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A
A
Call
to
order
the
open
space
Board
of
Trustees
meeting
of
June
12
2019,
one
initial
clarification
or
changed
to
the
schedule.
Originally,
we
were
scheduled
to
have
a
separate
study
session
on
the
master
plan
and
in
instead
of
that,
we
are
going
to
handle
that
under
matters
from
the
board.
So
we
won't
substantively.
A
I
thought
it
was
really
a
very
productive
meeting
that
covered
a
lot
of
ground
and
did
so
quite
successfully.
I'd
also
say
that
you
know
by
the
standards
of
open
space
meetings.
It
was
remarkable
the
lack
of
sort
of
heated
controversy
that
so
often
occurs
and
I
think
that
is
a
tribute
to
the
work,
especially
that
staff
did
in
crafting
a
very
reasonable
set
of
outcomes
and
strategies
which
you
know.
A
While
we
understand
more
work
is
to
be
done
and
they're
not
going
to
bring
happy
smiles
to
everyone
on
the
whole
did
a
very
good
job
of
you
know
getting
us
to
where
we
are,
which
we
hope
is
not
too
far
from
the
finish
line
so
before
I
turn
to
approval
for
minutes.
I
just
wanted
to
see
if
anyone
else
typically
either
disagrees.
I
wanted
to
add
anything
on
on
that.
Subject:
okay.
Well,
then,
we
have
two
sets
of
minutes
to
approve.
The
first
are
the
minutes
of
a8
2019
I
didn't
have
any
changes,
Dave.
C
A
D
B
The
only
other
offer
I
had
was
the
goal
of
the
proposed
process
is
to
examine
agricultural
uses
and
the
existing
conflicts
with
city-bred
policies
on
the
OS
MP
northern
grasslands
in
to
review
and
consider
appropriate
land
management
actions
to
achieve
city
charter
purposes.
On
note,
city
charter,
open
space
goals,
I,
don't
know
that
we
need
the
second
sentence,
but
that
was
just
more
clarification.
A
Think
I
think
it's
probably
right
that
the
appointment
was
the
action
item
and
the
sort
of
description
of
the
charge
that
we
have.
We
probably
don't
need
to
try
to
paraphrase
what
the
mandate
is
of
the
prairie-dog
process.
I
think
you
fairly
captured
it,
but
it
may
be
that
any
difference
in
wording
between
what
you
had
and
what
we've
previously
given
as
the
charge
is
going
to
be
seized
upon
by
someone
as
significant
when
it
was
not
intended
to
be
such.
F
A
Second,
okay
know
in
favor,
great
okay.
So
now
we
turn
to
public
comment
for
items
not
identified
for
public
hearing.
The
only
item
that's
identified
for
a
public
hearing
is
this
the
CIP
budget?
So
if
you
wish
to
speak
to
anything
else,
including
anything
having
to
do
with
the
master
plan,
please
sign
up
with
Lea,
and
this
is
the
time
to
do
it.
We'll
follow
our
usual
procedure.
I'll
call
out
the
names
in
order.
You'll
have
three
minutes
five.
A
If
you're
pooling
with
someone
else,
please
begin
by
stating
your
name
and
address
and
Lea
do
we
have
the
the
buzzer
working
okay?
So,
at
the
end
of
you,
when
three
minutes
are
up,
you'll
hear
the
buzzer
and
if
you're
still
speaking,
please
do
wrap
up
quickly
and
we
we
appreciate
that.
So
we
begin
with
Kody
Douglas
auric,
then
Mary,
Anne,
Martin
and
Elizabeth
black.
H
Hi,
my
name
is
Kody
auric,
203,
Morningside,
Park,
Road
and
Boulder
I'm
here
to
support
you
in
the
difficult
job
of
holistic
management,
of
our
open
space
lands,
holistic
being
characterized
by
an
understanding
that
parts
are
inextricably
connected
to
the
whole.
I
also
want
to
admit
right
off
the
bat
that
the
more
I
understand
the
less
I
seem
to
know.
I
had
a
sort
of
breakthrough
understanding
when
a
young
farmer
told
me
that
he
was
working
with
open
space
to
restore
the
land
adjacent
to
his
farm.
H
What
do
you
mean
I
asked
this
is
the
way
the
land
is:
we've
preserved,
it
conserved
it
this
way.
No,
he
replied.
This
is
the
way
it
is
post,
buffalo
extinction
and
the
herds
of
elk
and
even
mastodons,
pooping
and
peeping,
and
giving
back
to
the
vast
community
of
life
in
the
soil.
This
is
the
way
it
is
with
just
a
few
species
of
grasses
that
can
live
on
bare
rock
some
of
them
invading
from
other
regions.
It
literally
took
my
breath
away.
H
I'd
been
I,
guess
a
little
smug
about
taxing
ourselves
for
open
space
lands
turns
out.
We
have
already
generations
ago,
deeply
impacted
grasslands
and
it's
therefore
our
responsibility
to
restore
a
healthy
biodiversity
in
order
to
allow
the
system
to
heal
itself.
So
I'm
here
to
speak
up
for
healthy
soil.
H
More
and
more,
it
seems
to
be
coming
down
to
that
healthy
soil
communities
make
healthy
human
plant
and
animal
communities
I
attended
the
prairie
dog
management
tour
and
learned
all
about
what
the
staff
is
attempting
to
get
the
balances
right
on
our
open
space
lands,
I,
laud
and
support
the
staff
and
those
well
considered
and
valiant
attempts,
but
our
local
food
systems
and
farmers
must
also
be
kept
in
perspective.
Lethal
control
of
prairie
dogs
on
lands
designated
as
agricultural
that
also
have
water
rights.
H
Use-It-Or-Lose-It
water
rights
are
a
small
part
of
the
whole
through
lots
of
learning.
It
seems
to
me
that
lethal
control
of
prairie
dogs
should,
and
in
fact
must
be
in
the
toolkit
for
our
staff
to
manage
irrigated
agricultural
lands.
It
saddens
me
to
see
on
the
PowerPoint
tonight
that
discussion
of
barriers,
which
is
a
total,
it's
just
a
falsehood-
that
it
works.
It's
still
being
considered
now
that
we've
learned
that
we
can
also
sequester
carbon
with
healthy
soils.
The
mandate
is
even
more
clear.
H
We
cannot
protect
one
species
such
as
prairie
dogs,
to
the
detriment
of
so
many
millions
of
other
species
in
healthy
soil
communities
and
no
conversation
about
a
resilient
local
food
system
can
omit
supporting
healthy
soils
on
the
small
percentage
of
designated
agricultural
lands
in
our
open
space
acreage,
not
to
mention
supporting
our
local
farmers,
who
are
losing
hope.
Thank
you
for
your
hard
and
sometimes
very
unpopular
work
on
behalf
of
all
of
us,
including
the
soil
communities.
I
Hi
I'm
Marianne,
Martin,
23:28,
bluff,
Street
in
Boulder
and
I
just
wanted
to
give
a
little
update
as
to
the
springtime
at
Boulder,
Valley
Ranch
and
where
all
the
grasslands
been
destroyed.
All
the
noxious
weeds
are
coming
in
now
in
full
force
and
I
just
want
to
reiterate
how
horrible
that
is,
and
that
I
don't
know.
If
any
of
you
are
gardeners,
but
once
you
get
thistle
and
bindweed
and
it's
really
really
hard
to
get
rid
of.
So
it's
like,
as
we
put
off
solving
one
problem,
we're
adding
others
that
are
coming
in
full
force.
I
So
I
want
to
reiterate
that
I
think
we
need
to
do
something
really
soon
and
as
sad
as
it
is
I
do
strongly
favor
lethal
control.
There's
tens
of
thousands
out
there,
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
how
you
could
even
begin
to
move
them.
I,
don't
know
where
you
would
move
them
to,
but
I
just
want
to
support
all
your
efforts
and
just
say
I
think
we
need
the
fastest
way
we
can
get
to
addressing
this
problem.
Thank
you.
Thanks.
D
Hi
Elizabeth
black
43
14
or
13th
Street.
During
recent
discussions
of
lethal
control
of
prairie
dogs
on
OS
NP,
a
glance
Council
was
confused
by
conflicting
information
as
to
whether
or
not
prairie
dogs
sequestered
carbon
and
made
healthier
soils.
Boulders
OS
NP
researchers
have
found
that
no
prairie
dogs
do
not
sequester
carbon
in
soil
or
make
healthier
soils
or
healthier
plant
communities,
but
several
articles
on
the
web
say
yes,
prairie
dogs
promotes
our
carbon
sequestration
in
soil
health.
D
All
those
pro
prairie
dog
articles
on
the
web
traced
back
to
a
single
study
at
the
Janusz
biosphere
reserve
in
the
Chihuahuan
Desert
of
Mexico.
So
why
are
you
Nash's
results
so
different
than
Oh
SNP
researchers?
Well,
if
you
dive
deeply
into
the
Janusz
data,
you
find
several
disturbing
things.
First,
Janusz
dug
only
three
soil
pits
in
each
of
the
three
no
systems
they
compared
for
a
total
of
nine
sampling
sites.
Janos
sampled,
only
three
prairie-dog
sites,
an
exceptionally
small
number
of
samples
on
which
to
base
conclusions.
D
Four
to
five
percent
carbon
several
feet
down
in
their
soils,
Janusz
asserted
that
prairie
dogs
Janusz
assertion
that
prairie
dogs,
sequester
carbon,
is
totally
dependent
on
these
four
to
five
percent
carbon
values,
values
which
are
unheard
of
at
that
soil
depth.
Unheard
of
that
is,
unless
you
are
sampling,
a
Khaleesi
layer
of
calcium
carbonate,
precipitate
and
and
are
not
correcting
for
the
carbonate
in
the
caliche
caliche.
Soils
are
common
in
the
Chihuahuan
Desert
and
Janish
does
not
mention
making
any
Corrections
for
caliche
in
their
testing
methods.
D
So
this
is
a
big
red
flag
for
their
results.
So
the
Janish
findings
should
be
approached
with
a
great
deal
of
skepticism.
Rather
our
own
Boulder
researchers
results
should
be
believed.
I've.
Given
you
a
packet
with
which
has
some
abstracts
of
research
on
Colorado
prairie
dogs,
mostly
on
OS
and
P
properties,
mostly
by
Cu
researchers,
thank
you.
Thank.
J
Hi
Steve
Watts
600
block
of
Tantra
drive
Boulder
good
evening,
and
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
comment
on
the
OSP
draft
master
plan.
I
am
the
community
organizer
for
open
boulder
I
speak
tonight
on
the
board's
behalf.
What
we
think
in
general,
open
Boulder,
supports
the
draft
master
plan
and
applauds
of
the
community.
The
OS
and
piece
staff
planning,
consultants,
open
space
board
of
trustees
and
City
Council
and
developing
a
sound
plan
for
managing
our
public
lands
for
the
future.
J
Oh
S&P
has
led
a
commendable
process,
engaging
the
community
and
using
those
ideas
to
create
focus
areas
and
values
to
find
big,
broad
management
themes
for
OS
NPS
next
ten
years.
Importantly,
the
draft
master
plan
describes
the
outcomes.
The
community
wants
the
strategies
we
prioritize
but
does
not
necessarily
presume
specific
actions,
ie
management
or
area
plans.
What
we're
concerned
about
open
boulder
strongly
encourages
that
the
process
is
honored
and
that
OS
MP
staff
are
entrusted
with
developing
sound
impactful
and
thoughtful
management
plans
to
achieve
the
goals
of
our
community.
J
It's
for
the
health
and
well-being
of
our
community
additional
off-leash
areas
for
our
dogs
and
their
guardians,
applying
the
strategy
of
closing
undesignated
trails
uniformly
across
their
urban
open
space
interface
without
regard
to
socio
economic
or
political
status
of
the
neighborhood,
allowing
additional
recreation,
recreational
access
to
closed
public
lands
under
OS
mp's
purview
and
spreading
use
out
among
low
you
areas
and,
finally,
remembering
our
horse
heritage
of
the
West
and
encouraging
use
where
appropriate
and
improving
the
infrastructure
of
those
trail
heads.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
work.
We
really
appreciate
it
thanks.
K
Hi
again
I'm
cars,
bus,
peeler,
383,
Jasper
Drive
in
Lyons,
Colorado
I'm,
a
member
of
the
prairie
dog
working
group,
as
you
know,
and
the
group's
final
recommendations
on
the
non-lethal
prairie
dog
management
were
just
presented
to
Council
last
December,
so
yet
only
been
five
months
later
and
without
open
space
actually
having
time
to
implement
any
of
those
recommendations
to
help
resolve
current
conflicts.
Council
has
already
asked
open
space
to
expedite
another
public
process
for
prairie
dog
management.
K
As
you
know,
I
think
this
is
really
concerning
and
it
raises
several
questions
you
know
in
the
staffs
update
tonight
on
this
new
public
process
about
prairie
dogs.
I
hope
that
they
address
the
following
questions
and
comments
is
open
space
currently
implementing
any
of
the
working
groups.
Recommendations
to
specifically
help
resolve
the
conflicts
on
the
to
irrigate
and
lease
areas
of
most
concern:
Boulder
Valley
Ranch
and
the
axelsson
Johnson
areas.
I
think
this
is
important.
These
were
the
two
areas
that
seem
to
lead
you
all
to
jump
to
crisis
conclusions.
K
The
dismissal
of
the
effectiveness
of
the
working
groups,
recommendations
regarding
conflicts
on
irrigated
egg
lands
and
the
creation
of
a
new
process
without
even
trying
to
implement
our
recommendations
to
see
if
they
could
decrease
the
conflicts.
We
need
to
know
how
effective
these
options
are,
since
that
knowledge
will
inform
open
spaces
recommendation
to
Council
regarding
whether
lethal
options
are
necessary.
K
Another
question
is:
is
open
space
willing
to
include
interested
prairie,
dog
working
group
members
and
the
organization
organizations
they
represent
in
its
determination
and
implement
implementation
of
working
group
recommendations
that
will
be
most
helpful
on
these
two
leased
areas.
Some
of
the
working
group
members
have
offered
helped,
but
time
is
short.
Communication
has
been
questionable
and
so
far
nothing
has
happened
and
we
were
only
notified
last
night
of
this
meeting
this
evening
end
of
the
agenda.
K
Another
question
is:
how
is
open-space
going
to
implement
the
working
groups
recommendations,
while
also
focusing
on
the
new
expedited
process?
The
new
process
should
not
result
in
the
prairie-dog
working
groups,
recommendations
getting
bypassed,
unimplemented,
disregarded,
not
funded
and
not
staff,
because
of
focus
on
the
new
process,
how
it's
open
space
going
to
make
sure
this
doesn't
happen.
How
are
critical
topics
related
to
the
new
process,
such
as
creative
lease
options
and
soil
and
carbon
issues
going
to
be
studied,
evaluated
and
discussed?
K
L
First
of
all
and
Sheila
della
Mae
of
525
Mapleton
Avenue
I've
been
communicating
with
a
lot
of
you
quite
a
lot
recently.
First
thing
I'd
like
to
get
on
the
table
is
I
really
have
had
fantastic
interchange
with
an
open
space
staff,
so
I've
got
no
complaints
whatsoever
with
the
staff.
My
concern
is:
there
are
issues
associated
with
this,
this
plan
and
I
think
last
night.
The
message
that
you
gave
very
strongly
was
that
costing
is
an
important
part
of
the
whole
process.
L
So
I've
been
been
thinking
about
this
a
lot
over
the
last
few
weeks
and
I've
been
going
through
things.
I
was
very
excited
when
Dan
last
night
declared
40
million
dollars
of
maintenance
on
the
agenda.
So
that
got
me
thinking,
and
this
is
what
the
result
of
this
thing
is.
We
do
have
huge
trail
backlog
and
I
was
thinking
if
I
was
in
Dan's
position.
What
would
I
do
so?
This
is
this
is
where
we
go
from
here
now
to
go
forward.
L
Okay,
the
problem
is
estimating
the
cost
of
trail.
Maintenance
is
difficult,
and
so
my
question
is
worded
and
it
is
forty
million
dollar
number
from
because,
as
soon
as
you
work
on
trails
and
I've
worked
on
a
lot
of
trails
over
my
life,
it's
it's
as
soon
as
you're
working
you
find
out.
There
are
more
problems
than
you
thought.
The
work,
and
so
therefore
coming
up
with
good
numbers
is
an
important
thing,
and
what
we
do
need
is
a
detailed
inventory
of
all
our
trail
problems.
L
How
to
true
the
trails
were
out
with
weather
and
use
and
how
perfect
a
trail
surface?
Do
we
need
muddy
trails?
Are
the
thing
that
I
find
most
distasteful
and
tree
roots
is
another
big
problem?
It's
a
problem
for
people
crossing
them
and
it's
also
damages
the
trees,
and
in
some
place
we
got
some
big
steps
down
that
are
dangerous.
So
here's
my
solution.
If
I
was
in
Dan's
position
with
a
quarter
of
a
million
people,
a
staff
hours
available.
L
Take
my
entire
staff
one
day
a
week
for
thirteen
weeks,
which
gives
us
13,000
staff
hours
and
I'd,
put
them
on
the
trails
and
20
trail
segments,
not
complete
trails,
but
segments
that
worth
while
picking
and
then
send
the
tray
the
crews
out
and
have
a
leader
for
each
each
trail
so
the
on
day,
one
when
they
get
out
there.
We
do
a
trail
inventory
of
that
segments
estimate
the
materials
that
are
needed
and
do
a
rough
estimate
by
pacing,
not
surveying
just
pace
it
out,
get
a
good
feel
for
it
define
the
muddy
areas.
L
The
water
boards,
the
tree
roots,
the
number
to
be
covered,
for
instance,
large
steps
that
need
to
be
fixed
messy
items.
Now
there
are
a
number
of
messy
items
in
the
Census
Valley
the
dogs
love
to
get
into
into
the
ditch.
