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A
Number
12
2018,
just
one
quick
note
that
this
is
exactly
five
years
from
the
second
Wednesday
of
2013
when
this
board
was
meeting
in
this
space
and
when
the
rain
was
starting
to
fall,
harder
and
harder.
As
that
meeting
went
on,
we
at
that
time
and
some
of
the
things
staff
employees
wear,
their
phones
were
starting
to
go
off
and
various
alerts
and
alarms
about,
and
for
those
of
you
who
don't
know,
this
building
is
very
close
to
Boulder
Creek,
but
we
into
spirit
of
public
service.
A
We
stayed
here
until
the
bitter
end
and
the
course
of
open
space
for
the
ensuing
five
years
has
been
significantly
influenced
by
the
events
of
that
day
in
the
next
couple
days
of
the
flood,
but
I
think
on
the
whole,
we're
just
about
out
of
it,
and
the
only
staff
deserves
an
enormous
amount
of
thanks
for
the
extraordinary
amount
of
work
over
those
five
years,
and
there
was
also
a
tremendous
amount
of
public
volunteerism
that
went
into
getting
the
system
back
on
its
feet.
So
thank
you
to
all
so.
B
A
C
From
the
department,
great
thanks,
Tom,
we
have
a
few
things
on
the
agenda
and
also
a
couple
of
just
informal
sort
of
announcements
and
updates
that
I'll
make
and
all
I
do
want
to
just
start
off.
By
also
commented
on
the
fifth
year
anniversary
of
the
big
floods,
and
also
want
to
extend
our
sincere
thanks
to
community
members
who
came
out
and
partnered
with
our
staff
out
on
the
lands
and
and
like
Tom.
Like
you
said,
it
wasn't
Dave
one-week
effort.
C
It's
it's
been
going
on
five
years
now
that
we've
been
putting
significant
resources
to
towards
that
recovery,
and
we
also
have
done
some
great
work,
leading
up
to
the
anniversary
in
order
to
help
tell
the
story
of
the
amount
of
great
work
that
that
the
community
came
together
on
and
I
just
want
to
invite
affiliates
up
very
quickly.
Just
to
point
out
where
community
members
could
find
some
of
the
information
that's
put
together
for
that
commemorates
the
anniversary
and
tells
the
story
absolutely.
D
Yeah
I
remember
that
day
five
years
ago,
certainly
was
here
and
certainly
has
affected
a
lot
of
us
deeply
and
the
community
deeply.
So
we
just
wanted
to
recount
all
of
what
has
occurred
and
what
happened
and
if
you
just
go
to
OSP,
org
and
just
scroll
down
a
bit.
That's
gonna.
Take
you
just
a
short
video,
but
you
can
click
on
the
interactive
story
map.
Well,
if
I
make
that
link
a
little
bit
more
obvious,
but
it's
a
pretty
in-depth
and
pretty
extraordinary
map
that
our
GIS
staff
worked
to
create.
D
So
I'll
talk,
walk
you
through
a
lot
of
what
we
did
to
address
the
damage.
If
you
scroll
down
just
a
bit,
I,
don't
need
to
go
through
all
this,
but
I
think
it's.
Can
you
go
down
to
the
power
of
water
just
a
little
bit?
It
really
tells
a
pretty
remarkable
story.
Can
you
click
on
the
Bluebell
drainage
link?
D
And
so,
if
you
have
the
ability
to
scroll
back
and
forth,
you
can
really
see
nature
takes
its
own
course.
Do
you
see
in
the
middle?
Can
you,
in
the
middle
there's
a
little
bar
yeah
there
you
go,
Wow,
didn't
really
see
the
impacts
and
I
think
that
really
tells
a
remarkable
story
of
what
occurred
on
the
land
and
some
of
the
issues
we
had
to
address.
But
then
you
can
keep
going
down
for
a
little
further.
D
You
can
just
scroll
and
we'll
talk
about
some
of
the
maps
that
shows
the
damage
of
what
was
significant
damage,
the
severe
damage-
and
it
just
goes
through
of
map
of
the
volunteer
projects
where
they
occurred,
who
participated.
If
you
keep
going
down
it
talks
about
how
we
work
to
restore
our
natural
areas,
some
of
the
AG
recovery
work
that
we
did
obviously
recovering
from
the
floods,
was
our
top
priority,
but
then
even
more
just
the
project.
So
this
is
actually
kind
of
cool.
D
If
you
maybe
stay
here
for
a
second,
you
can
click
on
some
of
the
spot
locations
and
just
see
where
some
of
the
damage
occurred
and
then
what
was
fixed.
So
you
can
really
have
this
experience
to
see
the
before
and
afters
of
what
occurred
and
just
to
get
back
to
all
your
point
to
it.
We
couldn't
have
done
any
of
this
without
the
support
of
the
boulder
community,
so
we
really
wanted
to
document
that
and
I
just
want
to
say
thanks
to
so
I
was
here
for
all
that.
D
D
E
C
That's
the
ton
September
20th
about
some
various
options
that
they
have
looked
at
at
a
at
a
very
quick.
You
know
quick,
quick
turnaround
time
in
terms
of
how
upstream
detention
can
be
incorporated
into
the
variant
one
and
I
believe
there
will
be
three
options
that
that
will
be
presented
to
the
council.
C
All
three
have
various
pros
and
cons
associated
with
them,
so
I
invite
you
to
you
know,
look
at
the
memo
that
will
be
coming
out
pretty
quickly
on
that
and
and
I'll
provide
another
update
next
month
on
on
some
of
what
came
out
of
that
particular
meeting.
Of
course,
OSP
staff
has
been
keeping
close
tabs
on
this
and
continues
to
monitor
the
situation
very
closely
and
the
other
thing
that
should
be
noted
that,
in
the
passing
of
the
councilman
motion,
many
of
the
OSB
T
recommendations
did
not
get
incorporated
into
that
motion.
C
So,
but
there
is
a
you
know:
sort
of
an
understanding
with
the
utility
staff
that
they
were
closely
with
staff
staff
will
come
back.
Keep
this
body
updated
as
things
move
along
so
September
20th
is
the
next
date
that
councils
going
to
be
getting
some
updates
on
that
project.
Last
night
council
had
a
study
session
on
the
2019
budget,
both
the
operating
and
CIP
budget.
There
really
was
just
one
or
two
high-level
questions
for
OSP,
otherwise
that
most
of
the
quote,
the
majority
of
all
the
questions
were
not
directed
towards
us.
C
So
that's
that
update
and
regard
of
the
prairie-dog
working
group
will
going
to
be
revisiting
some
of
that
tonight.
The
council
was
originally
scheduled
to
receive
the
report
and
comment
on
the
report
on
october,
2nd
that
has
been
pushed
back
and
they
are
now
going
to
be
looking
at
that
item
on
October
16th,
so
bye,
so
I,
probably
well.
I
will
not
have
an
update
for
you
on
what
council's
reaction
to
the
report
was,
but
it
does
give
us
some
time
to
further
incorporate
anything.
C
That's
a
piece
of
undeveloped
property
that
the
city
recently
acquired
and
the
council
is
very
interested
in
in
determining
what
its
future
potential
use
would
be,
and
so
a
number
of
city
departments
are
involved
in
crafting
a
memo
in
order
to
help
guide
discussion
for
that
study.
Session
and
John
Potter
led
a
group
of
our
staff
and
doing
an
evaluation
of
what
are
the
agricultural
ecological
attributes
of
that
property,
and
we
will
be
providing
that
information
as
part
of
that
study
session,
just
just
as
a
sneak
preview.
C
Just
like
the
previous
evaluations,
we've
done
on
the
property
over
the
years,
we
feel
like
both
its
agricultural
and
ecological
elements
are
of
low
priority
and
compared
to
other
priorities
and
other
properties
either
on
our
system
or
that
we've
evaluated
as
a
high
priority
and
over
the
recent
years.
So
I
will
keep
you
up-to-date
on
what
the
next
step
would
be.
B
C
Was
a
study
session
I
believe
in
the
winter
very
similar
to
the
study
session,
it
would
be
held
and
I
believe
that
was
before
the
acquisition
took
place
of
you
know
what
are
the
potential
uses
of
this
other
than
a
full
development
which
was
being
proposed?
What
else
could
be
done
on
this
property?
And
at
that
time
we
put
together
a
report
basically
saying
dude
and
our
internal
staff
analysis?
We
felt
it
had
a
low
for
open
space
charter
purposes.
C
We
did
identify
a
three
acre
site:
that's
on
the
east
side
of
55th
that
actually
has
a
75
foot
common
boundary
with
open
space
and
it's
more
of
a
wetland
area
that
we
felt
that
that's
the
highest
potential
open
space
value
of
the
property
and
so
yeah.
We've
we've
provided
counsel
with
sort
of
our
internal
staff
assessment
before,
but
we
went
out
again
this
fall
and
maybe
put
together
a
little
bit
more
of
a
robust
evaluation,
Thanks
mm-hmm
and
finally,
a
Lippincott.
C
The
Jefferson
County
Board
of
Commissioners
is
due,
which
would
be
the
last
sort
of
decision-making
body
to
look
at
the
lip
and
cut
potential
acquisition
property
and
they
are
set
to
consider
the
acquisition
on
the
18th
of
this
month.
So
if
that
goes
ahead
with
approval,
then
we'll
probably
look
at
that
in
October
closing
date.
So.
F
Well,
it's
been
a
little
bit
since
we've
talked
to
some
members
of
the
board
about
the
the
master
plan.
We
were
fortunate
enough
to
have
the
focus
area,
conversation
and
recommendations
to
to
council,
which
then
left
us
with
the
focus
areas
and
since
then,
we've
been
updating
the
process
committee,
but
we
haven't
had
that
much
time
in
front
of
in
front
of
the
board.
Fortunately,
the
process
committee
updates
each
month
that
the
board
meetings
have
provided
some
information
about
where
we're
going.
F
F
But
this
window
will
start
with
the
development
of
these
strategies
and
we'll
go
into
the
early
part
of
next
year
when
we
refine
those
strategies
and
do
some
prioritization
of
that,
as
we've
been
moving
forward
with
the
plan
again,
our
goal
is
to
take
take
our
focus
areas
and
the
associated
related
topics
for
those
focus
areas
and
transform
the
information.
We've
got
thus
far
into
strategies.
F
We
also
recognize
that
having
conversations
about
outcome
about
specific
strategies
that
how
we're
going
to
go
about
doing
things
was
also
maybe
a
little
bit
premature.
We
involved
the
Junior
Rangers
and
the
Junior
Ranger
naturalist,
in
our
work
with
with
staff
during
our
all
staff
summit
on
strategy
development
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
found
out
from
growing
up
older
folks
who
have
helped
us
work
with
with
youth.
Is
that
sometimes
that's
going
a
little
bit
too
far
into
detail,
and
maybe
even
for
the
broader
community?
F
At
the
same
time,
there
are
some
observations
by
Dan
and
and
others
that
it
might
be
useful
if
we
identify
outcomes
first.
What
is
it
you'd
like
to
see
the
universe?
Look
like
or
open
space
look
like
before
we
go
talking
about
the
particular
actions
that
we'd
go
about
doing
it,
even
though
we've
got
a
lot
of
people
in
Boulder
who
are
really
smart.
F
Some
people
who
work
for
various
federal
agencies
doing
and
management,
or
a
lot
of
people
who
spend
time
on
open
space
thinking
a
lot
about
open
space
and
how
it
could
be
better
or
what
it
is
they
like
about
it.
Most
people
don't
know
a
lot
about
the
practices
of
land
management
and
having
questions
for
them
about
what
is
it
you'd
like
to
experience
on
open
space?
