
move
forward.
J
J
Patrick
orourke:
and
I'll
just
highlight
them
for
you,,
patrick
orourke:,
which
is
we're
working
with
them
on
the
nine
mile
markers..
It's
the
long-term
project
be
done
in
two
or
three
years.,
I'm
in
the
process
of
getting
some..
What
was
it?
um!.
J
J
Patrick
orourke:,
nine
mile,
markers.,
oh,
and
and
I'll
just
extend
it
through,
and
then
I'll
continue
on
later.
uh,,
I'm
working
on
the
belmont
school
over
on
sixty-threerd
and
dal
mine,,
and
I
appreciate
just
a
couple
of
extra
seconds,
and
that
building
is
looking
good,
and
I'm
hoping
to
get
that.
I
started
this
year,
and
the
last
one.
J
G
G
Crystal
gray:
and
on
the
eighteenth
street
side,
there
is
a
little
mini
park
that
was
actually
developed
as
part
of
a
transportation
project
which
I
think
is
really
something
landmark
should
think
about
the
settings
and
transportation..
But
anyway,
I'd
like
to
encourage
you
to
schedule
a
hearing
on
whether
to
have
a
demolition
hearing
on
this
and
not
just
decide
tonight,
but
take
input.
G
G
G
G
Crystal
gray:
beautiful,
nicely
restored,,
I
mean.
this
happened
a
number
of
years
ago,
and
it's
also
got
an
ad.
you
on
the
alley,,
which
is
really
great..
So
it's
got
essentially
two
units
um,,
although
this
isn't
part
of
your
discussion
tonight,
or
would
be
about
this
house,.
But
I'd
like
to
see,
and
I'd
like
to
help
to
work
on
this
more
flexibility
for
landmarks
to
be
able
to
offer
subdivisions
of
properties
for.
G
Crystal
gray:
houses
that
have
historic,
significance.,
so
yeah,
I'd
like
to
have
you
scheduled
a
hearing
on
this,,
where
we
can
talk
about
the
um,,
the
the
assets
and
the
significance
of
these
of
this
house
in
eighteen,
o
four.
thank
you.
A
Abby
daniels:
uh,
thank
you,
crystal,
and
thank
you
for
reminding
me
personally
about
the
john
freak's
house
at
twentieth
and
mapleton
that
I
know
not
only
became
a
very
successful
safe,,
but
he
opened
it
up
to
a
store
folder
one
year
for
a
holiday
house,
tour.
um,.
A
Brenda
ritenour
(she/her):
wendy,
anyone
else
from
the
public
who
would
like
to
speak..
We
have
two
more..
We
have
leonard
siegel,,
followed
by
oh,.
Georgia!
chamberlain's
hand
was
up
for
a
moment,,
but
now
it's
down.,
so
georgia.
Let
us
know
if
you
would
like
to
speak.
there.
We
go
back
up.,
so
we
have
leonard,,
followed
by
georgia.
K
Leonard
segel:
tonight,
as
a
private,
citizen,
leonard
segel:,
a
a
preservation
as
an
as
an
as
an
architect,,
because
my
comments
have
not
been
reviewed
by
the
board,,
so
it
really
doesn't
uh..
It's
not
really
kosher
for
me
to
represent
this
being
commentary
from
the
board.,
but
it
comes
from
me
and
comes
from
my
heart.
um,.
K
Leonard
segel:
we're
trying
to
figure
out
a
really
good
way
for
preservation
is
to
work
with
the
landmarks
board
and
the
landmarks.
planners.
In
the
past,
people
like
marcy
growing,
have
reached
out
to
people
like
me
to
ask
for
feedback
on.
K
K
K
Leonard
segel:,
and
so
we
took
a
look
at
that
project
together,
that
building
together,,
and
I
thought
we
were
in
an
understanding
that,
while
the
building
had
been
modified
over
the
years,,
the
bones
of
it
were
still
still
very
intact.
so,
from
an
architectural
point
of
view,.
There
was
a
way
to
restore
it
back
to
the
original.
If
you
wanted
to.
K
Leonard
segel:
also,
historically,,
it
was
important
because
it
represented
the
work
of
the
pioneers
of
modernism
in
boulder
um,,
glen,
huntington
and
and
james
hunter.,
but
it
also
had
some
really
interesting
history
to
it,,
because
this
backman's
were
an
interesting
family..
Mr.
spackman
was
a
ceo
professor
and
an
author
of.
K
K
K
K
Leonard
segel:,
the
conversation
and
the
working
relationship
between
preservationists
and
the
landmark
board
and
the
landmark
planners
are
in
jeopardy,,
but
it
does
feel
that
way,
and
I
just
wanted
to
say,
that,
and
I'm
sorry
to
leave
it
on
that
tone,.
But
that's
that's
how
preservations
are
feeling
right.
Now.
thank
you.
A
B
L
L
Abby
daniels:,
but
I
would
like
to
speak
about
nine
hundred
baseline,
the
trash
structure
at,,
or
is
this
not
the
time
to
do?
well?
so,
georgia,?
If,
if
you're
available
a
little
later.
normally,
public
comments
for
a
public
hearing,
would
it
occur
after
the
staff
presentation
and
the
applicant's
presentation,?
So
I
don't
know
if
you're
able
to
join
us
a
little
later
in
the
meeting
when
that
occurs.
L
A
Abby
daniels:
so
um!
we
will
close
the
public
hearing..
Thank
you
to
everyone
who
took
the
time
and
effort
to
join
us
tonight
and
speak,.
You
know
normally,.
We
would
move
right
on
to
the
discussion
of
landmark
alteration
and
the
statistical
report,
and
so
forth.,
but
I
think
because
of
some
of
the
comments
tonight,,
even
though
we
can.
A
E
john
decker:
um!
john
decker:.
I
would
just
like
to
come
back
to
patrick's
comments,
and
I
would
be
very
interested
to
work
more
with
historic
boulder,,
particularly
on
the
specific
project
of
the
band
shell
district.
A
F
F
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:,
obviously,
we've
collectively
expressed
that
it's
an
area
of
focus.
we're
hearing
that
from
some
of
our
colleagues.
um..
So
I
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out.
um,
we
hear
you,
patrick..
Thank
you
for
stepping
up
and
being
as
vocal
as
you
have
been
in
tonight's
meeting.
um!.
I
do
think
that
kind
of.
F
Ronnie
pelusio,
lmb:,
advocacy
and
approach
is
healthy
for
us..
I'm
I'm
not
sure.
If
that's
exactly
what
bill
was
asking
for,,
but
it
is
really
great,.
So
please
continue
to
do
that,
and.
F
F
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
um!-
that
is
a
version
of
incentive
to
another
version
of
an
incentivization
tool
for
preservation.
That,
she
was
saying,
might
have
to
do
with
subdivision.
F
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
um!,
whether
or
not
it
is
applicable
for
the
mapleton
project.
um!.
That
is
something
that
I
have
seen
used
in
the
past
used
in
neighboring,
communities.
um,,
and
I
think
it
as
you've
heard
me
say,
hits
many
of
the
points
that
we're
collectively
interested
in.
not
only
about
preservation,.
F
F
A
A
A
Abby
daniels:,
I
think
all
of
the
speakers
of
public
participation
raised
important
points,
and
I
know
sometimes
we
discuss
them
later
in
matters,
or
you
know,
after
this
meeting,,
and
I
wanted
to
do
that
courtesy
to
let
them
know..
I
think.
Rather,
you
said
it
best.,
we
heard
all
of
you..
We
appreciate
what
you
said,
and
bringing
these
things
to
our
attention..
So
thank
you.
A
Abby
daniels:
uh.
with
that
being
said,.
I
think
we're
ready
to
move
on
to
the
statistical
report
for
september
and
flair,.
I
believe
I'm
handing
it
all
over
to
you
right,
now.
M
C
Bill
jellick:,
I
just
wanted
to
respond
to
ronnie
ronnie..
I
honestly
don't
remember
what
I
said,
regarding
asking
for
historic
boulder
to
step
up.,
but
anytime.
They
can
step
up
and
help
with
the
uh.
our
gang,
showing
problems
that
this
city
is
facing.
Regardless.
M
M
Clare,
brandt,,
cob:,
right
clare,
brandt,,
cob:
here,
is
a
pre
one
thousand
nine
hundred
and
forty
demo
that
was
reviewed
and
approved
at
the.
M
M
Clare,
brandt,
cob:,
seven
total
were
reviewed
and
approved
at
ldrc
and
um..
Five
were
approved
without
additional
review,,
which
is
a
positive
improvement.
M
M
Clare
brandt,
cob:
uh,.
We
approved
thirteen
demo
requests,
two
of
them
the
dark
purple.
M
Clare,
brandt,,
cob:
and
uh,.
I
brought
some
of
the
staff
reviews
to
ldrc
last
month
for
a
second
set
of
eyes,
which
was
very
helpful
with
marcy
out.
M
Clare,
brandt,,
cob:,
um.,
clare,
brandt,,
cob:,
so
faith
and
I
are
doing
what
we
can
to
research
and
approve
administrative
post.,
one
thousand
nine
hundred
and
forty
demo
requests.
um,.
But
sometimes
your
experience
is
really
valuable.
um!
and
we
don't
always
have
a
lot
of
written
documentation
for
post
nineteen.
Forty
s
buildings,.
So.
M
M
Clare,
brandt,
cob:
in
two
thousand
and
twenty
clare,
brandt,
cob:,
two
hundred
and
ninety
up
to
this
point,
in
two
thousand
and
twenty,
one
and
two
hundred
and
forty
nine
reviews.
So
far.
M
M
Clare,
brandt,
cob:,
I'm
struggling
to
see
any
trends
this
year,
other
than
doesn't
other
than
we
have
a
lot
of
new
applications
to
get
through,
and
that
that
line
just
keeps
going
up
and
down.
M
Clare,
brandt,,
cob:
and
again,.
This
is
the
uh,
clare
brandt,,
cob:
uh,.
I
guess
the
six
year
average
for
new
applications.
um!
we're
actually
above
average
this
month
for
new
applications..
Here
our
average
is
usually
twenty-seven,
and
we
were
at
thirty
one
new
applications.
and
I
think
that
october
is
actually
going
to
be
busy.
because.
