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City of Boulder OSBT Meeting - 9-9-20
A
Case
I
am
going
to
call
to
order
the
september
9th
2020
meeting
of
the
open
space
board
of
trustees
and
welcome
everyone.
That's
in
the
meeting
either
online
or
on
the
phone,
as
we
do
at
each
meeting,
we'll
start
with
a
roll
call,
hal
halstein.
I'm
president,
karen
holwig
here
dave
koontz
here
and
caroline
miller,.
B
A
Everyone
is
present
leah,
just
a
quick
agenda
overview.
We
have
a
fairly
light
agenda
tonight,
a
nice
change
and
thank
you
to
dan
and
staff
for
making
that
happen.
We
do
not
have
any
public
hearings
on
specific
topics,
but
shortly
after
approval
of
the
minutes,
we
will
have
an
open
comment
on
any
topic,
and
so
at
this
point
I
will
ask
allison
eklund
to
talk
about
the
virtual
meeting
rules
and
the
process
for
signing
up
for
public
comment.
A
B
B
A
A
B
B
So
the
time
for
speaking,
will
be
limited
to
public
comment
at
the
beginning
of
this
meeting,
no
person
shall
speak,
except
when
recognized
by
myself
or
kurt,
and
no
person
shall
speak
for
longer
than
the
time
allotted
so
tonight.
That
will
be
for
three
minutes.
B
Each
person
needs
to
register
with
a
real
name
in
order
to
be
called
upon
to
speak.
So
if
you
are
listed
as
something
like
tom's
ipad,
you
will
be
asked
to
either
rename
yourself
or
you
can
chat
with
me,
and
I
can
rename
that
your
device
for
you,
no
video,
will
be
permitted,
except
for
the
board
members
and
staff
presenting
all
other
participants
will
be
by
voice.
Only
the
person
presiding
at
the
meeting
shall
enforce
these
rules
by
muting.
Anyone
who
violates
so
that's
kurt
if
the
chat
function
is
enabled
which
it
will
be.
B
You
can
communicate
with
me
through
the
chat
and
you
can
send
technical
zoom
related
type
questions
only
and
then
only
the
hosts
and
individuals
designated
by
the
host
will
be
permitted
to
share
their
screen
during
this
meeting.
So
let
me
stop
sharing.
B
B
A
Kurt
and
do
you
do
you
need
to
say
anything
more
about
how
people
should
sign
up
to
speak
elsewhere,.
B
I
don't
I
I
don't
see
anyone
joining
by
phone,
so
yeah
so
other
than
that
they
can
just
raise
their
hand.
A
Okay,
very
good,
well,
we'll
we
will
go
through
the
minutes
and
then
we
will
come
back
to
to
open
comment,
and
so
at
this
point
I
think
we're
ready
to
approve
the
minutes
from
august
12th
2020
do.
Does
anyone
have
a
comment
or
a
correction
for
page
one
of
the
minutes,
karen
and
dave,
I
see
your
hands
up.
Go
ahead,
karen.
D
I
would
like
to
add
two
sentences
and
I've
sent
these
in
writing
to
leah.
I
don't
know
whether
you
want
them
put
up
on
the
screen
through
a
shared
screen
or
not,
but
I
can
read
them.
D
Under
agenda
item
three,
which
has
to
do
with
the
operating
budget,
the
board
asked
questions
to
clarify
budget
cuts
and
staff
reductions,
slash
furloughs
the
board
thanked
staff
for
some
clarification
regarding
the
miscellaneous
revenue
category
and
requested
that
future
budgets-
lee-
I
don't
have
the
copy
in
front
of
me-
provide
a
footnote
to
show
more
detail
for
miscellaneous
totals
and
other
unusually
large
dollar
amounts.
E
So,
karen,
what
you
read
is
what
you
would
like
to
have
put
in
the
minute.
A
Okay,
any
questions
or
concerns
about
karen's
addition
to
agenda
item
three.
E
Yes
on
agenda
item
six
and
karen
may
have
something
to
add
to
that
as
well.
So.
A
E
Yeah,
the
last
paragraph
on
page
two,
the
second
sentence
which
starts
karen
and
dave
worked
leah.
I
would
suggest
that
the
language
actually
read
karen
and
dave
reported
on
edits
to
the
draft
osbt
combined
and
sorted
recommendations
to
council
on
the
south,
boulder
creek
flood
mitigation
project,
comma
2018,
to
2020
just
to
make
sure
we're
clear
and
accurate
on
what
we
edited.
D
A
D
I
have
one
more
under
agenda
item
four:
okay,
a
sentence
that
says
karen
holweg
asked.
If
the
human
relations
commission,
which
is
responsible
for
indigenous
people's
day,
should
not
be.
D
A
D
A
A
B
We
don't
have
any
signed
up,
so
we
could
just
ask
now
if
any,
we
only
have
one
person
from
the
public
in
attendance
so
far,
so.
A
A
B
It
is
a
little
unusual,
in
fact,
I
just
had
phil
yates
call
in
from
his
phone
to
make
sure
that
that
was
working
too.
A
G
Actually
are
going
to
start
off
the
evening
with
with
something
the
department
certainly
feels
is
exciting.
We're
going
to
introduce
to
you
one
of
our
newer
program
areas.
That's
been
recently
formalized.
G
As
most
of
you
know,
the
department
has
broken
up
if
you
will
or
sort
of
divided
into
four
service
areas
and
underneath
each
of
those
service
areas,
there's
a
number
of
work
groups
or
program
areas,
and
so
we
felt
a
need
to
have
a
specific
formalized
program
area,
around
recreation
management
that
could
span
across
all
of
the
service
areas,
and
so
that
was
one
of
the
motivations
behind
this
and
formalizing.
This
was
actually
building
on
some
past
attempts
to
have
a
focused
program,
area
and
staff
position.
G
That's
dedicated
to
recreation
management
and
what
this
new
program
area
will
seek,
you
know
is
to
build
on
the
quality
work.
That's
that
has
been
undone
the
past
and
and
to
help,
coordinate
and
implement
recreation
management
and
policy
for
the
department.
G
So
we
have
a
few
presenters
that
are
folks
that
are
working
in
this
new
formalized
program
area
and
I'm
gonna
start
off
by
introducing
adam
gaylord.
Our
recreation
ecologist,
who
is
supervising
this
program
area
and
I
believe
adam,
will
be
the
first
to
speak
and
he'll
introduce
some
of
the
some
of
his
colleagues
who
are
working
in
this
area.
So
adam
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you
all.
I
Right
thanks
dan
really
appreciate
it,
and
thank
you
to
the
board
for
having
us
this
evening.
We
really
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
share
the
recreation
stewardship
program
with
you
next
slide.
Please,
today
we're
going
to
lead
you
through
a
discussion
of
recreation
management
at
osmp
and
why
the
recreation
stewardship
program
was
created,
our
big
picture
vision
for
the
program
and
a
little
bit
about
what
each
of
us
in
the
program
does
next
slide.
I
But
first
I'm
going
to
tell
you
a
little
bit
more
about
who
we
are.