F
We've
also
identified
best
practices
from
other
agencies,
so
that
we
would
have
information
about
other
things
that
we
might
try
that
we're
not
currently
engaged
in
new
approaches,
and-
and
initially
we
had
13
documents
with
this
information
and
they
were
up
to.
They
were
fairly
like
lengthy,
so
we
also
took
the
approach
is
summarizing
it
to
make
it
a
little
bit
more
accessible
and
understandable,
so
to
just
to
jump
back
quickly
to
the
consolidation
of
related
topics.
F
We
originally
had
somewhere
near
13
or
14
related
topics
for
ecological
health
and
resilience,
thanks
to
the
work
largely
of
the
core
team
bee
and
the
leadership
of
Brian
and
Heather
Brian
and
Heather
Swanson.
These
have
been
combined
and
reduced
down
to
these
five
that
you
see
before
you,
and
these
are
going
to
be
the
related
topics
that
form
the
basis
of
the
conversation
for
the
community
workshop
on
October
1st.
F
We'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
on
that
so
I
just
again
to
give
you
an
idea
that
we
were
able
to
collapse,
those
13
are
so
topics
into
these.
Actually
one
ended
up
going
under
financial
sustainability.
One
of
the
related
topics
that
had
to
do
with
ecosystem
services
will
probably
pick
up
that
conversation
a
little
bit
later
down
the
line
you've
seen
this
diagram
before,
but
it
just
wanted
to
again
indicate
that.
Well,
this
is
still
our
intention
and
still
the
outcome
for
this.
F
F
What
are
the
things
that
are
a
little
bit
more
meaningful
or
more
specific,
and
then
these
outcomes
to
just
a
helpful
way
of
eliciting
from
the
public
information
about
what
it
is
they'd
like
to
see
and
for
some
people
that
may
be
as
far
as
they
can
go
and
they
either
trust
us
to
come
up
with
the
appropriate
on-the-ground
actions.
Policies,
plans,
program
projects
to
get
that
stuff
done,
and
we
rely
upon
input
from
others
as
well
to
do
that.
F
So,
in
addition
to
that
kind
of
general
approach
to
moving
forward
just
wanted
to
share
with
you
our
goals
and
our
ideas
about
the
process.
So
again,
our
intention
around
community
engagement
is
for
staff
and
community
members,
or
around
engagement.
I
guess
I
should
say
is
for
staff
in
the
community
to
share
their
ideas
about
the
Related
Topics
share
with
us,
or
what
they
think
would
represent
successful
outcomes
for
open
space
in
mountain
parks
and
help
us
identify
the
strategies
that
over
the
next
decade
will
make
sense
to
implement
to
bring
about
those
outcomes.
F
One
it
also
to
share
with
you
that
we've
and
I
should
say
the
core
team
leads
and
specifically
Brian
and
and
Heather
have
been
extremely
active
in
developing
topic
snapshots.
So
taking
those
25
or
plus
page
background,
errs
that
we
had
on
each
of
the
twelve
thirteen
or
fourteen
related
topics
and
compressing
those
into
two
to
four
or
five
six
page
snapshots
that
provide
context
and
importance
for
the
particular
topic,
our
draft
outcomes,
so
we
kind
of
want
to
seed
the
conversation.
We
got
some
very
strong
recommendations
from
the
process
committee.
F
Don't
hide
the
ball
move
forward.
Tell
them
what's
up,
tell
them
what
your
thoughts
are.
You
are
technical
expertise.
That
of
the
consultants,
is
really
valuable
to
get
the
ball
rolling
talk
about
some
of
the
approaches
that
have
worked
for
you
and
summarize
new
approaches
or
best
practices
from
other
agencies,
and
so
that's
generally,
what
the
topics
snapshots
will
occur
and
we've
got
those
prepared.
F
We
have
those
prepared
for
each
of
the
focus
there
for
each
of
the
related
topics
for
ecological
health
and
resilience
and
we're
developing
them
for
the
other
focus
areas
at
the
workshops
and
then
we'll
also
make
this
information
available
online.
We'll
have
posters
that
summarize
our
existing
strategies
also
present
some
of
the
relevant
data
and
trends
best
practices.
Information
will
have
relevant
plans
and
other
documentation
available
for
the
public,
both
online
and
at
the
workshops.
F
So,
as
people
come
to
the
Related
Topics
stations,
they'll
have
the
opportunity
to
see
this
material
and
to
share
share
their
ideas
about
what
could
be
added.
What
could
be
changed,
other
ideas
that
they
might
have,
and
we
still
do,
have
those
background
errs
and
they
will
be
available.
Should
anybody
want
to
dive
deep
because
there
are
people
in
the
community
who
will
want
to
so.
F
F
Just
to
give
you
a
little
feel
for
what
things
will
look
like,
obviously
we'll
be
in
a
couple
of
different,
we'll
be
in
two
different
venues:
the
Avalon
Ballroom
and
the
bolder
Jewish
Community
Center.
But
generally
we're
going
to
have
a
presentation
after
folks
have
an
opportunity
to
sign
in
and
kind
of
wander
around
or
hopeful
that
we'll
each
each
time
have
either
a
member
of
the
board
from
the
process
committee,
typically
or
Council
there.
F
We'll
see
the
results
presented
on
the
screen
in
front
of
them,
see
where
the
rest
of
the
folks
who
are
attending
the
workshops
stand.
So
it's
an
opportunity
for
people
to
be
interactive.
With
some
of
that
information,
then
they'll
be
the
opportunity
for
folks
to
go
and
explore
the
various
information
stations
which
represent
the
Related
Topics,
to
provide
us
with
their
specific
recommendations
that
we
can't
really
do
through
keypad
polling
about
the
kinds
of
adjustments
or
changes
or
new
outcomes
or
new
related
topics
that
they
think
should
be
explored
that
we
may
not
have
captured.
F
So
that's
the
general
approach
there.
Yes,
they
in
addition,
we'll
have
online
engagement,
so,
starting
about
next
week,
we'll
put
on
on
the
open
space
mountain
parks
webpage
for
the
master
plan,
some
general
input
questions.
These
are
questions
for
people
who
may
attend
none
of
the
workshops
who
may
not
want
to
spend
any
more
time
dealing
with
in-depth
questionnaires.
You
just
want
to
say
hey.
F
This
is
what
I
have
to
say
about
strategy
development
I'm,
going
to
describe
the
idea
of
outcomes
and
approaches
or
strategies
and
then
give
people
a
pretty
much
open-ended
opportunity
to
share
their
thoughts.
We've
done
this
throughout
the
master
planning
process,
and
we've
typically
got
has
some
folks
that
that
was
the
way
that
they
most
like
to
engaged
and
we've
received
some
information.
That's
typically
matched
up
pretty
well
with
what
we've
seen
down
the
line
too.
F
So
it's
a
good
way
for
people
to
feel
included
at
their
level
of
interests
of
matching
a
level
of
interest
with
an
easy
way
to
get
involved.
But
as
we
move
into
the
specific
focus
area,
conversations
that
the
community
workshops
will
be
adding
the
additional
information,
the
links
to
the
workshop
resources,
the
topic
snapshot
posters,
as
well
as
having
some
specific
questions
that
match
those
from
the
keypad
polling
and
also
give
people
the
opportunity
to
provide
the
open-ended
feedback
on
our
outcomes,
related
topics
and
strategies.
F
As
I
mentioned
earlier,
we're
also
going
to
engage
with
certain
members
of
the
community
who
we
don't
typically
do
great
job
with
with
open
houses
or
online
engagements,
so
we'll
be
working
with
the
Promotora
smaadahl,
with
the
Latino
community,
focusing
in
on
a
subset
of
the
related
topics
and
doing
some
of
building
a
focus
group
with
the
community
and
and
reaching
out
and
providing
feedback
that
way.
We're
working
with
growing
up
older
and
the
youth
advisor
youth
opportunities.
Advisory
Board,
to
provide
us
feedback
from
youth
in
the
community.
F
I
think
you've
heard
them
talking
to
speak
before
you.
So
you
know
how
articulate
and
helpful
that
can
be.
I'll
also
be
doing
outreach
to
people
experiencing
disabilities
through
our
general
programming
of
the
department
and
looking
for
other
opportunities
with
other
populations
as
they
arise
to
take
advantage
of
those.
F
So
that's
kind
of
the
flavors
of
engagement,
as
I
mentioned
before
you
know
we're
continuing
this
process
of
community
engagement,
building
technical
content
trying
to
to
weave
this
fabric
together,
so
that
in
the
end,
we've
got
something
that
respects
what
the
community
is
interested
in
and
is
technically
robust
and
technically
informed.
Again,
for
our
current
window
of
engagement
and
for
the
current
phase
of
the
project
is
that
we're
looking
to
come
out
with
a
set
of
draft
strategies
at
the
end
of
this
window.
F
Following
this,
this
part
of
our
engagement
will
be
moving
into
further
refinement
of
these
strategies
and
some
prioritization
and
trade-offs,
according
in
accordance
with
some
of
our
financial
models,
where
a
lot
of
trade
offs
happen
is
looking
at
the
available
resources
to
make
things
happen
on
the
ground,
and
that
will
happen
in
in
early
2019,
just
as
a
little
glimpse
forward
with
with
where
we're
going.
That's
about
all
that
I
had
to
say,
Marc
I
didn't
know
if
there
was
stuff
that
you
wanted
to
add
the.
B
Seem
to
remember
our
process
committee
did
we
talk
about?
Maybe
at
this
meeting
you
guys
are
gonna,
provide
us
an
example
or
two
of
either
the
big
memos
or
the
little
memos
I've
forgiven,
which
it
was
we
at
that
point.
Yet
where
we
just
sort
of
get
a
sense
of
the
amount
of
information
you're
trying
to
shape,
and
we.
F
Distributed
today,
internally,
the
topic
snapshots
of
in
preparation
for
the
all
staff
meeting
to
give
people
a
chance
to
review
that
yeah.
That's
certainly
information
that
we
could
make
make
available
more
publicly
right
now,
I
think
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
use
the
all
staff
meeting
as
an
opportunity
s
pretest.
We
have
test
this
these
materials
and
to
tweet
them
in
response
to
that
before
we
release
them,
but
I
mean
there's
nothing.
We're
just
gonna
make
them.
B
I
Had
a
question,
a
comment
and
a
question
related
to
the
outcomes
I'm
in
full
agreement
that
your
way
person
can
speak
to
outcomes,
but
not
to
strategies
this
strongly
and
so
I
think
that
that's
an
excellent
way
to
get
the
community
participating
in
a
way
that
they're
comfortable.
So
thank
you
for
coming
up
with
that
approach.
Now
you,
you
spoke
Marc
about
how
the
the
process
committee
said.
I
Hey
can
you
come
up
with
some
draft
outcomes,
staff
and
so
I
would
like
to
know
if
you've
been
using
any
other
sources
of
input
at
this
point
in
the
process
with
the
drafting
of
outcomes,
are
you
going
back
to
the
statistically
valid
surveys
wordles
generated
by
the
community?
You
know
the
earlier
engagement
stuff.
Is
that
also
informing
the
development
of
these
draft
outcomes?
I'd.
F
Say
I'd
say
yes
to
all
of
that.
In
addition,
we
do
have
a
number
of
board
and
council
approved
plans
that
describe
outcomes
associated
with
the
various
focus
areas
that
we've
been
working
on.
So
we've
used
a
number
of
different
sources
of
information
to
kind
of
position
ourselves
in
a
kind
of
safe
way.
I'd
say
you
know
with
the
outcomes,
because
these
are
our
attempts
to
seed
the
conversation
and
then,
if
you
know,
I
think
that
there
there
could
be
opportunities
for
a
little
bit
more
probing
or
edgy
things.