So
that
was
the
access
point
where
the
water
comes
out
of
the
ditch
and
so
on,
and
then
the
last
item.
Of
course,
the
fence
repair.
Oh
oh
I
need
to
go
back
one.
How
do
I
go
back,
I've
gone
forward,
which
is
the
back
button.
L
Okay,
so
I
was
day
one
okay
on
day,
two
we'd
actually
do
some
work
and
fix
the
high
priority
item
for
that
segment
and
estimate
the
staff
hours,
based
on
the
experience
that
day
to
complete
that
segment
day,
three
do
more
work.
Now.
This
is
the
the
key
point
is
we
would
call
out
volunteers
to
come
and
join
the
staff
fixing
the
trail
bring
their
buckets.
The
shovels
and
their
wheelbarrows
have
to
help
out
and
get
on
with
the
job.
L
G
A
L
M
Kind
of
cranky,
because
I'm
missing
the
bike
round
up
at
Ray
Beck's,
but
I've,
been
on
the
phone
all
day
with
fire
department,
because
there
was
fire
up
on
the
311
site
and
I'm
terribly
ashamed
of
you
pushing
the
open
space
other.
You
know
that
that
whole
situation
with
311
was
not
a
good
idea
to
give
any
public
subsidies
and
they
got
five.
M
Five
public
subsidies
and
the
open
space
Board
of
Trustees
was
integral
in
that
situation
and
any
recommendation
that
would
be
supporting
a
development
of
that
intensity
with
those
fragile
people
seniors
in
that
area
is,
is
just
egregious
and
it
ended
up
going
through
and
now
guess
what
there's
a
fire.
That's
on
the
wild
lines
in
urban.
M
And
fire
there,
it's
gonna
devastate
this
community
and
you're,
not
gonna
have
any
budget
at
all.
After
that,
so
I
want
to
know
what
are
you
gonna
do
about
the
open
space
up
there
and
my
safety
before
this
thing
is
constructed
and
when
is
it
going
to
be
constructed?
I
have
no
idea
when
or
how
long
it
can
take,
and
now
there's
a
fire
up
there
before
you
know
when
it's
closed
off.
This
is
not
okay.
M
As
a
result
of
this
undermining
of
this
relationship
between
these
good
soil
specialists
working
together,
there's
nothing
worse
than
dividing
your
community
and
as
far
as
the
prairie
dogs,
it's
the
same
thing
as
the
farmers.
There
can
be
solutions
that
are
win-win,
and
with
these
prairie
dogs,
we
have
to
have
human
population
management.
We
have
to
have
something
you
can
have
a
dog
or
a
baby,
but
not
both.
You
know,
there's
more
dogs
than
there
are
people
in
Boulder
and
they're,
impacting
our
open
space
heavily
and
the
wild
animals.
M
The
prairie
dog
are
sacrificed
for
the
cattle
people.
Eating
meat
I'd
go
without
me,
I
meat,
but
you
know
what
take
your
take.
Your
pick.
Take
your
choice,
killing
things
or
you
know,
putting
constraints
on
people's
use
of
it's,
not
an
entitlement
that
you
can
that
you
can.
You
know,
raise
cattle,
it's
something!
That's
been
subsidized
for
a
long
time.
O
O
It's
really
heartening
to
see
the
heading
in
the
executive
summary
that
says
helping
nature
thrive,
our
central
purpose,
its
similarly
heartening
to
see
recognize
prioritizing
our
work
over
and
over
again
community
members
told
us
that
that
they
wanted
efforts
aimed
at
ecosystem
health
and
Brazilian.
That
is
the
most
important.
O
My
concern
is
that
everything
seems
to
be
delayed.
It's
got
an
asterisks
after
it
saying
this
is
high-priority,
but
paying
attention
to
it
and
doing
something
seems
to
be
indefinitely
delayed.
However,
we
have
some
low-hanging
fruit
that
doesn't
have
to
be
delayed
and
it
got
the
important,
high-priority
asterisks
after
it
in
the
giraffe
plant
for
instance.
Of
course,
we
could
not
ask
the
animals
and
the
plants
what
their
top
priority
was.
We
have
you
guys.
O
We
have
the
public,
we
have
the
staff,
which
fortunately
includes
some
amazing
wildlife
and
plant
biologists,
just
speak
for
the
animals
and
plants.
So
we
ask
the
wildlife
biologists:
what
can
we
do
to
help
restore
habitat
for
critters,
protect
the
habitat
by
closing
unmanaged
trails
and
trails,
that
bisects
sensitive
habitats,
reduced
trails
that
bisect
and
reduce
human
and
canine
impact
by
keeping
humans
and
canines
on
the
trails?
Finally,
we
have
a
recognition
of
the
need
for
on
trail
restriction,
but
we
don't
have
a
plan,
so
you
did.
O
Another
survey
service
already
come
up
with
different
numbers.
This
one
came
up
with
89%
of
respondents,
support
extending
on
trail
requirements
and
closing
on
managed
trails.
Don't
wait
for
years
to
study.
It
pick
a
few
things
that
are
low-hanging
fruit,
like
that
and
please
enact
them
within
the
year
after
the
master
plan
is
is
adopted.
Thank
you.
Thank.
P
P
Right
thanks
for
taking
this
time,
I
want
to
talk
about
this
soil,
Hank
health
language
that
was
discussed
last
night.
The
language
is
pointed
towards
including
carbon
language,
in
the
focus
statements.
I
would
push
against
this
because
it
does
not
reflect
the
multi-faceted
benefits
of
healthy
soil.
It
isn't
an
issue
that
only
benefits
our
carbon
footprint,
but
it
also
helps
farmers
and
maintaining
economic
viability.
P
Farmers
should
be
consulted
on
what
the
measure
of
healthy
soils
should
be
because
their
livelihood
depends
on
it,
and
if
this
plan
is
as
long
terms
as
we
would
like
it
to
be,
the
longevity
of
farmer
viability
should
be
represented.
I'd
also
like
to
make
note
that
if
I
did
have
it
my
way
in
the
plan
only
discussed
farmer
viability,
the
carbon
benefits
would
still
occur.
It's
not
an
issue,
it's
an
issue
that
escapes
partisan
conversations
in
that
way
where
you
don't
have
to
choose
a
side.
P
Lastly,
on
prairie
dogs,
the
comments
last
night,
even
the
language,
so
the
prairie
dogs
are
not
the
villain
in
all
of
these
conversations,
I
support
the
language
proposed
so
that
prairie
dog
groups
and
ranchers
and
agriculture
proponents
work
together.
They
have
to
find
a
working
solution
and
numerous
conversations
last
night
demanded
more
data
to
be
the
foundation
of
the
language
of
the
master
plan.
I
think
this
should
also
be
true
of
the
prairie
dog
conversation.
P
A
Q
And
E
brighter
three
375
75th
Street
and
in
Boulder
Colorado
I'm,
here
representing
myself
as
a
farmer
but
I'm
also
here
representing
the
Flatirons
chapter
of
the
Young
Farmers
coalition,
which
is
a
community
of
new
and
beginning
farmers
here
in
Boulder,
County
I'm
here
to
talk
about
the
master
plan
specifically
and
some
of
the
discussion
that
happened
last
night.
One
of
the
comments
that
I
wanted
to
add
to
the
discussion
last
night
was
in
the
community
connection,
education
and
inclusion
section
of
the
master
plan.
The
stated
value
statement
is
together.
Q
We
build
an
inclusive
community
of
stewards
and
seek
to
find
our
place
in
open
space.
As
a
farmer,
it
disappoints
me
that
there
is
no
mention
of
agriculture
within
that
whole
section.
There's
obviously
another
section.
That's
specifically
talking
about
agriculture,
but
agriculturalists
are
one
of
the
main
stewards
of
the
land
there's
over
15,000
acres
of
agricultural
land,
that's
being
handled
by
your
leases.
Q
They
are
key
stewards
of
that
land
and
can
be
used
for
education
purposes,
which
again,
agriculture
is
not
mentioned
in
responsible
recreation,
stewardship
and
enjoyment,
or
any
of
the
other
areas
that
have
to
do
with
education.
Would
really
like
to
push
that
to
ensure
that
all
people
can
learn
about
what
our
agriculturalists
and
ranchers
are
doing.
Q
Now
to
that
point
and
on
education,
I
was
a
little
concerned
by
some
of
the
comments
last
night
regarding
how
our
how
we're
gonna
eat
food
going
forward
and
how
that
relates
to
ranching
and
farming
and
how
that
relates
to
healthy
soils.
We
need
animals
to
be
a
part
of
our
operations
to
provide
healthy
soils,
otherwise
we're
just
adding
more
and
more
inputs
to
that,
and
we
need
that.
R
Good
evening,
just
one
day
clear
up
a
couple
things
there,
a
lot
of
people
are
saying
it's
just
a
couple
properties
that
are
affected
by
prairie
dogs.
That
is
not
true
at
all.
It's
all
over
your
open
space
properties,
Fred
stinkle
Alise,
is
a
couple
of
properties
from
you,
Hester's
and
Campbells,
and
me
and
my
dad
worked,
but
not
pay
for
him.
This
year
he
had
a
stroke,
so
he
can't
continue
anymore,
so
we're
going
ahead
and
putting
up
a
say
for
him,
help
him
out
and
the
prairie
dogs
started.
Moving
into
his
place.
R
Deep
I
can't
believe
how
much
the
prairie
dogs
are
taking
over
his
hay
fields
and
I
mean
it's
a
problem
and
they're
behind
the
house
they're
at
Boulder
Valley
Ranch.
We
are
a
lost
one
field
this
year,
because
the
prairie
dogs
have
been
moving
up
on
the
lower
Ellison.
We've
lost
about
four
eight
fields
this
year.
There's
a
prairie
dogs
are
moving
so
fast
across
it.
We
can't
irrigate
fast
enough
to
keep
them
out
they're
just
too
overpopulated,
and
we
need
to
get.
R
We
need
to
get
on
this
like
soon
kicking
the
can
down
the
road
or
anything
we
need
to
get
after
it.
If
we
were
gonna,
save
our
open
space,
lamps
and
I
know
a
lot
of
people.
They
don't
like
killing
the
prairie
dogs
or
anything
and
no
I
I
like
watching
prairie
dogs
I
like
watching
a
bald
eagle,
come
down
and
grab
one,
but
the
fact
is
Eagles
would
rather
go
fish
only
time
the
prairie
dogs
is
when
the
lakes
are
frozen.
Over
and
I
would
rather
go
eat
a
fish
in
a
prairie
dog
too.
R
So
I
can't
blame
them
there
and
your
kites.
You
see
them
out
there
hunting
mice
field,
mice.
Before
you
see
him
hunting
prairie
dogs,
we
there
has
to
be.
We
have
to
do
some
sort
of
control
here
and
it
needs
to
happen
soon.
So
now,
that's
all
I
have
I'll
be
here
all
night,
so
any
questions
or
anything
don't
be
scared
to
ask.
Okay.
N
Hi
good
evening,
members
of
the
board,
I'm
Mel
Cushman
I,
live
in
hygiene,
13
450,
North,
75th
Street,
so
I
heard
a
little
scuttlebutt
through
the
week
about
maybe
moving
some
like
a
big
bunch
of
prairie
dogs
back
over
to
the
southern
grasslands.
Again
and
I,
don't
know
if
that's
scuttlebutt
or
I
mean
it
works,
but
I
just
wanted
to
share
hen
and
my
two
cents
on
how
I
feel
about
that
I.
N
Don't
know
if
any
of
you
have
seen
the
video
of
Cushman
Hill
Dwayne's
operation
encompasses
both
city
and
county
properties,
many
jointly
owned,
but
I
forgot
to
Therese
quilok.
He
out
there
last
week
and
somebody's
like
oh
yeah.
That
video
you
sent
is
so
disturbing.
I
said
well
even
more
disturbing
than
that.
As
Therese
didn't
seem
that
disturbed.
She
is
a
poker
player
because
I
heard
the
girl
she
was
with
said
she
said
holy
bleep
when
we
were
done,
but
it's
too
dry,
that's
a
dry
land
pasture,
but
so
pasture.
N
It
so
should
have
been
grazing
and
rotational
grass
for
our
cattle.
But
it
was
way
too
stressed
so
Dwayne
sold
30%
of
his
yes
because
he
would
never
stress
at
grass,
but
the
dry
lands
are
so
it's.
He
taught
me
how
delicate
these
prairie
grasses
are
anyway,
but
the
dry
lands.
He
said
we'll
never
get
that
hill
back
in
this
generation.
It
is
desert,
vacation
and
wean.
It
is
a
classic
example.
N
It's
I,
just
really
I
would
like
I,
don't
know
if
I've
extended
the
invitation
for
any
of
you
to
come
around
on
my
behind-the-scenes
VIP
tour,
but
I
would
definitely
do
so
and
I'll
email
through
here,
but
I,
don't
know
how
many
times
the
topsoil
blew
away
just
in
that
one
day,
but
you
are
losing
the
chance
to
reclaim
these
things.
Every
time
the
wind
blows.
Cuz
the
rocks
are
exposed
up
there
now,
you'll
never
receive
it,
I
just
really
and
I,
don't
even
on
the
whole.
N
Like
recommendation
thing,
I
don't
know
where
we
are
on
that
either,
but
I'm
the
consensus
based
recommendation
package,
I'm
well,
I,
don't
know
where
we
stand
on
that
either
because
now
I've
submitted
that
we
really
didn't
have
consensus
and
I've
never
heard
any
clarification
back
of
that
Trump's
the
recommendation
package
or
we
just
go
ahead
like
it
was
a
consensus.
So
that's
all
like
that.
A
S
A
T
T
T
That's
going
to
be
actually
involved
in
the
design
and
and
to
conduct
the
park
capacity,
study,
identify
alternatives
and
to
develop
the
actual
visitor
use
master
plan,
so
they
will
be
getting
outside
support
for
that
effort.
They've.
Also
formed
two
teams:
CPW
has
formed
an
interagency
team,
and
that
is
because
they
recognize
that
some
of
the
solutions
and
strategies
and
issues
that
they're
looking
at
could
have
spillover
effects
in
terms
of
transportation.
T
Potential
impacts
on
surrounding
open
space
lands
and
I
just
want
to
make
a
mention
that
Casey
French
is
representing
OSP
on
that
interagency
team
and
really
our
our
thought
on.
What
that
an
agency
for
team
is
it's
a
forum
relay
to
share
information
and
to
coordinate
on
potential
strategies
that
could
have
those
impacts
beyond
the
state
park.
So
we're
going
to
be
keeping
very
much
up
to
date
through
that
process.
T
There
is
also
C
PWS
forming
a
task
force
as
and
that's
going
to
be
an
advisory
role
capacity
and
that's
going
to
be
made
up
of
relevant
government
agencies,
community
representatives,
recreational
interests
and
that
CPW
is
the
one
who
is
inviting
member
organizations
onto
that
task.
Force
and
the
reason
I
want
to
mention
at
this
point
is
that
it
very
much
it
may
actually
convene
that
task
force
may
convene
before
we
meet
in
July,
and
so
you
may
hear
about
that.
T
T
U
Stan,
excuse
me
my
name's
mark
Gershman
I'm,
the
supervisor
for
planning
and
design
and
I'll
be
talking
here
about
the
expedited
process
for
a
response
to
conflicts
between
prairie-dog
management
policies
and
practices
and
viability
of
agricultural
operations
on
open
space
and
mountain
parks.
This
comes
in
response
to
a
recommendation
by
the
board
and
direction
from
City
Council.
To
do
so.
U
As
these
recommendations
have
been
developed
by
staff
to
give
us
the
opportunity
to
vet
those
get
there
and
that
could
be
incorporated
into
what
we
bring
you
here
today,
as
you've
heard
from
a
number
of
folks
today
and
as
as
the
conclusions
that
both
hewn
council
drew.
There's
the
need
for
a
response
to
the
management
practices
and
policies
for
prairie
dogs
to
help
ensure
agricultural
viability
and
before
I
go
into
the
recommendations
for
this
expedited
process.
U
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
expedited
expedited
process,
because
there
are
things
going
on
right
away
and
I
think
it's
important
to
know
that
we're
doing
this
we're
accelerating
work
in
2019
even
outside
of
this
process.
That
we'll
be
talking
about
a
little
later
going
beyond
our
normal
work
program.
So
one
of
the
things
that
we're
doing
this
year
is
we're.
U
Shifting
the
relocation
focus
from
potentially
other
city
needs
or
private
property
needs
to
focusing
on
colonies
on
irrigated
agricultural
lands
us
so
that
that
can
be
a
priority
for
us
and
that's
a
big
shift
for
us
in
an
open
space
and
in
the
city.
So
that'll
help
us
a
lot
by
being
able
to
use
our
relocation
opportunities
to
address
needs
on
open
space,
as
those
relocation
sites
are
also
on
open
space.
U
Certainly
the
focus
they
within
our
own
lands.
Now
that
we're
kind
of
looking
internally
to
find
to
identify
the
most
important
places
to
relocate.
Prairie
oxfam
we're
looking
at
a
year
ago,
irrigated
agricultural
operations
and
the
most
impacted
of
those
operations,
and
so
that's
sometimes
I
think
is
where
some
of
the
confusion
comes
up.
U
You
know
right
now:
yeah
we're
focused
on
just
a
couple
of
the
operations
that
are
most
affected
by
prairie
dogs
in
terms
of
occupancy,
but
as
Bobby
lover'
indicated,
those
the
the
effects
of
prairie
dogs
go
beyond
that
into
a
number
of
other
agricultural
operations
all
across
all
across
the
open
space
system.
In
addition,
again
this
year,
accelerating
the
work
this
season
will
be
increasing
a
relocation
from
approximately
23
acres
that
would
be
sort
of
the
normal
capacity.
By
looking
at
adding
additional
staff
and
capacity
to
bring
that
up
to
another
10
acres.
