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B
The
next
is
public
comment
for
items
not
identified
for
public
hearing.
There
aren't
any
items
for
public
hearings.
So
if
anyone
wants
to
speak
on
any
issue
now's
the
time
to
do
so
and
Lia
tells
me
no
one
has
signed
up.
Okay,
then,
then,
we'll
close
public
comment
and
Dan
move
to
matters
from
the
department.
C
Sewer
line
projects
so
they're
in
the
works
that
that
involves
the
Morrison
peatlands
and
as
well
Brandon
will
provide
us
with
a
quick
update.
We
were
in
the
process
and
where
we're
going
over
the
next
three
or
four
months
in
terms
of
the
South
Boulder
Creek
flood
mitigation
project,
so
there'll
be
a
one
slide
and
a
brief
update
on
where
we're.
At
with
that.
D
A
D
D
The
good
news
is
that
the
majority
of
the
system
is
is
has
plenty
of
capacity
and
the
thing
that
that
causes
capacity
issues
our
wet
weather
flows
when
we
say
wet
weather
flows.
It
refers
to
a
large
volume
of
diluted
wastewater
flow.
That's
conveyed
in
the
collection
system,
from
the
impact
of
what
we
call
rainfall
to
the
derived
inflow
and
infiltration,
so
rainwater
that
gets
in
to
the
waste
water
collection
system,
the
sanitary
sewer
through
cracks
and
openings,
that's
unintentional.
D
So
we
don't
have
a
combined
sewer
system,
but
stormwater
does
unintentionally
get
in
the
system
and
it
causes
capacity
issues.
One
of
those
capacity
issues
look
like
and
why
are
they
important?
Well?
Here
are
two
very
visual
examples
of
what
a
capacity
issue
looks
like,
so
this
is
called
a
manhole
surcharge
when
the
collection
system
isn't
adequately
adequately
sized
for
the
flow
wastewater
backs
up
out
of
the
the
covers
of
manholes.
D
Another
issue
in
the
system
is
that
many
parts
of
the
system
are
over
50
years
old,
especially
the
large
parts
of
the
system
that
were
installed
a
long
time
ago.
Our
concrete
pipe.
This
image
is
of
a
concrete
pipe,
and
the
interesting
thing
is,
it
looks
like
a
corrugated
steel
pipe,
but
when
this
was
installed,
it
would
have
been
very
smooth.
What's
happened
over
time
is
that
the
harsh
wastewater
environment
has
corroded
the
concrete
away
so
that
the
rebar
in
that
pipe
is
exposed.
D
The
the
2016
master
plan
identified
four
of
the
highest
priorities
in
the
system,
and
these
are
here
from
bottom
to
top
the
baseline
and
foothills
project,
the
Arapaho
trunk,
sewer
replacement
project,
the
goose
creek
trunk,
sewer
replacement
rehabilitation
project
and
the
main
interceptor
realignment
project.
All
these
need
to
be
up
sized,
at
least
to
increase
wet-weather
capacity,
and
two
of
these,
as
I
mentioned,
will
impact
open
space
lands.
This
is
a
list
of
those
projects.
D
D
The
Burke
one
property
and
Oliver
property
have
many
resources
that
have
been
identified
through
collaboration
through
investigation
on
the
of
utilities,
consultants
and
also
collaboration
with
OS
MP
staff.
So
both
properties
are
along
the
South
Boulder
Creek
floodplain,
their
irrigated
pasture
that
serve
as
habitat
for
proto,
pebbles,
meadow
jumping
mouse
and
you,
ladies
tresses
orchid,
which
has
been
documented
on
the
Berk
one
property
and
the
Berk
two
property.
There's
also
a
Howard,
ditch
crossing.
D
This
slide
is
shows
several
examples
of
how
collaboration
between
utilities,
staff
and
open
space
staff
have
resulted
in
a
proposed
alignment
that
minimizes
impacts
on
these
open
space
properties,
and
so
I
wanted
to
tell
this
story
by
by
looking
at
three
examples.
One
is
in
red,
one
is
in
orange,
and
I
can
use
my
if
you
can
see
my
pointer
here.
This
is
the
red
line.
The
orange
is
right
here
and
then
there's
a
burgundy
line
up
here
and
so
I'll
start
with
the
red
line.
D
D
There
are
several
utility
conflicts,
there's
a
power
line
at
the
South,
the
existing
wastewater
trunk
sewer,
there's
a
water
line,
24
inch
transmission
line
in
there
and
there's
a
16
inch
main
for
natural
gas
and
so
being
in
the
road
means
being
in
the
middle
of
the
road
which
would
result
in
in
about
a
month
long
closure
of
Baseline
Road.
After
discussions
with
open
space
staff,
we
together
met
with
Boulder
County
and
the
transportation
engineer.
D
This
north/south
portion
alignment
is
needed
to
chase
grade,
in
other
words,
for
the
elevations
to
match
up
taking,
to
connect
to
the
to
the
existing
sewer.
Originally,
that
was
proposed
on
the
west
side
of
Howard,
ditch
crossing
Howard,
ditch
and
connecting
to
the
existing
interceptor.
That's
just
a
shorter
run
and
and
less
complex
from
ditch
crossing
standpoint
and
and
what
we
learned
after
doing
wetland
mapping
is
that
there
are
significant
wetlands
in
the
area.
The
Howard
ditch
crossing
is
not
ideal.
D
It's
a
state,
historic,
ditch
and,
and
so
what
we
proposed
was
basically
going
on
the
other
side
of
the
existing
interceptor
and
the
Howard
ditch
and
so
we'll
be
on
the
east
side
of
both
the
additional
benefit
that
has
is
that
we
won't
have
to
get.
We
won't
be
requesting
a
disposal
for
this
project
because
the
the
Interceptor
the
new
pipe
will
live
within
our
existing
easement.
D
D
I'll
move
on
to
the
next
project.
Here.
Here's
a
slide
that
is
that
shows
the
main
interceptor
sewer
realignment
on
this
project
will
involve
rehabilitating
2.6
miles
of
the
existing
interceptor,
that's
42
inch
and
then
installing
2.4
miles
of
new
interceptor
that
may
be
up
to
his
largest
66
inch.
That's
a
35
million
dollar
project.
That's
slated
for
22
2022
to
2024
construction.
You
can
see
the
purple
line
is
our
existing
interceptor
sewer
and
its
proximity
to
Boulder.
Creek
is
another
issue,
so
it's
under
capacity.
D
There
are
two
creek
crossings
and
it
goes
through
the
four
chambers,
poor
farm
oo,
SNP
property
and
a
private
property,
and
so
for
for
many
reasons
we
did
not
select
that
one,
and
so
an
alignment
was
proposed
along
the
RTD
corridor
and
it
was
the
one
that
ended
up.
Getting
proposed
was
a
hybrid
that
spent
some
time
on
the
RTD
right-of-way
and
then
some
time
on
some
Colorado
Parks
and
Wildlife
trails
that
are
managed
by
open
space
mountain
parks.
D
Then
the
third
one
was
at
the
South
the
Valmont
alignment,
which
would
involve
a
very
long
closure
of
Valmont
Road
and
would
be
monumentally
expensive.
So
when,
when
we
proposed
this
to
the
county,
one
of
the
things
they
said
is
okay,
you
can
you
know
we.
We
can
approve
this
on
a
few
conditions.
A
couple
important
things
happen:
they
they
wanted
us
to
abandon
the
section
of
the
existing
interception
interceptor
that
we
were
no
longer
using.
That
was
problematic
because
there
are
some
flows
coming
in
from
the
north
that
you
can
see
in
our.
D
This
is
our
asset
management
tool
here.
This
is
the
four
mile
trunk
sewer
call
it
and
it
carries
about
ten
percent
of
the
city's
flow,
and
so
that
was
pretty
significant.
The
other
thing
that
happened
is
that
we
weren't
able
to
get
agreement
from
RTD
on
a
parallel
alignment
within
there
right
away.
They
say:
they're
gonna
put
two
tracks
there
and
we
have
no
way
to
contest
that
it's
their
land,
so
we
proposed
now
a
perpendicular
crossing
of
the
RTD
right
away
that
sent
us
into
a
comprehensive
alternatives.
Analysis.
One
of
the
issues.
D
What
we
wanted
to
address
is
how
do
we
get
that
four
mile
trunk
sewer
flow
into
the
system
with
a
southern
alignment?
So
there
are
many
many
nodes
on
this
map
and
we
basically
selected
nodes
based
on
property,
different
properties,
different
alignments
and
we
combine
the
nodes
into
different
alternatives.
This
comprehensive
alternatives,
analysis
was
shared
with
you
in
detail,
I'd
be
happy
to
talk
through
it
at
more
length
at
a
separate
occasion,
but
suffice
it
to
say
that,
through
collaboration
with
open
space
staff,
we
landed
on
and
an
alternative.
D
D
An
important
part
of
this-
is
that
we'd
keep
a
portion
of
the
interesting
Interceptor
sewer.
Not
only
would
we
keep
it
from
61st
up
to
the
plant,
we
also
find
benefit
in
keeping
the
rest
of
it
basically
down
to
Valmont,
which
provides
us
with
a
future
opportunity
for
redundancy
that
we've
never
had
on
this
critical
line.
D
One
thing
I'd
like
to
point
out
on
this
slide
is
this
property
here,
so
you
can
see.
The
property
line
is
that
this
is
the
Sahil
ponds
SWA
all
along
here,
and
you
can
see
the
alignment
within
it.
Here's
a
different
map
of
the
Sahil
ponds
area.
This
is
from
osp's
website
and
it
shows
the
trails
and
Sawhill
ponds
and
then
shows
the
trails
and
Walden
ponds.
The
county
open
space
area
that
area
is
accessed
in
two
ways.
D
D
There
are
five
hundred
feet
of
the
proposed
alignment
that
are
probables
meadow
jumping
mouse
habitat,
there's
an
osprey
nest
so
so
resulting
seasonal,
rapture,
closure,
raptor
closures,
and
there
are
recreational
trails.
Finally,
there
ditch
crossings,
Butte,
Mill,
ditch
and
green.
Ditch
are
are
in
that
area,
and
so
there'll
be
some
coordination
from
staff
there.
D
So
I
wanted
to
take
a
moment
to
talk
about
how
the
resources
in
that
area
will
be
protected,
and
there
are
a
few
regulatory
bodies
in
place
and
processes
in
place
that
will
protect
the
area.
The
first
is
is
not
a
hard
regulatory
one,
and
it's
just
interdepartmental
collaboration
between
utilities
and
open
space
will
continue
that
it's
been
meaningful
in
the
past,
and
we
have
hopes
that
it'll
continue
to
be
a
good
way
to
minimize
impacts
on
lands
and
still
allow
for
utility
priorities.
D
City
wetland
regulations,
including
remediate
remediation
requirements,
are
expected,
even
though
this
is
not
in
the
city,
we
will
still
go
through
the
city
of
boulders
wetland.
A
permitting
process
also
be
a
stormwater
management
plan,
which
defines
things
like
how
construction
impacts
will
be
limited
to
the
construction
area,
how
water
quality
in
the
ponds
we'll
be
preserved,
that
kind
of
thing
and
then
like
the
Carver
like
pipeline
project,
that
is
proceeding
with
construction
right
now.
We
expect
many
conditions
of
approval.
That
project
has
34
condition
conditions
of
approval
that
addressed
resource
issues,
ecological,
cultural,
hydrologic.
D
It
also
because-
and-
and
this
is
another
similarity
between
the
Carter
Lake
pipeline
project
and
the
main
interceptor
sewer
replacement
project
is-
is
that
the
county,
open
space
is,
is
also
impacted,
and
so
the
county
will
likely
extend
requirements
that
they
have
for
their
own
open
space
into
the
opens.
The
the
property
that's
managed
by
a
city
open
space.
E
D
And
I
think
a
good
way
to
explain
that
will
be
go
back,
would
be
to
go
back
to
this
figure,
and
so
the
black
line
is
the
proposed
alignment.