F
I
F
G
No
I
agree.
It
is
a
good
question.
Andrea
we've
definitely
made
sure
kind
of
you
know,
typically
in
that
first
focus
area,
we're
looking
for
the
higher
level,
the
values
and
how
that
turned
into
focus
areas.
But
we
did
collect
information
that
dived
deeper,
because
folks
like
to
talk
about
outcomes,
yeah,
definitely
and
then
staff
ik
had
the
plans
and
the
thing
that,
with
the
way
it's
set
up
is
folks
can
like
affirm
and
outcome
excellent.
You
know
that
looks
good.
C
It's
certainly
an
opportunity
to
hear
about
people's
suggestion
for
strategies
to
even
know
we
feel,
like
talking
about
outcomes,
was
a
little
bit
more
accessible
for
those
that
are
prepared
to
talk
about
strategies
this.
This
would
be
the
time
that
we
want
to
hear
from
that
too.
So
it's
not
precluding
that
it's
we're
just
adding
on
the
additional
item
of
thinking
about
outcomes,
understand.
H
E
I
fully
agree
on
your
paring
down
the
Related
Topics
Thanks
4/5
is
about
the
right
number
to
deal
with.
My
question
is
how
you
got
from
umpteen
related
topics
down
to
the
four
or
five?
Was
it
a
matter
of
of
lumping
and
including
all
of
those,
or
did
you
actually
delete
some
and
on
what
basis?
And
can
you
give
us
some
examples
of
how
that
was
done?
You.
J
Evening
a
good
example
of
that,
as
we
have
a
related
topic
for
fire,
the
second
one
for
flood
and
a
third
one
for
drought.
Each
of
those
you
could
talk
for
an
hour
with
somebody
about.
We
thought
that
we
could
combine
and
consolidate
them
all
as
ecological
disturbance,
and
so
that's
what
we
did.
Understanding
that
we're
trading
off
the
ability
to
do
a
deep
power
bond,
all
three
of
those
and
so
when
the
materials
will
present
at
the
workshop.
J
G
It's
is
it
also
fair
to
say:
Brian.
You
left
a
breadcrumb
trail
back
to
the
original
related
topics,
so
anyone
can
track
back
where
they
came
from
yeah.
We
similar
like
missing
AG
in
a
focus
area.
We
brought
you
guys
and
a
bunch
of
folk
brought
that
forward
to
be
a
focus
area,
so
there's
the
option
to
bring
something
if
we
missed
anything.
Yes,
yeah.
E
J
How
much
is
the
clean
air
and
water
filtration
that
you're
getting
worth,
and
so
we
kept
kind
of
landing
on
that
realization
that
it
was
all
about
dollars,
and
so
that
seemed
like
the
connection
there
in
terms
of
putting
it
into
the
economic
piece,
and
then
the
other
was
that
we
just
didn't
have
much
to
bring
to
show,
because
we
hadn't
done
any
of
that
as
a
department
to
date,
and
so
you
know
it's
more
of
a
conversation
like
you
would
do
for
scenario.
Planning
is
what
a
different
futures
look
like.
What?
J
B
G
Said
you
know
it's,
you
know,
courses
for
courses,
you
know
it
does
a
horseman
and
wherever
or
dry
weather
and
avoids
will
apply
as
we
get
into
it
depending
upon
the
complexity
of
the
strategy.
What
what
do
we
need
to
make
it
work?
It
might
just
be
scenarios
or
it
could
be
alternatives.
It
could
be
saying
this
one's
fairly
straightforward
or
it's
a
real.
G
It's
a
financial,
fiscally
constrained
division,
so
I
think
as
we
get
into
that
next
phase,
we'll
be
starting
to
really
apply
that
which
you
know
comes
about
in
January
once
the
strategies
are
defined
and
that
allows
us
to
look
at
them
and
some
of
them,
as
we
spoke
about
some
strategies,
might
be
saying:
here's
the
planning.
We
need
to
do
post
master
plan
to
make
this
work,
but
they're
really
complex
ones
that
need
more
information
or
more
research
or
more
analysis,
so
we're
leaving
our
options
open
as
we
get
into
that.
A
A
F
Of
one
of
the
things
that
we
we
do
know
because
of
that
exact
thing
that
you've
identified
is
that
even
on
the
heels
of
the
first
workshop,
once
we've
completed
that
in
the
first
conversation
with
the
board,
we've
already
talked
to
Brian
and
Heather
about
the
importance
of
now
trying
to
identify
and
put
some
financial
numbers
to
the
strategies
that
seem
to
be
gelling
as
the
most
likely
to
be
advanced
so
that
we
can
be
ready.
So
we're
not
waiting.
F
Okay,
we'll
wait
till
we
get
through
all
the
focus
areas
and
then
start
the
cost
estimating
to
build
our
financial
scenario
models
for
the
next
phase.
So
that's
going
to
start
kind
of
on
the
heels
of
our
conversations
with
the
community
and
staff
on
the
board.
Once
we've
completed
the
work
and
have
a
set
of
draft
strategies,
then
we
will
happy
we
will
have
the
information
about
what
we
think
it
would
cost
to
develop
these
in
fiscally
constrained
action
plan
and
vision,
plan
level
scenarios.
F
The
statistically
valid
survey
will
be
useful
for
giving
us
information
about
trade-offs,
we'll
have
exercise
by
which
people
can
allocate
around
number
$100
or
something
like
that
amongst
a
number
of
outcomes
or
priorities
within
the
system,
and
that
will
help
us
inform
you
know
how
we
might
develop.
Some
recommended
recommended
financial
scenarios
for
each
of
the
each
of
the
scenarios
that
we've
got
yeah.
G
And
just
as
a
sort
of
procedural
item
typical
to
the
way
we've
done
the
focus
areas
now
the
strategies
will
be
coming
to
the
process
committee
in
probably
November
and
then
bringing
it
up
to
the
board
round
about
December
to
show
you
know.
What's
the
next
steps
for
this
final
phase
of
the
master
plan?
Will
the
final
two
phases
the
finalization
of
the
strategies
as
Marx
described
and
then
there's
the
actual
development
of
the
draft
plan?
Isn't
the
in
looking
at
the
plan?
G
F
Have
you
know
it's
sort
of
in
that
orange
box
is
kind
of
the
draft
plan
development,
because
once
we
have
our
set
of
financial
scenarios
associated
with
with
our
strategies
that
that
really
is
the
the
draft
plan.
Well,
so
we'll
have
engagement
to
get
us
to
those
scenarios
and
then
a
presentation
of
that
information.
Yeah.
A
I
was
just
sort
of
building
off
of
that
The
Orange
Box
begins
sort
of
mid
in
the
first
quarter
of
2019,
but
our
study
session
on
the
finance
piece
of
it
I
would
imagine
as
February
March
of
2019
March
April,
okay,
March
April.
Well
even
more
so
then
that
means
that
we're
not
even
doing
the
study
session
piece
of
it
until
pretty
deep
in
it.
Maybe
that's
just
the
way
it
is,
but
that's
fairly
well
into
the
process
or
put
it
the
other
way
around
fairly
close
to
him.
A
G
G
Yeah,
no,
we
absolutely
agree
with
everything
you're
saying
and
our
goal
is
to
get
you
know.
I
November
have
all
of
that
in
place.
Lined
up
I
mean
we've
got
the
general
outline,
but
we're
working
with
a
consultant.
The
T
of
the
details
of
that.
Looking
at
you
know
and
we'll
be
bringing,
for
instance,
potential
alternatives
for
the
types
of
statistical
surveys
we
can
do
etc.
G
So,
if
you
can,
you
know
basically
give
us
a
couple
of
months
as
we
do
the
background
work
to
get
that
all
lined
up
and
let
you
know,
as
we
do
with
the
process
committee-
hey
if
we
do
it
this
way.
This
could
extend
the
master
plan
out
to
this
date.
If
we
do
it
this
way,
we
can
deliver
it
on
time.
So
we're
happy
to
let,
as
we've
done
before
the
process
committee,
know
the
resources
and
schedule
that
could
shift
depending
upon
what
we
need
to
do
to
finalize
the
plan.
B
So
for
these
workshops
it
would
be
useful,
among
many
things,
to
have
the
public
in
some
ways
presented
with
outcomes
in
this
domain
that
range
across
minimal
investment,
maximal
investment.
Because
then
that's
gonna
go
into
your
work
down
the
line
when
you
create
your
sort
of
multivariate
scenarios
and
you
do
your
statistically
valid
survey.
B
Are
you
thinking
about
that?
As
you
put
together
these
options
of
possible
outcomes?
Tim
I
mean
I,
just
think
it
would
be
nice
if
there
was
sort
of
bracketing
at
a
minimum,
I
mean
there
can
be
other
outcomes,
but
at
a
minimum
to
bracket
the
range
of
investments
that
might
be
possible.
So
just
a
thought.
F
To
some
degree
we're
doing
that
at
the
outcome
level.
Okay,
another
instance
is
it's
probably
going
to
be
kind
of
the
intensity
or
volume
of
the
implementation
of
various
strategies
or
approaches
to
achieve
that
outcome
and
how
far
we
want
to
take
it
and
I
think
that
that
provides
a
little
bit
more
flexibility
for
us
in
terms
of
getting
kind
of
a
community
pulse
on
on
on
outcomes.
F
If
we
hear
from
the
community,
though,
that
they
want
to
see
something,
you
know
it's
a
lot
of
vigor
and
a
lot
of
enthusiasm
in
a
particular
way
that
that
will
probably
be
one
of
the
ways
that
we'll
know.
If
that's
something
that
you
know
we'll
want
to
amp
up
or
provide
a
conversation
at
the
study
session.
For
that
focus
area,
saying
hey,
there
seems
to
be
a
lot
of
interest
around
this,
your
some
implications
of
what
that
would
mean
for
related
topics
and
how
we
might
go
about
doing
that.
B
B
I
just
see
some
value
and
sort
of
grounding
the
discussion
by
saying
look
for
for
this
resource
that
we're
talking
about
this
would
be
an
outcome
associated
with
a
substantial
investment
in
this
area.
I
think
it
just
helps
anchor
people
and
what
might
be
possible.
They
can
always
come
back
and
say,
but
the
outcome
I
want
is
way
past.
That's
fine,
but
anyway,
just
as
you're
thinking
that,
through
to
sort
of
bracket,
people's
thinking
like
be
I'd,
be
helpful.
Okay,
I.
A
Thought
it'd
be
useful
if
you
could
sort
of
elaborate
on
your
expectations
of
us
for
the
study
sessions
and,
in
particular,
the
you
know.
Some
study
sessions
are
really
about
to
sort
of
we
listen
and
learn.
Ask
questions
maybe
offer
some
opinions
on
stuff,
but
it's
very
much
a
truly
a
study
process.
There
are
some
well,
you
know
it's
all,
but
voting
there
may
be
sort
of
thumbs
up.
A
It's
you're
expected
to
have
a
decided
point
of
view
on
various
questions
that
come
up
and,
of
course,
there's
all
kinds
that
sort
of
fall
in
between
and
every
so
often
you
think
you're
gonna
have
one
kind
of
study
session
and
get
surprised
that
it's
really
more
of
the
other
and
I
think
in
this
case.
It's
probably
you
know
it's
two
months
out
but
worth
being
fairly
clear
about
your
expectations
and
and
more
particularly.
If
the
expectation
is
that
people
you
know,
trustees
will
have.
You
know
reasonably
formed
views
on
as
a
particular
strategy.
A
The
the
right
one,
the
wrong
one
or
you
know
perhaps
somewhere
in
between
it
just
needs
to
be
tweaked.