M
M
M
M
Clare,
brandt,,
cob:
um.,
so
the
applicant
for
one
thousand,
eight
hundred
and
four
mapleton
avenue.
withdrew
the
demolition
application,.
M
M
Clare,
brandt,
cob:,
a
hearing.,
an
initiation
hearing
was
scheduled
for
november
second,
at
the
last
landmark
board
meeting
um,
and
that
hearing
did
include
an
alternative
to
issue
the
demo
permit
um..
But
now
this
would
not
be
considered
as
there's
no
demolition
request,.
M
A
M
A
C
Bill
jellick:
um?,
I'd
like
to
actually
see?
did
we
schedule
a
nine,
eleven,
three
discussion
for
tonight.
or
is
that
what
we
were
setting
up?
Now?.
C
Bill
jellick:
demolition
withdrawal.,
where
we
all
decided
that,
because
the
house
wasn't
threatened
property,
wasn't
threatened.
We
should
not
go
forward
with
a
initiation
or
attempt
to
landmark.
A
Abby
daniels:
john.
E
E
E
E
John
decker:
application,.
F
F
F
F
F
F
F
Abby
daniels:
um,,
so
I
I
uh,
I'm
a
little
torn
about
what
the
next
step
is..
If
there
is
one,,
I
definitely
have
thoughts.
I'll
share
after.
and,
bill,.
I
see
your
hand
race.,
but
do
you
mind
if
I
go
ahead
and
call
on
chelsea
first?
no,,
please
go
through
everybody..
I
just
wanted
to
respond
to
something.
ronnie
said,
thank
you,
chelsea.
D
D
Abby,
daniels:
or
not.
is
that?
oh,.
We
do
have
the
date.
We
voted
you
name
in
september
to
have
this
date,,
but
the
date
is
um..
We
were
holding
that
meeting..
We
were
holding
it
november
second,
because
it
had
to
be
held
before
our
december
sixth
meeting,
and
we
didn't
want
to
arrange
a
a
special
meeting.
D
D
D
Chelsea
castellano:
and
creating
the
additional
workload
and
time
spent
on
a
building
where
there's
no
threat
of
it
being
demoed
to
me
just
doesn't
seem
like
a
good
use
of
time.
um,,
but.
D
D
D
A
D
D
A
A
A
A
Abby
daniels:
to
the
it
meets
all
the
criteria,
and
I
think
the
other
ones
did,
too.,
but
I
think
this
one
is
a
really
special
rare
example,,
because
it's
not
owner,
occupied,
and
because,,
even
though
the
demo
application
application
has
been
withdrawn,,
I
think
there's
a
possibility
that
some
windows
could
be
changed,
or
some
alterations
could
be
made
to
this
house,
which
would
render
it
on
landmarkable.
we've
heard
from
two
members
of
the
public
tonight,.
A
Abby
daniels:
kathryn
bark
and
crystal
gray,,
who
are
encouraging
us
to
go
ahead
and
hold
an
initiation,
hearing.
and
um,.
I
think
the
I
don't
know
um..
I
believe
staff
had
perhaps
prepared
a
memo
for
november
second..
I
know
that
with
the
one
on
eighth
street
that
was
withdrawn,
and
we
decided
not
to
hold
a
hearing
that
staff
was
not
for
initiating
that.
I
don't
think
we
know
what
staff
is
going
to
recommend
on
this
one.,
but
I
do.
A
A
A
Abby
daniels:
bill.
C
C
Bill
jellick:,
I
know
as
a
board
member.
That
really
means
a
lot
to
me.
If,
if
I
can't
find
a
whole
lot
back,
there.
um,,
that
means
something.
and,
on
the
other
hand,.
If,
if
a
lot
of
information
is
brought
forward
that
I
didn't
realize,
that
also
has
a
bearing
on
it..
I
also
want
to
make
clear
that
I
voted
in
that
last
meeting.
C
Bill
jellick:
to
bill
jellick:
go
along
with
everyone
else,,
but
I
did
not
vote
to
agree
to
the
reasoning
behind
it..
I
don't
think
just
because
of
properties,
demolition,
application
has
been
removed,
that
that
removes
it
from
its
potential
to
be
landmarked.
C
Bill
jellick:,
just
because
we
perceive
that
the
imminent
danger
is
past..
We've
done
a
lot
of
work
and
examining
these
properties,,
and
I
think
we
should
probably
try
to
pay
a
little
more
attention
to
them,,
because
if
they
were
up
once,
for
demolition
is
a
good
process.
Possibility.
they'll
be
up
multiple
times
after
that.
C
C
Bill
jellick:
um,,
when,
when
we
have
marcy
back,
and
not
so
much
on
staff.
E
E
E
John
decker:
and
kind
of
leave
it
at
that.
A
F
A
Abby
daniels:,
I
suggest
that
we
postponed
the
initiation,
hearing.
We
had
already
voted
on
it
to
have
it
in
november.,
but
I
think,,
given
that
we're
no
longer
bound
by
this
day,
expiry,
making,
taking
action
by
december
fifth..
Then
I
think
we
can
extend
it,
and
I
I
appreciate
um.
chelsea's
comment
about
this
top,,
but
I
think
staff
has
already
even
done
a
memo,
and
has
something
ready
to
go,.
So
I
don't
fair..
I
don't
feel
like
it's
an
undue
burden
off.
A
A
Abby
daniels:,
I
believe
marcy-
will
be
attending
our
december
sixth
meeting.,
but
I
think,
to
give
her
plenty
of
time
to
really
get
her
arms
around
this.
and
whatever
staff's
recommendation.
Is,.
F
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
okay,
um,.
I
will
support
that
same
decision,
abby..
I
would
hate
to
see
this
thing
just
go
away..
I
think
one
thing
that
makes
it
unique
outside
of
its
age.
is
a,
and
the
the
fact
that
the
building
is
relatively
intact.
F
F
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
um,
ronnie,
pelusio
lmb:.
You
know.
meet
what
I
think
that
the
standards
of
this
building
require,
and
that's
because
of
the
park,,
and
I
recognize
that
the
park
used
to
be
right,
away,
and
it's
no
longer
a
right
of
way..
F
F
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
move
forward
with
that,,
if
we're
all
kind
of
have
a
common
voice
on
that.,
but
I
would
agree
with
your
proposed
path.
Forward.
C
Bill
jellick:
thank
you,
abby.
bill
jellick:.
Does
this
mean,
then,
that
we
should
revisit
that
decision,
and
put
a
motion
out
there
to
strike
down
that
that
proposed
meeting.
A
C
C
C
C
A
Abby
daniels:
okay,
bobby
seconded
bills.
motion.,
so
it
is
there
any
discussion
before
we
take
a
roll
call.
Vote?.
A
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
thank
you,,
which
is,
is
the
whole
purpose
of
the
appreciation.
okay?,
so
uh,.
I
also
I
know
that
chelsea
didn't
raise
her
hand.
but,
chelsea,.
I
am
interested
in
hearing
your
thoughts
on
this,
if
you're
willing
to
share
them.
sorry
to
put
you
on
the
spot..
If
not,
you
can
pass,
it's
fine.
D
D
A
A
A
A
Abby
daniels:
and
the
applicants
are
the
landmarks
board,,
so
we
will
move
on
to
the
first
public
hearing..
I
know
the
owners
have
agreed
to
this
virtual
hearing,,
but
my
understanding
is,
they
are
actually
in
travel,
and
will
not
be
present.
Tonight.
is
that
correct?
clear?.
M
M
Clare,
brandt,
cob:
their
demolition
clare,
brandt,,
cob:
application.,
so
that
is
not
part
of
the
of
the
discussion.
Tonight,.
M
M
M
Clare,
brandt,
cob:
owner
typically,
would
give
a
presentation.
and
um,.
I
believe
they
were
going
to
try
and
send
a
representative.
um,,
and
I
don't
know
if
he
is
here,
but
we'll
address
that
when
we
get
there.
um!,
the
public
hearing
will
be
open
for
public
comment,
and
the
board
may
ask
questions
of
the
public.
M
M
Clare,
brandt,
cob:,
so
this
has
been
the
process
so
far..
The
proposal
for
full
demolition
of
the
house
was
referred
to
the
landmarks
board.
On
january,
the
twelfth.
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
Clare,
brandt,,
cob:
clare,
brandt,,
cob:
between
sixty
and
one
hundred
and
eighty
days
from
today.
M
D
Chelsea
castellano:
them,
or
when
previous
people
have
pulled
or
withdrawn
their
demolition.
Application,
we've
gotten
some
reasoning,
why.,
so
I'm:
just
curious.
If
there
is
any
level
of
context
that
you
can
provide.
M
M
D
D
C
M
M
A
F
F
F
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
elevation.
M
Clare,
brandt,
cob::
this
was
a
an
application
for
full
demolition.
um!,
but
if
they,
the
house
came
back
for
a
partial
demolition,,
what
triggered?
that
would
be.
M
Clare,
brandt,,
cob:
or
removal.
M
F
F
M
Clare
brandt,
cob:
of
the
wall.
M
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:.
This
is
such
a
weird
thing,
and
I
sorry
to
put
you
on
the
spot.
Like
I
don't
know
the
answer
to
this.
I've
been
on
the
board
a
long
time..
I
don't
know
the
answer
to
this
thing:
here,,
which
is
like,.
Is
there
a
version
where
one
could
remove
the
street
facing
roof,
or
modify
an
aspect
of
the.
F
M
Clare,
brandt,
cob:
that
wouldn't
have
any
wall
associated
with
it.
a
gable
roof
often
has
the
wall
inside
the
gable..
You
know
the
triangle.
M
M
F
F
F
F
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:,
you
know,
bring
it
back
to
the
board,
ronnie
pelusio
lmb:.
I
mean..
I
am
ronnie
pelusio
lmb:,
not
going
to
assume
that
I
know
what
type
of
modification
might
be
made,,
but
my
understanding
was,.
They
were
interested
in
modifying
the
non
street
facing
side
elevation
and
possibly
back
of
the
building.
