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A
Small
but
big
there
we
go
small
but
big
change.
On
page
one
agenda
item
three,
the
second
paragraph
discussing
the
comment
we
got
from
Beth
Potter,
it
should
say
instead
of
they
do
deem
it
necessary
to
get
involved
at
this
time.
It
should
say
they
do
not
deem
it
necessary.
You
may
have
already
caught
that.
Did
anybody
else
have
any.
B
B
A
C
I've
got
a
couple:
you
know
in
referencing
the
State
Natural
Area,
it's
referenced
in
various,
what
he's
in
the
minutes
and
it
should
be
formally
the
South
Boulder
Creek
Natural
Area
is
the
actual
title.
So
on
page
two
and
under
public
comments
line
one
and
that's
even
a
little
confusing,
see
you
South
State
Natural
Area
there.
C
C
A
A
A
So
the
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
public
comment
for
items
not
identified
for
a
public
hearing,
and
the
issue
of
the
AG
leasing
is
not
formally
identified
for
a
public
hearing.
So
now
would
be
the
time
to
speak.
To
that
we
have
so
far.
One
person
signed
up
two
people
signed
up
so
and
I
apologize
if
I
mess
up
your
name
but
Elena
I
think
it's
zooboo
lake
or
Zablocki.
A
D
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
My
name
is
Elaine
azubu
Lackey
I
live
at
7602
Arapaho
and
I
am
here
in
support
of
the
bid
that
Jacob
Springs
farm
is
making
for
the
Lewes
property.
The
points
that
I
want
to
address
tonight
are
primarily
injustice
in
the
bidding
process.
Boulder
has
a
history
of
injustice
towards
minorities,
and
this
has
showed
up
in
this
bidding
process
and
there's
not
a
good
system
at
this
point
of
checks
and
balances
to
really
look
at
who
is
being
chosen
to
inhabit
this
important
land
in
Boulder.
D
This
is
a
gift
that
we
have
to
give
to
farmers
and,
at
this
point
of
the
15,000
acres
of
land
that
has
been
given
in
Boulder
County,
zero
have
been
given
to
minority
farmers.
Another
discrepancy
in
this
process
is
that
the
city
now
defines
experience
by
age.
This
is
problematic
because
there
are
young
farmers
out
there
who
have
a
lot
of
experience
and
there
have
been
cases
of
farmers
who
might
be
40
years
old,
but
they've
only
firmed
hay.
D
So
my
understanding
is
that
the
bidding
process
says
that
we
prioritize
giving
land
to
farmers
who
are
sustainably
oriented
who
are
oriented
toward
regenerate
regenerative,
diverse
practices
of
farming.
If
we're
giving
this
farm
land
to
farmers
who
are
primarily
just
farming,
hay
and
who
are
older
white
farmers,
let
me
just
say,
then:
we're
not
really
promoting
diversity
in
our
farms
either
on
the
farms
in
terms
of
the
health
of
the
land.
D
We
have
to
really
understand
who
the
farmers
are,
who
are
applying
for
these
lens,
and
we
have
to
understand
that
it's
actually
the
responsibility
of
the
city
to
start
to
take
into
account
that
we
have
historically
pushed
out
people
of
color
and
pushed
out
minorities
in
terms
of
money
in
class
and
pushed
out
young
people.
So
we
have
to
like
make
active
steps
towards
this.
D
So
can
there
be
a
community
council
who
looks
at
the
past
bids
and
assesses
whether
there
has
actually
been
a
meeting
of
these
standards
that
have
been
spoken
and
can
there
be
a
council
who's
actually
looking
at
these
choices
as
to
who's?
Who
gets
this
land
who
gets
to
farm
on
this
land?
Well,
that's
my
proposal.
Thank
you.
Okay,
thank.
E
Jacob
Springs
farm
7,
602
Arapaho,
also
speaking
to
agricultural
assignment
policies,
and
so
on
and
I
am
very
grateful
for
positive
steps
that
have
been
taken,
the
direction
of
being
more
clear
and
transparent
about
what
the
criteria
are.
However,
what
I
wanted
to
put
up
on
the
on
the
board
but
didn't
get
didn't
get
that
through,
but
hopefully
later
are
this
last
round
of
bids
again
the
winning
bidder
had
a
three-page
I
would
say
low
effort
bid.
E
That
said,
absolutely
nothing
about
local
food
very
little
about
conservation,
nothing
about
regenerative
agriculture
again,
a
three
page
bid
proposing
a
basic
hay
operation,
our
farm
and
two
other.
What
I
would
describe
as
regenerative
bids
got
much
lower
scores
even
on
the
area
of
fit
fits
to
the
agricultural
resource
plan,
so
the
winning
bidder
got
a
ten
point,
Oh
on
Fitz
to
the
agricultural
resource
management
plan,
with
this
three-page
low
involvement,
low
effort
bid.
E
That
said,
nothing
about
all
of
these
important
things
that
the
plan,
which
we've
just
gone
through
this
huge
process
to
develop,
emphasizes
where,
as
our
bid
as
well
as
two
others,
which
I
would
consider
regenerative,
really
positive
bids
got
much
lower
scores.
We
got
a
seven
point
four
and
the
other
two
got
lower
scores
than
us
in
terms
of
fit
to
the
plan
and
I
think
that's
hard
to
justify.
There
are
also
other
things.
Elena
mentioned
experience.
E
It
seems,
like
experience,
gets
a
ten
when
you're,
just
old,
regardless
of
how
broad
or
diverse
your
experience
is
with
regard
to
things
like
regenerative
agriculture,
so
I
really
I'm
really
encouraged
by
the
fact
that
we
now
for
the
first
time,
have
a
score
that
we
can
look
at.
We
now
have
something
that
we
can
question.
We
can
say
okay.
E
E
I
think
2.5
percent
of
our
acres
are
in
regenerative
agriculture
and
I.
Think,
aside
from
one
micro,
dairy
I,
don't
believe
we
have
anybody
involved
in
regenerative
grazing
practices
and
most
of
our
agricultural
lands
are
most
suitable
to
livestock
operations
and
regenerative
grazing
and
so
I
think
something
needs
to
be
done
about
this.
I
do
have
a
selfish
motivation.
I
am
one
of
those
operators.
E
I
have
been
losing
bid
after
bid
when
I
put
a
lot
of
energy
and
effort
into
bids
that
I
am
proud
of
when
I
believe
that
I
have
a
great
resume
and
I
have
a
great
track
record
in
this
county
for
more
than
twenty
years
involved
in
agriculture,
and
so
I
just
urge
you
to
take
a
close
look
at
that
and
direct
staff
to
actually
make
their
decisions
that
we
we
say
we
want.
So.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
F
G
Thank
you,
Dan
I
bought
just
that
this
is
gonna,
be
a
super
brief
update,
a
few
slides,
but
we
thought
it
worth
showing
you
one
of
the
recent
events
here.
It
is
the
20th
annual
trash
bath,
it's
hard
to
say
it
was
on
September,
12th
and
I
think
some
of
the
board
members,
maybe
all
the
board
members,
are
aware.
This
is
a
partnership
between
the
Flatirons,
climbing
council
and
the
boulder
climbing
community
and
no
SMP,
and
we've
got
an
MoU
working
on
various
things
of
how
we
manage
climbing
in
the
system.
G
At
this
event
to
talk
about
things
like
Raptor
closures
and
other
things
like
that
regarding
education,
there
is
some
community
figures
that
have
been
involved
for
a
while
some
familiar
names,
Roger
Briggs,
Ted,
Lozano,
Scott
man,
a
gay
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
wanted
to
point
out
was
it
began
20
years
ago?
Was
it
was
Willy
miny
who
began
this,
and
some
of
you
might
be
familiar
with
Rick
Hatfield,
one
of
our
Rangers
he's
a
ranger
supervisor.
G
Now
Rick
was
one
of
the
initial
people
working
with
the
partnership,
and
to
this
day
he
helps
out
at
the
event,
from
a
staff
perspective.
Now
a
lead
coordinator
is
a
Christine
Weinberg
who
who's
our
volunteer
coordinator,
and
she
puts
her
time
into
really
making
this
a
really
good
event,
not
just
to
be
a
celebration,
but
obviously
this
part
of
the
cleanup
and
how
we
protect
the
area
of
Flagstaff.
So
just
as
final
slide
here
it
talks
about
the
fact
we
have
done
this
event
for
20
years.
It's
a
really
good
community
collaboration.
G
It's
a
great
way
to
work
with
a
couple
of
our
important
stakeholders
and
I
think
what's
important
about.
It
is
to
remember
that
Flagstaff
is
not
a
climbing
area.
It's
a
place
where
the
climbing
community,
you
want
to
give
back
and
protect
the
system.
So
that's
it
for
the
update
and
if
anyone
would
like
to
attend
like
next
year,
at
myself
or
Janelle
for
Easter,
know
and
we'll
make
sure
a
board
member
can
come
along.
Okay,.
F
And
so
for
that
first
hour
we
will
be
bringing
folks
up
to
speed
on
what
we're
doing
in
terms
of
fulfilling
the
prairie
dog
work.
I'm
going
to
do
working
group
recommendations
and
prairie
dog
management
issues
that
have
been
accomplished
in
2019.
So
that
would
be
the
first
hour
of
the
open
house.
We
did
a
big
launch
of
notifying
the
public
about
the
meeting
social
media
posts
through
our
OSP
email
lists,
signage
trail,
heads
in
the
area
and,
of
course,
there's
an
update,
update
on
the
project
webs
webpage,
the
purpose
of
this
first
open
house.
F
This
engagement
window
is
really
to
provide
an
opportunity
for
community
members
to
learn
more
about
the
challenges
that
we're
facing
in
our
agricultural
irrigated
lands
with
the
high
presence
of
prairie
dogs
and
to
also
solicit
their
ideas
on
how
possibly
we
can
address
the
solutions,
how
we
can
come
up
with
some
such
solutions
to
the
situation.
We'll
also
have
an
online
tool
that
will
be
an
opportunity
for
community
members
to
review
the
informational
materials
that
are
put
out
for
this
and
and
and
so,
if
they're
unable
to
attend.
F
The
items
that
are
noticed
in
our
agenda
and
we're
gonna
is
Jeff
in
the
audience
Jeff's
here,
yay,
okay,
Jeff
from
the
shiitake
Colorado
Chautauqua
Association,
is
going
to
give
us
a
brief
update
on
an
initiative
that
is
ongoing
between
the
city
and
CCA
right
now,
looking
at
sustainability
and
resilience
for
the
community,
there
I
actually
serve
on
the
steering
committee,
if
you
will
for
that,
along
with
a
number
of
other
department
staff
and
Chautauqua
Association
folks.
So
it's
a
it's
an
interesting
project
that
is
underway
so
Jeff.
If
you
wouldn't
mind.
H
Good
evening
my
name
is
Jeff
mednik
and
I'm,
the
director
of
preservation
and
sustainability
for
Colorado
Chautauqua
and,
as
Dan
said
I'm
here
just
to
introduce
this
project
that
we're
working
on
now
we're
visiting
the
various
boards
and
informing
them
of
what's
going
on
up
there
so
well,
just
a
early
photo
should
talk.
I'm
sure
many
of
you
used
to
I've
seen
this
before.
H
When
the
only
things
up
there
were
the
auditorium,
the
dining
hall,
both
built
in
1898
and
52
days
simultaneously
and
the
rest
was
just
a
tent
village,
basically
for
the
first
couple
of
years
until
the
cottages
started
to
appear
in
1899,
first
cottages
showed
up
demonstrating
this
slide
just
showing.
Basically,
these
on
the
left
is
I'm.
Sorry
on
the
right
is
the
historic
district.
H
Sustainability
resilience
to
get
Chautauqua.
So
as
we
as
we
all
know,
and
as
this
slide
demonstrates
that
we're
literally
surrounded
by
open
space.
So
the
the
green
outline
is
the
Chautauqua
campus
or
I'm
sorry,
the
district
and
then
other
than
the
green
operated
by
Parks
and
Rec.
The
rest
is
all
about
it:
by
open
space,
mountain
parks,
so
we've
contracted,
we
put
out
an
RFP
and
we've
contracted
the
company
called
resilient
analytics,
there's
a
paul
Janowski,
who
is
a
professor
at
CU.
H
So
as
a
local
company,
this
was
a
national
RFP
that
was
distributed
and
some
of
the
modeling
that
Paul
has
done
and
has
an
admit
it's
out.
There
has
shown
that
over
time
with
a
1.5
degree,
Celsius
increase
in
temperature
Boulder
will
basically
adopt
the
climate
of
Albuquerque
is
what's
predicted
here.
H
So
this
is
sort
of
what
we're,
what
we're
looking
at,
what
we're
all
aware
of
and
what
we're
emphasizing
the
slide
is
showing
what's
going
to
happen
with
potentially
again
with
the
models,
what's
going
to
happen
with
drought
conditions,
and
these
are
the
cumulative
months.
So
the
the
red
line
on
top
is
extreme
or
heavy
drought
which
will
be
replaced
by
mile
drought,
which
is
the
lower
line
on
the
bottom,
and
these
are
sort
of
extrapolated
numbers.
You
know
from
historical
past
what
I've
come
to
realize
too.
H
When
we
talk
about
drought
in
this
model,
it's
not
just
how
many
days
we
go
or
how
long
we
go
without
rain,
but
it's
the
moisture
content
of
the
top
eight
inches
of
soil
is
the
index
that
they
use.
So
we
may
get
a
one
of
the
things
that
is
being
sort
of
the
modeling
is
showing
is
to
is.
There
are
rain.
Events
will
be
potentially
much
more
intense,
so
maybe
the
same
amount
of
annual
rainfall,
but
in
more
intense
events.
H
So
when
that
rain,
or
that
rainfall
happens,
that
quickly,
you
get
a
lot
more
runoff
so
that
the
water
doesn't
get
a
chance
to
percolate
into
that
top
eight
inches
of
soil.
