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A
A
And
take
the
role
for
the
board
members
dave
kunz.
B
A
D
D
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you
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D
When
we
get
to
the
public
comment
sections
later
on,
if
you
want
to
raise
your
hand
to
speak,
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it.
A
Thanks
alison
and
next
is
approval
of
the
minutes
for
the
june
8th,
2022
board
meeting
and
let's
go
through
it
page
by
page,
as
we
usually
do
so.
Are
there
any
suggested
revisions
or
corrections
for
the
first
page
of
the
minutes.
E
I
have
a
suggestion
with
agenda
item
three,
at
least
on
this
page.
It
looks
like
all
that
public
input
happened
at
once.
I
know
on
the
next
page
there
is
a
a
clarification
about
public
comment,
but
I'm
wondering
if
we
ought
to-
I
don't
know,
maybe
make
a
note
after
margaret
and
before,
let's
see
no,
no,
not
margaret
sorry.
E
Jones,
yes,
thank
you
two
up
after
between
steve
jones
and
and
yeah,
it's
confusing
because
in
it
looks
like
lens,
but
sagas
seagulls
spoke
twice
on
the
same
public
comment.
E
E
So
I
just
wonder
if
we
should
footnote
that
is
that
another
header
saying
the
public
hearing
at
whatever
minutes
minute
marker
that
was
and
break
that
up.
A
I
think
that's
a
good
idea
and
it
jives
with
the
comment
over
on
page
three
as
well.
F
E
It's
more
about
the
time
rather
than
the
topic,
so
you
could
find
that
set
that
set
of
comments.
Public
comment
at
was
it
90
minutes
whenever
that
happens?
So
if
somebody
wanted
to
go
and
listen
to
those
comments,
they
could
go,
they
could
scroll
over
to
90
minute
marker
sure.
F
F
A
The
other
suggestion
or
question
I
guess
for
the
board
that
I
have
is
on
page
one
under
agenda
item
two
between
dave's
reading
of
the
proclamation
and
the
statement
about
public
comment,
board
members
and
board
and
staff
members
spoke
and
given
all
the
names
about
comments,
I
don't
know
whether
you
want
to
put
all
the
names
or
just
insert
there
a
general
sentence.
That
said
several
board
and
staff
members
spoke.
B
B
A
Okay,
now
we're
ready
for
public
comment.
Allison
are
there
people
signed
up
for
public
comment?
First
of
all,.
D
I
I
J
Hi
good
evening,
everyone,
I
am
also
here
to
speak
in
support
of
the
extension
of
the
gold
or
the
golden
eagle
closures
on
osmp
lands.
I
am
the
executive
director
of
the
boulder
climbing
community,
the
bcc
we
have
over
1100
members.
We
are
the
main
stewardship
organization
for
the
entire
front
range
and
it
existed
for
over
seven
or
for
over
12
years.
J
We
are
a
climbing
organization,
but
we're
also
trail
runners,
skiers,
bikers
we
are
heavy
users
of
osmp
lands
and
our
mission
is
to
care
for
climbing
areas
to
the
benefit
of
all
and
that's
why
I'm
here
tonight,
because
we,
we
include
in
the
all
non-climbers
and
we
put
relationships
first
in
our
dealings.
J
That
includes
with
land
managers
and
osmp,
is
one
of
our
strongest
partnerships
with
land
managers,
and
so
we
want
to
show
our
support
for
this
initiative.
Our
stewardship
work
includes
building
sustainable
trails.
We
recently
worked
on
hillbilly
rock
in
skunk
canyon
and
on
the
royal
arch
trail
last
summer,
we
spent,
I
think,
six
weeks
up
on
the
royal
arch
trail.
J
K
Yeah,
I
don't
believe
in
john
and
albert
einstein
that
the
more
you
repeat
something
the
more
you're
insane.
Okay,
I'm
gonna
keep
repeating
this.
You
know
he's
wrong.
I'm
going
to
keep
repeating
this
until
something
changes,
and
that
is,
I
don't
think
that
this
process-
and
I
don't
blame
you
allison
for
you-
know
giving
the
discussion
about
how
you
have
to
behave
yourself
before
you
speak,
but
I
don't
find
it
welcoming
at
all
and
nobody
ever
speaks
anyway.
Hardly
ever
I'm
the
one
who
always
speaks.
K
So
how
do
you
make
it
more
welcoming
you?
You
know
when
people
sign
up
or
when
they
visit
the
site,
they
have
to
find
a
disclaimer,
and
then
you
don't
have
to
talk
about
how
they
have
to
behave
themselves.
K
If
I
feel
like
a
little
kid,
it's
really
insulting
and
it's
not
engaging
the
public
to
want
to
speak,
and
I
think
that
you
all
want
the
public
to
like
have
something
to
say,
but
you
know
you're
not
going
to
get
him
in
this
manner
now
the
main
thing
I
want
to
actually
talk
about
at
substance.
Each
time
also
is
doing
anything
you
possibly
can
through
osbt
to
stop
see
you
south.
This
is
a
disaster.
I'm
fighting
my
property
tax
assessment,
it's
going
up
up
and
up.
K
You
know
and
there's
no
way
to
get
the
deferred
maintenance
dealt
with
on
my
place,
because
there's
no
contractors
because
they're
building
like
crazy
and
cu
any
land
dispersal
to
them
to
you
is
it's
a
takings
and
I
won't
accept
it
as
a
taxpayer.
I
will
not
accept.
I
will
never
sign
up
for
another
open
space
board.
You
know
funding
ballot
measure,
never
ever
again.
K
If,
if
you
do
anything
about
that
land,
giving
anything
away
to
see,
you
cu
owns
this
town.
You
know
we
are
a
subsidiary
of
cu
and
that
is
not
okay.
It's
it's
a
huge
impact
on
our
osmp.
It's
a
huge
impact
on
our
maintenance
and
it's
a
huge
impact
on
everything
to
do
transportation,
planning
everything
to
do
with
the
city.
K
K
In
fact,
you
should
be
supporting
their
shrinking
their
size,
because
this
is
just
not
sustainable
for
them
to
to
go
on
as
they
have
and
to
go
on
as
they
are
so
no
land
dispersal,
no
more
high
water
bills.
I
can't
afford
any
more
bills
and
I'm
fighting
my
property
taxes
to
the
to
the
death
and
it's
tough
thanks.
A
Thanks
alison,
the
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
a
presentation
from
an
eagle
summit
volunteer,
and
this
goes
back
to
our
the
board's
discussions
on
the
2018
voice
and
site
monitoring
report,
which
found
only
56
percent
compliance
with
our
seasonal
leash
regulations
that
required
dogs
leashed
from
august
15th
to
november
1st,
to
avoid
disrupting
bears,
while
they
feed
during
the
critical
pre-hibernation
period
and
to
protect
dogs
and
their
guardians
on
the
trails.
A
As
the
board
knows
from
previous
activity
on
this
topic
and
the
standard
for
compliance
for
seasonal
bear
closures
proposed
in
the
2005
visitor
management
plan
was
90
to
100.
A
So
you
can
see
we're
far
away
from
that
compliance
rate
and
given
osmp's
adaptive
management
approach,
we
need
to
continue
to
do
the
things
required
to
try
to
improve
that
compliance
rate,
and
last
year
you
may
remember
that
staff
placed
signs
with
regulatory
information
on
the
in
these
five
areas
and
federal
agency
research
shows
that
direct
interaction
with
people
by
designated
officials
being
out
on
the
trails
having
one-on-one
interactions
with
people
achieves
a
much
higher
compliance,
and
when
I
learned
about
two
programs
that
do
that
kind
of
one-on-one
interaction,
I
invited
leaders
of
those
well-established
volunteer
programs
to
give
brief
presentations
to
us
and
we're
starting
tonight
with
mike
browning
who's
immediate
past,
president
of
the
eagle
summit
wilderness
volunteer
group
to
start
us
off
with
by
sharing
the
key
elements
of
that
program
that
has
direct
engagement
with
visitors
to
improve
responsible
behavior.
A
So
with
that
background
and
and
michelle
asked
how
this
got
on
the
agenda,
the
first
reason
is
because
it's
a
issue
that
where
the
board
has
been
dealing
with
and
will
continue
to
deal
with-
and
the
second
is
when
dan
and
I
meet
to
structure
the
agenda.
We
decided
to
put
this
here
for
those
of
you
who
are
unfamiliar
with
the
rules
for
the
open
space
board
at
the
bottom
of
the
open
space
board
page
on
the
website.
E
Karen
I
I
want
to
take-
I
don't
want
to
be
disrespectful
to
our
volunteers.
I
want
to
take
up
this
topic
around
procedure
during
our
during
the
actual
matters
from
the
board
section:
okay,
but
I'm
I'm
I'm
open
to
and
and
willing
and
excited
to
hear
this
presentation
and
but
I'd
like
to
take
up
the
the
matter
of
procedure
later.
A
Okay,
thanks
with
that
mike
we're
ready
to
hear
your
presentation,
and
I
think
there
are
slides
leah
that
you
can
put
up.
H
L
Great,
my
name
is
mike
browning.
I
lived
in
boulder
in
the
shanahan
rich
neighborhood
for
over
40
years,
but
more
important
and
relevant
for
tonight.
I'm
a
board
member
of
the
eagle
summit
wilderness
alliance
and
served
as
his
chair
in
both
2020
and
2021
s
was
a
small
non-profit
that
helps
the
forest
service,
maintain
and
protect
the
federal
wilderness
areas
in
both
eagle
and
summit
counties,
including
the
eagle's
nest
and
holy
cross
wilderness
areas.
L
L
Many
people
who
do
not
have
their
dogs
on
leash
simply
are
not
aware
of
the
regulations,
despite
a
lot
of
signage
of
the
trailheads,
but
they
readily
comply.
When
asked
to
do
so,
and
and
given
a
little
bit
information
about
why
it's
important
users
who
do
not
have
their
dogs
on
leash,
usually
quickly
put
their
dogs
on
leash
as
soon
as
they
see
one
of
our
rangers,
and
they
explain
the
reasons
for
the
rule
in
our
experience
boots
on
the
ground
and
personal
interactions
are
much
more
effective
than
science
alone.
L
Our
rangers
are
instructed
to
have
friendly
and
educational
discussions
with
users.
They
thank
the
users
who
do
have
their
dogs
on
leash
and
when
dogs
are
not
on
leash,
our
volunteers
don't
threaten
or
scold.
Rather
they
explain
the
why?
Behind
the
rule,
including
the
negative
impact
of
off-leash
dogs
on
wildlife,
almost
all
users
we
speak
with,
are
open
to
learning
about
and
complying
with
leash
rule
once
they
become
aware
of
it
and
the
reasons
behind
it.
L
Next
slide,
please,
our
volunteer
wellness
rangers
use,
what's
called
the
authority
of
the
resource
technique.
This
technique
has
contrasted
with
the
authority
of
the
agency
technique.
L
The
authority
of
the
resource
technique
emphasizes
explaining
the
why,
behind
the
rule
and
the
benefits
to
the
resource
that
compliance
with
the
rule
provides,
rather
than
talking
about
the
penalties
for
violation
of
the
rule,
there
are
five
steps
to
the
authority
of
the
resource
technique
that
you
can
see
on
the
slide
here.
L
For
instance,
if
one
of
our
ranger
sees
a
dog
awfully,
she
does
not
say
didn't
you
see
the
sign,
that's
against
the
law
to
have
your
dog
off
leash.
There's
a
hundred
dollar
fine
for
it,
rather
after
some
sort
of
friendly
greeting,
she
would
say
something
like
I
notice
your
dog's
not
on
leash
it's
important
to
have
your
dog
unleashed
to
help
protect
our
local
wildlife,
the
wildlife
that
we
all
love
is
already
under
a
lot
of
stress.
Given
the
increased
number
of
users
we
have.
L
Do
you
happen
to
have
a
leash
with
you?
If
not,
I
can
loan
you
one
thanks
and
have
a
great
day.
L
So
that's
the
the
authority
of
the
resource
technique
that
we
found
to
be
very
compelling
and
effective
in
in
both
educating
and
enforcing
the
unleashed
role
rule
in
wilderness
areas.
Next
slide,
please.
L
We
also
have
a
trail
host
program
where
our
arrangers
sit
at
tables
at
trail,
heads
and
greeted
the
farm
trail
users.
In
about
the
same
way,
this
allows
us
to
catch.
Almost
everybody
who
uses
that
trail
in
2021,
our
wilderness
rangers
did
over
400
patrols
covered
over
2700
miles
and
counted
over
12
000
trail
users
trail
hosts
encountered
another
2
500..
L
We
use
a
simple
online
sign
up
system
where
rangers
sign
up
to
do
a
patrol
on
whatever
day
and
trail
they
want
to
that
way.
We
know
what
trails
are
being
covered
and
on
what
days,
it
also
makes
it
very
convenient
for
the
rangers.
We
do
the
same
sort
of
thing
for
trailhead
hosts.
L
L
A
We
have
time
on
the
agenda
for
q,
a
if
members
of
the
board
have
questions
or
staff
for
that
matter.
Caroline.
M
Yeah,
were
you
able
to
track,
or
did
you
find
somehow
over
time
that
the
people
that
you
were
able
to
interact
and
speak
with
were
for
lack
of
a
better
term,
not
a
repeat
offender
that,
after
that,
they
found?
You
know,
like
you
said,
maybe
they
just
didn't
notice
the
signs
and-
and
they
didn't
know
that
it
reduced
the
level
of
that
activity
happening
in
that
way.
L
Yeah,
we
don't
probably
have
any.
You
know
statistically
valid
things,
but
I
know
that
you
know
our
organization
started
in
summit
county
on
the
east
side
of
the
eagle's
nest.
L
Wilderness
and
we've
been
using
this
technique
over
there
for
five
or
ten
years,
we've
only
started
using
it
on
the
west
side
of
the
eagle's
nest
in
eagle
county
for
the
last
two
or
three
years
and
the
numbers
we
show
that
the
compliance
in
the
eagle's
nest
wilderness
on
the
summit
side
are
over
80
percent,
whereas
in
the
eagle
side
it's
50
or
60
percent.
So
where
we
have
used
this
technique
over
the
years,
you
know
just
the
raw
data
indicated
it
has
been
effective.
We
haven't
been
able
to
track
it.
G
L
G
Mike
what
what's
the
nuts
and
bolts
relationship
that
your
group
has
with
the
forest
service.
L
We're
sort
of
official
partners
with
the
forest
service.
We
work
under
a
partnership
agreement
with
them.
They
allow
us
to
use
the
official
and
where
the
us
official
forest
service
volunteer
uniform.
So
we
have
some
sort
of
official
looking
garment
on
when
we
attract
people,
we
go
through
a
training
process
of
learning
how
to
use
the
authority
of
the
resource
and
how
to
encounter
the
public
and
we
submit
data
to
the
forest
service,
so
we're
a
partner
with
this
forest
service.
They
help
us
train
volunteers
and
they
help
decide.
L
L
So
they
simply
can't
get
rangers
on
the
ground
and
they
really
appreciate
our
presence
on
the
ground
as
ambassadors
and
showing
the
flag
and
reminding
people
that
you
know
there
are
rules
and
helping
explain
to
the
people
what
those
rules
are
so
that
we're
we're,
not
an
enforcement
agency
but
we're
educational
arm
of
the
forest
service.
In
that
regard,.
L
L
You
know,
I
would
think
if
the
city
did
something
then
you'd
put
on
your
own
trading
training
program.
It
might
be
half
a
day
or
something
and
would
probably
want
to
give
volunteers
some
sort
of
official
looking
volunteer,
ranger
shirt
just
so
that
people
on
the
trail
would
know
that
you
know
you
have
some
official
standing
with
the
city.
E
Mike
I'm
sorry
I'm
having
a
little
bit
of
difficulty
with
the
my
volume
of
my
computer
here.
Did
you
see
that
that
you
do
have
seasonal
leashing,
or
is
it
all
the
time
leashed.
L
In
the
eagle
sense
wilderness,
it's
all
the
time
leash,
so
it
has
to
be
all
the
time,
as
I
say,
there's
signage
at
the
trail
head.
That
says
that,
but
a
lot
of
people
go
right
past
the
trail
they're
excited
to
get
out
into
the
wilderness
area.
So
don't
read
those
trails
so
they're
not
aware
that
there
is
a
leash
rule
regardless
of
the
time
of
year.
L
So
you
know,
I
think
it
would
be
the
same
situation,
maybe
even
a
more
relevant
situation
when
the
leash
laws
change
on
and
off,
because
people
get
confused
about
when
they
have
to
be
on
on
or
off.
We
don't
have
this
bad
problem
in
a
timing
standpoint,
but
there
is
a
lot
of
confusion
about
just
having
to
have
your
dogs
on
leash
at
all
in
the
wilderness
area.
E
B
E
With
off
leash,
then
you
go
to
to
seasonal
leash,
and
then
you
go
to
like
all
the
time.
Leashing,
it's
probably
a
little
bit
of
an
exaggeration,
but
it's
I
think
it's
hard
to.
I
think
people
generally
want
to
comply
and
the
people
who
want
to
comply
want
to
comply,
but
don't
really
understand
that
even
in
one
hike
that
it
can
change
multiple
times.
L
Yeah
yeah,
I
can
certainly
understand
that,
and
I
think
it's
maybe
another
reason
to
have
you
know
in-person
contact
and
on
on-site
versions,
so
they
can
sort
of
explain
why
it's
changes
and
it
has
changed
and
you
can
do
that
in
a
friendly
manner
like
we
do
like
well
gee,
I
see
your
doc's
not
unleashed.
You
might
have
not
seen
the
sign
that
needs
to
be
unleashed,
and
this
is
why
this
area
is
different
than
another
area.
E
Yeah,
I
would
love
to
have
a
volunteer
program.
That's
similar
to
yours.
Doing
exactly
that.
One
other
question
is:
do
you
you?
You
live
up
in
in
the
mountains,
so
you
realize
that
I
don't
know
if
you
spend
much
time
in
boulder.
Do
you
see
a
lot
of
differences
between
the
the
area
that
you're
managing
versus
our
properties,
which
are
really
that
we're
not
in
the
wilderness,
we're
urban
adjacent,
and
so
I
think
the
the
wildlife
tends
to
be
different
and
therefore
there
are
reasons
for
the
rules
being
different.
L
Yeah
I
I
actually
lived
and
worked
in
boulder
for
40
years,
or
so
we
had
a
second
house
up
in
vail,
but
now
that
I'm
retired
I'm
spending
more
time
up
there
than
here,
but
I
spent
40
years
in
the
boulder
area
doing
open
space
hiking.
You
know,
I
think,
there's
a
couple
similarities.
One
is
up
in
the
mountains.
They
get
a
lot
of
out-of-state
visitors
who
don't
know
what
a
wilderness
area
is.
L
You
know,
don't
read
the
local
papers,
don't
know
what
the
rules
are
and
I
think
in
boulder
I've
encountered
the
same
thing
with
students
who
come
in
with
visitors
with
people
from
other
cities
in
the
area
that
come
to
the
open
space
we
have
here
in
boulder
and
aren't
as
acquainted,
maybe
as
the
locals
with
you
know
what
some
of
the
rules
are.
So
you
know
having
that
mix
of
users
between,
for
you
know,
locals,
and
people
who
aren't
locals,
I
think,
is
similar
in
terms
of
wildlife.
L
I
think
it's
just
a.
I
find
that
people
don't
really
understand
what
their
impact
is
on
wildlife
or
what
the
danger
of
encountering
wildlife
is,
and
that's
true
for
locals
and
non-locals,
and
particularly
with
respect
to
bears
and
protecting
their
habitat.
It's
similar
to
elk
and
protecting
moose
habitat
up
in
the
wilderness.
L
It's
really
an
educational
process
of
explaining
to
people
that
you
know
they
live
here
too,
it's
their
home.
We
need
to
cohabitate
with
them
and
sometimes
what
we
do,
even
though
we
don't
intend
to
is
harmful
for
that
wildlife.
We
that
we
all
would
like
to
see.
So
I
think
it's
very
similar
in
terms
of
the
educational
component,
explaining
the
why,
behind
the
rule,
not
just
sort
of
saying
you
know,
I'm
going
to
bust
your
chops,
if
you
don't
your
dog
on
a
leash.
A
Thanks
mike
john,
before
we
end
this
segment,
do
you
have
a
question
that
you
haven't
asked
yet.