F
F
F
A
M
M
Clare,
brandt,,
cob:,
alright,,
well,,
I'm
glad
that
ronnie
brought
it
up.
um..
The
criteria
for
review
is
um,
for
initiation
is
in
nine,
eleven,,
three
d,
and
the
first
items
in
nine,
eleven,
three,
d.
refer
back
to
nine,
eleven,,
one
and
nine
eleven
to
to
outline
the
purposes
and
standards
used
to
determine.
M
M
M
Clare,
brandt,,
cob:,
um.
and
clare
brandt,
cob:.
As
the
hearing
is
legislative,,
the
board
can
consider
any
of
the
information
heard
so
far,
or
anything
that
they
here
tonight.
M
Clare,
brandt,
cob:,
so
five,
sixty,,
eight,
fourteenth
street
is
to
jog..
Your
memory
is
located
on
the
corner
of
columbine
and
fourteenth
street
in
the
wellington
heights
neighborhood,,
which
is
sandwiched
between
um,
the
chautauqua
park
to
the
west.
M
M
Clare
brandt,
cob:
and
that
identified
a
potential,
expanded
university
hill,
historic
district.
and
here's
the
map
from
that
survey..
At
the
time
five,
sixty
eight
fourteenth
street
was
considered
contributing
restorable.
um.
M
M
Clare,
brandt,
cob:,
two
houses,
clare,
brandt,,
cob:
across
the
street
five,
thirty,
five,,
fourteenth
street
and
five,
fifteen,
fourteenth
street.
um..
They
were
identified
at
the
time
as
being
potentially
contributing
to
the
potential
district.
um.,
both
were
designed
by
glen
huntington,
and
built
in
one
thousand
nine
hundred
and
forty
one.
M
Clare,
brandt,
cob:,
so
back
to
five
hundred
and
sixty-eight
fourteenth
street.,
it's
a
modest,
one-story,
concrete
block
and
stacco,
building
with
a
cross-cable
roof.
M
M
M
M
Clare,
brandt,
cob:,
the
the
south
elevation,
is
also
has
an
addition
from
the
from
one
thousand
nine
hundred
and
fifty.
um!
it..
It
may
have
replaced
an
open
porch,,
but
we
haven't
found
any
photographic
evidence
of
that
or
plans.
um!.
M
Clare,
brandt,
cob:.
We
just
know
that
there
is
a
visible
connection.
um!
where
it
was
added.
here
you
can
see
the
line
and
the
you
can't
see
it
on
this
picture.,
but
if
you're
there
in
person.,
you
can
see
the
line
in
the
in
the
building
where
that
was
connected.
um!
and
at
that
time
they
added
these
large
picture.
Windows.
M
Clare,
brandt,
cob:,
so
the
history
of
the
building,
ah,
ray
and
lorraine,
light
bought
the
house
in
one
thousand
nine
hundred
and
forty,
and
lived
there
for
three
years.
The
curries
purchased
it
from
them,
and
in
one
thousand
nine
hundred
and
forty
three
lived
there
until
one
thousand
nine
hundred
and
forty-eight,.
M
Clare
brandt,
cob:
um,
in
one
thousand
nine
hundred
and
forty-eight
marcia
carpenter,
and
her
daughter,
helen
carpenter,,
purchased.
The
house.
helen
was
born
in
one
thousand
nine
hundred
and
eighteen,
to
attend
the
university.
M
M
Clare,
brandt,
cob:
during
the
the
second
world
war.
She
she
grew
the
placement
services
program
to
connect
university
graduates
with
companies
like
ibm
and
beach,
aircraft.
um..
She
was
made
associate
director
of
the
program,
in
one
thousand
nine
hundred
and
fifty-two
and
director
in
one
thousand
nine
hundred
and
fifty-seven.
M
Clare,
brandt,,
cob:
and
um,,
someone
who
made
business
connections
to
expand
opportunities
for
women
graduates,,
she
retired
in
one
thousand
nine
hundred
and
sixty
eight
um!.
She
actually
served
on
the
board
of
the
boulder
historical
society
for
almost
a
decade
in
her
retirement,
and
she
passed
away
on
april
fifth,,
one
thousand
nine
hundred
and
ninety
five.
M
M
M
M
Clare,
brandt,,
cob:,
um,,
clare,
brandt,
cob:,
however,
probable
cause
which
addresses
whether
the
building
could
be
designated
is
only
one
of
the
items
the
board
should
consider
to
identify.
if
the
building
should
be
designated.
M
Clare,
brandt,
cob:
also,.
If
there
is
community
support,
which
has
also
been
limited,,
although
initiation
is
supported
by
historic
boulder,,
we've
received
a
few
letters
of
support,
one.
M
M
M
Clare,
brandt,,
cob:
um.
the
ability
to
designate
over
the
owners.
Objection
is
an
extraordinary
power
given
to
the
landmark's,
board.
and
um,.
We
always
say
that
this
should
be
used
sparingly
and
with
a
lot
of
consideration.
M
M
Clare,
brandt,
cob:.
This
is
based
on
the
current
demolition
code,
which
ronnie
touched
on
um..
The
the
owners
can't
remove
more
than
fifty
percent
of
the
roof,
or
more
than
fifty
of
the
walls,,
or
remove
any
portion
of
either
of
the
street
facing
walls
without
historic,
preservation.
demolition
review.
M
M
M
M
E
N
M
B
Brenda
ritenour
(she/her):,
I
do
see
one
hand,
and
I
encourage
those
of
you
in
attendance
from
the
community
who
would
like
to
speak
to
this
item.
To
please
use
your
raise
hand.
Button.
now.,.
B
A
B
A
kathryn
barth:
I!
This
was
one
of
the
properties.
um!.
It
was
on
one
day
I
forget,
which
day
for
the
site,
visit,
and
I
came
out
to
the
site,
visit.
H
H
Kathryn
barth:
kathryn
barth:
from
what
I
got
from
listening,,
because
I
wasn't
able
to
really
say
too
much
was
that
they
were.
they..
They
appreciate
this
house.
They
like
this
house.,
the
parents
owned
the
house,
and
the
kids
bought
it
from
them.
H
Kathryn
barth:
um!
and
kathryn
barth:,
the
parents
back
at
the
alley,
were
holding
the
hands
of
the
little
toddler,
and
they
they
did
talk
to
me
a
little
bit,
and
they
were
saying
that
they
they
were
looking
forward
to
their.
H
H
H
H
Kathryn
barth:,
so
what
I
kathryn
barth:
would
like
to
see
is
that
this
family
finds
a
wonderful
way
to
make
this
into
a
family
home,
and
that
the
building
is
landmarked;.
H
H
H
H
H
H
B
I
I
I
I
I
Lynn,
segal:,
and
it
was
basically
the
same
house.
I
mean,.
They
put
a
front
entry
way
onto
it
and
some
other
things.,
but
it
was
basically
the
same
flagstone
house,
and
it
is
in
a
state
when
I
first
saw
the
image.
I
Lynn
segal:,
but
it
was
poor
imagery..
It
was
just
the
wrong
photos
that
got
up
there.
um!
and
when
I
went
and
I
googled
it,
I
saw
seven
images,
and
I
sent
those
to
you
all
anti-historic,
boulder
included
them..
I
hope
that
lynn,
siegel
and
patrick
are
worked
out.
It
too.,
but
in
those
images
you
can
really
blow
it
up
and
see
what
it
was
before.
I
I
I
B
Brenda
ritenour
(she/her):,
I
am
not
seeing
any
hands
raised,
and
just
want
to
take
this
opportunity
to
remind
the
community
that
public
hearing
comments
are
to
be
about
the
subject
of
the
hearing.
um,,
not
about
other
topics..
So
as
the
next
one
comes
around,.
Thank
you
for
sticking
to
the
subject
of
the
hearing.
A
C
C
C
Bill
jellick:
next
step
in
the
process
of
landmark
designation..
If
the
applicant
has
withdrawn
their
demolition
request,,
this
applicant
actually
made
it
very
clear
in
the
very
beginning
that
they
were
not
really
interested
in
demolishing
the
property.
C
C
Bill
jellick:
kind
of
perplexed,
a
bit.
um,.
C
Bill
jellick:,
I
don't
feel
there
is
a
threat
to
this
particular
property,,
even
though
they
have.
C
C
C
C
C
bill
jellick:
um.
bill
jellick:,
but
anyway,.
If,
if
we
were
to
agree
to
just
totally
uh,
uh,,
you
know,
let
this
stop
at
this
point.
um!
and
allow
the
situation
that
just
kind
of
move
along
without
a
threat
of
demolition.
I'd,
be
inclined
to
go.
That
direction..
A
D
Chelsea
castellano:
I'm
ready
to
go
perfect.
go
for
him.
thank
you..
I
appreciate
it.
um,
yeah,.
I
I
agree
with
bill.,
I'm
not
interested
in
moving
forward.
with
landmarking
this
property
at
this
time.
um,.
Due
to
the
fact
that
the
applicants
have.
D
Chelsea
castellano:
withdrawn
there,,
chelsea
castellano:,
their
permits
to
demolish,
and
and
the
fact
that
we
did
hear
from
them
that
they
just
weren't
able
to
get
the
structural
engineer
in
time,,
and
you
know,
do
all
of
the
due
diligence
that
is
necessary
to
figure
out
what
exactly
even
could
be
done
in
order
to
fix
some
of
the
structural
issues,
and
what
the
cost
of
that
would.
Be.
and
so,.
D
Chelsea
castellano:,
you
know
it
it
just
it
wouldn't
be
fair
to
to
the
applicants
to
move
forward
in
this
process.
um!
without
their
support.
D
D
Chelsea
castellano:
the
chelsea
castellano:,
or
I
guess
I
so
I
don't
know
what
exactly,.
But
I
support
whatever
the
motion
was,,
I
support
the
motion
by
staff
to
to
not
move
forward
with
initiation,,
knowing
that
that
there
is
no
threat.
um,
at
this
time,
and
for
the
other
reasons
that
I.
D
E
John
decker:
um,
john
decker:,
all
right..
I
attended
the
site
visit
of
this
property
and
and
met.
E
John
decker:,
the
people
and
john
decker:
john
decker:
left,,
feeling
like
they
truly
understood
the
value
of
this
property,
and
pretty
much
understood
its
value.