U
We
had
targeted
initially
to
do
that
in
an
area
a
number
of
areas,
totaling
about
two
acres,
with
an
additional
capacity
and
focus
on
this,
we're
bringing
that
up.
Some
450
percent
15
acres,
so
really
redoubling
efforts
accelerating
our
work
and
wanted
you
to
know
that
even
within
the
recommendation
you'll
see
for
this
expedited
process,
there's
there's
something
happened
immediately.
I
think
it's!
U
The
message
wanted
to
send
there
so
the
issue
at
hand-
and
this
this
is
language
taken
directly
directly
from
both
the
board
and
council
memo
shion's
is
that
we've
got
prairie
dog
occupancy
levels
that
are
highlighting
for
us.
Some
of
the
conflicts
we
have
between
the
practices
and
policies
that
we've
had
around
prairie
dog
management
and
the
viability
of
our
agricultural
operations.
Both
the
grass
land
plan
and
the
agricultural
resources
management
plan
define
what
viable
agricultural
operations
look
like
we're.
U
So
our
response
and
the
direction
we
get
we
have
received
excuse
me,
is
to
provide
the
board
with
recommendations
to
alleviate
these
conflicts
and
we
entered
this
process
with
a
couple
of
assumptions.
Again.
These
are
borne
from
the
emotions
from
the
Bourdon
Council
that
we
want
to
expedite
this,
and
for
us
that
meant
doing
something
in
months
rather
than
years
to
focus
on
the
northern,
and
by
that
we
mean
north
of
J
row
generally
irrigated
agricultural
lands
that
are
most
affected
by
prairie
dogs.
U
So
that's
something
that
we
know
and
can
certainly
address,
certainly
identify
and
hopefully
address
well
build
on
the
recommendations
of
the
prairie
dog
working
group.
We
we
really
value
in
honor
the
work
of
that
group
of
community
members
in
the
time
that
they
put
in
and
the
recommendations
that
came
forth
and
we
heard
a
little
bit.
You
had
some
questions
about
that.
U
That
John
is
prepared
to
respond
to
we're
going
to
consider
ideas
in
this
that
go
beyond
our
current
work
plan
and
the
current
policies
in
effect
and
and
and
involved
with,
that
is
considering
lethal
control,
key
lining
soil
main
amendments
and
any
other
recommendations
that
we
feel
would
be
useful
to
achieve
the
outcome
of
the
project
in
developing
some
options
for
consideration.
We
looked
at
the
immediacy
of
the
improvement
or
the
relief
from
the
current
situation.
So
how
quickly
do
we
can
see
improvement,
or
at
least
come
forward
with
a
recommendation
to
the
board?
U
What
is
the
effect
of
the
proposal
on
the
continuity
of
our
field
operations?
So
we
know
that
Andy
Heather
are
gonna
need
to
be
involved
in
the
development
of
this
they're,
also
overseeing
field
operations.
So
what
can
we
do
to
minimize
that
or
if
we
move
forward
with
that,
recognize
that
it's
gonna
have
an
effect?
U
Part
of
the
recommendations
certainly
was
to
do
this
through
a
process
that
had
some
level
of
public
engagement,
so
we
wanted
to
come
up
with
something
that
we
felt
would
be
appropriate
and
adequate.
We
also
looked
at
the
opportunity
in
terms
of
the
time
frame
for
appropriate
strategy,
development
and
analysis,
so
that
we
can
hopefully
come
up
with
some
ideas
that
are
persistent
and
affect
effect
lambs
for
a
while
that
they're
just
not
temporary,
and
that
we
also
can
look
broadly
as
broad
as
possible
in
terms
of
geographic
scope.
U
Excuse
me
between
viable
agricultural
uses
of
open
space
and
City
dog,
City,
prairie
dog
policies
and
practices.
So
that's
the
question
that
were
engaging
the
public
around.
We
looked
at
three
alternatives.
They
generally
varied
in
terms
of
their
timeline,
the
one
that
was
a
compressed
process
that
would
take
about
two
months.
The
extent
of
public
engagement,
for
that
would
be
pretty
much
coming
to
the
open
space
board
with
a
memo
and
allowing
people
to
come
to
a
public
hearing
and
provide
their
testimony.
U
So
that
would
be
a
pretty
much
informed
level
of
informed
level
of
a
public
engagement.
According
to
our
engagement
framework,
the
the
second
option
we
looked
at
was
a
little
bit
longer,
so
that
was
four
months
and
that
would
allow
us
an
opportunity
to
provide
an
opportunity
for
public
comment
on
on
the
recommendations
before
they
were
brought
to
the
board
at
a
public
hearing
and
then
an
11-month
process.
That
would
give
us
the
opportunity
to
involve
the
community
to
develop
some
options
that
then
we
could
potentially
have
some
learning
sessions
with
the
community.
U
Excuse
me,
we
also
looked
at
the
impact
ongoing
operations,
our
recommended
alternative
offers
and
how
it
affects
these
other
factors
and
just
jump
to
that.
Our
recommendation,
and
again
after
checking
in
with
Dave
and
Karen
on
this,
was
to
advance
an
idea,
an
alternate
that
would
take
us
about
11
months.
We
would
be
at
that
involved
level
of
public
engagement,
as
I
mentioned
some
learning
sessions,
the
opportunity
on
some
feedback
and
revision
prior
to
returning
to
the
board
with
a
course
of
action.
U
W
V
Have
in
order
to
pull
off
this
accelerated
effort
in
2019,
we
have
shifted
funds
around
to
address
that,
including
a
commitment
from
from
some
support
from
the
city
as
well
and
including
position
to
help
us
do
this
on
both
soil
health
side
and
the
prairie
dog
management
side.
That
will
help
us
not
only
do
this
additional
effort
this
year,
but
will
position
us
well
to
make
additional
progress
in
2020
so
and.
T
We
looked
at
how
we
could
reshuffle
and
put
some
more
resources
that
those
two
stat
positions
could
use
for
on
the
ground
so
again
accelerating
our
work
beyond
what
we
came
to
you
in
April,
with,
as
well
as
being
simultaneously
being
able
to
put
this
process
forward
at
the
same
time.
So
that's
pretty
much
why
we
landed
on
this.
Is
it
allows
us
those
parallel
paths
to
happen?
T
Otherwise,
if
we
were
looking
at
a
much
shorter
process
than
we
were
because
it's
many
of
the
same
staff
are
involved
in
this,
then
we
were
probably
looking
at
having
to
choose
of
how
much
acceleration
we
could
do
in
2019
in
order
to
accelerate
the
public
process,
so
that
that's
sort
of
the
balance
that
we
were.
We
were
trading
off
and
on.
F
One
of
the
questions
about
timing
was
to
what
extent
we
can
have
a
forecast
for
our
agricultural
producers
that
would
help
them
figure
out
what
they're
gonna
do
next
year
and
of
course,
11
months
you
know
is
tricky
in
that
regard.
I
mean,
if
you
thought
about
where
we
might
be
January
February
and
whether
there's
some
things
we
might
be
able
to
talk
about.
Then,
at
that
point
or
scale
of
effort
or
location
of
effort.
That
just
gives
these
folks
a
little
bit
more
to
plan
around
I
know.
V
V
Then
we
don't
have
the
feedback
and
all
really
the
good
thoughts
that
could
emerge
from
a
longer
public
engagement
process,
which
would
probably
run
well
into
January
February.
We
haven't
done
the
project
plan
completely
yet
so
we
don't
know
exactly
how
that
would
lay
out,
but
we
figure
you
know
we're
probably
going
to
need
some
sort
of
learning
session
or
something
to
start
with
and
then
additional
meetings
with
stakeholders
through
the
winter.
V
So
in
turn
and
then,
of
course,
what
our
proposal
is
to
come
back
in
May
before
we
would
even
be
having
solid
recommendations
for
you
to
consider
whether
you
want
to
move
forward
with
those,
and
that
is
putting
us
really
into
2021
before
we
have
probably
much
relief
that
we
can,
you
know,
have
people
and
be
anticipating
it
on
the
backside.
So
just.
F
T
Of
the
discussions
we
had
with
Borden
Council,
we
we
got
direct
motion
to
for
this
public
process,
but
we
also
heard:
is
there
anything
you
could
do
to
accelerate
the
efforts
that
are
there
impact
you
know
how
our
highest
impacted
lands?
So
we
looked
at
those
two
and
that's
that's
the
mix
that
we
look
to
is
that
okay,
let's
accelerate
those
efforts
on
those
lands
feeling
the
most
pain
and
the
ranchers
that
are
feeling
the
most
pain
as
well
as
bringing
along
this
process.
And
so
that's
that's!
F
B
V
I
can
give
a
ballpark
on
that
I'm,
not
gonna.
Do
the
math
on
the
prairie
dogs,
if
that's
okay,
but
it's
about
30
or
40
per
acre
is
approximately
the
numbers
that
we
see.
It
varies
from
site
site.
Of
course,
we
are
hoping
to
finish
the
one
that
won't
affect
the
areas
that
you
are
most
interested
in
doing
relocations
on
it's
not
in
that
area
is
the
new
west
property
just
north
of
j
road
that
we
were
going
to
finish
last
year's
relocation,
which
is
three
acres
there
left.
V
V
That's
at
ten
and
a
half
acres
there
we're
looking
at
Johnson
monarch
property,
that's
14
a
little
over
14
acres
there
for
Baldy
Valley
Ranch,
we're
looking
at
Brubaker
or
southeast
field,
which
is
five
and
a
half
acres
and
we'll
be
doing
using
barriers
in
on
those
properties
because
they're
in
the
middle
of
big
big
period
out
colonies.
So
passive
relocation
we're
looking
at
working
on
the
axles,
Eccleston
coot
lake
property,
about
two
and
a
half
acres
there.
V
Some
work
on
the
IBM
property,
that's
with
Boulder
Valley
Ranch,
and
that
is
to
keep
the
prairie
dogs
there
from
spreading
into
the
into
the
hay
field
on
that
property
and
I.
Don't
have
an
acreage
on
that,
but
I'm
not
sure
we
have
totally
figured
that
one
out
yet
and
then
Laura
Ellison
property
also
suited
with
Boulder
Valley
Ranch
eleven
acres
on
the
pasture
relocation.
V
So
that
gives
you
a
sense
of
now
each
each
one
of
those
that's
a
major
project
to
put
together
the
permits,
pull
together,
the
resources
get
the
staff
geared
up
and
a
contract
to
go.
Do
all
those
this.
This
is,
as
Mark
said,
you
know
we're
going
from
like
23
acres
to
33
this
year,
which
is
more
prairie
dogs
than
we've
ever
relocated
ever
before
it's
it'll
it'll,
be
you
know
up
around
probably
a
thousand
prairie
dogs.
We
do
have
the
sites
to
relocate
them
on
and
we
believe
we
will
get
the
permit
for
it.
V
If,
if
we
have
additional
techniques
that
we
might
be
able
to
work
with
in
2020
that
that
could
mean
that
we
would
not
know
until
after,
at
least
until
after
May,
depending
on
what
that
approach
was,
it
might
be
longer,
but
the
regular
routine
operations
of
relocation.
We
probably
would
know
that
in
so
March
March
or
so.
Something
like
that.
March
April
make
sure.
A
So
I
have
a
few
questions
related
to
you
know,
Mike.
My
hope
that
we
could
have
done
this
a
little
sooner
about
keenly
aware
of
the
fact
that
this
you
know
came
to
staff
as
a
surprise
for
out
of
nowhere,
and
this
wasn't
on
your
work
plan.
I
am
certainly
mindful
of
those
realities,
but
at
the
same
time,
a
lot
of
you
know.
What
drove
us
to
where
we
are
is
the
sense
that
we
have
an
immediate
problem
and
that
that
often
requires
some.
You
know,
expedition
on
the
process.
A
Side
in
order
to
you
know,
have
something
on
the
ground.
So
could
you
first
describe
the
timeframes
between
you
know
when
we
greenlight
this
and
the
eleven
month?
That's
eleven
months
from
now
approach,
sort
of
I
think
I
assume,
there's
sort
of
three
stages:
one
is
sort
of
defining
the
process.
What
are
it
going
to
be
the
components
in
terms
of
meetings
etc?
Second
is
carrying
out
that
process,
and
then
third
is
presumably
some
number
of
months
when
you're
digesting
the
results
of
the
process
and
putting
together
the
recommendation,
but
an
understanding.
V
So,
as
I
mentioned,
we
have
not
completed
a
project
plan,
yet
that
would
be
our
next
step.
If
you
greenlight
this
kind
of
a
timeframe,
I
can
tell
you
that
approximately
so
part
of
the
reason
we're
recommending
this
one
and
we
we
can
do
something
different
if
you
want.
But
this
is
just
what
we
thought
was
the
best
balance
of
our
ongoing
work
versus
the
time
and
the
staff
it
would
take
to
move
into
this
sort
of
a
process
and
do
it
well.
V
Then
we
would
likely,
as
I
mentioned,
we'd
likely
do
some
sort
of
listening
session
or
learning
session,
something
some
way
that
we
can
try
to
have
peep
as
equal
footing
on
understanding
all
of
the
complexities
around
this
management
issue.
As
possible
and
then
and
then
we
would
then
depending
on
what
we
worked
out
as
the
appropriate
public
engagement
approach,
we
would
then
roll
into
those
types
of
meetings
to
get
feedback
and
answer
the
question
that
Mark
had
put
up
on
the
screen
for
you
earlier
essentially
from
the
public.
V
What
is
what
is
the
feedback
that
we
would
be
getting?
We
would
then
incorporate
that
into
recommendations
which
would
probably
be
early
in
2020,
and
this
approach
would
give
us
then
also
some
time
to
float
those
back
out
with
stakeholders
to
get
a
response
and
incorporate
that
sort
of
feedback
into
our
final
recommendations
to
you,
which
would
come
in
May
and.
F
I
assume
a
key
part
I
think
you
alluded
to
this
of
the
longer.
The
eleven
month
process
is
to
not
tie
up
our
field
staff
this
summer.
Yes,
we're
doing
the
expedited
and
expedited
management
of
prairie-dog,
so
you're,
probably
trying
to
figure
out
how
can
we
keep
those
people
working
full-time
in
the
field,
but
do
some
initial
planning
for
this
effort?
I'm
guessing
that's
correct,
yep
and.
B
A
You
were
alluding
to
this,
but
I
the
intermediate
deliverable
that
you're
envisioning
is
something
that
you
would
then
take,
so
that
the
board
would
see-
and
you
would
take
back
to
the
stakeholders
prior
to
May
of
2020,
because
obviously,
what
would
be
particularly
concerning
as
if
the
way
this
work
was
you
you
don't
listen
to
the
public
and
then
in
May
of
2020.
For
the
first
time
we
hear
all
right.
Here's
the
recommendation,
because
that
likely
I
be
on
that
board.
But
that
likely
will
you.
A
That
may
not
be
the
final
word
on
the
issue
and
if
the
board
reaction
is
sort
of
well
more
to
be
done,
you
know,
maybe
you
don't
get
the
council
until
the
fall
and
I
think
we're
starting
at
that
point
to
miss
the
so
yeah
I'd
be
curious
to
understand
what
the
intermediate
deliverables
or
check-ins
are.
However,
one
might
describe
that
would
be
so
that,
whether
it's
May
of
2020
or
some
other
date
on
which
you
come
to
the
board
at
that
point,
the
board
is
fairly
deeply
and
you
know
on
well
on
board.
U
I
think
we
can
take
advantage
of
written
updates,
as
well
as
verbal
updates
to
the
board
about
those
intermediate
steps,
we'll
be
considering
a
suite
of
strategies,
some
of
which
I
think
staff
will
take
the
first
shot
at
probably
prior
to
the
listening
sessions
and
learning
sessions
describing
the
situations.
So
we
can
keep
the
board
up
to
date
on
what
the
situation
is,
particularly
so
that
those
details
will
be
more
available.
We've
with
the
development
of
the
urban
wildlife
management
plan,
prairie
dog
component,
we
looked
pretty
thoroughly
across
a
range
of
management
techniques.
U
So
there's
some
city
work,
that's
been
done.
Certainly
the
prairie
dog
committee,
the
recent
prairie
dog
working
group,
excuse
me,
has
done
some
work,
but
we'll
have
at
least
an
initial
draft
of
ideas
that
war
will
be
seeking
response
affirmation
additions
to
comments
on
from
the
public.
So
we
can
share
those
ideas,
as
they're
developed
with
the
board
as
well.
U
So
none
of
this
stuff
will
come
as
a
surprise
and
we
can
also
gather
feedback
from
the
board
at
an
intermediate
stage
if,
if
that's
desired,
or
if
a
written
update,
prompts
the
board
to
say
we'd,
like
some
more
information
on
that
or
we'd
like
to
provide
some
input
on
that,
we'd
have
that
opportunity
as
well.
So
I
think
we'd
have
opportunity
for
our
number
of
check-ins
along
the
way,
because
we're
going
to
be
developing
these
work
products
as
part
of
the
process
anyway.
U
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
we've
heard
and
know
is
is
really
useful,
for
the
board
is
to
make
sure
that
whatever
the
board
is
being
presented
with
is
something
that
has
had
the
opportunity
to
be
vetted
by
the
community,
so
they
you're
seeing
either
response
the
final
response
to
something
that
folks
have
have
seen
before,
so
that
you
know
there's
some
level
of
confidence
that
these
things
have
been
talked
about.
I.
V
F
F
What
additional
analyses
need
to
be
done
so
that
we're
really
guiding
the
process
to
address
those
unknowns
more
than
you
know,
just
re-airing,
a
lot
of
things
that
we've
already
churned
about
quite
a
bit
already,
and
so,
if,
if
you
can
share
your
thinking
at
some
point
in
the
planning
about
these,
the
target
questions
data
analyses
that
we
think
really
will
help
inform
the
decision.
I
think
that
would
be
great.