It's
you
know
kind
of
worth
being
clear
about
that
that
if
you're
gonna
say
okay
well,
you
know
we
need
thumbs
up
on
this
or
is
it
you
know
your
vision
to
be
something
a
little.
You
know
more
study
like
and
a
little
less
voting
like.
F
One
of
the
things
that
we
want
to
accomplish
at
the
study
session
is
is
that
study
piece
of
saying,
okay
here,
here's
what
we
know
about
this
focus
area,
these
related
topics
and
the
suite
of
outcomes
and
strategies
that
we've
heard
about.
In
some
cases,
we
may
hear
a
whole
lot
from
the
community
about
new
ideas
that
weren't
included
in
our
preparatory
materials.
F
In
other
cases,
we
may
hear
less
of
that,
and
so
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
place
where
we
can
put
that
stuff
together
and
hear
if
there's
anything,
additional
or
any
nuances,
the
board
that
they'd
like
to
add
to
the
mix
so
that
we
have
the
full,
if
you
will
a
set
of
ingredients
as
we
move
forward
to
develop
a
set
of
recommended
strategies
or
strategies
for
the
plan.
So
that's
that's
one
thing.
F
In
the
community,
this
seems
to
be
maybe
one
of
the
more
thematic
elements
over
the
next
six
to
ten
years
for
open
space
and
get
some
feedback
from
the
board
on
those
kinds
of
things,
so
that
we
don't
have
a
whole
lot
of
time
between
the
engagement
for
each
of
these
focus
areas
closing
and
coming
to,
even
though
it's
the
next
month
that
we
have,
we
still
don't
have
a
huge
amount
of
time
to
pull
together.
So
those
kinds
of
commitments
are
probably
where
we're
going
mark.
Maybe
no
I
think.
G
These
are
the
one
or
two
you
need
to
do
a
lot
more
work
on
or
a
little
bit
of
tweaking,
so
give
us
a
sense
of
the
work
you
think
they
need,
which
was
so
good
in
the
focus
areas.
When
you
give
us
that
feedback
and
is
there
anything,
we've
missed.
That's
a
clear
one.
At
the
study
session
it
popped
up.
You've
ever
heard
something
from
the
public
or
something
submerge
for
your
staff,
so
really
yeah
the
closer
we
can
get
to
finalizing
the
strategies
earlier.
The
better
okay.
E
I
extend
that
question
yeah
to
the
role
of
the
board
with
respect
to
the
community
workshops,
I
mean
I
I've
marked
on
my
calendar,
the
dates
for
those
and
I'm
wondering
if,
if
we're
expected
to
go
to
those
or
if
people
have
time
and
are
planning
on
going
to
those,
what
that
expectation
and
role
is
because
it
seems
to
me
that
will
feed
into
what
you
were
just
talking
about
it,
the
study
session.
If
we've
all
been
to
them,
we
don't
need
to
hear
a
lot
of
reports
about
what
happened
at
the
community
workshops.
G
Absolutely
Karen
I
mean
it's.
If
you
know
I
know
it's
a
lot
of
time
for
the
board,
but
if
you're
able
to
attend
them
and
frankly
have
that
free
roaming
role
to
be
able
to
go
around
the
stations
and
hear
directly
from
the
public
it
it's
great
and
we've
publicly
noticed
them.
So
all
the
board
can
turn
up
all
workshops.
G
F
Had
a
lot
of
very
positive
feedback
from
the
community
after
the
open
house
for
the
values,
development
phase
of
the
plan
having
Council
and
board
members
there
that
that
really
helped
people
feel
like
their
time
spent
at
the
meeting
was
well
spent
that
the
city
was
taking
this
seriously
so
again.
I
know
it
is
a
lot
of
time,
but
we
certainly
would
appreciate
that
if
you
could
spend
it.
E
Someone
asked
me
yesterday
what
time
these
things
were
gonna
be.
They
said
they
went
on
the
website
and
there
was
no
indication
of
the
time
there
were
dates,
listed
and
I'm
wondering
if
the
information
that's
on
slides,
eight
and
nine,
the
event
timeline
and
the
presentation
stage
are
going
to
be
posted
on
the
yeah.
C
D
E
D
F
Phil,
we're
also
working
to
have
some
of
the
more
fundamental
information,
also
translated
into
Spanish.
So
there's
a
couple
of
steps
to
get
all
this
stuff
out
on
the
web
and
updated
I
will
say
a
couple
of
changes.
As
you
know,
Darren
Wagner,
who
is
the
project
manager,
had
had
her
child
in
August
and
Juliette.
But
now
he
may
not
know
as
well,
but
who
has
really
been
the
brains
of
the
operation,
especially
since
Darren
has
been
away.
F
I
F
Votes
in
so
so
the
consultants
work
with
turning-point
technologies
and
there'll
be
a
hundred
and
50
or
200.
We
actually
have
some
of
the
city,
we're
not
sure
they
all
work
together.
I
will
have
at
least
150
or
so
of
these
clickers.
What
people
use
nowadays
and
university
classes.
College
class
I
never
used
one,
but
I.
K
F
And
so
that
will
there
won't
be
an
issue
with
people
having
to
crowd
around.
Hopefully,
every
we'll
have
enough
for
everyone
who's
there
to
have
one,
and
there
will
be
specific
questions
on
the
screen
where
we
ask
people
to
rank
things
or
identify
their
top
three
and
then
there's
kind
of
an
instantaneous
collation
of
that
information
and
presentation
of
the
results
that
show
up
on
the
screen
similar
to
that
tool
that
you
that
you
emailed
us
about
under
that
allows
people
to
use
their
smartphones
to
do
I.
F
G
I
G
F
H
C
You
thanks
mark
thanks,
mark
and
I.
Just
I
obviously
want
to
just
thank
our
staff.
It's
been
a
heavy,
lift
and
and
I
think
we
might
have
noted
either
to
the
processing
to
do
this
before,
but
we
expanded
our
core
team
over
the
last
couple
of
months.
For
instance,
Heather
came
on
to
help
support
this
focus
area,
and
so
there's
been
a
number
of
staff,
people
that
have
come
to
the
forefront
quite
recently
to
add
capacity
and
their
expertise
to,
and
it's
really
improved
our
ability
to
sort
of
be
where
we're
at.
C
J
Well,
thank
you
for
having
me
here
to
give
you
your
annual
update
on
OS
and
piece
funded
research
program.
It's
the
third
time,
I've
updated
you
on
this
program
and
I
just
wanted
to
start
by
acknowledging
that
I
work
really
closely
with
Wilkie
Lee
on
this
and
then
I
kind
of
bring
this
program
and
make
sure
it
runs
each
year.
J
So,
thanks
to
him
and
around
15
other
staff
who
help
us
review
the
pile
of
proposals
we
get
in
each
winter,
so
thanks
to
staff,
so
the
funded
research
program
began
around
20
years
ago
in
1995,
I
was
a
junior
in
high
school,
so
I
wasn't
here.
For
that
wisdom
they
drafted
these
four
goals,
which
we
still
hold
today
first,
is
to
provide
a
way
to
train
scientists
and
land
managers
in
the
region
to
address
the
department's.
J
Short-Term
and
long-term
management
needs
to
solidify
our
relationships
with
all
the
strong
researchers
we
know
are
in
the
boulder
valley
and
beyond,
and
to
start
thinking
about
open
space
properties
as
an
integral
part
in
the
broader
Front
Range.
So
in
November
of
last
year,
we
issued
an
RFP
asking
for
proposals.
We
synchronized
that
call
with
Jefferson
County
open
space
and
Boulder
County
parks
and
open
space
as
we
did
the
previous
year.
J
So
this
was
our
second
time
trying
this
and
in
total,
our
department
received
21
proposals
requesting
over
$300,000,
and
we
chose
eight
to
fund
using
our
budget
of
$70,000
and
I
just
bolded,
some
of
the
key
words
across
each
of
those
titles
for
the
ones
that
we
funded.
To
give
you
a
flavor
for
the
diversity
of
projects.
We
had
one
on
Apache
presence
in
the
Boulder
valley,
one
on
forceful
nur
ability
to
climate
change,
and
there
you
see
an
asterisks,
which
means
we
Co,
funded,
that
with
County
parks
and
open
space.
J
So
Camille
approached
us
and
said:
hey
it'd,
be
great
if
I
could
put
plots
on
your
land
and
Boulder
County
land,
and
for
these
reasons
you
get
different
forest
treatment
histories,
I'd
like
to
look
at
those
communities
and
also
then
you
can
get
a
little
more
budget
to
do
the
work.
Another
one
on
nutrient
deposition
from
the
atmosphere,
one
on
using
social
media
to
start
to
understand,
scenic
resources,
one
on
post,
flood
restoration,
measuring
whether
or
not
we're
successful
and
specifically
they're
in
left-hand
Creek.
J
The
second
interagency
one
we
funded
was
on
bullfrog,
Management
and
then
two
kind
of
related
ones
on
climate
change
and
grasslands.
The
first
one
to
set
up
an
experiment
to
manipulate
rainfall
patterns
and
look
at
grassland
recovery
crossing
that
treatment
with
grazing
treatments
and
then
looking
really
closely
at
plant
demographics
and
the
other
one.
Looking
at
a
couple
key
species,
big
bluestem
is
one
of
them
too
late
season,
water
additions
and
it's
responses.
J
So
here's
two
of
them
that
both
used
funnels
or
buckets
in
their
research,
which
was
an
interesting
emerging
theme
this
year,
so
Joe
Aaron
Berger,
is
with
adaptation.
Environmental
Services
proposed
to
spend
three
field
seasons,
removing
bullfrogs
from
Boulder,
County
and
Boulder
properties.
Testing
these
two
techniques.
One
is
this
bucket
trap
that
you
see
here,
which
is
submerged
in
a
pond
with
the
lip
just
above
water
and
some
attractant
lights
at
night
and
the
bullfrogs
jump
in
there
and
they
can't
get
out.
J
So
here
you
can
see
a
pile
of
bullfrogs
in
the
bottom,
which
then
they
would
use,
kill
jar
to
with
a
euthanasia
chemical
in
it
and
donate
those
frogs
to
places
like
the
Denver
Museum
of
Nature
and
Science.
So
we're
excited
about
that
one
and
the
other
bucket
project
we
had
was
to
look
at
atmospheric
nutrient
deposition,
both
from
what
deposition,
which
tends
to
be
where
your
nitrogen
comes
from
and
dry
dust
deposition,
which,
according
to
the
proposals
where
you
tend
to
get
phosphorus
from
so
I,
start
to
learn.
J
If
that's
the
case,
how
far
away
from
urban
centers
you
need
to
go
before
that
fingerprint
of
deposition
disappears.
What
we
really
liked
about
this
one
is
I
had
elevational
gradient
built
into
it,
and
some
of
our
properties
are
there.
They've
already
got
one
of
these
set
up
at
the
Tasso
and
some
other
sites
further
up
the
hill,
so
Ruth
Heindel
is
a
postdoc
at
CU,
and
so
we've
got
two
of
these
Albert
on
open
space.
Currently,
then,
I
want
to
show
you
some
results
in
from
a
previous
funded
proposal.
J
This
one
was
funded
in
2016
with
a
title
that
only
a
real
geek
could
love
a
spatiotemporal
yeah
where's
Kevin.
He
would
really
love
this
proposal
today.
A
spatiotemporal
analysis
of
changes
in
force
extent
in
the
northern
Front
Range.
So
this
hit
one
of
those
goals
of
looking
all
the
way
from
Denver
up
to
Fort,
Collins
and
kind
of
two
main
components
here.
One
is
taking
these
landscape
photos
relocating
those
four
points
and
taking
the
photos
again.
