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A
A
That's
unanimous.
The
second
item
is
public
comment
for
items
not
identified
for
a
public
hearing.
The
two
items
that
are
set
for
public
hearing
are
the
agreement
with
the
boulder
rifle
club
and
the
Shanahan
acquisition.
So
if
you
want
to
speak
to
us
about
any
other
subject,
this
would
be
the
time
to
do.
It.
I
think
you've
all
spoken
to
us
before
we'll
fall
of
our
usual
procedure.
Three
minutes
each
and
five.
C
Good
evening
trustees,
Hans
price
1719,
Mary
posts
are
having
you
I'm
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
boulder
motor
bike.
Alliance
I
would
like
to
give
you
an
update
on
the
trail
building
that
we
did
this
past
season.
We
had
a
total
of
eight
trail
building
events
with
OS
MP
173
people
showed
up
and
donated
610
hours
to
the
trails
that
includes
about
60
high
school
students
from
a
Fairview
High
School.
C
We
focused
this
year.
We
focused
on
the
dowdy,
draw
downhill
between
the
Flatirons
Vista
and
the
brook
crossing
down
below,
which
was
very
severely
eroded
during
the
2013
floods.
It
needed
a
lot
of
work.
The
majority
of
our
time
was
spent
over
there
I
yeah.
If
you
we've
been
out
there
recently,
it
is
vastly
improved
it's
a
lot
more
solid
and
with
withstanding
the
use
and
abuse
it's
a
challenge,
challenging
section,
because
it's
in
the
shade
it
never
really
dries
out
properly.
C
C
We
are
also
using
the
opportunity
to
teach
people
to
build
how
to
build
a
trail
right
that
it
needs
to
be
maintained
properly
and
regularly
that
good
trails
don't
fall
from
the
sky.
Someone
has
to
build
on
giving
so
giving
back
to
the
trails
is
a
good
thing.
We're
also
teaching
people
to
will
safety,
camaraderie
and
teamwork.
C
Yeah
so,
overall,
we
are
very
happy
with
the
results
we
had
a
successful
season.
I
think
a
lot
of
smiling
faces.
I
want
to
thank
both
Clark.
The
trail
volunteer
program
lead
with
the
department
in
particular
and
Sam
and
Cameron
on
his
team,
as
well
as
Chad
Brotherton
and
Jared
Roberts
as
supervisors
for
next
year.
We're
looking
pretty
much
forward
to
doing
the
same
south
boulder
needs
a
lot
of
work.
The
backlog
is
still
substantial,
so
you
will
hear
from
us
again.
Thank
you.
D
Thank
you.
All
I
just
wanted
to
also
appreciate
last
month's
discussion,
the
great
questions,
great
presentation
by
staff,
John,
Potter
and
Andy
Pilcher,
and
then
just
really
encouraged
about
the
direction
that
agricultural
leasing
seems
to
be
taking.
I
just
had
a
couple
of
specific
ideas
of
how
to
fix
the
the
waiting's
in
particular,
and
it
seems
like
we
do
have
this
rationale
to
for
wading
towards
experience
and
the
rationale
being
that
we
want
to
minimize
farm
failures
and
I.
D
Think
there
there's
a
better
way
to
do
this
than
relying
so
highly
on
experience,
and
that
is
make
equipment,
requirements
and
financial
ability
more
significant
and
decrease
experience.
Because
if
you
have
the
equipment-
and
you
have
the
financial
means,
it's
likely
that
somehow
you
have
enough
experience
to
have
that
equipment.
D
D
The
reliance
that
we
have
on
experience,
which
tends
to
in
practice,
exclude
newer
farmers
and
that
would
be
50%
of
the
waiting
would
be
for
supporting
the
management
objectives
of
the
city,
including
the
agricultural
resource
management
plan,
25%
experience
and
on
this
I'd
like
to
just
comment
that
experience
is
more
than
just
the
number
of
years
that
you
have
in
agriculture.
It
seems
like
if
you're
old,
you
get
higher
experience
of
previous
decisions.
D
But
it
also
means
that
you
tend
to
have
a
more
compact
and
that
can
lead
to
a
more
regenerative
type
of
operation
where
there's
more
proximity
of
Labor
to
the
to
the
operation.
The
second
category,
I
think
that
we
need
to
fix
and
I'm
going
to
include
this
in
the
emails.
Is
that
if
you
look
at
the
decisions
in
the
most
recent
round
of
bidding,
there
seems
to
be
a
disconnect
between
the
stated
criteria
and
the
way
that
those
criteria
are
judged
and
I
just
would
remind
going
through
the
county
process.
D
Two
decisions
can
only
be
made
by
based
on
information,
that's
in
the
bid
itself
and
not
on
other
information
that
might
be
just
sort
of
floating
around
in
the
in
the
general
knowledge
and
I
would
say,
that's
very
important,
and
if
you
look
at
the
examples
that
I'll
send
you
there's,
some
millat
of
information
is
being
left
kind
of
out
of
the
bids,
and
I
would
encourage
that
things
do
need
to
be
sort
of
transparent
and
in
the
bid
process.
Thanks.
E
Thank
you.
Thank
you
again,
I'm
gonna
begin
here.
Please
do
not
feel
guilty
for
my
tears
life
is
that
beautiful
and
without
them
we
forget
how
those
ones
coats
glowed
under
the
full
moon
and
their
gaze,
love
herself
spreading
her
wings
to
touch
that
fine
mist
hanging
in
the
mountain
moonlight.
While
you
sang
your
Creole
walking
song
little
Sun
on
your
shoulders
in
harmony
with
their
hooves
and
horns.
E
Tears
are
the
appropriate
medicine
for
the
day
and
a
life
well-lived
in
gratitude
grace
and
a
table
laid
with
friends
whose
bodies
are
always
touching
that
holy
mountain
again
of
I,
remembering
so
that's
a
story
from
Jacob
Springs
farm
where
I
live
with
Andre,
whose
knee
and
I
am
bringing
it
here
because
there's
a
quality
to
regenerative
agriculture
that
really
holds
the
stories
of
our
land
and
the
reason
that
is
is
because,
in
order
to
be
a
regenerative
farmer,
you
have
to
really
understand
complex
systems.
You
have
to
know
how
to
pay
attention.
E
You
have
to
know
how
to
think
ahead
and
see
see.
What's
coming,
you
have
to
know
the
interrelatedness
between
climate
between
animals
between
bigger
bigger
issues
in
our
world
right
now.
This
is
the
beauty
of
regenerative
agriculture.
It
actually
has
the
capacity
to
touch
large
issues
like
desertification
and
drought
and
famine.
It's
really
focused
on
healing
in
the
land,
and
so
it's
the
role
of
farmer
as
healer
is
a
substantial
one
and
there's
only
about
I.
E
Think
less
than
four
percent
of
the
open
space
AG
lands
that
are
now
dedicated
to
regenerative
agriculture,
so
I
think
it's
really
important
to
give
this
this
land
that's
available.
It's
a
beautiful
program,
I'm,
really
glad
that
it
exists,
but
to
give
it
to
these
farmers
who
are
practicing
regenerative
agriculture
because
it
really
has
the
capacity
to
turn
the
tide
of
climate
change.
It's
a
it's!
A
healing
modality,
deeply
healing.
E
It
really
looks
at
what
on
a
you
know.
Local
scale
is
good
for
people
good
for
animals
good
for
the
economy.
Good
for
community
Andre
is
an
incredible
farmer.
He's
been
farming
for
over
thirty
years
and
has
an
understanding
of
farming
not
only
from
a
local
perspective,
but
he
actually
has
sustainable
businesses
that
are
oriented
in
other
parts
of
the
world
as
well.
So
this
kind
of
complexity
of
understanding
is
what
makes
a
farmer
that's
really
going
to
make
a
difference
in
our
community
and
I
also
want
to
talk
specifically
about
the
Lewes
property.
E
That's
coming
up
this
winter
because
it
is
very
ideal
for
regenerative
farming
like
there
needs
to
be
contiguous
land
in
order
to
do
regenerative
farming.
Well,
in
our
situation,
we
don't
have
a
huge
amount
of
land,
and
so
we
end
up
spending
a
lot
of
time
and
labor
and
moving
animals
around
to
other
pieces
of
property.
So
there's
like
an
opportunity
here
on
the
Lewes
property
to
really
support
a
regenerative
farmer,
and
the
other
thing
about
regenerative
farming
is
it's
like
now
is
the
time
like
like
like
once
you
get
going
with
a
regenerative
project.
E
Also
with
the
lowest
piece
of
property,
there
is
housing,
which
is
also
a
factor
in
regenerative
farming,
because
there's
more
work,
that's
being
done
with
with
one's
own
hands,
so
it
actually
requires
more
direct
labour.
It's
a
it's
a
more
direct
relationship
with
the
land,
so
the
fact
that
there
is
housing
on
that
property
is
also
makes
it
ideal
for
potentially
having
a
regenerative
farm
on
that
piece
of
land.
Access
to
water,
as
well
with
having
multiple
animals
is
also
a
benefit
of
that
particular
piece
of
land
perfect.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
F
Hi
everybody
I'm
cars,
post,
Mueller,
383,
Jasper
Drive
in
Lyons
I,
was
a
member
of
the
prairie
dog
working
group.
You
know
I,
believe
that
the
options
for
the
values
exercise
and
other
online
materials
about
the
expedited
plan
for
prairie
dogs
on
irrigated
egg
lands
are
biased
towards
privately
owned
ranching
farming
interests.
These
irrigated
egg
lands
for
publicly
owned
lands
purchased
with
taxpayer
dollars,
and
we
need
to
always
keep
that
in
mind.
F
There
should
be
more
inclusion
in
the
process
of
the
benefits
of
these
egg
lands
to
the
public,
including
the
importance
of
prairie
dog
conservation,
which
was
the
overall
working
group
goal.
The
use
of
non-lethal
methods
to
manage
prairie
dogs,
which
was
a
key
working
group
basic
principle
and
other
use,
is
compatible
with
prairie
dog
occupancy.
F
It
seems
to
me,
like
the
expedited
process,
has
been
solely
created
to
consider
lethal
management
on
these
lands.
As
such,
it
dismisses
and
devalues
the
two
years
of
intense
and
difficult
efforts
of
the
working
group,
as
well
as
the
approximate
approximately
a
hundred
and
seventy
thousand
dollars
the
city
paid
for
that
project.
It
is
particularly
concerning
because
the
expedited
process
is
taking
place
before
Oh
SMP
has
had
a
chance
to
implement
the
working
groups
non-lethal
recommendations,
some
of
which
were
developed
specifically
to
help
resolve
conflicts
on
irrigated
lands.
F
Oh
SMP
should
implement
and
exhaust
all
appropriate
and
online
non-lethal
working
group
recommendations
on
AG
lands
experiencing
the
most
conflicts
to
determine
their
effectiveness
in
diminishing
the
conflicts
prior
to
moving
forward
with
any
lethal
options,
increase
relocations
and
increase
passive
relocations,
install
more
barriers
etc,
but
also
it's
extremely
important
to
focus
resources
on
the
implementation
of
the
working
groups.
Economic
recommendations.
F
Your
committees
argument
for
the
expedited
process
was
that
the
prairie
dogs
were
allowing
OS
BT
to
meet
the
city
charter
obligations.
I've
read
the
Charter,
it
identifies
several
allowable
uses,
but
does
not
establish
current
acreage
or
percentage
goals
for
irrigated
a
glance.
I
think
the
current
goals
should
be
revisited
during
the
process
and
revised
to
reflect
the
need
for
multiple
uses
on
these
lands,
including
habitat
for
prairie
dogs
where
they
occur.
So
thanks
for
the
opportunity
to
comment
here
and
I
also
will
be
submitting
other
comments
to
Oh
SMP.
During
their
open
comments,
Thanks
thank.
G
Hi,
thank
you.
My
name
is
Lindsey
Stirling
crank,
tootin,
Brook,
Road,
Boulder
and
still
in
the
midst
of
this
complex
prairie
dog
management
issue,
and
especially
looking
at
these
irrigated
AG
lands
and
I
was
disappointed
to
not
make
the
October
23rd
open
house
I
had
been
invited
to
a
co-exist
summit
in
Montana,
where
this
awesome
group
of
scientists
and
ranchers
and
producers
and
conservationists
all
got
together
to
look
at
issues
on
the
lands
and
how
to
keep
working
lands
and
public
lands
and
a
glands
producing
with
wildlife
and
coexisting.
So
we
looked
at
bears.
G
We
looked
at
wolves,
we
looked
at
prairie
dogs
and
we
looked
at
bison
and
it's
a
great
movement,
and
one
of
the
biggest
things
that
came
out
of
that
was
that
I
found
really
encouraging.
Was
that
the
USDA,
which
is
being
some
of
our
biggest
you
know?
Wildlife
killers
over
the
past
in
our
in
our
country
is
now
looking
at
passing
a
1.3
four
million
dollar
bill
for
their
non-lethal
staff
and
I
just
thought
that
was
amazing
and
such
a
turn
of
the
tide
and
something
that
we've
all
been
working
towards
in
the
advocacy
community.
G
For
wildlife,
management
and
being
progressive
in
the
environment
and
I
just
wanted
to
share
with
you
that
that's
happening
and
then
coming
back
to
Boulder
and
coming
back
into
this
issue,
where
we're
an
expedited
process
to
evaluate
lethal
control
for
our
prairie
dogs
was
a
bummer
and
was
a
setback
and
I
hope
that
whatever
we
do
moving
forward
that
we
can
remember
a
couple
key
things.
One
of
them
was
I
was
spent
some
time
on.
Some
of
these
era,
got
it
irrigated
a
client's
this
summer
and
just
going
out
and
looking
at
this
beautiful
land.
G
And
yes,
it
was
pocketed
with
prairie
dogs
here
and
there,
but
it
was
kind
of
a
small
pocket
and
the
grass
looked
healthy
and
it
was
producing,
and
some
of
these
were
hay
fields
and
those
were
also
productive
and
I.
Just
thought.
Are
we
really
gonna
go
change,
our
policy
that
we're
all
so
proud
of
for
this
two
or
three
hundred
dollars
here?
How
can
we
actually
work
together
to
make
that
work
so
that
these
producers
and
these
farmers
and
these
crop
growers
can
have
some
sort
of
stasis
with
wildlife
on
the
lands?
G
And
what
can
we
do
together?
So
I
really
hope
that
we
can
remember
that
the
prairie
dog
working
groups
recommendations
really
looked
at
what
kind
of
information,
what
kind
of
quantification,
what
kind
of
numbers
and
evaluation
and
planning
do.
We
need
to
do
to
make
those
coexistence
tactics
work,
and
that
I
also
want
to
point
out
that
the
support
for
lethal
control
in
our
community
was
only
after,
not
only
thell
didn't
work.
So
we
have
to
remember
that
we
have
to
implement
these
coexistence
in
these
non-lethal
pieces
before
we
get
to.
G
This
doesn't
make
sense
to
do
the
lethal
piece,
so
that
was
really
my
bit.