I'll
point
out
here:
here's
the
oliver
property,
here's,
the
property
line,
howard
ditches
right
here,
there's
an
access
to
that
property.
That's
not
shown
here,
it's
a
driveway
to
the
old
house
that
was
there,
and
so
this
would
be
an
open
cut
installation
of
a
24
inch
sewer
line.
It
will
be
sort
of
intensified
construction.
D
D
The
construct
the
excavation
impacts
would
be
minimized.
There's
also
a
draft
memorandum
of
understanding
that
would
require
our
contractor
to
do.
You
know
extensive
remediation
following
construction
things
like
managing
the
topsoil
separately
and
putting
it
back
and
and
doing
you
know
careful
reseeding
john.
Would
you
like
to
speak
to
this
to.
F
Auto
resource
and
stewardship
manager
and
David
just
mentioned
that
staff
have
worked
very
closely
on
first
eye.
Locating
this
in
an
area
with
with
much
lower
resource
value
than
where
it
was
originally
planned.
We
feel,
like
utility
staff,
has
been
very
very
closely
with
us
to
mitigate
all
of
staff's
concerns
on
resource
impacts
here
on
this
property,
and
so
we're
fully
supportive
of
this.
This
layout.
D
F
Yeah
there
there
used
to
be
a
residence
to
the
east,
and
so
that's
why
there's
probably
less
value
in
this
area
from
a
resource
standpoint,
it's
been
restored
in
the
process
of
being
restored,
but
the
area
right
along
the
ditch
on
this
on
the
east
side
of
the
ditch
is
not
as
big
a
concern
as
where
it
was
located
on
the
west
side.
So,
thank
you
so
the.
B
D
And
so
the
the
MOU
in
in
this
area
describes
a
50-foot
sort
of
temporary
access.
Well,
we'd
usually
call
a
temporary
easement,
although
when
we
both
own
and
are
requesting
an
easement
on
the
land,
it's
not
an
easement.
It's
just
you
know
an
MOU
and
so
50
feet
here
on
the
other
project.
It
is
a
much
bigger
pipe
and
so
we're
requesting
a
hundred
feet
and
from
CP
on
the
CPW
property
requesting
100
feet
of
temporary
and
50
feet
of
permanent
easement.
B
Those
two
figures
represent
the
area
that
will
literally
be
dug
up,
or
did
some
of
that
include
where
the
equipment
might
go,
and
so
that
isn't
a
breeze.
The
equipment
has
impacts,
but
or
is
some
of
that,
the
equipment
goes
there,
and
then
you
dig
up
a
smaller
area
to
actually
drop
the
pipe
in
the
ground.
That's.
D
Exactly
right,
so
the
the
actual
excavation
is
a
very
small
portion
of
both
of
those
figures,
especially
in
this
case,
where
we're
doing
the
engineered
shoring,
the
the
actual
excavation
will
only
be
about
six
feet
in
width,
but
the
50
feet
includes
you
know
driving
it
includes.
You
know
where
we
want
to
put
the
topsoil,
for
example,
where
we
lay
the
pipe
as
it
gets
installed.
Things
like
that
and.
B
D
So
this
is
OSP
fee
property,
where
utilities
had
an
easement
before
OSP
bought
it,
and
so
that
25-foot
easement
is
is,
is
there
and
if
we
needed,
if
we
needed
to
put
a
pipe
outside
of
our
existing
easement,
that
would
likely
be
a
disposal
and
we'd
be
having
a
different
conversation
with
the
board
on.
In
the
other
case,
on
the
CPW
owned
property.
The
proposal
is
to
to
do
a
separate
lease
to
the
one
that
that
is,
aren't
that
CPW
already
has
with
the
city
of
Boulder.
D
B
I
I
think
the
disposal
questions
are
probably
different.
The
judgment
on
the
baseline
on
the
that
portion
of
the
baseline
project
is
that,
because
the
construction
activity
is
temporary,
there's
no
need
to
dispose
of
the
land,
even
though
it's
outside
of
the
utilities
current
easement.
That
is
essentially
the
view,
is
that
if
there's
a
temporary
construction
activity
on
open
space
land,
there's
not
reviewing
that
that's
not
a
disposal
situation,
that's
a
temporary
sort
of
non-exclusive
license
yeah.
F
D
Of
course,
our
maintenance
crews
like
to
be
able
to
see
the
manholes
and
in
annex
you
know,
in
certain
cases
we're
willing
to
make
exceptions
to
that
and
and
that
we've
already
agreed
to
do
that
with
CPW
and
this
property.
The
same
could
be
true,
although
it's
not
a
gravel
pathway,
and
so,
if
we're
planting
grass,
it
would
be
very
hard
to
plant
grass
over
a
manhole
lid.
So
the
expectation
would
be
for
the
manhole
lids
to
be
visible
on
the
surface,
but
you
can
see
that
there's.
D
B
Okay,
the
second
half
my
question
on
the
disposal
on
the
interceptor
in
the
Sahil
area:
that's
land
that
the
land
that
you're
focusing
on
it's
land,
that's
owned
by
the
state
currently
managed
by
the
city,
and
for
that
there's
no
easement-
that
the
Utilities
Department
can
sort
of
piggyback
off
of
you're,
making
the
judgment
that
it's
not
a
disposal
because
we
manage
the
property
but
don't
own
it.
The.
F
B
All
right,
so
the
the
point
would
be
the
distance
just
sort
of
thinking
through
the
distinction
between
that
and
Long's
garden,
which
we
wouldn't
own
either.
Is
that
the
conservation
easements
that
we
have
on
lots
of
properties
are
paid
for
with
open
space
dollars
correct
they
usually
are
sometimes
they're
free,
but
they're
usually
pay
for
with
open
space
dollars.
Or
is
this
where
you
think
you're
sitting
that
it's
not
open
space
lands
and
the
meaning
of
the
Charter,
because
we
just
manage
it
right,
I
believe.
A
D
There
there
are
very
compatible
uses
of
land
in
my
opinion,
and
so
you,
you
might
imagine
that
the
trail
being
gravel
and
so
construction
would
would
basically
remove
the
trail
install
the
pipe
put
the
trail
back.
In
this
case.
You
wouldn't
even
be
able
to
find
the
manholes
we'll
be
able
to
find
them,
of
course,
right
with
metal
detectors
and
and
GPS.
But
recreational
users
of
the
trail
won't
be
able
to
identify
that
there's
a
sewer
underneath
the
trail
so.
D
Easement
the
reason
for
a
permanent
easement
is
that
it
gives
us
access
in
perpetuity
to
the
surface
from
the
surface,
and
so
if
we
need,
for
example,
if
the
system
surcharges
or
for
preventative
maintenance
to
prevent
the
system
from
surcharging,
for
example,
occasionally
we
access
those
men,
health
manholes,
we're
talking
once
twice
a
year
on
a
line
like
this.
Maybe
not
even
that,
and
so
it's
it's
infrequent
access.
G
D
The
land
properties-
let's
just
be
clear,
so
Burke
to
was
on
the
original
design.
The
current
proposed
design
does
not
have
any
impacts
on
Burke,
okay,
the
impact
on
Burke
one
is
this
little
section
of
pipe
right
here
at
the
very
bottom
that
connects
the
the
new
pipe
that'll,
be
within
baseline
road
to
the
existing
pipe
that
runs
through
the
Burke
one
property.
F
D
On
the
Oliver
property,
Oliver
property
was
acquired
in
2017
at
the
time
of
acquisition.
There
was
a
house
there,
and
so,
as
you
were,
driving
along
baseline
road
and
headed
eastbound
on
the
left,
you
know
beautiful
pasture
Burke
to
property,
howard,
ditch
oliver
property,
it
was
a
residence
and
very
recently
it
became
open
space
land,
and
so
this
is,
I
think,
one
of
the
reasons
why
it's
considered
not
to
have
as
high
of
ecological
value.
D
It
also
has
a
driveway
and
that
that
driveway
is
is
used
by
the
the
lease
the
person
who
the
entity
leases
the
land
and
open
space
staff.
I
won't
claim
to
know
much
about
that,
and
so
I
mean
I
get
far
out
of
my
very
good
call
right,
yep.
D
G
D
So
if
you
can
picture
in
your
mind's
eye
being
along
baseline
road,
looking
east,
the
Howard
ditch
crosses
under
you
and
then
proceeds
along
the
the
northern
part
of
the
ride
away,
and
then
heads
north
through
the
property
on
the
left
of
the
ditch
its
wetland,
and
you
can
see
it's
very
green
on
the
right
of
the
ditch.
The
property
goes
up.
It's
upland,
so
not
wetlands,
a
little
farther
in
there's
still
some
remnants
of
the
old
residence
that
was
there
there's
an
existing
driveway.
D
That
driveway
is,
is
the
the
only
way
onto
the
property
currently
from
baseline
road.
So
we
imagine
that
our
contractor
will
use
that
driveway
so
to
your
point
that
that
existing
driveway
will
be
used
for
construction,
so
the
transportation
impacts
that
would
be
realized,
xyx
accessing
into
a
different
part
of
the
property.
Where
there's
not
already
an
access
point.
F
G
D
So
many
there
are
many
residents
who
tell
you
a
story
about
their
own
house
and
how
there
was
a
health
issue
inside
of
it.
There
are
ways
to
prevent
that
from
happening
with
the
reality
is
that
it
will
always
happen
if
it
rains
enough.
So
what
we've
done
is
we've
identified
a
level
of
service
that
we're
going
to
bring
our
infrastructure
up
to
it's
pretty
ambitious.
D
So
it's
already
the
first
rebar
cage
and
that
pipe
is
already
gone
so
that
pipe
is
going
to
fail
when
it
fails,
there's
going
to
be,
you
know
the
flow
in
that
pipe
on
a
normal
day.
Average
flow
is
approximately
10
million,
gallons,
and
so
one
day
would
be
10
million
gallons
into
Boulder.
Creek
of
of
raw
sewage
that
would
have
catastrophic
impacts
not
only
on
the
ecology
of
Boulder
Creek,
but
downstream
users
ditches
the
town
of
Lafayette.
D
You
know
South
Platte
River,
so
that
all
those
cities
that
pull
off
the
South
Platte
it
would
be
a
huge
deal.
We
want
to
get
in
front
of
that
and
we're
committed
to
getting
in
front
of
that
we're
moving
through
the
process.
It's
you
know.
Obviously,
these
types
of
projects
take
a
long
time,
but
working
with
open
space.
It's
nice
to
have
done
this
collaboration
before
the
submittal
goes
back
into
the
county,
and
so
you
know
if
we
were
to
select
our
top
alternative
without
speaking
to
open
space.
D
It
probably
would
have
resulted
in
a
conversation
later
on
about
a
disposal
on
the
poor
farm
for
chambers
property
that
has
very
high
historic
value,
that
it
would
be
very
difficult
and
the
process
would
draw
it
even
longer
right.
So
what
we
think
we
have
is
an
alignment
that'll
work
for
everyone,
there's
a
compromise
on
both
sides
and
but
it'll
address
or
really
high
priority
in
the
system,
so
hopefully
I
didn't
get
too
grim
there.
Thank
you
sure,
just.
A
D
There
are
a
few
ways
to
do
that
and
I
can
talk
for
a
long
time
about
the
pros
and
cons
of
each
way,
but
the
reality
is
that
all
those
techniques
involve
some
surface
impacts,
and
so
we've
tried
to
describe
those
and
as
much
details
we
thought
was
appropriate
without
having
any
final
decisions
or
final
design
in
attachment
D.
That
shows
that
alignment
and
shows
areas
where
there
will
be
surface
disturbance.
D
Surface
disturbance
might
look
at
you
know
best-case
scenario:
it'll
be
an
HDPE
plastic
pipe
sitting
on
the
surface
that
needs
to
get
install
installed
to
carry
the
existing
flows
worst
case.
We
have
to
pop
the
top
off
of
a
manhole
to
fit
plastic
pipe
into
it
and
excavate
do
a
long,
narrow
excavation
on
one
end
of
it,
so
that
we
can
fit
this
pipe
into
it.