E
John
decker:
and
some
of
the
some
of
the
I
guess.
E
F
F
F
F
F
F
F
F
F
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
in
the
ways
that
would
significantly
ronnie
pelusio,
lmb:
and
detrimentally
impact,
its
landmark
eligibility.
A
Abby
daniels:
uh,
thank
you,,
ronnie
and
I'm:,
so
glad
you're
still
with
us
in
this
meeting,,
because
your
input
is
always
so
valuable..
So
my
first
comments
about
this
having
attended,
participated,
observed.
A
Abby
daniels:
whatever,
for
since
two
thousand
and
six
and
landmark
board
meetings,.
This
is
the
first
time
I'm
ever
aware
of
three
sort
of
k,
tech,
consecutive
stays
of
demolition
that
have
been
placed
by
the
landmarks
board,,
as
well
as
discussions
about
initiating
or
not
initiating,
and
so
forth,,
where
all
three
applicants
at
some
point
have
withdrawn
their
demo
permit,
and
I'm
not
really
sure
what
that
says..
But
that
is
what
appears
to
be
happening,
and
it's.
A
Abby
daniels:
and
for
some
reason,
for
a
couple
of
these
specifically
uh,
the
applicants
who
withdrew
on
fourteenth
street
and
um,
and
on
eighth
street.
It
seemed
like
um.
A
Abby
daniels:,
we
didn't
have
enough
time
to
really
continue
exploring
this,
and
again,.
This
day
is
triggered
to
expire
at
a
certain
time,
and
or
not
last
more
than
one
hundred
and.
A
Abby
daniels:
has
a
year
for
their
stay
of
demolitions
or
for
the
demolition
process,,
and
I
feel
like
especially
these
owners
on
fourteenth
street,
and
catherine
touched
upon
everything..
They
were
juggling
at
the
time
we
had
the
that
site
visit,.
I
believe
that
was
in
june
or
july
and
came
up
to
these
dates,,
where
we
had
to
make
a
decision,
or
the
stay
was
going
to
expire,
and
so
forth.
and
you
know,
having
the
luxury
of
getting
an
engineer
out
there,
and
to
get
for
us
to
have.
A
A
Abby
daniels:,
the
john
captured
a
lot
of
what
I
heard
from
the
owners
at
the
site
visit
that
you
know
they
weren't.
initially..
I
don't
think
they
were
so
opposed
to
landmarking,,
but
it
was
just
something
thrown
at
them
that
they
really
didn't
have
the
time
to
contemplate.
and
then
the
arrival
of
a
new
baby,
and
so
forth.
and.
A
Abby
daniels:,
I
I
did
note
that
staff
supported
the
initiation
until
the
application
was
withdrawn,,
and
I
I
respect
and
understand
why
they
changed.
made
a
different
decision
once
that
was.
A
Abby
daniels:
pulled,,
and
I
also
feel
like
it's
funny,,
because
we
always
talk
about
preservation
being
reactive
and
well,.
There's
no
threat,
and
and
the
one
way
to
be
proactive
is
to
sometimes
look
at
an
individual
property
and
say,.
This
meets
the
guidelines..
This
meets
the
criteria.
um!.
This
one
is
on
a
very
prominent
corner,
and
I
know
we
heard
from
historic
boulder,
as
well
as
a
gentleman
that
lives
in
floral,
park,
and
so
forth,,
and
then
catherine's
verbal
support,
tonight.
A
A
A
Abby
daniels:
the
ability
to
kind
of
table
this,
and
have
another
discussion
with
the
owners.
um..
I
think
there's
a
sense
that
that
you
know
they
may
not
have
um..
They
might
still
come
to
the
same
conclusion,,
but
I
think
that
they
had
to
factor
in
a
lot
in
a
very
short
period
of
time
with
stuff
going
on..
So
this
one
is
a
hard
one
for
me,
because
it
definitely
meets
the
criteria..
I
think
it
was
worth
initiating
and
and
moving
on
to
designation
hearing.
um.
A
Abby
daniels:
is
anyone
wanting
to
entertain
a
motion?.
E
A
A
Abby
daniels:
so
we're
now
moving
on.
and
you
guys
I
want
to
thank
you
all,
because
staff
had
kind
of
determined
that
we
would
be
starting
agenda.
item
five
b,
our
next
public
hearing
at
seven,
forty-five,,
and
we're
only
a
few
minutes
late
on
that..
So
thank
you.
everyone
for
helping
keeping
this
meeting
online.
so
item
five.
b:
is
it?
public
hearing
and
consideration
of
a
landmark
alteration:
certificate
application
to
install
semitic,
siding
on
the
garage.
A
Abby
daniels:
closure
at
night
at
a
garbage
enclosure..
Excuse
me
at
nine
hundred
baseline
avenue
in
the
chautauqua
park,
historic
district
pursuant
to
section
nine
eleven
eighteen
of
the
boulder
revised
code,,
one
thousand
nine
hundred
and
eighty-one,
the
owner
is
the
city
of
boulder,
and
the
applicant
is
the
colorado
chautauqua
association..
So
we
will
move
on
to
the
second
public
hearing
this
evening,.
A
Abby
daniels:
and
thank
you
to
colorado,
chicago
association,,
who
has
agreed
to
this
virtual
meeting?
format.
M
Clare,
brandt,
cob:
alright,
thank
you,
abby.
um,,
so
I
will
go
through
the
quasi-judicial
hearing
procedures.
Everyone
speaking
to
the
item
will
be
sworn
in
and
board.
Members
will
note
any
ex
parte
contacts.
I'll
give
the
staff
presentation,
and
after
that
the
board
may
ask
questions.
M
M
M
M
A
F
F
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
their
overall
fire
mitigation,
goals.
um,,
which
I
do
think,
is
a
topic
that
we
need
to.
F
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
at
a
certain
point,
we
did
touch
on
this
very
specific
topic.
F
F
M
Clare,
brandt,,
cob:
alright,,
so
as
noticed
in
the
agenda,,
the
criteria
for
review
our
I
outlined
in
the
boulder
revised
code,
under
nine,
eleven,
eighteen,
b.
and
nine,
eleven,
eighteen,
c.
M
M
Clare,
brandt,
cob:.
The
options
today
are
for
the
landmarks
board
to
approve
the
application..
This
is
subject
to
a
fourteen
day,
city
council
call-up
period
um..
The
board
may
also
deny
the
application,
which
would
be
subject
to
a
forty-five
day,
period,
in
which
city
council
could
review
the
decision.
M
M
M
M
M
Clare,
brandt,
cob:,
so
the
trash
enclosure
was
constructed
at
the
north
end
of
the
existing
parking
lot,
just
east
of
the
tennis
court
off
of
twelfth
street,
in
chautauqua
park.
to
orient
you..
This
here
is
twelfth
street,,
which
is
shown
on
the
aerial
here.
M
M
M
M
Clare,
brandt,
cob::
this
is
a
closer
image
of
the
structure
and
the
tops
of
the
trees
behind..
So
this
is
the
structure
that
is
proposed
to
be
clad
in
a
cementitious
sighting
rather
than
lap
wood
citing,,
which
was
originally
proposed.
M
M
M
Clare,
brandt,
cob:
use
materials
that
are
similar
in
scale
proportion,,
texture,
and
finish
to
those
used
historically
use
authentic
materials,
materials
made
to
look
like
other
materials
such
as
concrete.
That
is
scored
to
look
like
brick
and
not
appropriate..
Um,.
M
Clare,
brandt,,
cob:,
clare,
brandt,,
cob:,
the
use
of
semantitious
sighting
would
differentiate
this
new
construction
from
historic
buildings
in
the
district.
M
Clare,
brandt,,
cob:
um,,
and
also
that
the
semantitious
sighting
is
installed
in
a
manner
that
is
similar
to
would
lap
sighting
in
that
it
overlaps
the
piece
below,
and
the
reveal
generally
matches
historic
sighting
from
a
distance..
This
does
attempt
to
replicate
application
of
traditional
lap.
sighting,.
M
M
Clare,
brandt,
cob:
um!.
We
did
consider
the
embossed
sighting
with
a
formed.
Wood
pattern
is
not
appropriate
as
a
material
made
to
look
like
other
materials.
M
M
Clare
brandt,
cob:,
the
proposed
sighting,
using
semantitious
sighting,
may
be
appropriate
as
the
overall
scale
and
the
proportion
of
the
citing
and
reveal
generally
matches
start
exciting,
and
the
proposed
color
is
consistent.
M
Clare,
brandt,
cob:
um.
the
proposed
use
of
semantitious
sighting
on
a
garbage
enclosure..
That's
new
construction
doesn't
remove
or
damage
existing
historic
materials..
It
will
have
minimal
visibility
as
it's
at
the
edge
of
the
historic
district..
So
it
will
not
impact
the
character
or
historic
value
of
the
district,.
M
Clare,
brandt,
cob:
and
the
proposal
to
use
smooth,
citing
with
a
similar
reveal.
painted
tutor
brown,
seems
to
be
compatible
with
the
character
of
the
district,
and
will
emulate
historic
sighting,,
but
will
not
replicate
or
attempt
to
create
a
false
indication
that
the
garbage
closure
is
a
historic
building..
M
Clare,
brandt,,
cob:
and
clare
brandt,
cob:,
with
that
we
recommend.
M
A
B
K
O
O
O
Jeff.Medanich:,
this
is
been
on
site
for
fifteen
years,,
and
this
is
part
of
our
overall
strategies
for
waste.
Management.
uh,
we've
been
dealing
with
that,
and
I
always
have
these
goal:
a
a
goal
to
decrease
our
waste,
and
to
better
manage
the
waste.,
and
this
this
has
been
something
that's
been
thought
about
for
quite
a
while.
um,
uh,
actually,
for
many
years,
as
a
way
to
consolidate.
O
Jeff.Medanich:
that
those
efforts,,
and
also
to
the
the
the
damage
that's
caused
by
the
large
trash
trucks
that
come
on
site
very,
very
frequently
they
hit
the
buildings
they
hit,.
They
damage
the
roads..