L
Thanks
and
I'll
just
add,
you
know,
we
we've
been
really
surprised
how
many
people
really
want
to
be
rangers
up
in
the
wilderness
areas
in
vail
in
colorado
and
my
personal
experience
having
lived
in
boulder
for
40
years.
I
would
love
to
do
that
here
too,
and
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
people
who
would
like
I'd
love
to
do
that
and
would
volunteer
their
time
to
do
it.
So
hopefully
I
would
encourage
you
to
try
to
put
that
sort
of
program
in
place,
because
I
think
you'd
have
a
lot
of
citizen
support.
A
And
next
on,
our
agenda
is
dan's
going
to
introduce
the
next
item
for.
N
Yeah
thanks
karen
yeah
we're
transitioning
now
into
a
public,
a
public
hearing
item
which
is
a
request
that
the
open
board,
open
space
board
of
trustees
recommend
that
boulder
city
council
approve
the
acquisition
of
approximately
1.15
acres
of
land
and
a
second
parcel
of
0.38
acres
that
is
currently
owned
by
boulder
county
and
bethany
collins.
Our
senior
real
estate
services
work
group
manager
will
be
presenting
this
and,
as
some
of
the
board
members
may
know,
this
is
been
on
the
rolling
calendar
for
about
a
year
now.
N
O
Guys
it's
been
a
couple
months,
I
think,
and
nice
to
meet
you,
john
I'm
I
I
you
you
missed
me,
but
I
was
on
a
whole
bunch
in
previous
months
so
good
evening.
Trustees,
so
dan
gave
a
great
intro
of
the
agenda
item
for
this
evening,
and
leah
is
gonna,
pull
up
our
presentation
for
the
night
and
it's
it's
quite
short,
so
I'll
provide
a
brief
presentation
to
supplement
the
information
provided
in
the
memo
and
then
we'll
have
time
for
questions
and
discussion.
O
Of
course,
tina
berghardt
senior
land
officer
with
boulder
county
parks
and
open
space
is
also
online
with
us
tonight.
In
case
there
are
questions
of
the
county
next
slide.
Please.
O
The
federal
emergency
management
agency's
hazard
mitigation
grant
program
and
the
department
of
housing
and
urban
development's
community
development
block
grant
for
disaster
recovery
were
the
primary
relief
programs
utilized
in
boulder
county
flood
affected.
Households
were
eligible
to
apply
for
these
grant
programs
and
voluntarily
sell
their
damaged
property
for
pre-flood
value.
O
Boulder
county
acquired
a
total
of
44
flood
buyout
properties
amounting
to
approximately
117
acres.
The
properties
range
in
size,
from
0.2
to
25.89
acres,
with
the
majority
of
the
properties
being
less
than
two
acres
once
each
property
was
purchased,
the
improvements
were
removed,
consistent
with
their
requirements
of
the
federal
funding
and
the
land
was
restored
under
direction
of
boulder
county
parks
and
open
space,
ecology
staff
to
fulfill
the
requirements
of
the
federal
funding.
The
properties
are
to
be
managed
in
perpetuity
consistent
with
the
terms
of
restricted.
O
Excuse
me
restrictive,
covenants
tied
to
the
property
deeds
in
general.
These
require
the
properties
to
be
used
for
open
space,
recreation
and
wetland
management
purposes
and
prohibit
any
improvements
other
than
specific
facilities
related
to
recreational
or
open
space
uses
or
flood
control
infrastructure.
O
Tonight
you
are
considering
city
acquisition
of
two
parcels
that
are
adjacent
to
city,
owned,
open
space
and
have
been
identified
as
appropriate
for
osmp
management.
If
approved,
these
would
be
transferred
at
no
cost
to
the
city
other
than
certain
transaction
and
due
diligence
costs
next
slide.
Please
leah.
O
The
first
of
these
is
the
chambers
property
located
at
809
lee
hill
road.
The
property
is
approximately
1.15
acres
and
surrounded
by
osmp,
managed
lands
and
includes
a
short
segment
of
four
mile
canyon
creek.
It's
adjacent
to
boulder
city
limits
and
is
almost
entirely
within
the
four
mile
canyon,
creek,
floodway
and
100
year.
Flood
plain
it's
also
very
highly
visible
from
lee
hill
drive
and
osmp's
old
kiln
spur
trail
next
slide.
O
Please
the
site
previously
included
a
residence
and
garage
which
sustained
significant
damage
in
the
2013
flood
from
both
creek
flooding
and
hillside
debris
flow,
as
seen
in
this
aerial
photo
due
to
the
property's
location
in
the
in
these
natural
hazard
areas,
including
the
floodway
and
floodplain,
the
landowners
were
eligible
for
federal
funding
and
sold
the
property
to
boulder
county
next
slide.
Please
in
2017
the
county
performed
demolition
of
the
improvements,
including
the
access
culvert,
as
well
as
re-vegetation
of
the
site.
The
property
now
provides
scenic
and
habitat
continuity
to
the
surrounding
open
space.
O
The
meyer
property
is
located
at
40511,
boulder
canyon
drive
and
is
bordered
by
the
u.s
patent,
green
mountain,
open
space
property,
it's
about
0.38
acres
and
is
visible
from
boulder
canyon
drive
and
the
boulder
canyon
bike
path,
and
due
to
its
slope
topography,
it
has
been
identified
as
flash
flood
prone
and
susceptible
to
debris.
Flow
next
slide.
Please
leah.
O
The
site
previously
included
two
residences
and
two
shed-like
structures
which
sustained
significant
damage
during
the
2013
flood
from
hillside
debris
flow,
as
seen
in
this
aerial
photo
due
to
its
location
on
the
steep
slope
and
in
the
natural
hazard
area,
the
landowners
qualified
again
for
federal
funding
and
sold
the
property
to
boulder
county
next
slide.
Please
leah.
O
In
2016
and
2017,
the
county
performed
demolition
of
the
improvements
and
reclamation
the
site,
including
structural
grading,
for
erosion
control.
The
property
provides
habitat
continuity
to
the
surrounding
open
space,
which
includes
similar
slope
challenges
and
protections
and
city
ownership
will
allow
even
better
control
and
agency
coordination
of
parking
and
creek
use
user
issues
in
this
area.
O
Next
slide,
please,
leo,
though
the
parcels
are
small
in
size,
making
it
more
difficult
to
boast
about
their
important
resource
attributes.
City
ownership
of
the
proposed
acquisitions
will
support
several
master
plan
strategies
and
charter
purposes,
primarily
those
that
touch
on
the
importance
of
protection
of
riparian
corridors,
flood
plains
and
scenic
vistas
and
reducing
habitat
fragmentation.
O
Osmp
staff
is
supportive
of
the
acquisition
of
the
chambers
and
meyer
properties
from
boulder
county
and
recommends
that
they
be
acquired
by
the
city
as
open
space.
Boulder
county
parks
and
open
space
fully
supports
this
opportunity
and
will
seek
any
necessary
county
commissioner
approval
of
this
transaction.
N
And
just
a
reminder:
karen,
we
should
have
clarifying
questions
at
this
point,
probably
open
the
public
hearing
and
then
go
to
more
generalized
questions
and
opinions.
G
O
At
the
meyer
property
that
the
management
challenges
were
actually
slightly
lessened,
even
from
our
adjacent
open
space
by
the
installation,
they
did,
they
did
some
grading
that
that
installed
some
kind
of
natural
erosion
control
down
that
down
the
slope
as
far
as,
if
you're,
if
you're
asking
about
management
challenges
related
to
parking
on
the
right-of-way,
or
are
you
asking
specific
to
okay?
So
a
majority
of
the
of
the
parking
issues
are
still
within
the
cdot
right-of-way,
and
so
we
would
be
able
to.
O
You
know,
install
kind
of
rail
fencing
to
to
prevent
it
from
going
even
further
into
into
the
property
or
off
of
the
right-of-way.
But
this
does
we
don't
anticipate
a
whole
lot
of
further
management.
Only.
You
know
that
that
multi-agency
coordination
to
ensure
parking
and
and
to
to
try
to
handle
the
the
users
and
the
safety
issues
crossing
the
street,
but
the
meyer
property
doesn't
really
contribute
nor
nor
take
away
from
that.
G
So,
basically,
on
parking,
we're
not
seeing
any
use
to
the
south
side
of
the
road
uphill
we're
seeing
people
parking
there
and
actually
going
down
to
crossing
the
highway,
which
is
a
safety
issue
and
going
down
to
boulder
creek.
O
Yes,
yeah
crossing
the
highway
going
to
boulder
creek
again,
the
you
know
in
speaking
with
burton
and
ranger
staff
that
really
there
there
is
camping.
You
know
transient
camping
on
that
hillside
that
that
they
do
have
to
enforce
again.
This
wouldn't
really
add
or
or
detract
from
that
and
would
actually
make
it
a
little
probably
easier
to
not
have
to
figure
out
who
owned
this
small
parcel
in
the
midst
of
enforcement
and
allow
one
agency
or
single
agency
enforcement.
A
O
Yeah,
I
think
any
any
any
reference
to
invasive
species
was
that
that
really,
the
the
main
management
in
the
in
the
that
we
foresaw
as
far
as
as
far
as
funding
or
costs
related
to
our
program,
would
be
in
in
normal
weed
control
and-
and
that,
of
course,
is
is
infiltrating
both
from
our
property
and
maybe
pre-existing
from
some
of
the
grading
and
things
like
that.
But
they
they
do
appear
to
be.
O
A
K
Guess
I'm
it
once
again
like
I
said,
and
it's
kind
of
funny
in
the
discussion
about
out-of-towners
and
people
that
don't
understand
the
implications
of
having
dogs
around
wildlife,
that
to
be
nice
with
them
is
the
way
to
get
them
to
behave
best.
And
it's
the
same
thing.
The
way
and
it's
not
nothing
to
allison
but
being
threatened
before
you're
going
to
speak,
is
not
something
that
encourages
speaking.
K
It
wasn't
clear
to
me
entirely
because
I'm
working
on
my
property
tax
assessment,
which
is
a
huge
process
every
two
years,
because
I
go
unrepresented
myself
to
the
state
board
of
assessment
appeals
and
it's
a
lot
of
work
and
I'm
tasking
between
the
open
space
board
of
trustees
meeting
and
that-
and
I
thought
I
understood-
I
heard
that
we
had
already
purchased
these
two
properties
that
had
flood
damages.
K
But
in
any
case
I
would
say
that
if
there
are
more
implications
of
us
purchasing
open
space
that
we
have
no
means
to
maintain,
we
shouldn't
be
doing
that
and
we
shouldn't
be
taking
in
the
liability,
and
we
definitely
shouldn't
be
doing
that
if
we're
growing.
If
we
continue
growing
the
way
we
are
in
boulder
see,
you
will
have
a
huge
impact
on
that
lots
of
more
out-of-towners
and
lots
more
open
space
needed
to
accommodate
them,
and
I
don't
want
our
purchasing
of
open
space
and
my
tax
dollars
spent
on
open
space.
K
To
kind
of
you
know
build
the
road
for
them
to
come.
If
you
catch
my
drift,
so
it's
kind
of
with
a
caveat
that
I
say:
go
ahead
and
purchase
this
stuff,
and
that
is,
if
you're
going
to
do
something
to
stop
this
outrageous.
K
Growth
and
expansion
in
boulder
and,
as
you
know,
maintenance
dollars
and
and
staffers
and
labor,
is
high
and
is
in
higher
demand
than
it's
ever
been
after
the
marshall
fire
and
after
the
pandemic,
and
we
can't
just
go
on
as
if
we're
the
you
know,
global
hegemon
in
the
united
states
that
we
can
just
grow
every
little
town.
And
this
is
a
little
town.
K
A
Okay,
thank
you
allison,
so
we'll
go
back
to
the
board
bethany.
My
understanding
is
that
the
the
fema
and
hud
funds
have
paid
for
these
properties,
and
so
the
acquisition
is
at
no
cost
to
the
city,
except,
as
you
said,
for
transfer
costs
right.
That
is
correct,
yes,
and
I'm
wondering
if
we
shouldn't
be
including
that
verbiage
in
the
motion
so.
O
C
G
O
P
Are
you
aware
no,
I
can
research
it
as
well,
and
I
can
go
look
into
our
closing
memo
on
that
particular
property.
It's
typically
named
after
the
landowner
from
which
we
acquired
the
property.
M
O
Know
the
answer
yeah,
so
the
the
grant
programs,
the
funding
programs
and
tina
by
all
means
jump
in
on
this
one
were
were
county-sponsored
grant
programs,
so
the
the
funding
was
in
cooperation
with
the
the
county,
jurisdiction
versus
local
local
municipalities.
As
far
as
I'm
aware,
but
is
that
your
understanding
it.
P
Was
it
was
county-wide
it
was,
it
made
more
sense
to
coordinate
it
on
a
county
level
and
just
run
it
all
through
the
county,
because
properties
were
obviously
scattered.
You
know
across
the
county
and
adjacent
to
a
handful
of
municipalities.
O
Yes-
and
you
may
be
seeing
one
more-
that
has
a
that-
that
is
actually
adjacent
to
another
small
county,
older
county
open
space
that
they
we're
not
quite
sure
why
they
own
it
versus
why
we
we
should
own
and
manage
it,
so
you
may
be
seeing
one
that
is
kind
of
you
know
using
dave's
word
tangentially
linked
through
through
another
county
parcel,
but
that
we
we
need
to
do
some
more
due
diligence
and
some
more
discussion
on
before.
If
and
when
we
bring
it
forward.
A
Okay,
any
other
questions
or
discussion.
C
Yes,
I
will
motion
that
the
open
space
board
of
trustees
recommend
that
boulder
city
council
approve
the
acquisition
of
approximately
1.15
acres
of
land
located
at
809
lee
hill
road
and
approximately
0.3
acres
of
land
located
at
40511.
Boulder
canyon
drive
from
boulder
county
for
open
space
purposes.
M
Just
if
we're
recording,
if,
if
I
did
hear
it
right,
it
was
0.38
acres
of
land.
B
Q
C
C
N
We
have
three
main
items
and
then
a
couple
of
verbal
announcements
under
matters
we're
gonna
first
begin
one
one
that
was
referenced
a
little
bit
earlier
on
and
open
comment
and
just
want
to
thank
rui
and
kate
for
providing
some
comment
about
what
will
keeley
will
soon
be
presenting
on,
but
just
a
higher
level,
no
matter
the
subject.
N
I
think
this
is
just
another
example
of
of
really
the
great
and
successful
relationships
and
collaborations
that
we've
had
with
the
climbing
community
fcc
bcc
over
the
years
on
a
number
of
different
subjects
in
order
to
ensure
for
ecological
integrity
and
great
habitat,
as
well
as
obviously
maintaining
some
wonderful
recreation
access
that
is
very
important
to
members
of
our
community.
N
So
tonight's
first
opening
subject
from
matters
will
be
presented
from
will
keeley
he's
our
senior
wildlife
ecologist
he's
been
with
us
since
2007,
and
he
basically
coordinates
and
manages
our
raptor
program
and
he's
going
to
be
explaining
a
bit
more
about
what
was
referenced
in
open
comment
about
nesting
golden
eagles
and
updating
the
seasonal
closure
period.
So
with
that
I'll
turn
things
over
to
will.
R
H
R
B
R
You
go
okay,
all
right,
zoom!
Well,
thanks
dan
thanks
for
the
introduction.
We've
been
talking
about
this
update,
both
internally
and
with
the
climbing
community
for
many
years
now,
so
I'm
really
excited
to
try
to
finally
bring
this
information.
This
update
item
for
you,
this
photo
is
a
picture
of
the
pair
of
golden
eagles
on
the
flagstaff
perch,
their
their
favorite
perch
is
just
above
the
boulder
star,
believe
it
or
not,
with
all
the
activity
that
the
star
used
to
have
there
and
just
east
of
the
the
flagstaff
nest.
R
So
I
just
wanted
to
put
a
little
context
to
the
nice
eagle
picture.
I
think
to
actually
taken
about
ranger
rick
hatfield
a
while
ago,
but
you
can
you
can
see
the.
Let
me
turn
my
laser
on.
R
You
can
see
the
golden
nape
on
the
net
on
the
back
of
the
neck.
That
is
the
diagnostic
for
the
golden
eagle
just
in
case.
Not
a
lot
of
folks
have
seen
them
before,
but
so
osmp
manages
some
of
the
highest
quality,
raptor
nesting
habitat
in
colorado
and
probably
the
western
u.s,
but
the
flat
irons
also
offer
world-class
recreational
climbing
opportunities.
So
the
raptor
program
really
thrives
on
the
balance
between
habitat
conservation
and
access
to
high
quality,
climbing
experiences.
R
R
They're
also
considered
a
tier
one,
species
of
greatest
conservation
need
in
colorado's
parks
and
wildlife,
state
wildlife,
action
plan
and
a
species
of
special
concern.
Sosc
in
the
boulder
county
comp
plan
they're
long-lived
and
have
employ
a
high
nest
site
fidelity,
which
means
they
return
to
the
same
territories
and
reuse
the
same
nests
each
year
and
so
which
that
translates
to
us
as
land
managers
as
as
managing
these
areas
annually.
R
R
R
So
there
are
two
aspects
to
the
closures:
one
is
temporal
time
and
the
other
spatial
in
1986
and
in
the
early
90s,
when
osmp
enacted
the
first
seasonal
closure
to
protect
peregrine
falcons.
R
So
developing
the
spatial
aspect
to
adequately
protect
cliff
nesting
raptors
is
based
on
multiple
factors
as
well
as
coordination
with
the
climate
community.
So
it's
it's
kind
of
a
case-by-case
situation
which
you'll
see
here,
so
the
figure
on
the
right
depicts
all
cliff
nessing
raptors.
So
eagles
and
falcons
on
osmp,
with
a
half
mile
buffer,
seen
in
blue
surrounding
their
nests,
whereas
the
closures
that
we
enact
to
protect
those
same
nests
are
depicted
in
yellow
hatch
and
just
for
reference
here.
R
Here's
and
car
over
here-
oh
sorry,
up
here
and
el
dorado,
springs,
drive
and
south
boulder
creek
here.
So,
as
you
can
see,
they're
all
different
and
again,
these
are
all
these
are
falcons
and
eagles.
So
it's
kind
of
a
wide
swath.
You
know
the
the
flatirons
are
kind
of
considered
a
a
raptor
condominium
with
pears,
nesting
really
close
to
each
other.
R
But
again,
as
you
can
see,
the
simple,
yellow,
hatch,
they're
they're,
all
different
in
in
their
case
by
case
and
I'll
get
into
that
into
a
little
bit
here,
because
we
we
use
the
half-mile
buffer
on
occupied
nest
as
a
starting
point
and
we
consider
the
buffers,
but
we
also
use
other
factors
such
as
like
topography.
R
The
view
shed
in
the
cliff
height
input
from
the
climbing
community
and
empirical
data
on
spatial
needs
all
kind
of
feed
into
the
specific
closure
polygon
that
that
we
manage
it.
Is
it's
important
to
note
here
that
none
of
our
seasonal
closures,
impact
designated
trails
and
again
these
factors
largely
align
with
methods
outlined
in
a
handbook
recently
published
by
the
access
fund.
The
national
climbing
advocacy
organization
called
climbing
in
raptors
a
handbook
for
adaptive,
raptor
management.
R
So
now
I'd
like
to
shift
focus
just
on
the
golden
eagle
closures
that
this
update
will
affect
so
from
source
from
stop
from
north
to
south.
You
have
left-hand
palisades.
R
Up
here,
flagstaff
mountain
here
and
skunk
canyon.
R
So
it's
important
to
note
here
in
in
this
situation,
that
of
the
three
golden
eagle
closures
that
are
on
osmp
managed,
proper
property.
Only
skunk
canyon
offers
climbing
opportunities.
So
really,
what
we're
kind
of
focusing
in
on
here
is
the
skunk
canyon
closure,
because
largely
there's
not
a
ton
of
climbing
on
left-hand
palisades.
R
Nor
is
there
a
lot
of
recreational
opportunities
in
either
either
of
these
areas,
because
again,
the
designated
trails
are
open
that
are
nearby,
so
I
just
want
to
take
a
minute
to
dive
into
the
skunk
canyon
situation
and
here's
a
zoom
into
skunk.
Here's.