So
that's
a
technique
called
slip,
lining
and
then
cured.
D
A
Just
have
one
other
question,
and
it
has
to
do
with
something
that
you
said
early
on
and
my
recollection
of
in
the
1900s
of
combined
sewer
overflows
and
all
the
national
efforts
around
that.
You
said
that
we
do
not
have
combined
sewer
overflow,
that's,
but
we
do
have
flows
into
the
sewers
from
outside
because
of
cracks.
Do
I.
Have
that
right?
You.
D
Have
that
right?
So
so
we
described
that
as
inflow
and
infiltration,
so
the
cracks,
for
example,
would
be
infiltration,
so
after
September
2013
flood
the
day
after
in
the
week
after
we
had
a
really
big
spike
of
flow,
and
these
flows
were
coming
in
from
people's
basements.
They
were
coming
in
from
manholes
that
were
surcharged.
They
were
coming
in
from
illicit
connections
to
the
system
over
2014-2015.
Our
wastewater
flows
stayed
high.
D
A
D
B
D
So
those
illicit
connections
that
I
mentioned
that
happens,
sometimes
people
sump
pumps,
storm
drain
in
the
older
parts
of
town,
it's
hard
to
identify
and
so
our
closed
caption
TV.
You
know.
Sometimes
we
can
identify
a
lateral
where
some
of
that's
coming
in
where
it's
obviously
not
wage
waste
water
coming
in.
We
can
turn
a
property's
water
off
and
it
still
comes
in
and
so
those
those
issues
are
really
difficult
to
chase
down,
but
we're
making
slow
progress
and
correcting
issues
as
we
as
we
find
them,
but.
D
Correct
and,
and
if
you
see
a
storm
Inlet
often
there's
keep
it
clean
partnership
logo
that
says
this
drains
two
creeks
right
and
so
those
that's
our
stormwater
system.
That's
separate
there.
There
are
some
large
municipalities
in
the
country,
older
ones
and
typically
that
have
combined
sewers.
Chattanooga
is
dealing
with
the
big
issue.
Kansas
City
has
a
huge
issue
Seattle.
D
You
know
many
many
communities
that
are
on
on
consent,
decree
from
the
EPA
and
who
are
being
made
to
spend
in
a
crazy
amount
of
money
on
on
those
those
issues
we're
lucky
to
have
had
the
planning
we
did
so.
Our
systems
are
mostly
separate,
with
this
small
caveat
that
we
do
have
some
impacts
from
wet
weather
events
thanks.
Okay,
thank.
C
As
long
as
you
all
are
here
that
we
reduce
some
repetition,
I,
don't
know
how
many
of
you
tuned
in
to
a
presentation
made
last
month,
I
believe
it's
the
City
Council
in
which
utility
staff
provided
a
snapshot
of
what's
going
to
happen
over
the
next
five
months
in
terms
of
South
Boulder
Creek.
When
counsel
will
be
approach
when
boards
will
be
approached
when
the
community
will
be
approached
with
some
with
some
new
information
that
will
be
brought
forward
and
and
in
talking
with
Joe
and
staff,
we
thought
it
might
be
just
good.
C
H
No
problem
Brandon
Coleman
I'm,
an
engineering
project
manager
with
storm
water
and
flood
utility
managing
the
Seoul
South
Boulder
Creek
flood
mitigation
project.
We've
I've
been
here
before
so
it's
nice
to
see
you
guys
again
I'm
here,
to
provide
an
update
on
the
upcoming
process
and
schedule
for
the
South
Boulder
Creek
flood
mitigation
project,
like
Dan,
said
having
cold
here.
H
It
seemed
a
good
time
for
me
to
try
and
get
in
front
of
you
guys,
let
you
know
what's
coming
down
the
pipe
I
presented
in
September
about
some
upcoming
keys
milestones
related
to
the
project
and
just
want
to
outline
the
process,
relate
it
to
those
milestones,
as
we
see
them
coming
up.
So
one
of
the
key
milestones
that
was
coming
up
in
q1
of
2020
was
this
conceptual
design
analysis
report
and
that's
really
what
this
process
is
focused
on
yeah,
so
you
can
go
ahead
and
flip
the
slide.
H
So
you
know
what's
coming
down
the
pipe
and
when
your
inputs
gonna
be
needed
and
who
all
is
going
to
be
giving
input
and
kind
of
make
sure
you
guys
are
aware
of
the
process
as
we
go
so
at
the
council
meeting
in
July
staff
was
directed
to
look
at
modifications
to
South
Boulder
Creek
flood
mitigation
project
as
part
of
the
conceptual
design
analysis.
So
we've
been
working
on
that
and
we're
getting
ready
to
present
the
results
of
that
report.
H
H
So
the
results
of
the
analysis,
our
plan
right
now-
is
to
present
those
to
Council
in
February
at
a
study
session
on
February
25th,
and
that's
that
second
purple
dot
up
there
and
that's
really
when
we'll
release
all
the
results.
The
study
session
format
gives
us
a
good
opportunity
to
talk
to
council,
get
their
feedback
really
get
an
in-depth
dive
on
the
technical
details
of
what
we
found
and
what
we're
looking
for.
H
From
that
point,
we
would
expect
to
go
toe
to
the
board's
and
to
the
public,
so
that
would
include
the
Water
Resources
advisory
board.
The
Planning
Board,
potentially
with
any
land-use
changes
that
we
might
come
up
with
from
the
analysis
and
then
the
open
space
board
as
well.
So
that
would
tentatively
be
the
March
meeting
for
you
guys
is
when
we
would
expect
to
come
here
and
present
those
similar
results
and
really
provide
councils
feedback
and
look
for
your
guys
feedback
on
what
we
found
from
the
conceptual
analysis
as
well.
H
So
the
engagement
period
also
includes
activities
to
inform
the
public
and
I
think
we
would
we're
planning
to
do
some
form
of
open
house.
We
haven't
quite
mapped
that
out,
but
that
would
happen
in
this
March
April
period
and
the
intent
would
be.
We
want
to
compile
all
that
information
and
then
bring
that
back
to
Council
in
May,
so
the
board's
feedback,
the
public
feedback
and
really
get
direction
on
how
we're
gonna
proceed
with
this
project
from
Council
in
May.
So
this
is
the
same
slide.
H
B
This
is
a
combined
question
and
comment,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
March
presentation
to
this
board
will
include
the
upstream
issue,
which
is
sort
of
different
from
I.
Think
some
of
the
conceptual
designs
that
you're,
probably
talking
about,
which
are
probably
refinements
to
Varian
one
and
where
that's
going,
because
this
board
in
our
feedback
to
council,
had
expressed
considerable
interest
in
a
deeper
dive
on
was
sort
of
with
the
upstream
issues
and
I
think
it
would
be
very
helpful
for
to
here
in
a
sort
of
a
consolidated
presentation.
B
Proceeding.
I
say
that
so
that
there's
no
misunderstanding
about
because
I
think
there's
been
a
lot
of
interest
on
well.
Where
is
the
board
going
on
the
upstream
issue
and
it's
my
suggestion
that
we
use
the
March
meeting
as
a
way
of
fully
educating
the
board
and
seeing
what
we
can
do
in
the
way
of
coming
to
some
resolution
on
where
we
are
on
that
issue.
Tell.
C
Them
if
I
may,
because
I've
had
some
direct
one-on-one
conversations
with
Joe
Teti
ochi
the
director
now
not
the
interim
director
of
utilities
in
regards
to
that,
and
so
there
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
from
utility
staff
perspective,
but
in
March
I
believe
utility
staff
will
certainly
be
offering
their
opinion
on
on
the
upstream
solution
in
regards
to
any
solutions
that
they've
looked
at,
that
could
eliminate
the
need
for
the
36
flood
wall
and
which
is
part
of
the
feedback.
But
my
understanding
as
well
as
that.
C
Currently
there
isn't
any
new
money
or
time
that's
being
spent
at
the
consultant
level
to
do
further
investigations
of
an
upstream
right
now.
The
council
has
pretty
much
limited
the
direction
to
the
staff
in
terms
of
what
to
spend
time
and
money
on,
and
that
is
within
the
variant
one
option,
and
so
that's
all
the
work
that's
been
going
on.
So
when
staff
with
utility
staff
would
come
back
to
us
in
March,
they
would
be
able
to
provide
a
synopsis
and
putting
all
that
together
of
work.
C
That's
already
been
done
in
terms
of
upstream,
but
you're
unlikely
to
see
any
new
work
that
might
be
coming
out
of
the
consultant
as
within
the
upstream,
because
really
this
staff
has
not
had
council
direction
to
go
and
look
at
that
and
I.
Don't
know
if
I'm
summarizing
that
in
their
way,
but
I
think
that's
my
understanding
and
having
conversations
with
Joe.
So
certainly
we
can
have
a
conversation.
Staff
I
think
would
be
willing
to
offer
their
professional
opinion
about
they've.
C
B
Appreciate,
that's
helpful
I
think
for
all
of
us
to
hear
that
clarification
so
that
expectations
are
aligned
with
what's
actually
going
on.
Maybe
this
was
clear,
but
just
in
case
it
wasn't
there's
great.
Even
if
there's
no
new
analysis,
I
think
this
board
needs
to
hear
in
a
sort
of
consolidated
way.
What
hat?
What
analyses
have
been
done?
And
you
know
what
were
the
basis
for
the
various
conclusions
that
you
all
reached
and
so
that
at
least
we
have
a
complete
understanding
of
the
current
state
of
play
on
that
I
guess.
B
One
question
is:
if
nothing
new
is
being
done,
does
it
still
make
sense
to
wait
until
March
or
are
we
better
off
if
there
are?
In
other
words,
if
the
presentation
isn't
going
to
change
from,
you
know
tomorrow
through
March,
because
it's
all
material,
that's
already
been
pulled
together
and
I,
throw
that
out
I
just
what
I
you
know
to
be
completely
transparent
about
this.
B
What
I
want
to
avoid
as
a
situation
where,
after
the
presentation,
one
or
many
members
of
this
board
say
gee,
we
need
a
deeper
dive
on
the
following
aspect
of
the
upstream
and
others
say
well,
knowing
that
we
kind
of
wish
we
hadn't
lost
the
last
two
or
three
months,
we
would
have
been
perhaps
working
on
that
or
maybe
he
goes
to
Council.
If
you
feel
you
need
authorization
to
dive
into
whatever
it
is
it's
getting
a
little
hypothetical
here,
but
that's
what
I
want
to
avoid
is.
B
H
Would
just
say
that
in
March
we
want
to
put
it
all
in
context.
So
if
that's
something
you
guys
specifically
would
like
to
see
and
March
I
think
it's
important
that
we
have
it
in
context
with
the
analysis
we're
doing
now
as
well
and
that's
kind
of
the
point
of
waiting
for
February,
because
there's
obviously
a
couple
new
council
members
as
well,
so
we're
gonna
have
to
review
kind
of
the
history
of
this
project.
So
that's
what
we're
working
on
now
is
compiling
that
history
with
the
new
analysis.
B
One
of
the
things
we
had
asked
for
was
I
think
this
was
Karen's
motion
was
a
I
think
it
she
called
it
a
side-by-side,
but
the
basic
idea
was
a
Chuck,
a
direct
juxtaposition
of
here's.
What
an
upstream
alternative
would
look
with
respect
to
identify
criteria
or
metrics
and
here's
what
variant
one
would
look
like
with
respect
to
those
same
metrics.
You
can
sort
of
do
a
direct
comparison.
B
So
if
it's
just
given
the
state
of
development
of
variant
1,
if
the
right
time
to
do
that
is
March,
that's
fine!
If
it's,
you
know,
if
you
already
know
the
answers
on
the
upstream
side,
maybe
Sooners
better,
but
it
is
your
right
that
we
do
want
to.
We
don't
want
to
just
look
at
upstream
in
isolation,
but
rather
and
just
opposing
it
against
variant.
1,
mm-hmm.
G
Everyone
comment
on
that.
I,
unfortunately
missed
the
extended
meeting
on
the
topic,
but
did
want
to
be
clear
for
me.