So
that's
what
we're
really
talking
about
drought,
not
just
days
without
rain.
We
did
just
go
through.
We
had
a
hundred
and
thirty
this
recently,
one
hundred
and
thirty
three
consecutive
days
of
what
they
call
Sunday's.
H
So
through
this
this
project,
our
goal
is
to
identify
vulnerabilities
and
sensitive
historic
resources
while
collaboratively
developing
a
long-term
plan
for
achieving
sustainability
and
resilience
at
Chautauqua.
As
we
all
know,
Chautauqua
is
very
well
loved,
sometimes
over
loved,
but
we
all
want
to
protect
it
and
make
sure
that
it's
there
for
the
for
the
next
hundred
two
hundred
years.
H
So
what
we'll
be
doing
the
project
steps
right
now
we're
in
the
step
number
one,
which
is
a
vulnerability
and
opportunities
assessment.
So
to
date,
we've
done
three
vulnerability:
assessment
walks
of
the
site
with
city
of
Boulder
representatives,
CCA
representative
representatives
and
our
consultant,
and
identifying
what
are
our
biggest
threats
or
our
biggest
vulnerable
areas.
And
you
know
some
sort
of
the
the
no-brainers
are
fire
and
flood,
which
is
something
that
we're
paying
very
close
attention.
H
Drainage
is
a
big
issue
at
Chautauqua
if
you're
familiar
with
the
site,
there's
about
a
250
foot,
elevation
gain
from
baseline
road
to
the
top
of
Kinnickinnic
Road
and
that
water
runs
down
at
quite
a
velocity.
We
did
very
well
in
the
2013
flood,
but
not
to
say
we
would
again
so
a
lining
of
goals
and
options.
Development
will
be
phase
two
and
then
completion
of
the
strategy,
and
the
timeline
is
basically
right.
H
H
Our
next
open
house
is
December,
2nd
and
then
Tuesday
February
18th
will
be
the
third
open
house
and
in
the
meantime,
we,
as
Dan
said
we
have
a
steering
committee
made
up
of
folks
from
both
city
of
Boulder
and
CCA
and
we'll
have
our
periodic
meetings
to
assess
the
process,
progress
of
the
project
and
that's
basically,
you
have
any
questions
for
me.
This
was
just
to
kind
of
roll
this
out
and
let
you
know
what
we're
up
to.
H
In
2000
in
2008
it
was
when
there's
sort
of
started
that
Chautauqua
had
launched
the
initiative
to
be
the
greenest
for
lack
of
a
better
word
at
the
time,
or
now
we
say
most
sustainably
operated
national
historic
landmark
in
the
country.
So
we've
been
on
this
path
for
many
years,
but
really
in
earnest
for
the
last
12
years.
H
What
we
have
talked
about
as
far
as
sustainability
and
the
idea
that
you
know
Chautauqua
is
I
mean,
is
there?
How
do
we
make
this
this
historic
place?
That's
so
well
of
resilience
and
sustainable
that
it'll
be
as
things
change.
What
do
we
continue
to
do?
I
mean
my
one
of
my
jobs
as
we're
all
the
stewards
of
the
landmark.
How
do
we
protect
it?
How
do
we
make
sure
it's
there?
H
We
take
it
very
serious
as
being
the
stewards
of
that
place,
and
what
can
we
do
to
make
sure
that
it's
there
in
surviving
for
the
next
hundred
200
300
years
and
we've
had
actually
in
the
last
several
years.
This
has
always
been
a
collaborative
effort
with
the
city
of
Boulder,
but
we
have
the
Chautauqua
coordinating
team.
We
meet
monthly.
The
first
Tuesday
of
each
month
so
represent
representatives.
Excuse
me
open
space,
Parks
and
Rec
transportation,
various
city
departments
and
CCA.
We
all
we
meet
and
we
we
discuss
what's
going
on
we're
all
vested
there.
H
I
H
J
I
A
There
last
night,
here,
the
next
meeting
overlaps
with
our
our
board
meeting
and
I
thought
it
was
well
I
thought
it
was
a
very
good,
in-depth
discussion,
especially
on
some
fire
and
flood
issues,
wasn't
clear
how
many
simple
solutions
there
was
a
good
discussion
of
the
nature
of
the
problem
and
in
addition
to
what
you
discussed,
there
was
also
some
discussion
about
the
inherent
problems
of
heat
and
the
fact
that
there
tends
not
to
be
air-conditioning.
That
should
talk
one
one
of
the
things
that
hit
me.
A
It's
not
really
the
open
space
angle,
but
was
how
big
the
landmarks
dimension
to
this
is
that
a
lot
of
well,
you
might
think,
is
well
what
would
you
do
about
make
it
more
fire
resilient,
make
it
more
flood
resilient,
better
able
to
handle
the
hotter
days?
You'd
say
well,
one
thing
you
could
do,
of
course,
is
to
physically
modify
the
buildings,
but
that
very
quickly
bumps
into
the
landmarks
problem
and
I.
A
Don't
have
a
solution
for
you,
but
it
was
fairly
clear
from
that
discussion
that
you
know
you're
trying
to
walk
a
pretty
tight
line
there
of.
How
do
you
physically
make
these
buildings
more
resilient
against
the
various
threats
to
them
all
at
the
same
time,
preserving
the
character
of
it
and
I
thought
was
very
good
they're.
An
interesting
discussion
that
we
had
thank.
H
C
Of
the
things
I
think
we're
all
interested
in
is
the
visitation
levels,
and
you
know
especially
transportation,
and
so
what's
your
sense
of
how
successful
the
public
transportation
the
shuttle
is
working
is.
Is
that
something
that
is
going
to
be
worth
continuing
in
the
future
or
revising
or
expanding?
Or
what's
your
sense
of
that?
My.
H
From
observation,
because
I've
been
there
on
many
weekends
over
the
last
twelve
years,
is
that
the
camp
plan
is
working
very
well
I've
observed
in
the
past
couple
of
years,
since
that
that
program
has
got
in
its
place
that
there's
the
traffic
is
much
less
congested
and
that
what
we
felt
rolling
people
just
cruising
around
the
blocks.
Looking
for
a
space,
that's
really
almost
gone
away.
Certainly
the
people,
the
guests
residents
up
there,
are
really
enjoying
more
quiet
weekend
days.
H
I
think
the
shuttle
service
has
a
really
good
I
think
that
the
kiosks
are
well
placed
the
fact
that
there's
people
on
the
grounds
they're
directing
sort
of
ambassadors
directing
people
where
to
go,
what
to
do
how
to
handle
the
park-
and
you
know
with
the
paid
parking
so
far,
I-
think
it's
been
a
very
successful
program
and
we
were
in
I,
think
it'll
be
year,
three
of
a
five-year
pilot
and
after
five
years
that
he
would
assess.
But
my
observation
is
that
it's
working
good.
A
K
All
right
so
I
thought
I'd
just
start
with
a
quick
definition
here,
and
this
is
kind
of
the
textbook
definition
of
ecological
restoration.
So
why
would
we
want
to
have
an
open
house
about?
What's
going
on
and
there's
there's
a
broad
spectrum
as
far
as
ecological
restoration
goes,
and
everybody
probably
has
a
slightly
different
interpretation
and
like
I
said
this,
is
this
is
kind
of
a
textbook
definition,
but
you
know
really
boils
down
to
looking
at
the
system.
What
are
the
conditions,
and
where
is
it
that
we
can?
K
So,
along
with
those
kind
of
diverse
impacts,
come
diverse
tools
to
implement
our
restoration
and
really
really
its
focused
on
getting
some
of
those
natural
processes
back
in
the
system,
whether
it
be
burning
or
grazing,
or
maybe
more
kind
of
hands-on,
manipulative
thinning
or
he's
weed
whipping
cattails.
Therefore,
pond
restoration
projects,
so
it
kind
of
runs
the
spectrum
as
the
impacts
run
the
spectrum,
as
do
our
management
objectives
and
our
management
tools.
K
So
it
wouldn't
be
a
good
forest
or,
if
I
didn't
throw
in
a
forest
example.
Here,
our
forest
restoration
projects
are
a
good
example
of
kind
of
this
spectrum
of
restoration
that
we're
doing
on
the
system
and
across
the
system.
This
is
an
area
on
Flagstaff,
where
you
can
see
treated
on
the
right
and
untreated
on
the
left,
and
really
this
was
kind
of
in
that
manipulative
mechanical
thinning
side
of
things.
K
K
Are
we
getting
function
back
in
those
systems,
not
just
addressing
one
one
aspect
of
it,
so
the
monitoring
is
just
as
important
as
as
the
on-the-ground
management
and
like
I
said
so
this
this
runs
a
huge
gamut
of
projects
on
open
space
amount
parks,
everything
from
leopard
frogs.
You
know
kind
of
addressing
pond
habitats,
forest
management,
prairie
dogs,
there's
a
there's,
a
restoration
component.
There,
AG
and
soils
we're
gonna
hear
a
little
bit
more
about
that
hollow
grass,
social
trails,
collection
of
native
materials.
K
Really,
it's
just
an
opportunity
for
us,
like
I,
said
kind
of
outline
where
we've
been
the
projects
that
we've
worked
on
and
then
areas
where
we're
going.
You
know
kind
of
projects
that
people
could
expect
to
see
in
2020,
2021
and
down
the
road
as
far
as
really
addressing
some
of
those
those
ecological
impacts
across
the
system
and
and
trying
to
do
good
good
across
the
system.
So
that's
really
what
the
ecological
restoration
open
house
is
about.
Tell
your
friends
tell
your
family
and
hopefully
see
you
there.
So
that's!
That's
all
I've
got
any.
L
L
I
am
gonna,
beat
the
drum
for
a
while
anyway,
to
try
to
focus
in
as
many
places
as
we
can
to
educate
the
public
about
what's
going
on
here
and
why
we're
doing
it
and
I
know
it
takes
more
time
and
more
money,
but
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
places
where,
if
we
don't
call
people's
attention
to
it,
they
won't
know
that's
happening
or
think
about
the
goshawk
loop.
There's
a
lot
of
thinning
going
on
down
there.
Why
are
all
these
people
doing
your
thinning?
L
M
K
N
K
K
F
M
About
a
30-second
update,
so
we
had
put
this
on
the
agenda,
because
council
had
the
first
reading
of
the
2020
budget
thinking,
we
would
have
some
things
to
talk
about,
but
we
actually
had
no
open
space
questions
from
that
from
Council
and
we've
heard
only
good
things
from
finance
about
the
2020
budget.
So
things
are
on
track.
M
We
have
second
reading
on
Tuesday
and
we
may
get
questions
then
and
we'll
let
you
know
if
we
do,
but
all
is
well
on
the
2020
budget
front,
we're
wrapping
up
our
q3
2019
work
and
things
are
look
pretty
exactly
on
track.
For
the
current
year
budget
we
go
through
a
process
twice
a
year
called
the
adjustment
to
base
which
is
coming
up
right
now,
it's
an
opportunity,
if
you
missed
anything
major
in
your
current
year
budget
to
bring
that
to
Council
and
have
it
approved.
M
We
won't
have
anything
that
we
need
to
put
forward
capital
budgets
around
track
operating
as
well
and
so
now
in
terms
of
our
business
rhythm
after
we
go
to
second
reading
with
council,
we'll
be
working
on
our
2021
work
plan,
we're
in
the
middle
of
that
process.
Now
so
short
and
sweet,
that's
all
I've
got
any
questions.
Oh
just.
L
M
Probably
have
more
to
tell
you
on
that.
A
couple
of
months
we've
been
having
a
number
of
meetings
with
the
work
plan
steering
team
the
master
plan
team
trying
to
integrate
those
two
processes.
We've
made
a
number
of
changes
in
our
work
planning
system
to
make
sure
that
we're
understanding
where
each
project
links
in
terms
of
the
tiers
we've
put
forward
in
the
master
plan,
how
we
want
to
be
able
to
come
forward
and
do
reporting
for
you
on
master
plan
progress,
but
nothing
set
in
stone
just
yet.
F
Incurred
the
duty
of
the
timing
of
a
September
approval,
but
yet
all
the
CIP
projects,
for
instance,
for
2020,
were
already
identified,
so
2020
is
sort
of
that
transition
here,
so
we'll
be
really
20.
So
we're
trying
to
build
the
connections
now
of
how
we're
going
to
make
connections
to
be
able
to
report
back
on
how
budget
aligns
with
master
plan
strategies,
but
really
the
full
implementation
of
budget
and
work
plan
in
alignment
with
master
plan.
We're
looking
at
2021
kind
of.
M
L
M
One
of
the
things
we
do
as
a
city
anytime,
there's
an
initiative
going
for,
is
we
don't
assume
that
it'll
pass
when
we
build
the
budget,
so
the
2020
budget
makes
no
assumption
of
anything
happening
in
November
and
then
what
will
happen
if
it
does
pass,
is
through
the
first
adjustment
to
base
in
the
spring.
We
would
be
able
to
appropriate
those
dollars
to
our
budget
and
make
any
decisions
we
need
to
make
at
that
time.
A
F
O
Thanks
Dan,
as
Dan
mentioned,
I'm
Andy
Pell,
sir,
the
AEGON
water,
stewardship
supervisor
and
I'm
gonna
review
for
you
that
assignment
guidelines
that
we
have
developed.
We
use
these
guidelines
and
our
assignment
procedures
in
2018,
and
we
plan
to
use
them
again
in
2019
before
we
get
specifically
in
the
guidelines.
I
want
to
step
back
and
take
a
look
at
the
agriculture
summit
objectives
from
the
AG
resources
management
plan.
I'm
gonna
refer
to
it
as
the
AG
plan
as
I
go
through
the
presentation.
That's
just
a
lot
of
words
to
get
out.