As
dan
said,
my
name
is
adam
gaylord,
I'm
the
recreation,
ecologist
and
the
supervisor
for
the
recreation
stewardship
program.
I
have
my
masters
in
wildlife
management
and
I've
been
at
osmp
for
almost
five
years
now,
formerly
with
the
ecological
stewardship
work
group,
I'm
lucky
enough
to
work
with
lisa
gonzalo,
who
has
a
master's
in
recreation
management
and
brings
seven
years
as
an
osmp
ranger
to
the
recreation
coordinator
role
and
jake
engelman.
Who
is
our
temporary
trails
research
coordinator?
I
I
I
Here
I've
highlighted
some
of
the
work
groups
whose
core
duties
are:
recreation,
related
rangers
and
orange
trails
and
green
planning
in
purple
education
and
outreach
and
yellow
every
group
handles
some
aspect
of
recreation
management
on
osmb
and-
and
it's
certainly
not
limited
to
these
groups,
and
while
each
of
these
groups
is
quite
good
at
what
they
do,
the
pardon
the
department
identified
a
need
for
a
single
program
to
bring
their
efforts
together
and
integrate
the
efforts
and
serve
as
a
home
for
our
overarching
recreation
policy,
including
programs
that
don't
readily
fit
into
any
one
of
these
programs.
I
The
voice
insight
tag
program,
for
example.
Hence
the
creation
of
the
rec
stewardship
program
down
here
in
red
and
which
is
part
of
the
resource
and
stewardship
of
division.
I
think,
is
not
the
right
word,
but
yeah
part
of
research
and
stewardship
so
to
zoom
in
on
us
a
little
bit
more
next
slide.
Please.
I
The
restoration
program
here
in
orange
is
within
the
recreation
and
cultural
stewardship
group,
which
is
also
home
to
human
dimensions,
which
we
work
with
closely
on
things
like
voice
and
site
compliance
monitoring,
among
other
things,
as
dan
said,
we
introduced
the
program
in
early
2019
and
spent
most
of
the
year
in
a
detailed
scoping
effort,
talking
individuals
and
work
groups
and
identifying
opportunities
and
clarifying
roles
and
responsibilities
to
understand
where
we
fit
in
the
department.
I
I
So
I'm
going
to
start
with
the
larger
vision
for
the
recreation
stewardship
program.
These
are
the
big
picture
themes
we've
identified
and
I'll
get
a
little
bit
more
in
depth
into
each
of
these
in
a
minute,
but
our
vision
is
to
serve
as
the
home
for
recreation
management,
on
osmp
to
champion
research
and
data,
integration,
bridge
the
gap
between
recreation
and
preservation
and
to
improve
conservation
through
regulatory
compliance.
Next
slide,
please
delving
a
little
deeper.
As
I
said,
the
program
was
created
to
serve
as
a
home
for
recreation
management.
I
That
means
helping
to
develop
and
apply
consistent
recreation
policy
and
best
practices.
System-Wide
and
much
like
the
ecological
stewardship
group
serves
as
subject
matter.
Experts
for
all
things,
ecology,
recreation
stewardship,
can
serve
that
role
for
recreation
management,
representing
rec
management,
in
planning
efforts
and
infrastructure
projects.
I
Another
primary
goal
is
to
better
integrate
research
and
data
into
management
decisions
which,
of
course
relates
to
the
master
plan
strategy,
developing
developing
a
laboratory
approach
to
conservation,
which
includes
the
research
we
conduct
within
our
program,
like
jake's
trail
condition.
Monitoring
that
he'll
tell
you
a
little
bit
more
about
and
then
other
data
from
from
within
osmp,
like
all
the
great
visitor
use
data
that
human
dimensions
collects
and
research
that's
conducted
locally
nationally
worldwide.
That
can
inform
how
we
manage
osmp
next
slide.
Please.
I
We
also
seek
to
build
and
strengthen
bridges
both
internally
between
all
the
programs.
Doing
such
great
recreation
related
work,
but
also
a
larger
conceptual
bridge
between
conservation
and
responsible
recreation.
I
Now,
when
I
use
the
term
regulatory
compliance,
I
use
it
in
a
broad
sense
here,
including
osmp's
own
regulations,
such
as
looking
for
opportunities
to
simplify
the
regulatory
landscape,
to
make
rules
easier
for
our
public
to
understand
and
follow,
and
more
important
and
more
and
more
consistent
for
our
rangers
to
enforce,
also
working
with
eno
staff
to
develop
clear
messaging,
around
osmp
regulations,
both
of
which
lisa
will
tell
you
a
little
bit
more
about,
but
also
maintaining
compliance
with
local
state
and
federal
environmental
laws
and
regulations
which
I'll
tell
you
a
little
bit
more
about
later,
and
with
that,
I'm
going
to
hand
it
over
to
lisa
gonzalo,
to
tell
you
a
little
bit
more
about
what
she
does.
I
J
Day,
thank
you
adam
just
waiting
for
the
slide
to
change
here.
I'm
lisa,
gonzalo
recreation
coordinator
and
the
vision
statement
for
the
recreation
management
program
is
promoting
safe
and
responsible
recreation
while
fostering
an
appreciation
of
the
outdoors
for
current
and
future
generations.
Next
slide,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
recreation
related
work
stretches
across
a
lot
of
work
groups
at
open
space
and
beginning
with
the
proactive
management
solution
square
at
the
top
of
the
slide.
J
This
area
includes
things
like
regulatory
design,
trail
design,
science
and
messaging
education,
outreach
rangers.
The
list
goes
on
and
on,
and
so
the
work
of
recreation
management
is
to
bring
into
alignment
all
of
these
efforts
built
around
the
importance
of
visitor
safety
and
natural
resource
protection,
the
goal
of
which
I
was
achieving.
What
we're
calling
natural
intuitive
compliance
was
minimal,
negative
impact,
the
visitor
experience
whenever
it's
possible.
J
This
allows
visitors
to
have
a
positive
experience
allowing
for
opportunities
to
build
lifelong
memories
like
hiking
to
a
new
peak,
getting
married
or
discovering
new
locations
with
your
family,
these
memories
and
still
a
stewardship
ethic
and
motivates
visitors
to
want
to
protect
these
places
for
future
generations.
In
essence,
we're
creating
partners
to
work
alongside
us
as
responsible
recreationists
and
stewards
next
slide.
J
In
a
2003
international
journal
of
wilderness
article
by
robert
e
manning,
he
classified
problem
behaviors
of
wilderness
visitors
into
five
basic
types
listed
in
the
problem
column
there,
on
the
left
hand,
side
followed
by
an
example
and
then
by
the
potential
effectiveness
of
information
and
education
for
each.
The
pictures
on
the
left
are
of
open
space.
Specific
examples
taken
right
here
at
home,
beginning
with
those
categories
highlighted
in
green.
These
are
identified
as
actions
that
would
have
a
higher
effectiveness
rate
with
education
and
information.
J
These
include
careless
actions
like
littering
unskilled
actions
like
getting
stuck
on
a
rock
or
uninformed
actions
like
this
child.