I
more
information
on
upstream
is
wonderful.
I
personally
am
really
focused
on
more
detail
on
what
the
exact
wetland
mitigation
proposal
looks
like
who's
going
to
pay
for
it,
what
the
cost
estimates
are
and
what
the
trade-offs
related
to
this
flood
wall
in
terms
of
wetlands
really
actually
look
like,
because
in
my
experience
it
wouldn't
be
the
first
time
that
wetlands
were
lost
and
then
forgotten
to
be
replaced
right.
H
And-
and
we
also
heard
from
Council
about
getting
meeting
with
permitting
agencies
up
front
and
trying
to
get
their
input
as
soon
as
possible,
and
the
Army
Corps,
which
regulates
wetlands
from
the
federal
level,
is
one
of
those
agencies,
and
also
the
city,
has
a
very
strict
wetland
ordinance
as
well
that
we
would
have
to
meet
those
requirements.
So
I
think
there's
some
hopefully
there's
some
comfort
and
that
there
are
federal
regulations
that
we
would
have
to
meet
and
there
are
penalties.
If
you
don't
meet
those
requirements.
Yeah.
G
E
In
brandon
I
I
want
to
I
think
reintegrate
when
Tom
said
I'm
a
little
concerned.
It
strikes
me
that
there
may
be
a
little
confusion
or
uncertainty
about
the
board.
This
board's
role
in
the
whole
decision-making
process
and
I
I
would
agree
wholeheartedly
with
Tom's
recommendation
that
it,
the
sooner
we
can
kind
of
get
that
conversation
out
there.
E
H
H
E
E
C
I
believe
more
feedback
will
be
generated
at
March
and
if
this
board
wants
to
repeat
or
and
I
imagine
that
feedback
will
be
compiled
with
pass
feedback
to
provide
to
Council
again
so
in
May,
you
know
you
all
may
have
more
direct
questions
or
feedback
or
recommendations
depending
on
what
form
you're
looking
for
the
council
in
May,
but
from
just
sitting
at
a
staff
capacity
level.
You
know
you
know,
council
has
provided
parameters
to
where,
where
to
spend
the
money
and
resources
right
now
for
for
the
utility
staff.
C
So
again,
you
know
I
want
to
be
transparent
about
the
fact
that
that
money
is
and
that
resources
is
being
spent
on
beer
and
wine
analysis
right
now,
because
there's
a
timeline
associated
with
that
and
understanding
what
you're
saying,
Tom
and
Dave
and
Kevin
about
whining.
You
know
to
have
that
conversation
about
upstream,
but
I
also
just
wanted
temper
expectations
that
there
isn't
going
to
be.
C
B
I
appreciate
the
clerk
appreciate
what
you're
saying,
and
so
you
can
follow
along
that
line
and
maybe
sort
of
cut
to
the
chase
a
bit
here.
I
mean
the
staff
feel
that
it's
existing
analysis
and
information
on
the
upstream
alternatives
is
sufficient
to
answer
the
sort
of
the
question
or
the
the
way
we
framed
the
issue
in
our
motion,
because,
obviously,
if
the
answer
to
that
question,
the
answers
question
I
just
posed
does
no,
then
we
do
need
to
sort
of
have
a
discussion.
Cuz
I,
don't
want
to
engage
in
a
fruitless
exercise.
B
If
we
already
know
that
what
we
hear
in
March
is
going
to
be
insufficient,
then
we
ought
to
do
something
so
that
we're
not
faced
with
that
situation.
Three
months
from
now,
if
you're
feeling
is
oh
yeah,
you
have
enough
to
do
the
analysis
to
answer
the
question.
The
way
we
framed
the
issue.
Okay,
that's
that's
different
by
well.
I.
Do
sort
of
want
to
directly
pose
that
question,
so
there's
no
kind
of
misunderstanding
about
what
we'll
be
seeing
in
March
right.
H
And
I
think
the
concepts
that
have
been
evaluated
to
date.
We
could
do
that
analysis,
but
with
the
new
concepts
that
we're
working
on
now
I
think
it's
really
important.
You
see
those
side-by-side
to
the
new
concepts
as
well,
because
that's
kind
of
the
direction
we've
gone
down
so
rather
than
looking
at
it
in
the
past
I
think
we
should
really
look
at
it
with
all
the
options
on
the
table
as
we
understand
them,
and
that
would
be
in
February
when
we
really
have
that
clear
understanding
and.
C
B
C
B
The
flipside
would
be
if
you
look
again
at
what
the
statement
was
from
this
board
and
conclude
gee.
We
really
haven't
looked
at
the
upstream
alternatives
in
sufficient
depth
to
answer
some
of
those
questions
we
ought
to
then
have
that
I
don't
know
have
that
discussion
about
well,
okay.
What
are
we
doing,
then.
B
Is
that
meaning
we
need
to
make
a
statement
to
Council
that
we
would
request
additional
funds
be
authorized
so
that
you
could
be
in
a
position
to
answer
our
question
or
there
may
be
other
alternatives,
but
I
don't
want
to
just
wait
till
March
to
learn
that.
Oh,
we
really
don't
know
the
answers
to
the
questions
that
the
board
posed,
because
we
haven't
been
looking
at
that.
If
that's
the
situation,
then,
let's
tackle
it
now
and
figure
out
the
path
ahead,
so
we're
all
yeah.
A
A
That
council
is
asking
us
or
recommendations
that
council
is
asking
us
to
make,
and
if
we
don't
get
that
in
for
nation,
then
we're
going
to
be
at
a
point
a
few
more
months
down
the
line
and
we're
going
to
throw
up
our
hands
and
say
we
can't
answer
that,
because
the
information
we
asked
for
in
September
still
hasn't
been
provided
so
I
think
the
requests
of
getting
that
information
sooner
rather
than
later
is
very
important.
I
was
expecting
a
little
bit
more
than
this
schedule.
Tonight.
A
Os,
my
personal
opinion
is
that
OS
BT
keeps
getting
squeezed
and
that
started
happening
in
June
July
when
City
Council
said
Oh
problem
with
C
dot.
It's
okay,
we'll
build
the
whole
thing
on
open
space
lands,
except
for
what
we
can
negotiate
to
put
back
on
C
dot
land,
and
that
requires
a
whole
set
of
decisions
on
the
part
of
OS
BT
that
we
cannot
answer.
C
Take
out
the
last
year,
where
we
thought
we
would
come
to
you
next
would
be
as
we
started,
to
get
towards
a
30%
design
of
the
variant
we're
not
there
yet
I
believe
your
utility
staff
is
going
to
be
asking
in
May.
As
do
we
can
we
proceed
with
getting
to
that
30%
design
and
that's
when
we'll
start
to
know
more
specifically
about
the
route.
C
Is
that
green
light
to
go
and
proceed
to
that
30%?
A
my
you
know,
at
which
time
we're
gonna
then
start
to
generate
more
of
the
specific
information
on
exactly
how
long
does
that
flood
wall
need
to
be
exactly
how
much
space
of
open
space
do?
We
actually
need
to
utilize
and
those
other
questions
that
are
going
to
be
central
in
deliberations
with
this
board,
because
right
now
we're
still
looking
at
variance
with
invariant
one
and
that's
kind
of
where
we're
at
yeah
yeah,
but.
A
I
feel
like
I
have
to
say
again.
The
whole
concept
was
changed
in
June
from
a
flood
wall
in
the
CDOT
right
away.
Oops,
that's
not
possible,
so
we're
gonna
put
the
flood
wall
in
open
space
in
mountain
parks.
Land
that
to
me
was
a
significant
change
that
is,
is
being
eclipsed
by
all
these
other
plans
and
timelines
and
any
and
perhaps
ignored
and.
E
I
would
agree,
I
think
with
that
change.
One
of
the
concerns
I
have
is
you
know
whether
a
flood
wall
is
necessary
at
all,
given
the
potential
for
other
options,
and
that's
where
the
upstream,
you
know,
options,
analysis
becomes
critically
important
and
I.
Think
before
this
board
can
make
a
determination
both
on
the
wall
and
we're.
You
know
on
the
walls
location,
we
should
feel
confident
that
you
know
that's
the
best,
if
not
the
only
alternative
that
makes
sense,
and
quite
frankly,
I'm
not
there
at
this
point,
I
would.
H
H
Moving
the
wall
out
of
the
right-of-way,
so
there's
some
in
my
legs.
Yes,
there's
are
mental
impacts,
we're
gonna.
We
need
we're,
including
in
this
analysis,
that
we're
working
on
right
now
and
I
think
it's
important
for
you
guys
to
see
those
numbers
in
comparison
to
what
we've
done
with
the
upstream
option,
to
be
able
to
really
weigh
how
much
further
you
would
like
to
go
so
I
think!
H
G
Yeah,
just
just
briefly,
I
think
I
support
my
co
trustees.
Requests
for
additional
information
I
do
want
to
be
careful
playing
the
game
of
asking
for
more
information
forever.
I
do
think,
there's
a
more
interesting
conversation
on
the
other
side
of
this,
which
is
a
pretty
clear
view
on
the
impacts
being
requested
and
I.
Think
it's
going
to
require
a
really
deep
look
into
the
communities
values
about
the
lives
of
living
beings.
G
You
know
both
animal
and
human
and
I
just
want
to
reiterate
for
myself
that
the
it
doesn't
become
productive
until
a
description
of
the
mitigation
that
is
sufficient
to
cover
for
the
kinds
of
damages
being
contemplated
has
really
been
spelled
out
sure.
So
that's
that's
a
really
key
part
for
me.
There's
a
lot
of
ask
here:
I
feel
like
of
this
board,
but
there
is
some
much
detail
about
what
what
is
being
planned
in
terms
of
mitigation
and.
B
In
our
statement
to
council
that
one
of
the
four
preconditions
we
identified
four
preconditions
that
we
felt
had
to
be
addressed
before
we
would
even
consider
a
disposal
nevermind.
How
would
you
actually
vote
on
the
disposal,
but
before
we
felt
the
disposal,
question
was
he's
been
right
for
decision,
and
one
of
them
is
exactly
that
that
you
know
a
fully-formed
mitigation
plan
would
be
you
know
presented
to
us.
B
B
So
I
think
there's
an
understanding
you
all
get
together
to
reflect
on
the
concern
that
we're
raising
and
how
we're
using
the
next
three
months,
and
we
know
whether
some
course
corrections
appropriate
here
so
that
you
know,
there's
no
misunderstanding
about
what
what
we'll
be
seeing
in
March
I.
Think.
A
And
I
would
suggest
in
the
interim
making
it
clear
to
Council
that,
because
we
have
so
many
questions
and
we
have
a
role
in
making
recommendations
to
Council
on
both
the
project
and
dispose
potential
disposal
of
Oh
SNP
land.
But
that's
a
time
chunk
that
needs
to
be
attended
to
that
it
can't
just
be
glossed
over.
There
needs
to
be
significant
time
to
both
for
us
to
both
get
information
and
ask
questions
and
understand
enough
to
be
able
to
make
a
reasonable
decision
and
that
that's
not
an
insignificant
chunk
of
time.
In
my
mind,.
C
Sure
could
I
ask
you
a
question
sure
so
in
May,
if
you
get
the
green
light
to
move
with
some
form
of
variant,
one,
what's
the
timeframe
again,
I
think
you
probably
gave
it
to
us
in
September,
the
timeframe
of
when
we
would
expect
to
be
around
the
30%
when
we
would
start
to
get
a
lot
more
details
of
this
project.
That
would
know
what
the
impacts
are
right.
H
And
the
presentation
in
September
I
think
we,
we
probably
have
at
least
a
year's
worth
of
design
after
that
point,
but
the
idea
would
be
that
we're
coming
back
to
this
board
at
some
of
those
key
milestones:
mitigation
planned
ground
water,
all
those
things
as
we're,
proceeding
to
that
30%
design,
for
whatever
the
configuration
is
and
really
getting
your
input
as
we're
going
along
to
make
sure
we're
down
the
right
track.