The
other
piece
is
yes,
I
myself
find
it
easier.
Even
though
I
don't
do
this
often
it
would
be
easier
to
kill
the
prairie
dogs
than
to
deal
with
how
much
harder
it
is
sometimes
to
make
it
work
on
both
sides
of
the
equation.
But
the
data
shows
if
we
don't
stabilize
these
populations.
G
H
While
times
getting
set
up,
I'll
just
remind
the
board
that,
on
a
related
but
separate
matter,
we
staff
for
OS
&
P
will
be
compiling
information,
as
we
know
it
as
it
exists
today
regarding
the
expansion
effort,
and
we
will
make
sure
that
the
board
is
updated
as
we
get
updated
and
in
a
upcoming
board
packet,
we
will
provide
you
the
information
that
we
know
about
and
that
we've
participated
in
up-to-date
for
the
expansion
effort,
but
as
we
tried
to
indicate
it
in
the
memo.
This
is
a.
I
Okay,
thank
you
thank
you
for
having
me
here
tonight.
As
Dan
said,
this
is
a
project
I've
been
working
on
for
seven
or
eight
years.
Believe
it
or
not.
There
has
been
a
long
term
dispute
between
the
city
of
Boulder
and
the
boulder
rifle
Club,
and
this
agreement
is
a
culmination
of
years
of
work
to
try
to
resolve
that
dispute.
I
There's
a
go
through
the
history
a
little
bit,
but
the
goal
would
be,
as
you
probably
know,
every
officer
and
the
boulder
Police
Department
has
to
annually
be
qualified
on
to
use
a
rifle,
and
we
also
have
a
SWAT
team
that
has
to
train
right
now.
They
train
down
in
Broomfield.
So
that
means
that
every
officer
who
trains
has
to
be
out
of
service
for
a
full
day,
and
so
something
would
have
happened
in
Boulder.
They
would
not
be
available.
I
The
boulder
rifle
club
is
ten
minutes
away,
and
so,
if
they
were
training
there,
it
they
would
be
able
to
respond
to
emergencies
would
be
a
half
day
rather
than
a
full
day
of
out
of
service,
and
the
the
availability
of
Broomfield
is
getting
more
and
more
limited.
There
just
aren't
very
many
places
where
people
shoot
and
which
is
one
of
the
reasons
for
the
for
the
expansion.
That's
on
the
plan,
that's
a
subject
for
another
day.
It
should
be
clear
that
this
agreement
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
expansion.
I
It's
as
I
said,
I've
been
working
on
it
I
think
for
eight
years
now
the
expansion
I
learned
about
earlier
this
year.
So
let
me
tell
you
a
little
history.
The
boulder
Gun
Club
was
founded
approximately
eighteen.
Ninety
nine
there's
records
of
in
1899.
There
was
no
record
of
when
it
was
founded,
but
it
existed
in
1899.
It
became
the
boulder
reiko
flow
Club
in
1923.
The
current
site
was
the
Boulder
City
dump
from
1935
until
I
think
about
1965
dump
was
previously
at
the
site
of
scott
Carpenter
Park
in
the
30s.
I
They
people
started
complaining
that
the
dump
was
right
along
Arapaho
Road,
which
is
the
main
interest
of
the
city,
so
they
moved
it
north
to
get
it
out
of
the
way
the
first
rifle
range
was
built
on
the
site
by
somebody
called
the
group
called
the
boulder
boys
in
1950.
The
rifle
club
took
it
over
in
76,
so
in
this
is
early
as
the
70s,
the
City
Police
Department
was
training
there,
and
on
and
off
there
were
disputes
to
the
club.
There
was
some
strong
personalities
on
both
sides
of
the
equation.
I
So
we've
been
talking
back
and
forth
about
how
we
solve
these
problems
and
get
the
police
back.
It
should
be
clear
that
we're
talking
about
city
land
here
it
is
not
open
space
land.
The
reason
why
you're
graced
with
my
presence
tonight
is
because
no
department
wants
this
land.
As
I
said
it
was
a
dump
for
30
years,
the
opioid
to
give
it
to
public
works,
I've
tried
to
open
space
parks,
nobody
want
so
the
city
attorney
ends
up
handling
it,
because
no
one
else
will
deal
with
it.
I
The
the
the
the
land
at
issue
and
I'll
show
you
some
maps
in
a
second.
The
land
issue
is
south
of
the
club.
They
have
an
access
easement
across
city
land,
which
we
would
be
which
we
would
make
permanent
and
they
use
a
bit
of
land
for
parking,
and
let
me
show
you
some
maps
that'll
help
make
that
clear.
So
this
is
a
this
is
in
your
packet
in
the
it's
from
the
packet
material
that
will
approve
the
lap
and
purchase,
and
so,
as
you
can
see,
the
I'll
use
a
little
pointer
here.
I
This
is
the
lap
in
property
which
is
open
space
property,
the
city
acquired
in
2011
I'm,
not
exactly
sure
man,
yeah
yeah,
give
it
you
yeah.
So
so
this
is
the
rifle
club
as
it
exists
today.
This
is
all
this
whole
area
here
is
formerly
the
city
dump.
This
area
up
here
is
open
space
land.
This
area
here
is
Boulder
rifle
club
property
that
is
covered
by
a
county
open
space
easement.
The
county
is
negotiating
with
the
club
to
allow
expansion
of
the
club.
I
This
way
onto
that
easement
again,
this
this
arrangement
has
nothing
to
do
with
that.
But
that's
when
you
they
talk
about
the
expansion.
This
is
the
area
they're
talking
about
so
this
is.
This
is
from
a
survey
and
as
I
you
can
see.
This
is
the
Lapham
property
over
here
you
can
see
the
pond
up
there
and
on
the
the
aerial
you
can
see
the
pond
there.
So
it's
just
to
orient
yourselves.
So
this
line
is
an
easement,
that's
owned
by
the
rifle
club
that
burdens
the
current
open
space
property.
I
If
this
is
a
recording
recording
information
at
the
Baldy,
County
Register
and
there's
there's
something
in
here
that
says
this
is
an
old
road
and
to
my
knowledge
it
has
never
been
used,
but
it
is
a
recorded
easement.
It
did,
for
some
reason,
did
not
come
up
at
the
time
of
the
lap
and
purchase
we
learned
about
it
when
we
started
talking
about
this
and
they
were
threatening
to
build
a
road
on
it
again.
I
Some
strong
personalities
at
the
time,
so
the
the
the
city
has
an
interest,
although
not
a
tremendously
great
interest
in
extinguishing
this,
as
this
easement,
so
weakened
ever
in
the
future,
be
used
to
interfere
with
the
open
space
uses
of
that
land.
This
is
the
area
so
that,
as
I
said,
this
is
all
this.
I
The
former
city
dump
that
scar
city
of
Boulder
properties
see
a
bullet
property
line,
is
approximately
there,
so
you
can
see
they
have
a
parking
lot
right
in
there
and
up
there,
so
we
have
been
we
have
on
and
off
for
the
last
20
or
30
years,
given
them
easements
to
use
this
area.
This
is
a
close
up
of
the
area.
This
is
the
land
that
would
be
conveyed
to
them
by
quick
claim
deed
for
them
to
have
their
parking
lot
and
access
to
their
200
yard
range.
I
So
the
site,
as
a
summary
of
the
transaction,
the
city
quick
claims
the
edge
parcel,
which
is
what
I
call
this:
the
edge
parcel
to
the
rifle
club,
the
club,
quick
climbs,
the
easement
over
the
lap
in
property
of
the
city.
The
club
pays
the
city
30
thousand
dollars
and
let
me
sort
of
explain
where
the
thirty
thousand
dollars
came
from.
So,
if
you
look
at
this
map
about
seven
hundred
yards
from
here,
the
Hidden
Valley
trail
crosses
north,
and
so
we
had
originally
demanded
without
having
seen
the
property
that
they
build.
I
A
bigger
berm
to
prevent
any
possible
intrusion
on
the
Hidden
Valley
trail.
Well,
dan
and
I
went
out
there
and
actually
climbed
that
berm.
There's
two
problems:
one,
it's
pretty
high!
The
only
way
to
get
a
bullet
over
that
would
be
to
shoot
straight
up
in
the
air
and
there's
no
way
you
can
make
a
berm.
That
would
be
high
enough,
so
someone
couldn't
shoot
up
in
the
air
and,
secondly,
to
build
a
higher
berm.
I
You
have
to
cross
expand
the
base,
which
would
mean
intruding
onto
open
space
property,
which
is
something
we
weren't
interested
in
discussing.
So
we
discussed
with
them
ways
in
which
we
could
mitigate
potential
risks
to
safety,
to
open
space
visitors
and
the
the
the
challenge
is
that
people
don't
always
stay
on
trails
and
can
wander
off
and
sometimes
for
reasons
that
are
beyond
me,
they're
attracted
by
the
sound
of
gunshots,
so
people
have
occasionally
wandered
off
the
trail
towards
the
rifle
bump.
I
No
one
has
ever
been
hurt,
or
even
at
risk
as
far
as
I
know,
so
we
talked
about
ways
in
which
we
could
mitigate
those
damages.
Perhaps
those
risks
with
perhaps
better
signage,
a
better
fence
or
whatever,
without
using
open
space
fun.
So,
in
return
for
saying
the
you
know,
there's
really
no
point
in
building
a
higher
berm
and
we
don't
want
one
anyway
because
would
intrude
on
open
space
land.
They
agreed
to
give
us
$30,000
and
the
way
we
wrote
in
the
was
to
mitigate
impacts,
sort
of
to
increase
safety.
I
I
As
I
understand,
dam
can
explain
better
there's
in
the
north
trail
study
area
area
plan,
there
is
a
plan
to
move
the
Hidden
Valley
Trail
north
any
any
way
so
that
there
may
not
be
a
good
use
for
the
funds
to
do
it.
Maybe
you
could
do
something
else
with
that
money
we
didn't.
We'd
have
you'd
have
to
think
about
that,
and
also,
if
they
go
forward
with
the
expansion
they'd
have
the
the
the
the
the
there
there
there
are
rules
about
how
close
the
trail
can
be.
I
That
trail
is
too
close
for
the
expansion
right
now,
so
the
trail
would
have
to
move
to
allow
for
the
expansion
if
the
county
allows
the
expansion
so
I'm
not
sure
what
you'd
want
to
do
with
the
money.
But
that's
where
the
money
came
from,
why
the
$30,000?
It's
not
really
a
payment
for
the
property
or
trying
to
even
out
the
amounts.
This
is,
as
I
said,
old
dump
land
I
have
walked.
It
I'll
tell
you
that
there
are
Park
car
parts
and
parts
of
mattresses
extruding
from
the
land.
I
I,
don't
know
that
it
has
a
lot
of
value
that
currently
on
the
southern
portion
over
here
they're
building
an
emergency
tower
for
the
the
new
radio
communications
network
that
the
public
safety
agencies
are
building
so-
and
this
is
a
very
steep
slope,
so
the
only
flat
area
is
up
here
which
is,
of
course
their
land.
So
this
is
this:
there's
a
there's
a
strip
of
flat
land
here,
and
then
this
drops
off.
I
So
the
I
brought
this
to
City
Council
to
the
City
Council
agenda
committee
and
asked
them
to
schedule
approval
of
the
agreements.
They
asked
me
to
bring
it
to
you
to
get
your
feedback
on
it.
So
that's
the
reason
I'm
here
and
I
would
appreciate
your
comments
and
any
motion
to
support
or
oppose
to
before
I
bring
it
back
to
Council.
Thank.
J
K
I
Actually,
because
I
was
actually
trying
to
do
a
deal
with
one
of
the
mobile
home
parks
to
park
recreational
vehicles
there,
so
we
could
expand
the
library
line
and
we
looked
at
it
and
decided
that
the
county
would
never
allow
us
to
put
a
parking
lot
there.
So
I'm
not
sure
it
has
any
use
whatsoever
for
anything.
As
I
said,
Karen,
it's
not
flat.
It's
it's
very
steep.
It
goes
down
to
a
pit
and
as
you're.
I
Their
parking
lot
is
up
in
the
edge,
so
that's
the
parking
lot
there
there's
a
very
narrow
band
of
flat
land
and
it
goes
down.
The
police
actually
use
the
pit
to
blow
things
up.
So
occasionally
they
explode
stuff
down
there
and
I
should
mention
that
deputy
chief
Curtis
Johnson
from
the
police
department
is
here.
If
you
have
any
questions
about
their
needs
and
Burton
stoner
is
here
as
well
from
the
open
space
Rangers,
who
also
will
be
training
there.
So.
I
L
I
It's
it's
a
right
to
enter
so
though
this
this
part
down
here
is
a
that's
a
direct
path,
and
so
you
couldn't
theoretically
what
they
threatened
me
with.
Once
was
so
they
come
in
right
now
over
city
property,
on
this
piece
of
this
road.
Here
they
we
were
refusing
to
give
them
another
easement,
so
they
threatened
to
build
a
road
on
my
lap
in
property.
L
So
time
I've
I've
got
a
couple
of
questions.
I
am
concerned
that
there
are
two
major
issues.
From
my
perspective
related
to
the
adjacent
open
space,
one
is
safety.
It
seems
to
me
that
the
safety
issue
is
a
mutual
issue
of
mutual
concern
between
the
rifle
club
and
the
city
of
Boulder.
The
other
issue
is
the
experience
of
the
visitor
on
open
space
so
for
lack
of
a
better
term,
the
open
space
experience
and,
and
so
I
think
we
should
separate
those
two
and-
and
this
speaks
to
the
the
safety
issue.
L
The
$30,000
is
a
little
concerning
to
me
because
I
don't
know
whether
whether
we
looked
at
what
the
fence
fencing
requirements
are,
but
I'm,
not
sure
that
may
be
sufficient
to
you
know
address
the
costs
of
whatever,
whatever
mitigation
actually
is
determined.
So
that's
one
of
the
concerns.
The
other
concern
is
is
a
little
more
problematic,
and
that
is
what
do
you
do
with
the
visit.
L
It's
it's
just
the
noise
and
I
think
with
the
prospect
of
the
expansion
proposal
that
noise
factor
is
probably
realistically
going
to
increase
and
so
I'm
just
a
little
discomfort
of
that
noise
itself
is
not
addressed
in
this
agreement,
at
least
with
language.
That
says
that
you
know
there
should
be
subsequent
efforts
by
both
parties
to
deal
with
or
to
rectify
the
noise
impact
on
adjacent
properties.
So.
I
Yeah
we
could,
we
can
certainly
just
strengthen
the
the
language
and
the
agreement
on
that
issue.
The
noise
issue
is
is:
is
I'm
not
an
expert
on
the
expansion?
What
I've
read
is
that
to
get
it
approved,
they
have
to
do
significant
noise
abatement
on
the
new
public
rifle
range
that
they're
proposing,
so
they
they
the
the
materials
that
I've
seen
suggest
that
it
will
be
quieter
than
the
current
range.