If
you've
been
up,
there,
you'll
see
that
the
roads
are
in
in
terrible
condition.
O
Jeff.Medanich:,
the
the
the
streets,
and
much
of
that
damage
is
due
to
the
heavy
traffic
that
the
those
streets
were
never
designed,
for.
um.,
so
this
is
all
been
very,.
I
believe,
very
well
vetted
in
the
thought,
process.
and
then
again,
we're
here
to
discuss
the
use
of
which
material
wood
siding
has
been
approved
for
the
structure.
um,.
If
that's.
O
Jeff.Medanich:,
if
that's
well,,
I
imagine
we
could
move
forward
with
that
if
we
retract
the
application
for
the
cement
board
depending
on
our
conversation.,
but
I
really
don't
wanna
um.,
you
know.
We've
we've
discussed
this
several
times..
I
don't
want
to
bring
it
further
than
the
task
to
as
far
as
time,
spent.
A
E
E
John
decker:
cementitious
material.
O
Jeff.Medanich:
um,
john,,
I
think
it
again..
It
was
uh,
in
somewhat
a
response
of
of
what
we've
seen
recently
related
to
the
wildfires
and
zoom.
If
you,,
as
you
may
know,
or
not,
know,,
it's
talk
with
right.
Now.
isn't
is
very,
very
actively
pursuing
wildfire
mitigation,
and
we've
got
several
grand
state
brands.
National
park
service
brand.
O
Jeff.Medanich:
to
to
continue
that
investigation.,
so
we've
always
considered
ourselves
sort
of
a
learning
lab
idea,.
This
idea
that,
let's,
let's
try
something.,
let's
see
if
this
I
mean
it's
again.,
it's
sort
of
being
a
devil's
advocate,,
I'd,
say.
O
Jeff.Medanich:
in
in
continuing
a
conversation
that
I
think
we're
all
as
preservation
is
going
to
be
faced,
with,
and
there's,
there's
no
intention
to
use
it
further
than
on
that
one
new
structure.
um,,
but
that
is
it's
in
sort
of,.
I
guess,
in
the
in
the
cause
of
conversation.
A
B
B
B
Brenda
ritenour
(she/her):,
you
should
be
able
to
unmute,
and
aubrey
will
put
up
the
timer
for
you
once
you
are
ready,
and
I'm
sure
abby
will
need
to
swear
you
in..
I
I
do
need
to
swear
you
in
georgia,
and
thank
you
for
hanging
in
here
with
us
during
this
meeting.
um!,
to
speak
at
this
time
to
this
issue..
So
if
you
will
swear
to
tell
the
board
the
whole
truth,
and
state
your
full
name.,
your
three
minutes
will
then
begin.
L
L
Georgia,
chamberlain:
and
hopefully,
you
will
consider
using
fire
fire
retardant
materials
throughout
the
chatauqua
grounds,.
A
Abby
daniels:
well,.
Thank
you
so
much
for
taking
the
time
and
effort
to
share
that
with
us.
A
Abby
daniels:,
we
appreciate
it.
um!,
brenda,
ritenour,
(she/her):
and
brenda,,
who
is
next
in
the
queue?
yes,.
We
have
miles
posen,,
who
has
moved
up
from
third
to
second.
um,
patrick.
also,.
I
saw
your
hand
pop
up
and
down.
okay,
so,
patrick..
Now
you
will
be
third
uh.,
so
we
will
move
forward
with
miles
posing.
A
B
Miles
posen:
we
can.
yes,,
we
can.
okay,
great..
My
name
is
susan
shirk
all
I
miles
closest
partner..
He
couldn't
be
here
this
evening
because
he
had
a
continuing
education
class
planned
way
before
this,,
but
I
have
a
letter
that
he
has
written,
and
I
was
just
wondering
if
I
could
read
that
on
his
behalf.
A
Miles
posen:
yes,
you
may.
okay,
to
the
attention
of
the
landmark
board
members..
Thank
you
for
taking
the
time
to
review
my
comments
and
concerns
below
regarding
the
impending
barbage
and
closure
being
erected
at
nine
hundred
baseline
road
in
the
chicago
historic
district..
In
this
communication,
I
will
be
referring
to
the
aforementioned
garbage
enclosure
as
the
centralized
trust
collection
site.
P
Miles
posen:
for
chicago,
going
forward,
and
it
has
been
described
to
me
in
this
way
by
various
members
of
the
shit
top
with
staff..
I
have
been
a
friendly
neighbor
of
chicago
for
the
past
twenty-four
years.,
my
home
is
located
approximately
one
hundred
feet
northeast
of
this
new
trash
collection.
Site,,
the
structure
sits
on
the
north
end
of
the
east,
parking
lot,
which
falls
under
the
jurisdiction
of
shit
office.
Lease
with
the
city
of
boulder.
other
nearby
neighbors
are
less
than
one
hundred
feet
away
from
the
trash
collection.
Site.
I'm.
P
Miles:
posen:
first..
It
is
important
to
note
that
in
the
spring
of
one
thousand,
nine
hundred
and
eighty-five
at
the
time
plans
for
establishing
the
east
parking
lot,
we're
under
consideration
the
parts
and
recreation
advisory
board,
convened
and
reviewed
the
proposal
to
establish
such
lot
at
chicago
minutes
from
the
twenty
may
twentieth.
One
thousand
nine
hundred
and
eighty-five
parks
and
recreation
advisory
board
meeting
revealed
a
unanimous
approval
by
the
board
that
the
east
parking
lot..
This
is
a
quote.
P
P
Miles
posen:
by
the
parks
and
recreation
advisory
board
and
landmark's
board.,
I
am
wondering,
as
a
resident
who
stands
to
be
dramatically
affected
by
this
new
trash
collection
site..
Just
how
to
taco
was
able
to
create
a
trash
collection
site
for
cement
slab
and
build
a
metal
framework
on
the
east
parking
lot..
Have
there
been
any
changes
made
to
the
mandate
set
forth
by
the
parks
and
recreation
advisory
board
to
question.?
If
not,,
then,
the
newly
constructed
framework
and
some
men
slap
should
not
be
allowable
in
these
parking
lot.
P
Miles
posen:
for
some,
I'm
sorry
for
centralizing
their
trash
through
this
new
collection,
site.
further,
more
as
affected
residents,.
We
would
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
immediately
receive
a
comment
on
any
context,
plans
and
details
going
forward,
which
actually
should
have
been
done
before
any
construction
of
the
trash
collection
site.
Commenced.
P
Miles
posen:.
If
changes
were
made
to
the
mandate.,
then
I
would
encourage
these
to
be
shared
with
all
affected
residents
and
stakeholders
for
review..
In
recent
years,
two
significant
projects
were
completed,,
resulting
in
major
improvements
to
the
playground,
tennis
court
and
lighting,
both
in
and
adjacent
to
the
east
parking
lot..
The
planning
of
these
projects
involved
all
stakeholders,,
including
chicago
association,
parks
and
recreation,
advisory,
board,,
landmark
board,
city
council,,
chicago,,
residential
taco
neighbors.
In
the
general
public.
There
were
several
review
meetings
held
with
all
the
stakeholders
where
they
were
afforded
the
platform
to
provide
feedback,.
P
B
Miles
posen:.
Sorry,
I
hit
the
mute
button.
There,
abby.,
um,
susan,.
If
you
want
to
unmute
and
answer
abby's
question.
okay,,
I'm
sorry.,
there
was
just
a
little
bit
more.
just
some
bullets,
about.
why,
um!,
the
trash!,
the
the
considerations
of
of
why
miles
is
strongly
opposed
to
establishing
the
trash
collection
site,
one
hundred
feet
from
the
home.
A
Miles
posen:
okay,
thank
you.,
and
I
believe
we
also
received
an
email
from
him
as
well,
which
you
did,,
but
I
I
am,
since
I'm
standing
in
for
him,,
and
I
have
another
commitment,
myself,
and
I'm
a
little
late,
and
I
apologize..
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
I
at
least
present
to
this
communication.
no,.
We
really
appreciate
your
time
and
joining
us
tonight
to
do
that..
Thank
you.
A
B
Brenda
ritenour
(she/her):
hmm.
brenda
ritenour
(she/her):.
Maybe
your
microphone
settings.
yeah,!
I
still
don't
here
upon
zoom.,
there's
a
little
drop
up
in
room
next
to
your
mute,
button,.
B
Brenda
ritenour
(she/her):
and
perhaps
you
need
to
select
a
different
microphone
option.
There,.
B
B
Hmm.
brenda
ritenour
(she/her):.
Let
me
brenda
ritenour
(she/her):,
disable
your
mute
button
and
then
try
giving
it
to
you
again
and
see
if
that
helps
any.
J
J
Patrick
orourke:
and
he's
a
very
patrick
orourke:
easy
going
person
in
a
reasonable
person..
So
I
just
thought
I'd
reach
out
to
you
and
and
and
give
you
a
couple
of
comments:
um,,
I'm
there
every
sunday
morning
at
seven
o'clock,,
so
I'm
familiar
with
this
site.
I
was
there
actually
last
week,.
J
J
J
J
Patrick
orourke:,
the
to
tacoa,
association,
and
there's
a
perfect
location
where
I
parked
my
car
every
sunday
morning
to
put
this
facility,
and
it's
in
the
same
location..
So
as
being
a
good
neighbor.,
I
would
hope
that
chickpac
would
would
do
that..
I
also
looked
at
the
proposal,.
J
J
J
J
Patrick
orourke:
not
encouraged,
and
quite
honestly,
would
review
the
the
documents
that
might
exist
at
an
earlier
time
in
order
to
make
sure
that
to
tackle
works
with
them.,
and
on
that
note
um,,
I'm
hoping
that
you
talk
what
might
consider.
J
A
Brenda
ritenour
(she/her):
thank
you,,
patrick.
brenda.
has
anyone
else
raised
their
hand?
catherine
barth
raised
her
hand
briefly,,
and
then
it
looked
like
she
got.
Zoom
kicked
her
out
of
the
meeting.,
so
I
just
want
to
check
in
catherine
if
you
would
like.
yep,
katherine's
and
came
back
up.
B
N
H
Kathryn
barth:,
as
kathryn
barth:
site,
is
a
national..