O
O
O
O
If
we
break
down
our
landscape
a
little
further,
we
have
about
7,000
acres
that
are
irrigated
and
only
about
5,000
of
these
have
been
converted
to
agricultural
vegetation
types.
So
we
are
irrigating
like
this.
Some
of
the
tar
s
natural
areas,
for
example,
are
irrigated
and
only
really
suitable
for
livestock
production.
O
If,
if
we
look
even
closer
at,
there
are
even
fewer
combinations
where
soil,
quality
and
very
senior
water
rights
come
together
that
might
be
suitable
for
season-long,
small
grain
or
vegetable
type
reduction.
Even
so,
we
have
committed
to
maintain
and
support
diversity
of
agricultural
operations
to
meet
the
needs
of
local
farmers
and
ranchers,
with
the
exception
of
of
GMO
type
agriculture.
O
Well,
in
the
AG
plan,
we
also
established
some
guidelines
for
identifying
which
properties
might
be
suitable
to
to
convert
into
diversified
vegetables
or
pasture
livestock
systems.
I
think
we
had
identified
nine
or
ten
sites
as
part
of
the
plan
as
well,
but
as
we
make
acquisitions,
for
example,
we'll
use
those
guidelines
to
to
identify
those
sites
for
a
future
conversion.
O
Also
in
the
AG
plan,
we
identified
integrated
stewardship
as
a
programmatic
priority.
We
have
a
bard
large
water
portfolio
and
we
want
to
continue
to
use
that
to
support
agricultural
activity
on
city-owned
lands.
You
know
by,
we
certainly
want
or
operator
to
be
successful.
We
could
be
good
stewards
of
our
property
and
we
want
important
habitats
and
ecological
values
or
sensitive
species
to
be
protected
or
enhanced
when
possible.
O
O
We
do
acquire
property
from
time
to
time,
and
sometimes
it
does
have
agricultural
value,
so
land
might
be
available
at
that
point,
and
we
also
do
have
some
properties
that
aren't
leased,
that
we
may
want
at
least
from
time
to
time
that
have
have
some
potential
for
agricultural
use
in
the
AG
assignment
guidelines.
We
have
identified
two
methods
of
assignment
that
we
believe
helps
us
achieve
these
goals.
O
O
Well,
an
operator
I
had
a
stroke
and
couldn't
operate
some
of
his
property,
so
we
had
to
make
assignment
2
to
an
operation
to
make
that
one
happen.
The
second
method
of
assignment
is
a
competitive,
sealed
proposals.
S
and
we
use
this
process
when,
when
lands
have
significant
agricultural
value,
when
we've
heard
quite
a
bit
of
interested
they're,
quite
a
bit
of
interest
from
the
agricultural
community,
we
have
ease
this
process
to
convert
properties
into
diverse
agricultural
upward
opportunities,
and
we
also
use
this
process
when
there's
a
property
acquisition.
O
In
in
the
competitive
sealed
proposals
process,
there
is
a
staff
team
that
evaluates
the
proposals.
There's
a
staff
team
of
four
one
of
which
is
not
an
agricultural
staff
member
each
member
takes
the
proposals,
evaluates
and
scores
them
independently
and
agrees
that
they
won't
won't
discuss
their
proposal
with
other
members
of
the
team
until
we
meet
as
a
as
a
team
to
make
a
final
decision
when
all
of
the
criteria
are
scored
and
we
make
a
final
selection.
This
recommendation
is
forward
to
the
resource
and
stewardship
manager
and
for
the
purpose
as
a
transparency.
O
O
When
we
look
at
agricultural
experience,
proposers
that
demonstrate
more
than
10
years
of
experience
get
awarded
into
the
highest
category
of
experience
and
that's
eight
to
ten.
A
proposal
with
many
of
many
years
of
experience
can
only
receive
a
score
of
10
and
all
proposers
are
evaluated
relative
to
each
other.
For
example,
if
a
proposal
with
30
years
of
experience
applies,
they
could
get
rated
a
score
of
10.
If
a
proposal
with
10
years
of
experience
applies,
they
may
get
a
score
of
8
in
that
same
category
when
they're
rated
relative
to
one
another.
O
And
those
proposals
with
fewer
use,
fewer
years
of
experience
or
less
description
of
best
practices
or
would
be
rated
lower,
and
it's
also
important
to
note
that
each
criteria
has
an
unable
to
assess
category.
So
if
there
isn't
enough
information
provided
the
raters
to
have
the
opportunity
to
use
that
in
looking
at
fit
our
proposed
operation,
this
criterion
is
evaluated
based
on
this
specific
property
management
objectives.
O
The
proposers
that
identify
the
most
proven
practices
or
achieve
multiple
AG
land
goals
will
be
awarded
the
highest
scores.
Local
marketing
is
a
factor
in
this
criterion
as
well
proposals
not
consistent
with
our
management
objectives
or
AG
plan
goals.
Typically,
we'll
get
a
lower
score
and
an
example
here
of
fit
of
an
operation.
O
That
obviously
doesn't
achieve
the
objective
of
preserving
Bobolink
nesting
habitat,
and
so
in
that
case,
even
though
someone
may
propose
very
good
practices
for
a
growing
grain
or
a
different
crop,
that
does
not
achieve
the
Bobolink
management
objective
for
that
property,
and
these
write
these
goals
are
stated
in
the
invitation
for
proposal
in
looking
at
equipment
available.
It's
it's
certainly
desirable
from
our
perspective
that
field
operations
happen
in
a
timely
manner.
O
There
are
some
best
practice.
Implementation
windows
that
can
be
short
proposers
who
demonstrate
ownership
and
have
you
know
easy
access
to
equipment,
would
be
awarded
a
higher
score,
those
that
might
be
reliant
upon
custom
operations
or
have
to
purchase
equipment
to
do
what
they
say.
They're
gonna
do
would
be
awarded
a
slight
lower
score
in
this
category.
O
O
O
We
we
have
identified
appeal
procedures.
Any
interested
party
can
appeal
a
determination
of
any
assignment
action
that
could
be
if
a
property
is
put
up
to
bid
for
not
or
not
could
be,
the
type
of
assignment
that
we
use,
whether
it's
a
negotiated
assignment
or
whether
it's
a
invitation
for
proposals
to
do
so.
The
appellant
would
be
required
to
submit
their
per
their
appeal
in
writing.
O
P
It
would
be
in
the
case
of
an
assignment
and
method.
It
may
be
anyone.
It
could
be
anyone,
particularly
someone
who
might
want
to
bid
on
the
on
the
property
if
it
were
then
selected
for
a
competitive
proposals
instead
of
a
negotiated
assignment
for
one
of
the
four,
the
scoring
on
the
process.
That
would
be
one
of
the
other
one
of
the
other
most
proposal.
People
would
be
an
interested
party,
their.
O
Have
four
we?
We
did
have
an
example
earlier
this
spring,
where
we
we
did
make
an
assignment
of
the
property
to
an
existing
tenant
and
a
neighbor.
They
were
actually
on
our
list.
So
we
we
have
people
sign
up
on
on
our
website
and
we
have
a
list
of
a
hundred
to
120
interested
parties
that
get
notification.
When
anything
happens
in
in
the
agricultural
program,
one
of
those
members
did
call
or
did
right
to
appeal
that
decision
to
make
the
assignment
and.
P
A
And
I
think
that's
actually
probably
broader
than
the
way
bid
challenges
are
normally
handled.
The
man
certainly
like
in
a
federal
bid.
Only
the
losing
bidders
would
have
standing
to
complain
about
a
bid
award.
If
someone
just
said
gee
I
just
think
that
person
or
that
company
doesn't
make
very
good
products,
say
they're.
You
know
that
person
wouldn't
normally
have
standing.
L
P
Yeah
well
so
this
is
the
second
year
we'll
use
this
approach
where
we
had
an
appeal
process
in
place.
Prior
to
this,
we
didn't
really
have
any
sort
of
appeal
process,
and
that
was
something
that
the
community
brought
forward.
So
we're
really
trying
to
get
dialed
this
in
and
get
it
right.
We
did
have
a
couple
of
Appeals
as
any
mentioned
last
year,
and
we've
been
able
to
learn
from
how
that
went
to
improve
our
process
in
this,
and
you
know
I
think
we.
P
I
I
mentioned
that,
just
because
we
did
have
public
testimony
on
this
topic
and
I
for
one
I'm,
not
scared
to
jump
in
as
a
young
face,
I
happen
to
be
an
investment
advisor,
and
in
reading
this,
it
reminds
me
of
my
own
industry,
where
people
have
really
gone
out
of
their
way
to
make
it
very
difficult
to
enter
a
space,
for
example,
to
get
brokerage
licenses.
You
often
have
to
be
employed
by
a
brokerage
firm
before
you
can
be
licensed
and
they
create
this
terrible
chicken-and-egg
situation
that
becomes
quite
exclusive.
I
Ultimately,
while
each
of
these
criterion,
I
think
makes
a
lot
of
sense
viewed
individually
to
the
younger
reader.
The
the
net
element
here
is,
unless
I've
been
doing
this
for
a
long
time
as
exactly
as
traditionally
accepted,
I
am
going
to
be
quantitatively
diminished.
I
think
it's
an
important
question
for
us
to
consider,
because
at
first
I'd
love
to
ask
well
obviously
we're
trying
to
avoid
failed
leases.
I
P
P
I
B
P
Well,
typically,
a
young
farmer
or
Rancher
might
come
up
through
with
a
family
business
and
and
gain
capital
and
experience
through
working
with
in
their
with
their
family.
That
happens
in
some
cases
on
our
properties.
More
often
than
not.
What
we're
we're
hearing
are
the
young
farmers
and
ranchers
who
sort
of
apprentice
saying
or
working
as
farm
managers
or
ranch
hands
on
properties,
and
they
they
don't
have
access
to
land.
P
We
also
have
really
most
a
lot
of
our
opportunities
are
large
acreages
that
that
really
depend
on
quite
significant
herds
and-
and
you
know
it's-
it's
not
an
entry-level
opportunity
necessary
now
some
are,
and
those
are
the
ones
that
I
think
you
know
we
are
focused
more
on
those
that
type
of
use
in
that
type
of
transition
on
those
properties.
But
it's
it's
an
evolving
process.
O
I
think
that's
true,
and
in
looking
back,
I
think
the
city
and
county
open
space
have
struggled
in
this
area.
As
far
as
how
do
we
start
new
new
operations
on
open
space,
these
guidelines
would
give
us
a
flexibility,
for
example,
to
do
a
specific
invitation
for
proposals
for
a
first-time
farmer,
for
example,
we
could
modify
their
criteria.
A
Wanted
to
underscore
what
Hal
said,
because
I
strongly
agree
with
what
he
was
saying
and
a
couple
things
one.
It
did
strike
me
that
45
points
is
an
awful
lot
of
the
total
way
to
assign
you
know
to
existing
experience.
There's
an
awful
lot
of
ways
that
you
know
someone
can
become
skilled
other
than
through
that
it
did
seem
like
wow.
If
someone's
been
doing
this
for
a
while,
it
makes
it
very
difficult
for
anyone
to
make
a
successful
competitive
bid
for
that
operation.
A
I
also
think
and
I
don't
mean
in
any
way
to
diminish
the
importance
of
you
know:
people
not
messing
up
when
they're
working
our
lands,
but
this
isn't
quite
the
same
as
some
lines
of
work
where
you
sort
of
hand
something
off
to
someone,
and
then
they
do
everything
kind
of
behind
the
scenes,
and
you
have
to
just
sort
of
trust
that
they
know
what
they're
doing.
And
then
you
see
the
deliverable
a
year
or
two
down
the
road.
A
Having
very
little
insight
into
what
they've
been
doing,
I
mean
most
of
what
the
farmers
are
doing
is
relatively
observable
to
us
and
if
we're
taking
some
risk
on
someone
with
less
experience
and
they're,
you
know
messing
up
I
would
think
it
wouldn't
be
that
long
before
we
would
start
to
have
some
questions
about
wait.
A
minute
is
this
person
doing
good
job
and
so
as
you're
sort
of
balancing
the
risk
of
well?
A
There
are
risks
associated
with
taking
on
someone
who
has
less
demonstrated
experience,
but
on
their
hand,
there
are
risks
associated
with
you
know
not
being
welcoming
and
inclusive
to
new
people.
I
do
see
that
balance
a
little
bit
differently
and
you
know,
would
you
know
my
point
of
view.
We
may
be
down
wait.
A
L
This
is
sort
of
focused
on
each
individual
property
and
how
we're
gonna
do
it?
How
we're
gonna
manage
the
assignment
if
it
would
be
useful
to
have
sort
of
a
five-year
plan
that
doesn't
control
any
individual
assignment,
but
it
says
in
the
near
term
we're
gonna
try
to
shoot
for
this
much
this
number
of
properties
or
this
amount
of
acreage
being
offered
each
year.
Maybe
we're
gonna
try
to
have
a
specialty
program.
That's
gonna
focus
in
this
area
with
so
many
properties.
L
Again,
it's
just
sort
of
the
the
meta
goals,
and
we
can
you
know
we
can
tell
you
what
we
think
about
those
meta
goals.
You
know
it's
sort
of
below
the
level
the
AG
plan,
but
it
sits
above
the
level
of
individual
selections,
and
in
that
way
we
could
have
this
discussion
and
give
you
some
support
for
that,
because
this
is
always
a
tricky
thing.
L
A
I
clarify
something
very
basic:
are
these
also
the
guidelines
that
would
apply
if
an
exhibit
an
incumbent
lessee
wanted
to
just
renew
you
know
they
had
a
five-year
lease
another
five
years
they
wanted
to
renew.
These
are
the
same
guidelines
that
would
apply
to
resolving
if
there
was
a
competing
bid
for
that
property
or
is
this?
Is
that
a
different
process
that.