J
Interestingly,
though,
you
see
some
places
where
forest
was
lost
and
you
can
see
that
most
clearly
in
the
third
panel
of
the
Delta,
where
those
places
in
red
are
the
places
where
there
was
force
in
1938,
but
there
is
no
longer
forest
and
I've
just
over
lane
for
you,
some
big
fire
events
in
the
last
15
years
that
you
may
be
familiar
with.
You
know
in
the
North
High
Park
fire
outside
of
Fort
Collins
in
2012,
90,000,
acres
of
open
space
and
mountain
parks
down
closer
to
home.
J
Here,
the
four-mile
Canyon
fire
over
5,000
acres
in
2010.
So
a
good
proof
of
concept
that
the
remote
sensing
and
classification
algorithms
worked.
We
can
detect
these
no
events,
but
also
just
interesting
complexity
around
how
fire
suppression
has
led
to
both
increases
in
forests
and
decreases
in
forests.
The
notion
here
is
that,
as
for
Stan's
dead
dense
when
wildfire
finally
does
come,
it
tends
to
be
hot,
catastrophic
crown
fighters
that
are
standard
placing,
and
so
we
didn't
do
these
big
scenarios
of
land
cover
change
that
are
difficult
to
reverse.
J
J
What
I'm
happy
to
report
as
this
as
now
our
fifth
executive
year,
so
we
did
start
in
95,
but
we
had
a
couple
five
or
seven
year
periods
where
we
offered
no
funding
so
I
think
getting
these
consecutive
years
of
funding
gets
researchers
used
these
coming
and
they
start
to
think
about
these
project
ideas
in
advance.
In
fact,
we
have
seen
that
over
the
last
three
years
in
particular,
some
of
the
same
P
is
coming
back
with
revised
proposals
or
different
tweaks
on
their
proposals.
J
So
we're
happy
to
see
that
and
I
look
forward
to
what
we're
going
to
get
this
year
and
then
you
may
remember.
Last
spring
we
had
our
first
ever
Front
Range
open
space
research
symposium.
So
this
was
one
of
those
things
that
a
board
member
attended
and
we
made
him
stand
up
and
speak
so
Curt
was
there.
Thank
you
for
representing
OSB
t
at
this
meeting.
This
was
also
an
interagency
initiative
from
the
outset.
We
co-sponsored
it
with
Jefferson
County
and
Boulder
County
parks
and
open
space
yeah.
J
Yes,
that's
right
and
open
space
hosted
it.
We
hosted
it,
and
this
was
that
seek.
It
was
an
all-day
symposium
where
people
with
one
of
these
grants
in
the
past
came
and
gave
research
talks
and
did
question
and
answers
open
to
the
public.
We
had
over
a
hundred
people
there.
It
was
a
great
day
and
I
think
we
had
a
lot
of
momentum
to
try
it
again.
J
J
This
year
it
was
limited
by
money
absolutely,
and
we
had
a
lot
of
subsequent
conversation
around.
Can
we
find
an
additional
five
thousand
dollars,
or
can
we
move
this
to
a
contract?
So
we
can
change
it
a
little
bit
and
have
it
be
as
much
as
I
go
away
to
the
work
and
come
back
with
the
results.
I
would
say:
that's
been
the
case
all
three
years
that
I've
been
involved,
that
we
can't
quite
fund
everything,
but
each
year
it's
getting
harder
and
harder
to
turn
away
quality
proposals.
J
J
Sweeten
the
pot
a
little
bit
you
can
get
up
to
20
to
30
I've,
also
been
exploring
this
notion
of
multi-year
grants.
So
you
get
10
one
year
and
ten
another
year,
so
you
can
spread
the
project
out
over
time.
The
progress
report
in
year,
one
and
then
continue
into
year
two
and
we
have
dealt
with
those
in
the
past,
but
getting
a
little
more
explicit
about
it.
J
But
we've
also
looked
at
going
the
other
way,
which
is
in
micro,
grant
direction,
maybe
connecting
into
Junior
Rangers,
where,
if
we've
got
Junior
Rangers
are
really
you
know,
approach
them
as
we're
onboarding
and
say:
look
here's
this
option!
If
you
see
a
research
idea,
you
might
be
able
to
win
a
grant
for
$500.
H
A
J
C
K
If
there's
anything
I'm
missing,
so
the
the
first
field,
tour
is
September,
22nd
and
I
understand
that
that
is
quickly
filling
up.
So
if
anyone
is
interested
in
going
on
this
wonderful
look
at
some
of
the
forest
management
that
we
have
done
on
city
lands.
That
would
be
a
great
opportunity
to
do
that.
The
second
works.
The
workshop,
the
second
installment
in
the
three-part
series,
is
a
workshop
at
seek
being
held
on
September
26th
and
then
the
third
item
is
another
field,
tour
and
I.
Believe
that's
on.
K
Looking
at
county
land
management
and
in
in
the
foothills,
and
that
is
on
September
29th,
so
I
just
wanted
to
invite
everyone
to
think
about
attending
one
of
those
and
learning
more
about
forest
health
and,
what's
coming
in
our
forest
management,
the
if
you
want
more
information,
please
feel
free
to
speak
with
me
or
with
Karen
or
search
on
what
would
be
the
best
thing.
I
guess,
I
think
it's
is
it
this
scent
an
event.
K
Great
and
so
anyways,
that's
some
other
sorts
of
investigation
and
collaborative
research
that
we're
doing
and
do
you
have
a
question.
B
B
K
That,
okay,
that's
right,
Curt
it
not
the
same
one
yeah.
Thank
you
and
I'll
also
take
this
opportunity
before
Heather
Swanson,
our
senior
wildlife
ecologist
comes
up
to
just
kind
of
provide
a
little
context
in
that
we
have
this
great
funded
research
program
that
that
Brian
just
described
for
you,
where
we're
we're
essentially
giving
grants
to
have
great
research
done
that
helps
us
as
land
managers
do
a
better
job,
but
we
also
do
quite
a
bit
of
research
in-house
and
the
presentation
that
Heather
is
going
to
share
with
you.
K
Next
is
an
example
of
that,
where
we
are
going
out
and
seeking
grants
and
partners
to
to
answer,
questions
that
we
have
directly
as
land
managers,
and
so
it
kind
of
gives
you
a
nice
spectrum
and
to
see
the
range
of
types
of
research
that
we
do
so
now.
Heather
will
come
up
and
talk
about
this
project
that
she's
been
working
on.
H
L
So
you
may
remember,
we
talked
last
I
think
it
was
a
long
time
ago
about
the
fact
that
we
were
going
to
do
this
study.
So
we
now
are
getting
very
close
to
actually
getting
on
the
ground.
So
I
wanted
to
come
back
and
give
you
some
of
the
details
about
what
exactly
we're
gonna
be
doing
and
like
both
Dan
and
John's,
that
this
is
a
collaborative
study
with
Colorado,
Parks
and
Wildlife.
L
K
L
Certainly
do
have
elk,
but
they
tend
to
be
more
on
the
peripheries
of
our
open
space
out
a
little
bit
further
from
town
so
and
most
of
our
close
into
town,
open
space.
Mule
deer
really
are
large
herbivores,
with
the
exception
of
obviously
livestock
and
then
their
primary
predators,
mountain
lions
and
people
are
very
interested
in
mountain
lions.
The
CPW
study,
looking
at
mountain
lions,
showed
that
we
have
a
very
healthy
lion
population,
despite
the
fact
that
they're
rarely
seen
so.
L
So
there
was
previous
research
done
on
the
deer
herd
in
this
area.
In
the
1980s
there
were
several
population
surveys
done.
That
seemed
to
be
a
very
high
point
in
deer
populations.
There
was
a
lot
of
conflict
with
deer
and
people,
so
it
was
kind
of
a
hot
topic
at
that
time,
so
they
did
some
surveys
then,
and
back
in
2005
we
undertook
a
collaborative
study
with
color
at
the
time
color
at
a
Division
of
Wildlife,
now
Colorado,
Parks
and
Wildlife.
To
look
at
chronic
wasting
disease
in
the
deer
and
then
in
2008
to
2016.
L
Hopefully
some
of
you
have
had
a
chance
to
see
Matt
Aldridge
present
his
research
on
mountain
lions.
That
was
a
much
wider
study
area,
but
open
space
was
one
of
the
sort
of
core
areas
of
that
study.
So
we
have
a
lot
better
understanding
of
our
lion
populations
and
when
we
looked
back
in
2005
to
2008,
we
found
one
of
the
highest
prevalences
of
CWD
that's
been
found.
We
found
that
males
had
an
average
prevalence
of
about
41%
and
about
20%
of
females
we're
infected.
L
L
So
in
2018
we
have
a
good
opportunity,
there's
renewed
interest
at
the
state
level
in
chronic
wasting
disease.
The
state
is
going
to
be
going
to
mandatory
submissions
of
hunter
killed,
deer
again
in
some
areas
in
the
state,
and
so
that
allows
us
to
really
leverage
substantial
color
of
parks
and
wildlife
resources.
They
have
a
lot
of
funding
and
a
lot
of
interest
in
better
understanding,
chronic
wasting
disease.
L
They
also
have
a
lot
of
staff
that
have
extensive
experience
as
well
as
veterinary
staff
that
have
a
lot
of
experience
in
animal
capture,
and
it's
also
ten
years
after
our
last
study
and
30
years
after
that
initial
population
asked.
So
it's
an
opportunity
to
get
another
data
point
on
chronic
wasting
disease
and
that
population,
and
that
allows
us
to
begin
to
track
those
long-term
trajectories
of
the
disease
and
what
it
may
or
may
not
be
doing
to
populations.
L
L
What
habitats,
they're,
selecting
how
they
may
or
may
not
be
interacting
with
the
mountain
lions
with
people
all
kinds
of
really
interesting
questions,
and
so
the
capture,
testing
and
counting
piece
will
be
essentially
the
collaborative
piece
with
Colorado,
Parks
and
Wildlife,
and
we
will
resample
the
same
area,
the
same
herd
of
deer
as
we
did
before,
which
has
been
called
the
Table
Mesa
deer
herd
in
our
previous
study.
So
that
will
be
a
one-time
sample
collection
and
capture.
L
We
will
capture
them,
mark
them
with
your
tags
and
radio
collars
and
test
them
for
CWD,
and
then
we
will
complete
a
population
census
and
then,
following
that,
after
we've
put
the
collars
on
that,
we
can
then
do
monitoring
with
GPS
collars
and
I'm
gonna
go
into
a
little
bit
more
detail.
But
essentially,
this
allows
us
to
use
to
use
the
data
on
where
the
deer
are
to
look
at
their
habitat
selection.
L
We
can
then
compare
that
to
the
presence
of
habitats
on
the
landscape,
to
see
if
they're
favoring
certain
habitats-
and
we
can
then
overlay
that
data
with
a
number
of
different
variables
will
have
their
CWD
status
to
see.
If
that
impacts,
their
habitat
use
their
location.
We
will
be
capturing
both
urban
as
well
as
open
space,
dear
the
demographics
age,
whether
they're,
male
or
female,
as
related
to
a
lot
of
habitat
variables.
So
we
have
things
like
the
tall
oak
grass
infestation
in
this
area
and
so
seeing
how
that
might
impact
their
habitat
use.
L
We
can
look
at
human
use,
different
grazing
different
forestry
treatments
and
how
they
seem
to
be
responding
to
those.
We
can
also
look
at
mortality
factors.
The
collars,
let
us
know
when
the
deer
hasn't
moved
in
a
certain
period
of
time,
which
then
allows
us
to
go
out
and
see.
Does
this
appear
to
be
a
deer
that
was
hit
by
a
car
or
a
deer
that
clearly
is
being
eaten
by
a
mountain
lion,
and
then
we
can
also
look
at
movement.