Picking
wildflowers
in
the
meadow
those
highlighted
in
blue
are
less
likely
for
education
and
information
to
change
behavior
and
require
more
of
a
heavy-handed
approach
such
as
enforcement
action.
J
These
would
involve
things
like
illegal
actions
which
are
deliberate,
such
as
camping
or
having
a
campfire
on
open
space
or
down
below
an
unavoidable
action.
It's
not
intentional,
but
the
example
here
we
have
is
that
the
paraglider
having
to
emergency
land
in
a
prohibited
area
for
their
own
safety,
due
to
perhaps
a
changing
weather
condition
and
if
you'll
notice
that
the
blue
and
green
colors
correspond
to
the
work
that
I
do,
which
will
be
shown
on
the
next
slide.
J
So
papa's
agreement
related
to
the
education
information
section.
The
goco
messaging
study
is
a
grant
funded
research
study
in
partnership
with
jefferson,
county
and
el
dorado
state
parks
to
look
at
effectiveness
with
trail,
courtesy,
messaging
and
yielding
we
are.
We
were
expecting
the
results
this
year,
but
due
to
covert,
unfortunately,
we're
delayed
by
one
year
so
stay
tuned
for
2021..
J
Leave.
No
trace
is
a
non-profit
organization
based
here
in
boulder
responsible
for
developing
the
leave,
no
trace
principles
which
you're
probably
familiar
with,
and
then
finally,
the
enjoy
protect
messaging
campaign
that
we're
building,
which
was
centered
on
responsible
recreation
and
the
idea
was
born
out
of
the
visitor
master
plan
below
that
are
some
examples
of
the
partnerships
we
have
with
recreational
user
groups.
J
This
is
a
department-wide
effort
to
build
relationships
and
partner
with
these
groups
to
understand
what
we
can
do
to
improve
their
experience,
while
working
with
them
to
address
any
concerns
that
we
might
be
seeing
on
our
system
in
blue.
There
is
the
recreation
regulatory
piece,
and
this
is
working
very
closely
with
the
rangers
on
this
one,
but
recreation
management
is
home
for
recreational
regulatory
review
and
generation
of
new
regulations
and,
lastly,
program
coordination.
F
Section
hello
again:
this
is
jake
engelman
trail
research
coordinator,
you
might
remember
me
from
the
undesignated
trail
survey.
Presentation
last
fall,
I'm
here
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
trial
research
program,
so
the
vision
of
the
program
is
supporting
resource
and
infrastructure
stewardship
by
informing
adaptive
management
decisions
next
slide.
F
So
really,
the
primary
focus
of
the
trailer
research
program
is
on
research
and
data
integration,
so
some
big
examples
of
some
ongoing
five-year
monitoring
cycles,
the
designated
trail
monitoring,
which
informs
prioritization
of
trail
maintenance
and
the
effectiveness
of
trail
design
concepts
and
also
informing
maintenance
cycles
and
undesignated
trail
monitoring
which
informs
prioritization
of
management
efforts.
F
Registration
of
restoration
projects,
planning
process,
trail
design
process,
and
these
projects
have
kind
of
morphed
into
some
different
discrete
projects
like
the
climbing
access
inventory
that
lisa
just
mentioned,
which
will
inform
department-wide
effort
on
climbing
management
and
outdoor
recreation
access
route
inventory,
which
focuses
on
trailhead
trails
and
facility
trails,
and
really
focusing
on
accessibility
in
those
next
slide.
F
So
an
example
of
some
of
the
research
and
data
integration,
here's
a
map
of
the
high
plains
trail.
This
is
a
small
section
trail
that
was
rerouted
in
2018
with
the
help
of
some
bike
volunteers.
So
the
2015
trailer
condition
monitoring
data
showed
some
urgent
repairs
necessary
on
the
trail.
It
was
too
steep.
It
was
eroding
the
resource
staff
also
identified
a
way
to
bring
that
trail
out
of
a
wetland,
and
so
you
can
see
the
follow-up
condition,
monitoring,
showing
some
improved
conditions
and
really
that
detailed
trend.
Information
next
slide.
F
So
here's
just
an
example
of
some
of
the
data
points
that
we
have.
So
these
are
photos.
We
have
photos
of
every
about
every
20
feet
of
our
designated
trail
system.
So
on
the
top,
you
can
see
some
insights
into
revegetation
on
a
trail
that
you
might
miss
otherwise,
and
some
work
done
in
the
bottom
pictures
for
some,
like
cattle
guard
installation
next
slide.
F
Another
primary
focus
of
the
trail
research
program
is
on
data
analysis
and
stewardship.
So
taking
that
more
detailed
data
and
summarizing
it
in
a
way
that
can
be
useful
in
some
long-term
trends.
So
this
is
a
map
of
condition,
scores
of
trail
segments
from
zero
to
100,
similar
to
what
our
transportation
department
uses
for
their
road
maintenance,
and
it's
really
just
focused
on
that
long
term
trend.
You
know
we
can
do
cost
estimating
on
deferred
maintenance
asset
management,
estimating
maintenance
cycles.
F
We
can
just
really
look
at
the
effectiveness
of
our
trial
management
next
slide,
a
more
public
facing-
and
I
presented
this
a
couple
years
ago
to
the
board
the
trail,
difficulty
and
access
information.
So
this
is
again
just
a
summary
of
that
more
detailed
information
and
how
it
can
inform
a
visitor
on
different
hikes
throughout
the
system
and
they
can
really
choose
what
their
needs
need
and
really
focus
on
that
accessibility
piece
for
visitors
next
slide.
F
So
really,
I
last
want
to
touch
on
how
the
trailers
program
fits
into
the
adaptive
management
process.
Here's
an
example
using
the
trail
condition
monitoring
that
I've
been
discussing,
so
this
is
just
showing
how
the
data
informs
the
design
and
work
which
informs
trail
management
objectives,
how
we
build
for
different
uses
and
the
trail
management
project
work
and
all
those
processes
inform
one
another.
So
it's
it's
really
a
cycle
and
we
keep
learning
about
our
trail
management
and
with
that
I'll
hand
it
back
over
to.
I
Adam
all
right,
thanks
jake
again,
this
is
adam
gaylord.
Tell
you
a
little
bit
more
about
the
recreation
ecology
program
which
is
centered
around
the
premise
of
improving
improving
policy
and
practice
through
a
better
understanding
of
the
interface
of
recreation
and
ecology,
both
of
which
recreation
ecology,
of
course,
touch
everything
we
do,
and
every
work
group
at
osmp
next
slide.
I
Please
better
understanding
how
the
interface
and
interact
means
research
and
data
both
designing
and
implementing
studies
on
osmp
and
keeping
track
of
research
findings
from
all
over
the
world
and
then
using
the
findings
from
both
to
inform
management
decisions
and
planning
efforts
and
individual
projects
next
slide.
Please.