Whether
the
current
range
still
produces
a
significant
amount
of
noise
and,
as
you
well
know,
rifle
shots.
L
I
Challenge
is,
of
course,
that
the
the
range
was
there
before
the
trail
was,
and
so
they
they.
There
aren't
very
many
places
where
you
can
shoot
in
this
County,
and
this
is
one
of
them.
That's
been
there
for
a
long
time.
I
think
they
would
push
back
pretty
hard
on
any
attempt
to
get
them
to
make
their
current
range
quieter.
I
Their
plan
is
to
so.
The
current
ranges
is
a
membership
range.
They
have
like
800
members
and
a
10-year
waiting
list
or
20-year
list.
The
the
proposal
was
for
a
public
range
that
would
be
open
and
free
to
the
public.
Are
they
they
intend
to
keep
their
membership
range
for
their
members
for
without
any
change,
so
I
I
can
ask,
but
and
maybe
get
some
language
about.
L
So
all
I
would
assert.
Is
that
recognizing
that
the
rifle
Club
was
there
early
on?
So
it's
been
about
a
hundred
years
or
more
so
things
have
changed,
and
so
it's
not
the
edge
of
the
city.
It's
not
in
a
rural
area
anymore.
It's
basically,
you
know
in
a
benign
area,
and
it
just
strikes
me
that
the
rifle
club
it
should
be
who've
the
rifle
club,
to
try
to
address
the
noise
impacts,
both
as
a
good
neighbor,
as
well
as
trying
to
realistically
minimize
its
impacts.
L
A
I
know
we're
not
really
here
to
discuss
the
expansion,
but
since
we
you're
here,
we
can
take
advantage
of
your
expertise
now
something
you
had
said
about
the
you
can't
have
the
rifle
range
within
a
certain
distance
of
a
trail
made
me
wonder
who
has
priority?
In
other
words,
if
they
say
does
that
mean
we
could
be
forced
to
move
the
trail,
or
does
it
mean
that
if
we
insist
on
keeping
the
trail
where
it
is,
that
is
a
barrier
to
the
expansion
or
perhaps
I
misunderstood
you
altogether,
I.
I
M
Hi
guys
so
the
the
requirement
is:
ask
me:
thirteen
hundred
and
twenty
feet
away
from
a
public,
right-of-way
or
a
public
trail,
or
they
have
to
do
mitigation
measures.
M
Engineering
mitigation
measures
in
their
current
proposal,
they're
actually
proposing
to
try
to
do
both
so
work
with
the
city.
Well,
they
identify
that
they
thought
it
was
the
city's
intention,
via
the
NTS,
a
to
be
moving
the
Hidden
Valley
Trail
at
some
point
in
time.
We
in
discussions
with
them
basically
said
you're
gonna
have
to
work
with
us
to
move
that
trail
right
now.
It's
about
six
to
seven
hundred
feet
away,
so
they're
actually
working
to
do
both
to
comply
with
both
the
engineered
solution,
as
well
as
the
setback.
A
M
That
any
kind
of
kickback
would
not
allow
a
bullet
to
go
out
of
the
range
they
also
in
adding
to
what
what
you
guys
were
discussing
with
Tom
they're,
actually
proposing
as
part
of
the
expansion
to
do
noise
abatement
on
two
of
the
existing
rifle
ranges.
Outdoor
rifle
ranges,
so
they
and-
and
they
did
do
a
noise
study
if
you've
seen
the
city's
comments
to
that
to
that
Apple
their
applications.
M
So
far,
the
noise
study
was
done
from
neighboring
residential
properties,
mostly
to
the
south,
and
we've
requested
as
part
of
this
development
application,
that
they
do
noise
studies
from
open
space
as
well
and
make
sure
to
include
a
noise
abatement
that
the
solutions
would
also
impact
open.
Space
visitor
experience
that.
B
B
N
The
first
question
I
can
definitely
answer
good
evening
trustees
on
the
Curtis
Johnston
with
the
police
department.
So
for
us
the
issue
is
having
a
closed
place
to
train.
So,
for
example,
right
now,
when
we
qualify
with
rifles,
it's
usually
we
go
to
arrange
for
one
or
two
days
and
what
that
means
for
our
officers
is
right.
N
Now
they
have
to
commute
to
Broomfield
and
shoot
and
get
back
they're
out
of
service
for
typically
at
least
two
and
a
half
hours,
the
rifle
club,
it's
less
than
ten
minutes
away
for
most
places
in
town
for
us.
So
it's
a
matter
of
convenience
and
having
the
ability
to
train
closer
to
where
we
work.
So
our
officers
are
more
available
because
we
try
to
do
all
of
that
training
on
duty,
so
does
that
impact
Community
Safety?
Absolutely
the
moderate
patrol
rifle
is
a
fundamental
piece
of
equipment
that
all
of
our
officers
are
trained.
N
N
Club
has
always
tried
to
work
with
law
enforcement
in
the
military
to
support
their
operation.
It's
part
of
their
fundamental
goal
is
to
be
supportive
of
that,
because
they
recognize,
as
sport
shooters
themselves,
that
having
a
well-trained
Police
Department
is
a
benefit
to
everyone.
Our
pride
at
the
club
I
would
like
to
say
that
we're
not
shooting
rounds
over
the
berm
some
of
the
mitigation
efforts
you've
heard
as
far
as
roofing
typically
they'll
build
a
baffled.
N
N
As
it
travels
as
you're
concerned
on
noise,
our
shooting
there
will
have
a
smaller
impact
on
noise
because
most
of
our
patrol
rifles,
we
shoot
with
suppressors,
which
greatly
reduces
the
noise
coming
from
our
firearms,
and
we
do
that
because
of
our
hearing
and
if
you
can
imagine
us
having
to
shoot
a
rifle
like
that
and
an
enclosed
space
like
in
the
hallway
of
a
building.
We
want
to
minimize
the
sound
because
it's
impactful
on
us
as
well,
and
it's
a
health
issue
for
our
ears.
N
So
most
of
the
time
when
we
shoot
rifles,
they
are
suppressed,
which
is
a
significantly
smaller
amount
of
noise
than
an
unsuppressed
rifle
as
to
the
lead
piece.
I,
don't
know
the
rifle
clubs
use
of
lead
or
not.
We
train
primarily
with
lead-free
ammunition
because
of
our
indoor
range.
All
of
our
handgun
shooting
is
lead-free,
because
we
don't
want
those
contaminants
in
the
air
and
we
don't
want
to
have
to
deal
with
lead.
Cleanup
I,
don't
know
where
the
rifle
club
stands
on
that.
Thank.
A
A
I
didn't
want
to
make
one
quick
point,
which
is
the
property
to
the
east
is
also
is
also
open
space,
and
so
it's
not
a
huge
thing,
but
within
the
global
agreement,
the
last
where
the
next-to-last
excuse
me
where,
as
Klaus
perhaps
should
also
reference
open
space
property
to
the
east,
partly
just
as
a
matter
of
completeness,
but
also.
We
should
just
keep
in
mind
that,
as
part
of
the
North
TSA,
there
is
a
potential
potential
trail
on
that
property
to
the
east.
That
would,
you
know,
sort
of
parallel
the
rifle
club.
It's
only.
A
The
agreement
is
just
that.
It's
a
potential
trail
there's
no
agreement
to
actually
commit
to
it,
nor
certainly
any
precise
alignment,
but
it
just
as
part
of
this
broader
discussion.
We
just
ought
to
keep
in
mind
that
the
property
to
the
east
is
both
open
space
and
it's
open
space
as
to
which
we
potentially
will
be
putting
a
trail.
You
know.
I
So
I
wrote
the
language
in
the
memo,
as
I
would
like
to
see
it
and
I
will
work
on
me
if
you
approve
the
language
in
the
memo.
As
the
motion,
that's
what
language
I
will
work
to
incorporate
into
the
agreement
is
I'm
not
crazy
about
the
language
in
the
agreement,
as
you
can
tell
date,
so
I
prefer
the
language
in
the
motion.
I
L
And
so
my
other
comment
would
be:
I
am
going
to
suggest
some
additional
language
for
the
agreement
related
to
noise
and
I.
Think,
given
what
we've
heard,
both
from
the
deputy
chief
and
from
Bethany
that
it
strikes
me
that
the
rifle
club
should
not
necessarily
balk
at
that
language,
since,
in
fact,
it
looks
like
they're
going
to
have
to
you
know,
do
some
of
those
mitigation
measures
that
we're
concerned
about
is
in
any
event
and
so
I.
Never.
L
A
B
L
I
think
also,
the
record
should
reflect
it.
I,
don't
think
the
board
is
in
opposition
at
all
to
the
use
of
the
rifle
club
by
the
City
Police
Department,
or
the
open
space
Rangers,
in
fact
we're
very
supportive
of
that,
and
so
the
conversation
on
you
know,
some
of
the
particulars
should
not
be
interpreted
as
opposition
to
the
city's
ability
to
have
its
law
enforcement
officers.
Use
that
facility
I
would.
A
O
I
would
know
the
obvious
that,
even
though
County
is
gonna
be
improving
the
expansion
all
the
land
around,
this
is
city,
managed,
property
or
open
space,
and
so
I
would
just
hope
that
our
ability
to
participate
in
that
process
with
the
county
would
maybe
be
strengthened.
Recognizing,
though,
we've
got
all
the
surrounding
and
I.
I
J
J
A
A
K
I
I
I
B
I'll
say
I'm
enthusiastic
about
supporting
it.
It
strikes
me
as
repairing
relationships
between
our
police
officers
and
our
local
range
makes
a
lot
of
sense
to
me
on
many
levels,
like
my
co
trustees
I'm
concerned
about
the
two
impacts
that
do
leave
the
property.
Those
are
noise
and
let
I
think
LED
doesn't
mean
more
of
a
discussion
for
expansion
in
the
future,
because
the
expense
of
the
ammunition
relates
to
total
amount
of
shots
fired,
and
therefore,
noise
I'll
be
fascinated
by
that
discussion
in
the
future.
B
C
K
I
Several
reasons
for
this
language:
one
we
have
a
series
of
easements
and
other
agreements
that
go
back
years
with
the
club,
clarifies
that
they're
all
gone,
that
this
is
the
this
is
the
relationship
between
the
club
there's
going
to
be
a
separate
grain
juice
agreement?
That's
not
part
of
this
agreement
and
not
contingent
on
this
agreement,
but
that's
the
police,
you
and
open
space
Rangers
shoes.
This
is
also
called
an
integration
clause
so
under
under
the
law.
I
If
you,
if
you
don't
have
an
integration
clause
to
someone,
can
come
forward
and
say
this
other
document
was
part
of
the
agreement.
So
you
put
an
integration
clause
in
all
written
agreements
to
say
that
to
make
it
clear
that
there's
no
other
documents
that
someone
can
bring
forward.
That's
part
of
this
agreement,
and
so
this
agreement
recites
all
the
other
agreements
that
are
part
of
it
and
it
disclaims,
and
that
there's
any
other
non.
Okay.
K
K
I
G
I
So
they're
the
ones
who
suggested-
and
it's
taken
us
a
long
time
to
get
them
to
agree
to
talk
to
us
or
for
us
to
want
to
talk
to
them.
So
that
may
seem
like
incredibly
weak
language.
But
it's
a
big
step
forward
and
frankly,
they
like
the
open
space
folks
that
they
met
when
we
went
out
there.
And
so
they
made.
H
I
I
I
And
so
to
get
to
the
point
where
they're
willing
to
sit
down
and
work
with
us
and
as
as
Curtis
said,
they
have
an
interest
in
Public
Safety
and
in
supporting
the
police
department.
They
wanted.
The
County
Sheriff's
have
shot
there.
All
this
time
and
part
of
the
problem
was
frankly,
each
party
was
trying
to
use
the
leverage
we
had
over
the
other
to
get
what
we
wanted.
So
we
the
that
we
knew
that
they
needed
our
land
to
get
to
their
club.
I
They
knew
that
we
wanted
to
use
their
clubs
rifles
for
training
our
officers,
so
we
went
back
and
forth
and
basically
like
full
student
corners
and
didn't
get
this
done
so
over
the
years.
We
have
broken
down
those
barriers
and
got
to
the
point
where
we're
not
standing
in
corners,
we're
gonna
cooperate
and
we're
gonna
get
the
police
back
in
there
and
the
Rangers
as
well,
who
we're
not
an
issue
when
we
did
this
before
they
weren't
training
there,
but
they
are.
Hopefully
they
will
be
soon
so.
K
I
But
most
important
was
something
that
Hal
noted
it
broke
down.
What
this
does
is
it
repairs
the
relationship
between
the
parties
and
I
think
Erin.
You
noted
that
as
well
and
that
that
is
the
most
important
thing
to
me
to
get
to
get
this
done
and
really,
and
it
will
not
surprise
you
that
many
of
our
police
officers
are
members
of
the
boulder
rifle
club.
I
So
I
hear
this
from
two
different
directions:
I
talked
to
their
lawyer
and
then
I
hear
from
our
Armour
and
one
of
our
deputy
Chiefs
and
one
of
our
commanders,
who
are
all
members
there
who
are
building
this
relationship.
So
the
the
their
belief
is
that
this
will
help
what
will
fix
things
and
we
will
be
able
to
get
our
police
back
in
there
and
accomplish
our
public
safety
goal.
So.
L
Before
we
do,
that,
I
would
like
to
offer
some
additional
language
for
the
board's
consideration
before.
Actually
we
convey
that
in
a
more
formal
fashion
for
time-
and
that
is
I
would
like
to
put
some
language
in
regarding
the
noise
issue
and
not
so
much
that
it
has
to
be
resolved
by
this
agreement.
But
it
is
part
of
the
agreement
to
meet
and
confer
so
there's
more
specificity
about
what
the
meeting
and
conferencing
actually
entails,
and
the
language
would
be.
L
This
agreement
does
not
address
the
sound
of
shots
in
in
the
impacts
on
open
space
lands
and
visitors
from
the
club
sounds
of
shots
and
noise
will
be
addressed
in
a
separate
agreement
or
I
was
going
to
say
or
in
the
decision
package,
if
approved,
for
expansion
of
the
club.
So
I'm
wondering
if
the
board
is
comfortable
with
some
kind
of
language
like
that.
L
O
A
B
I
A
L
No
wait:
I
move
that
the
open
space
board
recommend
that
to
the
Boulder
City
Council.
They
were
that
the
Boulder
City
Council
approves
a
series
of
agreements
with
the
boulder
rifle
club,
including
an
agreement
to
terminate
an
easement
over
the
lapin
property,
as
well
as
to
pay
to
the
city.
The
amount
of
$30,000
to
provide
additional
mitigation
of
impacts
to
open
space,
I
open
space
users.
A
H
H
We
all
came
on
in
the
past
four
or
five
years
together,
and
it
was
it's
just
one
of
those
work
groups
that
sort
of
that
the
neighborhood
grew
up,
moved
out
in
a
new
crop
of
neighbors
moved
in
and
that's
sort
of
how
the
real
estate
services
workgroup
is
has
formed.