L
We
will
get
frequent
enough
information
to
have
some
ideas
of
where
these
deer
are
moving,
what
their
movement
corridors
are
and
how
they're
using
the
landscape
and
then
also
to
look
at
those
interactions
with
mountain
lions.
As
far
as
that,
predation
goes
as
well
as
other
mortality
factors
that
may
be
impacting
them,
so
the
study
are
is,
is
basically
kind
of
the
not
the
far
southern
part
of
our
system,
but
the
southern
portion
of
Boulder.
It's
kind
of
the
table,
Mesa
area
with
baseline
on
the
east.
L
Sorry
baseline
on
the
North
Broadway
on
the
East
eldorado
springs,
drive
on
the
south
and
then
essentially
the
Flatirons
backdrop.
Occasionally
they
do
wander
up
to
the
back
side
of
flagstaff,
so
we
will
track
them
up
there
and
the
the
sample
sites
that
we're
really
looking
for
is
a
minimum
of
30
males
and
40
females.
L
Maybe
a
half
dollar
size,
blue
button,
ear
tag
and
then
for
selected
animals
we'll
fit
them
with
a
radio
collar
and
we'll
be
deploying
those
radio
colors
to
try
and
get
a
variety
of
sexes
of
deer.
Both
male
and
females
try
to
deploy
the
colors
in
different
locations,
different
social
groups,
so
that
we're
getting
a
pretty
broad
sampling
of
the
deer
on
open
space
and
then
we'll
administer
a
reversal
drug
that
wakes
them
up
fairly
quickly.
So
these
are
pictures
actually
from
2005
through
2007
capture
and
marking
I.
L
L
Those
were
established
in
the
1980s,
so
we
can
actually
walk
and
drive
the
same
routes
for
comparison
and
that'll
be
done
with
Oh
SMP
staff,
as
well
as
CPW
staff
and
potentially
volunteers,
and
then
we're
counting,
marked
and
unmarked
animals
observed
and
using
something
called
Bowden's
estimator
to
come
up
with
a
population
estimate
and
then
for
the
monitoring
we
do
have
50
GPS,
collars
and
I
brought
a
prop.
I
will
show
you,
but
I'll
bring
it
up
to
you,
but
this
is
one
of
the
GPS
collars.
L
This
is
astounding
to
me
because
it
is
smaller
and
lighter
than
the
non
GPS
collars
were
ten
years
ago,
the
VHF
non
GPS
collars
had
a
big
antenna
that
stuck
up
like
this,
that
the
deer
tended
to
get
caught
on
things
and
other
problems.
This
is
equipped
with
a
couple
of
pretty
interesting
features.
This
is
the
transmitter
and
the
antenna.
The
battery
will
go
down
here.
It's
missing
because
once
you
plug
in
the
battery
that
that's
the
time
limited
part
of
the
collars,
that
is
the
battery,
but
this
one
is
a
buck
collar.
L
So
it
actually
has
this
magnetic
expansion
built
into
it,
because
during
the
rut
in
the
fall,
the
Bucks
necks
can
almost
double
in
size.
So
a
color
has
to
have
the
ability
to
expand
and
then
go
back
down
when,
when
it's
past
the
rut-
and
then
it
also
has
this
mechanism
here,
which
can
be
set
for
a
specific
time
or
activated
remotely
to
separate
at
this
point
so
that
the
collar
falls
off
of
the
deer.
So
the
hope
is
that,
with
most
of
these
colors
we
won't
have
to
go
back
out
and
capture
the
deer.
L
L
So
we
do
have
50
of
those
like
I
said.
Some
of
them
are
fit
with
the
expansion,
and
some
are
not
so.
The
batteries
will
last
for
approximately
two
years,
based
on
our
current
settings
of
getting
basically
three
locations
in
a
24-hour
period.
You
can
set
that
to
be
as
often
as
every
hour,
but
then
the
battery
lasts
less
time,
so
we're
looking
at
two
years
with
a
location
every
eight
hours
and
there
were
lost
the
beginning,
visual
assessments
of
the
deer,
it's
also
a
VHF
collar.
L
So
we
can
go
out
with
the
good
old
yagi
antenna
and
walk
around
and
find
the
deer
make
sure
that
the
collar
isn't
causing
problems
and
look
at
their
body
condition,
and
that
type
of
thing
at
first
we'll
find
them
pretty
frequently
to
make
sure
that
there
aren't
any
issues
with
the
collars.
After
that,
we'll
probably
go
to
every
couple
weeks
and
then,
like
I,
said
there
is
a
remote
drop-off
mechanism.
L
These
are
pictures
last
time
when,
in
order
to
find
the
deer,
our
technicians
had
to
go
out
and
find
every
single
deer
every
single
week.
It
was
pretty
intensive
and
if
you
remember
the
winter
of
would
it
have
been
2006
you
could
see.
There
was
a
lot
of
snow
so
we'll
see
if
it's
a
winter
like
that
and
the
staff
that
will
be
involved
there,
a
variety
of
open
space
staff,
all
of
our
wildlife
staff
will
be
involved
for
the
darting
and
portions
of
the
fieldwork.
L
We
do
have
four
of
our
Rangers
that
are
gonna
be
involved.
Cpw
has
a
couple
of
their
wildlife
health
veterinarians,
who
will
be
involved
in
support
as
well
as
a
couple
of
field
staff.
Mary
Wright
is
our
vet
that
we
work
with
for
our
DEA
licensing
and
prescriptions
for
the
anesthetic
drugs,
and
then
the
funding
will
be
coming
from
open
space
as
well
as
Colorado,
Parks
and
Wildlife.
L
So
some
of
the
benefits
is,
it
provides
us
information
to
just
better
understand
what
is
going
on
in
these
foothills
ecosystems,
with
some
of
our
large
charismatic
megafauna.
It
also
provides
information
on
seed
CWD
dynamics
in
a
non
hunted
herd.
This
is
one
of
the
real
reasons
that
CPW
is
so
intensely
interested.
L
So
our
schedule
and
next
steps
we're
currently
in
the
process
of
furiously
getting
permits
agreements
in
place,
getting
property
access,
purchasing
supplies
and
working
on
our
outreach
plans.
October.
Third,
the
full
team
will
be
up
in
in
Fort
Collins
for
an
all-day
training
with
CPW
and
October
18th.
We'll
begin
capture
will
be
out
two
times
a
week.
L
Early
December
we'll
have
two
weeks
of
the
mercury
site
census
and
then
we'll
have
additional
capture
in
December
through
March
after
that
mark
recites.
This
is
complete
and
then
we'll
have
the
ongoing
monitoring
of
the
collar
deer.
A
lot
of
that
will
be
remotely
where
it's
we
just
have
to
go
to
a
website
to
download
those
location
points,
but
there
will
be
that
periodic
location
to
make
sure
that
there
aren't
any
issues
with
the
collar
in
to
assess
body
condition,
and
then
the
colors
will
drop
off
after
two
years.
L
If
there
are
any
that
do
not,
we
will
have
to
go
out
and
do
a
second
darting
event
to
get
the
colors
off
of
them,
because
our
intent
is
not
to
leave
any
animals
on
the
landscape
wearing
collars
and
then
data
data
analysis,
data
analysis
and
reporting
will
start
in
2019
for
the
CWD
and
population
estimate
pieces,
because
that
part
will
be
complete
and
then
in
2021
for
our
movement
and
habitat
use
data
after
we've
collected
the
full
suite
of
the
the
collar
data.
Its
are
there
any
questions.
I
I
I
Looking
forward
to
seeing
blue
tags
on
their
ears,
I'm
a
GPS
researcher
I
do
that
for
a
living
I'm,
a
little
curious
about
the
collars
GPS
is
a
passive
system.
Signals
come
down
to
use
it
for
positioning.
So
what
is
going
to
be
your
sample
rate
with
the
with
the
actual
positioning
of
the
animals?
You
know
how
many
times
per
day,
so.
L
It
will
collect
information
three
times
a
day
and
then
that
is
transmitted
through
cell
phone
networks,
okay
and
so
to
the
degree
that
the
caller
is
in
an
area
of
cell
phone
coverage.
That
data
will
be
downloaded
three
times
a
day
if
they
don't
have
cell
phone
coverage
than
the
caller
stores.
That
information
and
it's
uploaded
the
next
time
that
they
have
cell
phone
coverage.
Yeah.
L
Yeah
and
and
if,
if
they
disappear
for
a
long
time,
we
also
can
go
and
remotely
download
the
data
by
getting
in
close
proximity
to
the
caller.
We
hope
in
this
landscape
that
that
won't
really
be
necessary
and
since
we're
not
doing
ongoing
analysis,
we're
going
to
try
and
collect
the
data
and
then
undergo
analysis.
We
can
also
wait
awhile
until
that
deer.
They
almost
always
end
up
back
on
the
front
side
and
you
know,
would
be
within
cell
coverage.
Okay,
three.
I
L
We're
not
so
it
sort
of
turns
on
and
off
three
times
a
day
and
that
and
that's
part
of
the
battery
life
piece
of
it
and
you
can
program
it
to
be
as
frequently
as
every
hour,
but
with
that
you
know
three
times
a
day.
It
lasts
for
two
years.
If
you
do
it
six
times
a
day,
it's
only
gonna
last
for
a
year,
so
you
pretty
quickly
start
to
have
fairly
short
battery
life
periods.
L
E
L
We
are
definitely
gonna
have
a
website
about
it
and
we'll
do
some
outreach,
as
we
start
to
put
collars
and
ear
tags
out
on
the
landscape.
That's
one
thing
that
I'm
just
working
on
now.
Some
of
the
public
will
have
been
accustomed
to
this
when
it
happened
ten
years
ago,
if
they
were
in
the
area
at
that
time.
L
At
that
time,
I
would
say
we
did
really
extensive
public
outreach
and
expected
it
to
be
a
huge
deal
and
nobody
paid
any
attention,
except
for
the
people
whose,
whose
deer
that
spent
every
day
in
their
yard,
came
to
their
yard
with
a
radio
collar
and
they
were
thrilled,
because
now
they
could
tell
which
deer
was
which
so
I
was
fairly
surprised
by
the
public
reaction
actually,
but
we
will
absolutely
be
making
sure
that
the
word
gets
out
about
who's
doing
it.
What
the
purpose
is.
L
B
B
L
L
We
don't
know
we
have
to
see
what
the
population
is
now
back
10
years
ago.
I
think
we
that
would
have
been
about
a
fifth
of
the
population
that
may
or
may
not
hold.
True.
Now
we
haven't
had
any
indication
that
there's
been
a
huge
drop
in
the
population.
We
haven't
been
receiving
reports
that
people
don't
see
deer
anymore.
We
haven't
seen
issues
associated
with
they're,
not
being
deer
browsing
on
the
landscape,
but
certainly
the
modeling,
based
on
that
chronic
wasting
disease
prevalence
would
suggest
that
the
population
should
have
declined.
A
L
Don't
know
for
sure,
although
there
certainly
have
been
especially
on
white-tailed
deer,
been
some
studies
looking
at
at
least
survivorship
of
collared
and
uncolored
deer,
and
it
doesn't
really
seem
to
have
an
impact,
certainly
for
a
predator,
that
that
kills
its
prey
by
going
for
the
neck.
It
would
seem
logical
that
it
might
have
some
impact,
but
I
would
say
they
seem
to
have
no
problem
catching
our
collared
deer.
Last
time
we
had
a
pretty
high
level
of
Lion
depredation,
so
at
least
anecdotally.
They
seem
to
be
able
to
work
around
it.