Here's
n
car
over
here
you'll
see
the
cpw
half
mile
buffer
around
the
nest
in
green
and
the
osmp
closure
in
orange
shade,
and
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
show
this
to
you
as
an
example
of
a
of
a
few
things.
R
I
overlay
the
climbing
formations
depicted
by
popularity,
blue
equals,
low
use,
yellow
equals,
high
and
red
is
intermediate,
and
these
categories
resulted
from
close
coordination
fro
with
the
fcc
during
the
west
tsa
process,
but
it
it
presents
a
good
example
of
integrating
the
view
shed
into
the
closure
polygon.
R
So,
for
instance,
both
of
these
nests
in
skunk
canyon,
face
west
and
so
using
kind
of
the
view
shed
analysis
you're,
looking
at
kind
of
what
the
eagle
sees
here,
the
sacred
cliffs
up
here,
which
the
eagles
really
like
to
perch
on
to
look
down
on
their
nest
and
you'll
kind
of
see
this,
as
as
using
the
viewshed
you'll,
also
kind
of
notice
that
to
the
east
of
the
nests
out
of
the
view
of
the
nest.
R
We
don't
we
don't
really
institute
the
closure
to
the
east,
and
so
that
allows
popular
climbing
areas
like
hillbilly
rock
right
here.
Ridge,
one
right
here
front,
porch
a
lot
of
dinosaur
mountain
down
here
to
not
be
within
the
within
the
closure.
Polygon.
Here's
here's
royal
arch
right
here,
so
you
can
kind
of
see
how
we
case
by
case
and
form
fit
these
closure
areas
and-
and
you
know,
obviously
this
is
an
attempt
to
balance
access
with
habitat
conservation.
I
think
this
is
this
program.
R
So
here's
a
table
that
was
included
in
the
memo,
but
I
did
want
to
take
a
minute
to
go
over
it.
These
are
the
three
golden
eagles
nest
sites
and
the
number
of
the
years
that
were
occupied
from
2010
to
through
2021.
So
all
three
sites
were
occupied
by
the
golden
eagle
pair
all
12
years,
but
you'll
see
here
that
the
skunk
canyon
only
had
six
nesting
attempts
by
the
pair,
as
opposed
to
11
from
flagstaff
and
and
left
hand
palisades.
R
Now,
when,
when
the
eagles
did
nest,
they
had
high
nesting
success
and
really
good
fledgling
per
nesting
attempt.
But
it's
kind
of
this
number
that's
a
little
head-scratching
a
little
discouraging,
and
so
you
know
this.
This
number
may
or
may
not
be
the
result
of
disturbance
caused
by
human
access
early
in
the
nesting
season.
You
know
several
other
factors
besides
disturbance
can
impact
golden
eagle,
nesting,
behavior
such
as
inclement
weather,
prey,
abundance
and
other
factors
outside
of
our
management
purview.
R
But
you
know,
human
access
is,
is
one
thing
that
we
that
we
can
manage.
R
So
the
reasons
for
updating
the
seasonal
closure
start
time
are
three-fold.
In
recent
years,
territorial
occupancy
by
golden
eagles
has
been
observed
at
skunk
canyon
and
flagstaff
in
december
and
january
by
osmp,
wildlife,
staff
and
volunteers,
supporting
guidance
from
cpw
and
fish
and
wildlife
service
that
earlier
closures
are
necessary
to
effectively
protect
nesting
eagles,
also
aligning
osmb
start
dates
with
state
and
federal
guidelines
for
golden
eagle.
Habitat
protection
will
facilitate
consultations
with
state
and
federal
agencies.
R
For
instance,
we
consult
with
colorado
parks
and
wildlife
and
u.s
fish
and
wildlife
service
when
new
human
activities
occur
within
a
half
mile
of
an
occupied
golden
eagle
nest
from
12
15
through
july
to
ensure
that
golden
eagle
habitat
protection
measures
are
adequate.
So
as
an
example
when
excel
replaced,
the
bear
canyon
transmission
line,
our
to
our
february
first
start
date
was,
was
not
valid.
R
For
that
consultation,
we
had
to
consult
with
the
1215
start
date
with
the
feds,
so
we
are
also
working
closely
with
our
partners
at
boulder
county
parks
and
open
space
as
they
use
this
date,
and
their
data
supports
this
as
well
as
el
dorado
canyon,
state
park
and
fort
collins.
Natural
area
to
protect
golden
eagle
habitat
along
the
front
range.
R
And
finally,
the
climate
is
changing
with
warmer
and
drier
winters
than
when
closures
were
first
implemented
in
1986.
These
conditions
are
leading,
may
lead
to
increased
activity
and
accessibility.
The
more
climbing
rounds
between
12,
15
and
february
1st,
and
thus
increasing
disturbance,
potentially
early
in
the
nesting
season
during
territory,
occupancy
and
other
sensitive
stages
in
the
nesting
cycle,
like
nest,
site
selection.
R
So
the
update
on
golden
eagle,
habitat
management
so
beginning
annually
in
2022
osmp,
will
implement
seasonal
closures
at
the
three
golden
eagle
nest
sites
beginning
on
december
15th.
R
So
you
know
we
realize
that
that
this
may
negatively
impact
access
to
skunk
canyon
for
recreationists,
but
but
mainly
climbers,
but
we
highly
value
the
strong
collaboration
between
osmp
and
the
climbing
community.
We
met
with
leaders
of
the
climbing
community,
including
the
flatiron's
climbing
council
and
the
boulder
climbing
community,
to
share
background
in
our
reasoning
and
answer
questions
and
we're
happy
to
report
that
we
gain
their
support
for
this
management
action,
which
you
heard
earlier
in
public
input.
R
R
So
we
recently
renewed
the
mou
with
flatirons
climbing
council,
which
manages
the
process
of
approving
new
bolted
route
development
on
osmp,
and
this
has
really
helped
both
us
and
sec
better
understand
the
desire
for
additional
climbing
opportunities
here.
You'll
see
the
additions
of
new
routes,
some
of
which
are
on
new
formations
in
the
most
most
recent
mou,
so
the
formation
known
as
stonehenge
as
two
new
approved
routes,
etc.
R
So
it's
about
six
or
seven
kind
of
new-ish
areas.
A
group
of
osmp
staff
also
receive
up
to
nine
applications
annually
throughout
the
year,
and
these
have
already
been
approved
by
the
fcc
board
and
we
subsequently
decide
whether
to
approve
the
route,
deny
it
or
approve
it.
With
conditions
in
in
in
keeping
with
the
theme
of
close
collaboration,
because,
usually
that's
been
well
vetted
through
fcc
board,
we
have
rarely
denied
an
application.
I
think
we've
only
denied
two
in
the
past
10
years
and
have
approved
75.
R
osmp
trail
staff,
also
collaborate
with
fcc
on
improving
climbing
access
trails
and
reducing
trail
braiding.
So
thanks
to
bo
clark
for
working
with
fcc
on
these
important
projects,
these
are
two
of
his
photos.
Taken
recently
on
scc,
osmp
collaboration
to
improve
access
to
a
popular
climbing
destination,
hillbilly
rock.
R
R
We
work
internally
to
develop
the
the
closure
polygon
agree
on
it
internally
and
then
we've
well
rick
has,
and
now
lisa
g
or
dan
hammond
will
take
his
place
to
visit
with
the
climbing
community
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
cutting
off
any
paths
to
non-target
rock
formations
or
otherwise.
R
You
know
unknowingly,
impacting
access
to
areas
that
that
are
okay
to
be
open,
and
then
you
know
finally,
we're
committed
to
regularly
monitoring
the
territories
and
lifting
closures
on
unoccupied
territories
or
sites
that
have
experienced
a
nesting
failure
as
early
as
possible
in
the
season,
and
that's
usually
around
may
15,
which
provides
most
of
the
summer
for
all
the
summer.
For
for
climbing
access.
R
Using
this
monitoring
data
and
again
you
know
you
can't
thank
the
volunteers
and
and
staff
enough.
I
mean
these
volunteers
log,
usually
more
than
2500
hours
a
year
watching
watching
these
territories,
which
you
know
again
provides
us.
This
timely
data,
this
up-to-date,
accurate
information
to
be
really
adaptively
managing
these
closures
effectively.
R
So
this
is
just
a
rundown
of
2021.
We
lifted
13
closures
early
and
then
just
this
year,
we've
we've
already
lifted
several
closures
early,
including
areas
with
popular
climbing
opportunities
like
skunk
canyon,
fern,
canyon
and
the
matron
and
shadow
canyon,
which
will
be
lifted
later
this
week,
and
it
hasn't
been
a
very
good
falcon
year.
R
I
don't,
I
think
I
don't
think
we've
had
one
successful
nesting
attempt
out
of
six
or
seven
nesting
attempts,
so
I
think,
and
I'm
confident
that
more
of
these
closures
will
be
lifted
before
the
july
31st
usual
lifting
days.
R
So
with
that
I'll
take
any
questions
I
wanted
to
just
take
a
minute
if
I
had
time
to
play
this
video.
This
is
from
a
volunteer
dan
baldwin
who
monitors
golden
eagles
for
us
and
is
a
really
talented,
digi
scoper,
and
so
this
is
the
adult.
R
This
is
the
adult
golden
eagle,
which
is
just
caught
a
prairie
dog
and
is
going
to
subsequently
feed
it
to
its
young
nestling,
which
is
kind
of
just
a
little
white
light
bulb,
so
just
maybe
seven
or
seven
or
ten
days,
seven
or
ten
days
old.
This
goes
for
about
a
minute,
a
half.
So
if
we're
short
on
time,
I
can
pause
it
or
you
all
can
ask
questions
as
we
watch
it
or
we
can
watch
it
whatever.
Whatever
we
feel
like
doing
in
terms
of
timing.
R
Yeah
he's
he's
been
willing
to
share
all
of
his
video,
and
it's
just
on
vimeo,
so
he'd
be
more
than
willing
for
me
to
share
that
with
the
board
or
you
know
whomever
he's
he's
a
very
nice
gentleman
he's
very
good
at
taking
these
videos
and
it's
really
some
some
great
footage.
R
This
is
earlier
this
year
at
left-hand,
palisades.
R
Yeah
spot,
you
know
one
of
those
telescope
spotting
scopes
that
we
provide
the
volunteers,
there's
a
there's,
a
piece
of
equipment
that
you
can
attach
to
the
eyepiece
and
then
attach
either
a
camera
or
now
an
iphone
to
kind
of
hold,
hold
it
still
enough,
where
you're
not
kind
of
shaking.
So
it's
just
kind
of
it's
the
wind
right
now,
that's
kind
of
shaking
the
scope,
but
otherwise.
Otherwise,
it's
quite
still.
R
Yeah,
so
the
monitoring
site
for
the
monitoring
site
for
left-hand
palisades
is
across
left-hand
creek
in
on
a
in
a
driveway
of
one
of
the
residents
who
allows
us
to
monitor
from
their
driveway
and
eagle
view
estates
aptly
named.
So
it
probably
is
400
meters
a
quarter
of
a
mile.
R
Yep
yeah
they
have
seven
or
eight
alternate
huge
nest
sites.
I
mean
that
was
one
that
was
the
first,
that
and
skunk
canyon
were
the
first
golden
eagle
nest
described
by
el
gail,
no
forget
his
name
in
the
1860s,
so
obviously
these
birds
have
been
nesting
here
for
pre-caucasian.
Obviously,.
R
Right,
yeah,
yeah,
yeah
yeah
golden
eagles.
I
think
one
of
the
oldest
ones
that
was
abandoned
and
then
caught
banded
and
then
recovered
at
death
was
43
44
years
old.
H
R
G
So
will
I
have
a
couple
of
questions
you
know
originally
falcons.
You
know
peregrines
and
prairies
were
included
in
the
seasonal
closure.
Can
you
explain
why
or
you
know,
they're
they're
not
included
in
this
updated
closure
extension
or
what
the
situation
is
with
them.
R
Yeah
dave
we
I'm
just
using
our
monitoring
data.
We
feel
like
they're,
adequately
protected
with
the
february
1st
through
july,
31st
time
frame,
and
so
it's
it
was
just
on
on
this
golden
eagle
start
date
that
were
we
have
been
seeing
golden
eagles,
especially
at
skunk
and
flagstaff
start
to
set
up
shop
earlier
than
than
the
february
1st
provides
them
protection
for
so
nothing's
changing
in
terms
of
the
protection
for
the
prairie
falcons
and
the
peregrines.
It
was
just
this
golden
eagle,
seasonal
closure
that
needed
an
update.
G
And
I
had
a
question
going
back
to
your
observation
on
the
skunk
canyon.
You
know
nesting
attempts,
so
we've
been
monitoring
these
sites
for
30
or
so
plus
years.
Are
there
any
differences
that
we've
noted?
You
kind
of
you
know
speculated
that
perhaps
a
human
disturbance,
but
you
know,
theoretically,
we
should
know
kind
of
what
the
conditions
are
in
in
you
know.
In
those
sites
are,
are
there
any
differences
that
we've
noticed
that
would
affect
the
nesting
success.
G
R
R
So
this
is
what
I
presented
to
you
a
while
back
in
terms
of
our
long-term
data
set
and
I'm
happy
to
come
back
to
the
board.
Since
you
know
the
since
there's
new
members
each
year,
but
yes,
you're
right,
I
mean
we've
been
collecting
data
since
at
least
1990
1986..
I
I
kind
of
broke
it
up
here
and
from
90
to
2001
to
15.,
and
I
think
what
you'll
see
here
dave
is
is
pretty
encouraging.
R
In
terms
of
golden
eagles
and
and
falcons
I
mean
I
don't-
I
don't
know
how
much
time
you
want
me
to
spend
on
this
slide.
I
could
talk
for
for
quite
some
time
on
this
because
it's
it's
really
cool
to
have
such
a
long-term
data
set,
and
I
think
we
have
volunt
the
volunteers
to
to
thank
for
that.
But
a
paper
just
came
out
in
well.
R
It
doesn't
matter
where
it
came
out
from,
but
it
was
from
a
prominent
u.s
fish
and
wildlife
service
biologist
and
he
was
he
was
trying
to
estimate
how
much
take
for
golden
eagles
would
be
allowable
to
maintain
a
stable
population
in
the
western
us.
So
they
they
estimated
that
each
nesting
pair
must
produce,
on
average
about
.60
fledglings
per
nesting
attempt,
and
so,
if
you're
looking
at
golden
eagles,
we're
well
above
that
for
each
of
these
time
periods.
R
So
I
think,
we're
I
think,
we're
we're
doing
well
we're
doing
good
stuff.
We
might
even
be
a
source
population
for
golden
eagles
in
in
colorado,
but
I
think
that's
just
an
attest
to
how
much
attention
and
collaboration
we
have
with
the
climbing
community
and
other
recreational
users
to
protect
raptor
nesting
habitat.
R
Even
when
you
know
I
forgot,
I
didn't
have
my
laser
pointer,
even
when
nobody
else
was,
was
instituting
seasonal
closures
or
or
worried
about
human
disturbance
to
nesting
raptors.
R
G
No
that
that's
encouraging,
and
I
guess
I
you
know-
I'm
just
struck,
as
as
you
indicated
by
the
fact
that
the
success
at
skunk
canyon
seems
to
be
relatively
robust,
but
the
the
attempts
seem
to
you
know
not
correspond
to
the
other
sites,
and
I'm
just
you
know
it's
it's
a
little
perplexing
as
to
why
that
is.
I
was
just
wondering
whether
there
were
any
other
conditions
that
were
noticed
or
noted
that
might
be
contributing
to
that.
R
Yeah
sometimes
we
can.
We
can
tell
if
there's
been
pair
turnover-
and
you
know
a
new
eagle
taking
over
an
old
eagles
site,
either
whether
it's
just
one
one
member
of
the
pair
or
or
a
full
turnover.
We've
been
able
to
note
that
just
recently,
so
that
that
might
play
a
part.
You
know
they're
kind
of
playing
house
the
first
year
and
then
the
second
year
they're
they're,
getting
down
to
to
serious
consideration
of
nesting
instead
of
just
kind
of
moving
sticks
around
and
flying
together.
R
G
Yeah
right
thanks
for
that,
I
think
yeah,
that's
a
good
observation.
The
only
other
thing
I
wanted
to
just
comment
on
is
to
thank
michelle
for
participating
in
the
conversation
and
and
helping
get
us
to
this
point.
As
tom
isakson's
letter
to
us
yesterday,
indicated
and
and
will
has
you
know,
reiterated
this-
there's
a
long
history
to
this
and
the
climbing
community
has
been
very
cooperative
in
protecting
in
participating
in
the
protection
of
these
nesting
sites
for
raptors.
So
thanks
for
that,
and
michelle
thanks
for
your
jumping
in
and
helping
out.
E
I
was
glad
to
be
in
invited,
I
think,
the
the
incredible
amount
of
collaboration
that
happens
between
osmp
and
the
two
climbing
organizations
is
incredible.
It's
yielded
a
ton
of
trust
amongst
climbers,
not
only
knowing
that.
Yes,
the
the
closures
are
going
to
happen
earlier,
but
that
you
will
lift
them
as
soon
as
you
can,
and
so
there's
just
a
lot
of
trust
that
you
will
actually
do
that
when
possible.
E
A
question
for
you
will
on
slide.
Eight,
I'm
just
you
know
there
yeah,
you
just
look
at
the
yeah
the
attempts
and
that
so
every
year
occupied
these
other
areas
have
had
it
you're
not
entirely
sure
why.
E
R
Well,
there's
still
the
there's
still
the
thought
that
we
do
consult
with
a
12
15
date,
so
you
know
it's
kind
of
been
we've
just
been
a
long
time
coming
to
try
to
get
to
this
point,
and
I
think
new
staff
have
been
able
to
work
on
this
rather
than
it
just
kind
of
being
being
me
and
rick.
You
know
to
be
honest
michelle.
If,
if
we
kept
seeing
this
trend,
I
I
don't,
I
don't
know
what
what
we
would
do.
I
mean
I
think
we
would
continue
to
monitor.
R
Obviously,
but
you
know
maybe
there's
maybe
there's
something
where
the
spatial
situation
needs
to
be
considered
and
the
temporal
one
isn't
isn't
as
as
important.
R
You
know
if
if
these
birds
start
moving
around-
and
you
know
the
the
nearby
climbing
formations
need
to
be
looked
at,
I
you
know,
obviously
that
would
be
a
conversation,
a
larger
conversation
for
for
us
in
the
climbing
community.
R
I
just
think
that
what
we're
looking
at
here-
maybe
maybe
because
people
are
accessing
the
closure
during
that-
that
sensitive
time
frame
and
in
when
I
saw
these
data
it.
It
really
helped
me
better
understand
that
I
need
we
need
to
make
this
a
priority
to
to
update
the
the
start
date.
But
again
you
know
that
that's
just
been
the
past.
R
You
know
12
years
and-
and
I
think
if
we
you
know
any,
if
in
any
long-term
data
set,
there's
always
a
lot
of
variability
within
even
a
10-year
time
frame,
especially
for
such
a
long-lived
species
like
golden
eagles,
that
you
know,
sometimes
they
just
forego
nesting
attempts
either
because
they
don't
get
enough
prey
early
on
in
the
nesting
cycle,
or
you
know
they
they
just
hold
on
to
their
territory
and
and
that's
common
for
some
pairs
of
golden
eagles
to
breed
every
other
year.
N
And
will,
if
I,
if
I
could
jump
in,
will
yeah
so
we're
focusing
in
on
skunk
canyon
and
obviously
we're
applying
this,
where
at
all
the
sites
where
we
have
golden
eagle
presence
and-
and
I
believe
that
it's
so
we're
yes,
we're
hoping
that
that
six
goes
up
based
based
on
that.
That
would
be
great,
but
the
other
reasons
are
is
just
from
a
climate
change
perspective.
N
We
are
seeing
nesting
behavior
well
ahead
of
that
2-1
in
all
habitat
areas
of
golden
eagles
and
and
so,
while
we're
focusing
in
on
skunk
canyon
here
from
that
data
point,
because
it
is
an
interesting
number
there.
It's
also
an
overall
preventative
measure
because
of
the
behaviors
we're
seeing
earlier
on.
Is
that
correct,
yeah.
A
Bill,
could
you
go
back
to
the
image
of
the
territory
in
skunk
canyon,
with
the
dots
on
it
yep,
that's
the
one
talk
a
little
bit
about
which
climbing
places
are
closed.
When
there's
a
closure.