O
A
If
someone
an
exhibit
incumbent
is
meeting
sort
of
the
minimum
and
someone
comes
along-
and
you
know,
puts
a
forward
a
proposal
and
says
well,
I
can
do
better
than
the
minimum
I
put
aside,
whether
you
agree
with
them
or
not,
for
at
least
that's
their
representation.
Are
you
saying
that
that's
simply
foreclosed
that
as
long
as
the
incumbent
meets
the
minimum,
they
get
automatic
renewals,
regardless
of
how
good
a
potential
competitor
is
I.
O
Guess
yeah
in
the
AG
AG
plan
we
did
identify
the
concept
of
a
stewardship
plan
that
would
have
specific
achievement
guidelines
for
the
lessee
and
for
open
space.
We
don't
have
many
of
those
in
place
yet,
but
that
would
be
the
mechanism
to
to
achieve
what
you're
talking
about
is.
If,
if
we
set
stewardship
guidelines
that
aren't
are
not
being
met,
that
stewardship
plan
would
be
the
way
for
us
to
make
that
change.
But.
P
L
Have
sort
of
this
policy
favoring
continuity
of
operations,
yes
and
efficiency
for
staff,
and
things
like
that,
but
you're
right
that
was
sort
of
a
conscious
decision
and
it
does
lock
up
a
certain
amount
of
land
and
so
I
think
that's
why
it
would
be
nice
if
we
had
a
dashboard
if
we
could
be
looking
at
that
shows
each
year.
You
know
what
our
disposition
of
ongoing
continuing
agreements
is
versus
agreements
that
are
being
opened
up
and
ask
ourselves:
well:
does
that
sort
of
match
our
long
term
goals
recognizing
that
any
year?
N
A
As
you
can
probably
tell
I'm
a
little
troubled
by
by
that
notion,
I
mean
under
the
Charter
we
can't
assign.
We
can't
give
a
lease
that's
more
than
five
years
now,
I
realize
literally
you'd,
say
well
it's
five
years
and
then
they're.
You
know
the
renewal
isn't
guaranteed,
but
we're
coming
pretty
close
to
saying
yeah.
But
if
you
meet
the
minimum,
the
renewal
is
guaranteed,
so
it
effectively
becomes
it's
not
literally
a
disposal,
but
it's
certainly
in
the
spirit
of
one.
A
We
were
saying:
oh
it's
an
exclusive
lease
for
as
long
as
that
individual
manages
the
property
to
sort
of
the
the
minimum
standard.
Even
if
there's
someone
out
there
who
you
know
can
do
a
better
job
in
meeting
notice,
our
Charter
purposes,
I,
don't
know,
that's
a
bigger
question
than
what
you
were
asking
for
it.
This
is
you're
saying
this
is
what
you
want
to
use
for
just
assignments
where
that
situation
arises:
you're
not
asking
the
question.
Well,
what
about
the
broader
issue
of
how
open
should
this
be?
A
But
I
will
say:
I
am
a
little
troubled.
You
know
I
can
understand
if
someone
was
superlative.
It's
just
saying.
Well,
you
know,
I
can't
argue
with
that.
You
ought
to
get
a
renewal
if
you
put
all
that
investment
into
it,
someone's
just
bare
minimum
I'm
a
little
more
troubled
by
saying.
Well,
that's
that's
an
automatic
renewal
potentially,
for
you
know
10
15,
20
years,
when
you
know
the
Charter
says
you
know
anything
more
than
five
is
a
disposal
on.
I
That
topic
I,
was
thinking
about
this
with
some
friends
the
other
evening,
and
one
thing
related
to
failure
rates
in
these
leases.
That,
in
my
own
intuition,
I
think
is
important.
Is
that
when
you
are
farming
or
ranching
open
space,
you
are
not
living
on
in
the
property
owner
of
that
farm,
and
that
connection
is
is
is
a
difficult
one
and
I
do
think
that
your
ability
to
run
with
the
land
over
the
years
is
got
to
be
a
critical
part
of
the
process.
I
So
I
would
understand
why
keeping
people
in
place
to
replicate
as
much
of
that
connection
of
life
on
the
land
or
ownership
would
create,
would
ultimately
really
help.
You
know
the
program
yeah,
it
does
become
a
question
of.
Does
that
mean
that
there's
no
liquidity
and
turnover
and
we
doing
what
we'd
all
hope
we
do
for
younger
entrance
to
the
space.
P
A
A
And
in
some
sense,
that's
you
know
you
wouldn't
want.
If
you
said
there
was
zero
I
think
the
standard
was
too
low.
If
you
said
it
was
a
huge
number
I'd
think
well
we're
not
doing
a
very
good
job
of
working
with
our
let's
see
is
a
small
number,
but
putting
too
fine
a
point
on.
It
seems,
broadly
speaking,
sort
of
where
you
want
to
be.
You
want
there
to
be
real
incentives.
You
know
we
want
there
to
be
some
stick.
Not
here,
I
mean
some
Karen.
O
O
You
know
we
have
more,
that
under
diversified
production,
I
was
looking
at
some
numbers
for
a
different
presentation
that
I'm
gonna
give
in
a
couple
of
weeks,
but
we
have
667
acres
currently
under
some
type
of
organic
management
that
that
could
be
a
small
livestock,
that's
vegetables,
it's
even
some
organic
grains,
so
we
have
over
since
2009
we,
we
have
gone
from
zero
acres
into
that
kind
of
management,
to
667
acres
of
that
management,
which
is
now
4%
of
our
least
system.
So
we
are
moving
forward
in
in
in
those
types
of
operations.
O
B
O
Do
have
a
list
of
properties
that
are
likely
going
to
become
available.
Campbell
is
up
north
that
would
not
be
suitable.
Stray
decline
is
would
be
an
irrigated
property.
Near
61st.
63Rd
suits
is
a
grazing
property.
Bruning
is
a
small
hay
field
that
hadn't
been
identified
for
that
purpose.
Andrews
Colorado,
open
lanes
again,
not
so
potentially
so
on,
Andrew,
so
I
guess
it'll
not
likely
fell.
Also
not
likely
Autry
doesn't
have
that's
it's
good
soil,
but
not
enough
water.
There,
the
baseline
75
Louis
that
complex.
O
Typically,
don't
have
the
soil
and
water
combination
for
season-long
production.
Somebody
certainly
could
come
in
and
grow
a
whole
bunch
of
an
early
season,
vegetable
or
a
specialized
crop,
and
we
would
certainly
listen
to
proposals
for
that
if
there
weren't
other
ecological
guidelines
on
the
property,
so.
O
B
O
Think
there
is
a
certain
amount
of
research
that
we
would
expect
the
proposing
entity
to
do.
You
know
you
know
where
AG
management
playing
grassland
plan.
We
would
expect
them
to
do
some
of
that
research
on
the
room.
We
do
try
to
make
provide
the
basic
information
of
what
what
kind
of
soil
it
is
and
what
ditch
system
the
water
rights
around
and
we
provide
the
run
dates
and
we
provide
water
yield
information
if
we
have
it.
O
A
C
O
As
far
as
historically,
we've
used
similar
criteria
as
this,
so
experience
has
always
been,
you
know,
weighted
heavily
in
in
our
process,
as
is:
are
they?
What
is
what
they're
proposing
what
we
would
like
to
see
on
the
property?
As
far
as
you
know,
more
globally,
like
do
we
want
hay
production?
Do
we
want
it
to
stay
in
some
areas?
We
want
to
stay
in
surface
irrigation,
for
example,
because
their
next
of
wetland
complexes,
and
so
we
would.
We
would
not
want
that
converted
to
drip
irrigation,
so
we
always
have
waited
those
two
very
highly.
O
In
times
past
we
did
have
a
location
criteria
because
of
response
times
for
emergencies,
we've
kind
of
gone
away
from
that
a
little
bit
because
it
over-represented
people.
You
know
at
both
extremes,
you
know
I,
guess:
we've
added
and
modified
criteria
over
time
to
respond
to
challenges
that
we've
had
in
the
AG
program.
We've
had
tenants,
that
least
and
Dave.
You
remember-
may
remember
chocolate
Lippincott.
He
leased
the
Cole
property
and
lived
out
by
none,
which
is
you
know,
an
hour
drive.
P
P
I
mean
we're
trying
to
be
as
open
about
this
as
possible,
and
that's
kind
of
the
big
shift
that
we've
made
in
in
the
programmatic
approach
and
what
we've
learned
so
far,
mainly
just
small
tweaks
around
like
the
appeal
process,
and
we
realized
that
that
wasn't
a
good
fit
to
do
by
email
that
it
really
should
be
done
in
in-person
and
writing.
We
also
learned
that
some
of
the
criteria
were
more
than
we
needed,
so
we
collapsed
some
of
those
and
changed
some
of
the
descriptions.
O
B
N
P
A
A
mailed
you
a
question
and
hopefully
you've
had
a
chance
to
look
into
it.
Does
the
city
have
any
policy,
particularly
on
the
procurement
side,
but
maybe
not
exclusively
on
the
procurement
side,
about
sort
of?
Broadly
speaking,
as
the
diversity
issue
of
the
extent
to
which
we,
you
know,
favor
people
who
may
have
historically
been
underrepresented
in
serving
the
city
or
give
any
kind
of
preference.
P
O
O
O
B
O
And
if
they
sell
certified,
we
would
ask
that
they
address
all
three
of
those.
Okay
and
the
economic
one
has
as
a
net
worth
criteria
and
an
income
criteria.
To
your
question.
Tom
I
did
we
see
I
sent
a
message
to
purchasing
and
there
really
is
no
former
guideline
or
criteria
that
purchasing
uses
for
that
so,
like
they
don't
use
the
the
Small
Business
Administration
definition
is
way.
I
interpreted
their
email.
Is
that
your
same
interpretation
John?
You.
P
Know
you
would,
and
we
can't
really
speak
for
them,
but
that's
our
understanding
is
that
it's
it's
not
part
of
their
approach.
We
were
really
just
trying
to
find
some
way
to
promote
diversity
and
inclusion
across
the
population
of
ranchers
and
farmers
on
our
system.
This
was
the
the
best
way
that
we
could
find
kind
of
to
work
that
that
in
if
there's
a
better
way,
we
would
love
to
hear
about
it.
A
What
was
striking
me
spending
a
fair
amount
of
time.
Reading
13
CFR
on
a
socially
disadvantaged
business
was
there's,
nothing
I,
thought
I
would
say:
that's
affirmative
ly
a
bad
idea.
That
is
you
know,
but
it
did
strike
me
that
some
of
what
we're
trying
to
achieve
here
is
perhaps
a
little
broader
than
what
you
know.
The
the
federal
guidelines
provide
for
you
know
a
lot
of
what
the
federal
guidelines
are
talking
about,
really
is
the
owner
of
the
business.
It
could
even
be
you
know.
A
Often
it's
someone
who
you
know,
there's
a
thousand
miles
away,
but
they
own
the
business
that
happens
to
sell
the
widgets
to
the
federal
government,
some
location
and
there's
almost
no
personal
connection
between
the
owner.
Who
may
be
you
know
a
minority
in
some
way
and
the
sort
of
hands-on
interpersonal
connection
of
the
business
and
that
strikes
me
is
not
it's
really
not.
A
That's
always
good
to
be
true,
and
certainly
if
some
large
AG
entity
said
well
we're
minority-owned,
but
the
people
that
we're
going
to
assign
to
the
boulder
operation
are
not,
and
so
I'm
not
sure
whether
or
not
you
know
is
that
what
you
want
to
be
giving
them
credit
for.
Are
you
much
more
interested?
Well
who's?
Actually
going
to
be.
You
know
the
voice
in
the
hands
on
on
the
around
so
and
there's
a
lot
of
other
complications
in
the
in
the
federal
regulations
about
how
someone
proves
that
they've
historically
been
a
victim
of
discrimination.
A
It's
all
free,
and
so
my
suggestion
would
just
be
two-a-days
a
little
bit
of
a
catch-all
phrase
I
think
it's
fine
to
embrace
the
federal
regulations
on
a
socially
disadvantaged
business,
but
the
first
thing
I
would
add
a
little
bit
of
a
catch-all.
You
know
for
individuals
who
are
you
know,
members
of
a
group
that's
historically
not
well
represented
in
boulder
county
agriculture,
I
wouldn't
attempt
that's
at
least
my
thought
I'm
not
trying
to
quantify.
You
know
how
many
points
that
is
or
to
define.
Well,
okay,
who
exactly
is
that?
A
And
is
that
not
but
I?
Think
as
we
move
forward
on
these
kinds
of
issues?
There
is
a
little
bit
of
flexibility.
We
ought
to
give
ourselves
to
recognize
situations
where
a
person
who
presents
diversity
that
would
be
important
to
us
that
doesn't
exactly
one-to-one
match
the
way.
The
federal
code
of
federal
regulations,
sort
of
defines
the
issue.
P
We
were
trying
to
avoid
having
to
define
that
and
evaluate
that
ourselves.
This
was
a
way
it's
well-established
in
code,
and
so
we've
found
some
reassurance
that
it's
it's
probably
been
well
vetted
and
even
though
it's
not
perfect,
as
you
point
out,
it
could
help
us
in
this
area,
but
we'll
go
back
and
see
if
we
can
make
it
better.
It.
L
Might
be
interesting,
I
mean
this
is
focused
on
the
Federal
Acquisition
regulations
and
it's
not
really
what
we're
doing
we're
not
doing
so
much
in
acquisition.
You
seem
to
look
at
the
USDA
programs
for
encouraging
entry
to
farming
by
people
who
are
not
historically
represented
in
farming,
because
I
think
they
probably
would
try
to
go
beyond
that
small
business
or
disadvantaged
business
classification
to
I,
think
I.
Think
you're
right,
Tom,
I
think
that
kind
of
constrains
us
yeah.