E
I
just
wanted
to
thank
staff
for
the
extra
expedited
process.
I
know
it's
hard
to
go
from
zero
to
sixty,
but
you
guys
did
it
successfully,
and
so
thank
you
for
taking
some
substantial
action
in
2019
like
Tom
might
I
do
have
some
concerns
related
to
the
eleven
month
process,
because
even
if
we
get
to
the
end
of
the
process-
and
it's
like
okay,
we're
gonna,
let's
just
say
we're-
gonna
try
lethal
control.
Well.
E
At
that
point,
then
we
have
to
decide
how
exactly
to
go
about
lethal,
controlling
by
a
perk
machine
or
hire
a
contractor
and
all
this
stuff
and
and
that
pushes
us
well
into
2021.
So
anything
anything
you
can
do
in
your
powers
to
make
it
shorter
than
eleven
months.
I
think
it's
just
gonna
help
our
community
a
lot.
Okay,.
Y
E
I'm
really
glad
that
co-learning
is
a
component
of
the
recommended
alternative,
because
I
think
we've
all
learned
through
this
very
successful
master
planning
process
that
giving
the
community
an
opportunity
to
benefit
from
all
the
expertise
of
staff
and
really
learn
about
all
the
different
intricacies
of
something
gets
us
to
a
place
where,
where
everyone's
like
all
right
worth,
ZUP.
Okay,
let's
go
so
thank
you.
I.
A
Certainly
don't
want
to
get
into
sort
of
micromanaging
welcome
to
shave
a
month
here,
I
would
say
you
know
some
of
this
will
play
out
as
I
would
hope.
As
you
develop
it,
you
you
know,
can
make
adjustments
depending
on
what
you're
learning,
but
I
would
also
take
maximum
advantage
of
the
fact
that,
unlike
a
lot
of
processes
where,
like
the
North
TSA,
well,
nobody
even
those.
What
is
that?
What
are
you
talking
about?
Why
should
I
care,
and
even
halfway
through
it,
they're
still
wondering
what
is
this
about,
and
why
should
I
care?
A
This
is
different
and
perhaps
different
than
any
other
process
we've
had
I
mean
it
was
on
the
front
page
of
the
paper
several
times.
It's
already
gone
to
council
many
of
a
number
of
stakeholders,
obviously
physically
present
today,
and
have
been
present
for
quite
some
time.
It's
not
like
a
lot
of
work
needs
to
be
done
to
inform
stakeholders,
oh
by
the
way,
we're
beginning
a
process.
A
You
know
they've
been
if
anything
here
you
know
telling
us
to
do
this
long
ago,
and
so,
as
you
think
about
well,
what
should
the
process
be
and
I
would
hope
that
you
would
take
advantage
of
that
knowledge
and
not
have
an
unduly
long
sort
of
ramp
up
of
what
we're
gonna
have
to
reach
out
to
the
public?
My
guess
is:
very
little
needs
to
be
done
to
alert
the
process.
The
public.
A
To
this
sure
you
actually
have
to
say
well,
there's
going
to
be
a
meeting
on
this
day
and
can
we
have
this
character
and
then
there'll
be
another
media
on
this
day,
and
this
is
going
to
be
the
character
of
that,
and
you
know,
presentations
and
receiving
information
online
in
person.
All
that
has
to
be
laid
out,
but
I
think
you'll
find
as
soon
as
you
define
that
people
are
ready
to
jump
in
and
start
offering
points
of
view.
V
Appreciate
that
in
and
you
know,
I
will
admit
that
we
were
hoping.
This
is
an
under
promise
to
you
to
delivery
by
May.
However,
the
upfront
is
a
trade-off
with
work
that
we
want
to
be
doing
this
year
to
accelerate
relocation,
so
it
won't
get
started
this
month
or
next
month.
That's
the
folks
that
we
yeah
so
and.
X
V
U
U
We
wanted
to
make
sure
that
was
part
of
the
thinking
just
because
of
we
to
recognize
that
you
know.
11
months
is
really
what
we
think
it's
going
to
take
so
that
we
we
don't
over,
commit
and
underperform.
We
really
want
to
make
sure
we
can
provide
a
realistic
forecast,
but
that
happens
in
the
context
of
these
accelerated
efforts
that
are
within
the
existing
direction
that
we
have
I.
B
Just
want
to
make
one
more
comment:
that
urging
the
staff
to
be
mindful
that
an
informal
survey
of
the
majority
of
the
board
wishes
that
before
Tom's
tenure,
and
that
we
in
fact
give
him
the
opportunity
to
work
the
Strait
and
commit
to
whatever
the
process
is
going
to
be
so
be
mindful
that
that
is
sometime.
In
April.
V
We're
if
it's
sort
of
if
this
seems
okay
and
we
heard
what
you
were
telling
us
and
we'll
incorporate
that
into
our
plan.
Our
thought
was
that
we
would
probably
put
together
an
IP
for
council
sometime
in
the
next
few
in
the
next
month,
or
so
to
explain
the
progress
that
we're
making
here
and
what
the
plan
is
and
that
we
would
proceed
from
there
and.
U
That
would
be
a
written
update
to
the
board
as
well
and
we'll
continue
to
update
the
prairie-dog
webpage
that
we've
got
going.
So
this
process
is
documented.
The
presentation
will
be
there
and
we'll
use
that
also
to
make
sure
that
further
upcoming
meetings
are
have
another
place
where
they're
noticed
as
well
and.
T
A
T
Z
Hi
there
Lauren
kill
coin
Central,
Services
Manager
for
SMP
and
as
Dan
mentioned,
this
is
our
third
touch
with
the
CIP
this
year,
public
hearing
discussion
and
recommendation.
The
purpose
of
the
April
meeting
was
a
very
high
level
overview,
followed
by
a
more
in-depth
discussion
last
month
at
the
May
business
meeting
and
as
we've
developed
this
over
time,
our
goal
has
has
been
to
give
these
five
touches
as
compared
with
one
in
previous
years
to
make
sure
that
in
the
May
meeting,
we
get
your
list
of
questions
that
are
able
to
incorporate
any
refinements.
Z
So,
hopefully
you
see
everything
you
asked
for
last
month
reflected
after
tonight
we'll
be
moving
on
to
the
operating
budget
and
we've
gotten
a
couple
inquiries
from
you
around
cost
allocation
and
where
that
fits
into
our
overall
budget.
So
we
will
begin
to
talk
about
that
next
month.
At
the
July
meeting
the
purposes
of
tonight
we'll
do
a
quick
update
on
the
budget
process.
Again
follow-up
from
last
month
give
you
time
for
any
clarifying
questions
before
public
comment.
Z
If
there,
if
there
is
any
okay
in
a
recreation,
so
behind
the
scenes
in
between
these
monthly
meetings,
we're
very
busy
doing
the
accounting
in
the
budget,
entry
of
it
also,
our
team
has
been
working
through
the
budget
guidelines
that
are
provided
by
the
finance
department,
and
that
is
everything
from
our
salary
and
benefits
to
energy
and
utilities.
All
the
things
that
go
into
making
up
our
budget,
so
we
have
multiple
models
that
are
given
to
us
over
the
course
of
this
process.
Z
So
these
have
been
updated
twice
now
and
we
expect
another
couple
of
iterations
before
this
is
all
through.
But
what
you
have
in
your
packet
tonight
is
our
first
draft
of
our
fund
financial.
We
will
make
many
of
these
over
the
course
of
the
next
few
months,
their
point
in
time
documents,
so
they
very
quickly
change,
but
hopefully
that
is
useful
as
we
as
we
gear
up
for
the
operating
discussion
next
month
and
we
have
submitted
our
CIP
materials
to
the
city's
peer
review
team.
Z
That's
a
staff
team,
a
cross-functional
staff
team
from
all
different
departments
who
come
together
and
give
each
other
feedback
on
CIP.
So
Kelly
waterbuck
presented
for
us
on
on
Monday
morning
and
that
one
very
well
overall
support
for
our
approach
with
very
minor
edits,
so
we're
incorporating
those
behind
the
scenes
this
week
to
resubmit
our
CIP
next
week.
So
this
week
we
hear
from
you
and
from
the
peer
review
team,
so
great
timing.
Z
What's
on
the
recommended
CIP,
we
did
hear
that
we
needed
to
clarify
further
which
projects
have
lottery
dollars
and
we
have
an
updated
lottery
target
from
a
couple
weeks
ago
that
helped
us
clarify
all
of
that
and
finally,
the
in
future
budget
cycles.
We
should
be
more
clear
around
carryover
and
its
role
and
acquisition
funding.
So
we
will.
We
will
certainly
do
that
moving
forward.
As
we
talk
about
acquisitions
and
just
to
reiterate
that
work
planning
process,
we
did
start
out
with
about
12
million
an
initial
project
request
from
staff.
Z
Those
are
things
that
have
come
from
approved
plans
that
they're
there
they'd
like
to
get
going
on
and
through
that
work
plan
steering
team
we
narrowed
down
to
about
3.6
million
in
the
recommended.
Cip
excuse
me,
CIP
that
you
have
very
iterative
process
scoring
and
ranking
and
norming
etcetera
to
come
up
with
a
number
that
you
see
tonight
and
overall,
this
is
a
1.4
million
dollar
decrease
from
the
current
2019
CIP.
Z
Again
lots
of
consensus,
building
and
process
went
into
this
and
appreciated
your
comments
last
month
and
making
it
stronger
so
to
speak
briefly
on
lottery
funding
we
every
year
get
an
initial
target
of
about
three
hundred
and
fifty
five
thousand
in
support
of
OS
MP.
The
lottery
dollars
are
divided
open
space,
mountain
parks,
parks
and
recreation
and
greenways.
Z
So
we
get
about
forty
five
percent
of
the
overall
allocation
to
the
city,
so
that
number
has
been
revised
up
based
on
the
revenues
from
the
last
couple
of
years,
so
we're
now
anticipating
four
hundred
and
twenty
eight
thousand
dollars
and
as
we
looked
at
what
to
do
with
that
additional
revenue
and
on
the
heels
of
John
and
mark
in
their
presentation,
we
sort
of
saw
prairie-dog
management
in
soil
health
as
those
top
priority
projects
that
should
get
additional
dollars.
Should
we
have
them
so
we
shifted
some
things
around.
Z
The
anemone
project
had
been
jointly
funded
in
2020
by
the
Lottery
Fund
in
the
open
space
fund.
So
we
use
the
additional
lottery
dollars
to
lend
to
an
anemone,
to
free
up
open
space
dollars
towards
prairie
dog
management
and
soil
health,
and
it
seems
overly
complicated
what
it
gets
at
is
we
use
our
lottery
dollars
for
things
that
are
placa
ball,
and
it
was
difficult
to
to
say
that
we
could
easily
plaque
something
like
prairie
dog
management.
Z
You
see
the
CIP
budget
there
in
addition
to
the
current
year,
300k
that
we
have
dedicated
in
the
capital
program
and
the
staffing
update
that
that
John
and
Dan
Hannah
net,
the
general
fund
has
agreed
to
support
the
current
year
costs
to
hire
two
fixed
term
FTE
we're
still
figuring
out
in
the
out-years
what
that
means
and
how
we
fund
it.
But
for
now
we
actually
are
ready
to
go.
We've
offered
the
soil
health
position
to
an
employee
on
staff.
Z
Currently
lauren
Kolb
who's
been
doing
work
for
us
who's,
brilliant
and
will
be
under
filling
or
posting.
The
positions
she's
been
in
out
of
in
a
fixed-term
basis
to
get
some
support
for
the
AG
work
that
she's
doing
so.
The
other
position
to
support
Heather
Swanson's
team
in
prairie
dog
management
is,
is
going
to
be
posting
in
a
couple
of
weeks,
so
hitting
the
ground
running
and
support
and
appreciate
the
support
and
being
able
to
move
quickly
on
all
of
that
and
before
we
get
to
clarifying
questions.
Z
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
Karen
sent
in
a
couple
of
great
additional
comments
yesterday
that
between
study
session
and
other
things,
I
was
not
able
to
turn
around
so
the
first
of
those
was,
if
you
remember
in
past
budgets,
we
had
CIP
sheets.
They
were
these
one-page
documents
out
of
our
financial
system
called
munis,
and
they
gave
a
couple
paragraphs
of
text
and
you
could
see
the
out-year
funding
per
project,
so
we've
been
getting
those
ready,
but
they
were
not
quite
ready
for
me
to
turn
in
today.
Z
So
I
will
share
those
after
the
fact
they're
very
high
level,
and
what
you
have
in
your
packet
gets
rolled
up
into
what's
on
that
sheet,
if
that
makes
sense,
so
I
will
put
in
a
caveat,
there's
a
bit
of
a
limitation
on
those
project
sheets.
As
you
see
it,
in
your
packet,
we've
been
able
to
link
projects
to
multiple
focus
areas
of
the
master
plan,
so
one
project
might
hit
on
three
in
the
financial
system.
We
have
to
designate
one
primary
focus
area
to
be
able
to
do
the
budget
tracking.
Z
So
when
you
see
those
it
will
look
like
we've
chosen
a
project
to
fit
in
a
focus
area.
It
just
no.
It's
not
quite
that
simple,
but
that's
the
way
that
the
system
allows
us
to
do
that,
so
we'll
be
sharing
those
after
the
meeting
and
Karen
had
also
asked
if
there
was
a
way
to
share
a
couple
sentences
on
each
project
and
what
makes
up
the
dollar
amount
and
I
just
wasn't
able
to
pull
that
together
today.
G
X
Some
questions
on
on
what
the
projects
are
for
several
of
these
and
the
first
one
is
under
the
lottery
fund
items,
the
four-mile,
canyons,
Creek
stream,
restoration
and
crossing,
and
it's
hard
for
me
to
put
together
all
the
parts.
But
I
thought
there
was
something
other
section
about
Four,
Mile
Creek,
maybe
not
yeah.
Z
4
Mile,
Creek
and
I'll
start
and
others
can
chime
in
who
are
more
involved
in
the
project.
If
I,
don't,
if
I
don't
get
it
quite
right,
we
had
some
non
FEMA
flood
damage
to
that
site
several
years
ago
and
initially
we're
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
repair
in
place
what
was
damaged.
It
became
clear
in
the
last
couple
of
years
that
that
was
not
going
to
be
the
best
strategy
moving
forward.
Z
You
can't
make
water
go
where
it
doesn't
want
to
go,
and
we
were
trying
to
engineer
some
things
that
that
weren't
quite
right.
So
what
we've
refocused
on
is
how
we
do
a
stream
restoration
project
in
that
area,
so
we've
actually
been
gradually
funding
this
project
for
several
several
years,
and
this
would
be
the
final
150,000
to
be
able
to
complete
the
stream
restoration
upstream
and
downstream
from
where
the
flood
damage
was.
Z
Well,
other
should
correct
me,
not
a
bridge
like
we
had
been
thinking
about
it,
some
crossing
or
box
box
to
go
over,
but
it's
it's
really
been
recast
to
more
of
a
stream
restoration
project.
It
was
identified
last
year
through
the
CIP
as
a
project
that
should
undergo
what's
called
a
seep.
So
it's
a
further
analysis
and
planning
on
that
site,
so
we're
working
with
planning
staff
right
now
to
go
through
those
efforts
and
finalize
design
and
we've.
X
Z
B
Z
E
A
A
Z
Yeah
I
don't
want
to
speak
out
of
turn
without
the
project
manager
here
and
in
that,
but
I'm
wondering
if
maybe
we
could
send
some
follow-up
information.
It
is
the
this
would
be
the
third
or
fourth
year
of
us
gradually
adding
funding
to
this
project.
So
before
it
before
we
were
to
to
move
forward,
we
can
bring
forward
more
information.
A
Yeah
I
had
the
same
sense,
David
I'm,
not
sure
where
else
Green
Wave's
would
be
putting
a
bridge
across
four
mile,
the
rest
of
that
at
least
from
of
greenways.
That's
good
as
far
as
I
ride
that
fairly
often
it's
in
perfectly
good
shape.
As
far
as
I
know,
there's
the
underpass,
and
then
you
I
mean
it
sort
of
dead.
You
know,
then
you
wind
up
in
the
neighborhood
streets,
I.
B
Z
No
I'll
start
and
mark
can
correct
me.
They
are
connected
and
under
the
program
evaluation
plan.
What
we
had
talked
about
last
month
was
developing
tool
to
measure
success
in
meeting
goals
for
the
programs
and
be
able
to
track
against
the
master
plan,
outcomes
and
strategies
so
setting
the
framework,
then
to
be
able
to
do
that.
Z
So
this
is
part
of
that
effort.
We
had
talked
about
over
the
last
couple
of
months
to
bring
together
some
disparate
CIP
funding.
So
in
the
past
you
would
have
seen
part
of
that
money
in
cultural
part
in
facilities,
part
in
outbuildings
and
conversion
of
the
AG
property.
So
what
we've
done
is
bring
all
of
that
together
and
what
we
did
is
we
looked
at
the
past
several
years
of
data,
so
what
did
it
cost
to
do
the
entire
site
at
heart
and
angle,
hunter,
cold,
etc?
This
is
an
estimate.
T
For
agricultural
tenancy,
which
is
the
big
shift,
it
didn't,
have
an
agricultural
tenant
in
before
and
as
part
of
our
effort
to
match
open
space
charter
purposes.
To
some
of
the
reticence
we
own,
there
was
a
need
to
have
an
agricultural
tendon
there
and
so
and
to
convert
some
of
the
outbuildings
for
agricultural
use,
and
it's
going
to
be
associated
once
it's
completed
with
the
surrounding
agricultural
lands
that
we
have
there
and
it
will
be
housing
for
agricultural
tenant.
X
T
Is
Andy
still
here?
No
any
luck,
like
I
said
what
I
know
of
I.
Don't
know
how
the
selection
process
was,
but
it
will
be
housing
for
agricultural
workers,
who
are
the
current
tenants
out
on
the
surrounding
adjacent
open
space
lands
of
the
agricultural
leased
lands.