I
This
is
the
high
plains
trail
reroute,
that
jake
introduced
you
to
a
project,
was
complete
in
2018
and
consisted
of
building
a
new
section
of
trail,
which
is
in
that
lovely
purple,
or
no
the
new
sections
in
the
turquoise
and
closing
and
restoring
the
old
section
of
trail,
which
is
in
purple
there
there's
a
good
little
project
that
the
trail
staff
did
a
really
good
job
with
it's
been
about
very
well
received,
especially
by
the
biking
community,
and
it's
a
good
example
of
the
type
of
project
I
work
on.
I
As
a
recreation
ecologist,
I
provided
an
initial
design
feedback
generally
about
avoiding
and
minimizing
impacts
to
natural
resources,
in
this
case
the
lovely
little
herbaceous
wetlands
surrounding
the
drainage-
and
I
also
coordinate
review
by
other
ecological
and
cultural
resource
staff
to
make
sure
the
right
people
are
brought
into
the
project
at
the
right
time.
For
example,
we
might
not
bring
in
the
restoration
ecologist
into
the
project
until
the
design
is
finalized
and
we
need
to
discuss
the
details
of
restoring
the
closed
section
of
trail.
I
I
also
manage
any
local
state
and
federal
environmental
permitting
that's
necessary,
which
of
course
means
staying
abreast
of
any
changes
in
environmental
law,
for
example,
the
changes
to
the
federal
clean
water
act
that
took
effect
earlier
this
year
and
then
coordinating
with
the
permanent
agencies
to
obtain
necessary
permits
and
clearances
for
this
project.
It
was
the
city
of
boulder
wetlands
permit
to
restore
the
closed
trail
near
the
drainage.
I
Finally,
keep
an
eye
on
the
project
during
construction
to
make
sure
we
follow
our
ecological
best
practices
and
then
after
construction.
I
monitor
revegetation
of
the
site
to
make
sure
restoration
is
successful.
That's
generally
three
to
five
years
or
whatever
is
mandated
by
the
permit,
and
then
I
report
the
progress
to
the
pertinent
agency
next
slide.
Please
so
that's
the
recreation
stewardship
program
and
the
kind
of
work
we
do.
I
We
serve
as
a
home
for
recreation
management,
building,
cohesion
among
staff
efforts,
promoting
stewardship,
championing
research
and
data
and
improving
regulatory
compliance
next
slide,
and
with
that
I'd
like
to
thank
you
again
for
your
time
and
we'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
You.
I
K
Am
I
unmuted?
Yes,
I
am
okay.
Thank
you
adam.
That
was
a
really
great
presentation.
I'm
very
excited
for
the
program,
just
a
quick
question,
because
I
heard
you
talk
about
the
biking
community
after
and
I
know
that
you
guys
had
the
slide
up.
That
talked
about
all
of
our
partnerships,
whether
it
was
the
climbing
community
or
I
saw
the
horseback
riding
community
did
we
did.
We
have
a
partnership
with
anyone
in
the
biking
community
at
this
time.
I
Lisa
I'm
going
to
let
you
speak
a
little
bit
more
to
that.
If
you
would
please.
J
Yeah
happy
to
border
my
mountain
biking
alliance
is
primarily
the
the
group
that
we
work
with
directly
yep
and
I
might
not
necessarily
be
the
staff
person
that
has
the
most
communication
with
them.
But
as
mentioned
also
it's
it's
a
department-wide
initiative,
and
so
we
do
have
other
staff
members
more
familiar
with
working
with
bma.
K
Yeah
great
well,
thank
you.
It
was
a
great
presentation
and-
and
I'm
really
excited
for
it,
and
I
love
that
in
your
vision
statement.
You
know
you
spoke
about
future
generations
and
you
know
I'm
sure
we
all
want
our
children
to
be
able
to
enjoy
boulder
as
much
as
we
do.
So
that
was
a
really
great
presentation.
Thank
you
appreciate
it
thanks.
E
Yeah,
I
have
a
question
for
jake
jake
when
you're
doing
your.
You
know
trail
evaluations,
I,
how
long
does
it
take
to
get
around
the
entire
trail
system?
Can
you
do
that
in
one
year
or
is
that
a
multi-multiple
year
project
or
what.
F
Yeah
dave,
so
that's
on
a
five-year
cycle,
it's
it's
kind
of
like
the
undesignated
trails.
So
I'm
doing
a
fifth
of
the
system
a
year.
Our
system
is
divided
into
five
trail
maintenance
zones.
So
I
focus
on
one
a
year.
It's
it's
pretty
slow
going,
but
I'm
able
to
do
it.
E
So
when
you
for
any
given
year,
then
how
do
you
integrate
what
you
you
know
evaluate
or
determine
on
the
ground
into
the
next
year's
work
program.
F
So
each
of
those
maintenance
zones
has
a
trail
coordinator
assigned
to
it.
So
I
meet
with
them
and
go
over
some
of
my
big
picture
findings
and
we
even
get
into
some
of
the
detailed
data
so
and
I
can
provide
them
with
any
information
that
way.
I
have
a
pretty
close
working
relationship
with
all
of
them.
G
Great
and
dave,
if
I
can
follow
up
a
little
bit
with
that
too,
so
we
talk
a
lot.
You
might
have
heard
the
term
beehive
our
asset
management
software
system,
our
database
system,
so
a
lot
of
the
information
that
we're
collecting,
whether
it's
regards
to
our
conditions
of
our
facilities
or
condition,
especially
the
condition
of
our
trails.
All
that
data
is
also
fed
into
this
into
our
beehive
system.
G
E
And
one
last
thing:
so:
we've
talked
about
a
100
million
dollar
estimated.
You
know
trail
maintenance,
backlog,
so
jake.
Thank
you
in
any
given
year
kind
of
what's
your
sense
of
how
that
you
know
backlog
is
being
addressed.
In
other
words,
are
we
are
we
catching
up
or
are
we
you
know
maintaining,
or
are
we
still
losing
ground.
F
That's
a
tough
question:
I
think
that
it
varies
depending
on
different
areas,
but
we're
starting
to
have
data
points
to
kind
of
show
how
we've
improved.
So
I've
only
monitored
two
zones
to
compare
from
2015
to
2019.
I
compare
one
and
if
there
was
improvement
in
that
zone.
So
if
I
see
similar
improvement
throughout
the
system,
then
we're
making
progress.
So
it
looks
like
progress,
but
I
am
not
all
the
way
through
the
five-year
cycle
to
start
to
look
at
trends,
but
that
will
be
coming.
D
I
have
a
few
historical
kind
of
background
questions.
First
of
all,
I
think
I
heard
somebody
say
that
the
enjoy
and
protect
came
from
the
master
plan
process.
I
pulled
out
the
2005
visitor
master
plan
to
look
up
something
today
and
it
was
used
back
in
200
2005
and
my
guess
is
before
that.
So
it
very
much
predates
the
master
plan.
It's
a
more
historical
slogan
or
logo
than
that.
E
Actually,
you're
right,
it
was
part
of
the
visitor
master
plan
process.
It
did
not
predate
the
visitor
master
plan,
it
came.