A
I
Guess
one
final
comment
is
that
I
have
immense
trust
for
the
staff
and
their
own
intuitions
about
these
issues
and
the
zeitgeist
of
the
city,
but
it's
difficult,
because
when
you
go
to
a
quantitative
weighting
program
that
doesn't
always
show
up,
you
don't
need
to
answer
this
question,
but
I'm
tempted
to
ask.
Have
there
ever
been
situations
where
you've
seen
the
results
come
out
of
the
end
of
this
engine
and
they've
gone
against
your
better
instincts?
I
If
the
answer
is
yes,
despite
the
desire
to
make
the
the
process
repeatable
clear
and
transparent
some
discretionary
element,
I
for
one
am
not
scared
of
I
know
it's
difficult
within
a
bureaucratic
setting,
sometimes
to
get
there.
I
also
know
within
the
context
of
being
inclusive,
there's
nothing
worse
than
feeling
like.
You
won
something
on
the
basis
of
anything
other
than
your
merits
and
so
scoring
it
outright.
It
makes
me
uncomfortable
as
well.
I
A
F
A
F
To
invite
Luke
McKay
property
agent,
with
city
of
boulders,
open
space,
mountain
parks
to
come
up
and
while
he's
sort
of
getting
settled
in
I'll,
just
say
a
few
things.
I
just
want
to
point
out
a
few
people
in
the
member
of
the
audience.
Catherine
is
here
representing
the
family,
Vanessa
Keely
with
growing
gardens
and
that's
Christine
with
the
Conservation
Fund
they're.
All
here
too
in
case
you
have
any
questions
for
the
Grand
Tour
side
of
things
and
just
also
want
to
say
as
well
as
that.
F
That
really
gives
the
the
ability
for
private
landowners
to
enter
the
conservation
arena
in
a
permanent
way,
not
just
a
handshake
agreement
or
some
of
the
ways
that
we
used
to
sort
of
interact
with
landowners.
So
just
a
little
little
shout
out
for
that,
and
just
a
little
shout
out
for
other
than
the
folks
that
I
pointed
out
and
of
course,
Bethany
Collins
who's.
Not
here
tonight
was
a
lead
person
and
helping
to
pull
this
all
together.
F
I
also
just
want
to
mention
david
gear
from
city
attorney's
office
from
the
city
of
boulder
played
a
big
role
in
providing
review
and
providing
input,
and
today,
after
crafting
of
the
easement
conservation
fund,
I
meant
it
I
mentioned
before
they've
been
with
the
family
for
over
a
decade,
I
believe
on
this
project,
who
provided
great
insights
and
collaboration
on
this
there's
a
number
of
attorneys
that
have
been
involved
in
this
process
over
the
last
10
months.
So
pretty
a
pretty
robust
project
and
before
I
turn
it
over
to
the
Luke.
F
F
But
2007
talks
began
in
earnest
with
the
open
space
staff
on
the
idea
of
crafting
permanent
protection
for
this
property
that
actually
resulted
in
a
2009
letter
of
intent
that
we
provided
the
family
of
outlining
some
purchased
scenario
that
could
take
place.
That
letter
of
intent
was
not
acted
upon
for
several
issues,
or
one
of
it
ended
up
being
nano
identified
funding
source,
as
well
as
some
other
issues
that
arose
from
2009
to
2010,
but
2011.
F
The
council
again
directed
staff
to
engage
in
a
second
round
of
negotiations
with
the
family
and
the
representatives,
and
that
was
about
a
two-year
process
or
so
and
again
in
2013
those
negotiations
stalled
and
then
in
late
2018.
The
family
again
approached
Council
with
with
the
urging
that
perhaps
talks
reopen
and
at
that
time
in
late
2018
early
2019,
our
real
estate
staff
was
identified
from
their
conservation.
F
Easement
experience
I
forgot
how
many
years
we
added
up
that
we
have
between
the
three
or
four
of
us
on
conservation
easement
program
that
perhaps
we
could
provide
some
expertise
and
sort
of
crafting
a
an
agreement
that
would
meet
city
and
council
objectives
as
well
as
meeting
the
family
needs.
So
we
began
lending
our
expertise
to
that
project.
F
I
would
say
about
ten
or
nine
months
ago,
council,
again
in
the
spring
of
this
year,
reiterated
that
this
should
be
a
priority
project
for
the
city,
which
provided
a
little
bit
more
direction
for
city
staff,
City
Attorney's
office.
The
staff
bethenny
in
particular
to
to
work
continue
working
on
this,
and
at
that
time
it
was
envisioned
at
the
staff
level
that
this
would
be
a
general
fund
acquisition,
with
the
help
and
the
expertise
from
open
space
staff
and
since
were
the
only
ones
on
the
city
that
run
a
conservation
easement
program.
F
There
was
even
talk
that
perhaps
after
the
acquisition,
we
would
fold
this
into
our
monitoring
program
because
we're
the
only
staff
in
the
city
that
actually
monitored
and
enforced
conservation
easements.
So
those
are
sort
of
informal
discussions
that
were
taking
place,
however,
over
the
summer
and
into
September
3rd.
Of
course,
council
got
much
more
specific
of
what
their
goals
and
intentions
were
from
this
project
and
in
their
December
September
3rd
discussion
in
which
to
bring
forth
the
ballot
initiative.
F
They
made
a
decision
at
that
time
that
they
would
like
open
space
dollars
to
be
used
for
the
acquisition
and,
of
course,
suggested
that
not
suggested
put
in
language
into
that
ballot
initiative.
That
would
be
brought
forth.
The
electorate
in
November
that
the
first
year
funding
be
used
for
the
acquisition
and
this
would
be
open
space
dollars
for
the
acquisition
of
the
longest
conservation
easement.
F
So
a
lots
happened
in
the
last
10
months,
but
a
lots
actually
been
going
out
for
about
12
years
with
the
open
space
department
and
the
family
and
City
Attorney's
office,
so
over
the
years,
so
just
wanted
to
provide
paint
that
little
bit
of
a
background,
because
we're
gonna
probably
dive
a
little
bit
deeper
into
the
specifics
of
where
we're
at
today.
So
with
that
I'll
turn
things
over
to
Luke.
J
Great
thanks
Dan,
so
for
tonight's
presentation.
We
wanted
to
start
with
by
providing
a
brief
overview
of
the
Long's
Gardens
property
and
its
current
uses,
followed
by
a
discussion
of
what
conservation
easements
are
and
how
they
work
before
diving
into
some
of
the
kind
of
key
terms
and
conditions
of
the
long.
Startings
conservation.
Easement
I'll,
then
hand
it
back
over
to
dan
to
discuss
any
details
of
the
conservation
he's
been
purchased
as
it
relates
to
the
ballot
initiative
and
the
course
will
plenty
of
time
for
for
questions.
At
the
end.
J
So,
consisting
of
three
parcels
with
two
ownership
groups:
Long's
Gardens
is
at
approximately
25
acre
property
located
at
Broadway
in
Hawthorne,
it's
directly
north,
the
north
pole
directs
Center,
one
of
us
in
peace,
tiniest
properties,
the
third
of
an
acre
bond
sold
property.
Both
the
farmers
ditch
enforce
that
multi-use
paths
cross
the
gardens
and
it's
bisected
by
farmers,
ditch
the
property
zoned
agricultural
and
is
designated
agricultural.
An
open
space
other
along
farmers,
ditch
in
the
Boulder,
Valley
comprehensive
mat
plan
and
those
land
use.
J
J
J
And
so
it's
because
of
Long's
Gardens,
rich
agricultural
history
and
heritage,
the
diversity
of
the
agricultural
uses
and
operations
it
supports
today
and
the
desire
by
the
city
community
and
the
long
family
to
ensure
that
the
property
is
not
only
protected
from
development,
but
able
to
support
similar
agricultural
uses
and
operations
in
the
future.
Is
why
we're
bringing
this
conservation
easement
acquisition
before
you
tonight.
So
before
diving
into
the
details
of
the
actual
conservation
easement,
we
thought
it'd
be
helpful
to
provide
a
brief
refresher
of
what
conservation
easements
are
and
how
they
work.
J
So
a
conservation
easement
is
a
legal
agreement
between
a
landowner,
a
qualified
conservation
organization
or
government
agency
that
permanently
limits
a
property's
uses
in
order
to
conserve
its
conservation
values,
and
here
at
OSP
we
often
use
the
terms,
conservation,
values
and
open
space
charter
purposes.
Interchangeably
and
so
I'll
be
kind
of
doing
that
tonight.
J
So,
for
a
very
like
simple
example,
an
owner
might
give
up
or
significantly
limit
their
right
to
construct.
Structures
are
improvements
well
read
while
retaining
the
right
to
farm
end
and
so
under
a
conservation.
Easement
ownership
remains
with
the
private
landowner,
but
future
owners
are
bound
by
its
terms.
So
it's
a
perpetual
and
conference
on
the
property.
J
Excuse
me,
they're
also
seen
as
flexible,
because
they
could
be
tailored
to
meet
the
goals,
needs
and
circumstances
of
the
landowner,
while
protecting
the
property's,
unique
suite
of
conservation
values,
and
it's
these
Vann
advantages
that
I
make
conservation
easements,
as
Dan
mentioned
a
very
popular
and
effective
conservation
tool.
Here
at
OSP,
we
have
over
a
hundred
conservation
agreements
that
include
conservation,
easements
development
rights
agreements,
scenic
and
open
space,
easements
that
we
steward
annually.
J
We
then
go
out
to
monitoring
the
property
annually
to
ensure
that
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
easement
are
being
followed
and
to
document
any
changes
from
what's
in
the
baseline
documentation
report
and
on
our
annual
monitoring
visit.
If
we
do
find
a
potential
violation
of
the
easement,
we
then
work
with
the
landowner
to
resolve
it.
So,
as
I
think
you
can
all
appreciate,
these
are
often
long
and
complicated
documents.
J
So
a
key
part
of
conservation,
easements
stewardship
is
maintaining
a
relationship
with
landowners
to
address
questions
or
issues
that
they
may
have
before
they
escalate
into
a
potential
violation.
And,
lastly,
some
of
those
in
piece
conservation,
easements,
including
the
one
before
you
tonight-
require
management
plan.
A
lot
of
conservation
organizations
and
government
agencies
require
management
plans
in
their
conservation
easements,
because
specific
management
actions
are
or
activities
are
necessary
to
fully
protect
a
property's
conservation
values
and,
let's
specified
otherwise.
J
Management
activities,
aren't
a
undertaken
by
the
landowner
and
the
easement
holder
simply
ensures
that
those
activities
are
consistent
with
both
the
management
plan
and
the
easement.
So,
for
example,
many
conservation
easements
that
are
protect
forest
land
require
like
a
forest
management
plan
which
would
require
the
landowner
to
perform
sustainable
fittings,
retain
old-growth,
stands,
retain
or
require
to
leave
woody
debris,
woody
debris
for
habitat
production
and
likewise
for
agricultural
properties.
J
So,
although
you
have
a
draft
of
the
long
start
in
conservation,
he's
been
in
front
of
you,
we
want
to
highlight
some
of
the
key
terms
and
conditions
that
help
protect
the
property's
scenic
agricultural
and
past
recreational
conservation
values.
So,
first,
the
conservation
easement
permits
the
existing
structures
and
improvements
on
the
property
and
allows
for
new
structures
and
improvements
within
the
west
and
east
building
areas
which
are
depicted
in
the
red
and
purple
areas
on
the
map
in
front
of
you
outside
of
the
building
areas.
J
The
construction
of
additional
improvements
and
were
the
enlarging
or
relocating
of
existing
improvements
is
subject
to
the
agricultural
management
plan,
which
I
will
get
to
in
just
a
bit.
These
men
also
prohibits
subdivision
but
recognises
the
current
separate
ownership
of
the
property.
As
a
result,
future
conveyances
of
the
property
to
non
family
members
must
be
of
the
entire
25
acre
property,
so
the
other
key
terms
and
conditions
we
wanted
to
highlight,
or
once
at
the
city
and
the
long
family
believe,
will
better
and
share
that
long
start.
J
It's
not
only
remains
in
agriculture,
but
remains
accessible
in
the
future
to
the
types
of
uses
and
operations
it
supports.
Today,
the
conservation
easement
includes
an
affirmative
agricultural
covenant
that
requires
a
landowner
to
get
engaged
in
productive
agricultural
uses,
which
is
defined
in
the
easement
and
also
defined
on
the
slide
in
front
of
you,
in
accordance
with
an
agricultural
management
plan
mutually
agreed
upon
by
the
landowner
and
the
city
and
updated
by
the
landowner
at
least
every
10
years,
and
so
to
clarify.
J
Lastly,
in
order
to
protect
Long's,
Gardens
agricultural
resources
and
current
uses
he's
been
prohibits
certain
types
of
agricultural
agricultural
operations
such
as
commercial
feed,
Lots,
equestrian
centers
nurseries
and
sod
farms,
and
also
tides
ties
the
associated
water
rights,
which
includes
farmers
and
silver,
like
ditch
heirs
to
the
property
and
with
that
I
can
have
Dan
weigh
in
with
any
additional
comments
before
we
open
it
up
to
the
questions.
Yeah.
F
F
So
that
is
why
we're
still
in
front
of
you,
even
though
on
September
3rd
council,
did
weigh
in
in
a
in
a
pretty
definitive
way
of
what
of
their
vision
for
this,
but
felt
like
it's
important
for
us
to
follow
the
Charter
guidance
of
this
body,
providing
a
recommendation
so
I
just
wanted
to
first
provide
that
and
to
let
any
viewers
know
like
why
are
they
doing
this
councils
sort
of
already
said
some
things
about
it?
So
that's
one
important
thing,
I
wanted
to
say
and
just
to
clarify
for
those
who
are
listening.
F
That
may
not
know,
as
in
terms
of
the
ballot
initiative
that
would
be
on
the
ballot
at
November.