When
we
came
on,
we
were
looking
at
a
series
of
evaluating
what
properties
we
felt
were
most
important
to
the
department
and
and
over
the
next
four
or
five
years.
P
Thanks
Dan
so
for
tonight's
presentation
on
the
Shanahan
ranch
acquisition
I'm
going
to
break
it
down
into
two
parts
again
by
talking
about
what
we're,
what
we're
requiring
or
what
we're
trying
to
choir,
which
will
include
a
brief
overview
of
the
property
and
some
history
of
Shanahan
ranch
as
well,
followed
by
a
discussion
of
why
we're
recommending
that
we
acquire
it.
I'll
then
wrap
up
by
providing
some
of
the
details
of
the
purchase
and
recommended
and
motion
language.
P
So
Shannon
Ranch
is
approximately
179
acres
located
at
one
zero
one:
nine
south
foothills
highway.
It's
bordered
by
the
Devil's
Thumb
and
Shanahan
Ridge
neighborhoods
to
the
north
and
west
state
hutton
highway,
93
to
the
east
and
OSP
fee
and
conservation,
easement
lands
to
the
south.
The
property
includes
101
Quarter
shares
in
south
boulder
and
bear
creek
ditch
when
the
most
senior
and
therefore
high,
yielding
and
valuable
water
rights
on
South
Boulder
Creek
as
well
as
three
ponds.
The
property
also
has
a
severed
minner
mineral
estate.
P
Generally
speaking,
the
minerals
under
the
east,
half
for
the
ranch
are
owned
by
the
Colorado
State
Land
Board.
Well,
the
minerals
under
the
west,
half
of
the
property
are
owned
by
the
city
and
the
Shanahan's
and
I'll
provide
a
little
bit
more
detail
on
on
that
in
a
little
bit
and
then
also
the
property
includes
a
ranch
headquarters.
Area
includes
a
single-family
home
and
five
agricultural
outbuildings,
which
are
in
the
about
the
five
acre
area
outlined
in
purple
there.
On
the
map
in
front
of
you.
P
The
city
acquired
two
development
rights
agreements
from
the
Shanahan
family,
which
extinguished
nine
of
the
eleven
development
rights
associated
with
the
property.
At
that
time,
the
city
also
acquired
from
the
family
one
and
a
half
shares
in
South
folder'
and
Bear
Creek
ditch
and
their
mineral
rights,
except
their
oil
and
gas
interests.
And
although
the
purchase
of
the
development
rights
agreements
helped
her
friend,
the
development
of
the
the
golf
course
and
the
housing
complex
did
not
fully
protect
the
property
from
development.
P
It's
really
staffs
opinion
that
this
is
city's
final
opportunity
to
acquire
and
preserve
this
property.
It's
it's
often
said
that
you
know
the
opportunities
to
acquire
and
protect
land
that
have
been
in
the
same
generation
for
some
well
same.
Family
for
generations
are
often
once
in
a
generation
opportunities
and
it's
rare
to
get
a
second
opportunity
with
the
same
generation
in
our
experience.
So.
P
That's
some
background
on
Shanahan
Ranch
and
what
we're
trying
to
acquire
and
so
I'll
spend
the
rest
of
my
time
speaking
about
why
we're
recommending
that
the
city
acquire
and
why
has
remained
such
a
high
priority
all
these
years
and
the
primary
reason
this
acquisition
is
a
high
priority.
Is
that
will
enable
us
to
preserve
sewer,
to
manage
a
remarkable
suite
of
conservation
purposes
and
resources
not
only
on
Shanahan
ranch
but
given
its
size,
location
and
the
interconnectedness
of
those
consum
open
space
charter
purposes
and
resources
we
will
be
able
to.
P
You
know:
better,
preserve,
better,
protect,
better
steward
and
better
manage
charter
purposes
and
resources
on
surrounding
OSP
lands
as
well.
So,
for
example,
this
property
sports
native
tallgrass
prairie,
that's
considered
imperiled
on
a
global
and
state
levels
by
the
Colorado
natural
heritage
program
and
and
these
grasslands
are
classified
as
having
very
high
biodiversity
significance,
providing
important
habitat
for
ground
nesting,
birds,
rare
butterflies
and
a
winter
habitat
for
mule
deer.
P
However,
this
acquisition
will
not
only
protect
the
tall
grass
prairie
on
Shannon
ranch,
but
better
enable
staff
to
steward
and
manage
these
grasslands
on
a
landscape
scale.
And
so
the
map
in
front
of
you
shows
the
Colorado
koala
grass
Prairie
State
Natural
Area,
including
its
current
boundaries
and
proposed
additions
and
based
on
feedback
from
the
Colorado
Natural
Heritage
Program.
Shanahan
Ranch
is
a
likely
addition
to
the
State,
Natural
Area
and
again
give
it
the
size,
location
and
infrastructural
infrastructure.
P
It
will
provide
important
buffer
habitat
to
these
critical
grasslands,
create
an
opportunity
to
expand
these
once
extensive
plant
communities
and
provide
a
hub
for
the
agricultural
management
of
the
state,
Natural
Area
and
similarly,
the
ranches
irrigated.
Lower
elevation
grasslands
and
ponds
provide
provincial
potential
opportunities
to
manage
for
important
species
like
northern
leopard
frogs,
which
were
found
on
one
of
the
properties,
ponds
and
bobolinks.
As
part
of
the
department's
larger
management
efforts
for
protecting
these
species.
P
The
property
is
also
one
of
Bullock
County's
oldest
ranches
and
is
irrigated
with
one
of
the
most
senior
water
rights
on
South
Boulder
Creek,
with
an
appropriation
date
of
1862.
But
really
what
makes
this
property
especially
unique
is
its
size,
location
and
existing
infrastructure,
including
a
residence
at
the
department's.
P
And
lastly,
we
just
wanted
to
highlight
that
since
Shanahan
ranch
has
been
privately
owned
and
the
development
rights
agreements
did
not
grant
to
the
city
rights
to
provide
public
access,
there
are
no
planned
trails,
trail
connections
or
access
points
for
this
property.
However,
the
property
is
within
the
west
trail
study
area
and
given
the
proximity
to
existing
trails,
trail
heads
and
access
points
and
recommendations
outlined
in
the
West
TSA
and
the
visitor
master
plan.
There
is
the
potential
and
want
to
emphasize
potential
to
offer
passive
recreational
opportunities
on
this
property
in
the
future.
P
The
agreements
allow
for
the
development
of
a
currently
undeveloped
residential
site
and
the
redevelopment
or
relocation
of
the
existing
residents,
as
well
as
an
unlimited
amount
of
era,
cultural
structures
which
would
significantly
impact
all
the
properties
charter
purposes
and
resources,
but
in
particular
scenic
areas,
vistas
and
aesthetic
values
and
just
for
reference.
The
undeveloped
residential
site
on
the
property
is
marked
by
the
yellow
circle
on
the
southeast
corner
of
the
of
the
property.
P
Next,
the
the
water
rights
can
be
so
are
not
tied
to
the
property
and
console
is
sold
off
and,
if
acquired
for
uses
other
than
irrigation,
would
likely
dry
up
the
ranch
in
perpetuity
the
drying
up
of
the
property.
When
would
impact
all
the
properties
charter
purposes
and
resources,
but
also
could
impact
the
underlying
hydrology
in
this
area
and
by
extension,
charter
purposes
and
resources
on
nearby
open
space
under
the
development
rights
agreements,
the
Shanahan's
retained
their
oil
and
gas
rights
on
the
west,
half
of
the
property
which
can
be
developed
or
released.
P
And
finally,
we
didn't
really
emphasize
this
in
the
memo,
but
we
thought
it
was
important
to
stress,
there's
no
requirement
or
obligation
in
the
development
rights
to
agreements
for
the
property
owner
to
keep
the
ranch
in
agricultural
production
or
managed
a
particular
way.
And
so
you
know
we
as
a
community
been
fortunate
that
the
Chan
Han
family
has
demonstrated
a
land
ethic
spanning
you
know
many
decades,
that's
in
line
with
OS
and
piece
land
ethic
and
values
and
management
practices.
P
So,
in
closing,
those
are
the
reasons
why
we're
recommending
this
acquisition.
To
recap,
we're
recommending
that
we
acquire
the
179
acres
of
land,
the
appurtenant
water
and
mineral
rights
and
the
ranch
headquarters,
or,
to
put
it
another
way,
everything
that
the
city
did
not
acquire
through
the
1985
development
rights
agreements
for
a
purchase,
price
of
8
million
dollars.
P
As
discussed
in
the
memo,
the
purchase
will
likely
include
a
lease
back
to
Lynn
Shanahan,
one
of
the
owners
who
has
lived
on
and
managed
a
ranch
with
his
wife
sandy
since
1994
to
help
ensure
the
Unruh,
uninterrupted
and
ongoing
agricultural
management
of
the
property
in
the
short
term
and
provides
some
time
for
the
department
to
develop
a
resource
assessment
and
management
recommendations
and
dan
touched
on
this
a
little
bit.
One
final
point:
before
going
to
clarifying
questions.
A
A
Just
I
certainly
support
this.
Like
many
people
here,
I
was
around
following
open
space
issues
back
in
2008
I'm
glad
this
one
came
back
around
a
second
time
in
some
ways:
I
like
this
deal
better,
it
doesn't
have
the
life
estate
and
you
know,
with
inflation
in
general,
increasing
value
of
real
estate,
but
change
in
price
relative
to
the
2008
deal
I
think
is
certainly
fair
and
I'll
certainly
support
this.
K
K
B
Having
only
you
know
been
out
in
small
groups,
one
thing
I
did
want
to
express
personally
when
we
do
a
resource
evaluation
pursuant
to
the
Charter
on
scenic
areas
and
vistas.
It's
my
own
personal
opinion,
but
I
think
a
lot
of
citizens
would
agree
that
the
power
lines
are
running
across
that
property
really
impede.
What
could
be
one
of
the
most
gold-plated
views
in
all
of
Boulder
and
I?
Think
down
the
road.
We
should
look
at
helping
underground
those
for
scenic
purposes,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
next
time.
L
I'm
going
to
support
this
with
enthusiasm
as
well
a
couple
of
things,
one
I
think
in
the
history
of
the
open
space
program.
There
are
a
few
properties
that
are
can
actually
be
called
jewels
of
the
program,
and-
and
this
is
certainly
one
it
further-
all
the
reasons
that
you
articulated
Luke.
It
was
really
an
important
and
significant
addition
to
the
city's
open
space
program.
One
of
the
things
that
is
important
to
me
personally
is
that
it
adds
the
continuity
of
lands.
L
For
you
know
the
State
Natural
Area,
the
targets,
prairie
Natural
Area,
was
first
designated
by
the
state
in
the
late
1980s
and
as
you
can
well,
you
can't
tell
from
from
the
map
they're
they're
kind
of
seven
in
the
original.
Naturally,
it
was
seven
discontinuous
parcels
and
the
purchase
of
the
Shanahan
ranch,
as
your
one
map
showed
starts,
to
bring
some
of
those
parcels
together,
so
that
the
extent
of
the
natural
area
for
a
whole
bunch
of
ecological
reasons
is,
is
greatly
magnified
and
I
think
that's
a
real
benefit.
O
This
is
sort
of
the
crowning
jewel
in
a
series
of
jewels
that
the
property
and
acquisitions
real-estate
folks
have
gotten
for
us,
and
so
we
don't
know
what
is
next.
But
this
is
a
terrific
run
in
the
last
few
years,
for
your
group
and
all
I
can
say,
is
Bravo
I
mean
you,
you
mentioned
most
of
them
Dan,
but
that's
quite
a
series
of
properties,
so
Bravo
who.
K
Be
glad
to
that
the
open
space
Board
of
Trustees
recommend
to
the
City
Council
that
they
approve
the
purchase
of
approximately
179
acres
of
land,
a
residence
garage
and
associated
outbuildings
and
the
appurtenant
mineral
and
water
rights,
including
one
and
a
quarter
shares
of
South
Boulder
and
Bear
Creek
dish
located
at
1019
South
foothills
highway
from
Shanahan
Ranch
LLC
for
eight
million
dollars
for
open
space
and
mountain
parks
purposes.
I'll.
A
H
Q
Next
and
mark
Gershman
couldn't
be
here
tonight,
so
I
will
provide
you
a
brief
update
on
the
management
review
of
irrigated
fields
with
high
prairie
dog
occupancy
that
you
and
council
directed
us
to
do
earlier.
This
year
we
opened
the
first
window
of
public
engagement
on
October
23rd,
with
a
community
meeting
at
the
OS
MP
offices
at
55th,
Street
80
members
of
the
public
were
in
attendance
at
that
meeting,
as
you
know,
because
you
were
there
as
well.
So
thank
you.
Q
Q
Staff
made
presentations
on
the
OS,
MP
prairie,
dog
management
framework
and
practices
on
local
regulations
that
affect
how
we
manage
prairie
dogs
and
also
the
current
situation
of
prairie
dogs
on
agricultural
lands.
There
are
opportunities
for
clarifying
questions
that
extended
into
a
poster
session
which
followed
the
staff
presentation
and
a
group
Q&A
session.
Q
Several
questions
focused
on
a
specific
prairie
dog
and
irrigated
land
management
practices,
but
also
there
were
a
few
questions
around
gaining
a
better
understanding
about
how
the
city
measures
relative
value,
importance
and
priority
of
prairie
dogs
and
irrigated
agriculture.
Agricultural
land
asked
what
considerations
that
staff
may
have
missed.
The
most
common
response
among
participants
at
the
community
meeting
was
a
desire
for
a
greater
focus
on
the
effects
of
management
goals
on
neighboring
property
owners.
Q
Participants
shared
many
ideas
about
how
they
would
improve
the
situation.
Common
themes
were
more
aggressive
on
the
ground
management,
specifically
for
OS
NP,
to
use
or
allow
lethal
control.
Other
suggested
suggestions
included,
continuing
relocations
and
practices
like
contraceptives,
changes
to
agricultural
management
objectives
and
the
introduction
of
black
footed
ferrets.
Some
participants
suggested
policy
changes
such
as
amendments
to
the
Wildlife,
Protection
ordinance
or
changes
to
aspects
of
the
grassland
ecosystem
management
plan.
The
community
meeting
about
half
of
the
room
participated
in
a
values
exercise
that
identified
what
is
most
important
to
them.
Q
All
of
the
meeting
information
was
put
online
on
the
OS
MP
project
website,
with
a
link
to
the
be
heard,
Boulder
active
projects
website,
which
is
be
be
heard.
Boulder
org
online
responses
that
we've
received
on
that
site
have
been
similar
with
regards
to
the
integration
of
lethal
control
into
a
broad
range
of
other
practices.
Q
In
addition,
there
have
been
a
number
of
suggestions
to
stop
leasing
land
for
agricultural
production
as
a
way
to
avoid
lethal
control,
so
we're
seeing
a
range
of
feedback
on
the
online.