So
when
you
guys
actually
get
to
that
point,
you've
been
involved
in
the
process
and
that's
part
of
the
reason
for
me
coming
tonight.
H
I
know
it's
not
very
a
lot
of
information
on
the
technical
side,
but
I
think
our
next
presentation
will
be
very
technical
and
I
just
want
to
prepare
you
guys
for
what
we're
working
on
and
what
the
process
is.
Looking
like
for
the
city
and
just
engagement
for
everybody,
including
you
guys
as
well
so.
B
B
H
C
C
Luckily,
after
a
little
bit
of
hiatus,
he
will
be
coming
back
in
a
part-time
capacity
for
a
little
bit
of
time
to
help
wrap
up
some
projects
and
to
work
on
some
lifts
that
we're
doing
in
terms
of
purposes
his
last
for
a
third
time
day
with
us
is
going
to
be
the
end
of
December.
So
I
just
wanted
to
recognize
the
milestone
and
just
wanted
to
make
a
few
comments
about
mark.
C
In
the
department
naturally
going
to
carry
a
lot
of
different
titles
along
with
you
down
here
is
Ranger
naturalist,
wetland,
ecologists,
resource
conservation,
supervisor,
monitoring,
work,
group
supervisor,
environmental
planner,
lead
planner
and
supervising
the
planning
and
design
workgroups.
So
I,
don't
know
how
you
didn't
get
more
different
titles
in
there
in
your
tenure,
but
that's
pretty
impressive
and
mark
actually
contributed
to
a
number
of
our
and
lead
or
contributed
to
a
number
of
plans,
including
our
visitor
master
plan,
who
I
believe
David's
very
familiar
with,
and
a
grassland
ecosystem
plan
a
forest
ecosystem
plan.
C
Some
study
area
trail
plans,
so
his
fingerprints,
all
over
the
department
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
I
paid
homage
to
Mark's
service
with
the
department
and
to
acknowledge
his
thirty
years
ago.
Tonight
you
might
have
been
sitting
in
that
same
exact
chair,
so
that's
off
to
you
and
thanks
so
much
for
your
service
to
the
department.
C
Next
subject
on
December
17th,
the
reminder
that
council
is
going
to
be
considering
the
Shanahan
ranch
acquisition
project.
So
if
anyone
wants
to
be
in
attendance
to
that,
there'll
be
a
15-minute
presentation
from
Luke
and
we're
expecting
about
a
half
hour
of
questions
and
responses
from
Council
on
December
17th.
We
will
be
the
first
public
hearing
item
on
the
agenda
so
and
I
also
just
wanted
to
make
an
announcement.
I'm
sure
people
have
figured
out
if
they're
watching
that
that
the
recommendations
for
the
gap
part
integrated
site
plan
is
on
for
the
January
calendar.
C
Previous
iterations
of
our
projected
schedule
would
have
called
for
it
to
be
tonight.
Staff
needed
more
time
to
refine
the
recommendation
that
they're
going
to
be
bringing
forward.
So
that
will
be
in
front
of
you
at
the
January
8th
and
that
will
be
a
public
hearing
and
an
opportunity
for
any
community
members
who
want
to
chime
in
and
voice
their
opinion
on
a
recommendation
or
the
project
as
a
whole.
January
8th
will
be
that
time
with
that.
We'll
move
on
to
item
number
C,
which
is
our
master
plan,
kickoff
community
event
and
Allison
Eklund.
J
This
will
be
short
and
sweet.
I
want
to
give
you
an
update
that
the
master
plan
rollout
an
appreciation
me
that
will
be
in
the
end
of
February.
Now
you
may
have
seen
in
your
packet
calendar
a
January
27th
date.
We
have
a
lot
more
planning
and
preparation
to
do
so.
It
will
be
later
on
in
February,
and
the
goal
of
having
this
event
is
really
to
take
the
time
to
think
all
of
the
community
for
participating
in
the
18
month
long
process
with
us
and
giving
us
a
lot
of
great
input.
J
As
you've
probably
heard
the
stats
we
received
over
10,000
comments,
we
held
seven
well
attended
community
meetings
to
drop-in
listening
sessions
and
received
1300
responses
to
the
statistically
valid
survey.
So
what
that
says
is
that
we
really
couldn't
have
done
it
without
the
community,
so
we
want
to
take
the
time
to
thank
them.
Keep
the
excitement
and
the
momentum
building
with
the
plan
and
we'll
also
be
able
to
present
that
night.
The
final
version
of
the
plan
so
we'll
get
out
of
a
Word
document
and
have
a
final
final
plan
there
that
night.
J
C
We're
gonna
invite
our
science
officer,
Brian
Anika
up
here
and
I
thought
I
would
just
take
the
opportunity
to
say
a
few
words
about
Brian,
since
he
probably
wouldn't
say
it
himself,
but
typically
we're
introducing
new
program
areas
to
initiatives.
We
always
ask
the
staff
to
introduce
themselves
tell
them
a
little
a
little
bit
about
their
background.
We
did
it
with
the
trail
staff
and
so
I
just
want
to
say
this
is
a
former
alumni
of
my
college.
C
University
of
Wisconsin
grad
right
here,
graduated
from
the
University
of
Wisconsin
he's
got
about
20
years
of
experience,
working
in
six
different
states
and
I
believe
it
California
in
Colorado
and
Arkansas
in
Pennsylvania
and
Wisconsin.
A
part
of
the
states
that
that
you
have
your
fingers
in
he's
got
a
bachelor's
degree
in
botany
and
conservation
biology
from
UW
he's
got
a
PhD
in
ecology
from
the
University
of
California
Davis,
and
he's
got
postdoc
experience
working
with
the
California
Department
of
Fish
and
Wildlife.
C
F
I
Okay,
so
these
are
the
three
points
that
learned
from
my
talk
tonight.
During
that
18-month
master
plan
process,
we
heard
loud
and
clear
from
the
community
we'd
like
more
data
we'd
like
to
know
about
the
trends
we'd
like
to
understand
how
you
used
data
to
make
decisions
and
I
think
we
did
a
really
great
job
of
daylighting,
a
bunch
of
new
information
as
part
of
our
system
overview
report
through
our
community
workshops
and
in
the
master
plan
document
itself.
I
But
as
part
of
the
master
plan,
we
made
commitments
to
both
refine
and
accelerate
our
scientific
approach
to
conservation
and
Recreation,
which
I
think
are
best
illustrated
in
our
two
learning
laboratory
strategies.
So
I'll
describe
what
those
are
tonight,
but
also
in
an
outcome
that
we
had
in
the
master
plan
around
shared
informed
stewardship.
I
So
tonight,
I
will
review
those
strategies
spend
most
of
my
time
on
that
learning.
Laboratory
part
give
you
a
couple
of
examples
of
where
we've
used
data
to
inform
decisions
in
the
past
and
then
have
some
comments
about
how
we
can
get
even
better
at
the
way
we
collect
data
and
how
we
use
that
data.
In
doing
so
in
a
cost-effective
manner,
so
these
are
the
two
strategies
that
I
alluded
to
and
master
plan
ecosystem
health
and
resilience.
7
was
developed.
I
A
learning
laboratory
approach
to
your
conservation
and
9
was
a
learning
laboratory
approach
to
recreation.
So
what
I'd
like
to
do
tonight
is
imagine
our
learning
laboratory
as
a
physical
building
that
has
three
rooms
in
it
and
that's
surrounded
by
the
open
space
land
system
and
I'll,
then
give
you
a
tour
of
those
three
rooms.
The
first
of
three
is
our
inventory
room
and
an
inventory
is
simply
a
complete
listing
of
items
from
the
system
overview
report.
Here's
an
example
table
five
point,
which
is
species
diversity
by
group.
I
Of
course,
our
efforts
at
inventory
go
above
and
beyond
that
we
have
pretty
detailed
understanding
of
our
cultural
resources,
we're
starting
to
look
below
ground
to
think
about
what
we
have
in
terms
of
soil.
Carbon,
for
example,
we've
got
a
really
good
idea
of
the
structure
of
our
forests,
which
species
there
are
what
the
composition
of
those
forests
are.
I
The
second
room,
then,
in
our
learning
laboratory,
is
our
monitoring.
Room
monitoring
is
assessing
the
condition
of
the
resources
on
open
space
and
thinking
about
how
that
condition
changes
over
time.
One
of
the
best
examples
of
this
is
from
our
grassland
plan,
which
we
alluded
to
earlier,
which
we
call
G
map
which
is
published
in
2010
and
thanks
to
Mark's
work.
I
It
has
over
50
different
indicators
proposed
that
we
could
measure
to
understand
the
health
of
the
grassland
system,
so
I'm
just
going
to
give
you
an
example
for
one
of
those
indicators
and
how
we
measure
it
over
time.
So,
as
you
know,
one
of
our
conservation
targets
in
the
grassland
context
is
your
tall
grass
prairie.
I
100
meters
square,
is
our
50
meter
long
transect,
with
two
meters
width
to
make
a
hundred
meters
total
and
you'll,
see
that
here
on
the
y-axis,
ranging
from
zero
to
fifty
and
then
I'm
going
to
show
you
the
data
as
we've,
measured
it
starting
in
2010,
with
a
adoption
of
this
plan
through
to
2017.
Are
you
ready
here?
Comes
some
numbers?
I
So,
in
the
grassland
plan
we
said,
here's
an
indicator
we'd
like
to
measure
and
here's
some
numerical
thresholds
will
tell
us
if
we're
doing
a
poor
job
in
terms
of
the
health,
a
fair
job,
a
good
job
or
a
very
good
job,
and
so,
according
to
those
thresholds,
the
condition
of
this
community
with
regards
to
this
one
indicator
is
good.
It's
green
and
it's
green
and
each
and
every
year,
and
why
I
like
this
example
is
because
when
we
saw
this,
we
thought
wow.
I
That's
remarkable
stability
overall
in
terms
of
change
over
time
in
this
grassland
system,
we're
not
seeing
major
increases
in
species
diversity
or
major
reductions
in
species
diversity.
So
that's
some
level
of
confidence
that
were
managing
in
a
way
or
the
climates
not
changing
rapidly
enough
to
make
species
diversity
change
dramatically.
In
short
order,
and
also
like
this
example,
because
when
we
saw
this
result,
we
we
said
to
ourselves
is
this
the
most
cost-effective
way
to
learn
about
this
resource
going
out
here
after
you're
measuring
it.
I
Or
can
we
reduce
the
frequency
of
measurement
to
something
a
little
more
cost-effective,
and
indeed
we
decided
to
reduce
our
frequency
from
an
annual
basis.
You
see
here
to
every
third
year,
so
that's
our
monitoring
room
and
then
our
third
room
is
a
research
room.
So
research
is
a
systematic
investigation
of
something
to
establish
facts
and
reach
new
conclusions.
It's
different
than
monitoring
in
the
sense
that
it's
not
repeated
typically
over
time,
it's
more
of
a
discrete
project
and
that
it's
often
hypothesis
based.
I
I
I
I
Therefore,
if
we
mow
down
all
the
Tokra
telegraphs
every
year,
it's
just
going
to
come
back
year
after
year
or
as
seed
relatively
rare
and
the
seed
bank,
and
so
we
should
feel
confident
that
what
we
see
above-ground
there
won't
be
a
legacy
of
tall
grass
continuing
to
come
back
and
spoiler
alert.
There
isn't
a
real
strong
seed
bank
for
total
grass
and
that's
encouraging.
A
A
I
So
that's
kind
of
a
tour
of
our
lab,
but
are
we
any
good
in
terms
of
this
learning
laboratory
approach
so
the
to
answer
that
question
I'm
just
going
to
show
you
some
of
our
accomplishments
in
2019?
That
I
think
point
to
the
answer
to
that
question
of
mean:
yes,
we're
pretty
good
at
it,
so
our
own
staff
conduct
about
40
research
and
monitoring
projects
in
a
year
like
2019
and
that's
spread
across
over
20
different
staff
in
the
department
that
have
scientific
training
working
with
the
community.
We
have
two
major
citizen
science
projects.