4Th
council
did
instruct
the
language
to
include
that
the
first
year's
revenue
from
that
sales
tax
is
to
be
used
for
the
acquisition
of
the
lungs
garden
conservation
easement.
So
if
this
tax
would
pass,
then
we
were
looking
at
2020
revenues
from
that
tax
to
be
used
for
the
purchase
of
this
easement.
N
A
F
F
Right
so
there's
a
so
there's
that
that's
specific
to
the
community
community
gardens
portion
of
the
growing
garden
site
I
would
point
out
that
right
now
there
isn't
a
permanent
lease
situation
that
governs
the
paved
multi-use
paths,
so
that
would
be
getting
that
in
place.
It
would
be
part
of
this
package
of
a
transaction
and.
C
F
J
The
baseline
documentation
report
I'm
in
this
particular
case,
I'm,
not
exactly
sure.
Usually
it's
either
prepared
by
the
you
know
the
city
or
the
landowner.
Usually
it
is
similar
to
the
management
plan.
It's
it's
jointly
prepared
and
it's
and
it's
and
it's
subject
to
mutual
agreement
of
the
parties
so
that.
F
Q
Good
evening
I'm
Kristine
Quinlan
I'm
with
the
Conservation
Fund
and
we've
been
assisting
with
this
project
and
I,
don't
think.
We've
actually
determined
we've
been
so
focused
on
drafting
the
easement
and
the
purchase
contract
and
keeping
all
of
those
details
moving
I,
don't
think
that
working
with
Bethany
we've
actually
decided
exactly
who's
gonna
produce
the
baseline
report.
It's
obviously
well
documented.
Every
conservation
easement
has
to
have
one.
So
if
your
staff
decides
that
you
want
to
take
that
on
and
produce
it,
I
think
we
would
be
amenable
to
that.
We
also
can.
Q
F
And
I
think
that's
fairly
typical
in
terms
of
making
a
decision
of
how
one
is
produced,
we've
done
it
we'll
retired
contractors,
we've
done
it
internally,
so
so
that
flexibility
is
good
to
know.
The
other
thing
I
think
this
alludes
to
is
that
the
actual
closing
of
the
conservation,
easement,
probably
well,
would
not
be
taking
place
until
quarter
1
of
2021
until
the
results
of
the
revenue
sources
so
even
know
we're
before
you
tonight
and
will
be
before
council
and
a
couple
of
weeks.
J
Definitely
both
the
baseline
documentation
report
and
the
management
plan
have
to
kind
of
capture
or
provide
a
snapshot
of
the
current
conditions
of
the
property
which
includes
its
existing
uses,
and
so
the
the
baseline
documentation
report
is
really.
It
is
looking
kind
of
documenting
the
property
through
the
lens
of
future
stewardship
and
enforcement
of
the
conservation
easement
so
documenting
where
the
existing
structures
are
documenting,
where
improvements
are
located.
J
Taking
taking
photos
almost
at
any
vantage
point
that
you
can,
you
can
get
so
you
can
kind
of
document
or
look
at
changes
over
time
and
and
and
make
note,
and,
and
so
when
I
talked
about
how
we
go
out
and
monitor
the
property.
Once
a
year,
we
actually
produce
a
monitoring
report
that
our
dedicated
staff
person
who
works
on
conservation,
easement
fills
out.
It
fills
out
and
he
always
looks
at
the
baseline
documentation
report
as
a
reference
while
doing
that
monitoring
and
before
him
before
finalizing
that
report
to.
A
Am
I
right
there's
nothing
in
the
conservation
easement
that
specifies
what
the
actual
contents
of
the
AG
management
plan
would
be
so
I
mean
just
I'm,
not
saying
this
whatever
happened,
but
if
hypothetically
the
parties
at
some
point
in
the
future
said
well
we're
just
going
to
make
this
a
100
percent
for-profit
farm
and
discontinue
the
sort
of
public
education,
public
agriculture
aspects
of
this
I.
Don't
tell
me
if
I'm
wrong,
I,
don't
think,
there's
actually
anything
in
the
conservation
easement
that
precludes
the
parties
from
entering
into
such
an
agricultural
man
and
planned.
A
J
F
And
your
assumption
is
also
pointing
out
why
city
staff
felt
pretty
strongly
that
this
does
have
a
management
plan
requirement,
because
without
it
it
would
be
pretty
hard
to
craft
a
whole
bunch
of
specific
restrictions
that
you
wouldn't
then
be
challenged
with
having
to
amend,
overtime
or
hard
to
enforce
hard
to
interpret
those
type
of
things,
so
that
that
is
why
we're
going
with
the
management
plan
concept
and
that
also
sort
of
alludes
to
answer.
Dave.
Second
part
of
that
question:
I,
don't
know,
if
was
your
first
part
or
second,
but
it
would
be.
F
The
current
uses
I
would
expect.
The
current
uses
would
be
heavily
mimicked
in
the
first
version
of
that
land
management
plan,
and
so
you
know,
growing
gardens
would
be
probably
well
represented
in
that
first
version
of
the
land
management
plan
that
would
be
created
at
the
time
of
the
execution
of
this
agreement.
A
In
that
same
paragraph
7,
on
page
13,
there's
a
reference
to
an
agricultural
conservation
plan
is
that
a
different
plan,
a
wording,
error
or
I
wasn't
sure
what
that
was
so
page,
13,
paragraph
7,
I,
guess
the
sixth
line,
where
it
says,
update
the
agricultural
conservation
plan
every
year.
That's
a
typo!
It's.
J
I
I
Just
to
follow
on
my
concerns,
you
know
we
all
do
our
homework
independently
before
these
open
meetings
are
kind
of
in
the
similar
place.
I'm
concerned
a
little
bit
about
four
point:
two
in
Part
A,
and
this
gets
straight
to
your
question,
Tom
about
the
relationship
between
these
two
agreements
as
I
read
through
this,
it
appears
to
me
this
easement
isn't
so
much
about
our
wonderful
current
ownership.
It's
about
the
prospect
of
different
ownership
in
the
future
and
what
runs
with
the
land
on
that
and
I'm.
I
Just
curious,
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
discussion
in
the
open
opening
sections
of
these
men
about
the
community
uses
which
are
currently
going
on,
but
if
I'm
reading
this
correctly,
there
is
no
requirement
of
community
agriculture
that
actually
goes
in
this
easement
and
I.
Think
it's
just
important
for
us
to
explore,
because
certainly
the
the
marketing
of
the
deal
to
the
community
really
focuses
on
those
wonderful
benefits
of
the
community
garden
and
and
what
people
are
familiar
with
today.
I
A
L
L
There
are
a
lot
of
public
assumptions
about
what's
gonna
happen
under
this
C
E
and
maybe
council
assumptions
about,
what's
going
to
happen
under
the
C
that
are
not
covered
in
the
C
II
and
are
not
required
in
the
C
E,
and
so
I
worry
that
we
need
to
have
a
process
with
council
since
we're
sort
of
a
party
to
all
of
this.
That
says
and
we're
gonna
agree
to
the
management
plan.
L
What
council
wants
there
to
be
in
the
management
plan
and
I?
Don't
know
if
that's
been
highlighted
for
them
to
some
extent
we're
going
to
become
their
intermediary
in
this
process
and
they
may
have
expectations
about
what
we
make
happen
on
this
property
or
ensure
happens
or
guarantee
happens
that
we
haven't
discussed
with
council,
and
so,
while
the
l
c
e
itself,
I
have
no
concerns
about.
L
F
A
A
B
A
F
A
Kicking
this
to
a
mutually
agreeable
management
plan
does
seem
to
give
us
the
authority.
We
need
to
assure
that
our
values
in
you
know
future
circumstances
are
protected,
but
I
agree
with
that.
We
need
to
make
that
clear,
because
there
may
be
some
misunderstanding,
not
I'm,
not
saying
any
particular
person,
but
about
exactly
what
is
protected
here
and
in
this
case
it's
just
we're
giving
ourselves
a
seated
permanent
seat
at
the
table
to
discuss
and
decide
how
this
is
to
be
managed.
A
Certain
things
are
prohibited,
but
in
terms
of
what
affirmative
lis
happens,
we're
just
giving
ourselves
a
seat
at
the
table.
I
don't
know.
If
this
is
used
in
conservation,
easements
I
would
at
least
think
about
whether
we
need
a
dispute
resolution
mechanism
on
this
I
mean
I
could
imagine
in
some
future
circumstance.
The
hypothetical
I
was
giving
where
a
future
owner
said.
Gee
I
really
want
to
do
something
very
different,
perhaps
much
more
profitable
with
the
land
and
the
city
said.
Well,
it's
really
not
the
vision
that
we
had
and
you're
like.
A
How
do
we
resolve
this?
There's
nothing
in
the
document
that
specifies
well.
How
do
you
resolve
differences
of
opinion
in
the
agricultural
management
plan
and
there
sometimes
are
limits
to
even
the
best
of
intentions
on
what
you
can
negotiate,
particularly
you
know,
hypothetical
future
owner
who
may
have
a
very
different
vision,
I'd
at
least
consider
you
know
there
are
ways
of
having
binding
mediation
or
other
mechanisms
that
are
sometimes
used
where
the
parties
you
know,
I'm
gonna,
have
to
resolve
things
that
aren't
aren't
set
out.
L
Could
I
follow
that
up
Tom?
This
is
gonna,
be
a
very
pointed
question.
For
example,
we've
calculated
a
price
for
the
sticks
that
the
owners
would
give
up.
Well,
there
may
be
a
public
assumption
that
they've
given
up
the
right
to
100%
put
their
farm
in
for-profit
agriculture.
People
may
be
looking
at
what's
happening
there
now
and
thinking
in
the
conservation
easement.
You
know,
we've
limited
their
profit-making
ability
in
a
significant
part
of
that.
L
L
It's
not
reflected
in
calculation
of
the
price,
so
I
just
raised
that
point
again
and
it's
all
about
getting
the
public's
expectation
and
counsel's
expectation
in
line
with
what
we're
doing
and
again
I'm
not
saying
I
want
to
change
what
we're
doing,
but
I
can
see
how
people
could
have
very
different
expectations
going
forward.
I.
A
Also
wanted
to
just
say
one
thing
I
agree
with,
but
just
wanted
to
specifically
call
it
out
is
that
the
motion
that
you're
recommending
does
not
say
what
happens
if
the
ballot
measure
is
not
approved
and
I
agree
with
the
judgement
you've
made
not
to
get
into
that
issue.
If
it
comes
to
passed,
the
ballot
issue
is
not
approved.
We
can
then
have
a
discussion,
but
where
are
we
I
think
that's
a
very
different
world
and
probably
maybe
not
productive,
to
spend
time
trying
to
sort
out
well?
A
A
There
were
only
in
a
sense
dealing
with
one
of
two
possibilities,
we're
saying
well
what
would
happen
if
the
tax
measure
is
approved,
we're
not
saying
what
would
happen
if
it
was
disapproved
and
I
agree
with
that
judge
we
would
just
say
well
if
it's
disapproved
well,
you
know,
go
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
see
where
we
are
whatever
you
know,
wherever
that
might
be
and
I'm
not
trying
to
comment
on.
You
know
how
that
discussion
would
go
well.
C
Will
say
that
recent
experience
in
the
political
arena
would
suggest
that
we
should
spend
some
time
thinking
in
the
near
term
about
what
happens
if
that
tax
measure
does
not
pass,
and
so
I
do
agree
with.
You
I
think
that
we
don't
want
to
be
caught
short
and
have
a
different
outcome
and
be
unprepared
to
be
in
addressing
that.
So
that's
just
kind
of
a
cautionary
note
that
I
don't
think
we
should
ignore
the
you
know
the
the
situation
that
the
tax
might
not
pass.
C
You
know
the
other
thing
in
the
motion,
then
that
I
am
a
little
perplexed
about,
is
that
the
minimum
purchase
price
is
identified,
but
there
looks
like
there's
an
open-ended
upper
limit
so
not
to
exceed
the
revenues
collected.
So
do
we
have
a
range
estimated
range
of
what
we
think
the
point?
One
five
tax
would
actually
generate.
C
C
C
Q
Q
The
appraiser
has
to
determine
what
the
highest
and
best
use
is
the
highest
and
best
use
of
this
property
is
not
farming,
its
residential,
so,
whether
it's
for-profit
farming
or
community
farming,
that's
not
the
value
of
this
property.
It
will
I
mean
that's
the
value
that
we're
all
protecting,
but
the
monetary
value
that
is
determined
and
that-
and
that
is
the
basis
for
which
the
landowner
will
be
compensated
on
the
bargain
sell
contract
is
by
extinguishing
the
right
to
develop
and
subdivide
that
property.
It's.
A
The
difference
between,
if
you
just
sold
the
property
on
the
open
market
to
the
highest
bidder,
it's
that
number.
What
do
we
think
the
property
would
sell
for
with
the
conservation
easement
on
it?
It's
the
difference
between
those
two
numbers
is
in
a
sense.
What
word
and
you
know
what
we're
trying
to
get
at
and.
F
You're
talking
to
bulk
the
the
the
great
great
percentage
that
an
appraiser
is
gonna
look
at
is:
can
this
be
subdivided
yeah?
How
many
home
sites
could
have
couldn't
reasonably
support
in
an
open
market?
You
start
getting
into
things
like.
Can
there
be
a
your
culture
on
it
and
those
are
minor
things
in
the
appraisal
world?
But
it's
it's
a
subdivision.
F
It's
the
right
to
build
and
the
right
to
sell
subdivided
parcel
in
this
case,
which
I
believe
could
have
five
residential
units
on
it
and
basically,
as
we
outlined
in
the
presentation,
a
future
sale
to
a
non
family
member,
it
would
have
to
be
sold
as
one
so
that
they're
there
that's
the
bread
and
butter
that
the
appraiser
would
be
looking
at.