R
Okay,
yeah
sure,
so
this
is
the
skunk
canyon
closure.
This
begins
what
we
call
ridge
two
r2,
and
this
is
what
we
call
the
achievement
pronouncement
here
and
so
that
the
closure
begins
with
those
two
formations
and
heads
west.
This
is
the
sacred
cliffs
here
with
multiple
climbing
opportunities
here
that
the
birds
perch
on,
because
they're
higher
than
the
net
the
nest
and
that's
their
favorite
perch
spot.
R
So
those
are
the
kind
of
the
the
more
popular
formations
that
are
closed
due
to
the
closure.
Is
that
what
you're
asking
karen.
R
R
Yeah,
you
know
what
you
know.
What
happened
was
when
the
clock,
when
the
climbing
community
and
staff
did
this
for
the
west
tsa
they
they
were.
They
were,
I
guess,
overly,
not
overly,
but
these
are
also
bouldering
boulders
they're,
not
just
climbing
formations.
So
this
is
a
little
little
misleading
on
on
on
actual
rock
formations
that
that
are,
you
know,
climbable.
So
a
lot
of
these
are
just
boulders
that
were
named
because
we
were
being
exhausted
at
that
time.
For
the
west
csa.
R
Yeah,
let
me
make
sure
I'm
correct
yes,
yellow
is
the
high
use.
Blue
is
the
low
and
red
is
moderate
as
categorized
by
the
fcc
in
2010
during
the
west
tsa.
M
And
since
the
yellow
is
is
kind
of
in
one
area
will
will
you
do
anything
in
particular
for
those
high
use
or
or
what
you're
proposing
is
is
fine
for
for
any
use.
M
I
guess
because
all
of
the
yellow,
like
the
high
use,
is
in
the
same
spot
on
the
map.
I
I
didn't
know
if
I
understand
that
the
circle
of
the
entire
area
is
going
to
be
closed
off
to
the
site,
but
if,
because
of
the
high
use,
there
was
something
different
in
that
particular
spot.
That
was
going
to
be
done
or
no,
you
know
it
would
just
be
the
closure.
R
Oh
okay,
so
yeah
sorry,
so
this
is
the
half
mile
buffer
that
cpw
recommends.
We
are
not
moving
forward
with
using
this
as
the
closure
polygon
we're
keeping
this
current
closure
polygon
the
same,
not
changing
it.
So
all
of
these
all
of
these
climbs
on
dinosaur,
mountain
outside
of
skunk
canyon,
will
remain
open.
M
I
think
you
were,
and
I
just
needed
to
double
check
for
myself.
No.
R
Thank
you
for
clarifying
that.
That's
a
huge
deal.
I
mean.
If
you
look
at
the
half-mile
buffer,
you
have
royal
arch,
you
have
half
of
the
mesa
trail,
you
know
none!
None
of
this
needs
to
be
managed
just
because
the
the
eagles
are
nesting
on
on
these
cliffs
and
facing
west
at
a
much
higher
height
than
than
any
of
these
areas.
R
All
of
these
eagles
are
eaten
prairie
dogs,
so
they
are
beelining
it
to
kind
of
marshall,
road
and
cherryvale
that
area
demianovich.
R
If
you
know
that
property,
but
yeah
all
of
the
prairie
dog
counties
along
marshall,
road
you'll
see
what
I
think
are
either
are
the
skunk
canyon,
eagles
kind
of
perched.
On
that
radio
tower
hunting
prairie
dog,
we
don't
have
a
ton
of
rabbits
here
any
anymore,
and
you
know
obviously
with
the
decline
of
the
jackrabbit
and
maybe
even
extirpation
they
don't
they
don't
they
don't
really
hunt
much,
but
but
prairie
dogs.
A
R
Do
yeah
they
they
usually
when
they
when
they
capture
it,
they
eviscerate
it.
They
they
take
the
guts
out,
so
they
don't
have
to
carry
all
that
weight.
All
that
all
that
bad
weight
so
they're
there.
It's
pretty
interesting
to
watch
them
forage.
A
And
I
gather
that
that
you
don't
anticipate
any
other
shifts
and
dates,
except
for
this
shift
that
you're
proposing
for
golden
eagles,
correct.
R
E
I
do
have
another
question.
It
seems
like
that
some
of
the
success
around
the
closures
have
a
lot
to
do
with
communication,
and
I
I
wonder
I
know
that
the
climbing
organizations
do
a
fair
amount
of
education
about
the
closure
dates
and-
and
maybe
that's
some
of
the
differences
with
with
with
dogs,
but
this
go
around
and
communicating
the
the
december
date.
What
is
the
city
planning
on
doing
versus
relying
on
the
fcc
and
bcc?
R
You
know
I
I
will
commit,
certainly
to
present
this
type
of
information
to
any
sort
of
joint
session
of
bcc
or
fcc.
In
terms
of
you
know,
other
outreach-
I
I
don't
have
a
plan
for
that.
It's
kind
of
out
of
my
yeah
out
of
my
work
group
a
bit,
but
maybe
dan
could
comment
on
that.
Yeah.
N
I'll
just
and
I
already
made
a
note
of
I
at
every
meeting-
I
make
a
little
note
of
to
do's
and
so
meeting
with
allison
and
phil
to
develop
a
little
bit
of
an
outreach
strategy,
for
this
is
something
that
I
definitely
noted.
It
probably
would
have
happened
anyway,
but
it's
it's
worth
making
note
of
here
and
so
yeah
between
city
communications
and
phil
yates,
and
our
engagement
coordinator,
allison
eckman,
will
will
work
with
you
well
and
and
and
and
do
what's
needed.
E
I'm
just
thinking,
maybe
going
also
directly
to
some
of
the
climbing
gyms,
where
there's
high
concentrations
of
climbers.
Of
course,
it
might
be
a
good
strategy.
Okay,.
M
Thinking
that
neptune
patagonia
frequent
spots
everyone's
visiting.
G
Karen
before
we
leave
this
can
could
I
just
real
quickly
say
that
I
think
we
ought
to
take
advantage
of
this
opportunity
to
give
a
shout
out
to
rick
hatfield,
who
recently
retired
he
single-handedly
pretty
much
worked
the
cooperative
relationship
in
the
early
years
between
the
climbing
community
and
the
open
space
department
and
was
really
instrumental.
I
think
in
laying
the
the
foundation
and
groundwork
for
this
cooperative
arrangement,
and
I
think
we
should
express
our
appreciation
to
him
because
until
will
came
along,
it
was
pretty
much
rick.
G
That
was
handling
a
lot
of
the
day-to-day
relationships
with
the
climbing
community
and
he
really
did
lay
a
very
excellent
foundation
for
what
what's
we're
doing
now
and
in
the
future.
So
thanks.
G
R
Yeah
I
tried
to
we
tried
to
fit
this
in
last
month
so
that
he
could
have
participated,
but
the
timing
just
didn't
work
out.
So
I
I
was.
I
was
sad
about
that,
but
you're
right
dave.
We
should
we
should
pay
homage
to
rick,
because
he
really
did
a
lot
of
the
leg
work
to
to
build
this
strong
relationship
and
collaboration.
B
N
Great
thanks
thanks
well
for
getting
us
started
under
matters
with
such
an
interesting
subject.
I
think
we
all
learned
a
lot
that
was
very
helpful,
so
next
we're
gonna
we're
rounding
the
corner,
folks
we're
on
meeting
number
four
or
five
in
relationship
to
our
budget
and,
as
you
all
know,
because
you've
participated
in
in
three
of
them.
So
far
we
actually
have
mixed
in
a
little
bit
of
more
operating
talk
earlier
on
than
we.
N
N
So,
but
this
is
number
touch
number
four
five.
This
is
the
a
spotlight
on
the
operating
budget,
and
hopefully
we
can
walk
away
from
this
meeting,
knowing
what
any
questions
or
concerns
are
to
set
us
up
well
for
next
month
and
which
in
which
we
will
be
seeking
a
board
recommendation.
N
T
Thanks
dan
good
evening
trustees,
thank
you
for
having
us
again,
it's
nice
to
see
you
all.
I'm
sam
mcqueen,
I'm
the
business
service,
business
services,
senior
manager
for
the
department
and
I'm
joined
by
cole,
moffitt
senior
accountant
cole's,
going
to
kick
us
off
with
a
presentation,
so
I'll
be
sharing
my
screen.
So
I'm
going
to
get
that
up
now.
U
You
can
just
go
ahead
to
the
next
slide.
Sam
hi
everybody
good
evening
welcome
to
the
open
space
meeting
for
the
look
at
the
operating
budget.
So
looking
at
the
calendar,
this
is
the
first
official
touch
of
the
draft
2023
operating
budget
with
the
remainder
and
the
second
touch
to
be
happen.
Recommendations
slated
for
the
next
business
meeting
in
august
next
slide.
U
U
B
U
And
so,
within
the
operating
budget
there
are
four
different
expenditure
expenditure
types
consisting
of
personnel
expenditures,
non-personnel
expenditures,
what
we
call
npe
cost
allocation
and
debt
service.
So
the
open.
The
open
space
fund
supports
the
entire
operating
budget,
unlike
cip,
which
is
also
partly
funded
with
lottery
dollars,
and
also
important
to
note.
The
osmp
also
no
longer
receives
any
general
fund
dollars,
but
we
still
partner
with
other
general
fund
departments
through
mousse.
U
U
This
65
refers
to
salaries
and
benefits
across
employment
types
such
as
standard
fte
positions,
non-standard,
as
well
as
our
seasonal
and
temporary
positions,
so
all
across
the
board,
staffing
and
the
finance
department
models,
standard
positions
for
us,
however,
osmp
oversees
modeling
of
our
own
temporary
and
seasonal
costs
and
increases
for
the
2023
operating
budget
do
include
adjustments
to
the
city's
compensation
and
classification
structure,
so
everything
you're
seeing
has
been
updated
for
that
slide,
and
next
is
our
non-personnel
expenditures,
which
is
about
20
of
our
operating
budget
this
year
and
some
examples
of
npe
and
core
service
projects
and
programs
are,
you
know,
like
smaller
scale,
contracted
work,
anything
like
routine
maintenance,
crusher
fines
for
small
trail
repairs,
funded
research,
studies
by
other
agencies,
training,
ppe,
etc.
U
Anything
that's
not
directly
tied
to
a
salary
or
benefit,
and
this
can
include
inter
interdepartmental
charges
as
well,
such
as
like
the
savings
mechanisms
for
the
budget
guidelines
to
support
major
purchases
like
I
mentioned
vehicles
and
computer
replacement
funds.
So
up
next
sam
will
walk
us
through
the
next
pieces
of
the
operating
budget,
which
is
cost
allocation
and
debt.
T
T
Examples
include
city,
attorney's
office
support,
hr
services
and
it
costs
typically,
the
city
updates
the
cost
allocation
plan.
Every
two
to
three
years.
The
2020
plan
was
deferred
because
of
coven
19
revenue
impacts,
so
we're
seeing
the
first
material
difference
in
the
cost
allocation
amount
since
2018
for
the
2023
budget.
T
Debt
service
is
the
last
category
of
operating
budget
expenditures,
debt
service
on
bonds
and
annual
payments
to
the
boulder
municipal
property
authority
or
bumpa
make
up
six
percent
of
the
operating
budget.
It
includes
repayment
of
a
2014
general
obligation
bond,
which
supported
the
last
iteration
of
land
acquisition
in
osmp.
T
T
At
a
high
level,
this
chart
shows
how
operating
dollars
are
spent
on
core
services
in
the
department.
So
you
can
see
here
that
osmp
generally
spends
a
comparable
amount
on
programs
and
projects
within
the
community
connections
and
partnerships,
resources
and
stewardship
and
trails
and
facilities
service
areas.
T
To
dig
into
this
further,
the
department
uses
a
fund
financial
to
detail,
revenues
and
expenses
across
years.
Here
revenues
are
categorized
to
better
understand
sources
of
funds
for
osmp's
operating
and
cip
budgets.
It
includes
actual
dollars
spent
in
2021,
the
2022
budgeted
amount
and
an
estimate
of
2023
revenues
in
each
category.
T
Estimates
for
some
of
these
categories,
like
net
sales
tax
revenue,
are
provided
to
us
by
the
finance
department
in
their
work
with
cu
economic
forecasters.
We
use
a
combination
of
known
revenue,
increase
amounts.
The
consumer
price
index
released
by
the
federal
bureau
of
labor
statistics
in
coordination
with
the
finance
department
to
build
assumptions
for
the
other
categories,
so,
for
instance,
in
the
special
activity
charges
permits
and
fees
category.
T
T
And
this
is
a
snippet
of
expenses
included
in
the
fund
financial.
You
can
see
in
the
2023
recommended
column
that
dollar
amounts
for
each
service
area
align
with
the
chart
we
presented
in
a
previous
slide
generally,
this
table
shows
that
osmp
will
be
making
additions
to
the
operating
budget
in
2023
over
2022
levels.
T
T
This
snippet
shows
expenses
for
the
central
services
service
area.
As
an
example,
it's
made
up
of
three
work
groups.
You
can
see
in
the
variance
column
that
there's
an
addition
of
one
fte
from
2022
to
23,
which
reflects
the
extension
of
a
fixed
term
operations
coordinator
to
support
fema
work
for
2013
flood
and
marshall
fire
recovery.
T
T
T
T
T
The
first
budget
request
would
support
wildland
fire
resilience
efforts
at
the
time
of
the
memo.
It
was
shared
as
an
edition
of
one
fte.
We've
since
had
conversations
with
ebt
and
may
keep
the
150
000
as
a
flexible
dollar
amount
to
focus
on
the
department-wide
approach
to
wildfire
mitigation,
planning,
coordination
and
implementation.
T
E
I
don't
know
if
dave
was
about
to
speak
but
assamma
on
page
three-
and
I
I
don't
remember
if
this
was
answered
in
a
previous
meeting,
but
there's
a
mention
that
there
was
an
a
freeze
of
annual
merit.
Salary
increases
in
2021.
E
But
then
they
were
restored
in
2022
and
will
continue
in
2023.
Was
there
a
catch-up
made
or
is
that
a
permanent
loss
to
employees.
T
There
was
not
a
catch-up
made
in
that
time
period.
The
amounts
that
were
the
merit
increase
range
was
higher
for
2022
than
2020
when
there
were
before
the
freeze
happened,
but
there
was
not
that
ketchup
period
for
that.
E
Has
the
city
considered
how
they
would
deal
with?
You
know
the
rising
cost
of
inflation
with
with
employees
who
live
in
this
very
expensive,
wonderful
place,
having
potentially
missed
out
on
on
an
increase.
T
There
are
plans
to
review
market
rates
for
positions
on
a
regular
basis,
so
regular
basis
is
still
being
defined,
whether
that's
annual
biannual
they're
going
to
take
a
look
at
what
the
appropriate
cost
of
of
paying
for
a
position
is,
and
that
could
include
cost
of
living
adjustments.
But
we
don't
have
those
defined
details
just
yet,
but
I
know
that
has
certainly
come
up.
We've
certainly
heard
that
from
employees
from
from
the
public,
so
I
know
it's
on.
That's
at
the
top
of
the
mind.
I
don't
have
a
clear
answer
on
that.
B
N
The
first
phase
happened
last
fall
in
which
the
city
is
trying
to
be
a
you
know
very
competitive
in
terms
of
what
we
pay
employees,
so
they
that
first
analysis
happened
and
there's
now
a
phase
two
in
which
a
new
another
consultant's
been
hired
to
make
sure
that
we're
you
know
making
sure
that
we
are
a
very
competitively
organization
in
terms
of
pay
and
and
to
also
address
some
things
that
we
had
questions
on
last
year.
So
it's
sam
is
right.
We're
we're
continually.
N
A
And
related
to
that
dan,
can
you
say
something
about
the
the
jobs
market
and
the
number
of
positions
that
are
vacant
now
versus.
N
Yeah,
unfortunately,
fortunately
we
have
some
good
news
from
the
city
perspective,
our
vacancy
rate
from
january
first,
and
now
we
we
so
we
are
almost
looking
at
that
monthly
and
our
I
believe
it
was
july.
1St,
maybe
vacancy
rate
has
we've
made
we've
the
city's
made
up
some
ground,
so
we
were
able
to
fill
a
number
of
positions
that
were
vacant.
The
department
as
a
whole
is
very
faring
pretty.
N
Well,
one
of
the
areas
that
we
were
concerned
with
is
looking
at
our
seasonal
workforce
of
whether
or
not
you
know
it
whether
or
not
the
pay
and
the
fact
that
the
duration
isn't
that
long,
whether
or
not
we
would
actually
be
able
to
fill
our
crews,
we
had
good
news
were,
were
almost
all
staff
from
a
crew
perspective.
N
We
have
noticed,
though,
that
the
hiring
pool
was
less
this
year
than
was
typical.
N
So
while
we
didn't
sort
of
go
over
in
terms
of
not
being
able
to
fill
our
cruise
because
we're
having
a
very
successful
field
season,
well,
we
did
notice
that
the
the
pool
of
applicants
was
was
was
lower,
so
something
we're
definitely
keeping
an
eye
out
on.
N
No
ours,
we
have
a
few
exceptions,
so
we
have
a
couple
of
positions
that
were,
we
are
unable
to
fill,
but
I
I
don't
want
to
base
those
couple
of
in
any
sort
of
trend
or
anything.
So
we
have
some
exceptions
to
to
our
rule,
at
least
and
as
a
city
of
as
a
whole.
We
were
experiencing
some
pain
earlier
on
and
it
seems
to
be
that
we're
we're
slowly
but
surely
filling
some
important
vacancies.
T
So
we
update
that
on
a
pretty
regular
basis.
We
actually
have
an
update,
that's
going
to
be
pushed
next
week,
so
you'll
see
those
updates.
We
try
to
make
them,
as
there
are
major
shifts
across
the
department.
So
you'll
see
those
happen
when
we
make
a
couple
of
hires
and
make
sure
that
we
we
update
names
so
that
you
know
who's
in
each
position.
A
G
So
cole
and
sam
thanks
for
the
presentation
that
was
very
helpful
and
I
thought
the
the
memo
was
also
very
instructive.
As
far
as
the
information
you
know,
I
can
finally
understand
most
of
it.
So
that's
good,
but
two
things
one
is
I'm
not
a
big
fan
of
how
the
city
calculates
cost
allocation,
and
so
it
was
with
some
concern
that
I
saw
in
the
memo,
obviously
that
that
the
cost
allocation
number
has
increased
rather
substantially.
G
My
question
is:
do
we
know,
as
far
as
the
city
calculating
that
with
the
various
departments
are
they
can?
Is
it
consistent
with
other
dedicated
funds?
In
other
words,
are
we
seeing
you
know
similar
percentages
or
numbers
associated
with
other
dedicated
funds?
As
far
as
cost
allocation
calculations.
T
We
are
yeah.
We
checked
that
as
part
of
our
review
process.
We
do
get
an
opportunity
to
respond
and
give
some
feedback
on
the
cost
allocation
plan
and
as
part
of
that
review
process,
we
do
go
in
and
check
to
see
if
other
funds
are
being
charged,
comparable
amounts
compared
to
their
total
budgets
and
we
are
around
the
same
amount
generally
from
the
2022
budget.
We
we
were
about.
Eight
percent
of
our
operating
budget
was
cost
allocation
this
year,
it's
nine
percent.
We
hover
about
the
same
as
the
other
departments
that
have
dedicated
funds.
G
Okay
and
my
other
question
was
regarding
the
reference
to
the
news
budget
process,
software
open
gov
and
my
question
is:
how
does
it
fit
with
the
other?
You
know
asset
and
project
management,
software,
the
you
know,
work
plan,
scheduling
software,
you
know
the
various
other.
You
know
processes
that
we're
using
to
plan
the
annual
or
create
the
annual
work
plan.
So
how
does
it
fit
with
you
know
those
other
softwares.
T
Yes,
that's
a
great
question,
so
we
are
still
learning
a
lot
about
opengl.
This
is
our
first
year
using
it.
We
still
maintain
all
of
the
same
softwares
within
osmp,
so,
for
instance,
work
planning
software
compass
that
we
use.
We
still
build
our
work
plan
in
there.
We
review
our
work
plan,
update
our
work
plan
in
there
and
then
we
as
a
budget
team
cole,
and
I
will
go
into
opengov
and
submit
final
information
into
opengov,
so
we
sort
of
it
doesn't
feed
in
to
opengov.