I
I
In
addition
to
that,
we
permitted
40
different
unfunded
research
permits
to
allow
people
to
do
their
research
on
open
space
land
without
funding
we
partnered
closely
with
Boulder
County
parks
and
open
space
and
Jefferson
County
open
space.
In
addition
to
other
agencies,
we
produce
four
peer-reviewed
publications
and
ten
scientific
journals.
Two
of
those
with
our
own
staff
as
co-authors
and
two
from
grant
recipients.
I
I
Symposium
was
a
in
spring
of
this
year,
hosted
by
Jefferson
County,
the
Colorado
Open
Space
Alliance
symposium
was
in
Steamboat.
We
staff
from
open
space
helped
to
organize
that
and
a
lot
of
our
staff
presented
there.
We
helped
to
organize
and
also
present
it
at
the
Boulder
County
Nature
Association
eco
symposium
in
spring
and
next
week,
Thursday.
We
hope
to
core
organize
and
we'll
be
presenting
at
the
soil
revolution
conference
and
last
time,
I
checked.
There
is
about
to
registration
slots
left.
I
So
if
you're
interested
in
attending
and
haven't
registered,
you
might
be
able
to
sneak
in
oops,
so
here's
the
20
plus
staff,
some
of
you
have
been
following
open
space
issues
for
a
long
time
might
recognize
almost
all
of
these
names,
some
of
you
who
are
new-
these
might
be
new
names
and
you'll,
get
to
know
us
over
time.
I
put
the
list
up
just
to
show
the
bench
strength
that
we
have
in
terms
of
the
number
of
staff
we
have
with
training,
but
also
the
diversity
of
training.
I
You
have
that
you've
gotta
have
plant
ecology
positions,
wildlife,
ecology,
wetland,
ecology,
riparian
ecology,
but
we
have
some
of
these
other
positions
that
are
more
innovative
in
bleeding
edge
of
where
science
is
going.
Like
my
own
position
in
terms
of
integrating
data,
science
is
one
of
those
and
we've
got.
Somebody
really
focused
on
study,
design,
trails,
research,
human
dimensions,
research,
recreation,
ecology,
okay.
So
how
do
we
use
that
information
to
make
real
decisions?
I
Can
we
give
a
couple
of
examples
where
we
think
we've
done
a
decent
job
of
that
first,
one
I
want
to
mention
is
the
use
of
our
public
surveys
to
guide
the
development
of
new
programs.
Visitor
master
plan
was
preempted
with
the
resident
survey
in
2004
512
responses
from
city
of
Boulder
registered
voters
asked
a
question
about
how
appropriate
would
it
be
to
require
dogs
to
be
on
leash
in
the
first
100
yards
of
trail,
heads
62
percent
of
respondents
said
very
appropriate
and
24
percent
said
somewhat
appropriate,
so
combined.
I
We
take
that
as
strong
support
for
the
development
of
our
tried
leash
program,
which
is
in
place
today.
Another
one,
a
little
more
complicated
is
the
use
of
vegetation
monitoring
to
guide
where
we
relocate
prairie
dogs.
To
the
example,
here
is
the
South
strand
property,
which
is
south
of
Marshall
Lake
in
the
southern
part
of
the
system.
Vegetation
monitoring
conducted
in
that
same
transect
style
in
2017,
and
we
measured
several
indicators.
I'll
show
you
three
here.
I
First
one
is
native
species
richness
the
same
thing
we
talked
about
earlier,
the
number
of
native
plants
per
unit
area,
the
criteria
we
would
have
to
make
the
site
suitable
for
long
term.
Sustainability
of
prairie
dogs
is
we'd
like
to
see
at
least
18
native
species.
There
we
measured
an
average
of
28
point
for
the
interpretation.
Then,
as
this
site
passes,
the
indicator
would
be
suitable
bare
ground.
We
want
to
see
no
more
than
22%
cover
of
bare
ground.
In
that
same
transect
we
observe
1.7
percent
repetition.
I
Is
we
pass
the
criteria
and
then
perennial
grass
cover
is
equal
to
60
percent
observation
was
lower
than
that
at
41
point
1
and
the
interpretation
is
a
fail,
and
so
the
recommendation
then,
is
that
this
site
would
not
be
suitable
for
relocation
at
that
time.
Although
we
noted,
during
the
data
collection
phase
that
that
site
had
been
recently
grazed
and
in
fact,
was
actively
being
grazed
during
measurement
and
when
you
go
to
measure
vegetative
cover
and
the
site
has
been
grazed
recently.
I
You're
gonna
get
an
underestimation
of
plant
cover
because
the
plants
are
gonna
grow
back
and
the
cover
would
be
higher
the
next
time
you
look
at
it
and,
in
fact,
through
further
reconnaissance
and
vegetation
mapping.
In
subsequent
years,
the
decision
was
made
that
the
cover
was
sufficient
to
meet
the
site
suitable
for
relocation,
and
the
permit
was
sought
in
2019
and
granted
from
the
state
and
later
the
in
2019,
over
500
pair
dogs
were
relocated
to
the
straining
adjacent
sites
from
agricultural
sites
further
to
the
north.
I
Here's
seven
other
examples:
I
won't
bother
reading
to
you.
If
you
have
questions
on
these,
we
can
flip
back
to
them
and
talk
talk
through
them.
Okay.
So
the
third
thing
I
want
to
talk
about
is
this
idea
of
moving
towards
getting
shared
informed
stewardship?
So
we
work
hand-in-hand
with
the
community
to
get
even
better
approach
to
data
collection
and
connecting
that
data
to
decisions,
so
I
think
one
role
for
the
community
and
council
and
the
board
is
to
continue
to
support
and
promote
some
activities
that
lead
to
shared
and
forbs
stewardship.
I
We
have
open
houses,
like
our
trails,
open
house
and
a
restoration,
open
house,
great
opportunities
for
us
to
show
you
information
and
put
it
in
the
context
of
our
management
choices,
field
trips,
a
great
chance
to
get
out
on
the
land
and
see
what
it
looks
like
boots
on
the
ground
continue
to
bring.
You
updates
like
this
one
going
forward.
The
grass
land
plan
and
the
forest
plan
are
expected
to
see
updates
over
the
next
10
years.
I
Those
will
be
built
on
a
foundation
of
data
and
information
that
we've
collected
since
those
plans
were
originally
put
into
place.
The
symposium,
which
I'm
showing
a
flier
from
2019,
will
be
bringing
back
again
in
2021
the
city
of
Boulder,
open
data.
Catalog
is
a
great
resource.
That's
growing
all
the
time,
a
chance
to
access
our
data
and
make
your
own
interpretations
we'll
continue
to
look
for
more
citizen
science
projects,
I
think
with
master
plan
implementation.
We'll
have
a
lot
of
opportunity.
I
There
we're
looking
for
ways
to
make
reports
more
interactive
as
opposed
to
static
and
hardcopy.
So
look
for
more
story
maps,
and
you
may
have
seen
the
visitation
data
Explorer,
so
chances
like
that
to
start
to
interact
with
the
data
and
see
it
at
whatever
scale
is
relevant
to
you
and
if
you
like,
the
old
fashioned
it
by
11
under
page
PDFs,
we
have
over
400
of
those
thanks
in
part
to
Dave's
work
available
at
this
web
link
and
I
mentioned
in
a
minute.
I
Some
approach,
we're
gonna,
have
to
add
some
value
to
those
two
second
area.
I
think
we
can
work
on
is
start
to
think
about
the
cost
of
this
work
because
it
doesn't
come
for
free.
So
when
you
ask
that
our
own
staff
have,
or
we
get
from
the
board
or
the
council
or
community,
comes
with
a
cost,
we
have
to
think
about
how
we
budget,
for
that
or
some
sort
of
trade-off
we're
gonna
make
in
terms
of
the
portfolio
of
the
research
and
science
that
we
do.
I
I
One
way
to
use
older
and
non-local
data
I.
Think
as
we
approach
a
decision,
we
want
data
collected
this
year
on
that
site,
but
sometimes
data,
that's
two
or
more
years
old
or
collected
on
adjacent
sites,
can
get
us
close
enough
to
understanding
the
problem
in
the
environment
to
making
a
decision
without
having
a
new
cost
to
collect
data.
Fresh
data
set
related
to
that
is:
let's
pay
attention
to
the
literature.
I
I
I
We
set
out
two
goals:
one
is
an
internal
facing
goal
of
developing
policies,
procedures
and
best
practices
in
these
three
domains
which
I'm
showing
on
the
right
side
of
the
slide:
data
collection
and
study,
design,
everyone's
favorite
statistics
and
data
visualization,
and
our
approach
to
reporting
and
then
looking
externally.
Our
main
focus
is
on
strengthening
our
approach
to
communicating
our
science
to
the
community.
I
I
think
the
work
we
do
has
a
lot
of
value,
but
maybe
we're
not
the
best
at
storytelling
and
showing
the
value
to
the
community
and
an
example
of
that
in
2020,
we
plan
to
launch
a
science
that
OS
MP
webpage,
which
might
look
something
like
this.
It
would
have
kind
of
a
tour
of
the
Learning
Lab,
like
I've
talked
about
here
tonight.
I
Of
course,
it
will
have
science
resources
which
will
just
link
out
to
things
like
our
grants
program
our
permits
program,
our
dashboards
story,
maps
that
open
data
catalog
announcements
for
when
we
have
new
publications.
So
it's
kind
of
a
one-stop
shop
to
learn
about
all
those
different
sources.
Nation
will
have
profiles
of
the
science
staff,
so
those
20
plus
names
I
flashed
on
the
screen
a
little
bit
more
about
who
they
are
and
what
they
do.
I
So
in
summary,
I
gave
you
a
tour
of
our
three
rooms
of
our
learning
laboratory.
Give
you
a
couple
of
examples
of
being
used
to
inform
decision
making
and
talked
about
some
approaches
that
the
community
can
join
us
to
get
even
better
at
connecting
data
with
decisions
and
moving
towards
this
outcome
of
chaired
informed
stewardship
and
with
that
I'll
say
thank
you
and
to
be
happy
to
take
any
questions.
B
Thanks
Brian
gave
an
example:
you
know
the
data
set
that
had
been
collected
annually
and
now
you're
thinking.
Every
three
years
is
fine.
How
many
different
species
are
there
for
which
we
collect,
whether
it's
annual
or
some
other
regular
periodic
basis
that
you
collect
data
on
the
prevalence
of
that
species.
Things
like
raptors
and
bats
I.
Don't
have
a
sense
of
how
many
different
species
you're
actively
tracking
yeah.
I
I
So
that's
the
biggest
sort
of
species
poll
we
could
can
consider
how
many
of
those
are
detected
in
grasslands
versus
forests
versus
riparian
and
wetlands
I.
Don't
have
those
numbers
I'll
stop
my
head.
If
you
can
fit
50
species
in
a
100,
meter
square
area
roughly
and
then
there's
some
level
of
turnover,
so
the
next
transect
has
another
50
but
they're,
not
all
the
same.
So
you'd
start
to
kind
of
build
a
species
pool
that
way
of
just
the
grass
line.
Transects
we
measured
so
I
could
certainly
get
that
number.
I
would
estimate
it's
missing.
B
In
case
it
was
some
confusion
how
many
different
species
are
there
for
which
we
regularly
go
out
and
survey,
whether
it's
on
the
system
of
the
hole
or
some
subset
of
the
system?
How
prevalent
that
species
is
so
that
you
could
track,
as
you
did
for
things
as
Eirik
tall
grass
prairie
mosaic,
you
know,
track
the
performance
over
time.
A
I
And
again,
I
don't
have
a
number
off
the
top
of
my
head,
like
there's
several
different
ways
to
answer
that
question:
the
grass
line
transects
themselves.
There
are
150
of
them
and
in
those
we
record
whatever
vascular
plant
species
we
encounter,
and
so
it's
not
like
we're
going
to
look
for
a
hit
list
of
20
species
through
those
transects
it's
whatever's
there
and
that
aggregation
of
species
is
hundreds.