B
Question
my
question
is:
how
much
staff
time
do
you
assume
OS
MP
will
need
to
dedicate
to
this
property
to
give
all
the
approvals
and
permissions
that
are
listed
in
these
twenty
pages
and
do
all
the
things
that
are
itemized
it
just
as
I
read
through
it?
It
strikes
me
as
a
big
job
and
that's
why
I'm
trying
to
get
a
handle
on
what
amount
of
staff
time
are
we
talking
about
to
do
all
this
I?
Would.
F
F
Our
annual
monitoring
program
is
a
large
portfolio,
so
it
takes
on
average
for
a
typical
conservation
easement
about
five
hours
a
year
to
perform
the
annual
monitoring
getting
prepared
for
doing
a
site
visit,
not
your
forms
afterwards,
out
of
that
routine
annual
monitoring.
What
we
have
typically
found
out
of
those
hundred
or
so
is
that
there's
four
or
five
situations
a
year
in
which
we
feel
like
there's,
either
a
potential
violation
or
there's
an
actual
violation
happening.
F
Then
that
is
a
different
animal
than
in
a
routine
type
of
situation,
so
those
four
or
five
a
year.
Yes,
depending
on
the
situation,
there's
an
obligation
for
us
to
to
try
to
rectify
that.
Sometimes
it
goes
really
smoothly.
I
didn't
know,
I
should
have
done
that
sorry,
we'll
fix
it
to
a
disagreement
and
which
would
involve
attorney
time.
So
out
of
the
hundred,
we
have
about
a
four
percent
of
those
in
a
given
year.
We'll
have
a
larger
issue
with
whether
this
one
falls
into
it
in
year,
ten
or
year,
fifty
or
year.
F
The
second
is
continual
at
least
annual
relationships
with
the
landowner,
so
Karen
I
I'm,
not
gonna,
be
able
to
answer
that
question
really
I
can
just
tell
you
in
general,
takes
about
five
hours
to
do
a
routine
annual
monitoring.
If
something
results
from
that,
it's
really
depends
on
the
situation.
It's
it's
unique.
Okay,.
B
Then
that
leads
into
my
next
question,
which
is
the
the
potential
well,
my
understanding,
that
of
the
work
that
has
been
done
on
the
conservation
easement
was
sort
of
delegated
to
SMP
by
the
city
manager
and
the
council
and
the
N.
Perhaps
the
City
Attorney's
Office
had
a
first
been
in
the
ax
City
Attorney's
Office,
and
then
it
was
well.
We
don't.
We
can't
really
come
to
grips
with
this.
Let's
have
osm
piece.
F
Be
honest,
Caryn
I,
don't
know
if
we
ever
discussed
whether
or
not
any
of
our
staff
time
in
2019
should
come
back
to
us.
We
we
did
have
lots
of
discussions
on
the
actual
funding
of
the
acquisition
that
it
had
throughout
most
of
the
year
was
assumed
to
be
a
general
fund,
but
I
never
raised
the
issue
that
if
Bethany
spent
30
hours
on
this
or
whatever
the
hours
are
that
we
needed
to
be
compensated
for
that.
B
That
is
spent
on
open
space
matters
and
as
I
read
this
document,
there
are
several
places
where
it
says,
and
then
there
would
be
attorney
fees
and
I'm
wondering
if,
because
of
the
nature
of
this
property
and
the
agreements
on
this
property,
whether
in
those
cases,
it
would
be
a
general
fund
cost,
as
opposed
to
an
OS
MP
cost
I'm,
just
wondering
where
the
dividing
line
is
between
OS
MP,
assuming
the
costs
and
the
general
fund.
Assuming
costs
that
I.
F
My
suggestions,
I,
don't
think
that's
a
place
you
put
in
the
easement
or
the
management
plan.
If,
if
this
body
felt
that
that
be
an
important
thing
to
bring
forward
would
say
it
probably
would
be
best
in
the
recommendation
itself,
I
don't
see
that
being
a
place
within
the
formal
documents
itself,
I'm
off
the
top
of
my
head.
That's
would
be
my
reaction.
That's.
A
About
where
I
would
come
out,
I
think
the
the
thing
that
needs
to
be
and
I
think
this
is
in
the
document.
But
the
thing
that
needs
to
be
in
the
document
is
a
sufficient
open
space
hook
such
that
it's
clear
and
I
think
it
is
clear
in
the
document
that
our
disposal
of
mechanism
would
be
called
into
play
if
someone
were
trying
to
get
rid
of
the
conservation,
easement
I.
Think
that's
a
lot
of
what's
frankly,
going
on
here.
A
A
Don't
know
that
we
need
to
make
you
know
the
long
family,
a
party
to
all
of
our
internal
imaginations,
I'm
sure
they
don't
want
to
be,
and
it's
a
point
of
which
they
don't
need
to
be
that
this
document
has
to
just
make
clear
that
now
this
is
this
is
open
space
and
you
know
there
are
granted.
There
are
consequences
to
that.
A
You
know
we
want
the
affirmative
protection
of
our
disposal
process,
but
you
know
once
you
call
something
open
space,
then
I
think
probably
a
fair
amount
of
what
happens
then
is
on
our
dime
that
those
two
things
probably
you're,
inevitably
somewhat
paired
together,
whether
that
would
be
our
druthers
or
not
I,
don't
know
that
we
could
ever
say
well,
it's
on
someone
else's
dime,
but
for
section
177
purposes
he's
still
a
disposal
that
may
be
a
hybrid
world
that
sort
of
doesn't
exist.
I,
don't.
I
A
The
opens
Bay's
Department
is
not
a
legal
entity,
it's
a
department
of
the
city,
but
we
don't
actually
own
land.
The
city
owns
the
land
and
it's
under
our
management.
So
I
think
that's
why
conservation
easements
would
refer
to
the
city
as
the
party,
not
the
open
space
department,
but
there
are
there's
a
reference
to
our
disposal
mechanism
and
at
the
end,
obviously
it's
you
know
we're
called
out,
but
we
are
literally
the
owners
of
the
property
right.
F
Another
way
that,
within
our
recommendations,
that
we
try
to
paint
a
historical
link
to
it
being
under
the
auspices
or
the
interest
of
the
open
space
department
is
you'll
notice,
that
will
typically
say
for
hoping
space
and
mountain
parks
purposes
and
our
recommendations
for
land
acquisitions
or
easement
acquisitions.
It's
again
to
make
that
tie
that
the
interest
in
this
land
has
been
played
the
auspices
as
it's
been
placed
under
the
auspices
of
this
department
making
that
link.
So
it
is
a
land
interest
of
this
department,
I.
B
I
have
two
other
sub
questions
that
have
to
do
with
this.
What
is
the
department
responsible
for,
as
opposed
to
someone
else
and
I,
was
delighted
to
hear
you
say
that
the
Conservation
Fund
would
be
glad
to
take
the
lead
in
the
baseline
documentation
report.
I,
think
that's
what
you
said
earlier
is
that
right.
P
B
F
Unfortunately,
not
being
involved
in
the
detailed
wording
that
is
going
on
between
a
few
attorneys
and
our
staff
and
conservation
fund
staff
I'm
sure
there's
a
good
reason
why
we
landed
and
look
I,
don't
know
if
Bethany
sort
of
talked
to
you
about
that
point
of
why
or
I
mean
I
have
my
reasons.
I
have
some
thoughts
of
why
that
might
be
a
good
idea,
but
I
would
hate
to
sort
of
answer
that
without
knowing
specifically
why
we
landed
on
that
language.
Yeah.
J
I,
don't
know
just
be
speculating,
but
I
think
the
intent
is
that,
since
the
management
plan,
the
activities
and
actions
documented
it
documented
in
it
have
to
be
consistent
with
the
terms
of
the
servation
easement,
the
city
or
open
space
at
least
wants
to
be
a
part
of
that
initial
conversation,
and
so
I
think.
The
expectation
is
that
the
long
family
and
the
landowners
and
the
representatives
would
take
the
lead
or
make
that
initial
lift
on
the
drafting
of
the
management
plan.
J
Q
F
B
J
Q
A
On
that
exact
sentence,
yeah
I'm
sorry
go
ahead.
It
might
have
made
more
sense
to
just
make
that
reciprocal.
That
is,
if
either
side
proposes
a
significant
change
to
the
then
existing
plan.
The
burden
is
on.
Whoever
proposes
the
significant
change
to
do
the
draft.
This
is
written
as
well.
If
the
grantor
wants
to
make
a
change.
F
Yeah
I'm
wondering
about
going
back
to
whether
or
not
it's
just
putting
the
obligation
to
make
sure
it's
updated
every
10
years
to
place
that
burden
on
the
landowner,
but
who
actually
is
involved
in
coming
together
and
writing
that
update.
Maybe
it
does
a
little
bit
of
a
different
sentence
that
either
needs
to
be
added
or
clear.
J
Yeah
I
think
Tom.
You
raised
a
good
point.
There
could
be
instances
where
the
grantee,
in
this
case
open
space,
would
have
a
reason
of
why
they
would
want
to
see
the
management
plan
updated,
even
if
it
had
had
been
10
years
yet
or
the
conditions
of
the
property
didn't
change,
and
maybe
that
falls
into
you
know
the
evolution
of
best
management
practices
and
the
like.
So
good
suggestion
and
yeah
we'll
let
Bethany
know.
F
Yeah
before
this,
so
how
the
closing
will
work
is
that
the
conveyance
of
the
multi-year
path
agreement
will
be
first,
so
that
will
go
first,
then
this
agreement
will
come
between
between
this
between
the
city
and
the
long
family
in
which
then
be
made.
Knowing
that
the
transportation
department
would
assume
the
ownership
of
that,
then
this
easement
would
come
in
and
be
placed
over
it.
We,
we
were
concerned
that
we
would
automatically
put
ourselves
in
a
disposal
situation
where
we
would
that's.
B
F
B
F
B
B
F
The
through
the
recommendation,
the
NT
management
has
been
placed
under
the
auspices
of
the
open
space
mountain
parks
department,
so
an
open
space
fund
dollars
will
have
been
used
for
the
acquisition
of
the
easement.
Those
two
things
would
make
it
part
of
the
bailiwick
and
sort
of
the
Charter
area
of
open
space,
but
on
a
higher
level.
Yes,
the
city
is
the
holder
of
the
conservation
easement.
The
city
council
has
placed
the
management
under
the
auspices
of
the
open
space
department.
F
B
A
L
Not
proposing
to
add
this
to
the
motion,
this
is
sort
of
a
note.
I
would
send
along
with
emotion.
Let
me
just
read
it
and
you've
already
offered
an
to
convey
this
to
counsel
I
do
sort
of
feel
like
we
need
to
go
on
record
and
so
I
would
add
a
note
that
says
the
board
wishes
to
note
for
council
that
existing
public
uses
of
Long's
garden,
I'm
sorry
existing
public
uses
at
Long's
garden
are
not
guaranteed
or
required
by
the
conservation
easement.
L
I
A
I
agree,
as
you
can
tell
from
prior
comments.
I
certainly
agree
with
what
you're
saying
as
a
matter
of
process,
I'm
fine
with
just
making
sure
that
staff
conveys
that
do
you
feel
you
need
that
in
a
formal
board
statement
that
we
have
typed
up
and
vote
on,
or
are
you
comfortable,
I'm
comfortable,
either
way?
Okay,
if
you're
comfortable
well
I,
don't
feel
the
need
to
vote
on
it,
but
I,
don't
others
may
I
would.
C
Suggest
that
a
little
more
formal
process
take
place
where
you're
intending
to
put
a
cover
memo
on
the
motion
when
it's
conveyed
dan,
but
it
strikes
me
that
there
are
a
couple
of
things,
one
of
which
is
what
occurred
and
helot
brought
up,
that
we
want
to
do
a
further
more
or
a
footnote
or
whatever
the
the
other.
The
other
thing
is
this
goes
back
to
some
occurrence.
C
Concerns
are
staffing
and
funding,
and
it
strikes
me
that
I
hate
to
even
bring
this
other
topic
up,
but
it
strikes
me
in
similarity
to
the
prairie
dog
situation,
where
all
of
a
sudden,
the
expectations
are
now
on
the
open
space
Department
to
do
a
whole
bunch
of
things.
This
conservation
easement
is
much
more
complicated
than
most,
if
not
all,
of
the
current
conservation
easements,
and
so
it's
going
to
require
a
fair
amount
of
staff,
time
and
money
to
actually
accomplish
to
the
open
space
responsibilities.
C
F
Don't
have
so
the
tool
would
be
used
right
now.
We
have
the
draft
preliminary
council
memo
ready
to
go.
It
needs
to
go
out
by
noon
tomorrow.
It's
my
understanding
and
we
have
a
placeholder
for
whatever
recommendation
and
other
information
you
may
want
to
convey.
So
whatever
you
wanted
to
do
tonight,
there's
a
placeholder
ready
for
you,
I.
C
I
That,
for
simplicity's
sake,
I
think.
The
thing
that
is
very
important
to
City
Council
is
that
the
easement
meets
their
actual
goals
that
they
have
in
their
mind
and
that
the
community
has,
in
their
mind
and
I,
do
see
here
something
worthy
of
their
attention
on
that
on
these
other
items,
I
would
prefer
to
gratitude
for
the
to
the
grantor
and
also
to
you,
know
the
city
in
general
for
funding
it
and
expect
that
we
can.
We
can
manage
this
within
the
context
of
our
program.
That's
my
opinion.
I.
A
Would
say:
I'm
exactly
where
Hal
is
on
that?
Yes,
there
will
be
some
expenses
into
perpetuity
and
working
on
various
management
plans
and
overseeing
the
conservation
easement.
But
you
know
this
is
being
presented
and
I.