As
of
this
morning,
132
people
have
participated
in
an
online
version
of
the
values
exercise
and
the
top
three
values
that
we're
hearing
back
so
far
are
farming
and
ranching
on
OS
MP
lands,
ability
of
grassland
plants
and
soil
and
capturing
carbon
and
animals
animals
dependent
on
prairie
dogs.
Q
However,
there
were
about
87
other
responses
and
we
haven't
had
a
chance
to
go
through
those
yet
and
kind
of
parse
out
what
what
the
other
ideas
that
the
online
participants
have
had.
This
first
engagement
window
closes
tonight
at
midnight,
so
anybody
seeing
this
has
a
chance
still
to
weigh
in
before
before
we
bring
that
information
all
together
and
digest
it.
Q
The
purpose
of
all
this
engagement
was
to
provide
staff
with
a
benefit
of
community
members
ideas,
as
it
moved
into
developing,
evaluating
and
putting
together
preliminary
options
to
address
the
problem
as
expressed
by
you
and
council.
These
initial
thoughts
on
options
will
be
shared
with
us
BT
and
the
public
at
the
January
8th,
OS
BT
meeting.
When
a
second
window
of
engagement
will
open
staff
will
conduct
a
study
session
with
the
board
at
the
February
12th
meeting
and
bring
final
recommendations
for
consideration
to
the
March
11th
meeting.
Q
Yeah
we
did
we've
set
out
about
35
communications
on
on
this
issue
over
the
course
of
the
past
month,
including
stakeholder
emails
to
all
the
prairie-dog
working
group,
as
well
as
lessees
and
everyone
kind
of
on
our
lists.
Also
Facebook
Twitter
there
was
an
article
in
the
paper
it
was
pretty,
is
pretty
well
out
there,
so
I'm
not
sure
exactly
how
how
to
understand
the
range
of
participation
at
the
community
meeting.
Q
A
H
All
right,
our
second
matters
from
the
department
is
going
to
be
a
report
on
undesignated
trail
monitoring,
as
well
as
a
program
overview
and
with
that
all
I'm
going
to
invite
Jake
Engelmann
our
trail
research
coordinator
and
Hilary
DS.
Our
trail
stewardship
program
lead
up
to
join
us
to
lead
us
in
the
presentation.
R
Should
I
repeat
that?
Yes,
everybody,
okay,
a
little
bit
about
my
background.
My
undergraduate
degree
is
in
ecology
and
evolutionary
biology.
I
then
worked
for
the
u.s.
Forest
Service
building
wilderness
trails
then
came
to
the
city
open
space,
I'm,
built
designate
trails
here
and
while
doing
that
study
GIS
at
night
school
and
transitioned
into
a
GIS
Tech
role
and
then
into
the
trial
research
worker.
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I'm
Hillary
Dees
I
am
the
trail
stewardship
program.
Leanness
I
do
project
management
with
the
trails
group
and
then
also
I've,
been
working
on
developing
the
undesignated
trail
program.
The
last
two
years
I
come
from
an
anthropology
background,
with
a
natural
resource
focus
which
really
focused
on
how
people
interact
with
the
environment.
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So
I'll
start
by
just
explaining
what
an
undesignated
trail
is
and
what
I
mean
when
I
speak
about
undesignated
trails
on
designated
trails
are
often
referred
to
as
social
trails,
I've
heard,
user
trails,
rogue
trails,
pilot
trails,
essentially
they're,
unplanned
and
designed
trails
that
are
walked
into
our
system
and
they
can
often
be
unsustainable,
as
this
picture
shows
here,
pretty
steep
grades
and
lots
of
active
erosion.
That's
supposed
to
a
designated
trail
now,
I'll
acknowledge
not
all
of
our
doesn't
hate
trails.
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Look
like
this,
but
the
idea
of
a
designed
trail
that
can
lessen
environmental
impacts
I'm
sustainable
grades
to
make
them
warm
maintain
them
all.
It's
the
idea
there
also
when
we
say
and
designate
trails
were
referring
to
some
other
pathway
types
that
aren't
necessarily
trails.
This
is
a
picture
of
an
undesignated
road.
This
is
a
forestry
road
they're
using
that
do
40
mitigation
work
and
that
will
be
restored
after
that
work
is
done,
but
that
also
falls
into
the
category
of
this
monitoring.
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Additionally,
there
is
a
kind
of
awkward
category
of
trail
roads.
So,
as
you
can
see
from
this
picture,
this
is
a
obvious.
Both
vehicle
and
human
use
pattern
trail
a
little
bit
about
the
background
on
on
designate
realm
monitoring
in
2005,
the
visitor
master
plan
called
for
the
mapping
of
the
location
and
extent
of
indigeneity
trails
to
be
completed.
Every
five
years
surveys
were
conducted
in
2002
and
2006,
with
varying
methodology
and
I,
say
first
comparable
study.
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It
was
2011-2012
because
that
was
the
first
study
that
developed
a
protocol
that
could
reduce
interior
observer
variability
and
that's
the
same
protocol
that
I
used
in
the
most
current
around
monitoring
a
little
bit
about
the
methods
in
that
monitoring
and
as
a
trails
are
collected
as
points
each
one
of
those
points
has
a
photo
attached
to
it.
It
describes
what
kind
of
pathway
we're
looking
at
and
built
features
on.
These
any
trails
are
also
mapped.
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The
most
recent
monitoring
added
function,
the
observed
reason
for
wire
trail
exists
on
the
landscape
and
condition
class
and
I'll
get
into
that
a
little
more
now.
So
this
is
an
example
of
a
class
and
trail.
These
are
actually
defined
as
in
not
a
trail,
but
can
be
important
for
management
purposes,
as
they
are
often
recovering
or
emerging
undesignated
trails.
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R
R
164
miles
of
under
the
new
trails
and
roads
mapped
in
the
most
recent
survey.
That's
a
decrease
of
14
miles
from
the
2011-2012
survey,
but
it's
not
necessarily
as
simple
as
saying
14
miles
disappeared
from
the
system
of
the
mileage,
mapped
in
2018
45
miles
of
that
or
new,
not
mapped
in
2012
59
miles
of
that
of
the
2012
knowledge
was
not
mapped
in
2018.
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Unfortunately,
we
don't
have
a
great
system
to
explain
why
those
trails
disappeared.
Some
some
of
it
could
be
natural
revegetation.
Some
restoration
work,
the
designation
of
trails
Hillary
will
talk
later
about
some
asset
management
software
that
could
help
us
determine
the.
Why
and
why
trails
are
being
are
disappearing
from
the
system
of
the
164
miles.
118
remain
in
the
same
quarter.
That
means
they
could
have
shifted
a
couple
feets,
but
they
are
and
pretty
much
the
same
use
pattern
as
they
were
in
2012.
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It's
a
lot
of
mileage
that
has
just
stayed
in
place
and
56
percent
of
that
mileage
was
classified
in
that
condition.
Class
age.
There's
some
recreation,
ecology,
research.
That
kind
of
explains
this
impact.
It
can
happen
really
quick
with
use
and
how
they
will
kind
of
touch
on
that
later,
as
well
I'll
dive
into
some
of
the
functions
of
undesignated
trails
that
are
common.
There
are
14
types,
but
I'll
just
go
through
some
of
the
more
common
ones.
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The
most
common
trail
function.
Where
are
these
unserved
visitor
destinations?
This
is
these
are
just
points
where
the
designated
trails
serve
system
doesn't
serve,
that
expected
destination,
which
is
about
19
miles
of
these
another
common
type
that
doesn't
need
to
be
explained
as
much
is
the
shortcuts,
and
these
are
actually
trails
that
can
cause
considerable
impact
to
the
designate
trail
system
and
often
times
have
those
larger
grades
and
quicker
rates
of
erosion.
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The
final
function
I'd
like
to
touch
on
it's
not
as
common
but
there's
quite
a
bit
our
wildlife
livestock
trails.
These
are
mostly
cattle
created
trails
that
connect
to
designated
trail,
does
a
native
trail
system.
So
while
they
don't
show
signs
of
human
use,
there
I
mean
the
connect,
I
designate
trail
and
could
be
used
by
our
users,
the
most
common
type
of
undesignated
Road,
our
agricultural
roads.
There's
about
21
miles
of
those
and
I
will
say
there.
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Built
features,
as
I
said:
we're
also
mapped.
There
are
about
554
built
futures
match
on
designated
trails.
That
includes
things
like
steps
like
you
can
see
in
the
photo
obtaining
walls,
staircases
things
in
that
nature.
To
give
you
some
context
of
that
number,
that's
about
three
structures
per
mile,
so
that
they're
not
all
over
the
place
and
compared
to
over
14,000
structures
on
designated
trails.
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R
166
recorded
in
a
survey,
these
are
really
interesting.
They
occur
on
our
very
high
use
areas,
think
Sanitas
in
chocolate
areas,
so
they
meet
the
same
definitions
of
an
undesignated,
but
they
don't
have
those
defined
boundaries.
And
a
lot
of
these
are
view
points
and
things
of
that
nature
and
the
department
is
making
a
better
effort
to
manage
viewpoint
so
actively.
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For
more
of
an
analysis,
system-wide
look
at
undesignated,
here's
a
map
of
cell
density.
So
what
this
is
is
if
you
broke
our
system
into
a
grid
and
then
calculated
the
amount
of
linear
feet
of
designate
trails
in
each
grid
cell,
you
get
a
density
for
each
and
you
can
see
the
darker
the
shade
of
red,
the
higher
the
density
of
on
designate
trails.
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R
Another
way
to
look
at
on
designate
trail
density
is
a
kernel
density
tool
in
the
story
map
that
I'll
show
later
there's
a
very
useful
tool
that
can
show
change
on
the
system
quickly,
so
essentially
the
darker
the
red,
the
higher
that
undoes
any
trail
density.
So
this
is
the
Whydah
mayer
property
where
the
lines
layer
trail
was
built.
So
this
is
in
2012
the
density
of
undesignated
and
on
that
property,
and
then
this
is
in
2018,
so
by
building
that
designated
sustainable
option
for
trellis.
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R
So
you
can
see
some
change
over
time
and
this
is
kind
of
a
common
thing
to
see
with
these
trails
that
are
in
poor
condition,
if
you
can't
see
where
the
trail
is
just
start
to
wander
off,
another
metric
to
kind
of
look
at
from
a
landscape
perspective
at
understand
any
trails
and
how
they
affect
the
system.
That's
a
larger
piece
is
land
fragmentation
and
I
will
acknowledge
that
the
science
on
lag
and
land
fragmentation
is
pretty
mixed.
The
effective
trails
on
wildlife
movement
patterns
has
been
studied
and
has
various
results.
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For
this
analysis,
a
every
Trail,
Road,
undesignated
or
designated,
was
included
as
a
barrier
to
fragment
the
landscape.
So,
even
though
there's
less
mileage
mapped
in
the
most
recent
study,
the
system
is
more
fragmented
than
it
was
in
2012.
It's
it's
a
slight
decrease
in
average
patch
size
of
about
3
acres,
but
you
know
that's
also
considering
land
that
we've
acquired
in
that
time.
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But
if
you
look
at
it
from
the
perspective
of,
if
you
don't
have
any
trails,
which
is
the
pane
on
the
left,
and
you
only
consider
roads
as
barriers
to
land
fragmentation,
you
see
the
the
larger
block
sizes
on
the
map
on
the
left
in
the
middle
is,
if
you
only
consider
the
designated
trail
system
and
then
on,
the
right
is
the
undesignated.
So
you
can
see
how
fragmented
the
landscape
gets
when
you're,
considering
on
designated
trails.
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Another
interesting
find
are
signs
on
non-disney
trails.
It
didn't
really
change
from
2012.
There
were
400
60
signs
found
on
347
sign
structures.
What
that
means
is,
if
you
look
at
the
picture
to
the
right.
A
sign
structure
is
that
fence
post
and
it
has
two
signs.
One
sign
structure,
more
interestingly,
42%
of
the
signs
along
and
his
entrails
are
regulatory
in
nature.
So,
as
you
can
see
on
this
picture,
no
bikes,
no
dogs,
so
they're
regulatory
and
of
that
42%
about
half
our
regulatory
dog
signage.
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K
R
The
rules
right
and
Hillary
will
kind
of
discuss
some
signage
ideas
later,
but
yeah
it
can
confuse
visitors
to
give
some
context
of
what
460
signs
mean.
We
have
over
3,000
signs
on
our
system.
So
it's
it's
really
not
a
huge
number,
but
you
can
see
the
confusion
that
creates
I
will
go
ahead
and
plug
the
story
map.
If
you
haven't
explored
it,
I'll
show
it
now.
This
is
a
way
that
I
and
I'll
play
it
loads.
Here.
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This
is
a
report
format
that
I
kind
of
experimented
with
and
determined
that
it
really
displayed
the
spatial
nature
of
the
data.
Well,
you
can
explore
the
data
that
was
collected
and
kind
of
get
an
idea
of
what
it
means,
so
you
can
go
in
and
you
can
click
on
these
points
and
see.
You
know
a
photo
of
what
we're
talking
about
here.
So
J.
R
R
A
R
I,
just
okay
that
show
I'll
go
look
at
that
kernel
density
tool,
which
is
really
the
best
tool
to
see
change,
really
quick
on
our
system,
so
I'll
zoom
in
over
here
gun
barrel
hill
as
an
example
so
on
the
left
here
is
2012
and
then
as
I
scroll
right.
It
shows
the
change
2018.
So
that's
a
really
interesting
tool
to
play
with
backseat.
C
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S
Great
so
now
I'm
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
we're
doing
with
all
that
really
awesome
information
that
Jake's
made
a
hundred
miles
collecting
and
how
we're
gonna
consolidate
it
and
condense
it
and
move
forward
with
that
information.
I
want
to
talk
just
briefly
about
the
background
of
the
unders
neutral
program
and
put
some
context
to
it.
Give
a
brief
program
overview.
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And
this
is
really
a
continuation
in
a
collection
of
all
those
efforts
and
then
trying
to
move
forward
in
a
interdisciplinary
in
a
holistic
way,
so
that
we
can
prioritize
across
all
of
our
department
objectives
and
goals
in
order
to
make
sure
that
we're
meeting
as
many
of
them
as
we
can
any
one
time
and
then
also
most
recently,
it
was
a
tier
2,
ecosystem,
health
and
resiliency
strategy
and
the
master
plan
and
I
think
that's
fiscally.
We
said
to
reduce
on
designated
trails
and
sensitive
areas.
S
Some
people
might
ask:
why
is
a
focus
you're
allowed
to
go
off
trail
in
most
places?
Is
it
really
that
big
of
an
issue
and
is
every
single
Land
Management
Agency-
has
to
grapple
with
undoes
in
a
trails
across
the
world?
So
it's
not
a
unique
problem.
You
know
well,
there's
very
unique
in
lots
of
ways
and
there's
new
trails:
I'm
not
unique
to
Boulder.
S
We
are
experiencing
a
lot
of
increase
in
visitation.