He
advice
and
consent
has
been
sought
from
the
national
park
service,
or
from
the
representatives
in
denver,.
H
Kathryn
barth:
the
national
park
service,,
and
I
think
it
should
be,
I
think,
their
their
opinion
on
this
design.
H
H
H
B
B
B
B
Abby
daniels:,
I
don't
even
see
kathryn's
name
in
the
meeting
anymore.,
so
I
think
she's
not
her
friend,
right
now,,
but
but
I
I
think
we
did
here
that
she
wondered
what
other
entities
were
reached
out
to
like
the
national
park
service
and
so
forth.
so,
um,
brenda,.
Do
you
see?
any
other
members
of
the
public
would
like
to
speak
to
this
agenda.
Item?.
B
I
I
I
I
I
Lynn,
segal:
consulted,,
and
that
there
was
a
deeper
dive
given
to
the
the
issue
of
wildlife
and
attraction,
and
that
the
national
part
should
have
been
consulted,
and
the
other.
Various
boards
should
have
been
consulted
to
um,.
I
I
Lynn,
segal:
for
a
full
review
with
all
those
other
entities..
Although
I
support
jeff,,
I
love
what
jeff's
doing
up
at
chautauqua,
and
I
support
the
simultaneous
sighting,
of
course,
um,
and
for
the
reasons
I
described..
But
there's
other
elements
going
on
here.
That
are
just
distracting
from
the
fact
that
it's.
I
I
I
I
B
O
O
Jeff.Medanich:
that.,
that's
okay.,
I'm:,
I'm:,
fine.,
um:,
yeah.
again..
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
again,
and
so
many
of
the
things
that
were
mentioned,
believe
me,
and
nothing,,
as
as
you
know,
all
know,
as
well
as
I
do.
nothing
happens
quickly.
At
chatauqua,
I
mean.
we
had
the
approval
to
build
this.
O
O
O
Jeff.Medanich:
um!
they're
already
what
they
who
was
exposed
to
problems
or
issues.,
I'm
actually
meeting
with
osmp
on
friday
to
discuss
the
bears
and
the
couple
of
them.
there's
a
mother
in
a
couple
of
cubs
that
are
in
trouble
up
there
because
they're
just
getting,,
you
know.,
I
mean,,
there's,
there's
just
so
much
that
goes
on..
So
we
thought
that
if
we
could
control
that
to
one
area
that
we
had
more
control
over.,
we
can
make
sure
things
are
locked
at
night.
I
mean
it's:
just
people
don't
necessarily
participate
in
that..
I
mean,.
O
Jeff.Medanich:
is
the
trash
and,
and
the
bears,
you
know
we
don't
want
to
see,
bears
get
in
trouble
by
any
means.
The
large
gates
that
you
might
see
on
that
structure.
um,.
What
was
never
discussed
is
there's
actually
what
I
pull
a
mand
or
walked,
or
something
like
a
garage,.
You
know
a
a
a
three
foot
wide
door.,
so
people
don't
have
to
open
the
large
gates
as
frequently
as
the
trash
trucks
will
when
they
come
up
to
to
empty
the
trash..
O
So
conversations
to
date,
as
really
I've
really
been
with
the
state
historic
fund..
We
we
have
worked
very,.
O
Jeff.Medanich:
very,
very
closely
with
the
state.
there's
been
a
lot
of
changes,,
as,
as
we
all
know,
and
um!,
we
had
a
large
grant
from
the
auditorium..
The
the
state
has
a
sort
of
covenant
on
certain
areas
of
chicago,,
not
that
particular
area,,
but
we
happen
to
have
a
lot
of
conversations
with
those
folks..
They
came
up
to
see
the
new
cafe
and
um..
We
discussed
the
our
efforts
where
this
is.
really,.
This
is
an
effort
towards
sustainability,.
You
know,
is
how
this
really
sort
of
started
as
far
as
waste
management.
O
Jeff.Medanich:
um,,
so
you
know,,
I
I
appreciate
everything
that
was
said,
and
I
appreciate
the
the
folks
that
are
in
support
of
it.
um!,
but
I
also,
I
I
understand,
concerns,
and
I
think
that
chataka
tries
to
do
as
good
a
job
as
we
can.
addressing
as
many.
O
A
A
Abby
daniels:
you
know,
bill,,
we've
been
kicking
it
off
alphabetically
in
this
virtual
format.
um!.
A
Abby
daniels:,
when
we
were
meeting
in
person,
we
could
kind
of
raise
a
hand,
easier.
kind
of
use,
body,
language
to
say,
we'd
like
to
go
first,,
but
if
you'd
be
willing
to
kick
off
this
discussion,,
that
would
be
great.
C
Bill
jellick:,
uh:,
yeah,
I'm.,
I'm
sorry
that
the
applicant.
I'm
sorry
the
um.
C
Bill
jellick:,
this
structure
can't
be
given
a
fair
hearing
tonight,
because
we're
not
here
to
discuss
that.
we're
here
to
discuss
the
use
of
a
non-natural
material
um,
on
a
structure
that
is
within
a
national
historic
landmark,.
C
C
C
C
Bill
jellick:,
but
anyway,,
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
this
particular
application.
um,.
I
do
want
to
point
out,
though,
that
there
was
a
letter
that
came
in
that
I
read
uh,,
maybe
from
maybe
possibly
one
of
the
people
that
spoke
on
this
topic.
C
Bill
jellick:
wishing
to
expand
this
discussion,
to
allow
all
structures
up
and
to
talk
with,
to
have
fire
retardant
citing
applied
to
them.,
and
I
want
to
point
out
again..
This
is
yet
another
reason
why
we
have
to
address
this
topic.
C
C
C
Bill
jellick:,
be
it
a
topic
that
is
not
being
addressed
by
either
the
historic
preservation
staff
or
by
this
board.
We
will
get
more
and
more
of
these
things
coming
up,
and
it
will
continue
to
put
the
landmarks
board
in
a
in
a,.
I
think,
difficult
position.,
but
I'm
in
favor
of
of
applying
this
particular.
C
Bill
jellick:
type
of
citing
to
this
particular
structure.
A
Abby
daniels:
okay,
thank
you,
bill,
and
thank
you
for
also
um,
bringing
up
the
the
letter
from
the
neighbor,
and
so
forth.,
and
I
hope
every
landmarks
board
member
got
to
have
a
chance
to
read
the
email
from
kj.
that
he
sent
this
afternoon
before
the
meeting.
sort
of
addressing
those
issues
that
go
back
to
nineteen
eighty-five,.
But
that's
not
what's
before
us
tonight..
It
is
this.
This
lac
for
this
trash
enclosure
with
the
semitic
siding.
A
Abby
daniels:,
actually
it
wasn't,.
Although
I
read
his,,
it
was
not
his.,
it
was
a
a
a,
a,
a,
a,,
a
a
woman.
oh,
well,
no,.
I
I
know.
yes,
and
I
think
she
did
speak
this
evening.
I
think
we
got..
We
got
kj's
clarification
for
miles
letter,
and
then
I
think
there
was
an
interest,
or
you
know,,
a
request
to
this
be
considered
throughout
the.
A
Abby
daniels:
chelsea:.
D
Chelsea
castellano:
yeah,-
I
am
in
favor
of
allowing
this
request,
and
for
the
reasons
that
staff
lead
out.,
um,
and,
for
you
know,
just
the
logical
reasons
of
it's
new
construction..
It's
better
to
have.
D
D
Chelsea
castellano:
concerns
and
for
the
person
who
spoke
for
him.
I
I
do
want
to
share
that.
You
know
I
live
in
an
area
where
we
have
a
shared,.
D
D
Chelsea
castellano:,
it's
not
an
issue.
so.
um,.
While
I
appreciate
the
concern
as
somebody
who
lives
in
a
situation
where
we
have
this
type
of
enclosure,
it,,
it
truly
is
not
a
problem.
um!.
So
hopefully
that
provides
some
comfort.
E
John
decker:,
so
john
decker:
in
the
case
of
this
particular
review.
um,.
E
John
decker:,
and
because
it's
being
used
in
a
way
that
is
at
least
sensitive
to
the
district
and
colored
in
a
way
that
fits
into
the
district.
in
fact,.
It's
a
selection
from
the
palette
in
the
district.
E
John
decker:
um,
john
decker:.
I
think
that
I
agree
with
bill,
john
decker:,
but
I
think
that
john
decker:
we
have
to
have
john
decker:,
particularly
about
this
material..
I
think
we
have
to
have
a
much
more
robust
discussion
about
it,,
especially
when
used
on
structures
other
than
new
construction..
It's
it's
an
arguably.
E
E
E
E
E
E
F
F
F
F
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
applaud
ronnie
pelusio
lmb:,
the
association
for
exploring
this.
no,.
I
think
jeff
was
saying.
um,
that
they're
a
laboratory
of
sorts,-
and
you
know
these
are
easy
decisions..
I
think
there
will
be
versions
of
this
that
might
be
harder
for
us
collectively
to
come
to
consensus
on
um.,
but
I
do
think
that
this
particular
one.
F
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
um,,
you
know,
pilots,
a
pretty
good
question
and
a
place.
That's
sensitive.,
um.
lastly,.
I
believe
that
if
we
go
forward
with
an
approval
like
this,,
it
does
not
diminish
either
the
character
or
the
status
of
this
landmark.
Area.
F
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
um,
and
it
doesn't
put
in
jeopardy
the
current,,
the
the
landmark
status
of
the
campus.,
so
you
know,.
If
those
flags
started
to
be
raised.
um,,
I
think
we
might
have
a
more
challenging
conversation
on
our
hands.,
but
don't
think
that's
the
case
for
this
um,
and
I
plan
to
support
the
request.
A
A
Abby
daniels:
the
secretary
of
interior
guidelines
from
the
national
park
service,,
because
you
know
where
I'm
really
struggling..
This
is
a
a
national,
historic,
landmark.
and
um!.
This
is
with
the
the.
A
Abby
daniels:,
I
would
I
would.,
I
crave
a
training,
an
expert
thirty,
forty-five
minutes
of
someone
really
explaining
to
me
about
this
material..