G
D
G
The
numbers-
oh,
I
don't
have
the
numbers
at
the
top
of
my
head
or
finger
so
I'll,
look
to
mark
and
see
if
if
he
may
actually
know
that.
C
With
kind
of
the
short
bitly
links
to
our
website,
they
get
a
few
more
hits
and
just
a
few
than
the
qr
codes,
so
they're
not
widely
used.
Unfortunately,
but
as
hal
said
that
you
know
times
are
changing
that
may
change
and
evolve.
We
currently
do
have
them
on
some
of
our
science
but,
like
I
said,
they're,
just
not
very
much
used.
K
Yeah,
it's
interesting.
I
have
just
started,
and
I
I
think
it's
been
around
for
a
while,
but
but
with
google
translate
now
you
don't
have
to
type
text.
You
can
just
open
the
app
and
hold
it
over
a
language,
and
it
can,
you
know,
translate
it
into
that,
so
that
would
make
it
really
easy,
for
you
know
the
older
population
that
that
you
know
doesn't
want
to
type
in
everything.
K
So
I
I
kind
of
agree
that
somehow
having
those
is
is
definitely
you
know
the
way
of
the
future
and
as
signs
deteriorate
or
or
need
maintenance
that
it
just.
It
seems
like
a
good
idea-
and
I
hear
you
that
it
that
it's
not
catching
on
at
the
moment,
but
if
there's
any
way
to
to
continue
to
have
that,
be
an
option
that
we
look
at.
K
I
think
that
that
would
be
a
good
idea,
and
then
I
think
that
my
other
question
was
if
anyone
was
able
just
to
talk
to
me
at
the
beginning,
we
talked
a
bit
about
the
the
junior
rangers
and
and
how
to
bring
them
in
from
diverse
backgrounds,
and
I
didn't
know
if
there
was
anything
more
to
to
add
to
that.
K
I
know
this
year
with
covid
everything's
been
you
know
a
bit
different,
but
are
we
do
using
amistad
to
perhaps
find
you
know
our
younger
population
to
come
into
junior
rangers.
K
H
Yeah,
no,
it's
a
great
question,
caroline
and
I
think
that's
a
as
lauren
and
I
work
with
staff
on
the
department
equity
team.
We
can
bring
an
update
on
the
various
efforts
like
hiring
practices
and
even
actually
the
contract
we
set
up
with
health.
Central
amistad
was
somewhat
innovative
in
terms
of
working
with
a
non-profit,
so
on
the
procurement
side-
and
these
are
various
things
we
can
talk
about.
H
Yes,
natasha
steinman
who's,
a
supervisor
on
the
junior
ranger
program
has
been
looking
at
how
to
increase
diversity
working
with
local
community
members
and
obviously
it
was
put
on
hold
this
year,
but
would
like
to
pick
that
back
up
next
year
and
yeah
we'd
love
to
bring
back
more
information
on
that
as
we
develop
these
various
efforts.
K
Yeah,
I
was
really
happy
to
hear
that.
I
think
that
that
is
a
good
idea
and
then
my
final
question
kind
of
tags
off
of
the
qr
codes
and
again
this
is
this-
is
science,
so
this
might
not
be
the
right
place
for
this,
or
maybe
dan
can
answer
it
a
little
bit
better.
But
I
love
my
boulder
trails
app
and
while
we
were
speaking,
I
was
playing
with
it
to
see.
G
Yeah,
I
have
never
had
that
conversation
with
any
staff
people,
so
that
is
an
interesting
idea.
I
think
it's
something
that
we
reach
out
to
our
ris
staff
and
others
and
toss
that
idea
around.
K
Yeah,
it
might
be
a
good
option
if
the
if
the
qr
codes
aren't
working
at
least
you
know
perhaps
see
if,
if
downloading
that
app
and
knowing
that
everything
you
do
on
there
can
can
be
in
various
languages.
Maybe
that
could
could
be
the
in-between
from
from
until
until
everyone
loves
qr
codes.
C
E
I
hate
to
be
considered
in
the
same
group
as
he,
but
in
any
event,
it
would
be
nice
to
know
their
relationship
to
what
we're
talking
about.
So
that's
one
question
and
then
juliette.
I
actually
have
a
a
a
focused
question,
so
I
sent
you
a
you
know:
email,
you
and
mark
an
email
today
on
the
questionnaire.
E
Is
it
possible
for
for
us
just
to
get
a
copy
for
the
board
to
get
a
copy
of
the
questionnaire?
So
we
can
see
you
know
kind
of
the
questions
on
it
and
my
question
now
to
you
is
the
participants
in
there
you
said
that
there
were
63
responses,
so
were
were
those
self-selected
or
were
visitors,
you
know
on
the
system
surveyed
or
how
were
those
responses
gotten.
D
C
E
Yeah
sort
of
kind
of
I've
never
done
that
before,
but
yeah.
I
can
do
that.
C
And
then,
as
far
as
the
the
questionnaire,
so
we
sent
it
out
using
el
centromestad's
contacts,
so
they
did
an
email
blast,
whatsapp
facebook
to
all
of
their
connections,
which
karen
I'm
not
sure
what
that
total
number
is.
I
will
have
to
touch
base
with
them
and
get
back
to
you
on
that.
C
I
know
they're
very
widespread
in
the
community,
but
I
don't
I
don't
have
that
exact
number
and
so,
as
far
as
the
63
responses,
it's
actually
quite
a
good
number.
I
mean,
if
you
think
about
you,
know
our
broad
community
is
what
a
hundred
thousand
and
we're
happy
when
we
get.
You
know,
200
responses
to
a
questionnaire,
it's
a
it's
a
tricky
thing
to
get
responses
to,
and
so
in
addition
to
el
centro
amistad,
sharing
that
link
with
their
community
contacts.
C
We
also
through
the
city,
have
community
connectors,
so
local
community
members,
who
are
spanish
speakers
who
network
within
their
community
and
help
us
engage
with
various
projects
and
the
link
was
distributed
through
the
connectoris
community
connectors
and
then
also
through
our
open
space
contacts
and
then
the
citywide
facebook
page
in
spanish.
C
That
was
one
of
the
questions
on
the
questionnaire
and,
like
I
said,
we
haven't
had
time
to
analyze
the
results
yet,
but
I
think
at
a
glance
I
did
see
that
about
35
percent
responded
that
they
had
been
to
some
ponds,
which
was
one
of
the
questions.
I
E
Least,
you
know
motorized
transportation
options
in
in
order
to
get
there,
which
is,
you
know
somewhat
surprising
to
me.
What
I'm
wondering
is,
if
why
didn't
we
target
at
san,
juan
del
centro
or
or
you
know,
an
area
that
actually
has
a
either
a
greenways
or
an
open
space
trail
close
by
to
see
kind
of
what
the
use
is
of
of
those
facilities.
By
that
you
know,
community,
that's
that's
close
by
there
that
they,
they
can
actually
walk
to
the
area.
C
So
we
we
did
look
at
that
was
one
of
our
criteria
was
access
by
multimodal
transportation,
along
with
the
other
criteria
listed
on
that
side,
and
it
is
believe
it
or
not.