T
We
we
manually
add
information,
it
does
feed
it's
pull.
We
are
pulling
information
from
our
financial
system
into
there,
but
it's
not
the
same.
As
you
know,
it's
not
reading
our
work
plan
from
any
other
softwares.
We
are
still.
T
I
mentioned
that
we
we've
presented
information
to
you
in
the
way
that
it
had
been
presented
in
previous
years,
because
that's
what
we
we
know
the
best.
We
know
that
we
can
share
information
that
way
the
best
we
know
it'll
look
a
little
bit
different
in
opengov,
but
generally
the
information
the
way
it
had
been
pulled
in
previous
years.
T
We
still
if
I
continue
with
our
work
plan
as
an
example,
so
our
cip,
our
cip,
gets
pulled
from
compass
cole
and
I
would
submit
that
into
the
software
that
we
had
previously
used
and
it
gets
you
know,
cleaned
up,
analyzed
and
then
presented
into
a
budget
book.
It's
similar
for
open
gov,
we're
still
taking
that
information
from
compass
for
the
cip.
It
gets
cleaned
up
and
you
know
changed
a
little
bit
and
show
it'll
be
shown
in
the
open
gov
budget
book
going
forward.
N
And
dave,
if
I
can
just
add
to
that
so
a
little
bit
of
two
different
sort
of
purposes
between
those
two
systems,
the
work
planning
system
is,
is
less
of
dollar
spent
and
and
that
sort
of
thing
it's
more
of
how
many
staff
hours
are
going
to
this
particular
project
which
which
staff
members
are
involved,
trying
to
determine
the
priority
of
that
project.
So
we
could
determine
whether
or
not
to
actually
give
it
a
green
light
or
pause
and
and
so
prioritization
master
plan
connections.
N
That's
where
we
tend
to
build
out
and
try
to
do
analysis
of
of
how
it
relates
to
the
master
plan
and
then
so
it's
less
on
the
budget
side
of
things.
So
a
little
bit
two
different
purposes
between
our
work
planning
software
and
our
and
the
city's
budget
programming.
G
Yeah,
I'm
just
wondering
about
yeah,
whatever
compatibilities
either
exist
or
potentially
exist,
whether
they
will
be,
you
know,
integrated
in
in
a
timely
fashion,
so
that
you
know
the
whole
planning
process
is
a
little
more
contextual.
I
guess
so.
Thanks.
E
Can
I
go
back
to
my
questions?
What
am
I
misunderstanding
with
the
chart
on
page
eight
in
head
count
on
on
the
top
of
the
chart,
it's
projected
osmp
staffing
allocation
by
service
area
and
workers
when,
when
we
talk
about
the
other
like
the
office
of
the
director
of
central
services
and
then
the
right
co,
the
far
right
column
is
the
number
of
humans
right,
the
temporary
human,
not
a
a
and
a
full-time
equivalent.
E
T
Is
potentially
an
error
and
I
apologize
the
totals,
though
I
apologize,
that
could
be
an
error
on
my
end,
I
will
make
sure
to
get
that
updated
and
send
that
out
to
you.
E
T
T
Okay
and
the
number
that
you
saw
in
the
presentation,
if
it's
helpful,
I
can
pull
that
back
up.
Has
the
correct
totals.
E
T
E
In
theory,
you
could
do
that
math,
though,
and
and
divide
the
the
budgeted
personnel
hours
by
2080
to
get
an
fte.
That's.
T
Correct-
and
we
have
done
that
so
in
the
budget
book
in
2022
and
2021,
the
the
finance
department
did-
that
it
shakes
up
to
a
much
different
number
for
us
and
it
doesn't
translate
as
well
into
how
many
staff
we
have
out
doing
work.
So
we
have
traditionally
shown
it
as
a
head
count
for
seasonal
and
temporary
staff,
because
the
hours
can
be
so
variable,
but
it
does.
It
has
been
presented
that
way
in
a
in
the
budget
book.
E
Yeah
I
mean
it's
it's
good
to
know
that
there
are
115
junior
rangers
rather
than
you
know,
five
fte.
I
don't
know
what
I'm
making
that
up,
but
but
I
think
it's
it's.
It's
a
nice
number
to
see.
115.
T
T
T
It
is,
it
is
not
a
it's
not
a
coincidence
coincidence.
E
T
I'm
sorry,
I
should
have
known
that
before
I
did
the
mad
race
to
find
it.
It
is
36.
It's
a
coincidence.
Wow,
okay,.
T
I
you
know
I
do
want
to
double
check,
though
before
it
like.
I
said
I
do
want
to
make
sure
that
I
clarify
this
and
send
out
the
numbers
to
you,
because
the
the
hard
numbers
I'm
seeing
in
the
the
seasonal
and
temporary
column
that
that
does
look
too
close.
It's
just
that
the
totals
at
the
bottom
are
just
point
one
off
of
each
other,
so
I
will
make
sure
to
get
you
those
updated.
M
Yeah
I
did-
and
this
is
actually
probably
more
for
dan
than
sam.
M
So
on
page
six,
we
talk
about
the
2023
budget
structure,
delivering
on
commitments
and
that
there
is
a
possible
request
for
the
position
that
will
include
fire
management,
and
I
know
the
last
couple
of
years
has
been
unique
to
say
the
least,
but
two
years
ago,
when
we
approved
the
position
that
was
really
kind
of
a
request
that
was
put
out
as
like
a
quantitative
like
the
position
would
give
us
25
each
year
and
then
completion.
M
So
I
don't
know
if,
if
we
just
haven't
gotten
an
update
on
that
or
if
there
was
more
of
an
issue
with
the
software
or
or
whatever
happened,
but
I
don't
feel
like
we're
going
to
get
those
trail,
maintenance
numbers
and
the
time
frame
that
we
thought
and
moving
forward.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
for
myself
when
we're
talking
about
new
positions,
especially
if
they're
brought
to
the
board,
with
with
something
as
specific.
M
As
you
know,
these
numbers
per
year
that
that
we
keep
the
communication
open
and
talk
about,
what's
good,
what's
bad,
what's
working,
what's
not
working
because
I
was,
I
was
excited
for
that
and
and
what
that
would
deliver.
So
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
forward
and
talking
about
new
positions
and
and
just
making
sure
that
we're
circling
back
and
and
communicating
with
what's
going
on.
N
Yeah,
well,
I
think
you're,
referring
to,
I
believe
it
was
last
year's
budget
request.
We
we
had
somebody
who
was
in
a
temporary
status
that
is
responsible
for
doing
the
monitoring
of
our
trail
conditions
and
and
and
yes,
they
do
about
25
of
our
system
a
year.
So
every
five
years
we
have
a
complete
picture
if
you
will,
but
by
that
time
some
data
is
four
years
old
already,
and
then
we
repeat
it.
So
that
was
a
somebody.
N
That's
been
in
that
role
for
a
number
of
years,
and
we
realized
that
this
is
an
ongoing
need
and
in
order
to
do
the
right
thing
and
keep
this
person
on,
we
needed
to
make
it
a
standard
position.
So
that
is
what
we
call
the
conversion
of
an
existing
position
and
to
make
them
going
from
temporary
to
standard
it's.
N
It's
not
so
much
a
budget
issue,
it's
a
little
bit
more
expensive
to
bring
on
a
standard
versus
attempt,
but
is
also
the
right
thing
to
do,
and
you
should
still
remain
very
excited
about
that
position
and
in
fact,
we're
going
to
be
talking.
That
will
be
a
good
focus.
N
This
fall
starting
with
the
field
trip
in
august
and
then
moving
into
the
september
and
actually
the
november
conversation
as
well,
because
that
person
is
also
helping
to
monitor
undesignated
trails
and
where
undesignated
trails
exist
on
the
system,
and
so
we
will
actually
provide
you
all
with
some
data
to
kind
of
what
your
appetite
we'll
do.
A
full
report
out
once
the
five
years
has
been
completed
again,
but
we
know
that
this
is
really
exciting
data.
It's
of
interest
to
the
board
and
we'll
actually
delve
into
some
of
that
data.
M
Okay,
so
that
and-
and
I
think
I
remember
that
as
well
talking
about
you
know
what
would
happen
at
the
end
of
the
five
years
versus
yearly
updates
or
what
have
you
so
if
we're
going
to
talk
about
it
in
the
fall,
that
would
be
good.
A
Before
we
leave
that
general
topic,
I
also
have
a
question
on
page
four
about
and.
M
Yes,
it's
and
I
know
we
talked
about
the
open
gov
software,
but
the
the
entire
city
is
is
still
using.
The
beehive
is
that
still.
T
So
we
we
still
use
beehive
beehive,
will
not
be
going
away
with
the
transition
to
opengl
gov
opengov
is
a
software
tool
that
we're
using
on
top
of
the
other
systems.
Previously,
the
budget
book
was
actually
built
as
a
in
indesign
and
submitted
as
a
pdf
form.
Opengov
is
going
to
be
a
more
flexible
tool
that
can
be
viewed
online.
M
Yeah-
and
I
know
that
they're
kind
of
like
like
what
beehive
can
do
is
very
different
from
you
know.
Like
the
finance
perspective,
I
was
just
wondering
unless
my
memory
is
serving
me
incorrectly,
that
that
the
software
was
going
to
be
used
in
a
bunch
of
different
departments
in
the
city.
N
Yeah
but
beehive
is
our
one
of
our
central
asset
management
software
systems.
That's
used
robustly
throughout
the
city,
including
open
space,
so
yeah
you
can
think
of
it
as
work
planning.
We
have
compass
asset
management,
we
have
beehive
and
budget.
We
have
opengov
okay,.
A
Okay,
so
going
back
to
page
four,
I
wanna
ask
about
the
osmp
wildland
fire
coordinator
position
and
sam.
You
said
it
could
include
a
staff
position
or
it
could.
What.
N
Sam,
why
didn't
I
take
that
out
because
I
actually
serve
on
ebt,
I'm
one
of
the
reps,
so
this
is
an
emergent
issue.
This
was
a
position
that,
and
what
I
mean
by
emergent,
is
perhaps
a
year
and
a
half
ago.
We
didn't
envision
this
particular
position
or
wanting
to
enhance
our
budget
by.
I
think
it's
158
000
for
wildland
fire
resiliency,
so
it
karen
it
to
be.
N
Admittedly,
it's
a
little
bit
more
fluid
than
we
would
love
it
to
be
at
this
point,
usually
you
have
it
all
nailed
down
and
you
get
a
yes
or
no,
but
the
conversations
with
the
ebt
at
this
point
is
trying
to
understand
the
best
use
of
that
158
000.
It's
likely
to
include
a
staff
person,
but
is
that
staff
person
a
a
fixed
term?
N
Is
it
a
standard
so
kind
of
some
slight
discussion
still
going
on
on
what
exactly
that
might
look
like,
but
I
think
the
bottom
line
is
that
the
city
and
the
department
is
committing
is
wanting
to
commit
158
thousand
of
additional
dollars
that
aren't
being
spent
in
that
area
to
be
spent
on
wildland
fire
resiliency,
and
I
think
we
have
presented
a
need
that
in
order
to
coordinate
not
only
this
new
work,
but
all
the
existing
work
would
be
great
to
have
it
more
centrally
coordinated
than
spread
out
through
multiple
staff
through
multiple
service
areas.
N
So
I'm
expecting
that
some
staffing
that
a
stat
position
will
come
out
of
it.
It's
just
uncertain
exactly
what
it
will
look
like,
but
I
think
I'm
pretty
confident
to
say
that
we'll
have
158
000
dedicated
to
wildland
fire
resiliency
and
I'm
and
I'm
I'm
optimistic
that
it
will
include
a
staff
position.
A
The
reason
why
I'm
asking
about
this
is,
I
understood
most,
if
not
all,
of
what
you
just
explained
from
the
memo,
but
then
I
was
perplexed
by
sam's.
Wording
of
it
could
include
a
staff
position
and-
and
the
reason
why
I
wanted
to
comment
about
this-
is
from
a
board
perspective
and
listening
to
the
public
about
how
eager
they
are
to
have
staff
move
forward
with
wildfire
preparedness
plans.
A
The
board,
having
our
ears
to
the
ground
and
hearing
from
the
public
all
the
time
is
in
a
position
to
provide
ebt
with
a
different
perspective,
and-
and
I
wanted
to
ask
my
colleagues
whether
they
would
agree
with
me,
based
on
what
they
hear
from
the
public
about
the
eagerness
to
to
move
forward
in
this
venue.
A
N
Was
just
saying,
I
think,
where
the
nuance
discussions
right
now
is
exactly
what
it
would
look
like
and
and
what
type
of
staff
it
would
be
rather
than
whether
or
not
we
should
spend
the
money.
I
think
the
city
leadership
is
is
support.
Definitely
supportive
of
the
work
just
trying
to
understand
of
of
more
of
the
details
at
this
point.
N
That's
why
we
were
just
using
a
little
bit
of
language
that
wasn't
quite
solid,
and
but
I
fully
expect
that
in
our
august
memo
we
would
be
able
to
provide
you
the
very
specific
details.
M
And
I
guess
to
answer
your
question
karen.
Yes,
when
I
speak
to
the
public,
you
know
wildfires
are
everyone's
major
concern.
I
think
that
half
of
older
people
in
the
front
range
you
know
truly
have
some
sort
of
post
traumatic
stress
when
we
smell
certain
things
or
the
wind
blows
a
certain
way,
everyone's,
you
know
kind
of
on
edge.
So
I
I
would
say
I
think
it's
a
at
the
forefront
of
everyone's
minds.
A
G
Sorry
I
was
trying
to
talk,
but
I
probably
should
stay
muted,
so
karen
dan,
I
I
guess
this
is
for
you.
This
feels,
like
you,
know,
little
agency
knee-jerk
to
me
so
dan,
when
you
say
we
we're
gonna,
be
more
specific
and
less
ambiguous.
I
think
that's
really
critical,
because
it's
you
know
it
just
feels
to
me
like
it's.
G
You
know
with
you
know:
firefighting
qualifications
is
really
what's
necessary
and
I
so
I'm
just
questioning
whether
we
need
more
administration
or
whether,
in
fact,
we
need
boots
on
the
ground,
and
one
of
the
concerns
that
and
just
as
an
aside
in
the
attachment,
as
far
as
the
powerpoint
presentation
on
wildfire
resilience
to
the
council
in
april,
is
that
it
gives
the
impression
that
we
can
thin
and
graze
our
way
out
of
a
wildfire
risk,
and
the
fact
is
is
that
there's
no
way
that
that's
ever
going
to
happen
and
one
of
the
key
ways
to
reduce
and
mitigate
wildfire
risk
is
to
use
prescribed
fire,
and
I
know
now
that
you
know
fire
is
now
all
of
a
sudden
the
enemy.
G
But
I
think
it's
incumbent
on
us
to
you
know,
educate
this
community.
That
fire
is
really
you
know
one
of
our
allies
and
we
need
to
use
it
effectively
if
we're
going
to
actually
have
any
hope
of
reducing.
You
know
wildfire
risk,
especially
in
the
terrain
that
you
know
we
have
on
the
west
side
of
of
the
city.
There
is
no
way
that
risk
is
going
to
be
reduced
by
grazing
or
or
thinning
just
given
the
topography.
G
So-
and
I
know
you
know
especially
this
year-
there's
a
reaction
to
you-
know
major
wildfires
caused
by
prescribed
burns
in
new
mexico
and
arizona
and
yeah.
Those
are
problems,
but
we
should
be
getting
much
more
sophisticated
and
able
to
put
fire
on
the
ground
effectively
and
safely.
If,
in
fact,
we
do
want
to
achieve
any
kind
of
mitigation
of
the
wildfire
risk.
M
When
they
were
talking
to
us
about
it,
if
I
remember
it
right
didn't
they
say
you
know
that
there
was
state
law
surrounding
it
and
that
you
know
the
the
day
that
it
could
happen
had
to
have
certain
particulars
in
order
for,
I
guess
a
permit
to
be
given
for
it.
So
was
the
understanding
that,
if
you
know
like
kind
of
the
magical
day
pops
up
to
where
it
could
be
done
it
it
is
being
done.
I
I
understood
it
to
be
said.
Is
that
right,
dan.
N
Yeah,
I
mean
first
of
all,
I
think
dave
yes
and
caroline.
Yes,
there's
there's
definitely
criteria
and
parameters
that
need
to
be
met
and
that's
codified
and
things
that
are
out
of
our
control.
N
We
must
follow
those
windows
that
are
made
available,
but
I
will
tell
you
that
there
is
conversations
and
amongst
the
staff
and
and
others
that
are
that
are
looking
at
ways
of
collaborating
at
the
state
level,
even
and
and
and
looking
at
what
the
criterias
are
and
whether
or
not
there's
an
opportunity
to
try
to
expand
those
windows
so
from
a
number
of
different
fronts
from
grants.
We're
trying
to
obtain
more
aggressively
to
to
state
changes
in
criteria.
N
We're
look
we're
looking
at
that
dave,
as
you
may
have
noticed,
we
dedicated
resources
to
enable
us
now
to
have
two
crews
on
the
ground
and
that
change
was
made
last
year
to
increase
our
boots
on
the
ground,
the
sort
of
the
bureaucratic
nature
of
a
staff
position.
I
think
that
when
we
provide
you,
maybe
with
a
little
bit
more
details
next
month,
I
I
hopefully
hopefully
you'll
be
satisfied
that
that
will
be
put
to
good
use,
but
yeah
there's
just
a
number
of
fronts.
We
got
to
be.
N
We
got
to
be
hitting
this
on
and
it
could
and
carolina.
It
could
be
trying
to
look
at
whether
or
not
we
need
to
get
some
state
law
and
changed
in
order
for
us
to
have
more
opportunity
to
put
fire
on
the
ground
in
a
responsible
way.
M
Yeah-
and
I
I
assume
we're
not
the
only
entity,
thinking
about
that
you
know
and
and
that
you
know
we
should
expand
on
on
doing
it,
because
you
know
it,
I
just
it's
a
lot
for
our
open
space.
So
I'm
really
glad
that
you
brought
that
up
dave.
A
G
G
We
need
to
be
more
sophisticated
and,
I
think,
have
the
capability
to
do
these
things,
and
this
we
have
to
make
the
case
and
dan
you're
absolutely
right
at
the
state
level
that
you
know
the
pollution
regulations
you
know
may
have
to
be
modified
so
that
you
know
fire
and
at
the
appropriate
times
can
be
done,
given
the
fact
that
wildfire
will
provide
far
more
pollution,
you
know
if
it
goes
on
and
on
than
a
prescribed
burn
will
and-
and
so
it's
those
kinds
of
things
that
I
think
we
as
a
city
and
in
collaboration
with
other
agencies-
need
to
be
really
focused
on
yeah
at
the
state,
as
well
as
the
local
levels.
G
A
And
one
of
the
reasons
why
I
want
to
see
this
position
expedited
and
really
in
the
budget
this
year
rather
than
next
year,
is
because
there
are
other
things
like
that,
like
the
the
need
to
update
the
cwpp,
that
requires
staff
to
do
the
job.
N
Yeah,
this
position
will
have
their
fingers
in
prevention
response
and
recovery
and
could
be
looking
at
grant
grant
identification
changes
in
in
state
law
response
having
better
direct
one
connection
into
the
eoc
there's
just
a
number
of
things
that
are
on
the
laundry
list
of
of
of
what
more
enhanced
coordination
and
collaboration
from
our
standpoint
could
result
in
more
effective
on
the
ground
stuff.
So
yeah
all.
A
T
That's
a
couple
different
things,
so,
just
for
karen,
you
may
know
what
carryover
is,
but
I'll
just
go
through
this
really
quickly.
Many
of
our
projects
span
multiple
years,
so
carryover
allows
us
to
take
the
unspent
balance
from
cip
projects
from
the
previous
year,
move
it
into
the
current
year
to
continue
that
project,
so
the
11
million
is
that
carryover?
T
It's
also
our
atb,
and
so,
if
you
remember,
1.6
million
dollars
was
appropriated
earlier
this
year
for
marshall
fire.
So
that
includes
the
atv
money
as
well.
T
So
our
carryover
amount
is
quite
large
because
again
we
do
continue
projects
over
multiple
years,
so
the
money
that
was
allocated
in
2021
and
then
projects
that
continued
into
2022,
whether
they
had
contracts
set
up
or
whether
the
money
was
planned
to
be
spent
in
2022.