I've
also
heard
that
it's
not
the
most
recyclable
material
when
it's
used
on
a
house..
I
understand
that
it
doesn't
provide..
You
need
to
provide
more
insulation
in
that
house,,
because
this,
and
then
itself
doesn't
provide
the
same.
A
Abby
daniels:
insulation
that
other
other
sightings
do.,
and
I
think
that
I
applaud
all
the
efforts
of
jeff
the
cca.,
and
you
know
it
is
a
learning
lab..
It
is
a
a
real
life.
opportunity
to
explore
this..
But
you
know
where
I'm
struggling
is.,
I
don't
have
a
guideline,
or
I
have
staff
expertise..
I
have
what
the
board
is
bringing
to
this
decision,,
but
I
don't
have
something
like
the.
A
A
Abby
daniels:,
if,
if
this,,
if
this
proceeds
as
it
sounds
like
it's
going
to
it,,
it
will
be
a
real
learning
thing
to
me,.
But
what
I'd
love
to
see,
and
I'm
hoping
either
an
upcoming
session
at
either
the
cpi
conference
in
boulder
in
february,
or
the
national
trust
for
historic
preservation
conference
in
in
november.?
I
realize
how
inadequately
I
have
been
trained,
or
have
the
knowledge,
or
can
find
the
information
to
make
a
well
informed
decision
for
for.
A
F
F
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
in
the
chatauqua
park.
historic
district,,
as
shown
on
application,,
receives
august
sixteenth,
two
thousand
and
twenty-two.,
finding
that
the
proposal
meets
the
standards
of
issuance
of
the
landmark
alteration
certificate
in
chapter
nine
hundred
and
eighteen
brc.,
one
thousand
nine
hundred
and
eighty..
One
is
generally
consistent
with
the
general
design
guidelines.
E
C
Abby
daniels:
yes,
I
am.,
and
I
was
suggesting
that
we
asked
for
one
last
period
of
discussion
to
discuss
the
motion..
If
anybody
has
any.
okay,.
Does
anyone
have
anything
they'd
like
to
comment
on
now
that
a
motion
is
on
the
table.
A
Abby
daniels:
um.
thank
you,
jeff,
and
thank
you
to
everyone
from
the
public
who
spoke
to
this.
O
Abby
daniels:,
so
taco
is
with
some
sex
somewhat
successful.
and
uh,.
In
making
us
talk,
about,
you
know
again..
I
know
we
have
plenty
to
talk
about,,
so
I
I
I
appreciate
your
time..
I
I
appreciate
the
issue
being
kind
of
forced
on
that..
I
just
wish
we
could
have
had
a
you
know..
I
would
have
like
some
training
or
or
thorough
information
from
from
someone
prior
to
having
to
vote
on
this.,
but
thank
you,
jeff,
for
everything
you
do.
A
F
F
A
A
A
A
A
Abby
daniels:
abby
daniels:
virtual
format
prior
to
the
meeting.
A
Abby
daniels:
so,
claire,.
I
believe
you're
going
to
kick
us
off,,
but
we
should
probably
impart
any
ex
parte
contacts,
and
I
I
think
you
have
listed,
who
has
seen
this
already
at
ldrc.
correct?.
M
M
M
M
M
Clare,
brandt,,
cob:
and
uh,.
A
record
of
this
hearing
is
kept
by
staff.
so
previously
reviewed
at
the
ldrc.
that
was
ronnie
and
abby
on
august
tenth.
M
M
Clare,
brandt,,
cob:,
that
the
work
is
compatible
with
the
character
of
the
property,
and
that
the
landmarks
board
considers
the
economic
feasibility
of
alternatives..
M
Clare,
brandt,
cob:.
The
options
today
offer
the
landmarks
board
to
approve
the
application..
This
is
subject
to
fourteen
day
city
council
call
up
period
um..
They
may
also
deny
the
application,,
which
would
be
subject
to
a
forty-five
day
period
in
which
city
council
could
review
the
decision.
um!
a
denial
would
mean
the
applicant
could
not
submit.
M
M
M
M
Clare
brandt,,
cob:
um..
The
house
was
constructed
in
one
thousand
nine
hundred
and
fifty-seven,,
which
is
outside
of
the
eighteen,
ninety,
to
one
thousand
nine
hundred
and
forty-one
period
of
significance.
for
the
district.
um..
This
is
the
photograph
from
the
one
thousand
nine
hundred
and
fifty-eight
tax
assessor
card.
M
M
Clare,
brandt,,
cob:,
eight,,
seventy,,
five,
fourteenth
street
is
not
there.
um,.
It
would
be
right
here..
It
will
be
built
right
here,
a
few
years
later,,
actually
a
decade
later.
M
Clare,
brandt,,
cob:
clare
brandt,,
cob:
windows
placed
tightly
under
the
eaves..
It
was
heavily
modified
in
two
thousand
and
eleven.
M
Clare,
brandt,
cob:,
the
clare,
brandt,
cob:,
the
under
the
house
garage,
was
incorporated
into
the
living
space,
and
two
dormers
were
added
to
the
front
of
the
house.
um,.
You
can
see
on
the
site
plan
from
from
back.,
then
in
two
thousand
and
eleven.
there's
a
large
dorm
added
here,
and
a
small
here.
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
Clare,
brandt,,
cob:
um.,
so
the
brighter
the
yellow,,
the
more
the
sunlight.
um..
The
applicant
probably
can
explain
this
better
than
me,,
but
the
darker,
the
colors,
the
worst.
it
is
for
solar,
panels.
um..
Their
analysis
is
included
in
the
memo..
They
did
provide
an
analysis
of
adding
panels
to
the
rear.
M
Clare
brandt,
cob:
of
the
roof,,
which
is
the
west
elevation
um,.
M
Clare
brandt,
cob:,
and
they
the
analysis
that
they
provided
said
that
they
could
install
sixteen
panels
in
total
on
the
rear
roof,,
but
that
would
produce
only
five
thousand
six
hundred
and
fifty-two
kilowatt
hours
per
year,,
which
is
a
seventy.
one
percent
offset
of
the
energy
needs
of
the
homeowner.
M
M
M
M
M
M
Clare,
brandt,,
cob:
and
um.
clare
brandt,
cob:.
We
also
expected
that
pedestrians
wouldn't
be
able
to
see
them.,
they
wouldn't
be
highly
visible..
Um,
someone
very
tall,
or
in
a
toll
veil
to
to
to
vehicle,
may
be
able
to
see
them.
um,.
M
Clare,
brandt,
cob:.
We
also
looked
at
guideline
four
point:
one
protection
of
historic
buildings.
M
Clare,
brandt,,
cob:
and
clare
brandt,,
cob:,
clare,
brandt,,
cob:,
not
so
much
for
the
protection
of
the
non-contributing
building,,
but
for
the
district
overall.
M
M
Clare
brandt,,
cob:
um!.
It
says
that
clare
brandt,,
cob:
ah!
to
design
new
editions,
so
that
the
overall
character
of
the
site.,
site.,
topography,
character,
defining
site,
features
and
trees
are
retained..
Locate,
new
additions
on
an
inconspicuous
elevation
of
a
historic
building.
Generally,
the
real
one,.
M
Clare,
brandt,,
cob:
and
locating,
in
addition
to
the
front
of
the
structure,,
is
inappropriate,
because
it
obscures
the
historic
facade
of
a
building,
and
we
considered
that
the
panels
would
be
in
an
inconspicuous
location,
and
wouldn't
obscure
any
historic
features.
M
M
Clare,
brandt,
cob:
will
have
zero
to
minimal
visibility.
and
will
not
damage.
the
character
of
the
immediate
streetscape
and
or
adversely
affect
the
special
historic
character
of
the
university
place.
historic
district
um..
The
house
is
considered
non-contributing
to
the
district
being
constructed
outside
of
the
period
of
significance.
M
A
M
Clare
brandt,,
cob:,
here.,
yup,
ben
is
representing
the.
M
Clare,
brandt,
cob:,
so
over
your
clare,
brandt,
cob:
brenda,.
If
you
would.
oh,,
you
did
it
already,
you
know.
step
ahead
of
me,.
A
Q
Q
Ben
long:
um,,
I
don't
think
I'll,
need
the
full
ten
minutes..
I
think
we
did
sort
of
go
through
the
the
highlights.
Clear,
did
a
great
job
of
summarizing
that
for
us.
um,
yeah,
of
just
sort
of
to
to
touch
on
the
high
level
things
we
did
do
like
to
do,
the
black
on
black
panels
to
be,,
as
you
know,.
Q
Q
Q
Q
Ben
long:,
my
colleague,
noah,
project
manager
for
this
installation,
has
also
joined
us
on
the
meeting.
um!
and
he'd
be
able
to
speak
to
some
of
the
more
technical
aspects.
If
you
have
questions
to
that.
um.
R
R
Noah
herreid:,
the
the
homeowner
kevin
baum,
wanted
to
join
us
tonight,,
but
unfortunately
he
is
out
of
the
country
for
business.
um!
and
it's
about
two
in
the
morning
where
he
is
right,
now,,
so
he
he
opted
not
to
attend.
R
Noah
herreid:
wanted
to
to
thank
the
staff
for,
presenting
the
the
information
that
we
provided.
um,.
We
did
do
extensive
studies,
looking
at
at
at
the
viability
of
of
adding
the
array
on
the
west
facing
slope
of
of
the
house,
as
been
mentioned.
R
Noah
herreid:
um,.
We
when
there.
yup,,
there's
that
other
that
other
model.
we
could
see
what
what
we
could
fit
up
there
and
do
to
the
additional
trees.
um!.
R
Noah
herreid:
and
the
the
afternoon
sunlight
cuts
off
more
with
the
effect
of
the
horizon.
As
we
get
closer
to
the
mountains.
uh,.
R
R
Noah
herreid:
and
it's,
you
know,
not
not
a
viable
option
for
for
uh,
mr.
baum
and
his
family.
Do
the
added
cost
of
of
the
solar
um,.
R
Noah
herreid:
and
uh,
in
in
doing
a
review
uh,.
We
also
wanted
to
point
out..
There
was
a
another
country
non
contributing
structure
in
this
district
within
the
past
year..