So
from
the
2004
visitor
use
survey
to
the
2017,
there
was
a
34%
increase.
We
have
six
point
three
million
visits
a
year.
That's
a
lot
of
visits
for
any
system.
I.
Think
a
common
misconception
is
that
as
you
increase
the
youth,
so
you
automatically
increase
the
impact
and
it's
a
one-to-one
ratio
more
youths,
more
impact.
That's
not
true!
A
lot
of
the
recreation
ecology.
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Research
shows
that
a
lot
of
the
impact
happens
very
quickly,
not
necessarily
through
a
lot
of
use,
and
then
it
kind
of
tapers
off
until
you
and
that's
moving
from
the
class
in
trails
all
the
ways
through
class
H
trails-
maybe
it
stabilizes,
and
then
you
get
a
huge
increase
in
visitation
and
then
the
use
impact
increases
again.
So
this
is
really
important,
especially
we're
talking
about
how
do
we
manage
trails
that
are
emerging
on
the
system
in
reacting
in
real
time
to
those
emergent
trails?
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S
42%
of
the
respondents
in
that
survey
didn't
realize
that
undesignated
trails
or
something
called
a
nun
dozen,
a
trail
or
social
trail
on
I,
was
in
LAN,
which
was
interesting
and
the
other
I
think
more
important
piece
is
that
nearly
fifty
percent
of
the
visitors
who
were
observed,
while
traveling
on
an
undesignated
trail,
also
were
surveyed
saying
that
they
only
traveled
on
designated
trails.
So
the
author's
summarized
that
came
to
the
conclusion
that
those
folks
just
didn't
know
that
they
were
on
an
undesignated
trail.
S
S
So
that's
kind
of
the
overview,
hopefully
some
context,
sorry,
the
background
in
some
context,
the
overview
we
separated
out
as
a
core
team,
a
bunch
of
different
areas
that
we
thought
needed
additional
attention.
A
lot
of
that
came
from
Jake's
data
and
then
a
lot
of
it
just
came
from
subject
matter
experts
really
knowing
how
they
interact
with
like
how
their
expertise
interacts
with
the
land
we
needed
to
be
able
to
make
it
manageable.
This
is
a
complex
and
occasionally
daunting
task.
S
Do
you
think
about
how
to
manage-
and
we
also
wanted
to
play
to
everybody's
strengths-
that
is,
is
that
the
department
so
making
it
manageable?
These
are
all
the
different
little
ways
that
we
decided
that
we
needed
to
break
things
out,
and
this
seems
much
more
manageable
than
just
saying.
Let's
deal
with
undesignated
trails,
but
it's
still
a
little
overwhelming.
So
what
we
did
as
a
core
team
was
we
created
a
visual
aid
to
help
really
wrap
our
mind
around
and
communicate
what
our
goals
and
objectives
and
breaking
out
in
the
little
pieces?
S
What
that
could
look
like?
So
this
is
just
a
visual
tool:
it's
not
a
decision-making
tool
or
anything
like
that,
but
we
did
find
some
four
areas.
We
could
coalesce
our
ideas
around
the
area
in
the
green,
that's
on
the
right
of
the
screen,
so
those
are
the
areas
where
undos
new
trails
are
in
are
in
an
area
that
have
had
a
planning
process.
S
That's
happened
and
they're,
given
a
management
action,
so
any
store
or
retain,
and
then
I'll
put
a
little
asterisk
next
to
the
new
recommendation
and
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that,
and
then
we
recognize
that
there
are
areas
where
we
haven't
had
a
planning
process,
so
the
east
area
has
no
planning
process.
So
we
don't
have
any
management,
recommendations
or
actions
where,
under
the
new
trails
in
those
areas,
as
well
as
other
areas
that
we
may
acquire
like
Shanahan,
that
would
also
fit
in
that
category
and
then
they
yell
at
the
bottom.
S
Those
are
tools
or
techniques
or
policies
the
OSP
has
or
can
have
that
will
help
support
the
structure
of
this
program
and
give
it
some
heft.
And
then
the
gray
are
all
the
different
types
of
trails
that
Jake
Maps,
mostly
the
function
of
the
trails
and
really
trying
to
get
why
they
were
created.
So
we
can
really
address
them.
The
best
way.
L
S
I
have
done
the
exercise
and
some
of
them
some
of
them
are
actually
Donna
here
are
like,
for
instance,
on
the
in
the
gray
on
the
left.
Roads
is
about
40,
miles,
40
or
50
miles
and
then
I'm
trying
to
think
climbing
access
is
much
much
much
smaller.
So
it
kind
of
made
it
hard
to
read
so
there's
not
any
correlation,
but
I
can
get
that
for
you
if
you'd
like,
and
it's.
S
K
S
S
So
first
I'd
like
to
little
talk
a
little
bit
about.
How
does
the
trail
become
a
designated
trail
if
it
started
off
as
a
nun
doesn't
need
a
trail.
There
are
13
miles
of
currently
and
doesn't
need
a
trail
that
is
to
be
designated.
So
it
goes
through
public
engagement,
public
planning
process
once
it
gets
on
the
work
plan,
it
goes
into
a
design
phase.
S
That's
where
our
trail
staff
will
go
out
start
getting
boots
on
the
ground,
hiking
looking
at
alignments
working
closely
with
resource
staff
to
make
sure
that
we're
taking
in
their
concerns
permitting.
That
would
happen
or
start
to
happen
in
this
phase
at
least,
and
this
can
take
multiple
years
depending
on
workloads
resources
available
once
all
that
is
approved,
the
resource
staff,
and
we
make
sure
that
everybody's
happy
we'll
start
construction.
That
can
also
take
multiple
years
depending
on
the
complexity
of
the
project
itself.
S
If
it's
machine
Bill,
if
it's
hand
Bill
how
many
crews
we
have
for
how
long
and
usually,
in
conjunction
with
the
construction,
we're
restoring
both
our
impacts
as
we're
constructing
the
trail,
but
also
through
sustainable
trail
design.
We
often
have
to
move
that
undoes
any
trail
corridor
out,
give
it
gentle
air
grades.
Usually
sometimes
you
have
to
move
it
around
for
resource
concerns,
something
we
often
have
to
restore
the
previous
use
pattern,
which
is
the
undesignated
trail
like
that
footprint.
S
S
That's
from
plan
to
implementation.
How
an
under
the
new
trail
becomes
a
designated
trail
for
restoring
undesignated
trails.
We
have
27
miles,
I
broke
out
approximately,
where
those
miles
are
at
in
relation
to
the
Management
Area
designations.
They
fall
into
so
the
largest
categories,
natural
areas,
the
Incarnate
and
then
some
agricultural
area,
it's
actually
a
tenth
of
a
mile,
so
very
small
amount
and
then
HCA's
and
passive
rec
make
up
the
last
couple
miles
of
that.
S
This
is
a
little
bit
more
straightforward.
We
go
right
to
the
restore
the
other
flowchart
straight
to
that
and
then
make
sure
we
monitor
that
for
whether
or
not
that
restoration
treatment
held
one
of
the
other
pieces
of
that
wheel.
That
was
on
the
yellow
part.
Was
we
really
wanted
to
standardize
what
our
restoration
treatments
are
and
match
them
to?
S
So
matching
our
response
to
the
behavior
makes
a
lot
of
sense
so
for
those
unintentional
behaviors,
those
forty
two
percent
of
people
who
didn't
know
that
there
are
undoes
innate
trails
or
thought
that
they
were
on
the
designated
trail
most
effective
is
education
and
outreach,
small
signs
and
then
visually
obscuring
the
pathway.
We
don't
want
them
to
take
so
very
light
handed
interpersonal.
S
If
that
doesn't
work,
then
we
can
start
adding
fences.
Some
larger
signs,
some
more
information
we
may
import
materials
such
as
erosion,
netting
or
larger
rocks
from
nearby
to
help
do
my
active
restoration
that
still
doesn't
work,
then
it's
more
of
the
same
of
that
either
extending
the
fence
length
or
maybe
adding
multiple
layers
of
fence
to
really
help
those
opportunistic
folks.
S
The
last
management
action
that
you
can
have
on
an
undesignated
trails
retain
this
is
less
than
three
miles
of
trails,
so
very
small
portion.
Typically,
this
is
non
visitor
infrastructure,
some
operations,
roads
and
then
also
some
specific
access
for
user
groups.
There's
a
climbing
access
in
Skunk
Canyon
that
is
technically
retain
an
undesignated
trail
and
really
in
terms
of
managing
them,
we're
not
restoring
them
and
we're
not
designating
and
they're
just
kind
of
in
this
liminal
space.
We
just
know
that
they're
there
and
finally,
the
last
trick
I
spoke
about
earlier-
is
no
recommendation.
S
This
is
actually
huge
mileage,
so
I'm
today's
point,
if
that
triangle
or
the
circle
was
statistically
like
you
know
the
right
size,
this
would
be
a
huge
chunk
of
that
area.
It's
a
hundred
over
120
miles
64
of
those
miles
that
have
no
recommendation
are
in
areas
that
have
already
had
a
public
planning
process,
but
those
trails
have
emerged
since
that
plane
happened
and
therefore
have
no
management
recommendation.
S
Would
like
to
just
zoom
over
to
the
structural
components,
I'm
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
asset
management
software
that
we've
are
employing
for
the
undesignated
trail.
Part
of
this.
We
are
using
it
to
prescribe
prioritize
and
track
the
work
that
we've
done,
we're
using
it
to
look
at
trends
and
how
successful
or
not
successful
certain
restoration
treatments
are
in
certain
areas
and
then
I
think.
Well,
maybe
one
of
the
coolest
things
about
this
is
we'll
be
able
to
set
up
reminders
to
go
back
and
look
at
things.
S
So
even
as
staff
changes
as
there's
turnover
as
priority
shift,
we'll
be
able
to
have
a
record
of
what
went
in
where
and
when
and
then
remind
somebody.
You
know
in
two
years
go
check
on
that
fins
and
see
if
it's
still
up
or
if
it
needs
to
be
removed
or
go
grab
that
sign,
and
hopefully
that
will
cut
down
on
some
of
these
restoration
treatments
that
the
new
fall.
That
anybody's
just
kind
of
get
forgotten
out
in
the
field
and
just
look.
S
This
is
just
a
quick
screenshot
of
beehive
is
the
name
of
the
software.
So
this
is
the
sage
Eagle
area,
bbr.
Sorry,
where
is
it
sage,
Eagle,
okay,
so
there's
two
to
kind
of
parallel:
undesignated
trails
ones
to
be
restored
and
wants
to
be
designated.
So
with
this
program
we
will
be
able
to
do
is
mark.
S
So
the
visitor
safety
experience
I've
been
sitting
out.
The
Ranger
group
and
they've
been
really
awesome
forthcoming
with
their
areas
of
they
think
are
hotspots
areas
where
they
see
a
lot
of
people
lost
or
lots
of
injuries
or
just
areas
that
aren't
offering
the
kind
of
experience
that
we
want
to
be
able
to
offer
on
our
designated
trail
system
and
so
collecting.
That
information
is
super
useful
and
then
also
other
staff
input
and
public
input
CRMs.
S
S
How
do
we
prioritize
within
their
frameworks
what
their,
what
they
would
like
to
see
done
when
excuse
me
and
then
balancing
that
with
where
we're
already
doing
other
work,
so
one
of
the
saddlerock
Jake
showed
how
it
has
gotten
significantly
worse,
we're
piloting
something
there
where
we're
going
to
put
out
restoration,
put
out
signs
and
2019
and
2020
so
the
end
of
this
year
and
the
next
year
I
talk
about
the
trail
project.
That's
happening
in
a
couple
years.
Talk
about
why
we're
restoring
and
talking
about
signing
I'm
actually
signing
on.
S
Does
any
trails,
letting
folks
know
that
they're
leaving
the
designated
trail
system
and
then
seeing
if
we
can
just
stack
that
work
year
after
year
and
try
and
really
change
these
patterns
I'm
effectively
and
then
in-car
we're
also
working
with
WRB,
which
is
a
volunteer
group
to
do
some
restoration
in
that
area
and
then
the
last
two
years
we've
done
cross
training
opportunities
between
our
restoration
crew
and
our
trail
crew.
To
let
them
know
the
kind
of
work
we
do
and
then
they
help
us
with
the
restoration
and
teaching
our
crews.
S
S
Some
of
the
challenges
that
we
see
I
mentioned
earlier,
we
have,
we
do
have
increasing
visitation
I,
don't
foresee
that
slowing
down
anytime
soon
there
has
been
some
concerns
from
different
user
groups
about
a
loss
of
access
and
how
closing
and
restoring
and
designate
trails
might
affect
their
access.
I
think
we
have
a
somewhat
unique
challenge
here,
where
we
have
visitor
travel
and
they
can.
Visitors
can
typically
travel
where
they
like,
and
that
is
obviously
challenging
for
managing
on
designated
trails,
especially
when
you
think
about
how
quickly
they
can
impact
the
area
revisiting
travel
patterns.
S
So
one
of
the
tenants
of
Leave
No
Trace
is
dispersed,
travel
first
to
concentrated
and
figuring
out,
which
way
is
the
best
to
get
folks
where
they
want
to
go
with
the
least
impact.
Some
areas
where
dispersed
travel
might
have
been
appropriate.
10
15
20
years
ago
may
no
longer
be
the
appropriate
way
that
we
want
to
get
folks
to
and
from
where
they
are
trying
to
get
in
our
system
and
so
revisiting.
S
We
can't
because
we
have
lots
of
other
projects,
we're
all
trying
to
juggle
as
well
moving
forward.
In
2020,
we
have
ten
weeks
of
youth
core
I'm,
eight
to
10
weeks
of
youth
cores
high
school-age
students
that
will
be
working
all
summer
doing
trail,
restoration
on
undesignated
trails.
I
will
be
very
interested
to
see
how
all
they
do.
S
Saddlerock
I
already
mentioned,
we're
working
on
a
multi-year
plan
to
try
and
slowly
establish
the
use
patterns
we
want
to
see
in
doing
it
in
conjunction
with
trail
work
on
the
designated
trail.
The
data
cleanup
Jake
alluded
to
that
making
sure
that
if
it's
a
road
and
we
want
to
manage
it
as
a
road,
then
it
is
a
road
and
it's
not
an
undesignated
trail.
S
So,
looking
at
some
taking
a
good
look
at
some
of
our
numbers
and
the
monitoring
methods
to
make
sure
that
that
is
cleaned
up
as
best
we
can
and
really
just
taking
that
wheel
of
action,
we've
been
calling
it
and
running
out
each
of
those
points
to
their
logical
end
and
getting
as
much
information
as
we
can
building
coalitions.
You
know
coming
up
with
standard
operating
procedures,
I'm
coming
to
agreement
on
some,
sometimes
thorny
issues
with
how
we
want
to
manage
these
trails.