It's
just
barely
over
a
mile
from
a
bus
stop,
so
it
is
close
to
a
bus
route
as
close
or
closer
to
a
bus
route
than
some
of
our
other
potential
options
and
with
all
of
the
amenities
and
the
fact
that
we
again
based
on
the
visitor
survey.
We
know
that
spanish
speakers
are
already
familiar
with
it.
C
We
know
that
word
of
mouth
is
another
way
that
these
community
members
really
learn
and
explore
new
territories,
so
that
was
also
one
of
the
contributing
factors
and
because
it's
a
little
bit
isolated
and
it
is
going
to
be
easier
for
us
to
kind
of
look
at
that
before
versus
after
rather
than
an
area
where
it
might
have.
You
know
three
different
access
points
and
then
well.
We
have
one
sign
at
an
entrance
point,
but
it's
harder
to
actually
gauge
the
the
difference.
E
D
D
C
I
think
it
definitely
there.
There
are
challenges
around
the
the
virtual
focus
groups
and
I
think
nelson
tramastad's
reach
goes
beyond
boulder.
There
were
many
many
folks
from
the
surrounding
areas
as
well.
Just
like
you
know,
many
of
our
visitors
from
the
broader
community
are
boulder
county
and
beyond
too.
E
And
I
think
that
just
reflects
the
conundrum
that
the
city
of
boulder
faces,
many
of
the
much
of
the
population
is
actually
non-residential
because
they
can't
afford
to
live
here
and
so
they're.
Actually
it's
more
of
a
boulder
county
phenomenon
than
the
city
of
boulder
right.
I
don't
know
julia
you.
You
maybe
have
some
thoughts
on
this,
but
I
suspect
that
spanish-speaking
residents
of
boulder
are
are
actually
pretty
limited
and
many
of
the
visitors
to
the
open
space
are
probably
reside
outside
of
the
city
of
boulder.
D
But
my
as
you've
indicated
dave,
my
interactions
with
the
spanish-speaking
members
of
the
city
have
been
primarily
in
specific
neighborhoods
within
the
city
right,
and
my
experience
has
been
that
going
to
those
neighborhoods
as
as
opposed
to
expecting
those
people
to
come
somewhere
else
has
been
a
good
way
to
impact.
E
A
Any
other
thoughts
for
juliet.
A
Well,
there's
a
lot
here
to
think
about
julia.
Thank
you
very
much.
It's
very
thought-provoking,
as
you
can
tell,
and
we
thank
you
for
your
presentation.
Okay,.
E
Kurt
can
I
just
ask
one
more
juliette
we're
coming
back
to
the
age-old
cost
question:
do
you
have
any
notion
of
kind
of
for
the
pilot,
what
the
costs
were
anticipating.
C
D
G
Thanks
julia
thanks
mark
we'll
bring
mark
back
in
at
the
very
end
of
the
meeting
kurt
just
a
heads
up.
We
just
want
to
acknowledge
a
retirement
coming
up
in
the
staff,
so
I'll
ask
mark
to
just
make
that
announcement
at
the
at
the
end
of
after
board
matters.
G
Okay,
so
yeah,
just
the
final
item
from
staff
is,
is
we
we
have
a
shortened
a
short,
very
short
report
out,
as
probably
most
of
you
know,
last
tuesday
night
council
approved
the
osbt's
preferred
alternative
recommendation
eight
to
one,
and
there
were
it
was
approved,
as
is
the
motion.
There
was
no
amendments
or
variation
from
what
was
recommended
to
them
from
board
and
staff.
G
So
we
we
have
some
clear
direction
now,
and
so
what
we'll
be
doing
is
transitioning
from
a
planning
phase
and
an
engagement
phase
more
into
an
implementation
phase,
and
just
so
you
just
so
you
know
of
I've-
asked
john
potter
to
sort
of
sponsor
the
implementation
phase.
John
was
also
the
sponsor
of
the
planning
phase
with
mark
gershman.
As
the
project
manager.
G
I've
asked
john
if
he
would
make
sure
that
our
implementation
is
well
coordinated,
efficient,
that
staffs
talking
to
each
other,
that
we
have
good
communications,
internal
and
external
and
so
john
will
be
sort
of
putting
together
a
framework
for
implementation,
just
to
make
sure
we're
able
to
be
effective
and
as
possible
and
that
we're
communicating
well
with
each
other
and
with
the
communicate
and
with
the
board,
of
course,
and
with
the
community.
G
So
that's
what
we're
doing
is
we're
gearing
up
for
implementation
of
the
preferred
alternative.
We
of
course,
are
already
an
implementation
phase
in
the
prairie
dog
working
group
recommendations,
and
that
will
continue,
and
so
one
of
the
next
things
you'll
see
out
of
prairie
dog
management
is
we'll
probably
be
announcing
to
you
all
the
date
for
our
annual
meeting.
That
would
be
coming
up
later.
G
This
fall,
which
will
invite
community
members
and
stakeholders
and,
of
course,
the
board
to
our
annual
meeting
on
prairie
dog
management,
which
will
report
out
on
activities
in
in
regards
to
management
and
conservation
of
of
this
past
year,
as
well
as
taking
a
look
ahead
at
what's
what's
proposed
for
the
coming
year,
and
so
as
soon
as
we
land
on
a
date.
We
will
get
that
out
to
you.
E
A
Dan,
I
just
had
a
question.
As
you
say,
the
council
passed
the
motion
without
amendment
less
clear.
Is
the
idea
of
council
suggestions
to
staff?
Do
you
do
you
get
a
readout
on
that?
At
some
point
I
mean:
do
you
guys
have
a
clear.
G
Well,
what
we
hear
from
council
more
collectively
is
that
is,
is
the
intentions
that
the
staff
express
for
how
we
would
go
into
a
little
bit
more
details
of,
what's
in
the
preferred
alternative
that
the
board
would
expect
that
those
intentions
that
we
outlined
would
would
be
would
be
something
we
would
move
forward
with,
and
so
we
have
made
a
note
of
of
of
some
of
those
details.
For
instance
like
we
would
continue
to
use
a
parcel
by
parcel
analysis
and
making
our
our
decision-making
would
continue.
G
Soil
baseline
work,
especially
to
make
sure
we
do
some
soil
baseline
work
prior
to
prairie
dog
removals,
whether
it's
relocations
or
lethal,
and
so
there
are
and
that
we
would
continue
to
engage
the
community
that,
of
course,
staff
is
more
than
willing
to
participate
in
any
community-led
forums
or
prairie
dog
type
of
meetings.
So
we've,
yes,
kurt.
We
made
a
a
list
of
some
of
those
things
that
staff
ex
expressed
as
what
our
intentions
are
and
documented
those,
and
we
intend
to
move
forward
with
those
okay
thanks.
A
L
Dan,
the
only
thing
I
might
add
is
depending
on
staff
capacity
and
budget,
so
we
have
to
be
looking
at
the
overall
package
and
everything
that
we've
been
asked
to
do,
which
is
many
things
now
at
this
point,
and
you
know
in
terms
of
taking
on
new
work
at
this
point
that
that's
not
going
to
be
our
highest
priority.