I
would
say
then
another
way
to
answer
it
might
be
our
list
of
rare
plant
species.
How
many
of
those
are
we
tracking?
I
B
B
That's
a
good
question
so
some
for
which
that
was
briefly
in
the
West
TSA.
There
was
quite
a
big
point
about
what
is
the
right
species
to
use
for
measuring
as
an
indicator
the
health
of
a
particular
type
of
ecosystem,
or
not
what
extent
we
sort
of
monitor
that
which
which
of
those
we
monitor,
which
ones
we
don't.
F
Most
of
our
monitoring
is
directed
through
the
resource
management
plan,
so,
for
example,
what
Brian
was
talking
about
with
the
grassland
transects?
That's
what?
What
kind
of
how
that
derives?
There
are
a
number
of
other
species
Tom
that
we
track
regularly,
maybe
not
to
the
extent
that
we
do
the
grassland
transects,
and
that
would
be.
That
would
be
things
like
our
currently.
Our
focus
has
been
on
prairie
dogs,
of
course,
and
where
those
are
across
the
system,
and
we
track
that
every
year
and
map
it
every
year.
F
Another
example
would
be
northern
leopard
frog,
which
you
saw
a
presentation
on
recently
where
we
know
we're
there.
Every
year
we
go
out
and
we
look
at
where
they're
breeding
and
where
they're
not
breeding,
and
we
have
an
understanding
of
how
that's
developing
and
I
think
that
was
explained
to
you
a
couple
meetings
ago
of
kind
of
how
we're
understanding
that
another
example
would
be
prepping
Mouse,
which
we
will
do,
will
will
monitor
for
presence
and
absence
in
a
number
of
areas
around
the
system
on
our
routine
basis.
F
So
those
are
just
some
examples:
neighbor
squirrel.
Of
course
we
look
more
at
in
terms
of
protecting
nests
when
we're
going
into
working
and
doing
some
forest
work
in
an
area
so
but
and
then
there's
you
know
handful
of
others,
but
those
are
I
would
say
kind
of
some
of
our
main
focus,
also
nesting,
Raptors
and
grasshopper
sparrows,
so
ground
nesting
birds
is
another
that
we
that
we
spend
a
lot
of
our
time
on
thanks
John,
it's
helpful
I.
G
I
just
want
to
thank
you
cook
that
I
was
really
interested
in
your
points
about
efficiency
of
cost
and
actionability
on
the
science
data,
especially
this
idea
of
the
build-out
of
a
website,
I'm
fascinated
by
the
one
question
I
have
you
know
when
I
do
my
own?
Looking
at
some
of
the
researches
research
work,
that
sort
of
you
know
pertains
to
things
were
looking
at,
it's
always
difficult
to
determine
what
meets
quality
standards
and
I'm
just
kisses
you
just
you
talked
about
utilizing
outside
research
in
some
of
these
cases.
Is
there?
I
Now
that
said,
we
don't
assume
that
everything
that's
published
is
super
high
quality
and
we've
had
internal
conversations
as
we
review
papers
that
have
been
published
and
we
find
flaws
in
those
all
the
time,
and
so
you
have
to
be
careful
even
at
that
highest
level
of
standard.
But
beyond
that
I
think
you
rely
on
your
own
scientific
expertise
and
training
and
familiarity
with
the
topic
to
evaluate
somebody
else's
work
and
that's
really
how
peer
review
works
in
the
first
place.
I
I
might
be
reviewing
a
manuscript
where
it's
got
a
statistical
model
that
I'm
really
familiar
with,
and
so
I'm
gonna
really
focus
on
that.
Well,
the
next
reviewer
might
be
really
interested
in
that
species
of
interest,
and
so
we
each
kind
of
come
with
our
own
expertise,
and
we
use
that
as
our
evaluation
of
the
quality.
Beyond
that,
I
don't
know
if
we
have
a
best
practice
or
a
set
of
criteria
that
we
would
have
think
we
have
something
like
that.
We're
interested
to
hear
if
you
had
some
thoughts
of
what
that
might
look
like.
I
G
I
E
I
think
that
another
response
to
hails
question
is
that
we've
now
accumulated
enough
experience
in
the
larger
research
community.
We
have
a
pretty
good
understanding
of
you,
know
certain
people's
expertise
and
qualifications,
and
so
anytime,
that
you
know
you
have
a
research
question
that
someone
you
know
is
interested
in
or
you're
interested
in
and
getting
that
looked
at.
There
is
a
pool
out
there
of
tenured
and
experienced
researchers.
That
I
think
have
a
history
of
good
work,
and
so
that's
always
reassuring
as
well
and
I
want
to
say
a
special
thanks.
E
I
I
think
that's
a
great
area
for
improvement
and
there's
a
lot
of
opportunity
there
and
I
would
look
at
the
master
plan,
implementations
potentially
one
of
the
very
best
places
as
we
approach
implementing
the
strategies
and
building
teams
and
making
sure
those
teams
have
subject
matter.
Experts
in
education,
outreach
staff,
part
of
the
webpage
I
mentioned
here,
I've
directly
resource
education,
outreach
staffed
and
make
sure
any
messages
were
putting
out
there.
The
same
messages
they're
delivering
in
their
program.
I
I
To
understand
it
so
they're
a
real
asset
to
us
to
help
us
take
something
that
can
seem
fairly
nuanced
and
complicated
and
simplify
it
into
what
the
average
visitor
could
understand
and
care
about
and
at
the
same
time
I
think
we
can.
We
can
do
even
better
going
forward,
especially
in
those
areas
like
climate
change,
but
also.
C
C
So
we're
asking
education
and
outreach,
as
well
as
our
communication
staff
and
others
that
are
involved
in
and
proactively
looking
at
projects
that
are
on
the
slate
either
coming
out
later
that
year,
or
ideally,
two
or
three
years
down
the
road
and
starting
to
identify
those
projects
where
we
outed,
we
oughta
for
them
formalize
that
alignment
with
getting
education
outreach
out
in
front.
So
it
has
been
a
little
bit
informal.
C
A
lot
of
a
lot
of
here
and
there
and
one
of
the
ways
of
institutionalizing
and
implementation
of
the
master
plan
is
how
can
we
kind
of
create
this
whole
strategy
of
lining
up
a
project
over
a
series
of
years?
I
think
tall
oak
grass
was
one.
Where
was
an
example
of
this
year,
where
we
had
education,
outreach
and
Lori
Lori
dieter,
and
some
of
the
education
staff
out
there
working
on
education
stuff
on
the
tall
grass
ahead
of
a
project
that
were
actually
start
to
see
on-the-ground
implementation
of
so
ya.
E
Know
that
sounds
great
and
I
when
other
thing
I
think
the
open
houses
of
late,
you
know,
have
been
a
good
forum
for
presenting
you
know,
information
and
I.
Think
tall
oak
grass.
The
open
house
last
week
was
a
good
example
of
that
where
people
came-
and
you
know
were
knowledgeable
informed
concerned
and
the
conversations
I
think
were
were
much
more
informed
because
of
some
of
the
work
that
we
did.
You
know
in
preparation
for
that.
C
And
the
coming
months,
I'm
not
sure
exactly
one
education
and
outreach
will
present
to
you
some
of
their
strategic
thinking
about
how
to
look
at
sites
within
the
system
and
incorporating
the
themes
to
those
sites,
and
one
of
the
themes
could
be
as
one
of
those
on-the-ground
management
challenges
that
were
wrestling
with
and
and
how
they
would
take
those
themes
and
make
it
into
education
outreach
programming.
So
you
hear
a
little
bit
about
that
in
the
coming
month.
We
look
forward
to
that
yeah.
A
And
I
I
agree,
I
think
that's
a
very
constructive
direction.
I
want
to
pursue
a
little
bit
further.
The
Brian
you
mentioned
strengthening
communication
with
the
community
about
this
kind
of
information,
and
my
reaction
is
some
of
the
suggestions
that
you
had
to
that
sounded
to
me
more
like
preaching
to
the
choir,
rather
than
to
reaching
additional
diverse
members
of
the
community
and.
I
You
know,
I
would
say
the
way
I
think
about
it
is
there's
a
bit
of
a
backlog
in
terms
of
analysis
and
synthesis
and
there's
a
lot
of
work
to
be
done
in
that
area,
and
some
are
long
term
data
sets.
We've
got
four
years
of
data,
but
we
just
haven't
had
time
to
really
put
it
all
together.
I
There's
roadblocks
there
in
terms
of
getting
data
out,
combining
it
with
the
other
kinds
of
information
you
need
putting
in
climate
information,
doing
the
statistical
models
surviving
through
all
those
steps
and
not
getting
fatigued
and
distracted
so
by
giving
a
single
block
of
time
just
to
do
an
acceleration
on
one
particular
data
set
at
a
time.
That's
something
we're
trying
we've
heard
staff
is
interested
in
that
and
we're
doing
our
first
one
right
now.
A
I
A
A
K
K
Doesn't
include
that
that's
just
a
standalone
cost,
so
obviously
an
informal
questionnaires
just
a
matter
of
stuff
time
figuring
it
out,
but
you're
right
Karen.
There
is
a
big
difference
between
the
two
I
think
Brian
was
trying
to
point
towards
where
we
might
be
looking
for
sort
of
a
smaller
response
rate
on
it,
perhaps
a
less
controversial
scientific
subject.
Sometimes
thanks.
B
Alright,
so
the
first
item
under
matters
from
the
board
is
our
response
to
counsels,
questions
on
priorities,
Curt
denied
and,
frankly,
more
Curt
than
I,
but
we
did
collaborate
on
a
draft
and
those
have
been
those
were
in
the
packet,
so
the
public
has
access
to
them.
Leah.
Do
you
give
the
ability
to
put
that
up
on
the
screen?
I
think
we
probably
all
have
copies
of
it,
but
and
then
I
know
he'll.
You
have
and
maybe
that's
the
better
place
to
start
because
you
had
a
proposed
significant
edit.
B
G
Yeah
I
thought
in
general,
it
was
excellent
and
painted
the
picture
of
what
we're
up
against
in
the
next
year.
Very
well,
I
personally
feel
at
this
juncture,
after
approving
the
master
plan,
a
significant
budgetary
shift
away
from
acquisitions
and
towards
management
and
maintenance
that
a
discussion
and
reiteration
of
the
newly
reauthorized
sales
tax
and
the
specific
usages,
particularly
pertaining
to
backlog
maintenance,
is
important.
I.
G
B
I,
don't
disagree
with
the
way
you've
characterized
the
issue
a
question
I
have
is:
where
counsel
is
actually
going
to
fit
into
this
within
the
time
frame
that
we're
talking
about
it,
certainly
the
way
Curt
and
I
had
drafted.
It
was
just
to
remind
them
that
this
will
be
picked
up
in
the
budget,
which
unquestionably
is
an
issue
that
counsel
has
to
tackle
beyond
the
budget.
I'm
not-
and
this
is
staff-
may
have
some.
B
You
know
valuable
perspective
as
well
on,
what's
going
to
council
and
what's
not
but
I'm,
not
sure
what
master
plan
implementation
steps
would
actually
go
to
counsel
in
this
time
frame,
you
can
always
call
up
whatever
they
wish,
but
I
mean
just
in
the
normal
course
I'm,
not
sure
what
we
would
be
doing
on
the
implementation
side
be.
You
may
actually
go
to
counsel,
isn't.
A
G
I
think
that's
fair
I
mean
the
the
big
tension.
I
see.
Is
that
right
at
this
point,
where
we
suggested
we
are
moving
to
a
management
and
maintenance
focused
budget.
We
have
this
one
final
amazing
easement
deal
and
I.
Just
think
that
the
way
those
two
things
inner
inner
act
in
our
reiteration
of
the
high
dollar
items
in
the
master
plan
makes
it
basically
makes
the
highest
level
importance
and
not
to
say
that
the
prairie
dogs
and
South
Boulder,
Creek
and
Cu
South
are
not
important
items.
G
B
Maybe
this
would
resolve
the
potential
confusion.
I
was
having
is
in.