Don't
I
want
to
take
a
position
on
the
tax,
but
it's
being
presented
to
the
public
as
part
of
a
deal
and
part
of
the
deal
is
that
open
space
gets?
You
know
ninety
five,
a
hundred
million
dollars
or
what-have-you
over
the
subsequent
19
years
and
I,
don't
want
to
sort
of
come
across
as
well.
A
We
want
that
plus,
whatever
the
admin
cost
is
associated
with
managing
the
conservation,
easement
I
think
I
wanted
for
me
at
least
sort
of
focus
on
the
bigger
picture
here
and
all
these
conservation
easements
have
some
expenses.
This
is
probably
going
to
have
more
than
most,
but
in
the
broader
picture
of
20
years
of
five
million
plus
a
year
I'd.
Let
that
one
go.
But
that's!
That's
me.
I.
L
A
L
B
L
It's
kind
of
scribbling.
The
board
wishes
to
note
for
council
that
the
existing
public
uses
at
Long's
garden
are
not
guaranteed
more
required
by
the
conservation
easement.
Any
agreement
on
future
public
uses
would
need
to
be
codified
in
the
agricultural
management
plan
to
be
developed
between
the
city
and
the
owner.
I.
I
Propose
a
small
tweak
and,
and
rather
than
saying,
existing
uses,
because
I'm
not
sure
the
exact
is
existing
use
is
so
important
that
community
agricultural
engagement
is
not
mandated
by
I
mean
we
can't
so
go
so
far
as
to
tell
people
what
they
can
and
what
businesses
must
be
there
or
operating.
But
the
community.
Agriculture
and
engagement
is
an
element
that
people
value
in
this.
So
so
that's
what
I
suggested
that
are.
C
A
F
J
The
management
plan
couldn't
really
codify
uses.
It
could
ultimately,
the
uses
that
are
on
the
property
would
be
determined
by
the
landowner.
I
mean
as
an
easement
holder
and,
being
you
know,
at
the
table,
so
to
speak.
As
far
as
the
future
management
of
this
property,
we
could
encourage
uses
that
provide.
L
I'm,
starting
to
revise
my
statement
to
Council,
which
is
nothing,
guarantees
the
future
community
agricultural
activities.
Yeah
and
that's
I,
say
that
with
hesitancy,
but
we
need
to
understand
if
that's
really
the
case,
I
mean
the
Long's
through
their
good
graces,
and
everything
else
is
supportive.
These
things
for
many
years
and
people
have
a
great
investment
in
it.
We
may
need
to
tell
the
public
very
clearly
that
this
is
not
guaranteed
in
the
future
by
this
cooperative
agreement.
Sorry
conservation
unit,
but
that's
an
important
point.
Yeah.
J
Yeah
no
I
I
think
we've
heard
that
loud
and
clear
and
we'll
communicate
that
to
council
eyes.
I
would
just
say
that
the
intent
of
the
restrictions
in
the
easement
is
that
the
property
will
remain
accessible
to
some
uses
and
in
the
future,
so
by
requiring
that
the
property
remain
in
food,
fiber
and
flower
production.
Restricting
certain
types
of
agricultural
uses
like
ball
umbrella
nursery
sod,
farms,
equestrian
centers,
things
of
that
nature.
J
The
goal
again
is
to
better
ensure
not
guarantee,
but
at
least
better,
and
share
that
this
property
will
mean
accessible
to
those
types
of
food.
You
know
producing
food
fiber
and
flour
producing
agriculture,
but
yeah
you're
right
card
there.
There
isn't
a
Garen
guarantee
and
if
that's
council
and
the
community's
expectation
that
needs
to
be
communicated,
I.
I
A
L
That
we're
trying
to
sort
of
guarantee
something
into
the
future
that
is
done
voluntarily
by
the
family
and
I
I,
just
worried
that
the
public
thinks
that
we're
somehow
guaranteeing
that,
and
we
can't
even
obligate
the
family
to
do
that
next
year.
Maybe
that's
why
I
asked
about
existing
agreements
with
operators
that
maybe
those
are
more
binding
on
what
happens
than
this
ever
will
be
I
I,
don't
know.
B
F
In
that
case,
you'd
probably
want
to
turn
to
section
6
on
page
13,
which
has
the
productive
agricultural
uses
as
the
basis
for
the
land
management
plan.
That's
what
the
agreement
strives
for
and
that's
the
definition
of
that
productive
agricultural
use.
So
if
you
were
to
recite
something
right
which
is
trying
to
convey
that-
and
you
wanted
to
then
expand
upon
what
it
doesn't
say
that
might
be
the
quote:
you'd
want
to
bring
in
I.
L
And
I
don't
want
to
paint
a
picture
of
doom
and
gloom
right
if
there
is
already
under
agreements,
significant
continuity
of
existing
operations,
but
we
may
need
to
make
clear
to
Council
that
those
depend
upon
agreements
between
the
family
and
these
organizations
and
they
don't
depend
on
the
cooperative
agreement
or
the
agricultural
management
plan.
I
mean
I.
Don't
want
to
overstate
this,
but
I
don't
want
to
not
make
it
clear.
B
R
R
Know
and
we've
tried,
we
understand
wheat,
that's
what
we
want,
but
you
cannot
make
things
so
restrictive.
You
really
can't
guarantee
the
future.
We
can
try
and
what's
that's
what
we've
tried
to
do
with
everybody's
help
is
to
structure
things
in
a
way
we've
agreed
to
something
very
restrictive
by
adding
the
affirmative
agriculture
covenant.
That's
not
something
that's
been
done
really
so
we're
trying
as
much
as
we
can
to
direct
this
into
the
future,
but
we
all
are
not
going
to
be
here
in
the
future,
and
we
need
to
lead
this
with
enough
flexibility.
R
I
get
your
point,
but
I
think
the
public's
fairly
aware
and
the
council
is
aware
of
things.
It's
fine
if
you
want
to
tell
them
but
I,
while
I
appreciate
everything
you're
trying
to
do
I
guess
I
will
also
want
you
to
think
there's
only
so
much
you
can
do
to
try
and
guarantee.
So
thanks
think
about
that
one.
Thank
you
and.
L
F
Add
a
slide
pointing
out
section
six
in
a
positive
way.
Okay,
you
know
here's.
Where
was
a
tough
negotiation?
I
mean
this
part
was
this
was
important
to
the
city.
Section
six
was
very
important
to
the
city
without
Section
six,
we
weren't
feeling
as
good
so
Catherine
and
the
family
relented
and
agreed
that
there's
their
goals
are
also
met
by
section
six,
but
that
that's
not
one
that
you
see
every
day
in
every
easement,
so
one
section
six
was
was
important
to
the
city.
F
If
family
came
along
on
that,
I
think
that
if
we
presented
it
to
Council,
I'd
want
to
do
it
in
a
way.
Maybe
I
don't
know
if
it
was
hell,
but
somebody
suggested
that
there's
positives
on
this
section.
Six
is
saying
some
great
things:
that's
right
and
but
yeah
just
to
be
clear.
It's
not
guaranteeing
that
the
community
aspect
of
all.
This
is
what
we
may
see
a
hundred
years
from
now
or
even
ten
years.
I
A
I
think
it
is
far
more
efficient
for
you
to
convey
that
than
for
us
potentially
spend
a
good
bit
of
time
trying
to
wordsmith
what
probably
is
a
controversial,
but
maybe
a
challenge
to
get
the
wording
exactly
right.
So
unless
someone
I
guess,
maybe
we
should
just
as
a
matter
of
procedures.
If
someone
wants
to
make
a
motion,
then
we'll
see
if
there's
a
friendly
amendment,
but.
A
A
C
I
still
think
it's
worth
putting
some
language
in
there
and
it
strikes
me
in
reading
the
sentence
that,
in
the
middle
of
six
that
begins,
the
parties
recognize
that
climate
change,
economic
change,
bah-bah-bah
I,
think
just
putting
that
in
and
saying
you
know
the
board,
you
know
would
like
to
make
sure
the
council
notes
or
something
like
that.
There
are
changes
in
the
future
and
and
so
I
think
that
sentence.
B
C
C
C
B
Have
a
question
for
staff
about
information
items
that
were
included
in
the
packet
and
I
I
want
to
start
with
the
written
information
about
under
as
undesignated
trail
monitoring,
because
I
think
that
the
sequence
of
events
mapped
out
in
the
first
paragraph,
where
that
item
are
absolutely
right
on
with
the
monitoring
data
and
analysis,
guiding
future
policy
and
management
direction
and
giving
context
of
management
decisions.
First,
staff
that
is
right
on
and
I
just
want
to
give
you
a
gold
star
for
that.
I
really
appreciate
that
sequence.
B
When
I
read
the
written
information
for
the
voice
and
sight
tag
program,
I
run
into
a
problem,
because
the
first
paragraph
indicates
those
same
kinds
of
things:
the
compliance
monitoring,
the
revisions
of
fees
and
violations
and
the
education
classes
and
all
those
things.
And
then
it
goes
on
to
say
that
staff
has
already
done
a
revision
of
the
refresher
education
course
to
enhance
its
ability
to
be
perceived
well
by
participants
and
improve
customer
service.
B
But
I,
don't
know
what
that
revision
was
based
on,
since
we
don't
have
any
information
about
the
effectiveness
or
compliance
of
the
program.
We
don't
know
what
the
compliance
monitoring
showed
and
we
still
haven't
received
any
information
on
the
monitoring
that
was
completed
in
2015
and
2018
and
apparently
won't
until
the
second
quarter
of
next
year,
and
so
I
want
to
hear
a
little
bit
about
the
sequence
of
those
events,
because
they
don't
make
obvious
sense
to
me.
P
Thank
you
yes,
the
Karen.
That's
we
prefer
to
do
things
like
you
pointed
out
in
the
undesignated
trail
section.
However,
when
the
Council
passed
the
program
enhancements
in
2014
that
we
started
implemented
in
2015,
there
was
a
clause
in
the
code
they
got
put
into
the
code
about
renewals
for
people
at
the
five-year
anniversary.
Unfortunately,
our
monitoring-
we
do
not
have
the
capacity
to
complete
our
monitoring
and
the
analysis
of
it
to
inform
potential
policy
changes
which
we
hope
for
you
to
consider
next.
P
Second
quarter
of
next
year,
when
we
have
that
information
ready
and
have
a
place
on
the
agenda
to
discuss
that
the
meantime,
we
had
to
create
a
way
for
people
to
renew
for
those
those
five-year
renewals,
and
so
we,
along
with
some
other
enhancements
to
the
program
that
are
described
in
this
memo.
They
are
more
based
on
just
staffs
understanding
of
how
people
are
relating
to
the
program
and
how
we
can
improve
it
from
a
customer
service.
Standpoint
they're
also
meeting
that
requirement,
that
was
in
the
city
code
for
the
renewals.
P
Our
monitoring
staff
were
involved
on
the
team
to
inform
the
video
that
they
put
together.
That
will
be
part
of
that
renewal
process
and
that
enhancement
and
incorporated
what
they
knew
at
that
time
of
any
potential
changes
that
or
emphasis
areas
of
emphasis
that
could
be
put
into
there.
Although
I
think
what
the
the
situation
will
really
be
that
when
we
come
back
next
year
and
review
this
with
you,
if
there
are
any
changes,
it's
likely
that
we
will
have
to
go
back
in
and
update
the
videos
for
the
refreshers
so
and.
B
P
You
know
I
believe
they
were
continuing
to
do
some
into
2019
in
order
to
get
adequate
sample
sizes
and
then
also
we
just
have
limited
human
dimension
staff
and
they
are
working
on
a
lot
of
other
projects.
And
this
is
one
of
many,
with
limited
capacity
to
do
all
the
analysis
and
a
as
timely
manner
as
we
might
hope
to
coincide
with
the
programmatic
needs
for
the
voice
and
site
I.
F
I
would
say:
Karen
I
really
appreciate
you
pointing
this
out,
because
that
was
how
we're
gelling.
Together
we
looked
at
the
undesignated
trails
as
an
example
of
just
that,
and
we
spent
a
good
deal
of
the
summer
from
the
directors
team,
philosophical
standpoint
of
like
wait.
What
informs
what
who
needs
to
be
involved
in
what
the
monitoring
isn't,
necessarily
the
same
team
that
would
didn't
come
up
with
the
management
and-
and
so
we
feel
really
good
about
how
this
is
all
playing
out
with
undesignated
trails.
F
A
B
P
Issue
so
I
couldn't
inquire
about
that.
What
that
is
wrapped
up
in
some
of
the
tasks
that
you're
having
us
work
on
related
to
the
prairie
dog
working
group
that
have
generally
been
pushed
out,
the
MU
and
Council
reviewed,
and
we
we
pushed
out
some
of
the
plague
management
stuff
so
that
we
could
get
to
other
priority
elements
of
the
prairie
dog
management
and
the
recommendations
of
the
working
group.
As
well
as
now,
the
expedited
review,
which
were
diligently
working
on
and
putting
that
together.
P
B
P
P
B
P
A
Prairie
dogs
I,
wanted
to
note,
commend
the
the
trailhead
signage.
He
was
on
Joe
dirted
a
and
noticed
a
very
large
sign,
acknowledging
the
October
23rd
meeting
and
I
think
you
know
recognizing
a
lot
of
people
who
use
the
system
out
there
don't
get
reached
by
other
forms
of
media
I.
Think
that's
always
a
great.
A
That's
as
I
mentioned
the
October
23rd
prairie
dog
meeting,
which
think
that
begins
at
5:30
at
the
hub
and
then
the
November
7th
ecological
restoration
projects,
open
house
that
was
mentioned
earlier
this
evening,
also
at
the
hub
at
5:30.
So
just
well
first
check
to
see
if
there's
anyone
knows
of
any
other
events,
that
between
now
and
these
next
month's
board
meeting
on
November
13th
that
they
think
would
warrant
public
notice.
I
can't
think
of
any
all
right.