It's
going
to
be
focusing
more
on
the
direction
from
the
board
and
council.
D
And
I
don't
know
john,
whether
you've
had
a
chance
to
watch
the
recording,
but
there
were
several
council
members
who
made
it
perfectly
clear
that
staff
should
not
get
involved
in
additional
work
responsibilities
that
other
council
members
were
throwing
out.
D
Have
a
final
question
for
dan,
but
it's
not
about
the
integrated
agricultural
lands
plan
before
before
we
let
dan
go
from
matters
from
the
department.
A
Okay,
any
other
questions
on
the
prairie
dog
issue
before
we.
I
just
want
to
say
my
thanks
to
all
the
staff
work
that
went
into
this.
It
was
absolutely
an
enormous
lift,
and
so
thank
you
for
keeping
us
going
through
a
difficult
issue
in
a
difficult
time
when
so
much
of
it
got
put
in
a
bands
for
several
months.
So
thank
you.
Yeah
karen.
D
A
K
G
Why
don't
we
do
that?
Just
so,
I
don't
forget,
because
it
is
a
pretty
monumental
and
we
owe
a
big
thanks
and
gratitude
to
a
particular
staff
member
for
their
length
of
service.
So
I
I
asked
mark,
if
he
wouldn't
mind
just
you
know
announcing
not
only
to
the
board
but
to
the
community.
H
H
Feel,
like
everyone
knows
him
in
the
community
in
some
ways
and
yeah
he's
been
over
two
decades.
A
lot
of
people
know
much
better
than
I
do
and
lisa
dierov
provided
me
with
some
notes
that
I'll
just
mention
tonight,
because
there's
obviously
before
my
time,
I
think
it's
important
to
recognize
simple
things
about
dave
that
he
did
that
are
like
a
legacy
for
the
future
internally
for
the
department.
He
we
have
a
database
of
6
000
digital
images,
of
open
space
that
are
high
quality
over
the
years.
H
In
fact,
in
regards
that,
it
was
1997
when
he
began
the
outreach
program
knocking
on
doors
working
with
spanish
speakers
and
it's
testament
today
and
the
other
staff
he
worked
with
how
early
they
got
into
the
equity
work.
One
little
thing,
I'm
not
sure
if
everyone's
aware
of
but
the
osmp
logo
we
see
today
when
the
department
merged
in
2001,
it
was
dave
who
drew
and
designed
that-
and
we
still
love
that
logo
today
in
terms
of
programs
they've
done
over
the
years.
H
H
So
we
might
see
him
you
might
get
the
opportunity
to
pick
them
up
on
that
program.
H
One
thing
I
want
to
highlight
briefly,
which
is
during
my
tenure
here
at
open
space,
is
amazing,
is
his
work
with
the
boulder
philharmonic
to
present
concert,
nature
hikes
and
that
tied
in
third
songs
sounds
in
nature
with
classical
music
and
the
connection
dave
was
able
to
make.
In
fact,
it
was
so
popular.
H
He
worked
with
the
boulder
philharmonic
and
was
invited
to
dc
to
play
the
audiences
via
the
kennedy
center
at
rock
creek
park,
rock
creek
national
park,
and
I
believe
that
was
in
the
new
yorker
magazine
or
the
new
york
times,
and
it's
just
a
brilliant
example
of
dave's
thinking
of
how
to
engage
audiences,
how
to
make
connections
with
nature,
how
it
tied
back
to
the
arts
and
dave
basically,
is
a
genius
in
that
sense,
as
an
educator
just
a
few
things
to
mention
about
dave
beyond
the
city,
he
served
for
four
years
on
the
board
of
the
colorado
alliance
for
environmental
education
and
the
e-movement,
which
is
a
massive
program
today
now
for
environmental
literacy
and
environmental
education
with
cade,
steve
was
one
of
the
founding
members
of
that
he's
also
won
a
few
achievements.
H
He
was
the
champion
of
environmental
education
award
in
2015
and
the
boulder
of
city,
ebola
values
award
for
innovation,
as
well
as
the
kosa,
which
is
the
colorado
open
space
alliance.
That's
held
every
year.
He
won
the
blue
gamma
reward
for
excellence,
so
you
can
see
dave's
not
only
being
recognized
in
terms
of
award
he's
recognized
in
the
community
by.
I
think
it's
the
three
to
four
thousand
members
that
follow
dave's
natural
selection
programs
that
come
out
every
month
and
just
as
a
department.
We
just
really
want
to
wish
him.
A
A
Over
to
you
that
takes
us
to
matters
in
the
board.
We
have
two
items
and
then
anything
else.
Anybody
wants
to
add
I'll.
Give
just
a
quick
update
on
the
you'll
recall
our
the
motions
that
we
passed
regarding
south
boulder
creek
flood
control.
One
of
them
was
to
strongly
encourage
additional
study
of
the
upstream
option
and
we
laid
out
the
whys
and
the
wherefores,
and
we
also
laid
out
in
our
motions
what
we
thought.
A
The
steps
in
that
analysis
should
be,
and
council
supported
that,
in
addition
to
our
other
motions
on
south
boulder
creek
and
began
a
process
guided
by
the
the
cu
south
process
committee,
sam
weaver
and
rachel
friend
and
sort
of
added
to
that
group's
meeting,
some
additional
staff
to
look
at
south
boulder,
creek
karen
and
I
serve
on
that
along
with
two
members
from
rabb
and
two
mentors
from
the
planning
board.
We've
had
two
meetings:
august
5th
and
august
20th,
and
then
on
the
25th.
A
We
had
a
follow-up
call
with
the
utility
staff
to
ask
more
technical
questions
about
some
of
their
analyses.
I
would
say:
we've
made
very
good
progress,
but
if
you
look
at
our
our
motion,
we're
still,
I
would
say,
working
through
the
first
part
of
that
which
is
to
assess
the
extent
to
which
the
flood
flows
could
be
moved
into
the
south
cu,
south
property
and
the
the
gravel
mine
area.
A
But
I
think
we
are
getting
a
much
more
in-depth
understanding
of
those
those
staff
analyses
and
because
we've
been
able
to
iterate
a
little
bit.
Staff
is
going
back
now
and
looking
at
some
more
of
our
technical
questions,
and
I
think
I
think
the
process
is
going
efficiently
and
I
think
it's
going
in
a
good
direction
right
now.
I
would
let
karen
chime
in
on
her
perceptions
too.
D
I
totally
agree.
I
totally
agree
with
everything
you
said
kurt.
My
only
concern
is,
is
the
timeline
and
how
we
figure
out
how
fast
we're
going
and
how
we
get
things
done,
because
we
have
a
clear
cutoff
date
of
december
2020
and
and
kurt,
and
I
nor
the
other
board
members.
D
None
of
us
have
any
control
over
when
we
have
meetings
or
what's
going
to
get
done
or
when
it's
going
to
get
done.