So
it's
it's
a
direct
relationship
between
the
adjacent
lands
and
and
housing
for
the
workers.
Z
This
is
a
we've,
a
quite
outdated
on
its
last
legs,
current
system
for
Ranger
records
management,
and
we
had
tried
a
couple
of
years
ago.
There
was
a
citywide
effort
in
in
police.
Police
was
heading
that
up
and
it
wasn't
going
to
meet
the
needs
of
the
Rangers,
and
so
we've
we're
continuing
to
look
for
ways
to
partner
citywide.
Z
A
O
A
A
A
It
was
a
City
Attorney's,
Office
view
that
that
is
not
open
space,
and
it
was
the
board's
view
that
it
is
open
space
and
so
I'm
completely
fine,
with
spending
money
on
what
we
perceived
to
be
our
road
doing,
repairs
there,
but
would
just
put
down
a
marker
that
should
at
some
point
in
the
future
there
be
a
further
disagreement
or
difference
of
opinion
on
whose
that
is.
We
might
just
remind
that.
We
spend
money
on
repairing
it.
Thank.
Z
G
Z
B
Had
one
other
actually
comment
rather
than
question
that
I
think
it's
worth
noting
in
my
rather
rapid
in
in
cursory
calculations,
that
almost
a
third
of
the
CIP
for
this
year
looks
like
it's
dedicated
to
agricultural
pursuits
and
I.
Think
that
should
be
acknowledged
that
we're
you
know
the
open
space
Department
is
putting
a
fair
amount
of
money
into.
You
know
the
agricultural
component
of
the
program.
B
When
you
look
at
then
the
deferred
maintenance
on
trails
that
the
agricultural
component
is
about
three
times
what
it
is,
the
deferred
maintenance
for
this
year
and
so
I
think
you
know
the
department
should
take
credit
for
both
and
if
Dan's
estimate
of
forty
million
dollars
is
correct.
What
we're
spending
this
year
is
what
about
1%
of
that
right.
T
And
that's
just
an
hour
capital
improvement
program.
A
lot
of
our
trail
works
is
funded
out
of
operations.
So
that's
why
it's
a
little
bit
wonky
here,
where
we
look
right
distinctly
at
there's
a
lot
more
resources
being
to
bear
through
our
operational
budgets
for
the
trail
work
I,
also
just
to
follow
up
in
your
comment
just
doing
some
rudimentary
math
myself
that
23
of
our
36
overall
projects
touching
ecosystem
health
and
resilience.
T
X
A
M
More
money,
it's
Lindsay,
Hill
mountain
height.
You
would
have
more
money
in
your
budget
if
you
control
the
air-conditioning
and
HVAC
in
this
building
and
had
your
input
because
I
can
guarantee
you
that
I
am
feeling
very
cold
and
I.
Keep
my
place
at
80
degrees
in
the
summer
and
I
think
acceptable
is
68
in
the
winter,
but
I'm
at
47
in
the
winter.
Actually,
so
I'm,
mostly
hibernate
in
the
winter,
has
it's
so
cold
and
I
can't
justify.
Turning
on
the
heat,
my
big
house
so.
M
A
X
Z
Complicated
question
the
longest
garden,
in
particular
our
staff
and
in
chat
chime
in
if
I'm
missing
anything,
but
our
staff
have
been
supporting
the
work,
but
any
contracts
have
been
paid
for
out
of
a
general
fund
account
so
not
through
cost
allocation.
More
broadly,
the
way
cost
allocation
would
work.
Z
First
folks
are
interviewed
from
internal
service
departments
around
what
services
they
provide
to
us,
and
then
we
are
interviewed
around
what
services
we
provide
to
the
rest
of
the
city
so
because
we,
regardless
of
what
the
site
is,
have
some
level
of
consultation
on
real
estate
matters.
We
do
often
bring
that
up
as
a
service
we
provide
to
the
city
and
cost
allocation
so
without
getting
into
I.
Couldn't
tell
you
the
numbers
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but.
A
Z
AA
A
In
favor
of
Kurt's
motion,
okay,
so
that's
unanimous
all
right!
Well!
Thank
you!
Lauren
thanks
Laurie.
Thank
you.
So
I
think
we
now
turn
to
matters
from
the
board,
the
first
of
which
is
the
greenways
Advisory,
Committee
I.
Think
there's
I
think
there's
two
issues
here.
What
is
the
personnel
issue
and
we
need
to
appoint
someone
to
be
the
GAC
representative
and
the
other
is
the
actual
substance
of
what
will
be
discussed
at
the
July
or
August
GAC
meeting.
E
I
mean
I
think
it's
fantastic
to
sit
down
once
a
year.
It's
a
small
commitment,
so
that's
nice,
but
once
a
year
with
other
boards
make
that
kind
of
networking
kind
of
connection
and
think
about
some
projects
holistically
throughout
the
whole
city.
So
yeah,
it's
a
minor
lift,
but
it's
it's
fun.
I
would.
A
Add
I
was
big
at
representative
from
83
years
earlier
in
my
career
on
the
board,
and
it
was
our
practice
that
and
I
I
would
recommend
it
to
continue
to
be
our
practice,
to
have
a
more
junior
person
serving
that
role
in
the
belief
that
their
well,
they
only
meet
once
a
year.
So
the
extent
there's
any
learning
curve
you
have
to
serve
at
least
two
years.
A
A
AB
G
E
A
AB
You
know
I,
think
Tom
may
be
the
only
one
familiar
some
of
them
we
did
dispose
of
so
so
that
gets
kind
of
funny,
because
the
actual
paved
surface
is
not
open
space,
but
there
is
kind
of
a
patchwork
now
of
paved
trails
that
are
considered
greenways,
that
or
part
of
the
greenways
program
that
that
we
do
interact
with
them.
On,
but
again,
I
haven't
seen
your
list
of
what
you're
looking
at
and.
AB
Again,
we
operate
with
transportation,
so
I,
don't
necessarily
know
it's
called
or
tagged
a
greenways
project,
but
yes,
I
do
believe
it.
That's
the
Andrus
to
Airport
trail
that
you're
looking
at
and
that
is
crossing
open
space,
but
we
have
already
approved
that
for
the
disposal
once
the
trail
is
built
so
again
crossing
through
open
space.
We
had
traded
that
that
right-of-way,
that
that
crossed
through
the
old
pearl,
Parkway
extension
for
the
ability
for
them
to
put
these
trails
on
or
the
airport
tenders
trail
and
those
other
trails
on
our
property.
E
To
back
it
up,
you
know
so
I
mean
it's
I'm.
Just
gonna
read
here.
The
Greenway
CIP
follows
opportunistic
approach,
contributing
funding
towards
projects
they're
being
completed
by
other
departments
or
private
development
to
meet
the
various
objectives
of
the
greenways
program.
So
that's
it's
less!
It's
not
I!
Think
it's
in
our
brains.
We
tend
to
flip
it
that
it's
like
it's
a
green
waste
project
and
on
our
lands.
AB
C
H
B
T
U
Folks
in
the
planning
staff
has
typically
been
working
with
I
think
we
work
with
Tom
both
and
Andrea
in
the
past.
For
some
reason,
this
one
may
have
slipped
through.
That
we'd
certainly
be
happy
to
have
somebody
work
with
Dave
we
do
coordinate
with
Bethany
and
with
Mary,
Ann
and
Don
and
and
all
the
other
knowledge
holders
about
past
projects,
because
a
lot
of
these
things
do
have
a
long
time.
So
we
could
make
an
appointment.
A
Also,
just
FYI
at
least
is
not
afford
a
benefit.
Historically,
the
the
greenways
staff
person
was
also
very
willing
to
speak
to
anyone
from
any
of
the
six
departments
who
were
represented
and
they
used
to
be
any
noble.
I,
don't
know
Katie
Knapp,
but
I
would
imagine,
as
she
has
the
same
practice
of
being
available.
If
you
have
questions
about
specific
projects
and
of
course
we
will
have
additional
meetings
between
now
and
then,
if
you
have
questions
that
you
think
ought
to
be
bounced
off
the
board,
we're
here
to
try
to
be
helpful.
Thank
you.
A
A
Is
the
community
meeting
for
the
gun
barrel,
Hill
ISP,
which
was
previously
noticed?
But
at
that
time
we
didn't
actually
have
the
time
and
date
of
the
meeting.
It's
gonna
be
June,
19th
and
5
to
7:30
at
the
hub.
So
that's
the
next
meeting
on
the
gun
barrel
Hill
is
P
June,
19
5
to
7:30
at
the
hub
and
then
so.
A
I
would
ask
that
we
have
a
nod
of
5
if
we
can
on
noticing
those
two
meetings
as
public
meetings,
the
open
space
board
of
trustees,
and
we
have
5
nods
on
that
and
then
just
a
reminder.
This
has
been
previously
noticed,
but
a
reminder
to
the
public
that
we
have
two
meetings
on
the
Rundle
in
lake
isp.
The
first
is
june
21
from
2:00
to
4:00
at
the
North
Pole
directs
center,
and
the
second
is
Tuesday
June
25th
from
5:30
to
7:30
and
that's
at
the
hub.
Those
are
again
on
one
Doolin,
Lake
ISP.
X
I'd
like
to
bring
up
the
Cu
South
work,
that's
going
on
in
the
discussion
and
counsel.
I
would
very
much
like
and
I.
Don't
know
whether
it's
a
board
or
a
department
function,
but
to
have
a
field
trip
for
some
combination
of
the
new
staff
that
are
not
now
in
that
project.
That
don't
seem
to
know
anything
about
the
open,
adjacent,
open
space
lands
which
would
be
significantly
impacted.
X
And
perhaps
council
members
and
I
would
also
like
to
know
whether
board
members
would
like
to
go
out
there
on
a
field
trip
just
sort
of
see
the
lay
of
the
land
and
learn
about
the
impact
of
the
currently
proposed
floodwall,
not
in
the
C
dot
right-of-way,
but
on
open
space
land.
For
this
project.
As
it
seems
to
me
like
a
big.
T
F
S
A
T
X
T
I
can
provide
an
email
update
on
what
we're
thinking
and
rather
than
just
maybe
honing
in
on
that
particular
timeframe.
Maybe
as
we
learn
more
about
what
July
meeting
will
be
if
it's
not
directly,
if
July
is
just
an
update
meeting
and
there's
no
action,
for
instance,
and
it
would
be
hard
for
us
to
put
something
together
before
that
July
meeting,
and
we
might
look
for
after
that.
But
if,
if
it
ends
up
that
July
is
going
to
be
some
sort
of
actionable
item
which
I'm
not
thinking
it
would
be.
At
this
point
and.
X
A
I,
don't
want
to
make
one
quick
comment
on
the
anemone
Hill
and
thank
you
and
the
board
had
requested
that
the
general
idea
was
that
if
a
trail
project
potentially
diverged
from
the
conceptual
alignment
to
sufficient
degree
that
we
want
to
take
a
look
at
it
that
you'd
flag
it
for
us
as
you've
done
and
appreciate
that
I
just
I
thought
that
the
proposal
you
know
it
didn't
raise
any
red
flags
with
me.
I
just
wanted
to
you
know
make
at
least
clear
whether
someone
does
have
a
concern
so
that
silence
doesn't
get
misinterpreted.
F
X
G
X
X
T
W
Sure
yeah
I'm
happy
to
talk
about
it
more
there's,
basically
with
closing
the
undesignated
trails
up
there.
It
allows
us
to
close
about
five
miles
of
undesignated
trails,
to
establish
a
three
mile
designated
trail
loop
and
really
the
effort
to
effectively
close.
Those
and
designated
trails
needs
to
be
multifaceted
and
I've,
been
in
discussion
with
our
Rangers.
W
We'll
do
a
lot
of
reseeding,
with
with
native
seed
mix
and
erosion,
blanket
and
disguising
trails
with
with
branches
and
logs
and
where
needed,
we
will
do
bike
and
rail
fence.
Additionally,
we'll
do
will
do
signage
both
in
terms
of
educating
users
about
what
is
closed
and
what
is
open
and
then
at
least
on
a
temporary
basis.
Until
we
have
the
new
use
pattern
established
we're
looking
at
doing
some
directional
or
navigation
signage.
If
you
will
to
let
people
know
where
are
the
destinations
on
an
M&E
Hill?
Where
does
the
new
trail
loop
go.
A
W
A
W
B
G
A
G
T
T
A
AC
Everybody,
unless
again
thank
you
for
having
us
wanted
to
start
out.
First
of
all,
by
saying
thank
you.
I
know
that
last
night
was
several
hours
of
everyone's
valuable
time.
I
also
know
that
it
was
a
complex
set
of
conversations
that
we
were
having
and
knowingly
that
there
were
a
lot
of
interrelationships
across
the
things
that
we
were
talking
about.
AC
I
think
that
one
of
the
things
that's
dawning
on
us
is
that,
as
we
have
built
the
plan
together
and
put
all
of
the
pieces
together
in
a
way
that
we've
never
done
before,
I
think
seeing
the
system
and
its
entirety
is,
is
both
overwhelming
and
important
to
be
seeing
it
as
an
entire
system
and
knowing
that
that's
I,
think
emerging
for
all
of
us
as
we
go
through
this
process.
I
think
a
reflection
of
the
conversations
that
we
had
last
night
that
were
complex
and
very
hard,
but
also
very
productive,
so
Tom.
AC
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
comments
earlier
about
about
the
study
session.
I
think
that
we
were
really
grateful
to
have
the
input
from
from
counsel
and
and
the
productive
dialogue
with
the
board.
So
thank
you.
Truly,
we
also
want
to
spend
tonight
outlining
for
you
what
we
think
we
heard
last
night
and
make
sure
that
we
didn't
miss
anything
at
a
high
level,
we'll
be
producing
detailed
summary
notes
for
that
and
making
those
available
to
both
board
and
council
and
I
want
to
also
offer
that
tonight.
AC
AC
But
we've
also
provided
hard
copies
of
what
what
that
initial
output
looks
like
and
so
members
of
the
board.
You
have
that
in
front
of
you
and
there
are
also
copies
for
the
public
on
the
station
over
there
for
you
to
refer
to
when
we
get
to
that
part
of
the
conversation
and
then
we'll
summarize
my
next
steps
with
next
steps
and
make
sure
we
don't
have
any
questions
about
that.
Does
that
sound
like
an
okay
approach
for
tonight
and
you're.
AC
AC
But
knowing
that
we
also
have
the
system
overview
report,
we
have
other
information
that
we've
provided
we'll
look
to
ways
to
link
to
those
reports
and
surveys,
as
well
as
pull
in
in
ways
that
we
can
the
the
findings
and
the
graphs
and
the
charts
that
are
available.
We'll
talk
more
about
that
in
a
minute.
AC
So
as
an
example
of
sorry
excuse
me,
we
were
just
wanted
to
highlight
the
ways
and
the
places
that
we
have
pulled
data
through
in
the
process
so
far,
and
we
want
to
build
on
that
process
and
and
and
that
content.
So
here's
an
example
of
some
data
that
we
provided
in
the
fall
at
one
of
the
workshops,
around
ecosystem
health
and
resilience
and
the
set
of
posters
that
were
provided
at
that
time
and
actually
those
are.
These
are
still
online
on
our
website.
AC
X
It
seems
to
me
the
graphics
and
the
information
they
contain
need
to
drive.
The
report.
Narrative
itself.
I
can
understand
the
need
to
have
time
for
the
artwork
to
be
done,
but
could
there
be
a
box
where
things
are
going
to
be
inserted?
That
says,
you
know
at
this
point
we'll
have
X
or
Y
or
Z
with
a
phrase
describing
what
the
it
will
be,
so
that
so
that
we
at
least
know
what
kind
of
data
will
be
included
before
the
winter
time.
AC
And
so
that's
one
component
to
keep
in
mind
that.
Would
that
meant
that
that
what
we
could
produce
was
arguably
just
in
word.
So
that
was
the
other
part
of
the
guidance
from
the
committee
used.
The
example
of
the
volar
valley,
comprehensive
planning
process,
keep
the
document
in
Word
format
until
final
delivery
until
final
approval
and
then
lay
it
out
further.
X
It's
really
important:
okay,
a
couple
years
ago,
before
this
process
started,
we
all
said
you
know:
we've
been
through
a
billion
planning
processes.
What
kind
of
plan
is
this?
And
we
were
referred
to
the
city's
master
plan
for
transportation,
and
we
all
read
that,
and
so
what
we
were
expecting
in
this
plan
was
something
that
established
the
targets
and
the
trend
lines
and
they,
you
know
evidence
for
the
plans
and
it's
not
there
and
I
think
that's
part
of
why
you
heard
last
night
what
you
heard
well.
T
I
think,
by
making
such
a
big
commitment,
an
assister
system
overview
report
was
an
attempt
to
bring
a
lot
of
things
to
bear
even
before
we
even
had
master
plan
type
discussions.
So
I
hear
what
you're
saying
I,
don't
think
arguing
your
point,
but
I
do
think
that
there
was
conservative
effort
upfront
even
before
they.
We
initiated
this
process
to
work
on
the
system
overview
report,
as
as
a
perhaps
that
story
telling
that
of
what
what
we
have
learned
to
date
on
the
system
but
and.
AD
It's
a
good
point
that
was
the
you
know
in
the
citywide
update
on
the
community.
Engagement
effort
was
to
say,
provide
that
foundation
of
knowledge
upfront,
which
led
to
the
creation
of
the
system
overview
report
to
provide
that
foundation
of
knowledge.
We
feel
pretty
comfortable
as
staff
that,
although
the
process
committee
had
said
yes,
let's
just
produce
the
word
document
or
the
council
approval
I
think
this
is
Darren's
point
and
we're
agreeing
with
you.
We're
gonna,
try
and
pull
through
as
much
data
trends
maps
as
we
can
into
that
draft.