The
very
first
line
will
see
councils
support
if
it's
dense,
it
will
seek
councils
support
of
the
budget,
because
I
think
that's
actually
the
what
count.
So,
yes,
the
other
things
build
up
to
the
budget,
but
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
be
asking
them
any
other
level
of
detail
to
bless
an
implementation.
Planner
all
be
in
the
budget.
So
if
you
said
we'll
seek
some
counsel
support
of
a
of
the
the.
A
E
Sounds
fair
to
me,
okay
and
I.
Think
that's
a
good
suggestion
mm-hmm,
because
they've
already
approved
the
the
master
plan,
so
theoretically
they've
supported
that.
So
now
it's
the
budget,
yeah
we're
talking
about
yeah
and
I.
Think
again,
from
my
perspective,
it's
worth
letting
council
know
what
those
high
priorities
are.
The
you
know
the
budget
will
be
reflecting
because
I
do
think.
E
You
know,
based
on
listening
to
the
council
conversation
at
the
study
session
last
night,
that
there's
great
concern
about
you
know
kind
of
the
law
in
the
long
term
or
as
some
of
them
put
it.
You
know
the
macro
vision
of
where
we're
going
and
what
the
costs
are
and
I
think
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
highlight
that.
E
I
G
C
Could
I
ask
a
question
of
the
board
so
one
of
my
one
of
the
values
that
I
see
and
providing
a
piece
like
this
is
not
so
much
whether
they
choose
to
make
one
of
ours
a
council
priority.
But
it's
you
know
it's
an
educational
tool,
especially
for
50%
new
council.
This
is
an
opportunity
for
us
to
you,
know,
educate
them
on
certain
things
and
I'm
a
little
concerned
that
we
are
self
selecting
in
this
top
master
plan
funding,
priorities
and
listing,
for
there
are
four
that
really
had
no
vetting
or
no
process.
C
We
have
approved
through
a
formal
vetting
process,
top
ten
top
top
tier
top
tier
priorities
and
I
think
that
if
we,
which
they
made
half
of
them,
may
not
even
know
what
those
ten
were,
and
here
they
might
look
and
say.
Oh,
these
are
the
top
four
master
plan
funding
priorities
when
a
reality.
We
have
ten
top
fund
top
priorities
and
we
didn't
sort
of
go
through
any
sort
of
process
in
identifying
which
four
we
choose
out
of
those
tend
to
put
in
here.
So.
G
I'd
enter
the
question
they
were,
they
were
pulled
from
the
ones
that
had
the
most
dollar
signs
associated
from
the
master
plan
and
they
I
I.
Think
the
the
essence
of
what
I'm
trying
to
get
across
here
was
captured.
Sort
of
councilman
Yates
talked
about
the
difference
between
items
that
are
blocked
and
tackling
and
visionary
elements.
My
main
hope
through
pulling
these
out,
was
to
communicate
the
blocking
and
tackling
efforts
that
we
have
on
this
system,
I'm
totally
open
to
any
changes
or
alterations,
but
that
was
basically
how
they
were
select.
So
I
based.
C
E
E
Yes,
you
know
it's
a
matter
of
you
know.
You
know
here's
kind
of
a
collection
of
them
if
I
think,
if
we
get
too
many,
you
know
you're
kind
of
gonna
do
the
eye
roll
of
geez.
You
know
you're
trying
to
you,
know
kind
of
do
the
core
dump
and
yeah.
This
was
just
an
attempt.
I
think
hell
started
to
identify.
You
know
some
of
those
that
you
know
are
among
the
highest
priority.
B
So,
following
that
I
wonder
if
it
wouldn't
be
better
to
say
top
master
funding
priorities
targeted
for
2021
include,
rather
than
are
so.
It
doesn't
sound
like
we're
making
a
definitive
statement,
but
him
include
may
accomplish
what
you're
seeking
to
do
while
recognizing
I
think
there
were
nine,
it
might
have
been
ten
yeah
to
ten
Tier.
One
priorities
think
there
were
three
from
EHR
and
yeah
three
from
a.
G
Hundred
percent-
okay,
that
okay,
the
main
hope
is
we
experienced
a
very
close
call
with
serious
funding
volatility
for
the
department
and
I,
just
think
for
new
council
members.
Everybody
involved
painting
the
picture.
Sure
of
the
real
ongoing
cost
of
managing
a
five
billion
dollar
plus
system
is,
is
really
helpful.
So.
B
B
C
Tom
does
this
still
does
this
include
this?
The
other
item.
That's
below
the
three
I
believe
there
was
items
for
council,
consult
information,
yeah,
that's
that
would
go
there.
May
I
suggest
one
wording
change
in
that
in
the
first
paragraph.
The
last
word,
it
said
more
will
generate
requests
for
a
council
hearing.
C
Often
if
the
council
is
not
involved
in
actually
making
a
decision,
though
we
will
put
it
under
matters
from
the
city
manager.
Prairie-Dog
was
under
matters
through
the
whole
thing.
So
just
who
will
request
for
council
consideration
or
something
like
that
or
can't
council
involvement
or
then
do
the
hearing.
B
B
All
right
great,
so,
let's
see
the
next
is
notification
of
upcoming
public
participation.
Events
I
think
with
the
movement
of
the
master
plan
rollout
from
January
2,
as
it
as-yet-unidentified
date
in
February.
Don't
think,
there's
anything
that
we
need
to
notify
between
now
and
our
meeting
in
January
Jennifer
yeah.
That's
correct!
Okay.
The
next
item
I,
want
to
spend
a
couple
minutes
on,
although
people
may
wish
to
talk
about
in
greater
detail,
was
to
at
least
initially
raise
the
question
of
a
board
retreat,
there's
been
some
expression
of
interest
and
particular
with
kirt.
B
It
has
been
a
number
of
years
since
the
board
has
had
her
treatment,
probably
close
to
a
situation
where
you
see
the
majority
of
the
vast
majority
of
the
board
has
not
had
a
chance
to
sort
of
sit
down,
and
you
know
I
think
it
is
worthwhile
for
a
board
to
periodically
get
together
kind
of
off-site.
It's
still
a
public
meeting
but
kind
of
off-site
in
a
more
casual
setting
to
discuss
issues,
many
of
which
are
frankly
just
sort
of
board
functioning
issues.
B
And
now
or
you
know,
what
do
people
feel
is
working
well
and
what
things
need
to
be
done
differently
and
you
had
a
chance
to
talk
through
those.
Often
there
was
a
presentation
from
maybe
the
City
Attorney's
office
to
review
certain
basic
things
about.
You
know,
document
retention,
public
meetings,
rules-
just
you
know
remind
us
all
of
those,
and
there
may
be.
You
know
some
substantive
issue
that
people
also
would
like
staffed.
You
know
kind
of
lead
a
discussion
on,
but
that's
these
to
my
mind,
it's
not
the
central
purpose
of
our
tree.
B
You
know
will
presumably
have
another
board
member
in
April,
so
these
to
my
mind,
it
would
make
more
sense
to
wait
for
that.
Rather
than
to
try
to
rush,
we
had
a
retreat
done.
Only
to
you
know
have
that
change
occur.
So
I
don't
want
to
be
the
person
who's
sort
of
leading
the
charge
on
this,
because
it's
really
much
more
about
what
you
all
would
feel
would
be
useful,
but
I
did
want
a
at
minimum
float.
B
The
issue
see
if
there
are
initial
reactions,
but
also
you
know,
get
people
a
chance
to
you
know,
go
home
and
ponder
it
and
then
come
back
in
January.
Ready
to
you
know,
make
a
firm
decision
on
whether
you
want
to
hold
a
retreat
and,
if
so,
when
and
well
you
know
what
kind
of
topics
you
would
like
to
have
prepared
for
discussion.
I.
E
Yeah
I
definitely
support
that
I
think
you
know
having
an
opportunity
to
get
together.
Informally,
you
know
for
conversations
is,
is
excellent
and
is
very
productive.
In
you
know
there
I'm
sure
there
are
will
be
issues
or
topics
that
we
can.
We
can
consider
for
the
agenda,
but
I
think
it's
very
beneficial
for
us
to
get
together
in
a
more
informal,
whay
and
off-site,
and
you
know
just
kind
of
have
a
little
more
relaxed
environment
to
talk
about
things.
E
A
B
C
Our
directors
team
meets
tomorrow,
in
fact,
in
what
we
call
agenda
setting
meeting.
So
we
look
at
the
board
means
that
over
the
next
three
months,
council,
all
staff
means
if
we
plug
in
certain
things.
So
why
don't?
We
take
a
look
at
some
date
scenarios
for
what
I'm
kind
of
thinking
is
right
no
later
than
early
May,
but
April
early,
May
kind
of
thing,
and
maybe
we
could
come
in
January-
was
with
some
potential
dates
that
might
work
and.
E
C
What
I
was
also
going
to
suggest
is
perhaps
in
January,
if
you
guys
want
to
appoint
a
liaison.
That
could
then
work,
because
we
might
have
there's
a
collection
of
six
or
seven
things
that
we
as
a
staff.
We
feel
are
useful
and
bounce
it
off
of
a
board
liaison
who
could
kind
of
and
then
come
back
at
a
later
date
to
kind
of
flush
out
an
agenda
in.
B
One
topic
I
would
just
recommend
for
your
consideration,
because
it
reflects
a
fairly
significant
change
in
the
last
few
years
from
how
this
board
has
operated,
which
is
lately.
We've
been
drafting
a
fair
number
of
fairly
detailed
statements
to
counsel,
and
there
are
pros
and
cons
to
that.
I
mean
big.
You
asleep,
ro
is
that
it
allows
us
to
provide
more
information
to
counsel
in
some
context
and
make
rather
than
just
a
simple
motion.
That
might
only
be
one
sense.
B
You
know
how
that's
working
and
maybe
get
some
candid
feedback
from
staff
on
their
own
impressions
of
seeing
both
the
positives
of
some
I
think
some
very
good
output,
but
also
some
challenging
process.
As
we,
you
know,
people
sit
up
here
and
try
to
work
their
way
through
a
potentially
lengthy
document.
So
I
would
just
encourage,
because
I
think
that
is
has
been
a
change
in
the
last
two
to
three
years
from
a
fairly
long-standing
prior
practice
and.
E
I
think
that
would
be
that
topic
would
be
very
useful
as
we
kind
of
enter
into
the
South
Boulder
Creek
parade.
You
know
issues
you
know
kind
of
later
part
of
next
year,
so
that
you
know
we
have
a
conversation.
I
think
it
would
be,
it
would
be,
or
would
have
been
really
good
to
have
just
a
conversation
amongst
ourselves
on
south
boulder
creek
issues.
E
You
know
in
kind
of
g
you
what
do
you
think
so
that,
rather
than
being
in
a
formal
setting,
you
know
and
having
to
kind
of
talk
through
it,
we
would
have
a
chance
to.
You
know
just
talk
amongst
ourselves
and
get
a
better
understanding
of
you
know
where
people
are
coming
from
and
what
people
think
are.
You
know
things
that
we
really
need
to
be
and.
G
I
just
wanted
to
thank
staff
members
for
hosting
such
an
amazing
volunteer
celebration.
It
was
really
remarkable
to
see
all
the
different
people
in
programs
that
are
getting
volunteerism.
I
have
to
say
when
we
talk
about
science
and
all
the
other
ways,
we
engage
people.
It's
really
clear
that
volunteering
for
the
department
is
the
real
way
that
you
get
involved
and
so
I
just
really
wanted
to.
Thank
you
for
hosting
such
a
nice
evening
and
also
to
cook
you
know
ray
you
come
to
our
meetings.
G
Every
evening,
you're
booked
on
the
geology
of
Boulder
County
was
the
most
sought
after
item
I
realize
it's
it's
song
for
125
dollars
on
Amazon.
So
it's
no
wonder.
People
were
trying
to
get
it,
but
in
any
case,
thank
you.
So
much
for
doing
that.
I
hope
we
keep
that
tradition
up
and
I
feel
I'm
feel
sure
that
everybody
there
really
felt
the
same
way.
So
thank
you.