That's
all
my
perception
is
that
that's
in
the
hands
of
joe
teddyuchi
who's,
the
head
of
the
utilities
department,
and
so
I'm
a
little
bit
concerned
about
the
timeline
and
and
how
to
how
to
move
it
forward
within
the
limited
time
that
we
have
to
actually
get
the
job
done.
A
Yeah,
I
think
everyone
has
that
concern
karen.
Our
next
scheduled
meeting
is
september
18th.
I
will
say
I
thought
our
follow-up
discussion
with
utility
staff
was
enormously
helpful
and
vastly
more
efficient,
and
maybe
that
can
can
happen.
I
think
it
will
help
move
this
along
in
the
timeline
that
you
described,
which
would
be
challenging
any
questions
about
that
folks.
D
And
thanks
to
dan
and
joe
for
organizing
that
august
20th
meeting,
I
I
agree.
I
thought
that
was
very
productive.
Yeah.
G
I
think
the
idea
is
is
to
understand
what
are
the
questions
that
you
would
like
us
well,
like
utility
staff
to
look
at,
and
I
would
just
say
from
a
staff
perspective.
I
actually
think
we're
probably
from
when
we
started
in
early
august,
we're
actually
probably
ahead
of
where
we
thought
we
would
be
so
karen.
I
I
hear
concern,
but
in
terms
of
teasing
out
exactly
what
utility
staff
ought
to
be
looking
at.
What
are
the
information
that
you're
interested
in?
G
I
actually
think
we're,
probably
understanding
that
in
greater
detail
a
little
faster
than
I
thought
we
would
so,
and
I
would
also
just
venture
to
say
that
if,
for
some
reason
we
have
incomplete
that
staff
that
there's
they
need
more
time
to
work
on
that,
I
think
we
would
cross
that
bridge
at
that
time
and
and
work
with
the
process
committee
about
that
conundrum.
If
there
is
indeed
a
conundrum
point,
so.
A
Yeah,
I
would
agree
dan,
thank
you
and
again
thanks
for
helping
facilitate
the
discussion
on
the
20th.
I
think
that's
it.
Then
we
would
go
next
to
the
green
race
advisory
committee
and
dave
represents
us
on
that,
and
I
know
you'd
like
to
update
us
on
some
of
the
thinking
there
dave.
E
Thanks
kurt,
yes,
the
greenways
advisory
committee
met
last
month
and
did
two
things.
One
is
the
purpose
of
the
annual
meeting
was
to
approve
the
greenways
cip
for
2021
to
2026,
and
that
went
as
part
of
the
budget
discussion
to
council
last
night,
the
other
the
other
thing
and
leah.
E
I
don't
know
if
you
can
bring
a
screen
up
with
the
motion
language,
but
the
advisory
committee
wanted
also
to
make
a
motion
to
counsel
regarding
its
concern
about
some
of
the
management
issues
related
to
the
greenways
program,
and
so
these
were
the
two
motions
that
went
to
council.
So
there
was
unanimous
support
for
the
2021-2026
cip
and
just
as
a
quick
reminder
to
the
board.
E
The
annual
budget
for
the
greenways
program
is
about
346
thousand
dollars,
of
which
about
a
little
less
than
a
hundred
thousand
is
contributed
by
the
by
the
flood
department
and
a
little
under
a
hundred
thousand
is
contributed
by
the
transportation
department
and
about
a
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
or
so
lottery
funds.
So
that
makes
up
the
the
annual
greenways
budget
and
of
that
about
105
000
goes
annually
to
operation
and
maintenance
and
about
46
000
goes
to
you
know:
habitat
restoration
or
management.
E
So,
in
addition,
I
just
wanted
the
board
to
know
the
next
motion.
The
advisory
committee
was
concerned.
That
council
will
be
informed
of
the
concerns
the
committee
had,
and
so
the
second
motion
basically
said
three
things.
One
is
that
the
committee
thought
that
there
ought
to
be
a
serious
consideration
of
reinstating
the
greenways
coordinator
position
in
the
utilities
department,
which
was
eliminate.
The
position
was
eliminated
in
2018
as
a
budget
reduction.
E
They
thought
that
those
funds
should
be
evaluated
and
future
budgetary
needs
identified,
and
this
is
through.
I
guess
I
got
ahead
of
myself.
This
is
through
the
the
greenways
master
plan,
update,
which
is
scheduled
for
2022,
so
the
bulk
of
the
budget,
the
green
race
budget
program
budget,
for
that
that
year
2022
will
actually
go
to
the
master
plan
update.
E
So
those
were
the
motions
that
went.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
board
knew
that
the
issue
on
number
two
is
that,
looking
at
other
funding
sources
for
the
program,
there
was
discussion
about
the
cooperation
between
the
various
city
departments,
which
included
open
space
and
mountain
parks
in
the
parks
and
recreation
department
with
the
greenways
program.
And
so
I
expect
that,
as
part
of
the
master
plan
update
for
greenways,
there
will
be
involvement
by
the
open
space
mountain
parks,
department
staff.
As
part
of
that
update.
A
M
For
the
update,
how
I
just
thought
thank
you
dave.
I
really
appreciate
that
dan.
I
thought
of
one
thing
I
kind
of
missed
the
moment.
It
occurs
to
me
that,
upstream
or
downstream,
whatever
happens
at
cu
south
will
have
open
space
impacts.
I
was
wondering:
is
anybody.
J
A
L
Yeah,
we
have
a
pretty
good
expertise
on
understanding
the
regulatory
requirements
of
certainly
of
projects
that
we
typically
do.
Hal
and
we're
very
involved
in
this
project.
As
you
know,
at
the
staff
level,
and
and
we'll
be
evaluating
the
regulatory
side
of
that
as
it
as
it
pertains
to
open
space
and
management
of
open
space.
M
L
M
L
A
And
I
take
as
a
good
sign
the
fact
that
staff
said
they're
developing
the
purpose
and
need
statement
for
the
core
right
now,
that's
sort
of
a
first
step
into
the
regulatory
consultation.
So
that's
good
other
thoughts,
questions.
A
Okay,
well
other
other
matters
from
the
board
that
anyone
wants
to
add
at
this
point
or
speak
to.
G
Yeah,
I'm
not
a
board
member,
but
if
you
wouldn't
mind,
I
would
just
remind
everybody
that,
of
course,
we
will
see
you
all
on
october
14th,
but
prior
to
that
we
will
have
one
of
our
two
fall
retreat
sessions
coming
up
on
the
23rd
of
september,
and
so
probably
by
the
end
of
next
week,
we
will
leo
staff
and
getting
you
out
materials
any
pertinent
materials
that
may
apply
promote
conversation
for
that
for
our
retreat
and
just
also
another
reminder
that
hal
kurt
steve
lee-
and
I
will
get
together
this
friday-
to
continue
to
do
a
little
bit
of
retreat,
prep
and
planning
it's
on
our
minds.
G
We're
we're
working
at
the
staff
level
to
hopefully
provide
some
input.
That
would
be
valuable
to
help
kick
start
some
conversation
and
work
with
hal
and
kurt
to
see
if
we're
on
the
right
track.