That
was
a
granted
certificate
by
this.
R
A
R
A
C
Bill
jellick:
two
things
is
this
precedent
you're
referring
to
in
a
in
another
historic
district,
and
second
thing
is:
is
it
on
a
street
facing.
R
Noah
herreid:
uh,,
the
the
home
I'm
referring
to
is
one
thousand
three
hundred
and
thirty-three
cascade..
It
is
on
the
same
block
in
the
same
district.
uh,,
and
there
are
panels
facing
the
street
side,
a
a
at
a
higher
angle
than
the
current
property,.
E
John
decker:,
the
meaning
of
higher
angle?,
do
you
mean
that
it's
more
visible?
is
it??
Is
it
steeper
to
the
street
view,
or
flatter?.
E
Noah
herreid:
that's
correct.
higher
by
higher
angle,,
I
mean,
a
steeper
pitch?
um!,
so
yes,
it
is
more
visible
than
the
current
proposal.
okay,
thank
you..
B
B
H
H
Kathryn
barth:,
the
historic
district,
and
this
particular
situation
with
that
large
dorm
or
roof.
H
H
H
B
I
Lynn
segal:,
I
thought
the
skylight
was
sworn
in
sworn
the
truth.
um,.
I
thought
the
skylights
were
on
the
back
part
of
the
house.
um,.
Maybe
I
misunderstood,
and
that's
why
they
didn't
one
of
the
reasons
that
the
owner
said
he
didn't,
or
someone
said
they
didn't,
want
a
place
that
have
to
juggle
around
skylights.
I
I
Lynn,
segal:
and
um,.
I
Lynn
segal:
I
mean,
theoretically,
listening
to
all
the
guidelines.,
it
does
not
meet.
I
Lynn,
segal:
everything
that
it
should..
You
know
that
it
does
affect
visual
field,,
but
I
think
that
that
that
it's
worth
the
benefit
and.
A
B
A
Abby
daniels:
okay,,
so
public
participation
is
officially
closed
for
this
item.
and
noah
and
ben
you.
You
are
entitled
to
three
minutes
to
rebatter
to
add
any
additional
comments.
After
public
participation.
R
Noah
herreid:
uh,.
I
think
I'd
just
like
to
to
thank
members
of
the
public
for,,
sharing
their
views
on
this
and
um,.
You
know
we
we
agree.,
we
think
more.
Solar
is
better
for
our
community.
um,,
as
we.
R
R
Noah
herreid:
informed
decision.,
so
thank
you
all
for
letting
us
make
our
case.
A
C
C
E
C
C
Bill
jellick:-
and
this
is
one
of
those
situations
where
it's
good-
to
have
a
human
being.
um!
look
at
the
guideline.
look
at
the
actual
condition
that
we're
faced
with,
and
then
make
a
judgment
call
and
say,
well,.
We
really
can't
see
these
panels
from
the
street..
We
can
barely
see
them
from
across
the
street.
C
Bill
jellick:,
why
would
we
have
these
guidelines
in
place?
well,,
because
most
most
rooms
facing
the
street,
don't
have
such
a
gentle,
or
a
lack
of
the
degree
angular
degree
facing
the
street.
C
A
Abby
daniels:
um,
abby
daniels:,
I
agree,
bill,
it
after
having
been
one
of
the
members
of
the
ldrc
on
august
tenth.
um,.
I
know
we
kind
of
put
namaste
through
the
hoops
and
ask
them
to
really
explore
the
west
side,
and
then
coming
back
with
um,,
you
know.,
thank
you
for
doing
that,
and
showing
kind
of
what
the
loss
would
be
by
placing
them
on
the
rear
of
the
house,,
and
I
think
bill
hit
the
nail
on
the
head
with
the
pitch
of
the
roof,
and
um,.
You
know
it's..
A
Abby
daniels:,
either
historic
preservation
or
energy
efficiency,
when
they
both
can
go
beautifully
hand
in
hand,,
and
I
think
this
is
one
of
the
projects
that
demonstrates
that.
E
John
decker:
have
been
john
decker:
fairly
well
met
in
this
case,,
the
criteria
being
we
first
look
at
position
on
the
roof
or
location
on
the
roof..
The
ideal
is
to
keep
them
off
of
the
front
of
the
roof,.
E
John
decker:
that,,
failing
that
which
we
did
by
analysis,,
locating
them
on
a
part
of
the
roof
with
the
least.
E
John
decker:
visibility.,
we
also
the
second
criteria,
is.
A
Abby
daniels:
a
few
things
to
do,,
but
I
don't
know
if
staff
has
anything
first,,
but
otherwise
I'll
jump.
In.
M
Clare,
brandt,
cob:.
I
don't
believe
we
have
any
updates
from
stuff,
christopher,.
You
can
correct
me
if
I'm
forgetting
something
in,
as
any
members
of
the
board
has
questions
for
us.
A
A
Abby
daniels:
um,.
I
appreciate
that
abby
daniels:,
you're
welcome,,
and
you
and
you
know
a
shout
out
to
staff,
you're
doing
a
great
job
in
in
you've
almost
made
it
halfway.
Through,
or
you
have
reached
the
halfway
point
of
marcy's
leave
so
great
job
for
keeping
everything
moving
along..
So
I
have
been
working
on
the
board.
Initiative.
update
just
sort
of
these
little
spreadsheets
to
see,,
and
it's
been
fascinating
because
it's
some
of
it's
simple,
and
some
of
it..
I
realize
all
the
issues
with.
A
Abby
daniels:
and
I
think
some
of
our
hearings
tonight
point
out
the
need
for
design
guideline
updates,
and
especially
as
it
relates.
A
A
Abby
daniels:
guidelines
accordingly,
and
I
don't
have
anything
to
show
you
tonight,
and
I
almost
sent
them
to
claire
this
morning,,
but
I
didn't
think
that
was
fair..
I
know
her
work
ethic..
I
didn't
want
to
burden
her
before
this
meeting.
Tonight.
but,
um!
there!.
There
are
a
lot
of
things
that
can
kind
of
be
be
grouped
together,,
but
there
are
really
a
lot
of
things
that
need
some
fulsome
discussions
and
and
some
things
like
that.
and
I'm
also,,
as
I'm.
A
A
Abby
daniels:,
you
know,
patrick,
a
work
once
again
reiterate
that
they're
willing
to
support
us,
and
they'd
like
support
from
us,,
as
well
as
as
lynn
siegel
as
executive
director
of
historic
folder
about
how
best
to
partner,
and
how
we
can
move
the
ball
forward.,
so
stay
tuned
it..
I
got
excited
about
it,
and
then
I
also
realized
how
many
pieces
there
were
to
some
of
these..
The
other
thing
I
wanted
to
share
is,.
I
attended
the
boards
and
commission.
A
A
Abby
daniels:,
I
think
it
was
abby
daniels:.
Now
I'm
trying
to
remember
which
staff
member,.
I
think
it
was
john
morris
who
led
this
discussion
that
sometimes
it
will
take
a
for
two
or
three
letters
or
two
or
three
years
to
counsel
asking
for
the
same
priority,
or
to
get
it
into
council
or
city
staff's
work
plan
before
a
particular
subject
really
does
get
on
the
radar
and
start
moving
along
through
through
their
policies
and
procedures,,
and
I
thought
that
was
interesting,
and
one
of.
A
Abby
daniels:
the
things
that
they
also
said,,
and
I
don't
know
if
they
were
referring
to
landmarks
for
two
years
ago
or
another
board,
and
they
said,
and
some
one
board
sent
in
a
video
instead
of
a
letter,,
and
that
was
really
great..
So
I
wanted
to
throw
that
out
there
as
we
get
ever
closer
to
a
deadline
for.
A
A
Abby
daniels:
historic
boulder
has
been
doing
these
holiday
house
tours
and
this
year
it's
on
the
saturday,,
december,,
third,
and
fourth,,
and
in
previous
years.
A
Abby
daniels:
both
staff
members
in
the
preservation
and
planning
department,
as
well
as
landmarks.
board
members,.
If
they're
interested,
have
signed
up
to
volunteer
for
a
shift,
and
I'm
actually
going
to
be
a
house
captain
this
year
on
both
days
and
um..
So
if
anyone
is
interested,
I
can
get
more
details
to
you
about
what
the
shifts
are.
previously,.
If
you
volunteered,,
you,
also
got
a
ticket
to
go,
see
the
other
houses..
I
can
very
quickly
tell
you
that
one
of
the
house
is
featured
on
this
year's
tour.
A
Abby
daniels:
is
that
seventh
and
aurora.
it's
the
scott
carpenter
house,
where
his
maternal
grandmother
lived,
and
where
he
grew
up
and
went
to
boulder,
high,
and
everything
before
he
flew
into
space.
um!
and
another
house
that
might
be
on.
The
tour
is
a
house
that
the
landmarks
board.
well,,
I
believe
historic,
boulder.
A
Abby
daniels:
submitted
the
landmark
application,
and
then
that
landmark
support
supported
it..
It
started
out
over
the
owners
objection,,
but
was
fully
supported
by
the
owner..
By
the
time
the
designation
got
to
city
council,,
and
it's
the
liberal
house,
that
is,
at
eight,,
nineteen
sixth
street,
that
was
designed
in
one
thousand
nine
hundred
and
fifty-four
hoby.
wagner,
has
a
wonderful,
butterfly
roof,
and
it
got
saved
had
a
wonderful
addition
put
onto
it
as
fabulous
view.
A
Abby
daniels:
from
the
backyard
of
the
flat
ours.,
so
it's
going
to
kind
of
be
in
that
neighborhood
west
of
ninth
street,
and
more
like
between
aurora
and
that
area
to
baseline..
So
that
gives
you
just
a
little
bit
of
an
idea
of
where
the
neighborhood
is.
but
um,,
you
know
it's.
It's
focus
is
educating
people
on
architecture
and
different
things.
um!.
A
Abby
daniels:
about
preservation.,
that
that
is
something
I
think.
A
Abby
daniels:,
if
no
one
wants
to
bring
anything
up,,
I
think,.
We
can
adjourn
the
meeting
at
nine
thirty.
one
pm:.