Because
of
you
know,
certain
certain
construction
activities
were
wrapping
up
or
something
like
that.
It
gets
carried
forward
into
that
way.
So
it
is
a
large
number.
It
tends
to
be
around
that
large
number
too.
So
you'll
see.
T
A
U
N
Yeah,
karen
for
acquisitions,
we
fund
acquisitions
every
year,
but
there's
multiple
years
where
we
may
go
without
the
opportunity,
and
so
we
carry
those
funds
forward.
So,
as
cole
says
we
have
about,
I
know
I
want
to
say
around
4
million
in
what
we
call
our
land,
water
and
mineral
acquisition
fund
for
us
to
be
able
to
react
to
a
a
high
priority
opportunity.
N
For
our
for
the
acquisition
cips,
it
could
be
land,
water
or
minerals.
I.
A
F
N
N
I
would
I
would
say
that
again
we
have
a
a
much
shorter
list
than
who
we
did
in
2018.
Let's
say
when
we
we
knew
we
were
going
after
very
specific
properties.
I
would
say
this
day
it
could
be
characterized
as
as
as
less
specific
and
and
and
but
there
was
just
a
a
a
possible
important
water
right
that
just
came
to
our
attention
last
month
that
we're
now
investigating
whether
or
not
that
could
be
a
reality.
N
So
I
would
say
that,
more
than
in
the
past,
it's
more
of
an
up
opportunistic
than
it
is
on
very
held
for
very
specific
property.
A
And
and
one
other
question
that
I
have
that
hasn't
been
asked
or
answered
yet
is
the
hub
rent
increase,
makes
me
wonder
whether
we
still
we
have
a
long-range
strategy
of
continuing
to
rent,
because
at
one
time
we
were
going
to
build.
Something.
Is
the
housing
strategy
for
the
department's
long
range
to
continue
renting.
N
Sam,
why
don't
you
cover
the
reason
we
put
it
in
the
budget
this
year
as
a
as
a
budget
request,
and
I
I
can
really
touch
upon
looking
down
the
road
a
few
years.
T
Yeah,
so
we
did
put
it
into
the
budget
request,
because
in
previous
years
there
we
do
see
regular
increases
to
the
hub
rent
as
part
of
our
negotiations.
Typically,
we
can
cover
them
with
reallocations,
but
with
increases
across
the
board
for
cost
of
inputs,
and
we
know
that
operating
costs
are
going
up.
We
did
need
to
recognize
that
as
an
actual
increase
to
our
budget
this
year.
So
that's
why
we
included
it
this
year
and
I
think
dan
will
get
into
it.
T
But
we
do
have
some
contingency
funds
set
aside
to
just
for
future
plans.
N
Yeah,
I
think,
what's
driving
decisions
right
now,
starting
in
2026
karen
is
this:
city-wide
is
going
through.
They
developed
a
facilities,
master
plan
they're
our
first
city-wide
facilities,
master
plan.
N
There
has,
in
that
master
plan
and
in
recent
conversations
with
council
there's
been
discussion
of
what
an
east
campus
looks
like
for
the
city
right
now
we
have
what
we
call
the
municipal
yard
site,
which
is
a
pretty
significant
building.
It
wouldn't
quite
do
the
job
of
what
we
would
need
it
to
do,
for
instance,
to
end
up
housing
open
space
as
well
as
other
things.
So,
but
we
do
know
that
things
could
be
pretty
much
clearer
starting
in
2026.
N
So
we
do.
We
had
a
rent
that
had
a
rent
and
then
an
option
for
a
three-year
extension,
and
that's
where
we're
at,
and
we
have
timed
our
end
date
for
our
lease.
At
that
same
time,
when
the
city
should
be
pretty
firm
in
its
decision
of
of
what
an
east
campus
looks
like
and
whether
open
space
would
be
part
of
that
campus.
So
we
have
our
timing
with
the
hub
is
aligned
with
being
able
to
be
flexible.
N
To
look
at
other
options
which
could
be
moving
into
an
existing
facility
right
now
we
are
not.
There
is
no
plans
and
we
are
not
looking
at
any
great
detail
in
terms
of
building
a
site
like
we
were
in
2017,
so
we're
looking
at
the
hub
and
post
hub
we're
waiting
to
see
how
we
might
fit
into
the
the
city's
plans.
H
N
Karen
I'm
just
looking
at
the
agenda
and
it
seems
like
we
might
be
at
a
point
here
where
I
think
we're
probably
definitely
more
than
halfway
through,
but
it
seems
like
it
might
be
a
good
chance
for
a
quick
a
little
time
out.
N
All
right,
we
are
moving
into
madison
department
c,
so
our
final
subject
matter
under-
and
we
are
here
to
present
you
with
an
update
on
where
we're
at
with
our
process
for
evaluating
ebike
use
on
open
space
trails.
So
it
could
be
kind
of
characterized,
as
the
last
few
months
of
some
staff
analysis
this
summer,
looking
at
a
public
engagement
hearing
from
the
community
and
then
this
fall
could
be
characterized
as
more
staff
analysis
and
preparation
of
coming
to
the
board.
N
Twice
later,
this
fall
in
october
and
november
to
discuss,
e-bikes
and
and
ultimately
to
seek
a
recommendation
on
how
the
board
would
like
to
proceed
and
making
a
recommendation
to
council
for
later.
I
would
just
before
I
turn
things
over
to
marty,
just
to
make
note
for
those
of
you
who
weren't
on
the
board
and
maybe
not
as
engaged
on
the
day-to-day
of
open
space
matters.
N
E-Bikes
on
open
spaces
has
been
a
subject
that
has
been
a
subject
numerous
times
over
the
years.
Most
recently
in
2016,
we
came
to
the
board
with
real
estate.
Folks
came
to
the
board
with
some
matters
of
trails,
that
city
transportation
owned
that
fed
into
open
space
trails
and
the
discussion
of
whether
or
not
to
dispose
of
some
open
space
trails
to
be
managed
by
the
city
transportation
department.
N
At
that
time,
what
we
heard
loudly
and
pretty
clearly
from
the
board
at
that
time
was
we
don't
really
want
to
use
the
disposal
trigger
for
this
subject
matter,
if
at
all
possible.
So
we
had
a
pretty
robust
conversation
with
the
board
in
2016.
starting
in
about
2019.
We
were
planning
to
reinitiate
this
discussion,
then
kovit
came
and
it
kind
of
got
put
on
the
back
burners
and
picking
it
up
again
this
year.
N
So
where
we're
at
in
the
process
is
to
kind
of
inform
you
and
to
do
that,
I'm
going
to
turn
things
over
to
our
principal
planner,
marnie
ratzel,
who
I
think
might
be
supported
by
casey
french
tonight
as
well,
but
mainly
marty.
Q
Thanks
dan-
and
it's
good
to
be
here
my
first
time
here
with
the
board-
let's
see
if
I
can
cue
up
my
presentation
while
I
can
still
see
you,
you
guys
are
seeing
the
seeing
this
in
the
correct
view.
I
believe.
Q
Okay,
I
don't
know
why
you
guys
are
so
small,
because
when
everyone
else
presents,
I
can
see
all
of
you,
but
be
that
as
it
may,
it's
gonna
take
me
just
one
minute
to
get
my
notes
up
in
front
of
me
as
well:
okay,
so
great
introduction
dan!
Thank
you
for
that.
As
dan
mentioned,
I'm
here
tonight
to
inform
the
board
of
the
department's
process
to
evaluate
and
consider
e-bikes
on
open
space
trails.
Q
You
know
the
goal
of
today
is
really
to
make
sure
that
you
understand
the
process
where
we
are
at
with
the
evaluation
what's
coming
next
and
when
we'll
be
coming
back
to
the
board
for
input
and
seeking
action.
So
let
me
jump
right.
In
there
we
began
an
evaluation
in
the
spring,
and
today
we've
identified
three
alternatives
being
considered.
Q
Next,
we
are
scheduled
to
come
back
to
the
board
in
the
fall.
As
dan
mentioned.
We've
got
two
touchdowns
one
in
october
to
share
what
we've
heard
from
the
community
and
get
some
input
from
the
board
and
then
in
november,
to
request
action
on
a
final
staff
recommendation,
whether
to
allow
e-bikes
on
open
space
trails
and,
if
so,
where
so
I've
got.
Q
I've
got
about
15
to
20,
minutes
presentation
and
then
we'll
have
some
ample
time
for
questions
with
the
board,
and
you
know
this
is
what
I'll
cover
this
evening,
starting
with
e-bikes.
So
an
e-bike's,
a
bike
with
an
integrated
electric
motor
to
help
users
achieve
and
maintain
cadence
with
less
effort.
Q
Q
We've
seen
some
changes
in
in
2017
state
law
established
three
classifications
of
e-bikes
class
class.
One
two
and
three-
the
state
law
also
changed
the
definition
of
e-bikes
to
no
longer
classify
them
as
motor
vehicles
and
osmp
is
evaluating
and
considering
alternatives
to
allow
class,
1
and
class
2
e-bikes,
which
sees
to
provide
assistance.
When
the
bike
reaches
20
miles
per
hour.
Q
So,
in
terms
of
current
conditions,
city
policy
prohibits
e-bikes
on
open
space
trails,
but
they
are
allowed
on
paved
multi-use
paths
that
are
managed
by
other
city
departments
and,
as
dan
mentioned,
if,
if
e-bikes
are
a
desired
or
envisioned
use
on
a
trail
located
on
open
space
land,
it
currently
requires
us
to
dispose
of
that
land
by
you
know,
you
know
how
it
works,
selling
transferring
or
giving
it
to
another
public
agency
and
dan
gave
a
little
bit
of
history
about
how
that's
really
not
a
preferred
approach.
Q
Q
Q
Several
of
open
space
and
mountain
park
trails
are
interconnected,
with
trails
managed
and
maintained
by
adjacent
public
agencies
that
allow
e-bikes.
Looking
at
this
map.
The
green
trails
on
the
map
allow
e-bikes,
while
the
red
trails
do
not,
and
overall
boulder
county
parks
and
open
space
allows
e-bikes
on
their
planes
trails
with
a
couple
of
exceptions
and
those
exceptions
really
involve
us.
It's
where
there
is
joint
ownership
interest
by
osmp
and
those
include
some
of
those
areas.
Q
Q
So
one
of
the
other
areas
I
had
circled
on
that
county
map-
this
is
showing
you
know
a
larger
scale
version
of
that,
and
this
really
is
a
good
example.
Both
the
longmont
to
boulder
trail
and
the
ibm
connector
trail
are
regional
trails
and
examples
where
our
our
jurisdiction
crosses
back
and
forth
between
trails
managed
by
other
agency
partners,
and
it's
an
example
of
where
visitors
experience,
challenges
with
knowing
and
complying
with
what
are
inconsistent
regulations.
Q
And
what
does
that
also
mean?
Well,
our
rangers
have
observed
increased
e-bike
use
on
open
space
trails
that
connect
with
regional
and
planes
trails
managed
by
these
other
jurisdictions,
and
we've
received
staff
has
have
received
increasing
community
inquiries,
requesting
that
we
review
our
e-bike
use
on
trails.
Q
So
we
began
this
and
a
primary
objective
of
considering
and
evaluating
e-bikes
on
open
space
trails
is
to
improve
access
for
more
ages
and
abilities
of
visitors
and
to
provide
a
consistent
experience.
Q
And
if
a
decision
is
made
to
allow
e-bikes
on
some
open
space
trails,
it
would
provide
that
flexibility
and
alternatives
to
disposal
in
situations
where
e-bikes
are
envisioned.
It
could
also
support
the
broader
climate
goals
to
reduce
greenhouse
gas
emissions.
Q
In
terms
of
the
master
plan,
evaluating
and
considering,
e-bike
use
is
related
to
a
few
strategies
and
including
the
three
that
are
checked
here.
Incidentally,
there's
one
strategy
in
each
tier
of
the
implementation
plan,
and
these
include
assessing
and
managing
increasing
visitation,
encouraging
multimodal
access
to
trailheads
and
supporting
a
range
of
passive
recreation
experiences.
Q
So
staff
began
our
assessment
of
e-bikes
by
considering
whether
they
meet
the
definition
of
passive
recreation
and
there's
some
history,
and
I
feel
like
it's
important
to
provide
that
overview
about
how
e-bike
policy
has
changed
over
the
past
several
years
so
beginning
in
2014,
e-bikes
were
piloted
and
then
permanently
allowed
on
greenway
and
transportation
paved
paths
in
the
city.
Q
At
that
time,
the
os
osmp
interpreted
that
e-bikes
were
motorized
and
that
e-bikes
were
were
a
limited.
I'm
sorry
and
and-
and
I
think
the
other
piece
is
that
the
discussion
was
really
limited
to
looking
at
paid
trails.
Only
over
the
past
eight
years,
the
technology
has
evolved,
as
well
as
the
community
interest,
which
has
begun
to
shift
more
toward
recreational
purposes.
Q
Additionally,
changes
in
state
and
local
regulation
by
several
agency
partners
treat
e-bikes
as
bicycles,
so
in
consultation
with
the
city
attorney's
office,
a
re-evaluation
by
osmp
staff
supports
the
interpretation
that
the
electric
assist
meets.
The
intent
of
non-motorized
of
the
passive
recreation
definition
of
the
2005
visitor
master
plan
in
in
particular,
state
law,
supports
and
recognizes
e-bikes
as
bikes
and
treats
them
very.
Similarly.
Q
So
next
we
began
to
look
at
the
we
utilized
the
visitor
master
plan
and
included
an
activity
assessment
process
that
was
developed
to
evaluate
emerging
activities
using
a
set
of
criteria,
methodology
to
help
guide
decisions
on
what
conditions
should
be
placed
on
e-biking
to
minimize
their
impacts.
Q
So
the
vmp
includes
bicycling,
as
an
activity
allowed
only
on
designated
trails
to
provide
a
high
quality
recreation
opportunity
in
locations
that
can
handle
the
impacts.
Q
So
we
then
took
a
look
at
and
thought
about
different
alternatives
to
consider
and
evaluate
for
e-bike
use
on
open
space
trails,
and
we've
got
three
alternatives
that
have
that
are
being
shared
at
the
moment.
Alternative
a
would
allow
e-bikes
on
all
multi-use
trails
that
allow
bikes
that's
what
you're
seeing
on
this
map,
and
that
represents
about
54
miles
of
trails
that
are
allowed
that
allow
bikes,
which
is
about
35
of
the
154
miles
of
the
trail
network.
Q
Alternative
b
would
allow
e-bikes
on
on
planes
trails,
which
are
defined
by
the
dashed
line
on
the
map.
It's
basically
trails
located
east
of
that
dotted
line.
You
know
it's
broadway
within
the
city
limits
and
continuing
up
that
corridor,
which
turns
into
north
foothills
or
us
36
to
the
north
and
colorado
93
to
the
south.
Q
It
this
alternative
bee
also
proposes
the
boulder
canyon
trail
be
included,
recognizing
that
it's
not
part
of
the
plane
system.
It's
important
to
to
call
that
out,
because
it
is
a
regional
trail
that
is
west
of
broadway
and
it
does
have
a
segment
on
osmp
land,
but
the
length
of
the
corridor
is
really
managed
by
and
maintained
by,
the
city
of
boulder
transportation
and
mobility
within
the
city
limits
and
boulder
county
in
unincorporated,
boulder
county
yeah.
Q
That's
right,
so
the
the
number
of
trail
miles
would
be
about
34
miles
of
open
space
trails
representing
about
22
percent
of
all
trails
in
the
network
and
alternative
c
would
include
interconnected
multi-use
trails.
Essentially,
it's
a
subset
of
the
planes
trails,
but
also
including
the
boulder
canyon
trail,
and
it
would
allow
about
25
miles
for
e-bike
use,
which
represents
about
16
percent
of
all
trails
in
the
network.
Q
So,
starting
with
these
alternatives,
staff
identified
we're
looking
at
the
criteria
shown
here
relevant
criteria,
and
we
looked
at
some
finer
level
considerations
to
evaluate
the
alternatives
against
one
another
and
help
guide,
a
determination
on
which
alternative
has
the
most
advantages,
the
process
that
we've
been
going
on
going
through
the
past
few
months,
as
dan
mentioned,
we've
started
in
the
spring.
Q
And
we
think
alternative
b
really
best
reflects
a
community
engagement
process
while
reflecting
the
findings
of
the
analysis,
there
are
some
similarities
between
alternative,
a
and
alternative
b,
but
we
really
aren't
sure
where
the
community
is
at
and
we
want
to
be
transparent
in
in
where
we're
where
we
as
staff
are
landing,
which
is
why
we
presented
a
preliminary
proposal.
Q
You
know
you
can
see
what
the
benefits
are
and
what
is
why
we're
headed
in
that
direction.
Alternative
b
provides
a
consistent,
visitor
experience
across
interconnected
trails.
We
think
that
the
boundary
of
of
is
the
geographic
boundary
is
a
good
dividing
line.
That
is
relatively
simple
to
message
and
easy
to
understand.
Q
Q
So,
recognizing
that
the
preliminary
proposal
would
wreck
would
allow
e-bikes
on
open
space
trails.
The
activity
would
be
added
as
a
new
category
in
future
visitor
surveys
alongside
all
of
the
other
activities,
and
that
would
allow
us
to
track
change
over
time
as
part
of
system-wide
monitoring
efforts.
Q
So
where
are
we
at
now?
We're
currently
gathering
community
input
on
the
alternatives
and
the
preliminary
preferred
proposal?
Community
input
is
an
important
component
of
evaluating
the
alternatives,
and
the
department
will
update
the
alternatives.
Evaluation
to
incorporate
the
feedback
we
receive.
Q
We're
gathering
feedback
through
an
online
questionnaire
and
staff
is
also
hosting
drop-in
sessions
to
help
any
community
members
that
would
like
some
assistance
in
completing
the
questionnaire.
We
also
are
working
with
our
human
dimensions.
Team
who's,
conducting
intercept
surveys
of
our
visitors
overall
to
just
get
an
understanding
of
general
public
perceptions
regarding
e-bikes
on
open
space.
Q
As
I
mentioned,
we
began
the
engagement
window.
It
actually
started
midday
on
monday
and
we've
publicized
the
opportunity
for
community
input,
both
by
issuing
a
media
release
and
through
all
of
our
social
media
channels.
We're
not
done
yet
we're
still
doing
it
and
we
are
seeing
good
engagement.
Our
communications
have.
Q
Our
communications
team
has
really
helped
generate
over
500
questionnaire
submissions
in
the
past
couple
of
days,
with
over
1300
clicks
through
to
to
learn
more
about
this
and
the
project
web
page
as
of
this
afternoon,
has
had
more
than
2600
views,
which
I
here
is
making
it
one
of
the
most
popular
web
pages.
As
of
right
now,.
Q
So,
in
terms
of
next
steps
kind
of
book
ending,
my
presentation,
kind
of
the
next
step
is
coming
back
to
you
in
the
fall
and
as
dan
mentioned,
we're
coming
back
for
two
touchdowns
one
in
october
to
share
the
feedback,
gather
some
input
from
the
board
and
then
utilize
that
to
come
back
in
november
with
a
final
staff
recommendation
on
a
preferred
alternative
and
whether
about
whether
to
allow
e-bikes
on
open
space
trails
and
ask
for
your
action
to
make
a
recommendation
to
council.
Based
on
that,
and
that
concludes
my
presentation.
Q
I'd
like
to
open
it
up
for
questions
thanks.
Caroline.
M
Yeah,
thank
you.
I
think
my
first
question
is
probably
going
to
be
my
hardest
question
and
I'm
excited
to
talk
about
this,
but
maybe
it's
because
I
haven't
lived
in
boulder
as
long
so
I
just
might
need
a
little
backdrop.
M
M
Hypothetically
speaking,
if
the
board
consensus
was
we
don't
like
e-bikes?
Would
that
mean
that
we
that
that
would
trigger
a
disposal?
I
I
think
I
have
a
question
about
like
process
and
procedure,
and
how
is
this.
N
Yeah,
caroline,
I
can
go
back
to
2016
for
a
bit,
then
marnie,
you
can
add
to
add
to
something.
So
if,
if
if
the
board
concludes
that
the
status
quo
is,
is
what
they
recommend
and
and
and
and
that
ends
up
being,
what
is
the
this?
The
current
situation
is
what
what
we
currently
have,
so
it
doesn't
necessarily
automatically
trigger
disposal.