AD
That
goes
to
Council
and
the
goal
is
to
prioritize
the
type
of
data
related
to
the
tier
1
tier
2
strategies
and
I.
Think
when
we
get
there
to
that
mid
July
release
of
the
plan,
we'll
all
feel
pretty
comfortable,
that
we've
got
data
in
and,
like
you
said,
Karen,
if
we
don't
have
the
map
we
can
put,
will
insert
you.
A
A
That
document
is
probably
two
and
a
half
or
three
inches
thick
and
a
species
by
species
at
an
incredible
level
of
mapping.
Detail
I
would
absolutely
not
propose
that
you
try
to
capture
that,
because
that's
not
useful,
but
it
may
be
useful
for
the
reader
to
know
it
with
a
sentence
or
two
that
those
sorts
of
things
exist,
and
you
know,
then
you
can
link
to
it.
So
the
person,
if
they're,
interested
in
that
level
of
detail
but
I,
think
some
people
will
derive
more
confidence.
AD
And
I
agreed
in
if
things
like
the
topic
snapshots,
we
did
in
earlier
parts
of
the
engagement
process
pointed
to
the
things
you're
losing
to
Tom,
like
on
designated
trails,
are
in
approved
plans
from
TSA
work,
so
we've
actually
even
got
the
writing
already
done.
We
just
need
to
pull
it
through
that
fattest
leader,
I.
F
Would
just
react
to
this
and
I
know
you
just
grab
an
example
but
I
think
for
the
master
plan
and
I.
Don't
know
that
I
would
try
to
illustrate
scientific
relationships,
which
is
what
this
is
sighs
better
in
terms
of
bird
habitat.
I.
Think
more
important
are
trends
on
our
open
space
land,
and
so,
if
we
had
trends
in
these
indicators
over
time,
that
would
be
really
important
because,
as
Tom
said
that
supports
you
know
what
we're
seeing
and
therefore
what
we're
going
to
do.
F
The
other
thing
that
came
up
a
lot
with
counsel
is
maps
and
so
I
think
for
our
most
critical
resources.
We
talked
about
these
large
habitat
blocks.
I
do
think
it
would
be
worth
having
a
map
of
those
people
really
relate
well
to
maps.
To
say:
okay,
I
see
those
things
and
they're
big
and
that's
what
we're
gonna
try
to
protect,
and
you
can
do
this
through
a
citation
to
a
scientific
paper
or
papers.
I
think
we.
AC
E
Think
I'd
like
to
push
back
on
one
of
the
bullets
from
the
previous
slide,
which
is
to
better
explain
what
implementation
will
look
like
to
build
off
of
what
Karen
was
saying
about.
We
were
instructed
to
look
at
the
transportation
master
plan
and
think
of
we're
gonna
see
a
master
plan
in
that
level
of
detail
and
specificity
of
what
implementation
looks
like
the
piece
I've
made
with
how
this
master
plan
is
different.
E
Is
twofold
one,
since
the
update
of
the
transportation
master
plan
that
we
looked
at
Folsom
right-sizing
occurred
and,
as
a
consequence,
I
think
that
and
the
public
process
working
group
occurred
and
I
think
there's
been
level
of
sea
change
across
all
departments.
That
public
process
looks
different
and
I
think
that
the
master
plan
is
currently
structured
respects
that
staff
needs
some
tool
for
prioritization,
but
there's
gonna
be
process
and
a
lot
of
community
learning
in
decision-making.
Behind
a
lot
of
this
and
to
say
implementation
is
gonna.
E
Look
like
this
we're
already
saying
what
exactly
we
will
do
and
we're
a
process.
Community
and
I've
made
my
peace
with
that,
even
though
I
find
it
annoying.
Sometimes
that's
who
we
are
so
you
know
so
I
think
that
that's
what
this
this
master
plan
is
doing
and
so
I
I
did
not
feel
a
need
to
be
implementation.
Heavy
in
this
document,
because
I
think
this
document
does
what-what
I
feel
staff
needs
is
like
Dan
was
saying
at
the
at
the
study
session
last
night
when
I'm
looking
at
300
projects
across
my
department.
E
B
So
I
would
agree
with
that,
to
a
certain
degree,
I
think
what
we
gotta
be
careful
of
is
that
process
is
not
the
product,
and
the
fact
is
is
that
what
we
need
is
a
balance
and
so
I
think
the
process
is
actually
the
way
or
the
roadmap
that
actually
the
foundation
I.
Guess
that
gets
us
to
where
we're
going.
B
We
we
need
to
know
that
here's
the
destination
in
here
is
how
in
fact,
we
intend
to
get
there,
and
we
might
not
know
specifically
what
that
and
can't
entails,
but
we
we
are
intending
to
you,
know
to
accomplish
that
and
I
think
the
process
you
know
develops.
You
know
that
sense
of
okay,
here,
here's
a
destination-
and
here
are
some
things
we
need
to
be
mindful
of
and
in
getting
there
I
appreciate.
AC
That
and
I
think
that
you
know
what,
in
the
current
draft
you'll
see,
have
seen
as
the
such
as
examples
you
know
so
at
the
end
of
each
strategy
at
part
as
part
of
that
write-up,
we
talk
about.
For
example,
the
plans,
programs
and
projects
that
you
might
see
as
part
of
implementation
are
XY
and
Z,
so
we
try
and
bring
them
to
life
there
and
and
start
telling
that
story
without
those
intending
to
be
exclusive.
AC
Because
to
your
point
there
is
diana.
Did
we
have
a
dynamic
system
that
we
manage
and
and
we'll
be
consulting
regularly
with
a
board
and
and
council
what
needed
to
update
those?
So
I
think
what
we're
hearing
is:
maybe
there's
a
there's,
a
middle
ground,
a
way
of
telling
the
story
simply
that
we
might
not
have
done
well
enough,
where
we
can
distinguish
between
those
things
that,
yes,
arguably,
do
need
more
process
from
those
things
that
we
can
make
early
action
on
or
are
perhaps
already
making
progress
towards
and
and-
and
it
feels
like.
AD
Aaron,
just
if
you
remember,
we
came
to
the
board
to
talk
about
the
planning
process
and
the
board
said
yeah.
Let's,
let's
think
about
that,
you
know
staff
go
back
after
plan
approval
and
come
back
next
summer
with
the
planning
process.
Valium
implement
this.
We
we
recognize.
We
could
you
know
we
don't
it
doesn't
mean
we
can't
sit
in
the
master
plan,
hey
we're
going
to
update
the
grassland
plan,
and
this
is
more
of
a
near-term
than
a
long-term
priority.
A
Maybe
illustrate
that
one
of
the
priorities
is
extending
on
trail
requirements.
Now
one
could
say
in
the
master
plan,
just
we're
gonna
flag
for
the
fact
that
we're
gonna
need
to
come
up
with
a
process
which
you
know
lets
the
reader
know.
Okay,
there's
gonna
be
something
coming
down
the
road,
but
we're
not
attempting
to
define
what
even
the
process
looks.
Like
I
mean
we
were
just
discussing
in
our
cell
going
actually
the
prairie
dog
issue.
A
One
can
spend
a
fair
amount
of
time
just
discussing
what
the
process
ought
to
be,
never
mind,
actually
doing
the
process
and
I.
Think
if
you
were,
you
know
the
on
trail
requirement
is
actually
a
very
complicated
issue.
It's
not
immediately
obvious.
Even
what
process
one
would
use
whether
I
would
just
take
a
map
and
say:
okay,
here's
two
or
three
or
whatever
areas
that
are
proposed
for
on
trail
requirements
or
if
it's
something
much
much
more
complicated,
I
think
even
wrapping
your
head
around.
What
would
that
process?
Look
like
may.
A
Well,
take
you
beyond
what
you
can
reasonably
lay
out
in
a
master
plan,
multiplied
by
all
the
different
processes
that
are
implicated
here,
I
think
at
least
in
some
of
these
I
don't
know
that
you
can
do
much
more
than
flag
the
fact
that
this
itself
is
going
to
be
a
complicated
undertaking
and
will
require
some
separate
public
engagement.
There
may
be
others
where
there's
really
not
so
complicated.
A
You
can
give
people
a
more
concrete
set
of
anticipated
next
steps,
but
I
think
for
some
of
these,
the
public
would
be
unhappy
if
those
next
steps
didn't
begin
with
more
traditional
outreach
and
notice
of
right.
Here's
what
we're
going
to
take
a
look
at
and
here's
how
we
plan
to
you
know
think
about
this.
It's.
AD
A
great
point,
Tom
I,
think
we
said
originally,
you
know
some
strategies
will
be
new
in
our
thinking
so
need
thinking
to
implement,
whereas
other
strategies
we
know
what
we're
doing,
let's
describe
it.
The
visitor
managing
increased
visitation
is
a
good
one.
We
did
you
know
on
page
54,
we
included
kind
of
a
general
diagram
about
how
you
do
how
you
do
visitor
use
management,
but
we
internally
had
had
discussions
about
the
basic
tasks.
To
do
that,
you
know,
because
that's
a
federal
diagram.
AD
G
AD
X
Another
example
of
what
tom
was
just
talking
about
night
totally
agree
with
both
him
and
you
mark
is
in
the
in
the
TSA
plans.
We've
identified
a
whole
bunch
of
undesignated
trails
that
need
to
be
eliminated
and
that
work
could
just
start,
and
they
data
in
in
the
master
plan
could
say:
we've
already
identified
this
number
of
undesignated
trails
that
need
to
be
reclaimed,
and
we
will
start
that
process
and
inspect
to
finish
it
in
two
years
or
20
years
or
whatever.
It
is
I
think.
AC
X
I
X
X
We
know
that
and
we
know
it's
gonna
cost
forty
million
dollars
or
I
thought
I
heard
forty
to
fifty
million,
but
whatever
it
is,
it
needs
to
be
set
in
here
so
that
everybody
knows
and
so
that
this
document,
like
the
master
plan,
master
plan
transportation
master
plan
can
be
used
as
a
reference
to
when
we
did
got
finished
and
approved
this
in
2019.
We
have
this
many
miles
of
undesignated
trail
identified,
and
you
know
in
Ex
year
we
finished
cleaning
them
up
or
whatever
it
be
used
as
to
track
progress.
It's.
F
I
was
just
gonna
tail
in
on
that
I
think,
even
if
you
just
took
everything
in
Tier
one
and
wrote
a
page
about
things,
we're
going
to
increase
funding
that
were
already
doing
we're
going
to
accelerate
or
implementation
plans
that
we're
going
to
develop.
We're
not
going
to
tell
you
what
the
detailed
goals
or
objectives
are,
but
we're
going
to
develop
this
in
the
next
two
years.
F
I
think
it
would
give
people
a
road
map,
I
think
they'd
feel
that
was
quite
concrete
and
it
it
honored
the
priority
that
we've
given
to
the
tier
one
and
that
we
we
have
a
lot
to
say
about
each
one
of
these
actually
and
so
I
think
that
would
be
worth
space
in
this
report
and
it
would
provide
nice
closure
for
the
whole
process.
No.
AD
It's
great
and
the
only
caveat,
I'd
add
which
is
like
you
know
it's
almost
this
honesty
exercise
hey.
We
could
we've
done
some
work
on
the
trail
stuff
where
we
can
start
to
get
figures.
You
heard
last
night
about
the
water
plan
and
updating
that
to
get
a
really
good
figured
and
that's
where
we're
just
honest
in
the
plan
about
hey
when
you
do
actually
this
strategy
says
we
need
to
do
more
work
to
figure
out
the
dollar
amount
similar
to
the
trail
work
and
then
come
back
with
the
strategy
in
more
detail.
AD
AD
F
AC
AC
So
I'm
just
gonna
keep
us
moving
in
terms
of
what
we
think
we
heard,
because
we've
heard
some
other
comments,
also,
if
I
want
to
make
sure
we
heard
them
well.
So
as
it
relates
to
the
strategies
we
want,
we
heard
a
number
of
comments
around
improving
what
we've
been
calling
the
handles
those
short
phrases
out
front
so
that
they
have
clarity
and
they're
simple
and
understandable.
AC
What
what
the
content
really
is,
as
well
as
in
some
cases,
the
following
sentences
to
make
sure
that
we're
we're
clear,
for
example,
that,
yes,
we
intend
to
update
the
grass
line
plan
the
forest
plan,
for
example.
We
did
here
for
several
that
we
actually
wanted
to
refine
or
enhance
the
actual
intent,
and
one
of
the
examples
that
we
wanted
to
talk
about
tonight
is
the
EHR
one
example.
AC
We
also
think
that
we
heard
a
concept
of
adding
a
strategy
and
in
our
estimation,
that
could
come
under
CCE
I,
which
was
around
increasing
presence
on
the
system.
And
that
was
a
concept
that
emerged
in
a
couple
different
places.
But
we
didn't
feel
like
it
nested
cleanly
with
one
of
our
existing
strategies,
because
it
could
satisfy
a
number
of
outcomes
across
focus
areas
and
so
we're
exploring
this.
And
it
and.
AC
The
mark
you're
welcome
to
clarify
if
I
miss
anything
but
I
think
this
is
an
opportunity
in
a
number
of
ways,
to
look
at
targeted,
ranger
patrols,
where
we
might
have
particular
areas
that
need
more
attention,
as
well
as
opportunities
to
bring
our
education
and
outreach
staff.
You
know
have
a
more
visible
presence,
as
well
as
using
our
volunteers
and
leveraging
their
their
presence
as
well.
I
think
that
that
would
arguably
look
different
across
our
financial
scenarios
too.
AC
AC
E
Heard
a
lot
from
counsel
saying
show
me:
the
money
I
need
to
know
I
need
to
know
the
money
heard.
Dave
speak
to
that
strongly.
I
brought
up
with
Dave
later
that
I
found
an
instructive.
When
we
did
the
prioritization
exercise
with
the
stickies,
the
one
two
three
four
dollar
signs
putting
things
in
buckets.
They
can
be
hugely
broad
buckets,
but
you
know
one
two,
three,
four
dollar
signs
for
each
of
these
strategies
and
I
mean
I
understand
that
did
I'm.
That
may
give
you
a
little
bit
of
conniptions,
but
then
counsel
can
go.
E
AC
Yeah,
we
certainly
have
done
some
analysis
in
in
particular
some
strategies.
We
do
have
some
ideas
that
are
more
fleshed
out
and
more
clear
in
terms
of
what
we
do
and
in
to
Mark's
point
earlier.
Those
are
the
ones
that
we
we
have
more
clarity
around
those
that
are
newer
in
our
thinking.
We
have
less
clarity
around
and
you.
B
Use
the
four
dollar
signs
on
there,
whose
range
is
I.
Think
Andy's
idea
is
a
good
one.
Where
there
are
numbers,
though
I
think
you
know
those
should
be
used
as
well.
So
it's
kind
of
a
combination
where
we're
not
sure
we
can
say
well.
You
know
this
is
kind
of
our
first
guess,
but
where
we
are
sure
you
know,
here's
what
it
looks
like
and
I
think
the
people
can.
You
know
they
get
that.
T
There's
also
examples
of
really
putting
a
lot
of
non-monetary
resources
toward
a
strategy,
because
that
strategy
may
not
demand
a
lot
of
physical
CIP
dollars,
for
instance,
but
yet
maybe
some
significant
staff
time
and
it's
right,
so
one
trail
reroute
may
be
up
here
as
far
as
dollar
amounts,
but
we
did
10
actions
on
another
strategy
that
was
low
dollar
amount.
So
it's
dollars
just
aren't
the
way
to
look
at
it
either.
It's
right.
B
AD
And
the
one
thing
I'd
add
is
that
if
you
remember,
we
said
we'd
organize
the
implementation
by
planning
programs
projects
and
we
did
that
kind
of
for
each
strategy
in
that
last
paragraph.
Just
you
know
what
I
think
that
bolded
plans,
programs
and
projects-
and
we
know
that
some
of
that,
for
instance,
EHR
five-
the
initial
phase
might
be
planning
and
then
what
emerges
is
projects
and
programs
from
the
fat
from
the
planning?
So
you
can
cost
the
planning,
but
sometimes
it's
a
bit
harder
to
cost.
AD
S
F
Those
both
cover
enormous
numbers
of
all
the
rest
of
these
and
I
think
one
way
to
give
them
a
little
more
visibility
would
be
to
do
what
you
were
thinking
of,
but
like
a
sidebar
or
something
that
acknowledges
that
these
concepts
assume
80%
of
what
we
do
and
that
many
of
the
other
strategies
fit
under
them
and
that
helps
people
understand
when
they
get
to
managing
increasing
visitation.
It
seems
kind
of
thin
and
small,
and
it
really
isn't
because
so
many
of
the
other
strategies
do
the
same
thing.
So
I
just
think.
G
AC
That,
if
we
look
at
a
structure,
I
think
one
comment
is
one
suggestion
is
that
we
look
at
them
in
terms
of
tearing
in
terms
of
priorities
and
so
I
think
that
gets
to
some
of
what
you're
talking
about
we've
had
those
same
conversations
Kurt
and
definitely
want
to
make
sure
that
we
highlight
the
relationships,
because
that's
another
theme
that
we
heard
and
even
from
public
comments,
is
the
relationships
across
focus.
Areas
are
across
strategies
and
that
that
concept
of
the
infinity
diagram
you
know
has
come
in
so
I.
AC
AC
A
Sidebars
are
fine
as
long
as
they're,
really
driven
by
what
the
reader
needs
to
know.
I
wouldn't
get
into
the
business
of
feeling
like
well,
just
as
a
matter
of
structure.
We
always
have
to
have
them.
I
candidly
am
still
a
little
struck
by
our
experience
with
the
North
TSA
plan,
where
we
were
told.
Well,
you
know
you
kinda
can't
expect
people
to
read
the
whole
thing.