B
L
So
I
mostly
it's
I,
don't
know
it
seems
to
have
been
a
high
population
time
based
on
level
of
conflict.
There
weren't
earlier
population
surveys
and
CPW
at
the
time
see
DOW
didn't
do
quite
as
extensive
population
surveys
as
they
do
now.
So
there
aren't
a
lot
of
baselines
to
compare
it
to
now
whether
that
is
with
conflict.
L
So
the
first
evidence
of
chronic
wasting
disease
in
the
wild
was
in
1996,
so
I'm
sorry
1996
in
Boulder,
so
that
was
when
there
was
the
first
vehicle
collision
with
a
deer
that
then
came
back
positive
for
CWD
and
that
wasn't
all
that
long
after
it
had
been
discovered
in
the
wild
for
the
first
time.
So
it
really
is
something
that
they
think
actually
developed
through
mutation
in
captive
animals
and
then
moved
into
wild
animals.
So
it's
a
it's
a
fairly
new
challenge
to
wild
populations
and.
L
Doesn't
seem
to
be
the
vets
up
at
Fort,
Collins
have
had
it
used
to
be.
3-1
has
passed
away,
but
three
captive
mountain
lions
who
they
essentially
fed
chronic
wasting
disease,
infected
meat
for
a
decade
or
more
and
had
no
evidence
of
any
type
of
impact
on
the
Lions.
So
it's
fairly
conclusive
that
it
doesn't
seem
to
impact
them.
I
have.
B
L
It
is
certainly
something
that
that's
present
every
year
at
some
level
in
some
years,
it
seems
to
be
really
very
obvious.
I
would
say
that,
given
that
it
seems
to
have
been
in
the
population
for
a
long
time,
it
doesn't
seem
to
have
an
impact
that
you
know
results
in
replacement
of
stands
of
Hawthorn
with
other
things.
I'm
I,
don't
know
if
it
impacts
sort
of
the
fruit
bearing
ability
of
the
shrub
in
a
bad
year
or
not,
which
certainly
then
could
have
impacts
on
you.
L
E
L
I
would
I
would
say
we
don't
have
full
kind
of
expenditures
for
everything,
because
not
everything
has
yet
been
acquired.
I
would
say
generally
for
the
capture.
Cpw
is
paying
the
lion's
share
of
everything.
For
that
we
buy
kind
of
the
basic
equipment
they
supply
a
lot
of
the
medical
equipment
required
and
a
lot
of
the
training
and
expertise.
L
So
I
would
say
they
definitely
fund
most
of
that
as
far
as
the
caller's,
because
that's
really
our
study
we
have,
we
have
paid
for
all
of
the
collars
and
so
that
all
came
out
of
half
of
the
colors
were
purchased
in
2018
and
half
of
them
were
purchased
this
year.
So
that
came
out
of
our
wildlife
program
budget
for
the
collars
and
then
the
cost
of
staffing
is
probably
the
most
significant,
and
so
that
is
probably
not
quite
split
evenly
for
the
for
the
capture.
E
L
K
B
Thank
You
Lee,
as
always,
and
thanks
to
staff
for
making
some
sense,
hammering
that
we
did
the
best
we
could.
We
were
all
over
the
place
and
so
anyway.
Thank
you.
This
really
was
a
helpful
springboard.
So
when
I
looked
at
this
I
wanted
to
add
a
couple
thoughts
to
it.
I
wanted
to
add
before
we
get
into
the
details,
I
wanted
to
add
at
the
front
end
our
thanks
to
the
prairie
dog
working
group
and
the
staff
that
have
worked
on
this.
B
For
so
long
because
I
mean
it
really
wasn't
an
enormous
amount
of
work.
So
I
wanted
to
add
that
at
the
beginning
and
then
I
wanted
to
add
at
the
end
the
thought
that
we
would
certainly
be
open
to
having
more
discussions
with
the
group
about
individual
elements
of
their
plan,
even
if
we
weren't
able
to
support
the
whole
plan
as
a
package
right
now.
B
So
when
I
started
putting
that
in
I
decided
well,
maybe
I'll
just
try
to
compress
all
the
other
things
you
captured
here
into
a
shorter
statement,
and
so
that's
what
I
tried
to
do
and
I
will
acknowledge
by
the
way
of
sharing
blame.
That
Karen
has
looked
at
this
and
add
a
couple
edits
which
I've
incorporated
so
I'll.
Reread
it
very
quickly.
First
OS
BT
wishes
to
thank
the
prairie
dog
working
group
for
the
long
and
difficult
work
they've
undertaken
to
address
this
critical
issue.
B
We
commend
especially
their
recommendations
on
relocation
of
prairie
dogs,
which
will
enable
essential
relocations
to
proceed
in
ways
more
acceptable
to
the
broad
community
and
more
likely
to
succeed
for
the
prairie
dog
colonies.
So
that's
really
the
face.
One
work
and
I
really
do
think
they
move
the
ball
a
long
ways
down
the
road
on
that
and
I
wanted
to
acknowledge
that
for
the
prairie
dog
we're
here
to
face
two
efforts,
we
commend
their
willingness
to
look
at
the
breadth
and
scope
of
the
issues
with
a
long
term
vision.
B
We
believe
there
are
many
aspects
within
their
Phase
two
package
of
recommendations
that
will
be
critical
to
the
management
of
prairie
dog,
so
no
SMP
lands.
However,
we
cannot
endorse
the
recommendations
as
a
whole,
as
the
group
requested
for
the
following
reasons
and
remember:
the
group
said
a
couple
different
times.
We
view
this
as
a
package
which
needs
to
be
moved
forward
as
a
whole.
So
that's
why
I
was
responding
to
that
number.
B
One
Oh
SBT
does
not
have
the
budget
or
staff
resources
to
implement
the
recommendations
and
we
could
add
the
words
as
a
whole,
certainly
open
to
any
and
all
changes
here.
The
recommended
actions
would
impact
directly
many
aspects
of
Oh
SMP
operations,
our
lessees
and
our
neighbors,
as
well
as
many
of
our
critical
grasslands
and
agricultural
lands.
B
It
seems
clear
that
such
a
plan
could
not
be
implemented
successfully
just
on
O
SMP
lands
and
you
could
say
a
lot
more
about
each
one
of
these
points
and
to
close
o
SBT
would
like
to
continue
discussions
with
the
prairie
dog
working
group
and
associated
staff
to
determine
what
initial
steps
could
be
undertaken
within
the
constraints
or
finances
staff
and
Natural
Resources.
As
we
proceed
with
the
master
plan,
development
and
implementation.
M
B
H
L
Like
to
continue
discussions
with
the
prairie
dog
working
group,
at
this
point,
the
prairie
dog
working
group
has
been
they
go
away
right
and
I
jane
could
certainly
decide
to
modify
that
in
the
future.
But
at
least
as
of
today,
that's
kind
of
the
status
of
the
prairie
dog
working
group
is
they
they've
been
asked
to
certainly
stay
engaged.
As
you
know,
individual
very.
B
I
A
That's
a
pretty
stark
statement
and
I'm,
just
wondering
you
know
is
that
one
way
to
think
about
that
is
to
imply
were
just
sort
of
thumbs
down
on
the
whole
thing.
Another
way
to
think
about
that
is,
do
we
mean
well
we're
okay
with
eighty
percent
of
it,
but
we're
not
going
to
it
for
at
this
level,
get
into
the
detail
of
what
we
agree
with
them?
What
we
disagree
with
I'm,
just
wondering
whether
there's
some
unintended
ambiguity.
H
B
A
A
I
thought
the
comment
about
it
was
a
package
was
really
an
agreement
within
the
prairie-dog
working
group
that,
while
some
of
the
members
of
the
group
may
have
liked
some
parts
of
it
and
not
liked
others,
that
having
reached
the
compromises
that
they
reached,
they
and
then
we're
now
taking
this
out
to
various
other
bodies
such
as
ourselves,
didn't
want
to
say
well
actually
I
liked
X
but
I
like
why
that
they
agreed
you
make
a
compromise.
You
defend
the
package
as
a
package,
not
that
that
disempowers
us
from
doing
some
picking
and
choosing
if.
B
A
L
You
think
that
the
discussion
with
the
Priya
dog
working
group
was
that
there
were
a
lot
of
interrelated
pieces
where
one
thing
would
work
well,
as
long
as
you
did
the
other
thing
and
so
I
think
the
feeling
within
the
group
was,
they
really
did
not
want
to
see
it
picked
apart.
They
wanted
it
all
to
be
accepted
now.
Certainly,
my
guess
would
be
not
speaking
for
the
whole
group
that
if,
if
it's
you
know,
they
also
didn't
mean
all
or
nothing.
You
know.
L
If
it's
not
going
to
be
all
they
probably
would
prefer
some
of
it
over
none
of
it.
But
we
did
talk
about
prioritizing
the
actions
and
trying
to
kind
of
pick
out
the.
What
are
your
top
ones,
that
you
really
want
to
see
happen
and,
and
the
group
really
resisted
that
activity
and
wanted
to
be
sure
that
it
was
all
brought
forward
as
a
whole
package.
L
L
Coming
back
to
them
in
the
spring,
with
a
more
in-depth
analysis
like
they
and
you
are
accustomed
to
seeing
from
staff
on
each
individual
item
possible
implementation
plans,
the
implications
of
those
different
phases
and
what
those
would
look
like
so
a
lot
more
detailed
information,
not
necessarily
on
the
full
package,
all
at
once,
but
maybe
realistic
plans
for
implementation.
So
if
council
likes
that
approach,
I
think
that's
what
the
city
manager
is
looking
at
for
staff
to
do.
Do.
L
Think
that
if
it's
the
feedback
that
the
board
would
like
to
give
on
their
recommendations,
I
think
council
will
find
it
very
useful.
I
think
they
probably
have
not
had
the
opportunity
to
follow
the
process
as
closely
as
you
have.
They
have
not
had
the
benefit
of
updates
periodically
by
Carrie,
as
the
process
has
gone
along
so
I.
You
know,
I
think
the
feedback
from
the
boards
is
very
helpful
to
them
to
hear
from
the
different
boards.
E
H
E
B
I
think
part
of
what
we're
conveying
here
is
how
complicated
this
all
is
and
how
much
careful
planning
it
would
take,
and
so
I'm
happy
to
hear
this
idea
of
coming
back
with
more
thought
and
more
analysis.
That
would
give
us
more
time
to
understand
your
views
on
it
and
maybe
start
to
coalesce
around
some
things.
We
think
would
be
first
steps
because,
honestly,
right
now,
if
you
had
to
I,
couldn't
tell
you
where
to
start
it's
it's
a
lot.
Well,.
E
I
H
H
B
I
E
B
A
It's
exactly
that
kind
of
issue,
I
think
there's
dancing
that
particular
one
has
taken
care
of,
but
it's
also
being
aware
of
and
being
sensitive
to.
You
know
that
discussion.
What
I
think
was
more
in
the
nature
of
making
sure
we
have
representation
I,
don't
think
we
meant
to
say,
and
it's
capped
at
two
people
and
therefore
the
other
three
are
and
if
we,
if
we
meant
to
say
it's
captain,
that's
that's
fine,
but
I,
don't
think
we
actually
crossed
that
bridge
and
explicitly
set.
A
You
know
it's
to
end
no
more
than
two
and
if,
if
what
we
mean
is
well,
we've
got
at
least
two,
but
others
may
decide
they
wish
to
attend.
Then
we,
you
know
that
one's
taking
care
of
it
in
the
future.
That
means
we
need
to
be,
you
know
sensitive
to
exactly.
What
are
we
saying
and
we
want
to
notice
that
as
an
open
space,
you
know
board
meetings
so
that
we
have
the
option
the
third
person
wants
to
show
up.