A
Thank
you
both
for
the
huge
amount
of
work
that
went
into
pulling
all
of
that
together
and
for
the
packet
and
for
the
you
know
the
helpful
presentation,
I
guess
my
inclination
at
least
initially
I,
don't
know
how
long
this
is
like
or
how
deep
this
dive
is.
Gonna
go.
I
might
just
start
by
saying
it
might
make
sense
to
structure
this
a
little
bit
by
saying.
If
you
have
questions
for
Jake,
which
are
probably
not
in
the
nature
of
sort
of
actions,
but
are
just
a
better
understanding,
the
raw
material.
A
O
Comment
is
just
to
encourage
everyone
that
has
an
interest
in
open
space
or
trails
or
anything
related
to
go
to
that
link.
That's
on
the
first
page
of
this
and
go
through
some
of
the
stuff
they've
shown,
because
it's
it's
just
packed
with
information
and
analysis
that
is
quite
eye-opening
and
it
was
I'm
sure
a
huge
effort
to
create
the
database
and
the
interfaces
and
everything
else.
But
it's
a
wonderful
tool
and
I
would
just
encourage
people
to
go
see
it.
So
that's
my
question
for
Jake.
A
I,
like
the
fact
that
we
are
sort
of
continuing
and
accentuating
the
terminology
that
we're
using
here
and
moving
away
from
the
notion
of
sort
of
social
trails
which
I
think
for
a
long
time,
was
sort
of
the
standard
vernacular
and
the
problem
was
it
was
too
broad
and
it
was
cap.
You
know
if
you
said
social
trail,
people
all
had
this
sort
of
image
of
often
like
a
shortcut
on
a
switchback
or
something
that
almost
everyone
would
agree.
A
You
know
probably
doesn't
serve
a
particularly
useful
purpose,
but,
as
you've
shown,
that's
really
a
much
more
multifaceted
issue
and
I
think
the
conversation
and
the
process
of
making
decisions
about
it
is
way
better
when
you've
kind
of
broken
it
out.
Thinking
about
you
know
roads
and
various
destinations
that
are
understanding
the
underlying
you
know
sort
of
why
this
trail
is
there.
What
bucket
put
it
in
so
I
certainly
commend
the
approach.
K
J
K
K
S
That's
that's
ultimately,
one
goal,
I
think
another
thing
is
looking
at
whether
or
not
like
Cal
trails
always
comes
to
mind.
Like
are
those
trails
actually
being
used
by
people?
Can
we
examine
methodology?
What
about
these
roads
that
were
actually
actively
using
for
operations,
or
at
least
Caeser
using?
Do
those
really
need
to
be
in
this
inventory?
Do
they
belong
in
this
inventory?
So
that
would
also?
Hopefully,
you
start
picking
away
at
some
of
that,
but
we
would
like
to
get
better
at
restoring
and
designating
some
of
our
trails
as
well.
Well,.
K
Because,
ultimately,
as
I
understand
it,
the
the
natural
resource
implications
for
eliminating
undesignated
trails
is
the
pot
of
gold.
At
the
end
of
this
effort,
right
I
mean
I,
didn't
see
that
anywhere
on
your
list
of
challenges,
your
slide
with
challenges,
it's
all
about
trails,
but
yes,
I've
read
the
packet.
K
S
I
will
say:
I
probably
have
a
little
bit
of
a
bent
towards
the
trail
side,
so
that
is
the
department
I
come
from
I
think
it's
also
important
to
recognize
that
it's
a
people
I
see
it
as
a
people
management
issue,
the
people
who
are
making
the
undesignated.
We
need
to
manage
some
degree
that
travel
in
order.
You
have
a
end
goal
of
having
the
resource,
making
the
resources
better
and
addressing
those
concerns
that
answer
your
question.
R
L
So,
just
let
me
follow
up
on
that
Jake.
So
from
my
reading
it
looks
like
from
your
work.
They
were
above
50%
of
the
undesignated
trails,
we're
really
in
in
what
we
call
sensitive
or
you
know,
high-value
ecological
areas,
so
I
think
that's
really
important
to
know
it's
like
those
areas
are
receiving
a
fair
amount
of
use.
L
But
my
question
then
comes
back
to
the
report.
Hilary
you
presented
in
that
it
looks
like
I'm
just
looking
at
HCA's,
as
presumably
one
of
those
you
know,
sensitive
areas
and
in
the
restoration
component
of
26
miles
or
whatever
for
HCA's
is
like
2
miles,
and
so
my
question
is
follows
up
on
currencies
that
are
in
prioritizing.
S
And
so
it's
such
a
small
piece
of
the
puzzle
that
I
I
worry
about
getting
nearsighted
and
only
looking
at
that
as
an
as
a
way
to
prioritize,
instead
of
reaching
out
to
the
ecological
staff
and
our
resource
staff
and
coming
up
with
some
bigger,
broader
goals
that
they're
you
they're,
feeding
us
or
like,
while
I'm
making
the
same
prioritization
in
order
to
get
after
some
of
those
that
might
not
be
in
HCA's
but
are
also
ecologically
sensitive
but
they're
in
a
passive
area.
So
that
would
then
rise.
That's.
L
Where
I'm
going,
though,
with
this
so
you're
looking
at
the
management
areas,
is
kind
of
the
framework
for
the
analysis
or
the
decision-making,
why
aren't
maybe
I
missed
it,
but
why
aren't
we
looking
at?
You
know
those
ecologically
important
areas
or
the
sensitive
areas
as
far
as
the
framework
for
the
decision-making
as
well,
so
that
we
can
compare
one
could
compare
okay.
These
are
kind
of
what's
happening
in
the
relative
management
areas,
but
you
know
in
our
high
high
quality
ecosystem
areas.
L
S
Absolutely
we
are
taking
all
of
that
to
account
I
just
thought.
It
would
be
a
fun
exercise
to
break
up
where
this
26
miles
are
located
across
the
existing
Management
Area
designations,
that
we
have
that's
not
an
end-all,
be-all
and
we're
not
necessarily
prioritizing
only
based
on
that.
We
are
taking
all
this
other
input
from
all
the
other
staff
in
order
to
try
and
prioritize
that,
regardless
of
what
management
area
they
actually
are
in
right,
and
then
also
you
know
if
it's
adjacent
to
trail
work
that
we're
already
doing
like.
S
K
J
O
Then
that's
the
part
that
I
get
vague
on
I
mean
it
seems
to
me,
there's
a
certain
subsection
here
that
exists
within
TSA
and
there's
guidance.
We
decided
to
a
planning
process,
we're
gonna,
try
to
close
these
or
in
general,
this
amount.
I,
don't
know
if
you
need
more
planning
superstructure
to
give
you
cover
for
doing
things
outside
of
T
essays
I
mean
the
thing
I
keep
coming
back
to
his
gun
barrel,
where
we
met
with
the
communities.
O
What's
your
anticipation
for
how
you
would
proceed
on
closing
on
designated
trails,
because
I
have
a
feeling
that
at
some
point,
you're
gonna
be
sort
of
out
there
by
yourselves
and
if
you
have
to
explain
to
a
public,
why
we're
closing
this
one
you're,
not
gonna,
be
able
to
point
something
simple,
you're
gonna
have
to
say:
well,
we
look
at
a
12
factor
equation
and
which
could
be
exactly
the
right
thing
to
do.
It's
just
not
embedded
within
something
we
can
all
point
to
and
say:
yeah
we
agreed
that
was
the
best
process.
O
A
Suggestion
on
sort
of
process
and
I
heard
that
you
know
a
fair
amount
of
this
I
think
you
already
have
sufficient
guidance
either
from
prior
TSA
plans
or
from
just
general
understandings
that
we've
reached
about
you
know
what
are
our
priorities
and
what's
worth
retaining
and
what
should
be
pertains
the
wrong
word.
What
should
be
you
know
formally
designated
etc?
A
Is
there's
probably
a
relatively
small
category,
where
you
don't
need
any
full-blown
public
process,
a
lot
gun
barrel,
hill
or
Gebhard,
but
it's
not
just
sort
of
a
little.
Nothing
that
you're
unlikely
to
get
any
pushback
on
and
I
would
recommend
the
same
process
that
we
used
relatively
recently,
where
a
trail
that
we've
agreed
should
be
built.
But
staff
determines
that
gee.
The
actual
alignment
is
going
to
differ
somewhat
substantially
from
the
conceptual
alignment
in
a
TSA
and
what
we've
said
and
what
you've
been
doing
is
saying.
A
You
know
why
don't
we
just
include
it
in
a
packet
saying:
hey,
you
know
what
we
did
was
you
know,
there's
some
hypothetical
trail
and
it's
going
to
differ
in
a
meaningful
way.
We
don't
need
a
full-blown
process,
but
let's
alert
the
board
to
it,
which
serves
the
function
of
also
alerting
the
public,
and
if
there's
some
pushback
all
right
well,
then
we
can
decide.
Do
we
need
to
dive
into
this
further
and
I
would
say.
The
same
is
probably
true
here
that
there
were
going
to
be
a
few
examples
and
I'm
betting.
A
A
This
would
be
rare,
but
I
can
think
of
a
few
where
the
trail
may
have
a
sufficient
constituency
behind
it
that,
rather
than
just
show
up
one
day
and
see
a
crew,
not
a
bad
idea,
a
few
months
ahead
of
time
to
just
put
a
sign
that
says
this
trail.
This
undesignated
trail
is
slated
for
a
closure
for
further
information,
see
such-and-such,
and
if
people
are
upset
about
that
there's
you
know
they
can
reach
out
and
we
can
then
address
it
more
formally.
A
O
O
We
have
a
lot
of
evaluation
factors
that
can
be
applied
to
individual
pieces
of
trails,
but
I
think
all
of
us
would
probably
agree
that
it
makes
sense
when
you're
starting
to
do
that
to
look
at
the
local
system,
because
you're
really
talking
about
reroute
and
use
and
trying
to
figure
out
well,
how
are
people
that
used
to
do
this?
How
were
they
gonna
do
and
I
I
keep
coming
back
to
Gunbarrel?
O
That
process
looked
at
that
whole
setting,
and
so
I
tried
to
figure
out
what
was
the
ecology
of
use
and
then
what
alternatives
could
work
within
that?
So
I
don't
know
if
that's
how
you're
thinking
you're
gonna
attack.
This
issue
is
to
look
at
an
area
and
have
sort
of
an
area
plan.
If
you
will
I
think
it
is
easier
to
explain
to
local
citizens
if
you
can
show
them
sort
of
your
area
plan
rather
than
just
they
go
to
their
favorite
trail
is
closed
and
they
wonder
well
what
do
I
do
now?
K
This
looks
like
somebody's
trying
to
close
this,
so
where
the
hell's,
the
trail
and
I,
walked
back
and
forth
and
around,
and
the
trail
was
a
considerable
distance
back
with
no
sign
on
it
to
direct
you
to
that
trail,
as
opposed
to
the
trail
that
had
webbing
on
it.
That
was
obviously
some
former
version
of
a
trail.
So
if,
if
the
signage
is
not
good,
you're,
just
asking
people
to
wander
around
on
the
land
and
so
I
think
real
attention
needs
to
be
made
to
signage
both.
K
S
In
signs
was
one
of
the
areas
and
the
structural
component
that
we
identified
as
something
that
does
need
more
attention.
It
needs
a
bigger
team
of
people
with
more
expertise.
Rangers
will
need
to
be
brought
in
because
I
have
no
idea
what
their
regulate
regulatory
needs
are
for
assigning
areas,
but
it
has
been
identified
as
an
area
both
for
being
more
it's
too
late,
I'm
losing
my
words
more
concise
with
our
signage
and
more
consistent
with
how
we're
signing
things
an.
S
B
Leads
me
to
a
comment:
I
wanted
to
make
I
thought
your
presentation
about
sort
of
viewing
areas
and
these
these
areas
that
aren't
really
trails
but
are
kind
being
highly
impacted.
One
all
point
to
would
be
on
the
backside
of
some
of
the
Flatirons
I'm,
a
rock
climber
and
I
think
the
management
process
in
steep
terrain
is
a
really
challenging
beast,
because
you're
directly
dealing
with
people
making
decisions
about
their
own
suffering
and
shortcutting,
etc.
B
What
I
encourage
is
I
really
do
think
we're
gonna
need
to
be
very
innovative
and
innovative
I
think
we
should
be
reaching
out
to
the
recreation
groups
that
have
interest
they're
dealing
with
similar
issues
all
around
the
country
to
consider
what
might
be
some
good
resolutions.
I,
don't
know
if
that
includes
quasi
permanent,
carrying
there's
many
things
we
have
to
think
about
and
explore
over
signing.
B
L
I've
got
a
couple
of
questions
all
right,
so
in
reading
the
reporter,
which
I
thought
was
very
good,
wasn't
clear
to
me
that
the
2017-2018
study
information
was
actually
a
source
information
source
for
you
report,
because
you
didn't
cite
it
anywhere.
You
cited
a
bunch
of
plans
and
everything,
but
did
you
use
jigs?
L
J
S
Didn't
want
to
pull
I
knew
I
had
seen
Jake's
report
I
knew
that
would
be
attached,
so
I
didn't
want
to
duplicate
efforts
in
any
way.
The
way
that
his
report
and
monitoring
really
filtered
in
was
by
him
assigning
a
function
to
the
trails
that
really
allowed
us
to
pick
apart
and
tease
out
areas
and
there's
spreadsheets
upon
spreadsheets.
That
I
could
show
you
later
about
what
we've
done
with
Jake's
data,
and
this
is
the
report
is
more.
How
how
are
we
going
to
communicate
this?
How
do
we
ask
for
help?
L
This,
if
I
may
make
us
suggestion,
I
think
that
you
ought
to
acknowledge
his
work
upfront
and
very
prominently,
because
it
was
good
work
and
I
think.
Certainly,
we've
been
talking
about
it
as
far
as
information
you
know
for
the
public
to
consider
and
that
it
should
definitely
be
acknowledged
in
this.
The
other
thing
I
was
asked
on
restoration
treatments.
You
used
some
language
that
I
have
no
idea.
I.
S
I'm
trying
to
think
of
the
source
of
that
that
was
a
diagraph
ik
is
based
on
a
response
to
regulations
and
like
the
restaurant
industry
and
so
there's
a
model
where
you
restaurant
industry
correct.
Were
you
escalate
the
responses
of
non-action
to
certain
like
fines
or
violations
until
it
becomes
too
unbearable
to
actually
continue
down
the
path
that
you're
on
so
we're
trying
to
go
in,
with
the
lightest
hand
that
we
can
to
get
the
successful
restoration?
S
L
S
L
Have
a
comment
I
want
to
make
as
well
to
both
of
you.
This
really
warms
my
heart
considerably.
It's
an
excellent
job
on
on
both
of
your
parts
and
I
think
it's
kind
of
a
culmination
and
the
evolution
of
the
departments
dealing
with
trails
and
visitor
youths.
If
you
look
25
years
ago,
which
some
of
us
still
can
do
where
we
started
is
almost
you
know,
embarrassingly
distant
from
where
we
are
now,
and
especially
with
you
know
the
data
that
we
now
have
that
we
can
base
you
know
good
analyses
and
good
decisions
on
it.