A
It's
like
okay,
I,
get
that
we're
all
the
incredibly
busy
people,
but
it
does
argue
to
be
selective
at
how
long
we
make
these
plans
and
that
there
is
a
point
at
which,
when
you
hit
two
or
three
hundred
pages
that
well
now,
it's
just
a
reference.
It's
no
longer
a
readable
document,
and
so
something
like
a
side
note
has
to
you
know,
be
really
warranted
and
not
just
sort
of
a
lot
of
oh
by
the
ways
not.
F
AC
Any
other
thoughts
before
we
chat
about
EHR
one
cuz
we'd
love
to
hear
your
thoughts
on
that
okay.
So
our
request
for
this
is
to
understand
the
framing
from
the
board
that
we
as
staff,
need
to
keep
in
mind
as
we
work
on
improving
the
content
for
this
particular
strategy,
we
did
not
it.
We
did
not
hear
clear
consensus
to
break
these
apart.
In
fact,
we
think
we
heard
recommendation
to
keep
them
together
for
a
number
of
reasons,
and
you
know
in
thinking
about
that
even
further.
AC
Today,
we
recognize
that
the
structure
of
this
is
almost
word-for-word.
What
our
charter
purpose
reads,
and
so
we
we
see
the
the
value
of
keeping
these
two
conversations
intact.
The
preservation
component
and
the
restoration
component,
and
so
you'll,
see
here
just
an
initial
quick
suggestion
where
we
might
do
that
where,
instead
of
saying
conserve,
I
think
this
is
a
suggestion,
even
from
you
Dave
earlier,
that
we
really
do
use
charter
language
here,
preserving
in
preservation
and
restoration
together
the
the
content
of
the
strategy.
AC
Again
that
you
see
beneath
that,
we
did
not
hear
substantive
changes
to
the
actual
strategy
itself.
It
was
more
how
we
tell
the
story
of
the
the
preservation
component
of
that
and
that
we
don't
only
highlight
the
restoration
aspect,
so
we've
had
initial
conversations
today
in
sorting
through
this.
What
that
might
look
like,
and
so
we've
put
together
some
ideas
and
and
their
initial,
but
the
concept
that
is
clear
to
us
is
that
in
in
all
cases
we
do
aim
to
start.
AC
AC
We
would
look
at
again
referencing
the
other
strategies
that
are
supportive
of
this
work,
and
so
we've
started
to
pull
together
some
thoughts
about
how
we
might
build
that
narrative
out,
but
again
just
wanted
before
we
get
to
work
actually
doing
that
here.
If
there
were
any
other
concepts
from
the
board
that
you
would
want
to
make
sure
we
address
in
do
so,
so
that
when
we
come
back
with
an
extra
aft,
it's
more
akin
to
what
you
think
it
needs
to
be.
X
X
AC
Know
that
in
having
starting
that
conversation,
I
know
that
our
staff
would
would
say
that
even
that
is
a
very
complex
set
of
conversations
around
what
is
habitat
block
size
for
which
species?
When
what
time
are
here,
you
know,
so
we
we
do
need
to
arguably
understand
that
we
need
to
do
it
simply
to
help
people
understand.
That's.
S
AC
And
thanks
for
bringing
up
Tony
in
the
in
the
map,
the
diagram
diagrammatic
maps
that
we
provided
in
the
fall
as
part
of
the
ecosystem,
health
and
resilience
workshops
were
the
habitat
block
size
using
roads
and
designated
trails
as
those
things.
So
that's
what
we
have
got
used
already
and
are
in
the
process
of
understanding
what
that
might
mean
for
undesignated
trails,
but
I.
Don't
know
that
we'll
be
ready
enough
to
do
that.
For
this
draft
we
can
work.
We
can
talk
to
staff
and
see
what's.
X
A
Other
is
you
sort
of
rigged
the
game
a
little
bit
by
saying?
Well,
let's
not
designate
that
trail,
because
that's
gonna
fragment
this.
It's
like
well
know
the
answer.
Maybe
you
should
cause
that
undesignated
trail
that
would
be
far
better
than
thinking
about.
Well,
if
you
designate
it
then
fragment
it's
like
well
you're
thinking
about
the
problem
wrong.
It's
you
know.
What's
the
impact
of
the
trail,
no
idea,
it's
legal
status.
AD
X
Y
Did
just
want
to
mention
that
we
do
already
have
some
things
like
the
grassland
plan
identifies
best
opportunity,
areas
for
conservation
and
restoration,
which
are
those
large
habitat
blocks.
So
we've
got
things
that
we
can
base
it
on
and
decide
what
fits
best
for
the
document
and
for
the
audience
that
we're
intending
to
talk
to
you
so
yeah.
B
You
know
Darren,
and
this
has
been
something
that's
kind
of
concerned
me
about
this-
one
which
I
think
is
actually
the
most
important
one
and
that's
why
we
should
make
sure
that
we
do
the
best
we
can
with
the
first
five
words.
It
seems
like
a
laundry
list
like
you
know,
and
it
in
there
you
kind
of
lose
from
my
perspective,
I
kind
of
lose
the
significance
you
know
you've
got
to
expand
and
enhance
and
connect
and-
and
it
just
I
think
if
there
were
two
words
that
we
could
use
there.
B
B
T
I
can
talk
to
two
of
the
words
and
why
they're
intentionally
put
in
there
from
a
staff
perspective,
so
we
were
looking
at
our
acquisition
program
and
and
where
would
our
acquisition
staff
be
able
to
get
some
guidance
at
such
a
high
level
document?
And
so
the
word
expand
and
connect
were
direct
guidance
for
our
real
estate
staff
to
use
that,
in
terms
of
prioritizing
we're
strategic
acquisitions
may
take
place
of
those
particular
connectors
or
those
building
off
of
a
high
habitat
block.
Those
would
be
the
areas
that
they
might
first
go.
T
Look
at
it
in
order
to
identify
our
high
priority.
Ors
I
realized
that
that
might
fall
on
deaf
ears
from
a
public
standpoint,
but
I
can
tell
you
from
a
real
estate
standpoint.
We
were
looking
for
specific
words
throughout
the
document
in
order
to
help
guide
prioritization.
So
those
are
two
words
that
are
in
there
and
attentionally
for
to
help
guide
our
acquisition
program,
but
so.
B
B
B
The
thing
that
really
struck
strikes
me
is
that
this
community
actually
has
done
something
that
I
think
we
need
to
incorporate
in
this
document,
and
that
is,
as
a
community
has
come
together
and
understood
what
preservation
of
a
landscape
means.
You
know
where
that
is
that's
the
boulder
watershed
and
because
it's
the
community's
impression
of
that's
our
water
supply,
somehow
not
somehow
that
has
made
it
most
important
in
that
protection.
B
It's
accomplished
all
these
other
goals,
and
all
you
have
to
do-
is
look
at
the
adjacent
land
of
the
Indian
Peaks
Wilderness
Area,
and
to
understand
the
significance
of
the
community
saying
this
area
is
sacrosanct
and
I
don't
mean
that
we
need
to
you,
know,
shut
everyone
out
and
close
everything
down,
but
I'm
saying
that
community
gets
that
importance
for
that
particular
and
somehow
we've
got
to
transpose
that
to
what
we're
talking
about
here,
so
that
it's
so
important.
No
one
misunderstands
you.
F
E
F
AC
Purely
intent,
I
also
want
to
make
sure
that
we
respect
what
we
heard
from
Council
last
night,
so
want
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
change
the
content
beyond
what
they
were
comfortable
with
last
night.
Also,
but
I
think
if
we
can,
as
staff,
think
about
whether
there's
a
way
to
do
both
and
then
we'll
go
forth
of
that.
It's.
AA
X
AA
AC
So
what
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
just
get
clarity
from
you
tonight
on
is
making
sure
that
we
heard
the
outputs
of
the
refined
priorities
correctly.
So,
as
you
remember,
we
heard
the
conversation
about
well,
let's
consider
three
tiers,
which
is
something
that
we
had
explored
previously.
So
staff
is
comfortable
with
this
and
just
to
give
a
little
bit
more
clarity
about
what
this
means.
AC
If
we
get
additional
funding-
and
so
this
would,
as
Dan
was
saying,
yesterday,
provide
additional
clarity
for
him
for
board
for
council
as
we
work
on
our
annual
work
planning
and
budget
approval
process.
As
we
talked
about
last
night,
we
want
to
give
direction
right
now
at
this
time,
in
the
master
plan
to
the
to
the
near
term.
AC
Knowing
that,
when
we
work
with
board
and
council
on
our
work
planning
or
budget
approval
process,
that
there
are
opportunities
to
confirm
or
refine
those
through
those
processes,
so
I'm
gonna
leave
the
slide
here
and
just
as
a
reminder,
I
think
from
now
we'll
talk
to
the
handout
that
we
have
and
so
members
of
the
public.
There
are
copies
again
over
there.
AC
So
just
by
way
of
reiterating
what
we
think
we
heard,
we
were
looking
at
trying
to
establish
two
per
focus
areas
so
that
we
keep
a
balance
across
those
and
what
we
heard
in
tier
1
for
EHR
was
EHR
1.
So
what
we
just
talked
about,
knowing
that
the
handle
the
handles
for
all
of
these
may
may
change.
So
keep
that
in
mind,
but
the
first
being
concert'
right
now
conserve
and
restore
boulders
natural
heritage,
the
second
being
managing
entire
ecosystems,
using
a
holistic
approach
to
planning
and-
and
that
involves
updating.
AC
That
would
involve
updating
the
grassland
and
the
forest
plans
for
agriculture
that
the
two
that
we
heard
might
be
as
most
important.
So
again,
we
were
talking
about
priorities.
Prioritizing
these
according
to
importance,
would
be
enhancing
soil,
health
and
resilience
and
maintaining
infrastructure
for
agriculture
and
water,
which
you
know
might
be
considered
or
understood
as
reducing
that
maintenance
backlog
for
that
set
of
infrastructure
as
well
for
responsible
recreation,
stewardship
and
enjoyment.
We
heard
clear
consensus
around
managing
increasing
visitation
and
reducing
the
trail
maintenance
backlog
as
the
two
most
important
and
foresee
CCI.
AC
We
heard
importance
around
welcoming
diverse
backgrounds
and
abilities,
with
specific
reference
to
the
strategy,
enhancing
signs
of
communication
and
communication,
knowing
that
those
two
are
related,
and
that
might
be
the
way
we
start
out
that
work.
The
last
one
is
in
reference
to
what
I
mentioned
earlier,
which
was
this
consideration
of
increasing
presence
on
the
system.
Now,
knowing
we
need
to
wordsmith
and
develop
this,
it
sounded
like
it
was
important
and
that
it
might
rise
to
this
to
this
top
tier
for
a
number
of
reasons.
AC
AA
G
S
E
G
AC
You
to
clarify
anything
I
think
the
way
that
we
see
this
is
because
the
timing
is
is
not
syncing
up
entirely
perfectly.
In
other
words,
this
master
plan
is
a
tenured
document,
we're
looking
at
it
being
approved
in
the
fall,
as
you
heard
tonight,
where
we
would
start
a
process
that
would
wrap.
You
know,
there's
overlap
there
and
wanting
to
make
sure
that
this
lives
beyond
this
expedited
process,
but
John
I
want
to
yeah
plain.
V
Think
you're
right
Andreea
that
wasn't
totally
what
I
heard
from
the
council.
So
it's
just
like
I,
don't
you
know
it's
kind
of?
Where
does
that
land
I
guess
certainly
would
be
something
we
would
be
working
on
now
in
this.
You
know
this
environment
as
a
priority,
but
you
know
a
plague
came
through
next
year.
Then
it
wouldn't
be
something
that
we
would
necessarily
focus
on
in
terms
of
the
master
plan.
I
would
say,
but.
B
It's
you
know,
I
mean
the
explanation
has
been
that
you
know
we're
looking
at
a
three
year
and
you
know
initial
implementation
timeframe,
and
so
it
strikes
me
that
if
you
looked
at
enhanced
soil
health
and
resilience
in
in
related
that
the
prairie
dog
situation,
that,
in
fact,
you
would
flip
those
and
say
in
the
next
three
years
where
we
probably
ought
to
be
focused
on
prairie
dogs
in
the
soil.
The
what
we
call
soil,
health
and
and
resilience
is
something
that's
going
to
be.
Longer-Term
I
thought.
V
AD
We
are
trying
to
reflect
the
guidance
we
heard
from
council.
You
know
like
we
listened
back
to
the
tape
and
started
going
through
it.
So
we're
saying:
do
we
need
to
update
or
change
some
of
the
guy
reflects
them?
Perhaps
a
change
in
what
council
gave
us
as
guidance
and
then
when
we
go
back
to
them,
we'll
explain
why
so
it's
okay
for
us
to
put
it
up
there
as
long
as
we
can
until
they
explain
why.
F
This
may
be
it's
helped
by
making
clear
that
tier
two
are
still
really
important.
Yes
and
I.
Think
that's
one
of
the
things
I'm
struggling
with
a
little
bit
up
there.
It
sort
of
seems
like
tier
one,
and
then
everything
becomes
sort
of
gradual
progress,
so
I'd
love
to
get
a
little
more
differentiation
between
two
and
three.
You
have
thoughts
about
that.
F
One
way
to
do
this
is
to
think
just
about
budget
I
mean
you've
got
scale
up
with
additional
funding
tier
two
or
we're
basically
saying
we're
gonna.
Do
the
funding
we've
got
last
year
or
the
year
before
and
we're
gonna
continue
that
or
are
we
really
saying?
Well,
this
is
a
priority,
and
so
I
don't
know
I'm
just
looking
for
something
that
makes
that
actually
different
than
four
separate.
No.
AD
It's
a
good
point:
what
we've
discussed
there's
two
things:
isn't
there
there's
the
timing
and
then
the
resources
staff
money?
That's
there
like
two
major
factors:
criteria
that
help
I
basically
get
to
the
importance
of
tier
1
and
tier
2
than
tier
3.
I.
Think
we,
if
we
work
on
the
wording
on
those
two
criteria
to
differentiate
as
you
describe,
we
can
make
it
much
more
clear.
F
AA
F
AC
E
Think
it
would
end
up
unbalancing
things,
but
in
tier
3,
EHR
7
prepare
for
a
changing
ecosystem.
I
feel
like
I
was
hearing
counsel.
Tell
us
that's
a
tier
2
that
it's
related
to
the
the
soil,
health
and
the.
In
date
we
kept
bringing
up
water
and
carbon
sequestration
and
resilience
to
a
changing
climate
and
I
was
surprised
to
see
that
down
into
tier
3.
Consequently,
ok,
how.
AD
AC
F
AD
AC
AD
E
I
did
not
get
the
new
CC,
yet
I
see
CEI
ten.
The
increased
presence
on
the
OS
MP
system,
I
didn't
I,
didn't
hear
that
as
strongly
last
night,
as
you
did,
if
Neil's
tier
two
to
me,
it
felt
like
a
will
a
new
idea
that
felt
important,
but
in
I
didn't
feel
it
was
harped
on
in
the
same
way,
but
I
think
it's
been
hours
reviewing
tape
today.
Well.
T
We
were
actually
viewing
it
as
a
very
important
low
hanging,
something
we
could
do
right
away
action
under
managing
visitation.
So
we
had
it
as
an
action
and
what
we
were
wondering
is:
do
we
hear
enough
last
night
to
move
it
from
an
action
to
a
strategy
and
to
call
it
out
because
otherwise
and
how
we're
setting
up
the
master
plan
actions
don't
really
see
the
light
of
day
very
much
and
so
that
that's
all
it's
and.
AA
AC
It
was,
it
was
a
nice
I'm.
Sorry
Carrie
go
ahead,
yeah,
it
was
a
nice
cover,
I'm,
just
gonna,
say
nice,
confirmation
to
the
feedback
that
we've
gotten
not
just
in
our
most
recent
survey,
but
also
in
previous
surveys
to
where
there
is
support
for
increased
enforcement,
and
so
it
feels
like
we
have
data
on
the
community,
supporting
that
yeah
and
so
to
us.
We
see
enforcement
though
looking
like
presents,
so
it's
not
always
a
ticket,
but
there
are
other
opportunities
presents.
S
AD
We
realized
with
heard
constantly
this
idea
of
presence
in
a
positive
sense
on
the
system
and
how
do
we
provide
education,
outreach
presence
across
the
sort
of
department,
and
it
isn't
just
even
in
the
idea
of
staff
resources
it
could
be
in
terms
of
an
overlapping
strategy
like
signage,
for
example,
for
like
improving
how
people
understand
the
system
and
better
respect
it
or
better
use
it.
So
it
is
a
sort
of
thing
we
want
to
think
about
and
come
back
to
you
on,
probably
July
10th
I
would
guess
at
the
board.
F
Yeah
you've
mentioned
prepare
for
a
changing
eco
system.
To
me,
one
of
the
reasons
that
sort
of
fell
down
is
because
I
not
sure
what
this
means
I'm,
not
sure
what
we
would
do,
it's
sort
of
amorphous
and
so
I
think
that's
one
reason
why
it
doesn't
get
a
higher
priorities.
It's
hard
everybody's
got
a
different
idea.
What
that
means,
not
that
it's
not
an
important
stressor
on
the
system,
but
it
doesn't.
AC
AC
AD
The
strategy
for
science
covers
much
more
than
just
that,
because
it's
the
wayfinding
orientation,
the
rules
and
regulations.
We
know
there's
a
bit
of
complexity
on
the
system.
Then
we
need
to
improve
the
signage
to
help
people
understand
the
system,
so
we
so
we
were
just
trying
to
pull
out
that
one
aspect
related
to
equity.
Does
that
therefore
push
the
whole
strategy
up.
AC
And
again
we're
you
know,
as
we
think
about
this
for
the
near
term,
the
next
few
years,
it
still
doesn't
mean
that
we
might
not
make
be
making
progress
towards
that
other
component
of
what
that
strategy
entails.