N
So
what
did
what
it
would
do,
then,
for
instance,
like
the
lobo
trail
that
was
going
from
one
designation
to
another
to
another,
is
we
can
con
as
that
status
quo
could
continue,
and
we
can
continue
to
manage
those
those
little
segments
that
go
that
are
in
open
space
that
don't
allow,
but
if
the
rest
of
the
trail
all
allows
e-bikes
and
we
don't,
then
there
there's
a
cup
there's
two
options.
N
One
is
if,
if,
if,
if
it's
such
that
the
community
very
much
desires
e-bikes
throughout
it
all,
is
this
body
could
recommend
that
we
transfer
the
management
of
those
small
segments
to
it
to
the
entity
that
more
makes
sense
in
order
for
e-bikes
to
be
allowed
on
open
space
or
the
existing
situation
just
continues,
in
which
we
have
these
inconsistent
segments
of
a
trail
in
which
you
would
go
from
you
can
be
on
your
e-bike.
It
can't
be
on
your
e-bike.
N
You
can
be
on
your
e-bike,
you
can't
so
existing
the
current
status
quo
is
certainly
something
that
the
board
may
end
up
recommending
as
as
how
they
want
to
go
forward.
That
doesn't
mean
that
we
have
to
now
necessarily
dispose
of
these
segments.
N
Then
the
question
would
be:
is:
are
we
okay
with
the
community
confusion
and
are
we
okay
with
probably
being
unable
to
enforce
the
e-bike
ordinance
anyway
on
some
of
these
segments,
but
the
only
other
permanent
way
to
deal
with
it
would
be
is
if,
if
e-bikes
would
be
preferable,
especially
for
a
regional
trail
that
goes
from
point.
A
to
point
b
with
multiple
jurisdictions
disposal
is
is
what
is,
is
the
would
be
the
only
other
viable
tool,
but
it's
not
required.
A
And
to
follow
up
on
your
comment
of
status
quo
being
an
alternative
marnie.
Can
you
tell
us
why
status
quo
is
not
listed
on
the
website
as
an
alternative
and
why
it's
not
spelled
out
as
an
alternative,
because
when
I
read
the
website,
it
was
clear
to
me
that
there
are
three
alternatives
period
and
now
dan's
saying
status
quo
as
an
alternative.
Q
Well,
you
know
status
quo,
I
think,
is
always
an
alternative,
but
really
the
purpose
of
this
was
to
identify
and
consider
whether
or
not
there
is
a
an
alternative
to
disposal,
given
the
history
that
we've
had.
So
when
you
look
at
the
evaluation
matrix
which
is
available
on
the
project
website,
it
includes
the
status
quo
and
existing
condition
and
rates
that
relative
to
the
alternatives.
Q
The
other
thing
to
share
is
that
the
questionnaire
that
is
available
to
gather
input
provides
the
opportunity
for
the
community
for
community
member
to
indicate
that
they
don't
support
e-bike,
use
on
trails
and
explain
why.
So
we
are
gathering
that
input
and
we'll
be
able
to
report
out
to
report
out
on
what
we're
hearing
from
people
when
we
come
back
in
the
fall.
A
Q
It's
not
identified
as
one
of
the
alternatives
being
considered
at
this
point,
because
it
it
is
it's
the
impetus
for
why
we
are
exploring
this.
You
know
the
direction.
I
think
that
we
have
is
to
take
a
look
at
alternatives
to
disposal
and
those
existing
conditions,
but.
Q
I
think
I've
kind
of
been
clear,
it's
it.
We
are
collecting
information
and
input
that
can
provide
both
the
department
and
the
board
with
an
answer
as
to
where
the
community
is
landing
on
that
we're
collecting
that
information,
and
we
certainly
can
adjust
and
refine
the
preliminary
proposal
based
on
what
we're
hearing.
So
you
know.
G
Let
me
piggyback
on
that
marnie,
because
I'm
not
sure
that
karen's
stating
it
exactly
the
way
that
I
I'm
thinking
in.
I
am
very
discomforted
by
the
survey.
I
think
it's
misleading
and
mis-targeting,
and
if
this
is
an
issue
that
is
extremely
important.
It
sets
aside
precedent,
and
your
notion
of
history
is
of
the
issue
is
wrong.
G
This
sets
aside
over
50
years
of
precedent
of
non-motorized
use
on
open
space,
and
it
is
an
extremely
important
issue
and
I
think
the
questionnaire
does
it
a
disservice
by
not
doing
exactly
what
karen's
suggesting
and
that
is
giving
the
whole
spectrum
of
options
equal
consideration.
It's
not
something
that,
oh,
you
can
write
on.
You
know
in
the
you
know,
follow-up
or
whatever.
The
fact
of
the
matter
is.
G
We
want
to
know
if
the
community
supports
e-bikes
on
open
space
or
not,
and
if,
in
fact,
they
support
the
community
supports
e-bikes
on
open
space,
then,
okay,
where
does
that
support
focused?
And
this
I?
I
can't
express
how
dissatisfied
I
am
with
that
survey.
I
think
we
should
withdraw
it
and
completely
redo
it,
because
it's
not
getting
us
us
the
board
and
the
community.
The
information
that
we
need
upon
which
to
make
a
good
decision.
E
Hey
dave,
I
want
to
ask
you
about
that,
because
I'm
in
the
survey
now
and
the
question
one
and
under
section
one
number
one
you
can
answer
strongly
oppose
and
then
the
next
questions
says
number
two.
I
do
not
support
e-bikes
on
open
space
trails.
Q
Dave
and
karen,
I
I
respect
your
your
opinion.
A
lot
of
work
went
into
the
development
of
the
alternatives
and
the
questionnaire,
and
in
the
three
days
that
two
and
a
half
days
three
days
that
that
it
has
been
available
for
public
input,
we're
getting
a
tremendous
response.
Q
We
have
almost
600
submissions
and
we
are
hearing
from
the
public.
So
I
guess
part
of
my
request
is
to
honor
the
process
and
allow
staff
to
hear
from
the
community.
We've
got
three
more
weeks
to
to
hear
from
the
community
of
all
of
those
people.
I've
had
two
people
contact
me
asking
for
support
to
help
them
with
completing
the
completing
the
questionnaire,
but
with
all
over
600
people
and
many
more
people
becoming
engaged
with
several
weeks
left.
Q
To
do
that,
I
think
that
it
would
be
important
to
continue
to
allow
the
survey
and
the
questionnaire
and
the
public
to
provide
their
feedback
michelle,
as
she
had
mentioned.
She's
talked
about
the
couple
of
questions
for
those
for
any
of
the
alternatives.
If
you
support
the
the
preliminary
proposal
or
another
alternative
or
you
don't
support,
e-bike
use
on
trails.
Q
The
next
question
asks
please
tell
us
why,
and
in
particular
we're
interested
in
understanding
the
top
three
reasons,
so
we
can
get
a
better
understanding
of
of
what
is
compelling
to
our
community
and
what
resonates
with
them.
Q
B
V
Is
you
know
it
is
in
the
background,
if
we
hear
overwhelmingly
from
the
community
or
that
there
is,
there
is
not
support
for
e-bikes
on
open
space.
We
will
take
that
information
and
we
will.
We
will
highlight
that
we
will
bring
that
forward.
We
can
bring
that
more
to
the
forefront
of
the
conversation.
V
I
think
what
marnie
was
trying
to
articulate,
and
maybe
I
just
say
the
same
thing.
You
know
similar
thing
in
different
words.
Is
you
know
the
purpose
of
this
was
to
ask
if
we
were
to
allow
e-bikes
what
makes
sense
from
the
community
what
what?
What
does
human
memories?
What
trails
are
important
to
the
community,
and
so
that's
why
we
identified
you
know
the
three
alternatives,
but
it
is
not
a
a
done
decision
dave
or
a
done
deal
we're
really
interested
in
hearing.
That's.
V
Why
the
second
question
on
the
as
marny
and
michelle
pointed
out-
it's
you
know:
do
you
support
one
of
the
alternatives?
If
not,
please
tell
us
why
it's
right
up
front,
so
we
will
get
that
information
and
we
will
be
able
to
to
highlight
that
for
for
the
board
and
take
that
under
consideration.
V
When
we
bring
back
things
to
you
in
the
fall.
G
A
A
Q
But,
prior
to
that
higher
up
on
the
page,
we
we
describe
the
status
quo
and
the
existing
conditions
as
well,
and
when
you
open
up
the
evaluation,
you
can
see
the
rating
of
that
relative
to
the
others.
Q
I
I
think
we
do
hear
what
you're
saying
and
we're
hearing
your
input.
I
think
that
it
would
be
important
for
to
allow
staff
to
take
that
under
consideration.
Q
I
think
it
would
also
be
important
to
given
the
time-
and
I
think,
some
of
the
interests
that
you
have
to
see
if
we
can
shift
to
other
other
questions
or
other
information
that
you
want
to
hear
from
us
tonight.
I
think
we
understand
where
you're,
at
with
respect
to
how
we've
begun
this
process.
G
Let
me
be
clear:
marnie
I
and
I
appreciate
their
responses,
both
yours
and
in
cases,
but
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
the
historical
perspective
that
you
laid
out
is
wrong
and
the
the
other
fact
is
is
that
these
e-bikes
are
motorized
conveyances
and
I
don't
care
what
the
state
legislature
says
that
you
know
they
can
say
anything
they
want
about
whether
it's
a
motor
or
not.
But
it's
just
like
the
proverbial
duck
when
it
walks
like
a
duck
and
acts
like
a
duck
and
quacks
like
a
duck
must
be
a
duck.
G
And
for
me
that's
what
that's
what
the
issue
is
and
where
I'm
coming
from
and
the
process.
I
think
that
we
would
be
much
better
served
by
saying
look,
you
know
we're
still.
We
as
the
open
space,
mount
parks,
department
or
the
board
are
still
saying
that
non-motorized
vehicles
are
not
appropriate
on
open
spaces,
precedent
and
official
policy
in
that
regard,
but
you
know
in
certain
cases
or
a
case
by
case
or
a
site
by
site.
G
You
know
we
might
make
exceptions
to
that
policy,
but
for
me
the
alternatives
are
far
too
blanket.
You
know
54
miles
of
trail
or
35
miles
of
trail
or
25
miles
of
trail
that
discards
over
50
years
of
precedent
that
this
department
has
has
been
under,
and
you
know
it's
not
a
cavalier.
You
know
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
and
we're
just.
We
think
this
is
the
way
we
should
go
to
and
do
it.
E
Yeah
I
can
see
that
you're
very
passionate
about
this.
It's
important
very,
very
passionate.
It's
important.
It
is
important,
I
agree,
and
I
I
know
you're
and
and
we're
going
to
get
a
chance
to
talk
about
the
substance.
I
think
of
of
this.
E
The
the
talking
about
the
50
years
of
of
of
precedent,
I
think,
is
you
know
a
little,
also
misleading,
given
that
technology
has
changed
the
needs
of
change
and
yeah,
the
laws
have
changed,
and
so
you
know
to
to
be
referencing
something
from
50
years
ago
and
saying
nope
we're
absolutely
not
going
to
even
consider
it
or
we're
absolutely
not
going
to
get
community
input
on
it.
I
don't
think
that's
fair
to
the
broader
community.
E
G
E
I
I
I
bet
you
there
that
everybody's
gonna
be
very
careful
about
this
one.
You
know
ebikes
I'll,
tell
you
dave,
even
amongst
the
biking.
Community
are
super
controversial,
there's
a
whole
lot
of
flinging
going
on
when
it
comes
to
e-bikes
with
in
mountain
biking
communities.
So
I
think
there's
going
to
be
yeah.
It's
going
to
be.
I
I'm
personally
interested
in
hearing
it
looks
like
wendy's
swede
is
trying
to
get
in
speaking
of
mountain
bikers.
Can
we.
B
E
A
M
And
I'm
sorry
really
quick.
I
I
just
have
to
ask
this.
So
is
the
reason
that,
even
though
we
don't
want
this
and
avoiding
yes
in
2016,
a
disposal
would
be
triggered.
Is
it
because
of
the
definition
of
passive
recreation?
M
V
Apparently,
e-bikes
are
not
allowed
on
open
space.
I'm
already
you
might
want
to
there's.
Q
Actually,
an
ordinance
in
place
the
ordinance
states
that
so
the
process.
Let
me
flip
it
around
and
say
the
process
if
we
were
to
consider
and
allow
e-bikes
on
open
space
trails,
I'm
coming
to
you
in
the
fall
and
what
would
really
be
considered
by
the
council
would
be
an
amendment
to
an
existing
local
ordinance.
That
says
that
e-bikes
are
not
allowed
on
open
space
trails
and
unless
we
dispose
of
that
trail
to
another
department
to
manage
it.
Q
What
what
might
be
helpful
to
the
board
could
be
listening
to
that
2016
conversation
when
e-bikes
were
when
came,
you
know,
came
on
scene
in
2014,
it
became
very
clear
that
there
were
these
little
segments
throughout
the
greenway
network,
that
traversed
over
open
space
lands
and
a
number
of
those
tiny
segments
between
departments
and
through
city
council.
I
believe,
said:
let's,
let's
transfer
those
over
to
transportation
and
then
we
went.
Q
Then
another
disposal
came
forward
in
2016
and
concerns
were
raised,
and
you
know
I
I
think
one
of
the
things
piggybacking
on
what
dave
said
is
open
space
and
the
purposes
for
how
it
was
purchased
does
play
into
the
conversation
and
really
is
one
of
the
reasons
why
there's
concern
about
disposing
of
it,
disposing
of
it
transferring
it
to
another
city
department.
Q
It's
all
city
lands,
but
open
space
and
mountain
parks
would
no
longer
have
any
authority
to
manage,
maintain
or
or
talk
about
what
that
trail
and
and
that
land
that
it
went
through
if
we
were
to
dispose
of
it
to
another
department.
M
Q
And
and
that's
part
of
the
evolution
I
think
is
that
with
the
shift
of
morph
people-
and
you
know
part
of
our
visitation
surveys,
I
think
you
got.
I
don't
know
if
you're
not
sure
who
was
here
back
in
march
when
we
heard
some
information
on
our
visitation
surveys,
but
our
our
visitors
to
open
space
are
the
population
is
aging
and
we're
seeing
the
average
age
increase
and
we
are
hearing
from
people
that
they'd
like
us
to
take
this
issue
on.
Q
So
you
know,
I
want
to
just
come
full
circle
of
really.
The
purpose
tonight
is
to
talk
about
the
the
process
that
we're
going
through
share
that
we
are
gathering
input
and
we
are
getting
a
good
response
and
not
everybody
is
people
are
finding
the
input
that
they
would
like
to
share.
Q
We
are
hearing
from
some
folks
that
are
saying
that
they
don't
support
the
staff
recommendation,
that
they
support
one
of
the
other
alternatives
or
maybe
that
they
don't
support
e-bike
use,
so
the
survey
tool
is
working,
people
are
are
providing
the
input
and
offering
staff
the
opportunity
to
come
back
with
that
information
in
the
fall
you'll
be
able
to
to
see
what
we're
hearing
from
people.
W
Thanks
marny
and
I'm
just
going
to
jump
in
here
karen,
I
think
I
mean
we
have
some
other
items
tonight.
I
think
we've
got
good
feedback
from
the
board
on
the
approach
that's
being
used
here,
and
we
can
also
all
weigh
whatever
input
we
get
from
the
community
when
we
really
discuss
this
later
in
the
year.
W
Well,
I
mean
we
pretty
much
heard
heard
a
range
of
a
range
of
input
on
on
what
what
folks
feel
about
the
survey
tool
and
and
the
approach
here
unless
there's
other
other
specific
things
about
the
information
that
marnie
presented,
I'm
suggesting
we
might
want
to
move
on
to
the
rest
of
our
agenda
items.
C
I
I
actually
did
have
a
couple
questions
if
we
have
time.
Thank
you
for
the
presentation,
marnie.
That
was
really
great.
I
actually
took
the
the
survey
yesterday
morning
as
someone
who
commutes
daily
on
my
e-bike
to
work.
You
know
I'm
really
excited
to
see
more
trails
opened
up
to
ebikes
and
see
us
considering
this.
The
question
I
did
have
is
option
a
and
b
looked
kind
of
similar
in
the
presentation.
C
I
was
curious
kind
of
what
the
main
differences
were
between
a
and
b
and
why
why
b
was
the
preferred
option
over
a
given
that
they're
very
similar?
I
didn't
quite
catch
exactly
what
the
differences
were.
Q
Q
V
Marty,
if
that's
helpful,
we
did
realize
that
the
evaluation
came
out
similarly
as
far
as
the
criteria
and
whether
it
met
it
most
or
the
least,
but
we
also
felt
like
we
were
going
from
a
none
to
all
and
a
middle
approach
with
the
community
and
not
going
to
all
the
trails
seemed
like,
maybe
a
a
better
starting
point
for
a
community
conversation
as
far
as
a
preliminary
proposal,
while
each
of
them,
if
you
like,
add
up
the
you
know
the
the
advantages
might
be
similar,
but
there
are
the
advantages
for
which
each
speak
to
are
slightly
different
between
between
a.
C
Q
Yeah
and
and
the
way
we
the
way
we
provided
links
on
the
web
page
were
for
each
of
these
to
open
in
their
own
windows.
So
you
can,
as
a
community
member
flip,
back
and
forth
between
the
three
or
more
slides
and
hopefully
that's
helpful.
A
Q
A
Q
The
first
question
asks,
if
asks
a
respondent
if
they
support
the
staff
recommendation
of
alternative
b,
the
choices
to
respond
to
that
would
be
that
they
support
it
or
they
don't
support
it
based
on
and
the
way
the
survey
or
the
questionnaire
is
structured.
Is
that,
based
on
the
response,
there
populates
a
question
which
then
says?
Q
Oh,
if
you
don't
support
the
staff
recommendation,
do
you
support
another
alternative
and
or
not
or
not,
and
so
the
the
next
question,
if
you
were
to
say
I
don't
support
the
staff
or
or
the
preliminary
proposal
you
the
risk.
The
options
are,
I
support
alternative
a
I
support
alternative
c
or
I
don't
support
e-bikes
on
open
space
trails,
which
then
generates
the
next
question
of.
Why
and
we
you
know,
identified
several.
Q
Several
categories
that
we
think
that
you
know
we
think
would
be
responses
that
people
might
explain
why.
But
each
of
those
questions
also
has
the
opportunity
to
select
other,
which
is
a
which
is
an
open-ended
comment
box
to
provide
and
explain
their
their
own
comments
as
to
why
they
chose
the
level
of
support
or
opposition
that
they
did.
Q
And
then
the
next
question
provides
an
another
opportunity
to
say:
is
there
anything
else
that
you'd
like
to
tell
us
about
e-bikes
and
then
we
kind
of
we?
We
have
a
series
of
questions,
there's
four
sections
in
the
survey
series
of
questions
that
that
are
very
similar
to
what's
being
asked
in
the
intercept
surveys
which
the
intercept
survey
that
our
human
dimensions
team
is
doing
is
representative.
Q
You
know
very
similar
of
all
of
our
visitation
surveys,
representative
of
our
community,
and
to
gauge
the
the
similarities
or
differences
of
how
what
we're
hearing
from
people
who
are
engaged
in
this
particular
process
versus
just
out
on
our
trail
system
as
a
user
or
as
a
visitor
recreating
on
our
lands.
A
A
Go
on
your
screen
to
section
1
question
a
the
question
asks:
do
you
support
the
preliminary
on
my
screen?
Please
indicate
your
level
of
support
for
the
preliminary
staff
proposal
of
alternative
b,
and
that's
the
only
question
that
I
see
on
my
screen
when
I
look
at
the
survey
about
any
of
the
alternatives,
and
I
think
what
you're
saying-
and
what
I
want
to
know
is.
A
C
A
Q
A
A
Q
Q
A
Like
to
hear
from
the
rest
of
the
board
members
about
the
webpage
itself
and
the
alternatives,
the
three
alternatives
versus
four
alternatives
could.
Could
I
please
hear
from
the
other
board
members
about
whether
anybody
else
is
concerned
about
only
alternative,
a
b
and
c
being
options
on
the
website.
A
M
I
was
a
bit
confused
when
I
read
the
packet,
which
was
why
I
had
the
procedural,
procedural
and
clarifying
questions
because
to
me
those
were
the
three.
So
I
didn't.