They
show
up
yeah.
A
It
was
akin
to
the
community
workshop,
you
know
it
was
not
some,
you
know
enormous
problem,
but
three
people
did
show
up
and
you
know
one
of
us
was
gonna
have
to
leave
and
okay,
it
would
have
been
an
example
of
where
you
know
thinking
about
it
ahead
of
time
would
probably
should
said.
You
know
why?
Don't
we
just
change
how
this
is
being
noticed
and.
C
Actually
and
a
procedural
document
was
created
to
sort
of
guide
us
on
how
we
would
go
about
doing
this,
and
so
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
took
the
time
to
create
a
procedural
document.
Let's
just
make
sure
we
follow
at
an
allocation,
and
since
we
have
a
some
meetings
coming
up
throughout
the
fall,
we
thought
we
would
just
bring
attention
to
that
right.
A
I
I
A
C
Under
the
process
document
that
was
created,
there
was
a
definition
of
a
public
participation
event
and
it
describes
a
public
participation
event
as
a
type
of
special
meeting
and
public
participation.
Events
include,
but
are
not
limited
to
open
houses,
round
tables,
charettes,
Administrative,
Hearings
workshops
and
other
forms
for
public
participation
used
to
facilitate
or
advance
the
planning
and
operations
of
the
department.
B
D
Some
workshops
like
this,
you
know
we
certainly
could
put
it
in
there
and
say
that
we
expect
members
of
the
council
in
the
part
will
attend
and
that
could
serve
as
public
notice.
But
usually
what
we
like
to
do
is
probably
get
it
only
a
something
if
I'm
wrong,
and
you
could
probably
walk
us
through
some
the
steps,
because
you
know
this.
M
D
M
All
of
the
workshops
will
be
noticed
the
same
way
that
we
noticed
the
board
meeting,
but
basically
using
that
language
that
board
members
will
be
present
having
Tom
talked
about
it
during
the
meeting
just
puts
us
to
be
in
a
little
bit
more
consistent
level
of
things.
So
it's
not
a
nothing's
changing
we're
just
adding
a
placeholder
in
the
agenda,
so
it's
still
being
noticed.
The
same
tom
is
just
stating
it
so
we're
super
clear
so.
C
I
A
B
And
Dan
brought
this
up
before
and
I
appreciate
that
summary
that
he
gave
us
that
council
a
while
back
deliberated
on
flood
mitigation
options
for
South
Boulder
Creek
and
talked
about
variants,
one
and
two
and
in
the
end
they
adopted
variant,
one
with
further
direction
to
look
at
additional
upstream
storage.
Now,
having
watched
that
meeting,
at
least
on
television,
it
was
notable
that
when
councilman
Brocket
brought
up
his
proposal
variant,
that
was
his
preferred
plan.
B
He
said
I
also
endorsed
the
open
space
Board
of
Trustees
mitigation
measures
that
they're
proposing
here
I
think
they're,
very
good
blah
blah
when
variant
two
did
not
receive
majority
of
the
votes.
They
went
on
and
selected
variant
1,
but
there
was
no
discussion
of
the
mitigation
measures
at
that
time
and
my
impression
was
that
wasn't
a
particularly
intentional
act
to
say
we
don't
want
to
do
these
mitigation
measures
that
the
board,
in
our
several
motions
on
July
11th,
put
forward,
as
recommended
mitigations.
B
B
B
A
A
They
you
know
I,
think
normally
I
would
be
very
reluctant
to
sort
of
after
the
council
vote
to
say,
hey
you
sort
of
forgot
about
our
mean
that,
because
you
didn't
do
what
we
told
you
to
do,
that
would
seem
you
know
not
our
place,
but
on
this
one
I
think
it
is
the
nature
of
the
way.
This
came
up
that
it
would
not
be
implying
that
they
disagreed
with
us
and
we
want
them
to
reconsider.
It.
A
I
think
it
is
a
case
where
it
probably
didn't
get
focused
on,
and
there
is
value
and
our
reminding
them
that
this
was
a
from
our
perspective.
At
least
this
was
an
important
piece
and
worth
a
focused
answer.
So
I
could
share
Curt's
suggestion
that
we,
you
know,
send
it
up
the
chain
and
you
know
they'll
do
what
they
do
with
it.
I
agree.
I
I
I
A
E
E
C
E
B
I
E
B
H
H
A
Okay
and
I
had
one
more
thing
and
others
may
have
items
they
wish
to
bring
up
and
during
the
guess
it
was
the
July
meeting
where
we
voted
on
the
package.
One
item
in
that
package
was
a
request.
That's
on
the
disposal
issue
that
we
work
with
staff
to
identify
the
point
in
the
process
where
it
makes
sense
for
us
to
take
this
up
and
I
just
thought
we
might
want
to
spend
a
minute
with
staff
to
think
about.
Well
all
right.
What
is
our
vision
on
that?
A
Obviously,
we
don't
want
to
do
it
too
soon,
where
the
proposal
hasn't
really
taken
shape.
Yet
we
also
wanted
to
too
late
where
there
might
be
a
feeling
of
wow.
You
waited
till
this
process
was
really
far
along
and
then
introduce
this
disposal
notion
which,
depending
on
which,
where
the
boat
goes,
might
be
perceived
as
potentially
derail
or
at
least
complicating
that
process
and
there's
also
additional
notice
issues
associated
with
you
know,
calling
for
a
discussion
of
a
disposal.
B
C
E
A
My
motion
was
in
the
event
that
one
or
more
concepts
proceed
to
preliminary
design.
Os
BT
intends
to
work
with
city
staff
to
identify
the
point
in
the
process
at
which
such
concepts
have
been
sufficiently
designed
and
specified
such
that
OS
PD
can
then
make
a
fully
informed
decision
on
any
disposal,
questions
and.
C
K
No
not
much
tin
but
other
than
probably
that
30
or
60
percent
design
stage
would
be
a
good
point
to
start
to
really
start
to
really
know
whether
they
would
need
any
structures
on
our
properties,
and
you
would
also
have
an
opportunity
at
that
point
to
think
about
the
extent
of
flooding
that
would
be
proposed.
Yes,.
A
I,
don't
think
we
should
vote
on
the
disposal
repeatedly
as
if
at
each
step
or
conducting
a
separate
vote,
maybe
for
now
based
on
what
being
discussed
here.
It
makes
sense
to
just
keep
it
in
the
back
of
our
minds
that
if
we
decide
well
a
60%,
that's
the
one
that
you
know
just
to
pick
one
of
them
that
that's
a
sort
of
a
sensible
point
at
which
to
have
that
discussion.
We're
going
to
need,
probably
at
the
prior
at
the
board
meeting
that
precedes
that
one
to
make
a
clear
decision
that
all
right.
A
A
B
A
Is
as
we
noted
before,
there's
a
question
as
to
whether
or
not
it's
the
disposal
in
the
first
place,
which
is
different
from
the
question
of
well.
If
it
is
a
disposal,
do
you
we
wish
to
grant
it
or
not,
but
there's
a
sort
of
more
preliminary
question
of
will
given
what's
being
proposed,
whatever
that
turns
out
to
be,
does
that
constitute
a
disposal?
You
know
from
our
point
of
view
right.
C
So
staff,
as
I
think
everyone
knows,
staff
preliminary
identified
two
potential.
Should
we
look
at
this
further
and
one
is
structures
and
one
is
additional
inundation
and
had
and
wanted
to
be
proactive
and
looking
at
that
ahead
of
time
and
had
our
city
staff
and
of
course,
you
all
in
the
memo
got
city
staffs
interpretation
as
they
saw
it.
C
E
We
need
to
keep
track
of
the
design
process,
as
it
goes,
I
think
in
a
in
a
more
up-to-date
kind
of
way
than
marking
a
specific
point
for
illegal
disposal.
Discussion
so
and
I'm,
assuming
that,
if,
if
staff
is
represented
at
all
the
meetings
that
utilities
has
and
I
I
keep
hearing
about
meetings
that
you,
the
utilities
Department
is
having
with
Cu
and
so
I
know
that
those
are
going
on.
But
I,
don't
know
how
many
meetings
OS
MP
staff
is
at
the
table
and
involved
in
those
discussions.
E
C
Suggestion
that
I
could
make
it
this
time
is,
and
your
written
packet
today
is
another
rec
amount
in
greenways,
update,
I,
think
that's
almost
the
third
or
maybe
fourth
consecutive
one
you've
received.
We
could
treat
this
project
in
a
similar
light.
It
may
not
be
every
board
meeting,
but
we
are.
We
are
very
engaged
with
utility
staff.
C
You
could
use
those
written
updates
to
say,
and
we
may
even
beat
you
to
it
and
say:
let's
put
it
on
on
a
higher-up
agenda
type
of
thing,
but
you
could
also
use
those
written
updates
to
ask
questions
and
and
and
and
maybe
even
to
call
yourself
saying,
I
think
we
need
to
have
more
of
a
formal
update
that
could
be
an
additional
way
that
we
could
keep
each
other
informed,
yeah.
K
H
B
I
G
E
Really
appreciate
seeing
the
the
diverse
ways
that
the
education
and
Community
Engagement
staff
has
been
involving
so
many
different
members
of
our
community
and
achieving
the
OSM
p
mission.
Okay
and
I,
especially
like
seeing
the
reports
on
the
number
of
volunteers
participating
in
various
things
and
the
percent
increases
and
people
involved
and
so
forth.
E
The
I
really
like
the
the
work
to
train
volunteers
and
thereby
enable
osm
P
to
reach
out
to
more
people
and
have
a
broader
outreach
and
community
impact
and
I,
have
two
quick
questions,
and
it
wasn't
totally
clear
to
me
as
I
read
these
two
on
what
the
expected
takeaway
of
participants
was
and
how
it
fit
with
the
OSM
p
mission.
So
maybe
I
could
just
ask
those
two
and-
and
you
could
give
me
a
quick
response.
E
G
I
know
we've,
given
the
night
hikes
has
been.
You
know,
similar
to
like
the
stargazing
program.
We've
done
that
for
quite
a
while
I
believe
and
I
can
get
back
to
you
with
more
detail
on
it,
but
it's
been
established
for
a
fairly
long
while
and
it's
part
of
some
of
the
things
we
do
on
the
nighttime
Devlin's
led
most
of
those
and
regarding
the
bow
drills.
G
We've
been
teaching
sort
of
outdoor
skills
for
a
while
now
as
well,
and
it's
part
of
that
program
that
give
people
greater
confidence
and
understanding
how
to
explore
nature
and
be
safe
at
the
same
time
and
also
teach
kids
some
basic
skills
as
part
of
sort
of
general
approach
to
practices.
But
if
you
feel
that
it's
not
appropriate
I'd
be
happy
to
follow
it.
G
See
a
point:
it's
a
really
good
question,
I'm,
happy
to
say
that
I
know
from
working
releases
group
for
a
while.
Now
that
we
always
you
know,
invoke
the
Leave,
No
Trace
message,
best
practices
and
it's
also
part
of
the
training
for
staff
to
talk
about,
obviously,
the
rules
and
regulations
with
an
open
space
and
how
we
take
care
of
it.
So
most
of
the
trainings
we
have
or
programs
you
run
include
that
an
example
is
the
Leave.
G
No
Trace
program
is
one
of
the
big
things
we
build
in
to
all
the
types
of
work
we
do
and
all
the
programs
we
deliver.
If
you'd
like
more
details
on
it,
I
can
check
back
in
with
Lisa
and
I
know
they
have
an
update
coming
to
the
board
in
November,
so
they
could
bring
back
more
information.
Then,
for
you
without
me,
getting
into
the
details
which
I
wouldn't
fully
be
able
to
answer.