It
more
means
that
we've
we've
agreed
that
the
focus
or
emphasis
would
be
on
that
at
one
aspect.
A
Also
add
that
I
think
there
is
a
significant
uncertainty
about
what
we
really
want
to
do
with
science.
It's
easy
to
say:
Hance
them
well
sure,
and
you
know
you'll
get
a
lot
of
comments
about
well,
we
need
to
say
more
on
the
following
five
topics
and
then,
when
you
do
that
the
inevitable
next
response
is
our
signs
are
so
complicated
and
if
you
go
to
the
basic
kiosk
it's
to
talk
well,
which
is
presumably
our
most
visited,
set
sighs.
It's
a
huge
amount
of
information
that
in
a
lot
of
our
signs,
are
already
over.
A
You
know
candidly
are
kind
of
overwhelming
and
it
would
strike
me
as
controversial
to
say
we
one
of
our
highest
priorities
is
making
our
signs
even
more
complicated,
and
it's
not
at
all
clear
to
me
that
that
is
a
way
to
improve
compliance.
I
mean
if
people
don't
read
the
sign
they're
not
going
to
comply
with
the
rule
that
is
set
forth
in
the
sign.
B
Pricing,
simplify
and
provide
clear
information
is,
you
know,
enhance
the
word
enhancing,
it's
used
a
lot
and
it's
like
you
know.
It
doesn't
mean
anything
unless
you
be
more
specific
and
so
I
think
Tom's
right.
You
know
most
people
just
blow
by
the
signs
because
they're
either
too
complicated
or
they
think
they
know.
You
know
all
there
is
to
know,
and
so
they
don't
need
to
do
it
unless
there's
something
that
really
gets
their
attention
and
that
they
can
do
quickly.
People
aren't
going
to
pay
any
attention
to
signs
so.
F
I
will
note
that
to
spring
I've,
seen
more
use
of
temporary
signs
that
call
out
particular
Creek
Road
they've.
Put
some
really
useful
sign
saying
this
road
is
leash
on
and
people
don't
realize
that,
because
it's
ncar
property
and
there's
also
coyotes
and
rattlesnakes
in
this
area,
and
so
it's
good
to
keep
your
dog
on
leash.
It's
really
up
to
you,
compliance
and
it's
a
temporary.
You
know
sandwich
board
type
sign,
so
we
use
signs
in
different
ways
and
it's
not
just
a
trail
sign
or
a
no
I
read
until.
AD
That
out
is
its
its
signs
and
communications,
and
you
know
when
you
get
into
reading
the
strategy
and
a
little
bit
more
detail,
and
perhaps
that's
where
we
could
buy
more
clarity
this
before
you
arrive
media.
When
you
arrive,
it's
not
just
signage,
it
can
be
leaflets,
and
you
know,
web
applications
host
visit.
What
any
follow-up
you
might
have.
AD
So
it's
the
idea
of
thinking
about
it
holistically
as
a
department
where
you
know,
probably,
let's
be
honest,
some
of
our
media
and
some
of
our
science
aren't
exactly
matched
up
even
in
the
messaging
for
people
to
understand,
even
in
the
color
coding
and
things
like
that.
So
we
we
want
to
think
about
the
whole
type
of
communication
system.
We
have
to
make
it
easier
for
people
to
understand,
but
also
explain
what
is
kind
of
a
complex
regulatory
system.
So
it's
a
sort
of
two-pronged
effort,
so.
AC
T
I
just
add
one
more
because
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
where
we
landed
with
the
suggestion
of
a
new
strategy,
because
a
new
strategy
is
a
lift.
I
mean
it's
a
hold
another
two
pages
in
the
memo
and
if
the
board
feels
comfortable
that,
as
a
is
a
top
action
with
under
visitation,
then
let's
go
that
route
and
I
mean
so
I
would
like
to
see
where
you
guys
are
landing
on
that,
because
introducing
a
new
strategy
as
a
as
a
lift.
We're
definitely
willing
to
do
it.
B
B
We
need
to
do
it
differently
or
better,
more
focused
or
whatever,
but
I
think
that
the
community
thinks
that
yeah,
you
know,
Rangers
are
targeting,
you
know
areas
and
you
know
they're
they're
doing
and
we
often
hear
well,
we've
never
see
a
ranger,
but
on
the
other
hand
the
Rangers
are
out
there
and
you
know
when
people
see
them,
they
say
great.
It's
good
to
see
you
and
everything
and
and
I,
don't
think
it's
a
strategy
per
se
I
think
it's
an
action
to
accomplish.
You
know
some
of
the
other
strategies.
X
X
A
I,
don't
know
how
to
make
the
existing
Rangers
more
visible,
they're.
Already
incredible,
it's
my
mind.
Well,
you
know,
I
think
the
community-based
approach
that
we've
gone
with
I
find
they're
actually
quite
visible
in
terms
of
parking.
The
trucks
it's
trailheads
and
whatnot
I'm.
Fine
with
you
know,
hiring
more
Rangers
I,
don't
know
that
that's
a
Tier
one
that
I
think
is,
in
other
words,
things
that
you
would
do
even
in
the
maximally
constrained
financing
environment,
someone
said
well
assume
no
increase
in
revenues.
We
just
still
hire
more
rangers.
AC
Think
that's
why
we
were
trying
to
suggest
there
is
in
the
fiscally
constrained
environment
there.
There
are
versions
of
what
this
would
look
like
a
cost
of
scenarios,
as
there
are
in
other
cases
too,
and
so
in
the
constrained
environment.
We
would
look
at.
Perhaps
you
know
using
our
existing
staff
into
two
curts
point.
Our
education
or
outrage
staff
are
our
volunteers
in
new
or
different
ways
in
some
ways,
we're
already
doing
that,
but
and
in
other
cases
in
the
Vision
Plan,
we
might
look
at
additional
staff
resources.
AD
Is
it's
the
general
generally?
What
we're
hearing
is.
It
might
not
be
a
strategy
but
sorry
to
make
the
pun
the
Rangers
on
visible
in
the
master
plan,
you
can
never
find
a
ranger
in
the
master
plan,
so
we
just
need
to
make
it
more
visible
in
the
master
plan
as
an
action
under
a
strategy
and
I
think
we
could
look
at
a
couple
of
the
CCI
strategies
just
to
modify
them
slightly
to
make
that
fit.
What
you're
describing.
E
Alright
I'll
put
in
one
last
request,
which
I
mean
last
night,
which
is
now
that
we
have
these
tiers
and
an
expression
in
the
report
as
a
header
of
like
when
and
how
tiers
change,
how
things
move
between
tiers
yep,
so
that
I
mean
like
I,
look
at
tier
3
and
I'm.
Like
oh,
that's
important
to
me,
and
you
know
like
okay,
well,
yeah,
it's
gonna
be
important
to
somebody,
but
give
them
hope
that
it's
gonna
bubble
up
and
get
some
more
resources
to
it,
probably
at
a
later
date,
because
it's
still
a
community
input.
E
AC
Okay,
so
we
wanted
to
just
give
you
a
sense
of
next
steps,
so
you
have
some
clarity
around
that.
So
we
are
closing
the
fifth
engagement
window
tonight
after
having
had
the
public
comment
at
the
beginning
of
the
regular
scheduled
meeting
tonight,
so
we're
gonna
be
working
on
consolidating
comments
and
addressing
those
and
working
on
refinements
to
the
plan.
AC
AC
Was
what
we
had
said
as
part
of
the
process
committee
is
that
we
encouraged
comments
to
be
submitted
by
June
3rd
so
that
we,
as
staff,
could
have
analyzed
them
to
support
the
discussion
last
night.
So
that's
what
we
did
and
in
presenting
the
high-level
overview
to
you,
where
we
talked
about
the
suggestions
that
we
had
heard.
For
example,
around
integrating
the
strategies
was
finding
priorities.
AA
AC
G
AC
AA
AC
If
you
have
mark
up
comments,
I
do
request,
please,
if
you
could
send
those
by
Sunday
by
the
16th,
and
the
request
is
actually
if
you
can
send
them
to
the
plan.
Email
address,
which
is
Oh,
SMP
master
plan
at
Boulder,
Colorado,
gov,
that'll,
be
that
would
be
terrific.
And
if
it
comes
to
me,
we
can
handle
that
too.
No
problem.
B
B
But
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
is
that
we
can't
continue
to
accommodate
the
level
of
use,
that's
occurring
and
so
no
matter
what
we
do
with
all
of
this
stuff.
If
that
level
continues
to
grow,
we
aren't
going
to
be
able
to
to
deal
with
it
and
I.
Think
that
the
notion
that
somehow
we're
going
to
have
to
you
know
as
a
community
look,
are
we
gonna
be
serious
about
protecting
open
space
in
my
own
parks?
B
B
Dogs
on
dogs
is
another
one
where
the
system
can't
continue
to
accommodate
the
levels
of
use
and
the
impacts
from
some
of
those
uses,
and
it
just
strikes
me
that
this
document
has
to
start
recognizing
and
acknowledging
that
that
we're
going
to
have
to
address
the
level
of
use
six
and
a
half
million
visits
a
year
on
less
than
50,000
acres.
That
is
unbelievable
and
you
know
how
can
a
system
when
we
talk
about
you
know
protecting
the
natural
heritage?
How
can
we
do
that?
B
You
know
it's
and
I
used
the
boulder
watershed
as
an
example
where
years
ago
the
community
made
the
commitment.
You
know
no
one
goes
there,
that's
that's
the
water
we
drink
and
it's
sacrosanct,
and
no
one
goes
there
and
at
some
point,
I
think
that
we're
going
to
as
a
community
ensued
have
to
address
that
issue
and
I
just
think
we're
missing
an
opportunity
now
not
to
bring
that
to
the
attention
of
the
community
that
you
know.
Somehow.
These
are
major
concerns
that
you
know.
B
We
may
not
have
all
the
answers
right
now,
but
we're
gonna
have
to
figure
it
out
pretty
quickly
so
anyway,
that's
the
concern
I
have
is
that
the
document
wants
to
be
all
things
to
all
people
and
in
doing
that,
it
dilutes
the
fact
that
you
know
one
of
the
major
problems
issues
not
problems.
Issues
were
confronting
is
all
of
us
being
there
enjoying
and
appreciating
you
know
what
this
community
did
and
we've
got
to
figure
out
a
way
that
we
can
lessen
or
minimize
our
impacts.
F
One
council
member
did
ask
about
carrying
capacity
and
we
really
didn't
give
an
answer,
but
the
answer
is
no.
We
haven't
done
it.
It's
an
assessment
of
carrying
capacity.
I
think
we
all
know
that.
That
is
a
morass.
It
is
a
swamp
that
no
one
has
really
gone
into
and
come
out
of
with
any
really
crisp
solutions.
But
I
do
think
that
in
the
area
of
visitation
management,
we
probably
should
acknowledge
this
trend
that
we
don't
control.
F
We
have
to,
at
the
same
time,
sort
of
acknowledge
that
we
have
very
limited
tools
to
control
it.
We
don't
control
access
to
most
of
all
our
open
space
like
Sanitas
in
Chautauqua,
but
it
may
force
us
into
things
like
having
all
dogs
on
leash,
because
we
can't
control
the
numbers.
So
we
have
to
do
significant
things
to
reduce
the
impact
of
each
one.
G
F
A
X
A
AA
A
S
A
We
have
and
reduce
the
impacts
of
those
who
visit.
There
are
lots
of
dimensions
to
that,
and
certainly
dogs
is
a
huge
dimension
to
minimizing
the
impact
of
the
people
who
come
here
and
frankly,
it's
also
the
problem
with
you,
the
phrase
carrying
capacity
because
capacity,
the
system
is
hugely
dependent
upon
what
people
are
doing
if
they
have
three
off
these
dogs
running
all
over
the
place.
A
That's
one
thing:
if
there
staying
on
the
trail,
it's
very
different,
but,
and
so
the
number
of
people
is
an
indicator,
but
you
know
obviously
that
again
matters
what
the
people
are
doing
and
where
they're
doing
it
and
I
don't
disagree
with
the
sentiment,
but
beyond
I
mean
we've
taken.
What
normally
would
be
thought
of
as
a
pro
recreation
section
of
the
master
plan
and
actually
said
well,
the
highest
priority
on
recreation
is
managing
the
impact.
That's
already
a
pretty
powerful
statement
about
how
we're
viewing
this.
Although.
F
I
I
think
you
could
say
more
about
demand.
Management
I
mean
this
sort
of
implies.
Whatever
visitation
happens
comes
to
us,
we're
going
to
manage
it
and
that's
what
we
try
to
do.
We
harden
this
should
talk
with
trail.
We
do
other
things
but
right,
but
you
could
add
some
discussion
about
demand
management,
which
we
really
don't
add
it
all
here
and
I.
Think
that
might
be
worthwhile
I
mean
it's
implied
by
things
like
well,
we
can
increase
parking
fees.
F
Well,
that's
one
type
of
demand
management,
but
there
and
Dan
I
thought
you
made
a
good
point
about
how
we
are
meeting
now
regularly
with
our
partners
up
and
down
the
Front
Range,
and
because
we
all
recognize
that
we're
all
dealing
with
increasing
population
and
desire
for
outdoor
recreation,
so
anyway,
I
think,
there's
more.
That
could
be
said
here
and
I
think
it
could
ship
within
these.
But
probably
it
needs
to
be
called
out
a
little
bit
more.
A
The
man
management
is
its
own
incredibly
complicated
issue,
and
we've
said
this
before,
but
some
of
which
have
major
implications
for
equitable
access
to
the
system,
and
there
are
people
who
use
the
system
five
six
hundred
times
a
year
and
all
right
I
mean
many
of
them
live
within
walking
distance.
So
it's
essentially
impossible
of
all
to
limit
their
use,
but
I
think
it's
a
it's
a
it's
an
important
issue,
but
I
also
think
it's
a
very
complicated
issue
about.
A
How
do
you
equitably
manage
access
to
a
system
when
some
of
the
people
you're,
probably
managing
out
of
the
system,
are
actually
taxpayers?
Who
only
go
there?
Five
six
times
a
year,
because
someone
who
goes
there
every
day
you
know
doesn't
like
the
crowd
and
I
think
that's
all
I.
Don't
it's
a
large
and
complicated
discussion
and
one
that
you
know
needs
to
occur,
but
it
also
wasn't
part
of
what
we
took.
The
council
right
and
I
do
find.
X
A
Like
what
is
that
1%
of
our
use,
yeah
I
mean
I,
agree,
it's
low-hanging
fruit
and
it's
an
easy
target
and
I
don't
disagree
with
any
of
that,
but
I
think
in
terms
of
the
numbers
you
could
ban
commercial
use
and
it
would
have
almost
no
observable
effect
on
you
know.
The
day-to-day
use
of
the
system
I
feel,
like
that's,
become
sort
of
the.
If
you
will
the
poster
child
and
maybe
with
good
reason,
but
in
terms
of
what's
the
problem,
we're
trying
to
solve
I
think
it's
actually.
AD
We
heard
a
comment
from
counsel
last
night
that
yeah
we
understand
the
word
toolkit,
but
the
language
doesn't
quite
seem
strong
enough
in
the
sense
that
you've
got
to
tackle
something.
That
is
a
something
everyone's
facing
across
the
Front
Range
nationally
and
even
internationally.
How
do
you
manage
increased
visitation
in
terms
of
keeping
the
quality
experience
and
potential
impact
to
resources?
AD
The
this
visit
a
use
management
approach
which
various
other
agencies
departments
are
developing,
what
everyone's
pointing
to
there
isn't
a
single
answer,
normally
there's
a
toolkit
and
that
toolkit
has
to
be
adapted
specifically
to
a
geographic
location,
even
within
our
system.
We'll
have
to
look
at
different
approaches
to
maximize
quality,
visit,
experience
and
minimize
impact
to
resources.
So
we
do
understand
how
complex
it
is.
I
think
this
strategy
was
seeing.
AD
Meanwhile,
there
is
certain
actions
we
can
take,
which
are
described
elsewhere
in
the
plan
and
what
we
already
do
to
manage
visitation.
Can
we
update
those
while
we're
looking
at
it
make
a
picture?
So
this
probably
is
a
two
tier
parallel
approach
between
short-term
actions
we
can
take
and
then
the
bigger
picture
that
everyone
else
is
also
facing
I.
AC
Think
that
the
component
of
that
and
the
best
practice
around
that
is,
you
know,
as
we
think,
about
updating
the
visitor
master
plan
that
we
look
to
the
acknowledgement
that
carrying
capacity
in
some
situations
may
be
a
legitimate
tool.
But
we
have
to
go
through
a
process
that
mark
just
described
as
to
to
look
at
the
data
that
we've
been
collecting
over
the
last
decade
since
we
or
so
since
we've
been
implementing
the
visitor
master
plan,
use
that
as
an
evaluation
framework
to
adjust
in
an
adaptive
management
framework.
AC
What
isn't
isn't
working
and
explore
at
that
point?
What
are
the
potential
tools?
And-
and
it's
at
that
point,
that
if
it's
determined
yes
carrying
capacity,
is
potentially
feasible
in
a
particular
location,
then
there
would
be
a
process
to
design
that
in
and
of
itself
at
that
particular
location.
But
I
think
that
there's
a
recognition
that
it's
not
a
tool
that
could
be
applied
system-wide
in
a
uniform
way.
So.
B
B
Difficulty
in
access
has
been
a
limiting
factor,
and
that's
not
you
know
the
situation
here.
Water
and
land
have
been
limiting
factors
and
those
don't
appear
to
be
the
situation's
here
either,
and
so
we're
gonna
have
to
take
it
upon
ourselves
as
a
community
to
figure
it
out.
You
know
we
want
to
do
and
I
keep
using
the
watershed.
As
an
example,
in
New,
York
City
is
the
same
thing.
People
have
taken
those
kinds
of
actions
historically,
and
everyone
is
in
agreement,
but
this
is
gonna
be
more
difficult
and.