A
Is
sort
of
a
very
open-ended
general
question,
but
at
times
when
you
read
this
and
you
look
at
maintenance
issues
honestly,
it
feels
almost
well
daunting
at
best
and
overwhelming
at
worst
like
wow.
This
is
an
enormous
amount
of
work
and
so
from
in
terms
of
the
financial
and
human
resources
that
you
have,
and
this
is
to
sort
of
follow-up,
Karen's
question
about
the
sort
of
rate
at
which
we
can
knock
down
the
size
of
this
problem,
not
to
put
precise
numbers
on
it.
A
O
The
overlay
I
would
add
on
that
is
I
won't
worry
too
much
about
giving
you
folks
cover.
If
you
feel
like
the
next
ten
years
of
work
are
things
that
are
already
designated
in
the
TSA
s,
then
there's
really
no
need
to
worry
about.
You
know
what
support
we
need
to
give
you.
What's
your
sense,
I
mean?
Are
you
already
working
outside
of
TSA
yeah?
No.
J
S
Are
obviously
on
the
ground?
Decisions
have
to
be
made
for
safety
reasons
or
something
else
that
may
affect
undesignated
trails,
but
we
do
have
our
work
cut
out
between
26
miles.
I
need
to
be
restore
the
13
that
need
to
be
designated
when
you
think
about
the
restoration
can
take
multiple
years,
yeah,
lots
and
lots
of
years.
Sometimes
in
order
to
work,
it
means
going
back.
It's
a
slow
process.
S
O
K
Got
it,
we've
got
to
do
something
about
the
increase
of
40
some
miles
of
new
undesignated
trails
every
so
many
years.
If
we
don't
do
that,
we're
never
gonna
really
be
making
headway
on
this
problem,
and
that
leads
me
to
two
other
things
that
I
am
just
curious
to
know
whether
you've
even
discussed
your
deliberations
so
far,
because
my
my
sense
is
that
what
you've
been
doing
to
this
point
is
trying
to
figure
out
what
the
problem
is
and
how
to
tackle
it
right,
as
opposed
to
on
the
ground
actually
doing
it.
K
There
are
two
things
that
you
mentioned.
That
I
know
are
three
things
that
I
know
are
keys
to
the
whole
thing,
because
in
talking
to
users
out
on
the
land,
I
keep
talking
to
people
who
who
are
with
dogs,
on
no
dog
trails
or
on
trails
that
are
undesignated
trails,
and
they
give
me
answers
that
you
allude
to
on
page
66,
which
is
oh
well,
it's
on
social
media
or
it's
in
a
guidebook.
It
says
this
is
the.
J
K
Place
to
bring
dogs,
it
has
no
bearing
on
what
osm
he
has
decided,
but
somebody
else
has
decided
and
those
people
are
taking
it.
As
the
word,
that's
what's
really
official
and
it's
not
so
that's
one
thing
is:
have
you
any
clue
about
how
to
deal
with
that?
Another
thing:
is
you
allude
to
the
one
of
the
sources
of
how
to
bring
attention
to
emerging.
Undesignated
trails
is
to
use
the
public.
K
Well,
there
are
millions
of
people
out
there
on
the
land
all
the
time
and
no
matter
how
many
staff
we
employ
we're
gonna
have
millions
more
feet
and
eyes
on
the
trails.
Then
staff
will
ever
produce.
Have
you
talked
about
how
to
utilize
that
resource
in
bringing
attention
to
emerging
undesignated
trails?
K
If
we're
going
to
address
the
question
of
how
we
avoid
getting
new
on
designated
trails
and
the
third
component
of
it
that
you
point
to
in
your
report
clearly
is
what
the
education
and
outreach
team
should
be
doing
and
how
they
should
be
contributing
to
this
stopping
new
undesignated
trails.
So
those
are
the
three
prongs
that
I
think
have
to
do
with
how
we
prevent
so
many
miles
of
new
undesignated
trails.
Every
year,
I'd
be
curious
to
know
whether
you've
had
any
discussions
about
any
of
those
or
have
thought
more
about
them.
I.
S
Think
I
can
talk
to
all
three
of
them.
So
in
terms
of
the
social
media
aspect,
guidebooks
I
think
it's
really
important
to
know
that
we
don't
necessarily
always
control
the
narrative
of
how
folks
experience
or
land
it
so
yeah
I,
just
kind
of
lumped
it
under
the
mapping
practices.
So
similarly,
there
are
certain
trails
that
are
supposed
to
be
designated
that
are
currently
undesignated,
but
our
specifically
said
to
not
be
included
in
maps,
so
I
think
that's
something
we
could
talk
about
as
well:
I'm
just
and
I
just
general.
S
How
are
we
communicating
outwardly
where
we
want
folks
to
go
and
knowing
that
we
don't
always
control
that
narrative,
that
there
are
six
point
three
million
people
telling
every
all
their
friends
where
to
go
so
that
we
have
thought
about
that
and
are
actively
looking
to
address
that
in
terms
of
utilizing
visitors
and
volunteers.
For
emergent
trails,
we
are
starting
those
conversations,
but
we
have
not
gotten
anywhere
fruitful.
Quite
yet,
it
was
a
little
bit
on
the
priority
list
in
terms
of
just
assessing
out
some
of
these
other
big
pieces.
S
But
we
are
thinking
about
it
and
then
the
final
piece
you
mentioned
was
the
education
outreach.
I,
do
wanna
point
out
that
our
education
outreach
folks
are
contributing
quite
a
bit
to
the
education
of
our
visitors
and
helping
keep
them
informed.
But
I
would
like
to
see
at
some
point
maybe
some
targeted
or
focused
education
efforts
may
be
doing
some
more
outreach
to
areas
like
Gunbarrel
Hill
or
like
some
of
these
other,
when
we're
doing
other
work
in
the
area
really
making
sure
that
folks
know
kind
of
the.
S
K
O
You
know
care,
there's
one
interesting
thing:
I
didn't
know
about
on
page
17,
this
Strava
I,
don't
know
how
you
pronounce
it,
but
this
tracks,
not
all
users
but
a
subset
of
our
users
that
are
using
this
for
their
own
purposes.
But
if
we
start
seeing
lines
showing
up
where
we
didn't
think
there
are
any
trails.
That
is
one
way
to
tell
you
there's
a
new
trail
forming.
Is
that
at
all
something
that
can
be
done,
or
am
I
exaggerating,
the
utility
of
this
thing,
yeah.
R
If
you
look
in
the
report,
I
don't
know
the
exact
page,
but
I
did
look
into
Strava
and
comparing
that
data
to
some
of
the
condition
class
data-
and
there
is
some
amount
of
some
pattern
in
those
you
know,
as
Strava
use
gets
higher
the
liens
get
a
little
thicker
and
that
does
horse
run
pretty
well
to
the
condition
classification
rating.
So
there
you
can
see
the
patterns
of
use
and
impact
the
trouble
that
we've
had
strong
as
there's
I.
Don't
there's
no
background
data
to
it.
What
does
a
thicker
line
actually
mean?
O
R
A
To
make
a
point
about
the
problem
of
butter,
so
I'll
call
them
parallel
trails,
but
it's
especially
a
problem
in
the
eastern
part
of
the
system.
We
probably
know
a
mean,
but
where
there's
often
a
wider
trail
and
then
3
feet,
6
feet,
8
feet
off
to
the
side,
there's
a
second
trail
and
it's
a
thorny
problem.
In
some
ways.
A
There's
still
that
parallel
trail
and
I
think
we
have
to
gradually
start
pushing
back
against
that
culture,
where
there's
just
an
expectation
that
I
shouldn't
have
to
share
this
trail
for
whatever
reason,
I'm
running
or
I'm,
going
faster
or
slower,
I,
don't
like
dog.
Whatever.
The
reason
is
that
it's
gonna
take
a
long
time.
A
It's
not
an
overnight
thing,
but
I
suspect
some
signage
will
start
to
create
that
realization
that,
even
if
you
put
just
a
very
small,
simple
sign
at
the
start
of
a
parallel
trail,
that
just
says
please
stay
on
the
main
trail
or
something
like
that.
I
think
you'll
be
interesting
to
see.
Steve
Armstead
tells
me
that
this
is
not
gonna
work
and
he
may
be
right
that
people
just
go
around
and
pick
up
the
parallel
ten
feet
further
down.
A
But
I
think
we
do
need
to
at
least
start
tackling
some
of
the
sociology
here
of
saying.
You
know
this
actually
is
discouraged
because
I
think
right
now,
people
if
you
ask
them.
Why
are
you
on
that?
Little
parallel
trail
I
think
a
lot
of
them
would
say
it
would
never
have
occurred
to
me
that
I
wasn't
supposed
to
be
here.
There's
nothing,
no
one!
A
There
was
no
indication
that
this
wasn't
totally
fine
and
I
think
it's
probably
on
us,
with
some
fairly
small
low-key,
but
nonetheless
clear
messaging
to
start
sending
the
message
that
no,
actually
we
do
want
you
to
be
on
the
main
trail,
and
we
don't
think
that
throughout
the
system
there
ought
to
be
a
parallel
trail
for
people
who
you
know
kind
of
want
that
experience
actually
observed.
There
are
some
places
like
if
you
just
go
at
the
main
should
talk
with
meadow
trail
up
to
the
one
to
where
we
have
put
up
some
signs.
A
I
think
there's
actually
some
pretty
decent
compliance.
Where
there
are
those
signs,
I
think
it
does.
You
know
it
has
some
effect
at
a
relatively
low
cost,
both
in
terms
of
money
and
those
sort
of
standard
brown
signs.
Do
we
have
a
little
signage
on
the
very
top
of
the
post
they're,
not
that
obtrusive
they're,
not
you
know,
they're,
not
a
big
kiosk.
A
S
Thank
you
for
that
comment.
I'd
also
like
to
point
out
that,
with
the
Chicago
trail,
there
was
a
redesign
so
like
bringing
in
sustainable
trail.
I
meant
looking
at
all
the
different
factors
on
why
that
behavior
is
happening.
It's
really
important,
so
making
sure
that
we
have
sustainable
trails
for
folks
to
walk
on
that
are,
as
least
muddy
as
we
can
make
them
in
certain
areas,
especially
out
in
the
east.
Making
sure
education
is
up
there.
S
S
A
No
so
matters
from
the
board
upcoming
public
participation.
Events
I
think
we
have
two
that
we
may
want
to
notice.
One
is
the
tall
oak
grass
open
house
on
December
5th,
from
5:30
to
7:00,
at
Southern,
Hills,
middle
school
library,
ok
and
the
other
is
the
gun
barrel,
Hill
ISP
meeting
on
December
9th
6
to
8
at
the
hub,
all
right
so
with
a
nod.
We
will
notice
those
two
meetings
as
meetings
of
the
open
space
board,
then
that
takes
us
to
the
email
from
Council
in
advance
of
their
retreat
and
setting
priorities.
A
H
Put
out
an
email
late
today,
so
at
the
yeah
at
the
December
meeting
every
year
console
asks
what
you
think
are
the
city's
2020.
In
this
case,
priorities
should
be
that
the
council
ought
to
be
really
paying
attention
to,
and
so
it's
just
that
annual
exercise
that
provides
chance
for
boards
and
commissions
to
provide
counsel
with
feedback
on
what
we
think
ought
to
be
priorities,
and
so
it's
due.
We
need
to
get
that
information,
then
after
the
December
OS
BT
meeting.
H
A
A
A
A
How
do
your
suggestions
connect
back
to
the
work
of
your
specific
board
or
commission
hands
on
what
the
priorities
are
and
then
three
are
there
additional
boards
or
commissions
that
should
weigh
in
on
those
issues?
So
the
way
the
questions
have
varied
from
year
to
year
somewhat,
but
the
way
we've
tackled?
A
So
we
really
do
need
to
wrap
it
up
at
the
December
meeting.
We
can't
go
to
that
meeting.
Was
you
know
a
further
action
item?
You
got
to
wrap
it
up
so
ask
to
people
to
draft
something
on
open
space
issues
that
hopefully
we
can
make
as
a
joint
statement
of
the
board
with
respect
to
non
open
space
issues.
I
know
I
mean
literally,
that
is
part
of
the
charge
from
counsel,
but
my
my
sense
is
from
the
past
and
hear
to
that.
A
It
would
be
awfully
time-consuming
for
this
board
to
try
to
craft
a
common
statement
on
housing,
transportation,
energy,
climate
budget,
what-have-you
and
the
better
thing
to
do
is
to
take
up
councils
alternative
suggestion,
which
is,
if
any
member
of
this
board
wishes
to
make
a
statement
to
Council
on
how
they
see
priorities
outside
of
the
open
space
area.
Just
email
counsel,
with
your
your
thoughts
on
that
and
not
obviously,
if
someone
else
on
the
board,
you
want
to
get
together
with
that
person,
it's
totally
fine
to
make
it
a
two
person
statement.
A
O
There
we
go
so
I
support
that
so,
just
to
give
an
example,
what
we
would
be
doing
is
giving
council
a
heads
up
on
things
we're
going
to
bring
to
them
that
are
really
important.
Like
prairie,
dog
management
or
irrigated
lands,
we
would
say
South,
Floyd
control
and
Cu
South
annexation
is
going
to
in
Riyadh
an
important
issue
for
us.
K
L
K
O
H
H
Each
will
have
a
representative,
maybe
two
representatives
from
Council
and
their
charges
is
to
make
sure
they
go
through
your
feedback
and
as
well
as
what
is
also
being
requested
at
the
staff
level,
is
which
we
get
requested
every
year,
as
well
as
what
is
our
2020
work
plan
and
they
don't
want
all
265
discrete
projects
we
have
going
on.
But
what
are
those
five
to
seven
type
of
big
projects?
That
probably
will
overlap
somewhat
with
yours?
But
this
is
what
I
think
with
this.
H
You
can
go
a
little
bit
further
than
maybe
what
you're
charged
with
doing
and
that
one
or
two
replicate
our
staff
major
work
plan
items
between
those
two
they'll
bring
those
forward
out
the
retreat
that
council
is
going
to
be
having
in
mid-december
mid-january
and
provide
a
little
PowerPoint.
So
each
board
or
Commission
will
get
a
short
report
back
from
their
council
rep
and
from
that
council
will
end
up
establishing
their
their
their
top
priorities
for
the
next
two
years.
So
that's
sort
of
their
process
and.
L
H
We're
not
expected
to
be
just
because
the
template
that
we
are
following
it
probably
allows
us
to
add
some
more
items
like
developing
a
master
plan.
Implementation
framework
is
obviously
a
huge
department
work
plan
item.
It's
not
going
to
rise,
probably
to
a
council
priority,
but
that's
probably
something
that
will
show
up
on
our
list
of
top
work
plan
items
that
may
not
show
up
on
yours
as
a
city
priority,
but
I
would
expect
that
your
priorities
will
end
up
on
our
list
fast
way.
So.