I
didn't
understand
that
from
from
my
point
of
view,
but
I
know
the
public
probably
isn't
thinking
as
much
about
like
a
disposal
as
I
am.
E
H
E
M
Well,
my
question
I
think
was
at
that
point:
if
disposal
is
not
desirable
and
let's
just
say,
the
status
quo
of
the
board
is
not
in
favor.
I
was
reading,
something
like
within
the
department.
Do
other
things
to
try
and
move
around
a
disposal
like
the
inter
governmental
transfers
and,
and
that
was
going
to
be.
Q
Yeah,
I
mean
council
has
counsel,
is
the
deciding
factor,
and
you
know
the
board
is
here
to
speak
on
matters
relative
to
open
space.
So
they
certainly
take
your
your
recommendation
and
consider
that
as
well.
G
Yeah
and
john,
I
guess
I
I
don't
want
to
belabor
this
point
unduly,
but
for
me
this
questionnaire
prejudices
the
responses
and
basically
the
key
the
key
thing.
For
me,
there
are
two
key
things
one
is:
there
are
only
three
alternatives
which
suggests
that
you
know
e-bikes
are,
are
you
know
going
to
be
there
in
some
fashion
and
then
later
in
the
survey
it
says
you
do
you
support
the
staff
recommendation,
which
you
know
is,
is
a
definitely
a
prejudicial
question,
because
the
fact
of
the
matter
is.
G
Is
that
what
you
want
to
know
is
you
know?
Where
does
the
community
fall
as
far
as
the
the
proposed
actions
and
the
staff
recommendation
shouldn't
be
the
guiding
force
of
that
response?
Initially.
W
I
I
I
get
you
dave
and,
and
we
can,
we
can
look
at
that.
We
can
have
the
human
dimension
staff
look
at
the
survey
and
make
sure
that
it's
it's
neutral
and
and
have
a
conversation
about
that.
So
appreciate
the
feedback.
A
P
G
V
M
V
Might
help
carolina's
in
in
2014?
We
did
touch
on
this
briefly.
You
know
the
the
conversation
you
know.
E-Bikes
were
an
emerging
technology
in
2014
and
they
were
not
really
capable
of
going
on
soft
surface
trails.
They
were
really
a
hard
surface.
It
was.
It
was
just
looking
at
transportation,
paved
trails,
and
so
it
was
looking
at
a
much
smaller
network
of
trails
that
we
were
looking
at.
I
think,
as
marnie
was
saying
you
know,
technology
has
shifted,
community
interest
has
shifted
and
the
conversation
has
expanded.
V
So
I
know
that
that
probably
you
know
there's
not
there's
a
lot
of
details
missed
out
there,
but
generally
you
know
we
were
looking
at
a
much
smaller
geographical
area
and
a
much
narrower
focus
based
on
community
interests
and
technology.
W
So
is
there
any
more
feedback
on
this
for
for
the
staff
tonight.
C
Thank
you
for
pulling
this
together,
both
the
survey,
the
presentation-
they
were
great,
I've
heard
from
a
lot
of
community
members
that
are
incredibly
excited
about
this
and
seeing
it
move
forward.
So
thank
you.
W
Yes,
so
karen
dan
had
to
leave
on
a
family
emergency,
so
I'll
I'll
check
in
for
him.
W
We
and
I
will
pass
on
verbal
updates
because
I
don't
know
what,
if
what
he
had
planned
for
that,
so
we
could
move
now
to
matters
from
the
board
if,
if
the
board
would
like
to
do
that.
A
Okay,
we
have
a
retreat
coming
up.
This
fall
and
last
year,
dave
and
caroline
chaired
a
committee
that
worked
on
preparing
the
agenda
for
that
retreat
and
did
a
great
job
allocated
out
different
segments
of
the
agenda
to
various
board
members
and
all
and
I'd
like
to
designate
a
different
duo
to
help
build
the
the
agenda
for
the
fall
retreat
this
year.
A
And
if
there
are
no
objections.
I'd
like
to
designate
a
team
of
michelle
and
dave
to
prepare
the
agenda
for
the
2022
osb
t
retreat.
H
G
I
A
If,
if
all
board,
members
will
think
about
the
things
that
we
should
be
discussing
and
deliberating
about
at
our
retreat
meeting
in
the
fall,
please
think
about
them.
If
you
want
to
send
an
email
to
dan
and
me,
we
will
distribute
the
ideas
on
to
the
committee
of
michelle
and
dave
and
we'll
discuss
that
all
at
our
next
board
meeting.
A
And
dan-
and
I
discussed
after
both
of
us,
thoroughly
digested
the
ramp
item
b,
underwritten
information
and
we're
going
to
be
having
a
presentation
by
the
community
vitality
staff
on
ramp
in
the
fall,
and
so
what
I'd
like
to
do
to
expedite
your
feedback
based
on
this
information
item
b,
is
to
have
you
send
your
questions
regarding
ramp
to
dan
and
me
in
an
email,
and
we
will
forward
those
to
community
vitality
so
that
they
will
be
addressed
in
our
fall
presentation
about
rant.
A
So
that's
a
homework
assignment
for
everybody,
and
then
we
have
written
information
under
a
which
is
the
jefferson
county
front
range
trail
feasibility
study
and
I'm
sure
there
are
questions
that
various
board
members
have.
So
I'd
like
to
open
up
the
floor
to
questions
about
jefferson,
county
colorado,
front
range,
trail,
feasibility
study,
greenways,
trail
improvements.
G
Karen,
I
don't
want
to
miss
the
opportunity
to
come
back
around
the
e-bikes
after
we
left
it
so
recently,
but
but
I
do
have
a
question
and
and
and
let's
see
I
guess-
casey,
it's
probably
for
you
in
my
reading
of
the
written
material,
it
looks
to
me
like
there's
the
intent
to
move
ahead
on
improving
so-called
quote
improving
colton
trail
and
further
trail
maintenance,
etc,
etc.
G
This
fall
and
as
I'm
recalling
it,
it
was
noted
in
october
or
november
that
those
activities
were
anticipated
to
perhaps
begin,
and
so
my
question
is
given
our
recent
conversation
on
ebikes
and
the
process.
How
does
that
schedule
fit
with
what
we
were
told
is
the
process
and
schedule
for
in
decision
and
e-bikes.
V
Sure
you
know
I
might
have
to
punt
a
little
bit
to
marny.
She
has
been
our
staff
lead
on
the
colton
trail
improvements
because
she
did
come
over
from
boulder
county
parks
and
open
space,
but
and
mirrored
that
project.
But
my
my
understanding,
that
is,
that
the
designed
use
is
bicycles
and
e-bikes,
wouldn't
change.
You
know
kind
of
like
the
design
the
designed
use
for
that.
But
but
marnie
are
there
any
more
details
about
how
this
schedules
are
lining
up,
because
I
know
you
are
kind
of
monitoring
both
of
those
schedules
and
projects.
Q
Yeah
and
actually
jeff
haley
is
also
involved
in
those
colton
trail
improvements
and
his
team,
and
he
just
said
that's
correct
what
you've
described
so
some
improvements
to
the
colton
trail,
which
is
co,
there's
joint
ownership
interest
with
the
city
and
the
county
of
parks
and
open
space
is
scheduled
to
begin.
Q
This
fall
there's
some
other
improvements
that
might
be
made
in
the
future,
but
really
it's
more
about
a
maintenance
issue,
because
colton
used
to
be
a
former
road
that
20
years
ago
was
turned
into
a
trail,
and
it's
in
disrepair
has
some
drainage
issues.
Q
So
it's
it's
making
it
more
palatable
for
the
intended
use
of
of
trails
and
also
to
better
accommodate
the
regional
trail
of
designating
colton
trail
as
part
of
the
rocky
mountain
greenway
and
potentially
the
colorado
front
range
trail
coming
in
through
that
underpass
having
as
described
in
the
memo
being
co-located
with
the
rocky
mountain
greenway
jeff.
Did
you
have
anything
to
add.
S
No,
that's
all
correct
marnie.
I
did
want
to
just
say
one
of
the
other
opportunities
with
this
is
we
are
looking
at
a
grant
from
the
county
or
county,
and
the
city
are
looking
at
partnering
with
a
grant
from
an
outside
agency
as
well.
So
that's
kind
of
what's
driving
that
schedule
a
bit
too,
is
being
opportunistic
with
that
grant
funding
just
to
simply
take
care
of
some
of
those
maintenance
issues
like
marty
mentioned,
but
the
managed
designed
use
for
that
path
already
is
is
for
biking
so
that
wouldn't
change
in
any
regards.
G
M
Before
I
forget,
someone
suggested
the
2016
link.
Could
the
board
members
get
sent
that
link
from
that
meeting.
A
Q
Yeah,
I
think,
and
and
the
the
and
I'm
sorry
that
the
legend
doesn't
describe,
that
the
dotted,
I
think
is
conceptual
or
it
is
well,
it's
not
built.
Yet
the
description.
A
Says
highly
generalized
potential
connection
right,
but
yeah.
My
other
question
is
the
heading
for
this.
Q
The
feedback
and
so
they're
actually
separate,
so
I
don't
think
a
decision
has
been
made
in
terms
of
colorado,
front
range
trail
and
the
alignment
once
it
comes
into
boulder
county.
That
process
has
not
happened.
The
county
parks
and
open
space
has
designated
the
rocky
mountain
greenway
from
coming.
You
know,
coming
through
the
underpass.
A
Q
I
think
it's
around
table
mountain
really
where
they
they're.
You
know
where
the
the
feasibility
study
is
looking
at
those
alternatives.
A
Q
Q
Well,
the
colorado
front
range
trail
is
really
in
jefferson,
county,
the
feasibility
study
and
the
work
related
to
it
and
that,
with
respect
to
extending
into
boulder
county,
I
mean
into
boulder
county
and
into
boulder
casey.
Maybe
you
can
address
that.
V
Sure
we
we
had
talked
with
on
jeff,
and
we
said
we
would
like
to
wait
a
little
bit
before
we
have
any
discussions
about
how
we
locate
those
two
or
discuss
those.
Some
of
the
other
things
we
were
wanting
to
want
to
be
completed
was
the
bikeway
from
boulder
to
lions,
because,
as
you
know,
boulder
county
is
doing
that
feasibility
study
along
along
that
segment
on
this
upcoming
year.
V
So
we
wanted
to
wait
until
those
those
studies
were
complete
until
we
had
a
bigger
picture
and
then
we
would
coordinate
with
boulder
county
to
put
that
on
a
work
on
a
work
plan
in
a
future
year.
So
there's
it's
not
it's
not
coming
up
this
year.
We
wanted
to
wait
until
a
couple.
Other
projects
played
out.
A
V
I
think
it's
still
an
option.
As
we
said,
we
might
want
to
see
what
happened
with
the
feasibility
study
with
lions
to
see
if
that
was
another
alternative
that
be,
that
could
be
considered
alongside
the
longmont
alternate,
which
was
identified
by
the
state.
So
we
wanted
to
have
a
bigger
picture
of
alternatives
for
us
to
consider.
A
Okay,
I'm
sure
you've
all
received
and
read
the
email
about
reminding
you
to
submit
your
volunteer
hours
for
second
quarter.
E
Yes,
thank
you.
I
I
wanted
to
express
just
my
lack
of
a
of
awareness
of
the
practice
of
inviting
people
to
come
present
under
matters
from
the
board,
and
I
I
see
that
there
was
the
one
that
we
had
today
and
one
of
the
same
sort
of
flavor
for
the
august
meeting,
and
I'm
I'm
sorry
karen,
but
you
and
I
misty.
You
know
we
missed
each
other
in
our
email
exchanges,
but
we
also
had
some
sound
issues
in
the
beginning.
E
So
I
didn't
get
to
hear
everything
that
you
said
have
a
second
screen
plugged
in
and
the
sound
was
coming
from
that,
but
I
I
think,
you're
trying
to
set
the
stage
for
you
know
why
you
brought
this
this
particular
item
up
and
so
and
then
you
also,
I
think
you
mentioned
that
something
about
the
board
procedures
document.
E
So
I
I
was
looking
at
that
as
well,
and-
and
you
know,
I
guess
from
my
experience
of
being
on
on
city
boards-
is
that
the
section
of
matters
of
the
boar
of
the
board
from
the
board
are
are
typically
opportunities
to
do
board
business
rather
than
to
take
up
substantial
substantiation
of
issues,
and
I
am
not
aware
of
any
discussion
that
took
place
about
taking
on
this
particular
issue
as
a
board.
E
So
you
know
it
kind
of
gleaned
from
the
the
the
email
that
it
was
really
a
matter
from
the
chair
that
basically
dan's
email
that
that
it
was
coming
from
you,
karen
you
know,
and-
and
my
thought
around.
This
is
that
if
we
we
do
want
to
take
up
different
topics
as
a
board.
E
That
should
be
possibly
something
that
we
we
come
up
with
a
list
in
the
retreat
in
our
board,
retreat
and
find
a
way
for
staff
to
integrate
them
into
their
work
plan
and
into
a
schedule
in
a
way
that
we
can
invite
people
who
are
going
to
provide
us
some
expertise
in
a
way
that
is
really
giving
air
time
to
to.
To.
E
But,
but
I
do
think
that
it
would
be
good
to
have
staff
do
some
of
the
vetting
if
we
are
going
to
ask
for
outside
presenters
and
speakers,
so
we
can
get
balanced
views.
You
know
totally
respectful
of
our
speaker
today.
I
just
I
I
wondered
about
you,
know
the,
and
I'm
glad
that
that
we
that
I
listened
to
that.
But
you
know
I
wonder
you
know
the
the
relevance
considering
you
know
the
the
the
land
that
they're
talk
talking
about
is
really.
E
You
know
on
leash
all
the
time
and
what
we're
talking
about,
and
we
that
I
heard
you
say
karen-
is
that
you
you
wanted
to
talk
about
compliance
with
seasonal
leashing,
and
so
I
I
feel
like
those
are
different
things
also
given
that
they're
working
in
a
wilderness
area
versus
an
urban
adjacent
area
like
that,
we're
that
we
we
are
in
today
and
understanding
that
that
you
have
projected
this
to
also
a
similar
presentation
to
happen
next
next
month.
I
wanted
to
bring
that
up,
but
also
karen,
if
you
want
to.
E
I
know
we
missed
each
other
in
the
email
exchanges
from
when
I
initially
contacted
you,
so
I'm
also
happy
to
take
this
offline
with
you.
M
Okay,
but
is
it
a
matter
of
process,
because
if
if
the
procedural
rules
are
the
chair
and
the
director
set
the
agenda-
and
that
is
true
to
be,
then
any
request
made
to
the
chair
is
you
know
I'm
sure
reasonable?
But
but
at
that
point
does
the
chair
get
to
say
myself
and
the
director
are
making
the
agenda
and
and
that's
that
or.
E
I
don't
read
the
rules
to
be
that
way,
or
I
mean
certainly
not
the
practice.
I
went
back
to
go
look
at
the
agendas
for
the
past
several
years
and
I
don't
really
see
this
practice.
The
chairs.
You
know,
of
course,
here
to
help
the
department
director
set
the
agenda,
and
you
know
what,
in
accordance
to
what's
in
our
work
plan
and
what
the
department
is
trying
to
accomplish
in
the
next.
E
Whatever
period
of
time,
yeah
john,
I
see
you
nodding
but
correct
me
if
I'm
getting
any
of
this
wrong,
but
rather
rather
than
then
to
assert
a
a
particular
course
of
business,
particularly
around
a
a
policy
change
that
seems
to
indicate
a
policy
change.
A
And
so
it's
a
continuation
of
that
discussion,
which
was
agreed
to
by
the
board
a
year
ago.
E
Yeah,
we
definitely
discussed
adaptive
management
and
the
examples
of
adaptive
management.
I
think
we
saw
a
really
good
example
of
it
tonight
with
the
golden
eagle
closures
and
and
the
department
did
respond
to
the
you
know,
to
our
requests
and
how
do
they
manage
adaptively,
and
we
saw
a
pretty
good
example
of
that
tonight.
Yep.
A
G
So
karen,
I
think,
listening
to
michelle's
questions
and
comments,
she's
making
some
good
points
for
me.
You
know
it's,
it's
still
kind
of
an
incomplete
story,
and
so
it
it
seems
like
we
need
to
have
you
know,
contextual
sideboards,
so
that
there's
some
way.
You
know,
I
found
the
information
that
mike
browning
conveyed.
G
It's
like
okay,
you
know
here's
kind
of
how
we're
handling
that,
and
so
I
think
the
the
suggestion
that
michelle
made
as
far
as
the
retreat
and
developing
a
list
of
potential
topics
is
a
good
one,
and
then
we
can
integrate
those
into
you
know
board
meetings
over
time
and
but
provide
a
context
for
the
conversation
so
that
it's
just
not
a
presentation,
but
there
is
a
conversation
with
staff
on
okay.
G
You
know
kind
of
what
are
the
next
steps
or
how
are
we
doing
this
or
you
know
what
do
we
want
to
do
or
something
like
that?
I
just
felt
things
were
left
hanging.
You
know
after
mike,
you
know
concluded
and
it
I
think
it'd
be
far
more
effective.
If
you
know
we
were
able
to
have
a
further
conversation
with
staff
on
on
that
topic,.
A
Yes
and
dan
has
told
me
that
that
staff
is
thinking
about
a
what
is,
it
called
starts
with
a
d.
Maybe
it's
an
ambassador
program
and
said
that
that,
by
having
some
examples,
they
might
be
able
to
pick
up
some
tips
about
how
that
new
program
could
be
designed
next
month
is.
Is
our
meeting
before
the
seasonal
leash
system
goes
into
a
pla
into
place?
G
Okay,
well,
one
thing
that
might
be
helpful
in
this
regard
is
perhaps
a
brief
email
or
memo.
You
know
from
you
and
and
dan
to
the
board.
Saying,
okay,
you
know
here's!
Here's!
What
you
know
this
month's
agenda
is
looking
like
and
here's
why
we're
doing
this
and
kind
of
here
are
the
next
steps.
So
the
board
has
some
sense
of
of
context
like
okay,
you
know
we're
going
to
hear
this
and
then
there's
going
to
be
a
conversation,
and
you
know
whatever
it
is.
E
G
E
100,
I
would
love
to
see
a
volunteer
program
stood
up.
That's
I
mean
I
think.
What's
kind
of
lacking
is
the
equivalent
of
an
fcc
partnership
or
you
know,
or
a
bcc
partnership
where
we
and
and
this
or
even
bma,
because
bma
has
biking
stewards
out
there
I
think
are
patrols,
they
have
patrols
bike
patrols,
we
don't
have
the
equivalent.
A
E
M
And
if
there's
anything
that
we
need
to
like
touch
on
again,
if,
if
and
I'm
sure,
all
the
board
members
would
agree
if
there's
something
that
makes
you
feel
uncomfortable
it,
it
needs
to
be
discussed,
but
but
maybe
that's
what
it
is.
That
needs
to
be
discussed
because
our
chair
last
year
at
the
retreat
wanted
to
talk
about
procedure
and
perhaps
changing
something,
and
I
think
that
the
majority
didn't
want
that.
M
So,
if,
if
there's
something
going
on
that,
we
need
to
talk
about,
you
know,
maybe
the
retreat's
a
a
good
idea
for
that
as
well,
because
I
I
like
what
everyone's
saying
about
talking
about
everything.
But
if
there
is
a
disagreement,
we
all
understand
how
the
tiebreaker
is
done.
M
E
C
Yeah
I'll
piggyback
on
going
back
to
the
original
issue,
I
I
was
surprised
to
see
it
come
up
on
the
agenda
as
well.
I
didn't
think
that
having
guest
speakers
in
on
matters
from
the
board
is
a
normal
thing
that
I've
seen
boards
do,
I'm
I'm
fairly
new,
though
so
I
don't
have
the
background
I
mean
I
did
love
the
presentation.
C
What
mike
presented
was
great,
but
I
would
love
to
see
those
sorts
of
presentations
and
informations
come
through
staff
and
the
department
so
that
they
can
make
sure
that
all
perspectives
are
included,
and
you
know
to
what
they've
said
so
that
they
can
give
us
some
context
right.
Like
you
know,
why
is
this
information
important?
How
does
it
tie
into
what
the
department's
already
doing,
I
think
would
make
you
know
these
types
of
presentations
a
lot
more
valuable
if
we
were
to
kind
of
kind
of
get
that
context
around
them.